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Title: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 - 3/20/15
Post by: MuffyBee on December 01, 2012, 11:07:22 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/NatbirdStephany2.gif)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868
Post by: wreck on August 16, 2013, 11:53:28 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Wow ............ first new thread since Dec 2012!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 16, 2013, 11:54:31 PM
 ::rhino::  it has been a while, I triple checked every thing, lol...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 17, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
EGADS...I think I lost # 866  ::MonkeyShocked:: I thought I put it in LCD Archives  ::MonkeyTears:: I'll look 4 it tomorrow


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2013, 10:01:27 AM
Thanks NUT!  Looks good to me!  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 18, 2013, 12:02:26 AM
EGADS...I think I lost # 866  ::MonkeyShocked:: I thought I put it in LCD Archives  ::MonkeyTears:: I'll look 4 it tomorrow

I'll bet it's out there with several practice threads I created....... eaten by the jaws of cyberworld, floating in an infinite universe!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

J/K.....You'll find it Nut!  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/yes_zps24772c08.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 18, 2013, 10:11:09 AM
EGADS...I think I lost # 866  ::MonkeyShocked:: I thought I put it in LCD Archives  ::MonkeyTears:: I'll look 4 it tomorrow

I'll bet it's out there with several practice threads I created....... eaten by the jaws of cyberworld, floating in an infinite universe!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

J/K.....You'll find it Nut!  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/yes_zps24772c08.gif)


I remember that feeling of losing a thread and the panicked pm's to fellow mods or Klaas way back when to help me look for it.  ::MonkeyEek::  I went and took a look, and #866 is where it belongs in the LCD Archives.  All is good.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2013, 11:56:49 PM
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Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13363.msg1572610#msg1572610

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/natalee_holloways_mother_settl.html

Natalee Holloway's mother settles lawsuit with National Enquirer

By Kent Faulk | kfaulk@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on August 06, 2013 at 4:04 PM, updated August 06, 2013 at 4:06 PM

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - The mother of Natalee Holloway, the Mountain Brook teen whose disappearance on a 2005 trip to Aruba triggered years of international headlines, has reached a settlement in a lawsuit against the National Enquirer, according to an order filed by a federal magistrate judge in Birmingham.

U.S. Magistrate Judge T. Michael Putnam issued an order of dismissal in the case last week. In that order the judge states that both sides had notified him that they had reached a settlement on all claims and they are awaiting the completion of the settlement agreement.

Putnam, however, states in his order that either side can re-open the case within 30 days if that becomes necessary.

Harlan Prater, one of the attorneys representing the National Enquirer, declined comment on the proposed settlement. Efforts to reach one of Holloway's attorneys were unsuccessful this afternoon.

The National Enquirer had recently asked Putnam to dismiss the lawsuit filed last year by Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway, against the tabloid.

Putnam on May 22 had dismissed invasion of privacy claims against the National Enquirer in Holloway's lawsuit but denied dismissal of the remainder of the lawsuit for the tort of outrage and intentional infliction of emotional distress. But attorneys for the National Enquirer and its parent company, American Media, on July 8 filed a motion seeking summary judgment to dismiss the remaining claims.

Beth Holloway filed the lawsuit on June 20, 2012 claiming the National Enquirer had published false and horrific headlines, statements, photographs and articles regarding the search for Natalee Holloway. The lawsuit seeks damages for three publications, on June 28, 2010, December 6, 2010, and April 25, 2011, which purport to describe treatment of Natalee Holloway's corpse.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2013, 11:43:10 PM
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20130814/LIVING0409/308140001/Out-About-Ernest-s-serves-breakfast-Tourist-Bureau-Crowd

Out & About: Ernest's serves breakfast to Tourist Bureau Crowd
 Aug. 13, 2013   |   0 Comments

 ::snipping3::

Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, the high school senior who disappeared while on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, will bring the message at the Gingerbread House 2013 Luncheon Oct. 16 at Sam’s Town Shreveport Hotel & Casino.

 ::snipping3::


http://www.gingerbreadhousecac.org/welcome.htm

Gingerbread House
National Children’s Alliance Accredited Member

The Gingerbread House Bossier/Caddo Children’s Advocacy Center is a community-based, 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that began serving abused children in 1998.  The Center works in close collaboration with local law enforcement, child protective services, the district attorney’s offices, and medical and mental health professionals to provide the best possible services for abused children and their families.

The Gingerbread House coordinates interviews and investigations with the referring agencies and other professionals from the initial screening to the final disposition of the case.  The Center assists in gathering evidence and documenting the victim’s verbal testimony, which is necessary for criminal prosecution and related proceedings.  Through the Center’s advocacy program, child victims and their families are prepared for the criminal justice process in such a way that prevents further victimization.  The Gingerbread House provides mental health interventions for child victims and their non-offending family members, so that the healing process can begin.  All services are provided at no cost to the victim’s family or referring agency.

In addition to the services provided for child abuse victims, the Gingerbread House provides training opportunities for professionals working in the field of child abuse, as well as community education regarding child abuse and its prevention.  The mission of the Gingerbread House is to lessen the trauma experienced by child abuse victims as allegations are investigated and to provide support for the child victim in any resulting proceedings within the criminal justice system.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2013, 12:01:31 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/68878-atraco-arma-riba-pareha-turista-canando-riba-beach

Papiamentu translation:

atraco arm on pareha tourist canando on beach

friday, 23 august 2013 10:33

one pareha procedente of italia canando on the beachnan among dutch village cu tamarijn owing to become victima of atraco arm. is they first visit at aruba. they're kedando at tamarijn y owing to probecha algo happen of mey night for goza one bit of we beachnan romanticamente. at dado instant saliendo for of tamarijn direccion dutch village canando owing to see two man sit is smoke cigaria. the pareha owing to march one some more direccion bushiri hotel. hour cu they was go back the two hombernan owing to arrive on the pareha y cuminsa exigi for coin. owing to bisanan cu not have coin. one arm of candela owing to wordo saca according both victima. after owing to ranca the bag of the lady y so they owing to bandona the area in same direccion cu owing to miranan is smoke cigaria at first instant. was have one van blanco y they owing to bandona the lugar in the van. polisnan owing to arrive y take detaye of the caso but owing to avisa also atraco team. owing to go cu they on the beach caminda the cos owing to happen. finalmente the is one expriencia much bad for her turistanan here. esnan cu is comete actonan so not know con big the danjo is.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2013.Aug.23.caso_tamarijn.front.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2013, 06:36:38 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20130902/15559/Mucha_di_15_ana_ta_desapareci_ultimo_biaha_su_amiganan_a_mire_diadomingo_3_or (http://www.awe24.com/20130902/15559/Mucha_di_15_ana_ta_desapareci_ultimo_biaha_su_amiganan_a_mire_diadomingo_3_or)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/15559/1_1378196284.jpg)



Polis y famianan ta pidi buskeda y/of paradero di un hobencita di 15 aña

Naam & voornamen : TROMP
Roepnaam / bijnaam : Charlotte Caryanne Maria
Geboortedatum en plaats : 12 december 1997 (15 jr)
Lengte : 1.68 m
Spraak / Taal : Papiamento
Bijzonderheden : Heeft een piercing aan beide oren en aan haar mond( rechter onderlip).
Laatst gezien : Tromp werd op 1 september 2013, omstreeks 03:00 uur, gezien bij de Olde Molen, door twee vriendinnen.

Si bo wak e of sa unda e ta yama 100, 911, tiplijn di polis 11141 of famia na Tel: 7441942.

Thru translator:

come across police y famianan is ask buskeda y/of paradero of one hobencita of 15 year naam & voornamen : tromp roepnaam / bijnaam : charlotte caryanne maria geboortedatum provided that plaats : 12 december 1997 (15 jr) lengte : 1.68 m spraak / taal : papiamento bijzonderheden : heeft een piercing aan beide oren provided that aan haar mond( rechter onderlip). laatst gezien : tromp werd op 1 september 2013, omstreeks 03:00 uur, gezien bij de olde molen, door twee vriendinnen. if do you look at the or know where the is calling 100, 911, tiplijn of police 11141 or family at tel: 7441942. come across

Comments.  It appears she was at a night club at 3am in the morning. 

Dave Ribbink · Follow · Top Commenter · Sound/Lighting Engineer at Occidental Grand Aruba
Halooooo Parents!!! Girl is 15 years old, what the hell she's doing 3 'o clock in the morning at a nightclub???
Come on!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2013, 07:12:38 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sebastian-van-der-sloot/71/7a1/371?trk=pub-pbmap

Sebastian van der Sloot
Student at Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Aruba

 ::snipping3::

Sebastian van der Sloot's Overview

Current
Sales And Marketing Assistant at Kukoo Kunuku

Past
Sales And Marketing Consultant at Do Good Aruba

Education
Erasmus University Rotterdam
International School of Aruba

Connections
21 connections

Sebastian van der Sloot's Experience

Sales And Marketing Assistant
Kukoo Kunuku
May 2013 – Present (5 months)

Sales And Marketing Consultant
Do Good Aruba
June 2012 – August 2012 (3 months)

Sebastian van der Sloot's Education

Erasmus University Rotterdam
Liberal Arts & Science, Social Science
2013 – 2016 (expected)

International School of Aruba
1997 – 2013
High school Diploma





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2013, 07:13:35 PM

http://www.kvk.aw/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=43471

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 DECEMBER 2011 under serial number 40963.1 is the company with the tradename:
 
DO GOOD ARUBA (GIFT MANUFACTURING)
 
Business address    J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 348-A, LOC 2, NOORD
Legal form    LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company    ALL HATTER N.V.
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of incorporation    21 JUNE 2011
     
Authorized capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 0.00
Fiscal year    01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
Main branch: ALL HATTER N.V. registered under number 40963 located at J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 348-C, NOORD
 
NOT IN POSSESSION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENSE
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CROES, RANDOLPH FRANCIS;
   
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 20 SEPTEMBER 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   21 JUNE 2011
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1. het exploiteren van


http://www.kvk.aw/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=42882

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 28 JUNE 2011 under serial number 40963.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
MAD HATTER
 
Business address    J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 348-C, NOORD
Legal form    LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company    ALL HATTER N.V.
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of incorporation    21 JUNE 2011
     
Authorized capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 0.00
Fiscal year    01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CROES, RANDOLPH FRANCIS;
   
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 20 SEPTEMBER 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   21 JUNE 2011
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
de kleinhandel in petten, HOEDEN EN ANDERE HOOFDBEDEKSELS, bijouterie


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
http://www.bondia.com/local/1001-pa-informacion-na-e-dononan-local

Pa informacion na e doonan local
TUESDAY, 08 JANUARY 2013 18:52
 9cpv

From: "Caribbean Palm Village Resort" Date: January 6, 2013, 9:47:38 PM EST Subject: January 6, 2013 Announcement Reply-To: noreply@cpvr.com Dear Members: Nearly two years ago this Board approached many of you and discussed with you our opinions and plans and asked if you would give us your support and your precious votes. You rewarded us by an overwhelming endorsement. The cornerstone of our commitment to you was a candid and open forum guided by honest and sound business principles. On January 5, 2013, as a result of a committee appointed by the Board of Directors consisting of Mr. Edward Hayes and Mr. Daniel Maloof, President and Vice President of the Board, the Board met in Executive Session to discuss the contents of an investigation completed by this committee relating to a complaint involving Mr. Randolph Francis Croes, Treasurer. The findings of that committee were reported out and a resolution was drafted and voted in the affirmative to remove Randolph Francis Croes, a duly elected member of the Board of Directors, serving as the Board Treasurer, from office. By Executive Order, I have appointed Mr. Daniel Maloof to tend to all affairs previously under the control of Mr. Croes. Respectfully Submitted Edward J. Hayes, Board President Caribbean Palm Village Resort NOTA: Un fiel lesado di Bon Dia y alabes miembro di CPV a pidi pa nos publica e carta pa sigura cu tur miembro di Aruba di Caribbean Palm Village Resort ricibi e carta.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2013, 07:34:24 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20130902/15559/Mucha_di_15_ana_ta_desapareci_ultimo_biaha_su_amiganan_a_mire_diadomingo_3_or (http://www.awe24.com/20130902/15559/Mucha_di_15_ana_ta_desapareci_ultimo_biaha_su_amiganan_a_mire_diadomingo_3_or)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/15559/1_1378196284.jpg)



Polis y famianan ta pidi buskeda y/of paradero di un hobencita di 15 aña

Naam & voornamen : TROMP
Roepnaam / bijnaam : Charlotte Caryanne Maria
Geboortedatum en plaats : 12 december 1997 (15 jr)
Lengte : 1.68 m
Spraak / Taal : Papiamento
Bijzonderheden : Heeft een piercing aan beide oren en aan haar mond( rechter onderlip).
Laatst gezien : Tromp werd op 1 september 2013, omstreeks 03:00 uur, gezien bij de Olde Molen, door twee vriendinnen.

Si bo wak e of sa unda e ta yama 100, 911, tiplijn di polis 11141 of famia na Tel: 7441942.

Thru translator:

come across police y famianan is ask buskeda y/of paradero of one hobencita of 15 year naam & voornamen : tromp roepnaam / bijnaam : charlotte caryanne maria geboortedatum provided that plaats : 12 december 1997 (15 jr) lengte : 1.68 m spraak / taal : papiamento bijzonderheden : heeft een piercing aan beide oren provided that aan haar mond( rechter onderlip). laatst gezien : tromp werd op 1 september 2013, omstreeks 03:00 uur, gezien bij de olde molen, door twee vriendinnen. if do you look at the or know where the is calling 100, 911, tiplijn of police 11141 or family at tel: 7441942. come across

Comments.  It appears she was at a night club at 3am in the morning. 

Dave Ribbink · Follow · Top Commenter · Sound/Lighting Engineer at Occidental Grand Aruba
Halooooo Parents!!! Girl is 15 years old, what the hell she's doing 3 'o clock in the morning at a nightclub???
Come on!!!

http://bukidipueblo.org/2013/09/04/damita-di-15ana-cu-tabata-perdi-a-ser-hana-na-un-cas-na-primavera/#.UikUcdI4SSo

Papiamentu translation:

damita of 15aña cu was perdi owing to being find at one cas at primavera

by admin tuesday nightfall police is find one tip cu the damita of 15aña charlotte caryanne maria tromp owing to being find. the damita here owing to being see 1 of september ultimo, for more or less 3′or of marduga at olde molen. the damita here owing to being señala or owing to stay at one click for read mas: http://solodipueblo.net/damita-di-15ana- cu-tabata-perdi-a-ser-hana-na-un-cas-na- primavera/ this entry wax posted in sun of people on september 4, 2013 by admin.

http://solodipueblo.net/damita-di-15ana-cu-tabata-perdi-a-ser-hana-na-un-cas-na-primavera/

Papiamentu translation:

damita of 15aña cu was perdi owing to being find at one cas at primavera 0 occasion first! tuesday nightfall police is find one tip cu the damita of 15aña charlotte caryanne maria tromp owing to being find. the damita here owing to being see 1 of september ultimo, for more or less 3′or of marduga at olde molen. the damita here owing to being señala or owing to stay at one adres at primavera. the damita tuesday nightfall just ela leave behind the cas at primavera come across, in compania of two person man police is jega. the damita owing to gewoon become march bay come across, y does not owing to talk cu the agent they policial.e two man they owing to sigi march y bandona the sitio. after of one rato of talk ela lever in patrol cu owing to dirigi his self for keep of police at beach. we can look at cu the caso they here is birando more y more frecuente. the part cu is wing we atencion is come across, what touch one child of 15aña 3′or of marduga upstairs caya come across??

(http://solodipueblo.net/wp-content/uploads/Charlotte-Tromp-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2013, 10:14:46 PM
I just find it so typically Aruba that they allow 15yr old kids in the bars.  So it looks like she didn't want to be found, at least not right away.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/dogoodaruba (https://www.facebook.com/dogoodaruba)

(https://sphotos-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/399774_280252988701628_858619009_n.jpg)

Company
At do good, the eye is on the bottle. This project involves re-purposing beautiful wine, liquor, beer, water, and soda bottles sourced from local businesses into elegant tumblers, drinking glasses, and distinctive vases.



(https://sphotos-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/67043_483449298381995_425265421_n.jpg)


do good aruba
May 5
Hi everyone-we wanted to let everyone know that as of late do good has decided to close its doors. After a tiring but successful run in doing what we set out to do-upcycle as many bottles as we could set our hands on and also do some further social good, we have had to decide to move on. Regretfully we were not able to sustain the business as we would have liked but we are forever grateful for the businesses and individuals that believed in this effort and continued to purchase our glasses. We will maintain this Facebook for now and use it to post some great eco-friendly ideas in recycling and upcycling and hope that we all continue in our own efforts to do good. Danki!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2013, 01:54:59 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

THE CLOCK NEVER STOPS ARUBA, AND YOUR TIME IS COMING...

TICK_TOCK


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2013, 11:25:27 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

THE CLOCK NEVER STOPS ARUBA, AND YOUR TIME IS COMING...

TICK_TOCK


 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::rhino::

 ::HelloKitty::  Hi KTF!   ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/162296-baby-beach-to-become-worldwide-attraction

‘Baby Beach to become worldwide attraction’   

MONDAY, 2 SEPTEMBER 2013 14:44

SAN NICOLAS — Baby Beach is to become a worldwide attraction with Blue Flag certification, for which the government will appropriate 1.7 million florins and Thiel Corporation will set to work in the next six months. Among other things this amount will be used to renovate the parking lot, for more green space, illumination, infrastructure for kiosks, and restrooms. Contractor Thiel Corporation won the public contract last Friday for the facelift of Baby Beach. Expectations are that the work will begin within three weeks and the project will be completed within six months. In addition to aforementioned facilities the company will also put up a partition between the beach and the new parking spots. The floor plan of the area also includes parking spots for tour busses. The existing low walls around the beach will be lengthened to prevent damage to the beach with downpours. Finally, Thiel will ramps adapted for the disabled and build an irrigation well.

Blue Flag

Minister of Tourism, Otmar Oduber (AVP), hopes that with the facelift Baby Beach will be the first beach of Aruba to be certified with the eco-label Blue Flag. At the moment there are only five islands in the Caribbean Sea that have one or more beaches with the certificate, namely St. Maarten (1), Martinique (1), Puerto Rico (7), Dominican Republic (18) and the American Virgin Islands (5).

The plans to have Aruban beaches certified by Blue Flag go all the way back to seven years. In 2011 the government announced that Baby Beach, Mangel Halto and Arashi were to the first to qualify. The Foundation for Environmental Education (FEE), to which Blue Flag belong, supposedly made agreements with the Marine Park Foundation to certify these beaches. Once these beaches have the eco-label they are to serve as model for certification of other beaches in the future. Certification with the eco-label could mean a boost to tourism. Europeans in particular are environment-minded and often choose a holiday destination with this international eco-certification, ATA reported in 2011.

To obtain a certification the beaches are to meet 32 criterions in the following themes: (environment) education, water quality, conservation of nature, and safety & facilities. The criterion includes education and awareness on the flora fauna on the beach and in the sea. The quality of the water must be excellent and be tested on a regular basis. It’s also important that the beaches have restrooms, trash cans, access for handicapped persons, rescue material and beach guards.

Dangers

Warning signs and buoys were already placed at Baby Beach in August 2012 to warn swimmers of the undercurrent and to explain the beach rules. Despite earlier plans the immediate reason to put up the signs was the umpteenth death by drowning. Professional basket ball player Dan Roundfield had namely drowned at Baby Beach earlier that month.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2013, 10:17:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 08, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Just a reminder--Continuance of Defendant's motion for judgment on the pleadings

Old Hearing Date:    June 18, 2013
New Hearing Date:  September 10, 2013

Reply #762
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13363.760


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2013, 02:42:04 PM
Just a reminder--Continuance of Defendant's motion for judgment on the pleadings

Old Hearing Date:    June 18, 2013
New Hearing Date:  September 10, 2013

Reply #762
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13363.760

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI (https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI)


Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

09/10/2013 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS


Documents Filed | Proceeding Information

Parties

CBS PARAMOUNT DOMESTIC TELEVISION - Defendant/Respondent's AKA

CBS TELEVISION DISTRIBUTION GROUP - Defendant/Respondent

CREMER KOPON SHAUGHNESSY & SPINA LLC - Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

DOES 1-50 - Defendant/Respondent

FORD WALKER HAGGERTY & BEHAR - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

GIRARDI THOMAS V. ESQ. - Attorney for Pltf/Petnr

JACKSON WALKER L.L.P. - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

KALPOE DEEPAK - Plaintiff/Petitioner

KALPOE SATISH - Plaintiff/Petitioner

MCGRAW PHILLIP C. - Defendant/Respondent

PETESKI PRODUCTIONS INC. - Defendant/Respondent

SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES INC. - Defendant/Respondent

SKEETERS JAMIE - Defendant/Respondent

SKEETERS KAY AS EXECUTRIX OF THE ESTATE - Defendant/Respondent




08/26/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (COMPENDIUM OF FOREIGN CASE LAW CITED IN PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS ON THE FRAUD/NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION AND MISAPPROPRIATION OF LIKENESS CAUSE)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Declaration (OF I. BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Opposition Document (to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

Documents highlighted in green not available yet to purchase  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 08, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
Thank you for the reminder & updates , Grace-land & Klaas.   ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 09, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought we were delayed until 2014!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
No fear wreck, it will be.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 09, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought we were delayed until 2014!

As I understand it, this is the Plaintiff's opposition to the Defendant's motion for judgment on the pleadings.

FSC Date is April 7, 2014
Trial Date is April 21, 2014
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 09, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2013/09/missing_in_michigan_event_to_h.html

'Missing in Michigan' event to help families of missing person find answers
on September 05, 2013 at 8:20 PM, updated September 06, 2013 at 7:38 AM

LANSING – The Michigan State Police are hosting "Missing in Michigan", an event for families and friends affected by the disappearance of a family member. The event will be held at the Eagle Eye Golf Club at 15500 Chandler Road in Bath Township from 1:00 to 5:00 p.m. on Sunday.

Prior to the event, there will be a roundtable discussion from 9:00 to 11:30 a.m. for families with a missing loved one. The discussion will be led by Duane Bowers, the author of "Guiding Your Family Through Loss and Grief."

Also appearing will be Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway – the Alabama college student who disappeared in Aruba in 2005. Beth is also a bestselling author of the book "Loving Natalee."
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2013, 09:24:23 PM
Just a reminder--Continuance of Defendant's motion for judgment on the pleadings

Old Hearing Date:    June 18, 2013
New Hearing Date:  September 10, 2013

Reply #762
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13363.760

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI (https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI)


Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

09/10/2013 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS


Documents Filed | Proceeding Information

Parties

CBS PARAMOUNT DOMESTIC TELEVISION - Defendant/Respondent's AKA

CBS TELEVISION DISTRIBUTION GROUP - Defendant/Respondent

CREMER KOPON SHAUGHNESSY & SPINA LLC - Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

DOES 1-50 - Defendant/Respondent

FORD WALKER HAGGERTY & BEHAR - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

GIRARDI THOMAS V. ESQ. - Attorney for Pltf/Petnr

JACKSON WALKER L.L.P. - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

KALPOE DEEPAK - Plaintiff/Petitioner

KALPOE SATISH - Plaintiff/Petitioner

MCGRAW PHILLIP C. - Defendant/Respondent

PETESKI PRODUCTIONS INC. - Defendant/Respondent

SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES INC. - Defendant/Respondent

SKEETERS JAMIE - Defendant/Respondent

SKEETERS KAY AS EXECUTRIX OF THE ESTATE - Defendant/Respondent




08/26/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (COMPENDIUM OF FOREIGN CASE LAW CITED IN PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS ON THE FRAUD/NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION AND MISAPPROPRIATION OF LIKENESS CAUSE)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Declaration (OF I. BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Opposition Document (to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

Documents highlighted in green not available yet to purchase  ::MonkeyCool::

Continued to October 1, 2013


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MinuteOrderKalpoe091013_zpsd11106cd.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Thanks Klaas, and anonymous monkey that purchases the court documents for us!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 14, 2013, 08:28:04 AM
 ::justice2nj2::
Thanks Klaas, and anonymous monkey that purchases the court documents for us!   ::MonkeyKiss::

^^^^^^
 ::rhino::  Ditto!   ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2013, 04:45:20 PM
http://www.bnr.nl/nieuws/politiek/495820-1309/nederland-haalt-landgenoten-in-buitenlandse-cel-vaker-terug

Google translation

Netherlands takes compatriots in foreign cell more often
September 19, 2013 8:21 AM

Netherlands closes increasingly bear to convicted persons to leave. Their sentences in the country of origin of That says international criminal lawyer Geert-Jan Knoops. The House vote today on such a treaty with Peru.
 ::snipping3::

Joran van der Sloot
The treaty with Peru Joran van der Sloot would perhaps mean that in total he may serve, although the U.S. now also preys on the extradition of Van der Sloot for extortion in the case of Natalie the remainder of his sentence of 28 years in the Netherlands Holloway.

This extradition case can for Van der Sloot throw a spanner in the works, says Knoops. "Peru has so far said he must serve his sentence here in Peru and then he just might if that's the case, can Joran van der Sloot at least not yet use this new treaty to America.. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Disturbing article imo...I guess Amy Bradley, James Edward Hogan, and Stephen Sudduth (to name a few) didn't quite do it for them?

Have to wonder what victim(s)...tragedy...international drama, might eventually be considered their dream come true?

To my knowledge Aruba hasn't renamed the airport for Natalee, so maybe he was saying they should?  Would that really attract more tourists?

IMO, blatant reminder of what it's all about...TOURISM.  Don't ever forget it!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.curacaochronicle.com/columns/holy-mary-apparition/

Published On: Mon, Sep 16th, 2013 Columns / Featured | By Jacob Gelt Dekker

Holy Mary Apparition

In tourism, an island like Curacao needs to set itself apart from competitors by uniqueness.

 ::snipping3::

So, how do we create a ” Holy Mary Apparition” for the island tourist industry of Curacao???

Let’s look at a few success stories nearby. Jamaica had Bob Marley, who became the Saint of Reggae music and the High Priest of the Rasta movement. Marley became immortal for millions and millions around the world and did more for the PR of Jamaica than any agency could have done. A grand drama acted out in Aruba with the beautiful, young, naive and innocent, Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while vacationing on the island. She was probably brutally murdered by the ultimate villain, Joran van der Sloot. It was a drama written in heaven of global appeal that echoed through the media worldwide for years and made Aruba famous and infamous, at the same time. Aruba would seal Natalee’s fate for eternity as an island saint by renaming the airport, “Natalee Holloway Airport.”

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 22, 2013, 09:49:39 PM
Disturbing article imo...I guess Amy Bradley, James Edward Hogan, and Stephen Sudduth (to name a few) didn't quite do it for them?

Have to wonder what victim(s)...tragedy...international drama, might eventually be considered their dream come true?

To my knowledge Aruba hasn't renamed the airport for Natalee, so maybe he was saying they should?  Would that really attract more tourists?

IMO, blatant reminder of what it's all about...TOURISM.  Don't ever forget it!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.curacaochronicle.com/columns/holy-mary-apparition/

Published On: Mon, Sep 16th, 2013 Columns / Featured | By Jacob Gelt Dekker

Holy Mary Apparition

In tourism, an island like Curacao needs to set itself apart from competitors by uniqueness.

 ::snipping3::

So, how do we create a ” Holy Mary Apparition” for the island tourist industry of Curacao???

Let’s look at a few success stories nearby. Jamaica had Bob Marley, who became the Saint of Reggae music and the High Priest of the Rasta movement. Marley became immortal for millions and millions around the world and did more for the PR of Jamaica than any agency could have done. A grand drama acted out in Aruba with the beautiful, young, naive and innocent, Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while vacationing on the island. She was probably brutally murdered by the ultimate villain, Joran van der Sloot. It was a drama written in heaven of global appeal that echoed through the media worldwide for years and made Aruba famous and infamous, at the same time. Aruba would seal Natalee’s fate for eternity as an island saint by renaming the airport, “Natalee Holloway Airport.”

 ::snipping3::


This is one of those articles where you want to jump on before you actually read and digest what the author is saying. I read the article and am now even MORE upset. What crapolla!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 23, 2013, 03:27:58 AM
Disturbing article imo...I guess Amy Bradley, James Edward Hogan, and Stephen Sudduth (to name a few) didn't quite do it for them?

Have to wonder what victim(s)...tragedy...international drama, might eventually be considered their dream come true?

To my knowledge Aruba hasn't renamed the airport for Natalee, so maybe he was saying they should?  Would that really attract more tourists?

IMO, blatant reminder of what it's all about...TOURISM.  Don't ever forget it!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.curacaochronicle.com/columns/holy-mary-apparition/

Published On: Mon, Sep 16th, 2013 Columns / Featured | By Jacob Gelt Dekker

Holy Mary Apparition

In tourism, an island like Curacao needs to set itself apart from competitors by uniqueness.

 ::snipping3::

So, how do we create a ” Holy Mary Apparition” for the island tourist industry of Curacao???

Let’s look at a few success stories nearby. Jamaica had Bob Marley, who became the Saint of Reggae music and the High Priest of the Rasta movement. Marley became immortal for millions and millions around the world and did more for the PR of Jamaica than any agency could have done. A grand drama acted out in Aruba with the beautiful, young, naive and innocent, Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while vacationing on the island. She was probably brutally murdered by the ultimate villain, Joran van der Sloot. It was a drama written in heaven of global appeal that echoed through the media worldwide for years and made Aruba famous and infamous, at the same time. Aruba would seal Natalee’s fate for eternity as an island saint by renaming the airport, “Natalee Holloway Airport.”

 ::snipping3::


Oh geez. I don't want Natalee's remains on that island (or near it), and I don't want her name on that island or anything at all about Natalee on that Hell Hole. Name an airport for her HERE at HOME after her remains arrive through the same airport so Beth can give her an appropriate burial!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2013, 11:18:55 PM
ITA with you both Wreck, and CBB!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 24, 2013, 09:01:38 AM
Beth would never allow it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 24, 2013, 10:24:03 AM
Beth would never allow it  ::MonkeyCool::

Exactly! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2013, 06:08:47 PM
Beth would never allow it  ::MonkeyCool::

Exactly! 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2013, 06:12:59 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 26, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
Disturbing article imo...I guess Amy Bradley, James Edward Hogan, and Stephen Sudduth (to name a few) didn't quite do it for them?

Have to wonder what victim(s)...tragedy...international drama, might eventually be considered their dream come true?

To my knowledge Aruba hasn't renamed the airport for Natalee, so maybe he was saying they should?  Would that really attract more tourists?

IMO, blatant reminder of what it's all about...TOURISM.  Don't ever forget it!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.curacaochronicle.com/columns/holy-mary-apparition/

Published On: Mon, Sep 16th, 2013 Columns / Featured | By Jacob Gelt Dekker

Holy Mary Apparition

In tourism, an island like Curacao needs to set itself apart from competitors by uniqueness.

 ::snipping3::

So, how do we create a ” Holy Mary Apparition” for the island tourist industry of Curacao???

Let’s look at a few success stories nearby. Jamaica had Bob Marley, who became the Saint of Reggae music and the High Priest of the Rasta movement. Marley became immortal for millions and millions around the world and did more for the PR of Jamaica than any agency could have done. A grand drama acted out in Aruba with the beautiful, young, naive and innocent, Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while vacationing on the island. She was probably brutally murdered by the ultimate villain, Joran van der Sloot. It was a drama written in heaven of global appeal that echoed through the media worldwide for years and made Aruba famous and infamous, at the same time. Aruba would seal Natalee’s fate for eternity as an island saint by renaming the airport, “Natalee Holloway Airport.”

 ::snipping3::




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7WO_G1Bbw


GIVE NATALEE BACK TO AMERICA[ b]

Then we'll name the airport for you your jackals.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 26, 2013, 11:29:14 PM

   ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 27, 2013, 12:02:06 AM
They ought to name the airport after what they are known world-wide for  ----- "Debauchery Field"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on September 28, 2013, 04:17:50 PM
One Killing Island Airport


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2013, 11:13:38 PM
http://www.caribjournal.com/2013/09/28/ruling-party-wins-aruba-election/

Ruling Party Wins Aruba Election

September 28, 2013 | 11:41 am |

(http://www.caribjournal.com/wp-content/themes/NewsTime/thumb.php?src=http://www.caribjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/arub1.jpg&w=568&zc=1&q=80&bid=1)

Above: PM Mike Eman celebrates victory

By the Caribbean Journal staff

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman’s ruling Aruban People’s Party claimed victory in the Dutch island’s elections on Friday.

The AVP won 13 seats in the Estates of Aruba, with the People’s Electoral Movement (MEP) finishing second with seven seats, according to preliminary results from Aruba’s government elections office.

 ::snipping3::

The win means another four years for Eman and the AVP in power, following the party’s victory in the 2009 vote. When confirmed, the results would represent a one-seat improvement for the AVP for its results in 2009.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on September 28, 2013, 11:17:10 PM

Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2013, 11:30:50 PM

Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 ::justice2nj2::



 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Lifesong, great to see you!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
http://www.law360.com/ip/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

By Matthew Heller 0 Comments

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.

McGraw and co-defendants CBS Television Distribution Group and Peteski Productions Inc. had argued that the footage of the Kalpoes could not be carved out as actionable when the brothers were not alleging the entire broadcast was false.

"If [the Kalpoes'] argument were to be true, the newsworthiness exception to a misappropriation [of likeness] claim would be totally vitiated, it just wouldn't exist,” McGraw's attorney Nancy Hamilton said

“In every single instance, every single defamation case, any time anyone is represented in the press, on television or otherwise, they would likewise have a misappropriation claim," she continued. "That's just not the law."

On another of the Kalpoes' claims, Judge McLaughlin tentatively ruled they could not hold the defendants liable for misrepresentations that the private investigator, Jamie Skeeters, allegedly made to Deepak Kalpoe to secure the interview with him. Another judge had previously dismissed Deepak Kalpoe's claims against Skeeters, who died in 2007.

 ::snipping3::

“The Dr. Phil Show” billed the Sept. 15, 2005, episode as an exclusive featuring “new evidence in the Natalee Holloway mystery.” The Kalpoes filed their suit in December 2006, alleging multiple claims including libel, slander, fraudulent misrepresentation and violation of their “right to exclusive ownership and control of their likeness and story regarding Natalee Holloway's disappearance.”

In court papers, the defendants said the publicity rights claim should be tossed under the exception for publication of matters of public interest because the Kalpoes had not alleged “the subject broadcast was 'entirely false' ... or that Deepak never met with Skeeters.”

“Indeed, the [first amended complaint] states that Natalee Holloway's disappearance received extensive media attention throughout the summer of 2005 and that plaintiffs along with Joran van der Sloot were targeted as persons of interest,” they added.

But Judge McLaughlin said at Tuesday's hearing that he had not found any conclusive case law and he thought the defendants should not be excused from liability "just because the broadcast also includes newsworthy items.”

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 29, 2013, 06:22:37 AM

Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 ::justice2nj2::



Done!  ::justice2nj2::  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 30, 2013, 04:45:27 AM
http://www.law360.com/ip/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

By Matthew Heller 0 Comments

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.

McGraw and co-defendants CBS Television Distribution Group and Peteski Productions Inc. had argued that the footage of the Kalpoes could not be carved out as actionable when the brothers were not alleging the entire broadcast was false.

"If [the Kalpoes'] argument were to be true, the newsworthiness exception to a misappropriation [of likeness] claim would be totally vitiated, it just wouldn't exist,” McGraw's attorney Nancy Hamilton said

“In every single instance, every single defamation case, any time anyone is represented in the press, on television or otherwise, they would likewise have a misappropriation claim," she continued. "That's just not the law."

On another of the Kalpoes' claims, Judge McLaughlin tentatively ruled they could not hold the defendants liable for misrepresentations that the private investigator, Jamie Skeeters, allegedly made to Deepak Kalpoe to secure the interview with him. Another judge had previously dismissed Deepak Kalpoe's claims against Skeeters, who died in 2007.

 ::snipping3::

“The Dr. Phil Show” billed the Sept. 15, 2005, episode as an exclusive featuring “new evidence in the Natalee Holloway mystery.” The Kalpoes filed their suit in December 2006, alleging multiple claims including libel, slander, fraudulent misrepresentation and violation of their “right to exclusive ownership and control of their likeness and story regarding Natalee Holloway's disappearance.”

In court papers, the defendants said the publicity rights claim should be tossed under the exception for publication of matters of public interest because the Kalpoes had not alleged “the subject broadcast was 'entirely false' ... or that Deepak never met with Skeeters.”

“Indeed, the [first amended complaint] states that Natalee Holloway's disappearance received extensive media attention throughout the summer of 2005 and that plaintiffs along with Joran van der Sloot were targeted as persons of interest,” they added.

But Judge McLaughlin said at Tuesday's hearing that he had not found any conclusive case law and he thought the defendants should not be excused from liability "just because the broadcast also includes newsworthy items.”

 ::snipping3::

What does this mean?  Is it that what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something in general that should pertain to everyone or what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something pertaining to what was actually happened on his show with the Kalpoes in particular?

I know that isn't clear, but I am not sure how to clear it up.  What I am trying to ask is did the judge look at the evidence and say Dr. Phil should not have done x to the Kalpoes in particular or is the judge saying no one, generally speaking, should ever get out of a lawsuit using this reasoning?

Does this mean that Dr. Phil would be better off settling with Kalpoes or is the judge saying by restricting their claims, it sets a bad precedence in general, but it has nothing to do with the way he is going to rule in the case?

I have tried  three different ways above to ask the same question and it still sounds unclear.  I know what I am asking, I just don't know how to ask it.  Can anyone help me out here or is my question still as clear as mud?

One more time, is he saying:

Stop trying to wiggle out of it using that reasoning and fight like a man or what you actually did to the Kalpoes was wrong?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on October 01, 2013, 07:53:05 AM
http://www.law360.com/ip/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

By Matthew Heller 0 Comments

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.

McGraw and co-defendants CBS Television Distribution Group and Peteski Productions Inc. had argued that the footage of the Kalpoes could not be carved out as actionable when the brothers were not alleging the entire broadcast was false.

"If [the Kalpoes'] argument were to be true, the newsworthiness exception to a misappropriation [of likeness] claim would be totally vitiated, it just wouldn't exist,” McGraw's attorney Nancy Hamilton said

“In every single instance, every single defamation case, any time anyone is represented in the press, on television or otherwise, they would likewise have a misappropriation claim," she continued. "That's just not the law."

On another of the Kalpoes' claims, Judge McLaughlin tentatively ruled they could not hold the defendants liable for misrepresentations that the private investigator, Jamie Skeeters, allegedly made to Deepak Kalpoe to secure the interview with him. Another judge had previously dismissed Deepak Kalpoe's claims against Skeeters, who died in 2007.

 ::snipping3::

“The Dr. Phil Show” billed the Sept. 15, 2005, episode as an exclusive featuring “new evidence in the Natalee Holloway mystery.” The Kalpoes filed their suit in December 2006, alleging multiple claims including libel, slander, fraudulent misrepresentation and violation of their “right to exclusive ownership and control of their likeness and story regarding Natalee Holloway's disappearance.”

In court papers, the defendants said the publicity rights claim should be tossed under the exception for publication of matters of public interest because the Kalpoes had not alleged “the subject broadcast was 'entirely false' ... or that Deepak never met with Skeeters.”

“Indeed, the [first amended complaint] states that Natalee Holloway's disappearance received extensive media attention throughout the summer of 2005 and that plaintiffs along with Joran van der Sloot were targeted as persons of interest,” they added.

But Judge McLaughlin said at Tuesday's hearing that he had not found any conclusive case law and he thought the defendants should not be excused from liability "just because the broadcast also includes newsworthy items.”

 ::snipping3::

What does this mean?  Is it that what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something in general that should pertain to everyone or what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something pertaining to what was actually happened on his show with the Kalpoes in particular?

I know that isn't clear, but I am not sure how to clear it up.  What I am trying to ask is did the judge look at the evidence and say Dr. Phil should not have done x to the Kalpoes in particular or is the judge saying no one, generally speaking, should ever get out of a lawsuit using this reasoning?

Does this mean that Dr. Phil would be better off settling with Kalpoes or is the judge saying by restricting their claims, it sets a bad precedence in general, but it has nothing to do with the way he is going to rule in the case?

I have tried  three different ways above to ask the same question and it still sounds unclear.  I know what I am asking, I just don't know how to ask it.  Can anyone help me out here or is my question still as clear as mud?

One more time, is he saying:

Stop trying to wiggle out of it using that reasoning and fight like a man or what you actually did to the Kalpoes was wrong?



The judge is only speaking as to the law in general -- not the specifics of this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 02, 2013, 01:55:46 AM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on October 02, 2013, 07:40:09 AM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

Prayers to your family from the monkey family.

Cadillac


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2013, 08:05:43 AM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

I'm so sorry.   
 ::MonkeyTears::  Rest in peace billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 02, 2013, 08:59:12 AM
I'm so sorry to hear this.  He always fought for Natalee.  Prayers for you family.  May he rest in peace.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 02, 2013, 09:26:30 AM
http://www.law360.com/ip/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

By Matthew Heller 0 Comments

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.

McGraw and co-defendants CBS Television Distribution Group and Peteski Productions Inc. had argued that the footage of the Kalpoes could not be carved out as actionable when the brothers were not alleging the entire broadcast was false.

"If [the Kalpoes'] argument were to be true, the newsworthiness exception to a misappropriation [of likeness] claim would be totally vitiated, it just wouldn't exist,” McGraw's attorney Nancy Hamilton said

“In every single instance, every single defamation case, any time anyone is represented in the press, on television or otherwise, they would likewise have a misappropriation claim," she continued. "That's just not the law."

On another of the Kalpoes' claims, Judge McLaughlin tentatively ruled they could not hold the defendants liable for misrepresentations that the private investigator, Jamie Skeeters, allegedly made to Deepak Kalpoe to secure the interview with him. Another judge had previously dismissed Deepak Kalpoe's claims against Skeeters, who died in 2007.

 ::snipping3::

“The Dr. Phil Show” billed the Sept. 15, 2005, episode as an exclusive featuring “new evidence in the Natalee Holloway mystery.” The Kalpoes filed their suit in December 2006, alleging multiple claims including libel, slander, fraudulent misrepresentation and violation of their “right to exclusive ownership and control of their likeness and story regarding Natalee Holloway's disappearance.”

In court papers, the defendants said the publicity rights claim should be tossed under the exception for publication of matters of public interest because the Kalpoes had not alleged “the subject broadcast was 'entirely false' ... or that Deepak never met with Skeeters.”

“Indeed, the [first amended complaint] states that Natalee Holloway's disappearance received extensive media attention throughout the summer of 2005 and that plaintiffs along with Joran van der Sloot were targeted as persons of interest,” they added.

But Judge McLaughlin said at Tuesday's hearing that he had not found any conclusive case law and he thought the defendants should not be excused from liability "just because the broadcast also includes newsworthy items.”

 ::snipping3::

What does this mean?  Is it that what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something in general that should pertain to everyone or what Dr. Phil is trying to do is not okay because of something pertaining to what was actually happened on his show with the Kalpoes in particular?

I know that isn't clear, but I am not sure how to clear it up.  What I am trying to ask is did the judge look at the evidence and say Dr. Phil should not have done x to the Kalpoes in particular or is the judge saying no one, generally speaking, should ever get out of a lawsuit using this reasoning?

Does this mean that Dr. Phil would be better off settling with Kalpoes or is the judge saying by restricting their claims, it sets a bad precedence in general, but it has nothing to do with the way he is going to rule in the case?

I have tried  three different ways above to ask the same question and it still sounds unclear.  I know what I am asking, I just don't know how to ask it.  Can anyone help me out here or is my question still as clear as mud?

One more time, is he saying:

Stop trying to wiggle out of it using that reasoning and fight like a man or what you actually did to the Kalpoes was wrong?



The judge is only speaking as to the law in general -- not the specifics of this case.

Thanks, Wreck.  That's what I thought it said, but I was confused by the headline.
      ::MonkeyConfused::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 02, 2013, 09:33:06 AM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

My heart goes out to you and your family and all who loved billb.  Thanks so much for letting us know.  Prayers for all of you.  Natalee has another angel leading us towards the truth, so we can bring her home to her loving family.

    ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on October 02, 2013, 07:30:44 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 
Wow -- I'm so saddened to hear of this! There are not a lot of guys here - "Keep The Faith" and I in particular will really miss him. My sincerest condolences to your family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 02, 2013, 07:53:49 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

I'm so sorry.  Sending my deepest sympathy to you and your family.  May God grant billb eternal peace and everlasting joy.
He was always here--working for justice for Natalee and her family.
He will be missed.  :smt054
Rest in Peace, dear billb.  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on October 02, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

billb's daughter,

I am so shocked to learn of this sad, sad news.

billb will be greatly missed, but never forgotten. He waa a great part of this Monkey family..

Please let your family know how much he is missed and how much our hearts go out to you and
your family at this sorrowful time. Words are never enough but I hope your heart will heal
knowing how much billb was loved and respected by me and all of us here at SM.

 ::MonkeyHeart::



 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on October 02, 2013, 08:59:12 PM
lifesong,
so good to see you here.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on October 02, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

So very sorry to hear this news.  My condolences to you and your family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

So sad...my sincere condolences to you and your family.  Thank you for letting us know. 

Rest in peace, billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2013, 01:58:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing/posts/664890740196073

Natalee Holloway Resource Center
Beth Holloway will be on the Katie Couric show today at 4pm, speaking on the foundation. Be sure to tune in. If you have any questions feel free to ask us!
about an hour ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2013, 07:01:49 PM
I read this a while ago, and I thought of it again last night after I read the news about billb.

So true...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/609546472411305/

Posted by Louis Swartzkopf

Quote
It has been over 97 months since Natalee has been missing. It seems as though time is like the sand slipping through open fingers and there is nothing we can do to stop the sand. But, there is one thing that we can do and that is to continue to speak of Natalee, to be her defender against any who try to besmirch her name or the name of any of her family members. We can be her voice to ensure that she is remembered and not forgotten.

Over the past 97 months many people from all over the world, have put their heart and soul into doing whatever they could to try and find the answers, the truth, and Natalee. So, why are we still here and how have we been able to continue on in our quest for resolution? It is because we have faith, we have hope, we have prayer, and we are part of an extended family of wonderful, dedicated, caring people, who continue to take that step beyond with a dedication and compassion, not only to Natalee and her family, but to others of us who need encouragement or have experienced sorrow, loss and disappointment.

There is only one reason for all of this and it is all due to one beautiful, young woman named Natalee Ann Holloway. She has created an unforgettable legacy that will live on forever - a legacy of faith, hope and love.

July 10 at 7:45pm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 03, 2013, 07:38:45 PM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2013, 08:49:55 PM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks TM!  I was going to start a new post for the Bucuti Cam Archives but I'll quote instead  ::MonkeyCool::  Looking empty at Bucuti Beach going back quite a while!

http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?page=0&sort=&perPage=&album=

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/272.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks TM!  I was going to start a new post for the Bucuti Cam Archives but I'll quote instead  ::MonkeyCool::  Looking empty at Bucuti Beach going back quite a while!

http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?page=0&sort=&perPage=&album=

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/272.zoom1.jpg)

Home Rental Robbery

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97899

Rudeness at Costa Linda Breach Resort Store

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97853

Worst meal in Aruba - I see Buccaneer got mentioned a few times

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97836





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 03, 2013, 09:19:24 PM

billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 



Prayers to your family from the monkey family.

Cadillac

I'm so sorry.   
 ::MonkeyTears::  Rest in peace billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::



I'm so sorry to hear this.  He always fought for Natalee.  Prayers for you family.  May he rest in peace.



My heart goes out to you and your family and all who loved billb.  Thanks so much for letting us know.  Prayers for all of you.  Natalee has another angel leading us towards the truth, so we can bring her home to her loving family.

    ::MonkeyAngel::



Wow -- I'm so saddened to hear of this! There are not a lot of guys here - "Keep The Faith" and I in particular will really miss him. My sincerest condolences to your family.

I'm so sorry.  Sending my deepest sympathy to you and your family.  May God grant billb eternal peace and everlasting joy.
He was always here--working for justice for Natalee and her family.
He will be missed.  :smt054
Rest in Peace, dear billb.  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyTears::



billb's daughter,

I am so shocked to learn of this sad, sad news.

billb will be greatly missed, but never forgotten. He waa a great part of this Monkey family..

Please let your family know how much he is missed and how much our hearts go out to you and
your family at this sorrowful time. Words are never enough but I hope your heart will heal
knowing how much billb was loved and respected by me and all of us here at SM.

 ::MonkeyHeart:: 




 

So very sorry to hear this news.  My condolences to you and your family.



So sad...my sincere condolences to you and your family.  Thank you for letting us know. 

Rest in peace, billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::


I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Dear billb's daughters:

My love to your family and to all of billb's loved ones.  I shall remember him fondly and speak well of him always.  May you have comfort and peace.

- Lifesong



This is sad news to me in many ways.  I remember when billb first joined the forum I thought he was robots come back, their posting styles seemed so similar to me.

In the end, I know I didn't always agree with billb, but I loved that he was here.  And he often made me chuckle.


Here's a fun link to a stackaholic Post from the Past in his honor:

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba??? (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg677514#msg677514)


"We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee" - billb




Klaas & The Amazing Mods:  Please forgive, as a fellow stack-aholic, I couldn't resist.


Godspeed, billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2013, 10:40:05 PM
I love all the stackin'...Klaas you're awesome!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::

My monkey friends...YOU ROCK!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::CowboySmiley::

Lifesong, that is an awesomely beautiful ginormous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Wow, I knew we did some stackin' but I'd forgotten how bad we really were!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

That blast from the past is too funny!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2013, 11:14:48 PM
It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2013, 12:40:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2013, 03:05:41 AM
I am sincerely sorry to hear of billb's passing.   God Speed, billb and condolences to your family. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2013, 12:38:34 AM
http://www.katc.com/news/an-evening-with-beth-holloway-set-for-oct-17th/

LAFAYETTE

(http://www.katc.com/images/thumbnails/C168F255538C3900C3CCA89E0DC9B787_292_292.jpg)

'An Evening with Beth Holloway' set for Oct. 17th
Posted: Oct 3, 2013 10:09 AM by MELISSA CANONE (MGN ONLINE)

An Evening with Beth Holloway presented by Chitimacha Louisiana Open will be held Thursday, October 17, 2013 at East Bayou benefiting Hearts of Hope.

Beth Holloway, known for her heroic efforts to find her missing daughter, Natalee in Aruba in 2005, will be speaking at East Bayou on October 17th. Beth's public struggle to search and cope with her daughter's abduction during her high school graduation trip has touched many hearts. Since the tragic event, she has delivered an uplifting message of hope, faith, and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the U.S.

For more than 50 years combined, Hearts of Hope has responded daily to families affected by sexual violence in through education, advocacy and empowerment. Proceeds from the event will be donated to Hearts of Hope's three programs that serve 8 parishes of Acadiana: Children's Advocacy Center, Sexual Abuse Response Center and Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners.

Ticket sales are now available online at www.theheartsofhope.org More information about the event as well as sponsorship opportunities available, contact Natalie Johnson at (337) 269-1557. Doors open at 5:30 p.m. Program starts at 6:00 p.m.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2013, 12:40:04 AM
http://www.theheartsofhope.org/newsandevents

 ::snipping3::

10/17/2013   

An Evening With Beth Holloway presented by Chitimacha Louisiana Open -

How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifted by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong? Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

Her life changed quite dramatically in the summer of 2005 when her daughter Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high graduation trip to Aruba. This tragic story became the leading news mystery when it happened, and continues to make headlines today. Beth has appeared on every television network in the nation as well as on international TV and radio and in international newspapers, capturing the world’s attention as she searched for her daughter.

Barbara Walters selected Beth Holloway as one of the world’s most fascinating people for her perseverance in seeking answers to what happened to Natalee.

Beth has delivered her message of hope, faith and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the United States. To date, she has presented her message to tens of thousands of students and parents alike in high schools, colleges, churches, local and national conventions and other venues, and to law enforcement officials, Attorney Generals, Mayors’ Conferences, professional associations, prayer breakfasts and many others.

As a New York Times Best Selling author ("Loving Natalee" also a Lifetime Movie) and a veteran educator, Beth continues to work on educating the public on safer travel. To that end she offers her half-day Travel-Ed Workshop to all ages.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
http://www.theheartsofhope.org/newsandevents

 ::snipping3::

10/17/2013   

An Evening With Beth Holloway presented by Chitimacha Louisiana Open -

How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifted by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong? Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

Her life changed quite dramatically in the summer of 2005 when her daughter Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high graduation trip to Aruba. This tragic story became the leading news mystery when it happened, and continues to make headlines today. Beth has appeared on every television network in the nation as well as on international TV and radio and in international newspapers, capturing the world’s attention as she searched for her daughter.

Barbara Walters selected Beth Holloway as one of the world’s most fascinating people for her perseverance in seeking answers to what happened to Natalee.

Beth has delivered her message of hope, faith and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the United States. To date, she has presented her message to tens of thousands of students and parents alike in high schools, colleges, churches, local and national conventions and other venues, and to law enforcement officials, Attorney Generals, Mayors’ Conferences, professional associations, prayer breakfasts and many others.

As a New York Times Best Selling author ("Loving Natalee" also a Lifetime Movie) and a veteran educator, Beth continues to work on educating the public on safer travel. To that end she offers her half-day Travel-Ed Workshop to all ages.

 ::snipping3::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/HeartsHope_zpsf51f33bd.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 07, 2013, 01:36:44 AM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2013/oktober/07/-van-der-sloot-wacht-psychologisch-onderzoek

Google translation

Van der Sloot waits psychological research '
posted:  07-10-2013 - 6:30
last changed :  07-10-2013 - 6:30

Joran van der Sloot must still undergo a psychological examination in prison before he can marry his girlfriend Leidy Figueroa . The Peruvian television program Domingo al Día reported Sunday that he can marry within ten days . Then , if all the paperwork is in order ,

Besides psychological research there are other formalities are not in order , says a spokesman for the Ancon district in Lima . Since the Piedras Gordas prison where Van der Sloot a prison sentence of 28 -year sentence for the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores teenager in May 2010 . Located

The lawyer for the families , Edward Alvarez , asks in the program ' whatever woman wants to marry a psychopath . " He thinks that the upcoming Van der Sloot at a wedding at risk. Alvarez argues that the Dutchman wants to get married , which should prevent a possible extradition to the U.S.. Peruvian nationality

Criminal experts consider the risk , however small that this really will be an obstacle for extradition . The U.S. wants Van der Sloot trial because they suspect him to have extorted . The mother of missing Natalee Holloway
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2013, 09:13:38 AM
Thank you for the update grace-land.  It would appear the serial killer psychopath Joran continues to survive.  He's got about 25 years of his 28 year sentence left for murdering Stephany.  If he lives long enough, we may still someday see him extradited to the U.S.  That seems to worry him.  Good.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Helen Back on October 07, 2013, 01:42:13 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::
Well, I just swung through to check on your guys, and saw the sad news about bill b's passing.  The quote stack is a lovely and appropriate tribute to the faithful stack-aholic :) and there's not much I can add except to say that he will be remembered with fondness, and it was an honor to post with him here.
 
Blessings and peace to bill b and his loved ones, including Natalee.

Other endeavors keep me "elsewhere" these days, but a piece of my heart stays here with all the faithful monkeys who love and remember.

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee, and Stephany, and all those who have not yet been found.

Good to see you all,
Helen Back


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 07, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
Helen Back  ::HelloKitty::

Good to see you, too!  We are still here for Natalee and to support her family!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 07, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
Thank you for the update grace-land.  It would appear the serial killer psychopath Joran continues to survive.  He's got about 25 years of his 28 year sentence left for murdering Stephany.  If he lives long enough, we may still someday see him extradited to the U.S.  That seems to worry him.  Good.  JMHO

You're welcome, MuffyBee!  He might be released in 6 years (serve 9 years of his sentence if he shows good behavior in prison).  You're right--it seems to be worrying him of the possibility of being extradited to the U.S.  I think that he is continuing his strategy of manipulating the Peruvian legal system even if he has to use a Peruvian woman in his "get married" tactic to avoid extradition.  Sad.  imo
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 07, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/07-10-2013/van-der-sloot-busca-eludir-a-justicia-de-eeuu-casandose-con-joven-peruana

Google translation

Van der Sloot seeks U.S. justice elude marrying young Peruvian
Monday, October 7, 2013 | 9:41 a.m.

The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years in prison for killing the Lima business student Stephany Flores Ramirez, seek to avoid an eventual expulsion to the U.S. by marrying a Peruvian woman whom he met in prison.

Lawyers consulted by The Republic explained that the wedding would allow the confessed murderer escape the process that U.S. federal court will reserve toll fraud and extortion, offenses punishable by up to life imprisonment in that country.

Bride of Van der Sloot , Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda ( 22 ) , has already dealt with the conduct of civil marriage in the Municipality of Ancon , consigning as the ceremony stage maximum security prison Piedras Gordas I.

This commune officials confirmed yesterday that the parties have complied with all the requirements required of common couples .

However they pointed out that being a convicted Dutch homicide, missing the National Penitentiary Institute ( INPE ) you submit to a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether or not it represents a danger to the bride .

The criminal Ricardo Eusebio de la Fuente did not rule out that Van der Sloot wedding constitutes a legal maneuver .

" When a foreigner marries a Peruvian automatically acquires the nationality of the spouse. If given wedding , authorities can not expel him from the country for being a fellow ," he said .

In the same vein , the lawyer said Victor Manuel Alarcon . "Marriage would grant rights even before a possible extradition order that would raise U.S. when serve his sentence in Peru ," he said.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on October 07, 2013, 06:05:13 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/07-10-2013/van-der-sloot-busca-eludir-a-justicia-de-eeuu-casandose-con-joven-peruana

Google translation

Van der Sloot seeks U.S. justice elude marrying young Peruvian
Monday, October 7, 2013 | 9:41 a.m.

The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years in prison for killing the Lima business student Stephany Flores Ramirez, seek to avoid an eventual expulsion to the U.S. by marrying a Peruvian woman whom he met in prison.

Lawyers consulted by The Republic explained that the wedding would allow the confessed murderer escape the process that U.S. federal court will reserve toll fraud and extortion, offenses punishable by up to life imprisonment in that country.

Bride of Van der Sloot , Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda ( 22 ) , has already dealt with the conduct of civil marriage in the Municipality of Ancon , consigning as the ceremony stage maximum security prison Piedras Gordas I.

This commune officials confirmed yesterday that the parties have complied with all the requirements required of common couples .

However they pointed out that being a convicted Dutch homicide, missing the National Penitentiary Institute ( INPE ) you submit to a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether or not it represents a danger to the bride .

The criminal Ricardo Eusebio de la Fuente did not rule out that Van der Sloot wedding constitutes a legal maneuver .

" When a foreigner marries a Peruvian automatically acquires the nationality of the spouse. If given wedding , authorities can not expel him from the country for being a fellow ," he said .

In the same vein , the lawyer said Victor Manuel Alarcon . "Marriage would grant rights even before a possible extradition order that would raise U.S. when serve his sentence in Peru ," he said.
 ::snipping3::


I can find Leydi plenty of places to stay in Birmingham when her husband goes there for the extortion trial.

Just sayin...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2013, 09:35:25 PM
::MonkeyBike::
Well, I just swung through to check on your guys, and saw the sad news about bill b's passing.  The quote stack is a lovely and appropriate tribute to the faithful stack-aholic :) and there's not much I can add except to say that he will be remembered with fondness, and it was an honor to post with him here.
 
Blessings and peace to bill b and his loved ones, including Natalee.

Other endeavors keep me "elsewhere" these days, but a piece of my heart stays here with all the faithful monkeys who love and remember.

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee, and Stephany, and all those who have not yet been found.

Good to see you all,
Helen Back

Great to see you, Helen Back!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Wedding bells or not, IMO if Joran lives long enough he's not going to be able to avoid extradition when the time comes.

Dream on "sporter".    ::MonkeyTongue::

Is there even a relationship with Leidy?  I kinda doubt it...I mean seriously!  I recall her denying it at least once!

More lies to keep Joran in the news, to torment his victim's families?  I have to wonder.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

What else can he do?  He's where he belongs and nobody cares.

Right before the anniversary date of both of his known crimes, the Dutch press said he would be married within two weeks.  Here we are almost five months later.  One delay after another.  Where did that two week timeline come from? 

Think of all the headlines there have been... 

And don't forget the pregnancies too! 

Anything to keep Joran in the news.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/05/25/good-grief-wedding-bells-for-joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-married-in-two-weeks-while-serving-for-murder-of-stephany-flores-at-piedras-gordas-prison-unlucky-bride-leidy-figueroa/

May 25, 2013

Quote
As reported at Ad.nl, Joran Van der Sloot is to be married within two weeks.

Quote
Altez says that the couple is working on getting some final paperwork processed so the marriage can take place. He adds that he expects the union to happen in the next two weeks.

Quote
Maximo Altez, van der Sloot’s lawyer, said the 25-year-old will marry girlfriend Leydi Figueroa Uceda sometime in June. The two met in 2011 when Figueroa was visiting another inmate at the prison where van der Sloot was being held before his trial, ABC News reported. In October, Altez denied reports that Figueroa was pregnant with van der Sloot’s child.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/07-10-2013/van-der-sloot-busca-eludir-a-justicia-de-eeuu-casandose-con-joven-peruana

Google translation

Van der Sloot seeks U.S. justice elude marrying young Peruvian
Monday, October 7, 2013 | 9:41 a.m.

The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years in prison for killing the Lima business student Stephany Flores Ramirez, seek to avoid an eventual expulsion to the U.S. by marrying a Peruvian woman whom he met in prison.

Lawyers consulted by The Republic explained that the wedding would allow the confessed murderer escape the process that U.S. federal court will reserve toll fraud and extortion, offenses punishable by up to life imprisonment in that country.

Bride of Van der Sloot , Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda ( 22 ) , has already dealt with the conduct of civil marriage in the Municipality of Ancon , consigning as the ceremony stage maximum security prison Piedras Gordas I.

This commune officials confirmed yesterday that the parties have complied with all the requirements required of common couples .

However they pointed out that being a convicted Dutch homicide, missing the National Penitentiary Institute ( INPE ) you submit to a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether or not it represents a danger to the bride .

The criminal Ricardo Eusebio de la Fuente did not rule out that Van der Sloot wedding constitutes a legal maneuver .

" When a foreigner marries a Peruvian automatically acquires the nationality of the spouse. If given wedding , authorities can not expel him from the country for being a fellow ," he said .

In the same vein , the lawyer said Victor Manuel Alarcon . "Marriage would grant rights even before a possible extradition order that would raise U.S. when serve his sentence in Peru ," he said.
 ::snipping3::


I can find Leydi plenty of places to stay in Birmingham when her husband goes there for the extortion trial.

Just sayin...

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2013, 10:15:28 PM
Just saw an advertisement on HLN. 

This Friday night "Nancy Grace Mysteries" will be about Natalee Holloway.

Guess that might not be the kind of publicity Joran wants. 

Too bad!   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2013, 10:53:27 AM
Just saw an advertisement on HLN. 

This Friday night "Nancy Grace Mysteries" will be about Natalee Holloway.

Guess that might not be the kind of publicity Joran wants. 

Too bad!   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee! 

 ::justice2nj2::   ::justice2nj2::  for Natalee!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on October 11, 2013, 09:43:10 PM
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3183/tennisshoecomparisonsv3.jpg)
Here is a comparison shot of the Tennis Shoes Joran was wearing and said to Greta the shoes he lost were exactly like the ones he was wearing. He also said in his statement that he lost his tennis shoes. The other pair of shoes was from his trip to Miami Florida. I put a copy of those tennis shoes in because Joran said in his statement the shoes he lost were the ones he bought in the U.S.




We know the K2s know that the shoes are important to the case because that's the first thing they used to threaten Joran with after he implicatedDeepak on the 10th that something bad happened


deepak 6-11
After that according to Joran the girl had fallen asleep on the beach. He said he had left her there. He did not say to me where this took place. At that point I got angry at Joran and asked him, why he left that girl on the beach. After that he said that he was walking home barefoot. I then said, what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot and I asked him where his sneakers/sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sneakers/sport shoes at the beach. I had told him that at that moment I didn't understand what he was talking about, but that if he got home he should call me.

SATISH 6-11
My brother told me that had asked Joran what he was doing at the time. Joran had told my brother that he was at that time walking home towards his house. My brother told me that he had asked Joran about the girl and that Joran had told him that he had left the girl at the beach. According to my brother Joran had told him that he had taken off his shoes and that he and the girl had gone into the water. Joran had then told my brother that after that he and the girl had gotten out of the water and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach. Joran told my brother that he had then tried to wake up the girl but that she had not awakened. Joran told my brother that he had looked to find his shoes but that he couldn't find them. Joran told my brother that he had left the girl on the beach and that he had walked home barefoot.

fixed broken picture bracket



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on October 11, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3183/tennisshoecomparisonsv3.jpg)
Here is a comparison shot of the Tennis Shoes Joran was wearing and said to Greta the shoes he lost were exactly like the ones he was wearing. He also said in his statement that he lost his tennis shoes. The other pair of shoes was from his trip to Miami Florida. I put a copy of those tennis shoes in because Joran said in his statement the shoes he lost were the ones he bought in the U.S.




We know the K2s know that the shoes are important to the case because that's the first thing they used to threaten Joran with after he implicatedDeepak on the 10th that something bad happened


deepak 6-11
After that according to Joran the girl had fallen asleep on the beach. He said he had left her there. He did not say to me where this took place. At that point I got angry at Joran and asked him, why he left that girl on the beach. After that he said that he was walking home barefoot. I then said, what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot and I asked him where his sneakers/sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sneakers/sport shoes at the beach. I had told him that at that moment I didn't understand what he was talking about, but that if he got home he should call me.

SATISH 6-11
My brother told me that had asked Joran what he was doing at the time. Joran had told my brother that he was at that time walking home towards his house. My brother told me that he had asked Joran about the girl and that Joran had told him that he had left the girl at the beach. According to my brother Joran had told him that he had taken off his shoes and that he and the girl had gone into the water. Joran had then told my brother that after that he and the girl had gotten out of the water and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach. Joran told my brother that he had then tried to wake up the girl but that she had not awakened. Joran told my brother that he had looked to find his shoes but that he couldn't find them. Joran told my brother that he had left the girl on the beach and that he had walked home barefoot.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 13, 2013, 11:43:06 AM


Two questions:

1. Would someone kindly repost the rover pics of the bagged cage evidence?  I'd like to grab them and repost them in the timeline (with attribution), as those links are currently broken and the pics missing. 

I don't remember seeing the shoe/s in the bags...


2. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3350229996_ed81dccb67.jpg?v=0)

Remember when those CAPS followers kept trying to tell us that the cage wasn't big enough to hold a body?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Peace, peace.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 13, 2013, 12:56:50 PM
Some images here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/)

Getting ready to re-upload several I have on my external drive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 13, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
Images of the cage/trap I had.  May have more I haven't found yet  ::MonkeyCool::  These are not in any particular order.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CageSkull_zpsffe1e694.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cagecomp_zps67eb803b.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trap1_zpsca2631de.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cage_zps2d9cb17e.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TrapCloseup2_zps9932c5c6.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trapbag_zps02eec5a5.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cageclose_zps038a6499.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trapkerm1_zps1c93f6e3.jpg)

This was Kyle's comparison

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trapdiag_zps67bb24c7.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trapkerm2_zps424ccb3b.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TrapNew_zps7739bb81.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trap4_zpsb68ea05f.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trap2a_zps2b514e41.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/trap2_zpscf586eb9.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 13, 2013, 03:55:57 PM

Thanks, Klaas!


 ::justice2nj2::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on October 14, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
(http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/1Trap.jpg)


(http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9862/tennisshoefromcagexc0.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 15, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 

I am so sorry for your loss.  I know his heart was with Natalee and family.  Again, so sorry. ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 15, 2013, 04:20:55 PM
It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!   

Well said TM

I am in tears.  To this day, still no Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 16, 2013, 01:34:37 AM
Ditto


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 16, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
 ::MonkeyHeart::

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20131016/NEWS01/131016012/Beth-Holloway-Never-give-up-hope-

Beth Holloway: 'Never give up hope'
Oct. 16, 2013 1:46 PM

Even when Beth Holloway realized her daughter Natalee was dead, she didn't give up hope.

Beth's search for answers about Natalee's disappearance during a school trip to Aruba in 2005 captivated the world. This afternoon, Beth spoke about that journey and her new mission at Gingerbread House's yearly fundraising luncheon.

"There are phases of hope that are there for all of us to seize," Holloway said.

Her first phase of hope lasted four days, until she realized that Natalee never returned to her hotel the night before the school group's departure from Aruba.

While praying beside a deserted road on the island, Beth Holloway understood that her daughter "was with God."

At that moment, she said, she entered the second phase of hope. She was determined to find out exactly what happened to Natalee and seek justice.

Beth Holloway got answers when suspect Joran van der Sloot said during an undercover video that he had a friend drop Natalee Holloway in the ocean after she had a seizure. She believes her daughter suffered an overdose from a date-rape drug.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 16, 2013, 04:34:31 PM
http://www.katc.com/news/beth-holloway-to-speak-at-hearts-of-hope-benefit/

Beth Holloway to speak at Hearts of Hope benefit
Posted: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM
Updated: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM

Beth Holloway, known for her heroic efforts to find her missing daughter, Natalee, in Aruba in 2005, will be speaking at East Bayou Baptist Church at 6 p.m. on Oct. 17.

Holloway's public struggle to search and cope with her daughter's abduction during her high school graduation trip has touched many hearts. Since the tragic event, she has delivered an uplifting message of hope, faith, and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the U.S.

Tickets are $25 and can be purchased at http://theheartsofhope.org/bethholloway . Seating is limited.

For more information, call 337-269-1557.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2013, 05:07:14 PM
http://www.katc.com/news/beth-holloway-to-speak-at-hearts-of-hope-benefit/

Beth Holloway to speak at Hearts of Hope benefit
Posted: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM
Updated: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM

Beth Holloway, known for her heroic efforts to find her missing daughter, Natalee, in Aruba in 2005, will be speaking at East Bayou Baptist Church at 6 p.m. on Oct. 17.

Holloway's public struggle to search and cope with her daughter's abduction during her high school graduation trip has touched many hearts. Since the tragic event, she has delivered an uplifting message of hope, faith, and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the U.S.

Tickets are $25 and can be purchased at http://theheartsofhope.org/bethholloway . Seating is limited.

For more information, call 337-269-1557.
 ::snipping3::



Red posted on the SM front page as well!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/10/16/dont-miss-natalee-holloways-mom-october-17-2013-at-600-pm-at-east-bayou-in-lafayette-louisiana-for-an-evening-with-beth-holloway/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/10/16/dont-miss-natalee-holloways-mom-october-17-2013-at-600-pm-at-east-bayou-in-lafayette-louisiana-for-an-evening-with-beth-holloway/)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2013, 10:38:12 PM
http://www.katc.com/news/beth-holloway-to-speak-at-hearts-of-hope-benefit/

Beth Holloway to speak at Hearts of Hope benefit
Posted: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM
Updated: Oct 11, 2013 10:47 AM

Beth Holloway, known for her heroic efforts to find her missing daughter, Natalee, in Aruba in 2005, will be speaking at East Bayou Baptist Church at 6 p.m. on Oct. 17.

Holloway's public struggle to search and cope with her daughter's abduction during her high school graduation trip has touched many hearts. Since the tragic event, she has delivered an uplifting message of hope, faith, and personal safety to young adults and people of all ages all across the U.S.

Tickets are $25 and can be purchased at http://theheartsofhope.org/bethholloway . Seating is limited.

For more information, call 337-269-1557.
 ::snipping3::



Red posted on the SM front page as well!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/10/16/dont-miss-natalee-holloways-mom-october-17-2013-at-600-pm-at-east-bayou-in-lafayette-louisiana-for-an-evening-with-beth-holloway/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/10/16/dont-miss-natalee-holloways-mom-october-17-2013-at-600-pm-at-east-bayou-in-lafayette-louisiana-for-an-evening-with-beth-holloway/)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 17, 2013, 12:10:42 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/5601/TV-Radio/article/detail/3528644/2013/10/17/Holloway-verdachte-vluchtte-na-misser-politie.dhtml

Google translation

" Holloway suspect fled after police miss '
 17-10-13 - 10:48 source : Novum ; NBC

By a blunder of the Aruban police could a man who may had with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , flights to South America . This reports the TV program Focal Reporter in broadcasting Thursday.

It's about a man who tried another American tourist , Tracey Allan , on an Aruban beach to drag to his car . During the week before the disappearance of Natalee The man who was wearing only a long shirt , minutes trying to pull it and threatened to beat her when she resisted . A stone against her head This is clear from the story that Allan then did a show at the American NBC .

The young woman was convinced he was going to rape her, but she managed to escape . Tracy was in the same hotel where Holloway was staying at the time and the attack happened nine days before her disappearance on the same beach that Joran van der Sloot said in one of his statements . The Dutchman claimed Holloway as having left . Sleeping

declaration
Allan did immediately return after the attack . They announced in the NBC show that its declaration and tips never been treated seriously. Only a few months after the disappearance of Holloway was asked to work on a composite sketch .

Tonight in the program it becomes clear that this man is arrested by police in Aruba after Allan identified him , months after the attack in 2005 . "A few weeks later called me an Aruban police that they had him arrested , but he was set free again and that he had fled to Colombia ," says Allan .

The Public Prosecution on Aruba confirmed the story . The man was initially arrested for an invalid permit . He was not recognized by the Aruban authorities . Peter Blanken , prosecutor in Aruba, let the program know yet the possibility of an international arrest warrant to want to see .

police File
The program was able to explain to the police file by hand and plunged further into the matter . Worked crime journalist Wim van de Pol and journalist Vincent Verweij join the program . The latter had stated that the media hype surrounding Van der Sloot sight of the true events of the fateful night has veiled . The police investigation was therefore not performed properly.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 17, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/5601/TV-Radio/article/detail/3528644/2013/10/17/Holloway-verdachte-vluchtte-na-misser-politie.dhtml

Google translation

" Holloway suspect fled after police miss '
 17-10-13 - 10:48 source : Novum ; NBC

By a blunder of the Aruban police could a man who may had with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , flights to South America . This reports the TV program Focal Reporter in broadcasting Thursday.

It's about a man who tried another American tourist , Tracey Allan , on an Aruban beach to drag to his car . During the week before the disappearance of Natalee The man who was wearing only a long shirt , minutes trying to pull it and threatened to beat her when she resisted . A stone against her head This is clear from the story that Allan then did a show at the American NBC .

The young woman was convinced he was going to rape her, but she managed to escape . Tracy was in the same hotel where Holloway was staying at the time and the attack happened nine days before her disappearance on the same beach that Joran van der Sloot said in one of his statements . The Dutchman claimed Holloway as having left . Sleeping

declaration
Allan did immediately return after the attack . They announced in the NBC show that its declaration and tips never been treated seriously. Only a few months after the disappearance of Holloway was asked to work on a composite sketch .

Tonight in the program it becomes clear that this man is arrested by police in Aruba after Allan identified him , months after the attack in 2005 . "A few weeks later called me an Aruban police that they had him arrested , but he was set free again and that he had fled to Colombia ," says Allan .

The Public Prosecution on Aruba confirmed the story . The man was initially arrested for an invalid permit . He was not recognized by the Aruban authorities . Peter Blanken , prosecutor in Aruba, let the program know yet the possibility of an international arrest warrant to want to see .

police File
The program was able to explain to the police file by hand and plunged further into the matter . Worked crime journalist Wim van de Pol and journalist Vincent Verweij join the program . The latter had stated that the media hype surrounding Van der Sloot sight of the true events of the fateful night has veiled . The police investigation was therefore not performed properly.
 ::snipping3::



I was afraid this was the program trying to show that poor Joran was the victim of media hype.

I have no doubts that the Aruban LE let the Colombian/Aruban attacker of Tracy Allen off the hook.

That matter does not explain Joran's behavior or actions.

I wonder what EuroRobert thought of the program.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 17, 2013, 04:41:42 PM
At the link, Video and the 14-page "Police files used in the review of the Natalee Holloway case. Statements by Karen and Freddy (friends of Joran) and intercepted chat conversations. In Dutch"

Edited in maroon, *  , by me.

http://www.crimesite.nl/nieuws/criminelen/27302-joran-filmde-sexfeest-in-hotel

Google translation

Joran sexfeest filmed in hotel News - People
Published Thursday, October 17, 2013 15:47

The main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case , Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe , some months before her disappearance participated in a sex fest with tourists in a hotel . In addition, Van der Sloot was filming an underage girl. The issue is addressed in tonight 's Focal - KRO Reporter and in the book 'Dossier Holloway ' that appears next week .

The investigation also found chat messages showing that Joran van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe re photo and film wanted to make a woman . Few weeks after

Mill Hotel
Joran hired along with a group of friends during the Easter holidays of 2005 for three days a room at the Mill Hotel in Aruba. At one point there were two American tourists were and a Colombian girl brought to the room , with whom contact was made in Carlos' n Charlies , the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance .

Freddy , a friend of Joran was present and stated to the police : " It was on a Saturday that Joran , Deepak and I went to The Mill Hotel along with three girls I have sex with an American girl sitting Deepak went into the bathroom . . went AMERICAN sex with a girl on the balcony . with the Colombian girl. Joran Joran told me later that the girl had sucked him. " on the balcony

Another witness says: " Joran had said that when he was in me this year " The Mili Hotel " was staying , he had filmed when the girl under the influence of alcoholic beverages wrong a fourteen year old girl in the hotel room . "

chats
Research by the Dutch Forensic Institute at the computer Joran van der Sloot , has proved again that he was planning to make a sex act . Filming a few weeks later Satish Kalpoe asks Joran van der Sloot that he is going to do that day. Joran : " A little f*cken with my chick on the beach ." Satish : " This time we're filming it ."
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: EURobert on October 17, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
...
I wonder what EuroRobert thought of the program.

Well now... That is a good question!

There were some new 'facts' - at least for me. But it wasn't earth shaking in my opinion.
But I made some notes. So you can judge for yourselves.


The program was divided into three sections or 'scenarios'.

Scenario 1 - The Pimps

Three fishermen say that it is impossible that Joran and Natalee were at the beach at the time Joran said they were there. The would have been seen by the fishermen.
Another witness says he saw the Kalpoe car at 2.30hrs somewhere else on the island.
Possibly Joran and others took Natalee to Jorans house to have sex. That was their habbit or even ‘modus operandi’ (possibly they sometimes even drugged girls). In march earlier that year for instance they rented a hotelroom in ‘The Mill’ to have sex with two American and one Colombian girl. A girl named Karen says that they took pictures of those gatherings and videos.
At least one chat conversation on Jorans computer between Joran and one of the Kalpoes confirmes that. But those videos and images were not found in the police investigation. Possibly they were erased. Police and FBI thought that videos of those sex events were possibly sold to a man named Paul B. aka the Mister Pink of Pink Productions. He had relations with the people behind the website Reality Kings. It was this website of which Joran downloaded two porn movies at the night of the disappearance of Natalee.

Scenario 2 - DJ Diablo

DJ Diablo (Steve ?) had a party boat ‘The Tattoo’. He told Natalee was dropped of at a hotel lobby but survailance camera videos showed he lied about that. He says later that night he was at his boat. Did he help Joran dump Natalee’s body in the ocean. He had told more lies about where he was and what he did. He had told he was in another bar and didn’t know if he had been in the Carlos and Charlies but it was proven he was there that evening.

Scenario 3 - The rapist

Tracey Allen from Denver Colorado had been attacked nine days before Natalee disappeared. That had happened at the Fisherman’s Huts. It looked like that guy had been waiting for a woman to be there at her own. It looked like a modus operandi. He had been waiting there for some time. For about four minutes the halfly undressed guy tried to pull Tracey in his car. But she screamed and fought back.
Later she could identify the guy with the help of the FBI and was 100 % sure that was the guy. The guy had been arrested and put in jail on Aruba but for some unclear reason was let go whereafter he fled, probably to Colombia or Venezuela.

The general conclusion or perspective of the program was that the police investigations were done very bad. For instance the fact that the door of Natalees hotel room was opened three times with Natalee’s key card was not thouroughly investigated. But this was crucial information. Was it Natalee herself who had regained her consiounce and come back from the beach, was or were it the people who left Natalee on the beach or somewhere else of even killed her? Or did Natalee’s roommates had legitametely - or not - used her card. Natalee’s roommates were not asked if they had Natalee’s key card.
Another thing that was a total fail was that survaillance camera’s on the island were only investigated three weeks after the disappearence of Natalee. But most video recordings were standardly erased after two weeks. So it couldn’t been seen where the car of the Kalpoes had driven and so on.

The reporters have written a book on their findings as well.

It's 22.45 in the evening here. But daytime for you so: have a good day!

Goodbye!!!

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2013, 05:56:40 PM
Bailey Ann, Alyse and Loco Stef?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=663.0



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 17, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/entertainment/brandpunt-onthult-nieuwe-details-holloway

Google translation

2 hour 2 minutes ago
Focal reveals new details Holloway

Focal Reporter Thursday has a broadcast dedicated to the police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway . The program says that everyone assumes that Joran van der Sloot is responsible for her disappearance , but that , according Focal well be different. Again

The team of the police file Focal has been owned and there they find important ' answers ' . Peter R. de Vries , who has also worked on the study , intensive told earlier in the evening on RTL Boulevard that it is an interesting broadcast. Yet he does not believe at all in the findings of the journalists . "They say there's a 40 percent chance exists that Joran did not do it , but for me it is clear that he has done it ," said the well-known crime reporter.
 ::snipping3::
" They do have the finger on some sore spots in the police report . They come with three scenarios where it is never good uitgerechercheerd by the police ," De Vries . Peter R. says he only parts of the police report has been facing . " We have our own research and many sources and individual voice . " De Vries encourages people to do to view the broadcast. " It is an interesting documentary that everyone should go see and be the judge . "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 17, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
...
I wonder what EuroRobert thought of the program.

Well now... That is a good question!

There were some new 'facts' - at least for me. But it wasn't earth shaking in my opinion.
But I made some notes. So you can judge for yourselves.


The program was divided into three sections or 'scenarios'.

Scenario 1 - The Pimps

Three fishermen say that it is impossible that Joran and Natalee were at the beach at the time Joran said they were there. The would have been seen by the fishermen.
Another witness says he saw the Kalpoe car at 2.30hrs somewhere else on the island.
Possibly Joran and others took Natalee to Jorans house to have sex. That was their habbit or even ‘modus operandi’ (possibly they sometimes even drugged girls). In march earlier that year for instance they rented a hotelroom in ‘The Mill’ to have sex with two American and one Colombian girl. A girl named Karen says that they took pictures of those gatherings and videos.
At least one chat conversation on Jorans computer between Joran and one of the Kalpoes confirmes that. But those videos and images were not found in the police investigation. Possibly they were erased. Police and FBI thought that videos of those sex events were possibly sold to a man named Paul B. aka the Mister Pink of Pink Productions. He had relations with the people behind the website Reality Kings. It was this website of which Joran downloaded two porn movies at the night of the disappearance of Natalee.

Scenario 2 - DJ Diablo

DJ Diablo (Steve ?) had a party boat ‘The Tattoo’. He told Natalee was dropped of at a hotel lobby but survailance camera videos showed he lied about that. He says later that night he was at his boat. Did he help Joran dump Natalee’s body in the ocean. He had told more lies about where he was and what he did. He had told he was in another bar and didn’t know if he had been in the Carlos and Charlies but it was proven he was there that evening.

Scenario 3 - The rapist

Tracey Allen from Denver Colorado had been attacked nine days before Natalee disappeared. That had happened at the Fisherman’s Huts. It looked like that guy had been waiting for a woman to be there at her own. It looked like a modus operandi. He had been waiting there for some time. For about four minutes the halfly undressed guy tried to pull Tracey in his car. But she screamed and fought back.
Later she could identify the guy with the help of the FBI and was 100 % sure that was the guy. The guy had been arrested and put in jail on Aruba but for some unclear reason was let go whereafter he fled, probably to Colombia or Venezuela.

The general conclusion or perspective of the program was that the police investigations were done very bad. For instance the fact that the door of Natalees hotel room was opened three times with Natalee’s key card was not thouroughly investigated. But this was crucial information. Was it Natalee herself who had regained her consiounce and come back from the beach, was or were it the people who left Natalee on the beach or somewhere else of even killed her? Or did Natalee’s roommates had legitametely - or not - used her card. Natalee’s roommates were not asked if they had Natalee’s key card.
Another thing that was a total fail was that survaillance camera’s on the island were only investigated three weeks after the disappearence of Natalee. But most video recordings were standardly erased after two weeks. So it couldn’t been seen where the car of the Kalpoes had driven and so on.

The reporters have written a book on their findings as well.

It's 22.45 in the evening here. But daytime for you so: have a good day!

Goodbye!!!

 ::boxjoran::

Thanks EuroRobert!

Nothing new.  The keycard printout was obtained and verified by the family and all entries were accounted for by Natalee's roommates.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 17, 2013, 07:19:21 PM
Bailey Ann, Alyse and Loco Stef?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=663.0



Yes...and I think that film was the one Freddie and Kalpoes ended up returning to jail..."briefly".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 19, 2013, 11:18:50 AM
Joran made movies of minors for sex party store
  By: editors
18-10-13 - 12:37 source: Focal KRO Reporter
"A little fu**en with my chick. This time we're filming the '
.
TELEVISION In March 2005, two months before Natalee Holloway disappearance, Joran van der Sloot hired with 5 friends a hotel room. They wanted girls decorate when going out and thus to increase them to have sex with them. The boys succeeded in there and Joran acts with a 14-year-old girl on movie set.
Police File
Open PDF (3.5 MB)

This information came forward yesterday during the broadcast of the program 's Focal-KRO Reporter . The authors were able to obtain the police file by hand and it is also Joran behavior scrutinized in time for the disappearance of Natalee.

Three girls
He and Deepak Kalpoe, two main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case, had in March, along with other friends, attended a sex party with tourists in the Mill hotel in Aruba. They took two American girls and a Colombian girl to the room, with whom contact was made in Carlos' n Charlies, the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance.

"It was on a Saturday that Joran, Deepak and I went to The Mill Hotel along with three girls. I have an American girl sitting sex. Deepak went into the bathroom with the Colombian girl. Joran went with an American girl sex on the balcony. Joran told me later that the girl had sucked him, "on the balcony as friend Freddy then stated to the police.

Recordings
A girl named Karen, who also sex, in their own words involuntarily, had with the then 17-year-old Van der Sloot is also questioned by the police. She said among other things that the Dutchman told her that he had made at the sex party. Recordings

"Joran had told me that when he was staying at the Mill Hotel, he had filmed the girl under the influence of alcohol. A fourteen year old girl in hotel room It was recorded on a videotape. "

Files Chat
Also, the chat sessions between Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe discussed in the file. In one of the conversations Kalpoe Joran asks what he's going to do that day. Joran: "A little fu**en with my chick on the beach." Satish: "This time we're filming it.

A cold case team investigating the state of affairs, drew the following conclusion: "The chats seized, found on the computer of Joran van der Sloot, but actually know a few topics: fu**en or f***, alcohol, and chicks renting hotel rooms, apparently for there to have sex with girls and photographing or filming them. "

Suspect fled
During the broadcast also showed that by a blunder of the Aruban police a man, who may have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, could flee to South America.


http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/5601/TV-Radio/article/detail/3529309/2013/10/18/Joran-maakte-filmpjes-van-minderjarigen-op-seksfeest.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
I think I edited all the "f" words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_kQrllIyk

crimesite

Published on Oct 17 , 2013

The main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case , Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe , some months before her disappearance participated in a sex fest with American tourists were in a hotel in Aruba. In addition , Van der Sloot as a witness filming of an underage girl . This is contained in the confidential police file on the case , which KRO's Focal - Reporter got hands . The investigation also found chat messages showing that Joran van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe re photo and film wanted to make a woman . Few weeks after

Joran hired along with a group of friends during the Easter holidays of 2005 for three days a room at the Mill Hotel in Aruba. At one point there were two American tourists were and a Colombian girl brought to the room , with whom contact was made in Carlos' n Charlies , the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance .

Freddy , a friend of Joran was present and stated to the police : " It was on a Saturday that Joran , Deepak and I went to The Mill Hotel along with three girls I have sex with an American girl sitting Deepak went into the bathroom . . went AMERICAN sex with a girl on the balcony . with the Colombian girl. Joran Joran told me later that the girl had sucked him. " on the balcony Another witness says: " Joran had said that when he was in me this year " The Mili Hotel " was staying , he had filmed when the girl under the influence of alcoholic beverages wrong a fourteen year old girl in the hotel room . "

Research by the Dutch Forensic Institute at the computer Joran van der Sloot , has proved again that he was planning to make a sex act . Filming a few weeks later Satish Kalpoe asks Joran van der Sloot that he is going to do that day. Joran : " A little f***en with my chick on the beach ." Satish : " This time we're filming it ."

A cold case team re- investigated in the case, pulled in an official report concluded: " The seized chats , found on the computer of Joran van der Sloot , know actually but a few topics f***en or f*** , alcohol , chicks and renting hotel rooms , apparently for there to have sex with girls and photographing or filming them . "

Following the Cold Case investigation, Joran vd Sloot arrested again in 2007 , but in Aruba released for lack of evidence by a judge again .

The reports on the issue can be read on the website of Focal - KRO Reporter : reporter.incontxt.nl

http://www.youtube.com/v/Er_kQrllIyk


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2013, 01:23:13 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Really Julia...ya think they might have been planning to do the same with Natalee?

Well of course you do, you've always known.

I've got one word for you Julia, KARMA. 

JMO





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2013, 01:31:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOBEe4z89k

Published on Oct 16 , 2013

Google translation

A man who may had with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , a miss by the police and immigration authorities in Aruba , fled to South America . According to research by Crime Site journalists Wim van de Pol and Vincent Verweij . Tonight is featured in the program Focal KRO Reporter ( Thursday, October 17 , 21:10 am, Netherlands 2 ) a documentary. File Holloway : . On the case next week book also appears

The man tried the American tourist Tracey Allan , to rape on the beach at the Fishermen 's Huts . That was nine days before the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , in the exact same spot where Joran van der Sloot said to have left her.

The man was arrested in 2006 because of an expired visa , but not recognized a composite shot , which the rapist was made ​​. Moments later he was released . When the police still wanted to arrest him, then he proved to have fled. Tracey Allan was in May 2005 on holiday in Aruba . During a walk at sunrise , she was attacked by a nearly naked man , at the height of the Fishermen 's Huts , a quiet stretch of beach . The man tried to drag her into his car and threatened her . Tracey resisted and managed to escape , and they reported it to the police on Aruba . After the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , she was approached by the FBI to the man who was shown include Requested in a broadcast of Investigation , which was entirely devoted to the Holloway case . A composite sketch

A few months later, Tracey Allan invited to a photo - confrontation with the FBI . In Focus Reporter she says : "I have the man who attacked me when 100 % identified few weeks then called an Aruban police me they had him arrested , but he was set free again and that he had fled to Colombia I was . . devastated. "

The Public Prosecutor in Aruba , confirms the state of affairs . According to Peter Blanken , Chief Justice of Aruba , the man initially arrested for a valid residence permit . It was the wanted rapist , but he was not recognized by the Aruban authorities . The man was released. After Tracey Allan had identified him , still wanted to arrest him . Whites : "When we wanted to arrest him as a suspect , he found the island to be gone He went to Colombia or Venezuela The information from the Immigration Service has not arrived at the police . . ." Even after his disappearance , no attempts have been made to find the man. Chief says Whites still the possibility of an international arrest warrant to want to see .

Joran van der Sloot initially made ​​several statements about the night Natalee Holloway disappeared . In his last statement to the police , he says that he has left dormant state at the Fisherman 's Huts Natalee overnight and then was picked up by a friend . This is evident from the police file which KRO Reporter Focal features .

Focal Reporter : Thursday, October 17 , 21:10 am, Netherlands 2
File Holloway : http://www.bol.com/nl/p/dossier-hollo ...

http://www.youtube.com/v/9HOBEe4z89k


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2013, 01:31:33 AM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

Thank you!

   ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2013, 05:10:06 AM

billb passed away peacefully 30 Sept 2013.....his heart was always with Natalee, Beth, and Dave..........
Loved you Monkeys....
His daughter.....
 



Prayers to your family from the monkey family.

Cadillac

I'm so sorry.   
 ::MonkeyTears::  Rest in peace billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::



I'm so sorry to hear this.  He always fought for Natalee.  Prayers for you family.  May he rest in peace.



My heart goes out to you and your family and all who loved billb.  Thanks so much for letting us know.  Prayers for all of you.  Natalee has another angel leading us towards the truth, so we can bring her home to her loving family.

    ::MonkeyAngel::



Wow -- I'm so saddened to hear of this! There are not a lot of guys here - "Keep The Faith" and I in particular will really miss him. My sincerest condolences to your family.

I'm so sorry.  Sending my deepest sympathy to you and your family.  May God grant billb eternal peace and everlasting joy.
He was always here--working for justice for Natalee and her family.
He will be missed.  :smt054
Rest in Peace, dear billb.  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyTears::



billb's daughter,

I am so shocked to learn of this sad, sad news.

billb will be greatly missed, but never forgotten. He waa a great part of this Monkey family..

Please let your family know how much he is missed and how much our hearts go out to you and
your family at this sorrowful time. Words are never enough but I hope your heart will heal
knowing how much billb was loved and respected by me and all of us here at SM.

 ::MonkeyHeart:: 




 

So very sorry to hear this news.  My condolences to you and your family.



So sad...my sincere condolences to you and your family.  Thank you for letting us know. 

Rest in peace, billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::


I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Dear billb's daughters:

My love to your family and to all of billb's loved ones.  I shall remember him fondly and speak well of him always.  May you have comfort and peace.

- Lifesong



This is sad news to me in many ways.  I remember when billb first joined the forum I thought he was robots come back, their posting styles seemed so similar to me.

In the end, I know I didn't always agree with billb, but I loved that he was here.  And he often made me chuckle.


Here's a fun link to a stackaholic Post from the Past in his honor:

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba??? (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg677514#msg677514)


"We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee" - billb




Klaas & The Amazing Mods:  Please forgive, as a fellow stack-aholic, I couldn't resist.


Godspeed, billb.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Stack 'em if you got 'em.  Thanks for this post Lifesong!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2013, 07:52:31 AM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks TM!  I was going to start a new post for the Bucuti Cam Archives but I'll quote instead  ::MonkeyCool::  Looking empty at Bucuti Beach going back quite a while!

http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?page=0&sort=&perPage=&album=

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/272.zoom1.jpg)

Home Rental Robbery

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97899

Rudeness at Costa Linda Breach Resort Store

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97853

Worst meal in Aruba - I see Buccaneer got mentioned a few times

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97836


They paint the tourists and visitors with a different brush, literally.  You are given your letter upon arrival, (while not scarlet, a letter all the same).  Your rental car is stamped with a 'V' as a courtesy, to the bad guys, just so the criminals know who to follow.  When someone is upset about rental properties being targeted so much, instead of offering a plausible solution or some sympathy, there is always someone who says to 'look on the bright side' or 'it could be worse.'  I recognize this tone, it means, "Don't burden me with your problems."  I heard the same words when certain people saw my son as a younger child.  It also means, "We want to close our eyes to your problem because it doesn't affect us.  Oh, and please don't ask for any help."  One thing that bothers me is when someone tells someone else how long to be upset about something.  Someone is upset, don't take it upon yourself to start your stop watch and tell them how long it should take to grieve what they lost.  Yes, I said, grieve.  You are grieving the death of One Happy Island, a place where you once felt safe, and its rebirth into One Unsafe Island.  It takes time to mourn losses, the time of the person affected, not the time of the bystander.      

"Hey Joe, how did you like your trip to Aruba?"  
"Well, George, it could have been worse, can't wait to go again next year."  
"Joe, why would you want to go back with that attitude?"  
"George, I am looking on the bright side!  They stole my laptop, my iPhone, 2 notebook computers, an iPod, and 5 cell phones.  Next year, thanks to those forward-thinking thieves, I won't have to bring all those things with me, so my back will be in much better shape.  Think of all the stuff I won't have to lug with me anymore.  In addition, due to the bad economy, I cannot afford to buy others to replace them.  I won't have any electronics, so they can no longer be stolen.  Great thinking, huh, George?  Love Aruba!"  
"Joe, stay out of that Aruban sun."
****************************

A woman walks into a shop to buy a bathing suit.  This woman's shape was apparently not to the liking of the salesperson waiting on her.  In addition, this kind and lovely woman, as reported by those who know her, is in her third year of Stage 4 cancer, hence the figure transformation.  This salesperson, reduces this woman to tears and she left the shop in despair.  Instead of getting the courtesy and attention she deserved, she gets torn to shreds by the salesperson.  Now, any one of these things taken separately should demand respect.  She was a customer who came to your store, she is kind, she has been living a nightmare for who knows how many years.

The owner gets wind of it.  Some other shop owners and he treat her and a friend to dinner, gave her roses with a white one in the center (this signals how she is so special she stands out--she shouldn't stand out, all customers should be treated with courtesy).  They made her stand out by demoralizing her.  She was trying to fit in.  They are going to meet with the salesperson to train that person to be kinder.  (Some things cannot be taught, anyone who would do that to another human being has coal where his heart should be.)  If you want to keep that employee, keep them away from the customers and other employees, doing stock work or paperwork.  Must be a relative.  These people don't work in a vacuum, though, and would need to come in contact with others at times.  They need extensive training as this behavior is ingrained.  I don't care how bad your day was, you don't treat people like that, period.  I cannot imagine much worse.  Oh wait...  

Hello, Beth and Dave your daughter is temporarily missing, go have a drink and she will magically reappear.  The drinks are spiked with magic juice, they make people disappear and then reappear.  We have done this many times before.  She is safe.

Hello Beth, your daughter fell in love with a blond guy down on the beach.  He is a bushy haired stranger with a dingo.  Don't worry, dingoes only eat babies, they have no taste for females on this island once they hit toddler size.  It happens all the time.  She is safe.

Hello, Beth, your daughter was borrowed by a security guard at her motel.  Don't worry, she is in good hands.  He's a security guard for heaven sakes, she is secure.  Does not happen very often.  We don't know if she is safe.  We will arrest him and pin the crime on him.

Hello, Beth, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

Hello, Beth, this is Peru.  We got him!  Unfortunately, he removed the jewel from another loving family's crown first.  We feel your pain.
************************
As far as getting bad food in Aruba, you are lucky if it is just bad food and does not contain body fluids.  Hopefully there is an antidote for whatever disease arises from it.  Ask Beth about the food in Aruba.

***********************
I would suggest the people on that website buy Beth's book and attend a lecture or two about travel safety with her, then go to Natalee's center and grab as much information as they can on safe traveling.  It would make them less likely to be a victim.  They should study hard if they wish to return to the Island of No Return.  Please, be a life saver, leave your daughters home.  

You can enter any time you like...



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2013, 11:58:33 AM
I made a thread for billb in our Memorial area of the forum.  I copied the condolence messages that had been posted here, and posted them over there too.  I thought afterwards...I should have posted them in one huge quote stack....billb would have loved that!  Made me smile too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14746.0

(Bolded by me)

Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyHeart::  And yes, I agree billb would have loved one humongous quote stack!   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks TM!  I was going to start a new post for the Bucuti Cam Archives but I'll quote instead  ::MonkeyCool::  Looking empty at Bucuti Beach going back quite a while!

http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?page=0&sort=&perPage=&album=

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/272.zoom1.jpg)

Home Rental Robbery

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97899

Rudeness at Costa Linda Breach Resort Store

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97853

Worst meal in Aruba - I see Buccaneer got mentioned a few times

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97836


They paint the tourists and visitors with a different brush, literally.  You are given your letter upon arrival, (while not scarlet, a letter all the same).  Your rental car is stamped with a 'V' as a courtesy, to the bad guys, just so the criminals know who to follow.  When someone is upset about rental properties being targeted so much, instead of offering a plausible solution or some sympathy, there is always someone who says to 'look on the bright side' or 'it could be worse.'  I recognize this tone, it means, "Don't burden me with your problems."  I heard the same words when certain people saw my son as a younger child.  It also means, "We want to close our eyes to your problem because it doesn't affect us.  Oh, and please don't ask for any help."  One thing that bothers me is when someone tells someone else how long to be upset about something.  Someone is upset, don't take it upon yourself to start your stop watch and tell them how long it should take to grieve what they lost.  Yes, I said, grieve.  You are grieving the death of One Happy Island, a place where you once felt safe, and its rebirth into One Unsafe Island.  It takes time to mourn losses, the time of the person affected, not the time of the bystander.      

"Hey Joe, how did you like your trip to Aruba?"  
"Well, George, it could have been worse, can't wait to go again next year."  
"Joe, why would you want to go back with that attitude?"  
"George, I am looking on the bright side!  They stole my laptop, my iPhone, 2 notebook computers, an iPod, and 5 cell phones.  Next year, thanks to those forward-thinking thieves, I won't have to bring all those things with me, so my back will be in much better shape.  Think of all the stuff I won't have to lug with me anymore.  In addition, due to the bad economy, I cannot afford to buy others to replace them.  I won't have any electronics, so they can no longer be stolen.  Great thinking, huh, George?  Love Aruba!"  
"Joe, stay out of that Aruban sun."
****************************

A woman walks into a shop to buy a bathing suit.  This woman's shape was apparently not to the liking of the salesperson waiting on her.  In addition, this kind and lovely woman, as reported by those who know her, is in her third year of Stage 4 cancer, hence the figure transformation.  This salesperson, reduces this woman to tears and she left the shop in despair.  Instead of getting the courtesy and attention she deserved, she gets torn to shreds by the salesperson.  Now, any one of these things taken separately should demand respect.  She was a customer who came to your store, she is kind, she has been living a nightmare for who knows how many years.

The owner gets wind of it.  Some other shop owners and he treat her and a friend to dinner, gave her roses with a white one in the center (this signals how she is so special she stands out--she shouldn't stand out, all customers should be treated with courtesy).  They made her stand out by demoralizing her.  She was trying to fit in.  They are going to meet with the salesperson to train that person to be kinder.  (Some things cannot be taught, anyone who would do that to another human being has coal where his heart should be.)  If you want to keep that employee, keep them away from the customers and other employees, doing stock work or paperwork.  Must be a relative.  These people don't work in a vacuum, though, and would need to come in contact with others at times.  They need extensive training as this behavior is ingrained.  I don't care how bad your day was, you don't treat people like that, period.  I cannot imagine much worse.  Oh wait...  

Hello, Beth and Dave your daughter is temporarily missing, go have a drink and she will magically reappear.  The drinks are spiked with magic juice, they make people disappear and then reappear.  We have done this many times before.  She is safe.

Hello Beth, your daughter fell in love with a blond guy down on the beach.  He is a bushy haired stranger with a dingo.  Don't worry, dingoes only eat babies, they have no taste for females on this island once they hit toddler size.  It happens all the time.  She is safe.

Hello, Beth, your daughter was borrowed by a security guard at her motel.  Don't worry, she is in good hands.  He's a security guard for heaven sakes, she is secure.  Does not happen very often.  We don't know if she is safe.  We will arrest him and pin the crime on him.

Hello, Beth, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

Hello, Beth, this is Peru.  We got him!  Unfortunately, he removed the jewel from another loving family's crown first.  We feel your pain.
************************
As far as getting bad food in Aruba, you are lucky if it is just bad food and does not contain body fluids.  Hopefully there is an antidote for whatever disease arises from it.  Ask Beth about the food in Aruba.

***********************
I would suggest the people on that website buy Beth's book and attend a lecture or two about travel safety with her, then go to Natalee's center and grab as much information as they can on safe traveling.  It would make them less likely to be a victim.  They should study hard if they wish to return to the Island of No Return.  Please, be a life saver, leave your daughters home.  

You can enter any time you like...



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Greetings/nail.gif.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!   

Little known trivia, Red and Tom started this sight before Natalee.  Yes, everyone, the monkeys were alive before that event.  I think that was the event that propelled us into being a family, but Red and Tom saw this need before Natalee even got on the plane to Auba.

I have to agree with you.  I am grateful for this community.  Thanks, Sis for the reminder.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention 2NJ and Muffy for not giving up and making this a safe place to express what is in our hearts.



 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2013, 07:15:38 PM
...
I wonder what EuroRobert thought of the program.

Well now... That is a good question!

There were some new 'facts' - at least for me. But it wasn't earth shaking in my opinion.
But I made some notes. So you can judge for yourselves.


The program was divided into three sections or 'scenarios'.

Scenario 1 - The Pimps

Three fishermen say that it is impossible that Joran and Natalee were at the beach at the time Joran said they were there. The would have been seen by the fishermen.
Another witness says he saw the Kalpoe car at 2.30hrs somewhere else on the island.
Possibly Joran and others took Natalee to Jorans house to have sex. That was their habbit or even ‘modus operandi’ (possibly they sometimes even drugged girls). In march earlier that year for instance they rented a hotelroom in ‘The Mill’ to have sex with two American and one Colombian girl. A girl named Karen says that they took pictures of those gatherings and videos.
At least one chat conversation on Jorans computer between Joran and one of the Kalpoes confirmes that. But those videos and images were not found in the police investigation. Possibly they were erased. Police and FBI thought that videos of those sex events were possibly sold to a man named Paul B. aka the Mister Pink of Pink Productions. He had relations with the people behind the website Reality Kings. It was this website of which Joran downloaded two porn movies at the night of the disappearance of Natalee.

Scenario 2 - DJ Diablo

DJ Diablo (Steve ?) had a party boat ‘The Tattoo’. He told Natalee was dropped of at a hotel lobby but survailance camera videos showed he lied about that. He says later that night he was at his boat. Did he help Joran dump Natalee’s body in the ocean. He had told more lies about where he was and what he did. He had told he was in another bar and didn’t know if he had been in the Carlos and Charlies but it was proven he was there that evening.

Scenario 3 - The rapist

Tracey Allen from Denver Colorado had been attacked nine days before Natalee disappeared. That had happened at the Fisherman’s Huts. It looked like that guy had been waiting for a woman to be there at her own. It looked like a modus operandi. He had been waiting there for some time. For about four minutes the halfly undressed guy tried to pull Tracey in his car. But she screamed and fought back.
Later she could identify the guy with the help of the FBI and was 100 % sure that was the guy. The guy had been arrested and put in jail on Aruba but for some unclear reason was let go whereafter he fled, probably to Colombia or Venezuela.

The general conclusion or perspective of the program was that the police investigations were done very bad. For instance the fact that the door of Natalees hotel room was opened three times with Natalee’s key card was not thouroughly investigated. But this was crucial information. Was it Natalee herself who had regained her consiounce and come back from the beach, was or were it the people who left Natalee on the beach or somewhere else of even killed her? Or did Natalee’s roommates had legitametely - or not - used her card. Natalee’s roommates were not asked if they had Natalee’s key card.
Another thing that was a total fail was that survaillance camera’s on the island were only investigated three weeks after the disappearence of Natalee. But most video recordings were standardly erased after two weeks. So it couldn’t been seen where the car of the Kalpoes had driven and so on.

The reporters have written a book on their findings as well.

It's 22.45 in the evening here. But daytime for you so: have a good day!

Goodbye!!!

 ::boxjoran::

Thanks, EURobert.  Good to see you.  Thanks for the help.  Take care.

    "teddybear2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on October 21, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Really Julia...ya think they might have been planning to do the same with Natalee?

Well of course you do, you've always known.

I've got one word for you Julia, KARMA. 

JMO





 ::rhino::

And we will all still be here waiting and watching.............


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 21, 2013, 10:17:32 PM
Today was Natalee's birthday!  She would have been 27.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2013, 10:41:02 PM
I think I edited all the "f" words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_kQrllIyk

crimesite

Published on Oct 17 , 2013

The main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case , Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe , some months before her disappearance participated in a sex fest with American tourists were in a hotel in Aruba. In addition , Van der Sloot as a witness filming of an underage girl . This is contained in the confidential police file on the case , which KRO's Focal - Reporter got hands . The investigation also found chat messages showing that Joran van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe re photo and film wanted to make a woman . Few weeks after

Joran hired along with a group of friends during the Easter holidays of 2005 for three days a room at the Mill Hotel in Aruba. At one point there were two American tourists were and a Colombian girl brought to the room , with whom contact was made in Carlos' n Charlies , the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance .

Freddy , a friend of Joran was present and stated to the police : " It was on a Saturday that Joran , Deepak and I went to The Mill Hotel along with three girls I have sex with an American girl sitting Deepak went into the bathroom . . went AMERICAN sex with a girl on the balcony . with the Colombian girl. Joran Joran told me later that the girl had sucked him. " on the balcony Another witness says: " Joran had said that when he was in me this year " The Mili Hotel " was staying , he had filmed when the girl under the influence of alcoholic beverages wrong a fourteen year old girl in the hotel room . "

Research by the Dutch Forensic Institute at the computer Joran van der Sloot , has proved again that he was planning to make a sex act . Filming a few weeks later Satish Kalpoe asks Joran van der Sloot that he is going to do that day. Joran : " A little f***en with my chick on the beach ." Satish : " This time we're filming it ."

A cold case team re- investigated in the case, pulled in an official report concluded: " The seized chats , found on the computer of Joran van der Sloot , know actually but a few topics f***en or f*** , alcohol , chicks and renting hotel rooms , apparently for there to have sex with girls and photographing or filming them . "

Following the Cold Case investigation, Joran vd Sloot arrested again in 2007 , but in Aruba released for lack of evidence by a judge again .

The reports on the issue can be read on the website of Focal - KRO Reporter : reporter.incontxt.nl

http://www.youtube.com/v/Er_kQrllIyk

Julia, the voice of reason.  She looks good here.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
Happy Birthday Natalee,
we're still here...not giving up!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2013, 11:57:52 PM
People Magazine July 4, 2005
www.people.com

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2013, 12:03:32 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2013, 12:21:32 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Really Julia...ya think they might have been planning to do the same with Natalee?

Well of course you do, you've always known.

I've got one word for you Julia, KARMA. 

JMO





 ::rhino::

And we will all still be here waiting and watching.............

     :smt090 :smt069 "teddybear2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2013, 04:14:07 AM
Today was Natalee's birthday!  She would have been 27.

Today is the day after my son's birthday.  All of the missing were in my heart yesterday as we celebrated another year of life. 

Natalee, if the love in a heart could bring a person back to life, surely you would be with us today.  Unfortunately, it was hate, not love that took you away.  It will be love that brings you back.  It will happen, I am sure, for love conquers hate, and there is no mother that loves her daughter more than your mother loves you.  Beth, you were on my mind today.  I cannot feel your pain, but the pain I felt at your loss was tremendous, the pain you must feel has to knock you off your feet every day.  That you get up every day and put one foot in front of the other is a miracle.  Our Lord must place his hands in yours to help you arise each morning.  I am glad to know you have someone with you each and every minute, even the ones you feel more alone than anyone should ever feel.

Let's hope 27 is the magic number.  It seems to some without faith, or some who have temporarily forgotten people are working night and day somewhere to help bring our Natalee home, it will never happen.  Beth, I hope I was not too bold in claiming her as my own, along with countless others who have gone to bed every night with her on our minds and woken up each morning to go confidently through the day, thinking there has been enough suffering, and surely today is the day we will bring Natalee home.

We are here with you, Beth, waiting for the day Natalee comes home and each, in our own way, doing what we can to make that happen.  Maybe we have prayed, attended a book signing, contributed to a search, read your book, or stopped someone from going to the island which will remain nameless, because this is not about them, it is not about fear, it is not about despair.  This is about Natalee and her birthday.  It is a celebration of the anniversary she was born into this world.  We are so grateful she was here.  She has left her footprints in the sand and on our hearts, we will find where her earthly footprints ended and her heavenly ones began.  She will come home.

Beth, I see you in the promos for your various speaking engagements, and for the new projects you embark on to make sure each and every daughter and son of ours comes home safely from a trip that should bring fond memories, even silly teenage memories.  You look so much like Natalee, you are blended as one and I realize she is here with us, and you carry with you her legacy.  You want love, faith, and happiness, just like Natalee, and you want our children and all of us to be able to go on vacation and let our hair down, and let us do it without fear.  We can bring home any kind of memory we want because, when we are safe, we have a choice, a choice to have happy memories, crazy memories, and even outrageous ones, but the memories and the events are our choice and not the choice of someone who would dare bring harm for their 'pleasure.' 

I cannot imagine what they do is pleasure for them, if it was, those memories would last longer and they would not need to repeat their heinous acts over and over again, making things worse and more dangerous with each act.  When will they wake up to the reality of it all?  Thanks for helping all those you have touched remain safe, no matter what they have chosen to do on their trips, as long as they are cognitively aware of what is going on.  With your help, these girls and boys will bring only the happiest of memories back from their safe travels.  I hope these practices become so engrained in our lives, the criminals are thwarted by their practice and the people who are on vacation, know exactly what to do as these practices become innate.

God bless you, Beth for taking what is surely the worst moment of your life and turning it into years of hard work to make sure no one else ever experiences your pain.

Happy Birthday, Natalee!  Beth and Dave, you are forever linked by this ray of sunshine named Natalee.   We celebrate the happy memories of picking her special name, the preparation of the room that would be hers, the many plans you made for her until she was old enough to do them for herself, and the hope you had she would be born healthy, and live a long, happy and fruitful life.  Remember and celebrate those memories, they were real, and cannot be taken from you.  From the moment you looked into her beautiful eyes, she brought happiness and pride to you both.  Beth and Dave made beautiful children, best of all, their beauty started from within.  They must have been outstanding parents.  I can't forget Natalee's sister, a beauty herself, who has missed the guidance of a big sister for too many years.  May God be with you, and all Nat's loving friends and relatives, as we celebrate the 27th anniversary of the birth of our heart, Natalee Holloway.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2013, 11:57:28 AM

Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on October 22, 2013, 07:58:07 PM

Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/



I know many of us both respected and was grateful for Kyle during the search -- and then was very much upset with him for not following through with his convictions afterwards. After seeing his post, I wonder if he can now come back and tell us his thoughts and what he has done about it since --- 5 years later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741 (http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741)

The Ghost of Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

Posted by Paul Dale Roberts on Tuesday, October 22, 2013

 ::snipping3::

With the many witnesses that claim to have seen or heard about the blonde phantom woman of the Aruba beaches, I do believe they are seeing something that may be paranormal. With the two EVPs that I received, there is a strong indication that there is paranormal activity. I gathered no positive proof that the EVPs are from Natalee Holloway, nor did I ever see a blonde phantom woman on the beaches of Aruba. Many people believe Joran spiked Natalee’s drinks with drugs. Many people believe that Joran’s father took Natalee on his boat and dumped her body in the ocean. One person I interviewed that calls herself Sasha, says he received this information from the circle of friends that were associated with Joran. My thoughts, when rumors are this strong, there appears there may be some type of foundation of truth and this matter should continue being investigated by the police. As long as Natalee’s death is not confirmed, Aruba cannot truly be ‘one happy island’. There must be a conclusion to this and justice must be served! Natalee will always be in the hearts of millions. She is an innocent girl that confronted evil and paid a terrible price. God bless Natalee.

By Paul Dale Roberts, HPI Esoteric Detective
HPI (Hegelianism Paranormal Intelligence) International


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Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2013, 12:56:15 AM

Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/



I know many of us both respected and was grateful for Kyle during the search -- and then was very much upset with him for not following through with his convictions afterwards. After seeing his post, I wonder if he can now come back and tell us his thoughts and what he has done about it since --- 5 years later.

The same thought ran through my head, Wreck. 

I always hoped when the smoke cleared, little Natalee got older, or someone looked deep inward and didn't like what they saw, things would be made clearer.  Would anyone recognize the truth if presented?  Which version of the truth are we up to?  Even those who share the same cage have conflicting thoughts about what happened, when, how did she disappear, where was she then, and where is she now?  Some disagree about Joran's knowledge of her present location.

Beth seemed satisfied with Peter's research.  There are still other questions to be answered, there are still other questions to be asked.

   ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2013, 01:06:34 AM
http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741 (http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741)

The Ghost of Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

Posted by Paul Dale Roberts on Tuesday, October 22, 2013

 ::snipping3::

With the many witnesses that claim to have seen or heard about the blonde phantom woman of the Aruba beaches, I do believe they are seeing something that may be paranormal. With the two EVPs that I received, there is a strong indication that there is paranormal activity. I gathered no positive proof that the EVPs are from Natalee Holloway, nor did I ever see a blonde phantom woman on the beaches of Aruba. Many people believe Joran spiked Natalee’s drinks with drugs. Many people believe that Joran’s father took Natalee on his boat and dumped her body in the ocean. One person I interviewed that calls herself Sasha, says he received this information from the circle of friends that were associated with Joran. My thoughts, when rumors are this strong, there appears there may be some type of foundation of truth and this matter should continue being investigated by the police. As long as Natalee’s death is not confirmed, Aruba cannot truly be ‘one happy island’. There must be a conclusion to this and justice must be served! Natalee will always be in the hearts of millions. She is an innocent girl that confronted evil and paid a terrible price. God bless Natalee.

By Paul Dale Roberts, HPI Esoteric Detective
HPI (Hegelianism Paranormal Intelligence) International

    ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2013, 11:57:38 PM
It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!   

Little known trivia, Red and Tom started this sight before Natalee.  Yes, everyone, the monkeys were alive before that event.  I think that was the event that propelled us into being a family, but Red and Tom saw this need before Natalee even got on the plane to Auba.

I have to agree with you.  I am grateful for this community.  Thanks, Sis for the reminder.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention 2NJ and Muffy for not giving up and making this a safe place to express what is in our hearts.



 ::MonkeyAngel::



San!!!   :smt066

I have looked at this post over and over because something did not feel right.  I skimmed over names like I usually do, which is why everyone else remembers all of the characters much better than I.  Tonight I read it again, typed a message, with emoticons out my ear, and a very heartfelt apology.  I could hear the little men on the top of my IE tool bar weeping from my pleas of forgiveness.  Then it happened.  I hit Refresh instead of Preview.  The little men were flung from my task bar into oblivion.  I think thy now work for Firefox.  When I was using Firefox, this would not have been a problem, I could hit edit and get every word back and all was right with the world.  With IE, there is no such feature that I know about or can find, and therefore, my apology is known only to the little men on top of my toolbar, may they have had a soft landing.  San would have hated it anyway, maybe it was kismet.

San, a woman with a small name and a big heart, your dedication to Natalee has not gone unnoticed.  You are deeply admired for your ability to pull the right words out of the air at the right moment, and your ability to retrieve the information stored in your memory.  You have, not only the ability to remember what happened years ago, but to remember how that story has changed over the years.  If we only remembered the beginning and not how things changed, we may still be blaming a security guard for her disappearance.  You are not one to live in the past.  Thank you for your dedication to Natalee, San, my fellow mod and fur baby lover.  Your championing of this sweet woman who was taken from us too soon is inspiring.

I will repost my cheers for you, like it or not.

 
::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 24, 2013, 12:55:24 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/living/missing-children-hope/

For parents of the missing, does hope spring eternal? 
updated 4:34 PM EDT, Wed October 23, 2013

 ::snipping3::
Few know the fleeting moments of hope -- and anguish -- associated with the search for a missing child like Dave Holloway, the father of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who went missing on a trip to Aruba in 2005. The Holloway case captivated the country, and even now from time to time, a new lead in the case will make headlines.

'A never-ending story'

In an interview with HLN, Holloway said he is currently interested in one such lead. There is a Dutch man in Aruba, he said, who claims to know where Natalee's body was hidden. Holloway is a bit skeptical, but if the information seems promising, he'll follow through. This is the life of a parent who has seen every side of his child's tragedy laid bare for the public: The panic, the hope, the feelings of resignation and the never-ending quest for answers.

Holloway says he doesn't mind the media attention. If anything, he appreciates it. He wants it. Any coverage gets the family closer to finding out the truth. "If the media is not attacking it, the [Aruban] authorities aren't interested," he said. "Of all of the thousands of cases involving missing children, the parents have always yearned for media attention."

Over the years, Holloway has worked with numerous families and support groups for parents with missing children. In addition to all of the grief he has felt and witnessed, another emotion surfaces, as well: Guilt. When a child is lost, it at first seems as if the options are inexhaustible. As time passes, the leads become fewer, the attention dies down and Holloway said, some parents he has met are left grasping at straws.

"There's a lot of guilt," he said. "I ran into individuals that felt like they maybe could have done more, keep pushing and pushing, and maybe something will get done."

Natalee Holloway was declared dead in 2012. It was her father who filed the petition. It wasn't, he said, for emotional closure. "At some point in time, you've got to take care of some legal issues. She was still listed as a beneficiary -- there's insurance, savings accounts."

Dave Holloway had started a college fund for Natalee that had to be used by the time she turned 21. Her 21st birthday came and went in 2007, and she wasn't there to collect it.

"Time eventually takes care of the healing process," Holloway said. "But for us, it's like a never-ending story."

The Holloways are certain they know who can tell them about their daughter's disappearance. Unfortunately, that man is languishing in a Peruvian prison. Dutch national Joran Van Der Sloot was a prime suspect in Holloway's disappearance, and his ever-changing claims regarding his involvement kept the media, and the Holloways, on a tight leash. He was indicted by the United States for fraud and extortion in connection with the case. However, in 2012, he pleaded guilty to the murder of a young woman in Lima, and is currently serving a 28-year sentence. For the Holloways, that means their quest for justice has been put on an excruciating, lengthy hold.

"Somebody knows the answers, and someone is withholding," Holloway said of Van Der Sloot. Holloway said he and his family had been frustrated by the authorities in Aruba, and now, they must abide by the Peruvian justice system as well. "It's never going to end for us, as far as justice is concerned."
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/van-der-sloot-blijft-betrokkenheid-verdwijning-natalee-ontkennen

Google translation

29 minutes ago
Van der Sloot continues to deny involvement disappearance Natalee

Joran van der Sloot still denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He does this in an interview with RTL.

Van der Sloot admits, from his cell in Peru Lima, he told the then 17-year-old American student who was vacationing in Aruba. Many lies But clarify the matter, he can not, he says. "Because I do not know what exactly happened."

'Error'
What the Dutch do remember is that he that night in June 2005 with Natalee to the beach at Fisherman's Hut is gone after a night out. "We were very drunk. No drugs. I left her alone on the beach. That was a mistake. I should bring. Her to the hotel"
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 26, 2013, 01:57:59 AM

Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on October 27, 2013, 12:22:01 PM
It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!   

Little known trivia, Red and Tom started this sight before Natalee.  Yes, everyone, the monkeys were alive before that event.  I think that was the event that propelled us into being a family, but Red and Tom saw this need before Natalee even got on the plane to Auba.

I have to agree with you.  I am grateful for this community.  Thanks, Sis for the reminder.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention 2NJ and Muffy for not giving up and making this a safe place to express what is in our hearts.



 ::MonkeyAngel::



San!!!   :smt066

I have looked at this post over and over because something did not feel right.  I skimmed over names like I usually do, which is why everyone else remembers all of the characters much better than I.  Tonight I read it again, typed a message, with emoticons out my ear, and a very heartfelt apology.  I could hear the little men on the top of my IE tool bar weeping from my pleas of forgiveness.  Then it happened.  I hit Refresh instead of Preview.  The little men were flung from my task bar into oblivion.  I think thy now work for Firefox.  When I was using Firefox, this would not have been a problem, I could hit edit and get every word back and all was right with the world.  With IE, there is no such feature that I know about or can find, and therefore, my apology is known only to the little men on top of my toolbar, may they have had a soft landing.  San would have hated it anyway, maybe it was kismet.

San, a woman with a small name and a big heart, your dedication to Natalee has not gone unnoticed.  You are deeply admired for your ability to pull the right words out of the air at the right moment, and your ability to retrieve the information stored in your memory.  You have, not only the ability to remember what happened years ago, but to remember how that story has changed over the years.  If we only remembered the beginning and not how things changed, we may still be blaming a security guard for her disappearance.  You are not one to live in the past.  Thank you for your dedication to Natalee, San, my fellow mod and fur baby lover.  Your championing of this sweet woman who was taken from us too soon is inspiring.

I will repost my cheers for you, like it or not.

 
::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
 ::MonkeyCheer4::

    "teddybear2::

Hi Bearly  :smt066 , thank you for your kind words.  I know I don't post as much as I used and wanted to know how grateful I am for all the dedication everyone has given to Natalee and everyone else on SM (too many to name).  SM is a good place where everyone really does comes together in a time of need.

Hope all is well with everyone.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2013, 05:25:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/167450-om-eist-5-en-2-jaar-cel-tegen-paar-mathew

Google translation

OM claims 5 and 2 years in prison against pair Mathew   

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2013 10:36

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor this morning five years in prison minus remand (18 months) and 15,000 florins penalty sought against Alex Mathew, the former owner of the controversial strip club in San Nicolas: Foxy Lady. To his wife Liliana requiring two years' imprisonment. Both are prime suspects in Aruba's first major trafficking case.

By our reporter

Jack Eliene Geev e

Both Alex and Liliana will not show up again this morning in court. Both deliberated yesterday a medical certificate stating that Alex can not appear associated with pain from a car accident that after the first session, he gets Wednesday,. In court for two weeks Liliana explains to stay in America for five days and would not be allowed to travel to the doctor. It ensures that the trial both Wednesday and Thursday is suspended, but this morning at nine o'clock decision Judge J. Drop, even though the defendants did not show up, yet content to hear the case. Both have no other lawyers. Present prosecutors Peter Blanken and Diewertje Stikkelbroeck.

Exten k

The prosecution today deals with the results of the investigation of trafficking and exploitation by the owners of club Foxy Lady, from January 2010. "Last week we heard the last witness, that shows how extensive this case," emphasizes Stikkelbroeck. According to the OM give the statements of thirteen women and a man sufficiently convincing evidence that there has been human trafficking and exploitation. Mentioned in the bar Foxy Lady

It appears from the statements of the girls who worked as strippers in the bar, that as a dancer or barmaid to Aruba are met. Under false pretenses The women are from Southern Europe and South America. They must surrender passports and some of the women have no visa. There is regular of abuse and / or sexual abuse. The women are photographed naked and then blackmailed with the footage. Contact with the outside world is prohibited and phones must be returned, so explain the women surveyed.

Later, the employees get a phone that can be called. Within Aruba only On this phone, the women called several times a day to check where they hang out. Furthermore, the women can not go anywhere without security. They have to give up money and become debt created by imposing. Excessive fines It is only after the contract payment, so if the women go out of service, and women have to work much longer hours than contractually agreed. Furthermore it is forbidden to leave and Alex would frequently have threatened that he could disappear without a rooster would crow to the women.

Fear- t

"It is clear that the victims in this case was instilled fear," says Stikkelbroeck. "Fear of the suspects, known fear is what they have done, fear of losing their jobs and fear of reprisals." According to the prosecutor, the witness was interrogated last week, three years later, still scared. "The woman, who is on the other side of the world is, asked us before she made her statement, or Alex and Liliana were present. Fear is a phenomenon that we encounter in all human affairs. "

Uitbuitin g

The biggest indictment of both Alex and Liliana is exploitation. A form of exploitation, in the form of forced or compulsory labor, which is close to sexual exploitation. This is not because it is forced labor in a striptease tent, but because of coercion are used as control sexual abuse, as they sit on the toilet and making nude photos that are also widely used in sexual exploitation.

Ribcage t

The statements of the thirteen women who otherwise employed in Foxy Lady, during different periods come at different points very similar and are also underlined by the research. Judge J. Drop emphasized those points in the session. "Many women state that their passports were taken. Four passports were recovered during the police investigation into a jacket hanging in the bedroom of Alex. The women are paid less than agreed. For example, in the contract, that they must sign that they get their next dagsalaris, tip and get paid commission on private dance shows and beverage sales. However, the women declare that only the tip is paid and later even this amount again halved "the judge added,". Moreover, it would also sometimes a bar bill be paid with the tip money "There is much talk of sex. abuse and mistreatment. Any woman who is interrogated, declares that it has had. Making this As an example, 'N' called, an employee who admitted to being raped six times by Alex and during this sexual abuse was mistreated that they broke three ribs such. To agents then she shows her ribcage. The officers explained later that the ribs are indeed in a funny attitude.

Substantial egg s

While Alex is typified, as leader of the criminal organization is also the role of his wife Liliana not be underestimated. "They arranged and checked everything. They approached the future victims over the internet. Liliana plays an important role in regulating their coming to Aruba and the preparation of the contract. That is a very decisive role, after the initial contact was made through her. That it plays a role as a woman it is important. After all, can result in women who respond rather the impression that everything is in order. A woman inspires confidence in this kind of business rather than a man. "That Liliana under pressure from Alex operated, works in her case reducing punishment. "But she has played a crucial role, creating a strong requirement remains." On November 15, does the court ruling.


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Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2013, 05:49:22 PM
http://themorningnewsaruba.com/local/international-school-of-aruba-officially-opens-their-world-languages-and-arts-complex/

International School of Aruba officially opens their World Languages and Arts Complex
On 23 Oct, 2013 At 11:39 PM | Categorized As Local | With 0 Comments

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ORANJESTAD – – ISA Headmistress Sarah Putnam was pleased to welcome Aruba’s Governor Fredis Refunjol and Prime Minister Mike Eman to share the ribbon cutting honors with her at the official opening of the World Languages and Arts Complex on Tuesday evening, October 22.

A number of island dignitaries attended the grand opening event, joined by the ISA Board Chair and President of International Schools Services, (ISS) Roger Hove. Principal Putnam cited the personal support of Mr. Hove and the ISS in making this humanities educational center a reality, as well as the concerted fundraising efforts of staff and the parents of the students.

Prime Minister Eman, when called to the podium, dwelled on the importance of such a complex. He affirmed his belief that development of creativity and artistic self-expression is just as important as more academic subjects, encouraging a happy, well-rounded community, insuring a better “quality of life.” Ms. Putnam summed up the necessity of such a center by quoting Aristotle “Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.”

A number of parties involved in the completion of this project, which broke ground less than one year ago, were called to the podium to say a few words. This included ISA NOB Advisory Board President Annette Boelen, who reiterated the importance of Dutch for island students who may go on to higher education in Holland. ISA PTA President Vanessa van der Veldt expressed the doubtful reaction when Ms. Putnam first proposed the project, and complimented the school’s principal on her ideals and tenacity.

Visual and Performing Arts teachers Anita van der Sloot and John Douglas also expressed their extreme satisfaction for the quality of humanities education they could now deliver to their students.

Various individuals were recognized for their assistance in the completion of the project, in particular, Reint J. Roossien, for whom the new conference room is named, and major contributors Richard and Milly Lacle, the namesake of the Richard Lacle Visual & Performing Arts Wing.

Ms. Putnam closed the opening ceremonies by apologizing that the ISA does not yet have a program to address the learning disabled, but would hope to see one established, eventually. In recognition of this oversight, they had reached an agreement with the Aruba Autism Foundation (FAA) to donate 10% of the proceeds from a fundraising raffle to the FAA. One of its co-founders, Dilma Arends-Geerman, received the check on behalf of the FAA.

By Rosalie Klein

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2013, 05:49:22 PM
It's probably just me, but it sounds like the Mathews failed to pay their protection money.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2013, 06:00:37 PM
Is that who I think it is?   ::MonkeyEek::

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223266337846547&set=a.223050377868143.1073741833.156125984560583&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F935988_223266337846547_53180057_n.jpg&size=960%2C644

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Guess it is...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda

Carol Figueroa changed her cover photo.
October 20

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Carol Figueroa changed her profile picture.
October 20

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2013, 12:15:57 AM
They make me sick


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
They make me sick

 :smt078  One crappy island...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2013, 02:46:30 PM
They make me sick

Me too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
They make me sick

 :smt078  One crappy island...

 ::rhino::


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Anita at 1:58   ::MonkeyRoll::

"This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing."   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSydjDhWAE



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2013, 12:10:47 AM
Anita at 1:58   ::MonkeyRoll::

"This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing."   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSydjDhWAE



Not all students are cut out to do math, not all students are cut out to do English, but some are cut out to be murderers.  Just ask teacher Anita van der Sloot.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2013, 12:25:15 AM
Anita at 1:58   ::MonkeyRoll::

"This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing."   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSydjDhWAE



Not all students are cut out to do math, not all students are cut out to do English, but some are cut out to be murderers.  Just ask teacher Anita van der Sloot.

I thought the same, and about the "art" of deception...she's got a lot of years invested in that too.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on October 30, 2013, 08:26:19 AM
Anita could have been an actress if she weren't so dang FUGLY.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on October 31, 2013, 09:06:10 AM
Anita could have been an actress if she weren't so dang FUGLY.

And stooopid.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on November 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Anita could have been an actress if she weren't so dang FUGLY.

And stooopid.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2013, 12:24:38 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Just doesn't seem like much time to me, considering the crime.  JMO

http://www.journauxmondiaux.com/Journaux/Amigoe_Willemstad.asp?IDRSS=4857

Google translation:

Over 14 years in jail in Oslo case

Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:26:01 +0000

ORANGE CITY - The suspects in major drug case Oslo Thursday have received a total of over 14 years in prison. Prime suspect Gerdric Beeldsnijder was convicted on all counts and was given four years in prison. The judge wiped the attempt by the lawyers to the Public Prosecution Service (OM) to be inadmissible - because the prosecutor according to the lawyers' intentionally and purpose of extradition to the U.S. "has not prosecuted for" membership of the suspects a criminal organization "- the table.

http://bearingpointcaribbean.com/news/officier-van-justitie-om-aruba-speelt-niet-onder-hoedje-met-amerikaans-drug-enforcement-agency/

Google translation:

Prosecutor: OM Aruba does not cahoots with U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency

FRIDAY, 18 OCTOBER 2013

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) does not in cahoots with the U.S. Drug Enforcement DEA to get accused of drug smuggling even further punished in the United States. "We do not play this game. We will not make it harder than it is, "emphasizes case officer Jaap Zondervan against  Amigoe .

He was responding to "misunderstandings" that arose after the trial of suspects of international drug trafficking. It is the so-called Oslo-case "in which suspects, from August last year to March this year, have worked together to smuggle cocaine. Reina Beatrix airport via the Netherlands and the U.S.

One of the suspects, a cleaner at the airport, is behind the U.S. Customs' courier handed three kilos of cocaine to take to the U.S., says Zondervan. "Easy for courier, because he does not have with drugs through customs." This cleaner is interrogated by the Americans, says the officer. The interrogation by DEA employees came forward during the trial.

The lawyer of the accused concluded that the prosecution deliberately a certain charge (membership of a criminal organization) has omitted to facilitate. Subsequent extradition to and condemnation by the U.S. "Not true," emphasizes Zondervan. "There is absolutely no question of a preconceived plan. We're not going to punish here and keep a back door open so they get another penalty in the U.S.. "According to the officer's conversation with the suspect the Americans had a" totally different drug case. Went The prosecution did in this case 'not relevant' to the charges add. Membership of a criminal organization "It also has to do with proof. If you accuse, you should also be able to prove. "However, the defendants 'complicity' accused.

The matter came to rolling by tapping the phone of one of the suspects. Who appeared to have other people, that there several arrests have come from so many connections tells Zondervan. Monday, the first three suspects in this case sentenced to four and two years in prison. The prosecution says 'itself satisfied' with the judgment of the court and will not appeal. "I do not know if the lawyer for the defendants will appeal," said Zondervan.

A total of Justice has twelve of which ten suspects have appeared in court. One of the suspects was deported to Suriname and prosecution of the suspect, the last OM yet decided. "He did not play such a big role." The following statement in the Oslo case is scheduled for October 31. Against the other defendants have demanded prison sentences of three to seven years.


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Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2013, 12:48:11 PM
 ::brandimonkeycop::

http://bearingpointcaribbean.com/news/arubaanse-politie-op-facebook/

Google translation:

Aruban police on Facebook

7 OCTOBER 2013

Oranjestad - The Police Corps Aruba (KPA) has its own page on Facebook since October 1. The aim is thus to come closer assist the community and certainly closer to the youth. Dolfi Richardson police chief explained that the police can be followed via Facebook, so everyone can see what happens.

,, So we can keep in the best way the community informed, but they also quick-switch as needed. "The police is not the first public body which turns on the use of social media. It has the advantage that in an accessible way information can be disseminated, but also receive.

, Providing a platform where people can go for in-formation, complaints, criticisms and suggestions that have to do with the work of the police, "said Richardson. The police chief himself is closely involved in the Facebook page of the police. ,, I assure everyone that we work very hard and are well able to ensure safety. Everyone on this island Nevertheless, we want to love to hear if people have suggestions on how we can do. "Our work even better
www.facebook.com/ Corps Police Aruba

Source: Dgablad Antilles, Curacao



https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on November 03, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
::brandimonkeycop::

http://bearingpointcaribbean.com/news/arubaanse-politie-op-facebook/

Google translation:

Aruban police on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba

Good,  we can see if any of the sporter's "friends" get busted!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on November 08, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
http://www.nltimes.nl/2013/11/08/joran-van-der-sloot-wants-new-trial/

Joran van der Sloot wants new trial
15:31 CET, Friday, 8, November, 2013

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, imprisoned in Peru, is challenging his deportation from Chile. The issue will be addressed by the Inter-American Court of Human Rights on November 18, reported his Peruvian lawyer in the United States, Aldo Cotrina, Friday in an interview with the Peruvian TV channel ATV +.

The Dutchmand was deported unlawfully in June 2010, because he didn’t get legal assistance. The Chilean police arrested him after the Peruvian authorities issued an international arrest warrant. Van der Sloot was wanted in Peru, because the Peruvian Stephany Flores was found dead in his hotel room.
 ::snipping3::
The lawyer asks that the entire process for the murder of Flores in Lima be redone and that Van der Sloot receive a compensation of 10 million euros.



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Post by: Kermit on November 08, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Aldo Cotrina
https://twitter.com/cotrial


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on November 08, 2013, 09:16:03 PM
Just a reminder:  A 2011 article about the lawsuit against Chile and Peru alleging human rights violation

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/30/world/americas/chile-van-der-sloot

Van der Sloot sues Chile over his extradition to Peru for murder trial 
updated 5:34 AM EST, Thu December 1, 2011

(CNN) -- The Dutch man suspected in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway has sued the Chilean government for more than $13 million, alleging his human rights were violated when Chile extradited him last year to Peru to face charges in the death of a Peruvian woman.

"The lawsuit is against the Chilean government, for having violated Joran van der Sloot's basic human rights," his Peruvian lawyer Aldo Cotrina  told In Session. The suit was filed September 4 with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights in Washington.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Mere on November 09, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
On HLN now.......The Natalee Holloway Story....dated 2013.....a Nancy Grace Mysteries   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2013, 10:26:04 PM
On HLN now.......The Natalee Holloway Story....dated 2013.....a Nancy Grace Mysteries   ::HelloKitty::

Thanks Mere!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2013, 10:29:19 PM
This may have been figured out before and I missed it, but according to Freddy's grandmother's obituary Ernesto is Freddy's uncle; not his brother.

http://www.diario.aw/category/obituario/page/16/

Obituary

Editha Virginia Arambatzis Perez Martha

21 May 1932 - 11 January 2013

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/m28.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/387587517948660/

Familia Arambatzis <3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 10, 2013, 09:33:52 AM
Freddy sure hasn't aged well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on November 10, 2013, 12:55:44 PM
Freddy sure hasn't aged well. 

He really hasn't.  He looks stoned and I see that he just got a fresh new tattoo.  That picture might have been taken at a tattoo parlor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2013, 12:26:44 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've read about two fatal shootings in the Tanki Leendert area in the past few months, so I'm not sure which one they're referring to.  IIRC both fatalities were shot in the head, and in one of the incidents another person was also injured, shot in the leg.  One of the incidents was outside of Club 21.  In one of the recent murders, the shots were fired from a scooter iirc.  From the other articles about this incident I don't think anyone was injured, the car just drove by and shot several times toward a home and car.

http://www.awe24.com/20131110/16350/Aparentemente_mesun_arma_automatico_cu_a_ser_usa_den_assesinato_algun_luna_pasa

Papiamentu translation:

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/16350/1_1384111190.jpg)

apparently same arm automatico cu owing to being using in assesinato some month happen owing to go back being using

12 hora happen, 10 of november 2013 11:09

investigacionnan relaciona cu the tiramento at tanki leendert is continua, have much indicacion cu apparently the same arm automatico assesino owing to being using again today madruga. posiblemente the is one mini uzi 9mm. one tean big of recherche specializa owing to being assigna for investiga the caso here cu all prioridad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/168914-opnieuw-schietpartij-tanki-leendert

Google translation:

Again shooting Tanki Leendert   

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2013 09:30

ORANGE CITY - Strangers have the night of Saturday to Sunday from a moving car several shots fired at the house Tanki Leendert 155. The police suspect that the inhabitants of the house were the intended target. However, no one was injured.

The technical investigation conducted extensive trace evidence and found several bullet impacts on the outside of the house. The investigation did research area, heard several witnesses and arrested a person for possession of narcotics. There was a small amount of marijuana encountered. The investigation into the shooting is still in progress.

It is a house near the place on Sunday, June 30th a deadly shooting took the life of Marco Brete (43). He was shot by a gunman on a passing scooter in the head and died on the spot. According to reports, the house yesterday where shots were fired on, inhabited by a family Petrochi. A family member would actually have been the target in the murder Brete this was never confirmed by the authorities. Brete would be affected when the gunmen focused on Petrochi by mistake. The liquidation of Brete followed another fatal shooting earlier that day. Then Edison Graciete (24) Club 21 close shot in the head. The main culprit in this case, Stanley Geerman, has since been a fugitive. Authorities believe he left the country.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
From 2009 in the Murder and Crime thread...Stanley Geerman and other last names mentioned in the recent crimes.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Articles from the incident:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg796512#msg796512

Articles from the trial:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg925345#msg925345





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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: IBE on November 14, 2013, 03:45:33 AM
Happy Birthday Natalee,
we're still here...not giving up!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg.html)

Hello all!  Good to see all of you here. Miss you. God Bless, Love, IBE ::monkeyflag3:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Please take care, keep healthy and stay safe!  I forgot how to post so did this reply "teddybear2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: IBE on November 14, 2013, 03:47:23 AM
Happy Birthday Natalee,
we're still here...not giving up!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg.html)

Hello all!  Good to see all of you here. Miss you. God Bless, Love, IBE ::monkeyflag3:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Please take care, keep healthy and stay safe!  I forgot how to post so did this reply "teddybear2::

PS it's sad how many potential women Doctors we have lost due to violence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 14, 2013, 06:35:29 PM
IBE!  Great to see you!    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 15, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
They may have found the bodies of the McStay family. I just posted in their thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
They may have found the bodies of the McStay family. I just posted in their thread.

Thanks SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2013, 01:17:24 AM
Happy Birthday Natalee,
we're still here...not giving up!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg.html)

Hello all!  Good to see all of you here. Miss you. God Bless, Love, IBE ::monkeyflag3:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Please take care, keep healthy and stay safe!  I forgot how to post so did this reply "teddybear2::

Great to see you IBE!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on November 15, 2013, 01:12:36 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.elpopular.pe/actualidad-y-policiales/2013-11-15-marco-gabriel-arenas-admiraba-joran-van-der-sloot

Google translation

Marco Gabriel Arenas admired Joran Van der Sloot
November 15, 2013 | 5:00 a.m. .

The personal computer ruthless Gabriel Arenas parricide Marco Castillo ( 22 ) , the young man who strangled and burned alive his mother , businesswoman baker Maria Castillo ( 54 ) , he was a bad manual .

Police found on the hard drive of your laptop , classified information about other high-profile murders that shook the country. A criminal themed Arenas obsessively read almost daily.

The researchers found several files, but I noticed one in particular. Arenas Castillo had placed in an encrypted file named " The Killers - Peru " or " The murderers in Peru" .

In this file is seen extensive information about Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot , who killed the American supuestametne Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005 .

In another folder detailed how abroad murdered the daughter of race car driver Ricardo Flores, Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010 , exactly five years after Holloway's disappearance .

Van der Sloot was arrested on June 3, 2010 in Chile and was deported to Peru . He was sentenced to 28 years in prison , today held at Piedras Gordas.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 17, 2013, 12:07:12 PM
Alex Mathew and his wife Liliana convicted of Human Trafficking, he was sentenced to 4 and a half years and taken to KIA immediately; she was sentenced to 22 months but was not in Aruba so unless she goes back there she's free.  I'm gathering that Alex Mathew made some threats after the sentencing, but I don't really understand what he said.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/72814-alex-mathew-a-haya-4-anja-cu-6-luna-y-bai-kia-mesora

Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew owing to achieve 4 year cu 6 month y is bay kia at once

friday, 15 november 2013 14:03

corte owing to dicta sentencia in the caso of traficacion of being human cu foxy lady. alex mathew owing to achieve castigo of 4 anja y 6 month y owing to detene for go kia at once. his pareha cu is liliana andrade owing to achieve 22 month but do not present because after of owing to bandona aruba owing to let know of not can go back aruba more. doctor do not permiti for her fly according past owing to let know. alex mathew hour owing to listen the sentencia owing to tell in corte "e sentencia here will have consecuencia for boso". autoridad was cla for his detencion if the have to owing to resisti. cu transporte of cea cu escolta of police owing to take away alex mathew straight kia. hour recherchenan owing to go at detene past owing to bisanan "sera you sm... y place boei at my man". had the team of riot present y the k9 unit for cualkier eventualidad. now day liliana andrade go back aruba the will go kia also so cu the place leg on we island. this is one sign cla cu aruba do not acepta none type of traficacion human. is enough lady owing to stay afecta cu thing did take lugar at hand of alex mathew y his pareha during the maneho of foxy lady. will see what is go happen in kia now cu mathew is back in jail. so self none of esnan trahando eyden have fright of dje. the know more bien busca forza of others in kia for ocasiona problem.



http://www.amigoe.com/aruba

Google translation:

(subscriber article)

"People are just as shaken up '

ORANGE CITY - "With the first conviction for trafficking in Aruba, the island local, regional and international show that we are the problem ...



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 17, 2013, 12:28:04 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2013/11/alex-mathew-a-haya-4-ana-y-mey-di-castigo-pa-trafico-di-hende/

Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew owing to achieve 4 year y mey of castigo for trafico of person

publication: saturday, 16 november 2013.

categoria: judicial

*mathew deteni at once in corte

oranjestad (aan): sospechoso alex mathew owing to present fast of huez at corte of husticia diabierna, for hear veredicto in one caso contra dje y his pareha liliana de andrade.

both owing to wordo acusa of trafico human, where cu they will owing to employ menaza y another metodonan, for percura of obliga the child muhernan of stay dance striptease in foxy lady.

huez owing to cuminza at trece motibonan fast, dicon cierto part of defence in the caso here owing to wordo rechaza.

mathew owing to defende his self during tratamento of the caso some week happen, first cu the caso owing to wordo posponi 1 day.

the caso owing to continua without cu mathew was present, door cu past owing to achieve one accidente.

past owing to send one carta of docter for corte for indica cu the not can was present, but the caso owing to wordo deal.

sinembargo the day cu if the was present, mathew owing to tell huez cu the wanted for her citacion contra dje wordo declara nulo, because the investigacion not was close still.

huez owing to achieve cu esey not was sufficient motibo.

one another motibo for declara the citacion nulo according mathew was door cu huez owing to rechaza his peticion of listen cierto testigonan, but huez owing to rechaza this also saying cu several witness atravez of the añanan cu owing to happen owing to wordo listen end y cu mathew not owing to give one motibo valido pakico they have to wordo listen again.

mathew owing to give because; another motibo pakico the caso contra dje have to wordo declara nulo, cu the not owing to wordo permiti of busca one advocate new.

huez owing to rechaza this also saying cu for of several month happen hour cu mathew y his advocate owing to bay for of another, the was have much time for busca uno.

his argument cu the not can owing to achieve one advocate door cu the not was have all his documentonan, huez not owing to achieve valido.

huez owing to splica also cu despite cu mathew owing to send one carta of docter for corte, was much important for follow cu the caso cu or without mathew, mirando the cantidad of time cu owing to happen end.

huez after owing to indica cu all the acusacionnan contra mathew owing to wordo comproba.

according huez, despite cu the child muhernan owing to company one contrato boluntario for dance striptease cu is algo legal, but dado instant mathew y owing to probecha of they, door of not pay they locual past owing to priminti y stroba they of bay hour cu they wanted owing to bay for of the lugar.

according huez, mathew in cierto caso owing to saca potret sexual of some of the child muhernan y owing to menaza cu the will place esakinan on internet if they not make locual the was wanted for they make.

the not was permiti the muhernan bay where cu they was wanted in they time pound y the was as paspoort of some of they.

huez owing to menciona one ehempel of one of the child muhernan cu owing to scapa, where cu after mathew owing to haye trece bek y maltrate.

huez owing to menciona another ehempelnan where esey will owing to sosode, where cu will owing to strike one of the child muhernan at his ribchi.

was have one person also cu owing to tell cu mathew will owing to menaze cu one zaag electrico, while cu the will owing to strike one person cu knee in his cara, where cu the person here owing to bay for of tino.

according huez, at one as structura mathew owing to probecha of the child muhernan y owing to comete trafico humando. fiscal owing to exigi one castigo incondicional of 5 year contra the acusado y huez owing to splica cu door cu much time owing to happen first cu the caso can owing to wordo deal, the is descend this cu 6 month.

then past owing to condena mathew at one castigo incondicional of 4 year y mey kitando the time cu anteriormente past owing to sit end in jail y one multa of 15.000 guilder.

liliana de andrade not was present door cu the was at merca, but huez owing to dune one castigo incondicional of 22 month.

huez owing to indica at mathew cu the have 14 day for apela y past owing to tell at once cu the will apela.

past owing to wordo deteni at once in corte self.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 17, 2013, 01:53:34 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/169303-creditors-tierra-demand-money-from-van-der-valk

Creditors Tierra demand money from Van der Valk   
FRIDAY, 15 NOVEMBER 2013 10:54

ORANJESTAD/WILLEMSTAD — Douglas and Brenda Tollett and Robert Quintal instituted bankruptcy proceedings against Van der Valk Caribbean NV with the Court in Curaçao where the company is domiciled. It regards a claim of more than 300,000 florins, which remains unpaid despite reminders and injunctions.This appears from the so-called bankruptcy petition, which the Amigoe has in its possession. The plaintiffs are actually to receive the money from subsidiary Tierra del Sol but the company is unable to pay the debts. The plaintiffs had namely also instituted bankruptcy proceedings against Teirra del Sol but the latter had applied for a moratorium and was granted such late October. The judge is to review the moratorium in January 2014. With approx. 100 million florins on outstanding debts besides the relatively small debt of 300,000 florins the plaintiffs don’t believe Tierra can solve its problems and announced to appeal to parent company Van der Valk. The latter namely stands surety for the debts of the creditors. However, as Van der Valk is not paying either the plaintiffs filed a petition in bankruptcy against this company as well.

As appeared late October the total debt of Tierra del Sol is estimated to have run up to 100 million florins divided over 300 creditors. The largest creditors are a few banks with outstanding loans on mortgage. The company places its hope in potential buyer FMV Holding Company. However, an analysis by this buyer described the golf resort as a distress property. Mismanagement, lack of financial reports, lack of capital and a very tense relation with proprietors, employees and suppliers led to serious problems. Nevertheless, with a different management and support from local banks FMV thinks it can rescue Tierra and in due course pay all creditors. Tierra del Sol currently has approx. 100 fulltime employees.

Stay of execution

Lawyer Gabri de Hoogd, who represents creditors Tollett and Quintal on Aruba, believes that Tierra del Sol’s temporary moratorium is only a stay of execution. When a company is granted suspension of payment a receiver is appointed, who is to examine the possibility of a definite moratorium. De Hoogd thinks there’s little chance of the moratorium becoming definite considering the number of creditors and the extent of the debts. “In 99 percent of the cases a temporary moratorium leads to a bankruptcy”, he stated before the Amigoe late October. If the receiver concludes there is a basis for suspension of payment it can be granted definitely for one and a half year with a renewal possibility of 1½ year. Unless the receiver decides sooner the court will give its decision on the moratorium early next year.


http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=39610

Aruba’s Social Column “Bati Bleki” by Rona Coster November 04, 2013
Posted by Aruba Daily on November 4th, 2013

 ::snipping3::

TIERRA DEL SOL TELLS HALF THE TRUTH.   I read with great interest the Tierra del Sol press release this week, about filing for surseance because it is “the best approach to enable TDS to continue its current operations.” It did not sound right. So I asked around. It is the truth, but not really, and you know that a half-truth is sometimes misleading. I found out that indeed some minor creditors filed for bankruptcy, and the hearing should have taken place last week, and then the court would have had no choice but to declare the property bankrupt. It is the law. What to do? However, one way to delay this unpleasantness is to file for “surseance,” a kind of chapter 11-like procedure. And once the debtor, which is Tierra del Sol files for surseance, the court must award it temporary suspension of the bankruptcy hearing, usually a few weeks. My legal-eagle friends tell me that statistically over 99% of the companies that file for surseance go bankrupt within weeks or months, I really hope this case will be totally different. Bottom line, Tierra del Sol did not file for surseance because it is “the best approach to enable TDS to continue its current operations”, it filed for surseance because it is the only way to stop the bankruptcy hearing that was scheduled. It is like a stay-of-execution, a saved-by-the bell move, resulting in staying alive and kicking and that’s always better than knocked-out.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 20, 2013, 07:20:32 AM
 
IBE!  Great to see you!    ::MonkeyDance::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/169658-politie-georganiseerde-misdaad-lijkt-een-trend

Google translation:

Police: 'Organized crime seems to be a trend'   

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2013 09:08

Last night a robbery took place on Palm Beach

ORANGE CITY - "Organized crime seems to be a trend," said police spokesman John Larmonie. He responds to solve at least one shot, last night around nine o'clock in the Corvetstraat in Madiki district. The unknown victim was hit in the chest and injured taken to hospital. Moments later, at eleven o'clock, was in Palm Beach committed a robbery.

By our reporter

Jack Eliene Geev e

"It was a busy night for the police," said Larmonie. Who fired the shot in the Madiki district is not yet known, but according Larmonie it will not be long before the identity is known. "The victim has told, when he came to know that he knows who shot him. Today there will be a warrant out. It is probably a settlement between gangs. "

Robbery

The robbery in Palm Beach last night insisted three unknown men the home of the former director Noris Aruba House of Lis-Donata (68) inside. Self she was at that time not yet exist, because they had a party. However, sleeping on the second floor. Her 73-year-old man inside The robbers managed to find him and demanded money. "They gave would do if he would send money not hurt him", says Larmonie following the testimony. "While the 73-year-old man from his bed indicated money to look, he hid his wallet secretly under his back. This saw the robbers and they grabbed the purse off. "When they heard the front door, startled at the three intruders. Moments later they stood face to face with Van Lis-Donata. She later stated that she thought the men grabbed a gun, but this is not certain, says Larmonie. The robbers then went there with 500 florins, a laptop and a flat screen off.

Organized misdaa d

"You see the crime shift from an impulsive action to a prearranged plan," says Larmonie. "Nowadays, everything is thought out and prepared." Larmonie is itself part of the Crime Prevention Team in Aruba and sees the need to shift to prevention. Attention increasingly "Perpetrators go to work smarter, we need them one step ahead." Larmonie also stressed that the feud between the gangs is far from over. "That it is quiet, does not mean it's over," he says. "Sometimes gangs wait weeks or months with their revenge."

According Larmonie chances are that the shooting in Madiki a revenge on the fatal shooting on June 30. Then the 24-year-old Edison Graciete his head shot in front of Club 21. The main suspect, Stanley Geerman, is still a fugitive. In the same night was also shot and killed the 43-year-old Marco Brete, in this case are not arrested any suspects. Incidentally Brete would not then have been the target but a member of the Petrochi family. Earlier this month, on 11 November, was the home of the family in Petrochi Tanki Leendert shot. These were no injuries. "The thing with the transition goes on," says Larmonie. "And there are only members. Children who live on the streets and at home do not get proper guidance, are recruited and become entangled in a criminal network. How many people still die before we recognize that we have a problem? "He wonders aloud.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 21, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::

I just love this picture!  Thank you texasmom! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2013, 09:50:22 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::

I just love this picture!  Thank you texasmom! 

You're welcome, MuffyBee!  I love this picture too!   ::MonkeyHeart::

 ::justice2nj2:: for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 24, 2013, 04:39:06 PM
Not sure what's going on but this is the first time I've seen NONE:

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Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

None



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10/01/2013 Opposition Document (supplemental opp to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Declaration (OF BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS SUPPLEMENTAL OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Notice of Lodging (DOCS AND EXHIBITS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Application-Miscellaneous (TO FILE UNDER SEAL )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/10/2013 Ord-Appt Apprv Rptr as Rptr protem (MIRTHA R. VALDES, csr# 6428 )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

08/26/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (COMPENDIUM OF FOREIGN CASE LAW CITED IN PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS ON THE FRAUD/NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION AND MISAPPROPRIATION OF LIKENESS CAUSE)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Declaration (OF I. BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Opposition Document (to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

05/31/2013 Notice of Continuance (of defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

05/15/2013 Motion (FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on November 24, 2013, 10:00:04 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Did it usually show the 2014 trial date? 

I don't recall what that date was, I'd have to look back.

hmmm...wonder what it means?





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on November 24, 2013, 11:00:14 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

Did it usually show the 2014 trial date? 

I don't recall what that date was, I'd have to look back.

hmmm...wonder what it means?




Could it be that October 1, 2013 was the last scheduled "Hearing"?

FSC= Final Status Conference?
---------------
From a document posted previously by klaas--

FSC Date is April 7, 2014
Trial Date is April 21, 2014

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 25, 2013, 12:18:28 AM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 25, 2013, 12:21:23 AM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?

Said NONE back in 2007 but that was before it was going to trial.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=752.msg275248#msg275248 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=752.msg275248#msg275248)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on November 25, 2013, 01:33:09 AM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?

BBM ^^^

From the information below (Hearing of September 10, 2013), it seems that there will be a trial in 2014.  imo

http://www.law360.com/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.
 Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on November 25, 2013, 08:59:17 AM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?

BBM ^^^

From the information below (Hearing of September 10, 2013), it seems that there will be a trial in 2014.  imo

http://www.law360.com/articles/471603/dr-phil-unlikely-to-duck-liability-over-holloway-show

Dr. Phil Unlikely To Duck Liability Over Holloway Show

Law360, Los Angeles (September 10, 2013, 4:44 PM ET) -- A California state judge indicated Tuesday he will deny television personality Dr. Phil McGraw's bid to escape a publicity rights claim brought by two brothers suspected in the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying First Amendment protections for newsworthy content don't apply to images of the brothers he broadcast.
 Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William A. McLaughlin tentatively sided with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on one of their many claims arising from a Sept. 15, 2005, episode of “The Dr. Phil Show” that was devoted to the Holloway case. Deepak was shown in a hidden-camera interview with a private investigator working for the show. Footage of both brothers being released from custody in Aruba was also aired.

When a broadcast “includes recklessly false statements, does the newsworthiness exemption exempt the entire matter? My tentative is that it doesn't,” Judge McLaughlin said at a hearing on Dr. Phil's motion for judgment on the pleadings.
 ::snipping3::


Yeah but that's simply one persons opinion.  I'm not even sure I trust the source.  Actually, I'm not sure I trust any media source on any topic these days  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 28, 2013, 09:32:55 AM
Not sure what's going on but this is the first time I've seen NONE:

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Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

None



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10/01/2013 Opposition Document (supplemental opp to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Declaration (OF BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS SUPPLEMENTAL OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Notice of Lodging (DOCS AND EXHIBITS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/01/2013 Application-Miscellaneous (TO FILE UNDER SEAL )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/10/2013 Ord-Appt Apprv Rptr as Rptr protem (MIRTHA R. VALDES, csr# 6428 )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

08/26/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (COMPENDIUM OF FOREIGN CASE LAW CITED IN PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS ON THE FRAUD/NEGLIGENT MISREPRESENTATION AND MISAPPROPRIATION OF LIKENESS CAUSE)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Declaration (OF I. BRIAN MARQUEZ WITH EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLFS OPP TO DEFTS MTN FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/26/2013 Opposition Document (to defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

05/31/2013 Notice of Continuance (of defts mtn for judgment on the pleadings )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

05/15/2013 Motion (FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Thanks for keeping us updated, Klaas!

Happy Thanksgiving/Happy Hannukah to all of the monkeys. 

Justice for Natalee....Boycott Aruba!   ::justice2nj2:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on December 04, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?


Maybe they reached a settlement.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 04, 2013, 05:54:33 PM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?


Maybe they reached a settlement.

I don't think so because it wouldn't say Status:  Pending.

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

None


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on December 04, 2013, 09:07:30 PM
It always showed the trial date and now it says NONE.   I don't know what to think.  Could the case have gotten thrown out?


Maybe they reached a settlement.

I don't think so because it wouldn't say Status:  Pending.

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending
Future Hearings

None
Surely someone "in-the-know" reads here and could clear this up for us!  :smt023


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 05, 2013, 11:55:34 AM
I would think if it was settled out of court or was dismissed that that would have made the news here (or not considering we don't have a dependable news organization to tell us what we need to know). 

Anyone heard anything more?   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
Maybe they just haven't decided upon a next hearing date?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 05, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
Maybe they just haven't decided upon a next hearing date?

Surely Dr. Phil didn't settle with them.  I just can't imagine they would fight them this long and then settle out of court with them. Stranger things have happened.  May just be what you said here-they haven't decided on a hearing date. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on December 13, 2013, 02:40:11 PM
I'm very upset my best friends are all going to Aruba for Christmas I'm so worried I was i was invited and said NO 
They are all going and bringing the kids who are all 21 but still I told them to go to the live feed  cam every day but I forgot what hotel had that can someone help me


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2013, 08:39:53 PM
I'm very upset my best friends are all going to Aruba for Christmas I'm so worried I was i was invited and said NO  
They are all going and bringing the kids who are all 21 but still I told them to go to the live feed  cam every day but I forgot what hotel had that can someone help me


Hi Blonde!  You couldn't pay me to go to that filthy place.

It's the Bucuti Cam at the Bucuti Beach Club and Tara Beach.

http://www.bucuticam.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on December 14, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20131214/Van-der-Sloot-trouwt-volgend-jaar-pas

Google translation

Van der Sloot gets married next year only
Published : 14 Dec 2013 06:18 Last Updated : Dec 14, 2013 06:18

Joran van der Sloot marries likely until early next year with his girlfriend Leydi Figueroa . His lawyer Máximo Altez announced that there was a problem with obtaining the necessary documents , but he expects that everything is settled.
 ::snipping3::
Van der Sloot is in the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima, Peru a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of 21 -year-old Stephany Flores in May 2010 . In July he was also sentenced to this penalty appeal , which he can not proceed further. Peru Altez now trying for the Inter-American Court of Human Rights to get the case.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
The length of the murder sentence surprised me, don't recall seeing one that long. 

http://www.journauxmondiaux.com/Journaux/Amigoe_Willemstad.asp?IDRSS=4857

Google translation:

Suicide in KIA

Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:56:01 +0000

SAN NICOLAS - The detainee A. tonight has committed suicide in his cell correction Institute Aruba (KIA). Sources say that it was hanging. The family is notified of his death, and his body is viewed, or can be, where the man comes from. Transported to the Dominican Republic The deceased was a prison sentence of 40 years for the murder of the son of the owner of a snack truck. The snack truck was attacked, while the son was killed at the hands of A. He'd stuck to 2025.



http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/74147-asesino-di-atraco-riba-truck-papilon-ta-horca-curpa-den-kia

Papiamentu translation:

murderer of atraco on truck papilon is horca curpa in kia

saturday, 14 december 2013 10:41

kia the murderer guerrero cu was sintando one castigo in kia owing to horca his curpa. the is envolvi in the caso of atraco on the truck of papilon at postkantoor caminda he frans owing to lose his life cruelmente. the murderer here was close his only in cel at kia. time cu past owing to comete the atraco here the was envolvi cu more person. is one are cu owing to arrive aruba on one barco because; polizon y succeed descend also. they owing to lever one barco clandestinamente at sand domingo the time ey without know they destiny keriendo cu is merca they're go. the barco owing to happen aruba where they owing to succeed lever ground. owing to comete the atraco y kill the child of the owner in truck. now here guerrero have 40 year y is sintando one castigo till at 2025. is one castigo pisa past owing to achieve for her acto cu past owing to comete. saturday marduga during control owing to come come across cune colga or horca in his cel. the only is in his cel then owing to achieve the espacio necesario for comete suicidio. autoridadnan owing to wordo notifica of the caso here y is investigando. the preso here seems his cabez do not 100% niether. then in some year assure the will have to owing to wordo send bek his country hour cu the end of sit his castigo. now will go haci the tramitenan for notifica the family of the sucedido y see con will haci for send the curpa sand domingo but have to bury here self.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 01:15:38 AM
http://www.smn-news.com/st-maarten-st-martin-news/14014-female-tourist-killed-in-aruba-police-officer-ran-over-tourist-aruba-prison-taken-over-by-prisoners.html

Female Tourist Killed in Aruba --- Police Officer ran over Tourist --- Aruba Prison taken over by Prisoners.

Monday, 09 December 2013 21:50 SMN NEWS TEAM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba:--- A female tourist was crushed to death on Monday by a police motorcycle. According to 24 Hours News in Aruba, the accident occurred just in front of the Customs Office on L.G. Smith Boulevard. 24 Hours News also has a large number of photos of the accident scene on their website. The officer that crushed the female tourist to death while she was crossing the street was removed from the scene by ambulance personnel. It appears as though the victim's brother was also on the scene as an older male tourist was seen sitting on the sidewalk as persons at the scene tried to comfort him while police officers were taking information from him. Other tourists that were in the immediate area seemed devastated by the deadly accident. The officer is also said to be in serious medical condition.

Translated article from 24 Hours News Aruba...
Monday afternoon reports came in of a very serious accident in front of the customs office on LG Smith Blvd. in which an officer of the motorized brigade was involved.  An ambulance was sent out urgently. It turned out that a pick-up had stopped to allow a female tourist to cross and at the same time the officer of the motorized brigade was on his way to an emergency but the woman did not notice. Her brother noticed and stopped but she continued and the officer tried to avoid her but hit a car on the side, then the victim and other cars. The impact was fatal for the woman and the officer also was hurt. The woman was a German tourist visiting the island on the cruise ship Aida Luna sailing under the German flag.  All the competent authorities were informed of the case and went to the site.

Prison Taken Over by Prisoners.

Also in Aruba the prisoners at the prison in Aruba managed to take over the prison operations in Aruba for about one hour on Monday. According to information SMN News received, the prisoners took over when the prison guards held a walk out protesting against certain working conditions. SMN News further learnt that a fight broke out inside the Aruba prison when the prisoners took over. Up to press time it was not clear how many prisoners and or other persons were hurt at the prison in Aruba.
Last Updated ( Monday, 09 December 2013 22:13 ) 



(WARNING:  Graphic images at the link)

http://www.awe24.com/20131209/16610/Dama_turista_a_fayece_den_un_accidente_ora_ela_cruza_net_ora_cu_polis_motoriza

lady tourist owing to fayece in one accidente hour ela cruza just hour cu police motoriza was bayendo cu urgencia

5 day happen come across, 9 of december 2013 13:44

seccion: incidente

photograph of lady tourist owing to fayece in one accidente hour ela cruza just hour cu police motoriza was bayendo cu urgencia video of lady tourist owing to fayece in one accidente hour ela cruza just hour cu police motoriza was bayendo cu urgenciafoto of lady tourist owing to fayece in one accidente hour ela cruza just hour cu police motoriza was bayendo cu urgenciafoto of lady tourist owing to fayece in one accidente hour ela cruza just hour cu police motoriza was bayendo cu urgencia monday afternoon owing to enter informe of one accidente enough earnest fast office of douane at l.g. smith blvd where one oficial of the brigade motoriza self is envolvi, at once owing to dirigi ambulance cu urgencia. owing to come resulta cu one pick-up bayendo pabao owing to stop for let one lady tourist cruza bay south but just at the momentonan ey the oficial of the brigade motoriza was bayendo for one caso cu urgencia but the lady not owing to ripara while the brother of the victima if owing to ripara y owing to stop but the lady owing to follow y the oficial owing to try desvia but owing to strike in near of one car strike the victima y bay strike more car. the impacto was fateful for her lady y the oficial also owing to resulta injury. the lady was one tourist german cu owing to come on the crucero aida month of flag german. all autoridad competente owing to being informa of the caso y owing to bay at the sitio. we will follow informa cu all imagen y video.... come across


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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 01:21:46 AM
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/German+tourist+killed+when+police+motorcycle+making+emergency/9270360/story.html

German tourist killed when hit by police motorcycle making emergency run in Aruba
 
By The Associated Press December 10, 2013

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Media reports in Aruba say a German tourist died from being hit by a police officer on a motorcycle responding to an emergency.

Local media on Tuesday say police identified the woman as 48-year-old Stephanie Schofer. No hometown has been released, but authorities say she was a passenger aboard the Carnival Corp.-owned AIDAluna cruise ship.

Phone calls made by The Associated Press to Aruba's media relations office were not answered.

Police are quoted as saying Schofer was crossing a street Monday when she was hit by a police motorcycle operating with its lights and siren on.

Police High Commissioner Dolfi Richardson tells reporters that he has sent condolences to Schofer's family.

He says the officer involved has been hospitalized but is expected to recover.


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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 01:27:57 AM
http://themorningnewsaruba.com/local/arubas-police-corps-laments-fatal-accident-involving-a-tourist/

(http://themorningnewsaruba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/download12.jpg)

Aruba’s Police Corps laments fatal accident involving a tourist
On 10 Dec, 2013 At 08:33 PM | Categorized As Local | With 0 Comments

Monday afternoon, around 1:45 p.m. a fatal accident occurred in front of the Customs Office on L.G. Smith Boulevard in Oranjestad. A police officer on motorcycle was traveling east at a very high speed, responding to a call, running his siren on the way to an emergency at Aruba’s prison, to warn motorists and pedestrians to clear the road. Unfortunately, a female tourist crossed in front of him, resulting in her immediate death and serious injury to the officer.

It was in the midday hours and the guards at Aruba’s prison in San Nicolas, the KIA, were staging a walkout. The police received information that prisoners were lighting fires and standing on the roof. Patrols were radioed and told to respond with urgency to the KIA to assist the other officers at the site. The traffic was very congested in Oranjestad, which is why the officer choose to use his siren to clear the road and make it possible to reach the site faster.

“I am sorry from the bottom of my heart for the accident that occurred yesterday. It is a proof of how great danger is to police officers when doing their job, not only for themselves but also for others. Our colleague was going in a very high speed with his siren on to fulfill his duties, and found himself involved in an accident which he surely was not prepared for, nor intended,” said Police Commissioner Dolfi Richardson. “To the families of the deceased, our most profound condolences and we ask our good Lord to console them in these difficult moments. We also wish our colleague a speedy recovery.”

The victim of this fatality is Mrs. Stephanie Schofer, born in Germany on November 14th, 1965. Mrs. Schofer 48 yrs. was on Aruba for a few hours aboard the cruise ship Aida Luna. She was accompanied by her partner, who was in shock regarding the horrific accident and received assistance from experts of the Victims Assistance Department of the Police Force.

The case is under investigation by the concerned departments. Witnesses are being interviewed, but no conclusions are being issued until a full inspection of the incident. Authorities feel it is important to find out exactly how this accident occurred before making any decisions or issuing further statements.


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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 01:38:29 AM
More pictures at the link:

From the incident at KIA where the guards staged a walk out and several prisoners were on the roof and supposedly starting fires.

And an innocent 48 year old tourist oblivious to all of it was killed, by an officer on a motorcycle supposedly rushing to the scene at KIA.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20131209/16614/KIA_tabata_pa_su_cuenta_cuidadornan_di_preso_den_huelga_y_presonan_den

(Guessing these are the guards that were supposed to be on duty, out in the parking lot?)

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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 01:58:47 AM
http://stayingsafeabroad.blogspot.com/2013/12/aruba-german-tourist-48-hit-killed-by.html

Aruba: German Tourist, 48, Hit, Killed By a Motorcycle Officer Enroute to an Emergency

According to The Associated Press, media reports in Aruba indicate that  a German tourist, Stephanie Schofer, 48, was a passenger aboard a Carnival Corp.-owned cruise-ship when she was hit by an Aruban motorcycle officer en-route to an emergency call, when she was hit while crossing a street.

At the time of the incident, the officer hit the young woman while his emergency lights and siren were activated.

COMMENT: Police High Commissioner Dolfi Richardson told reporters that he has sent condolences to Schofer's family. Commissioner Richardson reports that the officer was hospitalized, but is expected to recover.

If there is any lesson learned in this case, it is that when we embark on a trip abroad we can never know what events will cross our path while abroad.

As I have often said, and as many of our regular readers know all too well, many foreign travelers who embark on trips abroad can never predict what the outcome of their visit will be.

Thus, I strongly recommend the following:

1. Register your itinerary with your appropriate foreign affairs agency, in this case, Germany, so that the Federal Foreign Office could know of Ms. Schofer's travel plans and assist her family with final arrangements;

2. Subscribe to international medical treatment and evacuation insurance in the event a traveler is injured or becomes ill while abroad. Without such coverage, medical evacuation from a destination back home can be cost-prohibitive, with many such evacuations easily reaching $100,000. For information on such coverage, go to: http://www.insuremytrip.com; and

3. Ensure that an advanced medical directive is carried in your personal belongings in the event you cannot speak for yourself if hospitalized.

Posted by Ed Lee at 12:21 AM


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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/73917-turista-di-barco-a-muri-polisnan-bayendo-kia-cu-urgencia-pa-reforza-coleganan-ta-envolvi-den-accidente-fatal

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(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2013.Dec.09.turistadibarcoamuripolisnanbayendokiacuurgenciapa.Accidente%20fatal%20(31)%20(Medium).JPG)


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Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2013, 05:53:14 PM
http://www.schiffe-und-kreuzfahrten.de/aida-passagier-toedlich-auf-aruba-waehrend-landausflug-verunglueckt/

Google translation:

AIDA passenger died in an accident while on Aruba Shore Excursion

Written by Pascal Wepner 11 December 2013     at: AIDA Cruises

On Monday of this week is a female guest with the AIDA Aida Luna on Caribbean cruise was killed in an accident on Aruba. According to police authorities in Oranjestad, the 48 year old female was crossing a road and was hit by a police motorcycle was driving with flashing lights and alarm signal along the road. The woman was immediately killed by the impact with the policeman, the policeman was injured admitted to a hospital.

Aida Luna is currently on a 14-day cruise through the eastern Caribbean. The AIDA cruise began on Saturday, on Sunday in Oranjestad was the Aida Luna at sea and on Monday in Aruba.

 ::snipping3::

Whether the woman accompanied on one of AIDA or sold shore excursion was traveling is unclear and is not mentioned. Of course it is also possible that she was gone individually to disembark. From AIDA Cruises is no opinion zufinden it.

Aida Luna is located on 14-day cruises to the Eastern Caribbean, the current cruise is started on Saturday in La Romana. Today, Aida Luna is located in Bonaire.



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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 16, 2013, 01:58:07 AM
I hope Joran is remembering being on the island, his freedom, and his life before Natalee ever stepped foot on Aruba and I hope it makes him miserable. I know that guilt would never touch his emotions, but I hope the contrast to his prior life is a constant source of torture for him!


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Post by: IBE on December 16, 2013, 06:06:20 AM
I hope Joran is remembering being on the island, his freedom, and his life before Natalee ever stepped foot on Aruba and I hope it makes him miserable. I know that guilt would never touch his emotions, but I hope the contrast to his prior life is a constant source of torture for him!

I agree!

Hello all! Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year; health, happiness and goodness for Our County.

Haven't been here for awhile; well, see Joran is still in prison. If he can get married there, then I guess there will be a Joran II coming along.

Will he ever get to see our prison here and what the Good Ole Boys are like and think of him?

Keep up the good work, dedication.     ::MonkeyReindeer::  "teddybear2::

Joran, no matter where you are these are looking  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/171854-suspects-human-trafficking-got-passports-back

Suspects human trafficking got passports back   
SUNDAY, 15 DECEMBER 2013 12:12

WILLEMSTAD — The human trafficking case Race Café was adjourned again yesterday and at the request of lawyer Marije Vaders, Mirto Murray and Everett Wilsoe the suspects in this case were given back their passports. The continuation of the case as regards contents is scheduled for March 14th.G.D.O. (51-year old police officer), E.C.P (66) and R.W. (46) are suspected of human trafficking. W. is also to stand trial for possession of arms.

With the pro forma discussion of the case last May the judge released the suspects under certain conditions. Considering that the discussion of the case will not be held in the near future because some of the witnesses to be heard are nowhere to be found, the lawyers requested the judge to drop these conditions. The judge agreed and the suspects were given back their passports.

The witnesses to be heard are abroad but nowhere to be found. Apparently the judge thinks it’s important to hear these witnesses and has adjourned the case again. The Public Prosecutor is to receive support from colleagues from St. Maarten, Columbia and the Dominican Republic to hear these witnesses.

The suspects were arrested for their involvement with human trafficking just like the brains – the 30-year old Columbian female Lida Marcela Muñoz Cuadros, who is wanted by Interpol. The investigation into the human trafficking began in 2009 in the Columbian city Cali where the Columbian police (DIJIN) arrested four suspects of human trafficking two years later. After these arrests the Columbian police contacted the Dutch embassy which requested the local special police team to arrest the members of the network on the island. A trace of e-mails to Cuadros revealed they were on Curaçao.

After the members of the network were identified the local police informed the Columbian authorities in January on the progress of the investigation.

The investigation reveals that Cuadros had fetched women from the Columbian Valle del Cauca to Curaçao to work in the erotic branch. The women were enticed the women with the promise of a better job on Curaçao, but once on the island they were forced to repay their trip and ended up in the prostitution. According to the authorities, Cuadros brought the victims to the bar and suspect E.P. confiscated their documents and personal possession. They were then subjected to physical and psychological abuse and even had to work when they were sick. According to the authorities, the police officer informed the network on time about police operations against human trafficking.


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http://www.amigoe.com/english/171964-dutch-government-to-investigate-human-trafficking-in-own-country

Dutch government to investigate human trafficking in own country   

MONDAY, 16 DECEMBER 2013 09:27

WILLEMSTAD — Instead of conducting an investigation into human trafficking on Curaçao, Aruba, St. Maarten and the BES-islands, the Dutch government should start an investigation in its own country, Minister of Justice, Nelson Navarro, stated in reply to questions from parliamentarian Alex Rosaria (PAIS).Rosaria asked questions following a motion adopted by the Lower Chamber. In that motion the Dutch government is requested to consider if together with the ministries of mentioned islands an independent investigation could be conducted into the nature and extent of human trafficking, forced prostitution and sexual abuse on these islands and into the effectiveness of the current policy.

Rosaria is of the opinion that this motion could have been phrased differently. According to the parliamentarian, the motion should have requested conducting an investigation into human trafficking in the entire Kingdom. The minister shares this opinion. “The problem of human trafficking is much larger in the Netherlands than here. In other words, the Netherlands should tackle the situation there first.”

That human trafficking and modern slavery exists on the island, according to the report Trafficking in Persons, is simply unacceptable and must be combated. Navarro also shares this opinion. According to the minister, in accordance with the consensus statute laws extra attention is given on the island to these problems. A study group is working on this. Navarro will consider Rosaria’s proposal to appoint an officer of Justice who will specifically handle human trafficking matters.

The parliamentarian is concerned about this phenomenon on Curaçao considering two foreigners have committed suicide. “These foreigners were offered a job for example as manager but once on the island they were treated as slaves. They are to work sixteen or eighteen hours a day under inhuman circumstances and are given a very small room to live in.” The foreigners are also forced into prostitution, Rosaria said.

What’s worse is that some people are most certainly aware of such cases but play dumb, the parliamentarian said during the budgetary discussion. He cannot understand how people, who are descents of slaves, but tolerate these practices. “I’m a descent myself and therefore cannot accept modern slavery. Hence my request to the minister to do everything to combat this.”


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Post by: grace-land on December 18, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2nj2::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/12/18/63866.htm

Wednesday, December 18, 2013 Last Update: 10:00 AM PT
No Punitives Over Dr Phil's Tabloid Tactics

LOS ANGELES (CN) - Two brothers' failure to demand a correction from Dr. Phil over secretly videotaped admissions in the Natalee Holloway disappearance doomed their chances of collecting punitive damages, a California appeals court ruled Tuesday.
     Surinam nationals Deepak and Satish Kalpoe sued Dr. Phil McGraw, Peteski Productions and CBS Paramount, who hired private investigator Jamie Skeeters to investigate Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba. Skeeters met with Deepak on the pretense of exonerating him, and secretly recorded their meeting.
     The show aired in September 2005, and the illicit video showed Deepak confirming that he and his brother had had sex with Holloway the night she disappeared. But after the broadcast, Deepak claimed he had not consented to Skeeters recording their meeting, denied that he and his brother had sex with Holloway and accused the producers of manipulating the video to say otherwise.
     Deepak and Satish sued in 2006 for defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress and conspiracy. Years later, Dr. Phil and his producers filed a request to bar the brothers from presenting any evidence relating to general or punitive damages, citing a state law that requires parties seeking damages for defamation from news sources to first demand a correction or be limited to recovering only special damages.
     The brothers admitted they never demanded a correction from Dr. Phil or the producers, and the trial court granted the request in 2012.
     On appeal, the Kalpoes claim that the 1931 law - which was amended in 1949 to include visual broadcasts - only applies to media in the business of breaking news broadcasts, not tabloid exposes of months-old disappearances.
     Writing for a three-judge panel of Second Appellate District, Judge Fred Woods noted that on its face the law in question contains nothing that limits its application to breaking news sources only. And while case-law on the issue draws a distinction between newspapers and magazines, the same cannot be said for radio and television broadcasting.
 ::snipping3::




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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 18, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
Thanks, graceland!  ::MonkeyDance::

 Is that the end of the suit then?


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Post by: klaasend on December 18, 2013, 06:04:13 PM
::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2nj2::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/12/18/63866.htm

Wednesday, December 18, 2013 Last Update: 10:00 AM PT
No Punitives Over Dr Phil's Tabloid Tactics

LOS ANGELES (CN) - Two brothers' failure to demand a correction from Dr. Phil over secretly videotaped admissions in the Natalee Holloway disappearance doomed their chances of collecting punitive damages, a California appeals court ruled Tuesday.
     Surinam nationals Deepak and Satish Kalpoe sued Dr. Phil McGraw, Peteski Productions and CBS Paramount, who hired private investigator Jamie Skeeters to investigate Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba. Skeeters met with Deepak on the pretense of exonerating him, and secretly recorded their meeting.
     The show aired in September 2005, and the illicit video showed Deepak confirming that he and his brother had had sex with Holloway the night she disappeared. But after the broadcast, Deepak claimed he had not consented to Skeeters recording their meeting, denied that he and his brother had sex with Holloway and accused the producers of manipulating the video to say otherwise.
     Deepak and Satish sued in 2006 for defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress and conspiracy. Years later, Dr. Phil and his producers filed a request to bar the brothers from presenting any evidence relating to general or punitive damages, citing a state law that requires parties seeking damages for defamation from news sources to first demand a correction or be limited to recovering only special damages.
     The brothers admitted they never demanded a correction from Dr. Phil or the producers, and the trial court granted the request in 2012.
     On appeal, the Kalpoes claim that the 1931 law - which was amended in 1949 to include visual broadcasts - only applies to media in the business of breaking news broadcasts, not tabloid exposes of months-old disappearances.
     Writing for a three-judge panel of Second Appellate District, Judge Fred Woods noted that on its face the law in question contains nothing that limits its application to breaking news sources only. And while case-law on the issue draws a distinction between newspapers and magazines, the same cannot be said for radio and television broadcasting.
 ::snipping3::




Just saw this!!  ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: klaasend on December 18, 2013, 06:25:41 PM
Thanks, graceland!  ::MonkeyDance::

 Is that the end of the suit then?

I'm not 100% sure but it may very well be! 


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Post by: wreck on December 18, 2013, 08:11:29 PM
 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::  ::MonkeyCool:: Now let's see who pay whose legal bills for this fiasco!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::


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Post by: wreck on December 18, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/12/18/63866.htm

After reading the article, some of our puzzlement is a bit clearer. In 2012, we read here that even if the trial was to be actually heard in 2014 -- the Kalpoes could not present any evidence. Apparently, that is what has been on appeal by the Kalpoes. It would be my bet that the trial theoretically could still go on, but what is the point?!?


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Post by: grace-land on December 18, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2013/kalp121813.htm

Wednesday, December 18, 2013
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Retraction Statute Protects ‘Dr. Phil’ in Defamation Suit—C.A.
Justices Say Law Dating to Early Days of Broadcasting Applies to All Content, Not Just Traditional Newscasts
By KENNETH OFGANG, Staff Writer

A state law barring recovery of non-economic damages in a defamation suit against a or broadcaster if the plaintiff fails to make a timely retraction demand is not limited to defendants engaged in the immediate dissemination of news, the Court of Appeal for this district ruled yesterday

Div. Seven denied a writ of mandate sought by Derek and Satish Kalpoe, who filed suit in 2006 against television host Phillip McGraw—better known as “Dr. Phil”—as well as CBS Paramount and Peteski Productions Inc., which air and produce McGraw’s daytime afternoon talk program. The Kalpoes, who live in Aruba, have been longtime suspects in the disappearance of teenaged American tourist Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island in 2005.

The brothers claim that a private investigator working for the defendants gained their cooperation by pretending to be seeking information demonstrating their innocence, and that the show then broadcast an edited videotape that portrayed them in a false light. It showed Deepak Kalpoe indicating that Holloway had sex with him and his brother.

Deepak Kalpoe subsequently claimed that he had no knowledge of the videotaping, and that when the investigator—Jamie Skeeters, who died in 2007—asked if Holloway and had sex with him and his brother, Kalpoe shook his head and answered in the negative, and that the tape was manipulated for purposes of the broadcast.

Motion in Limine

The brothers brought their writ petition earlier this year after Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William MacLaughlin granted a motion in limine that bars them from recovering general or exemplary damages, pursuant to Civil Code §§ 48a and 48.5.
 ::snipping3::
Attorneys on appeal were Thomas V. Girardi and Graham B. Lippsmith of Girardi Keese and the Chicago firm of Cremer, Spina, Shaughnessy, Jansen & Siegert for the plaintiffs and  William C. Haggerty and Neil S. Tardiff of Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar, along with Charles L. Babcock and Nancy W. Hamilton of Jackson Walker for the defendants.

The case is Kalpoe v. Superior Court (McGraw), B246154.


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Post by: SuzieQ on December 18, 2013, 09:35:37 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeyflag3:: ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2013, 10:16:02 PM
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::monkeywine2:: ::ElfMonkey::



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Post by: wreck on December 18, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
 Only bummer is that we don't get a trial to force testimony!


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Post by: klaasend on December 18, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the Kalpoes heard the decision  ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: grace-land on December 19, 2013, 02:40:43 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/dr-phil-cbs-wont-pay-666878

Dr. Phil, CBS Won't Pay Punitive Damages in Lawsuit Over Natalee Holloway Show
9:19 AM PST 12/19/2013

The story of Natalee Holloway may seem a tabloid relic by now, but Phillip McGraw, CBS Paramount Domestic Television and Peteski Productions are still mired in a 7-year-old lawsuit over a 2005 Dr. Phil episode devoted to the disappearance of the American teenager. The defendants at very least won't face the possibility of punitive damages after a ruling by a California appeals court on Tuesday.
 ::snipping3::
The case is ongoing in a Los Angeles Superior Court and pending at the moment is the defendants' motion for summary judgment. In the meantime, an appeal was pursued regarding to the judge's ruling that barred the Kalpoe brothers from introducing evidence regarding general or punitive damages for failure to demand a correction.

The basis for limiting damages in the absence of a demand for correction is California Civil Code section 48a, enacted in 1931 and amended in 1945. Plaintiffs in libel cases can only collect "special damages" (quantifiable monetary losses) without a correction demand made within 20 days.
::snipping3::



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Post by: klaasend on December 19, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
So the case is still ongoing pending a decision on the Summary Judgement.   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2013, 07:29:26 PM
Document of the recent ruling

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B246154.PDF



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Post by: wreck on December 19, 2013, 07:35:40 PM
So the case is still ongoing pending a decision on the Summary Judgement.   ::MonkeyCool::

... which will determine who pays for the attorney fees! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on December 19, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Document of the recent ruling

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B246154.PDF



I think a material fact is wrong -- or I misunderstood what happened all this time! The court document says Dr. Phil HIRED Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and tape the Kalpoes. It was my impression that Skeeters acted on his own and THEN collaborated with Dr. Phil.  Anyone????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 19, 2013, 09:35:13 PM
Document of the recent ruling

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B246154.PDF



I think a material fact is wrong -- or I misunderstood what happened all this time! The court document says Dr. Phil HIRED Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and tape the Kalpoes. It was my impression that Skeeters acted on his own and THEN collaborated with Dr. Phil.  Anyone????

I believe Dr. Phil hired Skeeters.  I don't think Skeeters acted on his own but I could be wrong too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 19, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
Remember, this was early in the investigation, September 2005.  Dr. Phil was planning a big show on the Natalee Holloway case.  He sends Jamie Skeeters, Harold Copus and John Weeks (I think that was his name) to Aruba to interview and film the suspects and anyone close including Nadira.  All for his show.  So I'm pretty sure it was Dr. Phil who hired Jamie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on December 19, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
Remember, this was early in the investigation, September 2005.  Dr. Phil was planning a big show on the Natalee Holloway case.  He sends Jamie Skeeters, Harold Copus and John Weeks (I think that was his name) to Aruba to interview and film the suspects and anyone close including Nadira.  All for his show.  So I'm pretty sure it was Dr. Phil who hired Jamie.
You are right ..... I was just mistaken!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 19, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
Nevertheless...those dirtbag Kalpoe's admitted having sex with Natalee, according to the Kalpoe's early in the investigation they said all three had sex with Natalee - the only way that would happen is by force. 

They don't deserve anything, they should be in jail just like Sloot.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 20, 2013, 09:49:06 AM
Nevertheless...those dirtbag Kalpoe's admitted having sex with Natalee, according to the Kalpoe's early in the investigation they said all three had sex with Natalee - the only way that would happen is by force. 

They don't deserve anything, they should be in jail just like Sloot.


Totally in agreement with you Klaas. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 20, 2013, 10:11:16 AM
Nevertheless...those dirtbag Kalpoe's admitted having sex with Natalee, according to the Kalpoe's early in the investigation they said all three had sex with Natalee - the only way that would happen is by force. 

They don't deserve anything, they should be in jail just like Sloot.


We all give an AMEN to that!  If I understand the clippings and comments, the case is ongoing and the outcome will determine who pays the lawyers. I'd love it if any future earnings by the Kalpoes could be attached to pay the bill, because I'm sure they don't have the money to pay if the ruling goes against them. I think I'm right in saying that you can't bankrupt out of a court ordered payment.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Nevertheless...those dirtbag Kalpoe's admitted having sex with Natalee, according to the Kalpoe's early in the investigation they said all three had sex with Natalee - the only way that would happen is by force. 

They don't deserve anything, they should be in jail just like Sloot.


We all give an AMEN to that!  If I understand the clippings and comments, the case is ongoing and the outcome will determine who pays the lawyers. I'd love it if any future earnings by the Kalpoes could be attached to pay the bill, because I'm sure they don't have the money to pay if the ruling goes against them. I think I'm right in saying that you can't bankrupt out of a court ordered payment.


Best news I've heard in a long time ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 20, 2013, 11:01:19 PM
Full minute order filed.  Looks like the defendants won 2 out of 3  ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2013, 11:53:23 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 21, 2013, 12:31:25 AM
Yes, Thank you, Klaas!!   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 21, 2013, 09:16:23 AM
Yes, Thank you, Klaas!!   ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

There are times when I've wondered  if I'd  live long enough to see some of this get through the courts.  And I'm not really all that old.    ::boxjoran::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 21, 2013, 12:19:09 PM
Thanks for spreading the word Jossy!   ::justice2nj2::

http://www.diario.aw/2013/12/deepak-y-satish-kalpoe-por-lo-pronto-ta-perde-caso-preliminario-contra-dr-phil/ (http://www.diario.aw/2013/12/deepak-y-satish-kalpoe-por-lo-pronto-ta-perde-caso-preliminario-contra-dr-phil/)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 21, 2013, 12:48:25 PM
Thanks for spreading the word Jossy!   ::justice2nj2::

http://www.diario.aw/2013/12/deepak-y-satish-kalpoe-por-lo-pronto-ta-perde-caso-preliminario-contra-dr-phil/ (http://www.diario.aw/2013/12/deepak-y-satish-kalpoe-por-lo-pronto-ta-perde-caso-preliminario-contra-dr-phil/)

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Ditto!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 21, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
Jossy put it out there on the island. Renho must be in her hidey hole.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on December 21, 2013, 05:57:21 PM
Document of the recent ruling

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B246154.PDF



I think a material fact is wrong -- or I misunderstood what happened all this time! The court document says Dr. Phil HIRED Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and tape the Kalpoes. It was my impression that Skeeters acted on his own and THEN collaborated with Dr. Phil.  Anyone????

I believe Dr. Phil hired Skeeters.  I don't think Skeeters acted on his own but I could be wrong too.


Jamie Skeeters was hired by Dr. Phil as an investigator to travel to Aruba in a search for answers in the Holloway case. During his investigation, Skeeters interviewed suspect Deepak Kalpoe, an interview which he recorded. In the conversation, Kalpoe admits to having sex with Natalee, something he had never admitted in any his multiple meetings with police.


http://voices.yahoo.com/jamie-skeeters-famed-polygraph-expert-being-sued-by-186059.html?cat=7


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 21, 2013, 06:32:33 PM
 
   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::                         ::DancingSantaMonkey1::                     ::DancingSantaMonkey1::                         ::DancingSantaMonkey1::   


Wait!

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Deepak's deposition testimony?   ::MonkeyEek::


I wanted a trial.  I wanted them each on the stand in a court in America.  I wanted it all over the Aruban and American newspapers, so people don't forget.  These boys (now men) were not victims, they were the perps. 

Who is paying their legal bills? 


Aruba...  They still don't care.


   ::justice2nj2::  Innocent people on vacation are still not safe in Aruba.    ::justice2nj2::   



 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2013, 10:18:47 PM
It's a subscriber article in Amigoe, so this is all that's available.

https://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba/posts/10152086881198866

Google translation

Amigoe Aruba shared a link.
9 hours ago

Dr. Phil Kalpoes need to compensate any damage

ORANGE CITY - The brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe receive no compensation in the long-running lawsuit against the popular TV psychologist Phillip McGraw, better known as Dr. Phil. It has a higher court in California decided this week. Reason for


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 22, 2013, 08:21:42 PM



The Kalpoes' could have told the truth instead of seeking money for their crimes.

van der Straaten could have told the truth and prevented this:


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AHATA can suck it.  The Kalpoes can suck it. 

Bring Joran to Alabama on extortion charges as an old man. 

The truth won't go away.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 22, 2013, 10:00:49 PM
Right, Lifesong! Absolutely right! Aruban authorities and cronies in Aruba have bloody hands that witheld justice for Natalee and inflicted murder on Stephany!  The Kalpoe brothers have never paid for Natalee's death or rape and they certainly participated in both.

Joran is away from society only after Aruba allowed him to kill again, and the Kalpoe's have escaped with no justice at all. What an indictment of that Hell Hole Island.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2013, 02:38:33 PM



The Kalpoes' could have told the truth instead of seeking money for their crimes.

van der Straaten could have told the truth and prevented this:


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AHATA can suck it.  The Kalpoes can suck it. 

Bring Joran to Alabama on extortion charges as an old man. 

The truth won't go away.


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2013, 02:39:10 PM
Right, Lifesong! Absolutely right! Aruban authorities and cronies in Aruba have bloody hands that witheld justice for Natalee and inflicted murder on Stephany!  The Kalpoe brothers have never paid for Natalee's death or rape and they certainly participated in both.

Joran is away from society only after Aruba allowed him to kill again, and the Kalpoe's have escaped with no justice at all. What an indictment of that Hell Hole Island.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on December 25, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
The news of Dr Phil's case is a grand Christmas present!

Chuckling to myself, that as we sit here enjoying our Winter and Holidays, it is Summer in the Southern Hemisphere.  May Joarn roast this year in Peru!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 25, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Merry Christmas, Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 26, 2013, 09:57:41 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit_n_4474158.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit_n_4474158.html)

 Dr. Phil Won't Pay In Defamation Case Over Natalee Holloway


Posted: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST  |  Updated: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST

A California appeals court has ruled in favor of talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw, in a defamation lawsuit over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed about seven years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

Judge Fred Woods, writing for a three-judge panel of the Second Appellate District on Dec. 17, cited a California statute in their ruling. The code, the judge wrote, requires parties seeking damages for defamation from news sources to first "demand a correction" or "[be] limited only to recovering special damages."

The statute was important to the ruling because the plaintiffs did not dispute claims by Dr. Phil's attorneys that they never demanded a correction from Dr. Phil or the producers of his show.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William MacLaughlin had cited the same code in his December 2012 ruling that the plaintiffs could not seek punitive or general damages. However, the defense then asked the court to reconsider the ruling. They maintained the retraction rule only applied to media outlets engaged in the "immediate and rapid dissemination of news."

In Tuesday’s written ruling, Woods said the three-judge panel could not conclude that the statute only applies to outlets that engage in covering breaking news.

"The petition is denied [and] each party is to bear its own costs," Woods wrote in his ruling.

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 26, 2013, 05:35:32 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit_n_4474158.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit_n_4474158.html)

 Dr. Phil Won't Pay In Defamation Case Over Natalee Holloway


Posted: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST  |  Updated: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST

A California appeals court has ruled in favor of talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw, in a defamation lawsuit over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed about seven years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

Judge Fred Woods, writing for a three-judge panel of the Second Appellate District on Dec. 17, cited a California statute in their ruling. The code, the judge wrote, requires parties seeking damages for defamation from news sources to first "demand a correction" or "[be] limited only to recovering special damages."

The statute was important to the ruling because the plaintiffs did not dispute claims by Dr. Phil's attorneys that they never demanded a correction from Dr. Phil or the producers of his show.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William MacLaughlin had cited the same code in his December 2012 ruling that the plaintiffs could not seek punitive or general damages. However, the defense then asked the court to reconsider the ruling. They maintained the retraction rule only applied to media outlets engaged in the "immediate and rapid dissemination of news."

In Tuesday’s written ruling, Woods said the three-judge panel could not conclude that the statute only applies to outlets that engage in covering breaking news.

"The petition is denied [and] each party is to bear its own costs," Woods wrote in his ruling.

 ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::MonkeyGavel::  ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on December 28, 2013, 02:21:42 PM
maybe not all -- but, I would guess most of Dr. Phil's legal costs were going to be incurred anyways as it's legal team is on retainer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2013, 04:44:15 PM
maybe not all -- but, I would guess most of Dr. Phil's legal costs were going to be incurred anyways as it's legal team is on retainer.

Absolutely Wreck.  Even at that, CBS and Dr. Phil have deep pockets.  Wonder where the Kalpoe's are going to come up with their part?   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 28, 2013, 04:54:29 PM
maybe not all -- but, I would guess most of Dr. Phil's legal costs were going to be incurred anyways as it's legal team is on retainer.

Absolutely Wreck.  Even at that, CBS and Dr. Phil have deep pockets.  Wonder where the Kalpoe's are going to come up with their part?   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::

You aren't suggesting that Satish hasn't graduated Med school yet, are you?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
Three years later, Poentje Castro's murder still a mystery... 

http://www.notisia360.com/prinsipal/tres-ana-despues-di-likidashon-di-poentje-castro-e-kaso-ta-sigui-un-misterio/

Papiamentu translation:

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23 december 2013
by reagan arroyo

three year after of likidashon of poentje castro, the affair is follow one enigma

willemstad/oranjestad – three year after of his dead, the likidashon of the produktor of declaration of policy of television john anthony “poentje” castro is follow one enigma. on the day there, owing to find the produktor of declaration of policy of television dead in his care for of home. hour with owing to discover the victim already finish past owing to go rest. the affair owing to activate alarm at aruba and in kingdom dutch konsiderando popularidat of the produktor of declaration of policy. owing to form various tim for examine the affair but till today the affair do not dissolve. every times investigadornan was arrive at one sharp dead. the affair still have acuity of outoridatnan of aruba. much spekulashon had with the affair have of aber with his programanan krítiko. another teoria is with is deal of one krímen passionate and even have person is believe with the can have of aber with aktividatnan of low world. poentje castro owing to arise at aruba day 20 of october 1963 and was known for his popular declaration of policy “un day in bida”.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2013, 12:45:50 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/172630-over-25-billion-dollars-channeled-in-ten-years

Over 25 billion dollars channeled in ten years   
THURSDAY, 26 DECEMBER 2013 10:52

ORANJESTAD — An estimated 25 billion dollars on black money has been channeled via Aruba from 2002 up to and including 2011. In 2011 it regards 3.6 billion dollars, according to the report ‘Illicit Financial Flows from Development Countries’ published by Global Financial Integrity (GFI) last week. It regards proceeds from crime, corruption or tax evasion.With this, Aruba is 31st on a list of 144 development countries mostly dealing with illicit financial flows. China, Russia and Mexico lead the list. Of the Caribbean islands only Trinidad and Tobago (28th place) is higher than Aruba. Also the Bahamas score high with a 49th place and approx. 15 billion on black money in a period of ten years. In total these illicit financial flows amounted to almost 950 billion dollars in 2011. A substantial increase compared to 2010 (832 billion dollars). It’s money that doesn’t go to the economy due to tax evasion and white-collar crime.

Economist Dev Kar, author of the report, puts the Aruba figure into perspective slightly. On the site of the Caribisch Netwer, he’s quoted as follows: “The data from tax paradises such as Aruba is estimation. We’re always non-committal because they’re not liberal when it comes to providing information.”

The Amigoe contacted Minister of Finance, Juan David Yrausquin (AVP) for a reaction. However, he prefers to comment later on. Evelyn Wever-Croes, leader of opposition party MEP is somewhat shocked by the amounts mentioned in the report. “But not about the fact itself. It’s evident that this happens. We saw this recently with the millionaire election campaign of AVP.” Croes was head of Tax Inspection until the end of 2001.

“Tax evasion was always at the top of Siad’s agenda but Siad lacked the means and personnel to take action.” With this Croes referred to more staff in the control dept., more trained and experienced inspectors to arrange assessments. “And no interference of ministers in their work. In the past year the government interfered with the functioning of Siad and demanded that steep discounts be given on tax arrears of people who campaigned for them. To do this they even dismissed senior officials who refused to give these discounts. All of this clears the way for tax evasion”, Croes said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 29, 2013, 09:58:33 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: LOVE IT!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478)


Bernard Kerik, the disgraced former NYPD commissioner, accuses attorney Joe Tacopina of fraud, deceit, misrepresentation and list of other legal abuses 
Kerik files complaint before the disciplinary committee of the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division for the First Judicial Department. Tacopina adamantly denies going rogue on his client


By Teri Thompson , Michael O'keeffe AND Nathaniel Vinton / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, December 28, 2013, 9:35 PM

 Long before spearheading Alex Rodriguez’s cutthroat campaign to beat a steroid rap, attorney Joe Tacopina stood on the Bronx courthouse steps beside another fallen New York star — ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik.

It was June 30, 2006, and Kerik had just pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges. The former top cop admitted accepting a $165,000 gift of apartment renovations seven years before from an allegedly mob-tied company seeking to do business with the city.

Tacopina assured his client that his legal troubles were over and he was free to focus on his security consulting business in the Middle East.

Privately, Kerik’s friends say, Tacopina described the violations this way: “Like pissing on the sidewalk.”
Two years later, Kerik was federal inmate No. 84888-054, sitting in a Maryland cell and wondering if the slick defense attorney helped the feds put him behind bars.

Kerik, a 9/11 hero and one of the most decorated police commissioners in New York City history, is now a free man looking for answers.

Kerik, in a bar complaint filed Friday, accused Tacopina of engaging in “conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and/or misrepresentation” — along with a list of explosive legal abuses:

Cooperating with federal prosecutors and revealing information crucial to Kerik’s defense to the government without informing or receiving consent from his client.

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 01:06:58 PM
::MonkeyGavel:: LOVE IT!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478)


Bernard Kerik, the disgraced former NYPD commissioner, accuses attorney Joe Tacopina of fraud, deceit, misrepresentation and list of other legal abuses 
Kerik files complaint before the disciplinary committee of the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division for the First Judicial Department. Tacopina adamantly denies going rogue on his client


By Teri Thompson , Michael O'keeffe AND Nathaniel Vinton / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, December 28, 2013, 9:35 PM

 Long before spearheading Alex Rodriguez’s cutthroat campaign to beat a steroid rap, attorney Joe Tacopina stood on the Bronx courthouse steps beside another fallen New York star — ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik.

It was June 30, 2006, and Kerik had just pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges. The former top cop admitted accepting a $165,000 gift of apartment renovations seven years before from an allegedly mob-tied company seeking to do business with the city.

Tacopina assured his client that his legal troubles were over and he was free to focus on his security consulting business in the Middle East.

Privately, Kerik’s friends say, Tacopina described the violations this way: “Like pissing on the sidewalk.”
Two years later, Kerik was federal inmate No. 84888-054, sitting in a Maryland cell and wondering if the slick defense attorney helped the feds put him behind bars.

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::

Funny, I was just reading the same story ... imagine that, our old pal Tacopina accused of such things. Just makes me say, Things that Make you go hmm ...

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik Accuses Attorney Joe Tacopina of Fraud, Deceit and Misrepresentation … Yes, Same Atty Tacopina Who Defended Joran Van der Sloot

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/12/29/former-nypd-commissioner-bernard-kerik-accuses-attorney-joe-tacopina-of-fraud-deceit-and-misrepresentation-yes-same-atty-tacopina/

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Joe Tacopina fires back and responds to Kerick’s accusations,“This is such bullsh*t, reheated dog food.”

UPDATE I: Misrepresentation, say it isn’t so. But most will remember Joe Tacopina from his days of defending Joran Van der Sloot, the Dutch teen who most all sane thinking people believe had something to do with Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and death in Aruba in 2005. Watch below, yet another blast from the past with Joe Tacopina, Steve Cohen and Red discussing the Natalee Holloway investigation and those last with her, Joran Vander Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on Court TV.

VIDEO
::snipping3::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on December 29, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
Does anyone know the difference between the tourism rate in aruba from 2005 to 2013
Friends are back and safe thank God.
 I must have eaten every cookie in the house I was worried


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on December 29, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
Does anyone know the difference between the tourism rate in aruba from 2005 to 2013
Friends are back and safe thank God.
 I must have eaten every cookie in the house I was worried
All of the cams showed no one there but they said diffrent


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 29, 2013, 05:31:02 PM
Does anyone know the difference between the tourism rate in aruba from 2005 to 2013
Friends are back and safe thank God.
 I must have eaten every cookie in the house I was worried
All of the cams showed no one there but they said diffrent

I'm sure there are all sorts of people in Aruba.  People forget.  Aruba is one of the cheaper destinations which makes it more popular.  Sad but true.

You can look up statistics here.  I'm sure there is a way to check previous years:

http://www.cbs.aw/index.php/statistics/tables-statistics


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 29, 2013, 05:45:29 PM
::MonkeyGavel:: LOVE IT!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bernie-kerik-rips-attorney-joe-tacopina-bar-complaint-article-1.1560478)


Bernard Kerik, the disgraced former NYPD commissioner, accuses attorney Joe Tacopina of fraud, deceit, misrepresentation and list of other legal abuses 
Kerik files complaint before the disciplinary committee of the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division for the First Judicial Department. Tacopina adamantly denies going rogue on his client


By Teri Thompson , Michael O'keeffe AND Nathaniel Vinton / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, December 28, 2013, 9:35 PM

 Long before spearheading Alex Rodriguez’s cutthroat campaign to beat a steroid rap, attorney Joe Tacopina stood on the Bronx courthouse steps beside another fallen New York star — ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik.

It was June 30, 2006, and Kerik had just pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges. The former top cop admitted accepting a $165,000 gift of apartment renovations seven years before from an allegedly mob-tied company seeking to do business with the city.

Tacopina assured his client that his legal troubles were over and he was free to focus on his security consulting business in the Middle East.

Privately, Kerik’s friends say, Tacopina described the violations this way: “Like pissing on the sidewalk.”
Two years later, Kerik was federal inmate No. 84888-054, sitting in a Maryland cell and wondering if the slick defense attorney helped the feds put him behind bars.

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::

Funny, I was just reading the same story ... imagine that, our old pal Tacopina accused of such things. Just makes me say, Things that Make you go hmm ...

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik Accuses Attorney Joe Tacopina of Fraud, Deceit and Misrepresentation … Yes, Same Atty Tacopina Who Defended Joran Van der Sloot

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/12/29/former-nypd-commissioner-bernard-kerik-accuses-attorney-joe-tacopina-of-fraud-deceit-and-misrepresentation-yes-same-atty-tacopina/

Quote
Joe Tacopina fires back and responds to Kerick’s accusations,“This is such bullsh*t, reheated dog food.”

UPDATE I: Misrepresentation, say it isn’t so. But most will remember Joe Tacopina from his days of defending Joran Van der Sloot, the Dutch teen who most all sane thinking people believe had something to do with Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and death in Aruba in 2005. Watch below, yet another blast from the past with Joe Tacopina, Steve Cohen and Red discussing the Natalee Holloway investigation and those last with her, Joran Vander Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on Court TV.

VIDEO
::snipping3::
 

Watching that video brings so much back. Knowing what we do now, and what was to come in Peru, it's just hard to watch and listen to Cohen and Tacky. Cohen, with his slick "face of the investigation" to try to make the case more palatable for tourists, and JT stating matter of factly that if there were evidence, it's almost certainly gone now, seems to come from a confident lawyer representing his guilty client. Aruba's sands will always be tinged with Natalee's blood. The Aruban authorities in power are guilty of obstructing justice for Natalee and guilty of accessory to murder of Stephany! What a slime ball JT is!


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Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 06:15:59 PM
Isn't this rather interesting though that tourism from the United States for 2012 in Aruba is still not back to 2005 and pre-Natalee Holloway disappearance levels of 2004.

Stayover Visitors per Country / Region (In absolute numbers)
http://www.cbs.aw/index.php/component/attachments/download/1469

2004: 535,133                      
2005: 535,448                        
2006: 496,131   
2007: 511,681          
2008: 539,520          
2009: 528,182          
2010: 535,753          
2011: 531,130          
2012: 530,950                     
                        
Looks like the folks in Alabama did not forget, down drastically from 2005.

United States Stayover Visitors by US State   
http://www.cbs.aw/index.php/component/attachments/download/1464      

   
2004: 2,295
2005: 2,173
2012: 1,425
               


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 29, 2013, 11:07:13 PM
Isn't this rather interesting though that tourism from the United States for 2012 in Aruba is still not back to 2005 and pre-Natalee Holloway disappearance levels of 2004.

Stayover Visitors per Country / Region (In absolute numbers)
http://www.cbs.aw/index.php/component/attachments/download/1469

2004: 535,133                      
2005: 535,448                        
2006: 496,131   
2007: 511,681          
2008: 539,520          
2009: 528,182          
2010: 535,753          
2011: 531,130          
2012: 530,950                     
                        
Looks like the folks in Alabama did not forget, down drastically from 2005.

United States Stayover Visitors by US State   
http://www.cbs.aw/index.php/component/attachments/download/1464      

   
2004: 2,295
2005: 2,173
2012: 1,425
               


Thanks, Red! I needed that!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on December 30, 2013, 05:23:59 PM
Thank You I was asked to go but I just couldn't do it I know i would have gotten in trouble and asked too many questions.  Someone on the plane  told them Not to say the anything about Natalee and they would be fine.. See that would not sit well with me I would have gotten followed for asking too many natives things.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2013, 08:17:03 PM
Don't miss tonight's Dana Pretzer Show at 9pm ET!
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2013, 12:21:16 AM
Don't miss tonight's Dana Pretzer Show at 9pm ET!
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Missed the show, but just listened to the podcast!  Great show!  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Red, Dana, Blink, Klaas, our marvelous mods; and all who contribute here at Scared Monkeys! 

Happy New Year to you and yours!  ::monkeywine2::

I'm thankful for all the happy endings in 2013, and am praying for so many that didn't have happy endings to find the answers and justice that the families and loved ones need in the new year.


P. S.  Red, please take care of that cold, I'm worried about you! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 31, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
Happy New Year monkeys! May 2014 be full of welcomed and delightful surprises for us all!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 02, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 03, 2014, 12:49:11 AM
Thank You I was asked to go but I just couldn't do it I know i would have gotten in trouble and asked too many questions.  Someone on the plane  told them Not to say the anything about Natalee and they would be fine.. See that would not sit well with me I would have gotten followed for asking too many natives things.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Not to ask too many questions about Natalee and they would be fine?  Okay............ or what? Asking too many questions about Natalee would cause them NOT to be fine? That reassurance sounds like a threat to me!

I'd be so thrilled to vacation in a spot where my curiosity could cause me harm and a murdered girl rallied all legal authority in the place to assure that she or her family received no truth or help. Where do I buy a ticket?  :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on January 03, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
I know  Not to ask too many questions about Natalee and they would be fine?  Okay............ or what? Asking too many questions about Natalee would cause them NOT to be fine? That reassurance sounds like a threat to me!

I'd be so thrilled to vacation in a spot where my curiosity could cause me harm and a murdered girl rallied all legal authority in the place to assure that she or her family received no truth or help. Where do I buy a ticket?  Rolling Eyes


Also no cops around anywhere no life jackets my friend freaked out what do you mean no life jackets  they said you better find us some  they said why don't you know how to swim and they all laughed and the crew were all drunk  it's a very happy island they said if you go overboard your'll end up in somewhere they all laughed
They said their were a lot  Attractions, Activities ...to keep them out of the water and the weather was beautiful food was good and drinks were free they stayed in a 5 star motel no one bothered them at all and the natives were nice but the Dutch were mean to everyone


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2014, 02:49:31 AM
Valentijn and some friends were involved in a quadracer vs car accident.  Doesn't look like anyone was seriously hurt.

http://www.awe24.com/20140102/16825/Pareha_turista_a_bolter_cu_quadracer_despues_di_a_dal_tras_di_un_auto_na

pareha tourist owing to bolter cu quadracer after of owing to strike behind one car at savaneta near of club arias

2 day happen come across, 2 of january 2014 16:45 seccion: incidente

diahuebs nightfall owing to enter informe of one accidente cu quadracer near of club arias at savaneta, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol abin compronde cu here is deal of one quadracer cu will owing to strike behind the car his fast y owing to bolter. is so cu one car owing to bay stop diripiente y the car his slow owing to haye is brake of golpi y the quadracer owing to come strike his slow. the victimanan is deal here of one pareha tourist cu owing to resulta levemente injury cu several golpi y rasca at they curpa. at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the victimanan.

More pictures at the link

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http://www.instavillage.com/p/625644952960078251_32638299/

valentijnhere
1 day ago
We ride together, we almost died together #badboysforlife

(http://distilleryimage3.s3.amazonaws.com/574719e274e811e390c1121497f657e7_8.jpg)


http://www.instavillage.com/p/625294082762313980_32638299/

valentijnhere
2 days ago
Before we dieded #aruba

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http://www.instavillage.com/p/626112551938396441_32638299/

valentijnhere

#accidentshappen @acopes @adriancardoso @makiwiggins @caylacopes @ericarivietz

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2014, 04:32:05 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/74744-accidente-cu-quadracer-na-savaneta

Papiamentu translation:

two tourist levemente in accidente cu quadracer at savaneta

thursday, 02 january 2014 17:21

diahuebs in oranan of nightfall police owing to wordo send cu urgencia in direccion of savaneta on the caminda principal. here one quadracer will owing to bolter y have person injury. at arrival of police owing to ask presencia of ambulance. the accidente not was only cu one quadracer envolvi but also was have two car envolvi. all three vehiculo envolvi was biniendo for of san nicolas direccion beach. the quadracer was more behind. the caminda was wet. mirando the velocidad high at dado instant the lady manehando the quadracer owing to slip y go strike behind one v-wagen. the impacto was strong y so the lady owing to stay injury. he cu also was on quadracer also owing to achieve sla but much less. the v-wagen after cu the quadracer owing to strike his slow owing to follow go strike in the car his fast. police owing to atende cu esnan envolvi y ambulance owing to take away the pareha for chekeo medico. was one are of tourist on quadracer cu was on one trip bayendo bek for entrega the quadracernan. they was have one guia also but so self one of the brommernan owing to accidenta.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2014.Januari.02.quadracer.IMG_0549.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2014, 10:14:46 AM
Maybe Valentijn's girlfriend will realize Aruba isn't a safe place  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2014, 01:36:21 PM
Short preview video at the link

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/01/natalee_holloways_mother_to_ap.html

Natalee Holloway's mother to appear on talk show about high-profile missing persons cases
on January 06, 2014 at 11:37 AM

(http://media.al.com/spotnews/photo/beth-holloway-on-katiejpg-84a8013ae8679444.jpg)
Beth Holloway, the mother of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway, will appear on an episode of "Katie" on Tuesday, Jan. 7, 2014. (Photo courtesy Disney/ABC

Beth Holloway and other parents whose children have gone missing in recent years will appear on an episode of the daytime talk show "Katie" airing Tuesday.
 ::snipping3::
Natalee, a Mountain Brook High School graduate, disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip to Aruba. The 18-year-old was last seen with Joran van der Sloot, who has since pleaded guilty to killing another woman five years to the day after Natalee's disappearance. Natalee was seen with van der Sloot and two other men as they left a nightclub on the last night of the Mountain Brook students' trip.

Her packed luggage, cell phone and passport were found in her room the next day. Despite months of intensive searches, Natalee's body never was found. Though authorities believed van der Sloot killed Natalee, he was never prosecuted.

Since Natalee's disappearance, Beth Holloway has spoken publicly about personal safety and founded organizations that focus on promoting safe travel and helping families of missing persons.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 07, 2014, 03:42:46 PM
Thanks Grace-Land,watching now.She is an amazing woman,and it breaks my heart watching her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on January 07, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
Thanks Grace-Land,watching now.She is an amazing woman,and it breaks my heart watching her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're welcome, trimm! 
She is amazing...so lovely and gracious with gentle determination to help others.  I admire her greatly!  And Natalee is not forgotten!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
Video of Beth's interview with Katie Couric at the link.

http://katiecouric.com/videos/natalee-holloways-mother-opens-up/

Natalee Holloway’s Mother Opens Up

In 2005 Beth Holloway was thrust into the media spotlight as a tireless advocate for her missing daughter, Natalee, who vanished while vacationing with friends in Aruba. She opens up about her daughter, Joran Van Der Sloot and how she's healing now.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
Video of Beth's interview with Katie Couric at the link.

http://katiecouric.com/videos/natalee-holloways-mother-opens-up/

Natalee Holloway’s Mother Opens Up

In 2005 Beth Holloway was thrust into the media spotlight as a tireless advocate for her missing daughter, Natalee, who vanished while vacationing with friends in Aruba. She opens up about her daughter, Joran Van Der Sloot and how she's healing now.



Beth Holloway just slays me. I have so much admiration and respect for her. She fought smartly, tirelessly, and with determination befitting a warrior. Beth Holloway, to me, embodies what it is to be a Mother....... no, she embodies all that a Mother is supposed to be. May God Bless and keep her!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
Video of Beth's interview with Katie Couric at the link.

http://katiecouric.com/videos/natalee-holloways-mother-opens-up/

Natalee Holloway’s Mother Opens Up

In 2005 Beth Holloway was thrust into the media spotlight as a tireless advocate for her missing daughter, Natalee, who vanished while vacationing with friends in Aruba. She opens up about her daughter, Joran Van Der Sloot and how she's healing now.



Beth Holloway just slays me. I have so much admiration and respect for her. She fought smartly, tirelessly, and with determination befitting a warrior. Beth Holloway, to me, embodies what it is to be a Mother....... no, she embodies all that a Mother is supposed to be. May God Bless and keep her!

 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 11, 2014, 06:57:33 PM
Hi All-

Been away so long and to return and see that video just brings me to tears. Natalee was in my son's class at Alabama and he is living life to the fullest ..........just so poignant it brings me to tears all over again for Beth. Her words and message in that interview also prove her goodness and wisdom. How any of Aruba could have attacked and slandered Beth or Natalee as they did, such a loving mother & daughter and kind person - is beyond me. Aruba has no conscience, forever and ever I could and would never travel there or allow anyone I care for to go there either. Soul-less island.

Hope all of you are well and that your families are warm and safe. Best always to each of you...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
Hi All-

Been away so long and to return and see that video just brings me to tears. Natalee was in my son's class at Alabama and he is living life to the fullest ..........just so poignant it brings me to tears all over again for Beth. Her words and message in that interview also prove her goodness and wisdom. How any of Aruba could have attacked and slandered Beth or Natalee as they did, such a loving mother & daughter and kind person - is beyond me. Aruba has no conscience, forever and ever I could and would never travel there or allow anyone I care for to go there either. Soul-less island.

Hope all of you are well and that your families are warm and safe. Best always to each of you...

 ::MonkeyHeart::   ::rhino::   ::buzzbee3::   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 11, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
 ::MonkeyHeart:: Back atcha Miss Muffy - I love your signature bee  ::buzzbee3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2014, 12:16:44 AM
Hi All-

Been away so long and to return and see that video just brings me to tears. Natalee was in my son's class at Alabama and he is living life to the fullest ..........just so poignant it brings me to tears all over again for Beth. Her words and message in that interview also prove her goodness and wisdom. How any of Aruba could have attacked and slandered Beth or Natalee as they did, such a loving mother & daughter and kind person - is beyond me. Aruba has no conscience, forever and ever I could and would never travel there or allow anyone I care for to go there either. Soul-less island.

Hope all of you are well and that your families are warm and safe. Best always to each of you...

Well said, Nonesuche!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2014, 11:18:43 PM
Hi All-

Been away so long and to return and see that video just brings me to tears. Natalee was in my son's class at Alabama and he is living life to the fullest ..........just so poignant it brings me to tears all over again for Beth. Her words and message in that interview also prove her goodness and wisdom. How any of Aruba could have attacked and slandered Beth or Natalee as they did, such a loving mother & daughter and kind person - is beyond me. Aruba has no conscience, forever and ever I could and would never travel there or allow anyone I care for to go there either. Soul-less island.

Hope all of you are well and that your families are warm and safe. Best always to each of you...

 ::rhino::

Well said...I totally agree!   

Hope you and yours are well too, Nonesuche.  Good to see you!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2014, 12:04:49 AM
Carnival time on One Happy Island...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=5

Google translation:

"Webb brought violence to life
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15, 2014 08:18
ORANGE CITY - Sherman Alexander Webb (24) deceased from a massive brain hemorrhage caused by violence. This is clear from the autopsy that the Public Prosecutor (OM) have performed yesterday ...
Read more ...

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

Police are looking for witnesses Torch Murder
TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 2014 08:32
ORANGE CITY - Police are looking for people who have seen in the night from Saturday to Sunday or who know what happened to Sherman Alexander Webb (24). It was about half past one night, ...
Read more ...

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=35

Death casts dark shadow over Torch
MONDAY, JANUARY 13, 2014 09:04
ORANGE CITY - Ten people were arrested last Saturday during the Torch Parade. Two of them were fixed this morning. Was more than 7,000 in total ...

http://www.awe24.com/16911

Papiamentu translation:

young victima of maltrato earnest near of nikky beach sherman alexander webb owing to fayece at hospital
3 day happen come across, 13 of january 2014 10:10

seccion: incidente

photograph of young victima of maltrato earnest near of nikky beach sherman alexander webb owing to fayece at hospital pepsi - live for now monday morning for 10or y 5 doctor owing to constata dead of the victima of maltrato earnest near nikky beach esta sherman alexander webb naci at aruba 17 august 1989 y cu was live at sabna broom. at famianan of the fayecido is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2014, 12:37:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on January 26, 2014, 11:04:20 PM
I think this is longest time without a post here since day one --- just wanted to let everyone here know that we check here and care each and every day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/01/27/tacopina-slaps-bernie-kerik-with-5m-defamation-suit/

Tacopina slaps Bernie Kerik with $5M defamation suit

By Jeane MacIntosh

January 27, 2014 | 5:54pm

High-profile attorney Joe Tacopina has filed a $5 million defamation suit against Bernard Kerik, claiming the convicted felon and former NYPD commissioner fed “outrageous” lies to two New York reporters – and then tried to cover his tracks by filing an ethics complaint against the lawyer.

In papers filed Monday in Manhattan Supreme Court, Tacopina claims Kerik — whom he represented in criminal corruption cases in 2006 and 2007 – participated in an orchestrated “hit piece” about Tacopina, falsely claiming to the reporters that, among other things, Tacopina knowingly allowed Kerik to perjure himself in a 2006 Bronx guilty plea, and also gave privileged information about his then-client to the feds in 2007.

The defamation suit alleges that Daily News reporters Michael O’Keeffe and Nathaniel Vinton were “pursuing a crusade against Rodriguez” and – wanting to “undermine Tacopina’s reputation and credibility” – approached “admitted liar and cheat” Kerik for information and “found a willing partner” to help them “pull it off.”

“Kerik knowingly told O’Keeffe and Vinton lie after lie about Tacopina,” the suit claims.

Tacopina is not suing the reporters.

But the scribes, the lawsuit claims, “knew or should have known the internet-available docket from Kerik’s criminal case contains a formal decision from [a federal judge] unequivocally finding this allegation to be false.”

Tacopina represented shamed Yankee Alex Rodriguez in his recent failed bid to get his Major League Baseball doping ban overturned.

 ::snipping3::

Tacopina’s roster of clients has included Michael Jackson, Lilo Brancato and Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man suspected in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

O”Keeffe and Vinton did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 27, 2014, 07:56:22 PM
I think this is longest time without a post here since day one --- just wanted to let everyone here know that we check here and care each and every day!  ::MonkeyCool::

Absolutely!!   :smt045 :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on January 27, 2014, 10:17:45 PM
Looks like another possible suicide in Aruba:

http://www.notisia360.com/karibe-hulandes/aruba/te-ainda-homber-hana-morto-na-san-nicolas-identifika/?utm_source=arubanews&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.notisia360.com/karibe-hulandes/aruba/te-ainda-homber-hana-morto-na-san-nicolas-identifika/?utm_source=arubanews&utm_medium=twitter)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Suicide012714_zps6945bbbd.jpg)

Translation:

oranjestad, aruba – polisnan of san nicolas till still is look for for identify the body without life with owing to find week happen at san nicolas. the person owing to die one dead natural if. hour owing to find the body at height of the food center, investigation owing to prove with already finish the will had two week dead throw in forest. however the body already finish was in estado of deskomposishon doctor can owing to throw up out with siguridat with was one dead natural. is deal of one fellow cabbage dark, cable krùl, beard grey, of age medio, estatura of 1,66 m and thin. the was dress with one trouser kaki, shirt sleeve long strepia and with shoe black. kalke person with have tep can calling 11141.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: can on January 29, 2014, 04:55:33 AM
I think this is longest time without a post here since day one --- just wanted to let everyone here know that we check here and care each and every day!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on January 29, 2014, 06:11:05 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2014, 12:36:33 PM
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/944/Celebrities/article/detail/1783983/2014/01/30/Peter-R-de-Vries-wordt-spelersmakelaar.dhtml

Google translation

Peter R. de Vries is players'
01/30/14 - 10:30

UPDATE The famous Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries (57 ) goes to work as a players' agent . Together with his son Royce and Ajax icon Piet Keizer he starts in Amsterdam PR agency Sports Management bv The office will focus on the supervision of professional athletes - especially football - at the conclusion of contracts and the realization of transfers and total career . Peter de Vries and Royce have passed the KNVB / FIFA players' exam taken at the end of 2013 and have the required paperwork .

De Vries made ​​his name with his coverage in high-profile cases like the kidnapping of beer tycoon Freddy Heineken , and the murder of Natalee Holloway , which he blamed Sloot . Joran van der  ::snipping3::

The Dutchman says he can imagine that this step for many is a surprise . "But people who know me well , know that I am 40 years more than fascinated by sports crime," says De Vries . "I really enjoy that I have the skills and experience I have gained especially in this sport in recent decades can lose , in close collaboration with a celebrity like Piet Keizer and my son , who is a lawyer and has focused his studies on this . "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 03, 2014, 01:19:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANIE FLORES

GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOD BLESS

KTF

GO SEAHAWKS!

12TH MAN!


  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOD BLESS

KTF

GO SEAHAWKS!

12TH MAN!


  ::MonkeyCool::
*Stephany...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 06, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-van-der-sloot-krijgt-tweeling

Google translation

3 hours 15 minutes ago
Joran van der Sloot gets twins

He is in a prison in Peru for murder , but still expect Joran van der Sloot in September this year to become a father . He and his fiancée Leidy Figueroa can not on their luck.

RTL Boulevard had brief contact with Joran who claimed to be . Overjoyed Leidy confirms that she is pregnant with the famous Dutch prisoner in the world . Twins still . Rather , they would already have a child of Joran , but they say nothing about . Well they are certainly pregnant with Joran .

Who would have thought after he was sentenced in 2010 to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores ? In Piedras Gordas prison in Lima he met the 24 -year-old Leidy Figueroa . With her he had a relationship.  The two still want to get married this year, especially now that posterity is coming.

Leidy says RTL Boulevard at how she recently discovered that she was pregnant : " I felt very bad. I had vomiting , nausea , and almost fainted . I went to the doctor and have a test and an ultrasound and found that I was six weeks pregnant . " On paper that RTL Boulevard has been seen , it can be seen that the pregnancy test was indeed positive .
 ::snipping3::
The Peruvian children will definitely go tell about the past of Joran . Except that the Stephany Flores killed , he is still the main suspect in the disappearance case of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba . " Joran will always tell the truth to his children. They will never condemn their parents . The one who judges is God. "

Leidy says that children can look up later Joran in prison regularly. " He wants to be a good father , even if he comes out of prison . In March, he began a study of international relations at the University of Peru . He can do from prison . In five years , he may have his diploma . He needs to think about his future , "said Joran fiancé.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on February 06, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Joran's future is bright.
He will be getting out of Peru prison in 27 years, then he'll fly to America where he will stand trial and settle in for a few more years in prison.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 07, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3695474/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-ontkent-nieuws-tweeling.html

Google translation

published:    February 7, 2014 07:37 
Last update: February 7, 2014 07:37

Lawyer Joran van der Sloot denies news of twins

Joran van der Sloot's girlfriend Leidy Figueroa is pregnant with twins. His lawyer Máximo Altez announced that it comes to gossip and that neither Van der Sloot nor his girlfriend have done here. Statements

RTL Boulevard reported Thursday that Figueroa would be pregnant with twins. She would give birth in September. "It's all lies. I just talked with Leidy and she says that it is gossip," said Altez.

Altez confirms that the wedding plans of Van der Sloot and Figueroa are still there. The two might switch. Tie the knot in the spring Figueroa already has a son, in their own words of someone else.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2014, 06:44:56 PM
All just a ploy to drum up news with Joran's name.  Anything to make money.  Probably Anita's doing. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2014, 07:18:27 PM
All just a ploy to drum up news with Joran's name.  Anything to make money.  Probably Anita's doing. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 07, 2014, 07:39:10 PM
All just a ploy to drum up news with Joran's name.  Anything to make money.  Probably Anita's doing. 

 ::rhino::

 ::rhino::  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2014, 09:31:58 AM
All just a ploy to drum up news with Joran's name.  Anything to make money.  Probably Anita's doing. 

 ::rhino::

 ::rhino::  ::rhino::


 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2014, 02:50:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::

 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on February 10, 2014, 04:07:41 PM
All just a ploy to drum up news with Joran's name.  Anything to make money.  Probably Anita's doing. 

 ::rhino::

 ::rhino::  ::rhino::


 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 10, 2014, 05:38:36 PM
At the link, in Dutch, "Natalee Holloway - case review"

http://www.crimesite.nl/cold-cases/natalee-holloway/28029-engelse-versie-dossier-holloway

Google translation

English version 'Dossier Holloway '
Cold Cases - Natalee Holloway
Published on Monday, February 10, 2014 12:09

(http://www.crimesite.nl/images/stories/thehollowayfiles.jpg)

Of the book and the documentary 'Dossier Holloway " an English-language edition was published today. In ' The Holloway Files' Crime Site editors Wim van de Pol and Vincent Verweij treat the controversial 2005 disappearance of American schoolgirl Natalee Holloway in Aruba . The English edition is published as an e -book on Amazon and soon in Apple's iBookstore . The documentary can be seen online for free.

In ' File Holloway , "which came out late last year , was among other things revealed how a man who probably had to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , a miss by the police and immigration authorities in Aruba , fled to South America . Nine days before the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , the American tourist Tracey Allan tried to rape on the beach at the Fishermen 's Huts the man. That was the exact spot where Joran van der Sloot said to have left behind . Natalee The rapist sought was arrested in 2006 by accident due to an expired visa , but not recognized by the police of the composite , which was created earlier. A moment later he was released . When the police are subsequently wanted to arrest him, he seemed to have fled.

sexfeest
In the book and the documentary was verderonthuld the main suspects in the Holloway case , Joran van der Sloot and participated in a sex party with tourists in a hotel . Deepak Kalpoe , a few months before her disappearance In addition, Van der Sloot was filming an underage girl. Joran hired along with a group of friends during the Easter holidays of 2005, three days a room at the Mill Hotel in Aruba . At one point there were two American tourists, and a Colombian girl brought to the room, with whom contact was made at Carlos' n Charlies , the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance.
 ::snipping3::
--------------------
The 40-minute documentary, in English, is at the link below.  Warning:  JR is in the documentary.

http://www.thehollowayfiles.com/

Natalee Holloway vanished on Aruba in 2005 and was never found. In this new documentary, two investigative reporters try to find out what happened to her. They obtained the complete police files of the case. The documentary shows four possible scenarios of what may have happened to Natalee and who may have been responsible.

The two reporters also wrote the book, 'The Holloway Files', which is available from this site. The book contains hundreds of original police files, with an analysis by the authors. New evidence, new suspects and unprecedented insights into the missing person case of the century.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 10, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
On YouTube--same documentary video as above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmuvK60wHXE

The Natalee Holloway Files - secrets from the police archives
Published on Feb 7, 2014 
http://www.thehollowayfiles.com

Natalee Holloway vanished on Aruba in 2005 and was never found. In this new documentary, two investigative reporters try to find out what happened to her. They obtained the complete police files of the case.

The two journalists also wrote a book, 'The Holloway Files', which is now available from http://www.thehollowayfiles.com

Natalee Holloway disappeared on the tropical island paradise of Aruba in 2005 and no trace of her was ever found. Now, for the first time, two renowned investigative journalists have managed to lay their hands on the secret police files of the Holloway case. They ask intriguing questions and provide disconcerting answers to one of the most evocative, baffling, and haunting crime mysteries of this century.

Significant and extraordinary excerpts from the official police dossier are included in this book. Read the actual official witness statements from the dozens of people involved; see transcripts of tapped phone conversations, and read the actual police interrogations of the infamous suspects.

This book and documentary exposes the bare facts of the Holloway case like never before. It gives the reader the sensation of sitting right there in the interrogation room with the detectives. For the first time, all the actual facts of the Holloway case are brought into the open, stripped of all media speculation and fanfare. The authors show that irreparable blunders were made by the Aruban police during the investigation. They also highlight the dubious alibis of the suspects in this case. Based on the authentic police files, they pose intriguing questions about facts that were insufficiently investigated at the time, such as: Whose male DNA was left on Natalee's toothbrush? Who entered Natalee's hotel room several times on the night that she disappeared? Why is it just assumed that Natalee was left on the beach - never to be seen again? Embark on a fascinating journey of deceit and intrigue, as you discover one of the most talked-about and perplexing unsolved mysteries of our time.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2014, 02:36:14 AM
Joran's future is bright.
He will be getting out of Peru prison in 27 years, then he'll fly to America where he will stand trial and settle in for a few more years in prison.

I'm torn. Part of me wants him to do his 27 years in Peru and then come here to face prison again. Another part of me just wants justice to be extracted from him in that Peruvian Hell Hole, and he only leaves in a box.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on February 17, 2014, 04:05:08 PM
I knew he hadn't been in the news enough lately and he'd find some way to get attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp_JrN2cyKA

http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/02/17/puzzling-video-joran-van-der-sloot-appears-youtube/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2014, 05:56:21 PM
I knew he hadn't been in the news enough lately and he'd find some way to get attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp_JrN2cyKA

http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/02/17/puzzling-video-joran-van-der-sloot-appears-youtube/



Yep exactly.  Any time you hear his name in the news it's because that's exactly what he wants. 

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SlootYOutube_zpsd82c6308.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2014, 06:22:28 PM
I knew he hadn't been in the news enough lately and he'd find some way to get attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp_JrN2cyKA

http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/02/17/puzzling-video-joran-van-der-sloot-appears-youtube/



Yep exactly.  Any time you hear his name in the news it's because that's exactly what he wants. 

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SlootYOutube_zpsd82c6308.jpg)


I think stuff like this is a money maker for not only Joran, but for the media and others.  Anything to make a buck.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 17, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
How does this "murderer" get by with this crap?  He is in prison for MURDER and shouldn't be allowed to make a you tube (unless he wants to tell the world what he did with Natalee).


It just burns me to no end that they allow him to put his face in the media.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 17, 2014, 09:31:37 PM
How does this "murderer" get by with this crap?  He is in prison for MURDER and shouldn't be allowed to make a you tube (unless he wants to tell the world what he did with Natalee).


It just burns me to no end that they allow him to put his face in the media.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 18, 2014, 02:20:04 AM
How does this "murderer" get by with this crap?  He is in prison for MURDER and shouldn't be allowed to make a you tube (unless he wants to tell the world what he did with Natalee).


It just burns me to no end that they allow him to put his face in the media.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


 ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 18, 2014, 02:20:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on February 18, 2014, 09:56:30 PM
A comment from Peter about Joran and the video.  ::MonkeyCool::
Edited by me

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/entertainment/peter-r-de-vries-haalt-uit-naar-joran

Google translation

(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/landscape/public/content/images/2014/02/18/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-18%20at%2011.54.41%20PM_0.png?itok=ubIQTzmP)

3 hours 42 minutes ago
Peter R. de Vries has to Joran

 ::snipping3:: Joran surfaced in a movie would be the medium Robbert van den Broeke have appeared in his cell. Joran says he has received. Intense feeling of love

Peter R. de Vries wants to know. RTL Late Night crime reporter says: "I think you need to be able to call this b******t no psychic Robbert ten Broeke is unmasked as an imposter in his genre.."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on February 19, 2014, 12:44:18 AM
A comment from Peter about Joran and the video.  ::MonkeyCool::
Edited by me

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/entertainment/peter-r-de-vries-haalt-uit-naar-joran

Google translation

(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/landscape/public/content/images/2014/02/18/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-18%20at%2011.54.41%20PM_0.png?itok=ubIQTzmP)

3 hours 42 minutes ago
Peter R. de Vries has to Joran

 ::snipping3:: Joran surfaced in a movie would be the medium Robbert van den Broeke have appeared in his cell. Joran says he has received. Intense feeling of love

Peter R. de Vries wants to know. RTL Late Night crime reporter says: "I think you need to be able to call this b******t no psychic Robbert ten Broeke is unmasked as an imposter in his genre.."


I didn't even need the translator for that one!   ::MonkeyDevil::

BS is right imo, I was really hoping Joran may have been having a near death experience.   ::boxjoran::

Intense feeling of L-O-V-E...maybe that's why his cellmates gave him the new football shirt to wear in his cellphone video telling everyone about it.  Maybe they gave him the pretty blue blanket to hang up behind him too? 

Oh what a night?    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::monkeydust::

http://trome.pe/actualidad/1689299/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-envio-video-aseguro-tener-experiencias-sobrenaturales

Google translation:

Quote
The confessed murderer of Stephany Flores reappeared wearing a shirt of Universitario de Deportes that was a gift from his cellmates 'Payet Cholo' and 'Crazy David' .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2014, 11:19:01 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20140224/17416/Bouncer_di_nightclub_a_dal_studiante_stranhero_atendiendo_school_na_Aruba_un
 (http://www.awe24.com/20140224/17416/Bouncer_di_nightclub_a_dal_studiante_stranhero_atendiendo_school_na_Aruba_un)
bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes come across

5 dia pasa , 24 di februari 2014 01:54

come across photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes monday madruga owing to enter informe of one caso earnest of maltrato at parkinglot of the hotzone near of the hotelnan, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol abin compronde cu here is deal of one bouncer cu owing to arrive strike one student foreigner one sun fist cu owing to mande vloer, in the caida here the victima will owing to achieve one sla much earnest behind his cabez, police owing to notice cu the victima was inconciente y do not reacciona y owing to ask the ambulance cu sumo urgencia. at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the victima y owing to hibe cu much pura for hospital where cu eynan owing to trate y is teme for his life. police owing to detene the bouncer cu owing to strike the victima. come across

From comments:

Glenn Yarzagaray · Top Commenter · MTS
bon image pa nos turismo spera esaki no bira ala Nathalie Holloway part 2





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
He died.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20140224/17416/Bouncer_di_nightclub_a_dal_studiante_stranhero_atendiendo_school_na_Aruba_un
 (http://www.awe24.com/20140224/17416/Bouncer_di_nightclub_a_dal_studiante_stranhero_atendiendo_school_na_Aruba_un)
bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes come across

5 dia pasa , 24 di februari 2014 01:54

come across photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes photograph of bouncer of nightclub owing to strike student foreigner atendiendo school at aruba one fist cu owing to mande vloer y strike cabes monday madruga owing to enter informe of one caso earnest of maltrato at parkinglot of the hotzone near of the hotelnan, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol abin compronde cu here is deal of one bouncer cu owing to arrive strike one student foreigner one sun fist cu owing to mande vloer, in the caida here the victima will owing to achieve one sla much earnest behind his cabez, police owing to notice cu the victima was inconciente y do not reacciona y owing to ask the ambulance cu sumo urgencia. at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the victima y owing to hibe cu much pura for hospital where cu eynan owing to trate y is teme for his life. police owing to detene the bouncer cu owing to strike the victima. come across

From comments:

Glenn Yarzagaray · Top Commenter · MTS
bon image pa nos turismo spera esaki no bira ala Nathalie Holloway part 2


http://amigoe.com/english/177608-minister-of-justice-advocates-compulsory-training-for-bouncers-

Minister of Justice advocates compulsory training for bouncers          
Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:53

ORANJESTAD — Minister of Justice, Arthur Dowers (AVP), wants bounders to follow a certain training in the future before they deployed with companies. He thinks the guards should stay level-headed and respond correctly in stress situations.

With this the minister refers to the incident at night club Gusto last weekend where a 21-year old American student died after being assaulted by a bouncer. The minister and the police are already discussing the compulsory training. The police are to inform companies accordingly later on. “Unfortunately, we cannot control everything”, he emphasized. All citizens and companies are also to assume their responsibility. He emphasized that such incidents can never be avoided entirely.

Evil tendency

The minister of Justice also expressed his sympathy to the next-of-kin. He spoke of an evil tendency not only on Aruba but worldwide that more and more violence is seen in the society. The minister pointed out once again that the new Penal Code was approved only a few weeks ago in which the maximum penalty for a ‘simple assault’ was increased. “A clear sign that we don’t tolerate battery of persons in our country.” Dowers doesn’t understand why people simply hit each other. “We were brought up differently”, he said. However, the minister believes the use of alcohol and drugs for example plays a role.

In a short press report the night club stated yesterday afternoon to regret the death of the student and expressed its sympathy to his family. Gusto did not comment on the incident. “Justice is investing the actual fact of the incident. We find it important not to comment while the investigation is going on.”

In the night of Sunday to Monday medicines student H. was assaulted by a guard at the door of night club Gusto. According to the guard, he was being a nuisance, was thrown out of the night club and had tried to go back in. He was subsequently shoved or hit and passed out on the ground. Friends and fellow students from Arueus had then taken the victim to their car parked nearby where he was picked up later by an ambulance. The victim was admitted in critical condition but succumbed to his injures the following day. The guard was arrested after the incident and is suspected of assault resulting in death.


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Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
Guess this tells us where this one's going...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Video at the link:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ec_1393345802

Bouncer kills student with a single punch!?

A 21 y/o American student who was studying for a medical degree in Aruba, was knocked unconscious by a single punch by a nightclub's bouncer.

 ::snipping3::

It was first claimed that the bouncer punched the student to a state of coma, who then died the following day.

The next day, on the 25th more information came out saying that after the bouncer punched the student, the student's friends helped him get in the car, the friends claimed that they were "doctors" and said they could support the student till the ambulance gets there. As they were waiting the student woke up and wanted to barf, they then tried to turn him sideways so he can do so, but the friends ended up letting him fall on his head on the concrete floor.

The student died on the 25th of February.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ec_1393345802#qGdMLWoAmBimW0gh.99


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 12:22:49 PM
http://www.barstoolsports.com/m/philly/super-page/this-is-what-it-looks-like-to-literally-kill-someone-with-one-punch/

From the comments:


 ::snipping3::

by everythingstanks on February 25, 2014 at 5:08 pm

A little different situation than Natalie Halloway but same result. Stay out of Aruba I guess


 ::snipping3::

by redseven on February 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm

Aruba, where Americans go to die


 ::snipping3::

by colleen_16 on February 26, 2014 at 9:28 am

I’m from Boston but am currently on vacation in Aruba and was at that nightclub that same night. That should have never happened. Last night we got the chance to meet some of the victims close family and friends and it was do heart wrenching seeing them mourn the loss of a loved one who was taken away by such a senseless act.

 ::snipping3::

by arubanojustice on February 27, 2014 at 4:47 pm

Fellow students claim he wanted to go back in to grab his credit card. He instead got a blow to the temple while standing there defenseless with his arms behind his back.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 12:28:06 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/peter-blanken-confirma-na-canal-22-e-prome-golpi-y-e-prome-caida-tabata-mortal-pa-e-studiante-bouncer-lo-wordo-acusa/

Papiamentu translation:

peter blanken owing to confirma at canal 22; the first golpi y the first caida was deadly for her studiante… bouncer will wordo acusa!

written by bulletin on february 26, 2014.

posted in local

tuesday afternoon peter blanken owing to give one declaracion at canal 22, where the is informa on the caso of taste. the fiscal parent owing to confirma cu the first golpi cu the first caida is thing owing to ocaciona the dead of the student. of acuerdo cu fountain anonimo, we medio owing to wordo informa cu autopsia owing to give the informacion here, esta cu the first golpi owing to cause one derame celabral, for cual owing to cuminza propaga some poco, in cuestion of some minuut, till hour cu the young owing to feel the first sacamento. have tell cu the young owing to cay for of two ves, but the caida for of two ves is netamente hour the young student owing to cuminza saca. the sacamento is signal end cu his sistema respiratorio owing to wordo afecta, cual owing to cause cu rapidemente ela bay off, enter coma y after fayece celebralmente. had one discucion pisa, where cu wanted owing to libera the bouncer of the dead here, but the autopsia is show preciso is kico owing to happen. the bouncer will can achieve not less cu 9 anja of jail for her acto here. without doubt the caso here is place all light now on all bouncer of nightclub y will can wait for cu parliament of aruba will come cu ley, for so can screen bouncers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 12:35:20 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/castigo-pa-bouncer-cu-a-golpea-studiante-mata-por-core-den-9-anja/

Papiamentu translation:

castigo for bouncer cu owing to golpea student kill can core in 9 anja

written by bulletin on february 25, 2014.

posted in local

for thing is deal the caso of the student cu owing to fayece today marduga, the student is s.s.h., naci 25 of december 1992 at merca. today patologo will look at the curpa. mayan is voorgeleiding at corte. the sospechoso is r.j.v., 1986, aruba. the bouncer is acusa of maltrato cu dead because; consecuencia, on cual have one maximo of 9 year, according we codico penal new. this is informacionnan basico cu we redaccion owing to succeed achieve of ministerio publico. come across


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Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2014, 12:51:16 PM
So the bouncer R.J.V will likely only get 9 years in jail if convicted  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
So the bouncer R.J.V will likely only get 9 years in jail if convicted  ::MonkeyNoNo::

That's my understanding.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 11:41:48 AM
Early article that gives the Bouncer's last name...

:rendeer:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/77155-maltrato-serio-na-gusto-ta-conduci-na-un-detencion-y-victima-casi-morto

maltrato earnest at taste is conduci at one detencion y victima casi dead

monday, 24 february 2014 21:09 gusto-1 copy at taste cu is one club nocturno owing to sosode one maltrato much earnest cu owing to conduci also at maltrato of one student of medicina at aruba. the student cu parents live at merca is asisti one of the scolnan of medicina at aruba. diadomingo they owing to go leave cu are of student. they owing to trip y at dado instant the student here owing to wordo saca for of the club or past owing to wordo deny for enter bek. in his attempt will was have one agresion. do not conoci if the victima also owing to comete cualkier maltrato contra the bouncer. anything is assure cu the bouncer surname vrolijk if owing to strike the victima much strong. past owing to arrive hospital in one situation much critico. police also owing to wordo calling. the bouncer surname vrolijk owing to stay deteni. conocirnan is tell cu the victima owing to fractura his craneo y till even the cabez owing to open of such form cu cierto partinan was leave for of his cabez. at arrival at hospital mucho not can owing to wordo haci. the is on machine y was wardando monday the parents for so less the equipment of cuido intensivo. the mother self owing to arrive monday nightfall end y the father also owing to stay of arrive. they wanted hibe merca so self in air ambulance but dokternan at aruba do not give mucho speranza for her stay at life. also have informacion cu consulado mericano owing to wordo avisa of the caso here. have one possible team investigativo of merca also cu will is biniendo for so saca afor what owing to happen. the is one caso much earnest. several complaint know enter on the maltratonan cu know take lugar by of bouncernan of clubnan nocturno. do not first trip cu algo so is sosode. if the victima here fayece, the bouncer is in one problem much earnest y will wordo persigui for asesinato. wait for cu the news here not become another cu will spite the good name of we island in exterior. night all the amigonan y coleganan of scol was present at hospital sperando news positive of dokternan.

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Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 11:56:32 AM
studiantenan y family owing to uni in oracion at scol of victima

wednesday, 26 february 2014 08:17

tuesday night at aureus school or medicine did take one ceremonia diminutive for recorda one colega of scol. the brother man big of the victima agredi at taste owing to come personalmente y so take away word cu one oracion.

all student owing to atende this y all was cu they candle in hand dunando one sosten at the family cu perdida of they being keri but at self instant colega of scol. more after they owing to go also at taste for so haci one ceremonia also. this is one sistema very conoci at merca hour one incidente so sosode. forza at the family at the momentonan dificil here. the scol self have flag of aruba y of the universidad cu the logo halfstok the momentonan here.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 12:00:52 PM

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/77204-studiantenan-y-famia-a-uni-den-oracion-na-scol-di-victima

Papiamentu translation:

studiantenan y family owing to uni in oracion at scol of victima

wednesday, 26 february 2014 08:17

tuesday night at aureus school or medicine did take one ceremonia diminutive for recorda one colega of scol. the brother man big of the victima agredi at taste owing to come personalmente y so take away word cu one oracion.

all student owing to atende this y all was cu they candle in hand dunando one sosten at the family cu perdida of they being keri but at self instant colega of scol. more after they owing to go also at taste for so haci one ceremonia also. this is one sistema very conoci at merca hour one incidente so sosode. forza at the family at the momentonan dificil here. the scol self have flag of aruba y of the universidad cu the logo halfstok the momentonan here.

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edit to add link   :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/77228-fiscal-mayor-peter-blanken-golpi-y-prome-caida-ta-causa-di-morto-di-studiante-na-gusto-bar

Papiamentu translation:

sla strong at near right of cabez, owing to cause dead of student mericano

publication: thursday, 27 february 2014.

categoria: judicial

according patalogo owing to constata, while detencion of r.v owing to wordo prolonga

oranjestad(aan): tuesday morning sospechoso r.v owing to present at huez comisario for tratamento of prolongacion of his detencion y his detencion owing to wordo prolonga cu 8 day. r.j.v is the ‘bouncer’ of the establecimento taste, that owing to strike one student mericano s.s.h one fist, after of cual oranan after past owing to fayece. the bouncer of 27 year have chris lejuez because; advocate y lejuez owing to splica daily paper cu part of the so calling ‘lijkschouwing’ (autopsy), where cu is make one examinacion of the curpa for look at if can determina cause of dead, owing to make one ct scan. the patologo owing to employ among another the result of the scan y owing to determina cu the cause of dead of the young student was one sla strong at near right of his cabez. now have to bay determina if the golpi strong at cabez the student owing to achieve hour cu past owing to achieve the fist cu owing to place cay abao, or if the golpi strong was hour cu past owing to cay for of car of his amigonan y strike his cabez on vloer. have informacion cu is show cu hour cu his amigonan owing to hibe in car y s.s.h owing to achieve earn of saca, they owing to hale at near for her not saca in the car y the hour ey past owing to cay for of the car y strike his self strongly at his cabez. one agent policial cu was eynan will owing to look at this sosode. now more investigacion have cu bay take lugar for determina if will come cu one acusacion of asesinato, homicidio, or maltrato severo. in one interview cu fiscal parent peter blanken (foto) owing to puntre on the result of autopsia cu did take lugar on the curpa of the victima agredi mortalmente at taste bar. is hear cu is two trip the victima owing to cay strike his cabez. was have uno after of the golpi of bouncer cu the victima owing to cay strike his cabez y uno also hour cu the amigonan owing to carga the victima sake of car for her saca y lage cay on his cabez. in the interview fiscal parent owing to confirma cu the first sla strong in cara y the caida is esun cu owing to cause dead of the victima. is one situation fastioso. owing to achieve enough informacion on the caso here. now here the bouncer at door of taste bar the marduga of the agresion is deteni. have castigo maximo of 9 year on the caso here. investigacion is follow his direction. do not believe cu will go have more detencion. soon the caso here is afgerond also for wordo present in corte. the family self not owing to permiti autopsia on the victima. more bien owing to saca the scan of the cabez y this owing to conclui the golpi strong. diaranzon the family owing to leave for merca y the curpa without life of they child also owing to go. thing owing to happen is algo tristo according fiscal. ministerio publco is achieve cu hendenan cu is haci the work because; portier have to can controla they self.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 12:17:22 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2014/02/sla-fuerte-na-banda-drechi-di-cabez-a-causa-morto-di-studiante-mericano/

From the comments:


Aruba, crime paradise?
February 27, 2014
Votes: -3


Crime in Aruba is staggering. Our 'home away from home' (now for sale) was broken into 5 times last year. According to police we had to put cameras,then metal blinds, then hook up with a security company, aren't you guys ashamed that the common citizen has to turn his/her house into an Alcatraz while criminals are having a feast with homes, cars and now the beating to death of a 'diffic*lt client? We've lost all confidence in the Aruban judicial system and government because they have no clue what they're doing. We know lots of Arubans who are paying loans on property that was stolen, isn't this sad? For the size of Aruba, it's unacceptable and outrageous the ratio of crime that is killing this beautiful Island. After 32 years we've to say "Ayo dushi Aruba".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 12:19:30 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2014/02/sla-fuerte-na-banda-drechi-di-cabez-a-causa-morto-di-studiante-mericano/

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/77228-fiscal-mayor-peter-blanken-golpi-y-prome-caida-ta-causa-di-morto-di-studiante-na-gusto-bar

From the comments:


Aruba, crime paradise?
February 27, 2014
Votes: -3


Crime in Aruba is staggering. Our 'home away from home' (now for sale) was broken into 5 times last year. According to police we had to put cameras,then metal blinds, then hook up with a security company, aren't you guys ashamed that the common citizen has to turn his/her house into an Alcatraz while criminals are having a feast with homes, cars and now the beating to death of a 'diffic*lt client? We've lost all confidence in the Aruban judicial system and government because they have no clue what they're doing. We know lots of Arubans who are paying loans on property that was stolen, isn't this sad? For the size of Aruba, it's unacceptable and outrageous the ratio of crime that is killing this beautiful Island. After 32 years we've to say "Ayo dushi Aruba".


edit to correct link!   :2doh:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/77228-fiscal-mayor-peter-blanken-golpi-y-prome-caida-ta-causa-di-morto-di-studiante-na-gusto-bar


http://www.diario.aw/2014/02/sla-fuerte-na-banda-drechi-di-cabez-a-causa-morto-di-studiante-mericano/

Papiamentu translation:

sla strong at near right of cabez, owing to cause dead of student mericano

publication: thursday, 27 february 2014.

categoria: judicial

according patalogo owing to constata, while detencion of r.v owing to wordo prolonga

oranjestad(aan): tuesday morning sospechoso r.v owing to present at huez comisario for tratamento of prolongacion of his detencion y his detencion owing to wordo prolonga cu 8 day. r.j.v is the ‘bouncer’ of the establecimento taste, that owing to strike one student mericano s.s.h one fist, after of cual oranan after past owing to fayece. the bouncer of 27 year have chris lejuez because; advocate y lejuez owing to splica daily paper cu part of the so calling ‘lijkschouwing’ (autopsy), where cu is make one examinacion of the curpa for look at if can determina cause of dead, owing to make one ct scan. the patologo owing to employ among another the result of the scan y owing to determina cu the cause of dead of the young student was one sla strong at near right of his cabez. now have to bay determina if the golpi strong at cabez the student owing to achieve hour cu past owing to achieve the fist cu owing to place cay abao, or if the golpi strong was hour cu past owing to cay for of car of his amigonan y strike his cabez on vloer. have informacion cu is show cu hour cu his amigonan owing to hibe in car y s.s.h owing to achieve earn of saca, they owing to hale at near for her not saca in the car y the hour ey past owing to cay for of the car y strike his self strongly at his cabez. one agent policial cu was eynan will owing to look at this sosode. now more investigacion have cu bay take lugar for determina if will come cu one acusacion of asesinato, homicidio, or maltrato severo. in one interview cu fiscal parent peter blanken (foto) owing to puntre on the result of autopsia cu did take lugar on the curpa of the victima agredi mortalmente at taste bar. is hear cu is two trip the victima owing to cay strike his cabez. was have uno after of the golpi of bouncer cu the victima owing to cay strike his cabez y uno also hour cu the amigonan owing to carga the victima sake of car for her saca y lage cay on his cabez. in the interview fiscal parent owing to confirma cu the first sla strong in cara y the caida is esun cu owing to cause dead of the victima. is one situation fastioso. owing to achieve enough informacion on the caso here. now here the bouncer at door of taste bar the marduga of the agresion is deteni. have castigo maximo of 9 year on the caso here. investigacion is follow his direction. do not believe cu will go have more detencion. soon the caso here is afgerond also for wordo present in corte. the family self not owing to permiti autopsia on the victima. more bien owing to saca the scan of the cabez y this owing to conclui the golpi strong. diaranzon the family owing to leave for merca y the curpa without life of they child also owing to go. thing owing to happen is algo tristo according fiscal. ministerio publco is achieve cu hendenan cu is haci the work because; portier have to can controla they self.

edit to correct link...sorry!   :oops: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 01:33:01 PM
http://www.cadenagramonte.cu/english/index.php/show/articles/17225:venezuela-denounces-aggression-against-consulate-in-aruba

Friday, February 21, 2014
Venezuela Denounces Aggression Against Consulate in Aruba

Caracas, Feb 21.- Venezuelan Foreign Minister Elias Jaua denounced today the attack against the Venezuelan Consulate in Aruba perpetrated in Friday morning.

Speaking on state television, Jaua said the attack was carried out by a Venezuelan citizen who crashed his car into the facility.

Jaua warned about the media's ability to inject hatred into people by making a perverse use of social networks to promote intolerance against the homeland.

He also said Venezuelan authorities reported the attack to the prosecution in order to request the deportation of the perpetrator and bring him to Venezuelan courts.

Jaua added that President Nicolas Maduro has ordered the closing of Venezuelan Consulates in Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire. (Prensa Latina)




http://www.curacaochronicle.com/main/venezuelan-government-denounces-attack-on-the-countrys-consular-office-in-aruba-closes-consular-office-in-curacao/

Venezuelan Government denounces attack on the country’s consular office in Aruba. Consular office in Curacao closed.

WILLEMSTAD – The Venezuelan Minister for Foreign Affairs, Elias Jaua, reported that the consular office of Venezuela in Aruba suffered damages by a vehicle this Friday.

“We want to make a call to those who have promoted this hatred, to those who have instilled this intolerance leading to a Venezuelan citizen, residing on that island, to attack a consular office of your country putting his own lives at risk,” the Minister said.

He accused the media of inoculate hatred. “I am amazed of how far the ability has come to inoculate hate. With a perverse use of social networks, promoting intolerance of class and race,” Jaua said.

The Minister said that he has asked the Dutch authorities to deport the Venezuelan citizen who was involved in this incident. “We request the concerned citizen to be deported so the Venezuelan justice can deal with him accordingly.”

Jaua explained that the order of President Nicolas Maduro was for a preventive closure of the consulates in Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire as well as the removal of Venezuelan citizens working in the consular buildings in those countries. He also said that; “we called our ambassador in Holland to get more knowledge on the position of the Dutch government regarding this serious attack on our consular office.”




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Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
http://tbo.com/ap/world/venezuela-closes-consulates-in-dutch-caribbean-ap_world518ec407c13a4e5f8adb5038562b7973

Venezuela closes consulates in Dutch Caribbean
Published: February 21, 2014   |   Updated: February 21, 2014 at 09:41 PM

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela is closing its consulates in the Dutch Caribbean after what authorities said was an attack on a government office.

A Venezuelan man rammed his car through the front of the Venezuelan consulate in Aruba on Friday amid mounting unrest in his home country. There were no reported injuries.

As a preventative measure Foreign Minister Elias Jaua ordered the removal of all diplomatic staff from Aruba as well as Bonaire and Curacao until authorities could guarantee their safety. The three islands are semi-autonomous entities within the kingdom of The Netherlands.

Venezuelans are on edge as violent clashes between student protesters and government forces erupt across the nation. The violence has left at least 8 dead and more than 100 wounded.


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Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2014, 05:29:13 PM
Trail date bumped up to April 20, 2015!  The Kalpoe's will have grey hair before this trial starts, if it ever does!  ::MonkeyCool::

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Post by: wreck on March 03, 2014, 05:45:46 PM
... and the Kalpoes can't get any "compensation for damages" anyways!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
... and the Kalpoes can't get any "compensation for damages" anyways!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Right so why not just throw in the towel?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 04, 2014, 02:59:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on March 07, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/06/5624657/social-eyes-natalee-holloways.html

Social Eyes: Natalee Holloway’s mom to speak at Salvation Army luncheon
Posted Thursday, Mar. 06, 2014

Beth Holloway’s compelling story of her daughter Natalee’s 2005 disappearance in Aruba will be the keynote address at the Salvation Army’s Doing the Most Good Luncheon on March 18 at the Omni Hotel in Fort Worth.

The annual luncheon raises funds to enable the Salvation Army to provide such services as free daily meals for the hungry, a homeless shelter, a food pantry, senior citizen assistance and permanent supportive housing for homeless veterans,.
 ::snipping3::
Tickets to the event cost $150 each, and table sponsorships begin at $2,500. To make reservations, contact DFWMC_Events@uss.salvationarmy.org.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on March 09, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/09-03-2014/el-asesino-joran-van-der-sloot-sera-extraditado-al-cumplir-su-condena-de-28-anos

Google translation

Joran Van Der Sloot will be extradited to serve his sentence of 28 years
Sunday, March 9, 2014 | 24:07

Convicted of aesinato Peruvian Stephany Flores, Joran Van Der Sloot Dutch will be extradited to the U.S. , but in several years , when serve his sentence .

This indicates the Supreme Resolution No. 057-2014 -JUS published Sunday in the official gazette El Peruano , that in response to the request for extradition made ​​by the Federal Court for the Northern District of Alabama U.S. .

He is quoted "to be prosecuted for the alleged offenses and Extortion Scam , to the detriment of Elizabeth Ann Holloway, and defer delivery until cumplimieto of the sentence required by the Third Criminal Court for Trials of Inmates in Prison Superior Court of Justice of Lima " .

It noted that Elizabeth Ann Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway , teen killed by Van Der Sloot whose body , years after his disappearance , has not yet appeared .

Van Der Sloot came to ask for $ 250,000 to the mother of his victim to disclose the missing teenager.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on March 09, 2014, 03:48:06 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/09-03-2014/el-asesino-joran-van-der-sloot-sera-extraditado-al-cumplir-su-condena-de-28-anos

Google translation

Joran Van Der Sloot will be extradited to serve his sentence of 28 years
Sunday, March 9, 2014 | 24:07

Convicted of aesinato Peruvian Stephany Flores, Joran Van Der Sloot Dutch will be extradited to the U.S. , but in several years , when serve his sentence .
He
This indicates the Supreme Resolution No. 057-2014 -JUS published Sunday in the official gazette El Peruano , that in response to the request for extradition made ​​by the Federal Court for the Northern District of Alabama U.S. .

He is quoted "to be prosecuted for the alleged offenses and Extortion S , to the detriment of Elizabeth Ann Holloway, and defer delivery until cumplimieto of the sentence required by the Third Criminal Court for Trials of Inmates in Prison Superior Court of Justice of Lima " .

It noted that Elizabeth Ann Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway , teen killed by Van Der Sloot whose body , years after his disappearance , has not yet appeared .

Van Der Sloot came to ask for $ 250,000 to the mother of his victim to disclose the missing teenager.
 ::snipping3::



He will be extradited when?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
He'll be extradited after he serves his sentience in Peru for the murder of Stephany.  I don't think anyone knows specifically what date that will actually but years from now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2014, 05:46:57 PM
He'll be extradited after he serves his sentience in Peru for the murder of Stephany.  I don't think anyone knows specifically what date that will actually but years from now.


If he lives that long...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2014, 06:06:41 PM
Exactly Muffy  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h_8ELmoKZPMXGMp7hg1nf9ijvvxw?docId=ba7ce15d-7e1c-4af6-8383-023c997727ff (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h_8ELmoKZPMXGMp7hg1nf9ijvvxw?docId=ba7ce15d-7e1c-4af6-8383-023c997727ff)

Peru confirms Dutch convict will be extradited to US in 2038

By Luis Jaime Cisneros (AFP) – 1 hour ago

Lima — Peru confirmed Sunday it will extradite Dutch convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot, serving a 28-year sentence here for murdering a young Peruvian woman, to the United States in 2038.

The widely expected decision was two years in coming. Lima had said earlier the Dutchman would be extradited to the United States, but only after he serves his sentence in Peru first.

Van der Sloot, 26, pleaded guilty and was handed down his sentence in January 2012 for the "cruel and savage" murder of 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on March 09, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
IIRC this was the final step in the extradition process.

I think that if he gets an early release from prison, he will be subject to extradition...otherwise, he will be extradited after he serves the full sentence in 2038. 
In my opinion, he will probably try to delay the extradition when the time comes for it.  ::boxjoran::

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/peru-extraditara-a-holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-a-eeuu-cuando-cumpla-condena-en-2038,b483a9688cd94410VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html

Google translation

March 9, 2014 • 14:36
Peru extradite Dutch Joran Van der Sloot to the U.S. after serving a sentence in 2038

Peru approved the extradition of Dutch Joran Van der Sloot to the United States, the main suspect in the case of a missing American woman in Aruba in 2005, although to materialize must wait until 2038 , according to a government decision known on Sunday .

The measure closes a two-year long process , since a Federal Court of Alabama , United States requested the extradition of Van der Sloot , now 26 , to stand trial for the alleged crimes of extortion and fraud perpetrated against Elizabeth Ann Holloway , mother of the girl Natalee Holloway , who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 in a case in which Dutch is the prime suspect.

Shipping to the U.S. authorities will not be immediate because Van der Sloot must be met before a conviction for a murder he committed in Lima in 2010.

The Peruvian Ministry of Justice stated that the request " in accordance with the Bilateral Extradition Treaty between Peru and the United States of America , signed in 2001," according to a resolution published Sunday in the official gazette .

"Delivery ( U.S. authorities ) is deferred until the completion of the sentence imposed ," says the resolution, which takes the order by the Supreme Court of Peru when requested extradition in May 2012.

At that time , counsel for Van der Sloot , Maximum Highness , told AFP that his client " is in accordance with the decision of the Supreme Court. That's what we were looking for ." " Joran has never refused to go to America once serve his sentence in Peru ," he added .

The decision closes the door for the defense to appeal the extradition, but possibilities exist dilate , told AFP criminal lawyer Roberto Pereira.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on March 09, 2014, 08:10:55 PM
The earliest release date (probation) would be 2019 according to his lawyer--after serving 9 years in jail (a third of his sentence).

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gp_iDztO6UbGJwtHKO6k0JM5sqiw?docId=3167cb1f-1c53-4fcc-87fb-7d2e92e9e502&hl=es

Google translation

Peru extradite Dutch Joran Van der Sloot to the U.S. after serving a sentence in 2038
By Luis Jaime Cisneros ( AFP ) - 3 hours ago

 ::snipping3::
"Delivery ( U.S. authorities ) is deferred until the completion of the sentence imposed ," says the resolution, which takes the order by the Supreme Court of Peru when requested extradition in May 2012.

At that time , counsel for Van der Sloot , Maximum Highness , told AFP that his client " is in accordance with the decision of the Supreme Court. That's what we were looking for ." " Joran has never refused to go to America once serve his sentence in Peru ," he added .

Also Highness had said at that time that his client was eligible for probation serving a third of the sentence.

"He ( Van der Sloot ) could be eligible for benefits ( prison ) and could go with a third of his sentence," serving a nine year sentence , then said Highness.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
The earliest release date (probation) would be 2019 according to his lawyer--after serving 9 years in jail (a third of his sentence).

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gp_iDztO6UbGJwtHKO6k0JM5sqiw?docId=3167cb1f-1c53-4fcc-87fb-7d2e92e9e502&hl=es

Google translation

Peru extradite Dutch Joran Van der Sloot to the U.S. after serving a sentence in 2038
By Luis Jaime Cisneros ( AFP ) - 3 hours ago

 ::snipping3::
"Delivery ( U.S. authorities ) is deferred until the completion of the sentence imposed ," says the resolution, which takes the order by the Supreme Court of Peru when requested extradition in May 2012.

At that time , counsel for Van der Sloot , Maximum Highness , told AFP that his client " is in accordance with the decision of the Supreme Court. That's what we were looking for ." " Joran has never refused to go to America once serve his sentence in Peru ," he added .

Also Highness had said at that time that his client was eligible for probation serving a third of the sentence.

"He ( Van der Sloot ) could be eligible for benefits ( prison ) and could go with a third of his sentence," serving a nine year sentence , then said Highness.


 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on March 10, 2014, 05:24:20 AM
What great news to hear on a Monday.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Red on March 10, 2014, 05:44:54 AM
It is good to know that this punk will never escape the long arm of the American law.

He will one day face justice for what he did to Natalee Holloway.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/03/10/peru-agrees-to-extradite-joran-van-der-sloot-to-united-states-in-26-years-in-2038-for-federal-extortion-wire-fraud-charges-in-connection-with-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

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Peru has agreed to extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States.

Joran Van der Sloot will be contradicted to the United States in 2038. Peru confirmed Sunday it will extradite Dutch convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot, serving a 28-year sentence here for murdering a young Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores, to the United States in 2038. Joran Van der Sloot murdered Stephany Flores five years to the day that he was also accused of killing Natalee Holloway in Aruba.  Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, will be extradited to the United States, but only after he serves his sentence in Peru first. A federal grand jury in the United States indicted Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2014, 09:35:06 AM
What great news to hear on a Monday.

Hi San!   :smt006  ITA, great news to hear on a Monday.  Or Tuesday.  Or Wednesday.  Or Thursday.  Or Friday.  Or Saturday.  Or Sunday!    ::MonkeyDevil::  Any day I hear news of misery, further incarceration and etc. of Joran is a good day. Nice way to start out the week though.   ::MonkeyDance:: JMHO 
Still waiting for justice for Natalee.   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2014, 09:36:24 AM
It is good to know that this punk will never escape the long arm of the American law.

He will one day face justice for what he did to Natalee Holloway.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/03/10/peru-agrees-to-extradite-joran-van-der-sloot-to-united-states-in-26-years-in-2038-for-federal-extortion-wire-fraud-charges-in-connection-with-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

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Peru has agreed to extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States.

Joran Van der Sloot will be contradicted to the United States in 2038. Peru confirmed Sunday it will extradite Dutch convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot, serving a 28-year sentence here for murdering a young Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores, to the United States in 2038. Joran Van der Sloot murdered Stephany Flores five years to the day that he was also accused of killing Natalee Holloway in Aruba.  Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, will be extradited to the United States, but only after he serves his sentence in Peru first. A federal grand jury in the United States indicted Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud.
::snipping3::

Waiting for justice for Natalee.   ::monkeyflag3:: ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 10, 2014, 09:44:53 AM
What great news to hear on a Monday.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 10, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
It is good to know that this punk will never escape the long arm of the American law.

He will one day face justice for what he did to Natalee Holloway.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/03/10/peru-agrees-to-extradite-joran-van-der-sloot-to-united-states-in-26-years-in-2038-for-federal-extortion-wire-fraud-charges-in-connection-with-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

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Peru has agreed to extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States.

Joran Van der Sloot will be contradicted to the United States in 2038. Peru confirmed Sunday it will extradite Dutch convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot, serving a 28-year sentence here for murdering a young Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores, to the United States in 2038. Joran Van der Sloot murdered Stephany Flores five years to the day that he was also accused of killing Natalee Holloway in Aruba.  Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, will be extradited to the United States, but only after he serves his sentence in Peru first. A federal grand jury in the United States indicted Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud.
::snipping3::

Waiting for justice for Natalee.   ::monkeyflag3:: ::justice2nj2::

 ::rhino:: ::justice2nj2:: ::monkeyflag3:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 10, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
Hola a orina, Anita, y la isla de peligro. Usted nunca será capaz de escapar de ella hasta que usted permite que su vuelta a casa, Aruba. La orina le dirá toda vez que llegue a Alabama. Es decir, si no está muerto antes de esa fecha. Dios bendiga a América! Dios bendiga a Alabama! Dios bendiga a Perú! Y que Dios bendiga a Natalee Holloway y Stephany Flores..No mas espanol, por favor.... ::MonkeyCool::


TICK_TOCK

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 10, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
It is good to know that this punk will never escape the long arm of the American law.

He will one day face justice for what he did to Natalee Holloway.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/03/10/peru-agrees-to-extradite-joran-van-der-sloot-to-united-states-in-26-years-in-2038-for-federal-extortion-wire-fraud-charges-in-connection-with-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

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Peru has agreed to extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States.

Joran Van der Sloot will be contradicted to the United States in 2038. Peru confirmed Sunday it will extradite Dutch convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot, serving a 28-year sentence here for murdering a young Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores, to the United States in 2038. Joran Van der Sloot murdered Stephany Flores five years to the day that he was also accused of killing Natalee Holloway in Aruba.  Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, will be extradited to the United States, but only after he serves his sentence in Peru first. A federal grand jury in the United States indicted Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud.
::snipping3::

Woo Hoo, now I just hope I live long enough to welcome him to JUSTICE FOR NAT  ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::

 ::monkeyflag3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on March 10, 2014, 09:04:51 PM
What great news to hear on a Monday.

Hi San!   :smt006  ITA, great news to hear on a Monday.  Or Tuesday.  Or Wednesday.  Or Thursday.  Or Friday.  Or Saturday.  Or Sunday!    ::MonkeyDevil::  Any day I hear news of misery, further incarceration and etc. of Joran is a good day. Nice way to start out the week though.   ::MonkeyDance:: JMHO 
Still waiting for justice for Natalee.   ::justice2nj2::

Hi Muffy, you're right it's great to hear this news on any day.  As long as Joran is rotting in jail it makes me happy that he will not be hurting any more young women.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2014, 09:31:25 PM
What great news to hear on a Monday.

Hi San!   :smt006  ITA, great news to hear on a Monday.  Or Tuesday.  Or Wednesday.  Or Thursday.  Or Friday.  Or Saturday.  Or Sunday!    ::MonkeyDevil::  Any day I hear news of misery, further incarceration and etc. of Joran is a good day. Nice way to start out the week though.   ::MonkeyDance:: JMHO 
Still waiting for justice for Natalee.   ::justice2nj2::

Hi Muffy, you're right it's great to hear this news on any day.  As long as Joran is rotting in jail it makes me happy that he will not be hurting any more young women.

Absolutely!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cw618 on March 11, 2014, 11:43:08 AM
 here is the Calendar for 2052, jan 1 falls on monday
 goodnews mondays LOL

http://www.dayoftheweek.org/calendar/2052
January 2052
Sun   Mon   Tue   Wed   Thu   Fri   Sat
    1   2   3   4   5   6
7   8   9   10   11   12   13
14   15   16   17   18   19   20
21   22   23   24   25   26   27
28   29   30   31           


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 11, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
here is the Calendar for 2052, jan 1 falls on monday
 goodnews mondays LOL

http://www.dayoftheweek.org/calendar/2052
January 2052
Sun   Mon   Tue   Wed   Thu   Fri   Sat
    1   2   3   4   5   6
7   8   9   10   11   12   13
14   15   16   17   18   19   20
21   22   23   24   25   26   27
28   29   30   31           

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: alagary on March 12, 2014, 09:42:30 AM
3/12/14    U.S. Attorney's Office in Birmingham: Will extradict Joran Van der Sloot 'at earliest opportunity'
 


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/03/us_attorneys_office_in_birming.html#incart_river_default


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 12, 2014, 12:04:22 PM
3/12/14    U.S. Attorney's Office in Birmingham: Will extradict Joran Van der Sloot 'at earliest opportunity'
 


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/03/us_attorneys_office_in_birming.html#incart_river_default

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2014, 05:39:44 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/dr-phil-cbs-gain-advantage-688038 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/dr-phil-cbs-gain-advantage-688038)

Dr. Phil, CBS Gain Advantage in Defamation Lawsuit Over Natalee Holloway Show
1:01 PM PDT 3/12/2014 by Eriq Gardner

A California appeals court considers the question of whether two brothers once connected to the disappearance of the American teen are considered limited-purpose public figures.

 ::snipping3::

In December, a California appeals court examined the case and concluded that the plaintiffs couldn't claim any punitive damages because they didn't comply with legal procedures necessitating a demand for a correction

On Tuesday, the appeals court weighed in on a different issue -- whether the Kalpoe brothers are limited-purpose public figures. One is deemed to be so. The other is not. The ruling illustrates how courts decide the difference.

A limited-purpose public figure is someone who is not famous except for the circumstances of a particular issue or controversy. The questions that go into the analysis include: Was there a public controversy? Was the defamation germane to the controversy? Was there a voluntary act in which the plaintiffs attempted to thrust themselves into the public eye?

In the defamation lawsuit against Dr. Phil, the first two questions are answered by the appeals court with a resounding, "Yes."

California appeals court judge Fred Woods notes the Holloway disappearance receiving tremendous press attention and that the videotape of the interview was intended to shed light on the yet unresolved controversy.

But whether the Kalpoe brothers voluntarily sought to influence resolution of the Holloway disappearance is a different call.

The appeals court judge says it doesn't really matter that the Kalpoes told lies to the police nor that there were a lot of media stories about Holloway nor that the Kalpoes filed a complaint against the Aruban government.

What does matter, on the other hand, was that Deepak Kalpoe didn't shy away from the limelight. He gave an interview to Fox News' Greta van Susteren and MSNBC's Clint van Zandt and allowed his attorney to give other press interviews. Moreover, Deepak spoke several times to a literary agent and prepared a book proposal. Judge Woods writes, "These actions, considered together, can be interpreted as voluntary acts designed to draw special attention to or influence the public perception of guilt."

 ::snipping3::

 ::justice2nj2::

Not sure how much Satish was harmed by the Dr. Phil show although it looks like if anyone got something it would be him.  I don't think he will though.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 12, 2014, 10:57:27 PM
The Kalpoe brothers are the company that they kept and collusion at the very least !

Forever - Justice for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 13, 2014, 05:18:16 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/1169447/natalie-holloway-no-closer-to-justice-joran-van-der-sloots-extradition-a-long-way-off/


Posted in: News  Posted: March 13, 2014 

Natalee Holloway No Closer To Justice – Joran Van der Sloot’s Extradition A Long Way Off




It’s yet another disappointment in the story that has yielded plenty of heartbreak but little resolution since the world first heard of Natalee Holloway almost a decade ago. Joran Van der Sloot will not have to face extradition to the United States until he completes his sentence in Peru – in 2038.


Van der Sloot is the primary suspect in Natalee’s disappearance and presumed murder, when the 17-year-old went to Aruba with her Mountain Brook classmates to celebrate their graduation. She was last seen with him, and the case begins and ends with him. And he has taken her mother, Beth Holloway, and everyone else on a never-ending roller coaster ride of fabrication, deception, and extortion. It still hasn’t ended. Who knows if it ever will.
 ::snipping3::




Good article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
The Kalpoe brothers are the company that they kept and collusion at the very least !

Forever - Justice for Natalee

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2014, 09:47:43 PM
From Curacao...

The men were found murdered in the same area James Edward Hogan's clothes were found.


http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/247435/vondst-verkoolde-lichamen-baya-beach.html

Google translation:

Find charred bodies Baya Beach
04-03-2014 8:28 | NEWS | Shelley Tjauw-Foe

PoliceCURACAO - Passers yesterday morning two charred bodies found in the vicinity of Baya Beach. Police received around 9:28 am reporting this dubious discovery. The state in which the two men were found, their identity is not yet known.

The victims were on their stomach on the floor and their hands were tied. The face of one of them was covered with an undershirt. Besides the bodies also several bullet casings and other items were found. At the request of the Public Prosecutor (OM) are the bodies seized for further investigation. Information The raid team of police investigating the case and are looking for tips and witnesses. Call during office hours with 8666219 or 8666221. The phone lines 917 and 108 (anonymous tip line) are also open for information in this case.




http://www.thedailyherald.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46338:two-burned-bodies-found&catid=1:islands-news&Itemid=54

Two burned bodies found
Tuesday, 04 March 2014 00:46

WILLEMSTAD--Two partially burned male corpses were found at Caracasbaai in Curaçao on Monday.

A passerby made the grim discovery on a path between the bushes near the former Baya Beach Club. The two victims were tied up and lying face-down.

Several empty bullet cartridges were found around the bodies and there appeared to be blood traces on the ground. Most of the back and sides of both men were completely charred.

Police said it might be possible to identify one of the persons involved, but the other would be difficult. A full-fledged technical investigation was in progress at the crime scene, with use of a drone to map the surroundings from the air.


http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/247607/identiteit-dodelijk-slachtoffer-baya-beach-bekendgemaakt.html

Google translation:

Identity fatality Baya Beach announced
06-03-2014 8:26 | NEWS | Shelley Tjauw-Foe

CURACAO - The police have the identity of one of the lifeless bodies were found Monday at Baya Beach, announced. It is Siegfried Miguel Benito (60), born in Curacao on October 5, 1953. The identity of the other victim has not been released.
Passersby found on the fateful day two charred bodies in the vicinity of Baya Beach. The state in which the two men were found their identity could not be established. Equal In the vicinity several bullet casings and other items were also found.
More on this




http://www.amigoe.com/curacao/178546-identiteit-tweede-dode-baya-beach-vrijgegeven

Google translation:

Identity second dead Baya Beach released

THURSDAY, MARCH 13, 2014 10:06

WILLEM CITY - Police issued yesterday afternoon, the identity of the second man who quite charred at Baya Beach is found. The relatives of the man identified him as Oscar Neira Muñoz, born in Colombia on February 18, 1981. He became 33 years old. The police gave to this newspaper yesterday prompted to have to wait until the identity could be disclosed to further investigation, but this was later in the afternoon anyway possible.

The bodies of Muñoz and 60-year-old Siegfried Benito were found burned in the Mondi on 3 March.

Police are still looking for more information about this double murder. Important tips can be reported to the Criminal Investigation Department at the telephone numbers 866-6219, 866-6221, 917 or the anonymous tip line 108.


No idea if these stories are connected or not, but have to wonder...

http://www.amigoe.com/english/178324-increasing-number-of-drug-transports-to-and-from-curacao

Increasing number of drug transports to and from Curaçao   

MONDAY, 10 MARCH 2014 10:58

KINGSTON/WILLEMSTAD — The Jamaican authorities report an increasing number of attempts to smuggle drugs to and from Curaçao. The members of the Transnational Crime and Narcotics Division (TCND) arrested four men and one female on February 27th and March 3rd for violating the law on drugs.
 
The Jamaican male Gilbert N. (48) was arrested on February 27th at Norman Manley International Airport. He attempted to smuggle more than 900 grams of marihuana packed in small balls to Curaçao, according to a process-verbal. That same day the 24-year old Jamaican female Kemar T. was arrested on a flight from Curaçao. She had swallowed 32 small balls (approx. 200 grams) of cocaine. After interrogation she was brought to the Kingston Public Hospital to have the drugs removed from her body. On March 3rd the TCND-officers arrested three men, also on a flight from Curaçao to Jamaica, who attempted to smuggle cocaine. The men were identified as the Jamaicans Christopher D. (46) and Kevin B. (26), and the 46-year old Jonathan F. from Guyana. In total they had swallowed 174 small balls of cocaine (more than 2 kilo). All drug suspects will appear in court next week, according to the police.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Reminiscent of Pitbull


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 14, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
Reminiscent of Pitbull

 ::rhino::


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Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2014, 09:23:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/178704-opnieuw-lijk-zwerver-gevonden-nabij-xavier

Google translation:


Again corpse wanderer found near Xavier


SATURDAY, MARCH 15, 2014 09:48

ORANGE CITY - A drug addict this morning, on a piece of wasteland near Xavier University in Santa Helena, the corpse of a known found. The victim is a man, stands among fellow users known as 'Salserin' and middle-aged. The full identity was not known this morning.

By our reporter

Alex Lacle

According to police spokesman Lito Laclé being there is no suspicion of a crime. "There were no signs of external violence," says Chief Peter Blanken of the Public Prosecutor (OM) request against Amigoe . The police doctor who death formally concluded they think of a heart attack. "He felt the last few days been sick," the spokesman said. Yet the body is seized by the authorities to investigate the exact cause of death.

At the place where the victim was found this morning, has already discovered a corpse last year. That was when the famous wanderer Gwendoline 'Wendy' Dirksz (38). It was the end of July 2013 in a bag, wrapped with rope. The body of Dirksz was found, after an on-site strong odor was noted. Her body wrong when discovery is already in an advanced state of decomposition. Section do not directly from that it was a crime, but were arrested a suspect in the investigation into the murder of Dirksz. Late October last year That happened after raids in West Street and the Bernadetastraat. "There was sufficient evidence." However, he is released, tells the OM morning. Initially the suspect was linked to the murder, but further investigation revealed the man did not question. The prosecution still considers the death of Dirksz as the result of a crime. However, there are no suspects in the eye, says Chief Whites.

Justice does not think of a connection between the two bodies. That they are found in the same place is probably a coincidence. The location is known as a place for drug users.


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Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/77970-homber-haya-morto-na-emmastraat

Papiamentu translation:

man achieve dead at emmastraat

saturday, 15 march 2014 08:33

saturday morning police owing to achieve notificacion cu will can have one man throw downstairs sleep near of some container on emmastraat. police owing to arrive come achieve he but without give sign of life. owing to ask ambulance arrive at the sitio cu owing to confirma police they suspicion cu he is dead. doctor at keep owing to stay notifica for come constata dead. he of edad big is conoci of abide of cancer y is sospecha in the caso here is deal of one dead natural. the area where owing to come achieve he without life is the same where some month happen owing to come achieve one curpa in saco of plastic, then just behind xavier university.


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Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2014, 08:48:45 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Minutes030414_zpsbff6d25a.png)


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Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Dr. Phil's team is going to keep dragging this out until the Kalpoes and whoever is paying their bills run out of money and/or interest.  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Dr. Phil's team is going to keep dragging this out until the Kalpoes and whoever is paying their bills run out of money and/or interest.  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::monkeywine2:: ::buzzbee3::


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Post by: IBE on March 16, 2014, 10:58:15 PM
Dr. Phil's team is going to keep dragging this out until the Kalpoes and whoever is paying their bills run out of money and/or interest.  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::monkeywine2:: ::buzzbee3::

Glad to read that the Monkey Family is still doing Good Works,

Love,

IBE


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 17, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
It's so good to see you IBE!!  :smt006


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Post by: texasmom on March 18, 2014, 01:54:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: MuffyBee on March 18, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: grace-land on March 19, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140320/Advocaat-Van-der-Sloot-over-vijf-jaar-vrij-man

Google translation

Lawyer : Van der Sloot five years free man
Published: 20 Mar 2014 02:40 Last Updated : Mar 20, 2014 02:40 General

Joran van der Sloot in Peru a prison sentence of 28 -year sentence for murder , could already be released. 2019 That suggests at least his lawyer Máximo Altez . According to counsel , the behavior of his client in the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima hitherto exemplary , so he would be eligible for a substantial reduction of sentence into account.

In Peru, a prisoner may , after he has served ask for pardon . Third of his sentence The authorities then look to include behavior and mental health before they give consent. Altez says that his client is mentally much more stable than before . Moreover, Van der Sloot would show his good will to give to guards and inmates . English lesson

According Altez Van der Sloot is not afraid of extradition to the U.S. after his sentence in Peru , where the Supreme Court recently gave permission . Both the Dutchman and his counsel is convinced that the extortion case of the mother of Natalee Holloway on his release barred . A judicial spokesman for the state of Alabama , where the case is , however, denies this .
 ::snipping3::


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Post by: cadillac on March 20, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Send him on to Alabama.

He says he is not afraid.


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Post by: texasmom on March 20, 2014, 07:44:02 PM
Send him on to Alabama.

He says he is not afraid.

 ::rhino::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 20, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
Send him on to Alabama.

He says he is not afraid.

 ::rhino::


Well yeah.  Sure. He's not afraid.   All hat and no cattle.  JMHO 


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Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2014, 12:47:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2014, 09:29:26 PM
First and last pages of the final decision on the appeal regarding punitive damages.  Guess the Kalpoes screwed up when they didn't complain about the broadcast immediately and ask them to make a correction  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Remittitur04031401_zps5d85fbe9.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Remittitur04031414_zps1091086b.jpg)


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Post by: Blue Moon on April 03, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
First and last pages of the final decision on the appeal regarding punitive damages.  Guess the Kalpoes screwed up when they didn't complain about the broadcast immediately and ask them to make a correction  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Remittitur04031401_zps5d85fbe9.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Remittitur04031414_zps1091086b.jpg)


What does this mean Klaas?  It is over and each party pays their own expenses?  If so, Aruba is going to be out a lot of money for the bums to file a suit and then they expect a windfall from the death of Natalee.  Glad they lost this, just wish they had been ordered to pay Dr. Phil's costs.


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Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2014, 09:42:19 AM
It means that even if the trial happens and Deepak/Satish were to win, they won't win sh**.  They can't get general or punitive damages.   ::MonkeyCool::

Doesn't not mean it's over though.


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Post by: cadillac on April 04, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
Color me confused but shouldn't the Kalpoes just remain silent. Period. Silent.

They are complicit to this murder.


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Post by: wreck on April 04, 2014, 11:21:11 AM
Color me confused but shouldn't the Kalpoes just remain silent. Period. Silent.

They are complicit to this murder.
You would think!!!!  ::rhino::


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Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
It's called GREED.  They and some in Aruba thought they found the "cash cow".  Thankfully, they don't understand our system  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
It's called GREED.  They and some in Aruba thought they found the "cash cow".  Thankfully, they don't understand our system  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2014, 11:25:30 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: can on April 05, 2014, 04:49:25 AM
With thoughts of Natalee's family. 
As Beth was proud of her girl, Beth has done her proud!
Always in thought.
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: WhiskeyGirl on April 06, 2014, 01:13:12 PM
Dr. Phil's team is going to keep dragging this out until the Kalpoes and whoever is paying their bills run out of money and/or interest.  ::MonkeyCool::

Many years from now, Dr. Phil could do an intervention for the Kalpoes.  Maybe some deep reality kind of analysis in a series on hour long specials?  10 anniversary edition?  Who knows what might come out after all these years.

Maybe a few Jerry Springer episodes when JVDS get's out?



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Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2014, 12:01:41 AM
http://caribischnetwerk.ntr.nl/2014/04/04/james-murray-na-gratieverlening-gelijk-naar-aruba/

Google translation:

(http://caribischnetwerk.ntr.nl/files/2014/03/james_murray01-150x150.jpg)
James Murray - Photo: 24ora

James Murray after pardon equal to Aruba

April 4, 2014


WILLEMSTAD - The Ministry of Justice James Murray yesterday the country decides for his pardon issued to him, after which he was released from custody immediately.
 
This confirms his lawyer Claudia Reijntjes-Wendenburg. "We can bring back the same day. Him happy to Aruba I myself flew with him. "Murray was a life sentence for the murder of six Darly Lai in 1979.
 
Murray has cancer and is terminal. In September, he became the correction Institute Aruba (KIA), where he was serving his life sentence, transferred to the island where he was serving. The remainder of his sentence in the nursing Bethesda
 
Help
"The pardon is already applied in August last year by himself with support from KIA, which was a week before he was transferred to Curaçao," said Reijntjes-Wendenburg. "We are grateful for the help we received when Murray through justice was left to fend for themselves and we had to find a solution in the short term from different sides," the lawyer stressed. There are no conditions attached to the pardon.
 
The murder shocked the Darly Lai Curaçao community tremendously in 1979. In 2011, the case showed again stir dust after the option was included. In the new Criminal Code on conditional release (VI) lifelong prisoners In 2011, the request for VI Murray was handled by the Court, the first VI-case which was treated after the amendment of the Code. His application was rejected, among other things due to lack of treatment of his anti-social personality. Murray had in previous years been repeatedly asked for pardon from the governor.
 
Due Leoni Leidel-Schenk


http://www.notisia360.com/prinsipal/tata-di-darley-lai-pordona-asesino-james-murray/


(http://www.notisia360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/darley-lai.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

father of darley lai owing to forgive murderer james murray

13 october 2013

willemstad – roy lai and james murray owing to sit fast of another and cry. the enkuentro did take place friday last and owing to last diesinku minute. during all the añanan after of the asesinato with did take place on 23 of may 1979, roy lai owing to walk round with one inmenso angry and resientemente owing to take away one kampaña of company for deal at avoid with murray will owing to leave pound. yet, roy owing to decide with the is forgive murray. murray is interná in one home of kuido waystreet the is pasando his last momentunan of life because of kanser terminal. tomorrow roy lai is ekstendé notisia360 one interview eksklusivo.


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Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/250130/murray-krijgt-gratie-na-ruim-30-jaar-gevangenisstraf.html

Google translation:

Murray gets reprieve after more than 30 years in prison

04-04-2014 15:40 | NEWS | Editorial

- James Murray is set free. The spokesman of the Public Prosecutor (OM), Norman Serphos, confirmed this. Murray killed on May 23, 1979 Darly Lai, after which he was sentenced to life imprisonment. Because of his health, however, he brought forward now released.

Murray brought the girl stabbed in her back, neck and abdomen. He killed her own words to make the aunt of the girl who had broken. Relationship with him revenge The body he left behind on the plain of Hato. Murray has never shown remorse and leads to antisocial personality disorder with psychopathic and narcissistic traits. He has been in jail in the correction Institute Aruba, more than thirty years, but is now terminally ill.

First reprieve
by new legislation in Curaçao has sentenced to life imprisonment the right to be reassessed., after twenty years Murray made ​​a request for clemency, but on September 21, 2012, the court ruled that Murray could not conjugated released.

Second reprieve
Several months ago, the lawyer Murray again filed a petition for clemency, but this time for humanitarian reasons and that is assigned by the governor. That says a spokesman for the Public Prosecutor Norman Serphos opposite Radio Hoyer 2 . According to the prosecution, there are multiple opinions sought by the governor under the OM. What the opinion of the OM was and whether it was positive or negative, does not mean the spokesman. "The prosecution is quite often asked for advice and we do not comment on," said Serphos.

Ill
Murray is seriously ill and has already been transferred to Curacao for treatment. The condition of Murray has worsened in recent months, and he would not have to live long. According to the OM Murray will be transferred to Aruba.


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Post by: wreck on April 07, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
Always nice to see a brutal murderer of a little girl with "no remorse" freed for "humanitarian" reasons.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
What is wrong with these people? 


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Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2014, 09:10:41 PM
Some of the articles don't mention it at all, but some say he sexually assaulted her too.  I've also read that he'd raped another girl before this crime, she was 15 iirc.   

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.thedailyherald.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46983:james-murray-gets-clemency&catid=1:islands-news&Itemid=54

James Murray gets clemency
Monday, 07 April 2014 07:29

WILLEMSTAD--Child-killer James Murray was given a pardon by Curaçao's Governor Lucille George-Wout on advice of the Prosecutor's Office, as the convict is dying of cancer.

Murray had been an inmate of Aruba's KIA prison until early September last year, when an air-ambulance had to take him to Curaçao due to health complications. The man was given a life sentence in 1980 for the brutal murder of six-year-old girl Darley Lai in Curaçao.

Back on his native island Murray was kept at the Betèsda nursing home rather than prison due to his condition. He now has come to the point where he no longer can get out of bed and a humanitarian decision was made to let him spend the last days of his life at home with family.

Earlier requests for a pardon and early rerelease had been denied.


http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/155153/moord-op-darly-lai-een-reconstructie.html

Google translation:

Murder Darly Lai: a reconstruction

11-05-2012 12:50 | NEWS | Leoni Leidel-Schenk

CURACAO - The case on the possible early release of James Murray, who on May 23, 1979, the six Darly Lai killed, holds society in Curacao churning. The murder took both in 1979 and 2012, much unrest. Versgeperst.com put the events in a row.

On the morning of Wednesday, May 23, 1979 a woman with the initials HD appeared on the Kokolishi Kindergarten Too Big Quarter, and claimed that they are the six Darly Lai came to collect on behalf of her mother. The woman said she had to bring the girl. To her doctor

Permission
But later in the morning, a sister of the mother of Lai came to pick up the girl from school. After the sister heard the story about HD, the mother of Lai declaration made ​​equal to the police. She stated that she had given earlier to get her. Daughter out of school no permission

Investigation
Police continued the same day, a large search on rope and let tracing messages go through several radio and television stations. Later in the afternoon the woman HD reported to the police stating that she had picked up the girl. Commissioned by the 26-year-old James Murray Murray was arrested at 21:00 that night. The woman was arrested HD.

Confession
Murray initially denied any involvement, but explained the next morning at the crack of dawn still an entire confession. On instructions from Murray police found the body of Darly Lai at Hato. Her body and clothes were smeared with blood. The girl had several incised wounds in her neck, abdomen and side. The motive of the murder appeared to be between the aunt of Lai and Murray. The broken relationship The aunt wanted no relationship with Murray.

Light insanity
on Wednesday, October 17, 1979 the Public Prosecutor demanded a life sentence for the murder of Darly Lai. While Murray had made ​​a full confession on May 24, he pulled it back to the morning of the trial. He explained that the woman had stabbed the girl HD. According to the psychiatric report Murray was slightly insane.

"Unsurpassable"
The judge explained Murray on Wednesday, October 31 a sentence of twenty years. Lifelong found the judge is not in place, because there was no evidence in the psychiatric report that Murray was "unsurpassable". The psychiatrist recommended it not to go to an establishment in the Netherlands to send. Murray The prosecutor appealed.

New legislation
is meanwhile Murray, who is now 59 years old, 33 year. The last twelve years, he is in the correction Institute Aruba (KIA). The new legislation Criminal Curacao a prisoner serving a life has been given the right to be the Supreme Court, to determine whether he is eligible for parole. Evaluated after twenty years The new Penal Code of Curacao is adopted. On November 15, 2011

Postponement
Murray thus comes under the new law in order to be used by the High Court heard. Yesterday, the first session in the case took place. The Court decided yesterday to the matter set out to 6 September at 14:00, because the Court of Appeal would like to receive more pieces and wants to bend. themselves about the case more time

Thanks to the Newspaper cuttings Curaçao and National Library of Historical Newspapers



Podcast from 2012

http://sxmislandtime83248.podomatic.com/entry/2012-05-04T20_03_25-07_00

Sexual predator and murderer James Murray may be released, decision pending

PHILIPSBURG - James Murray, who sexually abused and murdered a 7 year old girl on the then island territory of Curacao some 32 years ago and is serving a life sentence for the gruesome crime, will know next week if he is eligible to be released on parole.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1540090#msg1540090
September 2012

(Headline)

Quote
James Murray will probably never be free


More about the case here, and interesting comments imo.

https://www.change.org/petitions/superior-court-of-justice-say-no-to-the-release-of-convicted-killer-james-murray



 ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-04-03/business/os-idrive-crime-rates-20140328_1_tourism-leaders-burglaries-crime


Quote
Consider Aruba.

When you hear that island's name, do you think of sugar-sand beaches and crystal-blue water? Or do you think of Natalee Holloway? Her disappearance remains part of the island's image almost nine years after she vanished.


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Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
So as of right now, trial scheduled for next April  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CaseSummar042014_zps92290772.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2014, 12:54:47 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: grace-land on April 16, 2014, 04:46:36 PM
 ::boxjoran::

Video at the link.  (Google translation to start the video--"Joran van der Slot and Peter R. de Vries about the wine incident (11-01-2008)
Click here to view the video in high quality and full screen view")

http://nos.nl/artikel/636566-pauw--witteman-stopt-na-8-jaar.html (http://nos.nl/artikel/636566-pauw--witteman-stopt-na-8-jaar.html)

Google translation

Pauw & Witteman stops after 8 years
Wednesday 16 May 2014 , 11:46 (Update : 16-04-14 , 13:02 )

The talk show Pauw & Witteman program stops at the end of this season . That the VARA announced .

Jeroen Pauw present a new daily talk show on the site of Pauw & Witteman after the summer. VARA Peacock regrets that cooperation comes to an end .

"I think with pleasure and warmth back to all those years of close collaboration with Paul Witteman , with whom I next previous programs such as NOVA Politics and The Desert Riders for the last eight years Pauw & Witteman made ​​," says Jeroen Pauw .

Paul Witteman new programs will be presenting on music, politics and science . " After eight years and about twelve broadcasts I noticed in the course of this season that I stand for something new ," said Witteman .

Newsmakers
In recent years, Pauw & Witteman controversial moments delivered . In 2008, Joran van der Sloot threw shortly after the broadcast a glass of wine in the face of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries .
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2014, 12:19:07 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/181157-een-zoon-heeft-zijn-vader-nodig

Google translation:

"A son needs his father '

TUESDAY, APRIL 15, 2014 16:51

ORANGE CITY - The convicted for trafficking Alex Mathew wants the period until his appeal is, wait in (limited) freedom. Before his new lawyer pleaded Maritza Boyce yesterday afternoon at the Court. According to her, Mathew has been established during an earlier suspension of detention that he can go with this freedom. Well to

By our reporter

"Mathew during his earlier statement in freedom, in the period from February 2012 to November 2013, proved that he is not a danger to society and he strictly adheres to the conditions," as advocates Boyce. In fact, she emphasizes its reporting was even reduced by the Prosecution to once a week twice a week and in the last months, he himself did not even have to register. "Mathew has in that period of his best side. He has rented a house for him and his family. He went to work as a consultant, and he has his son, guided and supported where necessary. "

And that is just now of great importance, as she explains, because the son of Mathew is in the final year of VWO and the guidance of his father desperately needed to successfully complete this school, and later to study law . "The care of his son is being carried by a 67-year-old aunt, but the son needs his father." Therefore Boyce requests immediate suspension of the imprisonment of Mathew until the investigation is completed. Boyce represents the pre-trial her Dutch colleague councilors Baris Kizilocak and Arnoud Kolmans. All three councilors involved in Mathews defense.

No emotional grounds d

According to the Acting Attorney General of the OM is not justified. These suspension "I see no emotional grounds on which the suspension can be based." According to the prosecution of suspects to support their families and Mathew is no exception. "Mathew may after serving his sentence picking up his normal life again," concludes the OM. The Court defines "ASAP" or Mathew allowed to await the process. Limited freedom "It is likely this week," said the Court.

Where are the files ?

At the request of Boyce will not yesterday afternoon the merits of the criminal place, but a pre-trial. The reason is that Boyce own words not the entire file, which fills five boxes of pages available. Where the complete dossier, according to the public at least partly owned by Mathew himself, standing remains enigmatic. Certainly the former lawyer of Mathew, John Zara, the entire file has been in your hands. If the Court Boyce whether it has done at Zara, inquiring she replied in the affirmative. However, Zara would have said that he has nothing of the document Strea matter into the hands and the documents would have referred to his former client Mathew. The prosecution emphasized this assertion. According to them, Zara, who was assisted by former lawyer Bram Moszkowicz, have held in Palm Beach. Firm would After Moszkowicz of the tableau was removed and Zara no longer acted as a lawyer, Zara has all the files from the property, with the exception of the strea-case requested. "It intrigues me," said the Court. "Where are the files?" Because the fingers seem to point to Mathew, the Court asks him if he knows where the file is. "I have only one part of the overall record," explains Mathew. "I've been a part of the OM and part of Zara. I do not know where the rest is. "

It is certain that the OM the complete file holds. Boyce asked whether they wish to provide. This to her free of charge It is here, after all, in addition lawyer, she suggests. And Boyce believes that "a defendant should not be hunted in his own defense by asking for a dime per page for case-cost". "It is no provision or settled that the prosecution may ask for a dime. Per page" The prosecution wants to meet her in this, but not for nothing. "We will not overcharge, because it is a pro-bono case, but because we have provided the file earlier and Mathew already owned parts of the file, we ask you to investigate what specific parts you might need. That we will provide. "

Dvd

Then there is also a DVD material. But no one who is present in the court case, seems to know exactly what material on the DVD is. The DVD can contain the entire Strea file, but only a part. Also this is provided to examine this material still missing. The message to Boyce The Court set the next hearing on June 16 at half 9. This will be tested if anyone has any documentation and research can begin.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2014, 02:44:57 AM
Wow, so bittersweet...

http://ink361.com/app/photo/ig-570945691337155655_5008128

Claire Fierman Mattison
@bearfierman_mattison
25 weeks ago

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Claire Fierman Mattison
@bearfierman_mattison
one week ago

Allow me to pour my hormonal mommy heart out..... These ladies have been a huge blessing in my life. Each are sweet, totally hilarious, and loving. We've sent thousands of texts (literally) and hundreds of pictures.... Today was our first day to all hang out in person as one big group. Truly grateful for my baby Mommas!!!!! Can't wait to one day be in the south again so Bertie can hang out all the time. Much love, ladies. (Not pictured... Elle Morris. )

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2014, 09:46:42 AM
How wonderful and how sad.  If only  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2014, 09:53:14 AM
 
How wonderful and how sad.  If only  ::MonkeyTears::

::rhino:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2014, 11:12:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2014, 11:29:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 09:51:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ce-5OWBNGNw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on April 26, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
Such beautiful rendition of Somewhere Over the Rainbow.  Another talent gone too soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
Such beautiful rendition.  Another talent gone too soon.

 ::rhino:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on April 26, 2014, 12:25:19 PM
 "teddybear2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

Suspects Facebook threats released

THURSDAY, APRIL 24, 2014 14:18

ORANGE CITY - Lucien W. and T. Jordany are no longer in detention. Both men were trapped after uttering threatening messages on social media in the direction of Prime Minister Mike Eman include ...
Read more ...


http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=10

Google translation:

CEA agent arrested after Facebook threat Minister

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 23, 2014 14:46

CEA agent arrested after Facebook threat Minister ORANGE CITY - Two suspects, including an employee of Cuerpo Especial Arubano (CEA), yesterday arrested by the police for threatening manifestations ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=25

Google translation:

"Mathew not currently at large '

TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 2014 14:52

ORANGE CITY - The convicted for trafficking Alex Mathew, the period until the next meeting in June not serve in freedom. That the Court has determined.
Read more ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2014, 12:47:56 PM
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/news/index.php?op=getNews&id=197843

The question no one wants to ask: What if Flight 370 is never found?
News Date: 25th April 2014

Quote
"In the beginning, it all consumes you. Everything in your life takes second place, goes on the back burner," Dave Holloway, the father of Natalee Holloway, told CNN last year.

The Alabama teen went missing on a trip to Aruba in 2005, and her body's never been found. The Holloway case captivated the country, and even now from time to time, a new lead in the case will make headlines.

"I feel for those families who are totally clueless," Halloway said. "At least we know who is responsible for our daughter's disappearance. They have no idea. At least we know."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on April 27, 2014, 07:00:39 PM
Video at the link

I think the translation should be "...not allowed to celebrate the union..."

http://laprensa.pe/actualidad/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-matrimonio-padre-universidad-alas-peruanas-24688 (http://laprensa.pe/actualidad/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-matrimonio-padre-universidad-alas-peruanas-24688)

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot to be a father and wants to marry his Peruvian girlfriend
Sunday, April 27, 2014 | 11:00

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot , who is serving his sentence in the Piedras Gordas , will become a father in a few months and therefore wants to marry his partner , a Peruvian girl named Lady Figueroa. Also, go to college and studies by correspondence.

The lawyer Max Highness , defending the confessed murderer , explained that this race started and International Business Administration at the University Peruvian Wings . The initiating these studies would allow request his release before reaching the 28 years to which he was sentenced for killing Stephany Flores university .

" It has 4 ( years in prison ) , in 5 or 6 years would be free ," he said .

He noted that the Dutchman intends to marry his girlfriend , who give birth to a boy in September. Figueroa Lady visits him every Wednesday in the criminal and , he told Atez , they are " in love."

In that sense , denied that his client wants to marry just to avoid extradition to the United States, where , when it recovers its freedom in Peru , will initiate a process for allegedly extorting money from the mother of Natalee Holloway, a young woman would also have killed.

Maximum Highness reported that the director of Piedras Gordas , Sergio Huapaya Aro , allowed to celebrate the union of Van der Sloot with Figueroa because, in his view, " is taking orders from others." For that reason we denounce criminally Monday.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on April 27, 2014, 07:07:16 PM
Edited by me...

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/vuile-shit-nederlander-joran-mag-niet-trouwen (http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/vuile-shit-nederlander-joran-mag-niet-trouwen)

Google translation

April 27, 2014 19:54
'Dirty s*** Dutchman "Joran should not marry

Joran van der Sloot is counteracted by the director of his prison. He can not marry him, saying Joran lawyer and fiancee.

The director of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima, according to the newspaper La Prensa against Joran's lawyer said that he orders from third parties "has been advised not to marry his fiancée Leidy. Dutchman According to the pregnant Leidy Director Joran should not: "He has said that he is a dirty s***-Dutchman."

Right to marry
Joran Leidy and have all the necessary papers to get married in the meantime. They just need the warden permission. Joran's lawyer says that tomorrow they go to court to "the right to marry" to enforce.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2014, 12:37:35 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 07, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140507/Advocaat-ziet-antitrouwcomplot-tegen-Van-der-Sloot (http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140507/Advocaat-ziet-antitrouwcomplot-tegen-Van-der-Sloot)

Google translation

Lawyer sees anti faithful conspiracy against Van der Sloot
Published: May 7, 2014 06:59 Last Updated: May 7, 2014 07:13

The father of Stephany Flores, the director of the prison where Joran van der Sloot stuck bribed so that the wedding plans of the Dutch not continue. Claims that at least his lawyer, Máximo Altez.

"This is absurd," said Edward Alvarez, counsel for father Ricardo Flores, in a reaction. Van der Sloot wants to marry his girlfriend Leidy Figueroa pregnant would be of him. His lawyer said earlier against Peruvian media that "third parties" by bribing the proposed marriage to frustrate.
 ::snipping3::
The Peruvian prison authority INPE will not comment on the accusation.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
Poor Joran (tough shit)  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 07, 2014, 04:55:59 PM
Poor Joran (tough shit)  ::boxjoran::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Thinking of Beth and her mom today.   ::MonkeyAngel::

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_Beth_hollowayfamilygal.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_Beth_hollowayfamilygal.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2014, 05:42:22 PM
My thoughts are also with Stefany's mom and family today.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 11, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 11, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 12, 2014, 09:10:29 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/12-05-2014/joran-van-der-sloot-se-casara-en-el-penal-de-piedras-gordas (http://www.larepublica.pe/12-05-2014/joran-van-der-sloot-se-casara-en-el-penal-de-piedras-gordas)

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot will marry in prison Piedras Gordas
Monday, May 12, 2014 | 2:50 pm

The confessed murderer of the young Stephanie Flores, Joran Van der Sloot, getting married in Piedras Gordas prison with Lady Figueroa, in what could be a ploy to avoid extradition to the United States.

The Dutch would join Figueroa during the first days of June, according to the procedures already performed in the Municipality of Ancon.

The marriage edict would be issued tomorrow and the ceremony would take place in the area of ​​prevention of criminal.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on May 12, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/12-05-2014/joran-van-der-sloot-se-casara-en-el-penal-de-piedras-gordas (http://www.larepublica.pe/12-05-2014/joran-van-der-sloot-se-casara-en-el-penal-de-piedras-gordas)

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot will marry in prison Piedras Gordas
Monday, May 12, 2014 | 2:50 pm

The confessed murderer of the young Stephanie Flores, Joran Van der Sloot, getting married in Piedras Gordas prison with Lady Figueroa, in what could be a ploy to avoid extradition to the United States.

The Dutch would join Figueroa during the first days of June, according to the procedures already performed in the Municipality of Ancon.

The marriage edict would be issued tomorrow and the ceremony would take place in the area of ​​prevention of criminal.
 ::snipping3::


No problem, the new Mrs. Van der Sloot can stay with me in Birmingham while her dear husband is on trial for extortion. 

I got room for her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 13, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-joran-van-der-sloot-set-to-be-married/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-joran-van-der-sloot-set-to-be-married/)

May 13, 2014, 9:42 AM
Report: Joran Van Der Sloot set to marry pregnant girlfriend

 ::snipping3::
According to Altez, the couple has purchased engagement rings and although the exact date of the marriage is not known, the ceremony should take place within the next month.

"Everything is ready, they've had the rings made and are looking into who the witnesses will be," a source told the newspaper Trome.

They bride-to-be could not be reached by reporters from the local TV station Frecuencia Latina, but a neighbor told them that he doubts Van Der Sloot is the father of Figueroa's child, according to the Peruvian newspaper La Prensa.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 13, 2014, 05:30:46 PM
http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-convicted-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-to-marry-peruvian-citizen-next-month-102958 (http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-convicted-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-to-marry-peruvian-citizen-next-month-102958)

Convicted murderer Joran Van der Sloot to marry Peruvian citizen next month
4 Hours ago
From El Comercio
Translated and adapted by Rachel Chase

 ::snipping3::
Anti-extradition strategy?

Van der Sloot’s interest in marriage seems to have gained momentum after March 9, when the Peruvian government approved the United States’ petition that he be extradited so he could face charges in connection with the Natalee Holloway case. If he marries a Peruvian national, current law holds that Van der Sloot would gain the nationality of his spouse, which could complicate an extradition.

However, Van der Sloot’s lawyer Altez says that there is no strategy in play, as the existing extradition treaty between the U.S. and Peru applies to citizens as well as foreigners.

In spite of Altez’s clarifications, it is clear that Van der Sloot has an interest in reducing his sentence. This is evidenced by his recent entry into a distance learning program in administration and international business with the Universidad Alas Peruanas. If he finishes the course of study successfully and gains a degree, he will have access to penitentiary benefits that could allow him to reduce his sentence.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
Think about how long we've been reading about this wedding...if THIS is even true.

 ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-convicted-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-to-marry-peruvian-citizen-next-month-102958

Quote
Though several days ago Van der Sloot’s lawyer Maximo Altez announced that the wedding announcement would be published soon, no local newspaper has received any such submission.

However, Ancon municipal authorities have confirmed that the paperwork for the marriage was initiated at the end of 2013 by Figueroa, who indicated that the ceremony would take place in the Piedras Gordas maximum security prison, which is located in the aforementioned district.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Might be interesting to know the whole story behind all of this BS.

Has Anita orchestrated it all?  Have to wonder. 

JMO

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-pregnant-jail-never-met-woman/

Joran Van Der Sloot ‘Has Never Met Woman Who Claims He Got Her Pregnant,’ Says Lawyer
Posted on Oct 9, 2012 @ 7:00AM

Quote
“It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant,” the convicted killer’s lawyer Aldo-Favio Cotrina told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview. “He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife,” he explained.

Quote
As Radar previously reported, a woman identified as “Leidi” told Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that the 25-year-old had knocked her up, but Cotrina revealed his client has never even met the impostor, who has since been named as Carol Figueroa Uceda.

Quote
Neither girl managed to gain access into the high security prison, as the only visitors he is allowed are his main attorney, Altez, and his mother, Anita.

“At Piedras Gordas, you go by the book and they only allow direct family,” said Cotrina.




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October 25, 2013



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2014, 11:45:07 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2014, 11:51:02 PM



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg.html)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 14, 2014, 12:56:18 AM
I think that the defense/his strategy now is to reduce his sentence (take college courses) and complicate the extradition (get married).  jmo

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/)

May 13, 2014, 3:17 PM
Joran van der Sloot's bride-to-be speaks to "Crimesider"

 ::snipping3::
Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to say "I do" on May 22 at about noon, according to Figueroa, who spoke to CBS News' Crimesider. The civil ceremony will take place inside the Piedras Gordas prison, where van der Sloot is serving a 28 year sentence for murder. Figueroa tells Crimesider that the witnesses will be van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer, Maximo Altez, and Figueroa's godmother.

Joran van der Sloot's family in Aruba will not be attending the wedding. But his mother has met his intended during her earlier visits to Peru.
 ::snipping3::
Figueroa has recently bought a house near the prison, and says she is five months pregnant with van der Sloot's child; the baby is due in September. According to van der Sloot's lawyer, the Dutchman is studying international business management through correspondence courses from a Peruvian university.

Figueroa tells Crimesider that Joran van der Sloot has transformed himself "into a new person." She also says that van der Sloot is enjoying his prison arts and crafts classes.

Van der Sloot had his lawyer get the wedding ring last year, according to Figueroa. The ring has a small stone, not a diamond. The bride is still looking for a wedding dress. She is also working on getting a permit to videotape and photograph the ceremony.

There will be no reception at the prison. But Peru media reports that van der Sloot has two close friends in Peidras Gordas. They are "Crazy David" Sanchez and "El Cholo" Payet, two soccer hooligans each serving 35 years for a homicide during a soccer game in 2011.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2014, 09:32:27 AM
I think that the defense/his strategy now is to reduce his sentence (take college courses) and complicate the extradition (get married).  jmo

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/)

May 13, 2014, 3:17 PM
Joran van der Sloot's bride-to-be speaks to "Crimesider"

 ::snipping3::
Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to say "I do" on May 22 at about noon, according to Figueroa, who spoke to CBS News' Crimesider. The civil ceremony will take place inside the Piedras Gordas prison, where van der Sloot is serving a 28 year sentence for murder. Figueroa tells Crimesider that the witnesses will be van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer, Maximo Altez, and Figueroa's godmother.

Joran van der Sloot's family in Aruba will not be attending the wedding. But his mother has met his intended during her earlier visits to Peru.
 ::snipping3::
Figueroa has recently bought a house near the prison, and says she is five months pregnant with van der Sloot's child; the baby is due in September. According to van der Sloot's lawyer, the Dutchman is studying international business management through correspondence courses from a Peruvian university.

Figueroa tells Crimesider that Joran van der Sloot has transformed himself "into a new person." She also says that van der Sloot is enjoying his prison arts and crafts classes.

Van der Sloot had his lawyer get the wedding ring last year, according to Figueroa. The ring has a small stone, not a diamond. The bride is still looking for a wedding dress. She is also working on getting a permit to videotape and photograph the ceremony.

There will be no reception at the prison. But Peru media reports that van der Sloot has two close friends in Peidras Gordas. They are "Crazy David" Sanchez and "El Cholo" Payet, two soccer hooligans each serving 35 years for a homicide during a soccer game in 2011.
 ::snipping3::


(bolded by me)
If the news articles are true and he's taking courses and getting married, I agree with you grace-land.   ::rhino:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 14, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627942/Joran-Van-Der-Sloot-marry-five-months-pregnant-girlfriend-maximum-security-Peruvian-prison-bride-claims-killer-transformed-new-person.html

Joran Van Der Sloot to marry pregnant girlfriend in maximum security Peruvian prison as bride-to-be claims killer has ‘transformed into new person'

Published: 03:26 EST, 14 May 2014  | Updated: 14:59 EST

A pregnant bride-to-be has confirmed her plans to marry a convicted killer in a Peruvian jail who is wanted in the U.S. over the disappearance of another woman.

Leidy Figueroa is planning to wed Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is currently serving 28 years in jail for the murder of local college student Stephany Flores in 2010

The site will not let me copy and paste any more of the article. It is a long article with pictures, and comments.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Nancy Grace tonight... "Natalee Holloway Murder Suspect To Wed Behind Bars"

Jossy was on the phone.  He said the response there had generally been of astonishment because these things aren't allowed on Aruba. 

Joran's lawyer says Joran is working to make himself a better person. 

Well good golly gee wizzzzz, he might as well; he's got plenty of time to work on it!   ::boxjoran::

Whatever differences in the Peruvian law and Dutch law that according to Jossy doesn't allow the same privileges Joran is enjoying; at least Peru prosecuted the POS and he's in prison. 

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on May 14, 2014, 09:27:08 PM
Somebody somewhere paid this chick something to marry this somebody.

Bet your bottom dollar.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 14, 2014, 10:39:40 PM
Nancy Grace tonight... "Natalee Holloway Murder Suspect To Wed Behind Bars"

Jossy was on the phone.  He said the response there had generally been of astonishment because these things aren't allowed on Aruba. 

Joran's lawyer says Joran is working to make himself a better person. 

Well good golly gee wizzzzz, he might as well; he's got plenty of time to work on it!   ::boxjoran::

Whatever differences in the Peruvian law and Dutch law that according to Jossy doesn't allow the same privileges Joran is enjoying; at least Peru prosecuted the POS and he's in prison

JMO



bbm ^^^  ::rhino::
 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2014, 11:36:13 PM
Personally I think it's all BS to make money from the tabloids  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Red on May 15, 2014, 07:18:58 AM
Imprisoned Murderer Joran van der Sloot to Marry 23 Year Old Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda, Pregnant With His Child … Something Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores Will Never Experience

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/05/15/imprisoned-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-to-marry-23-year-old-leydi-carol-figueroa-uceda-pregnant-with-his-child-something-natalee-holloway-stephany-flores-will-never-experience/

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May 2005 Natalee Holloway goes missing in Aruba while on vacation with other teens from Mountainbrook, Alabama and Joran van der Sloot was and still is the primary suspect in all rational thinking people’s minds in her disappearance and death. Five years to the day that Natalee went missing, May 2010 Joran van der Sloot murders 21 year old Stephany Flores and later confesses to the crime and is eventually found guilty and sentenced to 28 years in prison in Peru. Now May 2014, Joran van der Sloot through his attorney tells the world that the sociopath is getting married  in a couple of weeks to  23 year old Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda, who is pregnant with his child. Coincidence, hardly.

Sadly, neither Natalee Holloway nor Stephany Flores will ever be able to experience the joys of marriage or being a parent. Yet this sociopath is allowed to do both. One day there will be a reckoning Joran and it will not be pretty.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2014, 09:11:22 AM
Personally I think it's all BS to make money from the tabloids  ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
Also, IMO any woman stupid enough to marry the demon seed deserves anything that happens to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2014, 07:56:29 PM
Personally I think it's all BS to make money from the tabloids  ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
Somebody somewhere paid this chick something to marry this somebody.

Bet your bottom dollar.

The prime suspect IMO.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152468140908336&set=a.466414958335.257065.582598335&type=1&source=11

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10252123_10152468140908336_5865920729335178551_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
Somebody somewhere paid this chick something to marry this somebody.

Bet your bottom dollar.

The prime suspect IMO.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152468140908336&set=a.466414958335.257065.582598335&type=1&source=11

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10252123_10152468140908336_5865920729335178551_n.jpg)

 ::rhino:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 15, 2014, 09:46:02 PM
Sooo, where is that published marriage announcement--hmmm? (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/146fs495919.gif)

http://www.localnews8.com/news/Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-marry-become-father/25983870 (http://www.localnews8.com/news/Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-marry-become-father/25983870)
Joran van der Sloot to marry, become father
POSTED: 04:47 PM MDT May 14, 2014
UPDATED: 05:57 PM MDT May 14, 2014

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In compliance with Peruvian law, van der Sloot's attorney is publishing his client's intent to marry in newspapers across Peru on Thursday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joran-van-der-sloots-bride-to-be-speaks-to-cbs-news-crimesider/)
May 13, 2014, 3:17 PM
Joran van der Sloot's bride-to-be speaks to "Crimesider"

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Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to say "I do" on May 22 at about noon, according to Figueroa, who spoke to CBS News' Crimesider.

http://www.expatperu.com/marrying-a-peruvian-in-peru.html (http://www.expatperu.com/marrying-a-peruvian-in-peru.html)
Marrying a Peruvian in Peru

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Once you have all this paperwork together, you’ll take everything back to the municipal building, pick the date, and pay for the ceremony.  In some cases, you may be required to post a marriage announcement that runs for 7 days, and gives anyone with due cause fair warning and a chance to speak out against your upcoming nuptials. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2014, 11:21:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gq2OHj004

http://www.youtube.com/v/r-gq2OHj004


Joran van der Sloot to marry pregnant girlfriend in prison

HLN HLN·14,908 videos
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Published on May 14, 2014

An attorney for convicted killer Joran van der Sloot says his client is set to marry his Peruvian girlfriend – who is five-months pregnant – in a ceremony that will take place at a maximum security prison. For more on this story, watch Nancy Grace weeknights at 8 p.m. ET on HLN. Follow the show on Facebook, and follow Nancy on Twitter. For more information please visit http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/05/14...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Yeah...ok...whatever.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.inquisitr.com/1252037/joran-van-der-sloot-convicted-murderer-enjoys-enchanted-prison-life-as-expectant-father-and-groom/

Joran van der Sloot: Convicted Murderer Enjoys Enchanted Prison Life As Expectant Father And Groom

 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2014, 12:45:31 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg.html)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on May 16, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
If Joran was trying to make himself a better person he'd tell Beth what happened to Natalee.

Having a baby by any van der Sloot is just crazy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2014, 10:32:31 PM
If Joran was trying to make himself a better person he'd tell Beth what happened to Natalee.

Having a baby by any van der Sloot is just crazy.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
If Joran was trying to make himself a better person he'd tell Beth what happened to Natalee.

Having a baby by any van der Sloot is just crazy.

Exactly.

This is no different than the claims he made in the emails that started the extortion scheme.

The desire to be a better person can't exist without the desire to right this grievous wrong.

Joran is concerned with how to get out the fastest, that's it.

The home cooked meals are probably pretty important too.  He never has looked like he's missing any meals.

If she can carry home cooked meals in, guess she probably could've carried some condoms in as well?  Or maybe that's the point, to make everyone believe the monster has reproduced?  If he did, he won't be a dad in any sense of the word other than a sperm donor.  If there is a child and it's his maybe she was paid to do it?  I can't imagine she would choose to live with the responsibility of another child as a single parent (married or not in this case since he's locked up) plus the stigma attached to the child of a monster; without some sort of payoff or promise of support.  Leidy doesn't strike me as being from a well to do family, and reports are that she's a student.  What kind of income does she have?  Not sure how it works there, will government assistance take care of Joran's child while he's in prison?  If it's true, I just feel bad for the child.  They didn't have a choice to be brought into that mess.

JMO 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2014, 03:28:31 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/183366-arrestaties-wegens-diefstallen-uit-koffers-luchthaven

Google translation:

Arrests for theft from suitcases airport   
SATURDAY, MAY 17, 2014 13:54

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2014-05-17-4217139-350x233.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - Traveller complaining for some time that stuff out of their bags disappear at Reina Beatrix airport. In response to these complaints started the airport and later a judicial investigation. Last Thursday, three employees of the company Genair arrested at the airport. They are suspected of theft.

By our reporter

Alex Lacl e

About a month ago, even though two people were arrested in connection with the investigation. The suspects, an employee and a former employee of the same company, are still in detention pending case treatment in court. Monday the new suspects to appear before the magistrate. That assesses the arrests have been lawful and that the defendants should be held. Longer

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The investigation is still ongoing and more arrests are not ruled out, that leaves the Public Prosecutor (OM) request to Amigoe know. The complaints and claims about missing possessions since the middle of last year in research by airport authority AAA. Through the website of the airport were reportedly many complaints from travelers returning home found that they lacked certain possessions. According to the prosecution, however, is not just theft from luggage of departing passengers but were also cases of arriving passengers not safe. Last Thursday, three arrests were made ​​at the airport and so was also seized a car from a Genair employee and searched. The staff responsible for baggage on the ground, should the suitcases in the luggage loading in aircraft open, looking for valuables.

Difficult investigations k

It is a difficult investigation, let OM spokesperson Ann Angela know. "The problem is that the victims are so spread out." She explains that submit duped travelers from Seattle for example at another airport a claim. "That's not even to us." Moreover, research on airport Reina Beatrix not easy. Everyone must be provided with a pass and has a specific function. When detectives at the airport, everyone there quickly informed. There is CCTV but not all places, such as in the aircraft hold.

Calls p

The prosecution calls on travelers who in recent months have flown and possessions are lost, but have done to nevertheless register with their story to the police. No declaration That can personally the police station in Shaba, but also in writing, according to the prosecution.

Schand e

The theft tarnish the image of Aruba and the airport, so let it shine through OM. "Travellers should be assured that their luggage is safe. From" It's not the first security incident at Reina Beatrix. Was rolled a large, organized drug gang that was involved in smuggling drugs through the airport. Few months back A few years back came the catering company Calloway, which include food supplies to airlines, discredited when it turned out that the company's employees helped to hide in trolleys in drug trafficking by drugs and so to get on the plane.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Why are they protecting the identity of the person in handcuffs?  Maybe so traveler's won't be shocked when they see him right back at work in no time?  smh

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on May 17, 2014, 07:57:25 PM
So, did I see previously a pic of the mother to be  with the mother of the killer?

They have met?

Hmmmmmm....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 17, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Has Anita had a nip and tuck?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
So, did I see previously a pic of the mother to be  with the mother of the killer?

They have met?

Hmmmmmm....

I can't find it right now, but I know one of the article's said (from Crimesider interview iirc) that Leidy met Anita when Anita visited Peru.  But apparently Leidy also went to Aruba and was there for the dedication of the new classrooms at ISA.  There are other pics on Leidy's FB page too from the trip to Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1588559#msg1588559

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda?fref=ts

Carol Figueroa



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Has Anita had a nip and tuck?

Wouldn't surprise me, I've wondered if she's drinking more and not eating with Sebas away at school now?

She quite often appears to have a drink nearby, if not in hand.   ::MonkeyDevil::

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on May 18, 2014, 11:48:49 AM
So, did I see previously a pic of the mother to be  with the mother of the killer?

They have met?

Hmmmmmm....

I can't find it right now, but I know one of the article's said (from Crimesider interview iirc) that Leidy met Anita when Anita visited Peru.  But apparently Leidy also went to Aruba and was there for the dedication of the new classrooms at ISA.  There are other pics on Leidy's FB page too from the trip to Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1588559#msg1588559

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda?fref=ts

Carol Figueroa



Thanks for the reply and the link to her FB.

Wow.  Who paid for her trip to Aruba?  (Wink, wink)

Not only is this a scheme but a scheme to make money eventually after the devil's child is born.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2014, 12:22:32 PM
Has Anita had a nip and tuck?

Anita's FB profile picture from about a month ago...she said it was taken 24 years ago.

She must have hidden it on her timeline, I don't see it now. 

https://www.facebook.com/hugen1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/3073c43c-82cf-4e9c-ad90-f0a4b4a72dff_zpse2d31eeb.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Van%20der%20Sloot/3073c43c-82cf-4e9c-ad90-f0a4b4a72dff_zpse2d31eeb.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/75ad4153-0284-4731-ac1b-d2ef5dc71415_zpsb2f79e5d.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Van%20der%20Sloot/75ad4153-0284-4731-ac1b-d2ef5dc71415_zpsb2f79e5d.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 18, 2014, 02:21:33 PM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-pide-invitados-su-boda-2008225 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-pide-invitados-su-boda-2008225)

Google translation

Sunday May 18, 2014 | 8:10
Joran Van der Sloot asked guests at her wedding

Through a letter, Joran Van der Sloot and his girlfriend Leydi Figueroa asked the prison director 'Piedras Gordas' allow entry of 10 guests to her wedding, to be held in June, said his lawyer Max Highness.

"Fair is entering Leydi relatives and by Joran, a guest of the embassy, ​​but let's see what they respond because they just want to be witnesses," he told Trome.  ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 18, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
Who did Leydi marry in 2012?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 18, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
Who did Leydi marry in 2012?

As far as I know, she didn't marry anyone--yet.  It seems that anytime there is a new development reported regarding the extradition, we hear she is pregnant and/or a wedding is being planned with Joran.    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Some news from 2012...

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/joran-van-der-sloot-not-getting-married-lawyer-exclusive/ (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/joran-van-der-sloot-not-getting-married-lawyer-exclusive/)
No Wedding Bells For Joran! Reports Of Van Der Sloot’s Marriage ‘Are A Joke,’ Says His Lawyer
Posted on Jul 20, 2012 @ 12:30PM

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Reports spread like wild fire this week that convicted killer Joran van der Sloot was planning to tie the knot with a mystery bride in his Peruvian prison, but RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that he is not set to wed.

“He is not getting married. That was a joke. Some people are trying to tarnish his image,” his attorney Aldo Cotrina told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview. “I spoke with Joran last week, he said face-to-face that he is not going to get married.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
Who did Leydi marry in 2012?

Good question.

Maybe we were supposed to believe she'd married the monster then...who knows?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

What are the odds of this woman innocently being the victim of rumors of being Joran's girlfriend and having his "firstborn" three years ago, to which she eventually claimed to not even know Joran and begged everyone to leave her alone; when now she's supposedly five months pregnant by him and giving interviews about their upcoming wedding?

Some of the reports from 2011...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1400292#msg1400292


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2014, 08:55:00 AM
Whatever it takes to get the attention of the National Enquirer  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 19, 2014, 08:56:34 AM
Whatever it takes to get the attention of the National Enquirer  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
Article from last week, but it had a couple details that I hadn't read before.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/14/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/


Attorney: Joran van der Sloot to marry in Peruvian prison, become father


By Rafael Romo, Senior Latin American Affairs Editor
updated 12:37 PM EDT, Thu May 15, 2014

(CNN) -- He's serving a 28-year sentence for killing a Peruvian woman. He's also the main suspect in the disappearance of an American teenage girl. But these days, Joran van der Sloot is more focused on his wedding plans than his legal situation.

Maximo Altez, van der Sloot's Peruvian defense attorney, told CNN the 26-year-old Dutch national is getting married "in late May or early June" to a Peruvian woman he befriended in the prison in which he's being held in Lima, the capital.

"They met when she was visiting a relative in prison. They became friends and spent a lot of time together in his cell," Altez said. "Unlike The United States, here in Peru loved ones or relatives can see inmates inside their jails."

Leydi Carol Figueroa Uceda, 23, the bride-to-be, is expecting a baby boy fathered by van der Sloot, according to Altez. She's five months' pregnant. The accountant has a 2-year-old boy from a previous relationship.

"He's very happy about getting married. Since his girlfriend is pregnant, he wants his child to be born to a married couple and he's anxiously awaiting the day he can get married," Altez said.

According to the defense attorney, the small, private wedding will be held in the prison's chapel.

 ::snipping3::

But Altez, his defense attorney, dismissed the suggestion that the wedding is a legal maneuver to avoid extradition, saying the wedding shouldn't be "a big deal."

"He's getting married because he's in love and is having a child. There are no hidden agendas," Altez said. The inmate will be able to meet the baby after delivery.

In compliance with Peruvian law, van der Sloot's attorney is publishing his client's intent to marry in newspapers across Peru on Thursday.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2014, 08:46:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/14/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/

From the comments:


Quote
Cuddly Kim • 5 days ago

"Mommy - how did you and daddy meet?"
"Aww - baby, it was the most romantic story... Daddy was in jail for murdering a girl, and.."



Quote
Life is good. • 6 days ago

There's nothing quite like playing a little ball with your kids in the prison yard.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on May 21, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
Accountant????? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
From the comment section, I pretty much agree with Carolyn Nuss ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2014, 02:40:31 PM
From the comment section, I pretty much agree with Carolyn Nuss ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2014, 12:46:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/22643543/__Uitbraak_gevangenis_Aruba__.html

Google translation:

Mon May 19, 2014, 23:48| read on

Venezuelans escaped from prison Aruba

ORANGE CITY -
Two Venezuelan men are Monday escaped from prison in Aruba. It comes to men of 26 and 32 years who were detained for committing a bank robbery, so police said.
 
Be described as violent and dangerous. Two It seems that they have escaped by themselves with homemade tools early morning a way to pave over the fence.

Last week, even though two men escaped from the prison of Curacao. They did so by overpowering guards and then climb. Over the fence Of the escaped prisoners on both Aruba and Curaçao still no trace.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 05:02:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing/photos/a.134644599887359.18888.123013127717173/783589058326240/?type=1

Natalee Holloway Resource Center
1 hr ·

On this day in 2005 Natalee Holloway graduated from high school. Six days later she went missing in Aruba never to be found again. Please educate yourself and others on the safety of traveling internationally and domestically. www.crimemuseum.org/help-the-missing

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2014, 05:19:44 PM
Nine years, wow  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 08:27:47 PM
The recent Dutch documentary, nothing new really but I thought some of it was interesting. 

One interesting thing imo being how so many close to the case refused to talk about the case at all.  But then they have Mr. Pink on the phone to let everyone know in all the time he spent on Aruba he'd never even met Joran, and was never questioned in the investigation.  Also thought it was interesting that they detail the theory about Steve Croes having a boat available that night, Freddy...calling themselves pimps...the hotel rooms...are all mentioned; but no mention at all of Koen, Sander, or their boat and the fact that Joran had been invited out on their boat that night.  Maybe there aren't any notes in the police file about the quick sale of that boat and the Gottenbos family leaving Aruba so soon after Natalee's disappearance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7aWvivmXi8

http://www.youtube.com/v/l7aWvivmXi8

Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYDAor82sgU

Greta Van Susteren

Published on May 16, 2014

After Natalee Holloway's disappearance in 2005, her mother and I went to Joran van der Sloot's house to get answers.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rYDAor82sgU



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 08:45:07 PM
 ::lookie::

May 22nd was the big day, right?  Did I miss the pictures and video?

Maybe so, apparently I missed the announcement in the papers too!

 ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/05/20/5834486/former-curacao-prime-minister.html

Former Curacao prime minister held for questioning
Posted Tuesday, May. 20, 2014

The Associated Press

WILLEMSTAD, Curacao — A former prime minister of Curacao was arrested and ordered held Tuesday for questioning in a money-laundering investigation.

Gerrit Schotte will be held for an initial period of questioning, the Public Prosecutor's office said in a statement. His longtime girlfriend was also arrested. If prosecutors want to hold Schotte beyond 48 hours, they will need a court order under the legal system in the southern Caribbean island.

Investigators searched Schotte's home in December and seized a computer and documents.

Schotte said in a TV interview shortly before he was taken into custody that he expected to be cleared of wrongdoing.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2014, 11:28:36 PM
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/05/20/5834486/former-curacao-prime-minister.html

Former Curacao prime minister held for questioning
Posted Tuesday, May. 20, 2014

The Associated Press

WILLEMSTAD, Curacao — A former prime minister of Curacao was arrested and ordered held Tuesday for questioning in a money-laundering investigation.

Gerrit Schotte will be held for an initial period of questioning, the Public Prosecutor's office said in a statement. His longtime girlfriend was also arrested. If prosecutors want to hold Schotte beyond 48 hours, they will need a court order under the legal system in the southern Caribbean island.

Investigators searched Schotte's home in December and seized a computer and documents.

Schotte said in a TV interview shortly before he was taken into custody that he expected to be cleared of wrongdoing.

 ::snipping3::

http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/05/21/fmr-curacao-pm-arrested-willemstad/

Fmr. Curaçao PM arrested in Willemstad   

Posted by Maxime Zech on 8:56 CEST, Wednesday, 21, May, 2014 in Crime, Politics

 ::snipping3::

The Department of Justice announced in December that Schotte was suspected of whitewashing money and forgery. At that time, the police exercised a home raid and also searched Schotte’s party offices.

His room in Parliament was also searched. The investigation was performed after some dozen reports came in at the Unusual Transactions Report Center (MOT).

The former Prime Minister’s name appears 50 times in the register that is managed by the MOT. This concerns substantial cash deposits on accounts held by Schotte, in the period when he was a delegate in the Island Council of Curaçao. A sum of €350,000 is being reported by the NOS.

According to the paper, Schotte is also being brought into connection with Sicilian Mafia boss Francesco Corallo, who is thought to have deposited large sums of cash in Schotte’s party fund, the MFK. These sums went through a company with which Schotte’s girlfriend is affiliated.

It is illegal on Curaçao to take funds from people and legal persons who are not based on the island, or who do not live on Curaçao.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENLAND/article/detail/3659087/2014/05/21/Laatste-uitzending-Pauw-Witteman-ruim-2-keer-zo-lang-als-normaal.dhtml

Last show Pauw & Witteman more than twice as long as normal

21-05-14 15:56 PM - Source: Reuters / buzze

Jeroen Pauw and Witteman Paul say goodbye to their talk show Pauw & Witteman on Netherlands 1. Friday is the last broadcast, with another 2 hours long.

The presenters will continue to own programs. Witteman is a program to do the next season of music, while Peacock in his own talk show is present. Peacock presented the P & W program, moreover, already alone when his partner in 2010, took some time out of circulation due to prostate cancer treatment. By way of farewell sent VARA this week after the latest news highlights from 8 years Pauw & Witteman. Some remarkable things in the show itself came this week over the past few years had occurred in the café. Wine Incident Remarkably, the so-called wine incident during the broadcast of February 4, 2008. Joran van der Sloot threw when crime reporter Peter R. de Vries glass of wine in the face. According to De Vries, Van der had Sloot know more about the disappearance of 18-year-old American Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. Broadcast was for many years with over 2 million viewers, the most watched episode of the show. Only the broadcast of April 30, 2013, which was back at the inauguration of King Willem-Alexander marched with more than 2.1 million viewers.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.622667624468586.1073741968.237687699633249&type=3

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 26, 2014, 12:54:41 PM
Freddy is one of the few of the old crowd you still see out and about. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on May 28, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
Prime Minister Gerrit Schotte
(http://www.planetrulers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/curacao-prime-minister-Gerrit-Schotte.jpg)


https://www.facebook.com/schottegerrit

How they laundered the money.
Paulus did a lot of business.
He was a high-stakes gambler
He went to the bank to deposit Jorans winnings, transfer money.
You mix it with tourist money.
You have accounts overseas like Julia Renfro





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2014, 09:06:23 PM
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/05/the_week_in_birmingham_history_9.html

The Week in Birmingham History: Nixon visited; NAACP banned; Natalee Holloway vanished

By Jeremy Gray | jgray@al.com

on May 25, 2014 at 7:00 AM, updated May 25, 2014 at 7:13 AM

 ::snipping3::

MAY 30:

2005: Natalee Holloway disappeared during a vacation in Aruba.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 29, 2014, 10:19:34 PM
As it is going to be the 9th Anniversary on May 30, 2014, please consider lighting a candle for Natalee.  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2014, 10:45:43 PM
Nine years ago.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photogallery/holloway/friends-gallery-063005.jpg)
Their high school graduation trip to Aruba should have been a memory they could always cherish, but it didn't end that way. 

Where is she?   ::boxjoran::

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
Edit to add link

Nine years ago.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.crimelibrary.com/photogallery/natalie-holloway.html?curPhoto=5

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photogallery/holloway/friends-gallery-063005.jpg)
Their high school graduation trip to Aruba should have been a memory they could always cherish, but it didn't end that way. 

Where is she?   ::boxjoran::

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 30, 2014, 10:49:25 PM
Justice for Natalee!!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2014, 11:10:46 PM
Love you always, Natalee!  ::MonkeyHeart::

Justice for Natalee!  ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2014, 12:15:22 AM
 ::justice2nj2::  9 Years, still here for you!  ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=53226497

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez

(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2010/167/53226497_127678019762.jpg)

Birth:    Jul. 22, 1988, Peru
Death:    May 30, 2010
Lima
Lima, Peru

Crime Victim. Stephany Flores Ramirez was a business student less than a year from graduation at the University of Lima. Her father was Peruvian businessman, Ricardo Flores and her mother was Marielena Ramirez. Ricardo Flores, a former race car driver and politician, buried his daughter in the famous Jardines de la Paz cemetery. A suspect Joran van der Sloot was arrested in Chile and was returned to Peru as of June 4, 2010. Earlier, Joran van der Sloot was a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen, 
Note: Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba on May 30, 2005.

 
Burial:
Jardines de la Paz
Lima
Lima, Peru
Plot: Flores


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7645.msg1145348#msg1145348

Quote
Ricardo Flores: "My daughter will be happy that this murderer pays his guilt"

With some relief, knowing the author's detention of the death of her daughter and despite the pain Ricardo Flores' employer, greeted the Chilean Police caught the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, as he left Santiago in the direction of Viña del Mar.

"I hope my daughter is happy to know that this murderer is going to pay what he has done," dismay businessman Ricardo Flores, during the wake of the remains of her daughter Tatiana Stephany at a church in Chacarilla, Surco.

At the same time reminded the U.S. murdered in Aruba by the same person who killed her daughter and that meant "as a tool in the case of my daughter that this murderer pay for his sins."

http://www.cronicaviva.com.pe/content/view/117242/35/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2014, 03:18:10 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

JUSTICE IS COMING!

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2014, 08:18:39 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

JUSTICE IS COMING!

::MonkeyAngel::

 ::justice2nj2::

Hi KTF!!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2014, 12:00:44 PM
Another man found hanging in Aruba, 32 years old.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20140531/18293/Homber_a_horca_curpa_na_e_area_di_Noord_polis_investigando_e_caso

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to horca curpa at the area of north, police investigando the caso
1 day happen come across, 31 of half 2014 07:02

saturday morning owing to enter informe of cu owing to descubri one curpa horca at the rostrum at the veld of centro of district north, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come encontra the curpa without life of one young masculino back sunu bao of the rostrum at the veld. police owing to avisa all autoridad competente y owing to start one investigacion. in the investigacion owing to come succeed saca afo cu here is deal the young r.r.k. of barely 32 year, odd or for clean casualidad cu his father self owing to fayece just one year happen. at famianan of the fayecido is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2014, 12:20:35 PM
huh, imagine that....   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20140530/18290/Posiblemente_tin_un_investigacion_grandi_andando_den_cuerpo_policial_pa_cierto

Papiamentu translation:

posiblemente have one investigacion big andando in cuerpo policial for cierto irregularidadnan

1 day happen come across, 30 of may 2014 16:33

seccion: incidente

at we oidonan owing to arrive the informacion super-confidencial of cu the dianan here have one investigacion andando in cuerpo policial for some irregularidadnan cu owing to come is pasando. mucho detaye of investigacion here not can being give already cu this can spite the investigacion. muy soon will can hear that or kendenan is the autornan of the irregularidadnan here. because the irregularidadnan here not mag sosode in we cuerpo policial already cu this is stroba trabaonan y is atacha the credibilidad of police.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on June 01, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
::justice2nj2::  9 Years, still here for you!  ::justice2nj2::
   Me Too


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on June 02, 2014, 02:09:22 PM
::justice2nj2::  9 Years, still here for you!  ::justice2nj2::

And I will be an old woman waiting for Joran to arrive in Birmingham.

You can bank on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
::justice2nj2::  9 Years, still here for you!  ::justice2nj2::

And I will be an old woman waiting for Joran to arrive in Birmingham.

You can bank on it.

 ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2nj2::  ::monkeyflag3:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 03, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/entertainment/joran-van-der-sloot-wordt-vader-van-dochter (http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/entertainment/joran-van-der-sloot-wordt-vader-van-dochter)

Google translation

2 hours 47 minutes ago
"Joran van der Sloot is father to daughter '

The future wife of Joran van der Sloot is pregnant with a girl.

That told his lawyer on Tuesday Shownews. Joran girlfriend Leidy has let demonstrating that they have four months the parents of a girl an ultrasound. According to the lawyer, the Peruvian woman is doing well.

Peruvian media reported last month, that Joran would get a baby boy. The Dutchman is in Peru a sentence of 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on June 03, 2014, 09:05:57 PM
Devil's child - IF it is even his.

We should all demand a paternity test.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/ex-nypd-commish-bernie-kerik-a-rod-attorney-tacopina-ran-racket-article-1.1816132 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/ex-nypd-commish-bernie-kerik-a-rod-attorney-tacopina-ran-racket-article-1.1816132)

Ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik claims A-Rod attorney Joseph Tacopina ran a racket law firm, had affairs with TV stars and abused drugs

The explosive lawsuit filed Tuesday in Manhattan Federal Court charges Tacopina, who once represented Kerik, with fraud and malpractice. The suit also claims Tacopina engaged in extramarital affairs, including with an unnamed TV personality and the wife of a client.

BY Teri Thompson , Michael O'keeffe , Nathaniel Vinton
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 10:15 PM

 It was a full-service firm: extortion, drug abuse, betrayal, fraud, extramarital affairs — even racketeering.

Celebrity attorney Joseph Tacopina did it all, according to a bombshell complaint filed in Manhattan Federal Court Court on Tuesday night by his one-time close friend and client, former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik.

The RICO complaint, amended from Kerik’s January lawsuit charging Tacopina with fraud and malpractice, seeks a judge’s order to dissolve Tacopina’s law firm and asks for treble damages and a jury trial.

The complaint says Tacopina, who recently represented Yankees slugger Alex Rodriguez in an unsuccessful bid to escape a steroid ban, engaged in “a pattern of racketeering activity” beginning in 2006 and continuing through the present.

 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2014, 09:13:28 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/ex-nypd-commish-bernie-kerik-a-rod-attorney-tacopina-ran-racket-article-1.1816132 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/ex-nypd-commish-bernie-kerik-a-rod-attorney-tacopina-ran-racket-article-1.1816132)

Ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik claims A-Rod attorney Joseph Tacopina ran a racket law firm, had affairs with TV stars and abused drugs

The explosive lawsuit filed Tuesday in Manhattan Federal Court charges Tacopina, who once represented Kerik, with fraud and malpractice. The suit also claims Tacopina engaged in extramarital affairs, including with an unnamed TV personality and the wife of a client.

BY Teri Thompson , Michael O'keeffe , Nathaniel Vinton
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 10:15 PM

 It was a full-service firm: extortion, drug abuse, betrayal, fraud, extramarital affairs — even racketeering.

Celebrity attorney Joseph Tacopina did it all, according to a bombshell complaint filed in Manhattan Federal Court Court on Tuesday night by his one-time close friend and client, former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik.

The RICO complaint, amended from Kerik’s January lawsuit charging Tacopina with fraud and malpractice, seeks a judge’s order to dissolve Tacopina’s law firm and asks for treble damages and a jury trial.

The complaint says Tacopina, who recently represented Yankees slugger Alex Rodriguez in an unsuccessful bid to escape a steroid ban, engaged in “a pattern of racketeering activity” beginning in 2006 and continuing through the present.

 ::snipping3::




No surprise here, since I think Joe Tacopina was slimy and it sounds like he lacked morals and character.  He may get a slap on the wrist if anything for engaging in sex with the wife of a client, etc, but from what I've seen, lawyers give each other a lot of leeway.  What may get him some time in the slammer is the RICO.  Racketeering can result in some serious charges and serious time behind bars.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
Patrick van der Eem in the news...

http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/arnhem/eis-2-jaar-cel-voor-man-die-joran-uit-de-tent-lokte-1.4388952 (http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/arnhem/eis-2-jaar-cel-voor-man-die-joran-uit-de-tent-lokte-1.4388952)

Google translation

Requirement : 2 years in prison for man who lured from Joran tent
Posted on : June 4, 2014
Last Updated : June 4 , 09:20

Arnhem - The Arnhem with a camera in his car Joran elicited incriminating statements about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway , 24 months should get prison for burglary .

Demanded that the Prosecutor's Office Tuesday appealed against the 41 - year-old man .

ram raid
According to the prosecution , the Arnhem along with a comrade from Doornspijk ( 39 ) and a cousin of Almelo (35 ) for 30,000 euro expensive clothes captured at the Ski lodge in Oosterbeek . On that ram raid in late December 2012 left the third behind their DNA evidence .
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
Devil's child - IF it is even his.

We should all demand a paternity test.

 ::rhino::

Yep, and Leidy supposedly gave the recent interview to Crimesider but not a single picture of the proud expectant mother?  Odd, considering her past interview imo.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
Still no date announced...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/show/slechts-4-man-op-bruiloft-joran-van-der-sloot-1.4390236 (http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/show/slechts-4-man-op-bruiloft-joran-van-der-sloot-1.4390236)

Google translation

Only four men in wedding Joran van der Sloot
Posted on : June 4, 2014
Last Updated : June 4 , 19:40

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot and his girlfriend Leidy can only invite two guests for their upcoming wedding . More visitors are not welcome at the ceremony which takes place in the Peruvian jail , Joran's lawyer said Wednesday in Show News .

"In prison, there may be only four people are the director ," said lawyer Maximo Altez . " Those are the couple and two witnesses . That's me and someone from Leidy 's side." Nevertheless, the couple " want to get married ," he says.

Crime Journalist Kees van der Spek doubts the sincerity of particular Joran . " He is someone who is cunning and does everything better than being yourself. There are some rumors that he marries to avoid . Extradition to America" Anyhow , he ruined the lives of Leidy , fears Van der Spek . " Because of course it 's not a nice romantic prospect to marry that sits over the next 28 years in prison with someone. " The reporter can imagine that Joran leading ' a kind of attention junkie 's .
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on June 05, 2014, 07:28:16 AM
Attention junkie --- ::MonkeyWink::

Spot on.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 05, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
Attention junkie --- ::MonkeyWink::

Spot on.

 ::rhino::  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 05, 2014, 11:35:09 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3666924/2014/06/04/Slechts-vier-mensen-bij-Jorans-bruiloft.dhtml (http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3666924/2014/06/04/Slechts-vier-mensen-bij-Jorans-bruiloft.dhtml)

Google translation

Only four people at Joran wedding
4-6-14 - 20:04

At the wedding of Joran van der Sloot and his girlfriend Leidy are only four people present. These are the couple themselves and two guests . More visitors are not welcome at the ceremony which takes place in the Peruvian jail , Joran's lawyer says in Show News .
 ::snipping3::
The management of the Piedras Gordas prison , to assert some money to build , yet a party there , according Altez not . "It is a rigorous prison . There you can really do some things . You can also give anyone money and bribe . "

Extradition to U.S.
Not only spouses, but also father Joran : Leidy like about four months . She gets a daughter . Van der Sloot will by marrying the Peruvian Leidy can not avoid after serving his sentence in Peru , he is extradited to the United States .

Van der Sloot will indeed take the marriage Peruvian nationality of his wife , but the current agreement between Peru and the U.S. provides for the extradition of suspects , even if citizens of the country . The U.S. is looking for Van der Sloot for his involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005 .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 06, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
Glad to see he can still be extradited!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 06, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
Glad to see he can still be extradited!

 ::HelloKitty::

Me too, Dihannah1!  ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 06, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Glad to see he can still be extradited!

 ::HelloKitty::

Me too, Dihannah1!  ::justice2nj2::


 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 08, 2014, 08:21:11 PM
Video, in Spanish, at the link

http://peru.com/actualidad/mi-ciudad/joran-van-der-sloot-esta-proceso-cambio-segun-inpe-noticia-258146

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot is in flux, according to INPE
Sunday June 8, 2014 - 9:35

 ::snipping3::
Lima. Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, convicted of murdering Stephanie Flores university is in the process of change, according to a psychological report of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

This document, revealed by News America, was presented to the City of Ancon and would be key to proceed the marriage application of the Dutch boy with his partner Lady Figueroa, who is expecting a child.

"Internal looked oriented in space and time. Normal average intellectual level, "reads the report also states that Joran has become aware of their negative behavior in the crimes and consequences caused to the victim and society.

Also the study of psychologists say that responds positively sentenced to a critical and reflective analysis which indicates that in the process of change will order his personal life.

The lawyer for Van der Slootr says change is for his partner and her daughter; however, the psychologist Silvia Rojas said that marriage "can be used for something he favors him" as evading American justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 08, 2014, 08:29:12 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140608/Psycholoog-Joran-is-positief-veranderd (http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140608/Psycholoog-Joran-is-positief-veranderd)

Google translation

Psychologist: Joran has positively changed
Published: Jun 8, 2014 21:53 Last Updated: Jun 8, 2014 21:53

 ::snipping3::
Joran was a "process of change" through. That's according to his lawyer through the positive influence of his fiancee and his upcoming fatherhood. The two have a daughter in September.

The Ancon district of the city of Lima where the Piedras Gordas prison where Joran is attached must have a permission for the marriage issue, but is expected to be the outcome of the report quickly do that.

The psychological report typifies Joran van der Sloot as someone with a normal, average intelligence. He is aware of what he has done and the consequences that the family of Stephanie Flores a result. Joran is in Lima, Peru, a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of the Peruvian girl Stephany Flores in May 2010.

The lawyer of the family of Stephany think Joran wants to marry in order to get. Peruvian nationality This he would be a possible extradition to America may occur. Because they want to try him for the extortion of Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 09, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140609/Advocaat-Van-der-Sloot-trouwt-begin-juli (http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140609/Advocaat-Van-der-Sloot-trouwt-begin-juli)

Google translation

Lawyer: Van der Sloot marry early July
Published: Jun 9, 2014 17:42  Last Updated: Jun 9, 2014 17:42

The marriage of Joran van der Sloot and his pregnant fiancée Leidy Figueroa is shifted from mid-June to the first week of July. That says his lawyer Máximo Altez. Tuesday, according to the counsel officially announced that the marriage can continue.

Van der Sloot is in the Piedras Gordas prison in Peru a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of Peruvian student Stephany Flores. The mayor of the municipality where the Dutchman stuck initially did not allow the marriage according Altez. "He was concerned because Van der Sloot killed a woman. He was afraid of repetition," say Altez.

Now the prison authorities, Van der Sloot psychologically examined and he seems to make progress is the concern of the Mayor according Altez removed. The lawyer will soon consult with the warden on a specific date. "This has some feet into the earth, because the marriage takes place in a maximum security prison," he says.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: can on June 11, 2014, 08:43:30 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140609/Advocaat-Van-der-Sloot-trouwt-begin-juli (http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140609/Advocaat-Van-der-Sloot-trouwt-begin-juli)

Google translation

Lawyer: Van der Sloot marry early July
Published: Jun 9, 2014 17:42  Last Updated: Jun 9, 2014 17:42

The marriage of Joran van der Sloot and his pregnant fiancée Leidy Figueroa is shifted from mid-June to the first week of July. That says his lawyer Máximo Altez. Tuesday, according to the counsel officially announced that the marriage can continue.

Van der Sloot is in the Piedras Gordas prison in Peru a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of Peruvian student Stephany Flores. The mayor of the municipality where the Dutchman stuck initially did not allow the marriage according Altez. "He was concerned because Van der Sloot killed a woman. He was afraid of repetition," say Altez.

Now the prison authorities, Van der Sloot psychologically examined and he seems to make progress is the concern of the Mayor according Altez removed. The lawyer will soon consult with the warden on a specific date. "This has some feet into the earth, because the marriage takes place in a maximum security prison," he says.
 ::snipping3::


silly girl!

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2014, 02:26:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 13, 2014, 03:24:05 PM
 ::boxjoran::

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/wedding-bells-for-joran-van-der-sloot.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/wedding-bells-for-joran-van-der-sloot.html)

06.13.14
Wedding Bells for Joran van der Sloot

 ::snipping3::
The news came on Thursday when the official wedding announcement was published in classified section of the La Razon tabloid newspaper.  According to the announcement, van der Sloot will wed 24-year-old Leidy Carol Figueroa Uceda, an accountant who lives in Lima.  The wedding will take place at the Municipality of Ancon in a special section inside the walls of the Pidras Gordas-Ancon Penitentiary where van der Sloot is serving out a 28-year-sentence for murdering Flores.  By law, all intended couples must publish their marital edict ten days before they wed to give any one with just cause a chance to step forward and protest. The edict says “any persons that can express any legal impediment can denounce” the nuptials.
 ::snipping3::
He may be a changed man now, but he is still a long way from being free.  When he completes his sentence in Peru, he could theoretically face extradition proceedings in the United States to serve his extortion sentence, though his lawyer Maximo Altez told The Daily Beast that the statue of limitations will have run out by then.   "He'll do nine years in prison and then will be set free on parole,” said Altez in Peru.  “He may get a reduction awarded by his studies. In any case, he'll have to finish his 28-year sentence in Peru so the statute of limitations in the state of Arizona will kick-in when he finishes his sentence here and he won't be extradited to the U.S."
 ::snipping3::
Now all van der Sloot and his bride-to-be have to do is wait out the ten days to see if anyone objects.  If all goes forward, the wedding will be attended by two invited guests and a handful of prison inmates.  “If no one objects, he will be granted license to marry,” Altez said, adding that they will have to present a request to the prison director to set a definitive date to hold the ceremony inside the prison. He will then hire a car to take the notary public to the prison on the day of the wedding.

The most likely people to object are Holloway’s parents, who so far have not commented on the impending nuptials, and Flores’s father, who has said that he wants the man who killed his daughter to die in prison. "He murdered a girl who is the daughter of an influential entrepreneur of Peru,” said Altez. “I understand the father because of the pain he carries and naturally, he would oppose Joran's parole. We are aware that he will be there to oppose that and complicate it as much as possible. He hasn't said anything about the marriage, though. I don't think that's something that would worry him anyway. I think he's more interested in keeping Joran behind bars."
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 14, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-mag-trouwen

Google translation

3 hours 19 minutes ago
Joran may marry

 ::snipping3::
The forthcoming marriage do arise. Several eyebrows Critics say it is a clever trick to prevent Joran. Extradition to the U.S. The marriage does not give Joran more privileges in prison.
 ::snipping3::
See the marriage of Joran and Leidy official publication. Below

(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/inline_medium/public/content/images/2014/06/14/Jorankrant3_0.jpg?itok=MeKFpsjk)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 15, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
http://www.americatv.com.pe/noticias/actualidad/futura-esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-viajado-aruba-n140864?href=hft (http://www.americatv.com.pe/noticias/actualidad/futura-esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-viajado-aruba-n140864?href=hft)

Google translation

14 hours ago | 20:02 p.m.
Future wife of Joran Van der Sloot would have traveled to Aruba

In less than two months would be marrying within the Piedras Gordas prison. Joran Van der Sloot and Carol Figueroa Uceda Leydi will become husband and wife.

However, before the expected link, the bride would have made a trip to Aruba to meet his future in-laws, as shown in photographs.

Figueroa said in his images that was in the paradise island, the temperature was very high and the people were very friendly.

In some of the photos Hugen Anita, mother sentenced for the murder of Stephany Flores, which demonstrate the close relationship between the two appears.

The young bride also posted on his Facebook album with gifts that would have made Van Der Sloot from prison.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
If she's not careful she'll get a chance to meet her father in law   ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
If she's not careful she'll get a chance to meet her father in law   ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
If she's not careful she'll get a chance to meet her father in law   ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2014, 02:02:30 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeOnDaddysBack-1.png) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/NataleeOnDaddysBack-1.png.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/DaveNat-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/DaveNat-1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDave_tt-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/NataleeDave_tt-1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Dave_Holloway_May2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Dave_Holloway_May2005.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_7.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_7.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/flores1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/120520111.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/120520111.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 15, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
If she's not careful she'll get a chance to meet her father in law   ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 17, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140617/Van-der-Eem-opnieuw-de-cel-in (http://www.nieuws.nl/algemeen/20140617/Van-der-Eem-opnieuw-de-cel-in)

Google translation

Lower sentence Van der Eem for burglary
Published: 17 Jun 2014 14:14 Last updated: 17 Jun 2014 14:32

Patrick van der Eem's appeal sentenced to ten months in prison for committing a burglary at a clothing store in Oosterbeek in December 2012. On that robbery Van der Eem, would be known from the case involving Joran van der Sloot, for thirty thousand euro belongings have been stolen.

The penalty picks, lower than previously to the court, which sentenced him last May to one year in prison. Justice had appealed two years imprisonment demanded.
 ::snipping3::
Van der Eem became nationally known when he Van der Sloot in February 2008 drew revelations about his involvement in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway. The talks between the two were recorded with hidden cameras in the car Van der Eem for crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on June 20, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
I'm so annoyed, just go away FOR GOOD already JVS!

It says the notice to marry was published to give 10 days for protest to the marriage. Can we Monkeys attach our names to a protest on behalf of Natalee and Stephanie?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2014, 01:24:24 PM
I'm so annoyed, just go away FOR GOOD already JVS!

It says the notice to marry was published to give 10 days for protest to the marriage. Can we Monkeys attach our names to a protest on behalf of Natalee and Stephanie?

Good idea!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/protest-the-marriage-of-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 22, 2014, 08:19:10 PM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-se-casaria-julio-2012842

Google translation

Sunday June 22, 2014 | 00:55
Joran van der Sloot would marry in July

Eager. So is Dutch Joran van der Sloot for his next marriage, his lawyer Max Highness, could take place the first week of July.

"Everything is ready, just need to access the prison director to date they have chosen. Once coordinated that, within the criminal wedding will take place, "said a Trome.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 22, 2014, 08:24:20 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-trouwt-juli

Google translation

June 22, 2014 18:13
Joran married in July

 ::snipping3::
The municipality had the marriage announced in a local newspaper. People could, according to Peruvian law still more than a week (legal) objection. Now that period has expired, nothing seems to stand still. Marriage in the way According to his lawyer, the two are looking forward to the big day and the rings are ready.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2014, 09:52:48 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-trouwt-juli

Google translation

June 22, 2014 18:13
Joran married in July

 ::snipping3::
The municipality had the marriage announced in a local newspaper. People could, according to Peruvian law still more than a week (legal) objection. Now that period has expired, nothing seems to stand still. Marriage in the way According to his lawyer, the two are looking forward to the big day and the rings are ready.


I had figured we had until the 24th.  So is it too late to object?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 22, 2014, 10:40:10 PM
Klaas, according to reports, the marriage announcement was first published on June 12, 2014.  I think that June 21 made it ten days as required by Peruvian law.  It look like it is too late to object--legally.   ::boxjoran::

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/wedding-bells-for-joran-van-der-sloot.html
06.13.14
Wedding Bells for Joran van der Sloot

Quote
The news came on Thursday when the official wedding announcement was published in classified section of the La Razon tabloid newspaper.  According to the announcement, van der Sloot will wed 24-year-old Leidy Carol Figueroa Uceda, an accountant who lives in Lima.  The weddiquoteng will take place at the Municipality of Ancon in a special section inside the walls of the Pidras Gordas-Ancon Penitentiary where van der Sloot is serving out a 28-year-sentence for murdering Flores.  By law, all intended couples must publish their marital edict ten days before they wed to give any one with just cause a chance to step forward and protest. The edict says “any persons that can express any legal impediment can denounce” the nuptials.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 22, 2014, 11:26:27 PM
 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2014, 08:38:24 AM
Klaas, according to reports, the marriage announcement was first published on June 12, 2014.  I think that June 21 made it ten days as required by Peruvian law.  It look like it is too late to object--legally.   ::boxjoran::

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/wedding-bells-for-joran-van-der-sloot.html
06.13.14
Wedding Bells for Joran van der Sloot

Quote
The news came on Thursday when the official wedding announcement was published in classified section of the La Razon tabloid newspaper.  According to the announcement, van der Sloot will wed 24-year-old Leidy Carol Figueroa Uceda, an accountant who lives in Lima.  The weddiquoteng will take place at the Municipality of Ancon in a special section inside the walls of the Pidras Gordas-Ancon Penitentiary where van der Sloot is serving out a 28-year-sentence for murdering Flores.  By law, all intended couples must publish their marital edict ten days before they wed to give any one with just cause a chance to step forward and protest. The edict says “any persons that can express any legal impediment can denounce” the nuptials.


Well not that there are many signatures on the petition, but I did email it a couple days ago to someone I hoped would get it to Stephany's family.  Thought about an online petition too late.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 25, 2014, 03:58:52 PM
Another marriage announcement published today...

http://www.andina.com.pe/agencia/noticia-holandes-van-der-sloot-se-casara-penal-piedras-gordas-511775.aspx#.U6srDWdOXIV (http://www.andina.com.pe/agencia/noticia-holandes-van-der-sloot-se-casara-penal-piedras-gordas-511775.aspx#.U6srDWdOXIV)

Google translation

Dutch Van der Sloot will marry in prison Piedras Gordas
Posted: 06/25/2014

9:08. Lima, jun. 25. The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, who murdered the young Stephany Flores in May 2010, will marry an accountant in the prison where he is serving sentence as marriage edict published today in the official gazette El Peruano.

The Wedding with Carol Figueroa Uceda Leydi accountant will develop in the area of Prevention maximum security prison Piedras Gordas, where Van der Sloot is being held after receiving his sentence.

The edict realizes that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot is 26 and his partner 24. She lives in the district of Ancon, north of Lima.

The murder of the young Stephany Flores shocked the nation, for the coolness displayed by the European, who after killing her in a hotel, pretended that everything was normal and even ordered drinks for both, as shown at the time the security cameras.

Although it is believed that marriage would be to avoid extradition to the United States for the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, who also have murder, counsel for Van der Sloot, Maximum Highness, has pointed out that this is not a strategy.

He said, according to the current agreement between Peru and the United States, judicial extradition comes even before a possible marriage and the subsequent adoption of nationality.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 25, 2014, 04:13:15 PM
First marriage announcement of June 12, 2014+

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/paar-dagen-voor-bezwaar-tegen-huwelijk-joran

(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/inline_medium/public/content/images/2014/06/14/Jorankrant3_0.jpg?itok=MeKFpsjk)

Today's marriage announcement on June 25, 2014

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/edicto-matrimonial-joran-van-der-sloot-fue-publicado-hoy-noticia-1738597 (http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/edicto-matrimonial-joran-van-der-sloot-fue-publicado-hoy-noticia-1738597)
Google translation
Wednesday June 25, 2014 | 12:51
Matrimonial Edict of Joran Van der Sloot was released today

(http://cde.3.elcomercio.pe/ima/0/0/9/0/7/907497.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 25, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
I'm so annoyed, just go away FOR GOOD already JVS!

It says the notice to marry was published to give 10 days for protest to the marriage. Can we Monkeys attach our names to a protest on behalf of Natalee and Stephanie?

Good idea!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/protest-the-marriage-of-joran-van-der-sloot

Just in case anyone still wants to sign.  I'll try make sure someone of authority gets it.  I have to admit, it feels good to sign it even if doesn't make any different in stopping his marriage.  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2014, 11:55:50 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 03, 2014, 02:13:04 PM
Hmmm...on the 4th of July in the United States..what a coincidence--not!  ::boxjoran::

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/03/us-peru-vandersloot-wedding-idUSKBN0F823M20140703 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/03/us-peru-vandersloot-wedding-idUSKBN0F823M20140703)

Dutch killer Van der Sloot sets date for prison wedding
LIMA  Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:39pm EDT

(Reuters) - Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot will marry his pregnant Peruvian girlfriend on Friday in prison, where the main suspect in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway is serving a 28-year sentence for a separate murder, his lawyer said.

Van der Sloot, 26, will marry Leidy Figueroa in Lima's Piedras Gordas penitentiary at midday in a small ceremony, his attorney Maximo Altez said on Thursday.

Figueroa, 24, met Van der Sloot while working in the prison selling candies and cigarettes and is expecting to give birth to his child in September, said Altez, who will be a witness at the wedding ceremony.

Conjugal visits are granted to all prisoners at Piedras Gordas, an official said.

Van der Sloot confessed to strangling, beating and suffocating 21-year-old Peruvian business student Stephany Flores after meeting her in a casino four years ago. He was sentenced in early 2012.

Van der Sloot is also suspected of killing 18-year-old Holloway, who vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005 and was last seen with him and another man.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 03, 2014, 05:20:07 PM
 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on July 03, 2014, 09:23:52 PM
Pity the bride and the child ...


Texasmom - Lovely pictures.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-24429151 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-24429151)

Joran Van Der Sloot Ties the Knot in Peru Prison
LIMA, Peru — Jul 4, 2014, 11:57 AM ET

It's wedding day in Peru for convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot.

The 26-year-old Dutchman who remains the chief suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway was tying the knot in prison a Friday with a Peruvian woman pregnant with his child.

Van der Sloot's lawyer says prison officials prohibited video and photos during the midday nuptials and that none of the groom's relatives are expected.

Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 04, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-24429151 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-24429151)

Joran Van Der Sloot Ties the Knot in Peru Prison
LIMA, Peru — Jul 4, 2014, 11:57 AM ET

It's wedding day in Peru for convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot.

The 26-year-old Dutchman who remains the chief suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway was tying the knot in prison a Friday with a Peruvian woman pregnant with his child.

Van der Sloot's lawyer says prison officials prohibited video and photos during the midday nuptials and that none of the groom's relatives are expected.

Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.
 ::snipping3::


None of the grooms relatives went because they have always known he's a murdering monster.   ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
 ::rhino::  Got that right, klaas!   ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 03:04:49 PM
Haunted by Natalee?...hmmm...

http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-se-caso-leydi-2014481?href=hflujo2 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-se-caso-leydi-2014481?href=hflujo2)

Google translation

Friday July 4, 2014 | 13:44
Joran van der Sloot married in Piedras Gordas prison

(http://cde.2.trome.pe//ima/0/0/9/3/5/935937.jpg)

(http://cde.2.trome.pe//ima/0/0/9/3/5/935938.jpg)

 ::snipping3::
The ceremony, which lasted just 20 minutes, was chaired by the mayor of Ancon Jhon Barrera. Participants toast after 'Yes I agree', the mother of Leydi, a family of Joran, a representative of the Dutch embassy and lawyer Max Highness.

"They're very much in love. They married for love, Joran gave him a box to Leydi for your wedding, "said the lawyer as he showed the painting where a woman is seen facing the sea and next to a palm tree.

For his part, the mayor said that during the ceremony were tears of emotion. "It was a very emotional marriage where there were tears by Miss (Leydi) and some kisses. When I was signing a lot of emotion, "he said as he left the prison.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
At the link:  Photos and a video (his lawyer shows the painting)

http://peru21.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-leydi-figueroa-matrimonio-piedras-gordas-2190529/4#foto-gal (http://peru21.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-leydi-figueroa-matrimonio-piedras-gordas-2190529/4#foto-gal)

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot married in prison Stones
Friday July 4, 2014 | 12:48

 ::snipping3::
Meanwhile, Maximum Highness, foreign lawyer, said that the young woman who is expecting a child of Dutch-cried during the ceremony, which was presided over by the mayor of Ancon, John Barrera.

Meanwhile, Van der Sloot * Figueroa gave a picture made by him as a wedding gift * s. In addition, he promised to leave prison return both married.

Recall that Highness ruled that marriage is a strategy, it is questioned whether the union was intended to prevent the Dutch extradition to the U.S. for the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway, who had also murdered.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
Other reports identified her godmother as a witness.  :smt102
He told Leydi that he will remarry her when he gets out of prison...possibly a church wedding?  This caused her to cry.

http://www.larepublica.pe/04-07-2014/alcalde-de-ancon-caso-al-asesino-joran-van-der-sloot-en-piedras-gordas (http://www.larepublica.pe/04-07-2014/alcalde-de-ancon-caso-al-asesino-joran-van-der-sloot-en-piedras-gordas)

Google translation

Mayor of Ancon married the murderer Joran Van Der Sloot in Piedras Gordas
Friday, July 4, 2014 | 1:55 pm

 ::snipping3::

After the ceremony, the mayor of Ancon reported that the marriage was brief but quite emotional and the bride was very nervous, "even to sign the marriage certificate."

"There have been tears and kisses, I see a lot of emotion on the part of the lady. (...) I see a lot of purity in this marriage, "he said with a smile the mayor authority.

According to the mayor, the tears of the wife of Van Der Sloot was motivated when he said: "When I go back out to marry you, she told him the same." He reported that he attended Leydi Figueroa, his mother and two witnesses.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 04, 2014, 06:15:09 PM
http://peru.com/actualidad/mi-ciudad/joran-van-der-sloot-asi-fue-su-boda-dentro-penal-video-noticia-264992 (http://peru.com/actualidad/mi-ciudad/joran-van-der-sloot-asi-fue-su-boda-dentro-penal-video-noticia-264992)

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot: That was your wedding at Piedras Gordas prison (VIDEO)
Friday July 4, 2014 - 13:48

Ancon. Joran Van der Sloot, 26, who murdered the young Stephany Flores, he married at about 12:00 pm on Friday with Carol Figueroa Uceda Leydi Peruvian, 24.

The humble ceremony was held at Piedras Gordas prison Ancon, where Dutch serving a sentence of 28 years in prison for the murder of Flores occurred in May 2010.

Jose Isabel Blandon, mayor of Ancon, was asked to marry the couple. The reporters said that the ceremony was very moving. "After I quit back to marry you," was, according to the version of Blandon, words that Van der Sloot told his girlfriend.

As fun facts became known that the wedding suit was sent by his family from Holland and had trouble acquiring shoes Van der Sloot, because its measure is 46. The ceremony was accompanied only by four people.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on July 05, 2014, 01:03:30 AM
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Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.


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As fun facts became known that the wedding suit was sent by his family from Holland and had trouble acquiring shoes Van der Sloot, because its measure is 46.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Anyone else remember the whole "tennis shoe size" affair???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 05, 2014, 01:32:35 AM
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Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.


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As fun facts became known that the wedding suit was sent by his family from Holland and had trouble acquiring shoes Van der Sloot, because its measure is 46.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Anyone else remember the whole "tennis shoe size" affair???

Yes!  The shoe size is highlighted in the article, because I remembered that whole affair.  I guess we have the answer now.
 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on July 05, 2014, 01:42:22 AM
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Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.


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As fun facts became known that the wedding suit was sent by his family from Holland and had trouble acquiring shoes Van der Sloot, because its measure is 46.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Anyone else remember the whole "tennis shoe size" affair???
Of course I knew that you got the point - I should have acknowledged your highlighting the quote!! I just wanted to expound on it!! I hope everyone had a great 4th!  ::MonkeyCool::
Yes!  The shoe size is highlighted in the article, because I remembered that whole affair.  I guess we have the answer now.
 

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on July 05, 2014, 01:45:14 AM
Boy, I botched that up!! I guess I'm out of practice  here!! (After nearly a decade, we still can't edit our own posts!  ::MonkeyDevil::)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 05, 2014, 02:19:31 AM
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Lawyer Maximo Altez says Van der Sloot's mother did send a tailored suit and dress shoes fitting his extra-large feet.


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As fun facts became known that the wedding suit was sent by his family from Holland and had trouble acquiring shoes Van der Sloot, because its measure is 46.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Anyone else remember the whole "tennis shoe size" affair???
Of course I knew that you got the point - I should have acknowledged your highlighting the quote!! I just wanted to expound on it!! I hope everyone had a great 4th!  ::MonkeyCool::
Yes!  The shoe size is highlighted in the article, because I remembered that whole affair.  I guess we have the answer now.
 

 


During the discussions about the shoes, I was a "guest" reading and cheering the monkeys to solve the shoe size. lol
Hope you had a happy 4th of July, too!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on July 05, 2014, 08:02:28 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2014, 10:36:37 AM
She's an "accountant" that sells candles and cigarettes in the prison?

http://www.youtube.com/v/0tJGk4ofc18

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/03/us-peru-vandersloot-wedding-idUSKBN0F823M20140703

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Figueroa, 24, met Van der Sloot while working in the prison selling candies and cigarettes and is expecting to give birth to his child in September, said Altez, who will be a witness at the wedding ceremony.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2014, 11:17:06 AM
Baby due in September? 

She doesn't look pregnant to me!  jmo   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/joran-van-der-sloot-marries-pregnant-girlfriend-peruvian-prison-article-1.1855484

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1855599.1404521264!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/peru-vandersloot-wedding.jpg)

From her trip to Aruba (Oct 2013)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/q85/r90/s720x720/1399793_10201654766524282_1780580645_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 05, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
Rammstein at BFN translated the above document as follows:

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.


He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.
The suspect did not respond.


After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing.
He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.
The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.
The suspect did not respond.


The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranFloridaFeet_zps49be1cc8.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Shoes3_zpsc297007d.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Red on July 05, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
Joran Van der Sloot, Convicted Killer of Stephany Flores and Suspected Killer of Natalee Holloway Marries Girlfiend Leidy Figueroa in Peru Prison … The Bride of Frankenstein

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/07/05/joran-van-der-sloot-convicted-killer-of-stephany-flores-and-suspected-killer-of-natalee-holloway-marries-girlfiend-leidy-figueroa-in-peru-prison-the-bride-of-frankenstein/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Frankenstein-Bride.jpg)

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Bride of Frankenstein …

In just another example of the world has gone mad, convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot was married his Peruvian girlfriend conjugal squeeze Leidy Figueroa on Friday morning at the Peruvian prison that the “Little Sporter” is being held for murder. John Barrera, Mayor of Ancón District, presided over the ceremony. How special, maybe his mom Anita could have a first dance to “Psycho Killer”.  It gets even worse, Figueroa is pregnant with this dirt-bags child.  Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28 year prison sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores and is the prime suspect for all common sense thinking people in the disappearance and death of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway who went missing in 2005 on Aruba.
::snipping3::

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I wonder where Joran Van der Sloot wedding registry was … Murderers R Us? Maybe Joran and Leidy can honeymoon in Aruba?

We are still looking for confirmation as to whether Joran’s new wife took out the phrase “unto death do us part” from the wedding vows, for obvious reasons.
::snipping3::

I am completely sickened!!! At some point this SOB is going to get what is coming to him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on July 05, 2014, 07:14:39 PM
I am completely sickened also - it's just disgusting.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 05, 2014, 07:54:39 PM
Video at the link:  Leidy's arrival

http://nieuws.vtm.be/buitenland/99693-van-der-sloot-getrouwd-de-cel (http://nieuws.vtm.be/buitenland/99693-van-der-sloot-getrouwd-de-cel)

Google translation

Van der Sloot married in the cell
5/7


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 05, 2014, 08:06:16 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/joran-van-der-sloot-leidy-figueroa-wedding-and-reception-held-peru

Joran Van der Sloot-Leidy Figueroa: Wedding and reception held in Peru
July 5, 2014

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e0/da/e0da349037269b26bd2109c7adaace14.jpg?itok=pHZrqgnT)

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The two exchanged vows, where Van der Sloot told his new bride that he can't wait to marry her for a second time upon his release. Bride Leidy Figuero was said to be overcome with joy hearing those words.Figuero's wedding reception was held at her home in San Juan de Lurigancho, where she danced to Salsa and celebrated with friends and family totaling around 50 people, according to El Comercio, one of Peru's largest newspapers.
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Video at the link:  The reception

http://peru21.pe/actualidad/esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-celebro-su-matrimonio-2190652 (http://peru21.pe/actualidad/esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-celebro-su-matrimonio-2190652)

Google translation

Wife of Joran van der Sloot celebrated his marriage
Saturday July 5, 2014 | 10:42

After getting married in the prison Piedras Gordas with Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who murdered the young Stephany Flores in May 2010, Leydi Figueroa celebrated their union with a party at his home in San Juan de Lurigancho.

Although not with her husband, 24 year old accountant looked happy in the company of your friends, family and criminal lawyer, as seen in a video released by Frequency America.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2014, 10:35:19 PM
Joran Van der Sloot, Convicted Killer of Stephany Flores and Suspected Killer of Natalee Holloway Marries Girlfiend Leidy Figueroa in Peru Prison … The Bride of Frankenstein

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/07/05/joran-van-der-sloot-convicted-killer-of-stephany-flores-and-suspected-killer-of-natalee-holloway-marries-girlfiend-leidy-figueroa-in-peru-prison-the-bride-of-frankenstein/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Frankenstein-Bride.jpg)

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Bride of Frankenstein …

In just another example of the world has gone mad, convicted killer Joran Van der Sloot was married his Peruvian girlfriend conjugal squeeze Leidy Figueroa on Friday morning at the Peruvian prison that the “Little Sporter” is being held for murder. John Barrera, Mayor of Ancón District, presided over the ceremony. How special, maybe his mom Anita could have a first dance to “Psycho Killer”.  It gets even worse, Figueroa is pregnant with this dirt-bags child.  Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28 year prison sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores and is the prime suspect for all common sense thinking people in the disappearance and death of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway who went missing in 2005 on Aruba.
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I wonder where Joran Van der Sloot wedding registry was … Murderers R Us? Maybe Joran and Leidy can honeymoon in Aruba?

We are still looking for confirmation as to whether Joran’s new wife took out the phrase “unto death do us part” from the wedding vows, for obvious reasons.
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I am completely sickened!!! At some point this SOB is going to get what is coming to him.

 ::rhino:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2014, 10:36:41 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: Bearlyhere on July 06, 2014, 12:45:22 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »

This is the way I see things, I welcome anyone showing me where my thinking differs from theirs.

Joran, once again, ends up taking advantage of the system.  Even without marrying his pregnant girlfriend, he already had the right to have conjugal visits with this woman.  Joran is managing to live the high life in prison while Natalee and Stephany's loved ones continue to suffer from their losses; the way he lives is one huge continuous slap in the faces of the families of his victims. 

Marrying Leidy only gives the baby his last name.  Whether he marries her or not, he still gets to have sex with her and maintain their relationship, nothing really changes.  He courted a woman without spending a dime, not many people can say that.  His room and board are paid for, his meals are paid for, nothing was or is paid for by him, while people who are not in prison struggle to maintain these very things.  Everything was paid for by the good people of Peru, including his medical and dental while hard working people struggle to pay for and get the insurance and medical procedures they desperately need. 

What is the difference whether he marries her or not?  He already 'got the cow for free' without 'paying for the milk.'  Even if they get married, he still gets sent to the US to answer to his crimes against Beth.  That does not change from what I understand.  The only truly innocent person here is his baby and now s/he gets to be part of a family and at least has the illusion that his/her parents loved each other.  The main problem with this is his/her father has one of the worst criminal minds.  He has no conscience and everyone who sees his child's name will ostracize the poor kid.  What parent is going to want his/her child to be mixed up with that family? 

Either way the child loses.  I did not realize how important a father was to the child until I heard kids talking about their missing parent.  If the parent is deceased, they make up stories in their minds about a perfect parent they are missing out on knowing.  I hear children talking about a parent they never met, giving them almost god-like characteristics and day dreaming about the parent showing up one day, whisking them away, and taking them off to their castle (or whatever dream of rescue the children have going on in their minds that day.  The real loser in all this is the child of Van der Sloot.  She should have kept her Van der Slit closed. 

The child is the one who is not being thought about in the situation and if Joran's wife had any compassion for her child, she would give him/her up for adoption.  How does anyone expect Joran's child to have a decent life?  It is not going to happen.  She can have all the sex she wants with Joran, just don't let any innocent children get hurt.  They are the innocent ones who are going to have to pay for his crimes.  Obviously, his wife is no great judge of character.  Until she can make better choices, she should not have kids.

I do not expect this marriage to last.  I think she has some sort of romantic fantasy playing in her head where she changes Joran from his evil ways and turns him into a good guy.  His brain is wired to be evil, to be violent, to be a liar, and to be a murderer if he does not get his way.  Why he, a multiple murderer, is allowed to live the life he is living off the backs of hard-working people from Peru is beyond what I can comprehend.  They will be divorced when the paint from the delusional picture she is painting begins to dry, crack, and fade.

God bless the little one she is carrying.  This infant will be carrying the weight of his/her mother's poor decisions for the rest of his/her life.  So very sad.  Joran ruins everyone he touches.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 06, 2014, 02:35:29 AM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/98eg76.jpg)
Tennis show comparison to shoe inside cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 06, 2014, 02:39:44 AM
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/102roxy.jpg)

Daddy




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 06, 2014, 02:48:57 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »

This is the way I see things, I welcome anyone showing me where my thinking differs from theirs.

Joran, once again, ends up taking advantage of the system.  Even without marrying his pregnant girlfriend, he already had the right to have conjugal visits with this woman.  Joran is managing to live the high life in prison while Natalee and Stephany's loved ones continue to suffer from their losses; the way he lives is one huge continuous slap in the faces of the families of his victims. 

Marrying Leidy only gives the baby his last name.  Whether he marries her or not, he still gets to have sex with her and maintain their relationship, nothing really changes.  He courted a woman without spending a dime, not many people can say that.  His room and board are paid for, his meals are paid for, nothing was or is paid for by him, while people who are not in prison struggle to maintain these very things.  Everything was paid for by the good people of Peru, including his medical and dental while hard working people struggle to pay for and get the insurance and medical procedures they desperately need. 

What is the difference whether he marries her or not?  He already 'got the cow for free' without 'paying for the milk.'  Even if they get married, he still gets sent to the US to answer to his crimes against Beth.  That does not change from what I understand.  The only truly innocent person here is his baby and now s/he gets to be part of a family and at least has the illusion that his/her parents loved each other.  The main problem with this is his/her father has one of the worst criminal minds.  He has no conscience and everyone who sees his child's name will ostracize the poor kid.  What parent is going to want his/her child to be mixed up with that family? 

Either way the child loses.  I did not realize how important a father was to the child until I heard kids talking about their missing parent.  If the parent is deceased, they make up stories in their minds about a perfect parent they are missing out on knowing.  I hear children talking about a parent they never met, giving them almost god-like characteristics and day dreaming about the parent showing up one day, whisking them away, and taking them off to their castle (or whatever dream of rescue the children have going on in their minds that day.  The real loser in all this is the child of Van der Sloot.  She should have kept her Van der Slit closed. 

The child is the one who is not being thought about in the situation and if Joran's wife had any compassion for her child, she would give him/her up for adoption.  How does anyone expect Joran's child to have a decent life?  It is not going to happen.  She can have all the sex she wants with Joran, just don't let any innocent children get hurt.  They are the innocent ones who are going to have to pay for his crimes.  Obviously, his wife is no great judge of character.  Until she can make better choices, she should not have kids.

I do not expect this marriage to last.  I think she has some sort of romantic fantasy playing in her head where she changes Joran from his evil ways and turns him into a good guy.  His brain is wired to be evil, to be violent, to be a liar, and to be a murderer if he does not get his way.  Why he, a multiple murderer, is allowed to live the life he is living off the backs of hard-working people from Peru is beyond what I can comprehend.  They will be divorced when the paint from the delusional picture she is painting begins to dry, crack, and fade.

God bless the little one she is carrying.  This infant will be carrying the weight of his/her mother's poor decisions for the rest of his/her life.  So very sad.  Joran ruins everyone he touches.


He has some motive in this - bet on it!
She is no better. She was having sex ewwwww with that small pecker in a prison no less that has a nasty hole in the floor for his poop. The smell alone would have run most decent common sense woman off. Well, I guess maybe not Mary.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

28 years is a long time to raise a child alone and wait for her babies daddy to get out. Oh yeah, he won't be getting out, he'll then be extradited to the U.S.

Hope his baby daughter never goes through the computer and finds the name Natalee Holloway!

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on July 06, 2014, 07:15:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Texasmom, thank you and Klaas, Red and the SM team that never let Natalee's injustice fade away......

The young woman he just married now has her 15 minutes of fame


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 06, 2014, 11:34:46 AM
Rammstein at BFN translated the above document as follows:

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.


He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.
The suspect did not respond.


After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing.
He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.
The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.
The suspect did not respond.


The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranFloridaFeet_zps49be1cc8.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Shoes3_zpsc297007d.jpg)

Wonder if it was Anita or Paul that made sure the label in his shoes was changed.  No way did Joran ever wear a 10.5.  Paulus probably did but not Joran. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 06, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-sufrir-problemas-psicologicos-holandes-2014677?href=hflujo4 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-sufrir-problemas-psicologicos-holandes-2014677?href=hflujo4)

Google translation

Sunday July 6, 2014 | 8:20
Wife of Joran van der Sloot could suffer psychological problems of the Dutch

Among Leydi Figueroa Uceda and murderer Joran van der Sloot's not necessarily love, but-perhaps-a mutual interest which the psychological situation of the alien could end badly. For the psychiatrist hospital 'Hermilio Valdizán' Hector Castro León, this relationship 'hanging by a thread' because it is not known how the Dutch might react to extreme stress.

"Sometimes it's hard to believe how a person can put your life at risk, but it happens. Leydi is ignoring the severe your condition Joran (tested for their crime). He does because he has idealized goal that does not care, or the risk that, "he said.

He explained that, it seems, the accountant has serious self-esteem issues, which believes that exceeds marry a foreigner. "She is a humble person, a populous area, you should have seen a young Delighted with these characteristics to notice her. Above felt his support as a single parent, your environment supports their actions and believes that this unusual behavior is normal, "he said.

HEREDITARY

As for the Dutch, the specialist told him maybe a cold and calculating man according to his tests with Peruvian-is because you need to feel connected to the outside, but not necessarily love.

"Love is a process of construction and motivations. To me this seems more instrumental a 'give and take'. A partnership for the child will have. It's definitely not a conventional love, but keep in mind that there are variants in love "he said.

Leydi abroad have found a personality trait that makes the empathy. According to the specialist, global studies indicate that children of psychopathic individuals are more likely to inherit, this in reference to the girl who will next September.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 10, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
If I understand it correctly, he managed to win about $7,000 USD and lost it when the Netherlands team lost the soccer game yesterday.
Guess it's helpful to take on-line classes and have Internet access.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-aprovecha-acceso-internet-hacer-apuestas-2015199?href=hflujo2 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-aprovecha-acceso-internet-hacer-apuestas-2015199?href=hflujo2)

Google translation

Thursday July 10, 2014 | 8:30
Joran van der Sloot fail internet access for betting

You are out of luck. Joran van der Sloot to 20 managed to win a thousand suns, betting via the Internet by selecting your country, the Netherlands, Brazil in the World 2014. However, yesterday's defeat, his luck is over.

Despite restrictions which should have the Dutch, yesterday remained attentive to every move of the match, as close sources said would have bet much of their earnings for their teams.

"That's football and he knew it. Was half annoyed, imagine we have lost a large sum, "said one of his fellow Hall 7 criminal 'Stones fat' in Ancon.

Joran would be useful that I have Internet access for their law classes way to placing bets online.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2014, 09:23:16 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 13, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
Sorry...please disregard the article that I just posted.  It's from 2013.  When I searched for news about Joran, it said 2 hours ago.  :oops:

Edit:  Removed the post :-) (klaasend)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2014, 10:12:29 AM
Sorry...please disregard the article that I just posted.  It's from 2013.  When I searched for news about Joran, it said 2 hours ago.  :oops:

Edit:  Removed the post :-) (klaasend)


I've had that happen to me too when doing searches, grace-land.    It's good we have Klaas and her magic edit wand.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

While I'm here, I'll just leave a thought for the day:   ::boxjoran::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2014, 01:04:09 PM
http://www.caribjournal.com/2014/07/15/aruba-prime-minister-on-hunger-strike/

Aruba Prime Minister on Hunger Strike

July 15, 2014 | 2:00 pm

By Alexander Britell

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman is currently on a hunger strike, protesting alleged interference from the Dutch government in Aruba’s affairs.

Tuesday was the fourth day of Eman’s hunger strike, following a decision by the Dutch government to have Aruba Governor Fredis Rufenjol carry out an independent investigation of Aruba’s budget and the tenability of the island’s finances.

The Dutch government has maintained that it is concerned about the “sustainability of public finances in Aruba,” including a national debt it says has “doubled in a few years.”

“The budget is a country affair, but the Governor can hold a national ordinance if it goes against Kingdom interests,” Dutch Minister of the Interior and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk told Parliament Tuesday.

Plasterk alleged that Eman had made arrangements with the Dutch government about conducting the independent investigation on July 3 but last week expressed that his government did not desire to fulfill the arrangements.

Alleged interference from the Dutch government has long been a sensitive issue for the countries of the Dutch Caribbean.

Aruba seceded from the now-dissolved Netherlands Antilles in 1986, becoming a country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

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Speaking to Dutch media on Monday, Eman said he was “prepared to die.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2014, 01:10:53 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/12/arubas-leader-legislators-launch-hunger-strike/12573981/

Aruba's leader, legislators launch hunger strike
AP 4:36 p.m. EDT July 12, 2014
AP Aruba Hunger Strike

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister and several legislators have launched a hunger strike to protest what they say is meddling by the Dutch government in local financial affairs.

The group gathered Friday outside the governor's offices in the capital of Oranjestad, where they spent the night with an ambulance and medical team on standby.

"We stand together with the people to defend our autonomy," parliamentarian Desiree Croes said.

The hunger strike comes after the Dutch government asked Aruba's governor to hold off on signing the 2014 budget into law pending an evaluation of it. The Dutch Caribbean island, which approved the budget two weeks ago, is facing a major deficit and its national debt represents 75 percent of its GDP.

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman said he considered the Dutch request a direct attack on Aruba's autonomy and said he will continue the hunger strike until the governor signs the budget.

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Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/aruba-prime-minister-mike-eman-on-hunger-strike/

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman on hunger strike
Posted by Aruba Daily on July 12th, 2014

ORANJESTAD – Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman on Friday entered an immediate hunger strike following a decision of the Kingdom Council of Ministers to have the Governor of Aruba carry out an independent investigation of the 2014 budget and the tenability of Aruba’s government finances.

“Aruba is kidnapped, raped and humiliated by the Netherlands which is now only showing its merchant’s face and not the face of a pastor. We cannot build a Kingdom together with a merchant because all is about money. Aruba wants cooperation, not money. We have nothing to sell and we are not for sale,” Eman said in an emotional statement to the people and the media.

Eman said the Netherlands didn’t respect Aruba’s autonomous position in the Kingdom. He warned that he will only end his hunger strike when Aruba Governor Fredis Refunjol has signed Aruba’s 2014 budget. He said his father, grandfather and others had died for the people and that he was willing to do the same if necessary.

“Aruba has handled diplomatically for months, but the limit has now been reached,” said Eman, who has moved to Fort Zoutman, a military fortification in Oranjestad which was built in 1798 by the Dutch army, and the oldest structure on the island. Fort Zoutman is located across the Cabinet of the Governor and currently houses the Historical Museum.

Several hundred persons, including members of Eman’s cabinet and Members of Parliament, joined Eman in a protest walk to Fort Zoutman on Friday. Eman plans to stay at Fort Zoutman, without taking any food, until the Governor signs. “I will never tolerate that our autonomy is taken away from us,” he said.

According to Eman, the decision of the Kingdom Government is illegal and has no legal power because it violates the Charter of the Kingdom, the Regulation of the Governor and Aruba’s Constitution. In his opinion, the Kingdom Government should first have consulted the Council of State. He said the decision also violates the budget right of the Aruba Parliament. “No organ of the Country Aruba will be able to cooperate in the execution of decisions that explicitly violate the Charter,” the Government of Aruba stated in a press release.

Aruba’s financial situation has been a constant source of concern for the Kingdom Government. Aruba’s national debt has doubled over the past four years. The national debt stands at 3.2 billion Aruban florins, close to 80 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and the 2014 budget deficit was more than the three per cent that had previously been agreed upon.

Based on a proposal of Dutch Minister of Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk, the Kingdom Government decided on Friday that the Governor would be asked to withhold the approval of the 2014 budget while an independent investigation is carried out. The investigation will focus on the budget, its substantiation and tenability, as well as the effects for the coming years.

“The situation of Aruba’s government finances is permanently alarming. The investigation which now has been decided upon should make clear whether the trajectory advised by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to achieve tenable government finances has started,” it was stated in a release of the Kingdom Council of Ministers.

The decision is based on articles 15 and 21 of the Governor of Aruba and will be secured in a Royal Decree. A spokesperson of minister Plasterk responded that the Kingdom Council of Ministers was within its full rights.

Friday’s decision replaces the agreement that the Governments of Aruba and the Netherlands made last week Thursday to carry out a joint “independent and voluntary” investigation because the two countries were unable to reach an agreement on the execution of this accord.

“It appeared that the Prime Minister of Aruba Mike Eman had a different vision on the matter than we had agreed upon earlier. So the Kingdom Government decided to put the Governor in charge of the investigation. We were left no other choice because the financial situation is alarming,” Plasterk told reporters as he emerged from Friday’s meeting. “I cannot let this happen under my watch,” said Plasterk. (See related article)

The word “instruction” has not been used for the decision to have Governor Refunjol carry out an investigation, but in essence it does come down to that. Minister Plasterk, who avoided using the term “instruction,” said after Friday’s meeting that the decision of Kingdom Government should be seen as a way to support the Governor in executing his tasks.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2014, 06:13:44 PM
I haven't done any close comparisons of the pictures, but I think they could be of the same man.  I know it has been discussed in the past who he is, but I don't recall us ever definitively deciding who he is....

Trudie's husband and Anita's dad?

http://arubadag.com/2005/joran/index.htm

Google translation:

New start for Joran

Today, Tuesday, September 6, 2005, came from the island of Aruba KLM flight 734 in the Netherlands. A flight as there are so many coming from Aruba. This time, however, more noise, because this time Mr. Joran vd Sloot together with his father came along. After one, the family vd Sloot month nightmare, trying to get life. Joran back a little in harness

Members of the press from various Dutch media, including two television crews from SBS 6 and RTL 4, and also a number of photographers, including those from the Telegraph. Stood at Schiphol The Arubadag Website was present a the arrival of Joran committed by a few pictures.

Joran made ​​a somewhat tired but calm impression. His answers to the Dutch press were given quiet. For a moment he stood the Dutch press to talk his way and then continued. The Website Arubadag want Joran strength and hopes that he can find his rest. Here That the truth must ultimately prevail.

(http://arubadag.com/2005/joran/images/x_PICT0017_jpg_jpg.jpg)

(http://arubadag.com/2005/joran/images/x_PICT0019_jpg_jpg.jpg)



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152322811646412&set=a.467154626411.267317.710021411&type=1

Robert Hugen changed his profile picture.
March 7

(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1620477_10152322811646412_1082063209_n.jpg)

Robert Hugen
March 6

Trudie Hugen Wat leuk Robert., zal Opa mooi vinden !
How nice Robert., Grandpa will like it! (Translated by Bing)
March 6 at 5:33pm · 1

Hans Hugen Goud van oud, kan mij dat zeker nog herinneren, vakantie Spanje
Gold of old, can give me that certainly still remember, Holiday Spain (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 9:27am · 1

Trudie Hugen Opa vind deze foto heel leuk! Xx
Grandpa find this picture very nice! Xx (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 2:01pm

Trudie Hugen Klopt dit was in Spanje,
Is this correct was in Spain, (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 2:02pm


https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen
(profile pic is Trudie)


https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1473221319562660&id=1472604206291038

Ben Hugen
Hallo Dani ,Bedankt voor de uitnodiging zou heel graag eens een optreden van je willen zien ,maar jammer het zit er niet in !
Heel veel liefs Van Tio Ben en Tia Trudie voor allemaal !
Google translation
Hi Dani, Thanks very much would like to see a performance by you for the invitation but unfortunately it is not in there!
Lots of love from Ben Tio and Tia Trudie for all!
April 6 at 5:09am

(They didn't translate but I think Tio=Uncle and Tia=Aunt)


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Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about (https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about)

https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen (https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen)

I'm nearly 100% certain that Trudie is Anita's mom and Ben is the dad.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/x_PICT0019_jpg_jpg_zpse0a30e20.jpg)


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Post by: Keepthefaith on July 20, 2014, 12:13:19 AM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/98eg76.jpg)
Tennis show comparison to shoe inside cage.

Those who were a part of that nefarious debacle will have to live with themselves. The Americans, more so then the dirty rubans! kyle, kyle, kyle  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Only you, and you alone, have to fall asleep with those thoughts in your head, kyle! Those quiet moments after you lay your head on the pillow, just before you fall asleep. Yeah, you know, kyle. Sucks to be you  ::MonkeyDevil::

On another note: I will have attained my degree from the University of Washington, by the end of December!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


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Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2014, 12:43:31 AM
https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about (https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about)

https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen (https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen)

I'm nearly 100% certain that Trudie is Anita's mom and Ben is the dad.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/x_PICT0019_jpg_jpg_zpse0a30e20.jpg)

Thanks Klaas, I think so too.   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: klaasend on July 20, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
Congrats KTF!  ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
Congrats KTF!  ::MonkeyDance::

Congrats from me too KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2014, 11:37:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




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Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2014, 01:09:56 PM
Congratulations KTF!!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::buzzbee3::


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Post by: grace-land on July 20, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
KTF, thank you for sharing the news of your upcoming graduation in December from the University of Washington!
Congratulations!  ::monkeywine2::


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Post by: SuzieQ on July 20, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Congrats KTF!  ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2:: Good Job KTF


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Post by: wreck on July 21, 2014, 11:58:34 AM
Congrats WTF (in advance)!!

Does anyone else think that hunger strikes are funny?? Go ahead and kill yourself - that solves everyone's problems!  ::MonkeyDevil::

It is the equivalent of a little kid holding bis breath until he turns blue.


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Post by: klaasend on July 21, 2014, 05:53:49 PM
Congrats WTF (in advance)!!

Does anyone else think that hunger strikes are funny?? Go ahead and kill yourself - that solves everyone's problems!  ::MonkeyDevil::

It is the equivalent of a little kid holding bis breath until he turns blue.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2014, 07:37:36 PM
Congrats WTF (in advance)!!

Does anyone else think that hunger strikes are funny?? Go ahead and kill yourself - that solves everyone's problems!  ::MonkeyDevil::

It is the equivalent of a little kid holding bis breath until he turns blue.

True!   ::MonkeyHaHa::






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Post by: Keepthefaith on July 22, 2014, 01:00:17 AM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::


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Post by: wreck on July 22, 2014, 08:58:55 AM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freudian slip, no?   ::MonkeyDevil::  Naw!  I noticed that when you posted it Wreck and I thought maybe you were just teasing KTF.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::


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Post by: cadillac on July 22, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freudian slip, no?   ::MonkeyDevil::  Naw!  I noticed that when you posted it Wreck and I thought maybe you were just teasing KTF.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

Ha Ha - I noticed it too but was too embarassed to bring it to anyone's attention.

Too funny - too too funny!!


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Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2014, 06:54:40 PM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I responded to your post and never noticed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: klaasend on July 22, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Me too  ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: darleenofalabama on July 22, 2014, 10:44:37 PM
Hi, Y'all!


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2014, 11:26:35 PM
Hi, Y'all!

 :smt006


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Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2014, 08:55:37 AM
Hi, Y'all!

Darleen!  I was just thinking about you the other day!  How are you?  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on July 23, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Wreck, no worries. My parents are thinking the same thing. WTF, after all these years? It's never too late. I see Urine is still being as douchey as ever. Sometimes we have to depend on time to take care of justice, and I still stand steadfast, in the fact that it will come when Urine least expects it. You have to be patient, just like Patty Hewes!

IT'S COMING URINE

AND YOU WON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TOO WHEN

::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyShovel::


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Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
Hi, Y'all!

Good to see you! ::HelloKitty::


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Post by: darleenofalabama on July 24, 2014, 05:00:41 PM
Hey, Klaasend (and Muffy and TexasMom), I'm good.  Tiara all shiny and everything.  Great to see y'all are still around.  Email me anytime.  Best to y'all always!


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Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2014, 10:23:06 AM
Hey, Klaasend (and Muffy and TexasMom), I'm good.  Tiara all shiny and everything.  Great to see y'all are still around.  Email me anytime.  Best to y'all always!

I want you to know it wasn't easy finding the original image on the internet for your old avatar:  ::MonkeyDevil::
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Darleen_zps4f042a07.png)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on July 25, 2014, 08:03:41 PM
See how adorable I looked!!  I didn't even need that tiara.  (You are probably the only person in the world who could have found that picture!  Thanks for the memory.)


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Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
See how adorable I looked!!  I didn't even need that tiara.  (You are probably the only person in the world who could have found that picture!  Thanks for the memory.)

You're very welcome!  I always liked that avatar, even without the tiara.  That smiling stick figure is so cute!


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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
I totally agree, she's precious!   ::MonkeyHeart::


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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 09:47:16 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/venezuela-official-seeks-immunity-aruba-ruling-24716970

Aruba to Hold Venezuela Official Seeks Immunity
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Jul 25, 2014, 8:35 PM ET
By DILMA ARENDS GEERMAN and JOSHUA GOODMAN
Associated Press

A judge in Aruba ruled Friday that the highest-ranking Venezuelan official ever arrested on a U.S. warrant will remain behind bars pending an extradition request on drug charges.

Hugo Carvajal, a former head of Venezuelan military intelligence and close confidant of the late president Hugo Chavez, was arrested upon arriving at Aruba's airport, officials said Thursday. U.S. authorities allege he's one of several high-ranking Venezuelan military and law enforcement officials who provided a haven to major drug traffickers from neighboring Colombia and helped them export large amounts of U.S. bound cocaine through Venezuela.

His surprise arrest has cast a spotlight on what's known in Venezuela as the "Cartel of the Suns," referring to rogue, high-ranking military officers believed to have grown rich from drug-running. Top Venezuelan officers wear sun insignia on their uniforms.

Together with the unsealing Thursday of a drug indictment against two other Venezuelan officials, Carvajal's arrest is likely to ratchet up tensions between the U.S. and Venezuela's socialist government, which frequently accuses Washington of conspiring against it and using the drug war to apply pressure on Latin America.

President Nicolas Maduro has already threatened to retaliate against Aruba, just 15 miles off Venezuela's coast, unless Carvajal is freed. The president likened Carvajal's arrest to an "ambush" and "kidnapping" that violates international law because he had been appointed the country's consul to the Caribbean island. Prosecutors in Aruba say that while Carvajal was carrying a diplomatic passport he isn't entitled to immunity because he was not yet accredited by the Netherlands, which runs foreign affairs for its former colony.

"We won't let our honor or that of any Venezuelan be sullied by campaigns orchestrated from the empire," Maduro said in a speech Thursday night.

Carvajal's attorney, Chris Lejuez, told The Associated Press on Friday that his client denies all charges against him and will seek diplomatic immunity from extradition.

Later Friday, judge Yvonne van Wersch ruled that Carvajal must remain in custody until there's a decision in his extradition case.

Chief prosecutor Peter Blanken said the judge determined that Carvajal does not have diplomatic immunity. Following the ruling, Lejuez did not return a message seeking comment.

Carvajal, who earned Chavez's trust as a military cadet in the early 1980s, has long been a target of U.S. law enforcement.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/fitch-downgrades-aruba-on-impact-of-valero-refinery-suspensions-1406132611

Fitch Cuts Aruba Ratings on Valero Refinery Suspensions
Firm Rates Caribbean Island One Notch Above Junk, Saying Suspensions Highlight Its Narrow Economic Structure

By Tess Stynes

Updated July 23, 2014 2:21 p.m. ET

Fitch Ratings lowered its debt ratings on Aruba to the brink of junk status, citing the negative impact of recurring suspensions of Valero Energy Corp.'s VLO +1.07% refinery operations on the Caribbean island's growth.

The credit-rating firm has Aruba at triple-B-minus, one notch above junk status. Fitch said the impact of refinery suspensions highlights the island's narrow economic structure and vulnerability to external shocks.

 ::snipping3::

The ratings and outlook also factor in a recovery in the U.S. tourism market but a deceleration in arrivals because of less frequent flights and stricter foreign exchange quotas for Venezuelan tourists. The U.S. and Venezuela account for 76% of tourist arrivals in Aruba.

 ::snipping3::



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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28472222

 24 July 2014 Last updated at 15:55 ET

Aruba detains Venezuelan general on US drug trafficking list

A top Venezuelan official, Gen Hugo Carvajal, has been detained in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba at the request of the American government.

He had been accused by the US Treasury of assisting Colombian Farc rebels in their drug trafficking activities.

The Venezuelan government said Gen Carvajal had a diplomatic passport and that his arrest was illegal.

He had been appointed by Venezuela as its consul in Aruba.

But the Dutch government had rejected the appointment for over a year.


 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 10:36:24 PM
http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2014/jul/24/aruba-reaches-out-has-problems/

Aruba Reaches Out but has Problems
Bert Wilkinson | 7/24/2014, 4:06 p.m.

Just last weekend, the Aruban prime minister, Mike Eman, other cabinet ministers and high officials ended a week-long hunger strike to protest what authorities said were efforts by the Netherlands, the island’s so-called mother country, to sabotage the 2014-15 budget.

The hunger strike had much to do with different approaches to what austerity measures the budget should contain. The Netherlands wants the administration of the island of 102,000 people to implement tough measures, similar to those imposed by the International Monetary Fund on economically ill third world countries. The cabinet resisted, arguing that it had its own independent approach to correcting an underperforming economy and would not bow to Dutch dictates.

The standoff led to the Hague advising the island’s governor, Fredis Jose Refunjol, not to sign off on the estimates, forcing officials to spend contingency funds at levels similar to those of 2013.

 ::snipping3::



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Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: MuffyBee on July 27, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
News from uh-roo-buh...  Some familiar names in this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/27/world/americas/aruba-us-venezuela-ex-general-arrested/
Venezuela: Aruba to release ex-general wanted in U.S.
July 27, 2014


(CNN) -- A retired Venezuelan military general will be released from custody in Aruba, days after authorities arrested him there, Venezuela's foreign minister said Sunday.
In remarks broadcast on state television, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Elias Jaua said Dutch officials had admitted that the detention of Hugo Carvajal violated his diplomatic immunity.
Carvajal, who is wanted in the United States for alleged drug-trafficking ties, was Venezuela's head of military intelligence from 2004 to 2008 and was tapped as the country's consul to Aruba this year.
He was arrested Wednesday night on his arrival in the Caribbean island.
Peter Blanken, chief prosecutor in Aruba, told CNN en Español last week that a judge decided the arrest was "legal and correct."
The arrest was based on a formal request from the United States. Blanken said Aruba was "obliged to cooperate" because of a treaty with the United States.
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro had said Carvajal was "illegally kidnapped." And Chris Lejuez, Carvajal's lawyer, argued that his client has diplomatic immunity, state media in Venezuela reported last week.
"No country can help another violate international treaties," he said, according to the state-run AVN news agency.
Carvajal had a diplomatic passport and a regular passport.
Venezuela's Foreign Ministry condemned what it called an unjust and unprecedented arrest and said officials were working through diplomatic channels to resolve the matter.
 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2014, 01:10:02 AM
A persona non grata like Joran was?   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://online.wsj.com/articles/netherlands-rules-venezuelan-detained-in-aruba-has-diplomatic-immunity-1406505987?mod=fox_australian

Netherlands Says Venezuelan Detained in Aruba Has Immunity
Aruban Authorities Free Former General Wanted by U.S. for Drug Trafficking

By
Juan Forero And
Dan Molinski
Updated July 27, 2014 10:59 p.m. ET

 ::snipping3::

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office, said the Netherlands, of which Aruba is a part, ruled that Mr. Carvajal had diplomatic immunity. Mr. Carvajal's release was announced at a news conference on the island by Arthur Dowers, the justice minister, and the chief prosecutor, Peter Blanken.

Mr. Blanken last week said Mr. Carvajal didn't have diplomatic immunity, and that he would remain jailed while the U.S. worked on extraditing him to face charges.

But he said officials in the Netherlands overruled judicial authorities on the island, with the foreign minister in The Hague explaining in a letter delivered on Sunday.

"There's a new point of view from foreign affairs in Holland," Mr. Blanken said. "Foreign affairs is not an Aruba matter, but a Dutch matter. They changed their mind."

Mr. Blanken added that Mr. Carvajal wouldn't be allowed back to Aruba. "He's a persona non grata."


Mr. Maduro thanked the Netherlands and called it "brave" for overruling the decision.

A senior U.S. official said the U.S. had been blindsided by the Dutch decision to free Mr. Carvajal. The official expressed enormous frustration that a man the U.S. considers a dangerous criminal is returning to freedom in Caracas.

"We don't agree with or understand the reasoning of the government of the Netherlands," said the official. "We totally disagree with their interpretation of the Vienna convention that Carvajal had to be released."

The official said that since the arrest, Venezuela had exerted enormous pressure on Aruba, threatening to shut commercial air service to the island, which Arubans say depends on large numbers of Venezuelan tourists.

Meanwhile, the U.S. official said Venezuela's state-owned oil company also warned it would walk away from a refinery it runs on the neighboring island Curaçao, which is also Dutch, threatening 8,000 jobs.

Venezuelan officials couldn't be reached for comment on the allegations. But Mr. Maduro last week said Venezuela would try to win Mr. Carvajal's release employing "all the force of the state."

The fast turn of events is a setback for American efforts to fight narcotics in the region. On Thursday, a day after Mr. Carvajal was detained at the airport in Oranjestad, indictments were unsealed in Miami and New York accusing the former general of helping traffic cocaine to the U.S.

In the Miami indictment, Mr. Carvajal was accused of taking bribes from late Colombian kingpin Wilber Varela, who was killed in 2008, in return allowing Mr. Varela to export cocaine to the U.S. from Venezuela and avoid arrest by Venezuelan authorities. In the New York indictment, prosecutors accused him of coordinating the smuggling of more than 12,000 pounds of cocaine in April 2006 from Venezuela that was bound for the U.S.

In 2008, the U.S. Treasury Department put Mr. Carvajal on a blacklist that sanctions Americans for doing business with him, alleging he had protected the drug-trafficking operations of a Colombian rebel group and assisted the guerrillas with weapons and logistical help.

Mr. Carvajal couldn't be reached for comment, but he and the Venezuelan government have denied American claims of wrongdoing, saying his reputation was being tarnished for political reasons.

Mr. Maduro said that in coming days he would refute all allegations made against Mr. Carvajal, which he said were being trumped up by evidence fabricated by international foes trying to topple the Venezuelan government.

—José de Córdoba
and Kejal Vyas
contributed to this article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2014, 01:11:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




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Post by: grace-land on July 28, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
Busted!  ::boxjoran::

http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-tenia-moderno-celular-su-poder-2017438 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-tenia-moderno-celular-su-poder-2017438)

Google translation

Monday July 28, 2014 | 18:23
Joran van der Sloot was modern in cellular power!

A Modern cell he was seized, the morning of Monday, July 28, Dutch Joran van der Sloot in his cell the Criminal Ancon I (Piedras Gordas) in an operation between officers of the National Police and officials of the INPE.  ::snipping3::

The operation was performed when all heard the Message to the Nation by President Ollanta Humala. "When the police and INPE personnel entered the Pavilion No.7 found seven prisoners talking on cell phones, including Joran van der Sloot, who was presumed had been using the device to play the lottery," said a source, as Trome reported July 10.

With the authorities in that flag, proceeded to review the technological device, finding your contacts, the number of his lawyer, his wife and an official of the Consulate of Netherlands in Peru.

"The cell was made of diposición authorities turn. The INPE is requesting the lifting of the secrecy of communications in order to know what people outside had contact with the convicts who knew and possession of prohibited items, "the source told Trome.


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Post by: cadillac on July 29, 2014, 07:49:24 AM
Geez- who is surprised?  He seems to have too many privileges.

Where's the karma train?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 29, 2014, 05:22:55 PM
Geez- who is surprised?  He seems to have too many privileges.

Where's the karma train?

Not surprised...and waiting patiently... :smt069


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 29, 2014, 05:29:47 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3705244/2014/07/29/Joran-van-der-Slot-gokte-met-smartphone-vanuit-zijn-cel.dhtml (http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3705244/2014/07/29/Joran-van-der-Slot-gokte-met-smartphone-vanuit-zijn-cel.dhtml)

Google translation

"Joran van der Slot gambled with smartphone from his cell '
29-7-14 - 22:07

Piedras Gordas prison in Peru yesterday smartphones confiscated at seven detainees including Joran van der Sloot. He and his fellow prisoners used the phone presumably to gamble in the lottery, reports the newspaper Trome.

Van der Sloot are illegal phone ownership saw punishable by a stay of two weeks in solitary confinement, declared his lawyer opposite the Dutch news agency Novum News today. According Máximo Altez his client had to give up his smartphone after he refused to pay for the possession of the unit. Prison director 'bribe'
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on July 29, 2014, 07:41:28 PM
Wonder if the wifey gets to visit him in solitary? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2014, 09:19:51 PM
http://bronxville.dailyvoice.com/neighbors/happy-birthday-bronxville-s-john-quinlan-kelly


Happy Birthday To Bronxville’s John Quinlan Kelly
by Daily Voice Neighbors 07/31/14

BRONXVILLE, N.Y. -- Happy Birthday to Bronxville’s John Quinlan Kelly!

John Quinlan Kelly, a long time Bronxville resident, turns 61 on Thursday.

Kelly, a New York City attorney specializing in high-profile wrongful death cases, was born July 31, 1953, in Evanston, Ill. He received a bachelor of arts degree from Georgetown University and his J.D. from Suffolk University. He was admitted to the bar in 1981. He served as an assistant prosecutor in the Queens District Attorney's Office before going into private practice.

Some of his notable cases include the following.

    Estate of Nicole Brown Simpson versus O.J. Simpson.
    Attorney for Beth Holloway Twitty in Natalie Holloway disappearance.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2014, 01:04:29 AM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/aruba-says-venezuela-raised-military-pressure-on-it-1406594604

Aruba Says Venezuela Raised Military Pressure on It

By
Kejal Vyas and
José de Córdoba
July 28, 2014 8:43 p.m. ET

CARACAS—The Netherlands' release of a former top Venezuelan official wanted by the U.S. for alleged drug trafficking came after Venezuela raised economic and military pressure on two Dutch islands in the Caribbean, a top Aruban official said Monday.

Aruba's chief prosecutor Peter Blanken said that Venezuelan navy ships neared Aruba and Curaçao over the weekend as Dutch officials were debating what to do with Hugo Carvajal —Venezuela's former chief of military intelligence who was jailed in Aruba last week on a U.S. warrant.

"The threat was there," Mr. Blanken said. "We don't know what their intentions were, but I think a lot of people in Aruba were scared that something would happen."

Mr. Blanken said Venezuela's government also had threatened to sever Venezuela's vital commercial air links to Aruba and Curaçao. Venezuela's state oil company also threatened to withdraw from a contract to manage Curaçao's refinery, Mr. Blanken said, which would have put at risk some 8,000 jobs.

Aruban officials on Wednesday detained Mr. Carvajal, known as "el Pollo," or "the Chicken," but then released him on Sunday night after the Dutch government ruled that he was protected by diplomatic immunity. The decision overruled Aruban officials who had decided that the Venezuelan had no immunity because he hadn't been confirmed as consul by the Dutch government.

Much to the dismay of U.S. officials, Mr. Carvajal flew to Caracas on Sunday night to a hero's welcome from President Nicolás Maduro.

Annemijn van den Broek, a spokeswoman for the Dutch Foreign Ministry, said the decision to release Mr. Carvajal was made solely on legal grounds. She confirmed Venezuelan ships had come close to the islands, but said the Dutch Ministry of Defense had been told by the Venezuelans that the ships were returning from a naval exercise.

"I understand that the people on the island had a sense of urgency, but we have confirmation that this had nothing to do with the case," she said.

Ms. Van den Broek declined to comment on any threats of economic sanctions by Venezuela, but said the Venezuelan government made it clear they "were not amused by the situation."

 ::snipping3::

"We are disturbed by credible reports that have come to us indicating the Venezuelan government threatened the governments of Aruba, the Netherlands and others to obtain this result," said Susan Bridenstine, a U.S. State Department spokeswoman. "This is not the way law enforcement matters should be handled."

She said the Dutch decided to release Mr. Carvajal "on the basis of claims of immunity that are beyond established international norms."

Manhattan federal prosecutors, who unsealed an indictment against Mr. Carvajal late Thursday, were blindsided by his release, said a person familiar with the matter. Prosecutors wouldn't have filed a provisional arrest warrant without believing there was a high likelihood of successfully extraditing Mr. Carvajal, the person said.

Officials in the Manhattan U.S. attorney's office feel the Dutch caved in to pressure from Venezuela, the person said. The officials fear the release could hurt the office's relationship with its network of confidential sources, who could be reluctant to share further information if it doesn't lead to results, the person said.

Andy Lee, director of Aruba's foreign affairs department, said Mr. Carvajal was deemed "persona non grata" and won't be permitted back to Aruba, a decision he said was passed down from Foreign Ministry officials in The Hague.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2014, 01:15:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_pnk1l.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2014, 01:16:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2014, 12:16:32 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/188663-enormous-development-in-judicial-field-despite-limited-means

'Enormous development in judicial field despite limited means'    
Thursday, 31 July 2014 10:20

ORANGE CITY - Today is the last workday of field officer of Justice, Peter Blanken. It's exactly five years That he's living and working on the island. In part one of a final interview the Amigoe talks with the field officer about his experience on the island. "Despite the own limits, zoals Limited Financial Means, Aruba is doing very well in the judicial field and no matter how difficultness, mostly meets the strict quality requirement from the Netherlands and Europe."

By our reporter

Jack Eliene Geeveston

"I've had a fantastic time," Blanken said. "But now it's time to turn the switch." Back to the Netherlands - to the busy commuter traffic and the rain - where he will set to work as solicitor general. But, Whites Emphasized, "working every place has its charm."

Emotional drama

"Cases are not solved That will always stick in my mind," Blanken said when asked about his most impressive experience in the past five years. "For example, the murder of Castro Poentje three years ago." Television presenter and journalist investigation Castro was found dead in his own garden in December 2010; he been shot dead. had There's still no trace of the perpetrator or perpetrators. But the case That by far made the most impression on Whites is the shooting incident at the Renaissance Mall on February 2012 when members of the special squad had shot dead two suspects, who later on Appeared to have been unarmed. "That bullets from the special squad had ended the lives of two people was a terrible tragedy. Emotions played a huge role in this case; Arose dissension in the society. "Apart from the drama, the investigation was very fascinating, and of course, the final decision not to prosecute the police officers. "I had to explain this to the relatives and through a press conference usefull to the people of Aruba. Although the next-of-kin not filed a compliant with the Communal Court, they had started a procedure for damages; it's still in the minds of the victim's family. "

 ::snipping3::


Later this week the Daily Herald will publish part two of the final interview with elaborate field officer Peter Blanken.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2014, 12:20:46 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/188799-zaak-nog-open-maar-onderzoek-ligt-stil&usg=ALkJrhjlNoy-8KxBkAe5WEMj7kGKz8siRA

Google translation:

"Case Robyn Gardner still open but research is still"
Saturday, August 2, 2014 12:16

ORANGE CITY - The case of the disappeared in Aruba in 2011, American Robyn Gardner is formally still open but the investigation into the disappearance - and presumed dead - the woman has stopped ....
Read more ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on August 05, 2014, 12:20:58 PM
Busted!  ::boxjoran::

http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-tenia-moderno-celular-su-poder-2017438 (http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-tenia-moderno-celular-su-poder-2017438)

Google translation

Monday July 28, 2014 | 18:23
Joran van der Sloot was modern in cellular power!

A Modern cell he was seized, the morning of Monday, July 28, Dutch Joran van der Sloot in his cell the Criminal Ancon I (Piedras Gordas) in an operation between officers of the National Police and officials of the INPE.  ::snipping3::

The operation was performed when all heard the Message to the Nation by President Ollanta Humala. "When the police and INPE personnel entered the Pavilion No.7 found seven prisoners talking on cell phones, including Joran van der Sloot, who was presumed had been using the device to play the lottery," said a source, as Trome reported July 10.

With the authorities in that flag, proceeded to review the technological device, finding your contacts, the number of his lawyer, his wife and an official of the Consulate of Netherlands in Peru.

"The cell was made of diposición authorities turn. The INPE is requesting the lifting of the secrecy of communications in order to know what people outside had contact with the convicts who knew and possession of prohibited items, "the source told Trome.


Where does he get the money from? How does he always get the "preferred treatment?" Something stinks in Peru!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Serenity on August 05, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
I'm off the current subject,but I am curious to know if anyone else saw the photo of Valentijn and Theresa Caputo on his Facebook a few weeks ago? I asked Theresa on her facebook if she knew his brother Joran killed Stephanie and is accused of killing Natalee. She deleted me twice. Anyone out there have any info on this? I was curious if Valentijn was seeing her for a personal reading. Kinda fishy that she deleted me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2014, 07:49:13 PM
I'm off the current subject,but I am curious to know if anyone else saw the photo of Valentijn and Theresa Caputo on his Facebook a few weeks ago? I asked Theresa on her facebook if she knew his brother Joran killed Stephanie and is accused of killing Natalee. She deleted me twice. Anyone out there have any info on this? I was curious if Valentijn was seeing her for a personal reading. Kinda fishy that she deleted me.

It's been a while, but I saw a post or picture that said he was going to her show iirc.

Looks like they could be connected through the Super Artists entertainment agency.

http://www.superartists.com/theresa-caputo

http://www.superartists.com/author/valentijn-sloot



From Google search:

Quote
Valentijn Sloot | LinkedIn
www.linkedin.com/pub/valentijn-sloot/22/b28/8b0?trk=pub-pbmap
Los Angeles, California - ‎Agent at Super Artists, Inc.


http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Valentijn-Sloot/1871764456

 Valentijn Sloot
Agent
Phone: (310) ***-****  HQ Phone
Email: v***@***.com
Super Artists, Inc.
2910 Main St., FL 2
Santa Monica, California 90405
United States
Company Description: Super Artists, Inc. is a full-service entertainment agency providing clients a home for bookings that span national and worldwide tours, corporate engagements, and...   more


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
http://instagram.com/valentijnhere?modal=true

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfp1/10549902_1454749404778955_468816816_n.jpg)

valentijnhere
3 weeks ago · Bel-Air Country Club
#SocialTV Summit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
I hope Joran uses some of his internet time to look in on Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::

Don't you know it just eats him up inside.   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::monkeywine2::

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 06, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
I hope Joran uses some of his internet time to look in on Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::

Don't you know it just eats him up inside.   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::monkeywine2::

 ::boxjoran::



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 06, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
I hope Joran uses some of his internet time to look in on Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::

Don't you know it just eats him up inside.   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::monkeywine2::

 ::boxjoran::



 ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::buzzbee3::

Hi SuzyQ!!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on August 07, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
http://bronxville.dailyvoice.com/neighbors/happy-birthday-bronxville-s-john-quinlan-kelly


Happy Birthday To Bronxville’s John Quinlan Kelly
by Daily Voice Neighbors 07/31/14

BRONXVILLE, N.Y. -- Happy Birthday to Bronxville’s John Quinlan Kelly!

John Quinlan Kelly, a long time Bronxville resident, turns 61 on Thursday.

Kelly, a New York City attorney specializing in high-profile wrongful death cases, was born July 31, 1953, in Evanston, Ill. He received a bachelor of arts degree from Georgetown University and his J.D. from Suffolk University. He was admitted to the bar in 1981. He served as an assistant prosecutor in the Queens District Attorney's Office before going into private practice.

Some of his notable cases include the following.

    Estate of Nicole Brown Simpson versus O.J. Simpson.
    Attorney for Beth Holloway Twitty in Natalie Holloway disappearance.
 ::snipping3::


Yes!    ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on August 07, 2014, 08:23:33 PM
See how adorable I looked!!  I didn't even need that tiara.  (You are probably the only person in the world who could have found that picture!  Thanks for the memory.)

You're very welcome!  I always liked that avatar, even without the tiara.  That smiling stick figure is so cute!

I agree!!    ::MonkeyCool::   Hey Darleen!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on August 07, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
I'm off the current subject,but I am curious to know if anyone else saw the photo of Valentijn and Theresa Caputo on his Facebook a few weeks ago? I asked Theresa on her facebook if she knew his brother Joran killed Stephanie and is accused of killing Natalee. She deleted me twice. Anyone out there have any info on this? I was curious if Valentijn was seeing her for a personal reading. Kinda fishy that she deleted me.

You must have hit a nerve---that means she knows, in my view.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 07, 2014, 11:03:41 PM
I hope Joran uses some of his internet time to look in on Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::

Don't you know it just eats him up inside.   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::monkeywine2::

 ::boxjoran::



 ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::buzzbee3::

Hi SuzyQ!!   :smt006


 ::MonkeyCheer3:: Hi Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on August 10, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
I was in San Diego for two years  & often up to LA to visit clients. Makes me ill to think Joran's kin are earning a living there promoting talent. Very loose definition of the word  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::canadaflag2::

 ::MonkeyHeart:: to Klaas, TexasMom, Muffy & San

I 'see' Darlene came by looking for her tiara - leave it to Klaas to find it  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on August 10, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
where did that canadian flag come from in my previous post???????????????

 ::snipping3:: ::snipping3:: ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 10, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
where did that canadian flag come from in my previous post???????????????

 ::snipping3:: ::snipping3:: ::snipping3::

Hi none!  It's good to see you.  Hope all is well with you and your family.   ::buzzbee3::

 I was scratching my head when you had the Canadian flag there in your post.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Then I saw your second post wondering how it got there.  Maybe it's gremlins.  I've had things like that happen.  One possible explanation would be you picked up the Canadian flag icon with your mouse when you were intending to only use  the
::MonkeyNoNo::  icon.  Or it could be gremlins...  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm not a fan of any of the Sloots, particularly the immediate family.  Frankly, I believe each and every one of them (even the one that seems more normal) either helped obstruct, cover up, lie or have some kind of knowledge of what happened to Natalee.  I just don't believe anyone could live in the same house and keep all those secrets. Even if one overheard something or saw something, it may have helped Natalee or her family.  I don't expect any of them to have an attack on conscience though.  JMHO

No free passes with the Sloots in my book. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
I was in San Diego for two years  & often up to LA to visit clients. Makes me ill to think Joran's kin are earning a living there promoting talent. Very loose definition of the word  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::canadaflag2::

 ::MonkeyHeart:: to Klaas, TexasMom, Muffy & San

I 'see' Darlene came by looking for her tiara - leave it to Klaas to find it  ::MonkeyKiss::

Great to see you nonesuche!   ::HelloKitty::

Makes me ill too.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2014, 04:40:43 PM
::snipping3:: ::snipping3:: ::snipping3::

 ::snipping3::

I'm not a fan of any of the Sloots, particularly the immediate family.  Frankly, I believe each and every one of them (even the one that seems more normal) either helped obstruct, cover up, lie or have some kind of knowledge of what happened to Natalee.  I just don't believe anyone could live in the same house and keep all those secrets. Even if one overheard something or saw something, it may have helped Natalee or her family.  I don't expect any of them to have an attack on conscience though.  JMHO

No free passes with the Sloots in my book. 

Absolutely, I agree!    ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 15, 2014, 08:57:59 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »

This is the way I see things, I welcome anyone showing me where my thinking differs from theirs.

Joran, once again, ends up taking advantage of the system.  Even without marrying his pregnant girlfriend, he already had the right to have conjugal visits with this woman.  Joran is managing to live the high life in prison while Natalee and Stephany's loved ones continue to suffer from their losses; the way he lives is one huge continuous slap in the faces of the families of his victims. 

Marrying Leidy only gives the baby his last name.  Whether he marries her or not, he still gets to have sex with her and maintain their relationship, nothing really changes.  He courted a woman without spending a dime, not many people can say that.  His room and board are paid for, his meals are paid for, nothing was or is paid for by him, while people who are not in prison struggle to maintain these very things.  Everything was paid for by the good people of Peru, including his medical and dental while hard working people struggle to pay for and get the insurance and medical procedures they desperately need. 

What is the difference whether he marries her or not?  He already 'got the cow for free' without 'paying for the milk.'  Even if they get married, he still gets sent to the US to answer to his crimes against Beth.  That does not change from what I understand.  The only truly innocent person here is his baby and now s/he gets to be part of a family and at least has the illusion that his/her parents loved each other.  The main problem with this is his/her father has one of the worst criminal minds.  He has no conscience and everyone who sees his child's name will ostracize the poor kid.  What parent is going to want his/her child to be mixed up with that family? 

Either way the child loses.  I did not realize how important a father was to the child until I heard kids talking about their missing parent.  If the parent is deceased, they make up stories in their minds about a perfect parent they are missing out on knowing.  I hear children talking about a parent they never met, giving them almost god-like characteristics and day dreaming about the parent showing up one day, whisking them away, and taking them off to their castle (or whatever dream of rescue the children have going on in their minds that day.  The real loser in all this is the child of Van der Sloot.  She should have kept her Van der Slit closed. 

The child is the one who is not being thought about in the situation and if Joran's wife had any compassion for her child, she would give him/her up for adoption.  How does anyone expect Joran's child to have a decent life?  It is not going to happen.  She can have all the sex she wants with Joran, just don't let any innocent children get hurt.  They are the innocent ones who are going to have to pay for his crimes.  Obviously, his wife is no great judge of character.  Until she can make better choices, she should not have kids.

I do not expect this marriage to last.  I think she has some sort of romantic fantasy playing in her head where she changes Joran from his evil ways and turns him into a good guy.  His brain is wired to be evil, to be violent, to be a liar, and to be a murderer if he does not get his way.  Why he, a multiple murderer, is allowed to live the life he is living off the backs of hard-working people from Peru is beyond what I can comprehend.  They will be divorced when the paint from the delusional picture she is painting begins to dry, crack, and fade.

God bless the little one she is carrying.  This infant will be carrying the weight of his/her mother's poor decisions for the rest of his/her life.  So very sad.  Joran ruins everyone he touches.


He has some motive in this - bet on it!
She is no better. She was having sex ewwwww with that small pecker in a prison no less that has a nasty hole in the floor for his poop. The smell alone would have run most decent common sense woman off. Well, I guess maybe not Mary.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

28 years is a long time to raise a child alone and wait for her babies daddy to get out. Oh yeah, he won't be getting out, he'll then be extradited to the U.S.

Hope his baby daughter never goes through the computer and finds the name Natalee Holloway!

 

I agree, I also feel he has a reason for this.  How many political candidates do you see that have pictures of their families that show what a great family wo/man they are.  Just because you procreate does not make you a good person, but a lot of people are wired to believe that or at least it makes them look better in the eyes of some constituents.  I wonder if this is his reasoning.

I think she suffers from low self esteem at the best and maybe mental illness or in some way has a capacity that she is not able to think clearly.  I hope she never disagrees with anything he does, including having other women.  Like a car-accident, Joran is irresistible to more people than I would care to admit.

Of course his child will Google (or whatever venue is used for looking up your name at the time), so will her classmates, and so will her classmates parents.  Right from the beginning, this child will be hounded and followed by the press.  She has no hope of a 'normal' life.  She will be dragged along from the beginning to visit her sperm donor in the smelly hole he resides in.  What kind of life will this child have?  Her mother is not a strong woman, what if this baby girl disagrees with her father or starts to blame him for the poor life she leads and her life will not be pretty.  I don't usually step in with my opinion about a woman and her child, but surely she should give this poor little girl a better home if she insists on continuing on with the father of this child. 

If not, surely child protective services or their counterpart will take pity on this poor little girl and remove her from the home of a woman who is clearly making horrible choices that the child will have to live with for the rest of her life.  She will be tried and convicted over and over again in the eyes of the people and the press.  Every tantrum she throws will be over-analyzed and she will not have a moment's peace.  Surely, someone will have a heart and talk to this woman about what she is doing not only to herself, she is an adult, after all, although she is an adult in need of therapy and lots of it, from a well-trained counselor, but also the innocent baby who is from here on out is going to be thought of as the spawn of the devil. 

No matter what, she does not have a chance, especially with a mother who now has proven, by her actions, she will not protect her daughter both from a convicted murdered and suspected multi-murderer, among many other crimes.  At the very least the actions of this child will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and the people of the world will have brainwashed this innocent child into believing she is the spawn of the devil, no matter what anyone tells her.  This baby will be the one who suffers and she will suffer painfully and cruelly.  Her life is marked.  I hope her mother gives her to a loving home, so that she will not be used as a pawn in her father's scheming plot, whatever it may be.

I cannot get this little one out of my mind.  A child is an innocent.  She is about to have a life of hell that her mother has the power to prevent, if her mother has any true power at all, which I doubt.  She too is a pawn that is being manipulated by the schemer.  Trouble is, his plan, as always will be thwarted by his temper and this child will have been sacrificed in vain.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 15, 2014, 09:05:44 AM
Congrats KTF!  ::MonkeyDance::

Congrats from me too KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Me three, KTF!

 ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 15, 2014, 09:09:05 AM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freudian slip, no?   ::MonkeyDevil::  Naw!  I noticed that when you posted it Wreck and I thought maybe you were just teasing KTF.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

I think it's a Wreck-ian slip.  (Does Wreck wear a slip?)

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 15, 2014, 09:13:51 AM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freudian slip, no?   ::MonkeyDevil::  Naw!  I noticed that when you posted it Wreck and I thought maybe you were just teasing KTF.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

I think it's a Wreck-ian slip.  (Does Wreck wear a slip?)

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyEek::


Only on the first date or so!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
IMO they know they are losing and this is a desperation move

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 15, 2014, 10:46:44 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 22, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
Thanks, to all the Monkey's! Natalee's situation has been crossing my mind, more so this quarter, as I'm taking Human Rights Law. Next quarter I will be taking International Human Rights, so Natalee will again be on my mind. Hope all is well with everyone and God is blessing you all. He is doing amazing things in my life!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::monkeywine2::

Heavens to Betsy!!! I just noticed I addressed you as "WTF"!!!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freudian slip, no?   ::MonkeyDevil::  Naw!  I noticed that when you posted it Wreck and I thought maybe you were just teasing KTF.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

I think it's a Wreck-ian slip.  (Does Wreck wear a slip?)

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyEek::


Only on the first date or so!   ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 22, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::bee::

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2014, 07:26:19 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::bee::

 ::rhino::



 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
http://sanangelolive.com/news/2014-08-21/natalee-holloways-mother-keynote-girls-night-out-junell-center

Natalee Holloway's Mother to Keynote "Girls Night Out" at Junell Center

by Matt McDaniel

Aug 21, 2014

(http://sanangelolive.com/sites/default/files/styles/iosslider_node/public/field/image/BethHolloway.jpg?itok=IhQjRXMq)

Beth Holloway has advocated tirelessly for the safety of women and girls since the highly publicized disappearance of her daughter Natalee in 2005 on her senior trip to Aruba. A New York Times bestselling author and veteran educator, Holloway has delivered her message of hope, faith and personal safety to tens of thousands of students and parents in the past decade. On August 25th, she will be speaking at the Laura Bush Foundation's "Girls Night Out" event at ASU's Junell Center.

Girls Night Out is a free event aiming to raise awareness about physical,mental, and emotional health for women during their college years. Set in a fun and interactive environment, this event provides an opportunity for college women to learn new skills to stay safe, protect themselves, and make good personal choices while in college. Students, staff, and faculty at Angelo State University and Howard College, as well as women stationed at Goodfellow Air Force Base, are invited to attend.

Keynote speaker Beth Holloway will share her story as the mother of Natalee Holloway, the high school senior whose disappearance during her senior trip to Aruba in 2005 made headlines all over the world. Holloway will speak to attendees about her experience following her daughter’s alleged kidnapping and murder, and will address the issue of personal safety as it applies to young women.

Her inspiring and empowering message has captivated audiences of all ages across the country and will provide students attending the event with tools and information to protect themselves and address potential threats to their safety. The Voice finalist and country musician Holly Tucker will also perform a concert at the event. Additional speakers include Catie Wiedenhofer, RAD women’s instructor and personal defense specialist, and Richelle Blanc, women’s rights attorney and educator from Dallas, Texas.

WHEN: Monday, August 25, 2014. The event will be held from 6 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.

WHERE: Angelo State University Junell Center, 2235 S. Jackson St

The event is free and open to all college students, faculty, and staff at.State University and Howard College, as well as women stationed at Goodfellow Air Force Base.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 23, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-van-der-sloot-overgeplaatst-na-vondst-telefoons

Google translation

1 hour 51 minutes ago
Joran van der Sloot was transferred after finding phones

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De Challapalca-gevangenis in Peru

Joran van der Sloot was transferred to the notorious prison Challapalca in southern Peru because two mobile phones were found with him. Reported that his lawyer on RTL Boulevard.

According to Joran's lawyer Maxim Altez it in the new Criminal place too dangerous for Joran because of the cold and because he runs the risk of being killed. Altez has filed a complaint against the transfer. Joran van der Sloot, who is about to become a father of twins, has been transferred to his new home today. According to his wife Leidy, who in September was calculated, his family is desperate, she tells RTL Boulevard.

The Challapalca prison is one of the worst prisons in South America. The complex is located in an icy mountain region near Bolivia, also called the 'Syberie Peru. It's freezing cold, there are too few blankets, mattresses are damp and icy wash water directly from the river. This is contained in a report by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights in 2003.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 23, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3723807/2014/08/23/Joran-van-der-Sloot-voor-straf-naar-Siberie-van-Peru.dhtml

Joran van der Sloot for punishment to "Siberia of Peru '
23-8-14 - 20:07

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 ::snipping3::

It is not known whether the same two cell phones smart phones are the end of July in the Piedras Gordas prison were confiscated by Van der Sloot and six other inmates. They would have used to gamble in the lottery. Appliances Joran saw his phone illegal possession punishable by a stay of two weeks in a punishment cell, declared his lawyer at the time.

According Máximo Altez his client had to relinquish its smartphone after he refused to pay for the possession of the unit. Prison director 'bribe'

Early 2012 reports were circulating that Joran van der Sloot would be transferred to the Challapalca prison. Which is due to its isolated location high in the mountains and low temperatures also called the "Siberia of Peru 'called. Turned out to be. Unfounded those messages

murder
Joran van der Sloot is jailed for 28 years for the murder of Peruvian student Stephany Flores in May 2010, he had met her in the Atlantic City casino in Lima. In the Castro Castro prison where Van der Sloot previously trapped, he was also once caught in possession of a mobile phone. Which is banned in Peruvian prisons.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 23, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::  ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyDance::

Awesome!  The Siberia of Peru!  Hope he rots in hell there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2014, 02:26:35 AM
::MonkeyDance::  ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyDance::

Awesome!  The Siberia of Peru!  Hope he rots in hell there.

 ::rhino::

Wow, if this is true and I'm looking at the map correctly it's 870 miles from Piedras Gordas?

Yooooohooooo Anitaaaaa, Leidy needs another house nearby!    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Didn't they say before that this baby is a girl, and now it's twins?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on August 24, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
TWINS?

Oh my word. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/van-der-sloot-moved-remote-peruvian-prison-25106043 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/van-der-sloot-moved-remote-peruvian-prison-25106043)


Van Der Sloot Moved to Remote Peruvian Prison
LIMA, Peru — Aug 24, 2014, 4:50 PM ET
By The Associated Press
Associated Press

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, has been moved to a remote Peruvian penitentiary after authorities said he threatened to kill the warden of the prison where he was serving a 28-year term for murder.

Peruvian prison spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez told The Associated Press that the 27-year-old Dutchman was moved Sunday to Challapalca, located high in the Andes near the Bolivian border. He previously was held at a prison north of Lima.

Van der Sloot was the last person seen with Holloway, who vanished while on a graduation trip to Aruba. He is imprisoned for killing Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old Peruvian business student in 2010. He married his pregnant Peruvian girlfriend in a prison ceremony last month.

 ::boxjoran:: ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2014, 06:15:53 PM
http://peru.com/actualidad/mi-ciudad/joran-vander-sloot-amenazo-muerte-al-director-inpe-video-noticia-278559

Google translation:

Joran Van der Sloot threatened to kill the director of INPE

Joran Van der Sloot was transferred to Challapalca. (Photo: Capture 90 Seconds)

Sunday August 24, 2014 - 9:42 | 2929 views

Move to Dutch Joran Van der Sloot to prison in Puno. (Video: 90 Seconds)

Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot did not support the INPE ordered his transfer to Challapalca full of anger and threatened to kill the officers.

Lime. A new scandal starred Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, who during his transfer to the maximum security prison Challapalca in Puno, threatened to kill the manager and security chief of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

The Dutchman, who is serving a sentence of 28 years in prison in Piedras Gordas prison for killing young Stephany Flores, was one of 31 prisoners who were to Puno, but did not survive the transfer order and shouting made ​​the threat .

The words of Van der Sloot were heard for 10 correctional officers.

It was learned that the young man asked that the decision be reconsidered claiming his transfer soon to be father. Furthermore, referring to this unexpected transfer may affect your mental health.

Meanwhile, the INPE said has strengthened security measures for staff threatened.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2014, 06:32:26 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/trasladan-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-challapalca-noticia-1752046

Google translation:

Sunday August 24, 2014 | 11:08

Move to Joran Van der Sloot to Challapalca

The INPE decided to transfer to prison because she starred saw fight with another inmate on a cell
   
Ana Briceno

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was transferred to Challapalca in Puno, after starring in a fight with another inmate on a cell, Latin News reported.

Before being taken to prison saw the murderer of Stephany Flores filmed inside his cell and recorded testimony, which ensures that the prison director of Ancon I handed him a cell phone. "The director himself came to give me that phone. Dont know why, but I think for me the Trafa" he said.

The Dutch will have to endure the cold climate in Challapalca where morning temperatures ranging between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius, while in the mornings than 20 degrees below zero.

Van der Sloot to be a father in September. In late July he married Lady Peruvian Figueroa in jail. His lawyer, Maximum Highness, denied that the wedding has been a strategy to avoid extradition to the United States, where it is required by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the news, the foreigner asked that the decision be reconsidered claiming his transfer soon to be father. Also, because this "unexpected transfer may affect your mental health."

On the other hand, was released on medical certificate from the Dutch, in which the head of the health area of Ancon I, Carlos Otiniano, said Van der Sloot has personality disorder Conduct and claustrophobic syndrome.

The Dutchman is serving 28 years for murdering Stephanie Flores in 2010.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/joran-van-der-sloot-es-trasladado-a-penal-de-puno,5259862a1f808410VgnVCM3000009af154d0RCRD.html

Google translation:

August 24, 2014 • 12:04

Joran Van der Sloot was transferred to prison in Puno

The Dutchman is serving 28 years for murdering Stephanie Flores in 2010.

The Dutch citizen will be father in September, due to its relationship with the Peruvian Lady Figueroa.
Photo: Andina

The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) ordered the transfer of the Dutch Joran van der Sloot to Challapalca in Puno, after starring in a fight with another inmate for possession of a cell.

America News released a video recorded by van der Sloot, who is serving 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, which ensures that the prison director of Ancon I handed him a cell phone. "The director himself came to give me that phone. Dont know why, but I think for me the Trafa" he said.

According to the news, the foreigner asked that the decision be reconsidered claiming his transfer soon to be father. Also, because this "unexpected transfer may affect your mental health."

As you know, Joran van der Sloot, who in late July married Peruvian Lady Figueroa in the same prison, he will be a father in September. In addition, the prisoner was diagnosticad of Conduct personality disorder and claustrophobic syndrome, the same prison doctor I Ancon

The Dutch will have to endure the cold climate in Challapalca where morning temperatures ranging between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius, while in the mornings than 20 degrees below zero.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 24, 2014, 09:34:40 PM
Best news I've heard in a long time.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2014, 12:14:14 AM
at the end of the day...urine will die!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2014, 10:29:19 PM
I wonder how many cell towers are nearby? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 25, 2014, 10:36:09 PM
I wonder how many cell towers are nearby? ::MonkeyCool::

Good question.   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2014, 11:41:05 PM
at the end of the day...urine will die!

 :?: :smt017 :?:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on August 26, 2014, 08:22:51 AM
Is it just me because I want him to stay in "Siberia" until it's time to come to Birmingham and face the parents of Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 26, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
Is it just me because I want him to stay in "Siberia" until it's time to come to Birmingham and face the parents of Natalee.

Sounds good to me.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 26, 2014, 10:58:36 AM
IIRC, he did the same thing before.   ::boxjoran::

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/joran_van_der_sloot_on_hunger.php

Joran van der Sloot on hunger strike after Peruvian prison move
Tuesday 26 August 2014

Joran van der Sloot, currently serving a 28-year sentence for murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores and still suspected of the murder of American student Natalee Holloway, is on hunger strike, broadcaster Nos said on Tuesday. Van der Sloot has stopped eating because he has been transferred to a different prison in Peru, Nos says. According to one report, he was transferred for threatening the prison governor after twice being caught with a mobile phone.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2014, 12:52:05 PM
IIRC, he did the same thing before.   ::boxjoran::

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/joran_van_der_sloot_on_hunger.php

Joran van der Sloot on hunger strike after Peruvian prison move
Tuesday 26 August 2014

Joran van der Sloot, currently serving a 28-year sentence for murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores and still suspected of the murder of American student Natalee Holloway, is on hunger strike, broadcaster Nos said on Tuesday. Van der Sloot has stopped eating because he has been transferred to a different prison in Peru, Nos says. According to one report, he was transferred for threatening the prison governor after twice being caught with a mobile phone.
 ::snipping3::

Once again, I applaud any idiot wishing to kill himself with a hunger strike!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 26, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
IIRC, he did the same thing before.   ::boxjoran::

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/joran_van_der_sloot_on_hunger.php

Joran van der Sloot on hunger strike after Peruvian prison move
Tuesday 26 August 2014

Joran van der Sloot, currently serving a 28-year sentence for murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores and still suspected of the murder of American student Natalee Holloway, is on hunger strike, broadcaster Nos said on Tuesday. Van der Sloot has stopped eating because he has been transferred to a different prison in Peru, Nos says. According to one report, he was transferred for threatening the prison governor after twice being caught with a mobile phone.
 ::snipping3::


Hissy fit.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 26, 2014, 03:55:19 PM
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/25/joran-van-der-sloot-threatens-to-kill-and-gets-new-home/

Joran
   

From New York Post

Remote prison for killer Sloot
 LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, has been moved to a remote Peruvian penitentiary after he threatened to kill the warden of the prison where he was serving a 28-year term for the murder of a Peruvian woman, authorities said Sunday.

The Dutchman, 27, was moved to Challapalca, high in the Andes. AP

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, has been moved to a remote Peruvian penitentiary after he threatened to kill the warden of the prison where he was serving a 28-year term for the murder of a Peruvian woman, authorities said Sunday.

The Dutchman, 27, was moved to Challapalca, high in the Andes. AP ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 26, 2014, 04:00:23 PM
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/08/25/peru-moves-van-der-sloot-to-tougher-prison/

Peru moves Van der Sloot to tougher prison

Published August 25, 2014/
EFE




Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a 28-year sentence for the 2010 murder of a Peruvian woman, was transferred to a maximum-security prison for threatening the warden of the penitentiary where he was being held, officials told Efe Monday.

Van der Sloot, notorious as the chief suspect in the 2005 disappearance of 18-year-old U.S. student Natalee Holloway in Aruba, responded with threats when an illegal cellphone was confiscated from him, officials of the Inpe prisons administration said.

He was subsequently transferred from Piedras Gordas penitentiary, on the outskirts of Lima, to the Challapalca prison, which sits at an altitude of 4,800 meters (15,737 feet)  ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2014, 09:22:27 PM
Is it just me because I want him to stay in "Siberia" until it's time to come to Birmingham and face the parents of Natalee.

He's where he should have been from the beginning, and I hope they keep him there!

His sick sense of entitlement has only been encouraged in the other prisons, I hope it's different in Chalapalca.

Hunger strike?  Whatever....   ::MonkeyRoll::

Is it cold there yet?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

JMO

 ::boxjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
I'm guessing he will get a few less "visitors" up there as we'll! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on August 26, 2014, 10:54:30 PM
I so hope this news gives Natalee's family some comfort


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 26, 2014, 10:59:52 PM
::MonkeyDance::  ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyDance::

Awesome!  The Siberia of Peru!  Hope he rots in hell there.

He hasn't learned a thing.  He goes straight to killer mode.  Does anyone still have any doubt about what happened to Natalee?

They will be keeping him on ice until he meets the family of Natalee.  By that time, I am sure her brother will have a few words for him, too.

I hope Lady F. puts her child/ren up for adoption.  His reputation should not be connected to a tiny baby. 

It's not the anniversary of Natalee's death.  The warden was not looking at pictures of Natalee.  All the things he blamed Stephany's killing on.  How are you going to make this Natalee and Beth's fault now, Joran?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 26, 2014, 11:03:14 PM
I so hope this news gives Natalee's family some comfort

Hi Nonesy!

I hope he survives to see Natalee's family.  They have been waiting a long time.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2014, 11:11:38 PM
::MonkeyDance::  ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyDance::

Awesome!  The Siberia of Peru!  Hope he rots in hell there.

He hasn't learned a thing.  He goes straight to killer mode.  Does anyone still have any doubt about what happened to Natalee?

They will be keeping him on ice until he meets the family of Natalee.  By that time, I am sure her brother will have a few words for him, too.

I hope Lady F. puts her child/ren up for adoption.  His reputation should not be connected to a tiny baby. 

It's not the anniversary of Natalee's death.  The warden was not looking at pictures of Natalee.  All the things he blamed Stephany's killing on.  How are you going to make this Natalee and Beth's fault now, Joran?


"keeping him on ice" quite literally!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on August 26, 2014, 11:22:56 PM
I so hope this news gives Natalee's family some comfort

Hi Nonesy!

I hope he survives to see Natalee's family.  They have been waiting a long time.



Hi Bearly!

Me too!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2014, 11:39:33 PM
I so hope this news gives Natalee's family some comfort

 ::rhino:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 27, 2014, 05:08:13 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/27/joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-hunger-strike-to-protest-prison-switch/

Joran van der Sloot goes on hunger strike to protest prison switch


Published August 27, 2014
·FoxNews.com

Joran van der Sloot -- the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway – has gone on a hunger strike to protest his transfer to a maximum security jail in Peru.

Peruvian prison spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez told The Associated Press that the 27-year-old Dutchman was moved Sunday to Challapalca, located high in the Andes near the Bolivian border. He previously was held at a prison north of Lima.










Authorities said van der Sloot -- who is serving a 28-year term for murdering Stephany Flores in 2010 -- was moved because he threatened to kill the warden of the Piedras Gordas prison, where he was imprisoned.

Van der Sloot said he has gone on the hunger strike to protest the move, the BBC reports.

Guards at Piedras Gordas said van der Sloot became agitated after they took away a mobile phone that he smuggled into his cell, but van der Sloot claims the warden gave him the device as “a set-up.”

His lawyer added that van der Sloot has "a problem with the director” of the Piedras Gordas facility, according to the BBC.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 27, 2014, 05:19:44 PM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3861840/joran-van-sloot-zeker-half-jaar-in-strafgevangenis.html

Google translation

published:       August 27, 2014 06:50
Last update:    August 27, 2014 07:36
Joran van der Sloot certainly half years in prison

 ::snipping3::
Joran van der Sloot stay at least six months in Challapalca prison as punishment.

That leaves a spokesman for the prison authority INPE know. "It's not just his phone ownership. His behavior has deteriorated," said a spokeswoman.

The Dutchman was Friday morning of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima transferred to the Challapalca prison in southern Peru. The immediate reason was that he was recently caught again having a cell phone, which is not allowed in his possession.

Saturday is Van der Sloot, according to his lawyer began a hunger strike in protest against the transfer. "Joran do not eat until he is replaced," said lawyer Maximo Altez. "It's a prison. His pregnant wife can not visit him there now."

The INPE spokesman says not to be of the hunger strike aware but states that inmates who opt come to be under medical supervision. "We can not force them to eat. This is on the detainee himself," said a spokeswoman.

The prison authority looks after six months or behavior of Van der Sloot has been improved, and decide whether he returns to the Piedras Gordas prison.  ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Port Valerie on August 27, 2014, 05:46:41 PM

Psychopath. Anger and defiance until the bitter end.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Port Valerie on August 27, 2014, 06:11:20 PM
I haven't been here for a while. Is something wrong with the clock?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 27, 2014, 06:13:19 PM

Psychopath. Anger and defiance until the bitter end.

 ::rhino::

Hi Port Valerie!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 27, 2014, 06:13:56 PM
I haven't been here for a while. Is something wrong with the clock?

Looks like it might be running a bit behind.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Port Valerie on August 27, 2014, 06:18:57 PM
Hi Muffy, I'm glad you're still here! Greta's blog had a link to a long article about the Peruvian prison. I'm pleased to see that JVS was sent there on Saturday, that it wasn't just a threat. Hard to think that there's any hope for him ever changing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 27, 2014, 07:10:32 PM
Hi Muffy, I'm glad you're still here! Greta's blog had a link to a long article about the Peruvian prison. I'm pleased to see that JVS was sent there on Saturday, that it wasn't just a threat. Hard to think that there's any hope for him ever changing.

I'm not sure a psychopath can be rehabilitated.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
Hi PV - looks like the clock is off by a few (maybe 15) minutes.  I'll let Red know.  I hadn't noticed.  It's probably been off for months, LOL.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on August 27, 2014, 08:14:28 PM
Someone try to explain to me- what does he think the purpose of a hunger strike is?

Does it get him sent to a medical unit?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Port Valerie on August 27, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
Hi Klass, so good to see you're still in charge! I had to remember how to post here -- that's when I noticed the clock. ::MonkeyHaHa:: One of those countries in northern South American runs a half hour different from everyone else. Thought it might be Peru and SM was on a JVS-watch! (Well, that would be weird!)

I'm pleased to see the recent developments. Thanks for staying on top of this!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Someone try to explain to me- what does he think the purpose of a hunger strike is?

Does it get him sent to a medical unit?


I think they stated 'we can't make him eat' .......see my previous thoughts on the matter!!
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2014, 11:29:32 PM
Someone try to explain to me- what does he think the purpose of a hunger strike is?

Does it get him sent to a medical unit?


As with most everything he does, my guess is he thinks he'll get his way...it's his only means of trying to have control; and of course he wants attention.  Like wreck said, they're not going to make him eat; and I think I read that they would medically monitor him but I don't know if he'd be in a medical unit for that or in his cell.  I really doubt he's going to go hungry long enough to matter!  If it's really cold there, he won't last long.  jmo

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I keep feeling like Mary Hamer's going to pop out of the woodwork at any minute!    ::MonkeyDevil2::::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2014, 11:39:16 PM
Remember that it is the dead of Winter in Peru this time of year! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 28, 2014, 03:59:53 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/27/joran-van-der-sloot-threat-kill-warden

Nancy Grace's take. video


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 28, 2014, 06:36:26 PM
Leydi Figueroa Uceda van der Sloot.

(http://revistavelaverde.pe/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/joran-van-der-sloot-2.jpg)
The marriage has been shielded so that the authorities of the INPE have not left anyone enter. Even the personal security of the municipality that we rode had to wait outside," says Yolanda Delgado, stealthy, as if it is still found in the mission that he was just hours before. Yolanda is the head of the Civil Registry of Ancon and had accompanied by the La Paz district, John Barreda, to seal the marriage of the ruthless killer dutch and his girlfriend, dressed in pearl, with a hairstyle done by the loooong Carlos Cacho. She was in charge of signing the marriage records.
Source: http://www.revistavelaverde.pe/cronica-de-un-matrimonio-tras-la-rejas/



(http://revistavelaverde.pe/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/joran-van-der-sloot1.jpg)
Photo Source: http://www.revistavelaverde.pe/cronica-de-un-matrimonio-tras-la-rejas/



(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/inline_large/public/content/images/2014/04/27/nummer2_0.jpg)
Photo Source: http://home.nowlive.eu/index.php?topic=1293.msg956339;topicseen


(http://vs01.frecuencialatina.com/videos/90/2014/07/05/34360f31d0296d0d_big.jpg)
Esposa of Joran celebrates their wedding with a beer and she's PREGNANT!
Photo Source: http://www.frecuencialatina.com/90/noticias/esposa-de-van-der-sloot-celebro-boda-con-orquesta-y-sin-el-holandes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
From the video at the link where Joran recorded his claim that he was "set up" by the warden.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/trasladan-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-challapalca-noticia-1752046

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg.html)

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Someone else is always to blame for his troubles.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2014, 08:06:55 PM
Remember that it is the dead of Winter in Peru this time of year! ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2014, 09:33:17 AM
From the video at the link where Joran recorded his claim that he was "set up" by the warden.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/trasladan-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-challapalca-noticia-1752046

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg.html)

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Someone else is always to blame for his troubles.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Mohawk is a fitting look for him, it goes with his psychopathic personality  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 29, 2014, 10:00:53 AM
It's all about choices.  Joran could have chosen differently in so many ways over so many years.  This is no different, except he has just started getting the consequences he deserves.  JMHO   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
http://www.elpopular.pe/actualidad-y-policiales/2014-08-29-joran-van-der-sloot-esposa-visito-holandes-en-penal-challapalca

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot: Dutchman wife visited in criminal Challapalca
August 29, 2014 | 5:00 a.m.

 ::snipping3::
As public abroad was being held in the prison of Piedras Gordas Ancon, serving a sentence of 28 years in prison for the crime of young Sthepanie Flores, and misbehavior was transferred to Challapalca, Puno, early Saturday. Leydi Figueroa, eight months pregnant, asked a special visit to INPE to know about the health status found her husband after his transfer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2014, 06:59:29 PM
It's all about choices.  Joran could have chosen differently in so many ways over so many years.  This is no different, except he has just started getting the consequences he deserves.  JMHO   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
From the video at the link where Joran recorded his claim that he was "set up" by the warden.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/ciudad/trasladan-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-challapalca-noticia-1752046

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/08282014_zpsdb7fe178.jpg.html)

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Someone else is always to blame for his troubles.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Mohawk is a fitting look for him, it goes with his psychopathic personality  ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2014, 12:09:36 PM
It's all about choices.  Joran could have chosen differently in so many ways over so many years.  This is no different, except he has just started getting the consequences he deserves.  JMHO   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::   ::buzzbee3::

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2014, 12:12:22 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/08/28/daily-commentary-thursday-august-28-2014-convicted-murdered-joran-van-der-sloot-transferred-to-notorious-peru-prison/

Daily Commentary – Thursday, August 28, 2014 – Convicted Murdered Joran van der Sloot Transferred to Notorious Peru Prison
 
Sloot was transferred after threatening to kill his warden after he was found to have an illegal cell phone in his cell. He has been transferred to Peru’s Challapalca Penitentiary


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 01, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/26/article-2733309-20CB430F00000578-768_634x423.jpg)
LIMA – At least 17 prisoners escaped Sunday morning from the Challapalca prison, in Peru’s Puno region, after allegedly taking some of their guards hostage,
http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=14095&ArticleId=471819



Even if you do escape - long ways to civilization

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FnDST0k7oiY/T0Kgxyb-nhI/AAAAAAAABTk/O8jdNwJ8RiE/s1600/Challapalca+03.jpg)
Photo cource: http://gaddafi.freesmfhosting.com/index.php?action=recent

Challapalca Prison, which is a penitentiary situated more than 4,600 meters above sea level, between the departments of Tacna and Puno, in the Andean Cordillera, near Peru’s border with Bolivia. 
In that same report, the Commission noted: some prisons, such as those at Challapalca and Yanamayo, are in totally inhospitable places, both cold and geographically isolated.  This makes it very difficult, in practice, for relatives to visit, because of the distance and other related obstacles.  In addition, the conditions of detention of many detainees are excessively severe, as they are practically not allowed to spend time in the yard nor to do physical exercise.[4] (Air is thin)
http://www.cidh.oas.org/countryrep/challapalca.eng/report.htm


MAYBE JORAN WILL DESIRE MAKING A DEAL NOW TO TELL BETH WHERE AND WHAT HE DID WITH NATALEE!




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
This was probably posted already.  This was in the headlines of the NY Daily News:

Joran Van der Sloot, suspect in Natalee Holloway disappearance, films self in jail: ‘I am making this video for my own security’

The 27-year-old convicted killer was transferred to a maximum security prison last month and quickly went on a hunger strike to protest the jail's conditions. The Dutch citizen is serving 28 years in prison for killing a Peruvian business student in 2010 and is the prime suspect in Holloway's 2005 disappearance.


BY MEG WAGNER  NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 9:23 AM

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/watch-joran-van-der-sloot-films-jail-article-1.1924567#ixzz3CAbBxCV7
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/watch-joran-van-der-sloot-films-jail-article-1.1924567


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2014, 10:34:41 AM
The sporter isn't looking too well lately.  My heart is bleeding for him (NOT).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2014, 11:21:56 AM
The sporter isn't looking too well lately.  My heart is bleeding for him (NOT).
Island boy is not likely to be feeling well at 15,700 ft with or without food. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Video of Joran being checked into his new prison:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Video of Joran being checked into his new prison:
<iframe frameborder="0" width="698" height="503" scrolling="no" id="molvideoplayer" title="MailOnline Embed Player" src="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1117085.html" ></iframe>
When I first looked at the pictures, I thought the guards were wearing masks for anonymity, then realized it was too keep warm!! They all have coats and ear muffs on!!! ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2014, 09:28:50 PM
Video of Joran being checked into his new prison:
<iframe frameborder="0" width="698" height="503" scrolling="no" id="molvideoplayer" title="MailOnline Embed Player" src="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1117085.html" ></iframe>
When I first looked at the pictures, I thought the guards were wearing masks for anonymity, then realized it was too keep warm!! They all have coats and ear muffs on!!! ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

  Joran is chillin' like a villain.  Literally!!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Did ya'll notice his little pony tails?!   ::monkeydust::

Maybe he grew those out for his wedding.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2014, 11:56:02 PM
Video of Joran being checked into his new prison:
<iframe frameborder="0" width="698" height="503" scrolling="no" id="molvideoplayer" title="MailOnline Embed Player" src="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1117085.html" ></iframe>
When I first looked at the pictures, I thought the guards were wearing masks for anonymity, then realized it was too keep warm!! They all have coats and ear muffs on!!! ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
The sporter isn't looking too well lately.  My heart is bleeding for him (NOT).

Mine either, San!   ::HelloKitty::

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2014, 12:06:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2014, 05:37:43 PM

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ip7bfb.jpg)
Joran is fasting to get rid of that stomach on him


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2014, 06:55:01 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/english

Translations

Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:00

Unfortunately we will no longer be able to offer translations of Amigoe articles on our website. Our apologies for the inconvenience.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/english

Translations

Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:00

Unfortunately we will no longer be able to offer translations of Amigoe articles on our website. Our apologies for the inconvenience.
 

The good news is that Dutch isn't that hard to run through the translator.  Better than Pap  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 04, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/04-09-2014/joran-van-der-sloot-se-comunicaba-con-funcionaria-de-su-embajada

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot communicated with embassy official
Thursday, September 4, 2014 | 24:41

 ::snipping3::
After the operation of requisition in prison Piedras Gordas, in which it was discovered that the murderer Joran van der Sloot had a cell phone with internet access, authorities Dirincri reported that it was connected to an official of the Embassy their country.

This revelation published by Masks shows that the murderer of Peruvian Stephanie Flores, in 2010, mocked the security WhatsApp talking with his wife, Lady Figueroa and his lawyer Máximo Highness, daily.

In addition, he was on the phone and chat with Patricia Anavitarte, the assistant consular affairs at the Embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Lima, as confirmed by an official of that publication Dirincri.

Suspected wife was Dutch, which introduced the cellular model iPhone, criminal "maximum security," why, he was transferred overseas to Challapalca in Puno.

So far it is also investigating whether the alleged murderer of American teenager Natalee Holloway, contacted some other officer of the embassy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 04, 2014, 03:57:37 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-van-der-sloot-zet-hongerstaking-door

Google translation

1 hour 58 minutes ago
Joran van der Sloot put hunger strike by

Joran van der Sloot has been more than ten days on hunger strike. According to sources from RTL Boulevard goes badly with him.
 ::snipping3::
Joran demands that he be returned to his old cell. His lawyer Máximo Altez, who says that the warden be disseminated lies, has filed a complaint. But prison spokesman has said that the Dutchman should remain in prison. In southern Peru at least six months

Hunger Strikers can sustain quite long, but the circumstances in which Joran van der Sloot stuck are very poor. At night it can get to 20 degrees below zero. He is available 24 hours a day on his cell.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on September 04, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3861840/joran-van-sloot-zeker-half-jaar-in-strafgevangenis.html

Google translation

published:       August 27, 2014 06:50
Last update:    August 27, 2014 07:36
Joran van der Sloot certainly half years in prison

 ::snipping3::
Joran van der Sloot stay at least six months in Challapalca prison as punishment.

That leaves a spokesman for the prison authority INPE know. "It's not just his phone ownership. His behavior has deteriorated," said a spokeswoman.

The Dutchman was Friday morning of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima transferred to the Challapalca prison in southern Peru. The immediate reason was that he was recently caught again having a cell phone, which is not allowed in his possession.

Saturday is Van der Sloot, according to his lawyer began a hunger strike in protest against the transfer. "Joran do not eat until he is replaced," said lawyer Maximo Altez. "It's a prison. His pregnant wife can not visit him there now."

The INPE spokesman says not to be of the hunger strike aware but states that inmates who opt come to be under medical supervision. "We can not force them to eat. This is on the detainee himself," said a spokeswoman.

The prison authority looks after six months or behavior of Van der Sloot has been improved, and decide whether he returns to the Piedras Gordas prison.  ::snipping3::


He was one fat happy cat in the Punto Gordos system.  Now they finally Challapaccad him, and instead of being a model inmate to get sent back sooner, he decides to go on a hunger strike.  His mind is messed up, go ahead see what I can do here, I can hurt myself.  Make yourself so sick Joran that you DIE!  Weaken that immune system, deteriorate your heart muscles......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/english

Translations

Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:00

Unfortunately we will no longer be able to offer translations of Amigoe articles on our website. Our apologies for the inconvenience.
 

The good news is that Dutch isn't that hard to run through the translator.  Better than Pap  ::MonkeyCool::

True!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit (http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit)

Dr. Phil Dodges Publicity Rights Claim In Holloway Show Suit

Share us on: By Brandon Lowrey
Law360, Los Angeles (September 05, 2014, 2:33 PM ET) -- A California judge Friday refused to allow two brothers suing television personality Dr. Phil McGraw to add a publicity rights claim to their defamation suit over a TV episode about the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway that the men say appeared to incriminate the them.

During a hearing in Los Angeles, Judge William A. MacLaughlin nixed the plaintiffs' proposed statutory misappropriation of likeness claim and denied a defense request for a shot to contest the plaintiffs' allegation of actual malice, telling attorneys that he wants to..

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Aruba_suspects_small.jpg)

This is what the judge just said NO to:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 05, 2014, 06:20:30 PM
Thanks for the good news, klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::  ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on September 05, 2014, 06:38:38 PM
Wonder if the Cowpoo brothers want to visit their partner in crime?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit (http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit)

Dr. Phil Dodges Publicity Rights Claim In Holloway Show Suit

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Law360, Los Angeles (September 05, 2014, 2:33 PM ET) -- A California judge Friday refused to allow two brothers suing television personality Dr. Phil McGraw to add a publicity rights claim to their defamation suit over a TV episode about the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway that the men say appeared to incriminate the them.

During a hearing in Los Angeles, Judge William A. MacLaughlin nixed the plaintiffs' proposed statutory misappropriation of likeness claim and denied a defense request for a shot to contest the plaintiffs' allegation of actual malice, telling attorneys that he wants to..

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Aruba_suspects_small.jpg)

This is what the judge just said NO to:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186)

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
Tuesday on Dr. Phil

::snipping3::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6vLv9AXKQ

http://www.youtube.com/v/Pb6vLv9AXKQ

 Published on Sep 5, 2014

Dr. Phil discusses the case of Gary Giordano and Robyn Gardner tragedy in Aruba and Giordano's Tell-All Book, The Aruba Files







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2014, 10:07:57 AM
http://newsok.com/dr.-phil-reveals-secrets-about-new-season/article/feed/731672

A&E: Celebrity

Dr. Phil Reveals Secrets about New Season

Published on NewsOK Published: September 5, 2014

 ::snipping3::

Robyn Gardner disappeared in 2011 on a snorkeling trip in Aruba, and now Dr. Phil is talking to the man who was with her when she went missing, and putting him face-to-face with her sister, who doesn't believe his story.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Ono on September 06, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit (http://www.law360.com/articles/574552/dr-phil-dodges-publicity-rights-claim-in-holloway-show-suit)

Dr. Phil Dodges Publicity Rights Claim In Holloway Show Suit

Share us on: By Brandon Lowrey
Law360, Los Angeles (September 05, 2014, 2:33 PM ET) -- A California judge Friday refused to allow two brothers suing television personality Dr. Phil McGraw to add a publicity rights claim to their defamation suit over a TV episode about the high-profile disappearance of Natalee Holloway that the men say appeared to incriminate the them.

During a hearing in Los Angeles, Judge William A. MacLaughlin nixed the plaintiffs' proposed statutory misappropriation of likeness claim and denied a defense request for a shot to contest the plaintiffs' allegation of actual malice, telling attorneys that he wants to..

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Aruba_suspects_small.jpg)

This is what the judge just said NO to:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186)

Excellent!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 06, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-fue-visitado-su-esposa-penal-challapalca-2022075

Google translation

Saturday September 6, 2014 | 1:20
Joran van der Sloot was visited by his wife in Challapalca

Joran van der Sloot was visited by his wife, Leydi Figueroa Uceda, who is eight months pregnant, ::snipping3::

Maximum Highness, Van der Sloot's lawyer, said he traveled to Leydi Figueroa said garrison, concerned about the state of her husband, days after the transfer occurs.

The lawyer said he enlists a habeas corpus for his client to return to 'Piedras Gordas'.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 06, 2014, 10:53:36 PM
Quote
During a hearing in Los Angeles, Judge William A. MacLaughlin nixed the plaintiffs' proposed statutory misappropriation of likeness claim and denied a defense request for a shot to contest the plaintiffs' allegation of actual malice, telling attorneys that he wants to..

What did the Judge say "no" to the defense team to?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2014, 11:02:19 PM
Quote
During a hearing in Los Angeles, Judge William A. MacLaughlin nixed the plaintiffs' proposed statutory misappropriation of likeness claim and denied a defense request for a shot to contest the plaintiffs' allegation of actual malice, telling attorneys that he wants to..

What did the Judge say "no" to the defense team to?

I posted this last month.  They were trying to add malice.  They know that even if they were to win now, they will win very little. They were trying to fix it so they could win more.  Judge said NO.  Not only that, It's my opinion they will lose the entire case  ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13798.msg1592186#msg1592186


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102503 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102503)
Quote
arubajoey    
 Post subject: Re: Dr. Phill on missing Robyn Gardner September 9th 2014.
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Aruba remains the place to make a women disappear.

Especially knowing that the Aruban "Keystone" cops will help you get away with it.

On another update have you all seen where the moved Joran to a maximum security prison in the mountains because he threatened the life of the prison warden and his girlfriend is pregnant with his child.

Thanks again Aruban cops.

We will NEVER forget ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2014, 04:07:29 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102503 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102503)
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arubajoey    
 Post subject: Re: Dr. Phill on missing Robyn Gardner September 9th 2014.
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Aruba remains the place to make a women disappear.

Especially knowing that the Aruban "Keystone" cops will help you get away with it.

On another update have you all seen where the moved Joran to a maximum security prison in the mountains because he threatened the life of the prison warden and his girlfriend is pregnant with his child.

Thanks again Aruban cops.

We will NEVER forget ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::

N E V E R !   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/13/finally-justice-served-joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-year-in-prison-for-murder-of-stephany-flores-in-peru/

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2014, 04:17:55 PM
Not forgetting!  Ever!   ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 07, 2014, 09:49:42 PM
http://www.losandes.com.pe/Regional/20140907/82528.html

Google translation

They moved to Challapalca dangerous criminals - Puno
Write: Andina | Regional - 17: 20h

The leaders of criminal gangs and the most hardened criminals who break the law in detention centers will be moved to maximum security prisons, as Challapalca in Puno said the Interior Minister Daniel Urresti.

"In those places are nothing, away from their bands and their families. That's cash and are already doing, "he said in statements to Andina news agency.

Urresti, who took over the Interior Ministry two and half months ago, said that two weeks ago to date have been relocated to a first group, a total of 32 hardened criminals, other higher security prisons in the country.

"This process will continue to do permanently," said retired General of the Peruvian Army.

He explained that the National Police is responsible for preparing intelligence reports on the case of these criminals to the evidence on the participation of the convicted gang leaders in unlawful acts committed outside the criminal, ie, when coordinates and direct criminal actions.

"With this information, the Ministry of Justice and the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) is responsible for making the appropriate arrangements to carry out these transfers, he said.

Also drug dealers and foreign

He said drug traffickers and aliens fulfilling prison for crimes committed in the Peru would also be transferred to Challapalca, located at 4,600 meters above sea level.

Recently Joran Van Der Sloot, who is serving 28 years for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, was transferred from prison Piedras Gordas, in Lima, to Challapalca in Puno, after the Dutch citizen threatened the building principal prison where he was initially held with denounce corruption and allowing him to have a phone.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 10, 2014, 02:04:33 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2014, 07:44:44 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 11, 2014, 01:12:23 PM
Hi Mark Purcell,

Hows it hangn?

Noticed you were snooping around in this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.20
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
http://www.law.com/j...jsp?id=1148547934537


Is there anything any Monkey could help you find? I'm sure they would be very helpful.

Hows married life?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Blonde on September 12, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Hi Mark Purcell,

Hows it hangn?

Noticed you were snooping around in this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.20
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
http://www.law.com/j...jsp?id=1148547934537


Is there anything any Monkey could help you find? I'm sure they would be very helpful.

Hows married life?




 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2014, 11:00:46 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on September 21, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
Hi Mark Purcell,

Hows it hangn?

Noticed you were snooping around in this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.20
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
http://www.law.com/j...jsp?id=1148547934537


Is there anything any Monkey could help you find? I'm sure they would be very helpful.

You Go Kermit !!

Hows married life?




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on September 21, 2014, 10:41:51 AM
Hi Mark Purcell,

Hows it hangn?

Noticed you were snooping around in this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.20
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
http://www.law.com/j...jsp?id=1148547934537


Is there anything any Monkey could help you find? I'm sure they would be very helpful.



Hows married life?



Been a long time since I posted obviously ............. meant to post outside of Kermit's post - You GO Kermit!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 23, 2014, 02:56:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 23, 2014, 05:03:59 PM
Yeah, that wouldn't be prudent to ask your husband before you married him if he killed more people than just whom he has been CONVICTED of. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 23, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
Quote
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'

Yeah, because then he might kill her for asking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 23, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/23/1411474395100_wps_1_South_America_Peru_capita.jpg)
Artist: Leidy poses with the ceramic statues that Van der Sloot has made for her while he has been in prison


From Leidy's facebook page.  IMO there is no way that Joran made any of these.

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda (https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/LeidyJoranArt_zpsc7fb0726.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 23, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
That Anita sure knows her artwork!! Doesn't she usually have some kind of creepy hands or eyeballs in her own work??  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 23, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
That Anita sure knows her artwork!! Doesn't she usually have some kind of creepy hands or eyeballs in her own work??  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, IIRC some of her artwork is really out there.  My kids used to paint ceramics like this when they were young.  You could even have birthday parties at the places, where each child selected the plaster cast piece to paint.  I don't think Leonardo da Vinci has any worries.... 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on September 23, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
Quote
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'

Yeah, because then he might kill her for asking.

Just like he did Stephanie-

This woman is desperate - JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on September 23, 2014, 07:32:03 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/23/1411474395100_wps_1_South_America_Peru_capita.jpg)
Artist: Leidy poses with the ceramic statues that Van der Sloot has made for her while he has been in prison


From Leidy's facebook page.  IMO there is no way that Joran made any of these.

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda (https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/LeidyJoranArt_zpsc7fb0726.jpg)



Yea, like Peru has a selection of ceramic items to paint and put in a kiln?

Anita made this stuff...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 23, 2014, 08:26:17 PM
Hi Mark Purcell,

Hows it hangn?

Noticed you were snooping around in this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.20
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
http://www.law.com/j...jsp?id=1148547934537


Is there anything any Monkey could help you find? I'm sure they would be very helpful.



Hows married life?



Been a long time since I posted obviously ............. meant to post outside of Kermit's post - You GO Kermit!!

Hello Miss nonesuche. Good to see you baby.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 23, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/23/1411474395100_wps_1_South_America_Peru_capita.jpg)
Artist: Leidy poses with the ceramic statues that Van der Sloot has made for her while he has been in prison


From Leidy's facebook page.  IMO there is no way that Joran made any of these.

https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda (https://www.facebook.com/leidycarol.figueroauceda)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/LeidyJoranArt_zpsc7fb0726.jpg)




Hey Hey Hey LMAO!

Yeah.
Right.
Tool.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Bs7xEwJWL._SX425_.jpg)

Hey LADY Joran made me this teapot!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: klaasend on September 23, 2014, 11:37:27 PM
Kermit, lol.  Yeah and Joran made ME this!

(http://www.allsculptures.com/prodimages/intrada/ANI1220.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on September 24, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'

Yeah, because then he might kill her for asking.

Don't want to get him mad and fired up! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on September 24, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


I sure hope Leidy isn't pronounced LADY.  That's how I read it and went OMG.

The sporter still has class and taste.

Hmmm......... Dusha Van der SLoot...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 24, 2014, 01:08:56 PM
Kermit, lol.  Yeah and Joran made ME this!

(http://www.allsculptures.com/prodimages/intrada/ANI1220.jpg)


LMAO!!!
 :smt046 ::MonkeyKiss2:: ::MonkeyPeace::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: Kermit on September 24, 2014, 01:12:11 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765273/Pregnant-wife-killer-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-tells-MailOnline-interview-He-s-no-monster-kind-gentle-sensitive-He-d-never-hurt.html

Pregnant wife of killer Joran Van der Sloot tells MailOnline in her first interview: 'He's no monster... he is kind and sensitive. He'd never hurt me'

Leidy Figueroa, 25, insists that the Dutch killer suspected of killing Natalee Holloway is a 'different man'
She said: 'I don't think he’s capable of hurting me, he loves me too much'
Figueroa is expecting their daughter, to be called Dusha Trudie, any day now
Shared love letters and secret notes that he sent her from Peruvian jail
He promises to take care of his 'Queen and princess' once he gets out of prison - despite having been sentenced to 28 years for killing second girl
She doesn't believe that he killed Natalee - but she doesn't 'want to ask'
Leidy shows off the ceramic sculptures 'clever' killer has made for her 

By Ryan Parry In Lima, Peru For Mailonline
Published: 07:40 EST, 23 September 2014  | Updated: 11:14 EST, 23 September 2014


I sure hope Leidy isn't pronounced LADY.  That's how I read it and went OMG.

The sporter still has class and taste.

Hmmm......... Dusha Van der SLoot...


The word of today is
higgledy-piggledy


Perhaps in 28 years we can teach Joran and LADY a new vocabulary.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2014, 01:59:44 PM
In the picture, she is posing with one of the gifts from jvs.

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/jorans-kind-gaat-dushi-heten-ik-word-de-beste-vader-van-de-wereld

Google translation

September 23, 2014 17:53
Joran child goes Dushi called: "I'm the best dad in the world '

Joran van der Sloot is still trapped in the infamous Challapalcagevangenis, Leidy and his wife is about to give birth. Against RTL Boulevard, she says that the baby will be called Dushi Trudie.

"Dushi I thought," said Leidy, 'it means' sweet' in Papiamento. "Trudie has chosen Joran, named after the grandmother of Joran. The girl will probably be born this week.

Leidy was last week's visit by a British journalist from The Mail Online. He photographed her against him and she did her full story. They also showed that Joran wrote her love letters, see. In one of the notes he says about his upcoming fatherhood: "I want you to know that I am the best father in the world, like my own father."

"I'm not a monster '
RTL Boulevard Leidy says she wants to know that Joran 'not a monster' is the world. "People judge him when they do not know him. If you know him better, you know he is a sensitive and sweet guy., I know that he has someone slain, but he is now fixed."

SEE ALSO: Interview with Joran van last year: "I'm sick of myself '

Leidy (see picture), which this week is calculated, has hope for a good future. But she is very concerned about the current situation of her husband. He is in a prison where conditions are very poor. It is Joran on hunger strike. It would not go too well with him, he's very sick.
 ::snipping3::
(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/inline_medium/public/content/images/2014/09/23/leidy1_0.jpg?itok=u8q-ZocR)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on September 24, 2014, 02:23:54 PM
He is "fixed"???

We wish he had been fixed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 24, 2014, 02:43:54 PM
He is "fixed"???

We wish he had been fixed.
Beat me to it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: If he was "fixed" she wouldn't be having little "Dushi" --- on second thought, it probably isn't his anyways.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: jamcakes on September 24, 2014, 04:50:25 PM
In the picture, she is posing with one of the gifts from jvs.

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/jorans-kind-gaat-dushi-heten-ik-word-de-beste-vader-van-de-wereld

Google translation

September 23, 2014 17:53
Joran child goes Dushi called: "I'm the best dad in the world '

Joran van der Sloot is still trapped in the infamous Challapalcagevangenis, Leidy and his wife is about to give birth. Against RTL Boulevard, she says that the baby will be called Dushi Trudie.

"Dushi I thought," said Leidy, 'it means' sweet' in Papiamento. "Trudie has chosen Joran, named after the grandmother of Joran. The girl will probably be born this week.

Leidy was last week's visit by a British journalist from The Mail Online. He photographed her against him and she did her full story. They also showed that Joran wrote her love letters, see. In one of the notes he says about his upcoming fatherhood: "I want you to know that I am the best father in the world, like my own father."

"I'm not a monster '
RTL Boulevard Leidy says she wants to know that Joran 'not a monster' is the world. "People judge him when they do not know him. If you know him better, you know he is a sensitive and sweet guy., I know that he has someone slain, but he is now fixed."

SEE ALSO: Interview with Joran van last year: "I'm sick of myself '

Leidy (see picture), which this week is calculated, has hope for a good future. But she is very concerned about the current situation of her husband. He is in a prison where conditions are very poor. It is Joran on hunger strike. It would not go too well with him, he's very sick.
 ::snipping3::
(http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/inline_medium/public/content/images/2014/09/23/leidy1_0.jpg?itok=u8q-ZocR)


Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: wreck on September 24, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
I won't even mention how they mis-spelled "Dushi." .................. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 24, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
It's quite amazing there is such an impressive arts and crafts program at such a notorious prison.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: cadillac on September 24, 2014, 06:19:42 PM
It's quite amazing there is such an impressive arts and crafts program at such a notorious prison.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

And how he gets them all to her?

Is this situation messed up or what?


But... He is in prison.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2014, 09:38:56 PM
In the picture, she is posing with one of the gifts from jvs.

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/jorans-kind-gaat-dushi-heten-ik-word-de-beste-vader-van-de-wereld

Google translation

September 23, 2014 17:53
Joran child goes Dushi called: "I'm the best dad in the world '

Joran van der Sloot is still trapped in the infamous Challapalcagevangenis, Leidy and his wife is about to give birth. Against RTL Boulevard, she says that the baby will be called Dushi Trudie.

"Dushi I thought," said Leidy, 'it means' sweet' in Papiamento. "Trudie has chosen Joran, named after the grandmother of Joran. The girl will probably be born this week.

Leidy was last week's visit by a British journalist from The Mail Online. He photographed her against him and she did her full story. They also showed that Joran wrote her love letters, see. In one of the notes he says about his upcoming fatherhood: "I want you to know that I am the best father in the world, like my own father."

"I'm not a monster '
RTL Boulevard Leidy says she wants to know that Joran 'not a monster' is the world. "People judge him when they do not know him. If you know him better, you know he is a sensitive and sweet guy., I know that he has someone slain, but he is now fixed."

SEE ALSO: Interview with Joran van last year: "I'm sick of myself '

Leidy (see picture), which this week is calculated, has hope for a good