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Well, it was bound to happen, although this is the first prediction I've seen on-line.

Here's the link to the prediction from a poster named "Gerster" on another board.

Ignore if you think it is nonsense.  Psychics have been used by law enforcement in rare circumstances. Some say successfully.

http://forum.aceboard.net/106010-52-3310-0-Breaking-News-Confession-murder-Alabama-Teen.htm

Blue Volkswagon. maybe van or sedan?
High Road.Dead End. National Park
black plastic bag. moist in a dry area.
2 bulders.
leg twisted back.

Thats all i got.
I'm a little sick now.
I hope they find her.

A bird could lead the way to the location of her body. or a bird watcher.

what I mean by moist in a dry area, or what I see is an area that is normally dry and water some times splashes or drips on the location.

DNA to be found in a blue volkswagon? not sure I see a blue hatchback of a vehicle with the emblem of volkswagon I think. not blood.

I could be full of shit.

They are still investigating on the blood found in the Honda, I know Cnn wrote it wasn't blood, but the forensic experts are still investigating and said Cnn was wrong, and I wonder what takes them so long to find out who's blood it was???
Call me stupid, but I heard something that had avenue in it I thought at first, english is not my language, but hearing it twice it might be Andy something, is there a place on Aruba that is called something like this??

Just me , in the Gerster prediction it was mentioned Arikok National Park...is that what you heard   Arikok?

left club, drive north, never went to lighthouse that was a lie, went to a beach just north of the club to the left up sandy road, there were people there, she was passed out, left without getting out of car this was true, went north, made left a short drive from beach, deserted road, thick vegitation, some gravel on sandy road, not mecadam. stopped. got her out of car, still unconcious. White boy had sex with her, other two still in car, next the 18 year old, who realized she was dead. burried her at the end of the road at the edge of the beach to the right of the road at the vegitation line. She is still there. that is all i get.

Good Morning you all.I am a cop in the USA and in the very distant past I had Physchicsic help us in a muder case in the New England area,hence I belive in Physchics.Now that I am older and retired I have nothing to really fear.However I would like to ask if anyone here lives in Aruba?

Well you and the friend I consulted are on the same wave length,what we need is a local person in Auba to check out this place.My friend gave me a
map..

I'm definitely no psychic, but I am a heterosexual male who has had to lie to a woman before.  That makes me a pseudo-expert on lying.  I know that when we (as men) tell a lie to a woman (or even about a woman), we have to give a little truth mixed in with our lies...therefore, I feel like the three suspects may have ventured south toward the Seroe Colorado area and the remains of the old lighthouse.  That's where I think the body lies.

They're telling half-truths.

I am probably way off base...but...that's my 2 cents worth...

 :wink:

Thanks Stardancer, but it wasn't Arikok, and I found a map and will see if anything comes nearby what I heard, it sounded like avenue..and second time I heard Andy in it, Andy knew? New? No idea, could be a person, I hope I will hear it again, I found a place called Andicouri? If someone knows the place, is there something new that wasn't there before? (Just trying to puzzle with the words I heard)

tried dowsing for some answers, here's what I got:

Natalee alive: Yes
Still in Aruba: No
Boys know where she is: No
Three men arrested connected to her disappearance: Maybe
Joran's father involved: Maybe yes Maybe no

Not very exact, but there it is.

Hi Kip, I would look at the map, but then I think it would just cloud what I am seeing. I have never been to Aruba and I don't claim to be psychic although "knowing stuff" runs in the family.  I have had other instances of "premonition" some of which prove to be incorrect, the majority of which are correct. Case in point- I knew my step neice, whom I had never met at that point, and who was living in a foreign country was in grave danger, and that something 'very bad' was going to happen to her mother. I could not see exactly what the "very bad" thing was however. Needless to say, I forced her father to bring here on vacation. The very day she was set to leave to go home her mother was beaten to death in their home by the boyfriend. Had my step neice been there at the time............ we can only guess.
The area is not large, the beach is not that wide and there are not many roads going off to the left just above it. It is quite desolate. I believe they will find the body once they look in the right area.
I feel compelled to tell what I see after seeing stuff related to Jessie Lunsford but saying nothing for fear of being wrong.

Peace

Am Pasting in the Gerster prediction:



If you are familiar with Aruba, does any of the above sound familar or make sense?  Do any of the locations mentioned ring a bell?

If anyone else is aware of any other Psychic predictions or premonitions  regarding the whereabouts of Natalee, please post.  Thanks!

Do you literally mean a "bird?"

Would you consider a helicopter or plane a bird?

Here's another Prediction by Ken, a poster on the Riehl World blog.

Hello, i am a trained psychic, i have focused on the person and my mind tells me she will be located on the northern tip of the island in a white house with a blue roof. The house is mounted on stilts and constructed of wood panels. Try and relate the number 56, proably a house number or street number. You must understand however, that psychic observations may be subject to errors but this is all that i can do to help. May God protect her.

Posted by: KEN | June 6, 2005 01:15 AM


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fbi_searching_f.html

I see it as a bird of feathers and a nest. The bird watcher is in a precarious position to observe the birds return to its nest. Or it’s a scavenger bird which is the thought I wanted to avoid. This may be far in the future as I see some bones not much flesh. Sorry for the graphic details.

I see the body in between two rocks. Like fat pillars. Not visible from the place where she was dropped. No digging involved. The odor is more than noticeable right now. Not a hole but a ledge and not a far drop. the vehicle she and the Caucasian male traveled in drove all the way to this ledge. The last 65 meters or so on an unbeaten path not traversed by cars. The Caucasian male is the only one out of the 3 suspects that knows this location. He climbed down himself to confirm no one would see this out of the way resting place.

To answer the previous question I never or rarely hear anything as I remote view. I see colors, shapes, textures, and can smell some odors. metal and stone always resonate loud and clear. If the person came in contact with metal or stone and I can focus on it and seem to get the best "signals". If I hear any thing it is muted mumbling and groans, noises I don't like to listen to. And no one ever speaks to me (I don't hear voices) . I did not hear "Andy" or even the name of the park or National park. I know the land where she rests is not privately owned. It may not be an actual park but government land.

He also may have needed permission to accomplish this task. I can not tell who would give such permission.

Andicuri is a beach at the other side of the island.Its near the natural bridge(for those who have been to aruba).Its between rocks and the water is rough,but je can swim.

that some people can have insights I don't doubt...

I lived in Aruba for many years, and may be tainted by the fact that I am so familiar with the island.

The "wetlands" they are searching are to my mind close to the area where she last was..but I keep having this recurring impression of something striking across her forehead...very sharply..diagonally..and at a moment when she wasn't fully in control.

I also have had dreams about a dock, like in Saveneta....but I haven't got a clue why, or from whence them come.

I pray she is alright, and her family doesn't suffer any longer.

not even gonna click it, gonna ignore

WTH?????????????????????????

         GEZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

First of all, I want to say that my heart goes out to this girl, his family, and all involved.  It's sad and tragic.  Here is what I sense:  Natalee is dead.  It was a freak accident, not intentional.  A crime was committed, indeed, because what happened to her has been covered, lies have been told, and responsibility has not been taken.  I can't tell exactly what happened to her because they way I "read" this things is by reading the victims themselves.  Unfortunately, she was very drunk that night and drugged and she is not sure herself what happened.  She is still coming to terms with all the events, trying to understand, making the transition.  Her mind is still in a cloud and it will be some time until it clears up.  I feel the mother of the 17 year old knows what happened.  The father did not.  These guys are smart and they know how the law works, so they are holding the truth as they know that if the body is not found there's not a strong case against them.  The 17 yr. old is scared *&^%$#@ and very regretful.  But he is cocky and arrogant and is most concerned in trying to get out of this mess.  He did call someone who "coached" him on what to do with the body.  I also feel that more than one guy had his way with her.  And I wish people could stop judging her behavior.  She was on vacation, having fun, and made some bad decisions.  But this does not make her a slut or a bad person.  Some girls can be naive or want to grow up too soon.  As to where she is now and what specifically happened, I sense a blow to her head, an altercation (forcing her into sex), she panicked, not able to take control of the situation because of her state.  I think it happened by the beach but she was later moved.  Pray for her to be at rest now.

I do agree on your "feeling" or "seeing" or hearing that she isn't alive anymore. I never heard voices when a person was alive, and I'm so sorry that I can't come up with more facts, and I also feel very sorry for her relatives. I keep hearing something with Andi or Andy in it,.(and I tried to concentrate on all the pictures tonight, I didn't before, but they are not just innocent people,the brothers aren't for sure)

 And although I kept thinking that Joran might be innocent, and was tricked or whatever you call it, by the brothers. He is in it as well, I don't know anything about the persons they arrested lately, the boat feels wrong, no boat. no other island, she is on Aruba I think.Who said not buried? I believe he or she is right,she is not buried in earth.

For the one who reacted on what I said about the Andy name( I am sorry, but I cannot find your posting while answering this one so I don;'t know your name..very sorry), the other side of the island....
Did they check the place? I don't know Aruba, never been there, and because of my fear of flying I will never be there, but is there some place to relate with andy beside andycuri? It might be the other side of the island, but did they check it? I know it could also be a man's bame, but i'm trying to find out what it is about..

Poor girl.  This is just awful.  I hope her friends get some counseling.  

I forgot to mention that the place where I get the strongest feelings is the south part of the island.  I just found out that Joran's school is in that area.  hmmm?  I think there is a good lead around that place.  And I agree with you that she's in Aruba.

This was a very interesting comment since an arrest has been made of a 4th individual.  I'm hearing that the 4th individual was contacted via Joran's via cell phone at around 6 or 6:30am the morning of Natalees' disappearance. Could this individual have "coached," on what to do with the body?  The individual reportedly works on a boat.

I have had weird psychic moments and have a 22 yr old daughter who truly is "sensitive". For what its worth: I have been consumed with this case (why??) since inception...have stayed awake til 3 looking at this board and tripadvisor.com even tho I work 8-5. Gut feeling; Joren killed her accidentally with date rape drug and the brothers know it too. They put her in a shallow grave. The minute I saw Joren's pic on tickle.com I said "Robert Chambers..the preppie killing of Jen Levin in Central Park 15+ years ago". Joren did this and is trying to get away with it cause the evidence/body is well hidden.
God rest her beautiful soul.

Natalee Holloway
Missing in Aruba
A Psychic Investigation
by Marie Saint Claire

http://www.underworldtales.com/aruba.htm

Limited information from this Psychic.

Just Me....do you think what you are hearing/seeing might be "And He"?

Thank you Momto5, I didn't think of the word And he, but this might be it..And he knew, sounds logical, I posted it the day I heard it, the 15th. I wonder if this is about the guards, something feels wrong with those men too :?

Personally I just think the security guards were wrongfully accused. But I wouldnt put passed you got and he bc they did just arrests a 4th suspect. Maybe it had to do with that? Ya never know. I come from a long line of ppl who sometimes just "knows stuff" so I am open minded to anything at this point. I did have a weird dream myself. I keep seeing a green umbrella like from a patio set. I looked online at where she was staying and the marriott none of them have the same color Im talking about. I dunno maybe its nothing.

Could "and he" or "Andy" be ANDES?

Could "and he" or "Andy" be ANDES?

No, it wasn't Andes..It sounded like Avenue, but after hearing Andy for sure I guess it is: Andy and New..Andy knew, Andi new. It frustrates me a lot not knowing the exact words I heard, but it heard Andy or Andi in it, or maybe And he, when you say it quickly it would sound like And he. I wish I was american, I would know what I heard for sure :cry:

And hearing it for sure, made me want to try to hear the voice again, but it doesn't work that way, it comes when it wants too, not on my command :cry:

She is somewhere with no hotels or houses around, empty place, no buildings at all. Did they check the places that feel bored, where nothing is, no tourists, no special things. Like the nature types would go to..Not where the phonecall came from, I wonder about the eastside, there is something with andi in it, and grandi I found, did they check those places?

I still believe she is on the island, and it makes me wonder what so many people did to her..There are more involved then just the three suspects, and I am talking about the guards, or one of them, not suspect number four, I don't feel anything about this Steven yet:? , something feels wrong with the guards too..
I hope others do sense that too, something is still very wrong with one or both of the guards. Seagulls, are they around the island? Is there a place were they are most, where a lot of fish is also? No tourists, just nature..Someone posted about a bird watcher, I see no woods or trees..It is really boring there, but where is that place??

No, it wasn't Andes..It sounded like Avenue, but after hearing Andy for sure I guess it is: Andy and New..Andy knew, Andi new. It frustrates me a lot not knowing the exact words I heard, but it heard Andy or Andi in it, or maybe And he, when you say it quickly it would sound like And he. I wish I was american, I would know what I heard for sure :cry:

And hearing it for sure, made me want to try to hear the voice again, but it doesn't work that way, it comes when it wants too, not on my command :cry:

She is somewhere with no hotels or houses around, empty place, no buildings at all. Did they check the places that feel bored, where nothing is, no tourists, no special things. Like the nature types would go to..Not where the phonecall came from, I wonder about the eastside, there is something with andi in it, and grandi I found, did they check those places?

I still believe she is on the island, and it makes me wonder what so many people did to her..There are more involved then just the three suspects, and I am talking about the guards, or one of them, not suspect number four, I don't feel anything about this Steven yet:? , something feels wrong with the guards too..
I hope others do sense that too, something is still very wrong with one or both of the guards. Seagulls, are they around the island? Is there a place were they are most, where a lot of fish is also? No tourists, just nature..Someone posted about a bird watcher, I see no woods or trees..It is really boring there, but where is that place??

No, it wasn't Andes..It sounded like Avenue, but after hearing Andy for sure I guess it is: Andy and New..Andy knew, Andi new. It frustrates me a lot not knowing the exact words I heard, but it heard Andy or Andi in it, or maybe And he, when you say it quickly it would sound like And he. I wish I was american, I would know what I heard for sure :cry:

And hearing it for sure, made me want to try to hear the voice again, but it doesn't work that way, it comes when it wants too, not on my command :cry:

She is somewhere with no hotels or houses around, empty place, no buildings at all. Did they check the places that feel bored, where nothing is, no tourists, no special things. Like the nature types would go to..Not where the phonecall came from, I wonder about the eastside, there is something with andi in it, and grandi I found, did they check those places?

I still believe she is on the island, and it makes me wonder what so many people did to her..There are more involved then just the three suspects, and I am talking about the guards, or one of them, not suspect number four, I don't feel anything about this Steven yet:? , something feels wrong with the guards too..
I hope others do sense that too, something is still very wrong with one or both of the guards. Seagulls, are they around the island? Is there a place were they are most, where a lot of fish is also? No tourists, just nature..Someone posted about a bird watcher, I see no woods or trees..It is really boring there, but where is that place??

Sorry, I got a debug message for the 3th time, this is enough I guess :wink:

Just me, all you have to do if you get a debug message is click on forum index...it goes through even though the message pops up. Do you think Natalee is alive?

I wish I could say yes..but I don't think she is alive. I feel so sorry, I still hope that I am very very wrong, and she is okay and saying: I needed some time for myself, I am sorry, but I am okay, let's go home.

I keep hoping for it, she is a lovely young girl, I wish I am very wrong with these sad feelings I have.

Just me, this guys nickname is "Endy"



Hendrik Jose Croes, wonder if any relation to Steven Croes?

Endy Croes' picture/profile is the fourth one down.

http://pancayente.com/crew.htm

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

Scroll half way down to "A Smuggler's Paradise" and the next topic as well... there is a Hendrick Croes mentioned here.  Is Endy a common nickname for men named Hendrick?

Great links!!

Re: "andy" "and he".  Someone has already mentioned a beach on Aruba by the name of Andicore.  There is also a nearby village or something by the same name in Venezuela.  Heard reports on Friday that NH's father just returned from there, and that Venezualen authorities were travelling to the area.  Perhaps NH was lured on a nighttime boat ride there.

to "just me", re: avenue/andy...

there is a town between oranjestad and san nicolas called savenata...(s+avenata)...this anything???

also to the moderators, i realize now perhaps i should have posted the accompanying text here (in this subject forum) instead of where i first did...(sorry...i'm new at this...) :

(sorry to get off subject- he said something that clicked)




Is there anyway you can expand on this for me? In regards to the "transition" what series of events normally take place?
I am a little backwards in my visions but I think what I am experiencing is a rewind of the events. It would help to know the normal timeline of how this transition takes place. I think it would clear things up a bit. As much info as possible. Her mind cloudy? sometime before it clears up? coming to terms? understand? making the transition?

I can't accuse all the Andy's who live on Aruba :cry: , but I keep searching for all with Andi in it, including names of places. I also found an Andrew on Tickle, and Max Arends is in his friends list, but that doesn't say much. Maybe it is Andicuri, I still do believe she is on Aruba, on that side of the island, maybe in the water or on the beach, no trees or bushes.


I wonder were all the "well trained" psychics are, there are a lot on the internet, but I didn't find much about Natalee on their websites, and what they felt, saw or heard. I wrote the person who was linked here, Marie, since there are a few things she mentioned I felt too ( I will not post them, because it is horrible for the people who know her)



The Natural bridge, where is that place, isn't that near Andicuri too?

http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml

Thank you FLBeaches! I now know were I read that Andicuri is nearby the natural bridge, Ester posted it here on page one :shock:

I do not claim to be 'a psychic' but have had a several strong images about Natalee that I want to share. On 6/10/05 12:35pm I wrote down some info I 'sensed' about Natalee regarding 'pink/lace/silk' so I felt I should provide all the other info that is sitting on notes on my desk:

Hungry, thirsty, drugged, headache, blur. brown - wooden - strong wood smell, heat, can see and feel some sunlight, light thru cracks. barn - fishing boat? but no water or moisture - very dry, arid area. heat - sun burning heat. (wooden crate/boardwalk boards like pics are coming thru to me). screaming inside (inside voice) Help me- stillness - temporary drug induced coma. folded hands. pink, lace, silk. chickens, hens, hay, barn, crate, alcohol, mixed drinks, beer, drugs,  neck and nose pain, twisting, stuffy nose. Calling out/screaming iust the name "Karen" or "Kare" or "Karying"... not sure but hear her calling it and urgent someone heres her screaming it. 'CARE' or CARIE...? struggle, hid body. Blur, blurry. ( A picture that I drew on paper described as follows:)
upper left = stoney, rocks,windy. lower left = green.
center = alot of crosshatch lines and strong RED.
lower center = fur - animal.
upper center = blue.
lower right = green. upper right = green

Then on June 16th 1:03pm once again got an overwhelming 'sense' so I wrote this down: Laying inside a barn/stable. Looking thru slats/boards on the side of the stable. Old animals are here. Perhaps donkey/horses? Shallow ground laying on left side, one leg straight and one bent, hands together and near her face. Very shallow, thin cover. Smells of horses/hay. She can see hoofs walking by. Does not know where she is.  Arid dry. Unused stable but sees hoofs outside thru board cracks - paralell boards. if laying sideways would appear that the boards/slats are on top of her but they are not far from her head as she lays sideways trying to look upward. Gray, deteriorating wooden slats which make up side walls to a structure that has a rotting roof. Looks out to a sandy, greenish area. She is still-cannot move but can see a little bit. One of the brothers knew a seedy guy who worked here and he had hung out here. Sense dreadlocks,med. size height, small frame guy. Building is not very large - perhaps holds just 4 or less animals. Some old hay in a corner. old cigarette butts dumped in a pile. I get a very strong smell of cigarettes, something burning. Also smell chemical - hair dye like amonia. Hair cut, not blond, dark skin. That's all I see/smell...whatever - hard to explain.

Again - I'm not a psychic - not sure what all of this means but this stuff has been sitting on little pieces of paper all over my desk and I felt led to share today. My prayers will continue to go out to this family until we find Natalee.

MY GOODNESS - CAN'T ONE SELF PROCLAIMED RIGHTEOUS REMOTE VIEWER OR FAMOUS PSYCHIC WHO HAS NO PROBLEM COLLECTING $$$$ ON THE INTERNET OR BEING ON TV SHOWS STEP FORWARD AND HELP NATALEE'S FAMILY FIND HER?

There - now I've said it!
---The Snork

Not a psychic here either, but the heavy, dark, old wood, aged  (previously wet or currently moist?), cooler inside this area than the very humid/hot outside.  Around her, not over her, but something is over her.  Planks are horizontal, vegetation heavy, could get out but cannot follow through with thoughts/movements.  Started a little journal to date it, but it's private.  Thought it eery when you mentioned the wood.

KV123- Interesting what you wrote about the wooden planks. I see them too - also in a horizontal manner, like how a boardwalk is constructed, but I do not see it as a boardwalk. Boards seem spread apart a bit, not close together, but there are many of them on the side of the building, not just a few as in a typical stable. I am going to try to google a pic in Aruba to hopefully find what I see in my mind's eye. Let me know if you pick up anything about animals, fur, hay or cigarettes. The cigs are extremely powerful to me, constant smell is in the air and does not let up.

--The snork.
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Hi,
 thought you might be interested in this web site, it is a web site of psychics all trying to pitch in:

http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&start=135

Thanks for the link.

Since I 'sensed/smelled' ammonia I Googled 'Ammonia' and 'Aruba' and found two sites of interest:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-05-07-meth-hotels_x.htm
"...regarding 'ammonia smell' used for making drugs - As the number of meth labs has spread in recent years from the West Coast and Southwest and infiltrated Midwest states such as Indiana and Kentucky, they are being found more in hotel rooms — perfect for "meth cooks" on the go, even if they're locals. He said the staff is more diligent in looking for signs of meth cooking and is reporting suspicious behavior, like the smell of anhydrous ammonia, commonly used to make the drug."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/21/earlyshow/saturday/chef/main504328.shtml
"...regarding 'amonia smell''  - (remembering rotton fish has an ammonia smell...):They should not smell like a bait shack. If they smell like ammonia or rotten eggs, it means the shrimp are old. Shrimp should not smell like chlorine, either. Washing shrimp in chlorine to kill bacteria is legal, but not acceptable. Shrimp should not smell like gasoline. It means the harvesting trawler was leaking fuel into its belly. And shrimp should not appear dusty yellow, specially around its neck. It's an indication of excessive sodium bisulfate, and that means the meat will be rough."

So to recap -- strong ammonia smell is related to meth drug 'labs' and also rotting fish (like on a fishing boat).

--The Snork

Thanks for the link sunliones..I find that type of thing very interesting. Btw do the people on here talking about having dreams or visions about Natalee believe she is alive? I was a bit unclear on that.

jenz - When I 'sensed' her a few times I felt she was alive but unable to talk, or move her arms and legs on her own... perhaps tied up or in a drug induced stuper/coma - but that is just mere speculation.  

I didn't have any dreams about her yet. I hold her picture and just concentrate and 'feel' things about  her.

I also don't claim to be a 'psychic' either..! I'm just someone who always had very good intuition and a keen 6th sense, that's all.

--The Snork.

Jenz,
  there are 9 pages of different psychics all giving their takes, some think she is, some think she's not, one said she sent it on to the FBI, one even lives on Auruba, and is supposed to be searching from what some say, their really trying to help her.

Snorkletoes, I'm having a very wierd feeling reading your previous post because it is eerily similar to what I've been feeling... I just read the first part earlier and ahd to get off, but just came back and read the rest and now have the chills.
Too many similarities.  I never had teh feeling she was bound, just unable to move or have a complete enough thought to think through an "escape" if you will.  I have the feeling she has neck or head pain as well.

I had a sense that something new happened last night or yesterday, if you want to pm me I'll tell you, not here yet... although I'm sure it's just all silliness on my part.  

I do feel she is alive and I have a feeling the drugs are being tapered off.

KV123 - just PM'd you.
The Snork

I believe it's possible to have good intuition on these types of things. I couldn't even imagine if this were true though. It would be amazing to say the least

It's so hard to know who, or what, to believe though. I read one womans post that said she would be found early on by dogs. Of course everything has to be taken with a grain of salt..this I know, but I still tend to believe that it's possible to be 'psychic'

Sailorsmoon, I have posted a reply to something you mentioned, although I was not very clear in stating that in the subject line.

Sunliones, thank you!! I think wbvious should check this too, someone mentions Pool, I don't know if she means the natural pool.
I still do believe she is there somewhere, on that side of the island, near (yeah you know, the Andi name again :) ) Does someone know which beaches have lightbrown sand instead of white, or are there many?

I posted this on June 15th.  I am not a psychic, but after doing some research on the island, for some reason the following places really stuck out in my mind.


Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: Possible areas to closely consider for search.  

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The Huliba Cave is also known as the Tunnel of Love because of the heart shaped opening at its entrance. You will need flashlights to explore the 300 foot long passage way.

It's often been described as the cartoon town of "Bedrock" seen in the animated TV show "The Flintstones." The stone formations at Ayo were once the dwelling place of an ancient race of people that left petroglyph markings on the stone boulders. The area is surrounded with huge stones that look as if they had been stacked on top of each other by giants. Scientists still have not been able to explain how these rocks got here. Modern pathways have been constructed to allow the visitor to explore this ancient site.


The Natural Pool or "conchi" called "Cura di Tortuga" is a secret, hidden pool on the windward coast surrounded by rocks and is a perfect getaway for a moment of total relaxation.

The location of the Pool is surrounded by some of Aruba's most rugged terrain, so a visitor truly gets the feeling of having "discovered" something when their eyes focus on the site. Diving from the rock cliffs into the protected pool of ocean seawater is the main reason why so many venture here off the beaten path.


To reach this destination you will need to have a 4-wheel drive vehicle or you can ride on horseback. There are many road signs warning you that cars are not the preferred method of travel to this swimmers' paradise. Make sure you bring refreshments and a camera with you because this area is as remote as it is picture perfect!

Thank you "Just Me" for the tip...!

a very interesting site with some compelling info ...however the most absolutely astounding thing was the link someone supplied from there to another site :
www.briansprediction.com/may2005.htm
....his written entry for 5/31/05 is below (but please viewers, check out the link because the sketched map is equally stupefying!): :!:

Boy do i have pie on my face...and a bit of a 'johnnycomelately' complex...didn't realize that that guy brian was doing a sleight of hand thing...disgraceful :oops: !! ...just found out that he'd already been discovered/outed here a week ago...my apologies...

Saeker,
Sorry I didn't reply before.  I had knee surgery and was out for some time.  Let's see.  I've been "sensitive" since I was little.  I was studying in college in the US and got really interested in biology, chemistry, physics etc. and thought I could explain what some claim to be "psychic phenomena" with science and psychology.  Not to prove that it existed, but to disprove it instead, as in there is an explanation for this, there is no such psychic thing.  But I couldn't be possibly that advanced.  :)  In the course of some high profile cases and personal experiences, I got very curious and started developing some exercises to find people, figure some things out etc. and then again, try to explain the outcome using statistics and free association techniques.  But this thing is something I cannot explain, like most people.  In any event, when I referred to "making the transition" and all that, I meant when someone dies.  I think our consciousness or soul goes somewhere else.  I don't know where.  I don't know a lot of things; I get very cerebral about these experiences and don't allow myself to feel enough.  But I think there is a transition we have to make from this state or life to another.  

When I tried to communicate with NH, I felt she was struggling and shocked and confused and desperate.  And I've felt that with victims of murders, sudden deaths.  They get confused as to what happened, where they are, where they are going.  When I posted the previous message, I felt she was crying, upset, felt horrible about something she had done, felt bad for her mother's suffering.  The blow to the head might be simply the confusion or cloud caused by drugs or alcohol, not a specific hit to a body part.  I know her friends said she wasn't drunk the night she went missing, but I felt the drugged or drunk part clearly.

I now feel that she is calm.  I've felt some of the excitement, fun, exhilaration she must have felt during her vacation, too, but that is gone.  I just don't like to read news or details so that they don't influence my "exercises" abut now I don't know.  This is a hard one!  Why?  Other cases give out so much information!  So, now I'm thinking that she is either alive (not really, is more a rational reaction of mine), or worse, she is in the water.  She is in the water, and at peace now, so I cannot reach out to what is left of her here because of all the water.  I do get a strong feeling of sand and salt water, but that is understandable because of where she was shortly before she disappeared.  The last times I've tried to figure this out, she's pushed me as if for me to leave her alone, like this is none of my business.  Which is true!  That is something new for me.  The third time I tried to get close again, I just got a strong and clear picture of her as a human being.  She was a REALLY nice person, very clean, very good, still growing up but undamaged by the world and all the &^%$#.  Anyways, I'm too "poluted" now to do more exercises, but maybe I'll try when I'm off painkillers.   Well, that's all.  I'm so sorry for this girl and for anyone else missing.  I'm not interested in being right or anything, I just get curious about these things.  Keep well.

I am psychic and have had 17 correct visions of missing children, they come as random images and in some way connected  to me. I once had a paper burn in a picture where a school child was missing as Rosie Palmer.

They could not find her, and there in the top window there appeared a settee, she was there in the hole left out of the paper which appeared to burn. Later this came to pass that she was there.

Anyhow, Aruba.

 I have been getting the trellis of a window, this room is yellow, it is clean and there is nothing in this part of what is a 'room'. The slatted window has four large wooden battons down and three I think across like a security screen. These are vertical and horizontal. There is a smell of joss sticks or some perfume that is sickly. I have had this since 7th of this month. There are no trees shading this screen and it is about four foot off the floor, and a very long rectangular structure. I feel this is ozone in the air, and near water, a pool conservatory perhaps. This is not a home, it is a facility. Is it a school building. The building inside is almost canary yellow, and I am looking into the corner of it and the longest wall is this window.

There are as I write a tinkling of windchimes coming in. There is a search party nearby, a man called jose is in this party.

Keep writing what your're getting.

I'd bet there is a man named "Jose" or something close in the search party arriving Friday...

I know you said this wasn't a home; but what you described honestly sounds a lot like the inside of Paulus and Anita Van Der Sloot's home as it looked last night on Greta's show. Since Paulus has just been arrested, suddenly this post seems more relevant than ever.

Your description does sound like the Van Der Sloot home which was on TV on Wednesday and today.

See post in first message as thread on behaviours.

Here it is.

IMy reluctance all through to use my intuitive side is now being shown as the walled building IS the Van Der Sloot home. Why? Because the view the camera gave me in the interview shows a similar window screen at the back of the picture beyond the dining table to Anita’s left. This is not the room shown by spirit guides.

Today, I asked spirit guide and like previous cases the message was the song  with a vision.
‘Matchstick and matchstick cats and dogs, on the street … with the marching clogs’
This without any prompting was repetitive with an image of like straw or hay, as in pickup sticks as a bundle covering the thing they wanted me to see. My spirit guide is strangely Anita, who has not come in before. The place where Natalee is will be found by the Texan dog’s. The bundle of  sticks is near that pond, no it is  near the house. A bin is in the scene, it is red.

Before I had got with another case ‘jack and jill went up the hill and Jill came tumbling after and the stagnant weeds in water of where the Girls were in the Holly and Jessica case as recorded on the community website before they were found. This turned out   to be correct.  Songs are how the messages come in, as in the ‘ring a  ring o roses’ all fall down.

Had a very disturbing but vivid dream.  Something that I never have.  may be because of all the attention this is getting.

Anyway last night I had a dream of a blonde girl being inside a white vehicle (some type of suv) in a pond behind someones house.  It was very disturbing and woke me up imediatly,  I saw this young woman floating in the front seat of the vehicle.  The young woman had long blonde hair, and a thin body.

Unless Anita Van Der Sloot comes clean of her own domestic abuse, which is in her eyes, and tissues I shall be forced to  do this, as ethical. I do not like the words or that shown me. For I love  her and her and feel for her suffering.

Dutch Lady, what will you be forced to do?

I like reading dutch ladys stuff

Dutchladdy, write some more. Your take/insight and the way you express yourself is like a beacon of light.

Dutchlady, I can't find the post you were referring to and I searched a lot.  How about a link to it?

Here you go Cerulean:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=26474&highlight=&sid=81fb2307af6a243aa1c765243f02a5ff#26474

Dutchlady, come back! You're pretty awesome, and seem to have a gift...

Had vivid dream in which NH was given a drug; then the drugged, unconscious NH is in the front of a pickup truck between two males very  very late in the wee hours of the morning... then an abrupt change of scene, it is suddenly daytime,  in a building that has the "feeling" of a garage, but is not a garage, it's on the water, it is a boathouse containing a speedboat.  I do not see NH on the speedboat or in this boathouse, but within the dream I "feel" her presense there. The boathouse is constructed of old dark wood, there are no lights inside this structure, but it is bright inside due to sunlight enters between the planks of wood, particularly from above where the ceiling/roof is not airtight.  Vivid dream ends abruptly, and somehow tosses me into WIDE-awakeness after minimal sleep.

newshound, you should send that to

texas_equusearch@hotmail.com

may just be very worthwhile...

Hello, wbvious.

I could never bother unknown law enforcement professionals about this dream - which although was quite vivid, was certainly not a lucid dream -- consequently, I did not have 'strong' feelings about its content;  however, today when I read this thread, I noted two different postings in this thread with similar 'visuals' to the appearance of the the boathouse in my dream.

So, I thought I should share.

Who knows? MAYBE lots of people are dreaming weathered boards which comprise a wooden structure, and in the end it will be significant.

For me, however, I seriously do NOT *know* if that boathouse was in Aruba, or a nearby island, or on the coastal mainland in South America.

But I did *feel* Natalee, strongly, the same way that BHT adamently states that she undeniably *FELT* Natalee had been at the VDS's home; similarly, that dream boathouse was embued with Nat's energy....

newshound:
only mentioned it because on another thread it was stated that the Texas equus search team would indeed be considering information sent to them by psychics (incl. from this site) to help aid in the search...

while you stated it was only just a dream, instead of therefore a psychics interpretation, the imagery nevertheless hit me because it made me realize that boathouses had not been mentioned in the press as having being a part of any search to the best of my knowledge...(although a couple boats in the water were searched last week i believe)

no stone should be left unturned, no door unopened...

however i have the uneasy feeling now that she or at least some of her articles/belongings may be a lot closer to 'home'(the VDS's)

i sure hope they thoroughly check under the house and any outbuildings that may be in the area

Did the police dig up the sand inside the Fisherman huts on the beach?  I saw a picture somewhere and these were made of weathered wood.

wait a minute

her friend

her last name is

byrd

Now Michael22, maybe it is a Croes that leads the way... :)

or maybe even a twitty bird...???  How long have Jug and Beth been married?

wow I'm seriously impressed with this thread

I to on another board in the beginning got a weathered clap board hut and a fishing sign, which can be corroborated. However the house where Joran lives is a hot spot of bright energy, there is violence there in what form I do not know.

The area as in post to aruban girl on photo request explain more on the sticks over a weathered board, and before I consulted this post. I am looking for a trap door that has a store below and feel this is animal place and would make sense.

In my none intuitive side, if as forensically aware as these guys are due to dads preferred position which he was said to have failed in Holland as judge I were to think of containing as in Neilson, the Black Panther in UK or as Brady in burial I would appropriate a location and leave a naturally occuring object as a marker. Brady did just that as  a sadist well reported in the Dutch media for his MO.

I would seek a place that has mosquito leck mating high ratio and insects so that has to be near animals as they use pheramones to target areas. That is sweat, stinking fish, and bovine manure, or pig manure, wild dogs etc and a stagnent water but, or pool nearby. That is the entomology I would be seeking to avoid wasps and insects being seen in the cooller parts of the day that the team of Texans need to look for. Especially wasps hovering over an area  that is woody and contained.

Next the soil or strata. The ground that has to be dug is the least desired by persons as it leaves as time has gone by a depression as  calibration pit, that small  grains fall into as settling agents, so sand is out. The best medium that predators use takes the form of animal behaviour in being firm but with some hard grains, and is easy to scoop out larger rocks and with some cover of vegetation. In premeditated actions from historical research such areas of hiding are known already and not just found.

The texan team need to look now for a cognition of such knowledge as not themselves but of what is so normal it is missed. A random stack of wood, stones is not random and that why have asked aruban girl on my intuitive side to send photos of natural objects discussed. I have done this and continue to do so on vast spaces using imaging in   negative reversal as images used in this way show more detail as ultrasound does in the human body.

I feel the weathered boards are significant for some reason so are exposed to the elements. In finding Joran's story and the others completely evades the homes of Joran and the brothers, I wonder more on the cognition of distancing for what logically would be the place where he took people and photographed them unless it was the internet cafe, but would err on the side of Jorans flat complex. From this standpoint and starting point Joran has a problem. A  big one. His father is or is said to be in that house, so either this man is playing away - a reasonable assumption, or he is at home when the events happen and wakes to find commotion. This might in the former explain why he is so nervous, often simple clandestine affairs conflict with such a case in the reasons for behaviour. This is a known conflict of interest  in a lot of investigations.

Please know we are all trying and pass on my signs as forensic markers of where a grave or depository would show as visual markers taken as 'normal'.

Pete and Dutchlady:  I followed that link.   There's nothing there that is pertinent.  The first post Dutchlady made seeming to describe the Van Der Sloot home seemed to happen after it appeared on TV.

Cerulean, here are all of Dutchlady's posts at Scared Monkeys. Perhaps you can find what you are looking for:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/search.php?search_author=Dutchlady

Very Interesting posts Dutchlady.

Has Natalee's family released any video footage of NH to the media?

I do not recall seeing any video of Natalee.

Somewhere on this forum, maybe in this thread, someone mentioned holding NH's photo, and establishing rapport with her.

Whenever I try to focus on her image, all I get is someone who is very calm.

Which doesn't make sense, of course, in light of all our suspicions.

However, today I was reading several threads at a different forum and learned about the Twitty Twins, the two step brothers of Natalee who are football players, and one of whom allegedly got into a scuffle with JVDS at CNC's.

Why hasn't the family released any video footage of Natalee to the teevee channels?

Has America's Most Wanted done anything about this case?  Did they show any video of NH?

If any video has been made public, is there any that also has audio of Natalee's voice?

Frankly, after my several hours of reading last night and this morning, I now believe that when I get that feeling of 'CALMNESS' - that what I picked up is the firm determination to protect Natalee.

Inotherwords, I'm sensitive to them wanting to coverup material compromising not to the case, but to the reputations of the group of kids which visited Aruba.

LATER.


Will have to go examine Geraldo, who just went hysterical on teevee, screaming that some of the detainees were released --- which was NOT true.

I do NOT like his reportage, this is NOT some stupid Tabloid Make Money tv-show, and I look forward to Greta's return.




If somebody knows GVS, please ask her to ask BHT to PLEASE release a minute or two of clear video footage of her daughter moving around and speaking.... too many people are trying to cover up too many things....


I'm really suspicious this hasn't already been done, long ago --- afterall, isn't there a possibility that she was kidnapped and/or sold and ferreted to an entirely different country.


OR..... do they actually already have a body, and the Texas search team is there simply to scare the VDS into confessions???

I found what you are looking for, Cerulean. Dutchlady made the posts at Riehl World. She provides the link to her posts here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=35706&highlight=&sid=d644d96296b0ae7a77cebdc0c5857a3f#35706

Found an interesting link, "Birds of Aruba."

http://www.arubabirds.com/Arubabirdsphotos-birdinglocationsandbirdsonAruba.htm

They just released the father. This is a turn in the wrong direction. A devastating blow if Natalie is still alive.

For Natalie..
This site obviously has some "gifted people", some more than others, but I just can't help but think if all of us concentrated for the same minute, visualizing Natalie reuniting with her Mother, I am talking totally "dead zone" concentration it's got to be able to turn this thing around. If it is still possible?
No? Safety In Numbers....

To anyone who has 'sensed' rotting boards or planks like myself, please see the 2nd picture on this site:
http://www.ranchonotorious.com/horses.shtml  
I do not want to give this ranch bad publicity - I am only pointing out one of the pics I saw on the internet which I felt strongly about. I sensed horses, one being predominently white with some black, and could only be seen from the leg to hoof - similar to the horse in the first pic on this site: http://www.ranchonotorious.com/horsebackriding.shtml

I still pick up a strong ammonia smell, but a Google search produced many sources, such as making street drugs to cleaning products - and animal urine which if not cleaned up over time will smell like nasty ammonia.  

I was intrigued by the 'matchstick and matchstick, cats and dogs on the street' song previously posted. I sensed a while ago a lot of cigarette butts dumped in a pile. Perhaps the person lighting them uses matchsticks instead of a lighter and there is a pile of them also near the butts? Also, the dogs and cats on the street - Aruba's animal shelter is: http://www.arubaanimalshelter.org/  located in Oranjestad.
Maybe in a vehical that catches wild dogs and cats - someone driving it who smokes a lot? The building/truck would have a strong ammonia smell. The last part of the song "With the marching dogs" - I can't figure that one out...

Hey, just some hunches - Prayers for Natalee to come home.

The Snork

Just me, I keep hearing a couple or three recurring themes.

1.)The word(s) "Andy" and or "AndyKnew" or "Avenue."  I think it's interesting that, depending on how it's pronounced, it could be agrued that "AndyKnew," rhymes with "Van Der Sloot."

2. "Pool" has been mentioned on this and other sites.  Even you mentioned it above in conjunction with the "other side of the island."

I found an interesting photo of, I believe a "spool" (S+pool), titled, "the other side of Aruba."  I believe this wooden spool would have held telehone cable.

http://photos.nondot.org/2004-08-29-Honeymoon-Cruise/02%20-%20Aruba/normal/039%20-%20The%20other%20side%20of%20Aruba.jpg

3. The "wood' also fits it with other discussions of rotten planks or wood.

Am just trying to think of any and all possibilities.

Dutchlady, would you PLEASE take a look at Snorkletoes' link and see if the building in the bottom photo is what you are feeling?  
If it does, would you please PM her and/or me?  Thank you.


ETA: the link to the ranch

That animal shelter is sweet.  It's run by nice people.

Yes, you are correct. Dutchlady never claimed that she was describing to Van Der Sloot home before the interview. If you go back and read, you will see what I mean. I believe it was you that suggested it sounded like the Van Der Sloot home. All she said was to see message on behaviors when she started out her next post. That was not necessarily directed at you.

All I was doing was providing you the link to her posts, both here and at Riehl World. The Riehl World posts are still there, BTW. I just checked. There are a total of 5 of them starting at June 21, 2005 05:35 AM. There are posts from 21st, 22nd, and 24th)

I was the one who noticed it looked like the Van Der Sloot home. In fact, as I watched the interview with the lemony yellow walls and wooden screen in the Van Der Sloot home, I immediately thought of Dutchlady.

Cerulean mentioned it, too.

KV123 - I finally got access to your PMs and sent you some too.

On the psychic forum  http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270&sid=c637704977003a39985a5f8488d1e500  read what 'RED' posted - here's one of them:
------start of RED's posting from the prophecies forum-----
I did not want to share this but she was apparantly seen again with the 2 dark skinned guys (rasta-guys) in the neighborhood of Pos Chiquito as they were walking at night, according to sources.. This is why I asked PGW if she sees anything in Savaneta area. But I do not understand why this source could not follow them secretly and watching were they are walking to.... She was seen saturday... Maybe she met them at the soul festival or they can be securities that work for Marriot, Holiday Inn or Moomba Beach?. Only GOD knows so far...
------end of RED's posting from the prophecies forum-----

...hmmmm very interesting...I hope and pray she is still alive and is just being moved around the island. They need to check those seedy areas near C&C too.

--The Snork

Newshound - there is an old wood shack on the east side of the island, not far from the lighthouse.  We were vacationing there a month ago.  It was an old abandoned shack on the ocean between the lighthouse and the natural bridge.  May have been a horse stable at one time is what we were guessing then.

Debbieh -- Very interesting indeed. Do you have a pic that old wood shack on the east side of the island, not far from the lighthouse? I would love to see a pic of it, as I'm sure a few others on this forum would also.
--The Snork

Dutchlady, I hope you are reading this. I stumbled across this tonight after someone provided a link to virtual tours on Aruba. Click on "Gold Mill" and scan the whole panorama by following directions. Also, you can zoom in and out. I see things that look like pickup sticks in a bundle. I also see a tree trunk that is curled. I also see a red bin of some sort. Is this similar to what you are seeing?
http://aruba.com/pages/vrtour.htm

Dutchlady is on the forum I just noticed, so I will give this one a bump.


I wonder if there are more people who have "seen, heard, felt, or even smelt" things that have to do with Natalee.

She needs to be found, and the more seeings the better.

I see something that is sending me some image. I have got today a long channel with a grid over, might be a well, and some sign of a bank like that shown on this image as an overhang, I am as near as can be from that image shown and would say as only seeing one check it out. I see from photo red shape and cannot have seen this before.

I have a view very long distance of a shape like a lighthouse so wonder if this wave like bank overhang is near the ruin or seen as low elevation from the gold mines as I would not know.Please check out if there is a well there, that is important, or  cover as grid over some old mine, asp. God loves all his children who are pure in heart.

dutchlady,
please, please, please go read my thread at natalie holloway under pagan festival entry and read the thread between me and gagirl and also check out the other thread she listed.  This may totally give you some help.  Also wasn't sure if you heard/know of anything on this pagan thing????  

Also, I responded to another of your earlier posts. Please read it if you get a chance.  I think you are a very special person.  Do not let the few idiots here ruin all the help that you are providing!

dutchlady....one more thing...I posted the pagan thing here in this one but the thread I want you to read is posted in the theory board under pagan...  just to clarify

DL,
I mean the natalee board!  duh!  Sorry!

on Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:11 pm  (see page 4 of this Theory and Speculation thread).

Dutchlady, could the grid that you see be the crosshatch lines and strong RED that I see? My prev. post (quoted above) was an effort to describe my drawing. I'm looking at my drawing now, and the crosshatching is long and narrow, like the shape of a door, and is angled to the right about 45 degrees. Within this door shape are 3 evenly spaced vertical lines and 6 horizontal lines (the top 4 are evenly spaced, but there seems to be a maller rectangle within the lines too. The grid is enclosed with solid lines (like the outline of a door). The bottom edge of this 'door' is drawn at the bottom of the paper. Directly above this angled door about 2 inches up I drew an elipse the same size as the door top, with the words 'sunset' in the middle of it.  The upper left corner is stoney/rocks and such, and my angle of view is from directly in front of the paper, looking out and downward at the corsshatching - as if I am higher than the crosshatching.  The upper center is blue. The crosshatching is RED. Could the red be metal that has rusted?

I also heard screaming for 'Care', Cari', Karyn', etc... not sure what that was about - do anybody?

I also feel she was moved a few times (one or two).
Prayers for her safe return home...
--The Snork

Hi snork
Please read the pagan thing post I referred to above to dutchlady and read the link posted by gagirl.  it has red in it.  read it and read the thread

Nursebeeme - what a very interesting read. I googled "Shango" - seems there is a festival in July 2005? Other than that I have no idea what Shango is - but will check it out.

A few of us see red and blue. That link you provided also has yellow - which is what Dutchlady had seen a few days ago. Perhaps this is the house she saw that everyone said was the VDS's house?

--The Snork

snork,
yes, someone calling himself shango on the comment board on home page has been leaving poetic clues.  Gagirl interperted them and also was saying that this "religious group" was having a celebration and saw what and who went down but won't come forward due to "dirty hand" which sounds like someone who is corrupt that is keeping them silent like a bad cop or such.  Were you able to see that entire thread that she was talking about.  Very interesting and makes sense too.  What is natalee witnessed something and that also made her into a victim as well after "seeing" what ever happened.  Not sure if it is so but it seemed to go along with what you all are seeing especially the locale and colors/textures.  I bet shango does stand for something else too...that was really smart to google that

Do any of the psychics and/or sensitives here happen to strongly *feeeeeel* that Natalee Ann Holloway is ALIVE?

IF so, please, answer in the affirmative, and IF there are more than a few of us who " feeeeeeel " that this young woman is ALIVE, we could start a different messagethread, perhaps entitled: PSYCHICS No.2 - those who believe NH is alive

I do not feel comfortable starting such a thread if there are not a number of us who feel similarly.

Perhaps others, too, would not feel comfortable discussing this on a public forum.

I just wanted to post that I don't believe I'm physic or anything like that. But.. when I woke up that morning and read Shango's post I started crying.
It was completly out of character and I still don't know where it came from.
But something is telling me Shango is a key.
So that's why I went in the direction that I went with the search.

here is one thing that I found concerning this time frame and their festival.
These festivals are known to continue late in to the night sometime up until 4 in the morning.
 EGUNGUN FESTIVAL
MAY 25th - JUNE 2nd
Celebration of the great ancestors; pageants featuring
annual Royal Customs and the Oba's sacrifice to the ancestors.


Among the Oyo-Yoruba (who trace their political power back to Shango) the senior Elder Egungun masquerade is always Egungun Oya--the goddess in the form of cloth-segments.

Egungun is (almost exclusively, except for a few titled women) a male cult. Women are not allowed to come out during the ceremonies when Egunguns such as 'Oro' comes out to perform. It is believed that if a woman sees the masquerade, she would die very soon.

Where is the 'Comment' page? I can't find it (??)
Also, for the past hour this has been bothering me - somewhere, perhaps on this thread, I read that when the island employees took 1/2 day to look for Nat early on, they came across 2 men in a car, with a lady in the back, but she had dark hair and was wearing Nat's clothing. When they approached the car, two men came out with machette's and then the searching people took off. ..Someone else questioned if the island has shops that carry Nat's clothing line, or was that woman perhaps wearing Nat's clothing? I never heard any more about this incident, did you?

Wow - KV123 - are you reading this? (we were PM'ing eachother a few days ago about something very similar to this)...PMs are not allowed now otherwise I will share with you all - will do so shortly...The Snork

snorkle I have them saved to hd if you would like i could email them to you.

http://www.artsconnected.org/search/text.cfm?DBowner=mia&id=71

Excerpts from the above site:
Today most Yoruba people live in southern Nigeria and some in the Republic of Benin. They form one of the largest language groups in Africa. Many Yoruba people live in cities and large towns. ...
According to Yoruba belief, only a descendant of these original sixteen could be considered a divine king and, therefore, eligible to wear the veiled beaded crown, known as an adenla (great crown).
The basic unit of the work is the single strand of beads. These may be extended vertically, diagonally, or horizontally to form geometric outlines, and they may be cut in diminishing to increasing lengths to fill in patterns. . . .  

MEANING OF DESIGN ELEMENTS
Four basic design elements characterize beaded crowns worn on state occasions by the divine Yoruba kings.
- projection at the top
- a beaded fringed veil
- frontal faces in relief or partial relief
- beaded birds rendered in the round

This website discusses the elements comprising masks and there is an entire section for the BIRDS added to them. Didn't someone on this thread see/sense birds?
--The Snork

seeing or sensing birds could also mean a flock... sorry first thing that came to my head.

Thanks!

Hello,   I am not a psychic, but have found this forum interesting. I have had the experience of dreams coming true before and have always wondered if I should pursue this gift more....  I read the following  from a previous post....

A few of us see red and blue. That link you provided also has yellow - which is what Dutchlady had seen a few days ago. Perhaps this is the house she saw that everyone said was the VDS's house?

--The Snork

Just a thought,  Red and Blue make purple.....

Snorkletoes, can you look at your drawing at the upper-center where it is blue?  Could it be a large blue rug up on the wall?  The blue rug in my dream had large blue loops.  I searched on the internet and looked at the first picture on this website below, that is the texture of the rug I saw in my room.  It was large, covered most of the wall.  I guess it must be a "hooked rug".  Here's the website and just look at the very first rug picture:

http://www.buyrugsdirect.com/SearchResults.asp?txtKeyword2=Hand%20Hooked&WebPage=Hooked

Dallas - I just RV'd on paper and wrote the color blue. I didn't see/feel textures on it, or identified that it was a rug as such.  Sorry. I sense you are very sure the object you see is in fact a rug - have you considered that maybe you are seeing the picture from another dimension, that the rug you think is on the wall is actually on the floor, and you are seeing it from a different angle? (just a thought!)
http://www.buyrugsdirect.com/ProductDetail.asp?SKU_ID=2822&ImageName=10105-Kid_at_Heart_Designs-Blue-n_a-Rectangular.gif&remid=
If this is what you are seeing, it has flowers on it, a pink/white striped pattern, green polkadots...a bit more than a blue rug on a wall. Could it be symbolic?
--The Snork

On that website, I only wanted to show you the texture of the blue rug - in my dream, the rug was solid blue.

I follow your reasoning, but I'm sure it was up on the wall because there was a black-and-white TV turned on and positioned to the left of the blue-rug.

The TV could be a regular color TV that was playing a black-and-white television program (like an old rerun).

I don't dream much.  I used to have such vivid dreams that I prayed to be freed of them, frankly - and they were predictive.  Then this one came along.

Rvmaui saw birds

rvmaui



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: a real live bird  

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I see it as a bird of feathers and a nest. The bird watcher is in a precarious position to observe the birds return to its nest. Or it’s a scavenger bird which is the thought I wanted to avoid. This may be far in the future as I see some bones not much flesh. Sorry for the graphic details.

I see the body in between two rocks. Like fat pillars. Not visible from the place where she was dropped. No digging involved. The odor is more than noticeable right now. Not a hole but a ledge and not a far drop. the vehicle she and the Caucasian male traveled in drove all the way to this ledge. The last 65 meters or so on an unbeaten path not traversed by cars. The Caucasian male is the only one out of the 3 suspects that knows this location. He climbed down himself to confirm no one would see this out of the way resting place.

To answer the previous question I never or rarely hear anything as I remote view. I see colors, shapes, textures, and can smell some odors. metal and stone always resonate loud and clear. If the person came in contact with metal or stone and I can focus on it and seem to get the best "signals". If I hear any thing it is muted mumbling and groans, noises I don't like to listen to. And no one ever speaks to me (I don't hear voices) . I did not hear "Andy" or even the name of the park or National park. I know the land where she rests is not privately owned. It may not be an actual park but government land.

He also may have needed permission to accomplish this task. I can not tell who would give such permission

And I saw seagulls:
Seagulls, are they around the island? Is there a place were they are most, where a lot of fish is also? No tourists, just nature..Someone posted about a bird watcher, I see no woods or trees..It is really boring there, but where is that place??

I do not know what my deceased family are telling me this morning in a trance, they are  or were vibrating the sound of or situation of coal mines which would now seem presumptious if not for the fact Lowrie drew his figures from the people who worked in the Lancashire pit villages. That is why he drew clogs.

Now I have got a half of a walnut shell, I am celtic and study wiccan archeology when looking for a murdered missing boy from the clues given by his own kidnapper and killer, which others cannot decypher.

This walnut shell at first confused me as face on like a thing one wears in fencing. In later clearing of mist my aunty showed me it as a single pearl in a shape like a walnut shell.

I had this vision of looking down at my breasts, but they are not mine they are of a young girls and of a size I would say of bra 36D. This I do not understand symbolism. The scene Snork is viewing I have to put a scanner on my spirit who has drawn a set of wiggly lines and what looks like a road sign as square with an 11 in it with the b at the beginning of the first figure one.

The slatted cace type recess is like a tunnel under what I saw earlier and still the stench of fish as in the very first when got fishing hut and some water. That is not ocean water as there is not the same vibration, it is stagnent water. The slats are shown above, but yes sideways a little, not 45 degrees but like a coal hatch that is slanted, there are gaps in this so light comes in, and the workings of tools in the roof show this is some sort of rock, again the walnut is shown as the ripple outer shell. I feel as said some person here alive, do not know who it is, or if it is Natalee. I do not want to be led in this.

I feel that the group of five looking down on this hatch are a group where one wears a sort of cowboy hat as symbolic, for there faces are in shadow, and they are up above me looking down, as feet are nearest to me where I am. Who else is missing on the island from work???
This not level ground. What does anyone else. I will look on replies and did not as did not want to be influenced since my 'contact' with spirit guides this morning. I have a lady here who is wearing her hair in large scrolls of auburn hair and like an old style film star, who is 'related' to someone shown in the media of this situation. She has very red thick lipstick and very beautiful like a Nicaraguan or American native Indian. Her hair is like Betty Davis is it in that long style of the 40's.

About the red and blue colors. I didn't think it had anything to do with Natalee at all, but reading so much about these colors I will post it anyway.

I saw a blue button and a red one. (buttons that you can push, like some kind of machine) Normally it would be a green and a red next to eachother, start and stop, but left was the blue, and right the red one.

I can't think of anything that could fit these buttons

I see a road with brown red gravel  that is near the beach, a lot of seagulls sit there, not on rocks, but on a little sandbank. It is as if I look from just behind that sandbank to the beach, no trees, no buildings, and the sand on the beach is lightbrown, not white. I can't hear any noise, it is a quiet place.

Well, there is nothing in my description that would fit the buttons, maybe it doesn't have to do with Natalee at all :roll:

Dutchlady, there are a few others missing if I am correct. A man named Sergio Mendez? and a man who was on the same plane as Natalee.

Does anyone feel that Natalee is not on Aruba, but somewhere else, in a location we have been describing so far on this thread? I just read the Revelation13 bible code link http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html
and here's some info from it (note he mentions 'possibly underground or in a cave too!':

"...My guess: she is still alive, and was kidnapped, drugged, and shipped to Venezuela by boat, and may still be in Venezuela, Colombia, Curacao, or in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, or elsewhere in South America, or may have been shipped to the Middle East, for either some Muslim's harem, or enforced prostitution in the sex slave trade in South America or the Middle East. It is possible one or more of the three or four alleged young suspects were part of this kidnapping, but I am not sure on that. I would take a close look at the associates of the three young suspects, and whether they had gambling debts and criminal friends. The kidnappers may be keeping her out of sight until the publicity dies down, since CNN is watched all around the world, and they are afraid that she will be recognized. So she may be held out of sight now in South America, possibly underground in a cave (since "Sloot" means ditch or pit in Dutch). If as I said previously this is a Revelation 12 related series of events, then I think this means Natalee is still alive and will be found OK. Again, if I was to guess the most likely place where Natalee is, I think it is Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, taken there for white slavery. I would suggest Brazil's police look for her there.

 

Yes, I feel strongly that Natalee is alive, and that she was taken somewhere in a speedboat.  But I do not know WHERE she was taken, but I sense that she is alive, and actually is calm, as opposed to being distraught or emotionally upset.

Not many people left the island with her on the speedboat.  I do not know if they went to another island, or to a yaught, or to the mainland.

Whenever I attempt to establish a rapport with NH, she is CALM.

Afterwards, I am not calm --- as I wonder, IF she is alive and fine, and aware of the search for her, and maybe even reading our words..... HOW can she come forth, if she is free to come forth, is she too embarressed to come forward?

And frankly, I'm not certain what I'd tell her, how I'd advise her.... as obviously a media quagmire awaits her.

Snork,
there is a post by Red/redhead over at the prophecies board you sent me to who talks about a woman with her face painted red and blue, who just killed her boyfriend.  I think it is page 25 or 26.
I tried to sign up on that site and I had no luck, nor can I make guest posts, or I'd be chatting with Red... she is going to search on her own Saturday she says.

Here's an interesting posting made today by someone with the moniker of niika, who claims NH is NOT on Aruba, but was taken by speedboat to Venezuala.

MAYBE it is simply a hoax posting, I do not know.




June 30th, 2005 at 2:00 pm
@niika
Where are you from ? Are you from Aruba and who told you this ?

Let me translate what you say , using altavista babelfish and a few additional corrections of my own :


"Joran tells, however, the truth. He has left her behind on the beach. But was not that voluntary. She has been doped (drugged ) outside west left behind on the beach. Joran had to, as it happens, an appointment with Venezuelan drug Lord to supply them a blonde maid to serve as a sex slave in the underground world of Caracas. Joran had, as it happens, the necessary gokschulden and stood deeply in red ochre at the Venezuelan drug gangs. Speedboat, normally use to deliver coke on the island was now used to pick up the doped little girl. Our Natalee are alive but not so well in a sex cellar in caracas. Therefore I would advise the americans to look out there. In Venzuela come but few tourists of blonde type therefore it seem to me a rather simple matter to trace the lady there."

Why do you talk here in Dutch and where did you get this info from ?"




http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1203#comment-32353

KV123 - I wrote this on my computer on 6/19/05 at 11:06pm - I think I PM'd it to you but can't check now since PM is turned off. Regardless, when I wrote it I felt she was on Aruba.  I do not feel she is still on Aruba anymore. I hope our FBI is checking leads in other countries too.

- start of 6/10/05 11:06pm--

hair cut off - bob - dyed brown
sunglasses - spray tan
disguised to get out of country.
dreadlocks on one man - med build 5foot8inches
lady - black - medium 160 lbs low cut black spandex top spaghetti strings, red lipstick, black capris, sandals. jamacan? islander but not aruban. dominican perhaps?
beach shack, radio playing for news of natalee, flipping back and forth on radio stations to make sure they are not followed. leary of boats now to get off island so stuck on island. not sure what to do. Natalee can identify them. if they let her go she will tell on them. if they kill her they cannot get off island and fbi are here so they are not doing that. fbi needs to stay on island so natalie is safe keeps going back to 3-4 different places they haven't checked yt. one being barn/underground. keeping her drugged and hungry so drugs will work better. dehydrated, unkempt. another man's appt. 2nd floor climbing up stairs to tiny 1-2 room place. no air. no fans or ceiling fans. dirty, no furniture room/apt. cloths scattereredd around. pollice need to find her or to put helicopters in air to find her. what aboout gps?
- end of 6/10/05 11:06pm--  The Snork

There are plenty of online psychics who have made their "feelings" known about this case and guess what? None of their feelings seem to match. Hmmm, imagine that. I guess it's not exactly a science.

Newshound - When Nat first went missing the first thing I said to my spouse was "she'll be added to a columbian sex slave ring". Our son has blond hair/blue eyes and when vacationing on the islands we never let him out of our sight for an instance. The CA university I attended back in the mid 70's was 80% foreign, mainly with students from the middle east -who drooled over every blond/blue eyed female they saw.  ...I think many of us kind of sense this scenario is plausible (something bad happened to natalee)...which is why we feel she is still alive, not only in our hearts.

We've also 'sensed' the color RED, so do you know what is meant by "...and stood deeply in red ochre at the Venezuelan drug gangs."?

--The Snork

TigerL,
There are a few of us who do not claim to be 'psychics', but just seem to 'sense' things about Natalee. Perhaps if Natalee was moved several times, different people are picking up different things about different areas she may have been in, at different times. Do you think Natalee is still alive? What do you sense about Natalee? If you try to focus yourself you may be suprised at the feelings you have - this is just what some of us are also having and typing on this board, perhaps it can help to bring her safely home....

--The Snork

http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360
Just read it - very creepy. One woman, 2 men...and they have her pic on the back of a phone book or something like that...wearing a carnival costume with a painted red/blue face. Very creepy. What's going on in Aruba? So is this in addition to the headless guy they also found last week?