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Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 06:09:52 AM
Shango speech.
Dirty Hand does not go there for pleasure = work
Mary- not a virgin =Natalee and The poem Mary had a little lamb
yellow pavers = lead to oz
David in the lions den = see Dirty hand above
Cowboys accepting peacepipe= working with LE

anyone else?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: Just me on June 30, 2005, 06:34:54 AM
Could we get all the messages Shango wrote in this topic too?
I can't find them at all, and as curious as I am I do want to read those :)


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: Just me on June 30, 2005, 06:48:43 AM
Found them  8) , this is the link:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191#comments


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 07:41:22 AM
!! I didn't have that page!


DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

there will be 46 sacrifices
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm

The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders



46!!! Shango's numbers are 4 and 6 there will be another fesitival starting soon 20 days of prep. and it's called Shango's Festival.

There are normally sacrifices most times chickens.... But the 46th sacrifice I think that is a threat.

The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat

#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm

The shivas knew the girl

the arawaks new the girl

and the babylonians still know the girl



if this is correct and Shango is not a prankster then the locals/native people have her. He said the sacrificial offering would not be scapegoat=Joran


Title: Shango
Post by: vms on June 30, 2005, 10:52:29 AM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1193


Title: Shango
Post by: vms on June 30, 2005, 11:02:28 AM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1202

Dirty Hand - Police Commissioner
Interesting since today we here he will be retired by the middle of July.

Any speculation on who Shango might be?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: Kristin-SC on June 30, 2005, 11:04:34 AM
new hammer and block = new judge = pvds


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 11:08:14 AM
I think the new hammer and block was the judge that flew over to the island.. they were expecting someone from the Hague to come, instead they kept it fairly "local" and that's what the disagreement was about between Simian and Shango.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: vms on June 30, 2005, 11:14:32 AM
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

The singing card can not be played

The cowboys would circle the wagons

The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice

light the fires

the gods are talking


Singing card - DJ?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 11:15:48 AM
Shango also say the King of the Arawak is more concerned about his Wampum = treaty
and he will not help the cowboys in the search, because what they want (NH) is trivial to him.

Who is Shango?
easy answer.
Shango is the god of thunder and lightening. He is the divine magistrate,
the protector of the downtrodden and "the breaker" of the wicked and
the unjust. He is Jakuta, the stone thrower and owner of the thunder
stone" ( neolithic celts that are believed to fall from the sky). He is Obakoso,
the immortal king of Koso.He is the emblem of virility and courage. Shango
has a double claim to fame", says Geoffrey Parrinder; " he is the god of thunder
and also one of the early legendary kings of Oyo". Maureen Warner -Lewis , a
specialist in African and comparative Afro -Caribbean cultures, says the people
from the kingdom of Oyo "were promiently represented among the enslaved
Yoruba, and [that] the cult of Shango was an instutionalized state religion
throughout the Oyo Empire


and then you have the question... What is Shango?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 11:18:04 AM
no singing card- we are waiting for PVDS or Joran to sing... that card can't be played.
Dirtyhand is not a "native" and thus it holds no power over the Arwaks.


Title: Shango
Post by: vms on June 30, 2005, 11:18:29 AM
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist

that door to eden remains closed

until the house with the path

But not of gold

is entered


key to the Hague did not exist - No DNA found to link the father and/or others involved with the coverup?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 11:23:58 AM
the key to the hague does not exist... he was calling Simian out for his post.
the door to Eden... also spelled Edin = the gates of Babylon

interesting if you follow the history or myth of Babylon... legendary city that overlooked Edin.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 12:09:39 PM
June 30th, 2005 at 2:26 am

In your senseless rage you wave your sword recklessly

as such you would sever the limb even of a defender of the faith

If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!

Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

Believe.

When olorum speaks, lesser gods listen

but do not ask how it is they hear



Pretty much sums it up. Don't search for who he is. He is only a vessel of the gods. Which is why he ends most post with "the gods are speaking"
And I only searched for who he was as a way to understand what he was saying. I don't care who Shango is using to speak through.
Natalee may be a pawn and being used as leverage here to expose a much larger thing. IF and I repeat IF that is true. She is not Trivial!


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: MsVada on June 30, 2005, 12:19:42 PM
Shango was the fourth king of the Yorůbá, and deified after his death; mythologically, he (along with 14 others) burst forth from the goddess Yemaja's body after her son, Orungan, attempted to rape her for the second time.
 He has three wives; his favorite (because of her excellent cooking) is Oshun, a river goddess. Another wife, Oba, another river goddess, offered Shango her ear to eat. He scorned her and she became the Oba River, which combines in dangerous rapids with the Oshun River. Lastly, Oya was Shango's third wife, and stole the secrets of his powerful magic.

Could  Shango be PVDS??


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 12:33:45 PM
Shango is not a person... but a path. Much like the Physics who post in this thread as well.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: jennya on June 30, 2005, 12:48:54 PM
Gagirl, I have sent you an email, as the PM function is currently disabled.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 12:52:51 PM
jennya keeping an eye out for it, but so far nothing has came thru.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: jennya on June 30, 2005, 12:55:39 PM
I cut and pasted all of the posts from Shango, I have it put together in a Word document.  It is 37 pages long and therefore cannot be posted here.  IF Shango is true, this case is extremely disturbing.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 01:04:50 PM
Jennya, I first learned of Shango on the 27th and I have those messages. From the links provided this morning I have the 26th and also the 30th's.
Shango comes on while I am not online, I'm not a night owl so I have to back track and get his messages.

But I do know that Friday's are Shango's favorite days so he should be on then as well.

The picture he paints is not a pretty one, which is why I feel like if there is truth in what's being said he's right we are running out of time.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: jennya on June 30, 2005, 01:15:29 PM
From what I have read, his biggest message is DirtyHands.  This is the Police Cheif and I read last night that he is resigning.  Shango repeats that he is the weakest link and is the only one left that holds they key.  Time is definitely running out.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: MsVada on June 30, 2005, 01:27:54 PM
Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

Thanks :)


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: Just me on June 30, 2005, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

Thanks :)


I would like a copy too :wink:
jacy32@hotmail.com


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 01:46:22 PM
June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: RipVWinkle on June 30, 2005, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: "Just me"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

Thanks :)


I would like a copy too :wink:
jacy32@hotmail.com


If you could please send a copy to bizybodi@sbcglobal.net also?  pleeeeze!  I am a dedicated Shango deciphile


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: RipVWinkle on June 30, 2005, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.


They go to the raver houses (Presumably owned by the Dutch crime syndicate) where all the rich white kids get high.

Babylon=Dutch EU type people (as opposed to the native Arawak natives)


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.


I've been reading Shango's posts, too. He often alludes to the mysterious Lorenzo, and I think that's what he's doing in the above quote. I think he's saying that the younger generation of Dutch nationals often gets together and parties with the younger generation of Arubans, and the place where they meet up is at house parties, like the ones Lorenzo is reported to have.

I also think he's implied that Dirty Hand knows about these house parties and may have even been there--but he looks the other way, possibly because he's being paid off with money from drugs or other illegal pursuits.

I think Shango's message is found more broadly in the themes from his posts; I try not to get bogged down in deciphering some of the details, because the main message seems clear: the implications of this crime are far-reaching and extend to very high levels of Aruban government.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 02:01:47 PM
ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.


You make him cave by exposing his corruption, which seems to be what Shango is trying to do.

Where did Shango suggest that about the boat? I'm not on late at night either, so I have to go back and catch up in the daytime!


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: RipVWinkle on June 30, 2005, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.



Curious:  Note that there are reports of the dive boat "Octopuss" being unaccounted for.  It is missing from it's usual mooring spot in front of the HI.  

Also (mysteriously)  web pages, logs, and other documents referencing this boat have been taken down &/or deleted.  (reportedly that is)


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 02:14:25 PM
I guess I took boat... from this line

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power.

And knowing that they report that all boat traffic is monitored on the island coming and going. It would be in the Police Cheif's "power" to know that. I reached that conclusion, I admit there are other options.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
I guess I took boat... from this line

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power.

And knowing that they report that all boat traffic is monitored on the island coming and going. It would be in the Police Cheif's "power" to know that. I reached that conclusion, I admit there are other options.


That's an understandable analysis. I think this line also supports it:

"DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left"


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 02:29:27 PM
#  Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”


And this one... a bouy is normally in water.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
#  Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”


And this one... a bouy is normally in water.


When I read that, I took it to mean that the boys and Natalee never went to the beach (as they claimed at one point), but went to an ecstacy party instead. In the post before this, he said, "Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles." I inferred that the beach story was a lie, and the people who saw Natalee and the boys=="the men who play dice and 'roll'" can attest to it.

It's pretty interesting how different people can attribute entirely different meanings into the same phrases--I think that's the beauty of Shango's posts, though--they make us think.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 02:43:11 PM
right and i took sandcastles to mean the Hotels on the beach. And who actually built them.. meaning .. they aren't built by the shiva's (Hindu) or the Babylonians.

he says the gamblers know...


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: MsVada on June 30, 2005, 03:11:14 PM
and if Mary is indeed NH, and she never heard the buoy toll, I take that to mean she was already passed out/drugged on the boat that could have left in the wee hours of the morning.  

I never doubted she could have been on a boat that left,  so what about the radars,  we have radars here in the coastal waters where I am,  just because its tracked, doesn't mean its going to be made public knowledge.....Its so easy to just delete a recorded radar log.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 03:12:58 PM
yep but then wouldn't you have a blank spot in the log if you deleted it?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: MsVada on June 30, 2005, 03:19:39 PM
not if its on a computer....just reprint the page after deletion.  maybe it isnt even recorded anywhere.....

Hey,  Does anybody know much about the Octopus boat,  like what kind of a boat it is and such.  I thought I read someplace it was registered out of New Hampshire......


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
not if its on a computer....just reprint the page after deletion.  maybe it isnt even recorded anywhere.....

Hey,  Does anybody know much about the Octopus boat,  like what kind of a boat it is and such.  I thought I read someplace it was registered out of New Hampshire......


The Octopus is a trimaran owned by Jethro Gesterkamp, a native of Holland. The only engine on the boat is on the small dinghy, the Squid.

There was a Web site for the boat but it no longer works:

http://www.octopus-aruba.com/

Follow this link and scroll to the bottom of the page for a picture of the Octopus:

http://www.arubabound.com/image/lg/bch/plmbch1_4.htm#f

Sorry this has been edited so many times, but I kept finding out more info!


Title: Shango's message?
Post by: vms on June 30, 2005, 03:41:32 PM
Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.
He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


watcher Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on
WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian
His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

I still wonder if there was no DNA  - therefore no others will have to be linked to the crime/coverup. I think BlueKyGirl and I may be reading the clues the same way but the message seems crystal clear from early this AM. If media pressure is not applied, Natalee's disappearance will be explained by sacrificing one or all of the three currently in custody and we will never know the whole story and how deep the governmental corruption is in Aruba. Will Natalee ever be found? I have to wonder if the dog permit delay for the Texas team was a ruse to allow time to make sure Natalee would never being found. I hope and pray not.

I cannot decide if Shango is legit or if he/she is a master manipulator. I just want that child back home where she belongs! Furthermore, if indeed Aruba is this corrupt, I would think we need to know so we can make educated travel decisions.

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Shango's message?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: "vms"
Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.
He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


watcher Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on
WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian
His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

I still wonder if there was no DNA  - therefore no others will have to be linked to the crime/coverup. I think BlueKyGirl and I may be reading the clues the same way but the message seems crystal clear from early this AM. If media pressure is not applied, Natalee's disappearance will be explained by sacrificing one or all of the three currently in custody and we will never know the whole story and how deep the governmental corruption is in Aruba. Will Natalee ever be found? I have to wonder if the dog permit delay for the Texas team was a ruse to allow time to make sure Natalee would never being found. I hope and pray not.

I cannot decide if Shango is legit or if he/she is a master manipulator. I just want that child back home where she belongs! Furthermore, if indeed Aruba is this corrupt, I would think we need to know so we can make educated travel decisions.

Any thoughts?


I have reservations about Shango, too--but whether or not he's just messing with everyone, at least he's making us think outside the box.

I also thought that the key he was referring to was DNA evidence. He alluded in other posts to the fact that if the "cowboys" didn't find the "loot" in a certain timeframe, it never would be found. (I hate to think that law enforcement was stalling so that the evidence could be covered up). I think the loot he's referring to is evidence, and Eden is another word for the truth. Evidence is the ONLY key that will expose the far-reaching corruption.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 04:03:02 PM
I have to agree. thank ya'll for throwing around your ideas as well.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: BlueKyGirl on June 30, 2005, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: "gagirl"
they have moved the board check your emails. everything is lost after 1:45 on the new board.


I'm confused--what board? Were our comments lost, or were Shango's comments lost?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: gagirl on June 30, 2005, 04:12:46 PM
nope it was me being on the wrong board :oops:  they will move it tonight I think it was said.


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: KV123 on June 30, 2005, 04:19:58 PM
Can I get a copy of Shango's entries also?


Title: Are there any CodeTalkers here?
Post by: may on June 30, 2005, 04:44:24 PM
Shango is saying the media really need to investigate and dig up stuff about why the polis chief is leaving. The light needs to shine in that direction and not for everyone to say: oh good! he is leaving, he was corrupt and leave it at that.