Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

THANKS RB :lol:
WELCOME 2 the ZOO MONKEYS!!!!

Quick question...why do I have to log in again when I go to post my first message?  I log in....browse..then go to post and I have to log in again..after that I am good to go.

Can't wait for Greta's show tonight. Nancy Grace had a report from Karl Penhaul from Aruba. Nothing really new...just waiting for Greta.

Joy

Not sure, we'll look into and PM you.

I wonder if there's going to be a Greta Van Susteren Van Der Straaten after this. what a name

haven't been able to keep up since the "hit" at the quarry yesterday, anything pan out from that?

Pink, don't think Mrs. van der Straaten would appreciate that :)

"Waarom hij dan een meisje alleen op het strand heeft achtergelaten, weten de ouders niet. ,,Ik zou heel graag met hem over de zaak willen praten, maar dat mogen wij niet'', zegt Anita. ,,Maar een ding weet ik wel zeker: dat daar volwassenen bij zijn geweest.''

"Why [Joran] left a girl alone on the beach, the parents don't. "I am very earger to talk to him about the case, but we're not allowed", says Anita. "But one thing I am sure off: that there were adults present there.".

this statement about adults being present is ambiguous.  is he refering to satish and deepak or other adults?  daar volwassenen bij zijn gewest could mean adutls were with them ...

Yes, it is an accurate memory LOL.  I remember it too.  But wasn't that days ago?  Why no update on this?  (Like I said - POOF!)  

Surely this could be substantiated with Immigration data, Aruban and U.S. (or whatever country issued his passport) so Greta must have had this checked out before reporting it.  Now any other Fox reporters, I don't know...

Is Van der Straaten Joran's  "godfather"?

I don't know whether Van der Straaten is Joran's godfather or not, but on Dutch television Paul said that he knows Van der Straaten very well.
Paul has worked for the Aruban DA (I'm not sure what he meant with "propedeur-generaal") for more than 8 years.

But is this info relevant? I think the police are doing their best. if they really wanted to protect the VDS family, they wouldn't have arrested Joran and Paul? I think Van der Straaten and his team are very professional.

:::picking myself up after the jump over the thread wall:::

arubagirl, THAT INFO COULD STILL BE IMPORTANT! It helps establish that they could HAVE dropped Joran and Natalee off at the Marriott area at about 2 AM and headed home. ANYTHING that helps tie down movements of the suspects is BIG!

I e-mailed my cousin. She's a cop. I trust her to get this to the right authorities.

Absolut-

We'll see what happens w/ Greta....I feel like it is news to me at least...Mickey couln't believe what he will say tonight w/Greta us news/bombshell at all...

K now.....back to my padded monkey celll..

Wondering too.

:::picking myself up after the jump over the thread wall:::

sb, you need a rope next time so you can climb on over yonder quicker? ;)

Called friend. Friend isn't answering. Damn it.

Well...THAT was certainly well written.

It is only a bombshell in the MSM from the standpoint that only rumor had the 4 of them PVDS, JVDS and the brothers discussing the cover up story. You couple it with the email and go on TV then BOMBSHELL. But how to confirm?

Arubagirl - was it windy today?  Yesterday I heard that the wind was hampering the search efforts w/dogs.  Could that be why we haven't heard anything from those today?

I am too - especially since Mr. Miller said even if they did find something, they wouldn't let everyone know about it.  And today I understand they didn't go back because they had communication problems because of cell phones????

He looked exhausted yesterday, and I noticed he choked up whenever he talked about Beth & Natalee.

I hope Aruba comes clean with any corruption or other links.  B/c already feeling pressure from media and although technically ruled by Netherlands- Netherlands may leave Aruba "out to dry" and take stance of Aruba operating in a rogue manner.  16 million people in Europe vs. 70 thousands on tiny island in the Caribbean.  Why would parent country want to get involved and jeopardize their reputation- right now- can wash their hands of Aruba and plead ignorance- really up to people of Aruba to bring the truth out.  Call anonymous FBI tipline from payphone or cheap cellphone.  A lot at stake.
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
Arubagirl- call FBI.

Nope. But here's Mr. Ruben Trachtenberg (sp) at the same site -- assmotion, the rave party site....

http://www.assmotion.com/photos%20arubadag%20after%20party/index2.html

first picture on left.

Arubagirl, do you ever go to afterparties, and is it common to see the bigwigs there?

NL. for some reason i do not get the v/d sloot interview on nova, only the twittys who did a good job.  i am glad the did dutch tv.  they know how to play the media.  procureur generaal= attorney generaal  (top prosecutor)

They said they needed to see if this area (I think it's the same spot) was safe for divers?  And, that they were sending divers in today.

I read on the site about 30,000 post ago that Ruben was a DJ? He can go RAVE if he wants to.

in regards to that...does anyone know what the story is in regards to the "hit" that was made ysterday afternoon with the dogs? seemed to me that it died down and was considered to be a false report but someone was telling me here this afternoon that it was a confirmed hit. If thats the case does anyone know what the result was of it if it was revealed?

mr pink:  the cute girl not shown in your picture is a spokesperson for the prosecutor's office.  greta gave the impresion last night that she is the big cheese.  she is not.  the big cheese hides behind this sweet young thing who does a good job of not letting go of one single piece of substantive information about the case while explaining clearly how the process works.  You can learn a lot listening to what she does not say.

You can watch the interview online.
www.novatv.nl

Go to "DI 28" and "complete uitzending"

gaijin





pinemeadows wrote:
Sobelle wrote:
wvlady wrote:
haven't been able to keep up since the "hit" at the quarry yesterday, anything pan out from that?


Wondering too.


I am too - especially since Mr. Miller said even if they did find something, they wouldn't let everyone know about it. And today I understand they didn't go back because they had communication problems because of cell phones????

He looked exhausted yesterday, and I noticed he choked up whenever he talked about Beth & Natalee.


They said they needed to see if this area (I think it's the same spot) was safe for divers? And, that they were sending divers in today.

Arubagirl,
I know it is a huge resposibility having the info of someone seeing the brother's car at night. 1.)Please be careful and 2.)please don't let this info get kicked to the curb.  It seems that this info is what the prosecution needs.  It is info that can dis-prove the 3's timeline/stories.

Simian said there will be a wrinkle and that 1 witness is not a witness.

I've been reading way more than I post.  I'm really slow at typing my thoughts. This is really important info that your friend has. I hope there are more witness.

I've been reading SM since June 13 and Rielh world since June 7.

PS while I'm posting, Congrats to DJ Taylor on the baby.

I dont know how to prove.. but if holiday inn was first lie...so dady was in it from the get go.  The Marriot(lie) may well have been boys trying to tell truth??  What is the something bad that happened to Natalee???

Two questions:

1. Do we know if van Straaten is Joran's godfather?

2. Anybody know what time the texas hold 'em tournament was at the Holiday Inn that Sunday before Natalee disappeared? 4-8:30 pm? 5-8:30 pm? 5-8 pm?

yep, sorry...half a dozen questions about the saame subject in one 15 sec interval....guess I just dont type (or refresh) fast enuf.....sorry for the redundancy...

I don't know if I'd use the word hit.  The guy from TX on gretta last night said the dogs showed some interest in a lake, but that they hadn't searched the entire lake.  They had all day to search, and if they had found something we probably would have heard.

E-mailed my cousin, a cop. That's what I think was the first step. I'm going to talk to my friend, ask if the friend is willing to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE talk to someone.

The big cheese is the cute girl's mother.

it's all cool, i think everyone does atleast once :)

I don't know either..........there seems to be many tidbits of info reported, but then nothing more is reported on it - is that to say it turned out to be a no-good report to begin with or nothing more can be reported on it. The only information that is valid to the case, can not be reported due to letigation, so all this assuming and theories is only that "theories".  What if the three suspects are let go, will the information that the LE has, ever be brought out into the public. I don't know, but my head is swimming with "what if's" and with each turn of event more arise.

Nobody said he can't, absolut. ;)  Also, it looks like the DJ at that event is Steve Croes, only heavier.  It really is one happy island, yes?

I'd like to say again, it's important IMO that Arubagirl encourage the eye witnesses to come forward to authorities.  If they won't then that has to be the end of it...BECAUSE, no one will do anything with this hearing it from someone else!  Sure, Arubagirl could tell them..but, big deal...if the actual people saying this aren't willing to talk and confirm this and give detectives details...it's not worth sticking your neck out for.

arubagirl,

Do you know if the texas hold 'em tourney at the Holiday Inn is every Sunday? If so, and if you have time, do you think you could maybe call the hotel and ask them what time it usually runs on Sundays? If it's a problem, don't worry about it. But if Joran was there, then I don't think he was ever at the concert and I've found some other stuff that indicates Natalee probably wasn't there either or if she was, she wasn't there long.

Just a quick question...if this has been covered before, please forgive, I have been out of the loop for a few days and haven't been "plugged in".

Considering ArubaGirls' hesitancy (and we know she is squeaky clean and of good character) to come forth with whatever she may or may not have heard to help in this case, don't you think there could be other witnesses out there who are deathly afraid to come forward if they have seen something, particularly if they have something to hide in their personal lives (not connected to NH) and they don't want to be put under the microscope?  

Just a question--I think the law's propencity down there to arrest first and ask questions later may have many potential links or missing pieces afraid to offer assistance, even if tenuous.

Glad to be back!!!

I respectfully restate my position that:

1. NH is alive.
2. She is not on or near Aruba.

And no, I can’t prove

Sharon, aww, thanks for vouching for me.

The reason why I don't want to step to the cops and say this is 1) I did not actually saw it, so I can't in reality say this happened or not. 2) I don't want to waste anyone's time on something that might not pan out 3) I don't want to Holloways / Twittys to deal with more false info than they've had to endure already.

If I had seen this, I would have gone to the cops, the families, FBI, ATF, DEA, CIA, NSC, NSA, NRO, etc. But I didn't.

If people are afraid? I think a few are, yes.

I think you are doing the right thing!! My hats off to you!!
I hope your friend is willing!

Noted.  Now what do we do? :)

FOM...passed your news on Mickey far and wide. Can't wait for Greta to come on!  :)

Sharonywr and Nancy Drew,
I agree with you it can be scary to be a witness, and I don't want anyone (else) in danger, but that kind of info may the only thing that breaks this case.  Arubagirl you can hide out here at my place.

THANX WIZ!
We hope so too.

Prove What.  HI lie or something bad happended?

Maybe your friend could go to a lawyer first.

wwizard, I'm going to state that I don't think Natalee is buried on Aruba.
And no, I can't prove it either.  It's just that there are 70,000 nosy people on this island. And none of them found anything? Geez.

YOU SCARE ME SOMETIMES WITH YOUR POWERS!!!

take the dogs to Venezuela.

MominArk, that's a very good point.

::Slaps her own forehead::

But, Arubagirl is NOT the witness, she heard something from a possible witness.  If I were her, I would be spending my time encouraging those who saw this to come forward to tell their story.

Funny...I hear that a lot.  :twisted:

Yikes, how did you ever find out anything about the concert?  Another poster here claims that EVERYTHING is contingent upon the beach & the concert, but he wasn't able to find out anything online about the concert.

You do good sleuthing!

tough call, she could be in any of at least 50 countries.

People. I'm going to talk to my friend. More I cannot do.

I think I read on Dan's site that he doubts that there was a boat involved because of the radar. See, the problem that I have with that theory is that illegals manage to get over here by boat all.the.damn.time. And nary a peep on the radar screen. So how come that a boat from Aruba to Venezuela would be inmediately picked up on radar? I don't get that.

How to prove, other than hearsay, that PVDS was in on HI lie from day one and therefor IMAO must know what happened to her to facilitate the creatio n of a big lie to begin with.

Maybe now he would rather let Joran hang on his own...or, who knows Joran could get off if the next judge isd his godmother, right???

you're right, she isnt buried on Aruba

NO SHIT GUYS!

Arubagirl, you amaze me sometimes!  :D

Good question!

1. I'm thinking so too.
2. Maybe/maybe not.

Agreed, can't prove.

FOM, thanks for the heads up, now I will have force myself to stay awake to see your friend.  :shock: Does he know how badly most people feel for him and Abraham having been fingered to have hurt Natalee? Is he angry? He strikes me from the little I have seen from him on TV to be a kind of jolly happy kind of guy, so I bet he forgives being wronged easier than some. If it were me, I would be so furious at these 3 for accusing me of something I had nothing to do with. :D

I don't think she's on Aruba, period.

Say, does anybody here know if the ONLINE FBI TIPLINE is anonymous?
Anybody have a link to the FBI Tip Line?

off topic, but seriously, how do you people DO THAT? I mean, I read a post, I refresh and theres a half dozen responses up alrready....!!!
Is there someway that this thing is supposed to automatically update and be live? like an IM?? am I doing something wrong?? I mean....comon..

..its frustrating for the commoners...(computer illiterate)...at least it is for me..


back to Natalee....

That's a good point WRT to the illegals.  Both Puerto Rico and St Thomas, for example, have island radar yet that didn't keep the immigrants out of those islands by boat, either.  While boats get picked up occasionally, they also can be "lost" on radar in more than a couple foot swells, so it's not always clear on the radar what is really there.

arubagirl,

Does that mean you don't think she's alive there either because of that? Because someone would have slipped and said something by now?

https://tips.fbi.gov/

Does anyone watching fox right now know where that music is coming from? Where are they broadcasting from?


appreciate the help in advance :)

Jug Twitty on Fox now.. talking about PVDS. saying he still thinks he knows something...  and how Beth had alot of guts to go to the VDS home.. he wasnt there.

He's praising God to be free...I'll let him know again how many people care.  He is unemployed now but is really still re-adjusting I guess...he knows i get info here and thinks it's funny that I can tell him what is going on in Aruba before he does... He may call tonight again.  He was not shocked about jorans godfather info that is news to us today... We'll see.

arubagirl... I read your post stating that beach patrol are COPS. Do you remember when I tried to engage you about the possiblity of  cops being on the take?  How 'bout some cops find NH dazed and confused (or not) on the beach, offer to give her a lift home and she is never seen again.

here's a picture from the concert....I don't see her...maybe some computer expert with picture expertise might see something here or maybe the dedicated posters might see a suspicious face here.  I zoomed it but then the picture gets fuzzy. I know there are programs out there to fix that.


http://www.arubatoday.com/calendar/pdfs/tuesday31-05-2005.pdf

I'm old ...IMAO  stands for ..... ?   Yes PVDS may not be in on the HI lie (depends on brothers story to Micky Johns).

Have not heard much on why JVDS lied besides "panick" that night..

The boats may very well be picked up by the radar but ignored because there are just too many of them, or LE just doesn't want to bother with them.  Same thing happens daily here in the US on the southern boarder.  

You only want to stop the ones you know will result in something valuable.

hmmmmmmm Jug saying he wishes they could use polygraph tests and truth serum  (BUT he called it someting different)  he does NOT know if any polygraph tests have been administerd.

Greta said that deepak said PAul van der Sloot knows something......

Why dont they know polygraphs have already been done??  I mean if it is on Dan's site - aren't there also the same rumors on Arbua??

Mr. Miller said this morning he did not think the quarry hit had yet been "cleared" that was his wording.

They have to public say things like that.  But things definitely slip into Texas from Mexico, so there is no ironclad safety net that detects everything.

Gee, we had people floating over into Florida in a taxicab on the ocean!  I guess maybe they were detected by radar, but they sure made it along way in before they were discovered.

O'reilly will be talking to Greta---sounds pretty interesting-said tons of news to report:

She spoke to SC
News about Deepak and Satish
Speaking to BHT and Jug

sodium something :?:

Because there just didn't seem either one had enough time to go to the concert. Check the timeline.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=357&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I remember someone talking about the texas hold em because they said Joran was there and so were some MB kids. It went for hours and Joran came in fourth. He was signed in for the tournament. That's how Beth Twitty found his name. And the rest is history.

I agree.  The same thing happens to me.  And then I am not sure whether to reply to people because it will probably end up three pages away and not make sense when it finally does.

Does that make sense?

arubagirl- i sent you a pm..just wanted to point something out to you..something you are prob already aware of...if so ....i apologize :lol:

Does the Aruban LE have something called an "Amnesty Witness" type program or can they enact one for anyone who can come forth with knowledge or an eye witness account that isn't implicative (is that a term?) for that person?

Thanks...maybe we need to ask the Aruban authorities to post notices to that effect???

Yes....and we need to know what that something is too so spill the beans there Paul.  Come on...you owe it the the family.

I would love it if he could be persuaded to come here and join us in our speculations and pontifications!

good point "heartache", remember BTK?  He was LE and he got away with plenty for over 25yrs.   Any shifty lookin cops?

Sodium penathal? (don't know if that's spelled right)

Sodium pentathol. Supposed truth serum,  conflicting opinions as to whether it works or not.  He's now talking voice analysis testing machine.  None of these things are allowed in Dutch law, are they?

Yes.. sodium pentathol..  (excuse my spelling if its wrong)

Please call the FBI tip line at 1-877-628-2533 if you have any pertinent information.

Sodium Panthenol (sp?)

Wasnt he like a dog catcher or something like that?

Interesting link about TRUTH SERUM:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2057471/

   It makes perfect sense if you have a dial-up connection, like me. By the time your post appears, the board will already have advanced several pages, and most people won't read your post.

aruba girl...PMed ya ..last time i promise lol...

I was going to ask that too-as Jug was talking-there was loud music again-seemed to be bothering him too.

Did they ever identify the man that drowned. ????

Thanks Puggy.. I checked it out.. interesting..

Good night Monkeys.  Have to get set up for Greta.  Bed, TV, remote.  BTW it amazes me how many of you never sleep or so it seems.  I always think I will be able to read what happened over night...but no such luck...type slower tonight! :)

probably not to "them" (the flying fingers crew) but it does to me...

My guess would be know, after we saw what happened to SC.  If the story his mother told was true (about him being arrested just for telling a story he overheard).

Might be expensive for her. Tollfree for us, but not for Aruba. She might be better e-mailing. Or talking to the 3 agents currently on the island. the family would know how to reach them since I think they get daily briefings from them.

Thank you! :wink:

CGI is fried at 10:00 at night??....somebody needs a bigger driver/server....whatever..

One more thing before I head off....covering my ears and saying nnnhhghghghngnnghhhhh while Geraldo is on.   :roll:

Night all.. going to watch Greata,, cant wait to see and hear Mickey speak! God Bless him!!  Cath ya'll later!

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html

On May 30, Holloway and her friends headed to the beach and pool around 10:00 a.m. for a full day of sun. At 8:30 p.m., they had dinner in the hotel restaurant and then went to the hotel casino where Holloway met van der Sloot. At about 11 p.m., Holloway and her friends went to Carlos and Charlie's Bar where they once again ran into van der Sloot.

last time Ill comment on it. cos its soooo off topic...and the CGI's on fire...but Im on roadrunner...and Im paying thru the nose for this thing, suppose to tbe the fastest....but I cant keep up wiht these junkies...

I lied..........this is the last time...dont know if you check your messages frequently, and im headin off the site for bit so wanted to send it out before i left

No concert?

"set up like a bowling pin..."
-The Grateful Dead

Serial Killer, BTK Strangler.  He's been all over the news last two days, yesterday plead gulity, waived rights to a jury and gave detailed accounts of each of his victims......SICKO! and he loved every minute of it.
Sorry to get off topic... 8)

Sometimes I feel sorry for Trapenberg the way the media talks to him. The guy is just a spokesperson, after all...

You think someone set her up? Stalked her?

Greta takes us inside Natalee's hotel room.


Looks like there is a sliding glass door.

Pug...sent yah a PM...

arrabba, please give us whatever you can about Greta's show tonight.

yes,I do

Good night, thanks for the "Nancy Drew" story link!

I do appreciate the minute by minute accounts as to the interviews on Fox. How sad is this that I only have basic cable, I wish I could watch the interviews. AGHH!!

Anyone know how I can watch the interviews online?

Ok sorry back to topic---Natalee

Yeah that's one area I am still shaking my head about. (not that it matters as far as Natalee missing) BUT in People it shows BH sitting on the floor next to the glass door and you can see outside. Then in an interview last night BH says it leads directly outside. BUT the MBHS kids (Dash specifically) said there was no way it went to the beach...you had to go through a lobby area.

On Greta Now: BHT showing Natalee's room :(

Jug Twitty was toned down somewhat. What Twitty stated regarding PVDS was: He (Twitty) did not know if PVDS has all the answers.

Hasn't it been said joran was gambling with his dad that night, and his dad got tired went home, then came back and got joran?


Didn't dash say the door did not open to the beach, that one had to go thru thre hotel or resturant? greta just showed how it opened straight to the beach....

Jug Twitty may have been talking about Computer Voice Stress Analysis.  

Here is a link to a what I believe is the company's website.  He refers to a fella from Atlanta.  One of the company's officers or instructors is a former APD Detective.

http://www.cvsa1.com/product.php

Think it was Joran and his friends? Or someone else? Maybe someone bigger?

Don't forget that it's only 7:00 for some of us  :wink:

Natalee had a pink stuffed animal packed with the rest of her stuff.

I brought this up last night, and was told it didn't matter.

In room:
purse - no license
neatly packed bags
a pink bunny (so sad)
her PASSPORT
all the stuff is in her purse

man! how do the Twittys stay in that room?

Rave parties in Aruba look nothing like Rave parties in America :lol:  Where are the glow sticks... and for glow sticks to work, it needs to be dark.  Rueban is not your everyday Raver.  He looks like he is a Cosmo drinker and I like the sweater around the shoulders look. Very RL. Can we talk about crooked cops???

I had Fox on for a bit, but they were promoting Mark Furman's new book, and my DS decided it was just to much. I did see previews of the walk through NH's hotel room, and it did have a sliding glass door, and from first glance did appear to be on the first floor.

All of NH's stuff is still in the room.  I can't believe that all of that wouldn't have been taken in evidence.

What kind of fiber was on the clothes, finger prints on stuff.  Who knows what.

What is CGI?

Don't feel bad, I brought it up Friday nite & ppl said it wasn't so :shrugs:

dash had said her room was by Natalee's and problalby assumed it was like her (dashs) room that didn't have access like Natalee's.  Knowing a teenage group would be running from room to room thru out the trip, its easy to be confused.

Wow.....Natalee's Mom keeping her passport with her at all times along with her own so they're both ready to leave when they find her.
Heartbreaking...

Watched begining of Greta.

I know it has been said how the cameras did not show NH walking into the lobby-but now with Greta showing the room-NH and the roomates had a main floor room-with access to walk into her room right from outside.  Did anyone catch that?  BHT said she could just walk right out to the beach.

9:00 its george dickel time

yep...whatever.

FOM... can you ask Mickey if he thinks it is at all possible that the Beach Patrol nabbed NH?

FOM...Mickey is up next!

Oooops, I'm sorry I mis-read your question. I understood him to be a state trooper? Maybe not....?

Hey Monkeys!  




Sotaspeak!

No concert. Yeah, I saw that link earlier. It seems like the first time they met was that night at the HI casino. About 9:30. He liked blonde American women according to one friend. He'd probably seen her around. She goes to CnCs with 39 other kids plus 2 chaperones and he follows.

or someone could walk right in.....

Security guard on Greta says that Deepak said their story was made up by the Dutch guy and the Dutch guy's father.

On Greta, SC & Mickey Johns up next, maybe we'll get some goods.

Yeah Mickey is up next....I had NO IDEA that deepak "supposedly" told him that the father was the one that made up the lie and told everyone to go with it..i just knew that deeepak said that they made it up..... and that was that..never heard anythign abotu the father bein the main man in the creation of the story........... anyone else know!~

Regarding Arubagirls earlier post of her friend seeing the bros. car
on the road:

what if the bros. never dropped Joran and Natalee off at the
beach at all BUT... Joran and Natalee dropped the bros. off
at the bros. house and Joran took Deepaks car that evening..?

... has that been thrown out yet?

check your PMs

Mike, turn on FOX...Mickey coming up

arubagirl -- Is Van Straaten the person whose son you know?  How is it that he is also a Nederlander, possibly from Arnehm or Boxtel, to be Joran's godfather?  And Lorenzo's mother, too?  Is Aruba full of people from that one area of The Netherlands?

Hey guys, am going to sleep.

Bye.

Maybe it didn't matter because she apparently only stayed in it one night...the first night.

Another reason that the roommates weren't alarmed that she never returned.  But I'm not sure that they were there either.  

I think maybe the main action was upstairs.

Croes doesn't know ANY of them??? HUH??? Just a good guy who thought he would make up a story?

HUH?  Steve Croes claims he doesn't know Deepak? :shock:

many thanks !!

Aw, shoot!  You're the only person who replies to me and I just missed you!  Night!

Didn't his boss say that steve told him that he knew deepak?

Nite :D

LOL, this is so bizarre.  I think he was just saying that to get Greta out of his hair :shock: .

Yes, Someone could have followed her and walked right in-most MB students were still out or by the pool.

They could have followed her-and grabbed her before entering that door.

How weird is this Croes deal?  I can't believe he would go forward not knowing them.  He said Deepak was a 'client" but he didn't know him....hmmmmmmm weird.

Croes says he doesn't know any of them at all and went to the police "just because."

What is wrong with this guy?

OK...I am going with Greta's question about Croes...

IS HE A NUT??

Sorry...but what was he doing...just trying to look "big"?

exactly how much money would a girl like NH be worth on the open sex trade market?

actually he was a "compliance officer"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/27/btk.killings.ap/

FOX:  Giovanni Lane (Diario reporter) says that Steve Croes may have gone to LE with his story to possibly cash in on some award money.  Steve said he didn't know Deepak from the internet cafe, he was just a client.

Giovanni Lane is on a "Diario" Reporter.   Listening to this guy and and the investigation that's going on in Aruba, confirms that this is a screwed up Island.  It's still safe compared to Jamaica.

I wonder if being a prick is a crime under aruban law?

Why are people saying that MBHS kids finished packing Natalee's bags?  Evidently, one student said this in an interview.

I thought Nat packed her own bags -- and Ed, the guy with Dash, told BO'R that their chaperones/facilitators had TOLD all of them to have their bags all packed the night before, so they'd be ready to go at first call.

Anybody know the truth of this?  I don't like the idea that somebody else finished packing her bags for her.

Thanks for a job well done--Night!

Night arubagirl!  But dont leave on my account! LOL!

I asked that early on to a poster who knew a lot about that market (somehow) and they said $100,000.

That's what I've been wondering for a while.  Her room is on the first floor with an outside door.  The majority of the kids were at the pool.  She could have come home...and who knows who followed her.  It could have been Joran or it could have been someone off the street.

or going onthe record as "help in the case" for his part of a potential  reward?

I didn't like the way her interview with SC was spliced!  I was having trouble believing that her q. was immediately followed by his answer!

I got no clue other than Aruba...WW, tell Greta those long sleeve shirts are killing me...how she keeps them so crisp is beyond my comprehension... :)

I am more confused about SC now than I ever was.  I just don't understand this at all.  I swear, everything in this case makes me more confused!!!!

I am so confused--I thought along with others-he knew Depak, but not Satish. Now saying he was just a client there...

Hmmmm

$20,000 +

Croes is a liar as well, he says he didn't know any of the 3, says he backed up the story of the bros kalpoe to" be a good person".....reporter Giovanni ( i like him ) tells GVS perhaps Croes made his statement to get the reward being offered, and re: knowing deepak, apparently it is a matter of "how well" he knows him......

Is anyone being honest of this group of 5?

He could have been told to keep that info. tight lipped while Paul was being investigated...IMO

BTK was a true SOCIOPATH.  Hate to say, but have spent tons of time in Mexico, and let's just say... I have never run across a cop that supports himself on salary alone.

Micky Johnson is on.  Greta serious LE missteps.  Micky Johnson says he didn't know Deepek.

honestly I am confused on this as well.

Well, Iffin I hadda say, id say he's lyin!  Sotaspeak!

The award money theory makes sense because he really was reported to have any direct link in any of this.

Who knows. Take it for what it is,  hes useless to help them find her.

   Nobody appears to be telling anything remotely approaching the truth.

Red,
Check your PM for that post you need.

Yeah, but how did Joran GET there? Did he walk? Because if he was in the tournament and it started at 4 or 5, Paul didn't drive him there because his plane from Holland didn't land until 5 pm. So what did he do? Go right from the airport to the casino? Go home and come join Joran? Which means he'd get there about 6:30 or 7?

So he's jetlagged and goes home by when? 9 or 9:30? 10? Then turns around and comes back and picks up Joran at 11 pm?

Just seems like something's not right here.

Ok Mickey John on now.  

Said Deepak did not know he was the Security Guard??

Saying what we already knew that Deepak said they made up the story with the "Family"

wwizard... thanks for the reply. Happen to know who patrols the waters in Aruba? Polis, or does the island have it's own CG. BTW is that 20,000- 100,000.?

Mickey just dropped a big ol bomb on Papa, doncha thank?

I just read that too, thanks

spab, that has never been mentioned, as far as I know, but you know what?  It makes sense:

Deepak: Joran, gosh, get a room, man!
Joran: Hey well can we just drop you guys off at your house, then I'll drive Natalee to her hotel and then bring your car back to you?  after all, I'm old enough to drink and gamble, so your car is safe with me.

thanks for clearing that up

just guessing...entirely plausible

Why is his story different now than it was when he was first released?  When he first got out he did not mention "the family" creating this story.

Maybe police asked him not to say anything until they talked to the Father.

I know I am talking to myself.  Thinking as I type.

Mike,
Here is FOM's post from earlier today from her phone talk with Mickey. (just in case there is anything here that is not on TV)
 
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject:         
        
Hey Kerin et al...have not had time to get up to date and am going to work soon. Here is what I can add.

I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran"
HE SAID NO _ NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse. Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family"
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to. As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John. Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth. Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.
I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx
_________________
peace to all

FOX:  Mickey (former security guard) says....

Deepak didn't know who he was.  

Deepak said when push comes to shove, he and his brother decided to tell the truth.

Deepak said they went to lighthouse, then drop the girl and the dutch guy off near the Marriott.

Deepak looked very calm.  

The Dutch guy's family helped make up the story.

Deepak said that he thought he and his brother would get released, but that the Dutch guy wouldn't.

Aruban authorities did not apologize to him.

What if the DJ was minding his own business on the Starbucks patio and overheard Deepak yakking away on his cell phone? Perhaps he thought he  was being a solid citizen...

Ummmmm, my guess would be a "pay-off" to provide an alibi?????
but from who.......? tooooo many q's

He has not recieved an apology and doesn't expect to get one.  Wow he just said "the Aruban Government" are fools and something about a cover-up.  Can anyone tell me what was said at the end of the interview with him?

That was awfully bold of him to say on television.

He had Deepaks car to dispose of her body with. How else would he have
gotten rid of it?... he returned the car the following day. The phonecall
placed to Deepak at the 2ish time was when something had gone wrong..
with Natalee. The later text message was... I'm home... I've gotten rid
of her... its all good...

I don't know... just a thought...

If being a dumbass was a crime  this guy would be doing life

Mickey will be lucky if he is not found in the drink tomorrow!!

I think he said the aruban investigators were fools and they needed to go back to school to learn how to run an investigation.

It didn't sound like Deepak would let *anybody else* besides Satish drive his car and only grudgingly allowed that because he didn't want it to get messed up in driving to work every day.

I'm also wondering now about the "lighthouse story."  I thought all along it was made up as a time-extender to cover the amount of time the 3 needed to do all their dastardly deeds and cover them up or clean them up.

Now, I'm thinking that it was Deepak's cover story for the "rough road" he said he didn't want his car to drive over, near the lighthouse.  It may have been "rough road" somewhere else, such as the lake or quarry.

Just throwing that out there, even though I think Joran probably did most of this alone, with Pop's help afterwards.  Or the other scenario I lean towards, with someone taking Nat off-island.

did everybody see that door?  no barrier, no bridge, just beach.

Heres Deepak's apology:

Im sorry Deepak that you lied at first.  Im sorry you hindered this investigation and possibly your lies led to it never being solved.  Im sorry alot of evidence was lost because you lied.  Im sorry your lies put 2 guys in jail for nothing.

Have fun in jail deepak im sorry.

You make another good point-what if thw 2 were dropped off, they are together on the beach-NH does not want to go further-little conflict, she starts walking fast towards her room/hotel, sees him behind her-she runs towards starts to enter he comes and grabs her out of room...

That made me feel nauseas!

The later text message was... I'm home...

did I just hear Micky Johns say that it was " I will call you when I get Home"?

yes....and completely opposite from what "others" have told us.

Mickey will be lucky if he is not found in the drink tomorrow

See nothing, speak nothing, heard nothing... but brain still works. :wink:

and a very goo d thought, I have not thought of this possibility. I know deepak's mother said he was very protective of the car, wouldn't even drive it to work. He had sateesh drop him off and pick him up from work.
Interesting.

My only feelings about the door that opened up to the beach is that most people are going to keep that door locked if they are not there.  I don't think she could have entered from that door.  Just doesn't make sense to me that these girls would go out drinking, knowing they will be gone most of the night leaving everything they have in that room and leave that door unlocked so they could come in through it later.

Thank ya Mayam!

FOM, I like Mickey and I hope all goes well for him. I am glad he was vindicated, and I am glad deepak at least had the decency to apologize to him.
Mickey could be a witness against the VDS's. I bet we see that very soon.

Arlene Ellis Schipper arubian attorney is on Fox.  

I'm more pissed now then before.  New evidence?  What new evidence.  Statements were taken from the primary players as well as Micky John and company.  LE should have a formal statement from Deepact and John.  

Dutch rule of law, second rate justice system.

Uhm, huh?  I'm not sure what you were trying to communicate here....

Mickey said joran texted deepak and said " I will get on line with you when I get home."

i am not speculating about anything.  i only wanted it on the record that the door opens to the beach   maybe it is relevant, maybe not.

So ... while all hell is breaking loose on the beach... where is the Beach Patrol. How many persons are actually patrolling the beach. I had asked some time ago...is it really possible that Baby raped, killed, dragged or buried NH on this strecth of sand and not one person saw or heard anything?

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html

Justice said Holloway spent most the night with her friends, not van der Sloot. However, at about 1:30 a.m. Holloway and van der Sloot left the bar together.

Dragonfly - I agree completely.  Esp leaving passports and cellphones in the room, I think anyone would keep sliding door locked and come in/out through the lobby

I have wondered if LE had talken a statement from Mickey when he was released. I wondered this when I watched him tell his story. Surely, LE knows what he had been told.

I am beginning to think there is a problem between LE and the prosectors office.

I've had beach doors in hotels in the Caribbean that couldn't be unlocked from the outside, but they always automatically locked when closed.  I could go "out them" but couldn't come "in them," not even with a key.

I'm guessing that nowadays they have updated them to have a slot for card keys - but maybe not, because beach-access sliding doors have always been a problem with hotels.

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that"s what I thought ...
I think most time lines have the text message as when Joran WAS home.

still would love to know the Cell tower locations for the 1st call and the text message.

I'm thinking that way too.

The whole SC thing is a little nutty.

Mickey looked so nervous-but did a great job especially releasing that info-I am sure he could not say the "family" part due to legal reasons.  I wonder if PVDS will be arrested again-shortly???  I feel so bad no one apologized to him.

Then for Deepak-a friend of JVDS keeps referring to the "Dutch Boy"and the Dutch Family" Not by name??? Why is that?

Also about the text message-Mickey said Deepak told him that Deepak went home and was chatting on the computer.  JVDS text messaged him on his cell saying he will go on the computer when he gets home.  So Deepak knew he was still out with her when he was home.

And still the whole story that Deepak keeps saying about NH showing up at a Crackhouse or with BeachBum..why would he think that?  Does he know of others and their involvment ?

After the interview with Mickey John (who is either telling the truth, or is a lot smarter man than I am, and I ain't exactly a mororn) , and after Mickey claimed that the Kalpoe brother said, "He sat down with the family and cooked up that story about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn." The family. And then, Greta had an interview with Arlene Ellis Schipper, and asked why Paulus van der Sloot had been released, if they had all this information. Ms. Schipper replied, "I don't know what information the prosecution had, at the time." Wait. Wait. Everybody else in the whole world knew it, by that point, and it had to be in official depositions. So, it's fair to ask why the prosecution didn't know it. And someone will have to explain why that judge who was brought in from Curacao was able to go through thousands of pages of transcript in just a few hours and determine that there was no evidence to hold Paulus van der Sloot.

he said "they" when he was released. Remember he was also pretty upset that night, and perhaps he had been asked not to say anything about the dad as he was still being investigated.?

I think arlene is Natalee's attorney...correct me if im wrong.

so know we do know deepak and joran were emailing or im'ing-----

Hmm...was it you who was always saying "Follow the money..."?

FOX - David Kock - Satish's lawyer

Next court appearance is next Tuesday

Both brother's have told the truth for 10 days now, the other detainee keeps changing his story.


Dropped off Joran and Natalee at 1:50 AM

2:35 - 2:40 AM - Call from Joran to Deepak

40 minutes later, SMS from Joran to Deepak

David Kock knows PvdS - experience was always positive with him.

No, another female attorney is the family attorney.

    The judge who released Paulus said he was basing his decision on four pieces of testimony that contradicted each other. Apparently these four pieces of testimony were the extent of the goods they had on Paulus. Or so said the woman who read the judge's decision on the courthouse steps.

Yes this is what was relayed from the very begining

Actually, he said he would get on-line ewhen he got home and tell them what happened

Benvinda da Sousa is the Twittys' Aruban attorney.

On Gretta --- the gap between the phone call to Kalpoe and the text message was 40 minutes.

ON Cnn  Carl Penthall walked the distance from the beach to VDS house in ---- 36 minutes.

I don't know about the specific area where they calimed to have dropped him off, but there are many beach areas that are pretty desolate - when no patrolling.

if wwizard is saying "follow the money" than the wiz is smarter than your average bear...

is deepak, 21, the little one and satish, 18, the  the big one big one.  did greta mix up the pictures?  great is grasping at straws tonight.

Poor Mick! I am so glad he is out and was smart enough to glean some info from Deepak that Papa Smurf was in on the HI story

Now that, I gotta go with!  Thanks fer dat!

surely Ella... the beach that fronts the major hotels has got to have 24 hr. patrol

Sounds like ol' Papa might find his butt back in jail!

And, why the hell wouldn't the cops get a full statement from Mickey?  What a crock!  This is really outrageous.

And, this Steve Croes guy is totally perplexing....

What a head scratcher.

Satish, the young one, is bigger.  That's what his told Greta.

little one deepak 21...big one satish 18

Did he say that Joran's story changed from Deepak picking him up to Satish picking him up?

So, what you're saying is that if there was EVEN ONE version of the story that differed with that of Paulus van der Sloot, then Daddy had to walk.  Explain how that conforms to Dutch law.

The part that is sadder than the difference between the time of the message to the time of the walk home (40 mins) is the fact that whatever "happened" (IMO) to Natalee was done in 50 mins. (1:50 to 2:40).

That's exactly how I took it too regarding the car.  The Kalpoe mom indicated that he was very picky about his car and did not like the fact that Joren & Natalee were necking in the backseat if I remember corectly.  I just cannot see Deepak letting Joren & Natalee drive off in his proud posession.

Greetings to all.  I've been reading your posts for the past 10 days and I am equally confused as to what really happened.

However, lately I've gotten a gut feeling that Natalee was run over by Deepak's car as she was trying to escape Joran's advances.  All three boys were together.  All three know where Natalee is.

but: and there is always a but in this case----Sateesh's attorney just said that joran and Natalee were dropped off at the beach around 1:50 am, then joran called for a ride from deepak about 2:30 then 40 minutes later texted deepak he was home. The attorney said this was not normal to text someone who had just dropped you off, so joran changed the story to it being Sateesh who picked him up and he was telling deepak he was home.   The lies never stop.

Yes, but that came out the other day.

FOX:  Julia Renfro says...

She interviewed Mickey a couple times and Mickey said "the boys" made up the story.


6:40 AM - Joran was on the bus to school, Headmaster said he was at school on time for exams.

Joran is an idol for the younger kids at school.

I spoke of this last night when BHT said that there was a door to the beach.  Another student on the trip had said there was no exit in the room to the beach...If someone left the room from that door, it might not have been locked.  In my experience, the lock is inside the sliding glass doors, and it might have been forgotten, or on purpose.....again, just a thought, not fact....

   You're right: this is puzzling. But what the spokeswoman said was that there was a conflict in the times given by various people about when various events had occurred. I THINK she was referring in part to contradctions between what beth Holloway Twitty had said and what Paulus had said.

Going to watch remainder of Greta--then it is off to bed for me-  Too much info-lots of confusion-huge headache!!!

Night everyone!

Didn't Satish's attorney say that?  That he changed from Deepak to Satish and so far Satish can't PROVE that he was in bed asleep and that's the only reason he's still in jail.  Did I hear that right?

Highly plausible.

Satish's lawyer mentioned that again tonight.

 :arrow:
wiz said gone w/in an hour

That's what I heard.

Yeah, that wiz has been a little scary with his posts.  :)

No, from what I recall, he said only that Joran's story continues to change and the boy's story has been firm the last ten days.

good evening all ....

a thought on the beach side door - if lots of kids were out at the pool all night, maybe Natalee's roomates left the door open to go in and out themselves?

I'm also confused about Greta and the Micky Johns interview - MJ said "the family" but Greta keeps saying "the family -- the father" - since this is all so "fluid" as Greta says, I think it's very important to be very precise about what is and isn't said - she asked MJ several times about this and each time, he said "the family" or "I don't know who's in the family"

so much confusion ... wish they'd find some real answers

I just read an article that confirms that The group knew Joran before that night,

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html

If this is old news sorry, it is dated June 27th, (yesterday)

I don't know, I have never really trusted Julia, she always seems to have an agenda. I wish I knew why I feel that way. But she clearly said Mickey said the boys made up the story.

I've not been to Aruba, but have been to Islands where we've been advised not to walk the beach at night, even under patrol.  It was said that is where 'bad things could happen'....needless to say, we didn't go there....no questions asked.  The advise was from the travel group and the hotel.

Are we sure they were in Deepak's car?  Does Satish have a car?

right dragonfly, that is what he said, Sateesh is still in jail because he can't confirm he was sleeping that night until the next morning.

THE FAMILY, folks. THE FAMILY. Greta asked Mickey John exactly what that meant and he said that he didn't know. It was just "the family." Well. Let's see if we can figure out WHO THAT WAS.  I looked up the word, "family" in the dictionary, and it said "father and mother." Father and mother.

Evening Monkeys!! Kerin!
OK, been catching up on posts and I have a few questions...humor me, ok??
First of all, Mickey Is awesome.  :D ..lets get that out of the way
First question is, Is mr pink the same mr pink on those "websites"..DONT LAUGH...lol
Secondly, the "missing" MB boy..does he have a connection to Natalee other than being a student at the same school, and if so, could they be off somewhere together? ( i know, it isnt likely..please dont throw things at me)...LOL

did I hear Gretta say 3:15 text mesage that is different than 2:40/ 2:45

Hmm, I wonder if Joran got the same kind of treatment as Mickey did when he was arrested? :(

Micky John (Security Guard) was sweating quite profusely when talking to Greta.  Perhaps some will think that makes him guilty  :lol:

FOM...maybe you should tell Mickey to leave Aruba!!! I fear for HIS safety NOW!!

And then again, how far is that McD's (dumpster)from Marriott beach?

I think it's about 1.2 km, less than a mile.

Well, to her credit Mickey did say the father 2 or 3 times until she asked him "he specifically said the father?" and then he said "well he said the family and I don't know who is in the family".

Now, that is an interesting question. Let's see if anybody wants to follow up on that one.

Hey- Arubagirl- Dan has you on his site... be careful out there..

thats a great question and I know what youre thinking.

 :shock:  :shock: Think MJ should be scared about the fire he just posted????? :o  :o    HOLY CRAP!!!  I thought he should lock his door after the first half w/greta....

Mother in Holland, younger brother?

I'll put fifty on it.... :lol:

Was brought to their attention that two men were dragging a woman off the beach and IT was not taken seriousely. However, when someone heard someone way out in the ocean yelling for help it was reported. Boats sent out but couldnt locate. Next day body washed up on beach. Who was he--- the missing man from Natalees flight ??

HOT LAVA????

Did you hear that?

Nikki,
Hi There! Don't know about the PINK character.  :) The only missing person (if he really is) is the man who sat next to Natalee on the plane and could not be located as far as returning. Not aware of anyone else.

When Greta asked whether the father was there Mickey said, yes, the father was part of it.

I was just about to say, she is quoted all over Riehl world...

That's what Paul said in the NOVA interview too.  the issue was the time he picked up joran.  he said 11 at McDonalds in his police interview (as a witness).   He also told the two police officers who showed up with the Twittys when they showed up at the house with the police.  the two officers included this in their report of the incident.  Somebody else present at the posse interview said Paul said he picked up Joran at 4 am.  
they brough him in on that contradiction in the record.  after the judge read the police report and the record of Paul,s questioning as a witness and as a supect he realized paul never waivered from the 11 pm story so he let him go.   Dutch readers:  did I get that right?

I'm not watching...what's this about Hot Lava?

Kerin there is now talk of a boy from the high school that is also missing, but I have no idea where that came from or what the source is since I did not read the lasat 100 pages or so.

I consider that merciful.

roflol :lol:

According to someone of RWV today, Dutch law says that a parent can not be arrested for aiding a child in covering up evidence....if indeed this was covering up evidence.  It is still possible that Joran is telling the truth...that he left her on the beach, with people around, and walked home...

OK, so IS there a MB student that has yet to return home but is NOT actually missing? :?

Thats true too.  I think we saw a couple of stories on this board that showed that the "Beach Patrol" in many tourists areas are pretty awful.

I completely agree with you concerning Julia/agenda....she certainly seems to be a big fan of Joran's.  JMO.  

right, In thinking about this, girls would have locked the sliding glass door because they knew their passports and money was in the room. The door had to have been locked, this would be common sense, and apparently Natalee was a practical girl.

Oh yea--did he get fired up---I say he is one pissed off man at a lot of people--I wonder if he has any kind of police protection since he is voicing this while the investigation is still occuring-I hope so.

I don't blame him for feeling that way one bit!

Ok-I am really leaving to go to bed now! Good Night!

I think so too.

Mickey John said the authorities deserved hot lava...or some such thing.  He said they should clean them all out.

Was there any indication on Fox today whether they were getting closer or losing groung?

Mickey John was open, forthcoming, and did not have to think before answering. Paulus van der Sloot took ice ages between questions.

oh wow.

Deep sigh.

A parent has the right not to have to say anything incriminating information he got directly from his child.

I.e. "Dad, I killed NH", is protected

"Dad, please help me bury the body " and Paul van der Sloot does so, his actions (Paul's) are NOT protected.

Thanks for clearing that up for us professor.  LOL

sorry I am out of minutes :oops:

...also there is a BIG difference in a text message that reads: 'I will
email you when I get home'

vs.

'I am home'


I'm confused as to the correct one...

I don't know how y'all feel about Mickey, but I think he's GREAT.....and the *hot lava* .... whoa!

Jug said to Geraldo that he feels they are making progress.

If it weren't for Beth Twitty and her "posse," Mickey John would sit rotting in a jail cell, accused of a crime he did not commit.

WHY are you stating this?

There is NO missing MB boy.

There is, however, according to a report by Greta van Susteran last week, that during the flight to Aruba that Natalee, make that SHY QUIET Natalee met a man on the airplane and they chatted all the way down to Aruba.

Another poster says that the man was staying at the HI, but I don't recall hearing that.

I simply remember Greta stating that authorities knew the identity of the man, who was NOT a part of Natalee's High School Class Trip, and they know that he has NOT left Aruba, but they have no idea where he is.

Duh!!! Thats purty nuch whut Im thankin!

Mickey Rocks :D ...Hey FOM, Think he'll come talk to us here? Tell him we'll let him swing in trees with us and even give him a banana... :D

Julia Renfroe just PEGGED the cell phone message situation. The 6:40 AM call that everyone was so excited about was Joran on the school bus headed for the other end of island. EXACTLY what I thought 2 weeks ago!

The info she gave also matches well with the idea of Deepak being on the way home and going towards Montanja at 2:00 AM.

Dropped off at 1:50 AM at beach. There is a timeline here folks.

I am very concerned for Mickey.

MJ says on the first video interview that the "three" sat and made the story up. He was talking about the three boys. Nothing about father then.
It gets curiouser and curiouser.

I think he's just embellishing now. But that's just mho.

http://nataleeholloway.tripod.com/

I agree at the end when he said everyone in the Justice Department should be fired, I thought he better be careful.

Sounds like from what mom said he left her with someone else

I would be very grateful is someone could post that NOVA link?? Thanks, it would take forever to find it

WHY are you stating this?

There is NO missing MB boy.

There is, however, according to a report by Greta van Susteran last week, that during the flight to Aruba that Natalee, make that SHY QUIET Natalee met a man on the airplane and they chatted all the way down to Aruba

newshound, she asked a question and specifically said she heard it and didn't know the source, implying that perhaps it was unfounded.  Lighten up, already.

Anita was in Holland.  Deepak may have interpreted family differently than the dictionary definition, english isn't his first language.

 

Mickey did not say that.  He said depak said they cooked up the story with the family.  Deepak did not specify the father was in on it.  He did not sp,  paul says in the Nova interview that he told the boys to tell the truth, explained the procedures and told them not to worry.  he said on the night of the posse he was telling joran to tell his story to the police, not the other people present whose status he did not know.  he said he beleived joran's story that he dropped her at HI.  he also  said he immediately took leave as soon as joran was questioned and that he is a substitute judge whose appointment fom 1 jan 2003 is for 3 years, the same as i have been reporting since the begining.  the nova interview is worth watching.   i think it perfectly plausible that Paul beleived the boys and briefed them on how to deal with the invesitigation.

and what r u drinking tonight??? I've got a straw daquiri going.

I'm fixating on the last report on Fox that said that J took the bus on Monday morning at 6:00 a.m. (according to the bus driver) and took his exams (according to the Head Master) and did very well.  Somewhere in the back of my mind I thought I read that his exams didn't take place until that Friday.  Could be losing my mind.  Help?

Hmmm, maybe the three are Deepak, Joran, and Dad?  just a thought.

Ahhhh ...well thanks for letting me know that, K. When you logoff this forum for 30 min it takes all day to catch back up!

I would like to know more about that, and if he was on the trip, knew Natalee, etc etc

Okay, I noticed something tonight in the interview with the attorney for Satish and I'm going to ask if anyone else noticed it.  First, he was pretty forthcoming with the information regarding cell phone calls and test messages.  More so than anyone else that is directly involved has been.  Secondly, did anyone get the feeling that he really seemed at one point to be separating Satish not only from Joran, but also from Deepak.  He told about how Joran tried to say that Satish picked him up, but Satish denies this.  He said that is the only reason that Satish is still in jail because he can't PROVE he was in bed asleep.  He did however point out that with the other suspects (Joran and Deepak) there are test messages, phone calls, and emails connecting them and that's why they are still in jail.  But for his client it is only because of the one story Joran said that they can't prove is not true.  He made a point of saying there is much more evidence in regards to Joran and Deepak.  Did anyone notice that?  Almost like "Yes, Deepak and Satish have been telling the true story for 10 days now, but my client is even more innocent than Deepak and Joran."  Just my take on it.  Anyone else?

Ya really gotta thank if another kid was missin we wudda heard a LOT about that!  Doncha thank?

Don't be concerned about Mickey. I think he knows how to take care of himself.

no he is not missing, it was just a rumor at least from what i understand

A few pages back someone posted that another student named Jeremy (Natalee's X boyfriend) was on the trip with the group didn't return from the trip and was missing.  But it was later confirmed that it was rumor only.

Papa dont hafta say what <edited RB> "TOLD HIM", but he must tell truth of what he saw or knows otherwise!

Well, lookie here. The cat sh*t under the table.

here it is again  go to di (dinsdag) Tuesday and click on complete uitzending and you will get player options

http://www.novatv.nl/

I fully agree.  He is a stand up guy!

I felt so bad when he told the story about waking up and seeing the blond prosecutor and he mentioned something about Natalee...they immediately said he was involved.  Jeez.

You're not crazy....someone *did* post that exams were NOT taking place that day.....I'm telling y'all, that Julia person seems to be enamored with Joran.  I know that sounds nuts, but that how it appears...to me.

that is a big one aruba girl! :!:

According to Deepak & Satish's mom Satish waited for Deepak's call to pick him up.  Satish then drove Deepak's car to the cafe.  I do not know if Satish has a car or not.

Could some one please quote what was said about "hot lava", please!

Can I have whatever yer takin?  :lol:  :wink:

I think that was the first time anybody on that island told us truly all he knows, thank you Mr. John.

I was in Aruba a few weeks ago. The doors do not lock automatically when shut at my hotel. You had to lift the bar on the door to open it and repace it to lock the door. However scurity at the hotel warned us to keep the door locked after they noticed it unlocked.

But Anita VDS was still in Holland when they would have had this discussion.

thank you arubagirl, people get that mixed up sometimes. Also didn't he waive his right to the privledge, or waive his right to NOT testify against his son. Do I have that right?

I wanted to come back to this, too.  No exams Monday morning.  Is  Headmaster also covering for Joran?

He wants to come yes and ask (JOKINGLY) if now i will marry him
I told him not to get a big head.   That was @ 4 today...but yeah he surprised me with the hot lava stuff! :shock:

 someone:  one of our dutch  participants NL did a summary in the previous board i think  the night before there is a long interview with the twittys (in english with subtitles)

Wonder if the Godfather was in on this? :wink:

iquitos - I specifically remember Mickey saying the father was in on it with the interview with Greta.  Greta made a point of asking a specific question about it.  I stand by my post that says Mickey said the father was there.

Dragonfly ... I got the same impression about Satish's lawyer - he is doing a very good job of protecting his client and distanding Satish from the whole situation - he's also willing to discuss details of evidence which seems inappropriate and possibly his own interest in feeding the media .. or maybe he justs wants to impress Greta? :shock:

I think Satish is covering for his brother thats why he wont totally squeal on Joran because he cant do it withtout risking his brothers involvement uncovered.  I think thats why this is so tough to break.

Hey, hey, we're the monkeys, and people say we monkey around.......hehehehe.....I think of that song every time I come here. Ooops, showing my age.

I think he may have been asked to keep that part to himself, since they were bringing PVDS in for questioning.

I am still thinking there might be a connection to the Mariott,,,,They very well could have let Joran and Natalee off at the hotel, or close by,,,but could there be a "connection" whether on purpose of accidently, Natalee happpened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,,,

That could or could not include Joran's involvement....He is still the alpha dog,,,and the brothers were not involved..

Again,,,lots of employees at the hotel,,,concert that day,,,,lots of visitors,,and she could very well be OFF THE ISLAND>>>>>

yes, Jug said he was told "something" today that seemed like progress.

Some in the group did because he'd played poker with them and gotten into fights with them, but NATALEE didn't meet him until Sunday night at 9:30 pm.

Follow the money.....hmmmm. OK wiz...more hints please.
(and FOM you know not to drink while posting. In the past you have said some crazy things)  :)

Ok, I've been spilling this over with my husband tonight..and we've come to some conclusions here.

1st of all, I was thinking that these Kalpoe brothers, for the most part, within the last couple weeks are probably innocent. But then my husband and I came  to the conclusion, why would these brothers initially lie for the sake of Joran? Why would they agree to protect Joran if in fact it was an innocent dropoff at the Marriot beach. Why would they need to change their story. Are they that loyal to the VDS? Creates a big question  :?: If papa vds or Joran, for that matter, coersed them into the drop off point, why would these brothers take this lie on, if in fact they DIDN'T  drop Natalee off at the HI. Why would they stretch their necks out that far to cover Joran? Were they threatened if they didn't go along with the original story? And better yet, once they spoke of the drop off of the Marriot beach to Mickey, were they told inside to SHUT YOUR MOUTH?  Were they a part of something that could have been "something terrible happened to Natalee" ...YES! But what part did they actually take part in with her disappearance and/or death? Could it have been drug induced by all of them that led to a fatal death with Natalee? These 2 brothers haven't broke, and why? I think they did have a part in the actual end to Natalee's life. But they are scared as hell what might happen to them if they should come clean. Are they being guided in their cells of what to say and what not to say?

Just a thought, and may have been mentioned already.

Natalee is on the plane on the way down talking to this nice tourist fella.  They chit chat and he asks alot of questions that seem generic to her, but not to him.  "Where from? What do you do? Why are you here?  What do your parents do?"  

So he's the plant, she's the mark.  Info relayed to the VDS's.  Blonde girl from money.  Teenage group, yada yada yada....

JVDS seems to have shown up over the duration of the stay, as I recall reading of several MBHS kids seing him here and there.  He is observing.

When they decide to take her, JVDS is the one to lure, as he is of a common age, and then through whatever menas, transfers her to this person from the plane who has either never left the island  with her, or who did leave the island and took her with him.  

Just a crazy way out thought.  Please be kind if I am stupid.

Julia Renfro said Joran was on the bus at 6:40 AM.

Yes, in fact at one time we had the exact dates of the exams from the school website or something and they did not include the day after Natalee disappeared.  IF I remember correctly.

I think someone posted earlier that the AP exams were held that week beginning on Monday.

It seems that J has a lot of "godfathers"!   :wink:

and just chalks up another lie for joran! :x  according to sateesh's attorney,because joran changed which brother picked him up.

You never know the way the case is going

Had same experience  :?

mickey is repeating his recollection of what deepak told him.  mickey was not a participant in whatever session the boys had to ccok up the story  paulus admits he advised them on how to handle the thing if they are arrested based on the story they told him, that they lefte Natalee at HI.  Joran lied to him too.

thank you.  Greatly appreciated

Not nearly as crazy is some of the other theories we have come up with during this entire ordeal.   :lol:

TTownMike,

You are right about that. There is no way that another MB kid is missing. It would be a huge story. If another MB kid was missing from that trip, word would have spread at the same time that word of Natalee missing did. That news spread around here almost immediately.

Jug indicated tonight that he got information today that made him feel things are speeding up.  He did not disclose this info.

So we have more now to support the idea that lies were told, but the only new thing we have is that Joran says there were people on the beach where he left Natalee.

So how to find those people?

What about that rumor of a woman being dragged off?

If Joran killed Natalee, he apparently did not confide in Deepak, or if he did, Deepak left that part out while chatting with Mickey in the jail.

So as far as Natalee's whereabouts is, we appear to be, as Mrs. Beth puts it, where we were on May 30.

um, nikki - im a few pages back still but just wanted to leap forward in time to say WTF

A voice of reason, IMHO, amidst the cacophony of vigilante-ism.  Why is this the first time MJ has mentioned this since he's been out, what, 2 weeks??

I think he sees this as an opportunity to extend his 15 minutes of fame to 19 minutes.....nothing more nothing less.

But the desperate vigilantes hang on anything.....viable or not.

I also believe he said that while it was speeding up, it was still (naturally) too slow for him.

I'll tell him hat...He can't believe this is news..he was not afraid and sayseverybody there knows whats going on.

2005 exam schedule for the International school of Aruba, Is this the right school?

http://www.isaruba.com/documents/EndofSemesterIIExamSchedule2005.pdf

The attorney from Aruba told Greta that PVDS can be called to testify (or not) but during the questioning about his son PVDS can choose to not answer any question.

I am wondering if this could be related to the hit by the TX group....Mr. Miller seemed to really hesitate yesterday when he said "slight hit"....and he looked so very sad.  Really wish there was a video to play of that interview.  

Today they didn't dive, as I understand it...correct me if I'm wrong.

He also said, and I've posted this before (please be patient) that if they did find something, they would not disclose it right away.

Discussion between Bendex and Girlfriend

Girlfriend : Or you stop chatting with your monkey friends or I go

Bendex   : I am going to miss you

I hope he can stretch it out to a good, very well-paying job. And a book and a movie.

What if Yellow Ribbon and I call this poor Jeremy boy tomorrow and make sure he's ok?  Will that help?

Actually, it sounds plausible to me.  There might be a few little tweaks in motivation and modus operandi, but the basic plot could fit.  Set up.  Yep.
Who
What
Why
When
Where
How Much

...but like you say, maybe just a crazy way out thought...but not stupid!

 

Did we not here on this very place a few nites back from one of them (purportedly) that there were a 100 MB kids out on that beach and they would have seen Natalee?

Greta needs to follow up on this school/exam thing herself. There have been to many stories, and in Julia's eyes joran can almost do no wrong.

Here we have a very strange and terrible tale of a father and son going to hell together. It is scanning like the first chapter in a Joseph Conrad, complete with the septic imprint of Dutch Colonialism steeped in the steaming tropics. So far, I hate it.

If the headmaster said there were exams, then there must have been exams. People don't lie about things that can be so easily prooved or disprooved.

Bendex, why don't you just invite her to the monkey party?  She can play too!

But that is the whole point, they never disclose anything. I mean come on...what have Mr. and Mrs. twitty actually divulged. They have both continually said in the last couple weeks that they trust everything is speeding along, they are happy with the co-operation of the LE. Beth has not stated anything negative as to the investigation and results with the Aruba officials. She has stated she is confident that they are all working together. Then today she says she doesn't know which way this is going, she doesn't know if she is starting from the beginning or not? She stated nobody knows anymore. I mean...I am as frustrated with these 2 as I am with the 3 boys and papa vds.

He's a stand up guy.

This could explain how Joran got home,,,,,if he had connections,,,I wonder if LE spoke to Mariott,,,HI employees,,,,,,

He had been hanging around all week,,,per MB students,,,heard this several time,,,,,

U LIKE IT !!! :lol:

Why do "they" keep saying that they thought she would turn up in a crack house?

I'm begining to think even the  brothers don't know what really happened, but Daddy sure knows.

Tell him the same for me too!  Also, I found him to be very smart.  He's a good critical thinker.  He knew to stay quiet and not tell Deepak who he was right way and thought to take the time to ask him questions, etc. He recounted details very well. He was also very confident he would be let go because he was innocent.  Hell, I think he should be a cop!!!

or he knows he has an innocent client other than the inital lie?

I think this is the quote of the night :)

 i think you heard that rite.

I gotta say..listening to Mickey John and watching this tonight .....even with all of our problems..and we've got 'em...I'm glad  I'm an american in america.....these guys (the guards) get arrested on suspicion...with no cause..which is what i think happened to mickey.....a national gets arrested like that....imagine what  would/might happen to one of us in a foreign domain accused of a crime...it's all too "midnight express" for me..but I dont think/matter of fact I am convinced, he (mickey) had anything to do with this at all..but it just scares me what can happen to you in foreign countries (AKA Natalee..what ever that turns out to be) and what  you might be subjected to by the hands of foreign justice systems..

I have only heard that the tests were that Monday morning and people have expressed amazement that he could get up and take his exams. Where did "Friday" come from? I think if you could search back to the first week of June  you will only see "Monday" or "the next morning."

The stuffed animal, a bunny.  Not a child.  Not an adult.  Poignant beyond words.

I cannot fathom the patience and stamina that the Twittys are having to summon.

Wow, that shows the exams for 6/6.  This schedule matches the graduation and everything too.

Interesting theory, but I don't think these kids are that sophisticated to plan something out like that.

If all this wasn't tragic that could be funny.
(But it's better not distract too much because the "tupperware patrol" could be infuriated) :wink:

WHen he was first released he mentioned nothing about the father, now there it is. Maybe he just had a burst of recollection....I just don't think so. If he thought the dad was involved then I think that would have been big news and he would have said it. And he would not have said the "three". He would have said the father was in on it.

Sorry, but I just think that's a pretty big detail to omit or forget. And I don't believe that the police told him not to mention it. I mean after a couple of weeks did they just release him from his vow of silence?

I tend to go with the 4 more minutes of fame.. But hey, thats just me.

So, we're looking for messages in impressionistic paintings now?

 :shock:

We don't know exactly which part of the beach he left her on, or whether "people" refers to those kids or other people.

If all this wasn't tragic that could be funny.
(But it's better not distract too much because the "tupperware patrol" could be infuriated)

That's us...keeping a lid on it, and letting out all the bad air... ;)

I don't have a source for this, but one of the very first things I read on this board approx. 2.5 weeks ago was that Joran took exams on that Monday.

Ting wrote:
So we have more now to support the idea that lies were told, but the only new thing we have is that Joran says there were people on the beach where he left Natalee.


When did Joran state this.... I miss more & more & more

Oh Lord please do so that rumor stops. :o

Why are you frustrated at these two?  Because one day they said the investigation is moving forward, and the next day not? Maybe they're tellin the truth. They know that this investigation is hopeless, at this point. So, get used to it, and don't be so frustrated. I don't want to see you frustrated.

I think my husband is about to be leaving as well!

I agree with you, Ella's Mom, but while they're not sophisticated enough to plan, they are strong enough not to speak.   Go figure.

This does not prove or disprove whether there were exams on 5/30 or the rest of the first week.  My son's school puts out a weekly schedule.  Perhaps the ISA does too.  This may just be that week's school schedule.

AHHH...george dickel hour....got it now

If that's the right school, exams started Monday, June 6th, if I'm reading correctly?

 :arrow: NO!!!  Message in a bottle nancy drew!!!

Good point, you know something, I have travelled to a few foreign countries. I'm the type that investigates my vacation prior to departure. So much so that I go onto forums and find out what it is I am requiring in my vacation and my needs. I have went onto forums, dumb and niave. I get back from my vacation and go onto these forums again and find out exactly what you are saying gaijin. We MUST be careful travellers in a foreign country. We MUST NEVER think that things run the same as they do in our home country or state or province.

On that note, my eldest son wants to travel to mexico this fall...I've been there done that..read enormously of the negative things that happen by eyewitnesses from forums. How do I teach my son how to handle himself in a foreign country with alcohol involved?

I do like your latest suggestion for "Monkey Cliffs Notes"  :)

Right, well there are 3 sitting in jail for the same. and One who just lied because as Greta said "he is a nut", or " he is crook" in reference to the reward, or because as Julia Renfroe says he just "wanted" to meet deepak ( deepak must be very charismatic) and in SC's own words, because he wanted to be a good person. So yes it seems people are lying very easily in this case.

he said family...for what it is worth...

PVDS actions the day after? After JVDS goes to shool, which is a good alibi as to why he couldn't have properly disposed of body, where did PVDS go? Did he go to work? He may have had the time to dispose of a body the next day?

It is a man, not one of the schools group. He did not make his return flight home. He now cant be located. BUT, because no one has filed a missing persons report he is not considered missing. So, if no one files a missing person report what is he ? Just gone I guess.

luna here is the link---it shows exams on 6/6
http://www.isaruba.com/documents/EndofSemesterIIExamSchedule2005.pdf

I should think the last thing Mickey John wants is another few minutes of fame!  His last few minutes of fame ended with him in jail, and he must know (a la Paul Crues) that if he claims father VDS was involved when he wasnt, he could end up back there!

If u ask LE they will tell likely you to wait or go to c/c's// maybe guy will show up in crackhouse soon.... :shock:

q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....

Did he catch the bus at 6 am or 6:40 am?

Yes, that schedule of final exams for Joran's school and class showed that they didn't start until Friday, 6/6/05.

However, there was speculation by some that Joran had Advanced Placement exams that were scheduled in the days before the finals.  I don't know *how* anyone knew that, but they said "maybe."

So, OK, let's say he had an AP exam on Monday morning or sometime during the day on Monday--if it was like my own AP exams, that was the ONLY thing I had to do that day at school--we were off the rest of the week for Hell Week and studying for finals.  It's possible Joran was only at school for a couple of hours on Mon. morning.

(It's also possible that's when other students saw his "scratches" on his face and when he bragged about Nat, before Daddy and Headmaster told him to zip it.)

And, also like my own AP tests, very few other students were taking the same tests I was.  The French ones were popular and there were more people sitting for them, but my Latin AP test had no one else taking it except my best friend and me.

So, maybe the Headmaster looked up Joran's AP records or maybe he didn't.  Who knows--it seemed like a "shoot-from-the-hip" statement to me, like "of course Joran, our shining Golden boy was in school, bright and early Monday morning ("all in our places with bright shiny faces") and I can umm ... umm... prove it.  Why, yes, he took a test that day which proves he was here."  Yeah, that's the ticket.

Church Lady would say, "how con-veeeennn-ient!"

Who says Mickey has to stay in Aruba? I would not blame him a bit if he decided he and his family would be happier somewhere else. And I hope he has the opportunity to do whatever he wants to.

Professor,

I have watched Beth on interviews..lets say at least 8 in the last couple of weeks. She is constantly asked..."do you feel this investigation is moving on as you would like to see, and do you feel you are getting co-operation from the LE and Aruban authorities?" Her answer has always been .."yes i do beleive we are making ground here, and yes i do believe that we are hearing from the local authorities, and I do beleive that this is going along well and we will hear soon that this will come to a conclusion"

Then today...she is frustrated and she feels nobody knows what is going on anymore.

Now this evening, Jug is saying everything is on track again and they feel good?

I mean wtf???

 

so greta had the wrong picture up for deepak today?  satish darker, deepak lighter has car and works at internet cafe the older and smaller of the two.  right?  great wrong....  greta has run out of story on aruba.  she will not be there much longer unless they find the body or some other evidence that allows her to milk this a while longer.  the twittys are truly waning too.  this is just too much for them.  one thing i want before she leaves, amybe beth can ask her:  a tour of joran's apt.  we have seen mickey's and deepak's bedroom no i want to see a white guys bedrooom too.  she was not as pushy with the v/d sloots.  

one more item:  paulus on Nova made reference to a media circus and said he does not want to contribute to it because it has another purpose, another agenda of its own which is not necessarily about natalee.

Actually, he waivered....he said both family and the dad, and then the family......so who knows?

Ellas mom, I don't know how to show a response , so I will respond this way.

I do not think they are smart enough.  I do however think that if this was the case, they have done this before, and so has PVDS.  They are not paid to think, just do.  

After all, how does JVDS have this much money to blow gambling?  And why are he and PVDS in the same place hanging out sometimes?

As I said, just a thought.  But these kids may get paid big bucks to be the lure.  

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

me too.

Its a good thang fer Mickey that that crowd didn't have a rope!  Sotaspeak!

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

If he exists, as I think this is a recent rumor....

That 50 minutes. An area of beach just a bit out of the way...isn't that towards the end, where it's rough? Plenty of time. I think in every lie there is a grain of truth. The school official laid out a drowning scenario for Jug on like day two. There was some swimming mentioned by maybe Joran. I think he put her in the water.

But If you look on the schedule it says that students that have taken AP exam can substitute that exam for the final exam ---- but that kids still have to come to class. That fits with an earlier post on this board last week that AP exams were held the week before.

OK, for those determined to make fun.

I was responding to a question from Kerin.

I SAID there was no proof.

Here is the entire post from Scared Monkey poster on the thread before this one.  There was a a discussion and several replies.

I was NOT evaluating the information, simply telling her that there HAD been talk of it earlier today.  That was a fact.  There was talk.  It was NOT verified.  

Unless you were here reading all day, try not to judge or ridicule others.  It is rude. <please read the post I already posted a few pages back addressing this - RB>
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Answer: Teach him how to roll up into fetal position and hold out his wallet.

So FOM...would that mean if you and Mickey got married you would be "MICKEYS MONKEY"?? (Hey...for those of you who don't rememeber it is a SONG)  :lol:

Perhaps Ap exams were the previous week.

I may be able to help. If you read the "fine print" at the bottom of the schedule, it says that if a student took an AP test, it would substitute for a final. Could the AP (Advanced Placement/College credit) exam have been on Monday the 30th? The fine print implies that it was at an earlier time.

mickey doesn't know, deepak does.  now, has he told the cops what happened?  paul says he has.

well, imo, the media now knows he is probably involved in this case, and has an agenda to find Natalee. He should have done the morally correct thing and made his son help find the girl, or at least been honest about the HI lie.He placed himself in the media's lens.

How do they know the guy didn't live down there? why would he have to be on the same return flight they were on? Maybe he went on to south america. Who is the one saying he's missing anyway? And how would the average person know he's missing? Did this come from the FBI?

Iquitos

Heres a link that shows deepak and satish.  Near the bottom.

It also shows Joran next to Robert Chambers preppy murder and they look alot alike LOL

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html

Who   Blonde American girl    
What  Deliver in drugged state to beach
Why   you figure it out
When  2:00 AM, May 31
Where Fishermen's Huts
How Much  A lot

It's been out there all the time. Some people just don't want to think it could happen. But the farther we go the more I think it could be so.

Mitzi, you are right anything could have happened.  And (IMO) these 17 year olds seem to be a little more "street smart" there than they are here, so maybe they could be involved in something like this.

Who knows!!

Deepak told mickey he believed that NH would show up at crackhouse...that lie was agreed to because brothers believed she would turn up soon.

I think ya gotta accept that Jr. got to school etc,etc,etc!

I d say in order to make that work you would have to constantly have birddogs going to and fro the plane, so that would be suspicious and costly...since it would be costly you d have to kidnap an American tourist Oh, at least monthly..... however if there was a plant at the hotel then now you got something going..a front desk that checks the people in, knows arrival time and departure...looks for profile that fits profiel du jour, and contacts the facilatator...

My interpretation is that Deepak said "family" and did not specify. Since Anita was out of the country, it seems reasonable to assume that in this case "family" refers to Paulus and Joran.

But what difference does it make? The conversation as related by Deepak did not include information about what happened to Natalee, or where she is now.

There is no proof that anybody at the school made any comment about drowning, It is a rumour.

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and I appreciated your reply, K.  :D

From RWV:

THIS IS HUGE! GREAT JUST DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE SECURITY GUARD AND HE STATED THAT DEPAK TOLD HIM THAT THE THREE OF THEM SAT WITH PVDS AND CAME UP WIHT THE STORY ABOUT WHERE THEY SAID THEY DROPPED OFF NATALEE!

Posted by: Justin T | June 28, 2005 07:14 PM

 think the only one being honest here is the security guard.They had plenty of time to converse while in jail and I beleave everything he is saying.No doubt Paulus and the 3 boys discussed all of this well before going to jail and he confirms that..The brother admitted they lied to him before they admitted that to authorities.If they were so innocent why would they keep saying "dont say anything"to natalies mom.Why would they lie and say they dropped her off?You would think jonas would be more helpfull considering he was the last one to see her.I pray they find natalie so these people can find justice..

Posted by: ******* | June 28, 2005 08:08 PM

I want to know why the security guard that was doing all this talking to Deepak in jail, when he was released and telling his story, Why he didn't bother to mention Deepak told him Mr VDS was involved in the plan????? So now he can just tell Greta on Tv??

Posted by: AtlJoie | June 28, 2005 09:44 PM

By the way Mitzi, to respond, just click "quote" in the upper right hand corner

.....BANNANA JUNKY.....this is gettin way 2 funky!

LOL. he'd probably do that when confronted. Thanks prof for the advice.

I have always hoped that he would do the right thing.

He thinks I'm crazy for following this case. I think because he feels he would never get himself into that position, but we all know as parents, it can happen to anyone.

Now he says family, he doesn't know who in family, but that father was involved in story.
But he did not say this on two video interviews when he was first released and was telling his story about Deepak conversation......that is my point

And remember ol Papa kept a real low profile as long as he could in the early on! Sotaspeak!

You are wrong there, I heard Jug say the school official told him that.

ROFLMAO!

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

He said "family" today, but previously, when released, he said "the three."  I remember that very distinctly.

Thanks Ellasmom!!!

Although faculty probably gets reduced tution, I would be surprised if it was totally free.  I have taught in private schools and it is rare for it to be free since other teachers see that as extra compensation.

High school tuition was listed at over 12,000 American dollars.  Family has two in high school.  Monetessori elementary was less, but I seem  remember it was 10,000.  That is a ton of mony.  


Interesting for a middle income family.

Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??

Like the Jimmy Buffet song says " Running from the IRS."  :lol:  :lol:

Sorry if I might have misquoted the time.  I just heard around 6:00.  Could very well have been 6:40.  I will pay more attention next time for time line purposes.  In this case, time lines are very important, I've learned.  I'm still learning how to be a good SM!    :)