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Title: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 - 12/01/12
Post by: MuffyBee on July 23, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 23, 2012, 03:20:33 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
Thanks Muffy!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
This happened in Curacao.

I knew this didn't sound right when I read the translated headline in Amigoe!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/curacao?start=5

Google translation:

Twin Girls (6) in hotel bathtub drowning
MONDAY, JULY 23, 2012 10:19
WILLEMSTAD - in a bathtub of a room at the Marriott Hotel last night the lifeless bodies of twins found. The girls showed no signs of life. Their mother was short ...
Read more ...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/23/curacao-police-probe-bathtub-deaths-twin-girls-mother-undergoes-psychiatric/

Curacao police probe bathtub deaths of twin girls, mother undergoes mental evaluation

Published July 23, 2012
Associated Press

WILLEMSTAD, Curacao –  Authorities on the Caribbean island of Curacao are investigating the deaths of 6-year-old twin girls found in a bathtub at a beach resort.

Prosecutor Ludmila Vicento says the dead girls' Belgian mother is being evaluated at a psychiatric hospital. The 35-year-old woman has not been charged with anything. Authorities on the Dutch island are only identifying the mother by her initials, S.V.

Vicento says staff at the Curacao Marriott Beach Resort saw the woman walk naked into the sea late Sunday. They brought her back to shore and called authorities.

Police soon found the lifeless girls in her room's tub. They have not released more details citing an ongoing probe. Autopsies are pending.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/Belgian+woman+held+Curacao+hospital+police+probe+bathtub+deaths/6977026/story.html

Belgian woman held in Curacao hospital as police probe bathtub deaths of her 6-year-old twins
 
 
BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS JULY 23, 2012 5:50 PM

 ::snipping2::

Vicento said witnesses at the Curacao Marriott Beach Resort & Emerald Casino saw the woman walk naked into the sea Sunday night. They brought her back to shore and called authorities.

Police soon found the lifeless girls in her room's tub. They have not released more details citing an ongoing probe. Autopsies on the children are pending.

The girls' grandmother was staying in a separate room from the woman and her twin daughters, according to Vicento. The children's father did not accompany them on their trip to Curacao, she added.

A spokeswoman for Marriott International said the company will do all it can to assist Curacao police in their investigation at the 237-room hotel.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and loved ones of the girls," Marriott spokeswoman Laura Botelho said in an email.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13217.msg1535224#msg1535224
   
Re: Brittney Wood 19 yo, Tillmans Corner AL, last seen 05/31/2012
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2012, 06:42:21 PM »

Quote
Brittney Wood family wants investigation
Family wants a criminal investigation

Updated: Monday, 23 Jul 2012, 5:47 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 23 Jul 2012, 3:01 PM CDT

 ::snipping2::

Wood's mother believes upgrading her daughters case to a criminal investigation would bring more resources to the investigation. And hopefully, bring her daughter home

"She only had me one grand baby, and I'm hoping that baby could at least be able to visit her mama. My worst nightmare is to be Natalee Holloway's parents never to bring their child back," said Wood.

more at link:
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/brittney-wood-family-wants-investigation


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 24, 2012, 01:33:16 PM
Today, the Dutch sources are reporting information from the article in RadarOnline.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/joran-van-der-sloot-not-getting-married-lawyer-exclusive

Posted on Jul 20, 2012 @ 12:30PM   
No Wedding Bells For Joran! Reports Of Van Der Sloot's Marriage 'Are A Joke,' Says His Lawyer

 ::snipping2::
His lawyer from Lima, Peru went on to explain that at the Piedras Gordas prison where the 24-year-old is currently held hosts mass marriage ceremonies for inmates, and one of the people who organizes them made up the story that van der Sloot was one of the grooms-to-be.

PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot In Custody

"I don’t know what the purpose was but I assume they were trying to get the attention of the correctional department and the media to get a better ceremony," Cotrina told Radar.

While he wouldn't describe him as a "celebrity," the lawyer said the Dutchman is always the center of attention at the high security prison. "Everyone tries to be around Joran and get pictures with him and interviews."

PHOTOS: Stars Who Died In Bizarre Ways

It was reported that the charismatic convict had women come visit him at his former and more lenient prison, Castro Castro (although his lawyer at the time denied that he got one of them pregnant in June 2011), but conjugal visits are not allowed in his new home.

"He is allowed relatives to visit but no girlfriends," explained Cotrina, and for married inmates: "Wives are permitted but not for conjugal visits or overnight stays.

EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot's Bloody Clothing

"Most people in Peru have kids and they want to formalize the visitation rights so they get married," he added.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 24, 2012, 01:38:42 PM
They are also reporting information that is found in the National Enquirer.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/inside-jorans-hell-hole-hacienda

INSIDE JORAN’s HELL HOLE HACIENDA
Published on: July 23, 2012

 ::snipping2::
"At the beginning, he found it hard as he was in solitary confinement for the first five days – there was no heat, no water, no bathroom; you get crazy down there as the conditions are hell," explained Cotrina. "Now he is in the general population and he has more friends and he is settling in."

In fact, the 24-year-old Dutchman is often the center of attention: "He is very popular there because he teaches English to the inmates, and he is very charismatic. He has a very good behavior record. He tries to help the other inmates because he has a superior education."

While Joran tries to settle into the place that could be his permanent residence for almost three decades, his attorney is campaigning on his behalf.

"The sentence of 28 years was excessive because according to the Peruvian penal law, Joran was only meant to get 15 to 17 years, so I am appealing to the supreme court to make a complaint to the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights," he explained.

"We are hoping to get it reduced by 10 years," said Cotrino, who also preparing a $50 million lawsuit on van der Sloot's behalf protesting the "excessive sentence."
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 24, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/comunicado-oficial-di-polis-di-curacao-di-e-suseco-na-marriot-hotel/

Papiamentu translation:

comunicado oficial of police of curacao of the suseco at marriot hotel

written by bulletin on july 23, 2012.

posted in local news

official polisial: tópiko: two younger of age meet in badkuip in bedroom of hotel with do not give sign of life sunday 22 of july 2012, alrededor of 20.20’or, owing to enter the information nasentral of police with at one hotel situá at john f. kennedy boulevard the personal owing to bintopa in one of the kambernan with two younger of age drumí in one ‘badkuip’ and with do not give sign of life. the patrol with go at the sitio owing to come across with the two children in one ‘badkuip’ in one of the kambernan of hotel and they not was give siñal of life. for of one investigation preliminar with police owing to make at the sitio owing to resultá with hour the personal of the hotel owing to konstatáku water was leave for of bedroom of the hotel they owing to open the door and hañ’é the children in the ‘badkuip’. also they owing to declare at police with the mother with is kedando in the bedroom with the children will have to owing to leave go for a while ayá for of the hotel in one auto. more late is enter information at central of police with at the sea at piscadera have one lady is bark in water. police with owing to go at the sitio owing to come come across with the lady in sea and with aid of some person on “seadoo” owing to succeed sake for of in water. the lady is kuadra with the account of esun with was hospedá in the hotel upstairs mention. with ambulance owing to transport the lady s.m.p.v. nasé at bèlgika of 35 year of age for poli of st. elisabeth hospital waystreet after of tratamentu the la stay interná in clinic capriles for tratamentu. doctor of police for 21.30 ‘or owing to ascertain dead of the two muchanan; owing to.a.c.n.m. and owing to.a.c.n.m., ámbos girl arise at bèlgika and ámbos of 6 year of age. on òrdu of fiskal of ministerio public owing to confiscate the body without life of the victim for more investigation. reshèrshi is follow with the investigation.

http://www.boletinextra.com/e-mama-a-a-sali-algun-dia-pasa-di-un-afkickcentrum-esaki-te-mama/

Papiamentu translation:

apparently the mother owing to leave of one afkickcentrum y have ok for trip cu his yiunan

written by bulletin on july 22, 2012. posted in local

rumornan is tell cu the mother was comprta his self bad by some day end at the hotel y was maltrata the children. owing to come leave at cla cu the mother have problem mental y posiblemente some day happen owing to leave for of one centrum at belgica. dokternan owing to achieve cu el’a progresa y cu the can bay vakantie cu his yiunan. the achieve the lady here in lama y hour of entrege at police el’a tell cu the is family of the children. do not the owing to matanan, but his mother owing to matanan. this is photograph of the mother.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 24, 2012, 08:05:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/120643-twin-girls-6-years-drown-in-hotel-bathtub

Twin girls (6 years) drown in hotel bathtub         

MONDAY, 23 JULY 2012 11:42

WILLEMSTAD — Twin girls were found dead in a bathtub of a room in the Marriott Hotel last night. The girls gave no sign of life. Shortly afterwards two people on a Seadoo had carried their confused and naked mother ashore. The woman was admitted to the Klínika Capriles with a psychiatric certification.The 35-year old Belgium woman S.M.P.V. was on holidays on Curaçao since last week with her daughters, both with the initials A.A.C.N.M., and her mother. The authorities have meanwhile informed the father in Belgium. The consul of Belgium on Curaçao, Ivan Moreno, received instructions from the Belgium embassy in Caracas not to make any statements to the media. The embassy, closed until July 25th, was not available for comment. Press officer Gisele Veen-Jonkhout confirmed that the bodies of the girls were confiscated by order of the Public Prosecutor. The autopsy will be performed later this week.

The grandmother is to stay on the island for the time being, due to interrogation by the police. No information is being given on the psychological situation of the mother and the situation of the family; the psychiatrists are to speak with the woman.

Hotel personnel had alarmed the policy around eight last night after noticing that water was coming from under the door of the hotel room. When opening the door to check the situation, they found the dead bodies of the children in the bathtub. The personnel members also stated they had seen the mother leave the hotel in a car shortly before and shortly afterwards the police received a call of a woman at sea further on at Piscadera, crying loudly. It appeared to be the mother of the twins. The woman supposedly cried out that her mother was responsible for the death of her children. An ambulance had first taken the woman to the outpatients’ clinic and subsequently to Klínika Capriles.

Blackberry

A picture, taken in the bathroom of the hotel room with the two deceased twins, was circulated via Blackberry last night. The Public Prosecutor is informed of this. Whether the sender is guilty of penal acts will be included in the investigation. After the storm of criticism, the picture was deleted via the link in question. The social media hadn’t announced who had circulated the picture. Apparently the written press wisely hadn’t published the picture, although pictures of the mother – clothed in a towel – were published or images broadcasted.

Family drama

The suspected family drama is the second with six months. Last January, the police found the bodies of a father, mother and 15-year old son in an apartment building at Dominguito. The father and son were dead while the mother had a pulse beat. Medicines among other things were found in the room. The family from France had been coping with financial problems and apparently saw no other way out than commit suicide. Later on in the hospital the woman was arrested on suspicion of murdering her underage son. She committed suicide later on, while in prison.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2012, 06:20:03 PM
The Persistence Betrayal

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
 I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568246;topicseen#msg568246



Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kyle Kingman:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net. If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268161;topicseen#msg1268161

Kermit - Scared Monkeys Forum

s.t.

Edited to add links per Tamikosmom.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2012, 06:26:20 PM
The Persistence Betrayal

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM
»

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
Janet - do you have a link for this? 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1535455#msg1535455


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
Janet - do you have a link for this?  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1535455#msg1535455



Respectively:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568246;topicseen#msg568246

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268161;topicseen#msg1268161

s.t.

Thank you.  I've added them to your original post.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
NOW!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
Janet - do you have a link for this?  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1535455#msg1535455


Respectively:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568246;topicseen#msg568246

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268161;topicseen#msg1268161

s.t.

Thank you.  I've added them to your original post.  MB

Thanks you Muffy.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 27, 2012, 12:53:57 AM
hmmm...His face looks red and bloated in the picture--wonder why?  ::MonkeyWink::

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=21499

Super party at MooMba with Honeypot and DJ Diablo
Posted by Aruba Daily on July 26th, 2012

A super party at MooMba Beach is not complete without the rousing music of house DJ Diablo, but last Sunday there was a special guest DJ that livened up the place even more. Just 15 years old, blessed with loads of talent, DJ Denver Parera had the chance to rock the house really good. The DJ was really enthusiastic about getting the opportunity to play at MooMba Beach, which ranks among the best 50 beach bars in the world.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 27, 2012, 02:23:04 AM
Sorry if its already been posted. It just may be stuff that Perez is regurgitating.

Murderer Joran Van Der Sloot Having A Ball In His Peruvian Prison

http://perezhilton.com/2012-07-23-joran-van-der-sloot-happy-in-jail-natalee-holloway-stephany-ramirez?utm_campaign=aprtest&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=outbrain


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: nonesuche on July 29, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
Only Joran could find a way to "have a ball" in prison - more proof positive how evil he truly is. I do just love how he is whining about his psychological issues now too, while Anita enjoys her island life with no repercussions for being one wicked example of those who should never be allowed to have children much less teach!!!

Still praying he gets extradited to the US where he has to truly face the music !! ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 29, 2012, 04:33:42 PM
Hi Nonesuche!  Good to see you!

 ::justice2NJ:: ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2012, 06:17:47 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

https://www.facebook.com/events/443369935686306/

One Year and Remembering
Public Event · By Lianne DeLawter

Wednesday, August 1, 2012
7:30pm in EDT

In tribute to Robyn Colson Gardner missing in Aruba since August 2, 2011, friends and family will be honoring Robyn's zest for life in a service "One Year and Remembering" August 1, 2012 7:30 p.m. at the Griffin Art Gallery 437 North Market Street Frederick, MD 21701. Light refreshments will follow. If you are unable to attend or would like to do something in Robyn's memory we are requesting that donations be made "In the legacy of Robyn Colson Gardner" to The Heartly House Inc. P.O. Box 857 Frederick, MD 21705. Heartly House Inc. is committed to the effort of achieving a society free of violence by providing public education,working for the equality and empowerment of all, and developing and maintaining comprehensive services to survivors of family violence, rape, sexual assault and child abuse.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
http://www.heartlyhouse.org/

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=138738#.UBTo1WFfFgg

Gardner family breaks silence
A year later, siblings holding tribute to their missing sister

Published on July 29, 2012

By Danielle E. Gaines
News-Post Staff

(http://www.fredericknewspost.com/photos/12/07/29/138738.jpg)
Photo by Graham Cullen
Danielle Colson-Unglesbee, the sister of Robyn Gardner.

The siblings of Robyn Gardner, the 35-year-old Frederick woman who went missing in Aruba last August, say they have faith that their sister is alive and they are speaking publicly for the first time in a bid to renew coverage of Gardner's disappearance.

"We want to keep the story alive, just in case there's somebody out there who knows some information, anything," said her sister, Danielle Colson-Unglesbee.

Andrew Colson, who signs updates to a Facebook awareness group as Gardner's "little 'big' brother," said they are also speaking now to focus attention on Robyn's personality.

"Although she's disappeared, her legacy lives on. Seeing how many lives she's touched, we want to continue to show off our sister to everyone," Colson said. "She's very fun-loving, outgoing, social and very caring at the same time."

The family shied away from media a year ago when Gardner's case was the subject of stories in newspapers, including tabloids such as the National Enquirer, and on television around the world.

"It has been really devastating. Very hard," Colson-Unglesbee said. "To constantly be contacted by the media, to have people show up on your doorstep, have phone calls all day long.

"I stopped the TV. I did not have TV for nine months, because I couldn't stand seeing stuff," she continued. "I distanced myself from all kinds of media because I was going through the grieving process and I just couldn't do that."

All the attention added to family's grief and growing questions about Gardner's disappearance, they said.

Colson-Unglesbee didn't know her sister had gone on a trip until Aug. 4, two days after Gardner, who often traveled to destinations around the world, vanished.

"It was pretty common of her just to go on vacations somewhere without us knowing. We would usually hear about it after the fact," Colson said.

Such spontaneity is a cornerstone of Gardner's personality, Colson-Unglesbee said.

"She always, on the spur of the moment, going away somewhere. She was well-traveled. She loved traveling," she said.

 ::snipping2::

Gardner's siblings said they were unable to answer many questions about ongoing litigation or investigations but set up two interviews recently to encourage anyone with information about the case to step forward.

"We just need some type of closure on this," Colson-Unglesbee said. "Any type of information, we'll take it."

Both siblings say they also want to go to Aruba.

"I just want to go down there to see what the terrain is like, where the restaurant was, where the hotel was, where Baby Beach was and just try to get a sense of everything," Colson-Unglesbee said. "I have a lot of unanswered questions. I wish that I could go down there to ask people certain specific questions about logistics and stuff like that. That would make me feel a little bit better if I knew."

Colson, 22, said he wants to see if he can connect with his older sister.

"Since Robyn and I are brother and sister, maybe there's some sort of telepathic connection that could lead to any clues to where she is," he said. "I also want to go so I can see and feel some of the places that Robyn was last seen."

Phone calls and an email seeking information about the case to police and prosecutors in Aruba on Friday and Saturday were not immediately returned. People who answered the phones at various government offices said they were not authorized to speak about the case.

For now, the family cherishes the memories of Gardner, particularly those from their last trip as a family.

In May 2011, the family converged on Disney World to celebrate Colson's graduation from Florida Institute of Technology.

On Friday night, the siblings leafed through a bound picture book with snapshots of that last trip.

"You can tell how perky and how happy she is," Colson-Unglesbee said, pointing out one photo.

"She always had a smile on her face," her brother added.

Despite the sadness they feel now, the trip is a bright spot for the family, they said.

"Me and my sister were able to really bond there," Colson-Unglesbee said. "I think we spent two hours at the pool just sitting and chatting about life, and it was just wonderful."

"It's almost like it was meant to be," Colson added.

On Monday, the family will join with Gardner's friends and other relatives at a vigil in Frederick. On Tuesday, they will spend a quiet day together, praying for Gardner's return.

"We believe in the power of prayer," Colson-Unglesbee said.

"I believe she's alive," Colson said. "I still feel her presence, whether it's talking to her friends or random strangers or in my dreams. I can just feel her presence in almost everything I do."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2012, 10:05:54 PM
Looks like a death at LaCabana, very little other than they were found in a pool of blood.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50757:persona-haya-den-plas-di-sanger-sin-bida-na-la-cabana-&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8

Papiamentu translation:

person achieve in plas of blood without life at la cabana

sunday, 29 july 2012 01:23

diadomingo owing to open cu one caso earnest in la cabana. algo happen of 12:30 of marduga owing to meld cu owing to achieve one person in camber throw in plas of blood. two another person owing to try of reanima the victima but all attempt was envano. police y ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia but some after of they arrival the situation owing to ask for doctor self arrive at the sitio also because the person not was reacciona more. police is investigando what owing to happen exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Looks like a death at LaCabana, very little other than they were found in a pool of blood.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50757:persona-haya-den-plas-di-sanger-sin-bida-na-la-cabana-&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8

Papiamentu translation:

person achieve in plas of blood without life at la cabana

sunday, 29 july 2012 01:23

diadomingo owing to open cu one caso earnest in la cabana. algo happen of 12:30 of marduga owing to meld cu owing to achieve one person in camber throw in plas of blood. two another person owing to try of reanima the victima but all attempt was envano. police y ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia but some after of they arrival the situation owing to ask for doctor self arrive at the sitio also because the person not was reacciona more. police is investigando what owing to happen exactly.

I'm not sure what they're saying happened...(did she trip and fall?) but they have ruled the death of "natural" causes.  She was an American tourist.

http://www.awe24.com/20120729/11372/Polis_y_ambulans_a_bay_na_La_Cabana_hotel_unda_un_turista_a_trompeca_cay_y

Papiamentu translation:

police y ambulance owing to bay at la cabana hotel where one tourist owing to trompeca cay y fayece

20 hora happen come across, 29 of july 2012 01:21

seccion: incidente diadomingo madruga owing to enter informe of cu one tourist will owing to cay y not was give sign of life at la cabana, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu they owing to achieve one tourist throw on vloer, y according the guardia the victima will do not give sign of life. the guardia is tell police cu the famianan owing to haye throw on vlur y the was sangrando. ambulance y doctor owing to come at the sitio y dr.lin owing to constata dead natural of the tourist. lucille ann torre naci at estados unidos 24/12/1933 kedando for the time being at la cabana.


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Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2012, 01:15:50 AM
THE INTERVIEW

Peter Devries and Beth Holloway in Alabama

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet. There is more to come … there is more to come.'

Beth Holloway - October, 2010


The Extortion - The Face to Face - In Beth Holloway's Own Words

1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85iPwvW7izo

2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk91KY2OEV8

3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3RyjM_HBM

4/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7UwT6tVkFU

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2012, 11:33:29 AM


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MonkeyJusticeTrain31.jpg)

www.cafepress.com/justicetrain



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Post by: Serenity on July 30, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Whooohooo

Got my order in,thanks for posting the site !!!!!!
Can't wait to receive everything

kathy


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
Looks like a death at LaCabana, very little other than they were found in a pool of blood.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50757:persona-haya-den-plas-di-sanger-sin-bida-na-la-cabana-&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8

Papiamentu translation:

person achieve in plas of blood without life at la cabana

sunday, 29 july 2012 01:23

diadomingo owing to open cu one caso earnest in la cabana. algo happen of 12:30 of marduga owing to meld cu owing to achieve one person in camber throw in plas of blood. two another person owing to try of reanima the victima but all attempt was envano. police y ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia but some after of they arrival the situation owing to ask for doctor self arrive at the sitio also because the person not was reacciona more. police is investigando what owing to happen exactly.

I'm not sure what they're saying happened...(did she trip and fall?) but they have ruled the death of "natural" causes.  She was an American tourist.

http://www.awe24.com/20120729/11372/Polis_y_ambulans_a_bay_na_La_Cabana_hotel_unda_un_turista_a_trompeca_cay_y

Papiamentu translation:

police y ambulance owing to bay at la cabana hotel where one tourist owing to trompeca cay y fayece

20 hora happen come across, 29 of july 2012 01:21

seccion: incidente diadomingo madruga owing to enter informe of cu one tourist will owing to cay y not was give sign of life at la cabana, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu they owing to achieve one tourist throw on vloer, y according the guardia the victima will do not give sign of life. the guardia is tell police cu the famianan owing to haye throw on vlur y the was sangrando. ambulance y doctor owing to come at the sitio y dr.lin owing to constata dead natural of the tourist. lucille ann torre naci at estados unidos 24/12/1933 kedando for the time being at la cabana.

http://www.arubaherald.com/911/3038-person-found-lifeless-in-room-at-la-cabana.html

Person found lifeless in room at La Cabana         
Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:02
 
 
Sunday, just after 12:30 a.m. a person was found in a puddle of blood in a room at La Cabana. Two people tried resuscitating the person to no avail. Police and ambulance arrived on the scene and as the person was not reacting, they called the doctor on call to confirm the passing of the person. An investigation is underway.


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Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2012, 02:32:55 AM
Good grief, this rang so many bells! 

Prosecutor screws up, cover up then ship him back to the Netherlands before anyone knows what happened.

Timely, and lengthy vacations...

Pass the buck...so that no one in authority ever has to answer for anything!!!!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.smn-news.com/st-maarten-st-martin-news/9734-prosecutor-accused-of-sleeping-with-prisoners-girlfriend-girlfriend-works-at-law-firm.html

Prosecutor Accused of Sleeping with Prisoner’s Girlfriend --- Girlfriend works at Law Firm.

WEDNESDAY, 27 JUNE 2012 21:17   

Pointe Blanche:--- A prisoner at the Pointe Blanche Prison filed a complaint against one of the Public Prosecutor's on St. Maarten for having an affair with his girlfriend while he is incarcerated. According to reliable information reaching SMN News, the prisoner even accused the Public Prosecutor of impregnating his girlfriend. SMN News learnt that the prisoner's girlfriend is working at a well known law firm on St. Maarten.

Sources said the Attorney General (Openbaar Ministerie) is doing their best to cover up the allegations and complaint filed against the Public Prosecutor since his term on St. Maarten is almost over and he is already in the Netherlands. Efforts made to reach Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos for a comment on the allegations proved futile since he could not be reached by telephone. SMN News learnt that Mos is on vacation for at least one month. SMN News also contacted the Attorney General of St. Maarten Taco Stein for a comment. Stein said the incident happened before he arrived on the island and that the only person that has information on the investigation is the Chief Prosecutor of St. Maarten Hans Mos who is currently off island. Mos is expected to be back on St. Maarten on July 16th 2012.

In an invited comment, Minister of Justice Roland Duncan confirmed that a complaint was filed by a convict against one of the Public Prosecutors. Minister Duncan said that he heard of the complaint and the same allegations that were being made. "I heard the same things that you heard but I cannot say if the woman is pregnant and if she is pregnant for the prosecutor because I am not a doctor and for this to be determined DNA tests would have to be conducted."

The Minister of Justice also said he is dealing with the matter but he did not say how he intends to do so. Based on Stein's comment, it appears as though the allegations and complaint were filed almost three months ago and somehow it was swept under the proverbial carpet. It should be noted that SMN News tried to obtain the name of the accused prosecutor, the convict, and the girlfriend but we were not able to obtain that information.


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Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2012, 09:26:10 AM
So we have HAN'S MAS and TACO STEIN involved in this crap?  What doesn't that surprise me?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/08142009_StMaarten_TacoStein_HansMo.jpg)


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Post by: jamcakes on August 03, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
IT must be in the gene pool down there.  Geesh!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Gary-Giordano-Indecency-Case-Dropped-164898266.html

Gary Giordano Indecency Case Dropped

Friday, Aug 3, 2012  |  Updated 12:42 PM EDT


A lawyer for a man suspected in the presumed death of his traveling companion in Aruba says prosecutors in Maryland are dropping an unrelated indecent exposure charge.

A lawyer for Gary Giordano told The Associated Press that a prosecutor informed him of the decision Friday.

Giordano was arrested in May after Annapolis police say he and a woman were found naked in a parked car. Giordano was charged with indecent exposure and the case was set for trial next week.

Attorney Steven Kupferberg asked for the case to be dismissed, saying no crime had been committed.

State law makes it illegal to be naked willfully or intentionally in public. Kupferberg says that wasn't the case here.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2012, 07:20:54 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120803/11436/Persona_cu_a_bay_snorkel_na_Barcadera_a_ser_encontra_sin_bida (http://www.awe24.com/20120803/11436/Persona_cu_a_bay_snorkel_na_Barcadera_a_ser_encontra_sin_bida)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11436/1_1344027701.jpg)

come across 3 hora happen come across, 3 of august 2012 15:46 seccion:

 incidente diabierna nightfall owing to enter informe of one person will owing to hoga at barcadera, at once owing to dirigi police y ambulance at the sitio. at arrival owing to come compronde cu here is deal of the ciudadano of surname d. cu owing to bay snorkel but at one dado instant owing to being encontra without life in the lama. doctor lin owing to present at the sitio y owing to constata dead. relato policial: diabierna nightfall for more or less 2'or y 50 central of police is achieve one call cu some trahador, in the area of barcadera owing to come achieve one man is drief in water. at once central is send patrouille of santa cruz y police maritimo at the sitio cu is come encontra a man flotando y do not give sign of life. they're transporte cu boat for platform of barcadera where cu dr lin is constata dead door of hogamento di: edmund olivio dañe nasi at aruba day 16 of july 1947 live at sombre 17. recherche come across, tod y another autoridadnan competente is bay at the sitio for investigacion, but not owing to achieve none indicacion of one crimen already cu is look like cu the victima was bezig is snorkel y will owing to hoga. fiscal not owing to achieve is necesario for take curpa in beslag. slachtofferhulp of police is bezig is dunando sosten at the famianan in the momentonan dificil here. of part of cuerpo policial y also of awe24.com we is extende words of condolencia at family of the fayecido.


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Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
http://www.masnoticia.com/index.php/policial/5888-polis-y-ambulance-basta-ocupa-cu-tres-persona-mes-un-rato-cu-kier-a-pone-fin-na-su-bida

Papiamentu translation:

police y ambulance enough ocupa cu three person self one rato cu wanted owing to place end at his life

published on tuesday, 31 july 2012 22:42

tuesday in oranan of night tanto police, y ambulance was hand cu cu several melding of personanan cu wanted comete suicidio tanto at, button, santa lucia y also at ponton. east at santa cruz the person cu wanted owing to comete suicido at his self is the young cu tuesday afternoon owing to intenta of throw his curpa at (Boca Mahos) mouth ugly but ambulance owing to hibe hospital for wordo deal but is dilamenta cu personalnan of hospital not owing to regel cu one psikiatrico for evalua the situation of the young y owing to mande cas. in oranan of night owing to go back hacie y together cu police y ambulance owing to go back present at eerste hulp where cu here if owing to place in paaz. at button is deal of one madam of edad cu also wanted owing to place end but here ambulance y police owing to present at the cas y owing to take away the madam hospital. algo happen of 9 or of night in cayanan of ponton one man good baby cu alcoholnan mescla owing to drink enough pill but here famianan owing to succeed pare at hour. all three person cu wanted owing to comete suicidio owing to arrive hospital for atencion medico y also cu one psikiatria.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
Klaas, have you seen this one?

http://www.masnoticia.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
Would anyone ever even know if a body had been dumped here, or in any one of the other approximately 40 such places around Aruba?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

At about the half way mark of the video there are snapshots taken over the last three years...shocking imo.

http://youtu.be/rrVIUfZmCKE

Jaburibari - one of Aruba's poison pits...

Published on Apr 6, 2012 by ArubaBirdlife

We are poisoning the next generation(s) of children and our nature. There are estimated some 40 of such privately run quarry dump sites around the island. Many if not all are illegal. There is no control as to what is dumped. No steps are taken to stop this irresponsible conduct. An official appeal has been sent to the Government put an end to this.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2012, 12:43:05 AM
Klaas, have you seen this one?

http://www.masnoticia.com/



No I haven't seen that one, thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
Slope behind Sloot home leading down to the quarry:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/moko2BLUEBARREL.jpg)

Video Poisoning Aruba:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/th_ArubaQuarrys.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/?action=view&current=ArubaQuarrys.mp4)

Screen capture from video:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/QuarryAruba.jpg)



We've seen animals discarded in the landfill.  Makes you wonder how many animal/people may be discarded in the many mokos/quarries in Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2012, 12:04:09 PM
If those who were behind the official cover-up to protect Joran van der Sloot from implication in the disappearing of Natalee Holloway directed TES to the quarry behind the van der Sloot home ... it makes perfect sense in hindsight that the search would be a waste of time.

Janet

+++++

The Quarry - A  Cruel Distraction

ARUBA - The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradis
By Dave Holloway

Page 29:
  The Aruban police asked the Equusearch team to send divers into the water that had filled a rock quarry behind the van der Sloot home.  Apparently, a body had been found in there many years earlier.  We had a meeting with the press and Equusearch, and everyone agreed that only one reporter would be present during this search, but not everyone attended that meeting.  Some other members of the news media showed up during the search and were asked to leave, but they refused saying that it was their country and public property.  There was a heated confrontation and police had to be called in to rope off the area so the search could continue.  The search dogs did not come up with a hit.

Page 106:  Segments of the government obviously knew more than they were willing to say. Apparently, a judge's son is above the law.  He went out with his buddies and they supposedly did soething bad, and the police start their investigation by arresting everyone but them.


Only in Aruba

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 «
« Reply #229 on: December 31, 2007, 04:27:02 PM »


Aruba is touting Birminghams unsolved cases at one of their popular chattering holes. They are citing the wrong stats. Only in Aruba does the judge, prosecutor, chief of police, and defense attorney collude to protect the guilty while being cheered on by the citizens. This isn't an unsolved crime. That is not why we are upset.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2488.msg323638#msg323638


We Never Stood a Chance

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
From the Beginning

‘'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

<snipped>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2012, 12:17:57 PM
The Media - Our Best Friend

Transcript: Corruption in Paradise?
Published April 11, 2006


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn’t been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we’d have been calling back to Aruba “Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?” I truly believe that.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2012, 12:30:54 PM
Aruba Never Pass the Ball - Not for One Minute

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
We have Expectations

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 209:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

s.t.


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Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
WARNING:  Graphic image at the link

...wondering if she's American?

http://www.awe24.com/20120804/11441/Net_dilanti_Club_21_un_auto_a_pasa_dal_dama_peaton_y_a_sigui_core_bay_lagando

Papiamentu translation:

just fast club 21 one car owing to happen strike lady peaton y owing to follow core bay, lagando the victima seriamente injury

13 hora happen come across, 4 of august 2012 05:04

seccion: incidente saturday madruga owing to enter informe of one accidente where one car will owing to strike one lady fast of club 21, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one car diminutive color black or dark will owing to happen strike one lady peaton y owing to follow core bay direccion east lagando the lady seriamente injury. at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the lady y owing to transporte cu sumo urgencia for hospital cu trauma at cabez y cu situation instabiel. informenan not oficial cu we owing to succeed achieve is indica cu the victima both leg is break, ela achieve golpi at lung y also have ribchi break. we will follow informa......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
TM - does this article say it was a hit and run, she is 30yrs old and in grave condition?

http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8 (http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
TM - does this article say it was a hit and run, she is 30yrs old and in grave condition?

http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8 (http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8)

Yes, they are saying the head injury is the most serious of her injuries.  Also according to the link, she is Colombian.

http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8

Papiamentu translation

lady cu was bayendo club 21 bad injury in hit and run

saturday, 04 august 2012 14:31

was algo happen of 4or cu one accidente owing to sosode cual owing to let behind one lady of 30 year gravemente injury. the was bayendo the momentonan ey of marduga for club 21. canando parcialmente on caminda owing to being gedal for one car. the golpinan was earnest principalmente at cabes. enough blood owing to stay on caminda. polisnan owing to wordo calling at once y they owing to present at the luga. ambulance also owing to wordo ask y cu urgencia owing to transporta the lady. polisnan owing to cuminsa one investigacion at once on the caso. esnan cu was at the sitio not can tell kico car, color y niether number of the car cu owing to strike the lady. polisnan of trafico have atencion extra for her caso here y is buscando the chauffeur y the car cu owing to strike the victima bay lag'e throw close of club 21 at beach..


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Post by: grace-land on August 04, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/122308-tackle-curs-to-alter-reverse-image-with-tourists-

Tackle curs to alter reverse image with tourists       
Thursday, 2 August 2012 11:48 

ORANJESTAD — The image of neglected, sick and aggressive dogs on the beaches and streets is an eyesore for tourists and a reason not to visit Aruba again. For the government this is actually a reason to make the promised budget available in tackling the problem with curs, despite the Regulation on Dogs that stipulates conditions to treat animals well. This regulation is expected to be ready at the end of this year.The Amigoe reported yesterday that Animal Rights Aruba (ARA), Veterinary Service Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) and Tourism Product Enhancement fund (TPEF) joined hands to launch an awareness campaign. The aim is to alter the reverse image that tourists have on how Aruba treats curs. The chairman of the fund, Jan van Nes, also manages Hotel Playa Linda. He stated that on the review website Tripadvisor, his hotel receives positive reactions on the beach, the catering industry and the friendly people but that the sight of curs is a reason not to spend another holiday on Aruba. “We must do something to show that we are most certainly taking action”, he said. Director Ronella Croes of ATA endorsed this. “We are used to seeing neglected dogs and pups on the streets but for tourists visiting our island for the first time this is a reason to file a complaint with ATA and not return to the island.”  She explained this was also a reason for ATA to help tackle the problem of curs. “We want to do something to remove the reverse image with the tourists and we want to make the people aware that a behavioral change towards animals is necessary.”
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2012, 02:26:39 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Missing-in-Aruba-one-year-later/QX8jRRDzDUm9968fOySn_g.cspx

Missing in Aruba...one year later


Published: 8/03 12:49 pm Updated: 8/03 1:18 pm


Birmingham, Alabama (WIAT)  Robyn Gardner's family is enduring the first year anniversary of her disappearance on vacation on Aruba...a pain Natalee Holloway's family can understand like few others.

The two cases happened years apart under different circumstances but there are eery similarities. In each case a vacationing American woman disappeared on the island, last seen with a man who, although investigated by local authorities,  was released and not charged.

The 35-year-old Gardner was reported missing on Aug. 2, 2011 by her travel companion Gary Giordano, who claimed she was swept out to sea while the two were snorkeling.

Apparently stung by comparisons to the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip, island officials conducted extensive searches for Gardner but turned up nothing. Aruban authorities held Giordano as long as they could but released him when they couldn't develop enough evidence to hold keep him on the island.

Family and friends gathered inside a small Frederick, Md. art gallery Wednesday to mark Gardner's disappearance, reports CBS affiliate WUSA. Participants were adamant that Wednesday's service was not a memorial.

"The idea is to have a vigil for someone who is missing with the hopes that she's possibly still alive," said organizer and friend Christina Jones.

Giordano is the lone suspect in her disappearance but was never charged. He was jailed for four months in Aruba but was let go for lack of evidence. He has since returned to Maryland and has filed a claim with an insurance company for the $3.5 million life insurance policy he had taken out on Gardner.

Natalee Holloway's father had his daughter declared legally dead last year, a move mother Beth went along with reluctantly. What the Holloways have in common with Gardner's friends and family is their continued quest for answers to what happened and why.

Giordano's counterpart in the Holloway case is Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teen living on Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance. She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot and two of his local pals.

Like Giordano he was questioned but released by Aruban authorities. Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28 year murder sentence in Peru. He was convicted of killing a Peruvian student he met in a casino. Stephany Flores' corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day that he walked out of that Aruban bar with Natalee.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2012, 04:15:02 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2012, 07:00:32 PM
http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html (http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html)

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing
Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46
(http://arubaherald.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b_150_100_16777215_0___images_stories_news_2012_aug_05_Manuela.jpg)

Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html (http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html)

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing
Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46
(http://arubaherald.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b_150_100_16777215_0___images_stories_news_2012_aug_05_Manuela.jpg)

Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.


Thank goodness, looks like she's back home!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51060:hoben-di-13-anja-cu-tabata-perdi-ta-bek-na-cas-&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

young of 13 anja cu was perdi is back at home

sunday, 05 august 2012 18:59

manuela velasco echeverry naci at colombia 13-11-1998 was being busca. the live at chuchubistraat 4. the is bishitando epb y is measure 1.73 metre. the have postura slank y color of cuero lichtbruin. by 2 of august for 9 or of night past owing to wordo see ultimo hour past owing to go sleep. family was enough preocupa. police also was atendo for her situation here. diadomingo in oranan of nightfall owing to enter informacion cu the young perdi owing to go back cas. assure past owing to hear cu have one buskeda for his person y past owing to go back cas. the is good of salud but the motibo of his baimento do not conoci.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
Thanks TM!  Glad to here she is back home!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 06, 2012, 11:17:36 AM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/augustus/06/joran-van-der-sloot-is-jarig

posted: 08/06/2012 - 9.00  last updated:08/06/2012 - 9.00
Joran van der Sloot's birthday

Joran van der Sloot is Monday 25 years old. His birthday must in the heavily guarded prison in Lima Piedras Gordas celebrate. He sits a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores in May 2010.

If he must serve the entire sentence, Van der Sloot 52 years if he leaves his cell. It is possible that he is leaving the cell more. He can deduct if he works in the prison. Then for every two days work a day off his sentence.

He may also by a treaty to be extradited to the Netherlands. The possibility of this happening is regarded as small by the experts. Moreover, it is an extradition request from the United States over the head. Justice in the U.S. wants to prosecute him for the extortion of the mother in 2005 in Aruba missing teen Natalee Holloway.
 ::snipping2::
The current counsel for Van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, believes that his previous lawyer, the Dutchman is not well defended. He wants to start a special procedure so that the business is done, but this Peruvian penal experts consider useless. There is also an appeal in his case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 06, 2012, 02:46:12 PM
FLASHBACK - AUGUST 6, 2005

Attorney-FBI Conflict In Aruba
August 6, 2005 11:56 AM


Attorneys for the suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway don't want the FBI getting information from Aruban authorities. Correspondent Mike Kirsch is in Aruba.

Video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=763638n

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 06, 2012, 03:47:10 PM
The cover up ... originated by Paulus van der Sloot to protect his son from the consequences of his actions in regards to the truth encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway and furthered by a corrupt Aruban investigation ... was so unnecessary.  If the truth had been forthcoming at the getgo:

1.  Joran ... a minor ... would have received a legal slap on the wrist from the Auban/Dutch Justice System.

2.  Natalee Holloway's family would have been afforded a measure of closure.

3.  The 18 year old American who did not return home following a graduation trip to Aruba would be a distance memory.

4.  Aruba would still be that "One Happy Island".

5.  Joran would not be sitting in a Peruvian lockup.

6.  A young lady named Stephany Flores would be persuing her dreams.


Should have Stepped Forward in the Beginning

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JUG TWITTY:  I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html


The Entire Truth

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 06, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
We have Expectations

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 209:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 06, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive.
Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2012, 12:23:43 AM
American tourist dies at Baby Beach?

http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na (http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11472/4_1344291371.jpg)



man tourist owing to hoga hour ela bay rescata his casa cu was in lama bruto at baby beach

 version policial.. monday nightfall for more or less 13:30 hrs, central of police is achieve one call of cu one person will is perdi in lama, just pafo of the mouth of baby beach. autoridadnan necesario (kustwacht, police maritimo, slachtofferhulp, helicopter of police, brandweer, sarfa, etc, etc).ta being send at the sitio y eynan they're come encontra cu several boluntario (civil) cu was buscando in lama end. after of more or less 1 hour of buskeda owing to come encontra the curpa without life of the victima, the tourist masculino: danny roundfield u.s.a. 26 of half 1953 hospedando cu his madam in renaissance hotel according declaracionnan at the sitio the madam will owing to haye in problem in lama bruto y the victima will owing to save his madam pe the hour ey wordo lastra the self door of lama bruto y corriente strong. till so far not have niun indicacion of cu is deal here of one crimen but more bien of one caso of hogamento in lama bruto. recherche have the caso. slachtofferhulp of police is dunando sosten at the madam of the victima. of part of awe24.com y cuerpo policial wanted send condolencia at the family of the victima. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 12:55:08 AM
American tourist dies at Baby Beach?

http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na (http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11472/4_1344291371.jpg)



man tourist owing to hoga hour ela bay rescata his casa cu was in lama bruto at baby beach

 version policial.. monday nightfall for more or less 13:30 hrs, central of police is achieve one call of cu one person will is perdi in lama, just pafo of the mouth of baby beach. autoridadnan necesario (kustwacht, police maritimo, slachtofferhulp, helicopter of police, brandweer, sarfa, etc, etc).ta being send at the sitio y eynan they're come encontra cu several boluntario (civil) cu was buscando in lama end. after of more or less 1 hour of buskeda owing to come encontra the curpa without life of the victima, the tourist masculino: danny roundfield u.s.a. 26 of half 1953 hospedando cu his madam in renaissance hotel according declaracionnan at the sitio the madam will owing to haye in problem in lama bruto y the victima will owing to save his madam pe the hour ey wordo lastra the self door of lama bruto y corriente strong. till so far not have niun indicacion of cu is deal here of one crimen but more bien of one caso of hogamento in lama bruto. recherche have the caso. slachtofferhulp of police is dunando sosten at the madam of the victima. of part of awe24.com y cuerpo policial wanted send condolencia at the family of the victima. come across

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Klaas.  It's almost like the twilight zone isn't it?

Guess there's probably one person in this world that's probably happy about this?

GG   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 01:13:03 AM
American tourist dies at Baby Beach?

http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na (http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11472/4_1344291371.jpg)



man tourist owing to hoga hour ela bay rescata his casa cu was in lama bruto at baby beach

 version policial.. monday nightfall for more or less 13:30 hrs, central of police is achieve one call of cu one person will is perdi in lama, just pafo of the mouth of baby beach. autoridadnan necesario (kustwacht, police maritimo, slachtofferhulp, helicopter of police, brandweer, sarfa, etc, etc).ta being send at the sitio y eynan they're come encontra cu several boluntario (civil) cu was buscando in lama end. after of more or less 1 hour of buskeda owing to come encontra the curpa without life of the victima, the tourist masculino: danny roundfield u.s.a. 26 of half 1953 hospedando cu his madam in renaissance hotel according declaracionnan at the sitio the madam will owing to haye in problem in lama bruto y the victima will owing to save his madam pe the hour ey wordo lastra the self door of lama bruto y corriente strong. till so far not have niun indicacion of cu is deal here of one crimen but more bien of one caso of hogamento in lama bruto. recherche have the caso. slachtofferhulp of police is dunando sosten at the madam of the victima. of part of awe24.com y cuerpo policial wanted send condolencia at the family of the victima. come across

If I understand it correctly, the man drowned trying to save his wife.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've highlighted the part that I think says that above in blue.

May he rest in peace.   :sad: ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Roundfield

Danny (Dan) Thomas Roundfield (born May 26, 1953 in Detroit, Michigan) is a retired American professional basketball player. The 6'8" forward/center graduated from Chadsey Senior High School in 1971. On the collegiate scene, Roundfield was twice selected to the All-Mid-American Conference Team for Central Michigan University; he was also the 1975 M.A.C. Player of the Year.

Roundfield spent 11 seasons in the National Basketball Association, playing for the Indiana Pacers (1976–1978), Atlanta Hawks (1978–1984), Detroit Pistons (1984–1985), and Washington Bullets (1985–1987). Roundfield earned a reputation as a strong rebounder and tenacious defender, and during his career he was named to five NBA All-Defensive teams and three All-Star teams. His nickname was Dr. Rounds.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 01:21:46 AM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51096:homber-cu-a-hoga-na-baby-beach-tabata-un-nba-all-star-&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

man cu owing to hoga at baby beach was one nba all star

monday, 06 august 2012 19:54

he dan roundfield cu monday afternoon owing to lose his life in sea at aruba was acolyte of nba all star team at three ocasion. roundfield was conoci for is one hungador defensivo much podereso. the was have one carera profesional for 11 anja. the was of vacacion at aruba y owing to hoga in the area of baby beach monday afternoon.

COMMENTS:

scirbi for hooiberg, august 06, 2012
in another word we can wait for cobertura of media mericano again, hooopi maloooo self. -2 come across...

scirbi for good aruban, august 06, 2012
my have to owing to read the commentario anterior two trip because my not can owing to believe cu have person so cruel;.e poor man owing to hoga hour past owing to try scapa life of his senjora then now the preocupacion of hooiberg is cu we is go hanja ccbertura of the media mericano. foei, foe, foei. bad ehempel hooiberg. acaso do you not have corazon come across.bonita word of you for prensa mericano publica. esey if is give aruba one good name again. very tristo self thing owing to happen. the pareha here owing to escohe aruba for come happen they vakantie then algo tristo so have cu happen. much compel at his senjora y family, sosega at paz sr, roundfield. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
This is really sad, he seemed like a great man.

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Catching_Up_With_Dan_Roundfield_012606.html (http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Catching_Up_With_Dan_Roundfield_012606.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 07, 2012, 03:22:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/122864-introductie-waarschuwingsborden-en-strandwachten-vastgelopen

Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:07 The mortal remains of Dan Field Round by members of the fire is carried away on Baby Beach.SAN NICOLAS - The dropping of warning signs and the introduction of lifeguards on beaches as Baby Beach is still stuck in the bureaucracy. This says Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) at Daily Herald. Now yesterday, another tourist, a former professional basketball in the United States, was drowned at Baby Beach, says he to have put extra pressure on the implementation of the plan for two years there.by our reporterAriën RasmijnIn response to the drowning Minister Oduber said this morning that he has ordered to speed up the warning signs, buoys and lifeguards, including at Baby Beach. In recent years, there are regular tourist drowned while swimming or snorkeling. "It's all stuck in the bureaucratic mill. In the past two years there is still everything to bear as the TPEF fund. We still need, for example with government DIP DOW and talk about where the signs now are allowed to be placed. Management should also formulate legislation the liability, "said the minister. Meanwhile, make the American media reported the drowning of former NBA player Dan Round Field. Minister Oduber said to have been informed.In 2010, announced Minister Oduber stated that there were signs and lifeguards would come and that this would fall under Aruba Marine Foundation. Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) then gave the Amigoe also expressed in full-time lifeguards when hiring. The foundation, which falls under Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), co-funded that year, the certification of 24 lifeguards. However, there were not enough funds. Also lacked an appropriate legal arrangement, whereby the liability for accidents among users of the beach remains, says AHSF. ::snipping2::


Hard flow

The announcement of the loss of Round Field yesterday was one thirty in the afternoon inside. According to police spokesperson John Larmonie volunteers were already in the water searching for victims when emergency services arrived. According to witnesses the victim and his wife went snorkeling while currently quite turbulent sea. The woman got into trouble at some point, Round Field shot to her aid but was supported by the strong currents and waves dragged further out. Eventually, the woman is the way to achieve, but Round Field disappeared.


Under a rock

The Coast Guard sent a helicopter to Baby Beach and SARFA Search & Rescue was activated. Carlos Peterson was the first of two SARFA volunteers who arrived. Together with an employee of the maritime police, an American diver and a local volunteer, they went into the water to Round Field to search. After a long search, Peterson was the victim along with the American diver. "We found the victim wedged under a rock. At that time he had no snorkel equipment anymore. Given the position he stuck clamped, I think he was in a last attempt tried to himself pushing up, but his strength was short. "When asked if Round Field and his wife served were with warning signs, says Peterson," The flow there is so hard and the waves are so unpredictable. I think the government should prohibit tourists even in that neighborhood to go snorkeling. "





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on August 07, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251221/40/Ex-Hawks-All-Star-Dan-Roundfield-drowns-in-Aruba
Ex-Hawks All-Star Dan Roundfield drowns in Aruba
Quote
Aruba police spokesman John Larmonie says Roundfield and his wife were caught in strong currents Monday while swimming beyond a protected reef area on the southeastern tip of the island. Roundfield helped his wife to safety but then the current swept away the 59-year-old former player.

Larmonie says a search team found Dan Roundfield's body underwater about 90 minutes after he was swept away, trapped by rocks. Officials said Roundfield's wife was still on the island Tuesday after being treated for shock.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/122864-introductie-waarschuwingsborden-en-strandwachten-vastgelopen

Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:07

The mortal remains of Dan Field Round by members of the fire is carried away on Baby Beach.

SAN NICOLAS - The dropping of warning signs and the introduction of lifeguards on beaches as Baby Beach is still stuck in the bureaucracy. This says Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) at Daily Herald. Now yesterday, another tourist, a former professional basketball in the United States, was drowned at Baby Beach, says he to have put extra pressure on the implementation of the plan for two years there.by our reporterAriën RasmijnIn response to the drowning Minister Oduber said this morning that he has ordered to speed up the warning signs, buoys and lifeguards, including at Baby Beach. In recent years, there are regular tourist drowned while swimming or snorkeling. "It's all stuck in the bureaucratic mill. In the past two years there is still everything to bear as the TPEF fund. We still need, for example with government DIP DOW and talk about where the signs now are allowed to be placed. Management should also formulate legislation the liability, "said the minister. Meanwhile, make the American media reported the drowning of former NBA player Dan Round Field. Minister Oduber said to have been informed.In 2010, announced Minister Oduber stated that there were signs and lifeguards would come and that this would fall under Aruba Marine Foundation. Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) then gave the Amigoe also expressed in full-time lifeguards when hiring. The foundation, which falls under Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), co-funded that year, the certification of 24 lifeguards. However, there were not enough funds. Also lacked an appropriate legal arrangement, whereby the liability for accidents among users of the beach remains, says AHSF. ::snipping2::


Hard flow

The announcement of the loss of Round Field yesterday was one thirty in the afternoon inside. According to police spokesperson John Larmonie volunteers were already in the water searching for victims when emergency services arrived. According to witnesses the victim and his wife went snorkeling while currently quite turbulent sea. The woman got into trouble at some point, Round Field shot to her aid but was supported by the strong currents and waves dragged further out. Eventually, the woman is the way to achieve, but Round Field disappeared.


Under a rock

The Coast Guard sent a helicopter to Baby Beach and SARFA Search & Rescue was activated. Carlos Peterson was the first of two SARFA volunteers who arrived. Together with an employee of the maritime police, an American diver and a local volunteer, they went into the water to Round Field to search. After a long search, Peterson was the victim along with the American diver. "We found the victim wedged under a rock. At that time he had no snorkel equipment anymore. Given the position he stuck clamped, I think he was in a last attempt tried to himself pushing up, but his strength was short. "When asked if Round Field and his wife served were with warning signs, says Peterson," The flow there is so hard and the waves are so unpredictable. I think the government should prohibit tourists even in that neighborhood to go snorkeling. "




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 06:44:15 PM
Sorry, intended on sharing that post in Robyn's thread.

Long day...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kiwi on August 07, 2012, 07:43:06 PM
This is very sad news and my prays go out to his family. On a side note it is interesting that when its an accident the lost can be recovered in 90 minutes with only 2 or 3 divers in the area, while other examples of those missing are never found.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 07, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Looks like they found the hit and run driver from the Club 21. Picture of the girl at link. She is beautiful.

http://www.diario.aw/

Chauffeur di hit & run a entrega su mes na husticia

Publication: Tuesday, 7 August 2012. Categoria: Policial

Victima ta na bida ainda…
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Albert V. di 31 aña ta e chauffeur cu a dal un señora peaton diasabra marduga dilanti Club 21 y sigui core bay.
 
Consenshi di e chauffeur a traha riba dje cu a pone entrega su mes dialuna atardi na man di husticia.
 
Departamento di trafico a papia cu varios testigo y purba di saca afor ken ta e chauffeur cu a dal e señora a bay asina leu pa mira si tin camaranan den e area cu por yuda na pone man riba e chofer.



Any guesses on Albert V.?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
Albert Vrolijk? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
Albert Vrolijk? 

He's the right age...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

Albert Vrolijk aka DJ 101: http://www.zorpia.com/dj101
Birth date listed as 1982-04-10.

 ::snipping2::


Birth date: April 10, 1982



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
Looks like they found the hit and run driver from the Club 21. Picture of the girl at link. She is beautiful.

http://www.diario.aw/

Chauffeur di hit & run a entrega su mes na husticia

Publication: Tuesday, 7 August 2012. Categoria: Policial

Victima ta na bida ainda…
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Albert V. di 31 aña ta e chauffeur cu a dal un señora peaton diasabra marduga dilanti Club 21 y sigui core bay.
 
Consenshi di e chauffeur a traha riba dje cu a pone entrega su mes dialuna atardi na man di husticia.
 
Departamento di trafico a papia cu varios testigo y purba di saca afor ken ta e chauffeur cu a dal e señora a bay asina leu pa mira si tin camaranan den e area cu por yuda na pone man riba e chofer.

Any guesses on Albert V.?

If I understand the translation correctly, he turned himself in.

http://www.diario.aw/

Papiamentu translation:

chauffeur of hit & run owing to entrega his self at husticia

publication: tuesday, 7 august 2012.

categoria: policial victima is at life ainda…

oranjestad(aan): albert v. of 31 year is the chauffeur cu owing to strike one madam peaton saturday marduga fast club 21 y follow core bay. consenshi of the chauffeur owing to work on dje cu owing to place entrega his self monday nightfall at hand of husticia. departamento of trafico owing to talk cu several witness y try of saca afor that is the chauffeur cu owing to strike the madam owing to bay so far for see if have camaranan in the area cu can help at place hand on the chofer. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 07, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
Albert Vrolijk? 

He's the right age...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

Albert Vrolijk aka DJ 101: http://www.zorpia.com/dj101
Birth date listed as 1982-04-10.

 ::snipping2::


Birth date: April 10, 1982




That's who I thought of, and I think he is always out partying.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2012, 11:38:19 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=255.0

Panties – Polka-dotted underwear found near huts on June 14, 2005 by Charles Rafini and Albert Vrolijk (top 95 DJ’s).  Other reports were that the underwear was a pink floral pattern.  Panties were reportedly for a much larger woman than Natalee.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/pantyboy3.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2012, 12:12:31 AM
Albert Vrolijk? 

He's the right age...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

Albert Vrolijk aka DJ 101: http://www.zorpia.com/dj101
Birth date listed as 1982-04-10.

 ::snipping2::


Birth date: April 10, 1982





That's who I thought of, and I think he is always out partying.

http://www.myspace.com/nextt101 (http://www.myspace.com/nextt101)

(http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/ea848c5433eb7830db34757968cf7fd2/l.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2012, 12:19:45 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=301:dj-101&catid=9:crew&Itemid=16 (http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=301:dj-101&catid=9:crew&Itemid=16)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/cache/multithumb_images/16ed62d4620f54f3735a5d3f64ee6e95.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2012, 12:48:04 AM
In his official May 31, 2005 witness statement Joran van der Sloot told the interrogator that he and Natalee Holloway had been dropped off at the beach.  However ... the beach was not searched until June 14th following a conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and Mickey John while both were detained.

Janet

+++++

Posted 6/14/2005 2:51 PM     Updated 6/15/2005 10:09 AM
Aruban police come up empty-handed in search for teen


<snipped>
 
Police converged on a mangrove swamp near the Marriott Tuesday, a secluded area behind the beach dotted with fishermen's huts, to search for Natalee Holloway after being told that the young men who were last seen with her had lied about where they dropped her off. Workers used a firetruck to drain a pond in the middle of the swamp. ....

Police converged on a mangrove swamp near the Marriott Tuesday, a secluded area behind the beach dotted with fishermen's huts, to search for Natalee Holloway after being told that the young men who were last seen with her had lied about where they dropped her off. Workers used a firetruck to drain a pond in the middle of the swamp. ....

Mickey John, who was released Monday from the jail where the suspects are being held, said one of those suspects told him that a "very drunk" Holloway was dropped off near the Marriott Hotel, 10 blocks from the Holiday Inn where she had been staying, said John's lawyer, Noriana Pietersz. John said he was told that Holloway was dropped off with another of the suspects near a beach area known as a lovers' lane. ....

Witnesses said that during Tuesday's search, Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, arrived in a police car and became hysterical after talking to officers. "Her body became limp. They had to help her walk," said Denise Leinhardt, a vacationer from Boca Raton, Fla. ....

The secluded area where the search was taking place had been visited earlier in the day by a radio deejay and his friends, who were looking for clues in the disappearance. The deejay, Albert Vrolijk, said he found two pairs of panties, condoms and some duct tape around a kwihi tree.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-14-aruba-search_x.htm


klaasend
Joran van der Sloot - May 31, 2005 statement and addendum from BFN
« on: May 30, 2008, 06:24:23 PM »


Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.

I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet.

During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=255.0

Panties – Polka-dotted underwear found near huts on June 14, 2005 by Charles Rafini and Albert Vrolijk (top 95 DJ’s).  Other reports were that the underwear was a pink floral pattern.  Panties were reportedly for a much larger woman than Natalee.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/pantyboy3.jpg)




Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 48:  Alberto and Claudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation.

Page 49:  Joran describest Natalee's underwear with the dark blue embroidery and the flowers. ...


Aruban Police Begin New Search on Beach
Published June 14, 2005


Reporters from local radio station Top 95 launched their own search before police arrived, and found and gave to police a pair of torn pink-and-white polka dot panties and three condoms, two of them used, said one of the journalists, Albert Vrolijk.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159589,00.html



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Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2012, 02:45:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123046-aanleg-boeien-en-borden-op-baby-beach

Google translation:


Construction signs and buoys at Baby Beach         

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 8, 2012 10:05

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2012-08-08-1174167-350x262.jpg)

Minister Oduber on Baby Beach, next to her Finance Minister and local resident Mike Meza and include representatives of the Red Cross, and DOW States member Chris Dammers.


SAN NICOLAS - Commissioned by the government next week started with the construction of buoys in the sea near Baby Beach. The buoys must warn swimmers to where they can stand, where only experienced swimmers are allowed to car and from where the current is too hard to safely swim. The reason for the construction is yet another drowning before yesterday. Also, there are warning signs quickly.

This says Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) for Tourism, Labour and Transport. This morning during a press conference at the popular beach on the east side of the island Oduber told that there are lifeguards. Moreover, he goes to sit down with Infrastructure Minister Benny Sevinger (AVP) to talk about a way to the strong currents there to change or diminish. Direct result of the conference and the action is the drowning of former U.S. basketball player Dan Round Field day before yesterday. The minister says that Aruba must guard against its reputation with visitors. "This is an increasingly popular swimming place. Therefore, in recent times more incidents. Even local people do not always know what's going with the flow here, "said the minister. As in past years hurricanes have come close, the situation is completely changed at Baby Beach, which was strong currents. "We're going to ask Minister Sevinger permanent adjustments to make to that situation," said Oduber. "We have long done to ensure a coordinated approach, but now all services are in order in the next week to two weeks to get this done."


Wait a beach n

Yesterday, the minister still Amigoe know that the introduction of safety devices on beaches such as Baby Beach two years stuck by red tape. Thus, Directorate of Legislation and Legal Affairs (DWJZ) is still the responsibility of lifeguards to settle. Today the Minister said that with funding from the Tourism Product Enhancement Fund (TPEF) and the Red Cross Aruba Marine Park Foundation as a pilot project lifeguards will introduce at Baby Beach. If it was not said. In 2010, 24 lifeguards, with funding from, inter alia, Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF), trained and certified. These individuals were never used as a lifeguard.


Boeie n

Pending lifeguards are therefore already posted signs and buoys. Sea Solutions, a company that constructs mooring buoys for hotels, will make a plan for the construction of the buoys. Manager Olyses Mata Rossi indicates that the government has directly approached his company to do this. "We will conduct an investigation into the seabed and will draw a yellow line of buoys to where swimmers may stand. There is a second line, a blue, which indicates that only good swimmers can go behind. Finally, a third line drawn. Behind the orange line, the flow is too hard and it is too dangerous to swim, "said Mata Rossi. These strong currents, combined with the clear water with many fish, according to him the great danger of Eagle Beach. "Snorkelers attention only on the clean water, white sand and the many fish and do not notice that they are entrained by the flow until it is too late and they can not go back," he explains. In addition to the buoys, the presence of a lifeguard find important Mata Rossi. "They can ensure that those who do not read the signs and still goes swimming in time return."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123056-situatie-jongeren-zorgelijk

Google translation:


'Situation youth worrying'
         
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 8, 2012 10:05

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2012-08-08-1174388-350x233.jpg)

The organization of the addiction conference at the press conference yesterday. With all right Jan van der Straten and in the middle Minister Visser.

ORANGE CITY - The situation of young people is "worrying" according to a recent study by the University of Aruba-school youth. More is known about this, because the results only on a major international conference on addiction and will be announced. This takes place at 26.27 and 28 September.

That was announced yesterday by the organization, Fundacion pa Maneho Adiccion di di Aruba (FMAA) and the Dutch Parnassia Bavo Group where this umbrella organization is working with. 'Congress 2012, addiction? Our care! " is the name of this congress which a variety of professionals in the field of addiction prevention and mental health, and on behalf of the shopkeepers and police speak. The goal is to inform the field about the developments, but says drugs coordinator Jan van der Straten yesterday, a wider audience. "It costs only 100 florins for three days, to make it as accessible as possible. There is on 26 september evening also a free session for parents, teachers and young people aged fourteen years. "There is limited space (up to 84 people) so pre-registration is required. It is an interactive session given by the chairman of the Dutch knowledge institute Trimbos, Jan Walburg, where the goal is to create a program where young people are resilient against addiction.

The announcement of this conference is clear that something is going on among the young. But both the organization and also the present Minister of Health (AVP), would not give details. On the website specially created for the Congress (www.congresverslavingaruba2012.com) states that on the first day at half past eleven in the afternoon Herbert Diaz of the Center for Research & Development of the university the results of a survey 2011-2012 school goes present. The problem is huge, says Van der Straten. One of the goals of the conference is so 'take cognizance of the results', 'with particular concern the situation of young people' is mentioned. Minister Visser talks about a new baseline study that examines where addicts come from. During the conference is therefore to discuss the "weaknesses" in the society in which young people fall prey to. The speakers are talking not only about drug addiction for example, but also about alcohol and gambling.

The Minister and Van der Straten however, argue that the past two years has created an entire revolution in addiction in Aruba. With the privatization of care, the ward can ask of them obliged to treat addicts, the introduction of an emergency line, together with the Capriles Clinic in Curaçao. "You should know how many addicts who were first on the street, in treatment," says Van der Straten. The treatment and rehabilitation centers are filled according to him. There is in the downtown still a hard core of about 25 addicts and consequently is now tried again to get in touch. "But we need not just discriminate. Addicts keep people on the street and not everyone is addicted, but there are also among the mentally ill. "Van der Straten also said that Aruba will soon receive an addiction psychiatrist and a physician addiction and multiple therapists. At the congress in September, he expects at least 300 participants. One of the goals is also to see if there may be regional and international cooperation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 08, 2012, 04:29:53 PM
What do you think these 3 have in common?

Port Jefferson Station, NY
Mexico
Russia

all three have clicked on the same link at SM
I noted it because in all the years at SM I have not seen Port Jefferson Station, NY except this one time. It was interesting because that is where Capslockwizard is from.

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Domain Name sourcemedia99.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 81.17.17.# (Dial-up service)
ISP Relians Ltd
Location Continent Asia
Country: Russian Federation  (Facts)
State/Region Moscow City

City:Moscow
Lat/Long 55.7522, 37.6156 (Map)
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Operating System 
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Last Page View Jul 31 2012 3:45:16 am
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Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=2979.180
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Out Click
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WENT to this page
p. 10
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2979.180
Their referring URL is the photo of the girls on that page




 
 
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Domain Name optonline.net ? (Network)
IP Address 24.45.162.# (Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems))
ISP Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems)
Location Continent North America
Country United States  (Facts)
State New York
City Port Jefferson Station

Lat/Long 40.913, -73.0432 (Map)
Language English (U.S.)
en-us Operating System
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Browser Firefox
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1
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Last Page View Jan 3 2012 7:39:36 pm
Visit Length 12 seconds
Page Views 2
Referring URL
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Search Engine google.com
Search Words aruba women
Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=2867.860
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=2867.860
Out Click http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6531/normalsenorsatur119390fe6.jpg
http://imageshack.us/
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jan 3 2012 7:39:24 pm
Visit Number 30,357,605
 
Went to this thread at SM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.860



 
 
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Domain Name uninet-ide.com.mx ? (Mexico)
IP Address 201.116.84.# (Uninet S.A. de C.V.)
ISP Uninet S.A. de C.V.
Location Continent North America
Country Mexico  (Facts)
State/Region Mexico
City Atizapn
Lat/Long 19.25, -99.55 (Map)
Language Spanish es Operating System
Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; chromeframe/17.0.963.33; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; AskTbORJ/5.14.1.20007)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution 1024 x 768
Color Depth 32 bits
Time of Visit Jan 16 2012 9:52:24 pm
Last Page View Jan 16 2012 9:52:24 pm
Visit Length 0 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL http://www.google.co...tbnid=QfNVTFhxP6VyaM
Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=2979.180
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=2979.180
Out Click Time Zone UTC-6:00
Visitor's Time Jan 16 2012 8:52:24 pm
Visit Number 30,470,327
 

Referring url is the same as Russia's with the photo of the girls.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
Kermit- possibly looking for "escorts" in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2012, 10:20:36 PM
Thought the comment was interesting. jmo

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51171:a-cuminsa-alerta-usuarionan-di-baby-beach-di-e-riesgonan-cu-tin-den-lama&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

minister otmar oduber is reuni cu instancianan concerni for soluciona the problematica of baby beach

wednesday, 08 august 2012 12:28

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.aug.08.beach.front.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.aug.08.beach.Image_1.jpg)

COMMENTS:

 ::snipping2::

scirbi for alerta, august 08, 2012

for more of 60 year lago owing to opera at aruba y for more of 60 year the tankeronan of lago was hancra just one bit zuidwest of esso club y lagando manchanan of azeta on water eynan. is cuanto chimico the petroleum here is contene y hour bento change come of west all esakinan is come east stick on the rif at baby beach. is more cu 20 person owing to hoga eynan d ultimo time for motibo cu the gas is stik they under water. immidiately compara cuanto owing to die in lagoen self compara cu esnan cu is take risico of bay pafo. gobierno have to come cu one study intensivo y sample for averigua if is gas is stik the hendenan here under water. never we owing to hear cu one autopsia owing to wordo haci at the personanan here for detecta what was the cause. carbon dioxide y carbon monoxide two deadly causes. -1 come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2012, 11:30:23 PM
Article from 2009

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7919:bishitantenan-loyal-honra-na-marriott-surf-club&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

bishitantenan loyal honor at marriott surf club

friday, 27 march 2009 12:42

recientemente owing to wordo honor because; bishitante distingui cu is biniendo aruba for 17 year consecutivamente the next personanan: ann & august moronese y also dan & bernie roundfield. sr. ricardo croes of aruba tourism authority owing to haci entrega of the certificado here y alavez felicita they for his lealtad demostra for her island después much year is bishitando we sweet island. click read more for more info y imagen... on the potret can aprecia sr. croes together cu the honoradonan y also staff of marriott surf club.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2009.march.march27.marriott.marriott3.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2009.march.march27.marriott.marriott.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
Kermit- possibly looking for "escorts" in Aruba?



My curiosity is peeked because - RUSSA, MEXICO & PORT JERFFERSON STATION NY came to SM by means of a link
of the photo of those girls not a search.

Referring URL
http://www.google.co...ba%2Bwomen%26tbm%3Di


Trace reveals RUSSIA may be a woman - does a lot of shopping.


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 09, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/123064-buoys-and-signs-at-baby-beach

Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:12

SAN NICOLAS — By order of the government buoys will be placed in sea at Baby Beach starting next week. These buoys are to warn swimmers to which point they can stand, where only experienced swimmers dare go, and where the current is too strong to swim safely. The buoys are being placed after the umpteenth drowning yesterday. Warning signs are also to be placed within short, said Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism, Labor and  ::snipping2::


Did he really say umpteenth/ LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2012, 08:55:43 PM


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MonkeyJusticeTrain31.jpg)

www.cafepress.com/justicetrain



Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:46pm EDT


<snipped>

Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

<snipped>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2012, 09:12:31 PM
Considering July has come and gone ... what's the hold up?

I would assume that the sentence appeal has to be ruled on prior to the Cabinet minister's final ruling regarding the extradition of Joran to the States to face extortion charges.

Janet

++++++

van der Sloot asks for forgiveness
Published: 9:49 am Updated: 10:11 am


<snipped>

He is currently serving a 28-year prison sentence after being found guilty in the Flores case.  An appeal of that sentence is set to be heard in July.   If time is knocked off his current sentence, van der Sloot could be extradited to the United States for the extortion charges.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-asks-for-forgiveness/i2NzJ4--ykqD4XEE4XKy7Q.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2012, 09:16:37 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR STEPHANY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 10, 2012, 03:35:11 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=22413

Is Aruba a destination that cares?
Posted by Aruba Daily on August 10th, 2012

Every Aruban should answer this question affirmative and any Aruban that thinks or feels different should immediately come to the rescue or at least do something about it. With the drowns taking place more or less on a frequent basis, a very sad situation, one may feel that apparently no one cares. Aruba, unless we do something will get the reputation that we do not care, and that we do not act to prevent these accidents from happening.
 ::snipping2::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Ono on August 11, 2012, 12:28:21 PM
This is very sad news and my prays go out to his family. On a side note it is interesting that when its an accident the lost can be recovered in 90 minutes with only 2 or 3 divers in the area, while other examples of those missing are never found.


Good point!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 11, 2012, 06:27:10 PM
http://arubaherald.com/911/3145-tourist-found-dead-in-room-at-hotel.html (http://arubaherald.com/911/3145-tourist-found-dead-in-room-at-hotel.html)

Tourist found dead in room at hotel

Friday, 10 August 2012 08:34

Thursday morning authorities were notified that a man was found unresponsive in a room at a hotel on Palm Beach. Authorities confiscated the body and ordered an autopsy to determine the cause of death.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not surprised either Magnolia, I can only hope that maybe this will put a stop to it!

Yes, it has been a long time coming.

Not sure what the domestic disorderly conduct would be, but if that means a woman was the victim; hope she's o.k.  Regardless who the victim is, I'm just glad they didn't let him get away with it!

 ::MonkeyCool::

 



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Post by: San on August 12, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
I agree.  It's a long time coming.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on August 12, 2012, 10:52:53 PM
 :smt117


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cyberstalking.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on August 12, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cyberstalking.jpg)

Yep, that's him!   ::MonkeyShocked::

POS!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: San on August 12, 2012, 11:03:10 PM
Pretty creepy isn't it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 11:03:45 PM
:smt117

 ::MonkeyDance::

Good to see you San!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Pretty creepy isn't it.

Absolutely.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 11:12:14 PM
The picture is pretty creepy too, but very fitting imo.

Sorry San, I probably misunderstood your post!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
No you didn't misunderstand, LOL  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
No you didn't misunderstand, LOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 12, 2012, 11:15:01 PM
No you didn't misunderstand, LOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on August 13, 2012, 12:54:27 AM
The picture is pretty creepy too, but very fitting imo.

Sorry San, I probably misunderstood your post!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Klaas is right, you didn't misunderstand.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on August 13, 2012, 12:55:00 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=301:dj-101&catid=9:crew&Itemid=16 (http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=301:dj-101&catid=9:crew&Itemid=16)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/cache/multithumb_images/16ed62d4620f54f3735a5d3f64ee6e95.jpg)



Wow, he gained about 200 pounds!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on August 13, 2012, 01:21:53 AM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on August 13, 2012, 01:22:30 AM
What I mean to say was



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on August 13, 2012, 01:23:26 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Having problems posting.

The long arm of justice finally catches up with a much deserving DIRTBAG!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 13, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

Somebody send him a harmonica!
He has prior convictions so maybe Judge HOULIHAN will lock him up for awhile




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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 13, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
Justice always finds its way home. It may take awhile, but it always finds its way home.

WHOSE NEXT?

TICK_TOCK

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 13, 2012, 03:48:03 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

Somebody send him a harmonica!
He has prior convictions so maybe Judge HOULIHAN will lock him up for awhile





If he has prior convictions, it becomes a felony and can carry jail time and a big fine.
One can hope!!!

  Cyberstalking Laws

United States (Federal)  
  


Rhode Island
Last updated: August 24, 2010


(b) A second or subsequent conviction under subsection (a) of this section shall be deemed a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, by a fine of not more than six thousand dollars ($6,000), or both.
Edit to add the link provided by Magnolia.  MB  http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/rhodeisland.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 13, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Just take his computer away.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 13, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

Somebody send him a harmonica!
He has prior convictions so maybe Judge HOULIHAN will lock him up for awhile





If he has prior convictions, it becomes a felony and can carry jail time and a big fine.
One can hope!!!

  Cyberstalking Laws

United States (Federal)  
  


Rhode Island
Last updated: August 24, 2010


(b) A second or subsequent conviction under subsection (a) of this section shall be deemed a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, by a fine of not more than six thousand dollars ($6,000), or both.
 


I know Miss Bee will want a link:  http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/rhodeisland.shtml

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you! ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 13, 2012, 04:32:52 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

Somebody send him a harmonica!
He has prior convictions so maybe Judge HOULIHAN will lock him up for awhile





If he has prior convictions, it becomes a felony and can carry jail time and a big fine.
One can hope!!!

  Cyberstalking Laws

United States (Federal)  
  


Rhode Island
Last updated: August 24, 2010


(b) A second or subsequent conviction under subsection (a) of this section shall be deemed a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, by a fine of not more than six thousand dollars ($6,000), or both.
Edit to add the link provided by Magnolia.  MB  http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/rhodeisland.shtml


http://coventry.patch.com/articles/arrest-log-august-1-8

Looks like his other arrest was driving without a license.
But anyone can contact the Judge and give their evidence of this guy cyberstalking them.


(http://o3.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/5ffee8e40f3a06935cde8ae9025fec67)


Cyberstalking and cyberharassment prohibited RIGL § 11-52-4.2

Joan Collins
CyberTip Manager
Phone: (401) 444-1148


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 13, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
Just take his computer away.. ::MonkeyTongue::

yeah and lets see what's on that computer
Yee Haw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 13, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
::MonkeyGavel::

Having problems posting.

The long arm of justice finally catches up with a much deserving DIRTBAG!

Anna!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 13, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
Just take his computer away.. ::MonkeyTongue::

yeah and lets see what's on that computer
Yee Haw
You would hope that the police would have a forensics team come in and check that thing out for what he has been up to. I wonder what all his computer friends are thinking now? Ahh heck, I don't wanna know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2012, 07:43:21 PM
Just take his computer away.. ::MonkeyTongue::

yeah and lets see what's on that computer
Yee Haw
You would hope that the police would have a forensics team come in and check that thing out for what he has been up to. I wonder what all his computer friends are thinking now? Ahh heck, I don't wanna know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I checked Gold Monkey.  Nothing ... nothing I could see.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
Dr. Drew - HLN - Beth Holloway - Right now!!

6:20 PM PT


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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 09:43:14 PM
Dr. Drew - HLN - Beth Holloway - Right now!!

6:20 PM PT

Link, please!  Thanks!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2012, 09:53:05 PM
Dr. Drew - HLN - Beth Holloway - Right now!!

6:20 PM PT

Link, please!  Thanks!


No link.  Dr. Drew Show (HLN) is on Cable 37 in our area ... 6:00 PM DST.

A transcript should be posted later on:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ddhln.html

Anyways ... the interview with Beth ended 20 minutes into the show ... about the same time I submitted my post.  I missed it all.  I have no clue what the discussion was all about.  There will be a repeat program on HLN later this evening.

Janet




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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
Thanks for the information, Janet!  It will be interesting to read the transcript.  Here is a little info about the show:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/13/tonight-coronado-mansion-death-mystery

Tonight: The Coronado mansion death mystery
By Reid Binion
updated 12:56 PM EDT, Mon August 13, 2012

Tonight on the Dr. Drew show: The Coronado Mansion death mystery - what really happened to little Max Shacknai?  His mother Dina talks to Dr Drew about her determination to have her son's death re-investigated.  Was he beaten before the fatal fall?  Did he fall during a desperate attempt to flee his abuser?  Also, Beth Holloway reaches out to Dina on coping with a child's death in the media spotlight and how to move on.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
Thanks for the information, Janet!  It will be interesting to read the transcript.  Here is a little info about the show:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/13/tonight-coronado-mansion-death-mystery

Tonight: The Coronado mansion death mystery
By Reid Binion
updated 12:56 PM EDT, Mon August 13, 2012

Tonight on the Dr. Drew show: The Coronado Mansion death mystery - what really happened to little Max Shacknai?  His mother Dina talks to Dr Drew about her determination to have her son's death re-investigated.  Was he beaten before the fatal fall?  Did he fall during a desperate attempt to flee his abuser?  Also, Beth Holloway reaches out to Dina on coping with a child's death in the media spotlight and how to move on.


Thanks Grace.

I caught a couple minutes of Beth and who I now know to be Dina ... Max Shacknai's mother ...  as the interview was wrapping up.  Dina looked very distraught.  As usual ... Beth was a compassionate pillar of strength.

I will look forward to either watching the repeat program later this evening or reading the posted transcript.

My DIL often has a heads up of Beth's speaking engagements and interviews.  DIL and son were in Seattle for a wedding this weekend and have yet to return.  I checked.  No email.

Janet


Background

Dina Shacknai Asks to Reopen Mansion Death
Max Shacknai was fatally injured in July 2011 when he fell from a railing in the home's front stairwell
Monday, Aug 6, 2012


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dina-Jonah-Shacknai-Max-Shacknai-Rebecca-Zahau-165197206.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
Rebecca Nalepa Zahau Found Hanging, Bound Mansion of Jonah Shacknai (Suicide)
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11634.msg1446492#msg1446492


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 13, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::

This could not have happened to a more deserving and spiteful person.

And there are others that also should to be expecting the cyber-stalking Feds at their door.


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Post by: carpe noctem on August 13, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=22413

Is Aruba a destination that cares?
Posted by Aruba Daily on August 10th, 2012

Every Aruban should answer this question affirmative and any Aruban that thinks or feels different should immediately come to the rescue or at least do something about it. With the drowns taking place more or less on a frequent basis, a very sad situation, one may feel that apparently no one cares. Aruba, unless we do something will get the reputation that we do not care, and that we do not act to prevent these accidents from happening.
 ::snipping2::
 

I think they signed off on the Aruba Cares Campaign back went Natalee went "missing" in 2005.

Aruba does not care. Period! Anybody who goes, has been living in a cave... or is a moron.

Saying you've gone to Aruba, post 2005,  is an immediate deduction of 25 IQ points, in my book.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: Coo-coo in the co-co. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
Dr. Drew- HLN - Repeat Program - Beth Holloway - 9:00 PM PDT

Janet
8:55 PM PDT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2012, 12:23:15 AM
DR. DREW
Mansion Death Accident or Murder?
Aired August 13, 2012 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

Beth Holloway`s daughter, Natalee, went missing in 2005 in Aruba. The presumption is she is dead.

Beth, you have been hearing what we have been dealing with in Dina`s situation with her son, Max. What would your advice be to Dina? What is your take on this situation? What can she do to get through this?

BETH HOLLOWAY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, Dina`s doing everything that she should be doing. And you know, she is -- she mentioned that she just had a feeling that things were not right and the circumstances surrounding Max`s death. So she is going with her gut and she is wanting to encourage the law enforcement to please, to take another look at Maxie`s case.

And she -- we know as parents when things are not completely right and she is taking the right steps and she is trying to move Maxie`s case forward. And I applaud her. I have the greatest sympathy and empathy for the extremely painful process that Dina is going through right now.

<snipped>

PINSKY: And, Beth, that has been a way for you to make meaning of all this, indeed? Correct?

HOLLOWAY: Correct. And also what Dina is doing right now, it gives her that hope and that renewal of strength to keep moving and to sustain her and to want to have -- you know, everything, all the details surrounding Maxie`s death just spot on. And like I said, I applaud her and she has taken this action and it is not an easy path to take, but she is there. She is Maxie`s advocate and doing a wonderful job at it. So, I applaud her.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/13/ddhln.01.html
 



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Post by: grace-land on August 14, 2012, 12:51:17 AM
Dr. Drew- HLN - Repeat Program - Beth Holloway - 9:00 PM PDT

Janet
8:55 PM PDT

Beth looked beautiful!  :smt060

It was nice of her to be part of the show and give Dina words of support and encouragement...one classy lady!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2012, 01:20:46 AM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway - May 30, 2010

 :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 14, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
http://www.larepublica.pe/14-08-2012/descuartizador-de-la-maleta-fue-trasladado-al-penal-de-piedras-gordas-i-en-ancon

Google translation

'Butcher of the Suitcase' was transferred to the BBW Stone I, in Ancon
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 | 7:46 a.m.

 ::snipping2::
Mori Vasquez is charged with the crimes of murder and cover-up, the penalty could be up to 35 years in prison.
 
A blow to the head
The forensic anthropologist Mary Barker was one of those responsible for reviewing the Anci Armestar body when he was found. After consideration gave a brief analysis of what may have caused his death. "The forensic report states that Mr. Armestar would have applied a head injury in order to reduce it," said the expert.
 
Now Vasquez Mori could spend their days confined for years in one of the penitentiary that houses several of the country prontuariados murderers and perpetrators of the bloodiest events of recent times in the capital. For example Alejandro Trujillo, charged with the murder of businesswoman Miriam Fefer, Jose Astahuamán, accused of having shot the girl Romina Cornejo, or Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stefanny Flores.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2012, 12:19:52 PM
Dr. Drew- HLN - Repeat Program - Beth Holloway - 9:00 PM PDT

Janet
8:55 PM PDT

Beth looked beautiful!  :smt060

It was nice of her to be part of the show and give Dina words of support and encouragement...one classy lady!


Dina was grateful for Beth's encouraging words ... encouraging words that will afforded her strength in her journey seeking the truth encompassing Maxie's death.

Janet

+++++

DR. DREW
Mansion Death Accident or Murder?
Aired August 13, 2012 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

DINA SHACKNAI: I just want to say thank you. I want to say thank you for listening and caring about Maxie`s story and obviously, you have suffered a great loss and to hear that you understand and that you kind of understand my position validates even my feelings and I appreciate you making this --

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/13/ddhln.01.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2012, 12:24:48 PM
Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


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Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 07:33:38 PM
http://www.wdef.com/news/state/story/Funeral-Friday-for-NBA-veteran-Dan-Roundfield/nEXkPwKkqEOKPPWB2XZ8xw.cspx

Funeral Friday for NBA veteran Dan Roundfield
         
Print Story Published: 6:23 pm Share Updated: 6:23 pm 

NORCROSS, Ga. (AP) — A funeral is planned Friday in Norcross for NBA veteran Dan Roundfield.

The former Atlanta Hawk spent 11 seasons in the NBA and had three consecutive All-Star seasons. He drowned Aug. 6 off the Caribbean island of Aruba while helping his wife as she struggled in rough water. He was 59.

The Hawks announced that his funeral will be at 10 a.m. Friday at Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Norcross. The service is open to the public.

Viewing will be from 6-8 p.m. Thursday at Gregory B. Levitz and Sons Funeral Home in Lawrenceville.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
More about the Roundfield family here, pictures, and video of an interview with Dan Roundfield.

http://fandaily.info/celebrity-couples/bernie-roundfield-is-former-nba-legend-dan-roundfields-wife-photo/

Bernie Roundfield is Former NBA Legend Dan Roundfield’s Wife (PHOTO)
August 8, 2012 By Miva

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123726-canadese-verdachte-uitgezet

Google translation:

Canadian suspect deported         

TUESDAY, AUGUST 14, 2012 9:41

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2012-08-14-1201769-350x224.jpg)
This Canadian was at the request of Canadian authorities detained.

ORANGE CITY - A Canadian who fled to Aruba after a considerable amount of money have been stolen, is plotted. He was put on a private plane after the man earlier at the request of the Canadian authorities had been arrested.

The man stayed at the Marriott hotel and was an organizer of major events until he ran off with the proceeds. There was no removal procedure to pass because the man NMGV voluntarily cooperated with his removal.

Last weekend, the police also another foreign suspect, a Colombian. This has for some time detained on suspicion of shooting of the Colombian Eduardo also Tiajsi Amaya (44) Bubali in late April of this year. The shooting took place at a house at the address Bubali 20-F. The victim had five bullets in his body and succumbed to his injuries. We suspect that it is a settlement in the drug circuit. Due to lack of evidence the accused could not be detained. The man was subsequently deported. But so again appeared to have come illegally in Aruba. He was arrested this weekend because of suspicious behavior.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123731-illegaal-dumpen-gaat-onverminderd-door

Google translation:

Illegal dumping continues unabated         

TUESDAY, AUGUST 14, 2012 9:41

Aruban Road Trucks dump Moko on this recent photo, taken by a neighbor.

ORANGE CITY - Despite the ban on illegal dumping on 1 August and the opening of landfill Gabilan is still illegally dumped. Locals report that contractor Aruban Road still waste dumps in Moko. In Tamarijn is also still paid and ensures smoke from burning debris covered much inconvenience. Meanwhile, says Infrastructure Minister Benny Sevinger (AVP) to Amigoe that there still has been no consultation between the authorities jointly penalties must go hand out and dumps to close.

by our reporter

Ariën Rasmijn

Residents in Moko made on August 7, pictures of trucks that Aruban Road construction waste dumped at the illegal dump it to the general prohibition on a permanent basis from 1 August used. Amigoe took today about contact with Matthijs Beyen, Deputy Director of Aruban Road. "Being illegal dumping is not known to me. In fact, we agreed that henceforth all the waste going to landfill in Gabilan. "Says Beyen to investigate why his company a week after the ban is still illegally dumped waste. Director Michel Daems said earlier that his company illegally dumped waste in order to compete with other entrepreneurs.

Tamarijn

On the illegal dumps at Tamarijn is also still dirt dumped, incinerated, and burning all covered again, explain both local residents as the fire brigade spokesman Luc Alofs Gabriel Kelly. "What's under the ground, nobody knows, so whether the carcinogens is nobody knows," said Alofs. When he phoned the fire brigade had to remind them that the private grounds with a chain has been closed and the fire with their earlier heavy fire trucks could not get that unstable terrain. The fire was Sunday's show. Kelly says in response no information about a report on Sunday from Tamarijn. "It happens, however, that other cases have priority when we have often been somewhere and still have done nothing," said Kelly, who also indicates that the illegal dump in Matadera still used. "And there is debris burning."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/123609-former-judge-robbers-passed-away

Former judge Robbers passed away         

MONDAY, 13 AUGUST 2012 11:53

ORANJESTAD — Former senior judge Frans Robbers passed away last week. Lawyer Hans Sjiem Fat remembers Robbers as an excellent judge, but also a very serious person, who truly loved the island but kept his distance.Lawyer Ricardo Yarzagaray informed the Amigoe of the judge’s death. “He was one of the first senior judges on the island and known as a striking personality”, said Yarzagaray. Robbers acted as senior judge on Aruba in the seventies and eighties. I remember him as one of the best judges we’ve ever had. His judgments were detailed, well motivated and well written”, said lawyer Sjiem Fat. Also during the rebellion in 1977, Robbers had chaired several civil and criminal cases, including the one against MEP-leader Betico Croes, who told the judge at the time ‘The people will judge you’, Sjiem Fat recalls. Robbers had stayed on as judge on Aruba for a long time. Sjiem Fat: “Nowadays judges can stay on as long as they wish but after four years they lose their authority as judge in the Netherlands. That was not the case in those years, so Robbers had stayed on for a long time.” Robbers and his family really loved the island and the couple stayed on Aruba until the children left to study in the Netherlands. “They returned to the island regularly to spend their holiday”, said Sjiem Fat. He experienced Frans Robbers as a very serious person. “He was very discreet and remembered this was a small community. For instance, he never attended social events to keep a certain distance. The judges nowadays have a different opinion”, said Sjiem Fat. Frans Robbers will be buried in the Netherlands this week.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/avdsart

Anitart
August 7
Back from my trip through the Andes. I feel inspired to make many new things..........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/avdsart

Anitart
August 7
Back from my trip through the Andes. I feel inspired to make many new things..........

Yeah she was in Peru.  Wonder if she visited her "sporter"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 15, 2012, 04:05:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/avdsart

Anitart
August 7
Back from my trip through the Andes. I feel inspired to make many new things..........

Yeah she was in Peru.  Wonder if she visited her "sporter"

That crap Anita calls art always looks wiccan creepy to me. She seems to love that witch doctor vibe.

I work every day on being a better Christian... but still, I literally wake up each day hoping she face plants on concrete.

I will keep on working on it. God doesn't like ugly. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Titch on August 15, 2012, 11:10:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/avdsart

Anitart
August 7
Back from my trip through the Andes. I feel inspired to make many new things..........

Yeah she was in Peru.  Wonder if she visited her "sporter"

That crap Anita calls art always looks wiccan creepy to me. She seems to love that witch doctor vibe.

I work every day on being a better Christian... but still, I literally wake up each day hoping she face plants on concrete.

I will keep on working on it. God doesn't like ugly. ::MonkeyAngel::

Lmao! Yeah, me too! This might call for a falling face planting AVDS monkey.

Hiya long lost monkey friends!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 15, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
Titch!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 15, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
Heya Titch!  Good to see you!  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 15, 2012, 01:16:50 PM
 ::HelloKitty::  Hi to camochance and  our 4 Guests are viewing this topic too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 15, 2012, 04:49:35 PM
This is the type of stuff that the former mod here (who was arrested Aug7, 2012) emails using emails of other people to send viruses so you think you are receiving an email from someone you may know and you click on it. Never click on links in your emails fyt.
I'm editing the last part of the emails in case they do belong to people for their protection. I just hope that Patrick gets some serious help because some of the stuff I am reading about him seems there is a real serious problem with him. And it will only take me a nano-second to turn him in. (again) Trust it dirtbag because I'm just getting really sick of your nonsense.


FW:
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Hi http:// pnauto.ic.cz/poganini112.html?maCID=yxre7  (edited link so nobody clicks on it - klaas)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on August 15, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::
I am lost about this comment.  Can anyone fill me in?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 15, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
I just read that a former MOD has been charged with domestic disorderly conduct
and cyberstalking in Rhode Island.   He was arrested on August 7, 2012, at 10:42PM.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I can't say that I am surprised.   It was a long time coming. ::MonkeyCool::
I am lost about this comment.  Can anyone fill me in?

He is usually referred to as "he who shall not be named", since his name cannot be
mentioned here due to his own demands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123947-nieuw-ochtendblad-aruba-awe-verschijnt-maandag

Google translation:

New Aruba Awe morning paper appears Monday         

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2012 10:45

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Awe, new Papiamento language morning newspaper, appears for the first time next Monday. It is a newspaper that "different, with depth and critical as Amigoe "says editor Julia Renfro. "So not only copying and pasting press releases, but ask questions and figure things out." Particularly in this paper is that there is also a selection of articles in Chinese, is placed.

by our reporter Alex Lacle
 

Renfro explains that part of the Chinese investors and that they want a new selection in the Chinese want. The aim is to target the Chinese on the island and give them a place in the media to indicate where they can express themselves. The Chinese at around 350 supermarkets in Aruba are therefore important for this newspaper outlets, says Renfro. Like other newspapers, they will also at various kiosks and other supermarkets are available. They also have a growing number of subscribers, says Renfro. "People who just walk into the office and want to have a subscription." The price is at the level of the other Papiamento language newspapers, let them know request.

The editor further shows that education is a priority of the newspaper. "We want the island to inform, educate. Moreover, do we have a dream team with collectively over 200 years experience. "She says that nobody realizes how hard it is to news. "But you do it with passion, something to teach. We want a serious newspaper that seeks out business. "Last night was the first proofrun says Renfro. "The rest of the week, testing and Monday we officially started."

Renfro is on the island best known as editor for newspaper Aruba Today / Bon Dia. For years she was the face to the outside world.  She gained worldwide fame during the Natalee Holloway case when she was interviewed by several American media. Since last week so they work as editor for the new newspaper. Director of Aruba Awe is Mary Grace Maduro, also from morning newspaper Bon Dia, where they have long been in management Sat According to Renfro thirteen employees are currently working on the new paper, which many former employees of Bon Dia.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2012, 08:51:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/123745-a-shift-in-the-advisory-council-

A shift in the Advisory Council         

TUESDAY, 14 AUGUST 2012 12:49

ORANJESTAD —Lawyer David Kock was sworn in as member of the Advisory Council on August 10th. Simultaneously the council bid John Kuiperdal farewell following his honorable discharge on July 6th.Kock is a well-known lawyer on the island with over twenty years of legal experience, especially in the field of criminal law, criminal adjective law and labor law. He obtained a title of Master from the University of Aruba (Aruban law) in 1992 and from the Erasmus University Rotterdam (Dutch law) in 2004. From 1994 to 1996 Kock also followed a postdoctoral course notary law at the University of the Netherlands Antilles and from 2005 to 2006 specialized in labor law at the Universidad Externado, in Bogotá, Colombia.

Career

Kock was employed with attorney’s office Swaen from 1992 up to 1996; a junior notary with notary’s office Eman from 1997 up to 1998; a partner at attorney’s office Swaen & Kock from 1998 up to 2011, and a partner at attorney’s office Hese, David Kock & Wix from 2001 up to 2004. Kock founded his own attorney’s office, David Kock Legal, in 2004. This practice has meanwhile expanded with offices on Curaçao, Bonaire, Bogotá and St. Maarten. Besides practicing as a lawyer, Kock is professor labor law at the University of Aruba.

Swearing in

The Advisory Council consists of five members, and Kock now succeeds Kuiperdal, who was councilor from October 8, 2008 up to July 6, this year.

Premier Mike Eman (AVP); chairman of the council Arie Swaen; adjunct-secretary Albert Braamskamp; Kock’s partner, Paola Jimenez; and director of the Governor’s Cabinet, Martijn Boelen were present when Kock was sworn in by Governor Fredis Refunjol, and Kuiperdal was bid farewell.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2012, 10:09:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123947-nieuw-ochtendblad-aruba-awe-verschijnt-maandag

Google translation:

New Aruba Awe morning paper appears Monday         

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2012 10:45

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Awe, new Papiamento language morning newspaper, appears for the first time next Monday. It is a newspaper that "different, with depth and critical as Amigoe "says editor Julia Renfro. "So not only copying and pasting press releases, but ask questions and figure things out." Particularly in this paper is that there is also a selection of articles in Chinese, is placed.

by our reporter Alex Lacle
 

Renfro explains that part of the Chinese investors and that they want a new selection in the Chinese want. The aim is to target the Chinese on the island and give them a place in the media to indicate where they can express themselves. The Chinese at around 350 supermarkets in Aruba are therefore important for this newspaper outlets, says Renfro. Like other newspapers, they will also at various kiosks and other supermarkets are available. They also have a growing number of subscribers, says Renfro. "People who just walk into the office and want to have a subscription." The price is at the level of the other Papiamento language newspapers, let them know request.

The editor further shows that education is a priority of the newspaper. "We want the island to inform, educate. Moreover, do we have a dream team with collectively over 200 years experience. "She says that nobody realizes how hard it is to news. "But you do it with passion, something to teach. We want a serious newspaper that seeks out business. "Last night was the first proofrun says Renfro. "The rest of the week, testing and Monday we officially started."

Renfro is on the island best known as editor for newspaper Aruba Today / Bon Dia. For years she was the face to the outside world.  She gained worldwide fame during the Natalee Holloway case when she was interviewed by several American media. Since last week so they work as editor for the new newspaper. Director of Aruba Awe is Mary Grace Maduro, also from morning newspaper Bon Dia, where they have long been in management Sat According to Renfro thirteen employees are currently working on the new paper, which many former employees of Bon Dia.



 ::snipping2::

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Awe, new Papiamento language morning newspaper, appears for the first time next Monday. It is a newspaper that "different, with depth and critical as Amigoe "says editor Julia Renfro. "So not only copying and pasting press releases, but ask questions and figure things out." Particularly in this paper is that there is also a selection of articles in BS, is placed (because that's the only language Renfro speaks fluently).

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 15, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2012, 10:28:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/123745-a-shift-in-the-advisory-council-

A shift in the Advisory Council         

TUESDAY, 14 AUGUST 2012 12:49

ORANJESTAD —Lawyer David Kock was sworn in as member of the Advisory Council on August 10th. Simultaneously the council bid John Kuiperdal farewell following his honorable discharge on July 6th.Kock is a well-known lawyer on the island with over twenty years of legal experience, especially in the field of criminal law, criminal adjective law and labor law. He obtained a title of Master from the University of Aruba (Aruban law) in 1992 and from the Erasmus University Rotterdam (Dutch law) in 2004. From 1994 to 1996 Kock also followed a postdoctoral course notary law at the University of the Netherlands Antilles and from 2005 to 2006 specialized in labor law at the Universidad Externado, in Bogotá, Colombia.

Career

Kock was employed with attorney’s office Swaen from 1992 up to 1996; a junior notary with notary’s office Eman from 1997 up to 1998; a partner at attorney’s office Swaen & Kock from 1998 up to 2011, and a partner at attorney’s office Hese, David Kock & Wix from 2001 up to 2004. Kock founded his own attorney’s office, David Kock Legal, in 2004. This practice has meanwhile expanded with offices on Curaçao, Bonaire, Bogotá and St. Maarten. Besides practicing as a lawyer, Kock is professor labor law at the University of Aruba.

Swearing in

The Advisory Council consists of five members, and Kock now succeeds Kuiperdal, who was councilor from October 8, 2008 up to July 6, this year.

Premier Mike Eman (AVP); chairman of the council Arie Swaen; adjunct-secretary Albert Braamskamp; Kock’s partner, Paola Jimenez; and director of the Governor’s Cabinet, Martijn Boelen were present when Kock was sworn in by Governor Fredis Refunjol, and Kuiperdal was bid farewell.

There is a connection between David Kock and Joran van der Sloot/Paulus van der Sloot.  Could it be there be a connection between Paola Jimenez (David Kock's partner) and Jose Luis Jimenez (Joran van der Sloot's attorne)?

Janet

++++++

BIG WIN

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client.  If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


EXCESSIVE PRIVILEGES

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years


<snipped>

A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

<snipped>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2012, 10:38:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/123947-nieuw-ochtendblad-aruba-awe-verschijnt-maandag

Google translation:

New Aruba Awe morning paper appears Monday         

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2012 10:45

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Awe, new Papiamento language morning newspaper, appears for the first time next Monday. It is a newspaper that "different, with depth and critical as Amigoe "says editor Julia Renfro. "So not only copying and pasting press releases, but ask questions and figure things out." Particularly in this paper is that there is also a selection of articles in Chinese, is placed.

by our reporter Alex Lacle
 

Renfro explains that part of the Chinese investors and that they want a new selection in the Chinese want. The aim is to target the Chinese on the island and give them a place in the media to indicate where they can express themselves. The Chinese at around 350 supermarkets in Aruba are therefore important for this newspaper outlets, says Renfro. Like other newspapers, they will also at various kiosks and other supermarkets are available. They also have a growing number of subscribers, says Renfro. "People who just walk into the office and want to have a subscription." The price is at the level of the other Papiamento language newspapers, let them know request.

The editor further shows that education is a priority of the newspaper. "We want the island to inform, educate. Moreover, do we have a dream team with collectively over 200 years experience. "She says that nobody realizes how hard it is to news. "But you do it with passion, something to teach. We want a serious newspaper that seeks out business. "Last night was the first proofrun says Renfro. "The rest of the week, testing and Monday we officially started."

Renfro is on the island best known as editor for newspaper Aruba Today / Bon Dia. For years she was the face to the outside world.  She gained worldwide fame during the Natalee Holloway case when she was interviewed by several American media. Since last week so they work as editor for the new newspaper. Director of Aruba Awe is Mary Grace Maduro, also from morning newspaper Bon Dia, where they have long been in management Sat According to Renfro thirteen employees are currently working on the new paper, which many former employees of Bon Dia.



 ::snipping2::

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Awe, new Papiamento language morning newspaper, appears for the first time next Monday. It is a newspaper that "different, with depth and critical as Amigoe "says editor Julia Renfro. "So not only copying and pasting press releases, but ask questions and figure things out." Particularly in this paper is that there is also a selection of articles in BS, is placed (because that's the only language Renfro speaks fluently).

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

::rhino::  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 15, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
Klaas
  I just got an email from Rob(Zoltan Zion) titled Re:O. There is a link in the email.
 I see you got one also. Do you think it is really from Rob. I'm afraid to click on the link until I know for sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2012, 06:45:18 AM
Klaas
  I just got an email from Rob(Zoltan Zion) titled Re:O. There is a link in the email.
 I see you got one also. Do you think it is really from Rob. I'm afraid to click on the link until I know for sure.

I'm not Klaas, but if it were me I wouldn't click on any link.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Klaas
  I just got an email from Rob(Zoltan Zion) titled Re:O. There is a link in the email.
 I see you got one also. Do you think it is really from Rob. I'm afraid to click on the link until I know for sure.

Do not click on the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2012, 10:10:23 AM
Speaking of domestic terrorists, he used to live with his elderly father.  I sure hope the father was not the victim of the domestic assault or whatever happened.  But nothing would surprise me from that character.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 16, 2012, 01:09:16 PM
Klaas
  I just got an email from Rob(Zoltan Zion) titled Re:O. There is a link in the email.
 I see you got one also. Do you think it is really from Rob. I'm afraid to click on the link until I know for sure.

Do not click on the link.



Thanks Klaas and San
I didn't click. I don't know what I was thinking. Late night I guess. I don't click on a link in an email ever, unless it's from a trusted source. I had never gotten an email from Rob before, that I can remember, so I should have known someting was up.


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Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2012, 11:54:48 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51525:prome-borchi-di-advertencia-poni-na-baby-beach&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

in less cu one week borchinan of seguridad y reglanan poni at baby beach

thursday, 16 august 2012 11:52

after cu week happen minister otmar oduber y minister mike de meza was present together cu various departamento entrenan dow at baby beach already end owing to cuminsa see movecion. this is trabaonan for ilustra on reglanan y advertencianan of the pliger cu have for cierto area at baby beach. not only the blackboard of indicacion is ilustra on the coriente saliendo for of the mouth of baby beach but also another reglanan cu usuarionan have to as cuenta cune. several local y tourist owing to lose they life during ultimo anjanan in the area here. finalmente never is late for actua y pesey self owing to dicidi cu now if is instant for place all the indicacionnan for esnan cu arrive know till where they can arrive. in lama also will place cierto material cu mensahenan cla for show esnan in water cu have danger because the coriente can is strong in water. dow was trahado strong poniendo the first borchinan diahuebs morning y owing to succeed stay cla also. insistencia of the two ministernan owing to place the cos march more liher according marlon jacobs of dow. in combersacion the same boss of dow owing to splica also cu in two day the compania owing to work the borchinan. pesey self owing to go over rapidamente for place they. of the form here can see cu have trip hour hinca cierto trabaonan in hand of cierto departamento the cosnan is stick. as is miss of boluntad or another motibonan cu is place the cosnan go so. in the caso here owing to stay demostra cu cosnan can go rapidamente. is wait for cu the borchinan here can help y so evita cu we will stay achieve noticianan desagradable.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.aug.16.baby_beach.front.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.aug.16.baby_beach.Baby%20Beach%20(10).jpg)

More pictures at link.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2012/08/cooperacion-entre-husticia-di-canada-y-aruba-lo-por-conduci-na-haya-sa-e-causa-di-morto-di-canades-john-maas/

Papiamentu translation:

cooperacion among husticia of canada y aruba will can conduci at achieve know the cause of dead of canades john maas

publication: thursday, 16 august 2012.

categoria: judicial instant oportuno for rebiba caso…

oranjestad (aan): is of aplaudi, cu husticia of aruba owing to give his cooperacion cu canada for owing to captura one man canades for her worde take away back his country. hour the version here owing to become conoci y publica in the medio here owing to arise the next question relaciona cu one caso cual till still ministerio of aruba not owing to ricibi cooperacion of canada for one muher sospechoso also return aruba for give cuenta at husticia aruban. at various ocasion daily paper owing to beat cabez of husticia tocante of one caso cual is smell at crimen. is deal from here of john maas cu was owner of one pet shop cu was carga the name aruba pamperd pet. john owing to fayece all the time y esnan cu conoce, not owing to confia hour they owing to come hear, cu past owing to die one dead natural, porciento dead natural do not existi according experto. y according informe at various ocasion owing to beat at door of ministerio publico tocante of caso john, after some, fiscal owing to ask for expertonan dutch of the forense instituut for come aruba for revisa the curpa of john cual is bury in santa catolico at paradera. the investigacion owing to conduci after cu owing to achieve evidencia cu john not owing to die as know worde expresa of one dead natural. cu another word the will is smell in direccion of one crimen. this is nifica cu suspicion owing to arise cu will have cu interoga one or more person relaciona cu dead of john. while the casa or the muher of john owing to bandona aruba y owing to bay live at his country natal cu is canada. the time ey according informe, was dificil for her casa, ex casa or muher can come give cuenta at husticia of aruba for motibo not have convenio of extradicion cu the country provided that cuestion. or husticia of aruba, owing to abort or not owing to follow for persisti for succeed for autoridad canades sikiera worde convenci for her muher sospechoso return aruba for her give cuenta at investigadornan. consecuentemente, the caso will can worde considera because; “misterioso” y cu the posibilidad, never the will worde soluciona. recien owing to present one instant oportuno, cu or.m. can owing to probecha for owing to delibera the asunto here for owing to ask about autoridad canades for her muher sospechoso canades, for her come aruba relaciona cu dead of john. but have speranza, cu never do not late, for ministerio publico can take away still combersacion or consulta cu autoridad of canada, debi at the contactonan recien among canada y aruba.


https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=25807

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 27 OCTOBER 1999 under serial number 25346.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
ARUBA PAMPERED PETS N.V.
 
Business address   ITALIESTRAAT 20, ORANJESTAD WEST   
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY   
Name of the company   ARUBA PAMPERED PETS N.V.   
Statutory seat   ARUBA   
Date of incorporation   26 OCTOBER 1999   
Last amendment in the articles   06 OCTOBER 2003   
        
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 80,000.00   
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 16,000.00   
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 16,000.00   
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER   
 

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
________________________________________
MAST, MARJORIE MARIE;
      
Born in   CANADA, ELROSE on 16 APRIL 1955   
Nationality   CANADIAN   
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR   
Effective   05 MARCH 2001   
Authority   FULL   
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
________________________________________
A. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN DIEREN VERZORGENDE INSTELLINGEN, WAARONDER MEDE BEGREPEN DE HANDEL IN DIERENVOEDSEL, DIERENVERZORGINGSARTIKELEN, DIERENBENODIGHEDEN EN LECTUUR OVER DIEREN, MET DIEN VERSTANDE DE HANDEL VAN AL HETGEEN IN ZOGENAAMDE PETSHOPS WORDEN VERHANDELD. B. HET TRAINEN VAN DIEREN EN HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN IN HET TRAINEN VAN DIEREN EN HET VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN OP HET GEBIED VAN DIEREN IDENTIFICATIE. C. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN HONDEN KENNEL EN HET ZORGEN VAN HONDEN. D. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN KLINIEK VOOR DE HEROPVOEDING VAN HONDEN.

Google translation:

A. EXERCISING AN ANIMAL CARE INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING TRADE IN FOOD ANIMALS, PETS Care, Supplies PETS AND ANIMALS ON READING WITH UNDERSTANDING THE MARKETING OF ALL MATTERS TO BE CALLED PETSHOPS TRADED. B. TRAINING OF ANIMALS AND GIVING LESSONS IN THE TRAINING OF ANIMALS AND THE PROVISION OF SERVICES IN THE FIELD OF ANIMAL IDENTIFICATION. C. KEEPING OF DOGS KENNEL AND THE CARE OF DOGS. D. THE EXERCISE OF A CLINIC FOR DOGS reeducation.
      

Older Registry Entry...

https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=25400

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 JULY 1999 under serial number 24969.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ARUBA PAMPERED PETS
 
Business address   ITALIESTRAAT 20, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   ARUBA PAMPERED PETS
Date of commencement   01 SEPTEMBER 1999
    
 
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 28 FEBRUARY 2001

OWNERS/PARTNERS

VROLIJK, RUDOLF HAROLD;
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 22 DECEMBER 1955
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   20 JULY 1999
Authority   FULL
 
MAST, JOHANNES;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, GRONINGEN on 12 FEBRUARY 1943
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PROXY
Effective   04 OCTOBER 1999
Authority   FULL
 
MAST, MARJORIE MARIE;
Born in   CANADA, ELROSE on 16 APRIL 1955
Nationality   CANADIAN
Position   PROXY
Effective   04 OCTOBER 1999
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A. HET TRAINEN VAN HONDEN EN'HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN DAARIN;
B. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN HONDENKENNEL EN'T VERZORGEN VAN HONDEN;
C. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN KLINIEK VOOR DE HEROPVOEDING VAN HONDEN;
D. DE KLEINHANDEL IN HONDEN EN ANDERE LEVENDE DIEREN, DIERENVOEDSEL, DIERENVERZORGINGSARTIKELEN, DIERENBENODIGDHEDEN EN LECTUUR IN DIEREN.

Google translation:

A. THE TRAINING OF DOGS EN'HET GIVING LESSONS IN IT;
B. HOLDING A dog kennel EN'T CARE OF DOGS;
C. HOLDING OF A CLINIC FOR DOGS reeducation;
D. RETAIL IN DOGS AND OTHER ANIMALS, FOOD ANIMALS, PETS Care, Pet AND LITERATURE IN ANIMALS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 17, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/124073-billion-dollar-lawsuit-against-the-refinery

Billion dollar lawsuit against the refinery       
Thursday, 16 August 2012 12:04
 
ORANJESTAD — A group of concerned citizens want to press charges again the refinery in San Nicolas because of pollution and damaging consequences to health. Lawyer John Zara, who says the group hired him, speaks of the ‘billion dollar lawsuit against the refinery’.

However, who’s behind this Zara refused to say this morning after he made an appeal in the media earlier, announcing the lawsuit and inciting citizens to report and take part. Nobody had reported this morning, he said. Nevertheless, he certainly expects this to happen and when asked if the lawsuit will actually take place, he said “Without doubt.” As yet, the lawyer doesn’t wish to disclose anything about the group that had approached him. While offering no clarity on the exact size of this group, he said there were certainly more than ten citizens. “It’s actually already a large group.”

In his appeal in the media, he also criticizes the government, stating the latter invested substantially in the half of the island because of ‘valuable tourism’, while the other half of Aruba is polluted in an ‘unthinkable and inhuman way’. Especially children from this side of Aruba are victim and the number of cases of cancer has increased ‘drastically’, according to the accusers. Also other sicknesses are ‘directly the result of serious air pollution’ as those living in Pos Chiquito, Savaneta and San Nicolas experience continuously.
  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 17, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2012/08/cooperacion-entre-husticia-di-canada-y-aruba-lo-por-conduci-na-haya-sa-e-causa-di-morto-di-canades-john-maas/

Papiamentu translation:

cooperacion among husticia of canada y aruba will can conduci at achieve know the cause of dead of canades john maas

publication: thursday, 16 august 2012.

categoria: judicial instant oportuno for rebiba caso…

oranjestad (aan): is of aplaudi, cu husticia of aruba owing to give his cooperacion cu canada for owing to captura one man canades for her worde take away back his country. hour the version here owing to become conoci y publica in the medio here owing to arise the next question relaciona cu one caso cual till still ministerio of aruba not owing to ricibi cooperacion of canada for one muher sospechoso also return aruba for give cuenta at husticia aruban. at various ocasion daily paper owing to beat cabez of husticia tocante of one caso cual is smell at crimen. is deal from here of john maas cu was owner of one pet shop cu was carga the name aruba pamperd pet. john owing to fayece all the time y esnan cu conoce, not owing to confia hour they owing to come hear, cu past owing to die one dead natural, porciento dead natural do not existi according experto. y according informe at various ocasion owing to beat at door of ministerio publico tocante of caso john, after some, fiscal owing to ask for expertonan dutch of the forense instituut for come aruba for revisa the curpa of john cual is bury in santa catolico at paradera. the investigacion owing to conduci after cu owing to achieve evidencia cu john not owing to die as know worde expresa of one dead natural. cu another word the will is smell in direccion of one crimen. this is nifica cu suspicion owing to arise cu will have cu interoga one or more person relaciona cu dead of john. while the casa or the muher of john owing to bandona aruba y owing to bay live at his country natal cu is canada. the time ey according informe, was dificil for her casa, ex casa or muher can come give cuenta at husticia of aruba for motibo not have convenio of extradicion cu the country provided that cuestion. or husticia of aruba, owing to abort or not owing to follow for persisti for succeed for autoridad canades sikiera worde convenci for her muher sospechoso return aruba for her give cuenta at investigadornan. consecuentemente, the caso will can worde considera because; “misterioso” y cu the posibilidad, never the will worde soluciona. recien owing to present one instant oportuno, cu or.m. can owing to probecha for owing to delibera the asunto here for owing to ask about autoridad canades for her muher sospechoso canades, for her come aruba relaciona cu dead of john. but have speranza, cu never do not late, for ministerio publico can take away still combersacion or consulta cu autoridad of canada, debi at the contactonan recien among canada y aruba.


https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=25807

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 27 OCTOBER 1999 under serial number 25346.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
ARUBA PAMPERED PETS N.V.
 
Business address   ITALIESTRAAT 20, ORANJESTAD WEST   
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY   
Name of the company   ARUBA PAMPERED PETS N.V.   
Statutory seat   ARUBA   
Date of incorporation   26 OCTOBER 1999   
Last amendment in the articles   06 OCTOBER 2003   
        
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 80,000.00   
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 16,000.00   
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 16,000.00   
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER   
 

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
________________________________________
MAST, MARJORIE MARIE;
      
Born in   CANADA, ELROSE on 16 APRIL 1955   
Nationality   CANADIAN   
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR   
Effective   05 MARCH 2001   
Authority   FULL   
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
________________________________________
A. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN DIEREN VERZORGENDE INSTELLINGEN, WAARONDER MEDE BEGREPEN DE HANDEL IN DIERENVOEDSEL, DIERENVERZORGINGSARTIKELEN, DIERENBENODIGHEDEN EN LECTUUR OVER DIEREN, MET DIEN VERSTANDE DE HANDEL VAN AL HETGEEN IN ZOGENAAMDE PETSHOPS WORDEN VERHANDELD. B. HET TRAINEN VAN DIEREN EN HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN IN HET TRAINEN VAN DIEREN EN HET VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN OP HET GEBIED VAN DIEREN IDENTIFICATIE. C. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN HONDEN KENNEL EN HET ZORGEN VAN HONDEN. D. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN KLINIEK VOOR DE HEROPVOEDING VAN HONDEN.

Google translation:

A. EXERCISING AN ANIMAL CARE INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING TRADE IN FOOD ANIMALS, PETS Care, Supplies PETS AND ANIMALS ON READING WITH UNDERSTANDING THE MARKETING OF ALL MATTERS TO BE CALLED PETSHOPS TRADED. B. TRAINING OF ANIMALS AND GIVING LESSONS IN THE TRAINING OF ANIMALS AND THE PROVISION OF SERVICES IN THE FIELD OF ANIMAL IDENTIFICATION. C. KEEPING OF DOGS KENNEL AND THE CARE OF DOGS. D. THE EXERCISE OF A CLINIC FOR DOGS reeducation.
      

Older Registry Entry...

https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=25400

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 JULY 1999 under serial number 24969.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ARUBA PAMPERED PETS
 
Business address   ITALIESTRAAT 20, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   ARUBA PAMPERED PETS
Date of commencement   01 SEPTEMBER 1999
    
 
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 28 FEBRUARY 2001

OWNERS/PARTNERS

VROLIJK, RUDOLF HAROLD;
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 22 DECEMBER 1955
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   20 JULY 1999
Authority   FULL
 
MAST, JOHANNES;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, GRONINGEN on 12 FEBRUARY 1943
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PROXY
Effective   04 OCTOBER 1999
Authority   FULL
 
MAST, MARJORIE MARIE;
Born in   CANADA, ELROSE on 16 APRIL 1955
Nationality   CANADIAN
Position   PROXY
Effective   04 OCTOBER 1999
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A. HET TRAINEN VAN HONDEN EN'HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN DAARIN;
B. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN HONDENKENNEL EN'T VERZORGEN VAN HONDEN;
C. HET HOUDEN VAN EEN KLINIEK VOOR DE HEROPVOEDING VAN HONDEN;
D. DE KLEINHANDEL IN HONDEN EN ANDERE LEVENDE DIEREN, DIERENVOEDSEL, DIERENVERZORGINGSARTIKELEN, DIERENBENODIGDHEDEN EN LECTUUR IN DIEREN.

Google translation:

A. THE TRAINING OF DOGS EN'HET GIVING LESSONS IN IT;
B. HOLDING A dog kennel EN'T CARE OF DOGS;
C. HOLDING OF A CLINIC FOR DOGS reeducation;
D. RETAIL IN DOGS AND OTHER ANIMALS, FOOD ANIMALS, PETS Care, Pet AND LITERATURE IN ANIMALS.



 :rendeer:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 05:11:30 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51557:marina-ta-intercepta-gran-cantidad-di-droga&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

navy is intercepta great cantidad of drugs

friday, 17 august 2012 08:09

in cuadro cu the operacion of combatimento drugs in the region of caribe, operacion martillo can registra one another exito. the barco of navy regal hr. ms. tromp owing to registra end of june cu owing to intercepta 2000 kilo of drugs. relaciona cu one follow up y operacionnan coriente, more informacion not can owing to wordo divulga.

after of owing to detecta one “go fast”, esta one speed boat of drugs, for of the centro of operacion parera at corsou owing to cuminsa cu one operacion of buskeda. several unidad internacional maritimo y of aviacion, among they the plane of patrol marino of kustwacht dash 8 y hr.ms. tromp cu have abordo the helicopter belgian alouette, owing to follow cu one persecucion espectacular on the “go fast”, cu owing to mobilisa on great velocidad. esey owing to haci cu the tripulacion of the speedboat owing to throw the contrabanda at water. owing to base of the calculacionnan of the law enforcement team mericano, cu during the operacion here owing to embarca one overall of 2000 kilo of cocaina owing to bordo of hr.ms. tromp.

commandant der zeemacht in the area of caribe, brigade-generaal der mariniers, dick swijgman is one of the subcomandantenan cu is form part of the joint interagency force south, cu is lidera the operacion. swijgman, that also is director of kustwacht of the area of caribe owing to tell cu the reciente intercepcion for combatimento of drugs in the region, one great exito. “durante the accion here, partnernan internacional, kustwacht of area of caribe y navy regal, owing to work schouder cu schouder, el’a show.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
http://www.chron.com/sports/article/The-late-Roundfield-goes-into-Michigan-Sports-Hall-3794554.php

The late Roundfield goes into Michigan Sports Hall
Updated 8:55 p.m., Thursday, August 16, 2012

DETROIT (AP) — The Michigan Sports Hall of Fame posthumously inducted three-time NBA All-Star Dan Roundfield on Thursday night.

Roundfield drowned earlier this month while helping his wife in rough water off the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The Detroiter attended Central Michigan and played for the Pistons, Indiana, Atlanta and Washington. He was among those honored at the Gem Theatre in Detroit.

"I got to know Dan Roundfield the man and he was such a giving and great person," former Pistons player Rick Mahorn said. "On the court, he was a true professional and a really good player.

"His unfortunate passing was a great loss for his family, Detroit, the NBA and Central Michigan."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
http://caribbeancelebs.com/2011/11/21/gregory-halman-baseball-player-with-aruba-roots-stabbed-to-death-by-brother/

Gregory Halman, baseball player with Aruba roots stabbed to death by brother
november 21, 2011 by ayeola

Seattle Mariners star outfielder Gregory Halman was stabbed to death by his brother in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, early this morning. According to UK’s The Daily Mail , Halman was home with a female friend. He went to his brothers apartment (which was below his) to complain about loud music. An argument ensued and Gregory was stabbed to death. His friend called police to his home around 5:40 a.m. where officers found the 24-year-old star bleeding from his wounds.

Halman was rushed to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. His brother, Jason Halman (inset), was arrested at the house, according to a police spokesperson.

 ::snipping2::

The brothers have a long history with baseball. Their father Eddy Halman who is from Aruba played for the Dutch national team in 1979. Greg made his debut aged 16 in 2003 with the Dutch major league team Corendon Kinheim in his home town of Haarlem. A year later, he moved to the U.S. after signing with the Seattle Mariners.

His brother, Jason, also played professional baseball in the Netherlands..

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/grote-belangstelling-voor-afscheid-gregory-halman

Google translation:

Great interest farewell Gregory Halman
Published on: November 27, 2011 - 6:34 pm | by Editorial Caribiana ( photo: Sam Jones Productions )

Arubans, Antilleans, Dutch and especially many baseball fans with red baseball caps. Nearly 400 people arrived Sunday to say goodbye to baseball legend Gregory Halman. Halman came last week in Rotterdam by stabbing life. His brother Jason was arrested in connection therewith and is still being held.

Gregory Halman was in baseball uniform laid out in the Kinheim hall beside the Pim Mulier Stadium in his hometown Haarlem. Around the coffin were baseball bats and other baseball attributes. The coffin itself was in a batting cage on a piece of grass. Left hung the Aruban flag, right the Dutch. The speakers sounded hiphop and Dutch music.

Talents
His father is excited praised the talent of his two sons. Talents where the world would like to have more of. About his son Jason says that he is confused. Lawyer Jason, Frits Huizinga, confirms that. It was quite a while not good with Jason. That was even been reason for Gregory to a week before his death by his brother to live.

The night was conscious Gregory and his girlfriend go to sleep as soon as his brother was asleep, says the lawyer. Then again, Jason woke up and without a key by the door. After banging on the door, let him in Gregory then again to sleep. Then he was awakened by the loud music that Jason had turned.

A stitch
When Gregory Halman what did say that loud music, his brother Jason him probably with a stab to death. According Frits Huizinga was his client at the time of the act by reason of insanity and he does not know why he would have come to his act.

The Surinamese Deci squad was the primary caretaker of Gregory. As has already been shown that he has a good future was sporting. He succeeded his father, who also played baseball. Mers knows the family as a quiet and close-knit family. The father of the brothers Jason hopes that the work of Gregory continues, but the concierge fears that difficult. "These parents have lost two children at once.''

Funeral
Gregory Halman is Tuesday, November 29 at Westerveld Cemetery in Driehuis buried. The funeral ceremony starts at 13.00. The family calls interested baseball fans to wear a baseball cap. Preferably a red.

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/jason-halman-vrij-na-moord-op-broer-gregory

Google translation:

Jason Halman free after murdering brother Gregory

Published: August 16, 2012 - 2:21 pm | By Editorial Aworaki ( www.wikipedia.nl / Gregory_Halman )

Jason Halman, his brother Gregory last year on 21 November at the life brought by the court in Rotterdam Thursday set free. According to the Pieter Baan Centre Jason was at the time of the murder, insanity. The court would be a good idea if Jason seeking help for his mental problems.

Thursday morning was the case against Jason substantively addressed. The prosecution argued that the accused should be released immediately and the judge agreed. The prosecutor stated at the beginning of the case that all of the "jet-black day of 21 November only losers".

Jason would have his brother stabbed to death after an argument to a radio too loud. According to the Pieter Baan Centre Jason came by his act because he was in a psychosis lands. The cause is under psychiatric observation clinic to find a combination of dope and other factors.

To prevent Jason ever gets into a psychosis, the officer asked him to voluntarily seek help from a mental health institution. The probation wants Jason guidance and inspection. This opinion is not a special condition for release.

Family and friends reacted with relief at the release.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/8/16/3247157/greg-halman-murder-suspect-released-mariners

Greg Halman's Brother, Suspect In Murder, Released
by Ernie Pomin • Aug 16, 2012 9:39 AM PDT

The shock of former Seattle Mariners  outfielder Greg Halman's  murder has not completely worn off, and in a quick turn of events in the Netherlands a Dutch court has ordered Halman's brother, the chief suspect in the case, be released from prison  after the prosecutors and defense alike asked for his acquittal of manslaughter charges.

Jason Halman is thought to have fatally stabbed his older brother after the two had a scuffle over some loud music back on Nov. 21, 2011. During Halman's trial, psychiatrists claimed that he was having a psychotic episode at the time of the incident, which took place in an apartment they were living in at the time in Rotterdam.

Judges at the Rotterdam District Court are expected to rule on Halman's case on August 30.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/16-08-2012/jason-halman-op-vrije-voeten-moordzaak

Google translation:

Jason Halman at liberty homicide

08.16.2012 | 12:25   by Paul Verspeek
 
The judge in Rotterdam Jason Halman, who is suspected of killing his brother Greg, set free. In two weeks, followed by a final judgment in this case.

The release came after both the prosecutor and the lawyer Jason had said that a prison or treatment at issue. Experts have determined that the suspect on November 21, 2011 had a psychosis. He has his brother then with a knife stabbed in the neck in their house at the Jan Sonjéstraat in Rotterdam. Brothers together forever Gregory Halman was a famous baseball player who played in the American Major League. When the season was over, he went to live with his brother. Jason: "We were always together, we were each other's greatest friends. I was so happy that he was back from the U.S.."

The 23-year-old Jason was already a few weeks into the war and felt gloomy. Possible that his cannabis use has contributed to the development of psychosis. "We also used cannabis together. Mornings Greg and I went to the gym and in the afternoon we sat at home playing games and used cannabis".

"Psychosis possible single"
According to experts, Jason insanity by the psychosis. Therefore he can not get prison. Treatment is not possible, because there are no specific problems are identified. "It could well be that this psychosis once was," said the psychologist of the Pieter Baan Centre.

Jason himself has already indicated that he no longer uses cannabis and that he wants to keep contact with professionals, so that any new early psychosis can be identified.

Many family and friends in room
Family and friends of Jason and Greg, who flock to the Rotterdam court came, were happy with his release. Father Edward Halman: "I had lost two sons, now I have another back. We all love Jason. We will not blame him."

His mother was an impressive story to the judge, addressed to Jason. "We want to surround you with our love and we need your love. We do not forgive you, because we have you never been accused of something." Then she went to her son and gave him a kiss on the head.

Jason himself said that he plans as quickly as possible to work out, go play baseball. "That's important to me. I want to try to make my brother proud."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
http://arubaherald.com/911/3145-tourist-found-dead-in-room-at-hotel.html (http://arubaherald.com/911/3145-tourist-found-dead-in-room-at-hotel.html)

Tourist found dead in room at hotel

Friday, 10 August 2012 08:34

Thursday morning authorities were notified that a man was found unresponsive in a room at a hotel on Palm Beach. Authorities confiscated the body and ordered an autopsy to determine the cause of death.


https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Google translation:

Amigoe Aruba
August 10 via RSS Graffiti

In brief
Overdose A tourist was found dead yesterday morning in his hotel room at the Marriott. The Authorities have Seized the body to investigate the exact causes of death matter. There there is suspicion of an overdose. It would have said That the guest is likely to have heart problems is deceased.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 18, 2012, 01:43:03 AM
http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/163918/alistan-proyecto-ley-que-reos-extranjeros-cumplan-condena-sus-paises

Google translation

Friday August 17, 2012
Bill ready for foreign inmates serving their sentences in their countries
 
The head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Jose Luis Guadalupe Perez said that the government is preparing a bill for foreign Inmates serving sentences in their countries.
 
"We are already seeing what the best legal form: if a pardon, commutation of sentence and deportation or amnesty," he said.
 
When asked if the project would benefit prisoners as the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, said the law could not benefit inmates with lengthy and complicated.
 
"I do not think this benefit is given to anything, even more so when the United States there is an order for enforcement order," he added.
  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 18, 2012, 01:48:04 AM
http://peru21.pe/2012/08/17/actualidad/reos-extranjeros-podrian-cumplir-penas-sus-paises-2038045

Google translation

Foreign prisoners serving sentences could in their countries
Friday August 17, 2012 | 9:28

The Executive Branch is preparing a bill to allow foreign prisoners to return to their home countries to serve their sentence.
 ::snipping2::

He added that this law would not apply to inmates with long sentences and complicated processes, as Joran van der Sloot. "I do not give this benefit is even more so when the United States there is an order for enforcement order," he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2012, 10:52:21 AM
http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/163918/alistan-proyecto-ley-que-reos-extranjeros-cumplan-condena-sus-paises

Google translation

Friday August 17, 2012
Bill ready for foreign inmates serving their sentences in their countries
 
The head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Jose Luis Guadalupe Perez  said that the government is preparing a bill for foreign Inmates serving sentences in their countries.
 
"We are already seeing what the best legal form: if a pardon, commutation of sentence and deportation or amnesty," he said.
 
When asked if the project would benefit prisoners as the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, said the law could not benefit inmates with lengthy and complicated.
 
"I do not think this benefit is given to anything, even more so when the United States there is an order for enforcement order," he added.

  ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace

This bill is sweeter than Peru's May 2011 extradition treaty agreement with the Netherlands ... the extradition treaty that requires a Dutch/Peruvian convict to serve his/her sentence in a lockup in his/her respective country.

I hope the words of Jose Luis Guadalupe Perez are correct ... the words that imply Joran van der Sloot would not be eligible under this bill for "a pardon, commutation of sentence and deportation or amnesty" afforded by this bill.

I hope that Joran's reduced sentence appeal is unsuccessful and ... I hope the Peruvian Cabinet Minister overturns the Supreme Court's ruling and Joran can be immediately extradicted to Alabama to face the extortion charges.

I can hope but ... what will be will be.

Janet

Pwru, Netherlands agree extradition treaty
14/05/2011


http://www.andina.com.pe/ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5iygkT4lzq8=

s.t.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 18, 2012, 02:50:11 PM


http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/grote-belangstelling-voor-afscheid-gregory-halman

Google translation:

Great interest farewell Gregory Halman
Published on: November 27, 2011 - 6:34 pm | by

http://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/16-08-2012/jason-halman-op-vrije-voeten-moordzaak

Google translation:

Jason Halman at liberty homicide

08.16.2012 | 12:25   by Paul Verspeek
 
The judge in Rotterdam Jason Halman, who is suspected of killing his brother Greg, set free. In two weeks, followed by a final judgment in this case.

The release came after both the prosecutor and the lawyer Jason had said that a prison or treatment at issue. Experts have determined that the suspect on November 21, 2011 had a psychosis. He has his brother then with a knife stabbed in the neck in their house at the Jan Sonjéstraat in Rotterdam. Brothers together forever Gregory Halman was a famous baseball player who played in the American Major League. When the season was over, he went to live with his brother. Jason: "We were always together, we were each other's greatest friends. I was so happy that he was back from the U.S.."

The 23-year-old Jason was already a few weeks into the war and felt gloomy. Possible that his cannabis use has contributed to the development of psychosis. "We also used cannabis together. Mornings Greg and I went to the gym and in the afternoon we sat at home playing games and used cannabis".

"Psychosis possible single"
According to experts, Jason insanity by the psychosis. Therefore he can not get prison. Treatment is not possible, because there are no specific problems are identified. "It could well be that this psychosis once was," said the psychologist of the Pieter Baan Centre.

Jason himself has already indicated that he no longer uses cannabis and that he wants to keep contact with professionals, so that any new early psychosis can be identified.

Many family and friends in room
Family and friends of Jason and Greg, who flock to the Rotterdam court came, were happy with his release. Father Edward Halman: "I had lost two sons, now I have another back. We all love Jason. We will not blame him."

His mother was an impressive story to the judge, addressed to Jason. "We want to surround you with our love and we need your love. We do not forgive you, because we have you never been accused of something." Then she went to her son and gave him a kiss on the head.

Jason himself said that he plans as quickly as possible to work out, go play baseball. "That's important to me. I want to try to make my brother proud."

[/quote]


Is it any wonder that Joran would like to be sent to the Netherlands? He would be free before he ever got off the plane.

As for Jason Halman. I wonder if he is going to live with his parents?  They might be his next target in his next psychosis. Unbelieveable!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 18, 2012, 03:28:31 PM
Video (in Spanish) at link

http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1457094/noticia-ejecutivo-prepara-ley-que-reos-extranjeros-cumplan-penas-sus-paises

Google translation

Executive prepares law to foreign prisoners serving a sentence in their country
Friday August 17, 2012  20:25

The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, today announced that the government is preparing a bill that would allow foreign inmates serving a sentence in their home countries.

"I know that this law is ready and must go through the approval of the Executive and Congress. The discussion is the form. In Chile have put the figure of pardon and must meet certain conditions, "he said.
 ::snipping2::
Guadalupe Perez said one of the main problems to implement this is the origin of the prison population. "In November we had a meeting with 50 consuls. In Chile went ahead with that, but are different situations because 50% of inmates are foreigners in Chile and 35% Bolivian, Peruvian. They are bordering countries. In Peru, the nearly 1,500 foreign prisoners, 120 are Spanish, but we are already seeing what the best legal form. "
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2012, 04:09:59 PM



<snipped>

Google translation:

Jason Halman at liberty homicide

08.16.2012 | 12:25   by Paul Verspeek
 
The judge in Rotterdam Jason Halman, who is suspected of killing his brother Greg, set free. In two weeks, followed by a final judgment in this case.

The release came after both the prosecutor and the lawyer Jason had said that a prison or treatment at issue. Experts have determined that the suspect on November 21, 2011 had a psychosis. He has his brother then with a knife stabbed in the neck in their house at the Jan Sonjéstraat in Rotterdam.

<snipped>

Many family and friends in room

Family and friends of Jason and Greg, who flock to the Rotterdam court came, were happy with his release. Father Edward Halman: "I had lost two sons, now I have another back. We all love Jason. We will not blame him."

His mother was an impressive story to the judge, addressed to Jason. "We want to surround you with our love and we need your love. We do not forgive you, because we have you never been accused of something." Then she went to her son and gave him a kiss on the head.

<snipped>


If it were not for enabling by parents ... by the Dutch/Aruban Justice System ... maybe Joran's life would have taken a positive path and ... a young lady by the name of Stephany Flores would be pursing her dreams.  Natalee Holloway's family clearly saw the writing on the wall.

Janet

++++


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM
»

I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life?   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#


Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2012, 04:31:56 PM
The murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores could have been prevented.  Those within and associated with the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation as well as Joran van der Sloot's own parents have Stephany's blood on their hands.

Janet

++++

Five Years Later

Jun 2, 2010 1:50 pm US/CentralT
Holloway Suspect Wanted In Peruvian Murder Case


LIMA, Peru (CBS) ― The man considered the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway is wanted in Peru for the suspicion of murder, according to police officials.

Peruvian police say a young Dutchman twice arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is now a suspect in the slaying of a Peruvian woman.

Chief of detectives Col. Miguel Canlla says police are seeking Joran van der Sloot in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez in a Lima hotel.

Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday, immigration authorities told the AP, though they did not disclose his destination though Flores said it was Chile.

Canlla said that Peru was asking authorities in neighboring Chile for help in the case. He did not elaborate.

He also said police were seeking to confirm Van Der Sloot's identity with the Dutch Embassy. The embassy's head of consular affairs, Angela Lowe, said she could not comment on the case for privacy reasons.

The girl's father, Ricardo Flores, says van der Sloot appears with her in video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday. Ricardo Flores, a race car driver and well-known businessman, says his daughter was found around 8 a.m. Sunday in a hotel room splattered with blood, indicating a struggle.

CBS News' Crimesider has been told that an Aruban prosecutor described van der Sloot as being on the run, but that information has not been independently confirmed.

Early Wednesday morning, Ramirez was found dead in a hotel room located on the avenue Miraflores district of Lima, Peruvian newspaper El Comercio reports. According to police reports, the girl was brutally stabbed and was found wrapped in a blanket in a pool of blood.

According to Peruvian police, she was last seen with van der Sloot.

According to the Peruvian newspaper, the hotel room where Ramirez's body was found was registered under van der Sloot's name. Hotel employees also told police that they saw him with the girl over the weekend.

Five years ago, in May 2005, Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to Aruba. She was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar with Joran van der Sloot, who was 17 at the time. He was detained in the case several times but Aruban authorities have said they don't have enough evidence to charge him.

http://cbs11tv.com/national/joran.van.der.2.1728648.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2012, 04:39:57 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR STEPHANY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2012, 08:43:40 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2012, 06:10:40 PM
Someone has a pre-trial conference tomorrow and it's not the Kalpoes or Joran  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
http://arubaherald.com/911/3241-journalists-car-torched-.html

Journalist's car torched         

Tuesday, 21 August 2012 08:47
 
Monday around 2 a.m., reporter/photographer Nelson "Speed" Andrade was awoken by family who had noticed his car was on fire. The car had been torched in front of his house in Piedra Plat.

Despite efforts to put out the fire, it kept going until Andrade noticed a jerry can on the hood of this car and after he removed this with a  piece of wood, they finally were able to put out the fire. The battery had short circuited when gasoline got under the hood and spread the fire under the hood as well. Authorities and Nagico Insurances are investigating the intentional fire. The damage, which runs in the thousands of florin is covered by the insurance. company.

http://www.diario.aw/2012/08/candela-intencional-riba-vehiculo-di-periodista-di-diario/

candela intencional on vehiculo of journalist of daily paper

Papiamentu translation:

publication: tuesday, 21 august 2012.

categoria: policial

oranjestad(aan): one caso earnest owing to stay registra for try silencia the trabao investigativo of the journalist nelson “speed” andrade. the car of the reportero owing to worde burn intencionalmente in oranan of monday marduga fast his cas at stone plat. the was sleep at instant cu some familiar of his madam owing to core come lante for of dream saying cu the car was at candela. the instant ey already end one person neighbour was cu hoos of water in hand is try pay the candela. andrade also owing to happen hand for one hoos of water y so help pay. on the hood of car was have one jerrycan of gasolene at candela y does not owing to pay facil. owing to succeed bente this abao cu one piece tree y so succeed pay the candela cu was on the hood of the car. all the time the accumulator of the car also owing to achieve kortsluiting at instant cu the gasolene owing to core y stick also the part bao of the hood at candela. owing to succeed pay the candela totalmente y notifica autoridad cu owing to arrive at once at the lugar. polisnan owing to haci they investigacion together cu cuerpo tecnico cu owing to present same marduga monday algo happen of 2or. recherche of santa cruz did take the investigacion over for so achieve know exactly that is responsible for her acto here. have suspicion but have to more bien confirma this. esun cu owing to comete the acto here is worde considera one cobarde big because do not sufficient man for enfrenta personalmente. seguro nagico also owing to present at once at the adres y owing to haci they part investigativo. same morning owing to take away the car garage y at once owing to cuminsa analiza the damage cu is core in some thousand guilder but cu seguro will cubri.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/speed-auto1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 22, 2012, 12:11:55 AM
We have a trial starting next week. Hope we all make it through it. A new article in the paper today, if anyone is interested.

http://www.winchesterstar.com/articles/view/suspect_s_bac_in_wreck_was_0_33


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2012, 03:00:51 AM
We have a trial starting next week. Hope we all make it through it. A new article in the paper today, if anyone is interested.

http://www.winchesterstar.com/articles/view/suspect_s_bac_in_wreck_was_0_33

It's a subscriber article, so I couldn't see it.  I'm guessing the drunk driver is back in court?

You'll make it through SuzieQ, I'm praying for strength for all of you and I know other monkeys will too.

Please keep us posted.

(((HUGS)))

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2012, 07:23:03 AM
We have a trial starting next week. Hope we all make it through it. A new article in the paper today, if anyone is interested.

http://www.winchesterstar.com/articles/view/suspect_s_bac_in_wreck_was_0_33

It's a subscriber article, so I couldn't see it.  I'm guessing the drunk driver is back in court?

You'll make it through SuzieQ, I'm praying for strength for all of you and I know other monkeys will too.

Please keep us posted.

(((HUGS)))

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::justice2NJ::



SuzieQ, I'm keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 22, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
Someone has a pre-trial conference tomorrow and it's not the Kalpoes or Joran  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDevil::

He is listed on the court calendar, but I didn't see any update yet.

tick..........tock.......


http://courtconnect.courts.state.ri.us/pls/ri_adult/daily_calendar


http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=31-2012-08311&begin_date=&end_date=


http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_cpty.cp_personcase_details_idx?backto=P&soundex_ind=&partial_ind=&last_name=&first_name=&middle_name=&begin_date=&end_date=&case_type=&id_code=10239166


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 22, 2012, 11:11:16 PM
Sorry about that. Let's see if this works. I didn't want to post the whole article here.

August 21, 2012

By Melissa Boughton

The Winchester Star

       


WINCHESTER — A Frederick County man accused of causing a crash that killed a family of four in June 2011 had a blood-alcohol content of 0.33 percent, according to an amended report filed Thursday.

It was previously reported that a preliminary breath test showed Steven Andrew Boyce’s blood-alcohol level to be 0.27 percent at the time of the crash, according to court documents.

The legal limit for a person under the age of 21 to operate a vehicle in Virginia — Boyce was 20 at the time of the accident — is 0.02. The legal limit to operate a vehicle for a person 21 or older is 0.08 percent.
 ::snipping2::

Boyce — who is represented by attorneys Beau Bassler and David Hensley — is scheduled for a three-day trial on the charges beginning Aug. 29.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 23, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1022/Celebs/article/detail/3305117/2012/08/23/Terror-Jaap-herrezen-na-periode-vol-drank-en-drugs.dhtml

Google translation

Terror Jaap resurrected after a period full of drink and drugs
08/23/12 - 06:37

After a difficult period filled with drugs and alcohol is a reborn Terror Jaap from Saturday back on the tube to see. He participates in the program Stars Jumping SBS6. "The cocaine belongs to the past, I am unfortunately still addicted to cookies.

The 29-year-old Jaap Amesz does have a suspect how SBS6 with him is true. "Simple, they already had a crush, Adje, an alternative assessment, shemale Kelly van der Veer, and a pair of beautiful slim ladies. They were looking for a fat guy. "

The Golden Cage
Amesz, aka Terror Jaap, won in 2008 million in the controversial TV show The Golden Cage. Much had he eventually return: Jaap parked his money in Dirk's Scheringa DSB Bank, which went bankrupt shortly thereafter. He does not want to talk about it. "Let me just say I have to work for my money, he says in the AD."

Jaap then disappeared from the tube, in an interview with Joran van der Sloot in 2010 after. "Nobody took me seriously and the Aruban public prosecutor labeled the statement as false. When Joran that second girl killed, I was sick. Could I have prevented this? I was then far from comfortable in my skin, ate too much, got into drugs and alcohol. Here I am going to die, I thought. "
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on August 23, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
Someone has a pre-trial conference tomorrow and it's not the Kalpoes or Joran  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDevil::

looks like it's continued

PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   05-SEP-2012
3rd District Court   HOULIHAN, JUDGE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 23, 2012, 11:57:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 23, 2012, 11:59:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...




I just saw this. Wish we could get to the rest of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2012, 12:06:05 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/21/lorenzo-van-rijn-arrested-on-drug-charges-in-aruba-hmm-ya-dont-say/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/21/lorenzo-van-rijn-arrested-on-drug-charges-in-aruba-hmm-ya-dont-say/)

 10061906 on June 23rd, 2007 4:56 pm (Edit)

My original thinking was that Joarn had taken Natalee to his house in Montana. Everyone would want us to think everything happened in the northwest. I was mislead trying to fit pieces together from whatever scraps were thrown at us to try and connect the dots. The searches, the partial searches, Deepak’s car being at the van der Sloots , the monkey, the concrete work, the latest search etc. I do not believe Natalee was there on that particular night. Once outside the box things take a different perspective. The Clausen report Bulls-t. The bartender was never identified. Dave says in his book he went to the VIP and Indo restaurant and motel. The Lion’s den. The ATM withdrawals, the church, the cemetery, the funeral director and the crematorium.; all can be duplicated in the vicinity of San Nicolas. One straight path to Rave’s house. Route 1A is a straight run south about 12 kilometers towards San Nicholas taking about 20 minutes at 35kh.
Rene found in the cemetery was from San Nicolas. He worked at the Industrial Incinerator. A curve was thrown when they said he worked part time at the Oduber Hospital incinerator. Was he the only one licensed?

Does everyone remember Robert Wayne Benson. He worked at Cura Cabai.. Guess who lives about two blocks away. Lorenzo.
Branches to Paulus bank and ATM are available in San Nicolas along with the Funeral home. I picked up Joran at the McDonalds. There is one in Santa Cruz.
The VCB shirt, foam with teeth marks, sunglasses, Lysol bottle with liquid and the bloody mattress in the colony section Weg Fontein and Grapefield beach..
There is a dark side to the island maybe its also in the southeast.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2012, 12:09:59 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/19/from-diario-robert-wayne-benson-found-dead-in-aruba/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/19/from-diario-robert-wayne-benson-found-dead-in-aruba/)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on August 24, 2012, 01:18:43 AM
Maybe someone will have a conscience and have those bones tested. 

I'm really surprised that Aruba hasn't imploded from the evil.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 24, 2012, 02:11:06 AM
Someone has a pre-trial conference tomorrow and it's not the Kalpoes or Joran  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDevil::

looks like it's continued

PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   05-SEP-2012
3rd District Court   HOULIHAN, JUDGE

Does this mean he is still being held on remand?   

 ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 24, 2012, 02:16:00 AM
Maybe someone will have a conscience and have those bones tested. 

I'm really surprised that Aruba hasn't imploded from the evil.

What surprises me is that some enterprising tourism promoter has so far not advertised a package deal vacation to this crappy island which includes a fully paid funeral with all the trimmings.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Ono on August 24, 2012, 12:28:16 PM
Maybe someone will have a conscience and have those bones tested. 

I'm really surprised that Aruba hasn't imploded from the evil.

What surprises me is that some enterprising tourism promoter has so far not advertised a package deal vacation to this crappy island which includes a fully paid funeral with all the trimmings.

No kidding ...

"The Checkout Package" ...    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2012, 01:24:26 PM
More of the same article from the Amigoe Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Google translation:

Amigoe Aruba
22 hours ago via RSS Graffiti

Several skeletons in a tomb

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags with human remains. Each bag appears to be the residue of a person, and to contain up to now, there are twelve pockets. The discovery was made ​​by employees of Volksgezondhe ...
See More
Source: Amigoe Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
Someone has a pre-trial conference tomorrow and it's not the Kalpoes or Joran  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDevil::

looks like it's continued

PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   05-SEP-2012
3rd District Court   HOULIHAN, JUDGE

Does this mean he is still being held on remand?   

 ::monkeydenied::

bbm  ^^^   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Amigoe Aruba
August 18 via RSS Graffiti

Plasser in kettle hospital held

ORANGE CITY - The man in the kettle in the Chamber of the Horacio Oduber Hospital peed, was arrested. This happened after the room had a camera installed, which the perpetrator was caught. Two weeks ago, namely alarm beaten on the water in the tube. Users complained about sour tea and ...
See More
Source: Amigoe Aruba


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Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Tibro

Let me clarify my post above.  The laugh at the remand--remain in custody until trial--reminded me of it applying to JvdS in Peru and not to your question.  Of course, it might apply to "he who shall not be named," too.   ::MonkeyWink::


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Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2012, 11:21:50 PM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/1460027/noticia-eva-sicario

Google translation

Friday August 24, 2012 - 06:35
Eva and Sicario
Our columnist continues with "watchful eye" on "Fefer case."

This owl is a human rights defender and opposition to all forms of violence and abuse, even when those who have been suffering executors of criminal acts and even murder, as the inmates of the prisons. Father Hubert Lanssiers told this columnist a summer morning, while touring the crowded halls Lurigancho prison: "The civilization of a country is measured in the state prison system is." On that scale, the prisons in Peru are among the worst in the world, along with those of Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Turkey and El Salvador. Maximum security prison in Lima operated as "Piedras fat" or "Castro Castro" are not such. In maximum security prisons in America, prisoners could not have the goodies that had Antauro. iPod, cellular and female visitors every day. Or as Tijero Lucio, who had a cell with marble floors, cable TV and even chef. In "Stones fat", the confessed murderer of businesswoman Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, "Clown", lived a great life with their peers, the murderers of Peru: Joran Van Der Sloot and William Trickett. They played casinos, took pictures on the cell phone of a security guard!
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 24, 2012, 11:26:57 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Amigoe Aruba
August 18 via RSS Graffiti

Plasser in kettle hospital held

ORANGE CITY - The man in the kettle in the Chamber of the Horacio Oduber Hospital peed, was arrested. This happened after the room had a camera installed, which the perpetrator was caught. Two weeks ago, namely alarm beaten on the water in the tube. Users complained about sour tea and ...
See More
Source: Amigoe Aruba


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 24, 2012, 11:48:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Wouldn't they have to check this out, and yes, I understand it is Aruba. But.....wouldn't they need to know?  this makes me sick to my stomach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 24, 2012, 11:55:56 PM
Tibro

Let me clarify my post above.  The laugh at the remand--remain in custody until trial--reminded me of it applying to JvdS in Peru and not to your question.  Of course, it might apply to "he who shall not be named," too.   ::MonkeyWink::



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 24, 2012, 11:58:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



This is sick.  Has someone been dumping bones instead of proper burials or cremations?

I wonder if they will even attempt any DNA tests.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2012, 12:35:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Wouldn't they have to check this out, and yes, I understand it is Aruba. But.....wouldn't they need to know?  this makes me sick to my stomach.


It makes me sick to my stomach too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

More of the same article from the Amigoe Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Google translation:

Amigoe Aruba
22 hours ago via RSS Graffiti

Several skeletons in a tomb

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags with human remains. Each bag appears to be the residue of a person, and to contain up to now, there are twelve pockets. The discovery was made ​​by employees of Volksgezondhe ...
See More
Source: Amigoe Aruba

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51798:12-skelet-sin-identificacion-den-santana-di-cura-cabai&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

Papiamentu translation:

12 skelet without identificacion in cemetery of cura cabai

wednesday, 22 august 2012 22:52

in cemetery of cura cabai have one situation enough fastioso cu have to of atencion. for saca restonan for of cemetery is very fanfaria salubridad publico is haci. all the time the cemetery forget for much time at cura cabai owing to cuminsa achieve life. in the proceso ey owing to come constata cu have as one free for all tumando lugar by of funerarianan cu is immidiately break cemetery of person y saca restonan throw one near. till even they're using one angle for burn restonan human cu is wordo saca for of grafnan. for work grafnan new some funeraria not have none clase of respet for restonan of defuntonan. pesey self now here have alrededor of 12 saco cada uno fill cu remainder of one defunto. esnan cu is encarga cu drechamento y limpieza of cemetery of cura cabai by september year happen owing to succeed place all in one sun cemetery y tapa this. kendenan will come responsabiliza they self cu the asunto here is one question cu still not have contesta pe. seems cu salubridad publico owing to arise for of dream also because netamente the week here they will owing to go haci one inspeccion or inventory of the mortonan bury in the cemetery. the 12 restonan of being human throw in one cemetery open assure none person know more of cual family this is. esnan cu is atende cu limpieza till even owing to come achieve abroad of the cemetery restonan of wesonan cu owing to being saca for of grafnan. is at time the are actual owing to succeed enter for atende cu the cemetery because they have being keri bury eyden.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.aug.22.santana_cura_cabai.front.jpg)



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Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2012, 02:43:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: sharon on August 25, 2012, 07:58:29 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Wouldn't they have to check this out, and yes, I understand it is Aruba. But.....wouldn't they need to know?  this makes me sick to my stomach.


I am hoping that some of the local Aruban families with missing loved ones start making a lot of noise to have these remains tested. (I think the Tromp son is still missing?)

But.....this is Aruba :-(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2012, 01:49:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

Several skeletons in a tomb

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 7:50

ORANGE CITY - At the cemetery of Cura Cabai during work to unload old tombs, discovered a tomb containing bags of human ...
Read more ...



WOW too bad they'll never check this out   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Wouldn't they have to check this out, and yes, I understand it is Aruba. But.....wouldn't they need to know?  this makes me sick to my stomach.


I am hoping that some of the local Aruban families with missing loved ones start making a lot of noise to have these remains tested. (I think the Tromp son is still missing?)

But.....this is Aruba :-(

Yes, Vicenzo Tromp is still missing; I'd been thinking about his mother a lot since I read this and wondering what she thinks about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 12:35:49 AM
16 year old driver hits and kills a 69 year old pedestrian.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

(WARNING: Pictures at link are very graphic)

http://www.awe24.com/20120825/11658/Chofer_di_16_ana_di_edad_a_dal_un_homber_di_edad_mata_na_Tanki_Leendert

Papiamentu translation:

chofer of 16 year of edad owing to strike one man of edad kill at tanki leendert

1 day happen come across, 25 of august 2012 21:53

seccion: incidente

saturday night owing to enter informe of one accidente enough earnest fast of cafe capri at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one child of 16 year taba stuur one car chevrolet cavalier color gold a31509 y owing to strike one man of edad. at arrival of ambulance owing to come constata cu the victima all at blood owing to fayece. the victima owing to die instantaneamente at the sitio self. is deal here of francisco r. dijkhoff of 69 year y cu was live at catiri, we is extende we more sincero words of condolencia at famianan of the fayecido. the video y the another fotonan will tey in one instant.

version policial: saturday night, for more or less 9.45, central of police is wordo notifica of one accidente important cu did take lugar on caminda of tanki flip for kibaima, at height of cafe capri at tanki leendert. patruyanan cu is arrive at the sitio is come come across cu the victima on caminda y cu do not give sign of life. according informacion ricibi at the sitio, the victima will owing to leave for of one business in vecindario bayendo probably direccion cas hour ela being atropeya for her car a-31509 (chevrolet cavalier color of oro), maneha for one young of 16 year. ela being deteni for investigacion. according informacion, owing to test the but not owing to constata cu the is baby behind stuur. doctor owing to come at the sitio y owing to constata dead of the victima: francisco ricardo dijkhoff nasi at aruba day 14 of april 1943 live at catiri 19. autoridadnan competente is at the sitio y is investigando for saca afor dicon the accidente here did take lugar. slachtofferhulp of police also is at hospital for sostene the famianan. of part of cuerpo policial is send words of condolencia at the famianan of the fayecido.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 01:48:55 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/51950-chofer-di-16-anja-cu-a-dal-mata-bek-den-libertad

Papiamentu translation:

chauffeur of 16 year envolvi in desgracia fateful is back in freedom

sunday, 26 august 2012 12:15

the young of 16 year cu owing to atropeya the peaton francisco "pancho" dijkhoff cu consecuencia fateful, last at tanki leendert is in freedom end. although is one crimen core without rijbewijs (license), tog not owing to see the necesidad for follow detene the young student here. now his parents will have cu carga the consecuencianan for thing they child owing to comete. is investigando now if the child owing to maneha the car cu consentimento of the parents. the declaracion of the young self owing to medio confirma this. all the time the declaracion of the mother y the father is comosifuera they wanted wash hand y show cu the child will owing to coy the car without tell. all the time the investigacion not owing to termina y can wait for accionnan of part of husticia contra esunnan responsible. the young student have 16 year y not was below ; influencia of alcohol. if was so, the problem will was more big pe. fiscal together cu polisnan of trafico owing to place all cos in one balans for so give the young one chens. anything is assure cu the accidente here can owing to wordo evita if the young without rijbewijs not owing to lever caminda cu the car. the victima owing to leave for of his cas y was bayendo at the café just where the car owing to dal'e. the younger without rijbewijs behind stuur owing to tell cu the was core 40 km. the impacto if is proof another because the damage on the car is sample cu the car was coriendo more duro.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
Moaly Tromp was also recently killed in a car accident.  This says she didn't have a driver's license either.  The first reports I read about her said she was 20 years old...but if I understand correctly in this article they're saying she was 15.xx
(fixed name MB)

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/52008-dos-accidente-fatal-y-ambos-chofer-sin-rijbewijs

Papiamentu translation:

two accidente fateful y both chauffeur without rijbewijs

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.aug.27.front_accident-1.jpg)

monday, 27 august 2012 11:21

the accidentenan fateful cu owing to sosode the weekend here was have two chauffeur without rijbewijs. the chauffeur of 16 anja at tanki leendert dimes not have rijbewijs. the another lady moaly tromp niether have rijbewijs. the accidente cu owing to happen at cruzada of prof. lorentzstraat cu emmastraat was have one young of 15 anja behind stuur. cu this the boss of the departamento of trafico of police owing to show cu although they're haci control intensivo y more still in weekend night tog have the desgracianan here is stay registra. in casonan so where menornan is core car the parents in cierto ocasion is at height cu they child owing to go cu the car. in the accidente fateful assure esey was the caso. also have the accidente where the young of 15 anja was envolvi. here the child was wanted for her father tapa pe. the father owing to show good cla cu the will not tapa nothing y cu the child owing to go cu the car without his conocimento. the coremento of car without rijbewijs is algo earnest because is hendenan cu is lever caminda without conocimento of we leynan. once more have to remarca cu in the accidente fateful at tanki leendert, esun at bubali y esun of emmastraat the chauffeur not had rijbewijs. one of they owing to ocasiona one accidente cu dead, another the chofer self owing to fayece y the of three the chofer not was culpabel but the have 15 anja y not mag of stuur.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
I spelled her name wrong, sorry!   :2redface: (fixed MB)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/52006-moaly-tromp-victima-di-accidente-na-bubali-a-fayece

Papiamentu translation:

moaly tromp victima of accidente at bubali owing to fayece

monday, 27 august 2012 08:05

moaly tromp of 20 year that was the victima of the accidente earnest at bubali diadomingo marduga owing to fayece monday marduga at dr horacio oduber hospital. the golpi at his cabez owing to cause his dead. dr. croes owing to constata dead for 7.14 am. the was on machine in cuido intensivo y famianan owing to wordo calling diadomingo nightfall where dokternan owing to notifica cu will less machine because not have speranza more pe. sina self his curazon owing to stay beat y oracionnan owing to wordo haci. finalmente marduga if past owing to fayece in presencia of family y conocirnan. paz at his restonan y forza at the family. the polisnan encarga cu trafico will follow cu the investigacion on the caso lamentable here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 08:26:59 PM
https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Google translation:

Moaly Tromp (19) succumbs to injuries

Moaly Tromp had by firemen and paramedics from the car and was in serious injuries to hospital.

ORANGE CITY - Moaly Tromp (19) early this morning at the hospital succumbed to injuries they sustained in a traffic accident in the night from Saturday to Sunday. She is the second fatality this weekend after Saturday Francisco Ricardo Dijkhoff (69) in Tanki Leendert was killed by a sixteen year old boy. This brings the total number of fatalities this year at 14.
Source: Amigoe Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2012, 08:47:29 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120827/11673/Comunicado_policial_ta_participa_oficialmente_fayecimiento_di_victima_di

Papiamentu translation:

comunicado policial is participa oficialmente fayecimiento of victima of accidente at bubali

11 hora happen come across, 27 of august 2012 08:34

seccion: incidente

comunicado policial: we tristo duty of informa you cu awemainta, for 07:14 hour, dr. b. croes owing to constata dead (na hospital)

di: noaly d.z. tromp
nasi aruba 16 of oktober 1992
boegoeroei 27-a.

the was envolvi in the accidente important at bubali yesterday marduga y was much important in icu. was teme will worse but yet cu hope cu the will recupera. lastimamente his lesionnan was demasiado important. the was brother muher of one colega of we of kpa cu is j. tromp.

fiscal did take the curpa in beslag for autopsia. at we colega, his family y conosirnan of the victima is bay we more deep sense of pesame.

the is the of two victima fateful of trafico of the weekend behind back y the of 14 victima fateful for her year here.

awe24.com also is uni his self for send words of condolencia at family of the victima.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2012, 06:15:19 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120829/11685/Mientras_pareha_turista_tabata_drumi_den_camber_di_e_hotel_ladron_a_drenta_y

Papiamentu translation:

while pareha tourist was sleep in camber of the hotel, thief owing to enter y steal several pertenencia.

10 hora happen come across, 29 of august 2012 07:42

seccion: incidente

diaranzon morning owing to enter informe of one caso of ladronicia at one camber at divi dutch village, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one pareha tourist kedando at the hotel while they're sleep desconocidonan owing to happen via the balcon enter in the camber y owing to bay cu one i-phone, one camara, one holoshi, us$ 150 cu was in one cartera y also they owing to bay cu 2 package sigaria. this is one mal- experiencia for her tourist y is cause damage at we industry turistico. the investigadornan tecnico owing to stay of happen for take the vingerprintnan cu owing to stay mark.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on August 29, 2012, 11:16:53 PM
Makes one wonder if the tourist picked up the wrong local for a one night stand.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Makes one wonder if the tourist picked up the wrong local for a one night stand.  ::MonkeyEek::

My understanding is that it was a couple there on vacation that were asleep in their hotel room when the thief came in from the balcony and robbed them.  I think that's probably the "couple" in the picture below from the article.  jmo

http://www.awe24.com/20120829/11685/Mientras_pareha_turista_tabata_drumi_den_camber_di_e_hotel_ladron_a_drenta_y

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11685/1_1346252076.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2012, 12:24:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 30, 2012, 12:11:02 PM
It is interesting how easy it is to kill someone and be acquitted in the Netherlands or Aruba. I don't know if anyone has followed this story, but a Mariner(Dutch National) player was killed by his brother who was just recently acquitted. A very sad story!
Edit to add link provided by KTF. MB


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8316892/court-acquits-brother-seattle-mariners-greg-halman-fatal-stabbing
Updated August 30, 2012


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 30, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
It is interesting how easy it is to kill someone and be acquitted in the Netherlands or Aruba. I don't know if anyone has followed this story, but a Mariner(Dutch National) player was killed by his brother who was just recently acquitted. A very sad story!
Forgot the link  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you KTF ::bee::


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8316892/court-acquits-brother-seattle-mariners-greg-halman-fatal-stabbing
Updated August 30, 2012
Edit to add date article updated.  MB


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Post by: SuzieQ on August 30, 2012, 05:32:46 PM
 Left a post in musings.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
It is interesting how easy it is to kill someone and be acquitted in the Netherlands or Aruba. I don't know if anyone has followed this story, but a Mariner(Dutch National) player was killed by his brother who was just recently acquitted. A very sad story!
Edit to add link provided by KTF. MB


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8316892/court-acquits-brother-seattle-mariners-greg-halman-fatal-stabbing
Updated August 30, 2012


Yes, it is very sad...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1537297#msg1537297


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show at 9pm ET tonight!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer083012.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on August 30, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
Makes one wonder if the tourist picked up the wrong local for a one night stand.  ::MonkeyEek::

My understanding is that it was a couple there on vacation that were asleep in their hotel room when the thief came in from the balcony and robbed them.  I think that's probably the "couple" in the picture below from the article.  jmo

http://www.awe24.com/20120829/11685/Mientras_pareha_turista_tabata_drumi_den_camber_di_e_hotel_ladron_a_drenta_y

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11685/1_1346252076.jpg)
Thanks for the clarification!  Obviously I need more practice with even translated Papiamentu.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 31, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Sept2010_NyPost.jpg)



"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


The Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKERS / BETH HOLLOWAY

How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifted by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong? Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

© 2012 Premiere Speakers Bureau

http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway
http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway/bio

s.t.




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Post by: grace-land on September 03, 2012, 12:10:26 PM
http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/09/03/37-miljoen-kijkers-voor-vijf-zoekende-agriers-en-de-mannen-kijken-verplicht-mee/

Google translation

3 September 2012
Looking back: first Boer seeking women - and the men looked into

Yesterday went Farmer seeks woman again in the sixth season. And the farmers remain popular, as it turned out. The show was good for 3.7 million viewers. (For comparison Studio Soccer attracted 1,155,000 viewers and the evening news 2,690,000).
 
Farmer seeks woman stands since 2005 in the top 3 most watched programs each year. In the recent television history was once a non-sports more popular: in 2008, 7.1 million viewers watched the episode of Peter R. de Vries which Joran van der Sloot statements that were recorded using a hidden camera.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
http://arubaherald.com/local/3322-mystery-surrounds-digging-in-arashi-beach-area.html (http://arubaherald.com/local/3322-mystery-surrounds-digging-in-arashi-beach-area.html)

Mystery surrounds digging in Arashi Beach area

People visiting Arashi Beach on Saturday were angered by digging activities taking place in the ocean. Police received several calls and checked in the area various times, but did not find the heavy equipment in the ocean, until later, during a routine patrol, maritime police spotted the vehicle digging off the shore. It remains a mystery who is responsible for the digging and what the intention is.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Picture0001-9.jpg)

More photos at the link above


http://www.awe24.com/20120901/11739/Polis_a_bay_Malmok_pa_atende_un_payloader_den_lama_haciendo_trabaonan_pero_nan (http://www.awe24.com/20120901/11739/Polis_a_bay_Malmok_pa_atende_un_payloader_den_lama_haciendo_trabaonan_pero_nan)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11739/1_1346532522.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2012, 04:08:40 PM
FYI as a reminder - Arashi is near the Lighthouse and Malmok is where the Gottenbos home was back in 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
Was the changing story that emerged on June 14th ... the changing story "Natalee was left at the beach" a distraction from the truth ... the truth encompassing the happenings in the early morning of May 30th which ocurred at the lighthouse ... at Arashi Beach.


IN THE BEGINNING - ARASHI

Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005


The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse". On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0


Satish Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. ...

When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car. ... 

Then my brother drove to the Holiday Inn to drop the girl off there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=330.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

I drove at the request of the girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=328.0



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
THE JUNE 10TH CONFESSION

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 07:38:22 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.
 
Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. 
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 09:18:40 PM
FYI as a reminder - Arashi is near the Lighthouse and Malmok is where the Gottenbos home was back in 2005.


KOEN GOTTENBOS - THE BOAT

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 118
- Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Page 181 - Art and I talked to Ms. Flanagan about all the red flags that we were seeing and that we thought Koen, Joran, and Deepak took Natalee out in the boat. She agreed with that theory. She added that the reason she had left the case was because she thought Koen was lying, and when she asked the police to reinterview him, they refused. We told her that we were going to talk to the prime minister the next day to lay it all out.

Page 177 - After Dompig heard we had found the boat, he indicated that he was going to bring Koen in for questioning in a day or so. I told him that if they interviewed Koen, they might solve the case.

Page 182 - I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 03, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
Janet, do you have links for your last two posts?  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Janet, do you have links for your last two posts?  ::bee::


THE PERSISTENCE FIND

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg975707;topicseen#msg975707

Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4656.msg714342;topicseen#msg714342

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4804.msg757283;topicseen#msg757283

Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4804.msg757283;topicseen#msg757283
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4804.msg757283;topicseen#msg757283

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188;topicseen#msg588188

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg727330;topicseen#msg727330

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188;topicseen#msg588188

Kermit - Scared Monkeys



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 03, 2012, 10:16:06 PM
Muffy

Dave Holloway's book ... Corrupt in Paradise ... is the source of the Koen post.  I included the page numbers.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 03, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
Muffy

Dave Holloway's book ... Corrupt in Paradise ... is the source of the Koen post.  I included the page numbers.

Janet


The way you've formatted the post might be a bit confusing to the casual reader. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Ono on September 04, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
FYI as a reminder - Arashi is near the Lighthouse and Malmok is where the Gottenbos home was back in 2005.

Thanks, Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
12/18/2007
The R/V Persistence Search team gets a stange but timely tip.

Kyle Kingman:  "While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.”


Kermit - do you have a link back to this you can include with the post?  Thanks.  MuffyBee

This may have originated from Freebirds (klaasend)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2012, 02:59:33 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2mpifrd.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2mpifrd.jpg)

oopa forgot to add: This is Klassends map photo

and I think this is the link where Kyle was discussing where the RV Persistence was in relation to Arashi Beach.
Very few times has Arashi Beach been mentioned - by Kyle and by Julia Renfro stating that that is where Fishermans huts are too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2512.msg327001#msg327001


sorry I forgot the link - here it is.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on September 04, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
Regarding the Arashi beach digging http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418) and the claim that it's a mystery... no way no how do they not know what it's about.  They don't want anyone else to know.  There's a photo of someone in the cab of the thing, there are neighbors, heck it isn't like there is an infinite number of those machines on that hellhole.  Any "reporter" who can't investigate something so simple, is no more than a propogandist for TPTB.  An elementary school newspaper 'reporter' could get to the bottom of it in 5 minutes.  Now what exactly are they trying to hide/cover up.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 04, 2012, 04:49:41 PM
Just stopping in to say hello to Natalee Holloway, Stephany Flores, and all you Monkey's. Justice is inevitable!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
http://arubaherald.com/local/3322-mystery-surrounds-digging-in-arashi-beach-area.html (http://arubaherald.com/local/3322-mystery-surrounds-digging-in-arashi-beach-area.html)

Mystery surrounds digging in Arashi Beach area

People visiting Arashi Beach on Saturday were angered by digging activities taking place in the ocean. Police received several calls and checked in the area various times, but did not find the heavy equipment in the ocean, until later, during a routine patrol, maritime police spotted the vehicle digging off the shore. It remains a mystery who is responsible for the digging and what the intention is.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Picture0001-9.jpg)

More photos at the link above


http://www.awe24.com/20120901/11739/Polis_a_bay_Malmok_pa_atende_un_payloader_den_lama_haciendo_trabaonan_pero_nan (http://www.awe24.com/20120901/11739/Polis_a_bay_Malmok_pa_atende_un_payloader_den_lama_haciendo_trabaonan_pero_nan)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11739/1_1346532522.jpg)

http://amigoe.com/aruba/126527-ik-wilde-stenen-weghalen-om-beter-te-kunnen-staan

Google translation:

"I wanted to remove stones to better stand '         

TUESDAY, 4 SEPTEMBER 2012 10:04

Yesterday afternoon stood behind the house of Jared Fisher still an excavator and mini bulldozer.

ORANGE CITY - The tenant of the house in which Arashi Saturday excavator in the water was doing, denies that it was digging. The excavator stones pulled from the water, he says Amigoe . Moreover, according to him, there are no coral. He said immediately after intervention by the Coast Guard, to be stopped and will refrain from further work.

By our reporter

Ariën Rasmijn

Jared Visser rents the house in Arashi, so Saturday morning where an excavator was busy in the water. He claims to have instructed above. "I was there a few stones to remove them, so I can stand in the water. I did not know I must have a permit. "Visser says that there is no coral was there where he had the excavator dig. "If it were, I would of course not. I also asked the contractor to stop the excavator to remove. After the Coast Guard has been last Saturday morning, there's no more digging. There I am on. "Yesterday he applied for a license to continue to dig, because not all stones he wanted to remove also been removed. But given all the fuss that there has arisen, he considers to be there still abstain. "I guess I do not get and have included the reactions seen on Facebook, showing that a lot of people I'm disappointed," said Visser.


Authorizations g

The renter says further at Department of Public Works (DOW) sand bought. "This purchase was legal and that I have to show the authorities. With that, I sand the piece behind my house presentable again make. "Even before Visser has applied for a license. He confirms inspectors Management Infrastructure and Planning (DIP) and DOW have spoken. "They say there is no problem that I piece mondi behind my house kaalsla and with beach sand decorate, if I have a license pocket." About taking legal action against Visser could Amigoe today no reaction from the management of DIP and the Director of DOW. And enabled the ruling Fisherman on the bare slams permit, for the time of printing of this edition, even by these authorities confirmed. Yesterday was Amigoe in the afternoon at the site and found that there is not only an excavator is but a small bulldozer. Moreover, in a barren piece of land beaten.

Criminal fact n

Angela Ann, spokesman for the Public Prosecution Service (OM), let them know that the record is still to receive from the coastguard. They gave the driver of the excavator Saturday fined and ordered to the machine from the water. "These are four offenses, including not having a permit to dig and destruction of coral," said Angela. How high are the penalties for this, she can not say. Incidentally says Visser turn the excavator driver said nothing to him about fines.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 04, 2012, 06:43:16 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!




Kermie - You are not the only one that hacking attempts were made on by this waste of space.  Glad he has finally been caught up with and I hope he gets his just desserts when the gavel falls.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Regarding the Arashi beach digging http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418) and the claim that it's a mystery... no way no how do they not know what it's about.  They don't want anyone else to know.  There's a photo of someone in the cab of the thing, there are neighbors, heck it isn't like there is an infinite number of those machines on that hellhole.  Any "reporter" who can't investigate something so simple, is no more than a propogandist for TPTB.  An elementary school newspaper 'reporter' could get to the bottom of it in 5 minutes.  Now what exactly are they trying to hide/cover up.

Sorry to be so elementary, but could they just be digging for a boat dock?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on September 05, 2012, 12:44:20 AM
Regarding the Arashi beach digging http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538418#msg1538418) and the claim that it's a mystery... no way no how do they not know what it's about.  They don't want anyone else to know.  There's a photo of someone in the cab of the thing, there are neighbors, heck it isn't like there is an infinite number of those machines on that hellhole.  Any "reporter" who can't investigate something so simple, is no more than a propogandist for TPTB.  An elementary school newspaper 'reporter' could get to the bottom of it in 5 minutes.  Now what exactly are they trying to hide/cover up.

Sorry to be so elementary, but could they just be digging for a boat dock?
Of course they could be, but why all the mystery? The news source went to the trouble of reporting, why not take a couple extra minutes to knock on a neighbor's door to get an answer.  IMO, most of the Aruban press is not trustworthy.  Thanks to texasmom we now have more information http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538499#msg1538499 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1538499#msg1538499)   

And FTR, I believe an aspiring school newspaper reporter could run rings around most of the Aruban press  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 05, 2012, 01:11:36 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!



Oh, happy day!

If you hear what happens, please let us know.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!



Oh, happy day!

If you hear what happens, please let us know.



Hi Puzzler

I checked Gold Monkey again.  Nothing ... nothing I could see.

I forget that name of the forum that Robin Holloway posted on.  Does it still exist?  The mod who cannot be named was a member at one time.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2012, 04:38:51 PM
http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx

Looks like it's continued to Sept 26, 2012

Case Event Schedule

Event    Date    Location    Judge
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    22-AUG-2012
   3rd District Court    HOULIHAN, JUDGE
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    05-SEP-2012
   3rd District Court    HOULIHAN, JUDGE
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    26-SEP-2012
   3rd District Court    unassigned


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Obs1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Blonde on September 05, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2012, 05:41:49 PM
Looks like a missing elderly man in Aruba:

http://www.awe24.com/20120904/11777/Famia_di_Gerard_Anthony_ta_buscando_paradero_di_nan_familiar_cu_ta_desapareci (http://www.awe24.com/20120904/11777/Famia_di_Gerard_Anthony_ta_buscando_paradero_di_nan_familiar_cu_ta_desapareci)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11777/1_1346872996.jpg)

family of gerard anthony is buscando paradero of they familiar cu is desapareci for of diabierna end

come across 18 hora happen come across, 4 of september 2012 23:22 seccion:

 incidente monday morning 3 of september 2012 one madam owing to present at keep of sanicolas for meld cu for of diabierna 31 of august 2012 the not owing to look at his husband more. el'a bah'e at julenny's minimarket at sabana broom y owing to bay aeropuerto. ela fly on the same day bay curacao y owing to go back diadomingo 2 of september 2012 for more or less 18:30 of nightfall. for of his arrival the not owing to look at his husband more. the person perdi is the homber:

 gerard anthony nasi aruba 25 of august 1953 live at sabana broom 35. today owing to calling the wife y owing to confirma cu the not owing to arrive cas still y they're preocupa for already cu the is person bad. the will have catarata, problem cu back y know drink enough alcohol. cualkier person cu know algo of dje can take contacto cu centrale post at 100.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 05, 2012, 06:22:54 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!




Kermie - You are not the only one that hacking attempts were made on by this waste of space.  Glad he has finally been caught up with and I hope he gets his just desserts when the gavel falls.

 ::justice2NJ::

I got a couple of emails from Rob's hacked email account too. What a waste of time! Who has this much time to waste in their life?

crazy coo-coo, bro bro! ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 05, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!



Oh, happy day!

If you hear what happens, please let us know.



Hi Puzzler

I checked Gold Monkey again.  Nothing ... nothing I could see.

I forget that name of the forum that Robin Holloway posted on.  Does it still exist?  The mod who cannot be named was a member at one time.

Janet



Waste of time checking GM for anything these days.  On the surface they are all but defunct.  But I am sure there is plenty that goes on behind the curtains or in some other hidey hole.

However shortly after GM was formed I was there in chat when the nameless one breezed in and started mouthing off about Klaas and other frequent posters here at SM.  Carnut very smartly gave him his marching orders and he was never seen there again.

Cannot help with name of forum where RH posted.

But I do know that the nameless one was very active at ChatnGrumble and was given free rein where he became a little dictator and his word was law.

Oh the good old days   lololol

 ::koaladancing::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 05, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Hi Tibro,

I was busy today so I just checked Case number: 31-2012-08311 and came here and Ms. Klassend has posted the information so eloquently. Heh Heh.
Maybe the DA will look into him a bit more and see what he is up to while awaiting trial.
Good to see you Tibro. You are so right about him at CnG. He spent a LOT of time there trying to gather information on any monkey member.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
Just wanted to do a shout out to the former mod here who uses the fake nic on Facebook Jim Dillard who has been trying to hack my account here. I hope your court date tomorrow is going to be one for your record! And just so you know - you were tracked!



Oh, happy day!

If you hear what happens, please let us know.



Hi Puzzler

I checked Gold Monkey again.  Nothing ... nothing I could see.

I forget that name of the forum that Robin Holloway posted on.  Does it still exist?  The mod who cannot be named was a member at one time.

Janet



Waste of time checking GM for anything these days.  On the surface they are all but defunct.  But I am sure there is plenty that goes on behind the curtains or in some other hidey hole.

However shortly after GM was formed I was there in chat when the nameless one breezed in and started mouthing off about Klaas and other frequent posters here at SM.  Carnut very smartly gave him his marching orders and he was never seen there again.

Cannot help with name of forum where RH posted.

But I do know that the nameless one was very active at ChatnGrumble and was given free rein where he became a little dictator and his word was law.

Oh the good old days   lololol

 ::koaladancing::

ChatnGrumble!!

That was the forum I was racking my brain attempting to remember the name.

Thanks Tibro.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2012, 06:44:13 PM
Looks like a missing elderly man in Aruba:

http://www.awe24.com/20120904/11777/Famia_di_Gerard_Anthony_ta_buscando_paradero_di_nan_familiar_cu_ta_desapareci (http://www.awe24.com/20120904/11777/Famia_di_Gerard_Anthony_ta_buscando_paradero_di_nan_familiar_cu_ta_desapareci)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11777/1_1346872996.jpg)

family of gerard anthony is buscando paradero of they familiar cu is desapareci for of diabierna end

come across 18 hora happen come across, 4 of september 2012 23:22 seccion:

 incidente monday morning 3 of september 2012 one madam owing to present at keep of sanicolas for meld cu for of diabierna 31 of august 2012 the not owing to look at his husband more. el'a bah'e at julenny's minimarket at sabana broom y owing to bay aeropuerto. ela fly on the same day bay curacao y owing to go back diadomingo 2 of september 2012 for more or less 18:30 of nightfall. for of his arrival the not owing to look at his husband more. the person perdi is the homber:

 gerard anthony nasi aruba 25 of august 1953 live at sabana broom 35. today owing to calling the wife y owing to confirma cu the not owing to arrive cas still y they're preocupa for already cu the is person bad. the will have catarata, problem cu back y know drink enough alcohol. cualkier person cu know algo of dje can take contacto cu centrale post at 100.

He's dead, didn't drown...not even in the water.  Looks like a crime to me too.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/52454-a-haya-curpa-sin-bida-di-gerard-anthony-ta-drief-den-spaans-lagoen

Papiamentu translation:

owing to achieve curpa without life of gerard anthony at spaans lagoen

wednesday, 05 september 2012 17:55

diaranson nightfall owing to come achieve the curpa without life of gerard anthony in becindario of rancho clemente. assure algo much regrettable hour cu one child have to come achieve his same father memey of two cuarto without give sign of life. police y recherche owing to present at sitio for cuminsa cu investigacion, mirando cu family is sospecha crimen. bomberonan owing to confronta much problem for saca the curpa more aun hour water owing to cuminsa rain. fiscal owing to confisca the curpa y take in beslag. family was much preocupa for already cu the is person bad. the was abide of catarata, problem of back. was monday morning hour his madam owing to present keep of san nicolas for alerta autoridadnan cu for of diabierna 31 of august the not owing to look at his casa more. the madam owing to descend his casa at julenny's minimarket at sabana broom y bay aeropuerto. gerard was declaration of policy for on the same day bay corsou. he owing to come bek aruba diadomingo 2 of september for more or less 6:30 of nightfall. for of his arrival at aruba none person not owing to hear more of dje. was till iaranson nightfall hour owing to achieve his paradero at spaans lagoen but without life. doctor owing to constata dead at the sitio self of gerard anthony naci at aruba 25 of august 1953 at life was live at sabana broom 35. paz at his restonan y forza at his family. come across

More pictures here, you can actually tell where they found him in these.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20120905/11783/Den_Spaanslagoen_a_bin_logra_haya_e_curpa_sin_bida_di_Gerard_Anthony_cual


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2012, 07:00:34 PM
Result of the investigation into the shooting that killed two in the Renaissance Market Place in February.

If you don't remember the story, you can find several articles about it in the Murder and Crime thread here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1510539#msg1510539


http://www.awe24.com/20120904/11770/Ministerio_Publico_a_duna_resultado_di_investigacion_matamento_2_Colombiano

Papiamentu translation:

ministerio publico owing to give result of investigacion matamento 2 colombiano during accion after seaport

2 happen day, 4 september 2012 tue 4:45

therefore.m. seccion:

incident can end after of month of several investigacion ministerio publico owing to give relato the investigacion of of of 2 matamento colombiano during one accion near of seaport cinemas. here is the follow version after papiamento y after esun after dutch.

 ::snipping2::

Google (Dutch) translation:

By the Organised Crime Unit of the KPA has implemented a request for assistance from the United States. The request meant that a meeting would be between an agent of the DEA and a person WGH-A, where a drug transaction would take place.

On February 22, 2012 was the meeting place in the field of Renaissance Market Place at restaurant Casa Tua. When it was suspected that the suppliers of the drugs with a Daihatsu had arrived, was transferred to the detention of WG HA. This was located at that time at restaurant Casa Tua.

Concurrent were other members of the Arrest Team on the arrest of the persons in the Daihatsu. In addressing these Daihatsu were unfortunately the two occupants slain.

The Land Investigation, the Bureau of the KPA Forensic Technical Studies and the National Police at the request of the Attorney General conducted an investigation into this tragic event. The findings of the National Crime Squad are roughly as follows.

Arrest Three members of the team tried to arrest the occupants of the Daihatsu to proceed. A member of the Arrest Team stood with his gun on one side of the Daihatsu and tried to open the rear door. In this movement he has inadvertently shot probably issued by a pinch reflex of his hand. This first shot that went off accidentally as I said, none of the occupants hit, a fragment of the bullet was found in the rubber seal on the metal separation at the rear.

The camera images evident that this bulkhead led to a visible light-colored cloud (probably fine glass splinters) near the window of the rear in the direction of one of the other members of the Arrest Team. This member of the Arrest Team responds immediately to this light-colored cloud on the assumption that from the Daihatsu is shot, he shoots directly several times on the Daihatsu. The member of the Arrest Team on the other side of the Daihatsu has immediately followed with his gun shot. The series of shots of both AT-ers is directly lethal to both occupants.

The conclusion of the prosecution with regard to any criminal proceedings in respect of such events is as follows.

The prosecution believes that there are no grounds for prosecution proceedings against the members of the Arrest Team, which in this shooting involved.

One who unintentionally fired the first shot, nobody has touched, it can not therefore be accused of manslaughter. In the opinion of the prosecutor, he can rely on the rules of engagement regarding the use of his weapon, and he regards the handling of his weapon is not punishable.

The two other members of the Arrest Team, that the fatal shots are fired, acted in the context of the rules of engagement as regards the use of their weapons. Furthermore, the prosecution believes that the two members of the Arrest Team their firearms are used in the understandable assumption that there was necessary defense of their own or another's body against an immediate and unlawful assault by the occupants of the Daihatsu. The prosecution believes that the fine cloud of glass splinters, which the shot was accidental causes, the reasonable conclusion could be drawn that from the Daihatsu was shot. Based on this presumption could actually be made ​​to the use of their firearms. This situation considers OM such that it can be described as (putative) storm or (putative) excessive force.

Following this exchange of fire is there a short time later by various members of the Arrest Team shot on the Daihatsu, as I said, the occupants that time, already as a result of the first series of shots deceased. After the final exchange of fire, a member of the Arrest Team with his weapon a pane of the Daihatsu smashed. In addition, some parts of his gun in the car cases, subsequently by a colleague from the car are achieved.

This action of the Arrest Team after the first exchange of fire is no crime and there is therefore no reason for a criminal follow-up study .

The prosecution considers the members of the Arrest Team is not illegal and the OM is not planning a further criminal investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER, 2005

Who Can We Trust?

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 182
: September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2012, 07:35:36 PM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/126692-agenten-niet-vervolgd-voor-doden-ongewapende-verdachten

Google translation:

Agents are not prosecuted for killing unarmed suspects         

WEDNESDAY, 5 SEPTEMBER 2012 9:32

ORANGE CITY - The officers of the arrest team (AT) on 22 February this year during an attempt to arrest two unarmed suspects in a car in the parking lot of Renaissance Marketplace shot dead, are not prosecuted.

By our reporter

Alex LACL e

She acted in legitimate assumption made ​​on them was shot and reacted under, according to the Public Prosecutor (OM) after extensive research. Yesterday, the OM the results known to the press. Questions about why the arrest right there and at that time (a busy shopping center in broad daylight) to take place, there are not answered. That probably needs further investigation, said Deputy Attorney General Peter Blanken against Amigoe . But that is in the hands of the chief of police and the responsible Minister.

No reference t

Almost all Aruban media were yesterday at the press conference where Whites openness gave. The Deputy Attorney General is disappointed that so much time has passed before the public could be informed, but it was not different 'because the research had to be done very carefully. " He says the officer who accidentally fired the first shot, nobody has touched and nothing could be faulted. The two other members of the AT that the deadly shots solved, acted according to "the rules of engagement for the use of their weapons." They were in the "reasonable assumption" that was shot from the car and have defense from 'back' shot. "This action by the SWAT team is no crime," said the Prosecutor. "There is no reason for a criminal investigation continued."

Disciplinary MEASURES n

Whether disciplinary action for the agents that decide the leadership corps, said Whites. From the OM is in any case no advice given.

Surviving n

A few hours before the press was informed, were also the Colombian relatives of the killed suspects the results of the investigation to hear. Justice Minister Arthur Dowers (AVP) gave this information in the presence of, among others, the Consul of Colombia. Whites leave request that the survivors, if not satisfied with the research, still able to appeal and to the Joint Court may request the OM still going to prosecute the officers. They can also turn to the civil courts for any damages.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show at 9pm ET!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer090612a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2012, 12:31:53 PM
'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet. There is more to come … there is more to come.'


Beth Holloway - October, 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Natalee-Holloways-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-jail.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2012, 09:51:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 10, 2012, 02:41:57 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 10, 2012, 05:23:30 PM
Aruba Tourism Authority Invites Kelly Ripa and New Co-host Michael Strahan to Go "Live!" on One Happ       
Thursday, 06 September 2012 

Now that Kelly Ripa has scored NFL analyst Michael Strahan as her permanent co-host, Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) invites them to celebrate and go "Live!" on One Happy Island. 

"We love Kelly's bubbly and positive personality and are thrilled she's found an equally energetic co-host she can have a blast with on camera," said Ronella Tjin Asjoe, CEO of ATA. "There's no better place than Aruba, One Happy Island, for this happy pair to kick off their new show, have some fun and entertain viewers back home."

As one of the most revisited destinations in the Caribbean, Aruba consistently attracts American visitors looking to escape the rat race of everyday life. What they find is pure happiness – echoed in everything from the place to the people. With countless activities and events perfectly suited for the spunky co-hosts on the One Happy Island, Kelly and Michael are sure to go "Live!" with a smile.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.melodika.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=383401&Itemid=54

 :smt078   :smt078   :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2012, 06:23:43 PM
Aruba Tourism Authority Invites Kelly Ripa and New Co-host Michael Strahan to Go "Live!" on One Happ       
Thursday, 06 September 2012 

Now that Kelly Ripa has scored NFL analyst Michael Strahan as her permanent co-host, Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) invites them to celebrate and go "Live!" on One Happy Island. 

"We love Kelly's bubbly and positive personality and are thrilled she's found an equally energetic co-host she can have a blast with on camera," said Ronella Tjin Asjoe, CEO of ATA. "There's no better place than Aruba, One Happy Island, for this happy pair to kick off their new show, have some fun and entertain viewers back home."

As one of the most revisited destinations in the Caribbean, Aruba consistently attracts American visitors looking to escape the rat race of everyday life. What they find is pure happiness – echoed in everything from the place to the people. With countless activities and events perfectly suited for the spunky co-hosts on the One Happy Island, Kelly and Michael are sure to go "Live!" with a smile.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.melodika.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=383401&Itemid=54

 :smt078   :smt078   :smt078

Thanks Northern Rose. It has been a while.  I hope all is well with family.

Janet

++++


BAD THINGS HAPPEN EVERYWHERE BUT ...

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 209:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2012, 10:52:55 PM

What do these 3 women have in common?


(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/110822/natalee-holloway-320.jpg)

St. Martin missing
(http://missionviejodispatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/leta-cordes-new.jpg)
Leta Cordes,

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/article/2011/11/dsc_0055_taco.jpg)


ANSWER:
Taco Stein



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2012, 10:53:41 PM
Then there is the Stephany Flores investigation that Taco Stein was driven to involve Aruban authorities.  Could it be that this "co-operation" is behind the judge's decision to reverse his original ruling regarding immediate extradition of Joran van der Sloot to Alabama to be tried for the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway?

Janet

+++++


June, 2010 - Taco Stein and the Stephany Floes Investigation

Aruban, Peruvian authorities will 'help each other' in murder probe
By the CNN Wire Staff | June 15, 2010


Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores -- in which Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect, an Aruban government spokesman said Tuesday.

<snipped>

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/aruban


April, 2012 - Peru Approves Extradition

Peru Gives Green Light For Joran Van Der Sloot To Be Extradited To The U.S.
Apr 24, 2012

 
Peru has approved the extradition of convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.
 
According to court documents obtained by Joran's attorney Maximo Altez, a Peruvian judge has approved a U.S. request for provisional detention, marking the first step in the extraction process and meaning he could land on American soil within three months, reported CNN.com.
 
Once his appeal for that sentence is completed in the next month, "He will go to trial in the United States. Once he is sentenced, he will return to Peru to finish serving his 28 years, and then go back to the States to serve whatever sentence he gets there,” explained Altez, where U.S. authorities want to try the Dutchman on charges of extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway case.
 
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/joran-van-der-sloot-extradited-us-peru


May, 2012 - Joran Fights Extradition

Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S. From Mayra Cuevas
May 9, 2012


Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

Representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI attended the extradition hearing, which was not open to the public, Maximo Altez told InSession on Tru TV.

<snipped>
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html


June, 2012 - Joran's Extradition is Delayed
 
Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
June 4, 2012


Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

<snipped>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 12, 2012, 08:52:23 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/espectaculos/1468605/noticia-miguel-torres-bohl-su-rol-asesino-buen-pedro

Google translation

Wednesday September 12, 2012
Miguel Torres Böhl murderer and his role in "The Good Peter"

Pedro is a loner, absolutely quiet and orderly. He rises early, enjoys cooking, listening to music and keeps a dark and sinister secret: he is a murderer of prostitutes. This is the controversial character who embodies Miguel Torres-Bohl in the film directed by Sandro Ventura, Peter Good. Then the actor gives details of how she managed to get under the skin of a murderer in this new proposal film which opens on September 20.

"It was tough, I saw documentaries, magazines, online information, especially serial murderers. Traits and behaviors analyzed several murderers, some local and Joran Van der Sloot (murderer of Stephany Flores) and Pedro Mamanchura (murderer of Abencia Meza). I could see that these people who have domestic violence express nothing with his eyes, are as gone, as dead in life, "said Michael in conversation with elcomercio.pe.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2012, 11:15:56 PM
After all these years....Natalee and Stepheny...and their families... are in my heart.....I don't expect any justice will come on this earth......but I do believe GOD will dole out justice to the perps...and all those that covered/protected the perps......damnation is their fate.........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2012, 08:31:28 PM
I must say that Ronchi doesn't appear to age much:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ovaOpMV0RDQ/UE09XpSN1zI/AAAAAAAAOyg/9rER1NCyXQI/s512/IMG_0567.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iyQ5veQAJKA/UE09in38ksI/AAAAAAAAO0Y/j5LS6lk_-64/s720/IMG_0582.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2012, 11:30:38 PM
carpe noctem
Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #865
« Reply #419 on: June 12, 2012, 12:05:30 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12718.msg1529052#msg1529052


 ::MonkeyTears::

It has been my hope since the getgo that at some point in  time a special someone would enter the lives of Val and Sabastian ... someone who would be a positive infuence ... someone who would keep both boys focused in a positive direction that would benefit their future.  Living those teen years known as Joran van der Sloot's siblings must not have been easy.

Joran turned 25 years old last month and ... in those 25 years he has managed to  negatively affect so many lives.  He exemplies evil personified. 

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 13, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
After all these years....Natalee and Stepheny...and their families... are in my heart.....I don't expect any justice will come on this earth......but I do believe GOD will dole out justice to the perps...and all those that covered/protected the perps......damnation is their fate.........


Hi billb! I agree with where JK2 are headed but I'm still holding out hope we'll see them all take a side step here for a while too! You know, I liken Joran to OJ. He's not in jail for Natalee.... BUT he is in jail and I don't think it's over for any of them just yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 14, 2012, 12:45:05 AM
I must say that Ronchi doesn't appear to age much:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ovaOpMV0RDQ/UE09XpSN1zI/AAAAAAAAOyg/9rER1NCyXQI/s512/IMG_0567.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iyQ5veQAJKA/UE09in38ksI/AAAAAAAAO0Y/j5LS6lk_-64/s720/IMG_0582.JPG)

Hi Klaas -

Sometimes I close my eyes and dream of what hell would look like. These pics are pretty close!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 14, 2012, 02:05:31 AM
Aruba Tourism Authority Invites Kelly Ripa and New Co-host Michael Strahan to Go "Live!" on One Happ       
Thursday, 06 September 2012 

Now that Kelly Ripa has scored NFL analyst Michael Strahan as her permanent co-host, Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) invites them to celebrate and go "Live!" on One Happy Island. 

"We love Kelly's bubbly and positive personality and are thrilled she's found an equally energetic co-host she can have a blast with on camera," said Ronella Tjin Asjoe, CEO of ATA. "There's no better place than Aruba, One Happy Island, for this happy pair to kick off their new show, have some fun and entertain viewers back home."

As one of the most revisited destinations in the Caribbean, Aruba consistently attracts American visitors looking to escape the rat race of everyday life. What they find is pure happiness – echoed in everything from the place to the people. With countless activities and events perfectly suited for the spunky co-hosts on the One Happy Island, Kelly and Michael are sure to go "Live!" with a smile.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.melodika.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=383401&Itemid=54

 :smt078   :smt078   :smt078

I never forget how they treated Natalee and her family. I have a great long term memory!

F Aruba ATA and all the companies that funnel into them - and the Company of All Companies at the top of the pyramidal chain.

They will all crumble one day and receive their just dues, it will all be returned to them tenfold with plenty of interest.

Long time coming - and fun to watch.

One day, there will be nothing left for them to play with but cactus and iguana turds. Like a scene out of Mad Max.

Scorch and burn - it's what's for dinner.

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on September 14, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
I really hope that Kelly Ripa does not take the show to Aruba.  (Or her producers take the show there, whichever).

How could they do that to the American family of Natalee??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2012, 09:10:23 PM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/127864-minister-onderzoekt-draagvlak-medicinaal-wietgebruik

Google translation:

Minister examines support medical marijuana use         

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2012 9:07

ORANGE CITY - Health Minister Richard Visser (AVP) spoke Tuesday with the Foundation (in formation) Legalize Marijuana. This foundation advocates the legalization of soft drugs marijuana. Following the interview, the minister investigate whether "sufficient necessity and support 'exists for medicinal marijuana use, says Bart Kool policy against Amigoe .

By our reporter

Alex LACLe

Kool says that especially the medical sector will be asked for their views. Asked whether Minister Visser positive about the legalization of marijuana use as a medicine, the policy says that the minister has not taken a position on this. "It's still too early for decisions." The minister wants to according Kool first 'broad orientation'. "Also to see how it fits into the overall policy." In this orientation is also the national drug research from the University of Aruba included. This study showed that in any case the situation of young people 'worrying' is. The results of this study will be on the leading (from 26 to 28 September) International Congress on addiction published.

Alternative geneeskund e

Rudy Lampe, president of the extra-parliamentary party RED, joins as a citizen with the ideas of the foundation Legalize Marijuana. He was earlier this week at the meeting with the Minister present. The legalization of cannabis for medicinal use would be a major boost to our economy can give, says Lampe. The closure of the refinery in San Nicolas and the negative impact on many businesses, according to Lampe makes that diversifying the economy is now more important than ever. "We can not just remain dependent on tourism. That makes us very vulnerable. "Lampe therefore proposes to make Aruba a center for alternative medicine 'to do with marijuana homegrown. "Let's not just our beaches as a gift of nature, but we also embrace other gifts, such as the cannabis plant." Lampe wants marijuana in this way a 'second pillar of our economy'. "The international trend is to weed sales and use to decriminalize or legalize." Pharmaceutical companies worldwide recognize cannabis or marijuana growing as a "miracle drug," said Lampe. "Our Indian ancestors used it even as medicine."

Another goal of the Foundation Legalize Marijuana is the common drugs out of hiding to retrieve and thus prevent users easily to other drugs come. Lampe stressed that his involvement with the Foundation has nothing to do with politics. "I am a citizen who is concerned about the growing number of drug addicts on the streets." Because the popular soft drugs and hard drugs like marijuana is illegal, marijuana users often come into contact with people who are not only able to deliver marijuana, but also other illegal drugs . By soft drugs and hard drugs to separate people come into contact with hard drugs less and there are fewer addicts, that's the least idea. Lampe says that the use of hard drugs, particularly cocaine, a large flight has taken on our island. "Cocaine affects your health, you're hooked, you become aggressive towards your own family, you're going to steal and ruining your family life." Lampe said further that it is proven that marijuana use, cocaine use drops dramatically. toleration in the Netherlands Since the 70s the soft drugs marijuana and hashish tolerated. This means that the use, under controlled conditions, not punished. Moreover, consumers up to 5 grams of cannabis hemp plants possess or 5. The sale of soft drugs is done in so-called coffee shops, strictly bound by certain rules. So drugs may not be sold to minors and may limit the sale of five grams of cannabis per transaction are not exceeded. Nor may coffeeshops too close to a school located. While many municipalities are against, is currently experimenting with a so-called wietpas where only residents of the Netherlands are allowed to visit a coffeeshop. This is to reduce drug tourism. Towns fear that the street marijuana thus increases again. Since 2003, the pharmacy medicinal cannabis.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
Yeah, that's a good idea.  Get more people driving under the influence  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2012, 09:25:32 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120914/11871/Juancito_Yarzagaray_ta_ser_busca_pa_recherche_manera_recherche_a_bay_nos (http://www.awe24.com/20120914/11871/Juancito_Yarzagaray_ta_ser_busca_pa_recherche_manera_recherche_a_bay_nos)

TM - is the article above talking about the "haunted house" of Juancito Yarzagaray?

See our murder and crime rate thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1060862#msg1060862 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1060862#msg1060862)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2012, 09:49:21 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120914/11871/Juancito_Yarzagaray_ta_ser_busca_pa_recherche_manera_recherche_a_bay_nos (http://www.awe24.com/20120914/11871/Juancito_Yarzagaray_ta_ser_busca_pa_recherche_manera_recherche_a_bay_nos)

TM - is the article above talking about the "haunted house" of Juancito Yarzagaray?

See our murder and crime rate thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1060862#msg1060862 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1060862#msg1060862)

I think the article says that he was hiding out in the haunted house, that he ran into the "forest" and they didn't catch him but found some items they believe are stolen inside.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
If I'm understanding this correctly, the three suspects in a murder from August of last year were sentenced to three years each.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20120911/11844/10_ana_en_total_como_castigo_di_asesinato_di_un_africano_na_Tarabana

10 year provided that overall because; castigo of asesinato of one africano at tarabana

3 day happen come across, 11 of september 2012 11:55

seccion: incidente

diabierna morning owing to present the sospechosonan of asesinato of one africano at tarabana 14 of august year happen, the 2 rumannan alejandro y alikay thielman y the another sospechoso come across. the rumannan thielman owing to achieve cada one 3 year y mey while the another jamanica owing to achieve 3 year then provided that overall they owing to achieve 10 year the trio here owing to achieve because; castigo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: GabbyG on September 15, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and let everyone know that I am still in the rafters watching and waiting. Wishing good things for everyone, and waiting for justice for Natalee and Stephanie. Love to you all!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 15, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and let everyone know that I am still in the rafters watching and waiting. Wishing good things for everyone, and waiting for justice for Natalee and Stephanie. Love to you all!


Hi GabbyG!!  ::HelloKitty::   I'm glad you popped in!  Long time no see.  I think we have a lot of monkeys like yourself up in the rafters watching and waiting for justice.   We've seen when there's a development in Natalee's or Stephany's cases, there's a big turn out of monkeys in this thread.  I hope all is well with you.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2012, 11:49:02 PM
Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and let everyone know that I am still in the rafters watching and waiting. Wishing good things for everyone, and waiting for justice for Natalee and Stephanie. Love to you all!

 ::HelloKitty:: Great to see you GabbyG!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2012, 12:02:50 AM
http://www.24ora.com/poweredbysetar/52950-setar-a-tene-un-cocktail-party-special-pa-prensa-como-press-appreciation-day

Papiamentu translation:

setar owing to as one cocktail party special for prensa because; “press appreciation day“

friday, 14 september 2012 14:49

recientemente setar owing to as one cocktail party at garufa cocktail lounge in honor of the miembronan of prensa cu they owing to calling “press appreciation”. the team of corporate communications y departamento of mercadeo of setar owing to calling the personahenan of prensa thanks for her cooperacion during all year y owing to combersa y entercambia of idea cu they.

during the nightfall here, setar owing to expresa they gratitut for her good relacion cu have cu miembronan of prensa y aprecio for they work. tanto media scirbi, media cybernetico, radio y television owing to ricibi one trato of vip y enbes cu they owing to saca potret, the team of setar owing to saca they potret y owing to place they because; huespednan distingui the nightfall ey. at end of night owing to rifa various premionan of cual the ganadornan owing to varia of various media.

 ::snipping2::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 16, 2012, 09:42:01 AM
Looks like Tito has gained back most of the weight he lost.  Julia is still ugly inside and out, wouldn't matter how much lipstick you put on her or what you dress her in.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2012, 09:53:16 AM
Looks like Tito has gained back most of the weight he lost.  Julia is still ugly inside and out, wouldn't matter how much lipstick you put on her or what you dress her in.


Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2012, 06:49:20 PM
JULIE RENFRO - HEART OF STONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 117:
  It's the police spokesman calling the tip line.  "We have a girl and we think she is Natalee.  Go to Bulbali station.  We want you to identify her."

About this time Jug, who is out on searches, gets the same tip from the island newspaper reporter.  "Julia found a girl and thinks it's Natalee.  Let's meet at Bubali."

The physical need to touch Natalee overwhelms me.  Both fists are flexing open, then shut, then stretched open again.  I want to hug her.  Hold her.  Touch her hair.  Take her her home.

Page 118:  The police spokesman who just called has her picture.  He must know this is Natalee.  And Julia is a reporter.  She certainly has photos of Natalee, because she has used them in her newspaper.  She must know this is really her.

We finally arrive to see multitudes of people standing outside of the dark police station.  We are the last ones here. ....

Everyone present is either a native islander or with the media.  They all knew to be here before we even got the call.  They all knew.

Page 119:  The people who told us to be here know what Natalee looks like.  And maybe she is here and has told them her name herself!  Still no one is in sight.  I keep looking toward the office area behind the short swinging counter door to see someone - anyone - coming our way.  We are alone .  Waiting.

More time passes.  Then from the left a door opens, and detective Jacobs brings a woman out.  Jug and I don't move.  She looks like she could be an American.  She has very dark hair.  We don't know if she's a tourist or if she lives here, but she looks nothing like Natalee.

I can't believe I even let myself experience another feeling of "This is it."  Why do I do this?

The answer must be hope.  What else could sustain a person to endure all this?  Hope is the reason I believed Natalee was going to come through that door.  Hope is why we react the way we do at all of these strange and excruciating and ultimately disappointing occurrences.  It's that glimmer of a promise that the answer will be revealed.

Silent, Jug and I simply walk out of the police station and go our separate ways.

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
JULIA RENFRO - RENEE GIELEN - HEARTS OF STONE

Lexy Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:44 pm

NATALEE HOLLOWAY THE UNREVEALED TIME LINES

Julia Renfro:
She asked the world to hit Aruba in the pockets, she asked the world not to travel to Aruba... She said Aruba was "seedy", dangerous and corrupt for the world to hear. She tried to steal the food off the Aruban families' tables, the books from the Aruban schools, 40% of the Police budget and millions of dollars were spent looking for her daughter, yet Beth signed a release waiver in Alabama releasing the travel agent from responsibility if something were to happen to her. The truth is, Beth sent her minor child to a foreign country to drink and co-ed party unsupervised. She signed the Release, she let her go, she is responsible. Don't give her a voice unless she is there to apologize to the good people of Aruba for the damage she did to this island.

Renee Gielen:- I do not only agree with Julia, but there is much more.

Source:  RU


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
JULIA RENFRO - HEART OF STONE

Why Julia?

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #891 on: March 07, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »


Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
http://noticias.terra.com/crimenes/corte-idh-evalua-pedido-de-holandes-van-der-sloot-de-nuevo-juicio-en-peru,35d58d9eb45d9310VgnVCM20000099cceb0aRCRD.html

Google translation

Court order HDI assesses Dutchman Van der Sloot in Peru retrial
September 17, 2012 • 1:47 PM

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights, based in San Jose, Costa Rica, accepted and assessed a demand Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot of repeating the trial for which he was convicted in Peru, said Monday his lawyer told AFP, Maximum Altez.

"The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment.'m Sure we will win," said Van der Sloot's attorney, whose client meets from eneero passed a sentence of 28 years for the murder of a young Peruvian.

According to AFP said the lawyer Max Altez, "we have asked that the case back to square one and start a new process for failure to respect the rights of Joran Van der Sloot", 24.

The request for Van der Sloot was released in May, days before the Peruvian courts approve extradition to the U.S., where a court of Alabama claims him for the crimes of extortion and fraud perpetrated against Elizabeth Ann Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, 18, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

The extradition decision, dated June, has "the postponement (of the measure) until completion of the criminal proceedings pending in Peru and, if applicable, to the fulfillment of the conviction or sentence."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 17, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
http://noticias.terra.com/crimenes/corte-idh-evalua-pedido-de-holandes-van-der-sloot-de-nuevo-juicio-en-peru,35d58d9eb45d9310VgnVCM20000099cceb0aRCRD.html

Google translation

Court order HDI assesses Dutchman Van der Sloot in Peru retrial
September 17, 2012 • 1:47 PM

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights, based in San Jose, Costa Rica, accepted and assessed a demand Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot of repeating the trial for which he was convicted in Peru, said Monday his lawyer told AFP, Maximum Altez.

"The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment.'m Sure we will win," said Van der Sloot's attorney, whose client meets from eneero passed a sentence of 28 years for the murder of a young Peruvian.

According to AFP said the lawyer Max Altez, "we have asked that the case back to square one and start a new process for failure to respect the rights of Joran Van der Sloot", 24.

The request for Van der Sloot was released in May, days before the Peruvian courts approve extradition to the U.S., where a court of Alabama claims him for the crimes of extortion and fraud perpetrated against Elizabeth Ann Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, 18, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

The extradition decision, dated June, has "the postponement (of the measure) until completion of the criminal proceedings pending in Peru and, if applicable, to the fulfillment of the conviction or sentence."
 ::snipping2::



Yadda Yadda Yadda - bring him here to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - he can bunk with us for 50 years!
He signed his confession
He said his confession in court
He wrote a letter of his confession

now we'll take care of the rest in the good ol USA - so Peru go ahead and set him free - we'll take over! And then the Leprechauns are next for their trial!


You'll be surprised how easy it is Deepak!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
I CAN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE RIGHT NOW

Beth Holloway - June, 2012

"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 02:51:30 PM
A CONSCIOUS DECISION

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 03:06:54 PM
Grace

Thank you for the update.  The silence encompassing ANYTHING regarding what is going on behind the Peruvian scenes in regards to Joran van der Sloot has been deafening.

I realize it is not enough for the Flores family but ... I don't care what kind of a privileged prison life Joran may be afforded in Peru ... I am thankful he is not free ... thankful that other Natalees and Stephany's are not at risk.

Janet

++++++


EXCESSIVE PRIVILEGES SINCE THE FIRST DAY

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST


<snipped>
 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.
 
Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 03:52:34 PM
You're welcome, Janet!  I agree with you; he is not free to hurt anyone else.  Bless Natalee and Stephany!
Nothing new in the strategy...He's still using the same ole defense strategy--

Quote
Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer plans to appeal every ruling that goes against his client and go over the head of the Peruvian justice system if he thinks he needs to. His plan is to "paralyze the process," Maximo Altez tells CNN.

http://www.newser.com/story/94095/van-der-sloot-lawyer-ill-paralyze-court-process.html

Van der Sloot Lawyer: I'll 'Paralyze' Court Process
Posted Jun 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 04:55:17 PM
You're welcome, Janet!  I agree with you; he is not free to hurt anyone else.  Bless Natalee and Stephany!
Nothing new in the strategy...He's still using the same ole defense strategy--

Quote
Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer plans to appeal every ruling that goes against his client and go over the head of the Peruvian justice system if he thinks he needs to. His plan is to "paralyze the process," Maximo Altez tells CNN.

http://www.newser.com/story/94095/van-der-sloot-lawyer-ill-paralyze-court-process.html

Van der Sloot Lawyer: I'll 'Paralyze' Court Process
Posted Jun 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT


I believe Joran holds the ace in a deck of cards on so many levels in his ability to manipulate the Peruvian outcome in the Stephany Flores case.  The question is "Where is the financial backing coming from?"  Think about it.  If Joran talks and exposes all regarding higher ups within and without of the corrupted Aruban investigation ... the corrupt Aruban investigation that protected Joran from accountability and denied justice for Natalee Holloway ... the Aruban house of cards will collapse.  IMO

Janet

++++++

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »

I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
Beth Holloway - October, 2005

"They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 17, 2012, 06:00:21 PM
I don't believe there can be the kind of manipulation of the courts afforded Joran in Peru as was done in Aruba. (Not for him anyway, LOL)  Two very different worlds, Peru and Aruba.  Joran messed up and murdered the young  daughter of a highly regarded Peruvian public figure in Peru.  Joran was arrested, brought to trial and sentenced, and he's serving that sentence now.   He certainly didn't go free, did he?   I think it's Joran's attorney making noise like defense attorneys do.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
I don't believe there can be the kind of manipulation of the courts afforded Joran in Peru as was done in Aruba. (Not for him anyway, LOL)  Two very different worlds, Peru and Aruba.  Joran messed up and murdered the young  daughter of a highly regarded Peruvian public figure in Peru.  Joran was arrested, brought to trial and sentenced, and he's serving that sentence now.   He certainly didn't go free, did he?   I think it's Joran's attorney making noise like defense attorneys do.  JMHO

I agree with everything that you said--especially about his defense attorney.  ::boxingjoran::
IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 06:22:49 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1470959/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-afirma-que-corte-idh-evaluara-nuevo-juicio

Google translation

Monday September 17, 2012 16:32
Van der Sloot attorney says IACtHR evaluate new trial

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights (IACHR), whose headquarters are located in San José, Costa Rica, will evaluate the request for the defense of Joran van der Sloot to repeat the trial of the case Stephany Flores.

As reported, the Dutchman was sentenced to 28 years in prison for murdering the 21 year old said in May 2010.

His lawyer Max Altez confirmed to AFP that three months ago sent your application and just last week we reported the decision: "The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment. I am sure we will win. "

The defending European murderer said he has asked that the case back to square one and start a new process, because "rights were respected" Van der Sloot. "They have violated their rights to due process: irregular shape was extradited from Chile and Peru not put a translator," said Altez.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 17, 2012, 06:41:14 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1470959/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-afirma-que-corte-idh-evaluara-nuevo-juicio

Google translation

Monday September 17, 2012 16:32
Van der Sloot attorney says IACtHR evaluate new trial

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights (IACHR), whose headquarters are located in San José, Costa Rica, will evaluate the request for the defense of Joran van der Sloot to repeat the trial of the case Stephany Flores.

As reported, the Dutchman was sentenced to 28 years in prison for murdering the 21 year old said in May 2010.

His lawyer Max Altez confirmed to AFP that three months ago sent your application and just last week we reported the decision: "The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment. I am sure we will win. "

The defending European murderer said he has asked that the case back to square one and start a new process, because "rights were respected" Van der Sloot. "They have violated their rights to due process: irregular shape was extradited from Chile and Peru not put a translator," said Altez.
 ::snipping2::



Altez had to try to find something, and I guess he's going to beat this dead horse once again.  Defense attorney's love technicality things, don't they?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1470959/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-afirma-que-corte-idh-evaluara-nuevo-juicio

Google translation

Monday September 17, 2012 16:32
Van der Sloot attorney says IACtHR evaluate new trial

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights (IACHR), whose headquarters are located in San José, Costa Rica, will evaluate the request for the defense of Joran van der Sloot to repeat the trial of the case Stephany Flores.

As reported, the Dutchman was sentenced to 28 years in prison for murdering the 21 year old said in May 2010.

His lawyer Max Altez confirmed to AFP that three months ago sent your application and just last week we reported the decision: "The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment. I am sure we will win. "

The defending European murderer said he has asked that the case back to square one and start a new process, because "rights were respected" Van der Sloot. "They have violated their rights to due process: irregular shape was extradited from Chile and Peru not put a translator," said Altez.
 ::snipping2::



Altez had to try to find something, and I guess he's going to beat this dead horse once again.  Defense attorney's love technicality things, don't they?

bbm ^^^ Yep, until he gets a favorable ruling. lol  They probably enjoy punching holes in the state's evidence or rulings; it is their job after all--they owe it to the defendant.

If Altez sent an application to IACHR to review the case, has the Peruvian Supreme Court ruled on the length of the sentence yet?  I thought that all legal appeals must be finished before IACHR accepts an application for consideration?  IIRC, the extradition issue to the U.S. is on hold until the legal process is finished.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Could it be that Dutch/Aruban/Peruvian behind the scenes negotiations motivated Peruvian's highest court to reverse the original ruling of a judge regarding immediate extradition of Joran van der Sloot to Alabama to be tried for the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway?  Joran's attorney did not anticipate the extradition reversal by Peru's highest court.

Think about it.  Why would Peru's highest court prevent Joran's immediate extradition to Albama while logic dictates that in 9-28 years the extortion case would be compromised on so many levels in regards to the testimony of witnesses?  It doesn't make sense UNLESS higher ups behind the scene has Joran's back.  IMO

I know in 28 years ... Tamikosmom will be pushing up daisies.

Janet

+++++


THE REVERSED ALABAMA EXTRADITION RULING

June, 2010 - Holland/Aruba Has Joran van der Sloot's Back from the Getgo?


Van der Sloot remains jailed as murder investigation continues
June 6, 2010 9:39 p.m. EDT


<snipped>

Carlos Neyra, an official with the Peruvian National Police criminal investigation division, said van der Sloot, the sole suspect named in the case, has not been formally charged

Neyra added that van der Sloot now has a lawyer. The Netherlands Embassy says it is working with local authorities in the case, but it is not paying for a defense attorney.

The Embassy has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian interior minister is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/06/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin
 
 
Aruban, Peruvian authorities will 'help each other' in murder probe
By the CNN Wire Staff | June 15, 2010


Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores -- in which Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect, an Aruban government spokesman said Tuesday.

<snipped>

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/aruban


April, 2012 - Peru Approves Extradition

Peru Gives Green Light For Joran Van Der Sloot To Be Extradited To The U.S.
Apr 24, 2012

 
Peru has approved the extradition of convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.
 
According to court documents obtained by Joran's attorney Maximo Altez, a Peruvian judge has approved a U.S. request for provisional detention, marking the first step in the extraction process and meaning he could land on American soil within three months, reported CNN.com.
 
Once his appeal for that sentence is completed in the next month, "He will go to trial in the United States. Once he is sentenced, he will return to Peru to finish serving his 28 years, and then go back to the States to serve whatever sentence he gets there,” explained Altez, where U.S. authorities want to try the Dutchman on charges of extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway case.
 
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/joran-van-der-sloot-extradited-us-peru


May, 2012 - Joran Fights Extradition

Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S. From Mayra Cuevas
May 9, 2012


Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

Representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI attended the extradition hearing, which was not open to the public, Maximo Altez told InSession on Tru TV.

<snipped>
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html


June, 2012 - Joran's Extradition is Delayed
 
Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
June 4, 2012


Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

<snipped>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605

s.t. yw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2012, 09:17:02 PM
I don't believe there can be the kind of manipulation of the courts afforded Joran in Peru as was done in Aruba. (Not for him anyway, LOL)  Two very different worlds, Peru and Aruba.  Joran messed up and murdered the young  daughter of a highly regarded Peruvian public figure in Peru.  Joran was arrested, brought to trial and sentenced, and he's serving that sentence now.   He certainly didn't go free, did he?   I think it's Joran's attorney making noise like defense attorneys do.  JMHO

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 17, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
I personally don't believe Peru wants Joran (a foreigner) going anywhere until he serves his sentence for murdering one of their citizens on their soil. (not to mention he fled the country before being caught).  It's not like he is some sort of diplomat or important person, so there's no reason to give him any privileges.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   I don't think any "Higherups" anywhere have his back.  I think he might have made some money by selling his story or photos, and of course there was that very disturbed Mary person that gave him funds, and there may be others that will give money in exchange for his story or exclusive book or something, but no, I don't think these days Joran has much pull.  His notoriety is probably what's funding him now.  Kind of like the women that want to marry Scott Peterson.   ::MonkeyTongue::  I don't think any extraditions are in his cards any time soon, since they will need to wait in line till he finishes his sentence in Peru.  JMHO
Self edit in blue.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1539582#msg1539582


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Joran's Big Win!!

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client.  If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 17, 2012, 09:53:06 PM
Murder of a Peruvian citizen trumps extortion of Beth Holloway (legally).  There is no Peruvian and Dutch behind the scenes conspiracy to deny Beth Holloway justice, it's just a murder conviction trumps a possible extortion conviction.  Those are the cold facts. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 09:54:10 PM
A FIVE STAR HOTEL

Since the First Day

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years


<snipped>
 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 17, 2012, 09:57:47 PM
Janet - Please stop with the conspiracies.  It's been 6 years and a lot has happened.  If Joran was in KIA I might agree with you but not Peru.  The conspiracy theories are exhausting and I'm not getting any younger  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
Murder of a Peruvian citizen trumps extortion of Beth Holloway (legally).  There is no Peruvian and Dutch behind the scenes conspiracy to deny Beth Holloway justice, it's just a murder conviction trumps a possible extortion conviction.  Those are the cold facts. 

Klaas

An immediate extradition to Alabama to face extortion charges does not imply that Joran would escape serving his Peruvian sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores.  However ... it would assure that the extortion case is not compromised with the passage of time.

Janet

++++


Peru Gives Green Light For Joran Van Der Sloot To Be Extradited To The U.S.
Apr 24, 2012

 
Peru has approved the extradition of convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.
 
According to court documents obtained by Joran's attorney Maximo Altez, a Peruvian judge has approved a U.S. request for provisional detention, marking the first step in the extraction process and meaning he could land on American soil within three months, reported CNN.com.
 
Once his appeal for that sentence is completed in the next month, "He will go to trial in the United States. Once he is sentenced, he will return to Peru to finish serving his 28 years, and then go back to the States to serve whatever sentence he gets there,”  explained Altez, where U.S. authorities want to try the Dutchman on charges of extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway case.
 
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/joran-van-der-sloot-extradited-us-peru



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Janet - Please stop with the conspiracies.  It's been 6 years and a lot has happened.  If Joran was in KIA I might agree with you but not Peru.  The conspiracy theories are exhausting and I'm not getting any younger  ::MonkeyCool::

It has been over 7 years since the last time that Beth saw her daughter.

Natalee did not receive justice in Aruba and ... the Peruvian highest court overturned a lower court's decision that may have afforded Beth justice for the extortion by Joran ... the  extortion beyond cruel.

Could it be that maybe ... just maybe ... Beth Holloway/John Q. Kelly may also question the Peruvian rulings that have favored Joran when compared to what he could have received?

When/If the truth is revealed ... I will either gloat or eat an entire humble pie.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on September 17, 2012, 10:24:43 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1470959/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-afirma-que-corte-idh-evaluara-nuevo-juicio

Google translation

Monday September 17, 2012 16:32
Van der Sloot attorney says IACtHR evaluate new trial

The Inter-American Court of Human Rights (IACHR), whose headquarters are located in San José, Costa Rica, will evaluate the request for the defense of Joran van der Sloot to repeat the trial of the case Stephany Flores.

As reported, the Dutchman was sentenced to 28 years in prison for murdering the 21 year old said in May 2010.

His lawyer Max Altez confirmed to AFP that three months ago sent your application and just last week we reported the decision: "The Court has accepted the document and now I will evaluate, based on that will render a judgment. I am sure we will win. "

The defending European murderer said he has asked that the case back to square one and start a new process, because "rights were respected" Van der Sloot. "They have violated their rights to due process: irregular shape was extradited from Chile and Peru not put a translator," said Altez.
 ::snipping2::



Heh, heh, dream on Joran.

I don't think that court of human rights is even binding unless a country just agrees to abide by its decision.  Not gonna happen.

I'm just delighted for every day Joran serves in one of the worst prisons on the face of the earth.  It doesn't get much better than this in real life.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 17, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
You are right, 7 years not 6.  Long day and like I said, I'm not getting any younger  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 17, 2012, 10:30:22 PM
Janet - Please stop with the conspiracies.  It's been 6 years and a lot has happened.  If Joran was in KIA I might agree with you but not Peru.  The conspiracy theories are exhausting and I'm not getting any younger  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Klaas, and Janet, just give it up.  It is no longer making sense, if it ever did.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
Anyone know why initials are being posted after some of Janet's posts? 

Just wondering.

Maybe that's why?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 18, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Anyone know why initials are being posted after some of Janet's posts? 

Just wondering.

Maybe that's why?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




I don't know about the initials, but I sure am sick of seeing offers to eat humble pie
or crow pie. 
 We all know that will never happen.    ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Anyone know why initials are being posted after some of Janet's posts? 

Just wondering.

Maybe that's why?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




I don't know about the initials, but I sure am sick of seeing offers to eat humble pie
or crow pie. 
 We all know that will never happen.    ::MonkeyRoll::

  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 01:43:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/128583-possibly-new-murder-trial-for-joran

Possibly new murder trial for Joran       
Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:14
 
ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The Inter-American Court for human rights will study the investigation and the trail of Joran van der Sloot. Lawyer Máximo Altez stated before the Peruvian newspaper El Commercio that the Court has accepted his document with the request for revision. The request was submitted months ago.

According to Joran’s lawyer, his client’s right to a fair trial was violated because he wasn’t given an interpreter and because of his illegal extradition from Chili to Peru. “The Court has accepted the document. I’m certain we will win”, the lawyer said yesterday.

Joran’s lawyer had already submitted a ‘special request for revision’ earlier on when he requested an entirely new trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. According to Joran, his lawyer at the time, José Jiménez, had misled him. This lawyer namely advised Joran to agree with the charge from Justice and to declare himself guilty. In exchange he would receive a maximum sentence of 15 years instead of the demanded 30 years. Joran had subsequently declared he was guilty but the court sentenced him to 28 years imprisonment. Jiménez always denied the accusations and thinks his former client knew exactly where he stood when he declared himself guilty.

Expectations are that it will be the end of the year before this appeal comes up in court. The lawyer of the Flores family, Stephany’s next of kin, stated the appeal doesn’t stand a chance and consider the case closed.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 19, 2012, 04:54:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/128583-possibly-new-murder-trial-for-joran

Possibly new murder trial for Joran       
Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:14
 
ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The Inter-American Court for human rights will study the investigation and the trail of Joran van der Sloot. Lawyer Máximo Altez stated before the Peruvian newspaper El Commercio that the Court has accepted his document with the request for revision. The request was submitted months ago.

According to Joran’s lawyer, his client’s right to a fair trial was violated because he wasn’t given an interpreter and because of his illegal extradition from Chili to Peru. “The Court has accepted the document. I’m certain we will win”, the lawyer said yesterday.

Joran’s lawyer had already submitted a ‘special request for revision’ earlier on when he requested an entirely new trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. According to Joran, his lawyer at the time, José Jiménez, had misled him. This lawyer namely advised Joran to agree with the charge from Justice and to declare himself guilty. In exchange he would receive a maximum sentence of 15 years instead of the demanded 30 years. Joran had subsequently declared he was guilty but the court sentenced him to 28 years imprisonment. Jiménez always denied the accusations and thinks his former client knew exactly where he stood when he declared himself guilty.

Expectations are that it will be the end of the year before this appeal comes up in court. The lawyer of the Flores family, Stephany’s next of kin, stated the appeal doesn’t stand a chance and consider the case closed.
 

I agree 100% with the highlighted above  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: wreck on September 19, 2012, 08:20:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/128583-possibly-new-murder-trial-for-joran

Possibly new murder trial for Joran       
Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:14
 
ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The Inter-American Court for human rights will study the investigation and the trail of Joran van der Sloot. Lawyer Máximo Altez stated before the Peruvian newspaper El Commercio that the Court has accepted his document with the request for revision. The request was submitted months ago.

According to Joran’s lawyer, his client’s right to a fair trial was violated because he wasn’t given an interpreter and because of his illegal extradition from Chili to Peru. “The Court has accepted the document. I’m certain we will win”, the lawyer said yesterday.

Joran’s lawyer had already submitted a ‘special request for revision’ earlier on when he requested an entirely new trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. According to Joran, his lawyer at the time, José Jiménez, had misled him. This lawyer namely advised Joran to agree with the charge from Justice and to declare himself guilty. In exchange he would receive a maximum sentence of 15 years instead of the demanded 30 years. Joran had subsequently declared he was guilty but the court sentenced him to 28 years imprisonment. Jiménez always denied the accusations and thinks his former client knew exactly where he stood when he declared himself guilty.

Expectations are that it will be the end of the year before this appeal comes up in court. The lawyer of the Flores family, Stephany’s next of kin, stated the appeal doesn’t stand a chance and consider the case closed.
 

I agree 100% with the highlighted above  ::rhino::
AMEN!!  ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2012, 12:54:23 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Sept2010_NyPost.jpg)



"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


The Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKERS / BETH HOLLOWAY

How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifted by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong? Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

© 2012 Premiere Speakers Bureau

http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway
http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway/bio




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2012, 09:38:59 PM
Michael and Thelma King from South Carolina were found murdered in St. Maarten

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13543.msg1540028#msg1540028

In the land of Hans Mos, Taco Stein, and Peter De Witte.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hope they can solve this crime! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 23, 2012, 01:47:06 AM
Michael and Thelma King from South Carolina were found murdered in St. Maarten

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13543.msg1540028#msg1540028

In the land of Hans Mos, Taco Stein, and Peter De Witte.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hope they can solve this crime! 

At least they are not trying to pass it off as a double suicide.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
This is about a murder case in Curacao.  The murderer, James Murray (born in Aruba) has been serving his life sentence in Aruba at KIA; reportedly because of problems from other inmates in the prison in Curacao.  James Murray's appeal was based on a new law that could have made him eligible for an early release.  I thought it was interesting because it does show that they can and do lock some offenders up for life...it's just not often from everything I've seen over the years. 

With so many injustices, just needed to give a shout out for Justice in this case!   

::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

http://www.qracao.com/index.php/voorpagina/3011-james-murray-komt-wellicht-nooit-meer-vrij

Google translation:

James Murray will probably never be free

Last Updated on Friday, September 21, 2012 4:54 p.m. | Written by Independiente | | |

WILLEMSTAD -  James Clifton Murray is not free. That's the Joint Court decided this morning. The life of the murderer punished 6-year Darly Lai seized the opportunity of the new Civil Code from Curacao to be eligible for early release. He's since 1979 his sentence. Vain.

The court considers the risk of recurrence by Murray still present. According to psychologists is already at his sentencing noted that Murray has a severe personality disorder. The expert reports which are now made clear by the Court that important aspects of his deranged karkaterstructuur, as his antisocial personality, poor conscience development and lack of empathy are still present.

Treatment during the 33 years imprisonment not occurred. This is partly meant that Murray never spoken - as is usual during treatment - which circumstances have brought him to his there. So on that basis he understand how he could have given such conditions may prevent or cope.

Also at the hearing, according to court Murray was no evidence that he himself is responsible enough to give account of the seriousness and the absurdity of the murder and how he was able to do so proceed.

The Court concludes that the probability Murray after release still in repetition will fall so large that the protection of society be a primary consideration. The good behavior of Murray in the final years of his detention blames the Court in the structured setting in which circumstances it was then brought up his act now missing. Outside the prison, as the court deems that conditions there. The risk of recurrence is thus considered too great.

The Court also has the [position of the victims included in his judgment. Especially the fact that Murray relatives after his act has threatened them to do something for the court weighs heavy. It is partly for this reason that the Court considers that the life sentence is still a reasonable purpose: protection of society and of the families of Darly Lai.

The court is aware of the fact that the considerations now lead to a rejection of the request by Murray at liberty to be made will remain valid in the future. Only treatment of Murray and victim counseling of relatives would change this can bring.

because after 33 years captivity still not treated.

Photo: Family comes from the court, after having heard the verdict (Photo: Independiente)

---------------------

Murder revenge
James Murray, now sixty, killed on 23 May 1979 the six Darly Lai revenge on her aunt where he had a friendly relationship with maintained. Aunt who had forbidden him to have contact with the family after she had learned that he had been tried for sexual assault of a young girl. Murray swore according to witness statements revenge and "her dearest will to tackle." The small Darly was not long afterwards found dead on the plain of Hato. She was with several stab wounds to death.



The short podcast at the bottom of this article is interesting imo
http://www.sxmislandtime.com/component/k2/item/18453-sexual-predator-and-murderer-james-murray-may-be-released-decision-pending.html


Earlier request by the victim's family on Change.org
http://www.change.org/petitions/superior-court-of-justice-say-no-to-the-release-of-convicted-killer-james-murray?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=autopublish#

(http://d22r54gnmuhwmk.cloudfront.net/photos/0/se/gn/XRSEGNyEygVoWjn-556x304-noPad.jpg)

Petitioned Superior Court of Justice
Superior Court of Justice: Say NO to the Release of Convicted Killer "James Murray"...

by Y Z
Curacao, Netherlands Antilles
 Closed
with 3,884 supporters
Supporters are signing:

On May 23rd 1979, a 6 years old sweet an innocent girl “Darley Lai” was brutally assaulted and murdered by a close family friend “James Murray”; although, this cold-blooded killer was then convicted to a maximum sentence of life in prison, a new Curaco Criminal Code (Nieuw Wetboek van Strafrecht Curaçao) has been introduced on November 15, 2011, which stipulates in Article 1:30 that a person sentenced to Life in Prison and after serving 20 years of its sentence has the right to appeal the judgment and have the Superior Court of Justice determine if the convicted person could regain its conditional freedom.

Given that James Murray has already served more than 20 years of its sentence (without displaying any sign of remorse), he now qualifies to have his Life Sentence revoke by the Superior Court of Justice and in this way regain his freedom.

A criminal like Murray can never be release free given that in the past he has threaten the grieving family, has assaulted several inmates and has also been clinically diagnosed as a psychopath due to his lack of remorse, and due to his disregard for the rights of others (in prison and on the streets) and for his indifference to the rules of society. In other words, if released from prison, a high probability exists that James Murray can commit a similar brutal crime in the future.

Please sign this online petition and join us in demanding that James Murray serves his Life Sentence as originally convicted and help us keep our streets and children safe…..

Forever Grateful,

- Family of Darley Lai -

Not in English but it's about Darly's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKMb4DELvYo&feature=BFa&list=UUXeLTsCp4sqzNE3sgVlSOuQ


Thank goodness James Murray's appeal was  ::monkeydenied::

::justice2NJ:: for Darly Quillan Evarista Lai! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Darly%20Lai%20Curacao%201979/DarlyLai1_zpsad4ab947.jpg)

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2012, 03:50:50 PM
http://www.qracao.com/index.php/voorpagina/3011-james-murray-komt-wellicht-nooit-meer-vrij

Google translation:
 ::snipping2::

Quote
The court considers the risk of recurrence by Murray still present. According to psychologists is already at his sentencing noted that Murray has a severe personality disorder. The expert reports which are now made clear by the Court that important aspects of his deranged karkaterstructuur, as his antisocial personality, poor conscience development and lack of empathy are still present.


 ::snipping2::



http://joran.tv/

Joran van der Sloot Trial Postponed

January 6, 2012

(Joran.TV) - On the opening day of his trial for the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, Joran van der Sloot asked for more time to, as he put it, "reflect" on what plea he will enter.

There was much speculation earlier, later confirmed by his attorney, that the plan was for the Dutch national from Aruba to plead guilty to all charges. However, van der Sloot, looking tired and giving the impression of being indifferent and bored by the proceedings before the three judge panel, requested more time because he wanted to give "a sincere confession" and because he disagreed with some of the charges prosecutors outlined against him.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/index.html

Van der Sloot postpones plea
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 10:36 PM EST, Fri January 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::

The Dutch national was considered the prime suspect in the case of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished in 2005 while on a graduation trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba. She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and two other men. Van der Sloot was arrested twice but never charged in connection with Holloway's disappearance, which is still unsolved.

He now stands accused of killing Flores in his Lima hotel room in May 2010. Police say he took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested a few days later.

Van der Sloot faces a sentence of up to 30 years in prison. Flores' family later tried -- unsuccessfully -- to convince three judges from the superior court of Lima to impose an even more serious slate of charges that could have included a life sentence.

The victim's family, including her father, Ricardo Flores, had pushed for stiffer charges and said that van der Sloot hasn't looked "remorseful" in court appearances.

"He had an indifferent and prideful attitude. He looks as if he has everything under control. He looks better than when he appeared on TV after he was arrested," Ricardo Flores told CNN last year.

 ::snipping2::

Besides the Flores murder trial, van der Sloot also faces extradition to the United States. In June 2010, a federal grand jury in Alabama indicted him on charges of wire fraud and extortion after allegations surfaced that he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother. He was given a total of $25,000, and authorities believe he used that money to travel to Peru and participate in a poker tournament, where he met Flores.

Holloway's father told HLN's "Nancy Grace" show on Friday night that he felt van der Sloot appeared intent on trying to "cause ... issues and problems" during his court appearance. The father said he that believed the Dutch national seemed to be trying to manipulate the Peruvian system, saying he felt he'd done the same in court appearances in Aruba surrounding his daughter's disappearance.

"He's done this many times before," Dave Holloway said. "I think this was all planned out."


http://joran.tv/

(http://joran.tv/resources/Daily-Summary-trial-of-Joran-van-der-Sloot.jpg)

 ::snipping2::

(http://joran.tv/resources/_wsb_500x254_joran+van+der+Sloot+laughing+in+court.jpg)

 ::snipping2::

(http://joran.tv/resources/_wsb_501x357_Joran+van+der+Sloot-Fox-screengrab.jpg)

 ::snipping2::


Just sayin'   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 23, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on September 23, 2012, 11:18:32 PM
Suspect nabbed in brutal murder of wealthy South Carolina couple found dead in their Caribbean home
 
‘These two people probably had to hang their wings up at night. That's how beautiful they were,’ says stunned friend.

By Christine Roberts / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, September 23, 2012, 3:26 PM


 Police have nabbed a suspect in the gruesome murder of a wealthy South Carolina couple found dead in their St. Maarten home.

The slashed bodies of Michael and Thelma King were found Friday at the couple's beachfront condominium on the small Dutch Caribbean territory.

Michael and Thelma, both in their 50s, suffered fatal stab wounds, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said. Thelma was found tied to a chair, while her husband was found on the floor, partially lying on an overturned chair.

The male suspect was arrested before dawn Sunday, said police spokesman Ricardo Henson, adding that authorities will release a statement "as soon as more information can be divulged."

A motive for the brutal slayings remains unclear.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-nabbed-brutal-murder-wealthy-south-carolina-couple-found-dead-caribbean-home-article-1.1165914#ixzz27LxS62Qf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2012, 11:30:56 PM
Suspect arrested in deaths of US couple on Caribbean island
Published September 23, 2012


St. Maarten police on Sunday arrested a suspect in the slayings of a South Carolina couple whose slashed bodies were found in their beachfront condominium on the tiny Dutch Caribbean territory.

<snipped>

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said both Americans appeared to have suffered fatal stab wounds.

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/23/suspect-arrested-in-deaths-us-couple-on-caribbean-island/?test=latestnews



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2012, 11:42:53 PM
THE RELEASE OF JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH

A Dog and Pony Show

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
Michael and Thelma King from South Carolina were found murdered in St. Maarten

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13543.msg1540028#msg1540028

In the land of Hans Mos, Taco Stein, and Peter De Witte.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hope they can solve this crime! 

The link above is to the thread about the murders of Michael and Thelma King.

The guy they've arrested is a Jamaican Security Guard from what I've read, (imagine that).

Just hope they've got the person that committed this senseless brutal crime, and they aren't still running around free and destroying evidence!

Natalee's case and Han Mos' participation in it has come up a lot in the comments to articles about this case.  And as would be expected by anyone that followed Natalee's case, they aren't being very kind or trusting of Hans Mos.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 24, 2012, 02:09:20 AM
I hate aruba,,, because of every thing it stands for......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 24, 2012, 05:50:58 PM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


http://superartists.com/

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/superartists.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 08:51:29 PM
In the translation, "Vroljik" translated into "Merry."

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/129234-mep-start-verkiezingscampagne

Google translation

MEP election campaign starts
Monday, September 24, 2012 9:50

 ::snipping2::
MEP seeks candidates for the maximum number on a dial (29). Twelve candidates on the previous list in 2009 were, gave at the party conference yesterday again for election. Even Edison Briesen is back in action. The remaining seventeen sites are so filled by newcomers. Yesterday, two new election candidates proposed for the end of this year hopes party leader Evelyn Wever-Croes 20-22 names down already. "The rest will be completed next year."

Clock
Besides the stage hung a digital clock showing the number of days, hours and minutes before the elections: one year and two days in total. "We put the clock at the party house, so every time the people of AVP long drive to see how much time they have left in the government before we take back," said party leader Croes. That was the tone of the meeting also put. Other candidates and party were celebrities in their speeches onto the motif that are not going to Aruba and that the AVP-government voters has cheated, but that MEP ready to leave the country to get back on their feet. Party leader Croes presented the new, intricate party structure around which leaders are accountable to heads, who in turn must notify district heads who finally tell their story to the party. The party is still looking for volunteers who want to be near leader. MEP also presented the new party logo and the new website. Finally gave Stephanie Croes (28), a student at the University of Aruba, and elementary school teacher Edgar Merry(Vroljik) (35) and they were both a speech as the new candidates presented to the public.

"Reopening" refinery
That MEP renews, does not mean that the party breaks with the past. Former leader Nelson Oduber Sat prominent front, flanked by his wife and his son Dangui of whom it is said that he later candidate will provide. He was repeatedly thanked extensively and gave the final speech of the evening. In it he said that the MEP topics and issues of the campaign next year will have to dictate. MEP leader Croes said they, once in government, is going to focus on reopening the refinery. Oduber said then that the chances of reopening is very small and that the party does not have to make big promises.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 09:04:38 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=24539

Conference between the US. Consulate General and members of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation. (AH&SF)
Posted by Aruba Daily on September 24th, 2012

ARUBA – FBI- graduate Roland W. Peterson and Dario F. Soemers, both of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation, on Thursday Sept. 20,2012, had a meeting with the US Consulate General: Ms. Valerie Belton, who is stationed in Curacao. The Consulate General who seemed to be very well informed had interest in the Security conference the AH &SF recently held, and also had questions about the security and police service of the U.S. tourist in Aruba.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: wreck on September 24, 2012, 09:05:48 PM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 24, 2012, 09:30:07 PM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: wreck on September 24, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 09:59:14 PM
::MonkeyWink::
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

...and "Sloot" = ditch  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
In Curacao, 19 year old missing since January; remains identified.

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/bulletin/lichaam-rayzienne-scoop-gevonden

Google translation:

Body found Rayzienne Scoop

Published on September 21, 2012 - 6:23 pm

WILLEMSTAD - The Body in March at Playa Kanoa was found clear of the January disappeared 19 years Rayzienne Scoop to be. That the Prosecution has confirmed this morning. The cause of death is still not listed by the OM.

Rayzienne was last in district Rancho seen with her friend. The two had a fight. According to the statement of her boyfriend refused Rayzienne in the car and she had to walk the rest. After that, no one heard from her.

Following the mysterious disappearance were different searches by both citizens and the police set up. Then in March by a hiker an unrecognizable body was found at Playa Kanoa, most searches have ceased.

The remains were sent to the Netherlands where the identity and cause of death by the Dutch Forensic Institute was chosen. The NFI says the identity of the body to have overtaken by means of DNA-technologies. This morning was also the family of the girl informed by the Public Prosecutor. The prosecution says the investigation in this case to pursue further.

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/images/lead/2012/09/rayzienne1.jpg)
 Rayzienne Scoop


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 25, 2012, 01:20:54 AM
::MonkeyWink::
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

...and "Sloot" = ditch  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: .... and changes him from being "of the ditch" to just being a ditch.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 25, 2012, 09:06:45 AM
::MonkeyWink::
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

...and "Sloot" = ditch  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: .... and changes him from being "of the ditch" to just being a ditch.


http://www.babynology.com/meaning-valentijn-m46.html
Meaning of Valentijn  In Latin Valentijn is:  Strong

Instead of  being "Strong of the ditch" he's now just strong ditch.  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on September 25, 2012, 09:26:29 AM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Yeah. . . like that's going to fool anybody!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 25, 2012, 02:20:57 PM
Left a post in musings.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Ono on September 25, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
Hmmm...still in California, but at a new job for one month.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0

Valentijn Sloot
Assistant at Super Artists
Los Angeles, California (Greater Los Angeles Area) Media Production


....and he dropped the "Van Der" ............ I don't blame him for that!!

You can take the "Van Der" out of "Van Der Sloot", but you're still left with "Sloot".   ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 25, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/129344-court-expands-with-three-female-judges

Court expands with three female judges       
Monday, 24 September 2012 16:50 

WILLEMSTAD — The Communal Court of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and the BES-Islands expanded with three female judges, who were installed last Friday in the presence of their family members, Governor Frits Goedgedrag, Minister of Justice Elmer ‘ Kadè’ Wilsoe, the military, consular and civil authorities, the members of the Bar and Notary and the employees of the office of the Public Prosecutor and the Registrar of the court.

The new members of the court, Inge W.M. Laurijssens, Froukje J. Lourens and Irma H. Lips, who were installed by the president of the Court, Lisbeth Hoefdraad, will have their domicile on Curaçao.
 ::snipping2::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2012, 08:34:21 PM
http://www.todaysxm.com/2012/09/25/opinion-condolences/

Opinion: Condolences

POSTED: 09/25/12 2:02 PM

The murder of Michael and Thelma King has made a deep impression, not only on ordinary citizens, but also on local politicians. The outpouring of condolences to family, friends and loved ones of the Kings by the prime minister, cabinet-members, COM-President Alain Richardson, and even the employer of the arrested suspect is unprecedented in St. Maarten’s history as we know it. Part of these messages is without any doubt genuine, but there is also another side to the story: the fear for a backlash against the islands tourism-economy.

Because the large-scale team of investigators – 25 strong according to a press release from the prosecutor’s office – managed to arrest a suspect so quickly, that backlash will most likely not materialize. But St. Maarten is sure getting its part of negative publicity in media in the United States, Canada, Europe and the wider Caribbean.

News broadcaster CNN and the Live5 TV-station from South Carolina both have approached this newspaper for information and we have given that to the best of our abilities, without falling in the cheap trap of rumor mongering that is so popular at undisciplined and unprincipled so-called news web sites on our island.

Comments on the story on the CNN website show that some Americans are still badmouthing Aruba about the Natalee Holloway disappearance from May 2005, but there are plenty of others who point out that in some American cities more people get murdered in a week than in a year in the Caribbean. (That would probably be true if one excluded Jamaica).

Anyway, the fallout from this grisly and horrible crime seems to be limited in terms of the economy.

That does not change the fact that two people who loved our island have lost their lives at the hands of a lunatic, or maybe even at the hands of more lunatics.

It is hard to imagine why anyone would want to murder two people in such a horrific way. If this was an ordinary robbery, the robbers could just have taken off with what they wanted and leave their victims alone.

If there is more to the story than meets the eye right now – well, we would not want to speculate about that, and we trust that when the investigation is completed and the suspect or suspects stand in front of our resident judge, the true facts about the case will become public knowledge. Until then there is little else to do that, indeed, extend condolences on behalf of the whole island to the family, friends and loved ones of Michael and Thelma King.
For what it’s worth we add here the condolences on behalf of the Today Newspaper management and staff.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2012, 09:46:16 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 25, 2012, 11:13:23 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court



     ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 26, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court


Continued again tick tock....
CASE NUMBER: 31-2012-08311
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court


Continued again tick tock....
CASE NUMBER: 31-2012-08311
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   17-OCT-2012
3rd District Court
http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames




Wonder why the continuance?  Could they need more time to build a defense?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2012, 04:46:27 PM
Suspect arrested in deaths of US couple on Caribbean island
Published September 23, 2012


St. Maarten police on Sunday arrested a suspect in the slayings of a South Carolina couple whose slashed bodies were found in their beachfront condominium on the tiny Dutch Caribbean territory.

<snipped>

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said both Americans appeared to have suffered fatal stab wounds.

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/23/suspect-arrested-in-deaths-us-couple-on-caribbean-island/?test=latestnews



Hans Mos?

What was really behind the November/December, 2007 apprehension of Joran, Deepak and Satish by Hans Mos ... the apprehension that coincided with the Persistence search ... the Persistence search that also involved the Aruban prosecutor.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2012, 04:48:38 PM
NOVEMBER/DECEMBER, 2007

Hans Mos - The Apprehension of Joran, Deepak and Satish

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
DECEMBER, 2007

Hans Mo - The Persistence - The Trap

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg700424;topicseen#msg700424

Kyle Kingman: Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves. That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699121;topicseen#msg699121

Kyle Kingman:  I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system. The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp. This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg706983;topicseen#msg706983

oceanexploration: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857

Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Forum


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2012, 05:59:53 PM
The Most Irresponsible Investigating

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM
»

But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 26, 2012, 06:17:08 PM
 ::HelloKitty::  AZ Sunny!  Good to see you.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2012, 06:37:34 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court


Continued again tick tock....
CASE NUMBER: 31-2012-08311
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   17-OCT-2012
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Wonder why the continuance?  Could they need more time to build a defense?   ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering about that too...maybe you're right.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 26, 2012, 06:43:14 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court


Continued again tick tock....
CASE NUMBER: 31-2012-08311
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   17-OCT-2012
3rd District Court
http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames




Wonder why the continuance?  Could they need more time to build a defense?   ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering about that too...maybe you're right.   ::MonkeyCool::

Probably take much longer to sift through all the crap that would be on that computer.  We all know his main interests so can only imagine  (shudder)  at what he has saved on it.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer092612.jpg)


Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
Judge orders Jamaican to be held in deaths of SC couple on Caribbean island
Published September 26, 2012


A judge in St. Maarten ordered a Jamaican security guard held Wednesday as a suspect in the slaying of a South Carolina couple who were stabbed to death in their Caribbean vacation home.

<snipped>

The hearing was closed to the press and public, but Solicitor General Taco Stein said later that the magistrate ruled there was enough evidence to hold Johnson for at least 10 more days pending further investigation. Prosecutors must return to court after that if they want to keep holding Johnson.

His lawyer says he denies killing the couple.

Police and prosecutors in St. Maarten have been in contact with the FBI, which offered assistance in the investigation.

"This offer was kindly accepted and both police and prosecution are now discussing with FBI where the help could be most effective," Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said in a statement Wednesday night. "It is likely that some investigation will have to be conducted in the USA."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/26/jamaican-security-guard-detained-in-deaths-sc-couple-on-caribbean-island/



ARUBA NEVER PASSED THE BALL - NOT FOR ONE MINUTE

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 02:44:39 AM
http://smn-news.com/letters/10521-murders-of-americans-should-be-prosecuted-by-us-department-of-justice-and-fbi-to-avoid-another-natalie-holloway-miscarriage-of-justice-by-dutch-government.html

Letters to the editor 


Murders of Americans Should Be Prosecuted by U.S. Department of Justice and FBI to Avoid Another Natalie Holloway Miscarriage of Justice by Dutch Government.

WEDNESDAY, 26 SEPTEMBER 2012 23:36    SMN-NEWS TEAM   

In the U.S. there is a violent crime such as murder, rape, etc. every day. There are approximately 365 million people in the US, including approximately 20 million people there illegally who also commit murders. In fact, this story has not been reported on the "main stream media" - I only saw it on CNN on the Internet.

What makes this murder so different from the murders that occur daily in the US is very simple to understand. The island makes 85% of its money from tourism, including cruise boat one-day visitors, tourists here for a couple of weeks, and Americans who have invested money in property and businesses on the island.

St. Martin has always had two faces. The French Gendarmes intentionally under-report crime. They openly discourage tourists from making crime reports. The Dutch side is no better. Create the image to tourists that the island is safe, and more money will arrive in local businesses and in tax receipts! Crime is bad for business. Let's pretend St. Martin is safe for everybody to get the tourist money? Is that what we want on our island?

I will pray for the entire King family. I will not jump to conclusions, although much of the information leaked to the press makes it sound as though they arrested at least one of the murderers. This senseless murder affects the family, friends, and every resident of St. Martin. The Kings were well known and liked by many here and at home, and their murder will not be forgotten.

The American FBI should be called in to investigate and make an arrest in the murder of two American citizens. The FBI has superior technology, does not have political influence of the island's politicians, and they have authority to investigate and prosecute world wide when American citizens are murdered. The accused should face American justice.

Dutch law in Aruba failed the family of Miss Natalie Holloway, and the Dutch murderer went on the kill again in Peru - on the 5th anniversary of Natalie's murder! The FBI should have handled that case, but were prevented by an ignorant Dutch Government.

I ask all residents of St. Martin to write and plead with the American Attorney General, Mr. Eric Holder, to order the FBI in. Letters can be sent to:

U. S. Attorney General Eric Holder
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

C. F. Bordelon
Supporter of Better and Safer Life on St. Martin


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2012, 01:44:25 PM

<snipped>

Judge orders Jamaican to be held in deaths of SC couple on Caribbean island

ARUBA NEVER PASSED THE BALL - NOT FOR ONE MINUTE

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.



Chavez: Bush ‘devil’; U.S. ‘on the way down’
September 21, 2006


Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez tore into his U.S. counterpart and his U.N. hosts Wednesday, likening President Bush to the devil and telling the General Assembly that its system is "worthless."

"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Bush, who addressed the world body during its annual meeting Tuesday. "And it smells of sulfur still today."

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html


Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Does Hugo Chavez want to reunify the islands of The Dutch West Indies, including Aruba? Will it be called Venezaruba?    What is to stand in his way? The irrational and socialist actions of Hugo Chavez lately make one think that anything is possible when it comes to this demagogue

With Chavez’s socialist  economic and land grab by  his government one would begin to worry what Hugo’s intentions are in the Caribbean. Aruba, being a stones throw from Venezuela could be a prime and easy target.

<snipped>

For those that say it could never happen. Would anyone put anything past the insanity of a dictator like Hugo Chavez and what he is capable of?
 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on September 27, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
Tomorrow is a big day for someone  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

RE-TRIAL CONFERENCE  26-SEP-2012   3rd District Court

FORECLOSURE SALE:

Aug 12, 2012 – Foreclosure for sale 46 VERVENA ST, Cranston, RI 02920

PHOTOS of home here & listing:
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Originally Received: 6/5/2012 Last Refreshed: 9/27/2012 12:19:00 PM
Listed By: Center Place Realty & Investm

Taxes due:
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46 VERVENA ST
CRANSTON, RI  02920
   
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:08:34 PM
Another murder in Aruba...

http://www.awe24.com/20120925/11993/Den_e_area_cerca_di_e_trailer_na_Alto_Vista_a_bin_logra_haya_e_curpa_di_e_dama

Papiamentu translation:

in the area close of the trailer at alto vista owing to come succeed achieve the curpa of the lady asesina cruelmente

2 day happen come across, 25 of september 2012 16:09

seccion: incidente

more after in oranan of nightfall during one buskeda the curpa of the lady owing to being encontra in forest just east of the trailer where the victima was live. the curpa of the lady owing to being encontra y was have sample palpable of cu ela being brutalmente agredi. at the sitio owing to present dr. anthony, also fiscal y departamento technico of police. at the sitio we owing to ricibi several informacion addicional not oficial cu is till hour cu they owing to come of scol, they owing to bay ne cuarto y owing to see the cuarto reboltea y at blood, at once they owing to core beat alarma. the lady here was jama Esperanza A. Marte naci at republica dominicana day 10 of half 1965. for casualidad on the day here the have to owing to bay registra his matrimonio for so his casa can owing to come of republica dominicana for live at aruba y is die some hour first cu the realisa this. team of recherche is on the caso earnest here of asesinato y is wait for cu soon can grab the murderer.

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11993/1_1348649691.jpg)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11993/51_1348650146.jpg)

More pictures at the link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120925/11984/Polisnan_investigando_un_posibel_caso_criminal_na_un_trailer_na_Alto_Vista_e

Papiamentu translation:

polisnan investigando one possible caso criminal at one trailer at alto vista, the lady injury is desapareci

2 day happen come across, 25 of september 2012 13:50

seccion: incidente

tuesday nightfall owing to enter informe of cu one lady will owing to calling all histerico at yoramento at telephone cu will have cantidad of blood plama at one adres at alto vista, at once owing to dirigi patruyanan at the sitio. at arrival of the patruyanan owing to come constata cu enberdad have much blood plama in the trailer y cu they're achieve miss of one lady cu live eynan, they owing to try calling the lady at his celular but not have none contesta. at once owing to close full the area near of the cas for so inicia cu the investigacion. according informacionnan cu we owing to succeed ricibi is indica cu the lady here recientemente owing to being maltrata but the lady does not owing to let know that neither what owing to pase.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
13 year old girl is missing...

http://www.awe24.com/20120924/11977/Polis_buscando_un_mucha_muher_di_13_ana_cual_famianan_no_sa_di_su_paradero

Papiamentu translation:

police buscando one child muher of 13 year cual famianan not know of his paradero

3 day happen come across, 24 of september 2012 13:45

seccion: incidente

monday afternoon autoridadnan policial owing to being informa of one child muher of 13 year cu is being busca, already cu for of saturday his parents not know where the is.

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/11977/1_1348513082.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
Not sure about this article, if the date is wrong or if she had gone missing earlier in August?


http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing         

Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46
 
Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:32:31 PM
http://arubaherald.com/911/3463-murder-victim-is-mother-of-three-worked-at-marriott.html

Murder victim is mother of three, worked at Marriott         
Wednesday, 26 September 2012 08:54
   
The 51-year-old woman found dead in the countryside of Alto Vista in a police search has been identified as Esperanza Amparo Marte, born in Monte Plata, Dominican Republic and holding the Dutch nationality.

She has three children, two adults and one 12-year-old; her youngest lived with her in a trailer in Alto Vista. Esperanza worked in the Housekeeping Department of Marriott Hotel.

Her mother said they had watched a soap opera together the night before, when Esperanza received a phone call. According to her mother, she mentioned a passport and said she had not yet received this. The mother said suggested that this call should be investigated.

The mother commented that the person who killed her daughter must have known her, because he or she locked the door of the space where her 12-year-old daughter had been asleep. Tuesday around 6 a.m. the daughter woke up and was taken to the bus stop by her grandfather who lives close by. At the time they had not noticed a puddle of blood in the house and it was not until her 9-year-old niece was sent to call her for lunch, around 2 p.m., that she saw the blood and family notified the police. Family had been calling Esperanza’s cellular phone in the morning, but had gotten no answer.

The police was immediately notified and began an investigation and search. The family feared something had happened to the 51-year-old woman. During a thorough search police found the woman’s body in the countryside close to the home in the Alto Vista neighborhood. First observations indicate the woman had been hit with something on the head. Police had the entire area closed off for the investigation for hours.

The victim’s mother said she had been planning for the arrival of her new husband, whom she had gotten married to in June and the intention was to expand the trailer they lived in to offer better privacy to her 12-year-old.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2012, 11:40:16 PM
Not sure about this article, if the date is wrong or if she had gone missing earlier in August?


http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing         

Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46
 
Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1536195#msg1536195

At the link above Klaas posted the article from August...she returned home safely that time.

Hope she's still safe...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
::HelloKitty::  AZ Sunny!  Good to see you.  ::bee::
(((Hugs!)))


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
Will a conscience prevail with the passing of time and the truth will be exposed?

There are those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  There are those higher ups within and without of the corrupt Aruban investigation who from the getgo were never on a mission of justice for Natalee Holloway.  There were those aboard the Persistence who actively or passively participated in the betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family by furthering the Dutch/Aruban cover up agenda to protect Joran van der Sloot.

This morning's testimony of a 35 (?) year old husband/father in front the church congregation renewed my fading hope that answers will be forthcoming in the Natalee Holloway case.  Brett is on a mission seeking forgiveness for past transgressions from those who he caused others so much grief.

Janet

++++++

Oprah Winfrey Show – January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We’ve never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we’ve relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


NANCY GRACE
Natalee Holloway Suspect`s Father Dies Suddenly in Aruba
Aired February 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCE GRACE, HOST: What`s your reaction to the news that daddy Van Der Sloot is dead, collapsing on a resort`s tennis court?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: You know, I really didn`t have any initial reaction, Nancy, other than the fact that, you know, it`s -- two sides of it. You know, you`ve got to feel for some of the innocent people that he has affected, you know, certainly, his immediate family, but a bunch of the other people on the island, as well as us. And you know, secondly, now that he`s not controlling the police investigation, leniency towards what the judges write (ph) and then his own son, you know, maybe there`s hope that someone will talk.

<snipped>

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/11/ng.01.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2012, 04:16:12 PM
The Next Oncoming Show

DREAMS

by Natalee Holloway


Dreams come to us almost every night
But some are filled with terror and fright
While others can be of a beautiful sight.

Princesses, castles, horses, and kings
Prince Charming giving you a lovely ring
These are all of the fantasy things.

Death, sorrow, heartbreak, and grief
A tree losing its very last leaf
These dreams leave us in disbelief.

Some dreams we may always want to keep
those that leave us as safe as guarded sheep
And sadly others may make us weep.

Whatever happenes we must always know
Dreams will constantly come and go.
So, always be ready for the next oncoming show.


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 30, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 30, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
Will a conscience prevail with the passing of time and the truth will be exposed?

There are those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  There are those higher ups within and without of the corrupt Aruban investigation who from the getgo were never on a mission of justice for Natalee Holloway.  There were those aboard the Persistence who actively or passively participated in the betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family by furthering the Dutch/Aruban cover up agenda to protect Joran van der Sloot.

This morning's testimony of a 35 (?) year old husband/father in front the church congregation renewed my fading hope that answers will be forthcoming in the Natalee Holloway case.  Brett is on a mission seeking forgiveness for past transgressions from those who he caused others so much grief.

Janet

++++++

Oprah Winfrey Show – January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We’ve never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we’ve relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


NANCY GRACE
Natalee Holloway Suspect`s Father Dies Suddenly in Aruba
Aired February 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCE GRACE, HOST: What`s your reaction to the news that daddy Van Der Sloot is dead, collapsing on a resort`s tennis court?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: You know, I really didn`t have any initial reaction, Nancy, other than the fact that, you know, it`s -- two sides of it. You know, you`ve got to feel for some of the innocent people that he has affected, you know, certainly, his immediate family, but a bunch of the other people on the island, as well as us. And you know, secondly, now that he`s not controlling the police investigation, leniency towards what the judges write (ph) and then his own son, you know, maybe there`s hope that someone will talk.

<snipped>

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/11/ng.01.html


Dave should have just said: Good.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

From what I understand that scum bag didn't have a history of heart problems, until he dropped like a rock, that is.

He died roughly at 58... no history of any problems... and still, all will say it was natural. Not that I am complaining, though. It couldn't have happened to a
nicer piece of chattel.

God Bless Dave - the man that does have some heart issues... still standing, after all this time. A good man.

Natalee and Stephany were our members, not theirs.


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Post by: grace-land on October 02, 2012, 11:30:05 AM
http://www.larepublica.pe/02-10-2012/recluyen-en-piedras-gordas-asesinos-de-ruth-thalia

Google translation

Piedras Gordas to imprison murderers of Ruth Thalía
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 | 9:49 a.m.

The murderers of Ruth Thalía Sayas, the first contestant on "The value of truth", were moved yesterday to maximum security prison Piedras Gordas I, of Ancon. About 20 police escorted the vehicle that led to the prison to Bryan Romero and uncle Redy Leiva Leiva Cerrón from the lockup of the Judiciary. The Classification Board National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), composed of psychologists, lawyers and social workers decided to confine them in that place because it is "extremely dangerous individuals."
 
In Piedras Gordas I also purges Jose Astuhuamán forcible detention (a) 'Papita', who was shot and left the little Romina quadriplegic during an assault on the Expressway. Similarly, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, murderer of Myriam Fefer, and Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, convicted of killing Stefany Flores Ramirez student.
 
The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, Piedras Gordas I explained that a special closed regime prison. "The vast majority of inmates are very serious offenses. The staff who work there and has taken preventive measures," said the official.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2012, 12:11:29 AM
Coming up in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend

11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)


04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 01:20:20 AM
Coming up in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend

11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)


04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)



FLASHBACK

December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg

 
He usually focuses on relationship problems, but even Dr. Phil couldn't resist joining the media circus surrounding the Natalie Holloway case. And now it may cost him.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, teenage brothers who were once considered prime suspects in the 18-year-old's May 30, 2005, disappearance while vacationing in Aruba, is suing the Dr. Phil show, claiming they were defamed on national TV.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

The episode in question aired Sept. 15, 2005, on the nationally syndicated show, days after the brothers were released from custody by Aruban police. Holloway was last seen getting in a car with the siblings and Dutch teen Joran Van Der Sloot, but authorities said they lacked sufficient evidence to hold the teens, in part because investigators could not determine whether Holloway was dead or alive since her body had yet to be found.

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

Per court documents, McGraw & Co. specifically implied that the siblings slipped Holloway a date-rape drug, forced her to have nonconsensual sex and then supposedly aided in killing her and hiding the body, allegations which the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot have denied.

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

The suit claims Deepak Kalpoe agreed to the sit-down with the P.I. in the assumption that Skeeter might help clear him and his brother. Skeeter allegedly told Kalpoe that the gruff McGraw was a "god" who could "influence a country" and help their case.

<snipped>

A lawyer for the Kalpoes could not be reached for comment Friday. Their suit seeks unspecified general, special and punitive damages.

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 01:35:46 AM
FLASHBACK

May, 2009


Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)

Posted May 9, 2009 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2012, 03:00:47 AM
Coming up in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend

11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)


04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)



Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: MuffyBee on October 05, 2012, 07:42:43 AM
Coming up in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend

11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)


04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)




I sure would like to see this come to fruition in my lifetime. 
 ::boxingmonkeys:: ::boxingmonkeys::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Coming up in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend

11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)


04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)




FLASHBACK


December, 2006

Natalee's Parents Sue Kalpoe Brothers
December 15, 2006


Two brothers from Aruba, twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, filed a lawsuit this week in Los Angeles against talk show host Dr. Phil, opening themselves up to the jurisdiction of the California courts. Natalee's parents, Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway, immediately filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Kalpoes in the same court.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe filed a defamation suit against Dr. Phil, CBS, Paramount, and others over an interview they claimed "was manipulated and later broadcast by the 'Dr. Phil' show as being accurate and which portrays Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe 'as engaging in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway and constitutes defamation per se.'"

When the Kalpoes filed their lawsuit Wednesday, it opened them up to civil jurisdiction of the California courts under a "related case" lawsuit, according to the attorney for Natalee's parents. A day after the Kalpoes filed, the Alabama teen's parents filed against the Kalpoes.

The family's lawsuit claims the Kalpoes caused the death of Natalee Holloway by "intentionally, negligently, wantonly ... unlawfully conducting themselves" to bring about her fatal injuries.

"All we want is justice for our daughter. There is no doubt in my mind that Deepak and Satish played a role in my daughter's death and should be held accountable," Beth Twitty said in a news release. "It is unconscionable that they have not been punished so far."

<snipped>

http://crime.about.com/b/2006/12/15/natalees-parents-sue-kalpoe-brothers.htm


June, 2007

Judge Tosses Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Holloway Case
Saturday, June 02, 2007


LOS ANGELES —  A judge dismissed a wrongful-death lawsuit Friday against two Aruba brothers filed by the parents of a teenager who vanished during a vacation there.

The parents of Natalee Holloway cannot sue in Los Angeles because the case has no California connection and the courts lack jurisdiction over the brothers, Superior Court Judge Charles C. Lee said in granting a motion to toss out the lawsuit.

Elizabeth Ann Twitty of Alabama and Dave E. Holloway of Mississippi will decide whether to appeal, said their attorney, John Q. Kelly.

"There are all kinds of promising issues," Kelly said after the ruling.

A similar lawsuit filed in a New York court against another Aruba man, Joran van der Sloot, was thrown out by a judge last summer.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277272,00.html




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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 11:25:33 AM
FLASHBACK

August, 2006

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
Considering extention deadlines to afford the Kalpoe's time to produce court requested documents crucial to Phil McGraw's defence have come and gone over the years ... why has the defamation case not been thrown out?

Janet

+++++

February, 2008

Judge: Holloway-related suit goes on against CBS and ’Dr. Phil’ McGraw
By Associated Press
Wednesday, February 6, 2008


LOS ANGELES - A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

<snipped?

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes’ lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

<snipped>

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view.bg?articleid=1071660


September, 2007

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


<snipped>

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 01:31:59 PM


September, 2007

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


<snipped>

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html
 


John ... it apparent that the years have proven the Kalpoes can and they have and ... Phil McGraw's high profile attorneys appear to be powerless to stop it.  The court has ruled on behalf of the plaintiffs every time.  What's up?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2012, 05:33:47 PM
Janet - Los Angeles courts are very busy.  I'm sure the extensions allowed are as much for the courts sake as the Kalpoes or Dr. Phil.  I'm also sure this case isn't high priority for the courts. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 06:11:18 PM
Janet - Los Angeles courts are very busy.  I'm sure the extensions allowed are as much for the courts sake as the Kalpoes or Dr. Phil.  I'm also sure this case isn't high priority for the courts. 

.... but six years is sooo long ... six years of the Kalpoes failing to produce court requested documents ... documents that are crucial if Phil McGraw is to prove that defamation did not happen even if the "editing" of the recording is deemed "manipulation".  Six years of the court placing deadlines and not following through with dismissal of the lawsuit is so frustrating.

At 65 years of age ... I know in all likelihood I'll be pushing up daisies when Peru extradites Joran to Birmingham in 28 years.  The slow progression of the defamation lawsuit implies .... there may be another verdict that I am not privy to.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

04/29/09

Honorable Edward A. Fernes

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf



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Post by: Kermit on October 05, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
THE NEW STIPULATION OF FACTS - PLANTIFFS AS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE FIGURES

There are THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FACTS/EVIDENCE THAT POINT TO THE LEPRECHAUN'S
AS LIARS, FAME SEEKERS, SUSPECTS IN A MURDER CASE!



(http://i45.tinypic.com/15g9eyx.png)


(http://i49.tinypic.com/2vnl28h.png)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 05, 2012, 09:02:43 PM
Janet,

It would be more helpful to put together the pieces of who is behind the lawsuit. 
And helpful to put together a document showing/evidence of the Kalpoes seeking public figure status.





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Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
I've thought about Sage a couple times this week, hadn't checked in on her in a while...

So sad...  :cry:  

http://www.americanhumane.org/in-memorium-hero-dog-sage.html

::MonkeyAngel::

(http://www.americanhumane.org/hero-dog-sage.png)

Saying Good Bye to Hero Dog Sage

On August 13 @ about 1225 hours, Diane Whetsel gave K-9 Sage Her last command. The command was to travel on to the rainbow bridge.

Diane told Sage that she couldn't go with her on this trip, that this trip she would have go alone. Sage understood. Before she left, Sage had a short game of frisbee that she enjoyed and then she popped about ten balloons, all in record time.

After the balloon popping Diane gave Sage permission to go and in doing so Diane was able to fulfill her promise to Sage that she would never suffer or be in pain.

Sage is truly a remarkable Hero Dog. We miss her terribly.

http://www.fallendogs.com/story.php?dogID=51

 ::snipping2::

Sage’s career hit the ground running. At age 2, after passing the FEMA Canine Readiness Evaluation at just 18 months old, she was called to the Pentagon in recovery efforts immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Sage’s acute search abilities resulted in the detection of one of the terrorists’ remains.

Along with numerous local missing person searches, Sage’s missions have included Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, and searching for missing teenager Natalee Holloway.

In 2007-2008 Sage was deployed to Iraq to search for missing U.S. soldiers. In 2009, she was diagnosed with two types of lung cancer, both uncommon in dogs and believed to be the result of searching several highly toxic sites in service to our country.

Sage has lost two lung lobes and has undergone chemotherapy. No cancer is detected at present, but she will have x-rays every three months for the rest of her life.

Sage’s latest mission is inspiring cancer patients and survivors with her resilience, enthusiasm and passion for life. She has been a hero at Camp Enchantment, a children’s cancer camp, by helping them see that their illness doesn’t have to dampen their spirits. She also happily walks alongside human cancer survivors at “Relay for Life” events.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.fallendogs.com/slir?w=300&i=/kcfinder/upload/images/dogs/sageone.jpg)


Video of Diane and Sage from 2011

Hero Dog Sage - American Humane Association

http://youtu.be/RSZWjIXHFrA

http://www.youtube.com/v/RSZWjIXHFrA?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
Janet,

It would be more helpful to put together the pieces of who is behind the lawsuit. 
And helpful to put together a document showing/evidence of the Kalpoes seeking public figure status.





Go for it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
Joran van der Sloot has a financial interest in a positive outcome of the defamation lawsuit.

Janet

++++

The Lawsuit

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
The Range Rover "Confession" and the Lawsuit

More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2012, 09:51:23 PM
I've thought about Sage a couple times this week, hadn't checked in on her in a while...

So sad...  :cry:  

http://www.americanhumane.org/in-memorium-hero-dog-sage.html

::MonkeyAngel::

(http://www.americanhumane.org/hero-dog-sage.png)

Saying Good Bye to Hero Dog Sage

On August 13 @ about 1225 hours, Diane Whetsel gave K-9 Sage Her last command. The command was to travel on to the rainbow bridge.

Diane told Sage that she couldn't go with her on this trip, that this trip she would have go alone. Sage understood. Before she left, Sage had a short game of frisbee that she enjoyed and then she popped about ten balloons, all in record time.

After the balloon popping Diane gave Sage permission to go and in doing so Diane was able to fulfill her promise to Sage that she would never suffer or be in pain.

Sage is truly a remarkable Hero Dog. We miss her terribly.

http://www.fallendogs.com/story.php?dogID=51

 ::snipping2::

Sage’s career hit the ground running. At age 2, after passing the FEMA Canine Readiness Evaluation at just 18 months old, she was called to the Pentagon in recovery efforts immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Sage’s acute search abilities resulted in the detection of one of the terrorists’ remains.

Along with numerous local missing person searches, Sage’s missions have included Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, and searching for missing teenager Natalee Holloway.

In 2007-2008 Sage was deployed to Iraq to search for missing U.S. soldiers. In 2009, she was diagnosed with two types of lung cancer, both uncommon in dogs and believed to be the result of searching several highly toxic sites in service to our country.

Sage has lost two lung lobes and has undergone chemotherapy. No cancer is detected at present, but she will have x-rays every three months for the rest of her life.

Sage’s latest mission is inspiring cancer patients and survivors with her resilience, enthusiasm and passion for life. She has been a hero at Camp Enchantment, a children’s cancer camp, by helping them see that their illness doesn’t have to dampen their spirits. She also happily walks alongside human cancer survivors at “Relay for Life” events.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.fallendogs.com/slir?w=300&i=/kcfinder/upload/images/dogs/sageone.jpg)


Video of Diane and Sage from 2011

Hero Dog Sage - American Humane Association

http://youtu.be/RSZWjIXHFrA

http://www.youtube.com/v/RSZWjIXHFrA?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0

http://americanhumaneblog.org/2012/08/message-from-k-9-sage-whetsel-january-08-1999-%E2%80%93-august-13-2012/

29th Aug, 2012

Message from K-9 Sage (Whetsell)
January 8, 1999 - August 13, 2012


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 12:37:17 PM
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Job well done! R.I.P.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 01:02:19 PM
Janet,

It would be more helpful to put together the pieces of who is behind the lawsuit. 
And helpful to put together a document showing/evidence of the Kalpoes seeking public figure status.





Go for it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Kermit

I could be wrong but ... I do not think that the Kalpoes ever put themselves out there in interviews or sought public status.  Considering the Prosecutor's office will not released court requested case documents ... could it be that transcripts of incriminating quotes of ALE investigators/prosecutors/spokespersons in statements and interviews are a foundation that Phil McGraw's attorney can based a defamation defence.  In other words ... if officials related to the Natalee Holloway case cast suspicion on the Kalpoe brothers prior to the show ... defamation has already taken place.  Anyways ... I have a compilation of these quotes and have shared them with the forum in the past.

IF the Dr. Phil recording was only "edited" and not "manipulated" ... I cannot comprehend why this recording does not stand alone.  A comparison of the original interview which is saved on Skeeters' hard drive against the Dr. Phil recording would reveal the truth.  Case Closed!!  Deepak defamed himself with his own words.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Janet,

It would be more helpful to put together the pieces of who is behind the lawsuit. 
And helpful to put together a document showing/evidence of the Kalpoes seeking public figure status.





Go for it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 01:10:20 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 01:21:09 PM
Thanks Kermit

I wish I knew the definition of seeking "public figure status".  Somehow private emails, private interviews, facebook accounts and socializing does not fit that definition but ... I could be wrong.  However ... the quotes gleaned from officials within the Natalee Holloway investigation through televised interviews and public statements should be considered evidence in the defamation defence.  IMO.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 01:42:24 PM
Quote
Kermit

I could be wrong but ... I do not think that the Kalpoes ever put themselves out there in interviews or sought public status. 

You have a two-part reasoning. So I'll try to answer it as such.

When Deepak & Satish started lying and plotting through emails, verbal statements to public authorities and then sought to
sell their story to publications (verified by evidence) they attempted to seek their public status or thereby enhance it.
In other words, they knew they had some fame and sought to cash out through media sources. One of the reasons that
Deepak emailed A Hollywood writer/producer/actor.


Quote
Considering the Prosecutor's office will not released court requested case documents ... could it be that transcripts of incriminating quotes of ALE investigators/prosecutors/spokespersons in statements and interviews are a foundation that Phil McGraw's attorney can based a defamation defence. 

We know from Arlene Ellis-Schippers testimony in her deposition that they were "shredding documents" related to the case.
We also know that it was Arlene who started the "tape being edited for the Dr. Phil show theory."  Arlene is directly involved
with Aruba Task Force to protect Aruba. She also came to the U.S. to meet and greet and try to stop the boycott against Aruba.
As I suggested, look at the total picture of those involved in the lawsuit and you might hit a bingo home run rather then just do your Flashback posts which are not that helpful right now and you seemed determined to carry-on no matter how many ways or how many people attempt to give you clues.

Quote
IF the Dr. Phil recording was only "edited" and not "manipulated" ... I cannot comprehend why this recording does not stand alone.  A comparison of the original interview which is saved on Skeeters' hard drive against the Dr. Phil recording would reveal the truth.  Case Closed!!  Deepak defamed himself with his own words.

Janet


And that is why there is a lawsuit ongoing. They made themselves public figures. YOU, who have documented all the news clippings can see that they were in the news constantly. Worldwide news. They chose to lie. Their mother chose to be interviewed by Skeeters.

Deepak sat in the hotel with his boss Angelina and then he went BACK to the hotel to meet with Skeeters after midnight. Only hookers go to hotels after midnight. And this guy wanted a book deal and even said so and sought that out as well as he knew Skeeters was an agent for Dr. Phil. He was after what he perceived as his fame by SELLING his story. Now, what story would that be Janet? About how he is a short little man living in Aruba? NO, he was involved in a high profile murder case and HE KNEW it and he was going to SELL that and make himself a lot of money. When that didn't work out for the peabrain, he sought a lawsuit against a high profile American media talk show host - Dr. Phil. First, he never, ever went looking for the girl that was missing that he was last seen with. He never, ever did anything to help her mother. Instead he tried to damage her by filing complaints because the mother came to him to ask for his help. Disparate to find her only daughter! Deepak turned on her!
Rather then do what was right he sought the limelight by attempting to SELL his story of lies. All documented by the lawsuit.

We don't need no frigging Aruba documents because you want to know why Janet? Something you seem to have lost in this - THEY ALL LIE!!!!!

The court date is set - If you have not read the court documents filed, I suggest you go over them with a fine tooth comb and you'll realize thst Dr. Phil attorneys are sharp and I mean sharp. Re-read their questions to Deepak & Satish. 

I highly doubt you will be pushing up daisy's when this trail comes to the LA courts. Lawsuits are always about delay, delay, continue then delay. When these men get on the stand and try to wiggle out of their lies in front of a jury - I believe judgement day will come. But it won't be the end of it. They will live out their lives as liars, manipulators and evil persons, then they'll go straight to hell. What a waste of their lives. When all they have to do is tell the truth and go live in Compton, CA. Or maybe New Jersey.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 02:00:37 PM
Thanks Kermit

I wish I knew the definition of seeking "public figure status".  Somehow private emails, private interviews, facebook accounts and socializing does not fit that definition but ... I could be wrong.  However ... the quotes gleaned from officials within the Natalee Holloway investigation through televised interviews and public statements should be considered evidence in the defamation defence.  IMO.

Janet
 
Janet, did Deepak want to write a book about his life working at the Internet company in Aruba?

He was seeking out a book deal to SELL HIS STORY about a MURDER because he was a highly profiled public figure. 

The social media is a way of becoming a public figure  -example Justin Bieber.









Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Thanks Kermit

I wish I knew the definition of seeking "public figure status".  Somehow private emails, private interviews, facebook accounts and socializing does not fit that definition but ... I could be wrong.  However ... the quotes gleaned from officials within the Natalee Holloway investigation through televised interviews and public statements should be considered evidence in the defamation defence.  IMO.

Janet
 
Janet, did Deepak want to write a book about his life working at the Internet company in Aruba?

He was seeking out a book deal to SELL HIS STORY about a MURDER because he was a highly profiled public figure. 

The social media is a way of becoming a public figure  -example Justin Bieber.




Yes.  Beth has proof.  However ... it didn't happen.

"SEEKING public figure status"?  I trust that Phil McGraw's attorneys have knowledge of the legal definition.  However ... it doesn't make sense to me that stuff happening behind the scenes  not intended for the public arena as well as stuff happening behind the scenes intended but does not make it to the public arena ... can be defined as "SEEKING public figure staus".  I could be wrong.

Kermit ... thank you for you responses.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
THE NEW STIPULATION OF FACTS - PLANTIFFS AS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE FIGURES

There are THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FACTS/EVIDENCE THAT POINT TO THE LEPRECHAUN'S
AS LIARS, FAME SEEKERS, SUSPECTS IN A MURDER CASE!



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http://www.overheid.aw/index.asp?nmoduleid=19&wgid=6&spagetype=21&nPageID=6003587&nCMSPageType=1

Google translation:

Mr. David G. Kock sworn in as a new member of the Advisory Council (archived)

ORANGE CITY - Mr.David G. Kock was recently by the Governor of Aruba sworn in as a member of the Advisory Board.
Present on this occasion were the Prime Minister Mr. MG Eman, the Chairman of the Advisory Board Mr. Arie J.Swaen, the Deputy Secretary Albert Braamskamp mr, mrs. Paola Jimez life partner of Mr. Kock, Mr. John S. Kuiperdal former councilor and Mr. Martijn Boelen Director of the Office of the Governor. Mr.Kock is a well-known lawyer in Aruba with over 20 years of legal experience. He was educated met in Aruba, Netherlands, Curacao and Colombia. He started his career at Firm Swaen, was employed by Notariskantoor Eman, was then a partner at law firm Swaen and Kock and was then a partner at law firm Marchese, David Kock and Wix. In 2004 he founded his own law practice ie David Kock Legal. This practice has since expanded with offices in Curacao, Bonaire, Sint Maarten and Bogota. Nowadays Mr. Kock also taught labor law at the University of Aruba.

http://www.rva.aw/publicaties/persberichten/46-beediging-mr-d-g-kock-als-raadslid

Google translation:

Swearing Mr DG Kock as Councilor

Category: Press Releases
Created on Monday, 13 August 2012 10:55

O'stad - The Advisory Board on 10 August 2012 a new councilor received. On this day, Mr. David G. Kock by the Governor of Aruba sworn in as a member of the Advisory Board. This happened in the presence of the Prime Minister Mr. MG Eman, the Chairman of the Advisory Board Mr. Arie J. Swaen, the Deputy Secretary Mr. Albert Braamskamp, ​​Ms Paola Jimenez, spouse of Mr. Kock, Mr. John S. Kuiperdal, former councilor, and Mr Martijn Boelen, director of the Office of the Governor.

Mr. Kock is a well-known lawyer in Aruba with over twenty years of legal experience, particularly in the area of ​​criminal law, criminal procedure law and labor law. Mr. Kock holds a law degree from both the University of Aruba (Aruban law), passed in 1992, as the Erasmus University Rotterdam (Dutch law), achieved in 2004. Also, Mr. Kock from 1994 to 1996, a postgraduate degree in notarial law made by the University of the Netherlands Antilles, and from 2005 to 2006, specializing in employment law at the Universidad Externado, in Bogota, Colombia.

Mr. Kock from 1992-1996 employee worked for Firm Swaen, from 1997 to 1998 he was notary at Notary Office Eman, from 1998 to 2001 he was a partner at law firm Swaen & Kock, and from 2001 to 2004 he was a partner at law firm Marchese, David Kock & Wix. In 2004, Mr. Kock his own law practice, David Kock Legal, founded in Aruba. Meanwhile, this practice has grown and expanded with offices in Curacao, Bonaire, Sint Maarten and Bogota.

Besides working as a lawyer Mr. Kock now also taught labor law at the University of Aruba.

With the inauguration of Mr. Kock is the composition of the Board is complete again, in July after a vacancy had arisen after the honorable resignation of Mr. John S. Kuiperdal. Mr. Kuiperdal has from 8 October 2008 to 6 July 2012 served as a councilor. During this period he made a valuable contribution to the Aruban society through his knowledge, insight and experience.

The Advisory Board thanked Mr. Kuiperdal for his services in the interest of the Aruban society and called simultaneously welcome to Mr. Kock as a new member of the Advisory Board. The Advisory Board is a state of high college established under the Constitution of Aruba. The Council consists of five members including the chairperson. The Council advises the Government and the States of Aruba on draft legislation and administration.

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http://www.rva.aw/over-de-raad/raadsleden/cv-raadsleden/2-uncategorised/45-mr-d-g-kock

Google translation:

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Mr. D. G. Kock

Born in Aruba November 3, 1965

Education
Associate in Arts degree from Union College (NJ, USA)
law from the University of Aruba
Postgraduate notarial law at the University of the Netherlands Antilles
Master Dutch Law at the Erasmus University Rotterdam
Specialization labor law at the Universidad Externado de Colombia (Bogotá, Colombia)

Career
Assistant at Law Firm Swaen (1992 - 1996)
Candidate notary at Notary Office Eman (1997 - 1998)
Partner Firm Swaen & Kock (1998 - 2001)
Partner Firm Marchese David Kock & Wix (2001 - 2004)
Partner Firm davidkock legal (2004 - present)

Current positions held
Lecturer employment at the University of Aruba
Caribbean editorial board Juristenblad (formerly: Journal of Antillean Law, Justice TAR)

REMINDER:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/suspects-teens-disappearance-held-after-hearing/

Suspects in teen’s disappearance held after hearing
Jailed Aruban men deny knowing American


updated 6/9/2005 4:42:19 AM ET

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  — A judge ruled Wednesday there was sufficient cause to keep holding two former hotel security guards in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama high school honors student.

The decision means authorities may hold Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, for nearly four months while prosecutors investigate possible murder and kidnapping charges in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, defense attorneys said. Neither man has been formally charged.

Attorney General Caren Janssen confirmed the decision handed down at a closed hearing at a police station where the men are jailed outside the capital of Oranjestad.

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The two men were arrested Sunday on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to court-appointed defense attorneys Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said. Authorities may hold the suspects for 116 days without filing formal charges.

 ::snipping2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

SWAEN, Arie J.  -  Defense attorney to Paulus Van Der Sloot


RE: A. J. Swaen

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg126473#msg126473

PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT
PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT - Part 3 of 4
CONTENTS

06. COMPENSATION
07. CONFLICT OF INTEREST
08. ENABLER


06. COMPENSATION

It would be assumed that Paulus Van der Sloot's attorney, Arie Swaen, has an indepth knowledge of Dutch law and when he stated that a case for compensation as a result of wrongful detainment could be inititiated on behalf of his client when the Natalee Holloway case was closed he was drawing on that foundation of knowledge.

Why did the judge disregard Dutch law and award compensation to Paulus Van der Sloot prior the Natalee Holloway case being closed?


Arie Swaen - Paulus Van der Sloot's Attorney
DIARIO Aruba - Oct. 22/05

The judge indicated that he will give his decision on the 11th of November.

According to lawyer Swaen, if the judge decides that the case is closed for Paulus van der Sloot, they will then initiate a case of damage and prejudice, for the days he sat in the police station jail.

If the case is not closed, they will then keep looking for when this will be the case so they can follow up.
Translation Credit - http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/


Paulus Van der Sloot awarded Compensation
Expatica News - Aug. 3/06

AMSTERDAM — Dutchman Paul van der Sloot, father of the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case, has been awarded financial damages

A court on the autonomous Dutch island of Aruba ruled that Paul van der Sloot was arrested and detained for four days without due cause last year as part of the investigation. He was awarded 50,000 Aruban Guilders in compensation. This is equal to EUR 21,800 or USD 27,900.

Paul van der Sloot, a judge in training on Aruba at the time, was arrested on 22 June 2005 on suspicion of conspiring on or after the fact with his son. He was released without charge four days later but still considered a suspect.

He won a civil action for unjust detention against the Aruban authorities in November of that year and has now been awarded damages. He is no longer a suspect. The judge in the civil case stressed his ruling related solely to Paul van der Sloot.


Mariaine Croes
FOX NEWS - Aug. 8/06

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday they will appeal an order to compensate a man detained in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.

A judge on the Dutch Caribbean island ruled on July 28 that the prosecutor's office should pay $30,190 to Paulus van der Sloot, a former justice official in Aruba who was detained in the case for three days, for defamation and legal fees.

"The public prosecutor's office does not agree with the amount granted, since this is much higher than usual," spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said.


07. CONFLICT OF INTEREST

The conflicts of interest that abound in the Natalee Holloway case in regards to the working and personal relationships between Paulus Van der Sloot and those who held official positions encompassing the investigation were purposely overlooked. The provisions provided in Aruban law regarding this issue were obviously disregarded.

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http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html
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http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/07/rick-smid-arubas-dirtiest-judge.html
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 02:36:57 PM

<snipped>

We don't need no frigging Aruba documents because you want to know why Janet? Something you seem to have lost in this - THEY ALL LIE!!!!!

<snipped>




Judge: Holloway-related suit goes on against CBS and ’Dr. Phil’ McGraw
By Associated Press
Wednesday, February 6, 2008


LOS ANGELES - A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

<snipped?

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes’ lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

<snipped>

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view.bg?articleid=1071660


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your  daughter a ride home?   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 02:47:40 PM
I do agree that documents are insignificant IF that Dr. Phil recording was only edited for clarity and not deceptively manipulated.  A simple comparison of the interview saved on Skeeters' hard drive should suffice.  IMO

Janet.


Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg

 
<snipped>

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

<snipped>

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 02:57:01 PM
Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your daughter a ride home?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hell to the NO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2012, 03:07:26 PM
Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your daughter a ride home?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hell to the NO.


Not very trustworthy for sure.      I can't see any reason anyone  (Except their mother Nadira of “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“. fame) would take up for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  JMHO 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 03:22:31 PM
If McGraw's attorneys are seeking to prove that the Dr. Phil recording did not defame the Kalpoes ... the public Prosecutor's statement which was released following the second arrest of the brothers should suffice.  This happening took place prior to the filing of the defamation lawsuit.

However ... transcripts of Hans Mos' words in televised interviews and public statements following the third arrest in November, 2007 would be icing on the cake.

In other words ... the Kalpoe brothers could not be defamed even if the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated.

Janet

+++++


'The Abrams Report' for August 26
updated 8/29/2005 2:37:37 PM ET


<snipped>

DAN ABRAMS, HOST:  Prosecutors say all of this is based on new information.  Here‘s the quote from them.

"In the early morning hours of Friday, the 26th of August, 2005, police once more arrested the brothers, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe. They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before. They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing PREMEDITATED murder, alternately together with other people MURDERING somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, RAPING somebody.

Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S.K. and D.K. again, there had to be NEW FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. That is the case.”

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your daughter a ride home?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hell to the NO.


Not very trustworthy for sure.      I can't see any reason anyone  (Except their mother Nadira of “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“. fame) would take up for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  JMHO 


ITA!   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Not sure what it says but I don't think it's positive

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This article very sad.  It appears a 6yr old by the name of Alan Li died in the waterpark in Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2012/10/criatura-di-6-ana-ta-muri-hoga-na-hooiberg/ (http://www.diario.aw/2012/10/criatura-di-6-ana-ta-muri-hoga-na-hooiberg/)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 03:51:16 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg711444#msg711444

Posted by jen3560
   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #912 on: March 09, 2009, 04:52:10 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg711395#msg711395
Quote from: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:32:27 PM
Quote
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

 ::snipping2::

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said. Prosecutors asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until June 15, when they hope to conclude their investigation.
http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleC9EA0BE766874EA4A0B051B9B0C8239F.asp

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

JUDGE KUIPERDAL HAD APPARENTLY SAT THE ARUBAN BENCH
ALONG WITH PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

De functie 'Lid' van 'Aruba' wordt vervuld door: (translated this means:
The function ' member ' of ' Aruba ' is fulfilled.
* mw. mr. E.M.D. Angela
* mw. mr. P. de Bruin
* mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
* mr. P.A.H. Lemaire
* mr. P.A.J. van der Sloot
* mr. C. Slothouber
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2203/Lid/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/23i7c55.jpg)


Job well done! R.I.P.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
Not sure what it says but I don't think it's positive

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/car.jpg)



This article very sad.  It appears a 6yr old by the name of Alan Li died in the waterpark in Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2012/10/criatura-di-6-ana-ta-muri-hoga-na-hooiberg/ (http://www.diario.aw/2012/10/criatura-di-6-ana-ta-muri-hoga-na-hooiberg/)

Yes, it is sad.

Another guy drowned and was recovered near where Gary Giordano claims Robyn Gardner drowned.  I think it says he lost his balance and fell in, and drowned.  He must have been a patient at the psychiatric/rehabilitation hospital (Centro Colorado).

But they found his body too...

http://www.awe24.com/20121004/12073/UPDATE_Homber_a_cay_for_di_barancanan_na_Punta_Colorado_y_a_muri_hoga

Papiamentu translation:

update man owing to cay for of barancanan at punta colorado y owing to die hoga

2 day happen come across, 4 of october 2012 09:57

seccion: incidente

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe of one caso lamentable where a will owing to cay for of barancanan in the lama y not can owing to help his self y owing to hoga. at once owing to dirigi police, cuerpo of rescate of bombero together cu kustwacht y also ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu here is deal of one cliente of centro colorado cual was piki cocolishi y at dado instant owing to lose equilibrium y owing to cay for of barancanan y owing to bay cay in lama y not owing to succeed leave for of lama. at arrival of kustwacht they owing to lever the curpa abordo of the boat y abay cune at the pier at rodgers beach. owing to ask for all autoridad competente dirigi they self at the pier. here is deal of jacinto dan.jo naci at aruba 12 september 1957. at famianan of the fayecido is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 07:20:52 PM
Why would this multi-million dollar backed defamation lawsuit have been filed unless there was assurance that a simple comparision of the Dr. Phil recording with the original interview which was saved on Skeeters' hard drive would declared  the Deepak the victor?

Could it be that the Dr. Phil recording was "manipulated" as stated in the defamation lawsuit?  Could it be that the financial backers expected a negotiated settlement from Phil McGraw?  Could it be that it was not anticipated that the defence would take another route ... another route that would proved that that the "manipulated" recording did not defame the Kalpoes as the brothers' reputation had already been "officially" underminded in the media in televised interviewed and released statements from early on in the investigation?

Janet

+++++


Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News. ...

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/













Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 07:24:23 PM
THE TRUTH?  WHAT IS IT?

FBI Confirmation?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


<snipped>

RITA COSBY, HOST:  ... And LIVE AND DIRECT tonight on the phone from Aruba is Arlene Ellis Schipper.  She's an Aruban attorney and also member of the Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force.  She sent us that tape.  Arlene, what is the basis for the manipulation?  Where do you think the changes took place, if at all?

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE:  Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.  However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order.  Just before the word “she,” there was a cut.  And just after the word “did,” there was a cut.  And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.”  And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

COSBY:  Now, you mentioned, Arlene, that the FBI—we know that they also have the tape.  When do you think you're going to hear back from them?  And do you think that they're going to make their results public?

SCHIPPER:  I hope so, actually.  And you know what?  Because officially, of course, the court-appointed forensic institute is the NFI, the Netherlands.  But for comfort, the authorities here sent it also for your comfort, actually, your American comfort—the authorities also sent it to the FBI with—through an MLAT (ph) procedure, which is a mutual—just mutual legal assistance treaty between our countries.

And they also requested, on recommendation of the NFI, to investigate the hard disk of Mr. Skeeters.  And based on that, he volunteered his hard disk.  So we are waiting already for two weeks on those results.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Private Legal Audio Analyst

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


<snipped>

FRANK PIAZZA, LEGAL AUDIO  Well, I have to say that the version that you just played me—I'm not sure if it's the Aruba version or the original...

COSBY:  We played both.  We actually played both.

PIAZZA:  OK.  The original version, which we'll say is Mr. Skeeters's version, and the Aruba version, they both, for me, as I analyzed them earlier, are exactly the same.  There's no changes.  Yet the Dr. Phil version, there are absolute edits.  And Arlene Ellis Schipper was accurate about the “did” and the “didn't” part of it.  That's my take on it so far.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 07:56:30 PM
Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your daughter a ride home?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hell to the NO.


Not very trustworthy for sure.      I can't see any reason anyone  (Except their mother Nadira of “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“. fame) would take up for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  JMHO 


Me neither MuffyBee.  However ... Peter Devries contends that Deepak and Satish were not participants in the happenings encompassing the demise and disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I do not trust Dr. Phil at all.  I am on the fence regarding whether the Dr. Phil recording was "edited" or "manipulated".  However ... in the name of justice I hope that the Kalpoes will not receive one red cent.  Joran van der Sloot can kiss his $1,000,000 good bye.

Janet

++++

Peter Devries

Cracking the Holloway Case?
Feb 7, 2008 7:00 PM EST


De Vries spoke to NEWSWEEK's Catharine Skipp about the case and his role in it to date.

<snipped>

NEWSWEEK: Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

<snipped>

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


Beth Holloway

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2012, 09:42:06 PM
Why would this multi-million dollar backed defamation lawsuit have been filed unless there was assurance that a simple comparision of the Dr. Phil recording with the original interview which was saved on Skeeters' hard drive would declared  the Deepak the victor?

Could it be that the Dr. Phil recording was "manipulated" as stated in the defamation lawsuit?  Could it be that the financial backers expected a negotiated settlement from Phil McGraw?  Could it be that it was not anticipated that the defence would take another route ... another route that would proved that that the "manipulated" recording did not defame the Kalpoes as the brothers' reputation had already been "officially" underminded in the media in televised interviewed and released statements from early on in the investigation?

Janet

+++++


Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News. ...

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/

Wire Service Defense

A murder suspect (like the Kalpoes) sued a media for reporting harsh things about him. (Deepak in his deposition
also said similarly that the media ruined his life and he had no friends). However, the wire defense basically
states that a news media service does not act recklessly in their reporting and the trial court granted the newspaper
summary judgment.

(Cole v. Star Tribune, 1998 WL 388096 (---N.W.2d---, Ct. App., Minn.)
or
581 N.W.2d 364 (Ct. App., Minn., 1998)

How can Kalpoe allege Libel when it was themselves who brought the polis, the media, into their own lives by their
being the persons who took Natalee in their car and have yet to tell the truth to anyone that we know of about what
happened to Natalee and where she is.Then lied to numerous sources, plotted out alibi's and made statements that were filled with lies. They even tried to get two Security guards blamed.

(Civil Code Sections 45, 45a and 46)

As far as slander by Dr. Phil - well, if I recall it was Arubans who came forward namely Steve Cohen and Dompig who were individuals invoked in the case and who made very specific statements about the Kalpoes on Dr. Phils shows and to the media ie "Vanity Fair'.

Steve Cohen said on the Dr. Phil show:
“Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?”
Steve says that they do.

“Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?”
Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Dompig's statement that the boys were obviously guilty as hell.


Deepak was aware that Skeeters was working for Dr. Phil. He talks for an hour or so in the hotel with Angeina Reppas and Skeeters and then he goes back to Skeeters hotel room and talks to him in private. He also emails Larry Garrison trying to get a book deal for his story. As I said, what story would a small little man have living in Aruba? He wanted to get PAID MONEY  to talk.

I think one has to look at the overall picture - not just one side and then you can see the manipulation that Kalpoes were doing.
Did they ever go look or search for Natalee?
Did they ever try to talk to Beth to tell her what really happened?
Did they ever put forth anything other then to lie, to manipulate and to try to get money out of Natalee's death?

Saying they were not respoinsible doesn't make it fact.

Saying the Skeeters tape was altered, manipulated doesn't make it noteworthy imo because laying out all the facts of these two boys going in their car and getting Natalee into their car and then putting on a porn DVD and watching Joran fingering her in the backseat and then not taking her to her hotel safely and lying to polis and to their mother etc. Just doesn't cut them any lawsuit money.


Janet, I have tried to tell you a long time ago when you went up against me at Freebirds on an issue that you never seem to be able to look at a thing from the other side of the table. You only see things black and white and that is a big mistake with anything. Have your facts, but look at the other side of the table because there may be something you see if you just go around the table. You never seem to be capable of doing that. I just surmised it may have had something to do with your operation.
I honestly feel that it does, no matter what others try to claim. I'm not interested in blaming you or going up against you on these issues time after time. I hope you can learn from this and try to set an apple on a table and go to the other side and see that maybe someone took a bite out of it.

In all respect,
I hope you take this as nothing more then coming from love as that is my intent. I am not here to bash you or anyone else.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2012, 11:52:23 PM
Hi Kermit

The defamation case?  In a nutshell.

1.  NFI investigation reveals a comparison of Dr. Phil recording and Skeeters' disc of the Deepak interview differs.

2.  Financial backers in Aruba persuade Kalpoes to launch a defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw anticipating an immediate huge negotiated settlement.

3.  However ... considering "OFFICIAL" Aruban undermining of the Kalpoes had occurred in televised interviews and public statements since the getgo ... Phil McGraw challenges the defamation claim.


Possible Outcomes?

1.  The Kalpoes win when the Dr. Phil recording is deemed manipulated when compared with the saved interview on Skeeters' hard drive OR ...

2.  The Kalpoes win through a negotiated settlement with Phil McGraw OR ...

3.  The Kalpoes lose when the judge throws out the lawsuit for lack of compliance regarding court requested documents OR ...

4.  The Kalpoes lose when the words within case related documents imply that the Dr. Phil recording could not be defined as defamation.


Anyways ... I could be wrong in my speculations but ... they are my speculations which have a foundation derived from court documentation posted by Klaas and ... transcript/statements quoting Aruban investigators/spokespersons/prosecutors which ... for the most part ... I have posted.

Kermit, I have no intentions of pushing up daisies for a long long time.  The implication is that the outcome of this lawsuit will happen in my lifetime.  Anyways ... Last week I promised my 14 year old grandson that Papa and I will be dancing at his wedding.  He rolled his eyes.

Good Night.

Janet

 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 06, 2012, 11:54:43 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/05-10-2012/madre-de-la-primera-victima-de-var-der-sloot-conduce-documental-sin-rastro

Google translation

Mother of the first victim of Var Der Sloot leads documentary 'Without a Trace'
Friday, October 5, 2012 | 8:28 pm

It airs every Monday at 09.00 pm., Through the Bio channel.

On May 29, 2005, the U.S. bachelor Natalee Holloway in grade trip to Aruba vacation, with his teammates from Mountain Brook High School, leaving no clue disappear after visiting a casino. The last thing parents would know Dave and Beth Holloway is that that night the girl had gone with a guy recently met a Dutch beach, where as much as authorities searched and never found traces Holloway own let alone her body.
 
Thus began the nightmare of Beth, who in desperation tried not to give in to the determinations of the police releasing the island twice, the main suspect, the young Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, not to find more evidence and less even Natalee's body, giving the case closed in December 2007.
 
Now Beth debuted on television leading the documentary 'Without a Trace', to show the difficulties faced by researchers and loved ones to bring to light the truth about missing persons.
 
"My need to search for answers gave me a new mission in life: to return the missing to their homes and the criminals to justice," he said.
 
In the first episode, released on October 1, Beth showed how his courage and perseverance to do justice, determined to finally establish the guilt of the Dutch gambling addict and psychopath nearly seven years after murdering his daughter. Natalee body, however, never appeared more.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 07, 2012, 12:19:25 AM
The deaths of the two Dutch Indian sodomites could not come fast enough for me. Those two flacid weak girly little man boys with the limp wrists. ::HelloKitty::

They have no souls, only a pulse still.

God has great mercy on those that still have souls!

Not for Deepak and Satish. I liken it to the killing of two sewer rats. Who gets upset when pests are exterminated? Not me.

May Dr. Phil & his legal team kick sticking it to them for a very long time.

They were responsible for the murder of Natalee - just as much as Joran and his father. In for a penny - in for a pound.

There will be no mercy for them. No court on earth can dispense the justice they deserve.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 07, 2012, 01:18:21 AM
I meant "keep sticking it"

...and just wanted to add - 1,000 more curses upon Nadira Kalpoe, that silly little prostitute.

The woman needs to be strung up by her nostrils. ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: San on October 08, 2012, 08:40:24 AM
Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report

From ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012


AMSTERDAM - A Dutch newspaper says that Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, has impregnated a woman while imprisoned in Lima.

De Telegraaf newspaper on Monday cited Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altes as saying the pregnancy is past its third month, and Van der Sloot himself as confirming the news in a telephone call. The woman, identified by the paper only as "Leidi," was said to have become pregnant during an unsupervised visit with Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot was convicted for robbing and killing Stephany Flores in 2010. He is also wanted in the U.S. in connection with the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.

(http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/10/08/news/web_photos/NetherlandsPeruVanderSloot071750--300x300.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2012, 09:31:18 AM
Before anyone suggests special treatment for the Sloot, read this: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
If true, I feel really badly for the poor innocent child with connections to Joran and the Van Der Sloots.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I hope when the child is born he/she doesn't become a pawn in strategies for money to be made on news stories and photo ops nor to allow this to open a window for Joran to gain any perks.  (see my bold)   ::boxingjoran::


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/van_der_sloot_impregnates_girl_while_GQ8YnFPn6B1vH30b5CIj9M
Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report
Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012

 ::snipping2::
He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.
 ::snipping2::

(self-edit)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on October 08, 2012, 11:08:58 AM
Nasty.

You fellow monkeys can take that comment and interpret it any way you like.

Nasty.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: alagary on October 08, 2012, 11:26:59 AM
I can't figure out how to work this but pretty sure it covers getting citizenship.
Also has anyone seen what country Leidi is from?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digemin.gob.pe%2F


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 12:09:36 PM
Same woman from 2011 report?  Same source? 

http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1479998/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-embarazo-chica-prision

Google translation

October 8, 2012
Joran van der Sloot impregnated a girl in prison

Attorney murderer of Stephany Flores said Young called "Leidi" who would Uceda Lady Carol Figueroa (22), is three months pregnant, Dutch newspaper reported

AMSTERDAM (AP / elcomercio.pe). Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a sentence of 28 years for the murder of the young Stephany Flores, a woman pregnant in the prison where he is being held, said today a publication of the Netherlands.

According to the newspaper 'De Telegraaf', the lawyer for Van der Sloot, Maximum Altes said that pregnancy takes more than three months and that it confirmed the Dutch situation in a phone call.

The woman, identified only by the publication as "Leidi", would become pregnant during a visit to Van der Sloot was not monitored, depending on the version.

Be his girlfriend from 2011
She would Uceda Lady Carol Figueroa (22), who in June 2011 had been identified as the mother of another son of Van der Sloot. Then, she denied knowing the murderer and the lawyer said that she was willing to be tested for DNA. Even the INPE denied that she has visited.

According to the complaint last year, Figueroa Uceda could enter the prison compound as "special visit" because distributing goods kiosks that operate inside the prison.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: echosofangels on October 08, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
he Is Disgusting.  $%#@&!!! I Hate Him ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2012, 12:17:54 PM
Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report

From ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012


AMSTERDAM - A Dutch newspaper says that Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, has impregnated a woman while imprisoned in Lima.

De Telegraaf newspaper on Monday cited Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altes as saying the pregnancy is past its third month, and Van der Sloot himself as confirming the news in a telephone call. The woman, identified by the paper only as "Leidi," was said to have become pregnant during an unsupervised visit with Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot was convicted for robbing and killing Stephany Flores in 2010. He is also wanted in the U.S. in connection with the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.

(http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/10/08/news/web_photos/NetherlandsPeruVanderSloot071750--300x300.jpg)

I just saw this and you beat me to it, San! Don't you know that Stephany's family just wretches at the thought of Joran being able to have those sorts of visits while in jail? I'm sure it doesn't please Beth and it darn well doesn't make my day either! I'm trying to figure out what, exactly, you have to do to get "HARD TIME"? Apparently beating young women to death isn't enough. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/oktober/08/van-der-sloot-wordt-nu-echt-vader

Google translation

Van der Sloot is 'really' father

Again, the rumor that Joran van der Sloot father. The murder suspect Monday in The Telegraph suggests that this time it really is true. He would Peruvian girlfriend Leny at a prison visit without supervision pregnant made​​. His lawyer Maximo Altez says in the newspaper that she was three months pregnant.

The pregnancy would not have been conscious choice. "Leny said she forgot the pill. She wants her Catholic faith no abortion. "When the 25-year-old Van der Sloot father and Leny marries, he can assume the Peruvian nationality and he would still difficult to be extradited to the United States. Peru does not have its own nationals.
 ::snipping2::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 08, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
Don't let it get you too mad, CBB! He is just a  ::piggy:: squealing and squirming to his last breath. He enjoys trying to hold power over people's emotions... it's the only thing left. (and even that is waning)

What I find very interesting...

With a flick of a switch - Associated Press releases this report today, authored out of Amsterdam, and roughly every American media outlet runs with it.

ABC/CBS/NBC/NY POST/NATIONAL ENQUIRER - I may have missed some more.

They do this - even after the 2011 Joran muh babay daddy rumors turn out to be false. Joran's shenanigans really should not be news.

His death maybe. It is like they are crafting stuff out of thin air. Are they trying to anger people and ruin their day? I think so.

Rumors --- The New Facts!

I choose to flip it around and be happy over his suffering. Murderers are supposed to suffer. Nobody ruins my day.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2012, 01:06:09 PM
Maybe she came back to get some of Joran's sperm, but this is from last yr.


The woman, Leydi Figueroa, is willing to take a DNA test to prove that Mr Van der Sloot is not her baby’s father, Máximo Altez told Peruvian daily El Comercio.
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%9Cdoes-not-have-a-child%E2%80%9D

(http://ojo.pe/ojo/fotos/61021620110619224300.jpg)


VIDEO HERE:
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/787268/noticia-madre-supuesto-hijo-van-der-sloot-nego-conocer-al-holandes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXJfLYrCbFWl1FKcjmNC31KtXgqw?docId=4eb947d8688b4b9082bcbc594602e353

Report: Imprisoned Dutch killer impregnates woman
(AP) – 2 hours ago (October 8, 2012)

 ::snipping2::
"A test has proved" the pregnancy, the paper quoted Van der Sloot as saying.

The woman, identified by the paper only as "Leidi," was said to have become pregnant during an unsupervised visit with Van der Sloot. It was not clear whether that is allowed or possible under Peruvian prison rules.

Media in Peru last year identified a woman named Leydi Figueroa Uceda as Van der Sloot's girlfriend, and said they had conceived a son together, but she denied it. Altez then described the pair as "friends."

In De Telegraaf Van der Sloot said "Leidi" uses the birth control pill but had apparently forgotten to take it and she would not have an abortion due to her Catholic faith. He said he didn't have DNA proof the child is his, but he believes it to be.

Van der Sloot is a self-described liar, having repeatedly confessed to killing U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005, and later retracting the confessions. He is the last person known to have seen her alive.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 08, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/oktober/08/van-der-sloot-wordt-nu-echt-vader

Google translation

Van der Sloot is 'really' father

Again, the rumor that Joran van der Sloot father. The murder suspect Monday in The Telegraph suggests that this time it really is true. He would Peruvian girlfriend Leny at a prison visit without supervision pregnant made​​. His lawyer Maximo Altez says in the newspaper that she was three months pregnant.

The pregnancy would not have been conscious choice. "Leny said she forgot the pill. She wants her Catholic faith no abortion. "When the 25-year-old Van der Sloot father and Leny marries, he can assume the Peruvian nationality and he would still difficult to be extradited to the United States. Peru does not have its own nationals.
 ::snipping2::

posted:  10.08.2012 - 6.45
last modified:  10.08.2012 - 6.45


Thanks for that, grace-land.

I would like to point out... they work in religion and the killing of the unborn into this "breaking news bombshell". It adds to the toxic recipe.

Nothing plays on people's emotions more and sews arguments.

Sewing seeds of great argument, deception, demoralization, and debasement.

Chaos is their business! -Jeff Spicoli

They are the button pushers.


The destroyers.

"By their fruits they are known."

No matter what a person believes in - they should at least be able to identify these things.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2012, 03:18:50 PM
Carpe, I totally agree with you.

I think it's just a vicious tactic by despicable people, intended only to hurt the good people that lost their beautiful daughters by that monster's hands.

Oops, forgot the pill....convennnnniently right before sex with Frankenturd huh?

Yeah right...

Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Karma...I'm counting on you! 

 ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 03:23:29 PM
http://news.lalate.com/2012/10/08/leydi-figueroa-uceda-leidi-joran-van-der-sloot-battle-pregnant-girlfriend-reports/

Leydi Figueroa Uceda, Leidi, Joran Van der Sloot Battle Pregnant Girlfriend Reports
Posted: October 8th, 2012

LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Leydi Figueroa Uceda (photos below), Leidi, and Joran Van der Sloot are battling pregnant girlfriend reports today. Joran Van der Sloot’s girlfriend is pregnant. But who is Leydi Figueroa Uceda, is her name “Leydi” or “Leidi”, and how long has she been pregnant? As if nothing is ever clear with Joran Van Der Sloot, the revelations today are exceptionally suspect.

Van der Sloot’s lawyer Maximo Altez lawyer told De Telegraaf newspaper today that Joran’s girlfriend is three months pregnant. Altez says that her name is “Leidi” and that she is a resident of Peru.
 ::snipping2::
But before you believe all those assertions, there is more at play. In January, LALATE reported news that Joran’s girlfriend was already pregnant. In June, news reports claimed that the girl is “Leydi”, not “Leidi”. So is this Joran’s first or second child?
 ::snipping2::
In January, Peruvian news confirmed that Joran’s girlfriend was visiting Van Der Sloot in prison. She claimed that she was doing “chores” in his cell, cleaning the space, and bringing him candy. Multiple reports confirm that, in addition to her “chores” for Van Der Sloot, the girlfriend has been giving him highly sought after candy. From that same cell, Van Der Sloot has been running snack bar. El Commercio reported that, because of the candy, the snack bar has been “very lucrative” for Van Der Sloot.
 ::snipping2::
Reports of the January pregnancy spread from Peru to the U.S. “Some local media suggest she may be pregnant. El Commercio was unable to get any response from officials on these claims” reported FOX News. Periodismo En Linea, citing Univision, reported at the time “According to Dutch media, the girlfriend of the alleged murderer of Stephany is a woman who works in the same casino frequented by the victim and now visit frequently.” It adds “Unofficially there is even talk of her pregnancy.”
 
So was Joran’s girlfriend pregnant in January, or is she three months pregnant now in November? Joran is not giving any one straight answer this week.
 
In June, Peruvian news claimed that Joran’s girlfriend is a 22 year old Peruvian woman named Leydi Figueroa Uceda or Lady Figueroa Uceda. Altez then told news that Joran hasn’t had a child with Figueroa.
 
AmericanTV.pe reported at the time that Joran was set to take a DNA test to deny having fathered a child with Figueroa. “Maximum Altez, former lawyer of Joran Van der Sloot, confessed murderer of Stephany Flores Ramirez, denied that the Dutch have a child with a young Peruvian named Lady Uceda Figueroa, 22.”
 
Then in June, PrimeurJagers.nl reported that the Peruvian jail denied Figueroa ever visiting the facility. “The Peruvian prison (INPE) said in a press release officially denied that it ever Leydi Figueroa in prison for Van der Sloot has been visited”. But lawyers for Stephany Flores disputed the same. “The lawyer for the murdered Stephany Flores claimed a certain Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda regularly visited Joran.” Additionally, another report claimed the female was visiting a different inmate, not Joran. “According to INPE inmate Edgar Robinson says that he has a relationship with Leydi.”
 
Today, Joran’s attorney told news “A test has proved” that a girlfriend is pregnant with Joran’s baby, and in her third trimester. But the attorney claims that woman’s name is Leidi, not “Leydi”. Leydi Figueroa Uceda has yet to comment about today’s developments.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 08, 2012, 03:31:52 PM
Don't let it get you too mad, CBB! He is just a  ::piggy:: squealing and squirming to his last breath. He enjoys trying to hold power over people's emotions... it's the only thing left. (and even that is waning)

What I find very interesting...

With a flick of a switch - Associated Press releases this report today, authored out of Amsterdam, and roughly every American media outlet runs with it.

ABC/CBS/NBC/NY POST/NATIONAL ENQUIRER - I may have missed some more.

They do this - even after the 2011 Joran muh babay daddy rumors turn out to be false. Joran's shenanigans really should not be news.

His death maybe. It is like they are crafting stuff out of thin air. Are they trying to anger people and ruin their day? I think so.

Rumors --- The New Facts!

I choose to flip it around and be happy over his suffering. Murderers are supposed to suffer. Nobody ruins my day.


Bold by me!  His death, that is exactly what I was hoping before I read this on Fox.  Don't young ladies have any morals anymore?  This guy is scrum and he screws around in prison and is allowed to pro-create?  Someone needs to be paid off to end this SOB's life!! JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 08, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
The thought of someone letting Urine impregnate her creeps me out!  ewwww


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
MEXICO CITY, Oct. 8, 2012

The lawyer representing Joran van der Sloot today shot down reports that the Dutch playboy who is suspected of killing Natalee Holloway had impregnated a Peruvian woman during a conjugal visit in his Peruvian prison.
 
Van der Sloot told Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf, that a woman identified only as "Leidi" was pregnant with his child.
 
"A test has proved" the pregnancy, he told the paper.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told ABC News the reports are not true and the woman, whose real name he said is Carol Figueroa Uceda, told him she was not pregnant.
 
Whether the woman is pregnant or not, it came as a surprise to many the van der Sloot, convicted of killer a Peruvian woman and suspected of killing American Natalee Holloway, is granted conjugal visits in his prison.
 
Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly. 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 08, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
The thought of someone letting Urine impregnate her creeps me out!  ewwww

Me, too!!! I can't get over this.....disgusting!!

What's wrong with that woman?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos (http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos)

Denied last July.  I think it's all BS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2012, 06:42:21 PM
http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos (http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos)

Denied last July.  I think it's all BS.


I call BS too.   I think Joran just wanted some attention.   He has been out of
the headlines for a while.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2012, 12:10:41 AM
Carpe, I totally agree with you.

I think it's just a vicious tactic by despicable people, intended only to hurt the good people that lost their beautiful daughters by that monster's hands.

Oops, forgot the pill....convennnnniently right before sex with Frankenturd huh?

Yeah right...

Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Karma...I'm counting on you! 

 ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::

No you didn't, texasmom! FRANKENTURD? ROFLMAO!! Oh, that's the first time I've laughed all day!! THANK YOU!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2012, 12:12:28 AM
http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos (http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos)

Denied last July.  I think it's all BS.

hu-uh..... it's FRANKENTURD!   ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2012, 12:16:50 AM
Don't let it get you too mad, CBB! He is just a  ::piggy:: squealing and squirming to his last breath. He enjoys trying to hold power over people's emotions... it's the only thing left. (and even that is waning)

What I find very interesting...

With a flick of a switch - Associated Press releases this report today, authored out of Amsterdam, and roughly every American media outlet runs with it.

ABC/CBS/NBC/NY POST/NATIONAL ENQUIRER - I may have missed some more.

They do this - even after the 2011 Joran muh babay daddy rumors turn out to be false. Joran's shenanigans really should not be news.

His death maybe. It is like they are crafting stuff out of thin air. Are they trying to anger people and ruin their day? I think so.

Rumors --- The New Facts!

I choose to flip it around and be happy over his suffering. Murderers are supposed to suffer. Nobody ruins my day.


Agreed, Carpe! Yeah, I surely do want his death carried by all the news outlets and as quickly as possible after the event. I wouldn't want to miss a minute!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
Don't let it get you too mad, CBB! He is just a  ::piggy:: squealing and squirming to his last breath. He enjoys trying to hold power over people's emotions... it's the only thing left. (and even that is waning)

What I find very interesting...

With a flick of a switch - Associated Press releases this report today, authored out of Amsterdam, and roughly every American media outlet runs with it.

ABC/CBS/NBC/NY POST/NATIONAL ENQUIRER - I may have missed some more.

They do this - even after the 2011 Joran muh babay daddy rumors turn out to be false. Joran's shenanigans really should not be news.

His death maybe. It is like they are crafting stuff out of thin air. Are they trying to anger people and ruin their day? I think so.

Rumors --- The New Facts!

I choose to flip it around and be happy over his suffering. Murderers are supposed to suffer. Nobody ruins my day.


Bold by me!  His death, that is exactly what I was hoping before I read this on Fox.  Don't young ladies have any morals anymore?  This guy is scrum and he screws around in prison and is allowed to pro-create?  Someone needs to be paid off to end this SOB's life!! JMO.

Well..... having to be searched for contraband by guards  is hardly MY idea of foreplay, just sayin'. Who the heck goes to a jail for a little action? From the pictures we saw of Joran all she got, if it actually happened at all, is a Wonkey eyed little pickle tickle, anyway.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2012, 12:26:21 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249#.UHOk7Jjqllk

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison

(ABCNEWS.com)

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN (@GoldmanRussell) and JOE GOLDMAN
MEXICO CITY, Oct. 8, 2012

The lawyer representing Joran van der Sloot today shot down reports that the Dutch playboy who is suspected of killing Natalee Holloway had impregnated a Peruvian woman during a conjugal visit in his Peruvian prison.

Van der Sloot told Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf, that a woman identified only as "Leidi" was pregnant with his child.

"A test has proved" the pregnancy, he told the paper.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told ABC News the reports are not true and the woman, whose real name he said is Carol Figueroa Uceda, told him she was not pregnant.

Whether the woman is pregnant or not, it came as a surprise to many the van der Sloot, convicted of killer a Peruvian woman and suspected of killing American Natalee Holloway, is granted conjugal visits in his prison.

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.

Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

Uceda in June 2011 was also rumored to have become pregnant with van der Sloot's child.

 ::snipping2::

Both Altez and American lawyers said van der Sloot could not evade extradition to the U.S., by fathering a Peruvian child or marrying a Peruvian woman. Peru says it will extradite van der Sloot after he has served his prison term there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2012, 12:28:36 AM
Well, there you go. Thanks, texasmom!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2012, 12:36:21 AM
Don't let it get you too mad, CBB! He is just a  ::piggy:: squealing and squirming to his last breath. He enjoys trying to hold power over people's emotions... it's the only thing left. (and even that is waning)

What I find very interesting...

With a flick of a switch - Associated Press releases this report today, authored out of Amsterdam, and roughly every American media outlet runs with it.

ABC/CBS/NBC/NY POST/NATIONAL ENQUIRER - I may have missed some more.

They do this - even after the 2011 Joran muh babay daddy rumors turn out to be false. Joran's shenanigans really should not be news.

His death maybe. It is like they are crafting stuff out of thin air. Are they trying to anger people and ruin their day? I think so.

Rumors --- The New Facts!

I choose to flip it around and be happy over his suffering. Murderers are supposed to suffer. Nobody ruins my day.


Bold by me!  His death, that is exactly what I was hoping before I read this on Fox.  Don't young ladies have any morals anymore?  This guy is scrum and he screws around in prison and is allowed to pro-create?  Someone needs to be paid off to end this SOB's life!! JMO.

Well..... having to be searched for contraband by guards  is hardly MY idea of foreplay, just sayin'. Who the heck goes to a jail for a little action? From the pictures we saw of Joran all she got, if it actually happened at all, is a Wonkey eyed little pickle tickle, anyway.  ::MonkeyEek::

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyDevil::






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2012, 12:39:32 AM
Well, there you go. Thanks, texasmom!   ::MonkeyKiss::

You're welcome!

I think Leidy needs a good lawyer!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2012, 12:39:59 AM
https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda

In the "about" area, it still says she's single

But this is on her timeline:

Got Married
February 20, 2012


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2012, 01:13:37 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249#.UHOk7Jjqllk

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison

(ABCNEWS.com)

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN (@GoldmanRussell) and JOE GOLDMAN
MEXICO CITY, Oct. 8, 2012

The lawyer representing Joran van der Sloot today shot down reports that the Dutch playboy who is suspected of killing Natalee Holloway had impregnated a Peruvian woman during a conjugal visit in his Peruvian prison.

Van der Sloot told Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf, that a woman identified only as "Leidi" was pregnant with his child.

"A test has proved" the pregnancy, he told the paper.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told ABC News the reports are not true and the woman, whose real name he said is Carol Figueroa Uceda, told him she was not pregnant.

Whether the woman is pregnant or not, it came as a surprise to many the van der Sloot, convicted of killer a Peruvian woman and suspected of killing American Natalee Holloway, is granted conjugal visits in his prison.

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.

Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

Uceda in June 2011 was also rumored to have become pregnant with van der Sloot's child.

 ::snipping2::

Both Altez and American lawyers said van der Sloot could not evade extradition to the U.S., by fathering a Peruvian child or marrying a Peruvian woman. Peru says it will extradite van der Sloot after he has served his prison term there.

Bump   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: sharon on October 09, 2012, 10:50:52 AM
http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos (http://fandaily.info/news/leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leydi-figueroa-uceda-is-joran-van-der-sloots-pregnant-girlfriend-photos)

Denied last July.  I think it's all BS.


I call BS too.   I think Joran just wanted some attention.   He has been out of
the headlines for a while.

Spot on  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
EXCESSIVE PRIVILEGES?

Joran's Attorney

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


Van der Sloot’s attorney Maximo Altez, told The Associated Press that a woman named Leidy Figueroa Uceda “is registered as a conjugal visitor of Joran. She is registered in the visitors books of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Stephany's Father

Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years
January 14, 2012


“A jail isn’t a five-star hotel,” Ricardo Flores told reporters. “Since the first day, we’ve been complaining about the excessive privileges” Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 11:05:41 AM
EXCESSIVE PRIVILEGES?

Cell Phone?

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


A newspaper reported Monday that Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, says he is going to be a father. His attorney said the inmate does have a conjugal visitor, though he could not confirm she was pregnant.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, himself told it in a telephone call  on Saturday that "a test has proved" the pregnancy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 11:17:42 AM
BOTTOM LINE

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


<snipped>

Van der Sloot is a self-described liar, having confessed to killing Holloway and later retracting the confessions.  He is the last person known to have seen her alive.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2012, 11:20:55 AM
Before anyone suggests special treatment for the Sloot, read this: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit


Bumping this up just in case anyone missed it.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Joran Van der Sloot to be a Dad? Van der Sloot Impregnates Woman While Imprisoned in Peru … WTF, Kill Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores and be Allowed Conjugal Visits (Update: Atty Denied Story)
 
File this one under one giant WTF …

Just what this world needs, a spawn of Joran Van der Sloot. According to NBC via De Telegraaf newspaper, 28 year old convicted murderer Joran Van der Sloot is going to be a father. According to reports, Van der Sloot impregnated a women during an unsupervised visit. UNSUPERVISED VISIT WITH A CONVICTED KILLER?

<snipped>

So let’s under stand this, Van der Sloot kills Stephany Flores in Peru and murders Natalee Holloway in Aruba, even though Joran has never been tried for it. And then he is allowed to have conjugal visits with some  woman who he had never met previously and is allowed to have her listed as his girl friend. WTF!

Posted October 8, 2012 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/10/08/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-a-dad-vand-der-sloot-impregnates-woman-while-imprisoned-in-peru-wtf-kill-natalee-holloway-stephany-flores-and-be-allowed-conjugal-visits/#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 12:01:34 PM
Muffy

Please delete #468.  I messed up.  Thanks.

Janet


Done - San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
Muffy

Please delete #468.  I messed up.  Thanks.

Janet


Done - San

Thanks San

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
Victim’s mom to give speech for Open Arms
October 9, 2012


FINDLAY - Open Arms is taking reservations for its annual meeting at 7 p.m. Oct. 22 at Parkview Church, 15035 E. SR 12, Findlay.

This year's event is to feature Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished in Aruba in 2005. Holloway is to share her journey through her daughter's disappearance and presumed murder.

The annual meeting is free. Refreshments are to be provided. Reservations can be made online at openarmsfindlay.org or by calling (419) 420-9261 by Oct. 18.

Open Arms is a nonprofit agency supported in part by the Hancock County United Way.

http://www.advertiser-tribune.com/page/content.detail/id/549873/Victim-s-mom-to-give-speech-for-Open-Arms.html?nav=5062

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 02:31:19 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKERS / BETH HOLLOWAY

How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifted by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong? Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

© 2012 Premiere Speakers Bureau

http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway
http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway/bio




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 02:43:06 PM

"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


The Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 02:49:55 PM
Lawyer knows nothing about fatherhood Joran
09 oktober 2012-15:59


Maximo Altez, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, denies having said that Joran van der Sloot father will be.

Yesterday The Telegraph wrote that the lawyer would have said that the Peruvian girlfriend of Joran already three months pregnant.

According to the lawyer, he did not say that. "I only told the newspaper said that I know nothing about." However, the lawyer said that Joran's girlfriend met him regularly in prison.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/media/2012/10/advocaat_weet_niets_over_vader.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 02:52:51 PM
Lawyer knows nothing of paternity Joran van der Sloot
     
October 9, 2012, Tuesday

Joran van der Sloot would still be no father, if we may believe advocate of prison.

Earlier this week, The Telegraph wrote that Leidy Figueroa Uceda, the girlfriend of Van Der Sloot pregnant. According Maximo Altez, his lawyer, is nothing of that. "I only told the newspaper said that I know nothing about," he says to news agency AP. He admits that Uceda her boyfriend regularly visits in prison.

The possible paternity Van Der Sloot will not affect any extradition  to the United States. "The Supreme Court of Peru has already decided that Joran van der Sloot will be extradited once his sentence here has been served. So even though he would have a baby or get married, that will not affect the decision of the Supreme Court," said Altez.
Last year, in the Peruvian media even rumors that the convicted father would be, but then denied Uceda.

http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_21134_advocaat-weet-niets-van-vaderschap-joran-van-der-sloot.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 02:56:03 PM
Trick with baby Joran will not help AMSTERDAM - VIDEO
 09 okt 2012, 11:58

The trick of Joran van der Sloot to his Peruvian girlfriend and impregnate as extraditions to the USA to prevent might not work.

John van den Heuvel explains in this additional video out why that is and he tells how long Joran at least to sit. He will also address the question whether you can have sex in a Peruvian prison and whose mysterious girlfriend Leidi really is.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/13052590/__Truc_met_baby_zal_Joran_niet_helpen__.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
Young hopes Van der Sloot's son
Tuesday October 9, 2012 | 2:15

Maximum Altez, murder attorney, denied that fact is part of a legal strategy.

Will father. Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, the university would have their first child with a Peruvian.

This was reported by the newspaper De Telegraaf abroad. According to the inmate, his partner, Leidy Uceda Figueroa (23), is three months pregnant.

In this regard, Maximum Highness, murder attorney, said he does not know the fact. However, it is confirmed that the young Van der Sloot's girlfriend and that this figure as his partner in the criminal guestbook.

"I know he told the Dutch newspaper reporters he was happy because he would be the father, but I know more details because I only see the legal side," said the lawyer to Perú21.

The romance had begun in early 2011. In June of that year, there was speculation about a possible pregnancy of Figueroa, but this was denied by the girl immediately.

At that time it was learned that the couple met in the Miguel Castro Castro, located in San Juan de Lurigancho, where she worked as a distributor of various products to inmates.

STRATEGY??
Maximum Altez ruled that this is part of a legal strategy to avoid extradition to the United States of Van der Sloot, who would marry and, thus, obtain Peruvian nationality.

"The judges had indicated that just when you turn 28 years may be extradited. Leidy Figueroa is your partner and visit it every week for over a year, "said the lawyer.

SHEET

CAROL LEIDY FIGUEROA UCEDA
23 years

- In June of 2011 said he did not know the Dutch

http://peru21.pe/impresa/joven-espera-hijo-van-der-sloot-2045735


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
Pregnancy pair of Joran Van der Sloot is not legal strategy says lawyer

October 8, 2012 | Lima - Maximum Altes, attorney Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, said that the pregnancy of his client's girlfriend, identified as 'Leidi', not part of a strategy to avoid extradition to the United States.

'This is not a tactic to apply Peruvian nationality to avoid extradition, he would have to serve his sentence first, "Altes said.

However, he said that if 2015 North American justice does not establish responsibility for the process to be followed for bank fraud and extortion to the mother of the missing girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005 this could prescribe.

http://diariocorreo.pe/ultimas/noticias/1740671/edicion+lima/embarazo-de-pareja-de-joran-van-der-sloot-no


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 03:47:14 PM
Victim’s mom to give speech for Open Arms
October 9, 2012


FINDLAY - Open Arms is taking reservations for its annual meeting at 7 p.m. Oct. 22 at Parkview Church, 15035 E. SR 12, Findlay.

This year's event is to feature Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished in Aruba in 2005. Holloway is to share her journey through her daughter's disappearance and presumed murder.

The annual meeting is free. Refreshments are to be provided. Reservations can be made online at openarmsfindlay.org or by calling (419) 420-9261 by Oct. 18.

Open Arms is a nonprofit agency supported in part by the Hancock County United Way.

http://www.advertiser-tribune.com/page/content.detail/id/549873/Victim-s-mom-to-give-speech-for-Open-Arms.html?nav=5062

s.t.


OPEN ARMS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & RAPE CRISIS SERVICES
Beth Holloway
Oct. 22


In 1978, a group of concerned citizens and social    service agency representatives united to form a Domestic Violence Task Force to determine whether or not a need for a domestic violence shelter existed in Hancock County. By surveying a sample of Hancock County residents, it was determined that there was, indeed, a serious need for a domestic violence shelter to serve both women and children. In 1979; the Ohio Domestic Violence Law was passed stating that it was against the law for any family member to abuse another family/household member. Members of the Domestic Violence Task Force then formed the Council on Domestic Violence Inc. and through grants, marriage license fees and private contributions, the Domestic Violence Shelter opened its doors to Hancock County in June 1981. As our community and laws regarding domestic violence have changed, so have our programs. In 1983 we added outreach programs, in 1987 a rape crisis program, in 1989 a program for offenders and in 1999 a visitation/exchange program.

<snipped>

http://www.openarmsfindlay.org/

s.t.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 03:56:17 PM

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
Open Arms welcomes speaker Beth Holloway
Date: October, 22nd 2012 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm


Open Arms Annual Meeting with special guest Beth Holloway.

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother’s worst nightmare.  When her daughter vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth’s world changed forever. Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her story of inspiration.

This event is FREE however reservations are required by October 18th.  Call 419-420-9261 or visit the website www.openarmsfindlay.org to reserve your seat.

Location
Parkview Church

<snipped>

Map:
http://www.visitfindlay.com/calendar-of-events/568/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 05:09:13 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.
 
Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
2010 Human Rights Report: Peru
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
April 8, 2011


<snipped>

Prison and Detention Center Conditions

Prison conditions were harsh for most of the country's 45,599 inmates, of whom 2,784 were women, 985 were juveniles ages 18-19 years. The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) operates 57 of the country's active prisons, while the Peruvian National Police (PNP) has jurisdiction over 14. Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illegal drugs, and meals prepared outside the prison; prisoners who lacked funds experienced much more difficult conditions.  Overcrowding, poor sanitation, and inadequate nutrition and health care were serious problems. Inmates had intermittent access to running water, bathing facilities were inadequate, kitchen facilities were unhygienic, and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space. There was basic medical care at most prisons, but there were complaints that inmates had to pay for medical attention. There was also a lack of doctors; only 54 doctors worked at the country's 71 prisons, with 34 based in the capital city area. Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS reportedly remained at near-epidemic levels. The San Juan de Lurigancho men's prison held 8,730 prisoners in a facility designed for 3,204.

Prison guards and fellow inmates reportedly abused prisoners. Guards received little or no training or supervision. There were killings in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates.

<snipped>

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154516.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 07:24:50 PM
I can only assume that Joran is one of the prisoners detained in a Peruvian lockup who has access to "money".  Otherwise ... it would make sense that this guy would be begging to be extradited to Birmingham even if it meant another "face to face" with John Q. Kelly and/or Beth Holloway.

Janet

+++++


Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S. From Mayra Cuevas
May 9, 2012


Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

Representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI attended the extradition hearing, which was not open to the public, Maximo Altez told InSession on Tru TV.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 10:19:15 PM
EXCESSIVE PRIVILEGES - CONJUGAL VISITS?

JUNE, 2012 - Joran's Attorney - Aldo Cotrina

No Wedding Bells For Joran! Reports Of Van Der Sloot's Marriage 'Are A Joke,' Says His Lawyer
Posted on Jul 20, 2012
 

"He is not getting married. That was a joke. Some people are trying to tarnish his image," his attorney Aldo Cotrina told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview. "I spoke with Joran last week, he said face-to-face that he is not going to get married."

<snipped>

It was reported that the charismatic convict had women come visit him at his former and more lenient prison, Castro Castro (although his lawyer at the time denied that he got one of them pregnant in June 2011), but conjugal visits are not allowed in his new home.

"He is allowed relatives to visit but no girlfriends," explained Cotrina, and for married inmates: "Wives are permitted but not for conjugal visits or overnight stays.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/joran-van-der-sloot-not-getting-married-lawyer-exclusive


OCTOBER, 2012 - Joran's Attorney - Maximo Altez

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
October 08, 2012


Van der Sloot’s attorney Maximo Altez, told The Associated Press that a woman named Leidy Figueroa Uceda “is registered as a conjugal visitor of Joran. She is registered in the visitors books of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 09, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
CBB, I am still laughing over "Wonkey eyed little pickle tickle"     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2012, 11:23:09 PM
CBS 42 in Birmingham just reported that only married inmates can have conjugal
visits and then only for a few hours with their wife.  The prison Joran is in now
only allows visits from immediate family.  It is much stricter than Castro Castro.

The report said that Joran is now denying that he ever spoke the de Telegraph
or any newspaper in NL.

They do no have this on the website yet, but I feel sure it will be up shortly after
10:30PM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 11:35:45 PM
Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda, Joran Van Der Sloot Baby Story Turns Peculiar
October 9th, 2012

LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Did Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda and Joran Van Der Sloot have a baby together? It depends on which attorney you ask. The Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda (photos below) and Joran Van Der Sloot baby stories tonight took another turn in a case that is causing media whiplash.
 
First at issue is the woman’s name. She has been called Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda, Lady Uceda Figueroa, and Leidi Figueroa Uceda. The second issue are the names of Joran’s attorneys. Maximo Altez spoke to news on Monday claiming to be Joran’s lead attorney. Today, Aldo-Favio Cotrina spoke to news claiming to be Jorna’s lead instead.

 ::snipping2::

http://news.lalate.com/2012/10/09/leydi-carol-figueroa-uceda-joran-van-der-sloot-baby-story-turns-peculiar/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
NO BABY FOR JORAN
Published on: October 9, 2012

No baby shower for convicted killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - his “baby mama” is a liar charged his lawyer.

Not pitter patter of tiny Dutch feet att Piedras Gordas prison any time soon, as his attorney told RadarOnline.com that a Peruvian women’s claim that she is expected his child is a bunch of baloney.

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," the convicted killer's lawyer Aldo-Favio Cotrina said.

 "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife," he explained.

 ::snipping2::

"The lady who went to Piedras Gordas prison to see Joran had a baby boy in her arms who is by coincidence a white color and looks different to any Peruvian baby, who have darker skin. That is not from Joran either!"

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/no-baby-joran


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
SPECIAL TREATMENT?

Considering one of Joran's attorneys Aldo Cotrina stated in June that Piedras Gordas does not allow prisoner conjugal visits ... could it be that Joran's other attorney Maximo Altez was able to pull some strings that allowed those visits between to Joran and Uceda to happen?

Janet

++++

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


<snipped>

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.

Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 09, 2012, 11:46:54 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot 'Has Never Met Woman Who Claims He Got Her Pregnant,' Says Lawyer
Posted on Oct 09, 2012 @ 07:00PM

There won't be any baby showers thrown for Joran van der Sloot at Piedras Gordas prison any time soon, as his attorney has confirmed to RadarOnline.com that a Peruvian woman's claim that she is expecting his child is completely false.

 ::snipping2::

Uceda is far from the first female who has tried to get up close and personal with the Dutchman, who is currently serving a 28-year sentence for the May 2010 murder of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room, and she is the latest in a string of "stalkers" obsessed with the killer.

"There are a lot of women who want to meet Joran van der Sloot. Recently one girl from Germany and another from Switzerland. They asked Maximo (Altez) to let them visit Joran. They wanted to see and talk with him," Cotrina told Radar.

"The German female was beautiful and gorgeous with blue eyes and blonde hair. She was in Lima calling for five days begging Maximo. The other girl was there 10 days, trying to get to see him because she wanted visitation with Joran.

"They aren’t older ladies, they are young females of 23 or 24, the German was a college student."

Neither girl managed to gain access into the high security prison, as the only visitors he is allowed are his main attorney, Altez, and his mother, Anita.

"At Piedras Gordas, you go by the book and they only allow direct family," said Cotrina.

Despite the strict rules, some women do successfully sneak into the prison by telling the guards they are visiting other inmates, he went on to reveal.

"They come with the excuse that they are going to see someone else and when they get in to see these supposed relatives they go into the other building where Joran is held. They bypass the rules to get in there. Once they are in, they are free to go anywhere in the facility. The women are smart and it is nothing the guards can control," he claimed.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-pregnant-jail-never-met-woman


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 10, 2012, 12:00:00 AM
Mama Ditch must have spent all her money on that trip she had looking at rocks and the sale of her anal beads must be slow. His money train Mary seems to be out of the picture for some time now so what better way to make some money? My guess is he sold the story to the Dutch Paper and had to make it good for them to bite.  If we were to bet on stories to come I say in 6 months as his money runs out again we hear news that he had a sex change and hair implants from a Yeti.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
CBS 42 in Birmingham just reported that only married inmates can have conjugal
visits and then only for a few hours with their wife.  The prison Joran is in now
only allows visits from immediate family.  It is much stricter than Castro Castro.

The report said that Joran is now denying that he ever spoke the de Telegraph
or any newspaper in NL.

They do no have this on the website yet, but I feel sure it will be up shortly after
10:30PM

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
Mama Ditch must have spent all her money on that trip she had looking at rocks and the sale of her anal beads must be slow. His money train Mary seems to be out of the picture for some time now so what better way to make some money? My guess is he sold the story to the Dutch Paper and had to make it good for them to bite.  If we were to bet on stories to come I say in 6 months as his money runs out again we hear news that he had a sex change and hair implants from a Yeti.

 ::rhino::

Nevertheless ... Maximo Altez was put in a position to concede that he had made arrangements for Joran to have conjugal visits with Uceda which were not allowed according to prison regulations.  Cortina is attempting damage control but  Altez will have difficulty backtracking on that statement.

Janet

++++

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry. Joran said he lied to us.

TACOPINA: You paid him for a tape that he made and wound up getting an hour interview with him. And so be it, Greta. Great TV, great ratings- -

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have a problem with that?

TACOPINA: Yes, I do have a problem with it, Greta, because if you offered Joran $10,000 tomorrow and ask him to tell you a fifth story, he would do it.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 12:21:06 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot 'Has Never Met Woman Who Claims He Got Her Pregnant,' Says Lawyer
Posted on Oct 09, 2012 @ 07:00PM

There won't be any baby showers thrown for Joran van der Sloot at Piedras Gordas prison any time soon, as his attorney has confirmed to RadarOnline.com that a Peruvian woman's claim that she is expecting his child is completely false.

 ::snipping2::

Uceda is far from the first female who has tried to get up close and personal with the Dutchman, who is currently serving a 28-year sentence for the May 2010 murder of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room, and she is the latest in a string of "stalkers" obsessed with the killer.

"There are a lot of women who want to meet Joran van der Sloot. Recently one girl from Germany and another from Switzerland. They asked Maximo (Altez) to let them visit Joran. They wanted to see and talk with him," Cotrina told Radar.

"The German female was beautiful and gorgeous with blue eyes and blonde hair. She was in Lima calling for five days begging Maximo. The other girl was there 10 days, trying to get to see him because she wanted visitation with Joran.

"They aren’t older ladies, they are young females of 23 or 24, the German was a college student."

Neither girl managed to gain access into the high security prison, as the only visitors he is allowed are his main attorney, Altez, and his mother, Anita.

"At Piedras Gordas, you go by the book and they only allow direct family," said Cotrina.

Despite the strict rules, some women do successfully sneak into the prison by telling the guards they are visiting other inmates, he went on to reveal.

"They come with the excuse that they are going to see someone else and when they get in to see these supposed relatives they go into the other building where Joran is held. They bypass the rules to get in there. Once they are in, they are free to go anywhere in the facility. The women are smart and it is nothing the guards can control," he claimed.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-pregnant-jail-never-met-woman

Well isn't that an interesting twist to the story, by the same reporter that featured Richard Forester in story after story in the Robyn Gardner case.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2012, 12:23:50 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.

I've been thinking the same.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 10, 2012, 12:35:55 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.


I agree and Maximum Highness has never had a close relationship with the truth.
He is as big a liar as Joran. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2012, 12:36:14 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.

I've been thinking the same.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Especially after I saw her post on that girls facebook  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 12:38:11 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.


I agree and Maximum Highness has never had a close relationship with the truth.
He is as big a liar as Joran. IMO

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on October 10, 2012, 12:41:40 AM
It's all a ploy to get Joran attention with hopes for an interview in prison.  I wouldn't put it past Anita to be in on it.  IT'S ALL BS.

I've been thinking the same.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Especially after I saw her post on that girls facebook  ::MonkeyNoNo::


When I heard this, the thought went through my mind of artificial insemination.  It's such a Joran kind of thing to do.  He'd think he was so clever.

But seems he wouldn't accomplish anything as he has to complete his sentence before he could become a citizen anyway so not really much point in some sort of grand deceit.  Other than money from interviews.

I just hope there are no women willing to go along with him anyway.  But I did think about a semen specimen smuggled out and used to impregnate somebody if it would gain Joran something.  He has so little regard for other human beings that I think he is fully capable of something like that.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2012, 12:45:37 AM
Not sure there would be a purpose except to sell the story to the tabloids. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 12:50:44 AM
I'm thinking their lies probably aren't making that young mother's every day life very pleasant.

And they could care less.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on October 10, 2012, 01:38:14 AM
Not sure there would be a purpose except to sell the story to the tabloids. 


I can't think of any reason either other than to try to sell another lame and false story to the tabloids. 

Which might mean Joran is totally broke again.

Imagine being where he is without any money at all. 

I like it.  Works for me, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 10, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 10, 2012, 08:46:23 AM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Ewww!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on October 10, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
Demon semen.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 10, 2012, 10:28:40 AM
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::
CBB, I am still laughing over "Wonkey eyed little pickle tickle"     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 10, 2012, 10:49:26 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot and have another child
It would be the result of the relationship with Leydi Figueroa, who would be pregnant again the Dutch.

Miércoles 10 de octubre 2012 - 09:15

The child will Joran Van Der Sloot with Leidy Uceda Figueroa would not be the first. Sources of criminal "Piedras Gordas" revealed that the Dutch already had one with the same girl. The boy, about 2 years, is taken every month and the European penitentiary would have presented as its stem.

"She comes with the baby. Not always, because they can not criminal provisions, but every month brings. Father's Day were here (in prison) and Joran introduced him as his son. For us if you like him, "one of the guards.

Leidy and met Joran in prison "Miguel Castro Castro", where the Dutchman was held for the first time after being arrested for killing Stephany Flores.

ON FACEBOOK

The love between the two is no secret to friends and mother of Joran, who in the Facebook account of Leidy will leave loving messages for "Joran Baby" ("Baby Joran").

In their statements, Leidy also expresses his feelings for Joran, whom he calls "giant baby". "I lack little to see us, just have a little patience. Miss you too much, "he writes.

It also ensures that Joran Leidy-like couple who refused in 2011 - is paying his mistakes and deserves another chance. For specialists, Van Der Sloot would be looking to avoid being extradited to the U.S. to stand trial on charges of extortion after he requested $ 250,000 to the mother of Natalee Holloway, supposedly to reveal the location of the body of her daughter, who also have killed.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/1480771/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-ya-tendria-otro-hijo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

When it is considered that Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda also appears to be the focus of the June 2011 so-called "baby" rumor ... MAYBE some truth does abound.

According to Aldo Cotrina ... the difference now is ... unlike Castro Castro ... Piedras Gordas  prison does not permit prisoners conjugal visits.

Could it be that Maximo Altez's claim he was able to make arrangements that afforded Joran conjugal visits reflects the truth?  In other words ... when it come to established boundaries ... entitled Joran is not required to conform.  Something akin to an underage young man who has VIP passes that allowed him access to all the gambling and drinking establishments in Aruba.

Janet

+++++


JUNE, 2011

Joran van der Sloot Reportedly Gets Girlfriend Pregnant Behind Bars
Published June 16, 2011


Joran van der Sloot -- the Dutch man accused in the murder of a Peruvian woman and the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway -- has gotten his girlfriend pregnant while behind bars, the Daily Mail reports.

The U.K. paper reports that van der Sloot's girlfriend was frequently seeing him for conjugal visits, going to his jail cell to do "chores" and bringing him candy.

His girlfriend reportedly works at the same Peruvian casino where he met Stefany Flores, the woman he is accused of murdering in June 2010.

Ricardo Flores, Stefany's father, has asked officials at the Miguel Castro Castro Jail to investigate the conjugal visits.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/16/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-gets-girlfriend-pregnant-behind-bars/


JULY, 2012

Van der Sloot to wed behind bars in Peru
Friday, July 20, 2012


Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance and a convicted killer, may tie the knot behind bars in Peru.

The 24-year-old is reportedly planning to marry while serving a 28-year sentence in a Lima prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, according to Peruvian tabloid Peru 21.

<snipped>

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-20/news/32768126_1_maximo-altez-sloot-stephany-flores


OCTOBER, 2012

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


<snipped>

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.

Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 10, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
I'm thinking their lies probably aren't making that young mother's every day life very pleasant.

And they could care less.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I too thought about that. I also wondered if perhaps she is the one driving the story. I have watched a great number of these crime stories unfold over the past half dozen years... right here with you texasmom and all of my monkey friends. In each one - I have seen so many people that are willing to sell their souls for cash. They want so desperately to be included in the story in some way. Some for their egos, some for fame, some for peer recognition, some for the love of money. Some are just misguided and plumb slap silly stupid... I think if you asked them why they are doing it --- they might not be able to give you an answer. Then, there are the Marys of the world. The self-deluded  "super hero" - but in reality, are anti-heros and are to be pitied. (and by pitied I mean SHUNNED like the zippity dickens.) ::monkeydenied::

Is de world crazy, or what? Answer:  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 10, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
"...zippity dickens.)"   :smt044 :smt044  You're killing me carpe!  But yes, ITA.   ::rhino::   
:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 10, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
Demon semen.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 10, 2012, 02:22:16 PM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Ewww!! 
I threw up in my throat at that thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 10, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-pregnant-jail-never-met-woman

Joran Van Der Sloot 'Has Never Met Woman Who Claims He Got Her Pregnant,' Says Lawyer 
Posted on Oct 09, 2012 @ 07:00PM   

 ::snipping2::
When it comes to women who lie about being impregnated by inmates like Joran, his attorney feels that the women's babies are the real ones that suffer.

"When the baby comes out it will grow up and when it starts going to school someone can Google his name or his mother’s name and link them to Joran.

PHOTOS: Sexy Stars Who Have Been Arrested

"It is not fair that any baby be linked with him," he argued.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-pregnant-jail-never-met-woman

Joran Van Der Sloot 'Has Never Met Woman Who Claims He Got Her Pregnant,' Says Lawyer 
Posted on Oct 09, 2012 @ 07:00PM   

 ::snipping2::
When it comes to women who lie about being impregnated by inmates like Joran, his attorney feels that the women's babies are the real ones that suffer.

"When the baby comes out it will grow up and when it starts going to school someone can Google his name or his mother’s name and link them to Joran.

PHOTOS: Sexy Stars Who Have Been Arrested

"It is not fair that any baby be linked with him," he argued.
 ::snipping2::


The original reporting was that Joran "himself" contacted the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.  The story has changed.  Why?

Janet

++++++

Piedras Gordas Prison

Conjugal Visits? - Cell Phones?

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


A newspaper reported Monday that Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, says he is going to be a father. His attorney said the inmate does have a conjugal visitor, though he could not confirm she was pregnant.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, himself told it in a telephone call  on Saturday that "a test has proved" the pregnancy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 10, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
I'm surprised that Joran has any semen left to spare.  It is a protein product, and those boys get very hungry down there what with the country spending only a dollar a day to feed each inmate.  I'm sure Joran is getting and giving his protein supplement each day.  YUCK!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 10, 2012, 07:32:35 PM
Hmmm...John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

Google translation

RTL News | October 10, 2012, 20:57
"Joran van der Sloot has child with girlfriend '

The baby that Joran would get with his Peruvian girlfriend would be the second child with her. Sources in the prison where Joran is, say by a Peruvian site.

Earlier this week Joran told the ditch itself against John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph that he had a child with the 23-year-old Leidy. That would be three months pregnant by the Dutchman who is stuck in Peru for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.
  ::snipping2::
Leidy Figueroa, according to the sources in the prison every month with the child they already Joran would have reported the site Trome.pe. It comes to about two years old Mathias. Last year it was speculated that Joran would be the father of Mathias, but this was by Joran as 'nonsense' labeled. Leidy said on television that they are emotionally "Joran not even know."
 
That was not so. A knowledge of Leidy says that the two already have a relationship. They would have met each other in prison. On Leidy's Facebook page are pictures of gifts that Joran recently to his girlfriend for her birthday, like a heart that says "You have the key to my heart." Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 10, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
And...from 2011 when he was in Castro Castro

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/19/inside-joran-van-der-sloot-s-prison-in-peru.html

Inside Joran Van Der Sloot’s Prison in Peru
Dec 19, 2011 7:40 PM EST

 ::snipping2::

A few months before Perez Guadalupe started the job, local Peruvian media reported that van der Sloot was enjoying privileges behind bars. According to the Flores family’s attorney, Edwar Alvarez Yrala, a young woman named Leidy Figueroa Uceda had gone to visit the prison and is now the mother of a child conceived with van der Sloot. Born in late March, the baby boy would have to have been fathered during van der Sloot's early days in Castro Castro. Figueroa, 22, appeared on local television stating she simply went to visit a family member at the prison; she denied having a relationship with van der Sloot.  As did van der Sloot’s former attorney, Maximo Altez, who also denied the link between Figueroa and van der Sloot. “She is willing to take a DNA test and I’m sure Joran is, too. He is not the father,” said Altez in a report on Peruvian television, Channel 5.
 
Figueroa lives and works near the prison. According to reports, she works at one of the many kiosks that offer all sorts of commercial services, from renting skirts to the women who visit the prison on Wednesdays and Saturdays, to delivering food and cleaning supplies to the inmates.
 
The story of van der Sloot’s prison love-child does appear to be nothing more than gossip: according to the National Penitentiary Institute, Figueroa had entered the prison on two occasions to visit two other inmates who have now been transferred to other prisons. “He [van der Sloot] is contained in a restricted area under a closed regime that does not allow visits from nonblood relatives,” says Perez Guadalupe.
 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2012, 09:52:50 PM

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2012, 09:53:12 PM
Open Arms welcomes speaker Beth Holloway
Date: October, 22nd 2012 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm


Open Arms Annual Meeting with special guest Beth Holloway.

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother’s worst nightmare.  When her daughter vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth’s world changed forever. Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her story of inspiration.

This event is FREE however reservations are required by October 18th.  Call 419-420-9261 or visit the website www.openarmsfindlay.org to reserve your seat.

Location
Parkview Church

<snipped>

Map:
http://www.visitfindlay.com/calendar-of-events/568/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 09:58:07 PM
Hmmm...John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

Google translation

RTL News | October 10, 2012, 20:57
"Joran van der Sloot has child with girlfriend '

The baby that Joran would get with his Peruvian girlfriend would be the second child with her. Sources in the prison where Joran is, say by a Peruvian site.

Earlier this week Joran told the ditch itself against John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph that he had a child with the 23-year-old Leidy. That would be three months pregnant by the Dutchman who is stuck in Peru for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.
  ::snipping2::
Leidy Figueroa, according to the sources in the prison every month with the child they already Joran would have reported the site Trome.pe. It comes to about two years old Mathias. Last year it was speculated that Joran would be the father of Mathias, but this was by Joran as 'nonsense' labeled. Leidy said on television that they are emotionally "Joran not even know."
 
That was not so. A knowledge of Leidy says that the two already have a relationship. They would have met each other in prison. On Leidy's Facebook page are pictures of gifts that Joran recently to his girlfriend for her birthday, like a heart that says "You have the key to my heart." Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.


http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

 ::snipping2:: From the comments:

Google translation:

Linda van den Broek · Subscribe · Popular commenter
Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.

Gee, hear that man say: "If it turns out that my son has committed this murder I want nothing more to do with him."

Joran is lying or not a stranger. Ah yes, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Reply · Like · Message tracking · 4 hours ago

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
Demon semen.

He's probably shooting blanks anyway!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 10, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
Hmmm...John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

Google translation

RTL News | October 10, 2012, 20:57
"Joran van der Sloot has child with girlfriend '

The baby that Joran would get with his Peruvian girlfriend would be the second child with her. Sources in the prison where Joran is, say by a Peruvian site.

Earlier this week Joran told the ditch itself against John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph that he had a child with the 23-year-old Leidy. That would be three months pregnant by the Dutchman who is stuck in Peru for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.
  ::snipping2::
Leidy Figueroa, according to the sources in the prison every month with the child they already Joran would have reported the site Trome.pe. It comes to about two years old Mathias. Last year it was speculated that Joran would be the father of Mathias, but this was by Joran as 'nonsense' labeled. Leidy said on television that they are emotionally "Joran not even know."
 
That was not so. A knowledge of Leidy says that the two already have a relationship. They would have met each other in prison. On Leidy's Facebook page are pictures of gifts that Joran recently to his girlfriend for her birthday, like a heart that says "You have the key to my heart." Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.


http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

 ::snipping2:: From the comments:

Google translation:

Linda van den Broek · Subscribe · Popular commenter
Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.

Gee, hear that man say: "If it turns out that my son has committed this murder I want nothing more to do with him."

Joran is lying or not a stranger. Ah yes, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Reply · Like · Message tracking · 4 hours ago

 ::rhino::


I have looked and looked at those pictures of Mathias, and I don't see a thing that
looks a bit like a Sloot.  He is a cute baby, but not a Van der Sloot.IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 12:45:01 AM
Hmmm...John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

Google translation

RTL News | October 10, 2012, 20:57
"Joran van der Sloot has child with girlfriend '

The baby that Joran would get with his Peruvian girlfriend would be the second child with her. Sources in the prison where Joran is, say by a Peruvian site.

Earlier this week Joran told the ditch itself against John van den Heuvel of The Telegraph that he had a child with the 23-year-old Leidy. That would be three months pregnant by the Dutchman who is stuck in Peru for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.
  ::snipping2::
Leidy Figueroa, according to the sources in the prison every month with the child they already Joran would have reported the site Trome.pe. It comes to about two years old Mathias. Last year it was speculated that Joran would be the father of Mathias, but this was by Joran as 'nonsense' labeled. Leidy said on television that they are emotionally "Joran not even know."
 
That was not so. A knowledge of Leidy says that the two already have a relationship. They would have met each other in prison. On Leidy's Facebook page are pictures of gifts that Joran recently to his girlfriend for her birthday, like a heart that says "You have the key to my heart." Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.


http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/10_oktober/10/binnenland/baby-zou-tweede-kind-van-joran-van-der-sloot-zijn.xml

 ::snipping2:: From the comments:

Google translation:

Linda van den Broek · Subscribe · Popular commenter
Remarkably responds the mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, pictured with "what is beautiful '. Also 'liked' them different pictures of Leidy.

Gee, hear that man say: "If it turns out that my son has committed this murder I want nothing more to do with him."

Joran is lying or not a stranger. Ah yes, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Reply · Like · Message tracking · 4 hours ago

 ::rhino::


I have looked and looked at those pictures of Mathias, and I don't see a thing that
looks a bit like a Sloot.  He is a cute baby, but not a Van der Sloot.IMO

I agree.  He looks like his mother's brothers imo.

https://www.facebook.com/guillermo.figueroauceda/photos_stream

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/264643_160958407309666_2063387_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/282290_160957483976425_8140522_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246429_379331158805722_1068934051_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 11, 2012, 12:52:18 AM
I know it's a hoax, but I'm imagining what a bad seed, demon child that would have been.    The sins of the Father shall be visited upon the son a thousand times. A true spawn of Satan.  They would be dancing in Hell for sure!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 11, 2012, 01:28:31 AM
Not sure there would be a purpose except to sell the story to the tabloids. 


I can't think of any reason either other than to try to sell another lame and false story to the tabloids. 

Which might mean Joran is totally broke again.

Imagine being where he is without any money at all. 

I like it.  Works for me, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree, Anna.  I like the idea of Joran being broke in a prison where money talks. Imagine being locked down in a hardcore unit in a hellhole prison. He deserves that and worse.
I hope his only pleasure is dropping the soap. Hee hee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 01:31:28 AM
This is from the page of someone listed as a cousin on Leidy's brother's fb page.  The cousin is a girl, and I think that may be her daughter in this picture.  There are many pictures of the little girl in her photos.

I'm wondering about the man holding Mathias... I don't see him in any other pictures on this cousin's page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=107070056089788&set=pb.100003603810789.-2207520000.1349931134&type=1&permPage=1

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420525_107070056089788_510567758_n.jpg)

Khiara Geraldine Urteaga Saaverda
aki puez en el cumplee de ,mi Mathiasssss.....
Share · March 11

Kattyuska Yessica Astete Salazar esa lady como siempre despistando con su carita .........jajajaja
April 5 at 8:35am

Junghitozz Garcia wessse nerooo jijii
July 30 at 7:54pm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 01:44:32 AM
cecilita,

If you see this, I'm wondering if you understand what they are saying below the picture in my post above this.

Thanks!

I could get a partial translation, but it didn't really make sense to me...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 01:46:09 AM
I'm wondering if "Neymar" means something about a March birthday maybe?

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cecilita on October 11, 2012, 02:16:21 AM
This is from the page of someone listed as a cousin on Leidy's brother's fb page.  The cousin is a girl, and I think that may be her daughter in this picture.  There are many pictures of the little girl in her photos.

I'm wondering about the man holding Mathias... I don't see him in any other pictures on this cousin's page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=107070056089788&set=pb.100003603810789.-2207520000.1349931134&type=1&permPage=1

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420525_107070056089788_510567758_n.jpg)

Khiara Geraldine Urteaga Saaverda
aki puez en el cumplee de ,mi Mathiasssss.....
Share · March 11

Kattyuska Yessica Astete Salazar esa lady como siempre despistando con su carita .........jajajaja
April 5 at 8:35am

Junghitozz Garcia wessse nerooo jijii
July 30 at 7:54pm
Kattyuska: "that lady (I believe that she is talking about the young lady or it can be the baby girl too) like always is confusing(mislead)  people  with her angel face"
in other words, she is trying to say that the young lady (or it can be the baby girl too) is showing her Innocent face instead of showing her real face or personality.

jUNGHITOZZ: i have no idea what he is trying to say. wessse (i don't know what it means) and "nero" I believe that's a slang for negro or black. ....I believe that he is trying to say in slang " this negro


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cecilita on October 11, 2012, 02:17:45 AM
who is neymar?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
who is neymar?

It's on the cake, if I split the word, "March" comes up in the translation.  I think Mathias may have been born in March...

I've also seen "Neymar" written on pictures of (Leidy's baby) Mathias, so maybe that's one of his names?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 02:27:01 AM
Cecilita, Thanks for trying to help figure out what they were saying!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2012, 08:25:04 AM
Cecilita, Thanks for trying to help figure out what they were saying!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::rhino::  Ditto.  Thank you Cecilita.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 11, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
Old news...still waiting for final decision by December

http://global.christianpost.com/news/joran-van-der-sloot-to-receive-new-trial-lesser-sentence-83075/

Joran van der Sloot to Receive New Trial, Lesser Sentence?
October 11, 2012|8:00 am
 
Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot could win the opportunity of a lifetime if the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights grants his request for a new trial. He was sentenced to a 28 years behind bars for the murder of a Peruvian student but has petitioned for a new trial and the overturn of his current sentence.
 
"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told Radar Online. "They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced. This is very good news for Joran!"
Yet it may not bring much comfort to the family of Stephany Flores, whom he admitted murdering in 2010. Van der Sloot has claimed that he killed Flores because he was under "extreme psychological trauma" stemming from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 
Ever since his conviction and sentence, a legal team has been working around-the-clock to free van der Sloot. They believe he did not receive a fair trial and have appealed the Peruvian and United States courts for leniency or a retrial.
Read more...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 11, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
who is neymar?

It's on the cake, if I split the word, "March" comes up in the translation.  I think Mathias may have been born in March...

I've also seen "Neymar" written on pictures of (Leidy's baby) Mathias, so maybe that's one of his names?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Texasmom, according to Google translate, the word "neymar" is a Portuguese word/name.  Google came up with "Neymar" a Brazilian soccer player (Portuguese is spoken in Brazil).  The picture of the party has a banner with a soccer ball...so there might be a connection between soccer and "Neymar."
Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar

Of course, I could be totally wrong.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on October 11, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
Old news...still waiting for final decision by December

http://global.christianpost.com/news/joran-van-der-sloot-to-receive-new-trial-lesser-sentence-83075/

Joran van der Sloot to Receive New Trial, Lesser Sentence?
October 11, 2012|8:00 am
 
Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot could win the opportunity of a lifetime if the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights grants his request for a new trial. He was sentenced to a 28 years behind bars for the murder of a Peruvian student but has petitioned for a new trial and the overturn of his current sentence.
 
"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told Radar Online. "They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced. This is very good news for Joran!"
Yet it may not bring much comfort to the family of Stephany Flores, whom he admitted murdering in 2010. Van der Sloot has claimed that he killed Flores because he was under "extreme psychological trauma" stemming from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 
Ever since his conviction and sentence, a legal team has been working around-the-clock to free van der Sloot. They believe he did not receive a fair trial and have appealed the Peruvian and United States courts for leniency or a retrial.
Read more...

Hey Joran... Be careful what you wish for... That lesser sentence you hope to receive just means you get a free trip to Alabama sooner!

Demon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 12:12:56 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have lodged appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into account his prior confession.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 12:15:06 PM

CONJUGAL VISITS

Why can Joran van der Sloot's attorneys not get their respective stories straight in regards to their client and conjugal visits while detained Piedras Gordas Prison.

Janet

+++++


Aldo-Favio Cotrina

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


<snipped>

The legal development comes in light of the latest scandal involving the jailed Casanova as a Peruvian woman claimed she was pregnant with his child.

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


Maximo Altez Navarro

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


A newspaper reported Monday that Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, says he is going to be a father. His attorney said the inmate does have a conjugal visitor, though he could not confirm she was pregnant.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, himself told it in a telephone call on Saturday that "a test has proved" the pregnancy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


<snipped>

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.
 
Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 12:49:49 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have lodged appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into account his prior confession.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed




God perfect timing implies that justice delayed is not justice denied ... it is just delayed.  I believe but I wish I had more patience.

Janet

++++


Peru court: Can extradite Dutchman after prison
June 4, 2012


<snipped>

Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence, and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter. Altez said his client would resist that.

"At the end of the day, the decision on whether to extradite Joran is political," he said.

He contends Van der Sloot could not receive a fair trial in the United States "because he's been satanized by the press. He is seen as a demon in the United States and would be judged by a jury made up of common people who are influenced by the press and would surely give him the maximum sentence."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/04/peru-court-dutchman-extradition-after-sentence/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 02:33:35 PM
who is neymar?

It's on the cake, if I split the word, "March" comes up in the translation.  I think Mathias may have been born in March...

I've also seen "Neymar" written on pictures of (Leidy's baby) Mathias, so maybe that's one of his names?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Texasmom, according to Google translate, the word "neymar" is a Portuguese word/name.  Google came up with "Neymar" a Brazilian soccer player (Portuguese is spoken in Brazil).  The picture of the party has a banner with a soccer ball...so there might be a connection between soccer and "Neymar."
Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar

Of course, I could be totally wrong.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Maybe he was partially named after a famous soccer player?  That makes sense imo.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 11, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Just thinking on the timeline of this so-called pregnancy.

Jun  2010  - Joran incarcerated in Peru

9 months of pregnancy

The child can't be more than 1 1/2 years old at most.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 11, 2012, 04:04:34 PM
wahhhh!!!! said the little baby. ::MonkeyDevil::

---------
7/19/2012
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html


Joran Van der Sloot Reportedly Getting Married, Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
 ::snipping2::
In an interview in Lima with Newsweek, Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s former attorney, showed two letters Van der Sloot wrote in January, in the days following his conviction, in which Van der Sloot states that he is satisfied with the sentence. “How could I have cheated him if he expressed his satisfaction in two letters?” says Jimenez, pointing to where Van der Sloot wrote: “What me and Jimenez did was the best,” and “I am pleased with Mr. Jimenez’s work.”

“Both were written right after his sentencing, so if I had offered a plea bargain, how could he declare to be satisfied with my work in writing? I was his attorney until May; why didn’t he take me off the case immediately after the trial in January?”

Jimenez says he had attempted to put forth claims that his client suffered from post-traumatic-stress disorder when he attacked Flores, but the court concluded: “The defendant does not present psychosis, nor any other psychiatric conditions that would limit him in any way; he is conscious and responsible for his actions.”

Altez had been Van der Sloot’s attorney initially, but was taken off the case after having a disagreement with the Dutchman in 2011. According to Altez, they recently patched up their differences and currently, Joran’s mother, Anita Van der Sloot-Hugen, is paying the lawyer’s fees.

-------

Probably - from the money he and his ma suckered CLUELESS SCARY MARY out of... and whatever else Anita could get a-whorin'.

Joran doesn't have a prayer. ::MonkeyCool::

He was smoked, by his own hand. These are the last exercises of futility from a desperate, dying, condemned man-boy.

Evil dies 1,000 deaths. Slow, painful, drawn out, and torturous.

Anita's dreams, hopes, and wishes; shattered like dinner plate shards all over her kitchen floor.

You really do reap what you sow in this world! I wish someone would send Joran a pacifier... he really needs to stop whining.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 11, 2012, 04:18:08 PM

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7117/slootfamse9.jpg)
TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem



(http://oi48.tinypic.com/9jpvt4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 11, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
Nota'Suegro 'of Joran van der Sloot $ 10,000 U.S. pretends her daughter's disappearance

Thursday October 11, 2012 | 12:53

Carlos Figueroa quoted to arrange media interviews "exclusive". However, he dropped the 'business' when the very 'concerned' over the phone gave him away.

The alleged arrival of his future grandson accounts put him out, but he never imagined that the business is so fast aguaría. Carlos Figueroa, Figueroa Uceda Lady's father, who would be pregnant the murderer Joran van der Sloot-faked her daughter's disappearance and summoned the media to negotiate how much money they could make public the complaint.

"Nothing is free, everything is negotiable, bluntly, without anything," said a team of ATV 'distressed' father, who asked for nothing less than the exclusive $ 10,000. "This format goes abroad," he said, trying to convince reporters.

However, he soon had to change their strategy, because their own 23 year old daughter revealed the deception.

- Hey, Lady, I went to the police station to make a report

- What complaint?

- I've gone two nights

- What two nights?

Despite being discovered, Figueroa gave up and instead of S/.1, 000 offered an exclusive interview with his daughter, to count all the "details" of her pregnancy.

Finally, through a phone call, the girl herself asked the media that "screwed up" to his father, who had assured the press that he was "harassed".

http://peru21.pe/actualidad/suegro-van-der-sloot-finge-us10000-desaparicion-su-hija-2046137


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 11, 2012, 04:56:43 PM
VAN DER SLOOT: REVERSAL OF FORTUNE?
Published on: October 11, 2012

Convicted killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may have his conviction overturned.

The Dutch thug who was convicted of killing Stephany Flores may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com reported.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to givea final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, revealed.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

 ::snipping2::

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have filed appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into consideration his prior confession which may have been coerced under durress.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina said.
DEVELOPING>>>>

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/van-der-sloot-reversal-fortune


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have lodged appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into account his prior confession.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed



Thanks for posting the following article Carpe.

Considering there were letters written by Joran van der Sloot immmediately following the trial ... letters to his then attorney Jimenez commending him in regards to his representation ... WHY did the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights accept the case appealing the 28 year sentence and ... WHY has the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the case appealing the 28 year sentence?

Janet

+++++ 

Joran Van der Sloot Reportedly Getting Married, Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
Jul 19, 2012 6:20 AM EDT


<snipped>

Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation

“If we are allowed to proceed, we will request a revision of the sentence, where Joran will say he was ill-advised by his previous attorney who had promised him 15 years in exchange for a guilty plea,” Altez said during a phone interview in Lima.

<snipped>

In an interview in Lima with Newsweek, Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s former attorney, showed two letters Van der Sloot wrote in January, in the days following his conviction, in which Van der Sloot states that he is satisfied with the sentence. “How could I have cheated him if he expressed his satisfaction in two letters?” says Jimenez, pointing to where Van der Sloot wrote: “What me and Jimenez did was the best,” and “I am pleased with Mr. Jimenez’s work.”

“Both were written right after his sentencing, so if I had offered a plea bargain, how could he declare to be satisfied with my work in writing? I was his attorney until May; why didn’t he take me off the case immediately after the trial in January?”
Jimenez says he had attempted to put forth claims that his client suffered from post-traumatic-stress disorder when he attacked Flores, but the court concluded: “The defendant does not present psychosis, nor any other psychiatric conditions that would limit him in any way; he is conscious and responsible for his actions.”

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 11, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Posted on Oct 10, 2012 @ 09:00PM   

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

 ::snipping2::

The legal development comes in light of the latest scandal involving the jailed Casanova as a Peruvian woman claimed she was pregnant with his child.

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 05:51:52 PM

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7117/slootfamse9.jpg)
TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem



(http://oi48.tinypic.com/9jpvt4.jpg)



I feel like crying when I see these photos ... photos that capture a little boy who has so much future potential for good

If only this little boy in the photos was raised by parents who taught him that he was not above the established legal and moral expectations/boundaries of a civilized society ... established for his well-being and the well-being of others and ... if only this little boy was taught that there were consequences for choosing to disregard those established expectations/boundaries ... Joran would not be sitting in a Peruvian lockup and ... Natalee and Stephany would be chasing their dreams.

Janet

+++++

The Chain of Events

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos.  If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos[, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Anything to Protect My Son

'Scarborough Country' for August 1
updated 8/2/2005 11:48:34 AM ET


<snipped>

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: You know, I don‘t want to sound naive here, Dave, but how does that make you feel? I mean, I can‘t imagine me instructing my son, if he were involved in something like this, on how to cover up a disappearance and a possible murder. Just on a personal level, as a father, how does it make you feel, looking into the eyes of another father, of another 17- or 18-year-old who‘s got the information on where your daughter is tonight, possibly, and yet it seems like he‘s doing everything he can to hide that truth?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FATHER: It‘s hard. And you‘ve got to obey the law. And that‘s one of the reasons I brought him some spiritual books to look at. And maybe he'll have a change of Heart.  It all comes down to morals.

And one of the statements that I really remember, and it sinks in, is, he can understand my position as a father, but, as the father of Joran, he‘ll do anything to protect his son.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8798488/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-august/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 06:07:53 PM
If only Paulus and Anita had comprehended the benefits of tough love.  Doing right when it come to guiding our children in a positive direction in life can be heartbreaking and bring us to our knees but it is right nevertheless.

Janet

+++++


Teen turned into authorities after parents report him
Published: 1:59 pm Updated: 2:07 pm


BIRMINGHAM, Ala (WIAT)-Deputies were called to the 4400 block of South Drive, following up on a burglary report from the day before.

Chief Deputy Randy Christian says that the parents of the suspect told police that their neighbor had told them that their home had been burglarized.

After confronting their seventeen year old son, he admitted to breaking into the home and the television was located in the trunk of his car.

After admitting to the parents, they called the Sheriff's Office to turn him in, and the television was returned to the owner.

Christian says the son was arrested and charged with Burglary 3rd degree.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Teen-turned-into-authorities-after-parents-report/P9jUiawTMEOkppD5lEG5hg.cspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2012, 06:24:32 PM
For the Love of Joran

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 11, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
http://relatie.blog.nl/apart/2012/10/11/joran-van-der-sloot-is-al-vader-van-een-zoontje

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot was already the father of a son
October 11, 2012

(http://relatie.blog.nl/files/2012/10/Leydi-Figueroa-Uceda-300x225.jpg)

The girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot is pregnant, as we reported a few days ago. But now there are rumors that Joran already father of a son .........
 
Sources claim that Joran already has a son with his fiancee Leidy, the girl who is now pregnant by him would be. Leidy meets every month in prison along with a 2 year old little boy that is called Mathias, reports the Peruvian site Trome.
 
Nobody knows quite sure whether or not Joran's father was Mathias. It is unclear how long Leidy and Joran already have a relationship.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
http://amigoe.com/english/131223-women-extremely-exploited-by-bonaire-paradise-inn-

Women extremely exploited by Bonaire Paradise Inn         

WEDNESDAY, 10 OCTOBER 2012 16:50

KRALENDIJK — In a joint press conference the Public Prosecutor, the Police Corps Caribbean Netherlands and the Royal Military Police Caribbean Area explained the seriousness of the first human trafficking case on Bonaire in detail. The Columbian women are to work under degrading circumstances considering the prevailing standards, values and social indicators here, said Field officer of Justice David van Delft. “They were forced to work under circumstances that local employees will never accept and that government wouldn’t tolerate”, the Office of Justice said furiously.

Human trafficking is a serious matter. High priority is given regionally, nationally and internationally to combat this. At regional level the responsible ministers of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and the BES-Islands signed a ‘Memorandum of Understanding’ in which they promise each other to do everything to tackle this phenomenon. Also internationally, high priority is given to combat human trafficking through treaties.

According to Van Delft, from the point of view of the countries associated with the treaty on human trafficking, the latter is a form of slavery; it’s a form of exploitation. One is to view exploitation of the prevailing standards, values and social indicators in the country where the work is performed and not in the country of origin. “You allow people to work in circumstances that local employees would never accept and the governments would never tolerate”, said the Officer of Justice.

He said the remark that those Columbian women are worse off in Columbia is uncalled-for and it annoys him. Van Delft: “We consider what’s acceptable on Bonaire. The women are to work here under degrading circumstances. They are limited in their freedom of movement, are locked up at night and are subjected to a system where they have to pay a fine when they return too late.”

Van Delft further explained the investigation revealed that a large part of the income of the Columbian women working here is taken from them. It regards exorbitant amounts, he said. The investigation also disclosed that the ladies are to hand over the proceeds of the first 45 services offered to the clients. It is only after they hand this over that they starting earning something. They are to pay for their ticket to Curaçao and to pay an amount of around 500 dollars here on administration costs.

Moreover, although they are independent persons without personnel, a kind of one-man business, they are to sign a contract with Paradise Inn. There is a question of extreme exploitation and extreme gain for those exploiting these ladies, said Van Delft.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 12, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
That Bonaire Paradise Inn story is sad. Those poor women, so hopeless. How can we as a society allow this to happen?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
http://relatie.blog.nl/apart/2012/10/11/joran-van-der-sloot-is-al-vader-van-een-zoontje

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot was already the father of a son
October 11, 2012

(http://relatie.blog.nl/files/2012/10/Leydi-Figueroa-Uceda-300x225.jpg)

The girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot is pregnant, as we reported a few days ago. But now there are rumors that Joran already father of a son .........
 
Sources claim that Joran already has a son with his fiancee Leidy, the girl who is now pregnant by him would be. Leidy meets every month in prison along with a 2 year old little boy that is called Mathias, reports the Peruvian site Trome.
 
Nobody knows quite sure whether or not Joran's father was Mathias. It is unclear how long Leidy and Joran already have a relationship.
 ::snipping2::



Considering it has been documented that Leidy has been in the picture since the first "baby" story in July 2011 while Joran was detained at Castro Castro ... could it be that Joran does currently has a son and ... another baby on the way?

Considering the privilege of conjugal visits at Piedras Gordas Prison are only afforded to married inmates ... could it be that Joran and Leidy did marry in June, 2012 as media sources reported?

Could it be that Aldo-Favio Cotrina  ... one of Joran's defense attorneys ... is doing his darnest to do damage control for a client and a colleague who are unable to keep their mouths shut?

Inquiring minds really do want to know.

Janet

++++


Aldo-Favio Cotrina

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


<snipped>

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


Maximo Altez Navarro

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


<snipped>

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.
 
Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2012, 06:08:22 PM
Thank you Muffy.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
The games people play.  Do Joran's attorneys not realize that others do eventually see through the deception and ... it is only a matter of time until the truth is revealed?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Ono on October 12, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
Maybe he's selling his semen.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Crikey!     ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2012, 11:29:42 AM


(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2012, 11:33:25 AM

Open Arms welcomes speaker Beth Holloway
Date: October, 22nd 2012 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm


Open Arms Annual Meeting with special guest Beth Holloway.

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother’s worst nightmare.  When her daughter vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth’s world changed forever. Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her story of inspiration.

This event is FREE however reservations are required by October 18th.  Call 419-420-9261 or visit the website www.openarmsfindlay.org to reserve your seat.

Location
Parkview Church

<snipped>

Map:
http://www.visitfindlay.com/calendar-of-events/568/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2012, 11:35:28 AM


OPEN ARMS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & RAPE CRISIS SERVICES
Beth Holloway
Oct. 22


In 1978, a group of concerned citizens and social    service agency representatives united to form a Domestic Violence Task Force to determine whether or not a need for a domestic violence shelter existed in Hancock County. By surveying a sample of Hancock County residents, it was determined that there was, indeed, a serious need for a domestic violence shelter to serve both women and children. In 1979; the Ohio Domestic Violence Law was passed stating that it was against the law for any family member to abuse another family/household member. Members of the Domestic Violence Task Force then formed the Council on Domestic Violence Inc. and through grants, marriage license fees and private contributions, the Domestic Violence Shelter opened its doors to Hancock County in June 1981. As our community and laws regarding domestic violence have changed, so have our programs. In 1983 we added outreach programs, in 1987 a rape crisis program, in 1989 a program for offenders and in 1999 a visitation/exchange program.

<snipped>

http://www.openarmsfindlay.org/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2012, 11:44:35 AM
Beth's Ongoing Mission

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 14, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
OCTOBER 21, 1986 NATALEE'S BIRTHDAY

Lets take a moment as her birthday is coming up and pray for a breakthrough that someone will do the right thing and let
her mother & father know the truth of where she is so she can come home to her family in the USA.

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-22.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 15, 2012, 07:07:34 AM
Thanks Kermit!

She is never far from my thoughts, even when it is not her birthday. I sure do hope information shakes out one day that leads to finding her remains. It would be a miracle - but they happen everyday. I never give up hope. ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. In her Dorien picture she looks so cute... but what the heck is holding her? It looks like some demented anteater or something.
That is a whackadoodle of a mascot, right there. :smt044 :smt044

If you still heart Beth like me, just throw your paw up in the air... and wave it like you just don't care! ::HelloKitty::

She will always be the good momma. We need to buy a cloning machine and mass produce her.

The world would sleep more soundly with more Beths around.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on October 15, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
Thanks Kermit!

She is never far from my thoughts, even when it is not her birthday. I sure do hope information shakes out one day that leads to finding her remains. It would be a miracle - but they happen everyday. I never give up hope. ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. In her Dorien picture she looks so cute... but what the heck is holding her? It looks like some demented anteater or something.
That is a whackadoodle of a mascot, right there. :smt044 :smt044

If you still heart Beth like me, just throw your paw up in the air... and wave it like you just don't care! ::HelloKitty::

She will always be the good momma. We need to buy a cloning machine and mass produce her.

The world would sleep more soundly with more Beths around.
hi Carpe- always love reading what you have to say.  And I like the way you say it too.  Seriously- no nonsense.

The mascot is the elephant from the University of Alabama.  I imagine she was at a dance camp sponsored bu the University and had her photo taken with the mascot.  My daughter went to cheer camp there every summer and we have many photos of her with this big elephant.  I think they call him Big AL?  Dunno- ha ha - we all went to auburn, their big rival.  But yeah, it's from U of A in Tuscaloosa.  Bet money on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
Thanks Kermit!

She is never far from my thoughts, even when it is not her birthday. I sure do hope information shakes out one day that leads to finding her remains. It would be a miracle - but they happen everyday. I never give up hope. ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. In her Dorien picture she looks so cute... but what the heck is holding her? It looks like some demented anteater or something.
That is a whackadoodle of a mascot, right there. :smt044 :smt044

If you still heart Beth like me, just throw your paw up in the air... and wave it like you just don't care! ::HelloKitty::

She will always be the good momma. We need to buy a cloning machine and mass produce her.

The world would sleep more soundly with more Beths around.

Carpe I thought  that was you in disguise holding Natalee up
just as you have through all these years!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 16, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
http://www.nrcnext.nl/columnisten/2012/10/16/john-van-den-heuvel/

Google translation

Marcel van Roosmalen: John van den Heuvel
By Marcel Roosmalenop October 16, 2012

A bit bland for together on John van den Heuvel diving. The crime expert from The Telegraph and RTL Boulevard made himself perhaps a little ridiculous by Twan Huys and program College Tour to blame it not only gave William Holleeder inviting, while the criminal himself a sweet letter had written asking him a villa authorization and afterwards promised, but there is a lot compared.

John talks to us Baantjer Language and speaks of 'very dangerous boys'
 
The nice thing about John, I think he continues to get his right, while everyone sees that he is wrong.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. I believe, in fact much more fun to John.
 
The black and white way he talks about crime, for example.
 
John talks to us about the crime as you would like to hear the board on his lap. He used to work with the police, a period in which he has kept. He talks to us Baantjer Language. He talks about 'catching crooks',' very dangerous boys' and 'the police that the perpetrators at their heels. "
 
Riots in Haren?
 
"The troublemakers and the" riff raff "belong behind bars!"
 
A classic this summer are acting as football expert - John PSV fan - in the program VI Orange, which he only thought John Heitinga - John is friends with John - very well played.
 
Back to journalism.
 
Unforgettable Johns were broadcast from Peru, where he was the Castro Castro prison where Joran van der Sloot was trapped for days under siege. We saw John in ominous atmosphere reports between the street dogs and eventually penetrate the complex where 'degrading conditions' rife' were. What we do not see them were the bags of dollars that he had security guards on the sly. But does that matter? Eventually he sat opposite Joran in a cell and drew down one after the other in spectacular unveiling, which in the case of Joran was still special.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Reminder - there was a hearing today:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend


11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)

I'll keep an eye out for more docs


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2012, 05:12:32 PM
Also  ::MonkeyCool::

http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=31-2012-08311&begin_date=&end_date= (http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=31-2012-08311&begin_date=&end_date=)

1    DISORDERLY CONDUCT/DOMESTIC    

   
2    CRANK/OBSCENE CALLS/DOMESTIC

PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    22-AUG-2012 - CONTINUED
   3rd District Court    HOULIHAN, JUDGE
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    05-SEP-2012 - CONTINUED
   3rd District Court    HOULIHAN, JUDGE
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    26-SEP-2012 - CONTINUED
   3rd District Court    unassigned
PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    17-OCT-2012
   3rd District Court    unassigned


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2012, 05:46:21 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2012, 06:36:53 PM
Reminder - there was a hearing today:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

10/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Amend


11/13/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion-In Limine (AND; EVIDENTIARY HEARING)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)

I'll keep an eye out for more docs

April 22, 2013!!!

Could it be that after almost 6 1/2 years later there will be an outcome to this lawsuit?

Will the ten week trial be televised?

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
Janet - even though we have been anticipating this trial for a long time, neither Dr. Phil nor the Kalpoe's warrent televising this trial.  That just won't happen. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2012, 08:33:35 PM
Janet - even though we have been anticipating this trial for a long time, neither Dr. Phil nor the Kalpoe's warrent televising this trial.  That just won't happen. 

Klaas ... you are probably right.

Considering the amount the Kalpoes are suing Phil McGraw in their defamation lawsuit ($800,000,000) and ... the ongoing Joran van der Sloot happenings in Peru for the past 2 1/2 years ... I was thinking maybe there would be enough renewed media interest in the States to warrant a televised trial.

Thanks again for the updates on the lawsuit court dates.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2012, 12:12:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2012, 08:26:55 AM
Thank you for posting the lovely photo of Natalee, TexasMom.  With the antics of the Kalpoe's, the drama of Joran and those that try to gain their 15 minutes of fame or a bit of money,  it brings us all back to what really matters.   ::MonkeyAngel::  And I still hope for the day there will be justice for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2012, 09:34:31 AM
Janet - even though we have been anticipating this trial for a long time, neither Dr. Phil nor the Kalpoe's warrent televising this trial.  That just won't happen. 

Klaas ... you are probably right.

Considering the amount the Kalpoes are suing Phil McGraw in their defamation lawsuit ($800,000,000) and ... the ongoing Joran van der Sloot happenings in Peru for the past 2 1/2 years ... I was thinking maybe there would be enough renewed media interest in the States to warrant a televised trial.

Thanks again for the updates on the lawsuit court dates.

Janet

 

Janet - I live in Southern California, I've seen nothing at all about the trial in the news and don't expect to except maybe when there is a final outcome.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 10:23:06 AM
Janet - even though we have been anticipating this trial for a long time, neither Dr. Phil nor the Kalpoe's warrent televising this trial.  That just won't happen. 

Klaas ... you are probably right.

Considering the amount the Kalpoes are suing Phil McGraw in their defamation lawsuit ($800,000,000) and ... the ongoing Joran van der Sloot happenings in Peru for the past 2 1/2 years ... I was thinking maybe there would be enough renewed media interest in the States to warrant a televised trial.

Thanks again for the updates on the lawsuit court dates.

Janet

 

Janet - I live in Southern California, I've seen nothing at all about the trial in the news and don't expect to except maybe when there is a final outcome.

I may be wrong but ... could it be that currently there is nothing in the news regarding the lawsuit because there is no news?  After almost six years of motions and trial delays ... interest has waned.  However ... as the trial date approaches and ... it is obvious that a trial will actually take place ... interest will once again peak?

Until the trial is a given ... I am not about to climb on that roller coaster of anticipation again.

Anyways ... what will be will be.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 10:26:08 AM
(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Natalee’s Hero

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 229:
As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero. Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself. He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others. Heroes also accept life’s challenges and remain strong through tough times. They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals. I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct. Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times. A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this “tough time.” It’s almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people. And I am amazed at her profound words here. I sit and read the entire journal …


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 10:29:07 AM
Natalee's Hero
 
Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 209:
Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive. Our U.S. constitutional rights don't apply in other countries. Once you leave here you are absolutely on your own. I can testify to that. But if we educate travelers by making more in-depth information about their destination available to them, offer preparedness measures they should take before they leave home, and take a second look at the victims' assistance that is supposed to be in place, then I believe people will have safer interntional travel experiences. And perhaps lives could be saved.
 

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Sept2010_NyPost.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
I've asked around the past couple of days and so far, no one I've asked is  aware of there is a Kalpoe/Dr. Phil trial coming up.  And the eight people I've asked are all adults with  six having some college education , and all keep an eye on news, local, national and international.  All read newspapers and  all but one reads news on the internet and  all watch at least some news on TV. The age spread is from 78 years to the youngest of 21 years of age.  Some of the people I spoke with rolled their eyes at the mention of Dr. Phil, and when I mentioned "Kalpoes" not one  knew what the heck I was talking about.  Two of them remarked that it seemed to be a civil suit, and didn't see why it would be a big deal.  All of them knew the name "Natalee Holloway" and of course "Dr. Phil". And they knew the name Joran Van Der Sloot.  But not one recognized "Kalpoe" nor knew anything at all about the upcoming trial.

The reason I'm posting this is, while a small sector who have followed Natalee's case closely would know about the trial, for the most part the general public probably won't hear anything until a decision is made on the matter.  And even then, it might not be a major story.  Doubt it would make front page on most newspapers.  My first thought when Janet asked Klaasend if she thought it might be televised, I thought right then there would be no way.

Personally, I think it's interesting and I would love to see the Kalpoe brothers get what's due them. (and it isn't $$)  :smt075   If it could lead to opening a door for more information about Natalee's case, that would be marvelous.  JMHO


Still hoping for justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 17, 2012, 11:09:30 AM
Good post Ms. Beeeeeeeeee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2012, 11:52:02 AM
Good post Ms. Beeeeeeeeee

Thank you Nut.  ::bee::  I believe the Kalpoe's are liars and they and their attorney got a whiff of a possibility of money, believing Dr. Phil's attorney's would settle quickly. From what I understand, many big names keep attorneys on staff and they settle suits like the Kalpoe's as more of a nuisance and no big deal instead of dealing with the hassle.  But to me, Dr. Phil and his attorneys are saying "Bring it".  ::MonkeyDevil::  JMHO



Deepak:   ::boxingmonkeys::  Satish:  ::boxingmonkeys::     ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
I could be wrong but ...

1.  It is my opinion IF Deepak's words on the Dr. Phil recording had not been manipulated to reveal something that was never stated ... the $800,000,000 defamation lawsuit would never have been filed.  In other words ... the NFI findings implied a quick settlement.

2. It is my opinion IF the Dr. Phil recording had not been manipulated ... the recording would stand alone as evidence for the defence that the Kalpoes were not defamed.  In other words ... no case documents required.

3. It is my opinion ... the financial backers of this lawsuit did not anticipate Phil McGraw challenging the defamation lawsuit by attempting to prove through various incriminating case documentation that the manipulated recording did not defame the Kalpoes.

Although I believe the Dr. Phil recording was manipulated ... not edited ... I am hoping he emerges that victor in this lawsuit.  In other words ... the Kalpoes do not benefit.  The financial backers do not benefit.  Joran van der Sloot does not benefit.

Dr. Phil?  This guy will be exposed as an entertainer who will do anything for ratings ... anything for the almighty dollar.

Also ... the incriminating documentation that the defence will present to the court on April 22, 2013 to prove that defamation of the Kalpoes did not occur may shed some light to world regarding untold truths encompassing the happenings that occurred on the morning of May 30th ... the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 04:45:05 PM
I do agree that documents are insignificant IF that Dr. Phil recording was only edited for clarity and not deceptively manipulated.  A simple comparison of the interview saved on Skeeters' hard drive should suffice.  IMO

Janet.


Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg

 
<snipped>

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

<snipped>

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2012, 06:56:28 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330547#msg1330547


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2012, 07:56:57 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330547#msg1330547

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
I've asked around the past couple of days and so far, no one I've asked is  aware of there is a Kalpoe/Dr. Phil trial coming up.  And the eight people I've asked are all adults with  six having some college education , and all keep an eye on news, local, national and international.  All read newspapers and  all but one reads news on the internet and  all watch at least some news on TV. The age spread is from 78 years to the youngest of 21 years of age.  Some of the people I spoke with rolled their eyes at the mention of Dr. Phil, and when I mentioned "Kalpoes" not one  knew what the heck I was talking about.  Two of them remarked that it seemed to be a civil suit, and didn't see why it would be a big deal.  All of them knew the name "Natalee Holloway" and of course "Dr. Phil". And they knew the name Joran Van Der Sloot.  But not one recognized "Kalpoe" nor knew anything at all about the upcoming trial.

The reason I'm posting this is, while a small sector who have followed Natalee's case closely would know about the trial, for the most part the general public probably won't hear anything until a decision is made on the matter.  And even then, it might not be a major story.  Doubt it would make front page on most newspapers.  My first thought when Janet asked Klaasend if she thought it might be televised, I thought right then there would be no way.

Personally, I think it's interesting and I would love to see the Kalpoe brothers get what's due them. (and it isn't $$)  :smt075   If it could lead to opening a door for more information about Natalee's case, that would be marvelous.  JMHO


Still hoping for justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::


 ::MonkeyCool::  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2012, 09:14:30 PM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet


Truth or Fiction?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


<snipped>

RITA COSBY, HOST:  ... And LIVE AND DIRECT tonight on the phone from Aruba is Arlene Ellis Schipper.  She's an Aruban attorney and also member of the Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force.  She sent us that tape.  Arlene, what is the basis for the manipulation?  Where do you think the changes took place, if at all?

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE:  Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.  However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order.  Just before the word “she,” there was a cut.  And just after the word “did,” there was a cut.  And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.”  And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

COSBY:  Now, you mentioned, Arlene, that the FBI—we know that they also have the tape.  When do you think you're going to hear back from them?  And do you think that they're going to make their results public?

SCHIPPER:  I hope so, actually.  And you know what?  Because officially, of course, the court-appointed forensic institute is the NFI, the Netherlands.  But for comfort, the authorities here sent it also for your comfort, actually, your American comfort—the authorities also sent it to the FBI with—through an MLAT (ph) procedure, which is a mutual—just mutual legal assistance treaty between our countries.

And they also requested, on recommendation of the NFI, to investigate the hard disk of Mr. Skeeters.  And based on that, he volunteered his hard disk.  So we are waiting already for two weeks on those results.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


<snipped>

FRANK PIAZZA, LEGAL AUDIO  Well, I have to say that the version that you just played me—I'm not sure if it's the Aruba version or the original...

COSBY:  We played both.  We actually played both.

PIAZZA:  OK.  The original version, which we'll say is Mr. Skeeters's version, and the Aruba version, they both, for me, as I analyzed them earlier, are exactly the same.  There's no changes.  Yet the Dr. Phil version, there are absolute edits.  And Arlene Ellis Schipper was accurate about the “did” and the “didn't” part of it.  That's my take on it so far.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
OCTOBER 21, 1986 NATALEE'S BIRTHDAY

Lets take a moment as her birthday is coming up and pray for a breakthrough that someone will do the right thing and let
her mother & father know the truth of where she is so she can come home to her family in the USA.

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-22.jpg)

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2012, 11:26:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/132097-politie-maakt-zich-zorgen-om-loverboys

Google translation:

Police worried about loverboys         

WEDNESDAY 17 OCTOBER 2012 10:45

ORANGE CITY - Jeannette Richardson-Baars Coordinator of the National Human Trafficking Task Force is concerned about the phenomenon loverboys in Aruba. She tells Amigoe that no specific judicial investigations are, but she is convinced that this occurs.

By our reporter

Alex LACLe

She points to some suspicious things around schools with fourteen, fifteen and sixteen year olds. Loverboys are often young pimps who through seduction techniques girls invade and then exploit for him to perform sexual services. "It's a sliding scale," says Bass. For the victims it is of love and the love of her life 'to' her pimp. She emphasizes that there is therefore no concrete loverboy case in Aruba. "We have no concrete information. But you just feel that it is there. We have indications. "We are waiting for the first victims or relatives who want to do reporting and concrete provide information, tell perch.

But she also urges the population to be alert. "If you see something like an older person who regularly drive around at Colegio and always retrieves a particular student, but it is not a parent or relative. What does such a person there? "But parents who see their child with expensive gifts home. Things they can not afford themselves. Or that they at random hours of the night suddenly leave and come home. That's according to Baars all indications that something may be wrong. In case of suspected pimps or trafficking involved can call since last year with a special 24-hour hotline of the police. The number 592-3231 is staffed by police officers of the Task Force.

Awareness Week

To increase awareness of the subject and the awareness about the phenomenon of 'modern slavery' or smuggling - which loverboys thus part of his - to increase, the National Task Force on Human Trafficking this week different activities. It does so in cooperation and with financial support from the International Organization for Migration (IOM). Baars says that its task force last year, around the National Anti-Trafficking Day on 18 October, organizes activities to raise awareness and create the subject of human trafficking locally, regionally and internationally under the spotlight. In 2011 thus began a week of seminars including the U.S. Department of Foreign Affairs. The exploitation of children was the theme.

Own experiences

This year, the organization invited someone that trafficking has experienced firsthand. The 29-year-old Shamere McKenzie was on her 21st by loverboy invaded and forced into prostitution. She was yesterday keynote speaker during lecture at the University of Aruba (UA) entitled "Why the Fight Against Human Trafficking matters'. Besides information about trafficking and how it can be recognized, McKenzie told her story about the time they are through physical and emotional violence, forced into prostitution. Her message to women who are going through a similar situation: "Do not be a slave. There are people who care about you, you understand and want to help. Speak out and seek help. "Later this week in Amigoe an extensive interview with McKenzie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2012, 12:14:18 AM

Open Arms welcomes speaker Beth Holloway
Date: October, 22nd 2012 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm


Open Arms Annual Meeting with special guest Beth Holloway.

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother’s worst nightmare.  When her daughter vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth’s world changed forever. Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her story of inspiration.

This event is FREE however reservations are required by October 18th.  Call 419-420-9261 or visit the website www.openarmsfindlay.org to reserve your seat.

Location
Parkview Church

<snipped>

Map:
http://www.visitfindlay.com/calendar-of-events/568/


REMINDER

Monkeys and Guests in the Finlay OH area ...

If you are planning to attend Beth Holloway's October 22nd engagement on behalf of Open Arms at the Parkview church but have yet to registered ... please note that tomorrow is officially the last day to register.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 18, 2012, 02:01:33 AM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet

I know this is going to go in one ear & out the other:

page 247 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forencis Insititue) manipulated the tape.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2012, 08:52:45 AM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet

I know this is going to go in one ear & out the other:

page 247 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forencis Insititue) manipulated the tape.




.....and as it has been posted many times....these are things that will come out at trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2012, 08:35:16 PM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet

I know this is going to go in one ear & out the other:

page 247 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forencis Insititue) manipulated the tape.



Kermit

May I please have the source/link to Deepak's claim.

Thank You.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 18, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet

I know this is going to go in one ear & out the other:

page 247 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forencis Insititue) manipulated the tape.



Kermit

May I please have the source/link to Deepak's claim.

Thank You.

Janet

Page 5 - Kalpoe attorneys have not produced any report of the NFI on Skeeters tape.
         Looks like NFI did not analyze the Dr. Phil Skeeters tape, but a tape from
the internet,
source: Defendant Application Order to Shorten Production of Documents
August 16, 2011 filing)
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/2cy16dg.jpg)

Source: Plantiff Exhibit filed March 26, 2011 - Deepaks Deposition:
page 388 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) manipulated the tape))





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on October 18, 2012, 10:34:37 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330547#msg1330547

Janet,
Muffy Bee aslo posted the link to this post that Klassend posted:

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2012, 11:03:48 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330547#msg1330547

Janet,
Muffy Bee aslo posted the link to this post that Klassend posted:

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Who was the originator of this email?

Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
I cannot comprehend why the Phil McGraw's defense would not request a forensic investigative report of the disputed of Skeeters' hard drive from the FBI ... a forensic investigative report  that the court can compared to the Dr. Phil recording.  Instead ... a very complicated forensic investigative report from a private laboratory was submitted to the court.

Think about it.  In all probability ... the Kalpoes have submitted a copy of the NFI investigation of the recording.

Janet

I know this is going to go in one ear & out the other:

page 247 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forencis Insititue) manipulated the tape.



Kermit

May I please have the source/link to Deepak's claim.

Thank You.

Janet

Page 5 - Kalpoe attorneys have not produced any report of the NFI on Skeeters tape.
         Looks like NFI did not analyze the Dr. Phil Skeeters tape, but a tape from
the internet,
source: Defendant Application Order to Shorten Production of Documents
August 16, 2011 filing)
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/2cy16dg.jpg)

Source: Plantiff Exhibit filed March 26, 2011 - Deepaks Deposition:
page 388 - DEEPAK says that he heard the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) manipulated the tape))


Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2012, 12:15:18 AM
Reference/reminder:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DeepakNFIBlogsTape1.jpg)

Official statement from the prosecutor:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NFI1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NFI2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 12:42:30 AM
Reference/reminder:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DeepakNFIBlogsTape1.jpg)

Official statement from the prosecutor:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NFI1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NFI2.jpg)
[/quote

Klaas ... Thank you!!!

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 12:55:53 AM
Klaas

I have been attempting to locate the posted desposition of the Phil McGraw employee who edited the Skeeters/Deepak interview.  I would appreciate it if you could repost it.

Thanks

Janet


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Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
Klaas

I have been attempting to locate the posted desposition of the Phil McGraw employee who edited the Skeeters/Deepak interview.  I would appreciate it if you could repost it.

Thanks

Janet

?  I don't remember any employee of the Dr. Phil show attending the actual interview.  I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
Klaas

I have been attempting to locate the posted desposition of the Phil McGraw employee who edited the Skeeters/Deepak interview.  I would appreciate it if you could repost it.

Thanks

Janet

?  I don't remember any employee of the Dr. Phil show attending the actual interview.  I could be wrong.

Harold Copus and John Weeks interviewed Nadira and Angelina Reppas but I don't remember either one of them actually being in the room during the Deepak interview:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&null=null


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
Klaas

I have been attempting to locate the posted desposition of the Phil McGraw employee who edited the Skeeters/Deepak interview.  I would appreciate it if you could repost it.

Thanks

Janet

?  I don't remember any employee of the Dr. Phil show attending the actual interview.  I could be wrong.

Harold Copus and John Weeks interviewed Nadira and Angelina Reppas but I don't remember either one of them actually being in the room during the Deepak interview:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&null=null

The questioning of this employee was one of the court documents you posted.  I was under the impression it was a court desposition ... not an interview.  I could be wrong.

Thanks

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 01:45:37 PM

The Transition of Victim to Victor

Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012


<snipped>

A former teacher, Holloway said her mission now is to educate others about the potential dangers of traveling abroad and urging them to take certain steps to safeguard themselves.

“We don’t teach our children these things because we live in fear, but because it’s not a safe world,” Holloway said. “It might not be safe at home – in an Internet chat room – and it might not be safe on an exotic island trip with friends. What I really want our children and young adults to hear is that their personal safety is up to them.”

On Thursday afternoon, Holloway took that message directly to about 600 Tennessee High School seniors and juniors. She talked, in graphic detail, about what she experienced searching for her daughter and the circumstances that likely befell Natalee the night before she was scheduled to fly home to America.

<snipped>

“To make the transition from victim to victor, I made a choice to turn what I’ve learned through a tragedy into a learning experience for others. My audience is global, but even if I only reach one individual with my message – a student, a parent, a traveler, you – then I’ve become the victor over all the sorrow and the pain,” Holloway said.

To those ends, she has established the International Safe Travels Foundation, a nonprofit organization designed to educate the public about traveling safely overseas. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02254/Natalee-Holloway_2254634b.jpg)


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 02:05:17 PM

"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"

Beth Holloway


Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


Making A Difference
 
Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 02:53:04 PM
(http://www.executivespeakersbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Beth-Holloway.jpeg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
Klaas

I have been attempting to locate the posted desposition of the Phil McGraw employee who edited the Skeeters/Deepak interview.  I would appreciate it if you could repost it.

Thanks

Janet

?  I don't remember any employee of the Dr. Phil show attending the actual interview.  I could be wrong.

Harold Copus and John Weeks interviewed Nadira and Angelina Reppas but I don't remember either one of them actually being in the room during the Deepak interview:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&null=null

The questioning of this employee was one of the court documents you posted.  I was under the impression it was a court desposition ... not an interview.  I could be wrong.

Thanks

Janet

That's what I get for trying to read and answer posts in the morning before work.  Yeah, I'm sure I have the deposition somewhere...I'll look.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Not finding it Janet..I'll keep looking but don't see it.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
Not finding it Janet..I'll keep looking but don't see it.

Klaas

Thanks but don't spend any more time looking.  My DIL and her contact have a huge compilation of court documents related to the defamation lawsuit.  She is stopping by following classes today ... I will ask her to retrieve the document (if it exists) and ... do her thing as far as posting it on the forum.

Did you notice that I am now posting my own images rather than always quoting.  Klaas ... you attempted to baby-step me through the process a long while back.  I didn't get it.  DIL attempted to teach me that other day.  I thought I got it but realized after she left ... I didn't.  Last night I reminded my son of the pain I went through bringing him into this world and ... he made a deep sigh and ... sat down beside me and ... guess what?  I got it!

Janet



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Post by: Kermit on October 19, 2012, 09:39:03 PM


17-OCT-2012   CONTINUED FOR FURTHER HEARING

PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE   07-NOV-2012[/b[


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2012, 10:06:56 AM
Not finding it Janet..I'll keep looking but don't see it.

Klaas

Thanks but don't spend any more time looking.  My DIL and her contact have a huge compilation of court documents related to the defamation lawsuit.  She is stopping by following classes today ... I will ask her to retrieve the document (if it exists) and ... do her thing as far as posting it on the forum.

Did you notice that I am now posting my own images rather than always quoting.  Klaas ... you attempted to baby-step me through the process a long while back.  I didn't get it.  DIL attempted to teach me that other day.  I thought I got it but realized after she left ... I didn't.  Last night I reminded my son of the pain I went through bringing him into this world and ... he made a deep sigh and ... sat down beside me and ... guess what?  I got it!

Janet



Cool!  Not hard once you "get it".  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
Do the following words in the Dr. Phil recording reflect the words of Deepak in the interview that is save on Skeeters' hard drive?  Does it matter when the issue of "defamation" is considered?

Janet

++++

'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 12/2/2005 9:00:37 AM ET


(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT:  And the question I‘ll ask you is, if you intentionally killed her? 

DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S DISAPPEARANCE:  No.
 
SKEETERS:  If it was an accident, I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug—I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.
 
(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/
 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
STEVE COHEN - PUBLIC STATEMENT


Steve Cohen, “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her”. REALLY?

<snipped>

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico

<snipped>

Hasn’t the entire debate about the Deepak Tapes been about whether he said, “we did or did not have sex with her?” Now Steve Cohen, consultant to the Aruban government puts it on record that they did have sex with Natalee. Why has anyone wasted any time regarding the tapes as to Deepak’s comments? Seems to be the point is moot. I guess we all now know the answer now.

“Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

Posted January 18, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/


ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

http://www.arubatruth.com/?p=17


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
PROSECUTORS OFFICE - STATEMENT RELEASE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Natalee's Birthday - October 21st

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 03:35:11 PM
THE MILESTONES
 
Natalee Ann Holloway (October 21, 1986 - May 30, 2005)
.
Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

.
Page 198: The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee. People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it. But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me. It’s the milestones.

(http://www2.alabamas13.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/92173/report_suspect_in_natalee_case_confesses_to_dumpin/)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
Flashback - October 21, 2005

Natalee's Dad

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway

Page 168:
I had planned to end my trip on Friday, October 21, Natalee’s birthday. However, so much activity was going on in Aruba – with the Equusearch team and the equipment that Art Wood had brought in, as well as the tapes arriving – that I did not feel that I could just turn my back and leave. Unfortunately, the sophisticated camera that Art had obtained was not as effective as what Equusearch had with them. But, Equusearch’s sonar search capabilities were much better than anything that the Aruban authorities had.

Natalee’s birthday was a difficult day. I tried not to focus on it and kept busy with my efforts to search for her. As with times back in Mississippi, I was not always with Natalee on her birthday due to sharing time with her with Beth. I did my best to imagine that this was just not my turn to spend her birthday with her.


(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/6/9/f/69f4e959-f9d1-4f85-a7c4-f68e1cfe0397/Story.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 03:43:35 PM
Flashback - October 21, 2005

Natalee's Mom

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005


<snipped>

SCARBOROUGH: Last night, I went to Birmingham. I talked to Beth Holloway Twitty, talked about some things that were tough for her, because her daughter should have been here tonight. ...

And her mother, I am telling you, it is an amazing story. Beth Holloway Twitty is not going to stop. She‘s not going to give up her fight. She is going to get justice for her daughter Natalee, if it is the last thing she does.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

SCARBOROUGH: And she told me last night in an amazing interview, you know, if I have got to fight for the next 50 years of my life, I‘m going to do it

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH: Do you have any birthday memories, anything, like her 18th birthday? What saw she doing on her last birthday?
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Probably her 16th birthday, because that‘s when you do the car.

SCARBOROUGH: Right.

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: And I think that one was probably the most special. And it probably is to all parents.

SCARBOROUGH: What do you remember about the 16th birthday?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I don‘t think I can do it.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-oct-st/


(http://media.nowpublic.net/images//39/9/39923e798864c53f33c796c4da61db82.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 06:09:11 PM
Reference/reminder:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DeepakNFIBlogsTape1.jpg)

Official statement from the prosecutor:



 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

I think the above is the desposition of Phil McGraw's employee ... the employee who edited the recording for the show.  I could be wrong.

If you have the court document in its entirety could you please post it.

Thanks

Janet

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Klaas

I have been informed that the above document is not the desposition of Dr. Phil's employee who did the editing of the recording for the show.

If DIL is able to come up with the court document that I am sure exists and not only in my mind ... she will post it on the forum.  Son and DIL have plans this evening so ... it won't happen today.

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Janet


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Post by: grace-land on October 21, 2012, 02:18:57 AM
Natalee's Birthday - October 21st

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)

Happy Birthday, dear Natalee.  :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
Happy Birthday Natalee - we haven't forgotten  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2012, 11:22:37 AM
The Next Oncoming Show

DREAMS

by Natalee Holloway


Dreams come to us almost every night
But some are filled with terror and fright
While others can be of a beautiful sight.

Princesses, castles, horses, and kings
Prince Charming giving you a lovely ring
These are all of the fantasy things.

Death, sorrow, heartbreak, and grief
A tree losing its very last leaf
These dreams leave us in disbelief.

Some dreams we may always want to keep
those that leave us as safe as guarded sheep
And sadly others may make us weep.

Whatever happenes we must always know
Dreams will constantly come and go.
So, always be ready for the next oncoming show.


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman



(http://www.crimemuseum.org/element/cheer2.jpg)


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Post by: jamcakes on October 21, 2012, 07:33:17 PM
Happy Birthday, Natalee.  You have inspired so much in so many!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
The Milestones
 
Natalee Ann Holloway (October 21, 1986 - May 30, 2005)

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 198: The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee. People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it. But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me. It’s the milestones.


(http://www2.alabamas13.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/92173/report_suspect_in_natalee_case_confesses_to_dumpin/)


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Post by: carpe noctem on October 21, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
Happy Birthday Natalee - we haven't forgotten  ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy Birthday, Natalee! ::HelloKitty:: No, year after year, we never forget.

Where's my daughter?

Such a simple question that Joran and the Turd-poes could not answer...

...because they knew and know exactly what they did with her.

It must stink walking through life knowing what happened to her... and wondering when your payback will come due.

Not my idea of a good life, for sure. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Nooooo, uh uh.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
Open Arms Annual Meeting

Event seating is full.  Thank you for your support.

Beth Holloway
Mother of Natalee Holloway


(https://sites.google.com/site/openarmsannualmeeting/_/rsrc/1347405670332/home/VANISHED-WITH-BETH-HOLLOWAY.jpg.1347405670190.jpg?)


Monday, October 22nd
7:00 PM
Parkview Church
15035 East St. Rt. 12, Findlay

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother's worst nightmare.  When her daughter, Natalee Holloway, vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth's world changed forever.  Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her inspiring story.

If you have any question, please contact Open Arms 419-420-9261 or
OpenArmsFindlay.org


https://sites.google.com/site/openarmsannualmeeting/





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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


 :smt060


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Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Happy Birthday Natalee;
We're still praying for Justice!


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Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2012, 09:38:34 PM
Happy Birthday Natalee - we haven't forgotten  ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy Birthday, Natalee! ::HelloKitty:: No, year after year, we never forget.

Where's my daughter?

Such a simple question that Joran and the Turd-poes could not answer...

...because they knew and know exactly what they did with her.

It must stink walking through life knowing what happened to her... and wondering when your payback will come due.

Not my idea of a good life, for sure. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Nooooo, uh uh.

  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Rob on October 22, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
You are never forgotten, Natalee.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Natalee9.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Candles-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 22, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY NATALEE!!!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: wreck on October 22, 2012, 12:30:21 AM
You are never forgotten, Natalee.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Natalee9.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Candles-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Ditto!!

.... great to see you, Rob!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on October 22, 2012, 01:17:30 AM
You are never forgotten, Natalee.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Natalee9.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Candles-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



^^^This^^^



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2012, 12:53:54 PM
Open Arms Annual Meeting

Event seating is full.  Thank you for your support.

Beth Holloway
Mother of Natalee Holloway


(https://sites.google.com/site/openarmsannualmeeting/_/rsrc/1347405670332/home/VANISHED-WITH-BETH-HOLLOWAY.jpg.1347405670190.jpg?)


Monday, October 22nd
7:00 PM
Parkview Church
15035 East St. Rt. 12, Findlay

Join Beth as she shares her journey through a mother's worst nightmare.  When her daughter, Natalee Holloway, vanished in Aruba in 2005, Beth's world changed forever.  Now she tours the nation raising awareness with her inspiring story.

If you have any question, please contact Open Arms 419-420-9261 or
OpenArmsFindlay.org


https://sites.google.com/site/openarmsannualmeeting/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2012, 12:54:38 PM
The Goal of Education is Twofold

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 208: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209: Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive. Our U.S. constitutional rights don't apply in other countries. Once you leave here you are absolutely on your own. I can testify to that. But if we educate travelers by making more in-depth information about their destination available to them, offer preparedness measures they should take before they leave home, and take a second look at the victims' assistance that is supposed to be in place, then I believe people will have safer international travel experiences. And perhaps lives could be saved.
 

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/


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Post by: Ono on October 23, 2012, 11:20:04 AM
~~ Happy Belated Birthday Natalee ~     ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
The Act of Receiving and Giving with Grace

Beth Holloway spreading message of hope in Findlay
Updated: Oct 22, 2012 7:40 PM PDT


FINDLAY, OH (Toledo News Now) - Beth Holloway visited Findlay Monday to speak about domestic violence. Holloway was the featured speaker at an annual event for the Open Arms Domestic Violence and Rape Services Organization.

Holloway's daughter, Natalie disappeared from a senior trip while in Aruba back in 2005. Holloway travels the country sharing safety tips and the message of hope.

"What I've recognized, that was the most important, is how we embrace the signs of hope. They're there for all of us to seize, whatever needs, whatever our needs are at that particular moment. But I think it's up to us as the victims in order to reach out and embrace those signs of hope and realize that they're helping us through this devastating journey," said Holloway.

One week after a young mother and her three-year-old son were shot and killed in an act of domestic violence, the family of the victims is in the coping phase. Community members of Lake Township can help each other move forward.

"To be able to unite and unite on that child's behalf, unite on that family's behalf. That means, whether it is sending an encouraging card or letter to the family, you know, just stopping them on the street if they see them passing by, just taking the time to recognize what they've been through and to share with them that their thoughts and prayers are with them. It goes a long way, I know it sounds simple, but something that simple can make a big difference," said Holloway.

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/19886805/beth-holloway-speaks-on-domestic-violence-hope-in-findlay



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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 11:56:25 AM
(http://www.thecourier.com/photos/102312.jpg)


Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Mother describes ordeal of daughter's disappearance
by RYAN DUNN


After four days of frantically searching the island of Aruba for Natalee Holloway, her mother told a Findlay audience she could barely sleep or eat.

"Descending to the lowest place the human spirit can fall, I became physically and mentally weak," Beth Holloway said.

The 2005 disappearance and death of her 18-year-old daughter drove Holloway to avoid complacency. On Monday, she spoke of the need for safety and awareness during the annual meeting of the Open Arms Domestic Violence and Rape Crisis Services held at Parkview Christian Church.

"We don't teach our children these rules because we're all (needlessly) living in fear. We do it because it's not a safe world," Holloway said.

The disappearance drew international media attention to the search for Holloway, who visited the country on a trip with friends after graduating from high school.

Natalee Holloway never stood a chance against those who tried to harm her, her mother said, because she felt too confident and safe surrounded by other students.

"When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken," she said.

Beth Holloway said she believes her daughter left a restaurant with another man, Joran van der Sloot, and his group of friends. They provided a date rape drug, which sent her into seizures following an overdose, Holloway said.

The body was likely dumped at sea, she said.

"(Van der Sloot) said he didn't know what to do with her body, so he decided just to get rid of it," she said. Van der Sloot, who has never been charged in the death of Holloway, is serving a 28-year prison sentence for the 2010 murder of a Peruvian woman.

Praying over the disappearance of her daughter, Holloway said she found solace.

"Somehow I understood from the moment she got into that car that her heavenly father wrapped his loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night," Holloway said.

Holloway said she's pledged not to stop fighting, working with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help others find missing friends and relatives.

"After all we've been through, I have every right to crawl in a hole and never come out, but that's not how I want to live the rest of my life," she said.

In her speech, Holloway also praised Open Arms for its efforts to curb abuse in the area.

"They are turning victims into victors every day, and I applaud them for that," she said.

The meeting, which marked Domestic Violence Awareness Month, also discussed the year in review for Open Arms.

Ashley Ritz, executive director of Open Arms, said despite funding cuts, the group continues its efforts to help those in abusive relationships.

<snipped>

http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2012/Oct/23/ar_news_102312_story2.asp?d=102312_story2,2012,Oct,23&c=n


OPEN ARMS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & RAPE CRISIS SERVICES

P.O. BOX 496 • Findlay, Ohio • 45839-0496
(419) 420-9261 • E-Mail: openarmsfindlay@yahoo.com
24 HOUR CRISIS LINE (419) 422-4766

http://www.openarmsfindlay.org/
 



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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 12:17:04 PM
Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

NHRC Launched: June 8, 2010

The Crime Museum and Beth Holloway have partnered together to form the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC). NHRC focuses on education and crime prevention. NHRC is not a recovery center. In the event that a loved one does go missing, NHRC will provide families information and resources to assist them in the critical hours of their search process (within the first 72 hours).

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC/


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
After Hitting the Depths of Human Emotion

Mother Of Missing Teen Speaks In Findlay
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 5:00 AM


The disappearance of her daughter in Aruba in 2005 sparked a media fervor.  Last night Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, spoke in Findlay for the annual meeting of the Open Arms Domestic Violence and Rape Crisis Services.  Holloway told the Courier after hitting the depths of human emotion, she's used her daughters disappearance to try and help other young women.  She said Natalee never stood a chance against the people who hurt her, because she felt too confident and safe by being around her high school friends on a trip to Aruba. 

Beth Holloway told the audience on hand that she believes a group of men, including Joran van der Sloot, gave her daughter a date rape drug and took her from a club in Aruba.  Holloway believes her daughter was given enough of the drug to overdose, and then dumped at sea.  Joran van der Sloot is now serving a prison sentence for murdering a Peruvian woman.

Beth Holloway now tries to help other people find missing relatives through the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

http://www.wfin.com/localnews201.asp?id=11780&storyno=2



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Post by: texasmom on October 23, 2012, 11:42:50 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/pretzer102512.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2012, 03:57:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/133420-oven-voor-crematie-al-op-aruba

Google translation:

Furnace for cremation already in Aruba         

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2012 9:26

ORANGE CITY - The container containing materials for a cremation furnace came this week in Aruba and is already at the door of Aurora Funeral Home. The draft law cremated in Aruba must permit must still be approved by parliament.

Director Anthony Latham this funeral tells the container that there is indeed more than the law is ready. "I hope that the law this year is adopted, so that we may already be in January with cremations can begin." He is well aware that within the Aruban 'culture' they might not be fully ready for the idea that cremation later also in Aruba can, but he is convinced that cremation in Aruba for many people desire. "It just takes a lot of money to the deceased to Curacao across, there be cremated and their ashes then back to Aruba. If cremation in Aruba may, will a lot of money. "

No smoke

Wait until the legislation takes effect, Latham does not. "We are already working on our funeral to include a section for cremations. There is another chapel, where more place for people who want to take leave of the deceased. And behind the chapel is the facility for the cremation. "He ensures that the neighborhood not to be affected by the oven. "There is no smoke or smell." When the oven is ready, comes a training team of the manufacturer of the device to Aruba for the funeral employees training. Latham sees it no problem. "The chosen working method is widely used in the United States and the Netherlands."

A dead per month

The oven has a capacity for four deaths daily to burn. However, Aurora begins gently and focuses on a dead per month, so that society can slowly adapt. As the demand increases, this can be expanded. Latham emphasized that, despite the investment of 250,000 florins which he is in the oven, he does not want to make money on the cremation furnace. "I see it purely as providing additional services to our clients, based on the needs that are different from the beliefs on this island."

Permit

The draft law to allow cremations in Aruba, was last week by AVP-faction Marlon Sneek submitted. The idea of ​​the law is derived from former parliamentarian ASF Andy Lee. He left last November the parliament and asked Sneek to submit this law to take over from him. The bill now so by parliament to be treated, are conditions that a funeral home must meet. And it says that the Minister must issue a permit. Although Latham already engaged in extension work, he awaits the authorization. "Because without authorization cremations can not start."


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Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2012, 04:17:03 PM
https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba/posts/10151217761188866

Amigoe Aruba · 1,536 like this
Friday at 3:44pm via RSS Graffiti  ·

Marc van Erve nieuwe interim-PG
ORANJESTAD — Marc van Erve wordt per 1 november benoemd als interim procureur-generaal van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM). Hij blijft in ieder geval een jaar. Dat zei Julisa Arends-Hoevertsz van het ministerie van Justitie vanochtend tegen Amigoe.
Source: Amigoe Aruba

Google translation:

Marc van Erve new interim PG
ORANGE CITY - Marc van Erve on 1 November appointed as interim Attorney General of the Public Prosecutor (OM). It remains in any case a year. That said Julisa Arends-Hoevertsz of the Ministry of Justice this morning against Amigoe.
Source: Amigoe Aruba



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Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2012, 04:24:37 PM
https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba/posts/10151219168918866

Google translation:

Amigoe Aruba · 1,536 like this
Yesterday at 12:38 pm via RSS Graffiti ·

In brief
Wrong jailer The Country Investigation Thursday has a jailer KIA arrested on suspicion of administrative offenses, possession of narcotics and illegal possession of weapons. In search of justice found ready made packages with weapons, drugs and mobile phones. Apparently these were ready n ...
see More
Source: Amigoe Aruba


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Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
Janet,
You okay? Earthquake rocked you this morning setting off Tsunami warning to Hawaii.


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Post by: grace-land on October 28, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Janet, are you and your family ok?  Please check in when you can.

Hope that all of our Canadian monkeys are safe.  Sending prayers... ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2012, 08:13:27 PM
Grace and Kermit

Thank you for your concern.

I posted the following in the Jessica Ridgeway thread.

Janet

++++++

O/T

Janet - good to see you, I was worried about the earthquake!


Thanks Klaas.

I believe that only the Northern West Coast of British Columbia stretching East into the mainland felt the earthquake.  Thankfully ... there was very little damage and no injuries or fatalities.  Eldest son and family who live in the Victoria area of Vancouver Island felt nothing.

However ... there was a tsunami warning/advisory for a period of time as far away as Alaska/Hawaii and south along the coast as far as Mexico.  Thankfully ... no tsunami happened.

Janet

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/28/b-c-earthquake/



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Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Grace and Kermit

Thank you for your concern.

I posted the following in the Jessica Ridgeway thread.

Janet

++++++

O/T

Janet - good to see you, I was worried about the earthquake!


Thanks Klaas.

I believe that only the Northern West Coast of British Columbia stretching East into the mainland felt the earthquake.  Thankfully ... there was very little damage and no injuries or fatalities.  Eldest son and family who live in the Victoria area of Vancouver Island felt nothing.

However ... there was a tsunami warning/advisory for a period of time as far away as Alaska/Hawaii and south along the coast as far as Mexico.  Thankfully ... no tsunami happened.

Janet

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/28/b-c-earthquake/



 ::MonkeyCheer4::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2012, 08:36:56 PM
My prayers are for the safety of all who are in the path of Hurricane Sandy.

Hubby took daughter and family to Vancouver International early yesterday morning.  A ten day vacation in Orlando, Florida is where it is at.  I was worried sick about them in regards to this hurricane ... worried about them in the air and on the ground.  Pilot SIL assured me that he had check the important websites and all was fine.  Nevertheless ... I was relieved when he emailed me upon their safe arrival at their destination and daughter phoned this morning.

Again ... my prayers are will all who are forced to endure the wrath of Hurricane Sandy.

Janet

+++++

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/10/28/millions-across-east-coast-brace-for-uperstorm-sandy/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-10-27/news/os-hurricane-sandy-florida-weather-20121027_1_hurricane-force-winds-wind-advisories-tropical-storm


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Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2012, 09:53:18 PM

Janet glad to know you ad Veggie are safe and sound.

I have family in the Hurricane Sandy path. They have heeded my advice to get emergency supplies.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2012, 10:00:25 PM

Janet glad to know you ad Veggie are safe and sound.

I have family in the Hurricane Sandy path. They have heeded my advice to get emergency supplies.



 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Please keep us updated Kermit.

Janet


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Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2012, 11:14:44 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 184
: The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185: The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


The Open Door

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway
and Corruption in Paradise
By Dave Holloway

Page 142
:  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 05:46:47 PM
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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
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Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
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 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2012, 06:13:04 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/19/article-2089097-0F6B06F700000578-112_224x423.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 06:32:19 PM
THE WAITING GAME


The Third Penal Court of Lima
 
Joran Van der Sloot Reportedly Getting Married, Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
Jul 19, 2012 6:20 AM EDT


<snipped>

Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html


The Inter-American Commission of Human rights

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2012, 06:33:58 PM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.177981!/img/httpImage/image.jpg)


 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

 :smt078


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2012, 11:44:11 AM

Janet glad to know you ad Veggie are safe and sound.

I have family in the Hurricane Sandy path. They have heeded my advice to get emergency supplies.



 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Please keep us updated Kermit.

Janet


Kermit

Your family?  Any updates.

Morning has come and ... the revealed devastation in the media defines chilling.

Janet




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Post by: Kermit on October 30, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
I still have no word on them at all.
Last we spoke was before the Hurricane.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
I still have no word on them at all.
Last we spoke was before the Hurricane.


Kermit

I will add "Kermit's family" to the our ladies' prayer chain list.  The prayer chain includes over 15 churches extending east to Sparwood, BC and ... south to Portland, Or.

Janet


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Post by: Kermit on October 30, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T0IdAE5wZF4/SacphZR1PqI/AAAAAAAAApg/8Br62maB7BY/s400/Satish+Kalpoe.jpg)
http://nostradamnus.blogspot.com/2009/02/aruba-90000-friends-you-havent-met-yet.html

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NiU43R3LMXg/0.jpg)
http://article.wn.com/view/2007/12/03/Satish_Kalpoes_Lawyer_Goes_On_the_Record/



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Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2012, 03:24:30 PM
I still have no word on them at all.
Last we spoke was before the Hurricane.



Kermit, I pray you will soon hear from your family reporting they are safe and sound. 


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Post by: Kermit on October 30, 2012, 09:17:51 PM
Thank you Muffy Bee. Still nothing.
Last I talked to them, they were going to ride out the storm.
Maybe they changed their minds and went somewhere. I hope.


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Post by: Frijole on October 30, 2012, 09:34:34 PM
Kermit,  Adding my prayers for your family!  Take care.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on October 31, 2012, 03:15:16 AM
Thank you Muffy Bee. Still nothing.
Last I talked to them, they were going to ride out the storm.
Maybe they changed their minds and went somewhere. I hope.


Kermit, I'm keeping you and your family in my prayers and hoping you hear from them soon!


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Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
Thank you everyone for your prayers it means a lot and badly needed.

So far, I still have not heard from them at all.
I have been able to only find out that power is out until next Monday in the area that they live.
I am praying that it is only that power is out is why I have not heard from them. We are still
unable to get ahold of other friends in other areas too, so I'm hoping that it is just a matter
that my family is just without any means to contact us  They've been through bad storms before
but not like this one.


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Post by: MuffyBee on October 31, 2012, 01:50:17 PM
Thank you everyone for your prayers it means a lot and badly needed.

So far, I still have not heard from them at all.
I have been able to only find out that power is out until next Monday in the area that they live.
I am praying that it is only that power is out is why I have not heard from them. We are still
unable to get ahold of other friends in other areas too, so I'm hoping that it is just a matter
that my family is just without any means to contact us 
They've been through bad storms before
but not like this one.


I'll continue to pray for the safety of your family and friends Kermit.  I hope you hear from them soon.  As you noted, it may be just a matter that your family is without means to contact you. 


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Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2012, 02:57:09 PM
14 year old missing for two days...

http://www.awe24.com/20121029/12345/Polis_ta_pidi_ayudo_pa_buskeda_di_mucha_di_14_ana_cual_ta_perdi_pa_2_dia_caba

Papiamentu translation:

police is ask aid for buskeda of child of 14 year cual is perdi for 2 day end
2 day happen come across, 29 of october 2012 14:25

seccion: incidente

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/12345/1_1351539638.jpg)

Google translation:

2 DIA PASA, 29 OCTOBER 2012 TUE 2:25 p.m.
Seccion: incident
Signalement FORM MISSING / PERSON WALKING AWAY
Name: MATEO
First Name: Cristian Enmanuel
Callsign / nickname: Pio
Place of birth: Aruba
Date of Birth: 22 May 1998
Address: Pos Chiquito
Phone: no
Occupation: Student (Emma School)

Length: about 1.30 meters or slightly longer
Build: Slender
Skin color: Brown
Hair Color: Black / Brown
Hair Style: Cross Hair
Eyebrows: Little
Beard: No
Eye Color: Brown
Nose: Broad (see photo)
Mouth: lip slightly thicker than upper lip (see photo)
Teeth: Healthy
Speech / Language: Papiamento and Spanish

Clothing (type & color): Blue jeans, further info. dress unknown.
Specifics: Jeans is blue with brown color on the buttocks (stonewashed)

Scars / jewelry: Scar under left wrist
Last Seen place: Home Pos Chiquito
Last Seen Date: October 27, 2012, around 18:00.
Diseases: No

Contact name: Fausto Antonio MATEO
Contact Address: Pos Chiquito
Telephone contact:

Date: 29 OCTOBER 2012
rapporteur:


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Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
http://youtu.be/5hD87pT77Ig

Published on Sep 29, 2012 by DiscloseTruthTV

forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland discussed the Joran van der Sloot murder case. Should Van der Sloot be the murderer of both Natalie Holloway and Stephany Flores, Ramsland said that "it's unlikely he's done this five years apart without any kind of activity in between." However, she noted that determining additional crimes would be difficult given Van der Sloot's international travel and insufficient record keeping and investigations found in some countries. As such, Ramsland stopped short of calling him a serial killer, saying that "at this point, it's all alleged." Additionally, she was reticent to classify Van der Sloot as a sociopath or psychopath since those types of characterizations require a clinical diagnosis.

http://crimescapebooks.com/2012/01/cant-touch-this-why-did-van-der-sloot-yawn/

Can’t touch this: Why did van der Sloot yawn?

BY DR. KATHERINE RAMSLAND ON JANUARY 18, 2012

The following post is reprinted from Psychology Today

Joran van der Sloot, scheduled to plead guilty to murder earlier this month, wanted more time to “reflect” on the deal he would make. He seemed to think that the court should accommodate him, and even yawned widely to punctuate his arrogance. Certain offenders display a perplexing resilience. It’s called narcissistic immunity, or “Teflon narcissism.” They think they’re special.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2012, 12:08:25 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on November 02, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Wonderful news, Kermit!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm still amazed at the devastation and what people are going through. So happy that your family is well and I hope that very soon, their lives will get back to some kind of normal.   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2012, 04:57:20 PM
Wonderful news, Kermit!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm still amazed at the devastation and what people are going through. So happy that your family is well and I hope that very soon, their lives will get back to some kind of normal.   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you CBB,
I feel so terrible for those who are in peril and it is going to take a lot of time and money to rebuild their lives. I'm just so relieved that my family is alive. I don't know if they have any damage because I have not been able to talk with them, but I know they are alive & together. Hopefully the power will be back on for everyone soon   Again, thank you so much for your prayers. I know prayers work.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.

 :smt038


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Post by: wreck on November 02, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  ::rhino::


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Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Big relief for all of us Kermit, so glad they're o.k.!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: Buckeye on November 02, 2012, 06:27:46 PM
Glad to hear they're ok.    ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


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Post by: MuffyBee on November 02, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::


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Post by: Magnolia on November 02, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.


 ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Such good news.   


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Post by: grace-land on November 02, 2012, 10:27:54 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.

 ::MonkeyCheer3::

Continued prayers for your family.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: texasmom on November 04, 2012, 12:40:54 AM
http://bearingpointcaribbean.com/news/marc-van-erve-nieuwe-interim-pg-op-aruba/

Google translation:

Marc van Erve New Interim-PG of Aruba

FRIDAY, 26 OCTOBER 2012

ORANGE CITY - Marc van Erve on 1 November appointed as interim Attorney General of the Public Prosecutor (OM). It remains in any case a year. That said Julisa Arends-Hoevertsz of the Ministry of Justice this morning against Amigoe.

Since Attorney General Rob Pietersz in February of this year, retired, is to find a replacement. Chief Peter Blanken took from March the function and will now have more time for his own work. "I'm glad he comes," said Whites therefore request. Whites know the new interim PG personally and says that Van Preserve include Chief has been involved in the National Office in the Netherlands and has worked for Eurojust, an agency of the European Union that the cooperation between judicial authorities throughout the EU supports. Also, Van Erve chairman of the Central Review Committee, an advisory body of the Public Prosecution Service and the police with members. The committee advises the Board of Procurators-General in the Netherlands concerning special investigative techniques.


http://eurojust.europa.eu/press/PressReleases/Pages/2011/2011-10-10.aspx

Marc van Erve appointed as new National Member for The Netherlands at Eurojust

The Hague, 10 October 2011

On 01 October 2011, Mr Marc E.F.H. van Erve was appointed National Member for the Netherlands at Eurojust. In accordance with Article 2(1) of the Eurojust Decision, the appointment was approved by the Secretary General of the European Council.

The former National Member for the Netherlands, Mr Arend Vast, retired.

Mr Van Erve was Counselor for Judicial Affairs and Liaison Magistrate at the Embassy of the Netherlands in Paris, France, from 2005 till 2010.

Mr Van Erve was acquainted with Eurojust thanks to his previous position as the Dutch Representative in the College of Pro-Eurojust in Brussels, Belgium, from 2000 until June2001.

From October 2001 until October 2005, Mr Van Erve was Chief Public Prosecutor of the National Public Prosecutors’ Office in Rotterdam.

Mr Van Erve has extensive experience in international co-operation in criminal matters and is an expert in the fight against international organised crime.

 ::snipping2::

(http://eurojust.europa.eu/PublishingImages/press-centre/MvErve.jpg)


http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/foto-en-video/koningin-bezoekt-eurojust-16927

Queen visits Eurojust
September 26, 2012

(http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/umbraco/imagegen.aspx/?image=%2f1036560%2fanp-20745889_1_-web.jpg&width=&height=400&crop=resize&class=local&name=)

The Hague, 26 September 2012: Vice-President Carlos Zeyen, President Michele Coninsx, the Queen and the Dutch representative Marc van Erve during the celebration of the 10th anniversary of Eurojust, the judicial cooperation unit of the European Union © ANP, photo: Lex van Lieshout.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2012, 12:52:40 AM

The Next Oncoming Show

DREAMS

by Natalee Holloway


Dreams come to us almost every night
But some are filled with terror and fright
While others can be of a beautiful sight.

Princesses, castles, horses, and kings
Prince Charming giving you a lovely ring
These are all of the fantasy things.

Death, sorrow, heartbreak, and grief
A tree losing its very last leaf
These dreams leave us in disbelief.

Some dreams we may always want to keep
those that leave us as safe as guarded sheep
And sadly others may make us weep.

Whatever happenes we must always know
Dreams will constantly come and go.
So, always be ready for the next oncoming show.


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman



(http://www.crimemuseum.org/element/cheer2.jpg)


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Post by: Kat_Gram on November 04, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.
...

Good news Kermie, been following the hurricane news on CNN and of course reading here. 


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Post by: klaasend on November 04, 2012, 04:46:25 PM
Documents filed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  A recent document filed by the Defense team included his deposition/statement made by Larry Garrison.  This was one of many documents filed to prove the Kalpoe's were public figures thus were not defamed.

I know it's hard to read:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/GarrisonDepo1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/GarrisonDepo2.jpg)


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Post by: Kermit on November 04, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/344cms6.jpg)
source: Witness list for November 13, 2012 hearing


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Post by: Kermit on November 04, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
I thank all of you who were praying for my family. Just a few minutes ago I was able to secure they are alive and okay, albeit they are tired and going through a lot, they are alive. May G_d bless you each for your prayers. Thank you. Big relief for me.
...

Good news Kermie, been following the hurricane news on CNN and of course reading here. 

Thank you Ms. Kat_Gram,
I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting for their power to return. Before the storm hit, I know they had gone to shop for food, but
I don't think they were prepared for a week!!!!  It's going to take some time for ALL of the people that this storm hit to be able to deal with the emotions.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on November 04, 2012, 05:36:05 PM

The Next Oncoming Show

DREAMS

by Natalee Holloway


Dreams come to us almost every night
But some are filled with terror and fright
While others can be of a beautiful sight.

Princesses, castles, horses, and kings
Prince Charming giving you a lovely ring
These are all of the fantasy things.

Death, sorrow, heartbreak, and grief
A tree losing its very last leaf
These dreams leave us in disbelief.

Some dreams we may always want to keep
those that leave us as safe as guarded sheep
And sadly others may make us weep.

Whatever happenes we must always know
Dreams will constantly come and go.
So, always be ready for the next oncoming show.


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman



(http://www.crimemuseum.org/element/cheer2.jpg)


I use to think that we didn't let go of Natalee, but now I honestly feel that it's Natalee that hasn't let go of all of us.



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Post by: klaasend on November 04, 2012, 07:15:15 PM
Also, in another case  ::MonkeyWink::

Rhode Island Court Cases


PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    07-NOV-2012

   3rd District Court


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
Documents filed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  A recent document filed by the Defense team included his deposition/statement made by Larry Garrison.  This was one of many documents filed to prove the Kalpoe's were public figures thus were not defamed.

I know it's hard to read:

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


If the Dr.Phil recording was not deceptely manipulated ... why are documents/dispositions required?  Why can a forensic analysis of the recording not stand alone as evidence for the defense to prove that Deepak was not defamed.  A simple comparison with the Skeeters' original recording that is saved on his hard drive should suffice.  The Kalpoes lose!! Case closed!!

Janet

++++++

Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  ... I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST

 
<snipped>

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway." ...

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html
 


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Post by: klaasend on November 04, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Janet - because this lawsuit is about more than the Skeeters tape, it's also about the entire Dr. Phil show in regards to Satish and Deepak.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Philippians 4:7  
And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.



Peace

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Pages 100-103: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2012, 10:46:04 PM

(http://cdn2.blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2010/06/nataleeholloway.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
Janet - because this lawsuit is about more than the Skeeters tape, it's also about the entire Dr. Phil show in regards to Satish and Deepak.

Thanks Klaas.  Thank you for posting the documents.  Were you able to locate the court document pertaining to the deposing of Dr. Phil's editor.  It was a woman.  I was sure that you posted it.  I remember reading it.  Anyway ... DIL could not find it in her dossier.  Maybe it was a figment of my imagination.

I like your new avatar.  Hubby and I will be watching the returns across the line at a dinner  gathering at the home of my son's inlaws on Tuesday.  It is hubby and my 47th wedding anniversary.  Where did the romance go.

Janet
 
 


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Post by: jamcakes on November 05, 2012, 03:31:33 AM
Thanks  for posting the Garrison deposition.

This Kalpoe lawsuit is ridiculously slow.

I'm glad all the monkey's families are safe from Sandy.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
Considering past media publicity ... it appears that the foundation of Phil McGraw's defense is that the Kalpoes are "libel proof" ... cannot be defamed.  The "editing" or "manipulating" of the Dr. Phil recording is a non-issue and ... anything negative that was implied on that broadcast in regards to the Kalpoes is a non-issue.

Janet

++++++

Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 01:22:12 PM
The Kalpoes lose!!  Case Closed!!

STEVE COHEN - PUBLIC STATEMENT


Steve Cohen, “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her”. REALLY?

<snipped>

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico

<snipped>

Hasn’t the entire debate about the Deepak Tapes been about whether he said, “we did or did not have sex with her?” Now Steve Cohen, consultant to the Aruban government puts it on record that they did have sex with Natalee. Why has anyone wasted any time regarding the tapes as to Deepak’s comments? Seems to be the point is moot. I guess we all now know the answer now.

“Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

Posted January 18, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/


ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

http://www.arubatruth.com/?p=17


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 01:23:14 PM
The Kalpoes lose!!  Case Closed!!

PROSECUTORS OFFICE - STATEMENT RELEASE

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 01:48:55 PM
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/news/050725/nholloway.jpg)



Gerald Dompig

Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case
TRANSCRIPT
Oct. 12, 2005


GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE:  DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 2nd
Nov. 3, 2005


RITA COSBY, HOST:  Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF:  Yes.

<snipped>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
April. 6, 2006


GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
Why has this lawsuit dragged on for almost six long years?

A dossier/compilation of media transcripts and media video clips of those in the know within the Natalee Holloway investigation implicating Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their own words  should be all the evidence Phil McGraw's defence requires as evidence to prove to the court that defamation did not occur as a result of the Dr. Phil broadcase.

Janet

+++++


Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?

Can people who knowingly and willfully lie, obstruct justice and bear false witness have the credibility to sue for defamation? Doesn’t one first need character in order to sue for it’s damage? The Kalpoe’s and Aruba have been dancing around the truth in the Natalee Holloway case for 3 years running. The question that needs to be addressed is did either Deepak or Satish Kalpoe have the ability to sue for libel seeing that their reputations were already tarnished prior to the Dr Phil tape. Namely, their reputations were tarnished by their own doing.

Posted June 14, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/


Steve Cohen, “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her”. REALLY?

Hasn’t the entire debate about the Deepak Tapes been about whether he said, “we did or did not have sex with her?” Now Steve Cohen, consultant to the Aruban government puts it on record that they did have sex with Natalee. Why has anyone wasted any time regarding the tapes as to Deepak’s comments? Seems to be the point is moot. I guess we all now know the answer now.
 
“Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

Posted January 18, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Food for Thought

Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?

The defamation lawsuit filed by the two Surinamese brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway continues to go forward. The first question that one would ask is, how can one claim defamation of charters if they are void of said character? Should the law suit go forward? Probably not; however, I say why not … discovery and interrogatories of the Kalpoe brothers might just be what the doctor ordered to help find answers and “Justice for Natalee”.

Posted June 14, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/

s.t.



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Post by: SuzieQ on November 05, 2012, 04:55:33 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 05, 2012, 05:13:58 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



Oh good grief!!   ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 05, 2012, 06:20:26 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I certainly hope that Beth knows about this.  She should tie up any possible profits.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: cadillac on November 05, 2012, 06:31:03 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B


SuzieQ- my sentiments exactly.  She is not going to do this.  If she did it would be like Byass' book- no one would  read it because it was full of it.

She just spewing you know what...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2012, 06:33:37 PM
Also, in another case  ::MonkeyWink::

Rhode Island Court Cases


PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE    07-NOV-2012

   3rd District Court

Thanks Klaas!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2012, 06:35:46 PM
Documents filed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  A recent document filed by the Defense team included his deposition/statement made by Larry Garrison.  This was one of many documents filed to prove the Kalpoe's were public figures thus were not defamed.

I know it's hard to read:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/GarrisonDepo1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/GarrisonDepo2.jpg)

Thanks for posting this Klaas! 

And thanks to the generous monkey that purchases the documents for us!

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I certainly hope that Beth knows about this.  She should tie up any possible profits.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2012, 06:54:17 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I certainly hope that Beth knows about this.  She should tie up any possible profits.

 ::rhino::

I should clarify by saying that IMO if this book thing does come to pass, I think Mary Hamer will probably spend more having it printed than it will ever make in sales.  

RG's crockumentary comes to mind...   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
The following is a link to a video clip of today's Anderson Cooper interview with Mary Hamer.  My understanding is that a response from Beth will be forthcoming.

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
A video clip from an Anderson Cooper interview with Mary Hamer in January.

Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer: Continuing the Conversation...
Friday, January 27, 2012 7:31AM

http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/01/26/mary-hamer-continuing-the-conversation






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Anna on November 05, 2012, 11:59:40 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I take it that this is NOW in real time?  Hard to tell in all these blasts from the past.

Which one is the more desperate for attention, Joran or Mary Hamer?

Either one will do just about anything it seems.  I guess she doesn't realize that no one cares what Joran thinks.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 06, 2012, 08:22:38 AM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I take it that this is NOW in real time?   Hard to tell in all these blasts from the past.

Which one is the more desperate for attention, Joran or Mary Hamer?

Either one will do just about anything it seems.  I guess she doesn't realize that no one cares what Joran thinks.  


I've added the article date "November 5, 2012", which should have been included with the link Anna.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on November 06, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
My family just contacted me. They got power back on 20 minutes ago. YEE HAW.They are very stressed out from their ordeal and they just learned another storm is coming. It's already late there so I don't know that they can go out to get supplies or what.

Now I have a stupid question. Does anyone know what the safest method to send money to them would be?
I know some areas you have to have cash in order to buy groceries. I don't know if they are getting mail yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on November 06, 2012, 06:33:44 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date of article.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Natalee's alleged killer, which is dedicated, in part, to Natalee.


GMA*B



I certainly hope that Beth knows about this.  She should tie up any possible profits.

 ::rhino::

I should clarify by saying that IMO if this book thing does come to pass, I think Mary Hamer will probably spend more having it printed than it will ever make in sales.  

RG's crockumentary comes to mind...   ::MonkeyRoll::

That is what I think too texasmom.
Even a man-behind-bars wouldn't do her.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: Kermit on November 06, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/10/andersons-coopers-daytime-talk-show-canceled/
Anderson Cooper show cancelled
October 29, 2012 (Edited to add date of article-MB)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: can on November 06, 2012, 07:09:25 PM
My family just contacted me. They got power back on 20 minutes ago. YEE HAW.They are very stressed out from their ordeal and they just learned another storm is coming. It's already late there so I don't know that they can go out to get supplies or what.

Now I have a stupid question. Does anyone know what the safest method to send money to them would be?
I know some areas you have to have cash in order to buy groceries. I don't know if they are getting mail yet.

::MonkeyCheer4:: finally, they have power!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

what about a gift certificate for a major grocery store in their area sent by courier.

OR if you bank on-line - a transfer to their bank account.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 06, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/mary-hamer-krysten-ritter-kyle-richards/
Edit to add date.  MB  November 5, 2012
DAYTIME EXCLUSIVE: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL MARY HAMER SPEAKS OUT about the controversial new book she is co-writing with Nata