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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Catriana on June 20, 2005, 06:51:17 PM
A gentle reminder, that at times we get heated and angry over something we read. Perhaps something someone else says. When you feel yourself typing out things you would "never say to a person if they were standing in front of you", well.. that is the time to step away.

Get a coffee, watch some TV, hug your hubby/wife, take a walk, take a shower.... take a break. Go watch the sunset.

This is a highly emotional issue that has dragged on for weeks (and might go for weeks more).

Remember, we are all real people with real feelings. Sometimes, when we type out "words" they aren't taken in the same context that we meant them.

Give others the same latitude you would like them to give you. Don't assume the worst, look for how that person could have meant something other than the worst.

Life's too short. We are not lost... our loved ones know where we are.

Be thankful.
A new thread for news and discussions.

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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 06:53:34 PM
Quote
Quote from: "sandy"
Knowing him - I will be lucky if he notices!


Rip your pj's off. Meet him at the door naked, lead him to the bedroom. Within four minutes he will be sound asleep and you can rush back to what he interrupted by comming home.


That was so very funny...only because it is so very true!!!!!!   :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 06:53:50 PM
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 06:55:45 PM
I would have hauled tail!  He is going through a lot if he did not have anything to do with it, not being able to judge, son in prison, wife depressed i am sure, not to mention if he has a conscious finding Nat.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 06:56:11 PM
I will be adding Van Der Sloot RSS feeds to this tonight. Updates from online newsarticles in real time about Natalee

http://www.i66.com/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 06:56:38 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!

 :lol:  I probably would have left it UNLOCKED!! ROFLMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: monkeysMOO on June 20, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
so there is a missing man, a headless man and possibly another missing person, is that correct...?


Just to add a little more confusion, here's a quote from Riehl World View that states another murder is under investigation, in addition to the decapitated victim.  Also mentions a missing persons report... I'm not sure if the new missing person report filed today is the guy whose truck was found or someone different?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/aruba_decapitat.html

"A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time."


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ben on June 20, 2005, 06:58:25 PM
Is Steven Croes still being detained??


Title: Translation of clevefan article in Dutch
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 06:58:36 PM
Clevefan:  Where did you get this?  

Bendex:  What is doodslag?  

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother.  According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that."  According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem.  Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!


What letter?  I've been so busy at work I've missed everything today.  Looks like quite a brouhaha....and everyone thought I was the cranky one!!!  Sheesh.

Somebody give me a quick update, please?

~Nancy


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 06:58:37 PM
:::stumbling back into room::::

Cali, I went back through all the stuff from approx. 2:36 am and I do not see the name you are looking for.

Oh....and do we need to get the report on Page One that says it is Joran who tried suicide to be changed??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!

 :lol:  I probably would have left it UNLOCKED!! ROFLMAO


Yeah, except then as I'm driving down the road blotting the sweat off my brow some camera man from some station would pop out of my back seat and scare me so bad I'd pee my pants on national (or international) TV!!!!!   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 06:58:43 PM
OK, I hate to ask, but have ANY of the MSM reported the suicide attempt? TYIA I'm about to take my son to karate.


Title: Re: RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 14
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
[color=redDO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!
Thank you![/color]


Can we feed them fish food with hooks in it???


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 20, 2005, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote
Quote from: "sandy"
Knowing him - I will be lucky if he notices!


Rip your pj's off. Meet him at the door naked, lead him to the bedroom. Within four minutes he will be sound asleep and you can rush back to what he interrupted by comming home.


That was so very funny...only because it is so very true!!!!!!   :lol:  :lol:


Dragonfly beat me to it, but I was gonna recommend the same thing!......Trust me, I have been caught so many times, usually I cover by hearing the truck, jumping in the shower, turn on the water, and come out wrapped in a towel with wet hair! If I think he wants more than a 5 min conversation about something that happened at the office, I do everything I can to give him his 5 minutes of happiness.(you know what I mean) Usually those nights I don't even have to cook, I can just get back on line! LOLOL  That is the good thing about no kids at home!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: "Ben"
Is Steven Croes still being detained??


Yes another 8 days.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Sharonywr on June 20, 2005, 06:59:23 PM
Quote:
sandy wrote:
Knowing him - I will be lucky if he notices!


Rip your pj's off. Meet him at the door naked, lead him to the bedroom. Within four minutes he will be sound asleep and you can rush back to what he interrupted by comming home. }}

Hm, I would have been back in less than 2 minutes--only have to read a page to catch up!!!

LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


I second that


Title: suicide attempt
Post by: mskygirl on June 20, 2005, 06:59:41 PM
Possibly this suicide attempt was by Joran with all of the pressure and such that is upon him...for what he has done...to himself, his family, and his friends...not to mention his community.  Could this be the reason his Mom and Pop have been rushed to and from the jail...afterall, he is a minor...and a suicide attempt might warrant a visit by parents.  I don't know...just a thought.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:00:44 PM
Shepard Smith. Foxnews. Stuff from aruba!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:01:05 PM
Thanks Nikki!

I just like to keep an open mind about everyone.

In the end, this sadly because it has the ripple effect. When Natalee is brought home, her life has changed forever. A sweet wonderful intelligent young woman is missing out on the best times of her life.

As a mother, I can only imagine the pain that one must feel also when their child has been accussed of a crime and has played a part in it. From the moment you children are born, you have hopes, dreams and the best intentions for your child.

That goes to also say, that I can not even fathom, what BH is going through. I do know, through her carefully chosen words, and believe she knows for sure that Natalee is alive.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: HannieC on June 20, 2005, 07:01:38 PM
doodslag..............> is manslaughter


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: "monkeysMOO"
Quote from: "Rob"
so there is a missing man, a headless man and possibly another missing person, is that correct...?


Just to add a little more confusion, here's a quote from Riehl World View that states another murder is under investigation, in addition to the decapitated victim.  Also mentions a missing persons report... I'm not sure if the new missing person report filed today is the guy whose truck was found or someone different?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/aruba_decapitat.html

"A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time."


is there a chance, that all of this mayhem is interconnceted?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:02:41 PM
Is that pretty much as our manslaughter in this country?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!

 :lol:  I probably would have left it UNLOCKED!! ROFLMAO


Yeah, except then as I'm driving down the road blotting the sweat off my brow some camera man from some station would pop out of my back seat and scare me so bad I'd pee my pants on national (or international) TV!!!!!   :lol:

I would have found a small bathroom and ran through alleys LMAO

:::poking head out of trashcan::: Pssttt are they gone?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 07:03:56 PM
CaliGirl  very good post from you!  I agree...it's so easy to smell blood and fee like a shark...





Quote
CaliGirl



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 316
Location: SoCal
   
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I really would like to share this post from http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html :

"I almost laughed watching Van Der Sloot sprint to his car as media folk charged him after he left the police station Saturday night -- not at the man himself, but at the bewilderment expressed by the talking heads babbling over the video as to why the man didn't comment and got the hell out of there so fast. Were they serious? What would you do? You've just been interviewed for 4 solid hours by police, your son is in jail suspected of murder, the American media has flocked like so many grackles to your island home, the biggest names among them mispronouncing your name left and right... would you want to comment if they came barrelling after you with all that going on? It was the only moment of sympathy I've really felt for anyone other than Natalee Holloway's family since this story started weaving its way through every newscast. Maybe I'm not sure that I think the Van Der Sloots were exemplary parents, with all the stories of Joran's arrogant bearing and his privileges in the news, but they are besieged in the worst possible way. Ham that I am, I'd still be running from those camera guys, too. "

Exerpt well worth READING.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
*bathroom WINDOW opps lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 20, 2005, 07:04:46 PM
Ok 2 things I am confused about - first of all since they never let any info about this case out at all - why and how did MSNBC report that Joran now says that he left her on the beach - I don't understand how we can honestly say we know anything that any of them are saying!

Also where is this unconfirmed report that someone tried to commit suicide no news outlet is reporting this at all - this is very very troubling to me - how and why do we think this is true?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:04:56 PM
:::just having revelation that if my post counter had not been re-set I would now be at 1200 posts::::
No wonder I have Carpal Tunnel, Scoliosis and Deep Vein Thrombosis.  :(

OK...so FOX still has nothing on the suicide attempt!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:05:33 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!

 :lol:  I probably would have left it UNLOCKED!! ROFLMAO


Yeah, except then as I'm driving down the road blotting the sweat off my brow some camera man from some station would pop out of my back seat and scare me so bad I'd pee my pants on national (or international) TV!!!!!   :lol:

I would have found a small bathroom and ran through alleys LMAO

:::poking head out of trashcan::: Pssttt are they gone?


lol... :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
*bathroom WINDOW opps lol


 :lol:  You're too funny CaliGirl !  :lol:

No news on Fox of the suicide attempt or the beach story *shrugs* I'm outty, BBL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 07:06:40 PM
Does anyone know of any Aruba based websites with blogs?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:07:07 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Ok 2 things I am confused about - first of all since they never let any info about this case out at all - why and how did MSNBC report that Joran now says that he left her on the beach - I don't understand how we can honestly say we know anything that any of them are saying!

Also where is this unconfirmed report that someone tried to commit suicide no news outlet is reporting this at all - this is very very troubling to me - how and why do we think this is true?

You are only confused about 2 things, lol!  I'm confused by it all!

1.  As far as we know MSNBC is the only MSM to report that.
2.  The suicide attempt was reported in a local newspaper, it has yet be be reported by American MSM.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Ok 2 things I am confused about - first of all since they never let any info about this case out at all - why and how did MSNBC report that Joran now says that he left her on the beach - I don't understand how we can honestly say we know anything that any of them are saying!

Also where is this unconfirmed report that someone tried to commit suicide no news outlet is reporting this at all - this is very very troubling to me - how and why do we think this is true?


Same way we all heard the King Pop prefers "Jesus Juice" to Pepsi..hearsay...rumors..people wanting 14:59 minutes of fame and craving one more second.. who knows.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:07:19 PM
Local aruban who posts here said she was hearing about the attempt.

It was also mentioned in an aruban newspaper that did not specify which of the three tried it but did use the work for YOUNG rather than just Man.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Ok 2 things I am confused about - first of all since they never let any info about this case out at all - why and how did MSNBC report that Joran now says that he left her on the beach - I don't understand how we can honestly say we know anything that any of them are saying!

Also where is this unconfirmed report that someone tried to commit suicide no news outlet is reporting this at all - this is very very troubling to me - how and why do we think this is true?


It is being reported in Aruba.  We believe that the US media is being very careful about what they report after the whole "confession" fiasco.  But the suicide attempt is being reported in Aruba.  MSM is probably waiting on complete confirmation before reporting it which we have seen with other things can take a while.


Title: age of majority
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 07:08:09 PM
last night we had a post leaving the impression that the age of majority in ariba for criminal maters is 21.  It is clear from the article I just translated that it is 18 so only Joran is a minor.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Even though I am not a PVDS fan, i wouldve ran like hell too...Good job posting that letter, caligirl..


Yes, while I found it funny and found Twitty's comments about it after very funny also, I promise you, I would have set a world record in that sprint and not taken so long to get the car door unlocked either!!!!!


What letter?  I've been so busy at work I've missed everything today.  Looks like quite a brouhaha....and everyone thought I was the cranky one!!!  Sheesh.

Somebody give me a quick update, please?

~Nancy


Nancy, go back to the middle of the last thread and pay attention to the translations of articles by iquitos and Bendex...of the three attempted suicide? in that translation...and that pretty much sets the stage


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: HannieC on June 20, 2005, 07:08:41 PM
Quote
Also where is this unconfirmed report that someone tried to commit suicide no news outlet is reporting this at all - this is very very troubling to me - how and why do we think this is true?



here is the article A2 ( blue piece) http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/20/A20.pdf


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:08:59 PM
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>



I could never ghost you!!!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:09:48 PM
CNN with report right now.  They're about to interview Beth Twitty.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:10:06 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


KERIN...what do you want...sheesh!!!!!!!!   :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
:::just having revelation that if my post counter had not been re-set I would now be at 1200 posts::::
No wonder I have Carpal Tunnel, Scoliosis and Deep Vein Thrombosis.  :(

OK...so FOX still has nothing on the suicide attempt!!


the missing boyscout...
and on dag / 95.1?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>



I could never ghost you!!!!!!!!!!


wow...Shell...I was scared! I was all alone.  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:10:55 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


BOO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:11:22 PM
BOO WHO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: monkeysMOO on June 20, 2005, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "monkeysMOO"
Quote from: "Rob"
so there is a missing man, a headless man and possibly another missing person, is that correct...?


Just to add a little more confusion, here's a quote from Riehl World View that states another murder is under investigation, in addition to the decapitated victim.  Also mentions a missing persons report... I'm not sure if the new missing person report filed today is the guy whose truck was found or someone different?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/aruba_decapitat.html

"A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time."


is there a chance, that all of this mayhem is interconnceted?


I've been wondering about that myself, but haven't been able to find enough credible, confirmed info to really form an opinion.  So far all I've seen is that authorities are denying a connection, but they would have every reason to do so, IMO.  To admit there is a connection would possibly compromise evidence, and go against Dutch law re: dealing with the press.  Such an admission could also tip off all the wrong people as to LE leads and the direction of the investigation.  Plus, IMO admitting a relationship between these instances would be an incredibly bad PR move, since it points to a conspiracy of traffickers as opposed to a date gone wrong.

All IMHO, of course!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:12:42 PM
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:


I leave for one minute and you guys are playing hide and seek???


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Where is Mike?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 07:14:25 PM
Gee her dad (step) really hates jorans dad.  It seems like he knows something.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Where is Mike?


Cali and I have reason to suspect he has a woman  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:


I leave for one minute and you guys are playing hide and seek???


We are running from the press...Cali is in the trash and I'm peeing my pants on camera.   :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Yeah, I tried to write her name down but I think I spelled it wrong..it's a version of Angelina Reppas..I know that for usre.

I was told she might be Deepak's boss?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Where is Mike?


Cali and I have reason to suspect he has a woman  :shock:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:


I leave for one minute and you guys are playing hide and seek???


We are running from the press...Cali is in the trash and I'm peeing my pants on camera.   :oops:


DF...I think this is about the fifth time you have peed your pants since I have known you. Depending on your age you either need Pampers or Depends  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Where is Mike?


Cali and I have reason to suspect he has a woman  :shock:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


OMG... I read that wrong the first time.  I thought it said you have reason to believe that he IS a woman, not HAS a woman.  That's why I was shocked 3 times...lol...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:



i misunderstand cali if u meant trashcan or trafikjam?
would you help me out?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Yeah, I tried to write her name down but I think I spelled it wrong..it's a version of Angelina Reppas..I know that for usre.

I was told she might be Deepak's boss?


that looks like very close to the name I saw last night (from the attic)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:17:45 PM
Quote
DF...I think this is about the fifth time you have peed your pants since I have known you. Depending on your age you either need Pampers or Depends


It's cause I sit on this computer all day and night and won't get up to go to the bathroom!!!!!


Title: No info that Joran is the one who attmpted suicide
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 07:17:50 PM
I find it amazing that MSM has not picked up the suicide story which has been in print in Bon Dia Aruba page 2 since this am in Aruba.  It is a one inch boxed story.  It says one of the suspects tried to commit suicide and is in depression.  It refers to the person as "joben"  (youth).  At least two are clearly youth, 17 and 18, and one is 21 which in my book is still youth (kid).  One is a legal minor.  Age is relative.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 07:18:09 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...did you see what I said? I went back to approx 2:36 am and tried to find the name you wanted. No luck...all I had was Mike yelling "WATCH FOX NOW" and FOM saying Mike was a lazy ass.  :?


Where is Mike?


Cali and I have reason to suspect he has a woman  :shock:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


OMG... I read that wrong the first time.  I thought it said you have reason to believe that he IS a woman, not HAS a woman.  That's why I was shocked 3 times...lol...


LMAO...I read it that way too :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:18:20 PM
LMAO FOM.. oh yeah.. I could never run away unseen here.. run to my car only to be caught in bumper to bumper lol


Title: Re: No info that Joran is the one who attmpted suicide
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:18:38 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
I find it amazing that MSM has not picked up the suicide story which has been in print in Bon Dia Aruba page 2 since this am in Aruba.  It is a one inch boxed story.  It says one of the suspects tried to commit suicide and is in depression.  It refers to the person as "joben"  (youth).  At least two are clearly youth, 17 and 18, and one is 21 which in my book is still youth (kid).  One is a legal minor.  Age is relative.

Me too!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...I GET IT!!! EVERYONE IS NOW GHOSTING ME.
(Bound to happen sooner or later...my own family has been ghosting me for years) <sniff>


:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:



i misunderstand cali if u meant trashcan or trafikjam?
would you help me out?


FOM...is this going to be another drinking night for you?  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote
DF...I think this is about the fifth time you have peed your pants since I have known you. Depending on your age you either need Pampers or Depends


It's cause I sit on this computer all day and night and won't get up to go to the bathroom!!!!!


Let's stop with all the PEE talk....now I have to go AGAIN!


Title: Re: No info that Joran is the one who attmpted suicide
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
I find it amazing that MSM has not picked up the suicide story which has been in print in Bon Dia Aruba page 2 since this am in Aruba.  It is a one inch boxed story.  It says one of the suspects tried to commit suicide and is in depression.  It refers to the person as "joben"  (youth).  At least two are clearly youth, 17 and 18, and one is 21 which in my book is still youth (kid).  One is a legal minor.  Age is relative.


Iquitos, do you think you should e-mail Tom or Red and have them change the story on Page 1?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:20:38 PM
Hi guys.

How is everyone?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Hi guys.

How is everyone?


Welcome back, Arubagirl...how are you today?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:21:26 PM
ARUBAGIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Hi guys.

How is everyone?


Hey Arubagirl!  Nice to see ya!

Have you heard anything about a suicide attempt??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mehill10 on June 20, 2005, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Hi guys.

How is everyone?

hello arubagirl


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:22:21 PM
SORRY  :oops: I messed the margins up


Title: Re: No info that Joran is the one who attmpted suicide
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
I find it amazing that MSM has not picked up the suicide story which has been in print in Bon Dia Aruba page 2 since this am in Aruba.  It is a one inch boxed story.  It says one of the suspects tried to commit suicide and is in depression.  It refers to the person as "joben"  (youth).  At least two are clearly youth, 17 and 18, and one is 21 which in my book is still youth (kid).  One is a legal minor.  Age is relative.


thanx again iquitos...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:22:44 PM
Arubagirl...how are you?   :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: HannieC on June 20, 2005, 07:22:59 PM
Quote
I find it amazing that MSM has not picked up the suicide story which has been in print in Bon Dia Aruba page 2 since this am in Aruba. It is a one inch boxed story. It says one of the suspects tried to commit suicide and is in depression. It refers to the person as "joben" (youth). At least two are clearly youth, 17 and 18, and one is 21 which in my book is still youth (kid). One is a legal minor. Age is relative


And if it is true then it must be joran, because Satish the younger brother is already transferred last friday to KIA, that leaves deepak and joran then, wich were transferred today to KIA according to the Dutch article.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 07:23:40 PM
Has anyone heard of a group of Texans going down to Aruba to help look for Natalee?

If so who is the group and when are they going?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klowe on June 20, 2005, 07:23:42 PM
Hi Arubagirl, welcome back!

Klowe


Quote from: "arubagirl"
Hi guys.

How is everyone?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:24:11 PM
I hadn't heard anything about the suicide watch on the radio. I didn't know about it until I got home and went online.

If he's in the main jail (KIA), I wouldn't be that surprised. That place is soulrobbing, I tell you.

Not that I've stayed in there, I just visited once for school. Just to clear it up.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:24:17 PM
I wish I could read that entire story.  I know just enough to get me in trouble.  Someone is dead in the boat picture on page one.  There are several stories about Nat.   On one of the back pages a long story about Steve and one article about police raiding illegal immigrants from venezuela and colombia.

At least I think my terrible spanish says thats what they were all about.  ;)


Title: Texans
Post by: unsurelok on June 20, 2005, 07:24:19 PM
I believe Natalee's uncle is from Texas -can anyone confirm?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Has anyone heard of a group of Texans going down to Aruba to help look for Natalee?

If so who is the group and when are they going?


Yes, Texas Equisearch....it is on their webpage and I think they leave today


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Hi guys.

How is everyone?

Hi Arubagirl,

We read in an Aruban paper this morning that one of the 3 suspects attempted suicide....have you read this also?  It has not been in our MSM at all yet.

Thanks...and it's great to see you! :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:24:50 PM
I saw an interview with an uncle who was making contact with a houston equine search team.  It would fit.


Title: Re: Texans
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: "unsurelok"
I believe Natalee's uncle is from Texas -can anyone confirm?


Yes...lives in Houston. He has been on the news here


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: monkeysMOO on June 20, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Has anyone heard of a group of Texans going down to Aruba to help look for Natalee?

If so who is the group and when are they going?


Maybe this is the group you're thinking about?

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:25:47 PM
I am bored. lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:25:52 PM
:::pops head out of trashcan and takes a banana peels off her head:::

Nooo Kerin.. I am still in the trashcan! No one told me if the coast is clear!   :shock:[/quote]


i misunderstand cali if u meant trashcan or trafikjam?
would you help me out?[/quote]

FOM...is this going to be another drinking night for you?  :lol:[/quote]

if i'm lucky
you bet  :!:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:26:23 PM
I didn't read that newspaper today. I would take it with a grain of salt, but then, I never head much faith in Aruban 'journalism' to begin with, so I may be biased.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: "monkeysMOO"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Has anyone heard of a group of Texans going down to Aruba to help look for Natalee?

If so who is the group and when are they going?


Maybe this is the group you're thinking about?

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


That's the group.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 07:26:36 PM
Hello all,  I am back......had to go fo my daily walk.

rushing through all the posts I missed I guess we have not heard anything new!!??!!

Also, to answer a question from thread #13....no I am not a male, I'm a little ol' girl from south Alabama (Troy).  And trust me, I am old than I just sounded.  DAG are my initials!

 :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:27:08 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I wish I could read that entire story.  I know just enough to get me in trouble.  Someone is dead in the boat picture on page one.  There are several stories about Nat.   On one of the back pages a long story about Steve and one article about police raiding illegal immigrants from venezuela and colombia.

At least I think my terrible spanish says thats what they were all about.  ;)


i also saw that... and then i went "hhhhmmmmmmmm"... 8)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:27:29 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
I didn't read that newspaper today. I would take it with a grain of salt, but then, I never head much faith in Aruban 'journalism' to begin with, so I may be biased.


hey! u have been missed!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 20, 2005, 07:27:41 PM
Caligirl - Hah yes that was silly of me to say I am only confused about 2 things - I am totally baffled by about 3 weeks worth of Aruba activity - those were the 2 that most recently have me confused!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:27:46 PM
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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:27:50 PM
Please people she is a little girl.  No one respond to her blog.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:28:22 PM
((((Arubagirl))))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=bloomsgurl2292

Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:28:52 PM
What Kerin read is more or less what I also read in Diario. Minus the suicide story.


Aww, thanks Friend of Monkeys!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:29:07 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Hello all,  I am back......had to go fo my daily walk.

rushing through all the posts I missed I guess we have not heard anything new!!??!!

Also, to answer a question from thread #13....no I am not a male, I'm a little ol' girl from south Alabama (Troy).  And trust me, I am old than I just sounded.  DAG are my initials!

 :D


ahh OK.  :)
I am a Troy grad


Title: Re: Translation of clevefan article in Dutch
Post by: BB on June 20, 2005, 07:30:10 PM
This story is from: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/article_13051.shtml

Quote from: "iquitos"
Clevefan:  Where did you get this?  

Bendex:  What is doodslag?  

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother.  According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that."  According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem.  Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
SORRY  :oops: I messed the margins up


mine a mess as well.
how to fix this please?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 20, 2005, 07:30:21 PM
Did anyone see Current Affair tonight??  I know I know...I just happened to catch it at 6 EST - they did a 1/2 hour show about Aruba - not very flattering - made it seem like NYC.  They talked about crack houses, legal prostitution, etc etc.  and the haves vs the have nots.   I have no issue with showing the those parts of the islands but they act like it's a shock.  When will some of the reporters understand that every place in the world has the same problems and not act  HORRIFIED that Aruba does too.  Ok...that is my two cents....back to reading.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Did anyone see Current Affair tonight??  I know I know...I just happened to catch it at 6 EST - they did a 1/2 hour show about Aruba - not very flattering - made it seem like NYC.  They talked about crack houses, legal prostitution, etc etc.  and the haves vs the have nots.   I have no issue with showing the those parts of the islands but they act like it's a shock.  When will some of the reporters understand that every place in the world has the same problems and not act  HORRIFIED that Aruba does too.  Ok...that is my two cents....back to reading.


Good point!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
SORRY  :oops: I messed the margins up


mine a mess as well.
how to fix this please?


press F5 to refresh but it should fix when you go to next page FOM


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I wish I could read that entire story.  I know just enough to get me in trouble.  Someone is dead in the boat picture on page one.  There are several stories about Nat.   On one of the back pages a long story about Steve and one article about police raiding illegal immigrants from venezuela and colombia.

At least I think my terrible spanish says thats what they were all about.  ;)


no shit!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: esther on June 20, 2005, 07:33:24 PM
Hmmm... the guy who they found beheaded on a cementary is Dutch.. This is very weird,what is happening on Aruba..I am leaving wednesday to Aruba but to be honest I have a stomache!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:33:33 PM
Abt showing the seedier side of Aruba. I don't mind it that much, because it is a part of us.

As long as they realize that the drug addicts can be blown over with a shallow breath, and that the prostitution is very very curtailed it's all cool.


Title: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 07:33:33 PM
To WNO ARE YOU SPEEKING OF?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:33:38 PM
K it is down.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:33:46 PM
2 new Van Der Sloot RSS feeds up on the site. Lots of AP repetition in those though. Just has links to same stories on different papers.

There is a story link to the pictures on Natalees digital camera, and the photos as well. This is in the second column of stories.

http://www.i66.com


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:33:57 PM
"The case of Syria is serious"
wow, that Condi Rice is one silver tongued devil :evil:


Title: Texas Eqqu Search will be taking a team of searchers..
Post by: Robert J on June 20, 2005, 07:34:53 PM
UPDATE: Monday 20 June 2005

Texas Eqqu Search will be taking a team of searchers this week to Aruba to aid in the search of Natalee.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:34:54 PM
i am out of ice!!!!

but dag guy sswiches to soco so good
time to refresh  :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:35:26 PM
http://www.nbc30.com/news/4630843/detail.html

Photos from digital camera here.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 07:35:37 PM
Quote
Please people she is a little girl. No one respond to her blog.


Maybe the original poster could ask the mods to edit or delete the post?

In fact, it might be a good idea to pm each other links to blogs of minors for those who are doing the "friend tree" thing.

These are minor children, and this message board is publicly viewable, and not everybody who sees the links might have the same respect as you would wish people to have for your own child.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Please people she is a little girl. No one respond to her blog.


Maybe the original poster could ask the mods to edit or delete the post?

In fact, it might be a good idea to pm each other links to blogs of minors for those who are doing the "friend tree" thing.

These are minor children, and this message board is publicly viewable, and not everybody who sees the links might have the same respect as you would wish people to have for your own child.


Cali, can you delete and I will delete my reply?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "DAG"
Hello all,  I am back......had to go fo my daily walk.

rushing through all the posts I missed I guess we have not heard anything new!!??!!

Also, to answer a question from thread #13....no I am not a male, I'm a little ol' girl from south Alabama (Troy).  And trust me, I am old than I just sounded.  DAG are my initials!

 :D


ahh OK.  :)
I am a Troy grad


I'm from Troy and also a Trojan Grad......Hello fellow "Trojan"!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 20, 2005, 07:37:36 PM
I agree Arubagirl.  I have no issues with the report but the reporters all act shocked.  And not one of those things are not in any state in the US - I guess that was my point.  It just feels like they should be more careful - glass houses and all that.  But they are reporters...so what do I know???


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
I have no issue with showing the those parts of the islands but they act like it's a shock.  When will some of the reporters understand that every place in the world has the same problems and not act  HORRIFIED that Aruba does too.  Ok...that is my two cents....back to reading.


Not necessarily shocked, but it is disconcerting to some who haven't travelled as much as perhaps some of us here, and given all the tourism marketing that says Aruba is the safest place to vacation. I imagine some folks envision that with an expectation that might be slightly out of whack.  I think it was a Wall Street Journal article some years back that stated research saying the at least half of the American public has a tendency to respond to marketing and advertising "literally" rather than from a true sense of reality.  They also said in the same article that research has proved ads and newspaper articles on average are written at a 10th grade reading level :)  Makes us feel REAL smart, doesn't it :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Please people she is a little girl. No one respond to her blog.


Maybe the original poster could ask the mods to edit or delete the post?

In fact, it might be a good idea to pm each other links to blogs of minors for those who are doing the "friend tree" thing.

These are minor children, and this message board is publicly viewable, and not everybody who sees the links might have the same respect as you would wish people to have for your own child.


Yeah Ting true but they are viewable on the web, linked on websites and publicly available.

Therefore, I found nothing wrong with it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:39:02 PM
I only said that because we had some really mean people on earlier today.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:39:42 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Please people she is a little girl. No one respond to her blog.


Maybe the original poster could ask the mods to edit or delete the post?

In fact, it might be a good idea to pm each other links to blogs of minors for those who are doing the "friend tree" thing.

These are minor children, and this message board is publicly viewable, and not everybody who sees the links might have the same respect as you would wish people to have for your own child.


Cali, can you delete and I will delete my reply?


Yes Kerin. I will.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Please people she is a little girl. No one respond to her blog.


Maybe the original poster could ask the mods to edit or delete the post?

In fact, it might be a good idea to pm each other links to blogs of minors for those who are doing the "friend tree" thing.

These are minor children, and this message board is publicly viewable, and not everybody who sees the links might have the same respect as you would wish people to have for your own child.


Yeah Ting true but they are viewable on the web, linked on websites and publicly available.

Therefore, I found nothing wrong with it.


I am not sure it is our job here to police ourselves about linking to freely available content on the web.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Did anyone see Current Affair tonight??  I know I know...I just happened to catch it at 6 EST - they did a 1/2 hour show about Aruba - not very flattering - made it seem like NYC.  They talked about crack houses, legal prostitution, etc etc.  and the haves vs the have nots.   I have no issue with showing the those parts of the islands but they act like it's a shock.  When will some of the reporters understand that every place in the world has the same problems and not act  HORRIFIED that Aruba does too.  Ok...that is my two cents....back to reading.


I think you have an incorrect perception of New York City.  They have the lowest crime rate of any major city in America (and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:42:05 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4629811/detail.html

HOUSTON -- A group of local volunteers will join the search for a missing Alabama teen in Aruba, Local 2 reported Sunday.
 
Missing Teen's Uncle Asks Group To Search Aruba  
 
Paul Reynolds, Natalee Holloway's uncle who lives in Bacliff, has asked Texas Equusearch to help look for his niece, who has been missing for three weeks.

Texas Equusearch hopes to leave for the Caribbean Tuesday, but organizers said it depends on funding.

The volunteer search and rescue group plans to use sonar equipment and cadaver dogs to find the 18-year-old.

The group's founder, Tim Miller, said he is not optimistic about finding the teen alive.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:42:07 PM
all gone...no harm done


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I only said that because we had some really mean people on earlier today.


Define "mean". :)  I think you folks have an impression of "trolls" that perhaps isn't warranted in some cases - just because someone doesn't agree with a view doesn't make them a "troll" or "mean".  It just makes them interesting.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:43:19 PM
Well, to stop the arguement, I took it off.

Rob needs to edit his quote on the matter as it is the only link left.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:43:21 PM
Quote
(and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Aruba's advertised from their gov't crime rate overall is 3%?

With 1 homicide a year.

How is that higher than NYC?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 07:44:44 PM
Caligirl, I know, but this particular site I think gets quite a lot more traffic than most right now and while most people on here, even lurkers, are nice, we have also seen some that were not so nice, and those were just the ones who registered.

We cannot prevent misguided people from posting nasty things to the blogs of Aruba children, but whether they get those links here all located and formatted for them is something each of us can control.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:45:42 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Caligirl, I know, but this particular site I think gets quite a lot more traffic than most right now and while most people on here, even lurkers, are nice, we have also seen some that were not so nice, and those were just the ones who registered.

We cannot prevent misguided people from posting nasty things to the blogs of Aruba children, but whether they get those links here all located and formatted for them is something each of us can control.


IMO this is a bad precedent to set here.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 07:46:02 PM
U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be.......
NEED I SAY MORE?
When it's done I WILL BE THERE!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:46:19 PM
This one is a seventh grader--that is really young and none of us would want one of the hateful trolls that drop in to start posting ugly things on a child's website.

If they find it on their own, that is their problem.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Well, to stop the arguement, I took it off.

Rob needs to edit his quote on the matter as it is the only link left.






        so there is no point to try to find out
          wtf u all think is so funny???

can i get a p/m dushi????


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Caligirl, I know, but this particular site I think gets quite a lot more traffic than most right now and while most people on here, even lurkers, are nice, we have also seen some that were not so nice, and those were just the ones who registered.

We cannot prevent misguided people from posting nasty things to the blogs of Aruba children, but whether they get those links here all located and formatted for them is something each of us can control.


No Ting. You are correct in that. I can not control the evilness of epople and I am sure Valentijn received enough nasty mail himself.

I forgot there are not nice people always in here.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 20, 2005, 07:47:04 PM
CaliGirl: I have found it:

mustiquemama
ocation: Louisiana

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Deepak's boss said that VDS and the brothers were friends, per the CNN transcript on pg. 32:

Quote:
PENHAUL: He's internet-savvy and visited his friend and suspect Deepak Kalpoe at a Cyberzone cafe where Deepak worked.

ANGELINA REPPAS, CYBERZONE CAFE BOSS: He's a good friend of Deepak's. He comes on the internet after school sometimes.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
This one is a seventh grader--that is really young and none of us would want one of the hateful trolls that drop in to start posting ugly things on a child's website.

If they find it on their own, that is their problem.


Maybe her parents should raise her and not the scared monkeys forum.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 07:47:36 PM
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: "esther"
Hmmm... the guy who they found beheaded on a cementary is Dutch.. This is very weird,what is happening on Aruba..I am leaving wednesday to Aruba but to be honest I have a stomache!


<--is going on saturday.. i need a tums....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:48:19 PM
RB, you're very right.

A few years ago some tourists I talked to were shocked that we had a jail here.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
hey guys


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 07:49:10 PM
Arubagirl, that's probably the very first time today. :)  Thanks.


Title: Case status article for Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 07:49:13 PM
I found that the previously translated posted article came out of the Amigoe newspaper in Curacao.  

For the record, here it is again in Dutch and English

Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Drie weken na de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway ontbreekt van het meisje nog elk spoor. Wel heeft het Openbaar Ministerie inmiddels vier verdachten achter de tralies en worden continu getuigen gehoord en tips nagetrokken. De 26-jarige dj Steve Gregory Croes werd vanmorgen voorgeleid voor de rechter-commissaris. Zijn aanhouding is verlengd.
 
Paul van der Sloot, de vader van de 17-jarige verdachte Joran van der Sloot, werd zaterdagavond langdurig als getuige verhoord. De drie andere jonge verdachten in de Holloway-zaak zijn inmiddels overgebracht naar het huis van bewaring (KIA). De 19-jarige Satish Kalpoe werd al vrijdagavond overgebracht naar het KIA. Zijn oudere broer Deepak en Joran van de Sloot zijn vandaag overgebracht.
Van het KIA is bekend dat verdachten daar contact met elkaar kunnen hebben en zo hun verhaal op elkaar kunnen afstemmen. Volgens Papito Comenencia, woordvoerder van de politie, zal dit ook bij de Holloway-zaak gebeuren. Comenencia: “Ze gaan in KIA zeker met elkaar praten, daar krijgen we wel problemen mee.” Volgens Mariaine Croes, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie, hoeft de in bewaringstelling in KIA echter geen problemen op te leveren. Croes: “De minderjarige komt op de speciale afdeling voor minderjarigen, en ook de andere twee kunnen wel uit elkaar worden gehouden als dat moet.”
Freddie Maduro, directeur van het KIA, verklaarde desgevraagd dat alledrie de verdachten zullen worden opgesloten op de afdeling voor jeugdigen. Daarbij zullen ze zo worden geplaatst dat ze geen contact met elkaar kunnen hebben.
De 26-jarige Steve Croes werd vandaag voorgeleid aan de rechter-commissaris. Deze toetst of zijn aanhouding met acht dagen verlengd kan worden. Croes werd afgelopen vrijdag opgepakt bij zijn huis in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. Hij wordt verdacht van dezelfde zaken als de drie jongens: mede-pleging van moord, of mede-pleging van doodslag of opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving. Croes is dj bij feestboot de Tattoo.
Volgens Comenencia is Paul van der Sloot afgelopen weekeinde in totaal twee keer als getuige gehoord. Comenencia: “We horen de hele tijd getuigen, de hele tijd al. Dat iemand een getuige is betekent verder niet dat hij of zij ook verdacht wordt.”

 
Clevefan: Where did you get this?

Bendex: What is doodslag?

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother. According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that." According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem. Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."

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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?


I never saw bloodhounds but I did see some k-9's


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:49:24 PM
Hey Dash.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:49:29 PM
Hi dash.  How are you?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
(and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Aruba's advertised from their gov't crime rate overall is 3%?

With 1 homicide a year.

How is that higher than NYC?


Aruba, with a population of 71,566, had 4236 crimes in 2003

Sources: http://tinyurl.com/7hov5
http://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cbmg


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey guys


Hey Dash!!!!  How are you?!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I only said that because we had some really mean people on earlier today.


Define "mean". :)  I think you folks have an impression of "trolls" that perhaps isn't warranted in some cases - just because someone doesn't agree with a view doesn't make them a "troll" or "mean".  It just makes them interesting.


I think it was RPG who posted something on the troll page I found interesting. They said that people get mad because they come in the room and make a comment and that no one will respond to them and so they get mad and go OFF and are then classified as trolls. He went on to say that all the room regs (my words, not his) will only reply to the other "regs" posts.
My response to this is...
Of course I would respond to posts that I was already involved in first...that's the only way I can possibly keep up in this fast moving forum. I do try to speak to people coming in with questions as other people do as well. But when things are really moving and we have lots of news or hot points of discussion and a new poster comes in, it is impossible to stop and post the latest news updates for everyone entering. This is a forum for everyone to come in and post their views and opinions, of course...but I do think Tom and Red put another topic out there with news updates so that everyone (me and the newest newbie on the firum) can get updated and THEN come in the forum and jump right into the conversation at hand!
:::sitting back down now::::


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 07:50:19 PM
I'm good, how are yall?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:50:43 PM
Hey Dash!  How ya doin' today?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:50:43 PM
Hi Dash!!  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
(and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Aruba's advertised from their gov't crime rate overall is 3%?

With 1 homicide a year.

How is that higher than NYC?


Aruba, with a population of 71,566, had 4236 crimes in 2003

Sources: http://tinyurl.com/7hov5
http://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cbmg


UM K? how is that higher?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:50:57 PM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
CaliGirl: I have found it:

mustiquemama
ocation: Louisiana

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Deepak's boss said that VDS and the brothers were friends, per the CNN transcript on pg. 32:

Quote:
PENHAUL: He's internet-savvy and visited his friend and suspect Deepak Kalpoe at a Cyberzone cafe where Deepak worked.

ANGELINA REPPAS, CYBERZONE CAFE BOSS: He's a good friend of Deepak's. He comes on the internet after school sometimes.

:::THUD:::

Cancun!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

Hmm I got the spelling right..why can't I find nothing? lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:50:58 PM
11 crimes a DAY? Uhm, no. Just...no.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "sarah"
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?


I never saw bloodhounds but I did see some k-9's


These people made a point that bloodhounds and k-9's were different.  Bloodhounds have a much more sensitive nose.  I guess different dogs are trained for different things.  I believe they are trained to find a trail, not a person who has deceased.


Title: resp to da wench
Post by: martin connahey on June 20, 2005, 07:51:58 PM
da wench wrote:
Quote
I'm still thinking, if she is dead, that it was accidental.


Glad to see you've come around to agreeing that nh is at least possibly NOT a victim, unless you're referring to an "arranged accident," which I surmise you're not. Too much to drink, fell from the car,boat,stairs,whatever. That's an accident, and she'd be no one's "victim." So the folks in jail may indeed be covering up their roles in what THEY KNOW would look like a murder but was an accident. No killers, no victims, just as I've hypothesized all along.

I hope you don't get gang-posted for saying it like I did. Just hang in there kiddo and keep the faith.

--MC


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:52:04 PM
Quote from: "---"
I'm good, how are yall?


I'm fine.  You guys doing okay there?  keeping hope alive?!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey guys


Hi Dash!!!  How are things with you today??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?


i saw that also, however the days that have passed make that virtually impossible...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I only said that because we had some really mean people on earlier today.


Define "mean". :)  I think you folks have an impression of "trolls" that perhaps isn't warranted in some cases - just because someone doesn't agree with a view doesn't make them a "troll" or "mean".  It just makes them interesting.


I think it was RPG who posted something on the troll page I found interesting. They said that people get mad because they come in the room and make a comment and that no one will respond to them and so they get mad and go OFF and are then classified as trolls. He went on to say that all the room regs (my words, not his) will only reply to the other "regs" posts.
My response to this is...
Of course I would respond to posts that I was already involved in first...that's the only way I can possibly keep up in this fast moving forum. I do try to speak to people coming in with questions as other people do as well. But when things are really moving and we have lots of news or hot points of discussion and a new poster comes in, it is impossible to stop and post the latest news updates for everyone entering. This is a forum for everyone to come in and post their views and opinions, of course...but I do think Tom and Red put another topic out there with news updates so that everyone (me and the newest newbie on the firum) can get updated and THEN come in the forum and jump right into the conversation at hand!
:::sitting back down now::::


I speak to everyone..sometimes loudly but that is because when people are told nicely..hey one of Natalee's friends is in here.. please don't say such..I OFFER links tho their answers for cripes sake!

I do the same when they come in and bash Aruba.. that just makes me mad!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 07:53:12 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
(and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Aruba's advertised from their gov't crime rate overall is 3%?

With 1 homicide a year.

How is that higher than NYC?


Aruba, with a population of 71,566, had 4236 crimes in 2003

Sources: http://tinyurl.com/7hov5
http://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cbmg


UM K? how is that higher?


Umm.. k... did you look at the links??  :roll:  The crime rate per 100,000 people is 91% higher than NYC.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey guys


Welcome back, Dash


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...

URL REMOVED

Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


I wasn't going to publish the link to her blog, but since you did...

Natalie, Valentijn's girlfriend (from Kentucky), seems like such a sweet girl, and Valentijn sounds like a really great guy. If you read her blog, she mentions Joran a few times. Joran was dating her best friend, another girl in the 7th grade of Indian descent. The girl's mother found out about the relationship and made her stay home from school one day. When she came back to school, she was so upset she ran to the bathroom. Natalie mentions that everyone told her she should break it off with Joran, and Natalie agreed with them. At one point she mentions their relationship and says it's a long story that she will write about later, but she never does.

There is also another separate MSN website for Natalie and Valentijn, created by Valentijn, with over 200 pix, including many of Joran. They really seem like normal kids, great family, etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Catriana on June 20, 2005, 07:54:11 PM
Quote
Bio: hey every1!! im updatin this profile cuz it stunk!! i live n aruba n i go to The International School of Aruba (clever name aint it? lol) well im in da 7th grade n im 13 i hav da best boyfriend n da world!! his name is Valentijn n i am totally and completely in love w/ him :) he is da best thing in my life n he IS my life..i am da luckiest gurl 2 hav eva met a guy lyke him..and 2 hav my gurlz-Rika Liv Veru Alex Karla Val Sydney Humberly ChiChi Magali Patty Inez n Brittany..my guyz r VALENTIJN(my love!!) Daniel Jimmy Alex Greg Nick n i luv all my friends a ton!! :) of course i miss my peeps in ky..Mia Maddy Logan Max Abby Tina Mary Jetta Sarah Audrey Lori Brittany Alec Dylan Aaron Max B...well u get it..haha i miss my life in ky..but this new life in aruba is mor than i could've eva dreamed..its perfect...n i luv it! my broz r great..hans (11) n simon (4) n my mom is good 2..my dad is a pilot n he is gone a lot but he is da 1 who brot us 2 aruba so he luvs it juss as much as me!! well life is goin GREAT now! i hav my drama--my passion otha than valentijn..n my sports..well i think thaz it! i luv u all!! xoxo muahzz!!--


I have only ONE thing to say about that,  don't they teach SPELLING anywhere? OMG.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 07:54:17 PM
Hey Dash we have missed ya!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Professor on June 20, 2005, 07:54:30 PM
There has been a lot of talk, recently on this bulletin board about "keeping an open mind." While that seems entirely appropriate for the jury room, if we were empanelled with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence in a court of law, it is hardly an appropriate code of living.

Innocent until proven guilty sounds really nice, until you start applying it to the stranger who tries to lure children away from the playground with promises of candy. Prince until proven a pervert. Gentleman until proven a predator, is how it usually translates in real life. And, if poor Natalee had one flaw, it was that she worked so hard to keep "an open mind" about smiling strangers. Perhaps, if she didn't work so hard at keeping an open mind, we wouldn't all be looking for her, right now.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:54:54 PM
Hi Dash!

::waving also to lurkers and anyone who thinks we do not speak to them::::


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I only said that because we had some really mean people on earlier today.


Define "mean". :)  I think you folks have an impression of "trolls" that perhaps isn't warranted in some cases - just because someone doesn't agree with a view doesn't make them a "troll" or "mean".  It just makes them interesting.


I think it was RPG who posted something on the troll page I found interesting. They said that people get mad because they come in the room and make a comment and that no one will respond to them and so they get mad and go OFF and are then classified as trolls. He went on to say that all the room regs (my words, not his) will only reply to the other "regs" posts.
My response to this is...
Of course I would respond to posts that I was already involved in first...that's the only way I can possibly keep up in this fast moving forum. I do try to speak to people coming in with questions as other people do as well. But when things are really moving and we have lots of news or hot points of discussion and a new poster comes in, it is impossible to stop and post the latest news updates for everyone entering. This is a forum for everyone to come in and post their views and opinions, of course...but I do think Tom and Red put another topic out there with news updates so that everyone (me and the newest newbie on the firum) can get updated and THEN come in the forum and jump right into the conversation at hand!
:::sitting back down now::::


not to be rude, but i think he stated that he did nt want it brough up for discussion...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mehill10 on June 20, 2005, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?

  would have to be use quick  ie:if it rains will wash the scent away


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 07:55:25 PM
But you have to factor in that the number of people ON the island at any one time what?  double? its permanent population with all the tourists.

It is like taking the population of a theme park as zero when there are perhaps 30,000 people there on a given day.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 07:55:31 PM
Hey yall... please don't take a once supportive forum and turn it into a boxing ring for attacks on Aruba... it's a lovely place that honestly has a very low crime rate... Instead of pointing fingers and bickering, people should focus their energies into praying and hoping.  Positivity is VITAL in this situation!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey guys

Hey Dash..you're back...among friends...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 07:56:16 PM
Preach it, Cat.


Title: Newbie
Post by: GaPeach on June 20, 2005, 07:56:44 PM
Hey guys. I have been a lurker, on here and TripAdvisor's forum since Natalee disappeared. I have a 19 year old daughter, and I am devastated about Natalee's disappearance.  I have been glued to the boards and tv, hoping for a happy ending in all this.  It is so sad, and depressing, to see her mother on tv, hoping for answers, and getting nothing!!  It has been three weeks and her family is no closer to getting any closure than they were when it first happened.  I can't believe this. I feel so bad for this lovely girl.  Add me to the list of those praying and hoping for a happy ending to this, and that Natalee will be home with her loving family soon.

Thanks for all the information too. I finally got the nerve to join up! :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 07:56:46 PM
Dash--my hometown is having a fundraiser for Natalee's family and using white ribbons as a symbol of hope.  I know this is probably happening all over the country.  I just wanted to let you know that people everywhere are pulling for Natalee and for the whole Mountain Brook community.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
There has been a lot of talk, recently on this bulletin board about "keeping an open mind." While that seems entirely appropriate for the jury room, if we were empanelled with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence in a court of law, it is hardly an appropriate code of living.

Innocent until proven guilty sounds really nice, until you start applying it to the stranger who tries to lure children away from the playground with promises of candy. Prince until proven a pervert. Gentleman until proven a predator, is how it usually translates in real life. And, if poor Natalee had one flaw, it was that she worked so hard to keep "an open mind" about smiling strangers. Perhaps, if she didn't work so hard at keeping an open mind, we wouldn't all be looking for her, right now.


Well said!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:56:55 PM
link to valentijn taken down...
Quote


I wasn't going to publish the link to her blog, but since you did...

Natalie, Valentijn's girlfriend (from Kentucky), seems like such a sweet girl, and Valentijn sounds like a really great guy. If you read her blog, she mentions Joran a few times. Joran was dating her best friend, another girl in the 7th grade of Indian descent. The girl's mother found out about the relationship and made her stay home from school one day. When she came back to school, she was so upset she ran to the bathroom. Natalie mentions that everyone told her she should break it off with Joran, and Natalie agreed with them. At one point she mentions their relationship and says it's a long story that she will write about later, but she never does.

There is also another separate MSN website for Natalie and Valentijn, created by Valentijn, with over 200 pix, including many of Joran. They really seem like normal kids, great family, etc.


As I thought the samething but there are mean people who might post or email nasty things to her. I do think nice positive images are wonderful to see.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 07:57:07 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
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Bio: hey every1!! im updatin this profile cuz it stunk!! i live n aruba n i go to The International School of Aruba (clever name aint it? lol) well im in da 7th grade n im 13 i hav da best boyfriend n da world!! his name is Valentijn n i am totally and completely in love w/ him :) he is da best thing in my life n he IS my life..i am da luckiest gurl 2 hav eva met a guy lyke him..and 2 hav my gurlz-Rika Liv Veru Alex Karla Val Sydney Humberly ChiChi Magali Patty Inez n Brittany..my guyz r VALENTIJN(my love!!) Daniel Jimmy Alex Greg Nick n i luv all my friends a ton!! :) of course i miss my peeps in ky..Mia Maddy Logan Max Abby Tina Mary Jetta Sarah Audrey Lori Brittany Alec Dylan Aaron Max B...well u get it..haha i miss my life in ky..but this new life in aruba is mor than i could've eva dreamed..its perfect...n i luv it! my broz r great..hans (11) n simon (4) n my mom is good 2..my dad is a pilot n he is gone a lot but he is da 1 who brot us 2 aruba so he luvs it juss as much as me!! well life is goin GREAT now! i hav my drama--my passion otha than valentijn..n my sports..well i think thaz it! i luv u all!! xoxo muahzz!!--


I have only ONE thing to say about that,  don't they teach SPELLING anywhere? OMG.


LMAO...um, that's how the kids write online these days


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 07:57:24 PM
HI Dash  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
RB, you're very right.

good to see YOU back here also...was worried about you...


Title: Re: Newbie
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: "GaPeach"
Hey guys. I have been a lurker, on here and TripAdvisor's forum since Natalee disappeared. I have a 19 year old daughter, and I am devastated about Natalee's disappearance.  I have been glued to the boards and tv, hoping for a happy ending in all this.  It is so sad, and depressing, to see her mother on tv, hoping for answers, and getting nothing!!  It has been three weeks and her family is no closer to getting any closure than they were when it first happened.  I can't believe this. I feel so bad for this lovely girl.  Add me to the list of those praying and hoping for a happy ending to this, and that Natalee will be home with her loving family soon.

Thanks for all the information too. I finally got the nerve to join up! :)


Welcome to the zoo!!!!   :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mehill10 on June 20, 2005, 07:58:01 PM
dash can i ask a question  something i have not seen answered anywhere


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 07:58:09 PM
Hey Dash,

It's so great that you are out there setting the record STRAIGHT about Natalee and about the trip.

Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "Professor"
There has been a lot of talk, recently on this bulletin board about "keeping an open mind." While that seems entirely appropriate for the jury room, if we were empanelled with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence in a court of law, it is hardly an appropriate code of living.

Innocent until proven guilty sounds really nice, until you start applying it to the stranger who tries to lure children away from the playground with promises of candy. Prince until proven a pervert. Gentleman until proven a predator, is how it usually translates in real life. And, if poor Natalee had one flaw, it was that she worked so hard to keep "an open mind" about smiling strangers. Perhaps, if she didn't work so hard at keeping an open mind, we wouldn't all be looking for her, right now.


Well said!!

Regardless of anything, I at least remember these are someone children period.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "absolut"
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(and incidently, Aruba's crime rate is 91% higher than NYC, but far lower than DC or Miami).


Aruba's advertised from their gov't crime rate overall is 3%?

With 1 homicide a year.

How is that higher than NYC?


Aruba, with a population of 71,566, had 4236 crimes in 2003

Sources: http://tinyurl.com/7hov5
http://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cbmg


UM K? how is that higher?


Umm.. k... did you look at the links??  :roll:  The crime rate per 100,000 people is 91% higher than NYC.


Lets look at the flaws in this. 2 different law systems. What is the population on the island in the course of the year with tourist. Same with NY but the data bump would shed a far different light on aruba. Are there even misdemeanors in aruba? This is apples and oranges at best. And Aruba is still one of the safest place on earth just by the chances of coming up missing or dead there are almost nil. Safety rate of six sigma or better.


Title: Re: Newbie
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: "GaPeach"
Hey guys. I have been a lurker, on here and TripAdvisor's forum since Natalee disappeared. I have a 19 year old daughter, and I am devastated about Natalee's disappearance.  I have been glued to the boards and tv, hoping for a happy ending in all this.  It is so sad, and depressing, to see her mother on tv, hoping for answers, and getting nothing!!  It has been three weeks and her family is no closer to getting any closure than they were when it first happened.  I can't believe this. I feel so bad for this lovely girl.  Add me to the list of those praying and hoping for a happy ending to this, and that Natalee will be home with her loving family soon.

Thanks for all the information too. I finally got the nerve to join up! :)

 :D Welcome! :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 07:59:05 PM
i'm back!

so i found out valentijn's girlfriend (or possibly ex girlfriend) other screen name....

I agree Cat...Does anyone know how to spell anymore?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Dash--my hometown is having a fundraiser for Natalee's family and using white ribbons as a symbol of hope.  I know this is probably happening all over the country.  I just wanted to let you know that people everywhere are pulling for Natalee and for the whole Mountain Brook community.


Wow! That is so wonderful!  No, I hadnt heard about this happening anywhere!  That's truly amazing... thank you so much for acting in a positive manner to show your support and hope for Nat!  I can't thank you enough!


Title: rant, then I am out of here for a while.
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 08:00:19 PM
OK its a lost cause.
'
I give up.  Yes I am protective.  It is a seventh grader and the teacher in me is coming out.  That is a little child.  We had someone push one of our high school graduates to the edge today.

I am all for free speech, but I also believe in protecting children.

Plus, the person today almost sounded like a tabloid reporter.  Great to open a little one up to that.


Keep her site posted.  Go ahead.

What is wrong about adults showing some responsibility about kids.

As to the spelling--I can't spell, but also who knows if English is her first, second, third,  fourth, or fifth language.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:00:34 PM
I was wondering about the various activities as well, Dash. It's not something specific, I always am curious about what tourists do exactly while we're away toiling at our desk. :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:00:46 PM
"This is a forum for everyone to come in and post their views and opinions, of course...but I do think Tom and Red put another topic out there with news updates so that everyone (me and the newest newbie on the firum) can get updated and THEN come in the forum and jump right into the conversation at hand!"

Kerin, that's not what I read earlier.  I read where some folks who had some questions and perhaps views of their own were in effect persona non grata.  I find this all very interesting, because the very people who think those folks are "mean" or interrupting the flow of conversation are mostly speculating what happened - none of us really "knows" what happened when NH got in that car, and the only people who can vouch for her reputation are the students who knew her ( re: our resident "celebrity" if you will, who had enough guts to be interviewed by MSM - at least she's standing up and being counted for something real,  and I say bravo to her.)

I didn't know Natalee and I feel very badly for her family and friends in this situation. However, I am in the quite fortunate position to not confuse my emotion with logic and fact.  Therefore, views counter to mine don't bother me - I look at them as an opportunity to learn, and be certain there isn't something I missed. Perhaps considering that approach might be better served to helping understand this situation and its effect on all of us.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "Professor"
There has been a lot of talk, recently on this bulletin board about "keeping an open mind." While that seems entirely appropriate for the jury room, if we were empanelled with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence in a court of law, it is hardly an appropriate code of living.

Innocent until proven guilty sounds really nice, until you start applying it to the stranger who tries to lure children away from the playground with promises of candy. Prince until proven a pervert. Gentleman until proven a predator, is how it usually translates in real life. And, if poor Natalee had one flaw, it was that she worked so hard to keep "an open mind" about smiling strangers. Perhaps, if she didn't work so hard at keeping an open mind, we wouldn't all be looking for her, right now.


Well said!!

Regardless of anything, I at least remember these are someone children period.


I remember also!  It's just that the world is so hard and mean now its scary teaching children growing up to be nice and trusting at the same. time.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 08:00:52 PM
wut u dnt undstnd dis? lmao

Sorry had too!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "Professor"
There has been a lot of talk, recently on this bulletin board about "keeping an open mind." While that seems entirely appropriate for the jury room, if we were empanelled with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence in a court of law, it is hardly an appropriate code of living.

Innocent until proven guilty sounds really nice, until you start applying it to the stranger who tries to lure children away from the playground with promises of candy. Prince until proven a pervert. Gentleman until proven a predator, is how it usually translates in real life. And, if poor Natalee had one flaw, it was that she worked so hard to keep "an open mind" about smiling strangers. Perhaps, if she didn't work so hard at keeping an open mind, we wouldn't all be looking for her, right now.


Well said!!

Regardless of anything, I at least remember these are someone children period.


I remember also!  It's just that the world is so hard and mean now its scary teaching children growing up to be nice and trusting at the same. time.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
But you have to factor in that the number of people ON the island at any one time what?  double? its permanent population with all the tourists.

It is like taking the population of a theme park as zero when there are perhaps 30,000 people there on a given day.


You're right that it makes it hard to compare.  Of course, New York has millions of people who work in the city who don't live there, as well as millions of tourists a day.  But then, tourists generally don't commit many crimes, so it brings you back to the overall population.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2005, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
link to valentijn taken down...


I wasn't going to publish the link to her blog, but since you did...

Natalie, Valentijn's girlfriend (from Kentucky), seems like such a sweet girl, and Valentijn sounds like a really great guy. If you read her blog, she mentions Joran a few times. Joran was dating her best friend, another girl in the 7th grade of Indian descent. The girl's mother found out about the relationship and made her stay home from school one day. When she came back to school, she was so upset she ran to the bathroom. Natalie mentions that everyone told her she should break it off with Joran, and Natalie agreed with them. At one point she mentions their relationship and says it's a long story that she will write about later, but she never does.

There is also another separate MSN website for Natalie and Valentijn, created by Valentijn, with over 200 pix, including many of Joran. They really seem like normal kids, great family, etc.[/quote]

As I thought the samething but there are mean people who might post or email nasty things to her. I do think nice positive images are wonderful to see.[/quote]

cali i clicked the link you provided and saw links to all of her other friends. i notice that valentijns link is not highlighted..every other link you could click...


Title: Re: rant, then I am out of here for a while.
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
OK its a lost cause.
'
I give up.  Yes I am protective.  It is a seventh grader and the teacher in me is coming out.  That is a little child.  We had someon push one of our high school graduates to the edge today.

I am all for free speech, but I also believe in protecting children.

Plus, the person today almost sounded like a tabloit reporter.  Great to open a little one up to that.


Keep her site posted.  Go ahead.

What is wrong about adults showing some responsibility about kids.

As to the spelling--I can't spell, but also who knows if English is her first, second, third,  fourth, or fifth language.


Again, the misspellings are intentional.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:01:40 PM
Quote from: "mehill10"
dash can i ask a question  something i have not seen answered anywhere


Sure... you can ask here or PM me to avoid risk of having it drown among the 900000000 posts! haha


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: "wvlady"
i'm back!

so i found out valentijn's girlfriend (or possibly ex girlfriend) other screen name....

I agree Cat...Does anyone know how to spell anymore?


sometimes??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 08:02:06 PM
Personally, I don't have a problem with "innocent until proven guilty" as principles of legal systems go.

In fact, I think I can unhesitatingly state that if I were accused of a crime, and given a choice of venue, one where I would be presumed innocent until proven guilty, or one where I would be presumed guilty and bear the burden of proving my innocence, I would take door number two.

Of course, many people might prefer to be presumed guilty, and I mean no disrespect to them.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 08:03:26 PM
i meant the younger people and their spelling.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: "RB"
"This is a forum for everyone to come in and post their views and opinions, of course...but I do think Tom and Red put another topic out there with news updates so that everyone (me and the newest newbie on the firum) can get updated and THEN come in the forum and jump right into the conversation at hand!"

Kerin, that's not what I read earlier.  I read where some folks who had some questions and perhaps views of their own were in effect persona non grata.  I find this all very interesting, because the very people who think those folks are "mean" or interrupting the flow of conversation are mostly speculating what happened - none of us really "knows" what happened when NH got in that car, and the only people who can vouch for her reputation are the students who knew her ( re: our resident "celebrity" if you will, who had enough guts to be interviewed by MSM - at least she's standing up and being counted for something real,  and I say bravo to her.)

I didn't know Natalee and I feel very badly for her family and friends in this situation. However, I am in the quite fortunate position to not confuse my emotion with logic and fact.  Therefore, views counter to mine don't bother me - I look at them as an opportunity to learn, and be certain there isn't something I missed. Perhaps considering that approach might be better served to helping understand this situation and its effect on all of us.


I think we are talking about 2 different posts...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:03:37 PM
I know those comments upset me (or e-mails in my case), so the young girl will be freaked out, I'm guessing.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:04:03 PM
BTW, I'm certainly not bashing Aruba.  It is one of the safest islands and safer than many US cities.  However, saying it has "zero crime" isn't reality.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klowe on June 20, 2005, 08:04:16 PM
I don't see a problem with her spelling, she is just using a lot of slang and popular chat/text message type shorthand.  


Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote
Bio: hey every1!! im updatin this profile cuz it I have only ONE thing to say about that,  don't they teach SPELLING anywhere? OMG.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 08:04:29 PM
Dash -- in case you missed this:

Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Hey Dash,

It's so great that you are out there setting the record STRAIGHT about Natalee and about the trip.

Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Hey Dash,

It's so great that you are out there setting the record STRAIGHT about Natalee and about the trip.

Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do?


We were only there for four days... the first day we were all jet-lagged and exhausted, so mainly we just put on our swim suits and laid out...
Snorkeling took up a whole day (but it was SOOOO great! We got to see a sunken German War Ship from WWII and heard stories about it... cool stuff!)  Some people went banana boating and windsurfing.... I got a massage! haha.... Mainly we just hung out on the beach and went swimming.  Our hotel was wonderful! (and all-inclusive!!!)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: HannieC on June 20, 2005, 08:06:44 PM
G`night all, i`m going to try to get some sleep, i`m glued on my seat,
maybe it sticks and I sleep with it :roll:

See you later all :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
I know Im jumping in, in the middle but any confirm about the supposed "suicide" attempt and who it wassupposed to have been? or all still spec?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:07:09 PM
Thanks Dash, and you can disregard my PM as you've answered my question already.

Mmmm, the beach. How long has it been since I've gone swimming?  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:07:32 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
G`night all, i`m going to try to get some sleep, i`m glued on my seat,
maybe it sticks and I sleep with it :roll:

See you later all :wink:


Night!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
G`night all, i`m going to try to get some sleep, i`m glued on my seat,
maybe it sticks and I sleep with it :roll:

See you later all :wink:


haha! Night!
God Bless!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:08:58 PM
I agree with Detective on the "zero crime" being a myth. However, crime against tourists is rare.

I still find those numbers a bit high, but anyway.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Thanks Dash, and you can disregard my PM as you've answered my question already.

Mmmm, the beach. How long has it been since I've gone swimming?  :shock:


way too long!!! Rob will be on the beach soon...
We could probably all use a little sunshine


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Catriana on June 20, 2005, 08:10:42 PM
Well, that spelling might be "internet slang" or whatever, but it sure makes one wonder IF they know the correct spelling of the words.  :)

I believe that young lady said she was from Kentucky.  Not sure, but I believe they speak english in Kentucky.    Anyone from Kentucky, please correct me if I am wrong.

 :) :) :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:10:49 PM
"some posters seem to only respond to certain other posters as if this is a type of social club rather than a forum open to any and all ideas that could help case. I have seen what I would consider somewhat personal attacks on posters that were only expressing their opinions, popular or not. (You know what they say about opinions),I have noticed questions or opinions (especially by new posters) that were totally ignored seemingly because they were new to the forum."

this is part of what I was replying to, RB


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wismom on June 20, 2005, 08:11:23 PM
Good Evening Everyone, haven't posted much, but have been reading everyday.  Just a thought, could there be another reason it was reported
that there was a suicide attempt today? Perhaps as a way to swing sympathy toward Joran in the event, God forbid, something bad has happened to Natalee. Maybe there was no suicide attempt therefore MSM
doesn't have info.  Just a thought.  Praying for a Miracle.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Hey Dash,

It's so great that you are out there setting the record STRAIGHT about Natalee and about the trip.

Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do?


We were only there for four days... the first day we were all jet-lagged and exhausted, so mainly we just put on our swim suits and laid out...
Snorkeling took up a whole day (but it was SOOOO great! We got to see a sunken German War Ship from WWII and heard stories about it... cool stuff!)  Some people went banana boating and windsurfing.... I got a massage! haha.... Mainly we just hung out on the beach and went swimming.  Our hotel was wonderful! (and all-inclusive!!!)


Thanks. It sounds like y'all had a great time. I truly hope Natalee is found alive so your memories of this wonderful trip won't always be tainted.

BTW, are you going to college and what do you plan to study? You don't have to answer if that's too personal, of course.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
I know Im jumping in, in the middle but any confirm about the supposed "suicide" attempt and who it wassupposed to have been? or all still spec?

No confirmation on who and the only reference is one Aruban newspaper, nothing else yet.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:12:10 PM
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:12:18 PM
At this point, Joran has little to no sympathy. Besides, it's not as if there is a potential jury out there that he could influence.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:12:37 PM
Noted, Kerin.  


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: "wismom"
Good Evening Everyone, haven't posted much, but have been reading everyday.  Just a thought, could there be another reason it was reported
that there was a suicide attempt today? Perhaps as a way to swing sympathy toward Joran in the event, God forbid, something bad has happened to Natalee. Maybe there was no suicide attempt therefore MSM
doesn't have info.  Just a thought.  Praying for a Miracle.


Sympathy from Arubians and the Dutch?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 08:12:48 PM
Quote
I know those comments upset me (or e-mails in my case), so the young girl will be freaked out, I'm guessing


arubagirl, I am sorry to say that she will probably not be the only child in Aruba who will get some disturbing messages.

There are good Americans on the internet, and there are some who have ways of expressing their culture that are not so good. It is not your fault.

Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: "---"
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


Good luck with the interview, Dash!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "gaijin"
I know Im jumping in, in the middle but any confirm about the supposed "suicide" attempt and who it wassupposed to have been? or all still spec?

No confirmation on who and the only reference is one Aruban newspaper, nothing else yet.


Thank  you..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: "---"
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


Is it with Greta?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:13:56 PM
Quote from: "wismom"
Good Evening Everyone, haven't posted much, but have been reading everyday.  Just a thought, could there be another reason it was reported
that there was a suicide attempt today? Perhaps as a way to swing sympathy toward Joran in the event, God forbid, something bad has happened to Natalee. Maybe there was no suicide attempt therefore MSM
doesn't have info.  Just a thought.  Praying for a Miracle.


There is really no telling what is going on down there.  We just do our best to figure it out.  I can see your point about a ploy for a sympathy shift, but it really hasn't been reported that it is for sure Joran and I think that as many people that would then have sympathy for him would also think it a sign of his guilt, so I'm not sure that would work.  And I'm praying for that miracel too!!!


Title: kid's blog
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...



Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


Just as we are protective of the MB people despite serious misgivings, this should be taken off this blog.  this is a child.  we should leave her  her alone.  she has nothing to do with this.  never heard of puppy love?  Cali: We have seen it.  good catch.  now, can you delete it?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Hey Dash,

It's so great that you are out there setting the record STRAIGHT about Natalee and about the trip.

Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do?


We were only there for four days... the first day we were all jet-lagged and exhausted, so mainly we just put on our swim suits and laid out...
Snorkeling took up a whole day (but it was SOOOO great! We got to see a sunken German War Ship from WWII and heard stories about it... cool stuff!)  Some people went banana boating and windsurfing.... I got a massage! haha.... Mainly we just hung out on the beach and went swimming.  Our hotel was wonderful! (and all-inclusive!!!)


Thanks. It sounds like y'all had a great time. I truly hope Natalee is found alive so your memories of this wonderful trip won't always be tainted.

BTW, are you going to college and what do you plan to study? You don't have to answer if that's too personal, of course.



I honestly believe that Nat is alive and out there somewhere... we just have to find her!  Thanks again for your support!

I got a full-scholarship to UAB, so I'm gonna go there for a little bit, but then I think I'll transfer to Auburn.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:14:21 PM
There is no sympathy. I'm not sure that everyone believes the suicide story in the first place.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mehill10 on June 20, 2005, 08:14:24 PM
dash check your in box please


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Catriana on June 20, 2005, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
"some posters seem to only respond to certain other posters as if this is a type of social club rather than a forum open to any and all ideas that could help case. I have seen what I would consider somewhat personal attacks on posters that were only expressing their opinions, popular or not. (You know what they say about opinions),I have noticed questions or opinions (especially by new posters) that were totally ignored seemingly because they were new to the forum."

this is part of what I was replying to, RB


I don't believe that posters ignore any poster just because they are new.  I think people tend to reply to what they have a response for.  I've written notes that have had absolutely no response.  I don't take it personally, I figure that whatever I said, everyone must have agreed with it.  :)

My view of personal attacks is, people do this when they don't have any valid argument against what the person they are attacking is saying.

I also notice, that it is difficult to keep up with every post and what every one is saying, thus I am sure that some posts just get "missed".

Bottom line, people have a tendency to read too much into things.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:15:04 PM
Quote from: "---"
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


What interview is this Dash (if you aren't already gone?)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 08:15:09 PM
lots of love and strength sent your way for the interview Dash.


Title: Re: kid's blog
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...

URL REMOVED

Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


Just as we are protective of the MB people despite serious misgivings, this should be taken off this blog.  this is a child.  we should leave her  her alone.  she has nothing to do with this.  never heard of puppy love?  Cali: We have seen it.  good catch.  now, can you delete it?


Agreed. She has nothing to do with it, and she's 13! She needs to be left alone.


Title: Re: kid's blog
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:15:38 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...

URL REMOVED

Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


Just as we are protective of the MB people despite serious misgivings, this should be taken off this blog.  this is a child.  we should leave her  her alone.  she has nothing to do with this.  never heard of puppy love?  Cali: We have seen it.  good catch.  now, can you delete it?


TING,

This CANNOT be policed this way. There are too many people and too many post.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 08:15:52 PM
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:16:05 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
"some posters seem to only respond to certain other posters as if this is a type of social club rather than a forum open to any and all ideas that could help case. I have seen what I would consider somewhat personal attacks on posters that were only expressing their opinions, popular or not. (You know what they say about opinions),I have noticed questions or opinions (especially by new posters) that were totally ignored seemingly because they were new to the forum."

this is part of what I was replying to, RB


I don't believe that posters ignore any poster just because they are new.  I think people tend to reply to what they have a response for.  I've written notes that have had absolutely no response.  I don't take it personally, I figure that whatever I said, everyone must have agreed with it.  :)

My view of personal attacks is, people do this when they don't have any valid argument against what the person they are attacking is saying.

I also notice, that it is difficult to keep up with every post and what every one is saying, thus I am sure that some posts just get "missed".

Bottom line, people have a tendency to read too much into things.


So, Cat, lack of response means implied acceptance? :)  Sure you're not CIA?


Title: Re: kid's blog
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I am bored. lol

Here's Joran's brother, Valentijn's girlfriend's blog...



Here you go Kerin! Some more searching, friend tree hoping fun! lol


link to valentijn taken down...


Just as we are protective of the MB people despite serious misgivings, this should be taken off this blog.  this is a child.  we should leave her  her alone.  she has nothing to do with this.  never heard of puppy love?  Cali: We have seen it.  good catch.  now, can you delete it?


Iquitos...Cali and I deleted immediately. ROB still needs to. Plus now everyone else (like you) who is copying in the forum.  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


Is it with Greta?


Yep! She's the only one I'm willing to speak with...  the pre-interview consisted only of questions relating to how we are all coping with this... I plan to mantion and thank all of you (collectively, of course for time reasons! :)  )


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klowe on June 20, 2005, 08:17:00 PM
Yes, I noticed also that she is originally from Kentucy, but i read the whole thing and all the words that looked incorrectly spelled were intentionally done, there was even a cereal box, can't remember which one, that had the whole back of the box devoted to testing kids text messaging skills.  It is common for them to shorten words where they can and also look cool i guess.   Especially putting #'s to take the place of words to save space and time.   No offense,  I just wanted to point that out.  

Klowe


Quote from: "Catriana"
Well, that spelling might be "internet slang" or whatever, but it sure makes one wonder IF they know the correct spelling of the words.  :)

I believe that young lady said she was from Kentucky.  Not sure, but I believe they speak english in Kentucky.    Anyone from Kentucky, please correct me if I am wrong.

 :) :) :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:17:05 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


Why even bring this up?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote
Bio: hey every1!! im updatin this profile cuz it stunk!! i live n aruba n i go to The International School of Aruba (clever name aint it? lol) well im in da 7th grade n im 13 i hav da best boyfriend n da world!! his name is Valentijn n i am totally and completely in love w/ him :) he is da best thing in my life n he IS my life..i am da luckiest gurl 2 hav eva met a guy lyke him..and 2 hav my gurlz-Rika Liv Veru Alex Karla Val Sydney Humberly ChiChi Magali Patty Inez n Brittany..my guyz r VALENTIJN(my love!!) Daniel Jimmy Alex Greg Nick n i luv all my friends a ton!! :) of course i miss my peeps in ky..Mia Maddy Logan Max Abby Tina Mary Jetta Sarah Audrey Lori Brittany Alec Dylan Aaron Max B...well u get it..haha i miss my life in ky..but this new life in aruba is mor than i could've eva dreamed..its perfect...n i luv it! my broz r great..hans (11) n simon (4) n my mom is good 2..my dad is a pilot n he is gone a lot but he is da 1 who brot us 2 aruba so he luvs it juss as much as me!! well life is goin GREAT now! i hav my drama--my passion otha than valentijn..n my sports..well i think thaz it! i luv u all!! xoxo muahzz!!--


I have only ONE thing to say about that,  don't they teach SPELLING anywhere? OMG.


LMAO...um, that's how the kids write online these days


Is this not how they spell on mtv too.  this is the crap the us exports via its popular culture.  our kids are exposed to the same stuff.  I really think this does not belong here.  it has nothing to do with the case and is an invasion of privacy.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 08:18:15 PM
Hello all!  And hello Ga peach - I've been lurking here for several days  too!  This is my first post too. Been speed reading my a$$ off thru Rumors 11, 12 & 13 - had to skip alot.  Great board guys!   Appreciate the info that has not yet been reported on Fox, etc.

Has anyone heard from DJTaylor from Aruba - baby due in days-- or Native lingo also from Aruba?


Title: News report
Post by: goddess12 on June 20, 2005, 08:18:27 PM
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


No clue! But know these rumors are totally unfounded! (They are made up by people who feel it's easier to spread lies than believe that bad things really can and do happen to good people.... they choose to further antagonize the situation rather than search for truth!)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 08:18:37 PM
In the states websites have to comply with the law and children can only participate with parent's permission.  I am not sure at all if that is an international law?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:18:46 PM
The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E

Amen, Mary and the Saints preserve us.  :D


Title: News report
Post by: goddess12 on June 20, 2005, 08:19:18 PM
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Hello all!  And hello Ga peach - I've been lurking here for several days  too!  This is my first post too. Been speed reading my a$$ off thru Rumors 11, 12 & 13 - had to skip alot.  Great board guys!   Appreciate the info that has not yet been reported on Fox, etc.

Has anyone heard from DJTaylor from Aruba - baby due in days-- or Native lingo also from Aruba?


Welcome!!   :D   Don't ever be afraid to jump right in!!


Title: Thoughts and some questions on this case
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 08:19:43 PM
If the suicide attempt is true, and the referred to youth is Joran, it leads me to believe he would rather die than to rat out his father who helped him in trying to conceal her death.

What could Joran be found guilty of, under Aruban law, if he were to confess to giving Natalee ecstasy, roofies or GHB, which caused an overdose leading to her death?

Based on all credible reports, she was a wholesome, rather naive, but very smart girl who never had a serious boyfriend, and was not regarded as 'a partier' back home.

With that in mind, I've formulated a number of questions surrounding that night that I've yet to see an answer to:

Has it ever been reported WHAT Natalee had to drink that night in Carlos & Charlie's?  

For one who rarely, if ever, drinks, you can easily get drunk on sweet mixed drinks filled in those long plastic yards at C&C's.  Natalee, at 110 lbs., would blow a .25 BAC (3x the legal limit) on just two of those.

Who bought the drinks Natalee drank?  Joran was seen dancing at C&C's with Natalee.  How were they dancing, and to what music?  Did Joran pay for her drinks?  If so, did he pay in cash, or does he have his father's credit card?  Is there a record of which bartender served the drinks she had?

Was Natalee at the bar when her drinks were ordered, or was she on the dance floor, or in the bathroom, and then was handed the drinks by Joran, or another friend?

Have any friends disclosed whether Natalee had lost her virginity prior to this trip?

Do her friends consider her knowledgable about drugs?  Was she familiar with the effects of ecstasy?  Did she ever express curiosity to try it?

Are there video cameras or Live Cams inside C&C's?

What did Natalee have for dinner that night, before going to C&C's, and did she eat anything while she was there?

Did Natalee go to C&C's with Joran, or did they meet up there?

What was the shoving match between Joran and Natalee's classmates about?

It was reported by a male classmate, that all of the kids, Natalee included, were "drinking responsibly".

However, you wouldn't ask someone in a bar if they're alright, unless you had reason to believe they weren't.

I saw a post earlier indicate that it was reported that Natalee was seen hollering 'Yeah Aruba!' to other kids in a taxi as she was leaving C&C's in Deepak's car.

Who reported this?

I think that's enough for now...

Many thanks to those in AUA for sharing your insights with everyone.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote
Bio: hey every1!! im updatin this profile cuz it stunk!! i live n aruba n i go to The International School of Aruba (clever name aint it? lol) well im in da 7th grade n im 13 i hav da best boyfriend n da world!! his name is Valentijn n i am totally and completely in love w/ him :) he is da best thing in my life n he IS my life..i am da luckiest gurl 2 hav eva met a guy lyke him..and 2 hav my gurlz-Rika Liv Veru Alex Karla Val Sydney Humberly ChiChi Magali Patty Inez n Brittany..my guyz r VALENTIJN(my love!!) Daniel Jimmy Alex Greg Nick n i luv all my friends a ton!! :) of course i miss my peeps in ky..Mia Maddy Logan Max Abby Tina Mary Jetta Sarah Audrey Lori Brittany Alec Dylan Aaron Max B...well u get it..haha i miss my life in ky..but this new life in aruba is mor than i could've eva dreamed..its perfect...n i luv it! my broz r great..hans (11) n simon (4) n my mom is good 2..my dad is a pilot n he is gone a lot but he is da 1 who brot us 2 aruba so he luvs it juss as much as me!! well life is goin GREAT now! i hav my drama--my passion otha than valentijn..n my sports..well i think thaz it! i luv u all!! xoxo muahzz!!--


I have only ONE thing to say about that,  don't they teach SPELLING anywhere? OMG.


LMAO...um, that's how the kids write online these days


Is this not how they spell on mtv too.  this is the crap the us exports via its popular culture.  our kids are exposed to the same stuff.  I really think this does not belong here.  it has nothing to do with the case and is an invasion of privacy.


Nope it is not an invasion of privacy. I believe the accept age on Livejournal is 13. Check box here. Move on.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


No clue! But know these rumors are totally unfounded! (They are made up by people who feel it's easier to spread lies than believe that bad things really can and do happen to good people.... they choose to further antagonize the situation rather than search for truth!)


Yeah...she's never run away before, and where would she get $2,000? THat's a lot of money...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wismom on June 20, 2005, 08:21:09 PM
Sympathy could be from Americans, Natalees family, Aruba or those that
are more involved.  Every one is at a boiling point right now.  I don't have
sympathy for those that are putting Natalees family through this right now, it would seem though that some have tried everything to stay away
from the truth.  This report could act as a temporary diversion and perhaps
make everyone take a deep breath for a minute.  I know it hasn't been confirmed that is was Joran, but most here had that first impression and
everyone felt bad that things would get to that point. Still praying for a miracle.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


Foxnews with Bill O did not report this.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 08:21:17 PM
Quote
I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure. Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


Actually, RB, I think that kids should have blogs without photos or any kind of real life contact info. They can make get to know people and chat just fine without it, just as many of us here do.

absolut, it is not up to me to do any policing. That is up to the site administrators. My remarks were directed only to those posters who would not want their own actions to result, even indirectly in harming a child.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


It only takes one person to make up a story, but if it's repeated enough, people start to believe it (see Rove, Karl).  The ATM story is bs.  Her mother found extra cash in her bag in the room (I do stand corrected on the fact that she apparently *was* wearing a denim skirt that night, though).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
In the states websites have to comply with the law and children can only participate with parent's permission.  I am not sure at all if that is an international law?

I'm not sure how true that is.  I'm sure all you need to do is say you are 18 and put in false information.  There's no way to prove age.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Ok... well I just dropped in to check up.  I have another (and hopefully final!) interview tonight... I have to leave in like, 20 minutes and I'm in jeans, a T-shirt, no makeup and a ponytail... haha

I'll talk to yall later!

Thank you all again soooo much for all the support and love you've sent to Nat!  You're positive energy is SO helpful right now!  Don't lose hope and keep praying!

God Bless!


Is it with Greta?


Yep! She's the only one I'm willing to speak with...  the pre-interview consisted only of questions relating to how we are all coping with this... I plan to mantion and thank all of you (collectively, of course for time reasons! :)  )


Awesome!!  You'll do great!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


no doubt about it guys

i know i have been quiet...
trying to catch me up


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:23:37 PM
Scott, I think they can get manslaughter. Don't ask me the sentence though, have no idea.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:25:27 PM
From Livejournal T&C

YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS
Account registration and verification is required in order to create a LiveJournal.com account. During registration, all users are required to provide accurate, complete and current information about themselves in all required fields. Should any of your own information change after submitting it to LiveJournal, you are hereby required to update that information as soon as possible. Should LiveJournal.com suspect that your personal information is not complete, current, or accurate, your account may be subject to suspension or termination. Should you feel that LiveJournal.com's privacy policy is not sufficient for you to complete the registration form truthfully, please email your policy concerns to privacy@livejournal.com. Users under 13 years of age are required to have a parent or guardian review and complete the registration process.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mehill10 on June 20, 2005, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


No clue! But know these rumors are totally unfounded! (They are made up by people who feel it's easier to spread lies than believe that bad things really can and do happen to good people.... they choose to further antagonize the situation rather than search for truth!)


this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 08:26:03 PM
Quote
In the states websites have to comply with the law and children can only participate with parent's permission.


Another K I think that is just a CYA. It is also pretty standard on all message board software, including this one!

Its purpose is to protect the company providing the webspace, not the kids!


Title: Re: News report
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 08:26:56 PM
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 08:27:16 PM
I don't think her virginity is anyone's business.

For those who complain of no response--some things like the run away story have just been answered so many times people are tired of it coming up every hour on the hour.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 08:27:27 PM
mbhs05 - good to see you come back.  Was worried you were going to leave us for good after that last round.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


This story never aired as far as I know.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 08:28:49 PM
Totally off-topic, but would like help from some computer "browser-literate" people

I've noticed that copying material across boards, e.g., copy a post from XYZ poster from SM > TA board...in Internet Explorer 6 will not copy.

However, changing the browser platforms to Mozilla/Firefox 1.04, it will copy the whole text, identifiers and the full text with no problem.

Is this a problem with settings, firewalls, pop-up blockers...you know, the full-on what to look for...it's a practical problem for sure having to switch browsers to accomplish a specific purpose.  

Thanks well in advance for anyone who can help.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:29:12 PM
O, I got distracted, but now I really do have to go... don't want Greta to think I'm disrespecting her by showing up like a bum!  Thanks again!  

Hey M, can I call you later tonight?


Title: Re: News report
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:29:19 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


I don't know why they do that.  I've seen that in some states in the US too.  Not sure how one person adds up to 2 charges or murder, but there is some explaination for it out there.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


I don't know why they do that.  I've seen that in some states in the US too.  Not sure how one person adds up to 2 charges or murder, but there is some explaination for it out there.


This is mis/dis information right now.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


Not only that, but I don't want to think about her being dead.  Obviously I know it's one of the possible outcomes....hard to hear though.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 08:30:21 PM
Have a question -- & I may have missed this from earlier posts - forgive me if I did -- but was there any more word on the alleged car chase on Friday - 2 males, 3 females associated with a news group following a car believed to either hold NH or lead to possible drop site?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klowe on June 20, 2005, 08:30:27 PM
My thoughts exactly, what has her virginity got to do with any of this and why would that be relevant??

Klowe


Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I don't think her virginity is anyone's business.

For those who complain of no response--some things like the run away story have just been answered so many times people are tired of it coming up every hour on the hour.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:30:33 PM
this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face[/quote]

no shit
I am seriously considering never going on computer again!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: "---"
O, I got distracted, but now I really do have to go... don't want Greta to think I'm disrespecting her by showing up like a bum!  Thanks again!  

Hey M, can I call you later tonight?


Chya! Do you have my number? I'll PM it to you...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Catriana on June 20, 2005, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
So, Cat, lack of response means implied acceptance? :)  Sure you're not CIA?



    :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Have a question -- & I may have missed this from earlier posts - forgive me if I did -- but was there any more word on the alleged car chase on Friday - 2 males, 3 females associated with a news group following a car believed to either hold NH or lead to possible drop site?


I don't think so, dandylion.  Only that one phone interview and that appears to be it....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Loren on June 20, 2005, 08:31:39 PM
So if there is a recap here, Joran tried to commit suicide yesterday when moved to the main prison on aruba and the DJ has been charged with murder? is that right? But I really do not get the 2 counts that some here has been posting. I'm in the UK now and I am really out of the loop. Nothing about this case gets reported and the time change is really throwing me in the dark on this.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: --- on June 20, 2005, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "---"
O, I got distracted, but now I really do have to go... don't want Greta to think I'm disrespecting her by showing up like a bum!  Thanks again!  

Hey M, can I call you later tonight?


Chya! Do you have my number? I'll PM it to you...


Your in my phone!  I dont know if you have mine, but when I call you you'll get it!  TTYL!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 08:31:51 PM
I think it's two different types of murder. Manslaughter and/or premedidated.

I THINK.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
In the states websites have to comply with the law and children can only participate with parent's permission.  I am not sure at all if that is an international law?

I'm not sure how true that is.  I'm sure all you need to do is say you are 18 and put in false information.  There's no way to prove age.


I know for a fact on myspace that is not true, K. Per the reules you are to be 18 but there is no parent permission required. Anyone can go in and register, using a DOB to make them 18 but then if you look at their webpage, their correct age is clearly stated in their porfile. There is no one policing those sites.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 08:32:16 PM
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: goon squad on June 20, 2005, 08:32:32 PM
<<What could Joran be found guilty of, under Aruban law, if he were to confess to giving Natalee ecstasy, roofies or GHB, which caused an overdose leading to her death?>>

Ummm... some level of homicide, ranging from manslaughter to murder?  

As a matter of comparison, if this were combined with some involuntary sexual activity (which GHB pretty much implies), first-degree murder and the death penalty are on the table in most U.S. jurisdictions.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face


no shit
I am seriously considering never going on computer again![/quote]

Uhhh, you're going to have a hard time convincing me of that with your almost-700-posts ;)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:32:38 PM
The DJ info about 2 murders etc. is not confirmed. NO where close to be. It never aired.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.
TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more? :?:


I don't know why they do that.  I've seen that in some states in the US too.  Not sure how one person adds up to 2 charges or murder, but there is some explaination for it out there.


This is mis/dis information right now.


No, boxopen is talking about the charges they are being held on suspicion of and it lists 2 counts of murder.  It's something I've seen done in other muder cases here in the US, but have never really looked up why they do that.  It seems that one dead person would equal one murder charge, but I've seen them do this before in the US.  May have to do with the specific crime and what other crimes were involved with it (conspiracy to commit murder...etc)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:33:34 PM
The post here are now continuing a rumor from 1 post.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
It only takes one person to make up a story, but if it's repeated enough, people start to believe it (see Rove, Karl).
Looks like an entry in an encyclopedia. :!:  ROTFLMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "---"
O, I got distracted, but now I really do have to go... don't want Greta to think I'm disrespecting her by showing up like a bum!  Thanks again!  

Hey M, can I call you later tonight?


Chya! Do you have my number? I'll PM it to you...


Your in my phone!  I dont know if you have mine, but when I call you you'll get it!  TTYL!


I only have your house...cause I tried to put your cell number in there but I think my phone didn't save it...I dunno. Anywho talk to you in a few!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:35:57 PM
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:36:38 PM
wait....I thought there was still no "confirmation" on which one of the 4 suspects had attempted suicide? Did something change?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Scott, I think they can get manslaughter. Don't ask me the sentence though, have no idea.


Even though Joran is still a minor, does the Aruban legal system allow for him to be tried as an adult?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:37:19 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 08:37:23 PM
Unfortuantely, the drawback to the internet is anyway can logon.

Okay, hre's my thought because this brought me back from the losft.

Such non-sense, bashing, derogitive and just plain heinous Natalee talk, doesn't bring her home.

It is also very disrespectful and if I was a family member or friend, I would most likely get a long stick out.  :twisted:

Compasion is need. Treat her as if she was your daughter when you decide to comment about her and I will go back to the loft and save my speeches and carpal tunnel I have develped to a minimum.

Now.. back to whatever useful everyone was talking about.   :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
wait....I thought there was still no "confirmation" on which one of the 4 suspects had attempted suicide? Did something change?


The article in one aruba paper said one of them not which one.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Hagie9 on June 20, 2005, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face


no shit
I am seriously considering never going on computer again![/quote]

I agree. I completely deleted a wedding planning journal that I had online today. I was hesitant to even start it but I finally just decided that I was being paranoid. It's gone now!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klowe on June 20, 2005, 08:38:34 PM
We don't know for sure if it is Joran that attempted suicide, and if it is him, that might be why he did it and why he is crying, because of how bad he feels for everything, because of how Natalees family might be feeling, because of  how his family is feeling, and then there is still the possibility that he is crying because he is innocent and sees no way out of proving himself innocent.  Fear will cause people to cry also, if his life is being threatened to keep quiet by a shady character that could be involved and even more guilty.  There is a lot to speculate here on whether his crying is sincere or genuine.  He has no reason to think people would even know he is crying.  

Klowe



Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:38:57 PM
Per CNN:

-Tattoo party boat not searched
-Steve Croes' boss not questioned
-Computers at Internet Cafe not checked

There were other points that I missed since I didn't see the beginning of the story.  Anyone?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 08:39:05 PM
Information is from Aruban papers and Aruba girl said that she is not always confident in their press.

There are two federal laws about the internet.  Once, COPPA requires children under 13 to provide parent permission.  I grant you anyone can lie.  The more recent one, and I don't know its name--it the one that is trying to block porn from kids and that is why the 18 disclaimer now.

I know that our school now has such a strict filter that the internet is almost useless.


On one site I moderate, we turn off accounts as soon as the information a poster gives indicates they are under age.  For example someone is talking away and then says they were in fourth grade.  They can fax a signed parents form to the site owner and get the account turned back on.

The other one for the porn protection has some pretty still rules, but again, anyone can lie.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: "klowe"
We don't know for sure if it is Joran that attempted suicide, and if it is him, that might be why he did it and why he is crying, because of how bad he feels for everything, because of how Natalees family might be feeling, because of  how his family is feeling, and then there is still the possibility that he is crying because he is innocent and sees no way out of proving himself innocent.  Fear will cause people to cry also, if his life is being threatened to keep quiet by a shady character that could be involved and even more guilty.  There is a lot to speculate here on whether his crying is sincere or genuine.  He has no reason to think people would even know he is crying.


I would think being in jail, guilty or not, might make one slightly depressed....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 08:40:16 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: goddess12 on June 20, 2005, 08:40:30 PM
Yes that is exactly what came across. Two counts of murder. I quickly came on  SM to find out what was going on, I was hoping someone here knew.


Do you think maybe the body they found that was decapitated has something to do with this case? :idea:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


This has been reported for weeks on MSM.  They have to suspect them of specific crimes to detain them but do not have to formally "accuse" them until they are ready to go to trial.  At one time, the security guards were being held on the same "suspected" crimes.  I've heard the PR person from the justice ministry talk about this on MSM.


Title: Re: Translation of clevefan article in Dutch
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 20, 2005, 08:42:19 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Clevefan:  Where did you get this?  

Bendex:  What is doodslag?  

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother.  According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that."  According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem.  Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


This has been reported for weeks on MSM.  They have to suspect them of specific crimes to detain them but do not have to formally "accuse" them until they are ready to go to trial.  At one time, the security guards were being held on the same "suspected" crimes.  I've heard the PR person from the justice ministry talk about this on MSM.


Don't take this the wrong way, but if the FACT is they are being held on murder charges. Then Natalee was murdered, therefore she is dead. Yet this forum goes on and on about hope. You cannot believe both things.


Title: protecting the innocent
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 08:42:47 PM
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Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ting"
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Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


so you want to protect natalee from legitimate questions but have no problem with us putting up a kid's website for thousands of eyes?  give me a break.  sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"


if this were combined with some involuntary sexual activity (which GHB pretty much implies),...the death penalty are on the table in most U.S. jurisdictions.


Unfortunately, for justice's sake, that's no longer true.

The Supreme Court ruled recently that those who were 16 or 17 at the time they committed murder, can no longer face the death penalty.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:43:11 PM
Nancy Grace is having a conniption fit because Steve Croes' ex-wife is driving around in his car.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: adogteam on June 20, 2005, 08:43:28 PM
I know this goes back some pages, but I was waiting to see if anyone else would reply.  

Concerning the dogs, dogs are trained in different specialties.  For instance, a bloodhound could be trained for trailing and another trained for cadaver work.  Two German Shepherds might be trained for drugs and another trained for water rescue/recovery.  It is not breed specific, just what they are trained to do.  Some dogs do cross over, but it is very difficult and tiring on the dogs and trainers.  

Bear in mind that for a dog to remain up to speed, you must train with them at least once a week in their given field.  That requires a good part of a day and two people per dog so the process is very labor and time intensive.  As you can tell, a crossover dog would require an extraordinary amount of time and training - not to speak of the fact that the dog must show the capability of understanding two different tasks.  

Also, I don't remember who, but someone asked about the trail running cold.  When you work with these search and rescue dogs, especially the scent (blood) or cadaver dogs, you have to have some of what you want them to track.  As you might have figured out, that isn't always easy to get and what is available is very small samples.  Without going into specifics, we are talking less than pinky fingernail small.  I've seen dogs find a very old sample in a one square mile quadrant.  As for blood scent dogs, I have watched them find one drop of blood on a piece of towel the same size as your pinky fingernail.  The blood on the towel had been washed with water (not detergent) so that it was not visible to the naked eye.

Hope that clears up some of the questions about the different dogs being brought in.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Per CNN:

-Tattoo party boat not searched
-Steve Croes' boss not questioned
-Computers at Internet Cafe not checked

There were other points that I missed since I didn't see the beginning of the story.  Anyone?



I'm curious about that too YPD!  Also anything else on the FBI investigation in Venezuela BHT spoke of Friday?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
According to an Aruba  spokesman on Fox last night, he said they are not obligated to check ID's when asked about Joran gambling in the casinos with him being only 17. Why would they check id's concerning the internet?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Nancy Grace is having a conniption fit because Steve Croes' ex-wife is driving around in his car.


Nancy Grace has a hissy any time of the day or week :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Per CNN:

-Tattoo party boat not searched
-Steve Croes' boss not questioned
-Computers at Internet Cafe not checked

There were other points that I missed since I didn't see the beginning of the story.  Anyone?



I'm curious about that too YPD!  Also anything else on the FBI investigation in Venezuela BHT spoke of Friday?


Title: Re: protecting the innocent
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
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Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ting"
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Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


so you want to protect natalee from legitimate questions but have no problem with us putting up a kid's website for thousands of eyes?  give me a break.  sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


Um...I said that? I wasn't aware I did...I said earlier I thought her link should be taken down, because she's only a kid.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 08:45:03 PM
Now I'm off for the night, ya'll.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
For the mountain brook kids, on other web sites they are slandering natalee saying she took out $2000 in Aruba from her saving account (how would they know) and she disappeared in Costa Rica for 4 days. Where did these rumours start?


No clue! But know these rumors are totally unfounded! (They are made up by people who feel it's easier to spread lies than believe that bad things really can and do happen to good people.... they choose to further antagonize the situation rather than search for truth!)


Yeah...she's never run away before, and where would she get $2,000? THat's a lot of money...

So very glad you're standing tall on this one....this has been zinging around wherever the internet is...it's like the air we breathe...thank you.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Now I'm off for the night, ya'll.


Goodnight ~ take care!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 20, 2005, 08:46:02 PM
Scott:

THE DUTCH LAW PROCEDURES IN ENGLISH http://www.justitie.nl/english/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


This has been reported for weeks on MSM.  They have to suspect them of specific crimes to detain them but do not have to formally "accuse" them until they are ready to go to trial.  At one time, the security guards were being held on the same "suspected" crimes.  I've heard the PR person from the justice ministry talk about this on MSM.


Don't take this the wrong way, but if the FACT is they are being held on murder charges. Then Natalee was murdered, therefore she is dead. Yet this forum goes on and on about hope. You cannot believe both things.


I wondered that myself when I heard that reported about the security guards when they were being held.  But the information has come right out of the JM over there.  I think it is just how things are done there.  They are there on "suspicion" of those crimes because they have no proof that those crimes were for sure commited yet, but the girl is missing, they think these guys are responsible, and they have to be held under suspicion of some crimes.


Title: Re: protecting the innocent
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:46:26 PM
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so you want to protect natalee from legitimate questions but have no problem with us putting up a kid's website for thousands of eyes?  give me a break.  sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander


This was beautiful <snif> :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Now I'm off for the night, ya'll.


C-ya!!  Have a good night!!


Title: Re: News report
Post by: Kshe78 on June 20, 2005, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 08:46:55 PM
I think strange things are happening with strings of quotes.


Would Natalee's clothing or say a hairbrush have the material the dogs would need?

Although I thought one of the big things about the Texas team was that they use horses and can get places not accessable to other searches.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 08:47:33 PM
Hello again monkeys, I have been running my son around...ugh! Just got home and trying to catch up. 1st thing I read was  Texas EquuSearch on its Way to Aruba. Now we're talkin'! Get TEXAS involved and we'll have it solved in no time!  :lol:  
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"TEXAS.... IT'S A WHOLE 'NOTHER COUNTRY"


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 08:47:35 PM
26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

Taken from a previous post.....notice the word "or" in the next to last sentence.    So they don't know anything yet.


Title: dogs
Post by: topwesselton on June 20, 2005, 08:47:38 PM
They used a weird looking dog to search Joran's house- it looked like a weird Doberman/Pit Mix....but if its trained to the job. then its trained to the job.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


"Four people held in the case -- none of whom have been charged." Ever AP story coming and going.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 08:48:13 PM
Do you think that Joran and his friends in jail have access to media reports in jail?  Would they know about the other murders?  Do they depend upon visitors for news reports?  I'm thinking about the suicide attempt and possible reasons for the attempt, wondering if the suspects realize the amount of pain and suffering they've caused, in addition to straining relations between the US and Aruba.


Title: not necessarily Joran
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 08:48:18 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


there is not a basis for concluding that Joran attempted suicide.  the report say one of them did.  How can he "see" how the parents are suffering as we do?  You think he has FOX?  He is locked up and incommunicado except for his lwyers, his mother's visits and his interviewers.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 08:48:36 PM
Evening monkeys..I'm Baaaack...lol..
So, tell me..why am I not hearing anything about the attempted suicide..not only who the "attemptor" was, but I have heard Nothing....Am I deaf, or is my head in my azz again?
Also, did I see a post from Arubagirl? If so, HI DOLL!! How are ya?
Hope all is well with EVERYONE thus far this evening......
Ya'll ready for this bumpy ride this evening?
Everybody keeping the trollies at bay? Gawdd I hope so..this afternoon was CRAP!


Title: Re: not necessarily Joran
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


there is not a basis for concluding that Joran attempted suicide.  the report say one of them did.  How can he "see" how the parents are suffering as we do?  You think he has FOX?  He is locked up and incommunicado except for his lwyers, his mother's visits and his interviewers.


I have heard that foxnews is not on arubacable. So I doubt it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 08:50:17 PM
Hey Iquitos...that's the first time I have heard that "sauce" thing.
Interesting......

Some Cop on FOX giving his opinion on how chaperones should have handled the group of kids!

Shoulda...woulda...coulda...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 08:50:27 PM
Due to the fact that going back and reading all today's threads I missed is next to impossible on dial up...AND, if I did it I'd still be way behind with present theads....Uggghhhhh.

I would suggest we take any newspaper reports with a grain of salt.  Given the recent reports that turned out to be completely bogus...the cars they were following to Columbia with Natalee in the car...and the report of kidnapping and ransom in the article about the family.

Any tidbit of information is worth alot right now...so I would be very cautious about any reports that aren't confirmed by authorities.

I can't wait for Greta.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:50:44 PM
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]


Title: Re: News report
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


Hello.  Welcome!!  I took that to mean the same thing, that he is now not just a "witness".


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: "Hagie9"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face


no shit
I am seriously considering never going on computer again!


I agree. I completely deleted a wedding planning journal that I had online today. I was hesitant to even start it but I finally just decided that I was being paranoid. It's gone now![/quote]

i locked both sets of keys in my truck... :roll:


Title: Re: protecting the innocent
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "iquitos"
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Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ting"
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Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


so you want to protect natalee from legitimate questions but have no problem with us putting up a kid's website for thousands of eyes?  give me a break.  sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


Um...I said that? I wasn't aware I did...I said earlier I thought her link should be taken down, because she's only a kid.


MB I took it down but some did not.


Title: Re: not necessarily Joran
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


there is not a basis for concluding that Joran attempted suicide.  the report say one of them did.  How can he "see" how the parents are suffering as we do?  You think he has FOX?  He is locked up and incommunicado except for his lwyers, his mother's visits and his interviewers.


I have heard that foxnews is not on arubacable. So I doubt it.


Maybe the quilt trip is being placed on him by his mother?????


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:53:24 PM
Anyone emailing Greta about the Dario car following story, since her network left us hanging?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 08:53:49 PM
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 08:54:42 PM
My apologies to anyone offended regarding the question about Natalee's virginity.  

The intent behind the question was to ascertain whether Joran realized she was not promiscuous, and thus, through premeditation, felt the only way he could have her, would be if she was drugged.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]

 LOL! I was making a funny, but still lovin' my Texas. About the elements....do you know anything about Texas?
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Texas...it's a whole 'nother country


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:55:44 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
My apologies to anyone offended regarding the question about Natalee's virginity.  

The intent behind the question was to ascertain whether Joran realized she was not promiscuous, and thus, through premeditation, felt the only way he could have her, would be if she was drugged.


She probably would not have advertised that on a trip to aruba, to a guy she just met. So how would have "known"?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 08:56:20 PM
How do yall like the big red "FAMILY FEUD" X's on Nancy's show??? Go get 'em Nancy!!!! LOL


Title: Re: not necessarily Joran
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


there is not a basis for concluding that Joran attempted suicide.  the report say one of them did.  How can he "see" how the parents are suffering as we do?  You think he has FOX?  He is locked up and incommunicado except for his lwyers, his mother's visits and his interviewers.


Tell Scared Monkeys cuz they have Joran on suicide watch on the main page.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 08:56:57 PM
Bill's kids are gonna hate life at 16, 17 & 18.  

This cop is also a bit seperated from reality.  This guy couldn't tell the graduates what to do any more than they could tell him what to do.  

Women and men for that matter are drugged or misled all the time, no matter their age.  

Remember, ANYONE can be a victim of a crime.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: goddess12 on June 20, 2005, 08:57:03 PM
Hi There, I'm fairly new on here but have been trying to keep up to date on this forum for the past week.
Thanks for answering me.. without judging. Its almost impossible to keep up on all of the rumors and facts on this case. Aruba does things so much different than we do here in the U.S.
I truly hope they find Natalie..
This surely is a very complicated case.



Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


Title: Re: News report
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


"Four people held in the case -- none of whom have been charged." Ever AP story coming and going.


Here is a quote from an earlier report about John and Jones from CNN about the "charges" they were there on suspicion of but not formally accused of:

Jones' attorney, Chris Lejuez, said his client is accused of first-degree murder, second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, or kidnapping resulting in death.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 08:57:36 PM
OK - haven't seen a lot of opinion on this in the past few hours -- but did the "young romance gone wrong" theory go out the window with the reports of a decapitated body, another murder, and another missing person reported which are supposedly "unrelated" to the NH case -- all on an island that reportedly had only one murder last year?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


On other sites, weirdo's were making terrible comments about Natalee and I was wondering if the MS students saw them and if they new who would do that to her.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 08:58:13 PM
Scott, I wasn't offended and understood, logically, what you were getting at.  People always get so sensitive about the question of sexual promiscuity, when in fact it's not to point fingers at the victim, but rather to ascertain the impression of the victim by the suspect.  The answer might lend more to guilt than innocence....


Title: Re: News report
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


"Four people held in the case -- none of whom have been charged." Ever AP story coming and going.


Here is a quote from an earlier report about John and Jones from CNN about the "charges" they were there on suspicion of but not formally accused of:

Jones' attorney, Chris Lejuez, said his client is accused of first-degree murder, second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, or kidnapping resulting in death.


As I stated before you cannot believe both. She is alive and they are suspected of murder.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

Taken from a previous post.....notice the word "or" in the next to last sentence.    So they don't know anything yet.


no there is nothing official
 u r right dag
thanx


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


 I don't know anything about Natalee bashing posts.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Bill's kids are gonna hate life at 16, 17 & 18.  

This cop is also a bit seperated from reality.  This guy couldn't tell the graduates what to do any more than they could tell him what to do.  

Women and men for that matter are drugged or misled all the time, no matter their age.  

Remember, ANYONE can be a victim of a crime.


That's right..I was drugged at 26..and I am a NURSE..you'd think I would be more cautious...I have worked with the coroners office and medicl examiner here in my county..worked with former miami/dade police detectives..been on alot of cases and alot of calls..it could happen to ANYONE....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
According to an Aruba  spokesman on Fox last night, he said they are not obligated to check ID's when asked about Joran gambling in the casinos with him being only 17. Why would they check id's concerning the internet?

According to Aruba-Travelguide.com, they don't normally check ID's.

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?
"The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be "carded".
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/#legalage


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]

 LOL! I was making a funny, but still lovin' my Texas. About the elements....do you know anything about Texas?
Quote

Texas...it's a whole 'nother country


Only state to have been its own country.  

Texas for the safe return of Natalee.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


On other sites, weirdo's were making terrible comments about Natalee and I was wondering if the MS students saw them and if they new who would do that to her.


Man I tell you what..people are sick... :twisted:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


On other sites, weirdo's were making terrible comments about Natalee and I was wondering if the MS students saw them and if they new who would do that to her.


I would suggest you either post all the info or none of the info your current post is worthless.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 09:00:24 PM
I don't see it as a question of goose and gander, but personal preference, taste, values, "culture."

In my personal opinion, nothing about Natalee's behavior, dress, etc have any relevance.

However, that is because it is my opinion that no woman, regardless of any of those factors, deserves to be assaulted, abducted or be on the receiving end of any violent or non consensual act.

In some cultures, that's a pretty controversial view.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


On other sites, weirdo's were making terrible comments about Natalee and I was wondering if the MS students saw them and if they new who would do that to her.


I would suggest you either post all the info or none of the info your current post is worthless.


 WTF?


Title: Re: not necessarily Joran
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.


there is not a basis for concluding that Joran attempted suicide.  the report say one of them did.  How can he "see" how the parents are suffering as we do?  You think he has FOX?  He is locked up and incommunicado except for his lwyers, his mother's visits and his interviewers.


Tell Scared Monkeys cuz they have Joran on suicide watch on the main page.


I don't think Joran tried to commit suicide because of his distraught parents or what is being reported.  I think it's because he has a guilty conscience and has woven a huge web of lies.  I think it is because his amigos are no longer around and he doesn't know what the hell is going on.  He is a 17 year old kid sitting in jail, a kid--according to the press--who has a history of anger problems and who has been extremely emotional while in jail.  He is at his ropes end, or so to say.  He also knows enough about the law to probably try to manipulate it in his favor as much as possible.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


"Four people held in the case -- none of whom have been charged." Ever AP story coming and going.


Here is a quote from an earlier report about John and Jones from CNN about the "charges" they were there on suspicion of but not formally accused of:

Jones' attorney, Chris Lejuez, said his client is accused of first-degree murder, second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, or kidnapping resulting in death.


As I stated before you cannot believe both. She is alive and they are suspected of murder.


Okay, all I was doing was answering the question that "yes, they are being detained on suspicion of those crimes".  Suspicion does not mean that it actually took place, but that they suspect that it did.  I don't believe strongly either way and I'm not sure what the JM in Aruba actually believes.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: goddess12 on June 20, 2005, 09:01:19 PM
Thanks for the WELCOME DRAGONFLY.. :)


Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


I only took this to mean that they have changed his (Steve's) "status" from witness to suspicion, which is what the other boys are being held on as well.

By the way, I intro'd myself earlier today, but for those of you on here only at night, hello to all of you as well!


Hello.  Welcome!!  I took that to mean the same thing, that he is now not just a "witness".


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Have a question -- & I may have missed this from earlier posts - forgive me if I did -- but was there any more word on the alleged car chase on Friday - 2 males, 3 females associated with a news group following a car believed to either hold NH or lead to possible drop site?


In the home of car chases, so it has been said, Southern California, the Los Angeles stations seen on the "bugs"...KTLA5, KTTV11...didn't carry the subsequent activity.  

It certainly caught my attention when I saw/heard it.  

From what i've read, there might be a fairly low regard reporting standards...

(if there isn't another complicating factor to understand this matter)

edit: woops...it's never been spoken about again....apocryphal?...it's in the column of "you heard it..." What's your source?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
According to an Aruba  spokesman on Fox last night, he said they are not obligated to check ID's when asked about Joran gambling in the casinos with him being only 17. Why would they check id's concerning the internet?

According to Aruba-Travelguide.com, they don't normally check ID's.

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?
"The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be "carded".
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/#legalage


that is funny...mt friends in aua can only go to casinoes a certain # of times per month or year and actually have to sign in...they know the locals at the door.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]

 LOL! I was making a funny, but still lovin' my Texas. About the elements....do you know anything about Texas?
Quote

Texas...it's a whole 'nother country


Only state to have been its own country.  

Texas for the safe return of Natalee.


Of this fact I am aware (Texas having been it's own country.)  And yes, I been to Texas plenty.  There's a vast difference in terrain you know and terrain you don't know.  I have lived in the Caribbean, and been to Aruba for work as well as Dallas, for work. Different places.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:02:27 PM
Your point? I don't want to start more crap!! Just wondered if they saw it on other websites such as yahoo and travel advisor.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:02:32 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK..question..again..Did someone say that MB students have "natalee bashing" posts? If so, where are these posts located? :twisted:


On other sites, weirdo's were making terrible comments about Natalee and I was wondering if the MS students saw them and if they new who would do that to her.


I would suggest you either post all the info or none of the info your current post is worthless.


 WTF?


Other sites leads to more questions and innuendo like you had. Some things should either be left alone or brought to the surface not sensationalized. Wantsanswers does this in most of their post.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sb on June 20, 2005, 09:03:41 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]

 LOL! I was making a funny, but still lovin' my Texas. About the elements....do you know anything about Texas?


That landscape in the interior of the island looks just like West Texas, rolling hills and cactus (just a different variety of cactus)

littletxlady y'all can have that BBQ brisket, I prefer pork. Other than that I LOVE Texas!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Your point? I don't want to start more crap!! Just wondered if they saw it on other websites such as yahoo and travel advisor.


Just the appearance of your post starts the crap.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
I don't see it as a question of goose and gander, but personal preference, taste, values, "culture."

In my personal opinion, nothing about Natalee's behavior, dress, etc have any relevance.

However, that is because it is my opinion that no woman, regardless of any of those factors, deserves to be assaulted, abducted or be on the receiving end of any violent or non consensual act.

In some cultures, that's a pretty controversial view.


I concur Ting.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ashleybelle on June 20, 2005, 09:05:00 PM
Natalee's aunt is on Fox..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 09:05:37 PM
Linda Allison, Natalee's aunt is on FOX now.  She believes Joran, deepak and satish are the key to finding Natalee.  She feels that Joran is getting special treatment because he has connections.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 09:06:05 PM
BRB everyone be good.. gotta check some new info out  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Your point? I don't want to start more crap!! Just wondered if they saw it on other websites such as yahoo and travel advisor.


Just the appearance of your post starts the crap.


Curious, why does that matter if someone posting garbage on another site about anybody?  What's anyone going to do about it?  Go post back?  That's nuts, BTW...and exactly what people who are truly derogatory want.


Title: Questions for the more informed
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:07:10 PM
I have been following this for over two weeks, now I would like to ask a few questions. First, who is this official?

"The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us."


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Your point? I don't want to start more crap!! Just wondered if they saw it on other websites such as yahoo and travel advisor.


Just the appearance of your post starts the crap.


No it does not if you don't go and look it up. It was emailed to me and i was wondering who would do that and where did they get their information.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: "absolut"

She probably would not have advertised that on a trip to aruba, to a guy she just met. So how would have "known"?


A savvy, precocious kid like Joran, who evidently defined himself by his sexual exploits, seemed quite capable of spotting prey with eagle's eyes.

The unfortunate cynicism you're seeing from those trying to denigrate Natalee's character, is predicated in the thought that a girl that beautiful can't possibly be as innocent and naive as portrayed.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 09:08:02 PM
Linda Allison doesn't know why they brought fourth suspect in.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:08:21 PM
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
... accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving).

Taken from a previous post.....notice the word "or" in the next to last sentence.    So they don't know anything yet.
Ah, ok. Thank you for the clarification. :idea:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Wantsanswers was posting about other sites and attempting create a stir.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "sarah"
Did anyone see the news report a couple of days ago about bloodhounds?  I believe they pick up the scent of a person using a shoe or some article of clothing as a lead.  I know cadaver dogs have been used, how about bloodhounds?  Anyone know if they would be uselful?


I never saw bloodhounds but I did see some k-9's


These people made a point that bloodhounds and k-9's were different.  Bloodhounds have a much more sensitive nose.  I guess different dogs are trained for different things.  I believe they are trained to find a trail, not a person who has deceased.


Hounds are trackers. “I have a few”
Hounds find or stay on a track with there ears. Strange maybe but with there nose on track there ears push the sent to there nose when following same.
 
.” U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, while I think it's wonderful they'd go down there, I'd bet you some of that BBQ ya'll like so much that without a doubt they will be out of their element on that island.

I have a hankering for the BBQ....[/b]

 LOL! I was making a funny, but still lovin' my Texas. About the elements....do you know anything about Texas?
Quote

Texas...it's a whole 'nother country


Only state to have been its own country.  

Texas for the safe return of Natalee.

 Texas is the largest state and the elements here vary greatly. We have just about any element you can imagine and I have ridden horses thru a quite a bit of it.  They have a tough job on their hands, but I have faith. Matters not because I think she is ALIVE. Fox is about to touch on my theory. We just to have to all have faith and pray...ALOT!
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 20, 2005, 09:10:10 PM
I watched a Current Affair tonight (and ONLY b/c it was about Natalee!!) Her stepfather left today to go home to Alabama, but is expected to return soon.  I wouldn't read anything in to that - I would assume that he needed to go back for something work related, or household related.  

Her father was interviewed and said that his 8-year old daughter called him yesterday to tell him Happy Father's Day and sing him a song she wrote for him.  He had intentions of going out to search yesterday, but he said after that he just needed to stay in the hotel.  He was visibly upset.  

Her mom said that family members would rotate in and out, except for her.  She's not going anywhere.  She said she's staying in Natalee's room, and that it's not difficult for her to stay there.

I think that was about all I got.   :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KKM on June 20, 2005, 09:10:25 PM
Greta, 9PM, Birmingham:  My nosy side is coming out.  Anybody know where she's taping from so I can go be a tacky (but silent) bystander???


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: goon squad on June 20, 2005, 09:10:47 PM
<<TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more?>>


[Preface: I acknowledge that there is no proof of specific charges re: Croes]

Is there anything to the U.S. "felony murder" rule in Aruban law?  That could be a way that one could receive two murder charges for acts against a single person.

Under the U.S. "felony murder" rule, a person can be charged with 1st degree murder if s/he commits a violent, felony-level act, and, as a result of the act, somebody dies.

For instance, a prosecutor might believe a person committed murder, but the evidence for it is shaky.  However, there could be stronger evidence for the person committing a distinguishable violent felony that can be tied to a death.  In the U.S., that prosecutor could file one murder charge for the actual killing, and another charge of felony murder for the felony that led to the killing.  This would be very plausible in the "date rape" drug scenario mentioned earlier.

Again, I don't know if Aruban law has something similar.

Given that an investigation is ongoing, the prosecutorial office probably wants to keep its options open for as many charges as available, to cover all bases.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Your point? I don't want to start more crap!! Just wondered if they saw it on other websites such as yahoo and travel advisor.


Just the appearance of your post starts the crap.


No it does not if you don't go and look it up. It was emailed to me and i was wondering who would do that and where did they get their information.


So you want the MB students to go look it up? How would they know the why, the how or the who of the people posting on the internet?


Title: Re: Questions for the more informed
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
I have been following this for over two weeks, now I would like to ask a few questions. First, who is this official?

"The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us."

This is the first I've seen of this.  Where is the link to the article?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Uhm, at the risk of being a problem here, I'd submit that you don't know Natalee, nor do most people on this board.  There are 2 or 3 people here who talk about her, and then there's her parents and family on TV.  You're defending someone that you choose to believe is good - can't bash other folks for having their own questions about her when they don't know who she is, nor do they know her family.  I'm not saying what you're doing is right or wrong, just that others are allowed to think otherwise if they choose.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: "KKM"
Greta, 9PM, Birmingham:  My nosy side is coming out.  Anybody know where she's taping from so I can go be a tacky (but silent) bystander???


Greta is in Aruba.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:12:47 PM
what I was saying is that it doe snot matter where those posts are being posted by now there is a enough information about Natalee out there from reliable sources that everyone should realize she would not do anything like what those people would be suggesting.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Linda Allison doesn't know why they brought fourth suspect in.


Linda Allison is Natalee's dad's sister.  She lives here in Jonesboro.  Her husband wrote on a local web page (when all of this started) that it took the media to get involved before the Aruban officials would take the case seriously.


Title: Next question
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:12:56 PM
Again, I have been following this story for two weeks and there are some question that may be helpful

Who owns this company?

Sinbad Charters N.V.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<TWO (??) counts of murder?
So, beside Natalee, who's more?>>


[Preface: I acknowledge that there is no proof of specific charges re: Croes]

Is there anything to the U.S. "felony murder" rule in Aruban law?  That could be a way that one could receive two murder charges for acts against a single person.

Under the U.S. "felony murder" rule, a person can be charged with 1st degree murder if s/he commits a violent, felony-level act, and, as a result of the act, somebody dies.

For instance, a prosecutor might believe a person committed murder, but the evidence for it is shaky.  However, there could be stronger evidence for the person committing a distinguishable violent felony that can be tied to a death.  In the U.S., that prosecutor could file one murder charge for the actual killing, and another charge of felony murder for the felony that led to the killing.  This would be very plausible in the "date rape" drug scenario mentioned earlier.

Again, I don't know if Aruban law has something similar.

Given that an investigation is ongoing, the prosecutorial office probably wants to keep its options open for as many charges as available, to cover all bases.


I think so.  Conspiracy to commit murder and kidnapping resulting in death is somewhere in there too.  I think it depends on how crimes were commited and absolutely keeping their options open.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 09:13:56 PM
If you think it was other websites go look there.  Students here have not been saying negative things go this is not the place you will find that.

I don't go to other websites so can only attest that it did not happen here.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Wantsanswers was posting about other sites and attempting create a stir.


evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


Title: Re: Next question
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
Again, I have been following this story for two weeks and there are some question that may be helpful

Who owns this company?

Sinbad Charters N.V.


Marcus Wiggins?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KKM on June 20, 2005, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Greta, 9PM, Birmingham:  My nosy side is coming out.  Anybody know where she's taping from so I can go be a tacky (but silent) bystander???


Greta is in Aruba.
Damn.  Thanks for the info though.  At least I won't be driving all over Bham trying to find Fox!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Wantsanswers was posting about other sites and attempting create a stir.


evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


I know your post pretty well, simpleton, looney and on and on.


Title: Reply
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:16:13 PM
<b>klaasend</b>
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

Our plane touched down Friday evening, June 10, on the island of Aruba. As we approached the hotel where Natalee Holloway had stayed during her five-day vacation, yellow and white ribbons were evident everywhere. On June 5 the island had exhausted its supply of yellow ribbons, so white ribbons joined yellow ones on lampposts, street signs, and flagpoles. They were visible reminders of a tragic story that many island locals hoped would disappear.

Since the day after she vanished, a group of closely knit friends had gathered with Natalee Holloway's family in Aruba. Initially, they came to provide emotional support, but soon found themselves acting as the lead detectives in an investigation to find the 18-year-old girl. Within hours of arriving on the island, they were troubled to learn that island police were tentative about beginning any investigation, since missing-person cases require a 24-hour waiting period. Police assured the family that Natalee would show up soon, exclaiming, "Things like this happen all the time, people love the island so much, and they just don't want to go home."

Friends of the family immediately took matters into their own hands; within hours they learned the identity of the three men last seen with Natalee at a local nightclub during the early hours of Monday, May 30. They conducted informal interviews at the home of 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot who, in the company of police officials, readily admitted to having been with Natalee on the previous evening before dropping her off at her hotel at 2:30 a.m. Later, it was learned that surveillance tapes from the hotel revealed no such activity. Moreover, friends who waited for Natalee in the lobby until 5 a.m. said she never even arrived at the hotel. Believing that Van Der Sloot was lying, the family and their friends pegged him as the leading suspect a mere 12 hours after Natalee's disappearance.

As flyers were posted around the island, the search for Natalee began in earnest. Efforts concentrated around the hotel and at the lighthouse on the north end of the island, where Van Der Sloot, 18-year old Satish Kalpoe, and his brother, 21-year old Deepak, said they had taken Natalee after leaving a local downtown nightclub. As an avalanche of leads and anonymous tips flowed in, friends of the family mobilized into an investigative task force armed with cell phones, two-way radios, and a fleet of rental cars. Psychics, prevalent on the island, began demanding the attention of the family. Each told family associates that "she is in a dark place, and near water." One claimed that Natalee's soul was sitting next to her. "Ask her what the name of her dog is," a family associate asked. "She is crying," she told him, "she is too upset to talk." During that early period of the family's investigation, attempts to get the police involved were unsuccessful. According to a friend of the family, the Police Commissioner actually suggested that they go to Carlos & Charlie's (the bar Natalee disappeared from) on Wednesday night. "It is Ladies Night," he said, "and I am sure she will be there."

As the search became more desperate and the tips became more bizarre, missions into the island's darkest barrios, including the red-light district and assorted crack houses, were orchestrated. The editor of the island newspaper informed the family that a group of drug dealers were holding Natalee for a $10,000 ransom (an odd amount considering that the posted reward was in excess of $50,000). A late-night rendezvous between the drug dealers and family friends was arranged, and after a wild series of events an American girl was rescued by the police, who called to report that "they are 98-percent sure they have Natalee." The family raced to the police station only to discover that the female in custody had dark hair, brown eyes, weighed about 130 pounds, and looked to be about 45 years old. Natalee had blonde hair, blue eyes, weighed 110 pounds, and was 18 years old. That was the first of many letdowns and false leads.

On Day 5, police arrested two security guards, leaving the family perplexed as to why the investigation had not yet led to the persons last seen with Natalee: Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. From all accounts, the three have bad reputations. Joran Van Der Sloot is a son of privilege; his father has been appointed to a judgeship on the island and rumors swirled that he was using his influence to impede the investigation. There were varying descriptions of Joran, ranging from model student athlete to casino playboy (he met Natalee in a casino). He is tall, handsome, and looks older than his age. His friends, Satish and Deepak, also sons of wealth and privilege, were described to me by a local islander "as bad men who mistreat women." One scenario has the trio involved in a seedy scam that involves meeting attractive female tourists, learning the date of their departure, and taking advantage of them on their final night in town.

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.

The lobby of the Aruba Holiday Inn was a peculiar mix of scantily clad, well-sunscreened hotel guests, members of the media, and people engaged in the search for Holloway. Those involved in the search had established a war room in the hotel, but most of them hung out in the lobby in between search activities because the war room was too depressing. Eleven days after Natalee's disappearance, the flow of tips and leads had abated, mainly because family friends had become adept at screening them. Efforts were concentrated on getting scuba divers in the water, defining specific locations for organized searches, and staying visible to police and government officials. Natalee's mother, Beth, spent her days visiting schools and churches, speaking with children and handing out wrist bracelets made by friends in Birmingham.

"The only thing we have going for us is maintaining a high profile and letting these people know that we aren't leaving without Natalee," said one family friend, "otherwise it's just another missing girl." Indeed, it was clear that virtually everyone on the island wanted the family and friends to go home because they were jeopardizing the tourist economy, hindering the local drug trade, and drawing intense media scrutiny to local police and government officials who have no experience managing this kind of case.

Late Friday evening, June 10, rumors circulated that police had taken members of the family to the lighthouse to identify a body. On television, CNN reported that Natalee was dead, and both CNN and Fox News were reporting a confession "that something bad has happened to Natalee." Both stories were without merit. The next morning, CNN was still reporting that Natalee was dead, but Fox had retracted its story about a confession. At 10 a.m., Vivian Van Der Biezen, spokesperson for the Attorney General, held a press conference at the hotel to report "they are at a very critical point in the investigation and they will neither confirm nor deny information being reported from other sources." This was typical of the information being provided to the family, in that it had absolutely no substance.

On Saturday night, Geraldo Rivera conducted a live interview with Beth Holloway Twitty [Natalee's mother], George Twitty [her step-father], and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The interview went smoothly until the Prime Minister revealed a fact undisclosed to the Holloways—that the police found blood in one of the cars impounded during the investigation (a lab test later proved this to be false). Twitty took the opportunity to criticize Oduber. "This is typical of what we're going through. They have information that we know nothing about and this is the first time we're hearing it. You hear it before we do." Off camera, Oduber was having a total meltdown.

By Sunday morning, June 12, Natalee's parents were modifying their media strategy. Worried early on that any criticism of the investigation would jeopardize their relationship with the police department, they ultimately concluded that things couldn't get much worse. After 14 days with no answers, it seemed that the media was their only hope of getting any results. Government officials continued to defend the investigation's credibility to the media.

Two weeks after Natalee Holloway was reported missing, I left the island. Understandably, her family won't leave without her, and by now police and government officials on the island are keenly aware of that fact. My lasting impression of Aruba is the license tag on the rear of the car that brought me to the airport. The slogan at the top of the plate read "One Happy Island."


Title: Correction...
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 20, 2005, 09:16:40 PM
Greta has been in Aruba, but is in B'ham tonight.
She is interviewing Dash, amongst other things.
This is becoming one of the defining periods in my lifetime, a point where I learn what is out there and how it can reach good people.
The Space Shuttle exploding, OJ, Tyson, 9/11, The Great Went, etc.
I have been here since day one, and still hope for the best.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
OK - haven't seen a lot of opinion on this in the past few hours -- but did the "young romance gone wrong" theory go out the window with the reports of a decapitated body, another murder, and another missing person reported which are supposedly "unrelated" to the NH case -- all on an island that reportedly had only one murder last year?

Yup... Alfred Hitchcock is on vacations there!  ~ 8)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:16:53 PM
RB  yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But those of that choose to trust and defend her based on what her close friends have said and told some of us of what she is like are also entitled to our opinions and to defend her. so if you think I am bashign those bashing her you have your own opinion but I still have my right to defend Natalee her friends and family.  I do so as a fellow christian.


Title: Re: Correction...
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Greta has been in Aruba, but is in B'ham tonight.
She is interviewing Dash, amongst other things.
This is becoming one of the defining periods in my lifetime, a point where I learn what is out there and how it can reach good people.
The Space Shuttle exploding, OJ, Tyson, 9/11, The Great Went, etc.
I have been here since day one, and still hope for the best.


Check Greta's blog they are going back.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160089,00.html


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:17:32 PM
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river![/quote]

 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 09:18:02 PM
waited_too_long

thanks for finding that...i remembered reading that too and couldn't figure out where...

what a bribe!!!!  kind of crazy!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in[/quote]

??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 09:19:21 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
If there are any posts bashing Natalee they do not last long.  With so many of us defending Natalee these post do not last long if they do pop up.  It has been establishsed that she is of good character.  any post that attacks her is dispicable and we will continue to defend her until  and after she comes home.


Uhm, at the risk of being a problem here, I'd submit that you don't know Natalee, nor do most people on this board.  There are 2 or 3 people here who talk about her, and then there's her parents and family on TV.  You're defending someone that you choose to believe is good - can't bash other folks for having their own questions about her when they don't know who she is, nor do they know her family.  I'm not saying what you're doing is right or wrong, just that others are allowed to think otherwise if they choose.



I think that all anyone here asks is that..if you do post your "opinion"...that you do it with a certain degree of decorum....and then no one else who has been here willl take offense...there are many here who are feel emotionally envolved....despite not having a personal relationship.....we all feel emotionally involved


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: luckydee on June 20, 2005, 09:19:26 PM
Regarding Natalee's aunt on Fox Hannity and Colmes. She was asked about the family's comment that there would be more arrests coming. She said that was just something they were thinking because there was finger pointing, not anything that they've been told.  She also said that they are having "contact" with the FBI twice a day, not "communication" as she originally stated. They aren't getting much information from the FBI.

The show is going to show the seedy side of Aruba and I think the prison in a little bit.

Colmes will be reporting from Aruba tomorrow.


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 09:20:19 PM
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?
[/quote]


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?
[/quote]

Beats me.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700[/quote]

You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
RB  yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But those of that choose to trust and defend her based on what her close friends have said and told some of us of what she is like are also entitled to our opinions and to defend her. so if you think I am bashign those bashing her you have your own opinion but I still have my right to defend Natalee her friends and family.  I do so as a fellow christian.


Defend all you want - I find it hypocritical that some of the "fellow" Christians I see posting don't give one thought to smearing a kid's name who, while not likely, might be guilty of nothing more than being with NH the night she disappeared.  We don't know the whole story and there's not enough out there yet to know - only speculation and innuendo.  When he's charged those that suspected him can say "I told you so." Until I see more, I haven't made up mind yet.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:22:02 PM
thank you gaijin.  you said it better than I could in my last post.


Title: Re: Correction...
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 20, 2005, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Greta has been in Aruba, but is in B'ham tonight.
She is interviewing Dash, amongst other things.
This is becoming one of the defining periods in my lifetime, a point where I learn what is out there and how it can reach good people.
The Space Shuttle exploding, OJ, Tyson, 9/11, The Great Went, etc.
I have been here since day one, and still hope for the best.


Check Greta's blog they are going back.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160089,00.html


Odd.
Dash was here an hour or so ago and had to leave for an interview with Greta.
She was in jeans and a t-shirt and didn't want Greta to think she was a bum, or something to that effect.
Guess we shall see.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 09:22:14 PM
Can anyone with access to the Aruba press tell us whether Sergio Gomez has been found?

And also the report of a second missing man - is there a name?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?[/quote]

Your post count and content is far higher than mine.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 09:22:39 PM
This was an article in a newspaper and I think is on the front page here somewhere.


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?
[/quote]

Half of that article is posted on the home page of this website...it was in the Black and White...isn't that a Birmingham newspaper???  Correct me if I'm wrong...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700[/quote]

Touche'


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tcumom on June 20, 2005, 09:23:10 PM
As you all can see, I seldom post.  I am now, as I invite you to check out the texas eqqusearch website posted below.  Some may choose to make light of a bunch of folks on horses riding around Aruba hunting for Natalee.  Perhaps their experience (the eqquesearch team) in Sri Lanka will help them.

What this group of volunteers has achieved and accomplished is amazing.  I can testify to this as the daughter of a good friend here in my small Texas town was abducted in 2002 (no, she did NOT run away)....I personally worked and helped with these volunteers for over 2 weeks....they would not leave .... their organization and work ethic is awe inspiring.  

PLEASE take a few moments to check out their website, which features Natalee and other missing people.  I apologize in advance for the long post, and will go back to just quietly reading.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: veme on June 20, 2005, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
RB  yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But those of that choose to trust and defend her based on what her close friends have said and told some of us of what she is like are also entitled to our opinions and to defend her. so if you think I am bashign those bashing her you have your own opinion but I still have my right to defend Natalee her friends and family.  I do so as a fellow christian.


Defend all you want - I find it hypocritical that some of the "fellow" Christians I see posting don't give one thought to smearing a kid's name who, while not likely, might be guilty of nothing more than being with NH the night she disappeared.  We don't know the whole story and there's not enough out there yet to know - only speculation and innuendo.  When he's charged those that suspected him can say "I told you so." Until I see more, I haven't made up mind yet.


Things are taking a nose dive. Shame on the both of you. Good night. :cry:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 09:24:41 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
thank you gaijin.  you said it better than I could in my last post.


everyones entitled to their opinion......but lets all be polite to each other...
call me an idiot...but I'm lookiing for this girl to be alive...please God..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?


Your post count and content is far higher than mine.[/quote]

Okay, I'm not sure where that came from, but I was responding to FOM's quest to get the mug at the post of 700.  It was something we were all joking about last night.  That last post of mine was only a response to FOM's funny.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?[/quote]

DF...you may be one of the next ones to get that cyber backrub  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 20, 2005, 09:25:19 PM
I was not comparing crime rates...I was comparing crack houses...ok ok...nevada prostitution laws (legal there but not in NYC).  I was basically saying the stuff they showed on Current Affairs in regards to that type of thing happening there is pretty much everywhere.  I apologize if my post was misleading.  I could have used my own city but no one would have ever heard of it  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Bill's kids are gonna hate life at 16, 17 & 18.  

This cop is also a bit seperated from reality.  This guy couldn't tell the graduates what to do any more than they could tell him what to do.  

Women and men for that matter are drugged or misled all the time, no matter their age.  

Remember, ANYONE can be a victim of a crime.


Anyone want to volunteer to be Bill O'Reilly's kid?


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?
[/quote]

Publisher of the Birmingham Balck and White. He was in Aruba for a firsthand account of the Natalee Holloway story.


Title: Re: Correction...
Post by: KKM on June 20, 2005, 09:26:37 PM
Odd.
Dash was here an hour or so ago and had to leave for an interview with Greta.
She was in jeans and a t-shirt and didn't want Greta to think she was a bum, or something to that effect.
Guess we shall see.[/quote]OK - getting in my car (pajamas, chip clip and face cream) and driving to the Memorial Wall right now - can't think of where else she'd be if they actually are in Bham.  Be right back.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:26:49 PM
veme, that's not taking a nose dive.  That's a fair exchange of thoughts :)


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?
[/quote]

Publisher of the Birmingham Black and White. He was in Aruba for a firsthand account of the Natalee Holloway story.


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?


Ok, thanks

Publisher of the Birmingham Balck and White. He was in Aruba for a firsthand account of the Natalee Holloway story.[/quote]


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:28:05 PM
i to pray and feel she is still alive and will be brought home safe.  I am through RB say what you want.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 20, 2005, 09:28:18 PM
Arlene Ellis Schipper, the Aruban defense attorney that's been on Fox several times just stated that prisoners in Aruba are allowed to wear their own clothes.  Their parents can bring them clothes when they are there for visitation.

I know that there was a question before (why the guys were in regular clothes).  Speculation was b/c they were headed to court, but apparently that's not the case.


Title: Re: Correction...
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: "KKM"
Odd.
Dash was here an hour or so ago and had to leave for an interview with Greta.
She was in jeans and a t-shirt and didn't want Greta to think she was a bum, or something to that effect.
Guess we shall see.
OK - getting in my car (pajamas, chip clip and face cream) and driving to the Memorial Wall right now - can't think of where else she'd be if they actually are in Bham.  Be right back.[/quote]

Maybe she is on via sat. like she was on Bill O?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?



DF...you may be one of the next ones to get that cyber backrub  :wink:[/quote]

Where have you been Kerin!!!?!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:28:47 PM
Somebody puhhleasee send me a link on the supposed "suicide attempt" greatly appreciated!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
As you all can see, I seldom post.  I am now, as I invite you to check out the texas eqqusearch website posted below.  Some may choose to make light of a bunch of folks on horses riding around Aruba hunting for Natalee.  Perhaps their experience (the eqquesearch team) in Sri Lanka will help them.

What this group of volunteers has achieved and accomplished is amazing.  I can testify to this as the daughter of a good friend here in my small Texas town was abducted in 2002 (no, she did NOT run away)....I personally worked and helped with these volunteers for over 2 weeks....they would not leave .... their organization and work ethic is awe inspiring.  

PLEASE take a few moments to check out their website, which features Natalee and other missing people.  I apologize in advance for the long post, and will go back to just quietly reading.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


tcumom...thanks for posting that. I live outside Houston and their work is well known in this area. A very well-respected group! Pray for their safety as they assist the Aruban LE in the search for Natalee.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Bill's kids are gonna hate life at 16, 17 & 18.  

This cop is also a bit seperated from reality.  This guy couldn't tell the graduates what to do any more than they could tell him what to do.  

Women and men for that matter are drugged or misled all the time, no matter their age.  

Remember, ANYONE can be a victim of a crime.


Anyone want to volunteer to be Bill O'Reilly's kid?


No, But I was probably just as bad. My kid had to call me every hour on her senior trip...


Title: Deepak's friend
Post by: ChytownEd on June 20, 2005, 09:29:27 PM
I'm just catching up, trying to read through the last few posts on 13 and the new ones here.

When you mentioned Deepak's friend earlier, did you mean the one from the  internet cafe? I think the name was Angelina Rivas. Don't know if this is who you have in mind.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 09:29:36 PM
They will probably do the same type of interview as before--one in Aruba and the other in Alabama.

Interesting interview with defense attorney expert.  

It is obvious that the systm is very careful with witness versus suspect.

More so that we probably are in this country.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:29:48 PM
You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?[/quote]

no...not a million for sure....
it was 700... someone back me up here????
please don't make me go
look back to be sure...
if i see anyof this thru rewind
surely i will lose my cabeza!



u can tell how long it takes me to type....
u are already up 3 pages....just guessing. :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
[

evidently you don't know me! Just keep sitting on your porch and looking at the river!


 or jump in

HEADFIRST!!

sorry to edit but i think there was
mention of mug/t-shirt for hitting 700


You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?



DF...you may be one of the next ones to get that cyber backrub  :wink:


Where have you been Kerin!!!?!!!![/quote]
I had to actually feed people in this house! For some reason they think they need to eat 3 times a day!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 09:31:38 PM
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:31:43 PM
they have been advertising that greta is in Aruba so i tiwll probably be a satellite interview.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:32:10 PM
You know, Kerin, my kids think that too...where do they get that information?  Who told them that?  I'm trying to convince them that everyone else eats frozen dinners and spaghettios for every meal too.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
i to pray and feel she is still alive and will be brought home safe.  I am through RB say what you want.


Now bobcats, don't go away mad - we can agree to disagree. I just have a different view than you do, that's all.  Don't take it personally, just take it for what it is.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Somebody puhhleasee send me a link on the supposed "suicide attempt" greatly appreciated!


that news is on SM page one I think, Nikki


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tcumom on June 20, 2005, 09:33:04 PM
Kerin - thanks for the heads-up on eqquesearch - Tim Miller is an incredible man.

I live in Georgetown - 30 miles north of Austin.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I thought it was just "discussion" about this topic...didn't seem to be anything harmful.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:34:42 PM
nancy, you must think I'm a troll to the extreme then, because the guy only has 5 posts and he was asking about what he heard, that's all.  What's the big deal?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 20, 2005, 09:35:09 PM
RB I am symbolically reaching my hand out to shake yours.  I read your post to veem.  I agree totally with you.  Sorry I have just gotten to emotionally involved in this


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
You're almost there!!!!  It's a cyber back rub for 1 million if I recall correctly.  You trying to get that too?


no...not a million for sure....
it was 700... someone back me up here????
please don't make me go
look back to be sure...
if i see anyof this thru rewind
surely i will lose my cabeza!



u can tell how long it takes me to type....
u are already up 3 pages....just guessing. :roll:[/quote]

FOM, in your case I am sure the 700 posts qualifies you  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
RB I am symbolically reaching my hand out to shake yours.  I read your post to veem.  I agree totally with you.  Sorry I have just gotten to emotionally involved in this


I understand - my "opinion" (and we all got one, just like butts, they say) is just my view and not meant to be taken personally.  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:36:34 PM
Thank you ((( KERIN))))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: hope on June 20, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:37:34 PM
People  People  People People
Lets try to be together
Know one is better then you and
Your not better than me.
We are just
People  People  People People

.” U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Somebody puhhleasee send me a link on the supposed "suicide attempt" greatly appreciated!


i think it is not official


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


Why do we want a hermaphroite banned?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Somebody puhhleasee send me a link on the supposed "suicide attempt" greatly appreciated!


that news is on SM page one I think, Nikki

It was an Aruban paper, here is the link to the translated version:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=18603&highlight=&sid=d9c5e3b4ce58d3c887364d3deac7f4ec#18603


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


I've gone back a few pages and can't find what this person did that makes them a troll?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
You know, Kerin, my kids think that too...where do they get that information?  Who told them that?  I'm trying to convince them that everyone else eats frozen dinners and spaghettios for every meal too.

 :D I actually ran out one night to Boston Market and then put it in my own pots/pans to make it looked like I cooked it. LMAO


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?


Ok, thanks

Publisher of the Birmingham Balck and White. He was in Aruba for a firsthand account of the Natalee Holloway story.
[/quote]

OK, but who is the official?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 09:38:36 PM
Greta is on Fox, right? just making sure


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


Why do we want a hermaphroite banned?


what is hermaphroite... talk about hunt and peck! :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 09:39:30 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


I've gone back a few pages and can't find what this person did that makes them a troll?


People are getting crazy...I didn't think this person was a troll either.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


I believe hermaphroite would be the word-


Who do you thik is the troll ?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
You know, Kerin, my kids think that too...where do they get that information?  Who told them that?  I'm trying to convince them that everyone else eats frozen dinners and spaghettios for every meal too.

 :D I actually ran out one night to Boston Market and then put it in my own pots/pans to make it looked like I cooked it. LMAO


lol, Kerin!!!  Only problem is my kids KNOW I don't cook as good as Chef Boyaredee (did I spell that right?)!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:40:50 PM
People are getting crazy...I didn't think this person was a troll either

blfit, you got that right :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: writergal on June 20, 2005, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
RB I am symbolically reaching my hand out to shake yours.  I read your post to veem.  I agree totally with you.  Sorry I have just gotten to emotionally involved in this


I understand - my "opinion" (and we all got one, just like butts, they say) is just my view and not meant to be taken personally.  :D



   On Thread Nine, I wrote a defense of Natalee's parents' decision to allow her to go to Aruba (some people had slammed them for this) and for some reason my comments (totally pro N and her folks) made MBHS05 angry. It sort of discourages your desire to comment further.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 09:41:34 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I apologize if I mixed him with someone else.  And then saw the rather question about believing the news article. I have been reading far too fast and I send my apologies and will tell Red and Tom I made an error.  I was wrong.

My bad.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:42:29 PM
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:42:39 PM
hermaphrodite, perhaps? :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
You know, Kerin, my kids think that too...where do they get that information?  Who told them that?  I'm trying to convince them that everyone else eats frozen dinners and spaghettios for every meal too.

 :D I actually ran out one night to Boston Market and then put it in my own pots/pans to make it looked like I cooked it. LMAO


lol, Kerin!!!  Only problem is my kids KNOW I don't cook as good as Chef Boyaredee (did I spell that right?)!!!


Would you like some res……O……peees?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I apologize if I mixed him with someone else.  And then saw the rather question about believing the news article. I have been reading far too fast and I send my apologies and will tell Red and Tom I made an error.  I was wrong.

My bad.


That's cool...I just thought I was missing something somewhere!!!   :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 09:44:14 PM
Again, my apologies.  This is what can happen when you've got three windows of posts open to try and catch up.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 20, 2005, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I apologize if I mixed him with someone else.  And then saw the rather question about believing the news article. I have been reading far too fast and I send my apologies and will tell Red and Tom I made an error.  I was wrong.

My bad.


Nancy, it is all cool.

T


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


I didn't see it.  Cartoons are on until 9.  All of these stories break my heart though.


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"

OK, but who is the official?


The article does not say and we do not have a list of investigators on the case.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 09:45:11 PM
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:45:51 PM
DF, maybe tomorrow night you should consider Chinese delivery for a change?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?

Until God tells us otherwise.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:46:07 PM
On Thread Nine, I wrote a defense of Natalee's parents' decision to allow her to go to Aruba (some people had slammed them for this) and for some reason my comments (totally pro N and her folks) made MBHS05 angry. It sort of discourages your desire to comment further

writergal, that's why I'm posting what I have been tonight.  People are very emotional about this case, and feel somewhat intimately involved in it so much, that normal comprehension and tolerance for other views just seems to evaporate. I've decided that I'll be the poster child for tolerance...yeah that's me, stickin' my neck out trying to dodge all the axes ;)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:46:39 PM
Cant we ALL just get along???

Anyways, do you guys know how hard it is to stay focused on this board AND tend to a toddler? I know my child thinks I have abandoned her..lol...
Its all about the kraft Mac-and Cheese.....lol...

O, its almost time for Greta!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:47:08 PM
Hey Nancy....guess what that tells us???

YOU ARE HUMAN  :D

(it's all good)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Cant we ALL just get along???

Anyways, do you guys know how hard it is to stay focused on this board AND tend to a toddler? I know my child thinks I have abandoned her..lol...
Its all about the kraft Mac-and Cheese.....lol...

O, its almost time for Greta!!!


We are nikki...go feed your kid, woman...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:47:33 PM
Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?[/quote]

I thought it was just "discussion" about this topic...didn't seem to be anything harmful.[/quote]

in light of everything and IMHFO
there is a possibility that NH family would not pay that official sh*t
and it is not reported this was a first hand meeting...
at the same time leaving room to entertain more productive assistance
should those avenues be required.


can i get extra points if i type like i know how guys??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


OMG kerin, i saw it...it was Horrible....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I thought it was just "discussion" about this topic...didn't seem to be anything harmful.[/quote]

in light of everything and IMHFO
there is a possibility that NH family would not pay that official sh*t
and it is not reported this was a first hand meeting...
at the same time leaving room to entertain more productive assistance
should those avenues be required.


can i get extra points if i type like i know how guys??[/quote]

4 more post!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


there is no better place to pray, huh Dallas? the sound of waves and the wind make you feel one with God.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF, maybe tomorrow night you should consider Chinese delivery for a change?


Pizza...I always win with pizza.  I'm the best mom in the world when there is pizza!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Cant we ALL just get along???

Anyways, do you guys know how hard it is to stay focused on this board AND tend to a toddler? I know my child thinks I have abandoned her..lol...
Its all about the kraft Mac-and Cheese.....lol...

O, its almost time for Greta!!!


Amen to that!! My 2 year old keeps climbing on top of the desk. I post in between play dough fights and coloring on the sofa. She's asleep for now.......   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: "RB"
On Thread Nine, I wrote a defense of Natalee's parents' decision to allow her to go to Aruba (some people had slammed them for this) and for some reason my comments (totally pro N and her folks) made MBHS05 angry. It sort of discourages your desire to comment further

writergal, that's why I'm posting what I have been tonight.  People are very emotional about this case, and feel somewhat intimately involved in it so much, that normal comprehension and tolerance for other views just seems to evaporate. I've decided that I'll be the poster child for tolerance...yeah that's me, stickin' my neck out trying to dodge all the axes ;)


And it's got to be very emotional for those girls anyway...I think that maybe sometimes they don't see things as others would.  They are trying to defend her and her family at all costs which is understandable.  There wasn't anything wrong with your post...I just think they look at it from a different view point.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sarah on June 20, 2005, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


OMG kerin, i saw it...it was Horrible....


That poor woman.  Did you notice how hard and fast the investigators have hit this terrible situation?  Hope he will be found soon.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: "writergal"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
RB I am symbolically reaching my hand out to shake yours.  I read your post to veem.  I agree totally with you.  Sorry I have just gotten to emotionally involved in this


I understand - my "opinion" (and we all got one, just like butts, they say) is just my view and not meant to be taken personally.  :D



   On Thread Nine, I wrote a defense of Natalee's parents' decision to allow her to go to Aruba (some people had slammed them for this) and for some reason my comments (totally pro N and her folks) made MBHS05 angry. It sort of discourages your desire to comment further.


Natalie’s parents' are not a fault and you should not have defend yourself


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I thought it was just "discussion" about this topic...didn't seem to be anything harmful.[/quote]

in light of everything and IMHFO
there is a possibility that NH family would not pay that official sh*t
and it is not reported this was a first hand meeting...
at the same time leaving room to entertain more productive assistance
should those avenues be required.


can i get extra points if i type like i know how guys??[/quote]

friend, either way you post is fine.  I like the blog shorthand, very cool.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Asked a couple questions and talked about BW paper? Whats up?


I thought it was just "discussion" about this topic...didn't seem to be anything harmful.[/quote]

in light of everything and IMHFO
there is a possibility that NH family would not pay that official sh*t
and it is not reported this was a first hand meeting...
at the same time leaving room to entertain more productive assistance
should those avenues be required.


can i get extra points if i type like i know how guys??[/quote]

Don't you know?  We give you extra points if your post is even remotely legible!!!!   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 09:51:18 PM
almost Greta time


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


OMG kerin, i saw it...it was Horrible....


Now I have 2 faces stuck in my mind...Natalee's and Brennan's.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


there is no better place to pray, huh Dallas? the sound of waves and the wind make you feel one with God.


I stared at the waves a long time and I decided that God doesn't tow under what God doesn't want towed under.  The sea rolls a lot more things into the shoreline than out from the shoreline.  In His abundance, His design of the planet is perfect in every way.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 09:52:44 PM
Any News About The News?
.” U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:53:04 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


OMG kerin, i saw it...it was Horrible....


That poor woman.  Did you notice how hard and fast the investigators have hit this terrible situation?  Hope he will be found soon.




You guys, its times like these that i wish i were rich...i'd hire a nanny, pack her and the kids up, we'd hop a plane and I would be in utah in a minute searching for that baby...his mom was PATHETIC begging for volunteers...my heart aches for her....BTW, I would have ALREADY been in Aruba...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: "SPSII"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Cant we ALL just get along???

Anyways, do you guys know how hard it is to stay focused on this board AND tend to a toddler? I know my child thinks I have abandoned her..lol...
Its all about the kraft Mac-and Cheese.....lol...

O, its almost time for Greta!!!


Amen to that!! My 2 year old keeps climbing on top of the desk. I post in between play dough fights and coloring on the sofa. She's asleep for now.......   :lol:


sleeping like a baby is good...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 20, 2005, 09:53:33 PM
Man - I post something that I read and before I realize it - I am posting about something that has been discussed, decided and everyone else has moved on.   That's what I get for actually leaving the computer.  Anyways...once again, I meant no disrespect for NYC and nor was I trying to compare crime rates.  But anywho, it looks like Fox right now will have the stuff from Current Affair that was on earlier tonight.  

Also, in regards to kids and journals....my daughter has had a journal on livejournal for a long time.  I have never liked it and I have always tried to make sure she didn't share too much personal stuff but it's so hard because even I know, when you are a kid you think nothing bad can ever happen to you.  I know I didn't and I know I did some really really stupid things and am amazed it all turned out OK.  Who knows why it happens the way it does.  The old saying the wrong place at the wrong time.  It just stinks that it has to happen that way!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:53:45 PM
The truth hurts sometimes. He was there for two weeks, he should know.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


there is no better place to pray, huh Dallas? the sound of waves and the wind make you feel one with God.


I stared at the waves a long time and I decided that God doesn't tow under what God doesn't want towed under.  The sea rolls a lot more things into the shoreline than out from the shoreline.  In His abundance, His design of the planet is perfect in every way.


Very perfectly put.  I'm nowhere near the ocean, but you honestly just made me sea and hear it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF, maybe tomorrow night you should consider Chinese delivery for a change?


Pizza...I always win with pizza.  I'm the best mom in the world when there is pizza!!!!


yeah you can pull that off with young kids but in this house it would take 5 pizzas, breadsticks, salads, wings and dessert and then an hour later everyone would be screaming for popcorn!  :roll:


Title: Re: Reply
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
Chuck Geiss
June 16, 2005

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.


Ok...who is Chuck Geiss and why should I believe this to be fact?



Ok, thanks

Publisher of the Birmingham Balck and White. He was in Aruba for a firsthand account of the Natalee Holloway story.


Quote
OK, but who is the official?

I have no idea?


Title: Re: Correction...
Post by: KKM on June 20, 2005, 09:55:34 PM
[/quote]

Maybe she is on via sat. like she was on Bill O?[/quote]Could be.  She's not at the Memorial Wall though.  I guess I could've just waited til 9pm like a normal person.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 09:55:49 PM
Email him. Look up the Black and White on the internet and maybe he will tell since he has left the island.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF, maybe tomorrow night you should consider Chinese delivery for a change?


Pizza...I always win with pizza.  I'm the best mom in the world when there is pizza!!!!


yeah you can pull that off with young kids but in this house it would take 5 pizzas, breadsticks, salads, wings and dessert and then an hour later everyone would be screaming for popcorn!  :roll:


AMEN SISTAH...I am not the only one who feels like a short order cook am i? I feel like my azz is ALWAYS in the kitchen..OOOH...here comes Greta!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


there is no better place to pray, huh Dallas? the sound of waves and the wind make you feel one with God.


I stared at the waves a long time and I decided that God doesn't tow under what God doesn't want towed under.  The sea rolls a lot more things into the shoreline than out from the shoreline.  In His abundance, His design of the planet is perfect in every way.

very nice way of thinking.......


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...anyone just see that interview on FOX with the missing boy from Utah's parents?? GEEZ...my keyboard may short curcuit any second from tears


OMG kerin, i saw it...it was Horrible....


That poor woman.  Did you notice how hard and fast the investigators have hit this terrible situation?  Hope he will be found soon.




You guys, its times like these that i wish i were rich...i'd hire a nanny, pack her and the kids up, we'd hop a plane and I would be in utah in a minute searching for that baby...his mom was PATHETIC begging for volunteers...my heart aches for her....BTW, I would have ALREADY been in Aruba...

OMG I agree. When she started begging for other scout leaders I lost it!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tracyleem on June 20, 2005, 09:59:05 PM
I know this fourum has been a great resource for all of us,  and while I do find  that this forum has been helpful and it has been intriging as to the different senarios...it's really unsettling that news /Fox/ is reporting...it must be so usettling to everyone affliated with this case to have so many variables left unanswerred...what no ONE has said from any network is that one of the suspects has tried to HANG!!! themselves...no, the network has not stated this to be fact ; can anyone collaborate this???

ugh, this has just become such a huge "heavy" for Aruba...I love Aruba...we go every year...will go back again........just VERY, VERY  DISSAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT ARUBA LOVES AMERICANS AND THAT WE PROVIDE 75% OF THEIR TOURISM...LET OUR FBI,POLICE, PRIVATE INVEST., UNDERCOVR. INFORMTS, ETC.C HELP!!!! give the usa the CHANCE to Help...best of luck!!!

Prayers and our best for the return of Natalee to her family!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 09:59:44 PM
Greta's on: should be good, knowing her :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:00:10 PM
:::checking out to watch Greta::::
well maybe


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:00:31 PM
Be back...GRETA!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: "tracyleem"
I know this fourum has been a great resource for all of us,  and while I do find  that this forum has been helpful and it has been intriging as to the different senarios...it's really unsettling that news /Fox/ is reporting...it must be so usettling to everyone affliated with this case to have so many variables left unanswerred...what no ONE has said from any network is that one of the suspects has tried to HANG!!! themselves...no, the network has not stated this to be fact ; can anyone collaborate this???

ugh, this has just become such a huge "heavy" for Aruba...I love Aruba...we go every year...will go back again........just VERY, VERY  DISSAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT ARUBA LOVES AMERICANS AND THAT WE PROVIDE 75% OF THEIR TOURISM...LET OUR FBI,POLICE, PRIVATE INVEST., UNDERCOVR. INFORMTS, ETC.C HELP!!!! give the usa the CHANCE to Help...best of luck!!!

Prayers and our best for the return of Natalee to her family!!


True no MSM has reported this just one paper in Aruba this morning.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Just got in from a walk on the beach.  yes the beach.  I'm travelling on business.

It gave me some time to pray.

We still have every reason to believe that Natalee remains alive, is that correct?


there is no better place to pray, huh Dallas? the sound of waves and the wind make you feel one with God.


I stared at the waves a long time and I decided that God doesn't tow under what God doesn't want towed under.  The sea rolls a lot more things into the shoreline than out from the shoreline.  In His abundance, His design of the planet is perfect in every way.


Very perfectly put.  I'm nowhere near the ocean, but you honestly just made me sea and hear it.

Oh my, so very eloquent! You are so very right, and He is the only one in control. We just have to put this in God's hands and know He is the absolute power.
Blessings to all~~~~


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 10:01:34 PM
From Dan Riehl's site:

And if in the mood for TV, Tim Miller from Equussearch, the group heading to Aruba, is on MSNBC at 10PM.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: icey on June 20, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
Hello all, I have been lurking for some time now and have been following this story from the stats. I have join in somehow, before I explode...

I am a middle aged man from the US midwest, and I am really devastated by the loss of Natalee Holloway. I feel pain and anger over the treatment of Natalee by these 3, 4 or more punks. I must say that these punks almost make me embarassed to be a man. It sounds strange, but I really am so done with all the macho BS and the crime and terror the male sex is capable of.  I know, women can do these things too, but men are the usual culprits.  No need to discuss this any further here.

Now...

I wish to extend my deepest regret and sympathy to Natalee's family and friends for this ordeal. And I send my prayers to Natalee, and wish that I could turn back the clock and stop this crime before it started.

I trust the FBI and other US organizations are doing everything humanly possible and are leaving no stone unturned, helping the family every step of the way. This is what a US citizen should expect and receive.

Once again, God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. I am not very religious, but I feel so helpless and prayer is all I can do!  These are the times when one turns to God for help.

To our Aruban friends: I am an American who does not blame Aruba for the crime, but I am watching the investigation.  If these punks walk on a stupid story (I dropped her off at HI or I left her sleeping on the beach) it will be hard to forgive.

icey


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 10:02:16 PM
Off to see Greta, I'll be back!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:03:02 PM
Read below - this is from a nationally recognized insider cable journalism blog.  TELL ME that Fox's coverage of the Natalee Holloway case isn't getting seen.....  (PS - the bug spray reference is that Fox is getting investigated by OSHA for employee compliants about insecticide sprayed in the Fox's NYC building)

"Bug spray or not, once again FNC somehow managed to double the other three nets COMBINED in primetime Friday," an e-mailer says. Another e-mailer put it this way: "1 FNC = 8.5 MSNBC's." Here are all the numbers:

Total viewers:

Total day: FNC: 932,000 / CNN: 371,000 / MSNBC: 171,000 / HLN: 238,000 / CNBC: 108,000

Primetime: FNC: 1,821,000 / CNN: 562,000 / MSNBC: 172,000 / HLN: 430,000 / CNBC: 77,000

25-54 demographic:

Total day: FNC: 307,000 / CNN: 104,000 / MSNBC: 57,000 / HLN: 107,000 / CNBC: 35,000

Primetime: FNC: 548,000 / CNN: 188,000 / MSNBC: 71,000 / HLN: 146,000 / CNBC: 42,000

The hourlies:

6pm: Hume: 1,292,000 / Dobbs: 472,000 / Abrams: 239,000 / Mad Money: 193,000

7pm: Shep: 1,239,000 / Cooper (sub host): 407,000 / Hardball: 181,000 / Showbiz: 187,000 / Conan: 88,000

8pm: O'Reilly: 2,000,000 / Zahn: 393,000 / Countdown (sub host): 134,000 / Grace: 551,000 / Contender: 102,000

9pm: H&C: 1,793,000 / King: 830,000 / Situation: 172,000 / Prime News: 287,000 / Mad Money repeat: 83,000

10pm: Greta: 1,670,000 / NewsNight: 463,000 / Scarborough: 210,000 / Grace repeat: 452,000 / Deutsch repeat: 45,000


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:03:28 PM
Beth Holloway Twitty on NOW on Greta!!

Poor woman, my heart goes out to her, so strong !


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:03:51 PM
God Bless You, Icey


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Read below - this is from a nationally recognized insider cable journalism blog.  TELL ME that Fox's coverage of the Natalee Holloway case isn't getting seen.....  (PS - the bug spray reference is that Fox is getting investigated by OSHA for employee compliants about insecticide sprayed in the Fox's NYC building)

"Bug spray or not, once again FNC somehow managed to double the other three nets COMBINED in primetime Friday," an e-mailer says. Another e-mailer put it this way: "1 FNC = 8.5 MSNBC's." Here are all the numbers:

Total viewers:

Total day: FNC: 932,000 / CNN: 371,000 / MSNBC: 171,000 / HLN: 238,000 / CNBC: 108,000

Primetime: FNC: 1,821,000 / CNN: 562,000 / MSNBC: 172,000 / HLN: 430,000 / CNBC: 77,000

25-54 demographic:

Total day: FNC: 307,000 / CNN: 104,000 / MSNBC: 57,000 / HLN: 107,000 / CNBC: 35,000

Primetime: FNC: 548,000 / CNN: 188,000 / MSNBC: 71,000 / HLN: 146,000 / CNBC: 42,000

The hourlies:

6pm: Hume: 1,292,000 / Dobbs: 472,000 / Abrams: 239,000 / Mad Money: 193,000

7pm: Shep: 1,239,000 / Cooper (sub host): 407,000 / Hardball: 181,000 / Showbiz: 187,000 / Conan: 88,000

8pm: O'Reilly: 2,000,000 / Zahn: 393,000 / Countdown (sub host): 134,000 / Grace: 551,000 / Contender: 102,000

9pm: H&C: 1,793,000 / King: 830,000 / Situation: 172,000 / Prime News: 287,000 / Mad Money repeat: 83,000

10pm: Greta: 1,670,000 / NewsNight: 463,000 / Scarborough: 210,000 / Grace repeat: 452,000 / Deutsch repeat: 45,000


Great Stats RB.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: "icey"
Hello all, I have been lurking for some time now and have been following this story from the stats. I have join in somehow, before I explode...

I am a middle aged man from the US midwest, and I am really devastated by the loss of Natalee Holloway. I feel pain and anger over the treatment of Natalee by these 3, 4 or more punks. I must say that these punks almost make me embarassed to be a man. It sounds strange, but I really am so done with all the macho BS and the crime and terror the male sex is capable of.  I know, women can do these things too, but men are the usual culprits.  No need to discuss this any further here.

Now...

I wish to extend my deepest regret and sympathy to Natalee's family and friends for this ordeal. And I send my prayers to Natalee, and wish that I could turn back the clock and stop this crime before it started.

I trust the FBI and other US organizations are doing everything humanly possible and are leaving no stone unturned, helping the family every step of the way. This is what a US citizen should expect and receive.

Once again, God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. I am not very religious, but I feel so helpless and prayer is all I can do!  These are the times when one turns to God for help.

To our Aruban friends: I am an American who does not blame Aruba for the crime, but I am watching the investigation.  If these punks walk on a stupid story (I dropped her off at HI or I left her sleeping on the beach) it will be hard to forgive.

icey

Welcome Icey....very nice post!  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:08:08 PM
hmmm....aunt on fathers side says they are "contacted" daily
mom says they are "briefed" daily-by family connections, FBI

and you can tell they both chose their words carefully

Mom says they are NOT leaving and wow...you can tell she means business


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 20, 2005, 10:08:53 PM
Hello Icey
I feel the same way.  
GutFeeling


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
hmmm....aunt on fathers side says they are "contacted" daily
mom says they are "briefed" daily-by family connections, FBI

and you can tell they both chose their words carefully

Mom says they are NOT leaving and wow...you can tell she means business


You know she is ready to kick some butt....I would be too if it were my daughter.  I feel so horrible for her.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 10:10:22 PM
Just rushed back in from watering flowers...... anxious to see Greta & damn if the husband is gonna be a tv hog!!!!!!  Can someone be so gracious as to give me a play-by-play or just keep me posted as to what's being said.  Please!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:10:37 PM
Joran approached the car and mom was holding a photo of Natalee and she said " I want my daughter" and JOran stepped back and hit his fist on his chest and said "what do you want me to do"??

That's what Mrs. Holloway said happened on the first night when they went to VDS home

ARROGANT PUNK
(sorry)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:10:52 PM
Not sure what to make of Beth's interveiw but I will watch the discussion.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Joran approached the car and mom was holding a photo of Natalee and she said " I want my daughter" and JOran stepped back and hit his fist on his chest and said "what do you want me to do"??

That's what Mrs. Holloway said happened on the first night when they went to VDS home

ARROGANT PUNK
(sorry)



Kerin my jaw dropped when she said that.  I would have knocked the crap out of him right then! :twisted:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Joran approached the car and mom was holding a photo of Natalee and she said " I want my daughter" and JOran stepped back and hit his fist on his chest and said "what do you want me to do"??

That's what Mrs. Holloway said happened on the first night when they went to VDS home

ARROGANT PUNK
(sorry)


If he really was an arrogant punk, as you say, then she rather made him pay for it, didn't she?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:11:52 PM
Welcome Icey!!
Man, BHT aint playin' is she???
Very determined woman....God Bless her...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: snorkletoes on June 20, 2005, 10:11:58 PM
Forgive me if this has previously been discussed, but could a webcam on Aruba and/or on nearby islands have picked up and archived some evidence?

A Google search on webcams and Aruba comes up with some interesting links from islands-- restaurants--cruise ships:
http://aruba-bb.com/auxfiles/cruisecams.html
http://www.bucuticam.com/index.html
http://www.bonairewebcams.com/    

Here's the basic webcam crawler link: http://www.webcamcrawler.com  and here's the link when I searched on "Aruba":
http://www.webcamcrawler.com/search/sessearch.php?cnt=10&q=Aruba

Also, aren't there some privately owned satellites that continuously fly in our skies that maybe picked up some info? Can't they 'donate' their archived satellite pics since we know the date/time of this travesty?

What about topographical internet pics - I know you have to pay $monthly to see finer granularity in those internet pics but can some companies just 'give it up' for Natalee? Geez.

Appologies if this topic has been discussed already, or if I am not posting on the right forum, or basically just way off base for that matter. Just trying to help, that's all.

My prayers to the Holloway family for comfort and guidence.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Joran approached the car and mom was holding a photo of Natalee and she said " I want my daughter" and JOran stepped back and hit his fist on his chest and said "what do you want me to do"??

That's what Mrs. Holloway said happened on the first night when they went to VDS home

ARROGANT PUNK
(sorry)


If he really was an arrogant punk, as you say, then she rather made him pay for it, didn't she?


SHE made HIM pay, RB? I don't get that line of thinking. She doesn't have the power to have him arrested.


Title: rumors of breaking news #14
Post by: wbvious on June 20, 2005, 10:13:11 PM
does anyone not think it is strange that the very same fellow who found "evidence" (sec. guard shirt/lysol/foam with teeth marks) near the beach in the Colony area (next to Seroe Colorado at the south of island) back on june 6th is the VERY SAME guy who then found the panties up by the Marriott (at other end of island) many days later...????

bit too coincidental...?

he's even (still?) wearing the exact same wardrobe in the news reports !

returning/planting the evidence?                               :!:
why hasn't he been called in for questioning....

please check out these pictures :

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_joranvandersloot_archive.html
(scroll down to "latest news" 6/16)  

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/files/vgb_pic.jpg

i believe it was MBHS05 who said yesterday that she can't help but think that that "_____ guy" (joran) took her to one of those underground parties and a bunch of people may have had their sick 'fun'...

certainly seeming that way
i just hope to God we don't hear of a snuff film years from now...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 10:13:21 PM
just back did i miss anything?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:13:34 PM
Also, aren't there some privately owned satellites that continuously fly in our skies that maybe picked up some info? Can't they 'donate' their archived satellite pics since we know the date/time of this travesty?

If there were, the FBI would be able to get them.  We'd never see them due to matters of national security (don't want the bad people knowing where we look and how often.)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:13:39 PM
I cant beleive he said that to her!!! KERIN....I am so mad now  :twisted:  Hold me back!


Title: Black & White
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 20, 2005, 10:13:41 PM
Here is the link for the Black & White. http://www.bwcitypaper.com/

The Black & White is a free paper that you can find in a lot of restaurants here in Birmingham. It lists restaurant and entertainment information but it also has a surprisingly good section in the front discussing local issues. Chuck Geiss is the publisher and he writes one of the main articles for the paper. It's called Naked Birmingham.

From an article of his that I read recently he either lives in Mountain Brook or very close by. It wouldn't be a surprise if he knows the Twittys. The article he wrote that was posted a few pages back is one of the best that I have read on this subject.

On another subject, I just saw Beth Twitty on FOX talking about Joran saying "what do you want me to do?" She must feel like she looked straight into the eyes of the devil.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Just rushed back in from watering flowers...... anxious to see Greta & damn if the husband is gonna be a tv hog!!!!!!  Can someone be so gracious as to give me a play-by-play or just keep me posted as to what's being said.  Please!!


Natalee's mom just reiterated that they are not leaving w/o Nat, and that her resolve is strong, and the same about JVDS, when she went to see him in the wee hours of the morning of 5/31 he was condescending and pounded his chest and said "what do you want me to do?" She also says since day one of the meeting, she KNOWS the 3 hold the key to where Natalee is......

I respect her resolve so much, what a great woman!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:14:32 PM
SHE made HIM pay, RB? I don't get that line of thinking. She doesn't have the power to have him arrested.

He's in jail. And has been for a bit.  I'm sure it might have given him pause for thought about what he'd said :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "icey"
Hello all, I have been lurking for some time now and have been following this story from the stats. I have join in somehow, before I explode...

I am a middle aged man from the US midwest, and I am really devastated by the loss of Natalee Holloway. I feel pain and anger over the treatment of Natalee by these 3, 4 or more punks. I must say that these punks almost make me embarassed to be a man. It sounds strange, but I really am so done with all the macho BS and the crime and terror the male sex is capable of.  I know, women can do these things too, but men are the usual culprits.  No need to discuss this any further here.

Now...

I wish to extend my deepest regret and sympathy to Natalee's family and friends for this ordeal. And I send my prayers to Natalee, and wish that I could turn back the clock and stop this crime before it started.

I trust the FBI and other US organizations are doing everything humanly possible and are leaving no stone unturned, helping the family every step of the way. This is what a US citizen should expect and receive.

Once again, God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. I am not very religious, but I feel so helpless and prayer is all I can do!  These are the times when one turns to God for help.

To our Aruban friends: I am an American who does not blame Aruba for the crime, but I am watching the investigation.  If these punks walk on a stupid story (I dropped her off at HI or I left her sleeping on the beach) it will be hard to forgive.

icey

Welcome Icey....very nice post!  :D


I could agree with you 100% IF THE ARUBANS WHERE UP FROUNT ABOUT THE CRIME in the first place
U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:14:46 PM
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:14:48 PM
Where is Mike at???????????????


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 10:15:09 PM
Um...I think what we want Joran Van Der Sloot to do is tell us where Natalee is.  Is that tough for him to fathom?

I can't imagine him responding in such a glib and unfeeling way.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 20, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I cant beleive he said that to her!!! KERIN....I am so mad now  :twisted:  Hold me back!


I can't believe he said that either.  What an a$$hole.  Go ahead and censor me. :shock:  

I'm glad that Mrs. Twitty finally answered that question and is no longer holding back.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: "RB"
SHE made HIM pay, RB? I don't get that line of thinking. She doesn't have the power to have him arrested.

He's in jail. And has been for a bit.  I'm sure it might have given him pause for thought about what he'd said :)


ok sorry  :oops:
I am so mad I am spitting on my screen


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:16:18 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


Oh, Lord, how did she refrain?? I guess she just went on the fact that she was gonna find natalee and killing him wouldnt help her...thats all i can figure.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 10:16:59 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Joran approached the car and mom was holding a photo of Natalee and she said " I want my daughter" and JOran stepped back and hit his fist on his chest and said "what do you want me to do"??

That's what Mrs. Holloway said happened on the first night when they went to VDS home

ARROGANT PUNK
(sorry)


If he really was an arrogant punk, as you say, then she rather made him pay for it, didn't she?


SHE made HIM pay, RB? I don't get that line of thinking. She doesn't have the power to have him arrested.



It was because of the Holloway's perserverance and publicv pressure on the authorities in those first few days that caused that helped bring about the arrest of the 3 boys


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 10:17:21 PM
Kerin what is on the news now.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:18:24 PM
<Breathing deeply> ok..gotta get back to Greta... :twisted:  

Is Dash coming up next?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:18:34 PM
Dash coming up next.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:18:37 PM
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me

Hey Shell, what DO the voices say ;)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


Oh, Lord, how did she refrain?? I guess she just went on the fact that she was gonna find natalee and killing him wouldnt help her...thats all i can figure.....

Yeah see that's the thing...and it's something only a mom can know (sorry dads) but WHEN YOU MESS WITH OUR BABIES YOU MESS WITH US!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I cant beleive he said that to her!!! KERIN....I am so mad now  :twisted:  Hold me back!


I can't believe he said that either.  What an a$$hole.  Go ahead and censor me. :shock:  

I'm glad that Mrs. Twitty finally answered that question and is no longer holding back.


Mrs. Twitty is one tough woman!!!!!

U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 10:19:22 PM
They tell me to get a life!!!  Get off the puter......Quit watching the news............  go to work, etc...............


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I cant beleive he said that to her!!! KERIN....I am so mad now  :twisted:  Hold me back!


I'll do it (((holding Nikki back))) now I need someone to hold ME back!!  :evil:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 10:20:28 PM
Let the scorned women go!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:20:29 PM
sorry Shell...Greta talked to Mrs. Holloway (read above for details)

Dash coming on next

I have a punding headache and my blood pressure is trough the roof!!

Nikki...I made need a nurse here!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 10:20:36 PM
You said it Kerin -- beware of the wrath of mothers!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
They tell me to get a life!!!  Get off the puter......Quit watching the news............  go to work, etc...............


I need me some voices like that...absolut, how 'bout you?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


Oh, Lord, how did she refrain?? I guess she just went on the fact that she was gonna find natalee and killing him wouldnt help her...thats all i can figure.....

Yeah see that's the thing...and it's something only a mom can know (sorry dads) but WHEN YOU MESS WITH OUR BABIES YOU MESS WITH US!



Aint that the truth...GAWD..like i have said a MILLION times before..ifthis were my child, i dare say i wouldnt be as strong as she..i'd be locked in a rubberroom somewhere babbling incoherantly..I would rather be dead than be aware for 30 seconds that one of my children were missing or dead.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Be back...GRETA!!


okay i'm on.  watch when they put the 4th guy/steve into the building
its quuiiick but if u look at the back of his shirt
I think it says      KIA......


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:21:19 PM
That's the first time Beth Twitty answered that question about her meeting with Joran.  She's been asked that many times and has refused to answer.  But, tonight she did.  Hmmmmm.

Also, why do they have this Diaro guy on?  I believe he's the one who reported they were following a car that had Natalee in it!!!  Sheesh.

Also, he stated the boat Steve works for comes in at that time (2:30 or 3:00) and he may have met one of the three then.  We were told the boat did not do a regular cruise on Sunday night.  But,  no one has said if it was out on a private party cruise.  One of the networks said they were checking on that and I never heard the answer.

Has anyone heard the answer to that?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
sorry Shell...Greta talked to Mrs. Holloway (read above for details)

Dash coming on next

I have a punding headache and my blood pressure is trough the roof!!

Nikki...I made need a nurse here!!


I'm on my way....with BP meds in tow...lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


No Doubt!!! Grrrr.... :evil:

(http://www.crackmeup.com/images/shirts/0970004D.jpg)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 10:22:03 PM
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:22:57 PM
Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it. :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


Sorry, I was watching.  Oh yes, I'm ready now.  You can tell that he flat out pis-ed her off!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
They tell me to get a life!!!  Get off the puter......Quit watching the news............  go to work, etc...............


I need me some voices like that...absolut, how 'bout you?


Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 10:24:02 PM
nothing to do with anything...i't appararently my #200 post...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:24:43 PM
ok...group hug for Dash

{{{{{{{{{{{DASH}}}}}}}}}}}}}


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: air23ac on June 20, 2005, 10:25:17 PM
ok.....i am getting annoyed here...the aruban authorities have their thumbs stuck up their____. they have already blown 3 weeks of valuable evidence collection.

i want answers soon....i get more and more pissed every time i see the mother or another family twist in the wind while criminals get another day of not confessing.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:25:18 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
ok...group hug for Dash

{{{{{{{{{{{DASH}}}}}}}}}}}}}


(((((DASH)))))))) God love ya!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it. :shock:


It which case it's plausible Joran is guilty of not getting help if Ms. Holloway had an adverse reaction.  That would make another theory here even more likely that Daddy Van der Sloot could be covering something up.

Bad, bad if true.  Speculation of course.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


No Doubt!!! Grrrr.... :evil:

(http://www.crackmeup.com/images/shirts/0970004D.jpg)


LOVE IT, DIVA!!!!


Title: Re: rumors of breaking news #14
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: "wbvious"
does anyone not think it is strange that the very same fellow who found "evidence" (sec. guard shirt/lysol/foam with teeth marks) near the beach in the Colony area (next to Seroe Colorado at the south of island) back on june 6th is the VERY SAME guy who then found the panties up by the Marriott (at other end of island) many days later...????
bit too coincidental...?
Sorry the question, but how did you know that? :?:  
Your 2nd link do not shows any face. :?
And in your 1st link it's 2 pics of the SAME event by 2 different TV stations.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:25:52 PM
Dash really has it together for an 18 year old.  At 18 there is no way that I could do what she is doing.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DAG on June 20, 2005, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
ok...group hug for Dash

{{{{{{{{{{{DASH}}}}}}}}}}}}}


Add my hug also............she is doing so good.  To be this young and put under this pressure.  God bless her.


Title: Re: rumors of breaking news #14
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: "wbvious"
does anyone not think it is strange that the very same fellow who found "evidence" (sec. guard shirt/lysol/foam with teeth marks) near the beach in the Colony area (next to Seroe Colorado at the south of island) back on june 6th is the VERY SAME guy who then found the panties up by the Marriott (at other end of island) many days later...????

bit too coincidental...?

he's even (still?) wearing the exact same wardrobe in the news reports !

returning/planting the evidence?                               :!:
why hasn't he been called in for questioning....

please check out these pictures :

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_joranvandersloot_archive.html
(scroll down to "latest news" 6/16)  

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/files/vgb_pic.jpg

i believe it was MBHS05 who said yesterday that she can't help but think that that "_____ guy" (joran) took her to one of those underground parties and a bunch of people may have had their sick 'fun'...

certainly seeming that way
i just hope to God we don't hear of a snuff film years from now...

Sorry, but I don't see the "pantie" guy in photos of the foam/sec guard shirt pic??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


No Doubt!!! Grrrr.... :evil:

(http://www.crackmeup.com/images/shirts/0970004D.jpg)


LOVE IT, DIVA!!!!


 ROFLMAO!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:26:44 PM
Quote
Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web


 :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
ok...group hug for Dash

{{{{{{{{{{{DASH}}}}}}}}}}}}}


{{{{{{{{{{{DASH}}}}}}}}}}}}}


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 20, 2005, 10:27:07 PM
gonna go watch greta bbl


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Be back...GRETA!!


okay i'm on.  watch when they put the 4th guy/steve into the building
its quuiiick but if u look at the back of his shirt
I think it says      KIA......


yes FOM...thats a prison issued shirt right?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:28:38 PM
Awwwwww......DASH!!!!!

She's doing a fabulous job!  So poised and mature.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:28:44 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it. :shock:


It which case it's plausible Joran is guilty of not getting help if Ms. Holloway had an adverse reaction.  That would make another theory here even more likely that Daddy Van der Sloot could be covering something up.

Bad, bad if true.  Speculation of course.


Joran was with them - all 3 together he will be an accessory or 2nd degree or something like that. :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote
Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web


 :shock:
<<<<<<<<Is this Jennifer Wilbanks (I found her, I found her.)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:29:46 PM
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 10:29:52 PM
I have a raging headache also.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
DF...Nikki...anyone else...how much did her anguish and her description of Joran's cockiness (her words) make you want to catch the next plane and open up a can of whoop ass???


No Doubt!!! Grrrr.... :evil:

(http://www.crackmeup.com/images/shirts/0970004D.jpg)


LOVE IT, DIVA!!!!


 ROFLMAO!


Hey! If we don't get some satisfaction soon, I'm about ready to do it.......*shrug* I wish I could go down & help :(


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:30:42 PM
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote
Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web


 :shock:
<<<<<<<<Is this Jennifer Wilbanks (I found her, I found her.)


You know, you're right.  The little shockie emoticon does look like Jennifer Wilbanks....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: a Troll on June 20, 2005, 10:31:09 PM
From what I've heard about Dutch law (here and on TV), it seems that there is no way they will be able to get a murder conviction without either a confession or a body.  It may be such that they couldn't even take a murder case to trial without one of the two.  I heard Judge Napolitano say that there was 1 case in Holland 10 years ago that was allowed to go to trial, but that he wasn't sure that it could be done in Aruba.

As a judge in training, I'm sure Joran's dad was well aware of that.  My guess is that there was some sort of accident (date rape OD, alcohol poisoning, etc) or one of the suspects became violent when NH resisted them.  Joran probably confessed to his dad, who told them to get rid of the body (maybe he even helped, if we are to believe he was seen out at 3:00 AM the night of the disappearance.

Given the delay in arresting Joran, I'm sure his dad had plenty of time to tell him to never confess.  

As to the media, they are all complaining because they want to have full access to the investigation in progress.  Giving the media full access to the investigation in progress did not result in the conviction of OJ, it resulted in the false public hanging of the first guy in the Elizabeth Smart case (who died in jail prior to going to trial), and it still took 4-5 months before there was any arrest in the Scott Peterson case.

So, I wouldn't say that the way the Aruba authorities are keeping quiet is any better or worse than our system.  I would say that the police definitely made a mistake in waiting 10 days to go after the 3 suspects.

Also, the part of the law that requires a body to prosecute a murder case is a little out of place on a 20x6 mile island where the body can easily be dumped in the ocean with little hope of it ever being found.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


Oh no, not the Jennifer Wilbanks shockie emoticon!  Another sighting!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote
Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web


 :shock:
<<<<<<<<Is this Jennifer Wilbanks (I found her, I found her.)


You know, you're right.  The little shockie emoticon does look like Jennifer Wilbanks....


yes it does, I "affectiontly" call her Crazy Eyes  :shock:  LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:32:13 PM
Hey..why dont they seize the comps from the internet cafe??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote
Mine say other stuff usually every 6 seconds but I can't post it on the web


 :shock:
<<<<<<<<Is this Jennifer Wilbanks (I found her, I found her.)


You know, you're right.  The little shockie emoticon does look like Jennifer Wilbanks....


yes it does, I "affectinately" call her Crazy Eyes  :shock:  LOL


Bless her little bug-eyed heart...LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 10:33:40 PM
Dash did great! I wonder why she and the other guy classmate are the only students from the trip to come forward so far?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:34:03 PM
diva, I damn near spit coke on my monitor. :) Don't make me whop you one...

On another "it looks like" note, Rudy "I'm dressing like Shep Smith" Trapenberg is on....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 10:34:03 PM
Older brother went to school with Joran?  Huge age difference for that.  

Who was the man giving her the tour and telling the the things.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 10:34:04 PM
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:34:24 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


OHH, I did...for awhile i couldnt get used to the "phyllis Diller face"..now its kinda grown on me.... :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


What's wrong with that look?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(

What Aruban blog sites are you going to?  I'd like to check them out also.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: JNC on June 20, 2005, 10:35:33 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Be back...GRETA!!


okay i'm on.  watch when they put the 4th guy/steve into the building
its quuiiick but if u look at the back of his shirt
I think it says      KIA......


yes FOM...thats a prison issued shirt right?


I was curious about this too.  I thought the shirt had a logo for Kia automobiles, which is ironically the name of the place where he is locked up...the prison and car company aren't the same, are they?

(http://www.kia.si/cache/sm_CI%20KiaLogo.jpg)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


yep, I'm up to a pack a day since this happened...LOL, I know I'm bad ----> slaps self


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:35:49 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(


I know.  I've seen them too and feared bringing them up here. Where there's smoke....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:36:29 PM
We already know what's going on? I don't.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:36:34 PM
That's what I like...a TROLL who actually uses the screenname of A TROLL  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey..why dont they seize the comps from the internet cafe??


First off, I'm not bashing Aruba here.  The cops don't do this enough to know what to do all the time.  This can be a good and bad thing.  It's good because there are few cases such as this...and bad because there are cases like this.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waited_too_long on June 20, 2005, 10:36:52 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I think it's time this troll waiting_too_long should be banned from the forum.  It's one thing to have an opposing opinion, but it appears this poster is here to stir things up.  

I'm writing the mods to suggest he/she/it be removed.


Sorry. I assure you I am not a troll. I last posted here some time ago but for some reason the board did not remember. Not my fault. If the Mods want to check that statement I just made with may email address they can.

This board moves pretty fast and I have been away. I have few answers, but there are a some questions that I have that some of you may know the answers to. Remember there are over a dozen FBI agents working on this case. Not your average missing person instance IMHO.


Title: Mr. v/d Sloot
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 10:36:56 PM
Another kernel of information:  

Mr. van der Sloot is a prosecutor and substtitutes for judges.  source: Jossi Mansour, owner Diario di Aruba, Greta van Sustern live.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Older brother went to school with Joran?  Huge age difference for that.  

Who was the man giving her the tour and telling the the things.


I don't get that, isn't Depak 21 yrs. old?  Why would he still be in High School?  Does anyone know if he's listed on the school website as a student?   Doesn't make sense.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: "RB"
diva, I damn near spit coke on my monitor. :) Don't make me whop you one...

On another "it looks like" note, Rudy "I'm dressing like Shep Smith" Trapenberg is on....



LOL, he sure does look like a Shep-Clone doesn't he?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(


I know.  I've seen them too and feared bringing them up here. Where there's smoke....


Could I have the link through PM please?

Dash is amazing!!! I worked in emergency management and have a communications degree. Everytime I had to do a tv interview I thought I would throw up. I've never been as calm as Dash. She has a bright future ahead of her!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 20, 2005, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it. :shock:

Man... if is that is true I guess there are too many "civilized" people with a "debt" rendez-vous with Him... The "Boss" :wink:


Title: Re: Mr. v/d Sloot
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 10:38:46 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Another kernel of information:  

Mr. van der Sloot is a prosecutor and substtitutes for judges.  source: Jossi Mansour, owner Diario di Aruba, Greta van Sustern live.


Prosecutor? For what area of the island? The entire island? Not sure how that works over there.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:38:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(

What Aruban blog sites are you going to?  I'd like to check them out also.


That particular rumor came out of riehlworldview.com the bloggers name is  islandboy.  :mrgreen:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:39:12 PM
Would love to have those links via PM as well.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:39:14 PM
((((( ARUBAGIRL))))))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: "JNC"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Be back...GRETA!!


okay i'm on.  watch when they put the 4th guy/steve into the building
its quuiiick but if u look at the back of his shirt
I think it says      KIA......


yes FOM...thats a prison issued shirt right?


I was curious about this too.  I thought the shirt had a logo for Kia automobiles, which is ironically the name of the place where he is locked up...the prison and car company aren't the same, are they?

(http://www.kia.si/cache/sm_CI%20KiaLogo.jpg)


That's where they build the cars  :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:40:18 PM
smoking nurses...self-admitted trolls....bugs (DF)....online detectives....divas...monkeys...

quite a forum!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 10:40:23 PM
That was on here earlier to day.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


yep, I'm up to a pack a day since this happened...LOL, I know I'm bad ----> slaps self


Really?  I've quit drinking since this all started.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?


Actually, I have communicated with a woman who knows the brothers. She taught both of them and tells me they are both wonderful kids.  Their family is loving and supportive.  She also said they have a 14 year old sister who is devastated by this.  Another family has taken the sister in for the time being as this is being investigated.

She also said she believes whoever is responsible should be punished.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Older brother went to school with Joran?  Huge age difference for that.  

Who was the man giving her the tour and telling the the things.


I don't get that, isn't Depak 21 yrs. old?  Why would he still be in High School?  Does anyone know if he's listed on the school website as a student?   Doesn't make sense.


Perhaps Deepak is an alumnus of ISA


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:41:43 PM
KIA stands for 'Korrektie Instituut Aruba" = Correction Institute ARuba.

FYI


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?


He just said he thought the father was a businessman.  The house looked very nice and was described as "at least upper middle class."


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:41:58 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(

What Aruban blog sites are you going to?  I'd like to check them out also.


That particular rumor came out of riehlworldview.com the bloggers name is  islandboy.  :mrgreen:


And I should be specific that I saw the same on a newsgroup (not a blog) I subscribe to.  I can make a copy/past of the emails to the newsgroup there and email them to whomever wants them - there's a lot so be prepared. PM email addys if you wish them.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: JNC on June 20, 2005, 10:42:17 PM
{BS Deleted}

That's where they build the cars  :roll:[/quote]

Here's the video:  Definitely looks like the same logo:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160063,00.html


Title: My last 2 cents' worth
Post by: Lausa on June 20, 2005, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
 Giving the media full access to the investigation in progress did not result in the conviction of OJ, it resulted in the false public hanging of the first guy in the Elizabeth Smart case (who died in jail prior to going to trial), and it still took 4-5 months before there was any arrest in the Scott Peterson case.

So, I wouldn't say that the way the Aruba authorities are keeping quiet is any better or worse than our system.  I would say that the police definitely made a mistake in waiting 10 days to go after the 3 suspects.


Troll, I'd have to agree with you on these points.  I think many people, myself included, have turned into news junkies and self-styled sleuths who neglect their own lives to vicariously live through the misery of others.  Maybe we don't need to know every detail.

And are we not quilty of comdemning Joran without having full knowledge of everything?  If he sounded like an obnoxious SOB  to Mrs. Twitty, remember this was the first day after her disappearence and if he WERE innocent, I can understand why he might ask "What do you want me to do about it?"  

Two families are hurting here and I'm keeping both of them in my prayers.   Now, I'm signing off and going to get my own house in order, so should flames ensue, I won't be here to read them.

Prayers for Twittys, Holloways, and van der Sloots.  And especially for Natalie, wherever she may be.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:43:50 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


yep, I'm up to a pack a day since this happened...LOL, I know I'm bad ----> slaps self


Really?  I've quit drinking since this all started.

QUIT? I was thinking of STARTING!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
smoking nurses...self-admitted trolls....bugs (DF)....online detectives....divas...monkeys...

quite a forum!



 :lol:  Hey, I'm DivaToo on every msg. board I post on , that way trolls know who they're dealing with. LOL  :wink:


Title: Just curious
Post by: chelsblu on June 20, 2005, 10:44:32 PM
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Title: Re: News report
Post by: lainey on June 20, 2005, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "goddess12"
I was just watching Fox News, they said that the DJ was being held on suspicion on two counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder, the same as the other three.

 Does this mean the Aruba Authorities have some evidence  that Natalies not alive? :(


Foxnews with Bill O did not report this.



I wondered about that.  I heard early in the day when they said they (the 3) were held on suspicion of murder and rape, then never heard rape again on the next reports.  This was an interview with some formal looking dude this morning I saw.  Did not catch his name.  Did anyone else see that?  If so also PM me cause I may not be able to catch up on the posts tonight. Thanks.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 10:45:11 PM
And are we not quilty of comdemning Joran without having full knowledge of everything? If he sounded like an obnoxious SOB to Mrs. Twitty, remember this was the first day after her disappearence and if he WERE innocent, I can understand why he might ask "What do you want me to do about it?"

You won't be flamed by me - people might not like reading what you say, but as far as I'm concerned that's a objective view of the possibilities of the situation.  Well said.


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 10:45:21 PM
On the video where Steve Croes has his shirt over his head, there is a woman in the background who looks distraught.  Is this woman his girlfriend or wife?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(

What Aruban blog sites are you going to?  I'd like to check them out also.


That particular rumor came out of riehlworldview.com the bloggers name is  islandboy.  :mrgreen:

Islandboy claims to have friends in Aruba.  But, he was asked what blogs he was getting his information from and he never answered.  I'm not sure if I believe what he says...why should I?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:46:08 PM
Prob. his exwife.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Would love to have those links via PM as well.


Any news from Aruba? Did I see you on misfitting? :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?


Actually, I have communicated with a woman who knows the brothers. She taught both of them and tells me they are both wonderful kids.  Their family is loving and supportive.  She also said they have a 14 year old sister who is devastated by this.  Another family has taken the sister in for the time being as this is being investigated.

She also said she believes whoever is responsible should be punished.

so just one more family affected by this....
and to have the media on your doorstep...no wonder she left


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Whitney on June 20, 2005, 10:46:29 PM
Thank goodness, Greta...FOX has finally got someone to dissect Aruba criminal procedure... explained for an American audience...that's at least 25%...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


yep, I'm up to a pack a day since this happened...LOL, I know I'm bad ----> slaps self


Really?  I've quit drinking since this all started.

QUIT? I was thinking of STARTING!


You could say this is sobering moment in my life.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:46:45 PM
No, I've only posted here and on riehlworldview


Title: Re: My last 2 cents' worth
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: "Lausa"
Quote from: "a Troll"
 Giving the media full access to the investigation in progress did not result in the conviction of OJ, it resulted in the false public hanging of the first guy in the Elizabeth Smart case (who died in jail prior to going to trial), and it still took 4-5 months before there was any arrest in the Scott Peterson case.

So, I wouldn't say that the way the Aruba authorities are keeping quiet is any better or worse than our system.  I would say that the police definitely made a mistake in waiting 10 days to go after the 3 suspects.


Troll, I'd have to agree with you on these points.  I think many people, myself included, have turned into news junkies and self-styled sleuths who neglect their own lives to vicariously live through the misery of others.  Maybe we don't need to know every detail.

And are we not quilty of comdemning Joran without having full knowledge of everything?  If he sounded like an obnoxious SOB  to Mrs. Twitty, remember this was the first day after her disappearence and if he WERE innocent, I can understand why he might ask "What do you want me to do about it?"  

Two families are hurting here and I'm keeping both of them in my prayers.   Now, I'm signing off and going to get my own house in order, so should flames ensue, I won't be here to read them.

Prayers for Twittys, Holloways, and van der Sloots.  And especially for Natalie, wherever she may be.


I fully agree with you.  We really don't know.  One major fact that gives me pause is the fact that the three boys lied!!!  That doesn't mean they are all guilty...but, it sure leads you to believe they have something to hide!!!  Anything could have happened that night...

I do feel deeply for all of these families.  Of course, for the Twittys and Holloways first and foremost. But, by most accounts these three boys are from good loving families.  The parents and siblings must be broken hearted right now.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
KIA stands for 'Korrektie Instituut Aruba" = Correction Institute ARuba.

FYI


thanks Arubagirl. I kept wondering if the car company built the prison or was associated in some way (I know...I know...blonde moment)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
smoking nurses...self-admitted trolls....bugs (DF)....online detectives....divas...monkeys...

quite a forum!


Isn't it great Kerin?  We are quite a bunch aren't we?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "RB"
inspector, we are not going to be popular people for those posts...we think too much alike.


I'm just posting the blogs I read on other sites. Rumor or fact. I guess they're all rumors from our standpoint. It appears the Aruban bloggers allready know what happened from the interrogation of the 4 suspects. :(

What Aruban blog sites are you going to?  I'd like to check them out also.


That particular rumor came out of riehlworldview.com the bloggers name is  islandboy.  :mrgreen:

Islandboy claims to have friends in Aruba.  But, he was asked what blogs he was getting his information from and he never answered.  I'm not sure if I believe what he says...why should I?


I don't know what to believe either, like I said I just post the stuff. Last week CNN was reporting a confession and a body - when I switched to FOX they said it was all false. :oops:


Title: Re: My last 2 cents' worth
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: "Lausa"
Quote from: "a Troll"
 Giving the media full access to the investigation in progress did not result in the conviction of OJ, it resulted in the false public hanging of the first guy in the Elizabeth Smart case (who died in jail prior to going to trial), and it still took 4-5 months before there was any arrest in the Scott Peterson case.

So, I wouldn't say that the way the Aruba authorities are keeping quiet is any better or worse than our system.  I would say that the police definitely made a mistake in waiting 10 days to go after the 3 suspects.


Troll, I'd have to agree with you on these points.  I think many people, myself included, have turned into news junkies and self-styled sleuths who neglect their own lives to vicariously live through the misery of others.  Maybe we don't need to know every detail.

And are we not quilty of comdemning Joran without having full knowledge of everything?  If he sounded like an obnoxious SOB  to Mrs. Twitty, remember this was the first day after her disappearence and if he WERE innocent, I can understand why he might ask "What do you want me to do about it?"  

Two families are hurting here and I'm keeping both of them in my prayers.   Now, I'm signing off and going to get my own house in order, so should flames ensue, I won't be here to read them.

Prayers for Twittys, Holloways, and van der Sloots.  And especially for Natalie, wherever she may be.


He was just very lucky she didn't knock the crap out of him. I would have lost it right then and there and believe me he would tell me everything that happened. How could you say that about him not knowing when he keeps lying!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
where are my damn cigarettes?? cant find 'em anywhere..and yes, i am a smoking nurse...deal with it...lol if i didnt, i'd look like this.. :shock:


yep, I'm up to a pack a day since this happened...LOL, I know I'm bad ----> slaps self


Really?  I've quit drinking since this all started.

QUIT? I was thinking of STARTING!


You could say this is sobering moment in my life.


Sorry, I had to stop & pick up a 6 pack tonight, I think I'm too emotionally involved in this. I cried this morning for Natalee asking God to bring her home alive & safe.... Sometimes I think I'm losin' it  :cry:


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Well a week ago the stepfather admitted to having an encounter with them but said he couldn't comment because it could hinder the investigation.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 10:49:45 PM
I had to feed my kids (imagine that) and tivo'd Greta...I have it on pause just after interviewing the MB student.  Is that Dash??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 20, 2005, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
No, I've only posted here and on riehlworldview


There was a blog that said there was an "Aruban message board" that was "closed down" a few days after the Holloway story broke. Do you know anything about that? :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:50:29 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
I had to feed my kids (imagine that) and tivo'd Greta...I have it on pause just after interviewing the MB student.  Is that Dash??


Thats DASH!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 20, 2005, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"


Also, why do they have this Diaro guy on?  I believe he's the one who reported they were following a car that had Natalee in it!!!  Sheesh.

Also, he stated the boat Steve works for comes in at that time (2:30 or 3:00) and he may have met one of the three then.  We were told the boat did not do a regular cruise on Sunday night.  But,  no one has said if it was out on a private party cruise.  One of the networks said they were checking on that and I never heard the answer.

Has anyone heard the answer to that?


Nancy_Drew The guy on Greta works at Diario, but he's not the editor that made the car claim.  They interviewed that guy earlier tonight.  I don't remember his name, but he is much older than the guy on Greta.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 10:50:48 PM
Steve Croes may hold the key, if he was boating that night.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 20, 2005, 10:50:48 PM
Now they are at Steve Croes' place. :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ting on June 20, 2005, 10:50:58 PM
One of the brothers, the guy said, goes to the International School, if I heard him correctly. I think it has been reported that Joran also goes to the International School.

But what I noticed in that interview (aside from the assessing socio economic status on the porch) was that the neighbor or whoever it was, was only able to say that the father owned a "company."

And Greta did not press him on what kind of company, maybe he doesn't know. Does anybody know? Is it a secret?


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Well a week ago the stepfather admitted to having an encounter with them but said he couldn't comment because it could hinder the investigation.

Thanks for the info, but I still thought I saw BHT say they went to JVS's home I MUST be 1 card short of a deck by now. *shakes head*  :(


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wvlady on June 20, 2005, 10:51:16 PM
Great job, Dash...

goodnight everyone


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: ChytownEd on June 20, 2005, 10:51:30 PM
It speaks well for Natalee that she has a friend like "Dash." What was it our parents always told us? "You are known by the company you keep."  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


 :oops: ooppss...sorry Cali! I was staring at the TV in disbelief


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


Caligirl, Actually the opposite.  The Kalpoe's house appears bigger than the Van der Sloots' house.  The reporter also said that Deepak went to school with Jaron (even though he's 4 years older).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:51:57 PM
Is it just me, or when they say"tatoo" does anybody else think, "look boss! Da plane  Da plane!!"...maybe its just me.... :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
One of the brothers, the guy said, goes to the International School, if I heard him correctly. I think it has been reported that Joran also goes to the International School.

But what I noticed in that interview (aside from the assessing socio economic status on the porch) was that the neighbor or whoever it was, was only able to say that the father owned a "company."

And Greta did not press him on what kind of company, maybe he doesn't know. Does anybody know? Is it a secret?


Thank you Ting..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"


Also, why do they have this Diaro guy on?  I believe he's the one who reported they were following a car that had Natalee in it!!!  Sheesh.

Also, he stated the boat Steve works for comes in at that time (2:30 or 3:00) and he may have met one of the three then.  We were told the boat did not do a regular cruise on Sunday night.  But,  no one has said if it was out on a private party cruise.  One of the networks said they were checking on that and I never heard the answer.

Has anyone heard the answer to that?


Nancy_Drew The guy on Greta works at Diario, but he's not the editor that made the car claim.  They interviewed that guy earlier tonight.  I don't remember his name, but he is much older than the guy on Greta.


I'm not referring to the guy with her now, the one touring her around.  I'm talking about the chubby guy with glasses they had on earlier.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pickettvilleguy on June 20, 2005, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey..why dont they seize the comps from the internet cafe??


First off, I'm not bashing Aruba here.  The cops don't do this enough to know what to do all the time.  This can be a good and bad thing.  It's good because there are few cases such as this...and bad because there are cases like this.


BS
One drive by. A beheading. And 2 missing person’s writhen one week.
They say it's safe OK so this must be normal and no big deal!!

Dealing with this as being normal THEY SHOULD BE GOOD AT IT..

BUT!!!!! There NOT

U MESS WITH NATALEE  you MESS WITH WITH ME.  That’s the way it will be


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:53:07 PM
"Steve Croes...DJ only...doesn;t even know how to "run" the boat."


isn't that different than what we had been told??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: da wench on June 20, 2005, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "da wench"
I had to feed my kids (imagine that) and tivo'd Greta...I have it on pause just after interviewing the MB student.  Is that Dash??


Thats DASH!!!


Awwwww what a doll!  Okay...now I gotta watch the rest of Greta and try to catch up later.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: AzRose on June 20, 2005, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Is it just me, or when they say"tatoo" does anybody else think, "look boss! Da plane  Da plane!!"...maybe its just me.... :oops:


Trust me, it's not just you. . . LOL


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: JNC on June 20, 2005, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Well a week ago the stepfather admitted to having an encounter with them but said he couldn't comment because it could hinder the investigation.


I can't help but think that investigators probably told Twitty to keep it quiet about making contact with Joran because they knew there would be some time before they could actually detain him and it would just make it more apparent to the Sloot clan that the officials were onto them.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
"Steve Croes...DJ only...doesn;t even know how to "run" the boat."


isn't that different than what we had been told??


werent we told he had a key to the boat, etc?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:55:35 PM
::::smacking Kerin:::: lol
She's ignoring me... :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Is it just me, or when they say"tatoo" does anybody else think, "look boss! Da plane  Da plane!!"...maybe its just me.... :oops:


LOL   I wasn't going to go there, but the thought did cross my mind too!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 20, 2005, 10:56:06 PM
Pickettville, I don't know if you can or want to believe this, but this has been one of the most crappiest months in Aruban history.

Anyway, go rant all you want about our ineptness. I'm done for the night.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 10:56:08 PM
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:56:23 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


I know tons of kids from well off families who work to help with college.  I don't think that's rare at all.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
"Steve Croes...DJ only...doesn;t even know how to "run" the boat."


isn't that different than what we had been told??


werent we told he had a key to the boat, etc?


That's what I heard, don't remember the source tho??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
::::smacking Kerin:::: lol
She's ignoring me... :shock:


 :shock:  :shock: what? huh?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Pickettville, I don't know if you can or want to believe this, but this has been one of the most crappiest months in Aruban history.

Anyway, go rant all you want about our ineptness. I'm done for the night.


I think some people are getting carried away with what they say....thanks arubagirl for all of your help and knowledge.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Pickettville, I don't know if you can or want to believe this, but this has been one of the most crappiest months in Aruban history.

Anyway, go rant all you want about our ineptness. I'm done for the night.[/quot

Arubagirl, dont let the bashers run you away, ok?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


I know tons of kids from well off families who work to help with college.  I don't think that's rare at all.


That's dodging the point from his Boss's interview.. it's not like he was working a job but begging for extra.

Yeah, I am sure they were great kids when they were younger as was Joran etc etc..doesn't make them innocent.

Ain't buying it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 10:58:22 PM
My impression from that part of the show was that the Kalpoe's are upper middle class.  I got the impression that they are just as well if not a little more so than VDS.  But VDS may have family money that we don't know about that is sending Joran to school while Deepak has to work for some of his.  Just my observation as far as status.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sandy on June 20, 2005, 10:58:28 PM
There was something on Anderson Cooper this evening that suggested Steve was qualified to run the boat - but the Captain refused to elaborate any further.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
No, I've only posted here and on riehlworldview


There was a blog that said there was an "Aruban message board" that was "closed down" a few days after the Holloway story broke. Do you know anything about that? :roll:


Aruba.com. It's run by the Aruba Tourism Authority and they closed it down when it started getting nasty.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog


I'm sure the FBI covered that in their questioning of her friends.  Since we're not privy to those interrogations, we don't know why she left with him.  Fact is, we don't really need to know.  Fortunately, from what we've been told the FBI conducted very complete interviews with everyone on the trip and the chaperones.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 10:59:55 PM
That person telling her things might not be giving her good information.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
::::smacking Kerin:::: lol
She's ignoring me... :shock:


 :shock:  :shock: what? huh?

Lmao been talking to you but you didn't answer LMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:00:16 PM
Did Greta just say Natalee Hawkins?? Bless her...LOLOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 20, 2005, 11:00:19 PM
Well, ladies, gents and monkeys...good night.  While I'm out, would you all do me a favor and bring home Natalee?  It'd be nice to wake up to some good news tomorrow morning :-)

Great job Dash!

Keep prayer and hope alive.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Did Greta just say Natalee Hawkins?? Bless her...LOLOL


I thought I heard her say that.


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: a Troll on June 20, 2005, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: "JNC"
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Well a week ago the stepfather admitted to having an encounter with them but said he couldn't comment because it could hinder the investigation.


I can't help but think that investigators probably told Twitty to keep it quiet about making contact with Joran because they knew there would be some time before they could actually detain him and it would just make it more apparent to the Sloot clan that the officials were onto them.


The problem I have with that is that I saw her interviewed today on CNN or CourtTV, and she said that she knew Joran was bad news from the first night, because her husband talked to Joran and relayed his suspicions to her.  They followed up and asked if she had talked to him and she said no, and something to the effect that she didn't want to say more because it was second hand info from her husband.   Then Greta interviews her tonite and she says she definitely talked to him the first day.  

Perhaps the CNN or CourtTV interviews were replays of prior interviews, or perhaps I misheard her on them, but it seems that she completely contradicted herself.

Not that it really matters.   What bothered me was when Greta asked if she had thought Joran was guilty because she had facts or because or a mother's intuition, this is when she relayed the story of the first night.  I would have thought she would say it was a little of both or that they did have facts, but instead she left the impression that it was purely intuition.  Of course she didn't really answer the question directly, so perhaps she was talking about the first night to avoid talking about any facts that she has been told not to repeat to the press


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:02:28 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog

Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 11:02:57 PM
So did I miss it, or did Greta not report on the attempted suicide or the Max Arends/Max Arendz connection?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
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Quote from: "CaliGirl"
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Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


I know tons of kids from well off families who work to help with college.  I don't think that's rare at all.


That's dodging the point from his Boss's interview.. it's not like he was working a job but begging for extra.

Yeah, I am sure they were great kids when they were younger as was Joran etc etc..doesn't make them innocent.

Ain't buying it.


I'm not saying they are innocent.  But, I am saying it's not appropriate to base a theory on the fact that the kid needs money because the family is poor.  That's just not the case.  Lots of kids earn money for expenses above and beyond tuition, room and board.  I suspect that's what this kid was doing.  He was headed for college and only had a few months to make money.  Not a big deal.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
My impression from that part of the show was that the Kalpoe's are upper middle class.  I got the impression that they are just as well if not a little more so than VDS.  But VDS may have family money that we don't know about that is sending Joran to school while Deepak has to work for some of his.  Just my observation as far as status.


It just went into a theory Dragonfly!

Still wonder a bit after an interview I saw with a friend of Deepak's. Painted a way different picture of some things which has always lead me to believe him to be just as involved if not more in this.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
::::smacking Kerin:::: lol
She's ignoring me... :shock:


 :shock:  :shock: what? huh?

Lmao been talking to you but you didn't answer LMAO

Yes, I did!!! I said I didn't come get you because I was glued to the TV.  :cry:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:03:57 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
So did I miss it, or did Greta not report on the attempted suicide or the Max Arends/Max Arendz connection?


Neither were covered.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog

Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).



Well said, Kerin..
also, keep in mind that Dash is 18..still a baby, no matter how ya look at it..and this is probably the worst thing she has ever had to deal with...God love her.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog

Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).

Right, I support Dash & her courage to come foward no matter what, she know what she's up against being in the media

Cheers to dash!!!


(((Dash)))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
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Quote from: "nancy_drew"
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Quote from: "dandylion"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


I know tons of kids from well off families who work to help with college.  I don't think that's rare at all.


That's dodging the point from his Boss's interview.. it's not like he was working a job but begging for extra.

Yeah, I am sure they were great kids when they were younger as was Joran etc etc..doesn't make them innocent.

Ain't buying it.


I'm not saying they are innocent.  But, I am saying it's not appropriate to base a theory on the fact that the kid needs money because the family is poor.  That's just not the case.  Lots of kids earn money for expenses above and beyond tuition, room and board.  I suspect that's what this kid was doing.  He was headed for college and only had a few months to make money.  Not a big deal.


He had not aplied to college.

I just thought it interesting that all his friends were off to the US to college. Perhaps a twidge of jealousy on his part.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:06:15 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
::::smacking Kerin:::: lol
She's ignoring me... :shock:


 :shock:  :shock: what? huh?

Lmao been talking to you but you didn't answer LMAO

Yes, I did!!! I said I didn't come get you because I was glued to the TV.  :cry:


Ohh my bad!!!!!! lmao

I was too stuck on the Kalpoe bros being made out to be nuns I guess lol!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: someone on June 20, 2005, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog

Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).


If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews.  Or better yet...never have started.  Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation.  I think this is highly innappropriate.  I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets.  Including message boards/forums/blogs.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:07:13 PM
I would have thought she would say it was a little of both or that they did have facts, but instead she left the impression that it was purely intuition. Of course she didn't really answer the question directly, so perhaps she was talking about the first night to avoid talking about any facts that she has been told not to repeat to the press

Troll, unfortunately I think she had to couch it that it was her intuition.  Dutch law is pretty stringent about release of info (facts), and it can jeopardize the trial and prosecution of those accused.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: blfit on June 20, 2005, 11:07:41 PM
From what I've understood, Joran wasn't a "stranger" to this group.  Maybe at the beginning of the trip, but they had hung out with him for several days...wasn't it Beth H. Twitty who said that???  The point is that even if she knew him for a few days she might have felt comfortable with him.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:07:57 PM
He attends Colegio Arubano, Satish that is.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 11:08:18 PM
I know everone is innocent till proven guilty.... that being said I still can't help but LMFAO every time the pronounce Joran as Urine.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:08:21 PM
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 20, 2005, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
My impression from that part of the show was that the Kalpoe's are upper middle class.  I got the impression that they are just as well if not a little more so than VDS.  But VDS may have family money that we don't know about that is sending Joran to school while Deepak has to work for some of his.  Just my observation as far as status.


It just went into a theory Dragonfly!

Still wonder a bit after an interview I saw with a friend of Deepak's. Painted a way different picture of some things which has always lead me to believe him to be just as involved if not more in this.


Well, I was leaning more toward Joran being the most involved until Croes was arrested and reportedly a friend of Deepak.  Man, every new peice of information just makes me more confused!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:08:37 PM
From Dan riehl's site:  http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:08:53 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
No, I've only posted here and on riehlworldview


There was a blog that said there was an "Aruban message board" that was "closed down" a few days after the Holloway story broke. Do you know anything about that? :roll:


Aruba.com. It's run by the Aruba Tourism Authority and they closed it down when it started getting nasty.


Just FYI the Natalee thread is still there.....just look in older messages....
(it was never closed down)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:09:11 PM
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Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
That was pretty bizarre, having an interview on the Kalpoe's front porch!  :shock:


Shoot, missed that part. My beags are getting wild and distracted me.

What is the Kalpoes' house like? What did they say about their family?



NO KIDDING!!!  Is this invasion of privacy or what?  And to stand in front of the house and pass judgement on their social status!! What nerve!


Kalpoes and Social status..

::running after Kerin::: why didn't you get me?? lol

Does this go along with my theory now that the Kalpoes do not have much money??

BTW they do not go to school with Joran nor have they.


It's not true that they don't have much money. From an Aruban source who knows the boys and taught them...they are from a loving family.


Then Nancy why was Deepak working so many extra hours trying to get money so he could go to college in the US like his friends?


I know tons of kids from well off families who work to help with college.  I don't think that's rare at all.


That's dodging the point from his Boss's interview.. it's not like he was working a job but begging for extra.

Yeah, I am sure they were great kids when they were younger as was Joran etc etc..doesn't make them innocent.

Ain't buying it.


I'm not saying they are innocent.  But, I am saying it's not appropriate to base a theory on the fact that the kid needs money because the family is poor.  That's just not the case.  Lots of kids earn money for expenses above and beyond tuition, room and board.  I suspect that's what this kid was doing.  He was headed for college and only had a few months to make money.  Not a big deal.


He had not aplied to college.

I just thought it interesting that all his friends were off to the US to college. Perhaps a twidge of jealousy on his part.


If that's the case it's even more logical he'd be working to make money.  All these guys could be in this up the wazoo.  But, being from a poor uninvolved family is not part of the equation.

I posted above about his little sister, etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 11:09:16 PM
Nite all, I'm changing the channel to Court TV and watch my detective shows that I'm not emotionally involved in.... :lol: I hope we have a happy ending when I wake. Blessings to all.
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What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


Title: Das Boot
Post by: LouLou on June 20, 2005, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
"Steve Croes...DJ only...doesn;t even know how to "run" the boat."


isn't that different than what we had been told??


werent we told he had a key to the boat, etc?


The boat would be difficult to handle on your own...there is likely an engine room that you would need someone to man while you are at the help, etc.

Also...this time of year it starts getting light just after 4 a.m.  If they took it out at 3 (most optomistic projection), the boat would be missed before they could get very far round trip.  
It doesn't look like it is built for speed.

Also...didn't we establish that it doesn't run on Sundays...the night she disapeared?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:09:39 PM
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

These are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD Place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
I know everone is innocent till proven guilty.... that being said I still can't help but LMFAO every time the pronounce Joran as Urine.  :lol:  :lol:


Me TOO!! LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 11:09:47 PM
someone, there are other boards that debate quite healthily your comments and topics.

This board has already covered that ground.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
chelsblu wrote:
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.


Man I waited 30 minutes for someone else to post this.


There are allot of inconsistancies. The Mtn Brok Girl tonight was abit TOO Polished IMHO. It just seems that we are not getting the full story from any side right now. it just seems odd that seeing Jorand&Natalee (where it was so dark that you could barely see a face) leaving together that is was alright to think she was Ok. Again I am NOT pointing fingers, but someone somewhere is not telling the WHOLE story. There has to be a REASON WHy Natalee Left this bar with a Starnger(if he was a strnger to her, some have said they were emailing for months before the trip). Speculation of being drugged, and then that would obviously show in her appearance. Natalee from what most say would NEVER leave with a stranger, this to me is the KEY to the this case. Find out WHY she left with him and we will have the Key to solving this case.


GuyWdog

Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).


If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews.  Or better yet...never have started.  Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation.  I think this is highly innappropriate.  I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets.  Including message boards/forums/blogs.


WTF? Please don't post that crap here. We love Dash.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 11:10:15 PM
Quote
KerinTX said---Thank you for your opinion. But please do not come back when Dash is here and tell her she looked too polished. I think her emotions are hanging on by a string and this is her only safe haven (besides her home and church I mean).


Everyone's got an opinion. Why would she go on a different program to say basicly the same thing? Natalee was either drugged or accosted, or why would she leave with a stranger? this is the Key to this case.....all of us have lots of questions.....and No answers, just the same old same old....

GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: "someone"


If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews.  Or better yet...never have started.  Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation.  I think this is highly innappropriate.  I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets.  Including message boards/forums/blogs.[/quote]

"Media stunts"??  Could you be any more of a jackass??  I didn't think so!  She's made TWO TV appearances for the purpose of setting the record straight.  PERIOD!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South has drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

There are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!



STANDING OVATION FOR KERIN....ROFLMAO AT BILLY BOB TEETH>>>LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 11:10:51 PM
Sorry, my last post was

WTF, not the rude comments that were above it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pybird on June 20, 2005, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


littletxlady...who is Gretta married to...just curious.
 
Thx


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:11:40 PM
If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews. Or better yet...never have started. Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation. I think this is highly innappropriate. I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets. Including message boards/forums/blogs.

There's a certain amount of truth to what you say. I too was vocal early on about MB'ers on the Internet commiserating with one another, when I felt that they'd be better served avoid the whole blog/forum/chat thing because people are going to ask/say what they want to ask/say and should not necessarily have to couch it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: sandy on June 20, 2005, 11:11:50 PM
I hope no one takes this the wrong way but the comments from the Twitty's about the arrogance exhibited by the VDS family members strikes me as a cultural trait - my experience has been the Dutch, like the Germans tend to be 'teutonic' - I'm not meaning to stereotype or lump everyone together - but it is not uncommon for people from this background to appear to others as arrogant, haughty, etc - throw in the legal training and the factor increases.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 11:12:12 PM
Does anyone feel apprehensive about our press going over there (never mind Geraldo's shenanigans) and slobbering all over every detail like they always do, and possibly jeopadizing the case?  Especially with current information suggesting that evidence can be thrown out under Dutch law if it has been tampered with i.e. press coverage, etc.

Dont' get me wrong, I appreciate being kept up to date, but as we just saw with the front porch interview, it's not always done in good taste either.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: JessesMom on June 20, 2005, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
That person telling her things might not be giving her good information.


Yeah, you know, I wondered about that, too .... how do we know he's telling the truth or whether he's just speculating things?  I honestly don't know what to believe.  Even our own networks are giving misinformation. And I always take anything from the internet with a grain of salt for sure.  Even with info. we get on the internet that has a link from a news article, sometimes the news articles don't even seem to pan out to be correct.

I know that a lot of people on here are being truthful and probably a lot of the info. from the media is probably true, how can we tell the difference?  It all makes me just want to throw my hands up .... I can't even begin to imagine how frustrated these families are.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
My impression from that part of the show was that the Kalpoe's are upper middle class.  I got the impression that they are just as well if not a little more so than VDS.  But VDS may have family money that we don't know about that is sending Joran to school while Deepak has to work for some of his.  Just my observation as far as status.


It just went into a theory Dragonfly!

Still wonder a bit after an interview I saw with a friend of Deepak's. Painted a way different picture of some things which has always lead me to believe him to be just as involved if not more in this.


Well, I was leaning more toward Joran being the most involved until Croes was arrested and reportedly a friend of Deepak.  Man, every new peice of information just makes me more confused!


I completely understand Dragon! I don't want anyone to think I am Kalpoe brothers bashing. I just find it odd, everything is focused on Joran, when some very obvious questions other than what happened to Natalee have not been answered. Like the brothers accounting for NOT being at the club but Joran and Natalee end up in their car?

Just seem to think everyone also brings the facts and negative of Joran but there are 2 well now 3 other people involved in this mess. Just would like the facts and accurate information of all.


Title: -
Post by: someone on June 20, 2005, 11:13:30 PM
despite everyone insisting that people with different views stay away from the "breaking news" forum.  That they should move to discussions or chats having to do with theories and speculations.  Maybe you should move your everday hellos and goodbyes to a similar chat.  This board is for "breaking news" and not to know what everyone is doing every second of the day whether it is looking for cigarettes, eating, leaving or arriving.

Either accept all posts or stick to the actual purpose of this board.  You can't pick and choose because you like or dislike what someone suggests.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:13:37 PM
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 11:13:54 PM
ignore troll,

Timeline alert--look at the post.  Dad claims he picked son up at Mcdonalds at 3 am.

Older brother went back to try to find her?

Also if true,  Joran with wires and cream--is that a polygraph?  or simply a suicide watch electronic wiring thing.

if any of that blog is true.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "someone"


If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews.  Or better yet...never have started.  Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation.  I think this is highly innappropriate.  I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets.  Including message boards/forums/blogs.


"Media stunts"??  Could you be any more of a jackass??  I didn't think so!  She's made TWO TV appearances for the purpose of setting the record straight.  PERIOD![/quote]

Actually, she's only commenting on what she saw.  Others interviewed might have something different to say than her - we've only seen the one other male student.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:14:05 PM
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

These are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD Place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!




Thank you kerin....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 11:14:56 PM
arubagirl, please again check your PM's -


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Does anyone feel apprehensive about our press going over there (never mind Geraldo's shenanigans) and slobbering all over every detail like they always do, and possibly jeopadizing the case?  Especially with current information suggesting that evidence can be thrown out under Dutch law if it has been tampered with i.e. press coverage, etc.

Dont' get me wrong, I appreciate being kept up to date, but as we just saw with the front porch interview, it's not always done in good taste either.


Forget keeping us updated, this keeps this from going underground in a foriegn country.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Pinball Wizard on June 20, 2005, 11:15:41 PM
Quick question-
Is this a picture of Steve Croes at work on the Tattoo?  The man at the far right, with DJ headset on.  He is also wearing a pilot's uniform, instead of the "Tattoo" t-shirts the other staff wear on the boat.  I uploaded it to Imageshack:

http://img106.echo.cx/img106/6360/tattoo4copy4mo.jpg

Thanks for any insight, I think I found a bunch of pictures of him on the boat, but I'm not sure.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


Oh Nikki...that is so Sad!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


#3 has been boarding my theory all along.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
someone, there are other boards that debate quite healthily your comments and topics.

This board has already covered that ground.


And this board can cover it again - I'm quite willing to entertain someone's view.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 20, 2005, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Excuse my ignorance but what does "having a cream and wires attached to him" mean? :shock:


Title: Re: -
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: "someone"
despite everyone insisting that people with different views stay away from the "breaking news" forum.  That they should move to discussions or chats having to do with theories and speculations.  Maybe you should move your everday hellos and goodbyes to a similar chat.  This board is for "breaking news" and not to know what everyone is doing every second of the day whether it is looking for cigarettes, eating, leaving or arriving.

Either accept all posts or stick to the actual purpose of this board.  You can't pick and choose because you like or dislike what someone suggests.


ghosting now.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:17:32 PM
The mother only gave bits and pieces of the meeting that night. She didn't really have a conversation with him just an exchange and maybe she didn't want to say anything before because of the investigation. Maybe someone has told her it doesn't matter.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 11:17:51 PM
That is what I was asking--polygraph?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
The mother only gave bits and pieces of the meeting that night. She didn't really have a conversation with him just an exchange and maybe she didn't want to say anything before because of the investigation. Maybe someone has told her it doesn't matter.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth


You mean you don't??  :shock:

Gotta go eat some cheese...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: coco on June 20, 2005, 11:18:03 PM
One thing I thought we should take note of from Greta's interview with the Aruban lawyer is his comment that the media in Aruba run stories based on hearsay and talk in the streets since the authorities don't give out info. That certainly puts some of the newspaper reports that come up in a different light.

I also think we should be careful of assuming that the Aruban authorities are blowing the case - certainly the early stages looked that way - but it is kind of refreshing to see an investigation that is carried out in quiet without the media circus of many US cases where the investigators seem more interested in getting on TV than in solving the crime - and have often "convicted" the wrong person in the media before the trial even begins. We won't know how effective their system is until we see the actual results.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya from?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


We have NO idea what he said to police.  Only hearsay.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:18:50 PM
The mother only gave bits and pieces of the meeting that night. She didn't really have a conversation with him just an exchange and maybe she didn't want to say anything before because of the investigation. Maybe someone has told her it doesn't matter.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: SPSII on June 20, 2005, 11:18:59 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth


You mean you don't??  :shock:

Gotta go eat some cheese...


Don't forget that we're all pregnant and barefoot.  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya from?


West Virginia


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 20, 2005, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: "RB"
If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews. Or better yet...never have started. Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation. I think this is highly innappropriate. I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets. Including message boards/forums/blogs.

There's a certain amount of truth to what you say. I too was vocal early on about MB'ers on the Internet commiserating with one another, when I felt that they'd be better served avoid the whole blog/forum/chat thing because people are going to ask/say what they want to ask/say and should not necessarily have to couch it.


Sigh. She's just trying to clear Natalee of all the blame that has been placed upon her. Honestly, it's better that Alana do it than one of Natalee's very best friends do it...for many reasons. She's only trying to help. We are on these forums to hear news, and to defend Natalee and the people on the trip. I've just about been run off already, but we ARE doing this for the right reasons, I assure you. I'm proud of the kids that have kept quiet. It's just that with all of the speculation, Alana feels that someone needs to stand up for the people on the trip and for Natalee, and I think she's right.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quick question-
Is this a picture of Steve Croes at work on the Tattoo?  The man at the far right, with DJ headset on.  He is also wearing a pilot's uniform, instead of the "Tattoo" t-shirts the other staff wear on the boat.  I uploaded it to Imageshack:

http://img106.echo.cx/img106/6360/tattoo4copy4mo.jpg

Thanks for any insight, I think I found a bunch of pictures of him on the boat, but I'm not sure.

That looks like him to me!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: writergal on June 20, 2005, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
That is what I was asking--polygraph?


      A polygraph, or possibly an electrocardiogram on electroencephalogram. They might administer either of that latter if they thought he was in some acute physical distress.


Title: notes of possible interest
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:21:04 PM
-  Anybody see the cnn report on the ocean currents around Aruba and the comment by one local that "you put your foot in the water at night and you are on radar".  

-  Mr. v/d Sloot is a prosecutor, probably works with DEA on cases.  

-  Natalee seemed to fall between the cracks.  Too much time elapsed between her absence and anybody noticing and doing something about it.  Dan had the assembly later in the morning.  Now it is back to 8 am per Alana.  Natalee does not show up at 8 am (appears she is on the first flight) and nobody goes looking for Joran, who they knew, Alana knew too, until the Twittys come to town 13 hours later?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
I hope no one takes this the wrong way but the comments from the Twitty's about the arrogance exhibited by the VDS family members strikes me as a cultural trait - my experience has been the Dutch, like the Germans tend to be 'teutonic' - I'm not meaning to stereotype or lump everyone together - but it is not uncommon for people from this background to appear to others as arrogant, haughty, etc - throw in the legal training and the factor increases.


I would agree with part of that since I am married to one of those foreigners who is aloof and can be seen as arrogant BUT what "culteral trait" has you beating your fist against your chest like TARZAN when approached by a grieving mother?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:21:15 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews. Or better yet...never have started. Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation. I think this is highly innappropriate. I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets. Including message boards/forums/blogs.

There's a certain amount of truth to what you say. I too was vocal early on about MB'ers on the Internet commiserating with one another, when I felt that they'd be better served avoid the whole blog/forum/chat thing because people are going to ask/say what they want to ask/say and should not necessarily have to couch it.


Very well said, MB..God Bless YOU!!

Sigh. She's just trying to clear Natalee of all the blame that has been placed upon her. Honestly, it's better that Alana do it than one of Natalee's very best friends do it...for many reasons. She's only trying to help. We are on these forums to hear news, and to defend Natalee and the people on the trip. I've just about been run off already, but we ARE doing this for the right reasons, I assure you. I'm proud of the kids that have kept quiet. It's just that with all of the speculation, Alana feels that someone needs to stand up for the people on the trip and for Natalee, and I think she's right.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 11:21:38 PM
Nancy, are you checking the reil i cant spell it post.


Everyone is ignoring it but there is a ton of meat in it if it is true.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

These are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD Place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!




Thank you kerin....


Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:21:53 PM
And that, mbhs05, was an excellent post as an opposing or explanatory view. You clearly understand that not everyone will agree with Alana's stance, but certainly if one feels one must stand up and be counted for something, so be it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 20, 2005, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


littletxlady...who is Gretta married to...just curious.
 
Thx


Greta's hubby~~~John P. Coale: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/john-p-coale.htm

Recently dubbed one of the world’s 100 most powerful women by Forbes Magazine, Van Susteren is the recipient of both the 2000-2001 Sandra Day O'Connor Medal of Honor from Seton Hall University and the American Bar Association Presidential Award for "Excellence in Journalism." (2001). She was also awarded the first place 2002 National Headliners Award as part of an investigative team covering the "Attack on America."

Greta's bio on FOX:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42016,00.html

Very intresting couple.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya from?



Well, how in the world did you know aboutthis and the website for the NEWS?? <hearing twilight zone music>

West Virginia


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

These are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD Place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!




Thank you kerin....


No, THANK YOU, Native!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 11:22:28 PM
What if these 3 guys are tuely innocent? Maybe Joran was/is arrogant, but what if someone else is responsible for Natalee's missing? it would Not surprise me if the Local Arubaian Police are going down a dead end, they have shown their lack of experience from the get-go. here it is almost 4 weeks and not a sinlge Break in the case. All of you have to admit that this can not go on for much longer..........sooner or later the Arubain authorities will either have to charge these 3 guys or release them. As it stands now, release is looking as to what will happen....


GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


We have NO idea what he said to police.  Only hearsay.


It was in the paper and on the news! Natalee missing is only hearsay too!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


We have NO idea what he said to police.  Only hearsay.


http://crime.about.com/b/a/177299.htm


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "RB"
If her emotions are hanging by a string then maybe she should stop doing interviews. Or better yet...never have started. Have you noticed she is only one of two doing these media stunts...out of over a hundred? She comes to the board and makes jokes and laughs about parts of the situation. I think this is highly innappropriate. I know you can argue with me...but her real friends stopped the media stunts...instead they have chosen to respect the situation and avoid media and its outlets. Including message boards/forums/blogs.

There's a certain amount of truth to what you say. I too was vocal early on about MB'ers on the Internet commiserating with one another, when I felt that they'd be better served avoid the whole blog/forum/chat thing because people are going to ask/say what they want to ask/say and should not necessarily have to couch it.


Sigh. She's just trying to clear Natalee of all the blame that has been placed upon her. Honestly, it's better that Alana do it than one of Natalee's very best friends do it...for many reasons. She's only trying to help. We are on these forums to hear news, and to defend Natalee and the people on the trip. I've just about been run off already, but we ARE doing this for the right reasons, I assure you. I'm proud of the kids that have kept quiet. It's just that with all of the speculation, Alana feels that someone needs to stand up for the people on the trip and for Natalee, and I think she's right.


((((MB))))


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Excuse my ignorance but what does "having a cream and wires attached to him" mean? :shock:


he took a polygraph it appears


Title: yes it is him
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:23:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quick question-
Is this a picture of Steve Croes at work on the Tattoo?  The man at the far right, with DJ headset on.  He is also wearing a pilot's uniform, instead of the "Tattoo" t-shirts the other staff wear on the boat.  I uploaded it to Imageshack:

http://img106.echo.cx/img106/6360/tattoo4copy4mo.jpg

Thanks for any insight, I think I found a bunch of pictures of him on the boat, but I'm not sure.

That looks like him to me!


guy in white shirt on right


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.



one more time.  This has a ton of things that need to be evaluated and see if verified.  

Is number one a polygraph or is it suicide watch monitoring/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth


You mean you don't??  :shock:

Gotta go eat some cheese...


LMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 20, 2005, 11:25:25 PM
Quote from: "RB"
And that, mbhs05, was an excellent post as an opposing or explanatory view. You clearly understand that not everyone will agree with Alana's stance, but certainly if one feels one must stand up and be counted for something, so be it.


It was an excellent post.  

RB, there are many questions from newbies, and sometimes they come in pretty bold.  Please can you respond to them whenever you can?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:25:25 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I guess Arubagirl left by now <sigh>

For the life of me I can't understand why every time we get some details or watch an interview and people post opinions, WHY does it have to turn from a commentary on the case and it's subjects and turn into a personal attack on the entire island of Aruba!!!
That's like saying everyone in the South drinks moonshine and has Billy Bob teeth and that everyone in Mexico is dirt poor and a drug dealer.

These are SHADY (I can't say bad without more details) People who live in a GOOD Place.

That could describe MY town or anyone else's in the world.

We love our Aruban friends!!!!!




Thank you kerin....


Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


Oh Nikki...that is so Sad!!!!!




So sorry to hear that Nikki, what is this world coming to?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DT on June 20, 2005, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com



Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Excuse my ignorance but what does "having a cream and wires attached to him" mean? :shock:


he took a polygraph it appears


IM hearing that the whole lie detector story was a joke created by a radio station in order to expose the media.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya from?


West Virginia





So, it was on the news in west VA??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 20, 2005, 11:27:21 PM
That my tie with the mcdonalds rumor we kept hearing.

Also if any of it is true--and that is a big if still how does Steve tie in.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:27:21 PM
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))[/quote]

Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:[/quote]

It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya from?


I have connections click on my tag line. :)


Well, how in the world did you know aboutthis and the website for the NEWS?? <hearing twilight zone music>

West Virginia


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 20, 2005, 11:29:01 PM
Hello Native Lingo -- have you heard from DJTaylor?  Has she had her baby yet?  Would like to wish her well!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:29:02 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


We have NO idea what he said to police.  Only hearsay.


It was in the paper and on the news! Natalee missing is only hearsay too!


Do you believe everything you read in the news?

What you read (if my recollection is correct) is one of the Kalpoe brothers' version of the story.  We have NO idea if what he said is correct, or not.  Bottom line, we have NO idea if they ever exchanged emails...and we have no idea if they communicated prior to Natalee's trip to Aruba.  I'm sure that's all apparent on Joran's hard drive.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Where the heck did Dan hear what was in Paulus VDS' statement to police??  If true, it certainly brings up more questions on what the heck Jaron was doing.  However, I just can't put too much stock in this report at this point.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 11:29:34 PM
Well, how in the world did you know aboutthis and the website for the NEWS?? <hearing twilight zone music>

West Virginia[/quote][/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wiz wooda liked that!!!!!
lol


Title: Pictures from boat
Post by: ChytownEd on June 20, 2005, 11:29:44 PM
That's him, all right. (Croes)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:30:01 PM
::: random thought:::

My favorite song has always been Sweet Home Alabama..

how fitting  :D

Not sure why I wanted to share that LMAO I think I am turning into FOM! lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 20, 2005, 11:30:12 PM
I was looking on Yahoo this morning to see if they have any groups focusing on the Natalee Holloway case.  I was horrified to find a group (the first one listed) that said some truly innappropriate things about NH.  I will spare you the details but it was some vile name calling.

I reported the matter to Yahoo and they have yet to respond.  When I checked a few minutes ago, the group was still listed.  It is really disgusting that people can do this and even worse that Yahoo doesn't seem to care.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:30:20 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys, i know this site is for info on Nat, but i have to ask for a prayer right now....a man in our community took his children, called his wife and said he was gonna kill himself and the kids...ran head on into a semi..father is dead..kids are critical...and all on Father's day...pray for them...thanks guys!!

O...now i am back on track..sorry... :oops:


http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2005/06/20/2005062066337.htm

That is truly terrible.


Hey absolut, where ya

I have connections click on my tag line. :)


Well, how in the world did you know aboutthis and the website for the NEWS?? <hearing twilight zone music>

West Virginia



I am a comp illiterate dumbazz..i dont know what a connections click on a tag line is..but whatever it is, thats pretty cool..lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 11:30:33 PM
Could it ppossibly be that joran an dhis buddies Might NOT have anything to do with this case? What if someone else is responsible? If that is the case, oh my ! If Joran has taken and passed a ploygraph then the Police need to ket the FBI handle this case. it is already almost 4 weeks old.

GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:[/quote]

It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:[/quote]

Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....


Title: dan
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com


Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.



I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Excuse my ignorance but what does "having a cream and wires attached to him" mean? :shock:


he took a polygraph it appears
 

hum, where have we heard some of this before?  the "hysterical scene on the on the beach and deepak going back is from my transription of the  radio the day before yesterday and we parsed mcdonalds too but had not heard the old man was there to pick up the kid.  is Dan making this up?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "RB"
And that, mbhs05, was an excellent post as an opposing or explanatory view. You clearly understand that not everyone will agree with Alana's stance, but certainly if one feels one must stand up and be counted for something, so be it.


It was an excellent post.  

RB, there are many questions from newbies, and sometimes they come in pretty bold.  Please can you respond to them whenever you can?


I usually do, Dallas. If I'm about, I mean. I don't think they're bold actually - I think some folks here are overly sensitive at times and that's to be expected with emotions riding high.

I will tell you one thing I have learned by doing this:  you have Dash's view, but there *are* some views you are missing. You may also be depriving yourselves of some information that with a little tolerance might make some things clearer for you in this whole tragedy.  I get too many PM's from some of those folks not to have learned that much.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:32:25 PM
Hey BOB...that head scared the $%*_)&^P*&%$O out of me.

But welcome to the forum!  :D  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 20, 2005, 11:33:37 PM
Thanks.

Has that stuff about one of the boys attempting suicide been verified?  I haven't heard anything on TV or the web about it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:33:46 PM
CALI...

:::::shining light in Cali's eyes::::


You have been UP to something tonight...like doing some digging in other areas. Give it UP!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 20, 2005, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Could it ppossibly be that joran an dhis buddies Might NOT have anything to do with this case?
GuyWdog


Yes, it is possible.  We don't know much since they don't release information until the investigation is over.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
CALI...

:::::shining light in Cali's eyes::::


You have been UP to something tonight...like doing some digging in other areas. Give it UP!!


she said earlier she was gonna do some digging....what did ya find cali?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:34:29 PM
Just added scared monkeys in the news to the site. http://www.i66.com


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:[/quote]

Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....[/quote]

Trolls... confusion.. me being in the loft on some missions for info...

Yeah, I would say it's the same as any day! Report of someone trying to commit suicide. ::scratching head:: Um, Kerin was hiding behind me at one point and I was hiding in trashcans by the court house from the press with a banana peel on my head....Just kidding. lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "arrabba"
From Dan riehl's site: http://www.riehlworldview.com



Update
A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.


Excuse my ignorance but what does "having a cream and wires attached to him" mean? :shock:


he took a polygraph it appears


IM hearing that the whole lie detector story was a joke created by a radio station in order to expose the media.


 like the mysterious car on its way to venezuela story Fox has yet to follow up?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:35:07 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Thanks.

Has that stuff about one of the boys attempting suicide been verified?  I haven't heard anything on TV or the web about it.


Only in 1 newspaper report in aruba.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Thanks.

Has that stuff about one of the boys attempting suicide been verified?  I haven't heard anything on TV or the web about it.


we still don't know officially who it is but we have guessed Joran . Again NOT confirmed.

The news is slower than my granny puttin on her drawers!  :D

(another Southern phrase for Y'ALL)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 20, 2005, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
::: random thought:::

My favorite song has always been Sweet Home Alabama..

how fitting  :D

Not sure why I wanted to share that LMAO I think I am turning into FOM! lol


u  were nyz share a song weeeethmeee.
i am at 701   !!!!!! :wink:  8)  :!:

see you guys later
Natalee is close in my heart and prayers.

and btw izzzz fulllmn 2nt?? has anyone peeked ouside" the box "lately??
sweet dreams all


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
CALI...

:::::shining light in Cali's eyes::::


You have been UP to something tonight...like doing some digging in other areas. Give it UP!!


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink: I gave a clue lol I want to get it all together first but someone started leaking it grrrr lol


Title: Re: Just curious
Post by: Kkial on June 20, 2005, 11:37:15 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
Quote from: "JNC"
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
On Greta's first interview with Beth Twitty, she said that she did not talk to Joran. Tonight she said she did have an encounter with him. Also on first interview, she was pretty adamant that Natalee and Joran had known each other for a couple of days prior to missing. (Hanging out with group, etc) Tonight she says no to that question. What's up with that?.....Before you hang me out to dry.... I'm just curious.. not speculating about her motive or suggesting anything nefarious.

I was wondering about that myself, but the poor woman prbably can't even think straight right now.... As far as I've heard they (her Mom) tracked him from his home to the casino. I dunno which one is right  :?:


Well a week ago the stepfather admitted to having an encounter with them but said he couldn't comment because it could hinder the investigation.


I can't help but think that investigators probably told Twitty to keep it quiet about making contact with Joran because they knew there would be some time before they could actually detain him and it would just make it more apparent to the Sloot clan that the officials were onto them.


The problem I have with that is that I saw her interviewed today on CNN or CourtTV, and she said that she knew Joran was bad news from the first night, because her husband talked to Joran and relayed his suspicions to her.  They followed up and asked if she had talked to him and she said no, and something to the effect that she didn't want to say more because it was second hand info from her husband.   Then Greta interviews her tonite and she says she definitely talked to him the first day.  

Perhaps the CNN or CourtTV interviews were replays of prior interviews, or perhaps I misheard her on them, but it seems that she completely contradicted herself.

Not that it really matters.   What bothered me was when Greta asked if she had thought Joran was guilty because she had facts or because or a mother's intuition, this is when she relayed the story of the first night.  I would have thought she would say it was a little of both or that they did have facts, but instead she left the impression that it was purely intuition.  Of course she didn't really answer the question directly, so perhaps she was talking about the first night to avoid talking about any facts that she has been told not to repeat to the press


She was asked about the dad, Paula,,not JVS.  Greta asked about jr..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 11:37:33 PM
Alright Monkeys, I'm outty for the night. My head is too full & I gotta rest, see you all in the a.m. *waves*

I'll have on Fox all night, as always just in case....praying & hoping for a miracle resolution.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: RB on June 20, 2005, 11:37:34 PM
Quote
has anyone peeked ouside" the box "lately??


Yes, FOM.  I have and I have reaped the rewards.  Good night.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Why did he ask for Natalee's email if they already exchanged it!! That is what he said in his interview with police...
Don't feel sorry for such a lying brat


We have NO idea what he said to police.  Only hearsay.


It was in the paper and on the news! Natalee missing is only hearsay too!


Do you believe everything you read in the news?

What you read (if my recollection is correct) is one of the Kalpoe brothers' version of the story.  We have NO idea if what he said is correct, or not.  Bottom line, we have NO idea if they ever exchanged emails...and we have no idea if they communicated prior to Natalee's trip to Aruba.  I'm sure that's all apparent on Joran's hard drive.

AND if Natalee talked to him before she went it would be on his computer also.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2005, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Could it ppossibly be that joran an dhis buddies Might NOT have anything to do with this case? What if someone else is responsible? If that is the case, oh my ! If Joran has taken and passed a ploygraph then the Police need to ket the FBI handle this case. it is already almost 4 weeks old.

GuyWdog

If they have nothing to do with it they why all the lying?  Sorry but I think they have everything to do with it!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
CALI...

:::::shining light in Cali's eyes::::


You have been UP to something tonight...like doing some digging in other areas. Give it UP!!


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink: I gave a clue lol I want to get it all together first but someone started leaking it grrrr lol



Hmm...curiosity killed the cat..but satisfaction brought him back...c'mon, woman..Kerin and I are waitin'... :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:


Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....[/quote]

Trolls... confusion.. me being in the loft on some missions for info...

Yeah, I would say it's the same as any day! Report of someone trying to commit suicide. ::scratching head:: Um, Kerin was hiding behind me at one point and I was hiding in trashcans by the court house from the press with a banana peel on my head....Just kidding. lol[/quote]

I heard about the suicide thing...apparently it's about the other missing person....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: lee on June 20, 2005, 11:38:16 PM
guyw.......you're missing the point.....the Frat boys from Hell could be innocent, and they could prove it, so why haven't they?

one story after another  after another.....

when do we get to the real story?

its gone beyond them wanting to spare her,Natalee, any embaressment and the time has gone by where they can just say "it was an accident" because they have kept one grieving mother dying a slow death these past few weeks because she has no answers....

these are not nice "boys"......nice boys would have let a crying mother know what happened to her only dtr if not right away, at least by now, don't you think?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 11:38:17 PM
Seems to me if 1 of these kids is thinking of suicide then if he knew something he would tell it.....What's better the Arubaian police or the Branch Dividian FBi?.....God Help Us ALL...!!


GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: gaijin on June 20, 2005, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:[/quote]

Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....[/quote]

hey Native..nice to see you on...thought we lost you...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:39:00 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:


Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....[/quote]

Trolls... confusion.. me being in the loft on some missions for info...

Yeah, I would say it's the same as any day! Report of someone trying to commit suicide. ::scratching head:: Um, Kerin was hiding behind me at one point and I was hiding in trashcans by the court house from the press with a banana peel on my head....Just kidding. lol[/quote]
I am still trying to figure out how the hel* you are on a raft, in a trashcan, behind the courthouse?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 20, 2005, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"


The news is slower than my granny puttin on her drawers!  :D

(another Southern phrase for Y'ALL)


I am trying to get this image out of my head.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 20, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
If they didn't have sometime to do with it, why would they keep lying. Why not tell the truth where they dropped her off and say what happened instead of hiding from it. If it wasn't bad, why call the dad?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Alright Monkeys, I'm outty for the night. My head is too full & I gotta rest, see you all in the a.m. *waves*

I'll have on Fox all night, as always just in case....praying & hoping for a miracle resolution.


{{{DIVA}}}


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:40:56 PM
Been working hard on the Kalpoe brothers so we can finally have information etc but I still need one more name confirmation back GOSH DARINIT! Someone yell at FOX for me lol John Kasich still has his silly "Out of Office June 18th" reply grrrrrr


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: Pinball Wizard on June 20, 2005, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:41:30 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "KerinTX"


The news is slower than my granny puttin on her drawers!  :D

(another Southern phrase for Y'ALL)


I am trying to get this image out of my head.


after working in many a nursing home, i have seen many grannies putting on drawers, AND have put on many a pair of drawers for grannies that couldnt do it for themselves...please dont make me relive it..i am already up at night!! :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:42:41 PM
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:


Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....


Trolls... confusion.. me being in the loft on some missions for info...

Yeah, I would say it's the same as any day! Report of someone trying to commit suicide. ::scratching head:: Um, Kerin was hiding behind me at one point and I was hiding in trashcans by the court house from the press with a banana peel on my head....Just kidding. lol[/quote]
I am still trying to figure out how the hel* you are on a raft, in a trashcan, behind the courthouse?[/quote]

::in her best Valley girl voice::: Like duhhh Kerin.. I sooooo totally told you yesterday I was floating towards and through the Panama Canal and onto Aruba!! lmao


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "KerinTX"


The news is slower than my granny puttin on her drawers!  :D

(another Southern phrase for Y'ALL)


I am trying to get this image out of my head.

scary isn't it Bob? Baltimore huh? Do you know where Middle River is?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 20, 2005, 11:43:42 PM
Well, these are KIDS. They Paniced, no matter what happened, if they are innocent or guilty. They have to know by now, that this will NOT die, if they keep their mouth shut. This is INTERNATIONAL....The local Authorities will soon have a PERP to show the world whether they are guilty or not.....It can't go on for much longer, you know the POWERS that BE, are coming down HARD and Closure will be at hand any day now....too bad but it seems the REAL Story wil Never come out...


GuyWdog


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 20, 2005, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Alright Monkeys, I'm outty for the night. My head is too full & I gotta rest, see you all in the a.m. *waves*

I'll have on Fox all night, as always just in case....praying & hoping for a miracle resolution.


{{{DIVA}}}



{{{{Kerin}}}}

OK, I'm slooooowly backing away from the puter.

Love to u all!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:44:15 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Alright Monkeys, I'm outty for the night. My head is too full & I gotta rest, see you all in the a.m. *waves*

I'll have on Fox all night, as always just in case....praying & hoping for a miracle resolution.


{{{DIVA}}}



{{{{Kerin}}}}

OK, I'm slooooowly backing away from the puter.

Love to u all!



(((diva))))) Sleep well!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 20, 2005, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Amen Kerin! (((Native)))


Hello Cali.....sorry I didn't say hello first....  :wink:


It's ok Native... we all have our hands full tonite!  :wink:


Anything new??
Been busy all day and didn't have a chance to catch up....[/quote]

hey Native..nice to see you on...thought we lost you...[/quote]

Hello Gaijin.... :wink:


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


AmericanInAruba and DJTaylor, both of whom know him, said he was the captain, so it's odd that they keep referring to him as just the dj.  The guy from diario was asked by Greta if Steve had anything to do with running the boat and he said no.  Maybe he's not officially licensed to pilot the boat, but he does sometimes??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:44:47 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Thanks.

Has that stuff about one of the boys attempting suicide been verified?  I haven't heard anything on TV or the web about it.


not verified, just appeared in the paper this morning.  guess our guys don't read the paper or they are backlogged.  it is afterall in a foreign language sorta like the translation backlog at NSA before 9/11.   Listen to the Arubans.   There are no secrets on a small island.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 20, 2005, 11:45:11 PM
Holloway's Family Plans Lawsuit To Demand Evidence

http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/4632430/detail.html


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


AmericanInAruba and DJTaylor, both of whom know him, said he was the captain, so it's odd that they keep referring to him as just the dj.  The guy from diario was asked by Greta if Steve had anything to do with running the boat and he said no.  Maybe he's not officially licensed to pilot the boat, but he does sometimes??


Hey, where is DJ taylor?? Maybe a baby?


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: TG on June 20, 2005, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


I think that's just a uniform for show, looks better than a t-shirt and jeans, goes with the theme of the boat.  Plus the people they have interviewed on tv make me believe he doesn't operate the boat.  Just my opinion.  Flame me......


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 20, 2005, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"

scary isn't it Bob? Baltimore huh? Do you know where Middle River is?


Sure.  I live on the other side of town though.  Ellicott City.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
NIKKI...we really need to have your memory reprogrammed to get those images out of your head!!

CALI....but what is it? A FLOATING Courthouse?? Damn woman, keep UP!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Holloway's Family Plans Lawsuit To Demand Evidence

http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/4632430/detail.html


I don't blame them for wanting to get the evidence in the hands of people who may be able to find her before it's too late.


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


AmericanInAruba and DJTaylor, both of whom know him, said he was the captain, so it's odd that they keep referring to him as just the dj.  The guy from diario was asked by Greta if Steve had anything to do with running the boat and he said no.  Maybe he's not officially licensed to pilot the boat, but he does sometimes??


NEVER SAID HE WAS CAPTAIN, SAID HE WAS DJ/BOAT DRIVER.  MAYBE LIKE ONE OF THOSE TOUR BUS GUYS WHO SHOWS THE SITES AND TALKS WHILE DRIVING.  QUIEN SABE


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "KerinTX"

scary isn't it Bob? Baltimore huh? Do you know where Middle River is?


Sure.  I live on the other side of town though.  Ellicott City.


ahhh OK. My husband grew up in Middle River. Family is now all in Churchville.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pybird on June 20, 2005, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


littletxlady...who is Gretta married to...just curious.
 
Thx


Greta's hubby~~~John P. Coale: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/john-p-coale.htm

Recently dubbed one of the world’s 100 most powerful women by Forbes Magazine, Van Susteren is the recipient of both the 2000-2001 Sandra Day O'Connor Medal of Honor from Seton Hall University and the American Bar Association Presidential Award for "Excellence in Journalism." (2001). She was also awarded the first place 2002 National Headliners Award as part of an investigative team covering the "Attack on America."

Greta's bio on FOX:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42016,00.html

Very intresting couple.....


Thank you for the links, littletxlady...Very interesting.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
NIKKI...we really need to have your memory reprogrammed to get those images out of your head!!

CALI....but what is it? A FLOATING Courthouse?? Damn woman, keep UP!


I am trying.. I can only paddle so fast after little sleep for what a week on this raft? lol


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: "TG"
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


I think that's just a uniform for show, looks better than a t-shirt and jeans, goes with the theme of the boat.  Plus the people they have interviewed on tv make me believe he doesn't operate the boat.  Just my opinion.  Flame me......


REMEMBER HE CALLED HIMSELF FIRST OFFICER ON HIS WEBSITE


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:49:16 PM
Cali...I hope you get us some more info on the Kalpoes. I know Nancy said they are nice and I will go with that for now.

I do however have some questions about this boat and who exactly is the DJ and who is the captain...and are they interchangeable? Because Steve Croes is either a pretty versatile guy who has a lot of talents or he is just a DJ. What difference? Don't know at this point.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 20, 2005, 11:49:20 PM
........


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: la_cavalière on June 20, 2005, 11:50:00 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


This story was very likely pulled from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog.


Title: SCIENTOLOGY
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Personal opinion:  wouldn't want to be on the witness chair if Greta Vansusteran was doing her stacatto questioning act...I met her in the Ronal Reagan Airport just before she went down to Florida to report on the Bush v. Gore thingy...

She's just like on the TV...asks you Q's...probes and is so disarmingly plain.  

Don't ever underestimate this woman.

She and her hubby are said to be high on the list of the most powerful people in the biz. (wealthiest also)
Did you see her before her plastic surgery?
Quote

What most people need to learn in life is how to love people
and use things instead of using people and loving things.


littletxlady...who is Gretta married to...just curious.
 
Thx


Greta's hubby~~~John P. Coale: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/john-p-coale.htm

Recently dubbed one of the world’s 100 most powerful women by Forbes Magazine, Van Susteren is the recipient of both the 2000-2001 Sandra Day O'Connor Medal of Honor from Seton Hall University and the American Bar Association Presidential Award for "Excellence in Journalism." (2001). She was also awarded the first place 2002 National Headliners Award as part of an investigative team covering the "Attack on America."

Greta's bio on FOX:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42016,00.html

Very intresting couple.....


Thank you for the links, littletxlady...Very interesting.


NOT TO MENTION THEIR AFFILIATION WITH SCIENTOLOGY


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:51:48 PM
oh and FOM...I have no idea if it is a full moon. I haven't seen the sky in at night in a few weeks. Hold on though...going outside.


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:52:03 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Pinball Wizard"
Quote from: "ChytownEd"
That's him, all right. (Croes)

Thanks.  (And to the others who agreed, too!)

Then it appears he is not "just" a DJ and perhaps does have something to do with running the boat, based upon his uniform.


AmericanInAruba and DJTaylor, both of whom know him, said he was the captain, so it's odd that they keep referring to him as just the dj.  The guy from diario was asked by Greta if Steve had anything to do with running the boat and he said no.  Maybe he's not officially licensed to pilot the boat, but he does sometimes??


NEVER SAID HE WAS CAPTAIN, SAID HE WAS DJ/BOAT DRIVER.  MAYBE LIKE ONE OF THOSE TOUR BUS GUYS WHO SHOWS THE SITES AND TALKS WHILE DRIVING.  QUIEN SABE


Thanks for the clarification.  It still contradicts what the Diario guy said, though.


Title: STEVE CROES
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:52:23 PM
WE OLDTIMERS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH STEVE.  WE HAVE SEEN HIS TICKLE SITE, WHERE HE PLAYS VIRTUAL AIRLINE, ETC.  HE CALLED HIMSELF FIRST OFFICER AND HIS FAVORITE ACTIVITY WAS DRIVING HIS YACHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 20, 2005, 11:52:47 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
oh and FOM...I have no idea if it is a full moon. I haven't seen the sky in at night in a few weeks. Hold on though...going outside.


full moon's on wednesday...what is 'ghosting'?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
oh and FOM...I have no idea if it is a full moon. I haven't seen the sky in at night in a few weeks. Hold on though...going outside.[/quo

 :D You just siad granny's drawers..now you are saying FULL MOON?? EWWWWW


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: JessesMom on June 20, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I was looking on Yahoo this morning to see if they have any groups focusing on the Natalee Holloway case.  I was horrified to find a group (the first one listed) that said some truly innappropriate things about NH.  I will spare you the details but it was some vile name calling.

I reported the matter to Yahoo and they have yet to respond.  When I checked a few minutes ago, the group was still listed.  It is really disgusting that people can do this and even worse that Yahoo doesn't seem to care.


Yahoo won't ever do anything .... you can say anything and they don't care.  Their message boards are totally out of control.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 20, 2005, 11:53:20 PM
Somehow I just can't see the daughter of Beth Holloway Twitty doing something irresponsible.  If she's anything like her mother, and by all accounts she is, she must have been coerced in some way that night.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 20, 2005, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...I hope you get us some more info on the Kalpoes. I know Nancy said they are nice and I will go with that for now.

I do however have some questions about this boat and who exactly is the DJ and who is the captain...and are they interchangeable? Because Steve Croes is either a pretty versatile guy who has a lot of talents or he is just a DJ. What difference? Don't know at this point.


Okay, I can comment on Steve a little bit.

He's a DJ, the usual story we hear about being a great person, dad etc etc. This again though, coming from his mom.  :D So, ya know, not sure how accurate that is being as we hear nice things about all of them generally. Not toally confirmed but I believe he and Deepak went to school together.

I can confirm Satish's HS but not Deepak's as of yet. I would, I hate ASSUMING lol, make the assumption, that if one brother went to a school the other attended the same school.

No honor student no awards, like any of that matters but Joran's was put out there so I shall be fair.  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:54:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...I hope you get us some more info on the Kalpoes. I know Nancy said they are nice and I will go with that for now.

I do however have some questions about this boat and who exactly is the DJ and who is the captain...and are they interchangeable? Because Steve Croes is either a pretty versatile guy who has a lot of talents or he is just a DJ. What difference? Don't know at this point.


To be clear, I was told this is a very nice family. And the woman I communicated with also taught both boys and said they are very nice boys.  The family is loving and involved with their kids.  This doesn't mean they are innocent...just gives a backdrop and sketch of the family.  And, also they have a 14 year old sister who is devastated.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


This story was very likely pulled from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog.



I dont tink i have read valentijn's g/f's blog...link?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2005, 11:55:30 PM
I found the most revealing moment of Greta's show tonight was in her interview with Aruban attorney, Lincoln Gomez.  

She asked him what the other lawyers in Aruba were saying about the case.

He replied, "At the end of the day, they say, look...it's a simple case, and what's going on is what's supposed to be.  The prosecutor is doing his job, the court system is doing what it's supposed to do, and in a few more weeks we'll know whether charges will be pressed against any of the suspects."

Perhaps that, more than anything we've seen or heard, gives a clear indication that the lack of information disclosed to the public in no way suggests that this isn't an open-and-shut slam dunk case for the prosecution.

On a side note, Gomez also said that, while there's no death penalty in Aruba, they have life imprisonment, and a maximum sentence of 20 years.  

Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.  

It's rather disturbing to think Joran could have killed her in a calculated, cold-blooded fashion, and that, at worst, he would be out of prison by the time he was 37, with the better part of his life still to live.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 20, 2005, 11:57:27 PM
Here in lovely Texas:
10:56 CT, mid 70's, clear skies, looks like it is a full moon or very close (hard to tell since my contacts are melted on my eyeballs)

Does that help FOM?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 20, 2005, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Here in lovely Texas:
10:56 CT, mid 70's, clear skies, looks like it is a full moon or very close (hard to tell since my contacts are melted on my eyeballs)

Does that help FOM?


OK, i am being blonde again...what is FOM?? :oops:


Title: Re: SCIENTOLOGY
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 20, 2005, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"

Greta's hubby~~~John P. Coale: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/john-p-coale.htm

Recently dubbed one of the world’s 100 most powerful women by Forbes Magazine, Van Susteren is the recipient of both the 2000-2001 Sandra Day O'Connor Medal of Honor from Seton Hall University and the American Bar Association Presidential Award for "Excellence in Journalism." (2001). She was also awarded the first place 2002 National Headliners Award as part of an investigative team covering the "Attack on America."

Greta's bio on FOX:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42016,00.html

Very intresting couple.....


Wow, I didn't know Greta was a scientologist...  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: ChytownEd on June 20, 2005, 11:59:18 PM
You're right - the uniform could be just for show. But the picture's a find anyway. Interesting stuff.


Title: STEVE
Post by: iquitos on June 20, 2005, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...I hope you get us some more info on the Kalpoes. I know Nancy said they are nice and I will go with that for now.

I do however have some questions about this boat and who exactly is the DJ and who is the captain...and are they interchangeable? Because Steve Croes is either a pretty versatile guy who has a lot of talents or he is just a DJ. What difference? Don't know at this point.


Okay, I can comment on Steve a little bit.

He's a DJ, the usual story we hear about being a great person, dad etc etc. This again though, coming from his mom.  :D So, ya know, not sure how accurate that is being as we hear nice things about all of them generally. Not toally confirmed but I believe he and Deepak went to school together.

I can confirm Satish's HS but not Deepak's as of yet. I would, I hate ASSUMING lol, make the assumption, that if one brother went to a school the other attended the same school.

No honor student no awards, like any of that matters but Joran's was put out there so I shall be fair.  :D
 CALI:  FAVORABLE COMMENTS I HAVE SEEN ABOUT STEVE COME FROM HIS EX WIFE  MOTHER OF HIS SON THE LADY SEEN CRYING IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE TODAY AND HIS EMPLOYER, WIGGINS.  IF DEEPAK WENT TO THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL THEN STEVE DID NOT.  WHO WAS IT THAT FOUND A REFERENCE TO SATISH IN A SCHOOL IN HOLLAND YESTERDAY?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 20, 2005, 11:59:41 PM
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Title: Re: STEVE
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Cali...I hope you get us some more info on the Kalpoes. I know Nancy said they are nice and I will go with that for now.

I do however have some questions about this boat and who exactly is the DJ and who is the captain...and are they interchangeable? Because Steve Croes is either a pretty versatile guy who has a lot of talents or he is just a DJ. What difference? Don't know at this point.


Okay, I can comment on Steve a little bit.

He's a DJ, the usual story we hear about being a great person, dad etc etc. This again though, coming from his mom.  :D So, ya know, not sure how accurate that is being as we hear nice things about all of them generally. Not toally confirmed but I believe he and Deepak went to school together.

I can confirm Satish's HS but not Deepak's as of yet. I would, I hate ASSUMING lol, make the assumption, that if one brother went to a school the other attended the same school.

No honor student no awards, like any of that matters but Joran's was put out there so I shall be fair.  :D
 CALI:  FAVORABLE COMMENTS I HAVE SEEN ABOUT STEVE COME FROM HIS EX WIFE  MOTHER OF HIS SON THE LADY SEEN CRYING IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE TODAY AND HIS EMPLOYER, WIGGINS.  IF DEEPAK WENT TO THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL THEN STEVE DID NOT.  WHO WAS IT THAT FOUND A REFERENCE TO SATISH IN A SCHOOL IN HOLLAND YESTERDAY?


I posted Satish's school.. it is Colegio Arubano


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:02:27 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


This story was very likely pulled from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog.



I dont tink i have read valentijn's g/f's blog...link?
PM'd ya.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2005, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


What, if any, are the laws regarding statutory rape in Aruba?

Is it actually legal for a 17 year old to have sexual relations with a 13 year old there?


Title: Good Evening, Monkeys...
Post by: mountainmac on June 21, 2005, 12:02:59 AM
Just waded through to page 45.....whew....

Hello people....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 12:03:45 AM
he got the shirt from gopher on the love boat..(sorry couldnt resist)


what is ghosting?

fr FOM, whtes ghstong?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
I found the most revealing moment of Greta's show tonight was in her interview with Aruban attorney, Lincoln Gomez.  

She asked him what the other lawyers in Aruba were saying about the case.

He replied, "At the end of the day, they say, look...it's a simple case, and what's going on is what's supposed to be.  The prosecutor is doing his job, the court system is doing what it's supposed to do, and in a few more weeks we'll know whether charges will be pressed against any of the suspects."

Perhaps that, more than anything we've seen or heard, gives a clear indication that the lack of information disclosed to the public in no way suggests that this isn't an open-and-shut slam dunk case for the prosecution.

On a side note, Gomez also said that, while there's no death penalty in Aruba, they have life imprisonment, and a maximum sentence of 20 years.  

Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.  

It's rather disturbing to think Joran could have killed her in a calculated, cold-blooded fashion, and that, at worst, he would be out of prison by the time he was 37, with the better part of his life still to live.


IT WAS GOOD PRIMER.  GRETA HAS BEEN GOOD A GETTING THE BASICS WHILE THE OTHERS STRETCH SENSATION.  I THINK GREAT MUST HAVE HER OWN PRODUCTION CREW.  IF YOU GET LIFE I THINK YOU SERVE FOR 20 YEARS OR LESS THAN THAT IF YOU DIE FIRST.  SO IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH YOU GET LIFE.  JORAN IS A DIFFERENT CASE SINCE HE IS A MINOR.  CNN IS ALSO DOING SERIOUS REPORTING IN THE MANNER OF GREAT.


Title: Re: Good Evening, Monkeys...
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: "mountainmac"
Just waded through to page 45.....whew....

Hello people....


Howdy, have a big drink and put your feet up.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:05:45 AM
From dictionary.com:

4 entries found for chaperone.
chap·er·on or chap·er·one    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (shp-rn)
n.
A person, especially an older or married woman, who accompanies a young unmarried woman in public.
An older person who attends and supervises a social gathering for young people.
A guide or companion whose purpose is to ensure propriety or restrict activity: “to see and feel the rough edges of the society... without the filter of official chaperones” (Philip Taubman).

tr.v. chaper·oned, chaper·on·ing, chaper·ones
To act as chaperon to or for. See Synonyms at accompany.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[French, from chaperon, hood, from Old French, diminutive of chape, cape, head covering. See chape.]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
chaper·onage (-rnj) n.
Word History: The chaperon at a high-school dance seems to have little relationship to what was first signified by the English word chaperon, “a hood for a hawk,” and not even that much to what the word later meant, “a woman who protects a young single woman.” The sense “hood for a hawk,” recorded in a Middle English text composed before 1400, reflects the original meaning of the Old French word chaperon, “hood, headgear.” In order to understand why our chaperon came to have the sense “protector,” we need to know that in French the verb chaperonner, meaning “to cover with a hood,” was derived from chaperon and that this verb subsequently developed the figurative sense “to protect.” Under the influence of the verb sense the French noun chaperon came to mean “escort,” a meaning that was borrowed into English, being found first in a work published in 1720. In its earlier use English chaperon referred to a person, commonly an older woman, who accompanied a young unmarried woman in public to protect her. The English verb chaperon, “to be a chaperon,” is first recorded in Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility, begun in 1796 as a sketch called “Elinor and Marianne” and published as a novel in 1811.

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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Main Entry: chap·er·one
Pronunciation: 'shap-&-"rOn
Function: noun
: any of a class of proteins (as heat shock proteins) that facilitate the proper folding of proteins by binding to and stabilizing unfolded or partially folded proteins called also chaperone protein, molecular chaperone


Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


chaperone

n : one who accompanies and supervises a young woman or gatherings of young people [syn: chaperon] v : accompany as a chaperone [syn: chaperon]


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University


Title: Re: Good Evening, Monkeys...
Post by: mountainmac on June 21, 2005, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "mountainmac"
Just waded through to page 45.....whew....

Hello people....


Howdy, have a big drink and put your feet up.


 :D I could use one after reading all that. How is everyone tonight....don't mean to interrupt any current posts/conversations/thoughts/etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 21, 2005, 12:06:13 AM
Just went to cnn.com -- not a single update on the Natalee situation.  But they had no problem making room for an article on the idiot in the UK who squirted Tom Cruise in the face with a watergun.  

There is something wrong with that picture.


Title: Which of the 4 suspect attempted suicide
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 12:07:11 AM
I have read that one of the suspect attempted suicide do we know who?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Scott"
I found the most revealing moment of Greta's show tonight was in her interview with Aruban attorney, Lincoln Gomez.  

She asked him what the other lawyers in Aruba were saying about the case.

He replied, "At the end of the day, they say, look...it's a simple case, and what's going on is what's supposed to be.  The prosecutor is doing his job, the court system is doing what it's supposed to do, and in a few more weeks we'll know whether charges will be pressed against any of the suspects."

Perhaps that, more than anything we've seen or heard, gives a clear indication that the lack of information disclosed to the public in no way suggests that this isn't an open-and-shut slam dunk case for the prosecution.

On a side note, Gomez also said that, while there's no death penalty in Aruba, they have life imprisonment, and a maximum sentence of 20 years.  

Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.  

It's rather disturbing to think Joran could have killed her in a calculated, cold-blooded fashion, and that, at worst, he would be out of prison by the time he was 37, with the better part of his life still to live.


IT WAS GOOD PRIMER.  GRETA HAS BEEN GOOD A GETTING THE BASICS WHILE THE OTHERS STRETCH SENSATION.  I THINK GREAT MUST HAVE HER OWN PRODUCTION CREW.  IF YOU GET LIFE I THINK YOU SERVE FOR 20 YEARS OR LESS THAN THAT IF YOU DIE FIRST.  SO IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH YOU GET LIFE.  JORAN IS A DIFFERENT CASE SINCE HE IS A MINOR.  CNN IS ALSO DOING SERIOUS REPORTING IN THE MANNER OF GREAT.



Maybe the longest sentence is life, if you get the bad end of 20 years to life.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Just went to cnn.com -- not a single update on the Natalee situation.  But they had no problem making room for an article on the idiot in the UK who squirted Tom Cruise in the face with a watergun.  

There is something wrong with that picture.


They started pulling it off the header section yesterday. WE LOVE FOX>WE LOVE FOX sorry just fit there.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 12:07:39 AM
Two observations:
#1. They have hired a lawyer and if a lawsuit is being planned it will probably not be the first they file. First is grief, then anger.  No doubt we'll also see a lawsuit for wrongful death/disapperance against Aruban officials/Police, C & Cs, the chaperones regardless of any signed disclaimers or what the chaperones role was supposed to be. Not saying this is right or wrong..just human nature.  I'd probably do the same. Trust me on this...Lawyers are salivating as we speak.  

#2. As someone who is around teens a lot...A 16-17 year old and a 13-14 year old is certainly not a rare occurence in the southern United States. I've seen a lot of 13 year old girls act like they are going on 20 and a lot of 17 year old boys who act like they are 13. Kudos to the mother for breaking it off because it would seem too great an age discrepancy giving Joran's free styling ways, but it is not so outside of the norm that it should be the subject of speculation for anything other than what it appears to be on the surface.  Not that I would want to suggest that anyone curb speculation on this forum in any way...How foolish would that be....LOL...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 12:07:45 AM
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  Given the pressure from the US and from Aruba to solve this case fast...it makes sense they may have consented to use a lie detector as an investigative tool...especially if they can't break through the differing stories via interrogations.

I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

And, the Twittys filing suit makes total sense.  Since they are somewhat concerned there's a cover-up here and there may be corruption or some such thing...their suit will help them see exactly what evidence and investigative choices were made.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 12:07:58 AM
We don't know if it happened.  If it happened we don't know whom.


It was in one issue of an Aruban paper.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
he got the shirt from gopher on the love boat..(sorry couldnt resist)


what is ghosting?

fr FOM, whtes ghstong?



Cute Tuber!  I am new at blogging too!  Would like to know about ghosting and FOM ...??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Chef_Hoovisan on June 21, 2005, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
he got the shirt from gopher on the love boat..(sorry couldnt resist)


what is ghosting?

fr FOM, whtes ghstong?


Ghosting is when you completely ignore trolls so that they will go away. Trolls are pathetic people who post solely to offend and enrage other people.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:08:40 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Here in lovely Texas:
10:56 CT, mid 70's, clear skies, looks like it is a full moon or very close (hard to tell since my contacts are melted on my eyeballs)

Does that help FOM?


OK, i am being blonde again...what is FOM?? :oops:


Friend of Monkey, silly!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:08:44 AM
Hi Mountain!


Title: Re: Which of the 4 suspect attempted suicide
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
I have read that one of the suspect attempted suicide do we know who?


Not yet and we only have this from 1 source.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:10:06 AM
Night all.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:10:58 AM
Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 12:10:59 AM
Beth mentioned the suit in the interview.  But they did not stop much.  Said they had contact through the lawyer.  Then mentioned that if they were going to have access they had to file something and she and Natalee's father decided they had to have a lawyer and do this.  I missed the whatever it was they were filing.

Is there a transcript of the interview.  I hate audio files and would much rather read it than hear it again.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 21, 2005, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.
And you are right... I can confirm that in almost european countries the equivalent to US "life imprisonment" is 20 years max.
Beside that exists the judicial "sum" (I don't know if that is the correct word) it's something like that: in the final sentence the sum of all penalties cannot pass the 20-years limit. :!:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 21, 2005, 12:11:31 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.


Yeah, past my bedtime too.  Goodnight.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:11:38 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


How dare you be on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:11:50 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


What, if any, are the laws regarding statutory rape in Aruba?

Is it actually legal for a 17 year old to have sexual relations with a 13 year old there?
 

AND WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SEXUAL RELATIONS.


Title: Mrs. Twitty & Dash Interview
Post by: mountainmac on June 21, 2005, 12:12:17 AM
Can I view their interview online....? Foxnews.com maybe? Or I wonder if that Natalee Holloway tripod site has it up yet? Anyone know?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:12:29 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Beth mentioned the suit in the interview.  But they did not stop much.  Said they had contact through the lawyer.  Then mentioned that if they were going to have access they had to file something and she and Natalee's father decided they had to have a lawyer and do this.  I missed the whatever it was they were filing.

Is there a transcript of the interview.  I hate audio files and would much rather read it than hear it again.


http://www.nbc13.com/news/4632430/detail.html showing up all over.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:12:46 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


Native - Does 20 years mean 20 years?  In other words, here in the states you can get a 20 year sentence and get out on parole in 7.

Thanks for your help as usual!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Beth mentioned the suit in the interview.  But they did not stop much.  Said they had contact through the lawyer.  Then mentioned that if they were going to have access they had to file something and she and Natalee's father decided they had to have a lawyer and do this.  I missed the whatever it was they were filing.

Is there a transcript of the interview.  I hate audio files and would much rather read it than hear it again.


If you go to Greta's site on Fox you will find the transcripts.  It's a little hard to find as it's under archived interviews.  I'll go look and see if I can find it for you.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:12:48 AM
Someone in the Greta interview said it would be highly unlikely to convict without a body. Did anyone else hear that?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:12:50 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


There was an explanation of the laws governing sex with underage people on this site:  http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:12:50 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


What, if any, are the laws regarding statutory rape in Aruba?

Is it actually legal for a 17 year old to have sexual relations with a 13 year old there?



NO...It's Illegal


Title: Re: Pictures from boat
Post by: Pinball Wizard on June 21, 2005, 12:13:16 AM
Quote from: "TG"

I think that's just a uniform for show, looks better than a t-shirt and jeans, goes with the theme of the boat.  Plus the people they have interviewed on tv make me believe he doesn't operate the boat.  Just my opinion.  Flame me......

I was wondering about that, too.  But in the photos, there are other staff wearing t-shirts that have the Tattoo logo on them, and only one or two men are wearing pilot's uniforms.  Maybe he just played Gilligan and helped out by operating the water taxis, but not the party boat itself...


Title: Re: Which of the 4 suspect attempted suicide
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
I have read that one of the suspect attempted suicide do we know who?
 

BONDIA ARUBA REPORTED THIS MORNING THAT ONE OF THE 3 ATTEMPTED SUICIDE BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHICH.  NO MSM ON THIS.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:14:56 AM
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:15:33 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


Native - Does 20 years mean 20 years?  In other words, here in the states you can get a 20 year sentence and get out on parole in 7.

Thanks for your help as usual!


No...20 is usually NOT 20...they do take time off for good behavior, for pre-trial time in custody, etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2005, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"

#2. As someone who is around teens a lot...A 16-17 year old and a 13-14 year old is certainly not a rare occurence in the southern United States. I've seen a lot of 13 year old girls act like they are going on 20 and a lot of 17 year old boys who act like they are 13. Kudos to the mother for breaking it off because it would seem too great an age discrepancy giving Joran's free styling ways, but it is not so outside of the norm that it should be the subject of speculation for anything other than what it appears to be on the surface.  Not that I would want to suggest that anyone curb speculation on this forum in any way...How foolish would that be....LOL...


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2903097.html

No 13 year old can legally have sex in the United States.

In fact, in Alabama, if a 17 year old were to have sex with a 12 year old, he can be sentenced to death.

If I had a 13 year old daughter who was taken advantage of by the likes of JVDS, I would be going with the justifiable homicide defense.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


How dare you be on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


well my daughter left for cheerleading camp today, Cali. She called to check in like I requested and the first thing she tells me is she got separated from her group today. Before she could finish the sentence I was telling her I was on my way there.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: cathicus on June 21, 2005, 12:17:09 AM
Hi, I've been reading the board for over a week and finally registered today.  I love reading all your messages...when I can keep up, that is.  :)

Perhaps it's been mentioned before but does anyone have an address for the hotal Beth Twitty is staying at?  I'd love to send her a card and perhaps others might want to send something as well.  She may not have time to read our messages but at least she'll know that we're thinking of her and her family at this time.

You guys are great.  I look forward to reading more.  Adding my prayers and thoughts to many others for the Holloway family.


Title: SEE UPDATE ARTICLE FROM AMIGOE
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


There was an explanation of the laws governing sex with underage people on this site:  http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


I THINK YOU ARE WRONG,  JORAN IS A MINOR FOR PURPOSES OF THIS CASE AND THAT IS CONFIRMED BY THE PUBLIC MINISTRY IN THE SUBJECT ARTICLE IN AMIGOE.   ARE YOU CONFUSING SEX CRIMES?   WHAT ARE THE DUTCH AGES OF CONSENT?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:


No I haven't. I still say he has a woman  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 12:17:49 AM
Native Lingo -- can you tell us what you've heard today on the other missing persons report and another possible murder (not the partial decapitation) that was discussed earlier today, and if there has been any association with the Holloway case?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


Native - Does 20 years mean 20 years?  In other words, here in the states you can get a 20 year sentence and get out on parole in 7.

Thanks for your help as usual!


No...20 is usually NOT 20...they do take time off for good behavior, for pre-trial time in custody, etc.


Yikes; so if Jaron is charged and found guilty of murder (yeah, big assumption at this point), he could be out in his mid 30's??  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Here in lovely Texas:
10:56 CT, mid 70's, clear skies, looks like it is a full moon or very close (hard to tell since my contacts are melted on my eyeballs)

Does that help FOM?


OK, i am being blonde again...what is FOM?? :oops:


Friend of Monkey, silly!



Now it ALL makes sense..and with that, I am going to bed...'night all!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:18:58 AM
Night Nikki  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: "cathicus"
Hi, I've been reading the board for over a week and finally registered today.  I love reading all your messages...when I can keep up, that is.  :)

Perhaps it's been mentioned before but does anyone have an address for the hotal Beth Twitty is staying at?  I'd love to send her a card and perhaps others might want to send something as well.  She may not have time to read our messages but at least she'll know that we're thinking of her and her family at this time.

You guys are great.  I look forward to reading more.  Adding my prayers and thoughts to many others for the Holloway family.


ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO  
 
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ***
ARUBA
297-58-63600

Probably not the best way to contact them though. Mail from here to there is not speedy.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "chelsblu"

#2. As someone who is around teens a lot...A 16-17 year old and a 13-14 year old is certainly not a rare occurence in the southern United States. I've seen a lot of 13 year old girls act like they are going on 20 and a lot of 17 year old boys who act like they are 13. Kudos to the mother for breaking it off because it would seem too great an age discrepancy giving Joran's free styling ways, but it is not so outside of the norm that it should be the subject of speculation for anything other than what it appears to be on the surface.  Not that I would want to suggest that anyone curb speculation on this forum in any way...How foolish would that be....LOL...


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2903097.html

No 13 year old can legally have sex in the United States.

In fact, in Alabama, if a 17 year old were to have sex with a 12 year old, he can be sentenced to death.

If I had a 13 year old daughter who was taken advantage of by the likes of JVDS, I would be going with the justifiable homicide defense.


But I thought most people in Alabama were married and pregnant by 13...

It's a joke!!  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 21, 2005, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.


Yeah, past my bedtime too.  Goodnight.


Good night. :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: pybird on June 21, 2005, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  Given the pressure from the US and from Aruba to solve this case fast...it makes sense they may have consented to use a lie detector as an investigative tool...especially if they can't break through the differing stories via interrogations.

I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

And, the Twittys filing suit makes total sense.  Since they are somewhat concerned there's a cover-up here and there may be corruption or some such thing...their suit will help them see exactly what evidence and investigative choices were made.[/quote

I hope they did not give JVDS a polygraph.  I see this as going outside the law/norm in Aruba.  If true, could this possibly lead to his case being thrown out of court?  That is if he is ever charged?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


How dare you be on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


well my daughter left for cheerleading camp today, Cali. She called to check in like I requested and the first thing she tells me is she got separated from her group today. Before she could finish the sentence I was telling her I was on my way there.


Oh WOW! I don't blame you Kerin!


So sorry to hear that (((Hugs)))


Title: AGE OF CONSENT
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:20:50 AM
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO BASIS FOR BELEIVING THAT JORAN HAS HAD SEX WITH A MINOR HERE IS THE AGE OF CONSENT:  
The age of consent in the Netherlands is 16, but it probably is going to be raised to 18 in the next few months.  MAXIMUN PUNISHMENT IS 12 YEARS


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:22:27 AM
Tila...

I love your pic BTW!
Okay time for Cali to take a bath.. I think I am stuch with a house quest for a week coming over late tonite..grrr I hate being a sucker!! lol

BBL


Title: Re: AGE OF CONSENT
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:22:54 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO BASIS FOR BELEIVING THAT JORAN HAS HAD SEX WITH A MINOR HERE IS THE AGE OF CONSENT:  
The age of consent in the Netherlands is 16, but it probably is going to be raised to 18 in the next few months.  MAXIMUN PUNISHMENT IS 12 YEARS


12 years for sex, 20 for murder??  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


How dare you be on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


well my daughter left for cheerleading camp today, Cali. She called to check in like I requested and the first thing she tells me is she got separated from her group today. Before she could finish the sentence I was telling her I was on my way there.


Oh WOW! I don't blame you Kerin!


So sorry to hear that (((Hugs)))

she's fine. she was laughing after I went ballistic. Kids! But I was just about to drive 5 hours...with my laptop in tow!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2005, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"

AND WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SEXUAL RELATIONS.


Joran did date an eastern asian girl who could not have been any older than 13, a 7th grader, during the 2004/2005 school year, and their relationship was apparently on the down-low, being inappropriate, apparently, in Aruba, the Netherlands, or pretty much anywhere else in the civilized western world. Her mother discovered the relationship early in March and forced them to break up.


Are we going to have a Bill Clinton-like discussion of what the meaning of is, is, or how you define 'sexual relations'?   :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 12:24:25 AM
"AND WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SEXUAL RELATIONS".

That was my point exactly Iquitos. I could not find anything mentioned beyond "romantic involvement" and speculation as in "why else would the mother have broken it up". But again..no facts just speculation about any kind of sexual relationship.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 21, 2005, 12:24:35 AM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  
I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

Hi Nancy
I just peeked in this evening and saw your question. I have been keeping track of this.  First all 3 boys said they took NH back to the HI. Then after they were questioned separately the brothers changed their story and said that they dropped JVS and NH at the Marriot.  At the same time JVS said that they dropped him home first and continued to the HI with NH.

2 days ago JVS changed his story to match the brothers and now alleges that they dropped him off at the Marriot and then (he left NH sleeping at the beach)  the sleeping part is new today.

Hope this is what you were looking for.  Have a good evening.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: "dandylion"
Native Lingo -- can you tell us what you've heard today on the other missing persons report and another possible murder (not the partial decapitation) that was discussed earlier today, and if there has been any association with the Holloway case?


I heard that the other missing person is the one they assume is a suicide/attempted suicide case and not related to the NH case.
I know there was an attempted murder of a woman yesterday....A "Lover's" thing....she was pretty critical and I don't know wether she made it or not.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 21, 2005, 12:25:39 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Yikes; so if Jaron is charged and found guilty of murder (yeah, big assumption at this point), he could be out in his mid 30's??  :shock:

30??? are you kidding???
The maximux is 20yr (but reduced +/- to half due to good behavior... so, max=10)
Since pre-trial counts and he's minor... I could say he's out before the 26th anniversary!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  Given the pressure from the US and from Aruba to solve this case fast...it makes sense they may have consented to use a lie detector as an investigative tool...especially if they can't break through the differing stories via interrogations.

I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

And, the Twittys filing suit makes total sense.  Since they are somewhat concerned there's a cover-up here and there may be corruption or some such thing...their suit will help them see exactly what evidence and investigative choices were made.[/quote

I hope they did not give JVDS a polygraph.  I see this as going outside the law/norm in Aruba.  If true, could this possibly lead to his case being thrown out of court?  That is if he is ever charged?


I doubt it's illegal to use it as an investigative tool.  It's not legal in court in many states here, but it's used routinely as an investigative tool.  Most good defense attorneys do insist on certain guidelines when they are used with clients.

I did hear an Aruban anaylst say it's illegal to use, not sure if he meant in court, or at all.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 21, 2005, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Tila...

I love your pic BTW!
Okay time for Cali to take a bath.. I think I am stuch with a house quest for a week coming over late tonite..grrr I hate being a sucker!! lol

BBL


Thank you.  :)   Have a good night everyone!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:26:05 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Native Lingo -- can you tell us what you've heard today on the other missing persons report and another possible murder (not the partial decapitation) that was discussed earlier today, and if there has been any association with the Holloway case?


I heard that the other missing person is the one they assume is a suicide/attempted suicide case and not related to the NH case.
I know there was an attempted murder of a woman yesterday....A "Lover's" thing....she was pretty critical and I don't know wether she made it or not.....


Like Arubagirl mentioned earlier this has been one of the (if not THE) worse months in Aruban history :cry:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:26:36 AM
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


Title: Link re a Tattoo cruise DJ
Post by: ChytownEd on June 21, 2005, 12:27:05 AM
From an Aruba travel site:

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-385.html

Wonder if the "sweaty DJ" is Steve Croes.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: lainey on June 21, 2005, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: "absolut"

Probably not the best way to contact them though. Mail from here to there is not speedy.


Yeah, we sent postcards from Jamaica and were home a month before they got here.  From Mexico it was only like 2 weeks.  I don't complain about the USPS anymore.... :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:29:14 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Native Lingo -- can you tell us what you've heard today on the other missing persons report and another possible murder (not the partial decapitation) that was discussed earlier today, and if there has been any association with the Holloway case?


I heard that the other missing person is the one they assume is a suicide/attempted suicide case and not related to the NH case.
I know there was an attempted murder of a woman yesterday....A "Lover's" thing....she was pretty critical and I don't know wether she made it or not.....

Unfortunately Native what your island may be seeing with the sudden increase in crime is just exactly what most places in the rest of the world are experiencing. I would say that if your island has been so crime free for this long, it was just a matter of time before things changed.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:29:33 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


Title: I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:30:10 AM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


This story was very likely pulled from Valentijn's girlfriend's blog.


MAYBE THEY GOT THE WRONG VANDERSLOOT.  REMEMBER VALENTIJ CLAIMS TO BE 18 ON HIS SITE.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:30:13 AM
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Yikes; so if Jaron is charged and found guilty of murder (yeah, big assumption at this point), he could be out in his mid 30's??  :shock:

30??? are you kidding???
The maximux is 20yr (but reduced +/- to half due to good behavior... so, max=10)
Since pre-trial counts and he's minor... I could say he's out before the 26th anniversary!


Something tells me *if* he were to be convicted and *if* he were to get out in less than 10 years, he may be safer in prison...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 12:30:14 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


If you have the stomach for it look up "shocker" on urbandictionary.com


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 12:30:15 AM
Quote from: "GutFeeling"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  
I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

Hi Nancy
I just peeked in this evening and saw your question. I have been keeping track of this.  First all 3 boys said they took NH back to the HI. Then after they were questioned separately the brothers changed their story and said that they dropped JVS and NH at the Marriot.  At the same time JVS said that they dropped him home first and continued to the HI with NH.

2 days ago JVS changed his story to match the brothers and now alleges that they dropped him off at the Marriot and then (he left NH sleeping at the beach)  the sleeping part is new today.

Hope this is what you were looking for.  Have a good evening.


GutFeeling:

What do you think of this?

Thank you so much!  Hmmmmm, since the boys haven't spoken to each other, or so we're told,  I wonder how the stories ended up matching?  (If this report is true)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:30:29 AM
Okay, back from my hour long phone call.  What did I miss in that 10 pages of talking you guys did while I was gone!!!  Man, can't even take a call from a possible suiter without missing pages and pages of stuff here!!!!  What can a girl do?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:31:40 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:32:07 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


I heard it is a reference to a sex act.  I'm too modest to tell you the meaning.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: boxopen on June 21, 2005, 12:32:57 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Yikes; so if Jaron is charged and found guilty of murder (yeah, big assumption at this point), he could be out in his mid 30's??  :shock:

30??? are you kidding???
The maximux is 20yr (but reduced +/- to half due to good behavior... so, max=10)
Since pre-trial counts and he's minor... I could say he's out before the 26th anniversary!
Something tells me *if* he were to be convicted and *if* he were to get out in less than 10 years, he may be safer in prison...
I will bet the farm in the 1st *if*  8)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 21, 2005, 12:33:58 AM
Nancy-Drew

I think they planned a sequence of stories when they had the time.  I think they were no where near any of them.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:34:08 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


I heard it is a reference to a sex act.  I'm too modest to tell you the meaning.


I may be wrong, but I think the "S_X act" sign you are talking about involves THREE fingers  :oops:


Title: AMIGOE CURACAO
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:34:17 AM
AMIGOE CURACAO

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother. According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that." According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem. Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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NOTE JORAN IS A MINOR IN THE CASE


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "GutFeeling"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  
I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

Hi Nancy
I just peeked in this evening and saw your question. I have been keeping track of this.  First all 3 boys said they took NH back to the HI. Then after they were questioned separately the brothers changed their story and said that they dropped JVS and NH at the Marriot.  At the same time JVS said that they dropped him home first and continued to the HI with NH.

2 days ago JVS changed his story to match the brothers and now alleges that they dropped him off at the Marriot and then (he left NH sleeping at the beach)  the sleeping part is new today.

Hope this is what you were looking for.  Have a good evening.


GutFeeling:

What do you think of this?

Thank you so much!  Hmmmmm, since the boys haven't spoken to each other, or so we're told,  I wonder how the stories ended up matching?  (If this report is true)

Nancy, that was one thing I heard on news today. A report that daddy VDS was called back in because now that he and Joran cannot compare notes, their stories (as far as timing) differed significantly.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 12:34:53 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "dandylion"
Native Lingo -- can you tell us what you've heard today on the other missing persons report and another possible murder (not the partial decapitation) that was discussed earlier today, and if there has been any association with the Holloway case?


I heard that the other missing person is the one they assume is a suicide/attempted suicide case and not related to the NH case.
I know there was an attempted murder of a woman yesterday....A "Lover's" thing....she was pretty critical and I don't know wether she made it or not.....


Thanks for the info Native -- after the first murder was reported Saturday, it just seemed to guide speculation toward the sex slave/ drug trade.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 21, 2005, 12:36:16 AM
Quote from: "GutFeeling"
Nancy-Drew

I think they planned a sequence of stories when they had the time.  I think they were no where near any of them.


Sorry I'm really tired, I meant ...
I think they were no where near any of those places.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:36:20 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Okay, back from my hour long phone call.  What did I miss in that 10 pages of talking you guys did while I was gone!!!  Man, can't even take a call from a possible suiter without missing pages and pages of stuff here!!!!  What can a girl do?


DF!!! Cali just blasted me for being on the phone. So glad you are back!! (and who is this SUITOR anyway??) LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:36:52 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:


No I haven't. I still say he has a woman  :)
Whutchutalkinbout A woman?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:37:07 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Didn't mean to offend, it's just that the crime rate is reported to be very low, but it seems that there are reports of more crimes in 3 weeks time than the average yearly total.  

I think someone should put a webcam up near that shark feeding place, could help solve some crimes.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:38:20 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Cali went to bed, TT. How dare you not tell us where you were.  :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:39:16 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:


No I haven't. I still say he has a woman  :)
Whutchutalkinbout A woman?



huh? what???? me????


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Didn't mean to offend, it's just that the crime rate is reported to be very low, but it seems that there are reports of more crimes in 3 weeks time than the average yearly total.  

I think someone should put a webcam up near that shark feeding place, could help solve some crimes.


I don't know what's going on Arraba.....bad luck....curse....fluke.......
This is just NOT normal......

There is no shark feeding place.......there used to be one like 25 years ago......but not anymore.....


Title: Re: AGE OF CONSENT
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:40:22 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO BASIS FOR BELEIVING THAT JORAN HAS HAD SEX WITH A MINOR HERE IS THE AGE OF CONSENT:  
The age of consent in the Netherlands is 16, but it probably is going to be raised to 18 in the next few months.  MAXIMUN PUNISHMENT IS 12 YEARS
MSM (Geraldo?) said he had 14 yr old gf, didn't know about sex!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


If you have the stomach for it look up "shocker" on urbandictionary.com


haha thanks man(?), i am a 30 year old guy, therefore i am well versed in shocking and the sign that is made is different


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:

NO I DID NOT ::::pouting::::


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: lainey on June 21, 2005, 12:41:11 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"


I heard it is a reference to a sex act.  I'm too modest to tell you the meaning.


The one with the pinky,middle and index extended it the sexual one.  I had said earlier all the kids around here do that side peace sign thingy and say peace out.  Not sure if that is what it really means and that is just what is said.  My son is not into that crap yet with making hand signs.  He was all confused at a concert because we did the i love you sign ( pinky, middle and thumb out) and he thought it was bad.  LOLit was a Clay AIken concert, how bad could u be...heh,  :P

Dang it, my sons mentor was here tonight and I forgot to ask him because we had a mental health crisis with my son today (he is bipolar).  I will try to ask about it on Thursday, the mentor works in a Level 3 group home so I am sure he knows them all.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Okay, back from my hour long phone call.  What did I miss in that 10 pages of talking you guys did while I was gone!!!  Man, can't even take a call from a possible suiter without missing pages and pages of stuff here!!!!  What can a girl do?


DF!!! Cali just blasted me for being on the phone. So glad you are back!! (and who is this SUITOR anyway??) LOL


You've been on the phone too?!!  lol.  Oh, this is a suiter that I have a history with (not bad, but didn't work out) and he's trying so very hard to convince me of how great he'll be this time...lol...been calling every single night for 2 weeks.  First week I wouldn't pick up cause of being one here..lol..remember last week when I got busted red handed not picking up the phone because they were at the door and knew I was home?  He was one of them!!!  lol.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: wolfeladyinbama on June 21, 2005, 12:41:38 AM
But I thought most people in Alabama were married and pregnant by 13...

It's a joke!! Posted by a MORON

You may think this is very funny, and that your idiotic sense of humor is appreciated here..........but I have to say it is not. This is no better than the people that are doggin the island..........ignorance will make people say very stupid things, and in this case it is very apparent. Take your show ON THE ROAD>>>>>>>>>>>cause you will not get any laughs here. Proud to be from Alabama, and I am well educated, a business woman, a good mother, and GUESS WHAT>>>>>>>>>NOT married to my cousin.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Tila...

I love your pic BTW!
Okay time for Cali to take a bath.. I think I am stuch with a house quest for a week coming over late tonite..grrr I hate being a sucker!! lol

BBL
Hmmmmmm??  House guest? Yeah right!


Title: LEADS
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:42:12 AM
IF THEY ARE GUILTY THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO GIVE A STORY THAT LEADS COPS TO EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES.  SO THEY HAVE FOCUSED IT ALL ON THE LIGHTHOUSE WHERE THEY DID NOT GO AND ON THE HOTEL AREA WHERE THEY DID NOT GO EITHER.  JORAN SAID HE WENT HOME.  THEY TORE THAT PLACE APART TOO.  WHAT DID THEY FIND?   NOW, HAVE THEY SEARCHED LORENZO'S BASEMENT YET?  DID WE EVER GET A CORRECT NAME ON LORENZO?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:42:23 AM
I may need to do a background check on this guy, DF. I mean you cannot be too careful!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:43:41 AM
Mike, we were all trying to figure out where you were and Kerin said she and Cali had a suspicion you have a woman, but a couple of us thought it said they were suspicious that you ARE a woman!!!   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:


No I haven't. I still say he has a woman  :)
Whutchutalkinbout A woman?


(((((Mike))))))

Just got out of my bath in the nick of time!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:44:02 AM
OOKKKK....totally missed the married to a cousin thing. Guess I was outside looking at the moon for FOM.


Title: BACKWARD PEACE SIGN
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:45:07 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


hey native, why do i see sooo many miscelaneous photos of Arubans all doing the same 2 finger sign? (kind of like a peace sign which I actually do alot in photos but just thought it odd that there were so many people there that do it)...just curious


I have no idea what it means...but someone here said it was a "peace" sign.....


If you have the stomach for it look up "shocker" on urbandictionary.com


haha thanks man(?), i am a 30 year old guy, therefore i am well versed in shocking and the sign that is made is different
 

SURPRIZED YOU GRINGOS DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BACKWARD PEACE SIGN IT IS ANOTHER AMERICAN POP CULTURE EXPORT!  ASK YOUR KIDS.  WE KEEP GOING OVER THIS.  I THINK IT SIGNIFIES A PISTOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 12:45:17 AM
It's way past my bedtime -- hope there is good news tomorrow.  Am praying for Natalee and her family.  Great information everybody!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:46:27 AM
This has been a strange day, sotaspeak. :-)~


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Tila...

I love your pic BTW!
Okay time for Cali to take a bath.. I think I am stuch with a house quest for a week coming over late tonite..grrr I hate being a sucker!! lol

BBL
Hmmmmmm??  House guest? Yeah right!


lol I have a really good girlfriend whose parents are trying to force her to get on a plane tomorrow to go to medical school in India. She doesn't want to go, she's 21, so rather than her moving out of her parents house and living on the streets I have offered one week at my house.

::keeping fingers crossed:: why do I think it won't be one week lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I may need to do a background check on this guy, DF. I mean you cannot be too careful!


I come from a very small town 15 minutes from where I am now.  He's owns the local wrecker company and he's a mechanic, used to be reserve police officer for the town, volunteer fireman, best friends with my best friend...that's about all the background there is to him!!!  You can't escape much in a town of 400 because everyone knows what you do while you are still only thinking about doing it!!!  lol.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:
"WAS"? I thought they said HAD!  
Mayhaps its time to go?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:47:27 AM
Quote from: "dandylion"
It's way past my bedtime -- hope there is good news tomorrow.  Am praying for Natalee and her family.  Great information everybody!


Good Night Dandylion....and THANX :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 12:48:05 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Didn't mean to offend, it's just that the crime rate is reported to be very low, but it seems that there are reports of more crimes in 3 weeks time than the average yearly total.  

I think someone should put a webcam up near that shark feeding place, could help solve some crimes.


I don't know what's going on Arraba.....bad luck....curse....fluke.......
This is just NOT normal......

There is no shark feeding place.......there used to be one like 25 years ago......but not anymore.....


I sure hope that Aruba is back to normal soon.  I heard on the radio that tourism is actually up!  Must be all those FBI agents.  

Got my shark info from Dan Rehl: http://www.riehlworldview.com/

On Fox TV last night they were discussing the islands waters with a  boat captain and apparently the other side of the island is well known to have sharks. This doesn't appear an item that Aruba is too anxious to promote.

He dismissed rumors that police may investigate coastal waters on the north side of the island known to have sharks. "Sure, we have shark places on the northern side, but they have nothing to do with the investigation," he said.


I asked a reader from Aruba about the matter, already knowing that the island once contained a slaughterhouse I believe is closed:

One other comment...all Arubans know that Boca Mahos is where the sharks have always been fed...for over 60 years the edible waste has been dumped there at specific times to let the sharks dispose of butcher shop offal, etc.

Anyone who had deliberately tried to dispose of a body would have backed up to the edge of Boca Mahos and thrown it there...and the FBI divers were not about to go diving in Boca Mahos to look for bones in the turbulent seas.

...just toss the body into the waters of Boca Mahos and that would be the end of it. All of my friends had the same response: Boca Mahos.

Picture of Boca Mahos: http://community.webshots.com/photo/90596213/90596213YSQIQo


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:48:58 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D



No No MIke...HAVE A WOMAN lol

Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:
"WAS"? I thought they said HAD!  
Mayhaps its time to go?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 12:49:34 AM
As far as the symbols you are seeing the boys show in the pictures.  I can almost guarentee it just means "peace", it doesn't mean they are in a gang.  This is if they are anything like kids in the states, which I feel they are.   If they were showing a sexual symbol they would have the same symbol (2 fingers) with there tongue between them.  (Oral sex)  If it was a gang symbol it would be sideways or pointing down and not 2 fingers...3...ya it's not easy to do.  Sometimes that just means west or east cost though.  (W or E (sideways W)).

It just looks better to do something cool instead of standing, smiling looking dorky for boys that age.

Sorry I just wanted to explain this after seeing several questions about the symbols.  

Ya, I'm a young male.  Let the flames begin.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:49:52 AM
I really don't place a lot of significance in hand signals, Iquitos. All the kids around here do some hand signal things...just the thing to do. As long as it doesn't involve a straight middle finger and a bent index and ring finger, I am good. I look at it as a teen thing to make them look cool and hey, I don't care. Especially in photos...they all have to do "something" with their hands.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 12:50:07 AM
full moon is on wednesday....where is FOM to say something wacked out about it?  it will be the first one since this started....i hope it does something good for NH (sorry to get all lunar on you)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Cali went to bed, TT. How dare you not tell us where you were.  :?
I been trying to get here fast as I could.  Hard day!  Got more sleep than last few days (3 1/2hrs) this a.m., and felt like puer poop all day!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:50:51 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D



No No MIke...HAVE A WOMAN lol

Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:
"WAS"? I thought they said HAD!  
Mayhaps its time to go?


A few of us misread it and thought it said "he IS a woman"...lol.  Didn't know what to think about you then...good thing I read it again.


Title: IT IS PEACE
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:51:41 AM
Quote from: "TG"
As far as the symbols you are seeing the boys show in the pictures.  I can almost guarentee it just means "peace", it doesn't mean they are in a gang.  This is if they are anything like kids in the states, which I feel they are.   If they were showing a sexual symbol they would have the same symbol (2 fingers) with there tongue between them.  (Oral sex)  If it was a gang symbol it would be sideways or pointing down and not 2 fingers...3...ya it's not easy to do.  Sometimes that just means west or east cost though.  (W or E (sideways W)).

It just looks better to do something cool instead of standing, smiling looking dorky for boys that age.

Sorry I just wanted to explain this after seeing several questions about the symbols.  
Ya, I'm a young male.  Let the flames begin.


MY KID SAYS THE SAME AND HE IS AWARE OF THESE THINGS UNFORTUNATELY


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:51:51 AM
TT...let's see...a woman? No. You type (and spell) like a man.  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:52:01 AM
Okay recap for Mike...

We don't know how attempted suicide.

Elder an der sloot can run pretty fast (had to see the post lol)

Kalpoes had media on their doorstep.

I found out who the female friend was..... and sererval other great facts  :wink:

Natalee's parents are seeking to file a lawsuit (not sure if 100% confirmed)

Umm trolls...

I think that is all we learned.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:53:14 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay recap for Mike...

We don't know how attempted suicide.

Elder an der sloot can run pretty fast (had to see the post lol)

Kalpoes had media on their doorstep.

I found out who the female friend was..... and sererval other great facts  :wink:

Natalee's parents are seeking to file a lawsuit (not sure if 100% confirmed)

Umm trolls...

I think that is all we learned.


That pretty much sums it up!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:53:25 AM
ohh and did anyone catch TOM today? He was awesome as usual!!!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: "wolfeladyinbama"
But I thought most people in Alabama were married and pregnant by 13...

It's a joke!! Posted by a MORON

You may think this is very funny, and that your idiotic sense of humor is appreciated here..........but I have to say it is not. This is no better than the people that are doggin the island..........ignorance will make people say very stupid things, and in this case it is very apparent. Take your show ON THE ROAD>>>>>>>>>>>cause you will not get any laughs here. Proud to be from Alabama, and I am well educated, a business woman, a good mother, and GUESS WHAT>>>>>>>>>NOT married to my cousin.


I'm sorry you have no sense of humor.  We were discussing stereotypes and this JOKE was an extension of that.  I know very well there are a lot of intelligent, educated people in Alabama (which is obvious reading this forum).  In fact, I know that the top rated high school in the country is in Alabama.

Of course, Wisconsin scores the highest in the country in college prep tests.  :D  Oh, sorry... no humor allowed here.  :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:54:35 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Didn't mean to offend, it's just that the crime rate is reported to be very low, but it seems that there are reports of more crimes in 3 weeks time than the average yearly total.  

I think someone should put a webcam up near that shark feeding place, could help solve some crimes.


I don't know what's going on Arraba.....bad luck....curse....fluke.......
This is just NOT normal......

There is no shark feeding place.......there used to be one like 25 years ago......but not anymore.....


I sure hope that Aruba is back to normal soon.  I heard on the radio that tourism is actually up!  Must be all those FBI agents.  

Got my shark info from Dan Rehl: http://www.riehlworldview.com/

On Fox TV last night they were discussing the islands waters with a  boat captain and apparently the other side of the island is well known to have sharks. This doesn't appear an item that Aruba is too anxious to promote.

He dismissed rumors that police may investigate coastal waters on the north side of the island known to have sharks. "Sure, we have shark places on the northern side, but they have nothing to do with the investigation," he said.


I asked a reader from Aruba about the matter, already knowing that the island once contained a slaughterhouse I believe is closed:

One other comment...all Arubans know that Boca Mahos is where the sharks have always been fed...for over 60 years the edible waste has been dumped there at specific times to let the sharks dispose of butcher shop offal, etc.

Anyone who had deliberately tried to dispose of a body would have backed up to the edge of Boca Mahos and thrown it there...and the FBI divers were not about to go diving in Boca Mahos to look for bones in the turbulent seas.

...just toss the body into the waters of Boca Mahos and that would be the end of it. All of my friends had the same response: Boca Mahos.

Picture of Boca Mahos: http://community.webshots.com/photo/90596213/90596213YSQIQo


True...Boca Mahos still exists...and YES there are sharks on that side of the island....But you can no longer get to it by car...it's a very unstable area....you would have to park close to the gold mine ruins and walk to boca mahos....
I don't think they did that though....Many people have drowned in that area...and they were always able to recover the bodies even days later....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
I'm beginning to wonder about the crime rate in Aruba.  Does Aruba report on crimes reported, or crimes solved?


ALL Crimes Arraba....even stolen cameras...shoplifting......ALL!!


Didn't mean to offend, it's just that the crime rate is reported to be very low, but it seems that there are reports of more crimes in 3 weeks time than the average yearly total.  

I think someone should put a webcam up near that shark feeding place, could help solve some crimes.


I don't know what's going on Arraba.....bad luck....curse....fluke.......
This is just NOT normal......

There is no shark feeding place.......there used to be one like 25 years ago......but not anymore.....


I sure hope that Aruba is back to normal soon.  I heard on the radio that tourism is actually up!  Must be all those FBI agents.  

Got my shark info from Dan Rehl: http://www.riehlworldview.com/

On Fox TV last night they were discussing the islands waters with a  boat captain and apparently the other side of the island is well known to have sharks. This doesn't appear an item that Aruba is too anxious to promote.

He dismissed rumors that police may investigate coastal waters on the north side of the island known to have sharks. "Sure, we have shark places on the northern side, but they have nothing to do with the investigation," he said.


I asked a reader from Aruba about the matter, already knowing that the island once contained a slaughterhouse I believe is closed:

One other comment...all Arubans know that Boca Mahos is where the sharks have always been fed...for over 60 years the edible waste has been dumped there at specific times to let the sharks dispose of butcher shop offal, etc.

Anyone who had deliberately tried to dispose of a body would have backed up to the edge of Boca Mahos and thrown it there...and the FBI divers were not about to go diving in Boca Mahos to look for bones in the turbulent seas.

...just toss the body into the waters of Boca Mahos and that would be the end of it. All of my friends had the same response: Boca Mahos.

Picture of Boca Mahos: http://community.webshots.com/photo/90596213/90596213YSQIQo


True...Boca Mahos still exists...and YES there are sharks on that side of the island....But you can no longer get to it by car...it's a very unstable area....you would have to park close to the gold mine ruins and walk to boca mahos....
I don't think they did that though....Many people have drowned in that area...and they were always able to recover the bodies even days later....


Title: HAND SIGNALS
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:55:28 AM
WE HAVE TRIED TO READ SOMETHING SINISTER INTO THESE HAND SIGNS EVERY NIGHT AS PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN OF CHARACTER ASSASSINATION AGAINST UPPER CLASS ARUBAN YOUTH WITH WEBSITES.  TODAY WE WENT SO FAR AS TO PUT UP THAT OF A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TALKING ABOUT HER BOYFIREND, JORANS LITTLE BROTHER.    I THINK WE OUGHT TO SHOW MORE MATURITY AND RESTRAINT IN EVALUATING THIS CASE.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:55:52 AM
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 12:55:57 AM
Sorry 'bout that...thought it didn't go through


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Mike, we were all trying to figure out where you were and Kerin said she and Cali had a suspicion you have a woman, but a couple of us thought it said they were suspicious that you ARE a woman!!!   :lol:
Well, lemme jes ax u dis, u thank I sound lack a woman?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 12:57:09 AM
Quote from: "GutFeeling"
Nancy-Drew

I think they planned a sequence of stories when they had the time.  I think they were no where near any of them.


Can you explain further?  Do you mean they came up with various stories prior to arrest? I'm not sure what you mean by "they were no where near any of them."

I'm fascinated by how this might have worked...or, is possibly working.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:57:20 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


Ooking?  She was ooking beautiful was't she?   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:58:25 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
This has been a strange day,  :wink: sotaspeak. :-)~


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:59:02 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Mike, we were all trying to figure out where you were and Kerin said she and Cali had a suspicion you have a woman, but a couple of us thought it said they were suspicious that you ARE a woman!!!   :lol:
Well, lemme jes ax u dis, u thank I sound lack a woman?


No, sir, I don't...which is why my first response to that was three of these:
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Until I read it again and saw that it implied you HAVE a woman...not that you ARE one!!  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:59:04 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


Ooking?  She was ooking beautiful was't she?   :lol:


ok...I told you my keyboard has a shortcurcuit!  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 12:59:41 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Tila...

I love your pic BTW!
Okay time for Cali to take a bath.. I think I am stuch with a house quest for a week coming over late tonite..grrr I hate being a sucker!! lol

BBL
Hmmmmmm??  House guest? Yeah right!


lol I have a really good girlfriend whose parents are trying to force her to get on a plane tomorrow to go to medical school in India. She doesn't want to go, she's 21, so rather than her moving out of her parents house and living on the streets I have offered one week at my house.

::keeping fingers crossed:: why do I think it won't be one week lol
Like I said "Yeah right!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


Ooking?  She was ooking beautiful was't she?   :lol:


ok...I told you my keyboard has a shortcurcuit!  :D


I'm not sure it's the keyboard with the short curcuit!!!   :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 01:00:39 AM
I would be interested in knowing what the dogs found at the lighthouse or anywhere that they brought in.  Maybe too much time had passed to find anything?  Probably not much info on that?


Title: ARUBAN TRUTH SQUAD
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:00:43 AM
True...Boca Mahos still exists...and YES there are sharks on that side of the island....But you can no longer get to it by car...it's a very unstable area....you would have to park close to the gold mine ruins and walk to boca mahos....
I don't think they did that though....Many people have drowned in that area...and they were always able to recover the bodies even days later....

IS IT NOT AMAZING THATIF YOU TALK TO AN ARUBAN EVERYTHING COMES INTO PERSPECTIVE?  WHAT A CONCEPT.  LISTEN THE ARUBANS.  THERE ARE NO SECRETS ON SMALL ISLANDS.  ONE OR TWO SHOULD BE STATIONED 24/7 AT EVERY BLOG TO KEEP THE THING IN PERSPECTIVE.  NATIVE, YOU OUGHT TO ORGANIZE THAT.  I AM NOT KIDDING.  CNN HAD GUYS TALKING CURRENST TODAY, COMPETENT AND KNOWLEDGABLE PEOPLE.  GRETA INTERVIEWED A COUPLE WHO WERE STELLAR.


Title: Re: HAND SIGNALS
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 01:01:01 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
WE HAVE TRIED TO READ SOMETHING SINISTER INTO THESE HAND SIGNS EVERY NIGHT AS PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN OF CHARACTER ASSASSINATION AGAINST UPPER CLASS ARUBAN YOUTH WITH WEBSITES.  TODAY WE WENT SO FAR AS TO PUT UP THAT OF A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TALKING ABOUT HER BOYFIREND, JORANS LITTLE BROTHER.    I THINK WE OUGHT TO SHOW MORE MATURITY AND RESTRAINT IN EVALUATING THIS CASE.



i dont think its anything too sinister, but with all of them doing it(and yes, always in sideways or upside down fashion occasionally with 3rd finger) - just shows that there is def a hip-hop ganster vibe throughout much of the youth there.....(not that it means anything, just a comment)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:01:36 AM
so now that raft has a banana peel, a courthouse, Cali AND a med student on it? this is getting to be one mighty big raft!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:01:54 AM
Quote from: "TG"
I would be interested in knowing what the dogs found at the lighthouse or anywhere that they brought in.  Maybe too much time had passed to find anything?  Probably not much info on that?


I thought I read earlier here on the forum somewhere (I am SO not going back looking for it...lol) that they could find the scent for up to a year.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 01:02:14 AM
Another K in Texas:

Here's the link to Greta's page for today's show.  I don't see the transcript up yet...but, my eyes are so tired I might be missing it. I'm sure it will be up by tomorrow.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,44672,00.html


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:02:38 AM
DF    :-)~


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
 

AT WHAT POINT IN THE ALABAMA POSSE DOORSTEP INTERROGATION OF ALMOST THREE HOURS THAT HAD TO BE BROKEN UP BY POLICE DID JORAN APPROACH BETH PATTING HIS CHEST?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:02:58 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really don't place a lot of significance in hand signals, Iquitos. All the kids around here do some hand signal things...just the thing to do. As long as it doesn't involve a straight middle finger and a bent index and ring finger, I am good. I look at it as a teen thing to make them look cool and hey, I don't care. Especially in photos...they all have to do "something" with their hands.
Cept fer da boyscouts, I only know 1 hand signal, and you just screibed it!  ..i..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:04:13 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
 

AT WHAT POINT IN THE ALABAMA POSSE DOORSTEP INTERROGATION OF ALMOST THREE HOURS THAT HAD TO BE BROKEN UP BY POLICE DID JORAN APPROACH BETH PATTING HIS CHEST?


IQUITOS....It was right in the FOX interview tonight. Natalee's mom stated it clearly.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:04:44 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin...have you seen Mike???

It's not like him not to be here!!!!  :cry:
Well, uh, I  just got here and You wuz missin me???????? :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  Hi everbody!  I been real bz.  Missed 3 days o' work and tryin to prep for travel!  Had 209 e-mails at work.  I got questerns and still got packin ta do!  Cali, could you catch me up a little, pleeease?  How bout the suicide try? Urine? Poor baby!  5th arrest?  I checked in for 2 mins this afternoon and saw all the bitchin in here.  Facadamater, jumped one lil troll myseff!   :P   Anyhoo, whazzup?

ps; I'm jes happy to be here, witchall, sotaspeak! : :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D



No No MIke...HAVE A WOMAN lol

Mike, did you see where Kerin told us that she and Cali suspect that you are a woman?   :lol:  :lol:
"WAS"? I thought they said HAD!  
Mayhaps its time to go?


A few of us misread it and thought it said "he IS a woman"...lol.  Didn't know what to think about you then...good thing I read it again.
Well, I too cant hardly tell bout that these days, sotaspeak!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 01:04:52 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Sorry 'bout that...thought it didn't go through


Thanks for your informative posts NativeLingo.  They warrant reposting.


Title: videos
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 01:05:55 AM
This is a good spot to get all videos but not sure how often it's updated. Might not have greta's from tonight yet.

http://nataleeholloway.tripod.com/


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:06:41 AM
cello...I mean jello...errrr HELLO ALL.....

been lurking trying to catch up....nodding off randomly..


Title: Re: IT IS PEACE
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:07:18 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "TG"
As far as the symbols you are seeing the boys show in the pictures.  I can almost guarentee it just means "peace", it doesn't mean they are in a gang.  This is if they are anything like kids in the states, which I feel they are.   If they were showing a sexual symbol they would have the same symbol (2 fingers) with there tongue between them.  (Oral sex)  If it was a gang symbol it would be sideways or pointing down and not 2 fingers...3...ya it's not easy to do.  Sometimes that just means west or east cost though.  (W or E (sideways W)).

It just looks better to do something cool instead of standing, smiling looking dorky for boys that age.

Sorry I just wanted to explain this after seeing several questions about the symbols.  
Ya, I'm a young male.  Let the flames begin.


MY KID SAYS THE SAME AND HE IS AWARE OF THESE THINGS UNFORTUNATELY
Lessee, the first time we seen the ther signs it wuz gangs right?  And now lots of imitatin, BUT, them pichures look like GANG to me.  But then thats just an opinion, sotaspeak!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
cello...I mean jello...errrr HELLO ALL.....

been lurking trying to catch up....nodding off randomly..


Hello!!!  Wake up!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:07:59 AM
Sorry I am on da phone  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:08:05 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
TT...let's see...a woman? No. You type (and spell) like a man.  :)
I resemble that remark! :x


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: "Loren"
So if there is a recap here, Joran tried to commit suicide yesterday when moved to the main prison on aruba and the DJ has been charged with murder? is that right? But I really do not get the 2 counts that some here has been posting. I'm in the UK now and I am really out of the loop. Nothing about this case gets reported and the time change is really throwing me in the dark on this.


one of the three initial suspects tried suicide.  no word on which.

dj is now a suspect of the same offenses as the other three, accessory to murder, accessory to manslughter, accessory to kidnapping.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:10:05 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Sorry I am on da phone  :lol:


We really should all coordinate our phone calls, don't you think?  See, I figure if we coordinate phone calls, showers, meals...that's about all we need to do right?  Then we'll all be online at the same time and no one ever misses anything.  We only eat on Thursdays, right Mike?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 01:10:09 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Sorry 'bout that...thought it didn't go through


Thanks for your informative posts NativeLingo.  They warrant reposting.


You're very welcome....
Just an FYI...I've gone on fishing trips with my husband, and sofar I have not seen a shark biggher then   1.5meters.....:wink:


Title: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:10:24 AM
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
cello...I mean jello...errrr HELLO ALL.....

been lurking trying to catch up....nodding off randomly..


Hello!!!  Wake up!
trying....Hey DF...

Have you ever heard of a little place called Atoka, Oklahoma?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:12:03 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
cello...I mean jello...errrr HELLO ALL.....

been lurking trying to catch up....nodding off randomly..


Hello!!!  Wake up!
trying....Hey DF...

Have you ever heard of a little place called Atoka, Oklahoma?


Yes, went to a wedding there once when I was 15 (too long ago), but that is the only time I've been there.  WAY south, right?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:12:29 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay recap for Mike...

We don't know how attempted suicide.

Elder an der sloot can run pretty fast (had to see the post lol)

Kalpoes had media on their doorstep.

I found out who the female friend was..... and sererval other great facts  :wink:

Natalee's parents are seeking to file a lawsuit (not sure if 100% confirmed)

Umm trolls...

I think that is all we learned.
Tnx Cali!  How bout, what female?

And y'all been talkin bout "Obnoxious Slimball!"

And Do y'all have WRONGFULL DEATH LIABILITY TYPE LAWSUITS DOWN THERE? HUH?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:12:34 AM
I will let the AL contingent address that....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:13:33 AM
Man..... ::ear hurting:::

I think I am gonna open a 1 900 adive line LMAO Sheesh

Okay what did I miss? :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:13:48 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
cello...I mean jello...errrr HELLO ALL.....

been lurking trying to catch up....nodding off randomly..


Hello!!!  Wake up!
trying....Hey DF...

Have you ever heard of a little place called Atoka, Oklahoma?


Yes, went to a wedding there once when I was 15 (too long ago), but that is the only time I've been there.  WAY south, right?
yes...that is where my father's side of the family live  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:14:33 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
ohh and did anyone catch TOM today? He was awesome as usual!!!!!
Yep, he wuz! (I caught that today) He spoke more than b4 didnt he?  Waytago TOM!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:15:03 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Sorry I am on da phone  :lol:


We really should all coordinate our phone calls, don't you think?  See, I figure if we coordinate phone calls, showers, meals...that's about all we need to do right?  Then we'll all be online at the same time and no one ever misses anything.  We only eat on Thursdays, right Mike?


ROFLMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:15:16 AM
Quote
yes...that is where my father's side of the family live


Really?  That's cool.  I remember we took HWY 75 south from where I am and just followed it almost to Texas (I'm WAY north, 15 minutes from Kansas).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:16:10 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I will let the AL contingent address that....


Kerin, would you like to address the stat that shows Texas being 33rd...  :D

I'm certainly not about to bring up the rankings of the blue states vs the red states.  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:16:22 AM
Okay, maybe now I can post my Kalpoe information...  :lol:

Are all the agruers gone?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:17:26 AM
Y'alls I am not from TX, I just happen to be unlucky enough to live here.  :D

Where does CA or FL rank as those are the states I grew up in and went to school in.


Title: JORAN'S CHEST
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
 

AT WHAT POINT IN THE ALABAMA POSSE DOORSTEP INTERROGATION OF ALMOST THREE HOURS THAT HAD TO BE BROKEN UP BY POLICE DID JORAN APPROACH BETH PATTING HIS CHEST?


IQUITOS....It was right in the FOX interview tonight. Natalee's mom stated it clearly.
 I AM ASKING AT WHAT POINT IN THE SELF DESCRIBE INTERROGATION DID THE INTIMIDATED AND THREATENED JORAN DO THIS THAT SO OFFENDDED MRS. TWITTY?  IT HAS A CONTEXT ESPECIALLY SINCE LAST INTERVIEW SHE DID NOT TALK TO HIM AND NOW SHE DID.   THERE WAS SOME BAD BLOOD GENRATED THAT NIGHT WHICH WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BUT NOW WE ARE HEARING IN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.  MR V/D SLOOT IS A SLIMEBALL WHO TURNS "JUG'S" STOMACH AND BETH FINDS JORAN WHAT "ARROGAN AND POWERFUL?  WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?  HE IS PROBABLY USED TO GRINGOS BEING NICE TO HIM.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:18:42 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
I heard it wuz Urine tried sewyside!  And did yall hear that when Moma n Popa Van Douche were at PD, they wuz questernin pPopa but they wuz lettin Moma see Urine?  D'yall hear dat?  (sure ya did :? )


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:18:49 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, maybe now I can post my Kalpoe information...  :lol:

Are all the agruers gone?


I'M NOT AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SWITCH BOARDS ANY MINUTE


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:19:18 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, maybe now I can post my Kalpoe information...  :lol:

Are all the agruers gone?


Don't keep us in suspense anymore, Caligirl!!  :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:19:42 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


DASH?? I didnt see her was it new or repeat wiff BillO?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:20:00 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Y'alls I am not from TX, I just happen to be unlucky enough to live here.  :D

Where does CA or FL rank as those are the states I grew up in and went to school in.


CA=43
FL=39


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:20:29 AM
hmmm...so he started out calm and became loud and beligerant

sounding like deja vu


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:20:43 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, maybe now I can post my Kalpoe information...  :lol:

Are all the agruers gone?


I'M NOT AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SWITCH BOARDS ANY MINUTE


iquitos LMAO I have never argued with ya!


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Georgians always say Thank God for Alabama. And we all used to say Thank God for Arkansas....but I don't guess we can say that anymore, huh?  :wink:
My husband is from Alabama and we live about in GA about 90 miles from ALA so I know all the Alabama jokes....but not to fear...Georgia gets its share too.
I personally just laugh if they are funny and roll my eyes if they are not. Highly recommend it...much less stressful on the circulatory system than taking it personally.
 :)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:21:19 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Mike, we were all trying to figure out where you were and Kerin said she and Cali had a suspicion you have a woman, but a couple of us thought it said they were suspicious that you ARE a woman!!!   :lol:
Well, lemme jes ax u dis, u thank I sound lack a woman?


No, sir, I don't...which is why my first response to that was three of these:
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Until I read it again and saw that it implied you HAVE a woman...not that you ARE one!!  :lol:
No fence tooken!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:21:25 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Y'alls I am not from TX, I just happen to be unlucky enough to live here.  :D

Where does CA or FL rank as those are the states I grew up in and went to school in.


CA=43
FL=39


still nothing to hang on the wall


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:21:25 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)


DASH?? I didnt see her was it new or repeat wiff BillO?


New with Greta.  She was great again!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:22:30 AM
:roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
that's what I think!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:22:31 AM
Iquitos, I heard early on that she had talked to him.  When I saw that first interview that you are talking about and she said she hadn't, I got the impression she was being very careful in what she said and more than likely did not want to comment on that so she said "no".  Her husband said early on that she had talked to him.  I've always believed that she did, but did not want to reveal that at that time.  According to her interview with Greta tonight she was in the car, he walked up to the car, she was holding up a picture of Nat and said "Where is my daughter?  I want my daughter back" and he responded by beating his chest saying "What do you want me to do about it?"  Is that what you got from it Kerin?


Title: Re: JORAN'S CHEST
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 01:23:16 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
 

AT WHAT POINT IN THE ALABAMA POSSE DOORSTEP INTERROGATION OF ALMOST THREE HOURS THAT HAD TO BE BROKEN UP BY POLICE DID JORAN APPROACH BETH PATTING HIS CHEST?


IQUITOS....It was right in the FOX interview tonight. Natalee's mom stated it clearly.
 I AM ASKING AT WHAT POINT IN THE SELF DESCRIBE INTERROGATION DID THE INTIMIDATED AND THREATENED JORAN DO THIS THAT SO OFFENDDED MRS. TWITTY?  IT HAS A CONTEXT ESPECIALLY SINCE LAST INTERVIEW SHE DID NOT TALK TO HIM AND NOW SHE DID.   THERE WAS SOME BAD BLOOD GENRATED THAT NIGHT WHICH WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BUT NOW WE ARE HEARING IN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.  MR V/D SLOOT IS A SLIMEBALL WHO TURNS "JUG'S" STOMACH AND BETH FINDS JORAN WHAT "ARROGAN AND POWERFUL?  WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?  HE IS PROBABLY USED TO GRINGOS BEING NICE TO HIM.


I think Mrs. Twitty was afraid to say something that would "hurt the case" in the first Greta interview.  I think she and her husband may think the case is already so horribly hurt that they may as well speak out, so in the second greta interview she was less guarded in her statements.    

I wonder what Natalee saw in Joran, if anything.


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 21, 2005, 01:24:22 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


That's true and it is a constant source of political bickering in this state. Mountain Brook and a few of the other suburbs in Birmingham such as  Vestavia, Homewood and Hoover have very good school systems. We pay higher property taxes to fund these systems.

Mountain Brook Schools are typically ranked the highest in the state and also rank very well nationally. Natalee made straight As and I read that she had good test scores on her college entrance exams.

People move to Mtn. Brook to be able to send their children to school here. I think Natalee is a model student and a role model for others. To have a girl like her snatched away is truly awful.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Iquitos, I heard early on that she had talked to him.  When I saw that first interview that you are talking about and she said she hadn't, I got the impression she was being very careful in what she said and more than likely did not want to comment on that so she said "no".  Her husband said early on that she had talked to him.  I've always believed that she did, but did not want to reveal that at that time.  According to her interview with Greta tonight she was in the car, he walked up to the car, she was holding up a picture of Nat and said "Where is my daughter?  I want my daughter back" and he responded by beating his chest saying "What do you want me to do about it?"  Is that what you got from it Kerin?


I think it was apparent for awhile that Beth Twitty was withholding information, likely because she was asked to.  I think either she's been given the green light to reveal things OR she's just gotten so frustrated that she doesn't care (which is my guess).  I certainly don't blame her if that's the case.


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:25:10 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Georgians always say Thank God for Alabama. And we all used to say Thank God for Arkansas....but I don't guess we can say that anymore, huh?  :wink:
My husband is from Alabama and we live about in GA about 90 miles from ALA so I know all the Alabama jokes....but not to fear...Georgia gets its share too.
I personally just laugh if they are funny and roll my eyes if they are not. Highly recommend it...much less stressful on the circulatory system than taking it personally.
 :)
 

ACTUALLY COME TO THINK OF IT THEY ARE IN EXCELLENT COMPANY DOWN THERE WITH CALIFORNIA AND ALASKA.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:25:12 AM
Yes, DF. That is what Mrs. Holloway, the person who was at the scene, stated on FOX News tonight. And since this is the first time we have heard from the person actually there, then that is the story I will believe.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: tuberide on June 21, 2005, 01:26:11 AM
well, whatever...just alot of signing going on (pretty typical i guess), but i def think that alot of people on the island are caught up in the bling bling lifestyle
also, i found these without any effort at all in as quick a time as I could cut and paste (plenty more where these came from)...islands not that big, so i guess everybody is 'down'

http://album.coolaruba.com/displayimage.php?album=55&pos=11
http://album.coolaruba.com/displayimage.php?album=55&pos=23
http://album.coolaruba.com/displayimage.php?album=55&pos=22
http://album.coolaruba.com/displayimage.php?album=55&pos=28

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2465730P7607616023.jpg
(HEY, is the above link a new pic a Joran and anopther friend?

http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2465795P7193774270.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/7/5/7/P7/7579483P7986523222.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/7/5/7/P7/7578504P7872401826.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/4/2/5/P7/4256016P7790371672.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/4/2/5/P7/4255985P7667845521.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/6/6/P7/2663089P7783888273.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/3/9/7/P7/3978834P7109783841.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/9/1/1/P7/9113760P7001383057.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/7/6/1/P7/7610376P7117600154.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/6/5/P7/2652374P7782719407.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/6/5/P7/2652358P7032468615.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/7/3/P7/2736051P7396944446.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/5/1/P7/2511132P7430962004.jpg


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: AzRose on June 21, 2005, 01:26:16 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Whew . . .May live in Arizona now #48  :x  :x
                 but educated in #7 :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:26:22 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Sorry I am on da phone  :lol:


We really should all coordinate our phone calls, don't you think?  See, I figure if we coordinate phone calls, showers, meals...that's about all we need to do right?  Then we'll all be online at the same time and no one ever misses anything.  We only eat on Thursdays, right Mike?


Meals???  Is it Thursday yet??


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Thats buncha crap!  Sum dumby up in Laska musta said/done all that!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 01:29:14 AM
Blah! Again I'm playing catchup and skipped quite a few pages (I have the nasty habit of trying to read all posts before posting - not to answer questions already answered, or repeat comments that may have already been posted).

In any case...from watching the latest on FOX, I have this to say:

- Dash, if you're reading this, you're a beautiful and mature young lady, and we thank you for being 'the voice' - it's not an easy role, but you're handling it wonderfully.

- Change in tone and additional information from the Twittys (i.e. 'obnoxious slimeball' and Beth's divulging her encounter with Joran) - this has happened ever since they have retained an Aruban attorney - this is NO coincidence! I think they were holding back at first, fearing that they may harm the investigation in a system that is completely foreign to them - the attorney in question has cleared the comments- Let the onslaught begin!

- Papa VDS now identified as a 'prosecutor' by the Diario guy (Jossy Mansour?) - this explains why Mariaine Croes denied to identify PVDS's exact role within the justice ministry yesterday

- Completely baffled by the report on FOX (Giovanni Lane w/ Greta) that 'Deepak knows Joran from ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) since they seem to be 4 years apart, and Deepak, being 21, is way above highschool age - I consider that to be an erroneous report

No more salient points come to mind...but there have been so many rumours out of left field that I'm reserving judgment at this point. Still bothering me at this point is the alleged suicide attempt, not mentioned on the MSM tonight.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:30:13 AM
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 01:31:07 AM
You think maybe New Hampshire and Colorado bribed someone? Just a gut feeling, but I smell a conspiracy.   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:31:32 AM
HEY...everyone sit back...close your eyes...take a deep breath...and enjoy this moment for a short time...it is probably one of the only times we can say that we are TROLL FREE!!!!!!!!!!   :D  :D  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: hardin9744 on June 21, 2005, 01:31:49 AM
Iquitos- I understood Natalee's mom to say all along that she had an "interaction" w/JVDS at his house her first night on Aruba which left her feeling he was cold and arrogant.  tonight on Greta, Mrs. HT quoted JVDS's actual words to her.  don't know if he said anything else to her besides "what do you want me to do? what do you want me to do?".


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:32:12 AM
Maybe relivant, may not be...but hey..we know nothing so it's somthing for the moment...

I already listed their school, Colegio Arubano, which to my understanding is a public school. Deepak, was an average or near average student. As is/was Satish.

Neither has been accepted into college nor has applied. (I still sense a lack of funds, not that I am saying anything other than, my point that it seems all their friends have and are moving away to various colleges.)

I have no confirmation of a sister, doesn't mean there isn't but I have not been told there is one.

My theory of Deepak having to work hard to go to college due to lack of funds was correct. (Again, not that this matter but it's info)

Other than Angelina Reppas, which by the way is a female friend and his boss at the cyber cafe, I have heard what another "friend" had to say. They both have one thing in common, they dodge very nice questions like, do you believe in his innocence. (Still really find that odd) Did surprisingly get some vivid pictures of Deepak (back to my theory of wanting to fit in) having some odd friends (like we didn't know that lol) and wanting a better life for himself to the point it worried this person and they would not go any further to comment.

We all have heard his father to be a local business owner, I was not told what kind, as they are being very private, but was given the impression, it was more like a "store?"

I am having a timeline problem with how long they moved there. I was told 5 or so years on Aruba, I was told something to the effect they lived and grew up mostly in Suriname.

That's all I got so far.. could be give an insite.. not to sure how reliable the person but then again is anything reliable in this case? lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:33:38 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?


Everybody knows that Texans don't take their baths on Thursdays!!!  They take them the 2nd Tuesday of every month...the day before Oklahomans do!!!!


Title: da fingas in aruba
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:34:01 AM
TUBERIDE, THAT IS GREAT, THE POWER OF MTV AND HIP HOP!    looks like its mostly a guy thing.  i like the one with the american flag and the boa.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:34:46 AM
Since it seems to be "ALMOST" NORMAL ppl in here (ha ha ha ha ha ha)...there is something that has been bothering me...not really bothering me...just something that I noticed

The other day....cant remember when or where...Beth was asked if anybody had asked for a ransom.....she hesitated...looked down for a second...then looked back up and said no.....this really makes me wonder...could have been because of the story Dan gave at Riehlworldview about the newspaper saying somebody wanted $10,000 and when they went to pick up "Natalee" it was the 40something woman instead.....not sure...just needed to get that off my chest


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 01:34:50 AM
- Completely baffled by the report on FOX (Giovanni Lane w/ Greta) that 'Deepak knows Joran from ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) since they seem to be 4 years apart, and Deepak, being 21, is way above highschool age - I consider that to be an erroneous report

No more salient points come to mind...but there have been so many rumours out of left field that I'm reserving judgment at this point. Still bothering me at this point is the alleged suicide attempt, not mentioned on the MSM tonight.[/quote]

The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Iquitos- I understood Natalee's mom to say all along that she had an "interaction" w/JVDS at his house her first night on Aruba which left her feeling he was cold and arrogant.  tonight on Greta, Mrs. HT quoted JVDS's actual words to her.  don't know if he said anything else to her besides "what do you want me to do? what do you want me to do?".


You're right that she did say early on that she met him, but then she backed off of that (I assume by request by LE).  Then a couple days ago, she mentioned that he approached her in the car, but wouldn't go into specifics about what he said.

I think Getagrip may be right on with their attorney clearing her to speak more freely to the media.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:37:15 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
- Completely baffled by the report on FOX (Giovanni Lane w/ Greta) that 'Deepak knows Joran from ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) since they seem to be 4 years apart, and Deepak, being 21, is way above highschool age - I consider that to be an erroneous report

No more salient points come to mind...but there have been so many rumours out of left field that I'm reserving judgment at this point. Still bothering me at this point is the alleged suicide attempt, not mentioned on the MSM tonight.


The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??[/quote]

Native I find that erroneous also. I found a newspaper article, I can send it stating what school they went to which lead me on my chase  :wink:


Title: middleburg
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:37:43 AM
cali:  You blew me off when i asked before but somebody did post a link yesterday evening which had a satish kalpoe studying in middleburg holland anything on that?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
Getagrip...very good point that I hadn't thought of...the attorney.  I think you are right about that.  Much more being said since the attorney was hired.  Heard on the news it is a local attorney.


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:38:01 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ALABAMA MAY HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE BUT THE RANKINGS DON'T SHOW IT. NUMBER 44

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm


Georgians always say Thank God for Alabama. And we all used to say Thank God for Arkansas....but I don't guess we can say that anymore, huh?  :wink:
My husband is from Alabama and we live about in GA about 90 miles from ALA so I know all the Alabama jokes....but not to fear...Georgia gets its share too.
I personally just laugh if they are funny and roll my eyes if they are not. Highly recommend it...much less stressful on the circulatory system than taking it personally.
 :)
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:38:19 AM
Getagrip....I completely agree with you that now that the Holloways have an attorney who knows how Aruban law works, they are feeling more comfortable saying what they really feel/think. They were probably scared to death to say anything before now.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 21, 2005, 01:38:25 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Iquitos- I understood Natalee's mom to say all along that she had an "interaction" w/JVDS at his house her first night on Aruba which left her feeling he was cold and arrogant.  tonight on Greta, Mrs. HT quoted JVDS's actual words to her.  don't know if he said anything else to her besides "what do you want me to do? what do you want me to do?".


You're right that she did say early on that she met him, but then she backed off of that (I assume by request by LE).  Then a couple days ago, she mentioned that he approached her in the car, but wouldn't go into specifics about what he said.

I think Getagrip may be right on with their attorney clearing her to speak more freely to the media.


From what I recall she admitted she met Joran, but would not give details before tonight.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 01:38:38 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Maybe relivant, may not be...but hey..we know nothing so it's somthing for the moment...

I already listed their school, Colegio Arubano, which to my understanding is a public school. Deepak, was an average or near average student. As is/was Satish.

Neither has been accepted into college nor has applied. (I still sense a lack of funds, not that I am saying anything other than, my point that it seems all their friends have and are moving away to various colleges.)

I have no confirmation of a sister, doesn't mean there isn't but I have not been told there is one.

My theory of Deepak having to work hard to go to college due to lack of funds was correct. (Again, not that this matter but it's info)

Other than Angelina Reppas, which by the way is a female friend and his boss at the cyber cafe, I have heard what another "friend" had to say. They both have one thing in common, they dodge very nice questions like, do you believe in his innocence. (Still really find that odd) Did surprisingly get some vivid pictures of Deepak (back to my theory of wanting to fit in) having some odd friends (like we didn't know that lol) and wanting a better life for himself to the point it worried this person and they would not go any further to comment.

We all have heard his father to be a local business owner, I was not told what kind, as they are being very private, but was given the impression, it was more like a "store?"

I am having a timeline problem with how long they moved there. I was told 5 or so years on Aruba, I was told something to the effect they lived and grew up mostly in Suriname.

That's all I got so far.. could be give an insite.. not to sure how reliable the person but then again is anything reliable in this case? lol


Caligirl,

Giovanni Lane told Greta that Colegion Arubano is the top school there - perhaps the Arubians here can confirm this. I believe it's the top school in that follows the Dutch educational system - it should follow that tuition is expensive. This is the school Satish attended, per his Tickle.com profile.

ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) is also a private school, but not within the Dutch system (more like the American educational system) where students who do not speak Dutch and/or want to do their post-secondary studies in the U.S. attend. Also expensive tuition fees. Reported that Deepak (?) and confirmed that Joran attended.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:39:58 AM
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 01:40:29 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Getagrip...very good point that I hadn't thought of...the attorney.  I think you are right about that.  Much more being said since the attorney was hired.  Heard on the news it is a local attorney.


And a very good one I must say......


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:40:40 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Iquitos, I heard early on that she had talked to him.  When I saw that first interview that you are talking about and she said she hadn't, I got the impression she was being very careful in what she said and more than likely did not want to comment on that so she said "no".  Her husband said early on that she had talked to him.  I've always believed that she did, but did not want to reveal that at that time.  According to her interview with Greta tonight she was in the car, he walked up to the car, she was holding up a picture of Nat and said "Where is my daughter?  I want my daughter back" and he responded by beating his chest saying "What do you want me to do about it?"  Is that what you got from it Kerin?
I agree 1005 WITH THE FIRST PART BUT AIN'T SEEN THE LAST PART!  Gotta watch Greta!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:41:02 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:


lol...no just leave out letters and run them all together like Mike does!!!!


Title: Re: middleburg
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
cali:  You blew me off when i asked before but somebody did post a link yesterday evening which had a satish kalpoe studying in middleburg holland anything on that?


OMG Iquitos I am so sorry! I did not mean too! Some times I get lost cause I am web sluething! I apologize.

I have not seen or heard anything like that, what lead me to the school chase was Satish's tickle profile stating the school, a web search of the school which lead me to arubaam, then searching for students of that school. lol


Title: Re: JORAN'S CHEST
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:42:02 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How about...

Joran beat on his chest like Tarzan when questiooned by Natalee's mom

If it is Joran who attempted suicide, his mom had just brought him 2 new towels to jail the day before and that may have been his noose

Dash was on TV again..ooking as beautiful as always and very mature (some troll said coached or something)
 

AT WHAT POINT IN THE ALABAMA POSSE DOORSTEP INTERROGATION OF ALMOST THREE HOURS THAT HAD TO BE BROKEN UP BY POLICE DID JORAN APPROACH BETH PATTING HIS CHEST?


IQUITOS....It was right in the FOX interview tonight. Natalee's mom stated it clearly.
 I AM ASKING AT WHAT POINT IN THE SELF DESCRIBE INTERROGATION DID THE INTIMIDATED AND THREATENED JORAN DO THIS THAT SO OFFENDDED MRS. TWITTY?  IT HAS A CONTEXT ESPECIALLY SINCE LAST INTERVIEW SHE DID NOT TALK TO HIM AND NOW SHE DID.   THERE WAS SOME BAD BLOOD GENRATED THAT NIGHT WHICH WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BUT NOW WE ARE HEARING IN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.  MR V/D SLOOT IS A SLIMEBALL WHO TURNS "JUG'S" STOMACH AND BETH FINDS JORAN WHAT "ARROGAN AND POWERFUL?  WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?  HE IS PROBABLY USED TO GRINGOS BEING NICE TO HIM.


I think Mrs. Twitty was afraid to say something that would "hurt the case" in the first Greta interview.  I think she and her husband may think the case is already so horribly hurt that they may as well speak out, so in the second greta interview she was less guarded in her statements.    

I wonder what Natalee saw in Joran, if anything.
Exactly, arrababa!


Title: Hi Everyone
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 01:42:16 AM
Hi I'm new here
Been reading the posts late at night and trying to catch up here on what I miss on the news during the day, switching between Nick Jr. and Fox.  This has been a Godsend.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:42:23 AM
Getagrip...besides the private schools how is the public education ? Also how many grades; 1 through what? (I know in Jamaica it is grade 11)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: goon squad on June 21, 2005, 01:43:30 AM
<<The other day....cant remember when or where...Beth was asked if anybody had asked for a ransom.....she hesitated...looked down for a second...then looked back up and said no.....this really makes me wonder...>>


Wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of impostors came out of the woodwork.  Her response might have been a way of saying "nothing requested by anybody with a verified connection to my daughter" without going off on a tangent.


Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:43:30 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Hi I'm new here
Been reading the posts late at night and trying to catch up here on what I miss on the news during the day, switching between Nick Jr. and Fox.  This has been a Godsend.


Hello and welcome!!!   :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:43:33 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Maybe relivant, may not be...but hey..we know nothing so it's somthing for the moment...

I already listed their school, Colegio Arubano, which to my understanding is a public school. Deepak, was an average or near average student. As is/was Satish.

Neither has been accepted into college nor has applied. (I still sense a lack of funds, not that I am saying anything other than, my point that it seems all their friends have and are moving away to various colleges.)

I have no confirmation of a sister, doesn't mean there isn't but I have not been told there is one.

My theory of Deepak having to work hard to go to college due to lack of funds was correct. (Again, not that this matter but it's info)

Other than Angelina Reppas, which by the way is a female friend and his boss at the cyber cafe, I have heard what another "friend" had to say. They both have one thing in common, they dodge very nice questions like, do you believe in his innocence. (Still really find that odd) Did surprisingly get some vivid pictures of Deepak (back to my theory of wanting to fit in) having some odd friends (like we didn't know that lol) and wanting a better life for himself to the point it worried this person and they would not go any further to comment.

We all have heard his father to be a local business owner, I was not told what kind, as they are being very private, but was given the impression, it was more like a "store?"

I am having a timeline problem with how long they moved there. I was told 5 or so years on Aruba, I was told something to the effect they lived and grew up mostly in Suriname.

That's all I got so far.. could be give an insite.. not to sure how reliable the person but then again is anything reliable in this case? lol


Caligirl,

Giovanni Lane told Greta that Colegion Arubano is the top school there - perhaps the Arubians here can confirm this. I believe it's the top school in that follows the Dutch educational system - it should follow that tuition is expensive. This is the school Satish attended, per his Tickle.com profile.

ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) is also a private school, but not within the Dutch system (more like the American educational system) where students who do not speak Dutch and/or want to do their post-secondary studies in the U.S. attend. Also expensive tuition fees. Reported that Deepak (?) and confirmed that Joran attended.


Good point and question. Let me check my notes and see if I can post the school info.


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:43:36 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi![/quote] HUSH UP WOMAN!! :roll:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 01:43:50 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??


Ok, so the attempted suicide of a young detainee reported by <can't remember and don't have a link lol> was not related to the Natalee Holloway detainees?

On the 2nd point, Giovanni Lane mentioned that Deepak and Joran saw each other in school daily - that's what doesn't make any sense to me. Also, when Deepak was in the last grade at 18 years old, Joran would have been 14, likely that they would be friends?


Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:44:45 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Hi I'm new here
Been reading the posts late at night and trying to catch up here on what I miss on the news during the day, switching between Nick Jr. and Fox.  This has been a Godsend.


G'morning 6prs'o'klompen, and welcome to the board!  Any insight into how this is being reported in Nederland?


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: lainey on June 21, 2005, 01:45:01 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"

 :)
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi![/quote]

Hey, watch it now!  At least they ain't #50 anymore like when I was there.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 01:45:32 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??


Ok, so the attempted suicide of a young detainee reported by <can't remember and don't have a link lol> was not related to the Natalee Holloway detainees?

On the 2nd point, Giovanni Lane mentioned that Deepak and Joran saw each other in school daily - that's what doesn't make any sense to me. Also, when Deepak was in the last grade at 18 years old, Joran would have been 14, likely that they would be friends?

I don't think we know for sure yet about the suicide thing.  If there is any truth that one of them attempted suicide we should know more tomorrow.


Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:45:37 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Hi I'm new here
Been reading the posts late at night and trying to catch up here on what I miss on the news during the day, switching between Nick Jr. and Fox.  This has been a Godsend.


Greetings 6prs!


Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Hi I'm new here
Been reading the posts late at night and trying to catch up here on what I miss on the news during the day, switching between Nick Jr. and Fox.  This has been a Godsend.

Welcome. Nice clogs  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 01:47:32 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Maybe relivant, may not be...but hey..we know nothing so it's somthing for the moment...

I already listed their school, Colegio Arubano, which to my understanding is a public school. Deepak, was an average or near average student. As is/was Satish.

Neither has been accepted into college nor has applied. (I still sense a lack of funds, not that I am saying anything other than, my point that it seems all their friends have and are moving away to various colleges.)

I have no confirmation of a sister, doesn't mean there isn't but I have not been told there is one.

My theory of Deepak having to work hard to go to college due to lack of funds was correct. (Again, not that this matter but it's info)

Other than Angelina Reppas, which by the way is a female friend and his boss at the cyber cafe, I have heard what another "friend" had to say. They both have one thing in common, they dodge very nice questions like, do you believe in his innocence. (Still really find that odd) Did surprisingly get some vivid pictures of Deepak (back to my theory of wanting to fit in) having some odd friends (like we didn't know that lol) and wanting a better life for himself to the point it worried this person and they would not go any further to comment.

We all have heard his father to be a local business owner, I was not told what kind, as they are being very private, but was given the impression, it was more like a "store?"

I am having a timeline problem with how long they moved there. I was told 5 or so years on Aruba, I was told something to the effect they lived and grew up mostly in Suriname.

That's all I got so far.. could be give an insite.. not to sure how reliable the person but then again is anything reliable in this case? lol


Caligirl,

Giovanni Lane told Greta that Colegion Arubano is the top school there - perhaps the Arubians here can confirm this. I believe it's the top school in that follows the Dutch educational system - it should follow that tuition is expensive. This is the school Satish attended, per his Tickle.com profile.

ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) is also a private school, but not within the Dutch system (more like the American educational system) where students who do not speak Dutch and/or want to do their post-secondary studies in the U.S. attend. Also expensive tuition fees. Reported that Deepak (?) and confirmed that Joran attended.


Just an FYI:

In the Dutch edcation system there are three levels of highschoo:
MAVO (Mid level) 4 yrs
HAVO (high-level) 5 yrs (needed to enter US colleges)
VWO (Advanced) 6yrs (needed to enter Dutch Universities)

Colegio Arubano is the only High and Advanced level Highschool on the island)....It is a public school.....


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 01:47:38 AM
Well, since I live in Holland, MI, no! ha  Sorry, should've clarified that, huh?
HOWEVER, being 100% Dutch, I can say that the way they are handling things down there does not surprise me in the least.  I could probably offer better insight on why that is, if you're curious, anyway.


Title: caligirl kalpoe research
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:47:48 AM
caligirl can yo characterize sources?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:48:14 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?
So, lemme see.......then ya got fresh water to drank witcher supper? LOL!


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 01:48:39 AM
Quote from: "lainey"
Quote from: "TTownMike"

 :)
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi!


You'reproblyrite.....
All i know is I was talking to a good friend from ALA about Roe vs. Wade and she thought we were talking about the best way to get across the creek.  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:49:21 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
HEY...everyone sit back...close your eyes...take a deep breath...and enjoy this moment for a short time...it is probably one of the only times we can say that we are TROLL FREE!!!!!!!!!!   :D  :D  :D
I bliev them little varments got they're own thread!  Works fer me!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:49:22 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, since I live in Holland, MI, no! ha  Sorry, should've clarified that, huh?
HOWEVER, being 100% Dutch, I can say that the way they are handling things down there does not surprise me in the least.  I could probably offer better insight on why that is, if you're curious, anyway.


we are always happy to have insight


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:49:52 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Maybe relivant, may not be...but hey..we know nothing so it's somthing for the moment...

I already listed their school, Colegio Arubano, which to my understanding is a public school. Deepak, was an average or near average student. As is/was Satish.

Neither has been accepted into college nor has applied. (I still sense a lack of funds, not that I am saying anything other than, my point that it seems all their friends have and are moving away to various colleges.)

I have no confirmation of a sister, doesn't mean there isn't but I have not been told there is one.

My theory of Deepak having to work hard to go to college due to lack of funds was correct. (Again, not that this matter but it's info)

Other than Angelina Reppas, which by the way is a female friend and his boss at the cyber cafe, I have heard what another "friend" had to say. They both have one thing in common, they dodge very nice questions like, do you believe in his innocence. (Still really find that odd) Did surprisingly get some vivid pictures of Deepak (back to my theory of wanting to fit in) having some odd friends (like we didn't know that lol) and wanting a better life for himself to the point it worried this person and they would not go any further to comment.

We all have heard his father to be a local business owner, I was not told what kind, as they are being very private, but was given the impression, it was more like a "store?"

I am having a timeline problem with how long they moved there. I was told 5 or so years on Aruba, I was told something to the effect they lived and grew up mostly in Suriname.

That's all I got so far.. could be give an insite.. not to sure how reliable the person but then again is anything reliable in this case? lol


Caligirl,

Giovanni Lane told Greta that Colegion Arubano is the top school there - perhaps the Arubians here can confirm this. I believe it's the top school in that follows the Dutch educational system - it should follow that tuition is expensive. This is the school Satish attended, per his Tickle.com profile.

ISA (Int'l School of Aruba) is also a private school, but not within the Dutch system (more like the American educational system) where students who do not speak Dutch and/or want to do their post-secondary studies in the U.S. attend. Also expensive tuition fees. Reported that Deepak (?) and confirmed that Joran attended.


Just an FYI:

In the Dutch edcation system there are three levels of highschoo:
MAVO (Mid level) 4 yrs
HAVO (high-level) 5 yrs (needed to enter US colleges)
VWO (Advanced) 6yrs (needed to enter Dutch Universities)

Colegio Arubano is the only High and Advanced level Highschool on the island)....It is a public school.....


Thank you Native! I knew if you were here you could tell us! Thank you!!! You are the best!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:50:22 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?
So, lemme see.......then ya got fresh water to drank witcher supper? LOL!


nah...it's recycled bathing water  :shock:


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "lainey"
Quote from: "TTownMike"

 :)
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi!


You'reproblyrite.....
All i know is I was talking to a good friend from ALA about Roe vs. Wade and she thought we were talking about the best way to get across the creek.  :lol:


lol...that was funny!!!!   :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:51:25 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, since I live in Holland, MI, no! ha  Sorry, should've clarified that, huh?
HOWEVER, being 100% Dutch, I can say that the way they are handling things down there does not surprise me in the least.  I could probably offer better insight on why that is, if you're curious, anyway.


As Emily Litella would say, "In that case... Nevermind!!  :lol:

But sure, I'd be interested in why they are handling it the way they are.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:51:26 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?


Everybody knows that Texans don't take their baths on Thursdays!!!  They take them the 2nd Tuesday of every month...the day before Oklahomans do!!!!
LOL!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 01:51:36 AM
Hey you insomniac monkeys. Anything new? Looks like we still don't know who attempted suicide. I see the Twittys have hired an attorney and some Texas horsemen to go look for her. Did any of our Texans play a hand in that? (Can't help but wonder.)

Other than that -- looks like no news.


Title: Re: ALBAMA RANKS 44
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:52:12 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "lainey"
Quote from: "TTownMike"

 :)
Whatchutawkinbout? Gawgans ain't got no room ta tawk!  (thank gooness fer Missippi!


You'reproblyrite.....
All i know is I was talking to a good friend from ALA about Roe vs. Wade and she thought we were talking about the best way to get across the creek.  :lol:


That's freaking hilarious!!  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Thursday? That's "bathing" day down here in Texas. You know us cowboys...we like to work up a real good stink. No reason to waste water, you know?
So, lemme see.......then ya got fresh water to drank witcher supper? LOL!


nah...it's recycled bathing water  :shock:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:   There is no peucking emoticon...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:52:59 AM
same old, same old, Chloe.

and Good Evening!


Title: supervision
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:54:12 AM
who is watching us this morning (EDST)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 01:54:26 AM
Well, it's been my experience that the Dutch (my family included) prefer to keep things to themselvesand would rather present a good image than admit things aren't perfect.  It comes with the strong sense of pride and ingrained stoic nature of the people, I guess.  Holland, MI was settled by the Dutch way back when and the subculture of the Dutch families here is much like we're seeing now in the way they are handling Natalee's disappearance.  It's almost as if asking for help is a sign of weakness, and it's that way to a fault, sadly.
We younger Dutch people refer to the older generation as the Dutch Mafia, b/c they never talk about the business!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:54:46 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Getagrip...very good point that I hadn't thought of...the attorney.  I think you are right about that.  Much more being said since the attorney was hired.  Heard on the news it is a local attorney.
And then again too, after 21 days, no more pullin punches!  Sotaspeak!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:54:52 AM
Oh and Chloe, Natalee's uncle lives in TX and he is the one who got the Equine Team involved. They work on a lot of missing persons cases...you may have heard of them?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:54:58 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Hey you insomniac monkeys. Anything new? Looks like we still don't know who attempted suicide. I see the Twittys have hired an attorney and some Texas horsemen to go look for her. Did any of our Texans play a hand in that? (Can't help but wonder.)

Other than that -- looks like no news.


Hello Chloe.  Are there monkeys that aren't insomniacs?  I thought "monkey see, monkey do"?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: hardin9744 on June 21, 2005, 01:55:23 AM
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Title: Re: caligirl kalpoe research
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:56:05 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
caligirl can yo characterize sources?


Well, I tree hopped like Kerin through the maze of friends. Figured out who went to what school, happened upon arubaam, which stated the school even though I knew. Acted very sweet and kind..saw who might bite. SOme bit too hard lol some were very nice.

Angelina Reppas's interview was found by someone in this room from somewhere unknown but the post had her email, so I emailed and asked the person who had the info on the interview what the context I caught was and was there more.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 01:56:15 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, it's been my experience that the Dutch (my family included) prefer to keep things to themselvesand would rather present a good image than admit things aren't perfect.  It comes with the strong sense of pride and ingrained stoic nature of the people, I guess.  Holland, MI was settled by the Dutch way back when and the subculture of the Dutch families here is much like we're seeing now in the way they are handling Natalee's disappearance.  It's almost as if asking for help is a sign of weakness, and it's that way to a fault, sadly.
We younger Dutch people refer to the older generation as the Dutch Mafia, b/c they never talk about the business!


Very interesting!!  Thanks!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 01:56:25 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
same old, same old, Chloe.

and Good Evening!

Evening Kerin. Thanks for the no-update, update. Had to attend stepson's high school graduation tonight. Kept thinking about Natalee's family -- how they had done this just a month ago.  :cry:
With no news, I'm off to bed. Keep the torches burning y'all.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??


Ok, so the attempted suicide of a young detainee reported by <can't remember and don't have a link lol> was not related to the Natalee Holloway detainees?

On the 2nd point, Giovanni Lane mentioned that Deepak and Joran saw each other in school daily - that's what doesn't make any sense to me. Also, when Deepak was in the last grade at 18 years old, Joran would have been 14, likely that they would be friends?

I don't think we know for sure yet about the suicide thing.  If there is any truth that one of them attempted suicide we should know more tomorrow.


report of suicide related to three boys but no indication as to which one.  according to latest caligirl research deepak did not attend aruba international but colegio arubano


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:57:13 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, it's been my experience that the Dutch (my family included) prefer to keep things to themselvesand would rather present a good image than admit things aren't perfect.  It comes with the strong sense of pride and ingrained stoic nature of the people, I guess.  Holland, MI was settled by the Dutch way back when and the subculture of the Dutch families here is much like we're seeing now in the way they are handling Natalee's disappearance.  It's almost as if asking for help is a sign of weakness, and it's that way to a fault, sadly.
We younger Dutch people refer to the older generation as the Dutch Mafia, b/c they never talk about the business!


that's right in line with what we have heard from others  :)
the only problem is that sometimes your "pride" can interfere with the "truth"


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 01:57:33 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
same old, same old, Chloe.

and Good Evening!

Evening Kerin. Thanks for the no-update, update. Had to attend stepson's high school graduation tonight. Kept thinking about Natalee's family -- how they had done this just a month ago.  :cry:
With no news, I'm off to bed. Keep the torches burning y'all.


Night Chloe!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 01:57:39 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, it's been my experience that the Dutch (my family included) prefer to keep things to themselvesand would rather present a good image than admit things aren't perfect.  It comes with the strong sense of pride and ingrained stoic nature of the people, I guess.  Holland, MI was settled by the Dutch way back when and the subculture of the Dutch families here is much like we're seeing now in the way they are handling Natalee's disappearance.  It's almost as if asking for help is a sign of weakness, and it's that way to a fault, sadly.
We younger Dutch people refer to the older generation as the Dutch Mafia, b/c they never talk about the business!


Agreed! I am Dutch  :wink: Always been taught to live up to my finally name.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 01:58:11 AM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 01:58:43 AM
(Never said being Dutch was a good thing!)

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face!


Title: Re: caligirl kalpoe research
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:00:10 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
caligirl can yo characterize sources?


Well, I tree hopped like Kerin through the maze of friends. Figured out who went to what school, happened upon arubaam, which stated the school even though I knew. Acted very sweet and kind..saw who might bite. SOme bit too hard lol some were very nice.

Angelina Reppas's interview was found by someone in this room from somewhere unknown but the post had her email, so I emailed and asked the person who had the info on the interview what the context I caught was and was there more.

Cali, I have this visual of both our houses. Blackboards and post it notes...crumpled paper...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
The attempted suicide case is NOT related......It involves the other missng person....a male who's family claims to be suicidal....

Joran has been attending the ISA for a long time....maybe he met Deepak there before he graduated??


Ok, so the attempted suicide of a young detainee reported by <can't remember and don't have a link lol> was not related to the Natalee Holloway detainees?

On the 2nd point, Giovanni Lane mentioned that Deepak and Joran saw each other in school daily - that's what doesn't make any sense to me. Also, when Deepak was in the last grade at 18 years old, Joran would have been 14, likely that they would be friends?

I don't think we know for sure yet about the suicide thing.  If there is any truth that one of them attempted suicide we should know more tomorrow.


report of suicide related to three boys but no indication as to which one.  according to latest caligirl research deepak did not attend aruba international but colegio arubano

Sheesh, no wonder we don't trust the MSM heh. Thanks for the detective work, Caligirl.

About the attempted suicide, ok, that's where I was at...unconfirmed, and unknown which suspect.

Thanks!


Title: DUTCH CHARACTER
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:00:20 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Well, it's been my experience that the Dutch (my family included) prefer to keep things to themselvesand would rather present a good image than admit things aren't perfect.  It comes with the strong sense of pride and ingrained stoic nature of the people, I guess.  Holland, MI was settled by the Dutch way back when and the subculture of the Dutch families here is much like we're seeing now in the way they are handling Natalee's disappearance.  It's almost as if asking for help is a sign of weakness, and it's that way to a fault, sadly.
We younger Dutch people refer to the older generation as the Dutch Mafia, b/c they never talk about the business!


EXCELLENT INSIGHT POOR MR V/D SLOOT IS PLAYING IT TO A T.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:00:44 AM
What I'd liketa know, how y'all keepin up wiff all them names n such?  All I know is Urine and Papa Van Douche!  Thank gooness fer Missippi!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:02:15 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
What I'd liketa know, how y'all keepin up wiff all them names n such?  All I know is Urine and Papa Van Douche!  Thank gooness fer Missippi!
You and I are FIXIN to SCRAP!! :shock:


Title: Re: caligirl kalpoe research
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:02:33 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
caligirl can yo characterize sources?


Well, I tree hopped like Kerin through the maze of friends. Figured out who went to what school, happened upon arubaam, which stated the school even though I knew. Acted very sweet and kind..saw who might bite. SOme bit too hard lol some were very nice.

Angelina Reppas's interview was found by someone in this room from somewhere unknown but the post had her email, so I emailed and asked the person who had the info on the interview what the context I caught was and was there more.

Cali, I have this visual of both our houses. Blackboards and post it notes...crumpled paper...
I thank all three a y'all really sumpin!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:03:00 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: hardin9744 on June 21, 2005, 02:03:31 AM
Native- thanks for your quick answer.  I'm glad the family has someone to help them w/the Aruban legal system.  some of it appears to be quite different from what what we're used to here in the USA.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:03:57 AM
If anybody is interested in learning more about the Texas Equusearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team...their website is....
http://www.texasequusearch.org


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Kkial on June 21, 2005, 02:04:43 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:04:45 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
What I'd liketa know, how y'all keepin up wiff all them names n such?  All I know is Urine and Papa Van Douche!  Thank gooness fer Missippi!
You and I are FIXIN to SCRAP!! :shock:
Oops!  No fence! :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 02:05:06 AM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native- thanks for your quick answer.  I'm glad the family has someone to help them w/the Aruban legal system.  some of it appears to be quite different from what what we're used to here in the USA.


It is very different...But it is a very respected system...and by no means inferior :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:05:14 AM
Waiting...I always laugh when I hear someone from the south say "I am FIXIN to do _________" LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:05:29 AM
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:05:42 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
(Never said being Dutch was a good thing!)

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face!


lol Hey I like being Dutch but then again I am americanized  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:06:16 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )

Did we all google her at the same time  :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:06:49 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Waiting...I always laugh when I hear someone from the south say "I am FIXIN to do _________" LOL
tee hee hee


Title: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:06:57 AM
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 02:07:15 AM
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?



SHE is VERY good....:wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:07:16 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
If anybody is interested in learning more about the Texas Equusearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team...their website is....
http://www.texasequusearch.org
Did they get there yet?


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Yes, I do.  They tend to be very independent and sometimes can be seen as stuck up? I guess that would be a good word for it.

They like the way they run things, just as most countries to but they do not tend to like to admit making mistakes. I see a perfectionism in them  :wink:


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:08:15 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN
kinda like MIKE :?  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:08:48 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.
And don't fergit bout them wood shoes!  Ouch!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:08:51 AM
I was flipping through MySpace today and ran across Joran's MySpace account. Check it out..

http://www.myspace.com/14905439

The message from his "friend" on myspace from Aruba is kinda alarming..this shows the Aruban's really care about Natalee..


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 02:09:06 AM
waiting...I think you and I are sharing the same brain wave...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:09:32 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
(Never said being Dutch was a good thing!)

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face!


lol Hey I like being Dutch but then again I am americanized  :wink:
Lemme see yer shoes!


Title: Re: caligirl kalpoe research
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:10:07 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
caligirl can yo characterize sources?


Well, I tree hopped like Kerin through the maze of friends. Figured out who went to what school, happened upon arubaam, which stated the school even though I knew. Acted very sweet and kind..saw who might bite. SOme bit too hard lol some were very nice.

Angelina Reppas's interview was found by someone in this room from somewhere unknown but the post had her email, so I emailed and asked the person who had the info on the interview what the context I caught was and was there more.

Cali, I have this visual of both our houses. Blackboards and post it notes...crumpled paper...
I thank all three a y'all really sumpin!


ROFLMAO Kerin.. yeah I have little trees written down LMAO Man I am gonna go through withdrawls when we have nothing to lookup!


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:10:43 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.
QUIT IT!!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:10:54 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Yes, I do.  They tend to be very independent and sometimes can be seen as stuck up? I guess that would be a good word for it.

They like the way they run things, just as most countries to but they do not tend to like to admit making mistakes. I see a perfectionism in them  :wink:

Rather than 'stuck up', I'd say (as a generalization) Dutch people seem very reserved. I have Dutch friends and have been to the Netherlands. Once you get past that 'reserved' first impression, they are lovely people.

I agree with the perfectionism though LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:10:54 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
(Never said being Dutch was a good thing!)

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face!


lol Hey I like being Dutch but then again I am americanized  :wink:
Lemme see yer shoes!


lol Mike! ::sowing some 5 inch spike heels::: JK


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:11:38 AM
OK...Ms. de Souza is now on the board!
Native, so are you...listed as a client  :)


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 02:11:38 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.
QUIT IT!!!


What?  No fence, Mike...sotaspeak.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:11:46 AM
Ya know, about 12 yrs ago I was in Aruba (cruise) and I really don't remember ever being approached with drugs or stuff like that.  I remember in Venezuela, though, our tour guide was dealing drugs out of the fricken window and I was mentally making my last will and testament on the way up the mountain as he was trying to take those hairpin curves, higher than a kite.  Shoulda brought a spare pair of undies on that trip... Twenty miles can make a big difference apparantly, b/c Aruba and VZ were completely different

pardon my spelling.... trying not to wake da baby with the clicking of the keyboard


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 21, 2005, 02:11:55 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


I lurk and try to only post when it's important - but since it's a slow news night . . .

Bart Starr, MVP of the first two superbowls - went to the University of Alabama.  As did the third Super Bowl MVP. I win a lot of bets with this question. Name the first three MVP's and the school they went to. Just a bit of trivia to lighten the mood.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:12:09 AM
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 02:12:14 AM
wow he's on myspace too, he's on every matchmaking site made it seems like.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:12:40 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Yes, I do.  They tend to be very independent and sometimes can be seen as stuck up? I guess that would be a good word for it.

They like the way they run things, just as most countries to but they do not tend to like to admit making mistakes. I see a perfectionism in them  :wink:
i Sold a house to some Dutch ppl once before they ever saw it (they wuz in Dutchland!)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: hardin9744 on June 21, 2005, 02:12:49 AM
Native- did not mean to imply your legal system is inferior to USA system.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:12:57 AM
Dutch sound a lot like Germans


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:13:06 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
waiting...I think you and I are sharing the same brain wave...
wonder who it belongs to.....ha ha (not me tonight)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:13:11 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Yes, I do.  They tend to be very independent and sometimes can be seen as stuck up? I guess that would be a good word for it.

They like the way they run things, just as most countries to but they do not tend to like to admit making mistakes. I see a perfectionism in them  :wink:

Rather than 'stuck up', I'd say (as a generalization) Dutch people seem very reserved. I have Dutch friends and have been to the Netherlands. Once you get past that 'reserved' first impression, they are lovely people.

I agree with the perfectionism though LOL


lol Getagrip.. I have that darn gene! My daughter is already displaying that gene.. ugh lol

Stuck-up may have not been the right word. My brain is tired but I do know it took me a long time, to get past thinking it with my family because they were very quiet, not seemly friendly.. yeah I don't have that problem any more LMAO


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:13:21 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN
kinda like MIKE :?  :shock:
Uhhumm!  I heard that! :x


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:14:24 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Ya know, about 12 yrs ago I was in Aruba (cruise) and I really don't remember ever being approached with drugs or stuff like that.  I remember in Venezuela, though, our tour guide was dealing drugs out of the fricken window and I was mentally making my last will and testament on the way up the mountain as he was trying to take those hairpin curves, higher than a kite.  Shoulda brought a spare pair of undies on that trip... Twenty miles can make a big difference apparantly, b/c Aruba and VZ were completely different

pardon my spelling.... trying not to wake da baby with the clicking of the keyboard


lol I am picturing that!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: "Ladyhawke112"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


I lurk and try to only post when it's important - but since it's a slow news night . . .

Bart Starr, MVP of the first two superbowls - went to the University of Alabama.  As did the third Super Bowl MVP. I win a lot of bets with this question. Name the first three MVP's and the school they went to. Just a bit of trivia to lighten the mood.


Interesting!  Joe Namath was MVP of SBIII?  And btw, anything involving the Packers is important!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: AzRose on June 21, 2005, 02:15:26 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Dutch sound a lot like Germans


I was just thinking the same thing


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:15:42 AM
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:15:43 AM
Dutch is alot like German. I took German my freshmen year (even though i flunked it horribly) I understand alot of what is written by Joran and other Dutch sites. It's odd the language is alot alike. Same pre-fixes used.


Title: JORAN'S PAGE
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:16:03 AM
Quote from: "PHS05"
I was flipping through MySpace today and ran across Joran's MySpace account. Check it out..

http://www.myspace.com/14905439

The message from his "friend" on myspace from Aruba is kinda alarming..this shows the Aruban's really care about Natalee..


LOOK AT DATE OF LAST LOGIN  HE LOOKS TIRED
IS HE BORN IN JUNE OR AUGUST?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:16:09 AM
You CHEESEHEADS! SHEESH!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:16:10 AM
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Dutch sound a lot like Germans


I was just thinking the same thing

The Dutchies are germanic  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:16:24 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl,
would you agree then that it is kind of characteristic of the Dutch in general?
You know how they say the Dutch are known for being entreprenuers and business owners? I'm starting to think it's because they don't like taking direction from anyone else... NH case in point.


Yes, I do.  They tend to be very independent and sometimes can be seen as stuck up? I guess that would be a good word for it.

They like the way they run things, just as most countries to but they do not tend to like to admit making mistakes. I see a perfectionism in them  :wink:

Rather than 'stuck up', I'd say (as a generalization) Dutch people seem very reserved. I have Dutch friends and have been to the Netherlands. Once you get past that 'reserved' first impression, they are lovely people.

I agree with the perfectionism though LOL
But then again, they sure have a hard time sneekin up on ya!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:17:16 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
(Never said being Dutch was a good thing!)

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face!


lol Hey I like being Dutch but then again I am americanized  :wink:
Lemme see yer shoes!


lol Mike! ::sowing some 5 inch spike heels::: JK
Oh ! Well, shet my mouff!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: "PHS05"
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Some people on here have speculated about why Joran left those two friends on his site, when it seems likely he had a lot more previously.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 02:17:26 AM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native- did not mean to imply your legal system is inferior to USA system.


I know.....(just slipped out :wink: )


Title: GUESSTIMATE: (purely a guess)
Post by: Robert J on June 21, 2005, 02:17:43 AM
GUESSTIMATE:  (purely a guess)

In reviewing the news videoclips..
it was the way that Steve Gregory Croes covered his face..
that told me the story:

- Joran did the deed.
- Joran, Deepak, and Steve,
 (and maybe Satish too because he was along for the ride in Deepak's car),
 carried out the disposal of the body.

- If the body is not found on the island, it is in the sea;  either at the ocean bottom a distance beyond the Tattoo or has been carried out by the currents (and should be 115-170 miles away from the island toward the west).

- Steve would have probably utilized the Tattoo's ferry boat to help out a friend and his friend to dispose of the body.


---


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:17:51 AM
Kerin<----is French
We are known for being the opposite of reserved and stoic  :wink:


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:18:18 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.
QUIT IT!!!


What?  No fence, Mike...sotaspeak.
You ppl mowkin me? :cry:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:18:21 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


You're right... I did pee my pants!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:18:25 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 02:18:29 AM
Quote from: "PHS05"
Dutch is alot like German. I took German my freshmen year (even though i flunked it horribly) I understand alot of what is written by Joran and other Dutch sites. It's odd the language is alot alike. Same pre-fixes used.


German is bad-spoken Dutch :wink:  :shock:


Title: g'nite
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:18:39 AM
GOING TO GET SOME REST.  ANOTHER PRODUCTIVE DAY OF SWATTING AT RUMORS.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:19:07 AM
klippety klop klippety klop

dutch drive by


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:19:09 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.
QUIT IT!!!


What?  No fence, Mike...sotaspeak.
You ppl mowkin me? :cry:


Hey no making Mike cry! lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 21, 2005, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Ladyhawke112"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


I lurk and try to only post when it's important - but since it's a slow news night . . .

Bart Starr, MVP of the first two superbowls - went to the University of Alabama.  As did the third Super Bowl MVP. I win a lot of bets with this question. Name the first three MVP's and the school they went to. Just a bit of trivia to lighten the mood.


Interesting!  Joe Namath was MVP of SBIII?  And btw, anything involving the Packers is important!


Yes, the third was Namath. I was raised on Alabama football. My father told people "Bear Bryant" was my first spoken words.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:20:06 AM
Quote from: "Ladyhawke112"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


I lurk and try to only post when it's important - but since it's a slow news night . . .

Bart Starr, MVP of the first two superbowls - went to the University of Alabama.  As did the third Super Bowl MVP. I win a lot of bets with this question. Name the first three MVP's and the school they went to. Just a bit of trivia to lighten the mood.
ROLL TIDE!  (sotaspeak!)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:20:15 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "PHS05"
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Some people on here have speculated about why Joran left those two friends on his site, when it seems likely he had a lot more previously.


He had LOTS more previously. The 2 he left are kinda a strange choice but WTH...maybe he didn't think it all through and disect each and every little detail like we are.  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:20:38 AM
Quote from: "Ladyhawke112"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Ladyhawke112"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Thanks for all that info, Caligirl!!

So am I the only one from a smart state left here?  Maybe I should use smaller words or something.  :lol:
Yeh, and what about Bart Star and Bret Favre?  Huh?  Importin them WINNERS!  (no fence,Psych!)


You got me there!  Brett Favre is far and away the most popular person in Wisconsin.  That's not to say he's the brightest crayon in the box, though.  :D


I lurk and try to only post when it's important - but since it's a slow news night . . .

Bart Starr, MVP of the first two superbowls - went to the University of Alabama.  As did the third Super Bowl MVP. I win a lot of bets with this question. Name the first three MVP's and the school they went to. Just a bit of trivia to lighten the mood.


Interesting!  Joe Namath was MVP of SBIII?  And btw, anything involving the Packers is important!


Yes, the third was Namath. I was raised on Alabama football. My father told people "Bear Bryant" was my first spoken words.


I think mine were, "Da Bears suck!"


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:20:48 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


You're right... I did pee my pants!!


You're psychic --- ya shoulda seen that comin'!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:21:52 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Dutch sound a lot like Germans
Them Germans spacenzydutch!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:22:17 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: AzRose on June 21, 2005, 02:22:58 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "PHS05"
Dutch is alot like German. I took German my freshmen year (even though i flunked it horribly) I understand alot of what is written by Joran and other Dutch sites. It's odd the language is alot alike. Same pre-fixes used.


German is bad-spoken Dutch :wink:  :shock:


LOL -  Try telling my relatives that !!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:


LMAO Why did I know Kerin was gonna say that??  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:23:31 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:

ROFL! I was so tempted to ask the exact same question, but censored myself  :P


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: NativeLingo on June 21, 2005, 02:23:37 AM
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "PHS05"
Dutch is alot like German. I took German my freshmen year (even though i flunked it horribly) I understand alot of what is written by Joran and other Dutch sites. It's odd the language is alot alike. Same pre-fixes used.


German is bad-spoken Dutch :wink:  :shock:


LOL -  Try telling my relatives that !!


SO SOWY :oops: LOL


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 02:23:41 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "PHS05"
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Some people on here have speculated about why Joran left those two friends on his site, when it seems likely he had a lot more previously.


Ya, he probably cleaned them all up when he was release for a week.  :cry:  :evil:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:23:49 AM
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:24:29 AM
:::going to the corner for a time out::::


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:24:30 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:

ROFL! I was so tempted to ask the exact same question, but censored myself  :P


LMAO *sigh* Had that joke all my life... LMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:24:57 AM
I've heard "huss" within names here that I won't print for your sake :D
We have a pretty good mix of families from all the provinces, but I happen to Friesian Dutch. (yikes)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:25:23 AM
Yeah..does anyone know if there is a way to check other people's myspace...search for people who have Joran as a friend?


Title: Re: GUESSTIMATE: (purely a guess)
Post by: Kkial on June 21, 2005, 02:25:26 AM
Quote from: "Robert J"
GUESSTIMATE:  (purely a guess)

http://www.mythforlife.com/predictions.htmlnd


This is a spooky site,,,might play out,,,,


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:25:52 AM
Quote from: "TG"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "PHS05"
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Some people on here have speculated about why Joran left those two friends on his site, when it seems likely he had a lot more previously.


Ya, he probably cleaned them all up when he was release for a week.  :cry:  :evil:


doesn't matter when his site was cached  :twisted:  :twisted:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:26:11 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
I've heard "huss" within names here that I won't print for your sake :D
We have a pretty good mix of families from all the provinces, but I happen to Friesian Dutch. (yikes)


 :o

lol I wondered..we tend to be a more uncommon name.. at least from what I was taught and knew.  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 02:26:19 AM
Good night all!!!  Off to bed!  See you in the morning!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:26:37 AM
nite dragonfly!


Title: Re: g'nite
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
GOING TO GET SOME REST.  ANOTHER PRODUCTIVE DAY OF SWATTING AT RUMORS.
RiverDerchi iquitos!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 21, 2005, 02:26:59 AM
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "PHS05"
Dutch is alot like German. I took German my freshmen year (even though i flunked it horribly) I understand alot of what is written by Joran and other Dutch sites. It's odd the language is alot alike. Same pre-fixes used.


German is bad-spoken Dutch :wink:  :shock:


LOL -  Try telling my relatives that !!


SO SOWY :oops: LOL


LOL - I have a lot of Dutch friends and a German mother. I always thought Dutch sounded like pretty German.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:27:14 AM
NIGHT DF!!!


Title: Re: HE IS A WOMAN
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:27:37 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "NativeLingo"
Quote from: "hardin9744"
Native?  do you know the name of the attorney hired by Natalee's family?


Benvinda "Vinda" de Souza (I'm also a "client"  :wink: )


Native,,tell us about him,, Is he one of the best down there?


HE IS A WOMAN


Who, Mike?  I thought we had this discussion earlier?  lol.
QUIT IT!!!


What?  No fence, Mike...sotaspeak.
You ppl mowkin me? :cry:


Hey no making Mike cry! lol
Better QUIT IT! :twisted:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 02:27:52 AM
It was a nice forum tonight. I usually just read but sometimes can't resist the urge to join in. Have a Good nite all. I'm fixin to go to bed so I can get up with the chickens.   :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 02:28:22 AM
Quote from: "PHS05"
doesn't matter when his site was cached  :twisted:  :twisted:  :evil:  :evil:


so you have all the info that he deleted or have seen it?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:28:47 AM
Night Chels!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:28:53 AM
Okay, I have learned not to go to those psychic/prediction sites when it's dark cuz I get all creeped out and have to shut my blinds (cuz, you know, if you do that those spirits can't see you??? wth am i thinking sometimes)
Seriously, I call my dog over, and have to get my feet up on the chair when I go to those sites when it's dark

"I see dumb people"
I don't want to see dead people!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:29:03 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:


I actually had relatives named Hussey (supposedly Oscar nominee Ruth Hussey was a distant relative).


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:
R U?  :o


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:29:36 AM
uhhh.....excuse me...but am I still in time out?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:30:27 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Okay, I have learned not to go to those psychic/prediction sites when it's dark cuz I get all creeped out and have to shut my blinds (cuz, you know, if you do that those spirits can't see you??? wth am i thinking sometimes)
Seriously, I call my dog over, and have to get my feet up on the chair when I go to those sites when it's dark

"I see dumb people"
I don't want to see dead people!

LOL those psychics are a crock! Just my opinion  :oops:

Already enough wild speculation on our side...don't need to waste my time reading the 'psychic' predictions that have been proven to be added after the fact ;)


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:30:27 AM
no Kerin! :D :P


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:30:39 AM
Scott Says:
June 21st, 2005 at 1:42 am
As a professor of forensic psychology, i believe this case is unlikely to be solved by the Aruban police. They have obtained no forensic evidence that i am aware of. There is also no body to be found which, in most criminal cases, is the single most important piece of evidence to analyze/profile. Additionally, while an investigation is going on, you never, ever allow anyone related to a victim speak with a suspect. never, ever. With a skilled interrogator, i.e. the US FBI/Quantico contingent… you might still be able to get the truth from one of the three boys. But, the fact that there appears to be no evidence, weekens the position of interrogator considerably. From a purely psychological point of view based on statements made by all three parties (Van Der Sloot and the 2 brothers) that i have read, i would place the highest probability of guilt on J. Van Der Sloot. However, in a court of law, probability and proof are entirely 2 different phenomena.

Neil Says:
June 20th, 2005 at 11:16 pm
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Natalee’s mom approach to Joran probably shut down any possibility of anything but a defensive response.

She was understandably highly emotional state, and the best I can say it, was she probably was throwing a tantrum. Anyone around her who felt accused would likely respond negatively, and that is exactly what Joran and family probably did.

Too bad the police did not take Joran in right on the spot to interview him without Natalies family present.

All this hatred and venom is not good.

Neil Says:
June 21st, 2005 at 12:44 am
Bham

The incident that made Beth say Joran was cold, etc. took place the early morning after Beth arrived in Aruba, maybe 24 hours after Natalie was last seen at C&C. So it was not a matter of three weeks of kindness.

I think Beth came on like gangbusters and the possibility of any further rational conversation ended right there. This is what I am referring to and not the three weeks of inadequate police work.

Mob hangings have more than once resulted in injustice, so we really need to let the justice system take its course, as plodding as it is. Maybe Joran is guilty of something, maybe not. There are many possibilities, and we can only speculate, so I think it is a little early to get out the rope, or to even take glee in imagining that Joran or his pals are suffering prison brutality.

I feel for Natalee’s family and friends; clearly their suffering is great. Prematurely lashing out serves no function. In time I think that whoever caused Natalee harm will receive what the Dutch legal system thinks is justice.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:30:40 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D
Sela Ward, ROLL TIDE!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:30:41 AM
GOOD NIGHT DF AND CHELS!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:30:50 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Okay, I have learned not to go to those psychic/prediction sites when it's dark cuz I get all creeped out and have to shut my blinds (cuz, you know, if you do that those spirits can't see you??? wth am i thinking sometimes)
Seriously, I call my dog over, and have to get my feet up on the chair when I go to those sites when it's dark

"I see dumb people"
I don't want to see dead people!


Okay, I REALLY Like you. I haven't been laughing so hard in awhile! lol


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: lainey on June 21, 2005, 02:31:18 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "PHS05"
check out my post on page 59...intresting thing I ran across..tell me what you guys think. You might have to translate some things on the site.


Some people on here have speculated about why Joran left those two friends on his site, when it seems likely he had a lot more previously.


His myspace site was new.  It says it was started on may 2nd, 2005.  Did it have more people on it before?  I did remember if I saw it before or not.  I knw one of the others that is now private was an older site and had alot of people on it.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:31:41 AM
thank you very much PHS. I was left there and I started to get scared.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:31:57 AM
::: shielding MIke:::

It's ok Mike, I have my 45..they will be nice now LMAO jk


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:32:17 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Good night all!!!  Off to bed!  See you in the morning!
Night DG good ta c ya!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:32:36 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
hey, those shoes are pretty comfy if you don't mind the eight pairs of socks you need to wear with them!
Those are mine from  (you may all pee yer pants laughing now) Dutch Dancing during our Tulip Time parade thing we do here in May...
I painted them afterwards


lol You are killing me!

Um, don't wanna post my whole last name  :wink:  Have you heard of "Huss"?


are you telling us you are a HUSSY?  :wink:
R U?  :o


Nooooo lmao  :oops:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: cnanplay on June 21, 2005, 02:33:10 AM
This is my first post on any website but I've been "lurking" (is that the right word) several Natalie forums for days..like being hip-no-tised! Anyway, I've read posts from several people living in Aruba but I've never seen a post by any of Jordin's friends...I mean, if he had so many friends, wouldn't even one of them be advocating for him somewhere?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: PHS05 on June 21, 2005, 02:33:15 AM
It's ok Kerin!  :D

I dunno about the MySpace...I figured it was new and that is the reason why it was taken down. ...During may 2nd..that is rather new. Does anyone know if you can search people haveing Joran as a friend? O_o

Just wondering?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:33:25 AM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
It was a nice forum tonight. I usually just read but sometimes can't resist the urge to join in. Have a Good nite all. I'm fixin to go to bed so I can get up with the chickens.   :lol:
Night!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:34:41 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
uhhh.....excuse me...but am I still in time out?
Can you ack right?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:36:16 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Okay, I have learned not to go to those psychic/prediction sites when it's dark cuz I get all creeped out and have to shut my blinds (cuz, you know, if you do that those spirits can't see you??? wth am i thinking sometimes)
Seriously, I call my dog over, and have to get my feet up on the chair when I go to those sites when it's dark

"I see dumb people"
I don't want to see dead people!


Okay, I REALLY Like you. I haven't been laughing so hard in awhile! lol


I have four boys (5 with hubby), the youngest of which is just 3 months so I am a bit sleep deprived and slap-happy most of the time.  And then when they are all sleeping and I should be sleeping, I can't so though I may seem insane, I'm really not.  :shock:  I just got so into this case...


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
Quote from: "cnanplay"
This is my first post on any website but I've been "lurking" (is that the right word) several Natalie forums for days..like being hip-no-tised! Anyway, I've read posts from several people living in Aruba but I've never seen a post by any of Jordin's friends...I mean, if he had so many friends, wouldn't even one of them be advocating for him somewhere?


Actually one did, Arina. I think she wrote Dan at http://www.Rhielworld.com he also interviewed a former friend of his...I think http://www.planethuff.com/darkside might have the Arina letter...My papers are a mess! lol Iknow they both have info though  :wink:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: lainey on June 21, 2005, 02:38:38 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D


What about ELVIS????.....oh well I don't know if he was too bright but that man could sang...hehe


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:38:45 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Okay, I have learned not to go to those psychic/prediction sites when it's dark cuz I get all creeped out and have to shut my blinds (cuz, you know, if you do that those spirits can't see you??? wth am i thinking sometimes)
Seriously, I call my dog over, and have to get my feet up on the chair when I go to those sites when it's dark

"I see dumb people"
I don't want to see dead people!


Okay, I REALLY Like you. I haven't been laughing so hard in awhile! lol


I have four boys (5 with hubby), the youngest of which is just 3 months so I am a bit sleep deprived and slap-happy most of the time.  And then when they are all sleeping and I should be sleeping, I can't so though I may seem insane, I'm really not.  :shock:  I just got so into this case...


Me too, about the case part! lol

I can't handle more than one kid! WOw I have to give you credit!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Lausa on June 21, 2005, 02:39:05 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D

Sorry you can't claim Jimmy Buffett...he's a Mobilian!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:39:15 AM
There is a saying in the South that I have heard used by moms who, in my experience, are THE most fierce and protective mothers. It is used when they are talking about anyone who is "messin" with their children..
I am gonna kick a** and take names! First time I heard that I was like, huh??


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: "cnanplay"
This is my first post on any website but I've been "lurking" (is that the right word) several Natalie forums for days..like being hip-no-tised! Anyway, I've read posts from several people living in Aruba but I've never seen a post by any of Jordin's friends...I mean, if he had so many friends, wouldn't even one of them be advocating for him somewhere?
You may see em and not know it!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:39:40 AM
that should be http://www.riehlworldview.com  she's sleepy  :lol:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:39:43 AM
Quote from: "cnanplay"
This is my first post on any website but I've been "lurking" (is that the right word) several Natalie forums for days..like being hip-no-tised! Anyway, I've read posts from several people living in Aruba but I've never seen a post by any of Jordin's friends...I mean, if he had so many friends, wouldn't even one of them be advocating for him somewhere?

Welcome cnanplay. Like Caligirl said, at least one has tried to come to his defense, but at this point, if he really is their friend, it would probably be in his and their interest that they keep quiet.,


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:40:14 AM
Quote from: "PHS05"
It's ok Kerin!  :D

I dunno about the MySpace...I figured it was new and that is the reason why it was taken down. ...During may 2nd..that is rather new. Does anyone know if you can search people haveing Joran as a friend? O_o

Just wondering?


Kerin can answer this too but I believe when you add a friend and vice versa they show up on the site.

So he's down to only two friends and only those two friends having him on there.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:40:14 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
uhhh.....excuse me...but am I still in time out?
Can you ack right?


NO!!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:41:06 AM
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Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D

Sorry you can't claim Jimmy Buffett...he's a Mobilian!
no, he was born and raised in Pascagoula!!!  Check it out


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 21, 2005, 02:41:21 AM
yeah, I just dress them all up like Amish kids so no one thinks it's weird to have this many kids....
I'm so sneaky.

BTW, I  think the hand symbols in Joran's pics could be like a sign of whether you belong to the roofie-user gang.... Just a thought.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:41:28 AM
Quote from: "Lausa"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D

Sorry you can't claim Jimmy Buffett...he's a Mobilian!
Tellum boutit!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:41:30 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Mississippians may be as bright as a blackout....but we sure are doing something right..... Brett Favre, Faith Hill, Jimmy Buffet, William Faulkner, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, BB King, Sela Ward...and the list goes on..... :D


Well in Wisconsin we have... ummmm... Laverne & Shirley, Fonzie and Richie, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Gein...  :shock:


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:41:44 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
that should be http://www.riehlworldview.com  she's sleepy  :lol:


Thank you waiting! lol Yes, I am..more like I see the screen everywhere I go.. think I burnt my brain out!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:42:51 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
yeah, I just dress them all up like Amish kids so no one thinks it's weird to have this many kids....
I'm so sneaky.

BTW, I  think the hand symbols in Joran's pics could be like a sign of whether you belong to the roofie-user gang.... Just a thought.


:::spitting out her water::: LMAO


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:42:58 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
yeah, I just dress them all up like Amish kids so no one thinks it's weird to have this many kids....
I'm so sneaky.

BTW, I  think the hand symbols in Joran's pics could be like a sign of whether you belong to the roofie-user gang.... Just a thought.

LMAO @ Amish kids comment...you're cracking me up :)

About the hand signs, I don't think there's too much to be read into that...it's just kids trying to look 'cool'. Kind of a 'what's up homeys' sign more than anything else.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:43:48 AM
Mike...you are VERY quiet tonite!  :?


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:44:05 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PHS05"
It's ok Kerin!  :D

I dunno about the MySpace...I figured it was new and that is the reason why it was taken down. ...During may 2nd..that is rather new. Does anyone know if you can search people haveing Joran as a friend? O_o

Just wondering?


Kerin can answer this too but I believe when you add a friend and vice versa they show up on the site.

So he's down to only two friends and only those two friends having him on there.


I wuddnt speck to have no friends niether iffin I wuz Urine Van Douche!


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:44:51 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PHS05"
It's ok Kerin!  :D

I dunno about the MySpace...I figured it was new and that is the reason why it was taken down. ...During may 2nd..that is rather new. Does anyone know if you can search people haveing Joran as a friend? O_o

Just wondering?


Kerin can answer this too but I believe when you add a friend and vice versa they show up on the site.

So he's down to only two friends and only those two friends having him on there.


right. On myspace it appears he cleared his history and left 2 friends. (he DID have more) The only way anyone would now be able to post to that site would be if he (Joran) accepted their invitation to post as a friend. Right now he only has Edwean and Jaime and that's why you only see their posts, if I recall. Each posting community is a bit different. Tickle does not register dates/times of posts but myspace does, etc.


Title: RBN # 14 - 6/20/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 21, 2005, 02:45:30 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
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