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Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Catriana on June 22, 2005, 07:54:05 PM
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Get a coffee, watch some TV, hug your hubby/wife, take a walk, take a shower.... take a break. Go watch the sunset.

This is a highly emotional issue that has dragged on for weeks (and might go for weeks more).

Remember, we are all real people with real feelings. Sometimes, when we type out "words" they aren't taken in the same context that we meant them.

Give others the same latitude you would like them to give you. Don't assume the worst, look for how that person could have meant something other than the worst.

Life's too short. We are not lost... our loved ones know where we are.

Be thankful.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 07:55:50 PM
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 07:57:37 PM
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Beth Holloway and her group that initially confronted Joran and the Kalpoes at the Van Der Sloot residence the night after the disappearance.


I thought that they honked the horn until Mr VDS came out and said that Joran was at the casino.

Are you saying the Kalpe brothers were also at the VDS home at that time, and came out with Mr VDS?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 07:57:55 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


Im sorry I just dont buy into that, not any evidence of it so far.  Most of them probably no as much as we do.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 07:58:20 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


So now the kids are lying and withholding?  Yikes, where is this forum going?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 07:58:53 PM
Im sorry I just dont buy into that, not any evidence of it so far. Most of them probably no as much as we do.

You don't have to buy into it.  It's just my opinion, that's all.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: AnnieMW1 on June 22, 2005, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Beth Holloway and her group that initially confronted Joran and the Kalpoes at the Van Der Sloot residence the night after the disappearance.


I thought that they honked the horn until Mr VDS came out and said that Joran was at the casino.

Are you saying the Kalpe brothers were also at the VDS home at that time, and came out with Mr VDS?


No they weren't there until the group came back to the VDS home, to find Joran and Satish outside talking.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 07:59:55 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


I had an article way back where the kids said they couldn't give out details because Natalee's family thought it would  hurt the investagation.


Title: Re: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 22, 2005, 07:59:56 PM
Please try to stay on topic.  If you feel the need to "chit chat" please feel free to use our new "CHIT CHAT" topic while you wait for news.


This has fallen on deaf ears. These threads are no longer informative or interesting.

There are only 8 replies to "chit chat" and there are hardly 8 interesting "breaking news" posts out of 700 posts.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:00:22 PM
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:00:44 PM
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No they weren't there until the group came back to the VDS home, to find Joran and Satish outside talking.


And did she talk to them? I heard her comments about her exchange with Joran but I have not heard her say that she talked to the Kalpoes.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Im sorry I just dont buy into that, not any evidence of it so far. Most of them probably no as much as we do.

You don't have to buy into it.  It's just my opinion, that's all.


I know that, I was just stating my disagreement.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


I will carry it a step further, I think many things are known. Family knows much more than we do. (yes i do believe that). MBHS know far more than we do for the time leading up to 1:00am.

I am not sure with even with a body they would be close to solving this unless it came from a confession.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


I had an article way back where the kids said they couldn't give out details because Natalee's family thought it would  hurt the investagation.


That's true, hence my comment about "witholding".


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:02:03 PM
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


So now the kids are lying and withholding?  Yikes, where is this forum going?


That's crazy, what could the kids possibly be lying about?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Well, Yikes there RB...it seems you've gone overboard AGAIN!!  Theories and speculation are great and really can really make a difference.  I'm all for it.  But, NORMALLY those theories are based on a few FACTS!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Beth Holloway and her group that initially confronted Joran and the Kalpoes at the Van Der Sloot residence the night after the disappearance.


I thought that they honked the horn until Mr VDS came out and said that Joran was at the casino.

Are you saying the Kalpe brothers were also at the VDS home at that time, and came out with Mr VDS?


The report I saw said Joran was talking to one of the Kalpoe brothers when the Holloways arrived with PVDS.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:03:47 PM
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The Kalpoe's were in the bar


Were they seen there by any of the other students?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:04:05 PM
Anyone watching Nancy Grace? Kinda intresting.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Anyone watching Nancy Grace? Kinda intresting.


What's she sayin?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


I had an article way back where the kids said they couldn't give out details because Natalee's family thought it would  hurt the investagation.


That's true, hence my comment about "witholding".


#1 I read most if not all of the kids on the trip were interviewed by the FBI already so any information they have would be in the hands of the Aruba police
#2  They are probably keeping quiet because they don't want their name and faces all over the MSM
#3 Several of the kids have already done interviews such as last night

I don't see your point RB, what is it that you would like to find out from them?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:06:09 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Well, Yikes there RB...it seems you've gone overboard AGAIN!!  Theories and speculation are great and really can really make a difference.  I'm all for it.  But, NORMALLY those theories are based on a few FACTS!!!!


No, I'm not overboard.  This board is not dedicated to "facts" or half the posts would be here.  As I said, if you don't like what I post, move on.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:07:08 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "RB"
Im sorry I just dont buy into that, not any evidence of it so far. Most of them probably no as much as we do.

You don't have to buy into it.  It's just my opinion, that's all.


I know that, I was just stating my disagreement.


I think Beth's description of Joran's demeanor makes him look very guilty and cruel. He admitted to his parents that he was intimate with Natalee the night before , now Natalee's missing and its like he doesnt even care, he just wants the whole thing to go away. :roll:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Well, Yikes there RB...it seems you've gone overboard AGAIN!!  Theories and speculation are great and really can really make a difference.  I'm all for it.  But, NORMALLY those theories are based on a few FACTS!!!!


We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 08:07:29 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Besides what reason do the MB kids have to lie about this sort of thing.

I don't know, but since you brought it up, I don't think they're lying (I am reasonably certain as you can be over the Internet that Dash isn't), but I do believe there things we don't know.  I suppose withholding isn't the same as lying.


So now the kids are lying and withholding?  Yikes, where is this forum going?


Nancy , nobody is saying they are lying but there are little facts. I really don't believe the kids were questioned enough and I really don't think they should of left Aruba without being questioned .
There are alot of kids that were on that trip and maybe one of them has the answer,maybe not.
But I do believe all or any theory should be looked into for Natalee's sake.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:07:33 PM
TERRY.. if you are still on .. I sent you a PM..!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Anyone watching Nancy Grace? Kinda intresting.


What's she sayin?

More people need to be questioned? Mr. Holloway is pointing the finger at PVDS!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 08:08:07 PM
Natalee's Dad just basically fingered daddy vandersloot on NG


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Me either but more to the point, what difference does it make to the discussion if she thought it was a taxi or not... what am I missing here?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 08:08:27 PM
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Doesn't it bother anyone that there also seem to be so many different stories about when Natalee and Joran met, how they met, whether they were with each other before Sun nite, when they left, whether she was going with Joran or said she was going with another group, some said she waved and said see ya later, others said she was going with another group - all these different stories - AND yet whe Joran, Depak and Satish changed or vary their stories we are accusing them of horendous crimes. I still have not actually heard one of the MB kids give me a consise picture of the events of the days leading up to that Sunday and have yet to hear 2 of them totally agree - or be very forthcoming. I am sorry that bothers me!


Well, here is what I think about the MB students.  They were all down there having a good time.  We saw the report on CNN done after Nat went missing and it showed a lot of graduates drunk and partying it up.  There is nothing wrong with that.  That happens all the time.  But there was no tragedy with that group like there was with Nat's group.  They did not expect something like this to happen and for their every move to be scrutinized by their parents, the FBI, and the entire world.  They never expected to have to explain to anyone how many drinks they had, who they met and when or any of that.  You know, for all we know they were all trashed like we saw the other graduates and none of them were paying enough attention to know what happened.  But what person wants to admit that on TV and tell the entire world that they were drunk and irresponsible?  I don't know what things were like that night, but any teenager would want to make it sound like they were being more responsible than they were.  That's why I think it seems sometimes like they are covering or trying to match stories.  Just my opinion.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2005, 08:08:34 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Well, Yikes there RB...it seems you've gone overboard AGAIN!!  Theories and speculation are great and really can really make a difference.  I'm all for it.  But, NORMALLY those theories are based on a few FACTS!!!!


i have my suspisions about you nancy.....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Neither do I. It doens't make sesne anyways why wouldn't vds just tell her.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:09:49 PM
Greta has the VDS at 10pm. Taped today in their house.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:10:46 PM
Do you know what medication Natalee had in her bag?

Someone out there can answer this.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 08:11:07 PM
What exactly did the dad say and what was the context/


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Greta has the VDS at 10pm. Taped today in their house.

Gotta see that one!  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Terry on June 22, 2005, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
TERRY.. if you are still on .. I sent you a PM..!
Back at ya... :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2005, 08:11:46 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Do you know what medication Natalee had in her bag?

Someone out there can answer this.


you get your pm..?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Me either but more to the point, what difference does it make to the discussion if she thought it was a taxi or not... what am I missing here?


I guess there a group of bloggers in here whos sole purpose is to defend Natalee's behavior.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:11:59 PM
I don't see your point RB, what is it that you would like to find out from them?

I didn't say they lied, Perf. I said withholding isn't the same as lying, and I mean that sincerely. I think there most assuredly things that none of us will know until this is over, some of which may come out sooner rather than later at the rate things are going.

Can you imagine being the Aruba/Dutch authorities and let's so at least 20 of the people closest to Natalee on that trip are back in the states and you can't interview them?  I think I'd want to...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Yikes, Nancy, we're discussing possibilities.  I know that offends you so don't read my posts - just skip right on over them, I won't be offended.


Well, Yikes there RB...it seems you've gone overboard AGAIN!!  Theories and speculation are great and really can really make a difference.  I'm all for it.  But, NORMALLY those theories are based on a few FACTS!!!!


We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.


There really isn't much rare about that.  That's why seasoned law enforcement like the FBI know that is the case and do thoughtful, detailed interviews with all of them.

Everyone views events like this differently.  So many kids, so many activities...it's very normal there are several different versions.  But, timelining and lining up facts clear this all up.

Also, the fact the students have stayed mostly quiet is not a fault but a huge asset....it shows real class and respect for Natalee, her family and the case.  There's not a damn thing wrong with that.  It's so rare we see real grace we aren't sure how to handle it!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:12:47 PM
Yep, I will have some specific info then. That is Saturday correct?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 22, 2005, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Greta has the VDS at 10pm. Taped today in their house.


Pretty interesting that the VNS's allowed this one to be recorded and taped when they knew in advance that Greta would be there.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:14:03 PM
Don't want to step on any toes, but I don't think that if Natalee's mom thought that there was a single person on that trip that had any information beyond the existence of Joran, and that he had been seen in Natalee's company, specifically, if she thought that anybody on the trip was witholding any information about Natalee's whereabouts, that she would be in Aruba passing out prayer cards in 107 degree heat and going on Aruba TV to address the public.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: icey on June 22, 2005, 08:14:14 PM
Does anyone seriously think that Natalee was abducted and is either held on the island somewhere, or taken off the island?  What does the family and the FBI think of the abduction theory? Are they looking into it???

Because if it's a slight possibility, it does not seem like anyone is looking for anything other than a body on Aruba at this point.

What if the boys stories all stop at "we left her on the beach"? Where do we go from there? Perhaps SC holds the key??

icey

.. still trying to hope for the best..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 08:14:20 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
What exactly did the dad say and what was the context/


Nancy Grace asked him who he thought had more information, he said after stammering over calling him a judge or not, the "judge" then he quicky said the other 3 MUST tell the truth.................


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I don't see your point RB, what is it that you would like to find out from them?

I didn't say they lied, Perf. I said withholding isn't the same as lying, and I mean that sincerely. I think there most assuredly things that none of us will know until this is over, some of which may come out sooner rather than later at the rate things are going.

Can you imagine being the Aruba/Dutch authorities and let's so at least 20 of the people closest to Natalee on that trip are back in the states and you can't interview them?  I think I'd want to...


I just don't understand what important piece of information it is that you are searching for? In the big picture what difference does it make? Are you disputing the fact that she was last seen with the 3 in custody? What difference does it make if she met him on Wednesday or Sunday?  Would it make a difference if she hit on him or he hit on her?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2005, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Don't want to step on any toes, but I don't think that if Natalee's mom thought that there was a single person on that trip that had any information beyond the existence of Joran, and that he had been seen in Natalee's company, specifically, if she thought that anybody on the trip was witholding any information about Natalee's whereabouts, that she would be in Aruba passing out prayer cards in 107 degree heat and going on Aruba TV to address the public.


i think that has been ruled out...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 08:15:47 PM
Whoa, it almost sounded like Joran's mother was admitting his guilt.  Maybe I wasn't hearing it well, did anyone else see it?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Me either but more to the point, what difference does it make to the discussion if she thought it was a taxi or not... what am I missing here?


I guess there a group of bloggers in here whos sole purpose is to defend Natalee's behavior.


#1 I'm not a 'blogger'
#2 I'm not defending Natalie

 :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 08:16:49 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Don't want to step on any toes, but I don't think that if Natalee's mom thought that there was a single person on that trip that had any information beyond the existence of Joran, and that he had been seen in Natalee's company, specifically, if she thought that anybody on the trip was witholding any information about Natalee's whereabouts, that she would be in Aruba passing out prayer cards in 107 degree heat and going on Aruba TV to address the public.
.

Unfortunatley, sometimes the ones you suspect the least is the one you should be worried about the most.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)


She got into what she "thought" was a taxi with a taxi driver, Joran and then who did she think the 3rd person in this "taxi" was? Plus remember, she is not carrying a purse...only money in her pocket we think. So are we to assume that she got in a taxi and then told him to drive all over the place looking for sharks, lighthouses., monkeys with little money.

Sorry, I don't believe she thought it was a taxi.


Me either but more to the point, what difference does it make to the discussion if she thought it was a taxi or not... what am I missing here?


I guess there a group of bloggers in here whos sole purpose is to defend Natalee's behavior.


And it seems to me like their is a group whose sole purpose is to attack her every action and those of her friends as well.  I think all we can say at this moment is that we dont know what happened.  I tend to believe the potential victims family and friends unless their is evidence to the contrary.  But others don't for whatever reason.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KKM on June 22, 2005, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:17:32 PM
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:17:35 PM
I just got an email from the Holloway family....did any one else?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: "icey"
Does anyone seriously think that Natalee was abducted and is either held on the island somewhere, or taken off the island?  What does the family and the FBI think of the abduction theory? Are they looking into it???

Because if it's a slight possibility, it does not seem like anyone is looking for anything other than a body on Aruba at this point.

What if the boys stories all stop at "we left her on the beach"? Where do we go from there? Perhaps SC holds the key??

icey

.. still trying to hope for the best..


I think the abduction theories were hoaxes. These guys are being accused of murder. I think Croes is being held for supplying drugs to Deepak that killed Natalee.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
I just got an email from the Holloway family....did any one else?


Better have some headers ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:21:14 PM
no but who else is getting PM's from a poster claiming to be a parent of the Kalpoe brothers?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
I just got an email from the Holloway family....did any one else?


 :?:  :?:  :?:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nisxan on June 22, 2005, 08:21:50 PM
nope...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


After a few drinks who knows what someone would do. When alcohol gets involved people loose their inhibitions. Their is always the possibility that she was drugged, but who knows.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:22:13 PM
What if just one of those people from the trip said you know I MAY have seen her in the parking lot of HI (alone) at 2:30am.

Possibly a more complete questioning would have gotten to that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
I just got an email from the Holloway family....did any one else?


Better have some headers ;)

on second look it wasn't from the Holloway family, it was from Nataleeholloway.net, sorry. here it is  
Hi all, the family of Natalee Holloway has finally contacted Nataleeholloway.net. Please find below some updated information that the family would like circulated.
 
The family of Natalee Holloway is now offering $150.000.00 for the Safe Return or
information that will lead to the safe return of Natalee.
 
A Reward and Recovery Trusts have been set up through Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, AL
 
Account names:
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Recovery Fund
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Reward Fund
 
Please send donations to:
Baker Crow
Amsouth Bank
Trust Department
PO Box 11426
Birmingham, AL 35202
 
***** Please note weather your donation is for the Reward or Recovery Trust Fund.
 
The parents of Natalee Holloway has ask me to post a special thanks to all of you for your kind words, prayers and support.
 
Thank you;
George (Jug) & Beth Twitty
Dave & Robin Holloway


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
no but who else is getting PM's from a poster claiming to be a parent of the Kalpoe brothers?


I've gotten them from someone who appears to feel they have more information than the MBH crowd is letting on. Now whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


Oh, please.  More alcohol than one's used to, last night on a beautiful island, new boy that you think is attractive.... you'd be surprised what could happen.  And besides that, apparently lots of MB students had seen him around the casino, she probably did too and had her eye on him.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:24:42 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
no but who else is getting PM's from a poster claiming to be a parent of the Kalpoe brothers?


I've gotten them from someone who appears to feel they have more information than the MBH crowd is letting on. Now whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you :)


amazing what crawls out from under rocks...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:24:42 PM
littletxlady, I was only teasin' ya 'bout them damned headers :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


Please don't start with the "Natalee wouldnt do that" stuff. I think it's been established that Natalee did leave with them willingly.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 08:24:56 PM
Hello again monkeys!  Does anyone have the link to WW's Deepak email?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


Oh, please.  More alcohol than one's used to, last night on a beautiful island, new boy that you think is attractive.... you'd be surprised what could happen.  And besides that, apparently lots of MB students had seen him around the casino, she probably did too and had her eye on him.


Love to believe that but the portrait painted on here won't allow it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
no but who else is getting PM's from a poster claiming to be a parent of the Kalpoe brothers?


I've gotten them from someone who appears to feel they have more information than the MBH crowd is letting on. Now whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you :)


amazing what crawls out from under rocks...


I like my rock - it allows me to cross dress. :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Hello again monkeys!  Does anyone have the link to WW's Deepak email?


Has its own thread on the main index.


Title: Deepak's Car vs Taxi
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 08:25:47 PM
Seems like we do have better photo examples *somewhere* on the Monkey forum, but since I saw these close at hand, I'll link:

[First is a TV screen capture of Deepak's car on the carrier when towed in to impound--thus the greenish color of all--car is actually silver]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/deepakscar1.jpg
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[An Aruban taxi--a regular car with a removable magnetic message board on sides for Taxi logo]

http://www.aruba.com/images/taxi.jpg
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[These images are side by side for better comparison on a thread at the FR forum--if it doesn't go automatically to the photo post, scroll down to #1359]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts?q=1&&page=1359


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Hello again monkeys!  Does anyone have the link to WW's Deepak email?


It's in it's own thread on the board, Wench.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
no but who else is getting PM's from a poster claiming to be a parent of the Kalpoe brothers?


I've gotten them from someone who appears to feel they have more information than the MBH crowd is letting on. Now whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you :)


amazing what crawls out from under rocks...


I like my rock - it allows me to cross dress. :)


LOL RB!!! That wasn't a comment to YOU. It was about the PM Posers!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 08:27:07 PM
nancy...what did you mean about Ms VDS seeming to imply Joran's guilt?

What did you hear and what show was it on?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: "RB"
littletxlady, I was only teasin' ya 'bout them damned headers :)

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:28:28 PM
I only get PM's from Professor and its all about Gilligan.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I only get PM's from Professor and its all about Gilligan.
:shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 08:29:01 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick them up at the club.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 08:29:31 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "da wench"
Hello again monkeys!  Does anyone have the link to WW's Deepak email?


Has its own thread on the main index.


Tyvm!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 22, 2005, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "da wench"
Hello again monkeys!  Does anyone have the link to WW's Deepak email?


Has its own thread on the main index.


Thank God for that, I thought I was going to have to levy bandwidth fines if I saw it posted in full text every 3 comments apart.  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:30:13 PM
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:30:16 PM
anyone watching O"Reilly right now???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:30:41 PM
According to Karl Penhaul on CNN, Steve Croes' claim to fame is that he says he saw the 3 drop Natalee off at the HI.

Karl did not say whether Steve saw a man in black.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
anyone watching O"Reilly right now???


Yeah but I need different forum to post on about it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
anyone watching O"Reilly right now???

Not watching.. have it on in the other room. I can only hear bits and peices.. sounds interesting..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:31:43 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


That sucks, I really wish we could see them. I'd like to know if some of her friends have a different version of her than what we have heard up until this point.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: AzRose on June 22, 2005, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
According to Karl Penhaul on CNN, Steve Croes' claim to fame is that he says he saw the 3 drop Natalee off at the HI.

Karl did not say whether Steve saw a man in black.


So, here we go again.  Back to the HI.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2005, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I only get PM's from Professor and its all about Gilligan.

 :lol: LMAO :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: "luna"
nancy...what did you mean about Ms VDS seeming to imply Joran's guilt?

What did you hear and what show was it on?


They just had a clip of her speaking, it was on Nancy Grace.  She started out by describing him as a normal 17 year old...blah...blah...blah....THEN she started saying, "It could happen to any kid, we raise them, love them...."  She said more and I'm REALLY paraphrasing....but, the tone changed. If someone else saw it please post...I didn't see the whole thing, and her accent my have thrown me off.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:32:09 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Hostile...I am not sure. But words do "hurt".


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 08:32:56 PM
HATE TO BE MORBID What if she is somehow attached to that boat 'Tattoo' don't want to think like that but if it is a party boat and goes in and out all the time.  ???????


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
anyone watching O"Reilly right now???


Yeah but I need different forum to post on about it.


Uhhhh...me too Absolut. Actually I was going to use the book title and apply it to our latest discussion.

SORRY...NO BASHING


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 08:33:52 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm and then he had to get home call the guys , sneak out, and get to the bar at what time. must be 12am or later, then call them back in less than an hour, I don't think the other guys are really a "taxi" service ( no punn intended)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Hostile...I am not sure. But words do "hurt".


I vote for hostile, if I didn't have another agenda I would have left already. And no I am not telling anyone what it is. But if you look at the post back to me and the battles I have picked up and fought you will see what I say is true by example.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 22, 2005, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Whoa, it almost sounded like Joran's mother was admitting his guilt.  Maybe I wasn't hearing it well, did anyone else see it?


Nancy - I'm out of lurking only because I think I saw what you saw. I think it was Greta, giving out teasers to her upcoming interview with the VDS', said that the mother has not been able to ask JVDS if he did it, but said that if he did, he should be punished as the law allows.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:35:18 PM
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm and then he had to get home call the guys , sneak out, and get to the bar at what time. must be 12am or later, then call them back in less than an hour, I don't think the other guys are really a "taxi" service ( no punn intended)


Deepaks email almost makes sense and fixes this timeline since JVDS didnt walk to CNC>


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Scott on June 22, 2005, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"

That's crazy, what could the kids possibly be lying about?


It would be understandable for her friends to feel guilty, knowing she was drunk, and regretting now that they didn't stop her from leaving with Joran.

Can you imagine playing over and over in your head....'if only I insisted she stay with us, she'd be alive and with us'?

This must be an agonizing time for her friends who were with her up to the last moment she was seen.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:36:36 PM
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: icey on June 22, 2005, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "icey"
Does anyone seriously think that Natalee was abducted and is either held on the island somewhere, or taken off the island?  What does the family and the FBI think of the abduction theory? Are they looking into it???

Because if it's a slight possibility, it does not seem like anyone is looking for anything other than a body on Aruba at this point.

What if the boys stories all stop at "we left her on the beach"? Where do we go from there? Perhaps SC holds the key??

icey

.. still trying to hope for the best..


I think the abduction theories were hoaxes. These guys are being accused of murder. I think Croes is being held for supplying drugs to Deepak that killed Natalee.


I'm inclined to believe you. It would seem that the police, FBI and the family are looking at this as a accidental death or murder.

Hopefully the Aruban people can find Natalee, or offer up more info. Locating her body will bring a quick end to a good portion of the intense focus.

icey


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
According to Karl Penhaul on CNN, Steve Croes' claim to fame is that he says he saw the 3 drop Natalee off at the HI.

Karl did not say whether Steve saw a man in black.


I've read that account before, not sure I believe him, either do the police considering that he's been arrested and held as a SUSPECT not a witness.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


This was probably asked already.. if so I missed it and I apologize.. does anyone know how far C&C's is from the VS home?? Is it in walking distance?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HATE TO BE MORBID What if she is somehow attached to that boat 'Tattoo' don't want to think like that but if it is a party boat and goes in and out all the time.  ???????


They would have to search it, and that doesn't look like its ever gonna happen, but how bout one of those water taxi everyone is so fond of as transport.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
I just got an email from the Holloway family....did any one else?


Better have some headers ;)

on second look it wasn't from the Holloway family, it was from Nataleeholloway.net, sorry. here it is  
Hi all, the family of Natalee Holloway has finally contacted Nataleeholloway.net. Please find below some updated information that the family would like circulated.
 
The family of Natalee Holloway is now offering $150.000.00 for the Safe Return or
information that will lead to the safe return of Natalee.
 
A Reward and Recovery Trusts have been set up through Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, AL
 
Account names:
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Recovery Fund
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Reward Fund
 
Please send donations to:
Baker Crow
Amsouth Bank
Trust Department
PO Box 11426
Birmingham, AL 35202
 
***** Please note weather your donation is for the Reward or Recovery Trust Fund.
 
The parents of Natalee Holloway has ask me to post a special thanks to all of you for your kind words, prayers and support.
 
Thank you;
George (Jug) & Beth Twitty
Dave & Robin Holloway


Yep, thats the email I got last nite, and provided a link to. I even started a thread on it


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:38:17 PM
Quote
maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm


Right. picked him up at McDonald's, according to Mr. VDS, per Greta, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe that is why Mr. Holloway is so insistent that Mr. VDS knows something.

Are there any witnesses who have been able to confirm that Mr. VDS picked Joran up at McDonald's?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


LOL it brings an outcry all right, and you're a ringleader :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


That it was an accidntal death.  I personally believe there's a strong chance of that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


That it was an accidntal death.  I personally believe there's a strong chance of that.


I think this is what most people believe.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Perforator"

That's crazy, what could the kids possibly be lying about?


It would be understandable for her friends to feel guilty, knowing she was drunk, and regretting now that they didn't stop her from leaving with Joran.

Can you imagine playing over and over in your head....'if only I insisted she stay with us, she'd be alive and with us'?

This must be an agonizing time for her friends who were with her up to the last moment she was seen.


The MB kids arent lying. They werent with Natalee 100% of the time, so they wouldnt all know the meetings with Natalee and Joran. It's understandable that different people would say different things in that context.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


 IF that was the case.. what could anyone say? But the questions still lyes.. where is her body then? Someone would STILL be in trouble!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


To be honest with you, if it was accidental I would want those who knew about it punished in some way for covering up and causing the family so much pain.  I would be terribly sad that she is dead.  And I would be very thankful that her parents have closure.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 08:40:15 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
Quote from: "absolut"
We have at least 2 and possibly 3 different ways and times that Natalee met JVDS and that is just from MBHS accounts on the the TV.
Can you explain perhaps how and when she met him will solve this mystery? I am feeling really stupid here since I can't figure out why that is so important.  Please enlighten me.  Thanks! :)


If she met him at 930 briefly and then again at 1230 at CNC there is no way the Natalee protrayed on this board would leave with him.


Please don't start with the "Natalee wouldnt do that" stuff. I think it's been established that Natalee did leave with them willingly.


And your Point ?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


Nancy how bout a clear and concise theory from you in paragraph format. I have heard what you have to say yet. It all comes out as attack, snippet, attack, snippet and frankly it has gotten kind of old.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:41:07 PM
DT and Luna, can you say why you think that way, if you don't mind?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


This was probably asked already.. if so I missed it and I apologize.. does anyone know how far C&C's is from the VS home?? Is it in walking distance?


arubagirl said no - it would take an hour to walk that far.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
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They just had a clip of her speaking, it was on Nancy Grace.  She started out by describing him as a normal 17 year old...blah...blah...blah....THEN she started saying, "It could happen to any kid, we raise them, love them...."  She said more and I'm REALLY paraphrasing....but, the tone changed. If someone else saw it please post...I didn't see the whole thing, and her accent my have thrown me off.


I saw that clip earlier, like a week or so ago, on CNN or Nancy Grace. And your reaction was exactly the same as mine at that initial viewing. She sounded both apologetic and confessional.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
The Kalpoe's were in the bar, Im sure Natalee knew it wasnt a taxi. Besides that would a taxi take them to the lighthouse (if thats where they went)
 

maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


This was probably asked already.. if so I missed it and I apologize.. does anyone know how far C&C's is from the VS home?? Is it in walking distance?


arubagirl said no - it would take an hour to walk that far.


Thanks Inspector!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 08:44:05 PM
oooo details, Kerin.  Let's try both and see how they differ.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 08:44:46 PM
Nancy - there are only one or two things that are not pure theory here - Natalee is missing and she went out for a drive with the 3 boys after CnCs. Everything else is speculation but there are certainly some very strong and at times nasty reactions to people who join and ask questions that do not fit one or two set "theories" of the case. One of those theories is that Natalee was a perfect saint, all the kids drank responsibly and all the bad stuff was done by those awful foreigners.  I think this is what RB and Absolut are pointing towards. Usually real life is more muddied than all that but there are times when anyone who suggests that gets treated as if they are "trashing Natalee" and some folks, esp if they are not used to being online, find that intimidating and hostile.


Title: RBN#18
Post by: wbvious on June 22, 2005, 08:45:25 PM
am still running about an hour behind here trying to catch up, but i just want to commend HLSlawyerChik on some great sleuthing...
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Okay, I'm beating a dead horse, but I did find a photo showing what appears to be a security guard in a full black outfit on the last night of the Soul Music Beach Festival. See the guy standing in front of the stage in the 2nd picture:

http://www.kikotakiko.com/gallery1.php?album=227&item=Photogallery

seems perhaps someone should send a few questions to Wyclef Jean & posse re: black shirts ...and what they were up to?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 08:45:44 PM
Hi my american friends ,


How are you all today.

Any interesting news ?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:45:59 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
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maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm


Right. picked him up at McDonald's, according to Mr. VDS, per Greta, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe that is why Mr. Holloway is so insistent that Mr. VDS knows something.

Are there any witnesses who have been able to confirm that Mr. VDS picked Joran up at McDonald's?


Interesting question - there were some reports on these boards a couple of days ago that said some MB students saw PVDS at McDonalds at 3:00am.

arubagirl posted that McDonalds closed at 1:00 am


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break


but why wouldn't you want input from the island if you could get it. I plan on having first hand accounts and be able to ask for place investigations if those go to saturday. You have to set up those connections not shut them down.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 08:47:31 PM
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there is more here than meets the eye


Since the only thing that meets the eye and stands up to a fixed stare is that Natalee is missing, I'll have a large order of that.

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and that possibly the family has more information.


I would like to think that is the case, and they may indeed have more information. I am sorry to say I do not think they have any more facts.

There is a wealth of information available, much of it contradictory.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ting"
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maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm


Right. picked him up at McDonald's, according to Mr. VDS, per Greta, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe that is why Mr. Holloway is so insistent that Mr. VDS knows something.

Are there any witnesses who have been able to confirm that Mr. VDS picked Joran up at McDonald's?


Interesting question - there were some reports on these boards a couple of days ago that said some MB students saw PVDS at McDonalds at 3:00am.

arubagirl posted that McDonalds closed at 1:00 am


Maybe they saw him at 11 picking up that hot kid JVDS in the blue shirt.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


Then why lie about it many different stories?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: "RB"
DT and Luna, can you say why you think that way, if you don't mind?


First of all I try to stick with the simplest explanation.  Things like white slavery and her being a runaway are to far out their unfortunately, no matter how much I would like them to be true.  

Second it just doesn't seem to me like any of the three are murderers. I don't know if I would put it past them to drug her though.

Third, by all accounts their stories are changing, so obviously they have something to hide.

Fourth, it makes sense in the context of the evening. They were out drinking partying and what not, so its not so hard to see that drugs might have been involved at some point.

I'm not so sure if I believe it was anything like a date rape drug though.  Natalee seemed to be interested in Joran so he probably wouldn't have tried something like that. Maybe one of the firends did who knows.  

I could be wrong about all this though.  I would certainly like more details.  It would be nice if you could give us some idea as to what those pms were about.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:49:36 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Nancy - there are only one or two things that are not pure theory here - Natalee is missing and she went out for a drive with the 3 boys after CnCs. Everything else is speculation but there are certainly some very strong and at times nasty reactions to people who join and ask questions that do not fit one or two set "theories" of the case. One of those theories is that Natalee was a perfect saint, all the kids drank responsibly and all the bad stuff was done by those awful foreigners.  I think this is what RB and Absolut are pointing towards. Usually real life is more muddied than all that but there are times when anyone who suggests that gets treated as if they are "trashing Natalee" and some folks, esp if they are not used to being online, find that intimidating and

hostile.


Great post.. !! I do not know of 1 teenager that is perfect.. I always thought my daughter was next to perfect. she is 21 now.. and recently told me when she was 15.. and missed school the one day it was cuz her friend that she spent the night at. DAD bought them a 5th of cinnamon schnopps.. Not much I can do how many years later.. I was a teen once and know what I did.. No teen is perfect.. I am NOT picking on NH or anyone else for that matter... I did the same things when I was younger.. away from my parents and the drinking age was 18..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 08:50:12 PM
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: roxyluv on June 22, 2005, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break


While ofcourse I don't believe that, it's just as bad as 17 year old Joran  is in the "white slavery trade" and sold Natalee for his and his fathers gambling debts.
Some of these rumour are just as crazy as the next.,


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: "RB"
DT and Luna, can you say why you think that way, if you don't mind?


After reflecting a bit more on Joran, his academic standing, his desire to go to the US this summer....I feel it is highly unlikely that he murdered a young woman who came onto him that day.  I personally think there was a mutual attraction between the two of them.

As I've mentioned before, I believe that Nat may have died of alcohol poisoning.  She could have had a lot of alcohol on her final day (including shots at CnCs....which would explain her out-of-character behavior by leaving with them) and many young Americans have died from too much alcohol.  

I don't think Joran is the evil person he's been made out to be.  And I think there's a good reason for his initial story about the HI....he didn't want to tell everyone (including the Holloways) they'd had sex and what actually happened out of fear.

Just my take on it....sure many will disagree.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: "RB"
oooo details, Kerin.  Let's try both and see how they differ.


Without a body and ruled an accidental death - I would still hold out hope, as I am sure her family would as well, that she is still out there and alive. To me that would be the worst case scenario.

With a body - I would have to know where the body is actually found. That is going to reveal a lot, I would hope. For example, this new security guard theory could not result in her body being found in let's say, the house with the basement, or Venezuela.


Title: Re: RBN#18
Post by: Kshe78 on June 22, 2005, 08:51:02 PM
seems perhaps someone should send a few questions to Wyclef Jean & posse re: black shirts ...and what they were up to?[/quote]



It would make sense that a few of the security guards were wearing all black.  Usually security guards near the stage wear all black to blend into the background more, so they aren't distracting / sticking out to the concertgoers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "RB"
I do have a question of the board, though.  If this case is ruled an accidental death and no one gets punished (at least not for murder), what are you going to say then?


Then why lie about it many different stories?


I finally get a good nights sleep


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 08:51:33 PM
Hey, I like Nancy Grace - go ahead and flame me
she honors our heros!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Title: Re: RBN#18
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: "wbvious"
am still running about an hour behind here trying to catch up, but i just want to commend HLSlawyerChik on some great sleuthing...
Quote
Okay, I'm beating a dead horse, but I did find a photo showing what appears to be a security guard in a full black outfit on the last night of the Soul Music Beach Festival. See the guy standing in front of the stage in the 2nd picture:

http://www.kikotakiko.com/gallery1.php?album=227&item=Photogallery

seems perhaps someone should send a few questions to Wyclef Jean & posse re: black shirts ...and what they were up to?


Deepak told the security guard in jail that they made up the black t-shirt security guard thing and apologized for getting him involved - I believe the security guard.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 08:54:52 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
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I vote for hostile, if I didn't have another agenda I would have left already. And no I am not telling anyone what it is.


So you think there's a need for spelling it out?

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But if you look at the post back to me and the battles I have picked up and fought you will see what I say is true by example.


You, and Aruba, and BHT perhaps have more in common than you realize.

 Perhaps some of that hostility is projection, as well as some of what the island rumors you referenced are about.  The best way to stay completely "sane" about an issue, even a collective issue, is to find a way to blame someone else. Completely natural. And Aruba is hurting right now from all this bad news and the light it's shedding on the drug problems and questions about the so-called lack of crime.  So it's natural for Aruba's proud citizens to hope against hope that Natalee Holloway is responsible for whatever happened to her.  Just as it's natural for BHT to believe that someone else is truly responsible.  

But factually speaking...there's no factual evidence that points to her choosing to disappear, or at least none of which I've been made aware.  It would take a truly callous individual to not send an anonymous letter, or email, or some sort of message saying "I'm okay" with enough details to prove to BHT that it was Natalee.  Even if she hated her folks (and there's no real signs of that) she has to love someone enough - even her friends - to get that message out there after 20 days of their collective suffering.

Anyway, peace.  I think coming here with an agenda of any kind is disingenous and unethical, not to mention transparent. But it's everyone's right to do as they wish.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:55:18 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Hey, I like Nancy Grace - go ahead and flame me
she honors our heros!!


Nancy kicks butt - ya gotta love her! :D


Title: Re: RBN#18
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 08:55:56 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "wbvious"
am still running about an hour behind here trying to catch up, but i just want to commend HLSlawyerChik on some great sleuthing...
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Okay, I'm beating a dead horse, but I did find a photo showing what appears to be a security guard in a full black outfit on the last night of the Soul Music Beach Festival. See the guy standing in front of the stage in the 2nd picture:

http://www.kikotakiko.com/gallery1.php?album=227&item=Photogallery

seems perhaps someone should send a few questions to Wyclef Jean & posse re: black shirts ...and what they were up to?


Deepak told the security guard in jail that they made up the black t-shirt security guard thing and apologized for getting him involved - I believe the security guard.


After all this time it is almost healthier to believe no one.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 08:57:05 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Hey, I like Nancy Grace - go ahead and flame me
she honors our heros!!


I LOVE Nancy Grace...is that a bad thing here?  lol

On another note...it was the day from hell (last day at my office) and i missed EVERYTHING going on today.  Is there any news?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Onnimus on June 22, 2005, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


With all the wondering about how Joran could get here, there, and everywhere, where is his family's home in relation to the hotels and casinos? What is within walkinh distance of Joran's home- or do people think he called someone to park outside and pick him up? WHat places are within walking distance of each other?

Also with his friends driving him around (Kalpoes), why did he need his dad to pick him up at McDonald's on the night he later snuck out?

Where are the posters from Aruba???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ting"
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maybe joran called the Kalpoes on his cell and asked them to pick tehn up at the club.


That doesn't make sense because Jorans dad picked him up a 11pm


Right. picked him up at McDonald's, according to Mr. VDS, per Greta, if I am not mistaken.

Maybe that is why Mr. Holloway is so insistent that Mr. VDS knows something.

Are there any witnesses who have been able to confirm that Mr. VDS picked Joran up at McDonald's?


Interesting question - there were some reports on these boards a couple of days ago that said some MB students saw PVDS at McDonalds at 3:00am.

arubagirl posted that McDonalds closed at 1:00 am


Maybe they saw him at 11 picking up that hot kid JVDS in the blue shirt.


I was thinking the same thing - they just had the time wrong.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Hey, I like Nancy Grace - go ahead and flame me
she honors our heros!!


I LOVE Nancy Grace...is that a bad thing here?  lol

On another note...it was the day from hell (last day at my office) and i missed EVERYTHING going on today.  Is there any news?


 Not really wench! I myself like Nancy as well.. I thought she was awesome with the Scott Peterson case!


Title: Re: RBN#18
Post by: Kshe78 on June 22, 2005, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "wbvious"
am still running about an hour behind here trying to catch up, but i just want to commend HLSlawyerChik on some great sleuthing...
Quote
Okay, I'm beating a dead horse, but I did find a photo showing what appears to be a security guard in a full black outfit on the last night of the Soul Music Beach Festival. See the guy standing in front of the stage in the 2nd picture:

http://www.kikotakiko.com/gallery1.php?album=227&item=Photogallery

seems perhaps someone should send a few questions to Wyclef Jean & posse re: black shirts ...and what they were up to?


Deepak told the security guard in jail that they made up the black t-shirt security guard thing and apologized for getting him involved - I believe the security guard.


My only problem with the security guard story is that throughout this entire time we've constantly been told by the Aruban authorities and people "in the know" in the community that they cannot reveal any of the information that they have.  Sure, many people have been interviewed and told what they 'speculate' or 'think,' etc., but the police aren't revealing anything themselves.  Most of what we think we know here is mostly speculation.  That being said, WHY would the police allow the security guard go on national news and tell everything he knows?  You would think that they would release him, but tell him that he's essentially under a gag order to protect the investigation.  

I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, it's just something that has bugged me since the day he was talking about it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Trini_Roots on June 22, 2005, 08:59:43 PM
Here's a pic of J VDS I haven't seen yet...same shirt, different day!

[url]http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=212&pos=52
check out pic 52 or 53


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 08:59:51 PM
Angie - thanks! Having raised 2 kids through teen years, I know that even my wonderful youngin's have made their share of bad decisions - and I know one of them sure did not react well when questioned about it.


The kids on both "sides" drank, gambled, partied, probably did some drugs, probably had some sex ... so let's not make only one set of kids the demons.

And remember that we know nothing - all the stories, changed stories, etc are simply reports in MSM.

The Arubans must be horrified if they have seen much of the discussions like some here - portraying PVDS as a white slaving drug lord bad father must not have made them happy - along with the constant critique of their justice system.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


If X was flowing like water, and you believe deepaks email for behavior. She wasn't drugged by anyone. How much X did the MBHS do that week and what medication was in her bag?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:00:52 PM
Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break

Wantsanswers, I have rapidly come to the conclusion you really don't want any answers, you're a cheerleader.  Give me my cross-dressing clothes back, will ya? :)

If this case took place here in the US, you would be all over asking those questions.  What makes the fact it's in Aruba any different?  We all appear to want  the Arubans to investigate this as we would here - well, why wouldn't those same avenues not be up for discussion?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 09:00:58 PM
What is Greta promising for this evening? I don't get FOX - but I have many in my yard.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


If X was flowing like water, and you believe deepaks email for behavior. She wasn't drugged by anyone. How much X did the MBHS do that week and what medication was in her bag?


But if she wasn't drugged by anyone then why hide the body? I mean if they didn't do anything wrong then they would just confess what happened and move on.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: "Onnimus"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"


PVDS said that Joran snuck out of the house at 11:30 pm. He would have needed a ride to C&C's.


With all the wondering about how Joran could get here, there, and everywhere, where is his family's home in relation to the hotels and casinos? What is within walkinh distance of Joran's home- or do people think he called someone to park outside and pick him up? WHat places are within walking distance of each other?

Also with his friends driving him around (Kalpoes), why did he need his dad to pick him up at McDonald's on the night he later snuck out?

Where are the posters from Aruba???


Deepak was at work? Didn't the email say that?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote


I vote for hostile, if I didn't have another agenda I would have left already. And no I am not telling anyone what it is.


So you think there's a need for spelling it out?

Quote

But if you look at the post back to me and the battles I have picked up and fought you will see what I say is true by example.


You, and Aruba, and BHT perhaps have more in common than you realize.

 Perhaps some of that hostility is projection, as well as some of what the island rumors you referenced are about.  The best way to stay completely "sane" about an issue, even a collective issue, is to find a way to blame someone else. Completely natural. And Aruba is hurting right now from all this bad news and the light it's shedding on the drug problems and questions about the so-called lack of crime.  So it's natural for Aruba's proud citizens to hope against hope that Natalee Holloway is responsible for whatever happened to her.  Just as it's natural for BHT to believe that someone else is truly responsible.  

But factually speaking...there's no factual evidence that points to her choosing to disappear, or at least none of which I've been made aware.  It would take a truly callous individual to not send an anonymous letter, or email, or some sort of message saying "I'm okay" with enough details to prove to BHT that it was Natalee.  Even if she hated her folks (and there's no real signs of that) she has to love someone enough - even her friends - to get that message out there after 20 days of their collective suffering.

Anyway, peace.  I think coming here with an agenda of any kind is disingenous and unethical, not to mention transparent. But it's everyone's right to do as they wish.


Thanks I think.


Title: Off topic...guess they wiped out our avatars
Post by: Whitney on June 22, 2005, 09:02:37 PM
Off topic...It's probably been asked and explained, but my Aruba Flag avatar has been (((boinked))) as have all the others, too.  

...and it took a bit to find it and then attach it, here.  A casualty  :wink:


Title: poster
Post by: calif-mom on June 22, 2005, 09:03:22 PM
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: melrose on June 22, 2005, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


possibly because Joran's arrival so close to closing cut him off at the pass and Joran and co were left with the aftermath


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Angie - thanks! Having raised 2 kids through teen years, I know that even my wonderful youngin's have made their share of bad decisions - and I know one of them sure did not react well when questioned about it.


The kids on both "sides" drank, gambled, partied, probably did some drugs, probably had some sex ... so let's not make only one set of kids the demons.

And remember that we know nothing - all the stories, changed stories, etc are simply reports in MSM.

The Arubans must be horrified if they have seen much of the discussions like some here - portraying PVDS as a white slaving drug lord bad father must not have made them happy - along with the constant critique of their justice system.


You are welcome.. and I agree with what you posted as well!! I know myself I am not one of the parents here in my area that profess my child is an angel .. in any way shape or form..!! Again. I am not bashing anyone... just a moms point of view thats raised teens!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 09:03:38 PM
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:03:47 PM
OMG...strange news about the 3 amigos being interrogated together in one room!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Onnimus on June 22, 2005, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"

No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Are MBHS kids actually rich, or just upper middle class- what defines rich here? Also it's a pretty big assumption to say these kids are spoiled...I know you mean ALL our kids are spoiled these days and I can agree with that, but these MBHS kids don't seem to be any different than other kids to me. I wouldn't call them rich or spoiled just because their unofficial class trip was to Aruba.

Back on-topic, what has Nancy Grace said tonight?

<edited to edit out some typos>


Title: Re: Off topic...guess they wiped out our avatars
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Off topic...It's probably been asked and explained, but my [/b]Aruba Flag avatar has been (((boinked))) as have all the others, too.  

...and it took a bit to find it and then attach it, here.  A casualty  :wink:


Unfortunately, Tom had to turn them off due to traffic.  The avatars and sig lines all are interpreted as a "connection" by the software he's using for the forum.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break


but why wouldn't you want input from the island if you could get it. I plan on having first hand accounts and be able to ask for place investigations if those go to saturday. You have to set up those connections not shut them down.


Yes, if it makes sense, but honestly, who would believe the step-father )excuse me, who seriously would believe it)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Bill on June 22, 2005, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
What is Greta promising for this evening? I don't get FOX - but I have many in my yard.

Greta actually has another scoop!  She's got an on camera interview with the Van der Sloots at their home.

Here's a cynical thought-- knowing the Aruban law might toss out a case based on leeks to the media (unfair treatement), could the Van der Sloots be deliberately tyring to throw that monkey wrench into the works?

Though I tend to believe that the Aruban justice system can survive a few TV interviews with those involved.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 09:04:41 PM
By the way - has anyone given an educated statement of the various penalties these young men could possibly receive under Dutch/Aruban law - ie. for something like a manslaughter / accidental death conviction.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:05:17 PM
And the FBI is telling Mr. H that the they are impressed with the local interrogation techniques.  I wouldn't have expected that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: AzRose on June 22, 2005, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
OMG...strange news about the 3 amigos being interrogated together in one room!


Where you hearing this from?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


Reports from Aruban bloggers was that Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies (ruphynol) and it was Deepak that drugged Natalee. Was the plan to gang rape her? Reports were that she died from the drugs.


Title: Re: Off topic...guess they wiped out our avatars
Post by: Whitney on June 22, 2005, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Off topic...It's probably been asked and explained, but my [/b]Aruba Flag avatar has been (((boinked))) as have all the others, too.  

...and it took a bit to find it and then attach it, here.  A casualty  :wink:


Unfortunately, Tom had to turn them off due to traffic.  The avatars and sig lines all are interpreted as a "connection" by the software he's using for the forum.


Thank you, RB...I figured it was something like that...loved that purple Aruba flag.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 09:06:32 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


You know what they say: Fair, Fat, Female and Forty.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


Nancy how bout a clear and concise theory from you in paragraph format. I have heard what you have to say yet. It all comes out as attack, snippet, attack, snippet and frankly it has gotten kind of old.


It's FAR too early to have a theory IMO. There aren't enough facts to do that yet. When I study a case I read and research and build a case in my mind.  The case is always built with facts and a sound timeline as it's basic structure...when rumors, hearsay or unconfirmed info comes along I tuck away the one I feel are "possible".  I'm very discerning in what goes on this list.

In the meantime, I study behavior, the legal moves, and use my own life experience to decide what is a possible truth. For instance now I'm watching the interrogations, their length, etc. I know they've stopped for the time being...I'm wondering why.  What is their next tact?  I'm also looking at behavior of the families. I NEVER waste my valuable time discussing theories that aren't based on some facts. I fully believe in discussing the possibilies...however, time must be taken to do real live deep research before I'll put it in my sleuthin' bag of tricks or start throwing innocent names around!

Detectives, and even good armchair sleuths build a case slowly and with great care.  I can tell you this...I don't believe this case is complicated.  The emotions and devastation of ALL these families in the aftermath are deep and complicated.  HOWEVER, I don't believe for a second the crime portion of this case is complicated.  IMO we aren't dealing with kidnapping, drug dealing or Columbian operatives.  

AND, I have a rule to NEVER, EVER to state something as fact if I know it isn't.  If one of my "possible" facts gets stronger I will throw it into a discussion,  BUT always prefaced with a tag line indicating it is rumor, or hearsay. And I'm very discerning about possible evidence that comes along. My goal is to build a strong case with sound information.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Absolut, were you not in the popular, rich group in school? Where would they hide thebody   when they weren't familiar with the island?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


{{{Shell}}}}} Good luck, dear! But at least now they can take it out easily.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
By the way - has anyone given an educated statement of the various penalties these young men could possibly receive under Dutch/Aruban law - ie. for something like a manslaughter / accidental death conviction.


The attorney that Greta interviewed says 20 to life...no death penalty.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:06:45 PM
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


{{{Shell}}}}} Good luck, dear! But at least now they can take it out easily.


{{{{{Shell}}}}} Hang in there, honey!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.

I heard this on some station today.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


Reports from Aruban bloggers was that Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies (ruphynol) and it was Deepak that drugged Natalee. Was the plan to gang rape her? Reports were that she died from the drugs.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "absolut"
I think we may be seeing on the board why we are not hearing on here what the rumors out of aruba are. The island things there is more here than meets the eye and that possibly the family has more information.

THAT IS A FACT. THIS IS WHAT THE ISLAND THINKS. Flame away.


Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break


but why wouldn't you want input from the island if you could get it. I plan on having first hand accounts and be able to ask for place investigations if those go to saturday. You have to set up those connections not shut them down.


Yes, if it makes sense, but honestly, who would believe the step-father )excuse me, who seriously would believe it)


That isn't the only rumor.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
On the earlier question about accidental death.

If the guys would just tell the family where the body is, then I would support a mild punishment.

There is no reason to ruin three kids lives and it won't bring Nat back.  By that I mean she fell and hit her head or something like that.  Perhaps a year in jail and then probation for obstruction.

If they gave her drugs without her knowing and od's then a longer sentence--five years, but not the life mentoned for murder.


I think that these are basically good kids and they will punish themselves for the rest of their lives IF they brought about her death.


Or MBHS' were doing drugs, or drugged her. I know improbable. Cause these guys were perfect.


Its possible, but why drug someone and then let them ride off with someone else, kind of spoils the plan dont you think?

And why would the three lie about it if they didn't have anything to do with the death?


Reports from Aruban bloggers was that Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies (ruphynol) and it was Deepak that drugged Natalee. Was the plan to gang rape her? Reports were that she died from the drugs.


That's seems like one of the more likely possibilities to me.  It would certainly explain why steve is corroborating their story (assuming cnn is right).


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:07:31 PM
No problem, Whitney.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 09:08:02 PM
OMG.. NH dad just on FOX saying there could be 9 to 10 more witnesses getting called in?? Anyone else hear this??  I can only hear a little bit.. AC is running..
  He is thanking folks back home for what they are doing for the family.......  He sensed others are involved.. and he said JVS developed amnesia all of a sudden...  ha ha!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:08:11 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


You know what they say: Fair, Fat, Female and Forty.


don't forget flatulent  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 09:08:17 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Seems the Aruban LE thinks they're headed in the right direction with the boys. OR, of course, they could be dragging in Wyclef Jean's entourage....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Yep. BAL-LISTIC. Getcher helmets whilst they last....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: lee on June 22, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
how can you rule it an accident unless you have either the body or a witnesse's statement?

all we have now is changing stories..

when you have changing stories, something is being hidden...

besides, if its an accident, why not  bring her to the hospital or polis station right away?????

I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

there is no other explanation for the lies......none whatsoever....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 09:08:49 PM
"Mr Van Der Sloot developed amnesia" - Natalee's father


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 09:09:08 PM
Mr Hollaway is again on HnC saying the elder van der sloot has something to do with his daughter's disappearance. Wonder if something is about to happen?


Title: The Big Picture
Post by: martin connahey on June 22, 2005, 09:09:22 PM
Link from Michelle Malkin's article, "Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome," at her site. Nice overview of all the sociological aspects of the case.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002712.htm

-MC


Title: Re: poster
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:


First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:09:49 PM
I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

I think if it was accidental, it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


HOLY SHIT I've missed out!  So the 3 guys are being interrogated together and Joran says that Deepak picked him up and Deepak says, "why are you lying".  Joran:  "Oh yeah, Satish picked me up."  Okay....then what?  Why do we only get little bits of info that make us go CRAZY???


Title: Re: The Big Picture
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Link from Michelle Malkin's article, "Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome," at her site. Nice overview of all the sociological aspects of the case.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002712.htm

-MC


she is an idiot. :evil:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

I think if it was accidental, it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing.


And at that point you make a conscious decision to do the right thing or not. If you do the wrong thing, you are now guilty of a crime.


Title: Re: poster
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:


First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Why is that a sick joke?  I seem to recall that there was a flyer like that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 09:11:40 PM
Looks like those school mates of Joran's are not going to escape questioning.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "RB"
I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

I think if it was accidental, it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing.


And at that point you make a conscious decision to do the right thing or not. If you do the wrong thing, you are now guilty of a crime.


True that.  But what would the crime be exactly under Dutch law? BENDEX?????? Help me


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


{{{Shell}}}}} Good luck, dear! But at least now they can take it out easily.


Shell, it will all work out.  I'll include you in my prayers tonight!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "sandy"
By the way - has anyone given an educated statement of the various penalties these young men could possibly receive under Dutch/Aruban law - ie. for something like a manslaughter / accidental death conviction.


The attorney that Greta interviewed says 20 to life...no death penalty.


of course joran would get less since he is a minor.  somebody posted a dutch justice site earlier:  http://www.justitie.nl/english/


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "da wench"
OMG...strange news about the 3 amigos being interrogated together in one room!


Where you hearing this from?


They were discussing it on Hannity & Colmes.  

The three guys were put into a room with interogators.  The interogators begin saying this one said this, and another one said this.......trying to get them to talk and maybe blurt out something.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


You know what they say: Fair, Fat, Female and Forty.


don't forget flatulent  :lol:


Missed that class!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


Nancy how bout a clear and concise theory from you in paragraph format. I have heard what you have to say yet. It all comes out as attack, snippet, attack, snippet and frankly it has gotten kind of old.


It's FAR too early to have a theory IMO. There aren't enough facts to do that yet. When I study a case I read and research and build a case in my mind.  The case is always built with facts and a sound timeline as it's basic structure...when rumors, hearsay or unconfirmed info comes along I tuck away the one I feel are "possible".  I'm very discerning in what goes on this list.

In the meantime, I study behavior, the legal moves, and use my own life experience to decide what is a possible truth. For instance now I'm watching the interrogations, their length, etc. I know they've stopped for the time being...I'm wondering why.  What is their next tact?  I'm also looking at behavior of the families. I NEVER waste my valuable time discussing theories that aren't based on some facts. I fully believe in discussing the possibilies...however, time must be taken to do real live deep research before I'll put it in my sleuthin' bag of tricks or start throwing innocent names around!

Detectives, and even good armchair sleuths build a case slowly and with great care.  I can tell you this...I don't believe this case is complicated.  The emotions and devastation of ALL these families in the aftermath are deep and complicated.  HOWEVER, I don't believe for a second the crime portion of this case is complicated.  IMO we aren't dealing with kidnapping, drug dealing or Columbian operatives.  

AND, I have a rule to NEVER, EVER to state something as fact if I know it isn't.  If one of my "possible" facts gets stronger I will throw it into a discussion,  BUT always prefaced with a tag line indicating it is rumor, or hearsay. And I'm very discerning about possible evidence that comes along. My goal is to build a strong case with sound information.


Where is Dallas when you need to show em something. Great post and you are no doubt very familar with websleuths, america's most wanted and courttv boards. Because that post was dead on with an armchair detective. Now maybe you can appreciate the fact that this is the first case many posters have followed and you can allow them to have those far off opinions that you would NEVER voice.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


Very well could be.. its getting more interesting.. !!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


{{{Shell}}}}} Good luck, dear! But at least now they can take it out easily.


Shell, it will all work out.  I'll include you in my prayers tonight!!!!


Thank yall, Im 26 and have a gb of a 66 year old.  Who needs a gall bladder anyway?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:13:57 PM
Thanks iquitos


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "RB"
I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

I think if it was accidental, it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing.


And at that point you make a conscious decision to do the right thing or not. If you do the wrong thing, you are now guilty of a crime.


True that.  But what would the crime be exactly under Dutch law? BENDEX?????? Help me


Can you PM me the text of the answer to that, if Bendex or someone else explains? Gotta head off and spend quality time with my own lovely child. How lucky to be able to do that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


{{{Shell}}}}} Good luck, dear! But at least now they can take it out easily.


Shell, it will all work out.  I'll include you in my prayers tonight!!!!


Thank yall, Im 26 and have a gb of a 66 year old.  Who needs a gall bladder anyway?


Yeah, Shell, who needs it?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: "lee"
how can you rule it an accident unless you have either the body or a witnesse's statement?

all we have now is changing stories..

when you have changing stories, something is being hidden...

besides, if its an accident, why not  bring her to the hospital or polis station right away?????

I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

there is no other explanation for the lies......none whatsoever....


Very good logic! :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: AzRose on June 22, 2005, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "da wench"
OMG...strange news about the 3 amigos being interrogated together in one room!


Where you hearing this from?


They were discussing it on Hannity & Colmes.  

The three guys were put into a room with interogators.  The interogators begin saying this one said this, and another one said this.......trying to get them to talk and maybe blurt out something.


Thanks, Dag


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: JessesMom on June 22, 2005, 09:15:57 PM
From the best I've been able to understand, the Aruban law is if any of the information from the investigation gets out into the public that it can cause a mistrial of sorts.  If that's true, then I don't understand why the security guard and his lawyer were able to reveal what was said in the jail.  That doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe someone familiar with the law could address that??  Pretty please.  I just can't bear the thought that somehow this investigation has already been jeopardized.

Oh, and another thought I had:  If the VDS's have said anything substantial to Greta or BH, is there any way they could be called in for questioning??

Thanks!


Title: Re: poster
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:



First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Why is that a sick joke?  I seem to recall that there was a flyer like that.
 

please look again.  seems reasonable to me.  it is personalized to get a response from natalee if she sees it.  sort of like the family password  i bet it is real


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "AzRose"
Quote from: "da wench"
OMG...strange news about the 3 amigos being interrogated together in one room!


Where you hearing this from?


They were discussing it on Hannity & Colmes.  

The three guys were put into a room with interogators.  The interogators begin saying this one said this, and another one said this.......trying to get them to talk and maybe blurt out something.


Thanks, Dag

You are welcome :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:16:43 PM
I NEVER waste my valuable time discussing theories that aren't based on some facts. I fully believe in discussing the possibilies...however, time must be taken to do real live deep research before I'll put it in my sleuthin' bag of tricks or start throwing innocent names around!

They why, nancy, are you discussing it on an Internet messageboard?  What's the be gained for your way of thinking by doing that?  Wouldn't you want your view to not be tainted by what's been floating around? Possibilties and discussion is what's happening here - I haven't posted a theory yet, nor half half the posters here.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Nancy - there are only one or two things that are not pure theory here - Natalee is missing and she went out for a drive with the 3 boys after CnCs. Everything else is speculation but there are certainly some very strong and at times nasty reactions to people who join and ask questions that do not fit one or two set "theories" of the case. One of those theories is that Natalee was a perfect saint, all the kids drank responsibly and all the bad stuff was done by those awful foreigners.  I think this is what RB and Absolut are pointing towards. Usually real life is more muddied than all that but there are times when anyone who suggests that gets treated as if they are "trashing Natalee" and some folks, esp if they are not used to being online, find that intimidating and hostile.


coco- I am not defending Natalies honor. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter to me if she was a saint or a slut. Like you said the two facts are she went for a drive with the 3 boys and she is missing. RB and Absolut are bringing up questions as to wether Natalie was a saint or a slut and in the context of this discussion it doesn't matter. That's the point I'm trying to make. We all know she left with them. We should concentrate on what happened after she left, not before because it doesn't matter. By RB and Absolut bringing up these questions of her character when it doesn't matter it seems like they are trying to pass blame on Natalie. Get my drift?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 09:17:23 PM
How one does dissapear accidently from a beach ?



- ajourney of a thousand miles begins with on step -

lao tse


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:17:34 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "RB"
I Can you PM me the text of the answer to that, if Bendex or someone else explains? Gotta head off and spend quality time with my own lovely child. How lucky to be able to do that.


Yes ma'am.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 09:17:43 PM
So they bring the 3 in a room...and start questioning Joran and he says "Deepak you came back after an hour and picked me up at the beach" and Deepak says "stop lying" and then Joran says "Oh,I mean YOU did, Satish".
I would like to know the "rest of that story"...
and:
No mention of Natalee.

Sorry but did the Kalpoe's supply Joran with a story and then he gets in there and messes it up or what??


Title: Re: poster
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:



First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Why is that a sick joke?  I seem to recall that there was a flyer like that.
 

please look again.  seems reasonable to me.  it is personalized to get a response from natalee if she sees it.  sort of like the family password  i bet it is real


From what I've gathered on here, Natalee's nickname is "Hootie".  This was a very personal poster made by her mother.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


I have been thinkong about this busness of Joran talking to his friends at school - I can't frankly imagine a 17yr old talking about a murder accidental or otherwise with friends so freely - I would think he would be so traumatized he would be in a trance almost, not knowing who to turn to.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 09:19:45 PM
Her dad seems to think she is dead.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Mr Hollaway is again on HnC saying the elder van der sloot has something to do with his daughter's disappearance. Wonder if something is about to happen?


From Hannity & what his name
I think that BTH's statement that her visit "confirmed" some things in her own mind was reference to the fact that she, now more than ever, thinks VDS senior is hiding something. And when she says that more people are involved she is referring to pop.  Just my opinion

Daddy Holloway thinks pop VDS knows something but is not willing to point fingers in a specific way. I don't think that dad H thinks she is alive. Just a gut feeling.

He says FBI says that Aruban police are doing a good job.
Asked about reaction to attacks on Natalee. Says he has not listened to press. I'm from south..trusting friendly people... VH befriended by them possibly the day before..not like they just met at the bar and she took off with them...natalee might be little naive but who's not at 18.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 22, 2005, 09:21:13 PM
someone on FOX now saying he doubts she is alive at this point.. OMG it was her dad.. I ran in the room.. YIKES...  also posts and posts ago someone mentioned that his voice sounds like Michael Waltrips.. too lazy to look that up.. and I agree..it does. Something is happening I believe..
and nobody can talk.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:21:23 PM
sorry the first paragraph was me and me alone not from H & C show.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


I have been thinkong about this busness of Joran talking to his friends at school - I can't frankly imagine a 17yr old talking about a murder accidental or otherwise with friends so freely - I would think he would be so traumatized he would be in a trance almost, not knowing who to turn to.


Unless he was making sure he told plenty of friends the "story" that he and the brothers intended to stick by so if these friends or classmates were asked they would say "Well, all he told me was that they went to the lighthouse and then they dropped her off at HI with a security guard helping her to the door..."


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


I have been thinkong about this busness of Joran talking to his friends at school - I can't frankly imagine a 17yr old talking about a murder accidental or otherwise with friends so freely - I would think he would be so traumatized he would be in a trance almost, not knowing who to turn to.


no not about murder, but about using the shocker--YES. Look at that sheriff's son in CA. and his buddies. Haihl I think his name was.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HLSlawyerchik on June 22, 2005, 09:22:03 PM
Quote
am still running about an hour behind here trying to catch up, but i just want to commend HLSlawyerChik on some great sleuthing...
Quote:
Okay, I'm beating a dead horse, but I did find a photo showing what appears to be a security guard in a full black outfit on the last night of the Soul Music Beach Festival. See the guy standing in front of the stage in the 2nd picture:

http://www.kikotakiko.com/gallery1.php?album=227&item=Photogallery


Thanks wbvious!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:22:33 PM
You're missing the point, Perf.  We're not targeting Ms Holloway, nor are we putting her on a pedestal. Sometimes the simpliest solution is the right one.

The waters, IMO, are much more muddied here than 3 guys abducted her and killed her.  No one deserves to die for a mistake, but that unfortunately happens and we have to learn from them and move on.  Nor does it give anyone else the right to take advanatge of a mistake to the detrement of your personal safety, and they should pay for doing so.  Please point out to me where any of us have said Natalee was as you described and I'll happily and meekly apologize.  You won't find that because we haven't done that, we're just open to all views and not just 1.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 09:22:39 PM
Actually dad said it was likely? not sure that is the word, that she had met these boys the day before.

Did they go the soul program its first night?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "lee"
how can you rule it an accident unless you have either the body or a witnesse's statement?

all we have now is changing stories..

when you have changing stories, something is being hidden...

besides, if its an accident, why not  bring her to the hospital or polis station right away?????

I surmiss that they didn't want to do that because she either had been gang raped or had drugs in her that weren't supposed to be there....

there is no other explanation for the lies......none whatsoever....


How about they're young, stupid and scared?


Title: Re: poster
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:



First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Why is that a sick joke?  I seem to recall that there was a flyer like that.
 

please look again.  seems reasonable to me.  it is personalized to get a response from natalee if she sees it.  sort of like the family password  i bet it is real


From what I've gathered on here, Natalee's nickname is "Hootie".  This was a very personal poster made by her mother.


then, I'll bet.... here come the runaway theories again...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
Kerin I have gotten so many PM's I had to delete some.  One thing I will say is that every one of them has said they're afraid to post on this board, and some of them appear to have some valuable contribution they could bring here.  They say it's "hostile" :)


Oh for crying out loud! Quit whining!  Everyone is welcome here. But, it's only logical when a train of thought or a far out theory gets out of hand, isn't fact based, it's gonna bring on a group outcry.

That's just human nature.


Nancy how bout a clear and concise theory from you in paragraph format. I have heard what you have to say yet. It all comes out as attack, snippet, attack, snippet and frankly it has gotten kind of old.


It's FAR too early to have a theory IMO. There aren't enough facts to do that yet. When I study a case I read and research and build a case in my mind.  The case is always built with facts and a sound timeline as it's basic structure...when rumors, hearsay or unconfirmed info comes along I tuck away the one I feel are "possible".  I'm very discerning in what goes on this list.

In the meantime, I study behavior, the legal moves, and use my own life experience to decide what is a possible truth. For instance now I'm watching the interrogations, their length, etc. I know they've stopped for the time being...I'm wondering why.  What is their next tact?  I'm also looking at behavior of the families. I NEVER waste my valuable time discussing theories that aren't based on some facts. I fully believe in discussing the possibilies...however, time must be taken to do real live deep research before I'll put it in my sleuthin' bag of tricks or start throwing innocent names around!

Detectives, and even good armchair sleuths build a case slowly and with great care.  I can tell you this...I don't believe this case is complicated.  The emotions and devastation of ALL these families in the aftermath are deep and complicated.  HOWEVER, I don't believe for a second the crime portion of this case is complicated.  IMO we aren't dealing with kidnapping, drug dealing or Columbian operatives.  

AND, I have a rule to NEVER, EVER to state something as fact if I know it isn't.  If one of my "possible" facts gets stronger I will throw it into a discussion,  BUT always prefaced with a tag line indicating it is rumor, or hearsay. And I'm very discerning about possible evidence that comes along. My goal is to build a strong case with sound information.


Where is Dallas when you need to show em something. Great post and you are no doubt very familar with websleuths, america's most wanted and courttv boards. Because that post was dead on with an armchair detective. Now maybe you can appreciate the fact that this is the first case many posters have followed and you can allow them to have those far off opinions that you would NEVER voice.


No, I'm not familar with those sites. I read TONS, have diverse friendships including detectives, writers and great journalists.  Yes, I have some patience for the newbies here...but, it's also the old timers (i'm not THAT old) who should step in and question, support and be downright frank when things get way off base.  

Cheers!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: "RB"
You're missing the point, Perf.  We're not targeting Ms Holloway, nor are we putting her on a pedestal. Sometimes the simpliest solution is the right one.

The waters, IMO, are much more muddied here than 3 guys abducted her and killed her.  No one deserves to die for a mistake, but that unfortunately happens and we have to learn from them and move on.  Nor does it give anyone else the right to take advanatge of a mistake to the detrement of your personal safety, and they should pay for doing so.  Please point out to me where any of us have said Natalee was as you described and I'll happily and meekly apologize.  You won't find that because we haven't done that, we're just open to all views and not just 1.

Please tell me why it makes a difference what her behavior was before she left?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
You're missing the point, Perf.  We're not targeting Ms Holloway, nor are we putting her on a pedestal. Sometimes the simpliest solution is the right one.

The waters, IMO, are much more muddied here than 3 guys abducted her and killed her.  No one deserves to die for a mistake, but that unfortunately happens and we have to learn from them and move on.  Nor does it give anyone else the right to take advanatge of a mistake to the detrement of your personal safety, and they should pay for doing so.  Please point out to me where any of us have said Natalee was as you described and I'll happily and meekly apologize.  You won't find that because we haven't done that, we're just open to all views and not just 1.

Please tell me why it makes a difference what her behavior was before she left?


Before she left where? Ig she left with Joran in the car, which seems to be conflicted although I think it probably happened?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 09:25:43 PM
Quote
VDS senior is hiding something


I may change my mind after seeing him on Greta later, but at this point I think he may be hiding that like Mr. Bojangles, he drinks a bit.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
How one does dissapear accidently from a beach ?



- ajourney of a thousand miles begins with on step -

lao tse


Tsunami?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
VDS senior is hiding something


I may change my mind after seeing him on Greta later, but at this point I think he may be hiding that like Mr. Bojangles, he drinks a bit.


Heh.  I'd second that :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
You're missing the point, Perf.  We're not targeting Ms Holloway, nor are we putting her on a pedestal. Sometimes the simpliest solution is the right one.

The waters, IMO, are much more muddied here than 3 guys abducted her and killed her.  No one deserves to die for a mistake, but that unfortunately happens and we have to learn from them and move on.  Nor does it give anyone else the right to take advanatge of a mistake to the detrement of your personal safety, and they should pay for doing so.  Please point out to me where any of us have said Natalee was as you described and I'll happily and meekly apologize.  You won't find that because we haven't done that, we're just open to all views and not just 1.

Please tell me why it makes a difference what her behavior was before she left?

Before she left where? Ig she left with Joran in the car, which seems to be conflicted although I think it probably happened?


Yes before she left with Joran, you don't believe that now?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 09:26:44 PM
Could the delay for the Texas group be this.

Aruba does not want Americans finding the body.

They think they are close and want to find it for many reasons without outside help.  So they put the team off two days.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 22, 2005, 09:28:00 PM
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  I think that is what the retired detective was trying to say. I don't think you can ever know what goes on in the worlds of others.  You always think someone has the perfect life and then you find out things that make you realize no one has a perfect life.  Until it is all over - no one can be discounted.  The only one that knows what really happened is Natalee and the people involved and until it all comes out everything is a rumour.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break

Wantsanswers, I have rapidly come to the conclusion you really don't want any answers, you're a cheerleader.  Give me my cross-dressing clothes back, will ya? :)

If this case took place here in the US, you would be all over asking those questions.  What makes the fact it's in Aruba any different?  We all appear to want  the Arubans to investigate this as we would here - well, why wouldn't those same avenues not be up for discussion?


Just please think about it. Why would he oft her there, pay a lot of money I might add, for an airline ticket for a hit man. He doesn't need the money, has many connections. Etc... I am not being a cheerleader for anyone. Believe me, if it smelled rotten, I would be the first one to throw it out to the group... The kids keep lying and that is where it lies....with them.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
So they bring the 3 in a room...and start questioning Joran and he says "Deepak you came back after an hour and picked me up at the beach" and Deepak says "stop lying" and then Joran says "Oh,I mean YOU did, Satish".
I would like to know the "rest of that story"...
and:
No mention of Natalee.

Sorry but did the Kalpoe's supply Joran with a story and then he gets in there and messes it up or what??


What is killin me is that that is all the info we get.  Where did that come from and why isn't there more??  What did Satish say?  Why would either of them pick up Joran and not Nat?  What the hell??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:29:16 PM
She isn't a saint or a slut she is a human being still missing outside our borders. You have no more and no less information than anyone else. I believe that more people were doing more things that jeopardized everyones safety that night. Natalee ended up being the victim (if you need that word) If there was medication in her bag that she had taken and then an illegal substance (willing) and drank. The boys loaded a lethal combination in the car.

There is a pattern here. If you can't believe the 3 didnt do it. (yes they may have hid the body) Then you don't believe the deepak emails or that MBHS stories do not line up. You are entitled to that, just don't put the word slut in my mouth cause I never said.

I am no less of a person on here because I do not agree with you.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: maggie fff on June 22, 2005, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  


Um, no.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  I think that is what the retired detective was trying to say. I don't think you can ever know what goes on in the worlds of others.  You always think someone has the perfect life and then you find out things that make you realize no one has a perfect life.  Until it is all over - no one can be discounted.  The only one that knows what really happened is Natalee and the people involved and until it all comes out everything is a rumour.


I'm most certainly not going to attack, but I can honestly say that I did not for one day feel sorry for Scot Peterson.  I had a feeling from day one, from the moment it started, that he was responsible.  Can't explain it, but I did.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: "Onnimus"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"

No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Are MBHS kids actually rich, or just upper middle class- what defines rich here? Also it's a pretty big assumption to say these kids are spoiled...I know you mean ALL our kids are spoiled these days and I can agree with that, but these MBHS kids don't seem to be any different than other kids to me. I wouldn't call them rich or spoiled just because their unofficial class trip was to Aruba.

Back on-topic, what has Nancy Grace said tonight?

<edited to edit out some typos>


Thanks for you post Omni, I just loooove how some here seem to know everyone in MB, and how spoiled and rich they are  :roll: Whatever....


Title: Re: poster
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "calif-mom"
i never post. just have been readin along and following the story. Tears my heart out.

this is posted at another place on this site:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

what do you think? Seems very odd to me.

People are saying this is legit. Seems bogus to me. And very strange.

(now, if this was discussed eons ago, I apologize. A person can't possibly read everything written from day one)  :wink:



First I've seen it but I'd say its another very sick joke. :(


Why is that a sick joke?  I seem to recall that there was a flyer like that.
 

please look again.  seems reasonable to me.  it is personalized to get a response from natalee if she sees it.  sort of like the family password  i bet it is real


Can't see it now the site is overloaded. Maybe it isnt a joke, but I think that Natalee is alive is wishfull thinking. These 3 guys in prison wouldnt be changing their story and sweating it out in prison if Natalee was still alive.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
9 or 10 more witnesses might be forthcoming according to Daddy H. Oh my Gosh. This board is gonna go ballistic...


Apparantly , Joran was talking to his classmate about the case, I wonder if it's his classmates...


I have been thinkong about this busness of Joran talking to his friends at school - I can't frankly imagine a 17yr old talking about a murder accidental or otherwise with friends so freely - I would think he would be so traumatized he would be in a trance almost, not knowing who to turn to.


doubt he talked about a murder, probably talked about how he ducked a bullet when the twittys visited and then the cops questioned him and let him go. he thought he was off the hook  he might be innocent.  i am sure he had a lot to tell without admitting murder.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 09:31:24 PM
Quote from: "maggie fff"
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  


Um, no.


Me neither, I knew he killed her day 1


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 22, 2005, 09:32:04 PM
Hi, all SM's!  I'm finally ready to stop lurking and join in.  I feel like I know you all already.  I've been reading for 3 days now and haven't done a thing around the house.  I was afraid I was a troll at first because I was lurking and wasn't registered!   :(
Hi especially to all my Texas buddies on line here.  I miss the Lone Star State!
I'm just a parent of 3 boys, one who is 17, and I'm just as concerned as the rest of you about NH's disappearance.  It scares me to think that boys could so something like this.  I'm so hoping the newest theory that some of you have about the other security guards being involved is true.  I prefer to think she's been taken "elsewhere" than at the bottom of the ocean.
Welcome to all the other "newcomers" here.  Hopefully we won't all make too many mistakes!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: inspector_detector on June 22, 2005, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
VDS senior is hiding something


I may change my mind after seeing him on Greta later, but at this point I think he may be hiding that like Mr. Bojangles, he drinks a bit.


Doesn't he look a lot like Dan Akroyd? :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:32:20 PM
Quote
Please tell me why it makes a difference what her behavior was before she left?
Yes before she left with Joran, you don't believe that now?


Didn't say I didn't believe it  -  I said there are conflicting stories about it from the MB'ers and that I believed it probably happened.  

The problem here is the partying in the hours and minutes before she left, or directly afterwards.  People do stupid things they would not normally do when in a vacation setting; I'm sure we all have.  If I'm in a bar, and if I actively accept alcohol and or drugs, it takes that accidental death thing to a really muddied moral interpretation for those of us watching this. It's almost a chicken and egg scenario - understand what I'm saying?

[/quote]


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: pybird on June 22, 2005, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Kerin think about me tomorrow I have to get my gallbladder scan.  3 Hours of scanning and Iv's.  They dont think my gb is working.


You know what they say: Fair, Fat, Female and Forty.


OMG...LMAO...that is so funny sandy!

Sorry to be off topic...couldn't help myself on that one.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: "maggie fff"
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  


Um, no.


I did feel sorry for him in the beginning, but as soon as the mistress info came out, I sure thought he was guilty as hell.  I thought Susan Smith was guilty the first time I saw her.  She just didn't seem right to me and I felt a little bad about it, but I was very suspicious from the start.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "RB"
Flame Flame - yes, one of those crazy stories is it was the step father - he wanted the life insurance...Give me a break

Wantsanswers, I have rapidly come to the conclusion you really don't want any answers, you're a cheerleader.  Give me my cross-dressing clothes back, will ya? :)

If this case took place here in the US, you would be all over asking those questions.  What makes the fact it's in Aruba any different?  We all appear to want  the Arubans to investigate this as we would here - well, why wouldn't those same avenues not be up for discussion?


Just please think about it. Why would he oft her there, pay a lot of money I might add, for an airline ticket for a hit man. He doesn't need the money, has many connections. Etc... I am not being a cheerleader for anyone. Believe me, if it smelled rotten, I would be the first one to throw it out to the group... The kids keep lying and that is where it lies....with them.


This I can accept.  Thanks for explaining.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I NEVER waste my valuable time discussing theories that aren't based on some facts. I fully believe in discussing the possibilies...however, time must be taken to do real live deep research before I'll put it in my sleuthin' bag of tricks or start throwing innocent names around!

They why, nancy, are you discussing it on an Internet messageboard?  What's the be gained for your way of thinking by doing that?  Wouldn't you want your view to not be tainted by what's been floating around? Possibilties and discussion is what's happening here - I haven't posted a theory yet, nor half half the posters here.


Because I was a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum.  I know how important discussion and debate is to finding truth!  It's the basic premise in free speech...throw all kinds of BS around and sooner or later TRUTH floats to the top! However, my time is very valuable...and cheesecake-way-off-target discussions frankly bore me...especially when valuable bandwidth is at stake.  Many times peoples egos have an urgent need to "crack the case" they can't help themselves. The crazier and kookier the theory..the better.  I can't play that game.  Show me a theory that has been researched, has facts as it's structure and research to help prove the theory...I'm there!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 22, 2005, 09:34:03 PM
A small victory....

Yesterday I filed a complaint with Yahoo because they allowed a Yahoo Group to exist that was extremely offensive with regard to Natalee and her family.  If you went to Yahoo/Groups and searched using the term "Natalee Holloway" you got a list of groups related to this case, but the first one listed was just horrendous both in terms of its name and its description.  I will spare you the details.

At any rate, I got this response back from them today:

*******************
We appreciate your report of possible abuse in Yahoo! Groups. We have
investigated your report and have taken appropriate action as per our
Terms of Service (TOS). For further details about the Yahoo! TOS, you
can visit:

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Please know that Yahoo! is unable to disclose the action taken on
another user's account with a third party. We are not able to make
exceptions to this rule.

********************
At any rate, the offensive group is now off the site.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 09:34:20 PM
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 22, 2005, 09:34:23 PM
The only point I am trying to make is that none of us 'know' anything.

And for a place where nothing is supposed to be shared about cases while they are being investigated we sure have a lot of stuff to talk about.  

I guess I am just trying to say until this is all over and the facts are known there should be no rush to judgment.  And yes, were mistakes made in the beginning, it's possible but when we become perfect then we can criticize.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 09:34:44 PM
Quote
didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???


No, I didn't. I can't claim to be a big fan of Nancy Grace like some here, but I did agree with her that it was very unusual that a man whose wife was expecting a child would choose to go fishing on Christmas Eve.

I thought that if the family were Jains, or Muslims or Shinto, that somehow that would have been mentioned with all the coverage, and in the US, many families who are not Christian still celebrate in one way or another. It is a day off, and the family can get together and eat.

I apologize for the off topic post, and I will strive to improve.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Me too.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???


No, I didn't. I can't claim to be a big fan of Nancy Grace like some here, but I did agree with her that it was very unusual that a man whose wife was expecting a child would choose to go fishing on Christmas Eve.

I thought that if the family were Jains, or Muslims or Shinto, that somehow that would have been mentioned with all the coverage, and in the US, many families who are not Christian still celebrate in one way or another. It is a day off, and the family can get together and eat.

I apologize for the off topic post, and I will strive to improve.


Actually, I think the big picture of looking at how we intrepet the potential guilt of suspects is relevent.  Thanks for sharin' :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote
Please tell me why it makes a difference what her behavior was before she left?
Yes before she left with Joran, you don't believe that now?


Didn't say I didn't believe it  -  I said there are conflicting stories about it from the MB'ers and that I believed it probably happened.  

The problem here is the partying in the hours and minutes before she left, or directly afterwards.  People do stupid things they would not normally do when in a vacation setting; I'm sure we all have.  If I'm in a bar, and if I actively accept alcohol and or drugs, it takes that accidental death thing to a really muddied moral interpretation for those of us watching this. It's almost a chicken and egg scenario - understand what I'm saying?

[/quote]

I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 09:37:30 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
Don't attack - but didn't everyone feel sorry for Scott Peterson when that all first happened???  I think that is what the retired detective was trying to say. I don't think you can ever know what goes on in the worlds of others.  You always think someone has the perfect life and then you find out things that make you realize no one has a perfect life.  Until it is all over - no one can be discounted.  The only one that knows what really happened is Natalee and the people involved and until it all comes out everything is a rumour.


No I thought he did it from the get go. I felt sorry for her mother


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
A small victory....
At any rate, the offensive group is now off the site.


Good job!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 09:37:57 PM
Scott Peterson was another guy who could not keep his stories straight even before we knew about Amber Frey.  He also acted the opposite of a suffering husband and showed a strange lack of emotion considering his pregnant wife was missing 2 days before Christmas.  Reminds me of the VDS kid.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:39:18 PM
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Title: Re: The Big Picture
Post by: Red on June 22, 2005, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Link from Michelle Malkin's article, "Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome," at her site. Nice overview of all the sociological aspects of the case.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002712.htm

-MC


You are kidding, right? Have you read her entire post? She really does not think this story is news worthy.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Onnimus"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"

No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Are MBHS kids actually rich, or just upper middle class- what defines rich here? Also it's a pretty big assumption to say these kids are spoiled...I know you mean ALL our kids are spoiled these days and I can agree with that, but these MBHS kids don't seem to be any different than other kids to me. I wouldn't call them rich or spoiled just because their unofficial class trip was to Aruba.

Back on-topic, what has Nancy Grace said tonight?

<edited to edit out some typos>


Thanks for you post Omni, I just loooove how some here seem to know everyone in MB, and how spoiled and rich they are  :roll: Whatever....
 

don't know about spoiled but rich they are as many of them have said themselves on the site.  look at the demographcs folks, $100,000 median income, $375,000 median house price (not san francisco but not cheap), lilly white, 60 blacks and 106 hipanics (domestics?) in the whole place of 12,000.  rich yes and sometimes rich and spoiled go together.   note also that less than half the class participated in the trip for various reasons including parental permission and financial issues.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 09:40:16 PM
:::::loggin on and falling down from the loft:::::


Anyone ever find it odd, the since Natalee's mom truly believes she is alive, that she hasn't made a message on TV to her or those who might have her since she believes she is on the island?

Just something that came to me. Usually we see moms doing that along with trying to search.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Scott Peterson was another guy who could not keep his stories straight even before we knew about Amber Frey.  He also acted the opposite of a suffering husband and showed a strange lack of emotion considering his pregnant wife was missing 2 days before Christmas.  Reminds me of the VDS kid.


Well in defense of my ignorance regarding SP, I wasn't watching the news much.  AFTER Amber Frey is when the wench discovered Nancy Grace.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::loggin on and falling down from the loft:::::


Anyone ever find it odd, the since Natalee's mom truly believes she is alive, that she hasn't made a message on TV to her or those who might have her since she believes she is on the island?

Just something that came to me. Usually we see moms doing that along with trying to search.


Welcome to the jungle...grab a vine...and swing :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::loggin on and falling down from the loft:::::


Anyone ever find it odd, the since Natalee's mom truly believes she is alive, that she hasn't made a message on TV to her or those who might have her since she believes she is on the island?

Just something that came to me. Usually we see moms doing that along with trying to search.


She's doing it in person though.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: maggie fff on June 22, 2005, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"

Because I was a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum.  I know how important discussion and debate is to finding truth!  It's the basic premise in free speech...throw all kinds of BS around and sooner or later TRUTH floats to the top! However, my time is very valuable...and cheesecake-way-off-target discussions frankly bore me...especially when valuable bandwidth is at stake.  Many times peoples egos have an urgent need to "crack the case" they can't help themselves. The crazier and kookier the theory..the better.  I can't play that game.  Show me a theory that has been researched, has facts as it's structure and research to help prove the theory...I'm there!


^5, nancy.


Title: Re: The Big Picture
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
Link from Michelle Malkin's article, "Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome," at her site. Nice overview of all the sociological aspects of the case.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002712.htm

-MC


You are kidding, right? Have you read her entire post? She really does not think this story is news worthy.


like I said she is an idiot, she also wrote an entire book which included that the internment of the Japanese was the RIGHT thing to do, no matter who they were.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Professor on June 22, 2005, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Me too.


Not me.

I figured as long as we were voting I'd see if there was anybody left on the message board who wasn't still looking for two black security guards, Columbian sex-taffickers, or space aliens.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 09:43:37 PM
Do we _know_ that the stories the 3 are telling are different now than from the beginning - or is that strictly from rumour and msm? Can someone help on that score?

It seems like the boys owned up to being with her at the beginning (when the Holloway's appreared at the VDS house) and they said they dropped her off. As I try to think this through, every report of changing tales or lighthouse vs asleep on beach vs ... comes from tv soundbites. And MSNBC is reporting that the Chief of Police said Joran has not changed his story.

Just trying to keep "facts" clear in my head.

And Shellbell - good luck on the GB! Had a friend go through the same - once it was out, it was all just fine. So do you have a laptop to keep you tuned in during the tests? (adding a good luck to Nikibnurse today on her health as well).


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 22, 2005, 09:43:41 PM
I had posted a while back and have been searching the web since then but thought someone in here might have better luck than I have.  About a week ago the Carlos N Charlies site had a different website.  They also had pictures posted and they were all dated for the day they were taken.  They apparently have a new website - is there anyway the old website might still be out there??  I know there is cached stuff but wasnt sure how it would work if they actually have a new one with the same URL.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
Actually Red, the site I gave you (the subscription one), has a forum where all the industry insiders post.  ABC, NBC, and CBS think Fox is nuts :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Scott Peterson was another guy who could not keep his stories straight even before we knew about Amber Frey.  He also acted the opposite of a suffering husband and showed a strange lack of emotion considering his pregnant wife was missing 2 days before Christmas.  Reminds me of the VDS kid.


That is wrong on a bunch of levels, scott was on TV and interveiwed etc.

You have seen JVDS walk to a car with handcuffs on. You have never even heard him speak.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


No, I'm not missing the point. I'm not worried about an answer for me, I'm more concerned that Ms Holloway's mother gets the truth:  from both sides faster than it has occurred to date.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 09:46:17 PM
probably aliens proffesor you will see her probabaly in the next startrek .


Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Me too.


Not me.

I figured as long as we were voting I'd see if there was anybody left on the message board who wasn't still looking for two black security guards, Columbian sex-taffickers, or space aliens.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::loggin on and falling down from the loft:::::


Anyone ever find it odd, the since Natalee's mom truly believes she is alive, that she hasn't made a message on TV to her or those who might have her since she believes she is on the island?

Just something that came to me. Usually we see moms doing that along with trying to search.


She's doing it in person though.


They can't see it if it is on fox.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Do we _know_ that the stories the 3 are telling are different now than from the beginning - or is that strictly from rumour and msm? Can someone help on that score?

It seems like the boys owned up to being with her at the beginning (when the Holloway's appreared at the VDS house) and they said they dropped her off. As I try to think this through, every report of changing tales or lighthouse vs asleep on beach vs ... comes from tv soundbites. And MSNBC is reporting that the Chief of Police said Joran has not changed his story.

Just trying to keep "facts" clear in my head.

And Shellbell - good luck on the GB! Had a friend go through the same - once it was out, it was all just fine. So do you have a laptop to keep you tuned in during the tests? (adding a good luck to Nikibnurse today on her health as well).


Since we can't know anything, storying changes I guess are a mystery. We can only have the first version, perhaps because they weren't suspects when questioned.

Really don't know anymore. I expect another story change report tomorrow morning  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 22, 2005, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.



Yea but we don't know what is going on behind the closed doors. The Police won't tell "anything" so why do you think these boys are innocent? I doubt the police would even say if these boys did confess.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 09:48:16 PM
I wonder if todays joint session was to tie up a few items before they take them back to the judge.  They may be close to presenting the case.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Could the delay for the Texas group be this.

Aruba does not want Americans finding the body.

They think they are close and want to find it for many reasons without outside help.  So they put the team off two days.


I saw an interview with Tim Miller, K, and he stated it is doubtful they (TES) will find her body but that they are willing to try. That was sad...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: "Twelve Monkeys"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.



Yea but we don't know what is going on behind the closed doors. The Police won't tell "anything" so why do you think these boys are innocent? I doubt the police would even say if these boys did confess.


True.  And one also can wonder who else she met before she introduced herself to Joran Van der Sloot.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: "maggie fff"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"

Because I was a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum.  I know how important discussion and debate is to finding truth!  It's the basic premise in free speech...throw all kinds of BS around and sooner or later TRUTH floats to the top! However, my time is very valuable...and cheesecake-way-off-target discussions frankly bore me...especially when valuable bandwidth is at stake.  Many times peoples egos have an urgent need to "crack the case" they can't help themselves. The crazier and kookier the theory..the better.  I can't play that game.  Show me a theory that has been researched, has facts as it's structure and research to help prove the theory...I'm there!


^5, nancy.


well nancy maybe you should start a site where bozos are not welcome.   some of these bozos are pretty astute.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Professor on June 22, 2005, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "coco"
Do we _know_ that the stories the 3 are telling are different now than from the beginning - or is that strictly from rumour and msm? Can someone help on that score?

It seems like the boys owned up to being with her at the beginning (when the Holloway's appreared at the VDS house) and they said they dropped her off. As I try to think this through, every report of changing tales or lighthouse vs asleep on beach vs ... comes from tv soundbites. And MSNBC is reporting that the Chief of Police said Joran has not changed his story.

Just trying to keep "facts" clear in my head.

And Shellbell - good luck on the GB! Had a friend go through the same - once it was out, it was all just fine. So do you have a laptop to keep you tuned in during the tests? (adding a good luck to Nikibnurse today on her health as well).


Since we can't know anything, storying changes I guess are a mystery. We can only have the first version, perhaps because they weren't suspects when questioned.

Really don't know anymore. I expect another story change report tomorrow morning  :wink:


Life is a mystery. This case isn't.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
I had posted a while back and have been searching the web since then but thought someone in here might have better luck than I have.  About a week ago the Carlos N Charlies site had a different website.  They also had pictures posted and they were all dated for the day they were taken.  They apparently have a new website - is there anyway the old website might still be out there??  I know there is cached stuff but wasnt sure how it would work if they actually have a new one with the same URL.

I checked that right after the site went down. Cached version will not show pics for some reason.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Me too.


Not me.

I figured as long as we were voting I'd see if there was anybody left on the message board who wasn't still looking for two black security guards, Columbian sex-taffickers, or space aliens.


I'm sticking to my original theory.  Gang/Date rape drug/OD/Dispose of the body.  All 3 are in on it, and others know about it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.
If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


I believe what Deepak told the security guard....they truly thought she would show up safe and sound a few days later.

I personally believe that they made up the story so that Joran didn't have to tell anyone they had sex....to protect him and her.  Remember he was being confronted by Nat's mom very first night afterwards.  I think it's natural a guy wouldn't want to tell the mom....so he made up the next best thing about dropping her off.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 09:50:31 PM
I agree with "COCO" we have only been told the Story from the MSMedia. I dont know about you, but I haven't forgotten the Rather-Gate issue. Until we Hear form the Local Arubaian Authorities (Prosecutor) anything we hear is CONJECTURE at this point....I just find it hard to belive that an 17 year old kid could Hold up to a strenuoous Interogation for 2 weeks now..I don't think I could, do you ? Honest....question,,,honest answer..

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::loggin on and falling down from the loft:::::


Anyone ever find it odd, the since Natalee's mom truly believes she is alive, that she hasn't made a message on TV to her or those who might have her since she believes she is on the island?

Just something that came to me. Usually we see moms doing that along with trying to search.


She's doing it in person though.


They can't see it if it is on fox.


Yeah absolt...good point as always lol I forgot it's international  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 09:51:45 PM
Quote from: "ExTexinAZ"
Hi, all SM's!  I'm finally ready to stop lurking and join in.  I feel like I know you all already.  I've been reading for 3 days now and haven't done a thing around the house.  I was afraid I was a troll at first because I was lurking and wasn't registered!   :(
Hi especially to all my Texas buddies on line here.  I miss the Lone Star State!
I'm just a parent of 3 boys, one who is 17, and I'm just as concerned as the rest of you about NH's disappearance.  It scares me to think that boys could so something like this.  I'm so hoping the newest theory that some of you have about the other security guards being involved is true.  I prefer to think she's been taken "elsewhere" than at the bottom of the ocean.
Welcome to all the other "newcomers" here.  Hopefully we won't all make too many mistakes!


Late greetings to you, ExTex!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:52:30 PM
However, my time is very valuable...and cheesecake-way-off-target discussions frankly bore me...especially when valuable bandwidth is at stake.

Well, when you have dialup, all bandwidth is "valuable". :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 09:52:31 PM
Well, if they did confess , they would have cracked this case many days ago, and with all the pressure on them they would certainly have made an announcement of it. And steve croes guy is in jail for drugs pushing I am convinced of it .

Quote from: "Twelve Monkeys"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.



Yea but we don't know what is going on behind the closed doors. The Police won't tell "anything" so why do you think these boys are innocent? I doubt the police would even say if these boys did confess.
Quote


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


No, I'm not missing the point. I'm not worried about an answer for me, I'm more concerned that Ms Holloway's mother gets the truth:  from both sides faster than it has occurred to date.


ok are you a politician?
Let me break it down for you my friend.
Lets just say one of the kids that were with her confess, yes Natalie was taking ecstacy and drinking heavily.
Will that confession lead us to finding Natalie?
No. It may shed some light into her state of mind at the time she left with Joran but it will not find Natalie.
Once again, the answer lies with the 3 in custody.
They may be totally innocent.
They may be guilty of negligence leaving a comatose woman on the beach.
Hell maybe they gang raped her and killed her I don't know.
Obviously the Aruban authorities believe they know something there not telling or they would have let them go.
Discussing wether or not the kids that were with her are witholding some valuable information, when it doesn't really matter, makes no sense.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: hope on June 22, 2005, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "bendex"
Every day I am more convinced that the three suspects are innocent.

Interogation techniques are very during. They break you down and build you up .
I think they have nothing to confess. They left her at the beach . point.

If they have not confessed untill now for commiting a crime. I bow in deep respect for these guys being such diehards.

only what I want to know when where they aware for the first time that she was missing and why make up a story.

If would asume that the case would have been cracked by know with a confession.


Me too.


Not me.

I figured as long as we were voting I'd see if there was anybody left on the message board who wasn't still looking for two black security guards, Columbian sex-taffickers, or space aliens.


I'm sticking to my original theory.  Gang/Date rape drug/OD/Dispose of the body.  All 3 are in on it, and others know about it.


I'm there with you - Da Wench


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2005, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: "xcptnl"
I had posted a while back and have been searching the web since then but thought someone in here might have better luck than I have.  About a week ago the Carlos N Charlies site had a different website.  They also had pictures posted and they were all dated for the day they were taken.  They apparently have a new website - is there anyway the old website might still be out there??  I know there is cached stuff but wasnt sure how it would work if they actually have a new one with the same URL.

The old site had pictures through May 22.  They took the whole site down before posting any more pictures as far as I know.  Now it's back up but no pictures.  I couldn't pull anything with pictures from the cached sites.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:55:21 PM
I'm not debating it with you anymore, Perf - you feel the way you do, and I feel the way I do.  So be it.  We see this differently, so let's agree to disagree and go along our merry way, shall we?


Title: security guard?
Post by: Dublin on June 22, 2005, 09:56:58 PM
I still think it is worth looking at the security guard who was supposedly there when she was dropped off:

The add on the Tattoo's for sale web site does have a section on "Crime"
http://www.tattoopartycruises.com/pages/factfigures.html

"Crime  
Aruba remains a relatively small community that has managed to keep its crime to a minimum. While incidents do occur, Aruba still holds the destinction of being one of the safest island in the Caribbean. A recent cooperation between public and private sector has established a type of tourism police that monitors the main tourist areas to provide visibility to tourists (reassurance) and to discourage criminal behavior.
"

So, if I think about this, and dismiss any thread in my head about Joran and the boys and their inconsistent stories, and just focus on this for a minute. My mind says that a tourist, like NH, could be lulled into a sense of security in seeing one of these "security guards" near the hotel.  

I recall a series of articles about security guards in the US and how many of them actually had arrest records and in many cases women were being raped by the security guards businesses had hired to protect the office and it's staff:
1.
Guard arrested in man’s death
Felon illegally working at Walgreens shot shoplifting suspect, police say
By JOHN DIEDRICH
jdiedrich@journalsentinel.com
Posted: April 18, 2005
A convicted felon with a long, violent history who was working illegally as a security guard at Walgreens shot and killed an unarmed man accused of stealing sunglasses Sunday night, prompting a state investigation.


2.
Last December, a 41-year-old man sought a security guard's position at Allied Security Inc. The big contract-security company based in King of Prussia, Pa., hires about 16,000 guards a year to protect shopping malls, hospitals, universities, banks and other clients in 38 states.

The prospect seemed particularly promising because he had held a similar guard job with a rival company and lived in Philadelphia for four years. He showed up well-dressed and on time for his job interview. Most important, he twice swore in writing -- and again face-to-face -- that he had never been convicted of a criminal offense.

Allied Security hoped to assign the man to a local information-technology company. But the candidate was never hired. Carco Research, Allied's background-checking service, discovered that the man formerly lived in Michigan, where he had been convicted of drug dealing, sentenced to prison, then escaped, and was arrested and imprisoned again until his parole in 1996.

3.
http://mediafilter.org/caq/CAQ54p.police.html

An old Ethiopian Cultural practice involved abduction of a wife:
"In some regions of Ethiopia, abduction is an old cultural practice used to take a girl as wife by force. Typically, the girl is abducted by a group of young men. She is then raped by the man who wants to marry her, who may be someone she knows or may be a total stranger. The elders from the man's village then apologize to the family of the girl and ask them to agree to the marriage. The family often consents because a girl who has lost her virginity would be socially unacceptable for marriage to another man. Sometimes the abductor keeps the girl in a hiding place until she is pregnant, at which time her family feels it has no option but to agree to the marriage."

http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_2202_en.html

I suggest that perhaps .. just perhaps.. there could have been a security guard, who may have been of Ethiopian culture, or perhaps a Rasta who have an "Afro-Centric" culture and may imitate old cultures from pre-colonized societies in Africa.  

Could this individual have abducted her and have her held somewhere on the island as per the perceived cultural tradition would call for?  

Isn't that similar to the Elizabeth Smart abduction, and was that guy a rastafarian?  Didn't he abduct ES to make her his wife?  

It is a fairly regular practice in the Sudan as well, neighbors of Ethiopia. I am still looking for studies on the population of Aruba to determine the % of population that could be rasta or Ethiopian...



Special Groups and Slavery in Sudan

Nina Shea, U.S. Delegation
Remarks to the 57th Session of the UN Commission on Human Rights
Geneva, Switzerland
April 11, 2001
 

Mr. Chairman:

My name is Nina Shea and I am a public member of the U.S. delegation, appointed by President George W. Bush. Our topic today -- special groups and individuals -- covers many issues of importance to the people and the government of the United States. Among these are the rights of ethnic and religious minorities, migrant workers, displaced persons, and contemporary forms of slavery. Each of these topics is worthy of discussion in its own right. I have spent most of my adult life working on them, and so I am honored to have the chance to address this forum on matters that are of great personal and professional interest to me.

The drafters of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights believed that moral suasion, publicly exercised, could be a potent force for change. Since that time, reason, reporting, and dialogue have been the primary tools the Commission on Human Rights has used to spotlight the great moral, social and political issues of the day.

There is a great moral issue facing this Commission, Mr. Chairman, the systematic violation in Sudan of a long-standing, widely-recognized human rights norm. I am speaking of chattel slavery, and the way it is practiced in Sudan against women and children from racial, ethnic, and religious minorities.

Let us be absolutely clear: there is a major difference between the word "abduction" and the word "slavery." Abducting people means taking them away against their will. It implies nothing about what happens to them afterwards. Making slaves of people has everything to do with what happens to them afterwards. To be sure, both abductions and slavery do take place in Sudan. But there is slavery in Sudan, and this Commission must call it what it is -- slavery.

For the Commission to speak of abductions, therefore, and say nothing about slavery, as this year's resolution does, is to condemn the lesser violation and ignore the graver one completely. This is an abdication of the fundamental responsibility of this Commission to defend the universal human rights of every human being to life, liberty, and the security of person.

My government has made many interventions on slavery in Sudan in recent years, and our annual Country Reports on Human Rights Situations have repeatedly documented this abhorrent practice. But that is hardly all. In her December 1999 report, High Commissioner Robinson stated that Sudan was a country "where traditional slavery persists."

For the past 7 years, this Commission has had before it the annual reports of the UN Special Rapporteurs on Sudan. Each makes reference to slave-raids, details the treatment slaves endure, and emphasizes the Sudanese government's failure to put an end to this violence.

In the 1994 report, for example, the Special Rapporteur described how Dinka women and children were abducted by the government's Popular Defense Forces, the PDF, the Mujahedin and army units and then sold into slavery to northern Sudanese and persons from abroad.

The following year, the Special Rapporteur stated unequivocally that "the phenomena of slavery and practices assimilated to slavery… do exist in the Sudan." That report also noted the "total lack of interest shown so far by the competent Sudanese authorities with regard to investigating the cases brought to their knowledge over the past several years."

In 1996, the Special Rapporteur identified a pattern that "indicates a deliberate policy on the part of the government to ignore or even condone this practice of slavery." It goes on to state: "In most of the cases brought to the attention of the government of the Sudan, the reported perpetrators belong to the Sudanese army and the Popular Defense Forces, which are under the control of the government of the Sudan. Even in the cases involving members of different tribal militias, the slavery occurred within the context of the war and there are the same perpetrators and victims." He noted that women captured as "war booty" are in some cases subjected to "sexual slavery."

The 1999 report found: "There is enough consistent and credible information to ascertain the existence of slavery patterns in the Sudan." This same report also detailed the regime's arrangement with local militias and units of the Popular Defense Forces that escort the government's military supply train south toward the town of Wau. In return for their cooperation, he states, "the militia are allowed to carry out raids on neighboring villages and to keep the proceeds of looting as payment. The raids are very violent and the militia and PDF perpetrate killings, rape, and abductions of women and children. The women and children thus kidnapped are held until payment of ransom or are kept in conditions amounting to slavery." He also reported on forcible religious conversion.

He also described the "harsh" conditions for the victims, with "abuse, torture, rape and, at times, killing being the norm." They are "forced to herd cattle, work in the fields, fetch water, dig wells, do housework and perform sexual favors." Further, he stated, "the government is not taking measures to prevent or sanction the raids against civilian populations."
http://www.rastafarian.net/Sudan%20slavery.htm


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: xcptnl on June 22, 2005, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "xcptnl"
I had posted a while back and have been searching the web since then but thought someone in here might have better luck than I have.  About a week ago the Carlos N Charlies site had a different website.  They also had pictures posted and they were all dated for the day they were taken.  They apparently have a new website - is there anyway the old website might still be out there??  I know there is cached stuff but wasnt sure how it would work if they actually have a new one with the same URL.

The old site had pictures through May 22.  They took the whole site down before posting any more pictures as far as I know.  Now it's back up but no pictures.  I couldn't pull anything with pictures from the cached sites.


Caligirl wrote: I checked that right after the site went down. Cached version will not show pics for some reason.

Thanks to both of you - that stinks.  I knew when I had looked at it the pictures were from about a week earlier and I kept hoping that someone might just post pids from the day we all want to see.  Most likley they were taken by the police.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


No, I'm not missing the point. I'm not worried about an answer for me, I'm more concerned that Ms Holloway's mother gets the truth:  from both sides faster than it has occurred to date.


ok are you a politician?
Let me break it down for you my friend.
Lets just say one of the kids that were with her confess, yes Natalie was taking ecstacy and drinking heavily.
Will that confession lead us to finding Natalie?
No. It may shed some light into her state of mind at the time she left with Joran but it will not find Natalie.
Once again, the answer lies with the 3 in custody.
They may be totally innocent.
They may be guilty of negligence leaving a comatose woman on the beach.
Hell maybe they gang raped her and killed her I don't know.
Obviously the Aruban authorities believe they know something there not telling or they would have let them go.
Discussing wether or not the kids that were with her are witholding some valuable information, when it doesn't really matter, makes no sense.


If authorities could say with certainty to the suspects look we know what happen and you didn't do this. You only covered it up they may get to the answer much faster.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I'm not debating it with you anymore, Perf - you feel the way you do, and I feel the way I do.  So be it.  We see this differently, so let's agree to disagree and go along our merry way, shall we?


My logic is perfect.  :D
You can't deny it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heartache on June 22, 2005, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Perforator ... Great Posting. Totally agree. The only time this is going to matter is in  the courtroom... to establish intent.  It is entirely possible that even IF a twosome , threesome or foursome occured on the beach it could have been consensual. It is entirely possible that NH WAS left on the beach asleep. It is entirely possible that someone other than Baby VDS and the Bros.  did something with her. Don't tell me that everyone in Aruba is tucked in tight by 12:00 a.m.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 09:58:43 PM
Update on Cannity and the guy with glasses and funky hairstyle

The family searchers are going to pinpoint a pond near the VDS house. It's obviously a dump site. Appliances , even a little truck in there??
Also talked about an area where an odor has been detected but I missed most of that.
THe search guy said that if Natalee was in the pond the dogs could sinff her out. Did ayone else get further details? I was kid of busy and not listening well.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 09:59:03 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I'm not debating it with you anymore, Perf - you feel the way you do, and I feel the way I do.  So be it.  We see this differently, so let's agree to disagree and go along our merry way, shall we?


My logic is perfect.  :D
You can't deny it.


LOl your logic is perfect, Perf.  You might want to take a class in negotiations though - it's easier to get something if you have something to offer....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 22, 2005, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


No, I'm not missing the point. I'm not worried about an answer for me, I'm more concerned that Ms Holloway's mother gets the truth:  from both sides faster than it has occurred to date.


ok are you a politician?
Let me break it down for you my friend.
Lets just say one of the kids that were with her confess, yes Natalie was taking ecstacy and drinking heavily.
Will that confession lead us to finding Natalie?
No. It may shed some light into her state of mind at the time she left with Joran but it will not find Natalie.
Once again, the answer lies with the 3 in custody.
They may be totally innocent.
They may be guilty of negligence leaving a comatose woman on the beach.
Hell maybe they gang raped her and killed her I don't know.
Obviously the Aruban authorities believe they know something there not telling or they would have let them go.
Discussing wether or not the kids that were with her are witholding some valuable information, when it doesn't really matter, makes no sense.


You're making sense to me, perforator.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Charmz on June 22, 2005, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I agree with "COCO" we have only been told the Story from the MSMedia. I dont know about you, but I haven't forgotten the Rather-Gate issue. Until we Hear form the Local Arubaian Authorities (Prosecutor) anything we hear is CONJECTURE at this point....I just find it hard to belive that an 17 year old kid could Hold up to a strenuoous Interogation for 2 weeks now..I don't think I could, do you ? Honest....question,,,honest answer..

GuyWdog


I just wonder, really, how strenuous the interrogaton really is.

Interegator:  So where did you leave her?

JVS:  On the beach.

Interegator:  Well, okay, but are you sure....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mitzid66 on June 22, 2005, 09:59:54 PM
Even though everyone does not always agree here, I would like to thank all of you for such excellent theories and information.  The relaying of info on the current tv shows is also excellent.  I find more up to the minute info here than I can surfing through the news channels.

Keep up the good work!!!

Now to what I will proably take a beating for....

Would you folks give your opinions of how you feel that Arubans are doing on this case.  Are they forthright and honest?  Or protecting thier own?

I know this has been discussed earlier, however, we are now way into this investigation, nd I am curious as to how you feel now.  

Also, IF they are not handling this as well as they should, what do we as tourists in regards to traveling to Aruba in the future.  

please be kind.  I am only asking for opinions.  

Thank you and have a good night


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:00:31 PM
Hannity and Comes; NH's father says he expects another 8-9 arrests....main one being PVDS.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "maggie fff"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"

Because I was a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum.  I know how important discussion and debate is to finding truth!  It's the basic premise in free speech...throw all kinds of BS around and sooner or later TRUTH floats to the top! However, my time is very valuable...and cheesecake-way-off-target discussions frankly bore me...especially when valuable bandwidth is at stake.  Many times peoples egos have an urgent need to "crack the case" they can't help themselves. The crazier and kookier the theory..the better.  I can't play that game.  Show me a theory that has been researched, has facts as it's structure and research to help prove the theory...I'm there!


^5, nancy.


well nancy maybe you should start a site where bozos are not welcome.   some of these bozos are pretty astute.


No, I rather enjoy this site.  Let me be straight, I do not equate bozo with newbie.  In fact, I do believe many times fresh eyes, newbies and the like can come up with amazing stuff.  I adore when that happens.  BUT, I'll say it again....attacks on individuals with no factual basis is wrong IMO, taking off on tangents that are meant to dazzle and not solve the case are so unnecessary...

I've noticed many new voices pop in with very good thoughts...refreshing actually...but, they are many times run over by the "regulars".

And, I might add I have enjoyed much of what you have brought to the forum.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 10:00:57 PM
I feel sick.  Watching H&C about the pond and dump near Joran's house where the dogs will be searching.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:00:58 PM
If that was these case we would have seen some really nice and heavy police actions on t.v. With lots of public relations. At least to give some hints. And with the FBI around surely some valuable information would have been leaked by know in the u.s. If not only to build up some  diplomatical pressures
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "RB"
I think so. I don't think that interogatting the students that were with her about wether or not she was drunk is the correct aproach. She was last seen with the 3 in custody. They know what happened after they left. The students do not. If it was a case of accidental overdose or a drunk related accident the students still could not answer. Only the 3 they have in custody. See my point?

If she combined medications or perhaps some x, it surely is something those friends closest to her would know.  Girls talk, Perf.  A lot.  or didn't you know? :)


Yes but your missing the point. How is that going to find out what happened to her? Even if her friends said she took ecstacy and was drinking like a fish will that give us the answer we are all looking for?
The answer lies with the 3 in custody.


No, I'm not missing the point. I'm not worried about an answer for me, I'm more concerned that Ms Holloway's mother gets the truth:  from both sides faster than it has occurred to date.


ok are you a politician?
Let me break it down for you my friend.
Lets just say one of the kids that were with her confess, yes Natalie was taking ecstacy and drinking heavily.
Will that confession lead us to finding Natalie?
No. It may shed some light into her state of mind at the time she left with Joran but it will not find Natalie.
Once again, the answer lies with the 3 in custody.
They may be totally innocent.
They may be guilty of negligence leaving a comatose woman on the beach.
Hell maybe they gang raped her and killed her I don't know.
Obviously the Aruban authorities believe they know something there not telling or they would have let them go.
Discussing wether or not the kids that were with her are witholding some valuable information, when it doesn't really matter, makes no sense.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: da wench on June 22, 2005, 10:02:47 PM
Greta's on...gotta go.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:03:49 PM
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 10:04:07 PM
I can't believe they would be stupid enough to dump the body in the back yard.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:04:12 PM
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:04:48 PM
this is so sad...poor mom

and if the dad is involved, he should have his...

nevermind


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Greta's on...gotta go.


I am just heart broken for Joran's mother! :cry:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:05:06 PM
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
this is so sad...poor mom

and if the dad is involved, he should have his...

nevermind


:::almost finished the sentence for kerin....:# <--lips zipped


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
this is so sad...poor mom

and if the dad is involved, he should have his...


balls cut off


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:06:10 PM
PVDS leaving interview for cell phone ringing, after sweat rolling down his face.....very skeevy!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D



OMG! That is my favorite song of ALL times!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:06:33 PM
go for it, RB. I will get the knife sharpened.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:06:58 PM
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
go for it, RB. I will get the knife sharpened.


Man, if PVDS is involved he has destroyed that woman.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D



OMG! That is my favorite song of ALL times!


lol ::pulling littletxlady in to skip and sing along::::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


it was a Shirley Temple or Roy Rogers, Absolut  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: hope on June 22, 2005, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


And the father seems to be a "deaf mute"- not to be mean to people that are........... what's up with that


Title: Malkin etc
Post by: martin connahey on June 22, 2005, 10:08:28 PM
KackyLacky, Perforator, and Red:

RED:Yes, MM's post contains some points that I don't agree with, but also many others that are enlightening, from numerous sources. Also has lots of links to other sites that discuss case. We aren't the only game in town.

Kacky:
If you've read the book, I'll accept that opinion as an informed one. I've read it, I've lived in Japan ( long-term ), studied the topic widely, and realize she has a point. But, let's all remember that FDR was the architect of the Jap internment, ag the (nearly) sole dissent of a young Barry Goldwater.

Perforator:
There could be TONS of valuable info in what the MBHS kiddies know. It goes to her intentions, state-of-mind, etc. Definitely COULD help in finding her. Suppose nh confided in a classmate that she had a secret dream to go caving, or was pregnant, or was heavily into one or another drug. This would be predictive of her movements, conversations, malleability, and turn the search to some more specific locations, suspects, and theories. ALL info in a situ like this is good, mainly because we don't know its value until it has aged a bit. To cut off a productive avenue is silly and senseless, unless of course one is not interested in finding the missing person.

--MC


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


And the father seems to be a "deaf mute"- not to be mean to people that are........... what's up with that


I never knew someone who knew the law who didn't talk...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: hope on June 22, 2005, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


And the father seems to be a "deaf mute"- not to be mean to people that are........... what's up with that


oops- looks like he might talk after all


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Hagie9 on June 22, 2005, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "da wench"
Greta's on...gotta go.


I am just heart broken for Joran's mother! :cry:


I am too. I desperately want the truth to come out and for Natalie to be found but I feel so deeply for the parents of each of the kids involved.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 10:09:34 PM
Dublin - are you honestly trying to argue that Rastas took Natalee? and that Rastas approve of what is happening in the Sudan? "afro-centric"?

This is the most outrageous thing I've seen here yet - and amazingly racist.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: a Troll on June 22, 2005, 10:10:27 PM
Greta asked about drugs and alcohol, and the mother was adament that he did not do drugs.   She did not address the alcohol issue.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:10:27 PM
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!


I'm trying to find online transcript for you, and watch Greta same time.
Human rights guy said new prison almost completed; they will be transfered there, but old one is no way like midnight express. My mouth fell open.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 10:10:41 PM
Oh my gosh I about cried watching her.   Bless her heart.  All the parents in this need our prayers.  Esp. Nats.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D


lol. My kids and I were just singing that the other day!!!!!


Title: Re: Malkin etc
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
KackyLacky, Perforator, and Red:

RED:Yes, MM's post contains some points that I don't agree with, but also many others that are enlightening, from numerous sources. Also has lots of links to other sites that discuss case. We aren't the only game in town.

Kacky:
If you've read the book, I'll accept that opinion as an informed one. I've read it, I've lived in Japan ( long-term ), studied the topic widely, and realize she has a point. But, let's all remember that FDR was the architect of the Jap internment, ag the (nearly) sole dissent of a young Barry Goldwater.

Perforator:
There could be TONS of valuable info in what the MBHS kiddies know. It goes to her intentions, state-of-mind, etc. Definitely COULD help in finding her. Suppose nh confided in a classmate that she had a secret dream to go caving, or was pregnant, or was heavily into one or another drug. This would be predictive of her movements, conversations, malleability, and turn the search to some more specific locations, suspects, and theories. ALL info in a situ like this is good, mainly because we don't know its value until it has aged a bit. To cut off a productive avenue is silly and senseless, unless of course one is not interested in finding the missing person.

--MC


Great post.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:11:21 PM
I hope daddy VDS has a towel or something...he may need it


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 22, 2005, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


she never mentioned drinking...she mentioned drugs and smoking


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
go for it, RB. I will get the knife sharpened.


::singing to Areosmith's janie's got a gun:::

Kerin's got knife................the whole forum comes undone...Paulus van der sloot is on the run....
lol

Sorry I think work and thinking too hard on here..has friend my brain again!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
I feel sick.  Watching H&C about the pond and dump near Joran's house where the dogs will be searching.


Me too, I want to cry for her and her Dad even having to fathom her being in such a place :(  :cry:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:12:45 PM
ROFLMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:12:46 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:12:48 PM
this really  happend in a court of law in texas

Lawyer : Sir we you examined the body where you sure he was death

Pathologist : Yes

Lawyer : How did you know that ?

Pathologist : I was holding his brains in my hands

Lawyer : if their was the slightest possibilty he was alive what would he be doing right now

Pathologist : (sigh) he probably would be a lawyer in this state.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!


I'm trying to find online transcript for you, and watch Greta same time.
Human rights guy said new prison almost completed; they will be transfered there, but old one is no way like midnight express. My mouth fell open.


Does it have air? lol Just trying to at least envision that it must better hotter than hades in that prison with no air. Not that they deserve air but sheesh..it's hot there isn't it?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Oh my gosh I about cried watching her.   Bless her heart.  All the parents in this need our prayers.  Esp. Nats.


Yes, I truly feel sorry for her.  No matter what he has done or hasn't done, that is her little boy.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 10:13:38 PM
From what I know Hard Liquor is the Only Alhohol that is deemed unavailable to minors on Aruba. Beer and Wine are LEGAL for Minors to drink. I could be wrong but I read this somewhere..maybe our Aruba people can confirm this...

GuyWdog


Title: Beth Twitty
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:14:04 PM
How much clearer can she be when she says "I want my daughter NOW"
She knows that "something bad happened" to Natalee and she knows that the 3 men in the car know exactly what happened and where.  She is caught up in a nightmare of changing stories, an archaic justice system that anyone with money, connections or a brain can circumvent,  the colonial racist class structure, a sexist mentality that blames the female victim and a country whose collective ego must be stroked.  With all this lunacy around her, she still is the sharpest thinker and the most effective doer and is the class act of this sorry situation.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?



Fox News, H&C or O'Reilly, I cant recall what one. A Int'l lawyer has a client in KIA, and said it is more comfy than any prison in the US, it is brand new and state of the art, it is connected to an old part though.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:14:47 PM
momma asking good questions...wants to know why Joran and the others were not held immediately! why were they let go?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: pinemeadows on June 22, 2005, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl - So they have two prisons? Hmm...thanks![/quote


The new one is joined to the old one.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 10:15:52 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D


lol. My kids and I were just singing that the other day!!!!!


LOL! I'm an ole hippie from waaaay back. Still have the rose colored glass, love beads, a few flower petals oh and lets not forget the ever present PEACE SIGN.... :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:16:30 PM
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:16:48 PM
wow...she is wearing a Hope For Natalee bracelet

and they ASKED to talk to Beth and police said no.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 22, 2005, 10:16:51 PM
Perhaps PVDS, the dad, is not allowed to say anything - by court order or the Dutch equivalent?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:16:54 PM
The mom is really in denial of who her kid is.

Here is the tacky comment but if the prison has air and his house doesn't JVDS may be more comfortable in jail.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!


I'm trying to find online transcript for you, and watch Greta same time.
Human rights guy said new prison almost completed; they will be transfered there, but old one is no way like midnight express. My mouth fell open.


Does it have air? lol Just trying to at least envision that it must better hotter than hades in that prison with no air. Not that they deserve air but sheesh..it's hot there isn't it?


You're not going to like this.....right after I picked my bottom jaw up off the floor and smacked my fiance for giggling that the info I had just given him regarding the place being like Midnight Express.......then the guy says the prisons are modeled after Netherlands?something....even get tea breaks. I couldn't hear all of this because my fiance then fell on the floor laughing hysterically.....rrrrrr


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


Are you so thin skinned that if anyone questions you, you can't handle it?  I have NO idea what forum you're talking about.  I'm heading back to the case...I suggest you do the same!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: littletxlady on June 22, 2005, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


She didn't mean it like THAT!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 10:17:28 PM
Quote
Would you folks give your opinions of how you feel that Arubans are doing on this case


I will be really obnoxious and quote what I posted this morning on this topic.

Quote
It is my impression that the people of Aruba have bent over backwards to be culturally sensitive, but I also think, as a public relations gesture, that the Aruba Polis should hold a American-style joint press conference with the FBI, meaning a dozen or so officials with impressive-sounding titles, and each one should make a statement to the effect that they are doing everything possible to find Natalee and thank the various other agencies, introduce the next guy, who makes a similar statement, thanks some other people, thanks the next guy, and so on down the line, FBI included. Then they should announce that they will take questions from the media and to 99% of the questions acknowledge that everyone is eager to learn all they can, and thank the public for their understanding that they cannot comment on that particular issue at this time.

This is what Americans are used to, I mean no disrespect, but I think that such an event would go a long way toward calming some of the upset feelings on the part of many. There is an old saying, that it is not so much what you say as how you say it, and Americans have refined the art of saying " the sky does indeed appear to be blue to some very knowledgeable people, but I cannot comment further on these reports at this time" into an art form.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:17:59 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::skipping in circles around the forum throwing flower petals up in the air while singing the youngbloods, get together::::

Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try to love one another Right now.. :::off key:::

 :D


lol. My kids and I were just singing that the other day!!!!!


LOL! I'm an ole hippie from waaaay back. Still have the rose colored glass, love beads, a few flower petals oh and lets not forget the ever present PEACE SIGN.... :wink:


LMAO! That is cool! I always wanted to grow up then. *sigh* things were so different and carefree...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?



Fox News, H&C or O'Reilly, I cant recall what one. A Int'l lawyer has a client in KIA, and said it is more comfy than any prison in the US, it is brand new and state of the art, it is connected to an old part though.


Diva, did you hear about 'tea breaks too?'


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
momma asking good questions...wants to know why Joran and the others were not held immediately! why were they let go?


That was due to tactical reasons


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


She didn't mean it like THAT!


You still don't say that about a missing person...period.  A statement like that only incites others...see.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shellbell on June 22, 2005, 10:19:11 PM
Greta is teasing us.........


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 10:19:19 PM
If the boys left Natalee off at the hotel - and saw her as another of those kids who come from the US and party - and they thought she just ran off or something, they would be upset if they believed she was just hiding or running off or something and leaving them to take the heat.

I think the parents are being very open - maybe they shouldn't be and maybe they will be misunderstood - but they are really something to open up like that - esp being part of a culture that does not live by reality tv, etc.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
this really  happend in a court of law in texas

Lawyer : Sir we you examined the body where you sure he was death

Pathologist : Yes

Lawyer : How did you know that ?

Pathologist : I was holding his brains in my hands

Lawyer : if their was the slightest possibilty he was alive what would he be doing right now

Pathologist : (sigh) he probably would be a lawyer in this state.


That really did happen; you are right. Funny stuff like that always happens in courts and depositions.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


Sweatpea, you were the one who said you were and I quote "a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum"  so I unfortunately naturally assumed by "major player" you helped start it. If it was the very first, what's the name of it? I'm curious since I have been around on the Internet since the age of 9600 baud creep and crawl bulletinboards - there ain't a whole lot I haven't seen.

You offered that information, I didn't ask for it. You've also offered up you write (or did) and I follow true crime and read a lot - I'd like to know if I've read your stuff, that's all. If you don't want anyone to ask questions, don't offer up such easy targets to ask about.

I'm not solving any case (nor do I exect to), I'm merely discussing the possibilities.  None of us here will do that, you see, because we don't have enough information or fact.  :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?


Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.


So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!


I'm trying to find online transcript for you, and watch Greta same time.
Human rights guy said new prison almost completed; they will be transfered there, but old one is no way like midnight express. My mouth fell open.


Does it have air? lol Just trying to at least envision that it must better hotter than hades in that prison with no air. Not that they deserve air but sheesh..it's hot there isn't it?


You're not going to like this.....right after I picked my bottom jaw up off the floor and smacked my fiance for giggling that the info I had just given him regarding the place being like Midnight Express.......then the guy says the prisons are modeled after Netherlands?something....even get tea breaks. I couldn't hear all of this because my fiance then fell on the floor laughing hysterically.....rrrrrr


I am emailing teh stinking "law" man's website and correcting him.. along with others! lol  :wink:


Title: Re: Beth Twitty
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 10:19:53 PM
Leslie Sprenger  -- Good post!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:20:12 PM
ok...don't bash me...

BUT did it seem like daddy VDS has a harder time with English than Mom? and maybe that's why he doesn't say a lot? (not saying anything here about guilt or innocense)

And IMO, MOMMA WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT HOUSE


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


Are you so thin skinned that if anyone questions you, you can't handle it?  I have NO idea what forum you're talking about.  I'm heading back to the case...I suggest you do the same!


No I think my skin has stood the test of how thick it is. What was the name of that forum you were a major player in? I put my work right in my sig line. I am not hiding behind a fictional character on the internet.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:21:06 PM
Good tactics - the car has been cleaned up, the boys had days to get their stories straight, etc. Don't believe everything you hear.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: golden on June 22, 2005, 10:21:08 PM
I just got in and am trying to catch up on the posts.  Watching Greta.  This is breaking my heart.  As a parent I have compassion for all the parents involved.  Just like Natalee could be anyones daughter, those boys/men could be anyones son.  Jorans mother is very compelling.  JMHO



Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


She didn't mean it like THAT!


You still don't say that about a missing person...period.  A statement like that only incites others...see.


Well, she would have to be alive to have her butt kicked.

I don't take offense to it. Hints towards her being alive. Only darn thing that has ever been said to lead to that.

Then again, I read too much into things  :lol:


Title: Prison A/C
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 10:22:11 PM
Who needs air conditioning when you have windmills outside each window?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
momma asking good questions...wants to know why Joran and the others were not held immediately! why were they let go?


That was due to tactical reasons


Yes, I know. I am saying it was strange to hear his mom say that he should have been held.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 22, 2005, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
I know this post will shock you all:

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.


I think that his mom was answering the "does he do drugs" question, and she started answering and either ignored or didn't hear the "does he drink" part.  Mrs. VDS said that he told her he would not smoke or do drugs because he was into sports.  I don't think she was saying no to alcohol - she either didn't hear, or it was a side-step.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


Sweatpea, you were the one who said you were and I quote "a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum"  so I unfortunately naturally assumed by "major player" you helped start it. If it was the very first, what's the name of it? I'm curious since I have been around on the Internet since the age of 9600 baud creep and crawl bulletinboards - there ain't a whole lot I haven't seen.

You offered that information, I didn't ask for it. You've also offered up you write (or did) and I follow true crime and read a lot - I'd like to know if I've read your stuff, that's all. If you don't want anyone to ask questions, don't offer up such easy targets to ask about.

I'm not solving any case (nor do I exect to), I'm merely discussing the possibilities.  None of us here will do that, you see, because we don't have enough information or fact.  :)


I never offered up ANYTHING.  Carry on now RB...you're missing this great interview on Greta....Great stuff.


Title: Re: Prison A/C
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Who needs air conditioning when you have windmills outside each window?


Good point.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:23:11 PM
They said the new prison was attached.  To me that is what I would call and ANNEX.  It is supposedly pretty state of the art.  They called it soft time.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


She didn't mean it like THAT!


I agree. Thank you.
Also regarding interrogation...She also said the interrogation is very strenuous and threatening 10-11 hours. THey call him psychopath, murderer, where did you hide the body, we could beat you up and say it is accident. Interrogated without attorney.


Title: Re: Prison A/C
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Who needs air conditioning when you have windmills outside each window?


LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:24:15 PM
The dad's English is not very good at all.  Part of the problem might be language.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2005, 10:24:42 PM
absolut>==== you got mail...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
The dad's English is not very good at all.  Part of the problem might be language.


exactly, K


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
someone on FOX now saying he doubts she is alive at this point.. OMG it was her dad.. I ran in the room.. YIKES...  also posts and posts ago someone mentioned that his voice sounds like Michael Waltrips.. too lazy to look that up.. and I agree..it does. Something is happening I believe..
and nobody can talk.


That was me (re:Michael waldrip)  but I was referring to Nat's uncle, though her dad may also. (Not that there's anything wrong with that! :) )


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 10:26:14 PM
Ting - I love your post about holding a press conference!

(and is your Ting after that glorious drink?)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:26:39 PM
Does anyone know if Joran or any of these boys have been tested for drugs?

Does anyone know what Natalee's parents do for a living?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:27:17 PM
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
someone on FOX now saying he doubts she is alive at this point.. OMG it was her dad.. I ran in the room.. YIKES...  also posts and posts ago someone mentioned that his voice sounds like Michael Waltrips.. too lazy to look that up.. and I agree..it does. Something is happening I believe..
and nobody can talk.


That was me (re:Michael waldrip)  but I was referring to Nat's uncle, though her dad may also. (Not that there's anything wrong with that! :) )


((((Mike)))) NIce to see ya!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:27:30 PM
OMG!
Greta interview with NH's stepdad.......wow! Revelations!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:28:43 PM
OMG.......No, Greta, no commercial.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:28:50 PM
MAN! Too bad there were no hidden cameras on THAT meeting!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
OMG!
Greta interview with NH's stepdad.......wow! Revelations!


This is a great interview.  Get you timeline out!  Whoa, he's revealing alot.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 10:29:24 PM
Soooo, Joran was willing to talk, but papa sloot told him to shut up?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
MAN! Too bad there were no hidden cameras on THAT meeting!


Wish flies could talk! lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:29:26 PM
Maybe they should tell Joran that 3 of the police are going to give him a few drinks, put him in the back seat of a car and take him out to the beach and see how fast that kid starts confessing!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


Another K,
Isn't that incredible interview with stepfather?????  Wow!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Dallas Also on June 22, 2005, 10:29:36 PM
absolut, check your PM's -


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:29:48 PM
WHAT MOTHER OR WOMAN FOR THAT FACT DOES NOT WHERE THE PANTS IN THE HOUSE

Quote from: "KerinTX"
ok...don't bash me...

BUT did it seem like daddy VDS has a harder time with English than Mom? and maybe that's why he doesn't say a lot? (not saying anything here about guilt or innocense)

And IMO, MOMMA WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT HOUSE


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 10:29:56 PM
Quote
Ting - I love your post about holding a press conference!

(and is your Ting after that glorious drink?)


Thank you! :)

I didn't know there was a drink named Ting!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Maybe they should tell Joran that 3 of the police are going to give him a few drinks, put him in the back seat of a car and take him out to the beach and see how fast that kid starts confessing!


LOL!!!!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 22, 2005, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


are any of you friends with lawyers? this is what I actually think a lawyer would tell his/her kid if in same situation


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote

No I think my skin has stood the test of how thick it is. What was the name of that forum you were a major player in? I put my work right in my sig line. I am not hiding behind a fictional character on the internet.


OMG, does this mean what I think it does? Will tomorrow's Diario entry incriminate Nancy_Drew for abducting Natalee? Does someone already have the unverifiable, untraced chain mail confession/explanation Nancy wrote to The Hardy Boys?  Will RB say, "I told ya so?"

Tune in tomorrow.... :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:30:41 PM
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:31:03 PM
Confrontations continue to the Holiday Inn.  Dad was asked to step outside and "stared down" Beth.  Surname person also constantly telling joran he does not have to say anything.  Wow.

I have a feeling if Joran's mom had not left town that weekend, Nat would be alive and three kids would have futures.


I am not blaming her, just commenting on how strange fate is.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: another monkey on June 22, 2005, 10:31:07 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Oh, shit.  Did you hear what the kids mother said that the kid said?

"I'll kick her butt for all this trouble."


She didn't mean it like THAT!


You still don't say that about a missing person...period.  A statement like that only incites others...see.


But you are talking about comments from a very agitated, scared 17 year old.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:31:15 PM
so here I go again...

Considering Mr VDS' law degree, I do not find it strange that he would tell his son " you do not have to say anything" when the Holloways were questioning him. Any lawyers here? Is that not what YOU would advise your clients? And I know his son is not his client but I am sure his law training "kicked in".


Title: Re: Prison A/C
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Who needs air conditioning when you have windmills outside each window?


LOL


now that's funny

who is Joran covering for..?
is he covering for his father
or is his father covering for him
did Joran have a gambling debt that he paid
using Natalee....
what is going on
I just saw his (Jorans) mom on the interview
saying her sone wanted to do everything he could to help
and when he was in school saying man if she shows up
i'm gonna kick her butt for doin this to me
now thats wierd eh?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
someone on FOX now saying he doubts she is alive at this point.. OMG it was her dad.. I ran in the room.. YIKES...  also posts and posts ago someone mentioned that his voice sounds like Michael Waltrips.. too lazy to look that up.. and I agree..it does. Something is happening I believe..
and nobody can talk.


That was me (re:Michael waldrip)  but I was referring to Nat's uncle, though her dad may also. (Not that there's anything wrong with that! :) )


((((Mike)))) NIce to see ya!
Oh hi, Sweety!  I been e-yrs back!  Didn't see you here!

Just wanted to provide a very important comment! :? I got more, jes you wait! :roll:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Onnimus"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"

No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Are MBHS kids actually rich, or just upper middle class- what defines rich here? Also it's a pretty big assumption to say these kids are spoiled...I know you mean ALL our kids are spoiled these days and I can agree with that, but these MBHS kids don't seem to be any different than other kids to me. I wouldn't call them rich or spoiled just because their unofficial class trip was to Aruba.

Back on-topic, what has Nancy Grace said tonight?

<edited to edit out some typos>


Thanks for you post Omni, I just loooove how some here seem to know everyone in MB, and how spoiled and rich they are  :roll: Whatever....
 

don't know about spoiled but rich they are as many of them have said themselves on the site.  look at the demographcs folks, $100,000 median income, $375,000 median house price (not san francisco but not cheap), lilly white, 60 blacks and 106 hipanics (domestics?) in the whole place of 12,000.  rich yes and sometimes rich and spoiled go together.   note also that less than half the class participated in the trip for various reasons including parental permission and financial issues.


Sorry, but I went to buy an old I mean old cottage that needed to be town down for 400,000 and in MB and was out bid on the house. I should know the area because I am in real estate.  A decent house is 500 to 600,000


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote

No I think my skin has stood the test of how thick it is. What was the name of that forum you were a major player in? I put my work right in my sig line. I am not hiding behind a fictional character on the internet.


OMG, does this mean what I think it does? Will tomorrow's Diario entry incriminate Nancy_Drew for abducting Natalee? Does someone already have the unverifiable, untraced chain mail confession/explanation Nancy wrote to The Hardy Boys?  Will RB say, "I told ya so?"

Tune in tomorrow.... :lol:


Only if I have headers, LilOrphan.  ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:32:02 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.


Got a source for that?



Fox News, H&C or O'Reilly, I cant recall what one. A Int'l lawyer has a client in KIA, and said it is more comfy than any prison in the US, it is brand new and state of the art, it is connected to an old part though.


Diva, did you hear about 'tea breaks too?'

Yep, and cocktail hor and conjugal visits. :puke:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:32:03 PM
You gotta wonder why Joran's dad was telling him not to talk at that early date?  Unless he knew there was foul play, what would possess him to ask Joran to stay quiet? And, one of the brothers was doing the same.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: "clevfan1234"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


are any of you friends with lawyers? this is what I actually think a lawyer would tell his/her kid if in same situation


::raises hand:::

Yeah, it's actually typical I think. Don't know how it would be there..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Vorpman on June 22, 2005, 10:32:22 PM
Step dad of Natalie, confrontation with Jorans dad the day after Natalie is reported missing.  She' s just missing at that point.  They are not suspects, because at this point its a missing person's case.  Refusing to cooperate in a missing person's case, the question is why.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 10:32:28 PM
Ting or Tang?

Ooh eee, ooh ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang.

So, Joran doesn't drink, hmmmm?  Maybe he chugs!

Trying to picture "tea time" at the Dutch-type prison.  A little Vandermint, my dear?  Ooh, I love that little Delft decanter--can I have it for it my Pruno?  Would you rather some Cherry Heering?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: "DT"
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Natalee wasn't going to school the next day, she had already graduated and was 18.  Joran is 17 and had finals the next day.  

This is not a personal attack but how can you not see a problem with that?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 10:32:43 PM
Talk about culture clash - Jug vs PVDS is classic. Jug and his buddies questioning the boys, PVDS being protective of his kid. Add in language differences - what a mess!

and I'd second the PVDS not being fluent in English - I worked for years as a representative for several EU companies and the EU folks who were not hyper-fluent in English were very embarassed since so many are better English speakers than most americans.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:32:46 PM
That's the first thing that every lawyer says.."dont say anything"....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "clevfan1234"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


are any of you friends with lawyers? this is what I actually think a lawyer would tell his/her kid if in same situation


::raises hand:::

Yeah, it's actually typical I think. Don't know how it would be there..


He's not a lawyer though.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so here I go again...

Considering Mr VDS' law degree, I do not find it strange that he would tell his son " you do not have to say anything" when the Holloways were questioning him. Any lawyers here? Is that not what YOU would advise your clients? And I know his son is not his client but I am sure his law training "kicked in".


Yes that is exactly what I was thinking.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ladyhawke112 on June 22, 2005, 10:33:16 PM
The stepdad that horrible first night says it is PVDS that was rude and says that JVDS wanted to talk to them and try to help?

Didn't Nat's Mom say earlier this week that JVDS was rude to her, by asking, "What do you want me to do?" with his fist on his chest.

Any ideas?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:33:18 PM
pardon my rudeness...Hi monkeys!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writergal on June 22, 2005, 10:33:22 PM
I have a question. Am I correct in thinking that the charges the three are being held on now are: suspicion of kidnapping and suspicion of murder? I seem to recall kidnapping being one of them.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
All Nat's dad is saying makes very good sense, from logic and human psych, first impression etc.  Why was Popa soooo defencive straight out of the gate, nnless he knew Urine was bad. ("dont say anything!")


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 10:34:03 PM
writergal, you're correct.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:34:20 PM
nancy, he's familiar with the law.  Paralegals give their friends and family the same advice here...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
someone on FOX now saying he doubts she is alive at this point.. OMG it was her dad.. I ran in the room.. YIKES...  also posts and posts ago someone mentioned that his voice sounds like Michael Waltrips.. too lazy to look that up.. and I agree..it does. Something is happening I believe..
and nobody can talk.


That was me (re:Michael waldrip)  but I was referring to Nat's uncle, though her dad may also. (Not that there's anything wrong with that! :) )


((((Mike)))) NIce to see ya!
Oh hi, Sweety!  I been e-yrs back!  Didn't see you here!

Just wanted to provide a very important comment! :? I got more, jes you wait! :roll:


Wohoo cause for ONCE I don't have any smarty answers tonite.. I gave my brain the night off!  :wink:

Just sitting back and watching "Rumble in Monkeys" hee hee


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DT"
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Natalee wasn't going to school the next day, she had already graduated and was 18.  Joran is 17 and had finals the next day.  

This is not a personal attack but how can you not see a problem with that?


I'm not saying there wasn't a problem with that, only that it is hypocritical to judge one but not the other.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:35:10 PM
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 10:35:28 PM
something happened swimming ?????


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2005, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Confrontations continue to the Holiday Inn.  Dad was asked to step outside and "stared down" Beth.  Surname person also constantly telling joran he does not have to say anything.  Wow.

I have a feeling if Joran's mom had not left town that weekend, Nat would be alive and three kids would have futures.


I am not blaming her, just commenting on how strange fate is.


how true......


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


Yes he was.


Title: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: ceebeegee on June 22, 2005, 10:36:49 PM
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DT"
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Natalee wasn't going to school the next day, she had already graduated and was 18.  Joran is 17 and had finals the next day.  

This is not a personal attack but how can you not see a problem with that?

I think Joran knows more
I don't think he had the time to do whatever
he was in school the next day... at what 8:00am..?
from 2am to say 7am
5 hours..
he was pretty calm in school to have had passed his finals with good grades if he murdered someone it would weigh heavy on his mind


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: "writergal"
I have a question. Am I correct in thinking that the charges the three are being held on now are: suspicion of kidnapping and suspicion of murder? I seem to recall kidnapping being one of them.


Yes that was quoted in a news paper article


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:37:57 PM
So something happened swimming, he says, at school.....what the heck? So that's another story.
I think NH father knew what he spoke of last hour. There will be 8-9 more arrests, and this is almost over.
I wouldn';t have believed this if I hadn't just watched it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
pardon my rudeness...Hi monkeys!!


How did things go today?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: "Michael22"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DT"
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Natalee wasn't going to school the next day, she had already graduated and was 18.  Joran is 17 and had finals the next day.  

This is not a personal attack but how can you not see a problem with that?

I think Joran knows more
I don't think he had the time to do whatever
he was in school the next day... at what 8:00am..?
from 2am to say 7am
5 hours..
he was pretty calm in school to have had passed his finals with good grades if he murdered someone it would weigh heavy on his mind
I think, too tired to look, someone said the bus comes to pick him up quite early? Anyone care to jump in?


Title: Re: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:39:13 PM
1st That email was written in american english
2nd It had a sort of screenwriter narrative  

Doubt if it is trulyu deepaks

Quote from: "ceebeegee"
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
So something happened swimming, he says, at school.....what the heck? So that's another story.
I think NH father knew what he spoke of last hour. There will be 8-9 more arrests, and this is almost over.
I wouldn';t have believed this if I hadn't just watched it.


If something happened when they went swimming then why doesnt he just admit it.


Title: Re: Beth Twitty
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
How much clearer can she be when she says "I want my daughter NOW"
She knows that "something bad happened" to Natalee and she knows that the 3 men in the car know exactly what happened and where.  She is caught up in a nightmare of changing stories, an archaic justice system that anyone with money, connections or a brain can circumvent,  the colonial racist class structure, a sexist mentality that blames the female victim and a country whose collective ego must be stroked.  With all this lunacy around her, she still is the sharpest thinker and the most effective doer and is the class act of this sorry situation.
 

sometimes even a tantrum will not produce the desired results. cops are not magicians.  they have to follow the rules.  they need leads and evidence.  they can do only what they can do.  chandra levy's mother wanted her daughter too. it was not possible for a year in Washington DC.    we have no certainty that the police are on the right track in Aruba and have no evidence that it is for any of the reasons you cite. people disappear.  they are not always found nor their disappearance explained.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:40:13 PM
What was the part when they hauled JVDS in and headmaster present and Kalpoes too? And they said you were here but late and dad brought you,,,,,,,you need to come clean. Wow.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:40:30 PM
Yet the VDS father was the one who told Natalees' parents that his son was NOT at home and was playing poker downtown ( on a Monday night).  Of course when they went to the location that the senior VDS mentionnd junior was not there.  When the Twitty's went back to the VDS house Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were at the house.  That is when Joran said, while pounding his chest, "What do you want me to do!"

You can see how Joran came to be such a good liar.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 10:40:36 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
So something happened swimming, he says, at school.....what the heck? So that's another story.
I think NH father knew what he spoke of last hour. There will be 8-9 more arrests, and this is almost over.
I wouldn';t have believed this if I hadn't just watched it.


me neither! Perhaps it was an innocent accident, but for the cover-up joran was involved in encouraged by his dad and deepak?.Was it the headmaster at the school who said he told joran to come clean? I got that part kind of confused


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writergal on June 22, 2005, 10:40:44 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
writergal, you're correct.



   Thank you very much. The reason I wanted to verify fthe kidnapping charge is that it could be relevant to the discussion of Natalee's condition that took place several pages back.
   If Natalee was badly impaired by drugs or alcohol when she left the bar, and thus incapable of making a rational decision to go with the boys, then yes, she might in a strictly legal sense have been abducted.
   If she was sober and capable of making rational decisions, and she went with the guys willingly, then she could not be said to have been kidnapped.
   This is why investigators try to find out as much as they can about the victim's behavior, state of mind, demeanor, movements, etc. before the crime took place. All those things can affect the charges that may later be brought against a suspect.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:40:55 PM
If a swimming accident, why in the world a cover up.  Was it at a rave?  That gets us back to the party scene and just makes it too comlicated.

I can't believe the govt would not have already searched that pond so close to Joran's house.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


I remember seeing those.  Several were on the thread for NH that they took down on aruba.com, I think.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
What was the part when they hauled JVDS in and headmaster present and Kalpoes too? And they said you were here but late and dad brought you,,,,,,,you need to come clean. Wow.


Yeah did someone catch this.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Onnimus"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"

No they are NOT perfect, they are for the most part, spoiled little rich kids!!  But it's all our fault for letting them be... We over indulge our children, but it shouldn't have to die for it.


Are MBHS kids actually rich, or just upper middle class- what defines rich here? Also it's a pretty big assumption to say these kids are spoiled...I know you mean ALL our kids are spoiled these days and I can agree with that, but these MBHS kids don't seem to be any different than other kids to me. I wouldn't call them rich or spoiled just because their unofficial class trip was to Aruba.

Back on-topic, what has Nancy Grace said tonight?

<edited to edit out some typos>


Thanks for you post Omni, I just loooove how some here seem to know everyone in MB, and how spoiled and rich they are  :roll: Whatever....
 

don't know about spoiled but rich they are as many of them have said themselves on the site.  look at the demographcs folks, $100,000 median income, $375,000 median house price (not san francisco but not cheap), lilly white, 60 blacks and 106 hipanics (domestics?) in the whole place of 12,000.  rich yes and sometimes rich and spoiled go together.   note also that less than half the class participated in the trip for various reasons including parental permission and financial issues.


Sorry, but I went to buy an old I mean old cottage that needed to be town down for 400,000 and in MB and was out bid on the house. I should know the area because I am in real estate.  A decent house is 500 to 600,000


What in God's name does that have to do with the fact that Natalee is gone??? Get a life.... So what if they have money and she was spoiled ( she sure worked hard in school and being a tutor, peer counselor etc.) I don't care what her background is The fact is she has vanished into thin air Money has nothing to do with this.


Title: simplicity
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 10:41:05 PM
oh if everything were so simple and straightforward as it is in Alabama.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 22, 2005, 10:41:09 PM
Just my opinion and this has nothing to do with how deeply sad I feel about Natalee - but I saw 2 parents tonite and the one that totally irritated me was the stepdad - he just seems like the cowboy here - I mean at 3 a.m. he is trying to interrogate them - I understand that they wanted answers but come on - and I am not a lawyer but my little experience in dealing with the law is I would tell any of my children to SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't care what the situation was - and can you even imagine the problem it would cause if the VDS went out looking for Natalee - I mean come on - the media would have a field day - they would only be followed and it would be very worthless -


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 10:41:11 PM
Nicki! Hope all your news is good!

Ting - ting is a great caribbean soft drink made from grapefruits - amazing in the heat

and yes, any lawyer would say "don't talk" esp since some reports are that Jug and his "buddies" were pretty aggressive in their questioning. I'm not saying they were wrong to be but if the VDS assumption was that Natalee just ran away or partied too late, the intensity of the Jug crew frantically looking for Natalee could have caused them to quiet up.


Title: Re: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: a Troll on June 22, 2005, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: "ceebeegee"
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.

I agree.  The part about her introducing herself to him, him not really pursuing her, and getting him to help her win back some of the money they lost, might have made her comfortable enough with him after the first 5-6 hours to get into a car with him.  Otherwise, nobody can really say why she would have gotten into a car with 3 strangers.


Title: Re: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: "ceebeegee"
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.


Maybe wonderwoman is Greta


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so here I go again...

Considering Mr VDS' law degree, I do not find it strange that he would tell his son " you do not have to say anything" when the Holloways were questioning him. Any lawyers here? Is that not what YOU would advise your clients? And I know his son is not his client but I am sure his law training "kicked in".


Yes that is exactly what I was thinking.


Lawyer shmoryer!  At that point Papa should want to know what Urine could say to help these ppl find their girl!  That is unless he already knew there was good reason to shut him up!  Know what I mean!


Title: Re: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2005, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: "ceebeegee"
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.

Maybe he read the same email  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 22, 2005, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
something happened swimming ?????


you know what...this could very well be possible.....it is a well known fact that even the best of swimmers going into the water under the infulence could easily drown


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
So something happened swimming, he says, at school.....what the heck? So that's another story.
I think NH father knew what he spoke of last hour. There will be 8-9 more arrests, and this is almost over.
I wouldn';t have believed this if I hadn't just watched it.


something 'bad' happened swimming..?

surinam bros drop them off they go for a night swim
he accidently drowns her..?
no blood means..
either sufficated, strangled, or drown


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Step dad says Joran wanted to help them, but Dad would nto allow it?


Another K,
Isn't that incredible interview with stepfather?????  Wow!


Not to take up for anybody but put yourself in papa VDS place on that first night. If indeed VDS, Sr. has no knowledge and a bunch of folks show up at your house, and, by their own admission in other interviews, these folks from AMerica are questioning you and son in a very confrontational way to the VDS.
WHat would you be telling your son?  Probably to shut up until I can find out what in the he!l is going on here...
And you'd probably duck cameras too. And stay in the house for pete's sake. Just my opinion.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.


Title: Re: simplicity
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
oh if everything were so simple and straightforward as it is in Alabama.


Ain't that the truth...  :)


I know ain't ain't a word, LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:42:14 PM
If Joran was truely innocent, he should come clean and this would all end.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
All Nat's dad is saying makes very good sense, from logic and human psych, first impression etc.  Why was Popa soooo defencive straight out of the gate, nnless he knew Urine was bad. ("dont say anything!")


Well I would have been kind of thrown off a bit myself if what might look like an angry lynch mob showed up at my home at 3:30 in the morning.


Title: Deepak's e-mail????
Post by: ceebeegee on June 22, 2005, 10:43:03 PM
I don't think for a minute that the e-mail discussed here previously was really from Deepak.  However, someone seems to know details that have not been in the media before.  Maybe a friend wrote the e-mail.  Review it...everything in it is looking to be accurate.  I am considering statements from Natalee's friends, her stepfather, her mother, etc.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 22, 2005, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "DT"
One thing I noticed is the hypocrisy of the stepfather, continually accusing Joran of gambling and what not. But yet where did natalee meet joran, in a casino.  I'm starting to think Joran might not have had anything to do with this.


Natalee wasn't going to school the next day, she had already graduated and was 18.  Joran is 17 and had finals the next day.  

This is not a personal attack but how can you not see a problem with that?


That, and the fact that Jug said it was, by this time, about 3:00 a.m. when they went to the Whyndam to find Joran, after his dad said he was there gambling.  Gambling is illegal at 17 (Natalee was 18, so she was doing it legally), and it was a school night.  Who lets their underage child go gambling at 3:00 a.m. on a school night!?!?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:43:47 PM
Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.

Rumor only... No pics, no nothin'.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 22, 2005, 10:44:30 PM
I'm going to go donate to EquaSearch again.  I am disgusted.
bye, All


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so here I go again...

Considering Mr VDS' law degree, I do not find it strange that he would tell his son " you do not have to say anything" when the Holloways were questioning him. Any lawyers here? Is that not what YOU would advise your clients? And I know his son is not his client but I am sure his law training "kicked in".


He wasn't being charged, just questioned, Geez louise..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Geez louise..


omg! I thought I was the only one to say that, lol.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Just my opinion and this has nothing to do with how deeply sad I feel about Natalee - but I saw 2 parents tonite and the one that totally irritated me was the stepdad - he just seems like the cowboy here - I mean at 3 a.m. he is trying to interrogate them - I understand that they wanted answers but come on - and I am not a lawyer but my little experience in dealing with the law is I would tell any of my children to SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't care what the situation was - and can you even imagine the problem it would cause if the VDS went out looking for Natalee - I mean come on - the media would have a field day - they would only be followed and it would be very worthless -


OK I have not taken sides so to speak, but By God if this was my daughter I guess I would be considered a cowgirl, because I would leave no stone unturned. If this was my son, and I have one who is in Iraq as we speak, I would ORDER him to talk to the parents of a girl who came to my door in the middle of the night saying he was the last known person with her. I would MAKE him tell what he knew.......no if ands or buts, and if it incriminated him, then I would deal with that then.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: "cast"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
All Nat's dad is saying makes very good sense, from logic and human psych, first impression etc.  Why was Popa soooo defencive straight out of the gate, nnless he knew Urine was bad. ("dont say anything!")


Well I would have been kind of thrown off a bit myself if what might look like an angry lynch mob showed up at my home at 3:30 in the morning.


But if you know your boy is squeeky clean, your first instinctshpuldn't be defenseive but rather concerned and perhaps supportive.  Papa was not!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:45:54 PM
RB Pictures of him did not reveal any scratches ,
what is the source is it reliable ?

Quote from: "RB"
Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.

Rumor only... No pics, no nothin'.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:46:12 PM
If she drowned where is the body?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
something happened swimming ?????


Don't you love how everyone wants to help Joran get away with things, even the headmaster...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so here I go again...

Considering Mr VDS' law degree, I do not find it strange that he would tell his son " you do not have to say anything" when the Holloways were questioning him. Any lawyers here? Is that not what YOU would advise your clients? And I know his son is not his client but I am sure his law training "kicked in".


He wasn't being charged, just questioned, Geez louise..


He still instructed him correctly whether he was being charged or not.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
I'm going to go donate to EquaSearch again.  I am disgusted.
bye, All


yeah I'm thinkin about it too
they have had a 70% success rate
they are legit


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
pardon my rudeness...Hi monkeys!!


How did things go today?


Very very well..thank you for asking!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
RB Pictures of him did not reveal any scratches ,
what is the source is it reliable ?

Quote from: "RB"
Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.

Rumor only... No pics, no nothin'.


The posts were on the aruba.com board that had a message thread dedicated to Natalee. There's no way to know if the poster was authentic or not  (unless you admin that site, that is) , but they were there before the aruba.com systems staff took the thread down because it was so negative.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Title: Re: Creepy---remember Deepak's (supposedly) e-mail
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: "ceebeegee"
That e-mail that was supposedly???? from Deepak seems to be accurate to the tiniest detail.  Greta's interview with the stepfather had the same information.


The second part of the email was way off.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:48:40 PM
I haven't seen our MB friends here lately.  Anyone else seen them?

Oh, and what do Natalee's mom and step father do for a living?  Anyone seen this information?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: melrose on June 22, 2005, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Just my opinion and this has nothing to do with how deeply sad I feel about Natalee - but I saw 2 parents tonite and the one that totally irritated me was the stepdad - he just seems like the cowboy here - I mean at 3 a.m. he is trying to interrogate them - I understand that they wanted answers but come on - and I am not a lawyer but my little experience in dealing with the law is I would tell any of my children to SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't care what the situation was - and can you even imagine the problem it would cause if the VDS went out looking for Natalee - I mean come on - the media would have a field day - they would only be followed and it would be very worthless -


I agree with your post with one exception - with his 4 or 5 friends it was more like a posse. Can you imagine waking up to that coming at you in the middle of the night?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:50:13 PM
Just to remind ya, If Urine was not quilty of something, from first knowledge of Nat missing (when her folks came up) he would have not started with ANY LIESAT ALL!  Why!  But he showed guilt from start to present.

One more thing!  His only def is he left her w' bros.  NO WAY!  NO def. there. Think about it!


Title: eta van der Sloot residence
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 10:50:37 PM
i think jug's recollection of the time is a little off.  i recognize he knows best but did we not have 1-1:30 am eta van der sloot residence?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DivaToo on June 22, 2005, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
I'm going to go donate to EquaSearch again.  I am disgusted.
bye, All


I'm with you...completely disgusted. I however am going straight to AmSouth in the morning, where I bank anyway to donate....

Night Monkeys


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:51:01 PM
hmmmm..anyone notice how upbeat BHT seems tonight??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


no, if she did drown it was probably because Joran was holding her under the water.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Hmm.  If the moon is high, you could see well enough (if it wasn't too deep) to pull someone back in.  I used to night dive in Caribbean without a dive mag (light) so it's feasible. But apparantly maybe he didn't or couldn't  find her if that's the way it happened....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "cast"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
All Nat's dad is saying makes very good sense, from logic and human psych, first impression etc.  Why was Popa soooo defencive straight out of the gate, nnless he knew Urine was bad. ("dont say anything!")


Well I would have been kind of thrown off a bit myself if what might look like an angry lynch mob showed up at my home at 3:30 in the morning.


But if you know your boy is squeeky clean, your first instinctshpuldn't be defenseive but rather concerned and perhaps supportive.  Papa was not!


Natalee's dad scenario of what transpired was not a sceen of calmness.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.


woah nelly...can you spell r-u-m-o-r?  :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 10:51:58 PM
Quote
At that point Papa should want to know what Urine could say to help these ppl find their girl! That is unless he already knew there was good reason to shut him up


Not necessarily. He might have a notion, knowing that his son, like many of the kids there, might engage in some recreational drug and sexual experimentation, and if his son had not told him anything about being with Natalee, not want his son to say anything without counsel.

I have to agree that most folks would counsel a young person, suddenly accosted by a group of angry foreigners, in the same way.

I got the impression from the stepfather that Joran was reluctant to discuss some aspects of his contact with Natalee in her parent's presence, which is normal, and not a bad thing in a young man.

My opinion that Mr. VDS drinks a bit, and possibly a bit more when Anita is out of town, has not changed.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 22, 2005, 10:52:04 PM
G`morning all, I`m back again could not sleep, but I see I have a lot of reading to do since I left 3 hours ago :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:52:05 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.

I don't believe the story about scratches because I am sure they would have been there when BH got to see him etc. and I am more than sure she would be broadcasting that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 10:52:11 PM
iquitos
 I have sent you a p.m.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 10:52:15 PM
so in one interview Daddy VDS cannot remember whether he woke Joran up for school or if he rode the bus or was late or anything about that morning.

but in the interview with Natalee's stepdad he states when his AL friends went to the school to post flyers, Joran, dad and headmaster all were in office (correct?) and when the AL friends ask if Joran was at school, the headmaster looks it up and says "yes" and then states "remember, Joran was late...you brought him to school"

Am I hearing things??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 22, 2005, 10:52:34 PM
I gotta go folks!  Dagnabbit!  Must be Thursday! :wink:  Check y'all later!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:52:55 PM
One faction here scared off the MB'ers and supporters I suppose and another scared off the Arubians and their supporters. There prolly was no way that splintered group could hangout together forever. Of course we haven't lost them all just some.  

But they are reading it all check out the lurker numbers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
hmmmm..anyone notice how upbeat BHT seems tonight??


And how do you want her to act?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 22, 2005, 10:53:02 PM
I am not saying that I blame the Twittys for taking that approach - however that kind of direct approach especially at that hour rarely works - I know the few times I have been confrontational with people it only blows off steam but does not solve anything.

And I would say this until my dying day - I would never advise anyone in in a situation like this to ever speak about legal things without an attorney - sorry personal experience speaking!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
pardon my rudeness...Hi monkeys!!


How did things go today?


Very very well..thank you for asking!!!


Good.  I thought about you today and was looking for you to get on.  I'm glad things went well!   :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: kuaitzu on June 22, 2005, 10:54:06 PM
[\
OK I have not taken sides so to speak, but By God if this was my daughter I guess I would be considered a cowgirl, because I would leave no stone unturned. If this was my son, and I have one who is in Iraq as we speak, I would ORDER him to talk to the parents of a girl who came to my door in the middle of the night saying he was the last known person with her. I would MAKE him tell what he knew.......no if ands or buts, and if it incriminated him, then I would deal with that then.[/quote]


Amen to that ..the rule is quite simple....always be there to defend your children if they are wronged unrightfully..but make them take their licks if they are wrong..My son is a LCL in th US MARINES..and he always says..when I was growing up..I would rather be  punished for something I did wrong by someone else....than have to appear in frony of Judge MOM!!! LOL Parenthood is not for WIMPS!!!


Title: Re: eta van der Sloot residence
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
i think jug's recollection of the time is a little off.  i recognize he knows best but did we not have 1-1:30 am eta van der sloot residence?


Jug stated 3:30 a.m. was the first time that they went to the VDS home.


Title: Re: Beth Twitty
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
How much clearer can she be when she says "I want my daughter NOW"
She knows that "something bad happened" to Natalee and she knows that the 3 men in the car know exactly what happened and where.  She is caught up in a nightmare of changing stories, an archaic justice system that anyone with money, connections or a brain can circumvent,  the colonial racist class structure, a sexist mentality that blames the female victim and a country whose collective ego must be stroked.  With all this lunacy around her, she still is the sharpest thinker and the most effective doer and is the class act of this sorry situation.
 

sometimes even a tantrum will not produce the desired results. cops are not magicians.  they have to follow the rules.  they need leads and evidence.  they can do only what they can do.  chandra levy's mother wanted her daughter too. it was not possible for a year in Washington DC.    we have no certainty that the police are on the right track in Aruba and have no evidence that it is for any of the reasons you cite. people disappear.  they are not always found nor their disappearance explained.


They didn't have three boys that were with were (eye witnesses) that could tell what happened?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:55:01 PM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Just to remind ya, If Urine was not quilty of something, from first knowledge of Nat missing (when her folks came up) he would have not started with ANY LIESAT ALL!  Why!  But he showed guilt from start to present.

One more thing!  His only def is he left her w' bros.  NO WAY!  NO def. there. Think about it!


Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers?  They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Title: Water Water Everywhere
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 10:55:42 PM
I have been comforted by the fact that the waters surrounding Aruba are so crystal clear.  Visibility is anywhere from 30 meters to 100 meters, depending on where I've read and which part.

I know from scuba diving, that you can easily see objects on the bottom to 100 feet, even snorkeling on the surface, under those conditions.  I believe that most waters were searched, were they not, by divers, both professional and amateur?

I've had a hard time finding tidal info for that day--if it has been posted somewhere, can a Monkey point me to it or just quote it for me?  The experts on the island say that anywhere off of the SW part of the island, around the hotels and the beaches in question, would've been brought right back onshore.

I believe there is a protective barrier reef along there, too, isn't there?  I don't believe the shark stories, as far as one feeding and gathering place near the lighthouse, but if someone has seen some proof of it, let us know.  All the Islander old-timers say that was a long time ago, when the boucherie was there, or a slaughterhouse.  What's truth, what's fiction?

Still spooky, though, that the boys, or possibly only Deepak, even brought up "looking at the sharks" in the nighttime, as something Natalee wanted to do--fiction or not.  It's top of mind and that's important.

I feel safe at this time keeping the idea of burial at sea way down on my list of possibilities, even though it *is* the most obvious one.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 10:55:59 PM
Hey Diva...what are we disgusted about? I missed something...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I am not saying that I blame the Twittys for taking that approach - however that kind of direct approach especially at that hour rarely works - I know the few times I have been confrontational with people it only blows off steam but does not solve anything.

And I would say this until my dying day - I would never advise anyone in in a situation like this to ever speak about legal things without an attorney - sorry personal experience speaking!!


Thank you!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 10:56:31 PM
I still think Joran was in the house, not out that night.  Dad concocted any story he could to get the people away from the house.

Wild goose chase--off to Winham.  When they get back Joran is not alone.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 22, 2005, 10:56:35 PM
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Title: Re: Water Water Everywhere
Post by: rogers on June 22, 2005, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
I have been comforted by the fact that the waters surrounding Aruba are so crystal clear.  Visibility is anywhere from 30 meters to 100 meters, depending on where I've read and which part.

I know from scuba diving, that you can easily see objects on the bottom to 100 feet, even snorkeling on the surface, under those conditions.  I believe that most waters were searched, were they not, by divers, both professional and amateur?



I feel safe at this time keeping the idea of burial at sea way down on my list of possibilities, even though it *is* the most obvious one.


Vis there is 30 to 100 feet, not meters.  There is often a steady current around the Marriott/HI that moves steadily towards Venezula.  I've spent at least 24 hours underwater in that area of Aruba.  Have never seen a shark in those waters.  Quite rare I'm told.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 10:57:01 PM
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Title: Re: simplicity
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "iquitos"
oh if everything were so simple and straightforward as it is in Alabama.


Ain't that the truth...  :)


I know ain't ain't a word, LOL


A little more PC than Aruba?? wouldn't go around arresting men that had alibis..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 10:57:08 PM
Kerin

When you saw BH walking around..were you looking for Larissa like me?  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so in one interview Daddy VDS cannot remember whether he woke Joran up for school or if he rode the bus or was late or anything about that morning.

but in the interview with Natalee's stepdad he states when his AL friends went to the school to post flyers, Joran, dad and headmaster all were in office (correct?) and when the AL friends ask if Joran was at school, the headmaster looks it up and says "yes" and then states "remember, Joran was late...you brought him to school"

Am I hearing things??


I did not hear that Dad was at school, but probably need to wait for the interview to be uploaded to make sure.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
hmmmm..anyone notice how upbeat BHT seems tonight??


And how do you want her to act?


well, smartazz, its not that i want her to act any certain way..i just felt that she was more upbeat than usual...wondered if maybe she may have learned a little more today that could not be spoken of...something that may make her feel just a wee bit better about things.....satisfied??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kshe78 on June 22, 2005, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Hmm.  If the moon is high, you could see well enough (if it wasn't too deep) to pull someone back in.  I used to night dive in Caribbean without a dive mag (light) so it's feasible. But apparantly maybe he didn't or couldn't  find her if that's the way it happened....


Where are her clothes then? I highly doubt she went swimming in a denim skirt, shoes, etc.  IF that were the story (not that I think it is) then at best he could still be charged with concealing evidence, but an accidental drowning shouldn't cause him concern in a court of law.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Hey Diva...what are we disgusted about? I missed something...


Their here  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Belle on June 22, 2005, 10:58:08 PM
Things I remember that may not  have seen addressed by y'all.  

   The  1st explanation of events we heard--the boys stated when they
    took Natalee back to the Holiday Inn

      1.   "she didn't want to get out" of the car.  

      2.    She didn't want  anyone  to help her.

      3.    She refused help from her Dutch escort/friend ??

      4.    She stumbled.

        Then they saw a security guard in a black shirt/pants with a walkie
        talkie help her/talk to her.

    This puts all 3 guys dropping her off.

I enjoy reading all of your opinions.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 10:59:37 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
hmmmm..anyone notice how upbeat BHT seems tonight??


And how do you want her to act?


well, smartazz, its not that i want her to act any certain way..i just felt that she was more upbeat than usual...wondered if maybe she may have learned a little more today that could not be spoken of...something that may make her feel just a wee bit better about things.....satisfied??


So much for trying to have intelligent conversation with you.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 10:59:40 PM
Did i hear it right, that satish is the older brother?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 22, 2005, 11:00:11 PM
Whoa!
Satish is the OLDER brother?
I thought the consensus was that Deepak was 21.
Odd.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:00:18 PM
Wooaaahhh have I been hit with s STUPID stick?

I thought Deepak was the order one?

They just stated Satish was? WTF?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
hmmmm..anyone notice how upbeat BHT seems tonight??


And how do you want her to act?


well, smartazz, its not that i want her to act any certain way..i just felt that she was more upbeat than usual...wondered if maybe she may have learned a little more today that could not be spoken of...something that may make her feel just a wee bit better about things.....satisfied??


So much for trying to have intelligent conversation with you.


2 more winners. Maybe we should start voting on acceptable post.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Just my opinion and this has nothing to do with how deeply sad I feel about Natalee - but I saw 2 parents tonite and the one that totally irritated me was the stepdad - he just seems like the cowboy here - I mean at 3 a.m. he is trying to interrogate them - I understand that they wanted answers but come on - and I am not a lawyer but my little experience in dealing with the law is I would tell any of my children to SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't care what the situation was - and can you even imagine the problem it would cause if the VDS went out looking for Natalee - I mean come on - the media would have a field day - they would only be followed and it would be very worthless -


OK I have not taken sides so to speak, but By God if this was my daughter I guess I would be considered a cowgirl, because I would leave no stone unturned. If this was my son, and I have one who is in Iraq as we speak, I would ORDER him to talk to the parents of a girl who came to my door in the middle of the night saying he was the last known person with her. I would MAKE him tell what he knew.......no if ands or buts, and if it incriminated him, then I would deal with that then.


thats why kids are spoiled and bratty. Parents love to cover their butts when they should be teaching them to tell the truth...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:00:34 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Hmm.  If the moon is high, you could see well enough (if it wasn't too deep) to pull someone back in.  I used to night dive in Caribbean without a dive mag (light) so it's feasible. But apparantly maybe he didn't or couldn't  find her if that's the way it happened....


Where are her clothes then? I highly doubt she went swimming in a denim skirt, shoes, etc.  IF that were the story (not that I think it is) then at best he could still be charged with concealing evidence, but an accidental drowning shouldn't cause him concern in a court of law.


Another poster mentioned some detail from the alleged Deepak note about seeing the sharks.  I gotta tell you, having dove at night, those bad boys sneak up on you like cats when it's dark...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:00:38 PM
Wait....I thought Satish was the younger one?  Wrong?  Did you just hear the newspapers guys say he was the older?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin

When you saw BH walking around..were you looking for Larissa like me?  :lol:


yes I expected her to pop her head out at any moment and say,

"CHEESE"


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 11:00:57 PM
Have to spend a couple hours with the family before bedtime.

Night


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 11:01:24 PM
An incident purported to be from a questioning session with Joran, Satish and Deepak all present was interesting. It was reported that Joran was asked what happened after being dropped off at the beach with Natalee and he ultimately said he called Deepak to come and pick him up after an hour. Deepak interjected, "Why are you lying," and immediately Joran changed and said it was Satish who picked him up.


FROM THE RIEHLWORLD


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:01:29 PM
Okay, I officially don't believe anything ANYONE says after that faux pax on FOX....  :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 11:01:52 PM
I think she is brittle and the kind of hyper that is just how you get through things.  I did not see her as upbeat in that sense.

The guys are just tearing all the parents apart and it is time to really tell the truth.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KackyLacky on June 22, 2005, 11:02:03 PM
the Kristen Modifari Foundation plans to fund the texas Group in honor of their daughter who went missing in CA sev yrs ago


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DT on June 22, 2005, 11:02:13 PM
I swear I can't believe anything anymore.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Touche' and that did happen.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I think she is brittle and the kind of hyper that is just how you get through things.  I did not see her as upbeat in that sense.

The guys are just tearing all the parents apart and it is time to really tell the truth.


If the story changed so much as everyone keep intimating, then how would they convince the authorities to believe them if they were telling the truth?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Kerin

When you saw BH walking around..were you looking for Larissa like me?  :lol:


yes I expected her to pop her head out at any moment and say,

"CHEESE"


ROFLMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
so in one interview Daddy VDS cannot remember whether he woke Joran up for school or if he rode the bus or was late or anything about that morning.

but in the interview with Natalee's stepdad he states when his AL friends went to the school to post flyers, Joran, dad and headmaster all were in office (correct?) and when the AL friends ask if Joran was at school, the headmaster looks it up and says "yes" and then states "remember, Joran was late...you brought him to school"

Am I hearing things??
 i think are.  dad was not there and headmaster did not answer the question on school attendance.  head master told the alabamans that they had had a meeting after joran came back to school but od not know if dad was there.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


personalities make people ugly to me....


Title: What happened?
Post by: waited_too_long on June 22, 2005, 11:03:53 PM
On CBS there was one story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/22/world/main703466.shtml

On Fox there was another. That I watched and it had nothing to with the report on CBS. Why was this? Is there a legal issue?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:03:57 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, I officially don't believe anything ANYONE says after that faux pax on FOX....  :?


Are you talking about the Satish statement by the reporters?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 22, 2005, 11:04:20 PM
Larissa is perhaps the Aruban version of where's waldo.  She does seem to pop up in almost every function or group we see.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:04:22 PM
I have decided that i am not going to beleive anything anymore....this changes everyday...even what the journalists say....i feel like i am in the twilight zone...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: pybird on June 22, 2005, 11:04:45 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


absolut, you speak the truth.  I was a member of the dried up forum, and witnessed all first hand.  It was very sad to watch.  I'd bet there are several of us here.

Sorry I'm so far behind in posting.  Been watching H&C, and Greta.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: rogers on June 22, 2005, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I have decided that i am not going to beleive anything anymore....this changes everyday...even what the journalists say....i feel like i am in the twilight zone...

I came to that conclusion several days ago.  It is liberating.


Title: Re: What happened?
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: "waited_too_long"
On CBS there was one story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/22/world/main703466.shtml

On Fox there was another. That I watched and it had nothing to with the report on CBS. Why was this? Is there a legal issue?


They have aligned themselves with Fox.  Fox is onsite and has been for at least what? 2 weeks?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: "Belle"
Things I remember that may not  have seen addressed by y'all.  

   The  1st explanation of events we heard--the boys stated when they
    took Natalee back to the Holiday Inn

      1.   "she didn't want to get out" of the car.  

      2.    She didn't want  anyone  to help her.

      3.    She refused help from her Dutch escort/friend ??

      4.    She stumbled.

        Then they saw a security guard in a black shirt/pants with a walkie
        talkie help her/talk to her.

    This puts all 3 guys dropping her off.

I enjoy reading all of your opinions.

hey southern 'belle'

Things I remember that may not have seen addressed by y'all.

The 1st explanation of events we heard--the boys stated when they
took Natalee back to the Holiday Inn

1. "she didn't want to get out" of the car. --(because they didn't take her to her hotel it was down aways.. )

2. She didn't want anyone to help her.
(she didn't want anyone to touch her)

3. She refused help from her Dutch escort/friend ??
(she's mad at him, she trusted him to take her back)

4. She stumbled.
(....?.....)

Then they saw a security guard in a black shirt/pants with a walkie
talkie help her/talk to her.

(is this made up to frame someone..?)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Of course not. What he'd do is use the cell phone to call the police for search and rescue. Right?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 22, 2005, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Speaking of ugly, racism's pretty ugly too.  But that has nothing to do with it, right?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


lol.  I have to agree with you absolut.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, I officially don't believe anything ANYONE says after that faux pax on FOX....  :?


Are you talking about the Satish statement by the reporters?


Yes.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:06:36 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


personalities make people ugly to me....


Then the Kalpoe brothers and Joran are dog ugly!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: heavyheart on June 22, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Touche' and that did happen.


The truth is what it is.  Have you seen the pictures of the girls on the trip?  They all looked like attractive young women.  Then again, I think everyone is good looking before they open their mouth :-)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 11:07:13 PM
I'm constantly fascinated by the results we jump to with each new bunch of hearsay - we get two reporters from aruban papers saying sources close to investigation said this and that and we go... well, that's what happened!  

One thing I've been wondering about is the impact of all of this media coverage on the various parties - BH is now travelling around with Greta and maybe feeling she has to act certain ways or just holding herself together by acting upbeat for the cameras? The VDSs allow an interview on camera when I'd bet they are not normally that open about personal matters, the reporters all are suddenly desperate to get US air time for their papers or themselves, etc etc ...  I've also wondered if the Aruban authorities are holding any of the 4 simply because there's been so much US media pressure to do so ... etc. ( just brainstorming here)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 22, 2005, 11:07:27 PM
Leslie, why do you say that?[/quote]

Because they are ugly.[/quote]

Wow that may drop the board to a new low.[/quote]
 :D
nice to come back to a goo laugh!!
gretas on...srill looking for  NH

and yep i still can't type...sorry!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 22, 2005, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I still think Joran was in the house, not out that night.  Dad concocted any story he could to get the people away from the house.

Wild goose chase--off to Winham.  When they get back Joran is not alone.


Either that or Dad new where he was, and needed time to get him back home.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:07:58 PM
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Quote from: "absolut"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "absolut"
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Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


absolut, you speak the truth.  I was a member of the dried up forum, and witnessed all first hand.  It was very sad to watch.  I'd bet there are several of us here.

Sorry I'm so far behind in posting.  Been watching H&C, and Greta.


You have NO idea of what you speak!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OOHH..great had a very good question...WAS Joran in school that day?  Does anyone know?


We don't know FOR SURE, just like everything else.  He supposedly had finals, but his own father, who was in charge of Joran that day, as Mrs vdS was in Holland, allegedly, cannot answer that question.  He doesn't recall for sure whether Joran went that day or not.

There were rumors from posters on other Aruba forums that classmates said he had scratches on his face and was in class.  Not sure what to believe.


Oh, no. I had never seen anything about scratches. That makes me sick. That's it for me. He did it. That was the thing we held out on here. My fiance is a detective, and I work in the field as a court reporter. We have been bothered that no mention of marks on anyone which is the biggest biggest red flag. This makes me sick.


woah nelly...can you spell r-u-m-o-r?  :)



I actually heard this rumor from someone that had gone to Aruba to participate in the search and this was long before it was mentioned here.  I don't know if it is confirmed but this was floating around the island before Joran was actually arrested


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:08:41 PM
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 22, 2005, 11:09:01 PM
KerinTX wrote:

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personalities make people ugly to me....



Aint that the truth :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Of course not. What he'd do is use the cell phone to call the police for search and rescue. Right?


oy vey


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Okay, I officially don't believe anything ANYONE says after that faux pax on FOX....  :?


What are you talking about


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 11:09:51 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


personalities make people ugly to me....


Then the Kalpoe brothers and Joran are dog ugly!

well now that you mention it
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:09:53 PM
nancy, who said they were talking about the forum you were a major player in?  Lighten up.  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


Well, even on Tickle etc etc Deepak is older.

Plus Satish is going to colegio arubano

Deepak does not attend school and works extra hours saving for college.

Obvious big huge stupid mistake on TV.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "absolut"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writergal on June 22, 2005, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: "writergal"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
writergal, you're correct.



   Thank you very much. The reason I wanted to verify fthe kidnapping charge is that it could be relevant to the discussion of Natalee's condition that took place several pages back.
   If Natalee was badly impaired by drugs or alcohol when she left the bar, and thus incapable of making a rational decision to go with the boys, then yes, she might in a strictly legal sense have been abducted.
   If she was sober and capable of making rational decisions, and she went with the guys willingly, then she could not be said to have been kidnapped.
   This is why investigators try to find out as much as they can about the victim's behavior, state of mind, demeanor, movements, etc. before the crime took place. All those things can affect the charges that may later be brought against a suspect.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


Well, even on Tickle etc etc Deepak is older.

Plus Satish is going to colegio arubano

Deepak does not attend school and works extra hours saving for college.

Obvious bug huge stupid mistake on TV.


I'd say it's proceeding in it's usual fashion then


Title: fox pas?
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:12:10 PM
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 11:12:29 PM
Quote from: "chelsblu"
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


No No No... I heard yesterday on CNN is was Ms. Scarlet in the billiard room with a rope.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Quote from: "absolut"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


Well, even on Tickle etc etc Deepak is older.

Plus Satish is going to colegio arubano

Deepak does not attend school and works extra hours saving for college.

Obvious bug huge stupid mistake on TV.


I continue to have great respect for the people of Aruba.  HOWEVER, their news reporters STINK!!!  No one even corrected him!!!  No wonder there are so many rumors in this case??/


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 22, 2005, 11:12:47 PM
Hi all.....haven't been here all day...was feeling the DTs from Monkey withdrawel all day  :cry:   Not even going to try to catch up...just going to gather info as we go....Hope you all are well..... :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GutFeeling on June 22, 2005, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I still think Joran was in the house, not out that night.  Dad concocted any story he could to get the people away from the house.

Wild goose chase--off to Winham.  When they get back Joran is not alone.


Either that or Dad new where he was, and needed time to get him back home.


Jinkies....that's chilling.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 22, 2005, 11:13:05 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Speaking of ugly, racism's pretty ugly too.  But that has nothing to do with it, right?


Sometimes ugly builds up to toxic levels and leaks out.  I think we need some biohazard suits in here.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 22, 2005, 11:13:19 PM
First of all, Hi mbhs05.

A few points about what I have seen here over the past hour:

I think Beth was in a good mood because she is getting help from her friends and she is getting out into the community looking for her girl.

Re. Mtn Brook: Yes this is a well to do area but don't stereotype. A lot of good people live here, regardless of their income level. Rich people live here but not everyone here is rich. In general, Mtn Brook is a mix of rich, upper middle class and middle class. We have some spectacular neighborhoods and we have neighborhoods that look like dozens of other neighborhoods in the Birmingham area. Natalee's parents both work.

The family and friends should be commended for their non stop efforts to find Natalee. They deserve our support.


Title: Re: fox pas?
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


 :wink: Deepak is older.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


Are you serious?  How conceited!!  I've been to several of those balls and you think pretty highly of yourself.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "absolut"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Speaking of ugly, racism's pretty ugly too.  But that has nothing to do with it, right?


Exactly right.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:14:22 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: "Michael22"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


personalities make people ugly to me....


Then the Kalpoe brothers and Joran are dog ugly!

well now that you mention it
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


leslie, your picture please.


Title: IMHO ...
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 11:14:45 PM
I think the cowboy confrontation in the middle of the night at the Sloots might have gone a bit differently if Anita had been home.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Ting on June 22, 2005, 11:14:55 PM
I think that it was reported that a small number of FBI agents accompanied Natalee's mother to Aruba.

It is interesting that none of them advised the family against the late night trip to the VDS house.

I would have thought that they would not wish to have anything happen that could compromise any investigation.

But then, I am speculating. Maybe they did advise them against it, and the family decided to go anyway.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.



You know, its funny you say that..its like that at my daughters school...i was dropping her off one day and thought, "there are pretty people everywhere...AND they didnt make guys like this when i was young..." LOLOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 22, 2005, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.



x a bunch.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Title: Re: fox pas?
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:15:52 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


 :wink: Deepak is older.


NO no ...that was the story last week.  This is the truth.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 22, 2005, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Perforator"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
If she drowned where is the body?


If she drown, in the ocean, you think Joran is going to swim back out, at night, and pull the body in?


Of course not. What he'd do is use the cell phone to call the police for search and rescue. Right?


oy vey


Well, hon, that's what an innocent person would do. They didn't because it's just yet another story in the endless parade of shifting alibis.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:16:52 PM
Okay I’m gonna go into left field here cause it’s America and I can….Remember Brian and his prediction about Nate on an island…....This is kinda freaky. I make no claims…..Take it for what you think it’s worth.

This is his prediction from 6/20/05 (rec’d via email at 4:47 pm 6/20/05) before Brennan was found on the 21st.

“A Boy Scout is lost in the mountains of Utah, he his very scared and cold.  Look for him at the highest point in the area that people are searching in, look for some sort of cave of group of rocks.  Not sure of anything else, but if there is a missing Boy Scout, this is when I think he is.”

He sent one yesterday also….“A boy that has been missing will be found in 24 hours...I think he is 11.  The boy is very scared but alive.”….but this one was sent too close to the time of the news report and I can’t corroborate the time of his webpage upload.

The freaky thing about his post on the 20th is that he says the boy will be found at the highest point in the area people are searching. The sheriff interviewed said that the child was found up over the mountain ridge. He also said that this is completely opposite of  expected behavior…that the expected behavior is to go with the path of least resistance which is downhill – basically that he was found in one of the least probable locations.
I know that someone said his Natalee post was cached and found to be originally put out without the Nate entry, but when I cached all I got is the web site as it appeared the on the 30th with no entries yet for the 31st. When cached again it was for the date of June 12th and of course it was as it appears now.
Just kind of curious…..Pardon the pun…but I guess make enough predictions some will come true...kind of like the theory about giving enough monkeys typewriters eventually one will write War and Peace.  No offense to any monkeys assembled here of course.
 :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 22, 2005, 11:17:01 PM
Avatars and Sigs are back

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Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:17:23 PM
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Kidding or not, there seems to be a dearth of much need humility


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 22, 2005, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "chelsblu"
OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


No No No... I heard yesterday on CNN is was Ms. Scarlet in the billiard room with a rope.



in the kia next??????


whooooaaaaa!!!!!!!wtf??bill???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:18:46 PM
Aww thanks Tom!!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:19:21 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Kidding or not, there seems to be a dearth of much need humility


Ok...if my friends are pretty, and I think they are...what's wrong with saying it? Leave me alone, please...I was kidding around. Like I said, this is the first day I've been in a good mood all week. Chill out...find someone else to pick on, please.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:19:42 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Kidding or not, there seems to be a dearth of much need humility




Someone sounds like maybe they know mbhs05 and might be a little bit jealous...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bendex on June 22, 2005, 11:19:52 PM
OKAY FRIENDS I AM GOING TO SLEEP


GOOD LUCK AND DONT FORGET THAT TOMMOROW IS ANOTHER DAY  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: ceebeegee on June 22, 2005, 11:19:56 PM
Today on FOX I heard Shepard Smith talk about the 11-year-old boy that was found in Utah as "Brennan Holloway."  His name is "Brennan Hawkins."  I think everyone is overloaded on the Natalee case.
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OMG. Deepak says younger brother in his email. WHat to believe? What to believe? :lol:
NOw we have a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe Deepak's mom lied to him about his age?? Sh!t. i think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick. :lol:


Well, even on Tickle etc etc Deepak is older.

Plus Satish is going to colegio arubano

Deepak does not attend school and works extra hours saving for college.

Obvious bug huge stupid mistake on TV.


I'd say it's proceeding in it's usual fashion then


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Fo' sizzle my nizzle homegurl!

:::throwing up peace sign:::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 22, 2005, 11:20:32 PM
What if they did go somewhere...to the beach... and Joran made advances...or all three tried something, and Natalee tried to run away.  Perhaps she stumbled and hit her head...or even ran into the water (could she swim?)... I don't know.  I am just trying to think of scenerios that would be deemed "something bad ," yet not involve the boys maliciously doing anything to Natalee.  I don't know.  heck I am sure someone already said this somewhere in the last one thousand threads :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:20:34 PM
Mmphmm, wonder in which grade Satish is in.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: WonderWoman on June 22, 2005, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Because they are ugly.

Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.




I can't believe either one of you just said that.......


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:20:56 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Kidding or not, there seems to be a dearth of much need humility




Someone sounds like maybe they know mbhs05 and might be a little bit jealous...


Eh? Well I sure don't know them...around here it's ok to say that we think people are attractive. It's called...a compliment.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
I still think Joran was in the house, not out that night.  Dad concocted any story he could to get the people away from the house.

Wild goose chase--off to Winham.  When they get back Joran is not alone.


I agree.


Title: Finally!
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 11:21:29 PM
Tim Miller and the TX EquuSearch crew are

IN THE AIR!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:21:40 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


personalities make people ugly to me....


Then the Kalpoe brothers and Joran are dog ugly!

well now that you mention it
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


leslie, your picture please.

After you.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Out of most people here I never went for this anonymity and I post what I think, how odd. The only other person that seemed to be on the line with you guys was Dash. We haven't heard from her directly in days now I think because the mask may have gotten to her.

You have my web address and my email address right under the news some of you even have used it. You notice in my reply thats my name.

Maybe if we took of the mask we could actually change the world.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Mmphmm, wonder in which grade Satish is in.
Maybe he just graduated Aruba... BTW way HI!!!!!!!! lol

Could ya know that info???  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:22:21 PM
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Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.



No more than someone suggesting all the people that go to MBHS are pretty


Well...there might be some truth to that ;).




LOL....I love self confidence..and its true!!!Too cute.... :D


Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.


I think I just threw up.


Oh, chill, please. I'm in a good mood for once this week and I'm playing around. Ya'll need to get over it...besides there's nothing wrong with thinking my friends are really pretty-they are.


Kidding or not, there seems to be a dearth of much need humility




Someone sounds like maybe they know mbhs05 and might be a little bit jealous...


I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't be screwing with the bandwidth but I just want to see how skinny this thread will get in the middle.. :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 22, 2005, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Because they are ugly.

Haha...well in all honesty we're known for it...I don't know what it is, but parents produce pretty kids here. Like in our Midnight Ball pictures everyone looks GOHGEOUS haha.




I can't believe either one of you just said that.......


x loads.
Lots of things here flat-out disgust me.
Our collective attitude, as Americans, sucks rocks, for lack of a better term.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Alana on June 22, 2005, 11:22:34 PM
Wasn't there a fight that broke out between some guys in Natalee's group and Joran? Does anyone know more about this?

Maybe there was some revenge or something...i don't know.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:22:44 PM
Good news, Ita.

Crap, I guess this means I have to take down the nasty things that I posted about our PM.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 11:23:08 PM
mbhs05 - it's been one of those nights here ...

 :roll:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 11:23:14 PM
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Tim Miller and the TX EquuSearch crew are

IN THE AIR!!!!


HAD TO CHIME IN FOR THIS ONE WHOO HOOO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 22, 2005, 11:24:11 PM
G`night bendex


Title: Re: fox pas?
Post by: tuberide on June 22, 2005, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


 :wink: Deepak is older.


been without power or battery for most of the last 6 hours,,,,,,im only 28 pages back now (im geting there).....Cali, i thought i just heard satish is older on FUXNews?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:24:47 PM
Well, if he went from MAVO to HAVO without staying back, he's supposed to graduate this year.
If he went to VWO straight, he's supposed to graduate this year also (without staying back).

Oh, staying back isn't all that odd here, I have about ten close friends, and only one didn't stay back once.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 11:24:59 PM
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????


The more these kids talk the More of a Case for the NEED of CHAPERONES..real ones not pretend ones....

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: cast on June 22, 2005, 11:25:10 PM
mbhs05

I don't know if this has been asked and answered, but do you know why some of the students said they saw Natalee get into a taxi when leaving C&C? What made them think that the vehicle was a taxi?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Haha...agreed! I think all of mine are...pretty is as pretty does, and I don't waste my time on people that can't be nice. And I see no problem in sharing that!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 22, 2005, 11:25:24 PM
Damn. Just looked in the mirror. Not everyone here is pretty.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Scott on June 22, 2005, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: "Michael22"
 
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


Are you thinking of Lurch from the Addams Family or Herman Munster?


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Tim Miller and the TX EquuSearch crew are

IN THE AIR!!!!


Thank God!!!! Does anyone else feel that though they are the ones that will start finding answers? Just a gut feeling i get....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: "cast"
mbhs05

I don't know if this has been asked and answered, but do you know why some of the students said they saw Natalee get into a taxi when leaving C&C? What made them think that the vehicle was a taxi?


Well I think that taxis look like just regular cars...so in the dark it would be easy to think she was getting into a taxi...that's what I've heard anyway. Maybe an Aruban friend could verify that? You guys on tonight?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: columbo on June 22, 2005, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Fo' sizzle my nizzle homegurl!

:::throwing up peace sign:::


and the eye is watching you, Cali  :shock:


Title: Re: IMHO ...
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:26:51 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
I think the cowboy confrontation in the middle of the night at the Sloots might have gone a bit differently if Anita had been home.


anita is obviously good people.  paulus is stiff and probably not confident of his english.  he is a petty bureaucrat in the legal system and very serious.  of course, legally, paulus was right and "jug" was wrong.  jug is in a foreign country and has no right to throw his weight around like he did for any reason.  let a foreigner try that stunt in alabama and see what happens.   another problem with what jug said:  he kept saying joran was talking and his dad and deepak (Satish? they all look alike) was saying Joran you don't have to speak.  Joran kept trying to help.  Now he may be a sociopath but it looks to me like he was being more forthcoming than his own good would indicate. and unfortunately, he probalby lied.  but the legend of joran initially stonewalling them is not true.  

"they came back to the v/d Sloot residence and Joran and Satish were leaning casually on the grey honda"


Title: Re: fox pas?
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


 :wink: Deepak is older.


been without power or battery for most of the last 6 hours,,,,,,im only 28 pages back now (im geting there).....Cali, i thought i just heard satish is older on FUXNews?


Yes which leads me to a saying I once heard, trust NOTHING you hear and only half of what you see... I never put much thought into it until AFTER the reporter made such a mistake and Greta did not correct him.

::running to Aruba to have drinks and strart supplying correct info:: JK lmao


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Haha...agreed! I think all of mine are...pretty is as pretty does, and I don't waste my time on people that can't be nice. And I see no problem in sharing that!


"pretty is as pretty does" interesting.  I can easily say that once you go to college the attitude you currently hold doesn't help you to make new friends that aren't from Mtn. Brook


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: "coco"
mbhs05 - it's been one of those nights here ...

 :roll:


Again?
People need to chill out.
I'm going to get off soon...don't feel like letting them ruin my mood. I'm milking it for all it's worth-it's been a while!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Ribbon"
Damn. Just looked in the mirror. Not everyone here is pretty.


ROFLMAO....that was funny....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:27:43 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Michael22"
 
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


Are you thinking of Lurch from the Addams Family or Herman Munster?


Lurch was better looking than Joran


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Fo' sizzle my nizzle homegurl!

:::throwing up peace sign:::


and the eye is watching you, Cali  :shock:


<-- is being a REALLY REALLY good girl! lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 11:27:53 PM
hey folks - I think MBHS was just making a joke ...

whereas lesley (and dublin earlier) were unfortunately quite serious


Title: Re: IMHO ...
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
I think the cowboy confrontation in the middle of the night at the Sloots might have gone a bit differently if Anita had been home.


anita is obviously good people.  paulus is stiff and probably not confident of his english.  he is a petty bureaucrat in the legal system and very serious.  of course, legally, paulus was right and "jug" was wrong.  jug is in a foreign country and has no right to throw his weight around like he did for any reason.  let a foreigner try that stunt in alabama and see what happens.   another problem with what jug said:  he kept saying joran was talking and his dad and deepak (Satish? they all look alike) was saying Joran you don't have to speak.  Joran kept trying to help.  Now he may be a sociopath but it looks to me like he was being more forthcoming than his own good would indicate. and unfortunately, he probalby lied.  but the legend of joran initially stonewalling them is not true.  

"they came back to the v/d Sloot residence and Joran and Satish were leaning casually on the grey honda"


All of these people have a ton of Paid time off. They are all gonna have to work through christmas.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Fo' sizzle my nizzle homegurl!

:::throwing up peace sign:::


I understand.  That's the problem with the Internet sometimes - it affords people a definite cover until someone with a chuzpah and technical know how can discover who they are.  The bad part for me is for the longest time I really did use my real name (I have nothing to hide - I yam what I yam), until identity theft became commonplace.

You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca.  I guess if I'm jaded about anything, I have seen people who profess to to be this and that, and with a little effort, you discover what they aren't at all.  Therefore, I probably approach this medium with a lot less emotion in discussing these types of cases.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Good news, Ita.

Crap, I guess this means I have to take down the nasty things that I posted about our PM.


Naw, that's probably what turned the tide, don'tcha know?  "Arubagirl said on Scared Monkeys that Mr. O is a finkface!"

LET THERE BE COWBOYS!

And there were cowboys!


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:28:56 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Tim Miller and the TX EquuSearch crew are

IN THE AIR!!!!


Thank God!!!! Does anyone else feel that though they are the ones that will start finding answers? Just a gut feeling i get....


DEFINITELY HAVE MUCH MORE HOPE NOW I think these people mean business - he wasn't at all a marshmallow when he was interviewed.  The man who is in charge (that is).  I was impressed.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Haha...agreed! I think all of mine are...pretty is as pretty does, and I don't waste my time on people that can't be nice. And I see no problem in sharing that!


"pretty is as pretty does" interesting.  I can easily say that once you go to college the attitude you currently hold doesn't help you to make new friends that aren't from Mtn. Brook


Well if they aren't nice, then why be friends with them? There's no point in hanging around people that bring you down! Pretty people are nice and funny and healthy and just fun to be around...THAT'S what GOHGEOUS is...knowing how to have a good time at NO ONE else's expense.
And I'm sure not everyone in college is mean.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: "coco"
hey folks - I think MBHS was just making a joke ...

whereas lesley (and dublin earlier) were unfortunately quite serious


I don't think we understand jokes in here...I'll  keep that in mind.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 22, 2005, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......
Sometimes people put on a mask to hide their hurt...some ppl don't want others to see the real pain.  It has been said that at night she breaks down when she and her husband are alone.  Alot of southern women do this....they are great actors...have the ablility to make everybody around them think their life is perfect, when it really isnt.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 11:30:49 PM
Rebecca???  That's a funny name for a boy.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


That is called strength.  It is admirable not something to wonder about.
Joran is alive and his mother knows where he is.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Out of most people here I never went for this anonymity and I post what I think, how odd. The only other person that seemed to be on the line with you guys was Dash. We haven't heard from her directly in days now I think because the mask may have gotten to her.

You have my web address and my email address right under the news some of you even have used it. You notice in my reply thats my name.

Maybe if we took of the mask we could actually change the world.

Sounds like a plan to me....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 22, 2005, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: puggywug on June 22, 2005, 11:31:43 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


I'm not trying to start anything, I promise.  :)   All I want to say is that we don't know how we would react if we were put into that situation.  She has friends and family coming down to visit her, she is keeping her daughter's story in the press, and she is saying nice things about the people of Aruba.  If she was a total whimpering mess, she wouldn't be able to go around and meet people and pass out posters and prayer cards.  Maybe she allows herself time each night, in private, to have a good cry.


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Tim Miller and the TX EquuSearch crew are

IN THE AIR!!!!

Godspeed


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Rebecca???  That's a funny name for a boy.


As Kerin alluded, I must be a cross dresser :)  I never said I was a man :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: someone on June 22, 2005, 11:32:15 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Haha...agreed! I think all of mine are...pretty is as pretty does, and I don't waste my time on people that can't be nice. And I see no problem in sharing that!


"pretty is as pretty does" interesting.  I can easily say that once you go to college the attitude you currently hold doesn't help you to make new friends that aren't from Mtn. Brook


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 11:32:50 PM
Did you THINK Joran was "Beautiful" when you first saw him? Need to leanr that it is only Skin, the REAL Person is UNDERNEATH. I wonder just wonder what all of the Girls had to say about Joran....on the trip....


GuyWdog / aka NOT SHALLOW ,cause I have to look in the mirror at 43 yrs old....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I realize I may not be a "seasoned veteran" of these type forums (sorry Nancy, RB and Absolut...not pointing at you guys) but I am really amazed at what people will post when given online anonymity.

Call it "looking at the world through rose colored glasses" but I sure hope I never become as bitter as some of you are appearing to be.


Out of most people here I never went for this anonymity and I post what I think, how odd. The only other person that seemed to be on the line with you guys was Dash. We haven't heard from her directly in days now I think because the mask may have gotten to her.

You have my web address and my email address right under the news some of you even have used it. You notice in my reply thats my name.

Maybe if we took of the mask we could actually change the world.

Sounds like a plan to me....


Well those of us for MB have our reasons for masks...but I do think that there's a good case against them. Maybe if we really felt like we knew each other we wouldn't play the I'll-randomly-attack-someone game.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:33:23 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "coco"
hey folks - I think MBHS was just making a joke ...

whereas lesley (and dublin earlier) were unfortunately quite serious


I don't think we understand jokes in here...I'll  keep that in mind.


Do you think the Kalpoe brothers are attractive people?  Or Joran?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 22, 2005, 11:33:43 PM
For the record Geraldo's girlfriend is "gohgeous" even though I have a moustache.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:33:59 PM
okguys, this was short, but sweet tonight...i have a 2 year old screaming h er head off yelling, "my nose, my nose" I must go see what the problem is....i do not see anything,but with a toddler you never know....


besides, people in here are ornery tonight...geez....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: "someone"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
mbhs05, I believe you.  I've always thought my friends were pretty.  Nothing wrong with that.  (okay, not all of my friends...lol)


Haha...agreed! I think all of mine are...pretty is as pretty does, and I don't waste my time on people that can't be nice. And I see no problem in sharing that!


"pretty is as pretty does" interesting.  I can easily say that once you go to college the attitude you currently hold doesn't help you to make new friends that aren't from Mtn. Brook


Already responded to that!
Pretty people are good people...no point in hanging around people who are mean!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: WonderWoman on June 22, 2005, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"

Well if they aren't nice, then why be friends with them? There's no point in hanging around people that bring you down! Pretty people are nice and funny and healthy and just fun to be around...THAT'S what GOHGEOUS is...knowing how to have a good time at NO ONE else's expense.
And I'm sure not everyone in college is mean.



Please tell me by saying "pretty" people you mean as in personality not just physically attractive people are nice and funny.


Title: When something horrible happens
Post by: camochance on June 22, 2005, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......
Sometimes people put on a mask to hide their hurt...some ppl don't want others to see the real pain.  It has been said that at night she breaks down when she and her husband are alone.  Alot of southern women do this....they are great actors...have the ablility to make everybody around them think their life is perfect, when it really isnt.


Sometimes finding focus helps place important things in focus - you  work hard to try and correct the situation instead of crying about it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:35:26 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "coco"
hey folks - I think MBHS was just making a joke ...

whereas lesley (and dublin earlier) were unfortunately quite serious


I don't think we understand jokes in here...I'll  keep that in mind.


Do you think the Kalpoe brothers are attractive people?  Or Joran?


Well I don't...but everyone finds something different to find attractive. They just look like normal guys to me...nothing special, nothing horrible.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:35:31 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


No need to apologize :) I never told you any different.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 22, 2005, 11:35:55 PM
I think the Kalpoe brothers are pretty.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: "Geraldosgirlfriend"
For the record Geraldo's girlfriend is "gohgeous" even though I have a moustache.


Well, I did think you were a girl!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 22, 2005, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Rebecca???  That's a funny name for a boy.


As Kerin alluded, I must be a cross dresser :)  I never said I was a man :)

I am never going to live that down!!  :oops:

and BTW...my name is KERIN (duh)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:36:26 PM
OK FOLKS DO LET'S GET OFF THE "ATTRACTIVE' SUBJECT.  She explained herself and it really is not relavent.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:36:26 PM
:::comes down from the loft looks at the posts::::

Um can someone call me back down when it's safe?

::::immediately goes back to the loft::::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:36:47 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


anita painted her very personal and complete picture of her kid.  Betwen them the twitty/holloways have not been able to give us that same personal picture of natalee:  good student, determined, intelligent. perfectionist, competitive gradewise, athletic ... maybe they are just more private.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Rebecca???  That's a funny name for a boy.


As Kerin alluded, I must be a cross dresser :)  I never said I was a man :)

I am never going to live that down!!  :oops:

and BTW...my name is KERIN (duh)
\


I thought she was a man too..i called her 'dude'....lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 22, 2005, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


But odds are I would not be nearly as popular in this room tonight...  :roll:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "mbhs05"

Well if they aren't nice, then why be friends with them? There's no point in hanging around people that bring you down! Pretty people are nice and funny and healthy and just fun to be around...THAT'S what GOHGEOUS is...knowing how to have a good time at NO ONE else's expense.
And I'm sure not everyone in college is mean.



Please tell me by saying "pretty" people you mean as in personality not just physically attractive people are nice and funny.


No...I'm really very shallow and only physically pretty people are acceptable to me. Oh wait...I forgot...we can't joke in here.
Pretty people, as I've already said, are people who know how to take of themselves...spiritually and mentally as WELL as physically, and know how to treat others the way they should. People who are positive and can have fun and NO ONE'S expense.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


And Absolut there <---rebecca points--| is sitting in my living room.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 22, 2005, 11:37:31 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Geraldosgirlfriend"
For the record Geraldo's girlfriend is "gohgeous" even though I have a moustache.


Well, I did think you were a girl!!!


Nancy, I am a girl.  I'm a pretty girl too.  Pretty girls shave their moustaches so I do that.  I'm nicer than girls that don't shave their moustaches.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Speaking of ugly, racism's pretty ugly too.  But that has nothing to do with it, right?


Exactly right.


Not racism, their surinese friend Max is cut, they are not!! Everyone get your mind outof the racism cloud.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: pybird on June 22, 2005, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
You gotta wonder why Joran's dad was telling him not to talk at that early date?  Unless he knew there was foul play, what would possess him to ask Joran to stay quiet? And, one of the brothers was doing the same.


Well nancy...I'm over an hour behind in posts, but I can tell you I would tell my son to keep his mouth shut, too.  We've all been around these kind of crimes on the forums for quite a few years. Right?
Just curious, what would you tell your son to do, spill his guts?  Don't think so.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:37:55 PM
I agree with NikkiB. It's definitely out there tonight.
And btw I thinks Cali's right. Greta got screwed. Everywhere I google it says Deepak is oldest.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: another monkey on June 22, 2005, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


Some antidepressants are known to help you not cry and sort of blunt your emotions but I have no knowledge of her being on any medication, just guessing.  Personally I thought she looked different tonight, more fragile looking than I have seen her yet. She is one determined lady. Joran's mom may not have the benefit of any medication and probably does not have the family and friends' support in Aruba that BH has.


Title: Separated at birth
Post by: rcjasinski on June 22, 2005, 11:38:13 PM
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 22, 2005, 11:38:15 PM
still 3 pages back but , anyone know definitively whether or not the HI had cameras out back?...if they were hanging out on the beach, walking possibly, and NH decided to stumble up to her room via the beach - would there be possible footage of it......

i am thinking that there probably isnt a known camera there, which is unfortunate - - i'm imagining how easy someone could grab an obviously wasted(or sober) girl and drag her into his room.  If the hotel was full of entourage and concert goers, etc...... its a possibility  - - someone could have even been following her once she was got out of the car (no matter where in the beach area she was actually let out)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 22, 2005, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Michael22"
 
Joran has a striking resembalnce to Learch from the 'Munsters'


Are you thinking of Lurch from the Addams Family or Herman Munster?

ahh yes addams family it's been awhile


Title: Lurkers
Post by: KKM on June 22, 2005, 11:38:52 PM
“But they are reading it all check out the lurker numbers.”

You caught me and yes, I have been lurking most of the day, with my jaw on the floor I might add, for a number of reasons.

1.   I won’t post for fear of being attacked.
2.   I have no desire to get into the flaming going on tonight.  What began as such a fine group and support forum has quickly turned into a complete nightmare.
3.   FYI – the talk and “chat” on this board far surpasses ANYTHING I have heard here in town.  You have 2 scenarios – Natalee is alive or she’s not.  That really about sums it up and the only, and I mean only, thing we can do is support her family.

Another thing I find interesting is that I posted a couple of days ago offering to purchase the blue “Hope for Natalee” bracelets (the entire proceeds of which are going to help offset the family’s expenses) for anyone that wanted one.  One person asked me to do so.

I won’t leave.  I am just waiting for things to calm down.  If you saw Beth on Greta tonight, you may understand what a kind, compassionate and graceful woman she is.  I don’t know Natalee, but how could the apple NOT fall far from that tree?

I am speaking only for myself (not for anybody else in this community, her classmates or her family) in what I stated above.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 22, 2005, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


She may just be running on automatic pilot,  We also need to remember she may be trying to be strong for the rest of the family, and to keep her own sanity.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 22, 2005, 11:39:08 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
okguys, this was short, but sweet tonight...i have a 2 year old screaming h er head off yelling, "my nose, my nose" I must go see what the problem is....i do not see anything,but with a toddler you never know....


besides, people in here are ornery tonight...geez....


Bye.  Good luck with the 2 year old.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 22, 2005, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: "absolut"


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


Hey...You never know..you might be suprised.. :wink:  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


But odds are I would not be nearly as popular in this room tonight...  :roll:


Here comes the winning post, I guess from what we know now. Anyone from MB would be so it would all balence out.


Title: Re: fox pas?
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 22, 2005, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i thought deepak is the elder and satish the younger.  deepak works in the internet cafe and deepak in the colegio arubano.  i guess my circuits are fried from all these monkey shines in here  tell me o am wrong, or is it rite?


 :wink: Deepak is older.


been without power or battery for most of the last 6 hours,,,,,,im only 28 pages back now (im geting there).....Cali, i thought i just heard satish is older on FUXNews?


Yes which leads me to a saying I once heard, trust NOTHING you hear and only half of what you see... I never put much thought into it until AFTER the reporter made such a mistake and Greta did not correct him.

::running to Aruba to have drinks and strart supplying correct info:: JK lmao


i had fox on those for those 2 "official"" spokespersons while trying to read back so i'm just as f'd as you are!!!  the two guys come off pretty dumb...i tuned em out to catch up here...... then
WHOOOOOAAAAAA!!
                    MONKEY SLIPS ON  BIG BANANNA PEEL !___________________


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Terry on June 22, 2005, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


Somethig tells me it would!! LMFAO!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: puggywug on June 22, 2005, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
OK FOLKS DO LET'S GET OFF THE "ATTRACTIVE' SUBJECT.  She explained herself and it really is not relavent.


I second that motion...moving on...


Title: Re: Separated at birth
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


WOW


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 22, 2005, 11:40:19 PM
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


I didn't feel she was upbeat.  I think she was being gracious.  I don't know BH and can't speak specifically about her, but some people are good at smiling whether they are happy or not, politicians come to mind.  Southern hospitality could be ingrained.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:40:54 PM
Total hearsay, but some people who have been searching with Beth say that she's not on anti-depressants. They have some medical experience, so I guess they would know, but I'm not sticking my hand in fire for anyone at this point.

Hugs to MHB05


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "mbhs05"

Well if they aren't nice, then why be friends with them? There's no point in hanging around people that bring you down! Pretty people are nice and funny and healthy and just fun to be around...THAT'S what GOHGEOUS is...knowing how to have a good time at NO ONE else's expense.
And I'm sure not everyone in college is mean.



Please tell me by saying "pretty" people you mean as in personality not just physically attractive people are nice and funny.


No...I'm really very shallow and only physically pretty people are acceptable to me. Oh wait...I forgot...we can't joke in here.
Pretty people, as I've already said, are people who know how to take of themselves...spiritually and mentally as WELL as physically, and know how to treat others the way they should. People who are positive and can have fun and NO ONE'S expense.


By your definition of "pretty" I assume you would judge the Kalpoes and Joran to be quite unattractive.  I think those 3 had fun at someone's expense.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
You gotta wonder why Joran's dad was telling him not to talk at that early date?  Unless he knew there was foul play, what would possess him to ask Joran to stay quiet? And, one of the brothers was doing the same.


Well nancy...I'm over an hour behind in posts, but I can tell you I would tell my son to keep his mouth shut, too.  We've all been around these kind of crimes on the forums for quite a few years. Right?
Just curious, what would you tell your son to do, spill his guts?  Don't think so.


I'm all for staying quiet...guilty or innocent.  However, as a mother putting myself in that situation my first instinct would be to help find a missing kid.  If I thought my child had info that could help...I'd sure encourage him to speak up.

This was very early in this case...long before the Dad would have known his son was a target.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 22, 2005, 11:41:52 PM
I must say he has beautiful eyes tho :)


Title: Re: Separated at birth
Post by: puggywug on June 22, 2005, 11:42:04 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


WOW


ROFLMFAO!!!!!!  Holy moly, that's so funny!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: WonderWoman on June 22, 2005, 11:42:29 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "mbhs05"

Well if they aren't nice, then why be friends with them? There's no point in hanging around people that bring you down! Pretty people are nice and funny and healthy and just fun to be around...THAT'S what GOHGEOUS is...knowing how to have a good time at NO ONE else's expense.
And I'm sure not everyone in college is mean.



Please tell me by saying "pretty" people you mean as in personality not just physically attractive people are nice and funny.


No...I'm really very shallow and only physically pretty people are acceptable to me. Oh wait...I forgot...we can't joke in here.
Pretty people, as I've already said, are people who know how to take of themselves...spiritually and mentally as WELL as physically, and know how to treat others the way they should. People who are positive and can have fun and NO ONE'S expense.


Sorry MBHS was just trying to clarify, because your first statement came across as shallow....the unfortunate part of the internet is that there is no body language(can't always tell when one is kidding)

I think we can move on now....  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chelsblu on June 22, 2005, 11:42:39 PM
rc:
that is beyond cruel.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: Separated at birth
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


Separated at birth!  Dumb and dumbest.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


I've NEVER thought it was, of course!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


I'm not trying to start anything, I promise.  :)   All I want to say is that we don't know how we would react if we were put into that situation.  She has friends and family coming down to visit her, she is keeping her daughter's story in the press, and she is saying nice things about the people of Aruba.  If she was a total whimpering mess, she wouldn't be able to go around and meet people and pass out posters and prayer cards.  Maybe she allows herself time each night, in private, to have a good cry.


Since the very beginning her husband said she falls apart at night and has too take pills to sleep, I think has to take pills to survive. My uncle acted the same way when his wife that he adored died. Theygave him pills just so he could function day to day,


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: "WonderWoman"



Please tell me by saying "pretty" people you mean as in personality not just physically attractive people are nice and funny.


In rush the politically correctness police.
mbhs... just ignore them all
 :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 22, 2005, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


And Absolut there <---rebecca points--| is sitting in my living room.


So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: medleyrelay on June 22, 2005, 11:43:47 PM
No one absolutley no one should ever talk to police or in this case the victims parents without a lawyer - I do not care if your heart goes out to them or that it is the most horrible thing going on in the world - absolutley any intelligent person should always keep their mouth shut and speak only through a lawyer! Since Paul VDS knows the law better than most -he was doing the most intelligent thing for his son - this in no way makes either of them guilty of anything!  And for sure if the Jug and his posse came riding up in the middle of the night - I absolutely would have said nothing! I think Jug is used to throwing his money around and thinking that will get him someplace or something! i find him totally irritating! Not the real father - him my heart goes out to - he seems tearful and very sad - Jug seems like he is the cowboy here!


Title: newspaper article
Post by: Florida_mom on June 22, 2005, 11:44:32 PM
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:44:35 PM
CHECK THOSE PM"S


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 11:45:12 PM
Leslie - we get the point - you would not go out with any of the 3. enough already!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 22, 2005, 11:45:18 PM
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Perforator on June 22, 2005, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
No one absolutley no one should ever talk to police or in this case the victims parents without a lawyer


Are you one of those ambulance chasers?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


I've NEVER thought it was, of course!


I did not mean to offend........it was a compliment  (with a little advise tacked on to the end from someone who also has pretty friends who are also very nice)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 22, 2005, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


::falls out of loft::: Ouch I hurt myself...

Woah! I thought that the other nite but wasn't sure!!!

Awwwwww


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:46:51 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "RB"


You are welcome to call me by my name, which is Rebecca. quote]

For some reason I thought you were a man....Sorry  :?


If everyone was naked this wouldn't be an issue.


And Absolut there <---rebecca points--| is sitting in my living room.


So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?


I guess she got tired of me sitting on her porch sitting on her wireless router with my laptop. So I got moved inside. Had to walk around the neighborhood twice to find that signal.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Title: Re: Separated at birth
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 22, 2005, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


WOW



                 :!:  :?: so what does lorenzo look like????? :?:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:47:33 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


I've NEVER thought it was, of course!


I did not mean to offend........it was a compliment  (with a little advise tacked on to the end from someone who also has pretty friends who are also very nice)


Haha that's fine! But I seem to be being hounded by people who can't take a joke...eesh. So now I'm suspicious.  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:47:45 PM
Well said, MHB! :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 22, 2005, 11:47:54 PM
Joran is pretty good looking.  He's better looking than Daddy warbucks Papa sloot.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 22, 2005, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


I'm not trying to start anything, I promise.  :)   All I want to say is that we don't know how we would react if we were put into that situation.  She has friends and family coming down to visit her, she is keeping her daughter's story in the press, and she is saying nice things about the people of Aruba.  If she was a total whimpering mess, she wouldn't be able to go around and meet people and pass out posters and prayer cards.  Maybe she allows herself time each night, in private, to have a good cry.


Since the very beginning her husband said she falls apart at night and has too take pills to sleep, I think has to take pills to survive. My uncle acted the same way when his wife that he adored died. Theygave him pills just so he could function day to day,


Yes, my guess is she is strong and needs to find ways to stay strong and get her message out.  She is supported by friends and family.  But her loss has to take it's toll in private. Joran's family are perceived as the "bad guys' by the world right now.  I do feel great compassion for Anita, whether Joran is guilty or innocent.  Her life and family changed in one day.  And, it appears she's trying to be fair...and really doesn't know what the truth is. Very sad for both mothers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 22, 2005, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
Do you think that Natalee would have looked twice at either of the Kalpoe brothers? They only way there could have been any physical interaction would have been if drugs were involved and against her will.


Leslie, why do you say that?


Because they are ugly.


Wow that may drop the board to a new low.


The truth is what it is.


Speaking of ugly, racism's pretty ugly too.  But that has nothing to do with it, right?


Exactly right.


Not racism, their surinese friend Max is cut, they are not!! Everyone get your mind outof the racism cloud.


I think Joran is ugly too and he is really really white!  But Natalee seemed to like him. Why does this bother people so much?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Well said, MHB! :lol:


Thanks! How have you been by the way? I don't remember seeing you around much lately!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 22, 2005, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


::falls out of loft::: Ouch I hurt myself...

Woah! I thought that the other nite but wasn't sure!!!

Awwwwww


I get the feeling Cali is very happy she kept some potential PM's to herself right now... lol... love ya!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 22, 2005, 11:48:52 PM
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


well, damn..absolut and RB are hitched???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: amillerwvu on June 22, 2005, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


That's so awesome you guys can do this type of thing together.  My husband thinks I am nuts!!  I wait until he goes to bed orto work before I get on (the discussion board):(


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:49:30 PM
I'm fine, I'm slowly learning to step away from the computer. I went to see Mr & Mrs. Smith today and stayed for a bit at my friend's house.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


I've NEVER thought it was, of course!


I did not mean to offend........it was a compliment  (with a little advise tacked on to the end from someone who also has pretty friends who are also very nice)


Haha that's fine! But I seem to be being hounded by people who can't take a joke...eesh. So now I'm suspicious.  :shock:


I was pretty sure you were joking with the smilie you attached.

And by the way, I am glad you are having a good day!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:50:12 PM
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY The Texas Equosearch team was originally supposed to leave Tuesday night and now is not scheduled to arrive until Friday MORNING??????????????? :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:51:01 PM
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


::falls out of loft::: Ouch I hurt myself...

Woah! I thought that the other nite but wasn't sure!!!

Awwwwww


I get the feeling Cali is very happy she kept some potential PM's to herself right now... lol... love ya!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Now thats funny. GitRDone. "And I am guessing"


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
You gotta wonder why Joran's dad was telling him not to talk at that early date?  Unless he knew there was foul play, what would possess him to ask Joran to stay quiet? And, one of the brothers was doing the same.


Well nancy...I'm over an hour behind in posts, but I can tell you I would tell my son to keep his mouth shut, too.  We've all been around these kind of crimes on the forums for quite a few years. Right?
Just curious, what would you tell your son to do, spill his guts?  Don't think so.


I'm all for staying quiet...guilty or innocent.  However, as a mother putting myself in that situation my first instinct would be to help find a missing kid.  If I thought my child had info that could help...I'd sure encourage him to speak up. This was very early in this case...long before the Dad would have known his son was a target.
 

so nancy how do you rationalize the presence of the police during this activity and in a lead role at first accornding to "jug"?  so the police are talking to your son and he should talk his head off?  personally, i would have to go with the advice of the local legal expert on the scene not knowing the local law myself.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 22, 2005, 11:51:23 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY The Texas Equosearch team was originally supposed to leave Tuesday night and now is not scheduled to arrive until Friday MORNING??????????????? :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

I heard it had to do with getting permission or clearance for the dogs to fly.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
I'm fine, I'm slowly learning to step away from the computer. I went to see Mr & Mrs. Smith today and stayed for a bit at my friend's house.


Well glad you've gotten to get out!
I've been keeping myself busy...less computer...is better...


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Itawamba on June 22, 2005, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
DEFINITELY HAVE MUCH MORE HOPE NOW I think these people mean business - he wasn't at all a marshmallow when he was interviewed.  The man who is in charge (that is).  I was impressed.


Tim has "been there" with the disappearance of his own daughter, Laura.  She was one of several young women who went missing for months and even years and then were found buried in an area known NOW as the Killing Fields.

It's a rural area, but also residential--just homes spaced way apart.  It is kind of rundown housing.  Once I went with a girlfriend of mine to visit her elderly aunts for one of their birthdays.  As we got to the end of their road, to turn onto the smaller road in front of their houses, my friend pointed to the empty, overgrown lot on the corner and told me that was the Killing Field.

Accck, I immediately got the heebie-jeebies in the middle of the afternoon and they NEVER went away during the rest of the visit and party.  I asked both aunts and all their relatives why in the world they lived ACROSS THE STREET from that.  They said it didn't matter to them, the land and houses were cheap.

(Well, I *guess so*!)

Anyway, I went back there several times to visit and just couldn't shake the creeps--but then, I'm a sensitive soul to things like that.

I believe it was 17 months between Laura Miller going missing and her body being found, could be wrong.  She was a lucky one--by then, they were really paying attention to the missing girls and that area.

Our other outstanding SAR group here was also founded by the parents of a missing and murdered young girl named Laura--Smithers.  That is the Laura Recovery Group, which is older and larger, but doesn't use horses--in fact, they often work hand-in-hand with Tim's group.

*That* Laura was a classmate of one of my nieces and that struck closer to home, since it was in their neighborhood and they all searched for Laura.  The LRCF helped Laci Peterson's mom with their early searches, by organizing the volunteers--but they couldn't give more support than that (the volunteers were Modestans, not Texans imported to the scene) because they limit themselves to cases involving children.  (They made a small exception for Laci because of Connor being expected.)

More about all that later.  I've worked with both in my real work, with fund-raising, grantmaking and corporate giving.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Scott on June 22, 2005, 11:52:18 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
You gotta wonder why Joran's dad was telling him not to talk at that early date?  Unless he knew there was foul play, what would possess him to ask Joran to stay quiet? And, one of the brothers was doing the same.


Well nancy...I'm over an hour behind in posts, but I can tell you I would tell my son to keep his mouth shut, too.  We've all been around these kind of crimes on the forums for quite a few years. Right?
Just curious, what would you tell your son to do, spill his guts?  Don't think so.


I'm all for staying quiet...guilty or innocent.  However, as a mother putting myself in that situation my first instinct would be to help find a missing kid.  If I thought my child had info that could help...I'd sure encourage him to speak up.

This was very early in this case...long before the Dad would have known his son was a target.


I would ask PVDS if he agrees with what his wife said.

(Paraphrasing) That, if their son did something wrong, he should brought to justice.

(Does anyone have the exact quote from AVDS?)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 22, 2005, 11:52:26 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY The Texas Equosearch team was originally supposed to leave Tuesday night and now is not scheduled to arrive until Friday MORNING??????????????? :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

I heard it had to do with getting permission or clearance for the dogs to fly.


THANK U 8)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
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Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


In the beginning, she broke down a lot.  In interviews she would be fine for a minute and then she would cry.  I think the woman is surviving on pure adrenalin now.


I agree, she is doing what she has to do.  We all react differently in situations.  I personally admire her courage and ability to face each day strong and confident.  She would not accomplish anything if all she could do was blubber.

Oh, MBHS05.....from pictures I have seen, your friends are all very pretty.  Being pretty is not a curse or a sin.  Just remember not to let that beauty be only skin deep.


I've NEVER thought it was, of course!


I did not mean to offend........it was a compliment  (with a little advise tacked on to the end from someone who also has pretty friends who are also very nice)


Haha that's fine! But I seem to be being hounded by people who can't take a joke...eesh. So now I'm suspicious.  :shock:


I was pretty sure you were joking with the smilie you attached.

And by the way, I am glad you are having a good day!!!


Less copmuter, and more of my horse...it's great!

(I'm a jokey person...maybe smilies are the key to jokes...)


Title: Joran's Mom's telling phrases.
Post by: Hat on June 22, 2005, 11:52:33 PM
Very interesting choice of phrase to say "I still have my son..." this in sympathy for Natalee's mother. The word "still" kind of resonated in that context, as if a change in that status may come to be. And her comments regarding the polis having let the boys go rather than "interrogate them very deeply, thouroughly...&etc" (paraphrase).

Her faith is noble, I feel she fears very much for what may happen to her son, and what the truth may be.

If my daughter went missing, (she was wed Sat. eve). I would surely not be out of line to look up the last persons known to have seen her and ask of her whereabouts, would I? Just wondered if we are to remain motionless with our arms at our sides when family members may be kidnapped.

Not me. not ever. I would rip every bush on that island out by it's roots. I would smash every window in every building and look...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Courtney Cox is a beautiful person in Liberty Park!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:52:36 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
I'm fine, I'm slowly learning to step away from the computer. I went to see Mr & Mrs. Smith today and stayed for a bit at my friend's house.


That movie is just like RB and me, cept no brad pitt and no angelina, no guns, and we aren't assassins. But I think everything else.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: another monkey on June 22, 2005, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Pretty rude...must be bored, no hot news tonight.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 22, 2005, 11:52:49 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
I'm fine, I'm slowly learning to step away from the computer. I went to see Mr & Mrs. Smith today and stayed for a bit at my friend's house.


hey aruba girl!  do u get fox??
bill oreiily just diong show bit on like at kia
so....u didn't miss much!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 11:53:28 PM
Mountain Brook, is Far from the Wealthiest Suburb of Birmingham. It is now a cottage community for the up and coming. But there are TONS of BEAUTIFUL People that live there..if you know what I mean. Sorry GIRL but you stepped right into that one.....

GuyWdog...SpringHill Rd.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: scared-tom on June 22, 2005, 11:53:31 PM
Just got this from the Ian, our buddy who posts videos

Hey Guys:
 
You may be interested in this video:
 
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/22/1767/
 
Tito Lacle, a reporter from Aruba Today tells us what Joran changed.


Title: pretty is as pretty does
Post by: iquitos on June 22, 2005, 11:53:47 PM
what was it?  pretty is as pretty does?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 22, 2005, 11:54:03 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY The Texas Equosearch team was originally supposed to leave Tuesday night and now is not scheduled to arrive until Friday MORNING??????????????? :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:


I heard they ran into snafus trying to get the dogs into Aruba.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:54:17 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Courtney Cox is a beautiful person in Liberty Park!!


She has a house in Liberty Park? You kiddin' right? Not enough security. Greystone maybe  :wink: .


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2005, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: "Geraldosgirlfriend"
I think the Kalpoe brothers are pretty.

Is that in comparison to Geraldo?? :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 22, 2005, 11:54:50 PM
Florida_Mom - the local papers, similar to most media here as well, are not very reliable. One Aruban lawyer mentioned that since the system requires that the prosecutors keep info to themselves until trial, the papers have no real info and so make up even more scandalous things.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 22, 2005, 11:55:02 PM
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


::falls out of loft::: Ouch I hurt myself...

Woah! I thought that the other nite but wasn't sure!!!

Awwwwww


I get the feeling Cali is very happy she kept some potential PM's to herself right now... lol... love ya!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


ROFLMAO Tom!!


Title: Re: Malkin etc
Post by: Red on June 22, 2005, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
KackyLacky, Perforator, and Red:

RED:Yes, MM's post contains some points that I don't agree with, but also many others that are enlightening, from numerous sources. Also has lots of links to other sites that discuss case. We aren't the only game in town.

Kacky:
If you've read the book, I'll accept that opinion as an informed one. I've read it, I've lived in Japan ( long-term ), studied the topic widely, and realize she has a point. But, let's all remember that FDR was the architect of the Jap internment, ag the (nearly) sole dissent of a young Barry Goldwater.

Perforator:
There could be TONS of valuable info in what the MBHS kiddies know. It goes to her intentions, state-of-mind, etc. Definitely COULD help in finding her. Suppose nh confided in a classmate that she had a secret dream to go caving, or was pregnant, or was heavily into one or another drug. This would be predictive of her movements, conversations, malleability, and turn the search to some more specific locations, suspects, and theories. ALL info in a situ like this is good, mainly because we don't know its value until it has aged a bit. To cut off a productive avenue is silly and senseless, unless of course one is not interested in finding the missing person.

--MC


MM is far from what other have disparaged her as. She has always been a friend of the Monkey. However, you may want to take a look at the tone of her article. "We aren't the only game in town." You mean Scared Monkeys? We live in the blog world of MM and have linked and had stories linked by her. Trust me on this one ... when MM writes ..."If you are interested" that is not a positive comment.

No one claimed to be the only gig in town, this site has thrown out more names of blogs covering the story here, on radio & TV pieces. We link to many of them all the time on a daily basis.

We report on this to some how help in what ever way we can even if its to keep the story visible to the MSM does not move on without having this solved. Trust me when I say there are many that do not deem this a worthy story. Luckily Scared Monkeys (Tom & Red) thought enough to devote the time, energy and resources to do so.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:55:39 PM
Friend of Monkeys, no, we don't get Fox news. I think a lot of people are cursing this.

There is not a lot of love for the cable company.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: wantsanswers on June 22, 2005, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Courtney Cox is a beautiful person in Liberty Park!!


She has a house in Liberty Park? You kiddin' right? Not enough security. Greystone maybe  :wink: .


Not kidding, ask Sam at his deli in Homewood! She comes in all the time


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Mountain Brook, is Far from the Wealthiest Suburb of Birmingham. It is now a cottage community for the up and coming. But there are TONS of BEAUTIFUL People that live there..if you know what I mean. Sorry GIRL but you stepped right into that one.....

GuyWdog...SpringHill Rd.


Cottage? Crestline maybe.
THere's a lot of NICE people here if that's what you mean! Beautiful is a package...it ain't just the face!

Hmmm...North Woodridge.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 22, 2005, 11:57:09 PM
Richard Scrushy is/was a BEAUTIFUL Person..look what it (might) get him...LoL...



GuyWdog


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 22, 2005, 11:57:17 PM
ITA, Coco


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 22, 2005, 11:57:24 PM
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!

OK, been reading for hours trying to catch up, but to sum it up (in no particular order) we have:

1. The prison is not like mid. ex. and a new shiny one is about to open
2. They serve tea at the prison (so bizarre)
3. All 3 amigos are going to be put together and questioned
4. Last time all 3 were together was when they were first arrested
5. Joran wanted to talk to Beth and step dad 24 hours after Natalee last seen. dad there. mom not. joran gets snippy with beth.
6. joran wants to look for natalee with rest of island. dad says no.
7. there is a dump near or in back of the v.d. sloot house and a pond which hasn't been searched near the kalpoe home
8. there's a feud going on between the v.d. sloots and kalpoe family
9. we think deepak deals X and roofies
10. men in black (guards) from the soul after party may have kidnapped natalee and put her in a trunk to ship her to another island
11. Natalee meets Joran one or two days before end of trip -- at the casino in the H.I.
12. Joran gets in scuffle with Mnt. Brook. kids outside CnC on that last night
13. mamma sloot in denial about son. thinks he doesn't drink but may be she thinks he doesn't do drugs (greta interview unclear)
14. Aruban bloggers say Croes supplied Deepak with roofies which killed Natalee -- possible gang rape
15. Joran had sex with natalee and left her sleeping on the beach but didn't want to tell anyone he had sex with her because even though the dutch don't think having sex all the time is a bad thing, joran picks this time to feel embarrassed about it (?!)
16. dad holloway thinks papa v.d. sloot is involved
17. Deepak email letter is getting a big following

Have I missed anything?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: pybird on June 22, 2005, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "pybird"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "RB"
No, I rather enjoy this site

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started?  I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?


I never said I started anything!  RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve.  Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.


You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.


absolut, you speak the truth.  I was a member of the dried up forum, and witnessed all first hand.  It was very sad to watch.  I'd bet there are several of us here.

Sorry I'm so far behind in posting.  Been watching H&C, and Greta.


You have NO idea of what you speak!


I've never changed my hat and you know that.  I do what I'm saying/speak.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:57:46 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


Courtney Cox is a beautiful person in Liberty Park!!


She has a house in Liberty Park? You kiddin' right? Not enough security. Greystone maybe  :wink: .


Not kidding, ask Sam at his deli in Homewood! She comes in all the time


I never knew that! It's so funny when people ask our teachers "What was Courtney Cox like?" And they always say nice, normal, average girl! She seems like a super woman to me!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 22, 2005, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Geraldosgirlfriend"
I think the Kalpoe brothers are pretty.

Is that in comparison to Geraldo?? :wink:


lol.  In comparison to his stash.  :lol:

You have to talk to someone to know if they're pretty.  Maybe they're charismatic, intelligent...good drivers


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 22, 2005, 11:58:36 PM
mbhs05,

Will you please answer a quastion that i've never seen the answer to?  What were the scuffles about between Joran and the MB guys?

thanks!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Richard Scrushy is/was a BEAUTIFUL Person..look what it (might) get him...LoL...



GuyWdog


Not really...it appears that he's really selfish.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 22, 2005, 11:58:45 PM
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 22, 2005, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
mbhs05,

Will you please answer a quastion that i've never seen the answer to?  What were the scuffles about between Joran and the MB guys?

thanks!


I really don't know...I wasn't on the trip. Only those kids know what it was about.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 22, 2005, 11:59:44 PM
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


She may just be running on automatic pilot,  We also need to remember she may be trying to be strong for the rest of the family, and to keep her own sanity.


Been there - lost my 18 year old daughter in an automobile accident 3 1/2 yrs ago and in the immediate hours after I went into organization mode - control freak - kept telling my husband "This will not destroy our family" and then would make phone calls - called her boss, said she wouldn't be in in the morning -  called the 16 yr old who had caused the accident the next morning and told him I forgave him and it wasn't to ruin his life - not because I was a saint but because it was the right thing to do and it was on some weird TO DO LIST- over the next few days as the crowds gathered and people flew in from everywhere it was like a big party - so much support and reminiscing and having to prop up her peers - so much to do and organize - it got us through and out the other side - but can't imagine not knowing for so long - except I go back to the basic drive to be organized, do everything in proper sequence, leave nothing undone - the constant motion and thinking gives you pupose and numbs the pain.
So in a way I agree, she is on automatic pilot - it will be very tough if they find Natalee has perished because I think whatever has kept her going will evaporate in an instant and she will find she has been running on empty for too long  - on the other hand she may have limitless inner strength.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Friend of Monkeys, no, we don't get Fox news. I think a lot of people are cursing this.

There is not a lot of love for the cable company.


didn't u get fox the other night???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
mbhs05,

Will you please answer a quastion that i've never seen the answer to?  What were the scuffles about between Joran and the MB guys?

thanks!


I really don't know...I wasn't on the trip. Only those kids know what it was about.


Do you know Madison? If so it would be great if she would talk to Tom and Red like Dash did. Since she was a roomie.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 23, 2005, 12:01:10 AM
Writenow - thanks for the great recap.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 23, 2005, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
Just got this from the Ian, our buddy who posts videos

Hey Guys:
 
You may be interested in this video:
 
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/22/1767/
 
Tito Lacle, a reporter from Aruba Today tells us what Joran changed.


TOM PRETTY INCREDIBLE!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:01:26 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
mbhs05,

Will you please answer a quastion that i've never seen the answer to?  What were the scuffles about between Joran and the MB guys?

thanks!


I really don't know...I wasn't on the trip. Only those kids know what it was about.


Do you know Madison? If so it would be great if she would talk to Tom and Red like Dash did. Since she was a roomie.


Yeah...I do know her, but I don't want to ask her to do that. I know if she wants to keep making comments, she'll find a way.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Florida_mom on June 23, 2005, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: "coco"
Florida_Mom - the local papers, similar to most media here as well, are not very reliable. One Aruban lawyer mentioned that since the system requires that the prosecutors keep info to themselves until trial, the papers have no real info and so make up even more scandalous things.


Thanks coco.  I suspected that the information may not be reliable.  But since it was in the papers prior to the boys being arrested, and since there was some implications of sexual contact in the news media, I thought it might be possible the paper picked up the boys statements.  It does however, fit in with the theory of the date rape, and the boys all pointing to the beach.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 23, 2005, 12:01:56 AM
Friends of Monkeys, no Fox on cable. Sometimes Top 95 will air snippets, esp. if something bad is being said about Aruba. Or I go online and see if there are any videos.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:01:58 AM
:::: emerging from work :::: Evening, Monkeys. Last time I had a chance to look Rob and Kerin were hot on the trail of the company that provided security guards for the concert. Anything come of that? Any news since then. Sorry -- way too tired to read through all the posts since then.

Bullet pointed answers are fine.

thanks in advance for your tolerance :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
:::: emerging from work :::: Evening, Monkeys. Last time I had a chance to look Rob and Kerin were hot on the trail of the company that provided security guards for the concert. Anything come of that? Any news since then. Sorry -- way too tired to read through all the posts since then.

Bullet pointed answers are fine.

thanks in advance for your tolerance :lol:


Several of us may try them tomorrow. They are in Atlanta and closed before we really had a chance.


Title: Re: Separated at birth
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "rcjasinski"
(http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3305/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9hzxgoq.jpg)

(http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/pics/dumb/pics/dumb04.jpg)


WOW


ROFLMFAO!!!!!!  Holy moly, that's so funny!


someone have the patience to photoshop a blue plaid shirt onto that pic of jim carrey?  im still behind in my catching up....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Belle on June 23, 2005, 12:03:56 AM
Micheal wrote
   (is this made up to frame someone...?)



No.  Just things I remembered from the first report we had.
[/quote]


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 23, 2005, 12:04:04 AM
-mbhs05- Can I ask you a question? Why did you not go on the trip? Everyone I know that has children would NEVER had let their kids go on that trip, especially without Chaperones. Since it was NOT school sponsored. Was there a school sponsored trip planned for the seniors? Just questions, nothing insinuated by them. I hope Schrushy pays for his theft....he put lots of people out of work....and what about the Charlie's Angel ? Have you fogotten about her and her home town, take a look around she is NEAR-BY....

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: JNC on June 23, 2005, 12:04:44 AM
I'm so sick of the rumors and misinformation I can't stand it.  I'm saying a prayer for Nat at 12:10 EST and going to bed.  Please join me in a prayer if you'd like.  See you all in the AM.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:04:57 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!

OK, been reading for hours trying to catch up, but to sum it up (in no particular order) we have:

1. The prison is not like mid. ex. and a new shiny one is about to open
2. They serve tea at the prison (so bizarre)
3. All 3 amigos are going to be put together and questioned
4. Last time all 3 were together was when they were first arrested
5. Joran wanted to talk to Beth and step dad 24 hours after Natalee last seen. dad there. mom not. joran gets snippy with beth.
6. joran wants to look for natalee with rest of island. dad says no.
7. there is a dump near or in back of the v.d. sloot house and a pond which hasn't been searched near the kalpoe home
8. there's a feud going on between the v.d. sloots and kalpoe family
9. we think deepak deals X and roofies
10. men in black (guards) from the soul after party may have kidnapped natalee and put her in a trunk to ship her to another island
11. Natalee meets Joran one or two days before end of trip -- at the casino in the H.I.
12. Joran gets in scuffle with Mnt. Brook. kids outside CnC on that last night
13. mamma sloot in denial about son. thinks he doesn't drink but may be she thinks he doesn't do drugs (greta interview unclear)
14. Aruban bloggers say Croes supplied Deepak with roofies which killed Natalee -- possible gang rape
15. Joran had sex with natalee and left her sleeping on the beach but didn't want to tell anyone he had sex with her because even though the dutch don't think having sex all the time is a bad thing, joran picks this time to feel embarrassed about it (?!)
16. dad holloway thinks papa v.d. sloot is involved
17. Deepak email letter is getting a big following

Have I missed anything?


Maybe you and Cali and Dallas could get together and write one of these in this format like twice a day. We could put it several places.


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: CancunMole on June 23, 2005, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


This is a post that explains the bold above. Please keep in mind that the info above was from the original account.

Posted on: 11:38 pm, Jun 12, 2005 on TripAdvisor

This is interesting and I believe it has been a translation thing:
                DT Says:
               
                June 12th, 2005 at 11:09 pm
               
                Before the boys dropped allegedly dropped off Holloway at her hotel, they went to Arashi. At the beach Van der Sloot and Holloway were allegdly fooling* around in the backseat [*���vrijen��� cover a multitude of ---ual acts, from kissing to having ---.], while the brothers Kalpe were sitting in the front seat of the car. Van der Sloot already knew Natalee from the day before when they would have met in the casino of the Holiday Inn.
               
                ���������������
               
                This was from Riehl WOrld View, I think it explains the different reports regarding what happened in the car. If this was the word in the report from the suspects then we might not no the extent of the contact for some time.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arubagirl on June 23, 2005, 12:05:07 AM
Guys, I'm going to bed, as I've got work to do in the morning.

It was cool talking with everyone and MBH05, hang in there.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Guys, I'm going to bed, as I've got work to do in the morning.

It was cool talking with everyone and MBH05, hang in there.


nite arubagirl.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Geraldosgirlfriend on June 23, 2005, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


I have a lisp so when I say "sleuths and sleuthettes" it sounds like sluts and slutettes.  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:06:28 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Writenow - thanks for the great recap.


good news....dr phil is on jay leno....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:06:29 AM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
-mbhs05- Can I ask you a question? Why did you not go on the trip? Everyone I know that has children would NEVER had let their kids go on that trip, especially without Chaperones. Since it was NOT school sponsored. Was there a school sponsored trip planned for the seniors? Just questions, nothing insinuated by them. I hope Schrushy pays for his theft....he put lots of people out of work....and what about the Charlie's Angel ? Have you fogotten about her and her home town, take a look around she is NEAR-BY....

GuyWdog


I didn't go for financial reasons, but my parents probably would've said no anyway. It's been going on for 3 years, so they didn't say no immediately, but they were wary...they're very protective, 'cause I'm oldest and I'm a girl...the guinea pig child. There wasn't a school sponsored trip...our school does NOT do overnight trips. And I hope he does too...greed is a really bad vice.
Charlie's Angel? Huh?


Title: Re: Lurkers
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: "KKM"
“But they are reading it all check out the lurker numbers.”

You caught me and yes, I have been lurking most of the day, with my jaw on the floor I might add, for a number of reasons.

1.   I won’t post for fear of being attacked.
2.   I have no desire to get into the flaming going on tonight.  What began as such a fine group and support forum has quickly turned into a complete nightmare.
3.   FYI – the talk and “chat” on this board far surpasses ANYTHING I have heard here in town.  You have 2 scenarios – Natalee is alive or she’s not.  That really about sums it up and the only, and I mean only, thing we can do is support her family.

Another thing I find interesting is that I posted a couple of days ago offering to purchase the blue “Hope for Natalee” bracelets (the entire proceeds of which are going to help offset the family’s expenses) for anyone that wanted one.  One person asked me to do so.

I won’t leave.  I am just waiting for things to calm down.  If you saw Beth on Greta tonight, you may understand what a kind, compassionate and graceful woman she is.  I don’t know Natalee, but how could the apple NOT fall far from that tree?

I am speaking only for myself (not for anybody else in this community, her classmates or her family) in what I stated above.


Thanks for posting that.  Are YOU the guy that I thought mbhs05 was, lol?  Also a Dash neighbor?  Bless your heart about the bracelets.  I didn't know the response was so little.

Can you get Scared-Tom or Red to make you a sticky note for the top of the forum, with BIG LETTERS?

I can't buy anything or donate anything to anyone or from anyone and I'm very sorry about that, because any other time in my life I'd have been helping you out a bunch.  {{{Hugss}}}


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Guys, I'm going to bed, as I've got work to do in the morning.

It was cool talking with everyone and MBH05, hang in there.


Night!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 23, 2005, 12:07:55 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "writenow"
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!

OK, been reading for hours trying to catch up, but to sum it up (in no particular order) we have:

1. The prison is not like mid. ex. and a new shiny one is about to open
2. They serve tea at the prison (so bizarre)
3. All 3 amigos are going to be put together and questioned
4. Last time all 3 were together was when they were first arrested
5. Joran wanted to talk to Beth and step dad 24 hours after Natalee last seen. dad there. mom not. joran gets snippy with beth.
6. joran wants to look for natalee with rest of island. dad says no.
7. there is a dump near or in back of the v.d. sloot house and a pond which hasn't been searched near the kalpoe home
8. there's a feud going on between the v.d. sloots and kalpoe family
9. we think deepak deals X and roofies
10. men in black (guards) from the soul after party may have kidnapped natalee and put her in a trunk to ship her to another island
11. Natalee meets Joran one or two days before end of trip -- at the casino in the H.I.
12. Joran gets in scuffle with Mnt. Brook. kids outside CnC on that last night
13. mamma sloot in denial about son. thinks he doesn't drink but may be she thinks he doesn't do drugs (greta interview unclear)
14. Aruban bloggers say Croes supplied Deepak with roofies which killed Natalee -- possible gang rape
15. Joran had sex with natalee and left her sleeping on the beach but didn't want to tell anyone he had sex with her because even though the dutch don't think having sex all the time is a bad thing, joran picks this time to feel embarrassed about it (?!)
16. dad holloway thinks papa v.d. sloot is involved
17. Deepak email letter is getting a big following

Have I missed anything?


Maybe you and Cali and Dallas could get together and write one of these in this format like twice a day. We could put it several places.


I second that.  you could save me hours of catching up each day, I would be eternally grateful, and so would my family.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 23, 2005, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: "Geraldosgirlfriend"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


I have a lisp so when I say "sleuths and sleuthettes" it sounds like sluts and slutettes.  :shock:


Sweet :)


Title: Re: Malkin etc
Post by: scared-tom on June 23, 2005, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
KackyLacky, Perforator, and Red:

RED:Yes, MM's post contains some points that I don't agree with, but also many others that are enlightening, from numerous sources. Also has lots of links to other sites that discuss case. We aren't the only game in town.

Kacky:
If you've read the book, I'll accept that opinion as an informed one. I've read it, I've lived in Japan ( long-term ), studied the topic widely, and realize she has a point. But, let's all remember that FDR was the architect of the Jap internment, ag the (nearly) sole dissent of a young Barry Goldwater.

Perforator:
There could be TONS of valuable info in what the MBHS kiddies know. It goes to her intentions, state-of-mind, etc. Definitely COULD help in finding her. Suppose nh confided in a classmate that she had a secret dream to go caving, or was pregnant, or was heavily into one or another drug. This would be predictive of her movements, conversations, malleability, and turn the search to some more specific locations, suspects, and theories. ALL info in a situ like this is good, mainly because we don't know its value until it has aged a bit. To cut off a productive avenue is silly and senseless, unless of course one is not interested in finding the missing person.

--MC


MM is far from what other have disparaged her as. She has always been a friend of the Monkey. However, you may want to take a look at the tone of her article. "We aren't the only game in town." You mean Scared Monkeys? We live in the blog world of MM and have linked and had stories linked by her. Trust me on this one ... when MM writes ..."If you are interested" that is not a positive comment.

No one claimed to be the only gig in town, this site has thrown out more names of blogs covering the story here, on radio & TV pieces. We link to many of them all the time on a daily basis.

We report on this to some how help in what ever way we can even if its to keep the story visible to the MSM does not move on without having this solved. Trust me when I say there are many that do not deem this a worthy story. Luckily Scared Monkeys (Tom & Red) thought enough to devote the time, energy and resources to do so.


I concur


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
NOT Everyone in Mountain Brook is BEAUTIFUL. There is also GreyStone, Liberty Park, so the Beautiful people are spread out over the WEALTHY Map....of the "B'Ham"....Wasn't there a Song "beautiful people" ????



well you know, the wealthier you are, the better looking you are, right?


Um...


i thought you wanted to joke around?sheesh...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:09:21 AM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
Just got this from the Ian, our buddy who posts videos

Hey Guys:
 
You may be interested in this video:
 
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/22/1767/
 
Tito Lacle, a reporter from Aruba Today tells us what Joran changed.


TOM PRETTY INCREDIBLE!!!


Whoa -- this says Satish is the older brother?!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 12:09:28 AM
Sorry to hear about your lost sandy...

And you are absolutly right, you can`t judge people on how they behave if you`re never been in there situation.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: melrose on June 23, 2005, 12:09:42 AM
Quote from: "RB"
So Absolut is your husband/significant other/child/parent...whoa...maybe we shouldn't hide; now I am really confused :?Husband.  And a damned fine one at that, even if he just a young buck ;)


what a hoot!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 23, 2005, 12:09:54 AM
Thanks, think about it the Original Charlies Angel, she lives in-town her sister is in crestline, looks EXACTLY like her, now she's Kewl....take care and keep the faith...

nighty night

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:10:58 AM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Thanks, think about it the Original Charlies Angel, she lives in-town her sister is in crestline, looks EXACTLY like her, now she's Kewl....take care and keep the faith...

nighty night

GuyWdog


I don't know what the originals look like...sigh...how sad is that? I need to be pop culture educated.

Gernight!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 23, 2005, 12:11:33 AM
Sandy,

Sorry for your loss. You speculated on how difficult it will be for Natalee's mom if Natalee has perished. I hate to ask this but what would you recommend to help her recover if that is the result?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: GuyWdog on June 23, 2005, 12:11:37 AM
Quote
TubeRide - said-"i thought you wanted to joke around?sheesh..."


Yes say like DEMI MOORE,,,,the BEST BODY Money can buy.....ouch..HOT..


Guywdog, signing off


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:11:47 AM
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:12:26 AM
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:


Title: Re: Finally!
Post by: Sleeks on June 23, 2005, 12:13:28 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
DEFINITELY HAVE MUCH MORE HOPE NOW I think these people mean business - he wasn't at all a marshmallow when he was interviewed.  The man who is in charge (that is).  I was impressed.


Tim has "been there" with the disappearance of his own daughter, Laura.  She was one of several young women who went missing for months and even years and then were found buried in an area known NOW as the Killing Fields.

It's a rural area, but also residential--just homes spaced way apart.  It is kind of rundown housing.  Once I went with a girlfriend of mine to visit her elderly aunts for one of their birthdays.  As we got to the end of their road, to turn onto the smaller road in front of their houses, my friend pointed to the empty, overgrown lot on the corner and told me that was the Killing Field.

Accck, I immediately got the heebie-jeebies in the middle of the afternoon and they NEVER went away during the rest of the visit and party.  I asked both aunts and all their relatives why in the world they lived ACROSS THE STREET from that.  They said it didn't matter to them, the land and houses were cheap.

(Well, I *guess so*!)

Anyway, I went back there several times to visit and just couldn't shake the creeps--but then, I'm a sensitive soul to things like that.

I believe it was 17 months between Laura Miller going missing and her body being found, could be wrong.  She was a lucky one--by then, they were really paying attention to the missing girls and that area.

Our other outstanding SAR group here was also founded by the parents of a missing and murdered young girl named Laura--Smithers.  That is the Laura Recovery Group, which is older and larger, but doesn't use horses--in fact, they often work hand-in-hand with Tim's group.

*That* Laura was a classmate of one of my nieces and that struck closer to home, since it was in their neighborhood and they all searched for Laura.  The LRCF helped Laci Peterson's mom with their early searches, by organizing the volunteers--but they couldn't give more support than that (the volunteers were Modestans, not Texans imported to the scene) because they limit themselves to cases involving children.  (They made a small exception for Laci because of Connor being expected.)

More about all that later.  I've worked with both in my real work, with fund-raising, grantmaking and corporate giving.


THANK U SO MUCH FOR THE 411 So sorry in posting back so much later in the conversation. :oops:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:13:45 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "writenow"
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!

OK, been reading for hours trying to catch up, but to sum it up (in no particular order) we have:

1. The prison is not like mid. ex. and a new shiny one is about to open
2. They serve tea at the prison (so bizarre)
3. All 3 amigos are going to be put together and questioned
4. Last time all 3 were together was when they were first arrested
5. Joran wanted to talk to Beth and step dad 24 hours after Natalee last seen. dad there. mom not. joran gets snippy with beth.
6. joran wants to look for natalee with rest of island. dad says no.
7. there is a dump near or in back of the v.d. sloot house and a pond which hasn't been searched near the kalpoe home
8. there's a feud going on between the v.d. sloots and kalpoe family
9. we think deepak deals X and roofies
10. men in black (guards) from the soul after party may have kidnapped natalee and put her in a trunk to ship her to another island
11. Natalee meets Joran one or two days before end of trip -- at the casino in the H.I.
12. Joran gets in scuffle with Mnt. Brook. kids outside CnC on that last night
13. mamma sloot in denial about son. thinks he doesn't drink but may be she thinks he doesn't do drugs (greta interview unclear)
14. Aruban bloggers say Croes supplied Deepak with roofies which killed Natalee -- possible gang rape
15. Joran had sex with natalee and left her sleeping on the beach but didn't want to tell anyone he had sex with her because even though the dutch don't think having sex all the time is a bad thing, joran picks this time to feel embarrassed about it (?!)
16. dad holloway thinks papa v.d. sloot is involved
17. Deepak email letter is getting a big following

Have I missed anything?


Maybe you and Cali and Dallas could get together and write one of these in this format like twice a day. We could put it several places.


I am working on it absolut! lol Really really I just lagggg right now lol


Title: Re: Lurkers
Post by: nancy_drew on June 23, 2005, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "KKM"
“But they are reading it all check out the lurker numbers.”

You caught me and yes, I have been lurking most of the day, with my jaw on the floor I might add, for a number of reasons.

1.   I won’t post for fear of being attacked.
2.   I have no desire to get into the flaming going on tonight.  What began as such a fine group and support forum has quickly turned into a complete nightmare.
3.   FYI – the talk and “chat” on this board far surpasses ANYTHING I have heard here in town.  You have 2 scenarios – Natalee is alive or she’s not.  That really about sums it up and the only, and I mean only, thing we can do is support her family.

Another thing I find interesting is that I posted a couple of days ago offering to purchase the blue “Hope for Natalee” bracelets (the entire proceeds of which are going to help offset the family’s expenses) for anyone that wanted one.  One person asked me to do so.

I won’t leave.  I am just waiting for things to calm down.  If you saw Beth on Greta tonight, you may understand what a kind, compassionate and graceful woman she is.  I don’t know Natalee, but how could the apple NOT fall far from that tree?

I am speaking only for myself (not for anybody else in this community, her classmates or her family) in what I stated above.


Thanks for posting that.  Are YOU the guy that I thought mbhs05 was, lol?  Also a Dash neighbor?  Bless your heart about the bracelets.  I didn't know the response was so little.

Can you get Scared-Tom or Red to make you a sticky note for the top of the forum, with BIG LETTERS?

I can't buy anything or donate anything to anyone or from anyone and I'm very sorry about that, because any other time in my life I'd have been helping you out a bunch.  {{{Hugss}}}


KKM:

I never saw your info about the bracelets!  You have to remember the threads here get so long sometimes we miss things...I'd love to purchase a bracelet...or make a donation.  Maybe you should post the info again...yes, on a sticky!

Cheers to you!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:14:46 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.



thats how it started out, yes. i heard that from the beginnning.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Terry on June 23, 2005, 12:15:20 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:
Lol, am betting what ppl say hidden behind their keyboards, stay behind their keyboards.. :wink:  

Cute pic!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 12:15:52 AM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Reports from Aruban bloggers was that Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies (ruphynol) and it was Deepak that drugged Natalee. Was the plan to gang rape her? Reports were that she died from the drugs.


OK. Now THIS seems rather interesting. Inside info? any of our Aruba friends on? What's the scoop with this or did we cover this and I missed it. (S-t-i-l-l r-e-a-d-i-n-g)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:


Well the mascot carries whips and chains? Oh wait wrong site sorry.

People face to face seem to be more civil.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:
Lol, am betting what ppl say hidden behind their keyboards, stay behind their keyboards.. :wink:  

Cute pic!!


Let's hope so! Teehee.
Well we talked about masking, so that's my picture...but I shall remain MBHS in name.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 23, 2005, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:


U GO GIRL Very nice picture and don't ever be intimidated by ANYBODYIN THIS GROUP


Title: Re: Lurkers
Post by: DAG on June 23, 2005, 12:16:51 AM
Quote
I never saw your info about the bracelets!  You have to remember the threads here get so long sometimes we miss things...I'd love to purchase a bracelet...or make a donation.  Maybe you should post the info again...yes, on a sticky!


I did  not see the info on the braclets either, I would love to purchase one also................info??????

Thanks!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:


U GO GIRL Very nice picture and don't ever be intimidated by ANYBODYIN THIS GROUP


I is not easily intimidated, I tell ya.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:17:36 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


A crime forum uses those monikers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


HA HA wearing the now infamous, popular, white/blue plaid shirt every city!

Sorry I still have the visual of CnC and their monkey painted on the wall with Joran dancing in front of it LMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:18:58 AM
Writenow -- thanks for the summary. You must have been posting just as I posted my request.
Absolut -- thanks for the security guard update.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 23, 2005, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


YES, I said that I thought natalee would not be attracted to the kalpoe bros because they are ugly and it was implied that i was racist.  In fact I know a good looking man when I see one.   Even whiter than white Joran doesn't look that fetching to me.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:20:27 AM
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Sleeks on June 23, 2005, 12:20:31 AM
OK BOYZ, GIRLZ, FELLOW MONKEYZ - I must sleep at least for awhile == pleasant dreams.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:21:03 AM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


YES, I said that I thought natalee would not be attracted to the kalpoe bros because they are ugly and it was implied that i was racist.  In fact I know a good looking man when I see one.   Even whiter than white Joran doesn't look that fetching to me.


I'm confused??????


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 23, 2005, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:
Lol, am betting what ppl say hidden behind their keyboards, stay behind their keyboards.. :wink:  

Cute pic!!


Don't forget we need Monkey Tee shirts!


Title: Hottie Alert
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 12:21:46 AM
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 23, 2005, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Do you believe anything these guys say?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:22:05 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Weird cause most of us thought when fox said it, it was a mistake. HMMMMMMMM?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: columbo on June 23, 2005, 12:22:41 AM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "columbo"
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I dont know how I want her to act -but Laci 's mom and family by now were not that upbeat - they were teary eyed and weepy - her father certainly seemed like that earlier today - I mean I just find it odd that she is so perky - perky people always bother me - Joran's mother is crying and Beth is joking and perky? Now, that does not mean that I think they are guilty of anything it just seems odd!


Yep, this has bothered me as well, since the beginning. Not once has BH broke down or shown emotion. I'm not condemning her at all....she may be a strong woman who doesn't show her emotions, but IMO, her demeanor has been odd since the first day. Don't slam me, just seems odd....Van Der Sloot's mom is breaking down, crying and BH is laughing, upbeat.  Something is wrong with that picture, no? It could be BH has become used to the situation and is making the best of it, but I find it odd that she has never broken down.....even while describing Natalee. Just my 2 cents......


She may just be running on automatic pilot,  We also need to remember she may be trying to be strong for the rest of the family, and to keep her own sanity.


Been there - lost my 18 year old daughter in an automobile accident 3 1/2 yrs ago and in the immediate hours after I went into organization mode - control freak - kept telling my husband "This will not destroy our family" and then would make phone calls - called her boss, said she wouldn't be in in the morning -  called the 16 yr old who had caused the accident the next morning and told him I forgave him and it wasn't to ruin his life - not because I was a saint but because it was the right thing to do and it was on some weird TO DO LIST- over the next few days as the crowds gathered and people flew in from everywhere it was like a big party - so much support and reminiscing and having to prop up her peers - so much to do and organize - it got us through and out the other side - but can't imagine not knowing for so long - except I go back to the basic drive to be organized, do everything in proper sequence, leave nothing undone - the constant motion and thinking gives you pupose and numbs the pain.
So in a way I agree, she is on automatic pilot - it will be very tough if they find Natalee has perished because I think whatever has kept her going will evaporate in an instant and she will find she has been running on empty for too long  - on the other hand she may have limitless inner strength.


Sandy,

So sorry for your loss. :(  Thank you for sharing your story. It definitely opened my eyes as to what BH may be going through right now.  God Bless you and your family.


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:22:47 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:23:03 AM
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:
Lol, am betting what ppl say hidden behind their keyboards, stay behind their keyboards.. :wink:  

Cute pic!!


Don't forget we need Monkey Tee shirts!


Very much in the works currently look for an update soon from Red or Tom


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Terry on June 23, 2005, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
OK BOYZ, GIRLZ, FELLOW MONKEYZ - I must sleep at least for awhile == pleasant dreams.
Ditto that. Good night to all. May you all have a better tomorrow.

MBHS.... Keep your chin up gf.. Hugs..

WTerry


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:23:36 AM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


YES, I said that I thought natalee would not be attracted to the kalpoe bros because they are ugly and it was implied that i was racist.  In fact I know a good looking man when I see one.   Even whiter than white Joran doesn't look that fetching to me.


*thinking* Just because you "know a good looking man when you see one" doesn't exactly give me the impression they are "knowing a good woman" when they look at you.  :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Weird cause most of us thought when fox said it, it was a mistake. HMMMMMMMM?


Never saw it on Fox. Don't watch TV. Did Fox say it?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 23, 2005, 12:24:26 AM
Absolut - the video link is to the Fox interview.

And MBHS - great pic!


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: RB on June 23, 2005, 12:24:39 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


MB, god love you, I think it's great you would put your pic up.  One thing though:  some people who aren't as nice MIGHT want to pass your graduation face pasted on some not-so-nice body.  Just beeeeeeeee careful.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:25:18 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Weird cause most of us thought when fox said it, it was a mistake. HMMMMMMMM?


Never saw it on Fox. Don't watch TV. Did Fox say it?


yep right at the end of Greta it got to be a mess. Now I am a bit confused.


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


No, no, mbhs05...you don't want to get this crew started with that one...LOL...seriously!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 12:25:35 AM
I think Fox haven`t seen the Tickle sites of the brothers!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.

Deepak is older they made a HUGE mistake.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 23, 2005, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


YES, I said that I thought natalee would not be attracted to the kalpoe bros because they are ugly and it was implied that i was racist.  In fact I know a good looking man when I see one.   Even whiter than white Joran doesn't look that fetching to me.


*thinking* Just because you "know a good looking man when you see one" doesn't exactly give me the impression they are "knowing a good woman" when they look at you.  :?


That sort of sounds like an insult but I don't know why you would take offensive to that.  Please explain.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:26:03 AM
Quote from: "coco"
Absolut - the video link is to the Fox interview.

And MBHS - great pic!
Cool then everyone got to see the same thing.


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


No, no, mbhs05...you don't want to get this crew started with that one...LOL...seriously!


Actually, I just wanted to see if my "flag" was back...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Leslie Sprenger on June 23, 2005, 12:26:44 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Sleuths and sleuthettes! How's it going tonight?!


I would avoid that tag here :)


Huh? Why? Was there another war going on tonight I missed?


YES, I said that I thought natalee would not be attracted to the kalpoe bros because they are ugly and it was implied that i was racist.  In fact I know a good looking man when I see one.   Even whiter than white Joran doesn't look that fetching to me.


*thinking* Just because you "know a good looking man when you see one" doesn't exactly give me the impression they are "knowing a good woman" when they look at you.  :?


That sort of sounds like an insult but I don't know why you would take offence to that.  Please explain.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 23, 2005, 12:26:50 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:
Lol, am betting what ppl say hidden behind their keyboards, stay behind their keyboards.. :wink:  

Cute pic!!


Don't forget we need Monkey Tee shirts!


Very much in the works currently look for an update soon from Red or Tom


Best news I've heard all day!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
OK BOYZ, GIRLZ, FELLOW MONKEYZ - I must sleep at least for awhile == pleasant dreams.
Ditto that. Good night to all. May you all have a better tomorrow.

MBHS.... Keep your chin up gf.. Hugs..

WTerry


Gernight!


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


No, no, mbhs05...you don't want to get this crew started with that one...LOL...seriously!


Actually, I just wanted to see if my "flag" was back...

Hey Whitney!!!!!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Reports from Aruban bloggers was that Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies (ruphynol) and it was Deepak that drugged Natalee. Was the plan to gang rape her? Reports were that she died from the drugs.


OK. Now THIS seems rather interesting. Inside info? any of our Aruba friends on? What's the scoop with this or did we cover this and I missed it. (S-t-i-l-l r-e-a-d-i-n-g)
 

listen to the arubans, there are no secrets on a small island.  they won't talk to you if you don't repect them.  what language is the blog you are looking at?  any links?  

ALL: WHO WAS LEANING AGAINST THE CAR IN THE V/D SLOOT YARD WHEN "JUG" AND CO. CAME BACK FROM THE CASINO, DEEPAK OR SATISH?  I THINK WE GOT THIS SCENARIO FROM DAN REIHL.   COULD HIS INTERLOCUTORS BE AS CONFUSED AS "JUG"?


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


MB, god love you, I think it's great you would put your pic up.  One thing though:  some people who aren't as nice MIGHT want to pass your graduation face pasted on some not-so-nice body.  Just beeeeeeeee careful.


I just hope they aren't in here!

But it won't be staying up forever.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 23, 2005, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: "Yellow Ribbon"
Sandy,

Sorry for your loss. You speculated on how difficult it will be for Natalee's mom if Natalee has perished. I hate to ask this but what would you recommend to help her recover if that is the result?


My advice is not anything one would not hear from thousands of others - but keep in mind everyone thrown into a situation like this comes with a different set of baggage - for me, I somehow immediately was able to accept that one ounce of energy spent on thinking about what might have been was a waste - a sinful waste - it wasn't going to be and it was never meant to be - I celebrate my daughters life for what it had been in its short entirety - do not allow yourself to get bogged down in self pity.
The next thing we did as a family is set up a scholarship fund in her memory actually at a college she was accepted into,in the program she was going to take, so there is something lasting and worthwhile, something we as a family can focus on.
I try to keep in touch with her friends - they have been good about keeping me up to date on themselves and her peers. And if you are a friend - never be shy to talk to her parents - people are nervous about that but in fact we love to talk about her and welcome the opportunity - you should go out of your way to include reminiscences of her in your conversations - she should never be an 'invisible elephant' in the room.
Finally, someone told me after the funeral, someone who had lost a child - and my God there were so many of us in a club we never wished to be a member of - thy said 'She will always be in your heart' At the time I thought that was a throwaway line - something from a self help book - but in reality it is so true - my other children have their own lives and are doing things I hear about after the fact - but forever, my daughter will be with me all the time, when I hoover, when I travel, when I am at work - if I think of something funny I can talk to her right there - strange - but it is a blessing .
Sorry to have gone on so long.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 23, 2005, 12:29:59 AM
I just hope they aren't in here!

But it won't be staying up forever.


Good.  I have seen hijack pics over on several other boards, and it can get nasty.  Wasn't trying to tell you what to do, just lookin' out for you.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 12:30:20 AM
iquitos wrote:

Quote
ALL: WHO WAS LEANING AGAINST THE CAR IN THE V/D SLOOT YARD WHEN "JUG" AND CO. CAME BACK FROM THE CASINO, DEEPAK OR SATISH? I THINK WE GOT THIS SCENARIO FROM DAN REIHL. COULD HIS INTERLOCUTORS BE AS CONFUSED AS "JUG"?




I thought it was Satish iquitos, who leaned at the car


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:30:45 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.

Deepak is older they made a HUGE mistake.

Okay. It was the Aruban 'journalist' who said it and Greta repeated it, in the video I just watched -- which must be what absolut was referring to when he made the comment about Fox saying it.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:31:22 AM
Quote from: "RB"
I just hope they aren't in here!

But it won't be staying up forever.


Good.  I have seen hijack pics over on several other boards, and it can get nasty.  Wasn't trying to tell you what to do, just lookin' out for you.


No I'm glad you said that! I do want to watch out...but I don't even know what for! So thanks.


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:31:34 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


No, no, mbhs05...you don't want to get this crew started with that one...LOL...seriously!


Actually, I just wanted to see if my "flag" was back...

Hey Whitney!!!!!!!!


I just think the CA-types are appreciating each other.  ((((hello)))...actually CaliGirl is the official greeter of this board  Let's hear it for the CaliGirl!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:32:40 AM
Quote from: "Leslie Sprenger"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Do you believe anything these guys say?


 :!:  :!: not after word one!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:32:43 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Title: Re: Hottie Alert
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:33:12 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Itawamba"
mbhs05 -- Well, you ARE a girl, aren't you?  And what a doll!


I checked, and I'm positive I'm a girl! Haha.


No, no, mbhs05...you don't want to get this crew started with that one...LOL...seriously!


Actually, I just wanted to see if my "flag" was back...

Hey Whitney!!!!!!!!


I just think the CA-types are appreciating each other.  ((((hello)))...actually CaliGirl is the official greeter of this board  Let's hear it for the CaliGirl!


Aww thanks! I try.. sometimes I lag.. but I try to make sure everyone gets a greeting from someone  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: coco on June 23, 2005, 12:33:32 AM
Sandy ... those were wise words.

and time for me to get some sleep

'nite all!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 23, 2005, 12:33:34 AM
That was beautifully said.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RB on June 23, 2005, 12:33:46 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Must you scream, darling.  The caps are giving me a headache ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: "coco"
Sandy ... those were wise words.

and time for me to get some sleep

'nite all!


Gernight!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 12:34:46 AM
Thank you for sharing sandy





G`night coco..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Okay, this is the funny thing then...we know Deepak is older.  So, since that is the case then who is Joran now saying (according to Aruba sources on FOX) actually picked him up?  What he said was the Joran first said that Deepak the youngest one picked him up but Deepak denied that in group interrogation so Joran then said "no, Satish (the older one) picked me up".  The fact that they confused the names only confuses the story more.  I'm not listening to those people at all anymore!!!!  lol.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: DAG on June 23, 2005, 12:36:42 AM
Good night all.........sweet dreams.......remeber to say your prayers!!!

Debbie


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: "DAG"
Good night all.........sweet dreams.......remeber to say your prayers!!!

Debbie


Gernight!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 23, 2005, 12:37:23 AM
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 23, 2005, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: "sandy"
Quote from: "Yellow Ribbon"
Sandy,

Sorry for your loss. You speculated on how difficult it will be for Natalee's mom if Natalee has perished. I hate to ask this but what would you recommend to help her recover if that is the result?


My advice is not anything one would not hear from thousands of others - but keep in mind everyone thrown into a situation like this comes with a different set of baggage - for me, I somehow immediately was able to accept that one ounce of energy spent on thinking about what might have been was a waste - a sinful waste - it wasn't going to be and it was never meant to be - I celebrate my daughters life for what it had been in its short entirety - do not allow yourself to get bogged down in self pity.
The next thing we did as a family is set up a scholarship fund in her memory actually at a college she was accepted into,in the program she was going to take, so there is something lasting and worthwhile, something we as a family can focus on.
I try to keep in touch with her friends - they have been good about keeping me up to date on themselves and her peers. And if you are a friend - never be shy to talk to her parents - people are nervous about that but in fact we love to talk about her and welcome the opportunity - you should go out of your way to include reminiscences of her in your conversations - she should never be an 'invisible elephant' in the room.
Finally, someone told me after the funeral, someone who had lost a child - and my God there were so many of us in a club we never wished to be a member of - thy said 'She will always be in your heart' At the time I thought that was a throwaway line - something from a self help book - but in reality it is so true - my other children have their own lives and are doing things I hear about after the fact - but forever, my daughter will be with me all the time, when I hoover, when I travel, when I am at work - if I think of something funny I can talk to her right there - strange - but it is a blessing .
Sorry to have gone on so long.


Sorry for your loss Sandy, I lost my husband awhile back and what I noticed the most was that people are afraid to talk to you especially about the person you lost. They don't know what to say and don't want to upset you, when in reality you really need to talk about the person.  There are also support groups  just to help you go through the greiving process. There are several different stages.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:37:53 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Can you post it here?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CancunMole on June 23, 2005, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Tito said in on Greta tonite too. Methinks he got it backwards. Deepak is 21, Satish is 18.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Okay, this is the funny thing then...we know Deepak is older.  So, since that is the case then who is Joran now saying (according to Aruba sources on FOX) actually picked him up?  What he said was the Joran first said that Deepak the youngest one picked him up but Deepak denied that in group interrogation so Joran then said "no, Satish (the older one) picked me up".  The fact that they confused the names only confuses the story more.  I'm not listening to those people at all anymore!!!!  lol.


NO SHIT.
I'm going to bed. nite


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


MESSAGE RECEIVED.  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:38:33 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Is it Arina?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:38:45 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


I surely am glad that EVERYONE here had that collective ((((gasp)))) when the reporter "corrected" Greta that Satish was the "older"....I tried to look at the two others on the set...(by tape)...the policeman sort of looks away and swallows...and you could tell Greta was trying to close the show and you could hear her voice in-her-head thinking WTF but not really loud.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: sandy on June 23, 2005, 12:38:54 AM
Quote from: "Yellow Ribbon"
That was beautifully said.


Let me assure you life does return to a new normal, you have to work at it a bit.
The only other thing I would add - that was surprising to me - is how unbalanced the family feels - there is a physical undbalancing - people talk about a 'hole' - when you sign cards and put everyone's name on and suddenly it doesn't look right any more - no one can prepare you for that.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:39:00 AM
Nite FOM.   :D


Title: What did Joran's Mom really say?
Post by: Hat on June 23, 2005, 12:39:22 AM
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:52 pm    Post subject: Joran's Mom's telling phrases.    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Very interesting choice of phrase to say "I still have my son..." this in sympathy for Natalee's mother. The word "still" kind of resonated in that context, as if a change in that status may come to be. And her comments regarding the polis having let the boys go rather than "interrogate them very deeply, thouroughly...&etc" (paraphrase).

Her faith is noble, I feel she fears very much for what may happen to her son, and what the truth may be.

If my daughter went missing, (she was wed Sat. eve). I would surely not be out of line to look up the last persons known to have seen her and ask of her whereabouts, would I? Just wondered if we are to remain motionless with our arms at our sides when family members may be kidnapped.

Not me. not ever. I would rip every bush on that island out by it's roots. I would smash every window in every building and look...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 23, 2005, 12:39:44 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Can you post it here?


Here you go:

Just some theories and facts.. The case of Natalee was 100% being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. I bet you she is not even dead, she's probably running away because her parents are so strict and sooo overprotective, and she might have found somebody nice and ran away with him.. maybe she was also kidnapped because his father works in a very high position for the government.. how about that fact? .. Did you know that Natalee's mom came to aruba with FBI ONE day after natalee was lost.. I mean she had to have everything planned already.. She knew that this was going to happen to Natalee one day.. Natalee has known Joran Van Der Sloot almost three days before she dissapeared they've talked and hung around with each other by the hotel area of Holiday Inn (which was clearly stated by one of Natalee's classmate).. I've known Joran for 5 years now I'm forced to know everybody in my class because my school is such a small community and I only have 9 students in my senior class.. which includes joran in it.. He is a very easy going guy, I have never seen him hit a girl or fight with someone in all the 5 years I've been with him.. I am 100% confident that Joran is not capable of doing such a thing.. just like Natalee's mom is 100% that her daughter is an angel, and she will never get drunk/go out with strangers (Which I have seen her myself Friday and thursday night in carlos & Charlies 3 days before she dissapeared with her whole 130 classmates all fcuking wasted and fcuking drunks! dancing with locals, and grinding on stage with locals and friends (The media only show things that are positive for this girl and negative for aruba, there's are things that you've never heard before)) I mean what could be the chance that she went out with some guy? I think about 80% which she did soooo.. something is smelling very very fishy here, I know that if something goes lost here in Aruba they will definitely find it after a couple of days not after 23 days of her dissapearance, Aruba is a small island, and people/tourists cover the whole area of aruba 24/7 they cover the ground with tours and horse rides, they cover the water with jetskies and catamarans and boats.. because everybody enjoys all the beaches in Aruba, so what is the risk of losing something here and not finding it hmmm about 20%.. I'm 100% that she is on the run and she is not going to show up untill she runs out of money or ideas.. But I bet you also 100% that she will not show up here in Aruba, because I have heard rumors that she was making copies of her Passport (although her real one was found in her room at the hotel) she made it at a local store called Antracco which was confirmed by two different locals, both of them were grown female I heard them through the radio, and both confirmed that they saw somebody like Natalee in the same car wiht the Number plate V-237 Camry but eventually nobody wanted to follow up with the story because everybody think she's an angel and she's not going to do such a thing.. thus she probably sents somebody out wherever she was hiding to make a passport for her so she could get out of this country one way or another.. and I'm sure she doesn't want to show up here in Aruba because of all the angry locals that are here, just because a dumb blonde who doesn't know hot to drink got wasted and she probably got dropped off at the marriot and then did something really stupid.. About the MEDIA.. THE media Is fcuked UP! NBC and CNN are doing such a bad job at it, they just throw some news up without even confirming if it is true... then they want to say that aruba's all to blame because all the evidence and clue's were false WELL DUHH you fcuking cunts.. you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Okay, this is the funny thing then...we know Deepak is older.  So, since that is the case then who is Joran now saying (according to Aruba sources on FOX) actually picked him up?  What he said was the Joran first said that Deepak the youngest one picked him up but Deepak denied that in group interrogation so Joran then said "no, Satish (the older one) picked me up".  The fact that they confused the names only confuses the story more.  I'm not listening to those people at all anymore!!!!  lol.
 

MAYBE THEIR INFO IS BOGUS.  WOULD NOT BE FIRST TIME NOT YELLING JUST EASIER FOR ME TO SEE AND TYPE.  GUESS I CULD DO ALL LC BUT I AM PRACTICALLY BLIND.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:42:44 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Can you post it here?


Here you go:

Just some theories and facts.. The case of Natalee was 100% being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. I bet you she is not even dead, she's probably running away because her parents are so strict and sooo overprotective, and she might have found somebody nice and ran away with him.. maybe she was also kidnapped because his father works in a very high position for the government.. how about that fact? .. Did you know that Natalee's mom came to aruba with FBI ONE day after natalee was lost.. I mean she had to have everything planned already.. She knew that this was going to happen to Natalee one day.. Natalee has known Joran Van Der Sloot almost three days before she dissapeared they've talked and hung around with each other by the hotel area of Holiday Inn (which was clearly stated by one of Natalee's classmate).. I've known Joran for 5 years now I'm forced to know everybody in my class because my school is such a small community and I only have 9 students in my senior class.. which includes joran in it.. He is a very easy going guy, I have never seen him hit a girl or fight with someone in all the 5 years I've been with him.. I am 100% confident that Joran is not capable of doing such a thing.. just like Natalee's mom is 100% that her daughter is an angel, and she will never get drunk/go out with strangers (Which I have seen her myself Friday and thursday night in carlos & Charlies 3 days before she dissapeared with her whole 130 classmates all fcuking wasted and fcuking drunks! dancing with locals, and grinding on stage with locals and friends (The media only show things that are positive for this girl and negative for aruba, there's are things that you've never heard before)) I mean what could be the chance that she went out with some guy? I think about 80% which she did soooo.. something is smelling very very fishy here, I know that if something goes lost here in Aruba they will definitely find it after a couple of days not after 23 days of her dissapearance, Aruba is a small island, and people/tourists cover the whole area of aruba 24/7 they cover the ground with tours and horse rides, they cover the water with jetskies and catamarans and boats.. because everybody enjoys all the beaches in Aruba, so what is the risk of losing something here and not finding it hmmm about 20%.. I'm 100% that she is on the run and she is not going to show up untill she runs out of money or ideas.. But I bet you also 100% that she will not show up here in Aruba, because I have heard rumors that she was making copies of her Passport (although her real one was found in her room at the hotel) she made it at a local store called Antracco which was confirmed by two different locals, both of them were grown female I heard them through the radio, and both confirmed that they saw somebody like Natalee in the same car wiht the Number plate V-237 Camry but eventually nobody wanted to follow up with the story because everybody think she's an angel and she's not going to do such a thing.. thus she probably sents somebody out wherever she was hiding to make a passport for her so she could get out of this country one way or another.. and I'm sure she doesn't want to show up here in Aruba because of all the angry locals that are here, just because a dumb blonde who doesn't know hot to drink got wasted and she probably got dropped off at the marriot and then did something really stupid.. About the MEDIA.. THE media Is fcuked UP! NBC and CNN are doing such a bad job at it, they just throw some news up without even confirming if it is true... then they want to say that aruba's all to blame because all the evidence and clue's were false WELL DUHH you fcuking cunts.. you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM


Sigh. Well she didn't run away...he's pissed. I can't say I blame him, since his island is being attacked. BUt he's wrong about her.


Title: Video of "changing statements"
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 12:44:28 AM
Can any kind monkey give a breakdown of that video that explains Joran's supposed changing statements? The video doesn't work for this pc.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Okay, this is the funny thing then...we know Deepak is older.  So, since that is the case then who is Joran now saying (according to Aruba sources on FOX) actually picked him up?  What he said was the Joran first said that Deepak the youngest one picked him up but Deepak denied that in group interrogation so Joran then said "no, Satish (the older one) picked me up".  The fact that they confused the names only confuses the story more.  I'm not listening to those people at all anymore!!!!  lol.
 

MAYBE THEIR INFO IS BOGUS.  WOULD NOT BE FIRST TIME NOT YELLING JUST EASIER FOR ME TO SEE AND TYPE.  GUESS I CULD DO ALL LC BUT I AM PRACTICALLY BLIND.


i feel 4 u... u have been great with info. thanx :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:45:02 AM
arraba...good work...went to post the quote and you already had it...

I knew that'd be the case....just need to sit back and let you all do the work! LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: arrabba on June 23, 2005, 12:45:30 AM
mbhs05 - we know.  Everyone who knows her vouches for her.  She must be a very special person.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


MONKEYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF COLLECTIVE RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THIS.  DEEPAK IS THE ELDER.  SATISH IS THE YOUNGER.  YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.  TWO BRAINS ARE BETTER THAN ONE UNLESS THEY BOTH WORK FOR FOX NEWS.


Okay, this is the funny thing then...we know Deepak is older.  So, since that is the case then who is Joran now saying (according to Aruba sources on FOX) actually picked him up?  What he said was the Joran first said that Deepak the youngest one picked him up but Deepak denied that in group interrogation so Joran then said "no, Satish (the older one) picked me up".  The fact that they confused the names only confuses the story more.  I'm not listening to those people at all anymore!!!!  lol.
 

MAYBE THEIR INFO IS BOGUS.  WOULD NOT BE FIRST TIME NOT YELLING JUST EASIER FOR ME TO SEE AND TYPE.  GUESS I CULD DO ALL LC BUT I AM PRACTICALLY BLIND.


My thought exacly.  If they don't even know which brother is older, we know they aren't checking any facts before they talk.


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Did you guys know Satish is the older brother? That's what the Arubans said in the video link posted a couple of pages back. I thought all along it was Deepak.


Can't be. The Aruban LE gave birthdates for each when they were arrested. Deepak was older, 21. Plus we found Satish's website which said he was 18.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
mbhs05 - we know.  Everyone who knows her vouches for her.  She must be a very special person.


Like I've said, she's just a class mate, so I don't know her well...but that just goes to show...got such a good reputation! And believe me, the people that are mean are talked about mean! She was never one of those. A really nice girl.


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."



   OH PLEASE!!  I AM A MAJR TYPU!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:48:36 AM
I know how the Arubans feel. I grew up in Mississippi in the midst of the Civil Rights movement. My family wasn't racist - my dad was on the Citizen's Council 'watch list' for being a liberal. Yet when I met people from other places and told them where I was from, I was villified. I actually had someone take their hand away before shaking and say to me "that's the worst place I've ever been in my life." And I was supposed to work with this person?  I know what it's like to grow up with a stigma about the place you live. Yes, the racists deserved to be villified. No, not everyone in the state of Mississippi was that way.

Anyway, I absolutely can relate to the anger, hurt and frustration of the Arubans who know they are nice people and did nothing wrong. If this story has a bad ending, I truly do feel for what they will experience. It is only in the past year that I have actually mentioned the place I grew up and NOT had people cringe.

So, for what it's worth, I can understand the desperate frustration and anger the Arubans are expressing toward the media and anyone who raises the 'boycott' banner. I don't blame them.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: absolut on June 23, 2005, 12:48:41 AM
Night all.


Title: About Beth H-T
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 12:48:48 AM
I haven't had the benefit tonight of getting to see Beth, since I'm without cable, so I always have to rely on Monkeyposts to get my own impressions of what's going on with her.

Some have noted a "difference" in the past two days--maybe attributing it to the vdS visit or whatever.

Isn't Jug in Alabama?  I thought maybe that might have some bearing on things.  (Maybe she can break down more at night, alone, and be more refreshed in the daytime, instead of pushing, pushing and pushing a lot down.)

I wanted to mention Mark Lunsford as an example of a grieving parent having to do it all in public, as the horrible accounts of his daughter's disappearance and the search for her and the tragic results came about.

We all worried for him cause he was just the Energizer Bunny, going, going, going, everywhere.  Giving interviews, going before the legislature, making presentations for changes in sexual predator and sex offender laws, going to Washington, riding with biker friends to get the word out about these activities--all in Jessica's name.

One day he just told the reporter who asked him "how are you able to do all this?" - he said "Jessica's doing it, not me."

So, I think we see Natalee doing Beth's strengthening--and I don't mean I think she's *gone* - I mean there are no boundaries in the SPIRIT.


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 12:49:35 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."



   OH PLEASE!!  I AM A MAJR TYPU!!


*Laughing* You may be but the AP usually isn't.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 23, 2005, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.



    Nite-nite master.  sweet dreams.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
I know how the Arubans feel. I grew up in Mississippi in the midst of the Civil Rigths movement. My family wasn't racist - my dad was on the Citizen's Council 'watch list' for being a liberal. Yet when I met people from other places and told them where I was from, I was villified. I actually had someone take their hand away before shaking and say to me "that's the worst place I've ever been in my life." And I was supposed to work with this person?  I know what it's like to grow up with a stigma about the place you live. Yes, the racists deserved to be villified. No, not everyone in the state of Mississippi was that way.

Anyway, I absolutely can relate to the anger, hurt and frustration of the Arubans who know they are nice people and did nothing wrong. If this story has a bad ending, I truly do feel for what they will experience. It is only in the past year that I have actually mentioned the place I grew up and NOT had people cringe.

So, for what it's worth, I can understand the desperate frustration and anger the Arubans are expressing toward the media and anyone who raises the 'boycott' banner. I don't blame them.


Yeah...if I'm far from here I say I'm from Mountain Brook, beause no one knows where that is...but anytime I just say Birmingham...people make major assumptions. I know how they feel too. I DON'T think their police force is working well enough on this, and I don't think they started soon enough, but that doesn't mean they are bad people.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:50:12 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.


Night.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 12:50:34 AM
*shamelessly speed-reading and skipping over 30 pages of posts*

Hello everyone! After watching tonight's news I'm getting a positive feeling that this will be resolved soon!

I believe in K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple Stupid

The correct people are in custody. The 'additional arrests' alluded to by Mr. Holloway (seeing him brought tears to my eyes) include the VDS's (at least the dad), and Joran's friends and/or classmates.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:51:42 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.


Night.

Night, absolut. Hope you're not holding a grudge against me.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: "absolut"
Night all.


Nite absolut. Does this mean RB gets the whole place to herself? ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 23, 2005, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
mbhs05 - we know.  Everyone who knows her vouches for her.  She must be a very special person.


Like I've said, she's just a class mate, so I don't know her well...but that just goes to show...got such a good reputation! And believe me, the people that are mean are talked about mean! She was never one of those. A really nice girl.


Even though I understand there are some very good things about Dutch law, the secrecy is devastating as it forces lots of stories to be told that aren't true.  People try to come up with an explanation to such a horrible loss.

mhs05, how mature of you to understand the backlash coming from Aruba.  They are under a magnifying glass.  It's natural they want to defend their country...

I said earlier, there seems to be NO reason to question Natalee's character.  The three people in jail who all lied, and are the last to see her. They are the ones to question and focus on...not Natalee.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Charlie's Angel? Huh?


Original Charlie's Angel Kate Jackson is from Mnt. Brook area. My cousin was "pinned" to her when she lived there.


Title: technical difficulties
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:52:29 AM
sorry, this is an excerpt from the aruban poster:   ... you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..end excerpt ffrom aruban poster (too long to quote whole thing)  

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM[/quote]  

this is iquitos:  GREAT POST WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT PERCEPTIONS EARLIER.  THE ARUBANS ARE A GNAT WITH AN ELEPHANT FOOT COMING DOWN ON THEM AND THEY ARE FIGHTING BACK.  THEY CANT DIGEST THIS ATTENTION AND SCRUTINY, YES CRITICiSM AND BLAME.  FOR US IT IS JUST A NEWS STORY.  TO THEM IT IS THEIR NATIONAL PRIDE.  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS, THeRE ARE NON SECRETS ON A SMALL ISLAND.


Title: Re: About Beth H-T
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 12:53:54 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Some have noted a "difference" in the past two days--maybe attributing it to the vdS visit or whatever.

Isn't Jug in Alabama?  I thought maybe that might have some bearing on things.  (Maybe she can break down more at night, alone, and be more refreshed in the daytime, instead of pushing, pushing and pushing a lot down.)

Jug was in Alabama for 1 (or 2?) day(s). He's back in Aruba tonight - he was interviewed live from Aruba by Greta.

The 'difference' in demeanor on Natalee's family side started since they retained a lawyer to help them navigate through the system - now they know how much they can or cannot say to the media.

But they're doing a stellar effort of keeping the story (thus the pressure) out there to solve this case as soon as possible.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:53:57 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
... you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM
 

GREAT POST WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT PERCEPTIONS EARLIER.  THE ARUBANS ARE A GNAT WITH AN ELEPHANT HUMAN FOOT COMING DOWN ON THEM AND THEY ARE FIGHTING BACK.  THEY CANT DIGEST THIS ATTENTION AND SCRUTINY, YES CRITICSM AND BLAME.  FOR US IT IS JUST A NEWS STORY.  TO THEM IT IS THEIR NATIONAL PRIDE.  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS, THRE ARE NON SECRETS ON A SMALL ISLAND.[/quote]

I missed something. Is it you saying she's alive and running, Iquitos?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: lee on June 23, 2005, 12:54:16 AM
I don't blame the regular working for a living stiffs in Aruba....their livelihood is being threatened, and their island "invaded" by gringos....


but they better get it figured out pretty quick...their polis seem to be doing everything they can to protect little Joran and his gang....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: nancy_drew on June 23, 2005, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
*shamelessly speed-reading and skipping over 30 pages of posts*

Hello everyone! After watching tonight's news I'm getting a positive feeling that this will be resolved soon!

I believe in K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple Stupid

The correct people are in custody. The 'additional arrests' alluded to by Mr. Holloway (seeing him brought tears to my eyes) include the VDS's (at least the dad), and Joran's friends and/or classmates.


How do you think this will be resolved?  It was reported today that the interrogations have stopped for the time being.  If they want to have further sessions with the boys they have to be brought to a police station again.  Also, it was reported they are bringing in behavioral interrogation specialists.

Do you think they are at a point where the three can be "broken"?  I hope you're right about a quick resolution.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 12:56:38 AM
Quote from: "lee"
I don't blame the regular working for a living stiffs in Aruba....their livelihood is being threatened, and their island "invaded" by gringos....


but they better get it figured out pretty quick...their polis seem to be doing everything they can to protect little Joran and his gang....


We really don't know that.  We know that in our opinion and the opinion of most they should have detained these guys sooner and searched their homes and cars sooner.  But from what I gather the interrogations have been rather brutal and the living conditions leave a lot to be desired.  I may be wrong, but it does not seem as if anyone is taking it easy on the 3 of them now.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tcumom on June 23, 2005, 12:57:01 AM
itawamba - please check your pm concerning equusearch


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 12:57:49 AM
Quote from: "lee"
I don't blame the regular working for a living stiffs in Aruba....their livelihood is being threatened, and their island "invaded" by gringos....


but they better get it figured out pretty quick...their polis seem to be doing everything they can to protect little Joran and his gang....


Yes, lee, that's why I decided to use the Aruba flag...give a little support for this island nation from afar.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 12:57:54 AM
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 12:59:40 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm

The one I was asking Iquitos about?

Or do you mean the long tirade from Riehl World?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:00:03 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "absolut"
I am thinking with 900 people on the forums we are gonna need to have Monkey Parties in cities across America. Requirements would be like a you have to take pics and have a great time. The mascot could fly from city to city. WAHOOOOOO


Yeah but would everyone play nice?  :roll:


Let's hope so.  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:00:28 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That one zoomed right  over my head...saw references to larissa last night...

EXPLAIN YOURSELF, YOUNG LADY!... :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:01:25 AM
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:01:52 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm

The one I was asking Iquitos about?

Or do you mean the long tirade from Riehl World?


Long tirade


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: natfortplum on June 23, 2005, 01:01:52 AM
Hello all,
Long time lurker, but first time poster. I would prefer to only lurk, but felt compelled to speak about Beth's strength. Having dealt with a lot of loss in my life, I understand her. And, Sandy, I'm sure you  will understand this also, the Lord gives you incredible strength when you need it most. It is all the prayers that is giving her all the strength she needs right now.
Also, anyone find Anita's comments about Joran saying he would kick Natalee's butt in front of her mother a bit disturbing?
OK, back to lurking ...thanks for all the wonderful info.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 01:02:29 AM
Quote
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head). The rows are obvious in all of his photos



huh. :shock:  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 01:02:36 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


Title: the interview
Post by: mia on June 23, 2005, 01:03:24 AM
At one point she started crying and said that Joran had told her not to worry, everything would be alright, and the truth would come out.  He also said, someone (a guard maybe) had given him a bible and he had been reading it.  She was wearing one (or 2) of the bracelets that had been given to her by Natalee's mom.  She is really concerned and praying for Natalee to be found.   She knows how terribly hard it must be for Natalee's mom, yet her heart is breaking for her own child, because she believes 200% that he is not guilty.

I believe that show may air again at 3 am, but not sure.  The transcript can probably be found at foxnews.com.

Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "luna"
nancy...what did you mean about Ms VDS seeming to imply Joran's guilt?

What did you hear and what show was it on?


They just had a clip of her speaking, it was on Nancy Grace.  She started out by describing him as a normal 17 year old...blah...blah...blah....THEN she started saying, "It could happen to any kid, we raise them, love them...."  She said more and I'm REALLY paraphrasing....but, the tone changed. If someone else saw it please post...I didn't see the whole thing, and her accent my have thrown me off.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:03:34 AM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
How do you think this will be resolved?  It was reported today that the interrogations have stopped for the time being.  If they want to have further sessions with the boys they have to be brought to a police station again.  Also, it was reported they are bringing in behavioral interrogation specialists.

Do you think they are at a point where the three can be "broken"?  I hope you're right about a quick resolution.


- Equusearch team on the ground --> greater probability of finding a body (sorry for being blunt) or ruling out that she's on the island (my gut feeling is that she's in the water, weighted down)

- FBI behavioural specialists being brought in --> Aruban authorities giving greater leeway to the FBI (I think they still haven't cracked these kids thoroughly)

- All parents involved going 'on the record', will catalyse the investigation ( I get the feeling Natalee's parents ALL believe the elder VDS is hiding information)

I may have missed some things along the way, but that's it in a nutshell. This has been going on too long. Natalee's dad praised the Aruban authorities tonight on FOX. IMHO, he's allowing them to 'save face', while they give more leeway to the FBI. Bashing Aruban LE (as they may have done in the past) does them more harm than good.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:03:47 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Hello all,
Long time lurker, but first time poster. I would prefer to only lurk, but felt compelled to speak about Beth's strength. Having dealt with a lot of loss in my life, I understand her. And, Sandy, I'm sure you  will understand this also, the Lord gives you incredible strength when you need it most. It is all the prayers that is giving her all the strength she needs right now.
Also, anyone find Anita's comments about Joran saying he would kick Natalee's butt in front of her mother a bit disturbing?
OK, back to lurking ...thanks for all the wonderful info.


Welcome to the "other side".  Don't go back so soon!!   :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 01:04:22 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


I don't know. Out here on the left coast, a lot of kids shave their heads. Pretty much anything seems to go these days. Don't know how it is in the Caribbean.

You sure those are hair plugs and not just the way his hair looks when it's gelled and spiked?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: lee on June 23, 2005, 01:04:29 AM
Isquitos.........you intrigue me....

what else are the Aruban forums saying?......does anyone really think that Natalee is alive?....

if she is alive and hiding somewhere , I will rejoice......then give her a swift kick in the rump.....lol


have you figured out why Joran won't fess up yet?......we'd like this all to end....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.
If JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 01:06:05 AM
Quote from: "lee"
Isquitos.........you intrigue me....

what else are the Aruban forums saying?......does anyone really think that Natalee is alive?....

if she is alive and hiding somewhere , I will rejoice......then give her a swift kick in the rump.....lol


have you figured out why Joran won't fess up yet?......we'd like this all to end....


Yeah -- Iquitos -- come back and post more please.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: dragonfly on June 23, 2005, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.


I noticed it everytime I looked at that one picture where he has it gelled to the max and thought it looked like a babydoll's hair.  But hate to pick apart someone's physical features so I didn't dwell on it.  But I have noticed it looks strange.   :?


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 01:07:27 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

Joran's parents say he's innocent. Story on MSNBC.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:08:24 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right ;) If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "arrabba"
FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Can you post it here?


Here you go:

Just some theories and facts.. The case of Natalee was 100% being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. I bet you she is not even dead, she's probably running away because her parents are so strict and sooo overprotective, and she might have found somebody nice and ran away with him.. maybe she was also kidnapped because his father works in a very high position for the government.. how about that fact? .. Did you know that Natalee's mom came to aruba with FBI ONE day after natalee was lost.. I mean she had to have everything planned already.. She knew that this was going to happen to Natalee one day.. Natalee has known Joran Van Der Sloot almost three days before she dissapeared they've talked and hung around with each other by the hotel area of Holiday Inn (which was clearly stated by one of Natalee's classmate).. I've known Joran for 5 years now I'm forced to know everybody in my class because my school is such a small community and I only have 9 students in my senior class.. which includes joran in it.. He is a very easy going guy, I have never seen him hit a girl or fight with someone in all the 5 years I've been with him.. I am 100% confident that Joran is not capable of doing such a thing.. just like Natalee's mom is 100% that her daughter is an angel, and she will never get drunk/go out with strangers (Which I have seen her myself Friday and thursday night in carlos & Charlies 3 days before she dissapeared with her whole 130 classmates all fcuking wasted and fcuking drunks! dancing with locals, and grinding on stage with locals and friends (The media only show things that are positive for this girl and negative for aruba, there's are things that you've never heard before)) I mean what could be the chance that she went out with some guy? I think about 80% which she did soooo.. something is smelling very very fishy here, I know that if something goes lost here in Aruba they will definitely find it after a couple of days not after 23 days of her dissapearance, Aruba is a small island, and people/tourists cover the whole area of aruba 24/7 they cover the ground with tours and horse rides, they cover the water with jetskies and catamarans and boats.. because everybody enjoys all the beaches in Aruba, so what is the risk of losing something here and not finding it hmmm about 20%.. I'm 100% that she is on the run and she is not going to show up untill she runs out of money or ideas.. But I bet you also 100% that she will not show up here in Aruba, because I have heard rumors that she was making copies of her Passport (although her real one was found in her room at the hotel) she made it at a local store called Antracco which was confirmed by two different locals, both of them were grown female I heard them through the radio, and both confirmed that they saw somebody like Natalee in the same car wiht the Number plate V-237 Camry but eventually nobody wanted to follow up with the story because everybody think she's an angel and she's not going to do such a thing.. thus she probably sents somebody out wherever she was hiding to make a passport for her so she could get out of this country one way or another.. and I'm sure she doesn't want to show up here in Aruba because of all the angry locals that are here, just because a dumb blonde who doesn't know hot to drink got wasted and she probably got dropped off at the marriot and then did something really stupid.. About the MEDIA.. THE media Is fcuked UP! NBC and CNN are doing such a bad job at it, they just throw some news up without even confirming if it is true... then they want to say that aruba's all to blame because all the evidence and clue's were false WELL DUHH you fcuking cunts.. you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM


Funny how that last part sounds EXACTLY like some posts from our own little iquitos.

Iquy, were you in Joran's class?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 01:10:29 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right ;) If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


LOL, I have no idea. Just that someone said PVS is bald and JVS has hairplugs (which I don't think he does).  And a costly education ought to be good for something, dammit. So.... :)

Can anyone give a quick summary of that video on Joran's changed testimony, pretty please? TIA.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 01:11:28 AM
“I’m optimistic,” Dave Holloway said during an interview with Associated Press Television News. “The FBI indicated to me that the (Aruban) police are very adequate and doing a good job. “

Dave Holloway said he also believed the three young men held the key to his daughter’s disappearance.

“These three guys cannot commit a perfect crime,” he said.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.


Yeah Whitney. I've seen a lot of men with them especially when they are a work in progress.  The doctor transplants the hair in plugs in rows. There are definite plugs of rows in JVPs head.  I've noticed them in every photo that I've seen of him.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:14:18 AM
everyone getting their JVS pictures out and blowing up the head parts


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:14:53 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That's what I forgot. Who is this Larissa who apparently had many photos with Joran?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 01:15:04 AM
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 01:15:26 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.
 

The above quote was taken from AM Aruba, the publication that ran the piece.  The typo may be theirs.  AP does not do typos. I saw this  AP  dispatch elsewhere but the sex was quickly removed and disappeared but the "eating and dancing" at carlos and charlies persisted.   I have no doubt this was the AP dispatch.  It is what got me into this thing.  I cannot vouch for its accuracy but they were the first on the story and carried it alone for the first few days, except perhaps for the Alabama papers which I have not thought to read although they have done some excellent work.  can you hear me?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:16:29 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Can anyone give a quick summary of that video on Joran's changed testimony, pretty please? TIA.


3 suspects brought in the same room to be interrogated together.

JVDS concurs with the brothers' reported statement that he was dropped off with Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach

JVDS reportedly says that he called Deepak an hour later to come pick him up

Deepak reportedly says: "Why are you lying"

At which point JVDS says, "Right, it was Satish!"

WTF?!?  Of course, this comes from a 'reliable source', reported from FOX News.

We don't know where Natalee pictures in the above scenario.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: chloe2 on June 23, 2005, 01:16:29 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That's what I forgot. Who is this Larissa who apparently had many photos with Joran?


Oh I remember Larissa. I believe from what I read on his various Web sites she was just a good friend. I think I remember reading some comments from her, but all those sites have blended together in my feeble memory now.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:16:33 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)

"I went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That's what I forgot. Who is this Larissa who apparently had many photos with Joran?


Larissa seems to be a very close to him. They have a lot of pictures together as well as Larissa just seeming to show up in any photos we post.. ie Soul Beach Fest.. Shasha etc etc lol

it's just a funny we make.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:16:57 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


you still looking for Larissa??  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: WonderWoman on June 23, 2005, 01:17:05 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)



How fitting that it looks like the BIG MONKEY(s) is wrapping its hands around him.....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)

"I went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

LMAO I think I almost peed myself!!!!!!

Hi 6prs!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:17:54 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


Call it intuition MB, but I think JVS is a narcissist. Jeffrey McDonald is a text book case of a narcissist. He knocked off his entire family in Fort Bragg NC many years ago.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: lee on June 23, 2005, 01:18:15 AM
if Dave H. believes that the polis are doing okay, then I will too....


I know I haven't caught all the tv shows. but I certainly have seen little of Dave H., even though I know he has been down there doing the dirty work....

God bless him and his family and Nat too....hope we find her soon....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:18:28 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


you still looking for Larissa??  :D


Someone described her as "where's Waldo" LMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LostinTime on June 23, 2005, 01:18:33 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)


that's a trip! LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: WonderWoman on June 23, 2005, 01:18:52 AM
and no wonder he didn't want to dance.....LOL

White boy, no rhythm....looks like my ex dancing!!!
J/K of course!!
 :P


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:18:57 AM
Hi guys
sorry for lurking but trying to read all the back-posts....
and waiting for baby to get up again.... grrrrr


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:19:28 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


Call it intuition MB, but I think JVS is a narcissist. Jeffrey McDonald is a text book case of a narcissist. He knocked off his entire family in Fort Bragg NC many years ago.


Let's not bring up Jeffrey McDonald. That is a discussion you don't wanna start with me believe ME!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:19:29 AM
:::thinking Cali may actually be Larissa::::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:20:21 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
:::thinking Cali may actually be Larissa::::



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  lol

Damn I have been caught! lol jk


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:21:14 AM
A thought crossed my mind today that maybe it was PVS that picked up Joran after he and Nat were dropped off and that maybe dad and son shared her...
sick thought but may explain PVS's nervousness (and his wife WAS out of town remember?)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 01:21:30 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Can anyone give a quick summary of that video on Joran's changed testimony, pretty please? TIA.


3 suspects brought in the same room to be interrogated together.

JVDS concurs with the brothers' reported statement that he was dropped off with Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach

JVDS reportedly says that he called Deepak an hour later to come pick him up

Deepak reportedly says: "Why are you lying"

At which point JVDS says, "Right, it was Satish!"

WTF?!?  Of course, this comes from a 'reliable source', reported from FOX News.

We don't know where Natalee pictures in the above scenario.


Thanks a bunch.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:21:33 AM
also wondering WTH I am still doing in this forum when I have to drive halfway across TX in a few hours!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:21:57 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
A thought crossed my mind today that maybe it was PVS that picked up Joran after he and Nat were dropped off and that maybe dad and son shared her...
sick thought but may explain PVS's nervousness (and his wife WAS out of town remember?)


That just gave me a bad visual!!

::cringe:::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:22:35 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
also wondering WTH I am still doing in this forum when I have to drive halfway across TX in a few hours!


lol Cause your an addict!!!!!!! lol Just like us!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 23, 2005, 01:22:39 AM
Re hair plugs....I personally don't think so!

I found this link to some Joran pics....and if you notice the guy with the creepy red eyes in the upper right of the first pic has the same hair do....hair combed forward and gelled and even spaced....that I've seen Joran with.

http://www.martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran.html

And if you look at all of them, you'll see a full head of hair near the bottom with his family.

PS.....I know the third photo down with the tie/leash around the other boy has been posted before.  Am I the only one who thinks the smaller kid might not be acting???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:22:48 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That's what I forgot. Who is this Larissa who apparently had many photos with Joran?


Larissa seems to be a very close to him. They have a lot of pictures together as well as Larissa just seeming to show up in any photos we post.. ie Soul Beach Fest.. Shasha etc etc lol

it's just a funny we make.


So that's ::Larissa:: on the T-shirt!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:23:15 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


I don't know. Out here on the left coast, a lot of kids shave their heads. Pretty much anything seems to go these days. Don't know how it is in the Caribbean.

You sure those are hair plugs and not just the way his hair looks when it's gelled and spiked?


Yep. Hair doesn't grow in plugs and rows. Natural hair is very close together - like the pores of our skin. One can't spike the root of their hair and form those precise rows like he has.

He inherited the baldness from his father of course, but he got it early - at 17. Sometimes that premature baldness happens to male teens.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:23:25 AM
OK 6 prs....THAT IS SICK






 :shock:


LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:24:03 AM
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 01:24:15 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote
He inherited the baldness from his father of course, but he got it early - at 17.


Genetically impossible.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: lee on June 23, 2005, 01:24:18 AM
6pak....I was thinking along those lines as well....daddy having a fling and sonny just following along.....

daddy can't be too truthul because mommy would be hysterical and at the same time, has to protect his little protoge...

I think more and more that Big Daddy holds the key......


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:24:26 AM
:::changing topic::::

Kerin your eye is soooo puuurrrtttyyy!!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:25:16 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::changing topic::::

Kerin your eye is soooo puuurrrtttyyy!!!!!


thanks Cali ::::winking at you:::::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 01:25:35 AM
Quote from: "luna"
Re hair plugs....I personally don't think so!

I found this link to some Joran pics....and if you notice the guy with the creepy red eyes in the upper right of the first pic has the same hair do....hair combed forward and gelled and even spaced....that I've seen Joran with.

http://www.martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran.html

And if you look at all of them, you'll see a full head of hair near the bottom with his family.

PS.....I know the third photo down with the tie/leash around the other boy has been posted before.  Am I the only one who thinks the smaller kid might not be acting???


blue plaid count: 3


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:25:55 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


:::thinking really hard:::::

 :? No I don't! Where was this??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:26:16 AM
wait...that isn't like the line in Deliverance about the guy having the purty mouth is it??  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 01:26:42 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::changing topic::::

Kerin your eye is soooo puuurrrtttyyy!!!!!


---dont forget disturbing....always watching..."peepers to watch"-mr.burns


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 23, 2005, 01:27:08 AM
tuberide...I noticed that too!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:27:13 AM
this is what my eyes look like
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

wait - I'M not the runaway bride am I......


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:27:18 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::changing topic::::

Kerin your eye is soooo puuurrrtttyyy!!!!!


---dont forget disturbing....always watching..."peepers to watch"-mr.burns


It hypnotizes me LMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:27:50 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.
If JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.


OK. Thanks for the genetic lesson LilOrphan. I forgot how that went. But I'm certain those are plugs.  Not that they necessarily have anything to do with the case -- but food for thought.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


:::thinking really hard:::::

 :? No I don't! Where was this??
Point Reyes...it's still unsolved...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: mbhs05 on June 23, 2005, 01:28:39 AM
Well I'm off to get some sleep. Good night ya'll! Let's hope tomorrow is better!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:29:00 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::changing topic::::

Kerin your eye is soooo puuurrrtttyyy!!!!!


---dont forget disturbing....always watching..."peepers to watch"-mr.burns


so now I am disturbing???

:::ignoring Tubey::::


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:29:08 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


:::thinking really hard:::::

 :? No I don't! Where was this??
Point Reyes...it's still unsolved...


lol I fell really uninformed and stupid but umm where is Point Reyes? lol ::putting head down::: Is that up North?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


:::thinking really hard:::::

 :? No I don't! Where was this??


On a beach somewhere there in CA
They were on their way to a church camp or something, musta spent the night on the beach andwere both shot

anywho, the guy was from here
wondered if they ever caught who did it but NEVERMIND :roll:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

Joran's parents say he's innocent. Story on MSNBC.


Parents of Aruba suspect say he is innocent. Mother of 17-year-old
calls case ‘big nightmare’

Ahh Mrs VDS, probably not as big a nightmare it is for the Holloway & Twitty's.

Here we go again with that perception thing again. Your son was one of three people to last be seen with Natalee. Paul VDS tells his son to stop talking about the situation of a missing girl and some how your son is the victim.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 01:30:12 AM
goodnight msnbc5


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:30:58 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl

remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?


:::thinking really hard:::::

 :? No I don't! Where was this??
Point Reyes...it's still unsolved...


lol I fell really uninformed and stupid but umm where is Point Reyes? lol ::putting head down::: Is that up North?


Ah yes...just north of SF and in Marin...along the coast...(gosh...know something that CaliGirl doesn't?)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:31:12 AM
K all BRB bath is calling.... I don't want to smell up the forum!!! lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:31:26 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "chloe2"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

Joran's parents say he's innocent. Story on MSNBC.


Parents of Aruba suspect say he is innocent. Mother of 17-year-old
calls case ‘big nightmare’

Ahh Mrs VDS, probably not as big a nightmare it is for the Holloway & Twitty's.

Here we go again with that perception thing again. Your son was one of three people to last be seen with Natalee. Paul VDS tells his son to stop talking about the situation of a missing girl and some how your son is the victim.


wonder how many times MR VDS has changed HIS story?


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: Florida_mom on June 23, 2005, 01:32:17 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.
 

The above quote was taken from AM Aruba, the publication that ran the piece.  The typo may be theirs.  AP does not do typos. I saw this  AP  dispatch elsewhere but the sex was quickly removed and disappeared but the "eating and dancing" at carlos and charlies persisted.   I have no doubt this was the AP dispatch.  It is what got me into this thing.  I cannot vouch for its accuracy but they were the first on the story and carried it alone for the first few days, except perhaps for the Alabama papers which I have not thought to read although they have done some excellent work.  can you hear me?


So if the info in the article is credible and the boys did declare some activity with NH, then one must ask:
1. Why would the boys admit that they had this sort of contact with NH to further impicate themselves if in fact something bad did happen to NH?
2.  Could they be changing their story now because they are feeling the pressure and no one is believing their original story?

I am not saying the boys are innocent, just something to think about.


Title: dove lorenzo
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 01:32:31 AM
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:32:42 AM
Oh gosh, 6prs...I thought you were going to solve it...or tell us what happened  

One can only hope for things like that...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right ;) If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


Geta, IMHO this may point to JVS possibly having a narcissistic personality type. This is a trait of sociopaths. Just conjecture.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:32:56 AM
Greta was saying he kept wringing his hands the whole time...

I think he realizes now that the most dangerous place for someone to be is between a mother and her child


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Here we go again with that perception thing again. Your son was one of three people to last be seen with Natalee. Paul VDS tells his son to stop talking about the situation of a missing girl and some how your son is the victim.


That's kinda like I saw it, Red. IMHO, it was spin. Kind of like "they're using the media, let's do the same".

Not saying that they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt, but from the account of Mr. Twitty, it gives more credibility of my assumption that the VDS's really thought this mishap could be taken care of by pulling some well connected strings. Of course, little did they know there would be Monkeys all over this.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:34:15 AM
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)



How fitting that it looks like the BIG MONKEY(s) is wrapping its hands around him.....


You can run but you cannot hide from the MONKEY


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Caligirl
remeber that couple that was murdered on the beach in CA about a year ago, in their sleeping bags?Point Reyes...it's still unsolved...


So you're saying Paulus and Joran were in California a year ago?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: RubaRiba on June 23, 2005, 01:35:27 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
this is what my eyes look like
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

wait - I'M not the runaway bride am I......


no she looks like this.....

( :shock: )


I saw that in an earlier post..........LMAO! :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
everyone getting their JVS pictures out and blowing up the head parts


Whitney LOL  :D  You are too funny!


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:35:44 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


iquitos, do us a favor and get some links, all right?  Thanks...and no, all those issues you raise have been quiet since their telling


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 23, 2005, 01:35:51 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right ;) If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


Geta, IMHO this may point to JVS possibly having a narcissistic personality type. This is a trait of sociopaths. Just conjecture.


Julia....did you see the link I posted above?  There are pics of another guy with hair done like Joran's (combed forward, gelled and separated) as well as other pics that do not look at all like hair transplants.  I beg to differ with your interpretation!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:35:55 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Oh gosh, 6prs...I thought you were going to solve it...or tell us what happened  

One can only hope for things like that...

Aruban Police are handling it I believe!

"uhhh, yeah, yeah, i think it was someone with a gun but we're going to let him roam around for a year and ahalf just to moniter him....we'll do the forensics then, too"


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.

Iquitos, while I really like that you unlocked your caps,  :) please don't present rumours as fact (i.e. Lorenze as PVDS's illegimate son)


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:36:47 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


Lot of rumors running around, huh? Anybody ever bother to find out if they're true?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kkial on June 23, 2005, 01:37:02 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
A thought crossed my mind today that maybe it was PVS that picked up Joran after he and Nat were dropped off and that maybe dad and son shared her...
sick thought but may explain PVS's nervousness (and his wife WAS out of town remember?)


you may be right,,,I really think he either participated in the disposition or at least know...I realize diffeences in culture,,At first meeting with Twittys, cannot understand why he did not allow joran to talk,,If he did not have any thing to hide, he should not have a problem..He also would not let the other kid speak.

This is my thought:
Met Nat,,,
Saw him again at CnC and took him up on the offer to take her home..
Never got back to the Hi,,,t
Story unclear at this point,,but
They did give her something,,,,drugs,,Rufies  *I did hear BHT say she left her medicine in her room,,,,Was she asthmatic? this surely contraindicated .. or another med......
Something Bad Happened.....we will find out....Rape,,she fought,,??
They were scared,,called dad,,,,  
May just find Nat in the pond that was shown today,,or one like it...


Beth is a school teacher,,teaches special ed,,,,she has to be special person,,,,Stepfather has connections,,but not weathly,Good living..
Dad,,insurance business...

Lurk all the time and only "drop" down every once and a while....
thanks for your time,


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:37:24 AM
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: HannieC on June 23, 2005, 01:38:08 AM
:wink: bye all


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shell on June 23, 2005, 01:38:10 AM
I have posted maybe once, been here 24/7 for days tho.

What a shame J's mom is so into spirtuality, apparently with everyone but with her own son. He was last seen with her and he needs to speak the truth. The parents think this is a nightmare? Well they will get to see their son again.

The Cali couple muredered on the beach? Yes, I remember the story. I live in So Cal too. Not solved to my knowledge.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:38:45 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Shell on June 23, 2005, 01:38:52 AM
correction..*murdered


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:38:53 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Oh gosh, 6prs...I thought you were going to solve it...or tell us what happened  

One can only hope for things like that...

Aruban Police are handling it I believe!

"uhhh, yeah, yeah, i think it was someone with a gun but we're going to let him roam around for a year and ahalf just to moniter him....we'll do the forensics then, too"


LOL


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 01:39:02 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.
I have noticed that Natalee's step mother doesn't seem to show much emotion about this.  When I have seen her in interviews I have wondered if maybe she doesn't really know Natalee and that is why she doesn't seem to be effected emotionally....just an observation.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: "HannieC"
:wink: bye all

Get some sleep Hannie! See you tomorrow :)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:39:32 AM
Quote
The above quote was taken from AM Aruba, the publication that ran the piece. The typo may be theirs. AP does not do typos. can you hear me?


Loud and clear.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: KerinTX on June 23, 2005, 01:39:39 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


GAG, take care of that, will you?  :D


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:39:48 AM
Quote from: "HannieC"
:wink: bye all


CU Hannie


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 01:39:54 AM
Quote
So if the info in the article is credible and the boys did declare some activity with NH, then one must ask:
1. Why would the boys admit that they had this sort of contact with NH to further impicate themselves if in fact something bad did happen to NH?
2.  Could they be changing their story now because they are feeling the pressure and no one is believing their original story?

I am not saying the boys are innocent, just something to think about.


maybe they admitted it thinking that she was going to turn up, not knowing exactly what happened to her after leaving her near the hotel beach area, AFTER hooking up with her (i would assume if all 3 hooked up with her that she was super wasted/drugged/whatever)

and then possibly she was abducted by other party/ies , eyeing her as easy prey


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: luna on June 23, 2005, 01:40:28 AM
Here's the link to the Joran pics w/lots of images without "transplant" rows....but lots of blue plaid shirts!

http://www.martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran.html

ANd, BTW, does anyone besides me think that it's odd that Jug says the case wrapup is imminent AND they're bringing in 8 or 9 new people to question???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:40:51 AM
So Iquitos, you've known Joran how long? five years? How well do you know him?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 01:40:55 AM
BRB...gotta check on hair plugs.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:41:51 AM
WAIT -
Natalee's medicine was in her room...
Med. for what??


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 01:42:30 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


I want to know how you engineer a *basement* on that island.  Seems impossible.  We don't have them here on the Gulf Coast of TX because we're only 4 feet above the water table.  Wouldn't be basements, would be underground swimming pools.

I'm working on Lorenzo, but I truly don't believe the rumor.  Just seems strange that PaulvdS would've known that woman in Arnehm 20+ years ago (to have had Lorenzo) and now she lives in Aruba?  And are all the van Rijns related to Rembrandt?  It seems so!  It's interesting, anyway.

The VW dealership is still there--I hope someone will call and ask questions.  (Not I.)  There is a lady named Deborah, the only vR in town--think that must be the widow?  I can't find Larryo vR for love or money.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:42:38 AM
Quote from: "chloe2"


I don't know. Out here on the left coast, a lot of kids shave their heads. Pretty much anything seems to go these days. Don't know how it is in the Caribbean.

You sure those are hair plugs and not just the way his hair looks when it's gelled and spiked?


chloe - I am sorry for getting back to you so late. I am having trouble keeping up with the pace of this discussion. You've probably read my thoughts to death so I won't bore you again.  :oops:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kkial on June 23, 2005, 01:43:25 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
WAIT -
Natalee's medicine was in her room...
Med. for what??


That is what I would like to know....


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.
I have noticed that Natalee's step mother doesn't seem to show much emotion about this.  When I have seen her in interviews I have wondered if maybe she doesn't really know Natalee and that is why she doesn't seem to be effected emotionally....just an observation.


I've seen her in interviews and she seems very fond of Natalee and very upset but with controlled emotion.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:44:17 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


GAG, take care of that, will you?  :D


OMG, I found this on (no joke!):
http://www.dutchgirlsmustbepunishedforhavingbigboobs.com/MonkeySports.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/horse_riding_chimp.jpg)


ROFL!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:45:28 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "Red"
Here we go again with that perception thing again. Your son was one of three people to last be seen with Natalee. Paul VDS tells his son to stop talking about the situation of a missing girl and some how your son is the victim.


That's kinda like I saw it, Red. IMHO, it was spin. Kind of like "they're using the media, let's do the same".

Not saying that they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt, but from the account of Mr. Twitty, it gives more credibility of my assumption that the VDS's really thought this mishap could be taken care of by pulling some well connected strings. Of course, little did they know there would be Monkeys all over this.


I had to actually laugh when Greta shows up at 3pm today with what was supposed to be Beth. However, the VDS's were all ready for the cameras today when they were prepared to make a show of it. Those cameras could not be turned off fast enough yesterday.

I will be doing a post on the main page tommorow as to what I thought of greta's actions in the last 2 days. Not quite sure how kind it will be.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:45:37 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


GAG, take care of that, will you?  :D


OMG, I found this on (no joke!):
http://www.dutchgirlsmustbepunishedforhavingbigboobs.com/MonkeySports.htm

Is that guy in the background trying to spank that monkey???
 :shock:       :oops:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/horse_riding_chimp.jpg)


ROFL!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:46:15 AM
Quote from: "mbhs05"
Well I'm off to get some sleep. Good night ya'll! Let's hope tomorrow is better!


Nite! Oh, your pic's gone. well, thanks for giving us a glimpse behind the "mask." Sleep well!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Kkial on June 23, 2005, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: "kkial"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
WAIT -
Natalee's medicine was in her room...
Med. for what??


That is what I would like to know....


Maybe we can email Greta and get her to ask Beth about her meds...and what it was for....could have very well been drug reaction,,,meds combined with alcohol and drugs..  Happens all to frequently


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: "luna"
Here's the link to the Joran pics w/lots of images without "transplant" rows....but lots of blue plaid shirts!

http://www.martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran.html

ANd, BTW, does anyone besides me think that it's odd that Jug says the case wrapup is imminent AND they're bringing in 8 or 9 new people to question???


With Larissa! lmao


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:47:55 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Is that guy in the background trying to spank that monkey???
 :shock:       :oops:

LMAO! No comment  :lol:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 01:48:12 AM
Quote from: "HannieC"
:wink: bye all


Nite Hannie!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!


Tom & I are really going to have to sit down tommorow. The hell with these server issues, its T-shirts dammit  :D

Seriously, we are trying ...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 01:50:02 AM
Instructions for keeping the Kalpoe brothers' ages straight.  This is my mnemonic for it:

"Satish" is the "Shadow" of the older Deepak


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:50:24 AM
Quote from: "Red"
I will be doing a post on the main page tommorow as to what I thought of greta's actions in the last 2 days. Not quite sure how kind it will be.

Now, now...don't be too harsh ;)

I have to give her credit for trying to make some headway into this case that seemed to be stalled, granted, there was some sensationalism involved.

I pray to God Greta consulted Aruban or Dutch lawyers before taking the bull by the horns.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:51:14 AM
I think all of the Monkeys should raise $$$$ to buy a house in Arubafor the sole purpose of providing a safe place for travelers that may find themselves in trouble
we could call it the Holloway House.....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:52:04 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!


Tom & I are really going to have to sit down tommorow. The hell with these server issues, its T-shirts dammit  :D

Seriously, we are trying ...


LOL but Red you could earn more money for servers with T-shirts!!! lol


Title: Re: newspaper article
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 01:52:06 AM
Hey folks!  

Quote from: "Florida_mom"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Florida_mom"
I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
Quote
"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.
 

The above quote was taken from AM Aruba, the publication that ran the piece.  The typo may be theirs.  AP does not do typos. I saw this  AP  dispatch elsewhere but the sex was quickly removed and disappeared but the "eating and dancing" at carlos and charlies persisted.   I have no doubt this was the AP dispatch.  It is what got me into this thing.  I cannot vouch for its accuracy but they were the first on the story and carried it alone for the first few days, except perhaps for the Alabama papers which I have not thought to read although they have done some excellent work.  can you hear me?


So if the info in the article is credible and the boys did declare some activity with NH, then one must ask:
1. Why would the boys admit that they had this sort of contact with NH to further impicate themselves if in fact something bad did happen to NH?
2.  Could they be changing their story now because they are feeling the pressure and no one is believing their original story?

I am not saying the boys are innocent, just something to think about.

I'm here to state emphatically that if we don't know anything else, we DO KONW that the 3amigosall were LYING Like a buncha rugs with that first statement.  That being a given, why form any opinion of innocence from a known lie? :?  :roll:  
Everythingf they said at tht point was a concocted lie!  Lighthouse?  Who knows?  Drunk? Who knows?  Sex? Who knows? (here I strongly lean toward NOT") Dropped off at HI?  Hello? Anyboddy blive by now?  NOT!  YOU CAN NOT ACCEPT A WORD OF WHAT THEY SAID AS TRUE!  nOT A WORD!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2005, 01:52:53 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)

"I went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

LMAO I think I almost peed myself!!!!!!

Hi 6prs!!!!


(Disclaimer: This is NOT politically correct)

He looks like he's got CP.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)

"I went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

LMAO I think I almost peed myself!!!!!!

Hi 6prs!!!!


(Disclaimer: This is NOT politically correct)

He looks like he's got CP.


...and I think the monkey may have hair plugs, too


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 01:54:36 AM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


Lot of rumors running around, huh? Anybody ever bother to find out if they're true?
 i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: hardin9744 on June 23, 2005, 01:54:42 AM
I keep going outside to look at the moon.  it's the closest it's been to the earth in 18 years- since Natalee, Dash, and MBHS05 were little babies.  

night all.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 01:56:57 AM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
I keep going outside to look at the moon.  it's the closest it's been to the earth in 18 years- since Natalee, Dash, and MBHS05 were little babies.  

night all.


I was wondering why it looked like a pizzzaaa pieeeeee..thats amoreeeeeee lol could not resist


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 01:57:01 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


GAG, take care of that, will you?  :D


OMG, I found this on (no joke!):
http://www.dutchgirlsmustbepunishedforhavingbigboobs.com/MonkeySports.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/horse_riding_chimp.jpg)


ROFL!


Why do I think that Monkey pictures is going to be a new thread?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 01:58:04 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
...and I think the monkey may have hair plugs, too

OMG! You have me on the floor, 6prs LOL


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Julia Romero on June 23, 2005, 01:58:17 AM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right ;) If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


Geta, IMHO this may point to JVS possibly having a narcissistic personality type. This is a trait of sociopaths. Just conjecture.


Julia....did you see the link I posted above?  There are pics of another guy with hair done like Joran's (combed forward, gelled and separated) as well as other pics that do not look at all like hair transplants.  I beg to differ with your interpretation!
.

Luna, it's not the hair combed forward that looks like the plugs to me - it some photos of him that I saw with his hair back. I did see the photo with the full head of hair you posted. That could have been before he started losing his hair.  I'll try to find a couple of photos and post them.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 02:00:17 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!


Tom & I are really going to have to sit down tommorow. The hell with these server issues, its T-shirts dammit  :D

Seriously, we are trying ...



::ssshhhh:: Don't tell anybody, but I think this group is making fun of us.  Or maybe copycatting us.  Or maybe copymonkeying us.

Naaah.  I have a friend who posts here--just thought you'd get a kick out of it.  She could make us a mascot, I'm sure.

http://67.15.63.146/board/5148/153276-4.html


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: clevfan1234 on June 23, 2005, 02:00:54 AM
HOW IS THIS REVELANT TO THE INVESTIGATION:


Title: Beth
Post by: Kkial on June 23, 2005, 02:01:31 AM
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:01:38 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!

I say Monkey shirts for sale, with all proceeds going to the Equusearch team!

Any way we can get a monkey riding a horse?  :D


GAG, take care of that, will you?  :D


OMG, I found this on (no joke!):
http://www.dutchgirlsmustbepunishedforhavingbigboobs.com/MonkeySports.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/horse_riding_chimp.jpg)


ROFL!


Why do I think that Monkey pictures is going to be a new thread?

Lol My fav that I vote for LMAO



(http://home.unet.nl/ezoomermeijer/images/Tim/monkey-brains.jpg)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 02:03:41 AM
Quote from: "Julia Romero"
Quote from: "Whitney"
everyone getting their JVS pictures out and blowing up the head parts


Whitney LOL  :D  You are too funny!


(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/animated_explosion.gif)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: natfortplum on June 23, 2005, 02:04:05 AM
Deepak email was in fact  a hoax?


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:04:30 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Iqui, I think the erroneous reports are not retracted not to risk losing credibility (although, some major ones have been retracted - i.e. confession).

I too have wondered why the lack of focus on the Kalpoes. The more I read/watch/gather information, the more it all points to the golden boy (JVDS). There is no denying that.

I'm not exculpating the Kalpoes - they would be at least guilty of accessories after the fact, but I believe there is no confirmation of them being seen at the casino of the HI, or at C'nC (I don't believe the hoax email to be a true account).


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 23, 2005, 02:04:52 AM
Quote from: "kkial"
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?


I think it was having a number of early leads turn out to be false.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:05:02 AM
After exhausting aruement days in here, I do look forward to the night time / morning wind downs lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 02:06:09 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be doing a post on the main page tommorow as to what I thought of greta's actions in the last 2 days. Not quite sure how kind it will be.

Now, now...don't be too harsh ;)

I have to give her credit for trying to make some headway into this case that seemed to be stalled, granted, there was some sensationalism involved.

I pray to God Greta consulted Aruban or Dutch lawyers before taking the bull by the horns.


May just find out tomorrow. Don't ever think that the MSM is out for anything but their ratings. Some really foolish things done just to get a story.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:06:21 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
After exhausting aruement days in here, I do look forward to the night time / morning wind downs lol


Me too
Box of wine and monkey chatter ..... how relaxing


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:07:19 AM
Quote from: "kkial"
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?

I think that back then, with little or no information, she still had hope that Natalee may be alive.

I'm not a mother, but I can identify with her not accepting the fact that Natalee may not be alive, until she is proved otherwise.

That doesn't seem to be Natalee's dad's feeling though :(


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: writenow on June 23, 2005, 02:08:20 AM
Nite all. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzing out.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:08:52 AM
Weird though, how Deepak is the one I get the creeps from, not so much Joran and Satish (from pics anyway.... I think they're ALL effed up)
It's just something sleazy or sinister about Deepak's eyes

Don;t see it in Satish or Joran's eyes

Anyone else?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:09:13 AM
Quote from: "Red"
May just find out tomorrow. Don't ever think that the MSM is out for anything but their ratings. Some really foolish things done just to get a story.

Touche!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 02:09:55 AM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Deepak email was in fact  a hoax?


Explain


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:10:17 AM
I GOTTA A SERUS QUESTEURN FOR Y'ALL!  
We've heard it stated by at least one source that more (5? 6?) arrests are expected, right?
So, I ask you all:  If that happens, what do you think that will mean?

I can only think either 1) Abduction plot.  Or 2) She was taken to one o them drug parties where who knows what "bad" could of happened!  
Y'all got anything better?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:10:19 AM
lol Red I promise no more pics but we got a giggle out of this one the other day.... The monkeys.. outside the courthouse trying to get PVDS to talk... and the infamous (whay I think the monkey office looks like you have to scroll to the careerbuilder monkey office link) lol

http://www.ifilm.com/superbowl?htv=12

(http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg)


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "kkial"
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?

I think that back then, with little or no information, she still had hope that Natalee may be alive.

I'm not a mother, but I can identify with her not accepting the fact that Natalee may not be alive, until she is proved otherwise.

That doesn't seem to be Natalee's dad's feeling though :(


I think this comment was in reference to when they were told that Nat was being held for ransom and it turned out to be some 40 yr old hooker

I may be wrong but think I recall it was a meeting set up by either radio station or newspaper


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:10:59 AM
:::: stomps her feet::: There you are Mike!!!!!!! lol


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "kkial"
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?

I think that back then, with little or no information, she still had hope that Natalee may be alive.

I'm not a mother, but I can identify with her not accepting the fact that Natalee may not be alive, until she is proved otherwise.

That doesn't seem to be Natalee's dad's feeling though :(
Back in the beginning, there were ppl telling her rumors about sighting of Natalee... apparently, somebody had asked for a $10,000 ransome and when they went to get "Natalee" it was a 40ish woman with black hair who looked nothing like Natalee.

Today, I have been out of the loop...so I am wondering what Natalee's father is saying.  Does he think she is dead?


Title: White T-Shirts?
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 02:12:02 AM
What's with the plain white T-shirts?  

They don't come in


BLUE PLAID???


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:12:27 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Deepak email was in fact  a hoax?


Explain


WonderWoman's purported email from Deepak to 'betty' (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=223)

IMHO, hoax.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 02:13:17 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "Red"
Here we go again with that perception thing again. Your son was one of three people to last be seen with Natalee. Paul VDS tells his son to stop talking about the situation of a missing girl and some how your son is the victim.


That's kinda like I saw it, Red. IMHO, it was spin. Kind of like "they're using the media, let's do the same".

Not saying that they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt, but from the account of Mr. Twitty, it gives more credibility of my assumption that the VDS's really thought this mishap could be taken care of by pulling some well connected strings. Of course, little did they know there would be Monkeys all over this.


I had to actually laugh when Greta shows up at 3pm today with what was supposed to be Beth. However, the VDS's were all ready for the cameras today when they were prepared to make a show of it. Those cameras could not be turned off fast enough yesterday.

I will be doing a post on the main page tommorow as to what I thought of greta's actions in the last 2 days. Not quite sure how kind it will be.


i guarantee they have at least some of the audio from the no camera interview yesterday,,,,both GVS and BHT had wireless mics on and theyre range is very good with fresh batteries which i am sure they had since they(the ENG crew) know what theyre doing


Title: Re: White T-Shirts?
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:13:35 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
What's with the plain white T-shirts?  

They don't come in


BLUE PLAID???


LOL PMP  peein' my pants


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:14:16 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
:::: stomps her feet::: There you are Mike!!!!!!! lol
Oh, Hi!! 8)


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: natfortplum on June 23, 2005, 02:15:07 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


Lot of rumors running around, huh? Anybody ever bother to find out if they're true?
 i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


was stated that Deepak email was a hoax, I'm asking if we know for sure that this was a hoax. I wasn't aware that it was concluded to be a hoax


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:16:17 AM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Today, I have been out of the loop...so I am wondering what Natalee's father is saying.  Does he think she is dead?


Yep :( References to 'there's no perfect crime'. Also, that the suspects in custody 'know what happened'. And actions speak louder than words. Mr Holloway is out there every day searching....he's not searching houses, he's searching possible dump areas.

He has been media-shy up to now (or shall I say, not as media savvy as Beth). Seeing him today kind of broke my heart.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:16:19 AM
Now where did Kerin go? Did she leave already?  :x


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Red on June 23, 2005, 02:17:57 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
lol Red I promise no more pics but we got a giggle out of this one the other day.... The monkeys.. outside the courthouse trying to get PVDS to talk... and the infamous (whay I think the monkey office looks like you have to scroll to the careerbuilder monkey office link) lol

http://www.ifilm.com/superbowl?htv=12

(http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg)


Oh my God how funny ... ROTFLMAO ... Looks like Scared Monkeys version of Hitchcocks's "The Birds".

On that note I have to get some sleep or there will be no t-shirts. Or no posting.

Night all - CaliGirl you are truely warped, but in the good sense.  :D

Good night folks. Say a prayer for Natalee and her parents.
Red


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:19:15 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
lol Red I promise no more pics but we got a giggle out of this one the other day.... The monkeys.. outside the courthouse trying to get PVDS to talk... and the infamous (whay I think the monkey office looks like you have to scroll to the careerbuilder monkey office link) lol

http://www.ifilm.com/superbowl?htv=12

(http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg)


Oh my God how funny ... ROTFLMAO ... Looks like Scared Monkeys version of Hitchcocks's "The Birds".

On that note I have to get some sleep or there will be no t-shirts. Or no posting.

Night all - CaliGirl you are truely warped, but in the good sense.  :D

Good night folks. Say a prayer for Natalee and her parents.
Red


Nite Red!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: iquitos on June 23, 2005, 02:19:55 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Iqui, I think the erroneous reports are not retracted not to risk losing credibility (although, some major ones have been retracted - i.e. confession).

I too have wondered why the lack of focus on the Kalpoes. The more I read/watch/gather information, the more it all points to the golden boy (JVDS). There is no denying that.

I'm not exculpating the Kalpoes - they would be at least guilty of accessories after the fact, but I believe there is no confirmation of them being seen at the casino of the HI, or at C'nC (I don't believe the hoax email to be a true account).
 


now joran may have done it but the others were in on it if he did.  all are suspected of the same offences to hold them but Joran is the poster child killer because he resembles natalee and they were apparently attracted to eachother.  who knows for what reason, there are plenty of choices.  Joran betrayed her innocence, and has been demonized by the msm and the twittys for it.  he is precocious, odd, foreign, old europe in the tropics like the quaint legal system that prevents us from getting instant replay and the gratification of a quick arrest.  news teams are standing around waiting for the climax and cannot wait forever.  geraldo did not last a week, greta will soon be gone too.  this is the old trial by newspaper with new technology and, if possible, lower standards.  let us hope Natalee will be found so we can be spared any more of this spectacle mounted in her name but not in her memory.   and the poor arubans.  they don't know what hit them.  they will not easily forgive this assault on their sovreignty and their dignity for some choice footage.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:20:37 AM
Nite Red!


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Iqui, I think the erroneous reports are not retracted not to risk losing credibility (although, some major ones have been retracted - i.e. confession).

I too have wondered why the lack of focus on the Kalpoes. The more I read/watch/gather information, the more it all points to the golden boy (JVDS). There is no denying that.

I'm not exculpating the Kalpoes - they would be at least guilty of accessories after the fact, but I believe there is no confirmation of them being seen at the casino of the HI, or at C'nC (I don't believe the hoax email to be a true account).
 


now joran may have done it but the others were in on it if he did.  all are suspected of the same offences to hold them but Joran is the poster child killer because he resembles natalee and they were apparently attracted to eachother.  who knows for what reason, there are plenty of choices.  Joran betrayed her innocence, and has been demonized by the msm and the twittys for it.  he is precocious, odd, foreign, old europe in the tropics like the quaint legal system that prevents us from getting instant replay and the gratification of a quick arrest.  news teams are standing around waiting for the climax and cannot wait forever.  geraldo did not last a week, greta will soon be gone too.  this is the old trial by newspaper with new technology and, if possible, lower standards.  let us hope Natalee will be found so we can be spared any more of this spectacle mounted in her name but not in her memory.   and the poor arubans.  they don't know what hit them.  they will not easily forgive this assault on their sovreignty and their dignity for some choice footage.


inquitos... have you read/heard Lorenzo was actually questioned because he has a speed boat?


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 02:21:05 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Today, I have been out of the loop...so I am wondering what Natalee's father is saying.  Does he think she is dead?


Yep :( References to 'there's no perfect crime'. Also, that the suspects in custody 'know what happened'. And actions speak louder than words. Mr Holloway is out there every day searching....he's not searching houses, he's searching possible dump areas.

He has been media-shy up to now (or shall I say, not as media savvy as Beth). Seeing him today kind of broke my heart.
Thanks...I am sure after almost a month of her being missing...they have to have doubts whether she is alive or not.  I still have so much hope that she is alive...hoping that the rumors of her being kidnapped or that she ran away are true...I have this feeling that this Texas Search group will have the answers..... :?


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:21:44 AM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "iquitos"
one more thing. where is the illegitimate son of Paulus v/d Sloot,  lorenzo van what his name with the basement when we need him?   and are they still following that car to Colombia while creaming up joran for the electrodes?   things have been awful slow around here.  i did hear from a surinamer tonight a rumor that natalee had run away in london for six months because she did not like her step mother.  really, i did.


Lot of rumors running around, huh? Anybody ever bother to find out if they're true?
 i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


was stated that Deepak email was a hoax, I'm asking if we know for sure that this was a hoax. I wasn't aware that it was concluded to be a hoax
Oh yea, the sewerside!  Ya know I heard it from a good soarse(fri cook at McD') that one did!  An it failed cause he was usin a DULL AX! :shock:


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: Kkial on June 23, 2005, 02:21:53 AM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "kkial"
I wonder why BHT said the lowest point was when she was running around and thought she was going to get Natalee?

I think that back then, with little or no information, she still had hope that Natalee may be alive.

I'm not a mother, but I can identify with her not accepting the fact that Natalee may not be alive, until she is proved otherwise.

That doesn't seem to be Natalee's dad's feeling though :(


I thought she said that on Greta's program tonight,,sounded like they had a tip and is was erronous..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:24:14 AM
NIGHT, RED!  SEE YA!


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:25:32 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Iqui, I think the erroneous reports are not retracted not to risk losing credibility (although, some major ones have been retracted - i.e. confession).

I too have wondered why the lack of focus on the Kalpoes. The more I read/watch/gather information, the more it all points to the golden boy (JVDS). There is no denying that.

I'm not exculpating the Kalpoes - they would be at least guilty of accessories after the fact, but I believe there is no confirmation of them being seen at the casino of the HI, or at C'nC (I don't believe the hoax email to be a true account).
 


now joran may have done it but the others were in on it if he did.  all are suspected of the same offences to hold them but Joran is the poster child killer because he resembles natalee and they were apparently attracted to eachother.  who knows for what reason, there are plenty of choices.  Joran betrayed her innocence, and has been demonized by the msm and the twittys for it.  he is precocious, odd, foreign, old europe in the tropics like the quaint legal system that prevents us from getting instant replay and the gratification of a quick arrest.  news teams are standing around waiting for the climax and cannot wait forever.  geraldo did not last a week, greta will soon be gone too.  this is the old trial by newspaper with new technology and, if possible, lower standards.  let us hope Natalee will be found so we can be spared any more of this spectacle mounted in her name but not in her memory.   and the poor arubans.  they don't know what hit them.  they will not easily forgive this assault on their sovreignty and their dignity for some choice footage.


Umm, the Arubans have nothing to do with this horrible tragedy.

ONE, or possibly more Aruban residents have something to do with this. Holding them accountable will resolve this matter to everyone's satisfaction.

Closure for Natalee and her family. Closure for Arubans.

This could have happened anywhere, as you well know. It's about getting justice for whatever crime has been committed (we don't know which one(s) yet).

Tourists will flock to Aruba, as they always have. If this matter is handled properly and swiftly, perhaps even more than ever.

Personally, I've never been to Aruba, although I've been all over the Caribbean. I have to say, I am intrigued. Were this case to come to its just conclusion, Aruba will be on the priority list of places to visit in the near future.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:27:29 AM
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey.html
I've been framed by Joran! I want a lawyer!


(sorry, it's late here!)


Title: Re: dove lorenzo
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:28:08 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i apologize to all who are not aware that it is not proven that p v/d s has a son named Lorenzo by the wife of the vw dealer who comitted suicide.  actually there was a report that Lorenzo was questioned in this case but the rumor that natalee's clothes were found in his basement, one of the only ones on the island, was not provem to be true. Lorenzo does/did have a website.  the story was that natalee was being held and moved around on the island while plans were hatched to transfer her to venezela and thence colombia. fox had that live from diario de aruba.   never retracted it.  and there was the riehl report that they were prepping joran for a polygraph.  also day before yesterday there was a bon dia aruba piece than one of the boys tried suicide and was on suicide watch.  that one was never retracted either.  this place was sceptical of all these reports but did its best to run them down.  last night, we had what appears to be a major hoax email from deepak darken our door. that one went nowhere either.  so we have had our knocks here but it has been a barrel of monkeys and we have all learned from it.  tomorrow we get the Texas search party, and hopefully some background on those mysterious kalpoe boys.  notice how they have been ignored by msm in favor of joran?  why is that?  because they are ugly and lack hair implants?  will greta interview their parents?  she has already been on their porch so she knows where they live.  why has beth not happened onto their home while canvassing the island while greta films?


Iqui, I think the erroneous reports are not retracted not to risk losing credibility (although, some major ones have been retracted - i.e. confession).

I too have wondered why the lack of focus on the Kalpoes. The more I read/watch/gather information, the more it all points to the golden boy (JVDS). There is no denying that.

I'm not exculpating the Kalpoes - they would be at least guilty of accessories after the fact, but I believe there is no confirmation of them being seen at the casino of the HI, or at C'nC (I don't believe the hoax email to be a true account).
 


now joran may have done it but the others were in on it if he did.  all are suspected of the same offences to hold them but Joran is the poster child killer because he resembles natalee and they were apparently attracted to eachother.  who knows for what reason, there are plenty of choices.  Joran betrayed her innocence, and has been demonized by the msm and the twittys for it.  he is precocious, odd, foreign, old europe in the tropics like the quaint legal system that prevents us from getting instant replay and the gratification of a quick arrest.  news teams are standing around waiting for the climax and cannot wait forever.  geraldo did not last a week, greta will soon be gone too.  this is the old trial by newspaper with new technology and, if possible, lower standards.  let us hope Natalee will be found so we can be spared any more of this spectacle mounted in her name but not in her memory.   and the poor arubans.  they don't know what hit them.  they will not easily forgive this assault on their sovreignty and their dignity for some choice footage.

NOT TA MENTION HES A BIG BAD MANCHILD!
Hey, I ain't stupid,,,, I watch TV!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:30:09 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey.html
I've been framed by Joran! I want a lawyer!


(sorry, it's late here!)


OMG :::covering eyes::: It didn't post so I went to the site!!!! How awful!!


Title: Prayer Cards
Post by: Itawamba on June 23, 2005, 02:31:51 AM
Has anyone seen what Beth's prayer cards say on them?  

These are the ones she is carrying around and handing out to the people of Aruba "for Natalee."  Is the prayer message printed anywhere on the 'Net where someone could copy and post it here?

TIA


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:32:24 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey.html
I've been framed by Joran! I want a lawyer!


(sorry, it's late here!)


OMG :::covering eyes::: It didn't post so I went to the site!!!! How awful!!


Eek  :shock:

Curiosity killed the Monkey!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: 6prs'o'klompen on June 23, 2005, 02:32:29 AM
Alright, I gotta go feed my chunky monkey.... He was ornery today so hopefully he goes back to sleep.
Have a good night all!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:36:34 AM
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey.html
I've been framed by Joran! I want a lawyer!


(sorry, it's late here!)


Thats some gross bad monkey business!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey.html
I've been framed by Joran! I want a lawyer!


(sorry, it's late here!)


OMG :::covering eyes::: It didn't post so I went to the site!!!! How awful!!
okay, that makes me sick....soooo sad!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Getagrip on June 23, 2005, 02:37:41 AM
I'm fading!  G'night everyone.


Title: Re: Prayer Cards
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:38:30 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Has anyone seen what Beth's prayer cards say on them?  

These are the ones she is carrying around and handing out to the people of Aruba "for Natalee."  Is the prayer message printed anywhere on the 'Net where someone could copy and post it here?

TIA

Was searching and I couldn't find anything just now ...  :cry:

I wondered also.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:38:48 AM
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!


Title: Water Taxi
Post by: LouLou on June 23, 2005, 02:39:51 AM
http://tattoopartycruises.com/pages/WaterTaxi.html

Picture of the water taxi for tatto.  As you can see if you notice the number of people in the boat its pretty big.

Not the kind of thing that someone could rip out of the harbor in the wee hours of the morning...too many people might notice.[/b]


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 02:40:01 AM
Quote from: "Itawamba"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I really want a Monkey Shirt!!

RED!!!


Tom & I are really going to have to sit down tommorow. The hell with these server issues, its T-shirts dammit  :D

Seriously, we are trying ...



::ssshhhh:: Don't tell anybody, but I think this group is making fun of us.  Or maybe copycatting us.  Or maybe copymonkeying us.

Naaah.  I have a friend who posts here--just thought you'd get a kick out of it.  She could make us a mascot, I'm sure.

http://67.15.63.146/board/5148/153276-4.html

I want a shirt too... I think I'd pay a pretty penny for one with the monkeys on the front and all our names on the back
how cool would that be..!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Whitney on June 23, 2005, 02:40:25 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_38.html

Reward reported to be $150K now...someone's hopeful


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:42:38 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!
Forgot what your question was! lol

I was busy getting monkey tshirt pictures lol Sowwy..

You wanna ask your "serious" question again? lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:45:42 AM
I must take a moment to apologize.. I have not been my normal "helpful informative" self today.  :cry:

Today's been an off day for me. Hopefully tomorrow I will be back on track.  :wink:

In the words of my favorite childrens book.. the horrbile, very bad, no good day  :x


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:46:28 AM
Ok here tis

Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!
Forgot what your question was! lol

I was busy getting monkey tshirt pictures lol Sowwy..

You wanna ask your "serious" question again? lol
I GOTTA A SERUS QUESTEURN FOR Y'ALL!
We've heard it stated by at least one source that more (5? 6?) arrests are expected, right?
So, I ask you all: If that happens, what do you think that will mean?

I can only think either 1) Abduction plot. Or 2) She was taken to one o them drug parties where who knows what "bad" could of happened!
Y'all got anything better?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:48:03 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok here tis

Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!
Forgot what your question was! lol

I was busy getting monkey tshirt pictures lol Sowwy..

You wanna ask your "serious" question again? lol
I GOTTA A SERUS QUESTEURN FOR Y'ALL!
We've heard it stated by at least one source that more (5? 6?) arrests are expected, right?
So, I ask you all: If that happens, what do you think that will mean?

I can only think either 1) Abduction plot. Or 2) She was taken to one o them drug parties where who knows what "bad" could of happened!
Y'all got anything better?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Abduction because I seriously think by now they would have some evidence to at least state murder. And geez how many people do you need to dispose of a body?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 02:48:05 AM
after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 02:48:31 AM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "6prs'o'klompen"
Quote from: "tuberide"
(http://www.artistinresidencegallery.com/tshirt%20monkeys.jpg)

"I went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

LMAO I think I almost peed myself!!!!!!

Hi 6prs!!!!


(Disclaimer: This is NOT politically correct)

He looks like he's got CP.

now thats friggin weird
the monkeys see all
well at least the ones that don't have thier eyes covered
so theres always 2 at any given time
that are 'watching'


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:51:29 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok here tis

Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!
Forgot what your question was! lol

I was busy getting monkey tshirt pictures lol Sowwy..

You wanna ask your "serious" question again? lol
I GOTTA A SERUS QUESTEURN FOR Y'ALL!
We've heard it stated by at least one source that more (5? 6?) arrests are expected, right?
So, I ask you all: If that happens, what do you think that will mean?

I can only think either 1) Abduction plot. Or 2) She was taken to one o them drug parties where who knows what "bad" could of happened!
Y'all got anything better?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Abduction because I seriously think by now they would have some evidence to at least state murder. And geez how many people do you need to dispose of a body?
 

Have we heard anymore of "more arrests expected"?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:53:20 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok here tis

Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Ok!  So I axed a real serus questurn an y'all aint got nuttin ta say bout it!  Thats what I thouht!
Forgot what your question was! lol

I was busy getting monkey tshirt pictures lol Sowwy..

You wanna ask your "serious" question again? lol
I GOTTA A SERUS QUESTEURN FOR Y'ALL!
We've heard it stated by at least one source that more (5? 6?) arrests are expected, right?
So, I ask you all: If that happens, what do you think that will mean?

I can only think either 1) Abduction plot. Or 2) She was taken to one o them drug parties where who knows what "bad" could of happened!
Y'all got anything better?

Inquiring minds want to know!


Abduction because I seriously think by now they would have some evidence to at least state murder. And geez how many people do you need to dispose of a body?
 

Have we heard anymore of "more arrests expected"?

Jug Twitty stated tonite he thought 7-8 and that the case seems to be wrapping up.. or something to that effect


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:54:17 AM
?? What happened to everyone? lol

::suddenly feeling very alone and hearing echos::: lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:54:43 AM
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:56:18 AM
OK, Thats whut Im tawkin bout!  They firured they best leave us alone!  LOL! 8)  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 02:56:29 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 02:58:28 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....
That could very well be!  BUt, Why not fess up?  Urine won't even admit he took her to Marriott beach.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 02:59:10 AM
There you guys are!!!!! lol

Geesh..was it intermission and no one told me?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:00:09 AM
Wassup wankstas?????

Shout out to CaliGirl with her 666 posts!  :shock:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:00:13 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....


Tube,

Yeah and I would be very surprised if Joran wasn't at SBF since I saw a lot of his friends in the pics.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:00:38 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
There you guys are!!!!! lol

Geesh..was it intermission and no one told me?


Where'd you go?  I checked an poof you wuz gone!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:01:21 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Wassup wankstas?????

Shout out to CaliGirl with her 666 posts!  :shock:



LMAO how freaky! And on the night the moon is it's closest in 18 years.. MAYBE that's why it's drama night for me...

lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 03:01:36 AM
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:02:34 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
There you guys are!!!!! lol

Geesh..was it intermission and no one told me?


Where'd you go?  I checked an poof you wuz gone!


It's 12:01 here..and gosh darnit I can't wait till Thursday to eat since Thursday is when we can eat! lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:03:05 AM
Yeah, I just woke up naked in a field, howling at the moon.  

I just caught up on about a zillion posts and the forum was crazeee today!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:04:27 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I honestly don't see how they can dispose of a body and all evidence in that little amount of time.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Bought the hotel thang:  I magine the maids wudda found her by now!  

Dont think so!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....
That could very well be!  BUt, Why not fess up?  Urine won't even admit he took her to Marriott beach.


well the reports today were stating that all 3 were questioned together and all 3 agreed on leaving her at beach in one way or another---you see any of that?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:05:56 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Yeah, I just woke up naked in a field, howling at the moon.  

I just caught up on about a zillion posts and the forum was crazeee today!


Oh heck yeah it was... I had to loft for most of the day..I could not even post my usual facts I was so irratated between the goings on in here, work and outside life. Geesh!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:06:02 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I reaallllly hope she's alive, but I have my doubts.  I hate to say this, but they could have thrown her in a dumpster.  In that case, her body may never be found...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:06:37 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
There you guys are!!!!! lol

Geesh..was it intermission and no one told me?


Where'd you go?  I checked an poof you wuz gone!


It's 12:01 here..and gosh darnit I can't wait till Thursday to eat since Thursday is when we can eat! lol


Oh, is it eating day already??  Cool!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:07:16 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....
That could very well be!  BUt, Why not fess up?  Urine won't even admit he took her to Marriott beach.


We know only there simple facts..

She was last with them..
Beach is the only consistent theme..
and she's missing


well the reports today were stating that all 3 were questioned together and all 3 agreed on leaving her at beach in one way or another---you see any of that?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:08:12 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Bought the hotel thang:  I magine the maids wudda found her by now!  

Dont think so!


The smell alone....


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 03:09:28 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I reaallllly hope she's alive, but I have my doubts.  I hate to say this, but they could have thrown her in a dumpster.  In that case, her body may never be found...

the mcdonalds dumpster that the sloot dad was seen at 3:30am..?
that one..?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:10:52 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....
That could very well be!  BUt, Why not fess up?  Urine won't even admit he took her to Marriott beach.


We know only there simple facts..

She was last with them..
Beach is the only consistent theme..
and she's missing


well the reports today were stating that all 3 were questioned together and all 3 agreed on leaving her at beach in one way or another---you see any of that?


That interview with the magazine guy on Greta was whack!  First of all, WE know Deepak is the older one.  But what's the deal with the "source" that told about the interrogation?  Jaron said Deepak picked him up, Deepak told him he was lying, and Jaron changed it to Satish picked him up.  Okay, then what??  Did Satish admit picking him up??  Did they say they left Natalee on the beach or did they pick her up too??

I think these people are just screwing with us!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:10:55 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
There you guys are!!!!! lol

Geesh..was it intermission and no one told me?


Where'd you go?  I checked an poof you wuz gone!


It's 12:01 here..and gosh darnit I can't wait till Thursday to eat since Thursday is when we can eat! lol


Oh, is it eating day already??  Cool!!


Ta answer yo questurn, yes I blieve its Thursday cause some ppl told me to come an eat a while ago.  So yall better come and get it!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 03:12:33 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Bought the hotel thang:  I magine the maids wudda found her by now!  

Dont think so!


The smell alone....

ahh but wait...no smell
it was a hand off to pay off a gambling debt Joran ran up
and the casino(mafia) well maybe thats the wrong word
called him on it
so shes drugged up for three weeks now
in the penthouse that is off limits to the maids


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:12:47 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I reaallllly hope she's alive, but I have my doubts.  I hate to say this, but they could have thrown her in a dumpster.  In that case, her body may never be found...

the mcdonalds dumpster that the sloot dad was seen at 3:30am..?
that one..?


Or any other dumpster around there.  I wonder what day they are emptied in that area...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:12:50 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Bought the hotel thang:  I magine the maids wudda found her by now!  

Dont think so!


The smell alone....


Ooooooo, Cali!  Cant blieve you said that!  The hotel thing implies that SHE ALIVE!!!  GET IT??


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:12:52 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Dear Cali,

Thank you so much for answering my questurn.  It's so good to know at least somebody is payin attention.  I guess everbody else need to GO WATCH TV!



after viewing most of the soul beach fest pics from the whole week, i really think that JVDS and the K bros did whatever they did with her and then left her alive.....and that someone there for the fest in wahtever capacity (crew or guest) saw her all messed up and took advantage....
That could very well be!  BUt, Why not fess up?  Urine won't even admit he took her to Marriott beach.


We know only there simple facts..

She was last with them..
Beach is the only consistent theme..
and she's missing


well the reports today were stating that all 3 were questioned together and all 3 agreed on leaving her at beach in one way or another---you see any of that?


That interview with the magazine guy on Greta was whack!  First of all, WE know Deepak is the older one.  But what's the deal with the "source" that told about the interrogation?  Jaron said Deepak picked him up, Deepak told him he was lying, and Jaron changed it to Satish picked him up.  Okay, then what??  Did Satish admit picking him up??  Did they say they left Natalee on the beach or did they pick her up too??

I think these people are just screwing with us!!


See, this is why I believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see on TV.  :wink:
I think MSM is taking us for a ride... and not a good one.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:13:50 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
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Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
the thing that would freak me out is
if she was being held in one of the hotels next to
where the family is..
this is such a small island
they searched and searched
I can remember in most 'abduction' cases
that 'they' are found pretty damn close to where they
were last seen
there was not alot of time for sloot to do much
he was in school the next day
2am to say 7am..?
5 hours
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


Bought the hotel thang:  I magine the maids wudda found her by now!  

Dont think so!


The smell alone....


Ooooooo, Cali!  Cant blieve you said that!  The hotel thing implies that SHE ALIVE!!!  GET IT??
Ohhhhh :::blonde moment::: That's it! I am dyeing my hair!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 03:14:44 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I reaallllly hope she's alive, but I have my doubts.  I hate to say this, but they could have thrown her in a dumpster.  In that case, her body may never be found...

the mcdonalds dumpster that the sloot dad was seen at 3:30am..?
that one..?


Or any other dumpster around there.  I wonder what day they are emptied in that area...

wait a minute where the heck does all that go..?
it's an island
do they burn it..?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:17:26 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"
damn
I still Still think shes alive
how big a hole can you dig in 5 hours
and still be cool and collected the next day to take finals..
I think he handed her off to somebody
it would explain why he doesn't 'know' where she is now
maybe if they ask the right questions
who did you give her too...?
doubt she was tossed in ocean
ahh f
was it true that one of the surinam brothers had a cell call
from other side of island at about 6:30am..?
that could be a.........
'it's done' call


I reaallllly hope she's alive, but I have my doubts.  I hate to say this, but they could have thrown her in a dumpster.  In that case, her body may never be found...

the mcdonalds dumpster that the sloot dad was seen at 3:30am..?
that one..?


Or any other dumpster around there.  I wonder what day they are emptied in that area...

wait a minute where the heck does all that go..?
it's an island
do they burn it..?


Good question!


Title: Things we can infer from BHT's statements - sorry, long
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 03:17:28 AM
Beth Holloway Twitty has been consistant in her statements to the press, but confusing. I was just laying up in bed trying to sleep and had this really off the wall review of her statements and what they infer. We heard there's a twist in this case that's "not like any other cases" from elected officials. So, with that and BHT's statements in mind, a strange scenario:

1The boys know what happened to Natalee.

She doesn't say they harmed her, or anythign about them 'doing something' to Natalee. Just that they know "where she is" or sometimes, "what happened to her."  Why is she avoiding saying they did something awful to her, which would be every parent's first instinct about a girl alone in a car with three strangers?

2. Natalee is alive.

We've attributed that to perhaps simply hope, but she's vehement.  Perhaps it is hope.  But I'm thinking she's sure of it.  So why would she be so sure? Under the scenario of a crime of passion rape/murder, she wouldn't believe her daughter was alive.  Probably not under the scenarios of white slavery or drug lords, either, because Natalee is nothing more than a bargaining chip or easily discarded by those people.  Also, the reward $$ seems awfully low to entice big time bad guys, or any real bad guys who have much more to lose than to gain in $150,000.

3. Natalee did not run away.  

Note she doesn't say Natalee is being held against her will, though, either.   Just that she didn't intend to disappear and is, by all accounts, a loving, caring, responsible girl --

who willingly got into a car with three guys she hardly knew.

Put all of this together.

Natalee is alive. Someone has her, not by her own volition but not necessarily harmed, and maybe not completely unwillingly.  The boys know what happened to her.

This leads me to believe that Natalee is with someone who knows her, and whom she knows, to some degree.  Enough of a degree that her parents are relatively certain she is unharmed, sure she didn't just trot away off forever on her own, and someone known to the boys.  Someone, maybe who looks like one of the boys --- enough that students from MBHS who were on the trip might confuse the two guys and not be sure when Natalee met which one, or videotape might have them mixed up perhaps.

What if Natalee got into the car with the boys because these boys offered to take her to meet up with this other party, and on doing so, "something bad happened." But they did not cause it to.

All of this describes the person mentioned earlier in the week by aia, and in a few posts in other places.  Someone whose actions might scare the three guys enough to keep quiet, but someone they also believe won't harm her.  Someone who was questioned and later released, and someone everyone keeps asking about but nobody seems to know anything about: LvG.

Maybe it's just nutty, but it makes sense to me.  It also explains the cryptic comments made by one of Natalee's relatives about the $ being contributed possibly going to "Natalee's legal fees."


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 03:18:03 AM
I think that one of our Arubian friends said that there was a dump site...I really feel that these Texas searchers are going to tell us whether she was dumped or buried....and if they don't find anything on the island...then I will assume that she is alive...even though I have been leaning that way all along.....I really hope she is


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:18:16 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"


Or any other dumpster around there.  I wonder what day they are emptied in that area...

wait a minute where the heck does all that go..?
it's an island
do they burn it..?[/quote]

They send it to Jersey!  :D

I assume they take it to a dump.  I know there was mention of a dump near the VDS's house.  I suppose they could have just taken her there.

But I don't really want to think about that!  Unfortunately, I just don't see many scenarios where she's alive on the island.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:21:06 AM
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Michael22 on June 23, 2005, 03:22:08 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "Michael22"


Or any other dumpster around there.  I wonder what day they are emptied in that area...

wait a minute where the heck does all that go..?
it's an island
do they burn it..?


They send it to Jersey!  :D

I assume they take it to a dump.  I know there was mention of a dump near the VDS's house.  I suppose they could have just taken her there.

But I don't really want to think about that!  Unfortunately, I just don't see many scenarios where she's alive on the island.[/quote]

ahh you jerk I'm from Jersey
I still remember that 'gar barge'
that was supposed to go somewhere but wound up
just floating out in the water for most of the summer
I think that was off new york and they  were trying to send it here


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:23:38 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


Beth really doesn seem to believe she's alive.  However, I just don't get that impression from her father (who I assume has the same information).  He kept using the word "was" when talking about her.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 23, 2005, 03:24:04 AM
well, the time has come for me to bid farewell my little monkeys (not the kind in the cages...but the ones that flock together, hug eachother..and keep eachother safe)....  

Ya'll have a great night/morning...see you tomorrow/today...kiss kiss






How do they expect us to figure out the puzzle when they keep changing the picture on the box?? :?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 03:24:30 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


None of the thoughts I had came together until reading the responses at the main Scared Monkey's board about her perhaps having a previous (albeit short-term) relationship with someone on the island, someone who VdS and the others know.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:25:16 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


Beth really doesn seem to believe she's alive.  However, I just don't get that impression from her father (who I assume has the same information).  He kept using the word "was" when talking about her.


Stepdad or real dad?


Title: Re: Things we can infer from BHT's statements - sorry, long
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:25:21 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Beth Holloway Twitty has been consistant in her statements to the press, but confusing. I was just laying up in bed trying to sleep and had this really off the wall review of her statements and what they infer. We heard there's a twist in this case that's "not like any other cases" from elected officials. So, with that and BHT's statements in mind, a strange scenario:

1The boys know what happened to Natalee.

She doesn't say they harmed her, or anythign about them 'doing something' to Natalee. Just that they know "where she is" or sometimes, "what happened to her."  Why is she avoiding saying they did something awful to her, which would be every parent's first instinct about a girl alone in a car with three strangers?

2. Natalee is alive.

We've attributed that to perhaps simply hope, but she's vehement.  Perhaps it is hope.  But I'm thinking she's sure of it.  So why would she be so sure? Under the scenario of a crime of passion rape/murder, she wouldn't believe her daughter was alive.  Probably not under the scenarios of white slavery or drug lords, either, because Natalee is nothing more than a bargaining chip or easily discarded by those people.  Also, the reward $$ seems awfully low to entice big time bad guys, or any real bad guys who have much more to lose than to gain in $150,000.

3. Natalee did not run away.  

Note she doesn't say Natalee is being held against her will, though, either.   Just that she didn't intend to disappear and is, by all accounts, a loving, caring, responsible girl --

who willingly got into a car with three guys she hardly knew.

Put all of this together.

Natalee is alive. Someone has her, not by her own volition but not necessarily harmed, and maybe not completely unwillingly.  The boys know what happened to her.

This leads me to believe that Natalee is with someone who knows her, and whom she knows, to some degree.  Enough of a degree that her parents are relatively certain she is unharmed, sure she didn't just trot away off forever on her own, and someone known to the boys.  Someone, maybe who looks like one of the boys --- enough that students from MBHS who were on the trip might confuse the two guys and not be sure when Natalee met which one, or videotape might have them mixed up perhaps.

What if Natalee got into the car with the boys because these boys offered to take her to meet up with this other party, and on doing so, "something bad happened." But they did not cause it to.

All of this describes the person mentioned earlier in the week by aia, and in a few posts in other places.  Someone whose actions might scare the three guys enough to keep quiet, but someone they also believe won't harm her.  Someone who was questioned and later released.

Maybe it's just nutty, but it makes sense to me.  It also explains the cryptic comments made by one of Natalee's relatives about the $ being contributed possibly going to "Natalee's legal fees."


Ya know?  I think I gotta agree wiff ya on that one, ITS JUST NUTTY!

Sorse:  Frycook at thu Awful House!


Title: to LilOrphan
Post by: martin connahey on June 23, 2005, 03:26:51 AM
LilOrphan:

Brilliant. Best synopsis, and interpretation of facts, so far. Pure genius.

-MC


Title: Re: to LilOrphan
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 03:28:35 AM
Quote from: "martin connahey"
LilOrphan:

Brilliant. Best synopsis, and interpretation of facts, so far. Pure genius.

-MC


Okay, being as you're the pseudo-Onion guy, I'm not sure how to take that one....but, um, thanks and off to sleep I go.  ;)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:28:39 AM
Quote from: "Michael22"


ahh you jerk I'm from Jersey
I still remember that 'gar barge'
that was supposed to go somewhere but wound up
just floating out in the water for most of the summer
I think that was off new york and they  were trying to send it here


Hey, sorry about the Jersey joke!  When I saw Springsteen at Madison Square Garden in 2000, he was joking about how New York sends all their garbage out to Jersey... how the NY Giants actually play in Jersey... the Statue of Liberty is really in Jersey... the song New York, New York was sung by a guy from New Jersey...


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:28:59 AM
LilOrphan,

 Do you mind if I use it on the website absolut has setup for gathering info to post instead of having to update everyone and reread posts?

I will make sure you get the proper credit!  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:29:30 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


Beth really doesn seem to believe she's alive.  However, I just don't get that impression from her father (who I assume has the same information).  He kept using the word "was" when talking about her.


Stepdad or real dad?


Real dad.


Title: Re: to LilOrphan
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:31:12 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "martin connahey"
LilOrphan:

Brilliant. Best synopsis, and interpretation of facts, so far. Pure genius.

-MC


Okay, being as you're the pseudo-Onion guy, I'm not sure how to take that one....but, um, thanks and off to sleep I go.  ;)


nite orphan and thanks!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: LilOrphan on June 23, 2005, 03:32:31 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
LilOrphan,

 Do you mind if I use it on the website absolut has setup for gathering info to post instead of having to update everyone and reread posts?

I will make sure you get the proper credit!  :wink:


Sure, but do I really want credit for it? Even I think it's rather implausible, but at least it could provide a good resolution, and might work with that wild "car chase" story that got dropped like a hot potato.

If you really think it's worth saving, though, be my guest.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 03:33:01 AM
soul beach concert attendees,crew,entourage,etc..... like 3 things: music, drugs, and sex.....actually add a 4th (young blonde white girls)


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:33:46 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Thanks right along the theory I was thinking.

She always knows she is alive. We can not know any facts therefore we know nothing lol.

The threat of the suit could be because she thinks they evidence telling her where Natalee is..Aruba is trying to solve a crime.. she just wants her daughter.

In a way they conflict each other period. They can't let her know till they get everything to convict etc..


Beth really doesn seem to believe she's alive.  However, I just don't get that impression from her father (who I assume has the same information).  He kept using the word "was" when talking about her.


Stepdad or real dad?


Real dad.


I have issues with that man. Serious ones. Doesn't seem like an active dad to me.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:35:43 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
LilOrphan,

 Do you mind if I use it on the website absolut has setup for gathering info to post instead of having to update everyone and reread posts?

I will make sure you get the proper credit!  :wink:


Sure, but do I really want credit for it? Even I think it's rather implausible, but at least it could provide a good resolution, and might work with that wild "car chase" story that got dropped like a hot potato.

If you really think it's worth saving, though, be my guest.


Thanks Orphan! I think it's a great one!  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:38:44 AM
Quote from: "tuberide"
soul beach concert attendees,crew,entourage,etc..... like 3 things: music, drugs, and sex.....actually add a 4th (young blonde white girls)


When I hear about that band etc., I think about Amy Bradley.  Remem heer folks said they had encounter with freaky band member?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:39:00 AM
I just wanted to share with my homies dat I jus chowed da bombest cookie eva....

lol


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:39:37 AM
BTW, I agree the reward seems small as I mentioned yesterday (although they did double it today, from $75K to $150K).  With the resources of the family, friends, community of MB, I'd think they could offer a million dollars.  In the chance she is being held for whatever reason, a million dollars would make anyone who knew of her whereabouts to sit up and take notice, while they may not with the smaller amount.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:40:22 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
soul beach concert attendees,crew,entourage,etc..... like 3 things: music, drugs, and sex.....actually add a 4th (young blonde white girls)


When I hear about that band etc., I think about Amy Bradley.  Remem heer folks said they had encounter with freaky band member?


I brought that up today Mike..the room went searching. They got the contact info for teh SBF, called them and got the security companys number... someone called there too I think.


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 03:40:33 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I just wanted to share with my homies dat I jus chowed da bombest cookie eva....

lol


straight up b, i can feel ya


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:41:27 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I just wanted to share with my homies dat I jus chowed da bombest cookie eva....

lol


Wicked Sweet!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:41:50 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
BTW, I agree the reward seems small as I mentioned yesterday (although they did double it today, from $75K to $150K).  With the resources of the family, friends, community of MB, I'd think they could offer a million dollars.  In the chance she is being held for whatever reason, a million dollars would make anyone who knew of her whereabouts to sit up and take notice, while they may not with the smaller amount.


Heck ya.

Bring Dog the Bounty hunter in.. he finds anyone and anything  :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:42:21 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I just wanted to share with my homies dat I jus chowed da bombest cookie eva....

lol
I can just see it now!  Wipe off yo face! :wink:


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:43:23 AM
((((hugs))) I love you guys! You all are so funny!

You do realize, though, for real that they speak that way at least here in Los Angeles? lol Anyone ever seen Malibu's Most Wanted? There are seriously some spoiled little white kids who act like that LMAO


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: TTownMike on June 23, 2005, 03:43:42 AM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
BTW, I agree the reward seems small as I mentioned yesterday (although they did double it today, from $75K to $150K).  With the resources of the family, friends, community of MB, I'd think they could offer a million dollars.  In the chance she is being held for whatever reason, a million dollars would make anyone who knew of her whereabouts to sit up and take notice, while they may not with the smaller amount.

Yeah but, when you turn her in ya got some splainin  ta do!  KNowwhutImean?


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 23, 2005, 03:45:49 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"


I have issues with that man. Serious ones. Doesn't seem like an active dad to me.


That's funny because he told me he had issues with you.  :D

Actually, I'd be curious to hear why you say that.  I know he lives in a different state, so he obviously wouldn't be as close to Natalee as Beth.  He was at her graduation though (and according to him today, she made possibly hundreds of phone calls to secure extra tickets for him).


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: CaliGirl on June 23, 2005, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
I just wanted to share with my homies dat I jus chowed da bombest cookie eva....

lol
I can just see it now!  Wipe off yo face! :wink:


LMAO!!!!!


Title: RBN #18 - 6/22/05
Post by: tuberide on June 23, 2005, 03:46:29 AM
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
Quote from: "TTownMike"
Quote from: "tuberide"
soul beach concert attendees,crew,entourage,etc..... like 3 things: music, drugs, and sex.....actually add a 4th (young blonde white girls)


When I hear about that band etc., I think about Amy Bradley.  Remem heer folks said they had encounter with freaky band member?


I brought that up today Mike..the room went searching. They got the contact info for teh SBF, called them and got the security companys number... someone called there too I think.


yeah that was when rob responded to my consistently thinking about security guards/or security-looking guys on the HI video that night....then all of a sudden it was Robs idea all day(then i was without electricity all day)...whatever - but another feeling that i have is based on my experience working events like these(which is extensive).....anytime there is a hip hop related show like this, there are always ALOT of entourage, and then a bunch more people who are not even entourage and just like hanger-on types.......and they are all about getting really f'ed up and sex.....plenty of low lifes if you know what i mean