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Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:35:07 PM
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Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 12:37:17 PM
Thanx for such a great job you admins are doing with the forums. We all appreciate your efforts.


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 12:41:36 PM
So there does have to be a progression in reason for detainment?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Thanx for such a great job you admins are doing with the forums. We all appreciate your efforts.
GuyWdog


It's getting better...and we hope to have new stuff on the way.  also, I saw a question abou the Monkey Junkey tags:  we're working with Ranking where you get a new tag for a specified minimum # of posts.  :) some folks who have 500 or more posts already have them....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 12:41:46 PM
Thank you admin for all your hard work. It is much appreciated.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 12:45:53 PM
Last night, there was a discussion about dark the beach was during the Greta walk through. I haven't seen it, don't have Fox here.

I'm posting a link to the actual weather conditions for 5/29:

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/TNCA/2005/5/29/DailyHistory.html

At the very bottom it says that the moon was 59% illuminated.

One thought. When you are filming with lights, the area beyond seems much darker. Also, ones eyes adjust. There may have been enough moonlight and starlight reflected off the water for it to be reasonably bright.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: grits on June 26, 2005, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
If aimed at twitty, the grabbing the twins would make more sense.


I thought that too...but a pretty girl might bring more pressure to bear....and all the lawsuits involved insurance scams as well and Jug is involved in insurance...

Like I said...just a thought..it would explain the FBI being involved so quickly...and if Van Der Sloot was on the take and was pressured into helping in the kidnapping he would definitely not talk knowing what could be done to his wife and other children...

also could explain some of the lack of information leaks to press and the comments from officials or press about the case being in a completely different direction from what it first appeared


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: "cast"
Thank you admin for all your hard work. It is much appreciated.


yes indeed!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:49:41 PM
At the very bottom it says that the moon was 59% illuminated.

I lived in the Caribbean for 3 1/2 years and am a PADI scuba instructor.  We did night dives all the time (my favorite) as long as your eyes are adjusted to the lack of light, you can see dimly within about 25 ft most nights.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 12:50:11 PM
Yes coco that bothers me also, b/c why would she mention it? She must have a reason to do that why would they look into the passengers of that plain and there wereabouts anyway?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arubagirl on June 26, 2005, 12:50:12 PM
Am leaving because it's picture time

Bye.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 12:51:20 PM
Geraldo live on FOX:

"We are getting fragmentary information that some of the suspects may be released. .... This report is absolutely unconfirmed.  "


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
HUH? Anyone else listening to FOX.. did Geraldo just say the hearing is recessed for the day??????


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo live on FOX:

"We are getting fragmentary information that some of the suspects may be released. .... This report is absolutely unconfirmed.  "


unconfirmed - Geraldo's middle name...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
HUH? Anyone else listening to FOX.. did Geraldo just say the hearing is recessed for the day??????


I think he meant to say it's recessed temporarily, but I may be wrong....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 12:53:08 PM
Geraldo scares me...he doesn't know what end is up!  It's really worrisome when he refers to info that's unconfirmed!!!  Yikes.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 12:53:10 PM
Maybe they release paulus b/c it`s not established that he was one of the persons who saw natalee last.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kshe78 on June 26, 2005, 12:53:25 PM
kshe, the problem is that she is not obligated to testify whatever her son or husband told her. So there is no reason to pick her up


arubagirl - Thanks, I always forget that about Dutch law.  There might still be some light she could shed - along the lines of what someone else posted earlier.  

Did Joran do his own laundry on a regular basis, and if not, did he do it before you came back?  (Which would be unusual)

Who knows - just looking for something to help out, but thanks!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 12:54:06 PM
as usual Whoraldo and his musn't touch, was incorrect. He just retracted his " fragmented release" thing to say there is some kind of recess and dad, joran and the others seem to be going back from whince they came.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
HUH? Anyone else listening to FOX.. did Geraldo just say the hearing is recessed for the day??????


I think he meant to say it's recessed temporarily, but I may be wrong....


Thanks RB,,, I wasnt sure what I heard.. I wish I could wheel my tv in this computer room.. my cable dont reach that far.. and the tv is hard to hear well from here..Wahhh..lol


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:55:08 PM
Thanks RB,,, I wasnt sure what I heard.. I wish I could wheel my tv in this computer room.. my cable dont reach that far.. and the tv is hard to hear well from here..Wahhh..lol

You need to be like me...wireless and on the deck :)  I'm only listening to what he's saying...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 12:55:52 PM
If I'm correct, the 116 day number adds up this way:

 2 days (48 hours)
 8 days
 8 days
 8 days
30 days
30 days
30 days
116 TOTAL


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Thanks RB,,, I wasnt sure what I heard.. I wish I could wheel my tv in this computer room.. my cable dont reach that far.. and the tv is hard to hear well from here..Wahhh..lol

You need to be like me...wireless and on the deck :)  I'm only listening to what he's saying...


LOL   :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 12:57:46 PM
ON RBN26:

spab wrote:
absolut wrote:
Steve got an email in the middle of the night from one of the brothers.



... must have been one helluva an email to wind up in jail over..  


What could it possibly have said?


S- be careful - J used roofie on tourist - something bad happened.  J's Dad says to stick together - DON'T talk to anyone! Call me right away - D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 12:58:09 PM
think you`re right cavaliere on that one


I was thinking If they recess for the day, maybe the judge has a jetlag
flying ALL the way from curacao to aruba....... :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 12:58:13 PM
This is classic "Geraldo-speak"....

I hope Arubans know to lock their safes...you never know with this guy!

Speaking of Geraldo...where has "Geraldosgirlfriend" been?  She's one of my faves...haven't seen her in awhile.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: gagirl on June 26, 2005, 12:59:01 PM
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
think you`re right cavaliere on that one


I was thinking If they recess for the day, maybe the judge has a jetlag
flying ALL the way from curacao to aruba....... :lol:


surely they recess for lunch?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 12:59:45 PM
Quote
where has "Geraldosgirlfriend" been? She's one of my faves...haven't seen her in awhile.


maybe she has been detained to put pressure on Geraldo to get out of Aruba.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 12:59:57 PM
I hope Arubans know to lock their safes...you never know with this guy!

There's precedent for that re: Al Capone :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 26, 2005, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
If I'm correct, the 116 day number adds up this way:

 2 days (48 hours)
 8 days
 8 days
 8 days
30 days
30 days
30 days
116 TOTAL
I have no idea...just know that you are correct with the 2 days and the 3 8 days...I thought the next was 60 days...

You would think with a case as mysterious as this one, that they would change that up a bit ....but, I guess if they find out that the suspect had nothing to do with the case, they can petition the court for their release before the 60 days is up...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


The one in his cell hehe j/k


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 01:03:23 PM
interesting article gagirl


was just kidding mojo on the jetlag... :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 26, 2005, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


The one in his cell hehe j/k
LOL...I was thinking the same thing..GET OUT OF MY HEAD!   :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"

In Aruban law, is DNA enough? I wouldn't think so. I know many have said on TV "no body, no charges" But there also has been a report that in the Netherlands a case was tried without a body. Perhaps Arubans have not made that scary leap of trying someone for murder based on circumstantial evidence.


Yes we have a case like that. Altough I had to dig into the internet ;-)
Several years ago a 30 year old lady disappeared and her husband denied everything. No body was found but he was charged for murder. He had a false alibi. The police found blood in her husbands car, he sabotized the cell phone one day before she disappeared, he tried to escape to Thailand with a false passport with 50.000 dollar of cash money...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: "waitingtoknow"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


The one in his cell hehe j/k
LOL...I was thinking the same thing..GET OUT OF MY HEAD!   :lol:

 :lol: well it is either that bench or the one outside the courtroom lol. I guess cnn didnt get the memo from geraldo that he didnt get the job as a judge after all  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:05:51 PM
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:05:51 PM
*delurking and waiting for news*

Hello everyone :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:07:30 PM
Has all this attention on Aruba led anyone to think of traveling to the Caribbean? I am now seriously thinking of a trip to the French Caribbean (Martinique, St-Barthélemy or Guadeloupe).


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.


I thought I read somewhere its because he failed the test?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.


Greta asked dad if he was in fact a judge and he said yes.  So yeah they are liars.


Title: The Devil is in the Details....
Post by: Compananzi on June 26, 2005, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.

Natalee left CnC at 1.30 am, it takes 10-15 min to reach Marriott beach areas...that gives Joran about an hour to stroll with Nat, chat, argue, and and or maybe have fun, and either left her for death or walked her back towards the board walk.

In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived.

That would be 3.40 now, which is about right for a 40 min walk.  Now the thing is ... is it all true? That would leave no time to Panic, getting Paulus involved, calling SGC, and picking up the body and disposing of it...need more info...because that leaves about 2 hours to start school at Aruba Internation School.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 01:10:29 PM
Hoi edwin,

Are you refering to that  from that Angelique an Paul case? With the boutiques?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 01:10:29 PM
ok, guys, i know i should not do hellos and goodbyes here..so to all moderators, my apologies..but i did not want to be rude to my fellow monkey friends and just log off..like anyone cares, right?  :)

Anyway, my 2 year old is presently naked and clothes might be a good idea..dishes are 2 days old, and i might need a shower..sometime...lol..

I hope the news gets a little more interesting..I personally hate weekends because there is no Greta..and Whorealdo is just not worth listening to IMHO...although i must say, it is entertaining to hear him screw everything up!!

Hope to see some great pics from Arubagirl later...

Hope to see Equuesearch turn up something...though, i do hope its not what we all fear....

Have a great afternoon, and I'll see all my monkeys later.....GREAT pic of the monkey on Greta site by the way...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: redquartz on June 26, 2005, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


I just read this on Fox.com: In an anecdote that illustrated the insular world of Aruba, Justice Minister Croes said Paul van der Sloot had recently visited him in his office after failing to become a judge, apparently seeking a position in Croes' department. Van der Sloot had also taught the justice minister's daughter.
So I'm assuming he didn't 'pass the bar' as in the US


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.


He technically was a judge. He had been able to sit in on cases but not give decisions and had just completed a 1 year internship in the NL in March 2005. This was pretty clearly explained from one of the translated Dutch newspaper sources a day or so ago (It's getting to be a blur).


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 01:11:38 PM
Dan's reporting;
12:50 Update: Fox reporting Joran and Deepak detention extended.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Chicago_510 on June 26, 2005, 01:12:37 PM
Since these kids are such big fans og G-Unit and 50 Cent, I think we need to send 50 down there to interrogate these guys.  He would probably scare the crap out of those kids.  Anybody have 50's phone number?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.


I thought I read somewhere its because he failed the test?


Last night the Justice Minister mentioned something about a letter from the Netherlands, so I thought there may have been another reason.  Maybe the letter was just confirming that he had failed the test.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 01:13:15 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DAG on June 26, 2005, 01:13:19 PM
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?


I heard it stated that he failed the test (like I know exactly what that means).  I guess they take some kind of competency test on their knowledge and he didn' know enough!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.



I could really get nasty with "what bench" now daddy VDS is in jail, but after all it is Sunday!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kkial on June 26, 2005, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.

]
Behind his house,,,,he must have failed his test!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:13:38 PM
according to riehl

Aruba Breaking

12:50 Update: Fox reporting Joran and Deepak detention extended. Geraldo claimed to have fragmentary reports some of those detained may be released - then he seemed confused suggesting his report meant 'released" from the court house to be returned to jail. As posted yesterday, I've heard unconfirmed rumbings from sources on the island that one, or possibly two of those detained will be released today.

Fox News is reporting that the hearing in Aruba is now over. Hopefully a statement as to the outcome will be coming soon. I'll update this post as appropriate.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:13:39 PM
Croes will be released tomorrow!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LostinTime on June 26, 2005, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Has all this attention on Aruba led anyone to think of traveling to the Caribbean? I am now seriously thinking of a trip to the French Caribbean (Martinique, St-Barthélemy or Guadeloupe).


There has been reported of a woman missing of a cruise ship in the Caribbean, however I believe it's close to Mexico.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 01:13:48 PM
croes to be released tommmorow


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:13:50 PM
Croes will be released


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
FOX News: SC to be released tomorrow ~ 1 pm


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:14:07 PM
Steven Croes is being released tomorrowat 1 pm


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DAG on June 26, 2005, 01:14:12 PM
Just out on Fox.  Steve Croes will be released tomorrow at 1:00 pm according to his lawyer.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: "redquartz"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


From that site:
"Paul Van Der Sloot, who is relatively new to the bench, was arrested Thursday, while the other four have been in custody longer."

Wonder what bench they're talking about.


I just read this on Fox.com: In an anecdote that illustrated the insular world of Aruba, Justice Minister Croes said Paul van der Sloot had recently visited him in his office after failing to become a judge, apparently seeking a position in Croes' department. Van der Sloot had also taught the justice minister's daughter.
So I'm assuming he didn't 'pass the bar' as in the US


He had previously worked for the JD, so this doesn't sound unusual. According to Arubagirl, Rudy Croes isn't even a lawyer. PVDS is.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 01:14:18 PM
FOX NEWS Alert:  Steve Croes to be released tomorrow at 1:00 according to his lawyer.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:14:30 PM
Croes to be released tommorow @ 1pm  FOX


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: AZsunny on June 26, 2005, 01:14:40 PM
Lawyer of Croes says he is to be released tomorrow.  fox


Title: 50 cent's ph#
Post by: dl3fan on June 26, 2005, 01:14:54 PM
I think 50's phone # is 1-800-IMA-THUG


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"

In Aruban law, is DNA enough? I wouldn't think so. I know many have said on TV "no body, no charges" But there also has been a report that in the Netherlands a case was tried without a body. Perhaps Arubans have not made that scary leap of trying someone for murder based on circumstantial evidence.


Yes we have a case like that. Altough I had to dig into the internet ;-)
Several years ago a 37 year old lady disappeared and her husband denied everything. No body was found but he was charged for murder. He had a false alibi. The police found blood in her husbands car, he sabotized the cell phone one day before she disappeared, he tried to escape to Thailand with a false passport with 50.000 dollar of cash money...


thanks Edwin, I thought I had read something like that, and that was the case.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:15:06 PM
Wonder why tomorrow?  Maybe they have intense interrogations that are going on today...hmmmmmmm.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 01:15:25 PM
One of the reasons I get addicted to breaking news stories is the chance to watch the process of the MSM - with all the discussion and debate here, we know much more than the media who are reporting and can see when they mess up the facts, etc. Helps to keep me mindful on the stories where I know nothing ....

And La Cavaliere - I am so missing the Carib right now - spend time in a small village in Jamaica and have been so "homesick" for it - all the views of the beach, etc really get to me. If you haven't been to one of the islands, go ... and go somewhere where you can stay outside of the All Inclusives so you really get the flavour - amazing! (and if anyone needs Jamaica tips, I'm happy to point them to the discussion groups with the best real JA info -just PM)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Hoi edwin,

Are you refering to that  from that Angelique an Paul case? With the boutiques?


Yes, that one:
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/textcolumnpeter060.htm
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/textcolumnpeter027.htm


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: AZsunny on June 26, 2005, 01:15:36 PM
Well, we covered that didn't we!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 26, 2005, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: "Chicago_510"
Since these kids are such big fans og G-Unit and 50 Cent, I think we need to send 50 down there to interrogate these guys.  He would probably scare the crap out of those kids.  Anybody have 50's phone number?
I would give you that number, but we aren't allowed to post personal phone numbers on here.....ha ha :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Wonder why tomorrow?  Maybe they have intense interrogations that are going on today...hmmmmmmm.


I wonder if they'll put them all together again and see what falls out...


Title: Re: The Devil is in the Details....
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.

Natalee left CnC at 1.30 am, it takes 10-15 min to reach Marriott beach areas...that gives Joran about an hour to stroll with Nat, chat, argue, and and or maybe have fun, and either left her for death or walked her back towards the board walk.

In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived.

That would be 3.40 now, which is about right for a 40 min walk.  Now the thing is ... is it all true? That would leave no time to Panic, getting Paulus involved, calling SGC, and picking up the body and disposing of it...need more info...because that leaves about 2 hours to start school at Aruba Internation School.


This might be what Joran told Deepak - it might not be what actually happened.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:16:34 PM
I hope Depak and Satish are released too.  My "gut" tells me they are innocent.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: "AZsunny"
Well, we covered that didn't we!!


LOL   We sure did!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Croes will be released tomorrow!


I won the fastest fingers contest! What's my prize?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:17:25 PM
My guess is that SC is not involved any further than perhaps selling drugs and/or receiving an email, or being party to a conversation with one or more of the detainees.  On that assumption, there was enough reasonable suspicion to detain him and interrogate him, but not to hold him much longer if they keep getting the same answers from him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Wonder why tomorrow?  Maybe they have intense interrogations that are going on today...hmmmmmmm.


Remember when they announced a release dates for the S/G then they were released late night?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 01:18:46 PM
I wonder if steve is going to be able to tell anything about the case when he is released?


Title: Steve Croes
Post by: dl3fan on June 26, 2005, 01:18:47 PM
Guess with Steve's pending release we can assume he did not drive the Tattoo on night in question to dispose of a body or to take Natalee somewhere.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Croes will be released tomorrow!


I won the fastest fingers contest! What's my prize?


LOL  well if you were on who wants to be a millionaire.. youd be in the hot seat.. HA HA HA   But will a (((((HUG))) ) do?   :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:19:04 PM
That's true, golden.  I'd forgotten about that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:19:08 PM
If it were for selling drugs, I doubt they'd let him out....can you imagine Aruba dealing with that PR nightmare?

Getagrip...Razzy got banned...wah..I miss her.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:19:15 PM
So does this rule out the theory that Steve Croes dumped her body in the ocean?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Red on June 26, 2005, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Wonder why tomorrow?  Maybe they have intense interrogations that are going on today...hmmmmmmm.


Maybe someone cut a deal? Or spilled the beans?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 01:19:31 PM
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
So does this rule out the theory that Steve Croes dumped her body in the ocean?


Pretty strong evidence against it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DAG on June 26, 2005, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Croes will be released tomorrow!


I won the fastest fingers contest! What's my prize?


Not fair, not fair.  You used less words!!!  (hahahahaha) :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


I agree!

By the way, are you from the Dallas area???


Title: Re: The Devil is in the Details....
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.

Natalee left CnC at 1.30 am, it takes 10-15 min to reach Marriott beach areas...that gives Joran about an hour to stroll with Nat, chat, argue, and and or maybe have fun, and either left her for death or walked her back towards the board walk.

In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived.

That would be 3.40 now, which is about right for a 40 min walk.  Now the thing is ... is it all true? That would leave no time to Panic, getting Paulus involved, calling SGC, and picking up the body and disposing of it...need more info...because that leaves about 2 hours to start school at Aruba Internation School.


This might be what Joran told Deepak - it might not be what actually happened.


right, because we all know he has told several lies, ah made several adjustments to his story


Title: Re: Steve Croes
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: "dl3fan"
Guess with Steve's pending release we can assume he did not drive the Tattoo on night in question to dispose of a body or to take Natalee somewhere.


So she's still on the island?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Croes will be released tomorrow!


I won the fastest fingers contest! What's my prize?


LOL  well if you were on who wants to be a millionaire.. youd be in the hot seat.. HA HA HA   But will a (((((HUG))) ) do?   :)


OK, I'll take the hug!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
So does this rule out the theory that Steve Croes dumped her body in the ocean?


Pretty strong evidence against it.


yep, and i'd agree with nancy about the drugs - he may have been the unlucky recipient of an email!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Poss scenario: Call made to D: Walking home on reg route, can I get a ride, D says sure and goes back to sleep. J walks all the way home and sends a text message:Thanks a lot for the ride, asshole.


Title: Re: Steve Croes
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: "golden"
Quote from: "dl3fan"
Guess with Steve's pending release we can assume he did not drive the Tattoo on night in question to dispose of a body or to take Natalee somewhere.


So she's still on the island?

Well I assume that other people could do that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 01:22:12 PM
I wonder if some of these people that have made VERY desparging remarks about Steve Croes will come on the board and appologise publicly ???


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
If it were for selling drugs, I doubt they'd let him out....can you imagine Aruba dealing with that PR nightmare?

Yeah, but although selling drugs is illegal, it has little or anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. Assuming that he did sell some drug to one of the 3, he couldn't reasonably have known who/what they were going to use it on, or for.

In any case, if that's the reason, they'll try to gloss over that fact.

Quote
Getagrip...Razzy got banned...wah..I miss her.

I know :( I put in a good word for her.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Poss scenario: Call made to D: Walking home on reg route, can I get a ride, D says sure and goes back to sleep. J walks all the way home and sends a text message:Thanks a lot for the ride, asshole.


or dad tells him to text someone as cover?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:24:03 PM
Hmm FOX saying the only reason Croes was held because he got an email.. SO perhaps the email WW posted was legit?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


I agree!

By the way, are you from the Dallas area???



No Im not.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 01:24:28 PM
I guess an sms is traceble an a phonecall also, so they can`t lie about that I think and kids sms all the time so that doesn`t sound strange to me if he did that


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 01:25:07 PM
interesting ... Croes release .... so not drug dealer or they would have held him

and I thought the lawyer saying that they had investigated the cell phone and computers then giving a timeline for text messages was interesting - doubt lawyer would do that if it was just idle chatter?

by the way TazMan - the teens I know text about every second of their lives - it's like a running commentary  (hence ordering the unlimited text package from our cell provider) - it's like background music - they even text while chatting in person with someone else ... I'm always astonished at the speed of their thumbs and their multitasking capability - new stage of evolution!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: littletxlady on June 26, 2005, 01:25:09 PM
I have a legal question if anyone can answer it.....
When Steve Croes is released will he be under the equalivant of a "gag order" or will he be able to talk to the media as the security guards?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 01:25:13 PM
-Angiex911dsptchr---  EXACTLY Good point, I'll bet the boards will key in on this as a Major discussion all day long....


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmm FOX saying the only reason Croes was held because he got an email.. SO perhaps the email WW posted was legit?


Yes, and they said the email was from Deepak "who owns an internet cafe."  

I didn't know he owned it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I guess an sms is traceble an a phonecall also, so they can`t lie about that I think and kids sms all the time so that doesn`t sound strange to me if he did that


I agree Hannie.. I dont think it being unusual for a kid..even a male to text message a buddy.. my son does it also.. but who knows! I guess they do have cellphone records.. and they can read the text messages perhaps.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
I have a legal question if anyone can answer it.....
When Steve Croes is released will he be under the equalivant of a "gag order" or will he be able to talk to the media as the security guards?


we'll certainly know soon enough.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 26, 2005, 01:27:05 PM
Yes, the text messaging thing it now it.  I don't get it and it to me is way too much trouble, but both my twenty something kids can type war and peace in thirty seconds.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Poss scenario: Call made to D: Walking home on reg route, can I get a ride, D says sure and goes back to sleep. J walks all the way home and sends a text message:Thanks a lot for the ride, asshole.


or dad tells him to text someone as cover?


I think that they said the text part as part of the fake alibi because they knew or thought the text couldnt be traced.  The key would be to see if there is a record of this text message.  Why not just call?  Why call then text?  Just scream bogus to me in alot of ways.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:28:21 PM
Hannie, Angie you're both right. SMS and text messaging are all retained by most carriers - and even if you delete an SMS message on your cell, it's retained in memory even if you (as the ownder of the phone) can't get to it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:28:22 PM
Is it possible that LE is going to systematically release everyone except the two VDS to add more pressure?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
-Angiex911dsptchr---  EXACTLY Good point, I'll bet the boards will key in on this as a Major discussion all day long....


GuyWdog



The Wonder Woman phantom faux email....Uhhhhhhhhh
Nevermind...


Title: email to Croes
Post by: Louise on June 26, 2005, 01:28:28 PM
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:28:29 PM
I leave to put a bday cake in the oven and come back to someone being released. Sheesh see I miss everything.
I wonder how many cameras will be outside waiting to see if he makes a statement?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I wonder if some of these people that have made VERY desparging remarks about Steve Croes will come on the board and appologise publicly ???


GuyWdog



Thats a GREAT idea!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmm FOX saying the only reason Croes was held because he got an email.. SO perhaps the email WW posted was legit?


Yes, and they said the email was from Deepak "who owns an internet

cafe."  

I didn't know he owned it.


Yes I heard the reporter say he owned it also??  Thats the first I heard that!! Maybe she messed up??


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: "DT"
I wonder if steve is going to be able to tell anything about the case when he is released?

Yes, I am wondering that, as well.  I am also wondering if he will be called as a "witness" to testify if this case goes to trial.  Anyone know how that would work under Dutch/Aruban law?


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL  of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:30:49 PM
Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.

Isn't it kind of like that here in the States?  Or have I been watching too much TV..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.

Isn't it kind of like that here in the States?  Or have I been watching too much TV..

You cant be compelled to testify against spouse in the states.


*edited for spelling blah


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 01:31:32 PM
So ... do cell phones in Aruba have location tracking?

am I remembering that that has been added here in the states or am I confused?

and do you think my client tomorrow till buy "gee the report is not complete but I went over 200 messages on SM?"


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.

Isn't it kind of like that here in the States?  Or have I been watching too much TV..


In the USA it's only a marital privilege.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Poss scenario: Call made to D: Walking home on reg route, can I get a ride, D says sure and goes back to sleep. J walks all the way home and sends a text message:Thanks a lot for the ride, asshole.


or dad tells him to text someone as cover?


I think that they said the text part as part of the fake alibi because they knew or thought the text couldnt be traced.  The key would be to see if there is a record of this text message.  Why not just call?  Why call then text?  Just scream bogus to me in alot of ways.


Gotta beleive this call and sms happened. These are verifiable facts.

Maybe he texted instead of calling the second time because of the lateness. Maybe D had his phone turned off. It could be sinister, or setting up an alibi, or completely innocent


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmm FOX saying the only reason Croes was held because he got an email.. SO perhaps the email WW posted was legit?


Yes, and they said the email was from Deepak "who owns an internet

cafe."  

I didn't know he owned it.


Yes I heard the reporter say he owned it also??  Thats the first I heard that!! Maybe she messed up??


wait a minute - he has a boss that was interviewed...how can he have a boss if he's the owner?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.

Isn't it kind of like that here in the States?  Or have I been watching too much TV..


 RB.. I think its like that in the states as well.. We learned about that in 911 training..
  I even couldnt obtain an attorney thay my hubby used before.. and for a whole other matter.. Conflict of interest!


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Just don't post that message here on SM!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DAG on June 26, 2005, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmm FOX saying the only reason Croes was held because he got an email.. SO perhaps the email WW posted was legit?


Yes, and they said the email was from Deepak "who owns an internet

cafe."  

I didn't know he owned it.


Yes I heard the reporter say he owned it also??  Thats the first I heard that!! Maybe she messed up??


wait a minute - he has a boss that was interviewed...how can he have a boss if he's the owner?


I saw that interview also, and if I remember correctly his boss is a women.  So that would make her the owner.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bigpoodle on June 26, 2005, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


I think the only American national that Mr. Croe or his family needs to be concerned about is that demented Jug Twitty.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 01:34:11 PM
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many innocnet victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.


GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:34:36 PM
One thing I'm confused about regarding the CNN report...

Yesterday, Geraldo reported that he was told that Joran called Deepak from his cell phone at (forget the exact time) 2:30 am for a lift, and that he texted him 45 minutes later to let him to tell him that he had already found a lift back home. I forget whether his source was Kock or Oomen (the other Kalpoe's lawyer).

Hmmm...I know it was Geraldo and he gets at least 50% of his reporting wrong...and I can't find anything about it on the FOX web site.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:34:54 PM
nancy and mom both said that it's only extended to spouse, so apparently that means sons and daughters, cousins and uncles can all testify here in the States.  I'm to infer that in the Dutch system no one from the family can testify against another, or are there constraints on that?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:35:08 PM
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 01:35:30 PM
I don`t  think there is a 'gag order' in the dutch law that prevents realeased people from talking to the press or something


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many innocnet victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.


GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?

I wonder if there are libel laws or slander laws in aruba?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: "katya"


Gotta beleive this call and sms happened. These are verifiable facts.

Maybe he texted instead of calling the second time because of the lateness. Maybe D had his phone turned off. It could be sinister, or setting up an alibi, or completely innocent


I dont know if anyone has verified that text messaging is traceable in aruba, but anyway, I dont question the text message as much as I question the idea of a guy letting a guy know he got home ok.  If it was a girl yea, but a guy?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 01:36:47 PM
Fox is reporting they are still in court.  Is that true, I think they will let the dad go also.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many innocnet victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.


GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?


Perhaps his boss is a reasonable person and will let him continue his work on the TATOO... JMO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: AZsunny on June 26, 2005, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Yes, the text messaging thing it now it.  I don't get it and it to me is way too much trouble, but both my twenty something kids can type war and peace in thirty seconds.


Yes!!  and with just their thumbs!! :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I think that they said the text part as part of the fake alibi because they knew or thought the text couldnt be traced.  The key would be to see if there is a record of this text message.  Why not just call?  Why call then text?  Just scream bogus to me in alot of ways.


I agree!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Orangecrush on June 26, 2005, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?


Poss scenario: Call made to D: Walking home on reg route, can I get a ride, D says sure and goes back to sleep. J walks all the way home and sends a text message:Thanks a lot for the ride, asshole.


or dad tells him to text someone as cover?


I think that they said the text part as part of the fake alibi because they knew or thought the text couldnt be traced.  The key would be to see if there is a record of this text message.  Why not just call?  Why call then text?  Just scream bogus to me in alot of ways.


Gotta beleive this call and sms happened. These are verifiable facts.

Maybe he texted instead of calling the second time because of the lateness. Maybe D had his phone turned off. It could be sinister, or setting up an alibi, or completely innocent


Pretty average behavior to text when you have a quick messages that doesn't require a discussion...like you've arrived home, forget the ride.  .  Asking for a ride, may require a discussion, hence the call.  Behavior seems perfectly normal and works with their alibi.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sobelle on June 26, 2005, 01:37:55 PM
In Dutch law, when a person is being held and interrogated and its before a trial begins  that you are not required by law to say a anything but when you go to trial you are required to answer questions?  Is this true?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


if they continue to hold them, we can...i can't see them letting the 3 go, though and i also suspect PVDS will be held for good measure unless this thing about his arrest being conducted properly holds any water.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many innocnet victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.


GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?


I feel a BOOK DEAL Arounf the Corner......
Seriously, I feel for those innocent,  but wrongly accussed.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 01:40:08 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
One thing I'm confused about regarding the CNN report...

Yesterday, Geraldo reported that he was told that Joran called Deepak from his cell phone at (forget the exact time) 2:30 am for a lift, and that he texted him 45 minutes later to let him to tell him that he had already found a lift back home. I forget whether his source was Kock or Oomen (the other Kalpoe's lawyer).

Hmmm...I know it was Geraldo and he gets at least 50% of his reporting wrong...and I can't find anything about it on the FOX web site.


I saw the same 2 discrepancies, everywhere from he got a lift, he walked home, and he never texted them at all.    Wonder which story is correct today.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 01:40:31 PM
They seem to be holding alot of innocent people that makes me think that the others could be innocent also.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:40:36 PM
I am thinking that Deepak's phone was off, so Joran left a voice message asking him to give him a ride home. Then, when he arrived home, he text messages to say forget it... I walked.

Otherwise, why wouldn't Deepak have picked him up?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


That's exactly what was reported on Fox...that the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to continue to detain Croes.  

This, in no way, suggests that there's no culpability by Croes; just insufficient evidence based on the increased burden of proof in the Aruban system to keep him locked up any longer.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 01:41:37 PM
Why not? If you don`t want the friend to wake up from a phonecall again it sounds good to me that you sms then. The phonecall I can imagen b/c he just saw him if deepak brought them to the beach, and then the walk home "I left her on the beach" are you still in the neighboorhood to pick me up? Deepak maybe says no I`m already at home. So joran walks home and then give him a text message that he arrived think nothing strange about consider the time!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: "bigpoodle"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


I think the only American national that Mr. Croe or his family needs to be concerned about is that demented Jug Twitty.


Jug took the time out to send a shout out to one of his idols (Neal Bortz) on Hannity & Colmes the other night. What an asp.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:42:16 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
One thing I'm confused about regarding the CNN report...

Yesterday, Geraldo reported that he was told that Joran called Deepak from his cell phone at (forget the exact time) 2:30 am for a lift, and that he texted him 45 minutes later to let him to tell him that he had already found a lift back home. I forget whether his source was Kock or Oomen (the other Kalpoe's lawyer).

Hmmm...I know it was Geraldo and he gets at least 50% of his reporting wrong...and I can't find anything about it on the FOX web site.


I saw the same 2 discrepancies, everywhere from he got a lift, he walked home, and he never texted them at all.    Wonder which story is correct today.

Glad I wasn't imagining things or hallucinating about last night's discussion. I don't know which account is correct - CNN is the one who first erroneously reported the 'confession' and ran it all night without confirmation.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 01:42:56 PM
Why do I have monkey junkie under my name?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Fox is reporting they are still in court.  Is that true, I think they will let the dad go also.


You better stop listening to those voices. :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
I am thinking that Deepak's phone was off, so Joran left a voice message asking him to give him a ride home. Then, when he arrived home, he text messages to say forget it... I walked.

Otherwise, why wouldn't Deepak have picked him up?


Maybe Deepak was tired of being Jorans Taxi? Or sleeping? What time did Nadira Ramirez say she checked the doors and they were locked, so she knew her boys were home?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 01:43:18 PM
I wonder if some of the resentment about the american pressure will encourage his boss to let him keep his job or if he'd be seen as a liability on a tourist boat (or an asset?)

plus most folks in the world won't have followed this as obsessively as us

still, the things said about him have been awful and so totally unfounded since there's never been any info on him ...

The others I think will be held just to keep Jug et al happy no matter what the evidence.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


That's exactly what was reported on Fox...that the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to continue to detain Croes.  

This, in no way, suggests that there's no culpability by Croes; just insufficient evidence based on the increased burden of proof in the Aruban system to keep him locked up any longer.

Right, his release doesn't mean he absolutely was not involved.  I am not saying I think he was involved; heck, I don't know what I believe at this point.  I'm just saying I agree with what Scott just posted, that this in no way exonerates Croes. :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 01:43:47 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Fox is reporting they are still in court.  Is that true, I think they will let the dad go also.


You better stop listening to those voices. :wink:


I know!!! :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Why do I have monkey junkie under my name?


I read that after you make 500 posts that happens! lol


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
nancy and mom both said that it's only extended to spouse, so apparently that means sons and daughters, cousins and uncles can all testify here in the States.  I'm to infer that in the Dutch system no one from the family can testify against another, or are there constraints on that?


I originally posted what I had researched, that it extends to parent/child.  However, there was another post from someone who said it extends beyond marital and parent/child.  It looked like they posted the exact law...however, Aruban law is a little different than Dutch law.

You are protected from what you hear as a parent or child,  BUT you are not protected from what you may have seen.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Red on June 26, 2005, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many Innocent victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.


GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?


You never know what VDS or the brothers may have said in jail implicating Croes. After all they lied about the original 2 security guards implicating them.

I hardly doubt that Aruban authorities were reading SM comments and arrested them. We are good not that good. I do understand your point though.

From what I have further heard there was a greater burden of proof to keep him. I think it will be interesting if he talks to the media or not after he is released.

It also is kind of different that he is just not released now. Unless this is common in Aruba, or maybe because this was a special Sunday court hearing and normal paperwork needs to be done during a work week.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


That's exactly what was reported on Fox...that the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to continue to detain Croes.  

This, in no way, suggests that there's no culpability by Croes; just insufficient evidence based on the increased burden of proof in the Aruban system to keep him locked up any longer.


Scott, is there an increased burden of proof with each hearing?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Why not? If you don`t want the friend to wake up from a phonecall again it sounds good to me that you sms then. The phonecall I can imagen b/c he just saw him if deepak brought them to the beach, and then the walk home "I left her on the beach" are you still in the neighboorhood to pick me up? Deepak maybe says no I`m already at home. So joran walks home and then give him a text message that he arrived think nothing strange about consider the time!

I dont find it odd either. When I worked at a bar in VA the kids who hostessed text messaged each other in the same building. Also, say Deepak used AIM or MSN or something like that. You can be online and get text messages from friends on their cell phones. I message my friend all the time when hes at work via Yahoo.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: "bigpoodle"
Quote from: "Ting"


I think the only American national that Mr. Croe or his family needs to be concerned about is that demented Jug Twitty.


Jug needs to just look after his wife.  That cowboy act does not play everywhere or with everybody.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: "bigpoodle"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


I think the only American national that Mr. Croe or his family needs to be concerned about is that demented Jug Twitty.


Jug took the time out to send a shout out to one of his idols (Neal Bortz) on Hannity & Colmes the other night. What an asp.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "gagirl"
David Kock made some interesting comments on CNN's site about timeline info

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


Thanks for the link.

Those records, Kock said, show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared. In that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. About 40 minutes later, Kock said -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived[/i]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html



That particular quote is very suspicious, almost like a planned alibi.  How many guys call or text their friends to let them know they got home?



But this makes more sense to me for I kept wondering if he called Deepak to come get him for a ride home then 40 mins later text messages him nevermind, that would mean Deepak ignored J's first request for a ride home.  If Deepak was still home 40 minutes later or had not arrived to give Joren a lift, did it mean he refused or was taking so long to get there?  Never did understand this part of timeline.  But it is very odd that he would text message only to say he got home.  

Something a bit off on that but cannot put my finger on it.  :?:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:48:31 PM
From Hasibokos, via Rhiel World View (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/):
"Natalee Holloway: Additional Information

Hasibokus is a Dutch blog co-operating with RWV in the reporting around the Natalee Holloway disappearance. In this post, they have translated a Dutch news report, adding some additional information for those interested in learning more as regards certain facets of the case. This article in english is worth the read.

    De Telegraaf reports that the authorities have done some investigating and this has lead them to believe that PvdS gave instructions to the 3 boys and told them what version of the story they have to give to the authorities and what they shouldn’t tell. This has also been reported by the respected Dutch news program, NOVA, on Saturday. "


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 01:48:39 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


That's exactly what was reported on Fox...that the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to continue to detain Croes.  

This, in no way, suggests that there's no culpability by Croes; just insufficient evidence based on the increased burden of proof in the Aruban system to keep him locked up any longer.


Scott, is there an increased burden of proof with each hearing?


I'm not sure of the technical threshold required in Aruban law, but it was made clear that there was a greater burden of proof required upon the prosecution to continue to detain Steve Croes, than upon PVDS, due to the length of detention he had already served.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "mojo"
according to CNN International - yeah, we get different news from you all

Croes is being released for lack of evidence... :shock:


Well, on a positive note we can infer they *do* have evidence against the others?


That's exactly what was reported on Fox...that the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to continue to detain Croes.  

This, in no way, suggests that there's no culpability by Croes; just insufficient evidence based on the increased burden of proof in the Aruban system to keep him locked up any longer.


Scott, is there an increased burden of proof with each hearing?


I'm sure the hard drives revealed evidence of communications long before SM or anyone else speculated about him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:49:19 PM
That's why I think Joran's first call to Deepak went to voice mail. If Deepak had said "No, I can't pick you up now," I doubt Joran would have text messaged him 40 minutes later.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 01:51:16 PM
Fox News reporting on a monkey attack, fellow scared monkeys....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News reporting on a monkey attack, fellow scared monkeys....


I just heard that too..lol   YIKES!!  :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
From Hasibokos, via Rhiel World View (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/):
"Natalee Holloway: Additional Information

Hasibokus is a Dutch blog co-operating with RWV in the reporting around the Natalee Holloway disappearance. In this post, they have translated a Dutch news report, adding some additional information for those interested in learning more as regards certain facets of the case. This article in english is worth the read.

    De Telegraaf reports that the authorities have done some investigating and this has lead them to believe that PvdS gave instructions to the 3 boys and told them what version of the story they have to give to the authorities and what they shouldn’t tell. This has also been reported by the respected Dutch news program, NOVA, on Saturday. "


Just finished reading this too. Talk about valuable information!!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 01:52:56 PM
From Hasibokos.com

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Quote
Joran van der Sloot (JvdS)

Hasibokos.com published an interview conducted with a friend of JvdS last week. After we had contact with Dan Riehl, he told us that he believes he had interviewed the same friend before. Joran’s friend had mostly positive things to say about JvdS, but considereing the fact it’s only one source, we are in doubt now about the Joran’s temperament. This is because according to the article in De Telegraaf, Joran has been seing a psychiatrist for some time now because he is short-tempered. This does not match the previous statement of Joran’s friend who said that she never saw JvdS loose his composure on the tennis court. About Jorans reaction when he would loose a tennis match,  she said that Joran would be very disappointed as anyone would be, but he would never burst out and start screaming or show violent behaviour. According to Joran’s friend at those times Joran would just pull himself back a spend time by himself and reflect. Maybe Joran would never loose his temper in public and that why his friend never noted his short temperament. Or maybe he was just doing what his psychiatrist advised him to do in those situations.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 01:53:33 PM
There's some interesting reporting on Hasibokos today:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Dutch sources - I believe they would be impartial, and probably closer to the truth than any other MSM.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: carolinagirl on June 26, 2005, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
That's why I think Joran's first call to Deepak went to voice mail. If Deepak had said "No, I can't pick you up now," I doubt Joran would have text messaged him 40 minutes later.


Or Joran could've called for a ride & may have been told, "We're already in bed and home for the night.  Just send me a text message to let me know you made it home okay."


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 01:54:30 PM
According to Joran’s friend at those times Joran would just pull himself back a spend time by himself and reflect

Might explain the comment by Mrs VDS regarding "yoga" during her interview with Greta.


Title: Steve's release
Post by: dl3fan on June 26, 2005, 01:55:23 PM
Maybe they just said Steve will be released tomorrow at 1:00 but he'll really be released in the wee hours of the morning when hopefully, for his sake, not all of the MSM will be at the jail waiting to pounce on him like a bunch of hyenas!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
There's some interesting reporting on Hasibokos today:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Dutch sources - I believe they would be impartial, and probably closer to the truth than any other MSM.


I agree! Insightful and chilling.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 01:55:58 PM
More from Hasibokos' translation of De Telegraaf article:

Paul van der Sloot (PvdS)
According to the article , PvdS has been living 17 years in Aruba and the last tree years he has been a substitute judge-in-training at the justice department. The department was not impressed with PvdS’ performance trough the years and had already decided internally that he would not be able to continue to function as a judge-in-training. PvdS wasn’t allowed to the conduct court (hearings) anymore and the department has been seeking other internal assignments for him until they found a fitting position for him in the department. De Telegraaf reports that the authorities have done some investigating and this has lead them to believe  that PvdS gave instructions to the 3 boys and told them what version of the story they have to give to the authorities and what they shouldn’t tell. This has also been reported by the respected Dutch news program, NOVA, on Satruday. You can view NOVA's report here (in Dutch)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 26, 2005, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Fox News reporting on a monkey attack, fellow scared monkeys....
uh oh...wonder what Arubagirl did at that court house!!!   :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 01:56:22 PM
Cast - I saw that too ... I get the impression that Jug loves Fox News and is emulating some of their "personalities" in his approach to the media. Guess I can't blame him given the horror he's dealing with but I sure don't like him.

I was looking yesterday for info on a study I had seen - can't find it anywhere - but someone did a study which talked about how they are now seeing witnesses and victim's of awful things (crime, fire, etc) respond in ways that pattern the tv coverage of these events - the sensationalizing of coverage of crime, etc has created an american cultural model of how we are supposed to act and people in that stress go on a kind of  autopilot to that model. It's one of the things that's interesting about BTH since we have not seen her do any of the "standard"  missing child mother speeches or such - (note to all - I am not criticizing her for this!) One of the things that makes her such good TV and therefore gets her so much coverage is that she is outside that model I think - which is a good thing for her search.

I think Jug sees himself as sorta the "star" of the coverage and is "playing" OReilly, et al ... again, not the standard model and certainly less likeable to some of us.


Title: Re: Steve's release
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: "dl3fan"
Maybe they just said Steve will be released tomorrow at 1:00 but he'll really be released in the wee hours of the morning when hopefully, for his sake, not all of the MSM will be at the jail waiting to pounce on him like a bunch of hyenas!


Unless the authorities have restricted his travel until further notice, I would lean to believe he'll be joining his mother back to Curacao on the first available flight.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "HannieC"
Why not? If you don`t want the friend to wake up from a phonecall again it sounds good to me that you sms then. The phonecall I can imagen b/c he just saw him if deepak brought them to the beach, and then the walk home "I left her on the beach" are you still in the neighboorhood to pick me up? Deepak maybe says no I`m already at home. So joran walks home and then give him a text message that he arrived think nothing strange about consider the time!

I dont find it odd either. When I worked at a bar in VA the kids who hostessed text messaged each other in the same building. Also, say Deepak used AIM or MSN or something like that. You can be online and get text messages from friends on their cell phones. I message my friend all the time when hes at work via Yahoo.


Text messaging is popular here with young people, but my daughter spent last year studying in London AND she said that's all they do in Europe.  It's the most popular mode of communicating.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
There's some interesting reporting on Hasibokos today:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Dutch sources - I believe they would be impartial, and probably closer to the truth than any other MSM.



Thay's Explosive!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 02:00:01 PM
thanks Getagrip -  the original story which was subsequently pulled by AP but iquitos has a link to where it was published in aruba (somewhere) is close to what the authorities seem to believe according to Hasibokos translation -

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
There's some interesting reporting on Hasibokos today:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Dutch sources - I believe they would be impartial, and probably closer to the truth than any other MSM.


Thats a great article that puts the blame on the original 3 suspects.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: "coco"
 
I was looking yesterday for info on a study I had seen - can't find it anywhere - but someone did a study which talked about how they are now seeing witnesses and victim's of awful things (crime, fire, etc) respond in ways that pattern the tv coverage of these events - the sensationalizing of coverage of crime, etc has created an american cultural model of how we are supposed to act and people in that stress go on a kind of  autopilot to that model. It's one of the things that's interesting about BTH since we have not seen her do any of the "standard"  missing child mother speeches or such - (note to all - I am not criticizing her for this!) One of the things that makes her such good TV and therefore gets her so much coverage is that she is outside that model I think - which is a good thing for her search.


Perhaps that is because Beth knows that her her daughter is not "missing".


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:01:47 PM
Quote from: "coco"
loves Fox News and is emulating some of their "personalities" in his approach.


Isn't Fox the most popular of the three cable news stations? It is interesting that Fox is not seen in Aruba. Do they get CNN? At one time, there were some countries who were getting Fox but not CNN. Pakistan, for one, and I forget the others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:03:30 PM
Per Fox..  reporting that Steve Croes has to be released tomorrow because thats when his 8 day incriment is up at 2 pm..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "coco"
loves Fox News and is emulating some of their "personalities" in his approach.


Isn't Fox the most popular of the three cable news stations? It is interesting that Fox is not seen in Aruba. Do they get CNN? At one time, there were some countries who were getting Fox but not CNN. Pakistan, for one, and I forget the others.

Ting, I live in Canada and we just recently got FOX News Channel (thankfully!), but have had CNN for quite a long time.

CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX. EDITED to add: FOX is the most watched in the US, but may not hold views that are 'popular' (sotoaspeak, as Mike would say) internationally, imo.


Title: Re: Steve's release
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: "dl3fan"
Maybe they just said Steve will be released tomorrow at 1:00 but he'll really be released in the wee hours of the morning when hopefully, for his sake, not all of the MSM will be at the jail waiting to pounce on him like a bunch of hyenas!

The important thing  is My  Baby    is coming Home :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 02:05:10 PM
<<It also is kind of different that he is just not released now.>>


Maybe they don't want him telling his story until tomorrow for some good strategic reason.  

I'm really grasping for signs that Aruban LE has a real plan.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.


Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 02:06:03 PM
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Article in De Telegraaf (Sunday) In a recent full-page article in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in The Netherlands), they dedicated attention to the Natelee Holloway’s disappearance and the suspected involvement of the Dutch judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot and his son Joran. The article covered mostly all the events since the disappearance of Natalee but there were also a few statements that were not (broadly/publicly) reported before.

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.


Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?

I prefer Fox some people dont. Actually I dont wanna open a political debate here lol. So Ill leave it at that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.


Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?

Yep...edited my post above :)

EDITED to add: FOX is the most watched in the US, but may not hold views that are 'popular' (sotoaspeak, as Mike would say) internationally, imo.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "coco"
loves Fox News and is emulating some of their "personalities" in his approach.


Isn't Fox the most popular of the three cable news stations? It is interesting that Fox is not seen in Aruba. Do they get CNN? At one time, there were some countries who were getting Fox but not CNN. Pakistan, for one, and I forget the others.


Fox is so USA-centric, I don't know how interesting it would be to people outside the US. In Mexico, it is available on the SKY sat system, along with CNN Intl, DW, TVE and a couple of others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: carolinagirl on June 26, 2005, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
thanks Getagrip - and according to what Hasibokos the original story which was subsequently pulled by AP but iquitos has a link to where it was published in aruba (somewhere) is close to what the authorities seem to believe according to Hasibokos translation -

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.


If this is true, then Joran's original "cover" story at school could've been about a girl (NH) drowning.  If he knew the body was dumped at sea, then he would expect it to surface at some point.  Hence, making up the drowning story to cover his butt.  After he started talking at school the next day, PVDS came to pick him up,  and this could be the point at which Joran was "coached. "   The other storied surfaced, and the drowning story was never mentioned again.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 02:07:45 PM
I prefer Fox. My Dad calls CNN "Communist News Network".  Ummm, not to start a political discourse either, that's another thread. But just sayin'....   :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.

Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?

I would not say that.  It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:08:56 PM
Paul van der Sloot (PvdS)

According to the article , PvdS has been living 17 years in Aruba and the last three years he has been a substitute judge-in-training at the justice department. The department was not impressed with PvdS’ performance through the years and had already decided internally that he would not be able to continue to function as a judge-in-training. PvdS wasn’t allowed to the conduct court (hearings) anymore and the department has been seeking other internal assignments for him until they found a fitting position for him in the department. De Telegraaf reports that the authorities have done some investigating and this has lead them to believe  that PvdS gave instructions to the 3 boys and told them what version of the story they have to give to the authorities and what they shouldn’t tell. This has also been reported by the respected Dutch news program, NOVA, on Saturday.


Perhaps someone in the Netherlands can answer this...

Does PVDS have a guaranteed lifetime contract?

What does it take for the Dutch government to terminate his employment?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 02:09:20 PM
Could anyone clarify the dating of the Haisi... link - it says on the page and in the url that it's a blog entry fromm 6/11/05?

and SandraK - care to say more re My Baby is coming home?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: "carolinagirl"
Quote from: "mojo"
thanks Getagrip - and according to what Hasibokos the original story which was subsequently pulled by AP but iquitos has a link to where it was published in aruba (somewhere) is close to what the authorities seem to believe according to Hasibokos translation -

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.


If this is true, then Joran's original "cover" story at school could've been about a girl (NH) drowning.  If he knew the body was dumped at sea, then he would expect it to surface at some point.  Hence, making up the drowning story to cover his butt.  After he started talking at school the next day, PVDS came to pick him up,  and this could be the point at which Joran was "coached. "   The other storied surfaced, and the drowning story was never mentioned again.


it would also explain his good friends' Satish and Deepak "covering" for him...they were there  :(


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: "carolinagirl"
Quote from: "mojo"
thanks Getagrip - and according to what Hasibokos the original story which was subsequently pulled by AP but iquitos has a link to where it was published in aruba (somewhere) is close to what the authorities seem to believe according to Hasibokos translation -

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.


If this is true, then Joran's original "cover" story at school could've been about a girl (NH) drowning.  If he knew the body was dumped at sea, then he would expect it to surface at some point.  Hence, making up the drowning story to cover his butt.  After he started talking at school the next day, PVDS came to pick him up,  and this could be the point at which Joran was "coached. "   The other storied surfaced, and the drowning story was never mentioned again.

Thats very plausible. Ok so if he was planning to say she drowned. If they threw here simply there near the lighthouse, would the current there pull her body out by itself?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:10:17 PM
I would not say that. It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view

I watch Fox because of Shep Smith and Rick Leventhal.  What's that make me? :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DAG on June 26, 2005, 02:10:29 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "coco"
 
I was looking yesterday for info on a study I had seen - can't find it anywhere - but someone did a study which talked about how they are now seeing witnesses and victim's of awful things (crime, fire, etc) respond in ways that pattern the tv coverage of these events - the sensationalizing of coverage of crime, etc has created an american cultural model of how we are supposed to act and people in that stress go on a kind of  autopilot to that model. It's one of the things that's interesting about BTH since we have not seen her do any of the "standard"  missing child mother speeches or such - (note to all - I am not criticizing her for this!) One of the things that makes her such good TV and therefore gets her so much coverage is that she is outside that model I think - which is a good thing for her search.


Perhaps that is because Beth knows that her her daughter is not "missing".


It was noted yeterday on this board that Beth has been on local Aruba TV doing the "standard" missing child mother speeches.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: "carolinagirl"
If this is true, then Joran's original "cover" story at school could've been about a girl (NH) drowning.  If he knew the body was dumped at sea, then he would expect it to surface at some point.  Hence, making up the drowning story to cover his butt.  After he started talking at school the next day, PVDS came to pick him up,  and this could be the point at which Joran was "coached. "   The other storied surfaced, and the drowning story was never mentioned again.


I think its safe to say anything that Joran (pronounced URINE) says is one big lie, especially concerning Natalie.  So we at least know she didnt drown.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: "katya"

Fox is so USA-centric, I don't know how interesting it would be to people outside the US.


I assume that because it is the most popular, it is interesting because it gives a more representative view of the culture.

Sorry, this should probably be in the media forum. :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.

Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?

I would not say that.  It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view.


Of the cable news networks (Fox News, CNN, CNN Headline News, MSNBC, CNBC), Fox's ratings are generally equal to or greater than the other four channels combined.


Title: Re: Steve's release
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "dl3fan"
Maybe they just said Steve will be released tomorrow at 1:00 but he'll really be released in the wee hours of the morning when hopefully, for his sake, not all of the MSM will be at the jail waiting to pounce on him like a bunch of hyenas!

The important thing  is My  Baby    is coming Home :D


You know Steve?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:12:59 PM
Sorry, this should probably be in the media forum.

It's ok, Ting. Since some of posters don't have Fox, we've been ok with Fox discussion here - they're covering the news more extensively than anybody else.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
I prefer Fox. My Dad calls CNN "Communist News Network".  Ummm, not to start a political discourse either, that's another thread. But just sayin'....   :lol:


And Fox is known as Faux News.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 02:13:52 PM
We have no confirmed reports that Joran said anything at school beyond his mother saying that he was talking about the case and the headmaster talked to her to have him cut it out- Paulus then spoke to him


I'm sure he was talking about it and that everyone else was too but there's no report that he either bragged about having sex with her or that she drowned from a confirmable source.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "katya"

Fox is so USA-centric, I don't know how interesting it would be to people outside the US.


I assume that because it is the most popular, it is interesting because it gives a more representative view of the culture.

Sorry, this should probably be in the media forum. :)


It mostly just covers stories not interesting to non americans. For example, I haven't seen a single mention of this story in the Mexican media, there is probably stuff in some of the papers, especially tabloid syle ones like Alarma, but nothing at all on TV.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
I prefer Fox. My Dad calls CNN "Communist News Network".  Ummm, not to start a political discourse either, that's another thread. But just sayin'....   :lol:


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL  of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.


I do not know where you get this information, but that is absolutely not true.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LostinTime on June 26, 2005, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Could anyone clarify the dating of the Haisi... link - it says on the page and in the url that it's a blog entry fromm 6/11/05?

and SandraK - care to say more re My Baby is coming home?


Please


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 02:15:50 PM
I do not believe that Joran ever said Natalee drowned. He surely would have contacted police if this happened, or summoned someone for help.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:15:51 PM
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: "RB"

It's ok, Ting. Since some of posters don't have Fox, we've been ok with Fox discussion here - they're covering the news more extensively than anybody else.


They have definitely reported more on the Natalee story than the others, especially in the past week.

The last few days, though, even Fox seems to be devoting less time to it. I would say maybe because there have been fewer developments, but that has not stopped them in the past! ;)

edit to change more to less, distracted by shark attack report on Fox!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: newshound on June 26, 2005, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: "coco"
Perhaps that is because Beth knows that her her daughter is not "missing".


Interesting.

But why, then, would Natalee's family request the assistance of Texas Equusearch?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kshe78 on June 26, 2005, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "HannieC"
I guess an sms is traceble an a phonecall also, so they can`t lie about that I think and kids sms all the time so that doesn`t sound strange to me if he did that


I agree Hannie.. I dont think it being unusual for a kid..even a male to text message a buddy.. my son does it also.. but who knows! I guess they do have cellphone records.. and they can read the text messages perhaps.


I agree that text messaging is just what kids do - heck, I'm 26 and I do it all of the time.  But, I do think it would be unusual for Joran to email Depak at 3:00?, 3:30? a.m. just to tell him that he was at home.  The only way that would make sense is if it was how another poster mentioned - "thought you were coming to pick me up?  Don't bother - i'm at home," type of scenario.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
PvdS was appointed until 1 Jan 2006 as i recall...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I would not say that. It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view
I watch Fox because of Shep Smith and Rick Leventhal.  What's that make me? :)

I try not to label people.  It is just my humble opinion that the news on FOX tends to be presented from a more conservative perspective.  In no way am I trying to start a political debate...just stating my opinion, to which we are all entitled.

Personally, I only watch FOX for Greta and to see conservative perspective of the news so I have a better understanding of how "the other side" thinks.  I'll freely admit I am liberal, so I view the station, in general terms, as a conservatively-skewed station.  THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.  I prefer CNN because IT IS MY OPINION that they present news from a less politically biased perspective.  BUT I WENT OFF TOPIC HERE....sorry.   :oops:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:17:53 PM
EdwinW, can you clarify what you know about the testimony from family members?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "coco"
Could anyone clarify the dating of the Haisi... link - it says on the page and in the url that it's a blog entry fromm 6/11/05?

and SandraK - care to say more re My Baby is coming home?


Please


the link is:

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: "newshound"
Quote from: "coco"
Perhaps that is because Beth knows that her her daughter is not "missing".


Interesting.

But why, then, would Natalee's family request the assistance of Texas Equusearch?

I think that BHT is holding onto hope her daughter is alive. Anyone whose ever dealt with a missing child situation would be the first to tell you it is very difficult to believe anything else. I think they  brought in the search team to find her whether it be alive or passed on. The TX group is searching the water and ground. I dont think they expect by searching the water they are going to find her alive and swimming in the sea. JMO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
I prefer Fox. My Dad calls CNN "Communist News Network".  Ummm, not to start a political discourse either, that's another thread. But just sayin'....   :lol:


And Fox is known as Faux News.


I would say, they all have their upside and their downside, it just depends on how you feel about any given issue and how they present it.   That is one of the reasons that I hate "labels".   I don't think you can paint all Americans with the same broad brush, nor do I believe in painting any group of individuals with the same brush, no matter where they live.


{edit:  My Avatar.. it looked as though many of us were going for the "monkey" type.. so I picked my favorite singing group of the late 60, early 70's}


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:19:16 PM
puggy, no harm done.  I was just saying that I watch because of those 2, that's all.  You're right IMO that it does lean toward the right, and always has.


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL  of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.


I do not know where you get this information, but that is absolutely not true.


Can you clarify the law?  It's been reported and written about as an extended privilege.  Can you give us the exact law used on Aruba?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:20:02 PM
Joran van der Sloot (JvdS)

Joran’s friend had mostly positive things to say about JvdS, but considereing the fact it’s only one source, we are in doubt now about the Joran’s temperament. This is because according to the article in De Telegraaf, Joran has been seing a psychiatrist for some time now because he is short-tempered. This does not match the previous statement of Joran’s friend who said that she never saw JvdS loose his composure on the tennis court. About Jorans reaction when he would loose a tennis match,  she said that Joran would be very disappointed as anyone would be, but he would never burst out and start screaming or show violent behaviour. According to Joran’s friend at those times Joran would just pull himself back a spend time by himself and reflect. Maybe Joran would never loose his temper in public and that why his friend never noted his short temperament. Or maybe he was just doing what his psychiatrist advised him to do in those situations.

Kind of like the disturbed, loose screw, Ron Artest, who, in a bizarre-like manner, went and laid down on the scorer's table as a fight he was involved in erupted.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 02:21:23 PM
Does anyone remember where the post is from yesterday about the family privilege?  Someone from the Netherlands or Aruba posted the law. I'm going to try and find it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: carolinagirl on June 26, 2005, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: "coco"
We have no confirmed reports that Joran said anything at school beyond his mother saying that he was talking about the case and the headmaster talked to her to have him cut it out- Paulus then spoke to him


I'm sure he was talking about it and that everyone else was too but there's no report that he either bragged about having sex with her or that she drowned from a confirmable source.


I know the school talk is rumor and conjecture, but there have been some rumors that have turned out to be true.  If it is true, then it would fit w./ the theory on hasibokos.  Also, he was obviously saying something about NH b/c it  prompted the headmaster and his parents to get involved.  Normally, headmasters/principals only get involved in more serious issues w/. the parents.  The trivial/day-to-day things are usually left up to the teachers to handle.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ScubaSteve on June 26, 2005, 02:22:02 PM
iiii


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:22:44 PM
Didn't Mrs. Anita refer to that in her interview with Greta? When she was asked about the anger management thing, she said she "sent him there" if I remember correctly, and I can't remember the rest of her exact words but my impression was that the father was away, working, etc. a lot, and she had her hands full.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


I found this by doing a google search of "steve croes" and "sandra"

http://www.bloggie.nl/archives/sandra_k_bekend.html


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Does anyone remember where the post is from yesterday about the family privilege?  Someone from the Netherlands or Aruba posted the law. I'm going to try and find it.

I think it was from yesterday afternoon or morning bc I saw it too and thats when I saw on. Hope it helps. Happy searching  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!

I Best keep  Quiet.
  He is a   Great guy .I always believed in him.
..Nuff said :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: luna on June 26, 2005, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I would not say that. It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view

I watch Fox because of Shep Smith and Rick Leventhal.  What's that make me? :)


Weird??  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
CNN is more international, and available in more countries than FOX.

Thanks, Getagrip. What I meant was, isn't Fox the most popular with Americans?

I would not say that.  It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view.


Of the cable news networks (Fox News, CNN, CNN Headline News, MSNBC, CNBC), Fox's ratings are generally equal to or greater than the other four channels combined.

I wouldn't know because I don't track media ratings.  I am just going by my own humble "news junky" American status.  From the people I know and interact with regularly where I live in Northern VA, outside the seat of the federal gov't, FOX and MSNBC are viewed as more sensationalistic and at opposite ends of the political spectrum, although each carries a show or two more appealing to the opposite end of the spectrum - for example, conservative Scarborough & Tucker on MSNBC.  CNN tends to offer more international news stories, just in my opinion.  Again, we are straying OFF TOPIC.  But I would not say that Fox is more popular than MSNBC and CNN.  I wouldn't mind a link to the media rankings where you found that info.  Not to start anything, just curious.   :) Feel free to PM me.  I respect your posts and your point of view.  :)


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 02:24:06 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL  of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.


I do not know where you get this information, but that is absolutely not true.


Can you clarify the law?  It's been reported and written about as an extended privilege.  Can you give us the exact law used on Aruba?


The attorney from aruba explained it as you can testify what you saw regarding a crime involving a family member, but you cant testify about anything they told you.   Something to that affect.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "coco"
Could anyone clarify the dating of the Haisi... link - it says on the page and in the url that it's a blog entry fromm 6/11/05?

and SandraK - care to say more re My Baby is coming home?


Please


the link is:

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005


http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

The stories on this page appear to be from yesterdays De Telegraaf.

http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2005/6/25/TE/TE_2S_20050625_5/pagina.php


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 02:25:00 PM
If that is correct what you write, then it is different from the Dutch law.
(there are some differences between the law of Aruba and The Netherlands). I'll try to find an article on that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "RB"
I would not say that. It is my personal opinion that Fox is favored by AMericans who tend to have more conservative/Republican political view
I watch Fox because of Shep Smith and Rick Leventhal.  What's that make me? :)

I try not to label people.  It is just my humble opinion that the news on FOX tends to be presented from a more conservative perspective.  In no way am I trying to start a political debate...just stating my opinion, to which we are all entitled.

Personally, I only watch FOX for Greta and to see conservative perspective of the news so I have a better understanding of how "the other side" thinks.  I'll freely admit I am liberal, so I view the station, in general terms, as a conservatively-skewed station.  THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.  I prefer CNN because IT IS MY OPINION that they present news from a less politically biased perspective.  BUT I WENT OFF TOPIC HERE....sorry.   :oops:


I am a news junky and I totally agree with you.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
CarolinaGirl - agreed that some rumors are true - just being careful that I remember what's reported at what level of "fact" basis -esp as we see Steve Croes released - look what's been said about him as "rumor"

Haisibo... link - sorry I was not clear - I was simply asking about the date of that report - it looks like it was posted on 6/11/05 and so might reflect solely the "stories" of what happened circulating at that time (lighthouse reference) rather than be the latest thinking of the investigators.

and I am carefully avoiding the Fox News discussions but NancyDrew knows how I feel ... she and I are going into Fox Rehab when this is over!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: carolinagirl on June 26, 2005, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: "newshound"
Quote from: "coco"
Perhaps that is because Beth knows that her her daughter is not "missing".


Interesting.

But why, then, would Natalee's family request the assistance of Texas Equusearch?


I think someone on Natalee's father's side of the family arranged the Equusearch.  Her father and step-mother were on FOX saying at this point, they're not sure N is alive.  Her mother, BHT, and stepfather, Jug, are holding out hope she was kidnapped and still alive.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


I found this by doing a google search of "steve croes" and "sandra"

http://www.bloggie.nl/archives/sandra_k_bekend.html


Thanks Scott.. I checked it out.. but of course cant read a word! I sent her a PM.. no reply as of yet.. and now since she used the "MY BABY" term and others asked about it.. shes disapearred!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 02:26:48 PM
The sandra in the other blog mentioned is the girl who`s accusing a soccerplayer here of raping her


Title: Re: email to Croes
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Louise"
Note to self;

If ever I commit a crime, I will email or text all my enemies a suspicious email sort of like "thanks for your help and keep your trap closed, you are involved now you know"


Or, if you ever commit a crime under Dutch law, make sure it's a family deal...cuz' ALL  of the family members are protected from tesitfying against the others.....amazing.


I do not know where you get this information, but that is absolutely not true.


Can you clarify the law?  It's been reported and written about as an extended privilege.  Can you give us the exact law used on Aruba?


The attorney from aruba explained it as you can testify what you saw regarding a crime involving a family member, but you cant testify about anything they told you.   Something to that affect.

Yes I took it to mean that say Joran went home and said Dad I need to confide something in you. That his father could not be made to testify in what Joran may have confided. However if he witnessed it with his own eyes he would have to. It was sorta confusing.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!

I Best keep  Quiet.
  He is a   Great guy .I always believed in him.
..Nuff said :D
 

 Ok.. thats respectable.. I guess you answered all of our questions with that answer!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


I found this by doing a google search of "steve croes" and "sandra"

http://www.bloggie.nl/archives/sandra_k_bekend.html

LMAO..trust me...That is NOT me..LOL..LOL


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: "cjm"
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "LostinTime"
Quote from: "coco"
Could anyone clarify the dating of the Haisi... link - it says on the page and in the url that it's a blog entry fromm 6/11/05?

and SandraK - care to say more re My Baby is coming home?


Please


the link is:

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005


http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

The stories on this page appear to be from yesterdays De Telegraaf.

http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2005/6/25/TE/TE_2S_20050625_5/pagina.php


Joran had to be pretty determined and persistant in his persuit of Natalee if all of the reports of him getting acquainted with her early on during her trip,

following her around, showing up in the locations where she was present,

having confrontations with her step-cousins,

and then what the Netherland's  De Telegraaf has reported.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mordred on June 26, 2005, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.[/quote]

I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:33:30 PM
Hmmmmm  per fox...   Kalpoe brothers attorney on now.. saying that JVDS told the boys what to say... interesting huh?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I can only think of how this poor guy has had his life almost ruined by all this mess. GUILTY by ASSOCIATION, it's terrible. Some of the things that I have seen on here being posted about this Croes guys just makes me sick. What if it was you rather than him? he lost his name, reputation, income, and now will forever be associated with this issue. This is ONLY the beginning, many other's Lives will be tarnished because of this. All I can think is that Poor Kalpoe's mother and her grief, there are so many innocnet victims on both sides. There's too much Sensational discussion on here and not enough reasonable theorization. I guess the reason being is that little if any information has come out.

GuyWdog...wondering if any of you will now apologise for the stuff you wrote about Croes?


I totally agree. IF they are all innocent, their names and photos are everywhere. They have no privacy at all. That is the reason (under Dutch law) we:
- Do not report the last name of a suspect (not even murderers)
- Do not publish a clear photo of a suspect

http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2005/6/25/TE/TE_2S_20050625_5/pagina.php

After all: innocent until proven otherwise .....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.[/quote]
well I hope thats not true otherwise most of us here are gonna be real stupid by the time this case is over considering they are the ones with the most coverage  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: alpha_fruit on June 26, 2005, 02:34:52 PM
deleted by author, already answered.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 02:35:58 PM
Puggywug, it an unfortunate truth that Fox blows both CNN and MSNBC out of the water in terms of ratings. I like Greta (formerly of CNN), but most of the other show hosts are like nails on a chalkboard for me!

I like MSNBC, especially Olbermann. Fox watchers, check him out -- he's hilarious!

Conservative or liberal, at least we can all agree that Natalee's story has struck a chord in all of us.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.

well I hope thats not true otherwise most of us here are gonna be real stupid by the time this case is over considering they are the ones with the most coverage  :lol:[/quote]

LOL MOM.. I guess then I will be really stupid.. I guess I chose one channel to listen to.. I swutched back and forth for the others.. gets too confusing at times.. so I picked FOX..and have stuck to it!!  SOmeone passme a dunce cap please!!  :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.

well I hope thats not true otherwise most of us here are gonna be real stupid by the time this case is over considering they are the ones with the most coverage  :lol:[/quote]

NANCY DREW'S POST BEGINS HERE
~~~~~~

Did you ever see the film, OUTFOXED?  It's well worth renting.  I spent time with the director last fall, and saw the film several times.  If you'd like to see O'Reilly lying?  Yikes.

Edited to correct the name of the film...I had it wrong.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Puggywug, it an unfortunate truth that Fox blows both CNN and MSNBC out of the water in terms of ratings. I like Greta (formerly of CNN), but most of the other show hosts are like nails on a chalkboard for me!

I like MSNBC, especially Olbermann. Fox watchers, check him out -- he's hilarious!

Conservative or liberal, at least we can all agree that Natalee's story has struck a cord in all of us.


Very true. I also like the Abrams Report on msnbc. My daughter likes it too and shes only 16 hehe


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 02:37:48 PM
it depends whether it`s true or not, but if it`s true what I would like to know is; When he instructed them to stick with one story? B/C if it was on that sunday/monday then it`s clear that they did something or something happend. But if it was the next day when they all know that natalee dissapeared then I could also understand that paulus as an attorney could give them advice of sticking to there story .


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: golden on June 26, 2005, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!

I Best keep  Quiet.
  He is a   Great guy .I always believed in him.
..Nuff said :D



Come on now...inquiring monkeys would like to know.  What's up? PM me if you don't want to put it on the board.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: "alpha_fruit"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


I found this by doing a google search of "steve croes" and "sandra"

http://www.bloggie.nl/archives/sandra_k_bekend.html


Thanks Scott.. I checked it out.. but of course cant read a word! I sent her a PM.. no reply as of yet.. and now since she used the "MY BABY" term and others asked about it.. shes disapearred!!


No she answered you up above.
{quote}Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Angiex911dsptchr wrote:
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve?? You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother?? We are curious!

I Best keep Quiet.
He is a Great guy .I always believed in him.
..Nuff said  
[/quote]


Thanks Alpha and I did notcie after I sent the post already.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: luna on June 26, 2005, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: "cast"

Joran had to be pretty determined and persistant in his persuit of Natalee if all of the reports of him getting acquainted with her early on during her trip,

following her around, showing up in the locations where she was present,

having confrontations with her step-cousins,

and then what the Netherland's  De Telegraaf has reported.


Ummmmm....Cast...did you not see the interview with two of Natalees' ROOMATES on Greta last week???

They stated that Joran was quietly playing blackjack, not flirting, keeping to himself.  She introduced herself to him.

That does not mean anything beyond that....BUT he was not following her around based on their account.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 02:39:13 PM
Did someone ever mentioned that the name "Greta van Susteren" is a typical Dutch name ?
"Susteren" is even a Dutch village: http://www.susteren.nl/
The word "van" actually means "from" ....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:39:39 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.

well I hope thats not true otherwise most of us here are gonna be real stupid by the time this case is over considering they are the ones with the most coverage  :lol:


Did you ever see the film, CONTROL ROOM?  It's well worth renting.  I spent time with the director last fall, and saw the film several times.  If you'd like to see O'Reilly lying?  Yikes.[/quote]
Havent seen it. If they have it at blockbuster or something maybe Ill try and rent it (children permitting). I really cant stand O'Reilly myself. I think its his personality. My daughter doesnt like his hair. So his show is outvoted in our house since we have a democratic run home (not the party but 5 kids 2 adults we have to vote around here lol).


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: hope on June 26, 2005, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.[/quote]

I personally have always believed that this was a set up from the very beginning that NH befriended Joran- the three had this already planned out IMO-and NH fell right into their game and trap


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 02:40:38 PM
I lost faith in the MSM a long time ago. Thanks to the web, if there is a big story I check the British, Canadian and Aussie news to get a wider view point. Actually, my lack of faith in unbias news from the MSM is why I ended up on a few blogs like this one.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 02:41:11 PM
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sobelle on June 26, 2005, 02:41:11 PM
EdwinW

Would you know if in Dutch law, when a person is being held and interrogated and its before a trial begins  that you are not required by law to say a anything but when you go to trial you are required to answer questions?
Thanks


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: "Curiosity"
I lost faith in the MSM a long time ago. Thanks to the web, if there is a big story I check the British, Canadian and Aussie news to get a wider view point. Actually, my lack of faith in unbias news from the MSM is why I ended up on a few blogs like this one.


This is an excellent point and a question to the rest of you:  have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe? Or do you think most of what's out there is blantant gossip and rumor mongering?  What can be done by bloggers to make the latter more believable?

Note:  By blogs, I do NOT mean this forum.  I mean actual blogs like the www.scaredmonkeys.com site.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 26, 2005, 02:43:29 PM
So if one of the K bros (can't remember which) said "something bad happened", are we to believe that J told him to say that?
Just wondering.


Title: angiex911
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:43:32 PM
my pm shows No PM's...  I'm just a Steve    Big Supporter.
No big Thing.   please Dear  Monkeys . Relax  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.


Joran's transportation from place to place seems to keep cropping up. We have all these reports that put him in this or that place, and very little info on how he got from A to B to C.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Did someone ever mentioned that the name "Greta van Susteren" is a typical Dutch name ?

Yep, that was my first thought when she first became involved in the case. However, she is American, and I doubt that she speaks Dutch. She can't pronounce 'Joran' properly, and I think at the beginning she was mispronouncing 'van der Sloot'.

I do think that her Dutch name has given her more inroad into getting people on camera, than any other reporter down in Aruba.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 02:44:42 PM
There was a conversation about the name of Greta a couple of days ago Edwin... :lol:

It indeed sounds very dutch not german... or it is changed furhter back by her family from VON to VAN that`s possible and that she has either a dutch or german heiritage


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 02:45:26 PM
I don't get faux. I only get CNN. What I have found is they both report the REAL breaking news at the same time..as I've seen people here make a post from fox, i've got it too at the same time with CNN.

I think the only differance is, is that Greta is their and reporting with the family. I think that is the only differance between those 2 stations. But then again, CNN has had many interviews as well with the family. So the question is, is Greta bringing more viewers to fox?

JMHO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 02:46:36 PM
REGARDING FOX RATINGS:
I was completely wrong, and I apologize to Scott and others.  FOX News Channel does outperform the other cable news channels.  Sorry I doubted it.  Now I'm a little frightened, though... :oops:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
I lost faith in the MSM a long time ago. Thanks to the web, if there is a big story I check the British, Canadian and Aussie news to get a wider view point. Actually, my lack of faith in unbias news from the MSM is why I ended up on a few blogs like this one.


This is an excellent point and a question to the rest of you:  have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe? Or do you think most of what's out there is blantant gossip and rumor mongering?  What can be done by bloggers to make the latter more believable?

Note:  By blogs, I do NOT mean this forum.  I mean actual blogs like the www.scaredmonkeys.com site.


I have been getting most of my news off blogs for awhile. I have 5 kids just as my name suggests so it isnt always easy for me to watch the news on TV. I have found that the news from blogs are more accurate and reliable most of the time. It is always easier also to read through without having someone elses opinion interrupt what your watching. I also like being able to read about a topic without a commercial break or having to hear "More after this break". I simply dont have the time to sit around and wait to hear. Of course there is always some gossip, but that is mainly in my opinion under user comments or discussion boards like this one. You have to expect that though under those sections. I honestly cant say what anyone can do to make anything "better". All I can say is I do enjoy this blog and a few others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: hope on June 26, 2005, 02:48:18 PM
Do any of you guys agree that this was and has been a set up all along when NH befriended Joran- he knew that she was an innocent/naive american- probably somewhat shy and IMO they knew that they were going to get her all along- MPO... any thoughts please


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.


Joran is wanting to get away from the scene of the crime as soon as possible.  If he had just left her there, then thats all he did and there wouldnt be the need to create a story about someone giving him a ride.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 02:48:59 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year? I wonder why? Where does she live? Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked, she would talk to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.

edited for stupid errors..;-(


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:49:29 PM
It is always easier also to read through without having someone elses opinion interrupt what your watching.

I can soooo relate to this, mom :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
I lost faith in the MSM a long time ago. Thanks to the web, if there is a big story I check the British, Canadian and Aussie news to get a wider view point. Actually, my lack of faith in unbias news from the MSM is why I ended up on a few blogs like this one.


This is an excellent point and a question to the rest of you:  have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe? Or do you think most of what's out there is blantant gossip and rumor mongering?  What can be done by bloggers to make the latter more believable?

Note:  By blogs, I do NOT mean this forum.  I mean actual blogs like the www.scaredmonkeys.com site.


I am in full support of blogs and blogging...as I stated here recently blogs have broken some great stories that MSM has put their nose up at.  However, I have to say most blogs engage in too much hearsay to be fully respected as a firm news source.  

Even our beloved sites Scared Monkeys and Dan's site, have both done some rumor mongering...IMO.

I find blogs sometimes think they are above or below journalistic standards.  I disagree with that thinking.  There are jounalistic standards for blogging and these guidelines should be follwed if blogs want to find regular respect.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:49:44 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
REGARDING FOX RATINGS:
I was completely wrong, and I apologize to Scott and others.  FOX News Channel does outperform the other cable news channels.  Sorry I doubted it.  Now I'm a little frightened, though... :oops:


LOL  I have watched the other stations.. and to me they ALL report pretty much the same things. and YES.. there are things on FOX I dont care for.. but I chose one station to watch or listen to.. rather then sit with the remote and flick back and forth.. Im too old...lol
 ALOT of people dont get FOX and have ASKED themselves to please post whatever is being said when its on!!  I am not glued to the tv 24/7.. just trying to help!!   :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: hope on June 26, 2005, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year?  SO I wonder why?  Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked she would take to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.


Yes I heard that- and I hope they do respect her privacy..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 02:49:59 PM
Getagrip wrote:

Quote
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.



It could also mean that joran talked about before they were going to C&C who picked him up satish or both and who drove...


Title: Dutch law (in dutch sorry)
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 02:50:55 PM
Zwijgrecht  right to remain silent

Een verdachte is niet tot antwoorden verplicht en dient voor verhoor te worden gewezen op zijn recht om te zwijgen. Het zwijgrecht komt voort uit het elementaire rechtsprincipe dat niemand aan zijn eigen veroordeling hoeft mee te werken. Niemand mag tegen zijn zin gedwongen worden een verklaring af te leggen. Het zwijgrecht geldt niet voor de getuige.

Jeugdcriminaliteit youth criminality

Jeugdcriminaliteit omvat zogenaamd opgroeigedrag waarbij zo nu en dan de normen worden overschreden. Kinderen, pubers en adolescenten hebben nu eenmaal de normale (gezonde) neiging om te experimenteren en grenzen te verkennen. Maar het kan ook gaan om ernstiger vormen van strafbaar gedrag, bijvoorbeeld het veelvuldig en stelselmatig plegen van delicten, om er een dure levensstijl op na te kunnen houden of om deel te kunnen uitmaken van een groep waarin delinquent gedrag de groepsnorm is.
Momenteel richten twee programma's zich op de aanpak van Jeugdcriminaliteit. Dit zijn Jeugd terecht en Operatie Jong.


De verdachte in het Nederlandse strafrecht  the suspect in Dutch law

[bewerken]
Wie is verdachte
Een verdachte is iemand ten aanzien van wie het redelijk vermoeden bestaat dat hij een bepaald strafbaar feit gepleegd heeft. Het Wetboek van Strafvordering formuleert dit als volgt:
artikel 27
Lid 1: Als verdachte wordt vóórdat de vervolging is aangevangen, aangemerkt degene te wiens aanzien uit feiten of omstandigheden een redelijk vermoeden van schuld aan eenig strafbaar feit voortvloeit.
Lid 2: Daarna wordt als verdachte aangemerkt degene tegen wien de vervolging is gericht.
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De rechten van de verdachte
Elke verdachte heeft bepaalde rechten. Dit is geregeld in het Wetboek van Strafvordering (Eerste Boek, titel II).
Deze rechten zijn onder andere:
Het recht op een zelfgekozen raadsman (zie artikel 28, lid 1 Wetboek van Strafvordering)
Het recht op contact met zijn raadsman (zie artikel 28, lid 2 Wetboek van Strafvordering)
Het recht om te zwijgen (zie artikel 29, lid 1 Wetboek van Strafvordering)
Het recht om kennis te nemen van de processtukken (toegang tot sommige stukken kan echter geweigerd worden indien het belang van het onderzoek dat vordert)
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More dutch procedure


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:51:40 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year?  SO I wonder why?  Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked she would take to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.

she lives on  The next Island,steve lives with his Grandparents.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 02:51:42 PM
HannieC , do you know if a suspect who was arrested and released can later be arrested again for the same crime, per Dutch law?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Getagrip wrote:

Quote
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.



It could also mean that joran talked about before they were going to C&C who picked him up satish or both and who drove...

He was referring to what happened after D & S dropped him off at the Marriott beach, as far as I know.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 02:52:10 PM
Quote from: "Sobelle"
EdwinW

Would you know if in Dutch law, when a person is being held and interrogated and its before a trial begins  that you are not required by law to say a anything but when you go to trial you are required to answer questions?
Thanks


Answer to both questions: no
But in court if you answer a question you must tell the truth. If you lie, you will be put behind bars for several years.

During interrogation you are allowed to speak but you are not forced to speak. Some even denies to speak at all. With modern techniques it is possible to "break" the morale of a suspect to talk (long interrogations, pushing things, tell someone stories about his children who misses him, etc). The police is under no circumvences allowed to use any physical violence.

That's also the reason why a trial also need "hard" evidence like DNA, traces, etc. During a trial they also may need confessions or witnesses.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Getagrip wrote:

Quote
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.



It could also mean that joran talked about before they were going to C&C who picked him up satish or both and who drove...


If that is the case then they never went to the casino because then nobody drove at all because both of them denied driving.  Its referring to the pick up at around 3 am.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 02:54:05 PM
Quote
have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe?


So far, the only things I can honestly say that I believe are:

1) Natlaee is missing

2) The US government has shown unusual interest and is firmly in charge

3) Mrs. Beth will not settle for a confession and no Natalee

4) Natalee was not abducted for matrimonial purposes by Ethiopian tribesmen

I confess that it is unlikely that anything I read on a blog or see on TV can dissuade me from any of the above.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year?  SO I wonder why?  Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked she would take to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.

she lives on  The next Island,steve lives with his Grandparents.


How far are the islands away from one another?? I heard the samething.. about his mom not seeing him in a year.. just curious.. and why.. if you know the answer is he living with his grandparents and not his mother?? Does that have to do with his job on the Tattoo???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:54:33 PM
There are jounalistic standards for blogging and these guidelines should be follwed if blogs want to find regular respect.

I don't know, nancy, I think they are getting respect, otherwise you wouldn't have cable news channels dedicating special interest stories to them (e.g. CNN's blog spots.) I am curious (because I really don't know) where these journalistic guidelines for blogs are communicated, unless you are simply speaking of journalistic integrity in a generalized sense as applied to blogs?  I'm confused, help me out...


Title: Home Movie
Post by: Bill on June 26, 2005, 02:56:04 PM
I just posted a clip from our home movie (taken that same week as Natalee was there) so you can get some persepective on the relationship of the lighthouse to the Holiday Inn:
Home Movie (http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=374)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: igsigs on June 26, 2005, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmmmmm  per fox...   Kalpoe brothers attorney on now.. saying that JVDS told the boys what to say... interesting huh?


Very interesting. yesterday i saw Satish's lawyer imply that they should let Satish go because they keep "asking him the same questions". The lawyer then said "they (LE) know who they have to ask questions too". definite finger pointing. The impression that the 3 amigos had somehow come together and settled on a final "story" appears not to have happenned.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:57:06 PM
Thanks, Ting.  I'm with you BTW, no Ethiopians tribesmen here :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 02:57:19 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year?  SO I wonder why?  Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked she would take to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.

she lives on  The next Island,steve lives with his Grandparents.


How far are the islands away from one another?? I heard the samething.. about his mom not seeing him in a year.. just curious.. and why.. if you know the answer is he living with his grandparents and not his mother?? Does that have to do with his job on the Tattoo???

he just got divorced..his son is on Aruba.**You know how THAT Goes**


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 02:57:29 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
REGARDING FOX RATINGS:
I was completely wrong, and I apologize to Scott and others.  FOX News Channel does outperform the other cable news channels.  Sorry I doubted it.  Now I'm a little frightened, though... :oops:


Fox = Red State
CNN = Blue State

And guess who won the last election? Be very, very afraid...


Title: Dutch law English
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 02:57:54 PM
here is some english description of the legal process


http://www.xs4all.nl/~advocare/folder60.htm#4.


Title: Re: Home Movie
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: "Bill"
I just posted a clip from our home movie (taken that same week as Natalee was there) so you can get some persepective on the relationship of the lighthouse to the Holiday Inn:
Home Movie (http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=374)


Thanks Bill - I saw that in the other thread you created.  Appreciate you putting it up there!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 02:58:07 PM
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.


Title: Re: Home Movie
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: "Bill"
I just posted a clip from our home movie (taken that same week as Natalee was there) so you can get some persepective on the relationship of the lighthouse to the Holiday Inn:
Home Movie (http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=374)


Thanks Bill..!! I have a feeling its gonna take awhile to load for me.. its loading now and my PC is running very slow!  Thanks for posting that!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hmmmmm  per fox...   Kalpoe brothers attorney on now.. saying that JVDS told the boys what to say... interesting huh?


Very interesting. yesterday i saw Satish's lawyer imply that they should let Satish go because they keep "asking him the same questions". The lawyer then said "they (LE) know who they have to ask questions too". definite finger pointing. The impression that the 3 amigos had somehow come together and settled on a final "story" appears not to have happenned.


Yes it is interesting. I've been wondering if they initially agreed to go along with Joran out of naiveness. I'm sure they weren't expecting that they would end up in jail/prison for 3 weeks so far.

I have a feeling they are telling the truth now. Just my gut instinct.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 26, 2005, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe?


2) The US government has shown unusual interest and is firmly in charge



I have seen no indication that the US government is firmly in charge of anything having to do with this case.  Nor should they be.  

Come to think of it, if they are firmly in charge, we can start blaming them and not the Aruban officials.[/i]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Also from Kock, on camera a few minutes ago on FOX (paraphrasing):
Joran's story is that Deepak came to pick him up, when Deepak denied this, he changed it to Satish, who also denies this. Kock says that the fact that J keeps changing his story would lead one to logically conclude that he has something to hide. Brothers admit that they initially lied to protect J, but that the brothers' story hasn't changed since they said they dropped off J at the Marriott beach.

Hmmmm.


I have tried to give a bit of leniency to thinking that maybe there is room for Joren and the brothers to actually be innocent....maybe they did drop him off at the beach.....he and Natalee had a disagreement and they parted ways. The problem is, it just doesn' t make logical sense. There would be no reason to lie whatsoever. Even if he was trying to cover up the fact he was out past curfew...drinking no less...all of his alibi stories have him doing the exact same things that would have made sense for a teen past curfew to lie about.

No...he lies about what happen to him and Natalee....going as far as to pin the problem on two out of work guards originally. I understand he even bungled that by not  identifying the exact uniform that is worn at the HI.....and he was at the  HI gambling only hours before?? The only reason to be text messaging friends to lie and set up alibis for him is because something happened...something he needed to cover up in a hurry! That said, the question I can't seem to come up with is where would he hide a body in a short length of time???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 03:00:17 PM
PVDS being sent back to jail!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cast on June 26, 2005, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "momto5"


And Fox is known as Faux News.

lol. I liked Fox before it was "popular". My mom calls CNN Communist News network too, I never understood the debate on this to be honest. I just like to people on Fox better then the ones on CNN or MSNBC.


I'll tell you whats wrong with FOX; I once saw O'reilly tell a blatant lie when he knew it was a lie!! He quoted from a non-existent "Paris Business Review Journal" to support some argument he was having with somebody.

I also heard that a study found out that the more you watch FOX news- the dumber  you become!! Among the study's observations was how people who use FOX as their primary news source are more likely to hold onto beliefs that have been proven not to be true.

well I hope thats not true otherwise most of us here are gonna be real stupid by the time this case is over considering they are the ones with the most coverage  :lol:


LOL MOM.. I guess then I will be really stupid.. I guess I chose one channel to listen to.. I swutched back and forth for the others.. gets too confusing at times.. so I picked FOX..and have stuck to it!!  SOmeone passme a dunce cap please!!  :shock:[/quote]

I thank Fox for their coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

However first  Geraldo lied multiple times during his first report of the case and then got in the Twitty's face reporting with unconfirmed info, which was not his place to inform this destrot family in the first place.

Second  O'Reilly spouting off about the chaperones when he did not know what the hell he was talking about. BOR at first reported that all the chaperones but one had returned to the states on a private plane leaving all the students behind.

This is what is considered fair and balance and is accepted by the public as being fair and balanced?  And this is considered the #1 news show. That says alot about us Americans. Perhaps we should add a different category and/or type of program entitled commentary or talkmeisters  or politics and soaps. Fox News should change their moto to: First to Report, Whether Right or Wrong.

Fox News savior in the Natalee Holloway case is Greta (a no-nonsence) down to earth human being. They should miss her when she goes to MSNBC soon. And when Greta leaves I will kiss Fox News goodbye with the exception of O'Reilly reading his hatemail (which is the highlight of my night).


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 03:00:53 PM
Hi Bob - I don't think the US is in charge either, or we'd have seen it on the front of the Washington Post.  There has literally been NO coverage in there at all over the last week, which I find absolutely weird....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.



that is why I think they should be punished even if they didnt hurt natalie directly.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: papito on June 26, 2005, 03:01:25 PM
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 26, 2005, 03:01:34 PM
That is why I think they hid her at his house that first night, and finished the job the next night.  That is why dad had to get the Americans away when they showed up in the middle of the night.

I just wish these guys would tell the truth.  Beth is looking terrible.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 26, 2005, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
PVDS being sent back to jail!


WOOOO HOOOO!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 03:02:13 PM
inthepacific, I've had that feeling for a while too.  If not both brothers, at least Satish.  I also think there may be truth to the theory that all 3 of them are responsible for what happened to Natalee.  But I really have begun to think that the 2 were protecting Joran in the beginning before they realized how very serious it was and how deep they would be drug into it and are now telling the truth.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kkial on June 26, 2005, 03:04:05 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.


Absolutely:  Obstruction of Justice


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: "RB"
There are jounalistic standards for blogging and these guidelines should be follwed if blogs want to find regular respect.

I don't know, nancy, I think they are getting respect, otherwise you wouldn't have cable news channels dedicating special interest stories to them (e.g. CNN's blog spots.) I am curious (because I really don't know) where these journalistic guidelines for blogs are communicated, unless you are simply speaking of journalistic integrity in a generalized sense as applied to blogs?  I'm confused, help me out...


As I said I am a fan of blogs...but, like any other form of communication, long term respect comes from an authentic trust between reader and publication/blog. Rumors and innuendo don't gain trust.  Blogs are gaining respect, but those who want to be more than a flash in the pan IMO need to follow basic journalistic guidelines.

http://www.cyberjournalist.net/news/000215.php

The blogs that have broken huge stories all have gained this trust and continue to do so.

I personally think forums need to take on a few of these rules as well. I don't think it's o.k. to throw around innocent people's names without some iota of fact at the root.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 03:05:11 PM
I see it.  Thanks for the footage Bill


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.



that is why I think they should be punished even if they didnt hurt natalie directly.


Absolutely.  At this point, if they are completely innocent of any wrong doing with Natalee, they are what led to 2 innocent people being detained for days and an investigation growing cold very quickly.  That, to me, should be punished.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
inthepacific, I've had that feeling for a while too.  If not both brothers, at least Satish.  I also think there may be truth to the theory that all 3 of them are responsible for what happened to Natalee.  But I really have begun to think that the 2 were protecting Joran in the beginning before they realized how very serious it was and how deep they would be drug into it and are now telling the truth.


My what a few weeks sleeping on concrete without decent necessities can do when you are taking the rap for someone else!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Hi papito :)

We are not looking negatively at the island of Aruba. We are concerned that there are people in custody who may be involved in trying to get away with a crime.

EDITED to add: Natalee's family just wants to find her and bring her back home where she belongs - I think we can all identify with that!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sobelle on June 26, 2005, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "Sobelle"
EdwinW

Would you know if in Dutch law, when a person is being held and interrogated and its before a trial begins  that you are not required by law to say a anything but when you go to trial you are required to answer questions?
Thanks


Answer to both questions: no
But in court if you answer a question you must tell the truth. If you lie, you will be put behind bars for several years.

During interrogation you are allowed to speak but you are not forced to speak. Some even denies to speak at all. With modern techniques it is possible to "break" the morale of a suspect to talk (long interrogations, pushing things, tell someone stories about his children who misses him, etc). The police is under no circumvences allowed to use any physical violence.

That's also the reason why a trial also need "hard" evidence like DNA, traces, etc. During a trial they also may need confessions or witnesses.


EdwinW - Thank you for answering my post.  The answer is most interesting.

iquitos- Thank you


Title: Re: Home Movie
Post by: Bill on June 26, 2005, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Bill"
I just posted a clip from our home movie (taken that same week as Natalee was there) so you can get some persepective on the relationship of the lighthouse to the Holiday Inn:
Home Movie (http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=374)


Thanks Bill..!! I have a feeling its gonna take awhile to load for me.. its loading now and my PC is running very slow!  Thanks for posting that!!

You're welcome!  Sorry it took so long to transfer the movies my my PC.  Perhaps I should render a streaming version, too?  That may help with the download time.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 26, 2005, 03:06:20 PM
I had hoped that the psychological impact of being transferred from the police jail to the prison might have made one or more them crack and confess any involvement they might had.  It didn't.

Now I am hoping that the shock of seeing his father (a respected official on the island) jailed, might lead Joran to confess.  

Who knows?

The worse-case scenario is that we've spent the last month arresting the wrong people and chasing down false leads.  I don't even wanna think about that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I have seen no indication that the US government is firmly in charge of anything having to do with this case.


It is hard to respond to that properly without discussing US foreign policy, which would be off topic.

Maybe Robert Burns can help.

Quote
Ah wad Pow’r, the giftie gie us…to see ourselves as ithers see us


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 03:07:58 PM
Didn't I read on here somewhere or hear on MSM that there is no "obstruction" charge in Aruba?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:08:21 PM
Papito, Paul van der Sloot is not the chief justice... he was just a judge in training, and it appears that he was turned down for a judgeship position.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kkial on June 26, 2005, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

This has to be a JOKE!

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:08:48 PM
You do not but unfortunatly many of your fellow country man do ! I am apealed by people who say lets invade or boycott Aruba or curcaoe.
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Hi papito :)

We are not looking negatively at the island of Aruba. We are concerned that there are people in custody who may be involved in trying to get away with a crime.

EDITED to add: Natalee's family just wants to find her and bring her back home where she belongs - I think we can all identify with that!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


We certainly are!!!   More , please.


Title: Re: Dutch law English
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
here is some english description of the legal process


http://www.xs4all.nl/~advocare/folder60.htm#4.


Thank you iquitos. Very straightforward (and with cute little pictures, too.) :)  Since Croes was first up to bat today and will be released, then he is probably what....completely innocent, perhaps a witness?  Has it happened that someone's been arrested, released and re-arrested later?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Did someone ever mentioned that the name "Greta van Susteren" is a typical Dutch name ?

Yep, that was my first thought when she first became involved in the case. However, she is American, and I doubt that she speaks Dutch. She can't pronounce 'Joran' properly, and I think at the beginning she was mispronouncing 'van der Sloot'.

I do think that her Dutch name has given her more inroad into getting people on camera, than any other reporter down in Aruba.


Perhaps her great great father is Dutch. About 100 years ago many immigrants arrived at Ellis Island, NY. I searched the website but did not find information on that. Anyway, there many Dutch influences ... more than you probably know :-D The family of former president Theodore Roosevelt is ... Dutch.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"


I personally think forums need to take on a few of these rules as well. I don't think it's o.k. to throw around innocent people's names without some iota of fact at the root.

Ditto.  In a forum, it is possible to pass on innocent people's phone numbers and urge action against them.  Kinda hard to gain respect for that.  A lot of bright and considerate people often contribute to a forum, but one dumb contributor takes everyone down a notch.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:11:38 PM
Avatar question: Where do you get your avatars? I went to an avatar site, but my security program alerted me that they were trying to send me a Trojan! Also other avatars and small pix I've downloaded are too big.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
You do not but unfortunatly many of your fellow country man do ! I am apealed by people who say lets invade or boycott Aruba or curcaoe.

First of all, bendex, I am CANADIAN, and not AMERICAN.

The boycott Aruba people are in the minority. I'm sure you would be able to arrive at the same conclusion from reading on this message board.

Instead of being so concerned about how they are being perceived, Aruban LE has to focus on solving this case.

Thank you for your understanding.

Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Hi papito :)

We are not looking negatively at the island of Aruba. We are concerned that there are people in custody who may be involved in trying to get away with a crime.

EDITED to add: Natalee's family just wants to find her and bring her back home where she belongs - I think we can all identify with that!
[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 03:12:23 PM
OK guys..just logged back on..front page of AOL news said case has been changed from missing persons to murder investigation..marianne croes says that it is suspect that she is no longer alive....give me some word, monkeys..true and respectable monkey word!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.



that is why I think they should be punished even if they didnt hurt natalie directly.


Absolutely.  At this point, if they are completely innocent of any wrong doing with Natalee, they are what led to 2 innocent people being detained for days and an investigation growing cold very quickly.  That, to me, should be punished.


I agree with all of you. Had they not lied in the beginning, perhaps the LE would have been able to hold all three immediatly, rather than letting them go and 2 security people taking the heat for their lie.

It certainly did hamper with the investigation from the beginning.

Punishment is deserving on the Kalpoe brothers for their initial lie.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Avatar question: Where do you get your avatars? I went to an avatar site, but my security program alerted me that they were trying to send me a Trojan! Also other avatars and small pix I've downloaded are too big.


You shouldn't get a trojan if you are using right click of your mouse to get the avatar for your picture file. You can look for sites that specialize in icons to find smaller pictures if all you are finding is large graphics.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
You do not but unfortunatly many of your fellow country man do ! I am apealed by people who say lets invade or boycott Aruba or curcaoe.

The ones that say that are a very tiny minority.  Loud, yes, but quite small.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!


We certainly are!!!   More , please.

Was answered..My PM is N/A..!!
I'm just a humble Chatter.and   a Big Steve Supporter.
Steve's Mom did take the same flight  in from Curacao this AM as the Judge.. :D
IMHO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:14:55 PM
Thanks for the explanation Getagrip.

Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "bendex"
You do not but unfortunatly many of your fellow country man do ! I am apealed by people who say lets invade or boycott Aruba or curcaoe.

First of all, bendex, I am CANADIAN, and not AMERICAN.

The boycott Aruba people are in the minority. I'm sure you would be able to arrive at the same conclusion from reading on this message board.

Instead of being so concerned about how they are being perceived, Aruban LE has to focus on solving this case.

Thank you for your understanding.

Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Hi papito :)

We are not looking negatively at the island of Aruba. We are concerned that there are people in custody who may be involved in trying to get away with a crime.

EDITED to add: Natalee's family just wants to find her and bring her back home where she belongs - I think we can all identify with that!
[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Did someone ever mentioned that the name "Greta van Susteren" is a typical Dutch name ?

Yep, that was my first thought when she first became involved in the case. However, she is American, and I doubt that she speaks Dutch. She can't pronounce 'Joran' properly, and I think at the beginning she was mispronouncing 'van der Sloot'.

I do think that her Dutch name has given her more inroad into getting people on camera, than any other reporter down in Aruba.


Perhaps her great great father is Dutch. About 100 years ago many immigrants arrived at Ellis Island, NY. I searched the website but did not find information on that. Anyway, there many Dutch influences ... more than you probably know :-D The family of former president Theodore Roosevelt is ... Dutch.


Don't forget, New York used to be Nieuw Amsterdam :P


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:16:31 PM
Does anyone knows if natalee holloway speeks latino or spanish


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sandra K.. I sent you a PM a while ago.. and others have asked .. DO you know Steve??  You referred to him as "MY BABY".. Did you date him? Are you his mother??   We are curious!

I Best keep  Quiet.
  He is a   Great guy .I always believed in him.
..Nuff said :D


So you DO know him?  Please tell us about him?  Now that you have spoken out you might as well share with us....why you alway believed in him? to me 'My Baby' would make one believe you are extremely close, IMO  Do you also know any of the other three suspects?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:17:02 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "EdwinW"
Did someone ever mentioned that the name "Greta van Susteren" is a typical Dutch name ?

Yep, that was my first thought when she first became involved in the case. However, she is American, and I doubt that she speaks Dutch. She can't pronounce 'Joran' properly, and I think at the beginning she was mispronouncing 'van der Sloot'.

I do think that her Dutch name has given her more inroad into getting people on camera, than any other reporter down in Aruba.


Perhaps her great great father is Dutch. About 100 years ago many immigrants arrived at Ellis Island, NY. I searched the website but did not find information on that. Anyway, there many Dutch influences ... more than you probably know :-D The family of former president Theodore Roosevelt is ... Dutch.


Don't forget, New York used to be Nieuw Amsterdam :P


Don't forget Albany, New York where they hold an annual tulip festival. It has a very Dutch influence. There's also Amsterdam, NY....gee wonder how they came up with that name. :D  :D  :D


Title: the best map of Aruba ?
Post by: Kristy on June 26, 2005, 03:17:04 PM
Could someone please post or PM me the best map of Aruba.  I have just searched the forum, but cannot find the one with the dots on the left side showing all of the hotels ...

Id greatly appreciate it .

Kristy   :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Does anyone knows if holloway speeks latino or spanish

Latino is not a language. I've read that NH studied Spanish in school.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


This post is incorrect, momto5. This guy is spamming :evil:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


WHERE are we getting that Paul vdS is chief justice, boss of the judges???? It has been widely reported that he was a fairly minor official, a judge in training who has been turned down for a permanent judgeship position.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK guys..just logged back on..front page of AOL news said case has been changed from missing persons to murder investigation..marianne croes says that it is suspect that she is no longer alive....give me some word, monkeys..true and respectable monkey word!!


1. AOL sucks.
2. Weren't the security guards charged with murder as well?
3. Marianne Croes has no idea what she's talking about.
4. The word is there is NO EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE! :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Don't forget Albany, New York where they hold an annual tulip festival. It has a very Dutch influence. There's also Amsterdam, NY....gee wonder how they came up with that name. :D  :D  :D

A good friend of mine lives in Haarlem...in the Netherlands, but of course everyone knows about the Harlem district in NYC  :)


Title: Re: the best map of Aruba ?
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: "Kristy"
Could someone please post or PM me the best map of Aruba.  I have just searched the forum, but cannot find the one with the dots on the left side showing all of the hotels ...

Id greatly appreciate it .

Kristy   :D


http://aruba.com/pages/regionalmap.htm


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I have seen no indication that the US government is firmly in charge of anything having to do with this case.


It is hard to respond to that properly without discussing US foreign policy, which would be off topic.

Maybe Robert Burns can help.

Quote
Ah wad Pow’r, the giftie gie us…to see ourselves as ithers see us


i commented on this last night.   we have a consulate in curacao with jurisdiction over aruba  the consulate is responsible in cases like this, missing americans, dead americans, etc yet the consulate has been invisible.  odd


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Does anyone knows if natalee holloway speeks latino or spanish


Took Spanish in HS


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK guys..just logged back on..front page of AOL news said case has been changed from missing persons to murder investigation..marianne croes says that it is suspect that she is no longer alive....give me some word, monkeys..true and respectable monkey word!!


1. AOL sucks.
2. Weren't the security guards charged with murder as well?
3. Marianne Croes has no idea what she's talking about.
4. The word is there is NO EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE! :shock:


Unfortunately, we haven't any idea what they have from the stuff they sent to forensics in the Netherlands. I'm referring to those bags they took from the VDS's, the cars, computers, etc.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


This post is incorrect, momto5. This guy is spamming :evil:


I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:21:19 PM
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
OK guys..just logged back on..front page of AOL news said case has been changed from missing persons to murder investigation..marianne croes says that it is suspect that she is no longer alive....give me some word, monkeys..true and respectable monkey word!!


1. AOL sucks.
2. Weren't the security guards charged with murder as well?
3. Marianne Croes has no idea what she's talking about.
4. The word is there is NO EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE! :shock:


Unfortunately, we haven't any idea what they have from the stuff they sent to forensics in the Netherlands. I'm referring to those bags they took from the VDS's, the cars, computers, etc.


I have a good idea - nothing - just like the rest of their "evidence".


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: elainaver on June 26, 2005, 03:22:54 PM
Have you noticed the 'gang signs' used in the pics of Joran and Croes?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


This post is incorrect, momto5. This guy is spamming :evil:


I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.


He is spamming because he has posted the same message several times on diff threads. It is incorrect because of what he says about PVDS, that is what I was referring to, the rest is just his opinion.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
have you found more info on blogs like this one about this case that you believe?


2) The US government has shown unusual interest and is firmly in charge



I have seen no indication that the US government is firmly in charge of anything having to do with this case.  Nor should they be.  

Come to think of it, if they are firmly in charge, we can start blaming them and not the Aruban officials.[/i]


you got it, they don't want to appear to be firmly in charge because then they get blamed.  fbi much prefers credit to blame and they have had plenty of the latter lately.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: "elainaver"
Have you noticed the 'gang signs' used in the pics of Joran and Croes?


Most kids use these gang signs. Doesn't mean anything except they're trying to act cool.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


This post is incorrect, momto5. This guy is spamming :evil:


I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.


I did actually  hear on FOX the other night that PVDS is actually some head of Government something...I dont know...its all hearsay at this point...GRRRRR :twisted:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: "elainaver"
Have you noticed the 'gang signs' used in the pics of Joran and Croes?


Nothing unusual for a lot of teens today.

I notice this is your first post. If you are curious about the gang signs, do a search on this site and you should come up with quite a few interesting past discussions of this topic.

Since this is your first post, let me welcome you to the forum!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:26:40 PM
I hate to say this guys but I am afraid they are going to release joran van der sloot or they will prosecute hin on hindering the investigation as well as I doubt if the prosecuter has a case.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

Is this sarcasm?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:27:09 PM
I think we know exactly what PVDS does, it has been confirmed by numerous, reliable sources. He was not the head of anything.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "papito"
Mr. Paul van der Sloot is da chief justice on da island (he is da boss of the judges) it's because of that, that the Chief Justice of Curacao has to come to the island to follow and make the choices in the case.
I agree that there is something fishy about the whole thing, but it's unfair how the world now look at Aruba.
We are very caring and loving people. In the States much worse things happen and after sometimes 10 /20 years they crack the case. Give the arubians a little bit of slack. Don't forget that we are surrounded by sea if they dumped (IF THEY DID) her body in the sea. The sharkes would have already eaten the body. And if the suspects shut up and don't talk than the case will close and they will go out free. And don't forget either that paul is a chief justice he knows the law like you guys know the songs they play on MTV. It's not easy to crack a chief justice.

A Police officer of The sunny happy Island of Aruba

Thanks for the post, and it clears up for me what exactly papa vds does for a living since its been pretty confusing what his job is/was.
For the record I dont look down on the arubans. I know you guys have been hit with a media frenzy and not used to dealing with a crime such as this. And from the posters here from aruba, you all seem very nice.


This post is incorrect, momto5. This guy is spamming :evil:


I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.


awww ok thanks lol. I went to frost a cake. trying to get ready for a mini 16th bday party here while reading posts. Sorry took awhile to respond.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:27:42 PM
Yes indeed !!!

Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "elainaver"
Have you noticed the 'gang signs' used in the pics of Joran and Croes?


Never mind.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 03:28:32 PM
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050626/D8AVF6KO0.html

from the article - Aruba Judge Orders Release of Disc Jockey



But on Saturday, Satish Kalpoe's lawyer said his client admitted that his story was a lie.

Satish now claims that he and brother dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off together at the Marriott hotel, then went home, his lawyer, David Kock, said.

On Sunday, Kock said the brothers were becoming increasingly angry with van der Sloot and accusing him of changing his story to put the blame for Holloway's disappearance on them.

Kock would not elaborate.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, said, "My client maintains his innocence."


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I hate to say this guys but I am afraid they are going to release joran van der sloot or they will prosecute hin on hindering the investigation as well as I doubt if the prosecuter has a case.


Where are you hearing this?? I hope not...this guy has told too many lies.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

SAY WHAT??? The woman lives  on Curacao.
That is a Cruel Remark. :twisted:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Hi Bob - I don't think the US is in charge either, or we'd have seen it on the front of the Washington Post.  There has literally been NO coverage in there at all over the last week, which I find absolutely weird....


if you stay away from the monkeys and cable tv, listen to NPR and read a serious paper your chances of hearing anything about natalee outside the MB market and the hometowns of the Holloways and Twittys are slim.  I tried it for a few hours the other day but i relapsed.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: EdwinW on June 26, 2005, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Yes indeed !!!


Quote from: "EdwinW"
Quote from: "elainaver"
Have you noticed the 'gang signs' used in the pics of Joran and Croes?


Never mind.


You're too fast for my typing :-D. I didn't read the post that well so I had to edit mine.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 03:30:17 PM
but i relapsed  :lol:


Title: Re: angiex911
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
my pm shows No PM's...  I'm just a Steve    Big Supporter.
No big Thing.   please Dear  Monkeys . Relax  :D


Please...tell us WHY you are a big Steve supporter....how long have you been his supporter....I think you must be the first I have read about.....share with your fellow monkeys....who BTW...never relax!  We are too busy swtiching channels to relax!  ;-)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

SAY WHAT??? The woman lives  on Curacao.
That is a Cruel Remark. :twisted:

He was trying to be 'sarcastic', suggesting that there's a conspiracy to 'frame' the suspects now in custody.

IMHO, that's a pretty blatant attack on the Aruban justice system.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 03:31:39 PM
Thanks Nicci...I have found that nobody really has been able to verify PVDS real position. So for all we know he could be just that.

[\quote]

I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.[/quote]

I did actually  hear on FOX the other night that PVDS is actually some head of Government something...I dont know...its all hearsay at this point...GRRRRR :twisted:[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Deepak and Satish should be charged with fingering innocent security guards, and then not speaking up when two innocent men were picked up based upon what they told police.  In addition, this diversion gave the perp/s time to get rid of evidence.  If nothing more their lies have hurt:

1) Their mother
2) Natalee's family
3) Security guards and parents
4) Aruba

If they told the truth from the beginning I think this story may have played out much differently.



that is why I think they should be punished even if they didnt hurt natalie directly.


Absolutely.  At this point, if they are completely innocent of any wrong doing with Natalee, they are what led to 2 innocent people being detained for days and an investigation growing cold very quickly.  That, to me, should be punished.


I agree with all of you. Had they not lied in the beginning, perhaps the LE would have been able to hold all three immediatly, rather than letting them go and 2 security people taking the heat for their lie.

It certainly did hamper with the investigation from the beginning.

Punishment is deserving on the Kalpoe brothers for their initial lie.


In defense of the Kalpoes:  Perhaps JvdS was very "persuasive" when he asked the Kalpoes to lie.  

If the son of a judge/government official  pressured me to lie, I would feel like I was between a rock and a hard place.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 03:31:59 PM
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 03:32:08 PM
Paulis VDS waives his right NOT to testify against his son.

Fox news


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 03:32:09 PM
Did you guys hear that?  PVDS waived his right to not testify against his son.  Maybe this is old news.

oops, had to edit.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

Is this sarcasm?


Unfortunately not. Don't you keep up with the news? They arrested Joran's father to put pressure on Joran to confess. Dutch law sure is a lot like Mafia law... :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
kshe, the problem is that she is not obligated to testify whatever her son or husband told her. So there is no reason to pick her up


arubagirl - Thanks, I always forget that about Dutch law.  There might still be some light she could shed - along the lines of what someone else posted earlier.  

Did Joran do his own laundry on a regular basis, and if not, did he do it before you came back?  (Which would be unusual)

Who knows - just looking for something to help out, but thanks!


do people have part or full time cleaning ladies and servants on aruba?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:33:08 PM
I have not heard it but my best guess is the following

1. Joran did not do it and lied to civer his behiny for another act.

2. Joran is involved in the disapearance of Natalee , but after recieving clear instruction from his father . He denies everything , do not forget one important thing no corpse , no confession no case ! Might have commited the perfect murder.

Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "bendex"
I hate to say this guys but I am afraid they are going to release joran van der sloot or they will prosecute hin on hindering the investigation as well as I doubt if the prosecuter has a case.


Where are you hearing this?? I hope not...this guy has told too many lies.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
In defense of the Kalpoes:  Perhaps JvdS was very "persuasive" when he asked the Kalpoes to lie.  

If the son of a judge/government official  pressured me to lie, I would feel like I was between a rock and a hard place.

That's an excellent point, and most likely what the reality is.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

Is this sarcasm?


Unfortunately not. Don't you keep up with the news? They arrested Joran's father to put pressure on Joran to confess. Dutch law sure is a lot like Mafia law... :lol:


That was speculation, inspector.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog


That's because he has nothing bad to say about Joran.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Did you guys hear that?  PVDS waived his right to not testify against his son.  Maybe this is old news.

oops, had to edit.


this sounds like bad news for the prosecutor IMO  :?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 26, 2005, 03:34:24 PM
Maybe the truth is finally about to come out.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PeeCee on June 26, 2005, 03:34:32 PM
Does Papa waiving this right mean that he didn't see anything but did hear something?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Paulis VDS waives his right NOT to testify against his son.

Fox news


Damn I missed that....!! SO .. does that mean he will testify against him??   Im confused!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

Is this sarcasm?


Unfortunately not. Don't you keep up with the news? They arrested Joran's father to put pressure on Joran to confess. Dutch law sure is a lot like Mafia law... :lol:


That was speculation, inspector.


No actually Katya - that was out of the mouth of your official Rudy Croes.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Maybe the truth is finally about to come out.


or a version of it?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Another K in Texas on June 26, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 03:35:19 PM
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: littletxlady on June 26, 2005, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog


That's because he has nothing bad to say about Joran.


Could you 'splain this ruling?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog

This just gets curiouser and curiouser.  Why would he do that I wonder?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Did you guys hear that?  PVDS waived his right to not testify against his son.  Maybe this is old news.

oops, had to edit.


this sounds like bad news for the prosecutor IMO  :?


nevermind  :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog

Very interesting...So he is willing to tell LE all he knows.
@8 We will find out if he will stay in Da Klink.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Maybe the truth is finally about to come out.


Yup, here it is: The police have no evidence in this case... :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 03:37:27 PM
People wake up......cant you see this is a SIGN From Daddy VDSllot saying that he is innocent and has NO FEAR of testifying.....


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Maybe the truth is finally about to come out.


Yup, here it is: The police have no evidence in this case... :wink:

And how do you know that Inspector??


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
BIG NEWS Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son...


GuyWdog

This just gets curiouser and curiouser.  Why would he do that I wonder?

I hate to be overly cynical, but if the body is so well hidden/disposed of that he knows it will never be found, he could very well volunteer to testify in defense of his son (lie on the stand), increasing the chances that he is cleared.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


or it could mean that he has another son who is even younger, as well as a wife that he does not wish to see subjected to the same "intense interrogation" he and his son are enduring.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Thanks Nicci...I have found that nobody really has been able to verify PVDS real position. So for all we know he could be just that.

[\quote]

I don't find all of it incorrect. Alot of what he says, makes sense. This also doesn't look like spam.

The only questionable thing that he says is whether or not PVDS is cheif justice on Aruba. I haven't heard that one.


I did actually  hear on FOX the other night that PVDS is actually some head of Government something...I dont know...its all hearsay at this point...GRRRRR :twisted:[/quote][/quote]

Paul is a lawyer. He taught at the Law school at the U of Aruba and served in some capacity in the Justice Department (not as judge). He has been a judge in training, able to sit in on cases but not make judgements. He spent a one year internship in the Netherlands from March 2004-2005 preparing for his judgeship, but failed the test. He reportedly was seeking another (non-judge) posistion with the JD at the time of NH disappearance.

This has been hashed around a bunch and there have been enough supporting reliable sources for this to be accepted as fact, I think.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 03:38:43 PM
Quote
In defense of the Kalpoes: Perhaps JvdS was very "persuasive" when he asked the Kalpoes to lie.

If the son of a judge/government official pressured me to lie, I would feel like I was between a rock and a hard place


You could be right, and If this is the case, I would hope that they have told of this extreme pressure to the investigators.[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Ting"
I hope that Mr. Croes' family will be able to arrange safe conduct for him to an off-island undisclosed location for a while.

As several people have pointed out, there are US nationals currently in Aruba who might wish to do him harm.

Now that his mother has been on TV, and I believe an uncle, it would probably be better if they accompany him.


Re: SC's  mother...I heard that she had not seen him for a year?  SO I wonder why?  Did anyone else see that?  Also she told the press that when she talked she would take to the Aruban (press, I am assuming) first.

she lives on  The next Island,...which next island would that be??? steve lives with his Grandparents.......I was just wondering why they hadn't seen each othr for a year...especially if they are just an island away....what brought him to Aruba and when???  with all the attention I wonder if he still has a job on the Tattoo?  It seems he might be a liability since the boat so directly involved with tourists?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "arrabba"
In defense of the Kalpoes:  Perhaps JvdS was very "persuasive" when he asked the Kalpoes to lie.  

If the son of a judge/government official  pressured me to lie, I would feel like I was between a rock and a hard place.

That's an excellent point, and most likely what the reality is.


People of strong moral character will make the right decision under difficult circumstances.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

SAY WHAT??? The woman lives  on Curacao.
That is a Cruel Remark. :twisted:


It's comments like this that happen day in and day out that make you wonder why this is allowed by several posters yet Razzy is banned for "tone"....

Inspector, that comment sucks!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


or it could mean that he has another son who is even younger, as well as a wife that he does not wish to see subjected to the same "intense interrogation" he and his son are enduring.


Yeah, they could put Joran's little sister in jail too. :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:39:32 PM
I Hear doors opening soon.
LE got Nothing. But Pressure.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


My husband thinks so. I said well maybe he is going to testify so he doesnt lose anymore credibility. He said or maybe he didnt see or hear anything to begin with.


Title: Thank you !!!
Post by: Kristy on June 26, 2005, 03:39:45 PM
Thanks for the map la_cavaličre.   :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wantsanswers on June 26, 2005, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


just shows he thinks he is good at lying!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


or it could mean that he has another son who is even younger, as well as a wife that he does not wish to see subjected to the same "intense interrogation" he and his son are enduring.


Yeah, they could put Joran's little sister in jail too. :lol:


Again, this comment is dreadful.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Bill on June 26, 2005, 03:42:20 PM
OK, I've added a "streaming" video version of the clip for those of us with less broadband-like connections to the Internet.  This should be faster, and the quality degradation is minimal.  But you be the judge.

Again, I put this on our Website (so no it won't run up a big bill for Scared Monkeys :-) so that you can get an idea of where the lighthouse is in relation to the Holiday Inn.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=374


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


or it could mean that he has another son who is even younger, as well as a wife that he does not wish to see subjected to the same "intense interrogation" he and his son are enduring.


Yeah, they could put Joran's little sister in jail too. :lol:


No little sister, but two younger brothers.

Wonder if they've been questioned? I think they were both with Mom vdS in the Netherlands, but he might have talked to one of them.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

Is this sarcasm?


Unfortunately not. Don't you keep up with the news? They arrested Joran's father to put pressure on Joran to confess. Dutch law sure is a lot like Mafia law... :lol:


That was speculation, inspector.


No actually Katya - that was out of the mouth of your official Rudy Croes.


Rudy Croes said he was speculating.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 03:43:25 PM
Inspector has a PM from me. Let's move on.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 03:43:37 PM
<<Paulus VDSLOOT has WAIVED his right to NOT testify against his son... >>

1) This looks like a tactical move by PVDS.  

2) How the hell is the family privilege at issue not jointly or collectively held?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 03:43:46 PM
The ever so popular Geraldo is up next.  Can't wait to hear his insight. :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
The ever so popular Geraldo is up next.  Can't wait to hear his insight. :lol:

Ugh! Great...that man confuses me more than anything else.

P.S. Sorry, RB  :oops:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 03:45:41 PM
Legal experts on Fox have a different take on what PVDS did when he waived his right to not testify against son.....they said he could be worried about his career, and if the son made a mistake, he needs to think about his own future.  From all that, I got that whatever he knows, he now must tell, and he knows it's in HIS best interests to cooperate with LE.

I didn't get the impression at all that this would mean Joran was innocent.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Too bad they coulnd't get Croes to fess up. The should have arrested his mother, she was standing outside the courtroom. I'll bet he would have started talking then!

SAY WHAT??? The woman lives  on Curacao.
That is a Cruel Remark. :twisted:


It's comments like this that happen day in and day out that make you wonder why this is allowed by several posters yet Razzy is banned for "tone"....

Inspector, that comment sucks!!!


Apparantly Mrs. Croes made the trip from Curacao.

But it's ok to arrest Joran's father though right?

For the record I don't believe that the police should be allowed to arrest relatives to put pressure on witnesses. (I was being sarcastic)

Too bad Razzy got banned. I also believe in free speech, and enjoyed debating with her.

Nancy - You're just pissed cuz all your +++++++ theories are falling apart...


What theories would those be?  On the contrary, the case is following along just as I would suspect.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:47:18 PM
GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
me ,too :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 03:47:25 PM
Cant we all just get along? lol   Yikes!  :?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 03:47:56 PM
I really don`t think that paul waives his right to NOT testify against his son has ANYTHING to do with a careermove....sorry !!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:48:17 PM
I hate to admit it but I was once iterrogated for a few days in the Dutch city of Haarlem many years ago, they not hit you but they play very strong mental games. I was sh*tt*ng all colours of the rainbow.
Let you sleep on a cold floor wake you up every hour to intrrogated again, bring in your family issues etc.

I stay put with my view, if Joran has not confessed by now he is innocent , and when he is not innocent I bow in deep respect for him for being such a die- hard for a first timer and a kid of 17 years old .

If hes has confessed certainly there would be a more structured search for Ntalees where abouts.

Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
It could mean that he is going to take the blame so son could have a life.


or it could mean that he has another son who is even younger, as well as a wife that he does not wish to see subjected to the same "intense interrogation" he and his son are enduring.


Yeah, they could put Joran's little sister in jail too. :lol:


Again, this comment is dreadful.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


just shows he thinks he is good at lying!!

That's what I was thinking.  Perhaps he thinks the authorities don't have enough evidence against him or his son, and he is planning ot lie under oath...***JUST SPECULATIN'****Just throwing it out there.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 03:49:02 PM
Uh oh, Geraldo's saying that SC voluntarily went to the police and said that he SAW the 3 drop off Natalee at the HI - presumably to cover for his buddies. When their stories changed, SC was taken in for further questioning.

So SC may not be involved in the disappearance, but he is at fault for lying and obstructing justice.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I really don`t think that paul waives his right to NOT testify against his son has ANYTHING to do with a careermove....sorry !!!


i agree with you, Hannie.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Why is this getting so much attention? What about all the other people who disappear EVERY day?


THat is a question that has been raised many times on this blog hence we must start somewhere.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 03:51:17 PM
I agree that PVDS just made a tactical move for he and his son.  He waives his right not to talk but continues to tell what he has told all along.  Joran snuck out, he did not know that, woke Joran up for school, doesn't know for sure if he went or not.  No more damage done than already done and he looks as if he has nothing to hide.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 03:51:24 PM
per Fox, the case is now changing, not by the minute but by the second!   :twisted:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: "wantsanswers"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Lots of ridiculous stuff going on this board. People dont just accuse others of rape, druggings, they convict them in a public forum. It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....


GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!


They envy us! that leads to hate dear


Most of the rest of the world does not envy Americans. but this is totally off topic...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Lots of ridiculous stuff going on this board. People dont just accuse others of rape, druggings, they convict them in a public forum. It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....


GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have never said anything about croes. Quite frankly when I heard his ex-wife talk about him, my hunch told me he was innocent towards the disappearance of Natalee.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 03:52:49 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
per Fox, the case is now changing, not by the minute but by the second!   :twisted:


Can you elaborate a bit?  I get Fox, but I'm deaf and they don't have closed captioners on duty on weekends!   :twisted:  GRRRRR..... I'm just reading by-lines!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Uh oh, Geraldo's saying that SC voluntarily went to the police and said that he SAW the 3 drop off Natalee at the HI - presumably to cover for his buddies. When their stories changed, SC was taken in for further questioning.

So SC may not be involved in the disappearance, but he is at fault for lying and obstructing justice.

Geraldo knows Nothing.  This AM he had the E-Mail  Story.
LE is NOT briefing Him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 03:53:10 PM
Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning. While i think it is alright to speculate, I constantky see people post stuff that says these guys did this or that. You obviousoy have convicted these guys already without ANY FACTS. Dont you all know this is a SLIPPERY SLOPE issue? I am personally sickened by some of the stuff I have seen posted on here. From talks of RAPE, to Gang Bangs, this is just RIDICULOUS Can you not discuss this without your constant barage of Lynch Mob Mentality?


GuyWdog--


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 03:53:17 PM
I`m so sorry to see that everything that comes out must be not believable or something. I think that a lot of people here are to eager to hang somebody.......


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!

me ,too :D[/quote]

 WELL  I can HONESTLY say I have never said ANYTHING sick about your friend Steve Croes or anyone else for that matter.. YOU want apologies.. which is fine. BUT still wont coment on why SC is your BABY . OR if you know the other 3 people??  Tit FOR Tat.. Damn... I dont want to argue......... I hate arguing.. BUT not ALL of us here said SICK comments about your BABY Steve.. ONLY speculations made since he was an operator of a boat is ALL I ever heard..and that isnt sick sounding to me.. IMO...  you have a teenage girl missing.. dipshits that dont know their ass form a hole in the ground.. Lies Lies Lies.. and then have someone who has acsess to a boat then involved??   Its no nwonder people here MAY have thought he was involved in some way.. I am happy for the dude that hes getting out.. I dont believe in holding an innocent person in jail oif they have nothing to do with what is going on!!!  If you want apologies.. then why not say WHY he is your baby.. ??????????  DAMN!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
People wake up......cant you see this is a SIGN From Daddy VDSllot saying that he is innocent and has NO FEAR of testifying.....


GuyWdog


That is how I read it as well.  This just gets more and more confusing??

BTW....any confirmation about Mrs VDS's house being 'boarded up'...(I am thinking hurricane shutters here).....has there been any sight her her in the past 2 days?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 03:54:05 PM
hey yall


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "Ting"
per Fox, the case is now changing, not by the minute but by the second!   :twisted:


Can you elaborate a bit?  I get Fox, but I'm deaf and they don't have closed captioners on duty on weekends!   :twisted:  GRRRRR..... I'm just reading by-lines!


That was just their "stay tuned" outro line before the last commercial break. It gave me a much needed belly laugh. No offense or cultural insensitivity intended.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Bill on June 26, 2005, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall

Hi, sweetie  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall

Hiya Dash!!  How are you?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Why is this getting so much attention? What about all the other people who disappear EVERY day?

True enough, but it is impossible to give them all the attention they deserve. Therefore, some occationally get covered out of proportion.

Would you have us ignore them all?


I'm sure if your child was in the same position, you would want as much coverage as possible to keep officials working hard on the case. Many of us have been here, reading from day one....before there was a board on the blog comments. We have grown through this case as a group....hoping and praying for Natalee's return. She is as one member put in their signature "everyone's daughter" now.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning. While i think it is alright to speculate, I constantky see people post stuff that says these guys did this or that. You obviousoy have convicted these guys already without ANY FACTS. Dont you all know this is a SLIPPERY SLOPE issue? I am personally sickened by some of the stuff I have seen posted on here. From talks of RAPE, to Gang Bangs, this is just RIDICULOUS Can you not discuss this without your constant barage of Lynch Mob Mentality?


GuyWdog--still waiting on these people that said SICK stuff about CROES, You know who you are, fess up and come clean !!!


Well, I didn't say anything sick about him...but as far as I know, letting him go because they don't have enough evidence no way ascertains guilt or innocence. Only lack of evidence.  Just sayin'.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Lots of ridiculous stuff going on this board. People dont just accuse others of rape, druggings, they convict them in a public forum. It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....


GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm sure Croes is more upset about spending 8 days in jail for nothing than anything written about him on the internet...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 03:56:07 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall

Hey Dash..  tone here is a bit hot and not much light going on.  In other words, same as usual.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Dallas Also on June 26, 2005, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall


Hello!  We have rumor here but are basically absorbing the news from the hearings going on today.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "sandraK"
GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!

me ,too :D


 WELL  I can HONESTLY say I have never said ANYTHING sick about your friend Steve Croes or anyone else for that matter.. YOU want apologies.. which is fine. BUT still wont coment on why SC is your BABY . OR if you know the other 3 people??  Tit FOR Tat.. Damn... I dont want to argue......... I hate arguing.. BUT not ALL of us here said SICK comments about your BABY Steve.. ONLY speculations made since he was an operator of a boat is ALL I ever heard..and that isnt sick sounding to me.. IMO...  you have a teenage girl missing.. dipshits that dont know their ass form a hole in the ground.. Lies Lies Lies.. and then have someone who has acsess to a boat then involved??   Its no nwonder people here MAY have thought he was involved in some way.. I am happy for the dude that hes getting out.. I dont believe in holding an innocent person in jail oif they have nothing to do with what is going on!!!  If you want apologies.. then why not say WHY he is your baby.. ??????????  DAMN![/quote] I Did 6 Times!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall


Hey Dash!  How are you?   :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
It's not that I'm not interested, I only asked a question. Why is this case so different from the other thousands of people (especially kids) who disappear every day? PS....As you can see from my previous posts, I don't come here that often.


I don't know either.  I can only tell you why it interested me..... I found it weird how they (Arubans) handled the case, and didn't felt like they treated it like one of their own. Maybe they don't look after their own the same way. I have no idea. I'm not there, never been there, don't plan to go there. (I'm a snow bunny kind of fan!)  

But who knows?  But welcome!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 03:57:46 PM
I fully agree , why every dissapearance has to be ascociated with terms as sex , drugs, kidnap, and gangbanging, some people over here have really perverse thoughts. Why not be that she dissapeard on her own or that she died an accidental death ?

Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning. While i think it is alright to speculate, I constantky see people post stuff that says these guys did this or that. You obviousoy have convicted these guys already without ANY FACTS. Dont you all know this is a SLIPPERY SLOPE issue? I am personally sickened by some of the stuff I have seen posted on here. From talks of RAPE, to Gang Bangs, this is just RIDICULOUS Can you not discuss this without your constant barage of Lynch Mob Mentality?


GuyWdog--still waiting on these people that said SICK stuff about CROES, You know who you are, fess up and come clean !!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall


DASH!!! Hey girl...how are things in Bama?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 03:58:35 PM
Wow, just reading over some posts... it sure seems that people have forgotten the point of this forum: to support an innocent girl who has been horribly victimized... glad to see so many people are willing to stick up for her attackers...  :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: pinemeadows on June 26, 2005, 03:58:38 PM
quote="GuyWdog"]It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....[/b]

GuyWdog

"Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning."

Hey Guy, why don't you take your own advice....take a chill pill or something.  Sheesh....telling the rest of us to lighten up?

Move on.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: altruist on June 26, 2005, 03:58:46 PM
Well let's hope that Mr. Van der Sloot has decided that his earlier attempts to set people up were fruitless & will now speak the truth & not just to manipulate the system that he had devoted most of his life to.  JMHO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 03:59:28 PM
Hello Dash..!!  HUGS form PA to you honey...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I fully agree , why every dissapearance has to be ascociated with terms as sex , drugs, kidnap, and gangbanging, some people over here have really perverse thoughts. Why not be that she dissapeard on her own or that she died an accidental death ?

Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning. While i think it is alright to speculate, I constantky see people post stuff that says these guys did this or that. You obviousoy have convicted these guys already without ANY FACTS. Dont you all know this is a SLIPPERY SLOPE issue? I am personally sickened by some of the stuff I have seen posted on here. From talks of RAPE, to Gang Bangs, this is just RIDICULOUS Can you not discuss this without your constant barage of Lynch Mob Mentality?


GuyWdog--still waiting on these people that said SICK stuff about CROES, You know who you are, fess up and come clean !!!


i suppose bendex that because we have no real information but indications that the three main stuspects are lying that we tend to rule out the possibility that she disappeard or that death was accidental. if that were the case why would the stories not have converged by now?  that does not seem to be what's happening.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:00:19 PM
Is it possible that Steve was guilty of something. But Is being released because he has time served that covers the offense.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Nicole on June 26, 2005, 04:00:28 PM
Regarding Lemon's post about how Aruba handled this  case....obviously when you go to another country, they handle things differently. At first, they probably didn't take it seriously until all the media attention.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:00:38 PM
Well to be quite sincere I prever that she is alive and escaped to venezuela slipping cocktails then she has been murdered by some island folks .

Quote from: "Nicole"
Well of course I want her to come home, just like everyone else. But lets face reality. I don't think she's alive. I also want ALL of the other missing children to come home too.  I was just wondering why this one case generated so much attention. You can't even watch FOX news anymore. This is practically the only story they ever talk about. What about the Osama Bin Laden story? They think they know where he's hiding, yet all they can talk about is this case. Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, it wasn't intended to.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I`m so sorry to see that everything that comes out must be not believable or something. I think that a lot of people here are to eager to hang somebody.......


I agree. And I'd really like to start ragging on them... :twisted:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Nicole on June 26, 2005, 04:01:43 PM
I don't want to start a conversation about Bin Laden. Just stating that that seems like a more important story than one missing person.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: momto5 on June 26, 2005, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well of course I want her to come home, just like everyone else. But lets face reality. I don't think she's alive. I also want ALL of the other missing children to come home too.  I was just wondering why this one case generated so much attention. You can't even watch FOX news anymore. This is practically the only story they ever talk about. What about the Osama Bin Laden story? They think they know where he's hiding, yet all they can talk about is this case. Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, it wasn't intended to.


Nicole I think you asked a reasonable question, just bad timing as it seems alot of people are disagreeing at the moment.
Personally I was attracted to the case for 2 reasons. One being my own son was kidnapped, so I am naturally drawn to stories like this to see what they are doing in an attempt to bring the missing person home. Thankfull as I have said before I got my son back.
Second I also have a teenage daughter, so that also peaked my interest since I do have a child close in age to Natalee. So thats why for me, I cant speak for anyone else though.  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 04:02:01 PM
Quote
GuyWdog wrote:
Lots of ridiculous stuff going on this board. People dont just accuse others of rape, druggings, they convict them in a public forum. It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....



What is going on is 'speculation', it's what people (all of them no matter where they live) do when no one is saying what actually happened or is happening.   It is what a forum is for, discussing issues, speculation, theory and whatever!

But what I am really perplexed about is your statement ".... It's sad and you Americans WONDER why the rest of the WORLD Hates US... "   Now, is that US as in United States, or is it US as in all of us (you, too)?

As to other's hating or not hating US,  I think we have no power over what they think.  We are who we are and we shouldn't pretend to be anything else!


Title: Mr. v/d Sloot
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 04:02:08 PM
cjm thanks for the links

Paul van der Sloot (PvdS)
According to the article , PvdS has been living 17 years in Aruba and the last tree years he has been a substitute judge-in-training at the justice department. The department was not impressed with PvdS’ performance trough the years and had already decided internally that he would not be able to continue to function as a judge-in-training. PvdS wasn’t allowed to the conduct court (hearings) anymore and the department has been seeking other internal assignments for him until they found a fitting position for him in the department. De Telegraaf reports that the authorities have done some investigating and this has lead them to believe  that PvdS gave instructions to the 3 boys and told them what version of the story they have to give to the authorities and what they shouldn’t tell. This has also been reported by the respected Dutch news program, NOVA, on Satruday. You can view NOVA's report here (in Dutch)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 04:02:50 PM
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 04:03:31 PM
Dash, how was the fund raiser yesterday?My parents and family were around i think...Very crowded in MB lately...you doing ok today?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: "---"
Wow, just reading over some posts... it sure seems that people have forgotten the point of this forum: to support an innocent girl who has been horribly victimized... glad to see so many people are willing to stick up for her attackers...  :roll:


I think we all have to keep in mind that we don't really know exactly what happened, do we?   People are innocent until proven guilty, or so we the innocent would hope!   :wink:  :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: "---"
hey yall

YAY!  Dash is here!  Welcome  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Selena on June 26, 2005, 04:05:37 PM
Yesterday we were reading Mr VDS was not cooperating and today he has waived his right, this may be health related. Both he and his son have to be dangerously close to a meltdown, maybe heart related for him, high blood pressure. Joran must be in the pits of despair,..suicidal? I would think there is something to be told by the father.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Nicole on June 26, 2005, 04:05:37 PM
Did say I didn't care. It's just that this case is no different to me than any of the other missing kids in this world. Maybe a few of you need to take a break from this? Just a suggestion :x


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


Speculation. Both about the relationship between PVDS and the head of Aruban LE AND about who is conducting the interrogation.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?

Not only is that distastful, it is completely ignorant Anna.  You should know better.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Dash, how was the fund raiser yesterday?My parents and family were around i think...Very crowded in MB lately...you doing ok today?


I got confused and went to the church instead! Then I thought they must have cancelled it b/c of rain since no one was there, but really I was just at the wrong place! grrrr!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "golden"
Wonder what the specifics were that caused PVDS to be denied for judge?

I dunno but what I have found a little more interesting is that Joran led people to believe his dad WAS a judge. It also seems PVDS led people to believe it as well when as it turns out wasnt exactly true. Maybe there is something to it? I mean in their ability to stretch the truth. I dunno just speculating here.
   please HE WAS A JUDGE please


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
It's not that I'm not interested, I only asked a question. Why is this case so different from the other thousands of people (especially kids) who disappear every day? PS....As you can see from my previous posts, I don't come here that often.


Good question -

Personally I think it's because this case is very mysterious, and everyone loves a mystery. :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 04:06:49 PM
Dash,

I've been thinking about you alot lately!  I hoped some of these dreadful comments hadn't scared you off.  We've missed you and MOST of us think of you and your friends much of the time.

Do tell how you are?  Did you attend the fundraiser?  How are you holding up?

MOST of us are still in here fighting for truth!!!

I send you my best,

~Nancy
The one who gave you the name "DASH" LOL


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
In Belgium there was a  case of three guys taking a girl for a ride , hence they where all drunk, the girl slipped and broke her neck , they where so panicked strucked that they dumped her body in the canal . As they where all afraid of the law. I am trying to say here we have speculated in forms ascociating the suspects to violance related to Natalee . Something totally different might have happend aswell .

Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "bendex"
I fully agree , why every dissapearance has to be ascociated with terms as sex , drugs, kidnap, and gangbanging, some people over here have really perverse thoughts. Why not be that she dissapeard on her own or that she died an accidental death ?

Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Personal Observation here, please liten up. I have seen the character of this board slowly in the last day spiral into a constant conviction of these people that have been taken in for questioning. While i think it is alright to speculate, I constantky see people post stuff that says these guys did this or that. You obviousoy have convicted these guys already without ANY FACTS. Dont you all know this is a SLIPPERY SLOPE issue? I am personally sickened by some of the stuff I have seen posted on here. From talks of RAPE, to Gang Bangs, this is just RIDICULOUS Can you not discuss this without your constant barage of Lynch Mob Mentality?


GuyWdog--still waiting on these people that said SICK stuff about CROES, You know who you are, fess up and come clean !!!


i suppose bendex that because we have no real information but indications that the three main stuspects are lying that we tend to rule out the possibility that she disappeard or that death was accidental. if that were the case why would the stories not have converged by now?  that does not seem to be what's happening.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 04:07:56 PM
Who is Dash?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Did say I didn't care. It's just that this case is no different to me than any of the other missing kids in this world. Maybe a few of you need to take a break from this? Just a suggestion :x


About 10 thousand US nationals go missing abroad every month.

This case is different because of the unusual level of US government involvement. That is what made it stand out to me.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Nicole on June 26, 2005, 04:09:08 PM
Ummmmmm...not attacking. Please go re-read my posts.  Just wondering why this one case is any different from the thousands of others, especially underage kids who disappear. Where was the 24/7 coverage of those 3 little boys who disappeared from NJ last week? I didn't see much of that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


Speculation. Both about the relationship between PVDS and the head of Aruban LE AND about who is conducting the interrogation.


Yes, EVERYTHING here is speculation.  But I am just quoting what the man said in the MSM.  He is the one who asked "How can I do this to my best friend's son?"  so what conclusion could one draw from that?  I think the honorable thing would have been to recuse himself from the case if he was admitting publicly to having difficulty doing his job.  

So are you saying he is NOT the best friend and was lying about it?  A chief of LE who makes things up like that is not very comforting, either.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Who is Dash?

The person logged in as ---  We've nicknamed her Dash.  She is one of Natalee's friends.  And a board favorite.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "Nicole"
I don't want to start a conversation about Bin Laden. Just stating that that seems like a more important story than one missing person.


look, If you don't care about Nat, then leave... I'm sick of people saying she doesn't matter... if you knew her you'd know how ridiculous you're being.  Instead of saying that no one should care about her because there are other "similar cases" why don't you support the fact that because people do care and are willing to keep her case in the spotlight, it helps us to find her sooner?

When someone goes missing what keeps it in the media is the family and friends of the victim.  The family needs to make themselves available for press conferences and interviews which Natalee's family has done.

The missing kids in Idaho is a good example.  The family has given very few interviews thus it's completely dropped from the news.  The opposite was true for Jessica Lunsford....her father continued to press conferences even while he and his family were not ruled out as suspects.  

The family makes the difference, IMO.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Lots of ridiculous stuff going on this board. People dont just accuse others of rape, druggings, they convict them in a public forum. It's sad and you Americans WONDER whyt the REst of the WORLD Hates US....


GuyWdog


His actions have contributed to the possibility that Natalee will not get justice.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


And what if your wrong? What if Joran is not the guy, and Natalee is still alive somewhere? And all the police are doing is barking up the wrong tree? Valuable time is being lost with this IMO. :(


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Ummmmmm...not attacking. Please go re-read my posts.  Just wondering why this one case is any different from the thousands of others, especially underage kids who disappear. Where was the 24/7 coverage of those 3 little boys who disappeared from NJ last week? I didn't see much of that.


Hmm, I saw it.  That case has been solved.  That is why there is no longer much coverage.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 04:11:41 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Did say I didn't care. It's just that this case is no different to me than any of the other missing kids in this world. Maybe a few of you need to take a break from this? Just a suggestion :x


For the record, my husband was involved heavily with one of the Missing Children's organizations in my area. So for the record, I can assure you that it helps to keep a case in the limelight so the case is given enough interest. In the US, it's a bit easier to keep a case in the local spotlight. But this case is on foreign soil.....out of the hands of the US. Even the FBI are guests...not in charge. So it only makes sense that some of us want to know what happened to Natalee and see her found. The parents have done an excellent job of keeping this case alive and moving forward. Apparantly quite a few Americans are interested, or FOX would drop this case as it's main fare. Since they havent, I have to think there are quite a few people watching fox keep up to the latest on this case.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "Anna"

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?

Not only is that distastful, it is completely ignorant Anna.  You should know better.


Rogers:

I have to agree with Anna, it's rather doubtful we've got a case without a confession or a body.  It's reality, not distasteful.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 04:12:17 PM
Hey Dash - Great to see ya!  We missed you.  I hope you're doing okay.

Nicole - I'm not sure what you expect people to be discussing in a NATALEE HOLLOWAY FORUM


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Ummmmmm...not attacking. Please go re-read my posts.  Just wondering why this one case is any different from the thousands of others, especially underage kids who disappear. Where was the 24/7 coverage of those 3 little boys who disappeared from NJ last week? I didn't see much of that.


I don't know why people are interested in her case... I'm just glad they are.  Natalee is a wonderful person and we all just REALLY need her to come home as soon as possible.  If the media can help catalyze that process, then I hope it gets even more attention.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:12:55 PM
Nice story Anna ,

 First questionCould you give me the source where it states that  Joran is being iterrogated by daddies best friend.

 Second question ever been to jail ?

Third question could you sentence Joran guilty with the current facts availible.


Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Selena on June 26, 2005, 04:13:59 PM
Nicole
because very few people expect their children to NOT return home from a planned vacation where their community schoolchildren go on yearly trips and funnel money into the economy this has posed a problem for those who suported those kind of excursions and have raised questions about the liability of the host country when they decide to do so. I imagine the community of MB will not plan to send any schoolchildren out of the states for a very long time. If nothing else it opens a discussion about what to expect when you visit another country and how to handle emergencies of this nature. People do go missing everyday from all over the globe, most do not plan to disappear. When they do it becomes a focus for wnyone who cares to concern themselves with this issue. Working on a local level with safety and schoolchildren this has drawn my interest and concern.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Is it possible that Steve was guilty of something. But Is being released because he has time served that covers the offense.


Is it possible that he has agreed to testify in exchange for release, since he didn't do anything but perhaps knows something -- does Dutch law have anything along those lines, I wonder.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote
We discussed this very thing this morning.  Under the circumstances of what I'm seeing in this thread over the last several pages, unless some folks want to start moderating their tone IMMEDIATELY, it may be a long time in coming.


I have NO idea what you're talking about.  Can you explain your definition of "tone".  Again, I respect a forum admin's job, it's not easy.  But, some of your explanations are downright confusing.

Nancy, with all due respect, I think it's quite clear that bringing up Razzy again and again, does nothing to further her case.

It's very easy to talk about moderator actions when we don't have the complete picture...so it's best not to discuss it in this thread...it's pretty off-topic to the discussion. There's already the Q&A thread when you can disclose your view, and then there's also PM.

Just wanted to clarify...and now I'm going to crawl into a little corner until people calm down and stop posting with emotionally instead of rationally.


Hopefully Razzle is still asleep.  And we need to respect Dash.  She has brought a lot to this board.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rogers on June 26, 2005, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "Anna"

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?

Not only is that distastful, it is completely ignorant Anna.  You should know better.


Rogers:

I have to agree with Anna, it's rather doubtful we've got a case without a confession or a body.  It's reality, not distasteful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that when Anna wrote that it "applies both ways too" it was a threat to get Joran and make his body disappear.

That is what I found to be distastful.[/i]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Getagrip, I did not make the statement you've highlighted in bold above, please make that correction.

You responded before I had a chance to edit it. Problem is, that you're not quoting messages properly, so when someone quotes you in reply, it messes up.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 04:17:03 PM
(http://birminghamscene.com/graphics/images/mbhs_yellow_ribbon1.jpg)


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "absolut"
Is it possible that Steve was guilty of something. But Is being released because he has time served that covers the offense.


Is it possible that he has agreed to testify in exchange for release, since he didn't do anything but perhaps knows something -- does Dutch law have anything along those lines, I wonder.

This is Not the Case..No plea bargain in Aruba.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "Getagrip"
There's some interesting reporting on Hasibokos today:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005

Dutch sources - I believe they would be impartial, and probably closer to the truth than any other MSM.



Thay's Explosive!


I think there is a confession even if it is of sorts after reading this article, and considering the weekend of leaks when we learned "something bad happened" and there was a "confession" reported. Like I said, LE probably has what it needs from at least one of the bros kalpoe if not both.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 04:19:01 PM
I'm not sure Paulus VDS waiving his right not to testify against his son means much.  Obviously, using that right would make both his son and himself look more guilty.  It would be a lot simpler for him to just lie.  

Of course, there's the possibility that he really doesn't know anything.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 26, 2005, 04:19:14 PM
Does anyone know when this testimony of Papa VDS is supposed to happen?  Maybe I missed it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Nicole on June 26, 2005, 04:19:27 PM
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:20:01 PM
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


And what if your wrong? What if Joran is not the guy, and Natalee is still alive somewhere? And all the police are doing is barking up the wrong tree? Valuable time is being lost with this IMO. :(


Where do I say Joren is the guy??  I did NOT so please do not put words in my mouth.   :!: It is not I who has wasted the time while she might have been alive but this very same man who stated he had problems doing his job and detaining Joren.  I don't know who did it but I do not think this is any way to find out, either.  I just hope and pray they have made lots of progress of which we are totally unaware.  It would have been nice, however, to have someone in charge who did not describe himself in this manner, don't you agree?  Or is it just A-OK with your for his to state that he is the best friend of the father right after the release the three prime suspects for ten days?  You DON'T see anything troubling about that?

But Joren was the last one seen with her and he does have the comments about "roofies" on some of those websites and he did lie, admittedly.  Just basing my comments on that for neither one of us knows for a fact what happened.  You don't know that he is NOT the guy, either.  He could well be and if so, still time was wasted while she just might have still been alive.  Example, thrown in mine shaft bound but not yet dead, buried alive, etc.  

Whether Joren did it or not, this is not a good thing to have happened.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: "ExTexinAZ"
Does anyone know when this testimony of Papa VDS is supposed to happen?  Maybe I missed it.


Basically they said that it doesn't really mean "testify" because they are not under oath or in a trial.  He has just agreed to answer questions regarding his son.  That's what I heard a few minutes ago, anyway.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 04:20:23 PM
Latest from Rheil World View (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/):
"Aruba Breaking

4:00 PM Update: It is being supposed that the elder v d Sloot has nothing to hide, hence the earlier waiver. Potentially, if investigators believe he has given them whatever truth he knows, he could be released tonight, barring enough evidence to hold him as a suspect in the case. That does not mean that he will necessarily incriminate Joran in some way by stating what he knows.

3:45 Update: Geraldo's amazing report: Steve Croes voluntarily went to the police and said he saw the boys drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn - a story from which the boys later backed away. Subsequently, Croes was detained because he apparently showed himself to be willing to lie in support of his friends in this matter. Interesting look at the Dutch justice system: no sign of a recent haircut for Geraldo."


From what I understand, the decision whether PVDS will be released or detained for another 8 days is tonight at 8 pm.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 04:20:25 PM
Thanks for explaining who Dash was.  Duh...  ---  Should have caught on to that!

Dash, I'm sorry you about your friend. I hope they find her alive and well.  

I am ALSO glad this is getting the publicity it is getting, if it was my daughter that was missing I would be all over the media as well. So Beth Twitty is doing a good job in trying to find her daughter.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Getagrip, I did not make the statement you've highlighted in bold above, please make that correction.

You responded before I had a chance to edit it. Problem is, that you're not quoting messages properly, so when someone quotes you in reply, it messes up.


Sorry! LOL I do have a problem with using the quote button.  I'll work on that!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Rosalie on June 26, 2005, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


What has he and his son been made out to be.
Psychopathic Sexual deviants.??
Gee I wonder if Paulus will ever work again. I can see them on a street corner somewhere in the Netherlands with tin cups in hand.
Freedom of speech-- the right to spew false accusations and ruin lives.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "absolut"
Is it possible that Steve was guilty of something. But Is being released because he has time served that covers the offense.


Is it possible that he has agreed to testify in exchange for release, since he didn't do anything but perhaps knows something -- does Dutch law have anything along those lines, I wonder.

This is Not the Case..No plea bargain in Aruba.


Thanks, and I meant no disrespect to your friend.  Am just curious if they will call him as a witness. Here we call people as witnesses but never detain them, so I'm wondering now if he can still be called in to testify should this go to trial.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: grits on June 26, 2005, 04:21:19 PM
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Selena on June 26, 2005, 04:21:57 PM
Cancun is not what I would characterize as a safe vacation for an unchaperoned high school student, recently graduated or not.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://birminghamscene.com/graphics/images/mbhs_yellow_ribbon1.jpg)


GuyWdog


Thank you for that picture..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "absolut"
Is it possible that Steve was guilty of something. But Is being released because he has time served that covers the offense.


Is it possible that he has agreed to testify in exchange for release, since he didn't do anything but perhaps knows something -- does Dutch law have anything along those lines, I wonder.


In the Fox report today his lawyer said that he was arrested because he received an email from Deepak the night of Natalee's disappearance. Considering how little (or no) evidence they have on Joran and the Kalpoes. (and theyre still being held) I doubt they had anything at all on Croes. :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: "Rosalie"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


What has he and his son been made out to be.
Psychopathic Sexual deviants.??
Gee I wonder if Paulus will ever work again. I can see them on a street corner somewhere in the Netherlands with tin cups in hand.
Freedom of speech-- the right to spew false accusations and ruin lives.


But you won't see Joran there til he is 37.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Selena on June 26, 2005, 04:24:13 PM
My daughter will be 21 in July. She and her brothers have had the benefit of family vacations for the last 20 years. No one got lost, no one got drunk and no one complained.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:25:11 PM
That is the best  Theorie I have heard in a long time I am going to explore this one at the full.

Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:25:40 PM
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


You need to really think about what you say before you post.

And Razzy just comes in here to start drama.  
With all due respect Nancy.


Shell,

I am fond of you and your posts, but I think you're wrong.  Razzy was trained and knows how investigators think.  I continue to support that kind of contribution to our forum.  Whether it's Razzy or someone else.  Why ban?  Let us stand up for our own words.  When I first met Razzy I let her have it...but, then realized it was better to pick her brain and learn from her.  That's what I did.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


Interesting question...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 04:27:34 PM
Okay, what did Paulus VDS' attorney just say????????  :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


Your parents love you. Thank them for that.....!

You are Blessed to have such Loving Parents.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Dallas Also on June 26, 2005, 04:29:35 PM
Dash, Arubagirl is driving around the island and taking some digital pictures for us.  If that works out ok, she is going to post them on a separate thread that the Moderators have set up for that purpose.

We also have a second poster here that had an Aruba vacation planned several weeks ago.  He's now on the island and may also provide some pics.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:29:40 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


What has he and his son been made out to be.
Psychopathic Sexual deviants.??
Gee I wonder if Paulus will ever work again. I can see them on a street corner somewhere in the Netherlands with tin cups in hand.
Freedom of speech-- the right to spew false accusations and ruin lives.


But you won't see Joran there til he is 37.


OR dad has realized his son may have done a very grown up crime and needs to own up to it! Maybe dad realizes it is time to stop babying joran, and save some semblance of a life for his other children


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 04:29:42 PM
(http://birminghamscene.com/graphics/images/natalees_yellow_ribbon1.jpg)

 This is Natalee's Yellow Ribbon on her Mail Box( I have blurred it a bit for safetys sake) but dont you all want her to come home and see this Ribbon on HER MailBOX ?


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case
 

wait a minute here,  is Tom "jar"?  and tom has twins too?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:30:42 PM
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://birminghamscene.com/graphics/images/natalees_yellow_ribbon1.jpg)

 This is Natalee's Yellow Ribbon on her Mail Box( I have blurred it a bit for safetys sake) but dont you all want her to come home and see this Ribbon on HER MailBOX ?


GuyWdog



A*B*S*O*L*U*T*E*L*Y!!!!!!!!!!! :!:  :!:  :!:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: newshound on June 26, 2005, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Who is Dash?
Dash is an attractive articulate young woman who recently graduated from Mountain Brook and went on a class trip in celebration thereof to Aruba.

I saw her on BOR explain that she got to know Natalee quite well when Natalee tutored Dash in calculus. I think I heard on teevee that honor student Natalee Holloway was president of the Math Club, just one of many extracuricular school activities.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Dash, Arubagirl is driving around the island and taking some digital pictures for us.  If that works out ok, she is going to post them on a separate thread that the Moderators have set up for that purpose.

We also have a second poster here that had an Aruba vacation planned several weeks ago.  He's now on the island and may also provide some pics.


Thank you so much for letting me know that! That's AWESOME!  Arubagirl is really something... I'm so glad she's on here!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.



we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ian on June 26, 2005, 04:32:36 PM
Video of FOX News Alert:

Van der Sloot MAY testify against his son:

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1794/


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:33:32 PM
I like this story very much Iquitos , reminds me of the strange murder of the son of Carlos Memem for not fullfilling his contract on a arms deal.

Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case
 

wait a minute here,  is Tom "jar"?  and tom has twins too?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.


I think they have more too.

Interesting.....

Quote
Satish now claims that he and brother dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off together at the Marriott hotel, then went home, his lawyer, David Kock, said.

On Sunday, Kock said the brothers were becoming increasingly angry with van der Sloot and accusing him of changing his story to put the blame for Holloway's disappearance on them.

Kock would not elaborate.


http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-14/111980692236520.xml&storylist=alabamanews


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
That is the best  Theorie I have heard in a long time I am going to explore this one at the full.

Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Yeah, but it's been 4 weeks and no ransom demand. Don't you think we would have heard from them by now?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ian on June 26, 2005, 04:36:02 PM
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: harleymom on June 26, 2005, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


My guess is some will be called if needed to officially on the record place Jorin and Natalee together at C&C.  They may also be called to testify the encounters they had with the lad through the week.  With J's story changing they will help narrow it down I think.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:36:56 PM
NICOLE HAS BEEN BANNED, this was not actually done for the post on here, while inflammatory it was her reaction when asked to stop.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:37:12 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "bendex"
That is the best  Theorie I have heard in a long time I am going to explore this one at the full.

Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Yeah, but it's been 4 weeks and no ransom demand. Don't you think we would have heard from them by now?



I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 04:37:20 PM
Well we will have something else to speculate on in a few hours. If Fox is correct, the court must decide by 8 PM tonight whether to continue to hold Mr. VDS or release him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:37:29 PM
Very good observation Anna we only know rumours , the only fact is that we know that he lied about dropping of natalee at the holiday inn . Then you agree that this the only suspicious act we have against joran van der sloot is the above mentioned ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.



we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: topwesselton on June 26, 2005, 04:37:52 PM
I guess what I am learning from the Croes thing is don't ever lie to the police. I hope he doesn't lose his job on the party boat. He made a mistake, we all make mistakes.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "Nicole"
I don't want to start a conversation about Bin Laden. Just stating that that seems like a more important story than one missing person.

look, If you don't care about Nat, then leave... I'm sick of people saying she doesn't matter... if you knew her you'd know how ridiculous you're being.  Instead of saying that no one should care about her because there are other "similar cases" why don't you support the fact that because people do care and are willing to keep her case in the spotlight, it helps us to find her sooner?

When someone goes missing what keeps it in the media is the family and friends of the victim.  The family needs to make themselves available for press conferences and interviews which Natalee's family has done.
The missing kids in Idaho is a good example.  The family has given very few interviews thus it's completely dropped from the news.  The opposite was true for Jessica Lunsford....her father continued to press conferences even while he and his family were not ruled out as suspects.  
The family makes the difference, IMO.

Thank you for your inut, KLAASEND.  I agree with you. :)   I also don't understand why someone comes to a forum titled, "Natalee Holloway" and starts asking members why we care.  It doesn't matter WHY.  The fact is, we DO CARE.  People who DON'T CARE are welcome to go to another thread on a different topic.  :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: "harleymom"
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


My guess is some will be called if needed to officially on the record place Jorin and Natalee together at C&C.  They may also be called to testify the encounters they had with the lad through the week.  With J's story changing they will help narrow it down I think.


If thats the case,, and they are questioned.. where would that take place?? In Alabama or would thse poor MB high school kids have to go back to Aruba??


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inthepacific on June 26, 2005, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case
 

wait a minute here,  is Tom "jar"?  and tom has twins too?


Boy! I sure would like to understand what all of this is...can someone break this down in lamen terms for me?  :oops:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 04:39:13 PM
If it's true Croes lied to cover for the others...If we believe the brother's lawyer, it seems their level of involvement would be about the same....one big addition is they drove the car that took Natalee from the bar. But, why are they being detained for a longer time?  Kidnapping?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/



Anyone who claims that they know of Nat being dropped off at the htel is lying... that is why he is being held.  We all know that she was never dropped off.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:39:45 PM
What people you know ?

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "bendex"
That is the best  Theorie I have heard in a long time I am going to explore this one at the full.

Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Yeah, but it's been 4 weeks and no ransom demand. Don't you think we would have heard from them by now?



I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: tkubi7 on June 26, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/

I thought I heard that Croes did not even know JVDS. And why would he try to vindicate someone he didn't know? Also, If he really did see the boys drop natalee of at HI< aren't we back to square one then?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RichinTx on June 26, 2005, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


Doesn't look like you'll be going to the Florida coast either.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 04:40:56 PM
Quote
Hopefully Razzle is still asleep. And we need to respect Dash. She has brought a lot to this board.


I think the point here is, we need to respect EVERYONE.   No one person deserves respect MORE than any other.  We ALL deserve respect.

Posts here should NOT attack anyone, even if you don't like what they have to say.  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobntexas on June 26, 2005, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


Cancun is one heck of a lot more dangerous than Aruba.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.



we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.


According to Satish's lawyer they don't have anything. And he would know because theyre required to show what evidence they have to the defense attorney. And hey, where did you get that picture of my girlfriend? :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 26, 2005, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Now that Fox NEws has said that Paulus VD Sllot has WAIVED his right to NOT Testify against his son that pretty much shoots down everyone's Theories about his involvments. It is looking like they have lots of INNOCENT People locked up....

GuyWdog


Finally, someone with some brains! :D  :D  :D


What has he and his son been made out to be.
Psychopathic Sexual deviants.??
Gee I wonder if Paulus will ever work again. I can see them on a street corner somewhere in the Netherlands with tin cups in hand.
Freedom of speech-- the right to spew false accusations and ruin lives.


But you won't see Joran there til he is 37.


OR dad has realized his son may have done a very grown up crime and needs to own up to it! Maybe dad realizes it is time to stop babying joran, and save some semblance of a life for his other children


paulus knows better than most how best to play his cards right now...
whatever he is doing is likely in his own best interest right now
and doesn't make either of them innocent...IMAO. if there weren't a great deal of suspicion they wouldn't be in jail..... oh, yeah and thanx to msm!!!
without the media the gaurds would still be trying to prove their innocence.
It is possible that Croes also upheld the lie about the gaurds as the last to see NH?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: topwesselton on June 26, 2005, 04:41:41 PM
I know you all have been over this before but I keep forgetting my password and now that I am actually logged in I will post something that has been on my mind for awhile. Joran tells his mother about sneaking out "Oh Mommy if you had been here I never would have done that". Way to try and make her feel guilty Joran.  I really do think that he is a master manipulator.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "harleymom"
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


My guess is some will be called if needed to officially on the record place Jorin and Natalee together at C&C.  They may also be called to testify the encounters they had with the lad through the week.  With J's story changing they will help narrow it down I think.


If thats the case,, and they are questioned.. where would that take place?? In Alabama or would thse poor MB high school kids have to go back to Aruba??



I dont think we have to testify... we already told the FBI everything and if they need any of us to varify facts they can check FBI records


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 04:42:05 PM
I cant believe they held him for this long just for an email.  That makes me wonder how much evidence they in fact do have on the others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sb on June 26, 2005, 04:42:05 PM
Dash, wherever you are, WAY TO GO! You couldn't have answered "Nicole" any better!

THIS IS ALL ABOUT NATALEE


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 04:42:11 PM
People GERALDO is saying this stuff about CROES,,,Just REMEMBER the SOURCE...

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: alpha_fruit on June 26, 2005, 04:42:19 PM
removed by author and moved to the nicole board.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: littletxlady on June 26, 2005, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "bendex"
That is the best  Theorie I have heard in a long time I am going to explore this one at the full.

Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


Yeah, but it's been 4 weeks and no ransom demand. Don't you think we would have heard from them by now?



I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.


Besides that......his twins were on the trip.....and they came home safe!!!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KKM on June 26, 2005, 04:42:46 PM
[/quote]I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.[/quote]Ditto.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?



The whole family


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "harleymom"
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


My guess is some will be called if needed to officially on the record place Jorin and Natalee together at C&C.  They may also be called to testify the encounters they had with the lad through the week.  With J's story changing they will help narrow it down I think.


If thats the case,, and they are questioned.. where would that take place?? In Alabama or would thse poor MB high school kids have to go back to Aruba??


I may be mistaken, but I think that a lot of evidence presented under the judicial system ( I don't know if I am using the correct terms) as oppossed to the jury system is first presented in briefs for judicial review. If the judge(s) require additional information, witness can be asked to appear. The students may be able to just make depostitions


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/

I thought I heard that Croes did not even know JVDS. And why would he try to vindicate someone he didn't know? Also, If he really did see the boys drop natalee of at HI< aren't we back to square one then?


He didn't.  He knew one of the brothers.  He didn't see Natalee getting dropped off at HI.  He was covering up for the brothers.  When the stories changed, that's when he was arrested.

Oh and this is according to Geraldo.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: luna on June 26, 2005, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 04:44:03 PM
I would think the MB Kids are takaing the right stance in Keeping quite. Anything they say, can and WILL Be USED against them.


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: "KKM"
I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.[/quote]Ditto.[/quote]

http://www.vcresearch.info/open/forums.asp?TopicId=4576&ForumId=70

This is a quoting of the facts of the Laundering. Many portions of this THEORY are true.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/

I thought I heard that Croes did not even know JVDS. And why would he try to vindicate someone he didn't know? Also, If he really did see the boys drop natalee of at HI< aren't we back to square one then?


They arrest people for nothing. I'm telling you all the police have nothing in this case... :?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:44:49 PM
AAAh now I understand because you know them they can impossible be involved in this.
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?



The whole family


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "harleymom"
Quote from: "absolut"
Will any of the MB students be called as witnesses in the trial?


My guess is some will be called if needed to officially on the record place Jorin and Natalee together at C&C.  They may also be called to testify the encounters they had with the lad through the week.  With J's story changing they will help narrow it down I think.


If thats the case,, and they are questioned.. where would that take place?? In Alabama or would thse poor MB high school kids have to go back to Aruba??



I dont think we have to testify... we already told the FBI everything and if they need any of us to varify facts they can check FBI records


Thank you!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.

Ian.. You  still have the Vidio's  From MSM..on your  site of the Reported"Confessions"and "death" ..I Saw there last week??.
They were  Something.Later we found they  were False.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?



The whole family


Knowing the whole family is not the same as knowing everyone who might have reason to want to harm that family.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 04:45:49 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Yeah, well I don't do dumb things. Even though I'm 17 I don't drink or get into cars with strangers. I should be allowed to go.


Many of us here do not believe for one moment Natalee realized she was getting into a car with strangers.  She could very well have thought it was a taxi just like all the others that pulled up to the curb or could have already been feeling the effects of something like the roofies mentioned on some of the websites featuring Joren.  Someone other than Joren could have put something in her drink as bartenders have been known to do such and even on cruise ships where they cannot get away easily.  Just how would you prevent something like that from happening considering we are dealing with odorless, tasteless, colorless drugs and such as that these days?  I really want to know for my own protection for I have no idea.

I'd say coming in here and trying to alter the subject of the entire blog is not exactly smart.  Some might say THAT is a dumb thing that you state you do NOT do.  That would certainly give me pause if I were your mom.  And while I do not mean to offend you, I seriously doubt that you are smarter than a 4.15 on a 4.0 GPA scale.  This was no dumby, either.  

Be glad your parents love you enough to be cautious.  Its better to have an angry, live daughter than a missing one.  They would be a wreck the whole time you were gone.  I'd be thinking about really good, cool alternatives, something they WILL allow you to do that you will really enjoy.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth which is probaby nothing to you right now but maybe you can try to make something good of it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???



That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 04:47:21 PM
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:47:40 PM
Mind you that abduction needs very good planning, like what who to kidnap when you have to study the daily habits of persons etc. it is not that easy. However murder is much easier ......................

Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
AAAh now I understand because you know them they can impossible be involved in this.
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?



The whole family



{{edit: attacking the posters is not allowed! Catriana}}


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
People GERALDO is saying this stuff about CROES,,,Just REMEMBER the SOURCE...

GuyWdog


Yeah, we know about Geraldo...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Very good observation Anna we only know rumours , the only fact is that we know that he lied about dropping of natalee at the holiday inn . Then you agree that this the only suspicious act we have against joran van der sloot is the above mentioned ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.


we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.


lol   I am not "Anna" but I do agree the only FACT we know is that these 3 males were the last known people to have been seen with Natalee.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: tkubi7 on June 26, 2005, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


Exactly. Croes lied about something one way or another yet they let him go. I'm so confused.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 04:49:53 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 04:50:05 PM
Quote
GoonSquand--wrote-"<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning…. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


Just Remember the Source of this HERESAY------GERALDO----- it has yet to be confirmed, and Geraldo has made MANY Mistakes and has actually had to RETRACT some of his statements..


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/

I thought I heard that Croes did not even know JVDS. And why would he try to vindicate someone he didn't know? Also, If he really did see the boys drop natalee of at HI< aren't we back to square one then?


He didn't.  He knew one of the brothers.  He didn't see Natalee getting dropped off at HI.  He was covering up for the brothers.  When the stories changed, that's when he was arrested.

Oh and this is according to Geraldo.


Wrong. Croes got an email from Deepak - that's why he was arrested. :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 04:50:25 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"

what was that movie where some guys took a road trip looking for a magical pot garden, after many funny things they find it being "guarded" by Rip Torn........the guys decided to make T-shirts for money with a map of the farm, and US agents came, confiscated the shirts and paid these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars, because the government wanted to keep the pot for themselves...........I can't remember the name, but it is a good one. Seems like it has Kansas in the name



Rolling Kansas


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 04:50:30 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.

Ian.. You  still have the Vidio's  From MSM..on your  site of the Reported"Confessions"and "death" ..I Saw there last week??.
They were  Something.Later we found they  were False.


While Steve may be innocent of any crime against Natalee, he was not honest from the beginning.  He lied in corroborating the three amigos' original story, which likely helped push the investigation in the wrong direction.  While I think it's crazy he was held on suspicion of being involved in kidnapping and murder (if it's true that was his only involvement), he certainly deserves jail time by giving the false statement to police.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: cjm on June 26, 2005, 04:50:31 PM
Some pictures from todays hearing and the search for Natalee.

Steve looks happy, so do the police with him.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/ts/060305alateenaruba/im:/050626/481/aru10406262002;_ylt=AhOYMvGXWi41mz06ljF27gvlWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--?sp=-1&lsp=6000


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 04:50:39 PM
Editorial note:

If a topic is "pruned" Like this one will be for the Nicole conversation. The post usually end up in the admin forum and are not actually deleted as stated by some posters. You are not being censored but as has been stated we are attempting to keep the busiest threads on topic for archiving abilites for future posters to look back on.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 26, 2005, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


good point!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: boxopen on June 26, 2005, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
They arrest people for nothing. I'm telling you all the police have nothing in this case... :?
And unfortunely, I thought the resources are, probably unintentionaly, diverted to the wrong side... since the very beginning! :?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


Exactly. Croes lied about something one way or another yet they let him go. I'm so confused.



exactly, I was just reading this post, how wouold Croes know the "party line" in order to relate it to LE unless he had been told one way or another pretty soon after the fact. So he could not have been honest from the beginning..........unless he fessed up the day he was arrested, which was the day after he voluntarily decided to lie to LE


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 04:51:56 PM
My heart goes out to the NH family and friends.. DASH.. from what I have read on here.. I give you credit for being here at all.. I dont know if I could do this if it were my friend that were missing.. being questioned.. and reading things that "possibly" may have happened..  THAT has to be hard.. we all are praying for a safe return for your friend.
I saw your tv interview.. more then once.. I think you are a very intelligent gal...  God Bless you!  and HUGS to you as well..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.

 :cry:  Wahhh
My goodness.  In my opinion, that was an awfully obtuse and selfish comment.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 04:52:39 PM
I would like to refer to the case when the son of the argentinian President Menem was murderd by syrian agents after menem not fulfilled his part of a armsdeal. I would like to comment that powerfull people have lots of means at their disposal and money turns friends into enemies and enemies into friends.

Quote from: "bendex"
Mind you that abduction needs very good planning, like what who to kidnap when you have to study the daily habits of persons etc. it is not that easy. However murder is much easier ......................

Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 04:53:44 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
AAAh now I understand because you know them they can impossible be involved in this.
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
What people you know ?



The whole family



{{edit: attacking the posters is NOT allowed.  Catriana}}
Quote

::claps hands::

You tell him Dash!  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "Ian"
Oops meant to post this in my earlier post too:



Steve Croes Had Nothing to Do with Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (VIDEO)

We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning and that he got tangled into this case because he exchanged emails with one of the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing. The email most likely had nothing to do with Holloway and was just a friendly chat. Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel. However the police later took him into custody for questioning, because Joran changes his story turning on Croes.


http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/1795/

I thought I heard that Croes did not even know JVDS. And why would he try to vindicate someone he didn't know? Also, If he really did see the boys drop natalee of at HI< aren't we back to square one then?


He didn't.  He knew one of the brothers.  He didn't see Natalee getting dropped off at HI.  He was covering up for the brothers.  When the stories changed, that's when he was arrested.

Oh and this is according to Geraldo.


Wrong. Croes got an email from Deepak - that's why he was arrested. :shock:


Sorry if I'm wrong.  May I point out that my source was geraldo? :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO

True, he lied to protect Deepak (and possibly Satish). The fact remains that he lied, since the brothers' story is now different from the original, and the statement that he is 'honest' is in fact contradictory to his actions (ie. lying to the authorities).

I am, however, willing to give him (Steve), the benefit of the doubt, and that he didnt' know what he'd be getting himself into.

Can't wait until Greta interviews him  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GulfCoastGirl on June 26, 2005, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??




or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: "cjm"
Some pictures from todays hearing and the search for Natalee.

Steve looks happy, so do the police with him.

Ugh! Can you shorten that link?

It's messing up the whole page.  :?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
And which are they ?

Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "bendex"
Do you all agree that the supposed lie of Joran , Deepak and Satish made  about dropping natalee of at the holliday in is the only suspicious thing there is against them ?


NO! I honestly think LE has much more.



we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.


According to Satish's lawyer they don't have anything. And he would know because theyre required to show what evidence they have to the defense attorney. And hey, where did you get that picture of my girlfriend? :lol:



 :lol:  :lol: do we have a relationship I don't remember? You should have seen me in my younger days!  A picture of your GF, I needed that laugh inspector! Thanks.
But, indeed, Sateesh did lie, and apparently lied for at least a few days. I think Sateesh may be the least guilty party besided SC. I never could figure out how SC played into it, no matter hpw I tried. I would not expect Sateesh's or any of them attorneys to say anything different. Especially if I had paid my attorney fees.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 04:55:52 PM
hey gang ... was just catching up reading here ... taking a break and a breath is a good idea! there's a momentum that gets going at times when lots in happening and all that leads to some pretty nasty ways of talking to each other - and the great thing about this board is that mostly we show a lot of respect for each other even when we disagree.

/mom-mode

I really just want to send a big Bravo! to GuyWdog for posting those pics - Guy's been pretty critical of lots of the theories and very right about the apologies owed to Mr. Croes ... and yet he remembers that this is a sad story and that Natalee is till missing.  

I thought that was an awesome sign of the best of this board. Wow!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Yeah, well I don't do dumb things. Even though I'm 17 I don't drink or get into cars with strangers. I should be allowed to go.


The silver lining to this case is that others have learned of the dangers that lie in wait for their children, and not just on island nations.




NICOLE, Listen hon, this is something you need to take up with your parents.As a parent, I would not let my daughter go in light of what has happened these past few weeks..They are trying to do what is best for you..trust them and know that you DO NOT know everything at 17...
Natalee, from all accounts, was intelligent, God fearing, respectable, and kind.She did not deserve what has happened to her, whatever that may be..and she does not deserve her character attacked while she is not in a position to defend herself.We do not know if there were "mistakes" made on her part, though probably 99% of us can say we dont think she made any, and was just simply a victim.The thing you need to understand is, it matters not if you are responsible yourself, or not..what your parents are trying to express to you is their fear of not wanting to lose you, as natalee's mom has lost her..in whatever sense of the word that may be...


Title: old info about Croes
Post by: melbel on June 26, 2005, 04:56:23 PM
Just want to rant about Geraldo's breathless "just this hour learned" the reason Steve Croes had been held.  This info was in public for many days.  Even Dan at Riehl's seemed not to have known about it.  I think you good monkeys have discussed it here in past days.

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LAWRENCE: Well, Tony, we have been telling you about that fourth suspect, a deejay who worked on a local party boat named Steve Croes. Well, law enforcement sources close to the investigation now tell CNN that Croes came under suspicion because he told police that he saw the other three men drop off Natalee Holloway right here at this hotel on the night she disappeared three weeks ago. But the more police investigated and questioned those other three men, they found holes in that story, and that's why they arrested Croes last Friday -- Tony.


This was from a CNN live show last June 21.  Here's link.  About halfway down page.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument
&orgId=574&topicId=100007219&docId=l:289874869&start=8

Edit:  Sorry had to break up link to keep from messing up margins.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kshe78 on June 26, 2005, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: "kandeyingeorgia"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


And NOW we know the rest of the story.  That is, why you are so angry - because your trip has been canned.   How selfish of you.


But if this case had vanished in the press weeks ago, Nicole would probably be happy on her way to Cancun.  That explains it all.  I, for one, am happy that it continues to get 'round the clock attention.  Without it, the search for Natalee would end by everyone but her poor family.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Very good observation Anna we only know rumours , the only fact is that we know that he lied about dropping of natalee at the holiday inn . Then you agree that this the only suspicious act we have against joran van der sloot is the above mentioned ?


we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.
[/quote]<<


Nah, remember they had that whole yarn about her wanting to go to the lighthouse and all that other blather.  Plus literally seconds before she got into the car, she told her friend she was going back to the HI with the second group of students.  That just does not make sense for her to have said this, next thing we know she and Joren are gone.  He was the last person to be with her that we know of and now she is missing and he lied about it.  The lie without the rest would not be so significant if not made about a missing person.  

His demeanor in pouonding on his chest at the mother is not exactly rational, either.  I'd call it VERY suspicous as I have never known a seventeen year old to do such a thing in my life.  And people wonder why Jug is annoyed!  Whew!  I wouldn't have done that if I have been Joren and do not know how Jug held his temper under the circumstances.  Has known and established anger problems, lots of red flags, not just one simple lie.  Sort of a pattern of very suspicous behavior.

But we are all speculating as it is all we can do.  

I had hopes the search team would just find everything first thing but that is not likely to happen.  They said 7-10 days.  By them we will all have eyestrain.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Quote from: "cjm"
Some pictures from todays hearing and the search for Natalee.

Steve looks happy, so do the police with him.

Ugh! Can you shorten that link?

It's messing up the whole page.  :?


I thought it was just the admins acknowledging that people with 6000 pixel resolution need love too.


Title: Steve
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 04:57:34 PM
I'm sure glad old steve has been released after all he has been thorugh for going in to help his little friends by saying he saw them at the HI.  I wonder if he really dd or they set him up.  So we owe apologies to him and the other Steve Croes at the Aruban Red Cross whose picture nobody could ever get up off the google archive who had posted on Amazon regarding an EMT book.   That old posting of his spawned a lot of theories as you all can imagine or remember.  some of our members knew old steve and were incredulous when they heard he was arrested.  his ex defended him saying he is so gentle he would cry if he stepped on a lizard.  Did we not also try to prove a skinny version of steve was the panty guy and was in gangsta pictures with joran?  We never could decide.  we had him taking tatoo out to dump the body, supplying the knock out drops,  hiding natalee in the reefer on the tatoo, even shiping her off the island in a box!  What fertile Monkey imaginations!  Now it turns out Steve is innocent.  One down and four to go.  I think things are looking worse for Joran although I wonder if they have much of a case without a body and the big mystery is what  happened to it, if Natalee is indeed gone.  where could she be?  a true mystery.   here is another oddity of the dutch system.  they can find a man innocent and it takes them another day to let him out of jail.  i imagine this is a remnant from the days of documents being prepared with quill pens and messenger walked the signed and sealed documents from the court to the police and so on down the chain to the jail.  He should have been released on the spot.  He already learned his lesson:  Don't voluntarily lie for your friends un less you are first briefed on the real deal  What was the real deal anyway?  if he knew he probably had to tell that too.        :oops:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.


Exactly. Croes lied about something one way or another yet they let him go. I'm so confused.



exactly, I was just reading this post, how wouold Croes know the "party line" in order to relate it to LE unless he had been told one way or another pretty soon after the fact. So he could not have been honest from the beginning..........unless he fessed up the day he was arrested, which was the day after he voluntarily decided to lie to LE

The HI Story  fell a part WEEKS ago. Steve just Arrested late Last Week!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 04:57:46 PM
FYI, use www.tinyurl.com to make links smaller.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: luna on June 26, 2005, 04:57:57 PM
[quote
Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???[/quote]


That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it[/quote]

Sorry dash...someone posted here yesterday they saw Beth on TV in her/Nat's room and they saw the door with sand....so it was posted that you could get to the room from the beach.

Not true?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Curiosity on June 26, 2005, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??




or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


Just did a search on White Pages....there are 11 Dave Holloways in MS listed.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 04:58:43 PM
<<And unfortunely, I thought the resources are, probably unintentionaly, diverted to the wrong side... since the very beginning!>>


What has been the right side, since the very beginning, in this case?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:01:09 PM
it could also be why they say " he will be released tomorrow" for the media, so he can go without being hunted... :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:01:55 PM
Wow! This is from Dan's Riehl World View,  4:30 Update today. Talk about dedication.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/430_update_on_a.html

"Additional reports suggest the search team does not plan to leave until they either find what they are looking for, or conclude that it cannot be accomplished given the technology and resources. There are sites available to contribute funds to the EquuSearch efforts."


Here's a post I made on another blog after I donated. If anyone is unsure of how or what to do, it includes the link and my comments about how easy the process is.

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Network for Good Giving; they keep 3%, not bad, and you can designate who money goes to; I said "Natalie Holloway Search"
They email you a copy of receipt; it's tax deductible.
Don't forget your email address when signing in for the first time.
$10 minimum

Every little bit helps, and how can anyone not be compelled by the determination conveyed in their saying they won't leave until they find her or determine she cannot be found there.
With a lump in my throat, I'm headed back to the donation site for a third time, and I'm sure many of you are too.
Take care, All
Paula


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 26, 2005, 05:02:18 PM
Dash, thanks for clearing up the mystery about whether the rooms opened out onto the beach or not.  Yesterday the speculation was that Natalee could have walked back to her room directly from the beach.  That appears not to be the case.  I don't know if this has already been addressed and cleared up, but now we understand.


Title: Re: Steve
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
I'm sure glad old steve has been released after all he has been thorugh for going in to help his little friends by saying he saw them at the HI.  I wonder if he really dd or they set him up.  So we owe apologies to him and the other Steve Croes at the Aruban Red Cross whose picture nobody could ever get up off the google archive who had posted on Amazon regarding an EMT book.   That old posting of his spawned a lot of theories as you all can imagine or remember.  some of our members knew old steve and were incredulous when they heard he was arrested.  his ex defended him saying he is so gentle he would cry if he stepped on a lizard.  Did we not also try to prove a skinny version of steve was the panty guy and was in gangsta pictures with joran?  We never could decide.  we had him taking tatoo out to dump the body, supplying the knock out drops,  hiding natalee in the reefer on the tatoo, even shiping her off the island in a box!  What fertile Monkey imaginations!  Now it turns out Steve is innocent.  One down and four to go.  I think things are looking worse for Joran although I wonder if they have much of a case without a body and the big mystery is what  happened to it, if Natalee is indeed gone.  where could she be?  a true mystery.   here is another oddity of the dutch system.  they can find a man innocent and it takes them another day to let him out of jail.  i imagine this is a remnant from the days of documents being prepared with quill pens and messenger walked the signed and sealed documents from the court to the police and so on down the chain to the jail.  He should have been released on the spot.  He already learned his lesson:  Don't voluntarily lie for your friends un less you are first briefed on the real deal  What was the real deal anyway?  if he knew he probably had to tell that too.        :oops:


I don't think Croes ever covered for anyones story - that was a rumor repeated on MSM

In the first hearing he was to be held for 8 days - Monday makes 8 days.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
FYI, use www.tinyurl.com to make links smaller.


Thanks!  I could never figure out how that was done and thought you had to know html or something complicated.  Good to have.
 :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well of course I want her to come home, just like everyone else. But lets face reality. I don't think she's alive. I also want ALL of the other missing children to come home too.  I was just wondering why this one case generated so much attention. You can't even watch FOX news anymore. This is practically the only story they ever talk about. What about the Osama Bin Laden story? They think they know where he's hiding, yet all they can talk about is this case. Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, it wasn't intended to.


Nicole I think you asked a reasonable question, just bad timing as it seems alot of people are disagreeing at the moment.
Personally I was attracted to the case for 2 reasons. One being my own son was kidnapped, so I am naturally drawn to stories like this to see what they are doing in an attempt to bring the missing person home. Thankfull as I have said before I got my son back.
Second I also have a teenage daughter, so that also peaked my interest since I do have a child close in age to Natalee. So thats why for me, I cant speak for anyone else though.  :D


My Top 10 reasons for the extensive coverage of this case:

1. Aruba has always been known as a safe playground for Americans.
2. Natalee is an intelligent, blue-eyed, blonde haired beautiful girl (Central Casting's All-American Girl/Everyone's Daughter)
3. The initial gross, over-the-top, obvious frame job of the two black security guards.
4.  Relatively slow news cycle...how much interest can you really continue to generate talking about social security and filibusters?
5.  Natural drama of story...Paradise turned to Hell...good-looking girl hooks up with good-looking bad boy...juicy innuendo of sex/drugs/rape/murder.
6.  Fox News ratings going through the roof (continue to feed the beast if it's hungry).
7.  Watching the impact and exertion of American political influence abroad.
8.  The schadenfreude of seeing the empowered colonialist Dutch judge's spoiled son being taken down by the small Caribbean island's judicial system.
9.  The learning process of understanding the differences between the US and Dutch/Aruban legal systems.
10.  The complementary effect of the blogosphere on the MSM and 'need to know now' 24-hour news junkies.


Title: Re: Steve
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
I'm sure glad old steve has been released after all he has been thorugh for going in to help his little friends by saying he saw them at the HI.  I wonder if he really dd or they set him up.  So we owe apologies to him and the other Steve Croes at the Aruban Red Cross whose picture nobody could ever get up off the google archive who had posted on Amazon regarding an EMT book.   That old posting of his spawned a lot of theories as you all can imagine or remember.  some of our members knew old steve and were incredulous when they heard he was arrested.  his ex defended him saying he is so gentle he would cry if he stepped on a lizard.  Did we not also try to prove a skinny version of steve was the panty guy and was in gangsta pictures with joran?  We never could decide.  we had him taking tatoo out to dump the body, supplying the knock out drops,  hiding natalee in the reefer on the tatoo, even shiping her off the island in a box!  What fertile Monkey imaginations!  Now it turns out Steve is innocent.  One down and four to go.  I think things are looking worse for Joran although I wonder if they have much of a case without a body and the big mystery is what  happened to it, if Natalee is indeed gone.  where could she be?  a true mystery.   here is another oddity of the dutch system.  they can find a man innocent and it takes them another day to let him out of jail.  i imagine this is a remnant from the days of documents being prepared with quill pens and messenger walked the signed and sealed documents from the court to the police and so on down the chain to the jail.  He should have been released on the spot.  He already learned his lesson:  Don't voluntarily lie for your friends un less you are first briefed on the real deal  What was the real deal anyway?  if he knew he probably had to tell that too.        :oops:


I don't think Croes ever covered for anyones story - that was a rumor repeated on MSM

In the first hearing he was to be held for 8 days - Monday makes 8 days.

inspector_detector
is 100% Correct. :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mordred on June 26, 2005, 05:05:25 PM
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: melbel on June 26, 2005, 05:05:57 PM
Quote
[snip]

This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


I believe Dave Holloway now lives in Meridian, but he used to live in Clinton, MS where Natalee was born and even for a while after he and Beth divorced.
BTW, I used to live in Jackson on the Clinton side.[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:06:51 PM
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<And unfortunely, I thought the resources are, probably unintentionaly, diverted to the wrong side... since the very beginning!>>


What has been the right side, since the very beginning, in this case?


I'd start by looking for Natalee. Seems like once they arrested Joran and the Kalpoes , they stopped looking for Natalee.

They have her clothes there. The scent could be given to bloodhounds. Also, cadaver dogs WILL find a dead body. And if there is no body, then she must still be alive...

Unfortunately, the longer this goes on the less likely they will find anything. The Texas team is doing it the right way, but they need a lot more than 24 guys and 4 dogs... :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:07:04 PM
That everything is all suspicious I agree.

Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "bendex"
Very good observation Anna we only know rumours , the only fact is that we know that he lied about dropping of natalee at the holiday inn . Then you agree that this the only suspicious act we have against joran van der sloot is the above mentioned ?


we only KNOW rumors, the facts will come out if they exist. The truth ALWAYS comes out.
<<


Nah, remember they had that whole yarn about her wanting to go to the lighthouse and all that other blather.  Plus literally seconds before she got into the car, she told her friend she was going back to the HI with the second group of students.  That just does not make sense for her to have said this, next thing we know she and Joren are gone.  He was the last person to be with her that we know of and now she is missing and he lied about it.  The lie without the rest would not be so significant if not made about a missing person.  

His demeanor in pouonding on his chest at the mother is not exactly rational, either.  I'd call it VERY suspicous as I have never known a seventeen year old to do such a thing in my life.  And people wonder why Jug is annoyed!  Whew!  I wouldn't have done that if I have been Joren and do not know how Jug held his temper under the circumstances.  Has known and established anger problems, lots of red flags, not just one simple lie.  Sort of a pattern of very suspicous behavior.

But we are all speculating as it is all we can do.  

I had hopes the search team would just find everything first thing but that is not likely to happen.  They said 7-10 days.  By them we will all have eyestrain.[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 05:07:15 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I would like to refer to the case when the son of the argentinian President Menem was murderd by syrian agents after menem not fulfilled his part of a armsdeal. I would like to comment that powerfull people have lots of means at their disposal and money turns friends into enemies and enemies into friends.

Quote from: "bendex"
Mind you that abduction needs very good planning, like what who to kidnap when you have to study the daily habits of persons etc. it is not that easy. However murder is much easier ......................

Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


--- and bendex did they not blow up an arms factory to cover up some missing weapons they sold to ecuador. killing hundreds in the process?


Title: Re: Steve
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "iquitos"
I'm sure glad old steve has been released after all he has been thorugh for going in to help his little friends by saying he saw them at the HI.  I wonder if he really dd or they set him up.  So we owe apologies to him and the other Steve Croes at the Aruban Red Cross whose picture nobody could ever get up off the google archive who had posted on Amazon regarding an EMT book.   That old posting of his spawned a lot of theories as you all can imagine or remember.  some of our members knew old steve and were incredulous when they heard he was arrested.  his ex defended him saying he is so gentle he would cry if he stepped on a lizard.  Did we not also try to prove a skinny version of steve was the panty guy and was in gangsta pictures with joran?  We never could decide.  we had him taking tatoo out to dump the body, supplying the knock out drops,  hiding natalee in the reefer on the tatoo, even shiping her off the island in a box!  What fertile Monkey imaginations!  Now it turns out Steve is innocent.  One down and four to go.  I think things are looking worse for Joran although I wonder if they have much of a case without a body and the big mystery is what  happened to it, if Natalee is indeed gone.  where could she be?  a true mystery.   here is another oddity of the dutch system.  they can find a man innocent and it takes them another day to let him out of jail.  i imagine this is a remnant from the days of documents being prepared with quill pens and messenger walked the signed and sealed documents from the court to the police and so on down the chain to the jail.  He should have been released on the spot.  He already learned his lesson:  Don't voluntarily lie for your friends un less you are first briefed on the real deal  What was the real deal anyway?  if he knew he probably had to tell that too.        :oops:


I don't think Croes ever covered for anyones story - that was a rumor repeated on MSM

In the first hearing he was to be held for 8 days - Monday makes 8 days.

inspector_detector
is 100% Correct. :D


It appears Steve Croes involvement was to recieve the ALIBI email from Deepak.  This does not make him guilty, but with his access to boats made him suspect.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 05:09:09 PM
Quote from: "mordred"

For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


If she were targetted specifically, you are right.

If someone were laying in wait for generic "young girl alone on the beach"  you're not.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Anna"
Lack of evidence does not equate with innocence.  It is just what it is, lack of proof but NOT validation, vindication nor any kind of proof one did not commit a crime, merely that prosecution lacks the proof thereof.

As for the big mystery of why Little Joren has not cracked by now, well gee!  You don't suppose it is because no one is even trying to cause him to do so, do ya?  After all, how tough can it be being interrogated by his daddy's best friend.   :roll:   That's what the man said, not me!   :!:

Oh, Joren, did you do it?? :wink:  :wink:

Oh please don't ask me any more!!  :wink:  :wink:

And the photos from inside that brand new prison looked VERY spiffy!  He should see some in this country.  But if the chief LE refused to recuse himself and is in charge of the investigation, Joren is bound to know him quite intimately and knows he has nothing to fear.  Just play along with daddy's best friend until the time runs out.

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?


Speculation. Both about the relationship between PVDS and the head of Aruban LE AND about who is conducting the interrogation.


I can't recall the source or who the official was who said it, but there was a report early on, where a prosecutor allegedly said, "How could I do this to my best friend's son?"


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: hobnailboot on June 26, 2005, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote
[snip]

This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


I believe Dave Holloway now lives in Meridian, but he used to live in Clinton, MS where Natalee was born and even for a while after he and Beth divorced.
BTW, I used to live in Jackson on the Clinton side.
[/quote]

I thought I heard Natalee was born in Memphis.  Just wondering.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:10:48 PM
Quote from: "luna"
[quote
Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???



That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it[/quote]

Sorry dash...someone posted here yesterday they saw Beth on TV in her/Nat's room and they saw the door with sand....so it was posted that you could get to the room from the beach.

Not true?[/quote]


Nope, you have to go through the hotel either through the front enterance (inside) or through the hotel/ outdoor restraunt part.  Then you walk over a little bridge to the building we stayed in.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Steve C. went to police to back up a lie, thus lying himself.  His actions have contributed to the possibilty that Natalee may never have justice.  He volunteered to be part of this case, for reasons that are unclear to me.  However, his reason was not to help a victimized young woman.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??<<

Ah, those nagging details!  Also have to wonder why not kidnap the Twitty twins instead of Dave Holloway's daughter.  She is not even a blood relative and does not have same last name.




or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


Title: steve
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
steve told a story that did not square with other statements and was held to determne if he had a role in the suspected crime.  today the judge determined that his misrepresentation was not material and that he has no other involvement and let him go.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 05:13:15 PM
Quote from: "Scott"


I can't recall the source or who the official was who said it, but there was a report early on, where a prosecutor allegedly said, "How could I do this to my best friend's son?"


The source was Geraldo quoting his "unimpeachable source."  Translation: he probably just made it up.  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: hobnailboot on June 26, 2005, 05:13:18 PM
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:13:41 PM
Yes indeed iquitos, 120 palo verdes can make a lot of people angry, just want to say people with power can reach everywhere , you think the mentioned article is reliable

Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bendex"
I would like to refer to the case when the son of the argentinian President Menem was murderd by syrian agents after menem not fulfilled his part of a armsdeal. I would like to comment that powerfull people have lots of means at their disposal and money turns friends into enemies and enemies into friends.

Quote from: "bendex"
Mind you that abduction needs very good planning, like what who to kidnap when you have to study the daily habits of persons etc. it is not that easy. However murder is much easier ......................

Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen"  in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp...  not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court  involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing???  they've never given his name?  cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case


I normally don't quote the post I'm responding to in its entirety....but in case anyone missed this....

Definitely makes you go, "HHHmmmmmmm..."

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???


--- and bendex did they not blow up an arms factory to cover up some missing weapons they sold to ecuador. killing hundreds in the process?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:14:21 PM
There are many post in the main Natalee Forum that could use all of your insights as well. People seemingly not wanting to interupt the conversation on this thread are posting else where. http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewforum.php?f=2


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kipster on June 26, 2005, 05:14:47 PM
>>Here's a post I made on another blog after I donated. If anyone is unsure of how or what to do, it includes the link and my comments about how easy the process is.

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Thanks, PoorPaulaNNJ. Initially I heard the team would be there 5-7 days. A CNN Interview had the Equusearch head now saying they would search until they found Natalee or until they run out of funds. Everybody slide them a twenty dollar bill!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


http://tinyurl.com/dws38


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Anna on June 26, 2005, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Steve C. went to police to back up a lie, thus lying himself.  His actions have contributed to the possibilty that Natalee may never have justice.  He volunteered to be part of this case, for reasons that are unclear to me.  However, his reason was not to help a victimized young woman.
<<

And if she died while LE was acting on information he gave them, just tough for her?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:16:20 PM
Hi luna ,

as I mentioned earlier Luna I think kidnap of natalee  is highly unlikely , in Aruba due to the timespan it needs for planning.

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "luna"
[quote
Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???



That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it


Sorry dash...someone posted here yesterday they saw Beth on TV in her/Nat's room and they saw the door with sand....so it was posted that you could get to the room from the beach.

Not true?[/quote]


Nope, you have to go through the hotel either through the front enterance (inside) or through the hotel/ outdoor restraunt part.  Then you walk over a little bridge to the building we stayed in.[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KJ on June 26, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
I am pretty discouraged after watching FOX news most of today.  I had been very hopeful the police knew much more than we've already been told, but according to Croes' lawyer, the only reason he was being held was because he got caught when Joran changed his story, after he (Croes) already had said, on Joran and the brother's behalf, that he saw them bring Natalee back to HI.  The brothers' lawyer is maintaining they, in effect, know/have revealed little and are innocent of all but trying to cover for Joran.  And, it was speculated by one official that Paul may be giving up his right to not testify against his son just to show he has nothing to hide.  In other words, I've gotten the impression that little if any talking has been done by any of those detained.  I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look at this point like there's been any real progression in this case  :cry:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Steve C. went to police to back up a lie, thus lying himself.  His actions have contributed to the possibilty that Natalee may never have justice.  He volunteered to be part of this case, for reasons that are unclear to me.  However, his reason was not to help a victimized young woman.
THE LE came looking 4 HIM@ the internet  Cafe.He then went in to Cop Shop..Was Questioned,went home,and was Arrested @ 6:30AM the Next morning.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "rogers"
Quote from: "Anna"

No body, no conviction, eh?  Hey, it works for me!!   :D   Applies both ways, too, right?

Not only is that distastful, it is completely ignorant Anna.  You should know better.


Rogers:

I have to agree with Anna, it's rather doubtful we've got a case without a confession or a body.  It's reality, not distasteful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that when Anna wrote that it "applies both ways too" it was a threat to get Joran and make his body disappear.

That is what I found to be distastful.[/i]


As distasteful as it is, Joran may well find himself safer if he is incarcerated for the next 15-20 years.

At the very least, if he is exonerated, I think it would quite dangerous for him to come to the States for college.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Lausa on June 26, 2005, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Did say I didn't care. It's just that this case is no different to me than any of the other missing kids in this world. Maybe a few of you need to take a break from this? Just a suggestion :x

Nicole,
This case has become important to many of us because we've come to feel a connection to Natalee and her family.  She's more than just a face on a milkcarton.  She's the child any parent would be proud to claim, a child/woman on the verge of a promising life, just starting out as an adult.

Does that make the multitudes of other missiing children less important?  Most emphatically not. Each soul is precious.   I would argue that if one positive thing could come from this whole tragic business, it might be the growth of a web-based network of concerned  and nosy people so that it becomes harder and harder to remain a "missing child", that the  increased awareness of many eyes and ears  make it more likely that answers are found.  The possibilities given the WWW are exponential.  Natalee may be becoming a sort of "Poster Child" for people who would like to help the lost and missing, if only they knew how.

There are other reasons, such as time of year.  It seems like there's always a missing person prominently featured in the summer, due to news cycle fluctuation. School's out, people have more time to follow the news.   And FOX news sure does love those sensational stories!  There are so many horrific things happening in the world today that  people can't take it all in at once. Even though I read soldiers' and citizens' blogs from Iraq,  they seem mercifully far away; this would be so different if I had a child serving in the armed forces.  On the other hand, I can readily focus on the search for Natalee Holloway.  Ihave a 23 year old daughter whom I love dearly and worry about frequently, so I can empathize with the angst Natalee's family and friends must be enduring.  Plus  I'm from Alabama and am quite fond of "The Tiny Kingdom" of Mountain Brook.   So I suppose that's my identification.  I'd be interessted to know what percentage of the posters on the Natalee boards do hail from Alabama!

And your suggestion that some of us need to take a break from this is not entirely unwarrented...lol!!!  I have to force myself to leave the boards.   Maybe there's a 12 Step Program for those who really can't stop...

Excuse my wordiness.  I've puzzled over this myself. :)

...................


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.



thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: melbel on June 26, 2005, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote
[snip]

This is my first post on this board, but have been lurking for weeks..Dave Holloway is from Meridian MS, the same city as I am from..He does not live in Clinton MS...
Tahnks


I believe Dave Holloway now lives in Meridian, but he used to live in Clinton, MS where Natalee was born and even for a while after he and Beth divorced.
BTW, I used to live in Jackson on the Clinton side.


Quote
I thought I heard Natalee was born in Memphis.  Just wondering.


There was a good link here last week to an article in the local Clinton newspaper interviewing the former friends and neighbors of the Holloways.  Lots of good pics too of Natalee and friends when they were younger.  I don't remember the link off-hand.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:19:19 PM
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


I agree it's not fair, but what is the dumb mistake you refer to?

Scott: there's no need to respond.  Poster is not going to.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 05:19:24 PM
<<I can't recall the source or who the official was who said it, but there was a report early on, where a prosecutor allegedly said, "How could I do this to my best friend's son?">>

This was from the credibility-challenged Geraldo Rivera; he alleged that a chief investigator said it, not a prosecutor.  At least one other item from that report (the "sex tape" thing) has been discredited by others.  But there has been no official retraction by Fox, and no official denial by the government.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: gaijin on June 26, 2005, 05:19:43 PM
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her[/quote]

sorry..but just logged back on....
DASH!!!! great to see you back!!
head and chin up girl!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well, I just graduated high school and was supposed to go to Cancun in August. Now my parents won't let me go. It seems I'm being punished for a dumb mistake of someone else. It's not fair.


I agree it's not fair, but what is the dumb mistake you refer to?


NICOLE, has been banned move on.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobntexas on June 26, 2005, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.


I do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back  to the Holiday Inn by herself.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.



I agree.. I saw that as well.. it was pitch black.. even with the camera lighting on.. ! The camera shot showing the beach at the Mariott to the HI didnt seem very close..  AND anyone could have been on that beach at that time of the AM.. ?/ IMO  I dont want to get yelled at!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
anna you are right David is from meridian but lived in Clinton until Natalee and her brother and mother and Jug moved to MB in 2000.  That theory that is proposed is dead wrong.
 here is the article abotu when david and the family lived in clinton

http://www.clintonnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050616/NEWS/506160357/1001


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Steve C. went to police to back up a lie, thus lying himself.  His actions have contributed to the possibilty that Natalee may never have justice.  He volunteered to be part of this case, for reasons that are unclear to me.  However, his reason was not to help a victimized young woman.
<<
 

And if she died while LE was acting on information he gave them, just tough for her?

If you recall,Steve was called in 8 days ago.Not 3 weeks.Why Are you hanging him?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:23:08 PM
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel."  And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: melbel on June 26, 2005, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Yes, it caught my eye because my daughter and her family are returning today from cruise in the Caribbean.  However, they are on a Royal Caribbean, but it sure got my attention.

I'm in Houston now and it was in the Houston Chronicle and local TV here, but I haven't heard any more about it since then.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


So you don't believe that Joran and Natalee could have ended up there without being seen?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:24:05 PM
bobntexas wrote

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do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


So you don't believe that Joran and Natalee could have ended up there without being seen?


I'd say it'd be pretty much impossible.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Yes, it caught my eye because my daughter and her family are returning today from cruise in the Caribbean.  However, they are on a Royal Caribbean, but it sure got my attention.

I'm in Houston now and it was in the Houston Chronicle and local TV here, but I haven't heard any more about it since then.


This is NOW SOMEONE ELSE MISSING???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: "bobntexas"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.


I do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back  to the Holiday Inn by herself.


Nobody knows.. I can speak for myself.. I have chosen wilingly to walk places alone,, and I am talking 1 to 3 mile radius. IM not blaming NH if thats what happened.. if she walked alone...!  But I dont buy that either.. I guess EVERYONE will find out sooner or later what happend. I pray to GOD they do.. time for some of the ones being held to fee up.. ESP if daddy waives his right to testify agaisnt his own kid.. he knows something or seen something.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<"We have learned that Croes was honest from the beginning….  Croes actually went to the police in an attempt to vindicate Joran by telling them he saw the boys drop her off at the hotel.">>


If sentence #2 is true, then sentence #1 is false.

It's Not True. He didn't know Joran.He Knows Deepak.
IMHO


Steve C. went to police to back up a lie, thus lying himself.  His actions have contributed to the possibilty that Natalee may never have justice.  He volunteered to be part of this case, for reasons that are unclear to me.  However, his reason was not to help a victimized young woman.
THE LE came looking 4 HIM@ the internet  Cafe.He then went in to Cop Shop..Was Questioned,went home,and was Arrested @ 6:30AM the Next morning.


What fine upstanding citizens back up a lie in the disappearance of an innocent person?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


So you don't believe that Joran and Natalee could have ended up there without being seen?


I'd say it'd be pretty much impossible.


See dash this is why I have been interested in the MB students take on these things. This would make Joran story crap again.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:26:15 PM
Quote
--- wrote:
absolut wrote:
Quote:
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.



So it is in fact not miles to walk from the Mariott to the HI I understand now?? hmm


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:27:16 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
>>Here's a post I made on another blog after I donated. If anyone is unsure of how or what to do, it includes the link and my comments about how easy the process is.

Here's the website - and you can do it online or by phone...how easy is that!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Thanks, PoorPaulaNNJ. Initially I heard the team would be there 5-7 days. A CNN Interview had the Equusearch head now saying they would search until they found Natalee or until they run out of funds. Everybody slide them a twenty dollar bill!


Oh, Kipster, you're so sweet. Hey, were you a cheerleader in high school too? hehehehe


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
bobntexas wrote

Quote
do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


I suppose I agree with that Hannie C but then if he was in fact a gentleman = wouldn't he have stuck around even in the shadows to make sure she got in ok????


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
anna you are right David is from meridian but lived in Clinton until Natalee and her brother and mother and Jug moved to MB in 2000.  That theory that is proposed is dead wrong.
 here is the article abotu when david and the family lived in clinton

http://www.clintonnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050616/NEWS/506160357/1001


Thanks for posting that link.  Thats a great article!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


So you don't believe that Joran and Natalee could have ended up there without being seen?


I'd say it'd be pretty much impossible.


See dash this is why I have been interested in the MB students take on these things. This would make Joran story crap again.



the police knows it's crap... the FBI has reports from at least 100 of us saying that we were out there all night and would have seen her.  Joran is lying, that's why people feel he's guilty.


Title: Walking alone on the beach
Post by: observer on June 26, 2005, 05:28:34 PM
Ok, weird thought... yes, I am new to this...

What if Joran and Natalee did have sex on the beach, but it didn't turn out the way she wanted and she wanted to be 'alone'.  Or maybe unconsentual, but drugged, and Joran did leave here there, alone.  

Joran and buddies don't want to tell about drugging, but at the same time, she really 'went missing'


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
ESPECIALLY IF HE KNEW SHE WASN'T FEELING ALL THAT GREAT All the more reason to hang back and just make sure>


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
Quote
--- wrote:
absolut wrote:
Quote:
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.



So it is in fact not miles to walk from the Mariott to the HI I understand now?? hmm



Nope, I walked there the night before, it only took a couple minutes and I was walking slow.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:29:26 PM
{{edited}}

Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "HannieC"
bobntexas wrote

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do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


I suppose I agree with that Hannie C but then if he was in fact a gentleman = wouldn't he have stuck around even in the shadows to make sure she got in ok????


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:29:27 PM
NICOLE, has been banned move on. [/quote]

Bravo!!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LostinTime on June 26, 2005, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Yes, it caught my eye because my daughter and her family are returning today from cruise in the Caribbean.  However, they are on a Royal Caribbean, but it sure got my attention.

I'm in Houston now and it was in the Houston Chronicle and local TV here, but I haven't heard any more about it since then.


This is NOW SOMEONE ELSE MISSING???


There is a Ap report of it @ Planethuff/Darkside..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 05:30:34 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
bobntexas wrote

Quote
do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


Hannie.. been there and doen that also.. its not out of line for a gal to walk alone... I have walked alone..in the dark.. along side of a busy highway in my hometown.. it sucked.. I didnt like it... but my hubby and I got in an argument.. I left without him noticing.. Walked at leat 3 miles.. Maybe Im stubborn? lol


Title: Re: Walking alone on the beach
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Ok, weird thought... yes, I am new to this...

What if Joran and Natalee did have sex on the beach, but it didn't turn out the way she wanted and she wanted to be 'alone'.  Or maybe unconsentual, but drugged, and Joran did leave here there, alone.  

Joran and buddies don't want to tell about drugging, but at the same time, she really 'went missing'


In my opinion, not likely


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:30:50 PM
Sleeks wrote:

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Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel." And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


And what if...............he told the truth and she would not let him walk with her and insists leave me I can handle it, what allowing? Would that make him a  "real"man if he was pushy after she could say leave me alone I can manage on my own?... just a thought. :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:31:01 PM
Quote
the police knows it's crap... the FBI has reports from at least 100 of us saying that we were out there all night and would have seen her. Joran is lying, that's why people feel he's guilty.


I would disagree in a way one of the first places the team in texas sonar'd is Marriott Beach. Not everyone is on the same page. Also amatuer American sleuthers are going off the Mariott Beach story as well. The bad part of this some of them have taken their hobby to Aruba on bad info?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:31:04 PM
HELLO MS. ----   I too would agree - think Joran is lying why did he change his story so many times.  Not to mention which one is it now???

He left her alone, was on the beach, I don't know - do you???

Like I said in an earlier post - if he was in fact a good kid and knew she either needed time to herself or was sick, stay close at hand especially being a 6' something " guy!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.


So you don't believe that Joran and Natalee could have ended up there without being seen?


I'd say it'd be pretty much impossible.


You could barely see the hotels from that shot - only from the lights - certainly there were people on the beach at the hotels - you could not see those people.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel."  And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


Besides - How do we know she was left at the beach at all?  Only Joran has put this assertion forward - it has not been corroborated by a credible source.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel."  And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


I do, I would, especially after a few drinks. I don't think it was that dark on the beach. The moon was at 59% illumination, it wasn't far and she felt safe. Doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility at all.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:32:46 PM
BESIDES THAT Even with poor judgement or not - I cannot see Natalee saying "It's ok just go - I'll be fine."  In a strange environment.

DON'T THINK SO.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Lausa on June 26, 2005, 05:33:04 PM
Quote from: "luna"

 Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???

I'd entertained this scenario too.  Would think they have security cams that the LE have studied?...
add the screaming maid
plus the other missing man
now the Twitty's AmSouth connection (going with theory that innocent testimony might have gotten them in someone's bad books)
and what do you have?
A CAN OF WORMS and question marks


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 05:33:41 PM
I'll say this 1 last time, Geraldo is the ONLY PErson that has suggested that Steve Croes told the Police a lie about Joran. I think S. Croes has paid dearly enough already to be again vilified by Geraldo Reviera and his SailBoating Video weilding Style of Journalism. To me the topic of deabte should be why Paulus VD Sloot has GIVEN up his Rights to NOT Testify against his son. To me this is HUGE news, but it just seems to me that most of you will not reasonably discuss OTHER more Likely(IMHO) scenarios that could have happened. With that said when evidence comes out to stymie your Theory you continually choose to vilify people like Croes. Let him be.....until Facts come out to support his involvment. Dont you think the Prosecutor woould have put forward evidence to keepo him in jail if she had some to offer the Judge ? the Judge has chossen to let Steve Croes go free, that to me shows there is NO EVIDENCE to hold him. As has been the case, the Arubaians dont NEED MUCH to hold people, if they let him go then they dont have ANYTHING.....

 Remember Why we're ultimately all here to FIND Natalee, not prosecute individuals...Let's let the authorities do their job...


GuyWdog

want to see more pics?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 05:33:44 PM
I'm speculating PVDS is going to come clean on what he knows if anything and pick-up the peices of what future he has left. He does still have other children and a wife. If he knows anything, I can't beleive he would risk his entire family and there futures just to save one child who may very well be guilty. Knowing the search team is there and on a mission, he may be talking if he not physically involved.
Altho' I could be just grasping at straws for an end to an already drawn out resolution.
Still praying they find Natalee and the TRUTH behind her disappearance!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel."  And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


Besides - How do we know she was left at the beach at all?  Only Joran has put this assertion forward - it has not been corroborated by a credible source.


The Kalpoe's said they left her and Joran at the beach as well.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:33:55 PM
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
BESIDES THAT Even with poor judgement or not - I cannot see Natalee saying "It's ok just go - I'll be fine."  In a strange environment.

DON'T THINK SO.


Disagree. I can tell you having been around a guy in a crowd and then being alone with them, I've decided that "ya know what?  this just ain't for me."  At that point, you'd do anything to get away from the guy, especially if you felt he was leeching on you.  Not that it happened in this case, but just sayin'.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:35:07 PM
Hi, Dash;
Saw you on TV several times in the last few days. You did an excellent job. Articulate and poised, no one could have done better. You go, Girlie!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:35:33 PM
Natalee was NEVER dropped off at the hotel... she was never NEAR the hotel! We would have seen her!  This is an unfounded theory!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:36:41 PM
{{edited}}  This is going no where.  Inuendo and such don't contribute to the Natalee discussion.  Move along, please!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:36:41 PM
WAS OUT MOST OF THE DAY ANY NEWS FROM THE TEXAS TEAM???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "Nicole"
Well of course I want her to come home, just like everyone else. But lets face reality. I don't think she's alive. I also want ALL of the other missing children to come home too.  I was just wondering why this one case generated so much attention. You can't even watch FOX news anymore. This is practically the only story they ever talk about. What about the Osama Bin Laden story? They think they know where he's hiding, yet all they can talk about is this case. Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, it wasn't intended to.


Nicole I think you asked a reasonable question, just bad timing as it seems alot of people are disagreeing at the moment.
Personally I was attracted to the case for 2 reasons. One being my own son was kidnapped, so I am naturally drawn to stories like this to see what they are doing in an attempt to bring the missing person home. Thankfull as I have said before I got my son back.
Second I also have a teenage daughter, so that also peaked my interest since I do have a child close in age to Natalee. So thats why for me, I cant speak for anyone else though.  :D


My Top 10 reasons for the extensive coverage of this case:

1. Aruba has always been known as a safe playground for Americans.
2. Natalee is an intelligent, blue-eyed, blonde haired beautiful girl (Central Casting's All-American Girl/Everyone's Daughter)
3. The initial gross, over-the-top, obvious frame job of the two black security guards.
4.  Relatively slow news cycle...how much interest can you really continue to generate talking about social security and filibusters?
5.  Natural drama of story...Paradise turned to Hell...good-looking girl hooks up with good-looking bad boy...juicy innuendo of sex/drugs/rape/murder.
6.  Fox News ratings going through the roof (continue to feed the beast if it's hungry).
7.  Watching the impact and exertion of American political influence abroad.
8.  The schadenfreude of seeing the empowered colonialist Dutch judge's spoiled son being taken down by the small Caribbean island's judicial system.
9.  The learning process of understanding the differences between the US and Dutch/Aruban legal systems.
10.  The complementary effect of the blogosphere on the MSM and 'need to know now' 24-hour news junkies.


Scott I agree with all your reasons, but I have to add, that as long as MSM focuses valuable TV time on this story, there is less time to devote to the Downing Street Memo, allegations Hillary was raped by u know who, how many soldiers were injured--not just killed, the SS plan from hell, and letting the Vietnamese leader walk into the White House before helping the US find all it's dead and or missing. The powers that be are only feeding our short attention span for issues that really matter in day to day life.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


Off topic, but are you from Montana?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:37:39 PM
Angiex911dsptchr wrote:

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Hannie.. been there and doen that also.. its not out of line for a gal to walk alone... I have walked alone..in the dark.. along side of a busy highway in my hometown.. it sucked.. I didnt like it... but my hubby and I got in an argument.. I left without him noticing.. Walked at leat 3 miles.. Maybe Im stubborn? lol



I know excactly what you mean angie...... :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Lausa on June 26, 2005, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself....


I do, I would... Doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility at all.

My imagination takes me more in this direction:  Natalee was interested in romance only up to a point.  Joran, having anticipated more, is steamed.  He doesn't leave her alone...he deserts her with a  "You teasing bitch! F U!" sort of comment, storming off leaving her to fend for herself.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 05:38:18 PM
Bobcats no-one with any reason can state anything about NH having sex with anyone...all that talk is just disgusting and should not be allowed by reasonable adults. That to me is impuning her character, which there is no evidence to show that she was just a normal teenager....


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
BESIDES THAT Even with poor judgement or not - I cannot see Natalee saying "It's ok just go - I'll be fine."  In a strange environment.

DON'T THINK SO.


If she had been interested in Joran, and Joran had been a gentleman throughout the night, IMO she would have wanted Joran to walk her back.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


I agree with you, Bobcats.
In addition, I think PVDS waived his rights because....correct me if I'm wrong....but I believe he got a visit from AVDS since his arrest. I feel like seeing her left alone to deal with the fallout snapped him out of denial and into thinking along the lines of doing the right thing.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: "---"
Natalee was NEVER dropped off at the hotel... she was never NEAR the hotel! We would have seen her!  This is an unfounded theory!


I believe you!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Yes, it caught my eye because my daughter and her family are returning today from cruise in the Caribbean.  However, they are on a Royal Caribbean, but it sure got my attention.

I'm in Houston now and it was in the Houston Chronicle and local TV here, but I haven't heard any more about it since then.


This is NOW SOMEONE ELSE MISSING???

Sounds like she may have fallen overboard.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: rkymtncjngrl on June 26, 2005, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "HannieC"
bobntexas wrote

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do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


I suppose I agree with that Hannie C but then if he was in fact a gentleman = wouldn't he have stuck around even in the shadows to make sure she got in ok????
 Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything that gives the impression that Joran is in any way a GENTLEMAN. I would think his mother would be all over him if he told her " I left her on the beach". I know I would be all over my son if he ever did that with a female.  :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kipster on June 26, 2005, 05:39:23 PM
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
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The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I'll say this 1 last time, Geraldo is the ONLY PErson that has suggested that Steve Croes told the Police a lie about Joran. I think S. Croes has paid dearly enough already to be again vilified by Geraldo Reviera and his SailBoating Video weilding Style of Journalism. To me the topic of deabte should be why Paulus VD Sloot has GIVEN up his Rights to NOT Testify against his son. To me this is HUGE news, but it just seems to me that most of you will not reasonably discuss OTHER more Likely(IMHO) scenarios that could have happened. With that said when evidence comes out to stymie your Theory you continually choose to vilify people like Croes. Let him be.....until Facts come out to support his involvment. Dont you think the Prosecutor woould have put forward evidence to keepo him in jail if she had some to offer the Judge ? the Judge has chossen to let Steve Croes go free, that to me shows there is NO EVIDENCE to hold him. As has been the case, the Arubaians dont NEED MUCH to hold people, if they let him go then they dont have ANYTHING.....

 Remember Why we're ultimately all here to FIND Natalee, not prosecute individuals...Let's let the authorities do their job...


GuyWdog

want to see more pics?


Steve Croes lawyer said it!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KJ on June 26, 2005, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
I'm speculating PVDS is going to come clean on what he knows if anything and pick-up the peices of what future he has left... I can't beleive he would risk his entire family and there futures just to save one child who may very well be guilty...


Joran is his drinking and gambling buddy as well.  As long as Joran is not talking, I don't think his father will talk.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: "Lausa"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself....


I do, I would... Doesn't seem outside the realms of possibility at all.

My imagination takes me more in this direction:  Natalee was interested in romance only up to a point.  Joran, having anticipated more, is steamed.  He doesn't leave her alone...he deserts her with a  "You teasing bitch! F U!" sort of comment, storming off leaving her to fend for herself.


CERTAINLY ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE - HOWEVER I too have been known to be stubborn myself and having to get out of a sitch - BUT DIFFERENCE BEING - I was sporting something to protect myself.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<And unfortunely, I thought the resources are, probably unintentionaly, diverted to the wrong side... since the very beginning!>>


What has been the right side, since the very beginning, in this case?


I'd start by looking for Natalee. Seems like once they arrested Joran and the Kalpoes , they stopped looking for Natalee.

They have her clothes there. The scent could be given to bloodhounds. Also, cadaver dogs WILL find a dead body. And if there is no body, then she must still be alive...

Unfortunately, the longer this goes on the less likely they will find anything. The Texas team is doing it the right way, but they need a lot more than 24 guys and 4 dogs... :roll:



hey BF! no, just because she is not found on the island, does not mean she is not dead. Water my friend, water. I to think the Texas team will find the answers, sadly. The truth always comes out, one way or the other


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: luna on June 26, 2005, 05:39:54 PM
Hey again dash...I saw on a map and also read that the Marriott was about 10 blocks, or 1 mile, away from the HI.

So....are you saying that because the MBHSers were walking up and down the beach between the two places all night.....that's why you/they would have seen Nat??

Cus it seems like it would be hard to see that far when it was dark....just curious.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 05:39:57 PM
---wrote: (dash) :wink:

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the police knows it's crap... the FBI has reports from at least 100 of us saying that we were out there all night and would have seen her. Joran is lying, that's why people feel he's guilty.


100 of you at the beach at that specific time? that`s a lot, so it wasn`t quit at all then on the beach...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: roxyluv on June 26, 2005, 05:40:51 PM
Checking in, anything new?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "HannieC"
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--- wrote:
absolut wrote:
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thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her


So you could see Marriott beach from where you were?


yeah, you can walk to it in just a couple minutes... it's really close by.



So it is in fact not miles to walk from the Mariott to the HI I understand now?? hmm



Nope, I walked there the night before, it only took a couple minutes and I was walking slow.




DASH, thanks so much for clearing some of this up...I dont know about the others, but in my mind, I had pictured everything being dark and desolate, and Nat and Joran being where no one could see anything....I also had wondered about the beach entrance ..thanks for clearing that up too...This is so hard on all of you guys..i am so sorry...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
WAS OUT MOST OF THE DAY ANY NEWS FROM THE TEXAS TEAM???


They made a comment about staying until they run out of resources. God love them. They need donations. Do you need the link?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
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The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wow good catch.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 05:41:14 PM
You are WAY out of line! How dare you question Nat's character! She is the sweetest, most wonderful, intellegant girl! She is EXTREMELY respectable!

Dash, I don't believe bendex is saying anything of the sort. I think he's commenting that human nature what it is, everyone reacts differently to the "lady" and "gentleman" concept. What we would expect a "gentleman" to do, wouldn't be what the suspect would think in his head.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 05:41:20 PM
Someone help me out here:

Does PVDS' waiving of his right to testify against his son mean that he is going to testify against(meaning incriminatingly) his son or does it mean that he is just going to tell what he knows good or bad.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 05:41:26 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Sorry folks I personally don't believe any woman young or old would have said "it;s ok just let me here by myself - I'll make it back to my hotel."  And I don't believe any real man should have allowed that anyway.


Besides - How do we know she was left at the beach at all?  Only Joran has put this assertion forward - it has not been corroborated by a credible source.


The Kalpoe's said they left her and Joran at the beach as well.


Yes, but how do we know Joran left Natalee at the beach?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 05:41:51 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.



thats very unlikely.... we were all outside, a lot of us on the beach until VERY late... we would have seen her
 

we really can't tell much from the greta shot on the beach.  her light masked all the natural light so you really can's see the background as you would if she were standing there in the dark.  we don't know what the scene was on Sunday night but there probably was not a lot of traffic at 2-2:30 am.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: "RB"
You are WAY out of line! How dare you question Nat's character! She is the sweetest, most wonderful, intellegant girl! She is EXTREMELY respectable!

Dash, I don't believe bendex is saying anything of the sort. I think he's commenting that human nature what it is, everyone reacts differently to the "lady" and "gentleman" concept. What we would expect a "gentleman" to do, wouldn't be what the suspect would think in his head.



Once again, though, RB..it's all about tone...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: NewsJunkie on June 26, 2005, 05:42:20 PM
I agree with DASH.  NH never made it to the Holiday Inn.  I don't think the beach story is accurate either.   I think the boys took her to JVDS's house.  God only knows what happened there, especially if they drugged her.  Maybe she was still alive when the boys left, however maybe they only dropped them off and went on their way.  JVDS probably murdered her and PVDS helped dispose of the body.  I do not believe that they dumped her body in the water.  I think that that would entail too much and involve others.  I believe only the VDS really know what happened, however the brothers do know that something very bad did.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wwizard on June 26, 2005, 05:42:30 PM
Greetings all,

Whew, my head is spinning, everything changes so fast. I really like the PO’d Central American investor angle. I don’t think I know a damned thing anymore. I wish there could be some closure to this but I think we’ll be watching this on the Discovery Channel in 20 years. Some “what really happened” show. Geez, talk about "who's on first."


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: "Charlotte"
Quote from: "---"
Natalee was NEVER dropped off at the hotel... she was never NEAR the hotel! We would have seen her!  This is an unfounded theory!


I believe you!


Me too!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "goon squad"
<<And unfortunely, I thought the resources are, probably unintentionaly, diverted to the wrong side... since the very beginning!>>


What has been the right side, since the very beginning, in this case?


I'd start by looking for Natalee. Seems like once they arrested Joran and the Kalpoes , they stopped looking for Natalee.

They have her clothes there. The scent could be given to bloodhounds. Also, cadaver dogs WILL find a dead body. And if there is no body, then she must still be alive...

Unfortunately, the longer this goes on the less likely they will find anything. The Texas team is doing it the right way, but they need a lot more than 24 guys and 4 dogs... :roll:



hey BF! no, just because she is not found on the island, does not mean she is not dead. Water my friend, water. I to think the Texas team will find the answers, sadly. The truth always comes out, one way or the other


Dead bodies float. And the surf would have washed the body onshore. Unless, someone took her far enough out to sea where the currents take over, but you would need a boat for that. :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


Sorry, but it happens all the time. I live in a tourist town and the local boys here are hooking up w/ tourist girls on a regular basis. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, one of our friends who is a bartender at a beach bar brought a girl about Natalees age over to my house to hang around the pool and smoke a joint. He'd met her that same day. She was a nice girl, too.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
WAS OUT MOST OF THE DAY ANY NEWS FROM THE TEXAS TEAM???


They made a comment about staying until they run out of resources. God love them. They need donations. Do you need the link?


THANKS POORPAULANNJ - YES PLEASE SEND IT OVER.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 05:43:48 PM
Hope this link works...it's a picture taken of Deepak last week:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050618/capt.aru10206180249.aruba_missing_teen_aru102.jpg?x=208&y=345&sig=wral0oggjojZMJMGGDAPhQ--

Deepak Kalpoe, 21, one of four suspects in connection with the disappearance of Alabama high school graduate Natalee Holloway on May 30, is transferred from court to the police station in the capital city of Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, June 17, 2005. (AP Photo/Vigilante,Hubert Welvaart)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 05:44:03 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "mordred"
Quote from: "Curiosity"
Quote from: "GulfCoastGirl"
Quote from: "luna"
Quote from: "grits"

Her room was on the beach with a door that opened to the sand.....maybe she was abducted on her way back to the HI???






For someone to have abducted her on her way back to the hotel, they would have to have been tailing her all evening, from C&Cs, to the beach, & back! They would have to anticipate that she would return to the hotel on foot, un-accompanied, etc: Very unlikely!


I Disagree, Greta had the shot , it is a long walk from Marriott beach to Holiday in . It was very dark. Not many people around at 3:00 am. Someone could have been there already and just saw Natalee walking by alone. It would have been very easy to abduct her with no witnesses.


Insoector, this has crossed my mind many times. It is possible that joran has the bad luck/fate of being the last one seen with her. But it is possible, that if joran is not LYING ( sadly he has a history of this already in this case ) someone else could have taken/hurt Natalee. joran should never have lied. Never, if he did, he has only himself to hold responsible for ruining his life.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Someone help me out here:

Does PVDS' waiving of his right to testify against his son mean that he is going to testify against(meaning incriminatingly) his son or does it mean that he is just going to tell what he knows good or bad.
 

according to fox instant expert talking head lawyers he is going to tell what he knows.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: NewsJunkie on June 26, 2005, 05:45:20 PM
PVDS to be released tomorrow at 1pm - FOX


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:45:21 PM
Yes and why am I way out of line , did I mention anything about natalee ?
No


{{ok folks, let's end this now, The Zoo Keeper}}


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:45:33 PM
If they never made it to the beach all 3 are still lying for the record.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


Sorry, but it happens all the time. I live in a tourist town and the local boys here are hooking up w/ tourist girls on a regular basis. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, one of our friends who is a bartender at a beach bar brought a girl about Natalees age over to my house to hang around the pool and smoke a joint. He'd met her that same day. She was a nice girl, too.



Well, Natalee isn't like that. Ive known her long enough to know that she wouldn't ever do anything like that... I was with her on the trip, I know how she acted even in "unusual circumstances"... she's the same girl no matter where she is


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "melbel"
Quote from: "hobnailboot"
Just a tad off topic, maybe, but has anyone heard any news about the woman reported missing Friday from the Carnival Cruise Ship in Belize?


Yes, it caught my eye because my daughter and her family are returning today from cruise in the Caribbean.  However, they are on a Royal Caribbean, but it sure got my attention.

I'm in Houston now and it was in the Houston Chronicle and local TV here, but I haven't heard any more about it since then.


This is NOW SOMEONE ELSE MISSING???

Sounds like she may have fallen overboard.


Or hubby pushed her


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 26, 2005, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
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the police knows it's crap... the FBI has reports from at least 100 of us saying that we were out there all night and would have seen her. Joran is lying, that's why people feel he's guilty.


I would disagree in a way one of the first places the team in texas sonar'd is Marriott Beach. Not everyone is on the same page. Also amatuer American sleuthers are going off the Mariott Beach story as well. The bad part of this some of them have taken their hobby to Aruba on bad info?


I never believed they went to hotel area at all.  If Mickey John was telling the truth he said" the whole holiday inn thing...that was all lie"...I took him to mean the whole sory about going to that area at all/ hotels/lighthouse/fisherman huts/etc...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:45:59 PM
guy I was not attacking her character.  I was saying that Natalee would not have given consent. ok I would never attack Natalee I have to much respect for her and Dash and all her friends


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandraK on June 26, 2005, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Kipster"
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
Quote
The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wow good catch.

McWOWZA.**and I got FOX on 2 foot away**


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 05:46:11 PM
I know that they would release the daddy.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KJ on June 26, 2005, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Does PVDS' waiving of his right to testify against his son mean that he is going to testify against(meaning incriminatingly) his son or does it mean that he is just going to tell what he knows good or bad.


According to officials and lawyers (Aruba and US) interviewed on FOX, it does not mean he necessarily will testify AGAINST his son.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "DT"
Someone help me out here:

Does PVDS' waiving of his right to testify against his son mean that he is going to testify against(meaning incriminatingly) his son or does it mean that he is just going to tell what he knows good or bad.
 

according to fox instant expert talking head lawyers he is going to tell what he knows.


FELLOW MONKEYS ANY CLUES???? What are we speculating that he knows.????????


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mehill10 on June 26, 2005, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
I'll say this 1 last time, Geraldo is the ONLY PErson that has suggested that Steve Croes told the Police a lie about Joran. I think S. Croes has paid dearly enough already to be again vilified by Geraldo Reviera and his SailBoating Video weilding Style of Journalism. To me the topic of deabte should be why Paulus VD Sloot has GIVEN up his Rights to NOT Testify against his son. To me this is HUGE news, but it just seems to me that most of you will not reasonably discuss OTHER more Likely(IMHO) scenarios that could have happened. With that said when evidence comes out to stymie your Theory you continually choose to vilify people like Croes. Let him be.....until Facts come out to support his involvment. Dont you think the Prosecutor woould have put forward evidence to keepo him in jail if she had some to offer the Judge ? the Judge has chossen to let Steve Croes go free, that to me shows there is NO EVIDENCE to hold him. As has been the case, the Arubaians dont NEED MUCH to hold people, if they let him go then they dont have ANYTHING.....

 Remember Why we're ultimately all here to FIND Natalee, not prosecute individuals...Let's let the authorities do their job...


GuyWdog

want to see more pics?


Steve Croes lawyer said it!!!



he need to get soom time in jail charged with being a dumbass it this is true

but who but him up to telling the lies?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Someone help me out here:

Does PVDS' waiving of his right to testify against his son mean that he is going to testify against(meaning incriminatingly) his son or does it mean that he is just going to tell what he knows good or bad.


I think it means that PVDS has nothing incriminating to say about Joran. The fact that PVDS is being let go proves they have nothing on PVDS. Despite all the speculation.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


Sorry, but it happens all the time. I live in a tourist town and the local boys here are hooking up w/ tourist girls on a regular basis. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, one of our friends who is a bartender at a beach bar brought a girl about Natalees age over to my house to hang around the pool and smoke a joint. He'd met her that same day. She was a nice girl, too.


I beleive you :) But to say it never happens is a stretch..I was speaking generally


Well, Natalee isn't like that. Ive known her long enough to know that she wouldn't ever do anything like that... I was with her on the trip, I know how she acted even in "unusual circumstances"... she's the same girl no matter where she is


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: "KJ"
Quote from: "candygirl"
I'm speculating PVDS is going to come clean on what he knows if anything and pick-up the peices of what future he has left... I can't beleive he would risk his entire family and there futures just to save one child who may very well be guilty...


Joran is his drinking and gambling buddy as well.  As long as Joran is not talking, I don't think his father will talk.



Unfortunately you're probably right. I guess I'm holding out hope that if he does indeed know something,, he will consider his future and that of the rest of his family that he'd come clean and spill what he knows.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed and praying hard!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:47:39 PM
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 05:48:04 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
bobntexas wrote

Quote
do not believe a woman would willingly have made the choice to walk back to the Holiday Inn by herself


I`m a woman and I can understand, 1. If I had enough of the boy who is with me, 2. If I was feeling sick or something.

I walked a few miles home myself alone on the beach a few times so I know it can absolutly happen!


I hear ya Hanna, I have done it a few times myself---and while under the influence as well. My parents beach house is a few blocks from the ocean, and you have to walk around a lake as well. I have done it many many times in my younger years, for several different reasons...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Charlotte"
Quote from: "---"
Natalee was NEVER dropped off at the hotel... she was never NEAR the hotel! We would have seen her!  This is an unfounded theory!
I believe you!

Me too!

ME THREE


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:48:37 PM
OK ALL AND THAT STATMENT WAS FROM SOMEONE (MS. ---) WHO KNOWS NATALEE PERSONALLY.



So even under unusual circumstances - it wasn;t likely.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Getagrip on June 26, 2005, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: "Charlotte"
Quote from: "---"
Natalee was NEVER dropped off at the hotel... she was never NEAR the hotel! We would have seen her!  This is an unfounded theory!


I believe you!

This is an interesting insight. I tend to believe this too. Using Dutchlady's theory, if foul play was involved, the perps would make up stories to distance themselves from the actual scene of the crime.

The only thing that bothers me is the Kalpoes, and Joran's story that the former dropped the latter at the Marriott beach. In this case, their stories are consistent if we are to believe the news reports and/or their lawyers/

If the Kalpoes are lying yet again, that would lead me to believe that they are more involved than they have led us to believe.

Thank you for sharing Dash. And please don't let what some people write get to you. I think most of us know not to pay attention to people who are trying to diverge the focus out of finding out the truth.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:49:19 PM
katya
no I am in northeast arkansas


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kipster on June 26, 2005, 05:49:48 PM
Another tidbit from the new foxnews.com story:
Quote
The lawyer representing Paul van der Sloot (search), whose arrest has garnered the most attention, said Sunday that his client has waived his right not to testify against his son. Under Aruban law, parents have the option to refuse to testify against their children. In waiving that right, Paul van der Sloot is essentially agreeing to take the stand.
So, he's waives his right and they're cutting him loose Monday with Steve. Wonder if this means something...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:50:07 PM
SOMEONE ALSO SAID EARLIER IF THEIR SON WAS THAT INCONSIDERATE, SHE AS A PARENT WOULDN'T BE TOO HAPPY WITH HIM.

That is also the impression I got from Mrs. VDS.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:50:20 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


Was "X" used by any MB students during any part of the trip?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 05:50:41 PM
Paul van der Sloot will be released tonight! Per CNN


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


then as a 40 something female myself, you never were a teenager! If you have a teenage to 20 something old daughter, it has probably crossed her mind as well, whether or not she acted on it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Kipster"
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
Quote
The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wow good catch.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this means that the father has accomplished what needs to be accomplished, ie.....WHERE TO FIND NH?????????


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KJ on June 26, 2005, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector
The fact that PVDS is being let go...


Is this a new development?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wantsanswers on June 26, 2005, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: "Getagrip"
Latest from Rheil World View (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/):
"Aruba Breaking

4:00 PM Update: It is being supposed that the elder v d Sloot has nothing to hide, hence the earlier waiver. Potentially, if investigators believe he has given them whatever truth he knows, he could be released tonight, barring enough evidence to hold him as a suspect in the case. That does not mean that he will necessarily incriminate Joran in some way by stating what he knows.

3:45 Update: Geraldo's amazing report: Steve Croes voluntarily went to the police and said he saw the boys drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn - a story from which the boys later backed away. Subsequently, Croes was detained because he apparently showed himself to be willing to lie in support of his friends in this matter. Interesting look at the Dutch justice system: no sign of a recent haircut for Geraldo."


From what I understand, the decision whether PVDS will be released or detained for another 8 days is tonight at 8 pm.


Maybe the father doesn't really know, but suspects his son is responsible because he knows him down deep. Maybe that is why he told him not to talk and was sweating profusely in Greta's interview.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


Was "X" used by any MB students during any part of the trip?



NO!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Y'alls Psychic Detective on June 26, 2005, 05:52:18 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
Another tidbit from the new foxnews.com story:
Quote
The lawyer representing Paul van der Sloot (search), whose arrest has garnered the most attention, said Sunday that his client has waived his right not to testify against his son. Under Aruban law, parents have the option to refuse to testify against their children. In waiving that right, Paul van der Sloot is essentially agreeing to take the stand.
So, he's waives his right and they're cutting him loose Monday with Steve. Wonder if this means something...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wouldn't it be a shock if he sold his son down the river??  Quite doubtful, though.

BTW, CNN is reporting that PVDS will be released TONIGHT.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: goon squad on June 26, 2005, 05:52:46 PM
Nothing definitive can be said about PVDS' decision.  

He could reveal damaging information about his son - although, again, I don't understand how, if a familial privilege re: testimony exists, his son couldn't prevent the admissibility of something covered by the privilege.

He could, indeed, know nothing of significance.

Or he could be covering up with his son.  If he makes false statements, proving them as lies will require flipping either the Kalpoes or some other unknown witnesses.  And if those people are flipping, then he's in trouble whether he testifies or not.  So if it doesn't make much of a difference anyway, why invoke a right that's going to make you look bad?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:52:50 PM
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 05:52:54 PM
Look, all of your posts have been insinuating or even attacking flat out Natalee and/or her family. Just stop! You're not helping by any means, you're just antagonizing an already hurtful situation!

All of the posts have NOT been defaming Natalee, Dash. How is keeping interest up in this case hurting anyone? People have questions and they are posing them in the manner which IS respectful in their desire TO help.

It actually benefits the family, as it keeps some of the media presence in Aruba so there IS progress. Without the countless number of us watching and following the case, do you really think they'd be there? Exposing and putting pressure on the authorities when the family was so disappointed in the beginning? People here want to help - and they have very little information to go on really, and like the whole vast Internet, most folks don't know her personally.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: "KJ"
Quote from: "inspector_detector
The fact that PVDS is being let go...


Is this a new development?


Yes.  It is suppose to be formally announced at 8:00.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 05:53:04 PM
Well, Natalee isn't like that. Ive known her long enough to know that she wouldn't ever do anything like that... I was with her on the trip, I know how she acted even in "unusual circumstances"... she's the same girl no matter where she is[/quote]

From what I have heard about her, I would definitely agree with that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:53:07 PM
I am afraid my comment that was qouted at teh top of page 39 has been misunderstood by some.  I know Natalee would not have sex and this guy could not accept that.  I am sorry for any confusion


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Kipster"
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
Quote
The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wow good catch.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this means that the father has accomplished what needs to be accomplished, ie.....WHERE TO FIND NH?????????


If PVDS knows where Natalee is they wouldn't be releasing him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:54:08 PM
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.

{{edited - please move on}}


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: dragonfly on June 26, 2005, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


It seems with every theory that is blown, two more take its place.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2005, 05:55:14 PM
He told Joran not to talk because it was standard legal advice.
If in deed they did get dropped at the Marriott maybe they walked in the opposite direction from the HI to ensure a few moments alone - where exactly are the fisherman's huts?
I'm with the person a minute ago who suggested PVDS may have accomplished what they originally arrested him to do.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:55:31 PM
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bobcats1996 on June 26, 2005, 05:55:47 PM
I agree charlotte.  I hope I was able to clarify what I meant.  I did not mean to open up a can of worms by being misunderstood


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 05:56:18 PM
DASH, may i ask something that has me wondering? I have never been to aruba..dont know how it is laid out, or how crowded the beaches are at night..BUT, how far down can you see on the beach? I have heard mention of several different beaches..Baby beach, etc..can you see different beaches from one particular spot?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: "wwizard"
Greetings all,

Whew, my head is spinning, everything changes so fast. I really like the PO’d Central American investor angle. I don’t think I know a damned thing anymore. I wish there could be some closure to this but I think we’ll be watching this on the Discovery Channel in 20 years. Some “what really happened” show. Geez, talk about "who's on first."


Excellent summary, wwizard. It is spinning fast!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 05:56:36 PM
Well Monkeys makes me think of OJ  the proof that was out there about him (there was lots) but b/c of the legal system and the other factors - he walked away.  

Much to the disappointment of Nicole's family.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 05:58:29 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


Not neccessarily, Joran could have another friend who was involved who gave him a ride.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 05:58:47 PM
All of the posts have NOT been defaming Natalee, Dash. How is keeping interest up in this case hurting anyone? People have questions and they are posing them in the manner which IS respectful in their desire TO help.

It actually benefits the family, as it keeps some of the media presence in Aruba so there IS progress. Without the countless number of us watching and following the case, do you really think they'd be there? Exposing and putting pressure on the authorities when the family was so disappointed in the beginning? People here want to help - and they have very little information to go on really, and like the whole vast Internet, most folks don't know her personally.[/quote]


Quote
Dash:
I wasnt talking to you


When you post on this messageboard it really doesn't matter who you're responding to - in effect, you're really talking to everyone.  I'd like you to consider that people here really DO have (for the most part anyway) the best of intentions.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


Drinking at a nightclub, leaving with new freinds, or walking on the beach alone, I think are not character issues. The big character issue in my mind is that I don't see Joran or the Kalpoes as kidnappers/murderers. The only other alternative is that Natalee ran away (not likely) or someone else kidnapped her. And I don't think anyone should be talking about murder untill you find a dead body or a lot of forensic evidence. :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 05:58:58 PM
This is getting more complicated every time.

Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
WAS OUT MOST OF THE DAY ANY NEWS FROM THE TEXAS TEAM???


They made a comment about staying until they run out of resources. God love them. They need donations. Do you need the link?


THANKS POORPAULANNJ - YES PLEASE SEND IT OVER.


Here you go, Sleeks.....

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


---  i think we are back to the cultural thing.  why would natalee going out with joran raise questions about her character.  everything i know about her speaks of good character.  Isn't a girl allowed to have fun, to venture out and explore?  How does that bring her character into question?   :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


Not neccessarily, Joran could have another friend who was involved who gave him a ride.


Impossible at this point. IMO he isn't spilling anymore names. So he either doesn't know what happened or the 3 of them do.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.



U GO GIRL  I don't appreciate the antagonistic attitudes either.  It may true that someone is innocent until proven guilty - but we all do have different personalities and different behaviors (all of which means we're not clones) some behaviors are more obvious than others.  I think if Joran had nothing to hide - HE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO CHANGE HIS STORY - PERIOD


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


Not neccessarily, Joran could have another friend who was involved who gave him a ride.


That's true but he reportedly had a cell phone with him and the police have the records, so I think whoever he would have called would have been arrested already. :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 06:01:01 PM
IMO this judge from Caraçao has decided enough is enough and put a halt to the roundup.

I'm afraid all they have is the conflicting stories from the three boys with no evidence of what actually happened... enough to raise suspicions but not enough to build a case. Let's hope Equusearch can find her!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: "RB"
All of the posts have NOT been defaming Natalee, Dash. How is keeping interest up in this case hurting anyone? People have questions and they are posing them in the manner which IS respectful in their desire TO help.

It actually benefits the family, as it keeps some of the media presence in Aruba so there IS progress. Without the countless number of us watching and following the case, do you really think they'd be there? Exposing and putting pressure on the authorities when the family was so disappointed in the beginning? People here want to help - and they have very little information to go on really, and like the whole vast Internet, most folks don't know her personally.
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Dash:
I wasnt talking to you


When you post on this messageboard it really doesn't matter who you're responding to - in effect, you're really talking to everyone.  I'd like you to consider that people here really DO have (for the most part anyway) the best of intentions.[/quote]


I was replying to one post... only one post... it was from benex or whatever, not you. I'm not attacking you... I'm asking that ONE idividual to please have some respect and not attack my friend not her family when she is missing.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mehill10 on June 26, 2005, 06:01:17 PM
if dutch-bag is telling the truth now he left natelee on the beach(what a asshole) it could be a random kidnapping and if thats the case the cops might never figure out who did it (even LE in the USA almost never catch people that they can not conect to a case ) the chances of find natelee was alot better that first day if the they would have said what really happen  but we are still back to if dutch-bag didn't do something to her WHY ALL THE LIES?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:01:39 PM
They must have trumped up the charges of murder kidnapping etc.  Given that 2 of the 5 are being released, makes me wonder if evidence is important for charaging someone at all.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 06:01:44 PM
Paul is getting out tonight.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:01:53 PM
Paulus is going to be set free, by Fox NEws.....

GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sabrina on June 26, 2005, 06:01:55 PM
Geraldo is reporting on Fox Paul VDS was just released.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.



I believe you Dash...I do...God Bless you hon..I dont care what people think of my theory or speculation.. OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTTHOLES..EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE...and i beleive he is guilty too....its a gut feeling, and I just feel what i feel..but i can almost promise its him that knows....I just hurt so much for you and her friends and her family... :cry:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


---  i think we are back to the cultural thing.  why would natalee going out with joran raise questions about her character.  everything i know about her speaks of good character.  Isn't a girl allowed to have fun, to venture out and explore?  How does that bring her character into question?   :roll:



What are you talking about?  


I'm referencing the fact that many have said that no matter how greata person she is, that she probably went out and had sex and did drugs and got crazy... I'm just letting people know that's not true.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Shellbell on June 26, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
I wonder if they will let anymore go.  Oooooooooooo  we are going to maybe hear a lot!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
He told Joran not to talk because it was standard legal advice.
If in deed they did get dropped at the Marriott maybe they walked in the opposite direction from the HI to ensure a few moments alone - where exactly are the fisherman's huts?
I'm with the person a minute ago who suggested PVDS may have accomplished what they originally arrested him to do.

Indeed...it may be that Joran has finally confessed to what really happened that night.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
I agree charlotte.  I hope I was able to clarify what I meant.  I did not mean to open up a can of worms by being misunderstood


I understood what you mean't--that short of rape, no consenual sex would have occured.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
IMO this judge from Caraçao has decided enough is enough and put a halt to the roundup.

I'm afraid all they have is the conflicting stories from the three boys with no evidence of what actually happened... enough to raise suspicions but not enough to build a case. Let's hope Equusearch can find her!


Agreed, except I think the Aruban police and FBI should be leading the search. It seems like they gave up searching already... :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.





I believe you Dash...I do...God Bless you hon..I dont care what people think of my theory or speculation.. OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTTHOLES..EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE...and i beleive he is guilty too....its a gut feeling, and I just feel what i feel..but i can almost promise its him that knows....I just hurt so much for you and her friends and her family... :cry:





[/b]AS WE ALL DO I am personally sick to my stomach of the idea of a girl who went on a vacation to have a good time before getting into life as we know it, and goes missing WITHOUT WANTING TO.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 06:05:00 PM
Who was the psychic who said yesterday that instead of "fresh eyes" a new judge could mean release of suspects?  The release of PvS means questioning either the guilt of the suspects or the integrity of the system.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Charlotte on June 26, 2005, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.


Exactly.  And I think her parents probably feel the same way--please just tell us the TRUTH!!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2005, 06:08:15 PM
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 06:08:38 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Kipster"
PVDS released with Steve? Did I miss this?
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The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot (search) and party boat deejay Steve Gregory Croes to be released Monday at 1 p.m. in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Wow good catch.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this means that the father has accomplished what needs to be accomplished, ie.....WHERE TO FIND NH?????????


If PVDS knows where Natalee is they wouldn't be releasing him.


Maybe, but more likely, he could elicit and compel his son to say where she is and/or what happened.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PeeCee on June 26, 2005, 06:08:52 PM
FOX says that Anita says that daddy has already be released.

Here's a theory (maybe a bad one, but):

Joran calls Daddy late that night and Daddy's attitude is you got yourself out there, so find your own way back. Daddy knows nothing about Natalee and only that Joran needed a ride.

This might explain Daddy's "The Telltale Heart" sweating during the Greta interview. Daddy now feels guilty for not picking up his son.

You know, it was all Momma's fault because she went to Holland (and returned to Kafka Land) that Joran even went out that night. So it's also all Daddy's fault for not picking up Sonny Boy.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ian on June 26, 2005, 06:08:56 PM
Paul van der sloot RELEASED

(http://thepoliticalteen.net/images/releasevander.jpg)

Will have video up any moment at my blog:

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/paulrealsed/


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:09:33 PM
Quote from: "Ian"
Paul van der sloot RELEASED

<img src='http://thepoliticalteen.net/images/releasevander.jpg' alt='' />

Will have video up any moment at my blog:

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/paulrealsed/[/img]


Thanks Ian :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:09:44 PM
Is it possible that the truth can't be told:

Follow this logic. If there are 3 versions or more of the truth. There could have been multiple agendas starting at 3am. With no body and the knowledge no body can be found. The truth of a some would not be the truths of others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 06:09:58 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:10:09 PM
With these releases it appears that all this PRESSURE they have put on the main suspect(Joran) has not worked. Either Joran is INNOCENT or he can stand lots of physcological punishment. Think about it he has been in custoday with daily 11 hour interrogations for 2 weeks. The only thing they have on Joran and the 2 boys is that they fabricated the Location as to where they left Natalee.  Other than that no one knows what is going on in this case.
 The big question will be if Steven Croes and Paulus VD Sloot will be able to talk to the Media about what has transpired the last few days.


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
He told Joran not to talk because it was standard legal advice.
If in deed they did get dropped at the Marriott maybe they walked in the opposite direction from the HI to ensure a few moments alone - where exactly are the fisherman's huts?
I'm with the person a minute ago who suggested PVDS may have accomplished what they originally arrested him to do.


Must be a North East thing.....hehehe....way of thinking. ^5


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ian on June 26, 2005, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Ian"
Paul van der sloot RELEASED

<img src='http://thepoliticalteen.net/images/releasevander.jpg' alt='' />

Will have video up any moment at my blog:

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/26/paulrealsed/[/img]


Thanks Ian :)



np


Title: Paul's realease
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:11:02 PM
so now we know that the inexperienced prosecutors were over reaching in taking paul v/d sloot in.  the judge found they have no reasonable suspicion to hold him on suspicion of the named offenses based on the evidence presented.  this is a real setback for the prosecution.  back to square one.  where is natalee?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 06:11:18 PM
I just said it this afternoon that they will release him,. his 48 hours is up and they have nothing incriminating against him if he`s working for the law or not. I think that`s just the reason they pick him up also to avoid people thinking they would cover up


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 06:11:31 PM
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


You see the problem with you , (and a lot of other people in here) is that you start with an assumption and then try to find evidence to support it. What you should be doing is looking at the evidence first and work from there.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:12:07 PM
Hi there,

I understand you are a friend of natalees , obviously you have more acces to information as I do . I just try to imagine all scenarios possible with the information or rumours I have at my dispossal.Not to insult but to find out what happend. I can imagine that you feel insulted or desillusioned when somebody is not taking for granted the friend you know, my reaction would be the same I guess when I am in your shoes and we would be having a discussion about a friend of mine..

 The reason why I joined this blog as I am eager as all others including you to find out what happend to her. And to keep her spirit alive.
And I feel by joining this blog with many others I contribute to the pressure on authorities to do everything possible to find her.

If I have offended you my sincere apologies.


Jeroen

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:12:09 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...

Let's stress the part that he drank, gambled, and partied at CnC's illegally...he is only 17, and he and his parents knew he was doing these illegal things.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:12:23 PM
There is always the possibility that these 3 are innocent.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:12:26 PM
Quote
He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or really anyone else for that matter. He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


Yet he is shy/quiet around the MB group and she introduces herself to him?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mehill10 on June 26, 2005, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: "PeeCee"
FOX says that Anita says that daddy has already be released.

Here's a theory (maybe a bad one, but):

Joran calls Daddy late that night and Daddy's attitude is you got yourself out there, so find your own way back. Daddy knows nothing about Natalee and only that Joran needed a ride.

This might explain Daddy's "The Telltale Heart" sweating during the Greta interview. Daddy now feels guilty for not picking up his son.

You know, it was all Momma's fault because she went to Holland (and returned to Kafka Land) that Joran even went out that night. So it's also all Daddy's fault for not picking up Sonny Boy.



if dutch bag was walking what did he do with natelee someone had to come help him


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: haka on June 26, 2005, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
---wrote: (dash) :wink:

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the police knows it's crap... the FBI has reports from at least 100 of us saying that we were out there all night and would have seen her. Joran is lying, that's why people feel he's guilty.


100 of you at the beach at that specific time? that`s a lot, so it wasn`t quit at all then on the beach...


Makes me wonder about earlier statements according to which 'the majority' were hanging out around the hotel, HI that is, specifically the pool area... + too busy with themselves partying to have noticed anything------- suddenly they were all in a position to observe a dark stretch of beach at least 500m long... Something doesn't add up + this time it's not Joran's little story...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:12:36 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I just said it this afternoon that they will release him,. his 48 hours is up and they have nothing incriminating against him if he`s working for the law or not. I think that`s just the reason they pick him up also to avoid people thinking they would cover up


You sure did.  You'll have to let us know what the Dutch media said...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 06:13:00 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.


Excellent, Dash. At this point, I'm sure a lot would agree to just about any concession just to get her back. That's it....give her back!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: a Troll on June 26, 2005, 06:13:06 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


---  i think we are back to the cultural thing.  why would natalee going out with joran raise questions about her character.  everything i know about her speaks of good character.  Isn't a girl allowed to have fun, to venture out and explore?  How does that bring her character into question?   :roll:



What are you talking about?  


I'm referencing the fact that many have said that no matter how greata person she is, that she probably went out and had sex and did drugs and got crazy... I'm just letting people know that's not true.


--- Please don't badmouth sex or drugs.  :shock:  I have experience with both and have found them to be quite good.  Nothing wrong with an 18 year old having sex or doing drugs, especially in a country that doesn't view it as illegal.

On the other hand, I (like Tom Cruise) am totally against going crazy.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mehill10 on June 26, 2005, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
There is always the possibility that these 3 are innocent.



why all the lies if they are innocent


Title: Paulus
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:13:24 PM
somebody said it was about phone calls.  he said he was asleep.  according to phone records he talked to people that night.  judge looked at what they had and released him.  so they had nothing


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:13:33 PM
Will Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers RELEASE be NEXT ??????


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I just said it this afternoon that they will release him,. his 48 hours is up and they have nothing incriminating against him if he`s working for the law or not. I think that`s just the reason they pick him up also to avoid people thinking they would cover up


Yeah, you're smart AND pretty! :lol:

So what's going to happen next? :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


You see the problem with you , (and a lot of other people in here) is that you start with an assumption and then try to find evidence to support it. What you should be doing is looking at the evidence first and work from there.


Not really because there is no evidence anyone else is involved and JVDS did not have a car for body transport.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 06:14:38 PM
I think the problem is everyone wants Natalee's safe return...and it's been awhile.  

And the Dutch's way of doing things makes it difficult for all of us.  We're not patient.  At least I'm not.  And I wouldn't be if it was my daughter/friend!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Zazzu on June 26, 2005, 06:14:41 PM
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO[/quote]

Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


You see the problem with you , (and a lot of other people in here) is that you start with an assumption and then try to find evidence to support it. What you should be doing is looking at the evidence first and work from there.

With all due respect, Inspector, please don't say we Monkeys have "the problem".  This forum is for speculating.  Please don't attack us personally.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 06:15:11 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


Drinking at a nightclub, leaving with new freinds, or walking on the beach alone, I think are not character issues. The big character issue in my mind is that I don't see Joran or the Kalpoes as kidnappers/murderers. The only other alternative is that Natalee ran away (not likely) or someone else kidnapped her. And I don't think anyone should be talking about murder untill you find a dead body or a lot of forensic evidence. :roll:


People are reasonably presumed dead if they disappear under questionable circumstances and there is no evidence that they are alive.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mordred on June 26, 2005, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"



I believe you Dash...I do...God Bless you hon..I dont care what people think of my theory or speculation.. OPINIONS ARE LIKE :cry:


Dash -
I want you to know that 99% of us are on this forum because we care about Natalle & feel for all you guys! That being said, when we speculate about her actions, we are in no way intending any harm to her character. We speak out of experience as people.

I live in a city with lots of American teenage tourists  who come here because our legal drinking age is almost non-existent. I cannot tell you how many times I've given a girl a ride when she just met me sometimes with my friends in the car.

As for knowing what someone will do in unusual circumstances - a friend who I've known for 12years did something last year which I would never have thought in my wildest dreams!! Not even her mother cold have predicted that. We must explore all avenues, especially in a very unusual situation like this one.  We all feel for you.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:15:40 PM
Quote from: "Zazzu"
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?[/quote]

I was gonna ask that same question...anybody got a link?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
I am afraid my comment that was qouted at teh top of page 39 has been misunderstood by some.  I know Natalee would not have sex and this guy could not accept that.  I am sorry for any confusion


mine as well. I was not talking about Natalee. I was speaking about most teenage girls. I don't know Natalee, other that what her family and friends have said about her, and I believe them.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: "PoorPaulaNNJ"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.


Excellent, Dash. At this point, I'm sure a lot would agree to just about any concession just to get her back. That's it....give her back!


dash, you met joran?  what was he like on first impression?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


---  i think we are back to the cultural thing.  why would natalee going out with joran raise questions about her character.  everything i know about her speaks of good character.  Isn't a girl allowed to have fun, to venture out and explore?  How does that bring her character into question?   :roll:



What are you talking about?  


I'm referencing the fact that many have said that no matter how greata person she is, that she probably went out and had sex and did drugs and got crazy... I'm just letting people know that's not true.


--- Please don't badmouth sex or drugs.  :shock:  I have experience with both and have found them to be quite good.  Nothing wrong with an 18 year old having sex or doing drugs, especially in a country that doesn't view it as illegal.

On the other hand, I (like Tom Cruise) am totally against going crazy.


I've met Hunter Thompson and you're no Hunter Thompson...you just misquoted him.  (yes, I have really met him)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Hi there,

I understand you are a friend of natalees , obviously you have more acces to information as I do . I just try to imagine all scenarios possible not insult but to find out what happend. I can imagine that you feel insulted or desillusioned when somebody is not taking for granted the friend you know, my reaction would be the same I guess when I am in your shoes and we would be having a discussion about a friend of mine..

 The reason why I joined this blog as I am eager as all others including you to find out what happend to her. And to keep her spirit alive.
And I feel by joining this blog with many others I contribute to the pressure on authorities to do everything possible to find her.

If I have offended you my sincere apologies.


Jeroen Hans v. Rixel

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.




Thank you for your sincerity.  It really is approciated.  I understand if you legitamitely want to find Nat... that's my main goal, too.
It is just hard to see her further victimized by speculation that has nothing to back it up... rumors fly quickly and once released, they are hard to catch, even if they are totally unfounded.  
Please continue to think about what you say before you say it... actions have consequences and people have feelings.

Thank you for being less stubborn than me!  haha  :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wantsanswers on June 26, 2005, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "KKM"
I know these people... this isn't true.  This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth.
Ditto.[/quote]

http://www.vcresearch.info/open/forums.asp?TopicId=4576&ForumId=70

This is a quoting of the facts of the Laundering. Many portions of this THEORY are true.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with the family!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 26, 2005, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "absolut"
"unusual circumstances"

This has my interest piqued.

Please tell me this is as simple as previous scenarios. [/b]



People have just said that because she was away from home, her character might have done a 180... not likely!


---  i think we are back to the cultural thing.  why would natalee going out with joran raise questions about her character.  everything i know about her speaks of good character.  Isn't a girl allowed to have fun, to venture out and explore?  How does that bring her character into question?   :roll:



What are you talking about?  


I'm referencing the fact that many have said that no matter how greata person she is, that she probably went out and had sex and did drugs and got crazy... I'm just letting people know that's not true.


Once again.. our hearts go out to you as her friend.... As I stated before. it is hard for you to read posts here I am sure.. good or bad.. speculations/whatnot.. We all want the samething.. for her to return safe and sound..! For her to be reunited with her family and friends....
I dont know if ANYONE will ever know the whole truth. UNKLESS one of the disphits confess to something  OR they dont know anyhitng concrete.. I wolred for a PD department for years.. Missing persons.. etc.. it is hard on everyone..  !! EVEN the LE involved that have details but srnt allowed to open their mouths.. I have been in that position myself and it sucks.. TRUST ME..!!    I am in sincere when I say I hope your friend is found.. and hopefull alive at that.  TWe ALL want to think positive... people have been complimenting you as well... Be proud!!  You have done a great job on here and on tv..!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 06:16:32 PM
and then there were three

and those three will continue to be detained another 8 days

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html


Title: Re: Paulus
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
somebody said it was about phone calls.  he said he was asleep.  according to phone records he talked to people that night.  judge looked at what they had and released him.  so they had nothing


But by virtue of what you said, they did have something: he lied.  Why would he lie for no reason?  Is the whole "honesty when innocent" concept uniquely (and perhaps naively) American?  Thought it was universal.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 26, 2005, 06:17:32 PM
I hate to be the naysayer, but at this point, it looks like the entire case is about to melt down.  Joran and the two brothers have maintained their innocence (rightly or wrongly) and the pressure of having Paulus in jail has been taken off.  If these guys haven't cracked in two weeks of pretty much non-stop interrogation, they're probably not going to.

Whatever evidence the authorities collected from the cars and home of the VDS family can't be too compelling or they'd have laid the charges on them by now.

Unless there is a discovery of a body or she miraculously turns up alive.  This one may not get solved at all.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kipster on June 26, 2005, 06:17:53 PM
GuyWDog:
>>With these releases it appears that all this PRESSURE they have put on the main suspect(Joran) has not worked

Unfortunately, I think that's where they are now. Joran's not cracking, sure PVDS will testify, essentially he already has. They desperately need a body.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"

--- Please don't badmouth sex or drugs.  :shock:  I have experience with both and have found them to be quite good.  Nothing wrong with an 18 year old having sex or doing drugs, especially in a country that doesn't view it as illegal.

On the other hand, I (like Tom Cruise) am totally against going crazy.


Folks, I think we have the "post of the day"! Bravo! :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mordred on June 26, 2005, 06:18:18 PM
This just in from riehlworlview.com

4:30 PM Update On Aruba Search

As regards reports of Natalee Holloway having previously "run away" - one to return to another caribbean island - perhaps Jamaica? ... she has never been to that island, or on the speculated trip. The only report of her ever trying to run away I could confirm was when she was three years old and attempted to unlock the screen door of her home from the inside.

The search is on going with no significant developments. Something "interesting" was spotted below the water in one of the quarries but a subsequent dive turned up nothing of significance.......


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2005, 06:18:27 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


Arrogant - one of the postings here suggested he was quiet at the gambling table - trouble maker - did he initiate the fight with your friend - did he lie about his age to Natalie outright (drinking under age would not be out of the ordinary given his physical stature and perhaps the custom in the locale - I am just musing about that) - sometimes when people appear haughty they are in fact feeling inferior - again because he was in where he was underage could he have been trying to overcompensate, look more of a player than he was - I am postulating these questions not because I am questioning you or your judgment rather wondering if there was more to his demeanor or interation which would further support your assessment.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wwizard on June 26, 2005, 06:18:32 PM
Respectfully, girls like jerks better than nice guys...........


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:18:58 PM
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050615/capt.aru10906152234.aruba_missing_teen_aru109.jpg)


GWDog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
GuyWDog:
>>With these releases it appears that all this PRESSURE they have put on the main suspect(Joran) has not worked

Unfortunately, I think that's where they are now. Joran's not cracking, sure PVDS will testify, essentially he already has. They desperately need a body.


Hence the authorities comments to the leader of the Texas search team.  Oh my, what a mess...


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Zazzu"
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?


I was gonna ask that same question...anybody got a link?[/quote]

They had video footage of all of them leaving the court on CNN.  I will try to find a link, but somebody else will probably beat me to it. :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...



I got the same feeling  just from the pictures i saw online..and remember monkeys, it is JUST a feeling..unlike Dash, i have never met him..but i do know men (boys) like him...to me its that whole Scott Peterson persona..that, "I am God's gift to women, and I can make them do whatever I want"....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 06:19:57 PM
Tried to leave the mountain and see a movie, it was sold out so I'm baaaccckkkkkk.

They let Dad go?  Hmmmmmm, maybe their purpose was achieved?  Wonder if the kid talked????  If not, this makes no sense!!!

What about Satish?  I keep worrying about that kid.  And Depak?  Jeez.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "bendex"
What paul is being released ???????

Quote from: "absolut"
Just for the record PVDS being released blows my theory and I am ok with that.

The down side is the list of theorys actually gets bigger with these 2 developments.


Yeah, things that make you go hmmm....Biggest issue with that, there goes the second car. So the brothers have to still be lying.


You see the problem with you , (and a lot of other people in here) is that you start with an assumption and then try to find evidence to support it. What you should be doing is looking at the evidence first and work from there.


Not really because there is no evidence anyone else is involved and JVDS did not have a car for body transport.


So maybe JVDS didn't kidnap/murder Natalee? :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 06:20:24 PM
haka wrote:

Quote
Makes me wonder about earlier statements according to which 'the majority' were hanging out around the hotel, HI that is, specifically the pool area... + too busy with themselves partying to have noticed anything------- suddenly they were all in a position to observe a dark stretch of beach at least 500m long... Something doesn't add up + this time it's not Joran's little story



Not to put the blame wherever, but it`s leaves me wondering also.....
I can understand the emotions of dash and that she is defending her girlfriend, but in this story you see that we don`t again not now the whole picture here...!! Because there were speculations about mariott 3 miles from Hi, now we here it`s just a couple of minutes dash walked it herself the day before...she said. We heard about only a few people by the pool that night, dash said 100 or so out on the beach and around... so This proves to me that we didn`t hear jack about everything what was going on! I hope they find natalee soon my heart breaks with all the pain these people have to suffer


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: scared-tom on June 26, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.

I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
With these releases it appears that all this PRESSURE they have put on the main suspect(Joran) has not worked. Either Joran is INNOCENT or he can stand lots of physcological punishment. Think about it he has been in custoday with daily 11 hour interrogations for 2 weeks. The only thing they have on Joran and the 2 boys is that they fabricated the Location as to where they left Natalee.  Other than that no one knows what is going on in this case.
 The big question will be if Steven Croes and Paulus VD Sloot will be able to talk to the Media about what has transpired the last few days.


GuyWdog


OR it HAS worked! hasn't he been held over?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:21:45 PM
Paulus VD Sloot has OFFICIALLY " will be RELEASED IMMEDIATELY and is at HOME already because of LACk of sufficient cause to hold him"....BIG NEWS....HE is ALREADY BACK HOME


GuywDog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: "wwizard"
Respectfully, girls like jerks better than nice guys...........


Yeah, what's up with that? They say Charlie Manson and Scott Peterson get a lot of love letters in jail... :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: JessesMom on June 26, 2005, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I hate to be the naysayer, but at this point, it looks like the entire case is about to melt down.  Joran and the two brothers have maintained their innocence (rightly or wrongly) and the pressure of having Paulus in jail has been taken off.  If these guys haven't cracked in two weeks of pretty much non-stop interrogation, they're probably not going to.

Whatever evidence the authorities collected from the cars and home of the VDS family can't be too compelling or they'd have laid the charges on them by now.

Unless there is a discovery of a body or she miraculously turns up alive.  This one may not get solved at all.


Unfortunately, I think you're exactly right .....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote


So maybe JVDS didn't kidnap/murder Natalee? :roll:



Maybe not. But I cannot imagine how long he'll have, even if he's released and it appears that they don't have evidence.  The ramifications of this case without a body, confession or evidence don't look good for Joran, in or out of jail -- or for Aruba.  :(


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 06:22:49 PM
Quote from: "Zazzu"
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?[/quote]

On CNN just about 5 min. ago. I beleive he was the 1st one out, right before the two brothers.  Almost didn't recognise him.....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 06:22:58 PM
Quote
--- (From Dash) "Please continue to think about what you say before you say it... actions have consequences and people have feelings.


Excellent advice for everyone, Dash!  Thank you!  :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.

I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.


I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


Dash - What were the fights with the classmates about?  when did they occur?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:23:23 PM
HE DEFINITELY DOES NOT LOOK AS HAPPY AS HE ONCE DID - I remember the pic of Joran with all that cash in hand smiling away.  Now it is somewhat rougher as it should be.  

And I believe it was Ms. --- who said he should just grow up - YES HE SHOULD - He knows something more, just tell it.  People are hurting.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wwizard on June 26, 2005, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "wwizard"
Respectfully, girls like jerks better than nice guys...........


Yeah, what's up with that? They say Charlie Manson and Scott Peterson get a lot of love letters in jail... :lol:


Like the song sez "Ladies Love Outlaws"


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 06:23:46 PM
Why does Steve Croes in until tomorrow?  Yikes...this is making NO sense.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I hate to be the naysayer, but at this point, it looks like the entire case is about to melt down.  Joran and the two brothers have maintained their innocence (rightly or wrongly) and the pressure of having Paulus in jail has been taken off.  If these guys haven't cracked in two weeks of pretty much non-stop interrogation, they're probably not going to.

Whatever evidence the authorities collected from the cars and home of the VDS family can't be too compelling or they'd have laid the charges on them by now.

Unless there is a discovery of a body or she miraculously turns up alive.  This one may not get solved at all.



OH GAWWWDDD..I dont wanna be 50 years old and still sitting here with about 800, 000 posts under my belt wondering and deciphering what happened to natalee holloway..i have a hard time finding time to wash my hair now...LOL>.by then,I'll have bob marley dreads!!!!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: harleymom on June 26, 2005, 06:24:05 PM
Dash,
I think you should hold up on all this information you are sharing. Your talks with Joran and opinions of Jordan especially.
While I would love to know, I think you should stay quiet.
This is a public forum and your words will be on Fox or CNN in a heartbeat.  There is an active investigation going and we don't know the strategy in place.  You have alot of info that is known but hasn't been released for a reason.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:24:17 PM
Being arrogant doesn't make you a murderer.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Hi there,

I understand you are a friend of natalees , obviously you have more acces to information as I do . I just try to imagine all scenarios possible with the information or rumours I have at my dispossal.Not to insult but to find out what happend. I can imagine that you feel insulted or desillusioned when somebody is not taking for granted the friend you know, my reaction would be the same I guess when I am in your shoes and we would be having a discussion about a friend of mine..

 The reason why I joined this blog as I am eager as all others including you to find out what happend to her. And to keep her spirit alive.
And I feel by joining this blog with many others I contribute to the pressure on authorities to do everything possible to find her.

If I have offended you my sincere apologies.


Jeroen

Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "bendex"
With all respect for natalee , I truly hope they find her alive. Your opinion is very biased in blaming Joran and his friends . Although I have not seen any real prove yet that he is guilty . There are many scenarios possible .
You are guilty untill proven guilty. That is basic human right.



Look, Imet the kid... I saw Natalee with him... I've heard his lies.... There is no doubt in my mind taht he is guilty.  If you don't think so, that's fine... but if he knows where my friend is, I just want him to grow up and fess up.  I just want her home.

I don't even care about his punishment... God will handle that... I just want him to tell us where my friend is.  We need her back.



Bendex, nice letter, I understand what you are saying and what Dash is saying. BTW Argentina.......wow.......it always amazes me how simple this here internet thing is, that people from all over the world, all cultures can speak to one another. It is just amazing. :P


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: boxopen on June 26, 2005, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Will Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers RELEASE be NEXT ??????

Hummm... I "bet" in 1/3 of that sentence.  :wink:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: a Troll on June 26, 2005, 06:26:03 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


I gotta believe this is revisionist history.  If anyone on the trip had that vibe about Joran at the time, I'd think it would be negligent to let NH go off with him alone.   From other interviews (the O'Reilly interview with --- and some other MB teen), the other MB teen said he seemed like a totally normal guy.

My impression is that there was some shoving match with Joran and someone from MB, but we have no facts on the timing or the reasoning behind it.  As for drinking and gambling, he was sitting at the table with MB teens drinking and gambling, so nothing wrong with that.

Finally, I'd like to add gambling to the list of good things (ie sex and drugs).


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:26:18 PM
Quote
So maybe JVDS didn't kidnap/murder Natalee?


That is always the theory if you discount the current suspects.

I have no problem with that line of thinking either.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 06:26:20 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050615/capt.aru10906152234.aruba_missing_teen_aru109.jpg)


GWDog


Wow. Picture worth a thousand words. I think more developments coming, the biggest of all soon.


Title: Pandora's box
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:26:32 PM
talk about rumors not going away once spread, and demonizing and personalizing.  look what has been done to poor Paulus v/d sloot, a 53 year old man with three young kids, one in jail.  his life has been ruined by an overzealous prosecution move that a judge has now rejected.  he has been vilified as a bad parent, a liar, a corrupt official, a gambler and a drinker, a nocturnal body disposer and now he has to live with all of that because he was taken in response to unbearable pressure from the family and the US media.  I have warned from day one that you have to let the Arubans handle this like they know how.  To do otherwise is to risk missteps.  We have just seen two more.  We are up to four now.   I want to congratulate all the fellow Monkeys who warned that we should not prejudge this case until the facts justify it.  You were all vindicated today.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: mojo on June 26, 2005, 06:26:39 PM
very good advice, Dash! goodnite and take care of yourself!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
I hate to be the naysayer, but at this point, it looks like the entire case is about to melt down.  Joran and the two brothers have maintained their innocence (rightly or wrongly) and the pressure of having Paulus in jail has been taken off.  If these guys haven't cracked in two weeks of pretty much non-stop interrogation, they're probably not going to.

Whatever evidence the authorities collected from the cars and home of the VDS family can't be too compelling or they'd have laid the charges on them by now.
 Gerben a Dutch laywer on this blog said that this is standard procedure in high profile cases like this. Turning every stone related to the suspects.

Unless there is a discovery of a body or she miraculously turns up alive.  This one may not get solved at all.


I am afraid that the prosecuters do not have much of a case eighter.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
Being arrogant doesn't make you a murderer.


NO BEING ARROGANT DOESN'T MAKE A MURDERER HOWEVER One's character is always tried and true.  Someone who has been cold is most likely still cold.  Someone who doesn't care about others probably still doesn't care about others.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Red on June 26, 2005, 06:27:36 PM
If you have not seen it already we have the Fox news video courtesy of the politcal teen on the front page ... scroll down.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: coco on June 26, 2005, 06:27:39 PM
must say I'm impressed with the Aruban authorities if they are willing to release PVDS given all the pressure that must be hitting them ... looks to me like they are actually following the law.

and Nickebnurse -- I'm already past 50 but the image of 800,000 posts, dreads and all really frightened me :shock:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


Title: Re: Pandora's box
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:27:51 PM
I am with you 100 procent .

Quote from: "iquitos"
talk about rumors not going away once spread, and demonizing and personalizing.  look what has been done to poor Paulus v/d sloot, a 53 year old man with three young kids, one in jail.  his life has been ruined by an overzealous prosecution move that a judge has now rejected.  he has been vilified as a bad parent, a liar, a corrupt official, a gambler and a drinker, a nocturnal body disposer and now he has to live with all of that because he was taken in response to unbearable pressure from the family and the US media.  I have warned from day one that you have to let the Arubans handle this like they know how.  To do otherwise is to risk missteps.  We have just seen two more.  We are up to four now.   I want to congratulate all the fellow Monkeys who warned that we should not prejudge this case until the facts justify it.  You were all vindicated today.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050615/capt.aru10906152234.aruba_missing_teen_aru109.jpg)


GWDog


This pic' is NOT of him leaving TODAY


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
The only thing they have on Joran and the 2 boys is that they fabricated the Location as to where they left Natalee.  Other than that no one knows what is going on in this case.
 
GuyWdog


The other things they have on Joran:

He implicated 2 innocent security guards with a person's disappearance.
He asked two friends to lie for him.
He lied when he said Deepak picked him up after he and Natalee were alone on the beach.
He lied when he said Satish picked him up after he and Natalee were alone on the beach.

So, basically, he uses people.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nancy_drew on June 26, 2005, 06:28:46 PM
Looking on the bright side. Maybe the kid talked, they've got further evidence and they are waiting to see if a body turns up before filing charges.  The dad might know the kid is doomed so he's going cover his ass and protect the rest of his family.

OK, this is probably fantasy...but, for some reason I have to believe LE isn't all that out of it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:29:05 PM
ALSO I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PROFESSOR Who was speaking about behaviors.  I know a younger woman who has had some problems and there is a certain amount of anger that goes with it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:29:07 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Why does Steve Croes in until tomorrow?  Yikes...this is making NO sense.


It is based on the cycles of whether the are under the 2 day, or 8 day part. I have heard tomorrow is day 8 for Mr. Croes.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 26, 2005, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Paulus VD Sloot has OFFICIALLY " will be RELEASED IMMEDIATELY and is at HOME already because of LACk of sufficient cause to hold him"....BIG NEWS....HE is ALREADY BACK HOME


GuywDog


I understand he agreed to testify against his son...nice.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:29:32 PM
How do you know he's cold? Maybe he's not "breaking" because he's telling the truth.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:29:49 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"

--- Please don't badmouth sex or drugs.  :shock:  I have experience with both and have found them to be quite good.  Nothing wrong with an 18 year old having sex or doing drugs, especially in a country that doesn't view it as illegal.

On the other hand, I (like Tom Cruise) am totally against going crazy.


Tom isn't against GOING crazy, he is in FAVOR going and staying crazy.  :shock: lolol

sorry absolut...OT......no more Tom posts tonite. :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: arrabba on June 26, 2005, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Britney on June 26, 2005, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Zazzu"
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?


I was gonna ask that same question...anybody got a link?[/quote]

HI! I've been lurking for awhile as well; I was going to ask the same question. Acutally I was going to ask lots of questions, but it seems as I scrolled through the pages most of my questions had been answered.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


I gotta believe this is revisionist history.  If anyone on the trip had that vibe about Joran at the time, I'd think it would be negligent to let NH go off with him alone.   From other interviews (the O'Reilly interview with --- and some other MB teen), the other MB teen said he seemed like a totally normal guy.

My impression is that there was some shoving match with Joran and someone from MB, but we have no facts on the timing or the reasoning behind it.  As for drinking and gambling, he was sitting at the table with MB teens drinking and gambling, so nothing wrong with that.

Finally, I'd like to add gambling to the list of good things (ie sex and drugs).
 

Troll, you forgot lying about your age.  this boy is only 17 and 10 months.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:30:24 PM
But murder is a huge step[

quote="Sleeks"]
Quote from: "Marie"
Being arrogant doesn't make you a murderer.


NO BEING ARROGANT DOESN'T MAKE A MURDERER HOWEVER One's character is always tried and true.  Someone who has been cold is most likely still cold.  Someone who doesn't care about others probably still doesn't care about others.[/quote]


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
...As for drinking and gambling, he was sitting at the table with MB teens drinking and gambling, so nothing wrong with that.

You're right.  But the MB teens were of legal age and Joran was NOT, for the record.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:31:24 PM
Britney thanks for reading all the other posts :) Welcome!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 26, 2005, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "sandraK"
GuyWdog
still waiting on the people to applogise to Croes for the SICK stuff you wrote about him !!!!!!!!!!!!!

me ,too :D


 WELL  I can HONESTLY say I have never said ANYTHING sick about your friend Steve Croes or anyone else for that matter.. YOU want apologies.. which is fine. BUT still wont coment on why SC is your BABY . OR if you know the other 3 people??  Tit FOR Tat.. Damn... I dont want to argue......... I hate arguing.. BUT not ALL of us here said SICK comments about your BABY Steve.. ONLY speculations made since he was an operator of a boat is ALL I ever heard..and that isnt sick sounding to me.. IMO...  you have a teenage girl missing.. dipshits that dont know their ass form a hole in the ground.. Lies Lies Lies.. and then have someone who has acsess to a boat then involved??   Its no nwonder people here MAY have thought he was involved in some way.. I am happy for the dude that hes getting out.. I dont believe in holding an innocent person in jail oif they have nothing to do with what is going on!!!  If you want apologies.. then why not say WHY he is your baby.. ??????????  DAMN![/quote]

I second that Angie...I never said a negative word about Steve...or any of them for that matter cause I don't KNOW what happened....none of us do....but when someone makes a remark such as the one about MY BABY....I wonder...whhhaatttttt??  who else do you know??  And why not answer?  And then why look for apolgies for anything anyone might have said about your friend?  Oh well.....


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: "Mom in Ark"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Paulus VD Sloot has OFFICIALLY " will be RELEASED IMMEDIATELY and is at HOME already because of LACk of sufficient cause to hold him"....BIG NEWS....HE is ALREADY BACK HOME


GuywDog


I understand he agreed to testify against his son...nice.


As far as we know, he hasn't agreed to testify against his son, he has waived the right to NOT testify, which is slightly different.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Lausa on June 26, 2005, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
...she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO... I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.
 Sorry, but it happens all the time.....


Well, Natalee isn't like that... she's the same girl no matter where she is


---------------

Dash, even though I've never met you in person, I totally trust your reading of Natalee's character; "she's the same girl no matter where she is," has conviction, the ring of truth, etc.  If you say NATATLEE wouldn't do something, I believe you.

Katya, no kidding, "it happens," as you say! There is something liberating about knowing that you have a degree of anonimity not available at home.  And it doesn't always turn out badly!  Sometimes it leads to adventure.  Shoot, I never would have gotten to have the first hand tour of Napoli if I hadn't accepted an invitation from Sergio, an employee of the cruise line.  He took me places they don't put in Fodors but that's another story and I really was glad when I got back safe and sound onboard the ship.  Really a llong time ago though, world more intense now.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:32:57 PM
Thats true also .


Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
The only thing they have on Joran and the 2 boys is that they fabricated the Location as to where they left Natalee.  Other than that no one knows what is going on in this case.
 
GuyWdog


The other things they have on Joran:

He implicated 2 innocent security guards with a person's disappearance.
He asked two friends to lie for him.
He lied when he said Deepak picked him up after he and Natalee were alone on the beach.
He lied when he said Satish picked him up after he and Natalee were alone on the beach.

So, basically, he uses people.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:33:12 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
How do you know he's cold? Maybe he's not "breaking" because he's telling the truth.


I AM SPEAKING ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR PRIOR to all of this.  And it is true he was nice to Mrs. Holloway-Twitty.  I personally say, if it were me and I was innocent being accused of something I didn't do.  I would be civilized especially to the victim's (kidnapped or murdered) family.  Realizing they are in tremendous pain.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 26, 2005, 06:33:27 PM
Ooooohhh!  My fiance is pulling me out of the house by my ponytail to go to dinner. Dang him!
Take care, All.
See you later.
Wish my wireless card could pick up signal from restaurant.......darn it.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050615/capt.aru10906152234.aruba_missing_teen_aru109.jpg)


GWDog


is this from today?  He still has that same damn shirt. Although in this pic it looks purple and white.  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KKM on June 26, 2005, 06:34:25 PM
Is Joran wearing that SAME damn blue shirt again?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: HannieC on June 26, 2005, 06:34:26 PM
I don`t know who posted the picture but it is an old one....

I know you all like the shirt thing but...... now I am LMAO


And my dear monkeyfriends trying to catch up here every time i post a reply you are 10 pages ahead of me ....whooe now I know where the headaches are coming from.. :D

And now I`ll go and take a look at dutch news, in case anyone wonders why I`m not so up to date of that........, BECAUSE I`M GLUED TO SCARED MONKEYS A FEW WEEKS NOW DID`NT SEE TV HERE OR NEWS....
 :oops:  :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Kipster on June 26, 2005, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Will Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers RELEASE be NEXT ??????

Hummm... I "bet" in 1/3 of that sentence.  :wink:


I don't know.....the only ones left are the 3 that reportedly lied to police. Starting to wonder if that's all they really have on them. Wow, hadn't seriously pondered all 3 being released until now GuyWDog. Though it won't be any time soon, it is an ugly possibility.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:34:40 PM
This thread will lock in 3 pages.

Your friiendly heads up :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Britney on June 26, 2005, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Britney thanks for reading all the other posts :) Welcome!


Thank you!  :)


Title: Joran's profile
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
Joran:  
He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or really anyone else for that matter. He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...  

there were two reported scuffles, one outside the club and one in the casino.  what were they about? why did the MB kids and Joran clash?  Was he hitting on other MB girls?   Was he beating the guys at poker?   Could Joran hold his own?  Did he have homies with him?  Were they reported to hotel security?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it. :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: --- on June 26, 2005, 06:35:20 PM
I cant deal with this anymore.  I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't.  I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you.  Please continue to pray for her safe return...  Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty.  This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive!  Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.  

---


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:36:17 PM
Aruba is under tremendous pressure to arrest someone in this. Has been since the media frenzy. If it wasn't for the media, I don't even think they would be looking for this girl. I'm still not convinced that JVS did anything wrong. He lied, but maybe he panicked? He's only a kid. Just a guess.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:36:25 PM
That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it.

Actually, the reason I have a bad feeling is for the family. To come this far over the last several weeks and then be back at square 1 or 2 can't be any fun.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: a Troll on June 26, 2005, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "a Troll"
...As for drinking and gambling, he was sitting at the table with MB teens drinking and gambling, so nothing wrong with that.

You're right.  But the MB teens were of legal age and Joran was NOT, for the record.

For the record, I started drinking at 16.  And since I was underage and unable to get into bars, my frineds and I would drive around town drinking.  Traffic was quite busy on Friday and Saturday nights in my small town, due to all the underage drinkers cruising the main drag  :wink:

I'm guessing that wouldn't be so politically correct these days, but it seemed like the norm back then, and my guess is that 99% of the kids doing it were good kids.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it. :roll:


Umm he is involved that is fairly certain, you don't lie if you are innocent.   You don't lie and accuse two others if you are innocent.  You don't change your story three times if youare innocent.  I don't know what Joran did, but if he is completely innocent I would be shocked.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: "HannieC"
I don`t know who posted the picture but it is an old one....

I know you all like the shirt thing but...... now I am LMAO


And my dear monkeyfriends trying to catch up here every time i post a reply you are 10 pages ahead of me ....whooe now I know where the headaches are coming from.. :D

And now I`ll go and take a look at dutch news, in case anyone wonders why I`m not so up to date of that........, BECAUSE I`M GLUED TO SCARED MONKEYS A FEW WEEKS NOW DID`NT SEE TV HERE OR NEWS....
 :oops:  :lol:
 

Hannie,  stay on the crest of the wave or you will never catch up.  keep us informed about the Dutch news.  the story seems to be catching on there too.  did you see nova show?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:38:16 PM
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: candygirl on June 26, 2005, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: "Britney"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Zazzu"
....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Where did you see a phot of Joran leaving the court house today?


I was gonna ask that same question...anybody got a link?


HI! I've been lurking for awhile as well; I was going to ask the same question. Acutally I was going to ask lots of questions, but it seems as I scrolled through the pages most of my questions had been answered.[/quote]
As I posted earlier, CNN   Watch news at 45min after the hr or at the top oof the hr.....I'm sure they'll show him again


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it. :roll:

Once again, Inspector, please don't attack your fellow Monkeys.  I personally have never said I think the van der Sloots killed Natalee.  I have stated several times that I have not decided on a theory yet.  So, please, stop attacking other posters.  Thank you  :D


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:39:31 PM
SO INSPECTOR WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED???


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050615/capt.aru10906152234.aruba_missing_teen_aru109.jpg)


GWDog


is this from today?  He still has that same damn shirt. Although in this pic it looks purple and white.  :lol:

No...this is not a picture from today...this is from a prior court hearing.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: RB on June 26, 2005, 06:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I imagine Dash is tired of questions - I know I would be if I were her.  It's gotta be tough being in MB now, what will allt he questions, speculation and innuendo here there and everywhere.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: GuyWdog on June 26, 2005, 06:40:24 PM
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-MBHScool Kid Wrote"The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty."

 This statement is following the party line. I have heard Jug Twity say the same thing many times. Just way too much scripting to be believeable....i think she has made the correct decission to not post on here, her statements could be used against her. i alwsy thought it would be best if these kids kept quite, but for the life of me couldnt understnad why their parents let them speak out. I know I wouldnt let my kids say antyhing and woould wanr them to keep quite, just like Paulus VD Sloot told his son.



guyWdog


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:40:41 PM
I've been to Aruba at least 4-5 times in my life. I also did underage drinking (there and home here in NY). It doesn't make me a bad person. I'm 23 now and will be returning to Aruba next month. (I'm legal now...lol)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: "---"
I cant deal with this anymore.  I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't.  I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you.  Please continue to pray for her safe return...  Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty.  This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive!  Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.  

---

Thanks for all you have contributed to Scaredmonkeys!  Take care of yourself, Dash.  We care for and respect you and continue to pray for the best.  :)


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.


PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MY EARLIER POSTS I liked --- and feel very sorry for that entire group.  Others who kept arguing are the ones she finally got fed up with.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:42:17 PM
A staggering eye opener is to go back to the RBN archive and read some of the earliest thread. I could quote from them today and you would not know the difference. The theorys are the same, the characters are the same. It is just 3 weeks later. Something just doesn't sit right about that.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I imagine Dash is tired of questions - I know I would be if I were her.  It's gotta be tough being in MB now, what will allt he questions, speculation and innuendo here there and everywhere.


Questions have nothing to do with it.  It is the personal attacks on Natalee.  And yes there are some, it is not all just people trying to figure out what happened.  A lot of it is people making extremely insulting and baseless claims and speculations about a person they dont know.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 26, 2005, 06:42:58 PM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
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So maybe JVDS didn't kidnap/murder Natalee? :roll:



Maybe not. But I cannot imagine how long he'll have, even if he's released and it appears that they don't have evidence.  The ramifications of this case without a body, confession or evidence don't look good for Joran, in or out of jail -- or for Aruba.  :(


well...still "something bad happened"
Joran doen't know what bad happened after he last saw her
or then he refuses to say it.  And now daddy may have had nothing to do with it.  So, back to the brothers and something bad?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 26, 2005, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!


Have your kids ever been out past curfew?  Man I am going to chew *** out when she gets in and ground her tail.  Gut reaction.  Two hour later you're just glad she came home.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tiptoes on June 26, 2005, 06:43:01 PM
Dash,

I am truly sorry about the behavior of others on this blog.  And they should be ashamed.  I agree with you.  The ignorance or maliciousness has no place ANYWHERE!!  I, for one, will continue to pray for Natalee's safe return and also know Joran has knowledge of her whereabouts.  Be strong and my prayers are with you.  You have been through too much!

 
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I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

---


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Britney on June 26, 2005, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!


I also wanted to add, something AVDS said in her interview with Greta; she stated when she went to visit Joran, he said something about he is reading the Bible that a nice man gave him, and said something to the effect that his mom probably never thought she would see him reading the Bible. He also said to his Mom that this place isn't that bad. To me, that isn't something a person that is not guilty would say. I know if I was accused of something I didn't do, I would be really irrated and want out of jail, probably pleading that I didn't do anything!

He seems a little to laid back to me. JMO.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wantsanswers on June 26, 2005, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it. :roll:


According to reports from the Aruban paper the detectives think they went to the lighthouse and they all wanted to have sex with her, she struggled and they murdered her. They feel the body is on the water.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 26, 2005, 06:43:36 PM
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GWDog


is this from today?  He still has that same damn shirt. Although in this pic it looks purple and white.  :lol:

No...this is not a picture from today...this is from a prior court hearing.


By the way, he was wearing a white shirt today.   :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: newshound on June 26, 2005, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "bobcats1996"
sorry but if I would have to say after hearing about Natalee any sex that occurred was because this animal forced her. she would not have consented under any circumstances


WOULD AGREE TOO  She is after all on an island away from home.  I don't know any girls that age that voluntarily go with someone they just met.


Sorry, but it happens all the time. I live in a tourist town and the local boys here are hooking up w/ tourist girls on a regular basis. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, one of our friends who is a bartender at a beach bar brought a girl about Natalees age over to my house to hang around the pool and smoke a joint. He'd met her that same day. She was a nice girl, too.



Well, Natalee isn't like that. Ive known her long enough to know that she wouldn't ever do anything like that... I was with her on the trip, I know how she acted even in "unusual circumstances"... she's the same girl no matter where she is
In another decade or so, you'll understand that none of those comments are intended to inpugn the reputation of your dear friend.  It's simply that folks older than you are very very very very aware that IF Natalee had fallen head over heels in love with JVDS, that in such state there often is NO logical accounting or rational decisions upon which behavior is based.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Catriana on June 26, 2005, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: "a Troll"
Quote from: "---"
Quote from: "sandy"
------ maybe you could elaborate - I don't think I have ever seen you put this in print - I met him , I saw him with her and I am sure he is guilty - what exactly convinces you of this - it must be a fairly strong conviction.


He is arrogant... a trouble-maker... he fought my classmates, lied about his age, drank, gambled, and shows no respect for women, or  really anyone else for that matter.  He just gives off this whole "I'm untouchable" persona.... I think he thinks he's invincible and doesn't care about who he hurts...


I gotta believe this is revisionist history.  If anyone on the trip had that vibe about Joran at the time, I'd think it would be negligent to let NH go off with him alone.   From other interviews (the O'Reilly interview with --- and some other MB teen), the other MB teen said he seemed like a totally normal guy.


I agree regarding the "revisionist" comment.   It's not unusual for witnesses to be effected by what they read and hear.  I believe that some of what Dash may now "recall" most likely has been tainted by all she has witnessed since the last time she saw Natalee.     Certainly, not criticizing, Dash....  but it's just what happens when confronted by so much media and speculation.   There will most likely come a time down the road, where the witnesses can't remember what they really saw and what they were told they probably saw.    It's one of the reasons why juries are sometimes sequested.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.


PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MY EARLIER POSTS I liked --- and feel very sorry for that entire group.  Others who kept arguing are the ones she finally got fed up with.


Ok good, I though you were being sarcastic, but thankfully I was wrong.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 06:44:33 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
I've been to Aruba at least 4-5 times in my life. I also did underage drinking (there and home here in NY). It doesn't make me a bad person. I'm 23 now and will be returning to Aruba next month. (I'm legal now...lol)


I did plenty of underage drinking from the age of 15 to 21. In college, there was a bar right next to our dorm that regularly served to underage college students when they knew the state Liquor Control agents weren't in town.

I bet the majority of posters here drank before they were legally supposed to. Or am I the only one?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:44:33 PM
In the whole case my biggest questions are,



- 1. Why lie about dropping of Natalee at the holiday inn

- 2. How did Joran went home from the ashasi beach was he picked up
      Or did he walk home?

- 3. Have they  actually been to the light house .

- 4. Who and Why wrote the deepak email.

- 5. Why did she leave her purse with cash in the hotel


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:44:57 PM
Why does this Dash person say she "knows" he's guilty? Did the Aruban police tell her something they didn't tell the public? Or is she just assuming he did it...much like almost everyone else.
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At this point, it could well be wishful thinking.  Natalee is Dash's friend and emotions run high.    I'm sure that the Aruban authorities are not telling Dash any more information than they are telling anyone else.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 26, 2005, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: "Britney"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!


I also wanted to add, something AVDS said in her interview with Greta; she stated when she went to visit Joran, he said something about he is reading the Bible that a nice man gave him, and said something to the effect that his mom probably never thought she would see him reading the Bible. He also said to his Mom that this place isn't that bad. To me, that isn't something a person that is not guilty would say. I know if I was accused of something I didn't do, I would be really irrated and want out of jail, probably pleading that I didn't do anything!

He seems a little to laid back to me. JMO.


still beats dead -IMHO


Title: waiver of right not to testify
Post by: iquitos on June 26, 2005, 06:46:07 PM
maybe paul has waived his right not to testify against Joran becaues he knows nothing incriminating.  i don't think you negotiate your release in these cases.  they did not have enough evidence to hold him.  they took him in to pressure Joran.  FOX talking head:  "you don't throw somebody in jail just to appease a grieving family"


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I hope this isn't sarcasm, but if it is then you have no idea about what you are saying.  She was the only person we have at these forums who was on the trip.  It is a loss whether you agree with her or not.


Right DT. I hate she was so upset today. The family must be really upset. Unless LE has told them somethings ( I am sure they know much more than we do)  that will continue to encourage them to bring Natalee home


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wwizard on June 26, 2005, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: "Tiptoes"
Dash,

{{edit: it's impossible to apologize for others behavior - please, people have a right to their opinions. thank you. }}.   I agree with you.  The ignorance or maliciousness has no place ANYWHERE!!  I, for one, will continue to pray for Natalee's safe return and also know Joran has knowledge of her whereabouts.  Be strong and my prayers are with you.  You have been through too much!

 
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I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.


Again with respect, why is NH above reproach?

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

---


again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Ting on June 26, 2005, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
A staggering eye opener is to go back to the RBN archive and read some of the earliest thread. I could quote from them today and you would not know the difference. The theorys are the same, the characters are the same. It is just 3 weeks later. Something just doesn't sit right about that.


That's just a side effect of the dearth of actual facts.


Title: Re: waiver of right not to testify
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
maybe paul has waived his right not to testify against Joran becaues he knows nothing incriminating.  i don't think you negotiate your release in these cases.  they did not have enough evidence to hold him.  they took him in to pressure Joran.  FOX talking head:  "you don't throw somebody in jail just to appease a grieving family"


I agree.  I remember hearing that they don't do plea bargains in Aruba.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: spab on June 26, 2005, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
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-MBHScool Kid Wrote"The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty."

 This statement is following the party line. I have heard Jug Twity say the same thing many times. Just way too much scripting to be believeable....i think she has made the correct decission to not post on here, her statements could be used against her. i alwsy thought it would be best if these kids kept quite, but for the life of me couldnt understnad why their parents let them speak out. I know I wouldnt let my kids say antyhing and woould wanr them to keep quite, just like Paulus VD Sloot told his son.



guyWdog


...hey... give her a break. She's just a kid for christsake..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: katya on June 26, 2005, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: "Britney"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Yesterday RUMOR was; expect at least two to be released and MORE arrest coming tonight or tomorrow.
Well.......I'm waiting....it's now tomorrow and nothing mentioned about any new arrest.

Also, could Pauls release be that possibly Joran is now talking?  RUMOR was Paul was arrested in order to get joran to talk....and Joran DID look as if he'd been crying when leaving the court house today.....IMO


Do you think he was crying for himself, or for Natalee?

Himself of course.... after the remark that he'd kick her ass, I doubt if he's capable of anything but ME< ME ME!


I also wanted to add, something AVDS said in her interview with Greta; she stated when she went to visit Joran, he said something about he is reading the Bible that a nice man gave him, and said something to the effect that his mom probably never thought she would see him reading the Bible. He also said to his Mom that this place isn't that bad. To me, that isn't something a person that is not guilty would say. I know if I was accused of something I didn't do, I would be really irrated and want out of jail, probably pleading that I didn't do anything!

He seems a little to laid back to me. JMO.


I think he was trying to comfort his mom, who is very upset.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Sleeks on June 26, 2005, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
Why does this Dash person say she "knows" he's guilty? Did the Aruban police tell her something they didn't tell the public? Or is she just assuming he did it...much like almost everyone else.


BECAUSE SHE WAS ON THE TRIP AND A CLASSMATE OF NATALEE'S SHE DID SEE AND HEAR HIM And certainly knows more about him than we do.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 26, 2005, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "RB"
Quote from: "Sleeks"
HUGE BUMMER WE JUST LOST ---


I imagine Dash is tired of questions - I know I would be if I were her.  It's gotta be tough being in MB now, what will allt he questions, speculation and innuendo here there and everywhere.


Questions have nothing to do with it.  It is the personal attacks on Natalee.  And yes there are some, it is not all just people trying to figure out what happened.  A lot of it is people making extremely insulting and baseless claims and speculations about a person they dont know.




Exactly..I think Dash wouldve answered what she could have without harming the investigation if she had not been treated so rudely by fellow posters...she was our link to natalee..the one who was with her on this trip..now, thanks to some here that cannot follow one simple rule of "do unto others as you would have done to you" we have lost her insight.... :twisted:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 06:48:33 PM
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:48:52 PM
Jug on geraldo tonight, could be very telling about what they now know.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:48:56 PM
She didn't spend much time with him. She has no clue if he's guilty or not. Nobody does.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: writenow on June 26, 2005, 06:49:10 PM
Dash,

Did Joran get into fights with MB kids 3 different times?
Bryan Reynolds says he broke up a fight with Joran at CnCs the second night, which would have been Friday.
Someone else said he was fighting with Natalee's cousin at the casino on another night.
And there are other reports he was fighting with MB students that last night outside CnCs just before he left with Natalee.

Is that right? Because if so, I wonder how spiteful he was feeling toward all of you. And if so, that means he really had an anger control problem.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: inspector_detector on June 26, 2005, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: "Sleeks"
SO INSPECTOR WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED???


Well right now (because we havn't found a dead body) I think at some point Joran did leave her alone, and she was kidnapped by someone we have not heard about yet. Maybe she's being held in a personal residence right now against her will? :roll:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: KackyLacky on June 26, 2005, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Quote from: "Marie"
I've been to Aruba at least 4-5 times in my life. I also did underage drinking (there and home here in NY). It doesn't make me a bad person. I'm 23 now and will be returning to Aruba next month. (I'm legal now...lol)


I did plenty of underage drinking from the age of 15 to 21. In college, there was a bar right next to our dorm that regularly served to underage college students when they knew the state Liquor Control agents weren't in town.

I bet the majority of posters here drank before they were legally supposed to. Or am I the only one?


no, if I said yes lightning would strike me right now and melt my fingers to this dang keyboard. :lol:


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LemonDrop on June 26, 2005, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: "wwizard"
again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??


In my opinion, because she didn't kill herself?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: DT on June 26, 2005, 06:50:33 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.


Different people see different things.  He may have been a jerk around some people, but might have acted differently around natalee.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: LilOrphan on June 26, 2005, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
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well...still "something bad happened"
Joran doen't know what bad happened after he last saw her
or then he refuses to say it.  And now daddy may have had nothing to do with it.  So, back to the brothers and something bad?


Thought that "something bad happened" was a linguistic error? Who the heck knows at this point, really. It's so bizarre and right now, heartbreaking, because it really seems we'll never know what happened to Natalee Holloway. I don't care who did what to whom, really, at this point.  Just that Natalee is found, in whatever condition, so her exhausted mother can go home with some peace.  To be them right now - sure they were making good progress two days ago, now going WTF -- must be horrifying.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: bendex on June 26, 2005, 06:50:47 PM
But if there was a struggle want would asume that Joran and friends had some scars on their faces ?

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Quote from: "Scared-Tom"
What I am seeing is the police and the judicial system are having significant problems. They have now released 4 people and are holding 3.
I hope that they have not put themselves in a no win position.

I don't know, Tom, but I have a bad feeling about this.

I, too, am feeling uneasy with the way things are going.  Some say the first 48 hours after someone goes missing are the most important.  I think too many potential scenaries were overlooked in those first 48, and authorities may not be able to recover those missing pieces.  I PRAY that Equusearch finds something conclusive for the sake of Natalee, her family, and her community.


That's because you all have your minds made up that the Van Der Sloots killed Natalee. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure she is even dead, or that the Va Der Sloots have anything to do with it. :roll:


According to reports from the Aruban paper the detectives think they went to the lighthouse and they all wanted to have sex with her, she struggled and they murdered her. They feel the body is on the water.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: la_cavaličre on June 26, 2005, 06:51:01 PM
I'm still waiting to hear from all of you who never drank a drop of liquor before you were of legal age.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: waited_too_long on June 26, 2005, 06:51:29 PM
Hi --- if you are still here. Do you have any information about the old guy that you said followed your group back to the HI? I recall you posted that one of your group ended up with his flip-flops by mistake. Was he a guest at the HI?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wantsanswers on June 26, 2005, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
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-MBHScool Kid Wrote"The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty."

 This statement is following the party line. I have heard Jug Twity say the same thing many times. Just way too much scripting to be believeable....i think she has made the correct decission to not post on here, her statements could be used against her. i alwsy thought it would be best if these kids kept quite, but for the life of me couldnt understnad why their parents let them speak out. I know I wouldnt let my kids say antyhing and woould wanr them to keep quite, just like Paulus VD Sloot told his son.



guyWdog


Its sad you would protect a guilty son. I have told my kid to always take like a woman and fess up, the truth will set you free!
...hey... give her a break. She's just a kid for christsake..


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2005, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.

I think what Dash is saying is that they know he was lying NOW...after the fact.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Marie on June 26, 2005, 06:52:07 PM
I'm still waiting to hear from all of you who never drank a drop of liquor before you were of legal age.

LOL you won't be hearing from me :x


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: wwizard on June 26, 2005, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "wwizard"
again w/ respect, why is NH above reproach??


In my opinion, because she didn't kill herself?


are we sure?


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: absolut on June 26, 2005, 06:52:22 PM
Please use RBN thread #28 this thread is locked.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: puggywug on June 26, 2005, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: "la_cavaličre"
Joran couldn't have been THAT much of a jerk that Sunday. Natalee apparently took a liking to him, and everyone says she had great judgment. If she had thought he was an arrogant liar, I doubt she would have spent any time with him.

We really don't know if Natalee "took a liking to him" or not.  How would we know that?  For all we know, he saw her and her group leaving the bar and walked out to try to catch her and spend more time with her.  We don't know that she spoke to him other than introducing herself earlier that day.  And just because you introduce yourself to someone doesn't mean you took a liking to them.  It is being polite.  When my husband and I were in Vegas, if we were at a table gambling for a while with the same people, we would introduce ourselves or strike up small talk.  That didn't mean we wanted to date the people.


Title: RBN #27 6/26/05 Sun-Day
Post by: Red on June 26, 2005, 06:53:12 PM
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I cant deal with this anymore. I left for a few days, and was asked to come back... I did, now I wish I hadn't. I can't stand people's ignorance or maliciousness anymore, so congrats to all of you who want me gone... you win!

To all of you who actually care about Natalee, thank you. Please continue to pray for her safe return... Thank you again for all that you've done.

The truth will come out (I know more than you know, as do many others... Joran is guilty. This doesn't interest me though; I could care less what is done with him... I just wish he'd say where Natalee is.)

Thank you again to all of you who are supportive! Hopefully, you will keep fighting and be stronger than I can.

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I am going to reserve comment until later that one of the few people who were willing to talk about events just got ran off. Some one who many of us are thankful made an effort to give info when she did not have to.

Many of you have bitched and moaned that there were no MB's making comments or going on shows. Its not that there were not MB teens doing so ... its they were not saying what you wanted to hear or refused to listen to.

How many times do people have to be told ... these are teenagers ... not adults and the same rules do not apply!