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Anonymous Donor Offers Reward For Missing SoCal Student
Woman Last Seen Leaving For Party In June
POSTED: 12:24 pm PDT July 14, 2007

RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA, Calif. -- An anonymous donor has offered a $15,000 reward for the safe return of a university student who disappeared when she went out with a man she met on the Internet site Craigslist.org, the Orange County Sheriff's Department said Friday.

Jou, a student at San Diego State University, lives with her mother in Rancho Santa Margarita.

She has not been seen since June 23, when she went out with John Steven Burgess, now identified as a convicted sex offender who is being sought for questioning.

Her family said they last saw her leaving with Burgess to go to a party. Her mother received a text message the day after that said her cell phone battery was dying, but that she would be home soon. Because Jou addressed her mother as "Mommy" -- a term she did not use -- detectives said they suspect she may not have sent the message.

Last Sunday, the license plate of a pickup truck belonging to Burgess and his motorcycle helmet were found at a Los Angeles intersection about 1.5 miles from his house.

Burgess sent an e-mail to the Orange County Sheriff's Department, sheriff's Investigator Dan Salcedo told reporters.

"I can't elaborate on what was the content of the e-mail itself," Salcedo said, calling it the man's "attempt to communicate his thoughts and his feelings of essentially what may have occurred."

"However it remains confidential and ... we're working into looking further into the information he provided," Salcedo said.

Investigators initially sought two men as persons of interest.

They now believe Burgess used the photo of another man while contacting Jou online.

Burgess was convicted of three counts of battery in 2002 and of performing a lewd act against a child the following year.

http://www.knbc.com/news/13682894/detail.html

Sheriff gets e-mail from man claiming to be Sinjin Stevens
Message expresses thoughts and feelings about what happened to missing student; detectives try to verify author
Saturday, July 14, 2007

RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA An e-mail sent last week to the Orange County Sheriff's Department by a man claiming to be John Steven Burgess, the convicted sex offender wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a 19-year-old honors college student he met on the Internet, has investigators scrambling to verify the author's identity – and the computer that sent the message.

Investigators would not disclose the exact contents of the email, but lead detective Dan Salcedo characterized the message as "an attempt to express his thoughts and feelings about what may have happened to Donna Jou." The San Diego State student disappeared June 23 after Burgess – who goes by the name Sinjin Stevens - picked her up on his motorcycle at her mother's Rancho Santa Margarita apartment and took Jou to his Los Angeles house for a party. She has not spoken to her family and friends and there has been no activity on her credit cards.

The e-mail may have been a hoax – or a way for Burgess to try to explain to detectives what happened, Salcedo said. Finding where it was sent from could be nearly impossible, he said, but detectives are doing everything they can to find the missing girl.

The suspicious circumstances that led to Jou's disappearance more than three weeks ago, Burgess' status as a sex offender and his hasty departure from his rented Los Angeles home July 5, the same day he was named as a person of interest, have Sheriff officials concerned.

"None of these things make us very happy," Sheriff Mike Carona said. "But there is nothing at this time to indicate that we can not bring Donna Jou back safely to her family."

Leads that were pouring in by the dozens in the days after the investigation began have dwindled to one or two a day. Sheriff's officials are pleading with the public to report any sightings of Burgess or his 1998 blue Ford pickup.

Burgess never told Los Angeles police he had moved into a rented house near the I-10 and 405 freeways, and again failed to update his registration within five days of his June 28 birthday as required by law. A warrant has been issued for his arrest for failing to register.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/rsm/article_1767530.php

I wonder why this is just making the news now?  This is the first I've heard of this case.  Sure doesn't look good  :cry:

It is looking very grim for this young woman.
Internet dating is a risky proposition IMHO..... :shock: I'm not blaming the victim at all, but we all know that people lie online all the time. This guy really misrepresented himself, and now she's probably lost her life.
Very sad. She must have thought he was a nice guy.

Yes, and she may have thought that a party was safer than a one on one date . . .

She may have, and it does seem to be a sensible place to go....lots of other people. But did she let him drive her?
I feel so bad for her family.

I hope they fry the man who killed her.

I agree with you A's.  My friend and I were talking earlier and it seems like kids don't do the buddy system when they go out anymore.

I guess I need to read a little more carefully....I see that she rode off on his motorcycle. I wish she'd had the foresight to drive herself, instead of being alone with him on a bike. Maybe she could have gotten away from him and survived.

Did I miss something?  They haven't found her body yet right?  We are still under the assumption she is missing but most likely has been killed?

Yes, Ms. DV, you are right, no body has been found.  I guess we've gotten a little ahead of ourselves here.  Certainly the outlook looks grim for this young lady, but we should stay positive and keep her in our prayers.

Mrs. Red, I've also noticed that the buddy system is not widely used anymore.  I think it might have something to do with the way we raise our daughters these days.  We raise them to be independent, confident, competent women who can succeed in the world just as men can. All of which is great academically and in the workplace, but perhaps devastating in the dating world.  They don't realize how very vulnerable they are!

Thanks A's fever.  I too will keep her in my prayers to be found alive.

I also agree with you about the buddy system for our kids.  I think it should be for our boys as well as girls.  No matter what,  there's safety in numbers.....

I guess we have made an assumption that she's been killed, and maybe we shouldn't. But I don't think she is alive. We keep seeing this same scenario over and over, and it's a rare exception that the victim survives. My gut tells me this young woman is gone forever. The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are not in her favor.
But gosh, I do hope I'm wrong!

I just want to say craigslist - YIKES!!!  That IMO is worse than Myspace.   I am pretty sure you all know how I feel about myspace when it comes to these sick twisted perverts.  :evil:

So many reputable online dating sites.  Sad to say but Craigslist has the lowest form of life EVER!!!  People who are just looking for 'flings' or worse (if you can believe that).

Not only that but I have seen so many younger women go to Craigslist to find dates, jobs, etc. and it is 9 times out of 10 a scam! How did we get to a point where people feel like they need to "meet" online?  I realize that we have all "met" here at SM, but not for dates or such...

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Search for Orange County's Donna Jou Intensifies

LOS ANGELES, CA (AP)  --   Authorities searching for a convicted sex offender in the case of a missing female college student found the license plate of a truck belonging to the man, as well as his motorcycle helmet, at a Los Angeles intersection, marking the latest break in the investigation.

   San Diego State University student Donna Jou, 19, was last seen June 23 at the Los Angeles home of John Steven Burgess, whom she met on the Internet.

   Jou's family says the last time they saw Jou was when they watched her leave her Rancho Santa Margarita apartment with Burgess for the party. Her mother received a text-message the day after Jou disappeared that said her cell phone battery was dying, but she'd be home soon. She never arrived.

   Burgess' license plate - SinJin 1 - as well as descriptions of his blue 1998 Ford Ranger pickup and his 1981 Yamaha motorcycle have been widely publicized.

   On Sunday, a black plastic tool box was found by a passer-by about a mile and a half from Burgess' house. Inside was the license plate and a black motorcycle helmet, along with other items police wouldn't identify, said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino.

   Investigators initially sought two men as persons of interest. They now believe Burgess used the photo of another man while contacting Jou online.

   Burgess was convicted of three counts of battery in 2002 and of performing a lewd act against a child the following year.

>>>>The Full Article

http://www.knx1070.com/pages/667752.php?contentType=4&contentId=678557

Yes, and the other interesting thing about that is why would a kid who goes to SDSU seek an online date?  That school is very socially active - read - party school.  My son goes to a university across town from there and some of his high school friends go to SDSU and it is well known as a rowdy campus.  So why go online to seek a date??

By the way, is CraigsList not a good place to look for a job?  I have been looking there sporadically . . .  :oops:

The clue list expands in missing O.C. student's case
A toolbox believed discarded by a sex offender held gloves, rope and a brush, a law enforcement source reveals.

July 17, 2007

A toolbox found July 8 and believed discarded by a registered sex offender wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a female Orange County student contained rubber gloves, rope and a scrub brush, a law enforcement source revealed Monday.

Earlier reports on the box's contents had not listed those items.

Donna Haghighat Jou, 19, was last seen June 23 at a party at John Steven Burgess' West Los Angeles home. About two weeks later, Burgess' toolbox was found abandoned on the side of a residential road 1½ miles away.

Authorities said then that the toolbox contained a license plate assigned to Burgess' truck and a motorcycle helmet believed to have been used by Jou, but a law enforcement source said Monday that the toolbox also included the gloves, rope and brush.

Investigators believe that Burgess, 35, met Jou on the Internet and picked her up on his motorcycle near the apartment she shares with her mother in Rancho Santa Margarita on the day of the party. She had told people she was going on a date.

Burgess goes by the alias Sinjin Stevens and owns a 1998 Ford pickup, authorities said. Neighbors saw him at his home in the 3600 block of Faris Drive in Palms for a few days after the party, but he has not been seen since.

Jou, a physics major at San Diego State University, is close to her family and stayed in daily contact with them until her disappearance.

Her father, Reza Jou, a system integration manager for NASA's International Space Station based in Houston, said his daughter was academically brilliant, with a 1760 SAT score, but lacked street savvy.

"She was a very naive person," he said in an interview last week. "She would trust people without asking questions."

In the meantime, the family would continue its search for her, he said.

"It's really killing us. The wait is unbelievable," he said. "Every day is like a month."
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Sex Offender John Steven Burgess Arrested on Drug Charge in FL, POI Case of Missing Donna Jou

http://missingexploited.com/2007/07/26/sex-offender-john-steven-burgess-arrested-in-fl-in-case-of-missing-donna-jou/

Amormino said homicide investigators from Orange County were in Florida, where Burgess is currently being held on a drug charge and for failing to register as a sex offender.

Burgess has not been charged in connection with Jou’s disappearance, but authorities remain suspicious.

Texas EquuSearch To Join the Search for Missing Donna Jou

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/28/texas-equusearch-to-join-the-search-for-missing-donna-jou/

A's... yes craig'slist is not the best place to look...

I think we are finding the tip of the proverbial iceberg on this one...

I met Jim Amormino about 30 yrs ago. IMO you can't find a more honest person.

This guy's address is about 10 blocks from where I used to live. And about 20 blocks now. I used to volunteer teaching "survival" English to homeless Hispanics that lived under this intersection and others.

Where is TES searching? I'll go on their site. I'd like to help. Red and Mrs. Red you have my email. Please email if I can help in some way. From her OC res. to West LA is a heck of a long way on a motorcycle.

Am confused... was she living in WLA???

Update... 1.5 miles from my home... 1 block from my bank. Am calling TES's toll free # to see if I can help.

Never made a tiny URL before. Here's a map so you can get an idea of where his house is.

http://tinyurl.com/2ejaj6 (http://tinyurl.com/2ejaj6)

The text message may have been sent under duress or she may have already been dead by this time. How long did it take the mother to notice the text message was unusual?
Please, I do hope there will be none of this 'missing' or 'still hope' nonsense.

what does that mean?  One would suspect as a parent that there would always be the wish to hold out hope...

of course it's easy for us to say she's gone... but we aren't her family.

This is freaky. Hopefully this woman will be a bit more careful who she lets into her home. If anything, she needs to protect her children.

fran

http://www.fox30online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=57e63341-bbaa-4e9c-a79d-745c42c17aa7&rss=10

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Prior to his arrest, Harley-Davidson said Burgess was working at the A1A Crab Shack and the Barrier Island Restaurant and living in her third-floor penthouse overlooking the Intracoastal Waterway.

When she took Burgess in, Harley-Davidson said she knew he needed help after having legal troubles in California, but she said she had no idea just how much trouble that was.

"[His mother] did not tell me he was a sex offender," Harley-Davidson said. "She told me she had gotten him out of trouble in L.A., but never in my wildest dreams..."

For nearly two weeks, Burgess lived under her roof, but she said it was only after a few days that things started to get odd.

"A down (feathered) pillow was sliced, like, right open," Harley-Davidson said, "and the TV was ripped out of the wall."

But she said it wasn't until the cable went out that Burgess really freaked out.

"He was very excited that the news was not on," she said. "And he had made the comment that he was a news buff -- he had to watch the news. I think he wanted to watch the news so he could see his face plastered all over it."

Harley-Davidson said she knew she had to get Burgess out of her house when she found a pipe with marijuana in his room.

"My son told me this," she said. "I'm calling my brother saying 'get him out of my house -- do it now.'"
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Missing teen’s father begs for help

Published July 31, 2007
NASSAU BAY — Anguishing about his daughter’s disappearance more than a month ago, Reza Jou asked Monday for the governors of California and Florida to expedite the extradition of a convicted sex offender who could know the teen’s whereabouts.

Donna Jou, 19, a 2006 Clear Lake High School graduate and student at San Diego State University, was last seen June 23 at a party at the California home of John Steven Burgess.

Burgess, 35, was arrested July 24 in Florida by the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Department on a drug charge, and he faces a California charge of failing to register his new address.

Meanwhile, Burgess isn’t cooperating with Orange County investigators from California who interviewed him in Florida about Jou’s disappearance.

Jou’s father wants Burgess taken to Los Angeles for questioning. Reza Jou asked attorneys general, governors and Burgess’ mother to intervene.

“He is in jail in Jacksonville, Fla., using his constitutional right not to speak about my daughter’s whereabouts,” Jou said. “This is a very urgent matter. My child’s life is in danger.”

Jou said he’d received no response to his urgent plea, but The Daily News contacted California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s office for comment.

“Gov. Schwarzenegger is committed to expediting a request for extradition if charges are filed and a request is made by the local district attorney,” said Bill Maile, a spokesman for the governor.

Jim Amormino, a spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff’s office, said Burgess is a “person of interest” in Jou’s disappearance, and that he could be extradited to California in two weeks.

Farrah Emami, a spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney’s office, said Burgess hasn’t been charged with a crime against Jou.

“If a case is presented by the sheriff’s office, we will review it and make a decision at that time,” Emami said.

“Obviously this is a huge tragedy for that family, who wants to know what happened to Donna, no matter what.”

Emami said the district attorney is bound by law to make sure he prosecutes people believed to be responsible.

“I absolutely sympathize with the father, and we’re doing everything in our power to get answers, talking with everyone possible,” Emami said. “I don’t pretend to imagine what they’re going through with what happened to his little girl.”

Although Jacksonville authorities found Burgess’ truck Friday, Amormino said Monday there was nothing new to report in the case. Forensic experts were examining the truck for any signs of Jou’s disappearance, he said.

Burgess’ mother lives in the Jacksonville area, said Ken Jefferson, a spokesman for the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

“He’s held on a $1 million bond at the Duval County Pretrial Detention Facility,” Jefferson said. “But he’s awaiting extradition and can’t be bonded.”

http://tinyurl.com/2h3owo

Beachedblack Thanks for keeping this thread updated.

You are most welcome,IBE so sad to read about these many families suffering the loss of a child.

The Dana Pretzer Show - Wednesday, August 1, 2007. Special Guests Devlyn Steel, Wendy Murphy, Al Garza and Reza Jou

Reza Jou, the father of 19 year old missing Donna Jou will be interviewed tonight bt Dana Pretzer on Scared Monkeys radio.

Go to Scared Monkeys.com and click on Dana's radio page icon

Her dad was so sad... I do hope that he finds some resolution.... he mentioned TES will be there soon.  I had read (here I think) that the LE was a little uncomfortable with the searchers, so I am glad that it's getting worked out..

how truly sad all of this is.

Neither extradition nor rendition need be expedited in this case.

He ain't talkin' in Florida, so he ain't gonna talk in California!

Ain't nothin' he can say dats gonna bring her back to life. Don't make no difference whether its California or Florida or half-way in between!

She went out seeking entertainment. He sought entertainment also! His entertainment involved rape and murder. So did hers...she just didn't know it.

Extradition if it helps get this family answers should be expedited - I would much rather my tax dollars go to that than some of the stupidity it does go to.

No one can bring Donna Jou back to life.  There still should be justice for her ,as she was a victim.  She still has family and friends that would like to see justice served.  Extradite Burgess to California, where crime was committed.  Make it easier for her family and friends to attend any and all court dates and follow any legal proceedings.  Have you ever thought about what a victim's family goes through?  And maybe Burgess isn't talking now in Florida.  But maybe he will talk in California. Maybe he will be offered a deal, who knows?  It may be your opinion he won't talk, but it's my opinion he might-and if it means the possibility of some justice, it's worth it.  I don't really like the way your last sentences read:  :"She went out seeing entertainment.  He sought entertainment also!  His entertainment involved rape and murder. So did hers...she just didn't know it."   It strikes me as rather flippant, considering Donna Jou is no longer in this world.  Since when does going for entertainment mean being murdered?  Do you think Donna is responsible for her own death?  Like she asked for it?  I hope that isn't what you implied in your last sentences.  Please let me know if I read your post wrong.  No one can bring Donna Jou back to life, but Burgess can face the consequences for his actions.   

FWIW, Donna was on Craig's List to advertise to do Math Tutoring over the summer. She was attending classes at Santiago College a couple of days a week. This guy answered her ad.

No one knows why Donna went with him that day, but we do know that this guy had a 'fake' picture on Craig's List and I believe I understood he answered her ad. So we don't KNOW that she knew she was going to a party. But we DO know that she locked herself in the bathroom at that house that day and called a friend down in San Diego and told them this guy was acting weird.

Poor Donna, if ONLY she'd called 911 instead we wouldn't be here today and this guy would be sitting in an LA County jail for SOMETHING!

JMO
fran

They'll probably have to offer him a deal, no DP to tell them where Donna is. If that's what it takes to bring Donna home to her family, then so be it! Let him be someone's 'friend' in prison while he serves LWOP.

At this point and time, I just want Donna home with her family. They deserve at least that.

fran

PS...this is a 'local' case for me and I have four daughters. I hate it when this happens. Especially so close to home.

>Donna was on Craig's List to advertise to do Math Tutoring over the summer.
Well, meeting place and transportation should have been her decisions only.

>No one knows why Donna went with him that day,
Might have been something like 'my roommate's car broke down so he sent me' or something. It seems she was certainly not suspicious or atleast too trusting about things.
>But we DO know that she locked herself in the bathroom at that house that day
>and called a friend down in San Diego and told them this guy was acting weird.
Clearly, she was not brought up to be the type to call the local cops and say he was acting weird. Relying on friends in that situation, particularly a geographically distant friend seems strange. I think there was an awareness that things had deteriorated and she had made bad decisions but she somehow just didn't want to bite the bullet and do what had to be done. She wasn't in Kansas anymore. She knew it, but she didn't want to adjust her behavior to her new environment. She wanted to go back home to Kansas. It wasn't going to happen.

Foolsgold - just so you understand, we don't tolerate blaming the victim here at SM.  Donna may have made a mistake but she didn't deserve to be harmed because of it.

Nothing I've said in any way involves this "blaming the victim" crap. I've always thought its nonsense to think someone seeks their own death. I've just pointed out that for someone who was meeting a stranger she seems to have taken an unusual lack of precautions. (Although I doubt some of those oft-suggested precautions would ever have been any good. One girl in San Francisco arranged to meet at a crowded mall, it didn't help her one whit).  The odd thing here is the call to a friend when she was locked in a bathroom ... that is clearly a situation requiring 911. Was she too embarassed?

This Craigslist has probably generated zillions of contacts that have gone safely and some that may have gone exceptionally well... but there is always the chance of it being a creep. Convicts often use a different inmate's name or photo for in-prison solicitations. And from the defendant's present silence, he seems to know the ropes a bit too well. Many convicts claim they are in prison for a tax offense rather than a truly criminal act so as to manipulate women who might otherwise be more wary.

Donna Jou's parents are immigrants. Donna was raised in Houston, Tx and her mom only moved to Rancho Sant Margarita so that Donna could attend college in San Diego. She has a brother attending Harvard.

Although extemely book smart, Donna's family said she was NOT 'street smart,' thus, imo, the mis-steps with regard to meeting someone from the internet. In addition, when they were to meet that day, the POI portrayed himself as a 'friend' of Donna's friend, I guess his way of putting her at ease. Had Donna been 'street smart,' it would have been a HUGE red flag, especially since he also said he wouldn't meet her at her house, but at the corner.

This guy is a 'predator' and practiced manipulater. He had a # of foreign students staying at his home, some with nothing more than a mattress thrown on the floor and their clothes in a suitcase, paying him hundred$ each month for their 'space.' He knew how to spot the 'most vulnerable' and use their naivete to his advantage.

Donna was unknowingly caught in this guy's web of deceipt which most likely cost her her life. Although by society's standard, at the age of 19 Donna was considered an adult, her sheltered upbringing by a doting immigrant family made her the 'perfect victim' for this blithe on society, Burgess.

It's easy for us who have studied several of these types of crimes, especially in hindsight, to spot these types of predators, but Donna had no clue the probable horror she was opening herself to. Even the fact that she called a friend rather than 911 when she became afraid of this guy, is additional evidence of her innocent nature.

If Donna only knew. If her parents only knew. But that's how these sort of things happen, the 'if onlys' are seen in hindsight and not real-time, and you have cases like Donna's hitting our headlines.

We need Donna brought home to her family, whether she's alive or not. At this point, I fear the worst, but either way, she deserves to be brought home and Donna's family needs everyone's support in their effort to do this. And IF the worst happened to Donna, whoever did this deserves to be punished and Donna and her family deserve justice.

JMHO
fran

Well said Fran, I was thinking the same thing... I have several friends with immigrant parents, and the thought process is different. Other cultures are different than ours, and I do think we forget that.

I messed up that quote in reply to FoolsGold's ridiculous blaming the victim post.  This should not be tolerated. 

Thank you mrs. red.

I think what we're all forgetting is that we don't even have to be an immigrant family to be taken in by someone who is intent on deceiving you. I have a daughter, well.....just like Natalee, and when she was beginning college she met the love of her life. Having four daughters, he was the FIRST guy any of them had brought home that my hubby and I really liked and enjoyed talking to him.

Oh boy! Were we ever fooled. After two years and a final break-up, he being the macho he thought he was, had to have the last word and told our daughter everything,......how he'd lied and lied and lied, how he'd cheated and cheated and cheated, and on and on.......But he still stalked her via email and cell phone.

We as her parents and she being 'street wise,' didn't see this coming and were in total shock! And here I was heavily in the Laci Peterson case on another forum and never dreamed I could be fooled by someone like SP. OhMyGosh!

Any of us can be fooled............LOL............and do you believe it?! It happened again with another daughter! SAME thing! We didn't see that one either! And neither of these was over the internet and we are savvy parents!

When these guys want to deceive, they practice until they get it right. Sometimes they get caught in between and serve jail time, like this Burgess guy (who IMO knows where Donna is!), but that's why later on they 'leave no witnesses.'

You'll have to excuse me on this one, when it's a local case, I get really upset. Especially when it's a young, naive but smart girl who had everything going for her, everything to live for, and one of these pervs, imo, gets hold of them and {swish}, the victim is gone off the face of the earth. And the guy, who imo knows darn well where she is and can ease these grieving parents minds, sits in a cell across the country keeping his trap shut. He opened it to deceive, now he needs to act human for a change and TELL LE WHERE DONNA IS!!

fran

Oh yes FoolsGold.  Your posts are definitely "BLAME THE VICTIM CRAP!!! "  Donna may or may not have been too embarrased to call the cops, but that doesn't mean she caused her own demise.  It may not have been embarrassment. She may have been scared and sometimes people will call someone close to them to talk.  Maybe she didn't realize she was in as much danger as she really was in at the time.   Do you think if she had any idea at the time that it would be the end of her life, that she wouldn't have called the cops? Come on.  Think here a bit.  That Donna called a friend and not the police would be hindsight, and should not be a penalty against her.  Donna may have made some poor decisions, but none of them and I mean NONE of them should have caused her death.  Everyday people are in their homes, out on the street, in clubs and etc. and they come home safely.  There is also a group that does not, and they are preyed upon by murderers, rapists, thugs-you name it.  They could be wearing turtle neck sweaters, be in a church parking lot-and still become victims.  Read more about the missing and exploited "Fools" and you will see they didn't ask for what happened to them.  They are innocent people, (often children) going about their lives and are attacked.  My question is: Why are you being so hard on Donna Jou, who is not even here on earth anymore to defend herself from your mean attacks?  It's easy to sit at behind a computer and say those ugly things, blaming her.  Would you say them to her dying face?  Would you say them to her family? 

Good post there, Fran.  I messed up the post/quote. 

ITA Fran. I agree.
When this story first came out, I also wondered why this girl left on a motorcycle with a guy she didn't know. Especially a guy that she met online. I was under the impression she was looking for people to date online, and maybe had been manipulated into forgetting to be cautious. But I did not blame her. I just felt that she may have put herself into a vulnerable position by not knowing him, and that it may have been unwise. We all make mistakes on a daily basis, but that doesn't mean we deserve to die for them. All of us, when we were young, took chances and were lucky enough to survive them. This young woman was not as lucky. But the responsibility for her demise still rests on the person who killed her. He is to blame.
I do think she's gone, and I think this Burgess guy killed her.

Dear Monkeys,

I have heard from a very reliable source that Mr. Jou (pronounced Joe) will be on Geraldo tomorrow discussing the challenges of finding his daughter.

It seems he is the biological father of Donna and lives in Houston. The mom lives here in CA and a brother.

President Bush in a conference where Tim Miller was the main speaker said that children are 25 % of our population but 100 % of our future.

IMO, strickly, IMO I am encouraging Monkeys to watch tomorrow and then see if there is any way we can help get the young lady found.

IBE........Thank you for letting us know about Mr. Jou's upcoming appearance. I missed him when he was on Dana's show. :sad: I'll be sure to watch tonite.

fran

http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=70920fa216a1a1bc&

Missing teen’s dad turns to Nick Lampson

By Chris Paschenko
The Daily News   

Published August 4, 2007

NASSAU BAY — The father of a local teen missing for more than a month said he’s asked for help from a U.S. congressman who is an advocate of missing and exploited children.

Reza Jou’s daughter Donna, 19, a 2006 graduate of Clear Lake High School, was last seen June 23 with John Steven Burgess, a convicted sex offender from California.

Jou said his daughter met Burgess online and would have never become involved with a man with a criminal record.

“She definitely didn’t know his background,” Jou said. “She’s an extremely smart person but very naive.”

Jou believes Donna, a student at San Diego State University, is still alive, and he’s spoken with Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Stafford, who has agreed to assist the family.

“He’s contacted authorities in California who have agreed to let Texas Equusearch start a ground search next week,” Jou said.

“After talking with California authorities in the past, they would not agree, but now that Nick has asked, they couldn’t tell him no.”

Jou said it’s possible Donna has been enslaved.

<<snip>>more of article at the link

I just received this from the family

Dana,
 
 Thank you for all the help with the search for Donna. The interview was wonderful! We have put together a web site for Donna www.donnajou.com and are asking the public if they have seen or heard anything regarding Donna to please contact the police department or leave a comment on the Donna Jou website. If there is anyway we could list her web site on scared monkeys this would be helpful.
 We had received "bad news to us" Friday that the police said "absolutely no" to allowing Texas Equu Search in at this time for a search for Donna. Nick Lampson has contacted Reza and is trying to resolve the issue. If there is anyway to help keep the story alive "so the police know" we as Donna's family will not stop looking for her. We know that the police are doing their job but we also know that Texas Equu Search could be a huge help to finding Donna. Once again Thank you for all that you do.
Reza will also be on live tonight on FoxNews with Geraldo. We hope to keep the public alerted of the dangers of the internet and the dangers of allowing Sex Offenders to register on their own free will.??!!!
This is the latest report regarding the search for Donna.
http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=70920fa216a1a1bc
 
This link is to a petition that the family has to bring John Steven Burgess to California and in hopes this will encourage police to step up the pace on searching as well.
http://www.gopetition.com/online/13624.html
 
I know you have a full load on your hands with all of life's troubles but I do thank you for your attention you brought to the public about the search for Donna.
 
 
Best Regards,
Michelle

I don't understand why the police in CA won't let Texas Equusearch do what they can to help find this girl. What is the hold-up? Is there a valid reason to deny permission?
God Bless this family. I will certainly watch Geraldo tonite.

IBE

I live in So. OC. If there's anything I can do, put up posters or anything, let me know.

I know a few other people from a different forum that live in this area as well that are following this case.

fran

fran,
please be sure to share any new info with us that you don't see here. 

Maybe if all of the people in the area start calling the mayor's office and complain LOUDLY there would be more cooperation?  Also, I am thinking, and maybe I am not correct, but LAPD is the issue... the OC seemed to be ok with it?

Not to worry mrs. red, will do!

I look for info first thing every day and throughout the day. There are so many places Donna could be, one wouldn't even know where to start looking.

Did you see the article I posted yesterday? Mr. Jou got a congressman to contact TES for help. According to that, TES is coming.

As an aside, my youngest daughter is moving to the same city Donna's mom lives on Tuesday, Rancho Santa Margarita.  She's going to be in a huge apt complex. I'll try not to worry about her as she'll have a roommate and she's street smart. But, she does meet people from the internet, but they're people in a networking site for make-up and it's always in a public place, LOL, like the mall and she's joined at the hip to her bf. Anyone try to harm her has to get past him! :D

fran

Fran, you can certainly "invite" really good posters to hang with us too...just email red or klaas to give them a heads up...

I could have sworn I just missed the end of Geraldo talking about this saying that the LE wasn't allowing TES to search... and that they were going to keep covering the case.  I have heard that the family is going to be on Nancy Grace.... but I don't know when exactly....

Well, I don't understand what's going on then, because according to this it says:The father of a local teen missing for more than a month said he’s asked for help from a U.S. congressman  who is an advocate of missing and exploited children.
and
“He’s contacted authorities in California who have agreed to let Texas Equusearch start a ground search next week,” Jou said.

http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=70920fa216a1a1bc&


This article is dated Aug 4, 2007.

fran

Fran,
I am sure that you are more right than me... I was just hearing and not clearly at that the Geraldo thing... which could be old news due to taping...

"We had received "bad news to us" Friday that the police said "absolutely no" to allowing Texas Equu Search at the moment" from the post Dana made from Michelle, whom I am taking for granted is the mother.

There is becoming a big confusion the media is doing and I think this also goes back to the family..... from my understanding the father lives in Houston and ask TES.

The LAPD has said absolutely no. I think, she went missing in West LA just over the Culver City boarder. This would be LAPD jurisdiction as far as where the supposed suspect lives.

Orange County is where the mom and the daughter lives. IMO LAPD is putting pressure on Orange County to also say no... OC could say no, if they think she didn't go missing there.

I want to know where the last message from her cell phone came. If it came from Orange County, then the search would be there.

IMO the last place was West LA. IMO

Funny thing, if they think she is along the RR tracks... that property is owned by CALTRANS :-x

Anyone know why this missing person hasn't received more publicity?

IBE  I don't know why Donna Jou hasn't received more publicity.  There are so many missing people, murdered people.  It makes the news, then not much news unless there is a new development.  I think it's a real challenge for friends and family to keep the case out there in the public eye.  I've seen where some do fundraising to try to rent billboards, make flyers to hand out and etc.  I try to go back in the missing and exploited section and check on some of the cases, and before long, I can't find any trace of them.  No news.  It just drops off.  Very sad. I think Red had a valid point when he spoke on Dana's show earlier this week about using the internet more to help find people, instead of depending on tv.  These cases are tv news for a few days, then it's onto the next thing.  Like Paris Hilton.  And some things Paris Hilton get more coverage than the missing and exploited.  No, I don't really know why this missing person hasn't received more publicity, I'm sad to say. :sad:  Donna Jou deserves justice.

Here are some photos that IBE took along with her explanation for them.  Right now they aren't necessarily in order - I'll fix that later.  I'll also be posting some maps of the area IBE sent me with locations marked.  I did want to get these photos posted so you can get an idea of the area:

1.  This is the area just coming out of the little 1/2 block street at the north end of Faris. All along here, some of the aerial photos show big areas like the with cars stored in them

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/closerrcoveredcopy.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/atendcopy.jpg)

2.  I have turned into the area...east of his house, behind the fenced/covered area. I'll have a better view soon

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/startingdowncopy.jpg)

3.  This is at the end where it is gated at Venice Blvd. Used to be an area you could drive into from venice. I have now turned around and am heading back to the dirt part and entrance into it

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/turnaroundbackcopy.jpg)

4.  This was taken as you first drive in somewhere down the "road" The gate is open to the freeway, The freeway is behind the pink bougainvilla. Notice a path leads left and right. Used to film in this area and down to where the gate was on Venice. it sure has chenged in 30 yrs.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/gateopencopy.jpg)

5.  In this picture is where you drive into the area on the left, shows the fenced/covered area, there's another fence, a camper compound and maybe trailer there. His house would be up the picture past the grey building about a block or so to a little past the beginning of the fence/covered area.

Some of the goggle area maps show a second fenced/in covered area and a road under the freeway. both are no longer there.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/justbeforeoutcopy.jpg)

6.  I have just come out of the area onto Exposition street going west. The camper compound is on the right just next to the end of the covered place... the suspect's house would be about a 1/2 block more past the second white car.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/out_backcopy.jpg)

7.  Am heading back west on Exposition, at the east end of the fence/covered area. I guess there is space between the camper compound and the east end of the fence/covered area. This may be the area where the street used to run between the two fenced/covered areas shown in google aerial old map


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/eastendofccopy.jpg)

8.  OK.. the gated area that I went to the end of, ends at Venice and the RR crosses it (no tracks). Now I am into the triangle area that is all vacant, boarded up that runs along the RR to the right. This is the first lot on the east and is behind a motel on  National.

There's a hut on it too. This is a street almost no one uses at night!!!! for most of it is vacant and boarded up for Culver City bought the land or the light rail line people did. Thought this would be the light rail RR tracks (to the right of my car) and a station. They ran out of money so the light rail (if ever done) will be about 4 blocks south of here where the tracks are still there. A real mess.

This is one of my "favorite" places if I were to hid a body.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/thelotonFstreet.jpg)

9. At the triangle corner there is a some type of shop that has motorcycles, and scooters, so he had a mc so he could have known of this street. I drove around 4 times and still could not figure out what this place of "business" was. Funny looking characters there.

This I think, is the lot just behind that  place as I turn on the street

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/justrtonFstreet.jpg)

10.  This is kitty corner across from the vacant lot and next to the two cars I just sent you

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/moreonFstreet.jpg)

11.  This is still on the right of the street.. the RR would be at the end of the building

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/vlotrtFstreet.jpg)

12. You can see how vacant this whole street is. This is on the right. I think the building is sitting on where the RR tracks used to be

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/FstreetrtRRnorth.jpg)

13.  This is on the same street and on the right. The RR runs through this building

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/bougainvillaonFstreet.jpg)

14.  Across from this intersection is where the little park is for the "Keystone Cops" or something like that, and to the right across the street on Washington starts all the vacant lots, buildings that Culver City bought to "redevelop: by the light rail.

The real tracks are about 2 blocks south along National Blvd and that is where the train station is supposed to be now. It's a big mess. Dumb dumb. Don't know why we need a light rail to and from the Inner City. It's supposed to go to Santa Monica along the tracks by the suspect's house and into the gorge

IMO the suspect knew of this street because of the motorcycle whatever at the beginning of it. No one goes down it.. they take National, Venice and Washington the are fast and run around it.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/fRR.jpg)

15.  this is a closer view of the vacant area within a mile of his home and along the same street just a  1/2 block of his home.. if the streets were still there along the RR like a long time ago

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/windowsoutspooky.jpg)

16.  Ok I have pictures of the area of the first vacant car place.. lot and building

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/mazda.jpg)

17.  This is on Jefferson... taken before I ever knew we would go to the park.

If you continue on the hill of oil fields.wells you see, on the other side is La Cienega Blvd and the next hill east would be the Park.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/nextlotjefftooilfields.jpg)

18.  This again is on Jefferson. It goes back into the oil fields in Culver City.. again over that big hill ++ a hill or two is La Cienega

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/jeffersontooilfields.jpg)

19.  This one is real spooky. I just kept driving down all the cul-de-sacs that were there in the middle of the car dealerships and behind them. This is sort of in the middle behind them. This would be looking toward National about a block behind the intersection where the vacant lots and buildings start. Notice this building has no windows. I didn't spend a long time there for it felt like a gang area.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/behindcardealers.jpg)

Here are some maps.  I haven't had time to label them all yet but thought I'd post them anyway so you can get an idea of the area:

Green arrow marks the suspects home at 3617 Faris Drive:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/3617Faris.jpg)

Here is a closer view of the home:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/Feris5.jpg)

Satelite view of the area:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/Faris1.jpg)

IBe.. thank you for all your help and concern.  This is amazing and gives us a great idea of what Donna's family is up against. Lots of areas to hide her... very sad.

God bless you for trying to help.

Wonderful work, IBE...thank you so much....very detailed info.

IBE ~ You're doing an incredible job......thank you for taking this upon yourself.......you are so dedicated.  :smt058 :smt041

Thank you, but I am not sure if it's "dedication", probably, but I am extremely frustrated and angry that TES can't come in and there isn't more publicity about Donna Jou.

as Tim Miller said to me:
The worse thing is having your child murdered; then the next are not knowing where she is and no one cares.

Sometimes, I just get off the turnip truck.. they have Internet access in jails.

IBE I completely agree with your frustration as far as some of these cases not getting enough attention.  I often wonder if it really does have to do with monies or if there is just something really wrong with some of the local law enforcement.  I hate to see these families hurting and like Tim Miller said, ".....nobody caring." 

They need and deserve answers and/or closure as well.

Thank you klaasend and Thank you IBE for your concern and posting the pictures.

Welcome lindam!  Glad to see you made it in and figured out how to post!  IBE is online right now, I'll send her over here.

Hi Sleeks and Lindam,

Welcome. We are a great Monkey Family.

We all want our loved ones in our extended family to be found alive and if necesssary Justice for them..

Will try to post lots of things later today (it's 1 AM)

Love,  IBE

Sorry, forgot to use our new spell check :lol:

Hi...I have been following this thread...IBE those are great pictures...do be careful...area does not look too good...seems police would welcome TES.  Thanks...!

ITA!

It is completely crazy that LAPD won't allow TES in to search, but they have a long history that isn't too savory. i am sure there are members on the force that are above board, but geeze!

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=15&w=240&h=180&i=/assetpool/images/07726162034_Burgess_John.jpg)

Person of Interest in Missing Student Case To Appear in Court

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The man who may hold the key to the disappearance of a college student is scheduled to be in court today in Jacksonville. John Burgess was arrested in Jacksonville last month on a drug charge when investigators ran his name they realized police in California wanted to talk to him.

He was the last person to see Donna Jou alive. Jou's mother told police the two met online. She disappeared in June and has not been seen since. burgess is expected to be extradited to california to face new charges.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=89060

Well hallelujah!  This guy is to be extradited to California.  Good.  Then Donna's family and friends can attend the court sessions more easily and there can be justice for Donna.

John Steven Burgess still has a court date in Florida for September 7, 2007.

09/07/2007 01:00 PM , PRE-TRIAL DETENTION, JBP

http://www.jaxsheriff.com/inmatesearch/(qvauff55jwaqzv551ycqmn55)/IISInmateDetails.aspx

The extridition of JSB is taking too long. When he does arrive in California there will be a family and friend "prayer march/protest". We will post details of location as soon as we find out the date JSB will be arriving.


Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Trouble from start in Florida
Behavior of man linked to missing woman disturbed his innkeeper.
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

It was a Friday – the 13th to be exact – when John Steven Burgess arrived in St. Augustine, Fla., last month, dropped off by his mother on the doorstep of Heather Harley-Davidson's posh waterfront inn.

His ex-girlfriend was stalking him, and he needed a place to hide out for a while, Patricia Berdet had explained to the innkeeper, who also happened to be her soon-to-be sister-in-law. In exchange, Steven – that's what she called him - would help out around the inn, promised Berdet. They were just like family.

But Berdet left out the part that Burgess was a convicted child molester and that he was running from the Los Angeles Police Department, wanted for questioning in the disappearance of Donna Jou, a 19-year-old Rancho Santa Margarita college student he met on the Internet bulletin board Craigslist.org.

Burgess lasted at the inn about a week, shown the door after Harley-Davidson said he tried to get her 18-year-old son to score him some drugs.

Days later, it was investigators from the Los Angeles Police Department who showed up Harley-Davidson's doorstep. Burgess had been arrested, accused of dropping a bag of crack in front of a Jacksonville, Fla., Motel 6. Burgess had programmed Harley-Davidson's 18-year-old son into his cell phone. Investigators had some questions for the innkeeper – and her staff.

"If she would have told me that he was a sex offender and what he was really doing here, I could have made that decision on my own," Harley-Davidson said. "And I would have never let him stay."

Burgess, who pleaded guilty to a third-degree felony charge for possession of crack and was sentenced to time served, waived extradition to California last week, said George Bird Jr., Burgess' attorney.

"He's just waiting for the police from Los Angeles to come pick him up," Bird said.

Burgess, wanted on a $1 million warrant for failing to register as a sex offender, has not been charged in Jou's disappearance. He has refused to talk to investigators about Jou – or anything else.

"Unfortunately, he holds all of the cards in his hands at this point," said Dan Salcedo, the Orange County Sheriff's Department's lead investigator in the case.

Nearly two months have passed since Jou disappeared on the back of Burgess' motorcycle, heading to a party at his rented Los Angeles house. He skipped town a week and a half later, heading to Florida as a person of interest in her disappearance.

To her family, every second that passes without her feels like a hundred, weighing them down with worry. Her father spends his days making television appearances and calling reporters, desperately trying to keep the search for Donna in the headlines.

"I'm ready to give everything I have," Reza Jou said. "My car, my house, everything I have. I just want my daughter back."

"It's just so depressing to have your child gone," he said.

In interviews with detectives, Harley-Davidson, who added the Harley to her name after a divorce, said she detailed what she called a week of bizarre behavior by Burgess, who had taken up residence in the third floor of her Channel Marker 71 Barrier Island Inn. The man who branded everything from his blue Ford pickup truck to his band with his nickname Sinjin now insisted on being called Sebastian, bristling at his given name.

He reduced an expensive down pillow to feathers, hacking it to shreds with a knife, Harley-Davidson said, and when a thunderstorm knocked out the inn's electricity and cable, "he freaked," and ripped the television out of the wall.

"He kept saying 'I'm a news buff. I have to watch the news,' " Harley-Davidson said. "Well, I have to turn on CNN when we have a hurricane coming, but that's about it."

Filling in sat Harley-Davidson's crab shack, he spun tales of an exciting life as a Los Angeles filmmaker, bragging of deals he had in the works – any of which could take him away at a moment's notice.

"He'd always say, 'You never know, I could be gone tomorrow,' " Harley-Davidson said. " 'You just never know.' "

http://www.ocregister.com/news/harley-davidson-burgess-1810750-jou-inn

This guy is really creepy. :shock:

OCRegister

Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Trouble from start in Florida
Behavior of man linked to missing woman disturbed his innkeeper.
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

It was a Friday – the 13th to be exact – when John Steven Burgess arrived in St. Augustine, Fla., last month, dropped off by his mother on the doorstep of Heather Harley-Davidson's posh waterfront inn.

His ex-girlfriend was stalking him, and he needed a place to hide out for a while, Patricia Berdet had explained to the innkeeper, who also happened to be her soon-to-be sister-in-law. In exchange, Steven – that's what she called him - would help out around the inn, promised Berdet. They were just like family.

But Berdet left out the part that Burgess was a convicted child molester and that he was running from the Los Angeles Police Department, wanted for questioning in the disappearance of Donna Jou, a 19-year-old Rancho Santa Margarita college student he met on the Internet bulletin board Craigslist.org.

Burgess lasted at the inn about a week, shown the door after Harley-Davidson said he tried to get her 18-year-old son to score him some drugs.

Days later, it was investigators from the Los Angeles Police Department who showed up Harley-Davidson's doorstep. Burgess had been arrested, accused of dropping a bag of crack in front of a Jacksonville, Fla., Motel 6. Burgess had programmed Harley-Davidson's 18-year-old son into his cell phone. Investigators had some questions for the innkeeper – and her staff.

"If she would have told me that he was a sex offender and what he was really doing here, I could have made that decision on my own," Harley-Davidson said. "And I would have never let him stay."

Burgess, who pleaded guilty to a third-degree felony charge for possession of crack and was sentenced to time served, waived extradition to California last week, said George Bird Jr., Burgess' attorney.

"He's just waiting for the police from Los Angeles to come pick him up," Bird said.

Burgess, wanted on a $1 million warrant for failing to register as a sex offender, has not been charged in Jou's disappearance. He has refused to talk to investigators about Jou – or anything else.

"Unfortunately, he holds all of the cards in his hands at this point," said Dan Salcedo, the Orange County Sheriff's Department's lead investigator in the case.

Nearly two months have passed since Jou disappeared on the back of Burgess' motorcycle, heading to a party at his rented Los Angeles house. He skipped town a week and a half later, heading to Florida as a person of interest in her disappearance.

To her family, every second that passes without her feels like a hundred, weighing them down with worry. Her father spends his days making television appearances and calling reporters, desperately trying to keep the search for Donna in the headlines.

"I'm ready to give everything I have," Reza Jou said. "My car, my house, everything I have. I just want my daughter back."

"It's just so depressing to have your child gone," he said.

In interviews with detectives, Harley-Davidson, who added the Harley to her name after a divorce, said she detailed what she called a week of bizarre behavior by Burgess, who had taken up residence in the third floor of her Channel Marker 71 Barrier Island Inn. The man who branded everything from his blue Ford pickup truck to his band with his nickname Sinjin now insisted on being called Sebastian, bristling at his given name.

He reduced an expensive down pillow to feathers, hacking it to shreds with a knife, Harley-Davidson said, and when a thunderstorm knocked out the inn's electricity and cable, "he freaked," and ripped the television out of the wall.

"He kept saying 'I'm a news buff. I have to watch the news,' " Harley-Davidson said. "Well, I have to turn on CNN when we have a hurricane coming, but that's about it."

Filling in sat Harley-Davidson's crab shack, he spun tales of an exciting life as a Los Angeles filmmaker, bragging of deals he had in the works – any of which could take him away at a moment's notice.

"He'd always say, 'You never know, I could be gone tomorrow,' " Harley-Davidson said. " 'You just never know.' "

Contact the writer: 714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com

http://sinjin453.vox.com/library/photo/6a00cd973a0eb74cd500d414419cb0685e.html (http://sinjin453.vox.com/library/photo/6a00cd973a0eb74cd500d414419cb0685e.html)

Sinjin's blog
June 26,2007 at 1:47 PM

creepy picture of something wrapped or ???????

I found this link in the Donna Jou blog on Court TV

Friday, July 6, 2007
Search for Rancho Santa Margarita woman narrows
Police now seek 1 'person of interest,' John Steven Burgess, registered sex offender, in disappearance of Donna Jou.
By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ and RYAN HAMMILL
The Orange County Register

RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA – Sheriff's investigators have narrowed their search to one man, a registered sex offender, as a person of interest in the disappearance of a Rancho Santa Margarita woman reported missing two weeks ago.

Investigators, previously searching for two men, now have focused their attention on John Steven Burgess, a Los Angeles man they believe picked up 19-year-old Donna Jou from her home June 23, the last night her friends and family saw her, sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said.

Police believe Burgess, also known under the assumed name Sinjin Stevens, used fake photos while contacting Jou on the Web site craigslist.org before they met and headed to a house party that evening.

"At this point, after two weeks missing, there's the possibility that she's a victim of foul play," Amormino said. "It's believed he used false pictures over the Internet to disguise himself and cover his history as a sex offender."

Police are also searching for the man seen in the Internet photos, as investigators look for ties to trace back to Jou's disappearance.

Hours after Jou left home, she talked to a friend over the phone for about 20 minutes and told him she had locked herself in a bathroom because the guy she was with was "freaking her out," Jou's parents said.

Friends and family said they haven't heard from the San Diego State University physics student since then, and authorities are asking for the public's help to find her.

Donna Jou told her mother the man who was picking her up June 23 was her friend's boyfriend.

Investigators downloaded his picture from Jou's computer, Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said. He is known as "Skinny Puppy" or "Kyle."

Burgess was renting a West Los Angeles-area house where Jou was last seen June 23 or 24. He drives a 1998 Ford compact truck with the license plate "Sinjin1," Amormino said.

Friends and family have tried to contact Donna on her cell phone since she went missing June 23, but attempts to reach her go straight to her voicemail.

"I don't know where to go, what to do, and we know something bad happened," said Reza Jou, Donna's father.

Donna, who was staying at her mother's home in Rancho Santa Margarita during the summer, was headed to a house party in Santa Monica and mentioned the name Kyle to her mother before leaving the house.

When Donna climbed onto the back of the motorcycle at 5:30 p.m., Nili Jou saw undistinguishable tattoos on the man's left shoulder, and described him as wearing a white sleeveless shirt, blue jeans and a black motorcycle helmet.

Donna's parents say her daughter talked to a friend from San Diego for about 20 minutes later that day, telling him that her friend didn't show up to the party and that she was locked inside a bathroom because the guy she was with was "freaking her out" and he "wouldn't get the hint," they said.

"She said the guy was acting weird and she was trying to avoid him," Reza Jou said. "I think this is the guy they have to look for."

On June 24, Nili Jou received a text message from Donna's phone saying her cell phone battery was dying and that she would be home later that day.

Now she wonders if it was her daughter who sent the message.

At first her parents thought she might have spent the night at a friend's house, but she never came back home.

Donna, who aspires to be to a neurologist, didn't show up for her summer class at Santiago Canyon College in Orange the following Monday, either, Nili Jou said.

The sheriff's office can be reached at 714-647-7049.

Staff writer Kimberly Edds contributed to this report.

Contact the writer: shernandez@ocregister.com or 949-454-7361

Friday, August 3, 2007
Laptop clue to missing woman?
Police to search computer from motel room of molester wanted for questioning
in disappearance of Donna Jou, 19.
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

A laptop found in the Jacksonville, Fla., motel room of a convicted child
molester wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a 19-year-old Rancho
Santa Margarita student will be examined for information that may help lead
to the missing woman, authorities said Wednesday.

John Steven Burgess, 35, who calls himself Sinjin Stevens, disappeared from
Los Angeles on July 5, the day he was named a person of interest in the case.
He put the truck's SINJIN1 vanity plates in its toolbox and ditched them, along
with a motorcycle helmet, dishwashing gloves, some rope and a scrub brush, in
bougainvillea vines near the railroad tracks a mile and a half from the home
he rented.

LAPD investigators have scoured the area around the railroad tracks as well
as the wilderness trails at Malibu State Park, which Burgess loved.[/b] But there still has been no sign of 19-year-old Donna Jou since June 23, when her
mother and brother watched her hop on the back of Burgess' motorcycle
outside their Rancho Santa Margarita apartment and drive away. Jou told her
mother a friend's boyfriend was picking her up – not a stranger she met
through the Internet bulletin board craigslist.org.

Burgess' pickup, a 1998 blue Ford Ranger, turned up in a Jacksonville
neighborhood last Friday – a man who saw news coverage of Jou's
disappearance turned it in. Authorities are waiting for a judge to sign off on a
search warrant so they can look inside, said Dan Salcedo, the Orange County
Sheriff's Department lead investigator on the case.

Burgess also has a sailboat called Sinjin's Sanctuary, which he kept at San
Pedro Harbor and rented to another registered sex offender. Investigators
have talked to the man, and harbor officials confirmed the 1963 Challenger
has not left its slip, Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said.

His motorcycle – the one he used to pick up Jou – is still missing.

Burgess sits in a Jacksonville jail, refusing to talk about Jou after being
arrested last week on suspicion of cocaine possession. He's being held on a $1
million California warrant for failing to register as a sex offender and a $5,000
bond on the drug charge. It could be weeks before he is extradited to
California to face charges on the warrant. He has not been named a suspect in
Jou's disappearance. Because he has already refused to talk, investigators
cannot continue to question Burgess about Jou.

Sheriff's Department and LAPD investigators searched the three-bedroom Los
Angeles home Burgess rented and sublet. Burgess had packed the tiny 1920s
house with students from Russia, Poland and Bulgaria, who answered his ads
he posted on craigslist.org. Burgess charged them hundreds of dollars a month
for little more than a mattress on the floor. There was even someone staying
in the kitchen where a dining table should have been. Dingy patterned sheets
separated rooms. There was little furniture. Everyone lived out of suitcases.
The house was “420-friendly” – it didn't object to marijuana – and they had get-
togethers every other Saturday in the big backyard, Burgess promised in his
online ads.

On the road, Burgess sent an e-mail to the Orange County Sheriff's
Department, trying to explain his thoughts and feelings about what had
happened to Donna Jou, said Burgess' mother, Patricia Berdet. The
department had received an e-mail from someone claiming to be Burgess,
Salcedo said, but investigators have not been able to confirm it was sent by
Burgess – and he's not talking.

Berdet told the Register in an interview last week that her son was running
because he hadn't kept up on his sex offender registration as he was required
to do after a 2003 conviction for a lewd and lascivious act on a 14-year-old girl.
She denied he had anything to do with Jou's disappearance.

“There were other people at that party,” Berdet said. “Not just my son.”

Contact the writer: 714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com

Saturday, July 14, 2007
Sheriff gets e-mail from man claiming to be Sinjin Stevens
Message expresses thoughts and feelings about what happened to missing student; detectives try to verify author
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA An e-mail sent last week to the Orange County Sheriff's Department by a man claiming to be John Steven Burgess, the convicted sex offender wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a 19-year-old honors college student he met on the Internet, has investigators scrambling to verify the author's identity – and the computer that sent the message.

Investigators would not disclose the exact contents of the email, but lead detective Dan Salcedo characterized the message as "an attempt to express his thoughts and feelings about what may have happened to Donna Jou." The San Diego State student disappeared June 23 after Burgess – who goes by the name Sinjin Stevens - picked her up on his motorcycle at her mother's Rancho Santa Margarita apartment and took Jou to his Los Angeles house for a party. She has not spoken to her family and friends and there has been no activity on her credit cards.

The e-mail may have been a hoax – or a way for Burgess to try to explain to detectives what happened, Salcedo said. Finding where it was sent from could be nearly impossible, he said, but detectives are doing everything they can to find the missing girl.

The suspicious circumstances that led to Jou's disappearance more than three weeks ago, Burgess' status as a sex offender and his hasty departure from his rented Los Angeles home July 5, the same day he was named as a person of interest, have Sheriff officials concerned.

"None of these things make us very happy," Sheriff Mike Carona said. "But there is nothing at this time to indicate that we can not bring Donna Jou back safely to her family."

Leads that were pouring in by the dozens in the days after the investigation began have dwindled to one or two a day. Sheriff's officials are pleading with the public to report any sightings of Burgess or his 1998 blue Ford pickup.

Burgess never told Los Angeles police he had moved into a rented house near the I-10 and 405 freeways, and again failed to update his registration within five days of his June 28 birthday as required by law. A warrant has been issued for his arrest for failing to register.

Contact the writer: 714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com

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Burgess, who fronts a rock band called Sinjin's Saints, was convicted of lewd acts with a child and sending harmful material to a minor over ...
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(From IBE, I couldn't get this link to work, but the info is interesting)

News Channel 8SAN DIEGO, CA
KFMB STATIONS: News 8 | 100.7 JACK FM | 760 KFMB

Web Postings Offer Clues Into Donna Jou's Disappearance

Last Updated:
07-10-07 at 7:12AM

There are new clues in the disappearance of a 19-year old San Diego State co-ed. Orange County detectives have found a motorcycle helmet and a license plate belonging to a convicted sex offender wanted for questioning in the case. The News 8 Crimefighters have also uncovered internet messages posted by the fugitive police are looking for.

News 8 found MySpace pages that trace back to a man using the fake name Sinjin Stevens. His real name is John Steven Burgess, a convicted sex offender from Los Angeles who plays guitar in a band called Sinjin's Saints.

Burgess drives a blue pickup truck, rides a Yamaha motorcycle and has a 25-foot sailboat docked at the San Pedro Marina. He also claims to be a Desert Storm Army veteran.

Police want to question Burgess in the June 23 disappearance of 19-year old San Diego State student Donna Jou.

Jou was last seen riding away with Burgess on his motorcycle in front of her mother's home in Orange County.

"He's been seen since then by other people in the community, but no one's see my sister since that night," Donna's sister Lisa Jou said.

One MySpace photo shows Burgess leaning against his blue Ford Ranger pickup truck that has a personalized license plate that reads SINJIN-1.

The web site also shows burgess with a young girl who he identifies as his daughter.

He says he likes music, alcohol, "420" -- which refers to marijuana -- and other goodies. He calls himself a handsome gentleman who's into lovely ladies. On the MySpace page for his band, Burgess refers to himself as "Satan's nephew Sinjin".

Police confirm Burgess left several phone messages for Jou right before she went missing.
"I don't know what he could have told her," Lisa Jou said. "I don't know what he was selling when he was talking to her. We don't have access to those conversations."

Burgess may have hooked up with Jou through the website Craigslist. He recently posted an advertisement for a roommate on the site offering a furnished room for rent for $599 per month.

The ad says his roommates have "fun get-togethers every other Saturday night" at his Los Angeles home, and shows photographs of the front and inside of the house, where Jou was last seen.

"We are '420 friendly'" the ad goes on, located in "a nice, quiet and safe area."

Jou was staying in Orange County over summer break from San Diego State, and she may have been looking for friends.

"Welcome all newcomers to L.A." was the message Burgess posted online.

Police are still searching for John Burgess and his blue Ford pickup truck. The truck's license plate and a motorcycle helmet were found yesterday dumped about a mile and a half from Burgess's Los Angeles home.

interesting post from KindraLore on the Court TV blog


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    quote:On Sunday, a black plastic tool box similar to one on the back of a Ford Ranger pickup truck owned by John Steven Burgess, a convicted sex offender who also goes by the name of Sinjin Stevens, was found about a mile and a half from the house, according to NBC 7/39's sister station KNBC.

    Inside the box was a license plate with the letters SINJIN 1, a motorcycle helmet and other items investigators are not identifying.



    quote:On the night of the party, one of Jou's friends in San Diego received a text message from her, saying she had locked herself in a bathroom because things were out of control and a guy was giving her the creeps, Amormino said.



http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13650895/detail.html

I did some searching on the internet last night, and this guy was constantly putting up ads for a roommate. One of them even offered free room and board "to a chick" for doing light household chores. I also noticed that he may or may not have a sailboat. (Either he lies and says he does or he really does). If he does, I wonder if this boat has been located.

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I don't think I am supposed to post things from another blog, so go to Court TV Donna Jou blog and you will find it very interesting... even "tells someone posted on Scared Monkeys areas around his house" and someone isn't allowed here

but here's the last post I'll post from there

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Burgess was convicted of three counts of battery in 2002 and of performing a lewd act against a child the following year.

I really hope he didn't kill her

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Sex offender slipped through cracks;
Officials responsible for monitoring John Steven Burgess unflagged his status, documents allege.
By KIMBERLY EDDS; The Orange County Register

While the convicted sex offender wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student was creating an image of a loving father, devoted son and decorated Desert Storm veteran to meet women over the Internet, his status as a sex offender went unmonitored for months after he told authorities he was moving out of the state and no longer needed to be in the state's sex offender registry.

Officials responsible for keeping tabs on sex registrants unflagged the status of John Steven Burgess and never verified his residence as required by law, even though he continued to live in the state for at least seven more months, according to interviews and court documents.

Dozens of Donna Jou's relatives and friends, worn down by worry, gathered outside Rancho Santa Margarita City Hall on Friday night for a candlelight vigil, some holding photos of a wanted man and the missing girl as they whispered in Farsi that it wouldn't be long before Jou comes home. A $15,000 reward was being offered for information leading to Burgess, who whisked away the honor student he met online from her Rancho Santa Margarita apartment on his motorcycle June 23.

"Someone should have been watching him," said Jou's father, Reza. "If there were, Donna would be here with us."

In 2003, Burgess was convicted of sexually assaulting a girl under the age of 14. He was sentenced to 146 days in jail and three years' probation, and was required to register as a sex offender. He did -- for a while. And when he stopped, no one checked up on why -- or where he was. And he put up ads on Craigslist.org offering a "kewl girl" free rent in exchange for a few household chores.

State law requires sex offenders to register with local police departments every year, within five days of their birthday and within five days of moving.

The burden to register falls on the sex offender, and with so many living in Los Angeles, offenders can take advantage of loopholes to fly under the radar, said Anita Vigil, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County Probation Department.

The Los Angeles Police Department, which is responsible for registering sex offenders living in the city, did not immediately return calls regarding the specifics of Burgess' case.

A murky picture of Burgess, who also called himself Sinjin Stevens, has begun to emerge through dozens of interviews with friends, law enforcement officials and romantic interests.

"You either loved him or you hated him," said Detective Dan Saucedo, the Orange County Sheriff's Department lead investigator on the Jou case. "He definitely has the gift of gab."

Burgess grew up in Jacksonville, Fla. He joined the Army -- and went to Iraq in Operation Desert Storm in 1991.

He headed to California with dreams of making movies. He met a girl. They had a baby -- a daughter -- but the relationship didn't work out. He got a dog -- an Irish setter named Redford.

There was no mention of his three battery convictions in 2002, a 2005 arrest after police say he beat up his ex-girlfriend -- or that he was charged with trying to force a teenage girl to be a prostitute.

Conversations Baylor Smith had with Sinjin Stevens, who listed his occupation on MySpace.com "I deal in human fulfillment," persuaded her to hop on his motorcycle in Jacksonville last summer.

He told her he made movies. She told him she had thought about being an actress. She could do it, he said -- and then he offered to put her up in his house.

"He seemed really nice and he was cool to talk to, but he wasn't my type," Smith said. "It's just creepy -- because that could have been me."

Burgess roared into an L.A. neighborhood in a blue pickup in November with license plates that read SINJIN 1. He noticed the house -- and the for-rent sign. He struck a deal with landlady Concepcion Mora and put his money down.

He moved in two days after Thanksgiving. The musician -- and the nine people who crammed inside the house -- never quite fit in, said neighbor Ron Schultz.

Schultz said Burgess was in a hurry when he packed his pickup with cardboard boxes July 5 and left the house -- and Redford -- behind. Burgess made the rounds, collecting thousands of dollars in rent, ignored calls from the landlady -- and hit the road.

Three days later, his toolbox with the SINJIN license plates, a motorcycle helmet, rubber dishwashing gloves, rope and a scrubbing brush were found dumped under Bougainvillea vines a mile and a half from his house. Redford was set free by Burgess' former housemates.

His Craigslist.org ads promised a spacious three-bedroom home with a smoothie maker -- but a visit to the house revealed that for a few hundred dollars a month, Burgess provided little more than a dingy mattress on a sticky floor.

The bathroom sink had to be turned on with pliers. Two Russian girls shared a room. Everyone lived out of suitcases.

On June 23, Burgess took Jou to the house -- and showed off his pride and joy: the back yard with a mishmash of battered couches, a hookah pipe and weights littering the table. It was here that Burgess invited strangers he met on the Internet to stop over some Saturday night -- play poker, a game of Scrabble or just have a drink. If you wanted to smoke, you had to take it outside, he said, but the house was "420 friendly," referring to the police code for marijuana. Jou seemed happy, partygoers told investigators. But then she disappeared. And a few days later -- so did Burgess.

News researcher Michael Doss contributed to this report.

714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com
July 21, 2007

IMO there is a mistake in the above article... She went to the party in June. He left, from I can gather, July 5th about 13 days after.

John Steven Burgess was Extradited (today) August 17, 2007 to LA. He was booked in at 5:27 p.m. His bail is still posted for $1,000,000.00
We will post more details regarding the prayer vigil that will be held by family and friends outside Sheriffs Office/ City Hall.

Is he with LAPD or OC sheriff's????

Those of us that can't make it, will be there in Spirit and Prayers. Thanks Lindam. Will do what you asked soon.

So glad he's in LA now!  Yes, please let us know about the vigil. 

I hope LE can persuade him to tell them where Donna is.....

If the text message to her mother stated she was in San Diego, then why haven't the police searched in S.D.?

The cell phone can be easily traced to a location.

The police have zeroed in on this Burgess guy, but the other guy was the one that picked her up on the motorcycle that people identified. I'm thinking he picked her up, but the Burgess guy was the one last seen with her taking her allegedly home. I hope TES gets the cell phone information and tracks that because it seems to me and call it a gut feeling that she is not near that home, but another location. Much like the little girl kidnapped in San Diego by a neighbor and took her in his motor home was found around a completely different location then the desert where he went first. Gotta think like these criminals. They plan, then they assault the victim, something goes wrong, then they panic, get rid of evidence.

Kermit.. HI... really like your posts. I've been working on this stuff about 3 weeks now... There was someone named "puppy" or something like that, that they thought was a person of interest, but I read an article that his picture was used but LE ruled him out as a person of interest and zero'ed in on Burgess. But everything is confusing in this. What do you have???

Where did you find the article or ?? that says the other guy picked her up?
I had read or heard that the last cell phone call came from his home area (Palms ie: Westside area of LA, along, south the I 10 fwy, just about 3 blks north of Culver City but in LAPD jurisdiction, have you found out differently.. it would help to know all that can to bring this nice girl home.

One article said the LAPD searched the RR track area (didn't mention which part, by his home or by the tool box or ??? or the vacant land.buildings)

And said they had looked at wilderness trails in Malibu State Park... lots of luck there... I spent 4 yrs working there in the mid-to late 70's.. Huge area and some lakes. It's where they filmed Mash and the series with the good ole boys in the fast cars... Dodges, I think. Huge place. One of the mountains was used as the "volcano" in the series "Swiss Family Robinson"

There is a "wilderness" near his home, as much as can be said about trails that go in and out of plain view in LA and a lake about 3 miles east of his home; a worker hold me it can be accessed at night if you know the ins and outs.

Why did he live his tool box where he did when there is a closer area along the same RR tracks where it is lonelier, darker, without homes across the street and a chance of being seen by a early AM  or whenever car?

HERE'S WHAT IS SO diddly darn about this case... San Diego papers and Orange County papers cover it but very little in the area (LA Times and channels) where is supposedly disappeared

There's a time line and I am going to check a few pages back in the thread to see if its posted.

Kermit

I wondered about San Diego too. Think one article here said he had a band called "Sinjin's Saints" there.

Also did you see supposedly his web site with the icky picture on it?

This is the timeline I found on the Donna Jou web site.


Timeline from OC Register (some new details but no updates):

"Timeline of a disappearance

Late May – early June: Donna Jou comes across John Steven Burgess – a convicted child molester who uses the name Sinjin Stevens – on the Web site Craiglist.org and they begin exchanging messages. Eventually they agree to meet in person

June 23: At 5:30 p.m. Jou gets on the back of Burgess' 1981 Yamaha motorcycle outside her Rancho Santa Margarita apartment. Jou's family leaves for dinner and watches the motorcycle exit the 241 at Portola. Burgess' roommates later tell police Jou was at a party held at their house at 3617 Farris Drive in Los Angeles. During the party, Jou calls her boyfriend Sean Oberle in San Diego. The conversation is "casual" according to sheriff's investigators.

June 24:At 6:08 a.m., Nili Jou receives a text message from her daughter's cell phone that reads "Battery's dying. I'm in San Diego. Be home soon. I love you Mommy.""

June 25: Jou's family report her missing to the Orange County Sheriff's Department after she doesn't show up for work or school.

June 28: Burgess turns 35.

July 5: Orange County Sheriff's Department releases the pictures of two persons of interest in Jou's disappearance. Burgess is one of them. Burgess is seen packing his truck full of cardboard boxes. It is the last time Burgess' roommates see him.

July 6: Sheriff's officials narrow their search to Burgess. The license plates and descriptions of his Ford Ranger pickup and motorcycle are publicized.

July 8: A man finds a plastic tool box stuffed under bougainvillea vines about a mile and a half from Burgess' house. Inside the box are the vanity license plates "SINJIN 1" from Burgess' truck, a black motorcycle helmet, rubber dishwashing gloves, rope and a scrub brush

July 9:Orange County sheriff's investigators and members of LAPD's robberny/homicide division return to Burgess' house and spend hours interviewing his roommates and searching the property. Several knives are found in a backyard cabinet and are being tested for blood residue."

Good thoughts Kermit!

IBE,

Here's my thoughts - these predators have patterns and have a planning stage when they are out to get a victim. While he is luring her, he is planning what he is going to do, so you can bet he was prepared. He got her out of the house.

This guy you said had a band and they were in San Diego. Also the text message came from San Diego.

Two things: If he killed her in his home - LA detectives would have found evidence. They don't seem to have anything other than the last man seen with her - Burgess.

So I think San Diego is a good bet to trace this guys patterns: local bars, friends in that area where he might stay with, etc. Did he have a cell phone that can be traced so one could get an idea of his habits and friends etc.
 I just would not rule out San Diego as the place he took her - or along the way, raped her and killed her.

I kind of think the Detectives feel they can get a confession out of him rather than do all of the leg work we would do.

In my opinion it doesn't mean she was alive and sent the text message

The day after Jou left for the party, her mother received a text message from Jou's cell phone saying she was coming home, Amormino said.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/07/06/state/n214249D92.DTL

It was suspicious that she didn't call, and that the message was in all caps. Her family says she doesn't text like that," Amormino sa
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/07/06/state/n214249D92.DTL

June 24 At 6:08 a.m., Nili Jou receives a text message from her daughter's cell phone that reads "Battery's
dying. I'm in San Diego. Be home soon. I love you Mommy."

He was already covering up the crime. The day AFTER


(http://www.nbcsandiego.com/2007/0706/13634784_240X180.jpg)
Kinny Puppy is the guy on the left and Burgess the guy on the right
Police said they are looking for a man named Kyle who is also known as Skinny Puppy. One of Jou’s family members identified him as the man who rode away with Jou on June 23, according to authorities.

Maybe the family member was mistaken and it was not Kyle who picked her up, but Burgess - that information I don't know - but you've got two males luring a young girl to their home, have a party and she disappears. I think Kyle knows more than he is saying.

Just want to add one more thought.

These type of pedophiles will get the victim alone - isolated. That leads me to believe he did not kill her or rape her in his home or nearby - I think he took her along a deserted area - most likely going to San Diego where he is familiar with the area. She probably fought him and he killed her. Remember Samantha Runion who was kidnapped by a pedophile and he drove all the way to an isolated stretch of highway. Westerfield did the same thing with Danille - drove to the desert and then dumped her body back off some isolated road near a body of water.

I say look to his habit of going to San Diego. Areas he frequented, the roads he took. There is the 405 S, but you can also go along the Pacific Coast highway for a good stretch and some toll roads in O.C. that late at night are not that well traveled.

Posted at CourtTV site:

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 What I found weird is that "Sinjin" updated his myspace a week before Donna disappeared. He had 100 plus friends so he was on it quite regularly, yet now it has disappeared. I found a way to look at a cache version of his friends and the cache version had 100 plus friends as I said, but if you click on "look at updated version" it only had around sixty, so sometime during all that, he started going and deleting friends, and then he just ended up deleting the profile all together.

Cached version of Blog
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:4htqCDmWtFUJ:blog.myspace.com/sinjin_stevens+sinjin_stevens&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Cached Myspace Friends (if you try to advance the page you cant) no longer works

Newer version on SinJin's Friends no longer works

For the blog, notice it says: Last Updated: Jun 15, 2007


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 He also had a boat registered (second page on link)

http://www.columbia-yachts.com/registry.html

If you click on the link it takes you to this boat:

Sinjins Sanctuary

Somehow I get the feeling that really isnt his boat (even though he is claiming it is - he gives the same email address as the ads), but in a lot of his posts and ads, he mentions having one. I hope that LE have made sure this boat is still docked or at least know where its at and where its been.

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 And dont read too much into this because I dont know if this is his or not, but it is "Sinjin" and it contains one pic, one posted 3 days after Donna disappeared. Its really hard to even tell what it is but it looks like a hotel room. I cant make out much more than that. Can you?

http://sinjin453.vox.com/library/ph...419cb0685e.html

Here is the pic:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/SinJinBlogPic.jpg)


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=e5db85b30641502881b7baeb7d1d2b1f&threadid=302927&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

 

 

 

I do not think that is a motel room.

I lightened up the picture and enlarged it and I can see a picture frame on the dresser by the lamp.
Hotels do not normally have 8 x 10 pictures on the dressers. I can't make out who the picture is of, perhaps someone with more expertise can enlarge it.

Also notice the pillow shame has what appears to have a border that is more feminine.

(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9302/donnajouwy6.jpg)

I was fooling around with the picture and lightened and then enlarged it and to me - it looks like blood smears on the right side of the pillow.

Maybe someone with better skills then me can take a look at that in particular.

Kermit hard to tell if it's blood.  The photo itself is so grainy to begin with:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SinJinBlogPic.jpg)

IBE, when you get a chance please get in contact with me via Contact Family Page on the web site or through klaasend. Thank you for all your help as well as to everyone else.

lindam

Got into those pictures and forgot.  Will bounce back tomorrow (Tues afternoon) and email you after I see. the Dr.

Hi Kermit.. good work

But notice the rug at the bottom of the picture and its shape (legs, waist, head... oh call for Carpe!!!!!) here we go again.

Please, if any family members reading, please we are sorry, but the Monkeys are really sharp and have seen areas that end up making a difference to change laws, to find people alive and if not get the Justice and the Human Rights they deserve and the family deserve.

Will bounce back tomorrow. I got stuck  4 hrs.on naming the ref. pictures in photobucket and Klaas saved me... you don't have to name them... just use the links that are there after you upload them. The narration is in the rough draft and I am looking for it all together after I pulls weeds, wash the do, go Dr. Tomorrow and well into the night.

Let's roll!

I have been by his house... I thought I had taken a picture of it for I took pictures of all the homes (about all 6 of them on that short street on the west side, for on the east is one of the prettiest homes, then an apartment building and a church in the shape of a v when the street v's) At that time I didn't know which one was his. later when told I found that picture didn't come out... am sort of glad.

But I do remember the two houses were grayish.

A couple of weeks ago they were that orange/pick variations that go well together.

I lived in a 1932 CA Spanish home in a more affluent area are north of this home.. When we bought the home... it had these types of drapes in it.

They went out of style for some... put if an owner or land lady were older or European or just liked the quickness of opening them and shutting then.. they'd just keep them in a rental.

Then about 5 yrs around here they started back in style again.

The house where he lived was more of a 1920 home and these drapes were in that time periods. Some around here even do everything to be in period with the more, even if they just bought it.... like people do with farm houses, Victorians in other parts of the country. I had a 1931 Spanish that was untouched, the last one still up of a famous architect that did part of UCLA... I didn't change anything the 34 yrs I was there having to do with his trade mark... tile, stain glaass, mirrow engravings, arches, niches, famous fireplace., carvings in the doors. The guy who bought it.. just wanted a build a 2nd story. The contractor torn all most of it down and ruined the last historical things. Ego trip=contractor. Said he could sell it for 1M.. couldn't now he lives there :roll: his karma now.

Again, my first thought was it was his home... because of window size, and drapes and the decorations that I don't find in motels, except when I went on location for months and decorated my room and school room via.. Penneys and Sears.

Since they painted the two homes, maybe they are for rent again. I'll go back tomorrow as the hospital is only 4 blks away

I have a psychic friend who thinks she was wrapped up in, then had weights put on and put into a lake with manicured grass around.. you know.. taken care of grass like you find in a gold course or park... he also thought he say a fence with traffic running behind it. She was buried alive after he harmed her.This is IMO of what he told me...in his opinion.

we've been looking near by

but man, Burgess seemed to be all over the place... but is it Mark Furhman (sp) detective that says they sometimes have them near so can check on the site...

Spooky... if it's true he was seen in the area of Rancho Santa Margarita after she disappeared.

They have wilderness site behind that town... I bet they have all kinds of nice lakes, large ponds there like the psychic friend of mine said. He also way she really wants to be found to help her family. I watch this man's eyes. He is dead serious in saying all this.

Heyaaaaaaaaaaa pretty LADIESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! - Jerry Lewis   

 :P :P :P

Hi IBE &  Klaas....


Here's a little blow up and brightening job I did on one of the pics.

That cam that took the shot was REALLLLLLY   Fred Flinstone 1 POINT Oh.

That is one T. BURGLAR of a camera resolution shot.


Woooohooooo Geez!!!


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some additional shots:

http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/



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some thoughts I had after viewing this afternoon, written before I read
some of the details going on in this thread.


KLAAS, IBE

looks like:





crime scene in South America, Mexico, or Southwestern USA... someplace.


looks like someone's personal bedroom


i noticed how old timey the drape rod and loops are


photo frame on dresser, & possibly a print hanging on the wall

a lumpy looking Southwestern pattern comforter on the bed


possibly a body still in that bed?


what appears to be a pillow wedged in between window & headboard

maybe some blood residue on that pillow, very dirty, maybe dirt, dust, nicotine, or blood stains on it.


why is the pillow wedged between the headboard and the wall?

was someone getting lucky?

from the looks of the pillow,
it appears that they got
effing UNLUCKY really fast.

hmmmmm,   rape involved maybe?



....


I am going to go back and read this whole thread again. Those are

my thoughts on the pics for now though. > I come back... soon! :silent:

Dear Monkeys,

I see you are analyzing the photo on his Vox page, and that he joined this Vox on 6/26.  If you poke around that Vox page, you will see someone called "wonder_babe32" joined his "neighborhood" there on Vox on July 11, 2007.  This "wonder_babe32" is the only person in his neighborhood, and he is the only one in Wonder Babe's neighborhood.  I joined Vox to try to access their private blogs, but I still can't get in.  Maybe you guys know how to get in there.  Who is Wonder Babe, and is this important?

Welcome Hope!

I just went to the Vox site and "wonder_babe32" is no longer there as in his neighborhood?  Only "team vox" now.

Interresting, it does show up when I search "wonder_babe32" in Vox:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/WonderBabe.jpg)

hmmmmmmmm, very interesting, is right. :-?

The deletions on his personal web page,
definitely say something to me.


To me
it says
'panic button.'

I hope the local po-po is all over that

like flie on Joran Vandersloot!

Kermit wrote

Have to agree completely with your post about this text message. The ony reason to text and for Donna not to call IMO, is if she were unable , likely dead. If emergent and able to text, the text would have reflected that, which it clearly does not. Another killer that  thinks he is OH sooooo much smarter than the cops.

With regard to the picture. In my opinion it does not appear to be a hotel room but rather someones bedroom IMO. The bedroom almost seem to have a style ie Mission style furnishing. Example would be the (likely ) wooden curtain rod and wooden "hooks" which are really O's made of wood the lamp seems small in proportion to the room but it looks mission to me. Is there something under the blanket on the bed?

Examples:
curtain rod
http://www.interiormall.com/images/cat/rods/ljb/12-Verdigris_b.jpg
lamp
(http://www.plumasmansion.com/Lithophanes/lithimages/lithop1.gif)

Bleachedblack

I agree with you 100%

and

I thought the same thing about the blanket - it seems in an odd position as though there is something under the one side.

Also, I see the resolution of the picture is bad and has a lot of red, but the pillow is so white in the one area and reddish in the other which strikes me as odd.

I have a friend who lives on his boat in that same San Pedro place.  I just put in an email to him to check out lot 49, see if "Sinjin Sanctuary" is still parked there, and what the status is. 

I know this has gone around the block several times, but I really think TES needs to be here and searching.  What can we do to convince local LE / put pressure on local LE to let TES in here to do a land search?  Start a letter-writing campaign to Governor Schwartzenneggar?  Write our local congresspeople?  Start another online petition like the previous one?  What do you think? 

This guy is going to try to weasle out of all charges, that is my thought.  He is going to claim he was not living in West LA (so he did not fail to register as a sex offender); he will claim he did not own a motorcycle (so it wasn't him who picked up Donna that day); and he is going to try to get out of it all.  Evidence needs to be found.  His motorcycle needs to be found.  Of course, Donna needs to be found.

Can you access his erased blogs from the Vox page?  If that photo wasn't taken in a hotel, where, then?  A private home?  I would guess in CA from the thin curtains, right?  (Mexico? I say that from the type of blanket on the bed)  I joined the sailing page and yes, he was there too on 6/1/07, but he didn't post anything, from what I can tell.  There are some photos of his boat there (including renovations he did in October), and there is one photo of a man with a moustache driving the boat.  It doesn't look like him, but I could be wrong.  Oh, and on the main page where his boat is initially listed, this email address was next to his name:  st.augustinesaint@yahoo.com.  Not sure if it is his or the previous owner's email.  His band's name was Sinjin Saints - why the fascination with saints, or why St. Augustine?

There are these sites where one can pay $50 or whatever and get a ton of information on someone (frightening, but true).  Past addresses, phone numbers, just a ton of stuff.  Has anyone gone there to gather his info?  Besides what the housemates told the police (information we don't have access to), I am interested to know if he had or has a bank account here in LA; where his motorcycle is; (what happened to his dog, but that isn't important to finding Donna); I'm curious what the police got off his computer (we won't know that); what about his fellow band members, if they really existed - what do they know?  Where did they practice?  (a big warehouse....?)  I am sure the police have a solid case against this guy - but where is Donna?

We need a land search.  How can we make it happen?

Thank you Hope07 for the information and to all the other "Monkeys". Here is the link to vox blog information on SinJin.  http://sinjin453.vox.com/   The picture that is being analyzed is still posted on his blog. The picture was posted on June 26, 2007.

I checked into a number of motels from sleazy on up and none of them have lamps on the dresser - they all have either lamps attached to a wall, or a floor lamp and all of them have a TV across from the beds.

I could not find any that had that bedspread.

Another thought.
The Mission style may be more prevalent in San Deigo as there are a number of missions in that area.

Another reason IMO it isn't a hotel is look how close the bed is to the window ie the furniture is to big for the room. The bed is close enough to the window that a pillow could be shoved between the bedboard and the window and hold. The picture on the wall is to large for the room. The blanket pattern is to bright. In hotels the blankets are usually not bright colors so to better with stand the frequent laundering.

What about researching where that blanket is sold, or who sells it?  Maybe Sears (etc.) sells that type of blanket, and maybe only Sears (etc.) in San Diego or Bakersfield (?) sell it. Or Pier One Imports, or ....

Now that you mention it, and I look closer at the picture as is...which leaves a lot to be desired, the blanket   resembles a rug. Does anyone see this? It seems to have that nubby rug texture?

I just checked the blog, he opened this account the same day as he posted that photo, June 26, 2007. Since there is no other activity on this blog, it seems the only reason he opened it is to post this photo. Is he trying to tell something (this is AFTER Donna disappeared)?

Also, to answer hope07's question about the dog (I know it's off topic), I read that his roommates let him loose after Burgess skipped town.  :-x

About that picture. What if it's taken in his bedroom? This is what I was thinking. It just baffles me that Burgess would open that account 3 days after Donna went missing, and ONLY to post that strange photo. What if someone else opened that account under "sinjin", so it could be found online if anyone searched "sinjin"? The picture is so grainy, it looks like it was taken by a cell phone. Someone (maybe one of his roommates) took it with his/her cell phone, opened that account and posted it as a clue? What is in that suitcase? Why is there a pillow? He wasn't packing for his "trip" since he left on 7/05, so why would there be a full suitcase? Maybe, if that's the case, whoever opened this account is just afraid to come foreward with any information they might have. I am sure whoever it is can be traced through an IP address. Just a thought! I just can't find any reason whatsoever why Burgess would opened this account and post that picture.   :o

The rug. like the one pictured, can be bought at various locations in LA on street corners from Latino sellers who hang them on fences by the street and sell them. Perhaps this also goes on in Orange County and San Diego. Some have pictures, another street corner may have rugs, blankets, fruits or vegetables.

Some are cheap and light weight. Others are quite heavy depending on the weave.

It's also the type of rug you'd find at a Big Lots, Pier One, Cost Plus, CVS and local drug stores and a big 99 Cent store..

I think I have seen rug vendors on Venice Blvd. about 2 miles west of his house in the Mar Vista area. (Palms where he lived his part of West Los Angeles about 2 blocks north of the Culver City.. one of the 88 cites in the LA area. Heard that fact on the Food Channel yesterday. Amazing how we find things.

FALSA (Yoga) BLANKETS - Mexican

Come in many different styles and can be purchased almost anywhere in California but especially in Southern California where there is a large population of Mexicans.

(http://www.barrus.com/Falsa_Blankets_2.jpg)

(http://www.hippieshop.com/mas_assets/full/26024.jpg)

I have seen them in wider sizes too.. Will check with some of my Mexican friends. I don't know if they weave them larger or sew them together. Like clothes from India they sometimes bleed and fade.

Maybe the weave color comes from a certain area in Mexico. I know, off topic. I learned that the wearing of large white cowboy hat means you are from Jalisco. There are many clues in LA of the various cultures.

Did you find the court time and place on Sept. 5th??? Could be West LA Courts or if Superior could be Santa Monica. Hope it's not downtown.

IMO the one in the picture looks more like from Pier One or Cost Plus or Big lots or a drug store. The picture is so grainy. I wish someone could zero in on the picture in the frame.

Remember he was in a rental house... built around 1920's +-. If the land lady still had a fondness for that style, those drapes were in the 20's and 30's here.

Actually, I think can still be found in the Penney's catalog. The are easy to make too.

Some of my favorite areas are amber and leaves. I have seen the lamp before in a catalog or around in LA areas.. It's the Craftsman style which would go with the rental style of house where he was.. IMO.. the one that was shades of gray and now multi colorsm

More interested in what's in the blanket and what's in the picture frame.

PS  I think the lamp is made of metal.

what does "local po-po" mean??? Local LAPD??? Sorry, am tired. and "like file one Joran Vandersloot or is that fly?? at first I thought you meant "poo-poo" (Klaas, am I allowed to say those words?)

Not searching for her: ie: letting TES in is a bunch of manure. IMO.. Some of the areas near where she was last seen aren't even in LA, but Culver City, only 2 blocks south of his house (I refuse to say "home" as a one person protest for finding Donna alive or Justice if needed)

And the areas are owned by Culver City, so no LAPD to ask. The RR track areas around his house (some have tracks there, some just plain dirt and cement) are either owned by Culver City, or LA Metro Line Transit or still Southern Pacific.

The roommates are gone so no birds on a wire, I guess. Drugs, I have read, were on the menu.

Personally I would not want to mess with LAPD, Orange County sheriffs or any of those white hats.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Saint Augustine is best known for his Confessiones (Confessions), which is a personal account of his earlier life.

Two things struck me about Hope's post and that is the reference to Saint Augustine as well as the fact that he emailed the Sheriff's dept.

All of these things add up to someone who is guilty as hell and trying to find a way out.

Also there is a St. Augustine in Florida.

Mexico border right next to San Diego.

You may have hit the nail on the head with Pier one:

http://www.pier1.com/home.aspx


(http://www.pier1.com/Images/catalog/g122950_120_120.jpg)

Doesn't help much IBE:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SinJimRoom.jpg)

You don't have to go there to get them. The are hung on fences in LA to be bought and you just pull over and buy them.

But Mexico is so close and it seems the person of interest was all over the place. Malibu State Park wilderness; Rancho Santa Margarita, San Diego, the boat.

Hi Kermit!!!

Can't get the link to pull up. When I had a home it was decorated in Air Force thrift shop, Pier one, JC Penneys and Sears. I'd love to go into some of the stores in Beverly Hills and see what was hot and then go look for the cheaper versions... long ago  :lol:

(http://www.sanpedro.com/IMAGES/wco005l.jpg)

San Pedro boat dock

My former home was what is called here a 1932 Spanish home.. it had a famous architect that we had no idea of at the time. It was just a neat home. It had curtain rods like those in the picture. Later on, I was able to get some custom made with draw thingies that looked like wood.

It's just that the house where he lived was about a 1920 sort of Craftsman bungalow and would have this type of curtain if no one "upgraded".

Klaas, I mean the picture in the frame on the table by the lamp. However, the big picture may be of interest too

ribbit

Yeah his tool box was found  a mile or so from his home in LA. So, that means he must have either been in that area, or came back.

Wish we knew if the cell phone text msg was traced to S.D. or LA or ?

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007
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I am sorry to the family members who read here to post this

But what we have learned from the Natalee Holloway disappearance, I hope this isn't a trophy picture.

But I am, IMO, confident in the LAPD.. even though they are spread out so thin and lots of crime, gangs, et al., but am not happy they are not letting TES in.

Also, he's not rich like OJ.and there they had all kinds of evidence.. some not even told to the public, I hear.

Isn't 1 million $$ high for not registering as a sex offender?  That is a State offense??? so might be Superior Court in Santa Monica????

Darn.. why isn't this getting more media coverage???

Help.. where's the Court location??? Sept 5th. He's still in jail isn't he??? not out on bail... if anyone would skip.. with his changing of locations so much????

If I'd ever turn up missing, and had a family, I'd sure not want them to suffer.. this is unacceptable!

Tim Miller thinks she is near... and darn, again I will say, some of the land around there is not in LAPD jurisdiction.

We have to step the heat... rally the Monkeys!!

I don't know how "interactive" or proactive we can be without getting into trouble with LE.  But here are some thoughts, for those who live in LA: 
1) go to the boat and check it out; talk with the neighbors
2) talk with the landlady (Concepción Mora is her name, I believe).  I wonder if she has other rentals?  I wonder if she let JSB stay in other rentals of hers, even if for a night?
3) the roommates...........  (I so want to talk to those roommates!)
4) Who were his bandmates?  What do they say?
5) Where are his ex-wife/girlfriend & child?  What do they say about this?

I know he ripped off his housemates, but it seems he has more money than the average Joe, you know?  How does he have money?  From scam after scam?  Did he ever hold a job?  Did his mom send him money, I wonder?

Why do you guys think he dumped his black toolbox full of his vanity plates (and the helmet Donna wore, and the other things) so close to his house?  I guess he was in a hurry, but why not at least remove the vanity plates from the toolbox and then he could have dumped them along the way in some random trash dumpster as he traveled up north?  Why leave the vanity plates in LA?  Maybe he thought the cops were close on his tail...?  Maybe he was leaving this identity behind and beginning anew as "Sebastian" or whatever?

Isn't the court hearing taking place at that address on La Cienega? 

Happy Thought:  He is a coward, he preys on weaker, younger, naïve people, right?  He is currently in jail surrounded by people who are not weak, young nor naïve.  He plays the "innocent victim" - the crack cocaine wasn't his, he was just holding it for the prostitute who came knocking on his door; he wasn't sexually molesting the 14-year old, he just put his hand on her knee as he gave her advice on life.  So now he is locked up with tough guys who are particularly harsh on sexual predators. 

He better not make bail, he will flee so fast if he makes bail.

great picture Kermit!! Very Pretty and peaceful.

I was going to say something to Hope07 but I forgot. Have to go back and reread. Sorry :roll:

#1 is finding Donna, hopefully alive... #2 if not, then Justice... people go missing all the time in LA.. everyday.. some are never reported, some are afraid of the police because of their culture, others are afraid of gangs.

if you have to step on whomever or whatever, so that's the way it is.

The #1 focus is finding her despite Hxxx and high water, so to speak.

The Police here work very hard.. I don't see why they are refusing TES.. hopefully they know something we don't and hopefully it is not an ego trip.

They would still not be searching for Natalee Holloway now, if the family had not been so vocal, in the Law Enforcement's face and on the media.

And of course... the Scared Monkeys

I know, Hope

What good ideas...

Don't think the same roommates are still there... house, yard has been cleaned up since I first saw it July 29th. Newly painted too.

You have to be careful and not invade a person's privacy. When I happened, by fate and luck, to "run" into the resident who found the tool box (he was in his yard and I happened to ask him if he had heard of the tool box). He was the one who gave its content info to the press... I asked permission if I could take pictures of his side yard. By the way... what was told to the press was in 1/2 the tool box the other part was locked so, I guess, only LAPD and Orange County would know.

Love your enthusiasm.. don't ever loose it!

Where on La Cienega... there's a See's candy place there :lol: :lol: but it doesn't open at 8:30 AM..

Gee.. I am not versed enough.. but think not registering is a State law, so might be a state court.. I just don't know.  Klaas will rescue us  :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have heard the boat never left dock and LE checked it out.. that was in one of the Orange County papers I think.

This is good.. now TES can search the land. I hope she is alive.

La Cienega Blvd. big Street from Beverly Hills/West Hollywood south through lots of LA to LAX.

Hope, have you ever been to the Kenneth Hahn State Regional park on the big hill on La Cienega south of Rodeo (Jefferson)? south of See's and Target???

Kermit.. what's a "Kewl girl" ???

Only found out a few months ago what TIA was :roll: TIA by the way.

Kermit.. foggy IBE here again.. what does "Sinjin here , welcome to my ad =D !

What does "my ad =D !" mean???

Good morning all!!! and the guest online!! :lol: :lol:

In his ad.. he does things in minutes... so LA! thought he'd just moved to LA in Oct. Distance in LA is measured in minutes to somewhere. guess it sounds good in an ad.

How many minutes to the spooky places???

Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Burgess named suspect in student's disappearance


(http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/08/21sinjin1_md.jpg)

BAIL REDUCED: John Steven Burgess, a person of interest in the case of missing Orange County woman Donna Jou, 19, of Rancho Santa Margarita, was arraigned in the Los Angeles Airport Courthouse Monday


John Steven Burgess makes first California court appearance on failure to register as sex offender.
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

A convicted child molester now a suspect in the disappearance of a 19-year-old Rancho Santa Margarita student painted his blue pickup truck black and used an assumed name apparently to avoid detection while on the run from California to Florida, authorities revealed Monday.

In a borrowed light-blue dress shirt and his shoulder length brown hair stringy, John Steven Burgess, 35, made his first California court appearance Monday after being extradited. It was also the first time he was called a suspect –and not just a person of interest.

Hands, uncuffed, and stuffed in the pockets of grey dress pants, Burgess shuffled in with a smirk. With a southern drawl, he said little other than yes, sir and no, sir when addressed by the judge. Minutes later he shuffled out – back to lock-up – but $750,000 closer to freedom while he awaits prosecution for failing to register as a sex offender
Burgess has not been charged with any crime in connection with the disappearance of Donna Jou, who was last seen by her family June 23 driving away on the back of Burgess' motorcycle.

Burgess, who goes by the name Sinjin Stevens, drove Jou to a party at his Los Angeles home that included drinking and using drugs, investigators said. The two met on Craigslist.org.

Investigators continue to build their case with circumstantial evidence against the man they believe was the last person to see her alive, according to a sworn statement by a LAPD detective read aloud by Judge Keith L. Schwartz Monday.

Schwartz reduced Burgess’ bail from $1 million to $250,000, still more than 10 times the amount laid out in the county’s bail schedule. Burgess, who faces six years in prison if convicted, pleaded not guilty.

Schwartz was the same judge who raised Burgess’s bail from $40,000 to $1 million in July after reviewing the detective’s sworn statements. Burgess’ departure to Florida with the “foreknowledge that he was a suspect” in Jou’s disappearance, along with his habits of paying rent with cash, living under an alias and failing to register as a sex offender in California, and again in Florida, warranted raising the bail, the detective argued.

“It’s a common pattern used by sex offenders to go under the radar … so there is no paper trail,” Schwartz said.

Inmates normally must post just 10 percent of a bail amount to a bail bondsman to be released.

Defense attorney George Bird Jr. said was unaware Burgess had been named a suspect in Jou’s disappearance until he heard it in court.

“The previous statements that my client was a person of interest and not a suspect were either disingenuous or intentionally false,” said Bird, who denies Burgess had anything to do with Jou’s disappearance.

Burgess lied to Jacksonville police about his identity when he was arrested in July 24 on suspicion of cocaine possession, said Orange County Sheriff’s Investigator Dan Salcedo.

Fingerprints turned up the California warrant for his arrest. Burgess was sentenced to 25 days of time served after pleading guilty to third-degree felony crack possession last week. He waived extradition.

Burgess left Los Angeles on July 5, the same day investigators from the Orange County Sheriff's Department named him a person of interest in Jou's disappearance, and broadcast his picture and description of his blue 1998 Ford Ranger pickup.

Three days later, Burgess’ truck’s tool box was found along railroad tracks. With the box were his custom license plates SINJIN 1, a motorcycle helmet, a scrubbing brush, rubber gloves, and some rope. By the time Burgess arrived in Florida, the Ranger had been painted black, Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said.

“It obviously helped him get there without being noticed,” Amormino said. “He was last seen with her. He removed his truck’s license plates, he painted it black, and he fled to Florida. These are all things that look pretty suspicious.”



Contact the writer: 714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com
http://www.ocregister.com/news/burgess-bail-jou-1815324-schwartz-angeles

More photos of him:

(http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/08/21sinjin2_lg.jpg)

(http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/08/21sinjin4_lg.jpg)

check your mail Klass

Megan's Law

Megan's Law:  Frequently Asked Questions

Q.   When are sex offenders required to register with local authorities?

A.   Pursuant to section 290 of the California Penal Code, individuals convicted of committing or attempting certain sex crimes are required to register with the local police department within five working days of his or her release from prison or jail. Additionally, sex offenders must re-register every year within five working days of his or her birthday, moving, or changing his or her name. With few exceptions, the registration requirement is a lifetime mandate.

During annual registration, the registered sex offender is required to verify his or her name and address or temporary location. Failure to properly register may be a felony and may count as a "Third Strike."

Q.  Is the information on the Megan's Law database accurate?

A.  Many of the sex offender registrants on the database have failed to comply with California's registration laws, and therefore the zip code listed for some offenders may not be up-to-date. Since the database has been available, the public has helped law enforcement identify offenders who are not registered with the correct address. Thanks to toughened California laws requiring annual registration, and making it a felony in some cases not to do so, it is estimated that the majority of California's registered sex offenders are in compliance with the registration requirement. This is a dramatic turnaround from a few years ago when a smaller percentage of the offenders in the state were thought to be properly registered. The California Department of Justice, Bureau of Investigation, has agents assigned to Sexual Predator Apprehension Teams (SPATs) to work with local law enforcement to arrest sex offenders who do not comply with registration laws. The SPATs, along with a concerted effort by many local law enforcement agencies, deserve much of the credit for increasing the percentage of offenders who are properly registered.

Q.  Why are local law enforcement agencies assigned the responsibility to determine when to notify the public about a registered sex offender?

A.  The decision to disseminate information has been given to the local law enforcement agencies within the parameters of the Megan's Law statute because they are best positioned to determine what level and method of notification is appropriate for their community.

Courtesy of California Attorney General Dan Lungren's Office, updated May 1998

Notice of Duty to Register as a Sex Offender

IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A SEX OFFENSE, you may be required to register under California law as a sex offender.

The registration law may have changed since you were convicted.  The sex offense for which you were convicted may have been added to the law requiring registration after the date of your conviction.  If the offense was added to the registration law after your conviction date, you may not have received personal notice of your duty to register as a sex offender.

Check with your local law enforcement agency to see if the sex offense for which you were convicted requires registration today.  To register, go to the police department in the city where you reside or are located, or to the sheriff's department if you reside or are located in an unincorporated area.  IT IS A CRIME TO FAIL TO REGISTER.

If you have a question about your sex offense conviction or need to know whether your out-of-state conviction is the equivalent of a registrable sex offense in California, WRITE TO:

California Department of Justice
Sex and Arson Registration Program
P.O. Box 903387
Sacramento, CA 94203-3870

Where have we seen a smirk like that before?

Hi,

It says on the www.donnajou.com page:

Next Court Code: M144       Next Court Date: 09/05/2007       Next Court Time: 0830       Next Court Case: SA06467001

Court Name: LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 144
Court Address: 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD.       Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT

I'm thinking that address on La Cienega is where it will take place?

I don't know if people already responded to your questions, IBE:

"kewl gurl" = cool girl

I googled "sinjin" = apparently it means "Saint John"

 =D   that is a smiley face with the mouth & eyes wide open - as opposed to:  :)  regular smiley face

I don't know what TIA means:  thanks in advance?  totally inept a**? 

Have a nice night~~

Similar rugs IMO, see what you think

http://www.homedecorators.com/P/Stripes_III_Rug/190/

http://www.homedecorators.com/P/Rasta_Area_Rug/910/

Another photo of him:

(http://www.cbs8.com/story_graphics/2007/07/pic_burgess2.2.jpg)

His truck that as posted on his Myspace site:

(http://images.craigslist.org/01011001020701030620070822d71312f1f5d0b099d8009ca4.jpg)

Inside a shower curtain or the loops are like the one in that picture from his supposed site

OK... Hope he is still in jail by Sept 5th.. If the judge lowered the amount of bail to $250,000, 10% is $25,000. Not hard to raise if someone has property.


So if he is now a suspect.. why wasn't there an added bail amount.

Quote from Jim Amormino, Orange County Sheriff's spokesman:
Burgess left Los Angeles on July 5, the same day investigators from the Orange County Sheriff's Department named him a person of interest in Jou's disappearance, and broadcast his picture and description of his blue 1998 Ford Ranger pickup.

Three days later, Burgess’ truck’s tool box was found along railroad tracks. With the box were his custom license plates SINJIN 1, a motorcycle helmet, a scrubbing brush, rubber gloves, and some rope. By the time Burgess arrived in Florida, the Ranger had been painted black, Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said.

“It obviously helped him get there without being noticed,” Amormino said. “He was last seen with her. He removed his truck’s license plates, he painted it black, and he fled to Florida. These are all things that look pretty suspicious.”

Contact the writer: 714-796-7829 or kedds@ocregister.com
http://www.ocregister.com/news/burgess-bail-jou-1815324-schwartz-angeles

So did he paint it himself with spray cans... surely not in CA for they are locked and limited in the amount. (I guess so you don't sniff yourself to death)

So where did he go to have it painted???  Seems to be an easy answer but in CA there are many fly by night shops.

Why would someone leave a truck tool box in an area that have homes across the street, and run the change of being seen by a early morning car?

I think I read somewhere it was black also, so wouldn't it just fit in with his new color? So why leave it and under a bunch of flowers, no less.

Is it in his M.O. to want to be found? or leave trophy clues? around

Some of this stuff is weird. IMO

Never heard that the man on the motorcycle who picked her up had long hair. Do long haired men stick their hair up into the helmet. I have always seen them just leave the hair the way it is.

One of the articles from either the San Diego area or Rancho San Margarita said he was seen riding around the area of RSM after she disappeared>>> any one know more about that???

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/BurgessHome.jpg)

According to his LAPD page, they moved him last night to the Men's Central Jail.  Mapquest says it is just north of downtown LA in between where all the freeways intersect.  The place where the court proceedings will take place is just south of the LAX airport next to the 405 and just below the 105 freeway.  I have actually been to that building - a very pretty modern tall building covered in what looks like shiny mirrors.  It is surrounded by nothing so the contrast is sharp.  A lot of legal stuff goes on in that building, not just court cases.

The max. time he has done in jail before is 146 days, right?  By Sept. 5 he will have been locked up for only 42 days or so.  I am wondering what the mindset is of someone who spends time locked up - if they are more willing to tell the truth, or more likely to keep their mouth closed.  I guess that is why lawyers exist - to do the clear thinking for their locked up, stressed out (deprived / beaten up / raped) client.   :shock:

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3914/donnajouccv9.jpg)


Is the blanket behind her similar to the one in that other picture?

IBE

Do you recognize the lake/mountains behind him and his truck as being anywhere in LA area?
I know there is Castic Lake out past Magic Mountain, but I don't think there are mountains like that.
Would it be Arrowhead or Big Bear?

I'm thinking this was taken not too long ago and probably an area he likes to drive too.


(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3274/burgessym3.jpg)

I noted a couple of things in his ad.

1. Why would Donna reply to his ad when she is living in the dorms in San Deigo and his home is specifically in LA?

2. Note how he uses the explanation point with sometimes a space and then when he does it more than once he doesn't have a space.

3. He writes in first person: "MY little house", "Im looking for", "I need" THEN he changes it to "We have high speed Internet/cable"...

   "we have a front and back yard !, "We are 420 friendly" (slip of the tongue and demonstrates he is lying)

4. "Im available anytime at all to show it"

    He doesn't work


One would think if he had access to a boat that he would go off in it and sail down to Mexico, but he painted his truck black and drove all the way to Florida

I want to nail this guy.

His attorney probably gave him those clothes to wear in court - trying to present an image that he's not a murderer.

George F. Bird, Jr.
Bird & Bird

If you are charged with a crime in federal or state court, you need experienced and skilled representation. Aggressive and caring legal representation is the approach that husband and wife attorneys George and Karen Bird give to all of their clients. http://www.sblclaw.com/CM/Custom/TOCCriminalLaw.asp

scum of the earth protecting these criminals - ah, just my own personal opinion.
http://www.lawyers.com/California/Torrance/Bird-and-Bird,-A-Law-Corporation-275444-f.html

IBE,

Can you tell if the background is LA's in that same area you were in? - This is the roommate

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1094/donnajoubww9.jpg)

I just noticed he is wearing a T-shirt with his name Skinny Puppy on it.

hummmm, black t-shirt and in the other picture of John Burgess by his truck he is wearing a black t-shirt too.

From the ad it is almost as though he is describing this room mates room, desk, computer equipment,

Notice too how he changes his looks from short hair, love patch beard, shaved head,
to long hair, 5 o'clock shadow.

changes his car color

changes his name

someone who doesn't want to be discovered

35 yr old pedophile

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/BurgessHome.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/BurgessWindow.jpg)


(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1094/donnajoubww9.jpg)

Texture doesn't appear "nubby" IMO like the blanket/rug. Good find though Kermit. This picture you post looks like she might be standing in front of a curtain and posing like she is. The reason I say this is there appear to be gathers in the fabric noted on the right side of her face and in the crook of her arm. If she were laying on something I would expect the fabric to wrinkle instead of gather JMO.

"1. Why would Donna reply to his ad when she is living in the dorms in San Deigo and his home is specifically in LA?"

I believe she was home for the summer, staying with her mom in Racho Santa Margarita.

re:  photo of him at lake: YES, I am wondering where that lake is.  Is it within driving distance of LA?  Apparently he loves the outdoors... (so, could Donna be there wherever that lake is?)

re: Skinny Puppy:  Do you guys think he knows Skinny Puppy ("Kyle" - I'm not sure if they are the same guy).  We know he used that photo to lure Donna out and about, but do you think he stole that photo (randomly off the internet), or maybe that is his friend / co-conspirator?  I believe the police interviewed SP/Kyle and ruled him out as a suspect. 

re: him changing his looks:  Yes, I think he did something bad before, then adopted his new name, Sinjin Stevens.  Now he is "Sebastian."  Maybe prior to Sinjin he was called something else?  And with the new identity comes:  the personalized license plates; renaming the boat; the band's name (not to mention moving across the country to CA)  He is constantly changing his appearance and name, reforming his identity.

If you think about 35-yr. olds: by the time you hit your 30s, you are pretty much established, right?  When you are in your teens and 20s, that is when you experiment with your identy.  What 35-yr. old participates in MySpace and all that?  (only those who are trying to connect with young people)  Why isn't a 35-yr. old trying to find friends his own age?  (he feels insecure / incompetent / inadequate; he can't "compete" with people in his age group, so he seeks out the young, naïve, innocent so he can manipulate them).  It is also weird that he is so insecure b/c he is a tall, white male.  Studies have been done that talk about how tall people are more successful in society/life than short people; etc.  Why would a tall 6'3" white male be so insecure?  (I would love to know what happened in his childhood!)

And did you notice when they interviewed his mom, she immediately referred to him as "Steven" and then made a remark about his name "Sinjin" - she immediately took away his self-made identity (i.e. she metaphorically castrated him in front of everyone). 

re: shirt in court:  In the photo by the lake does he have tattoos on his arms, can you tell?  I'm thinking the long-sleeved shirt in court was to cover up the tats.  What do you think?

Klaas,

is that a recent picture?

I thought it had been painted recently to another color.

Re: lake, yes I thought of a few places yesterday. Could a larger picture be posted.. this is a cropped close up.

Castaic Lake:

(http://www.palal.net/sandiego/IMG_8622.JPG)

This is one of the sources of LA's water supply.


http://www.palal.net/sandiego/

Klaas,, see you are here. I might have found the name of the red and white woven material.. can't spell it so can't look it up :roll:

Left it in the Musings  TIA

SERAPE

se·ra·pe also sa·ra·pe (sə-rä'pē, -răp'ē)
n.
A long blanketlike shawl, often brightly colored and fringed at the ends, worn especially by Mexican men.

Great picture.. notice the island... is there one in the larger picture of him with the truck.. this one is too much of a close up. Looks like a small island on the left of the close up.

There is a lake in Malibu State Park that has mountains behind it.. but I would like to see the shape of the the mountains in the whole picture. He was known to according to the police in one of the news article to go to that area for the article said they searched around his home (wonder where and how????) and wilderness trails in Malibu State Park as they said he frequented there... Gads he was all over the place.

I also thought  of  Lake Piu (sp) and Pyramid lake.

Am a tad fogged tonight.. is Pyramid Lake part of the lake you just showed.... one of the lakes up there that has a

Piru

Oh, then I have seen it in stores and on fences in LA!!! uh duh

The "Spanish" I spent time with  in New Mexico were had Mexican ancestors but were insulted to be called Mexicans... they were "Spanish"

Klaas,

the close up of him that you posted I have seen the "whole" picture that shows the mountains better. Will look for it on my computer. Do you have one??? You are faster  :lol: :lol:

The jpg I have is so small... I can't even zoom in.. but it is a screen shot from TV that says "Crimefighters" if I remember correctly that might be an Orange County or San Diego TV station.

Thought I'd saved it at the jpg that I saw.. but mine is only about 2 inch square on my computer screen..

Hoping for Klaas to the rescue in the iddy biddy picture I have, I can see a road with a guard railing, water in the bkgd and mountains.

Yeah, hold on

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/bluetruck.jpg)

The uplifting in the "ridges" of the mountains look like an earthquake type of mountain.. Doesn't look as if any pine trees.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/255792882_079bbb0795.jpg)

(http://www.lacountyland.com/images/land/la4462009019/land5.jpg)

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5586/donnajouhomexp4.jpg)
This is where Burgess picked up Donna Jou

Missing O.C. woman's family struggles with her fate

Donna Jou's mother, father and siblings are bewildered by the circumstances of her disappearance and the treatment of a suspect.
By Christopher Goffard, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 26, 2007
In the two months since the disappearance of 19-year-old Donna Jou, a bookish, sheltered biology student who dreamed of being a neurosurgeon, clues to her fate have been both dramatic and maddeningly inconclusive.

There is an abandoned toolbox with ominous contents. There are puzzling text messages she may or may not have sent her mother.

And there is a feeling of certainty, among her family and investigators, that a convicted sex offender named John Steven Burgess -- described by one detective as "a very smooth-talking con man" -- knows more than he will reveal.

"It's torture," said her mother, Nili Jou. "My daughter only lived 19 years, and he's not telling me where she is."

It was Burgess, 35, investigators said, who somehow lured Jou from her mother's Rancho Santa Margarita apartment onto the back of his motorcycle June 23. It was Burgess' dilapidated rental house in Palms where witnesses last saw her alive. It was Burgess, investigators say, who repainted his 1998 Ford Ranger and fled after Jou vanished, and it was his tool box -- containing a motorcycle helmet, his truck's license plate, rope, rubber gloves and a scrub brush -- that turned up near his house.

So when police caught up to him late last month as he was trying to ditch a bag of crack cocaine in the parking lot of a Motel 6 in Jacksonville, Fla., everyone hoped the case would break wide open.

Instead, Burgess now sits in a Los Angeles jail on an unrelated charge of failing to register as a sex offender. He refuses to talk about Donna Jou, and though police call him a suspect, they have not charged him in her disappearance. Between him and the street stands $250,000 bail.

"It's an unusual case, where our client is being held on Case A, where clearly the focus is on Case B," said Burgess' attorney, George Bird Jr. He said Burgess could not answer questions about his whereabouts around the time of Jou's disappearance without the risk of incriminating himself in the failing-to-register case.

>>>>>>>.the complete article

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-missing26aug26,0,3780401.story?coll=la-home-local

Maybe this picture is taken in Canada? Skinny Puppy is an industrial band in was formed in vancouver in the 80's. I think they had a reunion tour in 2004 and toured parts of canada?

Kermit, thanks for pointing out that lake so close to Malibu State Park.  I'm going to drive over there right now and take a look-see, see if the surrounding mountains look similar to that photo of Burgess next to his truck.

Is he wearing a watch in that photo?  Does anyone have the technology to see if he is wearing a watch, and if so, if the DATE is on the watch?  (wishful thinking, but who knows, someone may have that technology)

Donna is somewhere, we just have to find her.  She did not vanish into thin air.

 Could you zoom in more for me?? Across the dam and to the right I think is a restaurant or store.

Motorcycle people like to go up to Topanga Cyn. There used to be a food place they''d hang out and take the top of the mountain road, sometimes on top, which is one of the roads you mentioned and go to Malibu state park and Malibu road then down one side to the beach and come back or the other big traffic way.. the 101 Fwy.. The suspect, according to LAPD in a news article searched there on wilderness trails and around his home. This park is not small.

Too bad a rattlesnake didn't bite him.

Kermit, you seem to used earth google and I can't (56k modem)

Would you or Klaas or another good Monkey zero down into Malibu State Park NNW-W of  where Malibu lake is....I might be wrong on my directions (it's been years since I have thought of this area, except when they have a fire or mud slides).. more at the end of the street you have.... there is a lake in there.. with mountains in back... but more at ground level

But they were adding new roads 30 yrs. ago.. Went into that area almost 4 times a week for 4 yrs. and then various times at Lake Sherwood and Malibu.

These lakes, except in the park, I would think have great security at night because of the tourist, day drivers and bikers... now have homes that are expensive. 40 yrs ago could be bought for $50,000. but you had a hour plus traffic to get to work.

I think Lake Malibu is closer in then Malibu State Park (the old Fox Ranch and used to belong, I think, to the Reagans) MASH, and the series with the fast good ole boys in cars, plus the series Swiss Family Robinson with famous actors et and the children were Helen Hunt, Willie Aames (later on another more famous series) and Eric Olsen. Great young people! How the West Was Won with Vicki Shreck and the young adults who met there and married... Bruce and ? was filmed at a ranch there, the Kanab, Utah, Tuscon and Colo. They never took the young adult, Vicki, to Colo.

Because of our summer school in a AC trailer on the lot, we went on "field trips" The company would pay for gas, admissions and of course.. I got them to pay for lunch


That's how I met Jim Amormino, spokesman for Orange County Police.. he used to do the same thing for LAPD; then I think retired from that and went to OC. He showed us all around the PD in LA, jails, the labs, et al, the Acad and the Court system. Very intelligent, honest, down-to-earth man, has a good Soul and virtues. I would think, they type of man who doesn't like to be put in the "middle" by others or other brances of LE. or an ole boy's network  Always on TV here when news of crime happens in OC. I worry about him; along with all LE.

(Aren't a mom, I personally adopt groups to worry about... police, fire, troops, young people, Scared Monkey Family)

"My" Student, 16 or 17, was/is a knock out. and made quite an impression. Too bad she wasn't older. ...wow how life could have worked out.

I know I have seen a more zoomed out picture somewhere of him, the truck and lake... I thought I had seen an island to the left, but might have been that grassy area. Area looks dry... No rain CA

News articles say this man was all over in LA, Orange and San Diego Counties, even SF, AZ... so if he always had money.. probably Vegas or other casinos around LA

Was he a drug dealer??? or do you get paid for being a sex offender???

I understand he tried to sell one very young girl into trafficking or prostitution. assault and battery, are some of the areas that lead to the sex offender charge.

This is the western most portion of Malibu Lake.  I didn't see any other bodies of water near but I'll keep looking:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/MalibuLakeNWCorner.jpg)

Great work guys!

Burgess reminds me of Ted Bundy.

There will be a Donna Jou Support March outside the courthouse on September 5, 2007. Starting around 8:00am. The location is 11701 S. LA Cienega Blvd. There will be signs and banners to show support in Justice for Donna!

Also, The picture with Blue Ford Ranger and Burgess....Pyramid Lake  is where this picuture seems to be taken.

(http://www.pyramidlakeca.com/images/overview2_330.jpg)
Pyramid Lake, CA is 20 miles north of Magic Mountain Amusement Park in Valencia

(http://www.plpt.nsn.us/slideshows/pyramidlake_files/v3_slide0001_image001.jpg)
Pyramid Lake, Nevada

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8023/burgesswatchpg2.jpg)

Sorry the picture resolution is not good when I try to blow it up larger.

lindam,

Why do you say the picture was taken at Pyramid Lake?

Malibu Lake is closer to the LA home.

Hope07,

Look for that guard rail he is next too in the picture.

There are a lot of trails around that area, but I would think because he is a pedophile he has a cycle and that tells us his patterns. Like obsessive compulsive disorder they tend to go to the same places and he would have planned this before hand so he knows the area where he took her. She not being familiar with the areas in LA would probably not have known he was going a different route than to her home. Or he could have just conned her again by saying he'd take her home, but had to make a stop at a friends house to pick something up.

Hi,
I drove around there for quite a bit of time today.  (The security guard at one entrance told me to go RIGHT [east] on Mulhulland instead of LEFT, so I drove the 10 miles down the scenic backroad of Mulhulland Drive trying to spot the lake, then got on the 101 North, exited Las Virgenes Road, came down that road and turned on the other side of Mulhulland going west.)  Anyway, I finally found the tiny lake.  It has houses built all around it, and in front of most of the houses are boats of different colors (lime green; orange; etc.)  The houses were all a different style, and I got the feeling they are fairly new there (?).  At the entrance to that lake area there is a special area where people could go and look at sample houses & then eventually buy their own lake front property.  There is a lot of building going on around there.

I drove around as much of the lake as I could access - it is partially blocked from private homes/streets.  I did look for that guardrail specifically and did not see it (most of the "guardrails" were white picketed fences).  I am thinking this lake is NOT the lake from the photo, although the mountains look similar.  Plus I was thinking the homes would appear in the photo.  I think Malibu Lake is too tiny, the lake in the photo is much larger.

I ventured up a tiny street called "Lookout Lane" (Lookout Street - something like that), and I was thinking GREAT, it will have a great view.  But in reality it was a deadend street and I got sort of stuck there, had to either back down the narrow steep road or try to turn around.  It was a bit harrowing, I'm sure all those people there are super nice but I am also sure they didn't want a stranger poking around in their tiny community.  I'm glad my brakes work.  :)

One thing that was striking that I wanted to mention:  There were a TON of motorcyclists all over the place.  On the PCH are the newer colorful bikes and the owners are wearing clothes that match the color of their bike.  But on these backroads were older men with the leather jackets, the older darker bikes (i.e. like Burgess's Yamaha), wearing the skull helmets where their neck is exposed.  Just a TON of motorcyclists there zooming all over the place - either loners, or in a pack.

Hope07

You're a doll for doing that.

I'm wondering if - there is a place I saw where they have weddings and I think it use to be a movie ranch (maybe it stilli is) - someone who knows that area knows where I'm talking about and they have a lake I saw in the background of one of the wedding pictures. I wonder if that could be the lake?

Pyamid lake, if I remember correctly is very deep... has speed boats and fishing. I have always wanted to go fishing there.

Drove around it with now ex.. about 1969.  It can be seen from I-5. Hope07
Now I understand why Monkeys worried about me... I worry about you.

As the news articles point out that Donna was in the bathroom because the man was acting "weird" more and more I doubt he took meant to take her home ie: IMO this was planned!

Hope07....As Anna mentioned to me, we should be careful. Hope, if you ever need someone to ride "shot gun" I'll help with the gas and could meet you somewhere. My car is limited. Ask Klaas for my email if you are interested. Things can get lonely on the roads during the week when everyone is at work. In the areas you are exploring. Many are not upscale, so to speak.. still conclave of baddies in that area as like in the city.

Malibu lake used to be really laid back type of homes.. then real estate went up in CA. I imagine they are having tear downs. Same as Lake Sherwood, farther out by Westlake.

Thank you for mentioning the name of the Blvd. Where you T'd there... Malibu State is on that road on the Ventura Fwy side, about 2 miles from the Fwy on that road going to Malibu.... This is the  park where the LAPD in a news article mentioned they had gone to search for some reason... it only mentioned they searched "wilderness trails".

You'd need a search team to search that park... many, many wilderness trails and even shaggy mountain goats.

If someone can earth google in on that lake, I'd appreciated it, not for finding the lake in the picture, for I think this lake is at ground level but for other reasons. It's been years and years since I have been there... but there was a higher road long the river. They may have closed off the, what was the main road, and used the higher on... It would have guard rails but on it, by now, for it was on the side of a curvy hill. Dukes of Hazard, MASH, the Ape move, How the West was Won (series), Swiss Family Robinson (series) was all filmed here.

As stated in the thread before... it was owned by 20 Century Fox then Reagans (part of it) Reagan gave his part to the state.. Had a really nice 1920-s ranch style house there. Hope they didn't tear it down.

Also google in on the smaller lake there that is leftish in the park... has a river coming/going to it.. big mountains around (big for here), a waterfall. Mountain appeared as a volcano on TV once.

Could be the old Paramount Ranch where they used to have the Medieval Fair and filmed Dr. Quinn. Think now is a park.

Kermit

In answer to you question lindam, from the posts made, seems to be doing research.

You know, looking back at that big aerial photo of the lake, I saw just a tiny bit of it (and it looked pretty tiny).  But now I see there is much more lake than what I saw.  But it looks like there aren't a lot of roads around the other side of the lake where JSB could have stopped and taken the photo next to his truck.  In any event, lindam knows more about where that photo was taken than anyone so if she says by Magic Mountain, that is where the photo was taken.

Thanks for the concern, I am a super safe person!

Hello Kermit and "Monkeys"
Reasoning for the post earlier.
A pilot friend of mine who is known for aerial photography around CA looked at this picture and believes almost 100% this is (Pyramid Lake) where the picture was taken of Burgess and Truck.
Hope07....Thank you for the information of your drive today. (IBE is concerned about you and we all want everyone to be careful). Kermit...great observation of the picture referring to the (maybe watch on Burgess arm). I will try to get this enlarged and check on this.

Burgess apparently met Jou on Craigslist.com and passed off another man's photo as his own.

He took the 241 toll road which is odd.

The 241 toll road is a pay for freeway and it connects to the 91 freeway.

It is faster to go down Los Alisos to the 5 freeway and then into LA.

The toll roads are usually less traveled though and that is why people like to use them.

If he used that road, I think there are cameras on them especially at the toll booths because if you do not have a fast track in your windshield, you have to go through the toll booth and pay.

I wonder if that has been checked. It would at the very least give some indication of part of the trip into LA
and if he returned that way.

(http://www.thetollroads.com/home/images/eastern_marshall.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/1086365538_188d25e0ee.jpg)
Lake Pyramid
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1296/1086304410_37f38c14d1.jpg)
Lake Pyramid

(http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif)
Malibu Lake



also He picked Donna up on Saturday, June 23 - there is not a lot of traffic on Saturdays on the 5 so why take the toll road and have to pay

IBE,

click on this site for trails and map
http://www.venturacountytrails.org/TrailMaps/MalibuCreek/AreaTrails.htm#Trailheads

Thought of the day:  If all he needs is $25K to get out of jail, his mom (the businesswoman) could probably come up with that amount of money.  If she doesn't have it in savings, she could take a cash advance off her credit cards.  But she isn't doing that.  Why?  I am not quite sure how bail money works, but it seems if the person skips town, the person loses their bail money.  The mom probably knows this about her son - she can't trust him to not skip town.  So she doesn't put up bail money.  This is a sign that even his mom doesn't have faith in him.

It may look faster on Mapquest but trust me it really isn't.  I would take the toll road to Rancho Santa Margarita myself, it drops you off right there.  The streets in Mission Viejo and the 5 freeway at the "Y" are always backed up.  241 would normally be faster.

not on a saturday

5 is usually fine, even if it bogs down around El Toro it opens up before you get to Irvine.
that 241 goes up to 91 freeway.

Kermit - good point about Saturday but the traffic just getting to the 5 from RSM might be bad.  241 would be a more interresting motorcycle ride.  Would also have some offramps that lead to more desolate areas. 

Maybe he wanted to impressive.

You never know how the 405 is going to be at any day, at any hour. I think I have heard it is one of the most disliked freeways in CA!

Oh great, more desolate areas. This man was really all around.

Am happy about LAPD and Orange County Sheriff's.. if he is now classified as a "suspect" they must have something on him...(was confused over witness vs. suspect in Aruba, now it does mean in CA... changing from "person of interest" to "suspect" is meaning some kind of evidence???)

Yippee for Donna and her family... I want to meet Donna. TES searches for and finds people alive... TV covers the other searchers more. I guess more news bite and ratings.

I was also thinking maybe she gave him directions. Traffic is not a problem for a guy on a motorcycle. They just zoom in between the cars.

So my thinking is that she made it to the party in LA at his rental home, but where did he take her after the party?
Most sexual offenders will fall back on their cycle of patterns. I say he took her to a place he is familiar with, knew it would be isolated giving him control. Maybe the investigators have researched her cell phone to see where that phone text msg to her mother was from.

The news articles I read somewhere, maybe in the Orange Co. Register or ??? said the text message came from near or in the area of his house.

If the family is going to have a demonstration in front of the courthouse at 8:am, I think Burgess will be inside by then.  If the (main) purpose of the demonstration is for Burgess to see the signs as he rides by and realize there are people missing Donna (so he should say where she is), I imagine they will transport him from the jail to the courthouse early (7:am) because they don't want to arrive late and they don't want any chaos to mess anything up.  Just a thought.

LAKE IRVINE - JUST OFF THE 241 TOLL ROAD - ABOUT 15-20 MIN MAX FROM RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/LakeIrvine.jpg)

Monkeys,

Please check his LAPD web page:  (you can access it through the www.donnajou.com site)

Is he out of jail?  I don't understand what I am seeing there.  It looks like he is out.

I hope they inserted an electronic tracking device on his body somewhere, because he is going to run for the borders (in my opinion).

Yes, it looks like he was released on bail early this morning:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/Burgess082907.png)

Wow.  This really disgusts me.  I have been following every day and I cannot believe they have let this "man" post bail.  What an injustice to Donna and her family.

This is really bad. Just so unfair to the family........I hope LE stays lurking in the shadows
and watches every move this perp makes. If not LE then someone.......if he doesn't flee
he is bound to try and tie up loose ends.

This is the worst news of the day.   :-x  I notice how it says next court date September 5th....gee think he'll still be around???!!!  Sickening.

Is this a coincidence or what - I found this posted at an old Natalee site and look at the posters nic





sinjin said...

    el diario is the news of arubans aruba today is news for expats and rich folk. jule is no poplar lady in aruba with arubans just with dutch.
    7/30/2005 4:23 AM
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Suspect in Missing Student Case Released on Bail
Jou Family Distraught
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5617724

You can watch a video at that link

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Hello My Monkey Friends!

I know I've been gone awhile, and I really can't stay but just a few minutes.   I truly wanted to help in the search for Donna, but something unexpected came up that makes me helpless in this case, or any case for that matter.

You all are doing a fantastic job in helping in the search for Donna and trying to help the Jou family. I wish I could come to the courthouse on 9/05, but it's impossible for me at this time.

I can't believe they let the POS out on bail! He's just going to disappear like before. Oh my gosh, I'm in shock! Oh, and he painted his truck!? Like perps change their appearance?

I want justice for Donna and her family, I WANT HER FOUND!

I thought these links might be of interest in your search for where that photo was taken. Do they help? On the left side of the third link are other lakes etc around So. Calif.

http://www.irwd.com/AboutIRWD/irvine_lake.php

http://irvinelake.net/irv/vt.php?t=3

http://www.rockymountainrec.com/lakes/lake-silverwood.htm

I'll try and stop in from time to time. I may not be of much help, but I am interested in what you all find out. We CAN NOT just let Donna disappear without a trace and the last person seen with her, get away with it!

IF and when things settle down for me on the home-front, I'll be in touch and IF the case is still not solved, I'd like to help then.

Take care friends and good luck,
fran

I'm trying to find the guy on the sex offender registries (Megan's Law).  They said he has 5 days after he is released to register.  It isn't the fifth day yet, but I'm trying to find his previous notation on the registries.  I searched in Florida, the states surrounding Florida, Texas, Arizona, and CA, but no luck.  In a couple of days I will search again to find his current registry.  I'm hoping someone is tailing him, or he has to check in once a day, or something.  This entire thing is nuts and very backwards.  I don't understand anything that is going on.  (i.e. he is out of jail probably drinking a margarita on his favorite Mexican beach)  On the other hand, the family members who put up the $25K may be keeping their eye on him to make sure he shows up on Wednesday so they can get their money back.  They know him for how he is, they are going to want their money back.

Sign the petition / Spread the word / Pass it on

From Donna's family:

Hello to everyone and we do hope this email finds you doing well.
 
Thank you to everyone for all the prayers and support in our search for Donna. We are having difficulties in our search for Donna and need everyone's help. This Petition is Very Important to help begin a complete search for Donna. Law Officials have denied Texas Equu Search to help conduct a search for Donna. Texas Equu Search has offered their help to Law Officials on several occasions and Now we have to ask again through this petition for help to search for Donna. Time is very crucial and two months have passed and we still have not been able to search for Donna. Please help by passing this Petition to everyone you know. We Need This Search!
John Steven Burgess was in jail for failing to register as a sex offender but now he is bonded out. He was named a suspect in Donna's Missing case but no charges have been filed. Burgess is still not talking to police. His next court date is September 5, 2007 in LA and the family is planning a "Justice for Donna March" outside the courthouse that morning at 8:00 am. Please keep Donna and the family in your prayers. Once again thank you and we appreciate all your help.
 
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/search-for-donna-jou.html
 
 
Congressman Nick Lampson ( who founded the Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, which helped create the national Amber Alert system. This is now the largest bi-partisan caucus in Congress with near equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats) and his staff are in contact with Reza (Donna's Father) and has stated his support to the family in regards of the search for Donna.
 
You can read about Donna at www.donnajou.com
and learn more about Texas Equu Search at www.texasequusearch.org.

I am happy to say I signed it and passed it along to all on my email list. 

I too signed and passed the url onto Websleuths and a group of teachers through my daughter-in-law. We need to get this petition rolling!

Hopefully, we will make a difference!

fran

I hope so too Fran.  This case is so tragic on so many levels.  Sometimes, I really find myself wondering where we are living, earth or the twilight zone.  :roll:

Too bad it wasn't a bondsman that posted the bond... they don't let you stiff them.... what a crock that he was even released...

I am sputtering mad.  Even though I don't post much, I am here everyday reading...

Monkeys,

Keep looking for clues, don't stop.  Where could Donna be?

Can his mom be charged with something?  (helping hide a fugitive, for example)

Does anyone know who is the prosecutor on this case? Is it a "Burgess vs. State of CA (or) City of LA" case for the sex offender registration part?

From July 2005:


ActionHero

I Am Too Lazy To Register
(7/20/05 8:46 am)


 that bastardly act
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Sinjin Stevens is his name. He formed a fantasy football group last year in which I was a part. I played hard all year long, and stood second place. My winnings - a cool $300. He has not given me the money yet. At first he said he is short of cash and he will give it to me when he has the cash in a couple of months. The scum didn't.
Now when I call him, he says he has moved to florida and can't return the money. BUT...on craigslist (it's a great site all of you should check it out) he still posts ad for forming a fantasy football league for this years season.
That bastard. If I don't get some people to beat him up, i'll simply smash up his car....divine justice it would be. 
http://p067.ezboard.com/falexlosangelesfrm1.showPrevMessage?topicID=1875.topic

So, was he living in CA a few years ago?  Do we know where he got the 2002 thing (beating up his girlfriend/wife...?); where he was in 2003 (sex offender on the 14 year old girl); and from 03-07?  Is there any way to find that out?

Because I am wondering:  If he lived in CA before, he would have contacts & know the areas...  But if he just moved here in fall 06, then he knows only what he discovered in those months he was living on Faris Drive.

Why was the bond reduced from 1 million to $250,000 of which 10% gets him out on bail and that is a cheap amount of money to get a loved one out of jail. So it's cash... so that's even a better way to skip town.

When I heard he was a suspect, I thought the LAPD, OC Sheriff's had some evidence on him... but then would the bail be so low?

If he likes to bet, I wonder what he thinks the odds are of him appearing in Court Sept. 5th?

Any one want to wager...ROBOTS... where's the farm???? :lol:

This whole deal is so sad for Donna and her family. I hope it won't turn into another Natalee Holloway case.  just poof! old boys network, egos, not enough manpower, not enough time or caring

Here is a screen shot from Burgess's bands cached Myspace site:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:KoB00ijnbCEJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D110426307+%22sinjins+saints%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SinjinMyspace.jpg)

It was a Friday – the 13th to be exact – when John Steven Burgess arrived in St. Augustine, Fla., last month, dropped off by his mother on the doorstep of Heather Harley-Davidson’s posh waterfront inn.

His ex-girlfriend was stalking him, and he needed a place to hide out for a while, Patricia Berdet had explained to the innkeeper, who also happened to be her soon-to-be sister-in-law. In exchange, Steven – that’s what she called him - would help out around the inn, promised Berdet. They were just like family…

From the Myspace site for the band - band members:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SJband2.jpg)


Note:  J. BERDET .....Burgess's mother's name is Patricia Berdet.  Could J. Berdet be Burgess's step brother? 

J.Berdet - JAX'S (Jacksonville's) celebration dictation, pal from pal-a-tka, fla (Palatka, Florida)


If Burgess killed Donna Jou, he may have had assistance from a family member living with him (J.Berdet).

Is J. Berdet = Jesus Berdet?

GOOD EYE, KLAASEND!!!!   :P

If you google "Jesus Berdet", you will see this Sinjin Saints band page on the list, and it lists J. Berdet as "aka Jesus", so that must be him.  It also says "Satans nephew Sinjin".  Maybe Jesus is Patricia's brother, John's uncle?  In any event, family is family and I hope the police are questioning Jesus!

On another note:  I don't seem to have a 2007 or 2006 phone book around here so I need to find one to look these people up.  But on www.whitepages.com SINJIN STEVENS in LOS ANGELES, CA comes up.  You have to pay money to get more info, but if the prosecutor needs more evidence to place him in LA as his residence for the trial this Wednesday, this is another source.

www.intelius.com also places John S. Burgess in Los Angeles, CA.  Must pay for more information.

AREAS OF INTEREST WHEN TES COMES IN TO SEARCH FOR DONNA JOU
(in my opinion only)

The following map and the areas, themselves, are purely my creation and ideas for areas of interest for TES  when they come in to search. IMO (in my opinion only)

Tim Miller, director and founder of TES, http:www.texasequusearch.org, a search and rescue team for both those alive and deceased, mentioned to me that she might be near where last place the person of interest. lately, according to media articles, named suspect by LAPD, John Steven Burgess, (sinjin) lived.(green arrow in one of the maps)

The Areas along the RR tracks, some places have no tracks, are divided into Areas A,B,C and D. AREA A IS VERY DETAILED SO WILL the last one posted.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/newerbettermapsend_jpg.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/1000feetworkfinallygood.jpg)

Area B is with 1- 1 1/2 blocks of the house. Area A, C and D are within aprx.. a mile of the house.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/goodaerialdone.jpg)

The street runs 2 very short blocks. It starts just 1/2 block south of  the RR area with no tracks that // the I-10 Fwy (Santa Monica (E/W) freeway in Areas A and B.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/aerialofbcd2.jpg)

It ends about 2 blocks north of Venice Blvd. Venice Blvd. divides Los Angeles Westside (an area called Palms) with Culver City.

Palms has more apartment complexes than homes. A typical 1 BR without a pool runs $1200. House rentals might be around $2400 + -.

When reading be sure to remember Area A is across from homes, but hardly any traffic at night. Area B has none. Area C has major streets around it, so hardly ever traveled, has vacant land, boarded up buildings and Area D had vacant land and boarded up buildings.

AREA B

Overview where house is (very old map... Bagley goes under the freeway.. just a flat area of dirt now)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/Faris1copy.jpg)

THE HOUSE

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/Feris5copy.jpg)

AREA B IS THE closest to the house starts about 1 1/2 blocks east. The aerial pictures are old. There are no longer any cars there as you can see by the camera pictures.

Going north from house

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/rrtractsjustnorthofhousea.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/totherta.jpg)

turning right and about 1 block is Area B starts with the closed in area

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/closerrcoveredcopy.jpg)

the aerial is old... there are second rectangle of cars.. just dirt

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/areadriveintob.jpg)

Huge areas of nothing

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/lookingbkcopy.jpg)

It's a dirt and cemented, very dark, desolate, lonely "road" between the back of stores and the freeway. It an open gate to the softer soil along the freeway, a hut, a dead end fenced gate at Venice Blvd. You could be blocked in back there, scream and no one would hear you. Not only because it's very lonely but from the freeway noise. Local residents who have lived here for decades that I have asked where would you hid a body tell me Area B and D.

open gate to the softer soil along the freeway

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/gateopencopy.jpg)

Remember this aerial is old.. here are very few cars left farther on down. These are the areas of the open gate into the green area along the off ramp... notice the paths.

There's a hut there toward the right.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/startingdowncopycopy.jpg)

more desolate the "road" continues

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/turnaroundbackcopy.jpg)

 A jog can be seen in the fence line

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/atendcopya.jpg)

and is shown in this aerial
at the end of this place is a "J"-shaped jog which dead ends at a locked, fenced gate at Venice Blvd behind a shopping area.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/tostreeta.jpg)

You could be anyplace in AREA B and scream.. No one would hear you because 1) no one is there, and 2) even if there isn't much traffic on the freeway, the noise of the freeway is there.

You have to turn around, for you are blocked at Venice Blvd. with a locked gate.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/turnaroundbackcopy.jpg)

Look at the area where the gate opens up to all the paths and hidey holes between the "road" and the freeway

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/areadriveintob.jpg)

Coming back out here is another view. His house would be past the end of the gray building

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/justbeforeoutcopy.jpg)

Back on Exposition and aprx. 1 1/2-2 blocks to his home would be where the 2nd white car is

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/AREA%20B%20FINAL/out_backcopycopya.jpg)

AREA C starts, as the crow flies, across from the gated fence at Venice Blvd.
about 2 minutes away and AREA D is an extension of it.


Thank you to Mentor Klaas

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5823823

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BaylorSinjin.jpg)

Here is Baylor's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74907553

IBE I have just dropped in to this thread to commend you on all the work and effort you have put into this project.  I have followed your posts all the way through this case and I think you are a very brave and dedicated lady.

I am sure it would have been a great advantage if you had been on the ground in Aruba when Natalee vanished.

Take care

AREAS OF INTEREST WHEN TES COMES IN TO SEARCH FOR DONNA JOU

The following map and the areas, themselves, are purely my creation and ideas for areas of interest for TES when they come in to search. IMO (in my opinion only)

Tim Miller, director and founder of TES, http:www.texasequusearch.org, a search and rescue team for both those alive and deceased,  mentioned to me that she might be near where last place the person of interest. lately named suspect by LAPD, John Steven Burgess, (sinjin) lived.

He had a storage unit next to the vacant lot (on map). The lot now has construction.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/goodaerialdone.jpg)

AREAS C and D are in Culver City and owned by Culver City
Would be an extension of the gated fence at the end of Area B, if the tracks still went through there.
AREAS B, C, D are very spooky at night and also in the daytime.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/aerialofbcd2.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/newerbettermapsend_jpg.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/1000feetworkfinallygood.jpg)

Culver City Redevelopement Agency bought all of AREAS C and D (same as City Council) for a proposed LA Metro light rail station that ended up in the future to be about 4 blocks southeast.
So Areas C and D have vacant land and boarded up buildings. Have heard the rumor that Area D has been sold to a developer in the last month or so.

AREA C is the bottom street of the triangle street
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/goodviewofvacantareas.jpg)

AREA C is surrounded by main streets and hardly anyone goes there day or night. A motorcycle. scooter some kind of place is at the triangle corner. So someone with a motorcycle that lived nearby would probably know of this place and travel down this lonely street... as you could speed or drift and no one would know.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/areascanddwithlabels.jpg)

Then an extremely interesting vacant lot, with a hut behind a motel. No one would see you there at night or at other places on this street.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/thelotonFstreet-1done.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/justrtonFstreetdone.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/bougainvillaonFstreetdone.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/FstreetrtRRnorthcopydone.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/moreonFstreetcopydone.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/fsteastvacant1309copy.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/vlotrtFstreet.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaC/fRRdone.jpg)

At the end of AREAS C and the beginning of AREA D there is a garden center kitty-corner from the Keystone Cops tad of grass.. called "The Jungle". The building is actually over, as far as I could see, over the former RR track area. This is where I found the giant canna.

I started taking over 300 pictures July 24th for I was/am really T-d off that no search is being done for Donna Jou as her father has requested TES to come in. So far, from news articles, they say law enforcement (LAPD) in the Areas of A and B have refused. AREAS A AND B in Los Angeles may still be owned by Southern Pacific or bought by LA Metro Transit.

AREAS C and D are in Culver City... I don't know if they have been approached. Culver City is a very nice, sort of mid-western value city of 40,000 and has Nationally high ranked fire, police, dedicated City Officials and residents. It would have been much different if the party would have been held in Culver City!

Out of gloom... one can find pretty
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/orangecannagiant.jpg)

The cross streets between AREA C and D are National Blvd. and Washington Blvd. Another storage unit is near by.

At the corner between AREA C and AREA D is a very small grass area dedicated to the Keystone Cops where their films were made before the car dealerships, now a vacant, boarded up area.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/keystoncopsvacantpklot1368copy.jpg)

AREA D is the second place, other than AREA B that some the locals say they could hid a body, I guess if so inclined.

AREA D is almost a 2 square block area of vacant land, board up buildings and very spooky places. One of the buildings used to be the Harley-Davidson shop.

This was the fastest picture I took out of my car. I did not have a good feeling in many places... this was one, maybe for the windows are either black or knocked out and it was at the end of one of the cul-de-sacs that border the vacant/boarded up area.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/windowsoutspookycopy.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/vacantarches1341copy.jpg)
 
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/brownvacant1342copy.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/mazdacopy1Sm.jpg)

Found a beautiful area called Kenneth Hahn State Regional park off of La Cienega Blvd. just outside about a mile east of AREA D. Has a lake for fishing (trout, catfish, no less) wilderness trails, great views, even of oil fields, oil pumps and a Japanese Garden.

This picture is dedicated to Tim Miller of TES, Red, Mrs. Red, Klaas, all the Good Monkeys, Donna, Natalee.... all who suffer. May there be Peace, and Justice and some reason for all of this.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/areaD/lotus.jpg)

Thank you Scared Monkeys!

WOW IBE! Thank you for being so dedicated to Donna and her family.

Ego's need to be let go of and they have to let TES do their thing.  Of course we don't know what is going on behind the scenes but you have been in alot of areas since this has happened and I don't see one pic of a cop car. Or any car for that matter.

AND they let the idiot out? WTH are they thinking? I guess they aren't.

BE SAFE IBE!! And don't stop fighting the fight.

IBE,
you are one of the heroes here at Scared Monkeys. Your work is very much appreciated. Thanks.

About police cars... more police are needed in Los Angeles, just too large of an area, too much crime, too much gangs, family disruptions, illegals

When I lived there I'd have to lie to get them there faster and say "should I load my gun"... or " just saw a shadow"..

Where I live now in a smaller town... where both the Police and Fire have one the top National Awards... they come unless major, and I mean major reason not to. They are down to earth more and smile more, but so is this city.

I am very honored that my Monkey peers appreciated what I have done. It's something I would have like to have done for Natalee, but freespeech comes at a high price in Aruba and there isn't a democracy, freedoms of human dignity, human rights and just plain safety we take for granted her.

I say to the dog that goes with me and my neighbor sometimes  WE are on a sock monkey trip.

Am taking a sock money tomorrow... don't know if he will sit on top of the round small cooler I have with ice and my juice.. have a military fold out stool to sit on... want to take pictures too.

Got to go... only 6 hrs more

I missed all the demonstrations during Vietman..was an AF officer's wife  and before that went to a university where we had to study so hard, didn't have time and effort left.

Love ya,  I'll be there tomorrow for all of you and Natalee too

Justice for Donna and if not... let's find out why?????

IBE - Just wanted to wish you much success today.  I pray that Donna and her family and friends will have justice. 

Hopefully LE and the powers that be will see just how important this is.

Still wondering myself if the subhuman will even show up.

IBE,

FANTASTIC WORK!

Send it all to TES, the family and the Sheriff's dept in Orange County and LA.

Has anyone heard if he showed up yet?  I'm going nuts waiting to hear what happened!!! :roll:

Ok I had to answer my own question and the answer really upsets me.  Burgess is now free until October 10th....his trial was postponed......gee, wonder where he'll be by then.
Check it out
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_248160920.html

At the Los Angeles Muni Courthouse, east of LAX at La Cienega and Imperial.

There were about 30 family and friends with great professional signs and a banner. You could tell from their manner and friendliness that they all missed and loved Donna.

At first we were at the back of the building then asked to move to the front.

At the front I met Hope07!!! We hugged and it was so nice to meet another Monkey.... my first time to do so! Lots of people thanks us and Scared Monkeys for the work. Some asked us what SM was and we told them.

Gloria Allred stepped out of a car and I didn't know she was there for Donna!

Then we were asked to move around again, the same direction we had come from where there were microphones set up for an interview with Ms. Allred. She read a prepared statement and then I think there were questions from the press.

(I had mentioned with I kept running into the NBC, Ch. 4 reported that she might be interested in why LAPD wouldn't allow Texas EquuSearch into search.) I quickly wrote that question on one of the signs.. and tried to get it placed for all cameras.

Donna's father was crying during her talk. Then he said some thing and then Donna's mom and brother.

We could not hear what was said but were very vocal shouting.. "Justice for Donna", "Search for Donna" when she wasn't talking.

I kept looking for Hope07 for I thought we could go for coffee.

Ms. Allred said she, Donna's mom and dad were going into the Courthouse to see why Burgess's court date had been put back to Oct. 10.

They left to go into the Courthouse and more press trucks showed up. A LA County Sheriff came out and asked us to move to the street. Said it was a Court order.

The group started to move... and I must say... it was confusing where the sidewalk was to get there; and the group wasn't spring-chickens.

A sheriff's van was going out and yelled into his speaker that we were blocking the small access street to the Courthouse. Actually everyone was moving down to La Cienega... the sidewalk was very narrow on this access street and couldn't fit everyone... ... the street is small and there's a building being constructed there, so is confusing.... about 25 seconds later I could see a sheriff on foot was radioing someone... and my vibs picked up on he didn't think the group was moving fast enough. I walked over to him and joked about "they were from Orange Country and didn't know their way around" for I was afraid he was calling for backup and he was.

I turned around behind me and here are about 6 more sheriffs, men and women, walking in back of us, horizontally, across the small access street i like we were the baddies and being chased off. Everything was very orderly... as if your family and friends were there for a rally for Justice for Donna... I think the sheriff's were responding like they would to a more "protesting group"

There were very nice, professional and smiling once we got to La Cienega.

Another media truck arrived and couldn't get a shot from La Cienega because of the gas company repairs in the middle of the street, so drove up on the "lawn" of the Courthouse.

The sheriffs said nothing... I had been awake all night. Couldn't sleep for I had never been in a "protest" before.

The signs: "Justice for Donna" with black printing and yellow background
a split one, black on white.. with 1/2 having a picture of Donna and asking "where is she"
another split one with her picture on 1/2 and Burgess on the other.. Org. it had said "wanted" (I think) and that was whited out.
there might have been another sign showing Burgess and asking "where is Donna'

Anyway, I felt very welcome... lots of people thanked Scared Monkeys and Monkeys for the Thread, dedication and interest. One or two didn't know there was such a thing and thought it was a great idea.

I was sorry I didn't get to talk to Hope07 more.

The rally went on, at street side and when I was coming back to my car which was at the back of the Courthouse which looked like the front of the Courthouse, there was some other press there and mics set up. They said Ms. Allred was coming back with a statement after being in the Courthouse to see what was going on.

I thanked all the reporters and camera men and women

I walked away still holding my sign... a duh... and walked back to the group. There were so nice and thankful to everyone who came out. They asked me if I would be there Oct 10 and I said I would. I also talked to some about TES and reminded them that TES searches for those still alive too.

Personally, I am so happy that Gloria Allred is on this for Donna. Now I don't think the Justice for Donna (and search) will be put on the back burner anymore.

I doubt her services are for free but I would think very worth every penny!

While I was there, I was happy we were doing this in a democracy like the USA vs. Aruba... we weren't afraid. How much I wished this could have happened for Natalee Holloway.

Oh no.  That is BAD news. :smt011

the plumber knocked on the door and I posted the last post without running it through a spelling check.. sorry

I've contacted Ms. Gloria Allred.
IBE you've done a terrific job and maybe this will help find Donna.

a Great Job from all of us here. Kermit, Let us know what you find out, please. I am very confused as to why a new court date and what progress, if at all, has been done to search for her.

It was nice to meet IBE today!  I had to leave by 8:30 (had an appt. at 9am), and I didn't want to call attention the fact I was leaving so I slipped out.  I was happy to meet Mr. Reza, he seems like a very nice man.  I too am VERY happy Gloria Allred is on the case - I like her A LOT! 

I am always available to go for coffee, IBE!  Just get my contact info from whomever (the administrator).

I was also happy to meet the young woman who lived for 2 weeks with Burgess back in 2003 when he lived on Rose Ave. near Overland.  He was pulling the same scams back then (renting out spaces in a house to innocent international people who didn't know any better).  He told the incoming women they all had to have sex with him (this young woman refused; she realized he was crazy and a creep and left after only 2 weeks).

Will tell more in a bit...

Thanks for going today IBE and Hope07. I am glad you were there to support the Jou family.

YEAH to IBE for getting the word out about TES not being allowed to search. Did you and your sign make the news?

Yes, IBE.. I hope this family knows how tirelessly you have been working for them.. and you are amazing and I am in awe of all you do!

So, I met this young woman who lived for two weeks in a house Burgess was renting back in 2003.  I hope it is okay I repeat this story she told me, it is just WEIRD (but telling of his personality).  He used to pick up stray cats in the neighborhood, take them in, bathe them, comb them, clean them up.  Then he would get on a fancy cat web page, pose as an exotic cat breeder from another country, and sell these cats for big bucks ($500...$1500).  The people bought the cats, and when they got the cats home, they found out that, not only were the cats common cats, but many were sick with feline leukemia or FIV.  When this young woman pointed out to Burgess that what he was doing was wrong, he would say "you gotta make a living somehow".

She also told me about her friend who was living there also.  This friend has since gone missing (too), but it isn't a clear-cut obvious case like Donna's b/c the other woman does not have immediate close family.   She told the police about her missing friend so LE is aware of this other potentially-missing young woman.

Wow - I sure hope LE is keeping an eye on Burgess.  It would sicken me if he took off before his court date.

I could see sign above the banner on the 30 second clip on TV this afternoon... otherwise I held it in front of my face.

When you have important information like what the roommate said and the missing roommate without a family, please email it to:
Jim Amormino, Spokesman for Orange County Sheriffs Department.

It seems reasonable that OCSD and LAPD would be sharing information.

714-647-7042    fax714-647-6170

Donna Muleady, is his secretary.
His email keeps coming back so his Secretary gave me her email to use and she would make sure he got it.

<dmuleady@ocsd.org>

Great info Hope07!

Mrs. Red, thanks, but it's all because I became frustrated when LAPD said no for TES coming in and searching.

Maybe they will change their minds :lol: :lol:

Hi IBE,

So, should we email all this information to Donna Muleady, such as, Jesus BERDET was in the band with "Sinjin" and so they should investigate that connection, find out what Jesus knows?  The young lady today said she told her story to Detective Salcedo - is he OC or LAPD?  And she told me Burgess had a good buddy who (in 2003) was a plumber working for Rota-Rooter, but she couldn't remember his name.

Did the people who bought the cats file a lawsuit, I wonder?  Or the guy who participated in the fantasy football and was ripped off by Burgess?  Or the Russian/Bulgarian roommates - did they file a civil lawsuit against Burgess?  There should be a laundry list of offenses and another list of people who have been ripped off by this guy.  They should band together and make his lawyer work a bit harder...

I feel like there is so much information going around, plus LE has their own basket of information they are keeping private.  Is anyone keeping a central log of all this information?   :-?  Does any one person know everything there is to know about this case?  Are LAPD and OCPD sharing info?

Hi all!  Has anyone heard why they moved the court date?  I am trying to figure out why they let him out on bail when he is a high flight risk.

This is the US not Aruba (sorry couldn't resist that! :lol:)

Send info like the Natalee Thread does... to MSM (Main Stream Media like Geraldo, Greta, Nancy Grace, Bill OReilly, local TV stations) and to Orange County; LAPD, TES, heavens to Ms. Allred's office too.

My basic belief in Law Enforcement says they are sharing info until I am told or the facts show otherwise.

Maybe with Ms. Allred there will be fire where there was just smoke. TES needs to come in and search... even if nothing is found... it shows where they don't need to search the next time. I hope I am making sense here.

I would think LE reads here as probably some baddies too.

Once you get the Monkey on your back, it's more difficult to remove it :smt052

IBE and Hope - you guys are awesome! I know Donna's family appreciates it.

That is nice that people write nice things (thank you!), but I personally feel very dissatisfied.  Taking time out of my life to go to a demonstration is nothing in comparison with what the family is suffering.  Driving through the Santa Monica mountains to look around is nothing in comparison with what Donna may be experiencing.

Personally I will not be satisfied until Donna is found.  She is *somewhere* in *some condition* (hopefully still with air in her lungs, a pulse, and thoughts in her head).  The #1 focus is finding Donna.  The #2 focus is bringing to justice whoever put her in that situation.  Those are just my thoughts.

Another thought:  It is good these boards exist.  It is positive that people share their thoughts, feelings, ideas, get things off their chest.  It is good to "demystify" everything - demystify the legal process, demystify Burgess, figure out everything so we (and the family) aren't in the dark, alone wondering what is going on.  What is that expression about more heads are better than one?  Strength in numbers ~~

Keep asking questions.  Keep imagining and trying to figure out possible answers, possible scenarios, possible places Donna may be.  What could have happened that night of June 23-24?  Where could Donna be now?  (She is either alive or not alive.  If she is alive, where could she be?  If she is not alive, where could she be?)  Don't be content with the numbing answers LE may be telling the public to get people to quiet down, go away and forget about this case.  Don't be satisfied until Donna is found.

 :smt052

Optimism reigns.   :P

Just thought you all should know that!

Here is the petition to LAPD, LASD, OCSD and State of California for the search for Donna..... every day evidence is covered up by time, construction, clean up crews and nature


Category: Justice
Region: United States of America
Target:  LAPD, LASD, OCSD and State of California
Web site: http://www.donnajou.com
Description/History:
Donna Jou age 19 has been missing since June 23, 2007 and family and friends have requested for a search to be done.

 Law Enforcement has declined any outside help from Search Teams stating they had no place to start a search. The Family of Donna Jou is wanting a search and help from outside sources (Texas Equu Search).

 The more evidence found, the faster Justice can be served on Donna's behalf.
Petition:
The Family, Friends and Concerned Supporters of Donna Jou are asking again for Law Enforcement and the State of California to allow TEXAS EQUU SEARCH to begin a Search for Donna.

 It is has now been over two months since Donna was last seen June 23, 2007. We plead our concerns of how important it is to search for Donna Jou. The Family needs peace and this search will bring more hope to the family and possibly strong evidence to Donna's case and Most of All Possibly bring Donna Home. John Steven Burgess is named a suspect in Donna's case but is not talking and was the last known person Donna was seen with. Mr. Burgess is awaiting his court date regarding him not registering as a Sex Offender in California. He has not been charged with DONNA'S Missing Case.

 These facts show that we need a SEARCH to bring Donna home. We should not have to wait any longer. Please allow the search team to conduct a search.

 Mr. John Steven Burgess was allowed to walk the streets in California "undetected" and not registered as a Sex Offender which State Law requires so our plea is to please allow TEXAS EQUU SEARCH to walk your streets to Find DONNA JOU.

Monkeys, please go to this site... help is needed ASAP
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/search-for-donna-jou.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/search-for-donna-jou.html)

Thanks IBE!

As a parent of an adult missing child...I would not settle for not allowing a search to be completed.  Can LE really prevent the search???

I know exactly what you mean Carolyn!  I feel for her parents having to put up the lousy excuse 'they don't know where to start.'  I am sure TES does, they would at least start.  No wonder why people get frustrated with Law Enforcement.

Parents Ask For Help At Campus Vigil For Missing Coed

POSTED: 6:26 am PDT September 13, 2007
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/14104989/detail.html

Video of Donna's dad in San Diego:

http://www.10news.com/video/14102710/index.html

The name Saint John is pronounced Sinjin

Someone asked about  =D
The equal sign means long nose. I assume a long nose means a liar.
capital D means laugh.

The 5 freeway to the 10 is a direct route right to Burgess house.

So why did he get on the 241 toll road?

a. She [Donna] gave him those directions maybe
b. He already planned a different route for some reason, for later when he brought her back, he had checked areas that are isolated.

The Chiquita area is not that traveled, and probably even less at night. What better way then to lure her back on his motorcycle telling her he will take her home now and her feeling relief that she was on her way home. To have him
pull off the road into one of these desolate areas that a motorcycle could easily travel down, more so than a truck.

(http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/06/15schiquita_info.gif)
THIS AREA CAN BE VERY ISOLATED - especially at night
(http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/06/15schiquita1_lg.jpg)

Hi Kermit, super sleuth

Great idea!

I have something for you to think about and maybe you have seen some news articles what spell the action or lack of action of the boat at San Pedro Harbor and would share it.

I remember your great picture of the San Pedro dock area.

Was telling a friend of mine who grew up in Seattle.. and told her the police said the boat didn't leave the harbor.. She said... well, that doesn't mean it didn't leave the dock!

Have you seen it spelled out that it didn't leave the dock??? The San Pedro Harbor is so large.

Read somewhere the police searched around where the tool box was found and also wilderness areas in Malibu State Park.. wonder if they got that idea from his computer. The news article said he loved wilderness areas.

 :D :D :D  Well thank God for that!!!  Great News. :D :D :D

Well it's about time.  I hope they find something.  This has been a horribly long fight to get them there.  PRAYERS

Thank God someone came to their senses and agreed to let TES come and do their thing.  I hope Burgess is shaking in his shoes. I also hope someone is keeping an eye on him.

IBE and Hope07---Please keep us updated.  Kudos to you guys for your part in this!!!  Be safe!

I have a friend who spends his weekends on a boat in that San Pedro place.  I asked him what type of security is there - would the harbor master (or whoever is in charge of that place) know if a boat exited the docking place?  He said no, there isn't anything.  There isn't any security or cameras.  I mean, he might not know exactly all the security devices since he only goes there and visits.  How can authorities know for sure 100% certainty when a boat comes or goes?  I know with Homeland Security things *must* have been tightened up, but I wonder what security measures there are there at that place?  Do the boats that have a permanent slip (or parking spot) there have some sort of electronic device that monitors their comings and goings? 

It is great news that TES is on their way!!!  Thanks to IBE, Kermit, Klaas and everyone else for all their super-sleuthing.   With all the wonderful maps and indications you have all found TES's job will be a bit easier.   :P

And where is his motocycle?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Donna%20Jou/bluetruck.jpg)


SHIPYARD AT SAN PEDRO
(http://www.marinesource.com/sanpedroyacht/sanpedro.jpg)


(http://www.columbia-yachts.com/col43/col43concord.jpg)


(http://www.columbia-yachts.com/col43/seaquest.jpg)

(http://www.columbia-yachts.com/col50/condor50.jpg)


(http://www.cheoyleeassociation.com/Owners/Members%20Photos/Hen%20Frigate.jpg)

Great News!

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038

Let's not forget the help of Hope007 and all the Good Monkeys. Keep your finger's crossed.

Nice info about the SP Harbor.

Thanks kermie1 Saved me the trouble of trying to scan some old pics -- if I found them first.

I spent a lot of business time in the area -- '93 to '97 and again early 2001. The 'Cabrillo Marina ' Doubletree was my hotel of choice:-) Right on the marina.

Hope07 -- I do think the harbor master would have records of any ship entering or existing the actual 'entrance' to the harbor. It is the Port Of LA. The harbor is beyond huge. Cruise ships. Container ships. Loading and  unloading of trains. Trucks. And automobiles.

And I don't remember the rules -- but iirc, anything of a certain size or designation, had to have an escort (coast guard, I think) to and from the harbor entrance.

I KNOW 'some sort of radar' existed prior to 9-11. Of anything entering or exiting the harbor.  I can only imagine it became more strict afterwards.

But I don't know if there would be any record if you stayed within the harbor.

If that makes any sense.

Hi everyone,

I've been following every bit of news that I can get on finding Donna.  Her disappearance has really gotten to me.  I didn't know her, but I live in Orange County and have a daughter around that age.  I can't imagine what her family is going through.  Like many of you, I'm hoping for the best and pray that she's somehow miraculously found alive and well.

I've also done my share of searching for information on low life Burgess.  Last night I was checking out the forum posts on myspace for musicians, for any sign of him.  I stumbled upon something that I'm finding very disturbing and wanted to get your thoughts.

I'm hesitant to put this link on here cause I'm not exactly sure what this picture is or means.  It probably has no connection at all, but I can't know that for sure.

Anyway, please follow this link to this bands myspace page.  It's the background image that I'm talking about.  It's very hard to see the image because of all of the type on top of it, unless you scroll down the page just past the picture of Betty Boop on a motorcycle outlined in purple.  There is very little type over the image there and you can see it clearer.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=216455603

Thanks,http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=216455603 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=216455603)

L

Shearerluck - welcome to Scared Monkeys!  I'll check it out right now.  Thanks!

Shearerluck - how does this band link to Sinjin?  Here is the background photo from the band website.  It is disturbing but alot of these bands go for shock value.  I would be bothered more if it was Sinjin's bands website:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/JouMusic.jpg)

Who is this smiling "Tom" who is on everyone's MySpace page?  He is all over the place, why is he on everyone's page? 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6221

He is 31 yrs. old, lives in Santa Monica.  If I am not mistaken, he was on Sinjin's MySpace page, and I see him on all sorts of pages.  Who is he?

He is the guy who started Myspace.  His picture and name is on everyone's myspace site  :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Anderson_(MySpace)

Tom Anderson (born October 13, 1975) is the President of the social networking website, MySpace. He founded the site along with CEO Chris DeWolfe. Since newly created MySpace accounts include Tom as a default "friend," he has become known as the face of MySpace. As of September 3, 2007, (12:35 UTC) Tom has 200,000,000 "friends", a number which is constantly increasing due to new MySpace accounts being created.
(snipped)

Please offer prayers for Donna's family and friends.. also for TES to be given Guidance to narrow down the area or areas important to find he alive and if necessary evidence and all other things needed known and not known.

a small prayer...

Heavenly Father, please guide and be with TES, IBE, the JOU Famlies as they go and try to find answers about one of your missing children. Heavenly Father, I ask that you put your arms of protection around them as they enter places that are covered with evil and protect them from any harm as they search for answers. 

Heavenly Father I thank you for answering our prayers and providing protection for these people as they carry out their search.


I wish I were more eloquent with my prayers... but I pray like that always... and it is heartfelt...

IBE, thanks for all you and Hope007, and TES are doing for this family

http://www.click2houston.com/news/14130512/detail.html

Relatives, Friends Hold Vigil For Missing Student
By Lisa Baldwin

POSTED: 10:10 am CDT September 17, 2007
UPDATED: 10:29 am CDT September 17, 2007


KATY, Texas -- Dozens of relatives and friends of missing 19-year-old college student Donna Jou gathered Sunday for a candlelight prayer vigil outside her aunt's home in northeast Fort Bend County, KPRC Local 2 reported.

They prayed for Jou's safe return and strength for her parents.

Jou recently finished her freshman year with honors at San Diego State University after graduating from Clear Lake High School.

She was last seen in Los Angeles in mid-June at a party held at the home of John Steven Burgess, a convicted sex offender. Police said Jou just met Burgess on the Web site Craigslist.org when she advertised to work as a math tutor.

One of Jou's lifelong friends described her as very intelligent academically, but too trusting of people.

"Unfortunately, her innocence and kindness and belief in others may have led to her being taken from us," said Tonya Torabi.

The director of Texas EquuSearch was scheduled to meet with police in Los Angeles on Monday in hopes of searching the area around Burgess' home. Burgess was considered a suspect in Jou's disappearance, but police said they do not have enough evidence to charge him in the case. He was charged with failing to register as a sex offender and remains out of jail on bond.

klaasend

No real connection that I know of (that's why I didn't actually post the picture).   It's just that SinjinsSaints page has been removed from myspace and I doubt if with all the bad publicity that any of them would want to continue to use that name (if they really are/were still a band.  Thought they might try using another name and create another myspace page.  The Killswitch bands page was created july 20, 2007 it says they are from Los Angeles.  They claim to have a contract with some record label on their page, but I can't find a record label that matches that name in existance.  I don't think the names of the band members are listed on the myspace page either.  That seems strange to me, most bands list their members and say who plays what instrument, who does vocals, etc. 

I wasn't able to find out anything else on them.  There is another band called Killswitch Engage out of the U.K. and a garage band in Minnesota.  These guys say they're from L.A.

Anyway, I know I'm just reaching, that's why I said I didn't even know if I should post it.  But the picture haunts me. 

L

If I remember correctly, the label of the company who was supposedly producing "Sinjin Saint's" record was WEED.  I'm guessing that is a fake production company, a made-up name, although maybe someone wants to look up RECORD PRODUCTION COMPANIES and see if there is a company named WEED.  (Weed Recording Label or something) 

If he did make records, there would be a space where the band practiced (a warehouse), and an office where the recording label worked out of.  But it is probably all fake, another one of his scams.   :-?

He is a lazy guy, he is into the "get-rich-quick" schemes.  While he is entrepreneurial (as in:  he has these crazy weird schemes and scams that he puts into practice and actually makes money off of them), he has to fly below the radar so his sex offender status doesn't pop up, so he isn't going to do anything where an employee ID number will pop up, or his social security number is used.  I wonder when the last time he paid taxes was?  Isn't there another crime there - something someone else can charge him with?  Is he on Uncle Sam's radar, I wonder?

Hope,

Do you (or anyone else) know if he went back to that house on Faris to live?

Has anyone heard anything about the search? 

L

Hi,

Since (according to the news) he ripped off his roommates $$, took their money, did not pay the rent to the landlord and he left town instead, I imagine he is not welcomed to resume living at that house on Faris Drive.  That is just my opinion.  I don't know if he is living there, or where he is right now.

IBE and Hope - any updates on the TES search?  I haven't seen IBE around in a couple days and I'm just hoping she's busy with TES.

HI,

Just hanging in in life. I have no update. Will check in later.

No updates on the search. 

It rained in Los Angeles last night and early this morning.  The first rain in 130+ days...

http://www.ocregister.com/news/burgess-jou-disappearance-1852159-fake-police

Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Suspect in teen's disappearance arrested again
John Steven Burgess admitted to trying to steal DVDs from a store in Florida, police say.
By KIMBERLY EDDS
The Orange County Register

A convicted sex offender accused in the disappearance of a local college student had a fake Social Security card and a counterfeit driver's license in his pocket when he was arrested on suspicion of stealing DVDs from a Jacksonville, Fla., Blockbuster store, authorities said Tuesday.

The arrest is the latest in a series of run-ins with the law for John Steven Burgess, the only named suspect in the disappearance of 19-year-old Donna Jou, who left her Rancho Santa Margarita apartment June 23 on the back of Burgess' motorcycle. Authorities believe Burgess, 35, was the last person to see Jou alive.

Burgess is due back in a Los Angeles courtroom Oct. 10 to answer charges he failed to register as a sex offender. Burgess bailed out of Los Angeles County jail last month, posting $250,000 bond in the sex-offender registration charge. A judge reduced his bail from $1 million, saying he could not use Donna Jou's disappearance as a factor to keep Burgess behind bars.

Without a body and just circumstantial evidence, charges have not been filed against Burgess.

Investigators trying to piece together a case against Burgess in Jou's disappearance said his habit of assuming new identities is not surprising, but it is disturbing.

"The big concern is him having a fake driver's license and Social Security card and what he might do with them," said Sheriff's Department Jim Amormino.

A judge can revoke bail if new crimes are committed while someone is out on bail.

"If the allegations are true, it can't bode well upon his return to court," said George Bird, who is representing Burgess.

Jacksonville police said Burgess was arrested Sept. 20 at a Jacksonville Blockbuster with five stolen DVDs stuffed in the pocket of his pants, along with a fake Social Security card and California drivers' license with the name Logan Anderson and a Hollywood address. The fake IDs came from a Hollywood tourist shop, according to a police report.

Burgess admitted to taking a razor blade to slice open boxes of DVDs and stuffing them in his pocket, according to the police report. "I'm just being stupid, I know better, I'm not a thief," Burgess told his arresting officer.


According to Orange County Sheriff's Department investigators, Burgess left Los Angeles on July 6, the same day he was named a person of interest in Jou's disappearance. Burgess spray-painted his blue pickup black, stole rent money from his roommates and took a trip across the country to Jacksonville – all with a $1 million California warrant out for his arrest, police said. He was arrested in Florida in July on suspicion of cocaine possession. He spent 25 days in jail – and was extradited to California to face charges for failing to register.

. It is unclear when Burgess bought the fake identification or what he planned to do with it.

Burgess is refusing to talk to investigators about Jou, but his attorney said he has information about her. Burgess is willing to tell investigators what he knows if prosecutors will offer him immunity in the failure to register case.

but his attorney said he has information about her. Burgess is willing to tell investigators what he knows if prosecutors will offer him immunity in the failure to register case.


He is going down.

C'mon.  This guy is guilty of more than just petty theft and drug dealing or whatever he was going to do with the dope he was found with in Florida.  I cannot believe he is so stupid to let himself get in trouble again.  Is he trying to tell people that he thinks he is invincible or what?  Why can't they make him talk?  Our laws make me so mad.  I know he is responsible for whatever happened to Donna.  So now he wants to make a "deal".  What the heck does that mean?  If he makes a deal to receive immunity on the failure to register charge, how much information do you thik he will have to give up?  I mean we already know he was the last one to be seen with her.  FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!! 

Kermet Hi! :lol: I read it somewhere he was asking for immunity in the disappearance of Donna Jou, :ie: tell where is she and he'd not get charged.

Has he registered yet... wasn't he here after his birthday?

Anyone have news on TES?

A poster of Donna is up in his former local Blockbuster and Starbucks... Good thing he wasn't in there and stole the DVD's. (Not as the kids say)

Who is he living with in FLA or another motel?

1) I love he is so dumb.  He said:   "I'm just being stupid, I know better, I'm not a thief," Burgess told his arresting officer."  No, he is a thief and much more.  What does he think - by saying these words, LE is going to say "our bad...you can go free."  I think this means he goes back to jail without bail, right?

2) On the Court TV board there is a notice about a female body found (badly decomposed) in Palm Springs.  The autopsy next week will reveal more details.   :sad:

I saw that but Palm Springs seems a bit out of the way.

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DOB:  Oct 14, 1987
Missing:  Jun 23, 2007
Age Now:  19
Sex:  Female
Race:  White
Hair:  Brown
Eyes:  Brown
Height:  5'3" (160 cm)
Weight:  110 lbs (50 kg)
Missing From:
RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA
CA
United States


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092707dnmetwoman.111484eb9.html

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Police reconstruct face of woman found in Lake Arlington

05:37 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 26, 2007
From Staff Reports

Arlington police on Wednesday revealed a facial reconstruction of an unidentified woman whose badly decomposed body was found in Lake Arlington over the summer.

 
Facial reconstruction of woman found in Lake Arlington The police also announced that Schepps Dairy was offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and indictment in connection with her death.

The woman’s body was found by a fisherman on Aug. 19 near pilings and debris.

The Tarrant County medical examiner’s office and police have tracked down at least 100 leads but have not been able to determine her identity.

The unidentified woman is believed to have been about 16 to 21 years old, about 5 feet, 3 inches tall with medium-length brown hair. She was wearing gray, terry-cloth Capri-length pants and yellow underwear with a cartoon drawing of a chicken and the words "Chicks Rule." She wore a black chain necklace with a silver cross.

The medical examiner’s office has ruled her death a homicide, but has not released the cause of death. Police said the woman suffered obvious signs of trauma.

 
The woman was wearing a necklace with this cross pendant attached. "Somewhere, there’s someone who knows how this woman was killed and who did it," Arlington police detective Jim Ford said. "And somewhere, there’s a family missing a loved one. We need to solve this mystery not only to help them, but also to hold someone accountable for killing her and then just dumping her body in the lake."

Anyone with information was asked to call Crime Stoppers at 817-469-TIPS. Tipsters remain are eligible for a Crime Stoppers reward of up to $1,000 and the $10,000 Schepps reward, which will remain in effect for six months.

Possible route:

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Donna's teeth look very straight in the photo above; she probably had braces.  The deceased victim appears to have a prominent overbite.  This does not look like a match to me.

Yes, the teeth don't appear to match, but the rest does IMO

Yes, the similarity is striking.  I looked back at the earliest news reports to see if there was a description of what she was wearing when last seen, but I did not find that info.

http://www.donnajou.com/

Donna Jou was last seen by her family on Saturday, June 23, 2007 around 5:30 p.m. at her residence in
Rancho Santa Margarita, California. Donna was last seen wearing medium blue colored jeans, gray tank
top, black jacket with zipper in front and hood on the back, canvas multi-colored shoes and a Jan Sport
blue back pack.  Donna was last seen by witnesses with John Steven Burgess at his residence 3617
Faris Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90034 around midnight of June 23-24, 2007.

The clothes don't match either, but she could have had a change of clothes in the backpack.  The necklace is certainly distinctive.

Yes and the necklace is the main reason I posted it here.  Certainly family would know if Donna had a necklace like that.

Yes, family or friends would recognize it.

May have read incorrectly, but doesn't the article say Lake Arlington in Texas?

This guy is unbelievable and now I read he's been released - AGAIN!
You would think that by being in possession of a fake drivers license and fake social security card that the judge might consider him a flight risk and not set bail on him.  But no, instead he gets out on $5000 bail in Jacksonville.

I keep getting the idea that he's enjoying his newly found spotlight.  All of this going on and he's trying to steal "Natural Born Killers".  Makes me want to go after him myself. ERRRRR

Here's a link to the LATimes article (then the article)

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-missing27sep27,1,2565485.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Suspect in missing O.C. student case is arrested again

John Steven Burgess was carrying fake IDs when arrested on suspicion of stealing DVDs, including 'Natural Born Killers,' in Florida last week.

By Christine Hanley, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 27, 2007

A convicted sex offender named as a suspect in the disappearance of an Orange County college student was carrying a fake ID and Social Security card when he was arrested on suspicion of stealing several DVDs from a Florida video store, authorities said Wednesday.

John Steven Burgess, arrested Sept. 20 at a Blockbuster store in Jacksonville, Fla., conceded using a razor blade to remove the movie discs from a box before sliding them into his pocket, according to the police report.

"I'm just being stupid. I know better. I'm not a thief," he told arresting officers, the police report said.

Arthur Wiggins, a sales manager at the store, said Wednesday that among the movies in Burgess' pocket were "Natural Born Killers," "Death Proof" and "Inside Deep Throat."

He got the fake Social Security card and California driver's license, which identified him as Logan Anderson, at a Hollywood tourist shop, the police report says.

Burgess, who is free on bail, is scheduled to be in a Los Angeles courtroom Oct. 10 for a hearing on a charge of failing to register as a sex offender while living in the city.

The bail in that case -- $250,000 -- could be revoked because of his latest arrest.

Burgess, 35, has been named by Orange County sheriff's investigators as a suspect in the disappearance of Donna Jou, a biology student at San Diego State who was living with her mother in Rancho Santa Margarita for the summer when she vanished.

Jou was last seen by family June 23 when Burgess picked her up for a date and took her to a party at his rented home in West Los Angeles, authorities say.

The next day, Jou's mother received a text message from Jou's cellphone saying that the battery was dying but that she would be home soon. Authorities suspect the message wasn't sent by Jou.

On July 8, the license plate of a pickup truck and a motorcycle helmet, both belonging to Burgess, were found -- along with rope, rubber gloves and a scrubbing brush -- near railroad tracks about 1 1/2 miles from his house.

He left California shortly after Jou disappeared and was arrested July 25 in Jacksonville after police said they saw him trying to dispose of a bag of cocaine.

Burgess was convicted of felony possession of drugs and sentenced to time served before being extradited to Los Angeles on an outstanding warrant for failure to register as a sex offender.

Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department, said the IDs Burgess was carrying in Florida were "disturbing" because "you can travel freely with a good fake ID."

Burgess' attorney, George Bird, could not be reached for comment.

christine.hanley@latimes.com

Just what will it take to get this guy held in jail? :shock:

He's a career criminal playing the system, and he's getting away with it. I just hope he doesn't murder someone else while he's enjoying his freedom.

Shearerluck...Am I reading this right that the bail would not be revoked because of this until he appears on Oct.10th in LA.?  Don't think I'd count on him being there!

Ok, so I know they have to do an autopsy and all that but how long do you think that will take? I see some similarities as well but the teeth don't look right at all.  I wonder if the body they found had the teeth still intact to compare to dental records.  Sometimes when they do reconstructions like this, they have to assume what the teeth may have looked like if they were not present with the body upon discovering it.  Sometimes victims teeth are knocked out or removed, making it harder to identify them.  More info needed AGAIN! 

I could be mistaken Mum, but I think the court out here in California could revoke the $250,000 bail on him at any time if they have a reason to do so.  If they were to do that, I'm guessing someone that works for the bail bondsman would pick him up and return him to jail since they are responsible for him showing up in court.

But I'm with you on that one Mum.  I think the chances of him willingly showing up in court for his Oct. 10 court date are slim, especially since he's already back in Florida. 

Hi IBE.

She wears what appears to be a horseshoe necklace in several pictures.

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LOOK HOW HE CHANGES HIS LOOK

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Shearerluck...Thanks 

  Then I hope that because the Orange County Sheriff's office knows about it the DA does too and steps have been taken to revoke his bail and extradite him back to California, again.

Burgess is thumbing his nose at the police, his thinking is flawed. They'll get him. Just a matter of time.

Then I guess the time has come.  Yippee !!!  They got him and brought him back to LA today. Here's the link to the article that was just posted within the hour. 

http://www.knbc.com/news/14231994/detail.html

Bounty Hunters Return Man Wanted In Case Of Missing OC Student
LOS ANGELES -- A convicted sex offender wanted in the disappearance of a Rancho Santa Margarita college student was returned to Los Angeles Friday, according to authorities.

John Steven Burgress, 35, was freed on $5,000 bail Wednesday after being arrested in Florida on suspicion of stealing DVDs, authorities said. Bounty hunters brought Burgess back from Florida after his arrest on a misdemeanor charge, authorities said.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement - Sexual Offender / Predator Flyer 
 
 
JOHN STEVEN BURGESS
Date Of Photo: 08/31/2007
 Designation: Sexual Offender
Name: JOHN STEVEN BURGESS 
Status:  Released
Department of Corrections #:  Z34692
Search the Dept of Corrections Website
Date of Birth: 06/28/1972
Race : White
Sex: Male
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'03"
Weight: 230 lbs 
 
BURGESS is registered as a Sexual Offender.
Positive identification cannot be established unless a fingerprint comparison 
 
 Link for John Steven Burgess Sex Offender Regestration
http://www.nsopr.gov/

Most resent picture

This is from the latimes.com website:

Suspect in Jou case being brought to California Orange County Sheriff's Department

JOHN STEVEN BURGESS: Arrested July 24 in Florida, the convicted sex offender was expected back in Los Angeles today to face questioning in the disappearance of 19-year-old Donna Jou.

Bail company revokes the bond of Burgess after he was arrested in Florida with false IDs. He was the last person seen with a Rancho Santa Margarita student who has been missing since June.

By Christine Hanley, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
1:48 PM PDT, September 28, 2007

Considered a flight risk after being caught in Florida carrying fake IDs, a convicted sex offender named as a suspect in the disappearance of a California college student was being brought back to Los Angeles today by bail agents who revoked his bond.

John Steven Burgess was expected to arrive at Los Angeles International Airport later today and was to be booked at a Los Angeles County jail, according to Robert Jerlow, a private investigator with Redline Risk Management, a bail recovery firm serving Southern California.

Burgess had been free on $250,000 bail and was scheduled to return to a Los Angeles courtroom Oct. 10 for a hearing on a charge of failing to register as a sex offender.

The bail company and relatives of Burgess who put up the money worried he might flee after he was found carrying a fake drivers' license and Social Security card during an arrest last week at a video store, where he was suspected of stealing several DVDs, including "Natural Born Killers" and "Death Proof," officials said.

Burgess told Jacksonville sheriff's deputies that he got the fake Social Security card and California driver's license, which identified him as Logan Anderson, at a Hollywood tourist shop.

Jerlow said Redline also received information that Burgess "was trying to gather money and vehicles from family members." Jerlow said the family wanted the bail revoked, but his firm could have done so without their permission because Burgess violated the terms of his bail by getting arrested.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-missing29sep29,1,7663191.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

Great news!

his eyes look completely souless

They really do. Cold and dead-looking eyes.
He is terrifying. I'm so glad he's off the streets.

shearerluck...thanks for the updates last night. Certainly cleared up a lot for me - the bondsman got him!  I was worried he'd slip through the cracks again. I doubt he'll make that Oct. court appearance in Florida though.

I hope you're right on that one Mum.  I hope they never let him out of jail in Los Angeles.  I'm so glad the bounty hunters went and got him.  Now if he would only talk....  Or point, or something, anything..

You all HAVE to go look at his photo on the national sex offender registry.  He looks completely different from his other photos!

So, I see on Oct. 2 he has one hearing; and another hearing on Oct. 10 (for failing to register).  I'm getting confused with all his legal troubles.  I need a graph to map out all is evil-doings.   :2doh:

And where is Donna?  Any word on the female body found in Palm Springs?  (Palm Springs is less than a 2-hour drive from LA.)

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1870140.php

Tuesday, October 2, 2007

Jou case suspect in court today

John Steven Burgess in L.A. courthouse for bail hearing. He is suspected in disappearance of Donna Jou.

LOS ANGELES – A convicted sex offender suspected in the disappearance of a college student from Rancho Santa Margarita is due in a Los Angeles courthouse today for a bail hearing.

John Steven Burgess, 35, had been free on $250,000 bail, which was revoked by a bonding company after his arrest last month in Florida, according to Sandi Gibbons with the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office.

Burgess, who was arrested Sept. 20 in Florida on suspicion of stealing DVDs, was returned to Los Angeles by bail agents last week and is now jailed again in lieu of $250,000 bail.

.............more at link

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Jail, Inmates May Help Persuade Burgess To Speak, Allred Says
Suspect Says He Will Talk Of Jou When Immunity Granted On Other Charge

POSTED: 6:15 pm PDT September 29, 2007
UPDATED: 9:50 pm PDT September 29, 2007
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LOS ANGELES -- Gloria Allred, speaking on behalf of the family of missing college student Donna Jou, said on Saturday she hopes the confinement of a jail cell -- and help from other inmates -- will persuade a suspect in the disappearance to talk about her whereabouts.

John Steven Burgess, 35, currently held at the Los Angeles County Jail, is due to appear at the Los Angeles Airport Superior Court next Wednesday for a pretrial hearing on a charge of failing to register as a sex offender.

Authorities said that he has not been charged in connection with Jou's disappearance two months ago. She was last seen with Burgess in June and has not been heard from since.
http://www.knbc.com/news/14235951/detail.html#

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Burgess walks free from LA court  - has to wear a monitor.

I also heard a report that Burgess has a bail of 500,000.00.

Where did he find someone willing to post a $50,000 bond?  :shock:

Supposedly the first one was money (cash) from his family and alledgely they ask the bondsman to come pick him up for they were worried because they were worried he'd skip for he was asking friends and relatives for money and wheels. I don't know about the last one.

So wearing a monitor means he's out in society... what are the details? Is he to be living in a certain place and not go out of an area like Martha Stewart? Is he in CA or FLA or what is really going on?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/burgess-bail-register-1877830-failing-angeles

Wednesday, October 3, 2007
Bail increases for man probed in disappearance of Rancho student
 
John Steven Burgess, 35, appeared in Superior Court on the felony charge of failing to register as a sex offender and two counts of failing to file a change of address. (Posted Oct. 3, 2007)
The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES – Bail was doubled to $500,000 Tuesday, Oct. 2 for a man charged with failing to register as a sex offender and who is under investigation in the disappearance of a San Diego State University student.

John Steven Burgess, 35, appeared in Superior Court on the felony charge of failing to register as a sex offender and two counts of failing to file a change of address.

He could face up to 12 years in prison if convicted.

Burgess also has been identified as a suspect – but not charged with a crime – in the disappearance of 19-year-old Donna Jou of Rancho Santa Margarita. She was last seen on June 23 at a party at Burgess' rented house in West Los Angeles. Authorities said the two met on the Internet site Craigslist.

Outside court, Jou's mother said she was preparing to celebrate her daughter's upcoming 20th birthday.

"I'm going to celebrate her birthday and hopefully she's here to attend that," Nili Jou said. "Hopefully she is here."

After the hearing, Burgess' attorney said his client has not talked to investigators about Jou because "when he's charged with failing to register, any question about his being in Los Angeles would be evidence to be used against him."

"I'm not saying he knows anything about her, but basically he can't say anything," attorney George Bird Jr. said.

Burgess was arrested on Sept. 20 for investigation of stealing DVDs from a video store in Jacksonville, Fla. He was carrying a fake identification, authorities said.

At the time, he was out of jail on $250,000 bail in connection with the failing-to-register case. Bail agents revoked his bond and he was returned to Los Angeles last week, then jailed once more on $250,000 bail.

Judge Amy D. Hogue raised the bail to $500,000 and ordered Burgess to have electronic monitoring if he meets the bail. He was ordered back to court on Oct. 10 for a preliminary hearing to determine if there is enough evidence to try him on the felony charges.

Burgess was convicted of three counts of battery in 2002 and of performing a lewd act against a child the following year. He was sentenced to 146 days in jail, placed on three years' probation and required to register as a sex offender.

I doubt that he'll find anyone willing to post his new and higher bond. It was the family members who had put up his original $250K bond that had asked the bondsman to pick him up. They thought he was getting ready to flee as he was asking friends and family for more $$ when he was in Florida.

fran

Thanks for clearing that up fran. I really hope he stays locked up, because I know he'll flee for sure this time, if he gets out again. I don't think he'll wait around and try to gather up money again. He'll just take off.

 He knows he's in big, big trouble.

I had read that the bond company had already decided to revoke his bond, but then I also read that his family was getting nervous because of his requests for additional money. I doubt that in addition to not being able to locate any family or friends willing to risk putting up the $$, there's probably not a company that would bond him out either.

I understand the reason he's keeping quiet about Donna, is if he talks about Donna, it will work against him in his current case of 'failure to register.' EXCUSE, EXCUSE, EXCUSE! :roll:

fran

If he gets out again, I hope they keep an eye on that boat in San Pedro.

I'm confused.  Did he somehow post bail and get out again only this time he's supposed to wear a monitor?  Or is he still in jail and that's the requirement if he is able to post bail?  Did he really walk free from LA court or should that have read "If Burgess walks free from LA court - has to wear a monitor" ?

I don't really see what good a monitor is going to do anyway.  In my opinion, those things are only good for people who aren't a huge flight risk.  They're fine for someone that hasn't committed any heinous crimes or someone who needs a little extra help in staying on track so they won't run amok.

But if you are planning on vanishing, you just remove the monitor and be on your way.  Sure, it will call into who ever it is that monitors the monitors, but who knows how far you could get before someone starts to look for you. 

I totally disagree with the court on this one.  I don't think they should have set a new bail amount for him at all.  He shouldn't be allowed to get out on bail because of the fake ID's, the fact that he was in another state, plus he's committing further crimes while out on bail.  Was he allowed to leave California when he did? 

I thought we were supposed to know where all of these sex offenders are.  If that's the case, then his failing to register in California ought to be reason enough alone to keep him locked up until he's sentenced and done his time. 

I sure hope the District Attorney that is prosecuting this case uses Burgess own ad on Craigslist against him to go toward proof that he was in fact living in Los Angeles and failed to register.  He says so in his ad himself.  He describes his house, his roomies, etc while trying to convince some poor naive "kewl girl" to move in.   Neighbors knew of him, somewhere there's a landlord that knew of him too.   What more do they need?

As far as Burgess trading what information he knows about Donna for immunity in his sex offender registration case, they should not make any deals with him.  There's no way he's going to give anyone any accurate information about what happened to Donna.  I'm sorry to say that, but I'd bet anything that's the way it is. 

He did not ask for immunity in any future case concerning Donna.  If he were going to tell the truth about what happened, he would have asked for immunity so that he couldn't be prosecuted for what he did to her.  But he didn't ask for that, which makes me think he would only offer up lies and probably invent some fictitious person that she left the party with or something along those lines.

L

Does anyone know what ever became of TES and the search for Donna?

 :-|

Don't loose the Faith!

The DA is an elected official and is in his second term. Bad publicity is bad for him and for LA, the tourist town.


Here is info from the Los Angeles County District Attorney's website
http://da.co.la.ca.us/ (http://da.co.la.ca.us/)


"Welcome

The District Attorney of Los Angeles County is the lawyer for the people, a non-partisan official who is elected every four years. The District Attorney’s Office prosecutes felony crimes throughout Los Angeles County. Deputy district attorneys also prosecute misdemeanor crimes in unincorporated areas and in 78 of the 88 County cities. The staff of approximately 2,105 includes 1,017 deputy district attorneys, 277 investigators, and 811 support personnel, comprising the largest local prosecutorial agency in the nation.
((Click Here to see Steve Cooley's Biography))

Upon being sworn into office on December 4, 2000, District Attorney Steve Cooley told his staff, "Show no fear in pursuing the criminal element, also be fearless in the pursuit of justice." To learn more about how the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office is doing that, we invite you to navigate through our website. You can also read about the District Attorney policies, reports, events, and opinions on our Top Documents page."

 
Los Angeles County District Attorney's
Bureau of Investigation
http://da.co.la.ca.us/bofi.htm
"Bureau of Investigation Chief Dominick Rivetti

Chief Dominick Rivetti

    Staffed by over 260 investigators with full peace officer status, the Bureau of Investigation is the fourth largest law enforcement agency in Los Angeles County. Investigators in the Bureau conduct some of the most unique, sensitive, and complex criminal investigations in law enforcement today. D.A. Investigators are involved in a variety of operations, from high-profile raids in political corruption cases to probes in immigration fraud.

    The primary function of D.A. investigators is to provide prosecution support to the District Attorney’s legal staff. By locating and processing prosecution witnesses and conducting supplemental pretrial investigations, investigators strengthen cases for prosecution.

    Bureau of Investigation BadgeInvestigators are assigned to each District Attorney branch location in the County and to a variety of special units. Special units personnel work directly with deputy district attorneys in the office’s specialized programs to combat gangs, public corruption, organized crime, family violence, stalking, hate crimes, consumer fraud, and other high impact crimes.

    Assisting other law enforcement agencies, when requested, is also an important function of the Bureau of Investigation. Assistance with vehicular and electronic surveillance, photographic services, and document analysis are available to other agencies."

http://da.co.la.ca.us/faqs.htm#jurisdiction (http://da.co.la.ca.us/faqs.htm#jurisdiction)
# What is the District Attorney’s jurisdiction?
[ TOP ]
The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office prosecutes felony crimes throughout Los Angeles County – a jurisdiction covering 4,083 square miles. The territory stretches from Antelope Valley to Long Beach, from Pomona to Malibu. The District Attorney’s Office also prosecutes misdemeanor crimes in unincorporated areas of the County and in 78 of the 88 County cities. Los Angeles County is larger in population than 42 states in the nation with a population of approximately 9.8 million people.


http://da.co.la.ca.us/history/cooley.htm (http://da.co.la.ca.us/history/cooley.htm)


How to contact the District Attorney of Los Angeles County
http://da.co.la.ca.us/feedback.htm#feedback (http://da.co.la.ca.us/feedback.htm#feedback) (There's a contact fill in form on this page and contact info)


E-Mail us directly at webmail@da.lacounty.gov.
District Attorney's Office
County of Los Angeles
210 West Temple Street, Suite 18000
Los Angeles, CA 90012-3210

Telephone (213) 974-3512
Fax (213) 974-1484

TTY (800) 457-7778
(8:30am - 5:00pm M-F)

To find the status of someone in jail:

type in last and first name

http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)

Law Enforcements in many of the cities of LA County are spread very thin. Of that many people

Los Angeles County is larger in population than 42 states in the nation with a population of approximately 9.8 million people.

How many go missing each day and how many are found?

If you can, read Beth Holloway's book "Loving Natalee" and Dave Holloway's book "Aruba, The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise".

Why, for encouragement not to give up and a look into law enforcements' actions, non=actions and interactions among people who suffer and want to find answers..

PS Both also thank the Good Works of the good blogs. Beth even mentions Red. Dave thanks the good blogs too and even has Shango in the back. (See Natalee's thread for that, if interested)

It is important to keep the word out there about Donna.

From the looks of this he has NOT made bail (sorry about the size of this pic)


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Wouldn't ya just love to visit this pig in jail.
Befriend him, turn the tables on him.


Gloria Allred has connections - she'll make him sequel like a pig, and cut him no deals.

A womans body was found earlier today in Lancaster, CA.  Not very far from Los Angeles where Burgess house is.  So far all they've said was that it was too badly decomposed to make any identification without an autopsy.

I should clarify what I meant.  I should have said that Lancaster is not very far from Los Angeles.  I didn't mean to imply that the body that was found was not very far from where Burgess house is.  From his house it's actually 71.61 miles and would take 1 hour and 12 minutes to drive at normal speed to where they said it was found.  Other than the first 2 or 3 miles, it's all freeway driving.

I did see this on the news last night and immediately thought of Donna. I guess we'll just have to wait until they identify her.

fran

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_279170424.html

Woman's Dismembered Body Found In Lancaster

(CBS) LANCASTER, Calif. The dismembered body of an unidentified woman was found Saturday outside Lancaster, a sheriff's deputy said.

................snip.............

The body was so badly decomposed that authorities could not determine the age or race of the woman, who had dark hair, according to news reports.

The sheriff's department used dogs to search the area and found more human remains, but authorities will not say exactly what was found.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/CulverCityLancaster.jpg)

Here's a map I posted a few pages back.. I can't get my draw program to add more data to this so...

You can see the San Diego 405 Fwy (N/S) that goes north to the 5, to the 14 then Palmdale. Fwy 10 Santa Monica goes E/W starting in downtown LA to Santa Monica. Where the "j" is near the tool box label is one on ramp to the 10 and on the right hand of the map it shows "Area B". Just a tad to the right most arrow to "Area B" is another on ramp. You can see how it is in relation to his former home.

Hitting the lights right, it would take about 2 minutes to either one.

Hope this clears up the question how long it would take to get to the N/S Fwy that heads to Palmdale.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/pharbucket/Maps/goodaerialdone.jpg)

Oh, Landcaster, yes it's just north of Palmdale. Lots of desert and Edwards AFB is just north of there. My late finance did off road racing. Lots of desert, lots of desolate areas up there. Really dark at night. Lots of sand, wind.

On Klaas's great map you can see Pyramid lake to the left up past Magic Mountain on Interstate 5 almost to Frazier and the Grapevine. It is thought that the truck picture was taken there.

By the way it can snow at Pyramid Lake, Lancaster and Palmdale. That's a big thing here! and someday we will see rain!!!

I may be wrong for when I drive up there, I thought Pyramid Lake was west of the Freeway and you look down at it.

# What is the Los Angeles County District Attorney's jurisdiction?
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The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office prosecutes felony crimes throughout Los Angeles County – a jurisdiction covering 4,083 square miles. The territory stretches from Antelope Valley to Long Beach, from Pomona to Malibu. The District Attorney's Office also prosecutes misdemeanor crimes in unincorporated areas of the County and in 78 of the 88 County cities. Los Angeles County is larger in population than 42 states in the nation with a population of approximately 9.8 million people.

Lancaster is the northern end of Los Angeles County and is in the area with Palmdale that they called the Antelope Valley.It's an area with mountains on the south edge, desert to the west and east and then desert with Edwards in an another county on the north with dry lakes.

These would be LA County sheriffs in the article and LA County DA Jurisdiction again.

Many super secret aircraft are made and flown in and out of Lancaster.. just thought I'd throw that tidbit in  :lol: and the highway just at the southern edge of Palmdale going east to Victorville is the short cut from LA to Vegas in case you ever need that info... saves at least an hour!

Fran is right.He advertised on Craig's list and gave his home address.

However, he probably used several ID's when in the area.

So he got off probation in 2006 and now in trouble in 2007.

Why does the picture of him look so different as a "sex offender". I am wondering this like Hope007 is. When was this picture really taken???

He can't go from long to short hair and back in a month+ unless he wears a wig! :roll:

Burgess if you are reading this... come clean and therefore help yourself and help Donna's family with the info. Your mom is suffering too.

I understand you sent emails, according to one news article, from FLA jail to Orange County Sheriffs

Any word whether the remains found were Donna or not?

Looks like they have identified her but waiting to notify next of kin:



Autopsy 'Inconclusive' On Death Of Lancaster Woman

(CBS) LANCASTER, Calif. An autopsy conducted on the dismembered body of a woman found on a vacant lot outside Lancaster was "inconclusive" on the cause of death, authorities said Monday.

The decomposing remains were found by a man collecting cans near 20th Street West and Avenue G, northwest of the Antelope Valley Fairgrounds, just before 11 a.m. Saturday, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department reported.

"Detectives have learned that an autopsy report by the Los Angeles County Office of the Coroner was inconclusive as to the cause of death," said Deputy Tony Moore of the Sheriff's Headquarters Bureau.

The remains were "mummified," said coroner's Lt. John Kades. More tests will have to be conducted by the coroner's office to determine the cause of death, Moore said.

The name of the woman was withheld, pending notification of next of kin, Moore said.


http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_281174826.html

Klaas,
Is any identity being speculated as to this being Donna Jou?

I don't think it's Donna, we would have heard by now.

BLOCKED WEBSITE

So, I think it is not Donna.  If they already know this womans identity, I think Klaas is right, we would have known by now.  

ooops, i posted the same article Klaas.  Sorry!!!  You can delete it if you want!

His "sexual registry" photo could be catalogued under P for "pervert" or under C for "child molester."  He looks like he has a thing for little boys in that photo (IMO).   :shock:

DId anyone else see on the missing exploited page the comment left by Ray... creepy.  I looked for updates and didn't see any... :sad:

BLOCKED WEBSITE

Oct 10, 2007 1:07 pm US/Pacific
Burgess Jailed For Not Registering As Sex Offender
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_283160931.html
(snipped)
Defense attorney George Bird Jr. said recently that his client was willing to talk with investigators about Jou if he were offered immunity from prosecution on the registration charge.

On Wednesday, prosecutors said they never considered that offer because it was possible that after they granted him immunity he could have said he had no information.
His lawyers have said they could not advise him to talk about the woman's disappearance, Deputy District Attorney Christi Frey said.

"He has a right to remain silent on anything that might incriminate him," she said, later adding, "we'd all love to hear what he has to say."

As for immunity, she said, "we never discussed it." Outside the courthouse, Jou's friends and family members held up signs and chanted "please Burgess talk" and "justice for Donna."
(snipped)

Searcher for your ref. here but can't find it. Search feature isn't good, but Monkeys are!

It was posted on the Missing and Exploited blog, that's why you couldn't find it here.  Here is the comment:

Ray wrote:

I met this shady character a few years ago when I was a voter initiative sub-manager for a political consulting company. He responded to an ad I put on Craigslist. Rather than do the signature gathering legitametely, he himself posted an ad on Craigslist and hired circulators. Rather than pay the circulators of the petition the full paying price, he decided to cheat them by promising to pay them half of what they were owed. I had found out about this and confronted him. He got angry about this and wanted to have a physical altercation. Later, I found out he never payed any of the dozen or so circulators a dime for their work. I am not surprised that he is a drug addict, thief, and possibly a killer. He is a real scum bag who deserves to be in jail the rest of his life.

Comment by Ray | August 22, 2007

I don't think he will ever talk about Donna.  It makes me sick.  He will serve his measly time and Donna will still be missing.  I am hoping that TES will be able to search for and find her.  But he could've put her anywhere from California to Florida so with out some kind of info to go on, this will not be an easy task. 

There is another story on the Court TV board by Ojay:  Basically, Ojay lived with Burgess for a while.  Ojay moved out eventually.  Burgess claimed to have sent the deposit back to him in the mail (cash).  Of course, Ojay never received it.  Burgess claimed other things (that Ojay messed up the place or something - lies) so Burgess had to keep part of the deposit.  In the end, after Ojay told Burgess that he never received the money back, the end of the story is a big zero:  Burgess got away with another bad deed.

Burgess's bad deeds are piled up all over the place:  the fantasy football scam that was online; stories I heard from another one of his roommates (about selling fake-exotic cats online to cat collectors); of course, ripping off his housemates from Faris Drive AND ripping off the landlady (taking their money and leaving town on July 5); plus other stories.

My thought is this:  This guy tries to make money off of anything and everything.  It is obvious he set up Donna in advance, he tricked her.  His mind is constantly moving about how can he scam someone else & make money.  Right now he is sitting in jail thinking of how he can get out of serving this time in jail - what con or scam can he pull to get out of this mess.  How will his demeanor change as he lives out his sentence?  He has only spent some 146 days in jail before.  Now it will be over 365 days, and hopefully more.  What type of inmates will he be housed with?  What sorts of things will they do to him, especially when they find out he is a registered sex offender?  We all know Burgess is a big wimp - preying on the smaller, weaker, international and naive.  How will his mindset change and what deals will he be willing to make after spending *quality time* with his new neighbors and roommates?

My personal thought is he sold Donna to someone.  I do think there are other people out there who know what happened to Donna, or maybe they are holding her behind closed doors.  I think he sold her to someone, and those people are tougher and meaner than Burgess, so if he talks, HIS life would be in danger (that is why he doesn't talk).

On another note:  Yesterday a female body was found in Sun Valley.  The body was found in an alley.  I don't know the outcome (the identity), but I was thinking: if it is Donna and her captors dumped her on the same day Burgess went to court, what message would that send to Burgess about talking, i.e. giving LE their names?  Does anyone know if the body has been identified?

Sun Valley CA, AZ, NV?  Do you have a link?

Hope- I agree!  It never really occured to me until after reading what you just wrote but I bet he did sell her and he is never going to "rat out" the monster(s) who bought her. 

Klaas,

It was on the local Los Angeles news.  Sun Valley is close to LA, CA somewhere.

I just googled it on _LA Times_, and this is what I found.  I'm not sure if this is the same news story, not sure where Sun Valley is in comparison with North Hollywood:

"North Hollywood: Alisha Johnson, 21, a white young woman, was strangled and found dead in an alley in the 8100 block of Vanscoy Avenue in North Hollywood. Her boyfriend..." (etc.)

So, if this is the same woman from the news story last night who was found in an alley, it isn't Donna.

Thanks, you are right..looks like it's the same story and not Donna.

No, not Donna but a sad tale indeed

LAPD: Man Choked His Pregnant Girlfriend, 21
(CBS) LOS ANGELES A 21-year-old pregnant Westminster woman was choked to death by her boyfriend in North Hollywood, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

The body of Alisha Johnson was discovered shortly after midnight in an alley in the 8100 block of Vanscoy Avenue, near Roscoe Boulevard, Capt. Ed Winter of the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner said.

During the investigation that followed, detectives learned that Johnson had recently told her family and friends that she was four-and-a-half months pregnant with her 33-year-old boyfriend's baby, according to the LAPD.

Investigators questioned Michael Labrunda, who was taken into police custody and booked on two counts of murder.

The couple had known each other for two years, according to police.

Neighbors initially thought the woman was homeless and had no idea she was dead.

Gloria Allas said she thought the woman was sleeping, but when she returned, she realized something was wrong.

Another neighbor, Robert Lacara, said the area was "pretty free of gangs but now drugs are a problem."

Anyone with information was asked to call North Hollywood Homicide Detective Thomas Townsend or Timothy Kirkpatrick at (818) 623-4045 during normal business hours, or 1-877-LAW-FULL (529-3855) after hours and on weekends.

ABC at LA may have coverage tonight at Donna Jou's family birthday party for her. Parents may be on Dr. Phil Tues or Wed. Ms. Allred very interested in what Scared Monkeys do.

IBE - tonight?  You mean on the late news?  I'll try to catch it.  Dr. Phil on Tuesday or Wednesday, I'll try to catch that too!

Thanks!

Did Dr. Phil ever have the show that was mentioned?  I watched most of the week and never saw anything related. 

Any news from TES?  I keep checking back hoping to see some news and nothing.  I can't imagine what Donnas family must be going through.

I am pretty sure the story about Donna will be aired this Wednesday on Dr. Phil....October 24th.
There is another petition to sign asking Burgess where is Donna. I believe the petition is going to be sent to Burgess's attorney and maybe tried to be sent to him in prison. Leave your question for Burgess on the petition because I am sure it will viewed by him or his attorney. They also have a new guestbook on Donna's web site for everyone to read and leave a suggestion or comment. www.donnajou.com
http://gopetition.com/petitions/where-is-donna.html

I heard they have been trying to do small searches for Donna but no news. I still am praying and have hope that she will be found. God Bless everyone involved!

Lindam

Thank you for the update. We all will be hoping for the best!

Dr. Phil coming on now.. CBS

Seems this show is not it. Perhaps the fires changed the scheduled of shows.

Oh, that's too bad IBE.  Please let us know if you find out when Donna's parents will be on.  Thank you.

I am still so mad about them not being able to make Burgess talk about any of this.  I can't believe the way our justice system works anymore.

Still nothing from Burgess I guess, no news from TES. 

Why don't some of us go start our own search for Donna?  I live in Orange County, though I think a search would be better started near where Burgess lived on Faris Drive.  Like some of the places in those great pictures of the area surrounding his house that were posted on here.  Or maybe around his boat if it's still in San Pedro.  Anyone else interested?

No news on Donna, although I am hopeful (sort of) that the fires in the Santa Monica mountains may reveal something - if the upper brush is burned away, and the fire fighters are walking around on foot throughout the mountains, they could come across something...

Read this on the web site of the jail where Burgess is housed, and this made me a tiny bit happy.  Here is their description of their facilities:

"Men's Central Jail currently houses the majority of Los Angeles County's high risk, high security inmates, and it ranks as the largest jail in the free world."

He is locked up with a bunch of baddies (to use IBE's word).  Do sex offenders get the same treatment from their fellow inmates as child predators?   :shock:

I hope the police are still working on Donna's case.  If she is still alive, she is being held against her will behind closed doors somewhere.  She even could be in the Los Angeles area in some underground brothel or porn video place.   Have the police searched the brothels in the LA area, I wonder?  Have they searched the underground porn video places in LA?  (there are probably a ton, I am guessing, and the people running them are probably not nice people who are going to willingly open their doors and let police in to search)  How (im)possible would it be to look for Donna in homemade porn videos made in Los Angeles and sold abroad...?  I guess that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack...

I do believe someone else knows something about Donna's whereabouts or what happened to her that night of June 23.  I think the police need to not rely on Burguess to tell them about her, b/c I don't think he is going to say anything.  If she did die that night, he either dumped her body in the mountains; in the ocean; I doubt he drove her somewhere and dumped her by a lake b/c that would entail digging a hole in the ground and he is too lazy to do that.  He also could have sold her to a second person - I only hope the police are checking or have checked his phone records / internet connections / questioned his buddies / thoroughly checked the boat for forensic evidence / questioned the other people at that party & the neighbors.

What did we decide about that photo he put on his Vox page - that room with the red blanket on the rumpled bed.  Did we decide that is in CA or Mexico; was it a hotel room or a room in a house?

Is anyone doing anything about missing Donna Jou?  Are the police still working on the case, or has she been filed under "Unsolved mysteries"?  Is Gloria Allred still on the case?  What is going on?

I wondered that myself.

HI all,

I haven't heard a diddly good thing about the case progressing... well LAPD... look to Ill. to see how quickly they have and the family have agreed to have TES come in.... disappeared about Oct 28... TES is in today!!!

That the was it is to be done before all the evidence, all the hints are cold for LE had an old boy's network ego plus thinking they have 1000 search and rescue here. Well I am sure they are good, but I had the honor of riding with Donna Jou's father and Tim Miller of TES in the back see with Aunt, Uncle in Front. TES is a pro... his eyes, ears brain are constantly multitasking all around the terrain..homes, apartments

The searching area here was more closed in or could have been if they had been allowed to come in sooner

I hate to hear that the investigation has stalled. Donna and her family deserve much better.

I haven't heard a word about the case on the news since before we had all of those fires from San Diego to Los Angeles. 

Well there are still places we could search if we could get enough to come in with us on it...maybe about 8-10 we could grid off the rr gorge area, if they haven't enclosed it all in fence now. Every area I posted as areas of interest has been fenced off now.

I am interested in searching the rr gorge for her telephone and getting permission for another area nearby his house to search    both these areas are within 1/2 mile either way of his home. Carry some pepper spray.. don't know what we'd find in the rr tunnel. Hope we could get some men to go along too. Great parking and a nice park for a picnic or talking. Pizza nearby.

Let me know.....  I;ll post an email addy tomorrow. Thanks, love, IBE

Hi all,

Here is a question:

That deputy sheriff of OC, Mike Corona, was brought up on federal charges for something.  Apparently he temporarily has stepped aside and a new deputy sheriff, a WOMAN, is in charge.

What impact will this have (or not have) on the Donna case?  Does anyone know what role the deputy sheriff has in local law enforcement & active cases?  Was Mike Corona these investigators' boss?  Or are they two completely separate entities?  (or are the investigators from LA and not OC?)  And would a woman boss take more interest in missing Donna Jou?  What do y'all think?

Is there anything we, the non-family members and just regular private citizens of America, can do to get this case going?  It is my understanding the police are not sharing information with the family (probably so they can keep their case intact).  But from the outside it seems like the police are not doing *anything*.  We don't need to know the clues or whatever they have found, or even what they are doing to advance this case, but how can we find out if the police are even still working on this case (or do we have the right to ask that)?

What is Gloria Allred's role?  Is she working in conjunction with LE and is she on top of the latest developments?  Is LE sharing information with her?  Can she post the latest developments (or lack thereof) on the donnajou.com web site?

Frustration abounds.  Logic tells me that the family cannot push LE too much for several reasons, one being that the family is in shock and/or mourning.  If this is Allred's role and purpose in this matter, then LE is hopefully sharing information with Allred, or something along those lines.  If Allred has another role (for example:  she is the legal representation, the voice for the family, against Burgess), then who is holding the police accountable to continue working on this case?

That is the main question:  Who is holding LE accountable to make sure they continue to search for Donna?

I remember back in summer 2001 when that White House intern, Chandra Levy, went missing.  I heard on the news that daily a huge number of people go missing - some because the person ran away (like the runaway bride), and some due to foul play.  Of course, Donna went missing due to foul play.  The questions are:  1) Is she alive or not?  2) In either case, where is she?  

She needs to be found.  The family needs answers.  If Donna is no longer with us on this earth, she needs to be found and put to rest so the family can have closure.

Hope07 said, "She needs to be found.  The family needs answers.  If Donna is no longer with us on this earth, she needs to be found and put to rest so the family can have closure."    Yes Hope07, I strongly agree with you on this. 

I just visited this LAPD official website and looked through their missing persons cases - No Donna mentioned anywhere.

I searched their 2007 archives for their newsroom press releases or bulletins for the months of June and July - No Donna mentioned anywhere.

I don't get it.  I know she wasn't a resident of Los Angeles, but it was in L.A. that she was reported last seen.  Shouldn't they have information on their site when someone goes missing within their city?

Maybe I'm missing something.

http://www.lapdonline.org/june_2007

This girl's case seems to have fallen off the media radar. There's nothing going on.
She deserves to be found, and her family needs answers. What can be done to rejuvenate this case?

Can someone interpret this for me, please?  On the LASD page for Burgess it says:

RELEASE 
Actual Release Date: 11/13/2007       Release Time: 0752       Release Reason: CUST       Reason Description: CUSTODY RELEASE

Release Agency: WACO       Agency Description: WASCO STATE PRISON 53191AL       

Does that mean he was moved to this Wasco State Prison, or he was released???