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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 06:25:53 AM
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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Catriana on June 27, 2005, 06:32:22 AM
Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: EdwinW on June 27, 2005, 06:43:07 AM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?


Facts: no
Rumors: plenty
:-)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Loren on June 27, 2005, 06:50:57 AM
what rumors seem likely to be based in some fact?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 06:59:44 AM
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 07:00:14 AM
Quote from: "Catriana"
Good morning, folks!    Anyone hear anything new?

Good morning!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 07:04:15 AM
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 07:15:51 AM
following on in the CNN article -


"I just think this goes to show that the story that Deepak and Satish are telling ... is substantiated by facts," Kock said.

Antonio Carlo, defense attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot, said Sunday his client was in good spirits, but was "shocked and disturbed" by his father's arrest.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


substantiated by facts -  that's something new to this case! :lol:


Title: Bendex
Post by: Cerulean on June 27, 2005, 07:31:03 AM
Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.  If the retired police officer Elio Nicolaas is any indication, some of the police there are more than willing to blame victims.  I'm not saying that the problem is worse there than elsewhere, it might be better, I just thought that there might be more of this kind of thing than they let on and that they might not deal with it well, which allows the same criminals to keep reoffending.  This is just in the area Natalie was supposedly left in.  Hmmmm.  Very unfortunate no matter how many or few victims there are.

They were claiming very low statistics for rape and those mainly being within the local population, like it's that neat.  I was suspicious.  When I saw that they just offer a total number of crimes and don't break them down by offense, that IS a coverup.  I'm not saying that there is more of a problem there than anywhere else, it's just the covering up statistics and having a veteran retired police officer blaming a victim is a bad sign.

Was that guy caught?


Title: Unsubstantiated rumors about Joran Van Der Sloot
Post by: Cerulean on June 27, 2005, 07:37:42 AM
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:

pushed someone through a plate glass window

actually kicked younger brothers on regular basis

uses date rape drugs on multiple females (or even one)

lived in bachelor apt due to violence against brothers

These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 07:37:48 AM
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Cerulean on June 27, 2005, 07:41:40 AM
Well, scuse me, it's Sunday night, I have to go to an "underground party."


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: xcptnl on June 27, 2005, 07:48:25 AM
Monkey Business
Friday, June 24, 2005
By Greta Van Susteren


Too funny huh?  Here is link for the story - it's about the monkey next door to the PVDS house.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html


Title: Re: Bendex
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 07:49:45 AM
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.


On track with this, if I ever get any time, I'd like to know more about the crime there as well.  I know that the amigos were put in a NEW prison.  That's not to say the OLD prison was closed at all as the officials said the new one was attached to the old.  

So which is it?  How can it be a new prison when it's attached?  It sounds like it's nothing more than an addition to me.

Low crime rate?  Sure, that's why they built an annex to the prison. :?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 07:51:28 AM
interesting link to the crime rate increase in aruba
http://news.caribseek.com/Aruba/AM_Digital/article_15609.shtml


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 07:57:43 AM
During the year, the Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba improved prison staffing and capacity to address concerns by the Council of Europe's Committee for the Prevention of Torture. Authorities expanded prison activities, health care, and amenities, lessening inmate tensions. Prisoners also were eligible for early release. Both governments took steps to alleviate overcrowding. They completed renovations at the Rio Canario Detention Center on Curacao and expanded Aruba's Correctional Institute Aruba (KIA) prison to house 300 prisoners, up from 250. Despite these improvements, problems remained. On Curacao, illegal immigrants vandalized their barracks in protest over their treatment. On Aruba, 90 KIA prisoners, including 9 who sewed their mouths shut, held a hunger strike over prison conditions, including lack of recreational time and poor food. On Bonaire, the Chief Public Prosecutor ordered the release of a large number of detainees (mostly drug couriers arrested at the airport) from the Police Detention Center because of overcrowding and poor conditions. The Government of the Netherlands continued to provide assistance to improve prison conditions and management


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 07:59:36 AM
Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MississippiGirl on June 27, 2005, 08:02:09 AM
It just crossed my mind that in the very beginning we heard that Natalee left CnC with 2 locals and an EXCHANGE STUDENT.  Have we heard any more about that?  Would Joran be considered an exchange student in any way?  Was that a lie that he told Natalee and her group?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 08:06:09 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml



wealthy british guy kidnapped by 5 brits...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml



wealthy british guy kidnapped by 5 brits...

 and a Spanish woman was kidnapped , also.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Nutbrain on June 27, 2005, 08:09:51 AM
Delurking to ask rogers - who is this missing person on Natalee's flight?  I have seen reference to it but can't find any info  Thanks


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: "Nutbrain"
Delurking to ask rogers - who is this missing person on Natalee's flight?  I have seen reference to it but can't find any info  Thanks


I don't know if you'll find this in print - Greta on Fox made this statement during one of her interviews.  It was not on her regular show, so it won't be in any transcript.

Never heard another thing about it - guess you could go to www.gretawire.com and email her.  She does answer some emails.


Title: Rumors of breaking news
Post by: wbvious on June 27, 2005, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:
...
These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


is this person a cop?

most will recognize the above as just that ...rumors...
usually (but not always) the above is stated by the 'offending parties' with the full disclosure that it is a rumor...but retract?...is this the Washington Post?...(gosh darn it all, i thought this was a forum for news,  opinions and rumors of news)

it would be great if all of us on the planet could speak with 100% accuracy but unfortunately it invariably comes out more along the lines of
"...well, i heard..."
nevertheless sometimes that can produce very valuable information...(and then a lot of times it doesn't)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:14:38 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
On Aruba, 90 KIA prisoners, including 9 who sewed their mouths shut, held a hunger strike over prison conditions, including lack of recreational time and poor food.


Sandra, thanks for posting this information.  Sounds like they need to open a mental institution as well - "who sewed their mouths shut"??????


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Police make arrests in recent kidnapping in Barbados where several men forced a couple into a car.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/27/kidnapping.shtml



wealthy british guy kidnapped by 5 brits...

 and a Spanish woman was kidnapped , also.



obviously i have no info, but my guess would be this was about money. she happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong person.


Title: Re: Rumors of breaking news
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:17:43 AM
Quote from: "wbvious"
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:
...
These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


is this person a cop?


Yes, this is the Post Police.   :wink:

Just ignore it.  That stuff is old, and has been discussed over and over again by most of us here!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 08:20:30 AM
Sandra, thanks for posting this information.  Sounds like they need to open a mental institution as well - "who sewed their mouths shut"??????[/quote]
Jenny Criag  :?:
**Sorry**


Title: Tkubi7
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 08:31:32 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Nutbrain"
Delurking to ask rogers - who is this missing person on Natalee's flight?  I have seen reference to it but can't find any info  Thanks


I don't know if you'll find this in print - Greta on Fox made this statement during one of her interviews.  It was not on her regular show, so it won't be in any transcript.

Never heard another thing about it - guess you could go to www.gretawire.com and email her.  She does answer some emails.

Thanks for covering for me Pine, I was actually sleeping.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: LilOrphan on June 27, 2005, 08:31:32 AM
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote

That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


Agree. Was thinking about this yesterday, too.  It is also time for Joran's family to change his college plans and their families location, because if this is indeed the case there's bound to be some nutter wanting to exact revenge.  Also, Aruba will have to batten down the hatches because their economy will probably take a hit.  This is, of course, just speculation, but barring the reappearance of Natalee, the view will be that the Aruban LE bungled it up.


Title: Re: Unsubstantiated rumors about Joran Van Der Sloot
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:

pushed someone through a plate glass window

actually kicked younger brothers on regular basis

uses date rape drugs on multiple females (or even one)

lived in bachelor apt due to violence against brothers

These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


thank you cerulean for this plea for facts and objectivity


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: "rogers"
Thanks for covering for me Pine, I was actually sleeping.


I saw you over there hanging on that tree...figured you needed at least 40 winks...

 :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 08:53:36 AM
With all the good places to send money  to help    Natalee ,
What do Monkeys Think is the best?


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 08:56:15 AM
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


I would also like to add that if she is dead, and ever is found the chances of finding a cause of death might be slim. Two examples of missing people whose cause of death was never determined are Danielle Van Dam (found on land) and Laci Peterson(washed onto shore). Even though here in the states we knew it was murder, there was no cause of death. Most of the evidence in both cases were circumstancial or pure forensic. With the Van dam case they were able to determine a possible crime scene, otherwise I think her killer might have walked. Natalees case mayb remain a mystery even if she is found.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 08:57:35 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
With all the good places to send money  to help    Natalee ,
What do Monkeys Think is the best?

I sent money to the TX search group.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote

That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


Agree. Was thinking about this yesterday, too.  It is also time for Joran's family to change his college plans and their families location, because if this is indeed the case there's bound to be some nutter wanting to exact revenge.  Also, Aruba will have to batten down the hatches because their economy will probably take a hit.  This is, of course, just speculation, but barring the reappearance of Natalee, the view will be that the Aruban LE bungled it up.


Maybe Geraldo was right, when he said, "I have it from an impeccable source, and impeccable source that someone in the police department said, 'I can't investigate these people. They're my FRIENDS.'" Maybe, just maybe, he was right.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: "Professor
maybe Geraldo was right, when he said, "I have it from an impeccable source, and impeccable source that someone in the police department said, 'I can't investigate these people. They're my FRIENDS.'" Maybe, just maybe, he was right.


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


I would also like to add that if she is dead, and ever is found the chances of finding a cause of death might be slim. Two examples of missing people whose cause of death was never determined are Danielle Van Dam (found on land) and Laci Peterson(washed onto shore). Even though here in the states we knew it was murder, there was no cause of death. Most of the evidence in both cases were circumstancial or pure forensic. With the Van dam case they were able to determine a possible crime scene, otherwise I think her killer might have walked. Natalees case mayb remain a mystery even if she is found.
 

How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Professor
maybe Geraldo was right, when he said, "I have it from an impeccable source, and impeccable source that someone in the police department said, 'I can't investigate these people. They're my FRIENDS.'" Maybe, just maybe, he was right.


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


a Judge from Curacao released Paul.
 Aruba LE was Not amused.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: LilOrphan on June 27, 2005, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


I wrote a dissertation last night on that, trying to get someone with knowledge of Dutch law to explain if it's standard practice to arrest someone for kidnapping and murder  when you either don't have enough on 'em to make the arrest stick or as a way to pressure someone else. Seems the antithesis of good case-building and ethical procedure??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: BK on June 27, 2005, 09:16:48 AM
Quote
a Judge from Curacao released Paul.
Aruba LE was Not amused.


Where did you hear that the Aruba LE was Not ammused??


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 27, 2005, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


Well, they have apperantly enough evidence to present to the judge to validate a longer stay in prison for Joran and his friends. That doesn't necceraly mean that's enough to get them convicted, we'll just have te wait for that until the first day of the trail.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 09:22:24 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Good mornin' all. I am truly worried about what the next few days will hold. It appears to me that if they let Croes out of jail because all he had done was lied, then we can expect they will release JVDS, Deepak and Satish because all they have on them is their lies.


That is a valid concern. I think we all should prepare ourselves for the possibility that Nat will never be found and no one will ever be punished for her disappearance.  I view the Aruban authorities much like the Colorado authorities in the Jon Benet case.  So much time was wasted that good untouched evidence could have been gathered. Now, it is probably too late.  We need a. a body, b. a confession and good prosecution, c. or try to get over this entire ordeal.


I would also like to add that if she is dead, and ever is found the chances of finding a cause of death might be slim. Two examples of missing people whose cause of death was never determined are Danielle Van Dam (found on land) and Laci Peterson(washed onto shore). Even though here in the states we knew it was murder, there was no cause of death. Most of the evidence in both cases were circumstancial or pure forensic. With the Van dam case they were able to determine a possible crime scene, otherwise I think her killer might have walked. Natalees case mayb remain a mystery even if she is found.
 

How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.


iquitos,
If my memory serves me right, I think Laci disappeared Christmas time and washed up in April. So 4-5 mths? Theres alot of speculation of whether she was weighted dow or placed in a barrel. Either way, no way to determine cause of death bc she was missing parts, etc.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kelly on June 27, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Nutbrain"
Delurking to ask rogers - who is this missing person on Natalee's flight?  I have seen reference to it but can't find any info  Thanks


I don't know if you'll find this in print - Greta on Fox made this statement during one of her interviews.  It was not on her regular show, so it won't be in any transcript.

Never heard another thing about it - guess you could go to www.gretawire.com and email her.  She does answer some emails.


Hey Pinemeadows- ive been followin this case from day one of this forum and havent been on for about 4 days or so...wonderin if you had heard anything new bou this "missing person" on nat's flight...... i know about the father and dj bein freed..but in the dark with everythin else


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 09:24:55 AM
One thing that is INDISPUTABLE about this case is the outpouring -- the literal gush -- of sympathy and support for Joran and his family, by Aruban nationals. For the van der Sloot family that has done nothing but lie and cover up, since the beginning of this investigation. And booking agents and tour guides and parents around the world will be on notice that they will NEVER have the undivided sympathy of the Aruban people if one of their daughters turns up missing.

If they didn't get it this time, they NEVER would.

That message is going out loud and clear, from the front pages of AM Digital that reads, "A Crisis Blown Out of Proportion," to anti-Natalee messages that are going out on TOP95, to the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
With all the good places to send money  to help    Natalee ,
What do Monkeys Think is the best?


The Tx group would qualify for a tax deduction whereas the Holloway Trust Fund would not. Thus, your donation to the Tx  group would be with before tax dollars and to the Holloway Trust with after tax dollars.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 27, 2005, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


I wrote a dissertation last night on that, trying to get someone with knowledge of Dutch law to explain if it's standard practice to arrest someone for kidnapping and murder  when you either don't have enough on 'em to make the arrest stick or as a way to pressure someone else. Seems the antithesis of good case-building and ethical procedure??


He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.


Title: Re: Bendex
Post by: BarStine on June 27, 2005, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.


On track with this, if I ever get any time, I'd like to know more about the crime there as well.  I know that the amigos were put in a NEW prison.  That's not to say the OLD prison was closed at all as the officials said the new one was attached to the old.  

So which is it?  How can it be a new prison when it's attached?  It sounds like it's nothing more than an addition to me.

Low crime rate?  Sure, that's why they built an annex to the prison. :?




Maybe the FBI can work out something with Aruba LE to take the Guantanamo detainees off our hands.

There has not been a vanishing act this good since DB Cooper.  Like poof ... gone without a trace. I hope to learn by the 05' World Series what really happened.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
a Judge from Curacao released Paul.
 Aruba LE was Not amused.


This is v-e-d-d-y interesting...do you remember where you read this?


Title: Re: Unsubstantiated rumors about Joran Van Der Sloot
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:

These are some of the stuff I heard too, if it helps...

pushed someone through a plate glass window  This story I did not see it listed from informed sources. i.e MSM both local or US


actually kicked younger brothers on regular basis I believe this story Anita confirmed, but I do not believe it was meant as some kinda ongoing abuse..more like sibling rivalry, stuff like that ..again my take.. and Anita did mentioned that on Greta on the Prowl..
uses date rape drugs on multiple females (or even one)

lived in bachelor apt due to violence against brothers  This is not a bachelor apt, it very common in Aruba or Holland that people rent out a Granny apt or Maids quarter.  I think it pretty within line that a 17 year old wanted a semi private quarter.  And no not to my knowledge was this due to violence to his brother.  In fact the little brother in the beginning of Joran arrest could not sleep etc..etc.

These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


Title: Time line Itenary?
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 09:38:51 AM
Do we have a separate timeline for Itenary and events concerning Nat and Joran?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 09:39:01 AM
Anyone in the VDS family talking today - or Beth?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: "KellyHey Pinemeadows- ive been followin this case from day one of this forum and havent been on for about 4 days or so...wonderin if you had heard anything new bou this "missing person" on nat's flight...... i know about the father and dj bein freed..but in the dark with everythin else[/quote


Kelly - haven't heard anything.  Why don't you post this evening when there's more monkeys here - perhaps someone else has info.  I'd like to know too!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
What about all the promised additional arrests?


Title: Re: Bendex
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: "BarStine"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.


On track with this, if I ever get any time, I'd like to know more about the crime there as well.  I know that the amigos were put in a NEW prison.  That's not to say the OLD prison was closed at all as the officials said the new one was attached to the old.  

So which is it?  How can it be a new prison when it's attached?  It sounds like it's nothing more than an addition to me.

Low crime rate?  Sure, that's why they built an annex to the prison. :?






Maybe the FBI can work out something with Aruba LE to take the Guantanamo detainees off our hands.

There has not been a vanishing act this good since DB Cooper.  Like poof ... gone without a trace. I hope to learn by the 05' World Series what really happened.


Did they ever find DB Cooper??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: waited_too_long on June 27, 2005, 09:43:03 AM
This topic keeps coming up. Something about an after-party. Isn't that this party:

http://gallery.magic965.com/thumbnails.php?album=235

If so, there is'nt really anything sinister and it seems to have been well attended.


Title: Re: Bendex
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "BarStine"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Bendex, that's spooky.  I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  This is why I challenged the editor of Aruba Today to provide crime statistics and polls on crime victimization.  Rape is an underreported crime.


On track with this, if I ever get any time, I'd like to know more about the crime there as well.  I know that the amigos were put in a NEW prison.  That's not to say the OLD prison was closed at all as the officials said the new one was attached to the old.  

So which is it?  How can it be a new prison when it's attached?  It sounds like it's nothing more than an addition to me.

Low crime rate?  Sure, that's why they built an annex to the prison. :?






Maybe the FBI can work out something with Aruba LE to take the Guantanamo detainees off our hands.

There has not been a vanishing act this good since DB Cooper.  Like poof ... gone without a trace. I hope to learn by the 05' World Series what really happened.


Did they ever find DB Cooper??

dont think so.
http://www.geocities.com/supiclone/9301/fbi.html


Title: Re: Unsubstantiated rumors about Joran Van Der Sloot
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "Cerulean"
Please post sources for the following about Joran or retract:

These are some of the stuff I heard too, if it helps...

pushed someone through a plate glass window  This story I did not see it listed from informed sources. i.e MSM both local or US


actually kicked younger brothers on regular basis I believe this story Anita confirmed, but I do not believe it was meant as some kinda ongoing abuse..more like sibling rivalry, stuff like that ..again my take.. and Anita did mentioned that on Greta on the Prowl..
uses date rape drugs on multiple females (or even one)

lived in bachelor apt due to violence against brothers  This is not a bachelor apt, it very common in Aruba or Holland that people rent out a Granny apt or Maids quarter.  I think it pretty within line that a 17 year old wanted a semi private quarter.  And no not to my knowledge was this due to violence to his brother.  In fact the little brother in the beginning of Joran arrest could not sleep etc..etc.

These are all serious accusations given over and over without any sources.  Either give sources or retract these statements.


The plate glass window account was reported by Geraldo.  He learned this from talking to the parents of a student at ISA.  

Date rape drugs - source was PlanetHuff - I think.  I provided a link to this on a previous post.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 09:46:03 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
One thing that is INDISPUTABLE about this case is the outpouring -- the literal gush -- of sympathy and support for Joran and his family, by Aruban nationals. For the van der Sloot family that has done nothing but lie and cover up, since the beginning of this investigation. And booking agents and tour guides and parents around the world will be on notice that they will NEVER have the undivided sympathy of the Aruban people if one of their daughters turns up missing.

If they didn't get it this time, they NEVER would.

That message is going out loud and clear, from the front pages of AM Digital that reads, "A Crisis Blown Out of Proportion," to anti-Natalee messages that are going out on TOP95, to the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Prof...this is the first bit of common sense I've seen on this board in quite some time.  Good job.

I'm not a classmate, nor an acquaintance of Natalee.  I never ran into her on the street or had the pleasure of speaking with her.  I do however know the "type" of person she is.  I feel as though it were tangible that she is a good person and would not have been gone this long of her own free will.  It's unfortunate that the only real witnesses (Dash & mbhs05) we have to Natalees's character and personality have been driven away by a few inconsiderate members.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: LilOrphan on June 27, 2005, 09:46:03 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote


He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.


Thanks. As always, your insight is invaluable. Nevertheless, in terms of the Aruban LE, it seems like a misstep, then.  Shouldn't have arrested the man until you had more on him, IMO. Could just be a cultural difference in legal procedure, but it seems like common sense to me. :)


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


I wrote a dissertation last night on that, trying to get someone with knowledge of Dutch law to explain if it's standard practice to arrest someone for kidnapping and murder  when you either don't have enough on 'em to make the arrest stick or as a way to pressure someone else. Seems the antithesis of good case-building and ethical procedure??


He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.



I concur, there is also a mention of using PVDS as a phychological key to pressure JVDS to confess.  And maybe the pressure from both Beth and Jug to 'have' PVDS to be arrested on way or the other.  The impartial Judge probably made the right decision, not enough substantial evidence even for suspicion.  The mention of Greta interview got him arrested, but I think the full unedited probably got him off.  Many time shows are edited and can be skewed to give the impression that someone is not talking or said something..perhaps after reviewing the taped interview, it was maybe perhaps showing an explanation, a elaboration of a statement that got cut out or edited..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: "sandy"
What about all the promised additional arrests?

Island Promises......... :evil:


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


I wrote a dissertation last night on that, trying to get someone with knowledge of Dutch law to explain if it's standard practice to arrest someone for kidnapping and murder  when you either don't have enough on 'em to make the arrest stick or as a way to pressure someone else. Seems the antithesis of good case-building and ethical procedure??


He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.


Gerben, Can Aruban LE appeal?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 09:48:52 AM
anybody know what time or if they released steve c and jorans father yet?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: BK on June 27, 2005, 09:50:54 AM
Joran's father was apparently released last night


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 09:50:56 AM
PVDS was released yesterday... SC is to be released at 1pm today


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 09:51:23 AM
I believe PVDS was home last night


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 09:51:40 AM
Thanks guys. Havent been home much or able to watch tv while I was.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
anybody know what time or if they released steve c and jorans father yet?

Joran's father was released yesterday.  Steve C. will be release today at 1:00pm when his 8 days is up.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 09:52:32 AM
Monkeys in stereo


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 10:01:40 AM
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


Morning! Im not depressed no reason to be...unless you consider my 5 yr old putting my cat in the toilet as depressing.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


You are right Gaijin. Just as the days drag on, it's only natural that hopes fade. I have to constantly remind myself of Elizabeth Smart. Maybe we can have a miracle here too. I pray.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: "momto5"


Morning! Im not depressed no reason to be...unless you consider my 5 yr old putting my cat in the toilet as depressing.


The cat's probably depressed...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 10:09:01 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=38815#38815

 BREAKING NEWS BTK killings suspect Dennis Rader waives right to jury trial, pleads guilty to 10 counts of murder. Detail soon.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 10:09:28 AM
Quote from: "sandy"
Anyone in the VDS family talking today - or Beth?


I was watching one of the videos on CNN--showing PVDS being released-when they said they asked BHT for an interview they said she declined since she was two upset with the 2 men being released!

Don't know when we will see her talk??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


Feels as if we have hit a brick wall.But keep hope alive guys, something is bound to happen here one way or another, it may not be as quick as we want it to, but it will happen.Bright Side, we have all made tons of new friends here to discuss the case with until and after this is resolved.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:11:26 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "momto5"


Morning! Im not depressed no reason to be...unless you consider my 5 yr old putting my cat in the toilet as depressing.


The cat's probably depressed...


Probably. Trying to teach a 5 yr old the cat isnt a toy has been hard lol.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote


He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.


Thanks. As always, your insight is invaluable. Nevertheless, in terms of the Aruban LE, it seems like a misstep, then.  Shouldn't have arrested the man until you had more on him, IMO. Could just be a cultural difference in legal procedure, but it seems like common sense to me. :)


Gerben, I'm beginning to understand the differences in law that you referenced in your post.  

But they had PVDS detained as a suspect on Friday, I believe...then on Saturday, the word was out that the grounds for his detention/arrest were "complicity in premeditated murder"...very very specific.  Then the next day, he's released????   This does not speak well for Aruba LE, in my opinion.

I have no dogs in this race - don't care if he's in or out, as I don't know anything for sure.  It just seems very odd.  One day there's evidence, and the next day, there's not enough?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


Feels as if we have hit a brick wall.But keep hope alive guys, something is bound to happen here one way or another, it may not be as quick as we want it to, but it will happen.Bright Side, we have all made tons of new friends here to discuss the case with until and after this is resolved.

I agree. Remember we really dont know whats going on behind those closed doors while the interrogations are going on. Im also hopeful that the TX group will find her one way or another. I remember reading when Laci Peterson was missing that most missing people who disappear under circumstances related to foul play are usually found. It just takes time to find them. It took 4 mths for Laci to wash up, and in the end justice was served. So dont lose hope. Its only been 4 wks.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Gerben aka Pays Bas on June 27, 2005, 10:14:17 AM
Gerben, Can Aruban LE appeal?[/quote]

Yes the DA can make an appeal.


Title: About Now
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Morning all. Is it just me, or is there a pall and depression over the cage this morning? Comon people. All is not lost...yet.


Feels as if we have hit a brick wall.But keep hope alive guys, something is bound to happen here one way or another, it may not be as quick as we want it to, but it will happen.Bright Side, we have all made tons of new friends here to discuss the case with until and after this is resolved.


About now we should be praying for the body to surface in some manor. Short of that, IMHO, the culprit is going to get off scott free.  Just my opinion.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: "momto5"

Probably. Trying to teach a 5 yr old the cat isnt a toy has been hard lol.


The cat will eventually teach the child that he isn't a toy, won't be pretty but the cat will rest easier afterwards.My lil man (8 now) had to learn the hard way after I told him until I was blue in the face,


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: roxyluv on June 27, 2005, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "momto5"

Probably. Trying to teach a 5 yr old the cat isnt a toy has been hard lol.


The cat will eventually teach the child that he isn't a toy, won't be pretty but the cat will rest easier afterwards.My lil man (8 now) had to learn the hard way after I told him until I was blue in the face,

Yep I know. Not looking forward to it either. Its a battle of wills right now, eventually I expect the cats will will win.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: JessesMom on June 27, 2005, 10:16:59 AM
(SNIPPED)

He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.[/quote]


I concur, there is also a mention of using PVDS as a phychological key to pressure JVDS to confess.  And maybe the pressure from both Beth and Jug to 'have' PVDS to be arrested on way or the other.  The impartial Judge probably made the right decision, not enough substantial evidence even for suspicion.  The mention of Greta interview got him arrested, but I think the full unedited probably got him off.  Many time shows are edited and can be skewed to give the impression that someone is not talking or said something..perhaps after reviewing the taped interview, it was maybe perhaps showing an explanation, a elaboration of a statement that got cut out or edited..[/quote]

On Fox yesterday someone said (and I can't remember who this was, whether an attorney or another official) that the prosecution presented 4 affidavits or depositions in support of his arrest.  The judge reviewed these 4 affidavits and determined they were inconsistent.  So apparently it was more than just the Greta interview.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
anybody know what time or if they released steve c and jorans father yet?


PVDS has already been released-MVDS picked him up yesterday and said they were going home-they said the cameras were following them --then the parents stopped and went in a different direction--don't know where they were heading.

Dj Steve-will be released around 1pm today


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote



But they had PVDS detained as a suspect on Friday, I believe...then on Saturday, the word was out that the grounds for his detention/arrest were "complicity in premeditated murder"...very very specific.  Then the next day, he's released????   This does not speak well for Aruba LE, in my opinion.

I have no dogs in this race - don't care if he's in or out, as I don't know anything for sure.  It just seems very odd.  One day there's evidence, and the next day, there's not enough?


I agree...its very confusing...seems one day that they are very specific in their charges in regards to the father...only one in which they used the word "premeditated"....and then he's out.
Doesnt make sense ...at least not from here.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 10:19:29 AM
That was the clerk of the court on Fox yesterday.


Title: dark currents
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 10:20:12 AM
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 10:21:39 AM
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 10:22:21 AM
o.k. in the beginning they arrested the original 3 then let them go and re-arrested them right?Then we hear that they wired the car and all the other surveillance to get info, we haven't (and probably won't) know what they gathered from this..Fast forward to today..PVDS has been arrested and then let go couple days later, we do not know REALLY why they let him go, but I'll bet that LE is watching him like a hawk as to his movements.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:22:57 AM
Quote from: "Kackylacky"
Gerben, Can Aruban LE appeal?

Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"

Yes the DA can make an appeal.


Thanks,

I wonder if they will?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
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This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?


Just in general--would u say that to someone right in their face--some people have more "balls" to say things via the cyber way--but would never say that to someones face.

It is a shame certain people that were very helpful and informative were pushed away from here because of comments toward them..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?


Very true...however we know that Joran is an person of less than stellar character.  Underage drinking, underage gambling, anger management classes and romantic involvment (of some kind) with a 13 year old girl are just a few examples of his "nice" traits.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:24:01 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
o.k. in the beginning they arrested the original 3 then let them go and re-arrested them right?Then we hear that they wired the car and all the other surveillance to get info, we haven't (and probably won't) know what they gathered from this..Fast forward to today..PVDS has been arrested and then let go couple days later, we do not know REALLY why they let him go, but I'll bet that LE is watching him like a hawk as to his movements.

My understanding is they werent arrested at first, only questioned, which is when they made up the story about the security guards in black uniforms. Then they were arrested what June 9th?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 10:24:31 AM
Well, the group from Texas sounded very confident yesterday that they would find her.  The inspired me.  They said that they would find her today, and if not today, within the next couple of days.  They said Beth would be able to take her daughter home.  I have to believe in that or I get very depressed about this.  I hope that it will also mean that justice is served for Natalee.  But my biggest hope here is that her mother be able to take her home, dead or alive.


Title: Who said what?
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "sandy"
What about all the promised additional arrests?

Island Promises......... :evil:


Did not BH promised more arrest?  Unless you she was fed this by the Arubian LE/FBI??


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Gerben, Can Aruban LE appeal?


Yes the DA can make an appeal.


Thanks,

I wonder if they will?[/quote]

Yesterday it was stated on Fox that the prosecutors had already filed an emergency appeal regarding the release of PVDS.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 10:25:32 AM
Can anyone confirm the news snippet I heard before my hubby changed it off of the news that The Texas Search group said "The family can only hope for closure at this point" I think this was Sat or Sunday, and hubby won't have the news on, he said its depressing him..... Please confirm any statement s made by the TES group TYIA


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: UGAmom on June 27, 2005, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


On FOX, one of their forensic people said that Laci appeared after the water warmed up and she floated to the top.  Also, that she was in a bay.  He didn't hold much hope that if Natalee was in the ocean she would come to shore after all this time.  Ocean currents and all being involved.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
Quote



But they had PVDS detained as a suspect on Friday, I believe...then on Saturday, the word was out that the grounds for his detention/arrest were "complicity in premeditated murder"...very very specific.  Then the next day, he's released????   This does not speak well for Aruba LE, in my opinion.

I have no dogs in this race - don't care if he's in or out, as I don't know anything for sure.  It just seems very odd.  One day there's evidence, and the next day, there's not enough?


I agree...its very confusing...seems one day that they are very specific in their charges in regards to the father...only one in which they used the word "premeditated"....and then he's out.
Doesnt make sense ...at least not from here.
for the record:  

FACT:  paulus van der sloot was detained on suspicion of the same charges as the other four:

medepleging moord (complicity in murder, in dutch law premeditated is implicit)

medepleging doodslag (complicity in manslaughter)  

medepleging ontvoering met dood als gevolg  (complicity in kidnapping leading to death)  

he was released because the judge found that the record did not support a reasonable suspicion that he was involved in these offenses.  

It appears the police overreached  (the fist 48 hours in on police authority).  It is apparent they did so to pressure Joran.  It did not work as far as we know.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
o.k. in the beginning they arrested the original 3 then let them go and re-arrested them right?Then we hear that they wired the car and all the other surveillance to get info, we haven't (and probably won't) know what they gathered from this..Fast forward to today..PVDS has been arrested and then let go couple days later, we do not know REALLY why they let him go, but I'll bet that LE is watching him like a hawk as to his movements.


Good thinking, but I think PVDS is probably going to be the best he can possibly be for the next few weeks.  He's probably learned from his son's surveillance that this is exactly what LE will do to him.

There's more going on here than meets the eye.

Also wondering what happened to the "more arrests" theory...who said that anyway???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


I'd bet money that no one saw him walking home, during those 40 minutes. And, on an island that claims to be open for business 24/7, and where everybody knows everybody, that would speak volumes.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


right and in a BAY with totally different current and climatology than this area.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 10:26:47 AM
[
Dj Steve-will be released around 1pm today[/quote]

I just read that Steve Croes Mom collapsed outside the courtroom due to extreme emotion about her son being locked up and all of the trauma surrounding the case. This case certinaly..if nothing else has affected a multitude of people.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Can anyone confirm the news snippet I heard before my hubby changed it off of the news that The Texas Search group said "The family can only hope for closure at this point" I think this was Sat or Sunday, and hubby won't have the news on, he said its depressing him..... Please confirm any statement s made by the TES group TYIA

The Texas group from the beginning has said that this is most likely the recovery of a body case.  They hold out very little hope that she is alive.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Agreed. I'm a landlubber and most of my experience with bodies of water is with lakes, not the sea. Who here knows about tides and currents?

What was the tide stage around the time Natalee disappeared -- 2 a.m. May 30? Was the tide coming in or going out? I understand that the water is very shallow on the southwest side of the island for quite a ways out. If Natalee were left in these shallow waters, would she wash out to sea or into shore?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Well, the group from Texas sounded very confident yesterday that they would find her.  The inspired me.  They said that they would find her today, and if not today, within the next couple of days.  They said Beth would be able to take her daughter home.  I have to believe in that or I get very depressed about this.  I hope that it will also mean that justice is served for Natalee.  But my biggest hope here is that her mother be able to take her home, dead or alive.

I completely agree. I was also very hopeful again when the search group said so confidentally they would find her in the next day or two. I think right now the most important thing is to find her so they can take her home. If she is dead, her family needs some closure, and a place they can go and place flowers and visit her. Once she is found then maybe the case can move forward in a better direction, one that will find some justice for natalee.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 10:28:17 AM
Quote from: "gagirl"
Yesterday it was stated on Fox that the prosecutors had already filed an emergency appeal regarding the release of PVDS.


That IS news...wonder if we'll hear more about that today.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
[
Dj Steve-will be released around 1pm today


I just read that Steve Croes Mom collapsed outside the courtroom due to extreme emotion about her son being locked up and all of the trauma surrounding the case. This case certinaly..if nothing else has affected a multitude of people.[/quote]

She was on FOX last night and looked much better. Says she has cancer and has not been well nor hasn't slept.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


right and in a BAY with totally different current and climatology than this area.

Right, and also they had an idea of where she might wash up.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote


That would help explain his being charged with complicity in a premeditated murder one day, and less than 24 hours later, being released.  That really puzzles me.

And save the flames...it's just a thought.


I wrote a dissertation last night on that, trying to get someone with knowledge of Dutch law to explain if it's standard practice to arrest someone for kidnapping and murder  when you either don't have enough on 'em to make the arrest stick or as a way to pressure someone else. Seems the antithesis of good case-building and ethical procedure??


it may seem so but you have to understand the European criminal system, ie. the Dutch system of law which governs Aruba has a reverse onus, you are guilty until proven innocent and therefore the state has wide powers of detention in order to assist the investigation process

whereas in our system, you wouldn't dare arrest someone without enough evidence for a grand jury to convict, in the viewpoint of the prosecutor, because prosecutors don't always get their grand jury indictments either

you can haul people in for questioning but you can't hold them though if I may reference Law & Order, they will try to hold someone on some other little charge if possible, but even then the suspect is released if you haven't got the probable cause to charge them with an offence

I imagine both systems have pros and cons, depending on your viewpoint, if you are a monarch, you gotta love the "guilty until proven innocent" onus


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Well, the group from Texas sounded very confident yesterday that they would find her.  The inspired me.  They said that they would find her today, and if not today, within the next couple of days.  They said Beth would be able to take her daughter home.  I have to believe in that or I get very depressed about this.  I hope that it will also mean that justice is served for Natalee.  But my biggest hope here is that her mother be able to take her home, dead or alive.


I agree, my heart breaks for her family and as much as I want there to be justice, there cannot be any peace w/o having Natalee back in Alabama.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 10:29:42 AM
good morning all.  i've been trying to keep up, but i'm sure i'm still a bit behind.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:30:10 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


I'd bet money that no one saw him walking home, during those 40 minutes. And, on an island that claims to be open for business 24/7, and where everybody knows everybody, that would speak volumes.


BINGO! that is what I posted about last pm. Then someone said the vacationers would be to "into" their vacations to see someone. I would think that after this amount of media, if a person saw another person walking down that road even near the timeframe joran perports to be walking----it would have been reported. I understand the road can be dark, but even arubagirl can't understand how NO ONE could confirm seeing him walking that distance.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 10:30:28 AM
OT: Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, is describing the Otero killings right now in the courthouse... it's live on Fox... he is so matter-of-fact.... CHILLING.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: "JessesMom"
(SNIPPED)

He's not charged but 'suspected', thats a enormous difference in dutch law. Somebody is officially charged on the first day of trial, until then he's just a suspect. During that pre-trail arrest the Aruban LE has to present enough evidence to the judge to prolong that arrest with a given amount of days. That's up to the judge. In this system you are locked up if your are  suspected of a crime, these intervals where the judge comes in play are specifically designed to avoid people being detained for a pretty long time without enough evidence to do so.
The Aruban LE thought they had enough to keep PvdS locked up, the judge didn't share that opinion.



I concur, there is also a mention of using PVDS as a phychological key to pressure JVDS to confess.  And maybe the pressure from both Beth and Jug to 'have' PVDS to be arrested on way or the other.  The impartial Judge probably made the right decision, not enough substantial evidence even for suspicion.  The mention of Greta interview got him arrested, but I think the full unedited probably got him off.  Many time shows are edited and can be skewed to give the impression that someone is not talking or said something..perhaps after reviewing the taped interview, it was maybe perhaps showing an explanation, a elaboration of a statement that got cut out or edited..[/quote]

On Fox yesterday someone said (and I can't remember who this was, whether an attorney or another official) that the prosecution presented 4 affidavits or depositions in support of his arrest.  The judge reviewed these 4 affidavits and determined they were inconsistent.  So apparently it was more than just the Greta interview.[/quote]

Four affidavits could have been 4 interrogating police or observers during the PVDS questioning, it could also been during the interview.. I could be wrong but the idea of reviewing the full unabridged tape interview would in my mind done the tipping of the Judges decision.  ( the the character of the person signing the affidavits)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
good morning all.  i've been trying to keep up, but i'm sure i'm still a bit behind.


Morning Bamajo....better read fast....


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: "gagirl"

Yesterday it was stated on Fox that the prosecutors had already filed an emergency appeal regarding the release of PVDS.


thanks gagirl.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
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I agree, my heart breaks for her family and as much as I want there to be justice, there cannot be any peace w/o having Natalee back in Alabama.


Can you imagine the pain that the parents would feel having to get on a plane to go home knowing they were leaving their daughter forever somewhere other than home


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


a lot of that "evidence" could be duplicates and reams and reams of paperwork that have absolutely no bearing. in any case there is a kitchen sink type mentality -- just in case it may be needed. i wouldn't put much emphasis on that. there are probably very few pieces of real evidence other than their stories at this point.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


right and in a BAY with totally different current and climatology than this area.

Right, and also they had an idea of where she might wash up.


Exactly, because the killer, scott put her and himself there, sound familiar. joran placing himself at the Marriott Beach with a missing person. Does to me.


Title: Dutch law
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 10:35:24 AM
whatever the reason for hauling Paulus in, this is a real setback because it is rare that a judge would intervene at this phase to cut him loose.   the prosecutor has broad authority to hold a person on mere suspicion after the initial 48 hour police detention.  Usually this is rubber stamped by the judge so they really were out on a limb to lose this so early.  it means they have little or nothing on him.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
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I agree, my heart breaks for her family and as much as I want there to be justice, there cannot be any peace w/o having Natalee back in Alabama.


Can you imagine the pain that the parents would feel having to get on a plane to go home knowing they were leaving their daughter forever somewhere other than home


My feeling is that it would torture you for the rest of your life.  It would be so devastating to lose your child in the prime of their life anyway.  It would be devastating to lose a child at all.  But to literally LOSE them, never to know where and how and why, never to have a place to visit them, and never to know 100% if they were alive or dead would be the worst possible thing, I would think.  To have to leave the last place they were known of to be, which is far away from home, and just go on with life would probably haunt you for the rest of your life.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
[
I agree, my heart breaks for her family and as much as I want there to be justice, there cannot be any peace w/o having Natalee back in Alabama.


Can you imagine the pain that the parents would feel having to get on a plane to go home knowing they were leaving their daughter forever somewhere other than home


I was just thinking about that last night , and that has got to be THE worst thing that could ever happen.But in reality life has to go on, bills have to be paid and there is another child involved.I cannot even imagine.Thinking maybe I would have to build a grass hut on the beach and live out my days
holding onto hope.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Agreed. I'm a landlubber and most of my experience with bodies of water is with lakes, not the sea. Who here knows about tides and currents?

What was the tide stage around the time Natalee disappeared -- 2 a.m. May 30? Was the tide coming in or going out? I understand that the water is very shallow on the southwest side of the island for quite a ways out. If Natalee were left in these shallow waters, would she wash out to sea or into shore?


From some research I did regarding this I concluded that if she was in the water close to shore, where people normally swim, she would wash up on shore.  Further out the is an undertow that would take her out to sea.  Apparently there is some sort of radar system that allows authorities to definitively know "when anyone steps foot in the water".  So, I guess they know if a boat went out to sea late at night.  So, my guess is she was hidden on land because:

1) In shallow water she would have washed ashore Aruba
2) In deeper waters there would be records of a boat heading to sea

The exception is if she was put out to sea the next morning and not in the middle of the night.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: EdwinW on June 27, 2005, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: "momto5"

I agree. Remember we really dont know whats going on behind those closed doors while the interrogations are going on. Im also hopeful that the TX group will find her one way or another. I remember reading when Laci Peterson was missing that most missing people who disappear under circumstances related to foul play are usually found. It just takes time to find them. It took 4 mths for Laci to wash up, and in the end justice was served. So dont lose hope. Its only been 4 wks.


I hope I am terrible wrong, but there are other ways at Aruba to let someone disappear. The sea around Aruba is very deep. If you have NH and a small anchor .... well ... you know what I mean.

I heard another story this morning. The northern part of Aruba is very rough, lots of rocks and waves. If someone gets into the water there, waves keeps banging that body on the rocks. If there is a body in the water for only three days  .... I will save you the details, but  ... DNA would be the only option left.


Title: Cheers where everybody knows you by name
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


I'd bet money that no one saw him walking home, during those 40 minutes. And, on an island that claims to be open for business 24/7, and where everybody knows everybody, that would speak volumes.


BINGO! that is what I posted about last pm. Then someone said the vacationers would be to "into" their vacations to see someone. I would think that after this amount of media, if a person saw another person walking down that road even near the timeframe joran perports to be walking----it would have been reported. I understand the road can be dark, but even arubagirl can't understand how NO ONE could confirm seeing him walking that distance.


The saying that on a small island everybody knows everybody's business is just that .. a saying not to be taken seriously.  Aruba with a population, 20 years ago, of 70, 000 plus, and after Exxon closing burgeoned to 90,000 plus has really changed the dynamics according to Reuben Trappenberg for those who may have caught this saying.   Keep in mind that the Holliday Inns, Marriott, Wyndham.. all these big Corporate Island exploiters (tax free holiday, concessions, kickbacks) allow or force the host island to accept foreign more talented (read take less money and don;t unionize) replacement then Arubian workers.  (i.e. See Royal Carribean Cruiselines, Carnival etc...do you see alot of Americans, no?! Mostly ex soviet Eastern Bloc, Jamaican and Filipinos)

So eventho you have 90, 000 plus people it pretty much a different Aruba compared to 20 years ago.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 10:39:54 AM
Speaking of how the board slowed down a bit with the case--to me, other than Fox--no one really is focusing or giving any info on the case either!

One post sticks in my mind also...I am not sure if it was someone being a butthead or what-but the one that said "There will be a new judge, all supsects released.......It could have been a hoax-but it really happened-and 2 have been released.

I also read eith on Fox.com also--which is not settling well:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html[/url/In an anecdote that illustrated the insular world of Aruba, Justice Minister Croes said Paul van der Sloot had recently visited him in his office after failing to become a judge, apparently seeking a position in Croes' department. Van der Sloot had also taught the justice minister's daughter.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 10:40:17 AM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.

iquitos,
Laci disappeared Dec 24th washed up around April 14th i think.


right and in a BAY with totally different current and climatology than this area.

Right, and also they had an idea of where she might wash up.


Exactly, because the killer, scott put her and himself there, sound familiar. joran placing himself at the Marriott Beach with a missing person. Does to me.

Yes and Scott also lied initially about where he was, He tried to say he was golfing remember? Then had to backtrack and say oh I forgot I went fishing instead. That is what placed him. Not trying to compare the two bc I do feel Scott was a bit smarter or had it well planned out more then I think anyone in this case has. But if you look at both cases and how the suspects lied, were considered good normal people...well...


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Agreed. I'm a landlubber and most of my experience with bodies of water is with lakes, not the sea. Who here knows about tides and currents?

What was the tide stage around the time Natalee disappeared -- 2 a.m. May 30? Was the tide coming in or going out? I understand that the water is very shallow on the southwest side of the island for quite a ways out. If Natalee were left in these shallow waters, would she wash out to sea or into shore?


What makes you think it would have been the next day? I hate to be cynical, but the amigos and daddy had 11 days to dispose of a body and to clean up after themselves. And even an idiot can do a pretty good job with 11 days, and the police looking the other way.

From some research I did regarding this I concluded that if she was in the water close to shore, where people normally swim, she would wash up on shore.  Further out the is an undertow that would take her out to sea.  Apparently there is some sort of radar system that allows authorities to definitively know "when anyone steps foot in the water".  So, I guess they know if a boat went out to sea late at night.  So, my guess is she was hidden on land because:

1) In shallow water she would have washed ashore Aruba
2) In deeper waters there would be records of a boat heading to sea

The exception is if she was put out to sea the next morning and not in the middle of the night.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Hagie9 on June 27, 2005, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "momto5"


Morning! Im not depressed no reason to be...unless you consider my 5 yr old putting my cat in the toilet as depressing.


The cat's probably depressed...


Haha!! You beat me to that one!!  :D


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 10:45:23 AM
What makes you think that a body would either have to be disposed of that night or the next day? I hate to be cynical, but the amigos and daddy had 11 days to dispose of a body and to clean up after themselves. And even an idiot can do a pretty good job with 11 days to work with, and with the police looking the other way.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 10:46:10 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Agreed. I'm a landlubber and most of my experience with bodies of water is with lakes, not the sea. Who here knows about tides and currents?

What was the tide stage around the time Natalee disappeared -- 2 a.m. May 30? Was the tide coming in or going out? I understand that the water is very shallow on the southwest side of the island for quite a ways out. If Natalee were left in these shallow waters, would she wash out to sea or into shore?


What makes you think it would have been the next day? I hate to be cynical, but the amigos and daddy had 11 days to dispose of a body and to clean up after themselves. And even an idiot can do a pretty good job with 11 days, and the police looking the other way.

From some research I did regarding this I concluded that if she was in the water close to shore, where people normally swim, she would wash up on shore.  Further out the is an undertow that would take her out to sea.  Apparently there is some sort of radar system that allows authorities to definitively know "when anyone steps foot in the water".  So, I guess they know if a boat went out to sea late at night.  So, my guess is she was hidden on land because:

1) In shallow water she would have washed ashore Aruba
2) In deeper waters there would be records of a boat heading to sea

The exception is if she was put out to sea the next morning and not in the middle of the night.
 

professor you are correct that they would have had a window of a few days after their initial questioning but not 11 days becasue things started heating up and supposedly they were under constant surveillance, if you believe that.


Title: Re: Cheers where everybody knows you by name
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


I'd bet money that no one saw him walking home, during those 40 minutes. And, on an island that claims to be open for business 24/7, and where everybody knows everybody, that would speak volumes.


BINGO! that is what I posted about last pm. Then someone said the vacationers would be to "into" their vacations to see someone. I would think that after this amount of media, if a person saw another person walking down that road even near the timeframe joran perports to be walking----it would have been reported. I understand the road can be dark, but even arubagirl can't understand how NO ONE could confirm seeing him walking that distance.


The saying that on a small island everybody knows everybody's business is just that .. a saying not to be taken seriously.  Aruba with a population, 20 years ago, of 70, 000 plus, and after Exxon closing burgeoned to 90,000 plus has really changed the dynamics according to Reuben Trappenberg for those who may have caught this saying.   Keep in mind that the Holliday Inns, Marriott, Wyndham.. all these big Corporate Island exploiters (tax free holiday, concessions, kickbacks) allow or force the host island to accept foreign more talented (read take less money and don;t unionize) replacement then Arubian workers.  (i.e. See Royal Carribean Cruiselines, Carnival etc...do you see alot of Americans, no?! Mostly ex soviet Eastern Bloc, Jamaican and Filipinos)

So eventho you have 90, 000 plus people it pretty much a different Aruba compared to 20 years ago.


Right I understand all that companazi, but at this point anyone seen walking down that road that even slightly resembled joran would have been reported, I would think.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 10:47:57 AM
Professor wrote: What makes you think it would have been the next day? I hate to be cynical, but the amigos and daddy had 11 days to dispose of a body and to clean up after themselves. And even an idiot can do a pretty good job with 11 days, and the police looking the other way.

Yeah, it may have been longer, assuming JvdS is the perp.  If Natalee was brought to his house, alive or not, and subsequently died, there was a good amount of time to think of and execute a plan to hide her.  If that's the case, the plan was expedited when her parents showed up at JvdS's home.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 10:49:01 AM
1.   For those feeling depressed, just because the Aruban police didn't have enough evidence NOW to hold these people in detention doesn't mean they won't have enough evidence LATER, anyone released can just as easily be re-arrested if the facts warrant it

2.  Was the Paul Van Der Sloot arrest an overreaction to pressure or a tactic - well if I were Joran Van Der Sloot and I hear my father has waived the father-son privilege, I'd be rather concerned because it was that privilege that had me concerned.... there is an allegation that PVDS counselled all the boys what to say - so imagine Paul tells Joran, keep your mouth shut for as long as possible, I know it is hard but to use his own words, Stand up to the pressure because you'll end up free in the long run as long as you keep your mouth shut - if they don't find the body, they don't have much of case and because I cannot be compelled to testify vs you, nor can you be compelled to testify vs me(?) then they cannot force us to say anything, as long as you didn't tell the Kalpoe brothers anything, you're good to go.......

now when it is publicly announced he is waiving that privilege that has got to make Joran very nervous and we don't know what PVDS has said to the cops this weekend

3. Regarding an island of 90,000 - as someone who lives in a town of 90,000, I can assure you I don't know at least 85,000 of them and there are many areas of town I've never been in - having said that though a tall guy like Joran walking down the road at 2:00 - 3:00 am in a heavily tourist area, giving that most of his friends were late night party animals as well, hard to believe no one saw Joran walking home and it was stated that Joran didn't strike them as the kind of kid who would walk home...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
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I agree, my heart breaks for her family and as much as I want there to be justice, there cannot be any peace w/o having Natalee back in Alabama.


Can you imagine the pain that the parents would feel having to get on a plane to go home knowing they were leaving their daughter forever somewhere other than home


I was just thinking about that last night , and that has got to be THE worst thing that could ever happen.But in reality life has to go on, bills have to be paid and there is another child involved.I cannot even imagine.Thinking maybe I would have to build a grass hut on the beach and live out my days
holding onto hope.


The problem is that quite often, life does not go on for those left behind.  I don't think I could if this were my child.  This family will spend every last dime that they have and that anyone will loan them to find her, as would I.

I'm sure that with the amout of interest and support this family has received, they will be on the island for a long time to come with plenty of supporters.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jane on June 27, 2005, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
With all the good places to send money  to help    Natalee ,
What do Monkeys Think is the best?


The Equusearch people have been asking locals for food and water.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Yeah, it may have been longer, assuming JvdS is the perp.  If Natalee was brought to his house, alive or not, and subsequently died, there was a good amount of time to think of and execute a plan to hide her.  If that's the case, the plan was expedited when her parents showed up at JvdS's home.


maybe not.  i could be wrong, but didn't the holloway-twitty/VDS initial meeting take place outside?  or even if inside their home, natalee could've been hidden in joran's apartment area  ???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 10:51:15 AM
I was struck by the fact the Aruban government spokesman confirmed to Fox News that the reason Paul VDS was arrested was a result of her interview and something he said which contradicted a previous statement.


Title: neing nosey
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 10:53:42 AM
i sure wish greta had nosed around the v/d sloot house like she did the Kalpoes, going into the bedrooms etc.  we need to see the layout and get an idea how private that "apartment" joran lived in is and how it sits in relation to the rest of the house.  is there alternate access?  next time she visits her pet monkey next door greta should check it out.  I know there is a wall in back and a vacant lot behind it.  could joran get out that way?  anybody got a floor plan?


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "iquitos"
How long after she was killed did Lacey wash up?  A lot more effort needs /needed to go into question of where a body would make landfall if disposed of at sea off aruba.  i heard it was panama.  of course in the Joran scenario he did not have as much time as Scott to dispose of remains, if any.


Agreed. I'm a landlubber and most of my experience with bodies of water is with lakes, not the sea. Who here knows about tides and currents?

What was the tide stage around the time Natalee disappeared -- 2 a.m. May 30? Was the tide coming in or going out? I understand that the water is very shallow on the southwest side of the island for quite a ways out. If Natalee were left in these shallow waters, would she wash out to sea or into shore?


I believe Fox interviewed a fisherman, the west side of the island being very calm, if a body was going to wash up it would be this side of the island, if you dumped the body north or east, the current would immediately take the body miles away

now I don't know about the tides either, might there by a tide almanac for Aruba online somewhere, since sport fishing is a big sport there and presumably this is something fishermen like to know?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 10:55:24 AM
Paulus van der Sloot's waiver of the father-son privilege is much overrated. He probably did it, in order to be able to LIE for his son.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: EdwinW on June 27, 2005, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: "Professor"


1) In shallow water she would have washed ashore Aruba
2) In deeper waters there would be records of a boat heading to sea

The exception is if she was put out to sea the next morning and not in the middle of the night.


There are many small local boats (15 - 20 feet or so) at Aruba without any record as they do not leave Aruba. I do not know the sea around Aruba, but I do know the sea around Bonaire (close to Aruba).
You'll only need to go 300 - 600 feet away to see the bottom will make a steep way down. If you drop a body there ... it will be gone for ever ...

The northern part of Aruba is very rough: lots of rocks and waves banging on these rocks. I wouldn't swim there ...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MominTN on June 27, 2005, 10:56:14 AM
Does it only seem suspicious to me that PVDS returns from the Netherlands, covers for his son, and doesn't get arrested until the judge from Curacao is in charge.  Then suddenly the judge from the Netherlands is sent over who hasn't heard so much about the case and PVDS is set free.  
Regardless of the type of judicial system in place, we think the Dutch are rather lax in prosecuting crime.  And when they cannot, as in drugs and prostitution, they just make it legal.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:56:21 AM
hey calvary!

I started a thread in the Chit Chat area about this BTK thing, so I don't get in trouble for be OT again. See absolut, I learned something! LOLOL

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=413


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Does it only seem suspicious to me that PVDS returns from the Netherlands, covers for his son, and doesn't get arrested until the judge from Curacao is in charge.  Then suddenly the judge from the Netherlands is sent over who hasn't heard so much about the case and PVDS is set free.  
Regardless of the type of judicial system in place, we think the Dutch are rather lax in prosecuting crime.  And when they cannot, as in drugs and prostitution, they just make it legal.


As we say down here, somebody doing some home cookin! If ya know what I mean.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
hey calvary!

I started a thread in the Chit Chat area about this BTK thing, so I don't get in trouble for be OT again. See absolut, I learned something! LOLOL

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=413


Moved yours to News Issues as well.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Daniel on June 27, 2005, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: "cancon"
[..] but you have to understand the European criminal system, ie. the Dutch system of law which governs Aruba has a reverse onus, you are guilty until proven innocent and therefore the state has wide powers of detention in order to assist the investigation process

This is very much untrue. There is no revere onus. It's true that the state has a strong position during the pre-trail investigations, but the rights of the innocent are quite well protected. Actually that's one of the reasons why so little information gets out - the detainees have to be presumed innocent until the trial is over and the judge has ruled otherwise. In the Dutch press, they're not even printing the full names of the suspects to protect their identities.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "LilOrphan"
Quote from: "Gerben aka Pays Bas"
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But they had PVDS detained as a suspect on Friday, I believe...then on Saturday, the word was out that the grounds for his detention/arrest were "complicity in premeditated murder"...very very specific.  Then the next day, he's released????   This does not speak well for Aruba LE, in my opinion.

I have no dogs in this race - don't care if he's in or out, as I don't know anything for sure.  It just seems very odd.  One day there's evidence, and the next day, there's not enough?


I agree...its very confusing...seems one day that they are very specific in their charges in regards to the father...only one in which they used the word "premeditated"....and then he's out.
Doesnt make sense ...at least not from here.


I dunno I think either Marianne had mentiond that he Prosecutor can throw a laundry list of suspicion, to be determined later on by a Judge to be credible enough to sustain a detention or not.  So on the surface those charges appear serious but it was thrown to see which would stick.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 11:00:14 AM
The previous judge had been relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (sic) So they bring in a new judge, and he says, "Evidence? I don't see no evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence."


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: icey on June 27, 2005, 11:00:42 AM
As I stated before, I hope Natalee is found alive but I don't think the invesitgation is going that way. It seems like LE has a very credible reason to believe Natalee is deceased. Is it because of some sort of "confession" from the 3 punks, evidence, or possibily another informant we know nothing of?  Thier detentions seem to be easily granted each time.

My worries:

1) Is LE focused on a killing/death because even if it's unresolved it's way better publicity for Aruba than an unexplained kidnapping?

2) Why do we believe that anyone went to the lighthouse or the beach by Mariott or HI? This statement was only provided by known liars. They probably went no where near that area. Also, only one of the kalpoe brothers seems to have been home in the early morning hours. And can that even be proven?

3) If LE leaves us with story that Natalee was "left on the beach", we have to assume that all this effort was wasted and that there is a real good chance she is being held captive somewhere. This is a very scary outcome for us all and one that will haunt Aruba for many years to come, and rightly so. It matters not that these things happen elsewhere in the world. The prevailing suspicion will be: get drugged at C&C's and possibly get kidnapped with no trace. With a LE that will be of no help.

What does the FBI think? So far we have not heard their thoughts?  If they think Natalee is a "missing person", they had better be looking for her too, possibility in surrounding countrys.

We need closure for the family, and a safe return would be the best solution. Barring that, we need an answer that's beliveable and not just a generic answer that attempts to sweep this under the rug.

icey


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:01:02 AM
Quote from: "cancon"
1.   For those feeling depressed, just because the Aruban police didn't have enough evidence NOW to hold these people in detention doesn't mean they won't have enough evidence LATER, anyone released can just as easily be re-arrested if the facts warrant it

2.  Was the Paul Van Der Sloot arrest an overreaction to pressure or a tactic - well if I were Joran Van Der Sloot and I hear my father has waived the father-son privilege, I'd be rather concerned because it was that privilege that had me concerned.... there is an allegation that PVDS counselled all the boys what to say - so imagine Paul tells Joran, keep your mouth shut for as long as possible, I know it is hard but to use his own words, Stand up to the pressure because you'll end up free in the long run as long as you keep your mouth shut - if they don't find the body, they don't have much of case and because I cannot be compelled to testify vs you, nor can you be compelled to testify vs me(?) then they cannot force us to say anything, as long as you didn't tell the Kalpoe brothers anything, you're good to go.......

now when it is publicly announced he is waiving that privilege that has got to make Joran very nervous and we don't know what PVDS has said to the cops this weekend

3. Regarding an island of 90,000 - as someone who lives in a town of 90,000, I can assure you I don't know at least 85,000 of them and there are many areas of town I've never been in - having said that though a tall guy like Joran walking down the road at 2:00 - 3:00 am in a heavily tourist area, giving that most of his friends were late night party animals as well, hard to believe no one saw Joran walking home and it was stated that Joran didn't strike them as the kind of kid who would walk home...
 

... and maybe even if paul knows nothing about this he suspects joran does and has decided it is time for Joran to talk so he sends the signal that he will waive his right not to testify against his family because he has had enough of this too.  on the other hand, if he knows nothing, why not testify to that?  remember, this is a man of the law (one of the good guys until this happened).  they have said a lot about him about not that he was a bad guy.


Title: Re: dark currents
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 11:01:11 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Yeah, it may have been longer, assuming JvdS is the perp.  If Natalee was brought to his house, alive or not, and subsequently died, there was a good amount of time to think of and execute a plan to hide her.  If that's the case, the plan was expedited when her parents showed up at JvdS's home.


maybe not.  i could be wrong, but didn't the holloway-twitty/VDS initial meeting take place outside?  or even if inside their home, natalee could've been hidden in joran's apartment area  ???


yea, but how did he get her there? I have been trying to figure this out! It would make sense that joran and the rest would know they needed a cover story if something happened to Natalee there, they would have to be prepared for, say if one of her friends showed up. I don't think the Bama Posse ( and trust me if she were my daughter it would have been the Tarheel Posse, I don't blame them at all) was ever expected by joran or anyone. The Twitty's surprised them, the inital story was, I think, made up to tell other kids.


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: "Daniel"
Quote from: "cancon"
[..] but you have to understand the European criminal system, ie. the Dutch system of law which governs Aruba has a reverse onus, you are guilty until proven innocent and therefore the state has wide powers of detention in order to assist the investigation process

This is very much untrue. There is no revere onus. It's true that the state has a strong position during the pre-trail investigations, but the rights of the innocent are quite well protected. Actually that's one of the reasons why so little information gets out - the detainees have to be presumed innocent until the trial is over and the judge has ruled otherwise. In the Dutch press, they're not even printing the full names of the suspects to protect their identities.


I concur, the govt spokesperson from Aruba Reuben and the Justice spokes person Marianne say this repeatedly.  There is a lot of misunderstanding and consequent bashing of this system.  However I do have to point out the patriot act is moving us to that point anyway...err so get used to it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
The previous judge had been relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (sic) So they bring in a new judge, and he says, "Evidence? I don't see no evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence."
 

as far as we know the previous judge was not relieved.  he became a member of the caribbean court and left.  hence the new judge.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?
<<

Mornin' All!

I will never catch up now.  Can't sleep on this board and now work calls.  But did want to comment that the son in this case is the one who pounds his chest at NH's mother in the presence of his parents so lots of enabling going on there.

As far as would I say something about my own son, I have no doubt that I would have long ago said far worse and to him if he lied and withheld information involving a life and the arrest of two innocent people at his bequest.

After he regained consciousness, I would hope I would be the first to say it.  It is not love to teach a child to lie and do wrong but indifference, taking the easy way out.  I remember one time one of mine did something awful and I drove him straight to the offended party and listened to his apology before I would even address the real problem.  He had ordered an computer COD in the name of a little girl at school on whom he had a crush and a rash of other things, cheap laser watches she would think gross, etc.  He got to apologize to everybody from the postmaster on for that.  Guess what?  He never did it again.

But then I know for a fact he knows better for we have reared him to do so and he has no excuse for sorry behavior.  And if he did something of this nature, much as I would be heartbroken and even knowing death penalty in this country, I would do my level best to help him confess and tell all he knows.  The police interrogation would be mild compared to what I would say or do.  I would know I had failed as a parent to instill the character in him and that he was seriously flawed at this point, not tell him not to say anything as has been done in this case.

All anybody wants from Joren in this case is the truth for a change and all he knnows related to her disappearance for LE does not even know where he last saw her because of all the lies.  He well may have left her on the beach alone but we cannot know that for it was his third story, a perfect example of the result of lying and why not to do it.

So, yes, I think I would say about my son any of the things I have stated about Joren but he would be the first to hear it directly from me, post haste.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
The previous judge had been relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (sic) So they bring in a new judge, and he says, "Evidence? I don't see no evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence."
 

as far as we know the previous judge was not relieved.  he became a member of the caribbean court and left.  hence the new judge.


how convenient


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 11:08:31 AM
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DT on June 27, 2005, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


Maybe their wasn't any evidence against him.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 11:13:06 AM
Anna does raise an interesting ethical dilemma

how many parents would be willing to lie or do anything to support a child even if they knew they were guilty or suspected it to avoid having their kid's life ruined, I 'm sure Mr. and  Mrs. Van Der Sloot are more upset that Joran may lose his tennis scholarship to a Florida university, if he hasn't already, than the fact Natalee Holloway is missing

we were talking last night about Karla Holmolka, her mother supported her EVEN AFTER IT CAME OUT ON VIDEOTAPE, that Karla had helped her husband rape her little sister, and that she died as a result of a drug they gave her (the drug stolen by Karla from the vet clinic she worked for) but the father disowned her once he saw that videotape - we could never figure out the mother there.......in this case the parents had no knowledge of the crime but how can you support a daughter in that case?

Karla's story before that discovery was that she was a battered wife, afraid for her life, Paul made her do it blah blah blah when it was clear she was an equal partner in the depravity


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


ha, ha, ha!!!  that last comment has me rolling!   :lol:

good call.  very good call on the questions before that.  especially since this new judge supposedly is not familiar with this case.  perhaps greta can dig a little deeper on this judge, and see if there are any connections with him and PVDS.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?
<<

Mornin' All!

...

So, yes, I think I would say about my son any of the things I have stated about Joren but he would be the first to hear it directly from me, post haste.


Anne, between you and my Mom, Joren wouldn't stand a chance  :?


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: Rosalie on June 27, 2005, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
i sure wish greta had nosed around the v/d sloot house like she did the Kalpoes, going into the bedrooms etc.  we need to see the layout and get an idea how private that "apartment" joran lived in is and how it sits in relation to the rest of the house.  is there alternate access?  next time she visits her pet monkey next door greta should check it out.  I know there is a wall in back and a vacant lot behind it.  could joran get out that way?  anybody got a floor plan?



I would think you would be more interested in having Greta talk to the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: GreatOwl on June 27, 2005, 11:15:07 AM
This is very old news, however, I have not heard anything of Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig since he announced the case solved and that the suspect was going to lead authorities to the body.

Perhaps this was discussed before and I missed it.  Is there now a "new" Deputy Police Commissioner?

I know there was some speculation that someone confessed and then retracted their confession.  Sort of a nolo contendere situation after that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 27, 2005, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


ha, ha, ha!!!  that last comment has me rolling!   :lol:

good call.  very good call on the questions before that.  especially since this new judge supposedly is not familiar with this case.  perhaps greta can dig a little deeper on this judge, and see if there are any connections with him and PVDS.


yes...all this and the guy can not catch the plane??? :roll:


Title: Re: Tkubi7
Post by: Daniel on June 27, 2005, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "Daniel"
Quote from: "cancon"
[..] but you have to understand the European criminal system, ie. the Dutch system of law which governs Aruba has a reverse onus, you are guilty until proven innocent and therefore the state has wide powers of detention in order to assist the investigation process

This is very much untrue. There is no revere onus. [..]


I concur, the govt spokesperson from Aruba Reuben and the Justice spokes person Marianne say this repeatedly.

No, it's untrue. Reverse onus may well be the MO and mindset of the investigators and the prosecution, but there is no such thing as a reverse onus in our law system. They will have to prove the suspect's guilt beyond reasonable doubt or the suspects will walk (and be compensated for the days spent in jail innocently). You've also seen how PvdS' detention wasn't prolonged because the DA had failed to produce sufficient support for a reasonable suspicion of guilt. It's not that PvdS had to prove his own innocence.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 11:17:48 AM
There are certain circumstances under which a person who has murdered a U.S. national in a foreign country can be arrested by U.S. authorities anywhere in the world and tried for the murder, but the murder must be related to an act of terrorism.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Can anyone confirm the news snippet I heard before my hubby changed it off of the news that The Texas Search group said "The family can only hope for closure at this point" I think this was Sat or Sunday, and hubby won't have the news on, he said its depressing him..... Please confirm any statement s made by the TES group TYIA

The Texas group from the beginning has said that this is most likely the recovery of a body case.  They hold out very little hope that she is alive.
Thanks, that is what I thought I heard  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MominTN on June 27, 2005, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "Professor"
The previous judge had been relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (sic) So they bring in a new judge, and he says, "Evidence? I don't see no evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence."
 

as far as we know the previous judge was not relieved.  he became a member of the caribbean court and left.  hence the new judge.


Regardless of their explanation, look at the facts.  No investigation for over a week into the boy who Natalee was with.  No search of him or his family's property for many days.  Son lies to police.  Son's friends lie to police.  They are arrested.  Father arrested with charge of premeditation of murder.  Judge replaced.  DJ released.  Father released.
Looks like corruption to me.

No one ever answers my question as to why the DJ went to the police with the same lie that Joran told about dropping off Natalee at the HI where she was talking with two security guards.  Why would Croes do this?

Did anyone check out PVDS story that his son wasn't home when the Twittys showed up?  The police should have asked Joran where he was earlier and then gone to the casino and checked the videotapes on that very night.    I think both Croes and PVDS are complicit in the crime at a minimum and should not be released.  If the judge from Curacao had stayed on the case and these men were left in prison, it is more likely others would have been indicted or contradictions in stories brought out in interrogation.  Maybe now they will lose their heads instead.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: neil on June 27, 2005, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: "Rosalie"
Quote from: "iquitos"
i sure wish greta had nosed around the v/d sloot house like she did the Kalpoes, going into the bedrooms etc.  we need to see the layout and get an idea how private that "apartment" joran lived in is and how it sits in relation to the rest of the house.  is there alternate access?  next time she visits her pet monkey next door greta should check it out.  I know there is a wall in back and a vacant lot behind it.  could joran get out that way?  anybody got a floor plan?



I would think you would be more interested in having Greta talk to the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!![/quote]

that and someone posted something about one of the hotel cameras picking up a girl walking alone on the beach.  whatever became of those two accounts??  

rumour or just not ever followed up on?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: EdwinW on June 27, 2005, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
Does it only seem suspicious to me that PVDS returns from the Netherlands, covers for his son, and doesn't get arrested until the judge from Curacao is in charge.  Then suddenly the judge from the Netherlands is sent over who hasn't heard so much about the case and PVDS is set free.  


Aruba is a pretty small community. Paul van der S. was arrested so his collegeas (direct people where he works) are too much involved to the investigation. That's why a judge from Curacao needed to come. Probably they now also send a Dutch judge.

Quote from: "MominTN"

Regardless of the type of judicial system in place, we think the Dutch are rather lax in prosecuting crime.  And when they cannot, as in drugs and prostitution, they just make it legal.


Oh sure :-D And according to Fox News we also kill unborn children who miss a small part of their finger.  I can say: not true at all.

Prostitution is legal. 100 % true. Did you know that prostitutes also have to pay their taxes ?

For drugs we have 'soft' drugs (marihuana and hashish) and 'hard' drugs (heroine, cocaine, crack, speed, etc). Hard drugs is prohibited at all times. Soft drugs is only allowed for a daily dosis.

If you need more info, you can drop me a PM. Now back to the NH discussion ;-)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


ha, ha, ha!!!  that last comment has me rolling!   :lol:

good call.  very good call on the questions before that.  especially since this new judge supposedly is not familiar with this case.  perhaps greta can dig a little deeper on this judge, and see if there are any connections with him and PVDS.


Maybe the exiting Judge, for what ever business or legal reason, saw the evidence but was to afraid to give a controversial ruling, in steps the Hatchet man and he gets the dirty job.  Its like here when you get refused a job or get fired...they say ..umm the Comittee has decided...whilst you know very well that that one person made the decision....again, just more speculation.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: "cancon"
Anna does raise an interesting ethical dilemma

how many parents would be willing to lie or do anything to support a child even if they knew they were guilty or suspected so to avoid having their life ruined, I 'm sure Mr. and  Mrs. Van Der Sloot ares more upset that Joran may lose his tennis scholarship to a Florida university than the fact Natalee Holloway is missing

we were talking last night about Karla Holmolka, her mother supported her EVEN AFTER IT CAME OUT ON VIDEOTAPE, that Karla had helped her husband rape her little sister, and that she died as a result of a drug they gave her (the drug stolen by Karla from the vet clinic she worked for) but the father disowned her once he saw that videotape

Karla's story before that discovery was that she was a battered wife, afraid for her life, blah blah blah


Mine would sooner offer me up for the gas chamber before knowingly let me get away with petty theft.  I don't even want to think what she would do to me if I was disrespectful to a girlfriends mother.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 11:20:29 AM
I apologize, I seem to have gotten wrong info on Aruba from other posters at other forums a while ago

the compensation issue is interesting

you see merely arresting someone can do tremendous damage to their reputation and life

which is why in the US and Canada police are very careful to not arrest someone until they have sufficient facts that warrant not only probable cause but sufficent facts to protect their butt from a lawsuit for wrongful arrest etc......

I can already see that if this were an American situation, the lawsuits would be flying


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 27, 2005, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.


much rumors...ant one remember the name of LE who mentioned a wild goose chase with car in columbia/venezula???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MominTN on June 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
yes...all this and the guy can not catch the plane???
_________________

Do you really believe any of their excuses after all that we have heard?  Perhaps he didn't like what he was being sent to do....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
The previous judge had been relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (sic) So they bring in a new judge, and he says, "Evidence? I don't see no evidence? I don't see no stinkin' evidence."


 :lol:   I never understood that either!

The more I know, the more confused I get.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: "neil"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame.

LOW as "Low to the ground" it has a " Body Kit"


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: "MominTN"
yes...all this and the guy can not catch the plane???
_________________

Do you really believe any of their excuses after all that we have heard?  Perhaps he didn't like what he was being sent to do....


Actually the plane was broken.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Microcephalic on June 27, 2005, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived


as counselled by his father? for Joran to establish his own timeline?


I'd bet money that no one saw him walking home, during those 40 minutes. And, on an island that claims to be open for business 24/7, and where everybody knows everybody, that would speak volumes.


Indeed if it is confirmed that no one saw him walking home, one could then arrive at the bold conclusion that...no one saw him walking home.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: medleyrelay on June 27, 2005, 11:24:57 AM
Somewhere a few threads back mentioned the promised additional arrests - the only one that talked about that was Beth - she seemed convinced or had a gut feeling or whatever that this was eminent - I don't know about you but maybe the poor lady is suffering some from wishful thinking - which might be natural do to her distressed state - but her hunches and feelings just might not be based on anything really tangible here - including her feelings about the VDS and more arrests!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


You are witty, my friend!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


ha, ha, ha!!!  that last comment has me rolling!   :lol:

good call.  very good call on the questions before that.  especially since this new judge supposedly is not familiar with this case.  perhaps greta can dig a little deeper on this judge, and see if there are any connections with him and PVDS.
 

i magine the judge is no less familiar with the case than the one/s before him who have extended joran and the kalpoes not three times and released, the security guards, Steve and Mr. v/d sloot.  he did spend a lot of time going over this yesterday what, seven or eight hours?


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.


much rumors...ant one remember the name of LE who mentioned a wild goose chase with car in columbia/venezula???


If rumors, I would want to know just how those particular rumors got started, by whom, and why.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "neil"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame.

LOW as "Low to the ground" it has a " Body Kit"


that is what i took it to mean as well, meaning the car was low to the ground.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: "sandraK
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame



Just one problem, Mama Kalpoe says the boys were home by 2:00 am, and we have phone records showing Joran called Deepak at 2:40 am wasn't it, to say he left Nat on the beach, according to the Kalpoe lawyer,
unless the suggestion is the boys left again after getting the phone call from Joran


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Microcephalic on June 27, 2005, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
Paulus van der Sloot's waiver of the father-son privilege is much overrated. He probably did it, in order to be able to LIE for his son.


Or he could have done it to demonstrate that he had nothing to hide.  He signed a waiver and yet his arrest was ruled unlawful.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.


much rumors...ant one remember the name of LE who mentioned a wild goose chase with car in columbia/venezula???


If rumors, I would want to know just how those particular rumors got started, by whom, and why.


It was the head guy for the largest newspaper in Aruba during an interview on Fox news.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 11:28:17 AM
After he regained consciousness, I would hope I would be the first to say it.  It is not love to teach a child to lie and do wrong but indifference, taking the easy way out.  

Well said..Motherhood is definitely not for wimps!!! Keep up the good work. I've paid my dues in this area!!! Only defend your kids when they are wronged unrightfully.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


Hey i saw that..someone asked her about evidence, and she sort of nodded her head towards the HUGE stack that was falling out of her arms....I saw that too  :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 11:29:57 AM
Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame[/quote]


Just one problem, Mama Kalpoe says the boys were home by 2:00 am, and we have phone records showing Joran called Deepak at 2:40 am wasn't it, to say he left Nat on the beach, according to the Kalpoe lawyer,
unless the suggestion is the boys left again after getting the phone call from Joran[/quote]
HEY I didn't say the 3:00  THING!


Title: Come on Down
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame



Just one problem, Mama Kalpoe says the boys were home by 2:00 am, and we have phone records showing Joran called Deepak at 2:40 am wasn't it, to say he left Nat on the beach, according to the Kalpoe lawyer,
unless the suggestion is the boys left again after getting the phone call from Joran


Its time to haul in the mothers too...I know Jug would love it but I think this would be a bad PR move on the part of the Twits..just my opinion tho.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.



Was this a rumor or a fact?


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: "bobntexas"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.


much rumors...ant one remember the name of LE who mentioned a wild goose chase with car in columbia/venezula???


If rumors, I would want to know just how those particular rumors got started, by whom, and why.


It was the head guy for the largest newspaper in Aruba during an interview on Fox news.


That was the car chase. The reporter's name is Hobart Thiel, and no one has interviewed him since. It is as if that phone call never happened.

The men dragging a woman from the beach I don't know the source.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: "medleyrelay"
Somewhere a few threads back mentioned the promised additional arrests - the only one that talked about that was Beth - she seemed convinced or had a gut feeling or whatever that this was eminent - I don't know about you but maybe the poor lady is suffering some from wishful thinking - which might be natural do to her distressed state - but her hunches and feelings just might not be based on anything really tangible here - including her feelings about the VDS and more arrests!

Well either she knows more then we do about the case, or it is her only hope to find natalee alive. If more people were involved and natalee was being held captive that would lead to more arrests. I think thats what shes hoping for.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.



Was this a rumor or a fact?



Good LORD..I had not heard anything like that before right this very minute...if that is fact, then why in the world havent we heard that til now... :shock:


Title: Deepak's car
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:32:24 AM
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: "Professor"
By the way, answer me this. The previous judge was relieved because he had "seen too much of the evidence." (Forget about the fact that that is what judges are supposed to do. Hear evidence.) And so they bring in a new judge, and there are thousands of pages of transcripts and official reports and WITHIN HOURS he is able to wade through it all and come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to hold PVDS any longer. Answer me how it is possible for him to digest all of that material in just a few hours. He must have been to the Evelyn Wood speedreading course.


LOL--Cliff Notes :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 11:32:53 AM
Also the Kalpoe mom in an interview said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

I've read that Deepaks car had a ground package..meant the car was low to the ground..he was afraid his car would hit the rough ground in that area.


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.


I can see that..teeanagers are very proud of their cars..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?
<<

Mornin' All!

...

So, yes, I think I would say about my son any of the things I have stated about Joren but he would be the first to hear it directly from me, post haste.


Anne, between you and my Mom, Joren wouldn't stand a chance  :?
<<

Well, for those wondering about the psychological ramifications on children reared in such a manner, remember that first of all said son knows I love him more than life itself.  The one I used as an example now holds advanced degree from Georgetown, speaks five languages well enough to pass govt test (imagine that, Eu'ers! an American with language skills!) and holds a highly sensitive job for which he was tested for days including being connected to a polygraph machine for six straight hours.  And that was just to get the job!  Random polys given still.  At least he does not have to worry about keeping his stories straight,  :D

And apparently, no damage to his personality not character but maybe the opposite.  Aiding and abetting sets a child up for a lifetime of sorrow.  Life is complicated enough without creating problems.  I don't know if this is a cultural thing or personal one for I am American but of Dutch ethnicity so tend to think it is a matter of personal ethics and beliefs about what is right and wrong., a parents role (teach them empathy) and what constitutes basic decency.   :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MominTN on June 27, 2005, 11:35:40 AM
Indeed if it is confirmed that no one saw him walking home, one could then arrive at the bold conclusion that...no one saw him walking home.

___________

Or you could conclude that no one wants to come forward and say they saw him walking home.  Would you go forward and say this if you could end up in prison in Aruba?  How about if you thought you might lose your head?


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Good LORD..I had not heard anything like that before right this very minute...if that is fact, then why in the world havent we heard that til now... :shock:


Where've you been girl?   :wink:   This has been around the forum for about a week and a half, although no one has brought it up recently, I guess...until now.

There was a lot of info on that last week, for sure.  Can we get into those older threads?  Anyone know?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


Hey i saw that..someone asked her about evidence, and she sort of nodded her head towards the HUGE stack that was falling out of her arms....I saw that too  :shock:


Let's see. Seven to eight hours to go through all of that. That's like going through your whole summer's reading list in eight hours. Way to go guy!
No Cliff Notes for you.


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.

My Son's car  has a "Body Kit" clearance is about 2in. From the road.
You Can't "Off Road" with it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:37:12 AM
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:


Title: Re: being nosey
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.



Was this a rumor or a fact?



Good LORD..I had not heard anything like that before right this very minute...if that is fact, then why in the world havent we heard that til now... :shock:


we never categorized it as other than rumor.  it was something a radio TOP 95.1 FM guy on aruba said last week early  he was reviewing various stories he had heard, some of which he thought credible or at least looking into.  

-  hysterical woman on marriot beach
-  guy saw hysterical woman being snatched by two guys in front of HI, reported incident and was blown off
-  natalee eating with two guys, one very black and one white at marriott
-  then there is natalee trying to pump an atm for 20 minutes while Lazlo waited for her.  did lazlo do it?  seriously if she used the atm there is a record and the cash could also be a motive for robbery.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"

I would think you would be more interested in having Greta talk to the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!![/quote]

that and someone posted something about one of the hotel cameras picking up a girl walking alone on the beach.  whatever became of those two accounts??  

rumour or just not ever followed up on?


I have heard these two stories repeated on this forum. Do we know what the sources are?


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.

My Son's car  has a "Body Kit" clearance is about 2in. From the road.
You Can't "Off Road" with it.

Same here. Husbands car had a body kit and sometimes it was hard to just leave a mcdonalds parking lot without it scraping the bottom.


Title: Re: neing nosey
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Good LORD..I had not heard anything like that before right this very minute...if that is fact, then why in the world havent we heard that til now... :shock:


Where've you been girl?   :wink:   This has been around the forum for about a week and a half, although no one has brought it up recently, I guess...until now.

There was a lot of info on that last week, for sure.  Can we get into those older threads?  Anyone know?


hey PINE..LOL>.i guess I just had my eyes closed for a minute whan that was up..GOOD Lawdy...lol..I do think we can look back into the archives..if you see it, let me know about which run and which thread you saw it on...I must be goin' blind..LOL


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.


I can see that..teeanagers are very proud of their cars..


Yes, the mother even said that is why he always had Satish drive him and drop him at work and pick him up because he didn't want to leave his car unattended while he was working.  Very proud of his car and didn't want any damage to it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: "neil"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame.


Good work! Don't most gas stations have cameras?

Edited to add: Woops... I guess "low" means low to the ground...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "neil"
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said police have scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the investigation, CNN reported.

Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. the morning Holloway disappeared and, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told him he had left Holloway on the beach and was walking home. Kock said Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe about 40 minutes later that he had arrived
 There is a rumor that there was a Van der Sloot ATM transaction at 3:00AM.  

Also the Kalpoe mom in an intervied said that her son told her that he was worried about the drive to the lighthouse because the car was low.  I think she meant low on gas.  

If this ATM rumor is true is certainly could not have been dad Van at the ATM, otherwise there would be evidence to keep him in jail, so it would have been Joran at the ATM, probably getting money to put gas in the Kalpoe car to transport Natalee's body.  There is serious doubt that Joran could have disposed of the body without a car, unless he appropriated a small boat near the Marriott.

A wonder if the police have looked into gas purchases near the Marriott in that time frame.

LOW as "Low to the ground" it has a " Body Kit"


that is what i took it to mean as well, meaning the car was low to the ground.


They did show a pic of the car--I think a Honda-it was "modified" body kit and all--so I think she did mean Body Kit


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:


No Doubt! I watched Dash get run off this weekend and that's why I haven't posted, maybe the Trolls will be back at work under their respective bridges today.
 :cry:
I only lurked this weekend, this is way too emotional for me to get in the middle of the fighting, this weekend was SAD @ SM. I hope today is better w/ the ppl who care and genuinely want to see resolution and justice for all involved. And THANKYOU to the good Monkeys who behaved  :wink:

:here's some banana's for the good monkeys:


Title: Re: being nosey
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "joebob"
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "Rosalie"
the person who says they saw two men dragging ?? a woman off the beach in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee vanished !!!!


It is interesting that the decision was made not to follow up on that.



Was this a rumor or a fact?



Good LORD..I had not heard anything like that before right this very minute...if that is fact, then why in the world havent we heard that til now... :shock:


we never categorized it as other than rumor.  it was something a radio TOP 95.1 FM guy on aruba said last week early  he was reviewing various stories he had heard, some of which he thought credible or at least looking into.  

-  hysterical woman on marriot beach
-  guy saw hysterical woman being snatched by two guys in front of HI, reported incident and was blown off
-  natalee eating with two guys, one very black and one white at marriott
-  then there is natalee trying to pump an atm for 20 minutes while Lazlo waited for her.  did lazlo do it?  seriously if she used the atm there is a record and the cash could also be a motive for robbery.


iquitos, those you listed above - all rumour, correct?  and does lazlo = lorenzo?  or is lazlo a new "character"?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:


No Doubt! I watched Dash get run off this weekend and that's why I haven't posted, maybe the Trolls will be back at work under their respective bridges today.
 :cry:
I only lurked this weekend, this is way too emotional for me to get in the middle of the fighting, this weekend was SAD @ SM. I hope today is better w/ the ppl who care and genuinely want to see resolution and justice for all involved. And THANKYOU to the good Monkeys who behaved  :wink:

:here's some banana's for the good monkeys:

there was ALOT of bickering over the weekend. I hope it is better today also. Maybe it was the full moon.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "roxyluv"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
.  

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding.  Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter?



Or you could also ask, would you say what are saying about your own son?
<<

Mornin' All!

...

So, yes, I think I would say about my son any of the things I have stated about Joren but he would be the first to hear it directly from me, post haste.


Anne, between you and my Mom, Joren wouldn't stand a chance  :?
<<

Well, for those wondering about the psychological ramifications on children reared in such a manner, remember that first of all said son knows I love him more than life itself.  The one I used as an example now holds advanced degree from Georgetown, speaks five languages well enough to pass govt test (imagine that, Eu'ers! an American with language skills!) and holds a highly sensitive job for which he was tested for days including being connected to a polygraph machine for six straight hours.  And that was just to get the job!  Random polys given still.  At least he does not have to worry about keeping his stories straight,  :D

And apparently, no damage to his personality not character but maybe the opposite.  Aiding and abetting sets a child up for a lifetime of sorrow.  Life is complicated enough without creating problems.  I don't know if this is a cultural thing or personal one for I am American but of Dutch ethnicity so tend to think it is a matter of personal ethics and beliefs about what is right and wrong., a parents role (teach them empathy) and what constitutes basic decency.   :(


 anna you are so right but it is also about genes.  kids come out different.  you can have all kinds in one brood.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 11:46:09 AM
dash got run off?   :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: "bobntexas"
Quote from: "MominTN"
yes...all this and the guy can not catch the plane???
_________________

Do you really believe any of their excuses after all that we have heard?  Perhaps he didn't like what he was being sent to do....


Actually the plane was broken.
<<

And with the entire world watching via international media, there was only ONE plane on the entire island?  

I think the first judge has been scared off the case.  Perhaps this one is more to local LE's liking.  He did come in, guns ablazing', releasing suspects.

When lecturing us Americans on how we must respect the legal systme of others, is that not like respecting a person, it must earn some respect in some manner?  Of course this systme works for it has stood the test of time but it is the way it is being applies that causes our hair to stand on end, just as it does when in this country it is bungled.

Everyone is aware that the Cluey man in Florida who admits murdering the little Lundsford girl held her for days with the cops at the door and he has about room temp IQ.  All you need is a roll of duct tape for those who think it takes a genius and special equipment, consider how this very simple-minded man did just that and even search dogs, within sight of her home.  But are you aware someone just happened to  :!: FORGET TO READ HIM HIS RIGHTS  :!: and so he may walk?  Bet he does not walk far.  But there are calls for the resignation of Chief of Police and DA as well there should be along with a slew of arresting officers.

There should be an exception to that law for someone who has been arrested repeatedly like this man.  He can probably quote it from memory.  Why should it have to be read each and evry time!  But for now, that is the law and any judge in the country will throw this one out!  I can only hope new charges like kidnapping or holding against the will or something can be brought and his rights read to him or there is some way to correct this.  Otherwise, he walks!

So the legal system is only as good as those enforcing it.   :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


Yep. It was in Saturday's thread.  :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 11:48:47 AM
this is a translation of an article from the Brabant Dagblad - courtesy of hasibokos -

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm

Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair, is here mostly known for his 20-year-long fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Boxtel

Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brassband and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba, he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to go partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxtel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway to be build on part of his land , was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply..

Tilburg

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.

New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Nieuwsblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.

Judge

Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.
--
 

Translation by Hasibokos.com of an article by Brabants Dagblad published on Monday 27th of June.[/url]


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:


No Doubt! I watched Dash get run off this weekend and that's why I haven't posted, maybe the Trolls will be back at work under their respective bridges today.
 :cry:
I only lurked this weekend, this is way too emotional for me to get in the middle of the fighting, this weekend was SAD @ SM. I hope today is better w/ the ppl who care and genuinely want to see resolution and justice for all involved. And THANKYOU to the good Monkeys who behaved  :wink:

:here's some banana's for the good monkeys:




Diva, I hear ya..this weekend I saw alot of monkeys flinging crap..it was a ZOO in here for sure...I have been a lurker in the evenings because of all that went on in here..VERY sad and VERY inappropriate... :twisted:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


BAMA..it was pathetic to say the least...I dont think I have ever seen RED so mad..I dont think he even posted the rest ofthe night after that... :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 11:50:21 AM
Anna while it is slow in here, you might like this thread

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=393


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


for the most part i stayed out of that one but --- did leave.  she has left before and always came back.  as bad as it get here. we are still pretty disciplined compared to others because we try to separate known facts from rumors and speculation while at the same time we use all we get, fact and fiction to spin scenarios.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 11:51:26 AM
- guy saw hysterical woman being snatched by two guys in front of HI, reported incident and was blown off
Maybe time to revisit  That ???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 27, 2005, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


Hey i saw that..someone asked her about evidence, and she sort of nodded her head towards the HUGE stack that was falling out of her arms....I saw that too  :shock:



anyone notice how croes is out with much fanfare after PVDS goes so unnoticed and quickly ???  My aruban friends had no idea pvds was going to be released yesterday nevermind him homefor dinner....  not much news out of aruba... :roll:
maybe the head news guy is no longer (there)?? :?:
see u guys later.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Red on June 27, 2005, 11:55:49 AM
New post up on main page regarding the weekend fund raiser in MB.

Turns out some of our own Monkeys were present ... Thanks for your help.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192

Red


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


BAMA..it was pathetic to say the least...I dont think I have ever seen RED so mad..I dont think he even posted the rest ofthe night after that... :cry:


Boy, it did get out of hand there for a while didn't it?  And I don't think Dash will be visiting us again.  She was very upset.  There was no need for it to have taken place like it did.  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sb on June 27, 2005, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: "sandraK"
There are certain circumstances under which a person who has murdered a U.S. national in a foreign country can be arrested by U.S. authorities anywhere in the world and tried for the murder, but the murder must be related to an act of terrorism.


I don't think at this point that we can say that it WAS NOT related to an act of terrorism. Especially if someone as yet unknown got involved.


Title: mojo post
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 11:57:57 AM
thanks for that backgound mojo.   :D


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
anybody notice the armload of evidence file the female prosecuter carried into court yesterday?


Hey i saw that..someone asked her about evidence, and she sort of nodded her head towards the HUGE stack that was falling out of her arms....I saw that too  :shock:


Probably the evidence was mixed with a bunch of beaurocratic court papers.  Governments thrive on bureacracy.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


for the most part i stayed out of that one but --- did leave.  she has left before and always came back.  as bad as it get here. we are still pretty disciplined compared to others because we try to separate known facts from rumors and speculation while at the same time we use all we get, fact and fiction to spin scenarios.


iquitos, You are right about some of us being more disciplined than others..and thank GOD for some sanity here....The daytime posters are better about this i thnk,IMHO..weekend posters can be bad about character assassination, as well..and it is NOT everybody...and that is good..."CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??"


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


for the most part i stayed out of that one but --- did leave.  she has left before and always came back.  as bad as it get here. we are still pretty disciplined compared to others because we try to separate known facts from rumors and speculation while at the same time we use all we get, fact and fiction to spin scenarios.


iquitos, You are right about some of us being more disciplined than others..and thank GOD for some sanity here....The daytime posters are better about this i thnk,IMHO..weekend posters can be bad about character assassination, as well..and it is NOT everybody...and that is good..."CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??"


. . .NECK.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "iquitos"
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


for the most part i stayed out of that one but --- did leave.  she has left before and always came back.  as bad as it get here. we are still pretty disciplined compared to others because we try to separate known facts from rumors and speculation while at the same time we use all we get, fact and fiction to spin scenarios.


iquitos, You are right about some of us being more disciplined than others..and thank GOD for some sanity here....The daytime posters are better about this i thnk,IMHO..weekend posters can be bad about character assassination, as well..and it is NOT everybody...and that is good..."CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??"


. . .NECK.



See? exactly my point...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 12:04:35 PM
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 27, 2005, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.


I can see that..teeanagers are very proud of their cars..


21 years old is not a 'teenager'.
It's just a correction, but feel free to get angry and call me a 'troll'.
I know your M.O.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.




I myself have often wondered about the women whom were formally involved with JVDS..I have often wondered if any of them have been questioned..IMHO, I feel that there are probably many women who have been involved with JVDS, contrary to what AVDS has said about there only being 2...I feel they could give everyone insight into how he reacts to women....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(
<<

I know I am caustic and wonder if I offend or up the volume.  Going to just lurk for a bit in hopes of a more moderate tone.  But on other list, it was much worse than this one over weekend.  Total assault, bash and trash about everything under sun.

Bad as we were, it was worse elsewhere.  I think more folks had time over the weekend to post was the reason, many free from work.  But I do wish it would stay more on topic and others would not take this opportunity to inform us of everything wrong and negative about us, our culture and country.  Most are completely aware of these opinions and do not need to hear them hourly.  Repetition is not going to change much.

And if the board can be tied up answering the same questions several times a day, this might be more to the liking of some who for whatever reasons do not want the truth be told or do not like what they are reading.  If they can't silence us, they can keep us busy defending our opinions or repeating the same over and over.  I continue to be surprised at how many will ask the same questions that have been answered so many times that it is hard to believe they missed the information after constant repetition both here and in the media.

OTOH, how are we to keep abreast of new developments or get answers to our questions?  So, don't know but think things will tone down with people back at work today.  But I do not get the "look at the victim, fam and friends" concept in such graphic and forensic detail.  It doesn't matter unless there is evidence this pertains in some way and in this case, to date, there is none.  It becomes just elaborate victim bashing which is painful to fam and friends.  Unless there is a connection or a real reason to do so, I just think they should be off limits.  Proof of a reason BEFORE bashing victim.  I don't see even anything suspect there in this case, pretty straightforward.  They have been interrogated and think if reasons existed they have long been brought forward and until they are, it is just beyond speculation.  Others seem to think differently and think the victim should some how be deemed worthy before there can even be suspects.  Odd thinking that, at least to me.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 12:07:25 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.



m'kay... you need a lil' time away from the ol' computer my friend...


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.


I can see that..teeanagers are very proud of their cars..


21 years old is not a 'teenager'.
It's just a correction, but feel free to get angry and call me a 'troll'.
I know your M.O.



Actually, I have no "m.o"..and i wasnt going to , nor do i think i have ever called anyone a troll....It is attitudes such as this that are posing such a problem here..everyone occasionally makes mistakes, and I do not think every small one should be constantly pointed out, and in such a derrogatory manner... :twisted:


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 12:12:09 PM
quote="bgcntry7221 years old is not a 'teenager'.
It's just a correction, but feel free to get angry and call me a 'troll'.
I know your M.O.[/quote]


That is an inciting statement!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 12:15:15 PM
21 years old is not a teenager, but it is a time a of youth and i know plenty of single young males in their early 20's (and some a bit beyond) that are very prideful of their vehicles.  so, i don't find deepak to be any different.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
21 years old is not a teenager, but it is a time a of youth and i know plenty of single young males in their early 20's (and some a bit beyond) that are very prideful of their vehicles.  so, i don't find deepak to be any different.


Thanks Bama..that was the point I was TRYING  to make ... :D


Title: Is everyone out to lunch?
Post by: Kristy on June 27, 2005, 12:17:22 PM
Its getting close to 1pm and there is nobody posting ?  How odd.   :shock:

Ahh .. nevermind, the board's time is an hour behind my time.  Nevermind !!!


Title: Re: Is everyone out to lunch?
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: "Kristy"
Its getting close to 1pm and there is nobody posting ?  How odd.   :shock:

That's because there's no news :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:



What happened with Dash..and WHO ran her off? a reg?


No Doubt! I watched Dash get run off this weekend and that's why I haven't posted, maybe the Trolls will be back at work under their respective bridges today.
 :cry:
I only lurked this weekend, this is way too emotional for me to get in the middle of the fighting, this weekend was SAD @ SM. I hope today is better w/ the ppl who care and genuinely want to see resolution and justice for all involved. And THANKYOU to the good Monkeys who behaved  :wink:

:here's some banana's for the good monkeys:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Marie on June 27, 2005, 12:18:56 PM
What happened to run Dash off?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: trimmer on June 27, 2005, 12:19:45 PM
Has anyone heard the report of the married woman who went missing in the past couple of days from a cruise ship in Cozumel?
Going there soon on a cruise, little nervous.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "Professor"
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.




I myself have often wondered about the women whom were formally involved with JVDS..I have often wondered if any of them have been questioned..IMHO, I feel that there are probably many women who have been involved with JVDS, contrary to what AVDS has said about there only being 2...I feel they could give everyone insight into how he reacts to women....


One thing I would ask women who have been with Joran is if they were ever at the Marriott beach with him at night, and if they were, exactly where did he take them.  Perhaps there is evidence of Natalee at these spots.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kristy on June 27, 2005, 12:20:17 PM
I fixed the time difference ... Now I understand there is posting.  I thought the last post was at 11something ....  :oops:

all better now.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 12:22:04 PM
no probs iquitos

i keep running this thing through my head - that maybe there's something out there that we've missed and the second story is true - but i keep coming back to the lie, gerold dompig and the confession, something bad happened. it all keeps coming back to joran.

if the kalpoes can be verified as being at home - logged on to their computers, using mobile phones etc, that brings us back to joran. joran on the beach at the marriott...joran claiming to walk home and framing it with a phone call and a text message?....so we're down to the time between 2 am when the kalpoes supposedly arrived at home and 2:40 when he left a voice mail. how was his voice? could you hear anyone in the background?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: "trimmer"
Has anyone heard the report of the married woman who went missing in the past couple of days from a cruise ship in Cozumel?
Going there soon on a cruise, little nervous.


here's a link
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/headline/world/3241121


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
heavyheart wrote:
.

This board was founded with people that wanted to talk about the story, learn about Natalee and be a place of understanding. Not a place place for character assasination.

Remember next time before you hit the submit button...would you say what you are saying about your own daughter



Heavyheart, you just spoke the TRUTH if I have EVER heard it..There has been so much back biting lately  :cry:


No Doubt! I watched Dash get run off this weekend and that's why I haven't posted, maybe the Trolls will be back at work under their respective bridges today.
 :cry:
I only lurked this weekend, this is way too emotional for me to get in the middle of the fighting, this weekend was SAD @ SM. I hope today is better w/ the ppl who care and genuinely want to see resolution and justice for all involved. And THANKYOU to the good Monkeys who behaved  :wink:

:here's some banana's for the good monkeys:


What happened that Dash was run off this weekend.  Also MBHS05---what happened to both girls.  I also have barely seen AmericaninAruba on here.  I usually only post when I know def details or have a strong feeling/question to ask...but I have noticed no one responding to my posts or mine get deleted out when someone is quoting--it's not a good feeling--cuz I am concerned and want to help or whatever in this matter also!  I even ghost the trolls!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 12:22:33 PM
Steve's X -wife and son are  @ the jail waiting for his release.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: "Kristy"
I fixed the time difference ... Now I understand there is posting.  I thought the last post was at 11something ....  :oops:

all better now.


lol, Kristy.  It's okay.  It's Monday!!!!   :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bgcntry72 on June 27, 2005, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
What happened to run Dash off?


The 'I don't have a real job so I sit here and create drama with overreactions' crowd got into it with the 'I just found this board and can't believe how seriously these people take themselves' crowd.
People called each other trolls, or character assassins, and other pleasant names.
I, for one, was on my boat, with my family, away from the wired world.
Some of you need a real hobby, not just 'concerned housewife'.
My $.02.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 12:22:59 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
dash got run off?   :(


Dash showed a lot of courage to be here in the first place.  It can't be easy to talk openly about a friend disappearing like this.  

I don't blame her if she never comes back, but I will say that I respect her for her strength and wish her the best of luck in the future.

For her sake I pray that they find her friend.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "Professor"
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.




I myself have often wondered about the women whom were formally involved with JVDS..I have often wondered if any of them have been questioned..IMHO, I feel that there are probably many women who have been involved with JVDS, contrary to what AVDS has said about there only being 2...I feel they could give everyone insight into how he reacts to women....


One thing I would ask women who have been with Joran is if they were ever at the Marriott beach with him at night, and if they were, exactly where did he take them.  Perhaps there is evidence of Natalee at these spots.



Very good question..i wonder if he DOES have regular spots he frequents..hmmm...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: trimmer on June 27, 2005, 12:24:56 PM
Thanks Tkubi7.  Pretty uneasy about the upcoming trip.
Thanks Again


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:25:16 PM
Hi Everyone..  just got caught up reading..!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
no probs iquitos

i keep running this thing through my head - that maybe there's something out there that we've missed and the second story is true - but i keep coming back to the lie, gerold dompig and the confession, something bad happened. it all keeps coming back to joran.

if the kalpoes can be verified as being at home - logged on to their computers, using mobile phones etc, that brings us back to joran. joran on the beach at the marriott...joran claiming to walk home and framing it with a phone call and a text message?....so we're down to the time between 2 am when the kalpoes supposedly arrived at home and 2:40 when he left a voice mail. how was his voice? could you hear anyone in the background?


Was it a voice mail at 2:40? If so, why didn't Satish answer the phone? I know the latter question can't be answered by us.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sb on June 27, 2005, 12:25:51 PM
I think over the weekend that this board attracted some people who are sympathetic to Joran...maybe some Arubans. Plus the blame-the-victim crowd.

WHY some people have to believe the worst about Natalee and the MB kids, I have no idea. Some people have this pathological thing that if a girl is pretty and/or rich, she brings things on herself. Disgusting.

We have GOT to keep our eyes on the fact that NATALEE is the VICTIM. And quit feeling sorry for Joran and his dysfunctional family. (I do have some sympathy for the Kalpoes' mom.)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shataken on June 27, 2005, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: "trimmer"
Has anyone heard the report of the married woman who went missing in the past couple of days from a cruise ship in Cozumel?
Going there soon on a cruise, little nervous.


I went to Jamaica last week after the american tourist was murdered and everybody just stayed on the resort properties.  Everybody had planned on going to Dunns river falls, but too many "bad" things happening to Americans in the caribbean right now.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Marie on June 27, 2005, 12:27:43 PM
But we also have to keep in mind that there's always a possibility that they are innocent. We just don't know enough facts or have enough evidence. Yes, they lied, we know that. But that's about ALL we know.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kat on June 27, 2005, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "Marie"
What happened to run Dash off?


The 'I don't have a real job so I sit here and create drama with overreactions' crowd got into it with the 'I just found this board and can't believe how seriously these people take themselves' crowd.
People called each other trolls, or character assassins, and other pleasant names.
I, for one, was on my boat, with my family, away from the wired world.
Some of you need a real hobby, not just 'concerned housewife'.
My $.02.


Well said.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 12:30:16 PM
Anyone on that speaks pap. I think they are discussing the case on Top 95


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 12:30:27 PM
i hate that for dash.  i thought she was very brave in coming on here and answering "monkey questions".  what about mbhs05?  was she run off as well?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: "bobntexas"
Quote from: "mojo"
no probs iquitos

i keep running this thing through my head - that maybe there's something out there that we've missed and the second story is true - but i keep coming back to the lie, gerold dompig and the confession, something bad happened. it all keeps coming back to joran.

if the kalpoes can be verified as being at home - logged on to their computers, using mobile phones etc, that brings us back to joran. joran on the beach at the marriott...joran claiming to walk home and framing it with a phone call and a text message?....so we're down to the time between 2 am when the kalpoes supposedly arrived at home and 2:40 when he left a voice mail. how was his voice? could you hear anyone in the background?


Was it a voice mail at 2:40? If so, why didn't Satish answer the phone? I know the latter question can't be answered by us.


you're right bob - i think i've read it was a voicemail BUT that is not stated in the CNN article

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html

Kock said those records show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.[/url]


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 12:32:50 PM
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said Sunday he felt the investigation was moving in the right direction, noting that police scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the probe.

Kock said those records show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.

The lawyer said in that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told Kalpoe he left Holloway on the beach and was walking home.

Koch said that about 40 minutes later -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived.

"I just think this goes to show that the story that Deepak and Satish are telling ... is substantiated by facts," Kock said


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: "sb"
I think over the weekend that this board attracted some people who are sympathetic to Joran...maybe some Arubans. Plus the blame-the-victim crowd.

WHY some people have to believe the worst about Natalee and the MB kids, I have no idea. Some people have this pathological thing that if a girl is pretty and/or rich, she brings things on herself. Disgusting.

We have GOT to keep our eyes on the fact that NATALEE is the VICTIM. And quit feeling sorry for Joran and his dysfunctional family. (I do have some sympathy for the Kalpoes' mom.)


VERY well said


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KKM on June 27, 2005, 12:35:07 PM
MBHS05 is at camp this week.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
What happened to run Dash off?


There were a bunch of new posters here that were convinced that vdS and the Kalpoes  were innocent.  They were making remarks about Natalee that did not portray her in the best of lights.  This was happening for a couple of hours before Dash arrived, and was in full swing when she showed up,  The new posters did not know who she was.  Dash apparently started reading some of the posts, which were not directed to her, and took objection to them.  She seemed very upset by the posts and finally said she was leaving.   The admins had a very hard time that day.  People were upset that one of their friends was banned the day prior.  A 17 year old girl came on and whined about how Natalee ruined her vacation, her parents cancelled her trip to some island somewhere.  I tried to side step the whole thing.  I tried to contribute on-topic, respectful posts so that I could, as much as possible, contribute in a positive way.  I thought it might dilute some of the negativity.  Perhaps the folks that obey the rules around here should band together when trolls enter and drown them out by setting a good example.  Thoughts?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: trimmer on June 27, 2005, 12:36:23 PM
Thanks shataken. Watching my back for sure.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 12:36:57 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
David Kock, defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, said Sunday he felt the investigation was moving in the right direction, noting that police scrutinized cell phone records and Internet traffic as part of the probe.

Kock said those records show Joran Van Der Sloot called Deepak Kalpoe about 2:40 a.m. on the morning Holloway disappeared.

The lawyer said in that call, according to Deepak Kalpoe's statements, Joran Van Der Sloot told Kalpoe he left Holloway on the beach and was walking home.

Koch said that about 40 minutes later -- about the time it would take him to walk home -- Joran Van Der Sloot text-messaged Deepak Kalpoe to tell him he had arrived.

"I just think this goes to show that the story that Deepak and Satish are telling ... is substantiated by facts," Kock said


"text-messaged" meaning "sent a text message via cell phone" or meaning "emailed from home computer" ?  

Why would he send a message to confirm her got home? Was there a prior arrangement to pick him up?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 12:37:09 PM
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.

My Son's car  has a "Body Kit" clearance is about 2in. From the road.
You Can't "Off Road" with it.


I have to admit I don't understand the appeal of "Low riders" at all

esp in Canada during the winter, saw some fool driving a low rider when there was ice and snow on the road, I think I heard the crunching

I like a nice shiny sports car, bright colours, stripes, the neon lights the kids put on the cars, I love spoilers but the two inches off the ground thing- I don't get it


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "Marie"
What happened to run Dash off?


The 'I don't have a real job so I sit here and create drama with overreactions' crowd got into it with the 'I just found this board and can't believe how seriously these people take themselves' crowd.
People called each other trolls, or character assassins, and other pleasant names.
I, for one, was on my boat, with my family, away from the wired world.
Some of you need a real hobby, not just 'concerned housewife'.
My $.02.


Dont you enjoy reading posts? I mean.. you're here also just like the rest of us!!  Hope you had a lovely time on your boat.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: CanoneroII on June 27, 2005, 12:38:56 PM
Hello everyone.  This is my second post and I had some technical issues last night so I'm hoping that all goes well this second time around.

My thought is that this is more of an elaborate scheme, a smokescreen.  We have been told different stories in relation to where Natalee may have been droped off that night, which is of concern to me. It is really hard to get a grasp on what if any of what has been relayed to us is credible. Of course, our ability to test different scenarios is compromised by not having more knowledge surrounding the events of May 30.  I have very little doubt that there are more answers out there that have not been disclosed in relation to this dissapearance.  The suspects, primarily, Joran have more information he's not disclosed in my estimation.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.

It makes no sense to me why Joran would let Deepak know he was home.  There is more to this than meets the eye.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 12:40:57 PM
OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 12:41:43 PM
FOX News ALERT!! Flowers delivered to VDS home, Anita and Paulus not at home, card was in Dutch, an unidentified lady came to the gate, smiled and took the flowers in.

Stay tuned for fair and balanced details on this exciting development as they unfold.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.


Are they from Geraldo or Greta - or the monkey?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 12:42:08 PM
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: trimmer on June 27, 2005, 12:42:20 PM
Has anyone heard anything else about the investigation into the security guards from the beach concert that were staying at the HI? Did they really investigate this or was this just rumor?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.


I thought i heard that too a little earlier.. BUT I didnt want to say anyhitng on here if I wasnt sure.. !! I guess Im not loosing my mind afterall.!! :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cathicus on June 27, 2005, 12:42:32 PM
Interesting read by Clint Van Zandt, considering his FBI background.  Nothing new but he does go through the various theories and responds to them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8376303/


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.


it has been theorized that he may have called asking for a lift home since deepak apparently stayed up at night on his computer. we know nothing to support this

you may be right about two and three, but if that was the case, why not work out your story better so you don't have to change it. these bulbs all seem rather dim to me.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Orangecrush on June 27, 2005, 12:42:57 PM
Dan Post at Riehl

Breaking Aruba

Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.

Posted by Dan in Natalee Holloway | Permalink


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 12:43:06 PM
Breaking news - from Riehl World:

Quote
Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Yikes..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 12:43:50 PM
I had a hard time finding the site today?????/  Anyway so I looked at the blog (the one we use to use before this) and there are people claiming to be psychic and it is pretty interesting.  Anyone else seen that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: OldFart on June 27, 2005, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.


Just wonder if location of call could be identified by cell tower location that handled the call(S)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.


I thought i heard that too a little earlier.. BUT I didnt want to say anyhitng on here if I wasnt sure.. !! I guess Im not loosing my mind afterall.!! :lol:


did the delivery "boy" have a mustache???  :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 12:44:04 PM
I'm watching FOX news and watching an outpouring of support as people line up to deliver flowers. . . . .

. . . .to the van der Sloots!

I cannot adequately express my thoughts at this moment. So, I will just leave you with that image.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sandy"
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.

It makes no sense to me why Joran would let Deepak know he was home.  There is more to this than meets the eye.


I think you do not understand the cell phone and text messaging habits of teenagers or young people

my one nephew teases his brother because he does basically the same thing only worse, he'll be one minute from arriving at X's house and has to call X to say I'm almost at the door, it's like an addiction, how did we ever get through our teenage years without one, barbaric huh


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 12:44:27 PM
good morning monkeys  :)

I have a few things about the phone calls and statements made the 1st few days of Natalee's disappearance.
First off, wasn't it one of the brother's statement that Joran called them about an hour after they dropped him off and joran had said; "I  have to tell you what happened, I'll be online in about an hour when I get home?"
I'm wondering what ever happened to that version and what exactly did he have to tell them??????  Raises too many questions????

On another note; another shark attack just in with teen in fla. 40 miles from fridays attack, WTH?


Title: Re: Is everyone out to lunch?
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 27, 2005, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Kristy"
Its getting close to 1pm and there is nobody posting ?  How odd.   :shock:

That's because there's no news :(



Theres know knew news


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 12:44:32 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Any truth to this? I read over on RW that "WE" had said a body had been found... It's like reading in circles...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: a Troll on June 27, 2005, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: "bgcntry72"
Quote from: "Marie"
What happened to run Dash off?


The 'I don't have a real job so I sit here and create drama with overreactions' crowd got into it with the 'I just found this board and can't believe how seriously these people take themselves' crowd.
People called each other trolls, or character assassins, and other pleasant names.
I, for one, was on my boat, with my family, away from the wired world.
Some of you need a real hobby, not just 'concerned housewife'.
My $.02.

Dash did not get run off.  She chose to announce that she was leaving the board.  There were no personal attacks or character assasinations.  

Dash knew NH personally and she is a 17-18 year old kid.  Therefore, it's understandable that she might take some comments personally that a 25+ year old who has no personal relationship with NH would not.    A similar reaction might be had if personal friends of Joran read these threads.

For adults, talking about the possibility of sex, drugs, and alcohol are not character attacks, they are normal behaviors by the majority of adults.  

Personally, I thought Dash (and mbhs05) provided some good insight to the board in the first few weeks, as people were looking to get an idea of who NH was and what happened.   At this point, all the background info is out there, and anything else that Dash knows is probably being witheld to keep from interferring with LE.  She implied that she knew alot more (knew Joran was guilty...), but whether that is true or not doesn't really matter.  If she does know more, I'm sure the people who need to know it also know it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Any truth to this? I read over on RW that "WE" had said a body had been found... It's like reading in circles...


From Riehlworld website:

Breaking Aruba
Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.


Title: Re: Deepak's car
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "iquitos"
deepak is very careful with his car.  no rough roads and no rough stuff in the back seat.  he loves his car.

My Son's car  has a "Body Kit" clearance is about 2in. From the road.
You Can't "Off Road" with it.


I have to admit I don't understand the appeal of "Low riders" at all

esp in Canada during the winter, saw some fool driving a low rider when there was ice and snow on the road, I think I heard the crunching

I like a nice shiny sports car, bright colours, stripes, the neon lights the kids put on the cars, I love spoilers but the two inches off the ground thing- I don't get it

A front spoiler is commonly positioned under the front bumper to reduce aerodynamic drag. A rear spoiler is used to create down force to help increase traction during acceleration


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
I'm watching FOX news and watching an outpouring of support as people line up to deliver flowers. . . . .

. . . .to the van der Sloots!

I cannot adequately express my thoughts at this moment. So, I will just leave you with that image.


I know how you feel..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
Quote
I read over on RW that "WE" had said a body had been found... It's like reading in circles


No, but we are all over this flower delivery story. We own it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:48:46 PM
Fox hasnt said anything yet about the dogs or the quarry..
they actually said no news as of yet about the search...
I cant get over the flower BS either.. WTF?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Yikes..


Holy Cow--I am at work with no access to TV--only foxnews online--which seems to be behind---

Hearing this makes me think a couple different outcomes-----now I am anxious!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 12:49:52 PM
Fox just showed a live news cast of the searchers and said nothing has been found so far, and no new developments in search.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 12:50:02 PM
Now might be a good time to say a little prayer for the family...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "nisxan"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Riehl just reported on his site that there is a HIT with the dogs in some quarry near the VDS home. Divers are coming in.


Any truth to this? I read over on RW that "WE" had said a body had been found... It's like reading in circles...


Breaking Aruba
Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.


Are these the mines that folks wanted to have searched?


Title: tourist killed in Jamaica?
Post by: tara on June 27, 2005, 12:50:15 PM
I'm a lurker - never post; just read. But I saw the post that mentioned an American tourist being killed in Jamaica. Can someone tell me more abot that or give a link?   thanks very much


Title: Blew it?
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 12:50:44 PM
Wonder what kind of arrest/conviction rate these Aruba LE guys have. I really think they must be very pissed the Curacao judge released PVDS.

Sends an unmistakeable message to Perfect Joran that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM! Obvious that LE had PVDS in to bvluff a confession out of Joran, which they need very badly. As soon as thje fathers arrest was known to Joran, he must have realized all he has to do is keep quiet and wait it out. Sad.

The Aruba LE blew the best chance at physical evidence by noit seizing vehicles and searching immediately post arrest(s).

Acted like a southern rural Department in the '30's. Let the 3 go for days and days while rousting those two security guards very thouroughly.

So, the prejudice of the society has in a way, sacrificed the poor girl and all of us as the investigation was probably ruined right there.

By the way, that's a pretty big ocean. To think that she would have been buried or hidden landward is ridiculous.

So sorry Miss Natalie. I cried for you in the tears of last Saturday as my blonde daughter was taking her marriage vows.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Now might be a good time to say a little prayer for the family...


Nice thought.. I have done so already!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Fluffy Monkey on June 27, 2005, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote
I read over on RW that "WE" had said a body had been found... It's like reading in circles


No, but we are all over this flower delivery story. We own it.


Now THAT'S funny.


Title: My time line
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 12:51:13 PM
May 29th Sunday/  May 30th Monday.

8am-10pm  
Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .
Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar. Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

2pm-7?pm.  
Did Nat take a nap?, shower, shopping drink, eat? pack? take pictures?

5pm?            
Paul Van Der Sloot Arrives in Beatrix Airport with young son Valentijn? Did Joran pick up his father?

7pm-11pm       
MUSIC CONCERT Havana Beach Club
Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill, Boyz II Men, Hosted by Doug E. Fresh.  Chances are that did Joran meet Natalee here?  Did Mickey Jones meet Natalee and or Joran here?  Was Satish here?  Deepak was working at the Internet café. Was SGC here as well? Where the Security Guards looking for targets? Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

8pm-10pm   
Joran won 4th place in a Poker Tournament?  Was it here that Natalee met Joran for the first time? Reports from Bill O’Reilly, fellow MB student said that Joran may? have met Nat 2 to 3 days before.

11pm      
Paul picks up son Joran at McDonalds. Deepak closes the Internet café and little brother Satish picks Deepak up.  They then head to Jorans house to pick go to CnC.

11.30pm-1.30am.       
Carlos and Charlies. About 40 Mountain Brook student were here eating or drinking.  Scuffle broke out, reason unknown. Bryan Reynolds, 18, "There was almost a fight between my friend and him," Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects. That was the first people who came to mind," said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends. [http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml]

12.00am-1.30am       
Joran sneaks out, arrives with Kalpoes Brothers. Scuffle with Mountain Brook male student.

1.30am-2.30am      
Cruising at California Lighthouse, Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?

Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn

2.30am-3.00am      
Joran’ s house??, Drowing, OD,Hazing, Kidnapped by SBF security?

2.40am      Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone?

3.30am      Joran reaches home at Montana #9


Title: body in quarry
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 12:53:02 PM
no post that there is a positive hit in the quarry here that i saw. did red or tom post it o main page.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: CanoneroII on June 27, 2005, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Now might be a good time to say a little prayer for the family...



I'll second that....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: PeeCee on June 27, 2005, 12:53:09 PM
Steven Croes (according to Geraldo and others) voluntarily went to the police and said he saw the boys drop Natalee off at the HI.

This explains why the police believed the boys.

To me, this is why the case has problems. If Croes had not lied, the trail to Natalee would have been clearer. I'm surprised that Croes isn't being prosecuted for filing a false report, tampering with an investigation, something.

But why would Croes do this? What's his motivation? I could see if he was saying, why, no, those boys coudn't have stolen that candy bar because I saw them elsewhere. This wasn't trivial. A girl was missing.

So why did he do it? Friendship is just not a good enough answer. What do the boys know about Croes that would make him agreeable to lie for them?

On a lighter note: Do you think PVdS will do another interview with Greta :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 12:53:25 PM
Are you sure that the scuffle with Joran and the mb students were at CNC's that night.  I heard it was earlier in the week.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 27, 2005, 12:54:01 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves on the post about Riehl saying the dogs got a hit at a quarry. We went through enough of that the night of 6-10 when CNN said there had been a confession.


Title: Re: body in quarry
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 12:54:38 PM
Quote from: "iquitos"
no post that there is a positive hit in the quarry here that i saw. did red or tom post it o main page.


I was just over on Riehls site and saw it just posted, thought i would share it.

That's all  :?:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: OldFart on June 27, 2005, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Ribbon"
Let's not get ahead of ourselves on the post about Riehl saying the dogs got a hit at a quarry. We went through enough of that the night of 6-10 when CNN said there had been a confession.


Agree... But we can hope & pray that it is true.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "bamajo"
21 years old is not a teenager, but it is a time a of youth and i know plenty of single young males in their early 20's (and some a bit beyond) that are very prideful of their vehicles.  so, i don't find deepak to be any different.


Thanks Bama..that was the point I was TRYING  to make ... :D


I knew exactly what you meant...it was pretty clear to me.  Many young adults still have the teen mentality....goodness...age doesn't necessarily equate to maturity....and that was certainly proven this past weekend....what a mess...I finally turned my computer off....shameful what some people feel they have a right to say...why?  just cause.  And when the administrators feel the need to ban a poster...I respect their right to do so, without question.  


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 12:55:42 PM
Umm  Nikki and Momto5..  you gals still here??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 12:56:58 PM
Yellow Ribbon,

I agree. I said last week that I feel that if the TX team can't find anything by today, they won't find anything at all. These folks are professional searchers, and if they can find something in TX, a place as small as Arubs should be a snap. I have to keep believing she's alive somewhere and will be found...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Umm  Nikki and Momto5..  you gals still here??

Im here sorta (giving baths and making lucnh ya know the drill  :wink: )


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
good morning monkeys  :)

I have a few things about the phone calls and statements made the 1st few days of Natalee's disappearance.
First off, wasn't it one of the brother's statement that Joran called them about an hour after they dropped him off and joran had said; "I  have to tell you what happened, I'll be online in about an hour when I get home?"
I'm wondering what ever happened to that version and what exactly did he have to tell them??????  Raises too many questions????

On another note; another shark attack just in with teen in fla. 40 miles from fridays attack, WTH?


I suspect Joran the player [Don't hate the player hate the game - a slogan noted on his website taken from the song by some rapper]
had a regular ungentlmanly habit of describing his sexual encounters to his homeys

so I would not find his message unusual on the face of it, he could be explaining he had the best sex of his life, or he's met the girls of his dreams or that she was some prude who wasted his time, use your imagination

even teenage girls do that, rehash their exploits with their girlfriends

are we all so far away from that time

we didn't have cell phones or computers so we couldn't call each other up at 3:00am, not without getting in trouble with the parents, and as it was my parents were always trying to get us off the phone - like my mother would say, why are you talking an hour on the phone with someone you are going out with tonight, will you have anything left to talk about tonight.......


Title: Rain rain go away
Post by: Kristy on June 27, 2005, 12:58:22 PM
Omg, its raining so hard we lost out sat. signal .... and fox is about to come on with the release  :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: "momto5"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Umm  Nikki and Momto5..  you gals still here??

Im here sorta (giving baths and making lucnh ya know the drill  :wink: )


i know this is off topic, but momto5, can i just say that as a mom to 2, my hat is off to you!!!!   :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 12:59:54 PM
Well I don't get FOX at all so I am sitting on pins and needles until I hear here what is happening there


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 12:59:54 PM
dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains


Hi all my english grammer is maso menos
What is meant in the above sentence


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:01:03 PM
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:01:06 PM
The dogs don't make a mistake - if they smell something they are on the mark


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 01:01:19 PM
bendex,

it means the dogs will not indicate if they find non-human (other animal) remains

a "hit" would indicate human remains exclusively


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains


Hi all my english grammer is maso menos
What is meant in the above sentence


i take it to mean that the dogs are not prone to false alarms.  they will only express a "HIT" if they find something that is indeed a human remain.  for example, they would not mistake dead monkey remains for dead human remains.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:02:17 PM
Other question for people who live in aruba,

Has there been a history of sexual assaults on Aruba
And if so is there a pattern ?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:02:22 PM
SC been set free as per FOX..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Marie on June 27, 2005, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writergal on June 27, 2005, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains


Hi all my english grammer is maso menos
What is meant in the above sentence



    It means they're trained to react only to the scent of human remains, as opposed to animal remains.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 27, 2005, 01:03:39 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Yellow Ribbon,

I agree. I said last week that I feel that if the TX team can't find anything by today, they won't find anything at all. These folks are professional searchers, and if they can find something in TX, a place as small as Arubs should be a snap. I have to keep believing she's alive somewhere and will be found...


Well let's hope that she will be found alive but that would be a real miracle at this point. I just hope that the family will find her so they can come home. I wouldn't be too discouraged if they can't find her today. If the Island is 19 x 7 miles that is 133 square miles. There is also a lot of water to search.

Just find her.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:03:52 PM
Unlike pregnancy tests - they don't yeild false positives


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: CanoneroII on June 27, 2005, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains


Hi all my english grammer is maso menos
What is meant in the above sentence



Means that dogs being used may have found a scent of a human being, not something other such as garbage for example.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "candygirl"
good morning monkeys  :)

I have a few things about the phone calls and statements made the 1st few days of Natalee's disappearance.
First off, wasn't it one of the brother's statement that Joran called them about an hour after they dropped him off and joran had said; "I  have to tell you what happened, I'll be online in about an hour when I get home?"
I'm wondering what ever happened to that version and what exactly did he have to tell them??????  Raises too many questions????

On another note; another shark attack just in with teen in fla. 40 miles from fridays attack, WTH?


I suspect Joran the player [Don't hate the player hate the game - a slogan noted on his website taken from the song by some rapper]
had a regular ungentlmanly habit of describing his sexual encounters to his homeys

so I would not find his message unusual on the face of it, he could be explaining he had the best sex of his life, or he's met the girls of his dreams or that she was some prude who wasted his time, use your imagination

even teenage girls do that, rehash their exploits with their girlfriends

are we all so far away from that time

we didn't have cell phones or computers so we couldn't call each other up at 3:00am, not without getting in trouble with the parents, and as it was my parents were always trying to get us off the phone - like my mother would say, why are you talking an hour on the phone with someone you are going out with tonight, will you have anything left to talk about tonight.......


I agree with what you're saying, but in light of the brothers lieing along with joran as to what happened the night in question, raises too many questions for me.  I do beleive there's more than lieing for a friend here.....something happened that would or could potentionally place all 3 responsible for her disappearance. I mean friendship only goes so far.....IMO


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
Quote from: "bendex"
dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains


Hi all my english grammer is maso menos
What is meant in the above sentence


i take it to mean that the dogs are not prone to false alarms.  they will only express a "HIT" if they find something that is indeed a human remain.  for example, they would not mistake dead monkey remains for dead human remains.


This is what I assume as well.  :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:04:43 PM
Innocent untill proven guilty !

Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sandy"
What the phone call and text message record tells you:
1. He did exactly what he said he had done started to walk at 2:40 and arrived home 40 minutes later - but this begs the question - why would he announce his whereabouts and itinerary to Deepak at that time of day.
2. He was covering up something and sent the messages to establish a time line for a future cover.
3. Deepak was with him or had been with him and knew something bad had happened and this was code for help is on the way, job done.

It makes no sense to me why Joran would let Deepak know he was home.  There is more to this than meets the eye.


I think you do not understand the cell phone and text messaging habits of teenagers or young people

my one nephew teases his brother because he does basically the same thing only worse, he'll be one minute from arriving at X's house and has to call X to say I'm almost at the door, it's like an addiction, how did we ever get through our teenage years without one, barbaric huh


Maybe at 2.40 Joran was hoping to get a ride, Deepak said he went home and it too late to drive all the way to the beach....Joran says he will walk hope and text msg him later...since the road is dark at night.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 01:05:37 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.

I agree. You never know whose reading what you wrote, and without more facts in front of us we really dont know what happened. We can speculate all day and it doesnt make is true.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I agree, although it is difficult to do.  But remember, nobody will be convicted because of the opinions stated here.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Are you sure that the scuffle with Joran and the mb students were at CNC's that night.  I heard it was earlier in the week.
i think there were two.

 google aruba scuffle and you will find the articles one source is reynolds and another beau.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
Well I don't get FOX at all so I am sitting on pins and needles until I hear here what is happening there

DITTO that......have only CNN and they're saying Nothing, not ziltch!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:06:25 PM
Good morning, everyone, btw.  8)


Title: BREAKING NEWS
Post by: SL on June 27, 2005, 01:07:17 PM
Breaking Aruba

Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.

FROM RIEHLVIEW


SL


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:07:35 PM
Another thing is that they really obviously dont have a strong case against the boys.  Just because their story changed (if I were interrogated/tortured 11 hours a day my story may change out of fear also).  He has not confessed even when they had his da, he probably is not going to.  They may not have done it.  It could very well may be someone else.  SO please yall lets remember this when you all start slamming them.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 01:07:48 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, everyone, btw.  8)


top o' the mornin' to ya as well.  :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: amillerwvu on June 27, 2005, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 01:08:43 PM
Editorial Note:

Please remember to update the breaking news only thread. PVDS release did not get posted there until late evening yesterday.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 01:08:44 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Another thing is that they really obviously dont have a strong case against the boys.  Just because their story changed (if I were interrogated/tortured 11 hours a day my story may change out of fear also).  He has not confessed even when they had his da, he probably is not going to.  They may not have done it.  It could very well may be someone else.  SO please yall lets remember this when you all start slamming them.

Or, maybe Joran HAS confessed and said his dad knew nothing about it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I agree, although it is difficult to do.  But remember, nobody will be convicted because of the opinions stated here.


Sometimes being convicted of peers and people you dont know is more damaging than convicted in court.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "Professor"
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message to one of the founders of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum are people of integrity and are people whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with them as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have your voice heard. I have made a similar announcement at Riehl World.




I myself have often wondered about the women whom were formally involved with JVDS..I have often wondered if any of them have been questioned..IMHO, I feel that there are probably many women who have been involved with JVDS, contrary to what AVDS has said about there only being 2...I feel they could give everyone insight into how he reacts to women....


One thing I would ask women who have been with Joran is if they were ever at the Marriott beach with him at night, and if they were, exactly where did he take them.  Perhaps there is evidence of Natalee at these spots.



Very good question..i wonder if he DOES have regular spots he frequents..hmmm...
<<

This would have most likely been already checked in this country where we have more personnel to apply to a case of this nature, especially given the teasing of Joren about "roofies" on one of those websites where he is featured but where would the LE in Aruba even begin for the tragets would not likely be locals.  And remember the practice is to hit girls their last night on vacation so they leave still fuzzy-headed and not thinking clearly.

Girls this young might wonder what happened or think they just passed out or not be able to remember if the sex was consensual or not or even if it happened.  That is part of the point of date rape drugs, the victim cannot remember what happened.  Know a girl who has a baby from just such attack, no idea who the father is and did not realize she was pregnant because she had no recollection of sex. She was in her seventh month before she realized she was even pregnant, thinking she had not had sex and so could not possibly be.  Now being tested every three months for AIDS, too.

These drugs destroy lives and have built in protection for the perpetrators.  But every ssupected sexual predator is investigated for other victims as the establishment of a pattern is admissible evidence in court.  Again, differences in legal systems but might also be admissable in Aruba if there are others and they would come forward.

Our young women must be protected and deserve better than this.  Stiffer sentencing may be required to convice those who would use these drugs that it is just not worth doing so.  It is about far more than just taking sexual advantage of a female for kicks which is bad enough, it has the potential to totally destory lives.

Just my opinion.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Another thing is that they really obviously dont have a strong case against the boys.  Just because their story changed (if I were interrogated/tortured 11 hours a day my story may change out of fear also).  He has not confessed even when they had his da, he probably is not going to.  They may not have done it.  It could very well may be someone else.  SO please yall lets remember this when you all start slamming them.


If they find a body, a confession is more likely.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, everyone, btw.  8)


Morning Wench.. Well.. afternoon here in PA..lol
BTW:  Love the avitar.. ha ha ha ha  Cute!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 01:10:55 PM
Fox Reported SC released and left by side door of station.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 01:11:16 PM
ya know.  i was just thinking.  the authorities or someone should take the information that reihlworld has about the cadaver dogs finding a hit in that quarry near the VDS home, and present that info before young joran, and ask him, "now son, do you have anything further to add?"  i bet that would be very interesting!!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, everyone, btw.  8)


I see it's another bad hair day.... :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?


I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Another thing is that they really obviously dont have a strong case against the boys.  Just because their story changed (if I were interrogated/tortured 11 hours a day my story may change out of fear also).  He has not confessed even when they had his da, he probably is not going to.  They may not have done it.  It could very well may be someone else.  SO please yall lets remember this when you all start slamming them.


If they find a body, a confession is more likely.

True, but you know the thing is, is that some of these people in jail or being released could easily be reading our posts, since this board is so popular.


Title: News! (Sorry if repeat)
Post by: Ocicat on June 27, 2005, 01:13:57 PM
Possible body found in quarry by search dogs--
I found this info on riehlfworldview:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/breaking_aruba.html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "da wench"
Good morning, everyone, btw.  8)


I see it's another bad hair day.... :wink:


hehe...dontcha jus luv it?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:14:42 PM
CNN is also saying no sign.  And they are at the site now.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:15:01 PM
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RichinTx on June 27, 2005, 01:15:54 PM
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


IMO me either.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 01:16:24 PM
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_.html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 01:17:21 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


Joren text messages kalpoe, kalpoe hits the beach.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: CanoneroII on June 27, 2005, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?


I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.


It is reasonable to question why a suspect is lying during the coarse of an investigation.  Usually it is to protect him or herself and others involved.  True, thease are alleged alligations but we also have reason to believe that suspects being detained have more information that's been revieled.


Title: scuffles
Post by: iquitos on June 27, 2005, 01:17:38 PM
can't find #2 anymore.  don't have a date on #1.

excerpts

Holloway’s friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos’N Charlies’, and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot , a tall, broad-shouldered athlete , got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar.

“I broke it up,” said Bryan Reynolds, 18. “It was outside the Carlos’N Charlies’ the second night we were there.”

Reynolds didn’t elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren’t publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway’s family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

l Metro/State l   
 
Suspect was in pushing match

Man had scuffle with some of Holloway's friends

By DANIEL JACKSON
BIRMINGHAM POST-HERALD

One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway's friends said Thursday.
Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates whowent to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.

The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: amillerwvu on June 27, 2005, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: "da wench"

I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.


DW...I agree that I think they are lying about something, but I don't know what.  I have speculated earlier on the board...but I just can't handle some of the "nastiness."  It usually happens later in the day/evening, so I just keep my fingers from typing....I guess I am too sensitive :?  I do, however, enjoy reading what people think, but truly, I am eager to reread posts once this is solved (soon would be nice but :?: ) just to see how close some people have come to the truth.  I like your new monkey post :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 27, 2005, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: "mojo"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "tkubi7"
OK. Now I've seen it all. Fox news just aired a FOX NEWS ALERT:
Flowers delivered to the Van der Sloot home.
I'm not kidding.


I thought i heard that too a little earlier.. BUT I didnt want to say anyhitng on here if I wasnt sure.. !! I guess Im not loosing my mind afterall.!! :lol:


did the delivery "boy" have a mustache???  :lol:


Best line that I've read in days... :mrgreen:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:18:52 PM
Remember, Dash said last evening - we know more than you and he is guilty - I am not suggesting she knows everything but she probably does know more than us - I wonder how concrete that evidence is


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: "RichinTx"
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

Thank you.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 01:19:15 PM
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?
<<

What is your source that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?  At the least Croes lied and said he saw them return NH to the HI, assisting in the arrest of two innocent people and throwing LE off during the most critical time.  I call that something to do with it.  I think he well deserved whatever bad press he got for doing that unless you are saying it is OK to try to deceive LE like that.  I doubt that is what you mean, is it?

And the dad did tell Joren not to tell anything.  You have to wonder why but in any event it will not be known until there is a trial the extent of their involvement so how can you say with such certainty that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Lying for a friend is still something, isnt it?  And I do not mean to flame but think this is just the opposite of what you are accusing others of doing, declaring somebody totally innocent when he corroberated a false story.  We still don't have all the facts and certainly not enough to absolve anybody just as we do not have enough to declare them guilty.

The original false story might not have been believed had not this witness backed it up.  This was during very crucial time, too.

So while we cannot declare anybody guilty, it works both ways that we also cannot declare them innocent based on what information is currently available.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ocicat on June 27, 2005, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: "RichinTx"
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.


 :oops: Sorry! Was on my way out, plus I know when big news hits, sometimes it's easier on people just joining to have an update . But I did not know there had been many postings. :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: swann on June 27, 2005, 01:19:19 PM
I have been on this website reading since the onslaught of this tragedy, I don't care to post but, have been wanting to share the following.  I will try to make it short and sweet, I still get all anxious when I try to explain.

Some years ago a friend and I went to Ixtapa, Mexico.  We traveled alot together taking 1 trip each year.  I was in my mid 20's at the time, partier, wild and somewhat streetwise and roudy.  On the 3rd day there my friend was real sick (Montezumas).  We had been hanging around 2 local guys that worked at our hotel.  I didn't want to sit in the room with my sick friend so I went off with one of the guys we had been hanging around.  No big deal, I wasnn't scared or threatened in any way.  We walked down the beach and sat by the water when all of a suddedn 2 Federales came up on us like the swat team.  One had his foot on the chest of the local with his shotgun in his face laying flat on the sand and the other pointed his gun in my face and yelled "up" and started saying "coca".  He then put the barrel of his gun at my waistline on my shirt and yelled "up".  I got mad!!  A memory of something an aunt told me years earlier rose up in me and the movie Midnight Express came to my mind and I knew I had to get off the beach.  One cop had a hold of my arm and I punched him and ran as fast as one can through the sand and got to a hotel at the end of hotel row and took 2 to 3 steps at a time to get inside.  I was held there all night long until I escaped the following morning.  I tell you, I was prepared to die that night, I was so mad I wasn't really scared.  I told them they'd rape me over my dead body and I meant it.  As long as I was inside the hotel they wouldn't attack, they needed me outside and all night tried to trick me into going out.  I stood my ground all night yelled at them "You can't do this to me I'm American!"  I kept giving them the ole screw you fist in the air.  They were so mad and so ready to take me out but I fought hard!!  

Sorry so long, there is so much more I could share about that night but I don't want to babble.  Gotta go and chill, my whole body is shakin from sharing this, not out of fear but of anger.  

I now know, if you don't want to be exposed to danger or corruption while in another Country, DO NOT leave the Resort premises!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: "CanoneroII"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?


I would be happy to apologize to anyone I have suspected or accused in my mind once the facts come out.  My gut tells me the liars are lying for a reason and NH's mother's instincts are right on.  If I'm wrong about Joran, I will glady apologize for all the ugly feelings I have for him.


It is reasonable to question why a suspect is lying during the coarse of an investigation.  Usually it is to protect him or herself and others involved.  True, thease are alleged alligations but we also have reason to believe that suspects being detained have more information that's been revieled.



Which you could be right and I could be wrong.  I was just saying we shouldnt be so mean in the things we say about them untiil we KNOW.
And I think Fox would have aired the story if they found something, they are tight there at it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


Being the devil's advocate, eh?  It's good that all sides are represented here.  I wish Joran was innocent of committing a crime against NH because he seems to have bright future ahead of him.  I wish it was a slime ball that everyone could love to hate.  Families and lives are destroyed.  I hope we all have answers soon.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:20:17 PM
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:21:21 PM
The natalee dissapearance has a sort of a proffesional fragrece to it . The person responsible for her dissapearance is not a first timer .

Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


IMO me either.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RichinTx on June 27, 2005, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: "Ocicat"
Quote from: "RichinTx"
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.


 :oops: Sorry! Was on my way out, plus I know when big news hits, sometimes it's easier on people just joining to have an update . But I did not know there had been many postings. :oops:


I forgive you. :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?


no word on Fox


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Professor on June 27, 2005, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: "Chaumes"
Quote from: "RichinTx"
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

Thank you.


Please, folks. Please stop telling us to go back and read the posts and not to repost the "hit." We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 01:22:26 PM
Twelve Monkeys:

Best. Avatar. Ever.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "amillerwvu"
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
I think this case has turned into a circus.  Alot of people sat here and dogged Paul VDS and Cruse out, totally ruined their character, and humiliated them.  And now they in fact had nothing to do with it.  We should all remember innocent until proven guilty.  No matter how mad you are you should never lash out unless you know.  NOBODY has been charged yet.  Please keep this in mind when you want to dog someone out.  Too many people read this board.  Crues was just released by the way.


I couldn't agree more. Let's wait for the facts.


I totally agree with you..I have resorted to "lurk" mode on this board because it gets too heated for me with so many accusations being flung around.  I am ready for the facts/truth to be released.  I think once the facts are out, it will be interesting to go back and read what has been posted...everywhere :?
<<

What is your source that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?  At the least Croes lied and said he saw them return NH to the HI, assisting in the arrest of two innocent people and throwing LE off during the most critical time.  I call that something to do with it.  I think he well deserved whatever bad press he got for doing that unless you are saying it is OK to try to deceive LE like that.  I doubt that is what you mean, is it?

And the dad did tell Joren not to tell anything.  You have to wonder why but in any event it will not be known until there is a trial the extent of their involvement so how can you say with such certainty that they had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Lying for a friend is still something, isnt it?  And I do not mean to flame but think this is just the opposite of what you are accusing others of doing, declaring somebody totally innocent when he corroberated a false story.  We still don't have all the facts and certainly not enough to absolve anybody just as we do not have enough to declare them guilty.

The original false story might not have been believed had not this witness backed it up.  This was during very crucial time, too.

So while we cannot declare anybody guilty, it works both ways that we also cannot declare them innocent based on what information is currently available.


If you were in the shoes of these boys would you want people judging you.  None of us are judges in the case and none of us are God.  SO who are we to cast judgement.  They are very tight lipped and almost every theory that we came up with has been blown.  Its called innocent until PROVEN guilty.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 01:23:09 PM
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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 01:23:21 PM
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:24:38 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?


no word on Fox


Thanks gagirl, I thought there might be since the update is saying media is around the sight.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RichinTx on June 27, 2005, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
Quote from: "Chaumes"
Quote from: "RichinTx"
PEOPLE!!!! Please go back and at least read 2 or 3 pages when you first log on.  We've been reading for 5 or 6 pages now about the "hit" by the dogs at the quarry.  We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.

Thank you.


Please, folks. Please stop telling us to go back and read the posts and not to repost the "hit." We don't need it posted over and over and over and over.


This...coming from the poster of the "Former victims of JVDS lurking on this board, please contact the FBI" posts.  I think I've read that one about 10 million times there Proffy.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: CanoneroII on June 27, 2005, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


Being the devil's advocate, eh?  It's good that all sides are represented here.  I wish Joran was innocent of committing a crime against NH because he seems to have bright future ahead of him.  I wish it was a slime ball that everyone could love to hate.  Families and lives are destroyed.  I hope we all have answers soon.


Good investigators explore all possible scenarios with evidence gathered, yes among a whole host of information, patterns, etc.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gagirl on June 27, 2005, 01:25:43 PM
inthepacific :

I'll let you know if anything gets said.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:26:18 PM
If I want a body to dissapear I put it in a freezer no dog , no infared plane can detect that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SL on June 27, 2005, 01:26:34 PM
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.

from RW

SL


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RichinTx on June 27, 2005, 01:27:38 PM
Quote from: "SL"
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.

from RW

SL


Thanks, what would we do without you?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
If I want a body to dissapear I put it in a freezer no dog , no infared plane can detect that.


That's where I hide my bodies.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: "SL"
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.

from RW

SL


Fox and CNN both showed live shots of the divers a little while ago, and it didnt look like anything was going on and they said there were no signs.  But who knows.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
inthepacific :

I'll let you know if anything gets said.


mucho gracias gagirl!

Thank-you!

 :mrgreen:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I heard that last night as well.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bendex"
If I want a body to dissapear I put it in a freezer no dog , no infared plane can detect that.


That's where I hide my bodies.


 :shock:


 :lol: I won't tell  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: "SL"
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.

from RW

SL



That may be why there is nothing on FOX or CNN news......is there anyone here who can get the Aruban news?

edited once


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
Quote from: "SL"
Update

Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.

from RW

SL


Fox and CNN both showed live shots of the divers a little while ago, and it didnt look like anything was going on and they said there were no signs.  But who knows.


Maybe they dont want to look stupid again by saying something again without 100% verification.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I have to agree...a statement like "we will find her today" makes you wonder if there isn't a confession. I mean how could they be so sure? Good observation Sunny!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writergal on June 27, 2005, 01:31:56 PM
I just had a creepy thought. Suppose Joran and the Kalpoes are actually being held in protective custody rather than being detained as suspects? It would explain the fact that none of them has confessed yet, and it would also explain why we hear so many vague and conflicting stories about what they've said or not said.
    Are the authorities waiting for this to blow over, and the Holloways and the camera crews to go home? For the public to lose interest in the case?
   I realize the above theory sounds farfetched, but this is such a bizarre case that almost anything seems possible.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 01:32:00 PM
Any one know how deep this is?  From a diving perspective, there is deep and then DEEP.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 01:32:05 PM
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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I heard that last night as well.


Did it strike you as strange? I was immediately taken back by the statement.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jane on June 27, 2005, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: "Orangecrush"
Dan Post at Riehl

Breaking Aruba

Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.

Posted by Dan in Natalee Holloway | Permalink


I think this is it. They may have just found Natalee.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 01:32:54 PM
A hit in a location that is known to have had human remains previously.


Title: Donde esta la biblioteca, Pedro?
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: "golden"
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Which radio station?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: "golden"
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Sorry Guys, I just arrived home...missed all the action.

I did read just now about the hit from the search team, but my contact on Aruba said that it was old news, and the same thing I read here also, but why o why is this just showing up at Riel World View, and when rechecking they just placed an UPDATE about 10 minutes agio???

Are they so behind the news??? Or did they received new information about a new hit???

According to my wife about the mother of Steve Croes:
She said that she is happy that her son got released abd that she knew from the beginning that her son was inocent and that she did not have any proof but only her motherheart talking.

She herself is sick, and she need treatment at Curacao but she wil spend some time with her son first at Aruba.

According to the mother her son is a very soft person, even when she is receiving treatment her son can not stay with her, because he can´t stand to see her suffer. And that he is a very jolly person. During the whole time that her son was detained, she wasn´t allowed to see her son. She respected that decision that she could not see her son.

Thats more or less what my wife recals from the interview the mother gave to Top FM 95

Greetings Teo


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "bendex"
Sorry guys , you will probably hate me for saying this .
I dont think Joran is guilty to the disapearance of natelee maby responsible for leaving her alone on the beach but not guilty in her dissapearance .

I not going to put more energy in fitting in rumours to these 3 boys , I am going to explore the non obvious route.


Being the devil's advocate, eh?  It's good that all sides are represented here.  I wish Joran was innocent of committing a crime against NH because he seems to have bright future ahead of him.  I wish it was a slime ball that everyone could love to hate.  Families and lives are destroyed.  I hope we all have answers soon.
<<

Surely we do not hate each other because of differences of opinions  :!:   No, I always try to read even more carefully and give full consideration to those who do not agree with me to try to understand their reasons why.  I, for one, really like the different input and opinion because I want to know why one would think as they do about the situation and so consider things I might not have thought about before.  How else could we get that perspective?

I do like it to be reasonable, logical and well-thought-out of course, not just blindly defending somebody but when it is logical and factual, I always feel I need to know that info.  If we all agreed, would not make for much of a discussion and I think those whose opinions are different than my own are the most likely to tell me something I do not already know.  I think most of us are pretty open and receptive to any new facts and theories, at least I know I am.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jane on June 27, 2005, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: "Professor"
I'm watching FOX news and watching an outpouring of support as people line up to deliver flowers. . . . .

. . . .to the van der Sloots!

I cannot adequately express my thoughts at this moment. So, I will just leave you with that image.


Yes. That will be quite an image if simultaneously they are finding the remains of Natalee Holloway near the home.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: "joebob"
A hit in a location that is known to have had human remains previously.


Yes, I wonder if this cadaver dog is SO good that he's detecting the scent of the old remains.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word

I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.

To tell you the truth, I just thought they must have a strong suspician about the quarry based on the location of it.

I heard that last night as well.

Did it strike you as strange? I was immediately taken back by the statement.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 01:35:09 PM
SunnyinTX:

Nice observations.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 01:35:55 PM
My taughts

The timeframe does not ad up, it takes a very calculated and cool person to make a person dissapear. Supposedly three panick strucken wankers cannot do all this in a small timeframe of supposedly 2 hours.

And I think that natalee has not been murdered on the night of the 30th of may. I think they harmed her the days afterwards.  
 
Joran does not fit the profile.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 01:36:46 PM
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell them about the conversation... and was arrested.

She might come back later if she finds out more info.

She says Steve is NOT friends with the Kalpoe brothers.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:37:19 PM
Hmmm per FOX.. SC went to the police because he was at the interent cafe and heard Deepak on the phone.. now the reporter dont know what he heard OR what time it was.. ughhhh....


Title: Re: Donde esta la biblioteca, Pedro?
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "golden"
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Which radio station?


TOP 95


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "golden"
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Sorry Guys, I just arrived home...missed all the action.

I did read just now about the hit from the search team, but my contact on Aruba said that it was old news, and the same thing I read here also, but why o why is this just showing up at Riel World View, and when rechecking they just placed an UPDATE about 10 minutes agio???

Are they so behind the news??? Or did they received new information about a new hit???

According to my wife about the mother of Steve Croes:
She said that she is happy that her son got released abd that she knew from the beginning that her son was inocent and that she did not have any proof but only her motherheart talking.

She herself is sick, and she need treatment at Curacao but she wil spend some time with her son first at Aruba.

According to the mother her son is a very soft person, even when she is receiving treatment her son can not stay with her, because he can´t stand to see her suffer. And that he is a very jolly person. During the whole time that her son was detained, she wasn´t allowed to see her son. She respected that decision that she could not see her son.

Thats more or less what my wife recals from the interview the mother gave to Top FM 95

Greetings Teo


So much commercial on Top today..whatdup?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell him about the conversation... and was arrested.


This is not a good sign


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell him about the conversation... and was arrested.


That's interesting, but not enough info.  Getting little tidbits is so frustrating.  WHAT conversation???  The conversation where they concocted the lie?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 01:38:36 PM
Angela  "Aruba Today", is talking !


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:39:18 PM
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: momto5 on June 27, 2005, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell him about the conversation... and was arrested.


That's interesting, but not enough info.  Getting little tidbits is so frustrating.  WHAT conversation???  The conversation where they concocted the lie?

She said they werent even friends. he just overheard a conversation and went to the police to tell them what he heard. The police felt he must have some involvement based on what he told them he heard. Wonder what he heard?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell him about the conversation... and was arrested.


This is not a good sign

Then again - did they not say Steve corroborated the boys alibi - so he would have heard something that supported the boys - guess I am getting confused


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "golden"
[/b] Does anyone one speak Pap?  Steves mom said she would talk to Aruban press first.  They have been discussing this case for a while. I can't understand much except the names.  Teo are you on?


Sorry Guys, I just arrived home...missed all the action.

I did read just now about the hit from the search team, but my contact on Aruba said that it was old news, and the same thing I read here also, but why o why is this just showing up at Riel World View, and when rechecking they just placed an UPDATE about 10 minutes agio???

Are they so behind the news??? Or did they received new information about a new hit???



Teo, this seems to be new news from Riehl!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:41:26 PM
Sandra.. Is Aruba girl on the radio???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Zazzu on June 27, 2005, 01:42:04 PM
Dash did not get run off.  She chose to announce that she was leaving the board.  There were no personal attacks or character assasinations.  

Dash knew NH personally and she is a 17-18 year old kid.  Therefore, it's understandable that she might take some comments personally that a 25+ year old who has no personal relationship with NH would not.    A similar reaction might be had if personal friends of Joran read these threads.

For adults, talking about the possibility of sex, drugs, and alcohol are not character attacks, they are normal behaviors by the majority of adults.  

Personally, I thought Dash (and mbhs05) provided some good insight to the board in the first few weeks, as people were looking to get an idea of who NH was and what happened.   At this point, all the background info is out there, and anything else that Dash knows is probably being witheld to keep from interferring with LE.  She implied that she knew alot more (knew Joran was guilty...), but whether that is true or not doesn't really matter.  If she does know more, I'm sure the people who need to know it also know it.[/quote]

That was pretty much the way I saw it as well.........


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 01:42:09 PM
Teo, Camp, What are they saying now?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: PeeCee on June 27, 2005, 01:42:19 PM
If this has been answered, please forgive my ignorance:

Exactly what is the location of the quarry to the VdS home?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


There are also numerous photos of them together from their websites.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 01:42:39 PM
delete


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 01:42:42 PM
Steve do NOT Know  Joran....Never did.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:42:46 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


I agree Wench.. maybe she has her facts messed up ...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 01:42:56 PM
They are just now saying on Top 95 that indeed the Texas team got a hit near JvdS house

So I will keep Top 95 on for now...if there is any confirmation I will let you know.

www.arubadag.com


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I have to agree...a statement like "we will find her today" makes you wonder if there isn't a confession. I mean how could they be so sure? Good observation Sunny!


Is it possible that there isn't a confession, but they actually got the "hit" last night and wanted to make sure that the family was notified first, before the press started swarming in?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:44:12 PM
It is a circus!!!  They are holding people for no reason whatsoever.  This in unhumane.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:45:26 PM
Maybe the flowers were sent to throw the dogs off


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RichinTx on June 27, 2005, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.



I have to agree...a statement like "we will find her today" makes you wonder if there isn't a confession. I mean how could they be so sure? Good observation Sunny!


Is it possible that there isn't a confession, but they actually got the "hit" last night and wanted to make sure that the family was notified first, before the press started swarming in?



Excellent Point EMom.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
They are just now saying on Top 95 that indeed the Texas team got a hit near JvdS house

So I will keep Top 95 on for now...if there is any confirmation I will let you know.

www.arubadag.com


Thank you SO much Teo... aprreciate it.. keep us posted!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Teo"
They are just now saying on Top 95 that indeed the Texas team got a hit near JvdS house

So I will keep Top 95 on for now...if there is any confirmation I will let you know.

www.arubadag.com


Thank you SO much Teo... aprreciate it.. keep us posted!!


 :?  I'm listening and all I hear is music, then some weird elevator music.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Steve's Mom just said: Steve Croes was in internet café... he overheard a conversation of Deepak on the telephone... he went to police to tell him about the conversation... and was arrested.


That's interesting, but not enough info.  Getting little tidbits is so frustrating.  WHAT conversation???  The conversation where they concocted the lie?


Perhaps he is not allowed to tell that information IF it's true....he might be a prosecution witness and if he told it would more than likely not be admissable??  I feel in my soul a conclusion is very near....anyone else got that feeling??


Title: Dash's departure
Post by: Just Wondering on June 27, 2005, 01:48:23 PM
I am afraid Dash may have been more hurt by Frances Ellen Byrd's comment on Greta " Her GOOD friends would not have let her get in that taxi".
I have the feeling that Dash's "Mother" instincts ("Are you OK Natalee?", checking the other bars making sure no one was left behind,etc.) may have let her down and Frances Ellen's comment cut to the quick.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: "Zazzu"
Dash did not get run off.  She chose to announce that she was leaving the board.  There were no personal attacks or character assasinations.  

Dash knew NH personally and she is a 17-18 year old kid.  Therefore, it's understandable that she might take some comments personally that a 25+ year old who has no personal relationship with NH would not.    A similar reaction might be had if personal friends of Joran read these threads.

For adults, talking about the possibility of sex, drugs, and alcohol are not character attacks, they are normal behaviors by the majority of adults.  

Personally, I thought Dash (and mbhs05) provided some good insight to the board in the first few weeks, as people were looking to get an idea of who NH was and what happened.   At this point, all the background info is out there, and anything else that Dash knows is probably being witheld to keep from interferring with LE.  She implied that she knew alot more (knew Joran was guilty...), but whether that is true or not doesn't really matter.  If she does know more, I'm sure the people who need to know it also know it.


That was pretty much the way I saw it as well.........[/quote]

I too found that NOBODY ran her off this board yesterday. She went by her own free will. I think the one girl got to her(who's mother wouldn't let her go on a senior trip to Cancun) This girl was banned, and it seemed Dash was very upset by her remarks which she then said she had had enough and left.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 01:49:34 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I have to agree...a statement like "we will find her today" makes you wonder if there isn't a confession. I mean how could they be so sure? Good observation Sunny!


Is it possible that there isn't a confession, but they actually got the "hit" last night and wanted to make sure that the family was notified first, before the press started swarming in?


From what I understand they use one day to plot out possiblilties and the next to explore those possibilities.  They were talking last night about some possible "hits" on the sonor.  But this might be different when using the dogs.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 01:49:38 PM
Is this the quarry Geraldo was questioning on whether it had been searched?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 01:49:55 PM
If the Texas team found her in a few days, the Arubian Authorities and the FBI will look downright incompetent (to say the least).


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Perhaps he is not allowed to tell that information IF it's true....he might be a prosecution witness and if he told it would more than likely not be admissable??  I feel in my soul a conclusion is very near....anyone else got that feeling??

I inexplicably started crying when I read a hit had been found in the quarry.  And I'm NOT a psychic.  It was a weird, overwhelmingly heavy & sad feeling.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LostinTime on June 27, 2005, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


Yes they did know each other but I've been going over transcripts this morning and Jorans mom Anita said he didn't see them that often. Iv'e been trying to find transcript regarding the Kalpoe brothers just happening to be at Jorans house when Holloway-Twitty showed back up. That has been bugging me


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2005, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


The two Kalpoe brothers appear in photographs with Joran, so they obviously know him.

The depth of their friendship is certainly in question, however.  

The most revealing disclosure was when Deepak was quoted saying,

"I should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy"

Why would Deepak say this, and reference a friend generically as 'the Dutch boy', unless Deepak has knowledge or reason to believe that Joran is dangerous or that Natalee wouldn't be safe with him because he was known to have a violent or criminal past with women?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kandeyingeorgia on June 27, 2005, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
It is a circus!!!  They are holding people for no reason whatsoever.  This in unhumane.


I disagree.  JVS and the Kalpoe brothers were the last to see NH alive.  They have admitted this.  They have also lied from the beginning.  The only reason to lie is guilt IMO.  What is inhumane is that Natalee disappeared on May 31 and has not been seen or heard from since.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve do NOT Know  Joran....Never did.


Again Sandra you make a very pointed KNOWING statement about Steve....?????


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: "tkubi7"
Is this the quarry Geraldo was questioning on whether it had been searched?


That's what I am trying to figure out..

If the quarry near VDS home is the same as the dump/pond that had not been searched on Hannity & Clomes!!??

Same spot? or 2 diff. places?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 01:52:22 PM
Is this the quarry Geraldo was questioning on whether it had been searched?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 01:52:53 PM
Sorry, nothing yet folks...just be patience

Teo

My wife said that I missed something when I was typing a while ago. According to her while I was placing my attention on typing as fast as I coulod for you, she said that Top also mentioned that they had more news, but they are waiting for confirmation...

hmmmmm.....

I am getting real curious..

When I hear more, I shall place it here.

Teo
www.arubadag.com for 7 arubian radiostations


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 01:53:48 PM
"I should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy"

Why would Deepak say this, and reference a friend generically as 'the Dutch boy', unless Deepak has knowledge or reason to believe that Joran is dangerous or that Natalee wouldn't be safe with him because he was known to have a violent or criminal past with women?

When did Deepak say this? To whom


Title: Please add or refine any time slots
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
My taughts

The timeframe does not ad up, it takes a very calculated and cool person to make a person dissapear. Supposedly three panick strucken wankers cannot do all this in a small timeframe of supposedly 2 hours.

And I think that natalee has not been murdered on the night of the 30th of may. I think they harmed her the days afterwards.  
 
Joran does not fit the profile.


May 29th Sunday/  May 30th Monday.

8am-10pm       
Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .      
Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar. Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

2pm-7?pm.        
Did Nat take a nap?, shower, shopping drink, eat? pack? take pictures?

5pm?            
Paul Van Der Sloot Arrives in Beatrix Airport with young son Valentijn? Did Joran pick up his father?

7pm-11pm       
MUSIC CONCERT Havana Beach Club
Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill, Boyz II Men, Hosted by Doug E. Fresh.  Chances are that did Joran meet Natalee here?  Did Mickey Jones meet Natalee and or Joran here?  Was Satish here?  Deepak was working at the Internet café. Was SGC here as well? Where the Security Guards looking for targets? Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

8pm-10pm   
Joran won 4th place in a Poker Tournament?  Was it here that Natalee met Joran for the first time? Reports from Bill O’Reilly, fellow MB student said that Joran may? have met Nat 2 to 3 days before.

11pm      
Paul picks up son Joran at McDonalds. Deepak closes the Internet café and little brother Satish picks Deepak up.  They then head to Jorans house to pick go to CnC.

11.30pm-1.30am.       
Carlos and Charlies. About 40 Mountain Brook student were here eating or drinking.  Scuffle broke out, reason unknown. Bryan Reynolds, 18, "There was almost a fight between my friend and him," Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects. That was the first people who came to mind," said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends. [http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml]

12.00am-1.30am       
Joran sneaks out, arrives with Kalpoes Brothers. Scuffle with Mountain Brook male student.

1.30am-2.30am      
Cruising at California Lighthouse, Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?
      
Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn

2.30am-3.00am      
Joran’ s house??, Drowing, OD,Hazing, Kidnapped by SBF security?

2.40am      Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone?

3.30am      Joran reaches home at Montana #9


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
They are just now saying on Top 95 that indeed the Texas team got a hit near JvdS house

So I will keep Top 95 on for now...if there is any confirmation I will let you know.

www.arubadag.com


Thanks so much....lets keep hoping and praying they find Natalee


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 01:55:31 PM
Quote from: "kandeyingeorgia"
Quote from: "Shellbell"
It is a circus!!!  They are holding people for no reason whatsoever.  This in unhumane.


I disagree.  JVS and the Kalpoe brothers were the last to see NH alive.  They have admitted this.  They have also lied from the beginning.  The only reason to lie is guilt IMO.  What is inhumane is that Natalee disappeared on May 31 and has not been seen or heard from since.


When I was 17 I met a guy at the beach when we were on family vacation, he walked me to my motel and that was it.  He never wrote or called whn I got home.  I received a call from the FBI that he had been shot in the parking lot and wanted to know what I saw.  I didnt see anything, so that was that.  He lived though.  If he were have died are you saying I should have been arrested?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 01:55:32 PM
Part of me doesn't want this news, because I know it will be bad.  The other part of me knows that her parents need closure, no matter how bad the news is.

I think now is a great time to say a prayer for Natalee and her family and friends.  God please bless them!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Sorry, nothing yet folks...just be patience

Teo

My wife said that I missed something when I was typing a while ago. According to her while I was placing my attention on typing as fast as I coulod for you, she said that Top also mentioned that they had more news, but they are waiting for confirmation...

hmmmmm.....

I am getting real curious..

When I hear more, I shall place it here.


Thanks again Teo.. I tuned in but dont understand word of it.. We are curious as well..!!

Teo
www.arubadag.com for 7 arubian radiostations


Title: Flowers at the VDS Home
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 01:55:39 PM
I can understand the flowers being sent to the home.  

If my best friends or neighbors were accused of doing something awful like this, and I felt in my heart that there was no way they could, I would want them to know that I supported them.  Especially when the whole world is completely against them and trashing them at every corner.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jane on June 27, 2005, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Anyone with Fox? Any word yet on this HIT with the dogs?

Not a Word


I remember hearing either this morning or late last evening that a member of TexasEquusearch said he thiught they would find her today....did anyone else her that?   And now there is a rumor that the dogs have a 'hit'.  Could it be the reason PVDS was released and agreed to talk re: Joren is that Joren has confessed...to an accident? And PVDS will atttest that this is what he was told?  Perhaps I am reaching...but TXE is good...these guys are trained experts and I was amazed that Tim made that statement.  

Now we wait and pray.


I was thinking something along those lines, too. It's unheard of for searchers to be so confident about finding a body at all much less say it will be in a day or two.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
It is a circus!!!  They are holding people for no reason whatsoever.  This in unhumane.


Maybe it was a "ploy" by LE to make the other 3 "think" he knew something, Shell? I mean I've heard stranger things..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LostinTime on June 27, 2005, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

That doesn't make any sense at all.  Both parents admit the boys knew each other.


Yes they did know each other but I've been going over transcripts this morning and Jorans mom Anita said he didn't see them that often. Iv'e been trying to find transcript regarding the Kalpoe brothers just happening to be at Jorans house when Holloway-Twitty showed back up. That has been bugging me


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 01:59:50 PM
Quote
This in unhumane.
[/b]
I totally agree!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 01:59:58 PM
Editorial Note:

With the increased traffic I would encourage you to stay on topic and possibly limit the conversation to breaking news as you get it from your "sources".

I am only here to help you to keep the information flowing.


Title: LE
Post by: Hubmd on June 27, 2005, 02:03:17 PM
Hi,

Good afternoon

I would like to know who is LE.

Thank you for the answer


Title: Re: Dash's departure
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on June 27, 2005, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: "Just Wondering"
I am afraid Dash may have been more hurt by Frances Ellen Byrd's comment on Greta " Her GOOD friends would not have let her get in that taxi".
I have the feeling that Dash's "Mother" instincts ("Are you OK Natalee?", checking the other bars making sure no one was left behind,etc.) may have let her down and Frances Ellen's comment cut to the quick.


I think you may be overreading Byrd's statement. I think she was saying that had they seen Natalee getting into the car with the three boys that they would not have let her. Did Dash say she saw Natalee get into the car? I thought she said that they lost track of Natalee between groups.

It has been pretty intense in here when I have checked in the last few days so that obviously contributed to Dash saying that she was leaving. I bet she is also very exhausted. I know I am. I can't imagine how hard this is for Dash and Natalee's other classmates


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
He only heard a conversation at internet cafe.  That is why he was arrested (just on Fox).  INHUMANE!  LE Is blowing this case.


Title: Re: Flowers at the VDS Home
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
I can understand the flowers being sent to the home.  

If my best friends or neighbors were accused of doing something awful like this, and I felt in my heart that there was no way they could, I would want them to know that I supported them.  Especially when the whole world is completely against them and trashing them at every corner.


I agree...if they were friends of mine and I believed in them I'd probably be taking something cooked to their house.  It seems like they are well respected in their circle.....and Gofd forbid if I was even involved in something to awful I would hope my friends would do the same.  

I did pick up something last night that I thought was a biyt odd....when Paulus was released he said he wanted to get home to his wife....not his 'family'.....this made me wonder where the other children might be?  Probably means nothing....but it struck me as strange.

Praying and hoping


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mojo on June 27, 2005, 02:04:34 PM
LE = law enforcement


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 02:05:12 PM
LE is law enforcement


Title: Re: LE
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: "Hubmd"
Hi,

Good afternoon

I would like to know who is LE.

Thank you for the answer


Law Enforcement


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: no x it on June 27, 2005, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
If the Texas team found her in a few days, the Arubian Authorities and the FBI will look downright incompetent (to say the least).


I think Equusearch is the tops in this type of recovery.  This is the first time the dogs have really been allowed to work (anybody know of any others?) and a quarry is where they could shine.


Title: Isn't Canashito the quarry area? Where they have the hit?
Post by: Whodunit? on June 27, 2005, 02:05:40 PM
Takes me back to this old info posted here on SM when CNN reported a "confession" that was later deemed "false".......

Taken from SM website (June 10):

>According to the prime minister the fam. didn’t know this until they turned on CNN. The radio stations are also reporting that cops are heading to recover the remains. First it was lighthouse, then it was Bubali Plas (shallow lake), now it’s Canashito, the rock quarry.<

I am very curious about the connection here.  Anyone else thinking what I am thinking?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: billsfan960 on June 27, 2005, 02:06:16 PM
What is LE


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: scared-tom on June 27, 2005, 02:06:53 PM
To Follow up what Absolut said about posting, also please limit your refreshes to 1 a minute.

Thanks

Tom


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 02:07:32 PM
Geez, will you guys take the Dash stuff to a new thread? Enough already!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve do NOT Know  Joran....Never did.


Again Sandra you make a very pointed KNOWING statement about Steve....?????


I noticed that also Sunny ..Once again..


Title: Re: Isn't Canashito the quarry area? Where they have the hit
Post by: no x it on June 27, 2005, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: "Whodunit?"
Takes me back to this old info posted here on SM when CNN reported a "confession" that was later deemed "false".......

Taken from SM website (June 10):

>According to the prime minister the fam. didn’t know this until they turned on CNN. The radio stations are also reporting that cops are heading to recover the remains. First it was lighthouse, then it was Bubali Plas (shallow lake), now it’s Canashito, the rock quarry.<

I am very curious about the connection here.  Anyone else thinking what I am thinking?


How about a hint??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: "Shellbell"
He only heard a conversation at internet cafe.  That is why he was arrested (just on Fox).  INHUMANE!  LE Is blowing this case.


Does anyone wonder why Aruban citizens have not been rushing to LE with information?


Title: Re: Flowers at the VDS Home
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 02:09:46 PM
I did pick up something last night that I thought was a biyt odd....when Paulus was released he said he wanted to get home to his wife....not his 'family'.....this made me wonder where the other children might be?  Probably means nothing....but it struck me as strange.

Praying and hoping[/quote]

If my family were going through this, you can bet that I would try to send my other children as far away as possible.  Those children shouldn't be around all of this.


Title: A confession was reported....
Post by: Whodunit? on June 27, 2005, 02:10:55 PM
by CNN and then hushed up.  Supposed the LE was looking for the remains because one of the boys confessed. Did CNN ever retract their report, or did the Pr Min and LE hush it?  This all REEKS of cover-up to me.......


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 02:11:54 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if they do find Natalee today, exactly 4 weeks to the day she disappeared?  Some pchysic (sorry for spelling) said she would be found within 30 days......I just find this interesting

Praying for Natalee and her family. May God grant them strength!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dpsz on June 27, 2005, 02:12:13 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but how deep is the water in the quarry and could they have used the side scan sonar in the water?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jane on June 27, 2005, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
WTF this reporter saying now that Kalpoe brothers didint even know JVDS???  This is BIZARRE...and SC not friends with them either?
Sounds to me she may have slipped something..

Anita said they had both been to her house.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: americaninaruba on June 27, 2005, 02:13:25 PM
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: AZLady on June 27, 2005, 02:13:38 PM
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 02:15:43 PM
Update

Can only report what I get - mini-press conference held to get Dutch press to back off, members of press were actually trying to get in water for pictures. My report says American media basically playing by the rules. Conference held just to settle things down to proceed.

Last word is something up, rumors dog got a hit, divers need to get to work in quarry as previously reported. Time line unsure per report - doesn't mean that's the case on the ground.

I do know some MSM outlets were also scambling on ground. Look for updates - hopefully before evening.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_5.html


Title: Re: Flowers at the VDS Home
Post by: xcptnl on June 27, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
I can understand the flowers being sent to the home.  

If my best friends or neighbors were accused of doing something awful like this, and I felt in my heart that there was no way they could, I would want them to know that I supported them.  Especially when the whole world is completely against them and trashing them at every corner.


I agree.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 02:16:40 PM
Does anybody know if the pictures that Arubagirl posted yesterday include one of this quarry?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: joebob on June 27, 2005, 02:16:51 PM
How far away is the quarry?

Is it possible that she ran from the Sloot household and fell or is the distance so great that she would have to be placed?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: PoorPaulaNNJ on June 27, 2005, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!


Awwwww!  Congratulations!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!

Great news...thanks for letting us know!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:18:07 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!


Thank you for some good news !! God Bless them both!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 02:19:59 PM
Hey guys..I just got caught up..i was outside gardening and laid my leg in a fire ant bed...UGHHH..so, now I am back and very disturbed about the quarry thing...prayers to the holloway and twitty families :cry: ...I am so upset right now at the thoughts of what may be found....So, let me make sure..the dogs DO NOT hit on anything except human remains, correct?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 02:20:24 PM
Does anyone wonder why Aruban citizens have not been rushing to LE with information?

Excellent point Golden

Going back through the posts you can see that some witness accounts (possibly rumors) were just blown off and now you see someone arrested for trying to help.    The Arubans are probably all to aware of how things are handled by the police there, which is why no one is coming forward.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!


Thank you for some good news !! God Bless them both!



Awww.she is so beautiful in her avatar photo..i am sure baby is too!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve do NOT Know  Joran....Never did.


Again Sandra you make a very pointed KNOWING statement about Steve....?????


I noticed that also Sunny ..Once again..

Monkeys I Have posted a Zillion Times.. It's Nothing!
I just know someone THAT Knows  him.
 
  His  NON involment  will come out soon .and leave it @ That.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 02:21:45 PM
congradulations to DJ!

Americaninaruba, can this be taken to it's own thread. We have some breaking news here and it is very hard to post with all the congrats coming in.

I don't mean to sound rude.

Thanks


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shellbell on June 27, 2005, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
Does anyone wonder why Aruban citizens have not been rushing to LE with information?

Excellent point Golden

Going back through the posts you can see that some witness accounts (possibly rumors) were just blown off and now you see someone arrested for trying to help.    The Arubans are probably all to aware of how things are handled by the police there, which is why no one is coming forward.


If I had any info and lived over there, there is no way in hell I would go tell the LE.  I wouldnt want to be in jail for days being interrogated.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!


Aw--nice amazing news--Congrats to her!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: littletxlady on June 27, 2005, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


Or maybe, just maybe....they don't know anything
Why aren't all the other tourist running to LE reporting their tips?
Maybe, just maybe.....they don't know anything.
The only people that do know anything aren't talking!


Title: Re: Flowers at the VDS Home
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
I did pick up something last night that I thought was a biyt odd....when Paulus was released he said he wanted to get home to his wife....not his 'family'.....this made me wonder where the other children might be?  Probably means nothing....but it struck me as strange.

Praying and hoping


If my family were going through this, you can bet that I would try to send my other children as far away as possible.  Those children shouldn't be around all of this.[/quote]
I agree.  Hopefully they are in Holland with family.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "americaninaruba"
DJ taylor gave birth yesterday at 2.11 am.....her baby weighed in at 8lbs 14oz.  and is 21 inches ! HES ONE BIG BABY! AND ADORABLE!

Aw--nice amazing news--Congrats to her!

Wonderful news!  Hope mama and baby are doing well.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"

  His  NON involment  will come out soon .and leave it @ That.


It already has.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2005, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
 "I should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy"

Why would Deepak say this, and reference a friend generically as 'the Dutch boy', unless Deepak has knowledge or reason to believe that Joran is dangerous or that Natalee wouldn't be safe with him because he was known to have a violent or criminal past with women?

When did Deepak say this? To whom


Mickey John (the framed black security guard) said Deepak admitted while they were both in jail that he "was very upset, saying he should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy."


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 02:26:11 PM
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve do NOT Know  Joran....Never did.


Again Sandra you make a very pointed KNOWING statement about Steve....?????


I noticed that also Sunny ..Once again..

Monkeys I Have posted a Zillion Times.. It's Nothing!
I just know someone THAT Knows  him.
 
  His  NON involment  will come out soon .and leave it @ That.[/quote

OK.. I can respect that... Sounds like you know more about whats happening about this case perhaps? Not arguing with you Sandra..its obvious you know something. Guess we all will find out sooner or later.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tkubi7 on June 27, 2005, 02:27:22 PM
I cannot believe there is nothing on any of the news stations. They report on a flwer delivery but not on a possible find in a quarry?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 02:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo

My Connection Blew 2.... :evil:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo


I am right there with you--I leave it on-even though I don't understand--but I have lost a connection via internet for about 5 min now!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jpepling on June 27, 2005, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo


Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
this also just posted by dan at riehlworld.com:

Quote
"Does anyone want to consider that the networks are not covering this because it is bum information???"

What I can tell you is that it is not "bum" information. It also does not tell you anything will be found for certain. It tells you what you might know if you were riding in a truck by a quarry on Aruba having just left a small press gathering.

Posted by: Dan Riehl | June 27, 2005 02:21 PM



Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....

I agree.  I haven't heard this attitude from anyone but JVDS.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....

I agree.  I haven't heard this attitude from anyone but JVDS.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: "jpepling"
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo


Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...


Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LemonDrop on June 27, 2005, 02:34:36 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"


Re: Steve, if you don't want to be asked about him, don't mention him. Just a thought...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....


I agree Sunny. That was an un-called for statement. There is only so much searching devices that Aruba has on their island. It has been a known fact that this Equusearch team was coming in with sophisticated equipment that not alot of people have.

It's comments like this that are very sad...pointing the finger, the blame game childish behaviour.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 02:35:59 PM
Editorial Note:

With the increased traffic I would encourage you to stay on topic and possibly limit the conversation to breaking news as you get it from your "sources".

I am only here to help you to keep the information flowing.

Also limit your page refreshes to 1 per minute

This affects all threads and all parts of the site.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "jpepling"
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo

Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...

Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com

This gives me the chills.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....


That is unfair.  One person said this and we know from someone else explaining a situation that occured.

You can't stereotype the island of Aruba off of one person!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "sandraK"


Re: Steve, if you don't want to be asked about him, don't mention him. Just a thought...



And a very good thought I might say. You make remarks like that and then seem to get on the defensive if one of us asks about it.  So if you don't post things like thatt...we won't ask.  Okey Dokey?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "jpepling"
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo


Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...


Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com


Thanks Teo for the translation/update.  I also am reconnected and just heard them say Texas Team--that is all I understood!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 02:40:34 PM
me to wench, me too!


refresh my memory - hey, don't we have a "monkey" that is in aruba this week?  wasn't someone going there for an annual vacation this week?  who is it?  anybody else remember?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "jpepling"
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo

Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...

Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com

This gives me the chills.


Me too Wench.. Wonder if the parents are at the sight as well..  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: no x it on June 27, 2005, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....

I agree.  I haven't heard this attitude from anyone but JVDS.

Nor I.  Aruba is showing a lot more concern for natalee than we usually do for our missing persons.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Teo"
Quote from: "jpepling"
Quote from: "Teo"
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

I just lost contact with Top 95 and I can´t get it back on.
If any other arubian on forum now, maybe you can updates us for now?

Teo

Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...

Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com

This gives me the chills.

Me too Wench.. Wonder if the parents are at the sight as well..  :cry:


I was just wondering if Beth was there.  God my heart aches for her.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: EdwinW on June 27, 2005, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Any one know how deep this is?  From a diving perspective, there is deep and then DEEP.


I read that the sea south from Aruba is about 150 meters (450 feet) and at some places 190 meters (570 feet)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:43:19 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
me to wench, me too!


refresh my memory - hey, don't we have a "monkey" that is in aruba this week?  wasn't someone going there for an annual vacation this week?  who is it?  anybody else remember?


Yes.. it was Rob from PA..  Anyone hear from him???????????


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
me to wench, me too!


refresh my memory - hey, don't we have a "monkey" that is in aruba this week?  wasn't someone going there for an annual vacation this week?  who is it?  anybody else remember?


If I recall correctly it is Rob that is there


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 02:43:29 PM
Quote from: "bamajo"
me to wench, me too!


refresh my memory - hey, don't we have a "monkey" that is in aruba this week?  wasn't someone going there for an annual vacation this week?  who is it?  anybody else remember?


Didn't RB say he was going there this week?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Editorial Note: With the increased traffic I would encourage you to stay on topic and possibly limit the conversation to breaking news as you get it from your "sources".
I am only here to help you to keep the information flowing.
Also limit your page refreshes to 1 per minute
This affects all threads and all parts of the site.

Not to be facetious, but would it also help if people stopped quoting quotes that were quoting quotes (i.e., quotes that are more than 2 deep)?
Just a suggestion?  :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 02:46:01 PM
i remember now.  yes it is rob from PA.  i bet he will have some insights on his return.

thanks fellow monkeys!!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 02:46:52 PM
Teo[/quote]
Top 95 went down for a bit, but seems to be back now, Teo.  I just reconnected myself...[/quote]
Me too.. Police has just arrived, they marked a place, the team is now in the water in the dam (squarry?) and they are under water searching.

Though police is there, no one official yet

Teo.
The reporter Randy Maduro said he will contact Top 95 if there is any new development.

www.arubadag.com[/quote]
This gives me the chills.[/quote]
Me too Wench.. Wonder if the parents are at the sight as well..  :cry:[/quote]

I was just wondering if Beth was there.  God my heart aches for her.[/quote]

Oh my goodness...I would hope someone would have the power to keep her away.....a body that has been in water for  this length of time will be awful...nothing loved ones should see.......I hate if this Natalee....and I hate if it's not


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: no x it on June 27, 2005, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "bamajo"
me to wench, me too!


refresh my memory - hey, don't we have a "monkey" that is in aruba this week?  wasn't someone going there for an annual vacation this week?  who is it?  anybody else remember?


If I recall correctly it is Rob that is there

When I was down there (late Jan, 2005) internet connections were pricey and very inconsistent, esp from the hotels.  Mine cut out after 2 days and I spent the rest of the week in computer withdrawal.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 02:50:24 PM
Is this place they are searching.. this quarry near the home. the same place others referred to as the smelly pond??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 02:50:34 PM
Quote
Not to be facetious, but would it also help if people stopped quoting quotes that were quoting quotes (i.e., quotes that are more than 2 deep)?
Just a suggestion?


Our biggest issue is number of connections when you see the CGI error. [/b]


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: golden on June 27, 2005, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Arubans have probably not rushed to LE with tips due to their "what do you want me to do about it?" attitude.


I think this is a very unfair statement....and unnecessary.....


I have been on this forum since the beginning of this tragedy. I have not had nor caused any drama and do not intend to start now.  However I am sure Steve and his family find it "unfair" that he has been forced to be away from them because her overheard a phone call and tried to assist the investigation by reporting it.  I don't think that encourages others to come forth.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: AZLady on June 27, 2005, 02:53:26 PM
I believe my short and cryptic statement was misunderstood.  I was in a conversation late last night here about Caribbean situation and culture.  In that conversation, I mentioned an attitude that appears to be prevalent in the Caribbean and is expressed as "what do you want me to do about it?"  This relates to their position in the middle of the drug producing countries of South America and the drug purchasing countries of North America.  The Caribbean islands are used as stepping stones for these transactions.  I believe a part of the Caribbean attitude is from this position, as well as other cultural factors.  I'm sorry I didn't explain that all at the time and that my comment came off as flippant.


Title: Let's get real about this. This is family. This is blood.
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 02:55:50 PM
My kid is missing all this time and the guy that wouldn't let his son tell me anything about her whereabouts is out on the street?

Guess what, {{edit}} I grab that dutchman and take him out to int'l waters. NOW that's pressure!!

What is mailing address of JVDS' cell? I start sending him {{edit}} until I get some TRUTH, and you better be quick before I get to some really important parts.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 03:04:18 PM
There is speculation on Riehl World that maybe the media is not talking about the search team activity in order to give the family some privacy in case something related to Natalee is found.

I cannot claim to hold such a complimentary view of the media.

Fox says the Aruba Red Cross is helping the Texas team.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 03:04:42 PM
hmmmmmmmm  so SC did lie then.. JUST to be a nice guy? Per Fox news.. thats why he was arrested.. he cooberated the story with the brothers... then they change their story and SC says he was JUST trying to be nice?  (no dont get all upset Sandrak..but it was on tv)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Fluffy Monkey on June 27, 2005, 03:05:16 PM
FOX news 3 pm update didn;t mention this-  only rehash of Croes and Red Cross helping volunteers.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 03:05:55 PM
Maybe there's too much internet traffic on aruban radio website link right now. Maybe those who don't understand papiamento should log off Top95 so people like Teo, etc. who do understand won't lose their connection. It's more important they hear so they can translate for us.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 03:08:16 PM
Quote from: "writenow"
Maybe there's too much internet traffic on aruban radio website link right now. Maybe those who don't understand papiamento should log off Top95 so people like Teo, etc. who do understand won't lose their connection. It's more important they hear so they can translate for us.


Ihad it on like for 2 seconds and logged off.. dont understand it.. Im sure there are other forums listening to it and probably Aruba folks as well!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I believe my short and cryptic statement was misunderstood.  I was in a conversation late last night here about Caribbean situation and culture.  In that conversation, I mentioned an attitude that appears to be prevalent in the Caribbean and is expressed as "what do you want me to do about it?"  This relates to their position in the middle of the drug producing countries of South America and the drug purchasing countries of North America.  The Caribbean islands are used as stepping stones for these transactions.  I believe a part of the Caribbean attitude is from this position, as well as other cultural factors.  I'm sorry I didn't explain that all at the time and that my comment came off as flippant.

I got ya', Lady!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: "writenow"
Maybe there's too much internet traffic on aruban radio website link right now. Maybe those who don't understand papiamento should log off Top95 so people like Teo, etc. who do understand won't lose their connection. It's more important they hear so they can translate for us.


I agree.....let's all cooperate.....and let our friends give us the news as quickly as they can get it..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
hmmmmmmmm  so SC did lie then.. JUST to be a nice guy? Per Fox news.. thats why he was arrested.. he cooberated the story with the brothers... then they change their story and SC says he was JUST trying to be nice?  (no dont get all upset Sandrak..but it was on tv)

I told a little monkey last week
"He was a very Nice Guy"   :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I believe my short and cryptic statement was misunderstood.  I was in a conversation late last night here about Caribbean situation and culture.  In that conversation, I mentioned an attitude that appears to be prevalent in the Caribbean and is expressed as "what do you want me to do about it?"  This relates to their position in the middle of the drug producing countries of South America and the drug purchasing countries of North America.  The Caribbean islands are used as stepping stones for these transactions.  I believe a part of the Caribbean attitude is from this position, as well as other cultural factors.  I'm sorry I didn't explain that all at the time and that my comment came off as flippant.


Thanks for the explanation....;-)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 03:17:42 PM
Steve did  Not lie..he just repeated What  Deepak Had Told Him.

Nice yes,But Dumber than "a Box   O Rocks".. 8)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:18:01 PM
OK...former detective on FOX said send him to Aruba (he is in DC) and he will get a confession! Hmmm ( I think he may be a bit overconfident)


Title: Evidence Flags
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 03:18:09 PM
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:19:26 PM
You know, these detectives from the US that they talk to all the time on the news really have no idea what is going on down there.  They talk on the air about what they would do to break this case and how they could get the confession and all of those things, when they no NOTHING more than we do!!!  They don't know what interrogation techniques Aruba LE are using.  It just infuriates me to listen to "know it alls" that really have no clue what is and isn't being done down there.  Sorry, had to rant.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Loren on June 27, 2005, 03:21:29 PM
Does anyone know anything more from the news about the Texas search team at the quarry? If they do find NH I am more than sure the three will start to confess. All those three were hoping for that there would be no body. For the parents of Natalee, I wish them peace of mind knowing their daughter is in a better place. Not knowing must be a living hell.   :cry:


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


What is the source of your update?

Does anyone else have sense of dread sitting in your tummy like a bowling ball? I feel a little sick.... :(


Title: KerinTx
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...former detective on FOX said send him to Aruba (he is in DC) and he will get a confession! Hmmm ( I think he may be a bit overconfident)


Let me guess, it was that black really irritating dude? right?!


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


I know evidence flags here in PA are used by police..detectives..coroners. to mark spots where evidence is and they are numbered also.. this is in PA.. I dont know if it is the same in Aruba.. I have been on sites to fatal car accidents.. and have seen evidence flgas posted where a person was ejected from the vehicle.. meatime seeing the poor souls body print in the ground if it were in dirt.
 I hope this helped some.. but thats what they are used for around my area.. Sort of like just a marker.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:22:49 PM
DF...I soooo agree. Do these guys have any idea of who trained Aruban LE in the first place? It was the Dutch and the Americans! So I trust that they are using the correct technique (just not sharing their case with the US media which I know INFURIATES them!)


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.



sorry if this has already been answered, but evidence flags are used when evidence is found, in most cases, by placing a flag at EACH individual piece of evidence..such as , jewelery, shoes, clothing, etc..there would be a flag at each piece....just an example..hope it helps! :D


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...former detective on FOX said send him to Aruba (he is in DC) and he will get a confession! Hmmm ( I think he may be a bit overconfident)


Let me guess, it was that black really irritating dude? right?!


Yes...that's the guy! (and we wonder why we are called Arrogant Americans??)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:24:41 PM
OK, I finally was able to get to SM homepage, I answered my own  :?:

Sorry. I'm blonde, plz forgive  :wink:


Title: Re: Let's get real about this. This is family. This is blood
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
My kid is missing all this time and the guy that wouldn't let his son tell me anything about her whereabouts is out on the street?

Guess what, I DON"T GIVE A damn ABOUT YOUR SHITTY LAWS< I grab that dutchman and take him out to int'l waters. NOW that's pressure!!

What is mailing address of JVDS' cell? I start sending him daddy's ear sandwiches until I get some TRUTH, and you better be quick before I get to some really important parts.


best post here ive ever read


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: casualguy on June 27, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve did  Not lie..he just repeated What  Deepak Had Told Him.

Nice yes,But Dumber than "a Box   O Rocks".. 8)


Sandra:

Whats your IQ? and definition of dumb?..... Why must all these insults persist?

BTW, my IQ is 168.

CG


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...former detective on FOX said send him to Aruba (he is in DC) and he will get a confession! Hmmm ( I think he may be a bit overconfident)


Let me guess, it was that black really irritating dude? right?!


That's him!!!  lol.  And apparently he irritated Kerin and I both just now!!  lol.   :lol:


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: boxopen on June 27, 2005, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I know evidence flags here in PA are used by police..detectives..coroners. to mark spots where evidence is and they are numbered also... but thats what they are used for around my area... Sort of like just a marker.
Yup... in this kind of search the flags are used to define a grid and to be more easy to do a systematic search.  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: waitingtoknow on June 27, 2005, 03:27:49 PM
evidence flags up around the area....  if there was that much evidence around the area, I am sure it would already have been found...could this instead be some type of barrier to keep others not involved with the investigation out?


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


What is the source of your update?

Does anyone else have sense of dread sitting in your tummy like a bowling ball? I feel a little sick.... :(


It does mine...and I have had that feeling ever since the stament was made by TXES that they thought they would find Natalee today.... :cry:


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:28:01 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "bogey_blusey_chaston"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
OK...former detective on FOX said send him to Aruba (he is in DC) and he will get a confession! Hmmm ( I think he may be a bit overconfident)


Let me guess, it was that black really irritating dude? right?!


That's him!!!  lol.  And apparently he irritated Kerin and I both just now!!  lol.   :lol:


I think that would be Ted "Axe" Williams: he'll get to the meat n' potaduhs of this.  LOLOLOL :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:28:27 PM
Quote from: "casualguy"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve did  Not lie..he just repeated What  Deepak Had Told Him.

Nice yes,But Dumber than "a Box   O Rocks".. 8)


Sandra:

Whats your IQ? and definition of dumb?..... Why must all these insults persist?

BTW, my IQ is 168.

CG


Casualguy, I truly don't believe that the comment she made was aimed at you.  If I'm wrong here, Sandra can say so.  But I'm not understanding why you took such offense at what she said.  I took it to mean that SC is a very nice guy, but what he did (lie for Deepak) was not exactly the smartest thing he ever did.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 03:28:33 PM
PVDS said 'I just want to go home to my wife' (or something similar)  - probably - to put my arms around her and tell her we will get through this.
Whatever each of us feels by way of sympathy for the Twitty Holloways we cannot ignore the pain and suffering of this family - as Bendex or someone said - they like the Holloways had great hopes for their child - their child showed great promise - if he in fact caused Natalee to lose her life - I suspect it was an accident - even if he has anger management problems - that is not cause to villify him - it is cause for understanding - this in no is an excuse to lessen his penalty - it is a call for understanding and tolerance. My heart goes out to both families.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:28:38 PM
How I wish PM's were not disabled so I could send one to CasualGuy!! :D  :D


Title: Thanks Taz!
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 03:28:41 PM
You sound like a father, gotta have a heart like a lion.

Beth and Jug, we are pulling for you and your little girl.

In my neighborhood a bad spoiled kid stole another kids bike, refused to cop.

Victim kids Dad picked up the other families' golden retreiver and called them on their cell.

Bike came back with new tires.


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 03:28:43 PM
Let me guess, it was that black really irritating dude? right?![/quote]

Yes...that's the guy! (and we wonder why we are called Arrogant Americans??)[/quote]

That man is a disgrace to Americans, and to the journalism profession.  I am totally surprised he was ever a detective.  He sounds as if he couldnt find his way from his elbow to his thumb, much less solve a case. He interrupts everyone on air, and makes abosolutely hideous statements.  If it wasnt for Greta and the team doing live reporting from ARuba I would never watch fox anyways.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sb on June 27, 2005, 03:29:28 PM
This could be markings of a perimeter to keep the public & media away.

If this is the resolution of this sad situation, the family can at least have knowledge and closure. It will also mean that Natalee did not have prolonged suffering, as slight a comfort as that may be. I have dreaded to find out details that would point to her being mistreated somewhere.

My heart and prayers go out to her family and all her friends right now.


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
I think that would be Ted "Axe" Williams: he'll get to the meat n' potaduhs of this.  LOLOLOL :lol:

My husband & I call him "Marble-Mouth".  :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
How I wish PM's were not disabled so I could send one to CasualGuy!! :D  :D


lol.  Who needs PM's?   :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 03:32:54 PM
I just wanted to interject and say that if there is a body found, which i am afraid there may be,  :cry: I know that evidence will be hard to gather as will COD..But, if anyone has any questions, or wants to know about the death process, the process of decay, different ways to determine COD after this amount of time, PM me and I will be glad to help and answer what I can..I am no Michael Baden, or cyril Wecht, but have alot of forensic training on post mortem, and might can answer a few questions..If PM's are down, SN is the same on aol...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: "casualguy"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve did  Not lie..he just repeated What  Deepak Had Told Him.

Nice yes,But Dumber than "a Box   O Rocks".. 8)


Sandra:

Whats your IQ? and definition of dumb?..... Why must all these insults persist?

BTW, my IQ is 168.

CG

Hey I'm Steve's Biggest FAN!..LOL :D


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: casualguy on June 27, 2005, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "casualguy"
Quote from: "sandraK"
Steve did  Not lie..he just repeated What  Deepak Had Told Him.

Nice yes,But Dumber than "a Box   O Rocks".. 8)


Sandra:

Whats your IQ? and definition of dumb?..... Why must all these insults persist?

BTW, my IQ is 168.

CG


Casualguy, I truly don't believe that the comment she made was aimed at you.  If I'm wrong here, Sandra can say so.  But I'm not understanding why you took such offense at what she said.  I took it to mean that SC is a very nice guy, but what he did (lie for Deepak) was not exactly the smartest thing he ever did.


To All:

I think my point was missed, I apologize and will not make any furture comments what so ever.


With All Due Respect,

CG


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


What is the source of your update?

Does anyone else have sense of dread sitting in your tummy like a bowling ball? I feel a little sick.... :(


It does mine...and I have had that feeling ever since the stament was made by TXES that they thought they would find Natalee today.... :cry:


I know, it will be good for the family to have closure, BUT this is NOT how I wanted it to end:cry:  I know it's bad, but I was hoping she had been kidnapped and that is why BHT was so confident, and she knew stuff we didn't. But My God, this is tearing MY heart out , I can't begin to imagine what her Mother & Father feel right now. I think it will be harder on Beth, she was giving interviews last wk saying she was alive, Dave seemed a bit more resigned to the fact that she was probably gone. Poor woman, I guess that is all that kept her going. God love her.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:34:06 PM
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Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


What is the source of your update?

Does anyone else have sense of dread sitting in your tummy like a bowling ball? I feel a little sick.... :(


I also feel the same way--this feeling is horrible and the anticipation of waiting--is it or isn't it-or is it somthing relating to her etc--driving me nuts!

I keep thinking of her friends and family and them waiting to hear!  Thoughts and Prayers!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Loren on June 27, 2005, 03:34:30 PM
Sandy-

I agree with you only if it is found that PVDS or anyone else in the family had no knowledge of where or what befell upon Natalee. If anyone did in that house and then refused to disclose it, then they are pond scum. There is no excuse for the pain inflicted on Natalee's parents just to save a very bad seed or for the sake of arguement, a son who accidentally killed her.


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
I think that would be Ted "Axe" Williams: he'll get to the meat n' potaduhs of this.  LOLOLOL :lol:

My husband & I call him "Marble-Mouth".  :lol:


Yes that is quite funny, I sometimes refer to him as marshmallow mouth.  I am always ready for him to spit right into the camera.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: "sandy"
PVDS said 'I just want to go home to my wife' (or something similar)  - probably - to put my arms around her and tell her we will get through this.
Whatever each of us feels by way of sympathy for the Twitty Holloways we cannot ignore the pain and suffering of this family - as Bendex or someone said - they like the Holloways had great hopes for their child - their child showed great promise - if he in fact caused Natalee to lose her life - I suspect it was an accident - even if he has anger management problems - that is not cause to villify him - it is cause for understanding - this in no is an excuse to lessen his penalty - it is a call for understanding and tolerance. My heart goes out to both families.


I agree with you completely.....so much hurt, so many lives forever changed.....and will the truth ever be known?   :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 03:35:37 PM
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:35:49 PM
I swear I am laughing so hard at all your comments about Ted "Axe" Williams. I am noticing the name he has...and remembering the whole "frozen head" thing and..well...nevermind...LOL


Title: Re: Thanks Taz!
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
You sound like a father, gotta have a heart like a lion.

Beth and Jug, we are pulling for you and your little girl.

In my neighborhood a bad spoiled kid stole another kids bike, refused to cop.

Victim kids Dad picked up the other families' golden retreiver and called them on their cell.

Bike came back with new tires.



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
I swear I am laughing so hard at all your comments about Ted "Axe" Williams. I am noticing the name he has...and remembering the whole "frozen head" thing and..well...nevermind...LOL


the name "marble mouth" is right on the $$$!!!  hee, hee!

he is extremely irritating to me as well.


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.

This was from the home page.  I am not familiar with this type of search.  Can someone explain to me what evidence flags mean?  Does that mean evidence found in different places in the water, on ground, etc.


What is the source of your update?

Does anyone else have sense of dread sitting in your tummy like a bowling ball? I feel a little sick.... :(


It does mine...and I have had that feeling ever since the stament was made by TXES that they thought they would find Natalee today.... :cry:


I know, it will be good for the family to have closure, BUT this is NOT how I wanted it to end:cry:  I know it's bad, but I was hoping she had been kidnapped and that is why BHT was so confident, and she knew stuff we didn't. But My God, this is tearing MY heart out , I can't begin to imagine what her Mother & Father feel right now. I think it will be harder on Beth, she was giving interviews last wk saying she was alive, Dave seemed a bit more resigned to the fact that she was probably gone. Poor woman, I guess that is all that kept her going. God love her.


I feel the same way, Diva...<sigh> this is sickening


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2005, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: "Loren"
Sandy-

I agree with you only if it is found that PVDS or anyone else in the family had no knowledge of where or what befell upon Natalee. If anyone did in that house and then refused to disclose it, then they are pond scum. There is no excuse for the pain inflicted on Natalee's parents just to save a very bad seed or for the sake of arguement, a son who accidentally killed her.


I too would have difficulty accepting culpability on the part of Joran's family - but again, I would have to understand the motivation - it is incredible to me that they would be directly involved especially given his legal trainig - he had to know being truthful from the first could only help mitigate the penalty


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 03:40:18 PM
Editorial Note:

With the increased traffic, 350-400 of your fellow internet cousins, I would encourage you to stay on topic and possibly limit the conversation to breaking news as you get it from your "sources".

I am only here to help you to keep the information flowing.

Also limit your page refreshes to 1 per minute

This affects all threads and all parts of the site.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


Amen!!!  With a PVDS business card in the pocket!


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: cancon on June 27, 2005, 03:41:18 PM
Quote
sorry if this has already been answered, but evidence flags are used when evidence is found, in most cases, by placing a flag at EACH individual piece of evidence..such as , jewelery, shoes, clothing, etc..there would be a flag at each piece....just an example..hope it helps! :D


not only that they take photos of the crime scene from various angles and the flags are numbered, so they can see where all the evidence was found to try and piece together a theory,

and they would also flag footprints, a cigarette butt, hair, fibers, people can inadvertently leave so many clues behind


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 03:41:22 PM
Does anyone know how close this quarry is in relation to Joran's house?


Title: Re: Evidence Flags
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: "cancon"
Quote
sorry if this has already been answered, but evidence flags are used when evidence is found, in most cases, by placing a flag at EACH individual piece of evidence..such as , jewelery, shoes, clothing, etc..there would be a flag at each piece....just an example..hope it helps! :D


not only that they take photos of the crime scene from various angles and the flags are numbered, so they can see where all the evidence was found to try and piece together a theory,

and they would also flag footprints, a cigarette butt, hair, fibers, people can inadvertently leave so many clues behind



Exactly!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Loren on June 27, 2005, 03:42:44 PM
Sandy-
How true that PVDS should have know lying would be worse in the long run for his son. But perhaps he thought they would get away with it? He probably did not think for a moment that the media would rain down on Aruba like white on rice. The scrutiny that came upon them shocked them all. The truth will come out as to who did what and when. At least I think so! :?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: trikand_123 on June 27, 2005, 03:43:02 PM
just FYI

http://dogs.about.com/cs/searchandrescue/a/cadaver_dogs.htm


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:43:03 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Does anyone know how close this quarry is in relation to Joran's house?


Yes, and is that one of the locations Arubagirl took a photo of?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: "Loren"
Sandy-
How true that PVDS should have know lying would be worse in the long run for his son. But perhaps he thought they would get away with it? He probably did not think for a moment that the media would rain down on Aruba like white on rice. The scrutiny that came upon them shocked them all. The truth will come out as to who did what and when. At least I think so! :?



It will be easier to find the body than we think if the killers did not realize such a intense search would occur to find her.  Hopefully they operated on the premise that Aruban autorities wouldnt look hard.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


Title: Re: KerinTx
Post by: bogey_blusey_chaston on June 27, 2005, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
I think that would be Ted "Axe" Williams: he'll get to the meat n' potaduhs of this.  LOLOLOL :lol:

My husband & I call him "Marble-Mouth".  :lol:


Yes that is quite funny, I sometimes refer to him as marshmallow mouth.  I am always ready for him to spit right into the camera.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 27, 2005, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Does anyone know how close this quarry is in relation to Joran's house?


Yes, and is that one of the locations Arubagirl took a photo of?


Damn.. I cant remember.. I looked at those pics this morning too.. I recall different shots of the lighthouse.. motels..swamps.. mc Donalds.. phoonebooths.. But I dont remember if the quarry was pictured or not..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 03:47:27 PM
Just interview with Imelda Juliana? mother of Steve Croes on Top 95

Teo
www.arubadag.com


Title: Re: Thanks Taz!
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
In my neighborhood a bad spoiled kid stole another kids bike, refused to cop. Victim kids Dad picked up the other families' golden retreiver and called them on their cell. Bike came back with new tires.


LOL!  :lol:  :lol: Now THAT'S funny.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 03:49:57 PM
Is this quarry the same one that had dumped cars in it? Or another one

On H&C they interviewed a guy who said it was close to VDS home had not been searched....
If that is where they find her... (the place where all the trucks and vans and trash was dumped) its gonna make it all the more worse. This is so bad  :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KackyLacky on June 27, 2005, 03:50:05 PM
Guest
 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject:    
 
Could "look up, look up" mean Natalee is "face up"? I see sun or light on her, and her thinking she feels warmth from the light. When she feels the light. The person who placed Natalee, thought she was dead, but was mistaken.
SNIPPED
What happened to Natalee was not sudden, however, she was not shocked because she was unable to rationalize what was actually happening. I see something happening to her neck, perhaps a forearm to her neck. I think the male who hurt her, did not realize he was injuring Natalee, until it was to late. I can't see his face.
SNIPPED

 and
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject:    
I think she may be in the dump under something in a wet area or water. Just a guess it may mean nothing. I see something pink or pale red



well several interesting things on this forum:  Not that I believe in this stuff, but you never know! BTW--our arubagirl posted her wonderful pics there and another poster from Aruba named Red has lots of information about places and people there. This is one reason I have asked arubagirl about the dump in Noord so many times---from reading this site.
Take it or leave it----slam away if you choose,I just think God gets the truth out  in many ways. :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Just interview with Imelda Juliana? mother of Steve Croes on Top 95

Teo
www.arubadag.com


My heart goes out to that woman and I hope the stress of this does not worsen her health issues.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2005, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


Diva,

I think what arrabba was trying to say is that, if they do find her, that even if Joran does not confess, that there is still evidence that ties him to the crime.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: "Teo"
Just interview with Imelda Juliana? mother of Steve Croes on Top 95

Teo
www.arubadag.com


Would you please give us a summary of the interview?  Also we have 2 stories about why SC was arrested.....#1 he alibied the 3......and now #2 his mother says he overheard a conversation between Deepak and ???

Once again...nothing matches.....oh my!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LostinTime on June 27, 2005, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "KerinTX"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Does anyone know how close this quarry is in relation to Joran's house?


Yes, and is that one of the locations Arubagirl took a photo of?


Damn.. I cant remember.. I looked at those pics this morning too.. I recall different shots of the lighthouse.. motels..swamps.. mc Donalds.. phoonebooths.. But I dont remember if the quarry was pictured or not..


Just looked again and didn't see anything..I remember she wasn't wanting to take pics of houses I would think the LE has some of those places blocked


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: visionary on June 27, 2005, 03:56:02 PM
To All:

I think my point was missed, I apologize and will not make any furture comments what so ever.


With All Due Respect,

CG[/quote]



LOL at "what so ever".  Guess that 168 IQ doesn't factor in the forgotten grammar lessons....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I don't believe that the comment was in the least bit meant to be offensive.  Just pointing out that IF a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to Joran.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: "KackyLacky"
Guest
 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject:    
 
Could "look up, look up" mean Natalee is "face up"?


What forum is this on?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 03:56:51 PM
KACKY, what site was that premonition from?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 03:59:46 PM
hey guys..direct link to arubagirls pics?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:01:08 PM
Just looked again and didn't see anything..I remember she wasn't wanting to take pics of houses I would think the LE has some of those places blocked[/quote]


Where are the photos posted?  thanks


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I didn't take this to be meant in bad taste.  I took it to mean that if a body was found, she hoped that it would be clear who did it and this could be put to rest for all involved.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 04:08:13 PM
Why would someplace in such close proximity to the Van Der Sloot home have not been searched earlier???It's easiest to hide something in plain site.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: heavyheart on June 27, 2005, 04:08:48 PM
Anyone else feeling sick with worry right now? :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Twelve Monkeys on June 27, 2005, 04:09:15 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I don't believe that the comment was in the least bit meant to be offensive.  Just pointing out that IF a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to Joran.



If a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to THE KILLER(s)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I don't believe that the comment was in the least bit meant to be offensive.  Just pointing out that IF a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to Joran.


OK, I'm sorry. I'm a bit sensitive today :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LostinTime on June 27, 2005, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Just looked again and didn't see anything..I remember she wasn't wanting to take pics of houses I would think the LE has some of those places blocked



Where are the photos posted?  thanks[/quote]

I had them bookmarked, arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/index html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DallasGirl on June 27, 2005, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
Why would someplace in such close proximity to the Van Der Sloot home have not been searched earlier???It's easiest to hide something in plain site.


I just read a post on the Riehl site and someone said it was 4 miles.  No source was quoted.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Bamagal73 on June 27, 2005, 04:11:52 PM
Good question as to why they didn't search that place before.  I remember when Nat's father was on H and C, he mentioned that the place smelled really bad.  It looked to me that it would ahve been difficult to get to though, maybe that's one reason that it wasnt' searched.


Yes, I do have a very sick feeling right now.  Everyone was hoping that Nat would be found alive, but this new developement, gives a very eerie feeling.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 04:12:16 PM
Just wondering..do cadaver dogs only pick up human smells..or animals too?? Anyone know??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inspector_detector on June 27, 2005, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I didn't take this to be meant in bad taste.  I took it to mean that if a body was found, she hoped that it would be clear who did it and this could be put to rest for all involved.


I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Anyone else feeling sick with worry right now? :cry:


I can't begin to explain how I feel because I am so conflicted.  I am sickened that a mother may find out soon that her daughter is dead.  I am also, however, so very very hopeful that today will be the day that we all finally know where she is.  I am filled with sadness and with hope at the same time.  I am dreading the moment when Natalee is found, but I am also so anxious for it to happen.  It's a hard day, but I hope for everyone involved that it is the last day.  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Anyone else feeling sick with worry right now? :cry:


I agree heavy heart, with all that is happening, it seems that we should be getting closer to the end of this.  But even if they find something today, do you think we will be informed?  My guess is, if they find a body, they will want to get identification and begin testing before meeting with the media.  Unless of course they annouce "a yet to be identified body has been found."

My heart hurts to think of everyone that has been affected by this.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DivaToo on June 27, 2005, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: "Twelve Monkeys"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I don't believe that the comment was in the least bit meant to be offensive.  Just pointing out that IF a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to Joran.



If a body is found we all hope that there is some evidence to link it to THE KILLER(s)


I TRULY am sorry, that is why I asked how it was meant. I have my a$$ on my shoulders today. Plz forgive


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 04:15:59 PM
the link i had wasnt the right one..sent me to her website and i couldnt find the pics..where are the ones she sent last night?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
Just wondering..do cadaver dogs only pick up human smells..or animals too?? Anyone know??


They are trained to only pick up human.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 04:16:20 PM
it's been said that these particular cadaver dogs that the texas people are using do not mistake dead animals for dead humans.  they are highly trained cadaver dogs that are trained to sniff out rotting and/or decaying human flesh.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Anyone else feeling sick with worry right now? :cry:


I can't begin to explain how I feel because I am so conflicted.  I am sickened that a mother may find out soon that her daughter is dead.  I am also, however, so very very hopeful that today will be the day that we all finally know where she is.  I am filled with sadness and with hope at the same time.  I am dreading the moment when Natalee is found, but I am also so anxious for it to happen.  It's a hard day, but I hope for everyone involved that it is the last day.  :cry:


I know DF...especially since it has been one month today.  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Bamagal73 on June 27, 2005, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
Just wondering..do cadaver dogs only pick up human smells..or animals too?? Anyone know??


From Reihlworld:
I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 04:19:07 PM
This is a post on Dan's website (not an article from Dan, just a post):

 think it's not as easy to dump a body in a quarry in Aruba as you may think. Most people
in Aruba are afraid of them because in the past
a lot of people/children drowned in them.
There are 2 quarry's currently in question.
The one being searched is at Moko and I have some shots of the search. It is much bigger than the one that was showed on Hanity & Colmes show.
There are also a lot of houses around it but at night you could throw something in it and not be seen.

rgds,
Ho

Posted by: Ho | June 27, 2005 03:25 PM


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LostinTime on June 27, 2005, 04:19:13 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
the link i had wasnt the right one..sent me to her website and i couldnt find the pics..where are the ones she sent last night?


nikki...try arubagirl.typepad.com/nh/index.html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"

I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(


That is not at all how I meant it. I hope Natalee is found alive, unfortunately it doesn't look like that will be the outcome here.  And, I don't want anyone to "hang" as you put it, for a crime they did not commit.  But, If a crime has been committed, I want justice to be served.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: boxopen on June 27, 2005, 04:20:36 PM
AG pics: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 04:20:55 PM
Inspector  I can assure you that no one here hopes to find Natalee dead.  If they discovered that she ran away on her own free will and is sitting on some beach sipping margaritas, I would be the happiest person in the world.  I have not been one to call Joran names or bash him.  I do have a feeling that he is involved and that he did hurt Natalee.  Innocent until proven guilty is a wonderful concept, but where humans are involved there are emotions and it is very natural to have a feeling one way or the other and sometimes it is hard to be objective.  If Joran were tried in the US and I got a jury summons, I would have to tell them I could not serve because I was already leaning toward him being guilty so that he may be judged by those out there unemotional enough to be impartial.  But please do not assume that I want her dead so he will pay because that could not be further from the truth.  I am a mother, I am emotional, I do have a gut feeling about this case and I can't help that.  I applaud you for not letting emotions sway your opinion, but do not bash me because I do.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Herkimer on June 27, 2005, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
AG pics: http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/nh/


Pics from today's search

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hyrooduber/detail?.dir=/.ba99&.dnm=d306.jpg&.tok=phOSs0CBPQfD04au&.src=mail


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: tarmand on June 27, 2005, 04:24:46 PM
(http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/ac9a.jpg)

Photo from Reihl World site.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2005, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


I didn't take this to be meant in bad taste.  I took it to mean that if a body was found, she hoped that it would be clear who did it and this could be put to rest for all involved.


I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(


Your sick!  Edited for content-ABSOLUT


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:26:11 PM
Actually Inspector....I would prefer that Natalee be found ALIVE and hey, I might even go for Joran and his "butt kicking" comment if the circumstances were right. But sadly as each day goes by, that does not seem to be the case. So "if" she is found dead, then what I HOPE for is that there is enough evidence to convict WHOEVER murdered her....and yes, that would include Joran. Or are we to believe ,if she is found dumped like trash in this hole, (ala Mark Hacking) that she threw HERSELF in??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(
Your sick! Edited for content-ABSOLUT

SCOTT, I have a sneaking suspicion that you just took the words right outta many monkeys' "mouths" (keyboards)...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Loren on June 27, 2005, 04:31:49 PM
Yes, Scott that was very well put.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LemonDrop on June 27, 2005, 04:33:29 PM
I would prefer it turn out that Natalie's alive and released unharmed, who was kidnapped by someone we had never heard of.

I don't know Joran. I bear him no ill will but if he killed Natalee, I want his butt hanging in a tree.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 04:34:15 PM
thanks guys..and it must not be my day..i cant open the link to the site from the search...grrrr.....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 04:37:07 PM
While lively debate is appreciated, moderators and forum admins reserve the right to admonish and/or eject, without notice, those parties who debate using insults, engage in name-calling, or otherwise imflammatory posts. Act like you're at a public place using the manners your mother taught you and you'll be just fine. If you don't have manners, don't bother posting as it just wastes our time mashing the "banned" button. We've got other things to do.

Scott your post has been edited for content.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 04:37:31 PM
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mehill10 on June 27, 2005, 04:39:32 PM
any one from aruba   in here please update us


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Shataken on June 27, 2005, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


Remember, he had no idea how much attention this story would get.  Probably thought it would be chalked up as a runaway or drowning and forgotten. And he didn't have alot of time to think of where to put it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LemonDrop on June 27, 2005, 04:43:39 PM
*having visions of them finding multiple bodies in the pond*   :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


I've heard that this quarry is 4 miles from the VDS home. Is that close?

Also, I'm really thinking they might have something here at this quarry. These cadaver(s?) dogs apparently won't show a HIT unless it is in fact human remains. Gases emitting from the remains of a human will come to the surface and this is what they pick up on.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(


No, inspector, I don't think that's what was meant at all. I think everyone's been hoping and praying she will be found alive. But if not, they want the killer(s) to be caught so they can't do this to someone else. They just don't believe Joran is the innocent little thing you do.

A lie reveals a lot of truth about the liar.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
(http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/ac9a.jpg)

Photo from Reihl World site.


so this is the area they are searching in now?  this is the area that is about 4 miles from the VDS home?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: "DivaToo"
Quote from: "arrabba"
If they find Natalee in that quarry, I hope they find her wrapped in a blue plaid shirt.


I'm not sure how you meant that, but it was in very bad taste,  imo the way I took it anyway.

I know all about the ever present blue plaid shirt but that was not funny :|


Diva Too - I reread my post and could see the ambiguity in it, I extend an apology for that.  Let me rephrase:
I hope Natalee is alive, however, if she is not, and her remains are in the quarry, I hope there is evidence that points to her assailant(s).  I did not want to name who I thought was the assailant, so I tried to do it obliquely.  Please let me add that if Natalee's life came to a tragic end, I hope her death was void of suffering.  

Many thanks to the monkeys who understood the message I was trying to convey in my original post and posted their thoughts regarding it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Michael22 on June 27, 2005, 04:47:45 PM
Quote from: "Shataken"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


Remember, he had no idea how much attention this story would get.  Probably thought it would be chalked up as a runaway or drowning and forgotten. And he didn't have alot of time to think of where to put it.


I myself doubt she's in the quarry or whatever that thing is
if you wan't to hide someone you wouldn't put them in your backyard
plus after a while when a body
sorry
this is gorry
but when a body is in the water a while
it bloats and either washes ashore
or floats to the top
so even if its 'waited' down
it would have to be some pretty heavy wieghts
plus that quarry doesn't look that deep


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 04:49:56 PM
I am just sick right now guys..God i hate this..I really hope that the Holloway/Twitty's keep their distance from that area right now...
I was thinking about  the psychic premonition posted earlier...if she did have an "arm around her neck" as stated, one good thing is, no matter how far along decompostion is, there may be a way of determining cause of death by strangulation by wheher or not the hyoid bone is intact....At least that would give some sort of explanation of how she died..the thought of never really knowing makes me shudder..
And i keep getting this downlaod security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: UGAmom on June 27, 2005, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


I've heard that this quarry is 4 miles from the VDS home. Is that close?



Also, I'm really thinking they might have something here at this quarry. These cadaver(s?) dogs apparently won't show a HIT unless it is in fact human remains. Gases emitting from the remains of a human will come to the surface and this is what they pick up on.




Not on foot, but by car, I'd say yes.


Title: Location of Quarry
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 04:54:42 PM
I am confused here...Can someone please help me out.

Many posters have stated that the Quarry was very close to the VDS home, but many have also stated that it is 4 miles from his house.  

Which is correct?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:55:21 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I am just sick right now guys..God i hate this..I really hope that the Holloway/Twitty's keep their distance from that area right now...  I have that same feeling...and that same hope
And i keep getting this downlaod security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?[/quote

I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: "UGAmom"
[Also, I'm really thinking they might have something here at this quarry. These cadaver(s?) dogs apparently won't show a HIT unless it is in fact human remains. Gases emitting from the remains of a human will come to the surface and this is what they pick up on.

If it is a body, it may not be Natalee.  Wasn't there someone reported missing last week, where they found his truck, but couldn't find him?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
While lively debate is appreciated, moderators and forum admins reserve the right to admonish and/or eject, without notice, those parties who debate using insults, engage in name-calling, or otherwise imflammatory posts. Act like you're at a public place using the manners your mother taught you and you'll be just fine. If you don't have manners, don't bother posting as it just wastes our time mashing the "banned" button. We've got other things to do.

Scott your post has been edited for content.


Speaking of inflammatory, just how much more over the top does Inspector's post have to be for his message to be edited for content?


Title: Re: Location of Quarry
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 04:57:32 PM
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
I am confused here...Can someone please help me out.

Many posters have stated that the Quarry was very close to the VDS home, but many have also stated that it is 4 miles from his house.  

Which is correct?


We dont have a definitive answer on the distance at this time.  Its hard to get a good visual on the logistics, I dont even know where Jorans house is located. It would be nice to see a plot of all these areas in relation to each other.  4 miles to me is pretty close.


Title: Any more news from Aruba??
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:57:58 PM
Is there any more news from Aruba?  I just saw an update on Fox and they showed a ground search around the Mariott beach,


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Armchair_Detective on June 27, 2005, 04:58:07 PM
Quote from: "tarmand"
(http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/ac9a.jpg)

Photo from Reihl World site.


Thank you for posting the pic.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
[I think it means you all hope to find Natalee dead, just so you can hang Joran. You people should be ashamed of yourselves... :(

Your sick!  Edited for content-ABSOLUT

Shouldn't "your" be changed to "you're /you are" in this case to be grammatically correct?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Red on June 27, 2005, 04:58:55 PM
MONKEY MEDIA ALERT
Tom is on at 5 or 5:05pm today with The Andy Thomas Show

(sorry for the short notice)

http://americasradioshow.com/page1.html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: "UGAmom"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
I wonder how many will still doubt Joran killed her if she is found in a quarry close to his house and he was the last person to see her alive and lied about it.
 

I truly wonder how many need more conclusive evidence than that.


I dont know if shes there, in a way I hope she is so the family wont have to suffer any longer, and I hope they were stupid enough to put her so close to their home but his lack of confession leads me to believe this quarry might be a false alarm.


I've heard that this quarry is 4 miles from the VDS home. Is that close?



Also, I'm really thinking they might have something here at this quarry. These cadaver(s?) dogs apparently won't show a HIT unless it is in fact human remains. Gases emitting from the remains of a human will come to the surface and this is what they pick up on.




Not on foot, but by car, I'd say yes.


Considering the size of this island tho...I mean it is only something like 20 miles long by 8 miles wide?
This doesn't seem very close even by car. I guess any spot on this island would be considered close to the VDS home then. :?:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 04:59:07 PM
Quote
I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to....


Check this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=373


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
Quote from: "UGAmom"
[Also, I'm really thinking they might have something here at this quarry. These cadaver(s?) dogs apparently won't show a HIT unless it is in fact human remains. Gases emitting from the remains of a human will come to the surface and this is what they pick up on.

If it is a body, it may not be Natalee.  Wasn't there someone reported missing last week, where they found his truck, but couldn't find him?



I hope they dont find another body then leave the quarry and shes still there.  I hope the dogs dont get confused if there is more than one body including hers in that quarry.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: "puggywug"
If it is a body, it may not be Natalee.  Wasn't there someone reported missing last week, where they found his truck, but couldn't find him?


I forgot all about that.  Does anyone know if that person had been found or if there was more information on that?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: KerinTX on June 27, 2005, 04:59:37 PM
^ 5, Bob


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Catriana on June 27, 2005, 04:59:47 PM
Quote
And i keep getting this download security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?


I would say it is due to server overload.  I get the same thing when this place is very busy!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: scared-tom on June 27, 2005, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I am just sick right now guys..God i hate this..I really hope that the Holloway/Twitty's keep their distance from that area right now...  I have that same feeling...and that same hope
And i keep getting this downlaod security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?[/quote

I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to....


The system is stressed to the breaking point. You are getting the security warning because the file is trying to download instead of opening on the page.

Sorry for the headaches , we are working around the clock trying to get it fixed.

Tom


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 05:01:29 PM
There are 3 rock quarries ( you mean where they break stone? or where there is quartz)

1) Canashito (near airport)

2) Cashunti (Guadirikiri Caves)

3) Budui (Next to goldmine ruins / boca mahos

None of them are close to Montanja


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sandraK on June 27, 2005, 05:03:09 PM
Well Deepak's  car Didn't go there.
 To rough to drive that Honda.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I am just sick right now guys..God i hate this..I really hope that the Holloway/Twitty's keep their distance from that area right now...And i keep getting this downlaod security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?

I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to...

I am certainly no computer whiz, but I think when you see a blank white screen with this at the top:
CGI-limits reached, please try again later!it means that many, many people are on this forum and there is heavy "traffic".  From what I understand from our wonderful Admin  :D , it helps if you keep your posts to a minimum and only refresh every few minutes.


Title: Re: Location of Quarry
Post by: Ella's Mom on June 27, 2005, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "Ella's Mom"
I am confused here...Can someone please help me out.

Many posters have stated that the Quarry was very close to the VDS home, but many have also stated that it is 4 miles from his house.  

Which is correct?


We dont have a definitive answer on the distance at this time.  Its hard to get a good visual on the logistics, I dont even know where Jorans house is located. It would be nice to see a plot of all these areas in relation to each other.  4 miles to me is pretty close.


I think it's considered close for us in relation to where we live, but isn't this island like 5 miles wide and 19 miles long? (I am sorry I don't recall the exact numbers, but I have been there and the whole island is small so everything is close).


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
There are 3 rock quarries ( you mean where they break stone? or where there is quartz)

1) Canashito (near airport)

2) Cashunti (Guadirikiri Caves)

3) Budui (Next to goldmine ruins / boca mahos

None of them are close to Montanja


aruba girl do you know where they are looking and how close it is to jorans house?  

Where is the location of jorans house?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 05:05:06 PM
Quote
Shouldn't "your" be changed to "you're /you are" in this case to be grammatically correct?


Yes it should have been but since it took about 3 minutes to make the changes with the CGI errors on loading the page. I left my mistake. I am very sorry that has offended some posters, the alternative was to delete them and ban several posters and basically bring the board to a halt. I thought this was the better solution.

As for inspectors comment it was in response to a pretty tasteless comment in the first place. So we were willing to let them go. If it is an issue I can delete them all and ban the associated posters.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to....


Check this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=373


Thanks, since I am a techidiot I will have my husband check this out....he specifically told me not to DO A THING!!!  :oops: ..what I get is asking me about a file download???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
There are 3 rock quarries ( you mean where they break stone? or where there is quartz)

1) Canashito (near airport)

2) Cashunti (Guadirikiri Caves)

3) Budui (Next to goldmine ruins / boca mahos

None of them are close to Montanja


Hi arubagirl!  A poster on Tom's site has posted this:
Posted by: gemebwai <mailto:gemebwai@hotmail.com> | June 27, 2005 03:10 PM
The quarry they are diving in now is in Moko, about 4 miles from Montaña. Its deep, dirty and has way to much water to pump out.
The VDS home has never been boarded up in spite of some reports on this blog.
The pres interferring is DUTCH, not ARUBAN! as far as radio reports go.

So which quarry is in Moko, and do you agree that the Moko quarry is the one being searched?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 05:05:54 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I am just sick right now guys..God i hate this..I really hope that the Holloway/Twitty's keep their distance from that area right now...  I have that same feeling...and that same hope
And i keep getting this downlaod security warning everytime i try to post, or refresh or anything..anyone know anything about that?[/quote

I have been getting the same thing...we just changed from dial up to DSL over the weekend and I thought this might be a bug in our system...guess not if you are getting it to....



Thanks sunny..i am so frustrated right now with this waiting game, and my dang computer...grrrrrr....
I knew i was invloved in this guys, i mean, i spend countless numbers of hours here chatting about this and giving my humble opinions, but not until today did i realize just how involved i was....I am just almost nauseated right now at  the thought of them pulling her from that "dump"..and her poor mother...I am just sick..
It very well could be someone else's body..and i know the dogs are probably right on target with the smelling the methane, etc..But, if it were someone else's body I would be upset about that too...I would love for natalee to be alive..anywhere,,and safe..anywhere..But i think it is time..it is time for the family to know SOMETHING..and if this is it, then at least they will know...They can have the closure they need and quit wondering where she is and if she's ok..because if her body is found, then she IS ok...she is in the presence of her God and that body is just a shell that once housed a beautiful soul...and she IS ok...mixed emotions right now..myapologies for running off at the mouth  :cry:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 05:07:31 PM
Canashito is the one that has been the most to be rumoured to be connected to the case (vans seen leaving, the night of the "confession" everybody went there). If the lighthouse is on the extreme left on the island, then Canashito is in the middle, Cashunti is on the right and Budui is on the northeast site, near the goldmine ruins.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 05:08:05 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Shouldn't "your" be changed to "you're /you are" in this case to be grammatically correct?

Yes it should have been but since it took about 3 minutes to make the changes with the CGI errors on loading the page. I left my mistake. I am very sorry that has offended some posters, the alternative was to delete them and abn several posters and basically bring the board to a halt. I thought this was the better solution.

As for inspectors comment it was in response to a pretty tasteless comment in the first place. So we were willing to let them go. If it is an issue I can delete them all and ban the associated posters.

Sorry, I certainly did not mean to ruffle any feathers.  :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 05:09:47 PM
That's a dam. It was searched twice already.

A friend of mine who was with the TX team today said they didn't find anything today.

But yes, it's close.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 05:10:33 PM
The system is stressed to the breaking point.  What can we do to help this situation????  I am so happy to have this site....so prhaps you can give us some guidance and perhaps we will ALL follow them!!   You are getting the security warning because the file is trying to download instead of opening on the page.


AAAhhhhh...thank for clarifying that.

Sorry for the headaches , we are working around the clock trying to get it fixed.

Tom[/quote]

Oh no!  Thank you...headaches I can deal with...but I am addicted to this site now!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rkymtncjngrl on June 27, 2005, 05:11:31 PM
WEll said, Nikkibnurse. I couldn't have worded it better. :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bamajo on June 27, 2005, 05:11:59 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Canashito is the one that has been the most to be rumoured to be connected to the case (vans seen leaving, the night of the "confession" everybody went there). If the lighthouse is on the extreme left on the island, then Canashito is in the middle, Cashunti is on the right and Budui is on the northeast site, near the goldmine ruins.


if natalee's body is pulled from the area of which you speak, i imagine there is going to be an "investigation of the investigation" and the holloway-twitty's will demand answers from aruban and/or dutch LE officials.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
That's a dam. It was searched twice already.

A friend of mine who was with the TX team today said they didn't find anything today.

But yes, it's close.


So is it over then?  They found nothing?  I thought they were putting up markers.

Or are you talking about the team on the ground?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: puggywug on June 27, 2005, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
...It was searched twice already.
A friend of mine who was with the TX team today said they didn't find anything today...

ARUBAGIRL, are you saying that they turned up nothing at the quarry today?  Or did I misunderstand?  Thanks!  :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
There are 3 rock quarries ( you mean where they break stone? or where there is quartz)
1) Canashito (near airport)
2) Cashunti (Guadirikiri Caves)
3) Budui (Next to goldmine ruins / boca mahos
None of them are close to Montanja


Good to hear from you arubagirl! What's the word from the island right now? We're just trying to figure out where EquuSearch is looking right now -- if it's near the v.d.Sloot home or not. Do you know?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 05:14:41 PM
Quote
Hi arubagirl! A poster on Tom's site has posted this:
Posted by: gemebwai <mailto:gemebwai@hotmail.com> | June 27, 2005 03:10 PM
The quarry they are diving in now is in Moko, about 4 miles from Montaña. Its deep, dirty and has way to much water to pump out.
The VDS home has never been boarded up in spite of some reports on this blog.
The pres interferring is DUTCH, not ARUBAN! as far as radio reports go.


Sorry...but...WHICH RADIOSTATIONS are you talking about?

I might need to switch my radio station to some other than Top 95

Thanks in advance,
Teo
www.arubadag.com


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 05:15:19 PM
No, it was searched by cops and then on the day that the civil servants got off.

They're going to search back at 5.45pm I don't understand because then it'll be dark soon.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Anna on June 27, 2005, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: "heavyheart"
Anyone else feeling sick with worry right now? :cry:
<<

Oh, yes, I think most of us are.  Maybe for different reasons but certainly the fam and friends of NH are coming out of their skins.

The cadaver dogs are reliable and while it might no be NH, it is likely at least the remains of somebody so it is always a very solomn time when there is a hit, grim even.  I saw that the US media is staying back as they should but some others trampling all over the scene.  Almost seems they want to throw the dogs off scent.  

I think somebody would use this quarry for disposal if they did not dream of the coverage, exposure and the EquinneSearch Team.  But the suspense is almost painful.  In the event it is not Natalee but still the remains of another human being, they deserve respect as well and I hope the media will remember that.  Since there is no crime on the island and no one ever goes missing, that should increase the odds of it being NH.

And cadaver dogs do make false hits from time to time so we just have to wait for information.  No matter how hard it is for us, that is nothing compared to how her folks must feel about now.  I think they should be told first and it is likely they will be.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 05:15:57 PM
Editorial Note:

With the increased traffic, 350-400 of your fellow internet cousins, I would encourage you to stay on topic and possibly limit the conversation to breaking news as you get it from your "sources".

Also limit your page refreshes to 1 per minute or less per minute.

This affects all threads and all parts of the site.


Title: Boca Maho?
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 05:22:18 PM
Boca Maho...don't like the sound of that.
Tiburones?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 05:30:20 PM
CABLE SHAKEUP: 'GRETA' PASSES 'O'REILLY' FOR TOP RATED...

FOXNEWS 'GRETA' HAS QUIETLY BECOME THE TOP-RATED NEWS PROGRAM ON CABLE, NIELSEN RATINGS SHOW. 'GRETA' PASSED FNC'S 'O'REILLY' ON WED, THURS AND FRIDAY NIGHTS...

quote from that  Drudge


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bobntexas on June 27, 2005, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Quote
Shouldn't "your" be changed to "you're /you are" in this case to be grammatically correct?


Yes it should have been but since it took about 3 minutes to make the changes with the CGI errors on loading the page. I left my mistake. I am very sorry that has offended some posters, the alternative was to delete them and ban several posters and basically bring the board to a halt. I thought this was the better solution.

As for inspectors comment it was in response to a pretty tasteless comment in the first place. So we were willing to let them go. If it is an issue I can delete them all and ban the associated posters.


Hey, if it means quicker navigation through these pages I'm all for it. :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
CABLE SHAKEUP: 'GRETA' PASSES 'O'REILLY' FOR TOP RATED...

FOXNEWS 'GRETA' HAS QUIETLY BECOME THE TOP-RATED NEWS PROGRAM ON CABLE, NIELSEN RATINGS SHOW. 'GRETA' PASSED FNC'S 'O'REILLY' ON WED, THURS AND FRIDAY NIGHTS...

quote from that  Drudge
Go Greta. :D


Title: Server Down?
Post by: Vorpman on June 27, 2005, 05:31:19 PM
is the server down or overloaded?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 05:35:48 PM
I remember them saying last week this had been searched.... BUT I don't remember anything that divers had searched.  Did I miss something, am I wrong


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
I remember them saying last week this had been searched.... BUT I don't remember anything that divers had searched.  Did I miss something, am I wrong


This isn't the junky quarry near the VDS home, I don't think.  Look at how clear the water looks.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 05:39:40 PM
Soo, the MSM hasn't said a word about a cadaver dog hit in the quarry, and arubagirl reports no bogies from the TX team regarding her contact(s) right?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: "Dallas AlsoThis isn't the junky quarry near the VDS home, I don't think.  Look at how clear the water looks.[/quote


Thank-you Dallas!  I've been sitting home for weeks waiting to hear of good news... I had to run out this afternoon and was hoping when I got back that something would have broke.
Prayers are being said!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Teo on June 27, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Fellow Monkeys,

Too bad, but I have to leave.
For any Arubian outthere in the USA or elsewhere in the world, except Aruba. Maybe you can listen to arubian radio via internet and keep this forum updated.

For those arubians on the island, I know you are stuck to the radio.

www.arubadag.com

Teo


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 05:46:21 PM
Van Der Sloot translates to "Van of the Ditch" in English.  This has probably been mentioned on this board, I wasn't sure...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
CABLE SHAKEUP: 'GRETA' PASSES 'O'REILLY' FOR TOP RATED...

FOXNEWS 'GRETA' HAS QUIETLY BECOME THE TOP-RATED NEWS PROGRAM ON CABLE, NIELSEN RATINGS SHOW. 'GRETA' PASSED FNC'S 'O'REILLY' ON WED, THURS AND FRIDAY NIGHTS...

quote from that  Drudge


Oh, I do love this a bit.  Though Greta could soon be the subject of the next missing person investigation.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 05:48:54 PM
Greta covered this story with heart and soul and with compassion for Natalies family.  I havent seen reporting like this ever.
She deserves to be number 1 unfortunately its temporary due to the intense interest in this case.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Charmz on June 27, 2005, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: "Kipster"
Soo, the MSM hasn't said a word about a cadaver dog hit in the quarry, and arubagirl reports no bogies from the TX team regarding her contact(s) right?


Who are the "MSM".  Being new to this board and all.  Appreciate your enlightenment.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Chaumes on June 27, 2005, 05:50:38 PM
MSM:  Main Stream Media (i.e. Fox, CNN, etc.)


Title: Re: Boca Maho?
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: "Hat"
Boca Maho...don't like the sound of that.
Tiburones?


Hello Hat:... could you please elaborate/explain your post?

Thank you...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 05:57:49 PM
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.


Title: water search dogs
Post by: westiehouse1 on June 27, 2005, 05:58:51 PM
Here is a good article on water search dogs to read while you wait....it's from Riehl World View.  Apolgies please if it's already been posted...

http://www.cee.mtu.edu/~hssantef/sar/others/Hardy/WaterSearch.html


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Greta covered this story with heart and soul and with compassion for Natalies family.  I havent seen reporting like this ever.
She deserves to be number 1 unfortunately its temporary due to the intense interest in this case.


I agree, Greta has poured her heart and sould into this.  She does deserve to be #1 and she can be kept there if we will continue watching her (I do already, I love Fox).  We can show her our appreciation by continuing to support her.  As the Fox promo states...."Greta owns this story".


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

Well unless YOU did something to Natalee.....how could you possibly KNOW that Joran is innocent??  I would just like to know what makes you so sure?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: "Chaumes"
MSM:  Main Stream Media (i.e. Fox, CNN, etc.)


Actually,  the main stream media is ABC, NBC, and CBS.


Title: Could be it
Post by: LouLou on June 27, 2005, 06:03:25 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com

Looks like that quarry has got a "hit" but the dogs.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 06:04:31 PM
bendex,

Is that a feeling for a fact? If it is a fact, do you have proof?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

He's only Innocent Until proven GUILTY!   I beleive the prosecutors have alot more info,. on Joran than we're aware of.  With the hearings, they only have to show a small amount of evidence against him to retain him. With each appearance, they show alittle more.  I'm willing to bet, they have alot of info. that would increase its value with a body. We'll wait and see......
Prayers for Natalee!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Hat on June 27, 2005, 06:04:37 PM
Translate Boca Maho...what is it? Mouth of_________.

Tiburon = shark


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

Well unless YOU did something to Natalee.....how could you possibly KNOW that Joran is innocent??  I would just like to know what makes you so sure?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rkymtncjngrl on June 27, 2005, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Greta covered this story with heart and soul and with compassion for Natalies family.  I havent seen reporting like this ever.
She deserves to be number 1 unfortunately its temporary due to the intense interest in this case.


I agree, Greta has poured her heart and sould into this.  She does deserve to be #1 and she can be kept there if we will continue watching her (I do already, I love Fox).  We can show her our appreciation by continuing to support her.  As the Fox promo states...."Greta owns this story".
I loved Greta, but every time I turn on Fox now all I get is Geraldo. Who I CAN"T stand. YUCk :x


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: skellman on June 27, 2005, 06:08:52 PM
I think the only thing about joran that is innocent is his face. He is a proven liar, gambler,drinker and a player. I am praying that this an animal that fell in to the quarry and not Nat. I still want closure iether way.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DT on June 27, 2005, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

Well unless YOU did something to Natalee.....how could you possibly KNOW that Joran is innocent??  I would just like to know what makes you so sure?


Point us to these messgaes. Or any info that she was killed later than may 30th.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: a Troll on June 27, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "Chaumes"
MSM:  Main Stream Media (i.e. Fox, CNN, etc.)


Actually,  the main stream media is ABC, NBC, and CBS.

Actually, the MSM is ABCNNBCBS


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rkymtncjngrl on June 27, 2005, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

Well unless YOU did something to Natalee.....how could you possibly KNOW that Joran is innocent??  I would just like to know what makes you so sure?
 Your last sentence is really SCARY.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 06:11:43 PM
Hello, all....

Can anyone give me a news update?  Our Internet was down at work and couldn't even check in....probably good for me as I was way too connected to this case over the weekend.

The only news I have is I heard back from a friend who is covering this story in Aruba...she says Geraldo is very smart...but, his set is wild and like a movie set...with all the producers yelling at each other.  She says there are huge lights and egos to go with them!  She failed to give me any inside poop on the case...(I doubt there is much)

Hope everyone is having a good Monday.

Please, an update?

~Nancy


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nisxan on June 27, 2005, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

No scars on his FACE, but what about elsewhere?

Almost 3 hours is a long time...

Who might have posted? This info should be forwarded to the proper authorities, IMO.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inspector_detector on June 27, 2005, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

He's only Innocent Until proven GUILTY!   I beleive the prosecutors have alot more info,. on Joran than we're aware of.  With the hearings, they only have to show a small amount of evidence against him to retain him. With each appearance, they show alittle more.  I'm willing to bet, they have alot of info. that would increase its value with a body. We'll wait and see......
Prayers for Natalee!


According to Satish's attorney at the last hearing, they still have only the same evidence that they started with. Nothing. :shock:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent...And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 
Quote from: "bendex"

Bendex, do you have any links to these entries?  Or is this your intuition talking?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 06:12:40 PM
Well there are no really many facts . availible to all of us. But I have a feeling , but my feelings me be wrong .

quote="nisxan"]bendex,

Is that a feeling for a fact? If it is a fact, do you have proof?[/quote]


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:12:59 PM
Sadly, if Natalee is in this quarry; it may take some time to identify. I would imagine being in the wated this long it would be difficult with any certainty immediately.  Probably birthmarks, clothing or jewelry could identify, but not with 100% accuracy.
I pray her mother, dad, step-parents don't have to be the ones that identfy her.  This makes me sick, I feel for everyone involved. Coming from exp. when my brother was killed, this is never pleasant for anyone!
Prayers being said!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: la_cavalière on June 27, 2005, 06:13:51 PM
I have heard one of the Equusearch dogs is one of the top dogs in the country in his field. I have two beagles and I can attest to their incredible ability to follow a scent (they follow squirrels and bunnies, not people or cadavers). However, I have been disappointed with the performance of scent dogs in several high-profile cases:

3 New Jersey kids: Dog followed trail to bank of river, not to trunk of car.

Boy Scout who was recently found alive: Dogs did not track scent.

Runaway Bride: Dogs did not pick up her scent.

Elizabeth Smart: Kidnapped from her home, left on foot to area behind her house. Dogs did not follow her scent.

Danielle van Dam: Bloodhound brought into Westerfield's home; no alert strong enough to accept at trial. Cadaver dog who alerted at his motor home was basically discounted by jury when the handler's credentials were in question.

Chandra Levy: I recall scent dogs were used at first and tracked her scent a short way down the street, but that's it.

I'm sure there's others, too. Can anyone name any cases where dogs did find someone? I'm sure they are out there, but I haven't heard about them lately.

La Cavalière


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Sadly, if Natalee is in this quarry; it may take some time to identify. I would imagine being in the wated this long it would be difficult with any certainty immediately.  Probably birthmarks, clothing or jewelry could identify, but not with 100% accuracy.
I pray her mother, dad, step-parents don't have to be the ones that identfy her.  This makes me sick, I feel for everyone involved. Coming from exp. when my brother was killed, this is never pleasant for anyone!
Prayers being said!
Oh Candygirl, so sorry to hear about that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 06:14:59 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Quote
Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Again...how could you possibly know when or if she was killed?
If you have a suspicion that someone posting on this site is the killer, I certainly hope you have given that information to the proper authorities!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

Do you remember who the poster was?Can you direct us to those posts?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: "inspector_detector"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

He's only Innocent Until proven GUILTY!   I beleive the prosecutors have alot more info,. on Joran than we're aware of.  With the hearings, they only have to show a small amount of evidence against him to retain him. With each appearance, they show alittle more.  I'm willing to bet, they have alot of info. that would increase its value with a body. We'll wait and see......
Prayers for Natalee!


According to Satish's attorney at the last hearing, they still have only the same evidence that they started with. Nothing. :shock:


Which sounds to me exactly like what every defense attorney says.  What else can they say?  "They have a ton of evidence against my client but I think with luck on our side we may win."  A defense attorney would say nothing else but "there is no evidence".  And remember that he is the attorney for Satish, and there very well could be little evidence against him, but his lie keeps him detained.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 06:15:48 PM
If a body has been in the water 30 days, wouldn't decomposition have set in to the point that identification would most likely  be made by dental records, dna testing?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: "nisxan"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

No scars on his FACE, but what about elsewhere?

Almost 3 hours is a long time...

Who might have posted? This info should be forwarded to the proper authorities, IMO.


No way, no way in hell. Well I hope.  :shock:


Title: Satellite Image
Post by: boxopen on June 27, 2005, 06:17:33 PM
European Space Agency satellite image of Aruba: The area covers the Lago de Maracaibo and the Guajira and Paraguand peninsulas in Venezuela, with the island of Aruba (top middle) and Curacao in the Caribbean.
(Credits: ESA - 300 metre resolution - Size: 2.276 kb)
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/envisat/Venezuela_MER_FR_Orbit05318_20030307_20030324.jpg


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bendex on June 27, 2005, 06:17:56 PM
Lets wait and see what they dig up from quarry. If it is  natalee I am death wrong.

But I think many leeds have been generated on this Blog and been investigated  due to public demand .


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: alpha_fruit on June 27, 2005, 06:18:17 PM
candygirl for you....(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/kiss2.gif)
(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/tulips.gif)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: westiehouse1 on June 27, 2005, 06:20:14 PM
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 06:22:01 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 

Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bendex"
sorry guys for being stubborn , joran is innocent . Although it would be a big breaktrough for the case if it would be the body of natalee. I doubt it it is going to be her body.

Well unless YOU did something to Natalee.....how could you possibly KNOW that Joran is innocent??  I would just like to know what makes you so sure?


Really now?  I would be interested in reading those posts?  Are they from bendex?  lol


Title: Re: Satellite Image
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 06:22:22 PM
Quote from: "boxopen"
European Space Agency satellite image of Aruba:
(http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/envisat/Venezuela_MER_FR_Orbit05318_20030307_20030324.jpg


That is way cool!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: littletxlady on June 27, 2005, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Lets wait and see what they dig up from quarry. If it is  natalee I am death wrong.

But I think many leeds have been generated on this Blog and been investigated  due to public demand .


bendex
I second the motion. I agree with you on most of your points but I am hoping she is still alive. I think we have been on the same page since the beginning, if I am reading you right.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: "alpha_fruit"
candygirl for you....(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/kiss2.gif)
(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/tulips.gif)


thank-you soooo very much, you're sweet!  Altho' it was back in '82, he was only 25 and a father of a 4mth old.  Sorry to get off topic, just wanted to make the point that the parents should nOT see her at all!
if this comes to be...Natalee


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 06:23:52 PM
La Cavalier:

Most of the cases you mentioned regarding the dogs were ones where Live scent dogs were used..ie:  dogs searching for one persons particular scent.. The dogs used by equisearch are cadaver dogs trained in recognizing any decomposing body and the gases emitted during this process.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 06:24:07 PM
Does anyone know if the divers are still down???  

Teo left a message I didn't quite understand...he was translating a few minutes ago.

It's been awhile - just wondering.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


OMG! whoever is responsible, are ANIMALS!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: "Lausa"
If a body has been in the water 30 days, wouldn't decomposition have set in to the point that identification would most likely  be made by dental records, dna testing?


Yes DNA and dental records are used, but they take time. I meant for any kind of immediate (assummable) identification would be other's mentioned earlier.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 06:34:01 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Does anyone know if the divers are still down???  

Teo left a message I didn't quite understand...he was translating a few minutes ago.

It's been awhile - just wondering.


..arubagirl had posted a message earlier that the divers were due back in
the water at 5:45 (Aruba time)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "Lausa"
If a body has been in the water 30 days, wouldn't decomposition have set in to the point that identification would most likely  be made by dental records, dna testing?


Yes DNA and dental records are used, but they take time. I meant for any kind of immediate (assummable) identification would be other's mentioned earlier.



.. I would assume her hair would still be intact. That would be a fairly
telling sign IMO..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 06:37:02 PM
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM

This same poster appears to be in Aruba.  He was asked if the family was aware of the "hit" at the quarry, etc.  He said that the family has asked that nothing be announced to the media unless there's a positive identification.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 27, 2005, 06:37:32 PM
bendex
I second the motion. I agree with you on most of your points but I am hoping she is still alive. I think we have been on the same page since the beginning, if I am reading you right.[/quote]

What page is that may I ask? What do you 2 seem to know that the rest of us don't?


"bendex"]I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .  - I really don't see the what this is supposed to mean?....so he has no scars on his face??  Are you saying Natalee would have scratched him on his face?  Perhaps....perhaps not....hs is a big guy and she a little lady....

To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.  - huh....why do you think this...I know of several place within 3-4 miles of my home that I could hide a body...
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later . - now just how in the world do you know this??? Were you involved?  And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog. HUH?????  If this is the truth and not merely an attention getter,  ....if you beleive this have you reported your suspecions to authorities??  I am sorry but your reasons have lots of holes as far as I am concerned.....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ajmac57 on June 27, 2005, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "Lausa"
If a body has been in the water 30 days, wouldn't decomposition have set in to the point that identification would most likely  be made by dental records, dna testing?


Yes DNA and dental records are used, but they take time. I meant for any kind of immediate (assummable) identification would be other's mentioned earlier.



.. I would assume her hair would still be intact. That would be a fairly
telling sign IMO..


Is this fresh water or sea water? How deep is the water?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 06:38:32 PM
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "Lausa"
If a body has been in the water 30 days, wouldn't decomposition have set in to the point that identification would most likely  be made by dental records, dna testing?


Yes DNA and dental records are used, but they take time. I meant for any kind of immediate (assummable) identification would be other's mentioned earlier.



.. I would assume her hair would still be intact. That would be a fairly
telling sign IMO..


yes I foregot about hair, duh!
I sure hope they'll still be able to get trace evidence off her clothes....its possible even being in the water this long


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 06:41:15 PM
Been to Moko damn closes to Montanja (about 2 minutes driving)

NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing.

Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 



 do we need to go back and read all of YOUR posts to see what conclusion we can come up with?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.



I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...


I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...


...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Been to Moko damn closes to Montanja (about 2 minutes driving)

NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing.

Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.


Could he/she been working with a team away from the quarry that Dan at Riehl reported and not know anything about the search there?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: MsPooh on June 27, 2005, 06:44:06 PM
k fellow monkeys, what was our conclusion about these guys having access to computers and the internet in prison?I am really beginning to wonder or maybe I am to the paranoia point.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 06:44:20 PM
inthepacific, as I understand it, he was with the team that was with the dad. I don't know if there were multiple teams


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Been to Moko damn closes to Montanja (about 2 minutes driving)

NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing.

Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.


Is it at all possible that they're waiting for confirmation on identity before announcing it, or they in fact found nothing?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Been to Moko damn closes to Montanja (about 2 minutes driving)

NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing.

Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.



...Thank you arubagirl..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: natfortplum on June 27, 2005, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.



I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...


I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...


...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...


A quarry is where they dig for whatever reason?(maybe for the dirt) and is continually dug until holes from deep down start releasing water. This is what fills up the the area.

I'm sorry, I know that isn't a very clear explanation but this is what I have heard it is.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: littletxlady on June 27, 2005, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 



o.k. you are either involved,just plain wierd or a troll..hey maybe you know the guy or persons involved, do we need to go back and read all of YOUR posts to see what conclusion we can come up with..well hell maybe your just a troll...whuteva!



GEEZE! that was tacky! just because someone has a theory that doesn't include your theory or a lot of the eople on here that want to bring Joran in and lynch him, they are a troll, a weirdo or involved?
I have been here reading and posting on occassion from the beginning and I see RED and TOM trying very hard to keep this forum under control, but some of you people are WAY OUT OF LINE!  What in the world is going on here?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: "MsPooh"
k fellow monkeys, what was our conclusion about these guys having access to computers and the internet in prison?I am really beginning to wonder or maybe I am to the paranoia point.



They better not be able to have access to computers in prison, it's not a county club of sorts or is it!  If this were true, I would be outraged and so should the arubian community!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
inthepacific, as I understand it, he was with the team that was with the dad. I don't know if there were multiple teams


thanks arubagirl


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.
No, wasn't that when she wouldn't get out of the car, when her friends asked her to? According to the DPAK email?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.



I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...


I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...


...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...


Quarry - an open excavation or pit from which stone is obtained by digging, cutting, or blasting.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 27, 2005, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.



I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...


I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...


...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...


A quarry is where they dig for whatever reason?(maybe for the dirt) and is continually dug until holes from deep down start releasing water. This is what fills up the the area.

I'm sorry, I know that isn't a very clear explanation but this is what I have heard it is.


A quarry is where rock has been blasted or dug out of the ground, leaving behind a deep hole.  Quite often, the hole fills with ground water and the area becomes a deep lake.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Is this fresh water or sea water? How deep is the water?


It would be rackish water - this water contains sea salt but not as much as the open sea.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 



o.k. you are either involved,just plain wierd or a troll..hey maybe you know the guy or persons involved, do we need to go back and read all of YOUR posts to see what conclusion we can come up with..well hell maybe your just a troll...whuteva!



GEEZE! that was tacky! just because someone has a theory that doesn't include your theory or a lot of the eople on here that want to bring Joran in and lynch him, they are a troll, a weirdo or involved?
I have been here reading and posting on occassion from the beginning and I see RED and TOM trying very hard to keep this forum under control, but some of you people are WAY OUT OF LINE!  What in the world is going on here?


Seems like a lotta puffing, and a lotta passing.... :wink:  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: m.a. johnson on June 27, 2005, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Been to Moko damn closes to Montanja (about 2 minutes driving)

NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing.

Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.


Is it at all possible that they're waiting for confirmation on identity before announcing it, or they in fact found nothing?


I would say that nothing had yet been found in that it would likely be portioned off if that were the case.


Title: Bendex Theories
Post by: mishj on June 27, 2005, 06:51:34 PM
Please elaborate, Bendex, on your theories - or if you cant do it publicly, do it privately - send me private email?

I am intrigued, esp as your suspicions are clearly shared by someone else on the same page as you


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 


o.k. you are either involved,just plain wierd or a troll..hey maybe you know the guy or persons involved, do we need to go back and read all of YOUR posts to see what conclusion we can come up with..well hell maybe your just a troll...whuteva!

GEEZE! that was tacky! just because someone has a theory that doesn't include your theory or a lot of the eople on here that want to bring Joran in and lynch him, they are a troll, a weirdo or involved?
I have been here reading and posting on occassion from the beginning and I see RED and TOM trying very hard to keep this forum under control, but some of you people are WAY OUT OF LINE!  What in the world is going on here?


Seems like a lotta puffing, and a lotta passing.... :wink:  :wink:

Well if there is any puffing, it damn well better get passed to me!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Charlotte on June 27, 2005, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.


I also believe that.  It makes more sense to me than all this driving back and forth to the beach, lighthouse, etc,  Also the fact that Mommy was out of town.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 06:55:03 PM
arubagirl:
Quote
NOTHING. All quiet. No evidence tags, no one in the water, nothing. Asked a friend helping in TX group. He searched until 4 pm, found nothing.

As usual thx, love the photos BTW. This would explain/confirm the relative MSM silence today. Actually, it's been 2nd-page news since the PVDS release. Greta, get on a plane.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.



I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...


I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...


...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...


A quarry is where they dig for whatever reason?(maybe for the dirt) and is continually dug until holes from deep down start releasing water. This is what fills up the the area.

I'm sorry, I know that isn't a very clear explanation but this is what I have heard it is.


A quarry is where rock has been blasted or dug out of the ground, leaving behind a deep hole.  Quite often, the hole fills with ground water and the area becomes a deep lake.


                  :oops:
 :oops: Was I a little close? :oops:
                  :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dragonfly on June 27, 2005, 06:56:47 PM
Inthepacific, I thought you were very close.  Just not straight from the dictionary, but very close!!!   :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: littletxlady on June 27, 2005, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "littletxlady"
Quote from: "MsPooh"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 


o.k. you are either involved,just plain wierd or a troll..hey maybe you know the guy or persons involved, do we need to go back and read all of YOUR posts to see what conclusion we can come up with..well hell maybe your just a troll...whuteva!

GEEZE! that was tacky! just because someone has a theory that doesn't include your theory or a lot of the people on here that want to bring Joran in and lynch him, they are a troll, a weirdo or involved?
I have been here reading and posting on occassion from the beginning and I see RED and TOM trying very hard to keep this forum under control, but some of you people are WAY OUT OF LINE!  What in the world is going on here?


Seems like a lotta puffing, and a lotta passing.... :wink:  :wink:

Well if there is any puffing, it damn well better get passed to me!


ROFLMAO   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "bob_in_MD"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Has anyone heard how deep this quarry is??
 :?:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, hair is the first thing to leave the body while submerged.

I've not heard anything about the depth or the Fresh vs. Sea water...

I believe arubagirl had said it was a Dam NOT a quarry...

...what the hell is a 'quarry' anyhow?... I just keep thinking of
The Flintstone's...

A quarry is where they dig for whatever reason?(maybe for the dirt) and is continually dug until holes from deep down start releasing water. This is what fills up the the area.

I'm sorry, I know that isn't a very clear explanation but this is what I have heard it is.

A quarry is where rock has been blasted or dug out of the ground, leaving behind a deep hole.  Quite often, the hole fills with ground water and the area becomes a deep lake.

                  :oops:
 :oops: Was I a little close? :oops:
                  :oops:

close enough for government work  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 06:58:22 PM
Except that we don't have groundwater, and I don't think it's that deep :)

We call that a dam. Quarry made me think of somewhere they were actually breaking stone.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: natfortplum on June 27, 2005, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.
No, wasn't that when she wouldn't get out of the car, when her friends asked her to? According to the DPAK email?


Well it was also stated that she told Joran to leave her alone or something to that effect. I am wondering if the statements are correct just the locations were lies. Just trying to figure this out. You are right, though, I do believe he said it was at C&C's that she refused to get out. Wouldn't you think that someone from MB would have come out and said something about that by now? Maybe not.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: m.a. johnson on June 27, 2005, 06:59:36 PM
The quarry is very deep.  A body was recovered from there about ten years ago during a drought when the waters had receeded.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 06:59:57 PM
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Inthepacific, I thought you were very close.  Just not straight from the dictionary, but very close!!!   :wink:


... I second that opinion inthepacific!

... I was stuck on The Flintstones forGodsake... :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Inthepacific, I thought you were very close.  Just not straight from the dictionary, but very close!!!   :wink:


A humble thank-you dragonfly.    :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.


Was it you?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 07:01:40 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...

We don't know yet.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: "spab"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Inthepacific, I thought you were very close.  Just not straight from the dictionary, but very close!!!   :wink:


... I second that opinion inthepacific!

... I was stuck on The Flintstones forGodsake... :lol:


A yabadabadoo ty to u spab!
 :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 07:02:20 PM
>>The quarry is very deep.

OK, how deep is 'very deep'? :) 200 feet is pretty 'very deep' as far as a diver is concerned.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...

We don't know yet.


Tks.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 07:03:51 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Terry on June 27, 2005, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "Terry"
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.
No, wasn't that when she wouldn't get out of the car, when her friends asked her to? According to the DPAK email?


Well it was also stated that she told Joran to leave her alone or something to that effect. I am wondering if the statements are correct just the locations were lies. Just trying to figure this out. You are right, though, I do believe he said it was at C&C's that she refused to get out. Wouldn't you think that someone from MB would have come out and said something about that by now? Maybe not.

Well, imo, this is probably when she wouldn't get out, but due to all the lies, and misinfo, who really knows anymore.
I do not think we should boycott Aruba, but storm it. I no longer know what to believe. And it makes me wanna puff puff pass.  :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ajmac57 on June 27, 2005, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Is this fresh water or sea water? How deep is the water?


It would be brackish water - this water contains sea salt but not as much as the open sea.



Will brackish water speed or slow down decomposition?
If this is deep water, the water tempature could be cold, I know cold water will slow down the decomposition.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


many tks...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Was it you?

I would really like to know who on this blog you think is involved here...or are we leaving it up to LE to discover??


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: m.a. johnson on June 27, 2005, 07:07:13 PM
I cannot speculate to the actual depth, just going by prior information gathered earlier in the day. I think that the depth that was being talked about would be less than 200'.


Quote from: "Kipster"
>>The quarry is very deep.

OK, how deep is 'very deep'? :) 200 feet is pretty 'very deep' as far as a diver is concerned.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Vander F on June 27, 2005, 07:07:20 PM
allas Also

Posts: 317
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject:   
"Van Der Sloot translates to "Van of the Ditch" in English. This has probably been mentioned on this board, I wasn't sure..."

Sorry, 'van der Sloot' translates as ' from the the ditch', coming from: *John* 'living close to the ditch'.
I'm Dutch native, I'm sure.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kshe78 on June 27, 2005, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.


Plays right into my theory last night that I don't think they went to the Marriott Beach.  I didn't figure out WHERE they went (though I've suspected the apartment), but I don't think it was the Marriott Beach.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 07:10:17 PM
That is good to hear...I was worried it might be too deep for the divers to get right down to the bottom.

Quote from: "m.a. johnson"
I cannot speculate to the actual depth, just going by prior information gathered earlier in the day. I think that the depth that was being talked about would be less than 200'.


Quote from: "Kipster"
>>The quarry is very deep.

OK, how deep is 'very deep'? :) 200 feet is pretty 'very deep' as far as a diver is concerned.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 07:10:34 PM
I think Steve Croes' attorney needs to have a chat with Fox News.

Twice today I have heard them say that Steve "lied to police to cover for his friend," however according to the attorney, he heard Deepak say something, reported that to the authorities, and was arrested.

I don't know what the laws regarding any civil recourse he may have are in Aruba, but at the very least his lawyer could get Fox to stop maligning his name.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dl3fan on June 27, 2005, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Is this fresh water or sea water? How deep is the water?


It would be brackish water - this water contains sea salt but not as much as the open sea.



Will brackish water speed or slow down decomposition?
If this is deep water, the water tempature could be cold, I know cold water will slow down the decomposition.


I would venture to guess that the water in aruba is not cold due to their warm climate.  Brackish water should preserve any findings more so than salt water.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "ajmac57"
Is this fresh water or sea water? How deep is the water?


It would be brackish water - this water contains sea salt but not as much as the open sea.



Will brackish water speed or slow down decomposition?
If this is deep water, the water tempature could be cold, I know cold water will slow down the decomposition.


Salt preserves things.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DT on June 27, 2005, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


many tks...


I'd hasten to add that none of this has been confimred.  And arubgirl said that she spoke with one of the members of the texas team who told her nothing had been found.  

Remember folks, this comes from Dan Riehl, the guy who still though Steve Croes was an EMT long after it had been confimred he wasn't.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: igsigs on June 27, 2005, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 


What's that common phrase? K.I.S.S?
If Nat is alive, the 3 amigos do not tell that initial lie because she can disprove it. If they know Nat is not alive they can lie all they want. And they did.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Belle on June 27, 2005, 07:13:21 PM
We have several quarries in our area--lime rock used as a base to build highways was mined for years.  These are fresh water. No I'm not in Aruba.  They are stocked with fish and the water is very clean for swimming.  These are about 35-40 feet deep --how far the rock could be mined from.  Cars have been found in the one by the highway--detected when oil was seen floating on top of the water.  In time nature has reclaimed them-very beautiful--not like the picture of the one posted in Aruba.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 07:14:18 PM
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Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:15:17 PM
Which pictuere was posted?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


many tks...


I'd hasten to add that none of this has been confimred.  And arubgirl said that she spoke with one of the members of the texas team who told her nothing had been found.  

Remember folks, this comes from Dan Riehl, the guy who still though Steve Croes was an EMT long after it had been confimred he wasn't.


LOL, yes we must be careful about this 'so called breaking news', it could not be fact at all from the Riehl site. This could be why there has been no report from the MSM today regarding this.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: m.a. johnson on June 27, 2005, 07:16:06 PM
Quote from: "kshe78"
Quote from: "natfortplum"
Quote from: "westiehouse1"
Here is an interesting post on Riehl......just a post.


I can tell you that their is a story that she was taken back to his apartment. It is believed she was not cohearant enough to understand what was going on and believed she was being taken back to the hotel. Probably drugged. She had asked to go back the hotel directly form the Lighthouse. It is thought that never happened.
Posted by: Justin T | June 27, 2005 01:23 PM


This is what I've always believed... I think she did refuse to get out of the car, just like Deepak stated. (because she knew something was up) She wasn't at the hoteland she knew it.[/quote

Plays right into my theory last night that I don't think they went to the Marriott Beach.  I didn't figure out WHERE they went (though I've suspected the apartment), but I don't think it was the Marriott Beach.


I was thinking along the same lines as you as one of my own possible theories.  This has possibly been nothing more than an elaborate smokescreen to compromise investigation.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


many tks...


I'd hasten to add that none of this has been confimred.  And arubgirl said that she spoke with one of the members of the texas team who told her nothing had been found.  

Remember folks, this comes from Dan Riehl, the guy who still though Steve Croes was an EMT long after it had been confimred he wasn't.


Actually , this is part of what confused me. To listen to ArubaGirl, and fit together all the crosscurrents, it sounded as thought there were a ground search today and a water search , and I wasnt clear as to which ArubaGirl was referring to when she said that "nothing had been found". And whether that implied that the RieldWorld "reports" were "false" or mislead. Probably, in truth, none of us know.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Juvenal on June 27, 2005, 07:17:11 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
I think Steve Croes' attorney needs to have a chat with Fox News.

Twice today I have heard them say that Steve "lied to police to cover for his friend," however according to the attorney, he heard Deepak say something, reported that to the authorities, and was arrested.

I don't know what the laws regarding any civil recourse he may have are in Aruba, but at the very least his lawyer could get Fox to stop maligning his name.


The American editor of the Aruban newspaper talked to Fox earlier and said that he lied "from the bottom of his heart, to be a nice guy."

Hmmm...Interesting definition of a "nice guy." Your friends are questioned by police because a tourist has gone missing. They ask you to corroborate their alibi, even though you don't know their whereabouts, and you agree. This makes you a "nice guy?"

I find it disturbing that people can accept that uncritically.

Either way, the source of that info is an Aruban source, not Fox News.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "candygirl"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.
 


What's that common phrase? K.I.S.S?
If Nat is alive, the 3 amigos do not tell that initial lie because she can disprove it. If they know Nat is not alive they can lie all they want. And they did.


I absolutly agree with you on that.  BTW, quote above was NOT mine


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DT on June 27, 2005, 07:18:37 PM
Another interesting thing about the Riehl story this afternoon, he initially posted that their was a hit by one of the dogs, but later he posted that it was 'rumored'  one of the dogs got a hit.  So I'm not sure if Dan is even certain of it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 07:18:39 PM
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.


Was it you?

OH COME ON, NOW.  (and I meant the caps)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2005, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Which pictuere was posted?

This picture on Dan Reihl's site.  Even Dan says he's not sure if it's the location in question.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/ac9a.jpg


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:19:25 PM
What I meant with nothing has been found is that I asked: Was anything found at Moko? He said: No, we didn't find anything today.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: spab on June 27, 2005, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Which pictuere was posted?



arubagirl...lookat the Breaking News Only thread. Its easier to find there
IMO


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: "inthepacific"
Quote from: "DT"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "Dallas Also"
Quote from: "gaijin"
Sorry, been out for an hour and catching up...so what was with the "hit" by the dogs and  then divers? Did this pan out? was it false and never happened? is it ongoing? do we simply not know?...tks anyone...


gaijin, the news broke about 12:40 Eastern Daylight Time that the dogs had made a hit at a quarry. There are three quarries on the island, and there has been some debate about which one.  

Divers were sent in.  The MSM was asked to chill, not make big announcements.  Even so, the Dutch media tried to press in, even tried to get into the water for photos.  A small press conference was held to re-emphasize that the media had to stay back and let the dogs and divers pursue the hit.


many tks...


I'd hasten to add that none of this has been confimred.  And arubgirl said that she spoke with one of the members of the texas team who told her nothing had been found.  

Remember folks, this comes from Dan Riehl, the guy who still though Steve Croes was an EMT long after it had been confimred he wasn't.


LOL, yes we must be careful about this 'so called breaking news', it could not be fact at all from the Riehl site. This could be why there has been no report from the MSM today regarding this.


In defense of Dan, he had the same info. many other's here on this site were receiving from the radio; www.arubaam.com
So I have to beleive there was some sort of truth, just didn't pan out. Or maybe another body not Nat's  Who knows?


Title: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: Compananzi on June 27, 2005, 07:22:50 PM
They interviewed Tom ? from Equusearch yesterday, and he almost garanteed a return of Natalee...I sure hope so but it sure rang like many of the phrases such as 'case will be solved in 24hrs', 'within 24 hrs'.. I wonder if there is a thing in Aruba of a hangup with 24 hrs...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
What I meant with nothing has been found is that I asked: Was anything found at Moko? He said: No, we didn't find anything today.


OK, tks. So, as far as you are/were concerned, this "hit" by a dog and subsequent "abyss" search hasnt even taken place today as far as  you know/have heard.
Am I getting that right? from what  you hear.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 07:23:57 PM
OK, before anybody asks me, "who are you, how do you know these things?" Let me say that i worked with the coroner, ME, Forensics, etc and have studied alot on forensic science..maybe I can shed a little light..maybe.. :?
As far as salt water goes, it would act to preserve the body..but , if there is any animal life/marine life that just so happened to wander into the area, such as turtles, ect, that would of course speed the process...at a 3-4 week time period, i would not think that decomposition had set in to the point where a body would be unrecognizable...water acts to preserve better than open air...


Title: Re: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 07:24:12 PM
Do the dogs know the difference between the scent of human decay and other animal decay?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:24:38 PM
Gajijn, that was my understanding, yes.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
I think Steve Croes' attorney needs to have a chat with Fox News.


According to sources, Steve stated to police that he had seen the amigos drop Natalee off at the hotel.

Unfortunately, the amigos changed their story the next day to say they had NOT dropped her off at the hotel.


Title: Re: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: DT on June 27, 2005, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Do the dogs know the difference between the scent of human decay and other animal decay?


Yes.


Title: Re: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: simpleybad on June 27, 2005, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Do the dogs know the difference between the scent of human decay and other animal decay?

these are trained specifically for human decay


Title: Re: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Do the dogs know the difference between the scent of human decay and other animal decay?


yes, they are supposed to be able to differentiate...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 07:26:46 PM
Tonight on MSNBC Abrams did a lenthy report on the Holloway investigation.  He had M. Croes on.  She sais PvdS was still a suspect and that the prosecutors fought very hard to detain him for longer.  She said he was a murder suspect.  There was video of SC hugging family and friends, said he was well-treated in jail.  There was a reporter live on Aruba who had absolutely nothing to say about the search, which was telling in and of itself.  Dan Abrams said to him that they will go back to him in case there are any developments in the case. There were a couple of lawyers who gave their view on what this all means, nothing we haven't heard before.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Ting"
I think Steve Croes' attorney needs to have a chat with Fox News.


According to sources, Steve stated to police that he had seen the amigos drop Natalee off at the hotel.

Unfortunately, the amigos changed their story the next day to say they had NOT dropped her off at the hotel.


So where did I see that he had overheard Deepak say that on the phone to somebody? I think it was one of the news channels, but I could be mistaken.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: gaijin on June 27, 2005, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Gajijn, that was my understanding, yes.


OK, well..me...I take THAT as more reliable...coming from you...and assume instead we had another media whillwind of false rumors..


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Was it you?

I would really like to know who on this blog you think is involved here...or are we leaving it up to LE to discover??


Jeez, Bendex:

WTF?  Are you for real about this?  Is this an attention getter?  Are you having a cocktail this afternoon?  Uhhhhhhh....why would you say something like this?  Have you notified authorities?  Tom?  Red?  Dan?  

Don't go messin' with us!

~Nancy


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 07:29:46 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
So where did I see that he had overheard Deepak say that on the phone to somebody? I think it was one of the news channels, but I could be mistaken.


Yes, that was the second story!  At the time of his detention, the first story was all over the news.


Title: arubagirl thanks
Post by: hardin9744 on June 27, 2005, 07:30:19 PM
your effort is amazing, Arubagirl!  thank you so much for being willing to help us w/first hand accounts of searches, etc.  

the photos yesterday were great,  they really helped give me a perspective on the locales we've been discussing.

your home is beautiful!    thank you again for taking time out of your real life for us.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:31:39 PM
My pleasure, hardin


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inthepacific on June 27, 2005, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Tonight on MSNBC Abrams did a lenthy report on the Holloway investigation.  He had M. Croes on.  She sais PvdS was still a suspect and that the prosecutors fought very hard to detain him for longer.  She said he was a murder suspect.  There was video of SC hugging family and friends, said he was well-treated in jail.  There was a reporter live on Aruba who had absolutely nothing to say about the search, which was telling in and of itself.  Dan Abrams said to him that they will go back to him in case there are any developments in the case. There were a couple of lawyers who gave their view on what this all means, nothing we haven't heard before.


thanks arrabba for the update!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "Ting"
So where did I see that he had overheard Deepak say that on the phone to somebody? I think it was one of the news channels, but I could be mistaken.


Yes, that was the second story!  At the time of his detention, the first story was all over the news.


You mean he went to the polis and said he saw them drop her off, then admitted that he had only overheard Deepak say that? I am confused.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Tonight on MSNBC Abrams did a lenthy report on the Holloway investigation.  He had M. Croes on.  She sais PvdS was still a suspect and that the prosecutors fought very hard to detain him for longer.  She said he was a murder suspect.  


Did Ms. Croes happen to mention the emergency motion to keep PVDS in jail?  I heard last night that the prosecution was doing that immediately, but never heard any more about it.

Still a suspect, eh?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
You mean he went to the polis and said he saw them drop her off, then admitted that he had only overheard Deepak say that? I am confused.


You know what I know!  I believe Fox is probably still leaning toward the first scenario when he supposedly said he saw them drop NH off.


Title: Re: arubagirl thanks
Post by: candygirl on June 27, 2005, 07:36:07 PM
Quote from: "hardin9744"
your effort is amazing, Arubagirl!  thank you so much for being willing to help us w/first hand accounts of searches, etc.  

the photos yesterday were great,  they really helped give me a perspective on the locales we've been discussing.

your home is beautiful!    thank you again for taking time out of your real life for us.


I ditto that Arubagirl, a BIG thank-you!   :lol: Aruba is Beautiful and hope to visit in the future


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
It was reported on the news today that just because people were released doesnt mean they wont be re arrested.


Title: Re: Oh Pirates yes they rob I
Post by: LemonDrop on June 27, 2005, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: "Compananzi"
They interviewed Tom ? from Equusearch yesterday, and he almost garanteed a return of Natalee...I sure hope so but it sure rang like many of the phrases such as 'case will be solved in 24hrs', 'within 24 hrs'.. I wonder if there is a thing in Aruba of a hangup with 24 hrs...


Not to be funny but perhaps we're talking island time....   :(   This is so frustrating, I want Beth to have her resolution NOW!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy


Title: arubagirl's pics
Post by: dl3fan on June 27, 2005, 07:40:51 PM
is there a link to arubagirl's pics somewhere on the main page?  I looked but didn't see one, probably missed it though.  Saw them last night, they were great.  Want to look at something again.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Belle on June 27, 2005, 07:41:46 PM
arubagirl, thanks so much for being here with a first hand report/pictures. You and the other aruban posters and Dash and Arlee are what makes this forum credible (sp?).  Your island is beautiful and I know alot here would love to meet you if/when they visit Aruba.  You give us a truer picture of the situation that is taking place in your little corner of the world.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 07:42:08 PM
>>They interviewed Tom ? from Equusearch yesterday, and he almost garanteed a return of Natalee

Sounds psychic to me; that's a little much unless he's privy to inside data.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 07:42:08 PM
I read the link that told about how the search and rescue dogs aid finding people.  A hit means that a dog has located the scent of a human.  In order to help locate where, the dog either has to swim or be taken in a boat.  When the dog begins to signal a strong hit, the place will be marked.  Another dog may be used to verify the hit.  Also marked are areas where the dog does not react.  Now the people have to do their search.  Divers have to go down into the water and perform a search.  Sometimes the remains are hidden from view and will need to be "dragged" out.  This is where it is useful to know where not to look, so you don't drag the whole quarry.  So, basically they are reasonably sure there is a body in the water, however the recovery could take some time.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: newshound on June 27, 2005, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Was it you?

I would really like to know who on this blog you think is involved here...or are we leaving it up to LE to discover??


Jeez, Bendex:

WTF?  Are you for real about this?  Is this an attention getter?  Are you having a cocktail this afternoon?  Uhhhhhhh....why would you say something like this?  Have you notified authorities?  Tom?  Red?  Dan?  

Don't go messin' with us!

~Nancy


Hi, Nancy Drew.

I don't quite understand why posters are coming down hard on bendex for his last comment.

Isn't it pretty common knowledge that "most" criminals have a compulsion to return to the scene of the crime; and.... in this day & age of worldwide online connectiveness ---- has it not ever occured to you that MAYBE there are lurkers, if not outright posters at forums like this who are directly associated with the crime being discussed?

Isn't that just common sense?

Wouldn't the authorities long long long long long ago have a way to know everybodies' locations, as they'd presume that a forum such as this would prove irresistable to any criminals at large?

I mean, isn't that just kinda obvious....?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 07:42:26 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy

Let's use Arubagirl's place as the HQ and set up our investigation.  How many tickets should I buy?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: dl3fan on June 27, 2005, 07:44:51 PM
Quote from: "newshound"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Was it you?

I would really like to know who on this blog you think is involved here...or are we leaving it up to LE to discover??


Jeez, Bendex:

WTF?  Are you for real about this?  Is this an attention getter?  Are you having a cocktail this afternoon?  Uhhhhhhh....why would you say something like this?  Have you notified authorities?  Tom?  Red?  Dan?  

Don't go messin' with us!

~Nancy


Hi, Nancy Drew.

I don't quite understand why posters are coming down hard on bendex for his last comment.

Isn't it pretty common knowledge that "most" criminals have a compulsion to return to the scene of the crime; and.... in this day & age of worldwide online connectiveness ---- has it not ever occured to you that MAYBE there are lurkers, if not outright posters at forums like this who are directly associated with the crime being discussed?

Isn't that just common sense?

Wouldn't the authorities long long long long long ago have a way to know everybodies' locations, as they'd presume that a forum such as this would prove irresistable to any criminals at large?

I mean, isn't that just kinda obvious....?


Exactly newshound, most people would never get caught if they'd keep their mouths shut.  But the temptation to talk, often when drinking, leads to their demise.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: LemonDrop on June 27, 2005, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this


If Natalee was on roofies or otherwise drugged, there would be nary a scar.  

Duct tape also would prevent facial scars if moved later as well as MORE drugs.

Your suspicions only make me think of you, for there is no other reason to say that.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Tonight on MSNBC Abrams did a lenthy report on the Holloway investigation.  He had M. Croes on.  She sais PvdS was still a suspect and that the prosecutors fought very hard to detain him for longer.  She said he was a murder suspect.  


Did Ms. Croes happen to mention the emergency motion to keep PVDS in jail?  I heard last night that the prosecution was doing that immediately, but never heard any more about it.

Still a suspect, eh?


No, she just said that they very much wanted to keep PvdS in custody.  She said he could be arrested again if they get more facts or evidence to charge him with.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: "newshound"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "writenow"
Quote from: "bendex"
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later. And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this blog.

Was it you?

I would really like to know who on this blog you think is involved here...or are we leaving it up to LE to discover??


Jeez, Bendex:

WTF?  Are you for real about this?  Is this an attention getter?  Are you having a cocktail this afternoon?  Uhhhhhhh....why would you say something like this?  Have you notified authorities?  Tom?  Red?  Dan?  

Don't go messin' with us!

~Nancy


Hi, Nancy Drew.

I don't quite understand why posters are coming down hard on bendex for his last comment.

Isn't it pretty common knowledge that "most" criminals have a compulsion to return to the scene of the crime; and.... in this day & age of worldwide online connectiveness ---- has it not ever occured to you that MAYBE there are lurkers, if not outright posters at forums like this who are directly associated with the crime being discussed?

Isn't that just common sense?

Wouldn't the authorities long long long long long ago have a way to know everybodies' locations, as they'd presume that a forum such as this would prove irresistable to any criminals at large?

I mean, isn't that just kinda obvious....?



Uhhhhhh, nothing seems obvious in this case!!!

Hey, anything is possible!  And, yes, there are cases in recent years where EVERYONE involved in the case kept tabs online.  I don't dispute that possibility at all.  I also know there are posters who say things to shock.  I don't know Bendex well enough to judge which we're dealing with.

And, in all fairness I have not had time to go back and read all the posts from Bendex.  I got online and that post was one of the first I read.  Sorta knocked my socks off!!!!

If Bendex has more details he/she should spit them out...and make sure this info gets to the authorities.

~Nancy


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 07:48:06 PM
Arubagirl-- ditto on everyone elses appreciation of your work.  I would also like to thank you for enduring the really stupid things some americans said.  I don't think I could have handled as much crap as you did.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: "LemonDrop"
Quote from: "bendex"
I have reasons to believe he is innocent.

Main reasons
lack of facial scars on his face .
To short a timeframe 2 hours 40 min to kill and move the body.
Natalee has not been killed on the night of may 30 th but later .
And I have a suspicion that the real person involved left messages on this


If Natalee was on roofies or otherwise drugged, there would be nary a scar.  

Duct tape also would prevent facial scars if moved later as well as MORE drugs.

Your suspicions only make me think of you, for there is no other reason to say that.


PUH-lease!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 07:49:57 PM
Bendex has been claiming for a while people were offbase for judge URINE so harshly.  His post didnt shock me.  I wonder if he would let his daughter date the young lad.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: "rogers"
Arubagirl-- ditto on everyone elses appreciation of your work.  I would also like to thank you for enduring the really stupid things some americans said.  I don't think I could have handled as much crap as you did.


DITTO!!!  Kudos to Arubagirl!  Ignorance is a sad thing.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 27, 2005, 07:51:39 PM
Here's what I'm seeing:
At the Internet Cafe (don't know what day/date):  Deepak is there working, SC is there also.  DK gets a phone call from ? (should be easy to find out).  Person calling says "Repeat what I say, OK?  We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  DK says "We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  SC, in background, goes "Oh, my gosh.  This is crucial info.  I need to tell the authorities this asap".  Goes in next day (or whenever it was, I forget) to LE.  Turns out to not be true, but SC didn't know that.  He thought he was being very helpful.
Just another possibility in the sea of possibilities.  Maybe someone can fill in the dates this happened.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:51:54 PM
They just showed shots of the same dam that I went to on TV. Nothing found.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 07:52:03 PM
People are saying JVDS looks like the BTK killer . ha ha


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: "Mom in Ark"
Quote from: "rogers"
Arubagirl-- ditto on everyone elses appreciation of your work.  I would also like to thank you for enduring the really stupid things some americans said.  I don't think I could have handled as much crap as you did.


DITTO!!!  Kudos to Arubagirl!  Ignorance is a sad thing.


yes it is..and Arubagirl, you have been so generous of your time to help give us a view of the island and what there is to see..it is a beautiful place, and you ,fellow monkey, are a beautiful person for doing all you can to keep us informed!! :D


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:53:30 PM
MominArk, Rogers, I think that a lot of mean, stupid, ignorant comments were made during bad times in the U.S. as well, even worse than made here. So, if anything, I know that one can get through it by looking at the U.S. in that regard.

Not that I would mind if it would stop. :-)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 07:53:59 PM
O'Reilly is going to take us down to Aruba for the latest on the Holloway case, coming up next.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 07:55:59 PM
Judging from the description of the method used for searching.  I would think that if today was a windy day (many are there in Aruba), no further searching could take place.

Perhaps after a few hours of calm.  

Arubagirl, you might want to be open to the possibility of there being more efforts there this evening or tonight, if the winds slow down.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 07:56:01 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
MominArk, Rogers, I think that a lot of mean, stupid, ignorant comments were made during bad times in the U.S. as well, even worse than made here. So, if anything, I know that one can get through it by looking at the U.S. in that regard.

Not that I would mind if it would stop. :-)


I hope that someday I can meet you.  You have a wonderful, forgiving attitude.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: GuyWdog on June 27, 2005, 07:56:26 PM
Quote
---- Professor ---wrote---" the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Can you Please show proof that anyone on this board has EVER Said or POSTED that NATALEE had it coming ? It is posts like this that are purely inflamatory. And I also have Never SEEN where anyone has ever said Natalee is/was in a CRACK House. I can speak for myself in that I dont see any evidence in this case, but HOW can you make the JUMP from that statement to Some of us posters Callking Natalee anything but a teenager on vacation?
 I would very much appreciate you SHOW us by "QUOTING" the post that you REFERENCE to..
Much thanx, as I am sure you can easily show us your statements are true and not just FODDER....


GuyWdog


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 07:57:12 PM
I just really wish i knew for sure if this was another "rumor" or if there actually was a search today for remains in a body of water..i have waited here with bated breath, i have prayed, and I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today....i am getting so frustrated with trying to wade through what is fact and what is fiction....I am just gonna listen to arubagirl from now on....


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: "ExTexinAZ"
Here's what I'm seeing:
At the Internet Cafe (don't know what day/date):  Deepak is there working, SC is there also.  DK gets a phone call from ? (should be easy to find out).  Person calling says "Repeat what I say, OK?  We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  DK says "We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  SC, in background, goes "Oh, my gosh.  This is crucial info.  I need to tell the authorities this asap".  Goes in next day (or whenever it was, I forget) to LE.  Turns out to not be true, but SC didn't know that.  He thought he was being very helpful.
Just another possibility in the sea of possibilities.  Maybe someone can fill in the dates this happened.


Except everyone's first story was they dropped her at the HOLIDAY INN.

BENDEX, we're waiting for an answer.

Arubagirl, you're the best.

BENDEX, we're waiting for an answer.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 07:58:20 PM
Arubagirl, How many marinas are there in Aruba? Besides marinas, what other moorages are there?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 07:58:23 PM
Rogers, I implored, begged and pleaded with my friend to give me any updates as soon as possible.

MominArk
, there were times that I had to take a walk, though, before I typed something that got me banned.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: DAG on June 27, 2005, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy

Let's use Arubagirl's place as the HQ and set up our investigation.  How many tickets should I buy?


Better yet, we all take a vacation and stay with Arubagirl!!!!!!  That sounds like fun!!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 07:59:01 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
---- Professor ---wrote---" the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Can you Please show proof that anyone on this board has EVER Said or POSTED that NATALEE had it coming ? It is posts like this that are purely inflamatory. And I also have Never SEEN where anyone has ever said Natalee is/was in a CRACK House. I can speak for myself in that I dont see any evidence in this case, but HOW can you make the JUMP from that statement to Some of us posters Callking Natalee anything but a teenager on vacation?
 I would very much appreciate you SHOW us by "QUOTING" the post that you REFERENCE to..
Much thanx, as I am sure you can easily show us your statements are true and not just FODDER....


GuyWdog


I have seen several judgemental posts in reference to Natalee.  Comments were made about her clothes, drinking, and where she spent her nights prior to her dissappearance.  Sad.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: "ExTexinAZ"
Here's what I'm seeing:
At the Internet Cafe (don't know what day/date):  Deepak is there working, SC is there also.  DK gets a phone call from ? (should be easy to find out).  Person calling says "Repeat what I say, OK?  We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  DK says "We dropped that girl off at the Marriott".  SC, in background, goes "Oh, my gosh.  This is crucial info.  I need to tell the authorities this asap".  Goes in next day (or whenever it was, I forget) to LE.  Turns out to not be true, but SC didn't know that.  He thought he was being very helpful.
Just another possibility in the sea of possibilities.  Maybe someone can fill in the dates this happened.

Speaking of possibilities...any possibility this is just a horrible nightmare????


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: newshound on June 27, 2005, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Uhhhhhh, nothing seems obvious in this case!!!

Hey, anything is possible!  And, yes, there are cases in recent years where EVERYONE involved in the case kept tabs online.  I don't dispute that possibility at all.  I also know there are posters who say things to shock.  I don't know Bendex well enough to judge which we're dealing with.

And, in all fairness I have not had time to go back and read all the posts from Bendex.  I got online and that post was one of the first I read.  Sorta knocked my socks off!!!!

If Bendex has more details he/she should spit them out...and make sure this info gets to the authorities.

~Nancy


I've by no means read ALL the postings here; however, when I do peruse the Breaking News Threads, I always read posts by you and posts by bendex and a few others --- who, whether or not I agree with them, I find to be interesting for their inherent logic, seemingly based upon a familiarity with law.

Anyhoo, I'd simply taken it as a given, that IF the criminals are at large, that I presume they are at least READING these posts, if not actually actively participating.

I don't have any familiarity with law OR even with mystery books, lol -- however, several weeks ago when I hoped that NH was alive & well, I wondered if SHE was keeping tabs on the online forums; my wondering about her made me realize, when I discovered all those netpages for Joran and that Deepak worked at an internet cafe...... that MAYBE all sorts of netizens are here, not all of whom have wholesome motives in monitoring this board.

Anyway, thanks for your response.

Also, another reason that Bendex's words did not irritate me, is that I have a DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP wish for NH to be found alive & well & fine & free, and only few posters have not already "convicted" those young men.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RB on June 27, 2005, 07:59:57 PM
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mitzid66 on June 27, 2005, 07:59:59 PM
Arubagirl!  Thanks for being here.  I have gained alot from your posts.

I missed your pics.  Where can I find them?  

Thank you!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nikkibnurse on June 27, 2005, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy

Let's use Arubagirl's place as the HQ and set up our investigation.  How many tickets should I buy?


Better yet, we all take a vacation and stay with Arubagirl!!!!!!  That sounds like fun!!!



I said this once before and arubagirl said we could come stay there and have her car and credit cards...LOL


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
---- Professor ---wrote---" the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Can you Please show proof that anyone on this board has EVER Said or POSTED that NATALEE had it coming ? It is posts like this that are purely inflamatory. And I also have Never SEEN where anyone has ever said Natalee is/was in a CRACK House. I can speak for myself in that I dont see any evidence in this case, but HOW can you make the JUMP from that statement to Some of us posters Callking Natalee anything but a teenager on vacation?
 I would very much appreciate you SHOW us by "QUOTING" the post that you REFERENCE to..
Much thanx, as I am sure you can easily show us your statements are true and not just FODDER....


GuyWdog



I would like to know what a fodder is.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: da wench on June 27, 2005, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy

Let's use Arubagirl's place as the HQ and set up our investigation.  How many tickets should I buy?


Better yet, we all take a vacation and stay with Arubagirl!!!!!!  That sounds like fun!!!


You don't mind, do ya Arubagirl?  :P


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Rogers, I implored, begged and pleaded with my friend to give me any updates as soon as possible.

MominArk
, there were times that I had to take a walk, though, before I typed something that got me banned.


You have held your temper amazingly well.  I don't think I could have done it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 27, 2005, 08:00:55 PM
Writenow, you're right, it was the front of the HI that they stated at first.  It was the Marriott beach, not the hotel.  Thanks for the correction.
I'm so confused!
I guess we all are....We just want her home.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
Geraldo and Greta will be checking in with O'Reilly.  Think Geraldo can stay tight-lipped?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 08:01:21 PM
Katya, there are about a dozen.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 08:01:35 PM
I just checked current weather conditions in Aruba.  Assuming that the info is correct, I would guess that winds of 16mph would preclude any further search.

Am betting that they resume when the winds slow down.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: WonderWoman on June 27, 2005, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)




LMAO!!  Nice one   :P


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: skellman on June 27, 2005, 08:02:18 PM
There is no need to worry about anybody on this site being the perp. the young man who drives underage drinks underage and thinks he is absolutley above the law is the one they have in custody! The friendly judge who let dad out hopefully won't be the trail judge. golfing, gambling or fishing buddies?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 08:02:27 PM
da wench, all are welcome, if you don't mind sleeping in sleeping bags.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: "RB"
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)


OMG you know everbodies click count  :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 08:03:35 PM
MominArk, case in point: skellman's post


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 27, 2005, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "RB"
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)


OMG you know everbodies click count  :oops:


I hope not. :oops:  :oops:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:04:06 PM
Geraldo: Holloway and Twitty family distraught over PvdS release.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 08:04:13 PM
Writenow,

Is there an updated timeline?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RB on June 27, 2005, 08:04:18 PM
Anyhoo, I'd simply taken it as a given, that IF the criminals are at large, that I presume they are at least READING these posts, if not actually actively participating.

I think that's possible.  For example, there was some speculation on the Wichita Eagle board early on that BTK posted or communicated on Tom Voight's site, catchbtk.com. I do not know if that's true or not, but most profilers I've read say that once a serial killer gets his the name in the paper, tv etc, they have a tendency to keep up with the notariety.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Mom in Ark on June 27, 2005, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo and Greta will be checking in with O'Reilly.  Think Geraldo can stay tight-lipped?


Only if somebody breaks his jaw and they wire his mouth shut.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: "newshound"

Also, another reason that Bendex's words did not irritate me, is that I have a DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP wish for NH to be found alive & well & fine & free, and only few posters have not already "convicted" those young men.

Thank you for putting this so nicely.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Quote from: "DAG"
Quote from: "da wench"
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Arubagirl:

You rock!!!  I adore your pictures and your work on this case is outstanding!!!
It's alot of work for you....and given the language differences and cultural differences...it's a truly amazing job!!!

~Nancy

Let's use Arubagirl's place as the HQ and set up our investigation.  How many tickets should I buy?


Better yet, we all take a vacation and stay with Arubagirl!!!!!!  That sounds like fun!!!



I said this once before and arubagirl said we could come stay there and have her car and credit cards...LOL


Actually, after this AG will need a vacation. I've got a spare room in Puerto Vallarta, she'd be welcome.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: AzRose on June 27, 2005, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: "RB"
Anyhoo, I'd simply taken it as a given, that IF the criminals are at large, that I presume they are at least READING these posts, if not actually actively participating.

I think that's possible.  For example, there was some speculation on the Wichita Eagle board early on that BTK posted or communicated on Tom Voight's site, catchbtk.com. I do not know if that's true or not, but most profilers I've read say that once a serial killer gets his the name in the paper, tv etc, they have a tendency to keep up with the notariety.


 I believe he had also been communicating on the America"s Most Wanted" site, as well.  He had various different SN's.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: RB on June 27, 2005, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "RB"
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)

OMG you know everbodies click count  :oops:

I hope not. :oops:  :oops:


:# <---this is me zippin' my lips :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: newshound on June 27, 2005, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
Quote from: "RB"
I have checked the news and posts at least 300 thousand times today
nikki, we know ;)




LMAO!!  Nice one   :P


rofl :)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: skellman on June 27, 2005, 08:07:52 PM
Somebody had an Geraldo picture posted with a hat. I didn't no they made hats that large. :lol:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sb on June 27, 2005, 08:07:53 PM
I believe it would be an easy thing for the site administrators to find out the actual location of the posters. They would know who actually posts from Aruba. I don't think that is a large number of people, and most of them are known to all of us anyway.

One thing is for sure, if a perpetrator or any of their cronies HAS posted on here, they are taking steps to hide themselves and it wouldn't be someone you would expect right away.

I am more worried about LURKERS than actual posters. ANYONE in the world with an Internet connection can read everything we are all saying.

"Loose Lips Sink Ships".


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: writenow on June 27, 2005, 08:08:38 PM
Quote from: "absolut"
Writenow,
Is there an updated timeline?


I added a few things yesterday from some comments people had made but I wanted to check them out first. Will PM you with updated within about a half hour.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:08:45 PM
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 08:09:28 PM
writenow, thanks.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Dallas Also on June 27, 2005, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Gajijn, that was my understanding, yes.


OK, well..me...I take THAT as more reliable...coming from you...and assume instead we had another media whillwind of false rumors..


I agree that arubagirl knows her stuff.  But also we had live reports from Aruba radio.  I would say, go take a look at photos and the story posted at riehlworldview.com.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:11:39 PM
O'Reilly:  If the Aruban authorities won't let the 200 Dutch marines search for Natalee, doesn't that indicate they don't want her to be found?

Geraldo:  Amen


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inspector_detector on June 27, 2005, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
---- Professor ---wrote---" the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Can you Please show proof that anyone on this board has EVER Said or POSTED that NATALEE had it coming ? It is posts like this that are purely inflamatory. And I also have Never SEEN where anyone has ever said Natalee is/was in a CRACK House. I can speak for myself in that I dont see any evidence in this case, but HOW can you make the JUMP from that statement to Some of us posters Callking Natalee anything but a teenager on vacation?
 I would very much appreciate you SHOW us by "QUOTING" the post that you REFERENCE to..
Much thanx, as I am sure you can easily show us your statements are true and not just FODDER....


GuyWdog


The crack house statement actually came from Deepak in prison. Something like "I expected they would find her at some crack house by now" . There was also a rumor that a girl fitting Natalee's description was seen asking for directions to what was described as a crack house.

I wish everyone would stop trying to turn this into a Natalee vs. Joran battle. Just because the MB teens and Beth Twitty don't like Joran, doesn't mean he's guilty of murder. :roll:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 08:12:20 PM
3 pages til the lock, then on to RBN #30 so if you are reading behind us there is a brickwall coming.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:13:05 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I just really wish i knew for sure if this was another "rumor" or if there actually was a search today for remains in a body of water..


In between waiting for Fox news and this forum, I hopped over to the TA forum.  Someone there posted coordinates for 2 search areas.  He/she said one search was the TX group, and one was Red Cross volunteers????  (Maybe that was a ground search, now that I think about it.)

But the searching continues, so hold on, Nikki...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


OK, so that debunks that. I arrived late to Geraldo. He appears to be calling for some sort of invasion of Aruba, confirming my suspicions that he is a poster on the Riehl World board.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:13:27 PM
Deepak's email also mentioned a crackhouse.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: inspector_detector on June 27, 2005, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


As usual, I don't think Geraldo has his facts straight... :?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 27, 2005, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


There went my theory!!  I heard that, too.  Why would he do that?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 08:14:55 PM
Quote from: "~TAZ_MAN~"
Quote from: "GuyWdog"
Quote
---- Professor ---wrote---" the posters on this forum who cannot accept the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's classmates, and who must continue to paint her as a girl out of control who is merely taking an extended holiday in some Aruban crack house, or who "had it coming."


Can you Please show proof that anyone on this board has EVER Said or POSTED that NATALEE had it coming ? It is posts like this that are purely inflamatory. And I also have Never SEEN where anyone has ever said Natalee is/was in a CRACK House. I can speak for myself in that I dont see any evidence in this case, but HOW can you make the JUMP from that statement to Some of us posters Callking Natalee anything but a teenager on vacation?
 I would very much appreciate you SHOW us by "QUOTING" the post that you REFERENCE to..
Much thanx, as I am sure you can easily show us your statements are true and not just FODDER....


GuyWdog



I would like to know what a fodder is.


FODDER is a great word!  One of my faves....

FODDER:

   3.  A consumable, often inferior item or resource that is in demand and usually abundant supply: romantic novels intended as fodder for the pulp fiction market.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: "Ting
OK, so that debunks that. I arrived late to Geraldo. He appears to be calling for some sort of invasion of Aruba, confirming my suspicions that he is a poster on the Riehl World board.


Geraldo stated that there are 200 Dutch marines over there - a well-trained force apparently, and the Aruban government will not let them aid or participate in any search for Natalee.

That's what I got out of it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: boxopen on June 27, 2005, 08:15:54 PM
Quote from: "sb"
I am more worried about LURKERS than actual posters. ANYONE in the world with an Internet connection can read everything we are all saying.
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  ............. AND  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:
Should I request your "permission" to read this... since I'm 5000 miles away?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: kuaitzu on June 27, 2005, 08:16:46 PM
Has the thought crossed anybody elses mind...that maybe the quarry was a diversion? Maybe some of Eqqusearch was searching someplace else..an used the "canine hit" at the quarry to lure the press away from the true search area??? Just thinking out loud!!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 08:16:55 PM
Okay:

Lesson:

The NETHERLANDS, NOT ARUBA is in CHARGE of DEFENSE.

Can y'all GUESS who would be in charge of the MARINES then?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 08:17:07 PM
FYI:I was watching CNN--they said they will be talking to BHT about the search and suspects- coming up next


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: newshound on June 27, 2005, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.
Geraldo likes to hear himself talk.  I never trust ANYTHING he says. Maybe it's accurate, but it's 50/50 he's just blowing hot air. He has an inner compulsion to be oversensationalistic. He can't help it....

I watched him the other day huffin' and puffin' that THEY'VE RELEASED EVERYBODY, EVERYONE BEEN RELEASED!!!!!

It was all nonsense.

Maybe Geraldo is Murdock's "token" liberal - just the other day, I heard GR state that he adored Bill Clinton.

I'll be glad when GVS is back on duty tonight.  It's been a LONG weekend...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arubagirl on June 27, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
About Red Cross, I believe that they were in the group where the dad was in. At least, that's what they were told when they were called for volunteering.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Ting on June 27, 2005, 08:19:17 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"

Geraldo stated that there are 200 Dutch marines over there - a well-trained force apparently, and the Aruban government will not let them aid or participate in any search for Natalee.

That's what I got out of it.


I am confident that if US authorities want Dutch marines deployed in Aruba, it will be done.

In other news, there are unconfirmed reports that Geraldo's hair is preparing to declare statehood.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 08:19:26 PM
Quote from: "newshound"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.
Geraldo likes to hear himself talk.  I never trust ANYTHING he says. Maybe it's accurate, but it's 50/50 he's just blowing hot air. He has an inner compulsion to be oversensationalistic. He can't help it....

I watched him the other day huffin' and puffin' that THEY'VE RELEASED EVERYBODY, EVERYONE BEEN RELEASED!!!!!

It was all nonsense.

Maybe Geraldo is Murdock's "token" liberal - just the other day, I heard GR state that he adored Bill Clinton.

I'll be glad when GVS is back on duty tonight.  It's been a LONG weekend...


Newshound:

I don't want to use up bandwidth to respond to your last post about Bendex...but, it was a great post...very thoughtful and honest. Thanks for sharing.

~Nancy


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Lausa on June 27, 2005, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"

FODDER is a great word!  One of my faves....
FODDER:
   3.  A consumable, often inferior item or resource that is in demand and usually abundant supply: romantic novels intended as fodder for the pulp fiction market.


or as in "fodder for the mill," which I've always taken to mean more info for the gossip or rumor market, coloquially speaking around these parts


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: WonderWoman on June 27, 2005, 08:20:08 PM
I need to say this, just to get it off my mind.

With "rumors" of ransom and insurance policies, and given Jug's behavior at times, I have felt this:

If you thought or KNEW that something/someone you were involved with may have had anything to do with your step-daughter's disappearance, wouldn't you try to find/lead the pack toward any other possible scenario, other than the one that  includes you.

I would most likely want to keep her mother from EVER thinking such a thing, and keep her busy in a completely other direction. Meanwhile, I may be exploring the other options on my own.

Someone posted:

Why would he allow Natalee to go to Aruba after he said himself how awful a place it was accoring to his son.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: pinemeadows on June 27, 2005, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
FYI:I was watching CNN--they said they will be talking to BHT about the search and suspects- coming up next


If you don't mind, can you post anything new from Beth?  On another board, they were saying that BHT stated today she "knew for a fact that Natalee was in the VDS home at 3:10 a.m. that morning.  The poster did not say where he/she heard or read this.  I wonder if Beth will say anything?

Thanks!  Appreciate it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: m.a. johnson on June 27, 2005, 08:21:48 PM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
Has the thought crossed anybody elses mind...that maybe the quarry was a diversion? Maybe some of Eqqusearch was searching someplace else..an used the "canine hit" at the quarry to lure the press away from the true search area??? Just thinking out loud!!


That's a good point, something that could be employed but in this case I don't believe it was a diversion.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: bob_in_MD on June 27, 2005, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: "newshound"

Maybe Geraldo is Murdock's "token" liberal - just the other day, I heard GR state that he adored Bill Clinton.

I'll be glad when GVS is back on duty tonight.  It's been a LONG weekend...


You shouldn't insult liberals like that.  No man, Geraldo belongs to Fox and thus is a symbol of conservative news reporting.

 :wink:


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 08:24:58 PM
I've been thinking today about Steve Croes and his connection to this case.  I've been telling myself that Depak and Satish are innocent and really don't know much about what really happened to Natalee.  HOWEVER, today I was driving home thinking it's believable for the brothers to lie and cover for Joran, once.  BUT, WHY WOULD THEY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY AND ASK STEVE TO COVER FOR THEM ALL?  Makes me think the brothers are more involved.  AND, I hate to think that!!

OFF TOPIC::::

I don't remember the last time I turned off the TV due to a news report that deeply pained me....BUT, THIS "BTK KILLER" IS A FREAK...I had to turn the TV off....

What psychological profile do you give that creep?!?!


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: "Ting"
Quote from: "arrabba"
Geraldo:  S, Croes himself volunteered, went to the police station himself and told cops he saw the Kalpoes and Joran drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


OK, so that debunks that. I arrived late to Geraldo. He appears to be calling for some sort of invasion of Aruba, confirming my suspicions that he is a poster on the Riehl World board.


If we invade Aruba, we will issue more last names, as well as insisting that all polis will be retrained in PPP at the LAPD academy.


Sorry OT, but has anyone here ever seen The Mouse that Roared?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mitzid66 on June 27, 2005, 08:25:55 PM
NG is going to interview the head of Eqquisearch in a moment.  Talking to Carl Penhall and Jug and BHT now.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:26:34 PM
On Nancy Grace:  BHT:  I was devastated (by PvdS release)


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: jac723 on June 27, 2005, 08:27:20 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "jac723"
FYI:I was watching CNN--they said they will be talking to BHT about the search and suspects- coming up next


If you don't mind, can you post anything new from Beth?  On another board, they were saying that BHT stated today she "knew for a fact that Natalee was in the VDS home at 3:10 a.m. that morning.  The poster did not say where he/she heard or read this.  I wonder if Beth will say anything?

Thanks!  Appreciate it.


No prob--I will--as long as they hurry with this story---they said-up next and there has been nothing yet...


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 27, 2005, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: "mitzid66"
NG is going to interview the head of Eqquisearch in a moment.  Talking to Carl Penhall and Jug and BHT now.


Is this CNN?  I don't see them :?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mitzid66 on June 27, 2005, 08:29:10 PM
Tila, its on the Nancy Grace show.  Commercial right now.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: "kuaitzu"
Has the thought crossed anybody elses mind...that maybe the quarry was a diversion? Maybe some of Eqqusearch was searching someplace else..an used the "canine hit" at the quarry to lure the press away from the true search area??? Just thinking out loud!!


Good thought.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ~TAZ_MAN~ on June 27, 2005, 08:31:22 PM
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
I've been thinking today about Steve Croes and his connection to this case.  I've been telling myself that Depak and Satish are innocent and really don't know much about what really happened to Natalee.  HOWEVER, today I was driving home thinking it's believable for the brothers to lie and cover for Joran, once.  BUT, WHY WOULD THEY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY AND ASK STEVE TO COVER FOR THEM ALL?  Makes me think the brothers are more involved.  AND, I hate to think that!!

OFF TOPIC::::

I don't remember the last time I turned off the TV due to a news report that deeply pained me....BUT, THIS "BTK KILLER" IS A FREAK...I had to turn the TV off....

What psychological profile do you give that creep?!?!


Psychologically the thrill-motivated killer tends to be a sociopath, someone with a disorder of character rather than the mind. He lacks a conscience, feels no remorse, and cares exclusively for his own pleasures in life…It has been estimated that 3% of all males in our society could be considered sociopathic


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: skellman on June 27, 2005, 08:31:34 PM
The greatest cocept in the universe is truth. I think that all anybody wants in this case. From the reporters the government and the defendants even the ones released by there buddies.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: "Tila_Bean"
Quote from: "mitzid66"
NG is going to interview the head of Eqquisearch in a moment.  Talking to Carl Penhall and Jug and BHT now.



CNN headline news


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Okay:

Lesson:

The NETHERLANDS, NOT ARUBA is in CHARGE of DEFENSE.

Can y'all GUESS who would be in charge of the MARINES then?


Good fact and I read that before but forgot.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Tila_Bean on June 27, 2005, 08:32:32 PM
Thanks Mitz.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: Kipster on June 27, 2005, 08:33:51 PM
>>Has the thought crossed anybody elses mind...that maybe the quarry was a diversion?

I'm not giving the powers-that-be that much credit anymore. Plus I don't think ES would play that game. "Don't Mess With Texas"


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: ExTexinAZ on June 27, 2005, 08:33:56 PM
Revised Internet Cafe conversation:
DK: Hey, SC, here's $100 (or whatever the currency is) to go to LE and tell them you saw me and S drop that girl off at the Holiday Inn.
Money talks?


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mitzid66 on June 27, 2005, 08:34:25 PM
Jug asked on Dutch TV that they send more help.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: north-of-north on June 27, 2005, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: "jac723"
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "jac723"
FYI:I was watching CNN--they said they will be talking to BHT about the search and suspects- coming up next


If you don't mind, can you post anything new from Beth?  On another board, they were saying that BHT stated today she "knew for a fact that Natalee was in the VDS home at 3:10 a.m. that morning.  The poster did not say where he/she heard or read this.  I wonder if Beth will say anything?

Thanks!  Appreciate it.


No prob--I will--as long as they hurry with this story---they said-up next and there has been nothing yet...


How do you think Beth could KNOW this? I have seen were she has said this before...
Do you think she could have had a phone call from Natalee from the VDS's home???


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: sb on June 27, 2005, 08:35:14 PM
I am not watching CNN. What kind of spirits does Beth appear to be in tonight? (Up, down, empty, tired...?)

I don't think they would be visible if they had any bad news delivered, or possibly on the way. Sounds like they are making the rounds of the news media just like always. I think that's a good sign.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:35:42 PM
On Nancy Grace:  Natalee's stepfather said on the first night they went to the house that Joran and Deepak were there.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: mitzid66 on June 27, 2005, 08:36:04 PM
sb, BHT is very frustrated, and angry as I see it.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:37:49 PM
On Nancy Grace:  A lawyer said that Natalee is deserving of American rights and at some point the american government should step in.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: "katya"
Quote from: "arubagirl"
Okay:

Lesson:

The NETHERLANDS, NOT ARUBA is in CHARGE of DEFENSE.

Can y'all GUESS who would be in charge of the MARINES then?


Good fact and I read that before but forgot.


Would the Dutch gov't be petty about this? I've read a few places that the NL would be glad to get rid of the islands..I guess it must be getting pretty tense there with all the media attention, elections coming up (12 parties!!!), murder investigations. Hmmm


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: rogers on June 27, 2005, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: "pinemeadows"
Quote from: "jac723"
FYI:I was watching CNN--they said they will be talking to BHT about the search and suspects- coming up next


If you don't mind, can you post anything new from Beth?  On another board, they were saying that BHT stated today she "knew for a fact that Natalee was in the VDS home at 3:10 a.m. that morning.  The poster did not say where he/she heard or read this.  I wonder if Beth will say anything?

Thanks!  Appreciate it.

When Greta interviewed Beth, Fox used this "fact" as a tease for the evenings show.  They never showed the tape where this info was presented.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: nancy_drew on June 27, 2005, 08:39:20 PM
Hit, on lake near house.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: katya on June 27, 2005, 08:39:35 PM
Quote from: "arrabba"
On Nancy Grace:  A lawyer said that Natalee is deserving of American rights and at some point the american government should step in.


Ridiculous


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: absolut on June 27, 2005, 08:39:40 PM
Please use RBN#30

This thread is locked.


Title: RBN #29 6/27/05 Monday
Post by: arrabba on June 27, 2005, 08:39:40 PM
Equissearch guy on Nancy Grace:

Dogs got somewhat of an indication there may be something there.  

(lake near vsS home)