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A gentle reminder, that at times we get heated and angry over something we read. Perhaps something someone else says. When you feel yourself typing out things you would "never say to a person if they were standing in front of you", well.. that is the time to step away.

Get a coffee, watch some TV, hug your hubby/wife, take a walk, take a shower.... take a break. Go watch the sunset.

This is a highly emotional issue that has dragged on for weeks (and might go for weeks more).

Remember, we are all real people with real feelings. Sometimes, when we type out "words" they aren't taken in the same context that we meant them.

Give others the same latitude you would like them to give you. Don't assume the worst, look for how that person could have meant something other than the worst.

Life's too short. We are not lost... our loved ones know where we are.

Be thankful.

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Yea, ponder this...maybe that is why it is all happening...to make you think you need to chip your kids...and that you need big brother to protect you from the bad guys...then eventually you have to chipped in order to work, to buy, or to sell...666[/quote]


You know people? It was an IDEA..a THOUGHT ...it wasnt something to be torn apart, ripped to shreads...It wasnt something to have all of you sarcastic ass-licks degrade....It was something to ponder, as are almost every other post on this board...I dont know who died and made you, BIGCOUNTRY , and everyone who stands in agreement with this loser, the end all be all of everything....Cant you be open minded enough to a fawking IDEA???

because they want the credit since it is their country and the FBI is acknowledging that....just thinking

if aruba LE have something and share it, could that be the reason for the requested meeting with the Holloway/Twittys

or could it be to tell them to cool it with the press?

My feeling today upon hearing reduction of FBI agents was that they got/did what was needed. I don't see them leaving because of lack of interest or because public is not so interested. IMO

EXACTLY!............I can't help but think something is going on. Perhaps because of all the bad press, the FBI/US is going to let Aruba be in the lead for being the solvers of this case?..

Yesterday NH's stepdad says more possible witnesses to be brought in as many as 9 or 10.

Thats alot of folks. What could these witnesses possibly do to support or negate their stories?

Natalee's family has been more vocal in the last couple of days, causing the VDRS's to become more vocal in response. I don't think Natalee's family would relay the details we heard last pm, unless they have been lead to think it would be OK. Also, to a person, each one of them said things were moving fast.

I have a feeling that resolution will be by or before July 4th weekend. I also feel 'authorization' for EquSearch stalled so Arubans could find NH themselves. It is their show. The bad happened there, and they want to be able to resolve it. I can understand that.

I didn't get that impression watching Fox. Seems like they are stalled in investigating.

When I first heard that Joran said he left Natalee on the beach, I was literally picturing him leaving her lying in the sand. But now he may have meant that they walked along the beach from the Marriott to the Holiday Inn, and that he left her there to walk from the beach to the hotel. Much less sinister.

So where did Joran go after that? How did he get home? I thought I heard (can't remember where) that he said one of the Kalpoe brothers picked him up -- he first said Deepak but then changed that to Satish. Anyone else hear this???

No offense, seriously, but after the last night listening to the family, I have trouble buying that.

well since neither part of LE is speaking publicly (aruban or FBI) we can't know, but i can't imagine that either side is very enthused about this being discussed on Fox news....

also if there are truly 8 or 9 other people that need to be interviewed they're getting a nice heads up with all the coverage. :(

BREAKING NEWS ON FOX

Fox News: Something about filing a motion to hold the suspects. Tease, but fast, didn't get it all.

coming in, expected after this clip of the parents of joran..................something about a motion

I understand. None of us can be sure what is going on.

Hi all! Apologies if this has been discussed. I have been wondering at what time did the news of Natalee's disappearance become "news" on the island? I ask this because if the boys were innocent, but had heard of the disappearance, it might have scared them into making up a story to cover themselves, even though they didn't know what happened to her (unlikely, but possible). If, however, their "story" was put together and they were questioned before her disappearance became common knowledge, that to me indicates some definite culpability.

Has anyone figured out that order of events? Thanks! :shock:

Hold in prison for an extra 8 days, all four suspects....Motion filed by prosecution. According to Fox

[b]JustMe:[/b]  I am able to receive PMs, but can't seem to send them. I have emailed Tom for assistance. If you received my PM, send another.
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trimmer wrote:
This was posted on Riehl today.

This is what the latest we got from a reporter who is known on the island to get confidential info from his friends in the police department.
1. All three guys agreed they left JVDS and NH near the Marriot on that night.
2. JVDS testified that he and NH went for a swim and after that whey walked bak to the hotel, where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away. Easiest if you walk on the beach, there is a walkway connecting all hotels from the beach area. He insists he left her there.
3. The DJ was suspected because he told an friend erlier that he was asked to use his boat (not the TATTOO) but a smaller vessel to dump something in the sea. That's why when inteviewed he said that he saw the guys leaving the girl at the HI, but when this story came apart, they arrested him the next day.


Has anyone heard any details on the possibility of #3. Where is this boat? Was it searched? If the above is true, how could they not seize the boat? We've heard when the police have seized other things but I have not seen anything about this "smaller vessel."

my understanding it was the next day, but our Aruba friends could answer that better

Pros filing to hold another eight days is what they just said. Agree with you that they have what they need. Maybe sending home some FBI will cause some parties to be more open?

good point

Bye, All; BBL
Chloe2, I'm still looking for verification of my comments later. I could have sworn I heard it from mother's mouth, but I could be wrong, and I don't want to carry tales, especially if they've been disproved.

Did anyone else see on FOX last night that the pond near VS home wasnt ever checked out?? And they were waitng for the dogs to arrive to check it out becasue of a foul smell???  
  Guess the Uncle is on now saying motion is filed to hold thse 4 men for another 8 days???  Is that OLD news? New news? Im confused for God sakes...

yellow ribon,

perhaps the LE have it, and the wait is for DNA from Holland? just thinking

Most Arubian, curious creature they are would ask, why do you need a boat to dump something?  in the middle of the night?  Very suspicious.

Yikes.. the repoter JUST asked why didnt NH romates know where she was at??  I asked that before in here... Her Uncle couldnt answer...

Eeeeeee; rumors father to be arrested?

JustMe & Nancy_Drew

Sorry for duplicate posts -- I keep ending up on the bottom of page. I am unable to send PMs, but I am receiving them. JM - if you got the one I sent, please reply.

<OFF TOPIC> Apologies to the forum -- PM not working.

Wonder if the dad knows the DJ?

That info about being picked up by "one of the bros" was said by Tito to Grata. Tito got the birth order of the 2 bros mixed up. The newest "story" from Riehl indicates J walked home.

Arlee, dashs' (the girl on this board who was on the trip) mom made a very good post the other day explaining this pretty well.

This is the first I've heard about #3, Is this being stated as factual, any idea where this originated..

I remember seeing something a while ago about the police seaching boats.  Maybe the police already looked into the boat.  Remember, the police probably know a lot more that they are telling us.  We, as Americans, are not used to the way other countries handle their investigations.

Not sure if this is realted, I can't understand what the article says, but find the story on this page that says "Polis ta controla tur yate na Bucuti Yacht Club."  Can someone translate?

http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/

I remember when Arlee wrote that.. I was online then.. But it was jusyt weird to hear the reporter ask the Uncle on tv.. Not blaming any of the kids..  this whole thing is a mess and I am beginning to wonder if anything will ever happen to these 4 men at all.... ugh

Hmmmm, they've sent my old pal Carol McKinley down there for Fox.  She just gave the report.

Repost only from previous thread:

Hi, I just got back from AmSouth. I made my donation to the RECOVERY fund, that's the one that will help the parents stay down there. I confirmed that. Also, the branch manager told me Natalee's Uncle is a top guy there at Amsouth and has been going every couple of days to search. he's back there now. Just some info

Sorry for some of the confusion between threads RBN 18 and 19. We were at page 88 far over what we usually go to. Cat wasn't on so I made an executive decision to make the new thread to save load times etc. It did not go as smoothly as I would have hoped.

Thanks for the PM heads up about the length.

Back to your regularly scheduled posting.

Is there a web site where we can make contibutions? I would imagine somebody would have set one up by now.

Does anybody out there believe ANYTHING coming from these three at this point?? I sure as h*ll don't.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, we won't get fooled again. GWB

Steve's Lawyer is going  to court @2:30 trying to get Steve out.. OR get info From the Pros.
**But I'm Blond**

This doesn't really make sense.  If he was interview last thursday like all the reports i've heard had said, then why would he corroborate their HI story that most of the media was saying they retracted.  Doesn't make sense.

I'm planning to make a contribution to the Texas search group...they're a non-profit and it seems they need the resources right now.

Did fox have breaking news?

I have no idea if the post from trimmer is valid. It just seems to me that it would be pretty noticable if a boat was seized, that it would have gotten press coverage and that somebody here would remember seeing it. However, there have been complaints about the police not seizing some pretty obvious stuff.

"We won't be fooled again" is not GWB. It's Pete Townsend.

I heard rumors of father being detained today?

Yeah something about detaining them 8 more days.

yes but not alot said Absolut...  only a motion has been filed to keep the guys for another 8 days... that was basically it.. everything else is just repetitive..

But, who asked him??

well if you can call it that, they didn't even spend the money to use the ALERT music and banner. It was just that motions being filed to keep the 4 another 8 days, and the defense is trying to get info from LE.

I am aware of that. GWB did say as I quoted.

Heck, angie..i stay confused about this case..but i didnt h ear about that...hmmmmm

Fox reported the pending court hearing the lawyers hope will happen today. Apparently all four lawyers have filed papers.

Also, some news guy gave a report on the exchange between Joran and the brothers supposedly while being interrogated...we've heard it here before about who picked up Joran.

I take any reporters comments with a huge grain of salt.  They said it was the first time Joran admitted he made an error...

Repost of my previous post.  Can someone translate the article that was listed on the proud_college_republican site a few days ago.  Something about police searching a boat.

"I remember seeing something a while ago about the police seaching boats. Maybe the police already looked into the boat. Remember, the police probably know a lot more that they are telling us. We, as Americans, are not used to the way other countries handle their investigations.

Not sure if this is realted, I can't understand what the article says, but find the story on this page that says "Polis ta controla tur yate na Bucuti Yacht Club." Can someone translate? "

http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/

When are they gonna put a cable drop at my desk. Oh and a TV, when I worked at the Discovery Channel we had it :)

I copied the Reihl post and pasted it here for you all to see.  Not sure if it is fact as we don't know what is fact on this board.  Just thought it interesting and thought you might want to see it.  Look for yourself there, alot of talk about dumping body at sea. The post I copied was from someone by the name of "Meadia Freak"

I just spoke w/ AmSouth, no web account has been set up yet, but you can mail in a check or money order, and specify REWARD or RECOVERY
(Recovery is for family expenses to stay down there and other expenses to recover her)

A Reward and Recovery Trusts have been set up through Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, AL
Account names:
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Recovery Fund
Family of Natalee Holloway Trust Reward Fund

Please send donations to:
Baker Crow
Amsouth Bank
Trust Department
PO Box 11426
Birmingham, AL 35202

***** Please note weather your donation is for the Reward or Recovery Trust Fund.

LOL..  8)

The last time I've ever heard speculation so rampant was when DB Cooper vanished.

Been thinking for a couple of days... Have you ever half jokingly said to someone in paradise something like... "I wish I did not have to go",  or "I wish someone would just take me away from it all"

Be careful y'all at times exactly what you wish for...

G_d bless the USA

Well, if he was asked to dump something, what was his answer?


There is no way you can walk on the beach from a point past the Marriot to the HI and not be seen...unless the ones seeing you are the ones taking you.  There are guards lurking on all the hotel grounds.

Got your point....I'm a blond give me a break

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/23/missing.children.ap/index.html

Story about 3 missing boys in NJ. No amber alert?

I do hope you are correct...however the FBI not  being allowed to 'do their job' it is also a reason for them to leave or at least reduce their staff.

I was very surprised to see the interview with the VDS's last night....I am amazed that their attorney would allow it.  I gotta tell you my heart went out to Mrs. VDS......she is a mother doing what any mother in this situation would do..she loves her son, trusts that he is telling the truth and standing by him..I would do the same things for my son.  It seems to me the only things the general public, us inclided, really knows is Natalee is missing and the 3 young men are presumably the last to see her....and in some way SG has some connection....or maybe he really doesn't....all the rumors and suppositions and theories are just that...I pray that Natalee will be found alive.....but I also pray for world peace...neither do I think either attainable in my lifetime though....I can not even begin to think that Natalee willingly had sex with 3 guys.....that's  pretty hard core IMO....my theory??  I honestly don't have one because there are so few facts that we actually know to be true...has JVS REALLY changed his story???  So it's been reported...but it was also reported that there was a confession and  the police were being led to where she was....???  When no information is giving it leaves the door open to theories and gossip....and there has sure been a lot of that..but also we have heard over and over that if information come out BEFORE a trial then that infoemation may not be used by the prosecution..I saw a retired Aruban police detective on the Abrams Report and was actually ill....he was so off the wall IMO, blaming Natalee...she ran away, the family needs to be looked into...yadda, yadda, yadda... my thought was that others seeing this would think as I I did  'this is representative of the Aruban Polis'....thank goodness he is retired!  I believe the Arbuan Polis messed up by letting the 3 go in the first place and I honestly do not believe they can ever recoup from that error. I have constantly been amazed that there is next to nothing on the news  about the brothers..... My heart goes out to Natalee's family....to all the families involved in this terrible situation....I call it a situation cause we don't know what it REALLY is...

Like nearly everyone on this board I have become 'attached' to the family in my heart....and my heart aches for them...but it also aches for Joren's mother...and no matter how this turns out.....she will forever carry this with her.....

As for the bickering, name calling and racial slurs being tossed around here lately...it's difficult for ME to read, and I have not been involved in it..... it is so senseless and hurtful....hopefully those involved will stop and allow this message baord to be a peaceful haven again.

Thanks

Oh My Gosh.. I myself have said those phrases a million times when I went away....  Yikes!

Horrible story here. Worst city, crime wise, if you want to go to the Aquarium, they give you directions via 10-mile detour to keep you safe. Scary.

A couple days ago I think on Hannity and Combs there was another Arubian spokes lady, did anyone catch her name?  I wasn't that Marianna Croes lady....

This is saying that J left her on the walkway in front of the Marriott. He walked home, she walked along the walkway towards/to the HI.

Maybe this was posted already, but if so I missed it.

Mrs. VDS on Today show this morning:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

Not a troll.  Just reading and not posting.  Got bitten the other day for being new and chose to stay away after that.

Hi, Rob.  Thought your info about security was interesting.  Having them *69 was very thought-provoking.

Never claimed to be psychic and surely due to watching too much Fox,  had a very bizarre dream last night regarding this subject.  Scared me how realistic our thoughts can be.  I guess I went to sleep thinking of that area near JVDS' home with the pond that had not been searched.  That would have been one of the areas I would have thought they would have looked very early on due to proximity, ravine, water and discarded items.  Very common discard area being used by someone and surely JVDS would have been familiar with it.  Other locals would be, too, I would think.  Wonder why no one had checked that before, now? Including family.

I am very much in support of the family, but being from the South, I know that southern attitude when I see it, and I was very much surprised at Mr. Twitty's attitude when being interviewed by Greta last night.  I can surely see their frustration, fatigue, worry, etc. but if he and his friends had come into my yard at 3am with that same attitude, I would have been defensive as well.  I found him to be very different in his approach than Mr. Twitty and Mr. Holloway have been on the occasions I have seen them being interviewed and Mrs. Twitty's approach to the locals.  I am sure she has her own frustrations and negativisms, too, but I think she realizes the importance of "catching more flies with honey" and I personally think putting Mr. Twitty on TV is not going to help them get encourage any of the locals to get more involved or those required to offer anymore than is necessary.

Let's just keep thinking of Elizabeth Smart and that she DID come home.

He did say that, only he muddled it up  :lol:

I'm copying my earlier post here. Has this been discussed already? I'm very curious about this.

"Hi all! Apologies if this has been discussed. I have been wondering at what time did the news of Natalee's disappearance become "news" on the island? I ask this because if the boys were innocent, but had heard of the disappearance, it might have scared them into making up a story to cover themselves, even though they didn't know what happened to her (unlikely, but possible). If, however, their "story" was put together and they were questioned before her disappearance became common knowledge, that to me indicates some definite culpability.

Has anyone figured out that order of events? Thanks!"

The report indicated the rumors are rampant regarding a pending arrest of the father.  Nothing comfirmed. They did liken it to Steve Croes who was first  interviewed...and then soon after arrested.

Nothing confirmed.

Nicely said Sunny... My heart also went out to Mrs VDS.. I think she was very sincere.. and not that I judge people.. the woman herself looked very haggered.. SHE even said they should of not been let go to begin with when they were questioned.. I found that very impressive on her part!

Has any info about Lorenzo van Rinj surfaced?  (Besides the original rumors of his being offshoot of van der Sloot, crazy, etc.)

Seems like his name came up and then --- nothing!

I think she knows more than she is telling.

Got Whine?
Loser...Troll...Whatever...
You had an idea, it was stupid, and you were called on it.
I forgot it halfway through my side-salad.
Grow up.

wait.......Who.?

About that area near the house with the pond and dump area.  I COULD HAVE HEARD THIS WRONG as I was interrupted when that report was on last night.  BUT, did anyone hear them say there was a "smell" coming from that area?  Again, I could be way off base on what was said...but, thought I'd ask if anyone else heard that comment?

I think she's (Mrs. VDS) finally decided that she needs to speak up to defend her son.
That 'taking the high road' and keeping quiet is not working.

I'm not saying he's not guilty (or guilty for that matter) just that being a mom, you can only take so much before you have to defend your child.

I am really curious about these 7 or 8 people that are expected to be arrested soon. I keep hearing about the people but nothing you can bite your teeth into.  Up to 12 people involved and NO ONE talks? Sure tickles my brain. Any ideas monkeys?

Absolut,

As the crow flies, aren't you about 40 miles west of a mess instead of 60? Was in the Harper's Ferry area last year. Beautiful area.

But I digress...

The Arubans don't get Fox so they won't see his interview.

Got Whine?
Loser...Troll...Whatever...
You had an idea, it was stupid, and you were called on it.
I forgot it halfway through my side-salad.
Grow up.[/quote]

So you missed the post about being a guest in someone else' house?

Gearge W. Bush

Its 54 miles from my house to Mclean while riding the Mustang from the ford stable. Tried the crows approach to commuting, took too many to get us off the ground the car is heavy.

I thought the same thing when he was being interviewed.  THe part about going into the school and hanging up posters.  I am surprised they were not kicked out.  There is not a school in the USA that would allow people just to walk in and start asking if a student is there.  I realize their frustration and anger.  But I am telling you - if my daughter was involved in something and I had no knowledge of it and a bunch of strangers came to my house in the middle of the night and started questioning me - I would call the the authorities.  

Now, having said all that I truly feel for her family and understand the frustration anger, etc.  I do believe Jorans mother said we both have pain, but I know where my son is and she does not know where her daughter is - I in no way thought she was trying to say her suffering was the same or worse, in fact I thought she was trying to point out that their was less.  I watched that interview and when it was over I had much more respect for her - I thought she showed much empathy for what was going on.  Just my thoughts for the day.

The title translates as something like:  Police are controlling all yachts at Bucati Yacht Club.

Polis ta controla tur yate na Bucuti Yacht Club

It was pretty quick. Word started to spread around here before it appeared in the Birmingham News or on local TV. I went on line and found some local newspapers in Aruba that had Natalee's picture up. I do not remember the timeline but I found out either 5-31 or 6-1 and started looking then. Natalee's mom and step dad were in Aruba the night of 5-30 so they may have been on the island and at the VDS house before the newspapers, etc. picked up the story. Maybe that will help you get started.

I heard the same thing also Nancy.. but also there is alot of garbage near the pond as well.. I cant get over that it hadnt been searched prior.. what BS.....!!!  SO.. you heard right!

Read yesterday that Kerin in Tx posted one of her students was missing in Mexico. . .j/w if everything is okay??

Thats Ok, I caught it right after I posted, and I was hoping no one would notice!

Where did you hear this????

Very Funny!

Everything turned out fine, we got no details. Which is probably just as well.

Yes, she reported that everything turned out to be ok.

Hasibokos reports today that the investigation is stalled and the Aruban authorities are waiting for the Texas search team. . .and two FBI agents are leaving.  Just wondering if things are stalled or resolved?  Have been away from the posts for a few hours. . .any information on this?

(((Wench))  didnt know you were on..

Hi all :D

top 95 interview with anita vds and greta

That's what I'm wondering, when the Twittys showed up at the VDS home at midnight-ish on 5/30, were the VDS's already aware that Natalee was missing, or was this "news". It might be very insightful to know that. Thanks for the input. By the way, I grew up in Cahaba Heights, and my family still lives in B'ham, so I'm very interested in this case. Could've happened to almost any girl I knew in high school, including myself.

She said that it was.

yeah I keep hearing this
what the heck...how could it be so many people all at once

what the heck is it a gang or something..?

'the street gang of aruba that roams the beaches at night"

ugh

AZSunny.. it was on Fox earlier.... I heard it as well.. but its just a rumor.. no confirmation!

Whoa...the guy they just interviewed on Fox had a very dismal view of the FBI's involvement i nthis case.  He said the FBI has never been formally asked to be part of the investigation. He said that was wrong.  He feels there has been more corruption in this investigation.

He said one good thing is that two FBI agents from Birmingham have been there and the evidence they have collected may well turn this tide, but he was rather negative about the FBI leaving AND their small role in this investigation.

Hope he's wrong..but, he was very astute.

Lead by really tall 17 year old.

Just a thought, but his mother said last night that he spoke about the case a lot at school.  I wouldn't doubt that he might have told them something that might contradict what he told police.

That's what I'm wondering, when the Twittys showed up at the VDS home at midnight-ish on 5/30, were the VDS's already aware that Natalee was missing, or was this "news". It might be very insightful to know that. Thanks for the input. By the way, I grew up in Cahaba Heights, and my family still lives in B'ham, so I'm very interested in this case. Could've happened to almost any girl I knew in high school, including myself.

Oops! Sorry I forgot to quote. I'm a lurker/ponderer more than a poster.

I'm with you((Hannie))

Yeah but Dave Holloway also said he thinks this case is near resolution, but we've heard that alot, I am thinking the 7 or 8 individuals may have been in contact w/ Joran by cell, text, or computer. His Mom even said she told him to stop running off at the moth about it a t school.


Or maybe they did take Nat to some party or the Tattoo and there were others there.

:shrugs: Just throwing ideas out there

...in a blue plaid shirt!  :lol:

I love GWB, but I realize that he has taken elocution lessons from Yogi Berra. My favorite Yogiism is, "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it."

1) Having grown up at a place surronded by the ocean and having 2 ponds, if I wanted to get rid of something, it would be in the ocean, not a pond that could be drained or where there was no chance for the item to be washed away.

2) I also found Mr. Twitty's account of that first night very different from what Mrs. Twitty had said previously.

Larissa and friends? :?  :?

See if the Aruban newspapers have archives. That may answer your questions. Cahaba Heights is right next door.

I don't know, that was my question   :lol:
It sure does tickle my brain.  Up to 12 people involved and........nothing?
Interesting.... :roll:

I felt sorry for Joran's mom when she talked with Greta...

Then this morning the talked with Matt on the Today Show and it was a different story.  I no longer feel sorry for that lady.

Did anyone else see her this morning?

I agree DT.. thing that is strange is if he went to school the next day NOT knowing yet NH was missing. wtf could of he said.. His other said he had to be at schoo the next day at 8..??  Weird!

My thoughts exactly. I have a teenage daughter and I can understand wanting answers right away and why they did what they did. I honestly cant say I wouldnt have done the same thing. I also have a teenage son though, and can understand being upset about someone showing up at my house in the middle of the night looking for a missing girl your son was with. IF they knew nothing about Natalee at that time, and this was the first time they heard about it,  for all they knew then she just ran off. Of course that turned out to be not true...but seems to be what Joran lead them to believe based on his moms statements.
As for telling him he didnt have to say anything. Honestly, his father knows the laws, and probably went into "lawyer mode". My mother in laws works for a law firm and does the same thing. Just my opinion anyway.

Uh no, could you explain, give details of what she said etc.

No, tell us what she said.

LOL You are on a roll this morning..

Exactly, I think Anita is a very, nice compassionate person.  After seeing them interviewed my opinion has toatally changed about them . They are good people and only want answers and whats best for their son.

What do you expect him to say to his mother?

Mom:  Joran, did you have anything, anything at all, to do with this girl disapperance?

Joran:  Well, mom....

Mom:  Joran, please...

Joran:  Yeah, mom,  I had everything to do with it...

I mean seriously.  How is this news?  If I killed someone I would tell my mother I was innocent as well.

Jeez....

Well he may not have said anything the next day, it was probably after they realized she was missing (tuesday I would think) that he would have told his friends something.

I may be wrong but I don't think it is within the Dutch culture to seek media attention. If Greta and BHT hadn't approached them that 1st day, I'll bet the VdSs' wouldn't have approached the media. Hannie C, are you here to comment, I hope?

Maybe Anita but Paulus, NAH
Did you see Greta's crew do a close up of all that sweat rolling down PapaSmurfs head? EEEWWW get a hanky , dude!

Missed that.. what did she say? Anyhting different then what she said last night with Greata???

Yeah Kimi, give up the goods!!!

 :)

chloe2:
Indeed.

An important distinction to keep in mind WRT the detained and/or the suspicious (PVDS) is that in the absense of indisputable facts [video of events, confession, two or more independant corroborating eye witnesses, Natalee Holloway herself (dead or alive)], there are two possible statuses.  (And, yes, that is the correct plural spelling of "status," but I did have to check... )

1.  Not responsible for disappearance.
2.  Responsible for disappearance.

The above mentioned five people, by virtue of their own actions and words, are responsible for placing themselves in a subset that overlaps the two possiblities:

Suspected responsibility for disappearance.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Presumption of guilt is simply inaccurate.  That said, to remove the possibility of guilt is within the power of the five, just as it was in their power to create it.  This, they have chosen not to do.  Again, this does not make them guilty, but it begs the question, "Why?"

So if that's true, he'll be arrested sometime around 6:30 AM tomorrow.

Here is the link for the interview with Matt.  I hope you can see the video of it because the article doesn't show the attitude that she displayed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

So, again, if 1, 2 and 3 are all correct, why would the 3 amigos lie the first time and say they left her at the H.I.? Why would Steve say they left her at the H.I.? Because obviously there was collusion to make sure they lied about the same thing.

If they all had nothing to do with her disappearance and if they did go there and leave her to walk home alone, there would be no need to lie and Joran, when approached 24 hours later by her mother and stepfather would have said, "Last I saw her she was walking toward the H.I."

It just doesn't make sense for them to lie when there was no reason to lie.

Exactly why they are acting the way they are - he has told them so they have to believe that for now.  Heck, even she questioned why they let them go

Wow you took the words out of my mouth.  I do have to differ on the retired polis, so called Elio Nicolaas... Yes he is miffed on the short interview, and he did say he wanted to have the parents also interviewed., with some  50 question he has to collaborate and get a feel for the situation.  I know many here say it s inconsequential that Nat or Hootie, is beyond question, and is the victim, so are all the MB student and family. Well, true investigation you need to question over and over all suspect or witnesses....Today in Aruba.com, there is a source saying FBI, wanted to interview the parents..is this why Beth Holloway Twitty could not accompany Greta Van Susteren to a second interview with the Van Sloots?   Anyway back to Elio, he was also I believe a high ranking official, maybe even Prime Minister of Aruba. I dunno this for sure tho.  

Let me just reitterate for all those who might quickly say the 3 suspect are  the murderer. ... again this based so far on MSM (main stream media, both Arubian and American equally froth with all kinda errors...and also sniplets of comments here there in cluded MB that were close there..).

1. No confession, none of the 3 have confessed to murder.  With assistance or observation of FBI, I think despite near Gitmo treatment 3 young men, never in trouble, have not 'cracked', because they are telling the truth.
2. These so called sniplets of suspect changing there stories, supposedly Deepak email, all this is either bogus or heresay.  Maybe the cops are trying to sow misinformation in there desperation to hang this on someone.  There is no coverup, there is not pin it on the White guy vs. the black guy.  Yes he was the last with Nat, but on the way to HI, a second story unfolded.
3. What the heck happened in CnC, Im still curious, I think this can shed light to the the mystery.  Yes Nat may have made a judgement error, but what if she did not?  Trust you feeling, she went with Joran, despite a near fist fight in CnC, despite all her 'good friends' that were right there!  Something strange happened before something Bad happened.
4. Oh the issue of 'Something Bad Happened, let me explain my view..
Police 1:  Natalee is still missing, you were the last to see her.  Where is she?
Joran: I left her on the beach, that is the last time I saw her.
Police 1: Your lying! You psycho where i s Natalee?
Joran: I don't Know, I don't know
Police 1: Well what you think happened with her?
Joran: I don't know, maybe something bad happened with her afterwards..

Five hours later Police 1, steps out, gets mugged from the American Press.

Press: Did the suspect confess?
Police: no.
Press: Did the suspect say where Natalee is?
Police: no
Press: What does the suspect think happened with Natalee.
Police:  I don't know, but I think he thinks something bad happened to Natalee.

AP press, Fox News: Suspect confesses, "Something Bad Happened" to Natalee.

Also lest not forget, major sophisticated MSM, report wrong info, remember the story of the suspect confessed, Natalee is dead, etc etc..we even had a web page here in memory of her.

5. I ve turned 180 degrees and now am focusing on alternative ending where Joran is telling the truth, and the Kalpoes as well. If that is the case my focus now possibly lies to SGC, SBF, and the Students hanging out till 5am at Holiday Inn.

CancunMole wrote:



You`re absolutly right cancun, it isn`t near our culture to do such thing.
In the US everything is being played tru the media especially high profile cases, I think that`s also b/c of the jurysystem there. But here it isn`t that same way b/c we don`t have a jurysystem.

No I liked him too !!
They showed a lot of class, if someone was saying the stuff they are saying on the media about my son and my family. I don't think I would be as kind.

All OK and Kerin posted it later in the day.

ROFLMAO  I saw the sweat also Diva.. AND what was weird.. why the heck would pappy VS get up in the middle of an interview to  answer the phone and not be sititng there comforting his distraught wife the whole time who was visibly upset??  Just a thought...!!

I'll send my husband over--he works for a cable company and can set u up with a drop-- :lol:

I agree.  I have four kids and they are ALL so different.   They were all raised with the same love and guidance...but, no matter what they all come out so different... I have twins who are completely different...one very sensible, low key and responsible...the other impulsive, short attention span, tends to be tardy, loses  homework, forgets duties....fortunately he's got a heart of gold and is loved everywhere.  BUT, he needs far more guidance and understanding than his twin.

It's why I can't blame the parents for EVERYTHING!!!!

I agree, I think he knows more than he's telling JMO tho

Its on the main page post of Scared Monkeys,

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1178

Go to the bottom MSNBC video

No, do tell please.........

I didn't feel sorry for her one bit when I watched her interview.  I could sense SOMETHING was up her sleeve.  Too emotional and the father was too quiet.  Way too quiet.

Thanks I guess he'll be here tomorrow?

Good post kirbeysquirrel I bolded what you said that struck me also.  At this point, the initial excoriation of the Van Der S's family is being tempered by their public interviews by Greta/Fox.  The dad knows that loose lips sink ships.  One thing Mr. Twitty said was that Joran, on that initial 3 AM confrontation, said to this father, "Don't worry papa, I want to help them find their daughter," as Mr. VDS apparently was trying to silence his son.  

We'll see.  For sure, the initial publicity against Joran might have strung him up on the nearest tree.  l

Please, before any more gushes of compassion for this woman, please give me ONE bit of evidence that this is not a narcissistic family. I can give you dozens that it is.

And further, IMHO, there could be a couple of reasons , maybe three or more, you would not divulge the truth.
1. You fear the retribution of another party (unbeknownst at this time) more than you fear the authorities
2. You think you can get away with the activity scott free.
3. You fear what your truth's will do to your family/loved ones.

Lausa --

No, nothing more on him, anywhere, other than those first few days where he was said to be questioned and released (though it was never confirmed).  Sure raises red flags to me.

Can someone give some details of this Today Show interview?  I can't access video with my slow connection.

No, what was different?

I am unable to play the interview with Anita on my computer - even though I did not see it - I am thinking that Matt Lauer is much more of a heavy hitter than Greta - Greta shows proper compasion and is very fair and has a much better approach to people like the VDS - Matt he probably is ticked cuz Greta scooped everyone and at this point the VDS who are not used to our crazy media frenzy - are not so willing to talk - can't blaim them!

Also where are these 7to8  people that Mr. Holloway talked about - I expected a gang arrest today - and the rumor is that there is a stalemate??

I don't think they knew Natalee was missing. The police didn't even know until the Twitty's contacted after they'd landed at 11 pm. They spent, what? the next two hours finding out Joran's name and address, contacted the police and drove there, arriving around 1 am and were there until about 4 am.

IF Joran were innocent in this and IF he did swim with Natalee and they both parted at the Marriott to walk home in separate directions, then THAT'S what he would have told her parents. IF he told them that, then he COULDN'T have told the police a different story about driving her to the H.I. because he definitely would have been busted.

That means he LIED the first time he was hit with the news she was missing -- when Natalee's mom and stepfather were at his house.

I think that means he's probably not the little angel his mother thinks he is.
And papa v.d. sloot? Somethings just not right there.

Maybe I'm too symphathetic, but I didn't see anything but a mom defending her child.

I think you have a good point. Who is SGC and SBF?

I have been very emotional myself when it comes to my son.. hes been in some trouble himself.. Stupid trouble to say the least.. and I have cryed my eyes out because of it.. and because I did.. didnt make him guilty.. its a mothers emotions over their child is all.. guilty or not...My son wasnt guily of anything other then being a teenage boy...AND was told this by professionals as well.. where I again I sat and cryed..!!

The 'jury' in this case is the American tourist, responsible for nearly 80% of Aruba's tourism revenue.

JVDS may well find himself safer in prison over the next 10-20 years than a walking target for anyone intent on seeing justice served.

I have a question do we have a timeline of the following hours all the way to the twittys showing up at VDS when JVDS was actually there at 3:30 am

This does have a point I swear. Please list what happened by time after 3am on the 30st- 3am 31st for JVDS and the brothers. The best you know it. This will tell an interesting tail i believe not to mention a couple of kids who were up for a long long time.

That's what I'm thinking. If the boys were innocent, and news of the disappearance hadn't gotten out yet, they lied to cover up their involvement in a crime. All the lies!

OK, I just watched the interview on MSNBC and she does come off in a more arrogant way, tho defending her son, she said he was questioned the first day, and should now be released b/c he has not broken under interrogation. So that kinda contradicts her statement to Greta that he should have been held the first day. She was not emotional like last night and says she cant understand why BHT feels like these 3 hold the key to her daughter vanishing. She also says more ppl saw Natalee that nite? Did I hear that right? Anywhoo, I understand her defending her son, but she's got a completely different attitude than she did w/ Greta

JMO

Matt the impeccable journalist should have asked her about all the story changes :roll:

Natalee thought Joran was pretty charming, too. Bottom line: Narcissists can really turn on the charm, when they need to.

She came across as someone concealing a lot of information. That's the way she seemed to me. Like she was telling everyone what a wonderful son she had, but at the same time it was almost like she was mentally shoving down the fact that he was involved in this. She had very twitchy gestures, like she was trying to avoid her son's involvement. It just wasn't the passionate, firm, indignant maybe even angry attitude you would expect a mother to have if she REALLY believed her son was TOTALLY innocent. Mother's are very protective. But when they REALLY believe their child is innocent and wrongly accused, they are MAD. She wasn't like that.

In the first local TV show, about Natalee dissaperance most Arubians were dumbfounded, as if the message was not clear...see the poster..

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

I am pretty sure we don't know what Natalee thought.

Scott wrote:




So b/c the 'american tourist'  is responsible for tourism on aruba, that gives them the right to prosecute and sentence a boy with them selfs
even without any prove or something? Sounds like taking the rights in your own hands! We don`t live in the middleages anymore fyi!!

Thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts on this.  Yes, I can imagine there is an odor from all of that garbage in that pond area.  It will be interesting to see what they do find in there that is not related to this case at all!

I am glad that the folks there are not able to see the televised casts of Fox, there.  I would be disappointed for the locals who are truly trying to help to see some of what is shown.

And personally, if I had done something really bad, my mother WOULD be the very one I would tell the truth to.  There is no way I could look her in the eye and see that much hurt and continue to lie to her.  I would have to be a true sociopath to continue to hurt someone that much.

Gotta run for a while but I will continue to keep reading your thoughts and hoping this resolves, soon.

I agree, I didn't think she was anything but composed and even-toned.  Matt Lauer wasn't rude, either.  It was just one more interview that gave us NO more information than we already know.

Yep and Matt didn't question her nearly as much as Greta.  I think she is covering something up.  It's almost like she was about to say, "my son feels guilty for what he has done"

maybe the fbi is leaving in order to explore my theory more indeptly.. after all the perptrators have left the island....

Yeah, I can see where that could be confusing.

carrying thru with that, he had to tell LE the same story, and then was released. Perhaps he was surveilled.

And her body language was weird to , rocking side to side,

Any experts on body language here that has seen the video?

...ahhh, so ...you ARE lurking and observing...

I'm starting to believe you Professor ,your wife must be a narcissist because she really did drive you crazy  :lol:  :lol:

ATTN: PROFESSOR.

WE GET IT.
THE FAMILY IS NARCISSISTIC.
POINT MADE.
PLEASE MOVE ON.
ONE POST WITHOUT THE WORD NARCISSISM IN IT.
JUST ONE.
PLEASE.

b_b_c: (quote)
1. You fear the retribution of another party (unbeknownst at this time) more than you fear the authorities
2. You think you can get away with the activity scott free.
3. You fear what your truth's will do to your family/loved ones.

No. 1 is the only possibility that is an answer to, "If innocent, why are they choosing not to exonerate themselves?  And a sound one.

No. 2 is an answer only under the cirmcumstance they are responsible (guilty), therefore doesn't apply to question posed.

No. 3's a bit off, if innocent.  What is happening to their families/loved ones today is much worse than if they would exonerate themselves.  If they are responsible and worried about what truth will do to families, again doesn't apply to question.

But your 1st option is the only explanation I can imagine as to why they are allowing the waters to remain muddy.

YES-between the hours of 8-12!!

ahh it was her hair on one side causing her to rock and sweat on the other side------

let s sum it up..

23 days,
no evidence.
no forensics.
no confession.
and no idea what the hell happened....

it s hard to believe

That's my take, too.  That the son could lie to everyone, but would know that the mom would be on his side no matter what.  That he could tell her anything.

On the money, Rob.

i ve been i sales for 20 years..i think i know body language.....

You know, what amazes me on this blog site are the questions no one (other than the FBI, most probably) have asked. And it has nothing at all to do with the alibis of the roadies on the Soul Festival Tour.

#1 Who brought Natalee her last drink, prior to leaving C and C?

#2 Who touched it, before that?

#3 How soon was it, before she left?

#4 How much of it did she drink?

Remember, Natalee wasn't exactly doing a lap dance for Joran. And, by the time she got into the Kalpoes' car, she was yelling "Aruba. Aruba."

Those were her last recorded words, upon this planet.

No doubt, the FBI has compiled a list of everyone who touched, or who could have touched, that drink. Have you noticed how silent the Mountain Brook people are? And have you wondered where all these leads are coming from?

Think about it.

In my opinion.. I would think that a mother could very easily tell when their child is lying..at least I can tell with my kids.. my son got accused of something in school...got kicked out for 3 freakin days to boot.. I questioned the hell out of him...I rarely ever see my son cry.. but he did..I could tell he was telling the truth. had a big fight with the school and ended up having to call the PD in my area...PD stuck up for me and my son.. the school dropped the crap cause they had NO proof.. and it was ALL over a damn computer speaker.. he was the last to be seen near it.. and was being accused of stealing it cause it disappeared the same damn day... Other kids had stories of other kids touching it.. taking it. etc.....
IF I thought my kid was guilty.. he would have been paying to replace this thihng himself out of his own money.. Im not sticking up for JVS mother...but I would think if she does get to visit.. and perhaps hear him speak.. as a mother she could tell if hes lying or not.. hes 17... unless hes fooled her all of his life!

You pretty much summed it up. That's all they have so far.

Ever watched a Braves game?  Leo rocks all the time.  Tension relief.

2. JVDS testified that he and NH went for a swim and after that whey walked bak to the hotel, where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away. Easiest if you walk on the beach, there is a walkway connecting all hotels from the beach area. He insists he left her there.

THIS PART IS E*X*T*R*E*M*E*L*Y* HARD TO BELIEVE!!!  Sorry to say folks - I cannot imagine what circumstances would make for a young man to just leave a girl (well known or not) off NEAR her hotel.
DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!

Kinda like the security guard who was initially arrested, his mom was on the first night, and shrieking, raising her hands in the air, very animated., and stating "my son had NOTHING to do with this". Eh?

Maybe the 3 DO fear someone else more than the cushy KIA

And PapaSmurf probably told Joran that w/o a body he will most likely be set free as long as he never folds, and Nat's Fam will eventually go home. Maybe he helped dispose of her so this would happen, him being a judge to be/ lawyer and all he Knows no body=no jail

Right, Good Point

I'm not suggesting it's right.  We live in a civilized society based on law and order.  I'm also being real.  What do you think happens when some friends or family of Natalee's, or even some deranged lunatic, run into Joran alone at night?  I think he and his family, as well as the Kalpoe kids, have every reason to fear for their safety if they are exonerated.

The reason Aruba is under such scrutiny from the American media is because the island, for all intents and purposes, is a Dutch protectorate leased to America for their tourism and leisure.  This dynamic is responsible for the tension that presently exists.

Mark Hacking was a fool.

no, no, the interview took place on a boat, which caused her to sway back and forth. Rumors have it...after the interview she was sea sick.
 :shock:
 :lol:

Felt sorry for her, really? I mean other than a mom believing nothing of what her son maybe capable ... ok, I'll buy that but thats about it. Folks this is a small island. When I lived there I could not go anywhere without running into someone who knew me or my parents or a friend ... etc. The mom would have to know that Joran was in the casino's, bars, etc.

That interview was so contrived yesterday because the appointment was made during the 90 minute interview the day before. Beth did not show but if you notice the VDS's went from wanting no cameras the day before to full camera action the next day.

She claims his innocence but he still was 1 of 3 last to see Natalee and has no explanation that holds. Nightmare!!! Nightmare is when your child vanishes w/o a trace, not when your son may be responsible for the disappearance or has direct knowledge to what may have happened.

Maybe the first shift if leaving and a second one is on its way?

And what do you think?

in my opinion, just more garbage about Natalee, victim or not. I think it was done by some image editing program. No different than the other rumors that have been proven to be lies. I think you and those who keep trying to get this poster on TV are sick. Unless it is acknowledged by Natalee's family I think you should stop this nonsense. Even if they do acknowledge responsibility for it, so what?. I would try anything to appeal to my daughter or son or spouse for that fact. Do you want to know the nickname for them?....for my spouse-Booty. so there :twisted:  :twisted:

Sorry this is the first ill post I have made, I apologize.

I have heard that during interviews, if a person looks down and to the left they are lying.

Maybe she had to pee.

A mother knows where her kid is lying. They've got eyes in the back of their head and instincts better than any known radar. If she'd questioned, she could have cracked him and may very well have done just that. Which would mean now she would have to hide the fact he's done something awful.

so maybe it was more along the lines of:

Mom: Did you do something to her?
Joran: No! I swear, Mom!
Mom: Joran! Don't you even THINK about lying to me! Did you do something to that girl?
Joran: It was an accident. I swear!

Remember, too, this woman is a SCHOOL TEACHER. She's heard it all, seen it. Excuses up the ying yang. She knows when a student or her own kid is lying like a rock.

I think she knows he was involved and she's having a hard time reconciling that with the image she wants her son to be.

Im no body language interpreter or profiler, but if I d take a guess I d say those might have been uncomforatble or hard chairs? I dunno, J.A.F.O...

I had to sit and think about that for a minute.. forgot who Mark was.. Anyhow.. sorry for rambling on about my kid.. has nothng to do with this..but as a mother.. a mother will stick by her kid if she truly belives their innocence.. OH and trust me.. my kid is 15 and no angel,, I know when he is lying and when he isnt..

I really thinking beating up on the parents is unecessary. Both sides of parents to me are guilty in this case IF WE want to blame parents.

I think that should say...that's all WE have so far.

Darn FOX..More AD'S for "Breaking Storys"..
than Content in the Storys :evil:

please quit posting that this is all "your" theory....others were involved

Back to a ? I had early this morning--

Did the police or anyone go to the McD's where JVDS and PVDS were.  Did they ? the employees working that day on the late shift--ask if JVDS was there--if alone or with someone and/or others.  Or maybe take pics of people--NH, JVDS, PVDS, DK, SK, SC --have the employees ID any pics of those they saw.  And also ? if were there-what time was it?

Mark killed his wife and fooled his whole family into thinking he was a smart super genius.  And he had fooled them his whole life.  Fool=Lied.

Maybe that's all  we have, but not LE and the FBI.

That's absurd. Elephants rock back and forth to the rhythm of their heartbeat when in cages. Have you ever been on TV? It's nerve wracking. I'm amazed at the 'psychological profiles' people are randomly sketching based on nothing.

She looked as if she were standing, and swaying...like the old hippies used to on acid  :lol:

I think she was standing throught the interview and on a boat. Only logical conclusion for the swaying. But I have to agree, she may have had to go pee,  :wink:

CORRECTION

no evidence. that you know of
no forensics. that you know of
no confession. that you know of

that was narcisisisiisstic of you bigcountry :evil:

Although I might get flamed for this.  Natalee was wearing a skirt and halter-top...not swimming attire if you ask me.  I also don't think she is the type of lady that would just take it all off and run into the ocean.

Nice post.. a point I was trying to make also

OR MAYBE they are trying to hear what's being said into their headset!

I agree. I also think she looked like she was fairly heavily tranquilized.

This is in the Theory and Speculation thread, check it out.


By Dutchlady.


I believe that the situation was that the father was out, and did not see the dogs bark and the gate open and the car come to take Joran back to the nightclub as his mother states she is the disciplinarian. I have reason to think all three took Natalee back to his flat, and there was no lighthouse, beach, or other public location due to the cognitive reasoning shown by his behaviourisms which his mother puts into a very graphic constructive picture of her 'boy' and his traits. He does not rough it.

A profusely sweating husband who is used to hearing deviant behaviour charges and has knowledge of criminology and behaviours as one would expect of a judge in training is showing on camera extreme unease. The veins stand out on his forehead, he evades the cameras lens, and takes the opportunity to escape to the phone. On coming back the sweat running down his face is gone, he is composed again. He is not in his wifes emotional circle as he was responsible for his son, when his son went out to take this girl. a persons daughter, in the middle of the night. His whole attitude from the start has been wrong in what he should have done listening the remarks from Natalees husband and his statements. Now that the island sees this the emotional card come in. It is too little to late.

Joran and his friends I believe would take the easiest route as do not like to get themselves dirty on public beaches, there is no evidence they do this. I suggest that the rage pattern is abandonment rage, and remember his mother was away in Holland. If Joran took someone home to his flat and no one was there, the dogs, and cars would not be noticed. The excuse of the computer and call I put forward as to be is a red herrring, for he was there already I would say as the easiest thing that could be done at this time of the night. This is a lad that eats at fast food outlets, not gourmet restaurants and frequents casino's with someone elses money. Does he work???

Therefore in my research of predator disposal patterns I have found whether a living person is held hostage, or killed, it depends on the mind of the highest in the pack, and at present I do not have a fixed point of the main decision maker. That is why I feel more arrests have to come. This is way to specialised for a 17 year old in that their is no sign of the girl or her belongings since he took her with him, not the other way round. A more advanced mind and some planning results in hiding evidence and a person, as some dispose in the open, or run away, none of these did this. They blamed a lower socio ecomic workers as escaping so they thought justice. They lied, and lied and lied and implicated others which is an offence. Perverting the course of justice, lying in a police statement, using up public funded resources, etc, etc.

The father knows something that is clear from his biological actions shown on camera with his wife, what that is he has divulge to his wife, the police, and his superiors. He is at risk of a stroke if this pressure keeps up, and would worry more of his health than his deviant son and his friends. None of their family of those incarcerated is saying it is a nightmare, or coming forward and one must ask are they silenced in this for some reason??? I also think the Deepak email, at least one is in part genuine, but as the whole message heading is missing it could have been deleted by someone as the names are.

We must not let this be seen emotional blackmail as families as personality disorder specialists know are apt to be in denial because of its financial,social and communitiy implications. Every consulting room sees such denials. Natalee I would be looking for at that house and around the estate that is off limits to the public. Reasonable assumption in all missing persons cases as starting point. Remember Fred West. No one was missing till a rumour started. Remember Jamie Bulger. Remember Amber Swartz, Nicky Campbell, the latter are still causing a cloud over one person even though he is in an elevated position. 'Stalemate'. is very apt.

Well that must have been one small ass boat b/c I have been on numerous boats and I don't sway like that, except on my dad bass boat HEE...

Hahahahahhaha.

Yes siree. I know when mine are telling the truth and when they're trying to get away with something. You can't fool Mother..........

i have an idea

lets eliminate jvds, the kalpoes and the kids from mbhs, to me it just doen st make sense that either of these groups have anything else to do with the crime..

now who could be left in that area at that time..
1 the sbf sec guards
2 the workers renovating the allegro
3 actual sec guards who work for the HI
4  ?
see if you guys can come up with any others...
a criminal like this one is usually an opportuntist..

Rob, you think the 2 fbi leaving are the only fbi? They probably have more agents in Alabama than the entire Aruban police force, lol.

CancunMole I wasn't quoting you the last post in that was from someone else.

Professor, I agree with you.  What also is alraming is the rumored scruffle between Joran and MBH boys.  What would they be fighting over?  A MBH boy gets jelous Joran is talking to Natalee and brings his friends over for a confrontation would be the most likely scenerio.....

.....the mbh boy resorts to druging natalee hoping to get lucky with her on the final night since he has been unsuccesful the nights prior... hmmm

Im sure some of the boys from MBH who went on the trip have shadier backgrounds than Joran...

We need to remember that people from Alabama commit crimes too..

Did anyone else find it odd that Joran's mother said that one of the two serious girlfriends he's had was an American girl who broke it off with him because she thought Joran was 'too sweet' and needed a real man?

Perhaps Joran was scarred by this rejection, leaving him embittered and hostile toward any other American girls who weren't interested in his pursuits.

oh yeah i forgot you were there that time.... :wink:

I agree mothers tend to know when their kid is lying.  However, I'm guessing she really doesn't know if Joran is guilty or not.  It's only natural to support you child's words...to a certain point.  I'm guessing she's not at that point yet!  Inside she could be questioning this whole deal...but, due to emotions and being torn between trusting your kid and trying to be fair she's tortured now.

Any good mother IMO would react this way at this stage.

I have Top 95 on--has anyone been listening--I am sensing tons of bitterness on the callers--but I can't understand any of it

I heard Alabama, witch craft(?),  Jessica(?), Holloway-Aruba, Innocent until proven guilty-US....that is it??

Oh--they just said website forcum--- SCARED MONKEYS--what was that about---YEA!!!!!!! 8)

One of the most intelligent posts I've ever seen  :shock:

Rob, BUT, and I know this is a BIG BUT (not BUTT :lol: ), what if they have evidence and have been awaiting results from Holland, and what if they have a good idea of what happened. I keep thinking about all the peripheral witnesses there has to be as to Natalee, joran, daddy and the brothers kalpoe. There almost is always someone who saw something and comes in to tell LE. Some one who was on a street, or at a redlight. Remember that is how they got Susan Smith, it came to light an undercover cop was at the intersection where she claimed she was carjacked while at a redlight, only for LE to learn there was no redlight. I think they have more than we know. I really do.

I thought it was reported that most of the kids wore the suits under their clothes a lot while they were there...just in case.

finally got caught up ...

I think we should remember in all these televised interviews that americans are used to seeing tons of these sorts of reports on tv. This leads to an unconscious "script" as to how you are supposed to act on tv. The folks in Aruba are not watching Fox, etc everynight and are not as "schooled" in tv behavior. This leads to very different demeanors.

I remember, and am not sure of the source, hearing a report about how people in a televised crisis are more and more behaving in specific ways because that has become the "standard response" shown on tv and so they respond as expected from their years of watching similar events as media consumers.

not saying this very well - and will try to find a source for the above - but it's another one of those cultural difference things.

Also the VDS father reminds me a lot of the owner of a german company I worked for - he was a wonderful man but had never really mastered english and initially came off very odd until I learned he was mortified that his english was not great and that he couldn't follow discussions in english easily. All of which made me feel dreadful for thinking him odd since I spoke no german at all and my response was really the arrogant one for assuming he could follow all our english discussions.

Rumor has it the sudents wore swimsuits underneath.

Besides that, why not skinnydip after a few drinks on a beach in the dark of night?
(they were not directly in front off any hotel)

Who hasn't done that?

That they do, but the kids in my grade are god kids. THere's only been one actualy fight and that was last year...over something really stupid, but it was that pack mentality. Anyway...one in 3 years isn't so bad.
I know that they did not do anything to Natalee. 100%.

um, when you're hooking up with someone at night at the beach, "swimming attire" is not really all that important

I find it interesting that we have been told by that radio station about how so many Arubans are mad, but we don't see it on TV? Wouldn't TV be a better place to show how upset you are? I see Aruban questioning things yes, but also praying for Natalee on TV.

I haven't!
Seems skeavy.

Father arrested.

PAPA SLOOT ARRESTED!!!!!!

YEA BUT IT WASN'T ME, I JUST REPOSTED IT.

OMG, paul van der sloot arrested

Father PVdS being arrested, on FOX now........

OMG! PVS has been arrested!

Holy chit!  On FOX  PVDS arrested...now we're getting somewhere!

PAUL  Arested

At this point I can't even think that means much...but maybe this way they can get him to TALK.

can u give me that link plz, i cannot find it  :oops:

The picture of her with her friends, where she is on the end in the skirt and green/white top is what she was wearing.  I think I remember hearing that she was NOT wearing a swimsuit that evening.

Holy Moly............Paulus Van Der Sloot ARRESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed true! I have 2 boys, 21 and 23..Nope, never been able to fool me. I know right away when they are lieing. But if a situation like this happened with any of mine, I sure as hell would be sitting them down and hardly pressing them until they broke, if indeed they were involved, I'd know pretty quickly.

Question is...are these parents protecting their son? Do they know more?

Are they saying what he got arrested for?

How about this (scary) idea for #4...

4  EVERY other tourist and local that may have passed by.


And by "scary" I mean that you could have HUNDREDS of potential suspects and no clear leads...and any you might have had are long gone.

It's been confirmed by the prosecutors office.

Whoa, Nelly....

Definately not a good career move...he may not want to put it on his resume!

Wow I feel really sorry for the mother now. Her son and her husband. Even if they both did something bad, I still feel sorry for her.

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOP HAS BEEN ARRESTED.

It's about time.

I have a question do we have a timeline of the following hours all the way to the twittys showing up at VDS when JVDS was actually there at 3:30 am

This does have a point I swear. Please list what happened by time after 3am on the 30th- 3am 31st for PVDS, JVDS and the brothers. The best you know it. This will tell an interesting tail i believe not to mention a couple of kids and one parent who were up for a long long time.

It doesn't LOOK like she was...but I'm not sure I believe the swimming story anyway...why would they drop them off for a swim, if all he wanted was her? They make it out to sound like he was trying to be romantic, but that's obviously not his interest. He obviously doesn't care about her.

He knows something, he was WAY too quiet in the interview.

No word on that yet.

You're a classy gal.

Co-conspirator/aiding and abetting in the murder of NH?

So much for that nice interview yesterday with the VDS's

I feel sorry for the youger siblings.  

And for Nats also.


For adults this is hard, but kids it has to be even worse.

Sneaky suspicion....

That 90 minute talk between the VDS's and Natalee's mom, along with Greta .....something "slipped out", thus the arrest.

No facts here, just my personal "sneaky suspicion"

While at it, they should arrest Anita...I have a feeling she knows much, much more than she is saying at this time other than "my sonny is perfect"

I'm not so sure that either Joran or his Dad really did anything bad (to Natalee), don't they "arrest" people down there just to detain them for vigorous interrogation? This is all such a mess. I do feel so much sympathy for Mrs. VDS.

LOL...that's cause you're a youngin  :wink:

Nah. Mostly just paranoid.

Well don't the farm just yet, this story has more twist than soft baked pretzel.     I almost don't believe that Joran did what people are accused of doing.  Time will tell.

Let's hope that's not it.

Fox is pointing out that being brought in by Aruban authorities does not require probable cause but can be like we bring people in just for questioning.

I also wonder how much US media pressure is pressuring the Aruban authorities to take certain actions to look good to the US audience.

FYI: I had to write that from my prone passed-out position on my living room floor. Thank god for voice recognition software.  Incredible.

absolute, surely you know the answer to why he was arrested??

I ment to say"Even if", I agree we don't know just yet.

That's for sure. It's not their fault this happened.

Geez, at least I was right about him. I think Greta thinks he knows alot too since she commented several times on his demeanor, hand wringing, sweatting.

I think he knows what happened & helped Joran cover up in some fashion
\JMFO

Okay, I'm in and out here...work getting in they way...lol...but am I understanding correctly that papa VDS has been detained now as well??

They arrest people on 'strong suspicion' of something.

May be strong suspicion of holding back information, due to inconsistencies in his previous interrogation.

On Matt Lauer's interview with Anita VDS, he asked about the 90 meeting with BHT, and she said something along the lines of : ' we talked, we held each other, but I can't go into details'

Someone please update me if they hear anything..stuck at work

I bet the Father helped the son get rid of Natalee's body. I thought it was funny when he said "I hope Joran can remain strong and make it through the interragations."
The Dad did something, he's involved.
I sure hope they can find Natalee.

Fox says Aruba only arrests when there is strong suspicion.

Greta knew which way the wind is blowing.

The Kalpoe brothers dropped off Joran at beach. Joran told them he walked home. I bet his Dad came and was party to what happened to Natalee!

Its good to be a little paranoid.

i used to hang out with a guy who used to say...
we wont know until we know,  and even then we might not know....

I have predicted as has many, he was involved somehow. Especially after hearing Natalee's Dad last night.

Caught Ms. VDS i'view and the subtext is telling" I STILL have my son....." as if a change in that atatus was a possibility. Heroic denial by AVDS. Her views re: they should never have released the boys that first time....: "should have interrogated deeply and thouroughly...." (paraphrase). She left room there for the worst to be true.

Paulus is dust. Accessory after the fact, or the Dutch equivelent.

Agreed.  But I think you and I agreed on this about 85 pages back.  lol.

Wish I could've observed Mrs vdS's demeanor myself this morning on the Today Show, but I missed it and can't run the video on my PC.

But I did go "hmmm ..." about one statement she made in the interview with Greta.

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VAN SUSTEREN: Any trouble from him at all? I mean, have you ever any trouble with him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. A little fight with a friend that got solved by talking to the parents.
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Assuming that throwing another boy through a plate glass window might be the so-called worst-case scenario of bad things Joran might have done in his teen life that didn't escape his parents' knowledge, then I have to believe that we do see quite extensive denial and minimalization of Joran's faults by his mom.

Wonder if she will have a Jackie Peterson moment such as "not even YOU are stupid enough to place your wife's body in the same place as your alibi, Scott" ...

MOM:  Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, whatsa matta you?  ::slapping upside the head of JAPvdS:: First you're at the Holiday Hotel dropping the American off .. then you're riding home with the Kalp's and leaving Natalee with them to drive her home ... then you're on the beach ... then you're at the Marriott ... then she's crying ... then she's drunk ... then you're leaving her there all by herself ... then you're walking home ...

Joran, not even YOU are stupid enough to keep making up stories about something you didn't do!

They must have got the whole conversation on audio tape.  Beth and Greta were both wearing wireless mic's it looked like.  

These kids know what happened, they wouldn't lie for no reason.  I can't believe some of you are changing your opinions of them.

Wo, Greta's on and she said that's her guess too!

Yes, lets hope... Get those bracelets Girl? I didn't buy many since you seemed to need alot...

'bout time they hauled in Papa...better (23 days)  late than never.

Ever look into being a spokesman for the government...that was good. :-)

I was only able to get 6...it takes 3 days for people's money to get into my checking account, and I'm running out of money very, very quickly. They've got a good bit left though, it looks like.

If true, GO BETH & GRETA!!! :clap:

Compananzi - just wanted to thank you for posting the words of Rastafari.

Respect and Jah bless!

See I have the same thing for he and Croes "obstruction of justice". But others have something different for Croes as a witness.

Twitty quoted him on Fox yesterday telling Joran not to "say anything" - I wonder if the cops were watching that. They must all know something that they are not telling. :roll:

It's been said that many of them wore their bathing suits under their clothes. So possibly she had her suit underneath.

Hard saying, not knowing..

Greta saying...

She did an on-camera interview with Mama Kelpoe, and she said that she's spoken to Satish and Deepak, and they said that they were doing Joran a favour by saying the 'dropped off at the HI' story.

They've told their mother that they dropped off JVDS and Natalee at the Marriott beach area and then went home - no mention of them going back to pick him up.

Yeah, Croes was supplying Deepak with rufies...

I love that one......I'll have to remember it!  :lol:

YES - turn in to CNN now....Papa Van Der Sloot has most certainly been arrested!!!!

IF sonny boy has any conscious at all he will talk to get papa out of jail...

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will...hehe) but weren't the cops THERE when Paulus was telling Joran to say nothing??

Divatoo--no problem at all..here it is
http://www.top95fm.aw/choose.htm

Kalpoes mother says the boys agreed to lie for joran. To make up the story........Perhaps this arrest is why Fox and MSNBC kept saying breaking news, they were waiting for confirmation. Like they did the other day when they found the little boy.

Mom should not have spoken to the press

skinny dipping is "unclassy"(my own word)-----come on down now off that horse

Jossy Mansur:  PVDS detained as a suspect not a witness
Authorities have been wanting to detain him for the past couple of days. He will go in front of the judge of instruction (soon?)  to be held for 8 more days.

does anyone know if papa vds has a tickle site, with party pictures?

Dad is now a SUSPECT in participation of the crime this from a reporter from the Aruban newspaper!

Could it be why he said ; Don`t say anything' that it`s just b/c it`s the right thing to do, since he is a laywer himself makes perfectly sense to me to say something like that.



By the way I wonder when they arrest the uncles and grandparents etc.
( being a little sarcastic now ) :wink:

It`s getting weirder and weirder.........

You're right, but maybe the beat cops didn't tell the lead investigator... :roll:

NO WAY.  Not a damn thing wrong with skippy dippin (as my kids call it), but not just anywhere at anytime, of course.  In fact, one of my favorite things to do!

PAPASloot could have incriminated himself during the "private" talk with GVS and BHT the other day and it may have been recorded via their wireless mics.......

There were rumors that he had a "scuffle" with some of her classmates earlier in the week/night.  One possible explanation is that they both wanted to avoid confrontation.

They obviously caught Paulus in a lie. Wonder if it was the McDonald's tape?

Nothing like getting the hammer from one of your very own collegues.  Idiot.  

Father told mama to keep her trap shut and that is why she is so nerve wrecked on that rocking boat from her interview this morning.

Wow, I'm so glad to see some progress being made again (Hopefully).

Did the search team arrive in Aruba yet??

Thankx!!

Look people...if this beach was a hundred miles from nowhere, I might buy it.  This was a public beach surrounded by some very large, very populated hotels.  From everything I've heard about Natalee, this is not something she would do, drunk or not.

Oh, please, oh, please, let Papa's arrest as a suspect be for taking Natalee ALIVE offshore and passing her to someone else.  Oh, please!

LMAO

Dutchlady (via Twelve Monkeys):
Agree.  Are there any large freezers on or near property, storage facility rented by PVDS?  Seem to recall there have been several "missing without a trace" victims that have been kept on ice (i.e. in freezer).

Also agree there is something very suspect about PVDS's behavior.  His arrest isn't the least bit surprising.  Many felt this imminent.

This is ridiculous. No wonder why no one wants to help out. They get arrested if they no anything.

wonder if he said something during his phone call interruption that was caught on mic?

I would guess that there is US pressure not only from media. But I have a feeling that even if they arrest whole families and administer "strong interrogations" to dozens of people, no matter how successful that may be with pleasing US mainstream viewers, I do not think that anything other than the return of Natalee will look good to her mother.

THE OLD FREEZERINO'S - YA GOTTA LOVE JEFFREY DAHMER FANS! :lol:

LO--RENZO ... take a number, please.  Pack your toothbrush!

i recall something about a new swimming pool.....

When was daddy Sloot arrested?  This afternoon?  Thanks. :shock: This is unbelievable.  Looks like the case is really moving forward.

That's what I'm hoping for also.

They saying that maybe Steve Croes and the 2 surnam brothers will be released, seems it is being focussed now on van der Sloot family.

Teo

nodding to Ting - only Natalee's return will make this all go away.

I just find the cultural and legal differences - and the reaction to those differences here - particularly interesting.

One the latest arrest, I found it interesting that Greta was very emphatic about the low level of suspicion needed to arrest. She is not acting as if she's buying the PVDS is the criminal mastermind attitude.

LMAO  :lol:  :lol:  8)

LOL. Soon the only people in Aruba not incarcerated will be Geraldo and Greta. :)  And Lorenzo.

Maybe they tapped their phone lines.  Phone kept ringing and ringing in the interview.

You think Lorenzo Van Rijn is in on this too? :roll:

too DAMM funny :lol:

Now THAT'S funny.

For those who have recently joined, or were not online Tuesday night, here is the theory I postulated on this case that elicited the disclosure of the alleged letter by Deepak.


Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: thoughts and theories    

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From all accounts, it seems JVDS hooked up regularly. It didn't take him maliciously slipping something into girls' drinks for them to willingly have sex with him. With the volume of international media exposure on this case, I have to believe, by now, that any American girl that JVDS drugged and raped would have come forward.

What is the likelihood, however, of a girl reporting a rape if she knowingly, voluntarily took a drug like ecstasy while in his company?

80% of the world's ecstasy comes from the Netherlands and Belgium. With daily flights from Amsterdam, the Aruban market is fully saturated with pure X, unlike what is sold in many cities in the US.

With NH's classmates on the trip remaining silent, and knowing that JVDS hung out at the HI for a good part of the week, and a large number of the kids pulled an all-nighter their last night in Aruba, it keeps open the possibility that a sizable number of kids were game to trying ecstasy.

Natalee, naive to the effects of both alcohol and ecstasy, at the encouragement of JVDS, may well have consciously decided to try X for the first time. Even if she wasn't drinking to excess, the potential for overdosing increased exponentially.

Piecing the story together, it seem most plausible that JVDS got the X from DK, who got it from SGC. NH overdosed on the beach w/ JVDS. His guilt, and feeling the need to cover it up, likely stems not from him giving her the drug, but because they likely had sex; leaving him the primary suspect. JVDS panicked, brought NH to his house. PVDS, knowing the law, believing it was an accident, and not wanting his son's life to be ruined, helped facilitate NH's disappearance.

Remaining questions:

WHAT did NH drink at C&C's?
HOW were NH and JVDS dancing?
WHAT did NH eat that day before going to C&C's?
Was NH at the bar when her drinks were ordered, or was she on the dance floor, or in the bathroom, and then handed the drinks by JVDS or another friend?
Did NH go to C&C's with JVDS, or did they meet up there?
When did DK, SK and SGC go to C&C's?
What was the shoving match between JVDS and NH's classmates about?

CNN showing interview with Kalpoe's mother

No problem at all--it gets confusing listening to it--but u can pick out words...unless u understand--then u can translate for me--LOL  :D

Question about the odd interrogation yesterday...it was said that when the 3 amigos were in the room JDVS was asked who picked him up at the Marriott and he first said Deepak...then Deepak says, "Why are you lying?" and then JDVS changes it to Satish picked him up.  Ummm...what happened after that??  What did Satish say?  In fact, what has Satish said about anything?  All we hear about are the stories coming from JVDS and Deepak.

Something about the father hindering the investigation....I realy wonder what route this story is going now..they will come back with more info in a couple of minutes.

If any one interested, go to www.arubadag.com and click Top 95 or other radiostations to see/listen if there are english transmissions.

Teo

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: WARNING...HITMEN AWAIT RELEASE OF SUSPECTS TO ACT  

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Arrived as press.

Awaiting for 'new' appointed judge's decision to release men on this friday.


HAVE you guys seen this?

OMG, I was just about to post with "LOL you two guys are so funny that's hilarious..."

Then I thought, good lord, are they serious?!

mbhs05 is completely right about the kids on this trip.  There have not been any reports of any kind of physical confrontations among classmates.  The "shoving match" must not have been much of anything.  No one I've talked to even heard about it while on the trip, but rather read it in the newspaper at home.  (Aside: The altercation has been referred to here as either having taken place on the 2nd night or the last night.  Which was it?)  It couldn't have amounted to much if *one guy* was able to break it up verbally.  There is no point in speculating what caused it; most "shoving matches" start because one guy bumps into another & the other takes offense.  But to take this event and then deduce it was a motive for premeditated murder?  Come on!  Besides, Natalee did not even have a boyfriend, on the trip or at home.

As for the drink theory -- they would be good questions in any other case.  However (and I believe I have addressed this when the same idea was posted previously), there are at least 3 eyewitnesses who attest to the fact that Natalee was conscious, coherent, walking unassisted beside Joran outside the club, possibly 20 minutes before she was seen by others getting willingly in the car.  Rufies would have worked immediately.  Had she been drugged in the bar, she couldn't have been awake and coherent 20+ minutes later.

As for the "Aruba!  Aruba!"...  I've been one of the ones posting that info from the beginning.  But recently Dash and I have realized that we can't trace the info to a specific person.  It was widely reported among the teens the next day, but I've yet to find anyone who said, "I was one of those who saw/heard this personally."  I don't know if that has any bearing either way, but it should be noted.  Same goes for the witnesses who saw her getting in the car.  There must have been someone who saw it because the boys corroborated the report themselves, but there could be a lot more to it -- either way -- than we know.  The FBI would know, but we don't.

The supposed MB silence has been addressed, explained -- and now justified -- ad nauseum.  

"Where are all these supposed leads coming from?"  I don't know; I don't even know if that was a loaded question or not.  Do we even have any leads?  As has been pointed out, all any of us really knows for sure is that Natalee is missing.

I understand the value of exploring every angle objectively, but it becomes counterproductive when the same people post almost the same questions again and again after they have been addressed.

That's IT...I need a TV at work.  What's she saying???

You know this person and can vouch for his character, then? If so, some of us have been paging you for days on end.  Details, Inspector?

Its in Spanish.  I was trying to read the previous posts and I noticed the pages go from 13 to 17 in 2 minutes and I knew something was going on.

Kalpoes mother says the boys told their mother that they just dropped off Joran and Natalee at the Marriot and did not see them again. Mother said the boys said Natalee did not even talk to them or say hi and that they just gave them a lift.  They said they were making up the story to help Joran.

Mariane Croes announcing that PVDS is arrested as a suspect because there is a reasonable suspicion that he knows something about the disappearance. They will now interrogate to see if they can learn something. The first 6 hours are interrogation.

all on CNN

LOL I would really like to ask her, though I doubt she would answer, if she would buy my theory of PVDS as a man living with untreated alcoholism.

If some good can come out of all this, maybe he can take this opportunity to get some help with this disease.

Some observations:
Now we know why Beth did not participate in the interview yesterday - she must have had a heads up.
2. Can Greta be implicated on an 'entrapment' charge?
3. I cannot describe how utterly sick to my stomach I feel for the VDS family - obviously Anita especially - regardless of guilt it is so tragic to see something like this happen to a fellow man - the Twitty / Holloways are in pain but they are not alone and when community sympathy is not on your side - I fear for Anita to hold it together.

Well my brother is being a real buttface right now about the computer. I loathe computer games. He thinks they are more important than anything else. But I'll be back on later.

My fiance and I have felt from the beginning that the son did it, and then father came along awards and either moved body or advised son how to get away with it. Father probably told it was an accident.
I feel awful for Mrs. Van Der Sloot.
I fell awful for NH family, but I hope they are feeling better seeing action and hopefully soon, answers.
Terrible!!!!!!

NOOOOO...but, why don't you just give us the URL from the page where it was posted?

Teo

Hit 94 is in English right now.

Since we're quoting Dutch Lady, I thought I'd share what she posted on the Psychics page (page 4) on the Theories and Speculation area:

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I have been getting the trellis of a window, this room is yellow, it is clean and there is nothing in this part of what is a 'room'. The slatted window has four large wooden battons down and three I think across like a security screen. These are vertical and horizontal. There is a smell of joss sticks or some perfume that is sickly. I have had this since 7th of this month. There are no trees shading this screen and it is about four foot off the floor, and a very long rectangular structure. I feel this is ozone in the air, and near water, a pool conservatory perhaps. This is not a home, it is a facility. Is it a school building. The building inside is almost canary yellow, and I am looking into the corner of it and the longest wall is this window.

There are as I write a tinkling of windchimes coming in. There is a search party nearby, a man called jose is in this party.

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I know she says it isn't a home, but doesn't that sound exactly like the inside of the Van Der Sloots' home? That's the first thing I thought of when I read this post this morning; now that Paulus has been arrested it's even weirder.

I'm sure there are a lot of places with yellow walls in the islands, but I think the whole mood she conveys here is consistent with the way the Van Der Sloots' home came off to me the times I've seen it on television, especially when we got to see the interior last night on Greta.

Greta was way too quite since her and NH mom went to VDS home. Now she is spilling beans. Too bad no Fox in Aruba.

From all the sweating Papa did while Greta interviewed Anita, I would think he would be fairly easy to break.  Let's hope so.

sorry, no-can-do!  :mrgreen:

perhaps Deepak told Croes the truth via email or im about what happened that night, and when Croes came in and lied it placed him in the middle of this, not including obstructing justice?

Paulus VDS looks like he would crack easier than Joran.  Just my opinion.

Ok, so go to www.arubadag.com and click Hit 94

I just felt Lorenzo might be next, IF the rumors are true, which I don't think they are.

But IF they were, that would be the next possible so-called *family member* to aid and abet, if he has homes and access and willingness to please his so-called *daddy.*

However, I don't believe it, so I was just funnin'.

If this indeed turns out to be the case, is it at all conceivable that she might still be "retreivable"? It just boggles the m ind to imagine that this could actually become multi-national.

Dear scott ,

Have you ever tried extacy

and i just thought it was hot... sheeezzz!

TEO it's a new thread posted on this site. I was just curious if anyone looked up the IP, it's a new user and first post.

Scott, this is what I believe could, and most likely happened to Natalie as well. Good sumation

The father is officialy detained, due to the investigation. They speculate it is because of the interferin in the investigation, but the official says, no he is detained because of possible involment in the dissapearance of Natalee Holloway

Let's hope paps Sloot CAN'T hold strond during the interrogations.

Wow!! This is going somewhere now..Maybe that's why Mom van der Sloot was acting a little different in her interview, this morning. The pressure had to be on..

What link is Hit 94?

The 4 will be held over so I guees the "hitman" will have to wait. I know they haven't been to court etc. Just common sense on this one.

I think he's more likely to be guilt-ridden for the effect this is having on his wife, than Joran felt for the impact this has had on his parents.

I can smell his weakness from here.  A good interrogator should be able to make quick work of him.

Is there any scenario where Dad did it, not Joran?  Mom knows son is innocent, becasue Dad is the doer?

http://www.arubadag.com/
Only music right now, but the D>J was speaking English a while ago.

I doubt they have "entrapment" in Aruba same as the US , the laws are soooo different.

The link, boss......the link.....the link



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Due to this new development the 2 surnam brothers will very like to be released.

They say that the father must be involved in the dissapearance of Natalee.
hmmm....

Teo

maybe this is why there has been no more mention of the visit to jorans house...

CNN is reporting that Aruban sources are saying that PVDS is being arrested because the Kalpoe's are saying they made up the "drop off at the HI" story and PVDS may have assisted JVDS in that story or supported that story.

So far, a lot seems to swirl around the "changing stories"

Also Ted Simon is on CNN - an attorney who has had US clients arrested in Aruba in the past and who knows the system. He is perhaps the most informative talking head I've heard so far. He is saying that the low standards of bringing people in is extremely different and his client was held for over 100 days in such a situation strictly for questioning. He's not making assumptions just very informative.

CNN on now....basically is saying that Papa Van Der Sloot is being held as an accessory after the fact - that Aruba is saying that he helped concoct sonny boy's fake cover up story - that he is in middle of an expected 6-hour interrogation into the whole thing...

see CNN on cable/satellite now to watch full details - is only news on tv here in houston tx...

I think we'll see that too.
Kalpoe boys parents say they were home by 2 a.m. which matches their initial stories.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=249

ABSOLUTE NONSENSE

It is interesting that Joran's mother is allowed to visit WITH police presence....the Kalpoe brothers mother is allowed to visit WITHOUT police presence.

Interesting.  Seems to me they are zeroing in on Joran...and Dad knows something he's not saying.

did nt the kalpoes finger mickey and the others?

A reminder for all of the readers, if you go to www.arubadag.com you can get all the arubian radios and listnen to them live online.

You must have Realplayer to listen though.

Top 95, Hit 94, Revolucion etc. etc.

Teo

READ SUBJECT....


they are saying, some people arrived pretending to be press.

They are waiting for new judge to release suspects, so they can hurt them.

that's what its saying!

Not cool, even for a joke!!

Ok but the prosecution spokeswoman is saying PVDS is being held in relation to the DISAPPEARANCE of Natalee...........

I could agree with this and it wouldn't take a trip to the judge for it to happen. didn't the guards get out in the middle of the night on a Thursday into friday, what is it about the weekend down there?

Also these new theorys actually make the Depak emails more likely to be true. It was the rehearsed and already written down cover?

He was sweatin bullets, I noticed that too!  :lol:

See I told you that the cops were watching the Fox reports!

WHO ARE THEY ?

I vote on the alcoholic theory.

Mickey John said that Joran text messaged Deepak to come and pick him up. (that's what Deepak told him) I wish we (monkeys)  had the cell phone records

Wonder if the brothers story hs checked out from the beginning? Perhaps LE was able to confirm their timeline, ie what time they arrived home etc, or if they were seen by a peripheral witness? Perhaps this is why the attention was placed on joran and his father?

NOW we know why mama van der sloot was rocking- bye bye papa van der sloot

Do the VDS have access to or their own boat?

Right, but maybe they DIDN'T and could prove that!

PVDS will be interrogated for 6 hrs. If he admit his involvement he has to say where Natalee is, dead or alive. It seems to go in a very bad direction. If he doesn't admit his involvement he might be freed or his arrest prolonged. This case took long, but the end is near. Everybody is tired of this case. Finally it seems that is reaching the end. The detainess have to talk now and tell the truth.

Questions: Is Natalee dead, alive, on the island or somewhere else?

Hopefully this is reaching the end and my wishes are Natalee is alive.


Blessings

Bye