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Title: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 17, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2015, 02:33:53 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Can't think of a better way to start a new thread!  Almost over now!  The documents aren't available to download yet but it's GREAT NEWS!


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Partialdismiss031715_zps8xdr8cjl.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2015, 02:35:39 PM
I'll keep checking the court website.  Hopefully the docs will be available this week!   ::MonkeyGavel::

One in prison and the other two not getting $$   ::MonkeyDance::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: grace-land on March 20, 2015, 04:44:17 PM
Thank you, klaas, for the good news...and thank you to the good monkey who paid for the documents!  ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: Kermit on March 20, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
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Run ya leprechaun's run......




me thinks Christmas is coming early.....tick...tock


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/prejudice_zpsynwydypc.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: MuffyBee on March 20, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
Thank you, klaas, for the good news...and thank you to the good monkey who paid for the documents!  ::justice2nj2::



Ditto!!   ::rhino::

 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2015, 08:18:20 PM
From 2009  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Can't think of a better way to start a new thread!  Almost over now!  The documents aren't available to download yet but it's GREAT NEWS!


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Partialdismiss031715_zps8xdr8cjl.jpg)

OMG, Awesome news!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Justice comes in many forms.  Yes, it does.   ::monkeywine2:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Thank you, Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
Not much to it but here is is.  I don't believe it has anything to do with a settlement because the judge previously ruled that the plaintiffs could not seek punitive or general damages  ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ReqDismissal1_zpsji9zfowv.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on March 22, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL

Ho...Ho, Ho Merry Christmas!!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 22, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: Red on March 22, 2015, 06:22:14 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Can't think of a better way to start a new thread!  Almost over now!  The documents aren't available to download yet but it's GREAT NEWS!


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Partialdismiss031715_zps8xdr8cjl.jpg)

Question: Is the partial dismissal with prejudice a result of this California appeals court considers the question of whether two brothers once connected to the disappearance of the American teen are considered limited-purpose public figures? The court stated that ...

Deepak Kalpoe didn't shy away from the limelight. He gave an interview to Fox News' Greta van Susteren and MSNBC's Clint van Zandt and allowed his attorney to give other press interviews. Moreover, Deepak spoke several times to a literary agent and prepared a book proposal. Judge Woods writes, "These actions, considered together, can be interpreted as voluntary acts designed to draw special attention to or influence the public perception of guilt."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on March 22, 2015, 06:28:25 PM
This is the court decision I was referring to: http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/B249048.PDF

DISCUSSION

Public figures are subject to a heightened burden when they institute lawsuits for defamation. They must prove by clear and convincing evidence that an allegedly

defamatory statement was made with “actual malice,” that is, with knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISPOSITION

The petition is granted in part and denied in part. Let a peremptory writ of mandate issue directing the respondent Los Angeles Superior Court to vacate the portion
of its order of April 2, 2013, which denied petitioners’ Motion in Limine #11 as to real party Deepak and to enter a new and different order granting
that motion as to Deepak to the extent the motion asks that the court find him a limited public figure, and to conduct further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion. Petitioners are to recover their costs in this writ proceeding.

WOODS, J


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 22, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
Red - I don't think the Kalpoes or their attorneys ever expected it to last this long or expected it to go to trial.  I believe all along they were hoping for a settlement.  Once the attorneys realized it wasn't going to happen they started jumping ship. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on March 22, 2015, 07:55:12 PM
Red - I don't think the Kalpoes or their attorneys ever expected it to last this long or expected it to go to trial.  I believe all along they were hoping for a settlement.  Once the attorneys realized it wasn't going to happen they started jumping ship. 

I think you are right. They wanted that nuance money made to just make something go away. I am glad that Dr. Phil's attorneys did not do so and they probably did not because it would create a terrible precedent and the faux-lawsuits would follow.

As I have said from the outset, in order to file a defamation of character suit, one had to first have character.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Red - I don't think the Kalpoes or their attorneys ever expected it to last this long or expected it to go to trial.  I believe all along they were hoping for a settlement.  Once the attorneys realized it wasn't going to happen they started jumping ship. 

I think you are right. They wanted that nuance money made to just make something go away. I am glad that Dr. Phil's attorneys did not do so and they probably did not because it would create a terrible precedent and the faux-lawsuits would follow.

As I have said from the outset, in order to file a defamation of character suit, one had to first have character.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 22, 2015, 09:50:55 PM
Red - I don't think the Kalpoes or their attorneys ever expected it to last this long or expected it to go to trial.  I believe all along they were hoping for a settlement.  Once the attorneys realized it wasn't going to happen they started jumping ship. 

I think you are right. They wanted that nuance money made to just make something go away. I am glad that Dr. Phil's attorneys did not do so and they probably did not because it would create a terrible precedent and the faux-lawsuits would follow.

As I have said from the outset, in order to file a defamation of character suit, one had to first have character.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::rhino::


 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  Exactly!! 

 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: Ono on March 23, 2015, 10:13:18 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you, klaas, for the good news...and thank you to the good monkey who paid for the documents!  ::justice2nj2::



Ditto!!   ::rhino::

 ::buzzbee3::

Me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on March 23, 2015, 10:27:52 AM
REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL

Ho...Ho, Ho Merry Christmas!!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Ironically appropriate it was filed on St. Patrick's Day !!!   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on March 23, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
I'm late to the party!! I still want to know if Dr. Phil can now collect damages (ie their own attorney fees) for this colossal waste of time and money???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2015, 05:53:28 PM
::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
I'm late to the party!! I still want to know if Dr. Phil can now collect damages (ie their own attorney fees) for this colossal waste of time and money???

Hi Wreck - I want to know that myself.  If I see or hear anything I'll be sure to post it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 26, 2015, 05:54:31 PM
::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
I'm late to the party!! I still want to know if Dr. Phil can now collect damages (ie their own attorney fees) for this colossal waste of time and money???

Hi Wreck - I want to know that myself.  If I see or hear anything I'll be sure to post it!

I always thought that if Deepak loses the case, then he is liable for Dr Phil's attorney fees. If the case is dismissed,then he wouldn't be liable. We should ask a lawyer to be certain.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869
Post by: Blue Moon on March 26, 2015, 07:51:05 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Can't think of a better way to start a new thread!  Almost over now!  The documents aren't available to download yet but it's GREAT NEWS!


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Partialdismiss031715_zps8xdr8cjl.jpg)


It's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Now I would like to know who financed this.  They had to have had deep pockets...........




 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed/

Victory For Dr. Phil! Defamation Lawsuit From Former Natalee Holloway Murder Suspects Dismissed
Posted on Mar 24, 2015 @ 4:11AM

More than six years and dozens of legal filings later, Dr. Phil McGraw has emerged victorious in a legal tussle against former Natalee Holloway murder suspects Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers had sued him for defamation back in 2008, but RadarOnline.com has learned that the case was dismissed on March 17.

The Surinamese brothers sued Dr. Phil and CBS Paramount Domestic Studios in 2008, over allegations that producers of the Dr. Phil show hired private investigators and traveled to Aruba. After agreeing to meet the private investigator, the plaintiffs alleged, they were videotaped without their permission. Deepak Kalpoe claims he never had sex with Holloway, despite appearing to admitting to it on the show. Their lawsuit accused Dr. Phil of defamation, invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress.

READ THE BOMBSHELL DISMISSAL  http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mcgraw-signed.pdf

According to court documents obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com, the lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice​ on March 17.

Under California law, when a lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice, the plaintiffs are forbidden from filing another lawsuit against the defendant on similar grounds.

It’s unclear if there was a settlement in the case.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2015, 02:34:49 PM
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed/

Victory For Dr. Phil! Defamation Lawsuit From Former Natalee Holloway Murder Suspects Dismissed
Posted on Mar 24, 2015 @ 4:11AM

More than six years and dozens of legal filings later, Dr. Phil McGraw has emerged victorious in a legal tussle against former Natalee Holloway murder suspects Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers had sued him for defamation back in 2008, but RadarOnline.com has learned that the case was dismissed on March 17.

The Surinamese brothers sued Dr. Phil and CBS Paramount Domestic Studios in 2008, over allegations that producers of the Dr. Phil show hired private investigators and traveled to Aruba. After agreeing to meet the private investigator, the plaintiffs alleged, they were videotaped without their permission. Deepak Kalpoe claims he never had sex with Holloway, despite appearing to admitting to it on the show. Their lawsuit accused Dr. Phil of defamation, invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress.

READ THE BOMBSHELL DISMISSAL  http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mcgraw-signed.pdf

According to court documents obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com, the lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice​ on March 17.

Under California law, when a lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice, the plaintiffs are forbidden from filing another lawsuit against the defendant on similar grounds.

It’s unclear if there was a settlement in the case.

 ::snipping3::

Same document I posted the one page of.  Rest of the pages are really nothing.  I don't believe there was a settlement but I'm sure if there was we will eventually hear about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2015, 02:45:35 PM
Only 3-4 years for DWI even if you kill someone?!!!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.dutchcaribbeanlegalportal.com/news/latest-news/4946-boosheid-op-aruba-over-vrijlating-agent-na-dodelijk-ongeluk

Google translation:

Anger in Aruba on release agent after fatal accident

March 16, 2015 8:53 AM

ORANGE CITY - Aruba is outraged because a police officer was released. Who was arrested Friday after they had caused a fatal accident.
 
This was added a 12-year-old girl died. The police officer was drunk behind the wheel and was arrested on the spot. But also quickly released.
 
According to a press release from the police and the prosecution is not about the police themselves. The maximum penalty for drunk driving is three years in Aruba. For that reason, the OM is not a suspect hose into custody.
 
News agency Curacao

http://masnoticia.com/cuerpo-policial-ta-informa-mucha-victima-di-accidente-ta-fayese/

Papiamentu translation:

cuerpo policial is informa: child victima of accidente is fayese

mar 14th, 2015

was diabierna rond of 7:00pm cu owing to sosode one accidente earnest on the caminda of spaans lagoen in cual one car owing to atropeya one child cu was hungando on caminda. the situation of the victima was critico. police, on peticion of the paramediconan on ambulance, owing to close the caminda principal on ruta for hospital for can owing to help the ambulance arrive more lihe possible. all this while in ambulance was haci all possible for cuminsa brinda first asistencia, in contacto constante cu dokternan at spoedeisende hulp of hospital cu was wait for on the victima. all the time at the sitio the constata cu the chauffeur of the car cu owing to alcansa the hobencita is one police. for can garantisa transparencia y imparcialidad, owing to send calling all autoridad competente, incluyendo alto comisario of police, cu owing to present at the sitio for place his self at height of the susedido. owing to interoga the sospechoso, owing to detene y haci one test cune of breath, cu owing to confirma cu the was below ; influencia of alcohol. the investigacion is continua now, under direccion of ministerio publico. saturday is enter the news tristo cu pa2:17pm, doctor at hospital owing to constata dead of zinnia k. croes, naci at aruba day 29 of october 2002. police owing to activa his equipment of “slachtofferhulp” cu is brindando asistencia at parents y family directo of the victima, while cu at another near is brindando sosten also at the police cu also is pasando in momentonan very dificil. on red social owing to notice much critica on the mature cu the sospechoso owing to stay deteni y let pound. cuerpo policial is aclaria cu the autoridad cu is dicidi on detencion y encarcelacion is ministerio publico. they also is confrontando one cambio haci in leynan penal, in cual owing to descend the castigo for cause accidente below ; influencia of alcohol of 4 for 3 year. the cambio owing to place cu fiscal not can give ordo for detene one sospechoso so y encarcel’e till day the caso come fast corte. esey is possible only in delitonan cu have one castigo of 4 year or more. dicon owing to cambi’e, do not conoci. command polisial owing to atende the asunto here end cu the instancianan concerni. cuerpo policial aruba is expresa words of condolencia at family of the victima, cu without doubt is pasando in much tristeza y dolor at the instant here. come across

http://masnoticia.com/hobencita-alcansa-pa-auto-ta-bira-e-di-dos-morto-den-trafico/

Papiamentu translation:

hobencita alcansa for car is become the of two dead in trafico

mar 14th, 2015 local

saturday for 2:17 nightfall autoridad is confirma cu the hobencita cu owing to stay alcansa for one car on caminda of spaans lagoenweg at pos diminutive diabierna night owing to fayece at hospital. the lady chauffeur cu owing to alcansa the hobencita of 12 year is one police at civil cu was biniendo downstairs in his hyundai tucson enough duro y the impacto was uno enough strong self. polisnan at the sitio owing to place the lady chauffeur blow at the sitio y at keep of police did take notice cu the la surpasa the boundary, where here is follow one investigacion. autoridadnan owing to stay till at ultimo at the sitio of accidente for haci they investigacion con the accidente here owing to sucede. zinnia k croes naci 29 october 2002 is become the of two dead in trafico insigur at aruba.

(http://masnoticia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/14-3-15dosmortodentrafico.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/20150314/21193/Mucha_cu_e_auto_a_dal_diabierna_anochi_a_fayece_y_ta_bira_e_di_2_victima_di


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed/

Victory For Dr. Phil! Defamation Lawsuit From Former Natalee Holloway Murder Suspects Dismissed
Posted on Mar 24, 2015 @ 4:11AM

More than six years and dozens of legal filings later, Dr. Phil McGraw has emerged victorious in a legal tussle against former Natalee Holloway murder suspects Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers had sued him for defamation back in 2008, but RadarOnline.com has learned that the case was dismissed on March 17.

The Surinamese brothers sued Dr. Phil and CBS Paramount Domestic Studios in 2008, over allegations that producers of the Dr. Phil show hired private investigators and traveled to Aruba. After agreeing to meet the private investigator, the plaintiffs alleged, they were videotaped without their permission. Deepak Kalpoe claims he never had sex with Holloway, despite appearing to admitting to it on the show. Their lawsuit accused Dr. Phil of defamation, invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress.

READ THE BOMBSHELL DISMISSAL  http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mcgraw-signed.pdf

According to court documents obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com, the lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice​ on March 17.

Under California law, when a lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice, the plaintiffs are forbidden from filing another lawsuit against the defendant on similar grounds.

It’s unclear if there was a settlement in the case.

 ::snipping3::

Same document I posted the one page of.  Rest of the pages are really nothing.  I don't believe there was a settlement but I'm sure if there was we will eventually hear about it.


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
http://issuu.com/bondia.noticia/docs/bda23march2015

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/03232015bondia01_zpsf6tnc8wt.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/03232015bondia01_zpsf6tnc8wt.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/1b00484a-e6ec-4b61-828b-a9afdb10ab44_zpskdgmvgkk.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/1b00484a-e6ec-4b61-828b-a9afdb10ab44_zpskdgmvgkk.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2015, 06:10:30 PM
Watching every day to see when the trial is cancelled.  I'm sure it will be.  

    
Case Summary

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending

Future Hearings

04/06/2015 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/20/2015 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2015, 08:28:35 PM
Watching every day to see when the trial is cancelled.  I'm sure it will be. 

    
Case Summary

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending

Future Hearings

04/06/2015 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/20/2015 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial

Should be interesting to see what comes out of Monday's meeting.  I'm sure next week we'll see more documents filed and maybe even an official end to the case  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
Watching every day to see when the trial is cancelled.  I'm sure it will be. 

    
Case Summary

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Pending

Future Hearings

04/06/2015 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/20/2015 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial

Should be interesting to see what comes out of Monday's meeting.  I'm sure next week we'll see more documents filed and maybe even an official end to the case  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on April 04, 2015, 04:39:52 PM
38 Year Old John Grady Missing Since 4/3/15 in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=15626.0


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/John-Grady-300x225.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2015, 06:16:01 PM
Don't go to Aruba!

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=104836 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=104836)

Alexa    
Post subject: Accident in Arikok Park..with a Jeep
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:36 pm

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I don't know if any one posted this
R.I.P. ANJANETTE CABIGON (46)

Fatal accident near Shete



Saturday, March 28th, 2015 a safari-Jeep with several tourists capsized on the dirt road near Shete on the way to the Natural Pool at Conchi. The vacation of three American/Filipino nurses came to an abrupt end because one of them came from underneath the jeep; Anjanette Cabigon broke her neck and died instantly.

The jeep was capsized on a moderately sloping portion of the road about 600 meters from Shete. The road here is basically OK. Therefore the emergency services could reach the spot well.

The forensic team conducted an investigation.

Police believes that there has been a failed switch maneuver on the slope upwards, resulting in the jeep going slowly backwards after which the driver lost control of the wheel and then the Jeep capsized.

There was no alcohol involved and as far as we know, the tourists used a seat belt.

Although the road at the scene of the accident is not dangerous, Arikok will further analyse the two routes to Conchi in the coming weeks and together with our partners we will study if there are possible measures to improve safety and access for emergency services.

Parke Arikok will also do additional surveillance in the coming holidays around Easter, explicitly trying to ensure that 4×4 vehicles are not driving too fast (up to 20km/h) in the park and that all visitors observe the safety rules.

Parke Arikok has canceled the Movie Night last Saturday to honor the deceased. Board, management and employees of Arikok are shocked about the fatal accident and wish family and friends of Anjanette Cabigon much strength.

May she rest in Peace. Amen.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 08, 2015, 11:08:16 PM
I guess there are no case documents yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2015, 08:40:10 AM
I guess there are no case documents yet?

Not yet.  I've been checking twice a day and just checked again now.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 09, 2015, 01:22:03 PM
I guess there are no case documents yet?

Not yet.  I've been checking twice a day and just checked again now.  ::MonkeyCool::


Thanks for checking, Klaas.  Inquiring minds want to know...  ::rhino::

 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation-lawsuit_n_4474158.html

Dr. Phil Won't Pay In Defamation Case Over Natalee Holloway
Posted: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST Updated: 01/23/2014 8:17 am EST

 ::snipping3::

Judge Fred Woods, writing for a three-judge panel of the Second Appellate District on Dec. 17, cited a California statute in their ruling. The code, the judge wrote, requires parties seeking damages for defamation from news sources to first "demand a correction" or "[be] limited only to recovering special damages."

The statute was important to the ruling because the plaintiffs did not dispute claims by Dr. Phil's attorneys that they never demanded a correction from Dr. Phil or the producers of his show.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge William MacLaughlin had cited the same code in his December 2012 ruling that the plaintiffs could not seek punitive or general damages. However, the defense then asked the court to reconsider the ruling. They maintained the retraction rule only applied to media outlets engaged in the "immediate and rapid dissemination of news."

In Tuesday’s written ruling, Woods said the three-judge panel could not conclude that the statute only applies to outlets that engage in covering breaking news.

"The petition is denied [and] each party is to bear its own costs," Woods wrote in his ruling.

 ::snipping3::


http://www.metnews.com/articles/2015/wood032515.htm

Wednesday, March 25, 2015
 
Page 1
 
Justice Fred Woods to Retire From C.A. at End of Month
 
By a MetNews Staff Writer
 
Court of Appeal Justice Fred Woods of this district’s Div. Seven will retire at the end of the month, the MetNews has learned.

(http://www.metnews.com/articles/2015/wood032515_files/image001.jpg)
FRED WOODS
Court of Appeal Justice

Woods was not available yesterday for comment, but a staff member confirmed that the jurist plans to end his 30-year-plus judicial career on March 31, his 80th birthday.

He has served on the Court of Appeal since 1988, when he was elevated from the Los Angeles Superior Court, to which he was appointed in 1984.

 ::snipping3::

Woods earned his law degree in 1963 and was admitted to the State Bar the following year. He spent 20 years in law practice in Long Beach, becoming senior litigator at the firm that eventually became Riedman, Dalessi, Woods and Dybens. He chaired the Trial Section of the Long Beach Bar Association and served on the association’s board in 1976, and taught in the association’s Trial Clinic.

He was appointed to the Los Angeles Superior Court in 1984 by then-Gov. George Deukmejian, who had practiced with the same firm before becoming state attorney general in 1979. He presided over criminal and civil trials and in the law and motion department, and also served in the Appellate Department, before being elevated to the Court of Appeal in 1988.

His opinions have included Fisher v. San Pedro Peninsula Hospital (1989) 214 Cal.App.3d 590, a leading case on hostile-environment sexual harassment; Roberts v. Los Angeles County Bar Assn. (2003) 105 Cal. App. 4th 604, rejecting a challenge to the County Bar’s judicial evaluations process; Jevne v. Superior Court (2005) 35 Cal.4th 935, holding that the State Bar’s contractual arbitration rules were preempted to the extent they conflicted with rules of the National Association of Securities Dealers governing disputes between brokers and investors; and Kalpoe v. Superior Court (2013) 222 Cal. App. 4th 206, holding that a state law barring recovery of non-economic damages in a defamation suit against a newspaper or broadcaster if the plaintiff fails to make a timely retraction demand is not limited to defendants engaged in the immediate dissemination of news.


http://thewordonpolitics.com/personal-reflections/

Personal Reflections on the End of a Family Journey and the Beginning of a New One
WRITTEN BY: ANDY WOODS MARCH 28, 2015

At the end of this month my Father, Fred Woods, will turn 80. Consequently, he has opted to retire from his position as a California Court of Appeals Justice at the end of the month on his 80th birthday. Being a California jurist is a position that he has held for the last 27 years.1 He was originally appointed to the CA trial court. Then about four years later he was elevated to the California Court of Appeal. He has enjoyed a prolific career on the bench. During his 22 years on the California Court of Appeal he has authored roughly 3100 judicial opinions. Many of his opinions remain influential in the California legal system up until the present day.

 ::snipping3::

I think this whole experience, as well as growing up in his household, has taught me at least three great truths. First, character still counts. At the end of an era character is what most people will remember about you. They may not remember your intellect or the specific views you held on different issues. Rather, what they recall is you and who you are as a human being. Sometimes in the heat of battle it’s easy to want to win an argument. However, in this very process sometimes we end up losing the war because of the way we mistreated and alienated people along the way. It seems that today’s landscape is filled with people who are often more bent on pursuing victory than they are in pursuing justice or discovering truth. However, my father was never that way. While he took solid positions on a host of issues, at the end of the day people still actually liked and respected him.

 ::snipping3::

(http://thewordonpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/The-Woods-Family-1-1024x768.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 12, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
Thanks texasmom. I like that Judge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 12, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
Thanks texasmom. I like that Judge.

I second that!   ::rhino::
 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 13, 2015, 11:23:58 PM
 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 14, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
::HelloKitty::

 :smt006 ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Probably another doc but I may not have time to get it until later today.  

 Case Summary

Please make a note of the Case Number.

Click here to access document images for this case.  
If this link fails, you may go to the Case Document Images site and search using the case number displayed on this page.

Case Number:  BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE, ET AL. VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW, ET AL.
Filing Date:  12/13/2006
Case Type:  Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status:  Dismissed - Other 04/13/2015

Future Hearings

None



Meaning of course it's over - no TRIAL!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 15, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
 ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on April 15, 2015, 05:29:59 PM
  ::MonkeyGavel::   ::justice2nj2::    ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/celebrities/299893801.html

Defamation lawsuit against 'Dr. Phil' dismissed; case involved segment on Natalee Holloway
 Article by: Associated Press
 Updated: April 15, 2015 - 2:50 PM

LOS ANGELES — A defamation lawsuit filed against television host "Dr. Phil" McGraw by two brothers once considered suspects in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has been dismissed.

Court records show the case by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe was tossed out Monday, one week before a trial was scheduled to begin.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Thanks Graceland!  I was hoping there would be an article somewhere!  One final document was recorded on 4/13/15 but as of a little bit ago it still was not available for purchase:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DismissalEnd1_zps65xw8efv.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2015, 06:43:42 PM
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/lawsuit_against_dr_phil_in_nat.html (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/lawsuit_against_dr_phil_in_nat.html)

(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/news_impact/photo/17515137-mmmain.jpg)

Lawsuit against Dr. Phil in Natalee Holloway case dismissed

 By The Associated Press
on April 15, 2015 at 3:50 PM, updated April 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM

   



DR. PHIL SPECIALDr. Phil McGraw with his wife Robin Photo: Paramount Television/CBS (c)2006 CBS Broadcasting Inc. Paramount Television

A defamation lawsuit filed against television host "Dr. Phil" McGraw by two brothers once considered suspects in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has been dismissed.

Court records show the case by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe was tossed out Monday, one week before a trial was scheduled to begin.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 15, 2015, 06:44:31 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2015, 06:46:38 PM
They just don't understand our system  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on April 15, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
They just don't understand our system  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
They just don't understand our system  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2015, 10:11:27 PM
Thanks Graceland!  I was hoping there would be an article somewhere!  One final document was recorded on 4/13/15 but as of a little bit ago it still was not available for purchase:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DismissalEnd1_zps65xw8efv.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Greetings/boots.gif.html) ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 15, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
Thanks Graceland!  I was hoping there would be an article somewhere!  One final document was recorded on 4/13/15 but as of a little bit ago it still was not available for purchase:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/DismissalEnd1_zps65xw8efv.jpg)

 ::MongkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::






I would have given anything to be a fly on Deepak's wall the last couple of weeks.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::donkey3::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
Wonder if whoever in Aruba decided to go after Dr. Phil will now go after Sam Redman aka Roger from Scrux for assisting in wasting time and money by giving them false hope of an easy win over Dr. Phil?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2015, 05:36:26 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/FinalDismissal0413151_zpsovmv0jjg.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on April 16, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Thank you for posting the document, klaas...and thanks to the person who paid for the document!  ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 16, 2015, 10:41:12 PM
THANK-YOU Klass (and our "benefactor")!!
I was hoping they would stick the Kalpoes with ALL the attorney fees, but you can't have it all.
My only regret is that we couldn't get the Kalpoes on the stand under oath.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 16, 2015, 11:50:54 PM
Quote
Dismissal with Prejudice A dismissal with prejudice is a judgment rendered in a lawsuit on its merits that prevents the plaintiff from bringing the same lawsuit against the same defendant in the future. It is a harsh remedy that has the effect of canceling the action so that it can never again be commenced. A dismissal with prejudice is Res Judicata as to every issue litigated in the action.
The possibility of such a dismissal acts as a deterrent to the use of dilatory tactics by a plaintiff who wants to prejudice a defendant's case by unreasonably hindering the disposition of the action from the time of the filing of the action to the actual trial of the issues. It is also designed to minimize, if not eliminate, the congestion of court calendars caused by unnecessary delays in pending cases. Because it is regarded as a drastic remedy, courts grant dismissals with prejudice only in the most egregious cases in response to a motion brought by a defendant or by a court sua sponte or on its own will.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 16, 2015, 11:59:21 PM
I meant to cite source:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dismissal (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dismissal)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 17, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
Thank you for posting the document, klaas...and thanks to the person who paid for the document!  ::justice2nj2::



 ::rhino::
 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 17, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
THANK-YOU Klass (and our "benefactor")!!
I was hoping they would stick the Kalpoes with ALL the attorney fees, but you can't have it all.
My only regret is that we couldn't get the Kalpoes on the stand under oath.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::
 ::buzzbee3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 17, 2015, 10:05:25 AM
Quote
Dismissal with Prejudice A dismissal with prejudice is a judgment rendered in a lawsuit on its merits that prevents the plaintiff from bringing the same lawsuit against the same defendant in the future. It is a harsh remedy that has the effect of canceling the action so that it can never again be commenced. A dismissal with prejudice is Res Judicata as to every issue litigated in the action.
The possibility of such a dismissal acts as a deterrent to the use of dilatory tactics by a plaintiff who wants to prejudice a defendant's case by unreasonably hindering the disposition of the action from the time of the filing of the action to the actual trial of the issues. It is also designed to minimize, if not eliminate, the congestion of court calendars caused by unnecessary delays in pending cases. Because it is regarded as a drastic remedy, courts grant dismissals with prejudice only in the most egregious cases in response to a motion brought by a defendant or by a court sua sponte or on its own will.





 ::snipping3::
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dismissal (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dismissal)


Thank you for sharing your research, Wreck.  Inquiring minds want to know.   ::MonkeyCool:: 

 ::buzzbee3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2015, 01:17:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2015, 11:55:36 PM
How about a stomach turner before bed?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Sore loser.   ::MonkeyTongue::

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lawsuit-dr-phil-natalee-holloway-report-tossed-30343606

Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
I can't tell what happened from a reading of the case action summary but, lawsuit dismissed one week before trial on a motion filed by the attorneys for the plaintiff sounds like a confidential settlement to me.

RADMIL to Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
Could be there was no case. And never was.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2015, 08:30:44 AM
How about a stomach turner before bed?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Sore loser.   ::MonkeyTongue::

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lawsuit-dr-phil-natalee-holloway-report-tossed-30343606

Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
I can't tell what happened from a reading of the case action summary but, lawsuit dismissed one week before trial on a motion filed by the attorneys for the plaintiff sounds like a confidential settlement to me.

RADMIL to Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
Could be there was no case. And never was.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Why would Dr. Phil and CBS settle?

Dr. Phil Won't Pay In Defamation Case Over Natalee Holloway
Posted: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST


Dr. Phil, CBS Gain Advantage in Defamation Lawsuit Over Natalee Holloway Show
March 12, 2014 1:01pm PT by Eriq Gardner



I'm with RADMIL   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 21, 2015, 09:27:48 AM
How about a stomach turner before bed?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Sore loser.   ::MonkeyTongue::

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lawsuit-dr-phil-natalee-holloway-report-tossed-30343606

Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
I can't tell what happened from a reading of the case action summary but, lawsuit dismissed one week before trial on a motion filed by the attorneys for the plaintiff sounds like a confidential settlement to me.

RADMIL to Charlie Ratcliff • 2 days ago
Could be there was no case. And never was.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Why would Dr. Phil and CBS settle?

Dr. Phil Won't Pay In Defamation Case Over Natalee Holloway
Posted: 12/26/2013 8:03 am EST


Dr. Phil, CBS Gain Advantage in Defamation Lawsuit Over Natalee Holloway Show
March 12, 2014 1:01pm PT by Eriq Gardner



I'm with RADMIL   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Count me in with RADMIL too!!  ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::buzzbee3:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 21, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
I could be wrong here, but I assume cases "settled" out of court are not usually dismissed "with prejudice."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on April 22, 2015, 08:41:37 PM
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2w7ogtk.jpg)

Charlie Ratcliff born Nov. 17, 1956 (posts as CharlieRat)
Charlie shares office space with some other dude on Morris Avenue downtown
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charlierat
Member
Joined:    Mon Jan 9th, 2006
Location:    Birmingham, Alabama USA
Posts:    242
Mana:       
 Posted: Tue Dec 12th, 2006 01:09 pm
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My history is kind of like Blenchi's.  I had never posted on any message board anywhere in my life but there was a bulletin board that I checked on a regular basis just for news.  That is aruba-bb.com.  They have a news forum called Aruba Tradewinds Times and I had it bookmarked for a couple of years prior to any of this

Then when the story broke in 2005, I saw that they started a Natalee forum at aruba-bb and I checked it out.  Suffice it to say, what I saw made my blood boil and required me to register and join the fray.  That board shut down their NH forum pretty quickly but somewhere along the line, I got referred to visitaruba.com and started posting there.  Sherry kept that board open until the end of September, 2005 then shut it down for the reasons stated by Blenchi.  I didn't post about the case anywhere at all for about three months.  Then a friend of mine at visitaruba alerted me to Refs and I registered there and re-joined the fray.  From there, I got refered here.
http://securebar.secure-tunnel.com/cgi-bin/nph-freebar.cgi/110110A/http/freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php=3fid=3d3535&forum_id=3d29&highlight=3dScubajap



Seems CharlieRat is now a new member on this site: 
http://nataleehome.proboards54.com
/index.cgi?board=top&action=display&thread=1188566634
Maybe he will feel at home with MIP6 and Reality.

I believe that is gagirl's site.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2305.msg295776#msg295776




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 23, 2015, 10:30:30 AM
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Charlie Ratcliff born Nov. 17, 1956 (posts as CharlieRat)
Charlie shares office space with some other dude on Morris Avenue downtown
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charlierat
Member
Joined:    Mon Jan 9th, 2006
Location:    Birmingham, Alabama USA
Posts:    242
Mana:       
 Posted: Tue Dec 12th, 2006 01:09 pm
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My history is kind of like Blenchi's.  I had never posted on any message board anywhere in my life but there was a bulletin board that I checked on a regular basis just for news.  That is aruba-bb.com.  They have a news forum called Aruba Tradewinds Times and I had it bookmarked for a couple of years prior to any of this

Then when the story broke in 2005, I saw that they started a Natalee forum at aruba-bb and I checked it out.  Suffice it to say, what I saw made my blood boil and required me to register and join the fray.  That board shut down their NH forum pretty quickly but somewhere along the line, I got referred to visitaruba.com and started posting there.  Sherry kept that board open until the end of September, 2005 then shut it down for the reasons stated by Blenchi.  I didn't post about the case anywhere at all for about three months.  Then a friend of mine at visitaruba alerted me to Refs and I registered there and re-joined the fray.  From there, I got refered here.
http://securebar.secure-tunnel.com/cgi-bin/nph-freebar.cgi/110110A/http/freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php=3fid=3d3535&forum_id=3d29&highlight=3dScubajap



Seems CharlieRat is now a new member on this site: 
http://nataleehome.proboards54.com
/index.cgi?board=top&action=display&thread=1188566634
Maybe he will feel at home with MIP6 and Reality.

I believe that is gagirl's site.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2305.msg295776#msg295776



HEAD-SLAP!! ::MonkeyConfused:: :2brickwall: :oops: :smt102 I forgot all about "CharlieRat!"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Neither do I!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CharlieRatTattoo3_zpsd9drcqlt.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 23, 2015, 04:59:54 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Neither do I!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CharlieRatTattoo3_zpsd9drcqlt.jpg)
Charlie Rat looks "right out of the hood."  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2015, 05:23:54 PM
Yeah, he was showing his "gang" signs so I had to give him an appropriate tattoo  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on April 23, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

Remember he went to Beth's book signing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2015, 11:22:46 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

Remember he went to Beth's book signing.


Yes I do (this may have been a bit "snarky" at the time, lol):

Beth was beautiful and gracious as always. 

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/charlieandBeth2_zps7xoejyp0.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on April 23, 2015, 11:43:28 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Neither do I!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CharlieRatTattoo3_zpsd9drcqlt.jpg)
Charlie Rat looks "right out of the hood."  ::MonkeyDevil::

LOL ... His Gang Signs, ROTF ... cuz he b so gangsta!!!

Never has a person's user name ever been more fitting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on April 24, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
Just a thought...................

The Kalpoes have to be REALLY angry now that they lost everything in their case against Dr. Phil, right? Who "caused" all this pain and suffering to them for the last 10 years?? Isn't it now time to exact some revenge themselves? Maybe we should approach the Kalpoes about spilling the beans on Jordan!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2015, 06:35:08 PM
Just a thought...................

The Kalpoes have to be REALLY angry now that they lost everything in their case against Dr. Phil, right? Who "caused" all this pain and suffering to them for the last 10 years?? Isn't it now time to exact some revenge themselves? Maybe we should approach the Kalpoes about spilling the beans on Jordan!

I would not be surprised at all if someone hasn't already thought about that and approached the Kalpoes with an offer (no inside info on this just hoping).  Wouldn't that be great!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-woman-friend-stranded-in-aruba-after-atv-accident/14582135/

Raleigh woman, friend stranded in Aruba after ATV accident
Posted April 14

RALEIGH, N.C. — A Raleigh woman and her friend are finally able to return home after an ATV accident left them stranded at a hospital in Aruba.

Kenya Dukes and Deana Kennedy left for Aruba on Thursday to celebrate Kennedy's 35th birthday.

"We thought we were coming for four days to lay in the sun, but that's just not what happened," Kennedy said.

While in Aruba, the two friends decided to go on an ATV tour, but after a few minutes the adventure turned dangerous.

"We were probably six minutes into the ride when the steering component got stuck," Kennedy said. "I was thrown off. I hit my hip on the ground and I rolled."

Kennedy broke her pelvis and had to undergo emergency surgery.

"What we didn't realize is that I can't get on a plane. I can't sit up," Kennedy said.

According to doctors, Kennedy will need an air ambulance to return home to the U.S. The cost is estimated at $34,000 and an additional $22,000 is needed for the hospital bill.

"Here on the Aruba side they won't accept my insurance," she said.

According to travel agent Nicole Bass, it is not uncommon for travelers to find themselves abroad with unexpected medical expenses.

"Your normal medical insurance doesn't cover you when you leave the country," Bass said.

 ::snipping3::

"Always have travel insurance. Do not leave the country, don't go to Canada, don't go to the Virgin Islands, nowhere without travel insurance," Kennedy said.

Dukes and Kennedy said they will spend Tuesday night in Aruba but plan to arrive back in the U.S. on Wednesday.


(in the video the reporter says they weren't able to leave because they still didn't have the funds)

Hopefully, they're home now! 




http://www.gofundme.com/rn8bkc

BALTIMORE, MD MEDICAL
$9,950 of $20k

Created April 11, 2015
Nicolle Randolph

Hello, my name is Nicolle Randolph and Deana Kennedy is my sister-in-law.  Over the weekend Deana was in a horrific  ATV accident in Aruba which resulted in emergency surgery due to internal injuries.  Our family is reaching out to friends and family for financial support.  In order for Deana to be released from Aruba her hospital bill must addressed and satisfied.  The regulations in Aruba do not accept U.S.  Health Insurance,  please help with whatever you can. 

May God bless you for your prays and support. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Kermit NEVER FORGETS

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Neither do I!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CharlieRatTattoo3_zpsd9drcqlt.jpg)
Charlie Rat looks "right out of the hood."  ::MonkeyDevil::

LOL ... His Gang Signs, ROTF ... cuz he b so gangsta!!!

Never has a person's user name ever been more fitting.

  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 02:07:30 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on April 25, 2015, 02:39:14 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-woman-friend-stranded-in-aruba-after-atv-accident/14582135/

Raleigh woman, friend stranded in Aruba after ATV accident
Posted April 14

RALEIGH, N.C. — A Raleigh woman and her friend are finally able to return home after an ATV accident left them stranded at a hospital in Aruba.

Kenya Dukes and Deana Kennedy left for Aruba on Thursday to celebrate Kennedy's 35th birthday.

"We thought we were coming for four days to lay in the sun, but that's just not what happened," Kennedy said.

While in Aruba, the two friends decided to go on an ATV tour, but after a few minutes the adventure turned dangerous.

"We were probably six minutes into the ride when the steering component got stuck," Kennedy said. "I was thrown off. I hit my hip on the ground and I rolled."

Kennedy broke her pelvis and had to undergo emergency surgery.

"What we didn't realize is that I can't get on a plane. I can't sit up," Kennedy said.

According to doctors, Kennedy will need an air ambulance to return home to the U.S. The cost is estimated at $34,000 and an additional $22,000 is needed for the hospital bill.

"Here on the Aruba side they won't accept my insurance," she said.

According to travel agent Nicole Bass, it is not uncommon for travelers to find themselves abroad with unexpected medical expenses.

"Your normal medical insurance doesn't cover you when you leave the country," Bass said.

 ::snipping3::

"Always have travel insurance. Do not leave the country, don't go to Canada, don't go to the Virgin Islands, nowhere without travel insurance," Kennedy said.

Dukes and Kennedy said they will spend Tuesday night in Aruba but plan to arrive back in the U.S. on Wednesday.


(in the video the reporter says they weren't able to leave because they still didn't have the funds)

Hopefully, they're home now! 




http://www.gofundme.com/rn8bkc

BALTIMORE, MD MEDICAL
$9,950 of $20k

Created April 11, 2015
Nicolle Randolph

Hello, my name is Nicolle Randolph and Deana Kennedy is my sister-in-law.  Over the weekend Deana was in a horrific  ATV accident in Aruba which resulted in emergency surgery due to internal injuries.  Our family is reaching out to friends and family for financial support.  In order for Deana to be released from Aruba her hospital bill must addressed and satisfied.  The regulations in Aruba do not accept U.S.  Health Insurance,  please help with whatever you can. 

May God bless you for your prays and support. 

What Obamacare doesn't cover medical claims in Aruba?  ::MonkeyWink::

So Aruba is not letting these people leave without paying their bill? How are they going to come up with $20K for hospital bills. Obviously, once they leave Aruba, the hospital will have no recourse in ever getting the $'s. So they are captive on Aruba until the bill is paid? REALLY?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-woman-friend-stranded-in-aruba-after-atv-accident/14582135/

Raleigh woman, friend stranded in Aruba after ATV accident
Posted April 14

RALEIGH, N.C. — A Raleigh woman and her friend are finally able to return home after an ATV accident left them stranded at a hospital in Aruba.

Kenya Dukes and Deana Kennedy left for Aruba on Thursday to celebrate Kennedy's 35th birthday.

"We thought we were coming for four days to lay in the sun, but that's just not what happened," Kennedy said.

While in Aruba, the two friends decided to go on an ATV tour, but after a few minutes the adventure turned dangerous.

"We were probably six minutes into the ride when the steering component got stuck," Kennedy said. "I was thrown off. I hit my hip on the ground and I rolled."

Kennedy broke her pelvis and had to undergo emergency surgery.

"What we didn't realize is that I can't get on a plane. I can't sit up," Kennedy said.

According to doctors, Kennedy will need an air ambulance to return home to the U.S. The cost is estimated at $34,000 and an additional $22,000 is needed for the hospital bill.

"Here on the Aruba side they won't accept my insurance," she said.

According to travel agent Nicole Bass, it is not uncommon for travelers to find themselves abroad with unexpected medical expenses.

"Your normal medical insurance doesn't cover you when you leave the country," Bass said.

 ::snipping3::

"Always have travel insurance. Do not leave the country, don't go to Canada, don't go to the Virgin Islands, nowhere without travel insurance," Kennedy said.

Dukes and Kennedy said they will spend Tuesday night in Aruba but plan to arrive back in the U.S. on Wednesday.


(in the video the reporter says they weren't able to leave because they still didn't have the funds)

Hopefully, they're home now! 




http://www.gofundme.com/rn8bkc

BALTIMORE, MD MEDICAL
$9,950 of $20k

Created April 11, 2015
Nicolle Randolph

Hello, my name is Nicolle Randolph and Deana Kennedy is my sister-in-law.  Over the weekend Deana was in a horrific  ATV accident in Aruba which resulted in emergency surgery due to internal injuries.  Our family is reaching out to friends and family for financial support.  In order for Deana to be released from Aruba her hospital bill must addressed and satisfied.  The regulations in Aruba do not accept U.S.  Health Insurance,  please help with whatever you can. 

May God bless you for your prays and support. 

What Obamacare doesn't cover medical claims in Aruba?  ::MonkeyWink::

So Aruba is not letting these people leave without paying their bill? How are they going to come up with $20K for hospital bills. Obviously, once they leave Aruba, the hospital will have no recourse in ever getting the $'s. So they are captive on Aruba until the bill is paid? REALLY?

And how much did extra days in the hospital/hotel etc. cost them because they weren't allowed to leave?

Seems like it could be a vicious cycle to me.  You don't have the money, but the cost is only going up every day?!!!

From what I hear Obamacare doesn't cover most medical claims here either!   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
I think this is an article about the accident.  Pictures at the link.

http://www.awe24.com/20150411/21457/2_Dama_turista_riba_quadracer_seriamente_herida_den_un_accidente_frontal_na

Papiamentu translation:

2 lady tourist on quadracer seriamente injury in one accidente frontal at sabana pound

14 day happen come across, 11 of april 2015 08:38 seccion: incidente

diasabra morning owing to enter informe of one accidente cu person injury at sabana pound, at once owing to dirigi tanto police cu ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu here is deal of one accidente where 2 lady tourist coriendo on one quadracer owing to descend caminda y hour owing to bay lever bek owing to bay till another near of caminda y just at the momentonan ey was come trafico of direccion contrario. the chofer of the car owing to brake y try desvia but the impacto was in-evitable. both lady owing to resulta injury y was throw on the asphalt y kehando of dolor. at arrival of the 2 ambulansnan they owing to atende the damanan y owing to transporta they cu urgencia for hospital.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 04:00:27 PM
I think this says that Greta, Beth, and John Kelly were recently in Aruba filming a special for the 10th anniversary of Natalee's disappearance.

http://www.noticiacla.com/news/2546

Papiamentu translation:

(http://static.noticiacla.com/img_1427086587_245.jpg)

beth holloway at aruba for 10 aniversario desaparicion of his child
posted on 03/23/2015 12:43 am ast | updated on 03/23/2015 1:03 am ast

oranjestad – conocido presentadora of television mericano greta van susteren y his equipo of grabacion for fox news, was at aruba during the week cu owing to happen. motibo of his visit, was for graba one ‘special’ on the of 10 aniversario of desaparicion of natalee holloway. van susteren not owing to come his only, but together cune (aunke not on the same avion) had mother of natalee, esta beth holloway y the advocate. they owing to arrive aruba diabierna y owing to go back merca diadomingo. during the dianan cu owing to happen, they owing to repasa the momentonan of 10 year happen, visit some lugar y haci the respectivo entrevistanan. suseso aboriginal van susteren was one of esnan cu owing to live cu the storia hour cu the la sosode 10 year happen (na mei) y owing to stay on dje for enough time. one year after the la haci one special of 1 hour of ‘e year despues’. the trip here the la opta for rebiba the storia, y recorda cu is 10 year happen cu this owing to sosode, y the impacto cu the had tanto on the family mericano because; the island of aruba. holloway y vd sloot for thing is holloway, the not owing to achieve mucho good fama at aruba debi at declaracionan cu the la haci during his estadia inicial at aruba. this owing to haci cu much aruban not can owing to soporta the person y owing to publicamente percura for let this become conoci. self instant the sospechoso principal of the caso here, joran vd sloot also not owing to stay keto y during curso of the añanan owing to hinca his self in more problem, y because; consecuencia, is sintando one castigo of jail of much year at peru, for asesinato of one lady peruana. but for thing is the caso of aruba self, vd sloot never not owing to wordo sentencia, although the is stay the sospechoso principal. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 04:52:34 PM
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2015/04/11/with-beth-holloway-recently-in-aruba-yes-i-am-still-working-on-that-story/

4/11/15 at 11:52 am

With Beth Holloway recently in Aruba … yes, I am still working on that story

(http://cdn.gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Screen-Shot-2015-04-11-at-10.43.58-AM-562x407.png)

It has been 10 years since Natalee Holloway disappeared.  I went back to Aruba recently to continue to try to find out what happened.  The pics below were taken on my recent trip.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-88aruba.jpg-photo.html

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-525bdbee/turbine/sfl-88aruba.jpg/500/500x281)

Greta Van Susteren cleans up in Aruba Fox News reporter Greta Van Susteren, left, approaches Beth Holloway Twitty, center, mother of missing teen Natalee Holloway, in Oranjestad, Aruba, in this June 22, 2005 photo. Twitty, a 44-year-old speech therapist, has played a major role in making her 18-year-old daughter's disappearance one of the most closely watched news stories in the United States for more than a month. (AP/ Leslie Mazoch)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
This is the best news, I'm so happy for Beth and the joy in her life.  And congratulations to Matt too!   ::MonkeyDance::

Happy tears!   ::MonkeyHeart::

Go read the whole article, it was very hard for me to snip anything so if I didn't snip enough Klaas, please fix it for me.

http://b-metro.com/findingpeace/19751/

(http://b-metro.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Slider-Beth-Holloway.jpg)

Beth Holloway: 10 years after her daughter’s disappearance, Beth Holloway has reclaimed her life.

Written by Andy McWhorter

Photography by Liesa Cole

Over the past decade, Beth Holloway’s path through life has taken the kind of turns that few people will ever be expected to face.

After her daughter Natalee’s disappearance in Aruba in 2005, Holloway became a determined mother who persevered through years of uncertainty in search of answers and justice. She became an impassioned public speaker, spreading her family’s story across the nation to anyone who would listen, in the hopes that it might prevent another family from going through the same ordeal as her own. In 2010, she once again came face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch national who had been the prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance, when he tried to extort thousands of dollars from her before fleeing to Peru, where he killed another young woman.

Given the hardship Holloway and her family have faced since 2005, the terms she uses to describe her life today might be surprising: peaceful, joyful, happy. “I’m in a place where I’m moving onward and upward,” Holloway says. “I’m not ‘over’ anything, because you don’t get over the loss of a loved one, but you do begin to move on. There’s never closure, because it’s never over. But you do begin to find joy and peace and happiness.”

That joy, she says, has not come easy. “When you lose a loved one, you feel like you lose part of your family,” she says. “You do, you lose your family, you lose the life that you once knew and loved. That life is gone. So you’re looking at redefining and rebuilding and reclaiming a new life.” Recovering from Natalee’s disappearance, she says, has been a matter of redefining and rebuilding. It’s taken 10 years and a lot of fight from Holloway to arrive where she is now. But it’s a good place.

Holloway lives in Homewood, Alabama, on the top floor of a luxury apartment building. Warm, antique furniture lines the living room, and pictures of her family are scattered around the room. A large photo of Natalee in her high school dance team outfit occupies a prominent place on the sideboard.

Holloway’s family has changed a good deal over the last 10 years in both good and bad ways. About a year after she returned from Aruba, Holloway and her then-husband Jeb Twitty separated. Since that time, however, her family has started to grow again, thanks in no small part to her son, Matthew. Now 26 years old, Matthew is a 911 operator with a commercial pilot’s license, and he is training for his airframe and powerplant license. Like his mother, Matthew sought comfort in those around him and work he found meaning from in order to endure the loss of a sister and his family’s long absence. “He went through a rough spell, of course, for a few years,” Holloway says. “But he really directed or channeled his energy into aviation. I think that just gave him what he needed between his friends and faith. Friends, faith, and flying. [Those were] his three.”

Matthew is also a brand-new father. Holloway’s first grandchild, a girl named Rylee Ann, was born on Dec. 23, 2014. “It was wonderful,” Holloway says. “I had no idea the love I could have for a grandchild. All my friends that have grandchildren, they’re always talking about their love of them. I love my children, Natalee and Matt, but I didn’t know how else I would feel about a grandchild. But as soon as I met her I thought, ‘Oh. So this is the love that they have for their grandchildren.’ It was beautiful.”

Though Holloway has gone through two divorces, she remained optimistic on that front and indeed has found someone with whom to share her life. “I’ll just say one thing,” she says. “I am engaged, and that’s it. He’d kill me if I said his name, though.”

 ::snipping3::

Altogether, Holloway’s life today looks much different than it did 10 years ago; she says arriving here has not happened on accident. “This is a point in my life where I’ve worked hard to find that happiness and joy, and I’ve done a lot of work over the past 10 years,” she says. That work began in Aruba, just a few short days after her daughter disappeared. The first few years after 2005 were a search for answers more so than a search for happiness; it took a moment of revelation at a small Catholic church in Aruba for Holloway to begin moving forward again after Natalee’s disappearance. Holloway was raised as a Methodist, with a mother who taught her that God is good, and a grandmother who told her, “Lay your burdens at the cross.” On her fourth morning in Aruba, those lessons came into sharper focus for Holloway. She found a taxi and asked the driver to take her somewhere to pray. “He pulled over and there was a large white cross, and he told me to get out of the car, and as I did, I walked to the cross and just fell to the cross on my knees and just started crying and begging and praying to God to give Natalee back,” she says. “I got up, and I went to next cross, repeated my same prayers and dropped to my knees and kept praying and crying and begging for God to give her back.”

After days of searching for her missing daughter, Holloway says she was in unbearable pain. Though she was unfamiliar with the Catholic tradition of the stations of the cross, she instinctively went from cross to cross, each time seeking an answer. Finally, on the fifth or sixth station, she found one. “Complete peace blanketed me, and in that instant somehow I then knew that Natalee was with God, and I knew that he had cared for her through whatever ordeal she had encountered that night, and that’s when I became at peace,” she says. “When my grandmother was always saying, ‘Lay your burdens at the cross,’ I got, at that point, what she was saying. I laid the burden of caring for Natalee at the cross. The work to find out what happened to her had to be done, but the burden was taken from me.”

Holloway spent years pressuring authorities to find answers about Natalee’s disappearance and to bring those she believed responsible to justice. At the same time, she felt another calling. In the first month she spent on the island, Holloway made a promise that she would spend the next decade trying to keep. “I made a pledge on the island of Aruba,” she said. “I made [a] pledge in June 2005 that I would get in front of as many high schools, colleges, and groups of people as I could, and I did. I have taken every opportunity since that date.” Holloway has spoken to tens of thousands of people over the last decade, and though the tone of her message might have evolved as she evolved, the content has remained consistent. “It’s a message of hope, and my definition of hope is that inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage,” she explains. “It’s more than just wishful thinking. It is real that there is light at the end of the tunnel. No matter what you’re trying to find your way through—It could be loss of a loved one, it could be terminal illness, it could be a financial loss. It’s a powerful inspirational message that I share that teaches perseverance and hope and that you can endure.”

 ::snipping3::

Holloway’s path to the present day—the reclaiming of her life—began in 2010, when she confronted Joran van der Sloot for the final time. “Leading up to May of 2010, that’s when all the extortion was going on with Joran,” Holloway says. “So at that point, I was not in a good place, so to speak.”

Van der Sloot contacted Holloway’s representative near the end of March of 2010 and offered to reveal the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000. He received a $25,000 advance and in return provided false information. “Shortly thereafter, the extortion charges and the FBI sting [were] about to go down in Aruba,” Holloway says. “Then all of a sudden, Joran has fled the country. He surfaced in Peru, where he has murdered another young woman, not only the same scenario, but the exact date and the same time that he had murdered Natalee.” On May 30, 2010—five years to the day after Natalee’s disappearance—Van der Sloot strangled 21-year-old Stephany Flores to death in a Lima hotel room. During his trial, Van der Sloot was held in Miguel Castro Castro prison. It was visiting him there that gave Holloway the push to move forward. “I think once I visited Castro Castro, Joran in prison, and was able to walk away from there, it was almost a freeing experience for me to know that it was time now,” she remembers. “Joran was in prison, and this is what I had worked so hard for, for five years. This was what I had wanted in ’05.”

Seeing Van der Sloot behind bars did not bring complete closure—Natalee’s case will always remain open in the United States. It did, however, allow Holloway to start taking her life in a new direction. “It allowed me then to move onward…. I hadn’t found peace and joy and happiness yet—but I began to recognize it and learned how to embrace it, and then I think it just led to place where I am now, which is a good place.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2015, 06:45:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Bmetromagazine/photos/pb.106520659944.-2207520000.1430003331./10150695909229945/?type=3&theater

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 25, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Bmetromagazine/photos/pb.106520659944.-2207520000.1430003331./10150695909229945/?type=3&theater

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Thank you texasmon. Bless the whole Holloway family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on April 25, 2015, 09:04:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 30, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
This is the best news, I'm so happy for Beth and the joy in her life.  And congratulations to Matt too!   ::MonkeyDance::

Happy tears!   ::MonkeyHeart::

Go read the whole article, it was very hard for me to snip anything so if I didn't snip enough Klaas, please fix it for me.

http://b-metro.com/findingpeace/19751/

(http://b-metro.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Slider-Beth-Holloway.jpg)

Beth Holloway: 10 years after her daughter’s disappearance, Beth Holloway has reclaimed her life.

Written by Andy McWhorter

Photography by Liesa Cole

Over the past decade, Beth Holloway’s path through life has taken the kind of turns that few people will ever be expected to face.

After her daughter Natalee’s disappearance in Aruba in 2005, Holloway became a determined mother who persevered through years of uncertainty in search of answers and justice. She became an impassioned public speaker, spreading her family’s story across the nation to anyone who would listen, in the hopes that it might prevent another family from going through the same ordeal as her own. In 2010, she once again came face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch national who had been the prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance, when he tried to extort thousands of dollars from her before fleeing to Peru, where he killed another young woman.

Given the hardship Holloway and her family have faced since 2005, the terms she uses to describe her life today might be surprising: peaceful, joyful, happy. “I’m in a place where I’m moving onward and upward,” Holloway says. “I’m not ‘over’ anything, because you don’t get over the loss of a loved one, but you do begin to move on. There’s never closure, because it’s never over. But you do begin to find joy and peace and happiness.”

That joy, she says, has not come easy. “When you lose a loved one, you feel like you lose part of your family,” she says. “You do, you lose your family, you lose the life that you once knew and loved. That life is gone. So you’re looking at redefining and rebuilding and reclaiming a new life.” Recovering from Natalee’s disappearance, she says, has been a matter of redefining and rebuilding. It’s taken 10 years and a lot of fight from Holloway to arrive where she is now. But it’s a good place.

Holloway lives in Homewood, Alabama, on the top floor of a luxury apartment building. Warm, antique furniture lines the living room, and pictures of her family are scattered around the room. A large photo of Natalee in her high school dance team outfit occupies a prominent place on the sideboard.

Holloway’s family has changed a good deal over the last 10 years in both good and bad ways. About a year after she returned from Aruba, Holloway and her then-husband Jeb Twitty separated. Since that time, however, her family has started to grow again, thanks in no small part to her son, Matthew. Now 26 years old, Matthew is a 911 operator with a commercial pilot’s license, and he is training for his airframe and powerplant license. Like his mother, Matthew sought comfort in those around him and work he found meaning from in order to endure the loss of a sister and his family’s long absence. “He went through a rough spell, of course, for a few years,” Holloway says. “But he really directed or channeled his energy into aviation. I think that just gave him what he needed between his friends and faith. Friends, faith, and flying. [Those were] his three.”

Matthew is also a brand-new father. Holloway’s first grandchild, a girl named Rylee Ann, was born on Dec. 23, 2014. “It was wonderful,” Holloway says. “I had no idea the love I could have for a grandchild. All my friends that have grandchildren, they’re always talking about their love of them. I love my children, Natalee and Matt, but I didn’t know how else I would feel about a grandchild. But as soon as I met her I thought, ‘Oh. So this is the love that they have for their grandchildren.’ It was beautiful.”

Though Holloway has gone through two divorces, she remained optimistic on that front and indeed has found someone with whom to share her life. “I’ll just say one thing,” she says. “I am engaged, and that’s it. He’d kill me if I said his name, though.”

 ::snipping3::

Altogether, Holloway’s life today looks much different than it did 10 years ago; she says arriving here has not happened on accident. “This is a point in my life where I’ve worked hard to find that happiness and joy, and I’ve done a lot of work over the past 10 years,” she says. That work began in Aruba, just a few short days after her daughter disappeared. The first few years after 2005 were a search for answers more so than a search for happiness; it took a moment of revelation at a small Catholic church in Aruba for Holloway to begin moving forward again after Natalee’s disappearance. Holloway was raised as a Methodist, with a mother who taught her that God is good, and a grandmother who told her, “Lay your burdens at the cross.” On her fourth morning in Aruba, those lessons came into sharper focus for Holloway. She found a taxi and asked the driver to take her somewhere to pray. “He pulled over and there was a large white cross, and he told me to get out of the car, and as I did, I walked to the cross and just fell to the cross on my knees and just started crying and begging and praying to God to give Natalee back,” she says. “I got up, and I went to next cross, repeated my same prayers and dropped to my knees and kept praying and crying and begging for God to give her back.”

After days of searching for her missing daughter, Holloway says she was in unbearable pain. Though she was unfamiliar with the Catholic tradition of the stations of the cross, she instinctively went from cross to cross, each time seeking an answer. Finally, on the fifth or sixth station, she found one. “Complete peace blanketed me, and in that instant somehow I then knew that Natalee was with God, and I knew that he had cared for her through whatever ordeal she had encountered that night, and that’s when I became at peace,” she says. “When my grandmother was always saying, ‘Lay your burdens at the cross,’ I got, at that point, what she was saying. I laid the burden of caring for Natalee at the cross. The work to find out what happened to her had to be done, but the burden was taken from me.”

Holloway spent years pressuring authorities to find answers about Natalee’s disappearance and to bring those she believed responsible to justice. At the same time, she felt another calling. In the first month she spent on the island, Holloway made a promise that she would spend the next decade trying to keep. “I made a pledge on the island of Aruba,” she said. “I made [a] pledge in June 2005 that I would get in front of as many high schools, colleges, and groups of people as I could, and I did. I have taken every opportunity since that date.” Holloway has spoken to tens of thousands of people over the last decade, and though the tone of her message might have evolved as she evolved, the content has remained consistent. “It’s a message of hope, and my definition of hope is that inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage,” she explains. “It’s more than just wishful thinking. It is real that there is light at the end of the tunnel. No matter what you’re trying to find your way through—It could be loss of a loved one, it could be terminal illness, it could be a financial loss. It’s a powerful inspirational message that I share that teaches perseverance and hope and that you can endure.”

 ::snipping3::

Holloway’s path to the present day—the reclaiming of her life—began in 2010, when she confronted Joran van der Sloot for the final time. “Leading up to May of 2010, that’s when all the extortion was going on with Joran,” Holloway says. “So at that point, I was not in a good place, so to speak.”

Van der Sloot contacted Holloway’s representative near the end of March of 2010 and offered to reveal the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000. He received a $25,000 advance and in return provided false information. “Shortly thereafter, the extortion charges and the FBI sting [were] about to go down in Aruba,” Holloway says. “Then all of a sudden, Joran has fled the country. He surfaced in Peru, where he has murdered another young woman, not only the same scenario, but the exact date and the same time that he had murdered Natalee.” On May 30, 2010—five years to the day after Natalee’s disappearance—Van der Sloot strangled 21-year-old Stephany Flores to death in a Lima hotel room. During his trial, Van der Sloot was held in Miguel Castro Castro prison. It was visiting him there that gave Holloway the push to move forward. “I think once I visited Castro Castro, Joran in prison, and was able to walk away from there, it was almost a freeing experience for me to know that it was time now,” she remembers. “Joran was in prison, and this is what I had worked so hard for, for five years. This was what I had wanted in ’05.”

Seeing Van der Sloot behind bars did not bring complete closure—Natalee’s case will always remain open in the United States. It did, however, allow Holloway to start taking her life in a new direction. “It allowed me then to move onward…. I hadn’t found peace and joy and happiness yet—but I began to recognize it and learned how to embrace it, and then I think it just led to place where I am now, which is a good place.”


Wow, what a beautiful woman.  Last Sunday as we drove through Birmingham I had to look over at Homewood and think of Natalee.  Then it dawned on me that it has been 10 years since Natalee was murdered.  I am so happy for Matt, he has a daughter and Beth and Dave have a granddaughter.  AND Beth is engaged.  I am just happy for her and I know Natalee would be also.



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Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
It's been a while since we've heard anything out of Joran.   ::boxjoran::

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/08/25/peru-moves-van-der-sloot-to-tougher-prison/

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The length of Van der Sloot's stay in Challapalca will depend on his behavior, Inpe officials said.

If he behaves properly he could be transferred soon to another prison with better accommodations, such as are available at Piedras Gordas.



http://radioondaazul.com/?c=noticia&id=49770

Google translation:

Challapalca, the country's most feared criminal.
Posted on Tuesday May 5, 2015 at 06:51A

A 4800 meters 19 years ago was built in an arid land on the border of Puno and Tacna, one of the most feared criminal in the country. Challapalca It was former President Alberto Fujimori, who gave the green light to build this prison maximum security with the idea of locking up the most dangerous criminals in the country. Thus, the August 8, 1996 began to rise the walls of the prison. The following year, Challapalca opened. At that time, he received 50 prisoners referred from the criminal La Capilla in Juliaca and Yanamayo in Puno. Gradually more were arriving inmates. It is in November last year that this enclosure reached the maximum number of prisoners, 148 in total. For the first time, almost able to cover their capacity was designed for 150 inmates. In the last inspection of the Ombudsman of Puno, on 20 March last, it was found that even today Challapalca welcomes 122 inmates under appeal special regime closed. Complaints have always been a constant and this time was no exception. That day, 15 inmates passed a medical evaluation and as always some of these expressed their complaints to the Commissioner of the Public Defender, Mercedes Pilco. "You can not live in these conditions, "expressed to Pilco and requested his transfer to another prison. "Almost always ask the same thing, do not want to be locked up there," said Pilco.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/missing-kayaker-case-fiancee/

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Graswald’s new legal team also includes Forensic Scientist Michael Archer who worked on the infamous Joran Van Der Sloot case in Aruba.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-12-08-3066205443_x.htm

(http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20071208/3066205443_Aruba_Missing_Teen_x-large.jpg)

Paulus van der Sloot, forensic scientist Michael Archer, Anita van der Sloot and attorney Joseph Tacopina are seen early Friday, Dec. 7, 2007, before the release of Joran van der Sloot, in Oranjestad, Aruba. A judge in Aruba ordered the release Friday of the last of three suspects re-arrested last month in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, ruling the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding him. (AP Photo/Michael Archer)


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Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 10:44:43 AM
Did the Globe get an exclusive update from Challapalca on how Joran's feeling about getting away with it these days?    ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyWink::

He could have had it made in the shade in his custom cell in Aruba, hell he'd probably already be out by now!    ::boxjoran::

He didn't get away with anything.  For the five years he did walk free and continually cause more pain for Natalee's family, he didn't do it without having to look over his shoulder.  Beth didn't let him get away with it, and we didn't either! 

Stephany Flores should have never met Joran.  Period.  Her senseless brutal murder is and forever will be on the hands of ALL who protected Joran from prosecution in Natalee's case; and Aruba will always have the dark cloud of Natalee's injustice hanging over it. 

JMO

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!   ::justice2nj2::

http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2015/natalee-holloway-bombshell-new-evidence-eyewitness-breaks-silence-joran-van-der-sloot-got-away-with-murder-globe/

(http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/globe-natalee-holloway.jpg)

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Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and murder has haunted the world and media since 2005. The messy investigation in to the 18 year old’s disappearance and death dealt by the hands of Aruba native Joran van der Sloot was even turned into a made-for-TV movie. Although Natalee’s body was never actually found – the investigation went on for several years and Joran was arrested on more than one occasion and then released due to lack of evidence. According to a new report – some evidence has been uncovered that could finally lead to justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.

The May 18 cover of GLOBE Magazine features the familiar high-school photo of Natalee Holloway that we have seen plastered on the news over the past ten years. The headline reveals, “Natalee Holloway Bombshell Evidence: 10 Years Later Eyewitness Breaks Silence.” The GLOBE cover also includes a photo of killer Joran van der Sloot and teases an in-depth story on “how he got away with murder.” If you followed Natalee’s case over the years – then you have to pick up a copy of GLOBE this week as soon as it hits newsstands!

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Have you followed the Natalee Holloway case over the past decade? What do you think the eyewitness that has come forward has to say? Will we finally know what happened to Holloway in Aruba back in 2005? Let us know what you think in the comments below and don’t forget to pick up this week’s edition of GLOBE Magazine as soon as it hits newsstands.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
I want to know who this supposed "eye witness" is?  Wonder how much the Globe paid this supposed "eye witness"?  Since the Kalpoes and Aruba didn't get any money out of Dr. Phil and CBS (or at least not that we know of), is this Aruba's way of sucking more dollars out of Natalee's murder/death?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
I want to know who this supposed "eye witness" is?  Wonder how much the Globe paid this supposed "eye witness"?  Since the Kalpoes and Aruba didn't get any money out of Dr. Phil and CBS (or at least not that we know of), is this Aruba's way of sucking more dollars out of Natalee's murder/death?  ::MonkeyNoNo::
It sounds like it is going to be the drug dealer that claims he witnessed it happening at the Marriott but was afraid to come out. The last story was Dave was wanting to go and check it out. Natalee may have been there at first, but I still think she ended up in that crab cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
I want to know who this supposed "eye witness" is?  Wonder how much the Globe paid this supposed "eye witness"?  Since the Kalpoes and Aruba didn't get any money out of Dr. Phil and CBS (or at least not that we know of), is this Aruba's way of sucking more dollars out of Natalee's murder/death?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The picture on the cover is of the same guy that has been in the news since about February iirc. 

Same guy from Diario in 2010.

The timing of his contacting Natalee's family, and going to Mos with his "theory" is interesting to me. 

The Persistence left Aruba March 3, 2008.

Is there anything documented about this guy or his theory before this?

Hinky, imo.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



It would be interesting to know if he told Dave Holloway he was a WITNESS in 2008, or did he present it as his theory as he did to Diario in 2010?



http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mi-opinion-encuanto-e-lugar-unda-natalee-ta-dera/

Papiamentu and Google translations:

my opinion encuanto the lugar where natalee is bury publication: saturday, 12 june 2010. categoria: general caso_jong_natalee_1remitido notice of diario: the relato here owing to worde ricibi of one person dutch, residencia at ground frieu. past owing to come is follow the storia of the caso here of much time, haciendo anotacion, lesando complete documento, y the self owing to saca one teoria on thing the is think, cu kizas owing to socede, y where natalee is bury. at 2008 past owing to even come till aruba for so present his teoria at ministerio publico, because; also at autoridad mericano. but till still, the is feel cu none person owing to haci caso cu his teoria. now the is trece for daily paper, for so people self read this y saca they conclusion.

Bon Dia,

The search for the body of Natalee Holloway is characterized given by one important: the blind spot!

There is too much and Telang the bizarre and cruel lies of Joran listened and it seems no one has used the healthy common sense.

While there are many complex scenarios were created, the solution to this mystery is so simple and all those years was her remains literally right under your noses.

As I then right after the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries to him and was declared two detectives Almere Joran's "confession" a big distraction and played Joran and Patrick cahoots.

Recently, the latter indeed confirmed by a study of Joran himself, but his last real swamp story however is as usual the biggest hogwash.

In the months of March and April 2008, I had arranged telephone contact with the parents of Natalee, especially with Dave Holloway, since he had been working on the actual searches on Aruba.

Then he told about a nasty odor that hung for about two weeks around the construction site of the Marriott, this for me was the reason to investigate this further me.

I contacted dr.Jantz of the "Body Farm" in Knoxville and gave him the necessary information needed to determine the time when her body was consumed.

I gave him the day and night temperature of Aruba in June, her body weight, she had to swimwear, was tucked away somewhere, but not buried!

It's an important, busy person and I just a "nobody", but he gave me the day after its conclusion about two weeks!

That was my reason to go deeper into the matter excavated and gradually came more confirmations of my theory.

Ironically it Joran itself is enough that in his book me two very important clues!

Under item 4 of the overview map of Aruba reads: "The Marriott hotel where Natalee was staying" when everyone knows that she stayed at the Holiday Inn (!).

And at p. 50, section "Girlfriends" he calls one Jillian, where he has had with courtship and a half years and she is the daughter of someone involved in the construction of the Marriott.

The father of Natalee wrote about a key found in the car of Deepak, who claimed that it was his mother, but before that could be verified lost one policeman key and then everyone forgot about its existence.

It was now so ready for me like a lump of what was going in the stem and therefore I asked in mid-May 2008 Chief Moss to take action and "to launch an investigation on the former site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

But what my surprise joking when he claimed that he be sent my mail, which includes my complete theory, with drawings and all, could not open because it was one PDF document!?

As he to obtain a search warrant with one well-substantiated story to the court commissioner must knock, and he had not, his proposal to ask the Marriott to participate voluntarily in the study.

The same day I had Marriott's manager on the line, and despite my assurance that the entire viewing operation would proceed very discreet and there's a minimal damage would be caused to the hotel, he introduced himself hard on and I got the brush-off .

Also, my request to Mr Moss for copies of the drawings were not honored, there was absolutely no understanding and cooperation.

My disappointment was great, but because I do not give up quickly when I decided to do it my way and vijtien months later I visited late August 2009 Aruba and went right along with the DOW to take pictures of the drawings of the Marriott.

With diving, however, I began to suffer from one perforated eardrum and therefore ill and was only back in the Netherlands I could quietly investigate these drawings and 7 September 2009 I thought ninety percent certain to know where the remains of Natalee was hidden.

Now this sounds very presumptuous, so let me therefore first set the record one glance, then my theory and then you can decide for yourself whether it really holds water if I'm one big dreamer.
 
FACTS

Joran suffered from behavioral disorders (tantrums, steal, drink and gambling) and ran for it with a psychiatrist.

He founded one site that incited violence and rape, which incidentally just after the disappearance of Natalee was quickly lifted.

When Joran and Natalee were dropped then nobody has seen them together, which is strange,
because of the 'n festival there were more people in the early hours on the beach present than normal.

The radar has determined that night not a single maritime activity.

Joran has neither the police nor the ambulance called.

He had just after her disappearance scratches on his face.

His shoes had disappeared.

When he visited came home in the early morning he scribbled one porn site, despite the fact that the same day he "had one exam.

All the accomplices designated by Joran denied by Microsoft.

Joran had 1.5 years of courtship with the daughter of someone who was involved in the construction of the Marriott.

There was a key found in the car of Deepak, which was later lost, however.

Shortly after her disappearance appeared on the site of "scared monkeys" messages from one Shango, with all sorts of cryptic text and one of them was:

"Why did not bring his Lordship the key found in the car"

There was a period of two weeks' n dirty stench around the construction site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

There's never sought, because at night a lock sitting on the fence.

Dave Holloway told me that daytime was a "short-cut" between the parking lot of the Marriott and the Holiday Inn.
 
Joran says in the "secret" rapture of Peter R. de Vries two remarkable things:

"If they find her, I'm the dick" which even Patrick bevreemt because he responds by saying:

"She's totally destroyed" and indeed the sea knew much, if not all traces and later stoned he stares ahead, he says:

"They'll never find her ......... I .denk"

He has his own dog topped with 'n' paint-ballgun ".

Around the Marriott time were many dog ​​carcasses found.

Without help, can anyone corpse up to two hundred meters fresh hoot.

Despite intensive searches with sonar at sea, on land with dogs and prods, in the caves, the lime kilns, draining lakes and aerial photos of F-16s Natalee remained all these years untraceable.
 
As it 's good detective befits I also made speculations and moved myself in the position of Joran.
 
Here is my theory of what has happened that fateful night on 30 May 2005:
 
Joran has his eye on Natalee, but it is not the standard amorous adolescent who feels butterflies in his stomach.

No, he's the blow that really not normal contact with women is maintained and is purely on sex and in fact he can only get a girl because most of feel that he is criminally insane.

He agreed with Natalee on Carlos'n Charlie's, and performs its slow drunk, so she later when he gets the chance to strike is not on guard.
 
Around closing Carlos'n Charlie's emptied and searched everyone transportation to their hotels.

Joran Natalee separated from her group and suggested to take a taxi.

Because taxis in Aruba all look different, it was a snap to get her back to the car of Deepak.

They drove to the California Lighthouse, Natalee wanted to see sharks, but they did not stop for and eventually drove them back and Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the parking lot of the Marriott again.

Joran suggested one "short-cut" to take, walked to the fence around the construction site and opening it ... with one key (!)
To their right is the Marriott Aruba Surf Club Phase 3, its construction already finished and only needs to be finished and left a row of containers.

Joran proposes to go star gazing and Natalee's remark that there is already a roof on the hotel is right, then he points to one building at the far end of the site.

If you have the floor plan of the hotel on the Google Earth satellite image of June 22, 2005 explains, you see that this building will be the beginning of the emergency stairwell # 3 of "The Spyglass Tower".

They walk in, climb on the landing, go up the stairs to the first floor and steps in a "half" room, which later would become the space behind the elevators.

They lie down on the floor together in love and gazing at the starry sky and everything is nice and peaceful.

But the true nature of someone coming adjust upwards if there are no witnesses, because out of nowhere there's that awful change, it is a beast, because suddenly Joran Natalee brutally raped and then break her neck!

He then takes her in his arms and running down the stairs and puts her on the landing.

He jumps down, pulls her out of the overflow in a fire grip and smacks her with a twist on the ground.

Then he pushes the sand away in the crawl space and pulls Natalee at her feet inside.

He crawls to the end of the room and packed with sand the crack closed.

His shoes, which sits on blood, kicks it out and leave it on the spot behind.

He squeezes out again and again, he then makes the crack with sand close and then runs smiling, barefoot into the night.
 
I have this information to the Diario passed, because I just think that the Arubans entitled to it!

Through that spirit sick Joran and eight actual boycott then, thanks for all your help, the whole island has namely unnecessary and unjustified much damage.
 
Because I by i.a. not taken seriously and they do not appreciate my offer knowledge and services, I hereby leave the Aruban people judge the credibility of my theory.

Hopefully this tip with this black chapter can finally be closed and Aruba weather really One Happy Island!
    
Jurriën de Jong
Hulanda





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
I agree wreck, if she was there; she was moved! 

WHY have they never said who was in that cage.  They know.

Every time I think about all of this it just makes me furious.

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2015, 03:21:13 PM
"Shango!"
While I will always doubt that there was someone who knew all the truth and was cryptically giving us all the answers in code/riddles, I do believe it someone on the island with SOME information that got caught up and stated to embellish with theories. We shouldn't discount EVERYTHING they said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
Should be staRted to embellish


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
An appeal --
It has been 10 years (sad and unbelievable) - there are only a handful of us left commenting here (ALL responsible people). I would like to ask Red to allow us the trust to be able to "edit" our posts. That doesn't mean we should be able to go back and CHANGE old posts, only to be able to correct typos within a reasonable time after posting. thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2015, 07:04:26 PM
An appeal --
It has been 10 years (sad and unbelievable) - there are only a handful of us left commenting here (ALL responsible people). I would like to ask Red to allow us the trust to be able to "edit" our posts. That doesn't mean we should be able to go back and CHANGE old posts, only to be able to correct typos within a reasonable time after posting. thanks!

I think I can do that.  Give me a bit and by tomorrow, it will be done!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 11:14:46 PM
An appeal --
It has been 10 years (sad and unbelievable) - there are only a handful of us left commenting here (ALL responsible people). I would like to ask Red to allow us the trust to be able to "edit" our posts. That doesn't mean we should be able to go back and CHANGE old posts, only to be able to correct typos within a reasonable time after posting. thanks!

I think I can do that.  Give me a bit and by tomorrow, it will be done!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance::  Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And thanks for asking, wreck!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2015, 11:23:00 PM
"Shango!"
While I will always doubt that there was someone who knew all the truth and was cryptically giving us all the answers in code/riddles, I do believe it someone on the island with SOME information that got caught up and stated to embellish with theories. We shouldn't discount EVERYTHING they said.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2015, 11:26:45 PM
TM - you should be able to edit your own post now.  Let me know if you can't.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2015, 12:34:11 AM
TM - you should be able to edit your own post now.  Let me know if you can't.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2015, 12:40:13 AM
I don't see an edit button yet.  I'll try again in the morning, maybe after the update?

I'm so excited!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Edit to add: I see it now, and this is my test run!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyBike::

Thank you Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
Took a little figuring out but I think I have it fixed now so that everyone can modify their own posts on all boards except a few.  I still am not allowing modification in the Natalee Holloway Important Case Documents and in the Forum Rules area.  If you are in a normal thread and can't modify, let me know.  But I think it's ok now.

Thanks Wreck for the suggestion.  I agree, it's time  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2015, 02:24:17 PM


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 10, 2015, 02:51:31 PM
Thanks, Klaas!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 10, 2015, 04:18:13 PM
Oh, and Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms out there!!  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2015, 05:08:08 PM
Thanks, Klaas!! ::MonkeyCool::

You're very welcome Wreck.  Sometimes I forget about things and that's something that I hadn't thought about in some time.  The change is long over due and I'm glad you brought it up!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 11, 2015, 09:10:37 PM
Here is a link I think TM was referencing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077481/Natalee-Holloway-s-father-returns-Aruba-looking-clues-ten-years-disappearance-new-witness-comes-forward.html

"Ten years after Natalee Holloway disappeared, new witness comes forward and the student's father returns to Aruba looking for clues"


Didn't Dave have Natalee declaring legally dead?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 11, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Oh, and thanks for the modify button.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 11, 2015, 11:40:47 PM
If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be traveling on now
'Cause there's too many places I've got to see.


::MonkeyAngel::


KEEPTHEFAITH



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 11, 2015, 11:57:47 PM
Here is a link I think TM was referencing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077481/Natalee-Holloway-s-father-returns-Aruba-looking-clues-ten-years-disappearance-new-witness-comes-forward.html

"Ten years after Natalee Holloway disappeared, new witness comes forward and the student's father returns to Aruba looking for clues"


Didn't Dave have Natalee declaring legally dead?

I was stunned to see this online tonight. If true, even if this witness was doing something illegal that night, how could he have waited so long to come forward?? Was anyone able to catch the feature on Inside Edition??

Ten long years this witness waited, ten years of agony for this family......



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 12, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
Hello all!  I am trying to catch up on this new info and "new witness". I knew my monkey friends would still be on top of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 12, 2015, 12:12:42 PM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/5ezy12.jpg)
WITNESS

You can watch Dave Holloway returning to Aruba here.
TJ Ward is with him and a search dog.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/natalee-holloway-new-lead_n_7262438.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 12, 2015, 12:16:58 PM
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/1572nvo.jpg)

Dave and TJ Ward back in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
“I saw Natalee Holloway on the last night she was alive. I was the eyewitness,” Jurrien de Jong told Inside Edition. "I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction. In about five minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms, and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor, and then he made an opening in a crawl space…I knew she was dead.” ::snipping3::


De Jong told the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper earlier this year that he didn't come forward sooner as he was involved in illegal drug activity at the time, and did not want to go to the police.

Eric Olthof, Aruba's prosecutor, told Inside Edition he was looking into the claims and expected his investigation would take up to two months.

Natalee Holloway disappeared on May 30, 2005 while celebrating her high school graduation in Aruba with friends. Witnesses say she was seen leaving a club with van der Sloot, who was 17 at the time.

Van der Sloot is currently in prison in Peru, where he is serving a 28-year sentence for the 2010 murder of Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room. Once his sentence is complete, he will be extradited to the United States, where he will face charges of extorting and defrauding Holloway's mother.

There have been a number of supposed leads in the case over the years, including conflicting statements from van der Sloot himself, who was arrested twice but never charged. Van der Sloot has claimed to have left Natalee alone and drunk on a beach; he was also caught on hidden camera apparently confessing to the killing, and told Fox News that he sold her into slavery.

The case, however, remains unsolved. ::snipping3::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/natalee-holloway-new-lead_n_7262438.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/5ezy12.jpg)
WITNESS

You can watch Dave Holloway returning to Aruba here.
TJ Ward is with him and a search dog.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/natalee-holloway-new-lead_n_7262438.html

So this is the  Witnesses  Jurrien de Jong
what do we know about him?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2015, 03:02:59 PM
A man claiming to be a witness to Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance came forward recently to help with the cold case. Jurrien de Jong, a 59-year-old Dutch man, told Inside Edition he watched Joran van der Sloot, the primary suspect in Holloway's case, carry her body in Aruba 10 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-jurrien-de-jong-natalee-holloway-witness-says-he-saw-joran-van-der-sloot-body-1918275


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2015, 03:31:53 PM
Jurrien de Jong, a 59-year-old Dutch man, told Inside Edition he watched Joran van der Sloot, the primary suspect in Holloway's case, carry her body in Aruba 10 years ago.

 He was questioned, let go and later imprisoned for an unrelated murder. Holloway's body was never found.

De Jong told the Algemeen Dagblad that Holloway's remains are hidden in a crawl space at the Marriott Hotel. He said he didn't get involved in the case before now because he'd been involved in drug-related activity when he saw van der Sloot and Holloway.

De Jong has remained interested in the case from afar, the NL Times reported. In the past 10 years, he has flown to Aruba three times, testified and passed anonymous messages to investigators. A Twitter account registered under his name shows 19 tweets all about the case, and he's started circulating an online petition calling for prosecutors to look into his story.

remains are hidden in a crawl space at the Marriott Hotel
Is that why they were so protective about the Marriott?


 

The Dutch man recently began working with Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, who said he remembered smelling decay when he visited the Marriott site. Holloway arranged for de Jong to meet with Aruban authorities. The officials found his story "implausible" at the time but have since announced they're reviewing his claims, the NL Times reported. This process could take up to two months.

"I always thought the answer was right around the corner," Dave Holloway told the Huffington Post. "Here we are nearly 10 years later and we still don't know."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 12, 2015, 04:22:45 PM
Photo source: http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Xg2HrHoJ.Dc

(http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif)

Jurrien de Jong
FACEBOOK

https://www.facebook.com/jurrien.dejong.75
'Spyglass Tower' of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club, where for all those years the body of Natalee Holloway is hidden."

OH LOOKY HIS FRIENDS are:

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
STEPH WATTS
SANDRA LANDMAN
Willam Cromvoirt





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 12, 2015, 04:30:19 PM
Photo: View from our balcony in the Spyglass Tower.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g147249-d299788-i96014344-Marriott_s_Aruba_Surf_Club-Palm_Eagle_Beach_Aruba.html

(http://cdn.redweek.com/photos/full/7/5/9/75985.jpg)
Spyglass Tower is the L shaped building on right.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 12, 2015, 04:46:15 PM

1998 - General Manger of Marriott Hotel was Scott Ringer
2005 - Genreal Manager of Marriott Hotel is Richard Zeolla
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=602&PHPSESSID=f76d3378238f33ee2c7d4092f4000c9c


Richard Zeolla was the General Manager at Bucharest before coming to Aruba:
 Bucharest Marriott Grand Hotel
Richard Zeolla, General Manager
Tel: (40-1) 411-9375
Fax: (40-1) 411-2972
E-mail: rick.zeolla@marriott.com

http://members.tripod.com/~pkloos/romania.html
______________________________________________________________
Rick Zeolla has been appointed General Manager of the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino. Most recently, he was General Manager of the Bucharest Marriott.
Also at the Aruba Marriott, Pasquale Strocchia has been appointed Director of Sales and Marketing. Strocchia previously was Market Director of Group and Travel Industry Sales for Marriott International Offshore Resorts.

http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4016881.search?query=richard+zeolla+aruba
and here it is announced:
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_3rd/Aug03_BoutiqueSearch.html

Board of Directors Meeting HOTELS IN ARUBA:
Directors:
Alfred Thompson, CARIMAR BEACH CLUB, Anguilla
Robert Sherman, CURTAIN BLUFF RESORT, Antigua – and Chairman for Caribbean Hotel Foundation
Astrid Muller, DIVI ARUBA PHOENIX BEACH RESORT, Aruba
Edgar Roelofs, MANCHEBO BEACH RESORT & SPA, Aruba
Rob Smith, WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT & CASINO, Aruba
Rick Zeolla, ARUBA MARRIOTT RESORT & STELLARIS CASINO, Aruba
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:FFPVJkLq3WYJ:www.caribbeanhotels.org/DOCSclosed/Minutes/BODMinutes0605.pdf+Richard+Zeolla+Aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=15&client=firefox-a


Wyndham Aruba Resort - Alfonso Riveroll owner
Marriott General Manager - Rick Zeolla (is also on the AHATA board
as treasurer)

Divi Beach Resort - Alex Nieuwmeyer
Hyatt Regency - Scott Allen
Occidental Resort - Werner Hein

ANTONIO CARLO AND MARLENE PURCELL - assisted the election proccess!
Jorge Pesquera is AHATA President and CEO


_______________________________________________________________
Many kudos to Mark [Purcell] at the Marriott for assisting us with our room request, ensuring every day of our stay at the hotel was wonderful, and for having dinner with us our last night and introducing us to his wife, Marlene, as well as Salt & Pepper restaurant - one of our new favorites!
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/trip-reports/2001/susan/index.html


Interstate Hotels & Resorts, Inc. Promotes Mark Purcell
and Melissa Thompson to Vice President
Jill Kallmeyer Joins Company as VP, Organization
Development and Learning

ARLINGTON, Va., December 1, 2003 — Interstate Hotels & Resorts (NYSE: IHR) announced the promotions of Mark Purcell to vice president, acquisitions and development, and Melissa Thompson to vice president, corporate communications. 
Mark Purcell

<snipped>
Mark Purcell joined Interstate in 1988 as an accounting manager and gained additional financial experience in a number of related positions, culminating in director of business development.  In his new position as vice president, business development and feasibility, he will be responsible for sourcing and pursuing hotel management and acquisition opportunities.  “Mark has a proven record of success with our development and acquisitions group,” Jorns explained.  “His experience and contacts will be invaluable as we continue to expand our acquisition activities.”

He holds a bachelor’s degree from St. Bonaventure University. 

http://hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_4th/Dec03_InterstateVPs.html
_______________________________________________________________________
St. Bonaventure University is in NY

Mark S Purcell - (540) 342-6275 - 2604 Fairway Dr SW, Roanoke, VA 24015
* Freddy works at the Campion Bar at Marriott Hotel
* Valentjin parties at Marriott Hotel
* Mark Purcell works at Marriott Hotel and posts online as MIP6, he and Julia Renfro belong to IFA (International Friends of Aruba).

* Mark Purcell and his wife are part of the IFA

* Richard Zeoller is General Manager of Marriott Hotel


* Richard Zeoller is also on the AHATA board as treasurer

* Mark Purcell's wife, Marlene Purcell along with Antonio Carlos are involved in the AHATA board as well.

AHATA President, Jeff Lesker, Carlson VP and the General Manager of the Radisson
Rumors?
We know the General Manager of the Marriott Hotel has reportedly just been “promoted” to a position in Mexico City, Mexico. Is the timing just coincidental to the “disappearance” of Natalee, or is there some other reason he’s gone from Aruba?
http://www.arubayp.com/bookindex.html

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2u7m8pg.jpg)
Good times at the Marriott.....man do all the Van Der Sloot boys party at the Marriott or in the wooded area next to the Marriott, funny he should mention the Marriott since that was the place searched the other day.
Posted by: Florida Girl | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 02:09 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/riehl_world_vie.html#comments













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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 12, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Oh, and Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms out there!!  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCool::

Belated thanks, Wreck!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 12, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
New interview from FOX NEWS from today featuring Dave and Gretchen Carlson - interesting ... two shots
of the Aruba Racquet Club:     http://video.foxnews.com/v/4232520886001/natalee-holloways-dad-follows-new-lead-in-aruba/?intcmp=watchnow#sp=show-clips

Greta's show this Saturday will be interesting I'm thinking ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 06:24:23 PM
Hello all!  I am trying to catch up on this new info and "new witness". I knew my monkey friends would still be on top of it.


AZSunny
- good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 06:25:12 PM
New interview from FOX NEWS from today featuring Dave and Gretchen Carlson - interesting ... two shots
of the Aruba Racquet Club:     http://video.foxnews.com/v/4232520886001/natalee-holloways-dad-follows-new-lead-in-aruba/?intcmp=watchnow#sp=show-clips

Greta's show this Saturday will be interesting I'm thinking ...

Hi Ono!  Good to see you too!  Yes, I agree, Greta's show should be interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
Photo source: http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Xg2HrHoJ.Dc

(http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif)

Jurrien de Jong
FACEBOOK

https://www.facebook.com/jurrien.dejong.75
'Spyglass Tower' of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club, where for all those years the body of Natalee Holloway is hidden."

OH LOOKY HIS FRIENDS are:

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
STEPH WATTS
SANDRA LANDMAN
Willam Cromvoirt





Yes Kermit, this guy is suspicious to say the least.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 06:37:20 PM
AZSunny  - look what I found!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 12, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
New interview from FOX NEWS from today featuring Dave and Gretchen Carlson - interesting ... two shots
of the Aruba Racquet Club:     http://video.foxnews.com/v/4232520886001/natalee-holloways-dad-follows-new-lead-in-aruba/?intcmp=watchnow#sp=show-clips

Greta's show this Saturday will be interesting I'm thinking ...

Hi Ono!  Good to see you too!  Yes, I agree, Greta's show should be interesting.

Hi Klass - thanks!   I can't believe it has been ten years since we all gathered together to try to make
some sense out of this travesty.  I am happy to read that Beth is happy [ still looks so lovely and
oozing with class, as always].  Also overjoyed to read of Matt's life and new little daughter - how wonderful
for all!     I think of Natalee and all so very often ... surely the truth will emerge post haste. It simply must.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 12, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
AZSunny  - look what I found!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg)

Oh my gosh! Love it after so long, it feels like home now!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 12, 2015, 07:35:13 PM
Wonder if Greta and Beth knocked on the van Der Sloot's front door this go around? lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 08:14:04 PM
Wonder if Greta and Beth knocked on the van Der Sloot's front door this go around? lol

 ::boxjoran::  LOL, I hope they do!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 08:15:12 PM
AZSunny  - look what I found!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsunnyblimp_zpsdosj3gic.jpg)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/azsun_zpss6zzftcc.jpg)

Oh my gosh! Love it after so long, it feels like home now!

I have almost all avatars and images saved on an external hard drive  ::MonkeyCool::   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: whytegirl on May 12, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: Hi Klaasend!!!!! I came back too, nice to see that the group has stayed so close knit! No other group, website or anything else has come as close as you guys to keep this up. Kudos! xoxo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
::HelloKitty:: Hi Klaasend!!!!! I came back too, nice to see that the group has stayed so close knit! No other group, website or anything else has come as close as you guys to keep this up. Kudos! xoxo


Whyegirl
- so good to see you!   As long as there is even a slight possibility that Natalee will be found, this Natalee forum will remain open!  As long as the forum is still here anyway and I don't think Red has plans to shut it down or anything  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2015, 09:07:41 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - still reading here after all these years. Spoke with TJ a few weeks ago, we still talk periodically. Spoke before this all started up, again. He's still stuck on Jaguar the informant. He can't get past Paulus' connections to Colombia. And taking Natalee off the island. After all this time - he's still there. Can't blame him, though. She hasn't been found. Or, if she has been found, no one told us. I still wonder about Kyle Kingman's discoveries. And who doesn't.

What can Dave do but go back down there again - I feel for him and understand. He's Natalee's father - and wants to find her. Just like any other father. Must be pure torture to live without knowing. I understand his quest. And hope he has the strength he needs.

Over the last ten years - I guess there were probably 10 days when I didn't think about Natalee - even if for just a fleeting moment. I always take a moment to think about Natalee and what could have been for such a lovely young lady. So horrible to happen and to have to fight for justice. I think we all understand that crime happens - you can't be a member of a board like this and not understand that aspect - it's the fighting for justice that makes people have a replusive feeling and then fight even more. It's an inherent part of human nature to fight the wrongs.

Still holding out hope that Natalee will be found. Just can't let that part go. I'll probably never let it go because it's the injustice and corruption of it all.

The other day I was in the supermarket and heard Michael Buble's 'I Want To Go Home' and remembered that was the theme song for a Natalee blog. I hadn't heard that song in so long. Instantly took me back to thinking of Natalee.

Still waiting for you, Natalee -

Michael Buble -- I Wanna Go Home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2SeHG3Eek


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/10515-natalee-holloway-witness-comes-forward-i-knew-she-was-dead

Natalee Holloway Witness Comes Forward: 'I Knew She Was Dead'
5:09 PM EDT, May 12, 2015

Dave Holloway is back in Aruba exclusively with INSIDE EDITION searching for answers in the disappearance of his 18-year-old daughter, Natalee.

“What was it like for you when you got off that plane and set foot back in Aruba?” INSIDE EDITION’s Lisa Guerrero asked.

He said, “It was like, here we go again.”

 ::snipping3::

Jurrien de Jong, a citizen of the Netherlands who lives in Amsterdam, says he was one of the last people to see Natalee alive.

“I know what happened to Natalee Holloway,” he told INSIDE EDITION.

Guerrero asked, “What did you see the night Natalee Holloway went missing?”

“I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction. In about 5 minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor and then made an opening in a crawl space and pulled the body by the ankles inside the crawl space,” he said.

Guerrero asked, “So, you saw Joran van der Sloot slam Natalee Holloway’s body onto the ground and pull her into a crawl space?”

“Yes, by her ankles. I knew she was dead,” he replied.

 ::snipping3::

The site where the witness claims he saw all this was under construction in 2005, but is now the Marriott Surf Club, a 900 room time share resort popular with Americans.

Dave Holloway is so intrigued by the new information, he asked a private detective, TJ Ward, to accompany him to Aruba to help with the investigation and also to analyze de Jong’s voice with a technology that supposedly detects lying.

Guerrero asked Ward, “What was indicated in this program in terms of his stress level in his truthfulness?”

“He was being truthful with what he said,” Ward replied. “He was very stressed with what he said and he was embarrassed he didn't bring this forward.”

Guerrero asked, “So, you believe this witness may be credible and his story could make sense?”

“It could make sense. It could,” Dave Holloway said. “I still have my guard up because I don't want to be disappointed.”

How to check this remarkable claim? It’s long been believed her body was dumped in the ocean, but does the secret to Natalee’s disappearance lie somewhere in this beautiful oceanfront resort?

Dave Holloway sought the help of Tracy Sargent, a search and rescue expert, whose dog, “Chance,” has been trained to detect cadavers. We checked into the hotel like regular guests.

Tracy and Chance strode the grounds and pathways. They went inside stairwells and checked out the garage. Every available space open to resort guests was probed by Chance, using his amazing sense of smell.

“This dog is trained to find missing persons, specifically human remains,” Sargent said.

Even with the passage of 10 long years, to say nothing of all that concrete, Sargent says it's still possible for the dog to detect a scent.

“Were you able to find any trace of Natalee’s body?” Guerrero asked her.

“No. Not at all. Not at this point. We certainly can't rule it out,” she replied.

The new witness believes Natalee could be buried on grounds that are inaccessible to guests. Possibly beneath the laundry facility, a mechanical room near the elevator shaft or perhaps where the garbage is stored.

Guerrero asked de Jong, “People may say you are looking for attention and you are giving false hope to the family, what is your response? Are you lying?”

“If I was making this up, it would be the work of a man who was insane I don't consider myself insane,” he replied.

Guerrero then asked David Holloway, “So you’re not going to give up on this lead yet?

“No. Not at all,” He replied.

“Will you ever give up looking for Natalee?” Guerrero asked.

“No. As long as there is a chance that I’ll find her, I’ll keep looking,” said the heartbroken father.

The prosecutor in Aruba is now reopening the Holloway investigation based on de Jong's statements. He says it could be a couple of months before he reveals his findings.

Joran van der Sloot maintains his innocence in the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
Wonder if Greta and Beth knocked on the van Der Sloot's front door this go around? lol

About a month ago Girdle was pushing that Natalee was human trafficked. It was on her twitter account and I let Klaas know at the time.

Some things never change. Don't let Gertie fool you that she cares. It's ratings and money for her.

Nice to see you Ono.  "teddybear2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
Good to see you too Rob!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
https://youtu.be/HXPh_BTXWcg

Published on May 12, 2015

http://www.youtube.com/v/HXPh_BTXWcg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 12, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
::HelloKitty:: Hi Klaasend!!!!! I came back too, nice to see that the group has stayed so close knit! No other group, website or anything else has come as close as you guys to keep this up. Kudos! xoxo


Whyegirl
- so good to see you!   As long as there is even a slight possibility that Natalee will be found, this Natalee forum will remain open!  As long as the forum is still here anyway and I don't think Red has plans to shut it down or anything  ::MonkeyCool::

Nice to see so many of the gang, shout out to Whyegirl, AZ Sunny, Ono. You too Rob, Kermit, TX Mom & Blonde and all.

The forum is open and looking for Justice for Natalee.

With the 10 year anniversary coming up of Natalee's disappearance, I have been reflecting on all that has gone on from the past from the beginning of this case, to the searches in Aruba, to the travesties of justice and everything. The time spent searching for Natalee on the Aruba dump was an experience that will most likely never be forgotten. It is actually hard to forget seeing that i received permanent scares, both physical and emotional, digging side by side with Dave.  I had always said when we were down there that I so wished we could find Natalee so to ease a Dave and Beth's pain, then there was that other side of me that was never prepared for if we did find her if I could deal with a dad finding his daughter in such a place. It was all such a surreal, emotional situation.

I think back on so many things that took place down there and how they came about, most of you would never believe me if I told you. How some of the things came about in Aruba, the help, calls and perseverance of Monkeys who did some things that let's skirted the boundaries to get things done. Teaming up with Tim Miller and the good people of TES.

Some of our accesses to properties and searches were accomplished by Monkeys taking some liberties and getting us some introductions in some inventive ways. That is how TES got on the VDS neighbors property. There are 1000's of stories like that of faking out the MSM and sending them on a wild goose chase as the main search teams went to the prime locations to search. Knowing the landscape and back routes in Aruba helped.

Over the years I can just say thank you to all of the Monkeys for your never ending support for Natalee and her family and in turn the family of so many other missing persons. Klaas is at the top of that list.

It is quite amazing to think that within the 10 years since Natalee's disappearance that Joran Van der Sloot would find himself in prison with the murder of another young girl in Peru. Aruba has her blood on their hands for not doing the right thing when it came to Joran.

They will forever have blood on their hands in my opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 12, 2015, 10:35:35 PM
Great to see so many of the gang! I have to agree with Rob about being wary of Greta, but at least she keeps the case out in the public eye. I also share the same sentiments on Kyle Kingman. If I recall, he named his little girl after Natalee - it's certainly about time he came forward and shared his honest thoughts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
::HelloKitty:: Hi Klaasend!!!!! I came back too, nice to see that the group has stayed so close knit! No other group, website or anything else has come as close as you guys to keep this up. Kudos! xoxo


Whyegirl
- so good to see you!   As long as there is even a slight possibility that Natalee will be found, this Natalee forum will remain open!  As long as the forum is still here anyway and I don't think Red has plans to shut it down or anything  ::MonkeyCool::

Nice to see so many of the gang, shout out to Whyegirl, AZ Sunny, Ono. You too Rob, Kermit, TX Mom & Blonde and all.

The forum is open and looking for Justice for Natalee.

With the 10 year anniversary coming up of Natalee's disappearance, I have been reflecting on all that has gone on from the past from the beginning of this case, to the searches in Aruba, to the travesties of justice and everything. The time spent searching for Natalee on the Aruba dump was an experience that will most likely never be forgotten. It is actually hard to forget seeing that i received permanent scares, both physical and emotional, digging side by side with Dave.  I had always said when we were down there that I so wished we could find Natalee so to ease a Dave and Beth's pain, then there was that other side of me that was never prepared for if we did find her if I could deal with a dad finding his daughter in such a place. It was all such a surreal, emotional situation.

I think back on so many things that took place down there and how they came about, most of you would never believe me if I told you. How some of the things came about in Aruba, the help, calls and perseverance of Monkeys who did some things that let's skirted the boundaries to get things done. Teaming up with Tim Miller and the good people of TES.

Some of our accesses to properties and searches were accomplished by Monkeys taking some liberties and getting us some introductions in some inventive ways. That is how TES got on the VDS neighbors property. There are 1000's of stories like that of faking out the MSM and sending them on a wild goose chase as the main search teams went to the prime locations to search. Knowing the landscape and back routes in Aruba helped.

Over the years I can just say thank you to all of the Monkeys for your never ending support for Natalee and her family and in turn the family of so many other missing persons. Klaas is at the top of that list.

It is quite amazing to think that within the 10 years since Natalee's disappearance that Joran Van der Sloot would find himself in prison with the murder of another young girl in Peru. Aruba has her blood on their hands for not doing the right thing when it came to Joran.

They will forever have blood on their hands in my opinion.

BBM I agree, Red.   ::HelloKitty::

Thank you for this forum, it is truly THE BEST; and for all you do for the missing!   ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas does an amazing job, and I'm so thankful for her too!   ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 12, 2015, 11:05:39 PM
I so want Dave and Beth to find and take Natalee home but for the life of me I honestly believe that that was her in that cage and what was there was removed by Aruba to never be seen again.  

IF (and that's a big IF) she was in a crawlspace then the authorities in Aruba removed her to that cage.  They would never take the chance any trace of Natalee would be found.  They don't want that hanging over their "Happy little island".  

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 12, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
Oh, Klaas, I love the modify option. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2015, 11:32:33 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)


Justice for Natalee!


 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 12, 2015, 11:35:17 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

I DO...


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 12, 2015, 11:41:31 PM
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Long time , no see.... ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.msg345044#msg345044 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.msg345044#msg345044)

 ::snipping3::

Joran: “I knew she wanted to f*** (talks about Natalee)”
Joran: “I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna f*** her.”
Joran: “So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill f*** her”
Joran: “Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth”
Joran: “I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrove trees at the mariott. “

 ::snipping3::

Joran: “I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him.

Joran: she is in the ocean.

Patrick: how did you know she died?

Joran: I just knew

P: did you try CPR?

Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up

P: how did you know if she was dead? wasn't she in a coma?

J: I didnt know.

P: did you feel her'?

J; no, but it didn't look good...

Joran: I wasn't sure she was dead.

 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 12:02:28 AM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on May 13, 2015, 12:20:46 AM
Wake up!!  Where's the section where everyone is talking about that criminal finally admitting that he saw that murderer chasing Natalee into that construction site and then carrying out her dead body?  It seems to me that site and the scenario that she was taken there was discussed early on in this forum, but the corrupt Aruban officials didn't follow-up on it.  I know y'all must be discussing this some place in here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on May 13, 2015, 12:23:06 AM
Good Lord; I see that it's being discussed just above my comments.  I knew y'all would be all over this.  I'm going to read back now, and try to re-orient myself to this site.  Where's my tiara?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 13, 2015, 01:00:31 AM
::HelloKitty:: Hi Klaasend!!!!! I came back too, nice to see that the group has stayed so close knit! No other group, website or anything else has come as close as you guys to keep this up. Kudos! xoxo


Whyegirl
- so good to see you!   As long as there is even a slight possibility that Natalee will be found, this Natalee forum will remain open!  As long as the forum is still here anyway and I don't think Red has plans to shut it down or anything  ::MonkeyCool::

Nice to see so many of the gang, shout out to Whyegirl, AZ Sunny, Ono. You too Rob, Kermit, TX Mom & Blonde and all.

The forum is open and looking for Justice for Natalee.

With the 10 year anniversary coming up of Natalee's disappearance, I have been reflecting on all that has gone on from the past from the beginning of this case, to the searches in Aruba, to the travesties of justice and everything. The time spent searching for Natalee on the Aruba dump was an experience that will most likely never be forgotten. It is actually hard to forget seeing that i received permanent scares, both physical and emotional, digging side by side with Dave.  I had always said when we were down there that I so wished we could find Natalee so to ease a Dave and Beth's pain, then there was that other side of me that was never prepared for if we did find her if I could deal with a dad finding his daughter in such a place. It was all such a surreal, emotional situation.

I think back on so many things that took place down there and how they came about, most of you would never believe me if I told you. How some of the things came about in Aruba, the help, calls and perseverance of Monkeys who did some things that let's skirted the boundaries to get things done. Teaming up with Tim Miller and the good people of TES.

Some of our accesses to properties and searches were accomplished by Monkeys taking some liberties and getting us some introductions in some inventive ways. That is how TES got on the VDS neighbors property. There are 1000's of stories like that of faking out the MSM and sending them on a wild goose chase as the main search teams went to the prime locations to search. Knowing the landscape and back routes in Aruba helped.

Over the years I can just say thank you to all of the Monkeys for your never ending support for Natalee and her family and in turn the family of so many other missing persons. Klaas is at the top of that list.

It is quite amazing to think that within the 10 years since Natalee's disappearance that Joran Van der Sloot would find himself in prison with the murder of another young girl in Peru. Aruba has her blood on their hands for not doing the right thing when it came to Joran.

They will forever have blood on their hands in my opinion.

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/dcvady.jpg)
DAVE & RED SEARCHING THE LANDFILL IN ARUBA FOR NATALEE



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 13, 2015, 01:01:45 AM
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ni15xy.jpg)

1. Eric Olthof, Arubas new prosecutor says Aruba revisiting Natalee Holloway burial claim.
2. Kalpoes lawsuit against Dr. Phil McGraw is dismissed
3. Greta and Beth revisit Aruba.
4. U.S. STATE DEPT look into the raid at Foxy Lady sex trafficking in Aruba
5. Dave goes to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 13, 2015, 01:03:47 AM
Keepthefaith, Chata, texasmom and 18 Guests are viewing this topic.

Long time , no see.... ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 13, 2015, 01:05:04 AM
Keepthefaith, Chata, texasmom and 18 Guests are viewing this topic.

Long time , no see.... ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 13, 2015, 01:24:23 AM
Hello, I'm Katie, Billb's daughter. As you may know, my dad passed away but he was always talking Natalie to me and my sisters and the evil of Aruba and Joran. I hope that this latest revelation about Natalie's whereabouts brings solid recovery so Beth and Dave have closure. Still monitor scared monkeys on my dads wishes.....Monkeys support of Natalie, Beth and Dave, and each other, are awesome!
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 13, 2015, 01:33:50 AM
Dad's moto:No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home! I stand with it! As my dad always said`Good Night Good Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 13, 2015, 02:03:55 AM
Hello, I'm Katie, Billb's daughter. As you may know, my dad passed away but he was always talking Natalie to me and my sisters and the evil of Aruba and Joran. I hope that this latest revelation about Natalie's whereabouts brings solid recovery so Beth and Dave have closure. Still monitor scared monkeys on my dads wishes.....Monkeys support of Natalie, Beth and Dave, and each other, are awesome!
 

Hello, Katie! I've spent many wonderful nights on a keyboard, in Seattle, chatting with BillB and other monkeys for years. I've often thought about your father and how he is doing, along with all the other monkeys. My heart breaks knowing your dad passed, but I'm blessed to have got to know him, even if it was through a keyboard. Your dad is flying  ::MonkeyAngel:: with a freebird, as we speak. Laying here beside my wife, about to start crying because me, Wreck, Rob, and Billb were going to take Urine and the Leprechauns on a trip down the Cahulawassee river and   dump them off with the natives so they could squeal like a pig....


::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: whytegirl on May 13, 2015, 06:50:27 AM
I don't believe that it would be a good idea to erase it. There's too much info to just dismiss it. And the media is on it again, so that helps a little bit.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 13, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
Didn't Joran tell Beth that Natalee was under a  construction site? WHEN HE TOOK THE $25,000 FROM HER?
Someone remind me I have all of my notes saved too ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 08:41:27 AM
Good Lord; I see that it's being discussed just above my comments.  I knew y'all would be all over this.  I'm going to read back now, and try to re-orient myself to this site.  Where's my tiara?

Not the original but close!  bbl   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on May 13, 2015, 08:46:42 AM
Klaasend, Thank you for finding my tiara!! All will be right in the world now.  Oh, and hey, y'all to everybody!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 13, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Wonder if Greta and Beth knocked on the van Der Sloot's front door this go around? lol

About a month ago Girdle was pushing that Natalee was human trafficked. It was on her twitter account and I let Klaas know at the time.

Some things never change. Don't let Gertie fool you that she cares. It's ratings and money for her.

Nice to see you Ono.  "teddybear2::

Thanks Rob!  Good to see you as well ...; [ It's been so long I had to stop and think who the heck "Girdle" was - LOL  ]
No doubt Greta's main show regarding this will air on the 30th, but will be interesting to see if she
mentions Natalee this coming Saturday since it's beginning to re-surface; Not an Alabama game goes
by that I do not especially remember precious Natalee and her dear family.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 13, 2015, 12:25:44 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

Makes a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dilberartomonitored_zpsz2gruia9.jpg)

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cartoonnatalee_zps7uxnvv9b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Mere on May 13, 2015, 04:08:26 PM
Thank you Klaas....I really wanted to see the name at the top of the hotel.
This has always made me wonder.  How did he know to draw what he did.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Mere on May 13, 2015, 04:12:57 PM
I clicked on link with includes "girl murdered" and this is dated 6/7/2005...!!!!

I remember enlarging the drawing and going over it line for line.  Guess it is better to let it go so that I can go to sleep tonight.

Again thanks.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 04:18:03 PM
I clicked on link with includes "girl murdered" and this is dated 6/7/2005...!!!!

Yep.  We have discussed how on earth he would have this information fast enough to draw and publish the cartoon.  Really makes you wonder. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 04:27:49 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/HolidayInnMariott_zpsjtawvhlt.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on May 13, 2015, 06:02:48 PM
Hmmm...it didn't take him long to make a comment about this development.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/05/13/joran-van-der-sloot-dismisses-new-witness-is-playing-with-familys-pain/

EXCLUSIVE: Joran van der Sloot dismisses new witness: 'He is playing with [family's] pain'
Published May 13, 2015/

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, is dismissing an account recently brought up by a self-proclaimed witness.

“Joran knows him,” his lawyer in Perú, Maximo Altez, told Fox News Latino. “Joran tells me this man is someone who sold drugs in Aruba to all of his friends.” 

Altez said Van der Sloot urges Natalee Holloway parents to disregard de Jong’s account.

“He is playing with their pain,” he said. “Joran is not worried [by de Jong's story], he advises them to look into his background.”
 ::snipping3::
Van der Sloot said through his lawyer he is not concerned by the new development.

“Joran says everything that man says is a lie,” Altez told FNL. “This is nothing new, and all this man wants is money.”

Van der Sloot told his lawyer de Jong was a well-known provider of marijuana and cocaine in that part of the island. “He sold drugs to Joran and all his friends,” Altez said.

Back in 2005, Altez said, De Jong came to his client and told him he had seen him bury Natalie. He threatened to go to police unless Van der Sloot gave him money.

“Joran always laughed at him,” the lawyer said. “Joran never gave him anything, he always took it as a joke.”
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on May 13, 2015, 06:12:12 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2015, 06:38:35 PM
Hmmm...it didn't take him long to make a comment about this development.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/05/13/joran-van-der-sloot-dismisses-new-witness-is-playing-with-familys-pain/

EXCLUSIVE: Joran van der Sloot dismisses new witness: 'He is playing with [family's] pain'
Published May 13, 2015/

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, is dismissing an account recently brought up by a self-proclaimed witness.

“Joran knows him,” his lawyer in Perú, Maximo Altez, told Fox News Latino. “Joran tells me this man is someone who sold drugs in Aruba to all of his friends.” 

Altez said Van der Sloot urges Natalee Holloway parents to disregard de Jong’s account.

“He is playing with their pain,” he said. “Joran is not worried [by de Jong's story], he advises them to look into his background.”
 ::snipping3::
Van der Sloot said through his lawyer he is not concerned by the new development.

“Joran says everything that man says is a lie,” Altez told FNL. “This is nothing new, and all this man wants is money.”

Van der Sloot told his lawyer de Jong was a well-known provider of marijuana and cocaine in that part of the island. “He sold drugs to Joran and all his friends,” Altez said.

Back in 2005, Altez said, De Jong came to his client and told him he had seen him bury Natalie. He threatened to go to police unless Van der Sloot gave him money.

“Joran always laughed at him,” the lawyer said. “Joran never gave him anything, he always took it as a joke.”
 ::snipping3::


Which imo, only gives some credence to the story! 

Joran was never worried about it and acted like it was a joke, because he knew she wasn't there anymore? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2015, 06:56:48 PM
Justin is ringing a bell, maybe a screen name here with some numbers in it too?

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.wicherwedzinga.nl/tag/jurrien-de-jong/&prev=search

 ::snipping3::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/05122015_zpscfvgzp1z.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/05122015_zpscfvgzp1z.jpg.html)

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2015, 07:22:44 PM
Remember that "remote viewer" guy Ed Dames that claimed Natalee was in the water near the refinery?  IMO this guy is a quack.

http://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=772&view=next (http://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=772&view=next)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 13, 2015, 08:00:56 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges of have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

Makes a lot of sense.

Paulus was involved IMO. He could have very well picked up Natalee, wherever Joran left her, and dumped her at sea.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 13, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dilberartomonitored_zpsz2gruia9.jpg)

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cartoonnatalee_zps7uxnvv9b.jpg)



This picture is creepy as heck...just like most things here (capslockwizard, simian, shango, etc.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2015, 08:11:37 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

Google translation:

May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

Quote
The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 13, 2015, 08:19:45 PM
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2qm2ova.jpg)
(Photo of Blue trap and trap in the mangroves here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=snj03p7b4dbkl5q9bv3d5j9hr7&topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/725esn.jpg)

What I do know is that there is blue fabric found on the 7th of Jand a piece of blue tarp. This is reluctantly confirmed by Richardson and Mos.

The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 13, 2015, 08:41:29 PM
I meant to say the crab trap pics by kyle also. Ocean explorer bailing out all of a sudden and all. Just another creepy thing.  Thanks Kermit.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 13, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
That damn frog being logical, again.... ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 13, 2015, 09:15:11 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 13, 2015, 09:19:35 PM
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2qm2ova.jpg)
(Photo of Blue trap and trap in the mangroves here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=snj03p7b4dbkl5q9bv3d5j9hr7&topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/725esn.jpg)

What I do know is that there is blue fabric found on the 7th of Jand a piece of blue tarp. This is reluctantly confirmed by Richardson and Mos.

The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.



I would surmise, a dead body would be much easier to transport, once placed in the cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2015, 07:05:26 AM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 14, 2015, 07:59:17 AM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 ::rhino::

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, is dismissing an account recently brought up by a self-proclaimed witness.

“Joran knows him,” his lawyer in Perú, Maximo Altez, told Fox News Latino. “Joran tells me this man is someone who sold drugs in Aruba to all of his friends.” 

Altez said Van der Sloot urges Natalee Holloway parents to disregard de Jong’s account.

“He is playing with their pain,” he said. “Joran is not worried [by de Jong's story], he advises them to look into his background.”

De Jong told Inside Edition the Alabama teen, whose body was never found, is buried beneath a crawl space at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba ::snipping3::.

Van der Sloot said through his lawyer he is not concerned by the new development.

“Joran says everything that man says is a lie,” Altez told FNL. “This is nothing new, and all this man wants is money.”
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/05/13/joran-van-der-sloot-dismisses-new-witness-is-playing-with-familys-pain/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 14, 2015, 10:25:29 AM
 ::MonkeyKiss::
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 ::rhino::

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

Paulus wasn't sweating profusely dehydrating himself because he knew nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 12:10:23 PM
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dilberartomonitored_zpsz2gruia9.jpg)

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cartoonnatalee_zps7uxnvv9b.jpg)



In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 12:17:06 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges of have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

Makes a lot of sense.

Paulus was involved IMO. He could have very well picked up Natalee, wherever Joran left her, and dumped her at sea.

Maybe the "shallow grave" in the cartoon represents where he left her.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 12:19:21 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

Google translation:

May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

Quote
The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.

It's deja vu all over again ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 12:22:57 PM
One thing's for sure:  the cartoonist deliberately drew an unattractive version of Natalee - I never liked that, and took umbrage - and I still do.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 12:24:28 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 ::rhino::

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

Good point.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 14, 2015, 12:35:58 PM
 ::canadaflag2:: ::canadaflag2::
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dilberartomonitored_zpsz2gruia9.jpg)

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cartoonnatalee_zps7uxnvv9b.jpg)



In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.


The picture describes a plan (3 days til, shallow grave dug, arrow pointing into the glass like something was planned to be put in it) but the odd thing is the witnesses in the background.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 ::rhino::

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

Justice-orgies and blackmail on the West Indies
Micha Kat Micha Kat     26 juni 2008 June 26, 2008


Met het bekend worden van het pedofielen-netwerk rond topmensen uit de wereld van justitie en politiek komt een wereld in beeld van sex, corruptie, fraude en chantage waarvoor we HEEL VER TERUG moeten in de geschiedenis om iets vergelijkbaars aan te treffen. With public disclosure of the paedophile network leaders from around the world of justice and politics is a world in images of sex, corruption, fraud and blackmail which we VERY FAR BACK in history to have something comparable to be found. Hans Holthuis, Joost Tonino, Joris Demmink en Paulus van der Sloot: ze horen allemaal bij dezelfde club van justitiele perverts die op kosten van de belastingbetaler onze rechtsstaat om zeep hebben geholpen. Hans Holthuis, Joost Tonino, Joris Demmink and Paulus van der Sloot: they all belong to the same club of judicial pervert who at the expense of the taxpayer to kill our rule of law have helped. Deze aflevering neemt ons niet mee naar de flat van 'pedo-professor' Ger van Roon in Amsterdam-Noord, maar naar de tuin van de familie Van der Der Sloot op Aruba... This episode takes us back to the flat of "pedo-professor Ger van Roon in Amsterdam-North, but to the garden of the family of Van Der Sloot in Aruba ...
SABOTAGE KLOKKENLUIDERONLINE??? SABOTAGE KLOKKENLUIDERONLINE??

Dit stuk is op HVV geplaatst omdat de website klokkenluideronline waarvoor het was bestemd waarschijnlijk wordt gesaboteerd. This piece is placed on HVV because the website klokkenluideronline which it was intended is probably sabotaged. Naar de oorzaken van de reeks van storingen wordt thans onderzoek gedaan. To the causes of the series of failures is now investigated.

Het Nederlands justitieel apparaat wordt op enorme schaal gechanteerd met pornografisch materiaal over officieren van justitie en rechters. The Dutch judiciary is on a colossal scale extortion with pornographic material on prosecutors and judges. Aan die conclusie valt niet meer te ontkomen. That conclusion is no longer escape. Mensen als Eddy de Kroes -hij werd drie keer veroordeeld tot een langdurige gevangenisstraf- wisten uit de cel te blijven door topmensen van justitie te confronteren met beeldmateriaal waarop ze in hoogst compromitterende standjes te zien zijn. People like Eddy Kroes-the three times he was sentenced to a lengthy prison-knew from the cell to abide by leaders of Justice to confront with imagery in which they highly compromising stands to be seen. In het geval van de Kroes betrof de chantage Hans Holthuis die het OM met de staart tussen de benen heeft moeten verlaten. In the case of the Kroes was the blackmail Hans Holthuis that the PPS with the tail between his legs had to leave. Holthuis behoorde tot het 'Demmink-netwerk' van pedofiele 'topmensen'. Holthuis belonged to the 'Demmink network' of paedophile 'senior'. Maar ook officieren als Jan Wolter Wabeke (door Bram Peper) en Joost Tonino (topmensen uit het bedrijfsleven komen in beeld zoals Cor Boonstra) lijken het slachtoffer te zijn geworden van dergelijke chantage-praktijken. But officers as Jan Wolter Wabeke (by Bram Peper) and Joost Tonino (from business leaders come into view as Cor Boonstra) seem to have become the victim of blackmail such practices. Een belangrijke aanwijzing hiervoor is dat 'grote zaken' van deze officieren uitdraaiden op (peperdure) mislukkingen terwijl voor iedereen tegelijkertijd ook duidelijk zichtbaar was dat de verdachten guilty waren as hell . An important indication is that 'big business' of these officers uitdraaiden (very expensive) failures while for everyone while also clearly visible was that the defendants were guilty as hell. Maar die chantage kan ook de andere kant op werken en er juist voor zorgen dat onschuldige mensen worden veroordeeld, zoals het geval was bij de Koerdische zakenman Baybasin die levenslang moest slikken omdat Justitie-topman Joris Demmink werd gechanteerd met openbaarmaking van zijn pedo-files als Baybasin niet achter de tralies zou verdwijnen. But that blackmail may also work on the other side and want to ensure that innocent people are convicted, as was the case with the Kurdish Baybasin businessman who had to swallow because lifelong Justice chief executive Joris Demmink was blackmailed with disclosure of his pedo-files as Baybasin not behind bars would disappear. De complete Nederlandse rechtsstaat is inmiddels ontwricht door al die magistraten die hun penis-nijd maar niet weten te beperken tot de echtelijke sponde of desnoods tot een bordeel van standing. The entire Dutch law has been disrupted by all those magistrates that their penis-envy but do not know to be limited to the marital sponde or pinch of standing up to a brothel. Nee, het moet allemaal veel smeriger, in plantsoenen, op achterbanken van dienstauto's, bij sinistere en illegale orgieen met geimporteerde minderarigen. No, it needs much smeriger, in gardens, front and back of official cars, with sinister and illegal orgies with imported minderarigen. Anders krijgen we 'm toch echt niet meer overeind onder onze toga's. Otherwise, we get 'm really no longer prevails among our toga.

Dit alles gezegd zijnde, durven we hier ook best de stelling aan dat Joran van der Sloot nog altijd op vrije voeten is omdat zijn vader Paulus zoveel dirty shit in file heeft over Nederlandse magistraten op de Antillen dat daarmee minimaal drie parlementaire enquetes gevuld zouden kunnen worden. Having said all that, dare we are also the best argument that Joran van der Sloot remains at liberty is because his father Paul so much dirty shit in file about the Dutch Antilles to magistrates that they at least three parliamentary inquiries could be filled . Uit algemeen toegankelijke bronnen komt al zoveel smerigheid naar boven, dat we met gemak kunnen stellen dat het op de Antillen een continue orgie is van copulerende en ejaculerende magistraten die uit verveling en verdorvenheid niet meer weten waar ze hun leuter nu weer moeten instoppen. From publicly available sources is already so much filth to top that we can easily say that the West Indies on a continuous orgy of copulerende and ejaculerende magistrates from boredom and depravity not know where they leuter now must instoppen. Wat te denken van de aan lager wal geraakte crimineel Cor Merx , tot 2005 de topman van het OM op de Antillen, die ten onder ging in een tsunami van corruptie, fraude en sex? Lees hier de (bijna) complete Merx-files waarbij de lezer zich moet beseffen dat het OM -ja, we zijn goed voor onze mensen!- deze Merx nadat hij op de Antillen was uit-geejaculeerd zelfs nog heeft benoemd tot advocaat-generaal te Den Haag. What about the lower shore to hit criminal Cor Merx, until 2005 the CEO of the PPS in the Antilles, which went under in a tsunami of corruption, fraud and sex? Read the (nearly) complete files with the Merx reader must realize that the OM yes, we are good for our people! - this Merx after they entered the West Indies was off geejaculeerd even has appointed attorney-general to The Hague. Is het geen bekend gegeven dat ondergeschikten het gedrag van hun baas nadoen? Is it not a truism that subordinates the behavior of their boss copy? Nou, dan weten we direct wat de gemiddelde Antilliaanse OM'mer als eerste daad van de dag ging doen na het openen van de reeds vermoeide ogen en die daad berof niet het nog eens doornemen van de dossiers van de lopende zaken. Well, we know immediately what the average Antillean OM'mer as the first act of the day was done after the opening of the already tired eyes and act berof not again go through the files of current affairs. Dan zijn daar de -tot dusver nog niet uitgegeven- gedetailleerde beschrijvingen van het hoeren en sloeren door de officier van justitie Ernst Wesselius die in naam der koningin is gestationeerd op Bonaire en lange tijd zelfs verslag deed van zijn ¡interessante belevenissen¢ op de eilanden in het huisblad van het OM. Then there are the not-yet-issued detailed descriptions of the whores and sloeren by the Public Prosecutor Ernst Wesselius acting in the name of the queen is stationed on Bonaire and long time even reported on his interesting experiences "on the islands the door of the PPS. Ook gechanteerd, dat is voor de ingewijde lezer van de link reeds direct duidelijk. Also extortion, which has been initiated for the reader of the direct link already clear. Dan verdient ook nog te worden genoemd de grootste crimineel uit de geschiedenis van het Nederlandse OM, Frans Pommer , billenmaat van Merx op het parket te Maastricht tot 2000 toen beiden op de Antillen onder de palmbomen gingen liggen relaxen. It also deserves to be called the biggest criminal in the history of the Dutch OM, French Pommer, billenmaat of Merx at the public prosecutor in Maastricht until 2000 when both the West Indies under the palm trees went lie relax. De grond was Pommer in Nederland een beetje heet onder de voeten geworden nadat was gebleken dat hij als officier in een grote drugszaak maar liefst acht observatie-bevelen had vervalst . The ground was Pommer Netherlands in a little hot under the feet become after it was revealed that he as an officer in a major drug issues no less than eight observation orders had falsified. Voor een gewoon burger reden opgeknoopt de worden, maar binnen het OM worden dergelijke vormen van corruptie beloond met een ticktet naar Willemstad. For an ordinary citizen opgeknoopt the reason, but within the OM, such forms of corruption are rewarded with a ticktet to Willemstad. Op de eilanden raakte Pommer die vrijwel geheel uit de media is weten te blijven dermate verstrikt in het bekende web van fraude, sex chantage en corruptie dat het OM niets anders restte dan hem maar weer terug te halen naar Nederland waar hij thans verbonden is aan het parket te Roermond. On the islands became Pommer almost entirely from the media has managed to remain so entangled in the web of known fraud, blackmail, sex and corruption that for nothing else than him but left again to get back to the Netherlands where he is currently connected to the Prosecutor in Roermond.

Goed, in dit gezellige klimaat van geven en nemen was ene Paulus van der Sloot , trotse vader van de ambitieuze Joran, rechter-in-opleiding. Need we say more ? Well, in this cosy atmosphere of give and take was one Paulus van der Sloot, proud father of the ambitious Joran, judge-in-training. Need we say more? Paulus is nog altijd een verdachte in de zaak-Holloway maar erger is nog dat er nooit echt onderzoek is gedaan naar het leven en werk van Paulus op de eilanden. Paul is still a suspect in the Holloway case but worse still is that there never really been done to research the life and work of Paul on the islands. We vermoeden daarom dat Paulus door Justitie op Aruba was gestationeerd als een soort maitre de plaisir zoals we die kennen uit de tijden van het Romeinse keizerrijk en Lodewijk XIV te Versailles met als taak het organiseren van interessante juridische lezingen en jurisprudentie-avondjes. We suspect that by Justice Paul was stationed in Aruba as a sort of maitre de plaisir as we know from the times of the Roman Empire and Louis XIV at Versailles with the task of organising lectures and interesting legal jurisprudence evenings. Met andere woorden: Paulus weet als geen ander welke magistraat zijn leuter op welke dag en in welke strandstoel in welk minderjarig schandknaapje heeft gestoken en hij deinst er als goede vader niet voor terug deze kennis in te zetten ter bescherming van zoonlief. In other words, Paul knows like no other magistrate which are leuter on what day and what a beach chair in which minor schandknaapje and he has put deinst there is not as good father to back this knowledge to be deployed to protect zoonlief. Hiermee lijkt de macabere cirkel van ultieme verdorvenheid helemaal rond: het OM wordt zelfs gechanteerd door de eigen rechterlijke macht ! It seems the ultimate depravity of macabre circle around: the OM is even blackmailed by their own judiciary! Laten we binnenkort eens wat nader gaan kijken naar die andere mysterieuze justitie-figuur over wie eigenlijk nauwelijks iets bekend is: Ernst Hirsch Ballin, minister van justitie. Let us soon agree what further look at those other mysterious justice-figure about whom very little is known fact: Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Minister of Justice.

written by Micha Kat
http://tinyurl.com/3jhl4s


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
Kyle said:
 
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2015, 02:46:10 PM
Shoot out to billb's sister and KTF ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: and auntym.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 14, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
Kyle said:
 
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 
The frog we know and love has a few "connections" and "resources" -- I wonder if anyone has actually tried to track down and contact Kyle in the last several years?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Kyle said:
 
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 
The frog we know and love has a few "connections" and "resources" -- I wonder if anyone has actually tried to track down and contact Kyle in the last several years?  ::MonkeyCool::


LOL
lets just say we know where he is.

 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2015, 03:49:11 PM
Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
snip
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zxw9s7.jpg)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/14d0xgo.jpg)
SHOE INSIDE CAGE



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 06:50:32 PM
::canadaflag2:: ::canadaflag2::
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dilberartomonitored_zpsz2gruia9.jpg)

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cartoonnatalee_zps7uxnvv9b.jpg)



In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.


The picture describes a plan (3 days til, shallow grave dug, arrow pointing into the glass like something was planned to be put in it) but the odd thing is the witnesses in the background.

I have always felt that there are so many purposely drawn so-called " clues " ...  [ or what could be interpreted as such ] within this cartoon, that perhaps the motive for this drawing was to actually throw sincere truth seekers off.  The trick is to determine what is fact and what could be a deliberate mental detour.  This whole case seems to be one of world class mental trickery, in my view. The mind games have been excruciating from the beginning.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
Forgot about those tennis shoes ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 14, 2015, 07:09:42 PM
Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 14, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
The Frogs posts are so very poignant. Through all the life changes we've all gone through, the one constant for me has been a frog from Sesame Street. Go figure! However, I wouldn't have it any other way!

::MonkeyAngel::

Go Huskies!
::MonkeyFBall::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/photos/a.162242790457256.36266.158671177481084/1089948951019964/?type=1

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11245503_1089948951019964_4003803521889487444_n.png?oh=d8a9dda74b414bc919ea137f3f8eab0b&oe=55C761DD)


Greta Van Susteren
May 12 at 9:33am · Edited ·

Natalee Holloway Special -- this Saturday at 10pm Fox News Channel (if you can't watch live, please DVR.)

No, I don't give up ...at least not easily. I am still working the Natalee Holloway investigation. I want answers. I want to get them for her parents. I got into this so deep that I figure I owe it to her parents to at least keep trying to get those answers.

It has been 10 years since this then high school teen vanished in Aruba. I have traveled the world to try to get answers and interviewed dozens and dozens of people - not all interviews have made air.

Over the years I have traveled to Aruba multiple times, to Thailand for a weekend, to a prison in Peru - all chasing down Joran van der Sloot. He has talked to me many times but always trying to play me. He has no conscience. At one time I was told there were two arrest warrants for me in Aruba (that was bizarre!) because the Arubans were unhappy with me.

And I even returned to Aruba a few weekends ago with Beth Holloway. Yes, I am still working this case.

This Saturday is a SPECIAL - 10pm - on the Natalee Holloway investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: antunym on May 14, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
Shoot out to billb's sister and KTF ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: and auntym.



Good to see u Kermit along with all other monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2015, 09:36:22 PM
Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?

I emailed the cartoonist years ago and he never answered back.  I would not be surprised though if he had some connections to people in Aruba and maybe the "rumor mill" gave him the idea for the cartoon. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 15, 2015, 12:42:30 AM
Keepthefaith, billb and 1 Guest

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 15, 2015, 12:49:05 AM
Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
snip
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zxw9s7.jpg)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/14d0xgo.jpg)
SHOE INSIDE CAGE


Katie here again..
My Dad told me early on that initial statements are key to facts. Time goes on and as time goes on, spin is BS. Seems Kermit nailed it! My Dad always believed Natalie was killed on the beach by Joran and Paulus disposed of her body at sea. Kyle and John will have to take up their roles with God on Judgement Day... Dad always believed Natalie was in the cage....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 15, 2015, 12:51:42 AM
Natalee > Natalie


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 15, 2015, 12:59:23 AM
Hello, I'm Katie, Billb's daughter. As you may know, my dad passed away but he was always talking Natalie to me and my sisters and the evil of Aruba and Joran. I hope that this latest revelation about Natalie's whereabouts brings solid recovery so Beth and Dave have closure. Still monitor scared monkeys on my dads wishes.....Monkeys support of Natalie, Beth and Dave, and each other, are awesome!
 

Hello, Katie! I've spent many wonderful nights on a keyboard, in Seattle, chatting with BillB and other monkeys for years. I've often thought about your father and how he is doing, along with all the other monkeys. My heart breaks knowing your dad passed, but I'm blessed to have got to know him, even if it was through a keyboard. Your dad is flying  ::MonkeyAngel:: with a freebird, as we speak. Laying here beside my wife, about to start crying because me, Wreck, Rob, and Billb were going to take Urine and the Leprechauns on a trip down the Cahulawassee river and   dump them off with the natives so they could squeal like a pig....


::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Keepthefaith,
At times, our family thought dad was too obsessed with Natalie and scared monkeys..he poured so much time trying to rationalize to us his time on the computer. Over time, I finally got it that he was consumed with getting justice for Natalie and had a connection with like minded people on scared monkeys....my dad treasured the time he spent here......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 15, 2015, 01:06:05 AM
Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
FYI for moderators...I'm hanging on to my dads login, if thats not cool, thats OK and I'll stop.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 15, 2015, 01:08:17 AM
Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
FYI for moderators...I'm hanging on to my dads login, if thats not cool, thats OK and I'll stop.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2015, 09:06:35 AM
Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
FYI for moderators...I'm hanging on to my dads login, if thats not cool, thats OK and I'll stop.

No problem Katie - but to avoid confusion, maybe I'll modify the name people see for you as something like "billb's daugher" that way it won't confuse people.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 15, 2015, 01:18:18 PM
Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?

I emailed the cartoonist years ago and he never answered back.  I would not be surprised though if he had some connections to people in Aruba and maybe the "rumor mill" gave him the idea for the cartoon.  

He laid low ... interesting;  He had to have known something or someone  --- in my view. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 15, 2015, 01:43:14 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 15, 2015, 03:52:44 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/keyvkl.jpg)
Photo by Hannie C.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 15, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
snip
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zxw9s7.jpg)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/14d0xgo.jpg)
SHOE INSIDE CAGE


Katie here again..
My Dad told me early on that initial statements are key to facts. Time goes on and as time goes on, spin is BS. Seems Kermit nailed it! My Dad always believed Natalie was killed on the beach by Joran and Paulus disposed of her body at sea. Kyle and John will have to take up their roles with God on Judgement Day... Dad always believed Natalie was in the cage....


(http://oi62.tinypic.com/wh1l05.jpg)

Hi Katie,

You are like having billb back with us because we remember him dearly.
I think he was the one that use to stack posts or something and as KTF said
he and wreck too were going on a boat trip together down some river. Good times.

In every lie there is some truth.
If Kyle Kingman had not caught the ROV footage and taken the photos, we never would know.
So, for that, we can thank him. Youth is probably what held him hostage to that truth.


GIVE NATALEE BACK TO AMERICA!
We know what Aruba did.
We know the lies.
and stupid egg-heads it is still costing you big bucks in tourist dollars.....










Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 15, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
What Kyle is doing today:
http://www.rigzone.com/search/sites/Kingman_Geophysical_Solutions10340.asp
 (http://www.rigzone.com/search/sites/Kingman_Geophysical_Solutions10340.asp)
 ....actually, I'm not sure how current this is -- the website listed is inactive


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2015, 10:42:28 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

You're welcome, Ono!  I'm wondering too...anxious to see it tomorrow night!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 16, 2015, 12:15:28 AM
Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
FYI for moderators...I'm hanging on to my dads login, if thats not cool, thats OK and I'll stop.

No problem Katie - but to avoid confusion, maybe I'll modify the name people see for you as something like "billb's daugher" that way it won't confuse people.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you Klaasend for allowing me to post on my Dads login....the family decided to continue his search for the truth for Natalee and Beth and Dave...(he was so determined to
 getting to the truth)  and recognizing me in behalf of my Dad.....I appreciate it and I'm sure he does....
Katie


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 16, 2015, 12:40:54 AM
Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
snip
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wnai3k.jpg)
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zxw9s7.jpg)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/14d0xgo.jpg)
SHOE INSIDE CAGE


Katie here again..
My Dad told me early on that initial statements are key to facts. Time goes on and as time goes on, spin is BS. Seems Kermit nailed it! My Dad always believed Natalie was killed on the beach by Joran and Paulus disposed of her body at sea. Kyle and John will have to take up their roles with God on Judgement Day... Dad always believed Natalie was in the cage....


(http://oi62.tinypic.com/wh1l05.jpg)

Hi Katie,

You are like having billb back with us because we remember him dearly.
I think he was the one that use to stack posts or something and as KTF said
he and wreck too were going on a boat trip together down some river. Good times.

In every lie there is some truth.
If Kyle Kingman had not caught the ROV footage and taken the photos, we never would know.
So, for that, we can thank him. Youth is probably what held him hostage to that truth.


GIVE NATALEE BACK TO AMERICA!
We know what Aruba did.
We know the lies.
and stupid egg-heads it is still costing you big bucks in tourist dollars.....


Aruba is a cesspool that is the poster child for all countries that allow politicians to cover up crimes and sway the narrative  regardless of the facts.
Facts: Joran killed Natalee
Kalpoe brothers were directly involved in Natalee's death
Paulus disposed of Natalee
Anita is an asshole
all Aruba officials that covered up will have a discussion with God
John and Kyle will have that same discussion with God
All my Dad every wanted was closure for Natalee, Beth and Dave....in his mind, that means bringing Natalee home.










Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 16, 2015, 03:08:53 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 12:41:22 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/keyvkl.jpg)
Photo by Hannie C.

Oh, my gosh - lol! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

You're welcome, Ono!  I'm wondering too...anxious to see it tomorrow night!   ::MonkeyCool::



Me too, Texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-reporting/2015/05/15/greta-investigates-natalee-holloway-mystery-10-years-later

(http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-reporting/sites/foxnews.com.on-air.fox-news-reporting/files/greta_holloway.jpg)

Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later
By Fox News

Published May 15, 2015 | FoxNews.com

Saturday, May 16 at 10 p.m. ET

On the 10-year anniversary of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, "Greta Investigates" takes a new look at the teenager's last days while on a high school graduation trip on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Greta Van Susteren traveled to the island with Natalee's mother Beth Holloway to investigate the bizarre twists and countless lies that have plagued this mysterious case from the start.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 02:29:22 PM
Three short clips on Greta's FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/videos/1091611554187037/

Greta Van Susteren
4 hrs ·
"I've lived every parent's worst nightmare." Beth Holloway returns to Aruba nearly 10 years after her daughter Natalee's disappearance. You'll see more from our trip on 'Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later' tonight at 10pm/ET on Fox News.


https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/videos/1091632420851617/

Greta Van Susteren
18 hrs ·
I will never give up on the Natalee Holloway case. For ten years I've been making phone calls and following up on leads. Watch my 'Off the Record' commentary and SHARE this post if you'll be tuning in to 'Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later' tomorrow at 10pm/ET.

https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/videos/1091542870860572/

Greta Van Susteren
23 hrs ·
On the 10-year anniversary of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, I'm taking a new look at the teenager’s last days while on a high school graduation trip on the Caribbean island of Aruba. Don't miss the premiere of 'Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later' this Saturday May 16 at 10pm/ET on Fox News: http://bit.ly/1KSg2l4



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Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 02:35:30 PM
Preview at the link also.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/15/preview-greta-investigates-10-years-twists-turns-natalee-holloway-case

Greta Investigates 10 Years of Twists & Turns in the Natalee Holloway Case

May 15, 2015

by Fox News Insider

It has been a full decade now since 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared, and the mystery has captivated the nation ever since.

The Alabama native was on a five-day high school graduation trip to Aruba with more than 100 students and seven chaperones from Mountain Brook High School.

 ::snipping3::

Greta returned to the island with Holloway's mother to investigate the bizarre twists and countless lies that have plagued the case from the start.

You'll also learn about how the teen’s suspected killer, Joran van der Sloot, was almost caught in an FBI sting operation, but instead slipped out of Aruba and fled to Peru.

Tune in Saturday at 10p/1a ET for the Fox News special, "Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery, 10 Years Later."

Watch the opening of the show above.

Check out some of the facts and figures of the case below:

- Eleven people have been arrested or detained a total of 14 times in connection with Holloway’s disappearance.

- Van der Sloot has been arrested twice in the Alabama teen’s case, yet he has never been charged in connection with her disappearance.

- A 2009 Lifetime movie about Holloway drew 3.2 million viewers when it premiered and was the network’s highest-rated film.

- On May 11, 2009, as the fourth anniversary of Holloway's disappearance approached, her case was added to the cold case file at the National Museum of Crime and Punishment in Washington, D.C.

- In November 2010, a jaw bone washed up on a beach in Aruba, but a DNA test confirmed it did not belong to Holloway.

- Van der Sloot is currently imprisoned for the 2010 murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, who was killed exactly five years after Holloway was last seen.

- Van der Sloot, who was sentenced to 28 years, is eligible for parole in 2019. When he is released, he will be extradited to the U.S. on charges that he defrauded and extorted money from Beth Holloway.

- Natalee Holloway, who went missing in 2005, would have turned 29 next October. She was declared legally dead in January 2012.


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Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 03:02:58 PM
Older video where Greta talks about Anita's graphic descriptions of Joran's interactions with Natalee that night, and Paulus' profuse sweating.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYDAor82sgU

Published on May 16, 2014
After Natalee Holloway's disappearance in 2005, her mother and I went to Joran van der Sloot's house to get answers.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rYDAor82sgU


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Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 03:19:23 PM
This is a blogtalk radio show from a couple days ago, and haven't listened to it all yet, but thought others might be interested.

Robin Sax mentions SM sleuthers, Dana, and Red, in some of the early comments.

(I don't really care for the host so far, and he obviously hasn't followed Natalee's case very closely since he doesn't even have the correct date of her disappearance.) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGqD5E1RE5w

Robin Sax & Stacey Honowitz talk Natalee Holloway 10 years Later on KJR!!!

Published on May 15, 2015
Stacey & Robin & King Discuss 10 years Later a case that Amazed The US & Aruba The Story of Natalee Holloway who went missing 10 years ago on May 25 2005


http://www.youtube.com/v/lGqD5E1RE5w



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Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 06:52:36 PM
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/greta-van-susteren-returns-to-aruba-ten-years-after-natalee-holloways-disappearance/262892

CRIME NEWS | FOX NEWS
Greta Van Susteren Returns to Aruba Ten Years After Natalee Holloway’s Disappearance
 
By Mark Joyella on May. 16, 2015 - 12:32 PM

(http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/05/Greta-Van-Susteren-talks-to-Beth-Holloway-on-an-Aruban-beach-10-years-after-her-daughter-Natalees-disappearance-FOX-News-562x316.jpg)


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 07:58:21 PM
This is a blogtalk radio show from a couple days ago, and haven't listened to it all yet, but thought others might be interested.

Robin Sax mentions SM sleuthers, Dana, and Red, in some of the early comments.

(I don't really care for the host so far, and he obviously hasn't followed Natalee's case very closely since he doesn't even have the correct date of her disappearance.) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGqD5E1RE5w

Robin Sax & Stacey Honowitz talk Natalee Holloway 10 years Later on KJR!!!

Published on May 15, 2015
Stacey & Robin & King Discuss 10 years Later a case that Amazed The US & Aruba The Story of Natalee Holloway who went missing 10 years ago on May 25 2005


http://www.youtube.com/v/lGqD5E1RE5w

Thanks to Robin Sax for the shout out and remembering who was there in the beginning and at the forefront of the Natalee Holloway missing persons case. I have to admit, this is a tough listen. Robin and Stacy did a nice job and the funny part was there is a part in this interview where they take over and keep talking and following up each other.

 It should make everyone say thank you and give Dana Pretzer big time kudos for the work he does on the radio. Dana has the facts, the dates, the personality, the where with all to know what to ask and how to say it and he'd got the pipes.

What was up with the intro's like it was announcing players at a basketball team? YIKES!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

Robin made a great point and she is 100% correct ... this was the first social media case and it was long before Facebook.

This case put web sleuthing and the Internet as a media tool on the map. I can't begin to tell you the number of shows that contacted SM and wanted to use us as background material, of course not giving us credit because their bosses would have gone mental that they got their news and sources from the web. Remember, 10 years ago the MSM did not really have a web presence and it was not at all interactive like it is today.

I have so many stories like this that would just astound people as to how it happened. A major news organization that will go unnamed once contacted us as to how in the hell we were beating them to the story with all the resources and $'s they had in play.

many stories to follow because in the end, we sadly never found Natalee, but what came of it was a new way to investigate, cover and provide law enforcement and families with new tools.


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Post by: klaasend on May 16, 2015, 08:23:20 PM
Out of town until tomorrow.  If Gretas show is tonight I'll miss it.  Hopefully I can catch the show online after. ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 08:38:21 PM
Thanks for the links Texasmom; well said Red-so many unsung heroes involved & still waiting for that "Perry Mason" moment; hurry back Klass.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 08:53:01 PM
Joran van der Sloot Dismisses New Witness Jurrien De Jong’s Account that JVDS Killed Natalee Holloway … Says ‘He is Playing with Family’s Pain’

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/16/joran-van-der-sloot-dismisses-new-witness-jurrien-de-jongs-account-that-jvds-killed-natalee-holloway-says-he-is-playing-with-familys-pain/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Joran-Van-der-Sloot.jpg)

OH THE IRONY, TALK ABOUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK …

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A new witness has come forward after all this time in the case of the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Witness Jurrien De Jong says, “I saw Natalee Holloway on the last night that she was alive. I was the eyewitness.”  De Jong further went on to say, “I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction. In about five minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms, and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor, and then he made an opening in a crawl space … I knew she was dead.”   In response to these allegations, Joran Van der Sloot, the number one suspect in the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway, makes the following claim … the Holloway family to regards de Jong’s account of what happened to Natalee and says that “he [De Jong] is only playing with the family’s pain.”  You don’t say, because Joran Van der Sloot would know all about cause the Holloway family pain. Natalee Holloway went missing on May 30, 2005 in Aruba and since then Joran Van der Sloot has done nothing but cause the Holloway family pain and especially Beth, Natalee’s mom. Joran has confessed multiple times to the crime and has never been tried for the crime, let alone convicted and found guilty.

How many times has this little punk lied and cause pain to the Natalee Holloway family? How ironic that he would claim that some one else is doing the same. Because of course, Joran Van der Sloot only has Natalee’s family at heart.
::snipping3::

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From prison in Peru, Joran Van der Sloot brushed off the latest allegation from Jurrien De Jong and called him a liar. Joran also said that he is only coming forward for the money. Hmm, Joran should know something about this. The once “little Sporter,” now convicted killer, has been charged in Alabama with extortion in connection with the Natalee Holloway case. Once Van der Sloot has served his 28 year sentence in Peru in the murder of Stephany Flores, Peru’s Supreme Court has okayed Joran Van der Sloot’s extradition to the United States to face extortion charges in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.
::snipping3::


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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 09:47:15 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

You're welcome, Ono!  I'm wondering too...anxious to see it tomorrow night!   ::MonkeyCool::



IBE checking in       Monkeys are here for Natalee for 10 years!


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Post by: Port Valerie on May 16, 2015, 09:54:25 PM
Port Valerie checking in. Watching Greta. Seems like an excellent recap.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Port Valerie checking in. Watching Greta. Seems like an excellent recap.

 ::rhino::

I am hoping that Greta has learned her lesson and there are no Renfro quotes or cameos.


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2015, 09:58:15 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

You're welcome, Ono!  I'm wondering too...anxious to see it tomorrow night!   ::MonkeyCool::



IBE checking in       Monkeys are here for Natalee for 10 years!

 ::rhino::


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Post by: Port Valerie on May 16, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Gotta love the Nassau commercial in the middle of this. "Things are Better in the Bahamas." Better than in Aruba, I guess they mean. Talk about setting the bar low.


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Post by: Port Valerie on May 16, 2015, 10:06:00 PM
I hope Greta shows us where some of the friends are today. Married? Children? That's where Natalie would probably be today. What a loss.


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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
So far, nothing new. ::MonkeyTears::


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 10:24:06 PM
I hope Greta shows us where some of the friends are today. Married? Children? That's where Natalie would probably be today. What a loss.

Yes it was.

I remember driving Beth back to Alabama from Florida, we were both taking part in one of the searches for Caylee Anthony in FLA. This was not the MB home you see in tonight's Greta special, but the one she lived in after that. I went to her home and saw all the items that were Natalee's, the pics and just broke down. I told her I was so sorry and I felt like I had failed her in not finding Natalee. Being down there in Aruba and going thru that living hell of searching for her, especially in the landfill, was something that changes a person forever.

I meet and know Beth is to love her. She is such a strong person and understood that so many cared and stopped their lives for her and her family to find Natalee. There was never a time whenever I saw or talked to Beth that she didn't ask about the Monkeys. Beth is a special kind of person.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 10:30:40 PM
Joran Van der Sloot needs to be shipped back to the States and get some Alabama justice!!!


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification.  ::MonkeyCool::
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?

You're welcome, Ono!  I'm wondering too...anxious to see it tomorrow night!   ::MonkeyCool::



IBE checking in       Monkeys are here for Natalee for 10 years!

Hi IBE! Great to see you !!!


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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Red, How long will it take for him to join the "good ole boys" in Alabama prison?


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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 10:35:22 PM
I hope Greta shows us where some of the friends are today. Married? Children? That's where Natalie would probably be today. What a loss.

Yes it was.

I remember driving Beth back to Alabama from Florida, we were both taking part in one of the searches for Caylee Anthony in FLA. This was not the MB home you see in tonight's Greta special, but the one she lived in after that. I went to her home and saw all the items that were Natalee's, the pics and just broke down. I told her I was so sorry and I felt like I had failed her in not finding Natalee. Being down there in Aruba and going thru that living hell of searching for her, especially in the landfill, was something that changes a person forever.

I meet and know Beth is to love her. She is such a strong person and understood that so many cared and stopped their lives for her and her family to find Natalee. There was never a time whenever I saw or talked to Beth that she didn't ask about the Monkeys. Beth is a special kind of person.

Red, thank you for searching and helping Beth. I know the garbage searching was terrible for you and had after affects.

Hello, all family Monkeys!


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 10:40:32 PM
I thought it was absolutely excellent-so good to see her two friends, Claire Fierman and Mollie Tucker; Beth looks so good-her attitude is so inspiring; I need to purchase that book Portrait of a Monster, by Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer as in their interview quips they sounded very in tune with the facts and have Joran's diabolical persona down pat. And..... John Q. Kelly is still gorgeous ...and nice.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Red, How long will it take for him to join the "good ole boys" in Alabama prison?

I am not sure what would be a better situation ... Joran getting pulled over by a couple of Alabama State troopers or annoucing in an Alabama lockup that this is the scum bag who murdered Natalee Holloway. Both would provide a swift result.


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Post by: Port Valerie on May 16, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
For the record:  This is May 16, 2015 at 11:09 pm. Greta 1-hour special has just concluded. (Monkey Calendar seems to be on its own Monkey Time tonight. On my link, anyway.)


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 10:43:46 PM
Joran Van der Sloot needs to be shipped back to the States and get some Alabama justice!!!

No kidding ... and I think being shipped to Alabama is what really scared him and his parents from the get-go. That was their biggest fear in my view.  Roll Tide!


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 10:47:47 PM
Red, How long will it take for him to join the "good ole boys" in Alabama prison?

I am not sure what would be a better situation ... Joran getting pulled over by a couple of Alabama State troopers or annoucing in an Alabama lockup that this is the scum bag who murdered Natalee Holloway. Both would provide a swift result.

Lol-I'll go with the Troopers for starters;  I envision him croaking all on his own when he sees our
"Welcome To Alabama The Beautiful" signs. 


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 10:49:59 PM
I hope Greta shows us where some of the friends are today. Married? Children? That's where Natalie would probably be today. What a loss.

Yes it was.

I remember driving Beth back to Alabama from Florida, we were both taking part in one of the searches for Caylee Anthony in FLA. This was not the MB home you see in tonight's Greta special, but the one she lived in after that. I went to her home and saw all the items that were Natalee's, the pics and just broke down. I told her I was so sorry and I felt like I had failed her in not finding Natalee. Being down there in Aruba and going thru that living hell of searching for her, especially in the landfill, was something that changes a person forever.

I meet and know Beth is to love her. She is such a strong person and understood that so many cared and stopped their lives for her and her family to find Natalee. There was never a time whenever I saw or talked to Beth that she didn't ask about the Monkeys. Beth is a special kind of person.

Red, thank you for searching and helping Beth. I know the garbage searching was terrible for you and had after affects.

Hello, all family Monkeys!

IBE, I am not quite sure if I have ever done anything like that before or since. Looking back on it, we probably should have used a little more thought. But it had to be done. There was a part of me that thought she was there, then another that said, if she was there the Aruba LE probably would not let us search it. In the coming days I am going to post some pics from the landfill search that I thought had been lost. Never seen before.

I am not sure which was worse the smell, the ammonia and sulfur burn-off or the medical waste we came across. It was like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.

But, what made SM not just another blog or forum or media outlet covering the story is that we were down in the trenches getting down and dirty searching for Natalee. Trust me, much of the MSM in Aruba hit happy hour when we were still searching or planning for the next search or trying to wash the ick off.

I thank the Monkeys for all of you support and the support you gave Beth, Dave and so many other families.


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
Thank goodness no Renfro sightings ...


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Post by: Port Valerie on May 16, 2015, 10:53:59 PM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 10:59:12 PM
I thought it was absolutely excellent-so good to see her two friends, Claire Fierman and Mollie Tucker; Beth looks so good-her attitude is so inspiring; I need to purchase that book Portrait of a Monster, by Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer as in their interview quips they sounded very in tune with the facts and have Joran's diabolical persona down pat. And..... John Q. Kelly is still gorgeous ...and nice.

Honestly, Beth is one of the strongest individuals I have ever me. That is not to say I have not seen times of her pain. Over the years we have had opportunities to talk about so many things. She is such a nice person.

She is an amazing person. She is an inspiration and the people that talk ill of her have no idea. As Beth says, she is the mom that no one wants to be. But mark my words, she is the woman that so many woman and men for that matter wish they could be like. Especially in time of a crisis.



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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 11:03:12 PM
Remember how the Monkeys, here in the US, made protests outside where Aruba would have a travel booth to boost their tourism?

Maybe, Greta's program tonight, will made someone come forward as a real witness. ::justice2nj2:: dedicated to Monkeys who have gone on before us.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 11:06:38 PM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)

It was a little aery to see Joran sitting at the casino table in Peru in 2010 looking pretty much identical to him sitting at the casino table in Aruba in 2005. Imagine if Aruba actually had just enforced their own laws and did not allow underage individuals, especially those from Aruba, in the casino, they would never have met.

When my family first started going to Aruba in the 70's and into the 80's and 90's Aruba was more strict on age and they set limits on the number of times a native could go to a casino. They didn't want their citizens to lose all their $'s to the casinos.

It is no coincidence that the deaths of Natalee and Stephany happened on the same day, five years apart. I am in the process of working on a piece called ' A Tale of Two Murders'.


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
He was such a smug smart a-- ... Fancied himself a real stud muffin ... in my view, when Natalee rejected him, he went ballistic and lost it - it seems so very simple and clear.  Then the coverup began, and oh how it ballooned and mushroomed. So cold and so cruel. So vicious.


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)

It was a little aery to see Joran sitting at the casino table in Peru in 2010 looking pretty much identical to him sitting at the casino table in Aruba in 2005. Imagine if Aruba actually had just enforced their own laws and did not allow underage individuals, especially those from Aruba, in the casino, they would never have met.

When my family first started going to Aruba in the 70's and into the 80's and 90's Aruba was more strict on age and they set limits on the number of times a native could go to a casino. They didn't want their citizens to lose all their $'s to the casinos.

It is no coincidence that the deaths of Natalee and Stephany happened on the same day, five years apart. I am in the process of working on a piece called ' A Tale of Two Murders'.

Oh wow, Red-let us know when you complete it!  Sounds splendid.  I love the title.
You are a hero!  ;-)


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Post by: Ono on May 16, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Nytol ... great to see everyone.


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Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
A Ben Franklin bio was on at the same time. Maybe Monkeys were there. I know Monkeys always have Natalee in their hearts.

On post before this, spelling error, senior moment .... I love using that excuse  "made" should have been "make"

I wish to live long enough to see him come to the Alabama! We should send him to Mars which would be a one-way trip.


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Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Remember how the Monkeys, here in the US, made protests outside where Aruba would have a travel booth to boost their tourism?

Maybe, Greta's program tonight, will made someone come forward as a real witness. ::justice2nj2:: dedicated to Monkeys who have gone on before us.

Scared Monkeys Go to Miami to Support Natalee Holloway against Aruban Tourism .. Justice For Natalee
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/30/scared-monkeys-go-to-miami-to-support-natalee-holloway-against-aruban-tourusm-justice-for-natalee/
(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/PeopleforNataleeHolloway_small.jpg)

Scared Monkeys at the Boston Travel Show Reminding Aruba and All … Justice for Natalee Holloway (Part I)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/23/scared-monkeys-at-the-boston-travel-show-reminding-aruba-and-all-justice-for-natalee-holloway-part-i/


Boston Travel Show Part II: Aruba’s Travel Marketing Campaign vs Freedom of Speech
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/25/boston-travel-show-part-ii-arubas-travel-marketing-campaign-vs-freedom-of-speech/
(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/a14_small.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 11:16:44 PM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)

It was a little aery to see Joran sitting at the casino table in Peru in 2010 looking pretty much identical to him sitting at the casino table in Aruba in 2005. Imagine if Aruba actually had just enforced their own laws and did not allow underage individuals, especially those from Aruba, in the casino, they would never have met.

When my family first started going to Aruba in the 70's and into the 80's and 90's Aruba was more strict on age and they set limits on the number of times a native could go to a casino. They didn't want their citizens to lose all their $'s to the casinos.

It is no coincidence that the deaths of Natalee and Stephany happened on the same day, five years apart. I am in the process of working on a piece called ' A Tale of Two Murders'.

Oh wow, Red-let us know when you complete it!  Sounds splendid.  I love the title.
You are a hero!  ;-)

Be sure to put it up here, with a link via your site to Amazon, so you will get a % of the sale. I hope your second book will be about the positive effects that this forum has had on finding missing and exploited children and adults.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: IBE on May 16, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)

It was a little aery to see Joran sitting at the casino table in Peru in 2010 looking pretty much identical to him sitting at the casino table in Aruba in 2005. Imagine if Aruba actually had just enforced their own laws and did not allow underage individuals, especially those from Aruba, in the casino, they would never have met.

When my family first started going to Aruba in the 70's and into the 80's and 90's Aruba was more strict on age and they set limits on the number of times a native could go to a casino. They didn't want their citizens to lose all their $'s to the casinos.

It is no coincidence that the deaths of Natalee and Stephany happened on the same day, five years apart. I am in the process of working on a piece called ' A Tale of Two Murders'.

Oh wow, Red-let us know when you complete it!  Sounds splendid.  I love the title.
You are a hero!  ;-)

Oh, thought it was a book. How about book Red on your experiences?

Be sure to put it up here, with a link via your site to Amazon, so you will get a % of the sale. I hope your second book will be about the positive effects that this forum has had on finding missing and exploited children and adults.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 11:22:15 PM
This is a blogtalk radio show from a couple days ago, and haven't listened to it all yet, but thought others might be interested.

Robin Sax mentions SM sleuthers, Dana, and Red, in some of the early comments.

(I don't really care for the host so far, and he obviously hasn't followed Natalee's case very closely since he doesn't even have the correct date of her disappearance.) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGqD5E1RE5w

Robin Sax & Stacey Honowitz talk Natalee Holloway 10 years Later on KJR!!!

Published on May 15, 2015
Stacey & Robin & King Discuss 10 years Later a case that Amazed The US & Aruba The Story of Natalee Holloway who went missing 10 years ago on May 25 2005


http://www.youtube.com/v/lGqD5E1RE5w

Thanks to Robin Sax for the shout out and remembering who was there in the beginning and at the forefront of the Natalee Holloway missing persons case. I have to admit, this is a tough listen. Robin and Stacy did a nice job and the funny part was there is a part in this interview where they take over and keep talking and following up each other.

 It should make everyone say thank you and give Dana Pretzer big time kudos for the work he does on the radio. Dana has the facts, the dates, the personality, the where with all to know what to ask and how to say it and he'd got the pipes.

What was up with the intro's like it was announcing players at a basketball team? YIKES!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

Robin made a great point and she is 100% correct ... this was the first social media case and it was long before Facebook.

This case put web sleuthing and the Internet as a media tool on the map. I can't begin to tell you the number of shows that contacted SM and wanted to use us as background material, of course not giving us credit because their bosses would have gone mental that they got their news and sources from the web. Remember, 10 years ago the MSM did not really have a web presence and it was not at all interactive like it is today.

I have so many stories like this that would just astound people as to how it happened. A major news organization that will go unnamed once contacted us as to how in the hell we were beating them to the story with all the resources and $'s they had in play.

many stories to follow because in the end, we sadly never found Natalee, but what came of it was a new way to investigate, cover and provide law enforcement and families with new tools.

 ::rhino:: 

YES, a huge shoutout to Dana Pretzer for being totally awesome!   ::MonkeyCool::

I sat here shaking my head and saying OMG what's he doing on radio...listening to this guy.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

At least he was able to get some really good guests.  And it was worth the listen, nice remembering the early days of this investigation here in the Scared Monkeys Forum; and all the years of going over ever detail trying to find Natalee and get justice for her.

Missed the first one, so I'm waiting on the second run of Greta's show in a little over an hour, from what I'm reading...no Renfro?  That's a relief!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks to everyone that posted an update from the show!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2015, 11:26:43 PM
A Ben Franklin bio was on at the same time. Maybe Monkeys were there. I know Monkeys always have Natalee in their hearts.

On post before this, spelling error, senior moment .... I love using that excuse  "made" should have been "make"

I wish to live long enough to see him come to the Alabama! We should send him to Mars which would be a one-way trip.

Good to see you, IBE!   ::HelloKitty::

We can "modify" our own posts now, so go look for the post with your mistake and you should see "modify" up there by "quote", click on it and fix your mistake and then click "save" where you would usually click "post".

I absolutely LOVE this new feature.   ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 16, 2015, 11:45:33 PM
Quote
TexasMom

YES, a huge shoutout to Dana Pretzer for being totally awesome!   

I sat here shaking my head and saying OMG what's he doing on radio...listening to this guy.   

At least he was able to get some really good guests.  And it was worth the listen, nice remembering the early days of this investigation here in the Scared Monkeys Forum; and all the years of going over ever detail trying to find Natalee and get justice for her.

Missed the first one, so I'm waiting on the second run of Greta's show in a little over an hour, from what I'm reading...no Renfro?  That's a relief!   

Thanks to everyone that posted an update from the show!

Yeah, that was something, eh?

I sent Dana an email of it and said ... "do not try this at home, these are trained professionals". LOL

Tonight's Greta show was a good recap of Natalee Holloway, but nothing new.

Here is a story from the past regarding Greta. I first met Greta in 2005 when I went to Aruba with TES to search for Natalee. Greta was going her show from Aruba in an outside venue. I met her following one of the shows as she usually had a large crowd waiting to meet and great both her and Beth. As I go closer and closer in the line I saw some of the staff kind of pointing at me and they whispered to her. As I finally got to introduce myself she looked at me and said, I know who you are, You are RED from the Scared Monkeys web site. I nodded my head and said, yup, that's me. I never realized how small she was. It was quite remarkable just how many of the media knew who I was and tried to follow me knowing that I had inside connections.

We chatted for a while and she invited me to a get-together that she and her staff were having later that night. She also introduced me to Beth for the first time. You have to remember my first involvement in the case was through Dave and TES. Beth also was very aware of SM and knew what we did. I gave Beth a big hug and said this was for all the members of SM who were behind her. That was the beginning of my dealings with Beth and the many emails & talks ... most of which were never made public.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 17, 2015, 12:11:49 AM
Until tonight I didn't make the connection between Joran's extortion and the gambling trip to Peru. In a way, Beth's money was well spent. It got him into a mountaintop jail worse than anything Alabama will provide. Well worth it at twice the price. (Except for the price to Stephanie's family of course.)

It was a little aery to see Joran sitting at the casino table in Peru in 2010 looking pretty much identical to him sitting at the casino table in Aruba in 2005. Imagine if Aruba actually had just enforced their own laws and did not allow underage individuals, especially those from Aruba, in the casino, they would never have met.

When my family first started going to Aruba in the 70's and into the 80's and 90's Aruba was more strict on age and they set limits on the number of times a native could go to a casino. They didn't want their citizens to lose all their $'s to the casinos.

It is no coincidence that the deaths of Natalee and Stephany happened on the same day, five years apart. I am in the process of working on a piece called ' A Tale of Two Murders'.

Oh wow, Red-let us know when you complete it!  Sounds splendid.  I love the title.
You are a hero!  ;-)

Oh, thought it was a book. How about book Red on your experiences?

Be sure to put it up here, with a link via your site to Amazon, so you will get a % of the sale. I hope your second book will be about the positive effects that this forum has had on finding missing and exploited children and adults.

'A Tale of Two Murders' will be a post on the Scared Monkeys.com  ::MonkeyWink::

It will basically analyze the Natalee and Stephany murders and show the similarities and glaring differences. One difference cost Joran Van der Sloot is freedom.

A book, you never know.

I think most people would be stunned if they ever knew some of the behind the scene stuff. Especially some of the networks when they got scooped. Many a network contacted me and wanted to know how I was getting the stories before them. What was funny if all remember back is that the news was so fluid on Aruba and breaking that we were talking about it on SM long before the news outlet shows were talking about it at 7, 8 or 9 pm.

There was no Twitter or Facebook back then.

We literally had people sending emails, VIDEOS and pics from Aruba from the top of hotels and showing us the latest searches as they were happening live. That and I had many a contact down there as my family had been traveling there since the 70's.

Way back when Tom and I had to create the Forum as a way to have people discuss the case and provide info and data as we could not keep up with the comments on the Front page blog. It was the first website to really ever incorporate the two. If people remember we had to create posts that were just for comments originally to try and keep up with the 1000's of comments. Every time we refreshed there was another 200 that needed to be moderated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 12:12:10 AM
I hope Greta shows us where some of the friends are today. Married? Children? That's where Natalie would probably be today. What a loss.

Yes it was.

I remember driving Beth back to Alabama from Florida, we were both taking part in one of the searches for Caylee Anthony in FLA. This was not the MB home you see in tonight's Greta special, but the one she lived in after that. I went to her home and saw all the items that were Natalee's, the pics and just broke down. I told her I was so sorry and I felt like I had failed her in not finding Natalee. Being down there in Aruba and going thru that living hell of searching for her, especially in the landfill, was something that changes a person forever.

I meet and know Beth is to love her. She is such a strong person and understood that so many cared and stopped their lives for her and her family to find Natalee. There was never a time whenever I saw or talked to Beth that she didn't ask about the Monkeys. Beth is a special kind of person.

I haven't been through all you have searching for her, Red, but this case definitely changed me too.

I'd never posted on an internet forum, or researched an MP case.  It seems like a lifetime ago now!

And I think we've all felt inadequate at times, wishing we could have done more to bring Natalee home where she belongs.

My oldest also graduated HS in 2005, and that drew me in at first.  Beth, and her love for Natalee, understanding as a mom her determination to find her; and learning more about sweet beautiful Natalee, kept my interest.  There were years that I know my family secretly resented the amount of time I spent captivated by and going through every detail of this case.  I could sense their frustration at times.  But after five years, when Aruba's failure to prosecute allowed Joran to murder Stephany too, that was the wake up call for them.  They have always been supportive, but after that they started trying to be helpful too, making sure I didn't miss anything that came out about Natalee's or Stephany's cases, and that was heartwarming.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 12:26:25 AM
Quote
TexasMom

YES, a huge shoutout to Dana Pretzer for being totally awesome!   

I sat here shaking my head and saying OMG what's he doing on radio...listening to this guy.   

At least he was able to get some really good guests.  And it was worth the listen, nice remembering the early days of this investigation here in the Scared Monkeys Forum; and all the years of going over ever detail trying to find Natalee and get justice for her.

Missed the first one, so I'm waiting on the second run of Greta's show in a little over an hour, from what I'm reading...no Renfro?  That's a relief!   

Thanks to everyone that posted an update from the show!

Yeah, that was something, eh?

I sent Dana an email of it and said ... "do not try this at home, these are trained professionals". LOL

Tonight's Greta show was a good recap of Natalee Holloway, but nothing new.

Here is a story from the past regarding Greta. I first met Greta in 2005 when I went to Aruba with TES to search for Natalee. Greta was going her show from Aruba in an outside venue. I met her following one of the shows as she usually had a large crowd waiting to meet and great both her and Beth. As I go closer and closer in the line I saw some of the staff kind of pointing at me and they whispered to her. As I finally got to introduce myself she looked at me and said, I know who you are, You are RED from the Scared Monkeys web site. I nodded my head and said, yup, that's me. I never realized how small she was. It was quite remarkable just how many of the media knew who I was and tried to follow me knowing that I had inside connections.

We chatted for a while and she invited me to a get-together that she and her staff were having later that night. She also introduced me to Beth for the first time. You have to remember my first involvement in the case was through Dave and TES. Beth also was very aware of SM and knew what we did. I gave Beth a big hug and said this was for all the members of SM who were behind her. That was the beginning of my dealings with Beth and the many emails & talks ... most of which were never made public.

I bet Dana gets a kick out of that one, Red.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences.  Scared Monkeys was definitely the place to be for breaking news early in the case.  I was here even when I was too scared to post, and it was hard to keep up!  Finally got a login and then got shutout after the crash for over a year or so, but finally got back in.  So glad to be a part of this wonderful group, thanks for having us!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 03:54:05 AM
I thought it was absolutely excellent-so good to see her two friends, Claire Fierman and Mollie Tucker; Beth looks so good-her attitude is so inspiring; I need to purchase that book Portrait of a Monster, by Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer as in their interview quips they sounded very in tune with the facts and have Joran's diabolical persona down pat. And..... John Q. Kelly is still gorgeous ...and nice.

I agree Ono, glad I was able to catch the replay. 

Hope someone will put it on Youtube as well, for Klaas and others that might have missed it. 

I bought the book and posted some excerpts here while reading it.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11854.0

Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer gave us a closer look at Stephany's family details in the early days after her murder, and we gain more of an understanding of how LE worked in her case from the book imo. 

Hoping there will be some updates soon from Stephany's family and how they're doing too.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: jamcakes on May 17, 2015, 08:52:04 AM
I watched the show twice, and although it was good, it offered nothing new.  I did find some of Joran's answers more revealing in his duplicity, or maybe I was just reading between the lines after following the strange twists in the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 12:32:51 PM
I thought it was absolutely excellent-so good to see her two friends, Claire Fierman and Mollie Tucker; Beth looks so good-her attitude is so inspiring; I need to purchase that book Portrait of a Monster, by Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer as in their interview quips they sounded very in tune with the facts and have Joran's diabolical persona down pat. And..... John Q. Kelly is still gorgeous ...and nice.

I agree Ono, glad I was able to catch the replay. 

Hope someone will put it on Youtube as well, for Klaas and others that might have missed it. 

I bought the book and posted some excerpts here while reading it.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11854.0

Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer gave us a closer look at Stephany's family details in the early days after her murder, and we gain more of an understanding of how LE worked in her case from the book imo. 

Hoping there will be some updates soon from Stephany's family and how they're doing too.



Wow, Texasmom, thank you for your time and trouble in posting those excerpts.  Now I simply must purchase that book-what in-depth research they did.  One can only conclude that nobody ever taught Joran from a wee age that he should control his temper. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 12:39:42 PM
Red:
Write that behind-the-scenes book! Nothing would be more fascinating and interesting!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 01:17:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)


 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)


 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

https://www.facebook.com/tito.lacle/videos/725476514241722/

Tito Lacle uploaded a new video.
14 hrs · Primavera ·
Remembering 10 years dissapearance of Natalee Holloway. At least Aruba gets some 'free tourism publicity' out of this.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2015, 02:39:26 PM
I'm sorry I missed the show last night! It sounds like nothing really new, but at least it renews attention to the case and I can come here for "real" analysis and recaps.
How great is it to come here and see at least 3 pages of new posts!!
Again, thank-you Red for all you have done and continue to do!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

https://www.facebook.com/tito.lacle/videos/725476514241722/

Tito Lacle uploaded a new video.
14 hrs · Primavera ·
Remembering 10 years dissapearance of Natalee Holloway. At least Aruba gets some 'free tourism publicity' out of this.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg.html)

Yes a reminder to all that it's not a safe place for young women  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
I'm sorry I missed the show last night! It sounds like nothing really new, but at least it renews attention to the case and I can come here for "real" analysis and recaps.
How great is it to come here and see at least 3 pages of new posts!!
Again, thank-you Red for all you have done and continue to do!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm sorry I missed it too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
Koen was probably thinking the monkeys were the only ones still on his back 10 years later...   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/05172015%2001_zpsqizwswhb.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Gottenbos/05172015%2001_zpsqizwswhb.jpg.html)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152542000836309&set=a.10150613480051309.390086.729896308&type=1&theater

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10406729_10152542000836309_8564670539590860487_n.jpg?oh=73269157089d3687a54cc95762525788&oe=55C521BF&__gda__=1443278603_ce36585c539f84ba1397150c32246b92)

Koen Gottenbos
November 18, 2014 · Edited ·

missing my Island roots on these cold days..!!

https://www.facebook.com/mohamed.abdulhamid.104/posts/1541642416096145

Mohamed Abdulhamid shared Koen Gottenbos's photo.
February 13 ·

Mohamed Abdulhamid Why, you are missing your Island? Because you are the MISSING PUZZLE of Nathalee's Dead. You are the only Withness in this case who can tell us what Happened. You and your Familly Sold the house and Boat where you were living.
February 13 at 12:06pm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 06:09:51 PM
Thanks TM!  Koen, Sander and the rest of his family have moved on.  They up and moved from Aruba so quickly after it happened.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2015, 06:28:07 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)
Wow - there are so many people I wish we could re-visit 10 years later. Maybe people are more willing to talk now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)
Wow - there are so many people I wish we could re-visit 10 years later. Maybe people are more willing to talk now.

YES!  Wouldn't that be awesome finally!  If some have finally gotten so fed up the Joran and what he did to tell what they know?  I personally believe the Government in Aruba put pressure on people not to talk. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
I think he's probably retired, and it looks like he has at least two pages.

https://www.facebook.com/mohamed.abdulhamid.319

https://www.facebook.com/mohamed.abdulhamid.104





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 07:52:06 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)
Wow - there are so many people I wish we could re-visit 10 years later. Maybe people are more willing to talk now.

YES!  Wouldn't that be awesome finally!  If some have finally gotten so fed up the Joran and what he did to tell what they know?  I personally believe the Government in Aruba put pressure on people not to talk. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 17, 2015, 08:17:34 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - just got off the phone with TJ - needed something else and had a chance to ask about Natalee. That was TJ in the video last week with the search and rescue dog in the new video with Dave.

Also - he does believe this new witness - did a voice layered analysis and he is telling the truth. At least the truth as he knows it. They don't know when they are going - but they are going.

I also offered my Hyatt Gold Passport points to TJ and Dave if they need additional days on the island. They could stay another four or five days with these points. I don't have a lot - but they are available to Dave and TJ. It's the right thing to do.

TJ did say that that area was not searched and I asked to check with Tim Miller - and TJ replied that they think it's a fresh and new targeted area. They have the blueprints and are hopeful this could be something new.

Personally, I think this area was searched, many times, TES was stationed nearby - but it needs checked again because of the new witness.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - just got off the phone with TJ - needed something else and had a chance to ask about Natalee. That was TJ in the video last week with the search and rescue dog in the new video with Dave.

Also - he does believe this new witness - did a voice layered analysis and he is telling the truth. At least the truth as he knows it. They don't know when they are going - but they are going.

I also offered my Hyatt Gold Passport points to TJ and Dave if they need additional days on the island. They could stay another four or five days with these points. I don't have a lot - but they are available to Dave and TJ. It's the right thing to do.

TJ did say that that area was not searched and I asked to check with Tim Miller - and TJ replied that they think it's a fresh and new targeted area. They have the blueprints and are hopeful this could be something new.

Personally, I think this area was searched, many times, TES was stationed nearby - but it needs checked again because of the new witness.

Thanks for the info Rob!  Didn't someone post that Dave was told that they could not search? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Thanks TM!  Koen, Sander and the rest of his family have moved on.  They up and moved from Aruba so quickly after it happened.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're welcome, Klaas.   ::HelloKitty::

Yes, they got out of there and went on with their lives like nothing ever happened.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbosfamily_07282005-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 08:30:37 PM
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

https://www.facebook.com/tito.lacle/videos/725476514241722/

Tito Lacle uploaded a new video.
14 hrs · Primavera ·
Remembering 10 years dissapearance of Natalee Holloway. At least Aruba gets some 'free tourism publicity' out of this.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/05172015_zpsva0kcjkw.jpg.html)

What a cold, cynical thing for him to say. And he thinks this is good advertisement?  How pathetic ... Please bring me the ipecac! Oi.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

Google translation:

May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

Quote
The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.

Maybe I was thinking of this post.  Doesn't say they won't allow it though so hopefully they will.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - just got off the phone with TJ - needed something else and had a chance to ask about Natalee. That was TJ in the video last week with the search and rescue dog in the new video with Dave.

Also - he does believe this new witness - did a voice layered analysis and he is telling the truth. At least the truth as he knows it. They don't know when they are going - but they are going.

I also offered my Hyatt Gold Passport points to TJ and Dave if they need additional days on the island. They could stay another four or five days with these points. I don't have a lot - but they are available to Dave and TJ. It's the right thing to do.

TJ did say that that area was not searched and I asked to check with Tim Miller - and TJ replied that they think it's a fresh and new targeted area. They have the blueprints and are hopeful this could be something new.

Personally, I think this area was searched, many times, TES was stationed nearby - but it needs checked again because of the new witness.

Thanks for the info Rob!  Didn't someone post that Dave was told that they could not search? 

Yes, Dave said that they checked into the Marriott as guests and walked around with the cadaver dog in the unrestricted areas that guests are allowed into, but were not allowed to search where they actually wanted to search.

I've been trying to figure out why they went if it wasn't a planned search with permits and all the "required" BS down there.  And now they're going back again?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 08:33:33 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)
Wow - there are so many people I wish we could re-visit 10 years later. Maybe people are more willing to talk now.

YES!  Wouldn't that be awesome finally!  If some have finally gotten so fed up the Joran and what he did to tell what they know?  I personally believe the Government in Aruba put pressure on people not to talk. 

I absolutely agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 17, 2015, 08:36:05 PM
Interesting....this Mohamed Abdulhamid worked or works for the Police in Aruba.   KPA = https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba (https://www.facebook.com/korpspolitiearuba)
Wow - there are so many people I wish we could re-visit 10 years later. Maybe people are more willing to talk now.

YES!  Wouldn't that be awesome finally!  If some have finally gotten so fed up the Joran and what he did to tell what they know?  I personally believe the Government in Aruba put pressure on people not to talk. 

 ::rhino::



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 17, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
One or two other points - TJ did mention that the new witness was a drug dealer. I didn't really pry that out if him - it's conversational. That seems to be why he didn't come forward before. I think that's been posted here before. I replied that everyone is a criminal of some sort - and that doesn't excuse it.

Also, I was there from 1999 and 2005 on a regular basis - I saw alot of construction. Yet, I don't remember any like what was described by this new witness. And I was staying next door. Some kept me up at night and some ruined the days on the beach. But staying on Palm Beach so many times I don't remember this exact construction that could hide Natelee. I was up and down that beach all the time. Seem far-fetched to me. I saw the Radisson re-acquisitioned and finally completed. That was more noise than anyone could bear, on vacation.

As I mentioned I boycotted Aruba after Natalee. So I haven't been back for 10 years now. Last time was 10-20 days after Natelee was missing in  2005. If you remember I gave my gambling winnings to TES and did as much as I could at Tierra Del Sol when they were there. I also bought all the bottled water on Palm Beach to give to the dogs.

Let's hope something positive happens.

Anyway - if I find out anything more - I'll surely let you know.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 17, 2015, 08:45:41 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - just got off the phone with TJ - needed something else and had a chance to ask about Natalee. That was TJ in the video last week with the search and rescue dog in the new video with Dave.

Also - he does believe this new witness - did a voice layered analysis and he is telling the truth. At least the truth as he knows it. They don't know when they are going - but they are going.

I also offered my Hyatt Gold Passport points to TJ and Dave if they need additional days on the island. They could stay another four or five days with these points. I don't have a lot - but they are available to Dave and TJ. It's the right thing to do.

TJ did say that that area was not searched and I asked to check with Tim Miller - and TJ replied that they think it's a fresh and new targeted area. They have the blueprints and are hopeful this could be something new.

Personally, I think this area was searched, many times, TES was stationed nearby - but it needs checked again because of the new witness.

Thanks for the info Rob!  Didn't someone post that Dave was told that they could not search? 

No idea Klaas - TJ says they are searching - just doesn't know when. I don't know every detail and readily admit that. I need a phone number and a person searched for a criminal background - so while I asked that I threw a few more out there for TJ. This is a long story but kind of based on some of the stuff I told you in a previous email a few months ago.

It's Sunday nite and it's kind of improper to ask too much of someone on short notice outside of business hours - even though he owes me like 50 favors. I cash them in sparingly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 08:49:01 PM
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

Google translation:

May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

Quote
The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.

Maybe I was thinking of this post.  Doesn't say they won't allow it though so hopefully they will.

Why haven't they done it already?

Seriously.  What could be better for tourism than to be able to say before the 10th anniversary that they finally gave this family peace?  But if that was even a thought, it would have already been done IMO. 

If there's a chance she's there, the witness getting caught trying to drill through the floor should have set a fire under them, right?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 08:49:31 PM
Hi Rob!  That was so kind and generous of you and am glad to hear that they are returning.  Soon, I hope, and hope TJ & Dave can overcome the island's phony baloney, good time rock 'n roll red tape carp which, like clock work, always pops up at the last minute just when it appears maybe a little progress could be around the corner.  Deja vu all over again ... Grrr.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 17, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Hi Monks and Monkettes - just got off the phone with TJ - needed something else and had a chance to ask about Natalee. That was TJ in the video last week with the search and rescue dog in the new video with Dave.

Also - he does believe this new witness - did a voice layered analysis and he is telling the truth. At least the truth as he knows it. They don't know when they are going - but they are going.

I also offered my Hyatt Gold Passport points to TJ and Dave if they need additional days on the island. They could stay another four or five days with these points. I don't have a lot - but they are available to Dave and TJ. It's the right thing to do.

TJ did say that that area was not searched and I asked to check with Tim Miller - and TJ replied that they think it's a fresh and new targeted area. They have the blueprints and are hopeful this could be something new.

Personally, I think this area was searched, many times, TES was stationed nearby - but it needs checked again because of the new witness.

Thanks for the info Rob!  Didn't someone post that Dave was told that they could not search? 

Yes, Dave said that they checked into the Marriott as guests and walked around with the cadaver dog in the unrestricted areas that guests are allowed into, but were not allowed to search where they actually wanted to search.

I've been trying to figure out why they went if it wasn't a planned search with permits and all the "required" BS down there.  And now they're going back again?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Confused here too - TJ said they are staying at the Marriott the next time too. That's why I offered my points if they need additional nights. By the way - TJ can afford to stay as long as they want. The offer is good - but TJ doesn't need it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I'm sorry I missed the show last night! It sounds like nothing really new, but at least it renews attention to the case and I can come here for "real" analysis and recaps.
How great is it to come here and see at least 3 pages of new posts!!
Again, thank-you Red for all you have done and continue to do!  ::MonkeyCool::

No, nothing new Wreck, but it was so well done I hope you get to see it. Truly crisp and excellent.
Her two friends' segments were particularly touching. Precious girls.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 17, 2015, 08:59:39 PM
Hi Rob!  That was so kind and generous of you and am glad to hear that they are returning.  Soon, I hope, and hope TJ & Dave can overcome the island's phony baloney, good time rock 'n roll red tape carp which, like clock work, always pops up at the last minute just when it appears maybe a little progress could be around the corner.  Deja vu all over again ... Grrr.

Hi Ono - so glad to see you, again. We lost so many over the years and when I saw you I was so happy.

Cheers to 2NJ and Peaches. And so many others. I once remember making a post that said some of will be gone before Natalee is found. Breaks my heart that it came true. And, ofcourse, BillB's ghost and spirit.

Still missing Carpe. I know Wreck and Keepthefaith are here. But still miss Carpe.

You are all people I never forget.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
Well, coming clean about Natalee would certainly go towards rehabilitating Aruba's reputation ... there are plenty of other places with clear turquoise waters and sugar beaches ... I mean it's not like the the only game in town and don't have oodles of competition!  Too bad they don't wise up.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 17, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
Hi Rob!  That was so kind and generous of you and am glad to hear that they are returning.  Soon, I hope, and hope TJ & Dave can overcome the island's phony baloney, good time rock 'n roll red tape carp which, like clock work, always pops up at the last minute just when it appears maybe a little progress could be around the corner.  Deja vu all over again ... Grrr.

Hi Ono - so glad to see you, again. We lost so many over the years and when I saw you I was so happy.

Cheers to 2NJ and Peaches. And so many others. I once remember making a post that said some of will be gone before Natalee is found. Breaks my heart that it came true. And, ofcourse, BillB's ghost and spirit.

Still missing Carpe. I know Wreck and Keepthefaith are here. But still miss Carpe.

You are all people I never forget.

Oh, thank you so much Rob - I have missed you and always enjoyed your posts so very much.

Yes, poignant and loving cheers to all ...  Our Monkey Family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
I'm sorry I missed the show last night! It sounds like nothing really new, but at least it renews attention to the case and I can come here for "real" analysis and recaps.
How great is it to come here and see at least 3 pages of new posts!!
Again, thank-you Red for all you have done and continue to do!  ::MonkeyCool::

No, nothing new Wreck, but it was so well done I hope you get to see it. Truly crisp and excellent.
Her two friends' segments were particularly touching. Precious girls.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Hi Rob!  That was so kind and generous of you and am glad to hear that they are returning.  Soon, I hope, and hope TJ & Dave can overcome the island's phony baloney, good time rock 'n roll red tape carp which, like clock work, always pops up at the last minute just when it appears maybe a little progress could be around the corner.  Deja vu all over again ... Grrr.

Hi Ono - so glad to see you, again. We lost so many over the years and when I saw you I was so happy.

Cheers to 2NJ and Peaches. And so many others. I once remember making a post that said some of will be gone before Natalee is found. Breaks my heart that it came true. And, ofcourse, BillB's ghost and spirit.

Still missing Carpe. I know Wreck and Keepthefaith are here. But still miss Carpe.

You are all people I never forget.

I miss Carpe too, was just thinking about him today!  ::MonkeyHeart::

So many I'll never forget too, Rob.  And miss often, the ones gone on before us, and some that just haven't logged in lately. 

Hopefully we'll see more pop in soon!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2015, 10:49:03 PM
Hi Rob!  That was so kind and generous of you and am glad to hear that they are returning.  Soon, I hope, and hope TJ & Dave can overcome the island's phony baloney, good time rock 'n roll red tape carp which, like clock work, always pops up at the last minute just when it appears maybe a little progress could be around the corner.  Deja vu all over again ... Grrr.

Hi Ono - so glad to see you, again. We lost so many over the years and when I saw you I was so happy.

Cheers to 2NJ and Peaches. And so many others. I once remember making a post that said some of will be gone before Natalee is found. Breaks my heart that it came true. And, ofcourse, BillB's ghost and spirit.

Still missing Carpe. I know Wreck and Keepthefaith are here. But still miss Carpe.

You are all people I never forget.

Hope all is well, Rob! Still here watching justice take many different forms. Paulus has died and, although we lost another beautiful soul (Stephany Flores) along the way, Urine is in a sh*t hole. Justice will continue to morph as time passes and maybe one day Natalee will come to rest at home. Those on the Persistence will see their day as well. I'm for one thing, and one thing only, Justice for Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: cw618 on May 18, 2015, 04:42:14 PM
this Jurrien de Jong, will prob not remember which building
so someone can look, JMO the guy was looking for $$, so sold
a lie, heck someone would have noticed an odor in new construction


EXCLUSIVE: My new accuser is a 'crackhead and a f****** liar' says alleged killer of Natalee Holloway after dramatic claim he was seen with her body
By RYAN PARRY FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 07:57 EST, 18 May 2015 | UPDATED: 09:14 EST, 18 May 2015
 ::snipping3::
Joran van der Sloot has angrily denied claims that he was spotted carrying the body of American student Natalee Holloway on the night she went missing.
The dramatic allegation was made this week by Jurrien de Jong, a fellow Dutchman who said he saw van der Sloot carrying Natalee's body on the night she vanished.
De Jong, 59, who claimed he didn't go to the police because he was involved in illegal activities at the time, told Inside Edition: 'I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction.
'In about five minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms, and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor, and then he made an opening in a crawl space… I knew she was dead.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3083708/My-new-accuser-crackhead-f-liar-says-alleged-killer-Natalee-Holloway-dramatic-claim-seen-body.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on May 19, 2015, 06:33:02 AM
Good morning Monkeys!  I so appreciate being able to come here and read amongst friends.  I am always praying, praying, praying for answers!  I hope you all are well!  \_/? coffee and (::) monkeybread for everyone!  ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 07:26:16 AM
Good morning Monkeys!  I so appreciate being able to come here and read amongst friends.  I am always praying, praying, praying for answers!  I hope you all are well!  \_/? coffee and (::) monkeybread for everyone!  ::MonkeyHeart::

Good morning, Sharon/Tx!   ::HelloKitty::

Hope everyone has a great day! 

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 19, 2015, 08:08:44 AM
Daily Commentary – Tuesday, May 19, 2015 – We All Remember May 30, 2005 as the Day Natalee Holloway Went Missing in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/19/daily-commentary-tuesday-may-19-2015-we-all-remember-may-30-2005-as-the-day-natalee-holloway-went-missing-in-aruba/

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NHmissing05302005_zpstoougecj.jpg)

"The biggest story yet to be told is Justice" Well said Dana!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 19, 2015, 10:40:51 AM
Excellent piece, Red. Video is effective and on the mark - clarifying summary.  I still sense that they did go to the van der Sloot residence at some point in time.  That would reinforce the reason for the hefty amount of perspiration pouring from Paulus as Beth & Greta described.  Too bad a cadaver dog can't search there ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2015, 03:50:50 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/new_witness_in_natalee_hollowa.html (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/new_witness_in_natalee_hollowa.html)

New witness in Natalee Holloway case not telling the truth, Aruban prosecutor says


Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on May 19, 2015 at 10:56 AM, updated May 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM
Natalee Holloway in 2005

Aruban authorities today dismissed claims by a man who says he saw what happened to Natalee Holloway 10 years ago.

Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof said he asked the Aruban police to look into claims made by Jurrien De Jong to Inside Edition that he saw Joran van der Sloot, the primary suspect in Holloway's disappearance, chase her into a small building under construction. He says van der Sloot then reemerged with Holloway in his arms, slammed her body on the floor then made an opening in a crawl space.

He has previously told media this building is the Spyglass Tower of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba. "I saw Natalee Holloway on the last night that she was alive. I was the eyewitness," Jurrien De Jong told Inside Edition. "I knew she was dead."

De Jong said he never went to the police because he was involved in illegal activities at the time. He says he has come forward now because of a recent TV report where van der Sloot claims he was part of an undercover operation in which Holloway was buried at sea. Holloway disappeared in Aruba in May 2005 during a trip with graduating seniors from Mountain Brook High School.

De Jong's claims led Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, to return to Aruba earlier this month with Atlanta private investigator T.J. Ward and a cadaver dog. "He's telling the truth,'' Ward told AL.com earlier this week, saying that he conducted voice analysis on De Jong.

Earlier this week, the Daily Mail reported that van der Sloot also debunked De Jong's claims. Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, said: 'Joran doesn't care at all about what is going on in Aruba, because none of it is true. 'He told me he knows this guy. He's a crack head, a f***ing liar, a compulsive liar. He's homeless and wants money to buy drugs."

In a press release issued today by Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for Olthof, said the prosecutor studied the Holloway dossier, or case, following De Jong's statement "as a supposed eye witness", and examined a notarized statement given by De Jong.

"Even though Mr. De Jong has not presented more plausible proof of his claims (his current testimony is identical to the one he gave in 2013 to the Prosecutor's Office), Chief Prosecutor Olthof commissioned the police to contact the management of the Marriott -considering the type of case, the importance of the case and the long duration of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway- with the request to supply information about the state of the construction site of the Spyglass Tower of the Marriott hotel on the 30th of May 2005,'' Angela said in the press release. "In short: what was built and what was not yet built on that 30th of May 2005, the night of the disappearance of Natalee?"
 ::snipping3::
Angela said that if new tips and leads that are "sufficiently concrete and well-founded surface in the (near) future" should arise, they will be investigated by the police and prosecutor's office in the hopes of finally closing the case and bring the suspect or suspects to justice. "At the moment however, the Police and the Prosecutor's Office unfortunately do not have any new tips or leads in this case,'' she said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2015, 03:53:29 PM
FYI - tomorrow night Dana will have guests on his show discussing the Natalee Holloway case.  Maybe TJ Ward and Dave Holloway if he can get them.  So don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tomorrow at 9pm ET!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 07:42:12 PM
Daily Commentary – Tuesday, May 19, 2015 – We All Remember May 30, 2005 as the Day Natalee Holloway Went Missing in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/19/daily-commentary-tuesday-may-19-2015-we-all-remember-may-30-2005-as-the-day-natalee-holloway-went-missing-in-aruba/

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NHmissing05302005_zpstoougecj.jpg)

"The biggest story yet to be told is Justice" Well said Dana!!!



 ::rhino::

Great job, Dana!  Very well said, as always.   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
FYI - tomorrow night Dana will have guests on his show discussing the Natalee Holloway case.  Maybe TJ Ward and Dave Holloway if he can get them.  So don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tomorrow at 9pm ET!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 07:57:17 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/new_witness_in_natalee_hollowa.html

New witness in Natalee Holloway case not telling the truth, Aruban prosecutor says

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com

on May 19, 2015 at 10:56 AM, updated May 19, 2015 at 4:45 PM

 ::snipping3::

Quote
Recently the Prosecutor's Office received the requested information from the management of the Marriott based in Orlando. "From this information, it becomes indisputably clear that on the 30th of May 2005, no construction or building activities were started at the location that Mr. De Jong has specifically pointed out as the spot where Natalee Holloway would have been hidden and/or buried,'' according to Angela's press release. "More concretely: the foundation of the Spyglass Tower (that still had to be built at the time) and of the staircase of the Spyglass Tower was not in place. This means that Natalee Holloway could never have been hidden and/or buried there."

"This leads to the conclusion that the claims made by Mr. De Jong of what he saw on the night of 30th of May 2005, cannot be correct, and that his testimony, considering the afore-mentioned, does not add to the solving of this case,'' Angela wrote. "Further investigation (in any manner whatsoever) under the staircase of the Spyglass Tower will not lead to finding the body of Natalee Holloway.

Angela said that if new tips and leads that are "sufficiently concrete and well-founded surface in the (near) future" should arise, they will be investigated by the police and prosecutor's office in the hopes of finally closing the case and bring the suspect or suspects to justice. "At the moment however, the Police and the Prosecutor's Office unfortunately do not have any new tips or leads in this case,'' she said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 08:07:08 PM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/12/natalee-holloways-dad-reacts-claims-alleged-witness

Natalee Holloway's Dad on New Lead: 'Things Are Starting to Make Sense'

May 12, 2015 As seen on The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson

 ::snipping3::

Quote
Dave Holloway said that he recently went to Aruba with a canine to search for his daughter, but that they weren’t permitted to search “restricted areas.”

Holloway told Gretchen Carlson that he went on Google Earth and pulled up the exact location where the alleged witness claims he saw van der Sloot and Natalee.

“Lo and behold, [the location] was under construction at the time,” Holloway told Carlson.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2015, 09:24:43 PM
FYI - tomorrow night Dana will have guests on his show discussing the Natalee Holloway case.  Maybe TJ Ward and Dave Holloway if he can get them.  So don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tomorrow at 9pm ET!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


TJ Ward is confirmed for tomorrows show.  Sounds like Dave Holloway may be busy. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2015, 09:57:52 PM
FYI - tomorrow night Dana will have guests on his show discussing the Natalee Holloway case.  Maybe TJ Ward and Dave Holloway if he can get them.  So don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tomorrow at 9pm ET!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


TJ Ward is confirmed for tomorrows show.  Sounds like Dave Holloway may be busy. 

That's too bad if Dave can't make it, but I'll look forward to hearing what TJ has to say.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
http://wkrn.com/2015/05/19/dad-cautiously-renews-hope-in-finding-missing-daughter-natalee-holloway/

Dad ‘cautiously renews hope’ in finding missing daughter Natalee Holloway
Published: May 19, 2015, 7:50 pm  |  Updated: May 19, 2015, 8:06 pm

(https://mgtvwkrn.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/daveholloway.jpg?w=300&h=169)
Dave Holloway said he hopes to find closure in his daughter’s disappearance. (Courtesy: WIAT)
::snipping3::

Holloway says he remembers seeing the construction area surrounded by the fence. He also remembers that no one felt led to look inside the fence because they didn’t think anyone could get in that area.

“Whether I believe him or not, I can’t struggle with the ‘what if.’ What if it is true? And what can I do to satisfy my mind in a potential clue that could solve the case,” said Holloway.

Holloway says the Marriott is waiting on a warrant from Aruban police before they will allow a search.

“For them to indicate that they will make their decision in a month or two kind of tells me that they have no intentions of doing it. Simply to not do it, they need to give me a reason. A very good reason,” Holloway said.

While there have been many promising leads that have come and gone throughout the past ten years, Holloways says one thing that has never changed is the love for his daughter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 19, 2015, 11:26:09 PM
Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof Dismisses New Witness Jurrien De Jong’s Story that He Saw Joran van der Sloot Kill Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/19/chief-prosecutor-eric-olthof-dismisses-new-witness-jurrien-de-jongs-story-that-he-saw-joran-van-der-sloot-kill-natalee-holloway/

Quote
YOU KNOW SOME ONE IS PROBABLY TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN AN ARUBA PROSECUTOR AND JORAN VAN DER SLOOT BOTH SAY SOMEONE IS LYING.

Today, Aruba Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof dismissed the claims that new witness, Jurrien De Jong, told to Inside Edition that Joran Van der Sloot killed Natalee Holloway at a construction site in Aruba in 2015. Jurrien De Jong previously said, “I saw Natalee Holloway on the last night that she was alive. I was the eyewitness.  De Jong went on to say, “I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction. In about five minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms, and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor, and then he made an opening in a crawl space … I knew she was dead.” However, Eric Olthof does not believe the witness that has come forward, ten years after Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba. Why should any Aruba authority believe anything that anyone says that may solve the Natalee Holloway case? Hell, the previous prosecutors would not prosecute Joran Van der Sloot in the death of Natalee Holloway even after he admitted to the crime, not once , but twice.
::snipping3::

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Quote
In my opinion, why isn’t Jurrien De Jong’s story plausible? Just because Joran Van der Sloot murdered Natalee Holloway at the construction site of the Spyglass Tower of the Marriott hotel on the 30th of May 2005, does not mean that Joran left her body there permanently. His father, Paulus Van der Sloot, is much to intelligent to leave the body of Natalee at a location on land where she could potentially be found. Because after all as Papa Sloot chillingly stated so many years ago, no body, no crime. Natalee may very well have been killed at this construction site and then was buried at sea. Remember Joran Van der Sloot said, “It’s a big ocean”.
::snipping3::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/JVDS-Its-a-big-ocean.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: cw618 on May 19, 2015, 11:56:44 PM
if you search term... marriott aruba surf club construction 2005 ....
there are a lot of comments at travelers forums about that work
from reading i think thats the yr the surf club was starting to be
built,and several areas of the surf club are timeshare rentals
did sloots and fam own a piece of the timeshare investment
or a timeshare or 2 or more


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2015, 01:01:13 AM
It would behoove the two leprechauns to come forward, before they meet an untimely departure from the island of Aruba. They are no longer useful to anyone. Speak now, or you will forever hold your peace, literally.

::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2015, 01:06:55 AM
aruba politicians and police will never follow up on any leads that point to Natalee's whereabouts...the island of aruba is dammed..they hold  tourism above everything.....they will all rot in HELL.....so the take away for all good monkeys..urine has been dealt justice in Peru....and then in Alabama....paulus was an ass and is DEAD!(Thank you Lord) anita is an ass and her judgement is scheduled (Thank you Lord)..kpols bros are toast at judgement (Thank you Lord) and Koen and Sanders have lots of explaining to do..judgement will bite them and family in the ass!(Thank you Lord)
katieb-proud daughter of bill


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2015, 01:20:32 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Natalee Holloway's parents celebrate birth of grandchild as Marriott Aruba Surf Club agrees to dig up property where new witness says missing teen's body was buried, dad reveals

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087951/Natalee-Holloway-s-parents-celebrate-birth-grandchild-Marriott-Aruba-Surf-Club-agrees-dig-property-new-witness-says-missing-teen-s-body-buried-dad-reveals.html

Is this really true ...Marriott Aruba Surf Club agrees to dig up property. How is it going to be possible?

How comical is it to hear Joran Van der Sloot call some one else "a f***ing liar, a compulsive liar?"

Quote
Van der Sloot has dismissed de Jong's story. 'He told me he knows this guy. He's a crack head, a f***ing liar, a compulsive liar,' his lawyer Maximo Altez said. 'He's homeless and wants money to buy drugs.

'You know the mind of a crack head, he'll do anything to get money, and that's all he wants,' added Altez. 'You shouldn't waste your time listening to him. Joran is innocent, he didn't do that crime.'

Dave Holloway, though, dismisses van der Sloot. 'All we have ever heard are Joran and his lies,' he told Daily Mail Online.
::snipping3::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:16:38 AM
Daily Commentary – Wednesday, May 20, 2015 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with TJ Ward on the Natalee Holloway Case

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/20/daily-commentary-wednesday-may-20-2015-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-tj-ward-on-the-natalee-holloway-case/

Don’t miss tonight’s show with International Private Detective, TJ Ward discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the witness that has come forward with new information

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TJWard_zps6c0cgibo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 11:43:23 AM
Looking forward to hearing what T.J. has to say; Ten years ... still hard to believe ... wow.
I bet de Jong is telling the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2015, 12:31:48 PM
Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof Dismisses New Witness Jurrien De Jong’s Story that He Saw Joran van der Sloot Kill Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/19/chief-prosecutor-eric-olthof-dismisses-new-witness-jurrien-de-jongs-story-that-he-saw-joran-van-der-sloot-kill-natalee-holloway/

Quote
YOU KNOW SOME ONE IS PROBABLY TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN AN ARUBA PROSECUTOR AND JORAN VAN DER SLOOT BOTH SAY SOMEONE IS LYING.

Today, Aruba Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof dismissed the claims that new witness, Jurrien De Jong, told to Inside Edition that Joran Van der Sloot killed Natalee Holloway at a construction site in Aruba in 2015. Jurrien De Jong previously said, “I saw Natalee Holloway on the last night that she was alive. I was the eyewitness.  De Jong went on to say, “I saw that Joran was chasing Natalee into a small building under construction. In about five minutes he came out with Natalee in his arms, and slammed the body of Natalee on the floor, and then he made an opening in a crawl space … I knew she was dead.” However, Eric Olthof does not believe the witness that has come forward, ten years after Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba. Why should any Aruba authority believe anything that anyone says that may solve the Natalee Holloway case? Hell, the previous prosecutors would not prosecute Joran Van der Sloot in the death of Natalee Holloway even after he admitted to the crime, not once , but twice.
::snipping3::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/JVDS-It-will-take-10-years-300x230.jpg)

Quote
In my opinion, why isn’t Jurrien De Jong’s story plausible? Just because Joran Van der Sloot murdered Natalee Holloway at the construction site of the Spyglass Tower of the Marriott hotel on the 30th of May 2005, does not mean that Joran left her body there permanently. His father, Paulus Van der Sloot, is much to intelligent to leave the body of Natalee at a location on land where she could potentially be found. Because after all as Papa Sloot chillingly stated so many years ago, no body, no crime. Natalee may very well have been killed at this construction site and then was buried at sea. Remember Joran Van der Sloot said, “It’s a big ocean”.
::snipping3::

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/JVDS-Its-a-big-ocean.jpg)

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/15ch4pj.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
Daily Commentary – Wednesday, May 20, 2015 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with TJ Ward on the Natalee Holloway Case

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/20/daily-commentary-wednesday-may-20-2015-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-tj-ward-on-the-natalee-holloway-case/

Don’t miss tonight’s show with International Private Detective, TJ Ward discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the witness that has come forward with new information

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TJWard_zps6c0cgibo.jpg)

Now confirmed that Robin Holloway Sax will join TJ Ward and Dana to discuss Natalee tonight on the Dana Pretzer show!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2015, 02:12:27 PM
if you search term... marriott aruba surf club construction 2005 ....
there are a lot of comments at travelers forums about that work
from reading i think thats the yr the surf club was starting to be
built,and several areas of the surf club are timeshare rentals
did sloots and fam own a piece of the timeshare investment
or a timeshare or 2 or more


HALIEGH UNCAPHER was a student that stayed in Aruba. Her parent were coming to
meet her and stay at their timeshare.
HALIEGH UNCAPHER is the only known MBHS
Aruba 2005 trip participant to acutally help search the island for Natalee.
(http://i2.tinypic.com/sl4mtu.jpg)

I remember a group of sleuths were looking into a Marriott timeshare that was said
to of had a group of the Mountain Brook teens partying at the night Natalee disappeared.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2015, 02:15:18 PM
TomR
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MF: I wasn’t trying to trap you on trick you in any way by asking your opinion of the PVs.  I had never read your previous comments concerning them.

But I do have one more OT question for you if you don’t mind.  My wife and I were at the Marriott Surf Club last week.  We noticed that the land adjacent to the Surf Club was cleared.  I think it had to be recent, as I don’t remember it that way in June.  Do you know if condos are to be built there or is that just an extension of the new malls?  With the two new malls going up and the final Surf Club building soon to be completed, that area is going to soon see a lot more traffic.


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An interesting find at TBHS...
The kid is 19 and there's every reason to think Joran might know him. He would be an excellent go-to guy in a bad situation. However, this company would be an excellent go-to guy for the MB mafia should they need to quietly vanish a body. And if we're looking for a logical "major friend" for Charles Croes, the owner of this company would certainly qualify as the visibility teams were initially involved in the search for Natalee. Is this why regular police were not contacted? Because the chaperone was already working w/a private company?

Like I said, the name "van Cromvoirt" is very interesting, especially seeing as how they're running security on a building site (Marriott) that is a project of a huge Birmingham construction firm, with one overseas office--in Noord, Aruba.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=841

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/t7fono.jpg)

DAVE, BACK IN ARUBA LOOKING FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Daily Commentary – Wednesday, May 20, 2015 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with TJ Ward on the Natalee Holloway Case

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/20/daily-commentary-wednesday-may-20-2015-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-tj-ward-on-the-natalee-holloway-case/

Don’t miss tonight’s show with International Private Detective, TJ Ward discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the witness that has come forward with new information

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TJWard_zps6c0cgibo.jpg)

Now confirmed that Robin Holloway Sax will join TJ Ward and Dana to discuss Natalee tonight on the Dana Pretzer show!  (edited)

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ai4n4i.jpg)

Dave and Robin Holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 04:47:39 PM
Daily Commentary – Wednesday, May 20, 2015 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with TJ Ward on the Natalee Holloway Case

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/20/daily-commentary-wednesday-may-20-2015-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-tj-ward-on-the-natalee-holloway-case/

Don’t miss tonight’s show with International Private Detective, TJ Ward discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the witness that has come forward with new information

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TJWard_zps6c0cgibo.jpg)

Now confirmed that Robin Holloway will join TJ Ward and Dana to discuss Natalee tonight on the Dana Pretzer show!

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ai4n4i.jpg)

Dave and Robin Holloway

My mistake - ROBIN SAX, not Robin Holloway.  I apologize for the error.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tonight at 9pm ET!

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Click on the link below at 9pm ET to listen to the show live:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 20, 2015, 06:11:37 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087951/Natalee-Holloway-s-parents-celebrate-birth-grandchild-Marriott-Aruba-Surf-Club-agrees-dig-property

Wednesday, May 20th 2015 8PM 

EXCLUSIVE: Natalee Holloway's parents celebrate birth of grandchild as Marriott Aruba Surf Club agrees to dig up property where new witness says missing teen's body was buried, dad reveals
Baby Rylee, daughter of Natalee's only sibling Matt, was born in December
Matt was 16 when his sister disappeared ten years ago
Natalee's dad Dave Holloway tells Daily Mail Online Aruba authorities must reopen the case to allow search for his daughter
An eyewitness has come forward saying he saw convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot carry Natalee's lifeless body into the Surf Club timeshares 
He did not come forward because he was involved in Aruba's drug trade


Natalee Holloway's parents have finally found new joy, 10 years after their beautiful blonde teenage daughter disappeared on a Caribbean island in one of the biggest missing person mysteries of the 21st century.

Dave and Beth Holloway now have a new little girl to shower with love, even as they know Natalee will never be coming home.

Little Rylee Holloway was born two days before Christmas, the daughter of Dave and Beth's only other child, their son Matt, who was 16 when Natalee went missing in Aruba in May 2005.

 ::snipping3::


They have some pictures that I had never seen.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Daily Commentary – Wednesday, May 20, 2015 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with TJ Ward on the Natalee Holloway Case

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/20/daily-commentary-wednesday-may-20-2015-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-tj-ward-on-the-natalee-holloway-case/

Don’t miss tonight’s show with International Private Detective, TJ Ward discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the witness that has come forward with new information

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/TJWard_zps6c0cgibo.jpg)

Now confirmed that Robin Holloway will join TJ Ward and Dana to discuss Natalee tonight on the Dana Pretzer show!

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ai4n4i.jpg)

Dave and Robin Holloway

My mistake - ROBIN SAX, not Robin Holloway.  I apologize for the error.

No problem, Klaas! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 07:38:57 PM
TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 07:44:43 PM
TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.

Hey Rob, Good to see you!

You know what they say, when you are afraid of the facts and the truth, destroy the individual's character, i.e. Enemy of the State with Will Smith.

Aruba authorities never investigated when they did have leads, now they are quick to sound just like Joran and his mouthpiece attorney.

Hell, Joran confessed at least twice to the murder and still they made excuses.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Dana on May 20, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
I will try my best.

Dana

TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.

Hey Rob, Good to see you!

You know what they say, when you are afraid of the facts and the truth, destroy the individual's character, i.e. Enemy of the State with Will Smith.

Aruba authorities never investigated when they did have leads, now they are quick to sound just like Joran and his mouthpiece attorney.

Hell, Joran confessed at least twice to the murder and still they made excuses.

Always a pleasure Red. I see Dana checked in above. He's in the rafters.

As a side note - before we knew each other well - remember when you told me you were worried that I could discern passwords. Man, those were the days.  ::MonkeyTongue::

By the way, you were right.

I think deep down - everyone here, especially you, my brother, knew where this was all going. We just need Natalee. I hope we're close this time. 10 years is a long time to hope and pray for the truth. Forget justice - just settle for truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
I will try my best.

Dana

TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.

You'll do a great job as always Dana. I know we haven't posted together in quite some time but your contributions are never forgotten. So much respect for your dedication to this cause and so many others.

You earned that hairy monkey back.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 07:59:01 PM
Just got the TJ case texted to me - Dana you might want to read this before the interview -

T.J. Ward Investigation Reveals Intentional Cover-Up of Murdered Black Youth by Union City Police Chief

http://justice-ward.newswire.com/press-release/t-j-ward-investigation-reveals-intentional-cover-up-of-murdered


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:15:07 PM
TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.

Hey Rob, Good to see you!

You know what they say, when you are afraid of the facts and the truth, destroy the individual's character, i.e. Enemy of the State with Will Smith.

Aruba authorities never investigated when they did have leads, now they are quick to sound just like Joran and his mouthpiece attorney.

Hell, Joran confessed at least twice to the murder and still they made excuses.

Always a pleasure Red. I see Dana checked in above. He's in the rafters.

As a side note - before we knew each other well - remember when you told me you were worried that I could discern passwords. Man, those were the days.  ::MonkeyTongue::

By the way, you were right.

I think deep down - everyone here, especially you, my brother, knew where this was all going. We just need Natalee. I hope we're close this time. 10 years is a long time to hope and pray for the truth. Forget justice - just settle for truth.
Amen Brother


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:21:53 PM
TJ called me a few minutes ago - as you know he is on with Dana tonight. He tells me that some of the articles we have all been reading are wrong and / or incorrect / embellished or lies. This new witness doesn't want any money nor compensation. He is adamant about it.

TJ and I had quite a laff at van der Sloot calling someone else a liar. Most here already pointed that out. Very funny stuff. TJ did use the F word quite a bit describing that - but that's to be expected.

Anyway - sounds like it will be a very informative webcast / podcast and they always are with Dana. Looking forward to it, like everyone else.

Oh, one other note - they have not been denied the ability to search. I read that somewhere - maybe here, or maybe elsewhere. They haven't even asked yet.

I think I can tell you this and not get any grief - TJ seems to have a new show on the horizon, after all these years and quite frankly he's long overdue. This is something that was on the horizon many times. He is due this opportunity. He has five or six longterm employees that will also be a part of this new program.

Last night he did solve a police case that has been lingering in the Atlanta community - didn't get into all the details - maybe Dana will ask. I'm sure TJ will expand if he is asked.

Hey Rob, Good to see you!

You know what they say, when you are afraid of the facts and the truth, destroy the individual's character, i.e. Enemy of the State with Will Smith.

Aruba authorities never investigated when they did have leads, now they are quick to sound just like Joran and his mouthpiece attorney.

Hell, Joran confessed at least twice to the murder and still they made excuses.

Always a pleasure Red. I see Dana checked in above. He's in the rafters.

As a side note - before we knew each other well - remember when you told me you were worried that I could discern passwords. Man, those were the days.  ::MonkeyTongue::

By the way, you were right.

I think deep down - everyone here, especially you, my brother, knew where this was all going. We just need Natalee. I hope we're close this time. 10 years is a long time to hope and pray for the truth. Forget justice - just settle for truth.
Amen Brother

Just for your information - and anyone else who may be interested - I'm on Intense Debate @ Birther Report as Falcon. Even I got discerned by my haters that found me here after searching for 3 and a half years.

Check me there if that interests you - BR does a great job posting Constitutional Article Section Two - I've learned so much.

This is me - please follow me and ramp up my threat matrix -

http://intensedebate.com/people/Pobbo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Here we go!   ::MonkeyDance::

I know you'll be great, Dana!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Here we go!   ::MonkeyDance::

I know you'll be great, Dana!   ::MonkeyCool::

Some kind of delay - but I've got it now.

TJ and Dana are very clear.

I hope TJ talks about the death threats.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
The LVA (Layered Voice Analysis) Technology

http://www.nemesysco.com/technology-lvavoiceanalysis.html

LVA is Nemesysco's core technology adapted to meet the needs of various security-related activities, such as formal police investigations, security clearances, secured area access control, intelligence source questioning, and hostage negotiation.
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LVA technology enables a better understanding of your subject’s mental state and emotional makeup at a given moment by detecting the emotional content of his or her speech when responding to questions. The technology identifies various types of stress levels, cognitive processes, and emotional reactions that are reflected in the properties of his or her voice. This information provides insights into the way he or she thinks, what troubles him, what excites him, what portions of his speech he is uncertain about, what questions require more of his attention, and what areas appear to be sensitive issues for the speaker.

In addition, the technology enables the user to explore several levels of conscious and unconscious emotional activities (thoughts and feelings), and by doing so, expose additional layers of information that would otherwise be unavailable. This information can save crucial time during truth-detection investigation activities.

Layered Voice Analysis is not a "Voice Stress" analysis technology, nor does it use any previously known method for detecting voice stress. As such, LVA does not perform "micro-tremors" analysis in the voice.
::snipping3::


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LVA and Lie Detection

Professionals in the field of lie detection know that there is no "true" lie detector, as lying is not a unified set of feelings that can be measured. Lying is a result of a deep logical process that is executed with a particular intention. One might lie to protect oneself from harm, while another might lie to gain profit, or even just to make a joke. Due to this variety in motivation and intention, there is no fixed set of characteristics (physiological or psychological) that differentiate lies from truth. However, LVA is capable of detecting the intention behind the lie, and by doing so can lead you to identifying and revealing the lie itself.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 08:43:37 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::
Okay, was having trouble tuning in on my iPad, but first thing I heard TJ saying something about "talking with Julie Renfro this morning" - I'm already about done.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
Nemesysco’s technology

http://www.nemesysco.com/technology.html

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Nemesysco’s technology was originally invented in 1997 by Amir Liberman, and is being developed ever since in consultation with experts from different relevant fields (psychology, criminology, phonetics, psychiatry, mathematics and others).

The technology is based on a proprietary set of vocal parameters found through research to correlate with key human emotions, and in various combinations to be able to identify deceptive intentions in “real life” scenarios. These vocal parameters were identified from a bank of audio files taken in different languages and a numerous settings, including police interrogations, call centers and controlled experiments.

Many of the parameters Nemesysco’s technology uses are new to the world of phonetics, and focus on the uncontrolled and yet phonetically unexplained properties of the human voice.
Layered Voice Analysis (LVA)

LVA is a security-level technology designed to serve professional investigators in their line of work, by providing indications that further directs the investigation procedure to the relevant path. LVA analyses can be performed in real-time (using a microphone or on a telephone conversation) as well as off-line on previously recorded material.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
I do find it interesting that TJ has changed his thought process over the years. He was totally stuck on the 'Jaguar the Colombian informant' for years.

I've questioned this for years - to his face. I just didn't believe it. But I would never believe any Colombian.

This was the former FBI informant that was given to TJ after the FBI left the island when they were shut out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
::MonkeyEek::
Okay, was having trouble tuning in on my iPad, but first thing I heard TJ saying something about "talking with Julie Renfro this morning" - I'm already about done.

Here is a match made in Hell

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/09282012_zps47722fba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
::MonkeyEek::
Okay, was having trouble tuning in on my iPad, but first thing I heard TJ saying something about "talking with Julie Renfro this morning" - I'm already about done.

I know, wreck.  I'd just had supper and thought I might lose it.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 08:51:43 PM
TJ says that CNN is going to interview the new witness as well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:51:53 PM
Wow - Boycott worked.

We did it. Michelle and all of us.

Someday when Michelle tells me I can tell her truth I will.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 08:53:59 PM
Dave Holloway willing to fund this search with TJ and the cadaver dogs.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 08:55:36 PM
Yes TJ we know all about the Skeeter's tape ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:56:42 PM
 Incredible - 138 year old Civil war bodies founds found by Tracey and her dogs. I'm blown away.

Now talking about Harold Copus - He personally helped me with some stuff over the years via TJ - he's an awesome investigator.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 08:56:51 PM
I completely understand what TJ is saying regarding cadaver dogs, but I am sorry ... I doubt whether just getting a hit in a crawl space is going to move Aruba LE.

These fools are so unsophisticated that they would need a video of what happened in HD and audio for the Aruba authorities to do anything.

They said they need concrete evidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/FinalDismissal0413151_zpsovmv0jjg.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 08:58:19 PM
Incredible - 138 year old Civil war bodies founds found by Tracey and her dogs. I'm blown away.

Now talking about Harold Copus - He personally helped me with some stuff over the years via TJ - he's an awesome investigator.


I'll tell you - Copus found DARPA agents at Birther Report. One phone number found all that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
I completely understand what TJ is saying regarding cadaver dogs, but I am sorry ... I doubt whether just getting a hit in a crawl space is going to move Aruba LE.

These fools are so unsophisticated that they would need a video of what happened in HD and audio for the Aruba authorities to do anything.

They said they need concrete evidence.


They want to sweep the case under the rug.  They have forgotten about it be we haven't. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:04:32 PM
I completely understand what TJ is saying regarding cadaver dogs, but I am sorry ... I doubt whether just getting a hit in a crawl space is going to move Aruba LE.

These fools are so unsophisticated that they would need a video of what happened in HD and audio for the Aruba authorities to do anything.

They said they need concrete evidence.


They want to sweep the case under the rug.  They have forgotten about it be we haven't. 

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

Yep, they are so quick to discredit de Jong but some how to do so is to believe Joran Van der Sloot. De Jong does not say he is a choir boy, he admitted he was doing illegal things back then. Which is more than Joran has ever fully admitted to. Whenever he has confessed, JVDS would then say he was lying 5 minutes later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
I completely understand what TJ is saying regarding cadaver dogs, but I am sorry ... I doubt whether just getting a hit in a crawl space is going to move Aruba LE.

These fools are so unsophisticated that they would need a video of what happened in HD and audio for the Aruba authorities to do anything.

They said they need concrete evidence.


I agree Red - we've been having some disagreements about this for a few weeks. TJ keeps saying it wasn't searched and I keep saying TES was stationed right there.

Lookie - I was there - I saw where they living and was buying bottles of water for the dogs at Amici before they would go out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 09:06:33 PM
Robin Sax coming up next  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
The truth of the matter is when I was in Aruba with TES, it was the MSM following me to get a story and find out inside information.

They literally stalked me. There were times that I stayed in tinted windows cars down there and showed areas of interest to searchers that were brought up be Monkeys before I ever went there.

You cant even imagine some of the stunts the media did as we sent them on wild goose chases. LOL.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
Dana - loved that Robin Sax called a 'criminal AHole'. You handled that very well.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
Robin Sax coming up next  ::MonkeyCool::

Robin Sax is good people. Have always liked her work and she is a good person.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 09:20:32 PM
::MonkeyEek::
Okay, was having trouble tuning in on my iPad, but first thing I heard TJ saying something about "talking with Julie Renfro this morning" - I'm already about done.

I know, wreck.  I'd just had supper and thought I might lose it.   

I was late getting on ... glad I didn't hear it. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
Well said, Dana!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:21:57 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

Truth be told, we set up the Forum because we just had no way of keeping up with the comments that were coming in on the Front page blog. It was like every-time we refreshed there were 50 to 100 new comments. The closest think I can compare it to was in the movie the Social Network when they kept refreshing the page to hit 1 million.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Incredible - 138 year old Civil war bodies founds found by Tracey and her dogs. I'm blown away.

Now talking about Harold Copus - He personally helped me with some stuff over the years via TJ - he's an awesome investigator.

Rob, it's even more exciting than that-he said Revolutionary War... there were battles in and around Georgia. [ Georgia played a vital role in victory! ].


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 09:29:03 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

Truth be told, we set up the Forum because we just had no way of keeping up with the comments that were coming in on the Front page blog. It was like every-time we refreshed there were 50 to 100 new comments. The closest think I can compare it to was in the movie the Social Network when they kept refreshing the page to hit 1 million.

 ::MonkeyCool::  bandwidth, forum software, etc. had to be really exorbitant!

*** Not to mention a new, bigger server!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence. 

My how things have changed in just 10 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 09:38:35 PM
Nice show - Thanks, Dana!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Dana on May 20, 2015, 09:39:10 PM
Were not getting older, we are just getting wiser and much better looking.  lol





Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence. 

My how things have changed in just 10 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

Truth be told, we set up the Forum because we just had no way of keeping up with the comments that were coming in on the Front page blog. It was like every-time we refreshed there were 50 to 100 new comments. The closest think I can compare it to was in the movie the Social Network when they kept refreshing the page to hit 1 million.

 ::MonkeyCool::  bandwidth, forum software, etc. had to be really exorbitant!

*** Not to mention a new, bigger server!

YES, we had to upgrade from the folks we endearingly used to call Server no-so Pronto. LOL

Some of you will remember when things got crazy, we had to turn off all the bells and whistles and go DEFCON4 so to keep the server from crashing. Suddenly folks lost their avatars and ability to IM as we had to focus all the power on life support and the frontal force shields. Crazy stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 09:43:02 PM
Well, I was impressed.  Let's hope Corporate Marriott will comply and agree to T.J.'s request to search - it would be a big plus for Marriott to do so - they'd be heroes.

Then the ball falls in the Aruban Police court, so to speak, and the spotlight on them returns. [ And I don't think those jokers have forgotten at all, they just want to pretend it's totally unimportant and that it's gone away. ]

It's wonderful that CNN has gone down to Mississippi to interview Dave; The Layered Voice Technology sounds wonderful.

Great show tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Were not getting older, we are just getting wiser and much better looking.  lol





Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence. 

My how things have changed in just 10 years.

If that is what you say, I am going with it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Nice show Dana.

BTW, congrats on your retirement and thanks for your service to protect and serve. I know it was not an easy decision but with the atmosphere that exists today, I could not imagine being a police officer.

I was going to email you and say, I want to turn the tables and interview you and your time on the force. Then I heard that dude on the radio that i emailed and thought to myself, I better keep my day job and let the trained professionals do the interviewing.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 09:45:38 PM
Were not getting older, we are just getting wiser and much better looking.  lol






Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence.  

My how things have changed in just 10 years.

Oh my word!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 09:48:17 PM
If anyone missed the show, the Podcast is uploaded now and you can listen to the entire show at this link:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20150520s.mp3 (http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20150520s.mp3)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Dana on May 20, 2015, 09:49:36 PM
its scary yes, but nothing much will change except I wont work nights any more.
we never really retire we just change jobs.

and now  I can tell some juicy stories in time. lol

Were not getting older, we are just getting wiser and much better looking.  lol





Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence. 

My how things have changed in just 10 years.

If that is what you say, I am going with it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Nice show Dana.

BTW, congrats on your retirement and thanks for your service to protect and serve. I know it was not an easy decision but with the atmosphere that exists today, I could not imagine being a police officer.

I was going to email you and say, I want to turn the tables and interview you and your time on the force. Then I heard that dude on the radio that i emailed and thought to myself, I better keep my day job and let the trained professionals do the interviewing.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 09:57:38 PM
Goodnight all! Time to go do the NYT crossword - will check in later!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
"Server no-so Pronto" ... sounds like they're related to the Aruban Justice System.  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:04:05 PM
Were not getting older, we are just getting wiser and much better looking.  lol





Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence. 

My how things have changed in just 10 years.

You still sound great, Dana.  Always enjoy listening to your show!  Love Robin Sax, too!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 20, 2015, 10:04:21 PM
Nytol.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:19:56 PM
Nite wreck, and Ono.

I'll say goodnight as well, with this travel advisory.

In just the last ten years, there are two American's missing and believed murdered in Aruba.  Robyn Gardner has never been found either.  With the way the prosecutor's change every three years or so, there is very little chance either case will ever be prosecuted at this point.

A 17 year old student, and a 50 something year old man that had reportedly never been to the island before, were each able to completely disappear a body on this tiny little island and get away with murder.  Rest assured there are many more.

The government should do more as Dana said, but sad to say I've pretty much given up on that.

People need to remember that before they book that trip to One Happy Island.

JMO


And from what I've been reading the boa constrictor's are hitching rides under the hoods of cars too.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32662173

The hitchhiking snakes of the Caribbean
By Rob Crossan
Aruba
10 May 2015

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But even the coastal hotels, far away from the wilderness of Arikok, have been visited by the boas in recent years. It turns out that these creatures have found a simple yet effective way to traverse the island. They hitchhike. "They love how warm car engines are," Robert tells me. "So they climb into them and end up getting driven all over the island."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:21:53 PM
MAGNOLIA!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I was so excited to see you, I forgot to say Hi!

Hi Magnolia!  I've missed you!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::boxjoran::


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Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::boxjoran::


The newspapers and television here have been all about this story.


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Post by: Red on May 20, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::boxjoran::

  ::MonkeyDance::::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
I did modify my last post, but it's not showing that now.  That's ok, just wanted ya'll to know that I'm not crazy.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2015, 10:35:10 PM
Thanks TM!

Hi Magnolia, great to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:35:37 PM
Robin made great point on just how this blog/forum was so "cutting edge" 10 years ago!

Yup, way before Facebook and Twitter. And might I add before unlimited bandwidth.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL!

I kid you not Ono, in the early days when this case took off SM went from 1000 views a day to 1000 views every 10 minutes. Tom and I used to winder how we were going to not have the site crash. It was like Mr Scott of Star Trek fame, when Captain Kirk would say ... Scottie I need more power.

We were winging it. And then that server bill came in and my jaw hit the ground.

For the folks that were with us in the beginning when SM was featured on CNN, a show called Inside the Blogs, they were fascinated by this little upstart called SM that was breaking stories way before the MSM.

The truth is and I can say it now, many media folks were using SM as their sources and for background but never told their producers. Back then, Blogs were considered evil by the MSM and most of them had no web presence.  

My how things have changed in just 10 years.

I had a very simple computer, and dialup.  By the time my page would refresh sometimes, I would be behind three pages.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can laugh about it now, but it was soooo frustrating then.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Wow!! Great to see you Magnolia! Tremendous! ::germanshep::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::boxjoran::


The newspapers and television here have been all about this story.

That's great to hear, Magnolia.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 12:05:42 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/970704699628812/

Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:55pm
Anyone watch Greta's program on Fox News last night? Although it was a good reminder of how Natalee's investigation has been such a travesty, it did not really contain any new information. Guess it was put together prior to the latest witness situation.
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Vicki Davis Yeah, I agree Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:56pm · Like

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Beverly Sutton Young That's what I was thinking the new evidence was after it was taped. .
May 17 at 1:46pm · Like

 ::snipping3::

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
Oh so not true. I gave everything to Greta and more. I think Beth is on the side of showing her life, and Dave is the one that goes out and gets the dirty work done. Dave also has the same info that Greta has, so that shows the 2 different ways of how the 2 work. But don't forget, "inside Edition" is supposed to be in charge of the new witness info. I was actually going to Aruba with them for the 10th year so they could see some of the inside of what we all do, however I'm guessing the people who wrote the book Portrait of a monster got the role. Both Dave, and Beth know exactly who we are and what we have done, and continue to do. I am just praying this new lead is what we all need for closure and to let Natalee come home and be put to rest here.
May 17 at 2:50pm · Like · 3

Vicki Davis I pray for that also, Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga..and I know we all want her home in Alabama or here in the USA...
May 17 at 5:10pm · Like · 1

Frances Loper Corwin I did not see the program.
May 18 at 7:30pm · Like

Debbie Groover The program airs again this Friday night (05/22) at 6:00 pm central time. Check your listings for On the Record Fox News.
2 hrs · Like · 1

Vicki Davis Debbie Groover how are you? I hope I can log back in at bfn? Thank you for the update.. I got so angry because I too was going back there with Kath..
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 12:13:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_jjtij.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_jjtij.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 21, 2015, 12:38:14 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/970704699628812/

Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:55pm
Anyone watch Greta's program on Fox News last night? Although it was a good reminder of how Natalee's investigation has been such a travesty, it did not really contain any new information. Guess it was put together prior to the latest witness situation.
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Vicki Davis Yeah, I agree Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:56pm · Like

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Beverly Sutton Young That's what I was thinking the new evidence was after it was taped. .
May 17 at 1:46pm · Like

 ::snipping3::

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
Oh so not true. I gave everything to Greta and more. I think Beth is on the side of showing her life, and Dave is the one that goes out and gets the dirty work done. Dave also has the same info that Greta has, so that shows the 2 different ways of how the 2 work. But don't forget, "inside Edition" is supposed to be in charge of the new witness info. I was actually going to Aruba with them for the 10th year so they could see some of the inside of what we all do, however I'm guessing the people who wrote the book Portrait of a monster got the role. Both Dave, and Beth know exactly who we are and what we have done, and continue to do. I am just praying this new lead is what we all need for closure and to let Natalee come home and be put to rest here.
May 17 at 2:50pm · Like · 3

Vicki Davis I pray for that also, Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga..and I know we all want her home in Alabama or here in the USA...
May 17 at 5:10pm · Like · 1

Frances Loper Corwin I did not see the program.
May 18 at 7:30pm · Like

Debbie Groover The program airs again this Friday night (05/22) at 6:00 pm central time. Check your listings for On the Record Fox News.
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Vicki Davis Debbie Groover how are you? I hope I can log back in at bfn? Thank you for the update.. I got so angry because I too was going back there with Kath..
2 hrs · Like

These people need to be committed to a mental hospital. Just sayin through my chattin and grumblin...


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Post by: Keepthefaith on May 21, 2015, 12:47:15 AM
Keepthefaith, wreck and 17 Guests   

To Wreck and guests... ::HelloKitty::


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Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 07:21:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2sU-2q_tY

http://www.youtube.com/v/yg2sU-2q_tY


Full Interview with Natalee Holloway 's Father Dave Holloway Part 1
Voldran

Published on May 20, 2015

Father of Natalee Holloway Dave Holloway Still Searching for Answers 10 years Later

Birmingham, AL

It was around this time ten years ago when the disappearance of Natalee Holloway dominated news headlines across the country. The Mountain Brook teen vanished while on a trip to Aruba with other graduates in her class. While her case has never been solved, her parents have never given up hope her body will be found.

The whole ordeal has been a nightmare for Dave Holloway. "I think we've lived through probably most parents' worst nightmare." It's been an endless parade of lies and false hope from the key suspect, and every so often a glimmer of hope that he will finally know what really happened to his daughter.

Met Holloway at his office in Mississippi where he maintains a low key lifestyle. He now has a granddaughter by son Matt. "It hadn't really sunk in yet. It's like i'm getting old!" said Holloway with a big smile. Natalee's two half sisters are growing up fast and enjoy cheerleading competitions. "We're a little more protective of our children. There will certainly be no out of the country excursions without us," says Holloway.

Natalee would have turned 29 later this year and likely have graduated from Alabama and maybe made good on plans for medical school. He dad says she was an excellent student.

"I just wish we had an answer." Frustrations with the Frustrations have lingered for ten long years. Politics, money, corruption.... the story had all the makings of a soap opera played out on an international stage. "I just can't imagine three guys who are 17-18 years old that they could not be interrogated by police officers and not break em,".

He was back in Aruba recently after an alleged witness re-surfaced saying he saw suspect Joran van der Sloot with Natalee at a Marriot hotel which was under construction. But police in Aruba have quickly discounted his claims saying his story doesn't match up with the construction timeline at the hotel. The witness said Natalee was dead and van der Sloot hid her body. He claims he didn't come forward at the time because he was involved in illegal activity.

Joran van der Sloot is serving 28 years in Peru for murdering another young woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 07:25:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnYBDTdyjO4

Full Interview with Natalee Holloway 's Father Dave Holloway Part 2
Voldran

Published on May 20, 2015

http://www.youtube.com/v/rnYBDTdyjO4


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 08:28:48 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/970704699628812/

Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:55pm
Anyone watch Greta's program on Fox News last night? Although it was a good reminder of how Natalee's investigation has been such a travesty, it did not really contain any new information. Guess it was put together prior to the latest witness situation.
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Vicki Davis Yeah, I agree Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:56pm · Like

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Beverly Sutton Young That's what I was thinking the new evidence was after it was taped. .
May 17 at 1:46pm · Like

 ::snipping3::

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
Oh so not true. I gave everything to Greta and more. I think Beth is on the side of showing her life, and Dave is the one that goes out and gets the dirty work done. Dave also has the same info that Greta has, so that shows the 2 different ways of how the 2 work. But don't forget, "inside Edition" is supposed to be in charge of the new witness info. I was actually going to Aruba with them for the 10th year so they could see some of the inside of what we all do, however I'm guessing the people who wrote the book Portrait of a monster got the role. Both Dave, and Beth know exactly who we are and what we have done, and continue to do. I am just praying this new lead is what we all need for closure and to let Natalee come home and be put to rest here.
May 17 at 2:50pm · Like · 3

Vicki Davis I pray for that also, Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga..and I know we all want her home in Alabama or here in the USA...
May 17 at 5:10pm · Like · 1

Frances Loper Corwin I did not see the program.
May 18 at 7:30pm · Like

Debbie Groover The program airs again this Friday night (05/22) at 6:00 pm central time. Check your listings for On the Record Fox News.
2 hrs · Like · 1

Vicki Davis Debbie Groover how are you? I hope I can log back in at bfn? Thank you for the update.. I got so angry because I too was going back there with Kath..
2 hrs · Like

Seriously?  It's one thing sleuthing and supplying information to an investigation and another completely inserting yourself into an investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 21, 2015, 08:44:45 AM
From the Video above fro Dave Holloway:

Quote
"I just wish we had an answer." Frustrations with the Frustrations have lingered for ten long years. Politics, money, corruption.... the story had all the makings of a soap opera played out on an international stage. "I just can't imagine three guys who are 17-18 years old that they could not be interrogated by police officers and not break em,".

No truer words have ever been spoken and thus the case was seriously compromised within its inception.

Aruba never thought the Holloway/Twitty families would mobilize so quickly and they never comprehended this would become the #1 story of 2005. They thought they could brush it under the Divi divi tree like they had done so often.

A part of me wonders had this disappearance took place in 2015 that the case would have been solved because of the immediacy of Twitter, FB, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on May 21, 2015, 09:13:41 AM
Trending Summary - Natalee Holloway
The man, identified as Jurrien de Jong, insisted that Holloway was buried under a staircase of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba, prosecutors said. They said his claims led chief prosecutor Eric Olthof to ask that Aruba police contact Marriott's management office in Orlando, Florida, to determine when the hotel's Spyglass Tower and its staircase was built. Marriott officials said neither the tower nor its staircase had been built when Holloway disappeared, prosecutors said.


https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Natalee+Holloway&fr=fp-tts-901&woeid=12760392&fp=1&fr2=p:fp,m:tn,ct:all,pg:1,stl:crsl,b:901


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 21, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
From the Video above fro Dave Holloway:

Quote
"I just wish we had an answer." Frustrations with the Frustrations have lingered for ten long years. Politics, money, corruption.... the story had all the makings of a soap opera played out on an international stage. "I just can't imagine three guys who are 17-18 years old that they could not be interrogated by police officers and not break em,".

No truer words have ever been spoken and thus the case was seriously compromised within its inception.

Aruba never thought the Holloway/Twitty families would mobilize so quickly and they never comprehended this would become the #1 story of 2005. They thought they could brush it under the Divi divi tree like they had done so often.

A part of me wonders had this disappearance took place in 2015 that the case would have been solved because of the immediacy of Twitter, FB, etc.


 ::rhino::
 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 02:20:21 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/970704699628812/

Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:55pm
Anyone watch Greta's program on Fox News last night? Although it was a good reminder of how Natalee's investigation has been such a travesty, it did not really contain any new information. Guess it was put together prior to the latest witness situation.
Like · Share
6 people like this.

Vicki Davis Yeah, I agree Louis Swartzkopf
May 17 at 12:56pm · Like

 ::snipping3::

Beverly Sutton Young That's what I was thinking the new evidence was after it was taped. .
May 17 at 1:46pm · Like

 ::snipping3::

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
Oh so not true. I gave everything to Greta and more. I think Beth is on the side of showing her life, and Dave is the one that goes out and gets the dirty work done. Dave also has the same info that Greta has, so that shows the 2 different ways of how the 2 work. But don't forget, "inside Edition" is supposed to be in charge of the new witness info. I was actually going to Aruba with them for the 10th year so they could see some of the inside of what we all do, however I'm guessing the people who wrote the book Portrait of a monster got the role. Both Dave, and Beth know exactly who we are and what we have done, and continue to do. I am just praying this new lead is what we all need for closure and to let Natalee come home and be put to rest here.
May 17 at 2:50pm · Like · 3

Vicki Davis I pray for that also, Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga..and I know we all want her home in Alabama or here in the USA...
May 17 at 5:10pm · Like · 1

Frances Loper Corwin I did not see the program.
May 18 at 7:30pm · Like

Debbie Groover The program airs again this Friday night (05/22) at 6:00 pm central time. Check your listings for On the Record Fox News.
2 hrs · Like · 1

Vicki Davis Debbie Groover how are you? I hope I can log back in at bfn? Thank you for the update.. I got so angry because I too was going back there with Kath..
2 hrs · Like

Seriously?  It's one thing sleuthing and supplying information to an investigation and another completely inserting yourself into an investigation.

Absolutely, Klaas.  My sentiments exactly!   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 21, 2015, 02:25:23 PM
Trending Summary - Natalee Holloway
The man, identified as Jurrien de Jong, insisted that Holloway was buried under a staircase of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba, prosecutors said. They said his claims led chief prosecutor Eric Olthof to ask that Aruba police contact Marriott's management office in Orlando, Florida, to determine when the hotel's Spyglass Tower and its staircase was built. Marriott officials said neither the tower nor its staircase had been built when Holloway disappeared, prosecutors said.


https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Natalee+Holloway&fr=fp-tts-901&woeid=12760392&fp=1&fr2=p:fp,m:tn,ct:all,pg:1,stl:crsl,b:901

T.J. told Dana last night during the program that he was waiting for a reply from Marriott Corporate in Bethesda [Maryland], for permission to search.


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Post by: Ono on May 21, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_jjtij.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_jjtij.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 05:08:25 PM
The headline on this story is complete BS. Since when did Aruban officials "chase" anything in this case!

http://www.enewscourier.com/news/state_and_nation/aruba-officials-chase-another-futile-holloway-tip/article_a15b7e7a-ff33-11e4-a45d-6b3875423afd.html (http://www.enewscourier.com/news/state_and_nation/aruba-officials-chase-another-futile-holloway-tip/article_a15b7e7a-ff33-11e4-a45d-6b3875423afd.html)

Aruba officials chase another futile Holloway tip

 Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:03 pm

Associated Press |

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba prosecutors said Wednesday that yet another tip about the location of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway's body turned out to be false.

Authorities said they had received a tip from a man who previously claimed to be a witness to Holloway's disappearance on May 30, 2005. The man, identified as Jurrien de Jong, insisted that Holloway was buried under a staircase of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba, prosecutors said.

They said his claims led chief prosecutor Eric Olthof to ask that Aruba police contact Marriott's management office in Orlando, Florida, to determine when the hotel's Spyglass Tower and its staircase was built. Marriott officials said neither the tower nor its staircase had been built when Holloway disappeared, prosecutors said.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 21, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
I absolutely agree, Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 08:21:55 PM
We need to go through all our old photos and see if we have any that show the Marriott back around June/July 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 09:25:05 PM
Me too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Agreeing with Klaas on the Aruban officials never "chasing" anything in this case!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 21, 2015, 10:33:55 PM
The Marriott Spyglass Tower in Aruba started construction in 2005 and completed in 2007. I'll try to find the ground breaking date.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
TM - check your email, I just sent something I need your opinion on.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 10:44:57 PM
The Marriott Spyglass Tower in Aruba started construction in 2005 and completed in 2007. I'll try to find the ground breaking date.

Thanks Wreck!


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Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 10:48:05 PM
TM - check your email, I just sent something I need your opinion on.  Thanks!

Sorry, Klaas!  Just saw this but I'm checking it now! 


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Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 10:54:31 PM
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f10/help-marriott-surf-club-construction-1352/ (http://bb.visitaruba.com/f10/help-marriott-surf-club-construction-1352/)

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Planning first trip to Aruba in August 2005 with family and have nice chance at Marriott Surf Club. I've been reading so much about the construction upheaval (marina blocking ocean, cranes, blue towels, pools not done, etc., etc.) that I'm not sure what to think.

Does anyone know where it stands now? Anyone willing to project where it may be come August?

Thanks much!


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We stayed at the Surf Club this past November. The villas are just beautiful. So nice having a washer & dryer right in the kitchen closet. The one pool that is opened was just great. Big, and had a swim up bar. They were working on the second building but the construction didn't bother any of us. Once in a while we may have looked up to watch a huge crane in action. As far as the beach goes, we mostly stayed by the pool. The Surf Club has put in lots of palapas on the beach and yes, you do have to walk towards the Ocean Club to swim, but in my eyes, not really an inconvenience. I wouldn't hesitate about staying there in August. So much more will be completed (well I hope so). I'll be at the Ocean Club in May so I'll let the board know how the Surf Club is coming along when I get back.


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Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 11:00:48 PM
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/resorts/marriott-aruba-surf-club/

MARRIOTT ARUBA SURF CLUB

Perfectly situated along miles of sugary white sand and iridescent waters of Palm Beach, Aruba.
Marriott Aruba Surf Club is a refreshing compliment to the eclectic Caribbean.

With an average annual climate of over 80° F, this year-round tropical oasis offers a captivating diversity of landscapes and recreation. From rocky coastlines with windblown divi-divi trees, spiny cactus and swaying palms, the unique spirit and rhythm of the island are matched with the abundance of recreation.

Construction at Marriott Aruba Surf Club was just recently completed. The first phase is presently was open in 2006. Phase 2 opened in the spring of 2006 and Final Phase opened for guests in late 2007.
 


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Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2015, 11:39:22 PM
Here is a PDF link to the CoolAruba search photos from June 2005 I saved:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Aruba-Search-Photos-June-2.pdf


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Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2015, 11:41:34 PM
http://www.pageinsider.com/arubamarriottcareers.com

 ::snipping3::

6. Captured Content
Contact us and Job Fairs. Aruba Marriott Resort and Stellaris ******. Perched along the turquoise Caribbean Sea, and bounded by untamed desert beauty, the Aruba Marriott Resort and Stellaris ****** is a true resort oasis, and a most magnificent setting for leisure and meeting needs. On June 24, 1995 the 413-guestroom resort officially opened its doors to the public; two weeks later on July 7th the resort added the Stellaris ****** to its portfolio. The Aruba Marriott Resort and Stellaris ****** was an instant success as it became the largest premier chain resort on the island. As a potential future Marriott Associate you would be joining a resort that currently boasts the most spacious guestrooms and balconies, largest ******, a state-of-the-art ballroom, longest stretch of beach, and friendliest associates in Aruba. Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club. Kissed by the sun and reflecting the crystal clear waters of the Caribbean, Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club is a treasured vacation-ownership jewel of Aruba's Palm Beach. Entertainment and adventure fun for all ages surround this oasis with exciting water sports and ocean excursions. Infused with Caribbean style, the spacious one- or two-bedroom villas offer a welcome retreat. A private balcony, formal living and dining areas, and full kitchen are among the many impressive amenities included in each suite. The 311-room Ocean Club opened in two separate phases, the first in January 1999 which included the North Wing and the Atrium; this was followed by the rest of the property which opened later that year in September. Marriott's Aruba Surf Club. Located beachfront on the sands of Palm Beach, Marriott's Aruba Surf Club is surrounded by turquoise waters and island flair that is unmistakably the Caribbean. Views from two-bedroom, two-bath villas set the stage for an unforgettable vacation. Guests can relax on the private balcony or enjoy the convenience of a fully equipped kitchen and spacious living area. After resting up they can head to the adventure of a beachfront swimming pool with lazy river, slide and spa. The first phase of the Surf Club, showcased by the 330-room Lighthouse Tower opened its doors on July 2, 2004 to a 95% occupancy; this is the largest resort opened by Marriott to have a full-house on its inaugural day. The second phase was completed in February 2006 and the third and fourth phase opened in November 2007. Work made fun gets done, especially when we choose to do serious tasks in a lighthearted, spontaneous way. Play is not just an activity; it's a state of mind that brings new energy to the tasks at hand and sparks creative solutions. 1996-2006 Marriott International Inc.


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Post by: wreck on May 21, 2015, 11:47:33 PM
Our best bet to show the construction is if Rob has some pictures when he was there in June or July 2005!


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Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2015, 12:03:34 AM
Our best bet to show the construction is if Rob has some pictures when he was there in June or July 2005!

Red may have some photos too.  I'll dig around the next few days and see what I can find.

Have a good night all!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2015, 12:15:11 AM
http://cdn.redweek.com/photos/full/7/5/9/75985.jpg

(http://cdn.redweek.com/photos/full/7/5/9/75985.jpg)

Lighthouse Tower is the yellow/green building closest to beach. Compass Tower is directly behind it, Spyglass Tower is the L shaped building on right.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45313042@N08/5613885778/

Aurba Marriott Surf Club Filling The Lazy River 5
Preparing to fill the Lazy River at Marriott's Aruba Surf Club 2005.

Taken on October 19, 2005

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5188/5613885778_dc44371fef_b.jpg)


https://ourarubaexperience.wordpress.com/aruba-2006/

(https://ourarubaexperience.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/aruba-06-construction.jpg?w=450&h=257)

We found the Marriott Surf Club by faith or a solid recommendation from the person who was helping us decide where to spend our 2006 vacation.

Anyway, not knowing what to expect other than it was one of Marriott’s newer resorts we decided to take the leap. The resort was about 60% complete, although livable since it is right on the beach. Here is a shot of the Spy Glass Tower construction.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2015, 12:38:57 AM
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1623137@N21/pool/

There are several more pictures at the link of the Marriott Surf Club construction, as you scroll down the page each picture leads to an album.

Click on the picture to see more in the album.



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Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2015, 02:16:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: redheadedgal on May 22, 2015, 03:55:37 AM
if you go to google earth and look under "view" (top left), there is a "historical images" option. go to palm beach and search for the marriot and move the date slider to june 2005 to see the most applicable picture (june 22 2005 i think). there is not much built that i can see. lots of materials and equipment. i've tried to figure out how to post a screenshot, but i can't. sorry.

https://support.google.com/earth/answer/148094?rd=2#historicalimagery

if anyone speaks to beth, dave or matt, please tell them my thoughts are with them this month, as always. thanks!


 ::canadaflag2::


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Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
if you go to google earth and look under "view" (top left), there is a "historical images" option. go to palm beach and search for the marriot and move the date slider to june 2005 to see the most applicable picture (june 22 2005 i think). there is not much built that i can see. lots of materials and equipment. i've tried to figure out how to post a screenshot, but i can't. sorry.

https://support.google.com/earth/answer/148094?rd=2#historicalimagery

if anyone speaks to beth, dave or matt, please tell them my thoughts are with them this month, as always. thanks!


 ::canadaflag2::


Thanks for the reminder on Google Earth! DIdn't know it went that far back in time now.  Cool!  Here are a couple images.
2002
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaSurf2002_zpsicvxiq0l.jpg)

June 2005
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SurfClubJun2005_zpsvwcy72sh.jpg)

2008
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaSurf2008_zpskewpdxpu.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2015, 11:18:05 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaSurfCLub2004_zpsuofuh8xl.jpg)


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Post by: Red on May 22, 2015, 11:27:40 AM
Our best bet to show the construction is if Rob has some pictures when he was there in June or July 2005!

Red may have some photos too.  I'll dig around the next few days and see what I can find.

Have a good night all!

 ::justice2nj2::

I am looking thru all of my pics to see if I can't find something. Problem is I don't specifically remember searching near there. Trying to see if I don't have pics with the Marriott construction in the back ground. Either down from Pond draining, down from the Racquet club or on general from the beach. I can remember searching in some marshes that I thought I got this area in photos in the background.


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Post by: Ono on May 22, 2015, 03:36:29 PM
Wow-seriously great links.  Thanks all.  The guy's story sounds plausible to me-worth looking into in my view-what could it hurt? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 22, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
STILL Under Construction” 2 of 5 stars ... Review of Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147249-d218462-r3229663-Marriott_s_Aruba_Ocean_Club-Palm_Eagle_Beach_Aruba.html

“STILL Under Construction”
2 of 5 stars Reviewed February 25, 2005

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The stay in Aruba was great, as usual; however, this time we went on a time-share vacation to this brand new Marriott property. We came there on the first day that it opened to the public and stayed there for 7 days. First, to let you know, we are a young couple, without children, in our twenties ( just to have the perspective.) Below, listed are some minuses(-) and pluses(+) of this property.

Minuses

1.) The hotel was still Under Construction, and as far as I know, will be under construction untill 2007.
2.) The whole scenery on the photo that shows the hotel, is actually a picture and describes what the hotel will look like in the future. All of the "lazy river", extra swimming pools and jacuzzis are not built yet.
3.) Half of the time the hot tub was not operational.
4.) Our room was tiny. Later it turned out that our room was actually part of a suite that they devided because they overbooked themselves.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147249-d218462-r3229663-Marriott_s_Aruba_Ocean_Club-Palm_Eagle_Beach_Aruba.html#


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 22, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
From TXMOM from 2010 ... It is a very long post, I am going to quote some of the relevant passages. Can go yo the link to see the original post.

Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8103.msg1157520#msg1157520
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 - « Reply #195 on: June 12, 2010, 04:55:18 PM »

In today's Diario, someone from Holland submitted this theory about where Natalee's body may have been hidden.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mi-opinion-encuanto-e-lugar-unda-natalee-ta-dera/

Papiamentu translation: my opinion encuanto the lugar where natalee is bury - publication: saturday, 12 june 2010.

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It was as clear to me now like a lump of how the fork in the stem was and why I asked in mid-May 2008 Chief Moss to take action and show it to initiate investigations on the former site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

But what joke my surprise when he claimed that he sent in my email, stating my full theory, with drawings and all, could not open because the show PDF document was!?

Since he was to obtain 's search warrant to show a well-founded story at the court commissioner to knock, and he not therefore had was his proposal to the Marriott to seek voluntarily to cooperate with the investigation.

The same day I had the manager of the Marriott on the line and despite my assurance that the entire viewing exercise utmost discretion would go and show minor damage to the hotel would be caused, he is tough and I got zero on the petition .

My request to Mr. Moss for copies of the drawings were rejected, there was absolutely no understanding and cooperation.

My disappointment was great, but not quickly give up because I decided I was on my way to and vijtien months later I went to Aruba end of August 2009 and went right along with the DOW for photos of the drawings of the Marriott to make.
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Joran was 1.5 years courting the daughter of someone who was involved in the construction of the Marriott.

There was a key found in Deepak's car, but was subsequently lost.

Shortly after her disappearance appeared on the site of "Scared Monkeys" messages from one Shango, with all sorts of cryptic text and one of them was:
"Why did not His Lordship bring the key found in the car"
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There was over two weeks' n nasty smell around the site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

There was never sought because at night 's lock on the gate Sat

Dave Holloway told me that one day "short-cut was between the parking lot of the Marriott and the Holiday Inn.
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Their right is the Marriott Aruba Surf Club Phase 3, in terms of structure is finished and only needs to be finished and left, a row of containers.

Joran suggests that stars and look at Natalee's remark that there is already a roof on the hotel is right, then he points to show a small building at the very end of the site.

If your building plan of the hotel on Google Earth satellite image of June 22, 2005 submit, you will find that this building is the start of the emergency stairwell # 3 of "The Spyglass Tower".

They run inside, climb on the landing, go through the stairs to the first floor and steps in a "half" room, which later the space behind the elevators would be.

They go on the floor and stare together in love to the beautiful sky and everything is nice and peaceful.

But the true nature of man is only then upwards when there are no witnesses, because there is nothing from that horrible change, it's a beast, because suddenly brutally raped Natalee and Joran then breaks her neck!

He then takes her in his arms and running down the stairs and puts her on the landing.

He jumps down, pulls her into the hallway and grabbed a fire with a twist smacks her on the ground.

Then he pushes the sand to crawl away and he pulls Natalee at her feet inside.

He crawls to the end of the room and stuffed with sand near the crack.

His shoes, where blood is, he kicks off and leaves behind this spot.

He squeezes out again and again, he then closed the gap with sand and will then smiling, barefoot into the night.
 
I have this information to the Diario passed, because I just think that the Aruban entitled to it!
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Hopefully this tip with this black chapter is finally closed and Aruba One Happy Island weather really!
   
Jurriën de Jong
Hulanda


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 22, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ugnnr7.jpg)



(http://i60.tinypic.com/15nrolk.jpg)



(http://www.foxnews.com/images/168719/6_28_070405_aruba9.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: redheadedgal on May 23, 2015, 02:26:42 AM
klaasend, what exactly are you trying to point out within the red circles? thanks!




 ::canadaflag2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 06:06:18 AM
They're finally putting up some longer clips from Greta's show...   ::MonkeyCool::

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4250309980001/natalee-holloway-a-decade-of-mystery/?#sp=show-clips

Natalee Holloway: A decade of mystery
May. 21, 2015 - 7:49 - 'Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later': A look back at the infamous disappearance of student while on a trip to Aruba and the questions that remain unanswered


http://video.foxnews.com/v/4250309982001/joran-waits-out-clock-and-cashes-in-on-holloway-fame

Joran waits out clock and cashes in on Holloway fame
May. 21, 2015 - 5:38 - 'Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later': As a family grieves and suspicion continues to swirl around Natalee Holloway's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot tells lies for hefty price


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 06:09:35 AM
klaasend, what exactly are you trying to point out within the red circles? thanks!

 ::canadaflag2::

Not sure, but I think maybe she just had the wrong area.  From my own experience, the more I looked at pictures and satellite images, the easier it was for me to get turned around!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 08:56:26 AM
Ten years, wow.  For some reason it really hit me this morning.  Ten years.  I can't imagine, and hope I never know how it feels to be the parent of a child I've had to search for at all, much less this long!  I hope the lead is for real and can finally bring Natalee home for a proper burial, or at least maybe prove if she was ever there.  I still think she was in that cage, but could have been taken out there days later.  Still too many unanswered questions, and strange activities surrounding the whole ocean search and the recovery of the remains in that cage.  I'm waiting for someone to convince me it wasn't her, but I'm not holding my breath or anything.  Still have to wonder if Greta had all of the information, and this is truly a promising lead at the Marriott, why wasn't it mentioned in her show?

But as I sit here drinking coffee out of my Scared Monkeys Justice Train to Birmingham cup  ::MonkeyHeart::, Joran van der Sloot is where he belongs.  And for that, I'm thankful.  

Ricardo Flores said it five years ago, Stephany was an instrument of Justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/peru-cops-grill-joran-van-der-sloot-security-video-show-moments-stephany-flores-life-article-1.181363

Saturday, June 5, 2010, 5:01 PM

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Ricardo Flores, who buried his daughter Thursday, said he hoped Stephany's slaying can resolve the Holloway mystery. "My daughter was an instrument for (Natalee), so that there can be justice," he said yesterday.

We may have to wait a while for any justice directly related to Natalee's case, and it's really sad that Joran was protected and allowed to murder again; but Justice for Stephany in Peru has given us the tremendous gift of living the last five years knowing the monster is not still free!  

Still hoping someone will interview the Flores family, hope they are doing well.  Five years for them now without Stephany.  Although Joran was arrested fairly quickly, he tormented them throughout the trial process, and still seemed to have it too good in prison until he was transferred last fall.  Wonder how he is today, he doesn't seem to be getting as much outside attention there in Challapalca, lol.  But no matter how good Joran thinks he has it, or that he can still at least appear to even have a family; the Flores family can rest assured that if he lives long enough, when Peru is through with him; he's coming to Birmingham, Alabama USA for some more justice.

 ::monkeyflag3::  ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
klaasend, what exactly are you trying to point out within the red circles? thanks!

 ::canadaflag2::

Not sure, but I think maybe she just had the wrong area.  From my own experience, the more I looked at pictures and satellite images, the easier it was for me to get turned around!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Pointing out the main changes I see in those satellite views construction wise.  I realize it doesn't sound like the same area the witness said but the witness could have been confused or a language difference confusion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2015, 10:31:29 AM
Better?   ::MonkeyCool::

2002

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Aruba2002_zpsueiuzchu.jpg)

June 2005

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaJune2005_zpsfzbgpf4d.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
Better?  ::MonkeyCool::

2002

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Aruba2002_zpsueiuzchu.jpg)

June 2005

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaJune2005_zpsfzbgpf4d.jpg)

Yes!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::

But I could be wrong, I don't have any inside information!    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: cw618 on May 23, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
so the guy from this article, is the same one talking now
if he is, he seems to be saying about the same thing then as now


Quote
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Hopefully this tip with this black chapter is finally closed and Aruba One Happy Island weather really!
   
Jurriën de Jong
Hulanda

from this link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1601272#msg1601272


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2015, 04:20:13 PM
TM, I think I was fixed on that other location as it seemed like it was closer to the Fisherman's Huts and the area that Dave Holloway smelled something when he was searching for Natalee in June 2005. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 06:02:39 PM
TM, I think I was fixed on that other location as it seemed like it was closer to the Fisherman's Huts and the area that Dave Holloway smelled something when he was searching for Natalee in June 2005. 

That makes sense Klaas.  I always have to go back and look at your maps to refresh my memory on where everything is on the shoreline, so I hadn't even thought about it that way.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/videos/1094670130547846/

"There were no steps wasted and there are no regrets. I did all I knew to do." Beth Holloway



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Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2015, 01:29:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SZocUKSQjM

The Natalee Holloway Case on Greta Van Susteren from 12-1-2008 part 2 of 4
Uploaded on Dec 2, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/v/7SZocUKSQjM


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Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/natalee_holloway_10_years_late.html (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/natalee_holloway_10_years_late.html)

Natalee Holloway 10 years later: New facts, and doubts, about the case's future

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on May 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, updated May 24, 2015 at 8:14 AM

Miami University senior Dani Kaufman got the "Natalee Holloway talk" when she left for Spring Break on the idyllic island of Aruba.

"We all pretty much got the similar speech," the Ohio native said. "Stick with each other, don't leave with anyone you don't know. Don't go back to anyone's room. Watch your drinks. Don't drink too much."

Ten years after Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway vanished on a high school trip to Aruba – 10 years after news of her disappearance spread like wildfire across cable news channels and the world – Holloway has become both a point of reference and a point of contention in this island nation.

Police and politicians and government offices in Aruba simply will not talk much about Holloway these days. The topic is largely off limits, presumably because Aruban officials believe the American media and the Holloway family unfairly criticized island police and by doing so threatened Aruban tourism.

But Americans like Susan Miles – she and her family stepped off a Carnival cruise ship in Aruba in March – cannot set foot on shore without thinking about Holloway. Miles' mother, Mickey Arsenault, even asked her tour bus driver to point out the Holloway sites such as the Holiday Inn where she stayed before that fateful night.

"It's just such a huge blown up story for such a long time, even anywhere you live," Miles said. "And you just thought of the family, and the poor girl that just went on Spring Break, and you think of your own kids traveling and I think people are a little bit more nervous to send their kids on a vacation by themselves anymore."
 ::snipping3::

"For us, the case is still open and will remain open until we find out more concretely what happened to this girl,'' said Jossy Mansur, owner and editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. "I want some kind of definite closure in the case and that Beth would finally, finally have some peace of mind by taking whatever is left of her back to Alabama and have her buried there. It's very sad for a mother to lose a child like this."

Mansur, an Aruban native and prominent businessman who has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and who has written a history of Aruba, among other books, said the government doesn't share his newspaper's sentiments of solving the Holloway case and bringing charges against longtime prime suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 ::snipping3::

"They were let go because all of the judges are Dutch people and the Dutch stick together,'' said the 80-year-old Mansur, who graduated from Alabama's Spring Hill College in 1954. "For them, the case is closed. It will not be reopened. If you ask them officially, they say, 'Oh it's open and we're waiting for new information to come in. Nonsense. They're not even trying."

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
Thanks Klaas!

I've been wondering why we hadn't heard from Jossy yet...glad to see this interview!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/natalee_holloway_10_years_late.html

Natalee Holloway 10 years later: New facts, and doubts, about the case's future

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com

on May 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, updated May 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM


 ::snipping3::

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Mansur said the information he has received consistently throughout the years is that Natalee, van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers never went to the beach. "The information I have, and very few people know this, is that they did not go to the beach,'' he said. "They took Natalee to Joran's apartment. He lived on the same property as his parents, but he lived in an apartment isolated from the main house."

"They took Natalee there. And whatever happened in that apartment happened, but she did not come out of there alive,'' he said. "All this other information that has been floating around for years that she was killed or murdered or whatever on the beach is not true. As far as our information is concerned, she never got to the beach alive. She was in the trunk."

Mansur said they drove to the beach near the Aruba Racquet Club and waited for a friend of van der Sloot's , who dumped the body at sea. "They took her out to sea two or three miles,'' he said. "In Aruba, there is a peculiarity out there because in front of the beaches that run in front of the hotels, there's strong currents that can take anything in no time to the Central American coast, Costa Rica or Panama."

"So they dumped her with some of heavy thing that they pulled out of the trunk of the car, dumped her in the ocean, came back and disappeared,'' he said. "The very next day the investigation began, but it was a half-hearted investigation."

Mansur said van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot, never achieved his goal of becoming a judge despite several attempts, but he did hold a position of power in the Ministry of Justice. "It so happens that whenever anyone here in Aruba has a complaint against the police for whatever reason, they had to go before Paulus. He handled the police cases, and was very good friends with them,'' Mansur said. "When this happened, and the police knew that Paulus' son was involved, everything began to go wrong."

"There was no real investigation taking place there. They wanted to save the boy as best they could," he said. "I've never spoken about this before, but I know for a fact this is what happened. I have a very good relationship through the newspaper with the police. I had their confidence, and they would tell me things they would not tell out in the open."

Mansur said there are little-known aspects of the investigation. One is that Paulus van der Sloot insisted on surveillance cameras being installed in the interrogation room prior to interviews with his son. "Why? Because they were afraid they would beat him up, slap him, knock him over or whatever. They weren't all his friends, just the police who had been in trouble,'' he said. "I think they saw their own protection also in the cameras."

Secondly, Mansur said, is that the written reports transcribed from the recorded interviews with Joran van der Sloot were altered by Paulus van der Sloot. "He's the one who in his handwriting corrected whatever was dangerous for his son,'' Mansur said. "Very few people know this, but I do because I have copies of all of those documents."

Those police documents, he said, were later destroyed. "Normally they would file them or take them to court,'' he said. "They tore them up. They don't exist."

"To me, it was a cover-up investigation,'' he said.

 ::snipping3::

Quote
Most downtown business owners said they were too afraid to discuss the case. One shop owner did talk, but wouldn't allow his name used because he said the last time he spoke publicly to the media, he received a chastising telephone call from government officials. "It's almost destroyed me,'' he said. "My business has suffered."

"They want to get rid of the case. They want the case closed,'' Mansur said. "They don't want to hear anything about it. It did its damage to the island at that time, and they live with the thought that they don't want the case to be reopened."

"Economically, it didn't hurt Aruba. For a short while, yes,'' he said. "When it was going on for about 2 ½ years and all these newspaper people from the states were here, yes, it had to affect the island because all of the information they were sending was negative. It's gone. It's finished."

"Now? Aruba is benefiting from it in the sense that more people now know Aruba,'' Mansur said. "They've seen the pictures and the videos of it over all the big channels of the U.S. and Aruba's tourism has grown quite a bit, not because of that but to a point where we reach a million visitors a year."

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on May 24, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
Hello Monkeys! I don't post often but still check in here pretty much every day. I was wondering, has Joran ever discredited a witness so much before? Could he be calling this witness a liar because he doesn't want anyone to look? I know he loves getting his name in the news no matter how but I don't recall him ever calling someone a *** liar when they come forward.


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Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
Hello Monkeys! I don't post often but still check in here pretty much every day. I was wondering, has Joran ever discredited a witness so much before? Could he be calling this witness a liar because he doesn't want anyone to look? I know he loves getting his name in the news no matter how but I don't recall him ever calling someone a *** liar when they come forward.

Great to see you RoxiB! Very good point!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2015, 02:58:00 PM
http://blog.al.com/news_birmingham_impact/print.html?entry=/2015/05/the_disappearance_of_natalee_h.html (http://blog.al.com/news_birmingham_impact/print.html?entry=/2015/05/the_disappearance_of_natalee_h.html)

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway: A timeline
Dave Sharp | dsharp@al.com By Dave Sharp | dsharp@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on May 24, 2015 at 10:47 AM, updated May 24, 2015 at 11:50 AM


2005

    May 30, 2005: Natalee Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook disappears while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba.

    June 1, 2005: At 9:41 p.m., a day after Natalee disappears, Fox News Channel is the first to take the story national. "Tonight, a frantic search is underway for a missing Alabama girl," Greta Van Susteren said. Her less-than-one-minute report began an onslaught of media attention.

    June 5, 2005: Aruban police detain former hotel security guards Nick John and Abraham Jones on suspicion of murder and kidnapping. Both are released June 13 without being charged.

    June 9, 2005: Joran van der Sloot, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe are arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murder.

    June 17, 2005: Disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes is arrested.

    June 22, 2005: Aruban police detain Paulus van der Sloot, Joran's father.

    June 26, 2005: Paulus van der Sloot and Croes are released.

    July 4, 2005: The Kalpoe brothers are released without charges. Also that day, the Royal Netherlands Air Force deploys F-16 aircraft to aid in the search.

    July 25, 2005: A reward for Natalee's safe return is increased from $200,000 to $1 million.

    Aug. 26, 2005: The Kalpoe brothers are rearrested.

    Sept. 3, 2005: All of the detained suspects are released without charges.

    Sept. 14, 2005: The Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba remove all restrictions against the previously arrested suspects.

2006

    April 5, 2006: Dave Holloway publishes a book, which chronicles his frustrations and anguish during the first days, weeks and months of Natalee's disappearance.

2007

    Nov. 21, 2007: Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers are rearrested in the Holloway case.

    Nov. 30, 2007: A judge orders the release of the Kalpoe brothers.

    Dec. 7, 2007: Van der Sloot is released without charges.

    Dec. 18, 2007: Aruban prosecutors officially declare the Holloway case closed.

2008

    Feb. 1, 2008: Aruban prosecutors announce they are reopening the case. A judge, however, refuses to arrest van der Sloot.

2010

    Feb. 10, 2010: Paulus van der Sloot dies of a heart attack while playing tennis.

    May 30, 2010: Five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance, 21-year-old Stephany Flores is murdered in Joran van der Sloot's Peru hotel.

    June 3, 2010: Van der Sloot is arrested in Chile and deported to Peru the following day.

    June 3, 2010: Van der Sloot is charged in Birmingham with extortion and wire fraud. U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance obtains an arrest warrant, and van der Sloot is later indicted.

2012

    Jan. 12, 2012: Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King rules Dave Holloway meets the requirements for the legal presumption of death and Natalee is legally declared dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 24, 2015, 03:05:11 PM
Thanks Klaas!

I've been wondering why we hadn't heard from Jossy yet...glad to see this interview!   ::MonkeyCool::



Me too!



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Post by: grace-land on May 24, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
http://www.meridianstar.com/news/years-later-dave-holloway-pursues-new-lead-about-daughter-natalee/article_42be1bc0-01cc-11e5-b05c-a38f3e1392a7.html

10 years later: Dave Holloway pursues new lead about daughter Natalee
Posted: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:07 am

While a recent visit to Aruba proved futile in hopes of locating the body of his missing daughter, Natalee Holloway, Meridian resident Dave Holloway said he has no regrets about making the trip.
 
"I had to go, and I did," Holloway said about going to Aruba earlier this month to pursue a tip passed on by authorities from a man who previously claimed to be a witness to his daughter's disappearance.
 ::snipping3::

 But Holloway's thoughts are never far from seeking justice for Natalee.
 
"You know what really gets me is that young kids, they try so hard. In school, they try to make good grades – she was a straight-A student and really had a plan for what she was going to major in and what she was going to do in life. And then she goes on a trip and five days later – gone," Holloway said. "That's the part that's hard."
 
Saturday will mark 10 years since Natalee's disappearance. Holloway said he has no plans for a memorial service.
 
"I've buried her so many times in my mind that it's unbelievable," he said. "You get to where you have to let go sometime, and that's part of the closure process. You can't just keep reliving it."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 24, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
SATAN WAS CALLING ...

Quote
2010

    Feb. 10, 2010: Paulus van der Sloot dies of a heart attack while playing tennis.


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Post by: Kermit on May 24, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Better?   ::MonkeyCool::

2002

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Aruba2002_zpsueiuzchu.jpg)

June 2005

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaJune2005_zpsfzbgpf4d.jpg)

I think I marked this photo from the arubay videos. It looks like it may be a match to your photo with where the marriott is marked.

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/24glmib.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
*****NOTE...THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE*****

Part of the reason some people were banned from SM a long time ago, especially in reference to this case, was due to the DRAMA that revolved around them.  I don't do drama.

*****END OF PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE*****

 ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2015, 11:27:27 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MarriottDropShoes2_zps9fhhtpsr.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MarriottEntrancetoBeach_zpsbblnmtlu.jpg)


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2015, 07:55:22 AM
http://www.meridianstar.com/news/years-later-dave-holloway-pursues-new-lead-about-daughter-natalee/article_42be1bc0-01cc-11e5-b05c-a38f3e1392a7.html

10 years later: Dave Holloway pursues new lead about daughter Natalee
Posted: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:07 am

While a recent visit to Aruba proved futile in hopes of locating the body of his missing daughter, Natalee Holloway, Meridian resident Dave Holloway said he has no regrets about making the trip.
 
"I had to go, and I did," Holloway said about going to Aruba earlier this month to pursue a tip passed on by authorities from a man who previously claimed to be a witness to his daughter's disappearance.
 ::snipping3::

 But Holloway's thoughts are never far from seeking justice for Natalee.
 
"You know what really gets me is that young kids, they try so hard. In school, they try to make good grades – she was a straight-A student and really had a plan for what she was going to major in and what she was going to do in life. And then she goes on a trip and five days later – gone," Holloway said. "That's the part that's hard."
 
Saturday will mark 10 years since Natalee's disappearance. Holloway said he has no plans for a memorial service.
 
"I've buried her so many times in my mind that it's unbelievable," he said. "You get to where you have to let go sometime, and that's part of the closure process. You can't just keep reliving it."


(Bolded by me)
 ::MonkeyTears:: 

This just tears my heart out.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N4SPihSGFw

Aruba ten years after the Natalee Holloway case

al.com

Published on May 23, 2015
How does the Natalee Holloway case affect Aruba ten years after the case. We talk with locals and influential people on the island to see about the lasting impact of the case.

http://www.youtube.com/v/9N4SPihSGFw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2015, 11:44:14 AM
SATAN WAS CALLING ...

Quote
2010

    Feb. 10, 2010: Paulus van der Sloot dies of a heart attack while playing tennis.

And they protected him even in death.

Think of how many gruesome pictures we've seen of tourists or others, many who suffered the same fate.

No identifiable pictures of Paulus, though they obviously took some.

Yes, par for the course imo.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/2626

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT (TATA DI JORAN DI E CASO NATALEE HOLLOWAY) A HAYA UN PARO CARDIACO Y A SAK DEN OTRO Y FAYECE RIBA CANCHA DI TENNIS NA TIERRA DEL SOL
10 DI FEBRUARI 2010 21:59

foto di PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT (TATA DI JORAN DI E CASO NATALEE HOLLOWAY) A HAYA UN PARO CARDIACO Y A SAK DEN OTRO Y FAYECE RIBA CANCHA DI TENNIS NA TIERRA DEL SOL

Diaranzon anochi a drenta informe cu un persona a bira hopi malo y diripiente a sak den otro y cay riba e cancha di tennis na Tierra del Sol, mesora a
dirigi un ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di e ambulans a bin constata cu aki ta trata di un persona cu a haya un paro cardiaco (curazon a stop di bati)y a sak den otro. Mesora e paramediconan a inicia cu un Resucitacion Cardio Pulmonar C.P.R. mientras a cuminsa transporte cu urgencia pa hospital pero esaki tabata envano, ya cu na su yegada na hospital pa 9:55 di anochi e dokter anesteciologo a constata cu Paulus a fayece. Paulus ta tata di Joran kende tabata conosi pa e caso di desaparicion di e hobencita norte americana Natalee Holloway. Paulus dialuna awor lo a cumpli 58 aña. Palabranan di condolencia na famianan di e fayecido. Cu Paulus sosega na paz

Papiamentu translation:

paulus van der sloot (tata of joran of the caso natalee holloway) owing to achieve one paro cardiaco y owing to sak in another y fayece on cancha of tennis at tierra del sol 10 of feburary 2010 21:59 photograph of paulus van der sloot (tata of joran of the caso natalee holloway) owing to achieve one paro cardiaco y owing to sak in another y fayece on cancha of tennis at tierra del sol diaranzon night owing to enter informe cu one person owing to become much bad y diripiente owing to sak in another y cay on the cancha of tennis at tierra del sol, at once owing to dirigi one ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the ambulance owing to come constata cu here is deal of one person cu owing to achieve one paro cardiaco (curazon owing to stop of bati)y owing to sak in another. at once the paramediconan owing to inicia cu one resucitacion cardio pulmonar c.p.r. while owing to cuminsa transporte cu urgencia for hospital but this was envano, already cu at his arrival at hospital for 9:55 of night the doctor anesteciologo owing to constata cu paulus owing to fayece. paulus is father of joran that was conosi for her caso of desaparicion of the hobencita norte americana natalee holloway. paulus monday now will owing to accomplish 58 year. words of condolencia at famianan of the fayecido. cu paulus sosega at paz

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/2626/2_1265918104.jpg)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/2626/3_1265918104.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2015, 10:42:49 PM
Where are they now? 

Ariean de Bie, lawyer for Joran van der Sloot; winning the lottery and providing entertainment by whistling Beatles songs in a local restaurant.

(Remember, he's the one we were more than likely mislead into believing he was Ben King.)   

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/travel/2015/05/23/aruba-new-happy-place/8AmSxHi8Jy7HRMVNyBD0ZI/story.html

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Our final night was spent at the acclaimed Madame Janette Restaurant. Friends who had been to Aruba told us we had to go there — casual and lively and all that was promised. We dined on rack of lamb while listening to Ariean de Bie, a local musician, perform a fabulous rendition of the Beatles’ “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” by whistling it. It was so good, the crowd demanded more.

Looks like he won the lottery earlier this year too.

http://masnoticia.com/miyonario-di-2-4-yega-lotto-reclama-su-premio

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/02042015AdeBie_zpswgcywdze.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Ariean%20de%20Bie/02042015AdeBie_zpswgcywdze.jpg.html)

Papiamentu translation:

miyonario of 2.4 owing to arrive lotto reclama his premium loteria

4 feb, 2015

miyonario of 2.4 owing to arrive lotto reclama his premium lotto is much contento for informa people of aruba cu mr. ariean de bie owing to present at office of lotto today morning cu the ticket ganado of 2.4 miyon guilder of mini mega y mega plus, cu 9 of january, 2015 owing to wordo bendi at euro lottery. in less of one month mr. de bie owing to present cu the ticket ganado y his id valido. as already is conoci, lotto is the unique lottery at #aruba cu is give 90 day for cobra premium. then in the caso here will can owing to bay till cu 9 of april, but this not tawata necesario already cu in less of one month owing to happen busca the premium miyonario of mini mega combina cu mega plus cu owing to close the suma of 2.4 miyon guilder! lotto, the lottery of aruba is extremely contento of owing to part the first check miyonario of 2015. lotto, the lottery of aruba have 8 various wega; catochi, big 4, zodiac, game of number korsou of lotto, lotto of day, lotto 5, mini mega, y raspa y earn. cumprando lotto are you contribui at sport on we island. aim of the fundacion is for organisa lottery, change life of his hungadonan y at self instant inverti in sport local by donacionnan at the comision of subsidio.



Flashback:

omg, Carpe!  I laughed until I cried reading this again...   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHeart::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1294162#msg1294162


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2015, 01:12:47 AM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Dave_Natalee_zpsu8kromth.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Dave_Natalee_zpsu8kromth.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 26, 2015, 12:08:22 PM
Always enjoy seeing your photographs, Texasmom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 26, 2015, 05:08:11 PM
Always enjoy seeing your photographs, Texasmom.

Me too!!  ::rhino::  ::justice2nj2::
 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 26, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
Always enjoy seeing your photographs, Texasmom.

Me too!!  ::rhino::  ::justice2nj2::
 ::buzzbee3::

Me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
Always enjoy seeing your photographs, Texasmom.

Me too!!  ::rhino::  ::justice2nj2::
 ::buzzbee3::

Me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks ya'll!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2015, 11:06:27 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/flores1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/flores1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg.html)

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/world/natalee-holloway-father-interview/index.html

Natalee Holloway's father opens up about new lead
Updated 4:30 PM ET, Thu May 28, 2015

 ::snipping3::

Dave Holloway believes his daughter was the victim of foul play, her body thrown in the ocean.

Holloway recently got a tip from a man claiming to have witnessed van der Sloot carrying Holloway's body on the night she disappeared. Years ago, Dave Holloway received a call from the alleged witness, Jurrien de Jong, asserting his daughter was not in the ocean, but on land. Holloway originally brushed aside the call, one of many he received at the time from people claiming to know where is daughter was.

Holloway recently sat down with CNN's Martin Savidge in Meridian, Mississippi, to talk about the latest development and his daughter. Below is a portion of that interview, edited for brevity and clarity.

CNN's Martin Savidge: What did de Jong describe in his conversations with you?

Holloway: He says that a car pulls up and Joran and Natalee get out of the vehicle. This is on May 30, (2005) and this vehicle pulls into the parking lot at the Marriott hotel, and you can see a construction site and you can see the Holiday Inn ... and this area is enclosed with a chained fence. He says that Natalee says, "Well the gate's locked," and (Van der Sloot) says something about, "Well I know a trick," and somehow he, I guess, unwraps the chain and they go in ...

Then he sees them go across the construction site, and they get up on the platform, which I presume to be the foundation of the Spyglass Tower, and they run up to an area that's got half of a stairway built and they go up that and he loses sight of them. Then, approximately five minutes later he says they emerge with Joran carrying Natalee in his arms and apparently he knew that she was not living. He put her down on the concrete slab and then jumped down off of it and put her body down on the ground and then went and dug an opening under the slab and then put her body in it and then covered it back up and walked out.

Savidge: The Marriott has at least told the authorities down there that there wasn't construction or any significant construction of which the witness described.

Dave Holloway: I can tell you for a fact. I was there on June 1, and there was definitely construction in that area. June 1, 2005, because it was all chained up. And that's one of the areas we never searched because we assumed it's locked up and secured at all times, and they have construction workers there on site. It was something we assumed that that would never need to be searched and it wasn't.

Savidge: What changed your perception of de Jong and his story?

Holloway: Well I kept looking at it and looking at the facts and what he said, and I thought, man, I can't go here because I've gone through so many of these where they had details and facts and it turned out to be nothing... I called TJ Ward, (a private investigator), and said, "TJ I need a second opinion on this guy."

I said, "Can you look at this guy and talk to him and see what you think?" and so he did, and a couple of days later he called me back and said, "Hey, Dave, the guy passed this voice analysis test."

"I thought 'Oh my gosh,' and then I started digging more and more into it. I'm thinking maybe there's something to this, but I told TJ, I'm not going to get my hopes up. ... We had the opportunity about three weeks ago to go to Aruba and check this out and we did with a cadaver dog. We were kind of blocked in the areas that we wanted to do the search so it was kind of a failed mission I guess, so to speak.

Savidge: What were you hoping for?

Holloway: Maybe to get lucky, you know? And see and put this to rest.

Savidge: Did de Jong ever ask you for money?

Holloway: No.

Savidge: Do you believe his story?

Holloway: I want to believe it, but I don't want to get myself into a situation where I put all the marbles into this story and then it doesn't pan out and then I'm in a situation mentally where it's going to take a while to get over so I'm just cautiously watching and thinking, "How does this story fit in with what he is saying?"

Savidge: What would you like to see happen next?

Holloway: I would like to see that area in question is searched by a dog.

Savidge: Do you get the sense that people, at least, in Aruba would just like this to go away?

Holloway: Oh, I believe that absolutely.

Savidge: Is there ever a point you stop?

Holloway: No. As a parent you'll never stop. Never. I mean, your child is off in a foreign country and you want to bring her back home, and I've got the means and the ability to go down there and check and do it, and if I'm willing and able to do it, then I always will.

Savidge: You think about Natalee every day?

Holloway: Yeah. It always passes your mind. More so now with this new lead.

Editor's note: CNN's Martin Savidge received this statement from Jeff Flaherty, in Global Corporate Relations at Marriott International, Inc.

"As we have done all along, we cooperate fully with the authorities whenever they are conducting an official investigation."

Peru agrees to extradite van der Sloot to U.S. ... in 2038


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
There's a video of Dave and TJ with Anderson Cooper at the link too.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/world/natalee-holloway-father-interview/index.html


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 07:58:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiRE7NCu0c

Natalee Holloway's father looks back on last ten years
CNN

Published on May 27, 2015

It has been ten years since Natalee Holloway disappeared. Anderson Cooper speaks with her father David about his search for answers.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rDiRE7NCu0c


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 08:10:42 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Bring Natalee Home!


 ::monkeyflag3:: ::justice2nj2:: ::monkeyflag3::


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 08:11:45 PM
On CNN right now!   ::MonkeyDance::

Martin Savidge is going to ask the prosecutor why not search tomorrow night on Anderson Cooper.   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2015, 10:05:41 PM
On CNN right now!   ::MonkeyDance::

Martin Savidge is going to ask the prosecutor why not search tomorrow night on Anderson Cooper.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance::  Thanks for posting TM!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
You're welcome Klaas!    ::HelloKitty::


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
Natalee and her cousin, Rachel.   ::MonkeyHeart::

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Post by: grace-land on May 28, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
Video at the link

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/world/natalee-holloway-new-tip/

New clues, questions in Natalee Holloway case
Updated 9:15 PM ET, Thu May 28, 2015

Watch special coverage of Natalee Holloway's disappearance at 8 p.m. ET this week on "Anderson Cooper 360°."

(CNN)—Ten years after Natalee Holloway went missing, a Dutch citizen says he knows where to find her. Prosecutors, however, aren't buying it.

Jurriën de Jong told CNN's Martin Savidge that the teen's body is buried in a crawl space at a Marriott vacation property in Aruba, and he believes he saw her in her final moments.
 ::snipping3::
Aruba's chief prosecutor, Eric Olthof, says he spent weeks investigating de Jong's assertions, including a 2010 sworn statement to police.

When asked about what construction was underway on May 30, 2005, Olthof says Marriott officials said there was no construction at the spot de Jong pointed out.

"It's evident now the story of Mr. de Jong can't be true, so that's a closed book," Oltholf told CNN.

Enter Google Earth ...

On the other hand, some signs complicate Marriott's official time line of the construction of Spyglass Tower. A satellite image from Google Earth taken in June 2005, just a few weeks after Natalee Holloway disappeared, shows what appears to be the blurry outlines of structures that could resemble a construction site.

Holloway's father says he remembers the site from the day after his daughter's disappearance. "I can tell you for a fact. I was there on June 1, and there was definitely construction in that area," he says.

Holloway says he has information that construction began in February, but he was not clear on how he knows. Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30, 2005.

CNN's Savidge received this statement from Jeff Flaherty of global corporate relations at Marriott International Inc.: "Mr. de Jong has contacted Marriott in the past and each time we have suggested to Mr. de Jong that he present his account of the matter to the authorities. As we have done all along, we cooperate fully with the authorities whenever they are conducting an official investigation."

For his part, de Jong says he believes authorities are dragging their feet.

"It's the inconvenient truth. It would damage the image of Aruba as one happy island," he says.

Oltholf won't say that de Jong is lying, but says his statement can't be true.

"It's the statement of the management of the Marriott that at that time, at that place, there was no construction. When there's no construction, Natalee Holloway can't be buried in the crawl space under the foundation," he said.

And, he added, that Marriott has provided proof.

"I think they're not wrong because they can prove it with some photographs and some other material. And I think they are right with what they are saying. And Mr. de Jong can't prove it," said Olthof.
 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 07:46:05 AM
It's not hard for me to believe that it could have happened, there's another building that can be seen in an Oct 2005 picture on flicker that I've posted earlier...wondering if that has a staircase in it?  IIRC, it looked like a two story building.

It's just hard for me to believe they would have left her there, and no one noticed at the time?  Construction workers?

Maybe Aruba would rather just have everyone wonder if the Marriott is Natalee's coffin than check it out?  How could that possibly be a good thing?

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
It's not hard for me to believe that it could have happened, there's another building that can be seen in an Oct 2005 picture on flicker that I've posted earlier...wondering if that has a staircase in it?  IIRC, it looked like a two story building.

It's just hard for me to believe they would have left her there, and no one noticed at the time?  Construction workers?

Maybe Aruba would rather just have everyone wonder if the Marriott is Natalee's coffin than check it out?  How could that possibly be a good thing?

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Don't you think if they(LE) had found a body there, they would have hushed it up, paid off anyone who had seen it and disposed of the body immediately?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 29, 2015, 09:53:07 AM
It's not hard for me to believe that it could have happened, there's another building that can be seen in an Oct 2005 picture on flicker that I've posted earlier...wondering if that has a staircase in it?  IIRC, it looked like a two story building.

It's just hard for me to believe they would have left her there, and no one noticed at the time?  Construction workers?

Maybe Aruba would rather just have everyone wonder if the Marriott is Natalee's coffin than check it out?  How could that possibly be a good thing?

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Don't you think if they(LE) had found a body there, they would have hushed it up, paid off anyone who had seen it and disposed of the body immediately?

Aruba also has a lot of guest workers, and they could have been threatened and/or deported.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: cadillac on May 29, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
JMO - if Joran was going to have his way with a girl, doesn't it seem more likely he would take her to his apartment than some construction site?


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Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2015, 01:18:24 PM
http://wtvr.com/2015/05/29/natalee-holloway-clues/ (http://wtvr.com/2015/05/29/natalee-holloway-clues/)

Google Earth image offers new clues, raises new questions in Natalee Holloway case
Posted 9:28 am, May 29, 2015, by CNN Wire   

 ::snipping3::

Enter Google Earth …

On the other hand, some signs complicate Marriott’s official time line of the construction of Spyglass Tower. A satellite image from Google Earth taken in June 2005, just a few weeks after Natalee Holloway disappeared, shows what appears to be the blurry outlines of structures that could resemble a construction site.

Holloway’s father says he remembers the site from the day after his daughter’s disappearance. “I can tell you for a fact. I was there on June 1, and there was definitely construction in that area,” he says.


Holloway says he has information that construction began in February, but he was not clear on how he knows. Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30, 2005.

CNN’s Savidge received this statement from Jeff Flaherty of global corporate relations at Marriott International Inc.: “Mr. de Jong has contacted Marriott in the past and each time we have suggested to Mr. de Jong that he present his account of the matter to the authorities. As we have done all along, we cooperate fully with the authorities whenever they are conducting an official investigation.”

For his part, de Jong says he believes authorities are dragging their feet.

“It’s the inconvenient truth. It would damage the image of Aruba as one happy island,” he says.

Oltholf won’t say that de Jong is lying, but says his statement can’t be true.

2002

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June 2005

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Post by: Kermit on May 29, 2015, 02:25:01 PM
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/zmxw84.jpg)

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Joran being taken by polis to beach by Marriott.


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 05:47:36 PM
I didn't know.   ::MonkeyTears::

My sincere condolences to Beth and her family on the loss of her mother.  ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.ralphrobinsonandson.com/obituaries/Ann-Reynolds/

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Ann Nichols Reynolds

December 18, 1926 - November 17, 2014

Ann Nichols Reynolds, 87, of Hot Springs, formerly a longtime resident of Pine Bluff, died November 17th, 2014.

Born December 18, 1926, in Pine Bluff; she was a daughter of the late Charlie and Myrtle Green Nichols. Ann Reynolds lived all of her life in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, graduating from Pine Bluff High School in 1944. She was a member of the Beta Sigma Phi Exemplar Chapter.

Ann worked for 35 years for Guaranty Federal Savings and Loan where she was later Vice President of Savers Savings and Loan.

She married Paul Mundell Reynolds (deceased 2000) in 1948. Together they raised their family and enjoyed the lake at Hot Springs where she loved to boat and ski.

Ann was a faithful member of Carr Memorial Methodist Church for more than sixty years and a longtime member of United Methodist Women, her church choir and the Wedding Ring Sunday School class; then later a member of Lakeside United Methodist Church. She was an avid reader, loved to travel and was a competitive card player who loved Canasta and being with friends.

Ann was preceded in death by her parents; husband, Paul Reynolds; son, Gary Mundell Reynolds and her granddaughter, Natalee Ann Holloway (deceased 2005). Surviving are her children; son, Paul Mundell Reynolds, Jr. and wife Carla Caccavale Reynolds, of Pellham Manor, New York; son, John Phillip Reynolds, of Hot Springs, Arkansas; and daughter, Elizabeth Ann Reynolds Holloway, of Birmingham, Alabama; her grandchildren: Georgianna Jean Caccavale Reynolds, Nancianne Bella Reynolds, Paul Mundell Reynolds, III, Carl Baldi Reynolds, Patsy Marie Reynolds, Jeffrey Lynn Reynolds, Amy Michelle Reynolds, Laura Beth Reynolds, Matt Edward Holloway; her great grandchild, Hudson Barrett Hubbard; sister-in-law and lifelong friend Jimmie Lee Nichols, of Pine Bluff; and many loving nieces.

A service in celebration of her life will begin at 11:00a.m., Thursday, November 20th, 2014, in the Chapel of Ralph Robinson & Son with Reverend Pam Estes officiating. Visitation will be from 10:00a.m –11:00a.m. Thursday. Graveside service will follow in Graceland Cemetery. Friends may sign the online register at www.ralphrobinsonandson.com.

To honor Ann Reynolds’ memory her family asks that in lieu of flowers contributions be made to the general fund at Lakeside United Methodist Church, 1500 South Olive St., Pine Bluff, AR 71603.


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 05:48:53 PM
I've always loved this one.  Together again, such a sweet thought.   ::MonkeyHeart::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

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HT Carpe?

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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 06:16:35 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 08:24:18 PM
I just watched Martin Savidge's report on CNN, and the prosecutor says Marriott has provided proof that there was no structure where the witness has pointed out.  So they are not going forward with this lead.  Dave thinks the Marriott has given the prosecutor faulty information.  In order to search they would need to have a cadaver dog on site and drill a few holes in the foundation, no demolition would be needed. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/05/29/natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot-10-years-later

Natalee Holloway: 10 years, no answers
By Phil Rosenbaum & Stephen Loiaconi
updated1:48 PM EDT, Fri May 29, 2015


On May 30, 2005, around 1:00 a.m., American teen Natalee Holloway left Carlos'n Charlie's bar in Oranjestad, Aruba with three young men.

She was never seen by her friends or family again.

Holloway, an 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was on a post-high school graduation trip with classmates. She was scheduled to fly home later that day, but concern grew when she missed her flight.

Suspicion quickly turned to the three men she was last seen with, and specifically to 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot, the Dutch son of an Aruban justice official, initially claimed he and his friends dropped Natalee off at a hotel. He later changed his story and said he left her on the beach, but he maintained that he did not harm her.

Van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were arrested on June 9, 2005 and remained in custody for nearly three months as the investigation continued and the search for Natalee intensified.

In September 2005, however, they were released.

The years that followed would bring many moments of false hope for Holloway's family, fruitless searches by land and water, seemingly-promising leads that fizzled into nothing, surprising claims by alleged witnesses, and even an apparent confession by van der Sloot recorded by a secret camera.

At one point in 2007, van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were briefly rearrested, but no charges were ever filed.

Today, Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison, convicted of murdering another young woman, 21-year-old Stephany Flores, in a hotel in Lima on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

 ::snipping3::

Despite claims that recently surfaced from a new possible witness, what happened to Natalee Holloway remains a mystery 10 years later. 

::snipping3::


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Post by: grace-land on May 29, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
How does he know?  Why is he so sure?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

http://abc7.com/news/new-tip-raises-questions-in-natalee-holloways-disappearance/755340/

New tip raises questions in Natalee Holloway's disappearance
Updated 2 hrs 9 mins ago

 ::snipping3::
Jurrien de Jong claims he saw the chief suspect in Holloway's disappearance chase her into a construction site and later hide her body under a staircase of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.

Holloway's father said he saw construction at the time and Google Earth images back him up.

"What he is describing in his story matches what's physically there at the time. I'm thinking this could be something," Dave Holloway said.

Marriott officials said the site wasn't under construction on May 30, 2005, the date of Holloway's disappearance.

"That's useless to search there with a cadaver dog or drilling," Aruba prosecutor Eric Olthof said. "One thing will be sure, she's not lying there. She can't be lying there."

Marriott hasn't commented publicly about the construction timeline, only releasing a statement that it is fully cooperating with the official investigation.
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 11:21:04 PM
MIP6?

http://wtvr.com/2015/05/29/natalee-holloway-clues/

Quote
Holloway says he has information that construction began in February, but he was not clear on how he knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2015, 11:58:04 PM
How does he know?  Why is he so sure?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

http://abc7.com/news/new-tip-raises-questions-in-natalee-holloways-disappearance/755340/

New tip raises questions in Natalee Holloway's disappearance
Updated 2 hrs 9 mins ago

 ::snipping3::
Jurrien de Jong claims he saw the chief suspect in Holloway's disappearance chase her into a construction site and later hide her body under a staircase of the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.

Holloway's father said he saw construction at the time and Google Earth images back him up.

"What he is describing in his story matches what's physically there at the time. I'm thinking this could be something," Dave Holloway said.

Marriott officials said the site wasn't under construction on May 30, 2005, the date of Holloway's disappearance.

"That's useless to search there with a cadaver dog or drilling," Aruba prosecutor Eric Olthof said. "One thing will be sure, she's not lying there. She can't be lying there."

Marriott hasn't commented publicly about the construction timeline, only releasing a statement that it is fully cooperating with the official investigation.
 ::snipping3::


I wish I could have confidence in any of the prosecutors, they just don't seem sincere.  Maybe they are in other cases, but in this case I believe they are just puppets for a term of three years.  A search for a body in the foundation of the Marriott could turn a few heads I guess.  They figure they've about weathered the Natalee Holloway storm.  10 years, it should be about over right?  But they're wrong.  One person at a time, talked to two today.  There are too many other wonderful vacation spots than to give them a dime until Natalee comes home.  Jossy's right, they're not even trying.

The FBI knows, or has the ability to know about construction at that site at that time.  But then I remember the cage found by Americans a mile from the shore with human remains in it over seven years ago.  We still don't know who was in it.

Aruba doesn't want to solve this case.  If they EVER charged Joran, it would only be as some attempt to get him out of being tried in the USA.  You would hope he would be bad for tourism by now, but who knows?!!!!

JMO

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2015, 12:32:28 AM
It's not hard for me to believe that it could have happened, there's another building that can be seen in an Oct 2005 picture on flicker that I've posted earlier...wondering if that has a staircase in it?  IIRC, it looked like a two story building.

It's just hard for me to believe they would have left her there, and no one noticed at the time?  Construction workers?

Maybe Aruba would rather just have everyone wonder if the Marriott is Natalee's coffin than check it out?  How could that possibly be a good thing?

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Don't you think if they(LE) had found a body there, they would have hushed it up, paid off anyone who had seen it and disposed of the body immediately?
Last time I will invoke billb-my Dad...I followed along with his train of thought and will continue my posts with my thoughts......(by the way...he taught me the...... ::MonkeyCool::)..I was never keen on stacking quotes though. ::MonkeyTongue::
paulus-LE DID notice (found Natalee's body there) and immediately DID dispose of Natalee's body at sea....(through the fisherman's hut and help from Koen/family cover-up) Persistence crew DID find, and Kyle reported the remains-John covered it up and Kyle then went along with the cover-up...


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Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 12:43:46 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20394155,00.html

People Magazine June 21, 2010

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Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 01:14:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VktT8xY

Eva Cassidy - Over The Rainbow

http://www.youtube.com/v/2rd8VktT8xY


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 01:24:21 AM


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Post by: Red on May 30, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
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God Bless Natalee Holloway and her family


Its hard to believe Monkeys that it has been 10 years. God bless Beth, Dave and the rest of the Holloway, Twitty, Reynolds family.

So much has happened, so much hasn't happened and we lost so many along the way. We have had wins and losses and I believe there is still more to come.

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Throughout the day I am going to release posts on the front page and will copy the links to the forum.

The day year mark of Natalee's disappearance and death in Aruba also marks the 5 year date of the murder of Stephany Flores. Joran Van der Sloot is one sick SOB as it is obvious that is no coincidence that it was to the day that this sociopath struck again. We can take solace that he is locked away in prison. Personally, I would rather have in in a locked room for 1 hr. to deliver some Monkey justice. But that's me.  ::boxjoran::

To all, past present and future, who have taken the time, cared, researched, prayed and put Natalee Holloway, Beth, Dave and her family in your hearts as well as so many other missing persons, victims of crime, and their families ... thank you!!!


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Post by: Ono on May 30, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
God bless you Red and all devoted Monkeys.  And blessings to Natalee's precious family and friends. 
Thanks for all the links. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
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Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
Quote
On July 12, 2005 identity “clevfan” of “Major Wager.com” reported:

Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom’s cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don’t know his name.

The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran’s.
So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran’s classmate. Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran’s dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran, and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.****

I’m not kidding. Not even a little bit.

Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2015, 02:09:55 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8498049/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-july/#.VWoCuFKrEjU (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8498049/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-july/#.VWoCuFKrEjU)


'Scarborough Country' for July 6
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

 ::snipping3::

Mr. Merryweather, thank you so much for being with us tonight.  Tell us, why were you involved in that protest?  What do you think that Natalee's mother did wrong?

JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT:  Well, first—no, no, first of all, I'd like to answer why I was at the—not protest.  It was a gathering in support of our justice system.  It was not a protest.  It never started out as a protest either.  I would like that to be very, very clear.

When I was there, I hadn't heard what the comments of Natalee's mother either of the day.  I was asked that after I was there.  I went there.  I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  What did she say that was wrong?  What did Natalee's mother say that was...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  No, what did Natalee's mother say that offended so many people in Aruba?
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MERRYWEATHER:  Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.  You cannot—these two boys, I don't know them.  I don't know the parents.  I don't know anyone involved in this personally.

But our justice system, as yours in the states, you are innocent until proven guilty.  This system of ours, whether you agree with it or not, whether you understand it or not, allows these people to be free at this moment, but they are not free of charges.  They have not been exonerated from this case.

They have not been found innocent.  They are witnesses.  And they can be called upon at any time.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  OK, Mr. Merryweather, that is fair enough.  I mean, that is a fair enough point.  You're innocent until proven guilty.

Can you understand, though...

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2015, 02:10:57 PM
You can't tell me that John Merryweather didn't know Joran or his family, he may not have known the Kalpoes or the security guards though.  They were all lying, from the very beginning.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 30, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
You can't tell me that John Merryweather didn't know Joran or his family, he may not have known the Kalpoes or the security guards though.  They were all lying, from the very beginning.
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 30, 2015, 03:09:24 PM
Part 1: It Has Been 10 Years Since Natalee Holloway Went Missing, No Body … No Crime … And No One Tried, But We Know Damn Well Who Is Responsible, Don’t We Joran Van der Sloot?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/30/part-1-it-has-been-10-years-since-natalee-holloway-went-missing-no-body-no-crime-and-no-one-tried-but-we-know-damn-well-who-is-responsible-dont-we-joran-van-der-sloot/

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ITS HARD TO BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS …

May 30, 2005 … Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has gone missing in Aruba while on a class trip with her fellow Mountain Brook classmates to celebrate their graduation from high school, to begin their college careers and the rest of their lives. Or so they all thought. All of these young teens with their whole lives ahead of them, just celebrating one more time together before they went their separate ways in what was supposed to be a safe vacation surrounded by sand, sun and the sea. Like so many classes before them, a visit to Aruba was supposed to be the one last high school fling. Sadly, for Natalee Holloway it would be the one last thing she ever did in life, never to attend college, never to have the rest of her life. Enter Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe and everyone’s lives would be changed forever and not for the better.
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18 year old Natalee Holloway went missing on Aruba and was last seen leaving an Aruba bar, Carlos N’ Charlies, with three boys, Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe. The news of Natalee’s disappearance was not made public to the adults in attendance with the teens until the following day when it was time to head off for the airport to leave. Natalee was missing. From the outset, something was very wrong in how this case was being investigated. The Aruba police had the mindset that Natalee was just off having fun and she would return because this happens all the time. REALLY? That might have been some what okay reasoning for Aruba LE had any one of the three people Natalee was last with were missing too. However, they were not, they were already lying. What changed this case, brought it to the forefront and escalated it to new heights that we have never seen before in a missing persons case was that Aruba and the powers that be never imagines that the Holloway/Twitty family would have arrived so quickly on Aruba and hit the ground running trying to find Natalee. The Holloway/Twitty crew were doing the police and detective work that the Aruba LE should have already had done. Like I said, from the outset something smelled to the high heavens, and it was not just inept and incompetent police work, some was so bad it was obvious it had to be intentional.
::snipping3::

The fix was in from the outset on so many levels. More posts to come today and the weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
My rant for the day ....... I'm still livid at the "Persistence." Not only they did purposely ignore/conspire against the whole trap and "mission"  - they took public contributions for a commercial venture. While Kyle Kingman may have been duped, he is just as complicit for going along with it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 05:07:21 PM
You can't tell me that John Merryweather didn't know Joran or his family, he may not have known the Kalpoes or the security guards though.  They were all lying, from the very beginning.
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 05:12:40 PM
My rant for the day ....... I'm still livid at the "Persistence." Not only they did purposely ignore/conspire against the whole trap and "mission"  - they took public contributions for a commercial venture. While Kyle Kingman may have been duped, he is just as complicit for going along with it.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 05:29:40 PM
Click on the picture for video:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosecutorinarubahansmos1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosecutorinarubahansmos1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_rearrestedinnataleehollowayarubacas.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/rearrestedinnataleehollowayarubacas.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase1-1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase1-1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase2-1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase2-1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_vindadesousaattorneyfordaveholloway.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/vindadesousaattorneyfordaveholloway.mp4)


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Post by: wreck on May 30, 2015, 06:03:53 PM
Click on the picture for video:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosecutorinarubahansmos1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosecutorinarubahansmos1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_rearrestedinnataleehollowayarubacas.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/rearrestedinnataleehollowayarubacas.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase1-1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase1-1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase2-1.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/arubachiefprosectoronnataleecase2-1.mp4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/th_vindadesousaattorneyfordaveholloway.mp4) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/vindadesousaattorneyfordaveholloway.mp4)
We all know they had it right ........ Until they didn't


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 30, 2015, 06:03:58 PM
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Thanks to Red for providing this site, searches and his heart to families of the missing and lost. You really
started something that has grown and flourished and is something to be proud of. Hold you head high sir,
against all odds, you are still here, unlike the rest. That says a lot about COURAGE!!!

Thanks to Ms. Klassend for her dedication, hard work and most of all her loving heart on this site & in her life.

Thanks to the moderators who also dedicate, work hard and their hearts to the lost and missing families and members of this site.

Thanks to the family of Natalee Holloway who shared their beautiful, bright and loving daughter with all of us.

Thanks to the dedicated monkeys who continue to support Natalee's plight -  to be found.

Aruba no thanks to you who let a murderer free to kill again and may the blood be on your head.

Kyle Kingman, you can build your big fancy house, cover your guilt, but your cowardliness will be dealt with in the end buddy.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/x58rk2.jpg)

Thanks to Red for providing this site, searches and his heart to families of the missing and lost. You really
started something that has grown and flourished and is something to be proud of. Hold you head high sir,
against all odds, you are still here, unlike the rest. That says a lot about COURAGE!!!

Thanks to Ms. Klassend for her dedication, hard work and most of all her loving heart on this site & in her life.

Thanks to the moderators who also dedicate, work hard and their hearts to the lost and missing families and members of this site.

Thanks to the family of Natalee Holloway who shared their beautiful, bright and loving daughter with all of us.

Thanks to the dedicated monkeys who continue to support Natalee's plight -  to be found.

Aruba no thanks to you who let a murderer free to kill again and may the blood be on your head.

Kyle Kingman, you can build your big fancy house, cover your guilt, but your cowardliness will be dealt with in the end buddy.


Amen!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 30, 2015, 06:13:08 PM
You can't tell me that John Merryweather didn't know Joran or his family, he may not have known the Kalpoes or the security guards though.  They were all lying, from the very beginning.
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 07:46:10 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/x58rk2.jpg)

Thanks to Red for providing this site, searches and his heart to families of the missing and lost. You really
started something that has grown and flourished and is something to be proud of. Hold you head high sir,
against all odds, you are still here, unlike the rest. That says a lot about COURAGE!!!

Thanks to Ms. Klassend for her dedication, hard work and most of all her loving heart on this site & in her life.

Thanks to the moderators who also dedicate, work hard and their hearts to the lost and missing families and members of this site.

Thanks to the family of Natalee Holloway who shared their beautiful, bright and loving daughter with all of us.

Thanks to the dedicated monkeys who continue to support Natalee's plight -  to be found.

Aruba no thanks to you who let a murderer free to kill again and may the blood be on your head.

Kyle Kingman, you can build your big fancy house, cover your guilt, but your cowardliness will be dealt with in the end buddy.


Amen!

And Amen!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 30, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
You can't tell me that John Merryweather didn't know Joran or his family, he may not have known the Kalpoes or the security guards though.  They were all lying, from the very beginning.

I absolutely agree;  I had forgotten all about that off-putting man ... :(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 10:47:32 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/08/23/aruba-admission.html

 ::snipping3::

TWITTY: I met him in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba, I will. I am not going to accept that, especially with how the investigation was so poorly handled in the beginning. And the third thing, is anyone who can help put pressure — if the pressure needs to come out of Curacao, from the judges, to the defense team, to the prosecuting attorney — you know, if we've got specialized equipment on the island, just say the polygraph expert, that, you know, we need to utilize him. We certainly would not want to prosecute the wrong individuals.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you get the idea that you connected with him and got your message across to him, or did you think he was simply being polite and nodding and listening to the sort of — you know, the mother who's looking for a child, the grieved mother?

TWITTY: I think he genuinely sees that I'm not going to give up and I will not accept not finding Natalee for an answer. Like I said, this island is too small, it's too connected. There's no way that I will accept that.

VAN SUSTEREN: How long did you spend with him?

TWITTY: Maybe 30 minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was there any point when he discussed the investigation and — you know, any sort of, you know, things that he thought where the ball had been dropped?

TWITTY: Well, I think we both expressed our frustrations from early in the investigation. And there's no one that would disagree with that, of the incredible mistakes that were made early on.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was he at all specific in identifying where he wished that the investigation had been, you know, more thorough or more complete?

TWITTY: Absolutely. Those boys should have never been released out of there on May 31.

VAN SUSTEREN: And he agreed with that.

TWITTY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say why they were released?

TWITTY: No. We didn't get into that, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, when is the last time you spoke to him?

TWITTY: The last time I spoke with him was probably early in June. And I will at least say this much. You know, Oduber and the minister of tourism, are the only two officials that have ever stepped forward to me on this island. And I told him I respected him at least for coming forward to me early on. You know, I was very upset that no one else has made contact with me since, but...

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, is he going to do anything? Is anything going to change as a result of your meeting?

TWITTY: Oh, I don't know, Greta. The only thing I can do is make it perfectly clear what I will do.

VAN SUSTEREN: And when you made it perfectly clear that you intend to stay, how did he respond? How did he look when you said that?

TWITTY: Well, I think he knows that I'm genuine and I will carry Natalee's voice, if I have to, for the next 40 years. And if it's here in Aruba or if it's United States, I will continue looking for her, Greta.

 ::snipping3::



People Magazine June 20, 2005

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People Magazine July 4, 2005

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 30, 2015, 10:50:08 PM
My rant for the day ....... I'm still livid at the "Persistence." Not only they did purposely ignore/conspire against the whole trap and "mission"  - they took public contributions for a commercial venture. While Kyle Kingman may have been duped, he is just as complicit for going along with it.

 ::rhino::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2015, 10:57:56 PM
HT San

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Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2015, 11:05:12 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

People Magazine, May 30, 2015
http://www.people.com/article/natalee-holloway-10-years-later-no-new-leads-say-police

Natalee Holloway's Father Dave Reflects on Her Case 10 Years Later
05/30/2015 AT 09:10 PM EDT
 
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Natalee Holloway
Family/AP


The world held only possibilities for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, with graduation behind her and a freshman year ahead at the University of Alabama. But that world was cut short when she disappeared ten years ago on a sun-soaked trip to Aruba with her senior classmates to celebrate their achievement before going their separate ways.

For Natalee, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the path would end there. On the morning of May 30, 2005, as her friends gathered to fly home after a last night of partying on the island, Natalee was a no-show. Countless accusations, theories and false leads – including the later conviction of a prime suspect for another young woman's murder – have swirled for a decade without Natalee ever being found.

 "The police and the prosecutor's office unfortunately do not have any new tips or leads" about what happened to her, according to a statement the Aruban police shared with PEOPLE.

 ::snipping3::
Almost Justice
Yet both Holloways were sent reeling when van der Sloot, after fleeing Aruba with Beth's money before he could be arrested, traveled to Peru, where was later convicted of killing Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, on the exact fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. Peru's courts have ruled he must serve his entire 28-year sentence before he can be extradited to the U.S. to face trial for the extortion charge.

"Maybe he's not serving time for our case, but he's serving some time," says Dave Holloway. "He has to sit in a jail cell and think about it. He doesn't have his freedom."

"I'm satisfied where he's at, in one of the worst prison systems in the world."

Learning to Live
In their personal lives, Natalee's parents, each of whom wrote a book about Natalee and their experiences in Aruba, have sought to reconcile the past and present.

Dave, an insurance agent in Meridian, Mississippi, in his second marriage, now has daughters ages 12 and 17.

"I'm not going to allow myself to get back in the mental state that I was in the first three years – stressed out, mind roaming, you can't focus on anything," he says. "I have other children. You've got to strike a balance."

Last December he became a grandfather when Natalee's brother, Matt, 26, welcomed a baby girl, Rylee Ann.

And Beth, of Homewood, Alabama, who divorced her second husband after Natalee's disappearance, is now engaged again, she told B-Metro magazine.

"I'm in a place where I'm moving onward and upward," she said. "I'm not 'over' anything, because you don't get over the loss of a loved one, but you do begin to move on. There's never closure, because it's never over. But you do begin to find joy and peace and happiness." She also has returned to work with children in speech therapy, a job she held with the Mountain Brook schools in 2005.

With van der Sloot imprisoned in Peru on the Flores murder charge in 2010, Beth Holloway made a bold decision to travel there and encounter him face-to-face one more time.

"Once I visited … Joran in prison, and was able to walk away from there, it was almost a freeing experience for me," she told B-Metro. "It allowed me then to move onward …. I hadn't found peace and joy and happiness yet – but I began to recognize it and learned how to embrace it, and then I think it just led to place where I am now, which is a good place."

Says Dave Holloway: "I've always thought an anniversary was something to celebrate." Not so this May 30, which to him marks only the passing of time without knowing what happened, or finally having the chance to bring Natalee home.

"To me," he says, "it just marks 10 years."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 08:27:51 AM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/natalee_holloway_a_decade_late.html

Natalee Holloway: Alabama teen disappeared in Aruba 10 years ago today

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on May 30, 2015 at 8:00 AM, updated May 30, 2015 at 8:02 AM

On May 30, 2005 — 10 years ago today — then-18-year-old Mountain Brook resident Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba.

The effort to understand what happened to her continues to this day. Despite some recent reports purporting the emergence of new witnesses and evidence, authorities appear no closer to solving her case today than in September 2005, when all detained suspects were released by Aruban police.

After 10 full years of searching for answers, few new details have been uncovered. However, reporting by AL.com in Aruba led to refreshed connections with Aruban officials, including the island nation's chief prosecutor, as well as informed residents that have monitored the case's every move, such as Aruba's Diaro newspaper editor Jossy Mansur.

"They want to get rid of the case. They want the case closed,'' Mansur said. "They don't want to hear anything about it. It did its damage to the island at that time, and they live with the thought that they don't want the case to be reopened."

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 08:59:55 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/joran.jpg

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Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_archive.html

 ::snipping3::

Cruise Ship tourist protests in front of Courthouse
DIARIO Aruba
10/20/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): An American tourist who arrived Wednesday to our island on board the cruise ship “Volendam” of the Holland America Line, came determined to hold a protest in front of the courthouse.

Dressed in a t-shirt that says in the front: “Give Natalee Justice” and in the back “No Body ≠ No Crime”, the tourist expressed her opinion about Natalee’s case in silence.

Read in our edition from today what motivated Mrs. Maggie to take this type of action.

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Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2015, 09:26:53 AM
I LOVE that Jossie used the Joran Face of Aruba flag I created.    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 09:29:59 AM
Who stepped up to the plate?  How much did it end up costing them?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lawsuit Kalpoe against Skeeters too expensive
Amigoe.com
10/20/2005

ARUBA – “My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen about the rumours that his client Deepak Kalpoe will take legal proceedings against Jamie Skeeters in the States. Skeeters is the man that recorded a conversation with Kalpoe and sold it to Dr. Phil’s TV-show.

Oomen indicated that if there are possibilities to bring charges against Skeeters without it costing too much money, they will definitely consider it. “I’m still looking for those possibilities.”

 ::snipping3::

Posted by Getagrip at 10/20/2005 03:05:00 PM   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 09:31:45 AM
I LOVE that Jossie used the Joran Face of Aruba flag I created.    ::MonkeyDance::

I know, that was too cool!  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 09:41:57 AM
Klaas, you need to fix the picture if you can.  They've all gone poof! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: jamcakes on May 31, 2015, 10:02:16 AM
Wow, hard to believe it has been 10 long years without finding out more about Natalee.  I do believe that Beth had that case pinpointed those first few days.  It's such a shame that the van der Sloot family and Aruba covered the trutch with such subterfuge.  And poor Beth and Dave haven't been able to bring Natalee home to sweet Alabama. It's also such a shame thast Stephany had to die at the hands off Joran before he finally got taken off the streets.  How can all these people live with themselves?

I still find it strange that the day Paulus was arrested that Henninger guy dies in the cemetery supposedly at the hands of his wife.  Rene H ran the incinerator on the island, remember? Too many coincidences for none of it to fit together.

Anyway, my heart goes out to the families of Natalee and her loved ones.

Thanks Red for providing this forum for us for so long.  And to the many brave Monkeys that went ahead of us to their rewards, they are sitting right now in heaven knowing the absolute truth. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 31, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
I LOVE that Jossie used the Joran Face of Aruba flag I created.    ::MonkeyDance::

 ::rhino::

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
Klaas, you need to fix the picture if you can.  They've all gone poof! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

I'll have to look and see how Red linked them.  I think it has something to do with the SM server.  But, he could have also used direct from an old Photobucket account as well.  I'll check.  I can certainly fix this one.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2015, 10:56:44 AM
Klaas, you need to fix the picture if you can.  They've all gone poof! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

That one is fixed now!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 11:46:11 AM
Klaas, you need to fix the picture if you can.  They've all gone poof! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

That one is fixed now!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2015, 12:13:07 PM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

PEACHES

2NJ

BILLB

THE JOURNEY FOR JUSTICE CONTINUES....


  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 02:08:58 PM
Thank you to those who have provided comments regarding the never-ending and tireless efforts to help not just the family of Natalee Holloway, but others as well. Thank to all of you as well and the mods, past and present, and to Klaas.

10 years and I cannot even begin to say what an adventure this has been. Personally I have lost a parent, a sister to cancer and 4 beloved pets along the way, including my precious Phoebe, a Chihuahua mix rescue puppy who I still have not gotten over. I said to both Beth and Dave way back at the beginning of this case that we would never give up. Honestly, I never knew way back when that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become so big and take on a life of its own.

We were newbies back then. There was no Facebook, there was no Twitter, there was no Instagram. Technically, at the outset of this case Scared Monkeys had no Forum. We just had the Front Page blog. I can't begin to tell you what it was like to monitor comments back in those days. Refresh ... 50 comments, refresh ... 100 comments. We had to find a way to better organize and centralize the posts, criteria and comments. After pondering high and low ... Enter the Forum ... the Monkey Cage.

As I look back, it would appear that SM was one of the first sites on the web to incorporate a blog and a forum together. Back in 2005, you were either one one the other. Heck, blogs were kinda new at that point.

In 2005 SM was the on-line focal point of the Natalee Holloway case. We had the Front Page crew and the Forum and all the many different theories, opinions and comments. We learned along the way that not all moderators were created equal. Some had their own agenda and brought much drama. Some too much drama and were shown the door. The same could be said for many guests and commenters. One of the interesting things about SM is it was the originator of about 5 or 6 different blogs and forums of those who either had an agenda that was contrary to the goals of SM or those with opinions that were just to hateful or those with egos who just could not be apart of a good thing. BTW, the goal of SM was to find the girl and provide Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 02:42:43 PM
I had always said that I would release some things I had been holding back only if Natalee had been found or after 10 years. Unfortunately Natalee has not been found yet.

A couple pages back some of you were talking about mental make up of some folks that followed and sleuthed the case. Might I add, rightfully so. Klaas said, "Seriously?  It's one thing sleuthing and supplying information to an investigation and another completely inserting yourself into an investigation."

I could not agree more and it was something that I made a point to always be mindful of when covering and commenting on this case. As much as the "haters" always claimed that we did this or that, Red was this or that. The haters and jealous types made all the claims of what they were doing or would have done. They obviously could not have been more wrong or uninformed. But as Taylor Swift sings, And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate ...Baby I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake ...Shake it off.  And the fakers gonna fake, fake, fake ... Baby I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake ... Shake it off, Shake it off.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Natalee_Beth_Holloway.jpg)

Truth be told, SM never initially contacted any media outlet and said, we have this, or ever requested to be on radio, tv or interviewed for paper media. Not once. It was the producers of all the shows that contacted us or in some cases just stole our stuff with no attribution. SM was actually used as background information on one of the networks where the producers actually refused to name us. You have to remember that the media and internet blogs were so different back then.

The multiple times I was on Court TV was all them coming to me. In fact, I turned down many because they wanted me to show my face. And a little tid bit, After owning TACO Joe on a couple of interviews, he refused to go point - counterpoint with me and only would do interviews after I spoke. What a brave man. A high-priced NYC attorney afraid of little ole RED. What's the matter Joe, couldn't handle the truth, a challenge and some one who knew the facts inside and out, hmm?

But the one thing that I always wanted to maintain was that this was about finding Natalee.

I went back thru all my pictures and I cant really find any of me posing with either Beth or Dave. I think I have a couple of me and Beth at a missing persons event, but that's about it. The searches I went on were not about interjecting one's self into the story. In fact I tried to do everything not to do that. The folks at TES did not need a celeb, they needed a searcher. And that's what they got. When I was there in Aruba, with the support of all of you, we searched the landfill, the Pond, the Bird Sanctuary, the area around the Fisherman's hut and the VDS's neighbors yard just to mention a few.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Natalee_Holloway_dave-300x232.jpg)

Later I will be posting some pics from those searches that I do not believe have ever been seen before.

It was always about Natalee and helping the family. The translation of the witness statements were about helping the family. The searches were about helping the family. The tips and advice in dealing with Aruba were about the family. Taking the slings and arrows from the haters to shield the family was about the Holloway/Twitty family.

All the work that all of you have done was about Natalee Holloway and her family ... God Bless you all for that!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Thank you to those who have provided comments regarding the never-ending and tireless efforts to help not just the family of Natalee Holloway, but others as well. Thank to all of you as well and the mods, past and present, and to Klaas.

10 years and I cannot even begin to say what an adventure this has been. Personally I have lost a parent, a sister to cancer and 4 beloved pets along the way, including my precious Phoebe, a Chihuahua mix rescue puppy who I still have not gotten over. I said to both Beth and Dave way back at the beginning of this case that we would never give up. Honestly, I never knew way back when that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become so big and take on a life of its own.

We were newbies back then. There was no Facebook, there was no Twitter, there was no Instagram. Technically, at the outset of this case Scared Monkeys had no Forum. We just had the Front Page blog. I can't begin to tell you what it was like to monitor comments back in those days. Refresh ... 50 comments, refresh ... 100 comments. We had to find a way to better organize and centralize the posts, criteria and comments. After pondering high and low ... Enter the Forum ... the Monkey Cage.

As I look back, it would appear that SM was one of the first sites on the web to incorporate a blog and a forum together. Back in 2005, you were either one one the other. Heck, blogs were kinda new at that point.

In 2005 SM was the on-line focal point of the Natalee Holloway case. We had the Front Page crew and the Forum and all the many different theories, opinions and comments. We learned along the way that not all moderators were created equal. Some had their own agenda and brought much drama. Some too much drama and were shown the door. The same could be said for many guests and commenters. One of the interesting things about SM is it was the originator of about 5 or 6 different blogs and forums of those who either had an agenda that was contrary to the goals of SM or those with opinions that were just to hateful or those with egos who just could not be apart of a good thing. BTW, the goal of SM was to find the girl and provide Justice for Natalee.


Hear, hear!  Thanks, Red!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::monkeywine2::

With all we've seen and learned over the years, it's hard sometimes to have hope that Natalee will ever come home to her country, or have justice.

But miracles happen every day. 

I'll always have hope, and will continue to pray for Justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

So many roads we've been down, so many seemingly trustworthy people, that were anything but.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many with agendas wanted this site gone, and I'm sure many are still spewing their vitriol in various hidey holes.  But that's ok, they're where they belong, and we're still here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
Video at the link.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/05/29/flashback-first-reports-natalee-holloway

Here's one of the first reports on Natalee Holloway
By Chris Pettigrew
updated7:19 PM EDT, Sat May 30, 2015

Ten years ago, Natalee Holloway went missing on a beach in Aruba. Her disappearance launched a massive investigation but left behind mysteries that persist today. Here is one of the first reports CNN reporter Karl Penhaul filed on her disappearance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 31, 2015, 03:49:34 PM
I LOVE that Jossie used the Joran Face of Aruba flag I created.    ::MonkeyDance::

Me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 31, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Thank you to those who have provided comments regarding the never-ending and tireless efforts to help not just the family of Natalee Holloway, but others as well. Thank to all of you as well and the mods, past and present, and to Klaas.

10 years and I cannot even begin to say what an adventure this has been. Personally I have lost a parent, a sister to cancer and 4 beloved pets along the way, including my precious Phoebe, a Chihuahua mix rescue puppy who I still have not gotten over. I said to both Beth and Dave way back at the beginning of this case that we would never give up. Honestly, I never knew way back when that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become so big and take on a life of its own.

We were newbies back then. There was no Facebook, there was no Twitter, there was no Instagram. Technically, at the outset of this case Scared Monkeys had no Forum. We just had the Front Page blog. I can't begin to tell you what it was like to monitor comments back in those days. Refresh ... 50 comments, refresh ... 100 comments. We had to find a way to better organize and centralize the posts, criteria and comments. After pondering high and low ... Enter the Forum ... the Monkey Cage.

As I look back, it would appear that SM was one of the first sites on the web to incorporate a blog and a forum together. Back in 2005, you were either one one the other. Heck, blogs were kinda new at that point.

In 2005 SM was the on-line focal point of the Natalee Holloway case. We had the Front Page crew and the Forum and all the many different theories, opinions and comments. We learned along the way that not all moderators were created equal. Some had their own agenda and brought much drama. Some too much drama and were shown the door. The same could be said for many guests and commenters. One of the interesting things about SM is it was the originator of about 5 or 6 different blogs and forums of those who either had an agenda that was contrary to the goals of SM or those with opinions that were just to hateful or those with egos who just could not be apart of a good thing. BTW, the goal of SM was to find the girl and provide Justice for Natalee.


Kudos, Red.  I am an Alabamian very grateful for your [ and for Klaas' ] patient endurance, integrity, and steadfastness.  Semper Fi, all ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2015, 04:00:54 PM
Again, God bless you Red (and everyone here who follow and care)!!
I think you have alluded that Beth has followed The Monkeys over the years, but I have always been curious if the family has ever taken our own theories/info and pursued them to any degree. I'm particularly interested in the "cage."
I understand if you would rather not comment, but would like to know if we are at least considered. THANK-YOU!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on May 31, 2015, 04:23:21 PM
In my view, one of the immediate things which became rather obvious, was how cowardly those in authority
behaved when the realization became obvious [ to all around the U.S & elsewhere via media ], that serious investigation was needed.  The lack of responsible concern was stunning ... and still is, I might add.  

Is it their culture, there on Aruba, I wonder...  Had Natalee been a native of the Netherlands, would the proper investigation and proper pursuit of the actual truth been honestly pursued?????  

"Truth crushed to Earth shall rise again", Aruba. You can kick the can down the road, but it will, at some point in Time, emerge ...  The truth is sort of like the Law of Gravity, in my view ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
Again, God bless you Red (and everyone here who follow and care)!!
I think you have alluded that Beth has followed The Monkeys over the years, but I have always been curious if the family has ever taken our own theories/info and pursued them to any degree. I'm particularly interested in the "cage."
I understand if you would rather not comment, but would like to know if we are at least considered. THANK-YOU!!

Wreck, I can say this ... all we can do is present them and point them out to the family. Some highlighted and underscored more than others.  ::MonkeyWink::

Of course over the years I have gotten a little frustrated that sometimes they would follows others and stuff that I thought the people were not trust-worthy or were taking them down the primrose path. But in the end, its the family's call not mine.

My thought has always been that pretty much every theory needed to be vetted because the obvious ones were not coming up with any results.

I will say this regarding the water search. SM was supposed to be a part of covering and have a presence prior to it starting. When we got pushed to the side after being told we would have access and provided no reason ... Did not set well and I questioned what was going to happen. Unfortunately many of my concerns came to fruition. Not quite sure how things are mapped and not searched.

But that would not have been the first occurrence that some thing like that happened from the outset of this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Again, God bless you Red (and everyone here who follow and care)!!
I think you have alluded that Beth has followed The Monkeys over the years, but I have always been curious if the family has ever taken our own theories/info and pursued them to any degree. I'm particularly interested in the "cage."
I understand if you would rather not comment, but would like to know if we are at least considered. THANK-YOU!!

Wreck, I can say this ... all we can do is present them and point them out to the family. Some highlighted and underscored more than others.  ::MonkeyWink::

Of course over the years I have gotten a little frustrated that sometimes they would follows others and stuff that I thought the people were not trust-worthy or were taking them down the primrose path. But in the end, its the family's call not mine.

My thought has always been that pretty much every theory needed to be vetted because the obvious ones were not coming up with any results.

I will say this regarding the water search. SM was supposed to be a part of covering and have a presence prior to it starting. When we got pushed to the side after being told we would have access and provided no reason ... Did not set well and I questioned what was going to happen. Unfortunately many of my concerns came to fruition. Not quite sure how things are mapped and not searched.

But that would not have been the first occurrence that some thing like that happened from the outset of this case.
I had a lengthy reply, but my IPad overheated in the middle (we actually have sunshine in Dallas for the first time in a month!) I kinda thought so, but I still wish we could go back to square one and re-inestigateall the original leads!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 06:09:21 PM
A post from 2005:

A Note to Beth: Don’t Give Up, Dont Ever Give Up.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/15/dont-give-up-dont-ever-give-up/

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I am reminded in reading the following article from the AP, ‘Yellow Ribbons Strung for Missing Teen Fade in Sun, Along With Hopes of Solving Mystery in Aruba’, of a couple of very important lessons that I have learned in life. One being do not ever give up even when times seem difficult and overwhelming. The other is do not ever forget as we will be destined to repeat history. It appears that these lessons need to be taught again after reading this article that borders on the giving up of hope and eager willingness of many especially those quoted in Aruba to just move on and forget. One message is for the Holloway’s and Twitty’s, the other for many in Aruba.

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Let us take a moment and remember what this situation is all about. It is of the vanishing of a teenage girl and the desperate search for her who’s only guilt was going on vacation to celebrate her high school graduation. Remember when you decide to be tough on the family for acting in any manner with the grief they are going through. Remember this when Beth says things out of sheer grief and pain. Remember this when the loss of a child to a parent is more precious an valuable than any economic dollar amount.

    But now, even as she plans to stay on the island indefinitely, she says “she knows my life will never be the same“.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 06:10:41 PM
Interesting read, imo.

http://www.mejudice.nl/m/a/ar/de-economische-consequenties-van-de-verdwijning-van-natalee-holloway

Google translation:

The economic consequences of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
May 30, 2015
Topics: Macroeconomic policy
 
With the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005 created a media coverage of Aruba. That focus has had significant consequences for the Aruban economy. In a quest for the consequences of its disappearance are economists Hassink, De Kort and Knight said that this had a negative effect on the Aruban economy of between 0.5 and 2.1 percent of the (nominal) Aruban GDP (gross domestic product ) on an annual basis in 2005 and between 2.5 and 4.0 percent of GDP in 2006.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
And another from 2005 ... To Beth, one of the strongest individuals I have ever met.

Beth Twitty, EVERYONE’S MOM.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/17/twitty-defines-good-mother-one-we-are-all-proud-of/

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    “She learned things before the police did. She knew what to ask”.

    “A mother’s intuition is a powerful thing“.

    Birmingham News; VICKI COVINGTON, Twitty defines ‘good mother’

From the first moment that any of us saw Beth Twitty on TV, we all knew that she was a smart, caring, driven mom that would not be denied in her quest to find Natalee and answers. Many of us know for a fact that if it were not for her perseverance most likely two black security guards would have been convicted of a crime they did not commit and this case would have been brushed away as fast as humanly possible for reasons other than that of correctly solving it.

The Holloway’s and Twitty’s knew from the outset that the only way to maintain pressure on the investigation, probably not as much as what they would later understand, was to keep the story alive in the media. I would also like to say in the blog world as well, as many have cooperated with us to get the story out and to inform those interested readers that have been riveted to the story from “dawn to dusk and dusk to dawn”.
::snipping3::

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Although, I am sure that Beth would trade all comments about herself for Natalee to be found; Beth’s actions, determination and will have inspired us all. One mom’s determination has taken on an island for answers and the truth and for that she deserves our respect, admiration and support. Not only has Natalee become “everyone’s daughter”, Beth Twitty has become “everyone’s mom”.
Beth certainly has our support.
::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 07:05:55 PM
I love both of those, Red!    ::MonkeyCool::

Beth's the courageous mom that we'd all want to be in this situation.  ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless her.

 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
It's obviously Dave in the picture, but they call him Doug in the post. 

https://www.facebook.com/ELKCharityChallenge/photos/a.726772717409408.1073741830.726455340774479/823591767727502/?type=1&permPage=1

ELK Charity Challenge
21 hrs · Edited ·

Great day spent with Texas Equusearch - TXEQ at Jackie's Brickhouse today. We were thrilled to be able to present a check for $33,000 dollars to their tremendous cause. Just so happened to be the 10th anniversary of Natalee Holloway's tragic disappearance. Her father, Doug Holloway, was present and we had the opportunity to have him join us in the presentation of our ELK donation. Thank you again to all of the volunteers who make TXEQ the selfless organization that it is.

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11136757_823591767727502_6228940999203571801_n.jpg?oh=90117d1b56f182ad444e9075cfee6147&oe=55FA8A57)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205545286689143&set=pcb.842504535838470&type=1&theater

Roselyn Pierce posted on ‎Texas EquuSearch Fundraiser @ Jackie's Brickhouse Kemah, TX
8 hrs · Edited ·

Natalie Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, who donated books about his missing daughter for the auction, sitting with one of our biggest supporters, Louis Shaefer, who donated his beautiful condo in Costa Rica for auction and also supplies foot soldiers on the ground in water searches from his business Legacy Offshore. This IS my favorite photo of the day. — with Dave Holloway,

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11391398_10205545286689143_7749868642482653232_n.jpg?oh=f445dd5c1a171fcf79db57e3f6091569&oe=55F770E0)

https://www.facebook.com/texasequusearchandrecovery/photos/a.931295543569537.1073741828.200086846690414/993391400693284/?type=1&theater

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11393239_993391400693284_7827969610682554403_n.jpg?oh=0afbed8e0177c18228f0cd671da5be3a&oe=560C13C3)

https://www.facebook.com/JackiesBrickhouse/posts/904259282968840

Jackie's Brickhouse
8 hrs ·
Jackie and I want to say thank you once again to all of the TXEQ volunteers, the high school boys, the police officers, Daryl Turner (auctioneer) , Brian Bobb and his awesome cook team, our regulars, and our friends, family and our staff here at JBH .... You all did and AMAZING JOB yesterday and the fundraiser was a huge success. Together, you guys helped raise $175,000!

More pictures here:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.903823253012443.1073741895.104764199585023&type=1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 07:57:38 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I talked to Tim Miller today. They had a TES fundraiser yesterday that brought in some much needed donations. Dave Holloway was at the event and spoke. I had thought I was going to be able to make it to the event, but some things came up that prevented me from doing so. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/texasequusearchandrecovery

Tim said that they have been very busy, especially with the terrible floods that have taken place in Texas and Oklahoma. We chatted about so much. Some can be repeated, some can't.

I asked him about the new witness and his thoughts. Tim's opinion would be just to make certain of the credibility of the story to bring him to Texas and have him pass a polygraph similar to the 48 year old Aruban witness that passed 2 poly's: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/

I have to agree that when trying to get Aruba to budge off of center, one has to have all their ducks in a row and force them to a search by embarrassing them. My comment, not Tim's.

I asked him his opinion. Tim said he would search anywhere, on land or sea but in his opinion, he believes the ocean and crab trap theory.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
Louis Shaefer donating his condo in Costa Rica... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Such an upstanding American. NOT!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 08:48:50 PM
10 Years Later: Searching in Aruba for Natalee Holloway … The Search of the Aruba Landfill in 2005 for Missing Natalee Holloway (PICS)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/31/searching-in-aruba-for-natalee-holloway-the-search-of-the-aruba-landill-in-2005-for-missing-natalee-holloway-pics/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSCN0227-300x224.jpg)

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THE LANDFILL SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY … PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST AND WORST THINGS I HAVE EVER DONE …

On July 23, 2005 Scared Monkeys conducted an interactive, town hall style  on-line interview with Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch, the non-profit search team that had been searching for Natalee Holloway in Aruba since she had gone missing on May 30, 2005.  Texas Equusearch had been flooded with emails of encouragement and tips from the many followers and readers at Scared Monkeys that Tim granted the interview. Interactive web interviews are commonplace today, needless to say they were not in 2005 and the logistics to make it happen was nothing short of a miracle. Following the interview as I thanked Tim Miller on the phone and for TES’s great work in their search for Natalee Holloway, Mr. Miller did an amazing thing … he asked if I wanted to go to Aruba and help search for Natalee. Once we cleared up some logistics and made sure that we could pay for the ticket to Aruba ourselves so not to impose on TES or have them divert any funds from the search on our account, we let it be known that Red was going to Aruba to search with Texas Equusearch.

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From July 30, 2005 … Red searched the landfill from 10 AM till 3 PM. He said it was one of the foulest and god awful smelling places he has ever been in. For three days we searched the landfill and for every hole that was dug to a certain level, some one then had to get into it to do a more fine search with rakes and shovels. The picture below taken by a digital camera, although it looks grainy. That would be because of the constant Aruba trade wind blowing all the sand and crap in the dump around.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on May 31, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
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And for every hole that was dug like the one above, when we got to what we thought was close enough to the correct proximity of time, some one had to get into the hole and comb throw it to see if we made needed to dig deeper or had to use a rake, shovel and your hands to search. That would be yours truly in the blue shirt in the hole.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/31/searching-in-aruba-for-natalee-holloway-the-search-of-the-aruba-landill-in-2005-for-missing-natalee-holloway-pics/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill2-1024x766.jpg)

Guess who is that masked man dressed in blue.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill-RED-1024x766.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2015, 10:38:16 PM
How awful.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 31, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Louis Shaefer donating his condo in Costa Rica... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Such an upstanding American. NOT!!!!!!!!!!

tax write off.....
Hi good buddy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 31, 2015, 11:02:04 PM
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And for every hole that was dug like the one above, when we got to what we thought was close enough to the correct proximity of time, some one had to get into the hole and comb throw it to see if we made needed to dig deeper or had to use a rake, shovel and your hands to search. That would be yours truly in the blue shirt in the hole.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/31/searching-in-aruba-for-natalee-holloway-the-search-of-the-aruba-landill-in-2005-for-missing-natalee-holloway-pics/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill2-1024x766.jpg)

Guess who is that masked man dressed in blue.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill-RED-1024x766.jpg)

[img]http://oi58.tinypic.com/6jd1kn.jpg]/img]

Red and Dave Holloway, men who were willing to risk their health, their lives to find Natalee, while Aruba risked nothing but in the end it will all come back on them....tick tock.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 01, 2015, 12:36:44 AM
Thank you to those who have provided comments regarding the never-ending and tireless efforts to help not just the family of Natalee Holloway, but others as well. Thank to all of you as well and the mods, past and present, and to Klaas.

10 years and I cannot even begin to say what an adventure this has been. Personally I have lost a parent, a sister to cancer and 4 beloved pets along the way, including my precious Phoebe, a Chihuahua mix rescue puppy who I still have not gotten over. I said to both Beth and Dave way back at the beginning of this case that we would never give up. Honestly, I never knew way back when that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become so big and take on a life of its own.

We were newbies back then. There was no Facebook, there was no Twitter, there was no Instagram. Technically, at the outset of this case Scared Monkeys had no Forum. We just had the Front Page blog. I can't begin to tell you what it was like to monitor comments back in those days. Refresh ... 50 comments, refresh ... 100 comments. We had to find a way to better organize and centralize the posts, criteria and comments. After pondering high and low ... Enter the Forum ... the Monkey Cage.

As I look back, it would appear that SM was one of the first sites on the web to incorporate a blog and a forum together. Back in 2005, you were either one one the other. Heck, blogs were kinda new at that point.

In 2005 SM was the on-line focal point of the Natalee Holloway case. We had the Front Page crew and the Forum and all the many different theories, opinions and comments. We learned along the way that not all moderators were created equal. Some had their own agenda and brought much drama. Some too much drama and were shown the door. The same could be said for many guests and commenters. One of the interesting things about SM is it was the originator of about 5 or 6 different blogs and forums of those who either had an agenda that was contrary to the goals of SM or those with opinions that were just to hateful or those with egos who just could not be apart of a good thing. BTW, the goal of SM was to find the girl and provide Justice for Natalee.


Red, when I started SM all I had was a phone hookup-no internet.  I would get on line and I knew when I hit refreshed that I had to hangup the phone and try it again.  Trying to stay up to date was a chore.  I kept telling my son I didn't want internet because of the high cost.  Well, I changed my mind and told him to get it installed.

TM, thanks so much for all the pics.  It is just so sad that 10 years later nothing has changed and Natalee hasn't come home yet. 

Red, thanks for your articles.  Just catching up now and reading them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 01, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
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And for every hole that was dug like the one above, when we got to what we thought was close enough to the correct proximity of time, some one had to get into the hole and comb throw it to see if we made needed to dig deeper or had to use a rake, shovel and your hands to search. That would be yours truly in the blue shirt in the hole.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/31/searching-in-aruba-for-natalee-holloway-the-search-of-the-aruba-landill-in-2005-for-missing-natalee-holloway-pics/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill2-1024x766.jpg)

Guess who is that masked man dressed in blue.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill-RED-1024x766.jpg)


thanks Red for doing this for Natalee.  What horrendous conditions you were in and the risks to your life you took.  Do you ever look back and ask yourself if that was a smart move?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2015, 01:16:34 AM
Louis Shaefer donating his condo in Costa Rica... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Such an upstanding American. NOT!!!!!!!!!!

tax write off.....
Hi good buddy.

I wonder if Schaefer's Council, in his litigation with his investors, had a hand in offshoring some money?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on June 01, 2015, 10:32:50 AM
Thanks for the pictures, Red.  Just ghastly ... You all are heroes.  The stench must have been horrendous.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on June 01, 2015, 11:24:08 AM
Video at the link

http://www.today.com/news/natalee-holloways-mom-10-years-later-justice-not-being-served-t23631

Natalee Holloway's mom 10 years later: 'Justice is not being served'
Scott Stump
TODAY
2 hours ago

On the 10-year anniversary of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, her mother is still trying to find justice for her daughter — though she says she has found joy.

"It's hard to believe it's been 10 years,'' Beth Holloway told Savannah Guthrie exclusively on TODAY Monday. "It's just amazing how time has gone by. Where I am today is in a good place. I've been able to redefine my life, and I've been able to find joy and happiness through my son, through my son's new family, and my work, so I think I'm in a good place now."
 ::snipping3::
"Justice is being served for the murder of Stephany, but until Joran faces the extortion charges in the U.S., then justice is not being served for Natalee,'' Beth said.
 ::snipping3::
A Dutch citizen, Jurrien de Jong, has come forward claiming that Holloway's body can be found in a crawl space at a Marriott vacation property in Aruba. He told CNN that he witnessed a young man believe to be convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot carrying Holloway's limp body and putting her in the crawl space. De Jong claims he didn't come forward at the time because he was "involved in illegal activities."

"Actually, there is no truth to that story,'' Beth said. "Every time there's an anniversary, whether it's the five-year mark, and now it's the 10-year mark, there's always, I hate to say it, just like some crazies that just come out and they have so placed themselves in Natalee's story. It's empty. There is nothing to that story.

"This particular individual has been around for a while trying to get traction to get attention, but he has no information. I think it just makes me sad that he would just keep trying to insert himself into this role of her disappearance and (that) he has information when it's absolutely untrue."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2015, 01:56:21 PM
Video at the link

http://www.today.com/news/natalee-holloways-mom-10-years-later-justice-not-being-served-t23631

Natalee Holloway's mom 10 years later: 'Justice is not being served'
Scott Stump
TODAY
2 hours ago

On the 10-year anniversary of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, her mother is still trying to find justice for her daughter — though she says she has found joy.

"It's hard to believe it's been 10 years,'' Beth Holloway told Savannah Guthrie exclusively on TODAY Monday. "It's just amazing how time has gone by. Where I am today is in a good place. I've been able to redefine my life, and I've been able to find joy and happiness through my son, through my son's new family, and my work, so I think I'm in a good place now."
 ::snipping3::
"Justice is being served for the murder of Stephany, but until Joran faces the extortion charges in the U.S., then justice is not being served for Natalee,'' Beth said.
 ::snipping3::
A Dutch citizen, Jurrien de Jong, has come forward claiming that Holloway's body can be found in a crawl space at a Marriott vacation property in Aruba. He told CNN that he witnessed a young man believe to be convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot carrying Holloway's limp body and putting her in the crawl space. De Jong claims he didn't come forward at the time because he was "involved in illegal activities."

"Actually, there is no truth to that story,'' Beth said. "Every time there's an anniversary, whether it's the five-year mark, and now it's the 10-year mark, there's always, I hate to say it, just like some crazies that just come out and they have so placed themselves in Natalee's story. It's empty. There is nothing to that story.

"This particular individual has been around for a while trying to get traction to get attention, but he has no information. I think it just makes me sad that he would just keep trying to insert himself into this role of her disappearance and (that) he has information when it's absolutely untrue."


I was so glad to see the segment with Beth this morning.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLe6V6aUOXo

Natalee Holloways mom Ive found joy after 10 years

Published on Jun 1, 2015
June 1st, 2015
Natalee Holloway's mom: 'I've found joy' after 10 years
The mom of Natalee Holloway talks to TODAY's Savannah Guthrie on the tragic 10th anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, and recalls the suspects and false leads that have surfaced over the past decade.

http://www.youtube.com/v/nLe6V6aUOXo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on June 01, 2015, 05:57:18 PM
Texasmom

Beth looked so beautiful and calm today.  I'm happy to hear that she was able to find joy and happiness and is in a good place.  Justice will come for Natalee; we just have to be patient.    ::justice2nj2:: 

John looked good, too.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for all the updates and pictures.  You are an extraordinary monkey!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
Photo source: http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Xg2HrHoJ.Dc

(http://jeanpierrejans.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif)

Jurrien de Jong
FACEBOOK

https://www.facebook.com/jurrien.dejong.75
'Spyglass Tower' of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club, where for all those years the body of Natalee Holloway is hidden."

OH LOOKY HIS FRIENDS are:

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga
STEPH WATTS
SANDRA LANDMAN
Willam Cromvoirt





(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ilyq0y.jpg)
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyConfused:: :alien: :smt023


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2015, 06:08:07 PM
I never could understand buddying up with "dumb as a box of rocks" DJ Diablo/Steve Croes.  Did she think she'd somehow get Steve to tell her something? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2015, 07:36:10 PM
I never could understand buddying up with "dumb as a box of rocks" DJ Diablo/Steve Croes.  Did she think she'd somehow get Steve to tell her something? 

I don't know, but side boob is not attractive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on June 01, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ilyq0y.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I was hoping to God to never have to see that again.........................gee thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2015, 08:52:35 PM
Texasmom

Beth looked so beautiful and calm today.  I'm happy to hear that she was able to find joy and happiness and is in a good place.  Justice will come for Natalee; we just have to be patient.    ::justice2nj2:: 

John looked good, too.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for all the updates and pictures.  You are an extraordinary monkey!


Yes, she did look great.  I'm sure the frustration is there, but I'm thankful she's able to rise above it and be happy.

Many things were saved haphazardly before I really even knew what I was doing, so credit goes to many others for some pictures and videos.  My sincere apologies, but I don't remember who to give credit to most of the time.

But thanks for the compliment.  ::rhinoblush:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on June 01, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
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And for every hole that was dug like the one above, when we got to what we thought was close enough to the correct proximity of time, some one had to get into the hole and comb throw it to see if we made needed to dig deeper or had to use a rake, shovel and your hands to search. That would be yours truly in the blue shirt in the hole.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2015/05/31/searching-in-aruba-for-natalee-holloway-the-search-of-the-aruba-landill-in-2005-for-missing-natalee-holloway-pics/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/landfill2-1024x766.jpg)

thanks Red for doing this for Natalee.  What horrendous conditions you were in and the risks to your life you took.  Do you ever look back and ask yourself if that was a smart move?

That's kind of an interesting question. I would say the following, I could look back over many things in my life and ask the same question whether it was a smart move or not to do. At the time it seemed like the correct thing to do. One does not generally think of the dangers when you are in the middle of things. If you are asking, looking back on things would I have not searched the landfill my answer would be ... I would have. I might have taken a couple of precautions, but I still would have searched there. We cant always do things because they are safe. Folks who know me know I have always taken the road less traveled. If it meant finding Natalee, i would have been in that landfill for a month.

I do things because they seem like the right thing to do. They may not always be the smartest or safest from people looking in from the outside, but I do it because it feels right to me. If that makes sense.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Red on June 01, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
Thanks for the pictures, Red.  Just ghastly ... You all are heroes.  The stench must have been horrendous.

Yes Ono, it was quite something. Thank God for the prevailing trade wind. To be honest with you all, the hardest part of the search was not being in the landfill or the long hours of searching in the heat or the dodging of the media to be able to search instead of creating a circus ... The hardest part was coming home not having fulfilled the mission and goal of finding Natalee. It is hard to describe but I had to decompress after coming home because I felt as I failed the family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2015, 12:19:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/db96aa10-3748-4af6-bf68-49b4feb6c72e_zps0rnnyhby.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/db96aa10-3748-4af6-bf68-49b4feb6c72e_zps0rnnyhby.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2015, 01:56:28 PM
No idea who this is, but they're tweeting links to some posts here.

The picture caught my eye.   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008 (https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
No idea who this is, but they're tweeting links to some posts here.

The picture caught my eye.   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008 (https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008)

Thanks TM.  Wonder if it automatically grabs posts and links that pertain to missing persons?  Kindof looks that way.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on June 02, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
Texasmom

Beth looked so beautiful and calm today.  I'm happy to hear that she was able to find joy and happiness and is in a good place.  Justice will come for Natalee; we just have to be patient.    ::justice2nj2:: 

John looked good, too.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for all the updates and pictures.  You are an extraordinary monkey!


I second that ...  and Texasmom, I also really appreciate all of your dedicated hard work.
 
It's too bad that through some legal maneuvering Joran can't be extradited to Alabama sooner ... 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on June 02, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
I never could understand buddying up with "dumb as a box of rocks" DJ Diablo/Steve Croes.  Did she think she'd somehow get Steve to tell her something?  

I don't know, but side boob is not attractive.


LOL ... Does she shave, is the question.  [ And a little makeup would help. ]


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
No idea who this is, but they're tweeting links to some posts here.

The picture caught my eye.   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008 (https://twitter.com/DonateChildren/status/605535862340907008)

Thanks TM.  Wonder if it automatically grabs posts and links that pertain to missing persons?  Kindof looks that way.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe so, thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2015, 08:04:36 PM
Thanks Ono!   ::HelloKitty::

And I agree, sooner would be better!    ::boxjoran::


::MonkeyDance:: ::monkeyflag3:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::  ::MonkeyGavel::  ::monkeyflag3:: ::MonkeyDance::


But however long it takes...
People get ready, there's a justice train coming!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHeart::


HT Klaasend!   ::MonkeyKiss::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12718.msg1521900#msg1521900

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MonkeyJusticeTrain27d.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzLd2MDAHK8

Eva Cassidy - People Get Ready




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Ono on June 03, 2015, 12:45:47 PM
Thanks for the pictures, Red.  Just ghastly ... You all are heroes.  The stench must have been horrendous.

Yes Ono, it was quite something. Thank God for the prevailing trade wind. To be honest with you all, the hardest part of the search was not being in the landfill or the long hours of searching in the heat or the dodging of the media to be able to search instead of creating a circus ... The hardest part was coming home not having fulfilled the mission and goal of finding Natalee. It is hard to describe but I had to decompress after coming home because I felt as I failed the family.

Certainly easy to understand that feeling ... Probably all of us and Natalee's family and friends most likely share that sad feeling deep down as well...but it could not be more further from the truth.  God bless you and all.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Thanks for the pictures, Red.  Just ghastly ... You all are heroes.  The stench must have been horrendous.

Yes Ono, it was quite something. Thank God for the prevailing trade wind. To be honest with you all, the hardest part of the search was not being in the landfill or the long hours of searching in the heat or the dodging of the media to be able to search instead of creating a circus ... The hardest part was coming home not having fulfilled the mission and goal of finding Natalee. It is hard to describe but I had to decompress after coming home because I felt as I failed the family.

Certainly easy to understand that feeling ... Probably all of us and Natalee's family and friends most likely share that sad feeling deep down as well...but it could not be more further from the truth.  God bless you and all.



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 05, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
bout time for Joran to make some kind of noise.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on June 05, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
bout time for Joran to make some kind of noise.


Sounds about right - it is also about time that they were going to review his current prison status.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 07, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
My rant for the day ....... I'm still livid at the "Persistence." Not only they did purposely ignore/conspire against the whole trap and "mission"  - they took public contributions for a commercial venture. While Kyle Kingman may have been duped, he is just as complicit for going along with it.

I still wonder, and likely always will, whether the FBI ever received the video footage of the rendezvous dive with ALE from Silvetti.  Remember, the dive they scheduled and planned in advance but didn't have a diver rep on board the Persistence to join, ala the missing Tim Trehan (??).  The dive where they bagged all the evidence in the trap?  The dive recorded by the ROV that we have a few screenshots of?  What happened to the full footage - was it ever turned over and analyzed?


[A personal note:  For those unidentified few - Strangeness notwithstanding, I will never apologize for the time and effort I expended with the team at this forum.  They are some of my heroes and I'm not the least bit sorry.]


Peace and prosperity to Natalee's family and friends, always.


Abiding Gratitude to Red and Klaas.


 ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::

::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::

Hey Deepak Kalpoe -  Ready to Tell the Truth Yet?             No $$$$ for you!!!     


Peace, peace, peace, dear monkeys!  Never give up!!

 
::MonkeyBike::


JMO & OMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2015, 02:00:01 PM
My rant for the day ....... I'm still livid at the "Persistence." Not only they did purposely ignore/conspire against the whole trap and "mission"  - they took public contributions for a commercial venture. While Kyle Kingman may have been duped, he is just as complicit for going along with it.

I still wonder, and likely always will, whether the FBI ever received the video footage of the rendezvous dive with ALE from Silvetti.  Remember, the dive they scheduled and planned in advance but didn't have a diver rep on board the Persistence to join, ala the missing Tim Trehan (??).  The dive where they bagged all the evidence in the trap?  The dive recorded by the ROV that we have a few screenshots of?  What happened to the full footage - was it ever turned over and analyzed?


[A personal note:  For those unidentified few - Strangeness notwithstanding, I will never apologize for the time and effort I expended with the team at this forum.  They are some of my heroes and I'm not the least bit sorry.]


Peace and prosperity to Natalee's family and friends, always.


Abiding Gratitude to Red and Klaas.


 ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyGavel::

::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::

Hey Deepak Kalpoe -  Ready to Tell the Truth Yet?             No $$$$ for you!!!     


Peace, peace, peace, dear monkeys!  Never give up!!

 
::MonkeyBike::


JMO & OMO

Good to see you, Lifesong!   ::HelloKitty::

I don't know why I do it to myself, but I went back and watched the Dateline Persistence episodes a few days ago.  The same questions are still there, one being the one you've mentioned.  I just came away a little angrier about being lied to this time.  Karma's a bi***, that's the only thing that gives me hope.  TES is a wonderful organization, but my respect for the founder is gone.  Period.  Seeing Inside Edition's cameras in the rental car with Dave in Aruba took me right back to that radio show, that I listened to again as well.  Right after listening to that infuriating mess again, I came across the picture of Dave at the TES fundraiser cheek to cheek with Louis Schaefer.  Needless to say, there were no words that could have said what I was feeling, that were appropriate for the forum.  Dave was in the hospital when his good friends Steph and Tim Miller raked Beth over the coals over her going to Peru with Peter DeVries.  All of their accusations and the reasons they gave for having them, and then to see Dave pretty much do the same thing on a fruitless secret mission to Aruba with cameras in tow.  Wonder if Dave ever listened to that show, surely Robin made sure he did?  Has Dave ever considered the possibility that he is being led down these rabbit holes specifically to distract from the TRUTH?  If the media at the 10 year anniversary hadn't been covered in his new hope in a witness that's been around since right after the Persistence mission, (interesting timing, along with the pond witness imo) might someone have been asking WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE HUMAN REMAINS THAT THE AMERICANS FOUND OFF THE COAST OF ARUBA IN 2007?  Maybe not, since most of the general public only knows that Dateline said there was nothing there, and off they went on a wild goose chase to Nicaragua!

Now Tim Miller wants to bring Jurrien de Jong to Houston to the same polygrapher as the pond witness?  WHY? 

Aruba needs to give what they have back for a proper burial, cover up the recovery however they want as we all know they will; but give her back!

Natalee will never have justice in Aruba, but as long as she is still "missing" there; Beth has a right to go there if she feels the need.  All of the Aruban trolls saying she should be persona non grata every time she goes over there is revolting.  Why don't we see so much of that when Dave pops in?

I hope if I'm completely off base in my feelings, that one day enough truth will be revealed for me to resolve those feelings. But with what I know right now, that's how I feel.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyMad::

(I did laugh out loud when Tim Miller referred to Steph Watts as Stephanie)   ::MonkeyDevil:: :smt030 ::donkey3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2015, 01:21:35 AM
We have all been WITNESS to the nefarious acts committed by those who say they are seeking justice. Behind a nefarious act, is a nefarious reason for committing that act. The Persistence, Kyle, Tim, Louis, and the others have to live with their decisions and how the maker will view those decisions. I will let God be the judge & jury. But if it was my daughter and this is what people chose to do in her name, I would have my own nefarious acts that I would commit. Natalee Holloway deserved better, from her American counterparts.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 08, 2015, 07:25:19 PM
We have all been WITNESS to the nefarious acts committed by those who say they are seeking justice. Behind a nefarious act, is a nefarious reason for committing that act. The Persistence, Kyle, Tim, Louis, and the others have to live with their decisions and how the maker will view those decisions. I will let God be the judge & jury. But if it was my daughter and this is what people chose to do in her name, I would have my own nefarious acts that I would commit. Natalee Holloway deserved better, from her American counterparts.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 


 ::rhino:: Way, way better.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 08, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
Speaking of the Nefarious. Is it just me, or is Julia's facebook page gone?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2015, 10:38:13 PM
Speaking of the Nefarious. Is it just me, or is Julia's facebook page gone?

https://www.facebook.com/julliarenfro


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 10, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/212h500.jpg)

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2chu806.jpg)

Beth Holloway's new grand-daughter.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2ufsoiv.png)

There is no truth to the story
Beth says that this guy has been around for awhile



This video Beth states this person is trying to insert himself into the case
and there is NO TRUTH TO HIS STORY.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-missing-10-years-family-awaits-news-article-1.2242750


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 10, 2015, 02:48:50 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/23/28D522DE00000578-0-image-a-29_1431987077975.jpg)
Rylee Holloway born December 23, Matt Holloway is the father.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 10, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
Speaking of the Nefarious. Is it just me, or is Julia's facebook page gone?

https://www.facebook.com/julliarenfro

shoot  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2015, 01:10:14 PM
Beautiful cake for a precious little girl, but sad too considering...   :cry:

Natalee Grace is seven now.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207110248579089&set=a.10205938297241038.1073741838.1367785884&type=1&theater

Gail Kingman
Yesterday ·

Under the sea! This adorable sea/mermaid themed cake is perfect for a little girl's birthday...My own little girl:) Featuring water ruffles on the bottom and mermaid scales on the top… we fell in love with this sweet design!

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11535875_10207110248579089_8995473099079524038_n.jpg?oh=c89369f2468abf14c866cd61dd91e9f5&oe=562C1B59)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2015, 10:52:47 PM
Thanks TM  ::MonkeyTears::  It's actually disturbing to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2015, 03:27:59 PM
Thanks TM  ::MonkeyTears::  It's actually disturbing to me.

You're welcome Klaas, I felt the same way when I saw it.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2015, 03:30:58 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
snips from the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/photos/a.162242790457256.36266.158671177481084/1089948951019964

Quote
I would NEVER go to Aruba because of this case not being solved even tho we are fairly certain who was responsible. Nobody should go to Aruba.
May 13 at 8:01am

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Aruba will not see me until this is solved. Their government was nothing but an obstruction in the investigation.
May 13 at 8:52pm

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We avoid Aruba because of the way their govt. handled this case... Hugs to the Holloway family....
May 12 at 9:39am

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Same here...I refused a family get together that would have been on Aruba because of this case. The government there seemed to be helping in the cover up.
May 13 at 6:55am

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Just can't justiify helping their economy after they treated poor Natalie like that... frown emoticon
May 13 at 7:37am

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I refuse to go there also.
May 13 at 11:11pm

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To this day I refused to travel to Aruba because of this case. I just will not spend my $ there.
May 12 at 10:00am





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on June 14, 2015, 05:31:15 PM
 That cake is the same kind of diabolical mind that Jan van der Straaten demonstrated in his
painting. Perhaps it is a case of birds of a feather.

(http://www.bonaireinsider.com/images/gallery/2art-jan_van_der_straten_medium.jpg)
Photo source: http://nataleetimelinedetails.blogspot.com/2010/06/detailed-timeline-january-1-31-2007.html









Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2015, 02:04:33 PM
Maybe she should have just stayed there, she'd fit right in imo.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

http://www.wset.com/story/29383990/md-humane-society-employee-accused-of-embezzling-donations-for-lavish-aruba-vacation

Md Humane Society employee accused of embezzling donations for lavish Aruba vacation

Posted: Jun 23, 2015 5:24 AM CDT

GAITHERSBURG, Md. (WJLA) - A Humane Society employee is accused of stealing money from donations meant to help rescue and care for animals to fund an opulent trip to Aruba, authorities said.

Staff at the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) are stunned that employee Atiya Pope, 37, of Manassas, Va., is accused of stealing thousands-of-dollars from the animal rescue foundation she worked for.

According to Montgomery County Police, Pope routinely used her company 'Diners Club International' credit card to make dozens of personal purchases between February 2013 and January 2015. She allegedly dropped $17,307 on 21 Enterprise Rent-A-Car bookings, plus another $13,868 on food, gasoline and even a luxury vacation to the Caribbean island of Aruba. In total, Pope is accused of embezzling $31,175 from her employer.

"She wants to go to Aruba? Then she needs to go with her own money and on her own time. That's what vacation is for," Montgomery County resident Carmen Francis said.

In January, Pope was transferred to a new supervisor. Following a number of late expense reports, that manager did a light audit and uncovered fraudulent charges. Investigators said during a sit down interview with HSUS brass, Pope admitted to embezzling the money, but has not paid back a dime. She has since been terminated.

Pope, who uses her Twitter account to sell woman's high heels, did not reply to ABC 7 News' tweets seeking comment. She was also unavailable by telephone.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
Sounds like the audio from her recent special.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/07/01/greta-investigates-the-natalee-holloway-mystery-10-years-later/

Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later
Jul 1, 2015

It’s been ten years… and nothing. What happened to Natalee Holloway? The recent high school graduate  traveled to the island of Aruba with a group of classmates, and disappeared. Her mother and friends believe she was murdered, and they’re certain they know who did it.

FOX’s Greta van Susteren has been investigating the Natalee Holloway story for the past decade. In this special presentation, Greta examines the very latest information on the search for Natalee, the search for answers, and the search for justice.

LISTEN to “Greta Investigates: The Natalee Holloway Mystery 10 Years Later”:

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2015, 01:19:28 PM
Google translation:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/24228884/__Joran_bedreigt_paragnost__.html

Thu 02 Jul 2015, 23:24
Joran van der Sloot threatens psychic

our editorial staff
Joran van der Sloot has found a new victim in the form of psychic Robbert van den Broeke .
Robbert , best known for Irene Moors 'TV show  is so much more that was removed from the tube after it appeared that Robbert was especially good in "paranormal" Googling a couple of years ago penvriendjes with Joran. What would bind them is that they both claim to be psychic.
Joran spoke against Robbert desire to want to write a book about his own psychic abilities. Robbert felt that a prime idea and sponsored him with as much as 35,000 euros. And thus began the misery ...
Robbert tells Show that he is threatened by Joran. If he is not about making more money for Joran will he more "bombs" dropped on him, he writes in a threatening letter. Robbert is rotten startled, but did not report yet. Instead, he continues to believe in the goodness of man, even of Joran ... "But this is going too far. I do not feel threatened and attacked in my movement."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/232175832

Google translation:

Joran van der Sloot threatens medium Robbert van den Broeke: "I leave you drop bombs on '

BOSSCHENHOOFD - medium Robbert van den Broeke is threatened by Joran van der Sloot. If Robbert not transfer money to Joran Joran will "bombs" dropped on him. Reported Show Thursday. Robbert did not report. "I still believe in the goodness of man. With love you can change people."

Previously, the relationship between Joran van der Sloot, who is stuck in a prison in Peru, and Robbert van den Broeke still amiss. The medium from Bosschenhoofd sponsored Joran with 35,000 euros for writing a book about psychic abilities which he would have. The two would rather paranormal contact had. "This is going too far, however, the relationship is now vented. Joran wants to see money, he writes in a threatening letter. Robbert tells Show that he was very frightened. "This is going too far. I do not feel threatened and attacked in my movement." For the time being, Van den Broeke has always believed in the story of Joran. "But now he wants 15,000 and see if I give it, what does he get next week?"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2015, 01:41:07 PM
Hopefully, if he's writing threatening letters from his cell in Chalapalca, they'll keep him there longer!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2015, 07:30:58 PM
Lots of archived news videos from early in the case, haven't watched them all yet.  Nice transcripts too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS5BcO5jC_0

WRAP Search continues, suspects in court, DJ released
AP Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBVGwTC0qwQ

I/v with mother of Dutchman held in case of missing US girl
AP Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I-Dr9jlyrQ

Suspects may be formally charged with murder
AP Archive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJSWt8JpAQ

Interview with mother of missing girl, suspects in court
AP Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9PKlAJSWo

Latest on disappearance of US teen Natalee Holloway ADDS arrival of suspect
AP Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23xTYAuO7-0

Joran van der Sloot appear in court
AP Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFxk7n1_DeQ


Aruba judge orders release of Dutch suspect in Natalee Holloway case

AP Archive

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2015, 05:06:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CaribbeanWeatherCenter/posts/674012529399956

Today at 1pm there was 4.8 earthquake near the island of Bonaire

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11855851_674012402733302_7023556271784613025_n.jpg?oh=37c04bfa2ddbd820acfc8d63624eb7ee&oe=563EEC35)

More images of the location here:

http://earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2015-08-10-16-59-48-utc-4-8-15

4.8 magnitude earthquake 66 km from Catia La Mar, Vargas, Venezuela
about 5 hours ago
UTC time: Monday, August 10, 2015 16:59 PM
Your time: Monday, August 10 2015 11:59 AM
Magnitude Type: mb
USGS page: M 4.8 - 66km NW of Catia La Mar, Venezuela
USGS status: Reviewed by a seismologist
Reports from the public: 0 people


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2015, 11:27:14 PM
I guess no news is always "good news" when it comes to Joran -- he must still be the same hell hole in the dead of winter in Peru.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 12, 2015, 11:53:04 PM
I guess no news is always "good news" when it comes to Joran -- he must still be the same hell hole in the dead of winter in Peru.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::  Hi Wreck!!

 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on August 21, 2015, 12:02:44 PM
BREAKING:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I don't want to die': Killer Joran van der Sloot claims his life is in danger

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2015, 12:09:46 PM
BREAKING:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I don't want to die': Killer Joran van der Sloot claims his life is in danger

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/)


 ::boxjoran:: Neither did Natalee and Stephany  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on August 21, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
BREAKING:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I don't want to die': Killer Joran van der Sloot claims his life is in danger

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/)


 ::boxjoran:: Neither did Natalee and Stephany  ::boxjoran::

EXACTLY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 21, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
Love this paragraph


Challapalca Prison is located in the southern region of Peru and borders Bolivia. It sits 15,000 feet above sea level with temperatures that range from 46 degrees Fahrenheit during the day to –4 degrees at night year round. Visitors must travel for four hours from the closest town of Puno to reach it. Conditions in the prison have raised concerns from the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. There is no electricity or regular running water. Water for the prison is drawn from a well a couple of miles away.

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
It must not be too bad if he's got his wifey selling smuggled propaganda letters and promoting his upcoming book in the press.

If we're lucky his attention seeking will only gain him some extra time in his frozen hell.

If Ricardo Flores wanted him dead, he'd be dead.

If the prisoners wanted him dead, he'd be dead.

He's obviously still whining.  Maybe we should send him some cheese?   ::monkeywine2::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
BREAKING:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I don't want to die': Killer Joran van der Sloot claims his life is in danger

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/)


 ::boxjoran:: Neither did Natalee and Stephany  ::boxjoran::

EXACTLY!!

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:17:08 PM
Love this paragraph


Challapalca Prison is located in the southern region of Peru and borders Bolivia. It sits 15,000 feet above sea level with temperatures that range from 46 degrees Fahrenheit during the day to –4 degrees at night year round. Visitors must travel for four hours from the closest town of Puno to reach it. Conditions in the prison have raised concerns from the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. There is no electricity or regular running water. Water for the prison is drawn from a well a couple of miles away.

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino::

Justice comes in many forms. 

 ::boxjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:23:44 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:45:38 PM
BREAKING:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I don't want to die': Killer Joran van der Sloot claims his life is in danger

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/)


Joran has never been devoted to anyone other than himself.  If he should ever truly become a Christian, he will give Natalee's family peace; not continue to profit from her murder by using her name to sell his lies.  JMO

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/21/exclusive-dont-want-to-die-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-claims-his-life-is-in/

Quote
Van der Sloot, who claims he is now devoted to Christ,

Quote
Van der Sloot has long been the primary suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, who went missing while vacationing in Aruba.

Figueroa told Fox News Latino that Van der Sloot is in the process of writing a book about his life and said a chapter will be “dedicated” to Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 11:47:42 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 22, 2015, 09:11:39 PM
http://www.people.com/article/joran-van-der-sloot-fears-his-murder-in-prison

A couple of the comments.



If $10,000 doesn't get the job done, a gofundme page needs to be started to add to that. Count me in!
 
 

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Me too, are send his sorry A$$ to Alabama, we have people here that will take care of it for free!
 



 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: cadillac on August 30, 2015, 10:06:59 AM
Couple of thoughts:

Hope he is not killed there, he needs to stay and live out his sentence.

Wonder how much money his bride got for this "revelation"?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
Couple of thoughts:

Hope he is not killed there, he needs to stay and live out his sentence.

Wonder how much money his bride got for this "revelation"?

I just hope every revelation gets him that much more time in Challapalca!   ::boxjoran::

He's been there a year now, and it has been nice not seeing them in the press so much.

Shouldn't he be afraid of someone stealing his book and selling it after they murder him?!!    ::MonkeyWink::

The "I don't want to die" story surely sold faster and for more than just a book promo with a promised chapter about Natalee.  I hope his mother is proud.  They all make me sick!  JMO

   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on September 01, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
http://www.caller.com/news/local/beth-holloway-to-speak-on-womens-safety-wednesday-1e4c81a7-1175-0fa7-e053-0100007f71f1-323783651.html (http://www.caller.com/news/local/beth-holloway-to-speak-on-womens-safety-wednesday-1e4c81a7-1175-0fa7-e053-0100007f71f1-323783651.html)

Beth Holloway to speak on women’s safety Wednesday

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It has been about 10 years since Natalee Holloway went missing while on college trip to Aruba.

Today, young women like Holloway, and women of all ages, continue to face danger while out in the community and sometimes even on campus.

This is why the Laura W. Bush Institute for Women's Health and Del Mar College are hosting a Girls Night Out Wednesday to educate women on the best ways to stay physically and mentally safe; a lesson that will be useful while attending college and beyond.

The event will be at Del Mar College Richardson Auditorium and will feature keynote speaker and author Beth Holloway, the mother Natalee Holloway. Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005.

Beth Holloway will offer advice on making safe travel plans and smart choices. Mary Tripp from the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center will talk about the importance of skin care and sun damage control.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
http://www.kristv.com/story/29929333/tamucc-presents-girls-night-out


Posted: Sep 01, 2015 4:01 AM CST
Updated: Sep 01, 2015 4:43 AM CST
TAMUCC presents Girls Night Out

College is an exciting time for incoming freshman, and for many it can be overwhelming.

So, Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi is partnering with several groups to help incoming female students stay health and safe on-campus.

Tuesday night, the university has invited all its freshman ladies to a Girls Night Out.

The event will include guest speakers like Beth Holloway, an advocate for women's safety, and Gloria Hicks, a member of the Laura Bush Institute for Women's Health.

The night out will be from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. at the Anchor Ballroom in the University Center.

It's only open to incoming TAMU-CC freshman women.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on September 06, 2015, 07:41:11 AM
I agree wreck, if she was there; she was moved! 

WHY have they never said who was in that cage.  They know.

Every time I think about all of this it just makes me furious.

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::





 ::rhino:: ::boxjoran:: ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
I just saw an advertisement on Reelz for this tonight.

Saw short clips of Dave and John Q. Kelly.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/murder-made-me-famous/episodes/825979/

Joran van der Sloot
Season 1, Episode 6
September 19, 2015
A profile of Joran van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in 2005 Aruba. Five years later, he was arrested for the murder of a young woman in Peru and is now serving a 28-year prison term.
Watch Soon

SATURDAY, SEP 19, 9:00PM
REELZ



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Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2015, 11:26:38 PM
Thanks TM!  I sure hope the Sloot's aren't making any $$ from this show  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2015, 02:21:34 PM
Thanks TM!  I sure hope the Sloot's aren't making any $$ from this show  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope not too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran::


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Post by: MuffyBee on September 14, 2015, 08:23:03 AM
Thanks TM!  I sure hope the Sloot's aren't making any $$ from this show  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope not too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran::


 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on September 18, 2015, 07:46:49 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20953463,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20953463,00.html)

Natalee Holloway's Dad Recalls Tense Confrontation with the Father of Joran Van Der Sloot



By Steve Helling @stevehelling

09/17/2015 AT 04:35 PM EDT
In the 10 years since Natalee Holloway vanished while on a senior trip in Aruba, her father has never stopped searching for answers – and still believes that Joran Van der Sloot knows what happened to the 18-year-old.

In a new interview, Dave Holloway opens up about the search for his daughter – and recalls a tense meeting with Joran Van der Sloot's father, Paulus.

Holloway appears on this week's episode of Murder Made Me Famous, a true crime docuseries airing on the Reelz Channel. On the show, he recalls approaching Paulus Van der Sloot outside a courthouse in Aruba. He walked over and introduced himself. The two men shook hands.

"I squeezed his hand as hard as I could, to the point where his arm was shaking and mine was shaking," Holloway tells the show.

But Paulus Van der Sloot was ultimately unhelpful, "I have to do everything I can to help my son," he responded. "And that's what I'm going to do."

"I knew then that he had something to do with Natalee's disappearance," says Holloway.

It's likely that no one will ever know what – if anything – Paulus Van der Sloot was hiding. He died in 2010.


 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20953463,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20953463,00.html)

Natalee Holloway's Dad Recalls Tense Confrontation with the Father of Joran Van Der Sloot



By Steve Helling @stevehelling

09/17/2015 AT 04:35 PM EDT
In the 10 years since Natalee Holloway vanished while on a senior trip in Aruba, her father has never stopped searching for answers – and still believes that Joran Van der Sloot knows what happened to the 18-year-old.

In a new interview, Dave Holloway opens up about the search for his daughter – and recalls a tense meeting with Joran Van der Sloot's father, Paulus.

Holloway appears on this week's episode of Murder Made Me Famous, a true crime docuseries airing on the Reelz Channel. On the show, he recalls approaching Paulus Van der Sloot outside a courthouse in Aruba. He walked over and introduced himself. The two men shook hands.

"I squeezed his hand as hard as I could, to the point where his arm was shaking and mine was shaking," Holloway tells the show.

But Paulus Van der Sloot was ultimately unhelpful, "I have to do everything I can to help my son," he responded. "And that's what I'm going to do."

"I knew then that he had something to do with Natalee's disappearance," says Holloway.

It's likely that no one will ever know what – if anything – Paulus Van der Sloot was hiding. He died in 2010.


 ::snipping3::

The show comes on at 8 here tonight on Direct TV channel 238.  I'm going to try to watch it.  DVR's not working so I'm hoping I don't get busy doing something else and miss it!  I miss the DVR!!!!


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Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
Don't miss tonight's Dana Pretzer Show at 9pm ET

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Click on the link below at 9pm ET to listen to the show!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u (http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u)


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Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2015, 10:43:11 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




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Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2015, 11:16:54 PM
Important prayer request   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=21.msg1605142#msg1605142


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 16, 2015, 12:41:50 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


P.S. I've been working on my rafting skills...
::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on October 16, 2015, 12:44:51 AM
YOU THINK WE'D EVER FORGET, ARUBA?

IF SO, DUMBEST THING I EVER HEARD...

DANGER ISLAND IS NO PARADISE..


 ::donkey3::


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Post by: MuffyBee on October 16, 2015, 06:51:55 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


P.S. I've been working on my rafting skills...
::MonkeyCool::

 ::justice2nj2:: ::justice2nj2::
 ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 19, 2015, 05:13:58 AM

Natalee, I feel you must be sending signs and we are missing them.  Please, don't give up on us.  Lead us to the evidence of the crime that was committed on you that night.  You are no longer suffering and are in a better place, but your Mom needs closure.  She has been so brave and has fought so hard for you.  We are so proud of her as you must be, too.



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Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2015, 12:09:02 AM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/permalink/1054984367867511/

Quote
Louis Swartzkopf
16 hrs
In Honor of Natalee's 29th Birthday

21 October 2015

For as long as they live, there are going to be times when they need a little extra reassurance ... and just when they need it most, their little girl (now a woman) reaches through that misty barrier of space and time, gently tugs on their hearts, and whispers, 'It's OK, Mom and Dad, I'm here'.

I would have been 29 today, bound by earthly restraints. Do not cry, Mom and Dad, as I am forever, I am eternal, I am ageless.

I am in the blowing wind, the first blades of grass in the spring; the haunting cry of the night owl; the shriek of the hawk; and the silent soaring of the eagle. I am in the tears of the mourning; the laughter of children; the pain of the dying; and the hopelessness of the homeless.

I am the weightless, floating feeling when you close your eyes at night; I am the heaviness of a broken heart ... like an invisible cocoon, I surround you.

I am here in the moonlight, the sunbeam, the dew at dawn ... so do not cry.

Remember me with love and laughter, for I was, I am, and I will always be ... your Natalee.

::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Dave_Natalee_zpsu8kromth.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Dave_Natalee_zpsu8kromth.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



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Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2015, 07:30:59 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on October 22, 2015, 01:29:25 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::   :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 22, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: can on October 31, 2015, 07:51:04 AM
 ::justice2nj2:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
http://www.aporrea.org/internacionales/n280022.html

Google translation:

Aruba: 2 Venezuelans Looking for stealing a million dollars in a casino
By: Panorama Digital | Wednesday, 28/10/2015 3:35 PM

28-10-15.-Aruba police authorities investigating the Excelsior millionaire casino, located in the Holliday Inn hotel in Palm Beach area known as theft. Apparently, two of the three men who underwent a group of employees would have committed the theft of a million dollars, according to information provided by journalist Jenny Oropoeza, through his Twitter account.

Witnesses said armed criminals entered the Monday morning and beat four workers. Then they subtracted the amount mentioned.

The third alleged accomplice is a citizen of the island.

After knowing the fact, the security agencies deployed an operation to catch thieves, even the prime minister of that country, Mike Eman, reportedly ordered to close the border and prevent the exit and entry of Venezuela to apprehend the thugs.   

(http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/2015/10/casino-aruba-.jpg_1813825294.jpg)

Credit: awe24.com



http://www.elmundo.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/internacional/fotos---divulgan-fotos-de-tres-venezolanos-que-rob.aspx

PHOTOS | Disseminate photos of three Venezuelans who robbed a casino in Aruba

Carlos José Huerta Ibarra, Victor Manuel Valente Bathrobe and Julio Cesar Garcia Capdevill are the names of the alleged perpetrators

The incident occurred on Monday
The incident occurred on Monday (Credits: MasNoticias.com)

4:13 pm | Emen .- The image of three Venezuelan thieves who stole the Excelsior Casino Hotel Holliday Inn, on the island of Aruba, was released by the newspaper More News of Aruba.

Carlos José Huerta Ibarra, Victor Manuel Valente Bathrobe and Julio Cesar Garcia Capdevill  are the names of the alleged perpetrators that, on Monday, armed entered the casino.

The thugs tied up four employees and beat them with the handles of their weapons. Apparently a Aruban citizen is also linked to the robbery, as quoted by the newspaper.

The authorities work to catch thieves and ask citizens to provide information on the whereabouts.



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Post by: Keepthefaith on November 11, 2015, 01:15:06 AM
KTF's parachute must not have deployed and this monkey must have splatted on the ground, finally.... ::MonkeyTears::


::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on November 11, 2015, 01:17:26 AM
TWO  ANGELS WHO WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN

NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

::MonkeyAngel::      ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2015, 02:11:01 AM
https://www.facebook.com/abc7chicago/photos/a.419473366161.196130.165583971161/10152144189891162/?type=3&permPage=1

ABC 7 Chicago
January 7, 2014 ·

Parents of the most high-profile missing persons cases of our time – Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy, Natalee Holloway and JonBenet Ramsey – on overcoming grief and changing the laws to help other families today on Katie at 3 pm.

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Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2015, 02:18:30 AM
https://www.facebook.com/communityfoundationcolliercounty/photos/a.452101048202484.1073741828.452037298208859/930783013667616/?type=3&permPage=1

Community Foundation of Collier County

There’s still time to reserve your Power of the Purse table/tickets! Don’t miss keynote speaker Beth Holloway – author, educator and mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba – as she discusses hope, faith, courage, and perseverance. Learn more and reserve online at cfcollier.org.

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http://www.cfcollier.org/archives/womens-foundation-of-collier-county-extends-invitations-to-power-of-the-purse-2015/


Women’s Foundation of Collier County Extends Invitations to Power of the Purse 2015
Posted on September 1, 2015

The Power of the Purse 2015 luncheon event, featuring keynote speaker, author, and educator, Beth Holloway, will be held on December 11, 2015 at Naples Grande Beach Resort. This event is hosted by the Women’s Foundation of Collier County and BMO Private Bank, with additional support provided by Gulfshore Life.

The Power of the Purse brings together civic-minded leaders whose charitable activities help improve the well-being of at-risk women and girls in our community. Net proceeds from the event support the Women’s Foundation of Collier County. Power of the Purse attendees will hear from Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba, on hope, faith, courage, and perseverance. Event attendees can also participate in a drawing for fabulous designer handbags.

 ::snipping3::

Community Foundation president, Eileen Connolly-Keesler, spoke about the Women’s Foundation mission: “The Women’s Foundation is the only organization in Collier County dedicated to building an endowment to support the unmet and changing needs of women and girls. These resources acquired during the Power of the Purse will guarantee that, even in difficult economic times, there will always be a source of funding available to address those needs.”

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on December 07, 2015, 08:04:10 PM
http://www.elpopular.pe/actualidad-y-policiales/2015-12-01-esposa-de-van-der-sloot-quiere-ir-aruba

Google translation:

Along with the daughter of the murderer
Van der Sloot's wife wants to go to Aruba
December 1, 2015 | 5:30 a.m..


Dutch Wife murderer Joran van der Sloot, Leydi Figueroa, requested the peace courts Puno permission to travel with her youngest daughter Dushy to Aruba, to visit his grandparents.
 
This order did the young mother would have received after the invitation of his paternal grandparents to spend the holidays in the country.
 
However, the court of Puno would have to evaluate and go to the Challapalca prison in Tacna, where he is being held her husband, the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot, to interrogate and sign out of her daughter.
 
It was learned that the child would have the Dutch nationality, but can not travel alone with her mother for being underage and therefore needs the signature of his father and a family court judge.
 
Leydi Figueroa is desperate for getting out of her daughter who turned one year.


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Post by: texasmom on December 07, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
http://www.eltiempo.com/estilo-de-vida/viajar/colombianos-ya-no-necesitan-visa-para-viajar-a-aruba/16447259

Google translation:

Aruba no longer requires them visas to Colombians
Since December 3 becomes effective the measure, which seeks to promote tourism on the island.

By:  TRAVEL  |

24:08 | December 3, 2015
Since December 3 Colombians no longer need visas to travel to Aruba. The island decided to stop demanding that requirement, in a move intended to boost tourism domestic travelers in this Caribbean destination.

"Colombia is one of our main markets. The growth of Colombian interested in learning or repeat their experience on the island is evidenced by the gradual increase of airlines flying between the two destinations, "said tourism authorities of Aruba and reported that in 2014, 23,836 Colombians visited it known as the Happy Island.

They added that currently exist, week seven direct flights from Avianca from Bogota, in addition to eleven Cup, with connection in Panama City; two weekly flights from Bogota and 4 LAN InselAir flights a week, two from Barranquilla through Curacao and two direct from Medellin.

Now travel to Aruba will be even easier, without formalities and just 1 hour and 20 minutes from Bogota.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on December 07, 2015, 10:47:49 PM
Still seeking justice, after all these years.

God Bless everyone who has ever contributed to seeking justice, for two girls who unfortunately crossed the path of an enabled monster.

Thinking of all you Monkey's during this holiday season and hoping you and your family stay safe.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 09, 2015, 06:43:08 PM
http://www.elpopular.pe/actualidad-y-policiales/2015-12-01-esposa-de-van-der-sloot-quiere-ir-aruba

Google translation:

Along with the daughter of the murderer
Van der Sloot's wife wants to go to Aruba
December 1, 2015 | 5:30 a.m..


Dutch Wife murderer Joran van der Sloot, Leydi Figueroa, requested the peace courts Puno permission to travel with her youngest daughter Dushy to Aruba, to visit his grandparents.
 
This order did the young mother would have received after the invitation of his paternal grandparents to spend the holidays in the country.
 
However, the court of Puno would have to evaluate and go to the Challapalca prison in Tacna, where he is being held her husband, the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot, to interrogate and sign out of her daughter.
 
It was learned that the child would have the Dutch nationality, but can not travel alone with her mother for being underage and therefore needs the signature of his father and a family court judge.
 
Leydi Figueroa is desperate for getting out of her daughter who turned one year.

http://www.diario.aw/2015/12/casa-di-joran-van-der-sloot-kier-bin-aruba/

Papiamentu translation:

casa of joran van der sloot wanted come aruba
publication: wednesday, 2 december 2015.
categoria: general

oranjestad (aan) – joran van der sloot once more is in news, or at least his casa, that now owing to expresa of wanted trip for aruba cu the child muhe of they two. the wife of joran van der sloot, leydi figueroa, owing to ask of corte paz of puno one permission for can viaha cu his child muhe dushy for aruba, p’asina visit the grandmother of the child. the peticion here owing to wordo haci door of the young mother that apparently owing to ricibi the invitacion of grandmother paterno owing to happen the fiestanan of end of year at aruba. sinembargo corte of puno still will have to evalua y acudi till at jail of challapalca at tacna, where cu his casa is close, the murderer confesa of stephany flores, joran van der sloot, for interogue y company for his child can leave of the country. according is wordo menciona in the articulo cu owing to leave in corant peruvian, the younger will have nacionalidad dutch come across, but the not can viaha his her only cu his mother already cu the is younger of edad y for this the have to company of his father y of one huez of family. leydi figueroa apparently is desespera for succeed achieve the exit of his child muhe that owing to accomplish one year end. soon will have one decision on the caso here.


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHeart::

http://www.gulfshorelife.com/Along-the-Gulfshore/December-2015/Beth-Holloway-Speaks-at-2016-Power-of-the-Purse-Luncheon-Womens-Foundation-Collier-County-Community-Foundation-Collier-County-Naples-Grande-Natalee-Holloway/

Dec 11, 201502:54 PM
Along the Gulfshore
GULFSHORE LIFE’S EDITORS EXPLORE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA

Beth Holloway Speaks at 2016 Power of the Purse Luncheon

CAYLA STANLEY

The annual Power of the Purse luncheon may draw in local ladies with its promise of 25 designer handbags up for raffle, but year after year community members return for the truly powerful inspiration of its speakers and mission. The event, held today at the Naples Grande Beach Resort, benefits the Women's Foundation of Collier County. The women's fund of the Community Foundation of Collier County serves to meet the "current and changing needs of women and girls in Collier County through grantmaking."

This year, keynote speaker Beth Holloway steadily took the stage to share her courageous response to the all-too-familiar disappearance of her daughter, Natalee Holloway, on a high school graduation trip in Aruba in 2005.

"After all I have been through, I have every right to crawl in a hole and never come out," Holloway said to a crowd of more than 200. "But that is not how I want to live my life."

After months and months of "more questions and theories being raised than being answered," and finally a chilling confession from a young man that he was responsible for Natalee's death, Beth Holloway reached what she calls her transition from victim to victor. A speech pathologist for individuals with special needs for 25 years, she decided to take her education background and teach personal and travel safety. She also lends support to families of other missing persons and established the Natalee Holloway Resource Center in Washington, D.C.

"What happened to Natalee could happen to anyone," Holloway said. "Natalee could be your loved one, and you could be me." Natalee was a bright young woman with a full ride to college and dreams of attending medical school. She let her guard down for only a moment, her mother says. She wants young women today to know that their safety is up to them, wherever they go.

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2015, 11:54:52 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153721887338433&set=a.138695363432.102804.774408432&type=3&theater

Randall Kenneth Jones
Yesterday near Naples, FL ·

My interview with Natalee Holloway's mother Beth Holloway was truly unforgettable yesterday. Wishing I were with Kevin Jones and Maribeth Jones today....


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2015, 12:07:18 PM
Several pictures at the link, I'm bringing over a couple of them.   ::MonkeyCool::

https://www.facebook.com/communityfoundationcolliercounty/posts/946580608754523

Community Foundation of Collier County added 7 new photos.
December 10 at 6:31pm ·
Tonight, we had a great reception with Beth Holloway! Can't wait to hear her speech tomorrow at our Power of the Purse event! Many thanks to Naples Yacht Club for hosting us this evening!

https://www.facebook.com/communityfoundationcolliercounty/photos/pcb.946580608754523/946580488754535/?type=3&theater

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https://www.facebook.com/communityfoundationcolliercounty/photos/pcb.946580608754523/946580478754536/?type=3&theater

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2015, 01:39:38 PM
I'm not going to link the Washington post story because honestly, it pisses me off.  This is the headline and the author with the date if you want to read it.

Bad girls and gone girls: Why the media tired of ‘missing white women
By Paul Farhi December 9

IMO

Natalee won hearts all over the world because of Beth's tenacity.  Aruba wanted it kept quiet, like they do all cases like this that will hurt their precious tourism.  Beth refused to allow Natalee to be swept under the rug like so many others, and she has paid dearly for it every step of the way.  Parents identified with Beth, and her vow to not go home without Natalee in the early days after Natalee's disappearance, and to never give up for all the years that have followed.

I'm tired of hearing/reading why isn't my baby getting the same attention that pretty white girl got when you see no evidence of them making any notable effort at all to get their missing person in the spotlight!  I believe that any parent that works as hard as Beth did, will get the media attention they need for their missing child.  But with it comes scrutiny of their lives too, and I think that is often what keeps more families from fighting like Beth did and getting the attention that they think all missing persons are entitled too.  And that's sad.

JMO




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2015, 01:49:13 PM
And another from 2005 ... To Beth, one of the strongest individuals I have ever met.

Beth Twitty, EVERYONE’S MOM.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/17/twitty-defines-good-mother-one-we-are-all-proud-of/

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    “She learned things before the police did. She knew what to ask”.

    “A mother’s intuition is a powerful thing“.

    Birmingham News; VICKI COVINGTON, Twitty defines ‘good mother’

From the first moment that any of us saw Beth Twitty on TV, we all knew that she was a smart, caring, driven mom that would not be denied in her quest to find Natalee and answers. Many of us know for a fact that if it were not for her perseverance most likely two black security guards would have been convicted of a crime they did not commit and this case would have been brushed away as fast as humanly possible for reasons other than that of correctly solving it.

The Holloway’s and Twitty’s knew from the outset that the only way to maintain pressure on the investigation, probably not as much as what they would later understand, was to keep the story alive in the media. I would also like to say in the blog world as well, as many have cooperated with us to get the story out and to inform those interested readers that have been riveted to the story from “dawn to dusk and dusk to dawn”.
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Although, I am sure that Beth would trade all comments about herself for Natalee to be found; Beth’s actions, determination and will have inspired us all. One mom’s determination has taken on an island for answers and the truth and for that she deserves our respect, admiration and support. Not only has Natalee become “everyone’s daughter”, Beth Twitty has become “everyone’s mom”.
Beth certainly has our support.
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Bring this forward, because I think it's an awesome reminder.

Justice for Natalee!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 15, 2015, 07:43:50 AM
I'm not going to link the Washington post story because honestly, it pisses me off.  This is the headline and the author with the date if you want to read it.

Bad girls and gone girls: Why the media tired of ‘missing white women
By Paul Farhi December 9

IMO

Natalee won hearts all over the world because of Beth's tenacity.  Aruba wanted it kept quiet, like they do all cases like this that will hurt their precious tourism.  Beth refused to allow Natalee to be swept under the rug like so many others, and she has paid dearly for it every step of the way.  Parents identified with Beth, and her vow to not go home without Natalee in the early days after Natalee's disappearance, and to never give up for all the years that have followed.

I'm tired of hearing/reading why isn't my baby getting the same attention that pretty white girl got when you see no evidence of them making any notable effort at all to get their missing person in the spotlight!  I believe that any parent that works as hard as Beth did, will get the media attention they need for their missing child.  But with it comes scrutiny of their lives too, and I think that is often what keeps more families from fighting like Beth did and getting the attention that they think all missing persons are entitled too.  And that's sad.

JMO




I agree with you texasmom.  I won't be adding a click to Mr. Farhi's article at the Wapo either.  I've seen enough of that sort of thing to last me a lifetime. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2015, 11:57:41 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/12/22/shark-kills-man-during-coast-guard-rescue-near-aruba.html

Shark kills ship's captain during Coast Guard rescue near Aruba
Published December 22, 2015
FoxNews.com

A Venezuelan man was attacked by a shark moments before the Dutch Caribbean Coast Guard tried to reach him and his crew during a daring rescue operation Saturday after their boat capsized in the waters off Aruba.

Dutch Caribbean Coast Guard spokesman Roderick Gouverneur told The Associated Press that the shark attacked the man as he was clinging to a rescue buoy and a member of the Coast Guard suspended from a helicopter was trying to rescue him. He said the man – who was identified by local media as 58-year-old ship captain Adrian Esteban Rafael, according to the IB Times -- died Saturday on the way to the hospital.

Two other men perished when they sank with the vessel, the Doña Matilde.

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Four crew members who survived by holding on to a refrigerator and pallet were hospitalized in Aruba for dehydration and were still recovering Tuesday.

The men were traveling from Bonaire to Aruba to sell whiskey when their boat capsized after it was hit by a wave, Gouverneur said.

Venezuelans often travel on boats laden with goods to sell throughout the Dutch Caribbean islands.


http://www.awe24.com/20151220/23772/Mas_imagen_durante_e_rescate_di_e_naufragonan_di_Dona_Mathilda


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Picture of the boat that sank:

http://www.awe24.com/20151219/23762/4_Tripulante_cu_tabata_drif_riba_lama_a_ser_rescata_nan_tabata_des-hidrata_3

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/219734-10000-florin-voor-gouden-tip-vondst-yellow

Google translation:

10 000 forints for gold tip discovery 'Yellow'
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 15:08

ORANGE CITY - The Ministry of Security and Justice in cooperation with the Public Prosecutor (OM) and Aruba Police Force (KPA) announced that they pay for the golden tip that will lead to the arrest of the suspect Milanchelo Trinidad (30), increased from five thousand to ten thousand florins. It is assumed that the suspect is still on Aruba.

In a press release reporting the relevant authorities that a lot of tips about the 'Yellow' entered that is accused of the violent death of a bouncer at Olde Mill on December 7th. However has no single tip led to his real find. For that reason, the amount for the golden tip since yesterday increased to ten thousand florins. The ministry, OM and KPA hope that the increased amount of money will give a positive push to his discovery. Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the OM states "that it is believed that the suspect is still on Aruba and is not abroad. She can not tell whether there have arrived since the increase of the amount already useful tips.

Milanchelo Nelson Antonio Trinidad, also known by his alias 'Yellow', was born on May 7, 1985 in Bonaire and living in Aruba. He is suspected to have early on Monday morning shots fired at nightclub The Olde Mill, where a doorman was killed and another seriously injured. If you have information that may lead to the solution of this matter, please contact the Aruba Police Force. You can call Detective Muller detective Shaba North at telephone number 563-5391. You can also call the hotline at 11 141 and your message and data record it. You will be called back.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
Not a word until after over a week while the (armed and dangerous) suspect is STILL on the island...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/shooting-bouncer-65289/

 12-15-2015, 02:06 PM #1
Aruba4ever

shooting of bouncer????

    I just read on another forum about a bouncer that was shot at a night club recently. Any news about this? I know things happen everywhere but I don't like it when they happen in Aruba.

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12-15-2015, 02:14 PM #2
hatteras
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    Boca Catalina, Arashi Beach Manchebo Beach, Eagle Beach

    I heard that it happened at a club near The Mill. I believe that two bouncers were shot, after an altercation with the shooter. I heard that the shooter came back later and shot both of them.

12-15-2015, 02:15 PM #3
Retagger

    Yes, there was a shooting last week that occurred at the nightclub next to the Mill. One bouncer was shot and killed and another bouncer was shot and is in critical condition in the hospital. The police know who the suspect is and are searching the island. The suspect was just released from prison in Aruba after killing someone else by slicing his neck with a knife. He only served 5 years for a murder!

    Unofficially, a coalition of bouncers are looking for this person on their own. They want to find this suspect before the police. (Read between the lines). I have many friends in the Police Department and they are working 24/7 on this suspects capture.

    Last edited by Retagger; 12-15-2015 at 02:18 PM.


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12-15-2015, 02:26 PM #4
Andrea J.
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    yes
    it happened about a week ago at the club near the mill

    i encourage all that are going to post, please not to speculate.

    if you can site your sources (news article link) that'd be great.

   
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12-15-2015, 02:27 PM #5
CK1

    Yes, I read about it. The shooting happened last week on Monday at the nightclub "The Old Mill". The suspect killed one bouncer and wounded another critically.

    The suspect goes under the name "Yellow". His real name is Milanchelo Trenidad. He was born in Bonair but lives in Aruba. He is armed and dangerous.

    If someone sees him, do NOT approach him. Call the Police at 100 or 11141.

    Here is his picture:

    http://www.diario.aw/2015/12/polis-t...caliza-yellow/


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12-15-2015, 02:29 PM #6
Andrea J.
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    https://translate.google.com/transla...cial%2F&anno=2

    scroll down to olis ta suplica......


    and here are rona's thoughts. (tell us how you really feel rona!! she does not mince words. )
    http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/8am-...ng-for-yellow/

    Last edited by Andrea J.; 12-15-2015 at 02:44 PM.

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12-15-2015, 02:34 PM #7
Jacki
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    Sad. Many prayers and good vibes to the gentleman fighting for his life.


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12-15-2015, 02:46 PM #8
schexc


    Oddly enough we didn't hear anything about it while we were there. Better off not. The wife would have freaked and
    would have been looking for the first flight out of Dodge. Another sad event, but like said, it happens everywhere.


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12-15-2015, 03:23 PM #9
gaby


    we didn't hear anything about it either, and we were there, too. I mean not even a rumor or gossip.


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12-15-2015, 03:55 PM #10
CK1


    I read it already last week, shortly after it happened. But did not mention anything here at the forum not to freak anyone out who was on vacation in Aruba.

    The suspect lives in San Nicolas.
There is a 5,000 Florin reward if someone can provide the "golden tip" which leads to his capture.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/shooting-bouncer-65289/index2.html

 12-15-2015, 04:12 PM #11
CK1

    Some info incl. picture of the suspect at Amigoe:

    Google Translation:

    Reward for golden tip of the shooting

    Saturday, December 12th, 2015 13:06

    Milanchelo Trinidad

    ORANJESTAD - The chief prosecutor is offering a reward of 5,000 florins for the golden tip that will lead to the arrest of the suspect Milanchelo Trinidad (30) in connection with the violent death of a bouncer at Olde Mill on December 7th. Milanchelo Nelson Antonio Trinidad, also known by his alias 'Yellow', was born on May 7, 1985 in Bonaire and living in Aruba. He is suspected to have early on Monday morning fired shots at nightclub The Olde Mill, where a doorman was killed and another seriously injured. If you have information that may lead to the solution of this matter, please contact the Aruba Police Force. You can call Detective Muller detective Shaba North at telephone number 563-5391. You can also call the hotline at 11 141 and your message and data will be record. You will be called back.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us


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12-15-2015, 04:12 PM #12
gaby


    That Rona cracks me up. Are you sure she's not from Jersey???? Where is the Old Mill?


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12-15-2015, 04:24 PM #13
Aruba4ever


    Thanks for the info. I hope the catch him and drag him in the streets back to jail, and then they should throw away the key. 5 years for murder is a JOKE!!!!

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12-15-2015, 04:26 PM #14
smoki

    We were there and even got a little lost in San Nicolas. It is sad all around but really sad for Aruba.......

 
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12-15-2015, 04:36 PM #15
Andrea J.

    the windmill is next to the Mill resort.....and on a section of road kind of perpendicular to the hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by gaby View Post
    That Rona cracks me up. Are you sure she's not from Jersey???? Where is the Old Mill?


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12-15-2015, 04:40 PM #16
CK1

    Quote Originally Posted by gaby View Post
    That Rona cracks me up. Are you sure she's not from Jersey???? Where is the Old Mill?
    She is from Tel Aviv, Israel.

   

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12-15-2015, 04:43 PM #17
WaltVB


    So this happened a week ago? You know, I want to appreciate everyone trying to insulate me from the everyday occurrences on the island. Unfortunately I can't. I think I would like to know about this kind of thing especially if I was on the island at the time it happens. And as far as "freaking me out", please let me decide if that is the response I choose with regards to the information. If it's a fact, tell me please. Just the way I feel, I don't mean to step on any toes.



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12-15-2015, 05:01 PM #18
~Amy~®

    Quote Originally Posted by gaby View Post
    Where is the Old Mill?
    The Old Mill Bar is located at the large red windmill (3rd floor). It's an after hours club that plays alot of house music and usually goes on until sunrise.

 
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12-15-2015, 05:55 PM #19
Retagger

    This past weekend, I hosted a barbecue of many officers of all ranks at my home (I do this at least once per year) and they were telling me some horror stories of what is occurring in Aruba. The officers want to do their jobs, but their hands are tied. The suspects have too many rights. They are tired of arresting these bad guys only too be let out a short time later. Being in law enforcement for 25+ years myself, I know they are frustrated.

    Last edited by Retagger; 12-15-2015 at 06:13 PM.


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12-15-2015, 06:08 PM #20
cindyo

    You amaze me, how is it that your finger is on the pulse of everything???!!!
    i hardly have time to pack....
    youve got the road maps down pat, route numbers , where people are from!!
    hats off to you��
    You're our Rona.... No offense meant��
    when in doubt you'll have the answers for us.... TY in advance❤️

    QUOTE=CK1;287397]She is from Tel Aviv, Israel. [/QUOTE]

    Last edited by cindyo; 12-15-2015 at 06:11 PM.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/shooting-bouncer-65289/index3.html

 12-15-2015, 06:09 PM #21
schexc

    I agree and understand your sentiment. I have to question what the vacated tourist is suppose to do, when it seems like the infrastructure as a whole, wants to keep these type of crimes as well as others to themselves, protecting the tourism industry that keeps them afloat. Word will get out eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaltVB View Post
    So this happened a week ago? You know, I want to appreciate everyone trying to insulate me from the everyday occurrences on the island. Unfortunately I can't. I think I would like to know about this kind of thing especially if I was on the island at the time it happens. And as far as "freaking me out", please let me decide if that is the response I choose with regards to the information. If it's a fact, tell me please. Just the way I feel, I don't mean to step on any toes.


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12-15-2015, 06:11 PM #22
gaby

    well that sounds like here. I use to get frustrated. we'd have defendants with rap sheets so long you could wallpaper your living room & they'd get a slap on the wrist.

    its not just Aruba but unfortunately Aruba is small and depends on tourists as their bread & butter. that is not the case here in the states. so their problem is more serious because if they don't get it in check, people will go elsewhere, that's just a fact.


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12-15-2015, 06:26 PM #23
ricky59

    He was a friend with my son, joey.
    Worked at Gusto and the mill.. nice kid..

    I've said it for years, the youth of the island idolize american thugs, it's sickening...

    Many of the young locals don't want to work in hotels, they usually start as contractors,
    being paid just over 5.00 an hour. can't blame them.

    A contract employee by law, has to be offered full time after 9 months.
    they never get hired!!!!!!

    In the early years of the expansion of aruba, that generation of youth wanted those hotel jobs.
    that's not the same mindset today, with all the different cultures on the island, beginning
    to have major ramifications, theft, drug addiction, illegals and on and on..


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12-15-2015, 06:27 PM #24
ricky59
    Just for the record, many at the mill after hour club are americans

 
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12-15-2015, 06:38 PM #25
CK1

    Quote Originally Posted by ricky59 View Post
    He was a friend with my son, joey.
    Worked at Gusto and the mill.. nice kid..

    I've said it for years, the youth of the island idolize american thugs, it's sickening...

    Many of the young locals don't want to work in hotels, they usually start as contractors,
    being paid just over 5.00 an hour. can't blame them.

    A contract employee by law, has to be offered full time after 9 months.
    they never get hired!!!!!!

    In the early years of the expansion of aruba, that generation of youth wanted those hotel jobs.
    that's not the same mindset today, with all the different cultures on the island, beginning
    to have major ramifications, theft, drug addiction, illegals and on and on..
    It's sad if he grew up in Aruba. In my mind it's still a little paradise.

    I wished he would just be a punk. But he crossed the line an committed some serious crimes by killing and seriously wounding people. The bouncer he killed was a nice young kid.

    Thanks for the explanation. I wished there were a solution for the young people who are at risk going down that road.


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12-15-2015, 06:57 PM #26
Jacki


    Quote Originally Posted by ricky59 View Post

    I've said it for years, the youth of the island idolize american thugs, it's sickening...
    Unfortunately it's the same here in America. There are many kids who idolize the wrong people - whether they be actors, sports stars, politicians or just the plain ol thugs

 
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12-15-2015, 07:13 PM #27
CK1

    Here is a photo of the victim: Aldwin Dabian

    http://www.diario.aw/2015/12/michela...aldwin-dabian/

    And the article from Diario dated 8 December 2015:

    http://www.diario.aw/2015/12/michela...di-olde-molen/



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12-16-2015, 07:51 AM #30
vallond
   

    Really sad to hear about the shooting and loss of life of a young person on Aruba. I don't understand how someone who committed murder only had to serve five years? When he should still be in prison for another twenty years. Law enforcement on the island really needs to clamp down on criminals, maybe set up road blocks into and out of San Nicholas to find Yellow, or conduct a sweep through the area. I remember someone once telling me that the murder rate on Aruba has always been low, that fatalities from vehicular accidents far outweigh murder rates. Either way, something needs to be done quickly before the tourism trade is affected.

    As for the young people of the island becoming enthralled with the American lifestyle that they see on tv, movies and in music videos; someone needs to sit them down and tell them that, "It's all make believe!" That if they really want to attain or achieve the finer things in life that they will have to work for it, that anything worth earning does not happen overnight. They also need to understand the importance of tourism to their island and why lawlessness can lead to declining numbers. Fingers crossed!!

    As for Rhona, she does not mince words!! I always look forward to her articles. Hard to believe that she is from Israel and not New Jersey or Queens NY.

    Last edited by vallond; 12-16-2015 at 08:00 AM.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/shooting-bouncer-65289/index4.html

 12-16-2015, 07:31 PM #31
WaltVB
   

    Quote Originally Posted by schexc View Post
    I agree and understand your sentiment. I have to question what the vacated tourist is suppose to do, when it seems like the infrastructure as a whole, wants to keep these type of crimes as well as others to themselves, protecting the tourism industry that keeps them afloat. Word will get out eventually.
    Well, I'm more than a little upset that Aruba tries to hide these facts. I live in a resort town, but anyone can go online or watch the news and see the amount of crimes committed on a daily basis here. I'm not proud of it, and I wish I could apologize to everyone who considers our town for vacation and experiences the things like Gaby and others have had happen to them while on vacation in Aruba. We went to Aruba our first time after that girl nobody speaks about disappeared. We still thought it was safe and have felt that way over the years. Now, maybe not so much. It's sad, but if this is the way the authorities in Aruba want to do business, there are a lot of other places to go on vacation... Costa Rica, Belize, Phuket anyone?? Sorry, I'm venting at y'alls expense, I'm stepping of the soapbox now Again, no offense to anyone...


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12-16-2015, 08:28 PM #35
Aruba4ever

    There are murders that happen everywhere. I think we all freak out (me included) when we realize that our wonderful Island of Aruba,that we all consider paradise, is a little closer to our every day reality than we care to admit. I typically don't do many things in Aruba that I would not do at home, with the exception of walking home at 3:30 am with a grand in my pocket coming back from the casino


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12-16-2015, 08:31 PM #36
Aruba4ever

    Those stats are alarming! I would not be caught "dead" in Belize- lol.


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12-16-2015, 08:34 PM #37
Aruba4ever

    No offense. I get Walts point. If Aruba becomes like many of the other islands...people will find somewhere else to go and spend their hard earned cash. Me, I am getting ready to blow a whole bunch of it later tonight if/when I pull the trigger and book when of the last rooms on the island for New Years...wow is it crazy expensive!


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12-16-2015, 09:23 PM #39
Andrea J.


    Please make sure that topics stay on track.

    This thread/topic is about the Olde Molen employee being killed and another employee being critically injured and the thug/perp in hiding.

    It is not about Natalee, Costa Rica, Belize or the rampant crime elsewhere in the world.
    I do not want this thread to go so far off topic that we forget the topic, and the negativity and volatility that this topic
    lamentably expounds. It is so very sad.

    Also, with respect to all, please, no "dead horse beating"

    Now, back to diaper duty as i am typing with a 17 day old baby snuggled in the crook of my arm

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2015, 01:21:31 PM
http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/bati-bleki-weekly-recap/bati-bleki-weekly-recap-december-14th-2015/

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FORMAL APOLOGY TO FORMER MINISTER RUDY CROES. When Rudy Croes was the minister of Justice he was the punch-line of a lot of jokes, boy, how we used to make fun of him, left, right and middle, criticize his traditional views, his old fashioned ways, and that was just for starters, you know what I mean because you were one of the culprits, laughing your head off every time he came up with a silly rule, and pulled back the public’s free reign. Well, I am hereby apologizing to the Minister for our bad behavior because in retrospect, he was a competent Minister of Justice, we didn’t like everything he had to say, but we had a good thing going as far as public safety, and security. Sure, I like everything about MinJust, his elegant ways and his groomed and cultured demeanor, HOWEVER, I do not like anything I read in the news these days, and nothing I see in the street, and I live in a bubble, so I see very little, but I resent the fact that he does not act again RHD cars, that he does not act against illegal Venezuelan trade – PS the island struggled with 40,387 entrepreneurial Venezuelans last month, that he did not institute the beach policy, and that he cannot impose law and order in one, I repeat just one nigh-clubbing zone, the hell hole we used to call the Olde Molen. Show us a sign that you are alive, demonstrate that you are in charge. You have the resources and you are capable, so please live up to your job requirement, or call Rudy Croes back from retirement!



http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/8am-buzz/im-seeing-red-looking-for-yellow/

December 14, 2015
Author Rona 8am buzz

I’M SEEING RED, LOOKING FOR YELLOW.

It’s been too long. I feel offended as a law-abiding citizen of this country to have this low-life Milanchelo Nelson Antonio Trenidad still walking the streets. The Police should mobilized more resources, organize a never-before man-hunt, and find that needle in our haystack. Aruba is the size of a small village in the Netherlands. How difficult can it possibly be to find someone as colorful and obnoxious as Yellow. You can start by questioning all those stupid adoring females, cooing sweet nothings on his Facebook page. And round up all these other idiots he considers his hood niggas, his bras, his soldiers, his mafia, his OTF’s, Only The Family. Please let me talk to them. I am a mother. I know how to investigate a case, and how to give a thorough third-degree interrogation. We must locate that man, and put him behind bars, so that he understands that his perception as to who rules the streets in mistaken. We really owe it to ourselves to find him, in order to restore our own self-respect. At the 96.5FM radio station yesterday morning, I questioned his crooked, arthritic hands. He is always seen in pictures fingers twisted like pretzels. Then the great DJ Vibe explained to me the Tupac Shakur-wannabe syndrome, that he is flashing the LA WestSide hand-signal, W, with his fingers. Wow, I was astounded, what has that got to do with Aruba? It just seems an empty gesture here, in imitation of another era. I went to his Facebook page motivated by great curiosity. How can one grow up in Aruba in such a sunny, gentle environment, only to become a criminal. And I don’t want to assume the guilt for his growing up, because society is so cruel, or so indifferent. It is not. So how does one grow up here to become a total f*** up? An insecure, loud-mouth wanker with nothing to show but a bad attitude?! I don’t know. But, don’t you think that all that body paint, and the fifteen skull tattoos fooled me. The bravado did not throw me off. I know who you are. A scared little boy, yearning for love and acceptance, going about it with a defiant facial expression, that’s all a cover up, for a tiny wiener, an absent dad, a distracted mom, and fools for friends.


If she really wants to know, maybe she should ask Anita.   ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: ospainter on December 28, 2015, 05:20:56 PM
http://linkis.com/conservativetribune.com/BAANe

Inside edition is supposed to have something new about Natalee this evening per Dave Holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
http://linkis.com/conservativetribune.com/BAANe

Inside edition is supposed to have something new about Natalee this evening per Dave Holloway

Thank you OSPainter!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2016, 12:35:44 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153721887338433&set=a.138695363432.102804.774408432&type=3&theater

Randall Kenneth Jones
Yesterday near Naples, FL ·

My interview with Natalee Holloway's mother Beth Holloway was truly unforgettable yesterday. Wishing I were with Kevin Jones and Maribeth Jones today....


(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12342578_10153721887338433_1241468937905755070_n.jpg?oh=6172de2676d7d3ab159d5feea7f73051&oe=57188B48)

Pictures at the link:

http://www.naplesnews.com/columnists/business/business-class-finding-strength---and-a-message---in-tragedy-280c834f-565a-5068-e053-0100007f4b18-363986471.html

BUSINESS CLASS
Beth Holloway: Finding strength — and a message — in tragedy

By Randall Kenneth Jones Posted: Yesterday 11:58 a.m.

 ::snipping3::

Achieving success at one's life's work doesn't necessarily lead to a burgeoning income. Nevertheless, what does come in can provide much greater value — a connection to our hearts.

Or, in the case of Beth and Natalee Holloway, the hearts of millions around the world.

At one time, Beth Holloway was a public school speech pathologist for children with special needs and a devoted mother of two. She lived a self-described "quiet, somewhat uneventful life" just outside Birmingham, Alabama. All of this would soon change — under the worst possible circumstances.

In the summer of 2005, Beth's daughter Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high graduation trip to Aruba.

The exhaustive search and widespread media coverage made Natalee Holloway a household name. Now living every parent's nightmare, Beth Holloway was thrust out of her Alabamian comfort zone and into the public eye.

As part of her unrelenting search for Natalee, Beth Holloway has been interviewed by countless national and international media. Even Barbara Walters selected her as one of the most fascinating people in 2005.

Although a primary suspect in Natalee's disappearance has long been identified, his name has been intentionally omitted. It's a gross misuse of ink — and justice — to add fuel to his self-perpetuating, attention-starved fire.

Natalee Holloway was declared legally dead in 2012. Her whereabouts is still unknown.

For Beth Holloway, her unexpected life's work may have been tragic in its origin; however, today, business as usual is about as personal as you can get.

"I found myself asking — since I've been a teacher and an educator — what can I do for others? What can I teach others from our tragic life?" says Holloway. "I made the commitment early on in 2005 that I would share Natalee's story in hopes that others can learn how to endure in the face of adversity."

Once a teacher, always a teacher.

Holloway has most assuredly kept that promise. She has delivered her message of hope, faith and personal safety to thousands across the country and recently served as the keynote speaker at the Power of the Purse event hosted by the Women's Foundation of Collier County.

"It was cathartic in the beginning, but I think that's a normal process," suggests Holloway. "For the last eight years, it's been personally rewarding and fulfilling to me to deliver the personal safety message to our young adults. It's very heartwarming to see that Natalee's story makes a difference in their lives — even though many are too young to remember it."

However, to spend one-on-one time with Holloway — to hold her gaze as she discusses her beautiful daughter's hopes, dreams, charm and appeal — is equal parts uplifting and shattering. You feel your heart continue to break, one little piece at a time.

Beth Holloway's life's work is a celebration of all things Natalee — complete with the "what was" in shared equal billing with the "what could have been." A tragedy of a very different kind would emerge if Natalee Holloway, the person, got lost in Natalee Holloway, the story.

"She wanted to go to medical school," recalls Holloway. "I have no doubt she would have made it. She had big plans for her life. She was going to the University of Alabama. She was very disciplined and driven. She had an amazing network of friends. She had an amazing balance in her life."

This interview was easily the most challenging of my career. Mental images of a would-be Dr. Natalee Holloway — juxtaposed against the faces of my own two twenty-something children — created a cerebral rebellion that mocked my ability to focus, to comprehend.

In time my course of action became clear: Assist Beth Holloway in paying it forward — to tell the story of her noble mission. To honor Natalee, her family and the millions who continue to support — and learn from — Natalee's legacy.

Is there a more compelling reason to advocate for the education, welfare and safety of others? To look outside ourselves for purpose, fulfillment and courage — for our life's work?

"There are a lot of transitions that you make in your journey," says Holloway. "For me, there was a transition for victim to victor. You begin to redefine yourself and your life."

For those who have faced any kind of adversity, the spirit of this message could not be more universal.

Regardless of how you choose to learn about — and celebrate — Natalee Holloway: through news updates, "Loving Natalee" (Beth Holloway's best-selling book and subsequent Lifetime movie) or by experiencing Beth Holloway at the podium, Natalee's beloved mother's all-too-personal objective is quite simple: "Each person will take away a little piece of hope that will be applicable in their life."

Even in its profound simplicity, could there be a loftier goal?

As we embark upon a brand new year — one with limitless new possibilities — please keep Natalee Holloway close to your heart.

Her indefatigable mother, Beth Holloway, has provided us with a New Year's Resolution guaranteed to stand the test of time: the ultimate act of "class" — business or otherwise — is to work on behalf of others.

For more information, visit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) at helpthemissing.org. For more on marketer, speaker and writer Randall Kenneth Jones, visit RandallKennethJones.com.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2016, 12:45:37 AM
http://linkis.com/conservativetribune.com/BAANe

Inside edition is supposed to have something new about Natalee this evening per Dave Holloway

I've noticed several recent shares on FB, but they link to the articles from May 2015.  Nothing new, so far from what I can tell.  But thanks for the heads up!

 ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
KARMA  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107568 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107568)

Nuge    
 Post subject: Re: Island seems much more quiet
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:47 am
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Mark my words, when Cuba really opens the doors to American tourist Aruba will take an even bigger hit. With the airfare and rooms so high, the island changing, crime up, people will start looking elsewhere.

For example, people from the NYC area can get to Cuba in 3 hours for a lot less than the 5/12-6 hour flight to Aruba. Add in Cuba will not be as Americanized as quickly as say Aruba has and you will have paradise a lot closer to home with Cuba still stuck in the 50/60's.

That being said, my family and relatives own up to 10 weeks in Aruba and Aruba will always be our 2nd home and paradise, just not the same, that's all.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
 ::boxjoran::

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2016/02/vader-natalee-holloway-laat-joran-maar-lekker-wegrotten-in-peru/

Google translation

Father Natalee Holloway: Let Joran but tasty rot in Peru!
By Michael van der Galien February 8, 2016

The Natalee Holloway's father did not want to ditch all sorts of stories of Joran van der. For him Joran should tasty rot in his Peruvian jail.

Last Saturday against Joran told The Associated Press that he will find the time to open about the disappearance of Natalee. Many people - including Natalee's parents - are convinced that Joran killed her and then hiding her body. Joran has always denied publicly, but at the same time he indicated that he certainly knew a thing or two from.

This weekend he made it clearer than ever before:

"After all my lies and deceit, it is now time for the truth."

By giving openness Joran hopes that he spent the rest of his sentence may serve in the Netherlands, where the stay is much better than a prisoner in Peru. Since life in prison has always been heavy, but certainly for Joran; he's stuck in one of the most notorious prisons in the country and is absolutely hated by his fellow prisoners. So he was stabbed once already and he sits on an isolated ward.

Natalee's father has suddenly Joran why disclosure would give and there absolutely no patience with it:

"He can stay there and rot."

One of the reasons that Natalee's father did not want to make a deal with Joran is that he does not believe the Dutch psychopath finally wants to be really honest. He can see already done that Joran is brought to the Netherlands, but eventually reveals that his "confession" is the greatest nonsense.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on February 13, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
There were a few articles in Dutch recently. I'm not that great at translating but to me one seemed to say that Peru no longer lets prisoners go after serving 2/3 of sentence. Now Joran is boohooing because he has to "sit for another 22 years" and the other prisoners want to kill him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on February 13, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
There were a few articles in Dutch recently. I'm not that great at translating but to me one seemed to say that Peru no longer lets prisoners go after serving 2/3 of sentence. Now Joran is boohooing because he has to "sit for another 22 years" and the other prisoners want to kill him.


 ::HelloKitty::

I came across an article that might have some of the information that you mentioned.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on February 13, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
 ::boxjoran::

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/buitenland/1.2565684

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot to talk in exchange for a transfer
Sat 02/06/2016 - 10:13 Sandra Cardoen

Joran van der Sloot in Peru is serving a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores, will provide full disclosure about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But this openness will not just get there. "I want to make a deal with justice," Van der Sloot said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.
 
The 28-year-old Dutchman is serving in the Challapalca prison. "The legislation in Peru has recently changed, so that the usual one-third remission no law but has become a favor. That favor will never be granted me here, which means I have to sit 22 more years," Van der explains Sloot in the conversation out. He also stressed that he is "not in paradise" and that "other inmates to murder him."

Van der Sloot therefore wants to leave the Peruvian prison. And you can. The Netherlands has a treaty with Peru for two years that the transfer of criminal sentences makes it possible. Van der Sloot will therefore throw a deal. He promises to tell the truth about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 ::snipping3::
Before his transfer, Van der Sloot already written letters to the Dutch Embassy in Peru and to the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But are there no response would come on. "After all my lies and deception is time for the truth," says Van der Sloot.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on February 13, 2016, 01:31:32 PM
 ::boxjoran::

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/joran-moet-met-meer-komen-dan-de-waarheid

Google translation

February 9, 2016 11:30
"Joran must be more than the truth '

At the table with Humberto Tan in RTL Late Night says John van den Heuvel on his interview with Joran van der Sloot in the notorious Challapalka prison in Peru. Joran indicated in that conversation in exchange for a deal with the Dutch judiciary to want to tell the truth about Natalee Holloway. We now know that Joran it so far has not taken so closely with "the truth". Beth Twitty, mother of Natalee Holloway is therefore extremely skeptical.

"He must be more than the truth," said Beth, through Peter R. de Vries, also at the table with Humberto. Peter spoke Beth Twitty last weekend following the story of John van den Heuvel in the Telegraph and RTL Boulevard. "It must be tangible what he says, and verifiable."

calculating
Peter does not believe that Joran has become a different person in the icy prison, as the Dutchman claims convicted of murder itself. "I doubt it, and Beth too. You should also look at what he says not to. If he repents, he does not say that the mother of Natalee finally learns the truth. No, he says, if I can, I am ready to tell my story to the Netherlands. That's exactly the calculated Joran we have known for years, who thinks of himself, and then anything for a while and then there might be someone else. "
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Prosecution
John van den Heuvel says Joran does have released a number of verifiable cases. "This weekend I about had contact with the Public Prosecutor in the Antilles, there are to be weighed now."

Ocean
Peter does not think Natalee ever found. "I think the scenario where he dumped her in the ocean. We'll never find anything. It is there 2 kilometers deep "he concludes." If you really are a different person and you're sorry: let it not depend on whether you can serve your sentence in the Netherlands, but be a man and get your story . "
 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2016, 11:21:56 AM
Illustrious, really?   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::boxjoran::

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/4237746/2016/02/03/Kleuterbrief-van-Joran-van-der-Sloot-duikt-op.dhtml

Google translation:

Toddler Letter of Joran van der Sloot emerges

By: Mark den Blanken
3-2-16 - 16:27

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/12670419_798669123572598_7949451866354105829_n.jpg?oh=ceac17f092402e63d91e76ea7884c9ec&oe=576FAE69)

Social media is a striking photograph of a young Joran surfaced. The illustrious Dutchman, who is currently in a prison sentence of 28 years is for the murder of Stephany Flores, stood as a young boy under the heading One Laughing toddler magazine Bobo.

In the letter of the five-year-old Joran state: ,, Dear Bobo, I live for more than a year in Aruba. It is an island far from the Netherlands. My grandmother gave me a subscription to the Bobo. So now I get your blade every time the mail. Greetings from Joran van der Sloot. " Joran (28) remained beneficial for years to live in Aruba, where he is suspected of involvement ended in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Millions of Dutch see a broadcast of Peter R. de Vries where he was in a car admits being behind the disappearance. There seems not enough evidence, but he is still arrested on June 3, 2010 for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores .


http://www.lindanieuws.nl/nieuws/bekend/joran-van-der-sloot-in-1992-als-klein-droppie-in-de-bobo/

Google translation:

Joran van der Sloot as "cutie" in Bobo doing the rounds on Facebook

Joran van der Sloot - convicted of murder - is not known as a sweetie. But that was-he ever did. According to the letter in an old edition of kindergarten leaf Bobo that is shared on Facebook.

Wednesday, February 3, 2016, 11:52 pm

Under the heading 'Laughing One "of the infant magazine to read the letter from the then five-year-old Joran.

gift
"Best Bobo, I live for more than a year in Aruba. It is an island far from the Netherlands. My grandmother gave me a subscription to the Bobo. So now I get your blade every time the mail. Greetings from Joran van der Sloot, "so Joran wrote at the time.

Screenshot 2016-02-03 at 11:35:14

killer
Joran van der Sloot (28) is currently in Peru imprisonment of 28 years for the murder and robbery of Peruvian Stephany Flores. He still suspected of the murder of American Natalee Holloway.

Original facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/niels.drievoortwaalf/posts/798669803572530


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2016, 11:28:50 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/4239347/2016/02/05/Joran-van-der-Sloot-kwijnt-weg-in-middeleeuwse-kerker.dhtml

Google translation:

"Joran van der Sloot languishes in medieval dungeon '

Edited by: Suzanne Borgdorff
5-2-16 - 19:18

It goes badly with Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a prison sentence of 28 years since 2012 for the murder and robbery of Peruvian Stephany Flores. According crime reporter John van den Heuvel, who visited Van der Sloot in the maximum security Challapalca prison in Peru, the killer is emaciated and mentally bad shape.
 
Joran has really taken off a jacket. But the man has done terrible things
John van den Heuvel

Van den Heuvel, who by Van der Sloot himself was approached, made ​​from Bolivia to Amsterdam a stopover in Lima and then to Arequipa. The trip to Challapalca, which is nearly 5,000 meters above sea level lies near the border with Bolivia, attacked him dirty against, he says in RTL Boulevard . ,, I spent six hours in a van, it was a crazy ride. "" Life between the prison walls is heavy. ,, It is freezing cold and extremely secure. It is reminiscent of a medieval dungeon, '' says Van den Heuvel. Leny, Peruvian friend of Van der Sloot was in the interview, which lasted an hour, was present. Despite the hardships, the crime reporter not pity the 28-year-old Van der Sloot, who is still suspected of involvement in the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. ,, Joran has really taken off a jacket. But the man has done terrible things. "" Self-awareness Van der Sloot was transferred in August 2014 to the Piedras Gordas prison in the Peruvian capital to the prison. The transfer was in accordance with the prison authority INPE due to the bad behavior of Van der Sloot. So he would have had include access to a smartphone. Van den Heuvel: ,, He has nothing, no phone and TV. However, he reads books. Which have given him self-understanding. '' Most Van den Heuvel has stayed the upheaval of the Dutchman, he says. The reporter now has some information that he wants to tighten. ,, Because Joran can lie flatly. But because he wants to leave, the time must come when he tells the truth. There he is close to it. "" Stabbed Van der Sloot brought out in November 2014 that he was stabbed in Challapalca. Inmates would hope in his closed by the publicity about that incident, the controversial detention center. The prison authorities then suggested the Dutchman would have injured themselves in order to draw attention to his own case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
In looking around there were also a couple reports of Joran committing suicide last week, that included pictures of his dead body.  The memorial was supposed to take place the following Wednesday in Amsterdam.

"Spoof" sites from what I've gathered, nothing reputable.

Anything for attention...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 16, 2016, 04:48:16 AM
 ::boxjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2016, 06:54:48 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder/ (http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder/)

Evil Joran Finally Confesses: I Murdered Natalee Holloway!
Watch as hidden cameras capture van der Sloot's jailhouse admissions.

Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 7:05AM


High in the mountains of Peru, an operative working on behalf of Radar and The ENQUIRER captured hidden camera footage of a jaw-dropping conversation with van der Sloot and his wife, Leidy, inside the Challapalca Prison, known as the “Alcatraz of the Andes,” on February 1, 2016.

Through a defiant grin, van der Sloot finally opened up about the case like never before.

 ::snipping3::

The former Holloway suspect said in the shocking video, “I think that was one of the worst police investigation that ever took place!”

The undercover reporter clarified, “Are you talking about the Holloway case?”

“Yes yes yes,” van der Sloot insisted. “Yes, this is also where I am guilty and I accept everything that I have done.” (The word “accept” is synonymous with the word “admit” in Dutch.”

 ::snipping3::

For more of his word-for-word confession, pick up the latest issue of The ENQUIRER, on stands now!

Story developing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2016, 03:56:25 PM
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/ (http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/)

Natalee Holloway’s Dad Tells Joran Van Der Sloot To ‘Rot’ In Hell
Convicted killer made sick offer of revealing location of missing girl's remains.
Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 13:33PM

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2016, 04:00:20 PM
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/ (http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/)

Natalee Holloway’s Dad Tells Joran Van Der Sloot To ‘Rot’ In Hell
Convicted killer made sick offer of revealing location of missing girl's remains.
Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 13:33PM

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::


 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on March 16, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/ (http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/dave-holloway-interview-natalee-holloway-killer-joran-van-der-sloot/)

Natalee Holloway’s Dad Tells Joran Van Der Sloot To ‘Rot’ In Hell
Convicted killer made sick offer of revealing location of missing girl's remains.
Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 13:33PM

 ::snipping3::

 ::boxjoran::


 ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Hey Urine, tell us something we don't already know..

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2016, 11:58:26 PM
Hey Urine, tell us something we don't already know..

 ::MonkeyCool::

Anita and Paulus must be so proud of thier lil' sporter admitting what the whole world knows. Better yet, they were complicit in covering up the murder of Natalee Holloway, along with Danger Island and the trash they call the policia and judicial.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 17, 2016, 01:02:16 AM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder/ (http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder/)

Evil Joran Finally Confesses: I Murdered Natalee Holloway!
Watch as hidden cameras capture van der Sloot's jailhouse admissions.

Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 7:05AM

<iframe src="http://content.jwplatform.com/players/dGfeA3xm-p1xjtOtD.html" width="550" height="325" frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></iframe>

High in the mountains of Peru, an operative working on behalf of Radar and The ENQUIRER captured hidden camera footage of a jaw-dropping conversation with van der Sloot and his wife, Leidy, inside the Challapalca Prison, known as the “Alcatraz of the Andes,” on February 1, 2016.

Through a defiant grin, van der Sloot finally opened up about the case like never before.

 ::snipping3::

The former Holloway suspect said in the shocking video, “I think that was one of the worst police investigation that ever took place!”

The undercover reporter clarified, “Are you talking about the Holloway case?”

“Yes yes yes,” van der Sloot insisted. “Yes, this is also where I am guilty and I accept everything that I have done.” (The word “accept” is synonymous with the word “admit” in Dutch.”

 ::snipping3::

For more of his word-for-word confession, pick up the latest issue of The ENQUIRER, on stands now!

Story developing.

It's everywhere tonight - no wonder I couldn't sleep. Joran is so overwhelmingly evil he is a stain on humanity.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 17, 2016, 01:03:00 AM
Hey Urine, tell us something we don't already know..

 ::MonkeyCool::

Anita and Paulus must be so proud of thier lil' sporter admitting what the whole world knows. Better yet, they were complicit in covering up the murder of Natalee Holloway, along with Danger Island and the trash they call the policia and judicial.

Anita and Paulus KNEW all the while. Never doubted it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2016, 08:33:27 AM
Hey Urine, tell us something we don't already know..

 ::MonkeyCool::

Anita and Paulus must be so proud of thier lil' sporter admitting what the whole world knows. Better yet, they were complicit in covering up the murder of Natalee Holloway, along with Danger Island and the trash they call the policia and judicial.

Anita and Paulus KNEW all the while. Never doubted it.

I believe Paulus arranged for disposal of Natalee's body so Joran would have plausible deniability.  That entire island is complicit.  All they cared about was tourism.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Blonde on March 17, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
We all knew this, Paulus arranged for disposal of Natalee's body may you stay in hell.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: wreck on March 17, 2016, 10:36:50 AM
I'm not buying that he "accepted" anything. He had a shit-eating grin on his face (as always). Tell us where Natalee is - then I might give a damn.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on March 17, 2016, 05:46:15 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder-wife-leidy-ignorant/
Married To A Murderer! Joran’s Wife Says ‘I Respect Him’ Despite Confession
Van der Sloot’s spouse Leidy tells all about their twisted relationship.
Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 18:31PM
(http://i0.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder-wife-leidy.jpg?resize=540%2C400)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on March 17, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
Confession?...extradition?...loves to get attention?...innocent?...    ::boxjoran::

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-natalee-holloway-murder-lawyer-excuse/

BREAKING NEWS
Prison Break? Joran’s Lawyer Reveals If He Confessed To Get Out Of Peruvian Prison
Van der Sloot is finally coming clean, but why?
Posted on Mar 16, 2016 @ 17:09PM

The world was stunned today when RadarOnline.com and The National ENQUIRER revealed Joran van der Sloot’s bombshell confession to the murder of Natalee Holloway, more than ten years after her death. Why did he finally come clean with the claims? According to his attorney, it’s NOT to get an extradition deal.
 ::snipping3::
The world was stunned today when RadarOnline.com and The National ENQUIRER revealed Joran van der Sloot’s bombshell confession to the murder of Natalee Holloway, more than ten years after her death. Why did he finally come clean with the claims? According to his attorney, it’s NOT to get an extradition deal.

“He’ll first have to serve his time in Peru, before he can arrange deals or something with Aruba,” Altez told a reporter for the TV program and website.

But he also tried to claim that despite van der Sloot’s own comments, he might not be the killer.

“Joran is a storyteller,” he told a reporter for the TV program and website. “He just makes everything up. He will do anything to get in the picture. He just loves to do this to get his attention.”
 ::snipping3::
UPDATE:

In a subsequent statement to Shownieuws, Altz said, “Joran doesn’t admit to anything. … Joran is innocent in this case.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on March 17, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/03/17/joran-van-der-sloot-appears-to-confess-to-natalie-holloway-murder-lawyer-denies/

In video, Joran van der Sloot appears to confess to Natalee Holloway's murder, lawyer denies it
By  Carmen M. Llona/
Published March 17, 2016/
Fox News Latino

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer is disputing a video posted online Wednesday showing the convicted Dutch killer allegedly admitting to killing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway more than a decade ago in Aruba.

Van der Sloot’s lawyer, Maximo Altez, told Fox News Latino that the admission, recorded surreptitiously in prison during an inmate visit, is a fabrication.

“It’s a total lie, it’s a distorted, the video has been edited to make it look like that,” Altez said.
 ::snipping3::
Altez said his client, whom he is counseling pro-bono, is a “compulsive liar” with a verifiable psychiatric diagnosis.

“He can confess to killing John Kennedy, or John Lennon, that doesn’t mean he did it,” Altez said in a phone interview. “He is a mythomaniac.”

He also said the supposed confession has no legal standing because it was not made before a court of law.
 ::snipping3::
While in prison, Van der Sloot met and married Peruvian Leydi Figueroa and they had a daughter, who is now 18 months old.

Figueroa told Fox News Latino that she was “surprised” to hear about the alleged confession.

“It doesn’t make any sense for Joran to say something like that,” she told FNL on Thursday.

She said she helped coordinate the interview, which she said took place in late January and lasted for about two hours. According to Figueroa, van der Sloot agreed to the interview because “he considered this journalist as family.” She, however, would not name the alleged reporter conducting the interview.

“I am very angry because he shouldn’t have brought a camera inside,” she said, adding that she is planning to file a complaint with the Peruvian Penitentiary Institution (INPE). “They are supposed to check that no cameras get in.”
 ::snipping3::
After multiple legal motions, Altez said he expected his client to be transferred back to a more low-security prison in Lima as soon as May.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 17, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
Coordinated interview...like family journalist...she's so angry but she won't name him; and we're really supposed to believe they weren't complicit?    ::MonkeyRoll::

We know they're desperate for attention, maybe they made some money too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hopefully he just extended his stay at Challapalca!   ::stpats:: ::boxjoran:: ::stpats::

jmo

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/03/17/joran-van-der-sloot-appears-to-confess-to-natalie-holloway-murder-lawyer-denies/

Quote
She said she helped coordinate the interview, which she said took place in late January and lasted for about two hours. According to Figueroa, van der Sloot agreed to the interview because “he considered this journalist as family.” She, however, would not name the alleged reporter conducting the interview.

“I am very angry because he shouldn’t have brought a camera inside,” she said, adding that she is planning to file a complaint with the Peruvian Penitentiary Institution (INPE). “They are supposed to check that no cameras get in.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2016, 06:39:53 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/03/parents_of_natalee_holloway_de.html (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/03/parents_of_natalee_holloway_de.html)

Natalee Holloway's parents scoff at latest video 'confession' by Joran van der Sloot

 ::snipping3::

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, responded this week to the newly-released video. Van der Sloot is motivated by attention and money, he told The Huffington Post. "Tabloids will pay for (his story) because it sells magazines, but that's never printed,'' he said. "They think they've got something when they really don't. A lot of people don't realize that in Aruba, a verbal or recorded confession is not valid, unless it's a statement signed in writing."

John Q. Kelly, the attorney for Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, said he believes van der Sloot knew he was being videotaped. "He's looking directly into the camera when he speaks and I would venture a guess that it's either a cellmate or a guard who is filming for Joran and selling it and splitting the proceeds with Joran,'' Kelly told The Huffington Post. "This is how he operates. There's no way he's confessing out of the blue to some random person with his wife sitting there. This was for a quick buck. It was all planned and absolutely meaningless."

 ::snipping3::


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Post by: SuzieQ on March 20, 2016, 07:14:50 PM
From Amigoe

Afschaffen visum Peru goed voor handel en toerisme  PDF    Afdrukken    E-mail   

zaterdag, 19 maart 2016 12:42 

ORANJESTAD — Ook Nederland heeft maandag de visumplicht voor Peruanen afgeschaft, net als Aruba. Volgens minister Bert Koenders van het ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken (BuZa) is dat goed voor de handel. Toerismebureau ATA hoopt op een groeiende toeristenmarkt.

Als voorzitter van de Raad van de Europese Unie ondertekende Koenders de overeenkomst met Peru, schrijft Rechtennieuws.nl dat Peruanen nu zonder visum naar het Schengengebied kunnen reizen. Naast de visumvrijstelling voor Schengen, hebben Peruanen nu ook geen visum meer nodig voor Aruba, Bonaire, Saba, St. Eustatius en St. Maarten. Curaçao zal binnenkort over de visumvrijstelling voor Peruanen beslissen.

Economie

Peru maakt sterke economische en politieke ontwikkelingen door. Nederland, Aruba en St. Maarten zien kansen om de handelsbetrekkingen te bevorderen. Daarnaast streeft Nederland naar versterking van de politieke banden met Peru, ook gezien de constructieve rol van Peru in de regio, de economische groei in het land en de relatieve gelijkgezindheid op thema’s als mensenrechten.

Toerisme

Volgens ATA-directeur Ronella Tjin Asjoe-Croes is de Peruaanse markt vorig jaar met 30 procent gestegen ten opzichte van 2014. “Qua marktaandeel levert het een kleine bijdrage aan het geheel, maar het is een markt met groeipotentie. Voor dit jaar heeft ATA een doelstelling van 50 procent groei vastgesteld.” Daarnaast ziet ATA mogelijkheden voor ‘dual destination’ vakanties (Aruba en Peru) voor de Europese markt. “Voor de Europeanen is het combineren van een land als Peru met een strandvakantie in Aruba aantrekkelijk.”


Google translate

ORANJESTAD - The Netherlands on Monday abolished the visa requirement for Peruvians, like Aruba. According to Minister Bert Koenders of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Foreign Affairs) is good for business. Tourist office ATA hopes for a growing tourist market.

Koenders signed as president of the Council of the European Union agreement with Peru, Rechtennieuws.nl writes that Peruvians can now travel without a visa to the Schengen area. In addition to the visa-free Schengen, Peruvians have now also no longer need a visa for Aruba, Bonaire, Saba, St. Eustatius and St. Maarten. Curaçao will soon decide on the exemption of Peruvians.

Economy

Peru makes strong economic and political developments. Netherlands, Aruba and St. Maarten see opportunities to promote trade relations. The Netherlands also seeks to strengthen political ties with Peru, also in view of the constructive role of Peru in the region, economic growth in the country and the relative equal unanimity on issues like human rights.


Tourism

According to ATA Director Ronella Tjin Asjoe-Croes is the Peruvian market rose by 30 percent last year compared to 2014. "In terms of market share gives it a small contribution to the whole, but it is a market with growth potential. ATA has established a target of 50 percent growth for this year. "In addition, ATA sees opportunities for dual destination 'holidays (Aruba and Peru) for the European market. "For Europeans is to combine a country like Peru with a beach holiday in Aruba attractive."



I guess Anita can see her daughter-in-law and granddaughter anytime she wants.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 20, 2016, 07:41:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/224617-arubaans-toerisme-bijt-in-eigen-staart

Arubaans toerisme bijt in eigen staart

Aruba tourism bites its own tail

ORANJESTAD - Plans for regulation of tourism, there have always been, but never was there considering the amount of hotels and tourists in Aruba. Because tourism is so successful, Aruba is getting fuller and eventually unattractive. There will be less money in the drawer and thus the prosperity declines.  ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on March 21, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
 http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-vand-der-sloot-confession-video-tell-all-book-plans-revealed/

Here we go again. Makes me sick. I hope he gets dealt with by Peruvian officials with this interview coming out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 21, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-vand-der-sloot-confession-video-tell-all-book-plans-revealed/

Prison Tell-All! Joran Van Der Sloot Promises New Details Of Natalee Holloway Case In 500-Page Book

‘The case will be solved, and this will be done!’

Posted on Mar 20, 2016 @ 16:53PM

 ::snipping3::

“The book contains two parts,” he revealed, and begins with the story of what happened to Holloway “of course.”

From there, “I explain how I meet a group of people with whom I visit casinos and so on …” he said. “Gambling has always been my biggest problem.

But overall, he revealed, it will be explosive — and potentially dangerous.

“I think that I’m telling some different aspects that I haven’t told in the past …” he said. “…things that people have never known about.”

For one, he claimed, “people kept sending me money during the entire captivity” as a form of blackmail for keeping their secrets safe.

“Otherwise I will tell people what I know,” he explained, “and they’ve always sent me their money.”


“I’m very sure that when the book gets published, the Justice Dept. would want to know [more about those people],” he bragged. “Not a single doubt in my mind.”

For that reason, however, it could even be deadly.   ::monkeyscissors::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2016, 12:29:31 AM
http://www.meridianstar.com/news/local_news/holloway-dismisses-van-der-sloot-s-alleged-confession/article_d49433ea-ee57-11e5-935a-5be3f2f22c85.html

Holloway dismisses van der Sloot's alleged confession
By Ida Brown ibrown@themeridianstar.com Mar 20, 2016

An alleged videotaped confession by Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway, is nothing more than a moneymaking scheme, according to her father, Meridian resident Dave Holloway.

"He's confessed and said a lot of different things over the years," Holloway said Friday about van der Sloot, a Dutchman raised in Aruba.

"It's all about money with him. I'm pretty sure that was a setup deal; he needed a little cash. Somebody paid him a little bit of money so they can print newspapers and tabloids to get him through the harsh winter he's going to face in prison."

 ::snipping3::

"He is in Challapalca Prison, one of the worst prisons in the world," Holloway said. "They don't have any running water, no electricity, no heating or anything like that. Their winter is starting about now, and some of the temperatures get way below zero. He might be in need of a sleeping bag or something."

While media reports say van der Sloot's recent confession to killing Natalee Holloway is a secret recording, Holloway said he believes otherwise.

"It appears he knows he's being recorded; I just don't know," Holloway said, clearly frustrated with van der Sloot.

"He's confessed before and retracted it," he said. "It's really meaningless; there's nothing they can do. In Aruba – unless you have to have a signed, written statement, and there has to be evidence that he really did it there's nothing that can be done," Holloway said. "Whereas in the United States if you open your mouth and say something, they can hold that against you and prosecute you."

And while he admits such tactics are difficult for the family and reopens old wounds, Holloway continues to seek justice for his daughter Natalee.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2016, 12:31:59 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 24, 2016, 03:16:34 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/2918152/delusional-joran-van-der-sloot-thinks-hes-negotiating-with-aruba-over-holloway-death-information


March 23, 2016

Delusional Joran Van Der Sloot thinks he is negotiating with Aruba over Holloway death information

Joran van der Sloot has always operated like a manipulator, but now, as he announces that he has been in contact with the governments of Aruba and the United States to figure out a way to get out of his Peruvian prison, better known as the Alcatraz of the Andes. With his 500-page book in hand, Joran van der Sloot says that he will share its contents with the United States and Aruba if they pay up and/or make him a deal.

According to the Inquisitr, Joran van der Sloot says he is willing to share the full details of his confession, and what he did to Natalee Holloway, if someone will pay up so he can take care of the “family” he had while in a prison in Peru. He met his wife, Leidy, while she was visiting her family members in prison, got married, and through conjugal visits, had a daughter. Joran van der Sloot is now 28-years-old, and will get out of the prison in Peru before he is 50-years-old, and if someone pays for van der Sloot’s confession, he will then do time in Aruba, where he claims to have killed Natalee Holloway.

 ::snipping3::
But this sudden confession raises the question, if Joran van der Sloot has always had this information, why did he lie so many times in the past, and why should anyone believe him now? Also, is it likely that van der Sloot will finally implicate the Kalpoe brothers, who either helped him commit the murder or had knowledge of the crime, and also lied to the police in Aruba.

 ::snipping3::



Can't get any more of the article to copy and paste but it is just one more of Joran's schemes.
It does mention the Kalpoe brothers. (added some more - klaasend)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2016, 11:48:17 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
Even though the Lord rose on this day

&

The Washington Huskies advance to the Final Four....

..KTF has never lost FAITH that justice is being served by something much greater than himself


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2016, 10:56:47 PM
Peaches, 2NJ_SONS, and BillB

Gone but not forgotten....



P.S. If I left any Monkey out, please forgive me in advance!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 28, 2016, 12:27:05 AM
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Going to stay in the rafters, until this day passes....I have Faith I'm not the only one... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 28, 2016, 01:37:45 AM
It's not the outcome, it's the process..

 ::monkeywine2::


::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 28, 2016, 02:07:53 AM
Believe it or not, the Monkey's have imposed their will on the outcome, by immersing themselves in THE process.....


JUSTICE


::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 28, 2016, 02:21:17 AM
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6 minutes left Pacific Time, on this Easter Sunday.

Goodnight & God Bless........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2016, 03:55:53 PM
 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2016/03/28/tell-all-book-from-prison-joran-van-der-sloot-promises-new-details-of-natalee-holloway-case-in-500-page-book-video/

Tell-All Book from Prison, Admission or more BS? … Joran Van Der Sloot Promises New Details Of Natalee Holloway Case In 500-Page Book (VIDEO)
 
WHO THINKS THIS IS JUST MORE BS FROM A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR?

Its been a while since we heard some lies from Joran Vander Sloot, the pathological liar and suspected killer of Natalee Holloway. This was the headline from this week’s  RadarOnline.com and The National Enquirer: “World Exclusive! Evil Joran Finally Confesses ‘I murdered Natalee Holloway!’ It is supposed to be a jailhouse admission from the psychopath that has lied more times that Pinocchio. However, the parents of Natalee Holloway say reports of Joran van der Sloot’s latest “videotaped confession” are nothing more than a publicity stunt and “absolutely meaningless.” I could not agree more.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on April 01, 2016, 02:39:03 PM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-vand-der-sloot-confession-video-tell-all-book-plans-revealed/

Prison Tell-All! Joran Van Der Sloot Promises New Details Of Natalee Holloway Case In 500-Page Book

‘The case will be solved, and this will be done!’

Posted on Mar 20, 2016 @ 16:53PM

 ::snipping3::

“The book contains two parts,” he revealed, and begins with the story of what happened to Holloway “of course.”

From there, “I explain how I meet a group of people with whom I visit casinos and so on …” he said. “Gambling has always been my biggest problem.

But overall, he revealed, it will be explosive — and potentially dangerous.

“I think that I’m telling some different aspects that I haven’t told in the past …” he said. “…things that people have never known about.”

For one, he claimed, “people kept sending me money during the entire captivity” as a form of blackmail for keeping their secrets safe.

“Otherwise I will tell people what I know,” he explained, “and they’ve always sent me their money.”


“I’m very sure that when the book gets published, the Justice Dept. would want to know [more about those people],” he bragged. “Not a single doubt in my mind.”

For that reason, however, it could even be deadly.   ::monkeyscissors::




Joran does not know where Natalee's body is buried. He would have already
made a deal if he did to get himself better circumstances and he has not because he can't back it up. Any deal now would require proof of Natalee's body and Joran knows this. So he just uses the alleged I know something to get himself some face time with anyone outside his prison. It ain't gonna happen - ever. Only person who knows is Paulus and he is dead as a donut.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: San on April 01, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-vand-der-sloot-confession-video-tell-all-book-plans-revealed/

Prison Tell-All! Joran Van Der Sloot Promises New Details Of Natalee Holloway Case In 500-Page Book

‘The case will be solved, and this will be done!’

Posted on Mar 20, 2016 @ 16:53PM

 ::snipping3::

“The book contains two parts,” he revealed, and begins with the story of what happened to Holloway “of course.”

From there, “I explain how I meet a group of people with whom I visit casinos and so on …” he said. “Gambling has always been my biggest problem.

But overall, he revealed, it will be explosive — and potentially dangerous.

“I think that I’m telling some different aspects that I haven’t told in the past …” he said. “…things that people have never known about.”

For one, he claimed, “people kept sending me money during the entire captivity” as a form of blackmail for keeping their secrets safe.

“Otherwise I will tell people what I know,” he explained, “and they’ve always sent me their money.”


“I’m very sure that when the book gets published, the Justice Dept. would want to know [more about those people],” he bragged. “Not a single doubt in my mind.”

For that reason, however, it could even be deadly.   ::monkeyscissors::




Joran does not know where Natalee's body is buried. He would have already
made a deal if he did to get himself better circumstances and he has not because he can't back it up. Any deal now would require proof of Natalee's body and Joran knows this. So he just uses the alleged I know something to get himself some face time with anyone outside his prison. It ain't gonna happen - ever. Only person who knows is Paulus and he is dead as a donut.


The person(s) who helped the Sweaty man knows too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on April 06, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
http://radaronline.com/videos/joran-vand-der-sloot-confession-video-tell-all-book-plans-revealed/

Prison Tell-All! Joran Van Der Sloot Promises New Details Of Natalee Holloway Case In 500-Page Book

‘The case will be solved, and this will be done!’

Posted on Mar 20, 2016 @ 16:53PM

 ::snipping3::

“The book contains two parts,” he revealed, and begins with the story of what happened to Holloway “of course.”

From there, “I explain how I meet a group of people with whom I visit casinos and so on …” he said. “Gambling has always been my biggest problem.

But overall, he revealed, it will be explosive — and potentially dangerous.

“I think that I’m telling some different aspects that I haven’t told in the past …” he said. “…things that people have never known about.”

For one, he claimed, “people kept sending me money during the entire captivity” as a form of blackmail for keeping their secrets safe.

“Otherwise I will tell people what I know,” he explained, “and they’ve always sent me their money.”


“I’m very sure that when the book gets published, the Justice Dept. would want to know [more about those people],” he bragged. “Not a single doubt in my mind.”

For that reason, however, it could even be deadly.   ::monkeyscissors::




Joran does not know where Natalee's body is buried. He would have already
made a deal if he did to get himself better circumstances and he has not because he can't back it up. Any deal now would require proof of Natalee's body and Joran knows this. So he just uses the alleged I know something to get himself some face time with anyone outside his prison. It ain't gonna happen - ever. Only person who knows is Paulus and he is dead as a donut.


The person(s) who helped the Sweaty man knows too.

Interesting how no one wants to do the right thing. That says a lot
about who this person is that Paulus paid off. Who owed Paulus. Judgement
day is coming buddy. Wouldn't it be funny if Joran mentions the guys name
in his stupid book only because he knows the evil doers that were involved with Paulus and some diligent monkey investigated and found out. ha ha ha


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: nonesuche on April 07, 2016, 04:07:48 PM
So good to see everyone posting - Hi to all!

I will be doubtful about any book by Joran or a ghost writer even being a reality, until a publisher is revealed. Who would buy a manuscript by the biggest all-time liar on the planet anyway?

How can they even corroborate his allegations of the funding supplied to protect others?? So not likely....

He is such a narcissist/sociopath.......just needed another quick hit of five minutes of fame IMO  ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
So good to see everyone posting - Hi to all!

I will be doubtful about any book by Joran or a ghost writer even being a reality, until a publisher is revealed. Who would buy a manuscript by the biggest all-time liar on the planet anyway?

How can they even corroborate his allegations of the funding supplied to protect others?? So not likely....

He is such a narcissist/sociopath.......just needed another quick hit of five minutes of fame IMO  ::boxjoran::

Hey none! Hope all is good with you and yours.  After all these years, we and many others are still waiting for justice for Natalee.  That hasn't changed. I agree with you, Joran is still "the biggest all time-time liar on the planet".  That hasn't changed.  He's always been such a loser.  In the words of his Momma, he was a "delicious sporter".  Well, Anita was wrong about that.  How about a nacissist/sociopath murderer of young women? !  I truly wish Natalee's loved ones and friends were able to lay her remains to rest in peace.  I'm not sure that will happen in my lifetime, but I would be really, really big if that could become reality.   ::bee::

*This post modified to add  ::boxjoran:: ::boxjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
So good to see everyone posting - Hi to all!

I will be doubtful about any book by Joran or a ghost writer even being a reality, until a publisher is revealed. Who would buy a manuscript by the biggest all-time liar on the planet anyway?

How can they even corroborate his allegations of the funding supplied to protect others?? So not likely....

He is such a narcissist/sociopath.......just needed another quick hit of five minutes of fame IMO  ::boxjoran::

 ::rhino:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 11:18:18 AM
Video of John van den Huevel's show that aired Thursday night at the link.

I'm watching it now, not very far into it yet. 
Heartbreaking clips at the beginning from Stephany's funeral.  ::MonkeyTears::

Seriously?!!!  This convicted murdering animal has actually planned and succeeded in getting his own documentary aired to promote his book from the supposed most notorious prison in Peru?!!!  WTH?!!! 

Almost eleven years later and he is still benefiting from his crimes against Natalee, it makes me sick.

And the manuscript will be kept by Mary Hamer (yes, her again).  Supposedly the only one financially supporting Joran over the last six years...ok whatever.

  JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::boxjoran::


https://www.facebook.com/336248473075444/videos/1174273209272962/

Crime scene

"Confession" Joran van der sloot draws 1,6 million viewers

The interest for joran van der sloot is still great. The interview that crime reporter John van den heuvel with a hidden camera with van der sloot made in the maximum-Security Prison, remote Thursday night in Peru has over 1,6 million viewers.

Joran Van Der Sloot (28) is a Dutch person has been convicted of the murder of the Peruvian student Stephanie Flores on 30 may 2010 and is suspected of involvement in the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway on Aruba at 30 May 2005. Van Der Sloot was on June 3, 2010 arrested in Chile and in detention in the Peruvian Capital Lima. On 13 January 2012 he was sentenced to 28 years imprisonment for the murder of Flores, a fine and deportation from Peru after serving his sentence.

Joran van der sloot said from the challapalca-prison - ' ok well the fire of Peru mentioned - that he is responsible for the murder of Natalee Holloway. ,, I'm just as guilty. I accept everything I've done.'' And :,, I've always lied against justice, never told the truth ''. He also said that he's helped during the murder and that there is a lot of things are things that people have never known. ,, How I came to, for example, money.''

There's a Republican before all images from the same interview in which joran claims he's the Peruvian Stephanie Flores has killed because he thought she was an FBI agent was. ,, If you're not a drug user, you can't imagine that... That's the reason that I killed her. How weird as that sounds, isn't that the truth. I'm not denying that, and that I have here also accepted. I just had so good nothing can accept. It helps myself to live with this.''

According to joran is he writing a book which he has already written several version. ,, I've got nothing left to lose. I've written everything down." When and where that will be issued is unknown. He also spoke about Mary Hammer, the American Radiologist that joran still financially supports. She has advised him to book written by him not to publish. The manuscript of the book should be with her in America. In the book, everything would be what joran stand in the last few years have been through, and he will give details about his life, price and details about the murder of Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on April 17, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
He makes me so sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 06:27:01 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/HollowayCaseNews1/Natalee_ddd.jpg.html)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 06:31:29 PM
He makes me so sick.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 06:57:28 PM
Video of John van den Huevel's show that aired Thursday night at the link.

 ::snipping3::
https://www.facebook.com/336248473075444/videos/1174273209272962/

Crime scene

"Confession" Joran van der sloot draws 1,6 million viewers

The interest for joran van der sloot is still great. The interview that crime reporter John van den heuvel with a hidden camera with van der sloot made in the maximum-Security Prison, remote Thursday night in Peru has over 1,6 million viewers.

 ::snipping3::

They translated Maximo Altez and used Dutch subtitles in part of his interview, so I typed some of them out and ran them through google translate.

Joran bevindt zich nu in een zwaar beveiligde gevangenis. En binnen die gevangenis zit hij geisoleerd.  Dat komt omdat hij problemen had met andere gedetineerden.  In Peru denkt men dat buitenlandse gevangenen veel geld hebben.  En bij Joran van der Sloot dachten ze dat zijn familie miljonair was.  De gevangenen in Challapalca zijn erg gehard en wilden geld van hem.  Maar Joran is iemand die van zich afbijt.  Hij is heel onverschrokken.  Hij vecht terug.  Hij laat niet met zich sollen.  Daarom raakte hij in gevecht en werd hij drie keer in z n rug gestoken.  We vroegen om overplaatsing.  Maar dat werd geweigerd en toen hebben ze hem geisoleerd.  In de gevangenis Challapalca is een speciale ruimte met andere gevangenen.  In deze ruimte bij de keuken zitten maar twee gevangenen.  Joran van der Sloot en 'n adere gevangene.  

Joran is now in a high security prison. And within that prison he's isolated. That's because he had problems with other inmates. In Peru, it is believed that foreign prisoners have lots of money. Ditch and they thought his family was a millionaire by Joran van der. The prisoners in Challapalca are very hardy and wanted money from him. But Joran is someone who stripper himself. He's very fearless. He fights back. He will not be pushed around. That's why he got in a fight and was stabbed three times in z n back. We asked for a transfer. But were refused and then they isolated him. In prison Challapalca is a special area with other prisoners. In this space in the kitchen are only two prisoners. Joran van der Sloot and one posted to another prisoner.

(edit to add more)

Het is een heel zware reis.  Het is zes uur rijden met de auto.  De gevangenis bevindt zich 5500 meter boven de zeespiegel.  Daarom hebben we er problemen met ademhalen.  Het is een zwaar beveiligde gevangenis, dus de ingangscontrole is heel streng.  We zullen een heel andere man aantreffen.  Het is een heel ander persoon dan de man die jullie kennen.  Hij is veel volwassener geworden.  Hej heeft meer verantwoordelijkheden door z'n gezin.  Hij is veranderd.  Zijn persoonlijkheid is helemaal veranderd.  

It is a very difficult journey. It is six hours away by car. The prison is located 5500 meters above sea level. That's why we have trouble breathing. It is a high security prison, so the entry control is very strict. We will see a very different man. It's a completely different person than the man you know. He has become more mature. He has more responsibilities by his family. He has changed. His personality has changed completely.

(another edit to add more)

Joran is veroordeeld en moet de straf nu accepteren.  Hij is in hoger beroep gegaan en nu is 't afgelopen.  Vanwege de gevangenisstraf die Joran is opgelegd, 28 jaar...  Kan een derde van de straf kwijtgescholden worden.  Maar dat is een gunst, geen recht.  En de wet is heel streng voor mensen...  die veroordeeld zijn voor een misdaad als die van Joran.  Dan kennen ze die gunst niet toe.  Tegelijkertijd is de vader van het slachtoffer...  de heer Ricardo Flores, de vader van Stephany Flores...  tegen wie hij die misdaad heeft begaan...  iemand die in Peru veel invloed heeft.  Hij zal ervoor zorgen dat hem geen gunsten worden verleend.  Hij is ons grootste obstakel.  

Joran has been convicted and the punishment must accept now. He appealed and now it 's over. Due to the imprisonment Joran was imposed 28 years ... Can a third of the sentence be remitted. But that is a favor, not a right. And the law is very strict for people ... who have been convicted of a crime as that of Joran. They know that does not favor increasing. At the same time the father of the victim ... Mr Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores ... against whom he committed this crime ... someone who has a lot of influence in Peru. He will ensure that he be granted any favors. He is our biggest obstacle.

(another edit to add more)

Hoe Joran en Leidy elkaar leerden kennen?  Ze leerden elkaar kennen toen Leidy een familielid bezocht.  Daarom hebben ze elkaar in de gevangenis ontmoet, in Castro Castro.  Het is een liefdevolle relatie.  Ze houden van elkaar en communiceren veel.  Leidy staat altijd voor Joran klaar, bijvoorbeeld als hij ziek is.  Ze helpt hem met wettelijke documenten.  Ze doet altijd alles om hem te helpen.  Ja, ongeveer een maand geleden kwam Leidy met haar op bezoek.  Voor Joran was dat heel emotioneel, volgens de gevangenismedewerkers.  Joran werd heel emotioneel toen hij zijn dochter zag.  Hij heeft z'n dochter gezien en is daar heel blij mee.

How Joran and Leidy met? They met when Leidy visited a relative. Therefore, they met in prison Castro Castro. It is a loving relationship. They love each other and communicate a lot. Leidy is always ready for Joran, for example, if he is sick. She helps him with legal documents. They always do anything to help him. Yeah, about a month ago Leidy came to visit her. For Joran was very emotional, according to the prison staff. Joran was very emotional when he saw his daughter. He saw his daughter and was very happy with that.








Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2016, 07:00:43 PM
Sounds to me like more special treatment for the inmate that the authorities determined stabbed himself for a transfer?  If it's really in the kitchen area, the monster is probably staying warm too!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2016, 06:51:55 PM
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_1e2a177e-0d69-11e6-8528-c3e53927e56d.html

Curtain opens for student's original musical "Holloway"
By Keaton Lane, keaton.lane@iowastatedaily.com  Updated Apr 28, 2016   0

The curtain is rising on a new, original musical written by an Iowa State student.

“Holloway” is a new musical written and composed by Joseph Smith, senior in performing arts. The show follows the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway while on a school trip to Aruba and the effect that her disappearance had on her friends and family.

“Back in high school I was aware of the case and of her disappearance, and I was always intrigued and wasn’t quite sure why,” Smith said. “I thought of the case again two years ago. After writing the first song I realized I needed to write this, because I had a voice and a story that I wanted to share, and I had something to give back to the world.”

Smith received a grant through the Focus: Artist Grant Program, which gave him the resources necessary to produce a stage reading of the musical. The reading involves Iowa State students as well as actors from the Ames and Des Moines area.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: Kermit on May 05, 2016, 03:44:39 PM
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_1e2a177e-0d69-11e6-8528-c3e53927e56d.html

Curtain opens for student's original musical "Holloway"
By Keaton Lane, keaton.lane@iowastatedaily.com  Updated Apr 28, 2016   0

The curtain is rising on a new, original musical written by an Iowa State student.

“Holloway” is a new musical written and composed by Joseph Smith, senior in performing arts. The show follows the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway while on a school trip to Aruba and the effect that her disappearance had on her friends and family.

“Back in high school I was aware of the case and of her disappearance, and I was always intrigued and wasn’t quite sure why,” Smith said. “I thought of the case again two years ago. After writing the first song I realized I needed to write this, because I had a voice and a story that I wanted to share, and I had something to give back to the world.”

Smith received a grant through the Focus: Artist Grant Program, which gave him the resources necessary to produce a stage reading of the musical. The reading involves Iowa State students as well as actors from the Ames and Des Moines area.

 ::snipping3::

As bizarre as this sounds, anything that keeps her name in the world is important lest anyone forget.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2016, 10:47:47 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/n3-1.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grandmother_hollowayfamilyg.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2016, 07:19:02 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-aruba-refinery-idUSL1N19E18K

Markets | Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:34pm EDT Related: STOCKS, MARKETS, ENERGY

Venezuela PDVSA unit eyes up to $600 mln to overhaul Aruba refinery

CARACAS, JUNE 22 | BY ALEXANDRA ULMER

Citgo Petroleum, the U.S. unit of Venezuela's PDVSA, will likely invest about $400 million to $600 million to overhaul Aruba's refinery under a 25-year lease with the Caribbean island's government, a top PDVSA official said on Wednesday.

Citgo earlier this month signed the agreement to reactivate the 235,000-barrel-per-day refinery, which would help process the South American's oil producer's extra-heavy crude.

The previous operator, Valero Energy Corp, idled the refinery in 2012 because of its low profit.

"We're eyeing investments in the refinery that would be more or less between $400 (million) and $600 million," Jesus Luongo, vice president of refining, trade and supply, said in an interview on the sidelines of an oil workers' rally in support of the leftist government of Nicolas Maduro.

PDVSA President Eulogio Del Pino told Reuters earlier this month that Citgo was raising money from international banks to fund the project.

Luongo declined to say how much Citgo was seeking.

PDVSA's finances have declined with the slump in oil prices, but Citgo enjoyed some relief last year from higher refining margins.

The Aruba complex could be up and running again within 1-1/2 to two years, Citgo has said.

Venezuela is also mulling building a gas pipeline from the Paraguana peninsula northward to the Aruba refinery, Luongo added.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2016, 08:18:22 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-aruba-refinery-idUSL1N19E18K

Markets | Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:34pm EDT Related: STOCKS, MARKETS, ENERGY

Venezuela PDVSA unit eyes up to $600 mln to overhaul Aruba refinery

CARACAS, JUNE 22 | BY ALEXANDRA ULMER

Citgo Petroleum, the U.S. unit of Venezuela's PDVSA, will likely invest about $400 million to $600 million to overhaul Aruba's refinery under a 25-year lease with the Caribbean island's government, a top PDVSA official said on Wednesday.

Citgo earlier this month signed the agreement to reactivate the 235,000-barrel-per-day refinery, which would help process the South American's oil producer's extra-heavy crude.

The previous operator, Valero Energy Corp, idled the refinery in 2012 because of its low profit.

"We're eyeing investments in the refinery that would be more or less between $400 (million) and $600 million," Jesus Luongo, vice president of refining, trade and supply, said in an interview on the sidelines of an oil workers' rally in support of the leftist government of Nicolas Maduro.

PDVSA President Eulogio Del Pino told Reuters earlier this month that Citgo was raising money from international banks to fund the project.

Luongo declined to say how much Citgo was seeking.

PDVSA's finances have declined with the slump in oil prices, but Citgo enjoyed some relief last year from higher refining margins.

The Aruba complex could be up and running again within 1-1/2 to two years, Citgo has said.

Venezuela is also mulling building a gas pipeline from the Paraguana peninsula northward to the Aruba refinery, Luongo added.

 ::snipping3::

So will they hire Arubans to work at the refinery or Venezuelans?  Not that I really care  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2016, 06:56:40 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-aruba-refinery-idUSL1N19E18K

Markets | Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:34pm EDT Related: STOCKS, MARKETS, ENERGY

Venezuela PDVSA unit eyes up to $600 mln to overhaul Aruba refinery

CARACAS, JUNE 22 | BY ALEXANDRA ULMER

Citgo Petroleum, the U.S. unit of Venezuela's PDVSA, will likely invest about $400 million to $600 million to overhaul Aruba's refinery under a 25-year lease with the Caribbean island's government, a top PDVSA official said on Wednesday.

Citgo earlier this month signed the agreement to reactivate the 235,000-barrel-per-day refinery, which would help process the South American's oil producer's extra-heavy crude.

The previous operator, Valero Energy Corp, idled the refinery in 2012 because of its low profit.

"We're eyeing investments in the refinery that would be more or less between $400 (million) and $600 million," Jesus Luongo, vice president of refining, trade and supply, said in an interview on the sidelines of an oil workers' rally in support of the leftist government of Nicolas Maduro.

PDVSA President Eulogio Del Pino told Reuters earlier this month that Citgo was raising money from international banks to fund the project.

Luongo declined to say how much Citgo was seeking.

PDVSA's finances have declined with the slump in oil prices, but Citgo enjoyed some relief last year from higher refining margins.

The Aruba complex could be up and running again within 1-1/2 to two years, Citgo has said.

Venezuela is also mulling building a gas pipeline from the Paraguana peninsula northward to the Aruba refinery, Luongo added.

 ::snipping3::

So will they hire Arubans to work at the refinery or Venezuelans?  Not that I really care  ::MonkeyCool::

When I read it, I was imagining a much larger influx of Venezuelans to the island.  Considering what I recall from posting in the murder/crime thread for years, that can't be a good thing imo.  But I don't really care either.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2016, 08:04:29 AM
Yep that's what I was thinking too.  Can't be a good thing for tourism  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
Oh boy...got my blood boiling this morning reading this.  ::MonkeyMad::

Have to wonder how much Bobby Brown really knows about this guy. 

Seriously...do your research!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyRoll::


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154359285039759&set=a.426560634758.201625.711809758&type=3

Bobby Brown
59 mins ·
@stephwatts Is truly a ‪#‎HardNosedBrilliantDetermined‬ Investigative ‪#‎HighProfileProducer‬ that is on a MISSION to be the 1st Producer/Reporter that's working NON-STOP to take the WORLD behind the scenes with NEVER before told ‪#‎STORIES‬ that's being ‪#‎RELEASED‬ on his upcoming ‪#‎ID‬ special.

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Bobby Brown shared Steph Watts's post.
2 hrs ·
@stephwatts is the ‪#‎INVESTIGATIVEjournalistEXTRAORDINAIRE‬, the WORLD will be seeing his TENACITY to take everyone behind the scene's from 20 years ago to 2016 with ‪#‎NEVERbeforeToldSTORIES‬ from folks that only agreed to speak out about the ‪#‎MURDERofJonBenetRamsey‬ exclusively to @StephWatts. These amazing STORIES will be revealed in his upcoming ‪#‎SPECIAL‬ on the ID channel. @StephWatts is truly on a MISSION to bring ‪#‎JUSTICEforJonBenet‬, are you WILLING to JOIN him? There is NO such thing as a ‪#‎PerfectMurder‬, will this ‪#‎ID‬ special prove that?

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Steph Watts traveling to New York, New York from Denver International Airport.
10 hrs · Denver, CO ·
It's a wrap....longest week ever, couldn't have got through it without my DP and new found friend Justin Foster. Goodbye Denver, Hello NYC






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2016, 08:03:27 AM
From the twitter posts referenced in the article, this is from the end of May.

http://www.notiactual.com/al-menos-100-venezolanos-deportados-desde-aruba/

Google translation:

At Least 100 Venezuelans Deported From Aruba

At least 10 Venezuelans without papers were arrested early on Saturday in Aruba by the authorities, who have seen illegal migration has intensified in recent months against the rampant economic and supply crises plaguing the oil - rich nation.

Venezuelans arrested on Saturday were in the local "La Silla Bar" and will be deported, as reported by the journalist Yoli Ramirez. In addition, that same Saturday, in other procedures, 22 other people, mostly Venezuelan, were also arrested for not having residence permit on the island.

In recent days some 100 Venezuelans have been detained and deported for not having papers in order to live or work in Aruba, closes Ramirez.


http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-Aruba-at-heightened-state-of-alert-due-to-political-situation-in-Venezuela-30384.html

Aruba at heightened state of alert due to political situation in Venezuela
Published on May 14, 2016

WILLEMSTAD, Curacao -- According to a report by the Aruban news site NoticiaCla.com in connection with the current political situation in Venezuela, where protests and civil unrest are a concern, the Aruba Police Force, together with other relevant authorities, has decided to raise the state of alert, especially on the coast of the island.

In an official statement, authorities indicated that steps have been taken to prevent groups, either out of fear or for a better life, crossing the sea to Aruba.

The public has already noticed the heightened state of alert through more police patrols on the coast. Besides the police patrols on land there will be more patrols on the water by the police, in cooperation with the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard has now increased its presence in Aruban waters.

Although the intensified police controls apply to the entire Aruban coast, there will be extra attention to well-known places like Arashi, the dog cemetery in the Lago Colony and nearby beaches like Baby Beach and Rodgers Beach.

 ::snipping3::


https://thedailyherald.sx/islands/57850-parliaments-to-ask-for-venezuela-action-plan

Parliaments to ask for Venezuela action plan

02 JUNE 2016

THE HAGUE--The Parliaments of the Netherlands, Aruba, Curaçao and St. Maarten will be sending a request to the Kingdom Government to draft a plan of action in case of a full-blown crisis in Venezuela with the associated mass migration to the Leeward Islands.
The four Parliaments, currently meeting in The Hague as part of the Inter-Parliamentary Consultation for the Kingdom IPKO, expressed their deep concern about the crisis in Venezuela. The effects on especially nearby Aruba, and to a lesser extent Curaçao and Bonaire, of a mass migration in the form of refugees would be detrimental.

Aruba, in fact, is already feeling the effects of the Venezuela crisis on a daily basis, said Member of the Aruba Parliament Rene Herdé of the AVP party. Crime has not only been on the rise in Venezuela, but criminals from the South American country have extended their working field to Aruba. “These semi-tourists are committing armed robberies and other crimes,” said Herdé.

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Herdé of Aruba concurred and said that people fleeing Venezuela would opt to come to the islands because there were no other possibilities since the borders with Guyana, Brazil and Colombia are closed. Aruba will surely help the refugee Venezuelans, said Herdé. “They are our friend, our brothers. We are affiliated.”

However, Aruba doesn’t have the physical and organizational capacity to provide shelter for a very large number of Venezuelan refugees, said Herdé. He said Aruba would want to send these people on to other countries such as the United States (US) and Panama.

Member of the Second Chamber André Bosman of the liberal democratic VVD party urged the countries to secure a legal basis on how to deal with refugees. He suggested introducing a visa obligation for Venezuelans who want to visit the islands in order to keep out refugees at the border.

Both Aruba and Curaçao objected to this suggestion of a visa policy. “This is a sovereign matter,” said Andin Bikker of Aruba’s PDR party. “This will also close the doors for wealthy tourists and potential investors. Besides, a visa is not going to stop a refugee. Having a visa policy is not the silver bullet,” said Alex Rosaria of Curaçao’s PAIS party.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2016, 09:39:34 AM
Looks like MIP6 is back, living in Aruba and working with Philip Merryweather.

  ::MonkeyEek::

https://www.gofundme.com/vbg7b884

Created December 24, 2015

Mark Purcell  
  SALLISAW, OK

$965 of $75k goal
Raised by 17 people in 6 months

Philips Animal Garden in Aruba

Welcome all Animal Lovers.

My name is Mark; I have lived in Aruba for over 15 years. I currently help operate the refreshment center at Philips Animal Garden and manage the Facebook and trip advisor postings for Philips Animal Garden. During my time here in Aruba I have been involved with many of the animal rescue organizations in one fashion or another, from raising money for a cat hotel to helping catch the invasive boas to rescuing street dogs to fostering more than 13 cats at one time. Of all the groups I have interacted with Philips Animal Garden is doing the work that no one else can or will do.

Philip Merryweather, founder of Philips Animal Garden has been helping care for animals almost his entire life. From saving abandoned puppy litters and finding them all forever homes and caring for sick birds like egrets & pelicans until they are well enough to be released back into the wild doing all this starting in his pre-teens.

Over the years many of the animals he rescued could not be sent back to the wild or released as by doing this would mean they would not survive. So he started building a small garden on his family’s property to house and care for these different animals, all funded out of his own pocket from his salary as a restaurant server and eventually manager.

A couple of his past rescues, like the baby calf he found dehydrated and trapped in cactus 10 years ago while hiking on the far side of the island, he brought the calf home and bottle feed until it was strong and able to take solid food, today that calf is over 1000 pounds of happy healthy steer.

Another which is still talked about here on the island is how he trapped an ocelot that had escaped from someone’s home that was keeping it as a pet, while others were hunting the animal to kill it, Philip used the urine of another ocelot he had already saved from an abusive owner and was able to trap it, saving it from being killed by others as a danger to the population.

About 6 years ago, a zoo that was on the island collapsed and most of the large animals were sold off to other zoos in South America and the Caribbean, however many large older mammals where left and abandoned to fend for themselves. Philip stepped in and saw to it that all of these animals where fed and watered and cared for and moved them to his garden once he was able to complete the building of safe resident areas for them, all this out of his own pocket!!!!

Five years ago he opened his garden, Philips Animal Garden to the public, as he could no longer fund his passion for animals out of his own pocket, excepting donations at the entrance to help pay for the care of his rescued residents. As word spread of Philip and his garden and his passion for all animals regardless of species, more calls came in asking for help, Philip being Philip never said no to an animal in need. We to this day receive calls daily to help with an abandon baby goat or to rescue someone from a boa that has wondered into their yard or receiving a litter of puppies that was found tossed away like so much trash.

Two and half years ago, he had to start a small tour company Around Aruba Tours to help offset the growing costs to maintain the garden and the rescued residents, all profits from his tour company go back into Philips Animal Garden.

Just the water bill runs more than $100 per day to keep the residents hydrated and the garden clean.

Some of the more recent rescues, Korra a Howler monkey that was found in a 3’ x 3’ cage in someone’s home where he had been kept for more than 5 years or Sam the Jaguarondi that was someone’s “pet” until they could no longer care for it or Coco the crocodile that was found on a disabled boat off the coast of Aruba bound with duct tape heading to god only knows where from somewhere in South America.

The above photos are Korra & Sam.

One of the litters of puppy’s  (6) that we rescued this past Oct. included one little guy, who I named Trey. When the litter came to us they were about 2 weeks old. Trey’s front left paw had been crushed somehow to the point that it was rotting and had to be removed if he was to have any chance to survive. Today at around 11 weeks old Trey is running and enjoying his forever home, his life would have ended back in Oct. if not for the extreme efforts Philip and our team put forward to take care of him.

This is Trey the day him and his litter mates were rescued.

Philip works tirelessly from well before sun rise to late into the night 7 days a week working to make better lives for all animals that needs his help.

The above just scratches the surface of all the great things that Philips Animal Garden has been able to do for all animal species that needs our help. I will be more than happy to provide more detail if you need.

With this campaign we are hoping to raise funds for three specific things:

To raise funds to purchase materials to build forever homes for Sam the Jaguarondi, who is currently in a temporary cage we normally use for rescued cats and kittens that we put up for adoption and for Korra, the Howler monkey who is now in a much bigger area then he lived in for more than 5 years, however this area is far too small for him to live in as a forever home. His current area is approx. 10 feet by 30 feet and 8 feet high.

The cost of materials only for these two areas is $45,000 for us to buy and have shipped to the island.

The third project we are hoping to raise funds for is one that we have already started, to rescue all the homeless street dogs on the island and have them cleaned up and treated for any illness they may have, then neuter them and return them to the streets.

A conservative estimate of the number of homeless dogs on the island is over 3000. With an average life span of less than 6 years, however during that 6 years they can reproduce many more potential homeless puppies, sadly most of these dogs can never find a forever home. Our program is aimed at stopping the cycle of homeless dogs breeding more homeless dogs, a long term solution and one that cannot be done in a week or month or year. This is a program that we will be doing daily if we are able to raise enough funds until we have it under control.

Our cost per dog averages $90.00.

We are hoping to raise $30,000 to give us the opportunity to not have to sit and wait until we have a few extra dollars in the bank, which is what we do now. If we have say $300 available we will go and find 3 or 4 homeless dogs.

With donations specifically designated for this rescue mission we can go out and really have an impact by finding a dozen or more dogs a week.

Our funding needs are urgent, the sooner we are able to rasie the money needed the sooner we can provide the forever homes for Korra & Sam and start making a positive impact on helping all the homeless dogs on the island.

Philip and all of us who share his passion for all animals would be forever grateful to be able to make these three projects come to pass, knowing that we were able to provide safe, healthy lives for all the animals we will be able help have much better lives than they do now.

I know this was long, but I felt the store needed to be told.

We thank you for taking the time to read our story and thank you in advance for donating, if you are not able to donate, we understand and ask that you please share our story and our need with as many people as you can.

 Philips Animal Garden Fackbook

Update 1
6 months ago
 
I want to thank all of you who have donated so far to help us fund our animal rescue habitat’s much needed projects.
Right after I started this gofundme page on Christmas Eve, Philip did another amazing rescue, a momma and her 11 puppies. For details of this rescue visit Philips Animal Gardens facebook page.
I am a little sad that with all of the people who follow and are friends of Philip, Philips Animal Garden and myself we have only been able raise a very small part of what is needed.
Please keep in mind that Philips Animal Garden is operated 100% from donations so every dollar helps.
Thank you all again
Help spread the word!


https://www.facebook.com/pagaruba/

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g488162-d2513634-Reviews-Philip_s_Animal_Garden-Noord_Aruba.html


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Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2016, 10:52:01 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Aruba.Animal.Shelter/photos/a.463727413691989.109572.388212747910123/696842377047157/?type=3

Aruba Animal Shelter
Like This Page · April 12, 2014 ·
 
Lily was adopted today by a nice couple...yay!!!!! — with Mark Purcell and Dora Zapata.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 04, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
Really secure prisons in Peru.


http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-six-prisoners-escape-109882
Six prisoners escape from La Oroya Prison

5 Hours ago



Alex Mann

On Sunday afternoon six heavily armed prisoners escaped from the La Oroya prison, in the Junín region.

It appears as though the prisoners got their weapons from visitors. How is this possible? La Oroya houses 119 inmates, is a minimum security penitentiary, and has very lenient regulations for visiting.

Using their recently acquired weapons the six prisoners were able to reduce prison guards before fleeing the prison facility.

As reported by El Comercio, “The initial report I have is that at approximately 3 p.m. took advantage of a visit,” said Julio Magán, head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
https://www.thedailyherald.sx/islands/58360-d66-vvd-very-concerned-about-citgo-aruba-deal

D66, VVD very concerned about CITGO Aruba deal

25 JUNE 2016

THE HAGUE--The Dutch Government will shortly provide an extensive update to the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament on the recent deal between Aruba and CITGO Petroleum to reopen and operate the refinery in San Nicolas.

Dutch Minister of Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk made this promise during a debate with the Second Chamber’s Permanent Committee for Kingdom Relations on Thursday on the insistence of Member of Parliament (MP) Alexander Pechtold of the Democratic Party D66.

Pechtold and his colleague André Bosman of the liberal democratic VVD party questioned the deal between the Aruba Government and CITGO, the United States unit of Venezuela’s state-owned petroleum company PdVSA, signed in Caracas earlier this month.

Based on the agreement, CITGO will likely invest about US $400 million to US $600 million to overhaul Aruba’s refinery under a 25-year lease. The Aruba complex could be up and running again within one and a half to two years, CITGO has said.

Venezuela is also mulling building a gas pipeline from the Paraguana peninsula northward to the Aruba refinery. Running the facility on gas will make the refinery more environmentally friendly. Constructing the gas pipeline is a costly affair for which the finances still have to be secured.

Both Pechtold and Bosman referred to the highly unstable situation in neighbouring Venezuela. “The country is on the verge of a civil war,” said Pechtold, who wondered how this would affect the reopening of the Aruba refinery, the associated investments and the plans to build a gas pipeline.

“Of course the reopening of the refinery would be a big boost for Aruba’s refinery, but there are also nature and environmental risks. Besides, there are doubts whether this is financially sound,” said Pechtold, who questioned Venezuela’s financial-economic stability. “Who will pay for the gas pipeline?

Besides no one knows for certain that the facility will indeed run on gas in the future,” said Pechtold.

Bosman also inquired about the cost of the pipeline. “The construction of a pipeline is a costly affair, and I am not even talking about the maintenance. All that for an inefficient refinery? I am very worried whether this project is financially feasible. Looking ahead, I see a hole of several billions. Who will pay for that? Certainly not the Dutch taxpayer,” said Bosman.

In answering the concerns and questions posed, Minister Plasterk emphasized that the refinery was first and foremost an autonomous affair of Country Aruba. This also counted for the financial aspects of the reopening of the refinery. He said that as far as he knew the deal was not entirely completed and that the finances for the projected gas pipeline and the consequences for the environment were not clear as yet.

Pechtold and Bosman expressed great concerns about the project. “A bit shady. There are simply too many things that are unclear. I want to know whether there is a deal or not, and I want to know the details of this deal,” said Bosman.

“This is getting me a bit nervous,” said Pechtold, who asked Plasterk if he was willing to look over Aruba’s shoulder in their dealings with this highly complex affair. “The contract involves an extensive document of some 2,000 pages.”

A proactive approach in this regard from the side of the Netherlands would be very wise, also because the complexity of the project, legal, geo-politically and otherwise, would be too large for Aruba to handle on its own, said Pechtold. “I want to prevent that in two to three years we will all say, we should have kept better check.”

Plasterk promised that he would discuss Pechtold’s request for voluntary expert assistance with the Aruba Government. He also pledged to draft a letter to the Second Chamber before the summer recess with the information that he had concerning the CITGO deal.

Pechtold, who pressed Plasterk for this letter, asked that the document contain a sort of “quick scan” with not only information about the deal, but also which consequences the situation in Venezuela could have on the Aruba refinery. “I want to be informed broadly, because I am not at all comfortable on this matter.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2016, 07:33:05 AM
Aruba will never live this down, we're still waiting...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.emergencymgmt.com/training/New-course-prepares-future-visitor-industry-leaders-for-disasters.html

New Course Prepares Future Visitor Industry Leaders for Disasters
The course aims to teach students new and innovative ways to face 21st-century crises ranging from pandemics and natural disasters to economic undulations, terrorism, crime and ocean safety.

Allison Schaefers, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser | July 5, 2016

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“It is our goal at KCC to educate our students with the knowledge of the importance of security and safety prior to entering the workforce. As the future leaders of hospitality and tourism, they must know that tourism and security must be partners,” said Rosalie Fernandez, the KCC associate professor and program coordinator working to develop the course curriculum.

As one of the world’s top leisure destinations, Tarlow said Hawaii needs to be mindful of becoming complacent.

“We do have to make the assumption that when people go on vacation they assume that you are there to take care of them,” Tarlow said.“It’s very important in tourism to show people that you care.”

Tarlow said the Hawaii Visitor Industry Security Association and the Visitor Aloha Society of Hawaii (VASH) have helped mitigate damage from negative visitor experiences since the late 1990s, when crime in Waikiki was at its zenith and a high rate of crystal meth use was creating widespread problems.

“Crime had gotten to the point where the Japanese consul general was going to go on TV and recommend that Waikiki was unsafe for Japanese travelers,” he said. “In those days there was a lot of purse snatching, pickpocketing, car break-ins, prostitution and street performers that would harass and rip off tourists.”

Hawaii is not without such crime today, but Tarlow said VASH successfully works with the Honolulu Police Department, which has a substation in Waikiki.

“I speak about VASH all over the world,” Tarlow said. “Nobody does a better job taking care of someone when something goes wrong. In today’s world people aren’t afraid of security, they are looking for it.”

Jessica Lani Rich, executive director of VASH, said despite improved security for tourists, the agency last year handled 890 incidents involving 2,123 people from more than 25 countries. Most of the victims — nearly 59 percent — were referred to the agency by county police.

“Our visitors need to be aware that even when they are on vacation, they need to keep their guard up,” Rich said. “We deal with a lot of thefts on the beach and car break-ins, but we also see victims of vacation rental scams and other more serious incidents like assaults and drownings.”

Nearly a quarter of VASH’s 2015 cases involved theft. Unauthorized entry of a motor vehicle and medical emergencies were the next-largest categories, with each responsible for nearly 17 percent of VASH cases. Robbery was the cause of nearly 6 percent of VASH’s cases.

Virtually the only major crime that VASH didn’t have to respond to last year was kidnapping. The agency helped visitors who complained that they had been victims of assault, sex crimes, terroristic threats, auto theft, domestic abuse, attempted murder and human trafficking. They also handled reports of missing persons and auto accidents.

VASH handled 154 deaths last year. No homicides or auto deaths were reported. Natural causes accounted for more than a third of the cases; however, the highest death count came from water/ocean incidents, which killed 62 people, or 40 percent of the total.

“People don’t expect bad things to happen in paradise,” Rich said.

That’s why Tarlow said Hawaii’s visitor industry and its future leaders need to be prepared.

“We will never teach our visitors how to take care of themselves. The word ‘vacation’ is derived from the French word ‘vacance,’ which means to empty the mind,” said Tarlow, who advised the Caribbean island of Aruba on how to restore tourism after the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Still, it only takes one incident to destroy a tourism industry, Tarlow said.

“The public is more forgiving of a natural event than a man-made one,” he said. “Ten years later Aruba is still dealing with the abuse and neglect that came out of the Natalee Holloway incident. They’ve only started to come back.”



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: grace-land on July 07, 2016, 04:37:14 PM
http://peru21.pe/actualidad/tacna-piden-cerrar-penal-challapalca-2250902

Google translation

Tacna: Mayors ask Pedro Pablo Kuczynski close Challapalca wave of insecurity
Saturday July 2, 2016 | 7:59

Tacna. The mayor of Tacna, Luis Torres, and district mayors of New City, Pocollay and Natividad sent a petition to President-elect Pedro Pablo Kuczynski, requesting that the Challapalca prison, located in the mountains of the Tacna region is closed. To this request leaders from different locations joined Puno.

They claim that due to the presence of those close to the 144 highly dangerous inmates held in this prison, insecurity has increased alarmingly in both regions.

"To survive (relatives) carry out illegal activities affecting the peace," says the document.

In the Challapalca prison, which is located at 4,800 meters, they are held Joran van der Sloot, Gerald Oropeza, Renzo Espinoza, alias 'Renzito' Carlos Timaná, among others.

Perú21 communicated with the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to its position on the request of the mayors, however, representatives of the Office Imaging indicated that they will not comment until receiving the formal request of the authorities.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2016, 12:33:51 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208930849804487&set=a.1564022696486.2079692.1112926544&type=3&theater

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208889209083495&set=a.10200843031214077.1073741826.1112926544&type=3&theater

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Ricardo FloresChipoco with Bob Flores.
May 30 ·
With my son JuanCarlos visiting my daughter today is 6 years which left us

https://www.facebook.com/ricardorifloflores/photos/a.590747294296242.1073741833.590459490991689/1032786326759001/?type=3&theater

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Ricardo Riflo Flores
June 19  ·
 
Feliz día al mejor padre que existe.
Esta foto lo dice todo.
Te amo ❤️🇵🇪🏁👏🍾

Happy bday to the best dad there is.
This photo says it all.
I love you


Feb 20, 2016
http://elbocon.pe/otros-deportes/carrera-de-autos/ricardo-flores-representara-a-peru-en-la-carrera-homestead-500-120058/

Ricardo Flores will represent Peru at the Homestead race 500
Aboard his Ford Mustang, the Peruvian pilot going for the win at Homestead 500.

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https://ricardoflorespiloto.blogspot.com/2016/05/ricardo-flores-kommt-hart-zu-spielberg.html

martes, 24 de mayo de 2016

RICARDO FLORES COMES HARD TO PORSCHE CARRERA CUP GERMANY SPIELBERG

After a successful start in Oschersleben and Hockenheim, the Peruvian driver Ricardo Flores is ready to participate for the fifth and sixth data of the famous Porsche Carrera Cup Germany. The race is run on the Red Bull Ring in Austria. The 26-year-old from Lima has collected his basics in motorsport in his home country. Flores is part of a select group of pilots from Austria, Germany, Holland, Ireland, England, Switzerland, Norway and Sweden. Ricardo adds experience and kilometers of the Porsche Super Cup goal. This category is a showcase for those looking for new talent. 2007 to 2013 he drove circuit racing and rallies, sometimes with his father. "I never had to run the chance of the Red Bull Ring. The simulator has helped me. Hours and hours Training on the simulator let me its lines, curves and all the details to know. also, it helps to understand me the car. My mood is very high. prepared very well physically and mentally to win, "Flores said. in the last two years Flores, he moved to sports car racing (SCCA) in the USA and he also launched at the Nascar Whelen All Series. He allowed his first 24-hour race with a Ford Mustang in Daytona. 2016 he was with a BMW the German team Sorg Motorsport first time for the 24 Hours of Dubai field. Ricardo Flores Ramirez now starts in his first season in the Porsche Carrera Cup Germany in the B-rating for the gentleman driver. The weekend will be special for Ricardo Flores. His car carries the Peruvian colors with pride and he is an ambassador of our country in Europe. A very high presence of Peru in the world motorsport. Good luck Ricardo. Hans-Peter Firbas Press Ricardo Flores

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2ux__YDNg

Published on Jul 4, 2016
Ricardo "Riflo" Flores Jr. Class B wins Porsche Carrera Cup Deutschland

 ::MonkeyDance::

https://www.facebook.com/ricardorifloflores/photos/a.590641460973492.1073741832.590459490991689/1037402186297415/?type=3&theater

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208930849804487&set=a.1564022696486.2079692.1112926544&type=3&theater

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 ::justice2nj2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2016, 03:12:54 PM
http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/jul/08/hlns-nancy-grace-leaving-her-legal-show/

HLN’s Nancy Grace leaving her legal show

By Associated Press
Published: July 8, 2016, 5:51 AM
NEW YORK — Tough-talking former prosecutor Nancy Grace is leaving her prime-time show on the HLN network in October.

The CNN sister station said Grace told her staff Thursday that her show would be ending after 12 years. Grace, 56, said in a statement that she’ll be leaving “with a full heart and endless gratitude.”

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Grace, who turned to law after her fiancee was murdered in college, worked in an Atlanta-area district attorney’s office and became a go-to television personality commenting on trials in the post-O.J. Simpson era. Her HLN show focused on missing children and crime victims.

Her popularity boomed when missing children cases such as Caylee Anthony, Natalee Holloway and Elizabeth Smart dominated mainstream news. But fewer of those cases have broken through to wide attention in recent years. In the age demographic that TV executives seek, her audience dropped to a third or quarter what it was in its peak years.

Grace said the show “created an unparalleled platform that gave crime victims a voice and succeeded in helping to find missing people and solve unsolved homicides.”


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Post by: Nut44x4 on August 20, 2016, 04:10:46 AM
Sorry to hear this. I like Nancy, although she get a bit dramatic now and then, lol. I beleive she truly cares about people.

I have a question, as my memory fails me. Did Beth or Dave ever use a Psychic other than the ones who brought the TV crew  ::MonkeyNoNo::  :smt091   :roll: ?? Ever try someone like Nancy Myers or Phil Jorden??

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
Sorry to hear this. I like Nancy, although she get a bit dramatic now and then, lol. I beleive she truly cares about people.

I have a question, as my memory fails me. Did Beth or Dave ever use a Psychic other than the ones who brought the TV crew  ::MonkeyNoNo::  :smt091   :roll: ?? Ever try someone like Nancy Myers or Phil Jorden??

 ::jeep3::

I agree about Nancy.  She does care, and I'll miss her.

This psychic came to mind, I think she's the one that went to KIA with Dave iirc.

http://www.maryannmorgan.org/testimonials.html

Quote
I met Mary Ann Morgan under the most difficult of circumstances. She was brought to Aruba with the Texas Equusearch Group to search for my daughter Natalee Holloway, who went missing on her school trip. She was introduced as a psychic medium that had information about Natalee. At the onset of our meeting Mary Ann provided me with detailed information that was obscure in nature. No one had access to this information but immediate family. To this date I have told only a select few people these details. Portions of the information was verifiable immediately, other information we believe has to come to fruition through time .

I have to note that I am a devoted Christian and I believe Mary Ann’s gifts are from GOD. Over the past year we have spent a great deal of time speaking about the difficulties surrounding this case with all its’ ups and downs. Mary Ann maintains integrity while using her gifts for counseling. Mary Ann is the only intuitive that has worked actively with my family on Natalee’s disappearance. She is the only intuitive that I have approvingly appeared with on Television, The Abrams report. I am glad to say that Robin and I refer to Mary Ann as our friend. I know she feels the same way."

Sincerely,
Dave Holloway
Loving father of Natalee Holloway


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8644885/ns/msnbc-the_abrams_report/t/aruba-medium/#.V7ppe_krIdU

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updated 7/20/2005 5:17:36 PM ET

TRANSCRIPT
Keeping an open mind in desperate times can be as essential as keeping faith.  Together with officials in Aruba, Natalee Holloway's family turned to a higher power to help find the missing teen.
“Natalee contacted me several weeks ago and I spoke to her briefly in the middle of the night," says Mary Ann Morgan, a medium helping on the case.  "She gave me seven pages of detailed notes and from those, she gave a message to her father, a message to her mother, details about how, when, why, what and where everything happened and that's what I took with me to Aruba.”
Police usually don't rely on the occult as standard protocol, but Aruban detectives are using every tool at their disposal.
“I'm a medium and I'm a search tool, just like the divers or the dogs or the searchers,” says Morgan.
However, Morgan notes, "Natalee is unfindable" because most of her research isn't specific enough to pinpoint exact details.
Aruban detectives and Houston based Equusearch have been given access to the medium’s notes.
Natalee’s father Dave Holloway says Morgan's findings include “obscure information about myself and my family that no one else would know.”
Morgan primarily works to make contact with the dead and recover valuable information.  To her, “we live on through eternity, death is an illusion that we deal with here in this reality.”
Natalee Holloway disappeared May 30.



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Post by: Nut44x4 on August 23, 2016, 04:49:12 AM
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Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
Video at the link

http://www.today.com/news/natalee-holloway-s-mother-justice-has-not-been-served-11-t102311

Natalee Holloway's mother: 'Justice has not been served' 11 years after her disappearance
6 hours ago

Eleven years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a trip to Aruba, her mother is still hoping for justice when it comes to the man she believes took her daughter's life.

In May 2005, Holloway vanished on a trip with friends following her graduation from an Alabama high school in a disappearance that remains an unsolved mystery. Joe Fryer spoke with her mother, Beth Holloway, as part of this week's "Where Are They Now?: True Crime" series on TODAY.

"You're never over feeling the loss of your loved one,'' Holloway said.
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"Justice is being served for Stephany Flores, thank God,'' Holloway said. "And he is in prison in Peru. But justice has not been served for Natalee."

"That would be justice to me, to see him serve prison time in the United States. That would be justice for Natalee."
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Holloway, who manages a horse ranch in Montana and does motivational speaking, is not frustrated about waiting for van der Sloot's sentence in Peru to end in order to face charges in America. In 2010, she snuck into the prison in Peru to confront him about her daughter's disappearance.

"No, it's not gonna be hard,'' she said. "I take great comfort. I left him in a prison in Peru, so I feel good about that."


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Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2016, 06:19:29 AM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/08/justice_has_not_been_served_fo.html

'Justice has not been served for Natalee,' Beth Holloway tells TODAY

By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com
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on August 29, 2016 at 1:17 PM, updated August 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM

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"Justice is being served for Stephany Flores, thank God,'' Holloway said on TODAY. "And he is in prison in Peru. But justice has not been served for Natalee."

"That would be justice to me, to see him serve prison time in the United States. That would be justice for Natalee."

Asked if the wait for that to happen is difficult, she replied, "No, it's not gonna be hard,'' she said. "I take great comfort. I left him in a prison in Peru, so I feel good about that."

She said she has been approached about a possible plea deal, which she does not support. "There are no deals,'' she said. "I don't want a deal."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrr1xFtQ6-M


Natalee Holloway’s Disappearance: Mother Speaks Out 11 Years Later | TODAY
TODAY

Published on Aug 29, 2016
It’s been 11 years since Natalee Holloway vanished without a trace during a graduation trip in Aruba. Since then her mother, Beth, has dealt with extortion plots and taunting from the man accused in her disappearance. So are authorities any closer to finding out what happened? Her mother tells TODAY why her quest for justice isn't over. NBC’s Joe Fryer reports for TODAY.

https://www.youtube.com/v/mrr1xFtQ6-M


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Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2016, 01:18:33 PM
http://crimefeed.com/2016/09/most-notorious-vacation-crimes/?sf35101839=1

SAND, SUN, AND SLAUGHTER: 5 NOTORIOUS MURDERS THAT HAPPENED ON VACATION
September 2, 2016 by Catherine Townsend

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Natalee Holloway — Aruba

The Alabama teen dominated national headlines when she went missing from an unofficial graduation trip to Aruba in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005. Holloway was last seen by her classmates leaving Carlos ‘n Charlies at around 1:30 A.M. with 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch student living on the island; and his friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21; and Satish Kalpoe, 18. Despite a lengthy investigation, van der Sloot was never charged with Holloway’s murder — and her body was never found. Five years later, he pleaded guilty to the “cruel” and “ferocious” 2010 murder of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he had met at a casino in Lima. Van der Sloot, who elbowed Flores in the face before strangling her with a bloodied shirt, was sentenced to 28 years in prison. When he is released, he is expected to be extradited to the United States to face charges of extortion and fraud for allegedly falsely promising to lead Natalee Holloway’s mother to the girl’s body in exchange for $25,000 payment. Beth Holloway recently told People magazine that while she is relieved van der Sloot is behind bars, he should be serving time in the U.S. for Natalee’s murder.

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Post by: Keepthefaith on October 11, 2016, 01:04:15 AM
Justice for Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores

Goodnight and God Bless!

KTF


P.S. Danger Island, we don't forget....


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Post by: wreck on October 11, 2016, 11:58:52 AM
Justice for Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores

Goodnight and God Bless!

KTF


P.S. Danger Island, we don't forget....
...... your Huskies are kickin' butt!   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on October 11, 2016, 11:43:25 PM
Over on the sports board Wreck!

Justice for Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores

Goodnight & God Bless

KTF


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




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Post by: msmarple on October 15, 2016, 01:41:05 AM
hello again monkeys,

just wondering if anything ever happened with the Dr. Phil - Kalpoe legal wrangling?

hope all of you are well ...


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Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2016, 06:59:55 PM
hello again monkeys,

just wondering if anything ever happened with the Dr. Phil - Kalpoe legal wrangling?

hope all of you are well ...


 ::HelloKitty::  So good to see you!

The case was dismissed, with prejudice, March 17, 2015!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2nj2::

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/lawsuit_against_dr_phil_in_nat.html

http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mcgraw-signed.pdf


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Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2016, 09:03:44 AM
Hi Msmarple!  Yes, it was dismissed like TM said!  So excited!  Bet certain people in Aruba and the Kalpoes were disappointed  ::justice2nj2::


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Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
Natalee should be celebrating her 30th birthday today!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyTears::

We'll never forget.

We will always remember how her life was stolen, and how Aruba covered up the crimes against her and denied her family peace and justice.

My thoughts and prayers are with all who loved Natalee.

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2nj2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg.html)

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-7.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-7.jpg.html)

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/9ebd82a1-7b04-44e7-93ab-0b16f1554c91_zps771e086e.jpg.html)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazineIndex_Beth.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/texasmom55/media/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazineIndex_Beth.jpg.html)


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Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2016, 07:54:39 PM
 ::MonkeyHeart::


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Post by: Sleuth on October 22, 2016, 02:56:29 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Happy Birthday Natalee ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Monkeys..klaasend, you are amazing..


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Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1294136450608688&id=114550875233924

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Aruba Airport
22 hrs · Oranjestad, Aruba ·
Due to the heavy and unexpected rainfall on the island, the airport has experienced some water damage in the terminal, but our dynamic team is working very fast to normalize the situation and have the terminal area dry again.
The airport is open and operational, but we do wish to inform you of the current situation.
Thank you for understanding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmAq-R-P3KQ

Airport na ARUBA bou di awa

https://www.youtube.com/v/qmAq-R-P3KQ

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207849539736581&set=a.3687870395521.184998.1238026623&type=3

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QBah Reinout van Gendt
15 mins · Oranjestad, Aruba ·
Yes, I wanted to swim in #Aruba... But not everywhere! 🌧😂 Glad everybody is okay #Aruba #RainyDays 🌧

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https://www.facebook.com/Willeke.Kok/posts/10211120840357805?match=I0FydWJhLGFydWJh
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Willeke Kok feeling emotional.
28 mins · Oranjestad, Aruba ·
Sinterklaas arrived on Aruba....however the weather is not in our favor....big welcome party tonight, Plaza Betico , has been cancelled.


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Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
Looks like a mess in Aruba  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on November 24, 2016, 07:08:32 AM
https://thedailyherald.sx/islands/61744-plasterk-offers-help-to-floods-hit-aruba

Plasterk offers help to floods-hit Aruba

21 NOVEMBER 2016
 

THE HAGUE--Dutch Minister of Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk has offered Aruba assistance to deal with the consequences of Sunday’s flash floods.
Plasterk, who offered the assistance on behalf of the Dutch Government, spoke with Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman over the telephone on Monday. Eman said he was happy with the assistance that his government was offered over the weekend from both the Dutch Marines and the Detective Cooperation Team RST.
The assistance by the Marines and the RST proved unnecessary as the local emergency services were able to handle the situation on their own. Minister Plasterk assured the Prime Minister that the offer of assistance still stood in case this was needed.
Plasterk stated that he was shocked by the images that he saw of the extreme weather and immense amount of rainfall which caused severe flooding in several areas. “Fortunately there were no fatal accidents, but the material damage is great and naturally a storm weather of this kind has an immense impact on the people of Aruba. We are most willing to lend a helping hand if it can contribute to Aruba’s support,” he stated in a press release on Monday.
Early Sunday morning, Aruba was faced with a highly abnormal amount of rain of almost 70mm. This was almost double the amount of rain that fell on the island during hurricane Matthew last month.
The most urgent, dangerous areas of flooding included Palm Beach, Tanki Leendert, Paradera, Madiki, Sabana Liber and Seroe Patrishi. In cooperation with the local Red Cross, an emergency shelter was opened at the Don Bosco Club in Noord for persons who were forced out of their homes.

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Post by: texasmom on November 24, 2016, 07:10:23 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2nj2::




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Post by: texasmom on November 24, 2016, 07:38:22 AM
This happened earlier this year, she is from Beth's hometown. 

http://www.thv11.com/news/local/family-of-woman-jailed-in-aruba-speaks-on-her-experience/269924430

Family of woman jailed in Aruba speaks on her experience

Andronette Anderson was jailed in Aruba after airport security found a firearm in her lugguage. Months later, she is finally home. Marielle Mohs has the story.

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Marielle Mohs , KTHV 9:03 PM. CDT July 11, 2016
 
PINE BLUFF, Ark. (KTHV) -- A retired Pine Bluff teacher jailed in Aruba for 4 months is now free and back on U.S. soil.

Andronette Anderson, known to her friends as "Anne," was in Aruba in March with her cousin celebrating both of their birthdays.

Anderson was jailed when she was going through airport security on her way back to America, when Aruban authorities found a gun in her back.

Her trial kept getting pushed back, but it finally happened Friday, July 8, where she was found innocent and released.

A press conference on Monday was held at the Pine Bluff community center, where Anderson’s family and faith leaders spoke of her experience in an Aruban jail and their gracious return.

“We believe that it was through prayer that she was able to return back home safely,” said Pastor Amelio Howard of Grace Temple Church, where Anderson attended and played the organ on Sundays.

Anderson depended on both her family and faith family while she was jailed.

“The moment I got the phone call, I thought I was going to pass out,” said Patricia Smith, Anderson’s cousin.

At the press conference, they celebrated the removal of prayer bracelet's the community's been wearing since Anderson has been gone.

“We can pull ours off now because we are excited and happy that she was able to be vindicated,” said Reverend Jesse Turner.

Grace Temple Church in Pine Bluff became Anderson’s rock during her time in jail.

“We sincerely prayed that God would deliver her from Aruba,” Howard said. 

Howard spoke with Anderson from jail every 7 to 10 days.

The church sent her cards frequently.

“That kind of encouraged her when she got down on certain days, she would read some of the cards that the church and community sent to her,” Howard said.

The Pine Bluff community in shock this retired teacher would be jailed over a gun found in her bag.

“She was always quiet, to herself, non-violent,” Howard said.

Her cousin, Patricia Smith, says she returned healthy and unharmed.

“She's fine. They didn't mistreat her,” Smith said.

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Post by: texasmom on November 24, 2016, 08:11:06 AM
http://**/news/20160902/andersons-homecoming-filled-with-tears-of-joy


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Anderson and her cousin, Shaunita Young, selected Aruba for their vacation trip because “… it was so beautiful,” Anderson said. “But it turned out to be a nightmare.”


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Post by: Keepthefaith on December 04, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
Washington vs. Alabama

KeepTheFaith

Although I'm very proud of my Huskies, Natalee is probably gonna get the best of us in this one...


Go Dawgs!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2016, 10:51:48 AM