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Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 06:11:52 AM
A new thread for news and discussions.

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A gentle reminder, that at times we get heated and angry over something we read. Perhaps something someone else says. When you feel yourself typing out things you would "never say to a person if they were standing in front of you", well.. that is the time to step away.

Get a coffee, watch some TV, hug your hubby/wife, take a walk, take a shower.... take a break. Go watch the sunset.

This is a highly emotional issue that has dragged on for weeks (and might go for weeks more).

Remember, we are all real people with real feelings. Sometimes, when we type out "words" they aren't taken in the same context that we meant them.

Give others the same latitude you would like them to give you. Don't assume the worst, look for how that person could have meant something other than the worst.

Life's too short. We are not lost... our loved ones know where we are.

Be thankful.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 06:14:54 AM
Good morning everyone!  I'm off to work... will check in as often as I can.

Play nice, boys and girls!   :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 06:33:31 AM
Someone asked on #14 about this group...

The missing girl's uncle, Paul Reynolds, told Court TV Monday that the family has contracted the Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team to carrying out a search of the island.

New search methods
"They are going to help us search for Natalee in ways we couldn't before," Reynolds said without offering details.

Texas EquuSearch, made up of volunteers, said on its Web site that a team is traveling to Aruba this week

from
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 06:34:28 AM
obviously this has not escaped everyone's notice, but it seems to me that deepak is the linchpin in all of this.

he was driving, he knows jaron and steve croes, he worked at the internet cafe. his co-worker declined to comment on his character. he was lounging against the car with joran when natalee's family came to the vds house. these few things we know with a degree of certainty.

i continue to wonder how joran got home if he was not with the kalpoes

unlike joran, deepak had his brother, satish, to concoct and rehearse  his story at home. no email, no telephone, no sms necessary. they lived together. joran is the odd man out in all of this and obviously if either one or both of the kalpoes were not involved they would have told their story, the true story and that would have been that.  could satish be involved or that he knows too much and needs to be held until the culprits can be indicted.

like all of you, i remain mystified why nothing more has come out about this deepak or his family.   :roll:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 06:52:57 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
obviously this has not escaped everyone's notice, but it seems to me that deepak is the linchpin in all of this.

he was driving, he knows jaron and steve croes, he worked at the internet cafe. his co-worker declined to comment on his character. he was lounging against the car with joran when natalee's family came to the vds house. these few things we know with a degree of certainty.

i continue to wonder how joran got home if he was not with the kalpoes

unlike joran, deepak had his brother, satish, to concoct and rehearse  his story at home. no email, no telephone, no sms necessary. they lived together. joran is the odd man out in all of this and obviously if either one or both of the kalpoes were not involved they would have told their story, the true story and that would have been that.  could satish be involved or that he knows too much and needs to be held until the culprits can be indicted.

like all of you, i remain mystified why nothing more has come out about this deepak or his family.   :roll:


according to joran, deepak came back to the HI and picked him up an hour or so later. no doubt someone is talking and steve croes would nt have been arrested unless it was on the words on one of the other three...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 06:53:57 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
like all of you, i remain mystified why nothing more has come out about this deepak or his family.   :roll:


Morning...

Can you say "coverup"?  It is the one theme that pervades this entire mystery.   From Papa VDS, to the LE, to the "suspects"....it can be found in every single aspect of this case to date.

I simply cannot understand why there is NEVER anything written or said about Deepak's family.  How does that even happen in a crime that is being watched and followed by a majority of the planet????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 06:54:46 AM
i thought that the tattoo only went out on wed, fri, and sat.. last night someone on fox kinda indicated that it might have been out on sun.. that does nt make sense...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 06:57:44 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
i thought that the tattoo only went out on wed, fri, and sat.. last night someone on fox kinda indicated that it might have been out on sun.. that does nt make sense...


I don't know about that, but hasn't it generally been suggested that SGC wouldn't have taken the cruiser, but rather one of the smaller boats used to ferry people to it?   (That is, if he did anything at all!)  Probably no one would ever have noticed him in a smaller boat.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 06:57:46 AM
I'm not so sure Deepak is the central figure - after Greta's conversation last night where the Diario guy slipped and said the following -- that "Joran contacted Croes that night because Deepak knew him"  -- here's what I was mulling over while my teen had her computer time last night:

Joran and Nat really were left alone and something bad happened.  Joran panicked and called Deepak, making it his problem as well. Upon arrival or merely after hearing the circumstances, Deepak suggested contacting his buddy Croes to help out.  

Of course that could be all wrong, but the Diario guy did say the words "Joran contacted Croes."  Which leads me to believe that it was the cell phone records that brought Croes into the picture, for certain. Sorry if this has been determined already but I'm one entire thread behind after being kicked off the computer last night.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 06:58:45 AM
afternoon here but greetings....

pine, at this point i wouldn't confuse news embargo with cover-up.  

rob, i hadn't heard the latest on joran saying that deepak had returned. but i wonder who dropped croes name? you're right nothing seems to make sense. can they all be so callous as to think that if natalee is not found their problem goes away?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:02:50 AM
if that's the case Lil - then wouldn't deepak and croes drop joran in it? and satish says i don't know, i wasn't there?

could they all have been so stupid as to think (or not think) that not going to a hospital would not be the best solution?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:04:45 AM
I wasn't here last night - what exactly is the latest scoop on Poppa VDS?  Is he still officially suspended?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 07:10:40 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
afternoon here but greetings....

pine, at this point i wouldn't confuse news embargo with cover-up.  

rob, i hadn't heard the latest on joran saying that deepak had returned. but i wonder who dropped croes name? you're right nothing seems to make sense. can they all be so callous as to think that if natalee is not found their problem goes away?


thay was part of deepaks orignial story.. he dropped off jvds and natalee, at the marrott and was called back like an hour or an hour and a half later....he picked up only joran...im almost postive that the tattoo does not go out on sun.. there s no way.. not enough ppl to make it worth it on a sunday.. so if s.croes is involved he was either already there or was called...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:11:31 AM
that's the latest, pine and i think it's safe to assume that his career in jurisprudence is in the toilet but who knows.

there was also a report in one of the local (to the antilles) papers that one of the inmates had attempted suicide and was under watch. no identity disclosed.

apparently the twitty/holloway family have engage a PI and lawyer and according to FOX this am at least in part that is to gain access to the police records. the judge has said he will not rule on any such suit until there is an indictment in the case.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160168,00.html


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
if that's the case Lil - then wouldn't deepak and croes drop joran in it? and satish says i don't know, i wasn't there?

could they all have been so stupid as to think (or not think) that not going to a hospital would not be the best solution?


Well, Deepak might have been responsible for procuring drugs if they were involved, or did go to help and suggested contacting Croes, which  makes him equally responsible for Nat's disappearance.  From Fox reports with various sources, wasn't it said that Satish is potentially expected to be released?

ITA about them going to a hospital, unless it was too late. However, once the decision not to was made - if it was, just going with a scenario of course and praying that Natalee is still in perfect physical health - then all three become equally responsible, yes?

His family seemed wealthy enough last night during the Greta interview. Father a businessman, the house wasn't shabby....so I'm not buying that the Kalpoe's were/are the ringleaders for a money reason.  Especially after the Diario guy specifically said Joran contacted Croes.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:16:32 AM
thanks, Rob.

phone records and other telecommunications methods should help. fortunately there is only one provider on the island - owned by the govt, so access to the records in a criminal investigation should be a no-brainer.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:16:34 AM
Thanks for the update.

I can't see where VDS (pops) could possibly continue his career now that so many locals have claimed to see him with his underage son gambling and drinking in the casinos; i.e., breaking the law.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Texas EquuSearch there.  Wonder how this will go with LE.  Surely there has been communication between the two?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nitjus4fun on June 21, 2005, 07:17:45 AM
Anyone know if the Boat DJ that was arrested had access to the boat all the time?? Possible with a set of keys to allow for burial of a body off the coast. For that matter, could have been to transport her to a different location in South America?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:19:50 AM
Quote from: "nitjus4fun"
Anyone know if the Boat DJ that was arrested had access to the boat all the time?? Possible with a set of keys to allow for burial of a body off the coast. For that matter, could have been to transport her to a different location in South America?


His boss, immediately after he was arrested, seemed to think he could not have taken the boat out alone...something about the electronics on it.  I don't have a clue where I read that - most likely here in an earlier thread.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:20:25 AM
Lil - i agree and definitely accessories after the fact and whoever supplied if in fact that is the case and can be established.

this whole thing is a horrible mess.  :(


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:23:32 AM
Morning everyone.. I have Fox news on.. and a reporter said they will be talking to NH Uncle in an hour or so..Sorry if this was repeated already!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:24:01 AM
but the theory of taking a dinghy type boat out is not beyond the realm of possibility.

i don't know what they use, but something was mentioned about smaller boats they use to ferry passengers to and from the larger boat. but why would croes do that? supplying drugs is one thing, but what we're talking about is .... way beyond that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:25:21 AM
hes on now.. oops


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:28:09 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
but the theory of taking a dinghy type boat out is not beyond the realm of possibility.

i don't know what they use, but something was mentioned about smaller boats they use to ferry passengers to and from the larger boat. but why would croes do that? supplying drugs is one thing, but what we're talking about is .... way beyond that.


Well, how about this:  (And it's my first theory, so go easy...)  Joran and the brothers buy the date rape drug from Steve.  Because of the alcohol in her system, the effects are far more than intended...she passes out; the boys freak...call Steve (he's the EMT after all)...Steve can't revive her.  Joran calls Dad and he suggests taking the body out to sea and pays Steve to do it, as he's the only one with access to a boat.

This explains a couple of middle of the night phone calls someone mentioned.

(Jeez....it didn't even feel good to write that!)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nitjus4fun on June 21, 2005, 07:28:28 AM
Just another thought on the party boat....  If this is located at a marina, is there any video from that night. Also wonder if the boat has a 'ding-e'(small boat used for emergancy).  Another thought is if this is at some type of marina, the DJ likely had access to other boats there. My guess would be he was well know(like most DJ's) and might have usage of someone elses boat as trade for Tatoo trips and hook ups with guests.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nitjus4fun on June 21, 2005, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
hes on now.. oops


Updates would be appreciated. Stuck at work and can't watch....
Thanks


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 07:30:12 AM
this steve isn't the EMT guy.........

if anyone see the fox news interview with the uncle....pls post details...thanks


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:31:25 AM
Quote from: "air23ac"
this steve isn't the EMT guy.........



Is he only a DJ then?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:31:29 AM
Quote from: "nitjus4fun"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
hes on now.. oops


Updates would be appreciated. Stuck at work and can't watch....
Thanks


The Uncle..Paul Reynolds said a search team from Texas will be arriving in Aruba tonight.. 17 searchers and 3 dogs.. he said they have a very high success rate in finding missing persons. Also The NH family is filing a law suit..they want access to records with the evidence.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
obviously this has not escaped everyone's notice, but it seems to me that deepak is the linchpin in all of this.

he was driving, he knows jaron and steve croes, he worked at the internet cafe. his co-worker declined to comment on his character. he was lounging against the car with joran when natalee's family came to the vds house. these few things we know with a degree of certainty.

i continue to wonder how joran got home if he was not with the kalpoes

unlike joran, deepak had his brother, satish, to concoct and rehearse  his story at home. no email, no telephone, no sms necessary. they lived together. joran is the odd man out in all of this and obviously if either one or both of the kalpoes were not involved they would have told their story, the true story and that would have been that.  could satish be involved or that he knows too much and needs to be held until the culprits can be indicted.

like all of you, i remain mystified why nothing more has come out about this deepak or his family.   :roll:


mojo - it was Satish who was leaning against the car with JdvS when the Holloways stopped by.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 07:33:25 AM
from what i understand, there are 2 steve croes........one is this person currently incarcerated, the other is an emt(someone found his book review on amazon or somewhere i think).


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:34:04 AM
it's been established that this steve is NOT the EMT.

if he did sell/supply drugs to one or all, then they might just have called him to see what to do, does this happen, will she revive etc. that may have been his part in this story.  the problem of course with so many illegal substances is that no one really knows about dosage, side affects etc.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nitjus4fun on June 21, 2005, 07:34:07 AM
'Also The NH family is filing a law suit..they want access to records with the evidence.'

Has the family hired an Attorney in Aruba for law suits and such. Just wonder what legal system they file with. I wouldn't think a lawsuit would do much good when fighting with goverment procedures in another country.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:35:28 AM
Here's the link for the group from Texas...

http://www.texasequusearch.org

Donations are accepted.

Hope they "go in like a bunch of cowboys".


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:36:28 AM
Quote from: "nitjus4fun"
'Also The NH family is filing a law suit..they want access to records with the evidence.'

Has the family hired an Attorney in Aruba for law suits and such. Just wonder what legal system they file with. I wouldn't think a lawsuit would do much good when fighting with goverment procedures in another country.


About the law suit.. that was flashing at the bottom of the screen as the Uncle was speaking. He said this team from texas may even have different kinds of tools to use in a search then what the investigators in Aruba do..that its possible.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:37:35 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Here's the link for the group from Texas...

http://www.texasequusearch.org

Donations are accepted.

Hope they "go in like a bunch of cowboys".


Amen to that.. and thanks for the link. I could not remember the name of the search team.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
it's been established that this steve is NOT the EMT./quote]

Well, there ya go...blogs ARE self-correcting!

I knew there were 2 involved the other day, but wasn't here much yesterday.  Sorry.  

Still think though that Poppa made some kind of arrangements here to protect the kids.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 07:38:16 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
obviously this has not escaped everyone's notice, but it seems to me that deepak is the linchpin in all of this.

he was driving, he knows jaron and steve croes, he worked at the internet cafe. his co-worker declined to comment on his character. he was lounging against the car with joran when natalee's family came to the vds house. these few things we know with a degree of certainty.


Good morning everyone!
I dont know if I missed anything last night (kids had the puter), but was watching fox. I tend to agree with you on this. I think that with the investigation seeming to revolve around Joran, that it is possible he is the one talking. Deepak and his brother have each other, and if they came up with a story on their own can stick together without saying much until evidence proves they are lying. This might be why Jorans dad was desperate to see his son. To tell him to stop talking like we have all said before. It also might make sense why Jorans dad was questioned. They could easily say "Your son told us xyz". If the brothers arent talking then not much would come out about their family would it?just IMO anyway.
At this point though I can only hope there is alot more evidence then we know about. Its soooo frustrating not knowing whats going on. I understand aruban law pretty much prevents much from being released. But sheesh I guess we are all spoiled by usually hearing evidence here in the states.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:39:51 AM
Morning momto5.. as well.. my son and hubby were hogging the puter last night!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 07:41:46 AM
Quote from: "nitjus4fun"
'Also The NH family is filing a law suit..they want access to records with the evidence.'

Has the family hired an Attorney in Aruba for law suits and such. Just wonder what legal system they file with. I wouldn't think a lawsuit would do much good when fighting with goverment procedures in another country.

Last night Beth Twitty said they hired an attorney to file a motion under aruban law.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:42:27 AM
thanks aaraba. i thought it was deepak. so scratch that part.  :oops:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 07:43:01 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Morning momto5.. as well.. my son and hubby were hogging the puter last night!!

Good morning!
Yes mine too. I guess they had every right after all I have been addicted and stuck here for 4 days.  :oops: I had to let them have some quality time with the computer lol!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:45:16 AM
I think it will be very interesting once this team from texas arrives..maybe they will make some headway..hopefully!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 07:50:00 AM
i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.


just a thought................but that said, i am glad they are going because i just want to see her found or recovered.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:51:03 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Morning momto5.. as well.. my son and hubby were hogging the puter last night!!

Good morning!
Yes mine too. I guess they had every right after all I have been addicted and stuck here for 4 days.  :oops: I had to let them have some quality time with the computer lol!


lol.. I know what you mean.. I have been the same way ..besides having Fox news on constantly.. I read some about the search team in texas.. sounds interesting and seems they have been a part of alot of other searches. This whole thing is just so sad.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: cjm on June 21, 2005, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "mojo"
obviously this has not escaped everyone's notice, but it seems to me that deepak is the linchpin in all of this.

he was driving, he knows jaron and steve croes, he worked at the internet cafe. his co-worker declined to comment on his character. he was lounging against the car with joran when natalee's family came to the vds house. these few things we know with a degree of certainty.

i continue to wonder how joran got home if he was not with the kalpoes

unlike joran, deepak had his brother, satish, to concoct and rehearse  his story at home. no email, no telephone, no sms necessary. they lived together. joran is the odd man out in all of this and obviously if either one or both of the kalpoes were not involved they would have told their story, the true story and that would have been that.  could satish be involved or that he knows too much and needs to be held until the culprits can be indicted.

like all of you, i remain mystified why nothing more has come out about this deepak or his family.   :roll:


mojo - it was Satish who was leaning against the car with JdvS when the Holloways stopped by.


I think Joran's father took the Holloway family on a wild goose chase the night they went over to his house.

I think Joran was at home, and the father said he was at the casinos to give Joran and the brothers time to get their stories straight.  When that was done Joran called his dad's cell phone, and the dad took Natalee's family and the police back to the house.  That's why Satish was there.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:52:29 AM
Quote from: "air23ac"
i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.


just a thought................but that said, i am glad they are going because i just want to see her found or recovered.


Wow.. didnt even think about that! Lets hope that nobody gives them any BS.. NH Uncle said they were hired by the family.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:54:55 AM
CJM,,  I agree with you on that.. I think Joran was home too and daddy covered his butt. It dont make sense..!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 07:56:53 AM
at this point nothing will surprise me. i so was hoping for a happy ending.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 07:57:34 AM
"Wow.. didnt even think about that! Lets hope that nobody gives them any BS.. NH Uncle said they were hired by the family.[/quote]

There just HAD to be some communication among the TX group, NH's family, and local LE.   I don't believe an organized group like that could just enter and do their own thing.

All we need out of this now is an international "incident".


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 07:59:09 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
at this point nothing will surprise me. i so was hoping for a happy ending.


Same here..and hopefully there will be a happy ending to this all. I cant even imagine how NH parents feel.. her family and friends. Also if she is indeed alive what the poor girl is going through herself.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:02:07 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
"Wow.. didnt even think about that! Lets hope that nobody gives them any BS.. NH Uncle said they were hired by the family.


There just HAD to be some communication among the TX group, NH's family, and local LE.   I don't believe an organized group like that could just enter and do their own thing.

All we need out of this now is an international "incident".[/quote]

NH Uncle..Paul Reynolds was on Fox about 30 minutes ago.. he said the Texas team was indeed hired by the family. Also..when he was speaking.. underneath it said NH parents want to file a law suit and wants acess to records. I have FOx on now.. and nothing more is being said.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:05:00 AM
There was just a short news brief on FOX.. basically all that I have said already.. the parents want to file a law suit to have access to all records that have been obtained so far in this.


Title: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: floridamom on June 21, 2005, 08:05:17 AM
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:07:39 AM
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Good morning Floridamom..I too lutekd for weeks and finally joined yesterday.. I read alot the last few weeks. Im not sure if he rented out kayaks on the beach or not.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 08:08:41 AM
Natalee's photo is on the front page of AweMainta today. looks as though it's a fairly extensive spread. this will take time for all our translators?


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 08:11:00 AM
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!

Hi floridamom and welcome!
Yes it has been mentioned that they ferry passengers back and forth to the tattoo. Croes would possibly have access to a smaller boat if that is the case and if he is involved. Itll be interesting to find out exactly how he is involved. I think it was said though he either overheard something or was told something? Thing is they did hold him which leads me to believe he was more involved. Its hard to say really since aruban law prevents us from knowing much as it would hurt their case.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:12:17 AM
fox news on saying parents are hiring an Aruban attorney to gather records in evidence that was collected..such a law suit may not be heard by the judge until suspects are formally charged and could take awhile.
Search team bringing high tech sonar...Judge ruled polcie have enough evidence to hold Steve Croes...(think thst old news tho)..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 08:12:56 AM
Quote from: "air23ac"
i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.


just a thought................but that said, i am glad they are going because i just want to see her found or recovered.

I would think they know they are coming. Its on the news which means it isnt a secret. Also Natalees family has by all accounts searching on their own everyday. I would think as long as they didnt impede on the investigation or leak any evidence they might find itll be ok. They are simply there to help the family, not the investigation IMO.


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Hi floridamom! I'm fairly new, too, but thinking along the same lines.  That psychic post (not Brian, but the one linked yesterday by someone here) is really frightening - it was dated 6/4 and said there was a boat, blue in color, involved because Joran called the boat person for help and lots of other details. Not saying it's true, just that it's weird to see a boat person come into the story and via what seems to be a phone call, if you believe the Diario reporter on Greta last night - Joran contacted Croes.  But if that is the case, I'd bet Croes has access to a smaller boat because it's hard to believe anyone would jeopardize their employment by stealing their bosses boat unless they were somehow going to be implicated in the first place.


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: north-of-north on June 21, 2005, 08:17:23 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Good morning Floridamom..I too lutekd for weeks and finally joined yesterday.. I read alot the last few weeks. Im not sure if he rented out kayaks on the beach or not.



Hi!
I am a lurker mom here in MN. But I have been reading tons...
I did see something about kayaks some time back.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:19:24 AM
I even hate to say this because I like to think positive.. but if there was a boat operated by this Croes fellow.. and he did something with her..and the police know this.. wouldnt you think they would recover a body by now and not put the poor family thru pure hell? Just a thought..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 08:19:27 AM
Good morning all.  I have grown weary of the email error message that makes people think they need to post multiple times.  Ergo,  I have downloaded the source code and will try two fix it.
Even
I'm wanting to generate the error once, then send a fix to Tom.

Hopefully I will receive the error on my first try.  I will hate to send multiple "good morning" messages.  for a good cause.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 08:19:57 AM
i don't think we will see an incident so to speak.....if anything i was thinking the "cold shoulder" type treatment............i am sure aruban authorities aren't happy about this.

personally i don't care how/who breaks this mystery. i wonder what effect this sonar will have


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:20:16 AM
Quote from: "north-of-north"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Good morning Floridamom..I too lutekd for weeks and finally joined yesterday.. I read alot the last few weeks. Im not sure if he rented out kayaks on the beach or not.


Good morning North to North...

Hi!
I am a lurker mom here in MN. But I have been reading tons...
I did see something about kayaks some time back.


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: "north-of-north"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Good morning Floridamom..I too lutekd for weeks and finally joined yesterday.. I read alot the last few weeks. Im not sure if he rented out kayaks on the beach or not.



Hi!
I am a lurker mom here in MN. But I have been reading tons...
I did see something about kayaks some time back.

Hi north of north and welcome!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: "air23ac"
i don't think we will see an incident so to speak.....if anything i was thinking the "cold shoulder" type treatment............i am sure aruban authorities aren't happy about this.

personally i don't care how/who breaks this mystery. i wonder what effect this sonar will have


ON fox it was said the high tech sonar is used to search water.. :cry:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
but the theory of taking a dinghy type boat out is not beyond the realm of possibility.

i don't know what they use, but something was mentioned about smaller boats they use to ferry passengers to and from the larger boat. but why would croes do that? supplying drugs is one thing, but what we're talking about is .... way beyond that.


 smaller boats are used for ferrying passengers to the tattoo..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:24:49 AM
BRb... need to go through some laundry in.. at least I will feel I accomplished something while sitting here reading and typing!!


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 08:25:19 AM
"Hi floridamom! I'm fairly new, too, but thinking along the same lines.  That psychic post (not Brian, but the one linked yesterday by someone here) is really frightening - it was dated 6/4 and said there was a boat, blue in color, involved because Joran called the boat person for help and lots of other details. [/quote]

I thought there was a place here for "Predictions" but now I don't see it.  Can you please tell me more about this?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:25:30 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
but the theory of taking a dinghy type boat out is not beyond the realm of possibility.

i don't know what they use, but something was mentioned about smaller boats they use to ferry passengers to and from the larger boat. but why would croes do that? supplying drugs is one thing, but what we're talking about is .... way beyond that.


 smaller boats are used for ferrying passengers to the tattoo..


Morning Rob.. I see I dont live far from you..lol


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I even hate to say this because I like to think positive.. but if there was a boat operated by this Croes fellow.. and he did something with her..and the police know this.. wouldnt you think they would recover a body by now and not put the poor family thru pure hell? Just a thought..

Yes I am sure they would like to recover any remains if that is the case. But if none of the suspects are giving up a location I dont think they will go searching aimlessly. It is an island with tons of water, and would be near impossible Im sure to just look without a location.
It is odd they havent launched more searches. It makes me wonder exactly what evidence they have?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 08:25:56 AM
hey angie, got a quick question for you since you are watching fox.....when will this search team actually start their work?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sandy on June 21, 2005, 08:26:45 AM
All I can say is that 3 plus weeks on looking for a body in the ocean would be like looking for a needle in a haystack - with or withou a sonar equipped boat.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
but the theory of taking a dinghy type boat out is not beyond the realm of possibility.

i don't know what they use, but something was mentioned about smaller boats they use to ferry passengers to and from the larger boat. but why would croes do that? supplying drugs is one thing, but what we're talking about is .... way beyond that.


 smaller boats are used for ferrying passengers to the tattoo..


Morning Rob.. I see I dont live far from you..lol


good morning, i do indeed know where jeanette is...


Title: Re: Tattoo boat doesn't dock
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 21, 2005, 08:27:28 AM
Quote from: "north-of-north"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "floridamom"
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for weeks, and a little shy. I also didn't have much to add to the discussion. I found it interesting on Greta's show last night that he said the Tattoo doesn't dock, but instead the passengers are ferried out to it for the cruises. I'm sorry if this has been touched on already. It made sense at that point that Croes very likely did have access to smaller boats. Also, didn't one of the Aruban posters say that he had rented kayaks on the beach for a time? I think it is highly likely that his involvement was in disposing of the body (God forbid) :? . Thanks for listening!


Good morning Floridamom..I too lutekd for weeks and finally joined yesterday.. I read alot the last few weeks. Im not sure if he rented out kayaks on the beach or not.



Hi!
I am a lurker mom here in MN. But I have been reading tons...
I did see something about kayaks some time back.


One of the Aruban posters on this site who knows Steve Croes said he used to operate a kayak rental business.


Title: Thanks!
Post by: floridamom on June 21, 2005, 08:29:07 AM
Thanks for the welcome. The Aruban poster who knew SC was shocked to find that he had been arrested. She gave some background on him, and stated that he was a "beach boy", who spent all his time on the beach, and that he had a job renting kayaks. If that is the case, it would have probably been simple for him to gain access to a small boat/kayak.

I find it hard to believe he would do this willingly, and without something being held over his head, like a drug involvement or direct involvement. It is obviously not feasible that he took the Tattoo out to sea.

Dan Riehl has some interesting tidbits on his site today. Sorry, I was away last night, if they have already been discussed. Here's the link:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_2.html


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: north-of-north on June 21, 2005, 08:30:36 AM
Hi
And thanks for the welcome!
I have been on the computer for 45 min and 3 weeks reading. Just peeked out to say Hi.
That said... I need to go till my garden before a big storms hits! With that storm this computer may be off for a long time.
Maybe I will get something done around my house today!
Have a good day everyone...
I will be praying as I work in my garden.
take care!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:31:49 AM
Quote from: "air23ac"
hey angie, got a quick question for you since you are watching fox.....when will this search team actually start their work?


NH Uncle said the search team will arrive in Aruba tonight.. he didnt specify an exact time.


Title: Lawsuit and search
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: "north-of-north"
Hi
And thanks for the welcome!
I have been on the computer for 45 min and 3 weeks reading. Just peeked out to say Hi.
That said... I need to go till my garden before a big storms hits! With that storm this computer may be off for a long time.
Maybe I will get something done around my house today!
Have a good day everyone...
I will be praying as I work in my garden.
take care!


Have a good day. Nice meeting you.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 08:36:46 AM
morning all new and old.  i have fox on and just saw about the search team on its way.    but no news of Natalee???  
This is so sad.   I love this SM site but am like most tired of all the
waiting and hoping and praying.   Any good news???  did dj
taylor have baby?? that would give us a smile right??


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


On Fox news it was said that this wont even make it to the judge until the suspects are formally charged.


Title: Why is this story being covered like no other disappearance
Post by: Hubmd on June 21, 2005, 08:38:59 AM
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:39:13 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
morning all new and old.  i have fox on and just saw about the search team on its way.    but no news of Natalee???  
This is so sad.   I love this SM site but am like most tired of all the
waiting and hoping and praying.   Any good news???  did dj
taylor have baby?? that would give us a smile right??


Morning friend. Really no new news other then the search team arriving in Aruba sometime tonight and the family wanting to file a law suit to gain access in records.. Thats all I have heard this morning so far. I have FOX news on in the other room.


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.

Thank you..God Bless.  I am sure this is a hard time for everyone in Aruba as well.


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


tv (think cnn) this morning describing their motion is to join the prosecution as a victims rep to gain more access to the process.  they say this is automatic in the dutch system.  is that true?


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.

Hi hubmd and welcome! There are a couple of other arubans also on this board and we welcome your opinions and insight!
I believe the reason this case has captivated our attention is that Natalee could be anyones daughter. Personally, I have a 16 yr old daughter myself, and I also have had a son abducted. That is why I am interested in helping find this young lady. I know the devastation a missing child can cause and how horrible it feels.
CNN and Fox will continue running reports as long as Americans are interested and ask them to. I dont think there is any hidden agenda aside from high rating for their network.
Thanks for letting us know about the boys mother. We had wondered why she hadnt been speaking or anything. It is understandable to not want the attention though. Again welcome  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: festa on June 21, 2005, 08:46:33 AM
Good morning everyone.  Usually just "lurking" but very curious about "rumors" that have been posted that I have not seen updated.  Sorry if this a repeat.  Regarding one of the suspects supposedly attempting suicide, was there anymore to this rumor and if so could it have been Joran and that is why he is not being moved to the prison.  Also, what about the story reported on FOX (i know lol we should suspect misinformation right away) with I believe a reporter regarding following a car in Venezuela...yadayadaya.... He just pull that out of the air?..... what's up????


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:46:52 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.

Hi hubmd and welcome! There are a couple of other arubans also on this board and we welcome your opinions and insight!
I believe the reason this case has captivated our attention is that Natalee could be anyones daughter. Personally, I have a 16 yr old daughter myself, and I also have had a son abducted. That is why I am interested in helping find this young lady. I know the devastation a missing child can cause and how horrible it feels.
CNN and Fox will continue running reports as long as Americans are interested and ask them to. I dont think there is any hidden agenda aside from high rating for their network.
Thanks for letting us know about the boys mother. We had wondered why she hadnt been speaking or anything. It is understandable to not want the attention though. Again welcome  :D


How is the boys mother holding out??? She is a mother as well and I am sure she is going through her own hell right now as well.


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 08:47:19 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.


So if a case goes on for years, under Dutch law the family will never gain access to any records at all???  For years?  If the person/body is never recovered, the case can't be closed, or can it?  

Someone must know something; the family hired an Aruban lawyer, and she certainly would have told them this.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: "festa"
Good morning everyone.  Usually just "lurking" but very curious about "rumors" that have been posted that I have not seen updated.  Sorry if this a repeat.  Regarding one of the suspects supposedly attempting suicide, was there anymore to this rumor and if so could it have been Joran and that is why he is not being moved to the prison.  Also, what about the story reported on FOX (i know lol we should suspect misinformation right away) with I believe a reporter regarding following a car in Venezuela...yadayadaya.... He just pull that out of the air?..... what's up????


Morning Festa.. I myself havnt heard anymore about any of that!!


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 21, 2005, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


Bonjour Gerben. Comment ça va?

The searchers will need permission to search any private lands. Is the interior of the island mostly public or private property? I also wonder if the team is bringing in their own horses or using horses from the island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 08:51:25 AM
I dont' think there is a hidden agenda either.  

They are also covering the missing boy scout story.

Americans follow these stories.  We were glued to television for news of Elizabeth Smart.  

Some of us older ones watched Baby Jessica trapped in the well.


The people are interested so the networks cover.

Shows like America's Most Wanted are popular.

Why some missing persons provoke more of that national interest than others I don't know.

We are programmed to be interested because most of us know someone who has had a child taken.  It is that common, but most of the time it is a child custody problem.

We see missing kids faces on mild cartons and as we walk into Walmart.

So we feel so for the family and friends that we watch.  If we watch the networks sell commercials.  So they cover the stories.


I don't think there is any hidden agenda exept perhaps the newstaff really enjoy the free trips to Aruba they get from their bosses.



Welcome to the forums.

My heart breaks for all the mothers in this situation.


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: floridamom on June 21, 2005, 08:52:54 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.

Thank you..God Bless.  I am sure this is a hard time for everyone in Aruba as well.


Hello Hubmd! I agree with Momto5 and will add that for a lot of Americans, the fascination is the mystery element (whodunnit?). In America, details are released to the media (like throwing a bone to a pack of hungry dogs), and it allows the public to theorize and try to solve the case.  As long as the public demands it, the media will continue to report (even if there is nothing new) because of the ratings. Also, keeping the story in the media increases the likelihood that she will be found.

For me, I am interested because I grew up in the near vicinity of Mountain Brook and it makes the story more personal. I think that most Americans do not "blame" Aruba or Arubans for this tragedy. Please ignore the few bags of hot air that keep calling for a boycott (Dee Fine, etc.). These things unfortunately could happen anywhere, and quite often do in America. I could easily have been her 20 years ago.


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 08:53:02 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


excellent point, i dont see any info being released for aprox.3 more months....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I dont' think there is a hidden agenda either.  

They are also covering the missing boy scout story.

Americans follow these stories.  We were glued to television for news of Elizabeth Smart.  

Some of us older ones watched Baby Jessica trapped in the well.


The people are interested so the networks cover.

Shows like America's Most Wanted are popular.

Why some missing persons provoke more of that national interest than others I don't know.

We are programmed to be interested because most of us know someone who has had a child taken.  It is that common, but most of the time it is a child custody problem.

We see missing kids faces on mild cartons and as we walk into Walmart.

So we feel so for the family and friends that we watch.  If we watch the networks sell commercials.  So they cover the stories.


I don't think there is any hidden agenda exept perhaps the newstaff really enjoy the free trips to Aruba they get from their bosses.



Welcome to the forums.

My heart breaks for all the mothers in this situation.


Morning to you...Gosh I remember the baby jessica incident.. and I agree with everyhthng you said!!  Good post!


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 08:55:26 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.


sir the "agenda" here is to find natalee.....nothing more nothing less, thats the way we americans are, when someone goes missing we help to find them....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 08:55:32 AM
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 08:55:47 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
morning all new and old.  i have fox on and just saw about the search team on its way.    but no news of Natalee???  
This is so sad.   I love this SM site but am like most tired of all the
waiting and hoping and praying.   Any good news???  did dj
taylor have baby?? that would give us a smile right??


yes true....well tnx for asking but no not yet! Ive been checking in every couple ofhours "nothign yet??" so I sound liek the commercial! hahahah good news: her mother arrived from the islands to be w/ her, so thats good for the help.....ill let you know when ITS TIME LOL!


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


tv (think cnn) this morning describing their motion is to join the prosecution as a victims rep to gain more access to the process.  they say this is automatic in the dutch system.  is that true?


Yes, as a victim of a very serious crime, or surviving next of kin you have limited rights to be involved in the trialprocedures. You can get 'spreekrecht' the right to tell directly to the suspect how his criminal act has impacted your life. However, there are limitations to this, so Natalee's family must not set their hopes on complete access during trial.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 21, 2005, 08:57:48 AM
The Aruban newspapers are getting defensive, although I don't blame them. In today's AM Digital, there is a front-page story about an American caught smuggling drugs. There is also an article from Scripps News Service about the dangers of young Americans coming to the islands for beaches, booze and sex.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

.........


Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.


Good morning All, and welcome to the board Humbd. "We" welcome all Arubians with their insight and information on this case. I do not think that there is any "hidden agenda". there is nothing to be gained. And , as you say, in the long run, this should turn out to be a positive development, if I can use such a term in regards to this possible tragedy, for Aruba in that one would think they would be tightening up on the policing of their owns laws and regulations - such as the underaged in their clubs and casinos. Perhaps better monitoring of all such environments where tourists are "off guard" and relaxed.


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 09:03:06 AM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

.........


Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!


Well said, Paula--I think you just verbalized why this story is so compelling. Good morning, everyone!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:03:20 AM
Thanks for the baby update American.


If her mom is there I am sure they will doing more visiting than computering.

Keep us posted.


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

.........


Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!

i agree very well stated!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 09:03:42 AM
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:03:47 AM
Morning everyone........... ANy new news..watchin fox all last night until i fell asleep to it lol..... last night with greta was great! She really does a great job!!!  ANy updates on the confirmation on who "attempted suicide"......


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: goon squad on June 21, 2005, 09:04:19 AM
<<i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.>>


Imagine this sound bite:

"We brought in an elite search and recovery team to cover places that could not reached before.  But the Aruban government wouldn't let it do its job."

My guess: Texas EquuSearch will not be hassled.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Morning everyone........... ANy new news..watchin fox all last night until i fell asleep to it lol..... last night with greta was great! She really does a great job!!!  ANy updates on the confirmation on who "attempted suicide"......

Front page of scaredmonkeys says it was Joran but there is no confirmation.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:06:07 AM
The Texas group has worked internationally before.  The were in the tsunami searches, at least that is what I read.

I am sure they know how to work WITH the local authorities.


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

.........


Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!


Nice post, Paula..


Title: Re: Why is this story being covered like no other disappeara
Post by: Bill on June 21, 2005, 09:06:53 AM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I think this is receiving so much attention, because it's a compelling mystery.  How does an 18 year old girl dissappear without a trace in the space of four hours?  That it's your part of earth is simply happenstance.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 09:11:12 AM
thanks Rob and Gerben.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.

one thing i do respect about the dutch system is, that misinterpertations are few...the fact are the facts....
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 09:12:55 AM
Thanks, All; I had a feeling we were 'united' as to why she is everyone's daughter.

Gerben aka Pays Bas; thanks for such thoughtful and informative posts. Your appreciation and insight is appreciated and helpful.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.

TYVM for this information. I have been trying as much as I can to understand the laws in aruba since they are so diff then  here in our states.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mojo"
so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.



b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.


one thing i do respect about the dutch system is, that misinterpertations are few...the fact are the facts....




sorry gerban i wrote in your margin...


Title: update
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:14:02 AM
Good morning.  Still not confirmation on the suicide attempt or who it was.  Some experts have said Fox and the other cable outfits cover this stuff because it is cheap programming.  A talking head and a few paid "experts" and you got a show that can go on for hours and hours without ever stating a new fact and there is no fear of competition from the serious press so it is an exclusive.  The problem is if it goes on and on without resolution.  Then you face the dilemma of dropping the story like a hot rock whichh will happen as soon as something else comes up.  I wonder who the target audience is.  

Here is  the morning paper:    

http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am21jun05.pdf

Look at the comments on the latest monkeys update page Greta and Mrs. Twitty.  It discusses the interrogation of Joran at his house Tuesday AM by the Alabama posse that had to be broken up by police and an encounter during that dust up between Joran and Mrs. Twitty.  She denied it happened in an earlier interview and has now described in detail.  The  Twittys do not like Joran and his Dad.   There is some indication that the pro-active Alabama folks may have contaminated the investigation in their zeal to get to the botom of Natalees disappearance.  It would have been enough to identify Joran to the police.  Also note the Mr. v/d Sloot is a public prosecutor on Aruba.  Here are two I like:  
 
Neil Says:
June 20th, 2005 at 11:16 pm
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Natalee’s mom approach to Joran probably shut down any possibility of anything but a defensive response.

She was understandably highly emotional state, and the best I can say it, was she probably was throwing a tantrum. Anyone around her who felt accused would likely respond negatively, and that is exactly what Joran and family probably did.

Too bad the police did not take Joran in right on the spot to interview him without Natalies family present.

All this hatred and venom is not good.

Scott Says:
June 21st, 2005 at 1:42 am
As a professor of forensic psychology, i believe this case is unlikely to be solved by the Aruban police. They have obtained no forensic evidence that i am aware of. There is also no body to be found which, in most criminal cases, is the single most important piece of evidence to analyze/profile. Additionally, while an investigation is going on, you never, ever allow anyone related to a victim speak with a suspect. never, ever. With a skilled interrogator, i.e. the US FBI/Quantico contingent… you might still be able to get the truth from one of the three boys. But, the fact that there appears to be no evidence, weekens the position of interrogator considerably. From a purely psychological point of view based on statements made by all three parties (Van Der Sloot and the 2 brothers) that i have read, i would place the highest probability of guilt on J. Van Der Sloot. However, in a court of law, probability and proof are entirely 2 different phenomena.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:14:12 AM
Im sure everyone has seen this but i thought it was interesting and very happy that the family is really goin at the govt, or whoever it is that is in charge of allowin evidence to be seen!  They are her family, and deserve to know, obviously they are not going to talk to media about the evidence with there being a chance at that hurting the investigation and maybe causin the investigation to fail! So it hink its safe to let her poor family know!!!!!!!!!!

Holloway's Family Prepares Lawsuit to Demand Evidence

Tuesday, June 21, 2005
 

   
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The family of Natalee Holloway (search) moved to take matters in their own hands Monday, preparing a lawsuit to demand evidence in the case and hiring a Texas company to search for the 18-year-old, who vanished three weeks ago in Aruba.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 09:16:08 AM
Good Morning All,
 :lol:   anything new :?:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:17:19 AM
For absolut, if you're around - excellent work on your news feed. Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing it with others.


Title: Re: Lawsuit and search
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


tv (think cnn) this morning describing their motion is to join the prosecution as a victims rep to gain more access to the process.  they say this is automatic in the dutch system.  is that true?


Yes, as a victim of a very serious crime, or surviving next of kin you have limited rights to be involved in the trialprocedures. You can get 'spreekrecht' the right to tell directly to the suspect how his criminal act has impacted your life. However, there are limitations to this, so Natalee's family must not set their hopes on complete access during trial.


Perhaps the family think the authorities have information that could lead them in the direction of finding Natalee.  Maybe they would spend more time or money searching or hiring investigators to search, if they had some idea of where they put her.  By the time the trial is over, her body could be decomposed or she could have been moved many times and her trail lost.  After 3 weeks, people may begin to think the Aruba police aren't doing everything they can do to find her.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.>>


Imagine this sound bite:

"We brought in an elite search and recovery team to cover places that could not reached before.  But the Aruban government wouldn't let it do its job."

My guess: Texas EquuSearch will not be hassled.


Don't be so sure. Oddly enough there may not be horses involved with this team even if they are allowed to search.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 09:19:37 AM
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.


Title: aruban economy
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:19:58 AM
amigoe in english

Aruba extra vulnerable by dependency dollar economy

ARUBA – How autonomous can a country be, when it clings on to the dollar economy like grim death?  Is that indeed this advantageous when the economy of the United States ends up in a dropping trend?  During an international conference in the Holiday Inn of the FTA union, the Central Bank of Aruba, and the University of Aruba, Randall Dodd, manager of the Financial Policy Forum & Derivates Study Center in Washington clarified this some more.

“With a cheaper dollar, Aruba is an attractive tourist destination for Europeans.  However, when the mutual ratio of the exchange rates change, also the market changes, either for the better or for the worst”, said Dodd.  When the US is in a recession, less inhabitants of that country will go on vacation to foreign destinations.  By being completely dependent on the American tourist market, Aruba looses her flexibility.”  Dodd indicated that it is therefore very important for the Aruban policy makers to understand the economic trends of the US.  The housing sector is positive.  The real estate prices have never been this high.  Many mortgages are being refinanced.  The retail expenses have increased in the past years.  Also the operating profits have increased considerably after 2001.  The question is according to Dodd, whether this growth will continue and for how long.

At the same time he pointed out a few factors that give a more dejected image.  During the recession of 2001, the employment dropped drastically.  It’s true that it had recovered, but a growth is hardly perceptible.  Besides, the average time a person is unemployed has increased with 10 percent.  According to Dodd, the salaries show a dropping trend.  The car sales have dropped considerably after a short increase after September 11th, and the orders for long lasting products stayed behind.  A bad futuristic view can be derived from an increase of the stocks.  He also points out the vulnerability in the American economy by the growth of the government debt, which is currently already 80 percent of the Gross Domestic Product.  In Aruba this is 45 percent.  According to him, the American debt can continue to grow, but not for ever.  Another bad sign is that the consumer confidence in the US is dropping.  As vacation destination, Aruba can offer a few advantages.  Important is that Aruba is located close to the US.  We still have to take into account that Americans will travel less if the current trend continues.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 09:20:01 AM
that's a distressing analysis iquitos. i'm hoping scott's wrong.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:20:44 AM
iquitos, i think you have hit on something here... no body means basicily no conviction, hence the interrogation of father vd sloot...i think they are trying to figure out what happened to the body...hence the murder charges. i m  leaning to the possiblitiy that she may have been dumped at sea.. i hope im wrong...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
For absolut, if you're around - excellent work on your news feed. Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing it with others.


Thanks, I look forward to working with the "Monkeys" going forward with whatever direction this all leads. I hope you all do to.


Title: Please, just the facts ...
Post by: BarStine on June 21, 2005, 09:21:59 AM
So many theories abound...

Not much revelation...

I thinks the speculation needs to be simplified. There is not a great timeline of events of the evening and of her first day(s) missing(that we are clued in on). Speculation would need to be based on what three bonehead teens would do in a panic situation. I doubt if concealing a dead body(if thats what happened) was entirely masterminded and may have been done in a hurry.

Is it possible a body was recovered and it is highly secret? (I think this since Aruba LE is so tight lipped, that she could be in a holding freezer and autopsied already, just no concise confessions from detainees.  Then there are rumors of pending murder charges already, so why would they put the cart before the horse...)

My other train of thought is that she could have been taken off in a chain of custody but evidence and rumor we know so far seems weaker to point to that.

Was dads vehicle used to transport her?  Any sand, dirt, rocks, vegetation... recovered from impounded vehicles with clues as to where vehicles traveled?

This case is very tough for the armchair detective since nothing of major
import is revealed by investigators.


Title: Keep Up the PRESSURE Beth
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Im sure everyone has seen this but i thought it was interesting and very happy that the family is really goin at the govt, or whoever it is that is in charge of allowin evidence to be seen!  They are her family, and deserve to know, obviously they are not going to talk to media about the evidence with there being a chance at that hurting the investigation and maybe causin the investigation to fail! So it hink its safe to let her poor family know!!!!!!!!!!

I agree Kelly, IMHO if this family had not been so persistent, this case would have been swept under the rug.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.


Maybe like they said before she was in a VERY emotional state, liek any mother w/a lsot child, and she "attacked" joran for info and Joran just hit his chest and said that...maybe she accused him of somethign I dont see it as scary I jsut see it as someone being defensive...I do it al the time like when we loose soemthing at home and ofcourse eferyone asks me (the motehr) I put my hand to my chest and be like "ME???I never used that! you should know where you put it!" I thiknk its just a manner of speaking ....and the dutch have a way jsut like the italians they almost "talk" with their hands


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:22:53 AM
rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee! :roll:
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 09:22:54 AM
I did watch Greta last evening as per usual.  I enjoy following her reports just because she seems to be more logical in how she questions people.  Of course, with her being an attorney and coming from a family where legal matters were discussed around home doesn't hurt either.  I have followed her career for a long time.  She graduated from the same high school as my kids.  Her father was the judge we needed to go through for the adoption of our first child.  He handled many various types of cases over his many years on the bench, so I would suspect that Greta really does understand the system very well.  Even though the legal systems are a bit different.  I think her questions reflect her anticipated unfamiliarity of her listeners rather than her own.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 21, 2005, 09:23:58 AM
How is this team from Tx going to bring horses into Aruba? I would think it would not be easy to just bring animals in from one country to another (dogs, included as well).  Countrys have very strict rules about animals being brought in due to disease, etc


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:24:00 AM
BLueKyGirl- the mother met with joran recently? please tell


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee! :roll:
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....



this coffee is from trinidad....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.


This is not a slam, but this interview comes after 3 almost 4 weeks of total frustration. It's tone and accuracy may be more a reflection of that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:25:31 AM
From the first the family said that Joran took them to the Holiday Inn and showed them where he dropped of Natalee.

Or at least that is what I remember.  The mom said she had no conversatons with the father, but let her husband do the talking.

I don't think what she described with Joran is even a conversation, more of a confrontation.

I can tell you right now if MY daughter, and she is 28 not 18, turned up missing, and the guy she was last with was not helping me hunt her, then they could just arrest me, cause this old lady, at nearly 60, would be kicking the family jewels, pulling hair, biting, scratching, doing anyting else to him.  In fact, like the song says, the lights would go out in Georgia, they better hope I don't have a gun cause I would not miss.

I have told people my entire life that I am incapable of murder except in one situation.  My kids.  If anyone, and I mean anyone, hurt my kids, or is trying to hurt my kids, I would kill first and ask questions later.


I don't understand the tendency of people to blame Beth.

I guess the cultures are more different than I thought because American moms firght like tigers for our kids.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee! :roll:
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....



this coffee is from trinidad....


is that better than colombian????LOLFMOMIOMO!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.


Maybe like they said before she was in a VERY emotional state, liek any mother w/a lsot child, and she "attacked" joran for info and Joran just hit his chest and said that...maybe she accused him of somethign I dont see it as scary I jsut see it as someone being defensive...I do it al the time like when we loose soemthing at home and ofcourse eferyone asks me (the motehr) I put my hand to my chest and be like "ME???I never used that! you should know where you put it!" I thiknk its just a manner of speaking ....and the dutch have a way jsut like the italians they almost "talk" with their hands


Thanks--I wondered if it was a Dutch mannerism. I can see the scenario where Joran and his family felt defensive since Natalee's family showed up at their house in the middle of the night. I think Joren is guilty as sin, but I sort of feel sorry for him. I think he somehow got in this way over his head. I'd like to think whatever happened with Natalee was a terrible mistake, instead of an intentional act of cruelty.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee! :roll:
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....



this coffee is from trinidad....


is that better than colombian????LOLFMOMIOMO!!!


 it pretty darn good....but oily...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:27:40 AM
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:28:16 AM
I do not thinik that he was "bainging" his chest in a threatning way, as others have said i just think he is at the point of feelin worthless and backed in to a corner and doesnt know what to do..he is stuck and basically holding so much in that it is taking over him, he is really going to lose it soon


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting


Title: resources
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:30:44 AM
newspapers

http://www.bondia.com/

pdf still Monday's paper (in papiamento).  They ran the suicide attempt story on page 2 yesterday.  today's paper still not up

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/index.html

html in papiaamento sometimes updates same day news (in papiamento)  cnn has interviewed owner, yossi mansour.  thse guys placed the car following story with FOX.  

http://www.amigoe.com/  

Seems to be most serious of the three.  published in Curacao has in dutch, has english section with partial news  Does regular updates on Natalee case when developments merit.  have is missed any?   see aruba faqs on index for more info


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:30:59 AM
LOLFMOMIOMO



WHAt is that??hahahaha


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


Now that may be a typical behavior of many children (the pounding of the chest)  a frustration because they have a guilt feeling about something and know it was wrong.  Many parents have seen that.  It could be why Beth knows that Joran is lying.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:31:12 AM
There is an in your face chest hit--I see it on rap videos and see some football players doing it.  He may not have meant it that way, but if that was the gesture, that is how Beth would have read it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

I agree, and I do think he is involved otherwise why all the lies? I was just saying that Ihave seen young guys do this before.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 09:31:47 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting


I thought the same thing--if I were in the position to help a mother find her child, I would do anything I could to help. I think any innocent person would. And if any of these boys were innocent, they'd be cooperating fully with the investigators--and so would their families.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 09:31:53 AM
but english is not his native language.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting


well you cant say that either becuase we don know it what "manner" the mother spoke to him.....because maybe she "attacke" him and "accused"him rite then and there....again in the state the motehr was in, i think id JUMP   on him rite there and beat him to talk! (sorry)


Title: Innocent People Dont Pound Chest
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting


You are right Rob, the three boys were last one's with Nat. They would be cooperating unless they are guilty in some way with this disappearance.  I do not blame Beth for ANY of her actions.  I hope she keeps up the pressure.  I am not sure how she is keeping from "showing her butt" even more than she is... think about it, you send your straight A loving daughter on vacation, and some mongrel hurts her.  The men involved with this abduction/murder/whatever need skinning alive.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway


an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting


well you cant say that either becuase we don know it what "manner" the mother spoke to him.....because maybe she "attacke" him and "accused"him rite then and there....again in the state the motehr was in, i think id JUMP   on him rite there and beat him to talk! (sorry)

Same here. If I thought he did something to one of my kids Im sorry I dont think I would be very polite.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


exactly who would be in the postion to see such a thing?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:34:07 AM
Where on riehl did you read about possible wires and cream being used or hooked up?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jpepling on June 21, 2005, 09:34:51 AM
A quick warning about looking through the Aruban newspapers:  like many latin american countries, these newspapers show everthing in their photos.  If a major story is bad car crash where someone got killed, there is likely going to be a very bloody photo right next to that story...  sometimes complete with the dead body.  (Bon Dia is the most likely to show these as their paper is a .pdf of the actual published newspaper.)

This isn't an issue for everyone, but it is for others, so you've been warned!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:35:10 AM
ROB- yeah that was i was thinking, where would anyone get this information with everyone being so tight lipped around there


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:35:15 AM
It was on the front page fairly high up.


Glad to know there are some other tiger moms out there.


Hurt our kids, we hurt you.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


exactly who would be in the postion to see such a thing?


It's here:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
Scroll down to "Update" section.
And Dan Riehl attributes the info to one of his sources on the island.
???


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Bill on June 21, 2005, 09:36:13 AM
Quote from: "clevfan1234"
How is this team from Tx going to bring horses into Aruba? I would think it would not be easy to just bring animals in from one country to another (dogs, included as well).  Countrys have very strict rules about animals being brought in due to disease, etc

You can hire horses in Aruba.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: "jpepling"
A quick warning about looking through the Aruban newspapers:  like many latin american countries, these newspapers show everthing in their photos.  If a major story is bad car crash where someone got killed, there is likely going to be a very bloody photo right next to that story...  sometimes complete with the dead body.  (Bon Dia is the most likely to show these as their paper is a .pdf of the actual published newspaper.)

This isn't an issue for everyone, but it is for others, so you've been warned!


this is true, last summer a father and another son died trying to rescue a another son caught in the rip tide, down by the runins.. about 20 pics right on the front page of diario....very spooky...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:37:16 AM
Again, this group works internationally.  They KNOW how to get entry.  All this is probably why they did not leave two day ago when they announced the trip.  To get all the needed permissions.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


exactly who would be in the postion to see such a thing?



cream and wires?? wtf did i miss.... :?:  no sleeping on SM site!!!
last nite i had a weird drream....but no cream or wires in monkeys tree...
is sa still a full moon....or am i just early on gettin strage to day???
LOL


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 09:39:33 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


If the Aruba legal system obstructs Natalee's parents from recovering her or her body, the rest of the world will remember this forever.


Title: Why the American interest
Post by: harleymom on June 21, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
Hi all,
I've been lurking for a bit. As a mother of teens and also a boy scout,
my heart is so full of prayer for Natalee's family and Brenndens family.  When babyJessica was in the well, my son was her age and again I was following every detail while hugging my son.
A couple years ago, we missed going to Aruba with family friends. They are following also because they love Aruba and its people.
As its been said, many of us have empathy and feel helpless.  But we also have hope and prayers for all the families involved.
BTW neither of these two stories were in our daily paper today.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:40:27 AM
i would have kicked the crap out of joran that night...i appauld ms holloway, for her restraint...another note.. yesterday there was a story about joran leaving her asleep on the beach.. that sounds to me like he is defintely the last one to see her...very incrimanting if indeed true...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?


Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?


exactly who would be in the postion to see such a thing?





cream and wires?? wtf did i miss.... :?:  no sleeping on SM site!!!
last nite i had a weird drream....but no cream or wires in monkeys tree...
is sa still a full moon....or am i just early on gettin strage to day???
LOL


LOL, it leaves a lot to the imagination, eh? But isn't Dan's a fairly reputable source of info? Maybe his "island sources" were yanking his chain. Or maybe IF it was Joran who tried to commit suicide, he was being physically examined.  If, if, if....that's the problem.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:42:39 AM
im sorry but i discounted reihl a week or two ago...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
i would have kicked the crap out of joran that night...i appauld ms holloway, for her restraint...another note.. yesterday there was a story about joran leaving her asleep on the beach.. that sounds to me like he is defintely the last one to see her...very incrimanting if indeed true...


which was bro leaning on car withjvs???  how did urine get home from casino that night??


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
i would have kicked the crap out of joran that night...i appauld ms holloway, for her restraint...another note.. yesterday there was a story about joran leaving her asleep on the beach.. that sounds to me like he is defintely the last one to see her...very incrimanting if indeed true...


which was bro leaning on car withjvs???  how did urine get home from casino that night??


 not sure, i ve heard many different versions...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
i would have kicked the crap out of joran that night...i appauld ms holloway, for her restraint...another note.. yesterday there was a story about joran leaving her asleep on the beach.. that sounds to me like he is defintely the last one to see her...very incrimanting if indeed true...

I saw that too. I told my fiance now that has to be the STUPIDEST story if he actually is claiming that. It was someone from the fbi who said it when I heard it. So I wasnt sure if it was actually true or if he was simply speculating.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 09:43:56 AM
Mornin' monkeys!!!!!! KNow anything good?


Title: RE K in Tx
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It was on the front page fairly high up.


Glad to know there are some other tiger moms out there.


Hurt our kids, we hurt you.


I hope everyone will get off Beth HT 's back.  I frankly dont know how she has held it together as well as she has.  Look, I feel sorry for JVDS's mom, she seems oblivious to what harm her son may have done. But the dad, PVDS, acts guilty of something. I think he may be withholding or modifying information regarding the disappearance.  But Beth and Jug had better KEEP UP THE PRESSURE,  and all you monkeys that want to see this case resolved better stay on top of things too. Make donations if you can to keep her parents in Aruba.  This girl did not deserve a "bad thing happening" .


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:45:07 AM
not sure, i ve heard many different versions...[/quote]

good. so long as i am not cfzd right???  LOL :!:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Mornin' monkeys!!!!!! KNow anything good?


My 5 year old asked me "Why they are they called chicken fingers?" cause she said "Chickens don't have fingers"

I had no answer and realized that is very much like this case. I either feel like a 5 year old who just had a revelation that told me something else I really didn't know the answer to.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 09:48:12 AM
Just heard on Fox a few minutes ago it was the 2 brothers who were sent to the prison.. sorry if this was mentioned already..also that Greta will be on tonight at 10


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:48:17 AM
That news page is great.  Thanks for doing it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:48:23 AM
i gotta get packed , im leaving on sat, and havent packed a thing yet, so i ll check back with you guys later.. good luck.. and keep your heads up! :P


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:48:26 AM
The family has gotten thesearch team from Texas and there was a fund setup for them to help w/ the search....ok i know you guys are going to eat me for theis but here it goes:
do you really think that there is a big possibily that the arubans are going to donate a hell of alot after all the trashing thats been going on of their island and police forse??

UNDERSTAND i really dont want war w/ anyone its just a point I want to bring accores,,,frankly ive been kind of scared to post anything lately becuase yesterday there was a whole lot of attackign going on!


Title: Momin TN
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 09:48:26 AM
I agree, re everyone remembering Aruba if they obstruct Nat's mom.  Ya know, after three weeks, most folks world wide are starting to ask the question, "Are the Aruban law enforcement officials just inept, or are they trying to kidd glove this case."  I know already that I will in all likelihood never visit that Island, just because of this case.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 09:48:27 AM
Just heard on Fox a few minutes ago it was the 2 brothers who were sent to the prison.. sorry if this was mentioned already..also that Greta will be on tonight at 10


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:48:30 AM
According to this report, Texas searchers only taking dogs and sonar equipment:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/062105_local_search.html


Title: Gore
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:48:46 AM
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Bill8268 on June 21, 2005, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nitjus4fun"
'Also The NH family is filing a law suit..they want access to records with the evidence.'

Has the family hired an Attorney in Aruba for law suits and such. Just wonder what legal system they file with. I wouldn't think a lawsuit would do much good when fighting with goverment procedures in another country.


About the law suit.. that was flashing at the bottom of the screen as the Uncle was speaking. He said this team from texas may even have different kinds of tools to use in a search then what the investigators in Aruba do..that its possible.


I believe they also have side scan sonar which is a very good device for searching underwater.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:49:54 AM
Yeah i just read on riehlworld that their new story is joran left her on the beach when she became hysterical then deepak dropped off joran and satish and then went back to the beach where he was unable to find natalee.and the father of joran is sayin that he picked up joran at 3am.............. HIGHLY UNLIKELY......... and cant believe the father is just going with this...............Wow..this is really "Family suicide" for them if they dont get out of this!  This family will have to move


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 09:49:57 AM
How does someone with "modest" means afford to attend the International School?  I was surprised that one of the Kalpoe bros was a classmate of Joran's.  That was according to the report on Fox last night.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 09:50:55 AM
k guys  i am going 2 work b4 it is no longer an option!!
see u later! :wink:


Title: Re: Momin TN
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: "jagz2u"
I agree, re everyone remembering Aruba if they obstruct Nat's mom.  Ya know, after three weeks, most folks world wide are starting to ask the question, "Are the Aruban law enforcement officials just inept, or are they trying to kidd glove this case."  I know already that I will in all likelihood never visit that Island, just because of this case.


well you knwo ir espect your opinion and everythign but since when were crimes solved so quickly in the US? I mean there are cases that ahve gone on for years......I mean how do we not know shes alive? I mean if the US police is so competent where are all those missing children then? I mean come on do we really ahve to have those speculations?? how about chandra levy?1 whole year in W.D.C and that was w/ FBI and all the large enforcements....why cant this be the same thing???

Just my opinion


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


Something bad happened to NH, and those three know information about it.  I cant believe you would criticize what the mom and dad are doing.  Where is my ignore button? :(


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 09:52:33 AM
american, We know that is why the trolls hurt although some keep saying they have the right to post.

We can have people here just to attack and then silence our good Aruban friends and the kids from Mountain brook, or we can get rid of the attackers and maybe have people here who just might know what they are talking about.

I opt for the second.


I wish people in Aruba would realize that is ONE little tiny radio station that is doing the boycott thing--and actually most of the United States does not even know that station exists.

It is like an ant hill compared to the entire country.


Most of America is seeing how incredibly beautiful the island is, and how warm and caring the people seem.

Yes, we get frustrated with the police, but we do that at home also.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 09:53:04 AM
Can someone point me to an official way to donate, a website or address we can link to?

Paid time off has to be running out, they still have a mortgage and other bills in the states and they are spending unbudgeted money for things in a resort area. No matter how much is being given to them by holiday inn, delta etc. If the paid time off runs out things may get tight in a hurry.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
How does someone with "modest" means afford to attend the International School?  I was surprised that one of the Kalpoe bros was a classmate of Joran's.  That was according to the report on Fox last night.


No the Kalpoe bro.s was NOT a class mate! and JOran can afford it ebcause the mother is a teacher and they probably get a discount


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 09:53:11 AM
Thanks for the link on the update, LilOrphan


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 09:53:58 AM
iquito s makes valid points and they should be respected...now i really going..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:54:05 AM
Well they said that deepak and joran were classmates


Title: schools
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:54:09 AM
Through Caligirl's meticulous reseach have established on this site around 2 am today that that Deepak did not attend the international school but the local Dutch elite school, Colegiao Arubano which Satish also attends.  Arubans, is this true?

Quote from: "GreatOwl"
How does someone with "modest" means afford to attend the International School?  I was surprised that one of the Kalpoe bros was a classmate of Joran's.  That was according to the report on Fox last night.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
The family has gotten thesearch team from Texas and there was a fund setup for them to help w/ the search....ok i know you guys are going to eat me for theis but here it goes:
do you really think that there is a big possibily that the arubans are going to donate a hell of alot after all the trashing thats been going on of their island and police forse??

UNDERSTAND i really dont want war w/ anyone its just a point I want to bring accores,,,frankly ive been kind of scared to post anything lately becuase yesterday there was a whole lot of attackign going on!

At this point seriously I dont blame arubans for being pissed. There are always going to be trouble makers who come out of the woodwork for attention if nothing else. I for one appreciate what is being done. I also think alot of people are still misinformed about the way arubans law is so much different then what were used to. Were used to knowing as much as we can get our hands on, while there if too much is said the case can be thrown out. If more ppl were aware that it could be thrown out maybe we would be more understanding and patient.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


Maybe it is just the truth!


Title: Re: schools
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Through Caligirl's meticulous reseach have established on this site around 2 am today that that Deepak did not attend the international school but the local Dutch elite school, Colegiao Arubano which Satish also attends.  Arubans, is this true?

Quote from: "GreatOwl"
How does someone with "modest" means afford to attend the International School?  I was surprised that one of the Kalpoe bros was a classmate of Joran's.  That was according to the report on Fox last night.


Yes that is true..they Attended Colegio Arubano ....its the highest school here that is public...you ahve to buy your books and teh yearly fee is next to nothing


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 09:55:19 AM
duplicate


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:55:22 AM
annd said that satish went to some other school, but that joran was classmates with deepak and that is why the guy said that out of the three, other than the brothers obvisouly bein close.that deepak and joran were close friends


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pairofdivers on June 21, 2005, 09:56:25 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
The family has gotten thesearch team from Texas and there was a fund setup for them to help w/ the search


Morning, all.
Hey Aruba, how are you today?

Yes, I heard this while I was driving in to work this morning. The other statement made by the media, was that the parents of NH are preparing/organizing to file a suit because the government, after three
weeks, has kept them in the dark on what evidence they have against
the 4 suspects.

Which, thinking about that, does anyone think it's possible for extensions of Dutch territories, such as Aruba (I say this because of it's location), to set up a new law because of the vast majority of tourists? How possible would it be for the tourists to have licensed lawyers available to represent them under the laws where they claim citizenship?


Title: Re: Momin TN
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "jagz2u"
I agree, re everyone remembering Aruba if they obstruct Nat's mom.  Ya know, after three weeks, most folks world wide are starting to ask the question, "Are the Aruban law enforcement officials just inept, or are they trying to kidd glove this case."  I know already that I will in all likelihood never visit that Island, just because of this case.


well you knwo ir espect your opinion and everythign but since when were crimes solved so quickly in the US? I mean there are cases that ahve gone on for years......I mean how do we not know shes alive? I mean if the US police is so competent where are all those missing children then? I mean come on do we really ahve to have those speculations?? how about chandra levy?1 whole year in W.D.C and that was w/ FBI and all the large enforcements....why cant this be the same thing???

Just my opinion

American in Aruba -- please don't respond to these digs. You must know by now that the majority of the people here are very grateful for the info you have provided. If you can find the patience, just ignore these posts. They are mean spirited and small minded and not worth your time.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Thanks for the link on the update, LilOrphan


Anytime.  Did you read it at Riehl or another source? And is Riehl widely disregarded as a good site now?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 09:57:17 AM
Morning pairofdivers..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 09:57:47 AM
Morning pairofdivers..


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


just my humble opinion, but i don't agree with the "lynch mob" mentality accusation.  i think he is a man and a father (albeit a "step") who loves this little girl, sees his wife (whom i'm sure he loves very much) in turmoil/hell, and is frustrated with the arubian LE and is desperate to get Natalee back and just wants to this thing to end.

also, i believe although i cannot prove it, but i do believe "hangings" were first introduced in the west, not the south.


Title: Re: Momin TN
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 09:58:19 AM
because  Americans have a very short attention span and they can be stirred up easily to go in with the troops on any pretense.  We are good at  dishing it out but they can't take it.  

Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "jagz2u"
I agree, re everyone remembering Aruba if they obstruct Nat's mom.  Ya know, after three weeks, most folks world wide are starting to ask the question, "Are the Aruban law enforcement officials just inept, or are they trying to kidd glove this case."  I know already that I will in all likelihood never visit that Island, just because of this case.


well you knwo ir espect your opinion and everythign but since when were crimes solved so quickly in the US? I mean there are cases that ahve gone on for years......I mean how do we not know shes alive? I mean if the US police is so competent where are all those missing children then? I mean come on do we really ahve to have those speculations?? how about chandra levy?1 whole year in W.D.C and that was w/ FBI and all the large enforcements....why cant this be the same thing???

Just my opinion


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.


Ouch!

Good grief, this family has been to hell and back...cut them some slack.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
How does someone with "modest" means afford to attend the International School?  I was surprised that one of the Kalpoe bros was a classmate of Joran's.  That was according to the report on Fox last night.


No the Kalpoe bro.s was NOT a class mate! and JOran can afford it ebcause the mother is a teacher and they probably get a discount


AIA, yes I had supposed that about Joran and his tuition.  The attorney ( who showed Greta around) last night was asked the question about schools for the Kalpoe bros and his response was that one of the bros attended the local HS and the other had been at the International school.  This why I was surprised.  I guess I was just curious.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 09:59:05 AM
AMericaninaruba- i know you live there so i am not tryin to tell you are wrong, just what that guy said that greta interviewed last night...while they walked around to all the houses of the suspects! :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 09:59:53 AM
HELP! Im sorry I have multiple posts.. I get that d~bug thing.. didnt happen to me until now.. what do I do when that happens?? Sorry!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 10:00:48 AM
iquitos, I usually agree with all you say, but that lynch mob comment was a little much.


The family has had three weeks to wait for the father of Joran to act like a gentleman.  I suspect if he called him a slimeball it is because that is exactly what he believes he is.


I don't put it all down to cultural reserve.  Surely Aruba has a touch of the mi casa es su case hospitality found in Hispanic cultures, even with the dutch influence.

Father should have been out helping organize searches, calling on the family daily to see what he could do to help.

If my son was the last to see a girl alive, and he was innocent and I believed he was innocent, then that is what I would be doing.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 21, 2005, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
AMericaninaruba- i know you live there so i am not tryin to tell you are wrong, just what that guy said that greta interviewed last night...while they walked around to all the houses of the suspects! :lol:


He was a reporter for Diario, right?  Most important piece of info he let slip was that Joran contacted Croes" probably at Deepak's suggestion.  Not sure if it's 100 percent certain but that goes with theories that the cell phone records led to Croes, not the boys statements. Anyone?


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


just my humble opinion, but i don't agree with the "lynch mob" mentality accusation.  i think he is a man and a father (albeit a "step") who loves this little girl, sees his wife (whom i'm sure he loves very much) in turmoil/hell, and is frustrated with the arubian LE and is desperate to get Natalee back and just wants to this thing to end.

also, i believe although i cannot prove it, but i do believe "hangings" were first introduced in the west, not the south.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pairofdivers on June 21, 2005, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
HELP! Im sorry I have multiple posts.. I get that d~bug thing.. didnt happen to me until now.. what do I do when that happens?? Sorry!


Morning Angie,

Yeah, I get that from time to time.
I just click "Back" and go back to the forum. Then a refresh, and you should see your post. If not, you can hit me later.  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
HELP! Im sorry I have multiple posts.. I get that d~bug thing.. didnt happen to me until now.. what do I do when that happens?? Sorry!

Ignore it and return to the forum via the blue link in the upper left corner (below the monkeys.)  Your post does show up - no need to post again.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
AMericaninaruba- i know you live there so i am not tryin to tell you are wrong, just what that guy said that greta interviewed last night...while they walked around to all the houses of the suspects! :lol:


Im sorry can you inform me about this?I dont get that channel here (sorry)


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


just my humble opinion, but i don't agree with the "lynch mob" mentality accusation.  i think he is a man and a father (albeit a "step") who loves this little girl, sees his wife (whom i'm sure he loves very much) in turmoil/hell, and is frustrated with the arubian LE and is desperate to get Natalee back and just wants to this thing to end.

also, i believe although i cannot prove it, but i do believe "hangings" were first introduced in the west, not the south.


Jug may be the most frustrated in the family, he is the step father. He has to watch his wife anguish over her biological daughter. Her Ex has been out looking everyday for her. Jug can make very few decisions in any of this and his hands are tied in more ways than I can tell you. I am saying anything negative here, just that jug is probably used to taking matters into his own and hands formulating a plan or not and implementing.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 10:02:19 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
annd said that satish went to some other school, but that joran was classmates with deepak and that is why the guy said that out of the three, other than the brothers obvisouly bein close.that deepak and joran were close friends


It seems like Deepak is connected to everyone--friends with Joren from school (if they indeed went to the same school); brothers with Satish; and friends with Steve Croes from the Internet cafe. It seems like everything is focusing on Joren but something's very suspicious about the brothers' involvement--especially Deepak. I'm also trying to figure out where Steve Croes comes into play, because he's being portrayed as a nice guy--and people on the blogs have said he's nice, too. All this speculation is driving me crazy--but I'm addicted!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:02:45 AM
Quote from: "pairofdivers"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
HELP! Im sorry I have multiple posts.. I get that d~bug thing.. didnt happen to me until now.. what do I do when that happens?? Sorry!


Morning Angie,

Yeah, I get that from time to time.
I just click "Back" and go back to the forum. Then a refresh, and you should see your post. If not, you can hit me later.  :)


Thank you..! :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 10:03:36 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
iquitos, I usually agree with all you say, but that lynch mob comment was a little much.


The family has had three weeks to wait for the father of Joran to act like a gentleman.  I suspect if he called him a slimeball it is because that is exactly what he believes he is.


I don't put it all down to cultural reserve.  Surely Aruba has a touch of the mi casa es su case hospitality found in Hispanic cultures, even with the dutch influence.

Father should have been out helping organize searches, calling on the family daily to see what he could do to help.

If my son was the last to see a girl alive, and he was innocent and I believed he was innocent, then that is what I would be doing.


very well said, and as the mother of two little boys, i would be doing the same thing if my teenaged son were innocent, heck, even if he was not innocent, i would be helping and/or cooperating in anyway i can to help find her.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 10:03:58 AM
I don't think that guy showing her around knew what he was talking about a big part of the time.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.


Ouch!

Good grief, this family has been to hell and back...cut them some slack.


Problem is...they are IN hell...and HAVENT been able to get back.


Title: Re: Momin TN
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
because  Americans have a very short attention span and they can be stirred up easily to go in with the troops on any pretense.  We are good at  dishing it out but they can't take it.  


I think you're crossing a line here....take the gloves off.


Title: Greta wrong?
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: "Kelly"
AMericaninaruba- i know you live there so i am not tryin to tell you are wrong, just what that guy said that greta interviewed last night...while they walked around to all the houses of the suspects! :lol:


Greta's interlocutor was probably wrong according the some very astute reseachers on scared monkey who are way ahead of greta.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 10:05:48 AM
Nice job on the newsfeed, absolut.  Noticed someone on there (edited: someone commenting on ScaredMonkeys ABOUT the newsfeed) suggested Croes went in voluntarily for the reward. Hmm. If that's so, seems it backfired. <NOTE: just rumor and speculation -- nothing to back it up -- commenting on a comment I saw.>


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 10:05:53 AM
LilOrphan;
I like Riehl and I like here...both are excellent, especially with Satellite Monkey ArubaGirl and the other Satellite Monkeys...I forgot the names, sorry.

To AmericaninAruba and ArubaGirl; In regards to something you said along the lines of do you think Aruba will donate money after bashing? Would you? If you could, donate money? I know that I, even if my country was being bashed, would donate money. I think Aruba is like U.S. in that way. No one wants to be looked down on or bashed, but when it comes to the nitty-gritty, we're on board and want to help. Wrong is always wrong no matter where you live, and Right/good is always the side the majority wants to be on.
Just my opinion.
I see you come here every day, even when trolls are blasting, yet you still return to help! That is right/good and nothing can change thank. Thanks, AmericaninAruba and ArubaGir and othersl!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tarmand on June 21, 2005, 10:06:46 AM
AIA, hang in there.  Don't take it personally that people are bashing Aruba.  If this case were in Moutainbrook, Alabama, people would be bashing the police department there.  A few years ago, we had a serial killer murdering women in our area and you wouldn't believe the bashing that the local police received.  Most Americans (me included) have watched too many episodes of CSI, where the crime is solved in an hour, and we don't realize that it's not that simple in real life.  I'm sure the Aruba officials are doing all they can and we should be happy that they've let any American officials help with the case since they didn't have to do that.  Do I wish they would find Natalee quickly?  Yes.  Do I think that is going to happen?  No.  This is real life and we have to accept that these things aren't always that easy.  What is easy, however, is for us to sit here and play arm-chair quarterback, second guessing every move they make, when we aren't there and don't know what they are or are not doing.  We've also come to expect the MSM to keep us informed.  But, that's not always the best thing to do for the case and we need to accept that fact.  If they solve the case and find that Joran murdered Natalee, wouldn't it be heartbreaking for the family and everyone else involved if they couldn't put him away for his crime because  our need to know every little detail had compromised the case to where he couldn't be convicted?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:06:52 AM
AMericaninaruba----Yeah i think he said it was through Email!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Momin TN
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "jagz2u"
I agree, re everyone remembering Aruba if they obstruct Nat's mom.  Ya know, after three weeks, most folks world wide are starting to ask the question, "Are the Aruban law enforcement officials just inept, or are they trying to kidd glove this case."  I know already that I will in all likelihood never visit that Island, just because of this case.


well you knwo ir espect your opinion and everythign but since when were crimes solved so quickly in the US? I mean there are cases that ahve gone on for years......I mean how do we not know shes alive? I mean if the US police is so competent where are all those missing children then? I mean come on do we really ahve to have those speculations?? how about chandra levy?1 whole year in W.D.C and that was w/ FBI and all the large enforcements....why cant this be the same thing???

Just my opinion

American in Aruba -- please don't respond to these digs. You must know by now that the majority of the people here are very grateful for the info you have provided. If you can find the patience, just ignore these posts. They are mean spirited and small minded and not worth your time.


Chloe, I am sorry you perceive my post as mean spirited.  I have high respect for all Carribean natives, I have traveled there and know the area.  Most people have a breaking point, and want resolution on this matter.  If you steal my wallet, and I see you do it, and you stonewall me for three weeks,  am I to say, " please ms. bad person, could you kindly give me my wallet back, it is very precious to me and I really need it back" Aruba law enforcement is stonewalling.


Title: Friends?
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 10:07:49 AM
So if Joran doesn't go to school with the Kalpoe brothers, where is the connection or how did they meet?  I read  in a post somewhere that they had not known each other for long.
I heard on tv last night that the DJ from Tattoo came into the internet cafe where Deepak worked.  Did Joran go to that same internet cafe?  Is this a nice internet cafe or is this a rough crowd?  Is it a place where drug deals are made?  I can't imagine that an internet cafe in Aruba would be that lucrative on an island that depends on tourists who are probably trying to get away from work.  Perhaps the internet cafe is more for those who want to send emails from a public place so that their location does not point directly to their house.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: hope on June 21, 2005, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Kelly"
AMericaninaruba- i know you live there so i am not tryin to tell you are wrong, just what that guy said that greta interviewed last night...while they walked around to all the houses of the suspects! :lol:


Im sorry can you inform me about this?I dont get that channel here (sorry)


AIA- mornin' you can also look it up on Gretawire.com thanks for all your help on here


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:09:25 AM
Did anone else see FOX al litte bit ago when they had Marriane Croes on and the former DC homicide detective?? She said the 2 brothers were sent to the prison.. if so. I dont understand why Joran wasnt sent yet then.. that wasnt questioned!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:10:08 AM
they were walking aroudn to each suspects house...talking about what house was considered upper class, who went to what school and how it ranked in expensivness.....who went to what school..how steve met the other suspects...by being at the internet cafe that deepak worked at....guess they met through there...and that is where he stated that deepak and joran were the closest and that steve croes met deepak at the cafe and were only friends for about a year or so..and that steves name may haev leaked through an email!


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 10:10:22 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.


Ouch!

Good grief, this family has been to hell and back...cut them some slack.


Problem is...they are IN hell...and HAVENT been able to get back.

Exactly! Look my son was abducted...granted by his father but it was at gunpoint and very scary. You really cant imagine how horrible it feels. My heart goes out to her parents because you are in no way in control when your child is missing. It is hard to even think, eat, and forget emotional stability. I think they have kept it together longer then I know I did.  Her family needs to find her, that is all thats on their minds right now. They know one of these 3 knows what happened or atleast can point them in the right direction. So they are frustrated! and rightfully so.


Title: Re: update
Post by: goon squad on June 21, 2005, 10:10:43 AM
<<There is some indication that the pro-active Alabama folks may have contaminated the investigation in their zeal to get to the botom of Natalees disappearance.  It would have been enough to identify Joran to the police.>>  


To place the blame for any "contamination" on Natalee's family is absurd.  I don't see what going after BHT accomplishes; she did not participate in the interrogation, and she was likely unclear about what she could and should say about her brief meeting with Joran.  And the imagery provoked by phrases like "Alabama posse" is, frankly, distasteful.

On the night of May 31, the top priority was not investigation purity.  It was preservation of life.  If that priority is going to be ignored, there really isn't any point to law enforcement, prosecution, and pretty much every other function of government.

On the night of May 31, Natalee was, and still is, missing.  She wasn't confirmed dead, but it was pretty clear she wasn't at the movies, either.  For all anyone knew, she was dying at that moment.

On the night of May 31, the interest of saving Natalee's life was best served by getting information from JVDS.  Not in the morning.  Not 48 hours later.  Not after a couple of "Ladies' Night" no-shows.  But immediately.

There is no valid reason why serving the top priority - preservation of life - could be done without compromising an important secondary concern - investigation purity.  If contact by the Holloway family group with Joran would compromise the investigation, then it was the duty of law enforcement to prevent that from happening.  But since the top priority still has not been served, it was also their duty to conduct an immediate, formal interrogation of Joran without outside interference.

The failure to meet these clear, simple duties does not go to the Holloway family's discredit.  It goes to Aruban law enforcement's.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 10:10:51 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


just my humble opinion, but i don't agree with the "lynch mob" mentality accusation.  i think he is a man and a father (albeit a "step") who loves this little girl, sees his wife (whom i'm sure he loves very much) in turmoil/hell, and is frustrated with the arubian LE and is desperate to get Natalee back and just wants to this thing to end.

also, i believe although i cannot prove it, but i do believe "hangings" were first introduced in the west, not the south.


There is obviously pain and resentment on both sides, People please keep in mind emotions are just that emotions, good or bad.  I am just worried that after days of holding and interrogation we don't have a clear confession.  Why is that? I don't or can't buy wholesale that he has not cracked or coach., once you get pass that your really going into uncharted territory.  That visiting Judge sure looks like a mean bulldog, and he spent hours with each suspect, digging any evidence to hold them another 8 days.


Title: Cold case file
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:10:56 AM
Quote from: "tarmand"
AIA, hang in there.  Don't take it personally that people are bashing Aruba.  If this case were in Moutainbrook, Alabama, people would be bashing the police department there.  A few years ago, we had a serial killer murdering women in our area and you wouldn't believe the bashing that the local police received.  Most Americans (me included) have watched too many episodes of CSI, where the crime is solved in an hour, and we don't realize that it's not that simple in real life.  I'm sure the Aruba officials are doing all they can and we should be happy that they've let any American officials help with the case since they didn't have to do that.  Do I wish they would find Natalee quickly?  Yes.  Do I think that is going to happen?  No.  This is real life and we have to accept that these things aren't always that easy.  What is easy, however, is for us to sit here and play arm-chair quarterback, second guessing every move they make, when we aren't there and don't know what they are or are not doing.  We've also come to expect the MSM to keep us informed.  But, that's not always the best thing to do for the case and we need to accept that fact.  If they solve the case and find that Joran murdered Natalee, wouldn't it be heartbreaking for the family and everyone else involved if they couldn't put him away for his crime because  our need to know every little detail had compromised the case to where he couldn't be convicted?
 

In addition to CSI is there not a show called cold case file? hope they find her asap but the possiblity exists they won't too.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 10:11:44 AM
Once I saw that the guy feeding her information was so obviously wrong about the schools, I pretty much ghosted anything else he said.  He also said that the tattoo had a trip on Sunday night but all our regulars say it does not go out on Sunday.

I think he fed her bad stuff and tht might or might not even be the brother's home.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:12:23 AM
AMERICANINARUBA- Dont be sorry...its ok..you have been soooo helpful with everything you have been relaying to us..so thank you...! :lol:


Title: Re: Cold case file
Post by: tarmand on June 21, 2005, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"


In addition to CSI is there not a show called cold case file? hope they find her asap but the possiblity exists they won't too.


Iquitos,

There is a show called Cold Case File, I believe, but since it comes on CourtTV or something like that, it doesn't have nearly the viewers of CSI.  Thats why we don't think about it taking a long time to solve a case.   More people are used to watching CSI, one of the top rated shows (and it comes on three times a week, I think) where the crimes are solved quickly.  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Once I saw that the guy feeding her information was so obviously wrong about the schools, I pretty much ghosted anything else he said.  He also said that the tattoo had a trip on Sunday night but all our regulars say it does not go out on Sunday.

I think he fed her bad stuff and tht might or might not even be the brother's home.


Yes, I don't think the poor guy really knew what he was talking about either. Sometimes it seemed like he was making things up, like when Greta asked him how long Deepak had known Steve Croes and he said he didn't know but he thought it wasn't more than a year. I mean, either you don't know or you do![/i]


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:15:32 AM
yeah there is a show called cold case


Title: Re: Cold case file
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "iquitos"


In addition to CSI is there not a show called cold case file? hope they find her asap but the possiblity exists they won't too.


Iquitos,

There is a show called Cold Case File, I believe, but since it comes on CourtTV or something like that, it doesn't have nearly the viewers of CSI.  Thats why we don't think about it taking a long time to solve a case.   More people are used to watching CSI, one of the top rated shows (and it comes on three times a week, I think) where the crimes are solved quickly.  :)

There is a show called Cold Case, and one called Cold Case Files. Cold Case Files shows them actually breaking cold cases, real life cold cases. The show called Cold Case is a show a little like CSI and is fiction, I think it is on CBS or something, and the other one is on Discovery Channel I believe.


Title: Go to the internet cafe
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 10:16:09 AM
Do an interview at the internet cafe and see who goes in there


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 10:16:11 AM
when i used to work retail in a department store, our security told us that even though we may see an employee stealing, it may take them a while before they actually arrest that employee, because they will wait and let that employee think he or she is getting away with something and b/c of them waiting, the crooked employee will get greedier and greedier and take more and more, and then they will have the evidence to put that crooked employee away for a long time.  it's called "building a case".

i would like to believe that perhaps arubian law enforcement are building a case around who they believe to be the perpetrator of this crime, (whether it be joran, deepak, satish, or croes, or all of them) and in what seems to be taking forever, perhaps they are building enough evidence (b/c there is lack of a body) to be able to put who they believe is the perpetrator away for a long, long, long time.

of course at times, i do believe they are "stonewalling".  i think we are all (americans, arubans, etc.) frustrated a bit.

i would like to thank aia and all the others who have taken the time to glean information, translate information, build other webpages, etc. to keep all of us informed on all of this.  my sincerest "thanks" goes out to each and everyone of you.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 10:16:52 AM
I have finally got up to date on the overnight posts. I was seaching for comments on the report of Greta van Susteren, especially her interview with Beth Twitty.

These interviews with Beth Twitty are important sources of information, and we should listen carefully to WHAT IS SAID as well as to WHAT IS NOT SAID. A lot of you missed some REALLY important information.

First, Beth Twitty mentioned that they had hired an Aruban lawyer to explore EVERY LEGAL AVENUE to get resolution to this case. That includes filing motions to gain access to information, and might have implied that that might also include civil suits agains the defendants, in the even that the criminal justice system turns into a clusterf**k.

Second, Beth Twitty made it clear that SHE WAS NOT LEAVING THE ISLAND until she gains some resolution to the case. Listen up you Aruban authorities. This is no longer a woman making demands. This is a woman making a PROMISE. This is a BIG development, folks, and one that the Aruban authorities are apparently taking seriously. I noticed a dramatic change in the attitude of Aruban spokesman Reuben Trappenberg in this interview, and I speculate that he takes has finally come to the conclusion that he needs to take this lady seriously.

Third, Greta has been successful in developing rapport with many different sources, including spokesmen Gomez and Trappenberg, and was able to ask many procedural questions, dealing with the Aruban legal system and get straight answers.

Fourth, Greta had cameramen ALL OVER THE ISLAND.

Fifth, Greta asked Beth Twitty, at the conclusion of her interview, "What can I do, to help?" This was a personal question, and went beyond anything Greta has ever asked any other interviewee. My take on this is that Greta has chosen to fight this thing to the finish. Given her legal background, it is a project for which she is uniquely qualified. Perhaps it is the cause of a lifetime. Tough questions will certainly come later, but Greta has established rapport and has established her credentials with the Aruban legal authorities, so they will never be able to come back and act condescending later. My take is that GRETA IS THERE FOR THE DURATION of this case.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:16:58 AM
Fox on now.. former FBI agent on..  The reporter on now says Aruba police perhaps are stumped.. I cant see my tv from here...
this man is talking about the FBI and forensics...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 21, 2005, 10:17:07 AM
Since when do people who commit crimes spill their guts?  I am confused as to why we think they will just tell all.   Very very very infrequently you will get a confession.  I would guess 99% of the time you don't so why would anyone (including NH's mom) expect them to confess all??  I am not saying this to cause a war I am just confounded by everyone acting like it's odd there has been no breakdown and confession - when does that happen in the real world?  Just my thoughts-no need to attack.


Title: News Bulletin
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 10:18:14 AM
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 10:19:06 AM
thank you guys for all the support of not only me and my very low suppply of patient ut also of this beautiful island ive been calling home for 9 eyars now.....I thank you very much for that! also I wouldd as much as anyone see this thign resolved being al the familes that are now "broken" and involved in this problem....we all need to pray for these children becasue thats what they are children they all have parents that see them as there "kids" and we need to keep positive thoughts with allthats going on here and pray for a safe return to see the nmother and father s faces of comoeete JOY as this is resolved to get hteri daughter back alive....we need to keep positive thoughts and prayers FLOWING! thank you again for all the support for this family and there freinds also for aruba


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 21, 2005, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Since when do people who commit crimes spill their guts?  I am confused as to why we think they will just tell all.   Very very very infrequently you will get a confession.  I would guess 99% of the time you don't so why would anyone (including NH's mom) expect them to confess all??  I am not saying this to cause a war I am just confounded by everyone acting like it's odd there has been no breakdown and confession - when does that happen in the real world?  Just my thoughts-no need to attack.


Very true! Case in point: Scott Peterson....he has never confessed


Title: Re: Go to the internet cafe
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Do an interview at the internet cafe and see who goes in there


MominTn,
I like the way you think.  An interview at the internet cafe seems very appropo.  Good next step for Greta.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:22:25 AM
Wher are you hearing this about possible charges being brought to these boys? how can they be throwin out possible charges without any evidence? if that is the case, they must have something solid now!


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


Title: Re: Go to the internet cafe
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: "jagz2u"
Quote from: "MominTN"
Do an interview at the internet cafe and see who goes in there


MominTn,
I like the way you think.  An interview at the internet cafe seems very appropo.  Good next step for Greta.


quick, somebody email her that idea!!!   :D


Title: I beg to differ
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Once I saw that the guy feeding her information was so obviously wrong about the schools, I pretty much ghosted anything else he said.  He also said that the tattoo had a trip on Sunday night but all our regulars say it does not go out on Sunday.

I think he fed her bad stuff and tht might or might not even be the brother's home.


Yes, I don't think the poor guy really knew what he was talking about either. Sometimes it seemed like he was making things up, like when Greta asked him how long Deepak had known Steve Croes and he said he didn't know but he thought it wasn't more than a year. I mean, either you don't know or you do![/i]


Greta was talking to the Diario Reporter as well as Jossy Mansur (an influential family). The reporter is as far as I can tell being very honest and informative.  The issue you have with specific is that Greta was asking how long exactly Deepak knew SGC.  In Papiamento, saying I'm not sure, if you translate it to English means "I do not Know".  as opposed to "I am not sure"... Basically his is saying he is not sure the exact date they met  but is guessing its around a year.


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


Thanks MominTN.. I havnt watched CNN...mainly have Fox on.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 10:25:31 AM
mominTN - not to be confrontational...can you source that?

Gerben or anyone, can you shed light on why two counts of murder?


Title: Re: I beg to differ
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 21, 2005, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Once I saw that the guy feeding her information was so obviously wrong about the schools, I pretty much ghosted anything else he said.  He also said that the tattoo had a trip on Sunday night but all our regulars say it does not go out on Sunday.

I think he fed her bad stuff and tht might or might not even be the brother's home.


Yes, I don't think the poor guy really knew what he was talking about either. Sometimes it seemed like he was making things up, like when Greta asked him how long Deepak had known Steve Croes and he said he didn't know but he thought it wasn't more than a year. I mean, either you don't know or you do![/i]


Greta was talking to the Diario Reporter as well as Jossy Mansur (an influential family). The reporter is as far as I can tell being very honest and informative.  The issue you have with specific is that Greta was asking how long exactly Deepak knew SGC.  In Papiamento, saying I'm not sure, if you translate it to English means "I do not Know".  as opposed to "I am not sure"... Basically his is saying he is not sure the exact date they met  but is guessing its around a year.


Thanks for clarifying!


Title: Re: update
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<There is some indication that the pro-active Alabama folks may have contaminated the investigation in their zeal to get to the botom of Natalees disappearance.  It would have been enough to identify Joran to the police.>>  


To place the blame for any "contamination" on Natalee's family is absurd.  I don't see what going after BHT accomplishes; she did not participate in the interrogation, and she was likely unclear about what she could and should say about her brief meeting with Joran.  And the imagery provoked by phrases like "Alabama posse" is, frankly, distasteful.

On the night of May 31, the top priority was not investigation purity.  It was preservation of life.  If that priority is going to be ignored, there really isn't any point to law enforcement, prosecution, and pretty much every other function of government.

On the night of May 31, Natalee was, and still is, missing.  She wasn't confirmed dead, but it was pretty clear she wasn't at the movies, either.  For all anyone knew, she was dying at that moment.

On the night of May 31, the interest of saving Natalee's life was best served by getting information from JVDS.  Not in the morning.  Not 48 hours later.  Not after a couple of "Ladies' Night" no-shows.  But immediately.

There is no valid reason why serving the top priority - preservation of life - could be done without compromising an important secondary concern - investigation purity.  If contact by the Holloway family group with Joran would compromise the investigation, then it was the duty of law enforcement to prevent that from happening.  But since the top priority still has not been served, it was also their duty to conduct an immediate, formal interrogation of Joran without outside interference.

The failure to meet these clear, simple duties does not go to the Holloway family's discredit.  It goes to Aruban law enforcement's.
 

Goon, your consistent, cogent, and obviously professionally informed observations are appreciated.  The Twittys arrived to find little had happened on the ground since it was noticed that Natalee was gone and they had to get the ball rolling immediately and they did.  Did you see the comment off the Scared Monkey main board I posted earlier form another LE person?  I am just observing that the effort may have gone too far and that is too bad.  The worst part is that even their effort was not enough to jump start the investigation  This is common in my experience overseas handling these cases.  Missing persons is a low priority until it is obvious that something bad has happened.   An island that depends on tourism sees lots of people go temporarily missing but to not take each one dead seriously is at their peril as this case has illustrated.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: MississippiGirl on June 21, 2005, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Can someone point me to an official way to donate, a website or address we can link to?

Paid time off has to be running out, they still have a mortgage and other bills in the states and they are spending unbudgeted money for things in a resort area. No matter how much is being given to them by holiday inn, delta etc. If the paid time off runs out things may get tight in a hurry.


Below is the information about the fund set up in Meridian, MS where Dave Holloway lives.  I believe that there is also a fund set up in Mountain Brook and that the TX Equine people are also accepting donations.

Link to the bank's website: http://www.trustmark.com/

From our local news (WTOK-TV):
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/1643201.html

...In Meridian, friends of the Holloway family are trying to help in a major way with the family's expenses.

...While police continue investigating the disappearance of Natalee in Aruba, friends of Dave and Robin Holloway, Natalee's father and stepmother who live in Meridian, are trying to assist the family financially by holding a fundraiser.

"We're just trying to do what we can. It is a sad situation and it is only right for us to do something," said Andrew Hart, a friend of Dave Holloway.

According to Hart, Dave Holloway has already spent almost $20,000 so far in the search for his daughter.

"We will be collecting funds at the (Mississippi) Braves game (in Pearl, Miss.) before and after the game," he said, referring to the June 17 game versus West Tennessee, starting at 7:05 p.m.

"We're just doing what we can to help," said Steve DeSalvo, general manager of the Mississippi Braves, who was in Meridian Thursday.

The money collected will be put into the "Help Find Natalee" Fund set up at Trustmark National Bank, to which anyone may donate just by going to any branch and designating the gift.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:26:17 AM
how can they be facing two counts of murder? and why would they be relaeasing that information all of a sudden, when they woudlnt give us anything before... i dont understand this at all


Title: Professor
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
I have finally got up to date on the overnight posts. I was seaching for comments on the report of Greta van Susteren, especially her interview with Beth Twitty.

These interviews with Beth Twitty are important sources of information, and we should listen carefully to WHAT IS SAID as well as to WHAT IS NOT SAID. A lot of you missed some REALLY important information.

First, Beth Twitty mentioned that they had hired an Aruban lawyer to explore EVERY LEGAL AVENUE to get resolution to this case. That includes filing motions to gain access to information, and might have implied that that might also include civil suits agains the defendants, in the even that the criminal justice system turns into a clusterf**k.

Second, Beth Twitty made it clear that SHE WAS NOT LEAVING THE ISLAND until she gains some resolution to the case. Listen up you Aruban authorities. This is no longer a woman making demands. This is a woman making a PROMISE. This is a BIG development, folks, and one that the Aruban authorities are apparently taking seriously. I noticed a dramatic change in the attitude of Aruban spokesman Reuben Trappenberg in this interview, and I speculate that he takes has finally come to the conclusion that he needs to take this lady seriously.

Third, Greta has been successful in developing rapport with many different sources, including spokesmen Gomez and Trappenberg, and was able to ask many procedural questions, dealing with the Aruban legal system and get straight answers.

Fourth, Greta had cameramen ALL OVER THE ISLAND.

Fifth, Greta asked Beth Twitty, at the conclusion of her interview, "What can I do, to help?" This was a personal question, and went beyond anything Greta has ever asked any other interviewee. My take on this is that Greta has chosen to fight this thing to the finish. Given her legal background, it is a project for which she is uniquely qualified. Perhaps it is the cause of a lifetime. Tough questions will certainly come later, but Greta has established rapport and has established her credentials with the Aruban legal authorities, so they will never be able to come back and act condescending later. My take is that GRETA IS THERE FOR THE DURATION of this case.


You are right on with your comments. I  believe that if Beth H does not push, and had not pushed, this would have been swept under the rug.


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 10:26:34 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


2 counts does not neccessarily mean two murders.  i'm sure in aruban law as was as american law, there are different counts for different types.  usually, the prosecution won't rely on going after just one count of murder, they will usually add as many that are relevant to the case.  kind of like bad, worse, and worst murder counts.  does that make sense?  can you tell that i'm no lawyer nor do i know much about american law, much less aruban law?  LOL!   :P


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Since when do people who commit crimes spill their guts?  I am confused as to why we think they will just tell all.   Very very very infrequently you will get a confession.  I would guess 99% of the time you don't so why would anyone (including NH's mom) expect them to confess all??  I am not saying this to cause a war I am just confounded by everyone acting like it's odd there has been no breakdown and confession - when does that happen in the real world?  Just my thoughts-no need to attack.


This may be significant.  I would tend to agree if what was said last night by the local attorney is true.  When asked about cases being tried without a "body" his response was that it seldom happens.  (not that it could not happen)  I took that as meaning under the judicial system they do not have many cases with circumstantial evidence.  This was just my impression.  That being the case, why would any suspect help find the evidence.  Why would they help find Natalee when it would be to their advantage not to have her found?  Again this is just speculation.  Now I am speaking of the suspects, and not the innocent people of the island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 10:29:24 AM
Ohhhhhhhhh ok like Murder 1, murder 2, manslaughter and all that..ok ok..i got it..wow they must have some bad news for us then...if they are facing that now! :cry:


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "MominTN"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


2 counts does not neccessarily mean two murders.  i'm sure in aruban law as was as american law, there are different counts for different types.  usually, the prosecution won't rely on going after just one count of murder, they will usually add as many that are relevant to the case.  kind of like bad, worse, and worst murder counts.  does that make sense?  can you tell that i'm no lawyer nor do i know much about american law, much less aruban law?  LOL!   :P


Thanks bamajo.. I still am confised of the fact the brothers were moved to prison.. thats what Marianne Croes reported earlier.. so why wasnt Joran moved with them then?? Hmmmm


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 10:30:59 AM
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


Title: other thoughts
Post by: pairofdivers on June 21, 2005, 10:31:08 AM
I was doing some research yesterday on cases that were similar to this.

Check into the following:

Murder in Paradise          by Chris Loos
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0060093463/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-0074471-1688810#readerpage
""Hawaii is Heaven-on-Earth, with its soft, flower-scented breezes, clear turquoise ocean water, and gently swaying palms. But on Christmas Eve 1991, it became a place of darkest evil, when Dana Ireland was kidnapped by three strangers, raped, savagely beaten, and left to die in the early hours of Christmas morning. A vivacious, 23-year-old visitor to the "Big Island," her life ended prematurely thanks to a terrible, senseless assault and the failure of rescue workers to reach the crime scene on time.""

-and-

Murder in Paradise          by Lisa Pulitzer
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312984448/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-0074471-1688810#readerpage
""On January 15, 2000, the bruised body of thirty-four-year-old Lois McMillan, a Connecticut artist vacationing in the British Virgin Islands, was discovered draped across the rocks of an inlet where she had apparently drowned in the Caribbean waves. Local authorities on the little paradise of Tortola quickly confirmed that it was no accident. The police immediately found their suspects-four young, rich American tourists. Within twenty-four hours, the men were arrested for murder and went from a life of carefree luxury to cold jail cells. Each had an alibi. None of them had a motive. And there was no direct evidence linking any of them to Lois's death. Did authorities even have the right men? Was it a rush to judgment-a desperate attempt to save Tortola's reputation for peace and safety-or were these men hiding a terrible crime. A twisting tale of swift island justice that was just beginning. So was the intricate puzzle of the lives of the four men in question, and the truth of what really happened during Lois McMillen's tragic final hours.""

I also saw a report of a missing person case, that took place in Louisiana about a decade ago, where a guy gave a woman a ride, she disappeared, and he was never convicted... I'd have to look it up again to find it...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: goon squad on June 21, 2005, 10:31:24 AM
<<This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong. It is distasteful and uncivilized.>>

Funny, I thought it was Aruban law enforcement who picked up, arrested, and placed the specter of murder charges over two black men who had absolutely no connection to NH.


Title: Here is the hard news piece on the charges
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:31:44 AM
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: AMIGOE CURACAO   
AMIGOE CURACAO

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother. According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that." According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem. Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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Title: Answer To Your Question:
Post by: Sachae on June 21, 2005, 10:33:33 AM
Quote
Anyone know if the Boat DJ that was arrested had access to the boat all the time?? Possible with a set of keys to allow for burial of a body off the coast. For that matter, could have been to transport her to a different location in South America?


His boss, immediately after he was arrested, seemed to think he could not have taken the boat out alone...something about the electronics on it. I don't have a clue where I read that - most likely here in an earlier thread.
That is correct, I saw his boss on CNN last Friday night, here in Canada, and he said that Steve had a key to get into the boat but was not able to start the engine because it has a computorized locking system. Also to answer another question the boat does not go out Sunday night, that is why he answered the question if Steve could have taken the boat out. I also agree with another poster saying that Pop's career of being a judge is not going to happen, not there anyways, too much media attention world wide, in the Casino's and drinking with his son who is under age, and I am sure alot more that the government will try to hide from the American People, because of his son Aruba is now under scrutiny and that is not what the Government wants, not this kind of media. He has opened up "Pandor's Box".


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 10:35:53 AM
Not sure if anyone read or if it was posted--but what the hell is this story about now...  I found it on http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_2.html

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or are alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.

Update: Forgot to mention that it was also relayed to me that Joran v d Sloot would not join the two Kalpoe brothers at the prison, but would remain where he is being held. When I asked if that was because of his status as a minor, there was no clear answer. It was suggested that it could be that, or that it was so his questioning could be continued.


THEN I saw this post in response to the above:

Someone from Aruba reported the McDonald's closes at 1 am !!!


Title: Texas Equusearch
Post by: TexasSugarfoot on June 21, 2005, 10:36:26 AM
Just a bit of info about the search group going from Texas. They were not HIRED by the NH family. This is a volunteer nonprofit organization that is funded solely by dontations. A request came from NH's uncle to the group for help.

 Not only do they have mounted search teams, they also have teams for foot searches, water, air and 4x4 searches. They have been quite successful in water recoveries. I believe that they have made something like 38 recoveries from water in the last 4 years.  They have been involved in other international searches so I wouldn't expect any "international incidents" to arise in Aruba.


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 10:36:27 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


Well, there WAS a decapitation recently in Aruba.  I think that is kinda "coincidental" for a nation who has a relatively low crime rate.  It is highly possible all this is connected.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 10:37:45 AM
Bravo, Goonsquad.

I also found iquitos comments in poor taste. "Alabama posse." was uncalled for. I just pray that you are never put into that position, where you have to track down the prime suspects on your own.

The "Gringo" comment was also uncalled for. The fact that the United States has graced Aruba with the majority of their tourist trade should be the cause for gratitude, rather than calling us Gringos.


Title: Re: Texas Equusearch
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Just a bit of info about the search group going from Texas. They were not HIRED by the NH family. This is a volunteer nonprofit organization that is funded solely by dontations. A request came from NH's uncle to the group for help.

 Not only do they have mounted search teams, they also have teams for foot searches, water, air and 4x4 searches. They have been quite successful in water recoveries. I believe that they have made something like 38 recoveries from water in the last 4 years.  They have been involved in other international searches so I wouldn't expect any "international incidents" to arise in Aruba.


thanks so much for that information!


Title: Re: Professor
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: "jagz2u"
Quote from: "Professor"
I have finally got up to date on the overnight posts. I was seaching for comments on the report of Greta van Susteren, especially her interview with Beth Twitty.

These interviews with Beth Twitty are important sources of information, and we should listen carefully to WHAT IS SAID as well as to WHAT IS NOT SAID. A lot of you missed some REALLY important information.

First, Beth Twitty mentioned that they had hired an Aruban lawyer to explore EVERY LEGAL AVENUE to get resolution to this case. That includes filing motions to gain access to information, and might have implied that that might also include civil suits agains the defendants, in the even that the criminal justice system turns into a clusterf**k.

Second, Beth Twitty made it clear that SHE WAS NOT LEAVING THE ISLAND until she gains some resolution to the case. Listen up you Aruban authorities. This is no longer a woman making demands. This is a woman making a PROMISE. This is a BIG development, folks, and one that the Aruban authorities are apparently taking seriously. I noticed a dramatic change in the attitude of Aruban spokesman Reuben Trappenberg in this interview, and I speculate that he takes has finally come to the conclusion that he needs to take this lady seriously.

Third, Greta has been successful in developing rapport with many different sources, including spokesmen Gomez and Trappenberg, and was able to ask many procedural questions, dealing with the Aruban legal system and get straight answers.

Fourth, Greta had cameramen ALL OVER THE ISLAND.

Fifth, Greta asked Beth Twitty, at the conclusion of her interview, "What can I do, to help?" This was a personal question, and went beyond anything Greta has ever asked any other interviewee. My take on this is that Greta has chosen to fight this thing to the finish. Given her legal background, it is a project for which she is uniquely qualified. Perhaps it is the cause of a lifetime. Tough questions will certainly come later, but Greta has established rapport and has established her credentials with the Aruban legal authorities, so they will never be able to come back and act condescending later. My take is that GRETA IS THERE FOR THE DURATION of this case.


You are right on with your comments. I  believe that if Beth H does not push, and had not pushed, this would have been swept under the rug.


You can also read Greta view of Aruba posted at the 1 st page here on this website.  She actually appear to like Aruba, and if you listen to the comments of Reuben, there is a separation of Government and the Judicial.  Same here in the United States.  The amount of Police work started the day of dissapearence, starting from the beach patrol gathering information.   I take offense when someone spouts out that is or that is a clusterf**k.  Do I need to show examples right here in the US?  Do you think the DEA and FBI is not playing a part? Do you not think that there is a working relationship already?  Do you even remember that the FBI told Beth Holloway not to give too much new releases??  The last time I saw the FBI stood for FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. (OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 10:41:52 AM
iquitos, thanks for the amigoe article that makes the 2 murder counts more understandable.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Chicago_510 on June 21, 2005, 10:42:06 AM
Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.


Title: Search without filters
Post by: MominTN on June 21, 2005, 10:43:44 AM
If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm


Title: Venezuela
Post by: pairofdivers on June 21, 2005, 10:47:05 AM
Check this page for info from State Dept...

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2005/46616.htm


Title: Iquitos is not an aruban
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 10:50:11 AM
for the record iquitos is not an aruban by a long shot.  don't want to besmirch their good reputation by association.  In the past for those who actually read here,  have quoted from the Alabama press one of the Alabama delegation that night in describing their get together with Joran on his doorstep, as saying "we basically interogated him."   (For like two hours).   He said it, i didn't.  Dan reported early on that there was a confrontation that had to be broken up by police.  These are just insights.  If the v/d sloots were not cooperative, the Twittys have a beef.  But there always two points of view and we don't know the other one.   mr v/d sloot is silenced and it looks like they have both chosen silence.  they would probably not come off very well on American TV anyway.  They have a right to defend their kid too and it may have been to late to save Natalee by then anyway, especially if they knew what happened to her.


Title: Re: Search without filters
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm


I checked it out. Oh my. :roll:


Title: Re: Search without filters
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 10:52:15 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm

Ok I clicked otn he 2nd link: the bars dont exist anymore! rthis must be VERY VERYold!
whre "sherrs" cafe use dto is behignd the c&C isnow but more onthemain road...nwo theires TANTRA nightclub, and UNDER tantra is wehre the CEllar USED to be


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 10:53:23 AM
Quote from: "Chicago_510"
Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.


THANKS for the links and Hello to another fellow Chicagoan!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 10:54:15 AM
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


Title: -
Post by: someone on June 21, 2005, 10:55:04 AM
I know this has already been answered b/c I saw the question on the board last night but I'm afraid I fell asleep before someone answered it and can't find it through a search

What does cream and wires mean? is that a polygraph?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: "Chicago_510"
Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.


These souces claim that Aruba's primary industry is not tourism, but money laundering for South American drug cartels. So, it appears that a tourist boycott of the island really wouldn't have that much of an effect, in the event that one is called for, except that tourism might provide the activity -- in places like the casinos and clubs -- that would make money laundering possible.

Hey, I'm just going by these documented sources.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 10:57:29 AM
REMINDER:    If someone is offended easily, perhaps an open discussion board is not for them.

Let's take each persons post for what it is, their opinion.  It doesn't mean you have to like it, or agree with it.    If someone can really bother you by posting on a bulletin board, perhaps you should step back... take a breather and reflect on all that is good in your life.

Back to work for me...   :cry:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mojo on June 21, 2005, 10:58:40 AM
money laundering is big business all over the world and the drug cartels "learned" it from other businesses. insurance being a prime example.


Title: Re: -
Post by: Bill8268 on June 21, 2005, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: "someone"
I know this has already been answered b/c I saw the question on the board last night but I'm afraid I fell asleep before someone answered it and can't find it through a search

What does cream and wires mean? is that a polygraph?


Yes.  The cream is a conducting cream that is put on the skin to get better conductivity for the wires that are attached to the body.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


Greta may be cleaning up for fox after the promises Geraldo made to them when he was kissing them in the ear. The same night he was sucking up to the prime minister. When the anchors disappeared so did the twittys. Beth's last interveiw from last week with Greta was played all weekend. The family may have asked why Fox dropped them. Remember they can't see fox on TV.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: a Troll on June 21, 2005, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"

This may be significant.  I would tend to agree if what was said last night by the local attorney is true.  When asked about cases being tried without a "body" his response was that it seldom happens.  (not that it could not happen)  I took that as meaning under the judicial system they do not have many cases with circumstantial evidence.  This was just my impression.  That being the case, why would any suspect help find the evidence.  Why would they help find Natalee when it would be to their advantage not to have her found?  Again this is just speculation.  Now I am speaking of the suspects, and not the innocent people of the island.


Judge Napalitano (on Fox) said that there was only 1 case in Holland 10 years ago where they were able to try someone for murder without a body, and that he wasn't sure it was even legally possible in Aruba.  He also said that America had the same rules until about 25 years ago.

Of course, if one of the boys confess then they can get a conviction.  Perhaps, if Steve Croes was only tangentially involved (as in selling drugs to Deepak), and if he knows what happened, it could lead one of the three to crack.  

AIA:  Any idea if Steve Croes might have sold drugs from time to time, as I've seen rumored on this and other boards?


Title: Re: News Bulletin
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: "jagz2u"
Quote from: "MominTN"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "MominTN"
DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


Well, there WAS a decapitation recently in Aruba.  I think that is kinda "coincidental" for a nation who has a relatively low crime rate.  It is highly possible all this is connected.


I heard about this too-i think on Fox or CNN or somewhere.  In the law in Aruba, Please correct me if I am wrong, it was mentioned, to hold the supsects like they are there must be specific "counts" and it doesn't necessarily mean that is what happened--it is what they are in suspicon of-since idea where she may be and no correct stories.

Also-the 2 brothers in prison-I read they are doing that so the boys are not together again to talk.  When they were originally brought in-all 3 were in a cell and then split apart.  They figured bringing the 3 to the prison-they will talk again to match their stories-so they are trying to avoid that.

I also heard last night on Fox-Mrs Twitty Holloway and the family are going to sue Aruba govt b/c of facts and info not being released.  But they said it may not happen or can take a long time b/c they hired an attorney from Aruba that is currently working on a case.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


It's not a smear campaign, how can you call it that when their daughter is missing. Are you friends of the slimeballs, do you have kids, what is your problem.? I would do even more than that!! I am from Florida, and yes i would hang someone if they hurt my child...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 11:06:23 AM
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Title: QUESTIONs
Post by: SL on June 21, 2005, 11:08:38 AM
On many blogs, about various subjects) I have noticed the word "TRACKBACK."

When there is a "trackback," the numbers of trackbacks are listed. When I paste the trackback into the address bar, this message appears:
'URL needed'

What is a trackback. What is the purpose of a trackback?

SL


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 11:09:49 AM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


It's not a smear campaign, how can you call it that when their daughter is missing. Are you friends of the slimeballs, do you have kids, what is your problem.? I would do even more than that!! I am from Florida, and yes i would hang someone if they hurt my child...


If you ever have a child missing (God forbid),  that will not give you a license to smear anybody except the people that did it.  In this case, while there are people under suspicion, it remains to be seen who the guilty party is.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 11:10:37 AM
Can anyone here clear up/answer the contraditons and items highlighted below?

From: http://scaredmonkeys.com/
Suicide Watch for Joran?
June 20th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->

This is unconfirmed, but we received word that Joran is on a Suicide Watch after an unsuccessful attempted suicide last night.
This should not be taken as an admission of guilt, but he has been moved to the main prison, a much tougher environment than the police jail.

From: http://www.riehlworldview.com/
Update

A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him (what does this mean?) in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or are alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.

Update: Forgot to mention that it was also relayed to me that Joran v d Sloot would not join the two Kalpoe brothers at the prison, but would remain where he is being held. When I asked if that was because of his status as a minor, there was no clear answer. It was suggested that it could be that, or that it was so his questioning could be continued.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


It's not a smear campaign, how can you call it that when their daughter is missing. Are you friends of the slimeballs, do you have kids, what is your problem.? I would do even more than that!! I am from Florida, and yes i would hang someone if they hurt my child...
 

1.  Have kids, would defend them to the death.

2.  Not friends of the v/d Sloots.  

3.  Do not see what purpose namecalling on all the networks for two days serves except to get it off one's chest.  

4.  willingness to hang somebody if they did something to your kids is why we have police and courts: to protect the innocent from mob rule.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 11:12:59 AM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong. It is distasteful and uncivilized.>>

Funny, I thought it was Aruban law enforcement who picked up, arrested, and placed the specter of murder charges over two black men who had absolutely no connection to NH.


TOUCHE'


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)


I'm betting they will take some of the horses...they'll be useful, for sure. I've always wondered how horses are transported by plane...but I'm VERY sure they have to be sedated. I've been working with Saddlebreds for a while though, so I may just be used to the moronic horses...but even mine (QuarterHorse-Paint...quiet) would need sedating. And a vet had BETTER be going with the group! That's a common sense safety measure...any time extensive trail riding in unfamiliar territory is involved, there should be an easy way to reach a vet. You never know...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: "CancunMole"

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)


would you mind either reposting or repeating caligirl's theory.  i have forgotten it.  thanks.   :D


Title: Touche
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:14:58 AM
... except them boys was not hanged.  the proseuctor got to the bottom of it and let them go un scathed.  

Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong. It is distasteful and uncivilized.>>

Funny, I thought it was Aruban law enforcement who picked up, arrested, and placed the specter of murder charges over two black men who had absolutely no connection to NH.


TOUCHE'


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


That's why I hate newsscrolls, they just confuse everbody. It's indeed two counts. Premeditated murder and manslaughter.

In the first count, the DA (Officier van Justitie) has to prove that the death of miss Holloway, if she is indeed found dead, was not an accident but deliberatly caused by someone and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

In the second count (like murder 2) this case will be treated as manslaughter under influence of drugs/alcohol

The difference for the suspect is that the sentences for manslaughter tend to be lower. The same as in the US.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 11:15:45 AM
a big HI to mbhs05!

 :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:16:36 AM
Hi bamajo!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 11:18:49 AM
I live about an hour outside of DC, I thought I would post this link for some levity and for the ironic factor.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/21/police.chief.ap/index.html


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
Can anyone here clear up/answer the contraditons and items highlighted below?

From: http://scaredmonkeys.com/
Suicide Watch for Joran?
June 20th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->

This is unconfirmed, but we received word that Joran is on a Suicide Watch after an unsuccessful attempted suicide last night.
This should not be taken as an admission of guilt, but he has been moved to the main prison, a much tougher environment than the police jail.



I can only address this part.  There was one report of a suicide yesterday in an Aruban paper...nothing anywhere else. The article as far as I can tell does not state whether it happened in the Jail or the Prison. Here is the link to the translated article.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=18603&highlight=&sid=d9c5e3b4ce58d3c887364d3deac7f4ec#18603


Title: Gerben
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


That's why I hate newsscrolls, they just confuse everbody. It's indeed two counts. Premeditated murder and manslaughter.

In the first count, the DA (Officier van Justitie) has to prove that the death of miss Holloway, if she is indeed found dead, was not an accident but deliberatly caused by someone and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

In the second count (like murder 2) this case will be treated as manslaughter under influence of drugs/alcohol

The difference for the suspect is that the sentences for manslaughter tend to be lower. The same as in the US.
 

Gerben you are a great asset to this site.  keep up the good work.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


That's why I hate newsscrolls, they just confuse everbody. It's indeed two counts. Premeditated murder and manslaughter.

In the first count, the DA (Officier van Justitie) has to prove that the death of miss Holloway, if she is indeed found dead, was not an accident but deliberatly caused by someone and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

In the second count (like murder 2) this case will be treated as manslaughter under influence of drugs/alcohol

The difference for the suspect is that the sentences for manslaughter tend to be lower. The same as in the US.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering about that.  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.


I believe there are horses in Aruba. :)

Also nothing has been stated that they are planning on doing mounted searches.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.


Good point...I just assume they'll be taking them, but it says that a lot of the horses are owned privately and the horse and rider pairs volunteer...so they might have a hard time getting over there. Are there horses on Aruba? A lot I mean...hmmm...they'll need some sane ones to do searches like that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 21, 2005, 11:21:33 AM
Well let's be hopeful today once the search party from Texas gets there - they will be able to get more insite.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: icey on June 21, 2005, 11:23:09 AM
>>>I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)<<<<<

If this is the "current story", it's just as bad as the others...  Why was she "hysterical"? Could it be because you raped her and/or drugged her up? You mean you did'nt call the police to help this "hysterical" girl??  You just walked away from her at what 2am???  

If it's true that the story has changed again, I think it will further prove to a judge that something is wrong here.  Too many lies, as documented by the suspects and the father.

icey


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:23:47 AM
Sorry  had to take a break and get some work done..and this may be off subject and may have been asked previusly..but does NH have any brothers or sisters??


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sorry  had to take a break and get some work done..and this may be off subject and may have been asked previusly..but does NH have any brothers or sisters??


Younger brother...10th grade. Older step brother.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


This is extraordinary for Greta, and I don't know quite what to make of it. Certainly, there is something more here than just professional interest. No doubt, there are discussions going on behind the scenes, and there are sources of information that have been given to Greta that she is not revealing -- at this point.

For a long time, I tuned out Greta. I found her fascination of various prosecutions -- like the Peterson prosecution -- almost ghoulish. But I came to realize that she is fascinated by the rules of evidence and the workings of the criminal justice system. After all, she is a highly-trained attorney, and at times comes across as a frustrated prosecutor. She probably would be happier as a district attorney than as a television personality.

But this case gives her a cause, and gives her an opportunity to use ALL of her skills.

She sticks to a case, long after many viewers have tuned out. In the past, I viewed this as a weakness. But, with the Holloway case, I now view it as a strength. She isn't going to get yanked-- like Geraldo -- by some antsy producer looking at declining ratings.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 11:24:59 AM
Morning, MBHS05..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)


would you mind either reposting or repeating caligirl's theory.  i have forgotten it.  thanks.   :D


Here you go:

Quote
CaliGirl Joined: 13 Jun 2005Posts: 309Location: SoCal    Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:01 pm    Post subject:    
 
:::kicks off her shoes and gets comfy::: Here's my five cents worth... (Not to start arguements but my view of the only know facts and mu imput to some theories) I still lean very close to Deepak having more to do with this anyone. I am sure somewhere in coversations Natalee might have been asked (since she was on a graduation trip) about where she is from, what are her plans, which lead to college (fact she is going to medical school). These island kids whether having money or not seem to not be going to top expensive schools. That could lead someone to believe her parents have money, she is intelligent, going places in life, who would not pay for her to come home? Far fetched thought about kidnapping but I still feel so much more involvement or mastermindedness in Deepak. He worked extra hours, the pictures seem to show them "trying" to fit in with their look (but as a female I know my clothes and they are a cheaper version than the "tight" group are sporting). He's not handed things obviously. Maybe jealous of Joran because let's face it, Joran has a lot going for him because of his looks, popularity and family. He's leaving for college. Deepak is 24 and everyone around him is leaving to the US, so it seems, to live his dream that he is sweating to work for. I just keep thinking he has far more to gain in kidnapping Natalee. Not to mention a FOXnews interview (which I can not find but some of us saw it at 1am my time) of a female friend of Deepak who was ODD to say the least. She would not, almost avoided, making a statement that she thought or new he was innocent. Friends usually make these statements. Joran has taken the focus of this investigation. Why, because he is a highly regarded man's son? What a perfect person to make a witness of a crime. He can't talk, his father reputation and his family whole livelyhood is at stake. I am getting at that I believe maybe they did drop Natalee off with Joran. Maybe had some thoughts in their heads (I am sure Joran before they night they met Natalee had told his friends of the beautiful tourist he met who wouldn't she's gorgeous and boys do that stuff) and came back. Everything unfolded, and they kidnapped her threatening Joran with his family's reputation, coming up with the "story" and dropping him off home. Joran cried to his father about it (we know he's a cry baby) and that is why elder Van der Sloot is a witness perhaps. Joran I am sure is guilty of something, maybe not doing anything to stop it and being quiet. The Deepak is not stupid. He intentionally told that story to the security quard. They knew who they were, they were all over the news before the 3 were arrested! Deepak has nothing to lose because he didn't have anything to begin with. I just can't believe a top student, looking forward to going to college in the US would blow it all for no reason.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sorry  had to take a break and get some work done..and this may be off subject and may have been asked previusly..but does NH have any brothers or sisters??


Younger brother...10th grade. Older step brother.


Thank you MBHS.. My prayers to her siblings as well as everyone else.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 11:27:16 AM
There are horses in Aruba.  There are also many areas with thick growths of cacti.  They look impossible to penetrate.  I've only driven by them, but they look like they would be ideal locations to hide something.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning, MBHS05..


Morning!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 11:28:07 AM
There is also a younger step or half sister on her father's side because there is a reference to her in one of the articles about him.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:28:46 AM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)


Agreed...but on the other hand if they CAN'T take all of the horses...a competent rider should be able to handle a different horse. It's better than nothing. I can see how it would be hard to get the original pairs out there.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
There is also a younger step or half sister on her father's side because there is a reference to her in one of the articles about him.


Thank you.. again sorry if this was asked already.!
I was watching Fox again a little bit ago..anyone else see the men on there that are experts in international law?


Title: Re: update
Post by: pinto on June 21, 2005, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
...  The Twittys arrived to find little had happened on the ground since it was noticed that Natalee was gone and they had to get the ball rolling immediately and they did.  Did you see the comment off the Scared Monkey main board I posted earlier form another LE person?  I am just observing that the effort may have gone too far and that is too bad.  The worst part is that even their effort was not enough to jump start the investigation  This is common in my experience overseas handling these cases.  Missing persons is a low priority until it is obvious that something bad has happened.   An island that depends on tourism sees lots of people go temporarily missing but to not take each one dead seriously is at their peril as this case has illustrated.


Very good post. You have to look at both sides here. We have the benefit of hindsight, of course, and we know something bad has happened. But at the time, to the Aruban LE, it was another dime-a-dozen missing girl. They can't call the FBI for every one of them, because usually it's a false alarm.

My brother works as a ski patrol and avalanche rescue guy. Kids (and others) are always getting lost on the mountain, and mothers freak out, and usually (99% of the time) it's nothing. But in an alpine environment, you can't wait. You have to check. You have to find them before dark. It's frustrating, though, for the patrollers because they spend (waste) a lot of time on situations that aren't dangerous. I'm sure this is how the Arubans felt initially.

Natalee's family, of course, knows that she wouldn't have missed the plane. The two groups weren't on the same page, and thus you end up with Natalee's family interrogating the VDSs, which compromised a criminal investigation (not faulting them, because the investigation hadn't started yet) and tipped off the VDSs. I think some of the Holloways' defensiveness and irritability is attributable to some guilt over this. (Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone there looking for her. It was a no-win situation.)

THe police obviously screwed this one up, because they probably still didn't think it was going to turn into a criminal investigation. With hindsight, I'm sure LE wouldn't have let the Holloways take this into their own hands.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)


Agreed...but on the other hand if they CAN'T take all of the horses...a competent rider should be able to handle a different horse. It's better than nothing. I can see how it would be hard to get the original pairs out there.

You are probably right. We'll just have to wait & see. Maybe things will be resolved today and there willl be no need for them to go. Let's hope & pray. Got to go back to work- will check in later- I'm addicted. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: "icey"
>>>I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)<<<<<

If this is the "current story", it's just as bad as the others...  Why was she "hysterical"? Could it be because you raped her and/or drugged her up? You mean you did'nt call the police to help this "hysterical" girl??  You just walked away from her at what 2am???  

If it's true that the story has changed again, I think it will further prove to a judge that something is wrong here.  Too many lies, as documented by the suspects and the father.

icey


None of this really makes sense with what we know to be true already.  We know she was with these 3.  We know they lied about this Holiday Inn story from the beginning (Joran actually going there and showing the exact spot where they dropped her off).  We know they lied about the security guards.  We know now that they have all started pointing fingers at each other as to who was the last one with her until Joran finally (supposedly) admits that he was the last one with her but left her sleeping on the beach.  None of it makes sense and none of the stories even add up.  I still believe at least Joran and Deepak, have my doubts about Satish, are completely involved in this entire mess.  BUT, that is only my opinion and I am certainly not an expert in this case... :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: a Troll on June 21, 2005, 11:33:59 AM
Any confirmation of this (from the comments section on the Greta topic on the front page):

crs Says:

June 21st, 2005 at 11:32 am
On the radio right now, it is said, Croes said that he saw the three boys drop off NH at the Holiday Inn and that is why he came under suspicion.


Title: Re: Gore
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "iquitos"
You have to look past the gore to get the info.  Thats why I have to watch FOX to glean the crumbs of real info they put out among the trash.   Warning, watching FOX may be emotionally gory too.  

Judging from their statements the last couple of days the Twittys are on a big time spear campaign against the v/d Sloots.  "Jug" used name calling, obnoxious slimeball, he turns my stomach, etc, to refer to the father.  This is a technique of personalization and demonization typical of the Southern lynch mob mentality  Hang em first and then try to figure out if they did anything wrong.  It is distasteful and uncivilized.  The southern charm mask has fallen.  Their motives are beyond reproach but their methods are geting pretty crude.  The funny thing is they are trying to get Joran to speak by blasting him on a TV he is not watching.  What is the point?    They will not pressure the Dutch legal system.  Is this an indirect way of putting the heat on the cops.  Or is it just a sensational and empty appeal?


It's not a smear campaign, how can you call it that when their daughter is missing. Are you friends of the slimeballs, do you have kids, what is your problem.? I would do even more than that!! I am from Florida, and yes i would hang someone if they hurt my child...


If you ever have a child missing (God forbid),  that will not give you a license to smear anybody except the people that did it.  In this case, while there are people under suspicion, it remains to be seen who the guilty party is.


It is not  a smear compaign!! Again, I would do anything to make him talk, guilty of not. They know what happened, they were with her.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:35:40 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


This is extraordinary for Greta, and I don't know quite what to make of it. Certainly, there is something more here than just professional interest. No doubt, there are discussions going on behind the scenes, and there are sources of information that have been given to Greta that she is not revealing -- at this point.

For a long time, I tuned out Greta. I found her fascination of various prosecutions -- like the Peterson prosecution -- almost ghoulish. But I came to realize that she is fascinated by the rules of evidence and the workings of the criminal justice system. After all, she is a highly-trained attorney, and at times comes across as a frustrated prosecutor. She probably would be happier as a district attorney than as a television personality.

But this case gives her a cause, and gives her an opportunity to use ALL of her skills.

She sticks to a case, long after many viewers have tuned out. In the past, I viewed this as a weakness. But, with the Holloway case, I now view it as a strength. She isn't going to get yanked-- like Geraldo -- by some antsy producer looking at declining ratings.


And maybe Greta van Susteren has a Dutch connection too which makes it even more interesting for her!  nonetheless I do not see how she can stick it out in Aruba for long.  Thereis just not that much to it or the case.  She is already flying back and forth.   But hey, Fox is picking up the tab.  Does anybody know if she has her own production crew as opposed to the one that is supporting the heads standing in front the palm trees.  I would say CNN and MSNBC have stronger reporters there (I mean reporters, not the big stars like Greta and Geraldo withtheir own shows).


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)


Agreed...but on the other hand if they CAN'T take all of the horses...a competent rider should be able to handle a different horse. It's better than nothing. I can see how it would be hard to get the original pairs out there.

You are probably right. We'll just have to wait & see. Maybe things will be resolved today and there willl be no need for them to go. Let's hope & pray. Got to go back to work- will check in later- I'm addicted. :)


Yes, let's hope so. Sorry ya'll for getting caught up on the horse thing...it's just that by now I've run out of ways to contribute information...but horses is one think I KNOW.
We're all addicted, no worries.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: "icey"
>>>I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)<<<<<

If this is the "current story", it's just as bad as the others...  Why was she "hysterical"? Could it be because you raped her and/or drugged her up? You mean you did'nt call the police to help this "hysterical" girl??  You just walked away from her at what 2am???  

If it's true that the story has changed again, I think it will further prove to a judge that something is wrong here.  Too many lies, as documented by the suspects and the father.

icey


Ah, but if this "new" version is true, it provides for the possible connection of why Steve Croes (friend to Deepak) has been detained.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:37:53 AM
aweee.. they just said on Fox the family has started a website about their missing child in Utah..  Findbrennan.org    I am not sure how to spell his name.. I cant see my tv.. its in the other room..and only listening. Dont mean to get off topic.. but IM sure thse parents are out of their minds as NH family and friends. Bless them all.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


This is extraordinary for Greta, and I don't know quite what to make of it. Certainly, there is something more here than just professional interest. No doubt, there are discussions going on behind the scenes, and there are sources of information that have been given to Greta that she is not revealing -- at this point.

For a long time, I tuned out Greta. I found her fascination of various prosecutions -- like the Peterson prosecution -- almost ghoulish. But I came to realize that she is fascinated by the rules of evidence and the workings of the criminal justice system. After all, she is a highly-trained attorney, and at times comes across as a frustrated prosecutor. She probably would be happier as a district attorney than as a television personality.

But this case gives her a cause, and gives her an opportunity to use ALL of her skills.

She sticks to a case, long after many viewers have tuned out. In the past, I viewed this as a weakness. But, with the Holloway case, I now view it as a strength. She isn't going to get yanked-- like Geraldo -- by some antsy producer looking at declining ratings.


And maybe Greta van Susteren has a Dutch connection too which makes it even more interesting for her!  nonetheless I do not see how she can stick it out in Aruba for long.  Thereis just not that much to it or the case.  She is already flying back and forth.   But hey, Fox is picking up the tab.  Does anybody know if she has her own production crew as opposed to the one that is supporting the heads standing in front the palm trees.  I would say CNN and MSNBC have stronger reporters there (I mean reporters, not the big stars like Greta and Geraldo withtheir own shows).


CNN and MSNBC both have crews and reporters totalling about 10 for each network. Fox has at least double that on the island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: "a Troll"
Any confirmation of this (from the comments section on the Greta topic on the front page):

crs Says:

June 21st, 2005 at 11:32 am
On the radio right now, it is said, Croes said that he saw the three boys drop off NH at the Holiday Inn and that is why he came under suspicion.


this is interesting.  which radio?  So Croes tells the cops he saw them drop her off at HI after they say they did not go there afterall.  Sweet.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the stream"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.

BTW, Good Morning everyone  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 11:39:54 AM
Hi all,  :)

Wow you are fast, hard to keep up with you guys :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Hi all,  :)

Wow you are fast, hard to keep up with you guys :wink:


Hello Hannie..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Hi all,  :)

Wow you are fast, hard to keep up with you guys :wink:


Mornin'!!   :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 11:41:44 AM
cancunmole, thanks for reposting caligirl's theory.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


This is extraordinary for Greta, and I don't know quite what to make of it. Certainly, there is something more here than just professional interest. No doubt, there are discussions going on behind the scenes, and there are sources of information that have been given to Greta that she is not revealing -- at this point.

For a long time, I tuned out Greta. I found her fascination of various prosecutions -- like the Peterson prosecution -- almost ghoulish. But I came to realize that she is fascinated by the rules of evidence and the workings of the criminal justice system. After all, she is a highly-trained attorney, and at times comes across as a frustrated prosecutor. She probably would be happier as a district attorney than as a television personality.

But this case gives her a cause, and gives her an opportunity to use ALL of her skills.

She sticks to a case, long after many viewers have tuned out. In the past, I viewed this as a weakness. But, with the Holloway case, I now view it as a strength. She isn't going to get yanked-- like Geraldo -- by some antsy producer looking at declining ratings.


And maybe Greta van Susteren has a Dutch connection too which makes it even more interesting for her!  nonetheless I do not see how she can stick it out in Aruba for long.  Thereis just not that much to it or the case.  She is already flying back and forth.   But hey, Fox is picking up the tab.  Does anybody know if she has her own production crew as opposed to the one that is supporting the heads standing in front the palm trees.  I would say CNN and MSNBC have stronger reporters there (I mean reporters, not the big stars like Greta and Geraldo withtheir own shows).


Looking back on it, I realize that Greta likes to follow THE ENTIRE PROSECUTORIAL CYCLE, regardless of declining ratings. She has done it before, and she's like a bulldog.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?


This is extraordinary for Greta, and I don't know quite what to make of it. Certainly, there is something more here than just professional interest. No doubt, there are discussions going on behind the scenes, and there are sources of information that have been given to Greta that she is not revealing -- at this point.

For a long time, I tuned out Greta. I found her fascination of various prosecutions -- like the Peterson prosecution -- almost ghoulish. But I came to realize that she is fascinated by the rules of evidence and the workings of the criminal justice system. After all, she is a highly-trained attorney, and at times comes across as a frustrated prosecutor. She probably would be happier as a district attorney than as a television personality.

But this case gives her a cause, and gives her an opportunity to use ALL of her skills.

She sticks to a case, long after many viewers have tuned out. In the past, I viewed this as a weakness. But, with the Holloway case, I now view it as a strength. She isn't going to get yanked-- like Geraldo -- by some antsy producer looking at declining ratings.


And maybe Greta van Susteren has a Dutch connection too which makes it even more interesting for her!  nonetheless I do not see how she can stick it out in Aruba for long.  Thereis just not that much to it or the case.  She is already flying back and forth.   But hey, Fox is picking up the tab.  Does anybody know if she has her own production crew as opposed to the one that is supporting the heads standing in front the palm trees.  I would say CNN and MSNBC have stronger reporters there (I mean reporters, not the big stars like Greta and Geraldo withtheir own shows).


Looking back on it, I realize that Greta likes to follow THE ENTIRE PROSECUTORIAL CYCLE, regardless of declining ratings. She has done it before, and she's like a bulldog.


Their ratings are not declining. There was a post last night that had them versus CNN and MSNBC and its 2:1 viewership.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "icey"
>>>I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)<<<<<

If this is the "current story", it's just as bad as the others...  Why was she "hysterical"? Could it be because you raped her and/or drugged her up? You mean you did'nt call the police to help this "hysterical" girl??  You just walked away from her at what 2am???  

If it's true that the story has changed again, I think it will further prove to a judge that something is wrong here.  Too many lies, as documented by the suspects and the father.

icey


None of this really makes sense with what we know to be true already.  We know she was with these 3.  We know they lied about this Holiday Inn story from the beginning (Joran actually going there and showing the exact spot where they dropped her off).  We know they lied about the security guards.  We know now that they have all started pointing fingers at each other as to who was the last one with her until Joran finally (supposedly) admits that he was the last one with her but left her sleeping on the beach.  None of it makes sense and none of the stories even add up.  I still believe at least Joran and Deepak, have my doubts about Satish, are completely involved in this entire mess.  BUT, that is only my opinion and I am certainly not an expert in this case... :lol:


How do we know that they have changed their story? Not one thing has been published by the Investigative team nor can it be by Dutch Law. The only story changes we know about are rumors and hearsay. [/b]


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinto on June 21, 2005, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "a Troll"
Any confirmation of this (from the comments section on the Greta topic on the front page):

crs Says:

June 21st, 2005 at 11:32 am
On the radio right now, it is said, Croes said that he saw the three boys drop off NH at the Holiday Inn and that is why he came under suspicion.


this is interesting.  which radio?  So Croes tells the cops he saw them drop her off at HI after they say they did not go there afterall.  Sweet.


Whoops. I guess he was in on the original story. Didn't get the memo that it was no longer operational.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Oh of course a competent rider can ride almost any horse, but I would imagine that their horses and owners are trained for situations such as this one. JMHO   :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Well let's be hopeful today once the search party from Texas gets there - they will be able to get more insite.


But you guys have te remember that these Texans are guests on the Island, like any turist and most dutch officials, exept for the governor and his advisors. The search- and rescueteam probably will get some 'informal' help from the Aruban government. But if they break the law by trespassing and harrassing the locals they will be removed from the Island.

/edited for spelling, wich by the way is way better than your dutch!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:46:51 AM
There is a jugde now on Fox.. saying NH parents probbaly arnt going to be sucessful in filing a lawsuit although she dont blame them for wanting to do so. Also the other men.. the international law experts said it probably wouldnt happen either.. and it woudnt fly here in the US either.. that stinks.. those guys were on earlier. Damn


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LemonDrop on June 21, 2005, 11:47:03 AM
Quote


Their ratings are not declining. There was a post last night that had them versus CNN and MSNBC and its 2:1 viewership.


Hi, I'm new here!   :D  Boy this thread moves fast. Anyway, I agree with you that Fox News ratings are high- I think that the fact Greta stays with a story till it's completed helps her with the ratings. No one likes an incomplete story, at least I don't!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Oh of course a competent rider can ride almost any horse, but I would imagine that their horses and owners are trained for situations such as this one. JMHO   :wink:


But something is always better than nothing! Ahhhh I don't speak internet. JMHO?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote


Their ratings are not declining. There was a post last night that had them versus CNN and MSNBC and its 2:1 viewership.


Hi, I'm new here!   :D  Boy this thread moves fast. Anyway, I agree with you that Fox News ratings are high- I think that the fact Greta stays with a story till it's completed helps her with the ratings. No one likes an incomplete story, at least I don't!


Hello there Lemondrop..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 21, 2005, 11:49:23 AM
The animals must be accompanied by a U.S. Origin Health Certificate issued by a veterinarian authorized by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and endorsed by a Veterinary Services (VS) veterinarian. The certificate shall contain the name and address of the consignor and the consignee, and complete identification of the animals to be exported. Additional certification shall include: CERTIFICATION STATEMENTS1. The United States is free from contagious ovine pleuropneumonia (Mycoplasma mycoides), East coast fever, foot-and-mouth disease, heartwater, louping ill, Nairobi disease, peste des petits ruminants, rinderpest and sheep pox. 2. The animal(s) was (were) born and raised in the United States or were resident for not less than 90 days. 3. In the herd of origin no animal(s) with clinical signs of ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP, Maedi-Visna) or scrapie has (have) been detected during the past 3 years. No goat from a herd of inferior health status was introduced into this (these) herd(s) during this period. 4. The animal(s) is (are) in good health, physically sound and free from clinical signs of infectious disease including freedom from any symptoms of caseous lymphadenitis, ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP, Maedi-Visna), and scrapie. 5. The animal or the animals as a group were isolated under official supervision fromother (groups of) animals, and they remained so for not less than 21 days prior to the date of export. Each animal has been identified with official eartag, breed, sex, and age.6. The animals were treated on , which is within 48 hours prior to shipment, with , a product that provides broad spectrum coverage against internal parasites and is considered to be ovicidal and larvacidal. They were also treated at the same time with _________________________ _____________________, a product approved for use against external parasites. There have been no cases of resistance to these products. 7. The animals have been vaccinated within 6 months prior to exportation against hemorrhagic septicemia, Clostridium septicum, Clostridium chauvoei and leptospirosis with a 5-way vaccine for Leptospira canicola, L. grippotyphosa, L. hardjo, L. pomona, and L. icterohaemorrhagiae.
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8. The farms of origin are participants of the National Scrapie Eradication Program. In the farms of origin no case of scrapie has been diagnosed in the last 3 years. The animals are not scrapie-positive nor have they been exposed to scrapie, nor have they ever been in an infected flock, source flock, or trace flock nor are they the progeny, parent, or sibling of any scrapie-positive animal. TEST REQUIREMENTSAll animals must be tested with negative results as prescribed below within 30 days prior to export. The same tests may be repeated in Aruba. All test results to qualify the animals must be included.1. Tuberculosis: Intradermal caudal fold test using PPD tuberculin. 2. Brucellosis: Plate or tube agglutination test at a 1:50 dilution. 3. Bluetongue: One test AGID (Agar-gel immunodiffusion) test or ELISA. Animals that test positive may be further tested by either PCR or virus isolation conducted at the National Veterinary Services Laboratories. A negative PCR or virus isolation test will override a positive ELISA or AGID and animals will be released based on these negative results. 4. OPP/Maedi-Visna: One AGID test. EMBARKATION STATEMENTS At the port of embarkation, a VS port veterinarian shall attach to the Origin Health Certificate and the original laboratory test results, the Certificate of Inspection of Export Animals (VS Form 17-37) showing: 1. The name and address of the consignor. 2. The name and address of the consignee. 3. The number, sex and types of animals to be shipped. 4. A statement that the animals have been given a careful veterinary inspection at the port of embarkation and were found free from evidence of communicable disease, tumors, fresh wounds or wounds in the process of healing, or ectoparasites within 24 hours of exportation. OTHER  INFORMATION

1. In order to import live animals into Aruba, the consignee must have the Health Certificate and/or related test results approved by the Director of the Veterinary Service of Aruba before the animals are shipped to Aruba.
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2. The U.S. Origin Health Certificate is valid for 30 days from the date of issuance although this can be extended to 45 days if the animals have remained healthy and in isolation from other animals and the accredited veterinarian so certifies. 3. No animal, semen, fertilized ova, products, or equipments other than those listed on the import permit may be included in the shipment. 4. The animals must not transit any country under animal health quarantine in route to Aruba. In case of extreme necessity, it is indispensable to have a special permit from the Director of Veterinary Services of Aruba.


Title: Re: update
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: "pinto"
Quote from: "iquitos"
...  The Twittys arrived to find little had happened on the ground since it was noticed that Natalee was gone and they had to get the ball rolling immediately and they did.  Did you see the comment off the Scared Monkey main board I posted earlier form another LE person?  I am just observing that the effort may have gone too far and that is too bad.  The worst part is that even their effort was not enough to jump start the investigation  This is common in my experience overseas handling these cases.  Missing persons is a low priority until it is obvious that something bad has happened.   An island that depends on tourism sees lots of people go temporarily missing but to not take each one dead seriously is at their peril as this case has illustrated.


Very good post. You have to look at both sides here. We have the benefit of hindsight, of course, and we know something bad has happened. But at the time, to the Aruban LE, it was another dime-a-dozen missing girl. They can't call the FBI for every one of them, because usually it's a false alarm.

My brother works as a ski patrol and avalanche rescue guy. Kids (and others) are always getting lost on the mountain, and mothers freak out, and usually (99% of the time) it's nothing. But in an alpine environment, you can't wait. You have to check. You have to find them before dark. It's frustrating, though, for the patrollers because they spend (waste) a lot of time on situations that aren't dangerous. I'm sure this is how the Arubans felt initially.

Natalee's family, of course, knows that she wouldn't have missed the plane. The two groups weren't on the same page, and thus you end up with Natalee's family interrogating the VDSs, which compromised a criminal investigation (not faulting them, because the investigation hadn't started yet) and tipped off the VDSs. I think some of the Holloways' defensiveness and irritability is attributable to some guilt over this. (Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone there looking for her. It was a no-win situation.)

THe police obviously screwed this one up, because they probably still didn't think it was going to turn into a criminal investigation. With hindsight, I'm sure LE wouldn't have let the Holloways take this into their own hands.


thanks for the comment pinto.  i once bird dogged a case like this in argentina.  a local kid came into the embassy to report that an American  friend who was hitching around south america had not arrived in Buenos Aires as scheduled.  I kind of blew him off with the maybe she changed her mind and did not let you know,  He retorted very earnestly that she was not that way.  I took him seriously, ran her picture and a note in the local press, and somebody called the next day to report seeing a morgue shot of her in a newspaper.  she had been abducted, beaten, tied up, and left to drown at the beach.  Father came down and we tried to build a fire under the cops and trace leads but we could not get anybody to focus.  this was in the late '80's  I learned never to blow off a missing person report or let the local copes do it either.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Oh of course a competent rider can ride almost any horse, but I would imagine that their horses and owners are trained for situations such as this one. JMHO   :wink:


But something is always better than nothing! Ahhhh I don't speak internet. JMHO?


JMHO= Just My Humble Opinion  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


That's why I hate newsscrolls, they just confuse everbody. It's indeed two counts. Premeditated murder and manslaughter.

In the first count, the DA (Officier van Justitie) has to prove that the death of miss Holloway, if she is indeed found dead, was not an accident but deliberatly caused by someone and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

In the second count (like murder 2) this case will be treated as manslaughter under influence of drugs/alcohol

The difference for the suspect is that the sentences for manslaughter tend to be lower. The same as in the US.


you are quite knowledgeable.. i have a question.. what if the gang of three are on drugs at the time of death..would those be mitigating circumstances?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: blfit on June 21, 2005, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)


I'm betting they will take some of the horses...they'll be useful, for sure. I've always wondered how horses are transported by plane...but I'm VERY sure they have to be sedated. I've been working with Saddlebreds for a while though, so I may just be used to the moronic horses...but even mine (QuarterHorse-Paint...quiet) would need sedating. And a vet had BETTER be going with the group! That's a common sense safety measure...any time extensive trail riding in unfamiliar territory is involved, there should be an easy way to reach a vet. You never know...


I've been riding horses for 20yrs and training them for 15....I can't imagine they are taking them....what an adjustment that would be for those animals!!!  Not to say that they aren't though...who knows...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Oh of course a competent rider can ride almost any horse, but I would imagine that their horses and owners are trained for situations such as this one. JMHO   :wink:


But something is always better than nothing! Ahhhh I don't speak internet. JMHO?


JMHO= Just My Humble Opinion  :wink:


I should probably get a dictionary for these things...sigh. I miss so much cause I dont' speak internet.
But thatnks for clearing it up, anyway!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LemonDrop on June 21, 2005, 11:56:26 AM
Quote


you are quite knowledgeable.. i have a question.. what if the gang of three are on drugs at the time of death..would those be mitigating circumstances?


I hope not!  Taking drugs is entirely voluntary- unless the gang of three was forced under gunpoint to take drugs, I don't consider that a mitigating circumstance...nor do I consider alcohol but then again that's my opinion.   :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 11:56:34 AM
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????


Title: Equine Search
Post by: Peaches on June 21, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
Perhaps someone who's really fast with their fingers can re-post the link to the equine search group.  I read some of their site this morning and it answers many of the questions that have arisen in the last 15 minutes.  Thanks.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tmwsiy on June 21, 2005, 11:58:14 AM
Try http://www.netlingo.com/ :c)

Quote from: "mbhs05"

I should probably get a dictionary for these things...sigh. I miss so much cause I dont' speak internet.
But thatnks for clearing it up, anyway!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)


I'm betting they will take some of the horses...they'll be useful, for sure. I've always wondered how horses are transported by plane...but I'm VERY sure they have to be sedated. I've been working with Saddlebreds for a while though, so I may just be used to the moronic horses...but even mine (QuarterHorse-Paint...quiet) would need sedating. And a vet had BETTER be going with the group! That's a common sense safety measure...any time extensive trail riding in unfamiliar territory is involved, there should be an easy way to reach a vet. You never know...


I've been riding horses for 20yrs and training them for 15....I can't imagine they are taking them....what an adjustment that would be for those animals!!!  Not to say that they aren't though...who knows...


Oh, it would be an adjustment-but I read the requirements and both horses and riders have to be trained for this. I'm thinking sane, well trained animals will be fine in that situation. Honestly, it isn't much worse than what some show horses go through once a week during show season. (Not a showing fan...)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 11:59:05 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
There is a jugde now on Fox.. saying NH parents probbaly arnt going to be sucessful in filing a lawsuit although she dont blame them for wanting to do so. Also the other men.. the international law experts said it probably wouldnt happen either.. and it woudnt fly here in the US either.. that stinks.. those guys were on earlier. Damn


lets take the FOX "experts" with a grain of salt and go with what our Monkeys expert Gerben tols us a few pages back.  Victims can become part of the case.  That is the way the Dutch do it.  We also had the attorney in Aruba and Beth tell us that on Fox last night.  Fox is just blowing steam.  Don't they listen to their own reports from the scene, surely not.  Now, as to wheter this gets them inside the facts of case i doubt it but it will, as somebody said last night, give them access to procedural aspects.  Gerben comment?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????


Morning wench..  A search and resuse team will be arriving in Aruba tonight.. they are from Texas.. 17 searchers and 3 dogs..bringing high tech sonar equipment also. I hard this all this morning on FOX.. and as the day goes.. FOX been updating all day!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????

1.  New developments/confirmations = NO
2.  Suicide attempt = Nothing confirmed, only reported by one aruban paper
3.  Another arrest - something about arresting someone with the initial "A" unconfirmed.

Nothing really confirmed new that I am aware of but I may have missed something.  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"

and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

you are quite knowledgeable.. i have a question.. what if the gang of three are on drugs at the time of death..would those be mitigating circumstances?


i've thought about that rob.  what if (and i believe that they all were) one of the reasons the stories are so muddled and varied is that night they were all under the influence of something, alcohol, drugs, etc. and those 3 don't really remember the sequence of events.  and on top of that, joran may have blocked out exactly what happened?  it is possible for him to do that.  could be another reason why there has been no true confession.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: "clevfan1234"
The animals must be accompanied by a U.S. Origin Health Certificate issued by a veterinarian authorized by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and endorsed by a Veterinary Services (VS) veterinarian. The certificate shall contain the name and address of the consignor and the consignee, and complete identification of the animals to be exported. Additional certification shall include: CERTIFICATION STATEMENTS1. The United States is free from contagious ovine pleuropneumonia (Mycoplasma mycoides), East coast fever, foot-and-mouth disease, heartwater, louping ill, Nairobi disease, peste des petits ruminants, rinderpest and sheep pox. 2. The animal(s) was (were) born and raised in the United States or were resident for not less than 90 days. 3. In the herd of origin no animal(s) with clinical signs of ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP, Maedi-Visna) or scrapie has (have) been detected during the past 3 years. No goat from a herd of inferior health status was introduced into this (these) herd(s) during this period. 4. The animal(s) is (are) in good health, physically sound and free from clinical signs of infectious disease including freedom from any symptoms of caseous lymphadenitis, ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP, Maedi-Visna), and scrapie. 5. The animal or the animals as a group were isolated under official supervision fromother (groups of) animals, and they remained so for not less than 21 days prior to the date of export. Each animal has been identified with official eartag, breed, sex, and age.6. The animals were treated on , which is within 48 hours prior to shipment, with , a product that provides broad spectrum coverage against internal parasites and is considered to be ovicidal and larvacidal. They were also treated at the same time with _________________________ _____________________, a product approved for use against external parasites. There have been no cases of resistance to these products. 7. The animals have been vaccinated within 6 months prior to exportation against hemorrhagic septicemia, Clostridium septicum, Clostridium chauvoei and leptospirosis with a 5-way vaccine for Leptospira canicola, L. grippotyphosa, L. hardjo, L. pomona, and L. icterohaemorrhagiae.
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8. The farms of origin are participants of the National Scrapie Eradication Program. In the farms of origin no case of scrapie has been diagnosed in the last 3 years. The animals are not scrapie-positive nor have they been exposed to scrapie, nor have they ever been in an infected flock, source flock, or trace flock nor are they the progeny, parent, or sibling of any scrapie-positive animal. TEST REQUIREMENTSAll animals must be tested with negative results as prescribed below within 30 days prior to export. The same tests may be repeated in Aruba. All test results to qualify the animals must be included.1. Tuberculosis: Intradermal caudal fold test using PPD tuberculin. 2. Brucellosis: Plate or tube agglutination test at a 1:50 dilution. 3. Bluetongue: One test AGID (Agar-gel immunodiffusion) test or ELISA. Animals that test positive may be further tested by either PCR or virus isolation conducted at the National Veterinary Services Laboratories. A negative PCR or virus isolation test will override a positive ELISA or AGID and animals will be released based on these negative results. 4. OPP/Maedi-Visna: One AGID test. EMBARKATION STATEMENTS At the port of embarkation, a VS port veterinarian shall attach to the Origin Health Certificate and the original laboratory test results, the Certificate of Inspection of Export Animals (VS Form 17-37) showing: 1. The name and address of the consignor. 2. The name and address of the consignee. 3. The number, sex and types of animals to be shipped. 4. A statement that the animals have been given a careful veterinary inspection at the port of embarkation and were found free from evidence of communicable disease, tumors, fresh wounds or wounds in the process of healing, or ectoparasites within 24 hours of exportation. OTHER  INFORMATION

1. In order to import live animals into Aruba, the consignee must have the Health Certificate and/or related test results approved by the Director of the Veterinary Service of Aruba before the animals are shipped to Aruba.
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2. The U.S. Origin Health Certificate is valid for 30 days from the date of issuance although this can be extended to 45 days if the animals have remained healthy and in isolation from other animals and the accredited veterinarian so certifies. 3. No animal, semen, fertilized ova, products, or equipments other than those listed on the import permit may be included in the shipment. 4. The animals must not transit any country under animal health quarantine in route to Aruba. In case of extreme necessity, it is indispensable to have a special permit from the Director of Veterinary Services of Aruba.


All of these things have more than likely been taken care of at first mention of going there and I am sure all the animals (if any) to arrive have their passports and microchips up to date. If you take a peek at their website you will see they travel quite a bit including to Asia to help in the search and rescue of the Tsunami victims. I have been traveling with my pets to Europe for about 15 yrs. and I do the same. Pretty much the rule of thumb these days. They are only bring dogs this time but the same rules apply.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 21, 2005, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


IF they are taking horses, they would likely be transported by plane, although that's very expensive.

The plane has individual tie areas, not like a stock trailer, more like a slant or straight-load horse trailer with partitions between horses.

Nervous horses may need a mild sedative, but if they're calm and used to it, maybe not. Usually horses are fed lightly (hay only, no grain) before being transported, with hay being offered in transit. Some like to oil the horses to prevent colic.

If there is lots of cactus and prickly brush, I don't know if horses are the best way to search these areas.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????


Morning wench..  A search and resuse team will be arriving in Aruba tonight.. they are from Texas.. 17 searchers and 3 dogs..bringing high tech sonar equipment also. I hard this all this morning on FOX.. and as the day goes.. FOX been updating all day!


Thank you, Angie...and bless you for your involvement in the 911 nightmare, btw.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 21, 2005, 12:02:48 PM
CancunMole, okay, if we go back to the original story and say that none of them have changed their stories from the original (since we don't have proof fact that they have) then they are still proven liars by video of the entrance that night and the other MB students being at the pool.  So we are still back at square one with 3 boys being the last ones seen with her and lying about what they did with her.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????


Morning wench..  A search and resuse team will be arriving in Aruba tonight.. they are from Texas.. 17 searchers and 3 dogs..bringing high tech sonar equipment also. I hard this all this morning on FOX.. and as the day goes.. FOX been updating all day!


Thank you, Angie...and bless you for your involvement in the 911 nightmare, btw.


Thank you wench.. and what a nightmare..! I guess  I am a caring person..and I wish as we all do there is something we can do for the NH family and friends..  I know they are in all of our prayers!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "icey"
>>>I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway. (This more-or-less supports CaliGirl's theory)<<<<<

If this is the "current story", it's just as bad as the others...  Why was she "hysterical"? Could it be because you raped her and/or drugged her up? You mean you did'nt call the police to help this "hysterical" girl??  You just walked away from her at what 2am???  

If it's true that the story has changed again, I think it will further prove to a judge that something is wrong here.  Too many lies, as documented by the suspects and the father.

icey


None of this really makes sense with what we know to be true already.  We know she was with these 3.  We know they lied about this Holiday Inn story from the beginning (Joran actually going there and showing the exact spot where they dropped her off).  We know they lied about the security guards.  We know now that they have all started pointing fingers at each other as to who was the last one with her until Joran finally (supposedly) admits that he was the last one with her but left her sleeping on the beach.  None of it makes sense and none of the stories even add up.  I still believe at least Joran and Deepak, have my doubts about Satish, are completely involved in this entire mess.  BUT, that is only my opinion and I am certainly not an expert in this case... :lol:


How do we know that they have changed their story? Not one thing has been published by the Investigative team nor can it be by Dutch Law. The only story changes we know about are rumors and hearsay. [/b]


As always Cancun, I have to agree with you!  :wink:

Hello everyone (((Hugs)))

BTW..only the Deepak have some mastmindedness is in my theory. lol Other than that..no..not my theory.


Title: Re: Equine Search
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Perhaps someone who's really fast with their fingers can re-post the link to the equine search group.  I read some of their site this morning and it answers many of the questions that have arisen in the last 15 minutes.  Thanks.


Peaches--here you go http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 12:06:08 PM
i dont know, but these guys just dont look like hardcore drug users too me, i.e. addicts.... i do however think they would drug someone....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 12:06:21 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, Monkeys.  Okay, I turned off the TV and computer after watching Greta (and Dash - Great job, hon).  Are there any new develoments/confirmations???  Was there really a suicide attempt?  Another arrest?  Anything at all????


Morning wench..  A search and resuse team will be arriving in Aruba tonight.. they are from Texas.. 17 searchers and 3 dogs..bringing high tech sonar equipment also. I hard this all this morning on FOX.. and as the day goes.. FOX been updating all day!


Thank you, Angie...and bless you for your involvement in the 911 nightmare, btw.


I hate feeling so helpless.  I think about Natalee's family all the time and wish there was something I could do.  I just hope that all of our prayers and feelings of hope are felt by them.

Thank you wench.. and what a nightmare..! I guess  I am a caring person..and I wish as we all do there is something we can do for the NH family and friends..  I know they are in all of our prayers!


Title: Re: Equine Search
Post by: TG on June 21, 2005, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Perhaps someone who's really fast with their fingers can re-post the link to the equine search group.  I read some of their site this morning and it answers many of the questions that have arisen in the last 15 minutes.  Thanks.


http://www.texasequusearch.org


Title: HI cameras
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
CancunMole, okay, if we go back to the original story and say that none of them have changed their stories from the original (since we don't have proof fact that they have) then they are still proven liars by video of the entrance that night and the other MB students being at the pool.  So we are still back at square one with 3 boys being the last ones seen with her and lying about what they did with her.


Early on we heard the camera outside was down and only the lobby was up.  I would not put too much stock in the HI camera story.  If there were any.  The sneaky ones probably know where the are.  HI has liability issues in this too.  YOu are right however that the little scene would have been noticed if they dropped at the front door, not so if they dropped her at the front gate.  And we have the story of the guy who say two guys forcing a woman kicking and screaming into a car in front of HI.  We jsut don't know much.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 12:08:01 PM
Hi Cali  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nisxan on June 21, 2005, 12:08:03 PM
Speaking of legal experts, has anyone heard if they clarified whether or not prisoners are allowed to speak to each other and if the claims of the jailhouse talk with one of the brothers really happened?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:09:30 PM
Hi Cali..  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "Rob"
first degree murder in the us is premediated....not an accident , wonder if that is the same..?


That's why I hate newsscrolls, they just confuse everbody. It's indeed two counts. Premeditated murder and manslaughter.

In the first count, the DA (Officier van Justitie) has to prove that the death of miss Holloway, if she is indeed found dead, was not an accident but deliberatly caused by someone and that the murderer can be considered sane when he killed her.

In the second count (like murder 2) this case will be treated as manslaughter under influence of drugs/alcohol

The difference for the suspect is that the sentences for manslaughter tend to be lower. The same as in the US.


you are quite knowledgeable.. i have a question.. what if the gang of three are on drugs at the time of death..would those be mitigating circumstances?


Yes it can be, if miss Holloways death was accidental (overdose/fall etc.)

But, like always, it's the severity of the case that determens the demands of punishment that are being made by the DA and maybe the ruling of the court.


Title: comparing notes
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Speaking of legal experts, has anyone heard if they clarified whether or not prisoners are allowed to speak to each other and if the claims of the jailhouse talk with one of the brothers really happened?


See news article case update from Amigoe reposted earlier today.  They say it is not allowed and that they are taking precautions.   Maybe they allowed it earlier so they could monitor it.  Gerben?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
i dont know, but these guys just dont look like hardcore drug users too me, i.e. addicts.... i do however think they would drug someone....


I don't think hardcore--but u never know.  I knew people and saw it at clubs in the U.S-using ectasy--they don't look like hardcore drug users--but get them out clubbin-different story.

Another point-my cousin was known to be a straight A student, had a full ride scholarship to a college--got married had two kids...he did go through very rough times in life.  But the result of this--he was murdered--we still don't know who or why--BUT we did find out he was a user and dealer of ectasy--

Can't judge a book by its' cover.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
i dont know, but these guys just dont look like hardcore drug users too me, i.e. addicts.... i do however think they would drug someone....


i'm not talking hardcore, just recreational use.  if they had been drinking, and/or smoking pot, and/or taking ecstasy, that would/could hinder their judgement and recollection of the sequence of events.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: blfit on June 21, 2005, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "blfit"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)


I'm betting they will take some of the horses...they'll be useful, for sure. I've always wondered how horses are transported by plane...but I'm VERY sure they have to be sedated. I've been working with Saddlebreds for a while though, so I may just be used to the moronic horses...but even mine (QuarterHorse-Paint...quiet) would need sedating. And a vet had BETTER be going with the group! That's a common sense safety measure...any time extensive trail riding in unfamiliar territory is involved, there should be an easy way to reach a vet. You never know...


I've been riding horses for 20yrs and training them for 15....I can't imagine they are taking them....what an adjustment that would be for those animals!!!  Not to say that they aren't though...who knows...


Oh, it would be an adjustment-but I read the requirements and both horses and riders have to be trained for this. I'm thinking sane, well trained animals will be fine in that situation. Honestly, it isn't much worse than what some show horses go through once a week during show season. (Not a showing fan...)


And more power to them if they are taking them....what a great organization!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
CancunMole, okay, if we go back to the original story and say that none of them have changed their stories from the original (since we don't have proof fact that they have) then they are still proven liars by video of the entrance that night and the other MB students being at the pool.  So we are still back at square one with 3 boys being the last ones seen with her and lying about what they did with her.


It has been stated (on TV more than once, if one listened) that the only video camera at the HI is at the front desk. There was one story that the outside camera at the HI was broken. Either way, no camera outside to confirm/deny their story. I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 12:20:57 PM
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 12:21:05 PM
Remember the comment, "We can't just go in there like cowboys!"  I love that all these Texans are going over to do an equine search.  Guess we can go in there like cowboys after all.


Title: Re: comparing notes
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 21, 2005, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "nisxan"
Speaking of legal experts, has anyone heard if they clarified whether or not prisoners are allowed to speak to each other and if the claims of the jailhouse talk with one of the brothers really happened?


See news article case update from Amigoe reposted earlier today.  They say it is not allowed and that they are taking precautions.   Maybe they allowed it earlier so they could monitor it.  Gerben?


Yes, it's not allowed and in The Netherlands commonly not possible, you have to yell trough thick concrete walls to do that. As a rule here: one cell, one suspect. If have never seen a police holding cell in Aruba from the inside so I have to guess here, wich I don't like.

Police strategy is another thing, it can be 'arranged' to get some more 'informal' information. However these (possibly taped) talks are commonly not considered evidence in court, because bragging is not a crime here. In one case I know of police used an 'fake' prisoner (and talked to others) to get some info and confession from someone who was incarcerated in suspicion of causing a massive fireworksdisaster here. His 'confession' to the infomer was trown faster out of court than the DA could say 'Enschede'.

/edited for details


Title: Same Q
Post by: SL on June 21, 2005, 12:21:52 PM
I haven't seen an answer to this.. Maybe someone would be kind enuf to PM me this??


On many blogs, about various subjects) I have noticed the word "TRACKBACK."

When there is a "trackback," the numbers of trackbacks are listed. When I paste the trackback into the address bar, this message appears:
'URL needed'

What is a trackback. What is the purpose of a trackback?

SL


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?

Funny how we here things differently.  What I heard was that some of the students were in the Jaccuzzi until 5:00am that morning...not in the lobby.


Title: HI cameras
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
CancunMole, okay, if we go back to the original story and say that none of them have changed their stories from the original (since we don't have proof fact that they have) then they are still proven liars by video of the entrance that night and the other MB students being at the pool.  So we are still back at square one with 3 boys being the last ones seen with her and lying about what they did with her.


It has been stated (on TV more than once, if one listened) that the only video camera at the HI is at the front desk. There was one story that the outside camera at the HI was broken. Either way, no camera outside to confirm/deny their story. I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


I think you have it right re the cameras Cancun mole.  I have been in that hotel too and it is a maze and the entrance is set back from the road.  There may also be car access from the side.  If any of these guys had already taken liberties with Natalee in an impaired state as reported initially, they might drop her where least likely to be observed.  From there it is anybody's guess.  

If somebody wants to monitor the 95.1 radio report for the day, it is on now.  just started.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


i can't verify at this moment, but i think i read it on the TA post that was posted by someone's mother?  dash's maybe?  i don't remember.  i've read so much, and i do specifically remember reading that information on a post somewhere by someone's parent.  i do apologize for being so vague, but i just don't remember where i read it.  is that a false report?  i humbly apologize if it is.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?


lesson learned......


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


I didn't hear that--but the interview with the girl and guy from MB said a whole bunch of them sat around the pool until 5am--not in the lobby.


Title: Re: HI cameras
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 21, 2005, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
And we have the story of the guy who say two guys forcing a woman kicking and screaming into a car in front of HI.  We jsut don't know much.

(Excerpt)

Where did you hear this story???


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Remember the comment, "We can't just go in there like cowboys!"  I love that all these Texans are going over to do an equine search.  Guess we can go in there like cowboys after all.

Actually they are just gonna see how cowboys do it now.


Title: Re: Go to the internet cafe
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: "jagz2u"
Quote from: "MominTN"
Do an interview at the internet cafe and see who goes in there


MominTn,
I like the way you think.  An interview at the internet cafe seems very appropo.  Good next step for Greta.


alot of arubas residents go on setarnet thru cell phones/calling cards also.
my friend finds both expensive ...sometimes she spends $30/40 a day chatting/etc... the internet cafe is good for long time usage i guess.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:27:49 PM
Well, I am happy to hear that the investigation is actually composed of a "team" comprised of Aruban, Dutch and FBI....all working together and getting along well. (per Trapenberg) This is a much better picture than what was originally thought.


Title: Re: HI cameras
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "iquitos"
And we have the story of the guy who say two guys forcing a woman kicking and screaming into a car in front of HI.  We jsut don't know much.

(Excerpt)

Yeah where did you hear that?!!!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Well, I am happy to hear that the investigation is actually composed of a "team" comprised of Aruban, Dutch and FBI....all working together and getting along well. (per Trapenberg) This is a much better picture than what was originally thought.


I agree.. I am listening to that now as well Kerin!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 21, 2005, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


i can't verify at this moment, but i think i read it on the TA post that was posted by someone's mother?  dash's maybe?  i don't remember.  i've read so much, and i do specifically remember reading that information on a post somewhere by someone's parent.  i do apologize for being so vague, but i just don't remember where i read it.  is that a false report?  i humbly apologize if it is.


I was just curious because I haven't heard that from any of my friends. THere were a lot of people at the pool, but they weren't waiting on her, or anything.


Title: Re: Go to the internet cafe
Post by: katya on June 21, 2005, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "jagz2u"
Quote from: "MominTN"
Do an interview at the internet cafe and see who goes in there


MominTn,
I like the way you think.  An interview at the internet cafe seems very appropo.  Good next step for Greta.


alot of arubas residents go on setarnet thru cell phones/calling cards also.
my friend finds both expensive ...sometimes she spends $30/40 a day chatting/etc... the internet cafe is good for long time usage i guess.


Internet cafes are very common outside the US, and not particularly sinister, most people do not have computers in their homes. They are usually full of kids chatting, doing homework or downloading music. Also they are used by a lot of tourists, as well.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Well, I am happy to hear that the investigation is actually composed of a "team" comprised of Aruban, Dutch and FBI....all working together and getting along well. (per Trapenberg) This is a much better picture than what was originally thought.


What are they saying? anything new?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:30:20 PM
FOUND IT!!!!  THIS IS WHERE I GOT THE 5:00 A.M. IN THE LOBBY

http://www.bwcitypaper.com/  look under the title "Naked Birmingham".  Here is the reprinted article:

 

Publishers Notebook  
 

 


 
 
 
By Chuck Geiss write the author
 
June 16, 2005

Our plane touched down Friday evening, June 10, on the island of Aruba. As we approached the hotel where Natalee Holloway had stayed during her five-day vacation, yellow and white ribbons were evident everywhere. On June 5 the island had exhausted its supply of yellow ribbons, so white ribbons joined yellow ones on lampposts, street signs, and flagpoles. They were visible reminders of a tragic story that many island locals hoped would disappear.


 Naked Birmingham
 
 Recent
 
 
 
 

 
   
 
 
 
Since the day after she vanished, a group of closely knit friends had gathered with Natalee Holloway's family in Aruba. Initially, they came to provide emotional support, but soon found themselves acting as the lead detectives in an investigation to find the 18-year-old girl. Within hours of arriving on the island, they were troubled to learn that island police were tentative about beginning any investigation, since missing-person cases require a 24-hour waiting period. Police assured the family that Natalee would show up soon, exclaiming, "Things like this happen all the time, people love the island so much, and they just don't want to go home."

Friends of the family immediately took matters into their own hands; within hours they learned the identity of the three men last seen with Natalee at a local nightclub during the early hours of Monday, May 30. They conducted informal interviews at the home of 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot who, in the company of police officials, readily admitted to having been with Natalee on the previous evening before dropping her off at her hotel at 2:30 a.m. Later, it was learned that surveillance tapes from the hotel revealed no such activity. Moreover, friends who waited for Natalee in the lobby until 5 a.m. said she never even arrived at the hotel. Believing that Van Der Sloot was lying, the family and their friends pegged him as the leading suspect a mere 12 hours after Natalee's disappearance.

As flyers were posted around the island, the search for Natalee began in earnest. Efforts concentrated around the hotel and at the lighthouse on the north end of the island, where Van Der Sloot, 18-year old Satish Kalpoe, and his brother, 21-year old Deepak, said they had taken Natalee after leaving a local downtown nightclub. As an avalanche of leads and anonymous tips flowed in, friends of the family mobilized into an investigative task force armed with cell phones, two-way radios, and a fleet of rental cars. Psychics, prevalent on the island, began demanding the attention of the family. Each told family associates that "she is in a dark place, and near water." One claimed that Natalee's soul was sitting next to her. "Ask her what the name of her dog is," a family associate asked. "She is crying," she told him, "she is too upset to talk." During that early period of the family's investigation, attempts to get the police involved were unsuccessful. According to a friend of the family, the Police Commissioner actually suggested that they go to Carlos & Charlie's (the bar Natalee disappeared from) on Wednesday night. "It is Ladies Night," he said, "and I am sure she will be there."

As the search became more desperate and the tips became more bizarre, missions into the island's darkest barrios, including the red-light district and assorted crack houses, were orchestrated. The editor of the island newspaper informed the family that a group of drug dealers were holding Natalee for a $10,000 ransom (an odd amount considering that the posted reward was in excess of $50,000). A late-night rendezvous between the drug dealers and family friends was arranged, and after a wild series of events an American girl was rescued by the police, who called to report that "they are 98-percent sure they have Natalee." The family raced to the police station only to discover that the female in custody had dark hair, brown eyes, weighed about 130 pounds, and looked to be about 45 years old. Natalee had blonde hair, blue eyes, weighed 110 pounds, and was 18 years old. That was the first of many letdowns and false leads.

On Day 5, police arrested two security guards, leaving the family perplexed as to why the investigation had not yet led to the persons last seen with Natalee: Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. From all accounts, the three have bad reputations. Joran Van Der Sloot is a son of privilege; his father has been appointed to a judgeship on the island and rumors swirled that he was using his influence to impede the investigation. There were varying descriptions of Joran, ranging from model student athlete to casino playboy (he met Natalee in a casino). He is tall, handsome, and looks older than his age. His friends, Satish and Deepak, also sons of wealth and privilege, were described to me by a local islander "as bad men who mistreat women." One scenario has the trio involved in a seedy scam that involves meeting attractive female tourists, learning the date of their departure, and taking advantage of them on their final night in town.

The family was informed, however, that paying $1,000 to a certain official might make him work harder to find Natalee. Friends of the family concluded about that official that "no sum of money could make him smart enough to help us." Finally, a team of FBI agents arrived in Aruba. Island police arrested the three boys last seen with Natalee, but offered no information about their investigation. Despite their frustration, the family maintained a positive spin for the media, saying "they are pleased with the process." Behind the scenes, that was hardly the case.

The lobby of the Aruba Holiday Inn was a peculiar mix of scantily clad, well-sunscreened hotel guests, members of the media, and people engaged in the search for Holloway. Those involved in the search had established a war room in the hotel, but most of them hung out in the lobby in between search activities because the war room was too depressing. Eleven days after Natalee's disappearance, the flow of tips and leads had abated, mainly because family friends had become adept at screening them. Efforts were concentrated on getting scuba divers in the water, defining specific locations for organized searches, and staying visible to police and government officials. Natalee's mother, Beth, spent her days visiting schools and churches, speaking with children and handing out wrist bracelets made by friends in Birmingham.

"The only thing we have going for us is maintaining a high profile and letting these people know that we aren't leaving without Natalee," said one family friend, "otherwise it's just another missing girl." Indeed, it was clear that virtually everyone on the island wanted the family and friends to go home because they were jeopardizing the tourist economy, hindering the local drug trade, and drawing intense media scrutiny to local police and government officials who have no experience managing this kind of case.

Late Friday evening, June 10, rumors circulated that police had taken members of the family to the lighthouse to identify a body. On television, CNN reported that Natalee was dead, and both CNN and Fox News were reporting a confession "that something bad has happened to Natalee." Both stories were without merit. The next morning, CNN was still reporting that Natalee was dead, but Fox had retracted its story about a confession. At 10 a.m., Vivian Van Der Biezen, spokesperson for the Attorney General, held a press conference at the hotel to report "they are at a very critical point in the investigation and they will neither confirm nor deny information being reported from other sources." This was typical of the information being provided to the family, in that it had absolutely no substance.

On Saturday night, Geraldo Rivera conducted a live interview with Beth Holloway Twitty [Natalee's mother], George Twitty [her step-father], and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The interview went smoothly until the Prime Minister revealed a fact undisclosed to the Holloways—that the police found blood in one of the cars impounded during the investigation (a lab test later proved this to be false). Twitty took the opportunity to criticize Oduber. "This is typical of what we're going through. They have information that we know nothing about and this is the first time we're hearing it. You hear it before we do." Off camera, Oduber was having a total meltdown.

By Sunday morning, June 12, Natalee's parents were modifying their media strategy. Worried early on that any criticism of the investigation would jeopardize their relationship with the police department, they ultimately concluded that things couldn't get much worse. After 14 days with no answers, it seemed that the media was their only hope of getting any results. Government officials continued to defend the investigation's credibility to the media.

Two weeks after Natalee Holloway was reported missing, I left the island. Understandably, her family won't leave without her, and by now police and government officials on the island are keenly aware of that fact. My lasting impression of Aruba is the license tag on the rear of the car that brought me to the airport. The slogan at the top of the plate read "One Happy Island." &


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 12:30:56 PM
i also have a question.. does anyone remember some incidences outside of the hyatt? possibliy involving renovation workers at the allegro? this was before natalee went missing, maybe like in the one -two week period before.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


If this is what you are referring to:

Quote
arlee
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject:    

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Quote:
Moreover, friends who waited for Natalee in the lobby until 5 a.m. said she never even arrived at the hotel.


CancunMole responded: This is new. Everything that I've seen posted indicated that there were MB students out by the pool, not in the lobby.


Mole, there were students all over the hotel property, inside and out. There was a group of 10-20 students mingling, coming and going, out by the pool from before 1:30 a.m. til after 5 a.m. A great many students did not go to bed at all that night but moved in small groups here and there.

The pool group's story was posted so often because their presence seemed to contradict the boys' story of dropping Nat off near the pool area
.


Why was nothing said about being in the lobby before 6/19. Sorry, but as I said, you can't see the driveway from the pool and actually, I don't think you can see the lobby from the pool, so why would they have used the pool as the story.

Also, per O'Reilly, it is not the FBI who has told anyone from MB to keep quiet.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?
 

GREAT POST PROFESSOR.  ONE THING THOUGH, ONE OF THE GUARDS WAS A FOREIGNER TOO.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:32:07 PM
yeah i didnt hear anything about them waiting for her, because dash said that they didnt assume that anything was wrong or what not..even when she didnt show up for check in for plane, they thought she just slept in..it wasnt until they couldnt find her that morning that they went looking for her


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Well, I am happy to hear that the investigation is actually composed of a "team" comprised of Aruban, Dutch and FBI....all working together and getting along well. (per Trapenberg) This is a much better picture than what was originally thought.


What are they saying? anything new?


Nothing new Kelly.. just speaking of the authorities there..and how they all are getting along and supposedly more will be sent also..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 12:33:46 PM
Hey Kerin.. whadem up homie? lmao

Sorry, I had to loft.. can you believe I actually had to do some work? *sigh* How dare they expect me to work! lol :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Well, I am happy to hear that the investigation is actually composed of a "team" comprised of Aruban, Dutch and FBI....all working together and getting along well. (per Trapenberg) This is a much better picture than what was originally thought.


What are they saying? anything new?


Not really. Just kind of going through the same things. But Trapenberg was on talking about how the LE are working together and about the rumor of the Holloway lawsuit.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?


Your post actually reminds me of small southern towns in my neck of the woods.  We just moved from a town with population of 660.  We never locked our doors (wasn't sure where the key actually was), left the keys in the car and yes even our personal belongings in our vehical at times.  There was never a need to worry because of so little crime.  There was one police officer who only worked part time because of the little crime.  When there was a crime, they would usually bring in the county cops because our man was so inexperienced.  Folks have been in this community for a long time and no matter what they do, everyone has a long standing reputation that is upheld.  Everyone is sympathetic to their neighbors but weary of outsiders---outsiders being those who were not born and raised in the community.  People come and go, due to the agricultural nature  of the town and there is a feeling of us and them.  If an outsider, one who has not been in town for generations, is guilty of something--there is the same mindset that "they are not from around here,"  which hopefully helps clean the stain left on the town.  My point is that many of us should be able to relate to your post.  It is of a small town mentality, in my opinion.  Many of us have seen it for ourselves.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?[/quote]

I saw this a few times last week as well...and can't remember where it was written.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 21, 2005, 12:35:17 PM
Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
yeah i didnt hear anything about them waiting for her, because dash said that they didnt assume that anything was wrong or what not..even when she didnt show up for check in for plane, they thought she just slept in..it wasnt until they couldnt find her that morning that they went looking for her


Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?[/quote]

This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 12:40:39 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "Professor"
.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?


Your post actually reminds me of small southern towns in my neck of the woods.  We just moved from a town with population of 660.  We never locked our doors (wasn't sure where the key actually was), left the keys in the car and yes even our personal belongings in our vehical at times.  There was never a need to worry because of so little crime.  There was one police officer who only worked part time because of the little crime.  When there was a crime, they would usually bring in the county cops because our man was so inexperienced.  Folks have been in this community for a long time and no matter what they do, everyone has a long standing reputation that is upheld.  Everyone is sympathetic to their neighbors but weary of outsiders---outsiders being those who were not born and raised in the community.  People come and go, due to the agricultural nature  of the town and there is a feeling of us and them.  If an outsider, one who has not been in town for generations, is guilty of something--there is the same mindset that "they are not from around here,"  which hopefully helps clean the stain left on the town.  My point is that many of us should be able to relate to your post.  It is of a small town mentality, in my opinion.  Many of us have seen it for ourselves.


Couldn't agree more! I married into a small town/rural situation. Been here almost 20 years - myown mother-in-law still thinks of me as an outsider :roll:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Hey Kerin.. whadem up homie? lmao

Sorry, I had to loft.. can you believe I actually had to do some work? *sigh* How dare they expect me to work! lol :lol:


{{{Cali}}}} Workin? I am just chillaxin with my homies at the crib.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:41:46 PM
angie, you are assumming that her roommates went to their room and went to bed.  they could've been at the pool until the wee hours and then when they got to the room and she was not there, they could've assummed that she was in someone else's room.  perhaps they had the key?  you know hotels usually only issue two keys per room - if it were me and i had the key and knew that my roommate that went off did not have the key, she would either find me, or sleep in another friend's room.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
i also have a question.. does anyone remember some incidences outside of the hyatt? possibliy involving renovation workers at the allegro? this was before natalee went missing, maybe like in the one -two week period before.....


It was reported that a camera at the Hyatt had picked up a young woman walking along the beach. FYI. The Hyatt and the Allegro are separated by a street-like thoroughfare.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.

Now we know. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?[/quote]

This has already been discussed.  It has been reported that there was a lot of room switching and not all the kids went to bed.  Some stayed by the pool all night and some in other rooms.  Nat's roomies didn't think anything of it.  They figured she was in someone else's room.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: billsfan960 on June 21, 2005, 12:42:48 PM
I am listening to Top 95 Aruba radio right now (streaming).

The problem is that it is not in English. They are continually commenting on the case but I can't understand.

Is there anyone  that is listening also that can translate please????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?[/quote]
 I was on a trip my senior year to Florida.. Disney World.. we had 4 girls to a room.. boys stayed on the floor below..Not that it didnt keep us from mingling.. we snuck and did things.. but a roomate surely would have noticed if one of us wernt in bed in the morning.. Im not being rude.. I was curious about this??????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?[/quote]

PM, i believe it was either dash or mbhs that said she had 2 other roommates.  there were a total of 3 girls in that room.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "sarah"
Quote from: "Professor"
.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?


Your post actually reminds me of small southern towns in my neck of the woods.  We just moved from a town with population of 660.  We never locked our doors (wasn't sure where the key actually was), left the keys in the car and yes even our personal belongings in our vehical at times.  There was never a need to worry because of so little crime.  There was one police officer who only worked part time because of the little crime.  When there was a crime, they would usually bring in the county cops because our man was so inexperienced.  Folks have been in this community for a long time and no matter what they do, everyone has a long standing reputation that is upheld.  Everyone is sympathetic to their neighbors but weary of outsiders---outsiders being those who were not born and raised in the community.  People come and go, due to the agricultural nature  of the town and there is a feeling of us and them.  If an outsider, one who has not been in town for generations, is guilty of something--there is the same mindset that "they are not from around here,"  which hopefully helps clean the stain left on the town.  My point is that many of us should be able to relate to your post.  It is of a small town mentality, in my opinion.  Many of us have seen it for ourselves.


Couldn't agree more! I married into a small town/rural situation. Been here almost 20 years - myown mother-in-law still thinks of me as an outsider :roll:


Same here, 18 years, raised my son there.  He's ok, I was still just a visitor.  I believe this was a big reason the Twitty's weren't taken seriously when they got to Aruba.  Natalee's uncle said they couldn't get anything done until they got the media involved.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?


This has already been discussed.  It has been reported that there was a lot of room switching and not all the kids went to bed.  Some stayed by the pool all night and some in other rooms.  Nat's roomies didn't think anything of it.  They figured she was in someone else's room.[/quote]

Thanks Wench. thats eassly understandable..as room switching went on on my senior trip. I didnt mean to ask about it again if it were mentioned previously!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "Rob"
i dont know, but these guys just dont look like hardcore drug users too me, i.e. addicts.... i do however think they would drug someone....


I don't think hardcore--but u never know.  I knew people and saw it at clubs in the U.S-using ectasy--they don't look like hardcore drug users--but get them out clubbin-different story.

Another point-my cousin was known to be a straight A student, had a full ride scholarship to a college--got married had two kids...he did go through very rough times in life.  But the result of this--he was murdered--we still don't know who or why--BUT we did find out he was a user and dealer of ectasy--

Can't judge a book by its' cover.....


It will not be hard to tell if they are "hard core users."  After the amount of time they have spent in jail now, I would assume that withdrawal symptoms would begin to show.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:45:41 PM
Have we ever heard (facts) if there were actually GPS systems put on any of the cars confiscated in this case? I thought I saw mention of it but it doesn't add up to me.


Title: Very Interesting!
Post by: Sachae on June 21, 2005, 12:46:14 PM
Also, I believe the Croes fellow may be there for the reward money. He may have allowed Joran to use the smaller boat owned by the party boat company to take care of the body. He may not have helped in anyother way and may be held for his own protection and for his testimony. He is not charged with any crime thus far. So yes, the reward may have brougth out a witness.

This makes sense, because I could not figure out how he was involved, (2) of them are much younger than him.  I also believe the two brother's got caught up in Joran lies, when they backed him up by saying that they all (3) of them dropped her off at The Holiday Inn, I don't think they realized what had happenned to Natalee at that time. I do believe that he brought her out to the ocean, on one of the smaller boats, on the side where the currents are so strong that anything dropped into the water is swept away by the strong currents, knowing that no one would ever find her. Don't forget he would know the island very well, and he would know that the other side of the island if anything was put into the water the current would wash it back to shore. That is what happens when you sometimes not all the time let a 17 year old act like a man when really he is still a youngster, and needs guidance. From what I have read, I do believe that his parents gave him too much freedom.
Why was he still out at a club at that hour on a school night?
They gave him his own apartment adjoined to their house with his own private entrance, therefore could he come and go as he pleased?
It was clearly stated and with pictures photographed with his father at the casino, with a drink in his hand - legal age for both is 18.
J.M.OP.


Title: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:46:15 PM
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: billsfan960 on June 21, 2005, 12:47:11 PM
Does anyone out there listen  to Top 95 Aruba radio right now (streaming).

The problem is that it is not in English. They are continually commenting on the case but I can't understand.

Is there anyone that is listening also that can translate please????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 12:47:16 PM
Yes, lots of room switching and entire groups that stayed up all night since it was the final night.  Everyone thought she was just with another group.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:47:53 PM
I just heard on FOX that Greta will be on LIVE tonight at 10:00 pm eastern time if anyone is interested.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?


This has already been discussed.  It has been reported that there was a lot of room switching and not all the kids went to bed.  Some stayed by the pool all night and some in other rooms.  Nat's roomies didn't think anything of it.  They figured she was in someone else's room.


Thanks Wench. thats eassly understandable..as room switching went on on my senior trip. I didnt mean to ask about it again if it were mentioned previously!!![/quote]

What's wrong with you, Angie?  Can't you be here 24/7????  LOL.  Don't worry, I can barely keep up here myself.  I'm sure I've asked questions that have already been answered many times.  


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: wwizard on June 21, 2005, 12:48:17 PM
just stopped in to see what condition your condition is in


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: hope on June 21, 2005, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Langosta on June 21, 2005, 12:49:54 PM
Billsfan....i'm a Bills fan TOO!!!  you from Bflo?


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

They are saying Natalee signed into her AOL email account on June 7th?  I wonder if it was a family member who did this?


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?
 

GREAT POST PROFESSOR.  ONE THING THOUGH, ONE OF THE GUARDS WAS A FOREIGNER TOO.


which one is foriegn
 iquitos if you know?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Kelly"
yeah i didnt hear anything about them waiting for her, because dash said that they didnt assume that anything was wrong or what not..even when she didnt show up for check in for plane, they thought she just slept in..it wasnt until they couldnt find her that morning that they went looking for her


Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


ALl i heard wsa that everyone was assuming that she was with another group, in another room etc..and didnt think anything of it..when she was not there in the morning! SInce everyone was up late that night still hangin out, they didnt think anything of it


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: "billsfan960"
Does anyone out there listen  to Top 95 Aruba radio right now (streaming).

The problem is that it is not in English. They are continually commenting on the case but I can't understand.

Is there anyone that is listening also that can translate please????


(im sorry my electricity went out so i didnt hear the whole thing but here....) yes they are just saying that this case has taken a weird turn,a lso that if its true taht Joran has taken the Lie detector and that there wanting to interrogate Jug Twitty becuase he has had some "weird" actions towards police/fbi(not sure which exactly) but that it is something that is wanted by them to be done......they are confirming that Joran DID take  a lie detector test...mayeb it acn not be used in court....but it can help to lead in a case...also they are askign why cant the parents of NH take the test also?? you know just to be ont he safe side...possibly 7-june that NH had gone online to check her meial..not sure if it was her but her meail was opene on June-7.....with arubas help we can possibly take this to an end and not drag any longer on this story...maybe authorities keep pressing these guys...but nmaybe they dont have anythign to say because we dont know if they are guilty of anything...and if they are we need to get them to confess already and finish this if they dont know anythign then lets go on w/ the case and finish everything already


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

They are saying Natalee signed into her AOL email account on June 7th?  I wonder if it was a family member who did this?


YEP, SAID IT TWICE.


Title: Re: Very Interesting!
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: "Sachae"
I do believe that he brought her out to the ocean, on one of the smaller boats, on the side where the currents are so strong that anything dropped into the water is swept away by the strong currents, knowing that no one would ever find her. Don't forget he would know the island very well, and he would know that the other side of the island if anything was put into the water the current would wash it back to shore. That is what happens when you sometimes not all the time let a 17 year old act like a man when really he is still a youngster, and needs guidance. From what I have read, I do believe that his parents gave him too much freedom.
J.M.OP.


Do you think a 17 year old, under the influence of alcohol (presumably) would do this alone??  This is where I always have to picture an adult advising him....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?


This has already been discussed.  It has been reported that there was a lot of room switching and not all the kids went to bed.  Some stayed by the pool all night and some in other rooms.  Nat's roomies didn't think anything of it.  They figured she was in someone else's room.


Thanks Wench. thats eassly understandable..as room switching went on on my senior trip. I didnt mean to ask about it again if it were mentioned previously!!!


What's wrong with you, Angie?  Can't you be here 24/7????  LOL.  Don't worry, I can barely keep up here myself.  I'm sure I've asked questions that have already been answered many times.  [/quote]

LMAO Wench.. cant be here 24/7.. ha ha  Have a teenage son myself who is 15.. and actually have to leave in an hour or so to take him to his first day of work! Im only here alot today because my housework and laundry is caught up and we are having left overs for dinner..lol  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: "CancunMole"
Quote from: "Rob"
i also have a question.. does anyone remember some incidences outside of the hyatt? possibliy involving renovation workers at the allegro? this was before natalee went missing, maybe like in the one -two week period before.....


It was reported that a camera at the Hyatt had picked up a young woman walking along the beach. FYI. The Hyatt and the Allegro are separated by a street-like thoroughfare.



i always wonder if the hyatt actually caught something on tape....im aware of the set up of the hyatt and allegro...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 12:53:19 PM
iquitos, do you think that  could be the FBI or aruban officials checking her email account?  

also, just curious, what does your name mean? (if it has meaning).


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 12:53:24 PM
I have my grown kids aol passwords.  

If she uses her parents acounts, they probably have her password also.  Checking e-mail could mean something or nothing.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?


The only thing I remember hearing is what Dash said last night about the 8 AM check that morning. Can anyone remember an earlier notification that NH was missing?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: billsfan960 on June 21, 2005, 12:53:41 PM
Not from Buffalo.
Just New Jersey.

dad was a Jets fan

I grew up loving OJ (Bills)
Ironic huh!

Can anybody translate the gossip on Aruba Top95???
Please!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Hey Kerin.. whadem up homie? lmao

what up wangsta.....OFM   BTW cali girl, yes
  i am still searching for my tglasses...LOL


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:54:14 PM
The AOL login is probably a rumor but, if not, yes...it could be the family. Or it could also be the family contacted AOL and requested a "look" at her account. 21 days and little to no news...Holloways probably said "the approach we have taken so far hasn't worked..let's go to Plan B". They still have done nothing to break the law.


Title: Re: Very Interesting!
Post by: Langosta on June 21, 2005, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Sachae"
I do believe that he brought her out to the ocean, on one of the smaller boats, on the side where the currents are so strong that anything dropped into the water is swept away by the strong currents, knowing that no one would ever find her. Don't forget he would know the island very well, and he would know that the other side of the island if anything was put into the water the current would wash it back to shore. That is what happens when you sometimes not all the time let a 17 year old act like a man when really he is still a youngster, and needs guidance. From what I have read, I do believe that his parents gave him too much freedom.
J.M.OP.


Do you think a 17 year old, under the influence of alcohol (presumably) would do this alone??  This is where I always have to picture an adult advising him....



i think the "DJ" had the boat.  remember the post a loooooooooong time ago about the 2.5 mile boat ride?


Title: MICKEY
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:54:56 PM
I THINK MICKEY IS THE ONE FROM ONE OF THE ENGLISH ISLANDS.  THAT IS WHY HIS ENGLISH IS SO GOOD AND HE TALKS WITH THAT ISLAND LILT.  

Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Here is an observation, that can explain a lot about the handling of this case.

Aruba is a closed society. Residents there don’t need to lock their doors at night, because their neighbors have been neighbors for 3 and 4 generations. To cheat a neighbor, or to steal from a neighbor could result in a tarnish upon a family’s reputation that would be passed on to one’s children, and to one’s children’s children. And so a highly trained police department is not necessary in a closed society. That might explain the lack of expertise in the Aruban police investigation.

But there is also a dark side to such a closed society. Tourists come and go. And, in a closed society, there is a tendency to develop an us-and-them attitude about tourists. Us being the native Arubans, and Them being the American and Venezuelan and Dutch tourists who visit the island. We might expect to see a closing of the ranks, as this case proceeds, and in fact we are already seeing it. Already, there are gushes of sympathy for the poor, beleaguered Paul van der Sloot, and for the “stain upon his family’s reputation.” Already there are gushes of compassion for the poor Joran van der Sloot, following reports that he may have been heard sobbing in his jail cell, or that he might have tried to hang himself. (A cowardly act, if true, that would deny the family of Natalee Holloway any answers into the disappearance of their lovely daughter.)

Of course, there is also professed sympathy for the family of a girl who went missing on the island. But the death or disappearance of a young American tourists is somehow no more important than the “stain upon a family’s honor,” or loss of tourist revenues.

I don’t think that this is unique with Aruba. I think we see the same behavior in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, and in other closed societies. In the Virgin Islands, American tourists with no motive and iron-clad alibis were convicted for a crime that had been committed by a native. In Saudi Arabia, American citizens were arrested for a bombing that had been committed by Saudis. And in Aruba two security guards were rounded up, to take the fall for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only exception in this case was that the two security guards were native Arubans. But they obviously didn’t count, since they were not of the middle class.

What is the bottom line? The bottom line is that a tourist in one of these closed societies needs to be aware that he or she does NOT have full standing as a resident, and will never have the undivided sympathy of the residents, in the event something bad happens. So, why not come to Key West, or to Panama City?
 

GREAT POST PROFESSOR.  ONE THING THOUGH, ONE OF THE GUARDS WAS A FOREIGNER TOO.


which one is foriegn
 iquitos if you know?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: billsfan960 on June 21, 2005, 12:55:43 PM
Thanks to AmericaninAruba


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Langosta on June 21, 2005, 12:55:50 PM
YES!  very ironic!!  considering the whole AFC East rivalry and all...bet that made for a FUN Sunday around your house.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 12:55:53 PM
-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.[/quote]

Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back[/quote]

BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?[/quote]


Yes, I believe so. It keeps the American public involved, also it keeps the Aruban government on their toes.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

They are saying Natalee signed into her AOL email account on June 7th?  I wonder if it was a family member who did this?


YEP, SAID IT TWICE.



Ok we got it ..sometimes, if the posts go real fast, it moves to the next page and people may have not been able to read that post that you stated..so that is the reason people may ask after you had posted it...kinda hard at times to keep up with the posts!


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 12:56:16 PM
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: "wwizard"
just stopped in to see what condition your condition is in



guy u r a funny one
i bet you did weell
in highschool..
ican only speak for myself,
but i missed you!


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 12:56:33 PM
Delete[/quote]


Title: IQUITOS
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
iquitos, do you think that  could be the FBI or aruban officials checking her email account?  

also, just curious, what does your name mean? (if it has meaning).


IQUITOS IS IN PERU


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: katya on June 21, 2005, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


Making the Arubans angry isn't going to help with that!

I have to say I am appalled by some of the comments made about Aruba on the internet. I know it has been said a million times, but LE is not allowed, by law, to discuss the case publically and anything said may damage the case. People screaming about stonewalling or incompetence are completely off base. Just the fact that they have four suspects being held leads one to believe that the case is progressing.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 12:56:55 PM
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Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: hope on June 21, 2005, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: "Scarlet"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?


No it will just inflame the American's more and the people from Aruba


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 12:57:13 PM
-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.[/quote]

Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back[/quote]

BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?[/quote]



It got us to this point!!!  I believe it to be.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 12:57:15 PM
I think the Arubians are misinterpreting Mr. Twitty's "arrogance."  He is totally frustrated by the lack of information, hence the hiring of an attorney to help them get info.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 12:57:36 PM
So FOM...even if there WAS a full moon, without your glasses you wouldn't know? (I believe full moon is tomorrow...have to check)


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 12:57:57 PM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?



I signed into my daughters aol account a few minutes ago, does that prove that my daughter was on aol at that moment?

Unless you say that "she signed in on HER personal computer, that no other person has access to".. well, I don't think the above is proof of anything.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 12:58:06 PM
Quote from: "Scarlet"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?




It got us to this point!!!  I believe it to be.


WHAT POINT?  I THOUGHT THE INVESTIGATION WAS GOING NOWHERE.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: writergal on June 21, 2005, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
The AOL login is probably a rumor but, if not, yes...it could be the family. Or it could also be the family contacted AOL and requested a "look" at her account. 21 days and little to no news...Holloways probably said "the approach we have taken so far hasn't worked..let's go to Plan B". They still have done nothing to break the law.


   If it's a rumor, why would they repeat it? It doesn't enhance their credibility as a news source. If it's not a rumor, what's their source for the information?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
["Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


This is a GREAT question - have not seen it before.  Weren't there 3 or 4 girls in that room?


This has already been discussed.  It has been reported that there was a lot of room switching and not all the kids went to bed.  Some stayed by the pool all night and some in other rooms.  Nat's roomies didn't think anything of it.  They figured she was in someone else's room.


Thanks Wench. thats eassly understandable..as room switching went on on my senior trip. I didnt mean to ask about it again if it were mentioned previously!!!


What's wrong with you, Angie?  Can't you be here 24/7????  LOL.  Don't worry, I can barely keep up here myself.  I'm sure I've asked questions that have already been answered many times.  


LMAO Wench.. cant be here 24/7.. ha ha  Have a teenage son myself who is 15.. and actually have to leave in an hour or so to take him to his first day of work! Im only here alot today because my housework and laundry is caught up and we are having left overs for dinner..lol  :lol:[/quote]

LOL, Angie.  My kids are 14 and 17 and my bf has been out of town for weeks and just got home.  That's why I wasn't allowed to watch the news all weekend...lol.  I have definately neglected work, housework and kids because of this, but I just can't help myself.  I don't watch regular tv anymore, just news and I haven't chatted with friends are done anything on the computer that wasn't related to NH.  I just wish I could do SOMETHING to help.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?


no shit...
ps iquitos my pap is getting good but not good enough to count on it officially....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: AnnieMW1 on June 21, 2005, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Kelly"
yeah i didnt hear anything about them waiting for her, because dash said that they didnt assume that anything was wrong or what not..even when she didnt show up for check in for plane, they thought she just slept in..it wasnt until they couldnt find her that morning that they went looking for her


Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


ALl i heard wsa that everyone was assuming that she was with another group, in another room etc..and didnt think anything of it..when she was not there in the morning! SInce everyone was up late that night still hangin out, they didnt think anything of it


I am not a Nat basher by any means, but all of this is Dash' account only.  We have heard nothing from her actual roommates - and I think it's highly possible that there is more to this than meets the eye.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "billsfan960"
Does anyone out there listen  to Top 95 Aruba radio right now (streaming).

The problem is that it is not in English. They are continually commenting on the case but I can't understand.

Is there anyone that is listening also that can translate please????


(im sorry my electricity went out so i didnt hear the whole thing but here....) yes they are just saying that this case has taken a weird turn,a lso that if its true taht Joran has taken the Lie detector and that there wanting to interrogate Jug Twitty becuase he has had some "weird" actions towards police/fbi(not sure which exactly) but that it is something that is wanted by them to be done......they are confirming that Joran DID take  a lie detector test...mayeb it acn not be used in court....but it can help to lead in a case...also they are askign why cant the parents of NH take the test also?? you know just to be ont he safe side...possibly 7-june that NH had gone online to check her meial..not sure if it was her but her meail was opene on June-7.....with arubas help we can possibly take this to an end and not drag any longer on this story...maybe authorities keep pressing these guys...but nmaybe they dont have anythign to say because we dont know if they are guilty of anything...and if they are we need to get them to confess already and finish this if they dont know anythign then lets go on w/ the case and finish everything already



ok americaninaruba, so you confirm this? It has been floatin round the posts for a few and we didnt know exactly where it was coming from..so on the radio you are listenin to, they are confirming this? anything else?


Title: Very Interesting!
Post by: Sachae on June 21, 2005, 12:59:33 PM
Also, I believe the Croes fellow may be there for the reward money. He may have allowed Joran to use the smaller boat owned by the party boat company to take care of the body. He may not have helped in anyother way and may be held for his own protection and for his testimony. He is not charged with any crime thus far. So yes, the reward may have brougth out a witness.

This makes sense, because I could not figure out how he was involved, (2) of them are much younger than him.  I also believe the two brother's got caught up in Joran lies, when they backed him up by saying that they all (3) of them dropped her off at The Holiday Inn, I don't think they realized what had happenned to Natalee at that time. I do believe that he brought her out to the ocean, on one of the smaller boats, on the side where the currents are so strong that anything dropped into the water is swept away by the strong currents, knowing that no one would ever find her. Don't forget he would know the island very well, and he would know that the other side of the island if anything was put into the water the current would wash it back to shore. That is what happens when you sometimes not all the time let a 17 year old act like a man when really he is still a youngster, and needs guidance. From what I have read, I do believe that his parents gave him too much freedom.
Why was he still out at a club at that hour on a school night?
They gave him his own apartment adjoined to their house with his own private entrance, therefore could he come and go as he pleased?
It was clearly stated and with pictures photographed with his father at the casino, with a drink in his hand - legal age for both is 18.
J.M.OP.


Title: Re: IQUITOS
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bamajo"
iquitos, do you think that  could be the FBI or aruban officials checking her email account?  

also, just curious, what does your name mean? (if it has meaning).


IQUITOS IS IN PERU


thank you.  i knew i had heard the name before and it was driving me crazy.

i had another comment, but i forgot.   :?


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?



I signed into my daughters aol account a few minutes ago, does that prove that my daughter was on aol at that moment?

Unless you say that "she signed in on HER personal computer, that no other person has access to".. well, I don't think the above is proof of anything.

EXACTLY, Catriana. Unless there was a webcam of her sitting at the PC then this is nothing more than one more rumor.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:01:05 PM
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "iquitos"
-IF THEY WERE WAITING FOR HER AND SHE DID NOT SHOW, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT IT?  SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS NORMAL THAT SHE DID NOT SLEEP IN HER ROOM AND THAT ROOMIES JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS SLEEPING IN ANOTHER ROOM, WHILE OTHERS WERE WAITING FOR HER IN THE LOBBY?  

-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back


The family did not start like that--it is the duration, stress, no result and frustration making them more irritable--IMO..

The log on to AOL---INVESTIGATION---there is an idea?????  That was one thing I was going to ask----since the guys were known for their sites and blogs--was Natalie ever involved in those too--maybe they communicated before hand via internet, even once.  Or if she just had her own blog/site--maybe it was noted she was going to Aruba and the guys saw it--since the guys were extremely involved in those..

Just my mind going...........


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 01:01:19 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?



I signed into my daughters aol account a few minutes ago, does that prove that my daughter was on aol at that moment?

Unless you say that "she signed in on HER personal computer, that no other person has access to".. well, I don't think the above is proof of anything.


I sign on my kids account also to check and make sure they are behaving.. I have 2 kids.. 15 and 21.. the 21 got her own apt. now.. and 2 step kids ages 15 and 17.. NONE of the kids were allowed to have an account UNLESS my husband and I had their passwords!! A family member could be checking.. friends perhaps? I know my sons friends a few times have seen him type in his password and I had to change it several times.!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:01:41 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
I think the Arubians are misinterpreting Mr. Twitty's "arrogance."  He is totally frustrated by the lack of information, hence the hiring of an attorney to help them get info.


I agree, Sarah, and I think a lie detector would be a waste of time, but if it would calm some people down (apparently some think this is a big scam), then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.  They have nothing to hide and everything to gain.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 01:03:02 PM
yeah i am sure that someone, parents or police, checked into her account to see if there was anything that could be used in the investigation.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: coco on June 21, 2005, 01:03:10 PM
CNN is saying they will be reporting on why Croes is being held this hour.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:03:24 PM
also, i'm not very computer savvy, but could AOL verify the IP address from whence the check in to Natalee's account came?  trace it back to the person who checked it?

as far as wanting jug holloway to take a lie detector test, are arubans inferring that he had something to do with her disappearance?


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:03:28 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?



I signed into my daughters aol account a few minutes ago, does that prove that my daughter was on aol at that moment?

Unless you say that "she signed in on HER personal computer, that no other person has access to".. well, I don't think the above is proof of anything.


Same here.  I want to be able to check up on my kids so I have all of their passwords.  I think that is pretty common.

I sign on my kids account also to check and make sure they are behaving.. I have 2 kids.. 15 and 21.. the 21 got her own apt. now.. and 2 step kids ages 15 and 17.. NONE of the kids were allowed to have an account UNLESS my husband and I had their passwords!! A family member could be checking.. friends perhaps? I know my sons friends a few times have seen him type in his password and I had to change it several times.!!


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:04:28 PM
Quote from: "coco"
CNN is saying they will be reporting on why Croes is being held this hour.


Did I hear on the news correctly last night that Croes is being held 8 days but will probably be released in the next day or two??


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 21, 2005, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Kelly"
yeah i didnt hear anything about them waiting for her, because dash said that they didnt assume that anything was wrong or what not..even when she didnt show up for check in for plane, they thought she just slept in..it wasnt until they couldnt find her that morning that they went looking for her


Was their anyone else in NH room that noticed she wasnt in bed when they woke up?


ALl i heard wsa that everyone was assuming that she was with another group, in another room etc..and didnt think anything of it..when she was not there in the morning! SInce everyone was up late that night still hangin out, they didnt think anything of it


I am not a Nat basher by any means, but all of this is Dash' account only.  We have heard nothing from her actual roommates - and I think it's highly possible that there is more to this than meets the eye.


I want this young woman home too but you are right. Dash is the only one who has gone public, no one else.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.

What? Where did this come from? Does anyone know about this?



I signed into my daughters aol account a few minutes ago, does that prove that my daughter was on aol at that moment?

Unless you say that "she signed in on HER personal computer, that no other person has access to".. well, I don't think the above is proof of anything.


Excellent point.. also with AOL and other services they computer itself may have a "auto chain" to sign in when her computer in her room at home might be turned on.  I don't think it is too much to assume that she might have a personal computer in her own bedroom.  anyone could have turned it on.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Thanks for the information Iquitos.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: billsfan960 on June 21, 2005, 01:06:28 PM
Thanks to AmericaninAruba


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Herkimer on June 21, 2005, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


Here's an example of misinformation:

http://mightythi.tripod.com/index.html


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 01:06:30 PM
Quote
I agree, Sarah, and I think a lie detector would be a waste of time, but if it would calm some people down (apparently some think this is a big scam), then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.  They have nothing to hide and everything to gain.


Oh my gosh, this is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of!!!    The nerve!  Isn't this sort of like blaming the victim?  The family now having to take lie detector tests, which we were told over and over again a couple days ago (by those in Aruba, by the way) are not legal in their country?  

Just steaming....cannot believe this.  That poor family.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 01:06:58 PM
Hello from KY -- slipping in here on lunch to check out the latest


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 01:06:58 PM
AMERICANINARUBA- You still there? Is that all they said on the radio? Its interesting that they said that the investigation took a "weird" turn.... You think they are directing a lot of attention on the father now?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:07:12 PM
anyone got an extra private jet? TXEquuSearch needs one for their equipment and dogs.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
iquitos, do you think that  could be the FBI or aruban officials checking her email account?  

also, just curious, what does your name mean? (if it has meaning).


this would be the most likely answer..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:07:49 PM
OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 01:07:59 PM
Talk about not being computer savy, how many times did I send the last message :x . Often I log on AOL under one of my kids screen names and then once online switch over to mine. It is easy to do depending on who was last online.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 01:08:25 PM
Yikes.. Tim Miller from the search is on Fox now saying they wont allow them to take the dogs on the plane and they may have to get charter planes to do so and also some of their equipment..hes also asking for donations to this. Wow.. he also said the high tech sonar can reach depths of 800 ft and be used 24/7.... they are going to have to do research on the water he says.. Damn what a shame


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote
I agree, Sarah, and I think a lie detector would be a waste of time, but if it would calm some people down (apparently some think this is a big scam), then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.  They have nothing to hide and everything to gain.


Oh my gosh, this is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of!!!    The nerve!  Isn't this sort of like blaming the victim?  The family now having to take lie detector tests, which we were told over and over again a couple days ago (by those in Aruba, by the way) are not legal in their country?  

Just steaming....cannot believe this.  That poor family.


I know, it's just sick, but what can they do?  I can't believe the family has kept their cool this long.  They are certainly in better control than I ever could be.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:08:32 PM
There was a famous dutroux case in belgium in where the parents of an abused and murdered girl mobilized 100.000 perosns on the streets contra the goverment . After that the father kept on pushing on with his crusade untill the early 2000 s then people got fed up with him and he lost all his credibility. I think it is wise for the twitties not to overcomercialize their whole ordeal.

Quote from: "Scarlet"
-ARUBA RADIO IS ON A JAG AGAINST THE "ARROGANCE" OF THE TWITTYS AGAIN.  SAY MR. TWITTY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED BY COPS FOR HIS HOSTILE ATTITUDE.  REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  THE TWITTYS HAVE STIRRED THE HIVE...  WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION OF THE CASE?   I WISH YOU WOULD ALL LISTEN TO THIS DAILY RADIO BROADCAST.


Yelp and I believe it will get much worse the longer this case continues-- We want Natalee back[/quote]

BUT WILL IT BE PRODUCTIVE?[/quote]


Yes, I believe so. It keeps the American public involved, also it keeps the Aruban government on their toes.[/quote]


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: wwizard on June 21, 2005, 01:08:35 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "wwizard"
just stopped in to see what condition your condition is in



guy u r a funny one
i bet you did weell
in highschool..
ican only speak for myself,
but i missed you!


gotta go FOM...be well mon


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:08:59 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
anyone got an extra private jet? TXEquuSearch needs one for their equipment and dogs.


i bet they could contact somebody in b'ham and they would lend one.  just email the b'ham news and let them put the request out there, i bet one would be found.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Thanks for the information Iquitos.


 i just came up with a great idea...if the arubans are doing the best they can and are fed up with the pressure, they can simply step aside and let the fbi, or dutch authorities take over...when someone is missing, no matter where it is, results are all that matter...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
also, i'm not very computer savvy, but could AOL verify the IP address from whence the check in to Natalee's account came?  trace it back to the person who checked it?

as far as wanting jug holloway to take a lie detector test, are arubans inferring that he had something to do with her disappearance?

No...they arejsut saying that in ANY investigation you always seem to check the persons backround (family, freinds, teachers, etc.) but they are negelecting to give nay of that info, and also that everytim ethe police comeup with that question they seem to cut them off....again this is all word on the street i cant guarantee everythign they tell me 100% again wemsut remember they are nto allow to release info on the case to the presss.....so.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tcumom on June 21, 2005, 01:09:30 PM
Y'all, by the time this is posted, someone else may have already addressed this.  

Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch is on Fox News - he is NOT making a pitch for donations, BUT they are paying for ALL equipment they're renting - $50,000 to $70,000 to rent a plane for dogs and equipment ....

I have personally met and worked with this gentleman when he/our town was searching for an abducted 20 year old from here in 2002.  He is absolutely the best - completely professional and upstanding - just totally in control and knowledgable.

If anyone here would care to contribute PLEASE go to their website.  And, no I don't work for them - I am a teacher -

www.texasequusearch.org


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: tmwsiy on June 21, 2005, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: "Herkimer"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


Here's an example of misinformation:

http://mightythi.tripod.com/index.html


that thing needs shut down for lack of orignanality...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: katya on June 21, 2005, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote
I agree, Sarah, and I think a lie detector would be a waste of time, but if it would calm some people down (apparently some think this is a big scam), then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.  They have nothing to hide and everything to gain.


Oh my gosh, this is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of!!!    The nerve!  Isn't this sort of like blaming the victim?  The family now having to take lie detector tests, which we were told over and over again a couple days ago (by those in Aruba, by the way) are not legal in their country?  

Just steaming....cannot believe this.  That poor family.


You make think it ridiculous, but I think that having the family take a polygraph test would be SOP in the US.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "iquitos"
ROB:  THIS IS FROM TODAY'S FM95.1 RADIO REPORT THAT HAS GIVEN US SO MUCH GRIEF IN THE PAST.  THERE WAS A LOT MORE TODAY BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO PUT IT UP.  IN SUM, THEY ARE PISSED AT HOLLOWAY ATTITUDE AND DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRESSURE WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.  

Quote from: "Rob"
REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE.  

not to question your integrity, but i have nt heard that... that s new...


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Thanks for the information Iquitos.


 i just came up with a great idea...if the arubans are doing the best they can and are fed up with the pressure, they can simply step aside and let the fbi, or dutch authorities take over...when someone is missing, no matter where it is, results are all that matter...


^5!!!  Let the US step in and do it!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:12:04 PM
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 01:12:09 PM
Quote
which one is foriegn
iquitos if you know?



Mickey Jones is the one, he`s from Grenada, maybe that`s why he insisted on being interviewed in english when he was on.


Hi bendex.. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:12:17 PM
Rob, have you considered running for public office?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!



yes i am glad to have such a helpful and concerned
 international community
thank you all


Title: Equine Search
Post by: Peaches on June 21, 2005, 01:12:43 PM
Perhaps the McWane Co. would loan out their private jet to get the Equus folks and their dogs down there?  They've been helpful in the past.  (Sorry, I'm much too blonde for that "quote" thing.)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 01:12:51 PM
In the very early days of the investigaton it was RUMORED that Jaron may have had Natalee's e-mail address and written to her the evening as a cover or just a plain legit contact.  (who knows)  Do you not believe that the FBI has her home computer and is also searching that for clues?  I am sure the her family would give permission for that.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. [/i]
Thanks !  
I don't have kids at home any more & haven't a clue about what parents do these days.
Great thing about Monkeys is the huge cross section of people from around the world. Great way to stay informed. :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Y'all, by the time this is posted, someone else may have already addressed this.  

Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch is on Fox News - he is NOT making a pitch for donations, BUT they are paying for ALL equipment they're renting - $50,000 to $70,000 to rent a plane for dogs and equipment ....

I have personally met and worked with this gentleman when he/our town was searching for an abducted 20 year old from here in 2002.  He is absolutely the best - completely professional and upstanding - just totally in control and knowledgable.

If anyone here would care to contribute PLEASE go to their website.  And, no I don't work for them - I am a teacher -

www.equusearch.com
that should be www.texasequusearch.org


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 01:13:52 PM
That is a shame Bendex, it isn't arrogance speaking, it is desperation. Don't you think if you lost a family member whether you were American or Aruban, you would do whatever you could do to find them. 3 weeks would seem like an eternity!!


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "bamajo"
also, i'm not very computer savvy, but could AOL verify the IP address from whence the check in to Natalee's account came?  trace it back to the person who checked it?

as far as wanting jug holloway to take a lie detector test, are arubans inferring that he had something to do with her disappearance?

No...they arejsut saying that in ANY investigation you always seem to check the persons backround (family, freinds, teachers, etc.) but they are negelecting to give nay of that info, and also that everytim ethe police comeup with that question they seem to cut them off....again this is all word on the street i cant guarantee everythign they tell me 100% again wemsut remember they are nto allow to release info on the case to the presss.....so.....


thank you, aia.  and i do believe someone has addressed this, but in the u.s. the family would've probably already taken a lie detector test at this time, the authorities have to rule out ALL suspects.  that includes family.  i'm sure if presented in the proper light, the holloway-twitty's would not mind taking a lie detectory test, if it were used as information to find their daughter.  i know i would - in a heartbeat!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Herkimer on June 21, 2005, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...


Second, why do u always wear the same shirt?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Y'all, by the time this is posted, someone else may have already addressed this.  

Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch is on Fox News - he is NOT making a pitch for donations, BUT they are paying for ALL equipment they're renting - $50,000 to $70,000 to rent a plane for dogs and equipment ....

I have personally met and worked with this gentleman when he/our town was searching for an abducted 20 year old from here in 2002.  He is absolutely the best - completely professional and upstanding - just totally in control and knowledgable.

If anyone here would care to contribute PLEASE go to their website.  And, no I don't work for them - I am a teacher -

www.equusearch.com
that should be www.texasequusearch.org


Do they take PayPal???????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Rob, have you considered running for public office?


i say it the way it is.. id last about 2 seconds....thanx :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Quote
which one is foriegn
iquitos if you know?



Mickey Jones is the one, he`s from Grenada, maybe that`s why he insisted on being interviewed in english when he was on.


Hi bendex.. :)


thanx Hannie
there has not been much at all on the other gaurd.


Title: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 01:15:58 PM
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 01:15:58 PM
Hey guys - I just had a Eureka moment.

How many of us are on here every day?  

We say over and over we just want to find Natalee....can we put our money where our mouth is?  

What do you think - why don't we all donate $20 (or whatever you can afford - it all adds up) to the rescue group.  It's really easy - they have a phone number posted and everything.  

If we ALL did that, truly ALL of us, how much money do you think we could help them out with???

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: "Herkimer"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...


Second, why do u always wear the same shirt?



hahahaha that is a good one , BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT WOULD YOU ASK


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tcumom on June 21, 2005, 01:16:21 PM
waitingtoknow,

thanks so much for the correction - at least, last night I posted the website correctly!  My excuse is that I'm typing so fast I messed up!  I'll edit that post so folks don't get confused!  :oops:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: coco on June 21, 2005, 01:16:23 PM
CNN reporting that Croes is being held because he told police he saw the boys drop off NH at the hotel. Since his story does not hold up, they are holding him to question why he told this story. Also reporting that both D & S are at the prison now with J going later today but Croes will stay at police station.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...


I wonder if they've asked that question yet...lol.  My first quesetion would be "Who in the HELL do you think you are fooling here?????"


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "iquitos"
 REPORTING THAT NATALEE SIGNED IN HER AOL EMAIL ACCT ON 7 JUNE. [/i]
Thanks !  
I don't have kids at home any more & haven't a clue about what parents do these days.
Great thing about Monkeys is the huge cross section of people from around the world. Great way to stay informed. :wink:


Nowadays you cant trust alot of people online when kids are involved.. I have a relative whos child was approached by a pediphile..even before that incident I have always told my kids they will give me their passwords.. and if NOT they dont use the computer..!! That way they dont have anything to hide. Only being safe!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!


I agree--a HUGE ((Hugs)) THANKS to our info givers from Aruba and the MBHS people who give us the inside too!!!!  Without a lot of this info given--we would all be basing things off of CNN, Fox--hours after it is released!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!



As hard as it may be for some to understand, people have the right to their opinion.  They have the right to be wrong and to express it in the manner they choose.   They have the right to be that way without everyone else telling them what to do and how to say it.  Best to ignore those you don't agree with.  Arguing with them, chastising them, merely prolongs the problem.

For every note saying something that others don't like, there is a note complaining about it.   :?

Please people.   Think before you write.   Try to remember that you cannot control anothers behavior.   People have the right to be a$$holes. Recognize it and move on.

I'm starting to see that the notes of complaints about others behavior, are outnumbering the notes from the ones who supposedly have bad behavior.


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 01:17:57 PM
I still wonder, why is there so less info about the brothers? They are just as suspect as joran, but you don`t hear anything, while joran and his family are being constantly in the news!


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:18:01 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


was this info on the radio?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "BlueKyGirl"
I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.


Maybe like they said before she was in a VERY emotional state, liek any mother w/a lsot child, and she "attacked" joran for info and Joran just hit his chest and said that...maybe she accused him of somethign I dont see it as scary I jsut see it as someone being defensive...I do it al the time like when we loose soemthing at home and ofcourse eferyone asks me (the motehr) I put my hand to my chest and be like "ME???I never used that! you should know where you put it!" I thiknk its just a manner of speaking ....and the dutch have a way jsut like the italians they almost "talk" with their hands


Thanks--I wondered if it was a Dutch mannerism. I can see the scenario where Joran and his family felt defensive since Natalee's family showed up at their house in the middle of the night. I think Joren is guilty as sin, but I sort of feel sorry for him. I think he somehow got in this way over his head. I'd like to think whatever happened with Natalee was a terrible mistake, instead of an intentional act of cruelty.


Somehow I get the impression that the vdS household stays up late, so it was not really the middle of the night for them.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:18:29 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Rob, have you considered running for public office?


i say it the way it is.. id last about 2 seconds....thanx :D


LIAR
u would maybe just smile and say cheese i think....
IMHFO


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: sandy on June 21, 2005, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


Whar detective?[/b]


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Herkimer"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...


Second, why do u always wear the same shirt?



hahahaha that is a good one , BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT WOULD YOU ASK


how many pictures exist of you partying?


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


was this info on the radio?


I'd like to know what gives them reason to believe she is still alive other than the fact a body has not been found.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: hope on June 21, 2005, 01:20:04 PM
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


Title: KALPOES
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I still wonder, why is there so less info about the brothers? They are just as suspect as joran, but you don`t hear anything, while joran and his family are being constantly in the news!


 WE HERE HAVE DEVELOPED QUITE A BIT OF INFO ON THE BROTHERS AND GRETA VAN SUSTERN OF FOX WAS AT THEIR HOUSE AND DEEPAKS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT YESTERDAY TELLING ALL ABOUT THEM.  I THINK THEY ARE NOT SO INTERESTING AS THE ODD DUTCH PUBLIC PROSECUTOR AND HIS CARD SHARP SON WHO HAVE NOW BEEN DEMONIZED BY THE TWITTYS WHO HATE THEM


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
waitingtoknow,

thanks so much for the correction - at least, last night I posted the website correctly!  My excuse is that I'm typing so fast I messed up!  I'll edit that post so folks don't get confused!  :oops:
you are welcome...and I understand...I just happened to have their website written down...so wanted to make sure it was correct.  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: cancon on June 21, 2005, 01:20:51 PM
as a former lawyer I abhor the use of the term lawsuit incorrectly when in fact the family filed an application for a motion to gain access to evidence in the case, likely under some statutory provision in Arubian law

to me a lawsuit is when you file a statement of claim vs Mcdonald for  several million dollars when your crotch got scorched with spilled coffee.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:20:51 PM
i HAVE AN euREKA MOMENT ASWELL WHY DON'T YOU DONATE FUNDS IN MY ACCOUNT , AND i WLL GO TO ARUBA PERSONALLY AND CONCUCT PERSONALL INTERWIEWS WITH POTENTIAL WITNESSES IN C&C EVERY NIGHT.

WHAT AMOUNT OF FUNDS NEEDED BY TES TO HAVE THEM OF TO ARUBA

Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Hey guys - I just had a Eureka moment.

How many of us are on here every day?  

We say over and over we just want to find Natalee....can we put our money where our mouth is?  

What do you think - why don't we all donate $20 (or whatever you can afford - it all adds up) to the rescue group.  It's really easy - they have a phone number posted and everything.  

If we ALL did that, truly ALL of us, how much money do you think we could help them out with???

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 01:20:57 PM
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Rob, have you considered running for public office?


i say it the way it is.. id last about 2 seconds....thanx :D


LIAR
u would maybe just smile and say cheese i think....
IMHFO


hahahahahaha 101Z!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bendex"
IF ANYONE HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO ASK THREE QUESTIONS TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT PRESUMING THAT HE IS GOING TO LIE WHAT WOULD YOUS ASK ?


WOW  thats a tough one.. Id have a million questions to ask.. but first it would be Where is Natalee...



What makes you think he would answer these question(s) that you ask? He is not answering them when they are asked by others.


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Both Elio and the FBI and dutch investigator has been working with it..According to Elio but right now investigation is being hampered by American News Media...pressure to quarterback investigation.


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


was this info on the radio?


I'd like to know what gives them reason to believe she is still alive other than the fact a body has not been found.


after all they have slung around murder charges.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:22:03 PM
That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Network for Good Giving; they keep 3%, not bad, and you can designate who money goes to; I said "Natalie Holloway Search"
They email you a copy of receipt; it's tax deductible.
Don't forget your email address when signing in for the first time.
$10 minimum
Monkey See, Monkey Do.....right?????


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Where did you hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can't take any more false info that holds hope then gets knocked right down hahha :cry:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:22:23 PM
TOP is interviewing Elio (the saem guy on fox that would coem up with questioning themother and they would cut him off) hes saying that waht he wanted to sayis that mayeb themother has somethigns that might help wiht anyinvestigaition becuase who knows her better than her mom??  I didint want it to comein a "bad" way but we need to understand thisis basic procedure but everytime we come up w/ this they just attackus like were blamign the parents ...were not but again you ahve to rule out everything...we jsut want to brign this case to a good finaly...the national police association of New Jerseay has also defended sayignthe bashign of the police is just unneccesary, and they also complained that all theforensic is going to holland...you needto understand weve been using this lab for over 50 years and not jsut becuase its an american thats lost then automatically we have to turn everythign over to the fbi no....it could have been venezuelan, chinese, japanese,european american WHATEVER it ALL goes to our lab in Holland.....after the interview I had with fox and everyone could see how i waws cut off eerytime they appoligized to me and just asked that i dont brign that up anymore...and they were truly sorry for doing that and not going through info w/ me first and asked me foor another interview which i just did this morning...(this is all the Elio man on TOP95)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nisxan on June 21, 2005, 01:22:53 PM
Not to be a spoilsport, but...

I believe that polygraph test require a "yes" or "no" answer. Anything more complex is difficult to read since parts of the answer may be true and parts may be false.

Then again, if you truly BELIEVE what you're saying, the test really won't work. And if you are under a great deal of stress, it may not give you very accurate results as well.


Title: Just my personal concern
Post by: TexasSugarfoot on June 21, 2005, 01:23:11 PM
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 21, 2005, 01:23:53 PM
three questions....hmm..

1.  Where and when did you last see Natalee Holloway?
2. Was Natalee alive the last time you saw her?
3. Do you know where Natalee is now?


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


was this info on the radio?


I'd like to know what gives them reason to believe she is still alive other than the fact a body has not been found.


after all they have slung around murder charges.....


AgAIN remmebr we are nto GIVEN ALL INFORMATION!!! remmeber themruder charges were published through media who knows how old that is??!! again they ARE brigning in this test and it WAS performed already.....but its not exactly like the polygraph just somethign similar and just as accurate


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: cancon on June 21, 2005, 01:24:08 PM
you do wonder why the case of the missing Boy Scout gets 5 minutes and this case gets 55 minutes on Fox........


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Where did you hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can't take any more false info that holds hope then gets knocked right down hahha :cry:


i did nt say that they were conducting a voice analyser test, i asked if the machine measures stree in the voice.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 01:25:39 PM
I am sorry you had to go through that Texas.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kipster on June 21, 2005, 01:25:56 PM
>>you do wonder why the case of the missing Boy Scout gets 5 minutes and this case gets 55 minutes on Fox........

"foreign intrigue"


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Not to be a spoilsport, but...

I believe that polygraph test require a "yes" or "no" answer. Anything more complex is difficult to read since parts of the answer may be true and parts may be false.

Then again, if you truly BELIEVE what you're saying, the test really won't work. And if you are under a great deal of stress, it may not give you very accurate results as well.
yes i heard that someties a polygraph can even incriminate you for something youdidnt do....just because your enrvouse you can get completely differnt readings, thats why in the US its nOT obligatory becaseu many people were screwed by the polygraph and later were shown tobe innocent but becaseu f there nervousness they mess it up,,,,,imean imagine your innocent and there accusign you of a crime how nervouse would you be? it be shitting bricks!


Title: friends in lobby?
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
Wasn't me that said it.  (Dash's mom -- arbeej on TA)  Seems I saw it on another post somewhere but it was news to me.

Dash doesn't know the roommates' account of events.  As stated before, Natalee could have been assumed to be staying in a friend's room (as many did) or staying up all night (as many did, some by the pool, some elsewhere).  Any one or all of the roommates might also have stayed up all night elsewhere.  Or any or all of them could have fallen asleep & hence wouldn't have known what time or if Natalee had come by the room at some point.  Of all the suggestions I've heard on message boards, *nobody* has considered that they might have been asleep!  Isn't that the first thing one would assume?

The roommates are still in an understandable state of shock.  I certainly wouldn't be able to speak to the press -- or anyone, for that matter -- in those circumstances.  And the FBI might very well have forbidden them to speak at this point.

So, anybody else heard that rumor about kids waiting in the lobby for her?  Or know the origin?  It may well be true, but I'm not the source and I don't know.  Dash was by the pool with 10-15-20 others, though.

Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


i can't verify at this moment, but i think i read it on the TA post that was posted by someone's mother?  dash's maybe?  i don't remember.  i've read so much, and i do specifically remember reading that information on a post somewhere by someone's parent.  i do apologize for being so vague, but i just don't remember where i read it.  is that a false report?  i humbly apologize if it is.


I was just curious because I haven't heard that from any of my friends. THere were a lot of people at the pool, but they weren't waiting on her, or anything.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:26:35 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


I'm very sorry to hear about your missing child.  I can't imagine that kind of pain.  I hope you get answers as well as NH's family.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I still wonder, why is there so less info about the brothers? They are just as suspect as joran, but you don`t hear anything, while joran and his family are being constantly in the news!

That's because he was portrayed early on as being priviledged and his father was a judge.  So "obviously" he was manipulating the system.
There are many people convinced that this is still the case.  I have never been one of them.


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Where did you hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can't take any more false info that holds hope then gets knocked right down hahha :cry:


i did nt say that they were conducting a voice analyser test, i asked if the machine measures stree in the voice.....


i was responding to comanzani's comment rob...sorry should haev specified..just wondering where he heard that they think she is alive and why they think this


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: pinemeadows on June 21, 2005, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building.


I think someone clarified a couple pages back that they are NOT sueing anyone!  They hired an attorney to file a claim to obtain information on evidence gathered, or something to that effect.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:28:49 PM
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 01:29:12 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. .


I hurt for you, just from the opening line.  Sugerfoot, was your child ever found?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klowe on June 21, 2005, 01:29:37 PM
I know i am way behind, and i apologize if this has already been speculated, but is there a possibility that the FBI or PI might have accessed Natalees aol acct to see if there was prior correspondence between Natalee and Joran?

Klowe




Quote from: "KerinTX"
The AOL login is probably a rumor but, if not, yes...it could be the family. Or it could also be the family contacted AOL and requested a "look" at her account. 21 days and little to no news...Holloways probably said "the approach we have taken so far hasn't worked..let's go to Plan B". They still have done nothing to break the law.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: SPSII on June 21, 2005, 01:29:42 PM
They should just give the boys truth serum.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 21, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!


I agree--a HUGE ((Hugs)) THANKS to our info givers from Aruba and the MBHS people who give us the inside too!!!!  Without a lot of this info given--we would all be basing things off of CNN, Fox--hours after it is released!


Jac You are so correct! We are ahead of the curve due to everyones contributions.

Sorry Red and I have not been around much today, we have been in discussions regarding how to design the site so it can cover this story even better, and then potentially provide this service for other families and stories.

It is not easy, as we need to be both pragmatic and altruistic. But we are coming to some conclusions.

We will keep you informed as we go along

T


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: "cancon"
you do wonder why the case of the missing Boy Scout gets 5 minutes and this case gets 55 minutes on Fox........


I think Natalee gets more press because: of

1) An exotic location
2) A beautiful girl
3) A socially well-connected protaganist, and 3 "friends"
4) Numerous theories involving international slave trade, date rape drugs, dee jays, party boats, casinos, beach resorts, etc.
5) time, the story has had more time to develop


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: katya on June 21, 2005, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


Do they do that in the United States?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 21, 2005, 01:31:34 PM
Texassf...
So sorry to hear about your child.  As a mother, anything negative dealing with children rips my hurt.  I am sorry...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


im sorry to sound harsh Rob but...these are the questions he/she would ask.....mayeb she has motive for this....they are NTO the questions being really asked! i mean comeon being a player doesnt mean you can NEVER fall inlove doesit?? because then my brothers got real problems w/  his wife being the wild boy he is!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bendex on June 21, 2005, 01:32:16 PM
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK ROB , BARING IN MIND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF NOT TELLING THE TRUTH , WHAT WOULD YOU ASK TO GET CLUES ?

Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


Title: TexasSugarfoot
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 01:32:38 PM
Texas,

My heart breaks at hearing your story.  All this must bring it back fresh.  I am so, so very sad to hear what you've gone through.

::hug::

arlee


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????


Title: Re: KALPOES
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
WE HERE HAVE DEVELOPED QUITE A BIT OF INFO ON THE BROTHERS AND GRETA VAN SUSTERN OF FOX WAS AT THEIR HOUSE AND DEEPAKS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT YESTERDAY TELLING ALL ABOUT THEM.  I THINK THEY ARE NOT SO INTERESTING AS THE ODD DUTCH PUBLIC PROSECUTOR AND HIS CARD SHARP SON WHO HAVE NOW BEEN DEMONIZED BY THE TWITTYS WHO HATE THEM[/quote]

I think the word hate is harsh.  We do not know that they hate anyone.  They seem to be extremely frustrated.  Not knowing what happened to their daughter and assuming that the VDS have information that they are not sharing with them makes this a difficult situation.


Title: Re: Elio Nicolaas
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Where did you hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can't take any more false info that holds hope then gets knocked right down hahha :cry:


i did nt say that they were conducting a voice analyser test, i asked if the machine measures stree in the voice.....


This was on Top95.1 Aruba radio, and Elio 's Nicolaas opinion.  I believe he was a cop, detective, ex minister of aruba.

i was responding to comanzani's comment rob...sorry should haev specified..just wondering where he heard that they think she is alive and why they think this


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


Title: Re: friends in lobby?
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: "arlee"
Wasn't me that said it.  (Dash's mom -- arbeej on TA)  Seems I saw it on another post somewhere but it was news to me.

Dash doesn't know the roommates' account of events.  As stated before, Natalee could have been assumed to be staying in a friend's room (as many did) or staying up all night (as many did, some by the pool, some elsewhere).  Any one or all of the roommates might also have stayed up all night elsewhere.  Or any or all of them could have fallen asleep & hence wouldn't have known what time or if Natalee had come by the room at some point.  Of all the suggestions I've heard on message boards, *nobody* has considered that they might have been asleep!  Isn't that the first thing one would assume?

The roommates are still in an understandable state of shock.  I certainly wouldn't be able to speak to the press -- or anyone, for that matter -- in those circumstances.  And the FBI might very well have forbidden them to speak at this point.

So, anybody else heard that rumor about kids waiting in the lobby for her?  Or know the origin?  It may well be true, but I'm not the source and I don't know.  Dash was by the pool with 10-15-20 others, though.

Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


i can't verify at this moment, but i think i read it on the TA post that was posted by someone's mother?  dash's maybe?  i don't remember.  i've read so much, and i do specifically remember reading that information on a post somewhere by someone's parent.  i do apologize for being so vague, but i just don't remember where i read it.  is that a false report?  i humbly apologize if it is.


I was just curious because I haven't heard that from any of my friends. THere were a lot of people at the pool, but they weren't waiting on her, or anything.


arlee if you look back on that same page, page 22 i believe, i found where i read that people stayed in the lobby until 5:00 a.m.  it was in a birmingham, alabama online news article that stated that as fact.


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building.


I think someone clarified a couple pages back that they are NOT sueing anyone!  They hired an attorney to file a claim to obtain information on evidence gathered, or something to that effect.

I think that is semantics.  The concern is that they might act on information or disclose information that jeopardizes the case.


Title: TexasSugarfoot
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 01:34:54 PM
Texas,

My heart breaks at hearing your story.  All this must bring it back fresh.  I am so, so very sad to hear what you've gone through.

::hug::

arlee


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


im sorry to sound harsh Rob but...these are the questions he/she would ask.....mayeb she has motive for this....they are NTO the questions being really asked! i mean comeon being a player doesnt mean you can NEVER fall inlove doesit?? because then my brothers got real problems w/  his wife being the wild boy he is!


ok i ll go along... falls in love in 2 days... i dont know...more like lust....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: SPSII on June 21, 2005, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????


I saw it on Meet The fo**ers....thought it was interesting.  :lol:


Title: RADIO FM TOP 91.5
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:36:39 PM
-I THINK RADIO FM95.1 REPORTED THAT IT IS BEING SAID JORAN UNDERWENT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.  THEY DID NOT CONFIRM THIS.  THEY USED IT AS A LEAD IN TO THEIR DISCOUSSION OF AMERICAN ARROGANCE.  

-THIS  RETIRED COP ELIO IS STILL ON THE RADIO AND IS A VERY ARTICULATE ANS SENSIBLE PERSON.  TOO BAD FOX DID NOT HAVE TIME TO TALK TO HIM  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS,  THEY KNOW THEIR ISLAND AND THEY ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE.  LET THEW DO WHAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO.  IF THEY CAN SOLVE THE CASE, THEY WILL.  

-IT IS NOT EASY TO TRANSCRIBE A RADIO BROADCAST LIVE FROM A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH.  AMERICANINARUBA HAVE TRIED.  YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUR WORD FOR WHAT IS BEING SAID ALTHOUGH I ADMIT I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE OF THE DISCUSSION.  I HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT THE ARUBANS NEED TO CRANK UP SOME ENGLISH MEDIUM TO GET THEIR STORY OUT SINCE THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GET REAL FACE TIME WITH THE MSM

-THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM ESTABLISHING THEIR OWN CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GET THEIR STORY OUR.  THEY ARE BURIED.  

THIS GUY ELIO IS VERY PERCEPTIVE.  HE IS TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN WAY OF THINKING.  THERE IS A CULTURE CLASH.  FBI HAS CUSTOM OF SUPPORTING FOREIGN COUNTRIES, NOT OF TAKING OVER.  

IM JUST GOING TO LISTEN AND NOT REPORT.  THAT WAY AT LEAST I WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:36:40 PM
TexasSugarFoot...thank you for being so open and honest and giving us your story. I cannot imagine the emptiness you must feel in your heart. I think for all who question whether Mrs. Holloway has done things the "right" way, reading your story will at least help us all to see that there is no RIGHT way or WRONG way. There is only YOUR way when faced with that situation. After all, life does not come with a book of etiquette telling a family how to react to a tragedy.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK ROB , BARING IN MIND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF NOT TELLING THE TRUTH , WHAT WOULD YOU ASK TO GET CLUES ?

Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


1. you left C&C with natalee, where did you immediatly go...?
2. after you arrived at said destination, what transpired?
3. who else was with you?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Hey guys - I just had a Eureka moment.

How many of us are on here every day?  

We say over and over we just want to find Natalee....can we put our money where our mouth is?  

What do you think - why don't we all donate $20 (or whatever you can afford - it all adds up) to the rescue group.  It's really easy - they have a phone number posted and everything.  

If we ALL did that, truly ALL of us, how much money do you think we could help them out with???

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Network for Good Giving; they keep 3%, not bad, and you can designate who money goes to; I said "Natalie Holloway Search"
They email you a copy of receipt; it's tax deductible.
Don't forget your email address when signing in for the first time.
$10 minimum
Monkey See, Monkey Do.....right?????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 01:38:24 PM
texas, so sorry.


I don't know how parents can deal with this and not go over the top.


ON the aol thing again, my grown kids who live in other towns will sometimes call me to check their e-mail for them if they are away from the computer.  I know their passwords.

Opening of e-mail would be a logical thing to do if looking for her.

We had a horrible case a few years ago in Texas where the murderer was actually opening the account and communicating with parents pretending to be  their child.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: arrabba on June 21, 2005, 01:38:37 PM
What I would ask:

1) Have you lied about the facts in this case?
2) If I could promise you exoneration, would you lead me to Natalee?
3) If you were to dump someone in the ocean, where in the ocean would you do it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


Do they do that in the United States?




All they have to do is slip it in his jail juice.


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


I feel compassion for your loss and for the lack of closure.

I do not feel that the Holloways will jeopardize the case. I believe that any information they will obtain will be held until AFTER the prosecution has run it's course. And then, if there is no resolution, LOOK OUT.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 01:40:31 PM
I heard the uncle of Natalee say the entire group would be glad to take a polygraph IF the young men took and and joran's dad.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 01:40:35 PM
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D


Title: Lie Detectors
Post by: martin connahey on June 21, 2005, 01:41:03 PM
1. I agree with all here who say mom Twitty and other relatives should take poly. If nh had been snatched in US, the cops would have hooked mom+dad up to the lie-box on day one.

2. To those who advocate "sending in the FBI," let's remember that the Bureau of Incompetence has a record of appx 3-20 in the Solved-to-Botched record-book recently. Heck, fbi's corrupt officials are too busy breaking into American's homes, thus no time left to do actual investigative work.

3. Ma and Pa Twitty should go behind the scenes asap. Like it or not, if they want to keep the public on their side, they ought to avoid inevitable burnout/over-exposure and stay off the shows. It hurts their case in the long run.

4. Let this whole thing be a lesson to all you debs out there: Booze+bad-boys+bars+beaches+drugs+threeguys 'n' onegirl= Possible Trouble For You. Unless you have EXTENSIVE experience with Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, avoid dark bodies of water and private offices.

5. And may we also include in our daily prayers all the missing children and adults that receive NO media attention. In His name we pray. Amen.

God bless.

-MC


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 01:41:05 PM
We have no reason to believe they will release the results of the lie detector test.  They have been so closed mouth about everything else.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:41:08 PM
TOP95
The family Holloway si currently preparigna case against Aruba....let hear what they say inteh US:

LISTEN TO TOP95


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


I have the same analayzer on mine, but as you said "country IP", not  a specfic pc or a specfic person. That is why it is the Secret Service on their trail. I only know this because I have personally talked to the FBI and the Secret Service about this very subject.  Still sad....but true.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!

AA you have been a treasure & I always read carefully what you have to say.
WHY do YOU believe NH is still alive? I would be very interested in what you have to say. Thanks. :)


Title: Re: RADIO FM TOP 91.5
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
-I THINK RADIO FM95.1 REPORTED THAT IT IS BEING SAID JORAN UNDERWENT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.  THEY DID NOT CONFIRM THIS.  THEY USED IT AS A LEAD IN TO THEIR DISCOUSSION OF AMERICAN ARROGANCE.  

-THIS  RETIRED COP ELIO IS STILL ON THE RADIO AND IS A VERY ARTICULATE ANS SENSIBLE PERSON.  TOO BAD FOX DID NOT HAVE TIME TO TALK TO HIM  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS,  THEY KNOW THEIR ISLAND AND THEY ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE.  LET THEW DO WHAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO.  IF THEY CAN SOLVE THE CASE, THEY WILL.  

-IT IS NOT EASY TO TRANSCRIBE A RADIO BROADCAST LIVE FROM A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH.  AMERICANINARUBA HAVE TRIED.  YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUR WORD FOR WHAT IS BEING SAID ALTHOUGH I ADMIT I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE OF THE DISCUSSION.  I HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT THE ARUBANS NEED TO CRANK UP SOME ENGLISH MEDIUM TO GET THEIR STORY OUT SINCE THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GET REAL FACE TIME WITH THE MSM

-THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM ESTABLISHING THEIR OWN CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GET THEIR STORY OUR.  THEY ARE BURIED.  

THIS GUY ELIO IS VERY PERCEPTIVE.  HE IS TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN WAY OF THINKING.  THERE IS A CULTURE CLASH.  FBI HAS CUSTOM OF SUPPORTING FOREIGN COUNTRIES, NOT OF TAKING OVER.  

IM JUST GOING TO LISTEN AND NOT REPORT.  THAT WAY AT LEAST I WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.


He also says it s intrumental to find out some background or collaborate with the family in regards to Natalee, as if some part of the puzzle is missing.  Also another news, the Holloway family is planning to bring a lawsuit against the Arubian Govt.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: "Twelve Monkeys"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


Do they do that in the United States?




All they have to do is slip it in his jail juice.


you mean slip em a mickey?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 01:42:09 PM
Iquitos, on Fox last night an Aruban official stated that since your reporters cannot get their hands on the evidence they can only state theories suchas theones we are saying in here. Is this what you are listening to or do they have more insite from something else?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:42:16 PM
TRANSLATORS:::::

MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WEITH NEWS!!!!!
HOWEVER CONDENSED you have been consistent and accurate.

THANK YOU ALL!!


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"

Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


This doesn't make any sense.  As was pointed out earlier, they are not suing the Aruban government.  They have hired a local lawyer specifically to help them work WITHIN the Aruban justice system.  It's a smart move on their part.  There is NO chance that their securing a local lawyer to help them maneuver within the Aruban justice system is going to jeopardize any case they might have against suspects in the future.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 01:42:36 PM
Texas,

I`m sorry to hear about your child. And thank you for giving your view
and inside of how parents respond in this situation, which is for all of us
difficult to understand because we were never in such situation.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


What was the point of asking that question? Just asking.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:43:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D
 symantac 2005


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:43:17 PM
my questions:
1. do youknow what pain natalee & your family is in? have a few minutes to think of that alone..one thinks there daughter is dead or tortured and your mtoher is at home crying that her son is a murdere

2. who was the last person with NH and where was that?

3. if I can promise you confidentiality.....are you being threatened by some on eelse???


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


:::giving the Professor a standing ovation::::


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:43:45 PM
Thank you for the News! I appreciate your translating it for us.
Paula


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TOP95
The family Holloway si currently preparigna case against Aruba....let hear what they say inteh US:

LISTEN TO TOP95


please keep me informed on what they say.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:44:36 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


What was the point of asking that question? Just asking.


becasue maybe as a mother of alost child and I see allthis exposure i would go back and fight for exposure of my child that waas lost so long ago and havent had anythign done, its just help forthose that werent exposed so grandly


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 01:44:42 PM
The Holloways should not go behind the scenes, as some have posted.  As soon as they do this, the story will slowly fade away.  As long as they keep talking, the Arubians will be worried about their tourism and hopefully solve this case in quicker fashion in order to restore some sort of peace on the island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


They get very angry when the suggestion is made that they ONLY TEST THE PARENTS. That is what Elio Nicolaas was saying, if you recall.


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


I feel compassion for your loss and for the lack of closure.

I do not feel that the Holloways will jeopardize the case. I believe that any information they will obtain will be held until AFTER the prosecution has run it's course. And then, if there is no resolution, LOOK OUT.


PROF:  WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, MORE VEILED THREATS?  I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW IT COULD GET MUCH WORSE WITHOUT BEING COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.


Title: Re: Lie Detectors
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
And may we also include in our daily prayers all the missing children and adults that receive NO media attention. In His name we pray. Amen.

God bless.

-MC


Amen to that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
due to it taking what 16 days to even have a search instigated to find their daughter?

i think the holloways might be bringing suit or filing papers to that effect, because in the beginning, it took the aruban gov't so long to even start to bring a case against any sort of suspect in the dissappearance of their daughter.

i'm not saying that i necessarily agree with it, but that they do have reason.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


I have the same analayzer on mine, but as you said "country IP", not  a specfic pc or a specfic person. That is why it is the Secret Service on their trail. I only know this because I have personally talked to the FBI and the Secret Service about this very subject.  Still sad....but true.


coerrect, ip in a country not a person, but i can get to the last server...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:46:42 PM
Local Volunteers To Join Search For Missing Teen In Aruba
Funding Needed For Mission

POSTED: 11:25 am CDT June 20, 2005
UPDATED: 3:41 pm CDT June 20, 2005

HOUSTON -- A group of local volunteers will join the search for a missing Alabama teen in Aruba, Local 2 reported Sunday.
.............
"I told the family that I am not going to sugarcoat anything ... chances are she is not alive," Miller said.

Miller is asking for donations to aid in the search for Holloway. If you would like to donate, call (281) 309-9500.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4629811/detail.html


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


They get very angry when the suggestion is made that they ONLY TEST THE PARENTS. That is what Elio Nicolaas was saying, if you recall.


ellio said that becaue that was all he could get in the interview before they woulsd cut him off...but today in his interview that was not what he ment JUST theparents..he want sto test ALL the parents that are involved....


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D
 symantac 2005


http://analyzer.symantec.com/


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


I feel compassion for your loss and for the lack of closure.

I do not feel that the Holloways will jeopardize the case. I believe that any information they will obtain will be held until AFTER the prosecution has run it's course. And then, if there is no resolution, LOOK OUT.


PROF:  WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, MORE VEILED THREATS?  I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW IT COULD GET MUCH WORSE WITHOUT BEING COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.


There are criminal prosecutions and civil prosecutions. And, if the criminal prosecution does not reach a resolution, there may be civil suits that may be available, like in the O. J. Simpson case.

And that is not a veiled threat. That is a promise.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
my questions:
1. do youknow what pain natalee & your family is in? have a few minutes to think of that alone..one thinks there daughter is dead or tortured and your mtoher is at home crying that her son is a murdere

2. who was the last person with NH and where was that?

3. if I can promise you confidentiality.....are you being threatened by some on eelse???


1. a pshyco has no regard for a family only their own inner lust..
2. joran is a known liar..
3. to deflect attention from himself, and to someone else, we know he does that....


Title: to da wench
Post by: martin connahey on June 21, 2005, 01:49:59 PM
dittos 2 u, da wench, and amen as well.
-martin


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


I have the same analayzer on mine, but as you said "country IP", not  a specfic pc or a specfic person. That is why it is the Secret Service on their trail. I only know this because I have personally talked to the FBI and the Secret Service about this very subject.  Still sad....but true.


coerrect, ip in a country not a person, but i can get to the last server...



what if it is floating on a boat in carribean????
well, u can check when you get there right??
please let us know :roll:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:50:32 PM
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
The Holloways should not go behind the scenes, as some have posted.  As soon as they do this, the story will slowly fade away.  As long as they keep talking, the Arubians will be worried about their tourism and hopefully solve this case in quicker fashion in order to restore some sort of peace on the island.


I agree.  The family attention and media is what is keeping this matter going.  


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 01:52:36 PM
The only reason that they don`t give evidence and all the info to natalee`s parents and to the media, is that what I said before because our justice system is very diffent then that of the US.

What if they would tell the family and the media what they 'have' on the suspects and it`s leaking out!! Then in our system the judge can throw all this out based on the leaks and the "guilty" can go free!!

Nobody wants this to happen I would assume!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:52:36 PM
Ontop95 they were just repeating the Fox interview last ngiht....most people dont get the channel here......
top95:  what they are asking is why ahve the parent asked ALL chaperones and students to be quiet and not talk abotu the case at all until it is over? again just like they are askign teh gov't to give allinfo and are sueign them to not give youinfo, then why cant they give us mroe info if they were the ones that spent the last days with her?? its sort of not fair that we have to give you everythign and when we ask fro soemthign you say no.....again getting infromation from the court and investigation team which can be dangerous that you have been informed that can "crash" a case comletely but you want it and you want it now....btu on your side that have to danger to the "crashign" of the case only helping w/ the sear4ch you wont allow?? this we dont understand....and also why did the HOllloways silence the 7 chaperones to not say anythign about anything???  we will be takign cals now form the public..............


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


They get very angry when the suggestion is made that they ONLY TEST THE PARENTS. That is what Elio Nicolaas was saying, if you recall.


WRONG AGAIN TEACH.  ELIO NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO SAY WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY.  FOX CUT HIM OFF.  HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMMON PRACTICE IN THE US OF POLYGRAPHING ALL THE PARTIES TO THE CASE.  HE WAS RESPONDING TO THE AMERICAN CLAMOUR FOR JORAN TO BE BE POLYGRAPHED.  THEY DON'T POLYGRAPH IN THE NETHERLANDS LIKE WE DO.  SO IF YOU WANT POLY, THEN POLY EVERYBODY LIKE IN THE US.  THIS MAN HAD A LOT TO SAY JUST NOW O THE RADIO FRO ANYBODY WHO BOTHERED TO LISTEN.  BUT WHY LISTEN.  WE ARE ALL KNOWING RIGHT PROF.  NO ROOM FOR ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW.  CRUSH EM, PUSH EM ASIDE, WE WILL SHOW THEM HOW OR THEY WILL BE REAL SORRY.  SOUND FAMILIAR?


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


I have the same analayzer on mine, but as you said "country IP", not  a specfic pc or a specfic person. That is why it is the Secret Service on their trail. I only know this because I have personally talked to the FBI and the Secret Service about this very subject.  Still sad....but true.


coerrect, ip in a country not a person, but i can get to the last server...

This is true, but if it takes you to internet cafes in countries that do not have the the FCC rules, regulations, etc. it does not pin point  a person or a computer, as at these internet cafes all the pcs are the same IP.
If it were possible as of present time these international scammers would not be such a big problem. Still sad, but still true.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:53:27 PM
just walked in the room and someone had switched the TV from FOX NEWS to a soap opera and yet it took me 5 minutes to realize the difference  :?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 01:53:35 PM
Joran.  1.  Is Natalee alive?

2. Do you know what happened to her?


3.  Who can help us find her?


Dad VDS


Same first two questions.

3.  Where were you the day that Natalee missed her plane.


JVDS mom.

1.  What did you son tell you about Natalee.


2.  Are you at risk?


3.  What is your son's worst trait.




Nat's Mom

1.  Do you know where Nat is?


2.  Has she ever run away (to shut up critics)


3.  Is there a large insurance policy on anyone in the family.  see above


Jug.


1.  Do you know where Nat is?


2.  For whom do you work?



3.  What information do you have that you are not sharing.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tarmand on June 21, 2005, 01:53:44 PM
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


teh suspect Steve croes...his uncle is a retired police officer..he retired a LONG time ago

"panty boy" works for TOP95


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
just walked in the room and someone had switched the TV from FOX NEWS to a soap opera and yet it took me 5 minutes to realize the difference  :?


Kerin, you crack me up!


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "tmwsiy"
Quote from: "Rob"


thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....


I have the same analayzer on mine, but as you said "country IP", not  a specfic pc or a specfic person. That is why it is the Secret Service on their trail. I only know this because I have personally talked to the FBI and the Secret Service about this very subject.  Still sad....but true.


coerrect, ip in a country not a person, but i can get to the last server...



what if it is floating on a boat in carribean????
well, u can check when you get there right??
please let us know :roll:



i dont have that answer, but if it is using wireless tech, it possibly could be identified...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: "SPSII"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????


I saw it on Meet The fo**ers....thought it was interesting.  :lol:


Yes, it really works in the movies.  Actually I don't think Sodium Pent. would do the job.  For those of you who have been through surgeries, you know that you do babble a bit, however, it is possible to be very creative in that state.  I know from experience.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:54:56 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)



i don't know about that .....but i just wondered what else this sonar might pick up......maybe there is buried gold/drugs/etc...or an underground tunnel to venezuela????  maybe that was where the supposed car chase took place????   just random peckings of a psycho....crackhead bob!
LOLOLO to myself again


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: cancon on June 21, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
Martin you are hilarious and wise


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 01:55:01 PM
Can anyone speculate what might have happened if the Holloways did not get the media involved?  They went to the home of VDS, who blew them off then went to the police who also blew them off.  One of the police officers went as far as to say for them to go to C&C on Wednesday evening ---Natalee would probably show up because it was Ladies Night.  I am getting more and more aggrivated by this all of the time.  I can only imagine what the family is going through.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
just walked in the room and someone had switched the TV from FOX NEWS to a soap opera and yet it took me 5 minutes to realize the difference  :?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.



what the name of this post again?/ RUMORS of breakign news???/am i wrong that the 1st word is Rumor??sometimes its the rumors that get you to look at things ina different perspective...soemtimes they just mes up everything, but we dont know which one it is first


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tarmand on June 21, 2005, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: "sarah"
The Holloways should not go behind the scenes, as some have posted.  As soon as they do this, the story will slowly fade away.  As long as they keep talking, the Arubians will be worried about their tourism and hopefully solve this case in quicker fashion in order to restore some sort of peace on the island.


I agree completely sarah.  The Holloway family should continue to do whatever they can to keep their daughter's disappearance in the limelight.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?

yes, we have talked about that. I think on tickle "visited" means like when you just when in their site. (not like myspace that registers when the owner of the page accesses it)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamajo on June 21, 2005, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


i wondered that too.  either that or their family members.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: daInHsv on June 21, 2005, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D
 symantac 2005


Go to http://www.ip2location.com/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


teh suspect Steve croes...his uncle is a retired police officer..he retired a LONG time ago

"panty boy" works for TOP95




      so he answers phones for DAG or what???? :?:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 01:57:56 PM
Calling in:

I am sure if your government asked one of our chaperones to come over for an interview they would. They are probably to afraid to speak out for fear they might ruin your case. But as far as I am concerned everything we do know up until the time she went missing we know because of the people whom she was with. The arrested Joran because her classmates identified him. They said she went into a "taxi". They also stated what bar they went to. What else could they say.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: melrose on June 21, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Hey guys - I just had a Eureka moment.

How many of us are on here every day?  

We say over and over we just want to find Natalee....can we put our money where our mouth is?  

What do you think - why don't we all donate $20 (or whatever you can afford - it all adds up) to the rescue group.  It's really easy - they have a phone number posted and everything.  

If we ALL did that, truly ALL of us, how much money do you think we could help them out with???

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Network for Good Giving; they keep 3%, not bad, and you can designate who money goes to; I said "Natalie Holloway Search"
They email you a copy of receipt; it's tax deductible.
Don't forget your email address when signing in for the first time.
$10 minimum
Monkey See, Monkey Do.....right?????


monkey did


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


teh suspect Steve croes...his uncle is a retired police officer..he retired a LONG time ago

"panty boy" works for TOP95
Thank You!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 21, 2005, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.


I don't know if this has been posted yet or not...if it has please forgive the post.....The family did not hire ES...they are a volunteer organization comprised of retired law enforcement (mainly) persons who volunteer their time.....they are bringing in the 'best of the best' not just from TX....they are a very poresssional group of caring people.....ES is funded by donations only.....last I heard on Fox they were having problems getting a commercial flight to handle not only the equipment, but the dogs...who MUST fly in the passenger area.  there was no mention of horses....seriously doubt they would be utilized.....a lot of the equipment they are bringing will be for water searches..... A charter plane R/T for persons, dogs and equipmet is approx  75K...they need help...if anyone has any connections to a private  flight or wishes to make a donation please contact ES...

Thanks

Bring Natalee Home


Title: aol account
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 01:58:23 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked...  You guys are so fast I can't keep up!

But if it's being reported that Natalee's AOL account has been accessed, where would that info come from?

Natalee's parents would know the answer if it was them who accessed it while looking for information (it most likely was) or if the investigators did so; in this case we might assume they wouldn't have been the source for suggesting the mystery to the press.  Am I wrong?  Did Beth say it in an interview & I just missed that part?

No lay person would know, because that info isn't listed publicly on the internet -- as opposed to the speculation caused when Joran's Tickle.com site showed that he had accessed it within 3 days of Natalee's disappearance.  We could all see that information.  Not so with an AOL account.  Right?

It would seem logical that only one or more of the investigators would have access to that information.  So, where did that report come from?  AND WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE IN LEAKING IT?

The implication is Natalee is alive somewhere and free to frivolously access her computer account.  So, who would benefit from leaking that?  

Something that needs a hard look.

Please let me know if y'all know differently or have other suggestions.  Wondering about it is bothering me right now.


Title: aol account
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 01:58:50 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked...  You guys are so fast I can't keep up!

But if it's being reported that Natalee's AOL account has been accessed, where would that info come from?

Natalee's parents would know the answer if it was them who accessed it while looking for information (it most likely was) or if the investigators did so; in this case we might assume they wouldn't have been the source for suggesting the mystery to the press.

No lay person would know, because that info isn't listed publicly on the internet -- as opposed to the speculation caused when Joran's Tickle.com site showed that he had accessed it within 3 days of Natalee's disappearance.  We could all see that information.  Not so with an AOL account.  Right?

It would seem logical that only one or more of the investigators would have access to that information.  So, where did that report come from?  AND WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE IN LEAKING IT?

The implication is Natalee is alive somewhere and free to frivolously access her computer account.  So, who would benefit from leaking that?  

Something that needs a hard look.

Please let me know if y'all know differently or have other suggestions.  Wondering about it is bothering me right now.


Title: Re: Just my personal concern
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Having been the parent of a missing child, I can relate to what NH's family is going thru. You grab on to any piece of information no matter how minor or absurd it may seem. If you think someone may know something, you want to grab them by the throat and shake it out of them, someone will have to hold you back to keep you from grabbing them. Time means nothing so it doesn't even enter your mind that beating on a door at 1am may not be the most approproiate way to handle it. You waffle between dispair and hope. Your life is a roller coaster of ups and downs with the always present fear underlying everything. A million times a day you are asking yourself "Where is my Child??" You feel totally helpless. A mother is suppose to protect her child but how can you do that if you can't find your child? You become crazed and insistant and demanding. If walking down the aisle nude in a Sunday church service would bring your child home, you'd parade naked all the way to the church.  It has been 16 years since my child was missing but the memories are fresh and raw as if it were yesterday.


Now having first hand knowledge of the emotions the Holloway family is going thru, I know how easy it is to go "over the top". I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building. From what I understand, the Aruban system is very much different than what we are accustomed to in the US. I truely hope that any legal council they hire will be able to lead them thru this. How sad would it be for this to be thrown out of the Aruban courts because of over-anxious Americans.


I feel compassion for your loss and for the lack of closure.

I do not feel that the Holloways will jeopardize the case. I believe that any information they will obtain will be held until AFTER the prosecution has run it's course. And then, if there is no resolution, LOOK OUT.


PROF:  WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, MORE VEILED THREATS?  I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW IT COULD GET MUCH WORSE WITHOUT BEING COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.


There are criminal prosecutions and civil prosecutions. And, if the criminal prosecution does not reach a resolution, there may be civil suits that may be available, like in the O. J. Simpson case.

And that is not a veiled threat. That is a promise.
 

LETS SEE, WHO CAN WE SUE?  TRAVEL AGENT, CHAPERONES, PARENTS WHO ORGANIZED THE TRIP, HOLIDAY INN, ARUBA POLICE, v/d sloots, kalpoes, and steve.  Who else?  I bet they could get more ation if they sued the US parties who may have been negligent.  I cannot imagine this is all about money!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: TexasSugarfoot on June 21, 2005, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?

i located it like a week ago and we all looked at it..we came to the conclusion that the ppl were in fact the same ppl. does anyone remember the site ? i dont have saved it...i think we emailed it to fox....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 02:00:48 PM
Word on the street is valid as long as it is labeled as such.

I just know I heard the uncle tell a reporter that they would be willing to take plolygraphs but only if all the parties in Aruba did also.


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: littletxlady on June 21, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: "daInHsv"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D
 symantac 2005


Go to http://www.ip2location.com/


http://analyzer.symantec.com/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Wench...do you EVER sleep, girlfriend?  :shock:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


Sometimes word on the street isn't given enough credence. Ask any undercover cop. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 02:01:39 PM
Could someone please confirm this information:  There was something I read on here last night that has been gnawing at me:

Did I read correctly that Joran's Dad said he picked Joran up around 3AM at McDonalds the morning NH went missing?  There was also info posted last week that Joran made a call from his cell phone around that time from Santa Cruz.  Can anyone confirm this?

Sorry if I am rehashing old news, but since JVS has now changed his story to "I left her alseep on the beach" and if the above info is true -- then I haven't wasted a good mad afterall!

Reason:  
1) Hypothetically, if a respectable young man had an "innocent" encounter with a lovely young tourist, why in the *&^% would he go off & leave her alone ... on the beach, instead of seeing to it that she got back to her hotel safely?    
2) & Why is Dad picking up the son @ 3am if all is well?  Makes no sense unless it's a cover up -- thus the 9 hour questioning of Dad VD Sloot
3) If it was a situation where something accidental did happen & Joran panicked and left her  - Dad would have known something was wrong, and he did nothing to help her.

Not trying to cause a stir with bad information -- Just my 2 & 1/2 cents worth


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?
Rob, I located that pic a week ago...but it was dismissed....been there done that...but I still believe it is him...therefore...I have some reservations about TOP95...no offense to anybody...just my personal observation


Title: Patriot Act and Gitmo
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "SPSII"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "SPSII"
They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????


I saw it on Meet The fo**ers....thought it was interesting.  :lol:


Yes, it really works in the movies.  Actually I don't think Sodium Pent. would do the job.  For those of you who have been through surgeries, you know that you do babble a bit, however, it is possible to be very creative in that state.  I know from experience.


FYI, heard on the radio that suspect has been under sleep depravation, extreme temperature....and other interogation methods.  (cept torture).  Elio Nicolaas is besides himself saying he cannot believe the youths were not able to crack as of yet...either they don;t know nothing or they're really tough.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
The only reason that they don`t give evidence and all the info to natalee`s parents and to the media, is that what I said before because our justice system is very diffent then that of the US.

What if they would tell the family and the media what they 'have' on the suspects and it`s leaking out!! Then in our system the judge can throw all this out based on the leaks and the "guilty" can go free!!

Nobody wants this to happen I would assume!


If this is how the Aruban system works, then please explain the actions of the lawyers for the two security guards who were first arrested in the NH case.  As soon as they were given the statements of the three young men that resulted in their clients arrest, the lawyers were on camera quoting it for the press.  If what you're saying is true, then all any defense attorney would have to do to get his client acquitted is to divulge the most damning evidence publically.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: americaninaruba on June 21, 2005, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


well then since what is saidheremeans nothgin and its all worthless ebcuae you wontbelieve it unless it comes from an american (which I am proud to say I am, except inthese situations) maybe thenif you are so perfect and only you can do everything the correct way tehn maybe you should sit here and do everythign and screw the FBi thats here because there not doign anything either there just here onvacation because they havent said anythign and mayeb since you are so good go ahead and translate news yourself! oh no but wait you dont need the news here because everything said here is bul crap and worthless so go ahead and listen to fox & cnn dont even bother to come onthis site eiter!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


I'm glad your story had a good ending and your child was brought home.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 21, 2005, 02:03:38 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.


I don't know if this has been posted yet or not...if it has please forgive the post.....The family did not hire ES...they are a volunteer organization comprised of retired law enforcement (mainly) persons who volunteer their time.....they are bringing in the 'best of the best' not just from TX....they are a very poresssional group of caring people.....ES is funded by donations only.....last I heard on Fox they were having problems getting a commercial flight to handle not only the equipment, but the dogs...who MUST fly in the passenger area.  there was no mention of horses....seriously doubt they would be utilized.....a lot of the equipment they are bringing will be for water searches..... A charter plane R/T for persons, dogs and equipmet is approx  75K...they need help...if anyone has any connections to a private  flight or wishes to make a donation please contact ES...

Thanks

Bring Natalee Home


I have been in touch with them about corporate planes I know of that are at Hobby--hope they find an angel.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?
Rob, I located that pic a week ago...but it was dismissed....been there done that...but I still believe it is him...therefore...I have some reservations about TOP95...no offense to anybody...just my personal observation


i respect that...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: "melrose"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Hey guys - I just had a Eureka moment.

How many of us are on here every day?  

We say over and over we just want to find Natalee....can we put our money where our mouth is?  

What do you think - why don't we all donate $20 (or whatever you can afford - it all adds up) to the rescue group.  It's really easy - they have a phone number posted and everything.  

If we ALL did that, truly ALL of us, how much money do you think we could help them out with???

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Network for Good Giving; they keep 3%, not bad, and you can designate who money goes to; I said "Natalie Holloway Search"
They email you a copy of receipt; it's tax deductible.
Don't forget your email address when signing in for the first time.
$10 minimum
Monkey See, Monkey Do.....right?????


monkey did

WooHoo!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:04:15 PM
chaperones signed releases.

(being a teacher/chaperone I do the same thing)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 02:05:07 PM
msnbc speculates that lie detectors will be used if consent is given.....


also, i hope all the chaperones and kids have been fully interviewed. i am not saying anything bad about natalee or the holloways, but i really think this whole thing is missing a few puzzle pieces here.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 02:05:09 PM
Word on the street is valid as long as it is labeled as such.

I just know I heard the uncle tell a reporter that they would be willing to take plolygraphs but only if all the parties in Aruba did also.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Word on the street is valid as long as it is labeled as such.

I just know I heard the uncle tell a reporter that they would be willing to take plolygraphs but only if all the parties in Aruba did also.


does this include the public info official in aruba???
also can they do OBdumner/minister guy while they are at it....not that
any of it be legal/admissable  and  not that  
any of it would amt to anythin
but a big  interragory questionmark
for the american and aruban people.

hell, i'll take one


Title: Re: HIVE STIRRED
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: "daInHsv"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote
i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge...

What is that program Rob?  I want it! :D
 symantac 2005


Go to http://www.ip2location.com/

Thank you all, very helpful sites.  I must get one of these programs, lol


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: gaijin on June 21, 2005, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!




But let's not jump on arubagirl.
-------------------------------------
Just credit where credit is due..
its "AmericaninAruba"  you've all been talking to all day...
(and talk to almost everyday)
Arubagirl is at work...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?
Rob, I located that pic a week ago...but it was dismissed....been there done that...but I still believe it is him...therefore...I have some reservations about TOP95...no offense to anybody...just my personal observation


waiting<---good source....has their own gun and handcuffs too  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:06:17 PM
serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bkelly710 on June 21, 2005, 02:06:36 PM
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: air23ac on June 21, 2005, 02:07:32 PM
it is really a bunch of crap...the parents should get to see the evidence collected so far......the aruban police should have them sign a consent form to make sure they don't blab the info to the media until after the case is solved or closed.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.


I don't know if this has been posted yet or not...if it has please forgive the post.....The family did not hire ES...they are a volunteer organization comprised of retired law enforcement (mainly) persons who volunteer their time.....they are bringing in the 'best of the best' not just from TX....they are a very poresssional group of caring people.....ES is funded by donations only.....last I heard on Fox they were having problems getting a commercial flight to handle not only the equipment, but the dogs...who MUST fly in the passenger area.  there was no mention of horses....seriously doubt they would be utilized.....a lot of the equipment they are bringing will be for water searches..... A charter plane R/T for persons, dogs and equipmet is approx  75K...they need help...if anyone has any connections to a private  flight or wishes to make a donation please contact ES...

Thanks

Bring Natalee Home


I have been in touch with them about corporate planes I know of that are at Hobby--hope they find an angel.


I have contacted a few people that might be able to help too...Thanks
Bring Natalee Home


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Woah, Professor...man take a chill PILL!

She asked a question, don't put words in her mouth and try to stir some drama.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  :)


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?
Rob, I located that pic a week ago...but it was dismissed....been there done that...but I still believe it is him...therefore...I have some reservations about TOP95...no offense to anybody...just my personal observation


waiting<---good source....has their own gun and handcuffs too  :D
TRUE DAT MY GHETTO FABULOUS SISTAH!  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


NO SHIT ROB!!!!!

and IMFHO
i have doubts too//// too many "you hava mail"


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Professor on June 21, 2005, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Woah, Professor...man take a chill PILL!

She asked a question, don't put words in her mouth and try to stir some drama.


Just trying to clarify.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Scarlet on June 21, 2005, 02:10:34 PM
Did anybody just hear the Fox report about the suing?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:10:35 PM
BTW not sure is this was stated, I know for a fact no one but the FBI armed with some great search warrants could find out from AOL if Natalee signed on.

Can we let that rest in peace now?

 :D  I think I am grumpy today lol


Title: Re: update
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "pinto"
Quote from: "iquitos"
...  The Twittys arrived to find little had happened on the ground since it was noticed that Natalee was gone and they had to get the ball rolling immediately and they did.  Did you see the comment off the Scared Monkey main board I posted earlier form another LE person?  I am just observing that the effort may have gone too far and that is too bad.  The worst part is that even their effort was not enough to jump start the investigation  This is common in my experience overseas handling these cases.  Missing persons is a low priority until it is obvious that something bad has happened.   An island that depends on tourism sees lots of people go temporarily missing but to not take each one dead seriously is at their peril as this case has illustrated.


Very good post. You have to look at both sides here. We have the benefit of hindsight, of course, and we know something bad has happened. But at the time, to the Aruban LE, it was another dime-a-dozen missing girl. They can't call the FBI for every one of them, because usually it's a false alarm.

My brother works as a ski patrol and avalanche rescue guy. Kids (and others) are always getting lost on the mountain, and mothers freak out, and usually (99% of the time) it's nothing. But in an alpine environment, you can't wait. You have to check. You have to find them before dark. It's frustrating, though, for the patrollers because they spend (waste) a lot of time on situations that aren't dangerous. I'm sure this is how the Arubans felt initially.

Natalee's family, of course, knows that she wouldn't have missed the plane. The two groups weren't on the same page, and thus you end up with Natalee's family interrogating the VDSs, which compromised a criminal investigation (not faulting them, because the investigation hadn't started yet) and tipped off the VDSs. I think some of the Holloways' defensiveness and irritability is attributable to some guilt over this. (Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone there looking for her. It was a no-win situation.)

THe police obviously screwed this one up, because they probably still didn't think it was going to turn into a criminal investigation. With hindsight, I'm sure LE wouldn't have let the Holloways take this into their own hands.


thanks for the comment pinto.  i once bird dogged a case like this in argentina.  a local kid came into the embassy to report that an American  friend who was hitching around south america had not arrived in Buenos Aires as scheduled.  I kind of blew him off with the maybe she changed her mind and did not let you know,  He retorted very earnestly that she was not that way.  I took him seriously, ran her picture and a note in the local press, and somebody called the next day to report seeing a morgue shot of her in a newspaper.  she had been abducted, beaten, tied up, and left to drown at the beach.  Father came down and we tried to build a fire under the cops and trace leads but we could not get anybody to focus.  this was in the late '80's  I learned never to blow off a missing person report or let the local copes do it either.


I understand your point but as a mother I worry about everyone's kids and get very emotional about it. That is one time I could take a person out and not think twice about it.  Sorry for being so blunt!


Title: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:11:50 PM
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


well then since what is saidheremeans nothgin and its all worthless ebcuae you wontbelieve it unless it comes from an american (which I am proud to say I am, except inthese situations) maybe thenif you are so perfect and only you can do everything the correct way tehn maybe you should sit here and do everythign and screw the FBi thats here because there not doign anything either there just here onvacation because they havent said anythign and mayeb since you are so good go ahead and translate news yourself! oh no but wait you dont need the news here because everything said here is bul crap and worthless so go ahead and listen to fox & cnn dont even bother to come onthis site eiter!



WOW!!!  I am glad you got that off your chest!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: dandylion on June 21, 2005, 02:12:35 PM
:(   Ok maybe some maybe this theory has already covered, I would still like to have the infor confirmed or denied -- anyone -- please?!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Loren on June 21, 2005, 02:12:36 PM
Itawamba-

I was a F/A for Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) we did a few charity flights. If the dogs are crated I don't see a problem with them being on a G-4 or G-5. I don't know a soul there anymore but those corporations might just do it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:

ROFLMAO Kerin can always get me laughing!

Props to u nucka lol


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bkelly710 on June 21, 2005, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Loren on June 21, 2005, 02:13:11 PM
Itawamba-

I was a F/A for Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) we did a few charity flights. If the dogs are crated I don't see a problem with them being on a G-4 or G-5. I don't know a soul there anymore but those corporations might just do it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 02:13:59 PM
Today I have a very strong feeling that the house of cards built by the boys is about to fall.

Just a feeling.



The Arubans on this forum are wonderful.  We also need to remember that none of the three primary suspects (at this time at least) are native Arubans.

Blaming the Arubans makes about as much sense as blaming the people who lived in Oklahoma City for the bombing of the federal building.

That said, blaming  Nat's family is also not right.   Filing a lawsuit to try to get evidence (what they said they were doing) is just not the same things as "suing".    At least the way we use the language.  

If nothing else we have leaned how different the legal systems are.  Wow, throwing out a case because the public knows what is going on.  In this country no one could ever be convicted that way.

Many cases even have cameras in the courtroom.


Whatever bad happened, it is ONLY the fault of the people that did it.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: "bkelly710"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


Thanks for the link....I'm getting one.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:14:35 PM
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:14:59 PM
Hey Cali...props to your "plan", Dawg!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 02:15:42 PM
The only reason that they don`t give evidence and all the info to natalee`s parents and to the media, is that what I said before because our justice system is very diffent then that of the US.

What if they would tell the family and the media what they 'have' on the suspects and it`s leaking out!! Then in our system the judge can throw all this out based on the leaks and the "guilty" can go free!!

Nobody wants this to happen I would assume!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


Dibs on flyin in the cockpit  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


I like that plan except didn't that psychic guy have John Travolta crashing his plane on his little online dream thingie??


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: "Professor"


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


First, I'm not jumping on anybody.  Secondly, I agree with you that Aruban speculation about the Holloway family is the least informed source on what the family might do or think and therefore the least credible.  Finally, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that a lot of the anti-Holloway talk on TOP 95.1 represents the island mentality.  I still believe the vast majority of the Aruban people are sympathetic to the Holloway family and want very much to see this ordeal come to some type of conclusion.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:16:24 PM
I keep hoping/feeling that the past week is going to be the day that we are going to get somewhere on this case!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


Dibs on flyin in the cockpit  :wink:


(holding back on makin a comment to Wench's statement)  :evil:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: joebob on June 21, 2005, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "TexasSugarfoot"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Gee thanks Professor...lets just alienate one of the better sources of information that we have.  

Americaninaruba: Please continue to post news and rumors and even words from the street.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:17:03 PM
*caught up* not for long, I imagine lol

Questions and request for comments for our Aruban and Dutch friends - I hope this is not taken the wrong way - I would simply be intenrested in getting a feel for the 'soft' factors affecting this investigation.

- How would you see the working relationship between the Dutch investigators and the FBI?
we know that the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in Aruba, and the Aruban authorites, given their lack of experience and extreme media scrutiny, would presumably have handed the Dutch investigators a large role

- We have heard about the tensions between Arubans and Dutch nationals (common in many former colonies), would the Dutch investigators be looking after the interests of the Dutch nationals (the vdS's)?

My interest in this, is that we have 3 groups involved, to differing degrees, in this investigation.

The Arubans want to crack this case, but have virtually no experience with this type of case, and have limited resources for investigating this type of case - potential damage to their tourism (which employes 50% of the islanders), their image as the safest island in the Caribbean, etc.

The Dutch have one of their nationals involved. Aruba, as a protectorat of the Netherlands, presumably remits funds to them to cover Foreign Affairs and Defense, so they also have an interest of preserving Aruba's integrity. Have been awarded great latitude in the investigation, even if they don't have de facto jurisdiction in Aruba.

The FBI, several agents deployed, interest in cracking the case which involves the disappearance of an American national. They also need to preserve good relationship with Aruba and the Dutch - this is needed in the long term as far as their DEA involvement in the island.

Sorry for the long post!  I guess I verbalized what was going through my head/


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


I want to copilot.  MMMM  JOHN!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Rob"
serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


NO SHIT ROB!!!!!

and IMFHO
i have doubts too//// too many "you hava mail"


LOL!
Just babysitting my 2-year-old nephew is like trying to keep up with a greased pig.....Impossible! hehehehe


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:

ROFLMAO Kerin can always get me laughing!

Props to u nucka lol


teachers pick up such bad language habits from their students.   :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LemonDrop on June 21, 2005, 02:18:19 PM
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: AnnieMW1 on June 21, 2005, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "hope"
The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.


well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


They get very angry when the suggestion is made that they ONLY TEST THE PARENTS. That is what Elio Nicolaas was saying, if you recall.


WRONG AGAIN TEACH.  ELIO NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO SAY WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY.  FOX CUT HIM OFF.  HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMMON PRACTICE IN THE US OF POLYGRAPHING ALL THE PARTIES TO THE CASE.  HE WAS RESPONDING TO THE AMERICAN CLAMOUR FOR JORAN TO BE BE POLYGRAPHED.  THEY DON'T POLYGRAPH IN THE NETHERLANDS LIKE WE DO.  SO IF YOU WANT POLY, THEN POLY EVERYBODY LIKE IN THE US.  THIS MAN HAD A LOT TO SAY JUST NOW O THE RADIO FRO ANYBODY WHO BOTHERED TO LISTEN.  BUT WHY LISTEN.  WE ARE ALL KNOWING RIGHT PROF.  NO ROOM FOR ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW.  CRUSH EM, PUSH EM ASIDE, WE WILL SHOW THEM HOW OR THEY WILL BE REAL SORRY.  SOUND FAMILIAR?


I regret the growing antagonism on both sides, but I think it's entirely outrageous to ask Nat's parents, who weren't even on the island at the time of her disappearance, to take a lie detector test.  For what purpose?  Even asking Nat's roommates or trip members to take the same makes more sense than that!  At least they were there.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


Dibs on flyin in the cockpit  :wink:


(holding back on makin a comment to Wench's statement)  :evil:


Um, you don't have to hold back for my sake...out with it, girl...lol.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


I like that plan except didn't that psychic guy have John Travolta crashing his plane on his little online dream thingie??

Oh damn.. John don't fly! jk lol

Sort of offtopic but kind of on topic..
Stars have power, helpful toys etc Why do they never offer such things..hmmm
They could finance everything *sigh*

If I was a star, I would probably be broke because I would be giving all the time to help out.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:20:24 PM
GreatOwl...I talked like that once in front of my kids and they refused to get in the car with me. (thought I may have been drinking or something) LOL


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....



Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....

I just turned on Fox...they haven't said anything about it yet...have you heard more?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 21, 2005, 02:21:52 PM
I want a seat by the door and a parachute and a life vest. :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Professor"


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


First, I'm not jumping on anybody.  Secondly, I agree with you that Aruban speculation about the Holloway family is the least informed source on what the family might do or think and therefore the least credible.  Finally, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that a lot of the anti-Holloway talk on TOP 95.1 represents the island mentality.  I still believe the vast majority of the Aruban people are sympathetic to the Holloway family and want very much to see this ordeal come to some type of conclusion.


Hey JL, try tuning in and listening right now,  They are calling in in Dutch Spanish and Papiamento to comment on the case and how Aruba is getting a bad rap.  These are not nuts, They are serious people  But of course we don't need another point of view,  You already know everything from soundbites on Fox, that paragon of intellectual integrity and objectivity


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
GreatOwl...I talked like that once in front of my kids and they refused to get in the car with me. (thought I may have been drinking or something) LOL


Been there done that.  Over my 35 years it is funny how the expressions changed.  I alway had to make sure I was up to date.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....

I just turned on Fox...they haven't said anything about it yet...have you heard more?


If and when you guys hear the report..please post it. thanks


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?


possibliy.. highly likely..but alotta ppl dont really know aruba.. and may have associated it with other islands...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Compananzi on June 21, 2005, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


well then since what is saidheremeans nothgin and its all worthless ebcuae you wontbelieve it unless it comes from an american (which I am proud to say I am, except inthese situations) maybe thenif you are so perfect and only you can do everything the correct way tehn maybe you should sit here and do everythign and screw the FBi thats here because there not doign anything either there just here onvacation because they havent said anythign and mayeb since you are so good go ahead and translate news yourself! oh no but wait you dont need the news here because everything said here is bul crap and worthless so go ahead and listen to fox & cnn dont even bother to come onthis site eiter!


I think in every investigation no one is above suspicion.  The radio broadcast today mentioned that Elio Nicolaas thought it might be helpful for the family to also participate in the Q&A, but since we are only looking at one side of the coin then that is why the quagmire.  I still have questions that I have not seen brought up here....no MB knows why there was a shoveling match at CnC? What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book? Kinda odd for a straight A student to think darkly?  I'm more convinced that the 3 suspect have not confessed or cracked...because they can only know what happened so far. Disturbing fact that probably JVDS attempted suicide?  In fact Beth Holloway keep saying they know some of the info, and at least can point investigation closer to Natalee... the keyword is POINT.  The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction? That is kinda odd as well?  Issues suchas Missing to Kidnapped?  How does one determine that?  We hear nothing of what was in Natalee digital pictures, why withhold such information, whilst we all complain about slow investigation or no daily reports?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sandy on June 21, 2005, 02:22:42 PM
These are just the pictures of the trip as someone has just said - she already looked at the ones in the camera of Natalee's graduation.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....



Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?

You are so right Kelly.  They must be referring to the film Natalee's mom had developed from her camera that was found in her room.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: sarah on June 21, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....



Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?


I think they are doing anything and everything they can to keep this story fresh and interesting so that everyone will stay tuned.  Seems like everyday, either a new family member shows up or they find something to peak our interest.  Someone behind the scenes is really doing a great job orchestrating the family.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nisxan on June 21, 2005, 02:23:10 PM
About the pics found... I would imagine those are the prom and graduation pics they're been showing. BH didn't look at them until later...they may be using creative wording to build interest in the upcoming story.

IMO


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: curious on June 21, 2005, 02:23:10 PM
A couple of days ago, Fox mentioned that Beth finally looked at N's camera which had pictures from prom and graduation.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: LemonDrop on June 21, 2005, 02:23:30 PM
Quote

Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?


I'm confused too but that's what they JUST said!   :(  I mean what, they didn't look at the camera?  I'm sure they mean something else...perhaps a closer look or they JUST told Fox News what they know. I dunno....as I said it doesn't make sense.  

They still haven't come back with the info.   :?:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: "Mom in Ark"
I want a seat by the door and a parachute and a life vest. :wink:


smart thinking, Mom.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:

ROFLMAO Kerin can always get me laughing!

Props to u nucka lol


teachers pick up such bad language habits from their students.   :wink:


So true! I know we have many teachers but I work at a University in advising.. You don't want to know what I also have to try to decipher coming from "adults" lmao..We already went over what I hear from 1st graders at my daughter's school lol

Funny thing is, if you speak like them.. they don't find it cool anymore ROFLMAO


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bkelly710 on June 21, 2005, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


Thanks for the link....I'm getting one.


From what it looks like, you can only get them in the area..I live in Missouri!  If you find a way to get them outside of the area, let me know!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 21, 2005, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: "bkelly710"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


You've got a good link there. WZZK is a country music station in Birmingham. Try contacting them, they may be able to tell you how to order one.

The info on the fund at AmSouth is also legit.

"To raise awareness and hope for Natalee Holloway, 104.7 Birmingham's WZZK will be selling "Hope for Natalee" bracelets across the Birmingham/Metro area. The cost is $5, with all of the proceeds benefiting the Natalee Holloway Fund at Amsouth Bank.

"The bracelets were donated by a Virginia businessman who was touched by news accounts of Natalee's disappearance. WZZK hopes to donate as much as $20,000.00 to the fund. The Natalee Holloway Trust Recovery Fund was established to help offset the family's expenses while searching for her. The family has also expressed an interest in creating a future scholarship program to honor Natalee.

"Marcia Twitty, Natalee's Aunt, came up with the bracelet's message, as well as the powder blue color, which is Natalee's favorite.

"You can pick up these bracelets at all WZZK appearances, including City Stages, this weekend. The bracelets will soon be available at other community locations."
[/quote]


Title: NH mom finds pics
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....


If they are the same pics as on here this am, they are just graduation , etc


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nisxan on June 21, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
What's with all this "shoveling"?  Is this a new game we aren't playing here yet?

javascript:emoticon(':lol:')


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Mom in Ark"
I want a seat by the door and a parachute and a life vest. :wink:


smart thinking, Mom.


NO SHIT MO)M!!!
and a translator in case i run into locals!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: joebob on June 21, 2005, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote

Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?


I'm confused too but that's what they JUST said!   :(  I mean what, they didn't look at the camera?  I'm sure they mean something else...perhaps a closer look or they JUST told Fox News what they know. I dunno....as I said it doesn't make sense.  

They still haven't come back with the info.   :?:


There were other photos stored on her digital camera that the mother had not accessed before...don't know why...different memory card, operator problem, who knows. As far as I know, the new photots did not add any facts to the case.


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: "iquitos
Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?


Possibly, and for any number of reasons.  

1) It was expensive.  
2) Teen maybe didn't want to go -- best friend not going, etc.  
3) Other plans / scheduling conflicts.  This was one day after graduation -- often a time for family plans.  Also, quite a few teens were leaving the next week on a missions trip in S. America.
4) Fear of international flights/travel.  For example, all I could think about leading up to this was the Lockerbie tragedy and I secretly fretted way too much about it.  
5) Concerns over drinking.  Legal age or not, many parents &/or the students didn't like that idea.  And certainly didn't want to pay an all-inclusive price if it included liquor.

And any number of other reasons not listed here.

Now that you have an answer, what was your point?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:27:35 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
About the pics found... I would imagine those are the prom and graduation pics they're been showing. BH didn't look at them until later...they may be using creative wording to build interest in the upcoming story.

IMO



I think this is the case.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


I also saw that--a couple blogs that were linked from here I clicked on--they say the person was logged on (date) but they coinscide with the case--maybe another investigation--leaving them up to get info--I don't know....


Title: compananzi
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"

well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.


But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


well then since what is saidheremeans nothgin and its all worthless ebcuae you wontbelieve it unless it comes from an american (which I am proud to say I am, except inthese situations) maybe thenif you are so perfect and only you can do everything the correct way tehn maybe you should sit here and do everythign and screw the FBi thats here because there not doign anything either there just here onvacation because they havent said anythign and mayeb since you are so good go ahead and translate news yourself! oh no but wait you dont need the news here because everything said here is bul crap and worthless so go ahead and listen to fox & cnn dont even bother to come onthis site eiter!


I think in every investigation no one is above suspicion.  The radio broadcast today mentioned that Elio Nicolaas thought it might be helpful for the family to also participate in the Q&A, but since we are only looking at one side of the coin then that is why the quagmire.  I still have questions that I have not seen brought up here....no MB knows why there was a shoveling match at CnC? What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book? Kinda odd for a straight A student to think darkly?  I'm more convinced that the 3 suspect have not confessed or cracked...because they can only know what happened so far. Disturbing fact that probably JVDS attempted suicide?  In fact Beth Holloway keep saying they know some of the info, and at least can point investigation closer to Natalee... the keyword is POINT.  The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction? That is kinda odd as well?  Issues suchas Missing to Kidnapped?  How does one determine that?  We hear nothing of what was in Natalee digital pictures, why withhold such information, whilst we all complain about slow investigation or no daily reports?


compananzi.  thanks for that input.  good questions.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 21, 2005, 02:29:10 PM
I had to go take a break from reading this site.  One of the questions I went away pondering was why is the media coverage of this case so large.  I had to think about this a bit as I had to go back and figure out why I was so intrigued by this case.  

1. I do believe that the media will give us what we the viewers/listeners want.  The amount of people on this site as well as many others is one of the reasons why  there is such an emphasis on this case…We want to hear about it.

2. Why are so many of us intrigued?  I think it would be because a seemingly “happy” event turned ghastly wrong for a graduating senior whose life was about to begin.  This would explain a lot of young people being intrigued.  Secondly, as it was a group of high school graduates who had some teachers as “guardians” on the trip would explain why a lot of people who interact with kids might be intrigued (this would apply to me).  And yet another reason would be it was an American citizen in an exotic location-Aruba.  That would explain all the different countries wanting to hear about this case.  There are many others, but these are the ones that came to my mind.
I think that the media feeds us what we want; and in my opinion, by all of us being here (SM) as well as many other sites, that shows the media what we want.

Does this make sense to anyone else?  I will be honest.  I never followed a case so closely until now, but the reasons I just mentioned are why  I feel I am compelled to follow this case.  Someone else might have already said all of these things earlier; I apologize if so.  As I said, I took a break and thought about why I was here and why I care so much.  God bless Natalee, Aruba, the US, and all involved….


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


I also saw that--a couple blogs that were linked from here I clicked on--they say the person was logged on (date) but they coinscide with the case--maybe another investigation--leaving them up to get info--I don't know....


again...tickle sites show "last visited" and since YOU just visited, then the account had activity.
Myspace shows the last time the webpage OWNER used the account. :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:29:31 PM
so the pictures are nothing that could be used to prove that she was alive after may 30?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News just said that Natalee's mom found pictures after Natalee went missing, "more coming up" after this break. Don't know what the pictures were of or what they imply. Just FYI....



Little confused here........... as i am sure that you are too, but found pictures after she went missing? well they are prob from her trip right?


UGH--more confusion and I have no TV only the internet.  Unless someone took em and turned em in since they recognized her


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: "arlee"
Quote from: "iquitos
Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?


Possibly, and for any number of reasons.  

1) It was expensive.  
2) Teen maybe didn't want to go -- best friend not going, etc.  
3) Other plans / scheduling conflicts.  This was one day after graduation -- often a time for family plans.  Also, quite a few teens were leaving the next week on a missions trip in S. America.
4) Fear of international flights/travel.  For example, all I could think about leading up to this was the Lockerbie tragedy and I secretly fretted way too much about it.  
5) Concerns over drinking.  Legal age or not, many parents &/or the students didn't like that idea.  And certainly didn't want to pay an all-inclusive price if it included liquor.

And any number of other reasons not listed here.

Now that you have an answer, what was your point?
 

no point, i just associated the poor turnout with the comment on possible difficulty of recruiting travel facilitators for 130 some party animals on an all inclusive trip to a party island.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


I also saw that--a couple blogs that were linked from here I clicked on--they say the person was logged on (date) but they coinscide with the case--maybe another investigation--leaving them up to get info--I don't know....


again...tickle sites show "last visited" and since YOU just visited, then the account had activity.
Myspace shows the last time the webpage OWNER used the account. :)

I don't think that's right, Kerin. After all, with all of us visiting these sites, it would say 'last visited today'.

I think Tickle does indeed refer as to the last time the originator accessed it. It could easily be explained by the originator giving the username and password to a friend or relative to take down anything that may appear to be incriminating.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 21, 2005, 02:31:49 PM
what if, the boys don't really know the whole story? What if the elder VDrS, knows the whole truth. The boys may have come up with the lies to try and cover their being with Natalee, but what if she did pass out, not died, and joran called his dad for help after leaving her on the beach........Then it is to late, she is dead. Then daddy handles the hiding of the body, maybe that is why the boys haven't cracked as to where Natalee actually is.   Just thinking, I can't help but think the truth lies witht he father.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 21, 2005, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Loren"
Itawamba-

I was a F/A for Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) we did a few charity flights. If the dogs are crated I don't see a problem with them being on a G-4 or G-5. I don't know a soul there anymore but those corporations might just do it.


Thanks--I'll make a Plan B list if we hear they're still looking.  You can call them at: (281) 309-9500  or Toll Free: (877) 270-9500 - but those numbers are always busy - try faxing them at:  (281) 534-6719 with suggestions or people to contact.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:32:08 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


I saw a comercial this morning for careerbuiler.com that made me think of Tom, Red and all of you.. I about peed my pants because it was one guy in an office full of munkeys...one part of the comercial had a moneky with it's pants down on the copier..lmao I thought of FOM!!!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:32:18 PM
[
smart thinking, Mom.[/quote]

love to all
pray for natalee


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


I like that plan except didn't that psychic guy have John Travolta crashing his plane on his little online dream thingie??


I'll volunteer to wait here.   Hey, someone has to keep the home fires burning.  8)  8)


Title: media coverage
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
I had to go take a break from reading this site.  One of the questions I went away pondering was why is the media coverage of this case so large.  I had to think about this a bit as I had to go back and figure out why I was so intrigued by this case.  

1. I do believe that the media will give us what we the viewers/listeners want.  The amount of people on this site as well as many others is one of the reasons why  there is such an emphasis on this case…We want to hear about it.

2. Why are so many of us intrigued?  I think it would be because a seemingly “happy” event turned ghastly wrong for a graduating senior whose life was about to begin.  This would explain a lot of young people being intrigued.  Secondly, as it was a group of high school graduates who had some teachers as “guardians” on the trip would explain why a lot of people who interact with kids might be intrigued (this would apply to me).  And yet another reason would be it was an American citizen in an exotic location-Aruba.  That would explain all the different countries wanting to hear about this case.  There are many others, but these are the ones that came to my mind.
I think that the media feeds us what we want; and in my opinion, by all of us being here (SM) as well as many other sites, that shows the media what we want.

Does this make sense to anyone else?  I will be honest.  I never followed a case so closely until now, but the reasons I just mentioned are why  I feel I am compelled to follow this case.  Someone else might have already said all of these things earlier; I apologize if so.  As I said, I took a break and thought about why I was here and why I care so much.  God bless Natalee, Aruba, the US, and all involved….


you are right.  there are other reasons, slow news cycle, no resolution and the mdia are trapped in the stroy, close to home, high profile family, political pressure.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:35:26 PM
Here's the link to the commercial if anyone wants to laugh their butt of!! lol Sroll down to the Careerbuilder.com Monkey Business link LMAO

http://www.ifilm.com/superbowl?htv=12


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: joebob on June 21, 2005, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
so the pictures are nothing that could be used to prove that she was alive after may 30?


What I had read was that camera had pictures prior to the trip and then some from the trip. Her mother had apparently taken a second look at the camera and found some that she did not previously see.  

The photos were shots all prior to the C&C visit.  Maybe the photos have been studied more extensively at this point and there is some evidence contained within.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:35:53 PM
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


Whoa, didn't you see the psychic predict his death in a crash as he was flying his own plane? I don't want to take that chance yet!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "tarmand"
Has anyone else mentioned that the Tickle site of Deepak and Satish both say "Visited within the last week"?  Haven't they been in jail?  Do you think the authorities are monitoring those sites as well?


I also saw that--a couple blogs that were linked from here I clicked on--they say the person was logged on (date) but they coinscide with the case--maybe another investigation--leaving them up to get info--I don't know....


again...tickle sites show "last visited" and since YOU just visited, then the account had activity.
Myspace shows the last time the webpage OWNER used the account. :)

I don't think that's right, Kerin. After all, with all of us visiting these sites, it would say 'last visited today'.

I think Tickle does indeed refer as to the last time the originator accessed it. It could easily be explained by the originator giving the username and password to a friend or relative to take down anything that may appear to be incriminating.

unless it has changed, tickle only states "visited within last week, month, etc" unlike myspace which shows exact date and time. I monitor those sites for a school district but almost exclusively myspace


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: coco on June 21, 2005, 02:36:36 PM
MSNBC reporting there is a new development in the search for the little boy in Utah - no work as to what found but "something"

hoping it's very good news for this poor family


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"


holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


Title: those from mountain brook
Post by: thecuz on June 21, 2005, 02:37:47 PM
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  :wink:


I like that plan except didn't that psychic guy have John Travolta crashing his plane on his little online dream thingie??


I'll volunteer to wait here.   Hey, someone has to keep the home fires burning.  8)  8)


Fine, Catriana but you will need to get the online slang dictionary to use in our absence. (see CaliGirl for further info)  :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: "iquitos

Hey JL, try tuning in and listening right now,  They are calling in in Dutch Spanish and Papiamento to comment on the case and how Aruba is getting a bad rap.  These are not nuts, They are serious people  But of course we don't need another point of view,  You already know everything from soundbites on Fox, that paragon of intellectual integrity and objectivity


I've tuned in and listened.  I don't speak the language so it doesn't do me a lot of good.  However, I am familiar with call-in radio programs and know that the callers represent not the average persons opinion but typically the most zealous opinions.  And I certainly didn't say or imply anyone was nuts.  That's your inflammatory remark IQ.  

Personally, I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.  The vast majority of opinions I've read and those I've heard first-hand indicate Aruba is a beautiful and peaceful place and the Aruban people are especially friendly and helpful.  I suspect, despite the tone of your reply, that you're normally that way as well.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


I saw a comercial this morning for careerbuiler.com that made me think of Tom, Red and all of you.. I about peed my pants because it was one guy in an office full of munkeys...one part of the comercial had a moneky with it's pants down on the copier..lmao I thought of FOM!!!!!!!



For the record, the one with their pants down on the photo copier, was NOT me!   :roll:  :roll:


Title: A Miller - Reasons this case is big
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 02:38:16 PM
IMHO, and in no specific order:
1. People are tired of talking about Bvsh, IRaq, etc. since they cant do anything about it, at least if they talk about NH maybe it will be kept in the limelight.
2. NH's mom is the only reason the investigation is where it is today, people want to support her and push the Aruban govt to keep them from sweeping it under the rug.
3. The case has major economic implications for all Arubans.
4. There is a definite "bad guy" and we know it.  Facts are undisputable, she was there, the three were the last ones with her.  Someone has to come clean.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


Thanks for the link....I'm getting one.


FYI -- This is what Greta VS's producer told Dash her entire interview would be about.  Dash checked out all info:  Who donated them?  Where can you buy them?  How much do they cost?  Where does the money go?  She was eager to tell all about the fundraising bracelets, as that is what the producer swore she would be asked about -- about that & other community involvement, & personal anecdotes about Natalee to show what a wonderful person she it.  Can't figure out why Greta then threw the curveball, & asked only for the info already covered on Bill O'Reilly.  Disappointing.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:39:21 PM
waitingtoknow...good job :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
unless it has changed, tickle only states "visited within last week, month, etc" unlike myspace which shows exact date and time. I monitor those sites for a school district but almost exclusively myspace

Here's one from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=uaCGTquExJsTAGaT


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:39:59 PM
ROB-Those pics are very interesting!So this kid who seems to have been associated with these boys, ironically is the guy that found the items?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:40:06 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.


sounds like a reporter fishing for a story, doesn't it?  It is the first post...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:40:15 PM
bgo to socas!!![/quote]
FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)[/quote]



you know that tom and red have monkey rites....
its a local law here....i am not "lawyered up" enuf yet to even consider the monkey picture thing...i must have signed some ica contract bpromising to nevr go there!! :lol:  :lol: RAOFLMFAO!!!!!!!!  

you can send me ideas though...
maybe asking u where i should go
was mis-phrases....my mistakko :arrow:  :!:


long commercials if i type all way thru eh/??????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


I saw a comercial this morning for careerbuiler.com that made me think of Tom, Red and all of you.. I about peed my pants because it was one guy in an office full of munkeys...one part of the comercial had a moneky with it's pants down on the copier..lmao I thought of FOM!!!!!!!



For the record, the one with their pants down on the photo copier, was NOT me!   :roll:  :roll:


LMAO Cat! Isn't that the funniest thing?

I wish Tom and Red could use the last part.. where he apologizes and say.."it's just that I work with a group of monkeys" roflmao  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:40:45 PM
CALI....LOL...THAT COMMERCIAL WAS A SCREAM!!

(but wasn't that Catriana with her butt on the photo copier??)

 :P  :P  :P


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
ROB-Those pics are very interesting!So this kid who seems to have been associated with these boys, ironically is the guy that found the items?


 yes it is that is why said "conspricay" last week....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
waitingtoknow...good job :lol:
thanks..I saved the link this time...for future reference  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".


black hat is panty boy...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
unless it has changed, tickle only states "visited within last week, month, etc" unlike myspace which shows exact date and time. I monitor those sites for a school district but almost exclusively myspace

Here's one from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=uaCGTquExJsTAGaT

Hmmm, unless Steve has changed genders this appears to be a female?  :D


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: chloe2 on June 21, 2005, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.


sounds like a reporter fishing for a story, doesn't it?  It is the first post...

Does sound suspicious to me as well. I'm guessing the MB classmates who join us are pretty savvy to reporters by now, though.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


I saw a comercial this morning for careerbuiler.com that made me think of Tom, Red and all of you.. I about peed my pants because it was one guy in an office full of munkeys...one part of the comercial had a moneky with it's pants down on the copier..lmao I thought of FOM!!!!!!!



For the record, the one with their pants down on the photo copier, was NOT me!   :roll:  :roll:


i just spit coffee all over my screen!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:42:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"


holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


lets not go there again.  picture on the far right is actually two picures merged into one.  that is steve on the left in his skinny phase.  the guy on the right is not steve and not panty boy.  who is he?  His pic next to steve is clipped out of the pic with deepak and co.  sorry i still don't see any matches.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:42:58 PM
FOM...I was just thinking I could find a photo (if you are not using your actual face) and then e-mail it to you and give you directions.

You are cracking me up by the way!!!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
CALI....LOL...THAT COMMERCIAL WAS A SCREAM!!

(but wasn't that Catriana with her butt on the photo copier??)

 :P  :P  :P

See, I think of all of you WAY too much wnen I am not on here! lmao

I think I should save that link to break up forum hostility! lol

Hmm.. I think ScaredMonkeys needs a gift shop lol I want a shirt!  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:43:20 PM
croes appears to bew in the other pic. i did nt see that before, bc croes wasnt on the radar screen yet....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2005, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"


holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?

Yes, but that photo was cropped from another.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?
uhhh maybe a distraction???   I don't know...just seems strange that he works for TOP95


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "arlee"
Quote from: "iquitos
Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?


Possibly, and for any number of reasons.  

1) It was expensive.  
2) Teen maybe didn't want to go -- best friend not going, etc.  
3) Other plans / scheduling conflicts.  This was one day after graduation -- often a time for family plans.  Also, quite a few teens were leaving the next week on a missions trip in S. America.
4) Fear of international flights/travel.  For example, all I could think about leading up to this was the Lockerbie tragedy and I secretly fretted way too much about it.  
5) Concerns over drinking.  Legal age or not, many parents &/or the students didn't like that idea.  And certainly didn't want to pay an all-inclusive price if it included liquor.

And any number of other reasons not listed here.

Now that you have an answer, what was your point?
 

no point, i just associated the poor turnout with the comment on possible difficulty of recruiting travel facilitators for 130 some party animals on an all inclusive trip to a party island.


Our school does a no overnight one day senior trip still.  They get to miss a days school and go with teacher sponsors and it is free, due to previous fund raising.  In fact they even get spending money provided.



Last year over half the kids decided NOT to go even though they then had to actually come to school that day.


This year about ten percent did not go.

Reasons varied.  

1 A few were loners who really did not want to hang out with their classmates.
2.  Some had after school jobs and did not want to take off or could not get the day off.
3.  Some just don't like amusement parks--in this case some dont' like beaches.
4.  A few did not go because they did not want to miss an after school date with a boy or girl friend who was not a senior.
5.  A few did not go because a best friend or girlfriend could not go due to one of the reasons above.
6.  A couple did not go because they were angry the class did not vote for the place they wanted to go.

Half going when they had to pay that much to go is actually a pretty good turn out.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 21, 2005, 02:44:33 PM
Quote
holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


I think it sure looks like him, but others here have told me I am wrong.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:44:35 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"


holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


lets not go there again.  picture on the far right is actually two picures merged into one.  that is steve on the left in his skinny phase.  the guy on the right is not steve and not panty boy.  who is he?  His pic next to steve is clipped out of the pic with deepak and co.  sorry i still don't see any matches.



yeah the one on the left is merged together but the top middle one is not merged together..that is a pic of them two together in thepic...im not sayin oh this means something, just saying its strange...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:44:42 PM
YEAH...what happened to our SCARED MONKEY JUNKIE t-shirts???

::::calling Red:::::


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
CALI....LOL...THAT COMMERCIAL WAS A SCREAM!!

(but wasn't that Catriana with her butt on the photo copier??)

 :P  :P  :P

See, I think of all of you WAY too much wnen I am not on here! lmao

I think I should save that link to break up forum hostility! lol

Hmm.. I think ScaredMonkeys needs a gift shop lol I want a shirt!  :wink:


hold em hi hit bem lo COWBOY WANGTSA!!!!!
  DAG THATS GOOD


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
unless it has changed, tickle only states "visited within last week, month, etc" unlike myspace which shows exact date and time. I monitor those sites for a school district but almost exclusively myspace

Here's one from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=uaCGTquExJsTAGaT

Hmmm, unless Steve has changed genders this appears to be a female?  :D

Here's one (omitted: profile)  from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'

Not Steve Croes (obviously), just some girl on his 'network' ;)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 21, 2005, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
what if, the boys don't really know the whole story? What if the elder VDrS, knows the whole truth. The boys may have come up with the lies to try and cover their being with Natalee, but what if she did pass out, not died, and joran called his dad for help after leaving her on the beach........Then it is to late, she is dead. Then daddy handles the hiding of the body, maybe that is why the boys haven't cracked as to where Natalee actually is.   Just thinking, I can't help but think the truth lies witht he father.


Good logic.
What about Satish and Deepak?  Why do you think they agreed to the HI story in the first place.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: joebob on June 21, 2005, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?



You can't draw that conclusion from those photos.  Those photos have been photochopped.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
ROB-Those pics are very interesting!So this kid who seems to have been associated with these boys, ironically is the guy that found the items?


 yes it is that is why said "conspricay" last week....


maybe there is!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 02:47:15 PM
Getagrip wrote:
Quote
Questions and request for comments for our Aruban and Dutch friends - I hope this is not taken the wrong way - I would simply be intenrested in getting a feel for the 'soft' factors affecting this investigation.

- How would you see the working relationship between the Dutch investigators and the FBI?
we know that the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in Aruba, and the Aruban authorites, given their lack of experience and extreme media scrutiny, would presumably have handed the Dutch investigators a large role

- We have heard about the tensions between Arubans and Dutch nationals (common in many former colonies), would the Dutch investigators be looking after the interests of the Dutch nationals (the vdS's)?

My interest in this, is that we have 3 groups involved, to differing degrees, in this investigation.

The Arubans want to crack this case, but have virtually no experience with this type of case, and have limited resources for investigating this type of case - potential damage to their tourism (which employes 50% of the islanders), their image as the safest island in the Caribbean, etc.

The Dutch have one of their nationals involved. Aruba, as a protectorat of the Netherlands, presumably remits funds to them to cover Foreign Affairs and Defense, so they also have an interest of preserving Aruba's integrity. Have been awarded great latitude in the investigation, even if they don't have de facto jurisdiction in Aruba.

The FBI, several agents deployed, interest in cracking the case which involves the disappearance of an American national. They also need to preserve good relationship with Aruba and the Dutch - this is needed in the long term as far as their DEA involvement in the island.




As far of your 1st question; I don`t see anything wrong with the help of the FBI, b/c any help is needed I think. As far as jurisdiction, I think that must be just it "help"and advice not they can take over the case or something because the are not in the US.

As far for your 2nd question;  They certainly not give the vds any other
treatment b/c they are 'dutch', all suspects will be handled the same way.


As far for your 3th;  I think the majority of the dutch have no tension at all with arubians and antillians, and that that is more something of a media and political issue. I know I haven`t!


Hope you understand it a little because it`s difficult to explain it in english :D


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.

MB kids, proceed cautiously, if at all.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Chef_Hoovisan on June 21, 2005, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book?

...The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction?


The quote was from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird": "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be travelin' on now. 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see."

What initial broadcast are you talking about? I sure don't remember hearing that at all.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote
holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


I think it sure looks like him, but others here have told me I am wrong.
STEVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON I AM QUESTIONING THE PHOTOS....I am only looking at 1st slide - guy with black cap...and 3rd slide..panty boy


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?



You can't draw that conclusion from those photos.  Those photos have been photochopped.



well the one in the middle hadnt been chopped..the one on the left has...then one in the middle is one of hte brothers with him....again, i am not concluding anything!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:48:04 PM
Hairline, teeth, and eyebrows -positioning- look different. Is it me?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Catriana"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

WORD!!!  :mrgreen:


KERIN
I have impotant questiion please!!!

perhaps it has been asked before...
how do i get some kind a picture on my left side??
u can p/m me if you want.

maybe this will all result in a
new  language thing called "monkeylingtop"
what a dialect... good thing rob doesn't knnow pap yet
he will be better off !!! some crazy cross between spanish,dutch/
indian/dutch/english/ that only smunderstand but not officially
nada es oifficiall i aqiu para exhapla....

bgo to socas!!!

FOM...I will PM you. Do you know what kind of picture you want? Yours? A monkey?  :)


I saw a comercial this morning for careerbuiler.com that made me think of Tom, Red and all of you.. I about peed my pants because it was one guy in an office full of munkeys...one part of the comercial had a moneky with it's pants down on the copier..lmao I thought of FOM!!!!!!!



For the record, the one with their pants down on the photo copier, was NOT me!   :roll:  :roll:


i just spit coffee all over my screen!!!


Stop, I'm gonna wet myself!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
ROB-Those pics are very interesting!So this kid who seems to have been associated with these boys, ironically is the guy that found the items?


Now THOSE two pics DOES look like the same person--facial structure-lips, mouth, eyes etc---

I know it was mentioned before--how he let the police know-but he also went and was touching the items when he wasn't supposed to be.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote
holy crap is that steve croes in that one photo?


I think it sure looks like him, but others here have told me I am wrong.
STEVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON I AM QUESTIONING THE PHOTOS....I am only looking at 1st slide - guy with black cap...and 3rd slide..panty boy


 i know that....1 and 3 are the same person.. im sure...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:48:59 PM
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?



You can't draw that conclusion from those photos.  Those photos have been photochopped.

exactly


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:49:11 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


No contact before Aruba because of several factual reasons..

Joran asked for her email address and Kerin and I are covered in post-it notes with every single friend, webpage etc lol We sort of have a friend tree and suspect affliation webpage trail... lol

Natalee's mom also said she did not know them before.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 02:49:13 PM
who knows, i dont know what im talking about...i think its time i move on from the picture assumptions


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"

no point, i just associated the poor turnout with the comment on possible difficulty of recruiting travel facilitators for 130 some party animals on an all inclusive trip to a party island.


Poor turnout?  I was surprised that that many of the kids went - but then again, Mountain Brook is an affluent area.  Despite what people may think, not all Americans are wealthy and trips to Aruba are expensive.  Party animals?  Where did you get your information that all the kids were "party animals"?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book?

...The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction?


The quote was from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird": "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be travelin' on now. 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see."

What initial broadcast are you talking about? I sure don't remember hearing that at all.


i heard a song called
who let the dogs out woolld b nxt!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:49:51 PM
The young man with the beanie on looks like him to me.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:50:15 PM
So cuz...how did Nat get her nickname???


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba. please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.[/quote]

Long lost cousin probably. Didn't get the Christmas newsletter.
 :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


It probably was the other way around.  Joran and his group seemed to look for those schools who had a record of coming to Aruba.  I think I read somewhere that this was the fifth year in a row that MB had taken this trip for seniors.  I am sure someone from the class was communicating with someone in Aruba just based upon the odds.  who those people were would be anyones guess.  They do not necessarily need to be anyone mentioned with this case.  It could have been completely innocent.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:51:33 PM
you know guys, i cant believe i cant get anywhere with this case...something is missing. there must be someone else involved...beyond papa vd sloot..


Title: -
Post by: someone on June 21, 2005, 02:52:06 PM
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


Title: DUTCH NATIONALS
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Getagrip wrote:
Quote
Questions and request for comments for our Aruban and Dutch friends - I hope this is not taken the wrong way - I would simply be intenrested in getting a feel for the 'soft' factors affecting this investigation.

- How would you see the working relationship between the Dutch investigators and the FBI?
we know that the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in Aruba, and the Aruban authorites, given their lack of experience and extreme media scrutiny, would presumably have handed the Dutch investigators a large role

- We have heard about the tensions between Arubans and Dutch nationals (common in many former colonies), would the Dutch investigators be looking after the interests of the Dutch nationals (the vdS's)?

My interest in this, is that we have 3 groups involved, to differing degrees, in this investigation.

The Arubans want to crack this case, but have virtually no experience with this type of case, and have limited resources for investigating this type of case - potential damage to their tourism (which employes 50% of the islanders), their image as the safest island in the Caribbean, etc.

The Dutch have one of their nationals involved. Aruba, as a protectorat of the Netherlands, presumably remits funds to them to cover Foreign Affairs and Defense, so they also have an interest of preserving Aruba's integrity. Have been awarded great latitude in the investigation, even if they don't have de facto jurisdiction in Aruba.

The FBI, several agents deployed, interest in cracking the case which involves the disappearance of an American national. They also need to preserve good relationship with Aruba and the Dutch - this is needed in the long term as far as their DEA involvement in the island.




As far of your 1st question; I don`t see anything wrong with the help of the FBI, b/c any help is needed I think. As far as jurisdiction, I think that must be just it "help"and advice not they can take over the case or something because the are not in the US.

As far for your 2nd question;  They certainly not give the vds any other
treatment b/c they are 'dutch', all suspects will be handled the same way.


As far for your 3th;  I think the majority of the dutch have no tension at all with arubians and antillians, and that that is more something of a media and political issue. I know I haven`t!


Hope you understand it a little because it`s difficult to explain it in english :D
 

ARE THEY NOT ALL DUTCH NATIONALS (CARRIERS OF DUTCH PASSPORTS) ?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: another monkey on June 21, 2005, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "veme"
I have got a question maybe someone can answer regarding the Texas Equine S&R.

How are the horse transported?

Is the plane made up like a stock trailer?

Do the horses need to be preped before a flight? Change in feed or water? Sedated?

Does a vet go with the group?

How many horses are going?

 Just wondering. I've got animals & know the kinds of stuff you can into moving them. God Bless Texas.
Thanks! :)

I don't think they are taking horses, they are taking dogs and sonar equipment.


Thanks! I didn't  know. I just assumed it was horses. :)


I'm betting they'll take the horses. They'll be useful in the hard-to-reach places. See my above post.

If they dont take horses it might be they are planning on gaining use of horses already on the island.

I wouldn't think so.  There is an old saying to the effect " A horse & rider share a great secret". It has to do with the understanding that a particular horse has with a particular rider.
A horse & rider  work like a team/couple. There is a great amount of affection on both sides. That type of work wouldn't be the best time to "switch horses". :)

Ditto
There is another old saying "Don't swithch horses in the middle of the steam"
Horses and owners have an unspoken and almost magical relationship with each other.


Too true...but like I said, competent riders should be able to ride any horse. So it's possible that they could be using island horses.


Rancho Notorious has a lot of horses and they are really cool people....


Title: Panty Boy
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?
uhhh maybe a distraction???   I don't know...just seems strange that he works for TOP95


If you meant panty boy worked for TOP85,...I thought I read earlier the SGC is the nephew of a big wheel at TOP95


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book?

...The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction?


The quote was from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird": "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be travelin' on now. 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see."

What initial broadcast are you talking about? I sure don't remember hearing that at all.


i heard a song called
who let the dogs out woolld b nxt!

FOM!!!!!  :shock: What has gotten into you today, my friend???? ROFLMBAO


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 21, 2005, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.

MB kids, proceed cautiously, if at all.


thecuz,

You should probably start by contacting your aunt or your uncle. I bet they would be happy to hear from you. They could also tell you how to get in touch with her friends.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


It probably was the other way around.  Joran and his group seemed to look for those schools who had a record of coming to Aruba.  I think I read somewhere that this was the fifth year in a row that MB had taken this trip for seniors.  I am sure someone from the class was communicating with someone in Aruba just based upon the odds.  who those people were would be anyones guess.  They do not necessarily need to be anyone mentioned with this case.  It could have been completely innocent.



important qurstion...
was this post u saw in english or papiamento???? :roll:
ARRRIBBBAAA!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:53:31 PM
On, NO!!!!!! Utah boy found.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: tarmand on June 21, 2005, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
unless it has changed, tickle only states "visited within last week, month, etc" unlike myspace which shows exact date and time. I monitor those sites for a school district but almost exclusively myspace

Here's one from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=uaCGTquExJsTAGaT

Hmmm, unless Steve has changed genders this appears to be a female?  :D

Here's one (omitted: profile)  from Steve Croes network that shows 'visited today'

Not Steve Croes (obviously), just some girl on his 'network' ;)


What I think is being said here is that if the tickle site is recording MY visit and stating "visited within last week" it should be stating "visited today".  So a natural assumption is that it is recording the owner's visit - not visitors.


Title: Re: travel facilitator misgivings
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 02:53:57 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "iquitos"

no point, i just associated the poor turnout with the comment on possible difficulty of recruiting travel facilitators for 130 some party animals on an all inclusive trip to a party island.


Poor turnout?  I was surprised that that many of the kids went - but then again, Mountain Brook is an affluent area.  Despite what people may think, not all Americans are wealthy and trips to Aruba are expensive.  Party animals?  Where did you get your information that all the kids were "party animals"?

And let me take exception to the "party island".   People do go there to have a good time, but generally not a wild time.  There is Cancun or places in the States for that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 02:53:57 PM
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
BTW not sure is this was stated, I know for a fact no one but the FBI armed with some great search warrants could find out from AOL if Natalee signed on.

Can we let that rest in peace now?

 :D  I think I am grumpy today lol


Sorry to pursue!  But only makes my question more puzzling...  

Knowing that mere access is not enough to surmise that Natalee herself was online (could have been parents, investigators, etc.) AND THAT NO ONE ELSE BUT VERY HIGH-END INVESTIGATORS could even find out it was accessed,  THEN WHO leaked the information, and FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

Is it a ploy to suggest through the media that the case is a hoax, a runaway situation?  Who benefits?  

I am very, very curious about this.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:54:02 PM
On Fox Now, but not saying dead or alive.


Title: Re: those from mountain brook
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "thecuz"
hi, i've noticed a few postings from a couple different people who are from mountain brook.  as natalee's cousin, i have encountered and befriended a few of her closest friends who are from there over the years.  i am anxious to speak with anyone who is close to natalee and/or who was with natalee on the trip.  i feel by speaking to some of her friends, i could get a better picture as to what the scenario was in aruba.  please send me a private message back, and i might not be able to check them until tomorrow.

MB kids, proceed cautiously, if at all.


I agree--wouldn't any family member be involved already and know info--I am sure there is a phone chain or something that relays info--not coming here.  And if they knew closest friends--why not talk to them directly????????


Title: Pictures on Nat's camera question?
Post by: Whodunit? on June 21, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
Does anyone really believe that there were only pictures of prom & graduation on it?  Would you tote a camera all the way to one of the most beautiful islands in the world and not take ANY pictures?

Just wondering......


Title: Re: -
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


hurling insults while remaining anomyomuos, usually brings out the discord in ppl....


Title: PANTY BOY
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 02:54:28 PM
I THOUGH PANTY BOY WAS A DJ.  HE WAS PRETTY DUMB ON CAMERA I RECALL AND NBC SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR BUYING THAT PIECE.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 21, 2005, 02:54:28 PM
Quote
Good logic.
What about Satish and Deepak?  Why do you think they agreed to the HI story in the first place.



perhaps because they were afraid some of Natalee's friends saw her actually get in the car, and could describe the car. They could have made the inital story up, then they had several days to get daddy VDrS's input on it.  Then the bros get arrested and realize the jig is up, and start telling the truth, that is, that the let joran and Natalee off near the marriott. I think joran probably did text message deepak and with a tease as to what he was able to get, not realizing Natalee was near death. Then he couldn't wake her up and left her on the beach to run and call his dad for help.
I just think some how the brothers are not that involved. I think this is a VDrS event. Perhaps the dad covering for the son.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
who knows, i dont know what im talking about...i think its time i move on from the picture assumptions
I tried...but it was brought up again...and I do know what I am talking about...but will keep my assumptions to myself and will just say to those who don't believe...told ya so....ha ha ha ha ha  (this is not directed at anybody)...for now...I move on


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG!!!!!!
That's incredible!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:55:14 PM
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: da wench on June 21, 2005, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG That is WONDERFUL NEWS.  Thanks so much for posting!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 02:55:29 PM
Thank God.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 21, 2005, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book?

...The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction?


The quote was from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird": "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be travelin' on now. 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see."

What initial broadcast are you talking about? I sure don't remember hearing that at all.

My friend had a feeling she was not long for this world and had a quote similar lto that in our yearbook. She passed away that same year.


Title: Re: Pictures on Nat's camera question?
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: "Whodunit?"
Does anyone really believe that there were only pictures of prom & graduation on it?  Would you tote a camera all the way to one of the most beautiful islands in the world and not take ANY pictures?

Just wondering......


whodunnit....
r u skeeered u r in one of the pictures????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
On Fox Now, but not saying dead or alive.


MSNBC.com says hes alive


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
EXCERPT FROM MONTGOMERY PAPER JUNE 19: http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5familysearch19w.htm
"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.

Speaking in an interview with The Associated Press late Friday, Bearman said Aruban authorities weren't totally to blame for their early failure to identify van der Sloot and the others, something she said the amateur sleuths did in less than three hours in Aruba.
"They did not know what was going on," she said. "We were there on a mission."


Terrified after hearing news any parent dreads, Beth Holloway Twitty landed in Aruba about 12 hours after learning her daughter Natalee had vanished during a graduation trip.

Accompanied by her husband and friends including Bearman on a donated corporate jet, Holloway Twitty had a few bits of information from Mountain Brook graduates who were on the trip, most importantly a physical description of a Dutch teenager -- a judge's son, they thought -- with whom Natalee was seen leaving a bar, Carlos' N Charlies', on May 30, the night she disappeared.

Bearman said the group also was told that Holloway's friends had seen the same teenager in the casino at the hotel where they were staying.

With help from some locals, Holloway's mother and the others determined the youth had been in the casino playing in a Texas Hold 'Em poker tournament, according to Bearman.
Players had to sign in, she said, and that gave them a name and initial: Joran V.

"After talking to enough people, we were able to deduce that it was Joran van der Sloot," she said. "Once we got the name we were able to track the address through people and we got the police. They escorted us and we went straight to the house."

Van der Sloot's father, Aruban judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot, said his son was out playing poker when the group first arrived at the house about 1 a.m., Bearman said. Still accompanied by police, the group went to a couple of places looking for van der Sloot before returning to the father's house and finding Joran van der Sloot there with one of the two Surinamese brothers who later were held.

"Basically we interrogated him," Bearman said. "He never denied being with her."

Van der Sloot described dancing with Holloway at the bar and said "she wanted to go with me" at closing time, according to Bearman.

Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.

His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.

"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.

While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.

Van der Sloot and the Surinamese brothers -- Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 -- were interrogated by police the next day and released. While later taken into custody, no one has been charged. " END of EXCERPTS

#1. I think that she's just saying that kids were in the lobby and they would have seen Natalee if she had come in -- NOT tht they were waiting for her.

I agree with Iquitos that, however well-intentioned, this whole thing might have been handled badly by Americans from the start. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have done the samething.

My question and one that I bet you will see the Twitty's come back to after this is resolved in one way or another:

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: thecuz on June 21, 2005, 02:56:33 PM
Great owl, i can't help but feel slightly insulted from your comment.  as a family member, i can testify to the media frenzy more than you could even imagine.  i have remained away from these sites because i have not felt the need to get involved publically with natalee's case because the issue is all too private.  my question still stands with those from mountain brook to send me a private message if they want to.  and if need be, i can verify any information about natalee for those who apparently think i am nothing but a "story seeker."  i've grown up with natalee, and i'm just a few years older than her; i can tell you everything about her.  however, (since i'm not trying to seek a story) i would like anyone who replies to send me a private message.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG!!!!!!
That's incredible!


thank God...... :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


No contact before Aruba because of several factual reasons..

Joran asked for her email address and Kerin and I are covered in post-it notes with every single friend, webpage etc lol We sort of have a friend tree and suspect affliation webpage trail... lol

Natalee's mom also said she did not know them before.


Caligirl--I think I need to borrow some post it notes from u guys--I am on information overload with details-pics-webpages--holy crap.....  Thanks for answering--just a thought (1 out of 1,00000000000000000000000000)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OH MY GOD!  OH OH!  Oh I am crying.  Thank God!  What had happened to him?  Where did they find him?!

Oh I am so relieved!

(But I'm still heartbroken about the 12-year-old who went missing in the same area last year.  They interviewed his dad, tears rolling down his face.  Too, too hard to imagine.)


Title: Re: -
Post by: Chef_Hoovisan on June 21, 2005, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


I agree to a great extent. I, for one, do find some of the alternative theories to be quite intriguing, even if they are highly unlikely. Of course, there is another forum (Theory and Speculation) that was set up for those discussions. This one is supposedly for Rumors of Breaking News, but it has evolved into something very different. I don't post here very often because of that.


Title: Re: DUTCH NATIONALS
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 02:57:24 PM
Thank you for answering my questions, Hannie :)

Iquitos, only the vd Sloots are Dutch nationals (carry Dutch passports, as far as I know, they are all born in the Netherlands)

Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "HannieC"
Getagrip wrote:
Quote
Questions and request for comments for our Aruban and Dutch friends - I hope this is not taken the wrong way - I would simply be intenrested in getting a feel for the 'soft' factors affecting this investigation.

- How would you see the working relationship between the Dutch investigators and the FBI?
we know that the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in Aruba, and the Aruban authorites, given their lack of experience and extreme media scrutiny, would presumably have handed the Dutch investigators a large role

- We have heard about the tensions between Arubans and Dutch nationals (common in many former colonies), would the Dutch investigators be looking after the interests of the Dutch nationals (the vdS's)?

My interest in this, is that we have 3 groups involved, to differing degrees, in this investigation.

The Arubans want to crack this case, but have virtually no experience with this type of case, and have limited resources for investigating this type of case - potential damage to their tourism (which employes 50% of the islanders), their image as the safest island in the Caribbean, etc.

The Dutch have one of their nationals involved. Aruba, as a protectorat of the Netherlands, presumably remits funds to them to cover Foreign Affairs and Defense, so they also have an interest of preserving Aruba's integrity. Have been awarded great latitude in the investigation, even if they don't have de facto jurisdiction in Aruba.

The FBI, several agents deployed, interest in cracking the case which involves the disappearance of an American national. They also need to preserve good relationship with Aruba and the Dutch - this is needed in the long term as far as their DEA involvement in the island.




As far of your 1st question; I don`t see anything wrong with the help of the FBI, b/c any help is needed I think. As far as jurisdiction, I think that must be just it "help"and advice not they can take over the case or something because the are not in the US.

As far for your 2nd question;  They certainly not give the vds any other
treatment b/c they are 'dutch', all suspects will be handled the same way.


As far for your 3th;  I think the majority of the dutch have no tension at all with arubians and antillians, and that that is more something of a media and political issue. I know I haven`t!


Hope you understand it a little because it`s difficult to explain it in english :D
 

ARE THEY NOT ALL DUTCH NATIONALS (CARRIERS OF DUTCH PASSPORTS) ?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


can I get that one!!!!??????


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Hairline, teeth, and eyebrows -positioning- look different. Is it me?


If you're talking about the center collection of photos, yes, those are clearly NOT the same person.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 02:59:23 PM
let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Catriana on June 21, 2005, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?



You can't draw that conclusion from those photos.  Those photos have been photochopped.


I don't think that the guy holding the green bottle and the "panty" boy are the same.   Different brows, different chin shape..  and the ears are not exactly the same.   I have to admit, they do look very similar.  But, I think there are enough distinquishable differences to put it in the probably not column.


Title: Re: -
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


hurling insults while remaining anomyomuos, usually brings out the discord in ppl....


Someone,

I myself, don't hurl insults. For the fact of meaningless chatter, I don't find it meaningless to (since some of us live here 24/7 trying to help out) break the monotomy when things are getting heated and try to all have a wonderful kumbaya giggle session to relieve tension.

Loosen up. There's always a wealth of information going on as well as some MUCH needed uplifting of spirit chatter.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


It probably was the other way around.  Joran and his group seemed to look for those schools who had a record of coming to Aruba.  I think I read somewhere that this was the fifth year in a row that MB had taken this trip for seniors.  I am sure someone from the class was communicating with someone in Aruba just based upon the odds.  who those people were would be anyones guess.  They do not necessarily need to be anyone mentioned with this case.  It could have been completely innocent.



important qurstion...
was this post u saw in english or papiamento???? :roll:
ARRRIBBBAAA!!


sorry, but since I don't use that topping on my pizza it would have had to be in english.     :roll:  I need to plead ignorance even at my age.  I had no idea what language was spoken in Aruba and I date back to the US civil war days.


Title: ROOFIES
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:00:03 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote
Good logic.
What about Satish and Deepak?  Why do you think they agreed to the HI story in the first place.



perhaps because they were afraid some of Natalee's friends saw her actually get in the car, and could describe the car. They could have made the inital story up, then they had several days to get daddy VDrS's input on it.  Then the bros get arrested and realize the jig is up, and start telling the truth, that is, that the let joran and Natalee off near the marriott. I think joran probably did text message deepak and with a tease as to what he was able to get, not realizing Natalee was near death. Then he couldn't wake her up and left her on the beach to run and call his dad for help.
I just think someone how the brothers are not that involved. I think this is a VDrS event. Perhaps the dad covering for the son.
 

I CAN VIZUALIZE THE MESSAGE:  " ROOFIES WORKED GREAT"


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


can I get that one!!!!??????

Sure just right click over the image and select the appropriate action.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


wow, now we just need that same great news for Nat!!

Do you know where they found him? I know he was lost in those woods/mountains (not that familiar with where they were)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 03:00:41 PM
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/SatishIMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot197fs.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot134rv.jpg)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "jac723"
I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


No contact before Aruba because of several factual reasons..

Joran asked for her email address and Kerin and I are covered in post-it notes with every single friend, webpage etc lol We sort of have a friend tree and suspect affliation webpage trail... lol

Natalee's mom also said she did not know them before.


Caligirl--I think I need to borrow some post it notes from u guys--I am on information overload with details-pics-webpages--holy crap.....  Thanks for answering--just a thought (1 out of 1,00000000000000000000000000)


lol Jac! NO doubt..last night I had a brain overload breakdown!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)


and mike the lazyass he said ho himself   LOLFOM!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


That's Geraldo getting his latest scoop, right?  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/SatishIMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot197fs.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot134rv.jpg)


It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 21, 2005, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG!!!!!!
That's incredible!


thank God...... :lol:




Thank God, his parents must be able to breathe now. I felt so bad for them this morning on TV


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 21, 2005, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)
thank you....some are confused...this may clear it up


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 21, 2005, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


That's Geraldo getting his latest scoop, right?  :D


Paulus Van Der Sloot was seen running after his latest round of questioning. It seems he was trying to outrun.....monkeys??....did I hear you correctly, Geraldo?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
I don`t think it`s the same person look at his chin.


Title: Re: -
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: "someone"

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.


"someone" earns a "hypocrite" award.   :?


Title: Missing boy in Utah found Alive!!
Post by: georgiablues on June 21, 2005, 03:04:34 PM
*** Just heard on NPR that the missing boy un Utah has been found alive!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


wow, now we just need that same great news for Nat!!

Do you know where they found him? I know he was lost in those woods/mountains (not that familiar with where they were)


All that they are saying is he was found near Lilly Lake and he's in GOOD condition!  They are taking him to the hospital via helicopter.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 21, 2005, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I don`t think it`s the same person look at his chin.

You're right...chins are quite different, and 'pantie boy' has a mole on his face, which 'beanie boy' doesn't seem to have.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)


and mike the lazyass he said ho himself   LOLFOM!


FOM...OK...that's IT!!!!!!! I am crying from the news on FOX about Brennan being found and also crying from your hilarious comments!!!


Title: Re: -
Post by: inspector_detector on June 21, 2005, 03:06:52 PM
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


I agree to a great extent. I, for one, do find some of the alternative theories to be quite intriguing, even if they are highly unlikely. Of course, there is another forum (Theory and Speculation) that was set up for those discussions. This one is supposedly for Rumors of Breaking News, but it has evolved into something very different. I don't post here very often because of that.


I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)


and mike the lazyass he said ho himself   LOLFOM!


FOM...OK...that's IT!!!!!!! I am crying from the news on FOX about Brennan being found and also crying from your hilarious comments!!!



I am trying to be on the lighter side of the newsblog right now
some do say i am in my own little world
or boucncing off the walls of a padded cell.


Title: Re: -
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"

I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Yo.... Wesssttttssiiidde!  Shout out to Kerin and Caligirl.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 21, 2005, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


wow, now we just need that same great news for Nat!!

Do you know where they found him? I know he was lost in those woods/mountains (not that familiar with where they were)


All that they are saying is he was found near Lilly Lake and he's in GOOD condition!  They are taking him to the hospital via helicopter.


Great news :)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 21, 2005, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


wow, now we just need that same great news for Nat!!

Do you know where they found him? I know he was lost in those woods/mountains (not that familiar with where they were)


All that they are saying is he was found near Lilly Lake and he's in GOOD condition!  They are taking him to the hospital via helicopter.


well they can't get the helicopter in to where the boy is to get him out. Still trying, but an EMT is saying he is fine. Just trying to get the helicopter in......


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
EXCERPT FROM MONTGOMERY PAPER JUNE 19: http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5familysearch19w.htm
"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.

Speaking in an interview with The Associated Press late Friday, Bearman said Aruban authorities weren't totally to blame for their early failure to identify van der Sloot and the others, something she said the amateur sleuths did in less than three hours in Aruba.
"They did not know what was going on," she said. "We were there on a mission."


Terrified after hearing news any parent dreads, Beth Holloway Twitty landed in Aruba about 12 hours after learning her daughter Natalee had vanished during a graduation trip.

Accompanied by her husband and friends including Bearman on a donated corporate jet, Holloway Twitty had a few bits of information from Mountain Brook graduates who were on the trip, most importantly a physical description of a Dutch teenager -- a judge's son, they thought -- with whom Natalee was seen leaving a bar, Carlos' N Charlies', on May 30, the night she disappeared.

Bearman said the group also was told that Holloway's friends had seen the same teenager in the casino at the hotel where they were staying.

With help from some locals, Holloway's mother and the others determined the youth had been in the casino playing in a Texas Hold 'Em poker tournament, according to Bearman.
Players had to sign in, she said, and that gave them a name and initial: Joran V.

"After talking to enough people, we were able to deduce that it was Joran van der Sloot," she said. "Once we got the name we were able to track the address through people and we got the police. They escorted us and we went straight to the house."

Van der Sloot's father, Aruban judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot, said his son was out playing poker when the group first arrived at the house about 1 a.m., Bearman said. Still accompanied by police, the group went to a couple of places looking for van der Sloot before returning to the father's house and finding Joran van der Sloot there with one of the two Surinamese brothers who later were held.

"Basically we interrogated him," Bearman said. "He never denied being with her."

Van der Sloot described dancing with Holloway at the bar and said "she wanted to go with me" at closing time, according to Bearman.

Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.

His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.

"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.

While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.

Van der Sloot and the Surinamese brothers -- Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 -- were interrogated by police the next day and released. While later taken into custody, no one has been charged. " END of EXCERPTS

#1. I think that she's just saying that kids were in the lobby and they would have seen Natalee if she had come in -- NOT tht they were waiting for her.

I agree with Iquitos that, however well-intentioned, this whole thing might have been handled badly by Americans from the start. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have done the samething.

My question and one that I bet you will see the Twitty's come back to after this is resolved in one way or another:

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.
 

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:10:33 PM
Check out that clucka over there thinking he’s all ghetto.  He’s a straight up poser, huh Cali and FOM?


Title: Re: -
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


I agree to a great extent. I, for one, do find some of the alternative theories to be quite intriguing, even if they are highly unlikely. Of course, there is another forum (Theory and Speculation) that was set up for those discussions. This one is supposedly for Rumors of Breaking News, but it has evolved into something very different. I don't post here very often because of that.


I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Maybe there should be a Bantor thread for this kind of thing?


Title: Re: -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"

I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Yo.... Wesssttttssiiidde!  Shout out to Kerin and Caligirl.


at least it generates some positive energy and laughs here and there...
we are all here from day one for the Holloway family and for ARUBAS!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


That's Geraldo getting his latest scoop, right?  :D


Paulus Van Der Sloot was seen running after his latest round of questioning. It seems he was trying to outrun.....monkeys??....did I hear you correctly, Geraldo?


lol Paula!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)


and mike the lazyass he said ho himself   LOLFOM!


FOM...OK...that's IT!!!!!!! I am crying from the news on FOX about Brennan being found and also crying from your hilarious comments!!!

Thank Goodness the little boy was found and is alive.. Hopefull NH will be also and this can be a great day for all!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jac723 on June 21, 2005, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "HannieC"
I don`t think it`s the same person look at his chin.

You're right...chins are quite different, and 'pantie boy' has a mole on his face, which 'beanie boy' doesn't seem to have.


I see a resemblence(sp?) but in the 1st pic of panty boy--I don't see the mole as in the first pic of the black cap guy--but in the 3rd pic-def a mole there........If we had the black cap guy in diff angles-maybe we could see if there is a mole....Or maybe my computer screen is dirrrrty!!!!!!!!!!

But his left ear(right ear looking at your screen) sticks out--black cap man-it covers his ear-but I noticed it sticks out the same...cap is not smooth on that side of head.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.


I thought it was established early on that the cameras would have shown her entering the building, although I don't know if it would have necessarily shown the car.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinto on June 21, 2005, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: "curious"
A couple of days ago, Fox mentioned that Beth finally looked at N's camera which had pictures from prom and graduation.


Please don't jump on me for saying this, but why didn't they look at this camera IMMEDIATELY, 3 weeks ago? There could have been important evidence on there, considering she was said to have been hanging around with some locals (or, a local) during the trip.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:14:21 PM
Yo.... Wesssttttssiiidde!! Y'alls dawg, you on the down low?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:14:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Check out that clucka over there thinking he’s all ghetto.  He’s a straight up poser, huh Cali and FOM?


You all kill me! lol

If you can "only" find time to post a complaint, then WOW, you just found time to post.

We are all adults here, some act like some other like children. No one is stopping you from posting and "IF" you are following the board etc..there is plenty of news.

Like Red himself has said, when we have no news, we keep it going with chat.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Just Wondering on June 21, 2005, 03:14:39 PM
For all of our Aruban friends:
This what Greta has on her "On the Record Site".

The one thing that I can't emphasize enough is that this island, but for Natalee, seems safe. The tourists I have spoken to say it is safe. Someone from the government asked me why we are covering this case so closely and I said because often we follow the "unusual" stories —- and, frankly, this is unusual in Aruba.

I think the manner of investigations here in Aruba has also heightened the interest. Because the police do not hold press conferences, it can appear that either they are doing nothing or hiding something. Of course it could turn out when all the information is made public that the investigation was aggressive and thorough... we just don't know since we have so little information coming from the police. The risk is that when we don't know something that we let our imaginations run wild. This is one of the reasons I wanted to do the many walk and talks —- to give you some more information.

Quote


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160205,00.html


I think Americans are used to trying these cases in the press. That does not happen in Aruba. So, Americans are frustrated.
We all knew Scott P. was guilty, OJ was guilty, MJ is definitely 100% weird (about 50% think he is guilty) way before the trial.
They did not even arrest Peterson until they had the bodies. He was poised to split the country and he was not in custody. Give the Arubans a break. It will interesting to see what happens when the Texas boys show up. It wouldn't surprise me if they all blocked and the airport and never set foot on the island (outside customs) before being forced back.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: DT on June 21, 2005, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: "pinto"
Quote from: "curious"
A couple of days ago, Fox mentioned that Beth finally looked at N's camera which had pictures from prom and graduation.


Please don't jump on me for saying this, but why didn't they look at this camera IMMEDIATELY, 3 weeks ago? There could have been important evidence on there, considering she was said to have been hanging around with some locals (or, a local) during the trip.


I was thinking the same thing.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 21, 2005, 03:15:17 PM
KackyLacky
I think your ideas are out there but insightful.  If you post in the  theories section.  I have some questions for you.

GutFeeling


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:15:25 PM
http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg[/quote]

HILARIOUS!!!!![/quote]

can I get that one!!!!??????[/quote]
Sure just right click over the image and select the appropriate action.[/quote]

u know i would but i can email myself
 :roll: and then what please??


Title: PANTY BOY RESEMBLANCE
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/SatishIMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot197fs.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot134rv.jpg)


I AGREE THERE IS A RESEMBLANCE.  NOT CERTAIN THOUGH,  NEED TO JUXTAPOSE TWO FROM SAME ANGLE.  WAS PANTY BOY A DISTRACTION TOO OR WAS HE AFTER REWARD MONEY?


Title: Re: -
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:15:43 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"

I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Yo.... Wesssttttssiiidde!  Shout out to Kerin and Caligirl.


at least it generates some positive energy and laughs here and there...
we are all here from day one for the Holloway family and for ARUBAS!


:::waving my Aruban flag:::::


Title: to inspector_detector
Post by: martin connahey on June 21, 2005, 03:15:51 PM
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: blfit on June 21, 2005, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I don`t think it`s the same person look at his chin.


I'm in agreement there.  Not the same chin or the same lips.  The eyes appear different to me as well as his nostrils.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!![/quote]

can I get that one!!!!??????[/quote]
Sure just right click over the image and select the appropriate action.[/quote]

u know i would but i can email myself
 :roll: and then what please??[/quote]

FOM hun.. what do you need? I am always down to help a brotha out  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Arlee on June 21, 2005, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.


Wrong.  An excerpt, I think from B'ham's The Black & White said police were called almost immediately & the officer took down answers for his report.  (Not sure if this was before the family arrived or immediately thereafter.)  Calling a few hours later to see if there was any progress, the family learned the officer never filed the report.

Infer from that what you will.  I'm not going to make suggestions.  I'll try to look up the article later for you, but it's posted already somewhere on these voluminous threads.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: jlspence on June 21, 2005, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Check out that clucka over there thinking he’s all ghetto.  He’s a straight up poser, huh Cali and FOM?


You all kill me! lol

If you can "only" find time to post a complaint, then WOW, you just found time to post.

We are all adults here, some act like some other like children. No one is stopping you from posting and "IF" you are following the board etc..there is plenty of news.

Like Red himself has said, when we have no news, we keep it going with chat.

Yo Cali...tell it sraight up, home skillet!! :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:18:32 PM
UPdate on Brennan from Shep (my main man). "No "official" word yet but volunteers are saying that he was found about 5 miles from where he went missing AND across the river. He is pretty good shape, being airlifted to hospital. Modern day miracle. " WOW..... :D  :D  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 21, 2005, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "iquitos"

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.


I thought it was established early on that the cameras would have shown her entering the building, although I don't know if it would have necessarily shown the car.


That editor from Aruba Today said they tested the cameras and the only show the front desk. But as Beerman pointed out there were MB students in the lobby till 5 am - no one saw Natalee come in.


Title: Next News Release Out
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "veme"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! :D


wow, now we just need that same great news for Nat!!

Do you know where they found him? I know he was lost in those woods/mountains (not that familiar with where they were)


All that they are saying is he was found near Lilly Lake and he's in GOOD condition!  They are taking him to the hospital via helicopter.


Boy Scout offered $1mm for his survival story


Title: HI CAMERAS
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "iquitos"

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.


I thought it was established early on that the cameras would have shown her entering the building, although I don't know if it would have necessarily shown the car.


SEE PREVIOUS THIS DAY.  ONLY ONE CAMERA INSIDE, NONE OUTSIDE IS OUT TAKE.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bamabelle11 on June 21, 2005, 03:19:42 PM
Second, why do u always wear the same shirt?[/quote]

haha... he really likes that plaid blue shirt doesn't he? he wears it in every pic!! Good Question!!


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


can I get that one!!!!??????[/quote]
Sure just right click over the image and select the appropriate action.[/quote]

u know i would but i can email myself
 :roll: and then what please??[/quote]

FOM hun.. what do you need? I am always down to help a brotha out  :wink:[/quote]

can u p/m me that monkey site here so i can click something (maybeHEELS)



mc---i understand u'r point...
sorry'bout poor eng/sp 2
and make it in my left side picture??


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: another monkey on June 21, 2005, 03:20:46 PM
Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.[/quote]  

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.[/quote]

There is no American Embassy on Aruba - the American Consulate is on Curacao and visits Aruba on certain days.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "iquitos"

THIS ARTICLE IS SO IMPORTANT IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.  I WONDER IF THAT EXACT SPOT WAS COVERED BY CAMERAS.  IF IT IS, JORAN IS COOKED.


I thought it was established early on that the cameras would have shown her entering the building, although I don't know if it would have necessarily shown the car.


That editor from Aruba Today said they tested the cameras and the only show the front desk. But as Beerman pointed out there were MB students in the lobby till 5 am - no one saw Natalee come in.


I don't think it was the lobby.MB students were around the pool.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: "arlee"
Quote from: "chelsblu"

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.


Wrong.  An excerpt, I think from B'ham's The Black & White said police were called almost immediately & the officer took down answers for his report.  (Not sure if this was before the family arrived or immediately thereafter.)  Calling a few hours later to see if there was any progress, the family learned the officer never filed the report.

Infer from that what you will.  I'm not going to make suggestions.  I'll try to look up the article later for you, but it's posted already somewhere on these voluminous threads.


That's good. I'll take your word for it and I stand corrected. (Not about to go through all of these posts.  :wink: Thanks for the info.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kkial on June 21, 2005, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: "bkelly710"
http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


Yes,,I posted several days ago..and gave the address...
Note,,Natalee's family is wearing one....


Title: Re: -
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 21, 2005, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "someone"
I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


I agree to a great extent. I, for one, do find some of the alternative theories to be quite intriguing, even if they are highly unlikely. Of course, there is another forum (Theory and Speculation) that was set up for those discussions. This one is supposedly for Rumors of Breaking News, but it has evolved into something very different. I don't post here very often because of that.


I agree, this forum has evolved into a chatroom for mindless well wishers... :x


Maybe there should be a Bantor thread for this kind of thing?


I too am thoroughly tired of the chatroom banter here.
This is about a missing girl.
If you want to compare recipies, then PM some digits and call each other.
Another great one is the quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
This board is a haven for little more than cackling hens.
My $.14.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 21, 2005, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


An Aruban blogger on another forum said it was one of Joran's friends trying to divert attention.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinto on June 21, 2005, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".


I disagree. Their hairlines are different. So are their eyes.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: GreatOwl on June 21, 2005, 03:24:35 PM
TROLL ALERT!!!!! :shock:


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Givin a SHOUT OUT to Angie, my sista'! Some of these peeps need to rise up and quit mad dawging, word? <snap>


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


wanna bet his last name is croes?........ :lol:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:26:05 PM
Greta is saying she and Beth spent 90 minutes talking to Van der Sloots parents.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 21, 2005, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
TROLL ALERT!!!!! :shock:


Good call, genious.
I am more concerned about a missing girl than your study-hall cackling, so I must be a troll.
Specious, to say the least.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: DT on June 21, 2005, 03:26:24 PM
Is this ofn?  Gretta and Beth went to the VDS house and talked to the parents of vds, I'm thinking it will be on tonight.


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Woah you go Angie! lol

To be honest, I think Cat if she is reading will say the same, the moderators etc, have said the same thing.

There is nothing new going on. Some of us "live" in here literally. We put up with A LOT of crap that we ignore. We "try" our best to keep some humor especially for those (MB people, Aruba people) who has continuiously been bashed, hurt, insulted etc. They appreciate it and unless Tom, Red or Cat start holding up duct tape, we will continue to involke our right of freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining about it, what preytell do you have that you would like to discuss? First rule of complaining.. it solved nothing. I suggest being PROactive instead of REactive.

Thank you.


Title: FACT CHECK
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: "arlee"
Quote from: "chelsblu"

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.


Wrong.  An excerpt, I think from B'ham's The Black & White said police were called almost immediately & the officer took down answers for his report.  (Not sure if this was before the family arrived or immediately thereafter.)  Calling a few hours later to see if there was any progress, the family learned the officer never filed the report.

Infer from that what you will.  I'm not going to make suggestions.  I'll try to look up the article later for you, but it's posted already somewhere on these voluminous threads.
 

ACCORDING TO AN EARLIER DAN REIHL PIECE NATALIE'S DISAPPEARANCE WAS REPORTED TO THE BEACH PATROL BY LATE MORNING BY THE HOTEL ABOUT THE TIME THE FIRST PLANE LEFT.  WHAT IS THE BEACH PATROL?  IS IT THE SAME AS THE POLICE.  WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THEY SHOULD HAVE FANNED OUT AND LOOKED EVERYWHERE IN THE AREA THEMSELVES AND THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH POLICE HIGHER UPS TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP.  THE KEYS ARE EARLY INTERVENTION AND HIGH LEVEL CONTACT.  YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT TO THE BEACH PATROL ON DUTY.  HE IS USED TO PEOPLE TURNING UP AND WILL LIKELY NOT RUSH TO ACTION.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Girl in NJ on June 21, 2005, 03:26:59 PM
When you send someone AOL mail, you can do a "status" on that mail. Maybe someon sent her an email and they did a status and saw that it was read on June 7th? Just a thought......


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 21, 2005, 03:27:23 PM
I cannot believe Greta took Beth to the Vandersloots and they spent 90 min!!!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 21, 2005, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


wanna bet his last name is croes?........ :lol:


That's not Croes but Croes is the key to solving this mystery...


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Givin a SHOUT OUT to Angie, my sista'! Some of these peeps need to rise up and quit mad dawging, word? <snap>


Thank you Karin!!!!!!!!!  ^5 to you sista!!  ha ha


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 21, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
Either you are a reg, or a troll.
Nice gray area ya got here.
 :?:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:28:30 PM
Siad she went in to talk to Beth. Asked her how she was doing. She said "I'm angry". Greta said if you could talk to anyone who would you talk to? Beth said the father of the Dutch boy. Greta said let's go. ANd they went to VDS house. Invited in and sat down and talked with the three of them. GO Greta. You know I used to not like her.
Said will be on tonight. Would be great if they showed all 90 minutes.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:29:24 PM
Brennan's first words to his rescuer..

"I want to talk to my mom"

 :cry:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


wanna bet his last name is croes?........ :lol:


WE KNOW HIS NAME IS NOT CROES.  IS IT NOT UNDER THE PICTURE?


Title: Beth, Greta, and VDS
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I cannot believe Greta took Beth to the Vandersloots and they spent 90 min!!!


medlay, where did you hear this info?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:30:19 PM
Greta on FOX now.. saying to watch at 10:00...!!!!  Said she spent some time with NH mother..!! She said rumors are flying in Aruba.. Im sure they are.. just like they do here in the US..!  DOnt QUOTE me but I could swear she said she talked to JVS mom too...I cant hear my TV that well she said his mom said they are interrigating JVS about 11 hours per day


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 21, 2005, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Siad she went in to talk to Beth. Asked her how she was doing. She said "I'm angry". Greta said if you could talk to anyone who would you talk to? Beth said the father of the Dutch boy. Greta said let's go. ANd they went to VDS house. Invited in and sat down and talked with the three of them. GO Greta. You know I used to not like her.
Said will be on tonight. Would be great if they showed all 90 minutes.


Big time wow.
I will be tuned in.
How have we heard nothing of the results of this.
There must be something rumbling on the island if Beth sat down the the VDS parents.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
TROLL ALERT!!!!! :shock:


Good call, genious.
I am more concerned about a missing girl than your study-hall cackling, so I must be a troll.
Specious, to say the least.


i somewhat agree with you......strangely,


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 21, 2005, 03:31:21 PM
I got the feeling we are not going to see the meeting - I think they said that it was not taped - but I think that says a lot for the Van der sloots to let Greta and Beth go in there - no matter what many have been saying I give them some credit for this!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 21, 2005, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Siad she went in to talk to Beth. Asked her how she was doing. She said "I'm angry". Greta said if you could talk to anyone who would you talk to? Beth said the father of the Dutch boy. Greta said let's go. ANd they went to VDS house. Invited in and sat down and talked with the three of them. GO Greta. You know I used to not like her.
Said will be on tonight. Would be great if they showed all 90 minutes.



       WOW
first i've heard...can't wait to see father vds running around house with greta chasing him.....if it's true what you say friend


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:31:41 PM
IQUITOS...I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE ONE SUSPECT ATTEMPTING SUICIDE YESTERDAY. IT IS STILL NOT ON THE NEWS IN THE US. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT STORY WAS "CONFIRMED" AND, IF SO, DO YOU KNOW WHICH SUSPECT IT WAS?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: alabama_mom_of_2 on June 21, 2005, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Brennan's first words to his rescuer..

"I want to talk to my mom"

 :cry:


Did they find him?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Girl in NJ on June 21, 2005, 03:32:36 PM
Wouldn't that be very unwise to go talk to the suspects mother?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 03:32:57 PM
(((((KERIN < CALI< ANGIE))))))))))
Whats up monkeys?
They found Brennan..YEA!!! Anything else new?


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Siad she went in to talk to Beth. Asked her how she was doing. She said "I'm angry". Greta said if you could talk to anyone who would you talk to? Beth said the father of the Dutch boy. Greta said let's go. ANd they went to VDS house. Invited in and sat down and talked with the three of them. GO Greta. You know I used to not like her.
Said will be on tonight. Would be great if they showed all 90 minutes.


Big time wow.
I will be tuned in.
How have we heard nothing of the results of this.
There must be something rumbling on the island if Beth sat down the the VDS parents.


Greta just reported this to Shep on FOx in a break off from the Brennan story.


Title: THE V/D SLOOT-TWITTY FIGHT
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I cannot believe Greta took Beth to the Vandersloots and they spent 90 min!!!


DID BETH CLAW BOTH THEIR EYES OUT?   THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "jlspence"
Quote from: "Kelly"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

It is the same person.....in my opinion..mouth, eyes, everything the same.....


I agree that those two do look like the same person.


wanna bet his last name is croes?........ :lol:


WE KNOW HIS NAME IS NOT CROES.  IS IT NOT UNDER THE PICTURE?


that was humor.... 8)


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: "alabama_mom_of_2"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Brennan's first words to his rescuer..

"I want to talk to my mom"

 :cry:


Did they find him?



YES they did!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: "alabama_mom_of_2"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Brennan's first words to his rescuer..

"I want to talk to my mom"

 :cry:


Did they find him?


YES!!! and he is fine!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I got the feeling we are not going to see the meeting - I think they said that it was not taped - but I think that says a lot for the Van der sloots to let Greta and Beth go in there - no matter what many have been saying I give them some credit for this!


I agree with you.. maybe things are going to finally get somewhere.. Greta also said JVS is upset.. being a mother herself.. and spoke of the poor conditions in the jail.. it should be an interesting report tonight.. Hope i stay up!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Either you are a reg, or a troll.
Nice gray area ya got here.
 :?:


Ever heard the phrase you catch more bees with honey than vinegar?

I listen, help and speak to everyone. New, passing through etc.

Okay, ignore status time because I am so tired of all this childish. Act your age not your shoe size!

Complaining of midless chatter yet there's plenty of mindless meaningless chatter in these whining posts. Do you run around your job, thinking everyone is secretly in some conspiracy against you? Feelings hurt because you are not included.. simple answer...INCLUDE YOURSELF then! NO one is stopping you!

K done.. last I will comment.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: alabama_mom_of_2 on June 21, 2005, 03:34:51 PM
WONDERFUL, another story I have been following, just haven't been around a tv or pc to see the latest, that is GR8 news  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: DT on June 21, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I got the feeling we are not going to see the meeting - I think they said that it was not taped - but I think that says a lot for the Van der sloots to let Greta and Beth go in there - no matter what many have been saying I give them some credit for this!


Yeah I think they said that they would give details of the meeting.  One thing I found interesting is that they interrrogate joran for 11 hrs sometimes, calling him a murderer and showing him pictures of natalee.  I can't see how he hasn't cracked yet.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
(((((KERIN < CALI< ANGIE))))))))))
Whats up monkeys?
They found Brennan..YEA!!! Anything else new?

(((NIkki)))) ((EVERYONE lurking and not posting)))

He's fine NIkki... not much new to report as usual  :cry:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
(((((KERIN < CALI< ANGIE))))))))))
Whats up monkeys?
They found Brennan..YEA!!! Anything else new?


((((NIKKI)))  as you can see I finally figured out how to use this forum!!
THANKS for your help !!! :P


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: Chef_Hoovisan on June 21, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Woah you go Angie! lol

To be honest, I think Cat if she is reading will say the same, the moderators etc, have said the same thing.

There is nothing new going on. Some of us "live" in here literally. We put up with A LOT of crap that we ignore. We "try" our best to keep some humor especially for those (MB people, Aruba people) who has continuiously been bashed, hurt, insulted etc. They appreciate it and unless Tom, Red or Cat start holding up duct tape, we will continue to involke our right of freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining about it, what preytell do you have that you would like to discuss? First rule of complaining.. it solved nothing. I suggest being PROactive instead of REactive.

Thank you.


I  think what frustrates a lot of people is that this is the Rumors of Breaking News forum. The vast, vast majority of the posts here are completely off-topic. Obviously, I get something out of it or I wouldn't be here, but I do wish there was a real "Rumors of Breaking News" category so that we have a quick place to check. As it is, we read through numerous pages trying to find the few pieces of information that are really "Rumors of Breaking News." As it is being used, this should be a "General Discussion" board or something like that.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 03:35:17 PM
Mom to mom.  This might actually get something done.

I really like it.


I also think eleven hours a day would be hell for a 17 year old.



For ALL the mothers involved this is so horrible.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Either you are a reg, or a troll.
Nice gray area ya got here.
 :?:


Ever heard the phrase you catch more bees with honey than vinegar?

I listen, help and speak to everyone. New, passing through etc.

Okay, ignore status time because I am so tired of all this childish. Act your age not your shoe size!

Complaining of midless chatter yet there's plenty of mindless meaningless chatter in these whining posts. Do you run around your job, thinking everyone is secretly in some conspiracy against you? Feelings hurt because you are not included.. simple answer...INCLUDE YOURSELF then! NO one is stopping you!

K done.. last I will comment.


Yea Cali...fo shizzle my nizzle...LOL


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "alabama_mom_of_2"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Brennan's first words to his rescuer..

"I want to talk to my mom"

 :cry:


Did they find him?


YES!!! and he is fine!


sounds to me like he split....


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: AZsunny on June 21, 2005, 03:35:23 PM
Did you see Greta on Fox just this past 5 minutes?  she and Beth spent and hour and a half with  the Van der Sloots at their home this morning talking...


Title: Girl in NJ
Post by: jagz2u on June 21, 2005, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: "Girl in NJ"
Wouldn't that be very unwise to go talk to the suspects mother?


IMHO,
If my primary objective was to find my daugher I would go talk to the parents.   IF my primary objective was to prosecute the killer I may not. Keep in mind, Beth's primary motivation at this time is to find her daughter.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 21, 2005, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I cannot believe Greta took Beth to the Vandersloots and they spent 90 min!!!


DID THE CLAW BOTH THEIR EYES OUT?   THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!


Way Greta talking it was emotional but not confrontational?? At least that's the gist I got --  not actually said. Said when they went up to the house they knocked and then yelled for VDS. The father opened the door and invited them in.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I cannot believe Greta took Beth to the Vandersloots and they spent 90 min!!!


DID THE CLAW BOTH THEIR EYES OUT?   THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!


Yeah, the Holloways scratched their eyes out while the VDS family stood there beating on their chests. GEEZ


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: pinto on June 21, 2005, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Regarding 'pantie boy' and 'black beanie boy', here are the untouched pictures - I tend to think there is a resemblance but I can't say for sure that it's the same person (for the first time anyone has suggested it! so many people are being confused hehe)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/SatishIMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot197fs.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/eyetvsnapshot134rv.jpg)


Okay, I was confused on the last photo. These guys look more alike, but look at their upper lip -- the moustache (if you can call it that) is different. Their noses are a little different, too.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: kuaitzu on June 21, 2005, 03:36:36 PM
Brennan Hawkins..the missing Boy Scout was found at 1pm today..in the woods..5 miles from the Boy Scout camp. AND he had to cross the swift running river to get where he was.
Angels were watching over him...


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 21, 2005, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Either you are a reg, or a troll.
Nice gray area ya got here.
 :?:


Ever heard the phrase you catch more bees with honey than vinegar?

I listen, help and speak to everyone. New, passing through etc.

Okay, ignore status time because I am so tired of all this childish. Act your age not your shoe size!

Complaining of midless chatter yet there's plenty of mindless meaningless chatter in these whining posts. Do you run around your job, thinking everyone is secretly in some conspiracy against you? Feelings hurt because you are not included.. simple answer...INCLUDE YOURSELF then! NO one is stopping you!

K done.. last I will comment.


Wow...guess I am not a reg.
I have, however, been here since day 1.
No need to be an ass.
I posted my distaste with the constant 'shout outs' and some toolbag labels me a troll.
Point proven.
Relax, blondie.


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: CaliGirl on June 21, 2005, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Woah you go Angie! lol

To be honest, I think Cat if she is reading will say the same, the moderators etc, have said the same thing.

There is nothing new going on. Some of us "live" in here literally. We put up with A LOT of crap that we ignore. We "try" our best to keep some humor especially for those (MB people, Aruba people) who has continuiously been bashed, hurt, insulted etc. They appreciate it and unless Tom, Red or Cat start holding up duct tape, we will continue to involke our right of freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining about it, what preytell do you have that you would like to discuss? First rule of complaining.. it solved nothing. I suggest being PROactive instead of REactive.

Thank you.


I  think what frustrates a lot of people is that this is the Rumors of Breaking News forum. The vast, vast majority of the posts here are completely off-topic. Obviously, I get something out of it or I wouldn't be here, but I do wish there was a real "Rumors of Breaking News" category so that we have a quick place to check. As it is, we read through numerous pages trying to find the few pieces of information that are really "Rumors of Breaking News." As it is being used, this should be a "General Discussion" board or something like that.


Chef? Do you have any rumors of breaking news to share?

Seriously here, I am a nice person but when we have nothing to report, we go searching pictures of friends, web sluething etc. Sheesh, I spent 2 days getting info on the Kalpoes when there was nothing to report.

By all means, anyone, and I do mean anyone with someone breaking, please share.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Girl in NJ on June 21, 2005, 03:37:47 PM
I don't know Jag...just doesn't sound like a great idea to me, but time will certainly tell.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 03:37:49 PM
Kerin...ummm...who is panty boy? LOL


Title: Re: -
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 03:39:08 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"

I too am thoroughly tired of the chatroom banter here.
This is about a missing girl.
If you want to compare recipies, then PM some digits and call each other.
Another great one is the quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
Within a quote...
This board is a haven for little more than cackling hens.
My $.14.


Yo dawg, what you be trippin' on?  You posted 5 times, three to complain and the other was a message you posted twice.  

You ain't contributed any butta, a'iight?  Maybe you wanna swayze over to a pure 411 pad.

Peace out, homie!


Title: SUICIDE ATTEMPT
Post by: iquitos on June 21, 2005, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
IQUITOS...I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE ONE SUSPECT ATTEMPTING SUICIDE YESTERDAY. IT IS STILL NOT ON THE NEWS IN THE US. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT STORY WAS "CONFIRMED" AND, IF SO, DO YOU KNOW WHICH SUSPECT IT WAS?
ALL I KNOW IS IT WAS IN THE LOCAL PAPER.  SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.  HAVE SEEN NO OTHER CONFIRMATION.  MYSTERY TO ME.  WILL CHECK AGAIN.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Either you are a reg, or a troll.
Nice gray area ya got here.
 :?:


Ever heard the phrase you catch more bees with honey than vinegar?

I listen, help and speak to everyone. New, passing through etc.

Okay, ignore status time because I am so tired of all this childish. Act your age not your shoe size!

Complaining of midless chatter yet there's plenty of mindless meaningless chatter in these whining posts. Do you run around your job, thinking everyone is secretly in some conspiracy against you? Feelings hurt because you are not included.. simple answer...INCLUDE YOURSELF then! NO one is stopping you!

K done.. last I will comment.


Wow...guess I am not a reg.
I have, however, been here since day 1.
No need to be an ass.
I posted my distaste with the constant 'shout outs' and some toolbag labels me a troll.
Point proven.
Relax, blondie.


it does appear as if you have indeed been here since the beginning


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 21, 2005, 03:39:30 PM
Thank God Brennan was found alive and well.  Another miracle by God and a tribute to the  ideals and skills taught by the Boy Scouts adn Cub Scouts.

Now Lets take a deep breath adn strengthen our resolve for another happy ending this time in Aruba.  Lets pray even harder and with more determination that Natalee will come home alive to.    Thank God and pray for another miracle.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:39:53 PM
{{{NIKKI}}}} what up, my sista'? My and my home fries r just chillaxin and waitin on news of NH.


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: absolut on June 21, 2005, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Woah you go Angie! lol

To be honest, I think Cat if she is reading will say the same, the moderators etc, have said the same thing.

There is nothing new going on. Some of us "live" in here literally. We put up with A LOT of crap that we ignore. We "try" our best to keep some humor especially for those (MB people, Aruba people) who has continuiously been bashed, hurt, insulted etc. They appreciate it and unless Tom, Red or Cat start holding up duct tape, we will continue to involke our right of freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining about it, what preytell do you have that you would like to discuss? First rule of complaining.. it solved nothing. I suggest being PROactive instead of REactive.

Thank you.


I gave a solution a Bantor thread for BS'ing so we don't have to hear the there is too many pages of stuff here for me to follow or find anything which happens every night at around 8pm EST.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: momto5 on June 21, 2005, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I got the feeling we are not going to see the meeting - I think they said that it was not taped - but I think that says a lot for the Van der sloots to let Greta and Beth go in there - no matter what many have been saying I give them some credit for this!


I agree with you.. maybe things are going to finally get somewhere.. Greta also said JVS is upset.. being a mother herself.. and spoke of the poor conditions in the jail.. it should be an interesting report tonight.. Hope i stay up!

Oh it will be interesting I bet. Time to set up my tivo  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Mom to mom.  This might actually get something done.

I really like it.


I also think eleven hours a day would be hell for a 17 year old.



For ALL the mothers involved this is so horrible.


I agree also.. I am a mother and would be horrified if my child was invoved in something like this..even if he WOULD be innocent.. which I doubt.. 11 hours a day is alot...hes either going to crack and tell the truth OR at times  people will just say anything to be left alone even if they did nothing wrong. I know this from my previous job!


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2005, 03:40:51 PM
is that inteview with beth. suppsoed to be on tonight


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 21, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
{{{NIKKI}}}} what up, my sista'? My and my home fries r just chillaxin and waitin on news of NH.



Word....
signed, a cackling hen.... :roll:


Title: Re: SUICIDE ATTEMPT
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
IQUITOS...I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE ONE SUSPECT ATTEMPTING SUICIDE YESTERDAY. IT IS STILL NOT ON THE NEWS IN THE US. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT STORY WAS "CONFIRMED" AND, IF SO, DO YOU KNOW WHICH SUSPECT IT WAS?
ALL I KNOW IS IT WAS IN THE LOCAL PAPER.  SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.  HAVE SEEN NO OTHER CONFIRMATION.  MYSTERY TO ME.  WILL CHECK AGAIN.


Thank You, Iquitos. (our great source of info and facts)  :D


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 21, 2005, 03:41:15 PM
I seriously think the mom to mom meeting must be the something that my esp was talking about this morning.  


Should have happened sooner.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Rob on June 21, 2005, 03:41:27 PM
big country i have a question for you , you ve been here since the beginning and only 7 posts... why today?, do you have something to add today that you feel could help?


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: veme on June 21, 2005, 03:41:34 PM
I  think what frustrates a lot of people is that this is the Rumors of Breaking News forum. The vast, vast majority of the posts here are completely off-topic. Obviously, I get something out of it or I wouldn't be here, but I do wish there was a real "Rumors of Breaking News" category so that we have a quick place to check. As it is, we read through numerous pages trying to find the few pieces of information that are really "Rumors of Breaking News." As it is being used, this should be a "General Discussion" board or something like that.

I have to agree. I do not own a T.V. for many different reasons & the internet is the ONLY way I get my news. It would be nice not to have to scroll through so much stuff. :idea:


Title: Re: -
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 21, 2005, 03:41:45 PM
Yo, accidental repost.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: HannieC on June 21, 2005, 03:41:50 PM
Anyone knows if i can see that interview with Greta and Nat`s mom and joran`s mom ( if it`s true) on the internet? Since the only channel i can recieve here in Holland is CNN international with not much news on the case. :?


Title: Re: to inspector_detector
Post by: Chef_Hoovisan on June 21, 2005, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Chef_Hoovisan"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Absolutely, inspector_detector. This is slowly becoming chatroom for mindless well-wishers, sob sisters, bracelet salesmen, and ribbon-wearers. Maybe they can all join the texas gang-that-can't-shoot-straight and head on down to Party Island for some good old-fashioned snipe hunting.
-MC


I wouldnt call well wishers mindless..or anyone else.. everyone is here for the same reason.. some with more info then others..I think its awesome that the Aruba people are keeping posts in here as well as others. Some may need to TAKE A BREAK away..I dont think anyone here is mindless unless you are a troll looking to cause some shit!


Woah you go Angie! lol

To be honest, I think Cat if she is reading will say the same, the moderators etc, have said the same thing.

There is nothing new going on. Some of us "live" in here literally. We put up with A LOT of crap that we ignore. We "try" our best to keep some humor especially for those (MB people, Aruba people) who has continuiously been bashed, hurt, insulted etc. They appreciate it and unless Tom, Red or Cat start holding up duct tape, we will continue to involke our right of freedom of speech.

Instead of complaining about it, what preytell do you have that you would like to discuss? First rule of complaining.. it solved nothing. I suggest being PROactive instead of REactive.

Thank you.


I  think what frustrates a lot of people is that this is the Rumors of Breaking News forum. The vast, vast majority of the posts here are completely off-topic. Obviously, I get something out of it or I wouldn't be here, but I do wish there was a real "Rumors of Breaking News" category so that we have a quick place to check. As it is, we read through numerous pages trying to find the few pieces of information that are really "Rumors of Breaking News." As it is being used, this should be a "General Discussion" board or something like that.


Chef? Do you have any rumors of breaking news to share?

Seriously here, I am a nice person but when we have nothing to report, we go searching pictures of friends, web sluething etc. Sheesh, I spent 2 days getting info on the Kalpoes when there was nothing to report.

By all means, anyone, and I do mean anyone with someone breaking, please share.


No, I don't have any rumors to share. And I don't have any problem with what you all are doing (as I said, I obviously get something out of it or I wouldn't be here)--I just think there's a better place for you to do it.[/u]


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Kerin...ummm...who is panty boy? LOL

For the record.  Its not me.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:43:30 PM
ROB!!! Did you actually say Brennan must have just taken off??  :?

Man, you best stop mad dawging or I'll whip out my nine and bust a cap in your #*^%!  :wink:


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Herkimer on June 21, 2005, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Anyone knows if i can see that interview with Greta and Nat`s mom and joran`s mom ( if it`s true) on the internet? Since the only channel i can recieve here in Holland is CNN international with not much news on the case. :?


Nothing to see...Cameras not allowed in from what I heard

Is this Max?

http://www.msnspaces.com/members/aisha27/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5Eb3dubGV2ZWxGdWxsTW9kZUhhbmRsZXI%24&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptP_yA5MVV0J4vrTcics66w!105&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaNumPhotos=24&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaPreviousImageID=cns!1ptP_yA5MVV0J4vrTcics66w!172&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaPreviousImageIndex=7&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaMoveForward=1&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaPlayState=0&_c=PhotoAlbum


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 21, 2005, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: "Kelly"
is that inteview with beth. suppsoed to be on tonight


Kelly.. Great will be on live on FOX tonight ae 10:00 pm EST..


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: rogers on June 21, 2005, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Anyone knows if i can see that interview with Greta and Nat`s mom and joran`s mom ( if it`s true) on the internet? Since the only channel i can recieve here in Holland is CNN international with not much news on the case. :?

Only a guess, but I would think that it will be available online at www.foxnews.com AFTER it is aired this evening.  That will be at 10:00 EST.


Title: RBN # 15 - 6/21/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 21, 2005, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Kerin...ummm...who is panty boy? LOL

For the record. &n