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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 08:15:24 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 15, 2007, 09:17:55 PM
:o


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2007, 09:30:27 PM
Off to read and then to bed....thanks to all who are making this possible....
no one has mentioned if this new information is irritating any of the ones who are usually irritated about everything.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 09:30:34 PM
*******
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 15 Apr 2007

 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject:    

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Dayhiker wrote:
******* wrote:
6:30 AM cell phone call to Steve Croes is very very interesting people!!



Didn't Tito verify it was from one of the Van der Sloot phones, but not whether the call was from PVDS or JVDS?


No idea..I would love to know more though!!!!!!!
_________________


*******, what is most telling is that both PVDS and JVDS deny knowing Steve Croes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
:o


Klaas: She cheated!! Should be minus 100 posts for that :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 15, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
Made it .   My what a nice clean cage.  Too bad I hear Mr Sandman calling my name.  TTYT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 15, 2007, 09:34:58 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Made it .   My what a nice clean cage.  Too bad I hear Mr Sandman calling my name.  TTYT


Nite, SF. Sweet dreams.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
*******
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 15 Apr 2007

 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject:    

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Dayhiker wrote:
******* wrote:
6:30 AM cell phone call to Steve Croes is very very interesting people!!



Didn't Tito verify it was from one of the Van der Sloot phones, but not whether the call was from PVDS or JVDS?


No idea..I would love to know more though!!!!!!!
_________________


*******, what is most telling is that both PVDS and JVDS deny knowing Steve Croes.


I am almost speachless if this is a fact!! Shows how much they were playing everybody when he came up with that fake alibi!!!

It could have been freddy or someone else at that house at 6:30 AM if the call was made at the VDS home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
*******
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 15 Apr 2007

 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject:    

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Dayhiker wrote:
******* wrote:
6:30 AM cell phone call to Steve Croes is very very interesting people!!



Didn't Tito verify it was from one of the Van der Sloot phones, but not whether the call was from PVDS or JVDS?


No idea..I would love to know more though!!!!!!!
_________________


*******, what is most telling is that both PVDS and JVDS deny knowing Steve Croes.


I am almost speachless if this is a fact!! Shows how much they were playing everybody when he came up with that fake alibi!!!

It could have been freddy or someone else at that house at 6:30 AM if the call was made at the VDS home.



Somebody knew Steve Croes calling from a VDS phone. D & K were supposed to be home at that hour, so that leaves Joran, Paulus, and whoever else who was helping dispose of a body around 6:30 that morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 15, 2007, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
:o


Klaas: She cheated!! Should be minus 100 posts for that :D

 I did not cheat. It was all a happy accident. So there ! First time I was ever first. Whoo Hoo  ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 09:41:42 PM
It is MIND-BOGGLING how much info has gone through here over 2 years' time. The problem is that we can't tell what is true and what isn't. I would love to put great stock in the 6:30 AM possible call from JVDS to Steve Croes, but I consider the source (unRiehl) and I tend to dismiss it as factual.

LOL how at first I considered unRiehl to be the factual site and came upon SM secondly... and thought it was more "gossipy". That was of course before unRiehl got turned by AHATA and Steve Yuhas and others of that ilk.

It's also a little unsettling to me to see all the names of the former Monkeys who have moved on and left us. How sad it is that many are on the refugees and the hate sites now, having also swung due to Aruba lies and propaganda.

I miss those first days. I miss Dash and the others from MB who regularly updated us. For all the newbies, Dash is the poster "---" and she is a MBHS girl who graduated with Natalee. She was on Fox several times.

I have had those posts archived personally since then... I just haven't had time to look at them for a LONG while. So much has changed, has come and gone, and we are still left with the 3 guys and a blurry timeline and a BOATLOAD of lies and coverup and propaganda and stupidity.

I can tell y'all have been having FUN with those old posts!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 15, 2007, 09:42:05 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Off to read and then to bed....thanks to all who are making this possible....
no one has mentioned if this new information is irritating any of the ones who are usually irritated about everything.... :wink:


Personally, I hope it chaps their a$$


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: "*******"


I am almost speachless if this is a fact!! Shows how much they were playing everybody when he came up with that fake alibi!!!

It could have been freddy or someone else at that house at 6:30 AM if the call was made at the VDS home.



Truth is coming out, that's why the Slooters are freaking out and telling wild stories right now. Something will happen before Beth's book comes out IMO. They have to or they will suffer tremendous embarassment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 09:46:01 PM
A lot of the recent grumbling and carping from renfro and her cadre of lying vixens is be done as a pre-emptive strike against Beth's book, IMO.

That book could RATTLE SOME CAGES

Tonight for some reason, I feel like we are getting "warmer" for the first time in a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 09:46:43 PM
I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 09:50:36 PM
Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 09:50:38 PM
Did anyone notice I was over in the last cage banging my head against the door? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!  No one even missed me.  :roll:


How could PVDS be the 5th suspect when it is evident the 5th was in custody on or before June 17th?  Any ideas?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Did anyone notice I was over in the last cage banging my head against the door? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!  No one even missed me.  :roll:


How could PVDS be the 5th suspect when it is evident the 5th was in custody on or before June 17th?  Any ideas?


Good point, he couldnt be.  I believe Lorenzo is the 5th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 09:54:52 PM
The Big Black Hole... the time period from 4 AM to 6:30 AM.

Whatever happened THEN is the key to the case.

IF Joran had just left Natalee on the beach, he is snoozing sweetly at home in that timeframe. The evidence is overwhelming that he was doing NO SUCH THING.

We can have some confidence that PVDS made SOME kind of run to the hotels area at 4 AM and made an ATM withdrawal. The phone call and the schoolbus ride-vs.-no-ride at 6:30 speak of hasty and scrambled events of confusion and near-panic.

Between those two points... the key to the case.

There are software programs that add in missing pixels and interpolate info to retouch pictures and the like. We don't have that here, but we can figure out that JVDS and PVDS were involved in a VERY confused scenario  in that 2 1/2 hour timeframe. That ain't what folks do who are INNOCENT. They are snuggled in bed at that hour.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..


Steve Croes was TOLD to provide that alibi for Deepak and others.  Lorenzo knew enough on this guy, after all, he most likely had the drug connections with Lorenzo as supplier.  JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: "sb"
A lot of the recent grumbling and carping from renfro and her cadre of lying vixens is be done as a pre-emptive strike against Beth's book, IMO.

That book could RATTLE SOME CAGES

Tonight for some reason, I feel like we are getting "warmer" for the first time in a while.



Agree SB. There are some who don't want what Beth knows to come out and will do everything they can to diffuse it. Unfortunate for them that last attempt was one big bellyflop. If anything it just knocked Aruba's tourism another rung down the ladder.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..

I agree.  Deepak had Steve's number in his cell phone.  That was confirmed by Dave.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 15, 2007, 09:59:49 PM
I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.



There has been speculation that Steve provided JVDS the date rape drug and he was pulled in to cover all their asses. Po Steve, they forget to let him in on the change in storyline.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
klaasend



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: "shakey" SoCal      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject:    

Another K in Texas wrote:
Or at least give us a running summary. I could get in back when that group was at yahoo, but not once they moved to msn.



I think the only thing said so far that we didn't know for sure before is the guys name, Steve Greg Croes.


I think you were referring to the 4th suspect here...right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 15, 2007, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse


Don't be sorry - I thought it was funny. (And a good plan for weight loss.  :lol: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.


Could be...Keep in mind that it was a monday and most everyone had to be somewhere..Even though Satish never went to school,Joran slept in school all day and we know nothing about PVDS. DId paulus show up to work late that day or miss work?? If Steve was at C&C,its possible he could have been at this pimp party or Deepak knew that he was available and getting off work early in the AM. I would like to know exactly where the call came from and how long the call was and when Steve got off work?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 15, 2007, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 15, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/295_10.php


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
klaasend



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: "shakey" SoCal      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject:    

Another K in Texas wrote:
Or at least give us a running summary. I could get in back when that group was at yahoo, but not once they moved to msn.



I think the only thing said so far that we didn't know for sure before is the guys name, Steve Greg Croes.


I think you were referring to the 4th suspect here...right?


Yes, Steve Croes has been referred to as the 4th suspect many times at this point in the case (looking through the archives).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:08:54 PM
Thanks Klaas, just clarifying that.  I know some of us have considered Freddy as the 4th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/295_10.php


Anna - that's pretty close to Aruba but they still may not have felt it:

5.0
Date-Time Monday, July 16, 2007 at 01:32:19 (UTC)
= Coordinated Universal Time
Sunday, July 15, 2007 at 9:32:19 PM
= local time at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
 
Location 10.695°N, 62.387°W
Depth 101.6 km (63.1 miles) set by location program
Region SUCRE, VENEZUELA
Distances 10 km (5 miles) NNW of Guiria, Venezuela
95 km (60 miles) E of Carupano, Venezuela
95 km (60 miles) W of PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad
495 km (310 miles) E of CARACAS, Venezuela
 
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 7.2 km (4.5 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters Nst=110, Nph=110, Dmin=409.8 km, Rmss=0.9 sec, Gp= 68°,
M-type=body magnitude (Mb), Version=6  
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
 
Event ID us2007ewag

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/eqvenezuela.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 15, 2007, 10:12:47 PM
Klaas,

I was thinking more in terms of the search and things being uncovered or covered by seismic activity.  And giving a sort of BOLO as these sometimes come in clusters.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.


Could be...Keep in mind that it was a monday and most everyone had to be somewhere..Even though Satish never went to school,Joran slept in school all day and we know nothing about PVDS. DId paulus show up to work late that day or miss work?? If Steve was at C&C,its possible he could have been at this pimp party or Deepak knew that he was available and getting off work early in the AM. I would like to know exactly where the call came from and how long the call was and when Steve got off work?

I have always believed that Joran never went to school that day and I also believe that Deepak didn't go to work.  After what they did the night before no one was going to work or school.  They were all covering their tracks the next day.  I believe it was Paulus who said Joran might not have went to school the next day and I would guarantee that he did not leave Joran alone for one second because his son has a big mouth.  Joran was either with Paulus or he was hiding at someone house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:13:42 PM
DJTAYLOR



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: MIAMI, FL      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:14 pm    Post subject:    

westcoastguy wrote:
They're reporting this S.G. (Steve Creows) as being in the bar business in the hotel zone?

oh my god this guy is my friend STEVE CROEWS
tell me more that you know of this please



Now who would this poster be?  Anone have any idea?  I will tell you this, the poster is female...I am very sure about this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Klaas,

I was thinking more in terms of the search and things being uncovered or covered by seismic activity.  And giving a sort of BOLO as these sometimes come in clusters.

.


Good point Anna.  Hope more gets uncovered.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 10:15:10 PM
Hii Anna, good to see that everything is getting better with your son!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 15, 2007, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DJTAYLOR



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: MIAMI, FL      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:14 pm    Post subject:    

westcoastguy wrote:
They're reporting this S.G. (Steve Creows) as being in the bar business in the hotel zone?

oh my god this guy is my friend STEVE CROEWS
tell me more that you know of this please



Now who would this poster be?  Anone have any idea?  I will tell you this, the poster is female...I am very sure about this.


I don't know, Lala's, but that's the same person I quoted earlier today as saying there were reports that Natalee's dad had connections to the White House.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Thanks Klaas, just clarifying that.  I know some of us have considered Freddy as the 4th.

I have always considered Freddy the 4th suspect.  He seems to be protected just as much as Guido.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:16:55 PM
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject:    

DJ TAYLOR i think it really is him im tryign to ccll his cel now but no answer! do you think?? oh my goodness! I hope its not him!



Seems everyone knows Steve.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
You can dismiss any and all innuendo about Natalee's dad and the White House. Dave Holloway is an insurance agent and Jug is an assistant manager of a metal fabrication company. That stuff was just more alternative-cocaine-influenced reality from some hate-America-hate-Bush Aruban wannabe poster.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject:    

DJ TAYLOR i think it really is him im tryign to ccll his cel now but no answer! do you think?? oh my goodness! I hope its not him!



Seems everyone knows Steve.


Yes Americaninaruba and DJTaylor both knew Steve Croes.  They were shocked when it turned out to be him detained.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:22:50 PM
Dallas Also



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Dallas      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject:    

DJTAYLOR, this was posted previously, so can you go run the video on FOXNEWS.COM and see if the Steve Croews there is the one you know?

To quote the previous post:

Foxnews.com in the video part for "4Th person arrested" does show a pic--not complete, but a pic of the 26 yr old man--very slender looking, dark hair.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 15, 2007, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Hii Anna, good to see that everything is getting better with your son!


Thank you, SB,

Will just take time I suppose.  Bad day to have a wreck with surgery already scheduled and this being the only time he could take off from school to have it.

Lots of browsing through the new old archives going on I see.


Can't wait for the new forum.  Sounds exciting.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:24:28 PM
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:37 pm    Post subject:    

tarmand wrote:
Another Steve Croes in Aruba:

http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

Third Picture from the bottom on the right.

Also, I'm not saying that the websites I'm posting are for the right guy. I'm just looking for websites so that we can see them before they are removed - IF they belong the the arrested individual.



YES THATST HE ONE I KNOW! OH MY GOODNESS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:28:15 PM
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Steve   

iquitos wrote:
Now, is Steve the Dutch guy who works at the Marriot Beach son of the deceased car dealer? Or is that Lorenzo? This Steve does not look Dutch to me.



Steve is the one whe THINK is the S.D.C. taht was arrested this mornign at 6am.....me and DJTAYLOR suspect that its an old freind of ours......taht we knew from curacao.....when shelived tehir.......but we dont know if it s really him but al theclues match lets see well keeop you postde...he works ont he party boat Tattoo you can google it Tattoo Party
 BOats



Didn't we have a Curacao connection at some point?  Gosh, I wish my memory was better.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 15, 2007, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"



Didn't we have a Curacao connection at some point?  Gosh, I wish my memory was better.  :roll:


Yes... if I recall that is where his mom lives... remember she flew over to be with him?  I think she was even interviewed. For some reason I am also thinking that Steve's ex wife lives in Curacao also.  Not sure where that memory came from but these old posts are jogging some cob webs loose.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:35:58 PM
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: RUMOR CONTROL   

iquitos wrote:
NOW, WHAT IS HE, SON OF DECEASED BUSINESSMAN, OR SON OF POLITICIAN? magnumsgirl wrote:
This was posted on Free Republic site

"Chief Justice Rudy Croes
This is interesting....he has been on t.v. as a spokesman representing the Gov't investigation. Even interviewed by Geraldo."

Latest arrest - Father said to be a Gvt. official





Rudy has a 26 year old DAUGHTER that is married and lives in the US & 2 sons in Aua the oldest is 12yrs old


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: "sb"
You can dismiss any and all innuendo about Natalee's dad and the White House. Dave Holloway is an insurance agent and Jug is an assistant manager of a metal fabrication company. That stuff was just more alternative-cocaine-influenced reality from some hate-America-hate-Bush Aruban wannabe poster.



What's left? Are they going to produce another crackhead witness that says a spaceship came down and picked her up on the beach right where Joran left her? They have pretty much exhausted the till.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "*******"
Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..


Steve Croes was TOLD to provide that alibi for Deepak and others.  Lorenzo knew enough on this guy, after all, he most likely had the drug connections with Lorenzo as supplier.  JMO

I agree with that since SGC and LVR are both 28 yrs old. That or he was called by Deepak. I'M not convinced that the Van Der Sloots knew Steve Croes. Joran was just a 17 yr old kid and if he knew SGC it had to be through Deepak or LVR


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:43:59 PM
Now this post is interesting...

da wench



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: California      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject:    

From The Riehl World:

"I am a clerk at the station down here.. Steve Cruze's criminal file shows detailed history of assault/battery charges against women (and one unlawful touching) all of them dropped though with help of a clever Aruban lawyer, Barton Van Tripp. His family is very wealthy, owns the newspaper down here.. these three guys were 'runners' for Cruze so maybe that's why they aren't singing."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 15, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
Anna,I am glad the family is getting better,son isn't.The spaceship came by earlier,and it did not have anyone,but Tom C.Several great Plaugues,hmm.Earthquakes,TB,Dengue fever,etc/Hmm  Croes children live where?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"




Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: RUMOR CONTROL   

iquitos wrote:

Rudy has a 26 year old DAUGHTER that is married and lives in the US & 2 sons in Aua the oldest is 12yrs old


I thought Paulus said in a interview he was at the residence of Rudy Croes to teach his daughter..I guess its possible she was in from the U.S. and wanted to learn something from PVDS about dutch law.. :? No doubt in my mind that PVDS knew him well and Rudy pulled alot of strings in this coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
Robert J



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: "5th person" = an apparent witness   

"5th person" = an apparent witness

VIDEO: FOX News

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?061705/usworld_aruba_061705&FNL&Fourth%20Person%20Held%20in%20Disappearance&acc&U.S.%20%26%20World&-1&new


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 15, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Why the US.Oh,I am sorry to keep her safe from pimps.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 15, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Now this post is interesting...

da wench



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: California      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject:    

From The Riehl World:

"I am a clerk at the station down here.. Steve Cruze's criminal file shows detailed history of assault/battery charges against women (and one unlawful touching) all of them dropped though with help of a clever Aruban lawyer, Barton Van Tripp. His family is very wealthy, owns the newspaper down here.. these three guys were 'runners' for Cruze so maybe that's why they aren't singing."



Woah! That last line is a killer. Maybe DEA was in on the gang before NH got there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 10:53:14 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"




Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: RUMOR CONTROL   

iquitos wrote:

Rudy has a 26 year old DAUGHTER that is married and lives in the US & 2 sons in Aua the oldest is 12yrs old


I thought Paulus said in a interview he was at the residence of Rudy Croes to teach his daughter..I guess its possible she was in from the U.S. and wanted to learn something from PVDS about dutch law.. :? No doubt in my mind that PVDS knew him well and Rudy pulled alot of strings in this coverup.

Rudy's daughter is the same age as Lorenzo and Steve.

I agree Rudy pulled a lot of strings and made a verbal threat to a grieving mom saying he was going to shut her up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:54:16 PM
NativeLingo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject:    

CaliGirl wrote:
Lorenzo? I could be wrong but wasn't there an interview O'Reily did a former friend of Joran's last name Lorenzo? I will have to go check btu I swear I saw it last night in some notes on his transcript interviews?? ANyone know?



I don't know if his name is Lorenzo or not...
But from the very beginning "the son of an ex Vwagen dealer" was somehow involved..... He was the first one mentioned..



Now for those who may know who Native Lingo is...this makes sense that she (yes I said she) would have access to know Lorenzo was mentioned from the very beginning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "*******"


I am almost speachless if this is a fact!! Shows how much they were playing everybody when he came up with that fake alibi!!!

It could have been freddy or someone else at that house at 6:30 AM if the call was made at the VDS home.



Truth is coming out, that's why the Slooters are freaking out and telling wild stories right now. Something will happen before Beth's book comes out IMO. They have to or they will suffer tremendous embarassment.


Has anyone else pre-ordered Beth's book?  I ordered mine three days ago along with the other one "For Natalie, a Community of Love"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"




Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: RUMOR CONTROL   

iquitos wrote:

Rudy has a 26 year old DAUGHTER that is married and lives in the US & 2 sons in Aua the oldest is 12yrs old


I thought Paulus said in a interview he was at the residence of Rudy Croes to teach his daughter..I guess its possible she was in from the U.S. and wanted to learn something from PVDS about dutch law.. :? No doubt in my mind that PVDS knew him well and Rudy pulled alot of strings in this coverup.


What would a 26 year old with 2 kids need PVDS to teach them?  That was another lie...I bet she was still in Atlanta with her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 10:57:15 PM
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Don't feel bad, I was Magnificent when I left and I returned a Junkey. LOL  I think we are all marvelous, don't you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Yes, everyone looks great; nice and refreshed!
Don't feel bad, I was Magnificent when I left and I returned a Junkey. LOL  I think we are all marvelous, don't you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 15, 2007, 11:02:32 PM
I thought rumor had it (from someone on the rock) that Steve Croes & Lorenzo were good buddies


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 15, 2007, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Me too.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Maybee in 2-3 years you will get elevated to junkie status :wink: j/k I have no idea..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 15, 2007, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Klaas would know for sure, but I think we got restored to what we were at some particular point in time after one of the crashes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(

It looks like when Dugga added back the old archives it also added back the "titles" of those that were members way back then.  Probably because you were a member of the forum then.  I'm sure that will all change when we move to our new forum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 15, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
If the disposal of Natalee's body was done in international waters,
wouldn't that change things regarding who takes over?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
NativeLingo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:37 pm    Post subject:    

He is a KEY person (witness so far) and has been questioned before about the case....

Back to top               

   
Teo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:37 pm    Post subject:    

The person being hold now is a key person and must know more about the plans of any one who wanted to take Natalee ??


Not sure who they are talking about...I am guessing its Steve Croes, since that has been topic of conversation in this particular thread.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 15, 2007, 11:05:50 PM
B4 I go to bed..

Those who think Tim is hitting the bottle again..
Tim could never hit the "bottle" as hard as some of the so called reportes on One Lying Island.
Face it renho.. you could drink most sailors under the table!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 15, 2007, 11:05:51 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Me too.  :(


Oh wait! I just got elevated. I am so-o-o-o happy! Really. I have been here from nearly the beginning and even got banned once. Katysmom, I think you should be a MonkeyJunkey too, just on principle: Anybody who is still here is definitely a Junkey.  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: the big hammer on July 15, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
Steve Croes

Didn't one of the Kalpoe brothers PV's indicate that Steve Croes was in C&C's that nite: 5/29/05?

I think so:

Last week Friday my brother told me that the man Steve had seen us when we dropped off Natalee Holloway that night at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother Deepak told me that Steve had said to him that he had seen us. I myself do not know Steve. My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel. I don't personally know Steve. I have never seen Steve. According to my brother Steve had told him that he had dropped off people at the Holiday Inn on Monday May 30th at approximately 01.45 hours. My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that Steve also had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee.

Satish June 10 2005 PV
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=216

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:06:16 PM
Teo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject:    

Lived for several years at Curacaou, fathre is arubian, mother is from curacao

Yep Teo and Native Lingo are talking about the 4th suspect...Steve.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 11:08:06 PM
I just stopped in to see if any major breakthroughs had happened.  My Ambien is kicking in and I should go to bed before I start shopping.  Some people drive while in an Ambien stupor, or do some midnight eating, I go shopping on the internet.  A few days later the UPS man started delivering my a bunch of jewelry.  I finally checked my emails and saw that I had a delivery confirmation from a jewelry store with a total of $2,000.  I don't wear jewelry other than my wedding ring!   I've hidden the stuff I bought and pray Ken doesn't find it.  The last time before this I ordered kitchen gadgets like strainers, meas. cups and spoons, can opner, etc...I had no relocection of doing it until they were delivered.  What sucked was just the day before we had gone to Target and bought all that stuff in the store.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 15, 2007, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject:    

DJ TAYLOR i think it really is him im tryign to ccll his cel now but no answer! do you think?? oh my goodness! I hope its not him!



Seems everyone knows Steve.


Yes Americaninaruba and DJTaylor both knew Steve Croes.  They were shocked when it turned out to be him detained.


and wasn't DJ a cousin of "friends of monkeys"  I think that is her name.  massage therapist from New York, and friend to Mickey John??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 11:09:57 PM
Katysmom - Look under your name now  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:10:07 PM
iquitos



Joined: 28 Apr 2006
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: radio   

radio also confirmed lorenzo questioned but not detained.


I know you guys are getting tired of me doing this, but it's just so easy now after all this time to make the pieces fit.  Shango knew...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
If the disposal of Natalee's body was done in international waters,
wouldn't that change things regarding who takes over?


I would think so!! I believe anything 3 miles out is open waters and they could bring her remains right back to the U.S.A...Wouldnt change the case though except who examines her remains..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:12:36 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(



look agian.. it happens when you hit a certain number of posts...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Klaas would know for sure, but I think we got restored to what we were at some particular point in time after one of the crashes.


Oh, so I was always a nobody?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 11:13:34 PM
I'm a junky!  Yippee!  My life is now complete :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
iquitos



Joined: 28 Apr 2006
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: radio   

radio also confirmed lorenzo questioned but not detained.


I know you guys are getting tired of me doing this, but it's just so easy now after all this time to make the pieces fit.  Shango knew...


I dont at all..Anything of relevance to Lorenzo please post it in the Racejunkies thread..I think we have the 16th locked up pretty good that they detained him in savaneta and questioned him...I believe they did the same thing the first week NH went missing and then again the 28th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 15, 2007, 11:15:30 PM
I'm off to bed now.  Nite everyone!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
americaninaruba



Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject:    

DJ TAYLOR i think it really is him im tryign to ccll his cel now but no answer! do you think?? oh my goodness! I hope its not him!



Seems everyone knows Steve.


Yes Americaninaruba and DJTaylor both knew Steve Croes.  They were shocked when it turned out to be him detained.


and wasn't DJ a cousin of "friends of monkeys"  I think that is her name.  massage therapist from New York, and friend to Mickey John??


FOM is a massage therapist and she was a frined of Mickey John/// Love her.. great person... I was thinking of her today!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 11:17:33 PM
Nite Katysmom


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:17:35 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm off to bed now.  Nite everyone!



Nite Katy's mom...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 15, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
I still can't upload my Avatar.  :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 11:22:06 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
I still can't upload my Avatar.  :?:


Wreck - you can still do it from photobucket by pasting the url in the third option.  From your PC your avatar might be too big.  I believe when you upload from your PC it needs to be no larger than 100x100.

If you want you can email it to me and I'll fix it for you:

smklaasend@hotmail.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:22:18 PM
I find it interesting how the tune regarding Lorenzo changed over the course of time.  

I agree with what you said earlier today San, about Native Lingo and ArubaGirl changing due to the Bondias... wonder if one was Anita who could now be Medley?


ANNA> good news to hear son is on the mend.. keeping him and his dad in my prayers, I am sorry that I missed the original post.

ANg.. hoping you are better soon..

and thank you to whomever brought the article about the sex trade into the other thread, would you please post that in the crimes against children thread in the moldova article .. it just backs up the info that I posted about a friend of mine that travels there to work in orphanages..

sorry for putting this in one post.. just getting caught up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:25:04 PM
iquitos



Joined: 28 Apr 2006
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Rumor control: not son of justice official   

just lost another post. he is not the son of a justice official but the nephew of a retirted cop. he is from curacao, his mother is aruban, he lives on aruba with an uncle.


Was this poster living in Aruba? Anyone know?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I find it interesting how the tune regarding Lorenzo changed over the course of time.  

!


WOW Mrs.Red a multi purpose post..Well done!! Yes the tune changed very quickly about Lorenzo after June 17th. I noticed many of these locals never spoke of him again and he was kept out of the news just like Guido.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I find it interesting how the tune regarding Lorenzo changed over the course of time.  

!


WOW Mrs.Red a multi purpose post..Well done!! Yes the tune changed very quickly about Lorenzo after June 17th. I noticed many of these locals never spoke of him again and he was kept out of the news just like Guido.


I almost posted about how cool I think the truck commerical for GMC with the Genesis music and the decades was.. but I figured I would stop while I was ahead. :lol:  

Yes now that we are seeing just how the tune changes, I have to really rethink how I think he is involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 15, 2007, 11:30:37 PM
Steve Croes comes from a very wealthy family?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:30:59 PM
Lala's I think iquitos moved to the dark side? Still posts some there as well I think?

the fat rat appears to be back under his rock today, interesting.....

I do love hindsight and documentation, it bring so much LIGHT into those dark musty places  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 15, 2007, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
iquitos



Joined: 28 Apr 2006
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Rumor control: not son of justice official   

just lost another post. he is not the son of a justice official but the nephew of a retirted cop. he is from curacao, his mother is aruban, he lives on aruba with an uncle.


Was this poster living in Aruba? Anyone know?

Mexico, IIRC. Showed a familiarity with the Caribbean, could read Dutch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 15, 2007, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Lala's I think iquitos moved to the dark side? Still posts some there as well I think?

the fat rat appears to be back under his rock today, interesting.....

I do love hindsight and documentation, it bring so much LIGHT into those dark musty places  :lol:  :lol:
:smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Steve Croes comes from a very wealthy family?


didn't seem that way in the fox footage... I think Lorenzo is the one from a wealthy family.


None.. I hate, hate it when monkeys I really liked go to the dark side... :twisted:  and I don't understand that thought process.. but I guess I am happy that I don't have to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 15, 2007, 11:36:37 PM
With Lorenzo's arrest, he has come back into the case. I for one thought that he was a dead-end street and totally irrelevant. Putting him back into the case has made the beginning emphasis on him seem much more credible now.

I look at the early posts and think about S and S (they who must not be named) and now the picture seems clearer. I am thinking that they went to VDS home and Joran sent K2 off. THEN the events happened, and Joran's call for a ride to Deepak was just a cover for where he was. I think too that he, or he and dad, took Natalee to someplace like Lorenzo's compound. I am thinking there is where "it" happened. Then somehow there was a body disposal and SCroes was likely the bifrons.

I still see no place for Freddy or GVCromvoirt in the early postings, or even Koen for that matter. That's puzzling.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Steve Croes comes from a very wealthy family?


I doubt that very much..It looked like he lived with his uncle in a modest house..I think his family owns a water business..Maybee bottled water..

He does alot of Dj work now through 98coolFM as you can see his pics at events he does all the time..coolaruba.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Steve Croes comes from a very wealthy family?


I doubt that very much..It looked like he lived with his uncle in a modest house..I think his family owns a water business..Maybee bottled water..

He does alot of Dj work now through 98coolFM as you can see his pics at events he does all the time..coolaruba.com


he was rewarded for his little "helpful" stunt by getting a dj job at CnC's....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dugga on July 15, 2007, 11:41:26 PM
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:42:01 PM
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


robots... owns that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


robots... owns that.
at least I think he does, if not probably frank or rob.. those would be my guesses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:44:01 PM
Dugga  :lol:  :lol: too funny


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????



also think about this from one incestous island...

 who's brother is the pr manager? none other than Tito's ... who works for who??? julia... connect the dots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dugga on July 15, 2007, 11:45:35 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
robots... owns that.

My kinda roboraptor, that Robots!  :)
That's some funny stuff right there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2007, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


If I had to guess I'd say Robots (or is that ArubaSucks.com)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:46:50 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Steve Croes comes from a very wealthy family?


I doubt that very much..It looked like he lived with his uncle in a modest house..I think his family owns a water business..Maybee bottled water..

He does alot of Dj work now through 98coolFM as you can see his pics at events he does all the time..coolaruba.com


he was rewarded for his little "helpful" stunt by getting a dj job at CnC's....


They were all rewarded it seems..Deepaks step dad bought the internet cafe,Paulus was released as a suspect and partners now with carlo in a law firm. Joran talks about getting payed for his time in prison then he writes a book..Dompig starts a new security company that seems to be backed by the israeli and aruban govts..What else we miss?Deepak get payed too??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 15, 2007, 11:47:23 PM
Thanks Klaasend!!!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


I know!  I know!!  But I ain't tellin... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
Mrs you mean connect the fluffa dots too  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 15, 2007, 11:49:08 PM
Hi Monkeys!!
 I am going crosseyed after reading over 100 pages today of the archives. But they are very interesting. Thanks Dugga for all you are doing for the cage.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:49:39 PM
None
Been meaning to tell you how cute you are in that swing.  Do you ever come down and actually rollerskate or are they just for show?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 15, 2007, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!


I know!  I know!!  But I ain't tellin... :lol:
I have to google it and see this... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 15, 2007, 11:50:19 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Me too.  :(


I'll join you both and be a nobody with you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
None
Been meaning to tell you how cute you are in that swing.  Do you ever come down and actually rollerskate or are they just for show?  :lol:


oh I skate, it makes it easy to roll over the rats on skates  :D  :D

 :lol:  :lol: don't even feel a bump !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 15, 2007, 11:54:27 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????



also think about this from one incestous island...

 who's brother is the pr manager? none other than Tito's ... who works for who??? julia... connect the dots.
No wonder on one has come forward for the reward. They have all been paid to keep quiet.  IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 15, 2007, 11:55:11 PM
I wonder what life is like living in fear for Deepak..He isnt quite the legend that he thought he would be..No Books,No Interviews and No Tv Deal..He will have to read Anitas and Jorans BS!! He isnt gonna get a knickle out of that 800 million and he's gonna get whats comin to him. Just a matter of time..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 15, 2007, 11:56:27 PM
"One witness is not a witness"   Guido


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:56:52 PM
To those of you who do not know who Native Lingo really is here's a hint from her very own mouth...enjoy!

NativeLingo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject:    

Hello Cancun Mole!!!!! (in case you are wondering....NO I'm not related  )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:57:17 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs you mean connect the fluffa dots too  :lol:



right to julia's good friend Anita...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 15, 2007, 11:57:55 PM
This guy, was good...

Posted by Hat  -  June 30, 2005

This is a tragedy of Greek proportion.
The perfect storm hit Aruba this summer.
Paulus' situation at the point of realization a critical moment for generations of Van der Sloots unborn. Joran at the threshhold of a promising life with all the gifts providence could bestow. That life that nurtured him shaped a phyche that would not be denied what he thought he could get easily, a sense of entitlement. An emotional peak at a transition in life, all those accomplishments and that physicality. All would be lost, at least Paulus would see it that way, Joran's future and Paulus' present crashing in flames...no, sinking in silence beneath the surface of the mother of all mystery. How deep these passions? How deep the oceans.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????



also think about this from one incestous island...

 who's brother is the pr manager? none other than Tito's ... who works for who??? julia... connect the dots.
No wonder on one has come forward for the reward. They have all been paid to keep quiet.  IMO


FOLLOW THE MONEY.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 15, 2007, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: "Rooscrew"
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Me too.  :(


I'll join you both and be a nobody with you?
I think we got the monkey junky title before the last crash. It depended on the number of posts one made (like over 1000 posts) or something like that.
But, Roos...you are somebody , you are a monkey and we wub you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 15, 2007, 11:58:44 PM
******* I agree with you there, Deepak didn't come out on top of this plus I still feel if Paulus can figure out how to hang the noose just on K2 that he ultimately will.

I pray Tim does find something and I pray someone is videotaping when the word arrives on Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 15, 2007, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
"One witness is not a witness"   Guido


What makes you think Guido?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 15, 2007, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: "Rooscrew"
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
How come everyone is a 'Monkey Junky' and I'm a nobody? :(


Me too.  :(


I'll join you both and be a nobody with you?

'
Roo, honey you are just too quiet to be a junkey... it's all about who talks the most :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 16, 2007, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????



also think about this from one incestous island...

 who's brother is the pr manager? none other than Tito's ... who works for who??? julia... connect the dots.
No wonder on one has come forward for the reward. They have all been paid to keep quiet.  IMO


FOLLOW THE MONEY.

What did Lorenzo get????? :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
"One witness is not a witness"   Guido


What makes you think Guido?


Detained for suspision of "heavy battery" among other charges.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:01:30 AM
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:01:56 AM
Quote from: "Dugga"
OK, who's the smart aleck here who purchased the domain name "fuckaruba.com"?

Seriously. Someone owns it.

Fess up, monkeys!



 :shock:





 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:02:35 AM
Yes HAT was the best... he had the most fabulous way with words, used words as his paint.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:04:16 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


I always fantazied that he was in real life, Domminic Dunne. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:04:34 AM
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


well remember the video from CA?  he pets anita on the head like he is the dad and pvds is lugging the bags while jvds is walking with his ipod plugged in... he seemed to be their parent.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:06:08 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.
His posts were always so great, I enjoyed them. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


I always fantazied that he was in real life, Domminic Dunne. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: no but I am relatively sure he has met him  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 12:06:28 AM
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


well. i mean he calls him by his name

i dont know many 17 year olds that call their father by their first name
but then again i dont UNDERSTAND their STUPID SYSTEM  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:08:55 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


I always fantazied that he was in real life, Domminic Dunne. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: no but I am relatively sure he has met him  :wink:


well I knew that it wasn't DD... but I know he is quite famous.. I loved his kowgirl karen posts...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:09:46 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


well remember the video from CA?  he pets anita on the head like he is the dad and pvds is lugging the bags while jvds is walking with his ipod plugged in... he seemed to be their parent.


we just dont understand their STUPID SYSTEM  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:09:56 AM
Angie, if you are reading ...I hope you feel better soon.
Also, Anna...I am sorry to hear about your son's accident, but glad he is getting better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Angie, if you are reading ...I hope you feel better soon.
Also, Anna...I am sorry to hear about your son's accident, but glad he is getting better.


me too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:11:22 AM
Elaine, I miss your elton john avi.. I can't recongize you now!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 12:12:04 AM
WonderWoman
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject:    

from another BB:

I have met personally Chief Justice Rudy Croes and my family was friends with Batico Croes who would have been the first PM of Aruba


**So, are either of these two related to the recent Steven Croes?


I am very thankful the avatars of these posters don't work, otherwise I would need that barfdoll again.  I certainly don't miss this one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I think SCroes was rewarded too, I also think if you want to know who the local drug dealers are, or where the bad a$$ happenings are going down - you ask the DJ????



also think about this from one incestous island...

 who's brother is the pr manager? none other than Tito's ... who works for who??? julia... connect the dots.
No wonder on one has come forward for the reward. They have all been paid to keep quiet.  IMO


FOLLOW THE MONEY.

What did Lorenzo get????? :?:

Joran


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 12:12:43 AM
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 16, 2007, 12:13:08 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


I always fantazied that he was in real life, Domminic Dunne. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: no but I am relatively sure he has met him  :wink:


well I knew that it wasn't DD... but I know he is quite famous.. I loved his kowgirl karen posts...


such -- can you at least tell us what "field" he is famous in???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


well. i mean he calls him by his name

i dont know many 17 year olds that call their father by their first name
but then again i dont UNDERSTAND their STUPID SYSTEM  :twisted:


It is strange....Is that just the spoiled does as he pleases Joran that calls him that or all the boys??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
To those of you who do not know who Native Lingo really is here's a hint from her very own mouth...enjoy!
---
Hello Cancun Mole!!!!! (in case you are wondering....NO I'm not related)


Lala's, I am very curious about who Native Lingo really is and I am too dense to get this clue :(  Can you give me another clue?  LOL!

Angie, Hope you are feeling better soon!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 12:15:33 AM
I know some wanted to know where WW was from...take it for what it's worth...

WonderWoman
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject:    

friend of monkeys wrote:
NativeLingo wrote:
WonderWoman wrote:
from another BB:

I have met personally Chief Justice Rudy Croes and my family was friends with Batico Croes who would have been the first PM of Aruba


**So, are either of these two related to the recent Steven Croes?



Not that I know of....There ALOT of "CROES" in Aruba.....ALOT!!



well then i think they r all f'n related!!




LOL, I know it's like that here, in Melrose Park...all the government officals/cops are related!!! LOL

Last edited by WonderWoman on Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:03 pm; edited 1 time in total


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:15:44 AM
I got a laugh outta this post from the archives:
arubagirl
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005

 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:17 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Joran, hot? Guess I'm too old to see it.
_________________
Reading, internet, genealogy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:16:47 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


well. i mean he calls him by his name

i dont know many 17 year olds that call their father by their first name
but then again i dont UNDERSTAND their STUPID SYSTEM  :twisted:


It is strange....Is that just the spoiled does as he pleases Joran that calls him that or all the boys??


maybe paulus IS NOT the father

and joran knows it, thus the reason he doesnt call him DAD


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 16, 2007, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


I seem to recall Dompig talking about the crab trap on TV ("PrimeTime Live" perhaps?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


well. i mean he calls him by his name

i dont know many 17 year olds that call their father by their first name
but then again i dont UNDERSTAND their STUPID SYSTEM  :twisted:


It is strange....Is that just the spoiled does as he pleases Joran that calls him that or all the boys??

That's because he has no respect for him.  Or Paulus told him to call him Paulus because he was to be best friends with his son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 16, 2007, 12:19:48 AM
Thanks Elaine & Mrs. Red :)
I guess I just need to speak up more :)  Honestly, I really am not a quiet person, but I'm not a loud mouth either.  I'll have to try to work on talking more here.  :lol:

Anna~
So glad to hear the update on the wreck/surgery and am hoping that they make a full recovery from the soreness/injuries.

Angie~
Sending you lots of {{{{HUGS}}}} and prayers your way!!

Roos~ :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:20:03 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs- Yes Hat was exceptional, still is I suppose and I hope he's doing well. He has accomplishments that would curl the hair of many, I just can't reveal more but such a fine mind as well as heart too.


I always fantazied that he was in real life, Domminic Dunne. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: no but I am relatively sure he has met him  :wink:


well I knew that it wasn't DD... but I know he is quite famous.. I loved his kowgirl karen posts...


such -- can you at least tell us what "field" he is famous in???


from what I remember him posting he has a national syndicated news column... but I have NO idea of his true identity and I have to be honest, I am not one of the people that researches any poster... I figure if you wanted me to know you'd tell me...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 12:20:15 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


maybe that was part of the confession


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Elaine, I miss your elton john avi.. I can't recongize you now!
Now I have to figure out where I have that saved... :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 12:29:54 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


I seem to recall Dompig talking about the crab trap on TV ("PrimeTime Live" perhaps?)


From what I can tell Dompig said it in an American Most Wanted interview, and Bon Dia and Art Wood knew of the theft.


Quote
At that time, it was Gerold Dompig who told us that he wanted us to do a search some 3 to 5 miles outside of Aruba, because on the night/early morning hours of May 30, there was a theft at the fishermen’s huts. Stole were a knife, some rope and also a fish trap. And it was the Commissioner who suggested that there was a possibility that rocks were put in the basket and then thrown into the sea”, Miller said.

Information that Bon Dia Aruba has shows that it was the private investigator Art Wood who was one of the ones who came up with the fish trap story. And he went to inform police about this, which in turn advised Texas Equusearch of the case and that it would be good to search for the ‘crab cage’.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 12:29:59 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


maybe that was part of the confession


Dompig also talked about her being buried mutiple times..Hard to tell at the moment if Dompig is lying again or if he knows for sure where Natalee is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 12:32:43 AM
If indexing is done this is the last Hat post here, recently...if not, I take no credit because I was warned...I believe it followed a Dana show.

Hat



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Loved that Roy Orbison tune.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 16, 2007, 12:33:19 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


I seem to recall Dompig talking about the crab trap on TV ("PrimeTime Live" perhaps?)


From what I can tell Dompig said it in an American Most Wanted interview, and Bon Dia and Art Wood knew of the theft.


Quote
At that time, it was Gerold Dompig who told us that he wanted us to do a search some 3 to 5 miles outside of Aruba, because on the night/early morning hours of May 30, there was a theft at the fishermen’s huts. Stole were a knife, some rope and also a fish trap. And it was the Commissioner who suggested that there was a possibility that rocks were put in the basket and then thrown into the sea”, Miller said.

Information that Bon Dia Aruba has shows that it was the private investigator Art Wood who was one of the ones who came up with the fish trap story. And he went to inform police about this, which in turn advised Texas Equusearch of the case and that it would be good to search for the ‘crab cage’.

America's Most Wanted -- I think that's it!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 12:34:33 AM
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:35:09 AM
NJ... thanks, that sounds about right.  This has been a hard case to follow since there are no new leads etc. just obstruction and lies...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 12:36:21 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:

NL was Marianne Croes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:37:55 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:



probably still is... she was related to someone political as I recall...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 12:38:41 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:

NL was Marianne Croes?


I thought you knew that already?  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:

NL was Marianne Croes?



NO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:

NL was Marianne Croes?


I thought you knew that already?  :shock:
I didn't..She was on here every night in the beginning, and she was always very nice, I liked her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 16, 2007, 12:41:39 AM
I always thought Native Lingo was Marianne Croes.

I got her mad at me because I said that the very thought of iguana soup was disgusting. She thought I was being narrow-minded LOL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 12:41:45 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Karo
She has the same last name...no relation to the 4th suspect.  She was on the inside for a while...if only a little while.  :wink:

NL was Marianne Croes?


I thought you knew that already?  :shock:

Not me!  :lol:

I just heard she looked a bit like A. Jolie...and could never match up that description with any Aruban notables.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 12:42:48 AM
Thanks so much, LaLa's, Mrs. Red. & igsigs!

Does anyone know what happened to her?  Before Hurricane Katrina she would post late when I was up and I really liked her.  Then I lost track of her because I wasn't able to get to the board very often for awhile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: "sb"
I always thought Native Lingo was Marianne Croes.

I got her mad at me because I said that the very thought of iguana soup was disgusting. She thought I was being narrow-minded LOL.



It was NOT Marianne Croes... remember Red met her when he was there and he told me it was not MC.... she was, however, politcally connected.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sb on July 16, 2007, 12:43:55 AM
Calling it a night. I am finally caught up from last week!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
Thanks so much, LaLa's, Mrs. Red. & igsigs!

Does anyone know what happened to her?  Before Hurricane Katrina she would post late when I was up and I really liked her.  Then I lost track of her because I wasn't able to get to the board very often for awhile.

I think she stayed away from the boards for a long time, then posted a couple times at RU.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 12:44:40 AM
Nite SB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:45:55 AM
Am I invisable?

SHE was NOT Marianne Croes... just want to make sure ppl don't get confused.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:46:21 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Calling it a night. I am finally caught up from last week!
Goodnight SB!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:46:30 AM
Nite SB....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 12:47:02 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

SHE was NOT Marianne Croes... just want to make sure ppl don't get confused.


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

SHE was NOT Marianne Croes... just want to make sure ppl don't get confused.
Thanks Mrs Red....how's about a hint?  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 12:48:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think she stayed away from the boards for a long time, then posted a couple times at RU.


I'm sad to hear that  :(  (she went to RU)

Thanks, Klaas!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

SHE was NOT Marianne Croes... just want to make sure ppl don't get confused.
Thanks Mrs Red....how's about a hint?  :lol:  :wink:


I don't know... but I do know that she isn't Marianne Croes.. and was related to Rudy I think... she was friends with Tito and Julia... and like San said she changed once they became involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 12:49:32 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

No. But thanks for the confirmation. I never knew NL was Marianne.














j/k 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:49:33 AM
Is Lala's still here? If so, they don't have books with pencils but I got you a whistle instead, bama colors and of course a tiara  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/mz_060809_10017428443.gif)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/mz_060809_10017428447.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:50:26 AM
igsigs  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 12:50:30 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?


No one can miss you in your beautiful, shimmering red dress  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 12:50:31 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??


I seem to recall Dompig talking about the crab trap on TV ("PrimeTime Live" perhaps?)


From what I can tell Dompig said it in an American Most Wanted interview, and Bon Dia and Art Wood knew of the theft.


Quote
At that time, it was Gerold Dompig who told us that he wanted us to do a search some 3 to 5 miles outside of Aruba, because on the night/early morning hours of May 30, there was a theft at the fishermen’s huts. Stole were a knife, some rope and also a fish trap. And it was the Commissioner who suggested that there was a possibility that rocks were put in the basket and then thrown into the sea”, Miller said.

Information that Bon Dia Aruba has shows that it was the private investigator Art Wood who was one of the ones who came up with the fish trap story. And he went to inform police about this, which in turn advised Texas Equusearch of the case and that it would be good to search for the ‘crab cage’.

America's Most Wanted -- I think that's it!!


Found some more on this:

On 9-17-05 private investigator/ HAROLD COPUS stated to FOX News:

Quote
This is astounding, because what happened the night after Natalee disappeared three out of four  fishermens  huts  had been broken into. A knife was missing from one, a filet type knife with a large steel shank. When I interviewed the fisherman, he said he had forgotten to tell the Police. He called them,  they haven’t responded according to him.  There was a cage that they use to trap fish. "Big enough to put a body in," he said, "that was missing."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:51:15 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think she stayed away from the boards for a long time, then posted a couple times at RU.


I'm sad to hear that  :(  (she went to RU)

Thanks, Klaas!
Karo? Did you have a different name on here before?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 16, 2007, 12:51:34 AM
Hi Monkeys.  All these archives are hurting my head!  Trying to remember all the things I missed throughout that time.  I remember, I used to lurk more than post back in those days.  Then I remember suddenly some posters were figured out to be traitors and certain undesirable people in Aruba and never did figure out how it was found out and who was who.  I'm either going to have alot of questions or we are going to have to make a thread of who is who from the old aruban posters/traitors and how you smart monkeys figured it out!

Now I know why I lurked more back in those days!

But how exciting to have them back!  Thanks Dugga and Red!

Now if we can get the edit button back  :oops:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:52:48 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

No. But thanks for the confirmation. I never knew NL was Marianne.
ROFLMAO!













j/k 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:

On this subject > *AmericanInAruba*...anybody know? Any guesses?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I invisable?

SHE was NOT Marianne Croes... just want to make sure ppl don't get confused.


 :lol:  :lol:


Mrs.Red me a poster from SM that was Mariane Croes?? :shock:  :D  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:55:43 AM
Ok... I get a little adament..


None, you are a bad woman :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 12:55:44 AM
Boy, sorry Igsig, I screwed up that post. Where's those edit buttons? Dugga?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 12:55:50 AM
So if it isn't MC then who is it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 12:56:14 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Karo? Did you have a different name on here before?


KJ, but names must be at least 4 letters now, and those are not only my initials but the initials of a certain suspect prosecutor  :shock:

I didn't post a lot back then, either.  I guess I am more the quiet sort.  I lurk a lot and love this board and all the people on it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:56:49 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
igsigs  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:

On this subject > *AmericanInAruba*...anybody know? Any guesses?


well can we say fluffa?  :lol: or Rob Smith or Mark Purcell?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 12:58:38 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Ok... I get a little adament..


None, you are a bad woman :lol:


hey I took my halo off already  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 12:59:47 AM
Lala's .. I don't know/remember her real name... I wouldn't post it anyway, to be honest because I don't act like they do over there.  But I promise I asked Red and he said no that it wasn't MC.  

Remember when he was on the island NL, AG and Julia were assigned to "help" him.  And in hindsight, the fact that a brand new camera that wasn't cheap broke immediately upon his arrival ... things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 01:01:02 AM
well anything associated with Julia is a HMMMMMMMMM period !!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
she was friends with Tito and Julia


I really have to question my judgement now!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 01:03:05 AM
My apologies...I was told by a very reliable source that Native Lingo was Marrianne Croes.  That she had come out and told this person and I even read the email.  Sorry.  I was wrong...I will never say anymore about it.  Just for the record.  That is who I thought she was.  So sorry.

Guess I should hug Nemo and keep my mouth shut for a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well anything associated with Julia is a HMMMMMMMMM period !!!


funny how that looks in hindsight.. that is why I used the word "assigned"...

Lala's i wasn't trying to be a smart aleck, but I just know one thing is true and don't know the rest.... :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 01:06:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My apologies...I was told by a very reliable source that Native Lingo was Marrianne Croes.  That she had come out and told this person and I even read the email.  Sorry.  I was wrong...I will never say anymore about it.  Just for the record.  That is who I thought she was.  So sorry.

Guess I should hug Nemo and keep my mouth shut for a while.


I didn't mean to sound upset or anything I just know it wasn't marianne croes... and keep in mind that emails can say anything that is added into them...

I do know she was related to rudy... or was married to a man that was...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 01:06:38 AM
I think they have good reason to be looking for this trap. The statements and the phone records converge on the area of the fisherman huts. Three of the four huts were broken into. Stolen was a large machete, rope, and a cage big enough to fit a body. Dompig has confirmed the cage is a point of interest to the police. We have reason to believe SC may have been on the beach that night with a boat (since he left the Tatoo and gave an alibi that put him on the beach), and GW was getting off work at the casino a short walk away. We have Fredy's statement that Joran told him NH fell down many times, couldn't get up, and then couldn't wake up. Joran, puts himself at the beach at 2:35 calling Deepak. Daybreak was a little over two hours later.

If it did happen this way, finding that cage after two years, will be very difficult to do. It may even be covered by sediments.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 01:10:23 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
I think they have good reason to be looking for this trap. The statements and the phone records converge on the area of the fisherman huts. Three of the four huts were broken into. Stolen was a large machete, rope, and a cage big enough to fit a body. Dompig has confirmed the cage is a point of interest to the police. We have reason to believe SC may have been on the beach that night with a boat (since he left the Tatoo and gave an alibi that put him on the beach), and GW was getting off work at the casino a short walk away. We have Fredy's statement that Joran told him NH fell down many times, couldn't get up, and then couldn't wake up. Joran, puts himself at the beach at 2:35 calling Deepak. Daybreak was a little over two hours later.

If it did happen this way, finding that cage after two years, will be very difficult to do. It may even be covered by sediments.

I agree. I will say if anyone can find it, this group will.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 01:11:54 AM
It may well be difficult but I also suspect when large storms occur in the ocean that this team has salvaged parts of oil rigs, etc......so I'm going to hold out hope that they would not have agreed to this, if they thought it was hopeless?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Karo? Did you have a different name on here before?


KJ, but names must be at least 4 letters now, and those are not only my initials but the initials of a certain suspect prosecutor  :shock:

I didn't post a lot back then, either.  I guess I am more the quiet sort.  I lurk a lot and love this board and all the people on it!
Well, I am glad that you are posting more now!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 01:14:46 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
It may well be difficult but I also suspect when large storms occur in the ocean that this team has salvaged parts of oil rigs, etc......so I'm going to hold out hope that they would not have agreed to this, if they thought it was hopeless?
Me too nones! Hope is all we have, at this point it seems.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 01:15:07 AM
me too Elaine, we like Karo and her kitty !

on that note off to bed with me, my boss was supposed to be here tomorrow but just got an email from a couple of time zones away he's not........so yay I'm gonna sleep a half hour later !! I'll have an easier Monday  :D

Night all !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 01:16:07 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
me too Elaine, we like Karo and her kitty !

on that note off to bed with me, my boss was supposed to be here tomorrow but just got an email from a couple of time zones away he's not........so yay I'm gonna sleep a half hour later !! I'll have an easier Monday  :D

Night all !!


Nite None...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 01:18:48 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
me too Elaine, we like Karo and her kitty !

on that note off to bed with me, my boss was supposed to be here tomorrow but just got an email from a couple of time zones away he's not........so yay I'm gonna sleep a half hour later !! I'll have an easier Monday  :D

Night all !!
Take care nones!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 01:20:10 AM
Nite None


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 01:20:19 AM
Thank you, Elaine and None  :D

I think they may be able to find something in the deep water search, but my fear is that Natalee’s family will not want her body turned over to ALE and I cannot blame them one bit for this!  It easily could disappear, like all the rest of the evidence has… However, if our FBI does the forensic work, that probably will not suffice as evidence.  I fear the suspects never will be prosecuted, anyway  :cry: And there wouldn't be much forensics possible at this point, anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 01:20:20 AM
well now that I have cleared the board I am headed off...

nite y'all

keep the faith!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 01:21:25 AM
Good night, Mrs. Red & None!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 01:29:00 AM
Nite Mrs Red


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Karo on July 16, 2007, 01:32:12 AM
Good night, Klaas and all still on board.

I have to finish 2 work projects I have put off all weekend.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 01:32:42 AM
Nite Karo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 01:33:40 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
Thank you, Elaine and None  :D

I think they may be able to find something in the deep water search, but my fear is that Natalee’s family will not want her body turned over to ALE and I cannot blame them one bit for this!  It easily could disappear, like all the rest of the evidence has… However, if our FBI does the forensic work, that probably will not suffice as evidence.  I fear the suspects never will be prosecuted, anyway  :cry: And there wouldn't be much forensics possible at this point, anyway.
That is right, yikes. I forgot that if they do find her, she would have to be turned over to the ALE, what a scary thought!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 01:35:06 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
Good night, Klaas and all still on board.

I have to finish 2 work projects I have put off all weekend.
I am behind you, Goodnight all.
Klaas, thanks for working on my avatar!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 01:40:26 AM
You're welcome Elaine!  I'm going to call it a night as well.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 01:40:34 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
I think they have good reason to be looking for this trap. The statements and the phone records converge on the area of the fisherman huts. Three of the four huts were broken into. Stolen was a large machete, rope, and a cage big enough to fit a body. Dompig has confirmed the cage is a point of interest to the police. We have reason to believe SC may have been on the beach that night with a boat (since he left the Tatoo and gave an alibi that put him on the beach), and GW was getting off work at the casino a short walk away. We have Fredy's statement that Joran told him NH fell down many times, couldn't get up, and then couldn't wake up. Joran, puts himself at the beach at 2:35 calling Deepak. Daybreak was a little over two hours later.

If it did happen this way, finding that cage after two years, will be very difficult to do. It may even be covered by sediments.

I agree. I will say if anyone can find it, this group will.


If NH was buried 2-5 miles out to sea..She will be found..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2007, 01:57:36 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
From the Fox show:

Tim Miller:

That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea

Did Dompig really say that, I dont think I ever heard Dompig talk about the crab trap and rocks??




Aruban Police Commissioner Thinks Missing Teen May Be Inside Fish Trap
January 11, 2006

HOUSTON -- The founder of Texas EquuSearch said he and a team of divers from Florida will travel to Aruba after investigators there revealed they might know where to find the body of a missing Alabama teen, KPRC Local 2 reports.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in June while on a high school class trip to Aruba. She has not been seen since.

On Friday, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and a deepwater search team from Florida will travel back to Aruba to search an area three to five miles off the island's coast that is between 800 to 1,000 feet deep,

Miller told KPRC Local 2 that Aruba’s police commissioner told him that he feels Holloway might be inside a fish trap dropped deep into the water.
 
"The night she disappeared is the same night a fisherman's hut got broken into and a huge fish trap got stolen. Some big knives got stolen, and none of it has been found since," Miller said.

The cage the commissioner referred to is similar a crab trap people could buy at a hardware store.

"If she is, in fact, in that huge fish-trap like we think there is a possibility, I am optimistic that the equipment we've got will be bringing Natalee back," Miller said.

The founder of the volunteer search-and-rescue organization told KPRC Local 2 that he does not believe Holloway ever left Aruba.
 
"Our whole goal is none other than to bring Natalee Holloway home," Miller said. "It's too early to just say it's over with. There are still some things to do."

Miller told KPRC Local 2 that the last time he was in Aruba, he was threatened with arrest because he was working without a permit. He said he told authorities that he wasn't working for anyone and that he was a volunteer.

Copyright 2007 by Click2Houston.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 02:02:53 AM
If Tim finds any remains, I don't want him to turn ANYTHING over to ALE without keeping a viable DNA sample to bring home. Otherwise, we can expect: 1) It will be inclusive
            2) It will be a dog
            3) It will be conclusively declared unrelated to the case
            4) It will disappear
            5) It will be "switched" before being turned over to forensics.

I think Tim should turn over a sample of any remains directly to our FBI for testing and should keep a witness with him at all times to verify the chain of possession.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 02:24:37 AM
Klass

Thanks for getting me into the forum...I have no clue how to navigate here and that is why I never post...only read but have a possible serious situation
and need some monkey advice....so where should I post?


Title: Dutchlady needs to be on that ship to Aruba and to land
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 02:36:35 AM
Dugga, and Red, am so happy to see the archives starting to come back. Thank you for all your hard work!

Am behind in my reading as I started reading Dutchlady in the archives.

IMP I will not be satisfied that Justice has been done for Natalee until Tim finishes his works there, the Dutch bring charges and Dutchlady can get there...

She needs to be there.


Many you through your Good Works in here, in volunteering, in political causes, civic causes, Patriotism,   your activism...

Can't some one call someone and get it done for Dutchlady to go there?

would the family have any contacts with money who could send here there

Could she go on the ship and then have her own trusted researchers around her to help her research on land (also for protection) althought Dutchlady has had just military training in so many areas she could hold her own... She is Dutch too.


IMO Tim is on the ocean and Dutchlady would cover land areas unless she senses things in the water,........ that many don't ever think about... some might think Dutchlady is a tad weird about her ideas, but she gets results and is quite a thinker outside of the norm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 02:40:57 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Klass

Thanks for getting me into the forum...I have no clue how to navigate here and that is why I never post...only read but have a possible serious situation
and need some monkey advice....so where should I post?

Hi, and welcome to the monkeys ~ couldn't sleep and just read your post.  
What you might want to do is post your question/situation here, and then maybe start a thread in the lounge.   :?  I usually hang out and lurk, but Klaas or San or some other pro will be along in the morning.  :wink:   I think whatever you do will be okay.  This is a great place.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 02:53:07 AM
The situation in a nutshell: My daughter left Jasper this morning at 3 am enroute to Tucson, Az. She called a friend to say that she had stopped in Tuscaloosa at a truckstop to get gas...that is the last time anyone has talked to her.  Her friend in Tucson received a call around 8:00 (AZ time) from an anonymous person saying that my daughter had been robbed and that this person had taken her to a truck stop...no mention of her car. I called the number of the anonymous caller but did not get an answer...left message.

The story becomes even more bizarre, I know that she cashed out the debit card she was given and a guy who said his name was Hosea said that she was in the motel and for us not to worry. hen asked to speak to her, he hung up ..he was calling from her phone....there is more....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 02:53:19 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Klass

Thanks for getting me into the forum...I have no clue how to navigate here and that is why I never post...only read but have a possible serious situation
and need some monkey advice....so where should I post?
lcome

Welcome, Lady`Devon! Like TCU said, just post here and someone will help you know what to do. We're a friendly bunch!  :wink:

I can't sleep either, TCU!  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
The situation in a nutshell: My daughter left Jasper this morning at 3 am enroute to Tucson, Az. She called a friend to say that she had stopped in Tuscaloosa at a truckstop to get gas...that is the last time anyone has talked to her.  Her friend in Tucson received a call around 8:00 (AZ time) from an anonymous person saying that my daughter had been robbed and that this person had taken her to a truck stop...no mention of her car. I called the number of the anonymous caller but did not get an answer...left message.

The story becomes even more bizarre, I know that she cashed out the debit card she was given and a guy who said his name was Hosea said that she was in the motel and for us not to worry. hen asked to speak to her, he hung up ..he was calling from her phone....there is more....


Lady Devon: This DOES sound serious. Call the police, hon. Tell them everything. Are you by yourself?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:00:14 AM
Lady Devon~I'm with CBB on this.  Not to get you even more panicky, but you need to alert the police NOW.  Don't wait 'til morning.
Please answer us when you can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:01:57 AM
I called her phone and told her that IF I did not get to talk to her in person
pretty soon that I was going to have her dad contact the police (he gave her a car for her b'day) and have the car stopped. After a short wait, the police were called and a report was made. At midnight I received a call from her cell phone...a guy who did not want to talk...he just said.."did you talk to her?"....I asked how he got her phone and he said that she must have lost it at the motel but that she was gone now. He wouldn't say anything else.
Within 30 minutes...her friend received a call from a Arizona area code saying that my daughter was in Arizona...no way she could have driven
that distance in the time frame we have . The police claim they cannot
track the cell phone . I am at my wit's end trying to make sense out of this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:02:51 AM
CBB ~ Are you around?  Gosh, this really makes me nervous.  Just don't like the sound of it.  I think I'll hang around a bit, and see if she answers.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:04:23 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Lady Devon~I'm with CBB on this.  Not to get you even more panicky, but you need to alert the police NOW.  Don't wait 'til morning.
Please answer us when you can.


You're right, TCU. I didn't mean to cause panic. It may be just fine, Lady Devon, but I think I'd err on the side of caution and follow TCU's advice and call now. I hope you are not alone, but we're here.

Yes, please post when you can


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:06:56 AM
When she was younger, she had a serious drug problem so the police feel that she is just doing drugs and let the time get away from her. She has been drug free for six years and when before she left she was telling me how excited she was that her life was moving in a positive direction and that she was planning to return to college this fall.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:08:19 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"

You're right, TCU. I didn't mean to cause panic. It may be just fine, Lady Devon, but I think I'd err on the side of caution and follow TCU's advice and call now. I hope you are not alone, but we're here.

Yes, please post when you can

You aren't causing panic at all, CBB.  I could feel myself getting panicky, and didn't want Lady Devon to go to pieces by what I said.

This is quite odd, after reading the last post.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:09:27 AM
What are the police doing, Lady Devon?
How old is your daughter?

I'm here TCU.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
When she was younger, she had a serious drug problem so the police feel that she is just doing drugs and let the time get away from her. She has been drug free for six years and when before she left she was telling me how excited she was that her life was moving in a positive direction and that she was planning to return to college this fall.

Do the police know she's been clean for 6 years?  If it's been that long without a setback, I can't imagine why they'd suggest she was suddenly back on them.  
Was the trip to return to college, or just visiting her friend?  Guess it doesn't really matter, but just trying to figure it out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:12:49 AM
She has always stayed in phone contact with me...I just feel that there is something else at play here. I needed someone to talk to who might offer insight as to other avenues we may have overlooked. Tomorrow, I amgong to get her dad (we are divorced) to contact the cell phone company to see if they can determine the location of the phone when it was being used.

Also another friend who works in youth services suggested finding out where
she cashed in the debit card. At least we would know where to start .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:12:55 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
When she was younger, she had a serious drug problem so the police feel that she is just doing drugs and let the time get away from her. She has been drug free for six years and when before she left she was telling me how excited she was that her life was moving in a positive direction and that she was planning to return to college this fall.


Then I don't think that her past drug use has anything to do with this, and the police shouldn't either. This involves multiple states so I wonder if the State Police might be more help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:17:27 AM
Well, we're thinking alike ~ I'd call the DPS or Highway Patrol NOW ~
Also, can you track her debit card online?
And, I know Verizon Wireless shows the time of the last calls made.
Does her friend in Arizona have caller ID?  Maybe call that number back...the one she received?

I just really wouldn't wait on this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:20:59 AM
She moved to Tucson to get away from any one who knew her past...she said there were too many people who would try to pull her back in if she stayed in Bham. She was also planning to continue her education inTucson.
This was the first time she had been home in 20 months.

I did not talk to the police except to ask if they could track her cell phone (this was before we received the calls from Hosea from her cell)...the policeman said that there was no way a cell phone could be tracked. I said that it was the law that all cell phones include a tracking device...chip..or something because I had read about it...He replied that I was mistaken...so I told him I would just research it further on the internet. Then he said that they couldn't do it because they did not have the equipment...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:21:33 AM
If you got a call from Arizona sayng she was there, and she could not have been there, and someone was using her phone stating she was in a hotel, and then she had left, I agree, something is wrong.

Lady Devon, sometimes all a woman has is her ability to be a bitch. And we ALL have that ability within us when we need it. This is such a time.

Tell the police that you intend to call CNN and report to them that you fear your daughter will be the next horror story they feature and the police have refused to help you. Tell them that you can spell the name of the police chapter correctly, and by the way, ask for the name of the person you are speaking with and for them to spell their name.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:25:02 AM
I did call all numbers back but I only received voice mail...I left messages on at least 6 strangers' phones. I hope I will not upset anyone about being off topic but I didn't know which forum I should post in. My brain id functioning a little clearer now that I have had an opportunity to discuss it with you guys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:25:06 AM
YES YES YES ~ everything CBB just said ~ frankly, I'm not sure I would even mention the past history of drugs ~ at least not immediately.

Get the name of EVERY person they pass you to . . . tell them this is urgent, and unlike your daughter, since she normally stays in contact with you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 03:25:20 AM
Now is the time to muster forces... but we a the thin late night crew. So lets look at our options:

!)We contact our network Monkeys who have the most knowledge... Angie911 for she would have the knowledge, power and old "911' networking skills wiht  fellow workers in other states

I know she isn't feeling well, but think she would be really p-off if we didn't contact here.

2)Who can call here???? or who is up who knows someones telephone number who has or can call here

3)Call your State police and the FBI.... maybe you town is not versed in the high tech for tracking phones

4) Call family or friends to get over to your home to help you on these phone tasks

5) Is the truck stop when she was last seen close to you. If so still taking your sell phone for the calls you are doing above, you and a friend go to the truck stop and go to the trucks ... find whose passed the area is was coming from and rumored going to... find truckers going both ways.. give discription of any car she might be in, and what she looks like, what she's wearing   Take a picture you can xerox and show... xerox a few for you to take to the trucks... if your friend is xeroxoing more. Walk, carry yourself as you are unafraid, focused and hell bent for Georgia... this lets' them know you are serious and also you are one they would help rather than mess with.

They are very networked with CB;s and can see down in to the cars, pickup trucks and might see her... then radio ahead for the trucks ahead to keep an eye on that car, where it is and goes

Encourage them to keep the police alerted to anything they see.

Call where ever you call and set up an Amber Alert now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
She moved to Tucson to get away from any one who knew her past...she said there were too many people who would try to pull her back in if she stayed in Bham. She was also planning to continue her education inTucson.
This was the first time she had been home in 20 months.

I did not talk to the police except to ask if they could track her cell phone (this was before we received the calls from Hosea from her cell)...the policeman said that there was no way a cell phone could be tracked. I said that it was the law that all cell phones include a tracking device...chip..or something because I had read about it...He replied that I was mistaken...so I told him I would just research it further on the internet. Then he said that they couldn't do it because they did not have the equipment...


Call the State Police and tell them that the local police won't help you. Just explain the situation.....................I see no reason to include her past at this point, unless you are specifically asked. You might ask about tracking the call, but only as a question. The thrust of your call is that you need help because you fear for your daughter.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:27:52 AM
Make sure you keep ALL the numbers you've called.  And, when you placed the calls.

Does she have a gas card?  Many of those online cards, including the debit one, will show the last purchases made and even where.  Can you check those?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:30:50 AM
Her father has all the info on the phone and the debit card as he gave them to her  and he seems to think that I am overreacting but I taught in an inner city school for 12 years. I have seen a lot of things first hand that most people just see on tv or read about...it is easy for her dad to think nothing can happen to her he has not seen the other side of society that I have seen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:31:26 AM
Also, be ready to give them an idea of the route she was taking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 03:32:09 AM
Have one of your friends keep calling her over her cell phone... beccaause you will be busy coord things

It's the pings that they trace and with the girl in KS this helped.. but someone  haas to call her phone all the time even if she doesn't answer.


Are you Mormon...... call your pastor immediately and have then start org.

take you laptop, cord, with you

take cell phones


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:33:42 AM
Trust me, you're not over-reacting. . . I taught in an inner-city school in Phoenix for several years.  Not a pretty picture.

Have you called the DPS or Highway Patrol yet?  I say go ahead and call the FBI.

This is your child.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:35:17 AM
Lady Devon, I may be wrong, but I sense that perhaps her past has caused experiences for you where a situation like this may not be absolutely unthinkable and in the end, it all worked out. Therefore you may have a tinge of reluctance about pulling out all stops, but it sounds to me that your daughter may need help, and like I said: erring on the side of caution here is really the thing to do.

Get Dad out of bed with a call, and get on the phone to authorities. The suggestions made by these posters are sound advice. What can we do to help?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:36:23 AM
After the first call, we thought she was still in Alabama...but now am not so sure. The guy just said that he took her to a truck stop and that she had been robbed. I believe that the guy who called her dad and eventually me is the same one who said he dropped her off at a truck stop.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:38:49 AM
Have you got pictures of her?

How old is she?

Have you done a reverse phone look up for the incoming numbers that were not your daughter's phone?

Post them and I'll do that for you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:39:00 AM
From the Amber Alert Website:

After you have reported your child missing to law enforcement, call the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children on our toll-free telephone number: 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678). Or you can use our Live Hotline to talk to NCMEC through our web site.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:41:23 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
From the Amber Alert Website:

After you have reported your child missing to law enforcement, call the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children on our toll-free telephone number: 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678). Or you can use our Live Hotline to talk to NCMEC through our web site.


Good One.........they'll help you make someone listen!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Lady Devon, I may be wrong, but I sense that perhaps her past has caused experiences for you where a situation like this may not be absolutely unthinkable and in the end, it all worked out. Therefore you may have a tinge of reluctance about pulling out all stops, but it sounds to me that your daughter may need help, and like I said: erring on the side of caution here is really the thing to do.

Get Dad out of bed with a call, and get on the phone to authorities. The suggestions made by these posters are sound advice. What can we do to help?

Lady Devon ~ This has crossed my mind ~ and, I would ask you, .......what is your gut feeling, instinct telling you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:44:33 AM
IBE: Your suggestions are right on the mark...........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 03:45:27 AM
Crazymom here.  Hi late night monkeys.  Lady Devon,  do you know how long your daughter had been gone when the phone call came in?  This could at least give an idea of how far she was on her trip.  Then I would call all state police of the states she was driving through. Did she come thru Arkansas?  If she was around the Little Rock area I could go to some truckstops and ask questions if the police won't help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:46:03 AM
I have logged all the calls to my phone in a notebook. As soon as I can light a fire under her father in the morning, I am going to go to the place where she cashed the card. I am going to carry pictures of her with me. She is a very striking woman (32 yo) and if anyone sees her, they remember her.

Once she just disappeared and I could not get in touch with her(druggie bf threatened to hurt her little brother and me if she did not leave with him...I didn't know this at the time) . When I tried to file a missing persons report, the police told me that since she was an adult they couldn't do anything unless foul play was suspected. They did go to the bf's mother's home to question her and she called me to tell me I needed to back off because something could happen. It took six monthsbut I found her and got her home safe and sound. At least then, I knew who and what I was dealing with. Plus I had some very streetwise students who gave me lots of advice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:46:05 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
IBE: Your suggestions are right on the mark...........

Absolutely!  Great ideas....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:46:15 AM
Lady`Devon, I hope you are on the phone.......

Post us a word when you can, K?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 03:46:55 AM
Oh my goodness,  I just realized I am a "Monkey Junkey" again!!!!  Whoo Hoo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
I have logged all the calls to my phone in a notebook. As soon as I can light a fire under her father in the morning, I am going to go to the place where she cashed the card. I am going to carry pictures of her with me. She is a very striking woman (32 yo) and if anyone sees her, they remember her.

Once she just disappeared and I could not get in touch with her(druggie bf threatened to hurt her little brother and me if she did not leave with him...I didn't know this at the time) . When I tried to file a missing persons report, the police told me that since she was an adult they couldn't do anything unless foul play was suspected. They did go to the bf's mother's home to question her and she called me to tell me I needed to back off because something could happen. It took six monthsbut I found her and got her home safe and sound. At least then, I knew who and what I was dealing with. Plus I had some very streetwise students who gave me lots of advice.


I would still call again and again.  This does situation does sound odd.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:49:58 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Oh my goodness,  I just realized I am a "Monkey Junkey" again!!!!  Whoo Hoo.


I'm glad you're here! All of us putting our heads together makes sense. Lady Devon, you'll find us a loyal bunch and good help to any monkey in need.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 03:50:22 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Well, we're thinking alike ~ I'd call the DPS or Highway Patrol NOW ~
Also, can you track her debit card online?
And, I know Verizon Wireless shows the time of the last calls made.
Does her friend in Arizona have caller ID?  Maybe call that number back...the one she received?

I just really wouldn't wait on this.


Yes you can if you know the credit card number.... the email address she used for her acct if she set one up.. having that you can pretend you have forgotton the id and the password and they might ask you some questions like "her mom's maiden name" and send to that email her user name

and then you put in the site her user name and pretend to forget the password.


Really the best way is to call the credit card company NOW.... where it says lost or stolen credit card.... get a live person, usually an  investigator and explain what has happened...

If you don't know the number but you know it's a mastercard... use the # on the back of your card.

leave out the drug part....  ask him to look into the records. Sometimes my credit card charges come online into my acct. almost immediately

same with ATM POS

Don't wait for morning call you ex and get him on it now... don't wait for the ex... if he's the kind that won't do it or slow you down... you do it...  you can call a phone co......even if you have to have serveral cell phones and reg. phones going at once.

You really should call over a girlfried and/or male friend over now to start helping you.

DO NOT KEEP WAITING THESE HOURS ARE IMPORTANT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 03:50:55 AM
Case solved eh??

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch...of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result...and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here....it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: americaninaruba


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:51:35 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
I have logged all the calls to my phone in a notebook. As soon as I can light a fire under her father in the morning, I am going to go to the place where she cashed the card. I am going to carry pictures of her with me. She is a very striking woman (32 yo) and if anyone sees her, they remember her.

Once she just disappeared and I could not get in touch with her(druggie bf threatened to hurt her little brother and me if she did not leave with him...I didn't know this at the time) . When I tried to file a missing persons report, the police told me that since she was an adult they couldn't do anything unless foul play was suspected. They did go to the bf's mother's home to question her and she called me to tell me I needed to back off because something could happen. It took six monthsbut I found her and got her home safe and sound. At least then, I knew who and what I was dealing with. Plus I had some very streetwise students who gave me lots of advice.

So, when she disappeared....that was over 6 years ago when she was doing drugs?
This sounds like a different deal.....frankly, I'd call the AmberAlert number posted previously, and at least speak with them.  I know they would listen and offer suggestions.
Do you not want to call DPS or Highway Patrol or FBI?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 03:54:45 AM
You guys are great!  As far as my gut feeling...I think something is wrong...it may not be anything and she may have fallen to temptation but I would rather be wrong than sorry for not taking any action. I had to totally lose it with her dad to get him to call the police and have them put out an APB on the car. (I hope that is right...APB). I am going to try to get a little sleep and get up extra early in the morning. I hope I hear good news beofre then. I do appreciate all the ideas,encouragement, and contact info.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 03:56:35 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Case solved eh??

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch...of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result...and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here....it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: americaninaruba


I believe this case was solved long ago and the misinformation campaign began!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 03:57:50 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Case solved eh??

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch...of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result...and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here....it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: americaninaruba


*******.........catch up on the last couple of pages, and give us your 2 cents worth. There's some VERY good advice here, Lady Devon. Here's the web site of a free reverse phone look up:

http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 03:58:24 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Well, we're thinking alike ~ I'd call the DPS or Highway Patrol NOW ~
Also, can you track her debit card online?
And, I know Verizon Wireless shows the time of the last calls made.
Does her friend in Arizona have caller ID?  Maybe call that number back...the one she received?

I just really wouldn't wait on this.


Yes you can if you know the credit card number.... the email address she used for her acct if she set one up.. having that you can pretend you have forgotton the id and the password and they might ask you some questions like "her mom's maiden name" and send to that email her user name

and then you put in the site her user name and pretend to forget the password.


Really the best way is to call the credit card company NOW.... where it says lost or stolen credit card.... get a live person, usually an  investigator and explain what has happened...

If you don't know the number but you know it's a mastercard... use the # on the back of your card.

leave out the drug part....  ask him to look into the records. Sometimes my credit card charges come online into my acct. almost immediately

same with ATM POS

Don't wait for morning call you ex and get him on it now... don't wait for the ex... if he's the kind that won't do it or slow you down... you do it...  you can call a phone co......even if you have to have serveral cell phones and reg. phones going at once.
You really should call over a girlfried and/or male friend over now to start helping you.

DO NOT KEEP WAITING THESE HOURS ARE IMPORTANT

IBE and CBB ~ If I ever need help like this, I rounding y'all up!  I'm hoping this situation is just a fluke or miscommunication.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 03:59:16 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
You guys are great!  As far as my gut feeling...I think something is wrong...it may not be anything and she may have fallen to temptation but I would rather be wrong than sorry for not taking any action. I had to totally lose it with her dad to get him to call the police and have them put out an APB on the car. (I hope that is right...APB). I am going to try to get a little sleep and get up extra early in the morning. I hope I hear good news beofre then. I do appreciate all the ideas,encouragement, and contact info.


Did an APB go out to all the surrounding states?  I will keep you in my prayers.  I hope this is all a misunderstanding.  I have a sister that travels across country alone and I worry so much I almost call all the time to see where she is.  I have all her information in my house, in the car and at work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 04:00:03 AM
CBB ~ Does that site give cell number info, too?  I could check but I'm fading out, I think.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:00:29 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
You guys are great!  As far as my gut feeling...I think something is wrong...it may not be anything and she may have fallen to temptation but I would rather be wrong than sorry for not taking any action. I had to totally lose it with her dad to get him to call the police and have them put out an APB on the car. (I hope that is right...APB). I am going to try to get a little sleep and get up extra early in the morning. I hope I hear good news beofre then. I do appreciate all the ideas,encouragement, and contact info.


We'll say a prayer, Lady Devon.
Please let us know when you hear something and if you should decide you need us to help, just say the word.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 04:00:31 AM
Hey, where is all this old info coming from all of a sudden? :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
CBB ~ Does that site give cell number info, too?  I could check but I'm fading out, I think.  :?


Yes, it does. I know, I'm fading too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey, where is all this old info coming from all of a sudden? :?:


The archives are back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 04:02:59 AM
I have to get up for work in 2.5 hours. :(  :(  I hope I am not tooo cranky!  I guess the coffeepot will need to be going all day!  Good night monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 04:03:17 AM
There is no way her father will give me the info I need until tomorrow...just the way he is...He is in charge. Know what I mean? I have tried every way I can... he just won't give me the info. He will do it tomorrow he says. I am going to be on his doorstep tomorrow (today) bright and early to see that he does do it.

I have read the pages of this forum everyday since Natalee disappeared. I know how you guys are and how helpful. That is why I decided to come out of lurkdom and ask for your assistance. Now I am going to ask for your prayers. and say good night and thanks once again. You have made me feel more in control than I did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:04:52 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
I have to get up for work in 2.5 hours. :(  :(  I hope I am not tooo cranky!  I guess the coffeepot will need to be going all day!  Good night monkeys.


Yeah, I'm going to try to get a little sleep myself. I'm with you TCU. I want you and IBE on my side in a crisis!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 04:05:02 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey, where is all this old info coming from all of a sudden? :?:


The archives are back!


REALLY???? When, how, OMG, that is great news!!!! It might be a good idea to breakdown the archives in segments and have monkeys reread and rethink this whole case.  Maybe something will jump out that we have forgotten!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:06:21 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
There is no way her father will give me the info I need until tomorrow...just the way he is...He is in charge. Know what I mean? I have tried every way I can... he just won't give me the info. He will do it tomorrow he says. I am going to be on his doorstep tomorrow (today) bright and early to see that he does do it.

I have read the pages of this forum everyday since Natalee disappeared. I know how you guys are and how helpful. That is why I decided to come out of lurkdom and ask for your assistance. Now I am going to ask for your prayers. and say good night and thanks once again. You have made me feel more in control than I did.


You and your daughter are in our prayers, hon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 04:06:48 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazymom"
I have to get up for work in 2.5 hours. :(  :(  I hope I am not tooo cranky!  I guess the coffeepot will need to be going all day!  Good night monkeys.


Yeah, I'm going to try to get a little sleep myself. I'm with you TCU. I want you and IBE on my side in a crisis!!!!!

I'll see y'all in the morning ~ although it is now, isn't it?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 04:06:49 AM
I am going to bed for real this time.  I promise, no turning back, step away from the computer.

See ya bye!


closes the door.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:08:00 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey, where is all this old info coming from all of a sudden? :?:


The archives are back!


REALLY???? When, how, OMG, that is great news!!!! It might be a good idea to breakdown the archives in segments and have monkeys reread and rethink this whole case.  Maybe something will jump out that we have forgotten!


I'm glad you didn't ask where they are, cause I haven't looked for them yet, but lots of monkeys are doing the happy dance about their return!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
There is no way her father will give me the info I need until tomorrow...just the way he is...He is in charge. Know what I mean? I have tried every way I can... he just won't give me the info. He will do it tomorrow he says. I am going to be on his doorstep tomorrow (today) bright and early to see that he does do it.

I have read the pages of this forum everyday since Natalee disappeared. I know how you guys are and how helpful. That is why I decided to come out of lurkdom and ask for your assistance. Now I am going to ask for your prayers. and say good night and thanks once again. You have made me feel more in control than I did.

Saying prayers for you, and know that we are all here for you.  Please post tomorrow ~


Title: What we need from you for us to help you
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 04:08:20 AM
Lady D... Get off what was done in the Past Right Now....

You need immediately focused witts here....
.

Can't you and a girlfriend go to the truck stop??? now... why are you waiting for your ex..

we have been on these boards over two years and one of the main things I, we have learned if baddies happen it happens in 2-5 hour period and sometimes in a 22 mile radius of the last time seen.

1rst.... do we can help you....call truck stop where she's been seen.... find the name, find if it has other truck stops down the road both was and has computer ports for the drivers
WHERE DO MOST OF THE DRIVERS HEAD TO WHEN THEY LEAVE THERE.... like a port or market, dock, city


Get us the name, address of the truck stop, motel last seen in and anything we can put a "base of operations" into.... where to start

Get the name of the truck stops all along the route if they are a francise... if not we can find them... we could do that for you and help you in the logistic part of putting the words out ot the truck stops who are online...

what we need is a list in exactly when she left, where she was goingm, what routes planned
where the car broke down,  where the motel call came form and name of motel (never know when I trucker might just take a drive around that area)
Where and when the car was used

A description of what she had on, looks like \


Sit down and make a list for us.
Does she have a tickle site from where we can get a picture so if when we get the routes where she has been, has been seen, motel, et al locations we can email out her picture if OK of course with her

Now

What we could do here, while you are doing other things is to find, contact all the truck stops, motels in email and  have the truckers spread the word..

but we need the info I asked for and a picture if possible... if not a very good description... and any physical quirks like in a laugh or finger turns in (in case a wig is on)

I am not going to be politicallly correct with you for you don't have time in this situation.

Thanks... we are hear for you , love, IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 16, 2007, 04:09:17 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey, where is all this old info coming from all of a sudden? :?:


The archives are back!


REALLY???? When, how, OMG, that is great news!!!! It might be a good idea to breakdown the archives in segments and have monkeys reread and rethink this whole case.  Maybe something will jump out that we have forgotten!


I'm glad you didn't ask where they are, cause I haven't looked for them yet, but lots of monkeys are doing the happy dance about their return!


Thanks now I will never get to bed because I must know where they are!  Teasing!  Good Night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 04:09:25 AM
Night..........or morning, ya'll!

Sleep tight and may God keep us safe and secure and protected all day long!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 04:11:20 AM
IBE ~ I'm standing side-by-side with you on this . . . BUT, it sounds like Lady D wants to wait 'til morning.  :(

I don't know what else we can do . . . my stomach's in knots and my heart is pounding over this.  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 04:29:04 AM
PS Most truckers now have computers on board and probably blog too :lol:  
Computer technology on trucks, in cars plus the CB's would give a great system of networking in an emergency. terrorism, et al For if a trucker didn't have a computer he'd have a CB. Even bikers have computers, cell phones, can get info from the Internet, and then those blueberries and stuff.

Call all the radio/TV stations tomorrow in the whole area she was to travel; explain to them what you know and ask them to do a public service'''' has anyone seen this girl?

Actually you need your girlfriends to help make calls too or older children or church while you are with your husband and doing that time frame. Are you in the American Legion Auxiliary or your husband in the American Legion... call the local post in your town... they have volunteers and are vets so think in that frame of mind that we can't. Save for VFW.

Our Monkeys have great contacts with Main Stream Media (reporters, cable shows.. some even on the first name basis, like Red, whose Discussion Board this is)

One of our Monkeys Angie911 was one of the ops that talked to those on the plane that went down over PA 9/11 so she can give you hinks and encouragement.

Some of our Monkeys can pull up the most interesting info on something or someone... all valid, legal or locations of someone in almost an instant

We have monkeys in AZ that can help also "on the ground" with local leads, ideas, networking

Then there's the rest of use that are your backs of encouragement and prayers

Love, IBE :lol:  :lol:

Again, I mention if you are Mormon, tell the church immediately for I have seen them rally out massive amounts of volunteers

Now, if she is still missing my mid morning, please contact TES... that the search outfit out of TEXAS that you see, hear in the searches lately. they will come immediately, I understand, but have to be asked by the family.

Come right back here.... even if you have to borrow someones computer at someones' office and this board will match you up with TES...

I know you can go through their site, but you are a Monkey now so used the good words from a Monkey two here who can get TES having a heads' up sooner.....

They helped a neighbor of a Monkey.... but we have, yet, had to have them for us.... but time is important here!  The sooner you need them the better for finding smiling face again.


Title: Timing is so important
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 04:36:24 AM
tcumom Thanks, Yes, I got that too, but it worried me about the time that has already gone by and none need be wasted now.. so critical. and the locations/events how they are coming down.

We sure have learned from the last two years how important time is in this!

Thinks I'll go over to the prayer site and list on there if you haven't aready

have to go back and read if she mentioned her daughter's name.

It's 1:30 AM here. I took a sleeping pill that was to click in by now... don't think it will. feel like stress eating and don't have anything here to do that with!!!!  In CA I keep brandy for a sore throat or a really cold chill :lol: .. only have a sore throat once a year... but think I will take a small twink of that for I am getting very worried over this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 04:37:01 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
There is no way her father will give me the info I need until tomorrow...just the way he is...He is in charge. Know what I mean? I have tried every way I can... he just won't give me the info. He will do it tomorrow he says. I am going to be on his doorstep tomorrow (today) bright and early to see that he does do it.

I have read the pages of this forum everyday since Natalee disappeared. I know how you guys are and how helpful. That is why I decided to come out of lurkdom and ask for your assistance. Now I am going to ask for your prayers. and say good night and thanks once again. You have made me feel more in control than I did.

Saying prayers for you, and know that we are all here for you.  Please post tomorrow ~


Maybee your daughter did fall in on a temptation and was too ashamed to admit it.Please keep in touch with us tommorow and we all will keep our fingers crossed and pray that all is well tommorow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 04:42:31 AM
tcumom ******* is Jasper in Ala?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 04:50:29 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
tcumom ******* is Jasper in Ala?


Theres a jasper tennessee,georgia and alabama..Now I want to help after reading what I could..I would give the same advice and track all those phone #'s and call the cellular company and do whatever it takes as it sounds very suspicious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 04:59:38 AM
If its jasper Alabama to Tucson Az that is like a 24 hr drive. 1600 miles no way could she have driven that fast..IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 05:41:31 AM
You'd have to average 66 mph... could be done in a very fast car (I had a ZX) or semi-truck on all freeway; going around all cities... depends when and where you hit the traffic, if any.  I have gone from LA to Indianapolis in 30 hrs. Some places across desert land and flats the speed limit used to be 75.. trucks were passing me!

My body and old car won't do it now. No where I need to get to that fast anymore. :lol:

I added Lady Devon and her daughter to our prayer thread.

See you all tomorrow.

If only I could go to sleep at a fast speed! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 16, 2007, 07:36:49 AM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
If the disposal of Natalee's body was done in international waters,
wouldn't that change things regarding who takes over?


Good morning.

I believe venue is driven by the location of the incident.  A crime is charged in the county in which is occurred.  A change of venue could be requested but I think venue concerns the location of the crime rather than the location of the body.  

I'm way behind.  But I am happy to be here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 07:43:34 AM
Now that I have had a chance to sleep a little, maybe I can clear up a few things. My daughter, Melody, left jasper, Alabama at around 3 or 4 a. yesterday enroute to Tucson AZ. She was driving a white Sable (all I know as the car came from her father0. She had a newly activated cell phone and a debit card...again both from her dad. I only know her cell number as he gave it to her right before she left. The last time anyone has had any actual contact with her was when she called her friend in Jasper. She told him she was in Tuscaloosa at a Truck Stop .(she had stopped for gas). I would have been on the road last night except that I had no way of knowing where to begin. I have to wait until her dad checks with the CU about the place where she cashed out the debit card...at least I will have a place to start. She was
going to drive the Interstate all the way into Tucson. I do not even know which Interstate that would be. No one knows for certain IF she was at a Truck Stop when she called her friend...just her say so. She did have to call her dad before using the debit card because he forgot to set up a pin for it and she couldn't use it.  Her father said she was very cold/short with him when she called. He had to look up the PIN and call her back to give it to her but she wouldn't talk with him when he called back (their relationship is very strained to say the least). I told him that if someone was forcing her to cash in the card she would not be able to talk to him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 07:45:43 AM
Peaches, hi ~ I'm glad you're here, too!   How are you doing, and feeling?
You are in my prayers every day.  You inspire me with your positive attitude, humor, and tenaciousness.   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 07:45:59 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
he calls PAULUS.... Paulus

not dad, not Pops, not daddy, not bops,

calls him by his firsts name

kind of strange for a 17 year old... i think


He calls him paulus?????Thats weird because I only see people calling him Paul in Aruba..


well. i mean he calls him by his name

i dont know many 17 year olds that call their father by their first name
but then again i dont UNDERSTAND their STUPID SYSTEM  :twisted:


Morning monkeys. I'm catching up reading and thought I'd bring this over from last night.

I don't think I would put too much thought into what it means if people call their parents by their first name or not. Sometimes that's just a weird family tradition. My dad and his brothers always called my grandparents by their first names, and except for when I was a very small child, I have always called my parents by their first names. It's no big deal, not meant to be disrespectful or anything, it's just what we do. I have no idea how it got started, but no one seems to mind it at all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 07:52:37 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Now that I have had a chance to sleep a little, maybe I can clear up a few things. My daughter, Melody, left jasper, Alabama at around 3 or 4 a. yesterday enroute to Tucson AZ. She was driving a white Sable (all I know as the car came from her father0. She had a newly activated cell phone and a debit card...again both from her dad. I only know her cell number as he gave it to her right before she left. The last time anyone has had any actual contact with her was when she called her friend in Jasper. She told him she was in Tuscaloosa at a Truck Stop .(she had stopped for gas). I would have been on the road last night except that I had no way of knowing where to begin. I have to wait until her dad checks with the CU about the place where she cashed out the debit card...at least I will have a place to start. She was
going to drive the Interstate all the way into Tucson. I do not even know which Interstate that would be. No one knows for certain IF she was at a Truck Stop when she called her friend...just her say so. She did have to call her dad before using the debit card because he forgot to set up a pin for it and she couldn't use it.  Her father said she was very cold/short with him when she called. He had to look up the PIN and call her back to give it to her but she wouldn't talk with him when he called back (their relationship is very strained to say the least). I told him that if someone was forcing her to cash in the card she would not be able to talk to him.

Lady Devon  ~ I'm back from last night and I'm sure CBB will be here soon.  It looks like IBE was here until a couple of hours ago.
You're correct about that bolded part.  Please go ahead and do what we were suggesting last night.  It's more important to call and get help and start the ball rolling on this, than to waste more valuable time.
Please keep us posted.
As more folks are up and about, you'll have more ideas and suggestions to peruse.
For now, PLEASE make those phone calls.  We care.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 08:04:49 AM
Just called her dad. He said he would try to get the info...I told him he HAD to get the info and he needed to do it NOW! As soon as I have an idea as to where to begin looking, I will put a few pics of her online....just don't know where to post them. Could someone tell me where on the forum, I could
upload a picture of her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Just called her dad. He said he would try to get the info...I told him he HAD to get the info and he needed to do it NOW! As soon as I have an idea as to where to begin looking, I will put a few pics of her online....just don't know where to post them. Could someone tell me where on the forum, I could
upload a picture of her?

There's a missing persons thread ~ you could probably go ahead and post them here, too ~ temporarily ~ since most of what's happening took place between 1 and 3 this morning, people can read back (pg 12-15 or so) to see what is going on, and then Klaas or San could decide what to do with the pics in here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:11:20 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Just called her dad. He said he would try to get the info...I told him he HAD to get the info and he needed to do it NOW! As soon as I have an idea as to where to begin looking, I will put a few pics of her online....just don't know where to post them. Could someone tell me where on the forum, I could
upload a picture of her?


Lady Devon you could make a post in the Missing Persons Forum.  Give details of her height, weight, etc. and explain what happened.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=3

Hit new topic and make your post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Just called her dad. He said he would try to get the info...I told him he HAD to get the info and he needed to do it NOW! As soon as I have an idea as to where to begin looking, I will put a few pics of her online....just don't know where to post them. Could someone tell me where on the forum, I could
upload a picture of her?

Have you called DPS or Highway Patrol or even FBI, yet?  Remember last night, we posted the number to call for Amber Alert after you contact law enforcement?
Again, not to be rude......but have you called the LE?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:14:20 AM
If you are having a problem posting a picture I'm sure Klaas can post the picture for you.

I am leaving in a few minutes and will be back around 10:00.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 16, 2007, 08:22:03 AM
[quote="BTgirlMorning monkeys. I'm catching up reading and thought I'd bring this over from last night.

I don't think I would put too much thought into what it means if people call their parents by their first name or not. Sometimes that's just a weird family tradition. My dad and his brothers always called my grandparents by their first names, and except for when I was a very small child, I have always called my parents by their first names. It's no big deal, not meant to be disrespectful or anything, it's just what we do. I have no idea how it got started, but no one seems to mind it at all.[/quote]


My Son's friend does that too sometimes  and not in a disrespectful way.  He has also been known to refer to them as "the rents" I don't know,  I am sure its a teen thing, they have lots of slang & phrases that I never heard before their generation....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 08:26:10 AM
LE has been notified and a missing person's report has been filed but police seemed to be more concerned with finding the car than the person (I guess because of her history and the fact that she is an adult and has free will to change her mind and go wherever she wants). I did not tell LE about her past...her father did. The report was filed by her father since the car still is in his name.

Thanks, San.....I think I can get photos to upload just don't have a way to
get them small enough for internet. I lost my photo editing software when my computer crashed and know that the pictures will blow the margins all the way to China and back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 16, 2007, 08:35:59 AM
Lady Devon

I am just getting to read of our troubles  this moring.  I'm glad you finally got in touch with your daughter's dad.  I am sure the police can put an APB out on her vehicle and her debit card can be tracked as well as her cellphone (don't let them tell you it can't be traced, that is pure bullcrap)  You can even call the cellphone company and they can get that info.  

Saying a prayer for you and your family that your daughter is found safe.

Ms Vada


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 16, 2007, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: "*******"
If its jasper Alabama to Tucson Az that is like a 24 hr drive. 1600 miles no way could she have driven that fast..IMO


That is like me driving from Maine to Florida, Its 1600 miles for me to go from my house to my sisters.  Absolutely cannot be done in less than 23 hours!!   Even with 2 drivers going nonstop except to get gas and go pee.....NO WAY, not even when you are cruising along at 80mph through the Carolina's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:51:40 AM
Morning All-

How sad is this for Lady Devon? I hope the LE will leap ahead with this for her, how awful to worry like this. How could LE not know GPS tracking is inherent with most new phones now? That frightens me if LE isn't aware of that, I pay monthly for roadside assistance via my kids's cell phones frankly for that service but also to know they surely can be tracked ! In fact when daughter's car broke down Cingular didn't want her location verbally, they told her they pinged it via the darn phone !

I pray they find her daughter soon, this does not sound good at all.

I wonder if the site hits are rising with the restoration of the old archives???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 09:01:15 AM
Did any of you see old Dilbart posted the crashing of SM was not an accident? I hope Klaas captured that one, I feel sure she did but I always suspected the hackers were out in force during that period.  :roll:

BT - son started calling me by my first name when he turned 17, always when he wanted something, he would toss his arm around my shoulder and call me by my first name and I would  :roll:  :roll:

he got over it pretty quick, I just told him he couldn't work my system that way  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Did any of you see old Dilbart posted the crashing of SM was not an accident? I hope Klaas captured that one, I feel sure she did but I always suspected the hackers were out in force during that period.  :roll:

BT - son started calling me by my first name when he turned 17, always when he wanted something, he would toss his arm around my shoulder and call me by my first name and I would  :roll:  :roll:

he got over it pretty quick, I just told him he couldn't work my system that way  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Too funny about your son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 16, 2007, 09:14:20 AM
Good Morning monkeys....

Lady Devon - I have nothing to add, the other monkeys have covered alot of bases, but I will offer prayers for your daughter being found safely.


Title: For Lady Devon
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 16, 2007, 09:20:36 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
When she was younger, she had a serious drug problem so the police feel that she is just doing drugs and let the time get away from her. She has been drug free for six years and when before she left she was telling me how excited she was that her life was moving in a positive direction and that she was planning to return to college this fall.

************************************************
 Hello Mam  Jerry from Ohio here ,  Please allow me to offer up prayers for you and your daughter .
  Try to stay strong and NEVER NEVER give up !!  beleive me I know .
  Jerr
y


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 09:34:42 AM
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 16, 2007, 09:35:52 AM
(((HUGS))) to you Jerry.  I just read of what happened and wanted you to know how very sorry I am.  You are in my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "*******"
If its jasper Alabama to Tucson Az that is like a 24 hr drive. 1600 miles no way could she have driven that fast..IMO


That is like me driving from Maine to Florida, Its 1600 miles for me to go from my house to my sisters.  Absolutely cannot be done in less than 23 hours!!   Even with 2 drivers going nonstop except to get gas and go pee.....NO WAY, not even when you are cruising along at 80mph through the Carolina's.



That's what struck me, would be very surprised if she would get to Tucson that fast. 800 mile drive is a load for one person, not a trucker mind you. Might get to west Texas. Keep us posted Devon and Godspeed she shows up quicly and safely.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 16, 2007, 09:38:32 AM
Regarding the upcoming search:


1)Isn't there a very deep area just about a half-mile or so
off the coast of Aruba?

This seems like a place local "boys" would know about and
could transport a body to.

Has this area ever been checked? I think it's near a sandbar
and the water starts to get very deep past the sandbar.
I could be wrong, but I remember reading about it.

2)Does Tim think that Natalee's body was actually put into the
cage, or that the cage was filled with rocks and used as a weight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.



Thank The Lord she is okay! Great news she is found despite her trouble along the way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 16, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Wonderful News!  God is Good!  I am so glad to hear this!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
LE has been notified and a missing person's report has been filed but police seemed to be more concerned with finding the car than the person (I guess because of her history and the fact that she is an adult and has free will to change her mind and go wherever she wants). I did not tell LE about her past...her father did. The report was filed by her father since the car still is in his name.

Thanks, San.....I think I can get photos to upload just don't have a way to
get them small enough for internet. I lost my photo editing software when my computer crashed and know that the pictures will blow the margins all the way to China and back!


Lady Devon - email me the photos and I'll post them and start the thread for you in the Missing Persons area.

Edited to add:  Just saw your update.  GREAT NEWS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 09:44:27 AM
I am so relieved Lady Devon, it's a true blessing she is OK. I think people just do not realize how dangerous it is to travel alone anymore, particularly young women. You have to stop for gas so it's a real issue, trying to be safe. I know daughter and I were driving in the wee hours through AL and had to stop at about 1am, kuoka here at SM actually stayed on the phone with me to make sure we stayed safe. Ever since then I've told daughter and son to call someone on their phone if they must stop someplace 'iffy', so at least a potential robber will think twice that someone might overheard a crime in progress?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 09:48:28 AM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Regarding the upcoming search:


1)Isn't there a very deep area just about a half-mile or so
off the coast of Aruba?

This seems like a place local "boys" would know about and
could transport a body to.

Has this area ever been checked? I think it's near a sandbar
and the water starts to get very deep past the sandbar.
I could be wrong, but I remember reading about it.

2)Does Tim think that Natalee's body was actually put into the
cage, or that the cage was filled with rocks and used as a weight?


Justice -

I know some of the barrier islands off our own US southeastern coast have the same type of situation, sandbars that create shallow waters for a quarter to a half mile, then steep drop-off's. I feel sure Tim's group will be charting all of those areas prior to the trip plus with the resources and more sophisticated sonar on those vessels they will likely be able to map the ocean floor readily.

I thought Tim stated he felt she was place in the cage with rocks inside to weight it down? Certainly it would have taken more than 2 people to hoist that over the side too.  :x


Title: Morning All
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 16, 2007, 09:49:47 AM
Good AM None and All
  Just checking  does LE stand for Law Enforcement ??  cant be sure different abbrivations are used differently in different parts of the country .
  also the hits will have to go up  just out of the news if nothing else curiousity seekers and Haters  from the dark side also  (sad to say )
   Keeping up the prayers here in between my own difficulities  but will still make time to help if I can .
   There is strength in friends  as we all so well know .
    keep well None and all    your friend Jerry


Quote from: "nonesuche"
Morning All-

How sad is this for Lady Devon? I hope the LE will leap ahead with this for her, how awful to worry like this. How could LE not know GPS tracking is inherent with most new phones now? That frightens me if LE isn't aware of that, I pay monthly for roadside assistance via my kids's cell phones frankly for that service but also to know they surely can be tracked ! In fact when daughter's car broke down Cingular didn't want her location verbally, they told her they pinged it via the darn phone !

I pray they find her daughter soon, this does not sound good at all.

I wonder if the site hits are rising with the restoration of the old archives???
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 16, 2007, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I am so relieved Lady Devon, it's a true blessing she is OK. I think people just do not realize how dangerous it is to travel alone anymore, particularly young women. You have to stop for gas so it's a real issue, trying to be safe. I know daughter and I were driving in the wee hours through AL and had to stop at about 1am, kuoka here at SM actually stayed on the phone with me to make sure we stayed safe. Ever since then I've told daughter and son to call someone on their phone if they must stop someplace 'iffy', so at least a potential robber will think twice that someone might overheard a crime in progress?


Good Morning Monks!...whew I started reading and  chills went up and down my spine......Lady...I am SO GLAD she is OK.....NONE...good advise about getting someone on the phone if you must stop late at night!

ALSO this was posted by Anna last night...but of course I couldn't reply today :oops: ...so I am bringing it forward..
Sunny,

Thanks for asking! Son got bandages off Friday from the surgery and he only has a black eye from air bags most likely. His dad has two black eyes, a broken nose and thumb. Was one of those Lincoln SUV's so took a pretty good lick to total it.

But they will be fine and are going car shopping next week if son is able to walk again. He is practicing short distances this weekend.

Nice of you to notice and care, however. Thanks, again.

Anna I am so glad both son and father are OK...and thanks for updating us....They were certainly traveling with angels on their shoulders....as itr could have been so much worse...not that it wasn't bad enough :cry:

Ok...back to the last thread to catch up...TTYL....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 16, 2007, 09:59:17 AM
Wonderful News!  God is Good!  I am so glad to hear this![/quote]          God  or our Higher power whichever you prefer to cal him or her is a GREAT GOD  Very mysterious often but still is GREAT !!  sending up smoke as a thank you for Lady Devons request for the safe return of her child .
  Jerry from Ohio


               
Quote from: Kimmy53
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:08:33 AM
Good morning y'all....

Lady Devon...
I just finished reading your story about your daughter and my heart is pounding. Thank God she is unharmed and has contacted you!


None, I guess being the overprotective Mrs. I never thought the crash wasn't planned... and unfortunately, I think there were so-called "friends" that helped that along... I mean ppl posting as monkeys or the old moderators... so I do hope that Klaas or you got that screen shot of Dilbert running his mouth....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: casa on July 16, 2007, 10:10:38 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys!  Haven't had much time lately to come by.  Hope everyone is ok.  Glad to hear that the deep water search is scheduled.  Maybe this will find Natalee!  Lady Devon, thrilled to hear your daughter is ok.  What a scary thing for her to be robbed and for you to not know where she was!  I have 3 girls of my own and would be frantic!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: casa on July 16, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
Oh no!  Looks like I am missing!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Oh no!  Looks like I am missing!


When Dugga added the archives the other night, some experienced 'missing' avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lady Devon on July 16, 2007, 10:22:55 AM
Just got off the phone to Verizon....I was told that they cannot give any info about calls placed or accepted until the end of the billing cycle (that info is not accessible by them)which will be July 24. I told them they need to move into the 21st Century. My provider is T-Mobile and I get regular updates on their website. They said the only info accessible was the last time the phone was used which was 7:15 this morning
(when I called her number just to let that guy know I was still around!)

Her father says that she allowed this to happen...that no one would ever try to take anything from him...go figure! As I said before, he has not seen the side of society that I have...yes, it can happen to him...it just hasn't yet. No one is 100% safe these days.

None that is a great idea about calling someone when you have to stop when traveling. I travel a lot for cat shows (always alone) and never thought to do this. I will from now on. Thanks again you guys...sorry I had to take the thread off topic but you all saved my sanity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: casa on July 16, 2007, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "casa"
Oh no!  Looks like I am missing!


When Dugga added the archives the other night, some experienced 'missing' avatars.


Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.  I'm at work right now so when I get home I will try to add me back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sharon on July 16, 2007, 10:29:30 AM
We've been out of town for a few -- and I'm 'threads' behind :lol:

But when I started 'catching up' last night -- I saw that the old forum threads had been restored. and now I'll NEVER be current.  :lol:

Thanks so much Dugga, Red, klaas, etal 8)

I dove right into the 'rumors thread 2' .....................


ANYONE REMEMBER THIS??? WHEN DID IT CHANGE TO DEEPAK?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1363&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Details Of The Initial Investigation Into The Disappearance Of Natalee Holloway
This is the entire post from the beginning. I thank the people who have contributed in one manner or another to this report who shall remain unnamed at their request.

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The entire group, including the police, headed back to the Van der Sloot home. They arrived to find Joran Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe, the younger of two brothers recently detained in the matter, leaning casually against what has been reported to be the grey car now impounded in the investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 10:36:30 AM
Casa, you're welcome.

Lady Devon, I'm glad your daughter is okay, and sorry that all of this has happened.  Your X will have to cancel the cell phone, I would think.  My younger son, while in college, went to NC to visit friend's who were attending school there.  Someone invited some fly by night guys they met in a bar to the house they were all staying in.  Next AM, my son found that his CD collection (big $$$'s worth), sunglasses & the cell phone I had lent him were gone.  They used the phone until I had it canceled.  Calls were traced within the area, and the phone was probably discarded...they were not caught & the CD's & sunglasses gone for good.  Learning experience for my son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Mere on July 16, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.... :D


OT...Mississippi....Harrison County....Biloxi.....tornado warning....tornado spotted....do we have any monkeys in this area?  Do take cover...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 10:39:24 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/16/

Tin holoshi di 90 mil dollar perdi den lama…
PROME CLAIMNAN A CUMINSA DRENTA DI TURISTANAN
RIBA JOLLY PIRATES
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Esaki tabata di spera sigur ora cu mira cu tat rata di turistanan mericano. Aki nos ta referi na e incidente di Jolly Pirates caminda 38 turista a scapa ora cu e boto Jolly Pirates a bolter.

Loke si no a scapa tabata pertenencianan di algun turista cu tabata riba e boto. Pasaporte, placa y otro articulonan ta loke cu a ser perdi.

Na Aruba un seguro local a cuminsa haya e prome claimnan di e caso aki. E seguro ta sigura e boto localmente mientras cu e mesun seguro a sigura e boto na Merca tambe.

Nos a mira cu tabata tin camaranan di saca potret etc cu a daña den e awa salo. Awor no solamente claimnan a cuminsa drenta pa e articulonan aki, pero tambe pa prendanan cu lo a ser perdi y te hasta holoshi di marca cu ta costa miles di dollar.

Un investigacion naturalmente mester haci pa asina haya sa si realmente e prendanan y holoshi di un prijs asina valioso a ser perdi. Si por prueba esaki e seguro lo paga e gastonan

Looks like a tourist is claiming they lost items when the Jolly Pirate capsized and they are suing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 10:40:33 AM
Sharon - I think there was alot of confusion early in the case between Deepak and Satish.  Alot of people assumed Deepak was the younger of the two because he was shorter.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:41:26 AM
Aruba will say in the lawsuit that the tourist caused the sinking for the insurance money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 10:42:57 AM
For those interested in the archives, Lala's and I think Chunky Monkey sounds much like rat man but Mrs said some felt it was Arlene Schippers but note the reference in this post "Recieved this from a journalist I know... "

Can we say Renfro?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1725


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 10:45:30 AM
Here in a subsequent post by Chunky the grammar and even spelling seem dramatically different. One has to wonder if Bondia was the only multiple personality during that period  :roll:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1659


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
For those interested in the archives, Lala's and I think Chunky Monkey sounds much like rat man but Mrs said some felt it was Arlene Schippers but note the reference in this post "Recieved this from a journalist I know... "

Can we say Renfro?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1725



Chunky might be ratboy... hmmm... because Arlene wouldn't have needed the information from a journalist...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 16, 2007, 10:47:30 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/16/

Quote
Polis investigando posible intento di homicidio:
Auto a dal persona, lastre varios meter y lague den condicion critico

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Banda di 12:30’or di anochi a sosode un incidente basta serio caminda ta parce man criminal tin envolvi den e asunto aki.

Tin indicacion cu esaki lo por ta un intento di homicidio premedita. E chofer di un pickup ta sospechoso di a alcanza Orlando Antonio Flores Pinedo di 53 aña, naci dia 12 di April 1954, lastre varios meter leu y lague benta ariba caya banda di Karishma.

Departamento di Investigacion Tecnico y Recherche ta trahando den e caso aki. Prome cu nos ciere di edicion, e ultimo informe a indica cu polis tabata tras di e pista di un pick up doble cabina color berde cu a ser mira den cercania di un nightclub na Wilhelminastraat.

Te cu nos ciere di edicion e condicion di e victima tabata hopi critico. DIARIO lo trece mas informacion di e caso aki den nos proximo edicion.


Online Pap translation:

police investigando posible attempt of homicidio:
car owing to strike person, lastre several metre y lague in condicion critico


oranjestad (aan): near of 12:30’or of night owing to sosode one incidente enough earnest caminda is seems hand criminal have envolvi in the asunto here.

have indicacion cu this will can is one attempt of homicidio premedita. the chofer of one pickup is sospechoso of owing to alcanza orlando antonio flores pinedo of 53 year, naci day 12 of april 1954, lastre several metre far y lague throw upstairs caya near of karishma.

departamento of investigacion tecnico y recherche is trahando in the caso here. first cu we ciere of edicion, the ultimo informe owing to indica cu police was behind the pista of one pick up doble cabina color berde cu owing to being see in cercania of one nightclub at wilhelminastraat.

till cu we ciere of edicion the condicion of the victima was much critico. daily paper will trece more informacion of the caso here in we proximo edicion.

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Quote
Homber a bati muher dilanti hopi hende
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diadomingo marduga hopi hende a keda babuca con un homber a sinta bati y maltrata un muher. Mesora nan a avisa polis cu a presenta den fraccion di seconde mientras algun balente a bay interveni den e problema di e pareha y a stop e abuso tumando lugar.

Na yegada di polis despues di a tende e version na e sitio polis a bay over na detene e homber abusador aki, esaki a pone hopi hende den cercania bati man ora cu polis a detene. Ademas a avisa e dama pa e bay policlinica pa ricibi atencion medico y despues e por pasa na warda di polis pa denuncia e maltrato aki.


Online Pap translation:

man owing to beat muher fast much person

oranjestad (aan): Diadomingo marduga much person owing to stay babuca con one man owing to sit beat y maltrata one muher. at once they owing to avisa police cu owing to present in fraccion of seconde while some balente owing to bay interveni in the problem of the pareha y owing to stop the abuse tumando lugar.

at arrival of police after of owing to hear the version at the sitio police owing to bay over at detene he abusador here, this owing to place much person in cercania beat hand hour cu police owing to detene. besides owing to avisa the lady for her bay policlinica for ricibi atencion medico y after the can happen at keep of police for denuncia the maltrato here.

* * *
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DAMA A ATRAPA SU BOYFRIEND TA TRIP CU UN EX-AMIGA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Den fin di siman, Polis a haya sa cu na un Resort un homber a confronta problema cu su amiga. Tabata den oranan di atardi a drenta informe na Central di Polis, cu na e Resort a surgi discusion y a termina den bringamento y destruccion. Na yegada di un unidad di polis, e homber di inicialnan MG di 27 aña ta declara cu su mucha muher di inicialnan J.G. a gare den compania cu un otro mucha muher cu tabata su ex amiga (ex-chick). E ex-chick aki ta labora na e Resort. E homber a djis topa cune eynan y a bay papia cune.

Loke a pasa a para bira un problema fastioso, discusion y a termina den pelea entre e homber M.G. y su amiga. Na dado momento e amiga a lanza un piedra den direccion di auto di su amigo. Consecuentemente e obheto a dal e auto y a destrui finalmente windshield.

E amiga mientras tanto a move for di e lugar pa cual polis despues di a scucha e version, na bay na cas di e amiga di denunciante.

Na e cas den Duartestraat, polis a localiza e amiga J.G., el a confirma di a confronta problema cu su amigo MG. y a manda piedra riba e auto. Tambe nan a discuti y bringa cu otro. Durante e pelea J.G. a ricibi sla na man pia cara.

Aki Polis a avisa J.G. cu despues e sali di Hospital pa tratamento, y si acaso e ta desea e por pasa na despacho di Recherche entrega denuncia contra di su amigo. Pero J.G. a laga sa cu e no ta bay Hospital y tampoco ta entrega keho contra di su amigo M.G.

Mama di e mucha muher a laga sa di tuma contacto cu M.G. pa con yega na un areglo e daño Mientras tanto e mucha homber tampoco no ta desea pa entrega denuncia contra su mucha muher.


Online Pap translation:

lady owing to atrapa his boyfriend is trip cu one ex-amiga

oranjestad (aan): in end of week, police owing to achieve know cu at one resort one man owing to confronta problem cu his girlfriend. was in oranan of nightfall owing to enter informe at central of police, cu at the resort owing to surgi discusion y owing to termina in bringamento y destruccion. at arrival of one unidad of police, he of inicialnan mg of 27 year is declara cu his child muher of inicialnan j.g. owing to gare in compania cu one another child muher cu was his ex girlfriend (ex-chick). the ex-chick here is labora at the resort. he owing to immidiately come across cune eynan y owing to bay talk cune.

thing owing to happen owing to stop become one problem fastioso, discusion y owing to termina in action among he m.g. y his girlfriend. at dado instant the girlfriend owing to lanza one stone in direccion of car of his amigo. consecuentemente the obheto owing to strike the car y owing to destrui finalmente windshield.

the girlfriend all the time owing to actuate for of the lugar for cual police after of owing to listen the version, at bay at home of the girlfriend of denunciante.

at the cas in duartestraat, police owing to localiza the girlfriend j.g., past owing to confirma of owing to confronta problem cu his amigo mg. y owing to send stone on the car. also they owing to discuti y fight cu another. during the action j.g. owing to ricibi sla at hand leg cara.

here police owing to avisa j.g. cu after the leave of hospital for tratamento
, y if acaso the is desea the can happen at despacho of recherche entrega denuncia contra of his amigo. but j.g. owing to let know cu the do not bay hospital y niether is entrega complaint contra of his amigo m.g.

mother of the child muher owing to let know of take contacto cu m.g. for con arrive at one areglo the damage all the time the boy niether do not desea for entrega denuncia contra his child muher.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Here in a subsequent post by Chunky the grammar and even spelling seem dramatically different. One has to wonder if Bondia was the only multiple personality during that period  :roll:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1659


I think there were several "multiple personalities" back then... of course, it's all hindsight for me... but you are right, complete change of speech.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sharon on July 16, 2007, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sharon - I think there was alot of confusion early in the case between Deepak and Satish.  Alot of people assumed Deepak was the younger of the two because he was shorter.


Thanks klaas!

You're probably correct.

But I remember that I first read "satish"  8) So it's always comforting to know that I had not lost my mind :wink:

But now that we have the 'archives' I will look to see 'when' and 'how' and 'by whom' Satish turned into Deepak  :lol:


(And then I'll try to find out when the 'security guard' walking towards Natalee at the HI drop off story -- turned into 2 security guards that were arrested  :lol: )

(And then I'll find when the 'one shoe with blood' found in Joran's closet turned into a 'pair of k swiss' that he left on the beach)

And so on....and so on....and so on...

THANKS DUGGA, RED, klaas & all of SM  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Mrs  there was no way to control multiple use of nics, I just find it so interesting to read them now and 'see' the differences, almost like you can count the number of morphs from one personality to another in any given day?  :lol:

rat boy's been in this for a reason, besides the fact he has such a need to feel important, no sane human would keep at it and defaming a family in his own backyard as he has, if there weren't a payback to be had. I don't care how much he says he loves Aruba, he stayed away for 20 years or so, IMO that's not real love  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 16, 2007, 11:03:22 AM
AZLady posted this last night, from the "new" "old" archive. A post by Herkimer (Houston TX) posted Thu Jun 30, 2005. This looks like Diario:

Quote
ORANJESTAD (AAN): -- Corte den Prome Instancia lo sigui trata Diahuebs awor e caso contra e homber Lorenzo G. di 18 aña di edad, procedente di isla di St. Vincent, acusa di a abusa sexualmente y a maltrata un agente policial femenino na November 2003.


Corte a cuminza cu e caso delicado aki dia 20 di Augustus ultimo, pero a pospone pa (entre otro) duna Ministerio Publico oportunidad pa laga haci testnan adicional riba e muestranan di DNA cu a haya den e condon cu G. a usa riba su victima.

Por corda cu Huez a bisa esten cu el a dicidi pa pidi pa e testnan adicional aki pa kita tur duda den e asunto, sigur mirando cu e sospechoso a nenga desde prome momento y nunca no a duna declaracionnan contradictorio.

Otro motibo pakico a pospone e caso na Augustus tabata cu Huez kier scucha e victima mes como testigo riba peticion repetido di Ministerio Publico pa haya un vista menos vago di Lorenzo G. y huzga mihor cua declaracion tin mas peso den e situacion di un contra un aki.

Biaha pasa, Ministerio Publico a haci e peticion pa laga e polis testigua mucho laat, despues cu ya caba e dama a sigui gran parti di e tratamiento sinta riba tribuna den Corte.

Huez a indica cu imposiblemente e por permiti un hende pa testigua e ora ey, mirando cu e chens cu su declaracionnan lo ta “limpi” lo tabata minimo, pasobra el a scucha tanto di e presentacion.

E violacion a sucede dia 22 di November 2003 rond di 1’or di madruga, caminda G. a ataca e polis na su apartamento na Savaneta, a pone cuchui na su garganta y a menaze cu morto.

E acto a bay acompaña cu gran brutalidad, na unda e sospechoso a scop e agente bente abao, a choke cu su mannan hinca den “washandjes” y a horke cu un cabuya di nylon.

Djey el a mara su mannan tras di su lomba cu e mes cabuya ey y a bise na Ingles: “I’m going to f..k you”, a pone un cushinchi riba su cabez y a bolbe menaze: “Don’t look or I’ll kill you”.

En total e homber a viola e muher cuatro biaha cu condon y e ultimo ey pa motibo cu e victima, den un intento pa descurashele, a convence cu e lo tin un malesa venerico.


No, I don't think this is Lorenzo VR - too young, and this seems to be a Lorenzo G.

Online Pap translation:

oranjestad (aan): -- corte in first instancia will follow deal diahuebs now the caso contra he lorenzo g. of 18 year of edad, procedente of island of st. vincent, acusa of owing to abusa sexualmente y owing to maltrata one agent policial female at november 2003.

corte owing to cuminza cu the caso delicado here day 20 of august ultimo, but owing to pospone for (entre otro) give ministerio publico oportunidad for let haci testnan adicional on the muestranan of dna cu owing to achieve in the condon cu g. owing to using on his victima.

can corda cu huez owing to tell esten cu past owing to dicidi for ask for her testnan adicional here for less all doubt in the asunto, assure mirando cu the sospechoso owing to deny by first instant y never not owing to give declaracionnan contradictorio.

another motibo pakico owing to pospone the caso at august was cu huez wanted listen the victima self because; witness on peticion repetido of ministerio publico for achieve one vista less vago of lorenzo g. y judge mihor cua declaracion have more weight in the situation of one contra one here.

trip happen, ministerio publico owing to haci the peticion for let the police testigua mucho late, after cu already end the lady owing to follow great part of the tratamiento sit on rostrum in corte.

huez owing to indica cu imposiblemente the can permiti a for testigua the hour ey, mirando cu the chens cu his declaracionnan will is “limpi” will was minimo, because past owing to listen tanto of the presentacion.

the violacion owing to sucede day 22 of november 2003 rond of 1’or of madruga, caminda g. owing to ataca the police at his apartment at savaneta, owing to place cuchui at his throat y owing to menaze cu dead.

the acto owing to bay acompaña cu great brutalidad, at where the sospechoso owing to scop the agent bente abao, owing to choke cu his hands hinca in “washandjes” y owing to horke cu one cabuya of nylon.

djey past owing to mara his hands behind his back cu the self cabuya ey y owing to bise at ingles: “i’m going to f..k you”, owing to place one cushinchi on his cabez y owing to go back menaze: “don’t look or i’ll kill you”.

provided that overall he owing to viola the muher cuatro trip cu condon y the ultimo ey for motibo cu the victima, in one attempt for descurashele, owing to convence cu the will have one ailment venerico.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mishy on July 16, 2007, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Lady Devon,

I am so glad your daughter is safe and so sorry that you both had to experience such a horrible thing...I wish you could be with her right now...I know you've just been sick...thank God she's safe...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 16, 2007, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Casa, you're welcome.

Lady Devon, I'm glad your daughter is okay, and sorry that all of this has happened.  Your X will have to cancel the cell phone, I would think.  My younger son, while in college, went to NC to visit friend's who were attending school there.  Someone invited some fly by night guys they met in a bar to the house they were all staying in.  Next AM, my son found that his CD collection (big $$$'s worth), sunglasses & the cell phone I had lent him were gone.  They used the phone until I had it canceled.  Calls were traced within the area, and the phone was probably discarded...they were not caught & the CD's & sunglasses gone for good.  Learning experience for my son.




Exactly!  We didn't have good luck with Tmobile.  If you don't call them immediately and tell them the phone was stolen and have it shut off,  you will end up paying for tons of extra charges,  Tmobile isn't easy to work with,  we are still dealing with issues with my son's old phone and over $300 worth of txt msg with a disconnected number :shock:

Just have daughter call and tell them it was stolen.  I sure hope she filed a police report in Shreveport.  That should be done too, just to cya with the debit card and phone charges.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs  there was no way to control multiple use of nics, I just find it so interesting to read them now and 'see' the differences, almost like you can count the number of morphs from one personality to another in any given day?  :lol:

rat boy's been in this for a reason, besides the fact he has such a need to feel important, no sane human would keep at it and defaming a family in his own backyard as he has, if there weren't a payback to be had. I don't care how much he says he loves Aruba, he stayed away for 20 years or so, IMO that's not real love  :lol:


It's true None...the places I love, I find a way to go back to...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 11:27:06 AM
MsDarthvada,

You added important info I omitted in my post regarding cya with police report for debit card, etc.  I thought of it, but didn't state it.  If it's in Lady Devon's X's name, then he'll be held accountable, unless he does so.  Guess that's his problem.


Title: Sainty saved here !!
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 16, 2007, 11:28:33 AM
 Lady  since I have been here at Sm's I have seen the Monkeys save a lot more then a few of our members as well as guests from losing their sanity or perspective  if you wish to call it that .
 We are and continue to be there for folks in time of trouble or confusion if you do not know where to turn this group is one of the best in my opinion , many smart talented folks have been called for many different reasons I am convinced that (and No offense to RED )  that a higher power is useing Scared Monkeys to help others ,
I  will not even try to name them all for fear of leaving someones  name  out
  But I cannot  go without mentioning Klaussend  she has truly been a Godsend for this group in helping make this form of communication possible,   KUDOS  Klauss "your one in a million" .



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Quote from: "Lady Devon"
Just got off the phone to Verizon....I was told that they cannot give any info about calls placed or accepted until the end of the billing cycle (that info is not accessible by them)which will be July 24. I told them they need to move into the 21st Century. My provider is T-Mobile and I get regular updates on their website. They said the only info accessible was the last time the phone was used which was 7:15 this morning
(when I called her number just to let that guy know I was still around!)

Her father says that she allowed this to happen...that no one would ever try to take anything from him...go figure! As I said before, he has not seen the side of society that I have...yes, it can happen to him...it just hasn't yet. No one is 100% safe these days.

None that is a great idea about calling someone when you have to stop when traveling. I travel a lot for cat shows (always alone) and never thought to do this. I will from now on. Thanks again you guys...sorry I had to take the thread off topic but you all saved my sanity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 11:29:20 AM
Lady Devon; I am so happy to hear your daughter is ok.  She is so lucky to have you for a mother.  Too bad I can't say the same about her father; he sounds like he belongs on the other sites that have a tendency to blame the victim.  He needs a good dose of reality.  The world is a horrible place and, while we like to think everyone is as careing as we are, the truth is there are bad people out there.  You can never be sure what the person next to you is going to do and it is so sad that we can't even trust our own people anymore.  When you see your daughter, give her a big monkey hug and tell her she is loved by more people than she will ever know.  The monkeys care, they truely do, right from the cores of their hearts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 11:29:37 AM
Lady,D,I am happy that your daughter is ok.She didn't allow this.I have been lurking and watching,not much to say.To one,if you add meth to your diet,your teeth and weight aren't the only things you lose,you get a great new hairdo.And you can drive 800 miles at a time.But you will pay for it later.This is in jest,but the show Montana meth is very illuminating.We need to focus on what we know,not what the dark side says.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 11:33:53 AM
Look Lady,vics don't go out and plan to be vics.That is joe pos defense.Hug her and celebrate her safety.Thank you MeMere,I am watching the weather now.We need to forget about chuck and the rats,they are scum.If aruba sues,let them name the companies,haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 11:40:40 AM
I know it is just me....but are the old 2005 threads somewhere special? I looked in the LCD archives and only see back to 2006? Please forgive me this
afterall it is a Monday morning.  :cry:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2007, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Was back reading and just got to here.............THANK GOD she's alright!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I know it is just me....but are the old 2005 threads somewhere special? I looked in the LCD archives and only see back to 2006? Please forgive me this
afterall it is a Monday morning.  :cry:  :wink:



Hit the link that says Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum Forum Index and look toward the bottom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 16, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
My daughter had her phone stolen.  She reported it immediately.  I talked to Verizon the next day and they had taken care of everything.  Present phone has insurance on it.  I don't have it on my phone but I certainly have it on the daughter's phone.   :roll:

Sometimes the level of service is contingent on the intellegiance level of the person handling your call.  

"May I speak to your supervisor?"  cuts thru a lotta crap for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I know it is just me....but are the old 2005 threads somewhere special? I looked in the LCD archives and only see back to 2006? Please forgive me this
afterall it is a Monday morning.  :cry:  :wink:


BB, scroll down a little further on the Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum Index... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I know it is just me....but are the old 2005 threads somewhere special? I looked in the LCD archives and only see back to 2006? Please forgive me this
afterall it is a Monday morning.  :cry:  :wink:


BB, scroll down a little further on the Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum Index... :wink:


Oh I see thanks 2NJ and MrsR .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 16, 2007, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
MsDarthvada,

You added important info I omitted in my post regarding cya with police report for debit card, etc.  I thought of it, but didn't state it.  If it's in Lady Devon's X's name, then he'll be held accountable, unless he does so.  Guess that's his problem.


Yup, it would be his problem :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 16, 2007, 12:40:23 PM
klaas - I saw the Diario article about the Jolly Roger. There were nearly 40 people (mostly tourists) on board when it overturned. Many are claiming losses such as cash, cameras, credit cards, and passports.

I forget the $$ figure mentioned, but it's an estimate of what all of that might wind up costing ... and of course the claimants have to produce some kind of "proof" of the loss.

Lots of inconvenience involved, too. Folks carry with them the kind of stuff they don't want to leave in the room, and of course credit card(s) ...

Mrs. Red had a good comment - Aruba will claim the tourists capsized the ship for the insurance money!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 16, 2007, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


This is Great News, Lady Devon! I'm glad she is ok despite what she had to endure so far.
Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 16, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
Good morning/afternoon all

Has anyone heard from Angie?I read she's having a problem with her arm and hand,hope she's doing ok..and so glad Lady Devon has heard from her daughter too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 16, 2007, 01:19:03 PM
Hi monkeys.  I am behind today, but just wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone can figure this one out...I have my own suspicions, but then I am a suspicious person. LOL

chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject:    

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

I just read this -- could this be the person everyone thinks was arrested tonight?




nancy_drew
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Colorado      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject:    

It appears Max Arends is/was a student at Joran's school. Interestingly there is also a "Mrs. Croes" listed in the school newsletter. But, we know the name is like "Smith/Jones" here.



chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject:    

DT wrote:
Fox is reporting that a friend of creus was questioned and released.


It's Max Arends - referred to above. Valencia Community College is in Orlando, FL.



I have been under the impression that this is the alibi for Lorenzo?  Am I wrong on this?  I have missed the connection to Joran and Steve Croes all this time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi monkeys.  I am behind today, but just wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone can figure this one out...I have my own suspicions, but then I am a suspicious person. LOL

chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject:    

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

I just read this -- could this be the person everyone thinks was arrested tonight?




nancy_drew
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Colorado      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject:    

It appears Max Arends is/was a student at Joran's school. Interestingly there is also a "Mrs. Croes" listed in the school newsletter. But, we know the name is like "Smith/Jones" here.



chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject:    

DT wrote:
Fox is reporting that a friend of creus was questioned and released.


It's Max Arends - referred to above. Valencia Community College is in Orlando, FL.



I have been under the impression that this is the alibi for Lorenzo?  Am I wrong on this?  I have missed the connection to Joran and Steve Croes all this time.

I was under the same impression Lala's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 02:01:20 PM
Remember there are two Max Ahrends.  This would appear to be the wrong one.  This one was in Florida at school and is rumored to be the nephew of Jossy.  It was the older race car driver one who was the alibi.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 16, 2007, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Lady Devon"
UPDATE!

Melody just called her friend in Tucson. She was crying and extremely upset and exhausted. She was robbed ...in Shreveport , LA. Two guys took her purse with her money and cell phone in it (they were the ones making the calls to us). When they tried to take her keys she put up a fight...the keys broke a part and the guys high tailed it out of there.  She is devastated because the money was to pay for an apartment, as far as I know at this moment she is in Los Cristos(?) New Mexico. She drove all night. Thank-you to all of you for your support , encouragement and prayers. I will update when I hear from her first hand. I think I will need to schedule a trip to Tucson just to be able to put my arms around her and say "I love you" It will be the most wonderful feeling in this world.

This is the reason I have supported Beth Twitty in her fight for Natalee. I have had a small taste of the fear and pain that she suffers on a daily basis.


Was back reading and just got to here.............THANK GOD she's alright!!!


Lady V, so sorry t hear about your daughter's robbery & your troubles.  So glad that she is OK physically.  Being robbed is so invasive, it almost feels like rape.  Be kind & gentle & give her plenty of time to get over this.  I will pray for her and for your family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 16, 2007, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
My daughter had her phone stolen.  She reported it immediately.  I talked to Verizon the next day and they had taken care of everything.  Present phone has insurance on it.  I don't have it on my phone but I certainly have it on the daughter's phone.   :roll:

Sometimes the level of service is contingent on the intellegiance level of the person handling your call.  

"May I speak to your supervisor?"  cuts thru a lotta crap for me.


Same for me - I am notorious for asking for the supervisor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 02:13:38 PM
On June 17, 2005 around 11.15 the witness S.GOTTENBOS was more closely interrogated. The statement given in Dutch and sounds as follows;

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following; I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following; The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following: It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

The boat was out the evening of Sunday May 29th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi monkeys.  I am behind today, but just wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone can figure this one out...I have my own suspicions, but then I am a suspicious person. LOL

chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject:    

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

I just read this -- could this be the person everyone thinks was arrested tonight?




nancy_drew
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Colorado      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject:    

It appears Max Arends is/was a student at Joran's school. Interestingly there is also a "Mrs. Croes" listed in the school newsletter. But, we know the name is like "Smith/Jones" here.



chloe2
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
      Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject:    

DT wrote:
Fox is reporting that a friend of creus was questioned and released.


It's Max Arends - referred to above. Valencia Community College is in Orlando, FL.



I have been under the impression that this is the alibi for Lorenzo?  Am I wrong on this?  I have missed the connection to Joran and Steve Croes all this time.


I can tell you what I remember from early on, and that is that Max Arends (Jorans age from Valencia college,nickname Ibbi) was questioned, and from what I recall it was said he stayed over that night (the night Natalee went missing) at Jorans house. It was said that he often stayed over there, and that their houses were in very close proximity , like on the same street. I aslo seem to recall that his father Maximillian(?) Arends was president of the Lions Club that year.

Max Arenz (maxito=the race car driver) is the one I thought that was Lorenzo's friend, close to his age, and his alibi for that night.

Does anyone  remember it  like this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
Anybody else seen this? I don't have a source or link on it but it was supposed to be posted at T4N. There is some very interesting commentary in here about the Amigoe article. Did this run in a newspaper in Aruba?

In reaction to a July 3rd article in the newspaper, “Amigoe” based in Curacao, Netherlands, Antilles entitled “The other side of the Holloway-case”, rumors are circulating as to how the article came about. One thought strongly suggests in an attempt to soften the blow to the ego of the Arubian government, several people have secretly met in Aruba to counteract the charges of incompentency and corruption leaked by the investigators from Holland who have recently left Aruba.

Leaked documents show the investigators were sent by the Dutch government at request of the AVP party and in resistance by the MEP Arubian government party to review the case of missing 19 year old student from Alabama, Natalee Holloway.

Speculation is, while in Aruba, the Dutch investigators unintentionally discovered information that is detrimental to Aruba’s leading government while reviewing the documents and tips supplied to them in regards to the missing student. The most serious of accusations is that of withholding funds originally intended for the people of Aruba while the economy of Aruba heads into a downhill slide.

In order to turn attention away from the questionable actions of the MEP party, a campaign of disinformation has been stepped up to discredit the family of the missing student from Alabama and to attack the United States government and the FBI as hindering Aruba’s full investigation..

In an article in the July 3rd edition of Amigoe, former police investigator Gerold Dompig stated that a leading FBI investigator told him , “You do your own dirty work..” Mr. Dompig goes on to accuse the FBI of threatening him and former prosecutor Karin Janssen. No comment from Ms. Janssen has been sought.

The information exposed by Renée Gielen and Dolph van Stapele in the Amigoe article is questioning if Beth Holloway in fact knows the whereabouts of her daughter Natalee. The article writers claim a Med Jet from the United States of America was sent to Aruba secretly in order to sneak the young girl out without the Arubian authorities knowledge.

Two American journalist living in Aruba claim to have assisted Beth Holloway in the early days of the missing Alabama student.

Angela Dilorenzo claims she was told by Ms. Holloway to “cover her (Natalee) up and bring her to the med jet”. While Julia Renfro, editor of the English language newspaper “Aruba Today” claims both her and Angela were called “Natalee’s Angels” by Beth Holloway Twitty.

Both journalist state in Amigoe that Beth turned down an opportunity to find Natalee when Beth decided not to pay a ransom of $4000 for the information of Natalee’s whereabouts. They also claim to have visited a “drug house” to find Natalee.

More information can be found in the July 3rd edition of Amigoe.

Word has it owners of “Aruba Today“, the Chemaly family was unaware of both employees submitting information to competing news agencies. Speculation has it that both Ms. DiLorenzo and Ms. Renfro have earlier in the year submitted personal resumes to tabloid magazine companies “The Globe” and “The National Enquirer” citing irreconcilable differences with the Chemalys. Both women intend to leave Aruba by the end of this year.

The article published in Amigoe on July 3rd of this year directing attention away from the true problems on the small island nation was the perfect opportunity for Aruba Today’s two former employees to prove their talents to the tabloid industry.

As of yet, only Julia Renfro, has accepted a position with “The Globe” and will be relocating mid November. Ms. Renfro’s new position with the tabloid is unknown although it is certain that she will not be an editor nor a senior writer. It is unknown if Angela DiLorenzo has been made any offers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
On June 17, 2005 around 11.15 the witness S.GOTTENBOS was more closely interrogated. The statement given in Dutch and sounds as follows;

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following; I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following; The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following: It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

The boat was out the evening of Sunday May 29th.



Spock, nice find. We have heard that PVDS borrowed the Gottenbos boat. Supposedly the boat was used just after Natalee disappeared, that came out very early on from Beth and Dave so the cops must know something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 02:33:13 PM
BB,

Wasn't it Freddie who was supposed to be spending the night at Joran's shed per Melody?  He is also the one who lived near by.  Freddie's statement apparently denies this and he is said by scubajap for one to have been at that all night family reunion.

For everything we think we know, there is a statement somewhere that seems to contradict it.  I think this is by design and the decoys were put out very early on in this investigation.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 16, 2007, 02:33:14 PM
I saw that earlier too. Was going to post it, but got sidetracked...not sure what to think of it but>>>
 :roll:
 MIP6 @ BFN says>>
After reading this I gave Julia a call to find out when the going away party was, I’m never one to miss a chance for a great shindig.
Turns out that this is total BS and she is not going to be leaving in Nov. or anytime soon to work for the Globe, NE or any other tabloid in the US.


Then everyone in the thread says Thanks MIP6, and that was that, lol. Everyone just dropped it.

Who knows....I sure don't.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 02:35:16 PM
I don't think The Globe or National Enquirer would hire Julia.

Even they have their standards low that they might be.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 02:36:18 PM
Well no one will know if it's true or not, at least those outside Renfro's minions, until November.

As Mrs says water seeks it's own level, the Globe is a swimmingly good fit then.

I believe anything coming out of Purcell's mouth as much as I believe the moon is made of swiss cheese.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 02:38:23 PM
Personally I don't think anyone was spending the night at Joran's shed because the Kalpoes claim to have come inside and they have never mentioned this person.

No one admits to having done so.  Basically it is a Joranism, meaning pure bunk.  I think he may have overestimated the extent to which Freddie was willing to lie for him in this regard and then Freddie failed to back him up on that one.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 02:38:41 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
BB,

Wasn't it Freddie who was supposed to be spending the night at Joran's shed per Melody?  He is also the one who lived near by.  Freddie's statement apparently denies this and he is said by scubajap for one to have been at that all night family reunion.

For everything we think we know, there is a statement somewhere that seems to contradict it.  I think this is by design and the decoys were put out very early on in this investigation.

.


I agree.  These people were out in full force covering their tracks.

I thought it was Freddy also who was staying at Joran's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"


I can tell you what I remember from early on, and that is that Max Arends (Jorans age from Valencia college,nickname Ibbi) was questioned, and from what I recall it was said he stayed over that night (the night Natalee went missing) at Jorans house. It was said that he often stayed over there, and that their houses were in very close proximity , like on the same street. I aslo seem to recall that his father Maximillian(?) Arends was president of the Lions Club that year.

Max Arenz (maxito=the race car driver) is the one I thought that was Lorenzo's friend, close to his age, and his alibi for that night.

Does anyone  remember it  like this?


Bleached:  Doesn't one of Joran's music teachers live on the same street as he does?  Would that be Maximilliam Arends?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 16, 2007, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Peaches"
My daughter had her phone stolen.  She reported it immediately.  I talked to Verizon the next day and they had taken care of everything.  Present phone has insurance on it.  I don't have it on my phone but I certainly have it on the daughter's phone.   :roll:

Sometimes the level of service is contingent on the intellegiance level of the person handling your call.  

"May I speak to your supervisor?"  cuts thru a lotta crap for me.


Same for me - I am notorious for asking for the supervisor.


i usually say

"PUT YOU $*(&%*$&%)*$&&%  BOSS ON..NOW"


 :oops:



 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Sue on July 16, 2007, 02:54:50 PM
Word has it owners of “Aruba Today“, the Chemaly family was unaware of both employees submitting information to competing news agencies. Speculation has it that both Ms. DiLorenzo and Ms. Renfro have earlier in the year submitted personal resumes to tabloid magazine companies “The Globe” and “The National Enquirer” citing irreconcilable differences with the Chemalys. Both women intend to leave Aruba by the end of this year.

The article published in Amigoe on July 3rd of this year directing attention away from the true problems on the small island nation was the perfect opportunity for


Aruba Today’s two former employees to prove their talents to the tabloid industry.   ( even if this isnt true why would they state FORMER employees
Is there something we are not hearing )


As of yet, only Julia Renfro, has accepted a position with “The Globe” and will be relocating mid November. Ms. Renfro’s new position with the tabloid is unknown although it is certain that she will not be an editor nor a senior writer. It is unknown if Angela DiLorenzo has been made any offers.
[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 16, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Peaches"
My daughter had her phone stolen.  She reported it immediately.  I talked to Verizon the next day and they had taken care of everything.  Present phone has insurance on it.  I don't have it on my phone but I certainly have it on the daughter's phone.   :roll:

Sometimes the level of service is contingent on the intellegiance level of the person handling your call.  

"May I speak to your supervisor?"  cuts thru a lotta crap for me.


Same for me - I am notorious for asking for the supervisor.


If you need to undo something already in the system, start out by asking for the supervisor. Front line cannot over ride anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Word has it owners of “Aruba Today“, the Chemaly family was unaware of both employees submitting information to competing news agencies. Speculation has it that both Ms. DiLorenzo and Ms. Renfro have earlier in the year submitted personal resumes to tabloid magazine companies “The Globe” and “The National Enquirer” citing irreconcilable differences with the Chemalys. Both women intend to leave Aruba by the end of this year.

The article published in Amigoe on July 3rd of this year directing attention away from the true problems on the small island nation was the perfect opportunity for


Aruba Today’s two former employees to prove their talents to the tabloid industry.   ( even if this isnt true why would they state FORMER employees
Is there something we are not hearing )


As of yet, only Julia Renfro, has accepted a position with “The Globe” and will be relocating mid November. Ms. Renfro’s new position with the tabloid is unknown although it is certain that she will not be an editor nor a senior writer. It is unknown if Angela DiLorenzo has been made any offers.
[/b]


Is Angela DiLorenzo the same as Angela Munzenhofer? And if she is, when did she get "Lorenzoed"? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
BB,

Wasn't it Freddie who was supposed to be spending the night at Joran's shed per Melody?  He is also the one who lived near by.  Freddie's statement apparently denies this and he is said by scubajap for one to have been at that all night family reunion.

I also remember it to be Freddy that was jvds's alibi.
For everything we think we know, there is a statement somewhere that seems to contradict it.  I think this is by design and the decoys were put out very early on in this investigation..

Completely, I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Anybody else seen this? I don't have a source or link on it but it was supposed to be posted at T4N. There is some very interesting commentary in here about the Amigoe article. Did this run in a newspaper in Aruba?

In reaction to a July 3rd article in the newspaper, “Amigoe” based in Curacao, Netherlands, Antilles entitled “The other side of the Holloway-case”, rumors are circulating as to how the article came about. One thought strongly suggests in an attempt to soften the blow to the ego of the Arubian government, several people have secretly met in Aruba to counteract the charges of incompentency and corruption leaked by the investigators from Holland who have recently left Aruba.

Leaked documents show the investigators were sent by the Dutch government at request of the AVP party and in resistance by the MEP Arubian government party to review the case of missing 19 year old student from Alabama, Natalee Holloway.

Speculation is, while in Aruba, the Dutch investigators unintentionally discovered information that is detrimental to Aruba’s leading government while reviewing the documents and tips supplied to them in regards to the missing student. The most serious of accusations is that of withholding funds originally intended for the people of Aruba while the economy of Aruba heads into a downhill slide.

In order to turn attention away from the questionable actions of the MEP party, a campaign of disinformation has been stepped up to discredit the family of the missing student from Alabama and to attack the United States government and the FBI as hindering Aruba’s full investigation..

In an article in the July 3rd edition of Amigoe, former police investigator Gerold Dompig stated that a leading FBI investigator told him , “You do your own dirty work..” Mr. Dompig goes on to accuse the FBI of threatening him and former prosecutor Karin Janssen. No comment from Ms. Janssen has been sought.

The information exposed by Renée Gielen and Dolph van Stapele in the Amigoe article is questioning if Beth Holloway in fact knows the whereabouts of her daughter Natalee. The article writers claim a Med Jet from the United States of America was sent to Aruba secretly in order to sneak the young girl out without the Arubian authorities knowledge.

Two American journalist living in Aruba claim to have assisted Beth Holloway in the early days of the missing Alabama student.

Angela Dilorenzo claims she was told by Ms. Holloway to “cover her (Natalee) up and bring her to the med jet”. While Julia Renfro, editor of the English language newspaper “Aruba Today” claims both her and Angela were called “Natalee’s Angels” by Beth Holloway Twitty.

Both journalist state in Amigoe that Beth turned down an opportunity to find Natalee when Beth decided not to pay a ransom of $4000 for the information of Natalee’s whereabouts. They also claim to have visited a “drug house” to find Natalee.

More information can be found in the July 3rd edition of Amigoe.

Word has it owners of “Aruba Today“, the Chemaly family was unaware of both employees submitting information to competing news agencies. Speculation has it that both Ms. DiLorenzo and Ms. Renfro have earlier in the year submitted personal resumes to tabloid magazine companies “The Globe” and “The National Enquirer” citing irreconcilable differences with the Chemalys. Both women intend to leave Aruba by the end of this year.

The article published in Amigoe on July 3rd of this year directing attention away from the true problems on the small island nation was the perfect opportunity for Aruba Today’s two former employees to prove their talents to the tabloid industry.

As of yet, only Julia Renfro, has accepted a position with “The Globe” and will be relocating mid November. Ms. Renfro’s new position with the tabloid is unknown although it is certain that she will not be an editor nor a senior writer. It is unknown if Angela DiLorenzo has been made any offers.


Hmmm... wonder if this is true?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
well I think this confirms some suspicions we've had, Charlierat posted on Aruba BB about his two wonderful stays at the Renaissance Marriott

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=7274

I wonder how often he and Purcell and even Rob Smith compared notes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 16, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
I don't think The Globe or National Enquirer would hire Julia.

Even they have their standards low that they might be.

.



LOL Anna! I was thinking the same thing.
They don't want to risk being sued by someone
writing COMPLETE trash.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Quote from: "Anna"
I don't think The Globe or National Enquirer would hire Julia.

Even they have their standards low that they might be.

.



LOL Anna! I was thinking the same thing.
They don't want to risk being sued by someone
writing COMPLETE trash.


I would bet ya anything that the egotiscal Julia even sent her resume to Fox!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Quote from: "Anna"
I don't think The Globe or National Enquirer would hire Julia.

Even they have their standards low that they might be.

.



LOL Anna! I was thinking the same thing.
They don't want to risk being sued by someone
writing COMPLETE trash.


I would bet ya anything that the egotiscal Julia even sent her resume to Fox!


I know that one of her minions did... but he has been very quiet after his initial flurry of interviewing and all. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Quote from: "Anna"
I don't think The Globe or National Enquirer would hire Julia.

Even they have their standards low that they might be.

.



LOL Anna! I was thinking the same thing.
They don't want to risk being sued by someone
writing COMPLETE trash.


I would bet ya anything that the egotiscal Julia even sent her resume to Fox!


I know that one of her minions did... but he has been very quiet after his initial flurry of interviewing and all. :wink:


That doesn't surprise me at all.  Not that Fox is that far above the Globe or National Enquirer; they just pay more.  There are only two shows I will watch on Fox; Fox and Friends and Shep Smith.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
And I have issues with Shepard Smith... espeically after he pulled that crap about Tim Miller and TES when they were in Aruba.. took a page right out of Julia's book. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
And I have issues with Shepard Smith... espeically after he pulled that crap about Tim Miller and TES when they were in Aruba.. took a page right out of Julia's book. IMO


I never heard about that!  Are we talking about the same Shep?  My Shep?? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
And I have issues with Shepard Smith... espeically after he pulled that crap about Tim Miller and TES when they were in Aruba.. took a page right out of Julia's book. IMO


I never heard about that!  Are we talking about the same Shep?  My Shep?? :shock:


yes mamam, we are!  I used to love Fox news but it seems like all they do is interview each other!   I don't like any MSM... actually. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Word has it owners of “Aruba Today“, the Chemaly family was unaware of both employees submitting information to competing news agencies. Speculation has it that both Ms. DiLorenzo and Ms. Renfro have earlier in the year submitted personal resumes to tabloid magazine companies “The Globe” and “The National Enquirer” citing irreconcilable differences with the Chemalys. Both women intend to leave Aruba by the end of this year.

The article published in Amigoe on July 3rd of this year directing attention away from the true problems on the small island nation was the perfect opportunity for


Aruba Today’s two former employees to prove their talents to the tabloid industry.   ( even if this isnt true why would they state FORMER employees
Is there something we are not hearing )


As of yet, only Julia Renfro, has accepted a position with “The Globe” and will be relocating mid November. Ms. Renfro’s new position with the tabloid is unknown although it is certain that she will not be an editor nor a senior writer. It is unknown if Angela DiLorenzo has been made any offers.
[/b]

Aren't these two papers based out of Florida.  All these POS people are coming back to the US.  I guess Julia will be moving in with mommy.  After all the bad mouthing she did of the U.S.  She is a traitor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 04:30:39 PM
Why don't Julia and Angela apply for jobs in the Netherlands.  They both can work in the red light district.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 16, 2007, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
And I have issues with Shepard Smith... espeically after he pulled that crap about Tim Miller and TES when they were in Aruba.. took a page right out of Julia's book. IMO


I never heard about that!  Are we talking about the same Shep?  My Shep?? :shock:


yes mamam, we are!  I used to love Fox news but it seems like all they do is interview each other!   I don't like any MSM... actually. :lol:


I think I found what you are referring to.  If it is the same, you are right, he was totally out of line on that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: "San"
Why don't Julia and Angela apply for jobs in the Netherlands.  They both can work in the red light district.


 :shock: San you are too funny!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
BB,

Wasn't it Freddie who was supposed to be spending the night at Joran's shed per Melody?  He is also the one who lived near by.  Freddie's statement apparently denies this and he is said by scubajap for one to have been at that all night family reunion.

For everything we think we know, there is a statement somewhere that seems to contradict it.  I think this is by design and the decoys were put out very early on in this investigation.

.


Initially I think I recall it was said to be Max(Ibbi) Arendz, Jorans friend that had stayed overnight, and that he was home from college. Then as time went on it was said to be Freddie. In the begining though it was thought to be Max.

Don't know if I can find anything about it but I will look. Even then, as you say it is hard to know which is being talked about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"


I can tell you what I remember from early on, and that is that Max Arends (Jorans age from Valencia college,nickname Ibbi) was questioned, and from what I recall it was said he stayed over that night (the night Natalee went missing) at Jorans house. It was said that he often stayed over there, and that their houses were in very close proximity , like on the same street. I aslo seem to recall that his father Maximillian(?) Arends was president of the Lions Club that year.

Max Arenz (maxito=the race car driver) is the one I thought that was Lorenzo's friend, close to his age, and his alibi for that night.

Does anyone  remember it  like this?


Bleached:  Doesn't one of Joran's music teachers live on the same street as he does?  Would that be Maximilliam Arends?


That would likely be the Arendz that lives on the street, but have never heard of him being a music teacher .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 16, 2007, 05:11:11 PM
Have not read through from page 15.  Hope this has not been posted.

HJ Korterink, the Dutch blogger that wrote the article on the loverboys, has a post today with Joran's Zorpia "loverboy362" page.  Wonder how he found that.  :wink:

http://tinyurl.com/3yg5yx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"
On June 17, 2005 around 11.15 the witness S.GOTTENBOS was more closely interrogated. The statement given in Dutch and sounds as follows;

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following; I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following; The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following: It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

The boat was out the evening of Sunday May 29th.



Spock, nice find. We have heard that PVDS borrowed the Gottenbos boat. Supposedly the boat was used just after Natalee disappeared, that came out very early on from Beth and Dave so the cops must know something.


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 05:15:51 PM
Maybe this is what I am thinking of , considering the source.....nothing more than rumor. Though the statement  that Joran may have stopped at his house but "they didn't get out might fit. I would like to add that the link I provide, if you read all the way down in the various exchanges, there are some interesting attempts IMO by AG to muddy the picture. Is there any reason we wonder why things get confused?

Surprising Development In Natalee Holloway Case

Information gathered in reporting on the Natalee Holloway disappearance suggests there was actually another male who claims to have spent the night, or "crashed" at the apartment of Joran Van der Sloot on the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. As Joran's one room, one bath apartment is set off from the family home, it was suggested this was not an unusual development among some of his closest friends.

Preliminary information suggests he had planned to go out with Joran and possibly some other friends that evening, but the plans fell through. He is said to have been interrogated by the authorities in the investigation, but presently, there is no information given which suggests he is linked to any potential crime.

According to a source, he has on at least one occasion claimed that Joran Van der Sloot returned home late that evening after he was already sleeping. During a brief interaction, it is said that Joran told him he met an attractive American girl that evening and also indicated in teenage vernacular that no actual sexual activity had been involved.

It is unclear what statements, if any, the boy has made to authorities in this regard.

It is also said that he received a call from Joran Van der Sloot the next day while Joran was playing tennis after school had ended. It's claimed that that is the first Joran had heard of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and called his friend as he was unsure of what to do.

This initial report, which conflicts with some other reports on the case, is unconfirmed through additional sources at this time.

As they say ... developing.

http://tinyurl.com/2cyovk
++++++++++++++++++++

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

http://tinyurl.com/2gwyw7


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Have not read through from page 15.  Hope this has not been posted.

HJ Korterink, the Dutch blogger that wrote the article on the loverboys, has a post today with Joran's Zorpia "loverboy362" page.  Wonder how he found that.  :wink:

http://tinyurl.com/3yg5yx


I don't think it has.  Here is the translation in babelfish:

Gister had I concerning zwolse the little girl that victim became of loverboy. The boy former a child soldier would be. There come what several responses. I had myself also what question signs: that of school pick up, to Rotterdam drive and bring back that haste seems a monkey monkey monkey. But I have experienced enough in the course of years in the field of this type loverboys - both of the side of victims and daders - to that know there with legal resources bar can it do little against these characters. Serious threats, steels, I it a good would find idea for that a serious site to set up. Where you unthinkingly small films do not have throw on, but as soon as is there talk of steels and threatens that fix and publish, me seems nothing on against. I am myself a beetje busy with such a type projectje, can I not yet too much concerning say, let we t there on keep that there people to be whom strange finding that a certain character walks around rather and stops himself on locations which of reflecting to think. As a result of the berichtje concerning the loverboys an American reader sent a link to the homepage of Joran of of the ditch. He calls himself ' loverboy362 '. You rub nevertheless just as you look from, if you that all meets again. Here


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 05:27:42 PM
This statement by Jamie C. seems to indicate at least that the Max Arends
and his connection to Joran are being brought to question.


To your question whether I know the man named "Max Arends", I answer you the following. He is a friend of Joran and he is also at the "International School". According to me his name is "Maximillian Arends".

http://tinyurl.com/yrd3ew

+++++++++++++++++++

By the way, there was another person interrogated but not detained. “Bibi” Arends, another student from the ISA. No info further on that.

Comment by Checkme | June 21, 2005, 2:08 pm

http://tinyurl.com/2al8c5


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 05:41:45 PM
Early this morning I was reading a very disturbing article in dutch on two girls who were found unconscious on the beach due to GHB. They were 10 and 12 yrs old and were taken to the hospital and GHB was found in there system. They mentioned a 44 year old man who had a birthday party and was foung with ghb and xtc.The writer said it was puzzling cause it happened on june 4th or early june. The article was titled GHB party drug. Why the **** would they call it that??Should be called date rape drug!!

Now the article is gone!!!!!!!!!!telegraaf.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 05:45:45 PM
This is where the article was..I wonder why the hell they erased it??

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/30621271/Aangifte_tegen_Endemol.html?pageOffset=2


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?




Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


No, we never recieved any statements from Koen.  We do have 2 from Sander.  They are in the Important Case Document area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 05:48:58 PM
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


Missing: Joran's statement of 5/31, all of Koen's statements, pages from Paulus' statements. I am assuming what we have came from Jossy, does he have any more?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 16, 2007, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: "San"
Why don't Julia and Angela apply for jobs in the Netherlands.  They both can work in the red light district.

oh never mind....  i am just dropping in, had a very smart ass remark to add, but it was too rude for a public read.
Hello, G'bye. BBL, going to lake for the evening. with  :) a baby. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: "*******"
This is where the article was..I wonder why the hell they erased it??

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/30621271/Aangifte_tegen_Endemol.html?pageOffset=2


******* - is this the article?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article64596911.ece?cid=rss

Partydrug GHB is lastig te doseren
UTRECHT - De partydrug GHB (gamma-hydroxy-butyraat) wordt meestal verhandeld als vloeistof. Slechts een paar milliliter van de zout smakende vloeistof is voldoende voor een trip van een paar uur. Soms drinken gebruikers GHB direct uit het geleverde buisje. Anderen vermengen het met een drankje. De sterkte per vloeistof varieert, want die hangt af van hoeveel GHB-poeder is opgelost in water. Een gemiddelde dosis kost een paar euro.
(snipped)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


Missing: Joran's statement of 5/31, all of Koen's statements, pages from Paulus' statements. I am assuming what we have came from Jossy, does he have any more?

You would be assuming wrong.  We did not get those from Jossy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "San"
Why don't Julia and Angela apply for jobs in the Netherlands.  They both can work in the red light district.

oh never mind....  i am just dropping in, had a very smart ass remark to add, but it was too rude for a public read.
Hello, G'bye. BBL, going to lake for the evening. with  :) a baby. :)



no way, now you HAVE to tell us !!!  :wink:


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


Missing: Joran's statement of 5/31, all of Koen's statements, pages from Paulus' statements. I am assuming what we have came from Jossy, does he have any more?

You would be assuming wrong.  We did not get those from Jossy.


OK, well, are there any more that we can look at?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Nevermind I found it..They moved it to another page or it just came up..This drug should be exterminated!!The only ones partying with it are rapists it seems..

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/67494361/Jonge_meisjes_gedrogeerd.html?p=3,1

EMMEN - two little girls of 9 and 10 years have been doped at a recreation puddle pool in emmen with the party drug ghb. of the little girls vervolgens have been sexually abused. Ads by Google holiday house in the Netherlands missing your holiday house in the Netherlands wide choice and direct result! www.vakantiehuis.eu Typcursus emmen try now free 14 days these unique typecursus for children www.leertypen.nl joint modernisation emmen we look after komplete gevel - modernisations and all types jointing www.voegrenovatie.nl That the police force has announced drenthe. The zedendelict took place early June at the sand breach van Jansen to the redoubt rampart in emmen. Afternoon still the same a 44 person whose birthday it is man from bunschoten spakenburg has been arrested. He an acquaintance would be of slachtoffertjes. He has been meanwhile taken before to the rechter-commissaris and is still stuck. Unconscious The school children were found on the aware Sunday afternoon almost unconscious at the sand breach. "they have been brought to a hospital where pale that the little girls had been doped with ghb", police force spokesman says Zinsmeijer. Slachtoffertjes is meanwhile at home. To circumstances it make up for them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Blah - did you see yesterdays front page post on it?

http://tinyurl.com/2tbtjx

Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:53:33 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



Klaas would probably know right off if they were released when that whole batch was put out six or so months ago. If not the only other place they may show up is in Joran's book, more than likely incomplete.


Missing: Joran's statement of 5/31, all of Koen's statements, pages from Paulus' statements. I am assuming what we have came from Jossy, does he have any more?

You would be assuming wrong.  We did not get those from Jossy.


OK, well, are there any more that we can look at?


All of the PV's we obtained have been translated and posted in the Important Case Document area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dana on July 16, 2007, 05:56:34 PM
Hope you can all tune in tonight at 9pm et for my show.

Guests
Author Fred Rosen- There But For The Grace Of God http://www.fredrosen.com/

Eric Spinato - Media Expert and President of Spinato & Associates Corp
Eric and I will discuss stories in the news today, even one with a Aruban connection you may have never heard about.

Also

Cheyenne Jackson- Missing person Cole Jackson.

I will start at 8:30pm et with some old time radio.
I hope you can tune in.

www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:56:51 PM
******* - they were left on the beach..sounds like someone elses MO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: "Dana"
Hope you can all tune in tonight at 9pm et for my show.

Guests
Author Fred Rosen- There But For The Grace Of God http://www.fredrosen.com/

Eric Spinato - Media Expert and President of Spinato & Associates Corp
Eric and I will discuss stories in the news today, even one with a Aruban connection you may have never heard about.

Also

Cheyenne Jackson- Missing person Cole Jackson.

I will start at 8:30pm et with some old time radio.
I hope you can tune in.

www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


Thanks DANA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: thirdstrike on July 16, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Blah - did you see yesterdays front page post on it?

http://tinyurl.com/2tbtjx

Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway


That's GREAT news!!  I guess the real question should be, will they get any cooperation from the Aruban authorities?   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 05:59:55 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Blah - did you see yesterdays front page post on it?

http://tinyurl.com/2tbtjx

Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway


That's GREAT news!!  I guess the real question should be, will they get any cooperation from the Aruban authorities?   :roll:

Well, they may not need any cooperation from Aruba if in international waters.  Also, Aruba would be foolish to attempt interferrance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 06:00:07 PM
Sure Dana, thanks for the heads-up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Blah - did you see yesterdays front page post on it?

http://tinyurl.com/2tbtjx

Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway


klaas - thanks, I did not see that.  Looks like they have some serious equipment.  I hope the Aruban government and Aruban people do not become a problem for them yet again.  Do we know all of the parties that will be involved in this search?  Hopefully some FBI and Dutch investigators?  I hope they have camera's rolling 24 hours a day all over this thing to document any interference.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
******* - they were left on the beach..sounds like someone elses MO


I thought the same thing..Joran probably had the same plan..I wonder what went wrong??I have the feeling that Natalee didn't stay unconscious like they had planned.MO

Dana:Sounds like a great show!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


Blah - did you see yesterdays front page post on it?

http://tinyurl.com/2tbtjx

Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway


klaas - thanks, I did not see that.  Looks like they have some serious equipment.  I hope the Aruban government and Aruban people do not become a problem for them yet again.  Do we know all of the parties that will be involved in this search?  Hopefully some FBI and Dutch investigators?  I hope they have camera's rolling 24 hours a day all over this thing to document any interference.


I have no idea who all we be going along on the search.  Hopefully Red will have more info soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: thirdstrike on July 16, 2007, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

Well, they may not need any cooperation from Aruba if in international waters.  Also, Aruba would be foolish to attempt interferrance.


Good point!  Although, wouldn't be nice if they could for once do the right thing and be of assistance?  I mean, c'mon...isn't two plus years enough?  She needs to be found and laid to rest already!!

Hope everyone has been doing ok, btw...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Well, they may not need any cooperation from Aruba if in international waters.  Also, Aruba would be foolish to attempt interferrance.


Good point!  Although, wouldn't be nice if they could for once do the right thing and be of assistance?  I mean, c'mon...isn't two plus years enough?  She needs to be found and laid to rest already!!

Hope everyone has been doing ok, btw...

I don't think ALE can do anything to help.  The ships (2), the personnel and equipment are very sophisticated.  There will be people that do their specific jobs.  They don't need ALE to assist them.  They need ALE to stay out of their way.

Everything is great!  Did you see we got back some of our old archives?  Go to the main forum and scroll down to the locked archive threads.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 06:11:37 PM
I went through all of americaninaruba posts last night. Two things interested me.1.She knows the Van Der Sloots.2.Van Der Straaten opened his mouth too soon to the dutch press.She knew the layout of the VDS property and its obvious she has been there. In another post she described Jorans Apt being 5 feet away from the main bldg and the layout of the property.

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch…of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result…and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here….it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

ok i have to say you guys have a totaly wrong view of the VDS social status...they have a small house nothgin big just a normal neighbor hood home, the pool is very recent about 3 months, they ahve 2 cars that are like 7 years old (in aruba people change cars every 4 to 5 years), none of the kids have their own cars, they are the cheapest poeple youll ver meet and i think the mother hasnt had new clothes since 2000 becuae ive seen her in the same thign since forever! they DO NOT have a yacht and much less a mansion! just do get our perspectives in place...oh and the HOnda belonged to the Kalpoe brothers, JORAN does NOT have a car! he cant even drive! you get your licnese at 18 here NOT 16


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I went through all of americaninaruba posts last night. Two things interested me.1.She knows the Van Der Sloots.2.Van Der Straaten opened his mouth too soon to the dutch press.She knew the layout of the VDS property and its obvious she has been there. In another post she described Jorans Apt being 5 feet away from the main bldg and the layout of the property.

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch…of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result…and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here….it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

ok i have to say you guys have a totaly wrong view of the VDS social status...they have a small house nothgin big just a normal neighbor hood home, the pool is very recent about 3 months, they ahve 2 cars that are like 7 years old (in aruba people change cars every 4 to 5 years), none of the kids have their own cars, they are the cheapest poeple youll ver meet and i think the mother hasnt had new clothes since 2000 becuae ive seen her in the same thign since forever! they DO NOT have a yacht and much less a mansion! just do get our perspectives in place...oh and the HOnda belonged to the Kalpoe brothers, JORAN does NOT have a car! he cant even drive! you get your licnese at 18 here NOT 16


well there may be some truth to that.  Anita does wear her clothes until they are so worn out you can see through them  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 06:23:01 PM
*******,

Maybe she means five meters for we can see it is farther than five feet from the ariel photo.

BTW, I read that article about the two little girls when I ran across it trying to read about GHB being used to drug and infect people with HIV and I don't know which is the sickest but guess the one involving children would qualify. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: A's Fever on July 16, 2007, 06:26:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

Maybe she means five meters for we can see it is farther than five feet from the ariel photo.

BTW, I read that article about the two little girls when I ran across it trying to read about GHB being used to drug and infect people with HIV and I don't know which is the sickest but guess the one involving children would qualify. :evil:


Anna, glad to hear your family is on the mend.  Just read about the accident last night.  Hope all continues to go well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 06:26:15 PM
Interresting blog posted at BFN.  The owner of the blog is actually posting at BFN now.

http://tinyurl.com/yqmqgv

Saturday, July 30, 2005
Vacation Aruba-A Real Crap Shoot

As soon as the Holloway/Twitty family offerred a one million dollar reward for information leading to the safe return of Natalie Holloway, and another substantial reward for information leading to any information that would finally solve the case, they should have known. After all, Aruba is an island dotted with casinos, and a good many of the foreign tourists, as well as the islands inhabitants, are gamblers. So it was no time at all before witnesses came crawling out of the woodwork, with sudden recollections of mysterious activities on such and such a date, at such and such a time, some times involving the suspects in the case. Perhaps they are sincere, but perhaps this is wishful thinking. Would Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe Brothers try to bury Natalie Holloway in a two inch deep stream, secure in the knowledge that a hurricane would soon turn this area into a deep enough pond that it would require draining over a three day period? Would somebody haphazardly take her to a landfill, and take the time to bury her in as deep a pile of garbage as they could find?

Probably not. But if it pans out, the reward is substantial. A crap shoot.

My opinion is the surest way to find out the truth of what occurred to eighteen year old Alabama High School student Natalie Holloway, who disappearred on the last night of her school trip to the island, would be by way of a confession by Joran Van Der Sloot. One way this might occur would be if the truth were beat out of him. Of course the police won't do this, but if he were ever eventually released, and caught out by enough of the right people at the right time, I have no doubt there are a substantial number of the islands residents who would eagerly do this. The Kalpoe Brothers might eventualy suffer the same fate, as far as that goes. Of course, another obvious avenue for closure in this bizzarre case would be if one of them, quite simply, were offerred the reward money, in addition to guarantees of freedom from all future threats of further prosecution.

But failing this, and assumming none of the myriad crap shoots that seem to be on-going as of now ever really pay off, it seems conceivable to me that the best answer, the most logical one, is as follows:

Natalie Holloway was pressured into having sex with Joran Van Der Sloot, and possibly the Kalpoe Brothers as well, once they got her out in a drunken state to a remote area, probably the area of the California Lighthouse. She wasn't actually physically raped, just more or less intimidated into acquiescing. Which is of course a kind of rape, but maybe not in the minds of three young teenage boys who are drunk, and high, and under the equally coercice influence of their own raging hormones, secure in the knowledge that the girl would be leaving the island the next day, and would probably be too humiliated to admit to what happenned, let alone complain or press charges. After all, she was drunk. She went there willingly. So, they got their rocks off, then took her back to the hotel area. Only now, an enraged Natalie Holloway threatened them, threatened to tell everyone what they had done to her, that she would accuse them of rape, that all would know what they were, what they had done. They would pay, and pay dearly.

At one point, she might have gotten into Van Der Sloots face, possibly punched or kicked him, or both. Angry, humiliated now, and afraid of the potential consequences, he strikes out at her, striking her with his fist, as hard as he can, in addition causing her to fall and hit her head. Or possibly one of the Kalpoes did this. Whoever did it, Natalie Holloway now lay motionless on the beach, the deserted beach, to all intents and purposes, no one around but the four of them. Only Natalie is no longer moving. She doesn't seem to be breathing. One of them shakes her, yells at her, to no avail. Try though they may, they can not revive her. She is obviously dead.

Joran calls his father, Paulus Van Der Sloot, who comes as quickly as he can. They drive to his house, where he tries to calm the boys. The dead girl out in the trunk of their car, he explains, can cause no problems if she is never found. She will just be assummed to have run away. Perhaps she might turn up in a crack house. She could conceivably have even been sold into sex slavery in Venezuala, so far as anyone knows. But you have to come up with an alibi, in the event questions are asked. You let her out in front of the hotel. She was drunk, and fell and hit her head, but got up, and was helped inside by a security guard, a black security guard. If her body is found, the fall would explain the injuries to the face. And to be on the safe side, you had all better admit that you had sex with her. As long as there are no obvious vaginal injuries, no one can prove the sex was accomplished through intimidation, and so not really consensual. In the meantime, we will do the best we can to try to make sure the body is never found.

And so, the body was taken, either by the parties involved or through hired confederates who could be depended upon (Aruban police officers friendly to Van Der Sloot, and very ambitous?)
to the most remote part of the island they could find, a place that was desolate of all human habitation, a place that would be seldomly visited, a place of wild and rugged terrain and dense vegetation, a place where a variety of wild animals would eagerly feed upon the dead and decomposing body of the unfortunate girl as she lay in the midst of dense bushes and foliage, completely hidden from human view, even were there happenned by that rare person who visited the area.

Within a few short days, the body would be completly torn and scatterred about, all but demolished by the combined ravages of the native island scavengers and the hot heat of the tropical Carribbean island. The perfect way to dispose of an inconvenient body in this type of environment. All they really needed was a few days time, a week, maybe two at the most, for the ravages of mother nature to complete the job.

This is my theory of what occurred to Natalie Holloway. Of course, there are other possibilities. She could have been put into an incinerator, for example, or cremated for a price by a bribed crematory operator, or for that matter buried in what might appear to be a legitimate grave belonging to another person. She could have been run through a scrap mnetal compactor, or dumped far out to sea, perhaps in shark infested waters to the east of the island.

There is also yet the ever fading glimer of hope she might yet be alive, sold into sex slavery in Venezuala or Columbia, or even being held in a private residence. She may have been kept in a drugged state for so long, she might be little more than a zombie who no longer even knows who she is, let alone where she is.

I know that the mother of Natalie, Beth Twitty, is holding out hopes that this is the case, which is ironic in the extreme. Why else offer a million dollar reward for her daughters safe return, were she not holding out this hope? As unlikely, to say the least, that it obviousy is.

I have a great deal of respect for Beth Holloway Twitty. In her own way, she is as beautiful a woman as I have ever seen. Her efforts on behalf of her daughter are indeed of heroic proportions. Unfortunately, this case has become a ratings bonanza for the cable news media in particular, and it has become very unseemly the way the case has been overcovered, in my opinion, though conversely, the coverage has indeed propeled the case up to this point.

I wish I could advise the woman to take a break from the case, for a mere couple of days. The first day to just wind down, perhaps seek spiritual counseling. The following day, to just stay to herself, for no other reason that to allow her spirit a chance to actually attune with the spirit of her daughter, with no interference from anyone, including her husband and other family members. After all, there is obviously a strong spiritual connection between this mother and daughter. The more I think about it, the more I think maybe a week of this would be even more appropriate than a mere day. A period of silent meditation and reflection could allow that spiritual connection to come to the fore. It may not give her the answers that she is searching for now. But it may at least give her some peace.

Here is her first post at BFN under the topic of her blog:

ThePaganTemple
ThePaganTemple
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Posts: 7
 
      Re: pagantemple website july2005
« Reply #9 on: 2007-07-14, 10:45:02 »  

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Thanks for the link to my site. My theory has nothing to do with being of a "like mind", by the way, I just have an investigative intellect and personality. You have to see things from the possible viewpoint of perpetrators in order to get an inkling as to what might have happened.

The cable news channels provided a valuable service, and in so doing revealed a lot of valuable information, and they did keep the case in the public spotlight, for which they deserve credit.

Unfortunately, they soon started treating it more like a ratings bonanza than they did a serious criminal investigation. It started to look like a lot of the reporters sent to cover the case were spending more time getting tans than they were engaging in serious journalism. Fox News even sent Alan Combs down there one time, and I remembered thinking how tan he looked after having been there no more than two or three days at the very most.

My "Vacation Aruba" series of posts were critical of that aspect of the investigation, while at the same time I tried not to deride the legitimate investigation-I only wish there had really been one. That's why I formulated my theory of what happened. I actually put a lot of thought into it. A lot of the people paid to cover the story looked to me like the most thought they put into it was what was the best sunscreen to use.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 06:29:07 PM
Quote from: "A's Fever"
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

Maybe she means five meters for we can see it is farther than five feet from the ariel photo.

BTW, I read that article about the two little girls when I ran across it trying to read about GHB being used to drug and infect people with HIV and I don't know which is the sickest but guess the one involving children would qualify. :evil:


Anna, glad to hear your family is on the mend.  Just read about the accident last night.  Hope all continues to go well.


Thank You, A's,

Bad time to have a wreck on the way to cardio vascular surgery but I would have cancelled that.  They opted to get it over with as was too difficult to reschedule so at least that part is behind him now and he is recovering nicely.  They both are, thanks.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "A's Fever"
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

Maybe she means five meters for we can see it is farther than five feet from the ariel photo.

BTW, I read that article about the two little girls when I ran across it trying to read about GHB being used to drug and infect people with HIV and I don't know which is the sickest but guess the one involving children would qualify. :evil:


Anna, glad to hear your family is on the mend.  Just read about the accident last night.  Hope all continues to go well.


Thank You, A's,

Bad time to have a wreck on the way to cardio vascular surgery but I would have cancelled that.  They opted to get it over with as was too difficult to reschedule so at least that part is behind him now and he is recovering nicely.  They both are, thanks.

.


sounds like someone had a wild weekend  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 06:32:47 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

Maybe she means five meters for we can see it is farther than five feet from the ariel photo.

BTW, I read that article about the two little girls when I ran across it trying to read about GHB being used to drug and infect people with HIV and I don't know which is the sickest but guess the one involving children would qualify. :evil:


Could be..I didnt copy her post about feet or meters..

Reading stories like that bother me big time!! That drug is just evil and I am sure rapists get away with it all the time..I dont think Joran did though..I believe he was caught even before Natalee stepped foot in Aruba but they covered that up as well. Sexual assaults like like these are ignored quite often on those ABC islands.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2007, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: "blah"
[sounds like someone had a wild weekend  :shock:


Not me, my son and his dad totaled the car driving to Emory in Atlanta for my son to have vascular surgery.  Air bags deployed causing facial trauma to both of them and broke the father's nose and thumb.  Heavy SUV so must have been something.  

A fireman took them on to the hospital and they went ahead with the surgery while the father was treated in the ER and then the fireman even took them home again.

But son is doing well and has bandages off and is walking around a little bit now so all are on the mend.  Yes, was quite a day they had but to reschedule was not going to work with son's school schedule so they did the right thing.

Just glad it's over!

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 16, 2007, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"
On June 17, 2005 around 11.15 the witness S.GOTTENBOS was more closely interrogated. The statement given in Dutch and sounds as follows;

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following; I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following; The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following: It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

The boat was out the evening of Sunday May 29th.



Spock, nice find. We have heard that PVDS borrowed the Gottenbos boat. Supposedly the boat was used just after Natalee disappeared, that came out very early on from Beth and Dave so the cops must know something.


Koen Gottenbos

Friend of Kalpoe's and v/d Sloot interviewed  6/16/05  17:15 by  Luigi Croes / Juan Boezem. Also interviewed 6/18 and 6/20. Any chance we can get these statements?



I would also like to add a comment I found today as I was roaming some older posts...just to remind everyone >>>>>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Posted by msmarple
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:26 am
 
 This was posted by Appeals on the LCD on 9/14/2006. I am including it because of a previous post here that quoted about the boat/radar tracking:

"Boats On Parade In Aruba"
By Meri Ulrich
Mar. 31, 2006

During his little show on "48 Hours", Gerald Dompig showed the audience some computer screens that are housed at the police department where he conducts his business. We saw boats being tracked and he claimed that those were the boats that were tracked on the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He showed that every single boat that came and went out of Aruba on that fateful night was tracked on that screen.

He lied.

On May 30th, 2005, Aruba had NO working tracking system in place. It didn't exist.

Raytheon Canada to Install Coastal Surveillance Radars in Dutch Caribbean
Posted 30-Nov-2005 03:10
Related stories: Americas - Other, Coastal & Littoral, Contracts - Awards, Europe - Other, Radars, Raytheon
Also on this day: 30-Nov-2005 »

Raytheon Canada won a contract valued at approximately $12 million (EUR 10 million) from the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles & Aruba (CGNA&A) to build an integrated coastal surveillance radar network on the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, including long-term maintenance and training.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 16, 2007, 06:50:20 PM
Didn't they have some antique old system and the one you mention wi the "upgrade"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I went through all of americaninaruba posts last night. Two things interested me.1.She knows the Van Der Sloots.2.Van Der Straaten opened his mouth too soon to the dutch press.She knew the layout of the VDS property and its obvious she has been there. In another post she described Jorans Apt being 5 feet away from the main bldg and the layout of the property.

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch…of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result…and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here….it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

ok i have to say you guys have a totaly wrong view of the VDS social status...they have a small house nothgin big just a normal neighbor hood home, the pool is very recent about 3 months, they ahve 2 cars that are like 7 years old (in aruba people change cars every 4 to 5 years), none of the kids have their own cars, they are the cheapest poeple youll ver meet and i think the mother hasnt had new clothes since 2000 becuae ive seen her in the same thign since forever! they DO NOT have a yacht and much less a mansion! just do get our perspectives in place...oh and the HOnda belonged to the Kalpoe brothers, JORAN does NOT have a car! he cant even drive! you get your licnese at 18 here NOT 16


She is obviously a friend of the family.  I will never understand why Van der Straaten opened his mouth so quickly.  Was he getting ready to charge the security guards and this all blew up in his face.

You can't gamble and drink until your 18 but that did that stop Joran.  

Does anyone remember the article in which they found a whole in the ground where they could have possibly fit a body.  I believe it was in the Enquirer or Globe.  I wonder if this was near the Marriott.  I have to look through my old papers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 06:54:17 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

Not me, my son and his dad totaled the car driving to Emory in Atlanta for my son to have vascular surgery.  Air bags deployed causing facial trauma to both of them and broke the father's nose and thumb.  Heavy SUV so must have been something.  

A fireman took them on to the hospital and they went ahead with the surgery while the father was treated in the ER and then the fireman even took them home again.

But son is doing well and has bandages off and is walking around a little bit now so all are on the mend.  Yes, was quite a day they had but to reschedule was not going to work with son's school schedule so they did the right thing.

Just glad it's over!

.

.

Anna ~ You must feel emotionally exhausted ~ I'm so glad they were okay.....your son must be something else to have been able to go ahead with the surgery!   :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 06:56:20 PM
Well,I think a guy a perv like joran doesn't quit,even in europe.He can't,it is in his blood,now.The pimps haven't quit,just new and younger prey.Koen was not questioned,his father gave the answers .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well,I think a guy a perv like joran doesn't quit,even in europe.He can't,it is in his blood,now.The pimps haven't quit,just new and younger prey.Koen was not questioned,his father gave the answers .


That's very strange about Koen, isn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 06:58:14 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
[sounds like someone had a wild weekend  :shock:


Not me, my son and his dad totaled the car driving to Emory in Atlanta for my son to have vascular surgery.  Air bags deployed causing facial trauma to both of them and broke the father's nose and thumb.  Heavy SUV so must have been something.  

A fireman took them on to the hospital and they went ahead with the surgery while the father was treated in the ER and then the fireman even took them home again.

But son is doing well and has bandages off and is walking around a little bit now so all are on the mend.  Yes, was quite a day they had but to reschedule was not going to work with son's school schedule so they did the right thing.

Just glad it's over!

.

.


if they got in an accident that was bad enough to total an SUV, then it was a pretty significant impact.  Sounds like all of the saftey equipment did its job if all they walked away with was some minor injuries - good to hear.

Heres a little something I can finally share with y'all - very soon you will start seeing the early stages of crash avoidance systems in the new vehicles.  There are some very impressive things going on right now with these systems, we have some things we are working on that will just knock your socks off (some very very small parts of these systems are already available in production - things such as lane departure warnings)   Its going to be several years yet before the full blown systems are available.  Some things are pending on the governments commitment - or lack of - to fund certain infrastucture that needs to be put in place.  There are other non-government entities also looking into providing the infrastructure needed for the full blown systems.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: "blah"

Heres a little something I can finally share with y'all - very soon you will start seeing the early stages of crash avoidance systems in the new vehicles.  There are some very impressive things going on right now with these systems, we have some things we are working on that will just knock your socks off (some very very small parts of these systems are already available in production - things such as lane departure warnings)   Its going to be several years yet before the full blown systems are available.  Some things are pending on the governments commitment - or lack of - to fund certain infrastucture that needs to be put in place.  There are other non-government entities also looking into providing the infrastructure needed for the full blown systems.


Blah - thanks for sharing this with us. It sounds very exciting! When you talk about "infrastructure," can you be more specific concerning what that means? TY


Title: Happy about your daughter
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 07:06:35 PM
Lady Devon,

I am sooooo happy you heard from your daughter.  :lol:  :lol: I hope your daughter will get some sleep before starting across New Mexico... that stretch to Tuscon is very long, boring and hot.

Some interstates in the West desert you can make great time on for the speed is higher and the traffic less than on the Eastern Coast.

Sorry to hear about the loss of money, and the trauma, but her driving on shows she is strong. You have raised her well.

worried couldn't sleep until 5 am (8 your time) so am just checking in. Please keep us posted. Love, IBE still pages behind


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 07:08:29 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
I went through all of americaninaruba posts last night. Two things interested me.1.She knows the Van Der Sloots.2.Van Der Straaten opened his mouth too soon to the dutch press.She knew the layout of the VDS property and its obvious she has been there. In another post she described Jorans Apt being 5 feet away from the main bldg and the layout of the property.

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch…of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result…and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here….it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

ok i have to say you guys have a totaly wrong view of the VDS social status...they have a small house nothgin big just a normal neighbor hood home, the pool is very recent about 3 months, they ahve 2 cars that are like 7 years old (in aruba people change cars every 4 to 5 years), none of the kids have their own cars, they are the cheapest poeple youll ver meet and i think the mother hasnt had new clothes since 2000 becuae ive seen her in the same thign since forever! they DO NOT have a yacht and much less a mansion! just do get our perspectives in place...oh and the HOnda belonged to the Kalpoe brothers, JORAN does NOT have a car! he cant even drive! you get your licnese at 18 here NOT 16


She is obviously a friend of the family.  I will never understand why Van der Straaten opened his mouth so quickly.  Was he getting ready to charge the security guards and this all blew up in his face.

You can't gamble and drink until your 18 but that did that stop Joran.  

Does anyone remember the article in which they found a whole in the ground where they could have possibly fit a body.  I believe it was in the Enquirer or Globe.  I wonder if this was near the Marriott.  I have to look through my old papers.


I think at that time he was ready to disclose the goods on JK2 as the security guards were out of the loop already. It looked like a slam dunk case but I think Rudy Croes stepped in at this point. Jan probably helped out Joran earlier in the year when he was accused of drugging and raping local girls. This would all come black and blow up in his face as he let Joran off the hook earlier so he is partly responsible to what happened to Natalee. Van Der Straaten knew what happened to NH and stayed for along time to make sure the case would have no evidence and was covered up to protect him,his best friend and his son.

I remember the whole found by TES as I believe it was a tip from a young boy. Not sure where that was located but Tim thinks that NH may have been buried there..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well,I think a guy a perv like joran doesn't quit,even in europe.He can't,it is in his blood,now.The pimps haven't quit,just new and younger prey.Koen was not questioned,his father gave the answers .


That's very strange about Koen, isn't it?


I know we were told Koen was never questioned, but the timesline says he was on 6/17, 6/18, 6/20 and again in August. On two of those dates Sanders was also questioned at the same time. We just don't have the statements.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
I went through all of americaninaruba posts last night. Two things interested me.1.She knows the Van Der Sloots.2.Van Der Straaten opened his mouth too soon to the dutch press.She knew the layout of the VDS property and its obvious she has been there. In another post she described Jorans Apt being 5 feet away from the main bldg and the layout of the property.

***NEWS****
Vander straten informed ppress dutch…of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result…and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here….it iis not known what is happeneing

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:

ok i have to say you guys have a totaly wrong view of the VDS social status...they have a small house nothgin big just a normal neighbor hood home, the pool is very recent about 3 months, they ahve 2 cars that are like 7 years old (in aruba people change cars every 4 to 5 years), none of the kids have their own cars, they are the cheapest poeple youll ver meet and i think the mother hasnt had new clothes since 2000 becuae ive seen her in the same thign since forever! they DO NOT have a yacht and much less a mansion! just do get our perspectives in place...oh and the HOnda belonged to the Kalpoe brothers, JORAN does NOT have a car! he cant even drive! you get your licnese at 18 here NOT 16


She is obviously a friend of the family.  I will never understand why Van der Straaten opened his mouth so quickly.  Was he getting ready to charge the security guards and this all blew up in his face.

You can't gamble and drink until your 18 but that did that stop Joran.  

Does anyone remember the article in which they found a whole in the ground where they could have possibly fit a body.  I believe it was in the Enquirer or Globe.  I wonder if this was near the Marriott.  I have to look through my old papers.


I think at that time he was ready to disclose the goods on JK2 as the security guards were out of the loop already. It looked like a slam dunk case but I think Rudy Croes stepped in at this point. Jan probably helped out Joran earlier in the year when he was accused of drugging and raping local girls. This would all come black and blow up in his face as he let Joran off the hook earlier so he is partly responsible to what happened to Natalee. Van Der Straaten knew what happened to NH and stayed for along time to make sure the case would have no evidence and was covered up to protect him,his best friend and his son.

I remember the whole found by TES as I believe it was a tip from a young boy. Not sure where that was located but Tim thinks that NH may have been buried there..

I feel Van der Straaten never was going to charge J2K.  I also feel Van der Straaten saw a dead Natalee.  Paulus involved Straaten.  I believe it was Van der Straaten who went to court to be put back on the case.  I find that very strange.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 16, 2007, 07:20:06 PM
Anna somehow I missed reading about your weekend. Am glad everything turned out OK and the fireman had the goodness to take your son and the father home. It's like Mrs. Red's post on kindness.

Best to you,  IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Well, they may not need any cooperation from Aruba if in international waters.  Also, Aruba would be foolish to attempt interferrance.


Good point!  Although, wouldn't be nice if they could for once do the right thing and be of assistance?  I mean, c'mon...isn't two plus years enough?  She needs to be found and laid to rest already!!

Hope everyone has been doing ok, btw...

I don't think ALE can do anything to help.  The ships (2), the personnel and equipment are very sophisticated.  There will be people that do their specific jobs.  They don't need ALE to assist them.  They need ALE to stay out of their way.

Everything is great!  Did you see we got back some of our old archives?  Go to the main forum and scroll down to the locked archive threads.



ALE would be utter fools to inject themselves into this search. The Aruba government gave the case to Holland after they realized they didn't have the stomach to prosecute their own. ALE are now the step-and-fetchits for KLPD.

Dompig had his chance to get some of the FBI premier deepwater boats in to search offshore and couldn't get up off his fat ass to give them approval. Or was somebody above Dompig calling the shots. I'll choose #2.

You are right Klass, ALE should just stay out of the way and let professionals do the job they could and should have done when they had the case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 16, 2007, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Didn't they have some antique old system and the one you mention wi the "upgrade"?



I believe that is what either or both RU and Fob'ers explained it...not sure.
So many lies, so few hours in a day  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "blah"

Heres a little something I can finally share with y'all - very soon you will start seeing the early stages of crash avoidance systems in the new vehicles.  There are some very impressive things going on right now with these systems, we have some things we are working on that will just knock your socks off (some very very small parts of these systems are already available in production - things such as lane departure warnings)   Its going to be several years yet before the full blown systems are available.  Some things are pending on the governments commitment - or lack of - to fund certain infrastucture that needs to be put in place.  There are other non-government entities also looking into providing the infrastructure needed for the full blown systems.


Blah - thanks for sharing this with us. It sounds very exciting! When you talk about "infrastructure," can you be more specific concerning what that means? TY


trying not to hijack the thread so I will put it very simply - think of very intelligent traffic signals capable of being able to tell that someone might not be able to stop for a red light so it warns the driver and/or vehicle.  If the light is not able to make the vehicle stop safley, it could warn and hold all of the other vehicles at the intersection until the out of control guy goes through, at which time it will probably automatically issue that guy a warning or a ticket if he has a record for running lights.

Think of your vehicle communicating to all of the other vehicles around it.  Think of outposts set up all over the place broadcasting weather conditions and data about the road surface to your vehicle so your vehicle can calculate safe speeds, maintain a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or be able to calculate an evasive manuever if a situation gets critical.  Your vehicle will actually be able to work out a plan with all of the other vehicles around you, notifying each other of the path they will take in the event they need to avoid a crash or obstacle.

Most of the time, these systems will be making adjustments to your driving behavior long before things get that critical, avoid the crash long before it becomes imminent.

anyhow, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 07:29:40 PM
Quote from: "blah"

trying not to hijack the thread so I will put it very simply - think of very intelligent traffic signals capable of being able to tell that someone might not be able to stop for a red light so it warns the driver and/or vehicle.  If the light is not able to make the vehicle stop safley, it could warn and hold all of the other vehicles at the intersection until the out of control guy goes through, at which time it will probably automatically issue that guy a warning or a ticket if he has a record for running lights.

Think of your vehicle communicating to all of the other vehicles around it.  Think of outposts set up all over the place broadcasting weather conditions and data about the road surface to your vehicle so your vehicle can calculate safe speeds, maintain a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or be able to calculate an evasive manuever if a situation gets critical.  Your vehicle will actually be able to work out a plan with all of the other vehicles around you, notifying each other of the path they will take in the event they need to avoid a crash or obstacle.

Most of the time, these systems will be making adjustments to your driving behavior long before things get that critical, avoid the crash long before it becomes imminent.

anyhow, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.


That is sooooooo cool! I hope it's not too many years  before all of this takes place. In our area, three interstate highways come together, and we get more than our share of terrible accidents. It would be so great for at least some of those to be prevented.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: "San"

I feel Van der Straaten never was going to charge J2K.  I also feel Van der Straaten saw a dead Natalee.  Paulus involved Straaten.  I believe it was Van der Straaten who went to court to be put back on the case.  I find that very strange.



Oduber wanted Van der Straten removed from the case immediately but the police union bucked and kept him in regardless of the obvious conflict of interest. Ben King from the Aruba public ministry's office takes a vacation to help out his good pal Paulus and then another bosom buddy Judge Bob Wit shows up at the front door of the Van der Sloot residence to shut down the search.

My question is, did these idiots think nobody would get the connections?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 16, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
The possible grave site was in a remote area on the east side of the island. I believe Tim Miller took a look at it, he did say it looked like someone had dug an area there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 16, 2007, 07:31:04 PM
Spock wrote:

On June 17, 2005 around 11.15 the witness S.GOTTENBOS was more closely interrogated. The statement given in Dutch and sounds as follows;

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following; I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following; The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.
On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following: It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".


And remember.......JORAN DOES NOT GO OUT ON BOATS because he gets sea sick  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 07:31:25 PM
and certain dealers won't like these features Blah for they make their bigger money in the back-end and their body shops  :lol:

I hope they all get implemented, we need the safety features !

I do believe in Tim's interview he stated that the ALE was 'welcome to join us' but I think it might have been tongue-in-cheek but Tim's style is so laid back I thought it was gracious of him in light of how the ALE has worked against his best efforts  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 16, 2007, 07:33:24 PM
San

Shallow grave - "Texas EquuSearch" team received an in-person tip from an Aruban man who gave them a specific location on the north side of the island within “Arikok National Park” to search. When the team got there, about 100’ from the road they found an open 4’ deep and 6’ long hole that MILLER stated, “certainly looks like a grave site that was possibly dug up.” MILLER also said something “definitely was buried,” the hole was “manmade, remote, had easy access yet hard to see.” He described the 7-12 tipster as white, in his 20’s, 5’ 7”, and 140 pounds, with a dark complexion.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=255


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 07:34:13 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Yo Monkeys

Any word on the TES search lately??


I know you probably were answered already, but it's on the fp... http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/15/texas-equusearch-going-back-to-aruba-in-3-4-weeks-with-superior-offshore-international-to-search-for-natalee-holloway/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 07:35:12 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "blah"

trying not to hijack the thread so I will put it very simply - think of very intelligent traffic signals capable of being able to tell that someone might not be able to stop for a red light so it warns the driver and/or vehicle.  If the light is not able to make the vehicle stop safley, it could warn and hold all of the other vehicles at the intersection until the out of control guy goes through, at which time it will probably automatically issue that guy a warning or a ticket if he has a record for running lights.

Think of your vehicle communicating to all of the other vehicles around it.  Think of outposts set up all over the place broadcasting weather conditions and data about the road surface to your vehicle so your vehicle can calculate safe speeds, maintain a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or be able to calculate an evasive manuever if a situation gets critical.  Your vehicle will actually be able to work out a plan with all of the other vehicles around you, notifying each other of the path they will take in the event they need to avoid a crash or obstacle.

Most of the time, these systems will be making adjustments to your driving behavior long before things get that critical, avoid the crash long before it becomes imminent.

anyhow, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.


That is sooooooo cool! I hope it's not too many years  before all of this takes place. In our area, three interstate highways come together, and we get more than our share of terrible accidents. It would be so great for at least some of those to be prevented.  :D


there are already towns in this country and others set-up and being used for testing  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 16, 2007, 07:39:11 PM
Been thinking about the Big Ships.  Don't you think these ships have done work all around those islands??  Maybe they already have all those "international" licenses needed.  Seems that lots of the overseas companies have contracted with them....and if not...with pipelines and fiberoptics, etc., I don't think any country would want to burn bridges...just in case they need the Big Boys...in the future.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 16, 2007, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
[sounds like someone had a wild weekend  :shock:


Not me, my son and his dad totaled the car driving to Emory in Atlanta for my son to have vascular surgery.  Air bags deployed causing facial trauma to both of them and broke the father's nose and thumb.  Heavy SUV so must have been something.  

A fireman took them on to the hospital and they went ahead with the surgery while the father was treated in the ER and then the fireman even took them home again.

But son is doing well and has bandages off and is walking around a little bit now so all are on the mend.  Yes, was quite a day they had but to reschedule was not going to work with son's school schedule so they did the right thing.

Just glad it's ov
.

.



Sorry to hear about that Anna!  Glad they are ok.  My sister has vascular disease and has had quite a few surgeries, I hope this is not the case with your son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Been thinking about the Big Ships.  Don't you think these ships have done work all around those islands??  Maybe they already have all those "international" licenses needed.  Seems that lots of the overseas companies have contracted with them....and if not...with pipelines and fiberoptics, etc., I don't think any country would want to burn bridges...just in case they need the Big Boys...in the future.


Good point Buckeye


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 16, 2007, 07:46:38 PM
How is Angie today? Lurking and reading, I hope. Angie, hope your arm is getting better.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"

I feel Van der Straaten never was going to charge J2K.  I also feel Van der Straaten saw a dead Natalee.  Paulus involved Straaten.  I believe it was Van der Straaten who went to court to be put back on the case.  I find that very strange.



Oduber wanted Van der Straten removed from the case immediately but the police union bucked and kept him in regardless of the obvious conflict of interest. Ben King from the Aruba public ministry's office takes a vacation to help out his good pal Paulus and then another bosom buddy Judge Bob Wit shows up at the front door of the Van der Sloot residence to shut down the search.

My question is, did these idiots think nobody would get the connections?


I think by the middle of June that Van Der Straaten did everything he could to help out Paulus and Joran. He gave them 10 days to get there stories straight and to get rid of all the evidence. He hired Dennis Jacobs to do all the dirty work but it wasnt enough. My opinion is that in his mind there were too many witnesses and circumstancial evidence and he would do whatever he could to make sure that Joran was commited to a mental institute and not a prison. I think he thought the evidence was overwelming and it all pointed right at JK2. I think someone stepped in like a Rudy Croes/Oduber to make sure this case never went forward and covered up what Van Der Straaten had no control of..MO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 16, 2007, 07:48:44 PM
On that shallow grave thing ...

At some point Tim said he thought they might have been sent on a wild goose chase, that the grave was some locals' idea of a good joke. He had stopped for gas one afternoon and a man came up to him and sent him to the grave location. Nothing was there, and all that was accomplished was that the TES focus was turned away from something else they were doing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 07:50:57 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
and certain dealers won't like these features Blah for they make their bigger money in the back-end and their body shops  :lol:


maybe so but your insurance company will love it  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 07:51:43 PM
Blah.... I have to say that I LOVE the advantrac in my SUV.,....it works well.. and really saved my butt before!!  So I am excited to hear this...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 16, 2007, 07:54:02 PM
Hi everyone,

Don't have a face but that's ok, I guess.

Interesting to me was to read that Obuber was in FLA when Natalee went missing and immediately didn't want Van Der Straaten on the case..

Makes me wonder why? Was pvds in with both and neither knew about the other, and what does pvds have on each????

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 07:59:40 PM
heres some older information that is public knowledge
http://www.ntoctalks.com/icdn/schagrin_cicas.php

you can also google "Crash Avoidance Metrics Partnership" and i'm sure you can find some older information thats been made public (we are no longer a member of CAMP)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
San

Shallow grave - "Texas EquuSearch" team received an in-person tip from an Aruban man who gave them a specific location on the north side of the island within “Arikok National Park” to search. When the team got there, about 100’ from the road they found an open 4’ deep and 6’ long hole that MILLER stated, “certainly looks like a grave site that was possibly dug up.” MILLER also said something “definitely was buried,” the hole was “manmade, remote, had easy access yet hard to see.” He described the 7-12 tipster as white, in his 20’s, 5’ 7”, and 140 pounds, with a dark complexion.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=255


Thank you Spock and Buckeye.

I found the picture I was thinking of that was in the Enquirer.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/ArubaHoleinGround-1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Hi everyone,

Don't have a face but that's ok, I guess.

Interesting to me was to read that Obuber was in FLA when Natalee went missing and immediately didn't want Van Der Straaten on the case..

Makes me wonder why? Was pvds in with both and neither knew about the other, and what does pvds have on each????

OS

I added your avatar back for you  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 08:01:16 PM
PG Teresa F. Croes letter > the one from 06 that Klaas/******* posted from the Dutch website.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/Klaasen3/sub2/LetterCroesFernandez1.jpg

I babblefished it and i think this is pretty close to what she writes (in response to the author blaming her and v/d Straten for the failed investigation);

- In the first 8 days of the investigation she was in the NL, not Aruba.

- She was first notified of the disappearance in the late afternoon of June 2nd by the public prosecuter (presumably KJ). At this time she was given no information regarding suspects.

- She was not consulted regarding the 6/5 arrests of the SGs, and learned of it on TV.

- During the period that v/d Straten was in charge of the case she had no contact with him personally or via the telephone regarding the investigation, or anything else.

- By law the public prosecuter (KJ) has control of the case, therefore she had no input concerning the direction of the case, nor any of the arrests.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 16, 2007, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Hi everyone,

Don't have a face but that's ok, I guess.

Interesting to me was to read that Obuber was in FLA when Natalee went missing and immediately didn't want Van Der Straaten on the case..

Makes me wonder why? Was pvds in with both and neither knew about the other, and what does pvds have on each????

OS

I added your avatar back for you  :D


Thank you Klaas,

I tried from my pc but it didn't work. must have been too big...

Thanks again,

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
Igsigs - thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"

I feel Van der Straaten never was going to charge J2K.  I also feel Van der Straaten saw a dead Natalee.  Paulus involved Straaten.  I believe it was Van der Straaten who went to court to be put back on the case.  I find that very strange.



Oduber wanted Van der Straten removed from the case immediately but the police union bucked and kept him in regardless of the obvious conflict of interest. Ben King from the Aruba public ministry's office takes a vacation to help out his good pal Paulus and then another bosom buddy Judge Bob Wit shows up at the front door of the Van der Sloot residence to shut down the search.

My question is, did these idiots think nobody would get the connections?


I think by the middle of June that Van Der Straaten did everything he could to help out Paulus and Joran. He gave them 10 days to get there stories straight and to get rid of all the evidence. He hired Dennis Jacobs to do all the dirty work but it wasnt enough. My opinion is that in his mind there were too many witnesses and circumstancial evidence and he would do whatever he could to make sure that Joran was commited to a mental institute and not a prison. I think he thought the evidence was overwelming and it all pointed right at JK2. I think someone stepped in like a Rudy Croes/Oduber to make sure this case never went forward and covered up what Van Der Straaten had no control of..MO


I agree *******. I think this thing started small and just kept mushrooming because too many influential Arubans had a dog in the fight.

Paulus' good friends Van der Straten, Vocking, and Judge Wit were trying to protect the Sloots on a personal level.

Oduber and Rudy were trying to protect tourism and couldn't bear the thought of a dead American girl being murdered and found on their island.

The hotel and casino owners were trying to keep their drug and money laundering interests from being exposed.

So none of them wanted the case solved and especially did not want the FBI involved. Before you know it, it's a full blown cover-up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: A's Fever on July 16, 2007, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "blah"

Heres a little something I can finally share with y'all - very soon you will start seeing the early stages of crash avoidance systems in the new vehicles.  There are some very impressive things going on right now with these systems, we have some things we are working on that will just knock your socks off (some very very small parts of these systems are already available in production - things such as lane departure warnings)   Its going to be several years yet before the full blown systems are available.  Some things are pending on the governments commitment - or lack of - to fund certain infrastucture that needs to be put in place.  There are other non-government entities also looking into providing the infrastructure needed for the full blown systems.


Blah - thanks for sharing this with us. It sounds very exciting! When you talk about "infrastructure," can you be more specific concerning what that means? TY


trying not to hijack the thread so I will put it very simply - think of very intelligent traffic signals capable of being able to tell that someone might not be able to stop for a red light so it warns the driver and/or vehicle.  If the light is not able to make the vehicle stop safley, it could warn and hold all of the other vehicles at the intersection until the out of control guy goes through, at which time it will probably automatically issue that guy a warning or a ticket if he has a record for running lights.

Think of your vehicle communicating to all of the other vehicles around it.  Think of outposts set up all over the place broadcasting weather conditions and data about the road surface to your vehicle so your vehicle can calculate safe speeds, maintain a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or be able to calculate an evasive manuever if a situation gets critical.  Your vehicle will actually be able to work out a plan with all of the other vehicles around you, notifying each other of the path they will take in the event they need to avoid a crash or obstacle.

Most of the time, these systems will be making adjustments to your driving behavior long before things get that critical, avoid the crash long before it becomes imminent.

anyhow, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.


That's so very exciting, Blah!  But with teenagers in the house, I wish these systems could be introduced sooner, rather than later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
PG Teresa F. Croes letter > the one from 06 that Klaas/******* posted from the Dutch website.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/Klaasen3/sub2/LetterCroesFernandez1.jpg

I babblefished it and i think this is pretty close to what she writes (in response to the author blaming her and v/d Straten for the failed investigation);

- In the first 8 days of the investigation she was in the NL, not Aruba.

- She was first notified of the disappearance in the late afternoon of June 2nd by the public prosecuter (presumably KJ). At this time she was given no information regarding suspects.

- She was not consulted regarding the 6/5 arrests of the SGs, and learned of it on TV.

- During the period that v/d Straten was in charge of the case she had no contact with him personally or via the telephone regarding the investigation, or anything else.

- By law the public prosecuter (KJ) has control of the case, therefore she had no input concerning the direction of the case, nor any of the arrests.



I think there is a statement from her trasnlated to English saying those exact things Igsigs. What is her position in the government, Attorney General? Why wouldn't she be involved?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Igsigs - thanks!


Yeh..Thanks..I was gonna translate that later.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:17:15 PM
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


you mean besides when she tried to slam Greta in the car door?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 08:19:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Igsigs - thanks!

YW  :arrow:

Talk about distancing oneself from the investigation. lol > good job TF!

IIRC, DeVries said Teresa sat in on many of the case meeting...and said that enabled the suspects to get access to case information and change their stories accordingly. It is unclear if DeVries directly accuses TF of helping the suspects, or of just causing confusion. The show transcriptions are unclear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

It was T. Croes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


you mean besides when she tried to slam Greta in the car door?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


yes funny man  :lol: I know tyler or anna would remember  :lol:

 :P  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

It was T. Croes.


yea San you smarty, thank you  :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 16, 2007, 08:21:14 PM
:arrow: http://nataleeholloway.tripod.com/

Going through my Nat folders today and came upon this...has a ton of links to news links w/ dates, some videos and much more. I know many of you have this already, but some may have forgotten about it like I did.


I do have a question for anyone...Can someone please tell me which Chicago video is missing...the # of it please???  Also, apx. what date it went poof?? Thanks in advance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

It was T. Croes.


This got way out of hand and even Rudy Croes went public about it and said it had to stop or he would have to take action.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !


yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !



Refresh my memory, who didn't work with someone or wasn't related to someone in that damn government?  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !


yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details


That was just dumbpig..She handled the divorce for his ex wife..Pitbull's sister..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

Janssen got rid of Teresa' daughter.

This was the daughters favorite line:  I can not confirm or deny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.


That is exactly right!! Well done!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  :?

Klaas? San? either of you remember?


didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??


I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !


yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details


That was just dumbpig..She handled the divorce for his ex wife..Pitbull's sister..



ahhhh  thanks, I knew I was mixing 2 different things up  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
Dayhiker..... great point.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.



The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.



The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.



The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.


Were we not supposed to know that Paulus was charged? Was Marianne being too honest for them? Could they not control the message with her as spokesperson, so they get her ousted stick an AHATA person in? IMO, I thought Marianne Croes was the only spokesperson they ever had who told it straight. Everybody they put in afterwards got caught telling lies. Ruben, Tito, Cohen, the whole lot of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:37:59 PM
igsigs thanks for remembering all the details I could not !! Love the cell phone payback  :lol:  :lol:

it was a cat fight !  :lol:

dayhiker it's the aruban way, employ your kin in those government jobs  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.



The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?


thats whole island needs to be burned to the ground.

By the way, there has been some story in the last week of some Bigfoot searchers looking around out in the woods in Michigan and they claim they recorded the call "that could only come from bigfoot"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707120357


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  :lol:

True story.



The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.


Were we not supposed to know that Paulus was charged? Was Marianne being too honest for them? Could they not control the message with her as spokesperson, so they get her ousted stick an AHATA person in? IMO, I thought Marianne Croes was the only spokesperson they ever had who told it straight. Everybody they put in afterwards got caught telling lies. Ruben, Tito, Cohen, the whole lot of them.


Exactly she was not suppose to tell the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 08:40:49 PM
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 16, 2007, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
PG Teresa F. Croes letter > the one from 06 that Klaas/******* posted from the Dutch website.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/Klaasen3/sub2/LetterCroesFernandez1.jpg

I babblefished it and i think this is pretty close to what she writes (in response to the author blaming her and v/d Straten for the failed investigation);

- In the first 8 days of the investigation she was in the NL, not Aruba.

- She was first notified of the disappearance in the late afternoon of June 2nd by the public prosecuter (presumably KJ). At this time she was given no information regarding suspects.

- She was not consulted regarding the 6/5 arrests of the SGs, and learned of it on TV.

- During the period that v/d Straten was in charge of the case she had no contact with him personally or via the telephone regarding the investigation, or anything else.

- By law the public prosecuter (KJ) has control of the case, therefore she had no input concerning the direction of the case, nor any of the arrests.


That's what I took from it also.  Thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: "blah"


By the way, there has been some story in the last week of some Bigfoot searchers looking around out in the woods in Michigan and they claim they recorded the call "that could only come from bigfoot"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707120357



Damn, I just moved three weeks ago! Can't a kind, loving, oversized teddybear get some rest?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 16, 2007, 08:44:56 PM
One of the things that has always bothered me is PVDS sweaty profusely when Beth & Greta was at their home.  I have never seen him looking all that sweaty in any of the pics I've seen.  Either the body or some kind of evidence was there...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:


scroll to the bottom of that page and click on "read all comments" - will make you laugh for sure !!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:



Knew I should have gone with Verizon! Loose lips sink ships.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
One of the things that has always bothered me is PVDS sweaty profusely when Beth & Greta was at their home.  I have never seen him looking all that sweaty in any of the pics I've seen.  Either the body or some kind of evidence was there...

I agree.  I also believe Paulus was trying to pull the con of a life time and he drowned in his own sweat that idiot.  He thought he was going to fool Beth and Greta.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:



Knew I should have gone with Verizon! Loose lips sink ships.


LOL!! That guy is a fraud!! If there were Bigfoots there would have be thousands of them in the world as they claim they are in china,canada,russia,tibet,himalayas and all over the U.S....Where is the proof???? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
(http://www.pokernews.com/i/xsmiles/labas.gif)  gang

Just peeking in for a bit...
Sorry but I have a Question...
Where the hell are we in the Dr. Phil lawsuit !
Who's court is the dammed ball in  or have the K's decided to duck & run.. :?

Sorry & TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:



Knew I should have gone with Verizon! Loose lips sink ships.


LOL!! That guy is a fraud!! If there were Bigfoots there would have be thousands of them in the world as they claim they are in china,canada,russia,tibet,himalayas and all over the U.S....Where is the proof???? :wink:


oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????

(http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/?action=view&current=ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg)

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:



Knew I should have gone with Verizon! Loose lips sink ships.


LOL!! That guy is a fraud!! If there were Bigfoots there would have be thousands of them in the world as they claim they are in china,canada,russia,tibet,himalayas and all over the U.S....Where is the proof???? :wink:


oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg)
 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: "blah"
[oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????
<< Snip >>


this is a pic of an E.T.  not a bigfoot ...
JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 09:00:02 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "blah"
[oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????
<< Snip >>


this is a pic of an E.T.  not a bigfoot ...
JMO of course


and this....????

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/hillary_funny.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 16, 2007, 09:00:04 PM
Quote from: "blah"


oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/?action=view&current=ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg

 :lol:


NO excuse, and please don't blind me first thing this evening?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Dana Pretzer Show - Monday, July 16th, 2007 - Special Guests Fred Rosen, Eric Spinato and Cheyenne Jackson

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio: Monday July 16th 9pm et

Special Guests:

Author Fred Rosen - His new Book “There But For The Grace Of God “Survivors Of The 20th Century’s Infamous Serial Killers”
Eric Spinato - President and CEO Spinato & Associates on the article from the Sun Sentinel, “Aruba Official Top Choice for Palm Beach County Tourism Chief”  
Cheyenne Jackson - On Missing Person Cole Jackson

www.scaredmonkeys.com
www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


NOW!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 16, 2007, 09:01:42 PM
BTW, hello to all you marvelous monkeys!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
One of the things that has always bothered me is PVDS sweaty profusely when Beth & Greta was at their home.  I have never seen him looking all that sweaty in any of the pics I've seen.  Either the body or some kind of evidence was there...

JuJu - I agree


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 16, 2007, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone  :lol:  :lol:



Knew I should have gone with Verizon! Loose lips sink ships.


LOL!! That guy is a fraud!! If there were Bigfoots there would have be thousands of them in the world as they claim they are in china,canada,russia,tibet,himalayas and all over the U.S....Where is the proof???? :wink:


oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????

(http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/?action=view&current=ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg)

 :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: good one


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "blah"
[oh yeah?  Well then how do you explain this????
<< Snip >>


this is a pic of an E.T.  not a bigfoot ...
JMO of course


and this....????

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/hillary_funny.jpg)


 :oops:  the results of a wedgie or a goose  :oops:  :roll:

Off of listen to Dana
Seeyaa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 09:03:29 PM
I just got on Dana... who is he interviewing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Dana Pretzer Show - Monday, July 16th, 2007 - Special Guests Fred Rosen, Eric Spinato and Cheyenne Jackson

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio: Monday July 16th 9pm et

Special Guests:

Author Fred Rosen - His new Book “There But For The Grace Of God “Survivors Of The 20th Century’s Infamous Serial Killers”
Eric Spinato - President and CEO Spinato & Associates on the article from the Sun Sentinel, “Aruba Official Top Choice for Palm Beach County Tourism Chief”  
Cheyenne Jackson - On Missing Person Cole Jackson

www.scaredmonkeys.com
www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


NOW!


WTF????   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I just got on Dana... who is he interviewing?


not sure but I think it is some crazy guy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
Eric Spinato - President and CEO Spinato & Associates on the article from the Sun Sentinel, “Aruba Official Top Choice for Palm Beach County Tourism Chief”
 this ought to be interesting ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
Blah - I was just reminding everyone the Dana Pretzer show is on now.  Didn't mean to seem like I was yelling, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Dana Pretzer Show - Monday, July 16th, 2007 - Special Guests Fred Rosen, Eric Spinato and Cheyenne Jackson

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio: Monday July 16th 9pm et

Special Guests:

Author Fred Rosen - His new Book “There But For The Grace Of God “Survivors Of The 20th Century’s Infamous Serial Killers”
Eric Spinato - President and CEO Spinato & Associates on the article from the Sun Sentinel, “Aruba Official Top Choice for Palm Beach County Tourism Chief”  
Cheyenne Jackson - On Missing Person Cole Jackson

www.scaredmonkeys.com
www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


NOW!

I got Dana on my AOL Media Player and I don't know how that happened. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:08:37 PM
Wow San - cool!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: blah on July 16, 2007, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Blah - I was just reminding everyone the Dana Pretzer show is on now.  Didn't mean to seem like I was yelling, lol  :lol:


oh you took that the wrong way...

I meant WTF IS THIS GUY CRAZY???   :lol:  :lol:

(the 1st guy Dana was interviewing) :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 16, 2007, 09:09:14 PM
Yeah, I could hear Dana clearly for a few seconds.  Ahhhhh.......progress!!!!


It's jumping between playing & bufferring.  Now it sounds like he is talking a mile a minute.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: "San"
I got Dana on my AOL Media Player and I don't know how that happened. :D

My fired up Meida Player inplace of Real Player this time to...
I kinda liked the option of listening to one or the other  :oops:  in different windows.  But I'm not complaning  for I can stil hear the show.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dana on July 16, 2007, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Yeah, I could hear Dana clearly for a few seconds.  Ahhhhh.......progress!!!!


It's jumping between playing & bufferring.  Now it sounds like he is talking a mile a minute.


hey great to have you, my first guest was the elvis cup guy
www.elviscup.com
He is always fun to have on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Red on July 16, 2007, 09:26:30 PM
Fred Rosen is great ... worthy of the "RED" don't beat around the bush award, ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Fred Rosen is great ... worthy of the "RED" don't beat around the bush award, ;)

Yes, he was fun to listen to  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Wow San - cool!


You should thank DUGGA for that one!!

Fred Rosen was super interesting...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 09:30:38 PM
I would like to see Beth Twitty plug her book on Dana's show in a couple of months.. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 16, 2007, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "blah"


By the way, there has been some story in the last week of some Bigfoot searchers looking around out in the woods in Michigan and they claim they recorded the call "that could only come from bigfoot"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707120357



Damn, I just moved three weeks ago! Can't a kind, loving, oversized teddybear get some rest?


Of course you can, just keep your voice down!! shh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Wow San - cool!


You should thank DUGGA for that one!!

Fred Rosen was super interesting...

Thanks Dugga.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Wow San - cool!


You should thank DUGGA for that one!!

Fred Rosen was super interesting...

Thanks Dugga.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Red on July 16, 2007, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I would like to see Beth Twitty plug her book on Dana's show in a couple of months.. :wink:


Spoke briefly with Beth a while back and we have already lined it up. ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 16, 2007, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: "Dana"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Yeah, I could hear Dana clearly for a few seconds.  Ahhhhh.......progress!!!!


It's jumping between playing & bufferring.  Now it sounds like he is talking a mile a minute.


hey great to have you, my first guest was the elvis cup guy
www.elviscup.com
He is always fun to have on.


He kind of looks like Easy!!  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "*******"
I would like to see Beth Twitty plug her book on Dana's show in a couple of months.. :wink:


Spoke briefly with Beth a while back and we have already lined it up. ;)


Thats great :D Would be nice to hear Beth before the book comes out so we can get a sneak peak.. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "*******"
I would like to see Beth Twitty plug her book on Dana's show in a couple of months.. :wink:


Spoke briefly with Beth a while back and we have already lined it up. ;)

Great news Red..  
Just hope it is after a MSM show.. so that she can say what she wants to ...
Not what MSM ask's of her


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
I'll change my avatar in a second so Klaas won't have a heart attack, but look how cute my hubby is.  :D

Don't blink or you'll miss it.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 09:48:11 PM
(http://www.missingexploited.com/images/ColeJacksonP.jpg)

http://missingexploited.com/category/cole-jackson/

Thirty-three-year old Cole Jackson was last seen on July 13, about a quarter-mile from the church, when he came out of the backside of private pasture and rammed his truck through an elderly man’s fence. He stopped briefly to say he was sorry and would make good on the fence, but first he had to get away from the “bad people” chasing him.

The following day, his truck was found abandoned in a pasture about a mile down the road where the vehicle was apparently stuck in a ravine.

Cheyenne Jackson, Cole’s sister contacted Texas Equusearch for help in finding her brother. She also contact SM, Missing & Exploited in hopes of putting the word and pictures out to as many people as possible.

(snipped)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 09:49:21 PM
Front page news in Holland

President Bush loves Chesseburger Pizzas  :twisted:

The presidential pizza exists from a basis of paste, cheese and tomato and beef, cheese, ketchup, gherkins, deeped-fry onion and bacon as toppings. If lunch gladly eats Bush cinnamon bread with peanut cheese and honey and thereby frites, media communicated Monday. cook chin Comerford emphasised that always with moderation with the president and each day does to fitness
 
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/67529301/Bush_loves_cheeseburgerpizza_s.html?p=10,1

How many hear like gherkins on there pizza?? :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 16, 2007, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'll change my avatar in a second so Klaas won't have a heart attack, but look how cute my hubby is.  :D

Don't blink or you'll miss it.  :lol:


Adorable! Lucky girl.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 09:51:10 PM
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 09:54:10 PM
{{deleting the personal photo, lol}}

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
Thanks Dana for yet another great show!
Hi Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Thanks Dana for yet another great show!
Hi Monkeys!


Howdy, Elaine.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:02:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://www.missingexploited.com/images/ColeJacksonP.jpg)

http://missingexploited.com/category/cole-jackson/

Thirty-three-year old Cole Jackson was last seen on July 13, about a quarter-mile from the church, when he came out of the backside of private pasture and rammed his truck through an elderly man’s fence. He stopped briefly to say he was sorry and would make good on the fence, but first he had to get away from the “bad people” chasing him.

The following day, his truck was found abandoned in a pasture about a mile down the road where the vehicle was apparently stuck in a ravine.

Cheyenne Jackson, Cole’s sister contacted Texas Equusearch for help in finding her brother. She also contact SM, Missing & Exploited in hopes of putting the word and pictures out to as many people as possible.

(snipped)


My heart just so goes out to Cheyenne ... she sounded so heart broken and I know other than Red, my brother is my favorite family member.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 16, 2007, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


Hunka hunka burnin love....
 :wink:


OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


and then the false hope from the leads... OMG... could you imagine? Notice there is no MSM coverage .... and it sounded like she had to pay them for the attention she could drum up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


I should guess so.... YOU ARE STILL Topless (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/Floatingsockmonkey.jpg) and now is a floatie  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 16, 2007, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.

personally I think they are using the good ole boy system on her... wasn't she dating an officer?  or that was her ex?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


Hunka hunka burnin love....
 :wink:


OS


 :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:06:57 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


I should guess so.... YOU ARE STILL Topless (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/Floatingsockmonkey.jpg) and now is a floatie  :shock:


OF! Quit staring at my chest!!!  :oops:  :oops:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


Hunka hunka burnin love....
 :wink:


OS
He is a handsome guy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 16, 2007, 10:09:46 PM
Easy

Would you please check and make sure one of Jossy's reporters has not hired JR??

Posted by Glenda:

Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:26 pm  


Quote:
Perhaps they take it seriously because I remember reading some tidbit here at RU that suggested Jossy made Julia an employment offer and she turned him down. Something like 'Jossy needs Julia' - shocking at the time.

M***R wrote:

I wonder where that fantasy story came from?? Julia and Jossy never in a million!

Glenda's response
[b]This article has nothing to do with Jossy! He didn't start this rumor, "Julia and Jossy" might have had different opinions in the past, but I doubt that still exists.   [/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:10:04 PM
Did y'all see that show on TV the other night about the woman who had to gather evidence herself to get her husband freed from prison? His DNA didn't match the DNA found at the crime scene, but no one in the police department in her town would follow up on it. As it turned out, her husband suspected a fellow prisoner who had been a neighbor at the time the crime was committed. He got a discarded cigarette from the man and sneaked it out to his wife. The wife had the DNA testing done on the cigarette, and it matched the crime scene. It wasn't until she had done the detective work herself that her husband was freed from prison. I can't remember which state this happened in, though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - it looks like everyone is stunned speechless.  :lol:


I should guess so.... YOU ARE STILL Topless (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/Floatingsockmonkey.jpg) and now is a floatie  :shock:


OF! Quit staring at my chest!!!  :oops:  :oops:  :lol:


I starte to answer this ... then figured (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ziplip.gif) was my only option...  Silence is Golden  at times   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 16, 2007, 10:13:30 PM
TY for the nice comments about hubby. (Not that I didn't pretty much demand them.  :lol: )

See you monkeys tomorrow. Sweet dreams everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:17:48 PM
LMAO! Greta just said that her show is now excepting video recordings from viewers asking questions, these to be played on air. Any one want to be on TV... :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 10:18:14 PM
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 16, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
TY for the nice comments about hubby. (Not that I didn't pretty much demand them.  :lol: )

See you monkeys tomorrow. Sweet dreams everyone.


Good night

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 16, 2007, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]



Couldn't get Winamp to boot. Did Spinato say anything fo interest about Pesquera and the Palm Beach job?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]



Couldn't get Winamp to boot. Did Spinato say anything fo interest about Pesquera and the Palm Beach job?

You know I got interrupted durring that part of the show but I didn't hear them even discuss the subject.  Maybe I missed that part?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 10:37:33 PM
Nice pics BT.Nice topless photos,now I know Lindsey is mad about.Isn't ever dutch on aruba related,first cousin or closer.Lets just boycott.the earthquakes are harmonic tremors,so lets get Natalee out,then......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 10:41:48 PM
Well,IIRC.Koen's father gave the answers for him.I found it strange,but not out line,for aruba,because I don't understand the system.It is 50 years younger than the US system.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 16, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]



Couldn't get Winamp to boot. Did Spinato say anything fo interest about Pesquera and the Palm Beach job?


That guy said couldn't Palm Beach find another canidate. He also said Beth should have came forward and said something to bring attention to it. He said this guy was in charge of the hotels and the hotels weren't too kind to the family and media.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]



Couldn't get Winamp to boot. Did Spinato say anything fo interest about Pesquera and the Palm Beach job?

You know I got interrupted durring that part of the show but I didn't hear them even discuss the subject.  Maybe I missed that part?
Yes, he did discuss that. Said that he couldn't understand why they'd want Pesquera. Said there are a lot of people here in the US. He also said he admires Beth Twitty and feels bad for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Dana

Great show...
I will check out the podcast.. since I missed most of Eric Spinato's segment  
Thank You[/b]



Couldn't get Winamp to boot. Did Spinato say anything fo interest about Pesquera and the Palm Beach job?


That guy said couldn't Palm Beach find another canidate. He also said Beth should have came forward and said something to bring attention to it. He said this guy was in charge of the hotels and the hotels weren't too kind to the family and media.
Yes, thanks San you said it better than I did,lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 16, 2007, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://www.missingexploited.com/images/ColeJacksonP.jpg)

http://missingexploited.com/category/cole-jackson/

Thirty-three-year old Cole Jackson was last seen on July 13, about a quarter-mile from the church, when he came out of the backside of private pasture and rammed his truck through an elderly man’s fence. He stopped briefly to say he was sorry and would make good on the fence, but first he had to get away from the “bad people” chasing him.

The following day, his truck was found abandoned in a pasture about a mile down the road where the vehicle was apparently stuck in a ravine.

Cheyenne Jackson, Cole’s sister contacted Texas Equusearch for help in finding her brother. She also contact SM, Missing & Exploited in hopes of putting the word and pictures out to as many people as possible.

(snipped)


I'll be happy to do what I can..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 16, 2007, 10:57:23 PM
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 10:58:34 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.
ROFLMAO! Tiger, you crack me up... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


Speaking of chigger bites.  About 5 years ago my younger stepson was graduating high school.  Long story made short, we waited too long to get to the stadium and there was no more parking.  We had to watch the graduation from a school field above the football field.  Anyway, I sat in the grass/dirt for an hour.  By the time I got home I started itching.  Within a week I had over 100 bites.  Went to the doctor, he didn't know what it was.  

Then, coincidentally, there was an article in the local paper about chiggers.  How they had recently been found in my area.  Not normally found in Southern California.  Well.....duh....that's what I had.  I've never had anything itch so bad in my life.  It took a couple months before they were completely gone.

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


Speaking of chigger bites.  About 5 years ago my younger stepson was graduating high school.  Long story made short, we waited too long to get to the stadium and there was no more parking.  We had to watch the graduation from a school field above the football field.  Anyway, I sat in the grass/dirt for an hour.  By the time I got home I started itching.  Within a week I had over 100 bites.  Went to the doctor, he didn't know what it was.  

Then, coincidentally, there was an article in the local paper about chiggers.  How they had recently been found in my area.  Not normally found in Southern California.  Well.....duh....that's what I had.  I've never had anything itch so bad in my life.  It took a couple months before they were completely gone.

 :lol:
I don't think I will ever sit in a grass field again! Although I am not sure if they are in my area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 11:09:51 PM
Elaine - I know I won't.  I cannot begin to describe how horrible it was.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


When I first read this, I was thinking...nah...not just red necks....then,  read Klassend's ordeal with the chiggers....now, I'm back to saying that we have chiggers, poison ivy/oak/sumac, fleas, ticks & mosquitos...or bless him 'skeeters'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


When I first read this, I was thinking...nah...not just red necks....then,  read Klassend's ordeal with the chiggers....now, I'm back to saying that we have chiggers, poison ivy/oak/sumac, fleas, ticks & mosquitos...or bless him 'skeeters'.
If you have them in New Jersey (chiggers) then I guess I have em here in Pa too. I googled and looked at pictures. They look like ticks in a way, but they are red and I think maybe smaller.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 11:16:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


Speaking of chigger bites.  About 5 years ago my younger stepson was graduating high school.  Long story made short, we waited too long to get to the stadium and there was no more parking.  We had to watch the graduation from a school field above the football field.  Anyway, I sat in the grass/dirt for an hour.  By the time I got home I started itching.  Within a week I had over 100 bites.  Went to the doctor, he didn't know what it was.  

Then, coincidentally, there was an article in the local paper about chiggers.  How they had recently been found in my area.  Not normally found in Southern California.  Well.....duh....that's what I had.  I've never had anything itch so bad in my life.  It took a couple months before they were completely gone.
 :lol:


Nasty little things...
When I was younger... they itched like the *((&  but were gone in a day or so..
Now each bite ends up the size of a dime... and is worse the *((&
I did find if you find repellent (yes after the fact) that has very high levels of DEET in it ... and use it on the bites... It kills the litte bast*&*^ within a day
 :shock:  I thought only us Red-Necks or Semi-RedNeck got chiggers   :shock:

Oh what we can learn on the internet  :lol:  :lol:

G'nite gang

Thanks for having me
SeeYaaByeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 16, 2007, 11:16:21 PM
I've has those chigger bites, not from going to the mailbox, but one of the lakes here had them. I read the warning sign to shower with hot water and soap right after exiting the water. Two days later. I had chiggers burrowed into my back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 16, 2007, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


Klaas-
who would be assuming this? Dr. Godwin has been all over this case and is convinced it's an abduction. He found a tooth under the bed overlooked by the police. And a damaged leg on the bed also missed by the police.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 16, 2007, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


When I first read this, I was thinking...nah...not just red necks....then,  read Klassend's ordeal with the chiggers....now, I'm back to saying that we have chiggers, poison ivy/oak/sumac, fleas, ticks & mosquitos...or bless him 'skeeters'.
If you have them in New Jersey (chiggers) then I guess I have em here in Pa too. I googled and looked at pictures. They look like ticks in a way, but they are red and I think maybe smaller.


Dad used to refer to them...chiggers...I never researched them, though...he was a golfer through the years...I think they are around...guess that's a study project for me in spare time.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
Take care OF!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


Klaas-
who would be assuming this? Dr. Godwin has been all over this case and is convinced it's an abduction. He found a tooth under the bed overlooked by the police. And a damaged leg on the bed also missed by the police.
OMG, they found one of Tara's teeth under her bed? I didn't hear that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2007, 11:32:25 PM
Klaas got bitten 100 times by the extremely rare chigger?? :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 11:34:44 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


Klaas-
who would be assuming this? Dr. Godwin has been all over this case and is convinced it's an abduction. He found a tooth under the bed overlooked by the police. And a damaged leg on the bed also missed by the police.


This was posted by Shellbell - I figured she hears what's going on:

Shellbell

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject:      

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There have not been any leads in this case. They are treating it as if she left on her own free will.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 16, 2007, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
this story is sad.... I can't imagine my brother disappearing and getting nowhere with help

I know.  It reminds me in a way of Tara G., they are assuming now she just doesn't want to be found.


Klaas-
who would be assuming this? Dr. Godwin has been all over this case and is convinced it's an abduction. He found a tooth under the bed overlooked by the police. And a damaged leg on the bed also missed by the police.
OMG, they found one of Tara's teeth under her bed? I didn't hear that one.


I don't know who's tooth is it. It has never been revealed Elaine. He also found a blood drop missed in her car port.

I do not believe the results of these tests are known to anyone ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 11:35:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Klaas got bitten 100 times by the extremely rare chigger?? :shock:  :shock:

I'm sure it was more than one chigger.  Probably more like an army of them  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 16, 2007, 11:37:26 PM
Oh OK Klaas.... I'm not at all convinced she did this herself. She would have had to take some extraordinary measures to make it look like an abduction and that doesn't seem to very normal ... but stranger things have happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2007, 11:37:58 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
You might be a red neck,if you get chigger bites,poison Ivy and fleas on the way to the mail box.


When I first read this, I was thinking...nah...not just red necks....then,  read Klassend's ordeal with the chiggers....now, I'm back to saying that we have chiggers, poison ivy/oak/sumac, fleas, ticks & mosquitos...or bless him 'skeeters'.
If you have them in New Jersey (chiggers) then I guess I have em here in Pa too. I googled and looked at pictures. They look like ticks in a way, but they are red and I think maybe smaller.


Elaine
You will never see or feel the Little somabitchs on you ...
Some people re-act to the bites  some do not...  something about what is in their saliva to break-down tissue (that they digest)

I have gotten them weeding my flowers in the durn yard which is not out in the woods :evil:

Seems like some where out here they were talked about before and all of the possible cures (nail polish, OTC meds, Coal - oil etc)

Oh ... and they seem to love the parts of your body that has tight/snug  fitting clothing (tops of socks,  ankle bones coverd by socks, waist bands, leg bands.. etc) and areas near them  :shock:

Kitchen is closed up ... most windows closed down... so I'm gone...

SYB  alll


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2007, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Oh OK Klaas.... I'm not at all convinced she did this herself. She would have had to take some extraordinary measures to make it look like an abduction and that doesn't seem to very normal ... but stranger things have happened.

Yeah, I don't think so either Rob and I'm sure Shellbell doesn't either.  I was just repeating what Shellbell was saying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 16, 2007, 11:42:34 PM
Chigger bites ~ victim needs to put nail polish on each bite ~ suffocates the little creep burrowing under the skin.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 16, 2007, 11:44:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Oh OK Klaas.... I'm not at all convinced she did this herself. She would have had to take some extraordinary measures to make it look like an abduction and that doesn't seem to very normal ... but stranger things have happened.

Yeah, I don't think so either Rob and I'm sure Shellbell doesn't either.  I was just repeating what Shellbell was saying.


I know, sorry if it came off that other way!! :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 11:44:39 PM
If ever any of you have wondered how Renfro really feels, well here it is in a nutshell.

Renfro isn't even human in my book anymore, she's sub-human and I hope she pays for these remarks.

As follows:

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm        

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....

Julia's response:

Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works. Wink Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.       The Good Witch



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1979


Edited to add:

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 16, 2007, 11:55:01 PM
One of the bigger fallacies of the NH case drama is the belief that Renfro has the best interests of Aruba in mind when she campaigns like this. It is obviously not so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 16, 2007, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
If ever any of you have wondered how Renfro really feels, well here it is in a nutshell.

Renfro isn't even human in my book anymore, she's sub-human and I hope she pays for these remarks.

As follows:

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm        

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....

Julia's response:

Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works. Wink Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.       The Good Witch



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1979
She is a cold hearted bitch! Julia, did you ever think that maybe you would "crack up" if one of your children disappeared? At least temporarily. I know I would! Of all the things in my life, that I hope and pray I never go through...losing a child is #1. Beth looking for attention? You must be kidding! You, Julia, are the one looking for freekin attention! Beth's child is gone and mssing lady, not yours. What is your excuse? You have been on TV, radio, and in all kinds of Media since this happened. Why? Media whore, not Beth....Julia!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 16, 2007, 11:59:48 PM
Julia this is from me to you babe.

Beth captured the spotlight in the media due to her perseverance and her truth about her daughter having been raped and murdered on an island that feels as you do, that she deserved it.

You will never hold a candle to Beth for quite a few reasons, since you can't understand those let me help you understand it.

1. She is articulate, you are not.
2. She has a mother's tender heart, you do not.
3. She still believes in justice, you have no respect for justice.
4. She speaks for many mothers whose children are tossed aside as so  
     much garbage as you have now tried to intimate Natalee was.
5. She is brighter than you.
6. She is honorable, you have no concept of honor.

Your jealousy is so rampant you would destroy the mother of a murdered child? There are not words to encompass how very black your heart is, worse that you blame Natalee for allowing herself to be drugged by the loverboys you champion??????

Here's a message for you, you can't defeat Beth, you can't destroy Beth no matter what you try. She wins in the eyes of her family who love her and the media that understands her and her quest.

God help your children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
One of the bigger fallacies of the NH case drama is the belief that Renfro has the best interests of Aruba in mind when she campaigns like this. It is obviously not so.


tabloid journalism is too good for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 12:09:48 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "igsigs"
One of the bigger fallacies of the NH case drama is the belief that Renfro has the best interests of Aruba in mind when she campaigns like this. It is obviously not so.


tabloid journalism is too good for her.


Renfro alone is a good reason to Boycott Aruba


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 17, 2007, 12:14:01 AM
"Divide and CONCUR"? Is that a play on words or
a mistake by the wannabe journalist?

The "J" in Julia stands for Jealous.
She is jealous of Beth because she
definitely could never hold a candle to her.

Beth:
intelligent
pretty
classy

Julia:
none of the above


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "igsigs"
One of the bigger fallacies of the NH case drama is the belief that Renfro has the best interests of Aruba in mind when she campaigns like this. It is obviously not so.


tabloid journalism is too good for her.


Renfro alone is a good reason to Boycott Aruba
Yes she is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 12:15:18 AM
Have you guys seen this story before?? I havent been able to get this story out of my head..I think the boyfriend killed her and he is pretending to be dead. His Dad is a prominent attorney in Michigan and I got the chills when they went to court to declare him legally dead and said they hadnt spoken to him and he is missing.

Before she left on the boating trip She was fearful of her safety from Chuck.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756009/from/RL.4/
http://www.stempienrutherford.com/default.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 12:24:53 AM
I have seen this story twice on NBC and If you ever see it watch the guys parents in the courtroom..All my intuition told me they were lying there a$$es off and this guy got away with murder. I felt soo bad for her family as it seemed everyone thought they were lying.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10807318/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 12:31:51 AM
*******-

Yes I did see that report and it's mind-boggling how parents are so willing to cover up a crime. I hope they all are caught, every single sorry parent who would allow their monster child to take the life of another.

Isn't it appropo to hear that phrase there but for the grace of God goes I? I grew up hearing my parents say that, instead of gossiping and wishing harm or hard times or tragedy on others, or flippantly saying I told you so or they deserved it.

My mood suffers tonight, I still cannot believe the events of tonight, my brain can't even wrap around the evil of it all.

Night All !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 17, 2007, 12:33:22 AM
*******, I saw that one also. His family has enough money , etc to support this guy who is probably on the run somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 12:39:04 AM
Klaas! :batman:

> *AnotherMonkey*...in the archives. Were you saying that it was who i think you were saying?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 12:40:48 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas! :batman:

> *AnotherMonkey*...in the archives. Were you saying that it was who i think you were saying?

I'm saying that Another Monkey is posting still, just not at SM.  Another Monkey's new nickname starts with an "S".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 12:43:19 AM
Igsigs - email me if you want clarification  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas! :batman:

> *AnotherMonkey*...in the archives. Were you saying that it was who i think you were saying?

I'm saying that Another Monkey is posting still, just not at SM.  Another Monkey's new nickname starts with an "S".

Right.

I saw her defending the Joran *aced* his exams report...and thought...oh yeah. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 12:45:36 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
*******, I saw that one also. His family has enough money , etc to support this guy who is probably on the run somewhere.


I definetly think so!!Those were two cold calculating parents who i swear were hiding something. I have never seen anything like that atmosphere in the court and I will never forget it. Alot of speculation and no hard evidence but everything about this case makes my hair stand up. He was declared legally dead after 10 months and hasnt been seen since. This was no accident.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 12:52:34 AM
I don't know if Joran was actually at school on the 30th but I think if there ever was a day he took the bus by Lorenzo's house it was that day. If there was a phone call to the VDS house at 6:30AM it wouldnt surprise me that it was Joran calling home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 12:57:36 AM
RENFRO SUCKS

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 17, 2007, 12:58:04 AM
Hi Monkeys....was just reading through the last couple of pages and felt compelled to say/post this:

HE(Your supreme deity..up to your personal beliefs) knows all, sees all and uses everything in His time for His reason for the blessing of all.

This I believe is so relevant in so many ways in that He has joined us all together for Natalee's cause and in this way has joined us together as friends and confidants for a noble cause.

When I reflect upon our world today about "ME"... it's all about "ME" and what "I" want, it strikes me that our society and mankind has somewhat lost their way about what is right and honorable about how we should treat each other (not meaning anybody here) with dignity, respect and genuine care about our fellow human being and their plight in life.

We should all walk many miles in each other shoes to understand the burden that we each carry. I don't say this in terms of Julia Renfro's "walk" but more in the context of being more kind and caring to all human beings in their walk through life.

It was just on my heart and I wanted to share what I felt.

Regards....the kinder/gentler metro....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 12:58:20 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
*******, I saw that one also. His family has enough money , etc to support this guy who is probably on the run somewhere.


I definetly think so!!Those were two cold calculating parents who i swear were hiding something. I have never seen anything like that atmosphere in the court and I will never forget it. Alot of speculation and no hard evidence but everything about this case makes my hair stand up. He was declared legally dead after 10 months and hasnt been seen since. This was no accident.
I just got finished watching the video and reading 5 long pages of the story. Very suspicious.
And with that I am off to bed monkeys! Goodnight to all.


Title: Re: Sainty saved here !!
Post by: IBE on July 17, 2007, 01:00:12 AM
Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
 Lady  since I have been here at Sm's I have seen the Monkeys save a lot more then a few of our members as well as guests from losing their sanity or perspective  if you wish to call it that .
 We are and continue to be there for folks in time of trouble or confusion if you do not know where to turn this group is one of the best in my opinion , many smart talented folks have been called for many different reasons I am convinced that (and No offense to RED )  that a higher power is useing Scared Monkeys to help others ,
I  will not even try to name them all for fear of leaving someones  name  out
  But I cannot  go without mentioning Klaussend  she has truly been a Godsend for this group in helping make this form of communication possible,   KUDOS  Klauss "your one in a million" .



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Just got off the phone to Verizon....I was told that they cannot give any info about calls placed or accepted until the end of the billing cycle (that info is not accessible by them)which will be July 24. I told them they need to move into the 21st Century. My provider is T-Mobile and I get regular updates on their website. They said the only info accessible was the last time the phone was used which was 7:15 this morning
(when I called her number just to let that guy know I was still around!)

Her father says that she allowed this to happen...that no one would ever try to take anything from him...go figure! As I said before, he has not seen the side of society that I have...yes, it can happen to him...it just hasn't yet. No one is 100% safe these days.

None that is a great idea about calling someone when you have to stop when traveling. I travel a lot for cat shows (always alone) and never thought to do this. I will from now on. Thanks again you guys...sorry I had to take the thread off topic but you all saved my sanity.


Jerry so well said... you can feel it in so many subtle ways here: ie: Higher Spirit


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 01:04:45 AM
Quote from: Elaine
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
*******, I saw that one also. His family has enough money , etc to support this guy who is probably on the run somewhere.


And with that I am off to bed monkeys! Goodnight to all.


The evidence is suspicious but it was the parents in the courtroom that stood out for me. Some people can never be good actors and others just keep there head down and sweat it out..

Night


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IBE on July 17, 2007, 02:43:20 AM
Atlmetroguy just got caught up in reading....

Very nice post.

Monkeys, keep up the Good Works!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 17, 2007, 06:24:35 AM
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Translator:
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 17, 2007, 08:06:44 AM
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Mere on July 17, 2007, 08:09:44 AM
Good morning monkeys.... :D

Peaches....I expect that miracle for you also....thinking good thoughts....
and sending prayers.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 08:12:59 AM
Ah Peaches.... I'm sorry to read that news this morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 17, 2007, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Oh Peaches,  I am sorry to hear this for you.  I admire your  determination and feistyness.  I had a total hysterectomy w/bilateral oopherectomty at the age of 25.  I was fortunate to get rid of the bad cells 15 years ago, and never looked back,  I just stayed focused on the fact that I was able to have one child before it all started.   We both seemed to be lucky in a way,  we have very loving/supportive hubbies!
I also agree,  its better than a dirt nap :wink:
Love ya!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 17, 2007, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Prayers never stopped for you Peaches.  You really are my hero.  With that attitude you can beat all.  Hugs your way - Beans


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:17:50 AM
Peaches

So sorry to hear this.
You've been through so much.
BUT you do have a tremendous spirit and I admire your spunk.

I'll be keeping you in my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 17, 2007, 08:20:35 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

Peaches..hang in there. With God, Monkey Prayers & great doctors all things are possible. Know you are in my prayers & You will get this conquered.

I have one thing to say about Renfro & her attitude towards Beth:

Giving birth DOES NOT a TRUE Mother make!!!! It takes dedication, love & honesty (to name a few things) & IMO these are things Renfro is severely lacking in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2007, 08:24:27 AM
Good morning monkeys.  Thinking of Peaches "I expect a miracle".  I'm sorry you are going to have to endure more rounds of chemo.   Please know we are pulling for you, as we always have.  And always will.  You are an awesome lady Peaches and we love you!  {{{{hugs}}}}.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 17, 2007, 08:25:20 AM
Quote from: Peaches
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.[/[/b]quote]

May your miracle be around the bend, Peaches.  In fact, I stole your quote for my sig line...we all share your expectation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 08:25:54 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Well Shoot.  I am sorry to hear this news Peaches.  You remain in my prayers every day.  (((Hugs)))

You will get your miracle!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 08:26:15 AM
Peaches

I'm so sorry you have to go through chemo again, but I know you're gonna do great.

Attitude can be a big part of healing, and you're attitude is the best there is!

We all wub you lots and are sending prayers for you every single day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 08:27:51 AM
While we're on the subject of chemo, please continue to keep TerryD in your thoughts.

He has an appointment at 9:15 this morning (Eastern time) to find out if the newest tumor that was removed is cancer or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ah Peaches.... I'm sorry to read that news this morning.


Me TOO Peaches. But you're a winner and will be fine... I'm sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2007, 08:40:32 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
While we're on the subject of chemo, please continue to keep TerryD in your thoughts.

He has an appointment at 9:15 this morning (Eastern time) to find out if the newest tumor that was removed is cancer or not.


Will do BT.  Would you mind giving my email addy to Terry?  Not sure he would even remember who I am, but I surely do and will think of our Peeping Squirrel.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 17, 2007, 08:41:47 AM
I'm so sorry to hear the latest news, Peaches. I think Jerry from Ohio is spot on when talking about a "Higher Power" bringing us together at SM. There are just so many among us ( a relatively small group) who need (and receive) our prayers!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 08:43:03 AM
Peaches-

I am so sorry you have to endure more of this chemo but we need you here with us, very very much. Yes, expect a miracle and I'll be praying for your miracle. Always.

BT-

Yes we do need to pray for Terry today and everyday. God bless him please.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:48:53 AM
I feel bad for Terry. He, too, has been through so much.
I miss him!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Chigger bites ~ victim needs to put nail polish on each bite ~ suffocates the little creep burrowing under the skin.  :twisted:


Chiggers don't burrow under the skin


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 09:02:20 AM
From Wikipedia:

Contrary to popular belief, the larvae do not burrow deep into the skin and live there. Rather, the larvae pierce the skin and inject powerful enzymes that digest cellular contents, which become liquified and are consumed by the larvae.[1]

Another myth is that application of rubbing alcohol kills the chiggers or helps with symptoms. This method serves only to cause great burning pain and discomfort to the victim


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Aw, Peaches, I am so sorry to hear this.  You've come so far.  You'll do just fine.  I'm amazed at the courage you have and my prayers go out to you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 17, 2007, 09:31:32 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/17/

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Pickup confisca como e arma usa….
MUHER DETENI DEN CASO SERIO DI MALTRATO DIADOMINGO MARDUGA

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Relaciona cu e caso cu ya caba DIARIO a trece den su edicion di dialuna encuanto un victima cu a ser gedal pa un auto, polis a detene dialuna merdia e supuesto muher chofer cu a comete e acto aki.

Samira Guedez ta benta tras di trali despues cu el a entrega su mes na warda di polis y recherché a considera e caso aki uno hopi serio. E pickup cu ta pertenece na un tal T a keda confisca tambe cu e arma usa den e caso unda un victima a keda malamente herida.

Polis parce cu ainda no por kere e storia di e muher cu a entrega su mes y lo bay papia cu dos otro muher di fam T y L cu tabata den e pickup pa saca afor si realmente Samira Guedez tabata na stuur of e ta tapa pa cualkier otro cu tabata den auto.

Segun Samira Guedez e homber kende tabata para cu su guitara canto di caminda den Wilhelminastraat a toca un cancion pa nan locual el a haci tambe. Segun e muher deteni ta sigui splica cu nan a pidie fia nan su guitara locual el a haci tambe.

Na momento cu nan tabata toca cu e guitara e homber lo a haci cos di fresco cu un di nan. Na momento cu esey a pasa nan lo a sali bay cu e pickup full speed mientras cu e homber tabata tene na e auto.

Nan a pasa dilanti di warda di polis bay abao cu e homber ta lastra si cu a para pa pidi yudanza. Banda di Royal Plaza nan a nota cu e homber no tey mas A resulta cu el a cay y keda mal herida benta atras.

Ora cu e noticia a sali den DIARIO Samira Guedez a presenta na DIARIO unda el a bin acompaña pa e guitara tambe di e victima splicando polis su storia. E victima mester a wordo opera y tin basta sla na su curpa. Un caso cu lo sigui ser investiga pasobra polis ainda no por caba di compronde dikon e tres muhernan aki no a para dilanti di warda di polis ora cu nan a pasa eydilanti.

Kizas Samira Gudez ta tumando e culpa pa otronan cu lo tabata den auto ? Esaki tambe recherché lo saca afor a base di e investigacion cu ta sigui durante e dia di awe y ora cu TOD caba di haci nan investigacion riba e pickup cu a ser haya scondi na un cas na Tamarijn.


Online Pap translation:
pickup confisca because; the arm usa….
muher deteni in caso earnest of maltrato diadomingo marduga


oranjestad(aan):relaciona cu the caso cu already end daily paper owing to trece in his edicion of monday encuanto one victima cu owing to being gedal for one car, police owing to detene monday afternoon the supuesto muher chofer cu owing to comete the acto here.

samira guedez is throw behind trali after cu past owing to entrega his self at keep of police y recherché owing to considera the caso here uno much earnest. the pickup cu is pertenece at one such t owing to stay confisca also cu the arm using in the caso where one victima owing to stay malamente injury.

police seems cu still not can believe the storia of the muher cu owing to entrega his self y will bay talk cu two another muher of surname T y L cu was in the pickup for saca afor if genuinely samira guedez was at stuur or the is tapa for cualkier another cu was in car.

according samira guedez he that was stop cu his guitar canto of caminda in wilhelminastraat owing to toca one cancion for they locual past owing to haci also. according the muher deteni is follow splica cu they owing to pidie lend they his guitar locual past owing to haci also.

at instant cu they was toca cu the guitar he will owing to haci cos of fresco cu one of they. at instant cu esey owing to happen they will owing to leave bay cu the pickup full speed while cu he was as at the car. they owing to happen fast of keep of police bay abao cu he is lastra if cu owing to stop for ask yudanza. near of royal plaza they owing to notice cu he not tey more owing to resulta cu past owing to cay y stay bad injury throw behind.

hour cu the news owing to leave in daily paper samira guedez owing to present at daily paper where past owing to come acompaña for her guitar also of the victima splicando police his storia. the victima have to owing to wordo opera y have enough sla at his curpa. one caso cu will follow being investiga because police still not can end of compronde dikon the three muhernan here not owing to stop fast of keep of police hour cu they owing to happen eydilanti.

kizas samira gudez is tumando the culpa for others cu will was in car come across? this also recherché will saca afor owing to base of the investigacion cu is follow during the day of today y hour cu tod end of haci they investigacion on the pickup cu owing to being achieve scondi at one cas at tamarijn.

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MILITAR DI SAVANETA KAMP A HERIDA PERSONA DEN
CARLOS ‘N CHARLIE’S
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Informacion cu DIARIO ta dispone di dje ta indica cu un hoben militar den servicio di Savaneta Kamp lo tin cu bay responde pa su actonan dilanti Corte Militar pa su actonan. Tabata Diasabra marduga a drenta informe cu na Carlos ‘n Charlie’s a tuma lugar un caso di maltrato serio cu un boter. Den DIARIO di Dialuna mes a publica fotonan y pa awe, via di vocero policial ta publica e rapport oficial di Polis di e caso.

Tur cos a cuminza ora cu un unidad di Polis, tirando un bista den Weststraat a worde acerca pa un guardia den servicio di e club nocturno menciona. E guardia a pidi polis pa nan por yama solicita pa un ambulans, pasobra durante di un pelea den establecimento un homber a worde gedal pa un boter den cabez cu consecuencia e victima a ricibi un cap.

Polis mesora a reacciona riba e peticion y alaves a bay na e club pa atende e caso. E victima a resulta di ta di inicial K., y durante cu polis ta atende net tabata pasando e sospechoso cu a comete e maltrato.

El a mustra dede den su direccion, y Polis a detene mesora. Ta trata aki di e homber di inicialnan E D M..di 21 aña y ta naci na Republica Dominicano. E ta worde sospecha di a maltrata e victima cu boter.

E sospechoso a declara di a bringa cu un tal K. Mientras ambulans a percura pa transporta e victima pa direccion Hospital.

Pa loke ta e sospechoso E.D.M., a resulta cu e ta un militar pa cual Polis a yama funcionario di Marechaussee pa sigui atende e caso.


Online Pap translation:

militar of savaneta kamp owing to injury person in
carlos ‘n charlie’s


oranjestad (aan): informacion cu daily paper is dispone of dje is indica cu one young militar in servicio of savaneta kamp will have cu bay responde for his actonan fast corte militar for his actonan. was saturday marduga owing to enter informe cu at carlos ‘n charlie’s did take lugar one caso of maltrato earnest cu one boter. in daily paper of monday self owing to publica fotonan y for today, via of vocero policial is publica the rapport oficial of police of the caso.

all cos owing to cuminza hour cu one unidad of police, tirando one view in weststraat owing to worde acerca for one guardia in servicio of the club nocturno menciona. the guardia owing to ask police for they can calling solicita for one ambulance, because during of one action in establecimento one man owing to worde gedal for one boter in cabez cu consecuencia the victima owing to ricibi one cap.

police at once owing to reacciona on the peticion y alaves owing to bay at the club for atende the caso. the victima owing to resulta of is of inicial k., y during cu police is atende just was pasando the sospechoso cu owing to comete the maltrato.

past owing to show finger in his direccion, y police owing to detene at once. is deal here of he of inicialnan the d m..di 21 year y is naci at republica dominicano.

the is worde sospecha of owing to maltrata the victima cu boter. the sospechoso owing to declara of owing to fight cu one such k. while ambulance owing to percura for transporta the victima for direccion hospital.

for thing is the sospechoso e.d.m., owing to resulta cu the is one militar for cual police owing to calling funcionario of marechaussee for follow atende the caso.

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Ya no ta solamente “sugar dad, sugar mom”
E GUY DI BO YIU MUHER POR TA UN “CHULO” CU TA EXPLOTE!
 
Mayornan, alerta!

ORANJESTAD (AAN) -- Ora materialismo ta hunga un rol primordial cerca hende, nan no ta midi kico nan ta haci pa haya placa facil, y esey ta e caso di cierto hendenan homber cu den mayoria di pais ta conoci como “chulo”. Na Aruba e palabra tin mesun nificacion cu na otro camindanan.

E practica aki realmente ta conoci na henter mundo. E ta un negoshi den cual e producto pa bende ta nada otro cu e curpa di hende muher pa medio di prostitucion. Di locual e hendenan muher ta gana pa dia, e “chulo” ta haya como 80% y e otro 20% nan ta lague pa gastonan di nan “sirbido” cu por ta incluso nan propio casa, chick, amiga, etc. E por ta algo cu ta sosode riba caya, of den un establecimento organiza, pero e ta un tipo di explotacion di e ser humano cu ta penaliza pa ley, ora e ta worde comproba.

Un informante di DIARIO, tin un sospecha grandi cu na Aruba un sorto di desaroyo asina ta tumando lugar, pero no den e mundo formal di prostitucion, manera ta sosode pafo di nos frontera, manera nos a expone den nos introduccion, sino hopi disimula y no diariamente, sino particularmente den fin di siman y bao di hobennan.

Pesey, lo ta bon pa mayornan cu lesa e articulo aki keda alerta ya cu tin cierto señalnan cu por sirbi pa bati alarma. Y esaki ta parce un fenomeno adicional na locual ya den nos comunidad ta conoci como “sugar dad, sugar mom”.

Nos fuente di informacion no por a bisa nos si ta hopi casi tin of ta un ke otro, pero e hecho ta cu e por a constata cierto actitudnan straño, como trahador di hotel cu ta observa y vigila cierto movecionnan di parehanan local hoben, cu ta bishita e hotel. E pareha hoben ta drenta comosifuera cu nan ta “keiro” inocentemente, ta dal un cana den casino sali bay sinta den lobby, ta move bay bebe un refresco y scucha musica, y na dado momento e mucha homber ta entabla conversacion cu un turista sinta su so.

E prototipo di e turista ta: Mericano, di edad madura, y cu aparentemente ta so. E fuente di informacion a haya sa cu ta trata di parehanan di guy y chick. E mucha homber cu ta bishita e mucha muher na cas formalmente, cu ta cana bon bisti, cu ta yega den auto sea propio of di su mayornan, pero cu na prome instancia e ta mustra un cabayero.

Nan, aparentemente, ta bishita e hotel pa djis pasa un rato diferente y nan ta busca conversacion cu e tipo di turistanan describi caba, y despues di un ora mas of menos, e guy cu e hobencita ta cana hunto cu e turista.

Pero locual a lanta e curiosidad di nos fuente di informacion, y cu a pone haya malicia y cay na cuenta cu algo straño por ta pasando, ta cu na dado momento, e mucha homber su so ta keda cana den e hardin di hotel, rond di e pool, despues ta bin sinta un rato den lobby, lanta bay cana atrobe den e hardin, tira un bista riba su holoshi, te cu el a bolbe topa cu e mucha muher cu no ta mustra contento.

E ora ey nan tene man di otro y sali for di e lugar. Y no ta un ni dos biaha, pero den diferente ocasion e persona concerni a mira desaroyonan asina, cu ta pone pensa cu e guy ey ta un “chulo” cu ta saca probecho di un mucha muher cu ta enamora di dje y ta haci kico e ta mande haci contal di no perde.

E fuente di informacion a menciona cu el a yega di papia cu su hefe tocante e situacion aki, y nan ta keda vigila, y den dos caso nan a logra di haya sa e nomber di un mucha muher y hasta, pone e respectivo mayornan na haltura.

Pero e no ta algo cu sosode tur ora. Di otro banda, personal di un hotel nan no mag invadi e privacidad di e turistanan, pues nan no por wak kico por ta tumando lugar den nan camber. E turista tanten e tin e yabi di porta den su man, e sa ken e ta invita of laga pasa.

Locual si e fuente di informacion a pidi nos ta, pa DIARIO ta un portavoz pa alerta mayornan. Esnan cu tin yiu homber cu no ta trahando of cu tin un trabao unda e no ta gana suficiente pa duna su mes cierto luhonan, of cumpra cosnan pa cas cu e famia no por yega na dje cu nan entrada, pa investiga, pa saca afo for di unda e placa ta sali.

Muy posiblemente e mucha hombernan aki no tin problema cu husticia; posiblemente e y mescos e mucha muher ta bayendo algun school. Pero e hecho cu e por ta bibando facil a custia di su mucha muher, pues cu e ta haci trabao di “chulo” y ta prostitui su pareha podise ta castigable na Aruba tambe, si esaki por worde constata pa autoridad.

Y logicamente, e mayornan cu ta nota un comportacion straño den nan yiu muher, si despues cu e ta sali cu su guy e ta bin cas manera cansa, cu mesora cu e yega cas ta core bay baña, kizas e ta mustra malestar y ta saca comosifuera el a come algo cu a bay malo cu su stoma; si e ta dispidi di su guy cu cara rabia pero despues e ta core yame y si nan ta sinti cu nan yiu muher tin dependencia di e mucha homber: paga tino! E mucha muher aki por ta eherciendo prostitucion di e forma aki, pa complace su partner, mientras e mayornan ta completamente confia cu e hoben ta un guy!

No solamente na San Nicolas y door di hendenan muher di afo e ofishi di prostitucion por tuma lugar. Tin formanan fini tambe, y tristo ta cu algun di nos mesun muchanan local por ta envolvi pa e simple hecho cu tin muchanan homber cu kier haya luho di e manera facil, y nan ta capaz hasta di uza nan mes chick contal di logra esaki.

E fenomeno aki ta un adicional na e asina yama “sugar dad, sugar mom” cu tambe tin instancianan na Aruba cu a yega di comproba cu ta existi. Esaki ta e adultonan cu ta busca hobennan pa tin relacion sexual a cambio di cosnan material cu nan ta duna nan. Mayornan, un bez mas habri wowo y proteha boso yiunan di tur e peligronan universal aki, di cual ni nos isla chikito ta scapa mas!


Online Pap translation below.
(not “prettied up” … This is warning parents about their children being prostituted, I *think* ... seems to describe a certain MO. Hope we can get a better translation - just the gist of it)

already do not only “sugar dad, sugar mom”
the guy of you child muher can is one “chulo” cu is explote!
parents, alerta!


oranjestad (aan) -- hour materialismo is play one rol primordial close person, they do not measure kico they're haci for achieve coin facil, y esey is the caso of cierto hendenan man cu in majority of country is conoci because; “chulo”. at aruba the word have same nificacion cu at another camindanan. the practica here genuinely is conoci at all world. the is one business in cual the producto for sell is nothing another cu the curpa of person muher by prostitucion. of locual the hendenan muher is earn for day, the “chulo” is achieve because; 80% y the another 20% they're lague for gastonan of they “sirbido” cu can is incluso they own casa, chick, girlfriend, etc. the can is algo cu is sosode on caya, or in one establecimento organiza, but the is one type of explotacion of the being human cu is penaliza for ley, hour the is worde comproba. one informante of daily paper, have one sospecha big cu at aruba one sort of desaroyo so is tumando lugar, but not in the world serious of prostitucion, as is sosode pafo of we boundary, as we owing to expone in we introduccion, but much disimula y not daily, but particularmente in end of week y bao of hobennan. pesey, will is good for parents cu read the articulo here stay alerta already cu have cierto señalnan cu can serve for beat alarma. y this is seems one fenomeno adicional at locual already in we comunidad is conoci because; “sugar dad, sugar mom”. we fountain of informacion {:love that - "fountain of information"!} not can owing to tell we if is much casi have or is one want another, but the mature is cu the can owing to constata cierto actitudnan odd, because; trahador of hotel cu is observa y vigila cierto movecionnan of parehanan local young, cu is visit the hotel. the pareha young is enter comosifuera cu they're “keiro” inocentemente, is strike one march in casino leave bay sit in lobby, is actuate bay drink one refresco y listen musica, y at dado instant the boy is entabla conversacion cu one tourist sit his only. the prototipo of the tourist ta: mericano, of edad madura, y cu apparently is only. the fountain of informacion owing to achieve know cu is deal of parehanan of guy y chick. the boy cu is visit the child muher at home formalmente, cu is march good dress, cu is arrive in car as own or of his parents, but cu at first instancia the is show one cabayero. they, apparently, is visit the hotel for immidiately happen one rato various y they're busca conversacion cu the type of turistanan describi end, y after of one hour more or less, the guy cu the hobencita is march together cu the tourist. but locual owing to arise the curiosidad of we fountain of informacion, y cu owing to place achieve malicia y cay at cuenta cu algo odd can is pasando, is cu at dado instant, the boy his only is stay march in the garden of hotel, rond of the pool, after is come sit one rato in lobby, arise bay march again in the garden, throw one view on his holoshi, till cu past owing to go back come across cu the child muher cu do not show contento. the hour ey they as hand of another y leave for of the lugar. y do not one neither two trip, but in various ocasion the person concerni owing to see desaroyonan so, cu is place think cu the guy ey is one “chulo” cu is saca probecho of one child muher cu is enamora of dje y is haci kico the is mande haci contal of not lose. the fountain of informacion owing to menciona cu past owing to arrive of talk cu his boss tocante the situation here, y they're stay vigila, y in two caso they owing to succeed of achieve know the name of one child muher y even, place the respectivo parents at height. but the do not algo cu sosode all hour. of another near, personal of one hotel they not mag invadi the privacidad of the turistanan, then they not can look at kico can is tumando lugar in they camber. the tourist adieu the have the key of door in his hand, the know that the is invita or let happen. locual if the fountain of informacion owing to ask we is, for daily paper is one portavoz for alerta parents. esnan cu have son cu do not trahando or cu have one trabao where the do not earn sufficient for give his self cierto luhonan, or cumpra cosnan for cas cu the family not can arrive at dje cu they entrance, for investiga, for saca afo for of where the coin is leave. muy posiblemente the child hombernan here not have problem cu husticia; posiblemente the y same the child muher is bayendo some school. but the mature cu the can is bibando facil owing to custia of his child muher, then cu the is haci trabao of “chulo” y is prostitui his pareha podise is castigable at aruba also, if this can worde constata for autoridad. y logicamente, the parents cu is notice one comportacion odd in they child muher, if after cu the is leave cu his guy the is come cas as cansa, cu at once cu the arrive cas is core bay bath, kizas the is show malestar y is saca comosifuera past owing to come algo cu owing to bay bad cu his stoma; if the is dispidi of his guy cu cara angry but after the is core yame y if they're feel cu they child muher have dependencia of the child homber: pay tino! the child muher here can is eherciendo prostitucion of the form here, for complace his partner, while the parents is completamente confia cu the young is one guy! not only at san nicolas y door of hendenan muher of afo the handicraft of prostitucion can take lugar. have formanan fine also, y tristo is cu some of we same children local can is envolvi for her simple mature cu have children man cu wanted achieve luho of the as facil, y they're capaz even of employ they self chick contal of succeed this. the fenomeno here is one adicional at the so calling “sugar dad, sugar mom” cu also have instancianan at aruba cu owing to arrive of comproba cu is existi. this is the adultonan cu is busca hobennan for have relacion sexual owing to cambio of cosnan material cu they're give they. parents, one bez more open eye y proteha you yiunan of all the peligronan universal here, of cual neither we island diminutive is scapa more!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.

Peaches, sorry to hear your news.  You are always in my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2007, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
If ever any of you have wondered how Renfro really feels, well here it is in a nutshell.

Renfro isn't even human in my book anymore, she's sub-human and I hope she pays for these remarks.

As follows:

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm        

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....

Julia's response:

Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works. Wink Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.       The Good Witch



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Posts: 1979




none ... whAT forum did this dialogue take place.

Julia Renfro has sunk to a new low.  Hate consumes this woman in regards to Beth Twitty while Joran van der Sloot is given a free.  I wonder what her words will be when another "Natalee Holloway"  goes missing ... another"Natalee Holloway" who was last seen with this psychopath.

Janet


LA TIMES

In Holloway case, Aruba also suffers
By Carol J. Williams, Times Staff Writer
June 4, 2007

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if Holloway died on the island. She — and many Arubans — doubts the three suspects, who were all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, leaving no forensic evidence behind and never caving in to the intense pressure of interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 09:45:53 AM
Well nail polish works,I use clear nail polish. Peaches,My prayers are with you,and you have a miracle coming.Renfro,may you become chigger food.I think IIRC,that was after Beth knew NAH was dead.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 09:53:18 AM
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."



BULL CRAP  

RENHOG ?

how about this ??


"how is the girl doing ?"

"she fell and hit her head"




sure, no no no.. they didnt do anything  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2007, 09:58:26 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Peaches ... this is not good news.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family as you continue your battle against this despicable disease.  I pray that you and yours will realize God's Absolute love ... a love that will afford both comfort and strength in all situations.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:03:01 AM
Peaches, I have you in my prayers.. keep up that amazing attitude,that alone is more than half the battle!

Same with Terry!

I won't dignify Julia with any response.

Just catching up...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:11:45 AM
If anyone knows this story about the rape trial where the word rape wasn't allowed to be used, would you please post about it?  I would like to know more about the details.  Gotta run out now, but I will be in later...

TIA!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 10:18:59 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
If anyone knows this story about the rape trial where the word rape wasn't allowed to be used, would you please post about it?  I would like to know more about the details.  Gotta run out now, but I will be in later...

TIA!!


I know Wendy Murphy is her lawyer and she has always been a good guest on Dana's show.  I would like to hear her talk more about this one.  It's incredible!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
If anyone knows this story about the rape trial where the word rape wasn't allowed to be used, would you please post about it?  I would like to know more about the details.  Gotta run out now, but I will be in later...

TIA!!


http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=3367052

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22067459-38198,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 10:22:15 AM
:cry: I need help too please...looking for still shot photos of the most recent search at Sloot property...there is a person I saw in a photo who I think may look like someone who was at the painted rocks vids. Where can I find those photos of Sloot search by Dutch?? I have looked all over this site and I know they have to be here somewhere  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:27:17 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:cry: I need help too please...looking for still shot photos of the most recent search at Sloot property...there is a person I saw in a photo who I think may look like someone who was at the painted rocks vids. Where can I find those photos of Sloot search by Dutch?? I have looked all over this site and I know they have to be here somewhere  :cry:


Here is part 1 - then you can vew part 2 and 3

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/van-der-sloot-residence-search-in-pictures-part-1/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 10:33:29 AM
BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life.

LET'S PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS - ON JORAN, PAULUS, DEEPAK, AND SATISH. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE! THESE PEOPLE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE - BECAUSE THEY KILLED HER!

ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT!

JULIA YOU FOOL NO ONE - YOU FOOL!

MAYBE THIS WORKS ON THE DRUNKS, CRACKHEADS AND METH MANUFACTURERS OVER AT YOUR SITE, BUT IT AIN'T WORKING ANYWHERE ELSE.

JULIA- Your life mission to destroy Beth and Natalee will never succeed. You just destroy YOURSELF! Which we are all happy to watch the self-immolation!

I know it's a tuff choice for you - DRINK the GRAIN or use it as FUEL!

Whatta SAD SACK-O-SHIT YOU TRULY ARE.

Most people (and I use that term loosely) aspire to actually be something in life... not you!

YOU SEEM TO THINK IT'S YOUR JOB TO DEFEND ALL THINGS SLOOT!

WHERE IS YOUR DUTCH LAW DEGREE? YOU SHOULD HAVE IT BY NOW!

WHAT IS IT A TWO WEEK COURSE? IF A DOPE LIKE SMIT CAN PASS IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE AFTER ONE OF YOUR PATENTED ALL WEEK BENDERS.

ONLY A CHUCKLEHEAD LIKE PAULUS CAN'T PASS THAT THING.

This case fools no one but YOU and your meathead operator Angela!

WITHOUT THE PULL AND ASS KISSING THIS CASE WOULD BE OVER.

JULIA/GLENDA/BONDIA/WRETCHED WITCH - THIS IS NOT OVER AND WON'T BE UNTIL NATALEE GETS HER JUSTICE.

YOU KEEP PENNING YOUR CLAP TRAP -  AND WE'LL KEEP EXPOSING YOU FOR THE MEDIA WHORE YOU ARE.







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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:40:35 AM
happy birthday roswell.not everyone reaches 60 earth years.Even Red made reference a few days ago.I think Dr Kalpoe is a good student.He should graduate from high school in 4 years..Maybe the island needs chiggers,for the next plague.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mishy on July 17, 2007, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good Morning.  

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland!  WOOHOO!  Not.  I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.  

Back to chemo for me.  Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin.  Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition.  How nice.  

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please.  I feel good this morning.  I am back in the game.  Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.  

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her.  It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation.  It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other.  Yet, they must.  

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here.  The chemo nurses are expecting me.  

I expect a miracle.


Peaches, you are a miracle! I am praying for you and your miracle!! Keep on being feisty!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:43:31 AM
Let us pray for several miracles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 10:52:48 AM
Thanks Klass  :lol:

ROB>>>TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL!!
LMAOOO!!
Great rant!!! (http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/5.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: NM on July 17, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
Peaches and Terry,
you are both in prayers and positive thoughts.  I'll send extra your(s) way. We need you both. Natalee needs you both!

None,
Thank you for bringing that post from JamiJo.  I will always associate the name renfro with the ugliest most horrible things.  IMO renfro-fluffa is also a suspect in the crimes against Natalee.

*******,
Thank you for bring the article re: Lana Stempien.  I hope the LE can keep an eye on the parents of chuck, example. their bank accts., travel, etc.
Morning beautiful Monkeys.
PS Thanks Red and Duggo for the wonderful gifts of 2005 threads!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 17, 2007, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life.

LET'S PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS - ON JORAN, PAULUS, DEEPAK, AND SATISH. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE! THESE PEOPLE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE - BECAUSE THEY KILLED HER!

ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT!

JULIA YOU FOOL NO ONE - YOU FOOL!

MAYBE THIS WORKS ON THE DRUNKS, CRACKHEADS AND METH MANUFACTURERS OVER AT YOUR SITE, BUT IT AIN'T WORKING ANYWHERE ELSE.

JULIA- Your life mission to destroy Beth and Natalee will never succeed. You just destroy YOURSELF! Which we are all happy to watch the self-immolation!

I know it's a tuff choice for you - DRINK the GRAIN or use it as FUEL!

Whatta SAD SACK-O-SHIT YOU TRULY ARE.

Most people (and I use that term loosely) aspire to actually be something in life... not you!

YOU SEEM TO THINK IT'S YOUR JOB TO DEFEND ALL THINGS SLOOT!

WHERE IS YOUR DUTCH LAW DEGREE? YOU SHOULD HAVE IT BY NOW!

WHAT IS IT A TWO WEEK COURSE? IF A DOPE LIKE SMIT CAN PASS IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE AFTER ONE OF YOUR PATENTED ALL WEEK BENDERS.

ONLY A CHUCKLEHEAD LIKE PAULUS CAN'T PASS THAT THING.

This case fools no one but YOU and your meathead operator Angela!

WITHOUT THE PULL AND ASS KISSING THIS CASE WOULD BE OVER.

JULIA/GLENDA/BONDIA/WRETCHED WITCH - THIS IS NOT OVER AND WON'T BE UNTIL NATALEE GETS HER JUSTICE.

YOU KEEP PENNING YOUR CLAP TRAP -  AND WE'LL KEEP EXPOSING YOU FOR THE MEDIA WHORE YOU ARE.







[/u]


 :smt038  :smt038  :smt038


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: the big hammer on July 17, 2007, 11:02:02 AM
Peaches --

Best wishes to you.

You can beat it.  You already did once before.  You can do it again.

And thanks for all you've done here.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 17, 2007, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"


ROB>>>TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL!!
LMAOOO!!
Great rant!!! (http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/5.gif)



Yeah, what Nut said!  
BRAVO!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 17, 2007, 11:14:01 AM
God be with you Peaches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 11:20:12 AM
nice rant...Rob ! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 11:38:00 AM
Well, ROB!

KUDOS!  Guess that 'bout says it all!!!!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 11:42:24 AM
Rob,you are RIGHT.That is right.I feel after everything anita,paulus,deepak said,why deny the obvious.She was drugged,raped and killed.Those three,guido,and others did it.I say to hell with them.May they be infested with chiggers for eternity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, ROB!

KUDOS!  Guess that 'bout says it all!!!!  :lol:


Artcolley -

I try to keep it lite. But I see exactly what this vulgar disgrace of a woman is doing. SHIFT THE BLAME TO ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

WE ALL KNOW WHO DID WHAT TO WHOM!

PATHETIC attempt to blame the victim and VICTIMIZE Beth again and again.

NICE TRY! IT AIN'T WORKING. NEVER HAS NEVER WILL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 11:45:33 AM
I keep being told to work today,so later monkeys.Oh we have a TV attorney in town whose ad is,"I sue drunk drivers."I like it,and I wish him well.Yes the sporter obeys the law about drinking,driving and gambling,when it suits him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, ROB!

KUDOS!  Guess that 'bout says it all!!!!  :lol:


Artcolley -

I try to keep it lite. But I see exactly what this vulgar disgrace of a woman is doing. SHIFT THE BLAME TO ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

WE ALL KNOW WHO DID WHAT TO WHOM!

PATHETIC attempt to blame the victim and VICTIMIZE Beth again and again.

NICE TRY! IT AIN'T WORKING. NEVER HAS NEVER WILL!


YOu are right.
The more that woman opens her mouth, the more turned off I am to that miserable place.
Renfroe and her minions are truly putting the nail in the coffin of Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, ROB!

KUDOS!  Guess that 'bout says it all!!!!  :lol:


Artcolley -

I try to keep it lite. But I see exactly what this vulgar disgrace of a woman is doing. SHIFT THE BLAME TO ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

WE ALL KNOW WHO DID WHAT TO WHOM!

PATHETIC attempt to blame the victim and VICTIMIZE Beth again and again.

NICE TRY! IT AIN'T WORKING. NEVER HAS NEVER WILL!


YOu are right.
The more that woman opens her mouth, the more turned off I am to that miserable place.
Renfroe and her minions are truly putting the nail in the coffin of Aruba.


I could not agree more!  Everytime I think - How low can they go...it gets lower.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 11:52:23 AM
Sounds like they may be closing in on David Munis.  I wonder if he will give up, or go down amidst blazing guns.....  One gal on Nancy Grace last night was comparing him to Rambo in First Blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289565,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, ROB!

KUDOS!  Guess that 'bout says it all!!!!  :lol:


Artcolley -

I try to keep it lite. But I see exactly what this vulgar disgrace of a woman is doing. SHIFT THE BLAME TO ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

WE ALL KNOW WHO DID WHAT TO WHOM!

PATHETIC attempt to blame the victim and VICTIMIZE Beth again and again.

NICE TRY! IT AIN'T WORKING. NEVER HAS NEVER WILL!


YOu are right.
The more that woman opens her mouth, the more turned off I am to that miserable place.
Renfroe and her minions are truly putting the nail in the coffin of Aruba.


I could not agree more!  Everytime I think - How low can they go...it gets lower.


HI Kimmy
The strange thing that is after all this time, they just don't get it!
Its their own actions and words that have turned decent people against Aruba and brought on the boycott.
They cannot, for some ungodly reason, get that through their thick skulls.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Sounds like they may be closing in on David Munis.  I wonder if he will give up, or go down amidst blazing guns.....  One gal on Nancy Grace last night was comparing him to Rambo in First Blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289565,00.html


Well, considering he has at least a handgun with him, I'd say he'll try shooting his way out of this..or..commit suicide "by cop".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 11:58:45 AM
Posted by Pearl @ BFN
Criminal Profiler, Pat Brown did an analysis of the 30 minute Current Affair interview with Joran and made notations:

The Sexual Homicide Exchange Website

http://www.sheprofilers.com/joran.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 12:03:04 PM
Art-

It's the same mindset as Anita and Paulus, it's more about self-indulgence and new age irresponsibility for your actions, a pathetic excuse for their selfishness. I bet if you ran a review of how many at that site do one ounce of community service it wouldn't fit into a thimble either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Art-

It's the same mindset as Anita and Paulus, it's more about self-indulgence and new age irresponsibility for your actions, a pathetic excuse for their selfishness. I bet if you ran a review of how many at that site do one ounce of community service it wouldn't fit into a thimble either.


Yep, None,you are right.
"everythings is relative" in this era of self indulgence.

Anita and Paulus and sorry excuses for parental responsibility in raising that thug they call a son and I suspect many on "that other site" are of the same ilk.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Sounds like they may be closing in on David Munis.  I wonder if he will give up, or go down amidst blazing guns.....  One gal on Nancy Grace last night was comparing him to Rambo in First Blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289565,00.html


Well, considering he has at least a handgun with him, I'd say he'll try shooting his way out of this..or..commit suicide "by cop".


Last night they made it sound like he had a chit load of guns and ammo.  I doubt the cops will tell him to drop his weapons more than once.

Why does it seem that it has become so easy for people to kill each other?  What happened to screamin', cussin' and leavin'?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Sounds like they may be closing in on David Munis.  I wonder if he will give up, or go down amidst blazing guns.....  One gal on Nancy Grace last night was comparing him to Rambo in First Blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289565,00.html


Well, considering he has at least a handgun with him, I'd say he'll try shooting his way out of this..or..commit suicide "by cop".


Last night they made it sound like he had a chit load of guns and ammo.  I doubt the cops will tell him to drop his weapons more than once.

Why does it seem that it has become so easy for people to kill each other?  What happened to screamin', cussin' and leavin'?


I think we've lost our collective soul, Easy.
Personally, I'd like to see them bring back "Public Hanging" in the town square! Bet THAT would cut down on this crap.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 17, 2007, 12:21:57 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Art-

It's the same mindset as Anita and Paulus, it's more about self-indulgence and new age irresponsibility for your actions, a pathetic excuse for their selfishness. I bet if you ran a review of how many at that site do one ounce of community service it wouldn't fit into a thimble either.


None,  I would hate to hear Renho's definition of "community service"  she probably thinks she "practices" it all the time.  That is how she ended up with all of those fatherless children.

I love your Avi..it makes me giggle everytime I see it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Art-

It's the same mindset as Anita and Paulus, it's more about self-indulgence and new age irresponsibility for your actions, a pathetic excuse for their selfishness. I bet if you ran a review of how many at that site do one ounce of community service it wouldn't fit into a thimble either.


None,  I would hate to hear Renho's definition of "community service"  she probably thinks she "practices" it all the time.  That is how she ended up with all of those fatherless children.

I love your Avi..it makes me giggle everytime I see it.


ROFLMAO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Art-

It's the same mindset as Anita and Paulus, it's more about self-indulgence and new age irresponsibility for your actions, a pathetic excuse for their selfishness. I bet if you ran a review of how many at that site do one ounce of community service it wouldn't fit into a thimble either.


None,  I would hate to hear Renho's definition of "community service"  she probably thinks she "practices" it all the time.  That is how she ended up with all of those fatherless children.

I love your Avi..it makes me giggle everytime I see it.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 12:34:38 PM
I had to share this with you all ~ I just love it  :lol:  :lol:

Texas Mom Uses Barbecue Meat Fork to Catch Alleged Child Rapist
Tuesday , July 17, 2007


"He was well done."

That's what one woman said Monday after helping her son apprehend an alleged child rapist using her barbecue meat fork.

"I stuck him in his butt!" Linda Rhodes told MyFOXdfw.com, explaining how she and her son John Jennings apprehended the 17-year-old suspect Friday night in Garland, Texas.

Jennings was barbecuing chicken when he heard a 7-year-old boy calling for help. He said he saw the suspect, Deshaun Ridge, on top of the child, allegedly raping the boy.

"He stood up, and I just punched him right in the face," Jennings said. "He put his hands up and I grabbed him, and we went fighting."

Rhodes called police and then jumped into the fight to help her son apprehend the suspect. They held Ridge until police arrived.

"They were citizens that jumped in, most definitely, and did a good deed," Joe Harn, a spokesman for the Garland Police Department, told MyFOXdfw.com. "These people are heroes."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 17, 2007, 12:40:18 PM
O/T
Peaches~
I'm so sorry to hear about your latest setback. I will continue on with prayers for you, your familyand for that miracle to happen. You deserve nothing but the best.  :)

TerryD~
You have been in my prayers as well and am hoping for the best from your appt. today.

The both of you are true fighters and heroes to us all. May the Lord wrap his loving arms around you and continue to carry you thru' this in your lives right now.

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
I had to share this with you all ~ I just love it  :lol:  :lol:

Texas Mom Uses Barbecue Meat Fork to Catch Alleged Child Rapist
Tuesday , July 17, 2007


"He was well done."

That's what one woman said Monday after helping her son apprehend an alleged child rapist using her barbecue meat fork.

"I stuck him in his butt!" Linda Rhodes told MyFOXdfw.com, explaining how she and her son John Jennings apprehended the 17-year-old suspect Friday night in Garland, Texas.

Jennings was barbecuing chicken when he heard a 7-year-old boy calling for help. He said he saw the suspect, Deshaun Ridge, on top of the child, allegedly raping the boy.

"He stood up, and I just punched him right in the face," Jennings said. "He put his hands up and I grabbed him, and we went fighting."

Rhodes called police and then jumped into the fight to help her son apprehend the suspect. They held Ridge until police arrived.

"They were citizens that jumped in, most definitely, and did a good deed," Joe Harn, a spokesman for the Garland Police Department, told MyFOXdfw.com. "These people are heroes."


WONDERFUL!!!!!!
THanks for sharing that, tcumom!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
I had to share this with you all ~ I just love it  :lol:  :lol:

Texas Mom Uses Barbecue Meat Fork to Catch Alleged Child Rapist
Tuesday , July 17, 2007


"He was well done."

That's what one woman said Monday after helping her son apprehend an alleged child rapist using her barbecue meat fork.

"I stuck him in his butt!" Linda Rhodes told MyFOXdfw.com, explaining how she and her son John Jennings apprehended the 17-year-old suspect Friday night in Garland, Texas.

Jennings was barbecuing chicken when he heard a 7-year-old boy calling for help. He said he saw the suspect, Deshaun Ridge, on top of the child, allegedly raping the boy.

"He stood up, and I just punched him right in the face," Jennings said. "He put his hands up and I grabbed him, and we went fighting."

Rhodes called police and then jumped into the fight to help her son apprehend the suspect. They held Ridge until police arrived.

"They were citizens that jumped in, most definitely, and did a good deed," Joe Harn, a spokesman for the Garland Police Department, told MyFOXdfw.com. "These people are heroes."


Thanks for bringing this tcu - Good for them!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 12:58:02 PM
AZSunny  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: back atcha

tcumom- thanks for bringing that article to our attention, it's great to know heroes still exist, love live the BBQ fork !

hi Kimmy  :D

back to my day of conference call heaven, AZ check your email later today, just had a presentation from a group that might interest you in your work  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 12:58:44 PM
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 12:58:50 PM
Waving at rooscrew, thank you for your prayer, we must keep both Peaches and Terry in our prayers daily !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


OMG WONDERFUL NEWS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Thank God!!!!
This is wonderful news!!!!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Oh my gosh !!! This is such joyous news!!
Tears of relief and thanks ~ a monkey celebration is in order.  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


OMG WONDERFUL NEWS!


I know!!!! (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/happy085.gif)  (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/happy085.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 17, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Great news. I hope he is back here chatting again real soon.  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 01:13:20 PM
Wonderful news !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D champagne is in order !!!!!!!!!!!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


YEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!

Great News!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 01:15:01 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
This is so exciting that it blew off the top of my swimsuit while I was sunning myself on the lake.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
Need to run to the store, BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Wonderful news !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D champagne is in order !!!!!!!!!!!

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How about we all have a toast to our special Terry ~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
This is so exciting that it blew off the top of my swimsuit while I was sunning myself on the lake.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :oops:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Wonderful news !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D champagne is in order !!!!!!!!!!!

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How about we all have a toast to our special Terry ~


Now we keep Peaches buoyed and moving forward, go Peaches !!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 01:22:53 PM
Go Peaches!!!!

We wub you lots!!!!!!!!!!


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 01:23:52 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Terry - if you are reading here.... I'm thinking of you and I'm very happy about the wonderful news. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Go Peaches!!!!

We wub you lots!!!!!!!!!!


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We need to go ahead and order another bottle of Nones champagne ~
I know we'll need for our sweet Peaches !!!
Can't wait to celebrate for and with her ~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 01:33:07 PM
GREAT NEWS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 17, 2007, 01:37:01 PM
Quote from: "robots"
GREAT NEWS


Peaches, you will get through this too. Monkeys are indefatigable.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 17, 2007, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
AZSunny  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: back atcha

tcumom- thanks for bringing that article to our attention, it's great to know heroes still exist, love live the BBQ fork !

hi Kimmy  :D

back to my day of conference call heaven, AZ check your email later today, just had a presentation from a group that might interest you in your work  :wink:


OK will do so. thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 17, 2007, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


That is great news!!! what a relief for him.  Prayers do work!!


Title: Terry Lee
Post by: AZSunny on July 17, 2007, 01:58:47 PM
This is part of an article regarding Terry Lee, the woman that was burned to death by her boyfriend after he drenched her in gasoline and then set her on fire. She died on Sunday. He had beaten her about the face prior to setting her on fire while she was still alive.  So sad, and so sick.

It seems so typical a reaction from the Scott Petersons, and JVDS of the world.  

Quote
Conroe Police Sgt. Mike Tindall told FOXNews.com in a phone interview that authorities pieced together what happened based on a statement Dodd gave them, as well as evidence they gathered from the scene — but said the suspect hasn't expressed regret at what he allegedly did to Lee.

"He has been what I would describe as somewhat cooperative," Tindall said. "He really has shown very little remorse throughout
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on July 17, 2007, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life.

LET'S PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS - ON JORAN, PAULUS, DEEPAK, AND SATISH. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE! THESE PEOPLE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE - BECAUSE THEY KILLED HER!

ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT!

JULIA YOU FOOL NO ONE - YOU FOOL!

MAYBE THIS WORKS ON THE DRUNKS, CRACKHEADS AND METH MANUFACTURERS OVER AT YOUR SITE, BUT IT AIN'T WORKING ANYWHERE ELSE.

JULIA- Your life mission to destroy Beth and Natalee will never succeed. You just destroy YOURSELF! Which we are all happy to watch the self-immolation!

I know it's a tuff choice for you - DRINK the GRAIN or use it as FUEL!

Whatta SAD SACK-O-SHIT YOU TRULY ARE.

Most people (and I use that term loosely) aspire to actually be something in life... not you!

YOU SEEM TO THINK IT'S YOUR JOB TO DEFEND ALL THINGS SLOOT!

WHERE IS YOUR DUTCH LAW DEGREE? YOU SHOULD HAVE IT BY NOW!

WHAT IS IT A TWO WEEK COURSE? IF A DOPE LIKE SMIT CAN PASS IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE AFTER ONE OF YOUR PATENTED ALL WEEK BENDERS.

ONLY A CHUCKLEHEAD LIKE PAULUS CAN'T PASS THAT THING.

This case fools no one but YOU and your meathead operator Angela!

WITHOUT THE PULL AND ASS KISSING THIS CASE WOULD BE OVER.

JULIA/GLENDA/BONDIA/WRETCHED WITCH - THIS IS NOT OVER AND WON'T BE UNTIL NATALEE GETS HER JUSTICE.

YOU KEEP PENNING YOUR CLAP TRAP -  AND WE'LL KEEP EXPOSING YOU FOR THE MEDIA WHORE YOU ARE.







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This deserves a big kiss!!!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on July 17, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
Great news, Terry!!!!

Peaches, keep the faith, lady.  I know you are up for the challange and these monkeys here are behind you one hundred percent!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
I just caught a little bit of the news conference on the toxicalogly reports on Chris Benoit and his family.  It looks like the little boy was sedated before he was strangled.  I guess that brings a little bit of consolation to the family, if that's at all possible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 02:47:05 PM
First,Terry,great news,Kate is ready to chase up a tree again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
Why did she only stick once,TCU.She had a chance to finish the job.Maybe this other guy will end it himself,and maybe the pervs in NAH's case will commit suicide


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 17, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
Hey Rob -- You Da MAN!!
Nice slam dunk dude!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Why did she only stick once,TCU.She had a chance to finish the job.Maybe this other guy will end it himself,and maybe the pervs in NAH's case will commit suicide

I'm hoping as they hauled him off, the bbq fork was still impaled in his rear....it gives me great pleasure to picture that....maybe I'll see if there *is* a pic.  :wink:  :D
Kind of worried about myself, as this story just made my day.....until
Terry's news really made my day.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Why did she only stick once,TCU.She had a chance to finish the job.Maybe this other guy will end it himself,and maybe the pervs in NAH's case will commit suicide

I'm hoping as they hauled him off, the bbq fork was still impaled in his rear....it gives me great pleasure to picture that....maybe I'll see if there *is* a pic.  :wink:  :D
Kind of worried about myself, as this story just made my day.....until
Terry's news really made my day.....


I would have found a way to stick that fork in his NUTS~~ So sick of these pervs!!!! :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 03:03:41 PM
Peaches, I hope you get better soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 17, 2007, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Why did she only stick once,TCU.She had a chance to finish the job.Maybe this other guy will end it himself,and maybe the pervs in NAH's case will commit suicide

I'm hoping as they hauled him off, the bbq fork was still impaled in his rear....it gives me great pleasure to picture that....maybe I'll see if there *is* a pic.  :wink:  :D
Kind of worried about myself, as this story just made my day.....until
Terry's news really made my day.....


***Also see FP story::
"Don't mess with Texas!"

Great News, Terry!!!!!


Title: what ever happened too question
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 17, 2007, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Easywriter
Quote from: Artcolley
Quote from: "Easywriter"


Why does it seem that it has become so easy for people to kill each other?  What happened to screamin', cussin' and leavin'?


  Hi Easy  how ya doin my friend ?
   I am sad to report that  screamin', cussin' and leavin'  went the same way as when I was a kid if you didn't like a kid or what he had done  then you wrestled him down untill he said  ''Uncle  or  enough '' then you both usually became friends .
                 your friend Jerry from Ohio


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 17, 2007, 03:44:42 PM
Sorry, O/T, but we've talked so much about the bad exports from China --

Y'all know that China executed  :shock:  its top food inspector-type guy, last week, right? (Imagine if WE did that when officials screwed up!)

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 17, 2007, 04:04:43 PM
I have also prayed for both Terry and Peaches  and I am sure God heard me amd saw my smoke      Good luck Peaches  <g>                                                                                                                                                    
*************************************************************
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Why did she only stick once,TCU.She had a chance to finish the job.Maybe this other guy will end it himself,and maybe the pervs in NAH's case will commit suicide

I'm hoping as they hauled him off, the bbq fork was still impaled in his rear....it gives me great pleasure to picture that....maybe I'll see if there *is* a pic.  :wink:  :D
Kind of worried about myself, as this story just made my day.....until
Terry's news really made my day.....


I would have found a way to stick that fork in his NUTS~~ So sick of these pervs!!!! :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 04:06:20 PM
As I expected,Ms Marple hit the nail on the head.If Ms marple wants,she can let Peaches know where I shall be and when.i would like to meet her.Maybe if the TCU mom had been there,he would been impaled and on the grill.i forgot,when you are murdered,can you return to your past life,just a random thought


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 04:07:07 PM
Klass,are the three pervs,still in Holland.It has been quiet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: terryd270 on July 17, 2007, 04:07:13 PM
Thanks for all the positive prayers and thoughts from everyone..  I was prepared for the worse and when she said everything came back negative, I said thats good right and her reply was that is great..  I have to see her every 4 weeks for a year because this type of cancer has away of returning the first year but I feel good today.. I had a friend of mine that has a little boy with autism and I want to share his note to you, its really made me smile.. This guy is someone I work with and I actually got him a job where I work.. I told him to make sure no one moves into my office while I'm away and he promised he wouldn't..

"Terry,
Did anyone tell you you are great at telling stories? You should have been a writer...I have been thinking a lot about you today, and a lot of people at XXXX have been asking about you as well. We are all sending you positive vibes. I'll say a prayer for you (though I'm not really religious, but it seems to have worked in the past whenever my wife have "made" me say one.) My son has actually been asking about you, I guess he must have overheard me telling my wife what going on. He walked out of the kitchen yesterday and when I asked him where he was going, he said "I'm gonna make a card for Terry so he feels better". I thought that was kinda cute...Best of luck tomorrow.
Atle"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Klass,are the three pervs,still in Holland.It has been quiet.


I don't know who all is in Holland still.  Joran and Guido for sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 17, 2007, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
I would have found a way to stick that fork in his NUTS~~ So sick of these pervs!!!! :evil:



Yeah, I'm sure one poke and he won't ever wanna use them again!   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
Terry - I'm so happy for you!  This is how I invision you upon your return from the doctors today:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BikeSquirrelcopy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 17, 2007, 04:15:49 PM
terry - it is so good to see a post from you. We've all been anxious ... clearly you went right somewhere along the line!

tiger - I'll see what I can do re. Peaches, maybe other area Monkeys. (I will email you tonight.)

Peaches - Good news AND Bad news for you ... but what the heck, you've been there, done that ... you continue to be an inspiration.


There are only two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle.

-- Albert Einstein


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2007, 04:19:27 PM
Terry - great to see you here.  Prayers have been answered for sure! I am so glad for your good news!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Terry - great to see you here.  Prayers have been answered for sure! I am so glad for your good news!


Indeed, welcome back!
My thoughts are with Peaches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: NM on July 17, 2007, 04:51:23 PM
Terry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for getting better!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 17, 2007, 04:53:42 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Waving at rooscrew, thank you for your prayer, we must keep both Peaches and Terry in our prayers daily !


Waving back atcha None, HI!  :)
Got busy and just got back to catch up with the thread.

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 17, 2007, 04:58:00 PM
Great news Terry - Proof that good things happen to good people!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 17, 2007, 05:02:55 PM
Terry~
AWESOME NEWS!!!  :)
Great to see you posting! I really do enjoy your postings/stories, they are really great! We have missed you here in the cage.


Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
This is a picture of the Moko behind the Sloot home. TES went their once but had to give up because of cables and rusted metal under the surface. This is also the spot Simian has referred to several times as being a place of interest. There is a photo around of three divers, but I don't believe it is this spot, because there are no rocks coming up from the quarry bottom.

I would like to see this area gridded, searched and if possible drained.
(http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/1089/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana5.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: sharon on July 17, 2007, 05:11:20 PM
Peaches -- I'm so sorry that you are going through more major stress.  You are in my thoughts and I wish you the strength you need to punch right through.

Terryd - What fantastic news you received and shared! Very good to hear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 17, 2007, 05:11:22 PM
Terry, so glad reportrs are turning out well for you.

Tiger, hope to see you soon.

What is going on with Peaches?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 17, 2007, 05:14:28 PM
SPOCK - I agree, that Moko needs to be searched thoroughly.  No telling what they would find.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
SPOCK - I agree, that Moko needs to be searched thoroughly.  No telling what they would find.


I dont know where they could put all that water if they drained it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 17, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 17, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
SPOCK - I agree, that Moko needs to be searched thoroughly.  No telling what they would find.


I dont know where they could put all that water if they drained it...


They searched it cursorily before I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 05:25:56 PM
Sunfreak~ below is what sweet Peaches posted this morning ~
I know we will celebrate a miracle with her.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Good Morning.

Well, the tests results are in and it's ovarian cancer by an adrenal gland! WOOHOO! Not. I am back to chasing down the microscopic stuff that the surgeon couldn't see.

Back to chemo for me. Probably four rounds of two drugs - carboplatin and Avastin. Seems in some lucky women ovarian cancer is a chronic condition. How nice.

Still beats a dirt nap.

Pray for me, please. I feel good this morning. I am back in the game. Feeling feisty and ready to fight again.

I don't know how Natalee's family goes thru life without her. It's like a chronic condition of total heartbreak and devastation. It's a wonder any of them can put one foot in front of the other. Yet, they must.

Time for me to put one foot in front of the other and get outta here. The chemo nurses are expecting me.

I expect a miracle.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 17, 2007, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


JuJu - Moko is the little dump area behind where the Sloots live.  Despite that it is a dumping area, there are some pricey homes there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


In Aruba, it usually refers to a former limestone quarry that has turned into a watery refuse pit. There is a sizable one about a 5 min walk from the Sloot home and it is a place joran reportedly disposed of a dog.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: terryd270 on July 17, 2007, 05:29:22 PM
I just got back from taking care of two cats that my friend asked me to look after while he was away.. They were waiting at the door when I came in and they have no manners, I mean before I could put their food in their dishes they were eating from the counter while I pour their food into their bowls..  It was nice to be back driving again and this was good test run, since his house is close and a pretty straight course..  Its kinda funny because he got the cats because when he broke up with his girl friend she didn't want them and they were her cats and she just left them with him.. They have it made, he really does spoiled them..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
This is a picture of the Moko behind the Sloot home. TES went their once but had to give up because of cables and rusted metal under the surface. This is also the spot Simian has referred to several times as being a place of interest. There is a photo around of three divers, but I don't believe it is this spot, because there are no rocks coming up from the quarry bottom.

I would like to see this area gridded, searched and if possible drained.
(http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/1089/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana5.jpg)

I can see them temporarily burying Natalee here and then moving her later on with the help of the ALE.  I would love to see the area gridded also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: terryd270 on July 17, 2007, 05:32:21 PM
What ever happen to the law suit with the Kalpo brothers and Dr. Phil?  Has anything happen?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 05:33:02 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


In Aruba, it usually refers to a former limestone quarry that has turned into a watery refuse pit. There is a sizable one about a 5 min walk from the Sloot home and it is a place joran reportedly disposed of a dog.


(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5332/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana3.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 05:34:29 PM
Klass,I was thinking Koen,also.I look forward,also,Sun,etc.Moko may still have something,the ancients used to look at entrails to devine things.I wonder what anita entrails would devine,besides a big mess and stink.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: terryd270 on July 17, 2007, 05:35:26 PM
Well I'm going to watch the news and do some work but want everyone to have a great day.. I feel for Peaches and I know exactly how it is waiting for good news but expecting the worse..  The positive thing is that she faced it before and therefore knows the enemy and it takes the fear factor out of it.. I keep saying that its 2007 and there is always hope, even when most doctors don't give much out..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
What ever happen to the law suit with the Kalpo brothers and Dr. Phil?  Has anything happen?

I beleive the next hearing date is in August.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Well I'm going to watch the news and do some work but want everyone to have a great day.. I feel for Peaches and I know exactly how it is waiting for good news but expecting the worse..  The positive thing is that she faced it before and therefore knows the enemy and it takes the fear factor out of it.. I keep saying that its 2007 and there is always hope, even when most doctors don't give much out..


Have a GREAT day Terry!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


In Aruba, it usually refers to a former limestone quarry that has turned into a watery refuse pit. There is a sizable one about a 5 min walk from the Sloot home and it is a place joran reportedly disposed of a dog.

I bet Paulus told Joran look the family is here get rid of her body for now.  I will distract them while you take her out of the house.

I would say Joran was at home with a few friends when Beth arrived and they were plotting what to do.  She screwed up the plans with that also and didn't give them enough time to property dispose of her body.  My guess would be Joran, Deepak, Freddy.  I am convinced there is evidence buried at the Sloot home.

Dig Paulus dig with those dirty hands of yours :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 05:38:06 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Klass,I was thinking Koen,also.I look forward,also,Sun,etc.Moko may still have something,the ancients used to look at entrails to devine things.I wonder what anita entrails would devine,besides a big mess and stink.

Not sure about Koen.  There have been rumors that Koen is going to school in the NL and also that Sander has joined a semi-pro soccer team in the NL.  Rumors.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: terryd270 on July 17, 2007, 05:39:08 PM
August should be interesting, TES is going back and the court case, and Beths book coming out..  It should be an interesting month..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
This is a picture of the Moko behind the Sloot home. TES went their once but had to give up because of cables and rusted metal under the surface. This is also the spot Simian has referred to several times as being a place of interest. There is a photo around of three divers, but I don't believe it is this spot, because there are no rocks coming up from the quarry bottom.

I would like to see this area gridded, searched and if possible drained.


Spock this area might be under the water table and might not be able to completely drained... it would just keep filling up.... I'm not totally sure tho-


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 17, 2007, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
This is a picture of the Moko behind the Sloot home. TES went their once but had to give up because of cables and rusted metal under the surface. This is also the spot Simian has referred to several times as being a place of interest. There is a photo around of three divers, but I don't believe it is this spot, because there are no rocks coming up from the quarry bottom.

I would like to see this area gridded, searched and if possible drained.


Spock this area might be under the water table and might not be able to completely drained... it would just keep filling up.... I'm not totally sure tho-

That is also why they could not completely drain the swamp by the Racquet Club.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Sue on July 17, 2007, 05:45:14 PM


OT

This just in from King 5 News.
 
KING5 News has learned police in Lakewood, WA have officially named Terapon Adhan, the man suspected of killing 12-year-old Zina Linnik, as a "person of interest" in the disappearance of Adre'anna Jackson. 10-year-old Adre'anna disappeared in December, 2005.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


In Aruba, it usually refers to a former limestone quarry that has turned into a watery refuse pit. There is a sizable one about a 5 min walk from the Sloot home and it is a place joran reportedly disposed of a dog.


(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5332/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana3.jpg)


This is why Joran will always deny he was ever at his home that night.  Someone saw his actions.  Whenever someone has seen something Joran calls them a liar and that never happened.  They had Natalee all over the island that night except his house.  It is so obvious she was there and I believe the neighbor saw something.  This is the reason for the BS story about the music blasting and the neighbor coming out to tell him to lower it.  There are eyewitnesses.  Joran went to his favorite dumping ground.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 05:49:34 PM
San - like you I have been following everything that has happened. And I believe that by 6 am Natalee was gone.

There is no way that Paulus was chancing Beth and Co showing up at his door and Natalee being on the premises. He knew someone was coming for Natalee.

HE KNEW!

He moved fast... very fast.

That's why the most important info as to where Natalee went is not in the first ten day in my opinion, but the first 10 hours.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
This is a picture of the Moko behind the Sloot home. TES went their once but had to give up because of cables and rusted metal under the surface. This is also the spot Simian has referred to several times as being a place of interest. There is a photo around of three divers, but I don't believe it is this spot, because there are no rocks coming up from the quarry bottom.

I would like to see this area gridded, searched and if possible drained.


Spock this area might be under the water table and might not be able to completely drained... it would just keep filling up.... I'm not totally sure tho-

That is also why they could not completely drain the swamp by the Racquet Club.


I agree, it would keep filling up. At least it could be gridded and searched by a team of divers. The last time there TES gave up, after the neighbors starting throwing items in the water and cables became a problem. I think if TES is going to grid search ten square miles of deep water, they could go back here and look over this shallow water close to the home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: "Spock"

I agree, it would keep filling up. At least it could be gridded and searched by a team of divers. The last time there TES gave up, after the neighbors starting throwing items in the water and cables became a problem. I think if TES is going to grid search ten square miles of deep water, they could go back here and look over this shallow water close to the home.


I agree. There are areas that need to be cleared.

If you use Beth's words Spock - the ones where she says Natalee might not be recoverable any longer... then she is prolly not in that dump. She seem to think Natalee is somewhere else where time and ??? have eroded the chances for a recovery...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 05:59:30 PM
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 06:01:16 PM
Found a picture of CR dancing at CnC  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/crdance2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


Joran didn't go to school - he did go to school.

Bottom line is none of them went to school or work.  Paulus had Joran tagging along with him all day because he knew Joran couldn't be trusted and Deepak was home stopping Satish from having a nervous breakdown.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 06:03:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Found a picture of CR dancing at CnC  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/crdance2.gif)


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
O/T

I'm watching the local news, and they said there was breaking news in the Teresa Parker case. Apparently the other police officer who was originally arrested (not her husband) has been rearrested. He was in Mobile, Ala., and is being extradicted back to Georgia. The charges were something along the lines of intering with evidence and internet invasion of privacy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


Joran didn't go to school - he did go to school.

Bottom line is none of them went to school or work.  Paulus had Joran tagging along with him all day because he knew Joran couldn't be trusted and Deepak was home stopping Satish from having a nervous breakdown.


Where is Angela Reppas statement? I know she made one.. do we have it?
I bet there is a ton about Deepak in there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 06:08:49 PM
The First 10 hours looks like a job for the FREEBIRDS! :D  HINT HINT!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 06:14:28 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


Joran didn't go to school - he did go to school.

Bottom line is none of them went to school or work.  Paulus had Joran tagging along with him all day because he knew Joran couldn't be trusted and Deepak was home stopping Satish from having a nervous breakdown.


Where is Angela Reppas statement? I know she made one.. do we have it?
I bet there is a ton about Deepak in there.

I looked in the important case document section and I don't see one.

I can see the questions they asked Angela.

ALE - Did Deepak come to work the day of May 30th.

Angela - Yes he did and I was with him working.

ALE - Was he on time.

Angela - Deepak is always on time he is my best worker.

ALE - Did he look tired.

Angela - No he was his chipper self.

ALE - Did Satish call him 50 times on the work phone.

Angela - We are not allowed to accept personal calls while at work but I did see Satish's number pop up on the caller ID about 50 times.

ALE - Do big people lie.

Angela - You have to ask Nadira.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran. Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work. Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.
Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


I agree, we really have no timeline for anyone in the first day or so. We have is J2K leaving C&C at about 1 am, Joran arriving at school somehow at about 7:30 am, Satish missing school, and Deepak starting work at 3 pm. Then, we have the Raquet club story, the casino tour, and the 3 am BT visit. Couple that, with half the statements are missing or incomplete and the timeline is a bust.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 17, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
THANKS TO ALL! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 06:20:59 PM
Speaking of Natalee's Freebirds - here is their latest:

RICK SMID- ARUBA’S DIRTIEST JUDGE

Many of the judicial rulings by the Dutch judges in the Natalee Holloway case have been highly questionable, some so openly biased in favor of the Van der Sloot family they smack of corruption. For instance, when a search warrant was being executed on the Van Der Sloot home on June 15, 2005 investigators were surprised to find Curacao Judge Bob Wit open the door and inform them their search would not include the main Van Der Sloot residence or the surrounding property.

Eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested for "reasonable suspicion" in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway Judge Bob Wit intervened again, disallowing a search of the Van Der Sloot home. Ironically, no such limitations were ever placed on the search of the homes of two black security guards who were arrested on June 5, 2005. In fact, Aruban police ransacked their homes and perp walked them in front of the media, only later having to release them because there was no evidence that, unlike Joran Van Der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, they had ever been in contact with Natalee Holloway.

Since when do suspects in a murder investigation get a free pass from having their house searched? Prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway it is well known that Paulus Van Der Sloot had been a Dutch judge in training. Did his connections to the judiciary in Aruba and nearby Curacao have any influence on these rulings by Judge Bob Wit?

Judge Bob Wit's early decisions in the Natalee Holloway case would start a chain reaction of pro-Dutch, anti-victim rulings that would eventually free the Van Der Sloots from facing criminal charges.


JUDGE RICK SMID, ARUBA’S DIRTIEST JUDGE, IGNORES INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE AGAINST THE MAIN SUSPECTS


“Aruba’s Dirtiest Judge” honor, however, goes to Dutch Judge Rick Smid for his extremely questionable rulings in the Natalee Holloway case. This one judge has caused as much damage to the Holloway case being solved as is humanly possible. IT WAS RICK SMID WHO SET THE STAGE FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT TO FLEE THE ISLAND OF ARUBA.

Police statements from Joran and the Kalpoe brothers—the last people to be seen with Natalee Holloway-- have revealed many disparities in their accounts of what happened that night she disappeared. In a secretly recorded conversation in a police van on June 25, 2005 the three suspects engaged in heated arguments about who was responsible for Nataleee’s demise, implicating not only each other but Joran’s father Paulus.

It is clear from these tapes and other statements the suspects gave to police, that the three suspects had detailed and intimate knowledge that something bad had happened to Miss Holloway. Joran even described the victim’s undergarments in great detail. Judge Rick Smid chose to completely ignore the fact that the main suspects were telling different accounts of what happened to Natalee that night. Why did judge Smid ignore such glaring and obvious contradictions in the stories of the three suspects? Even the simplest of minds would know that some of the parties were telling lies, indicating a clear measure of guilt.

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR DIARIO ARUBA
Monday, November 21, 2005



No one has accused them of murder, but they themselves admitted to police during interrogations that something bad happened to Natalee while she was with them, without specifying what ‘something bad’ was! That they admitted to committing sexual abuse against her.

It is not extensive that the judge who presided over the case and decided that some things were inadmissible. He could be the best judge in the world, but in this case, he made light of and greatly neglected to pay attention to the three suspects’ admissions, since he didn’t even interrogate them about what was left hanging in the air, such as the declaration of Joran at the beach that he believes that Deepak raped and killed Natalee! How did this matter end there? How were the other accusations and counter-accusations among the three suspects not evaluated for their just content?

RICK SMID SHIELDS THE SUSPECTS FROM FURTHER TESTIMONY AND ALLOWS THE MAIN SUSPECT TO FLEE THE ISLAND

Judge Rick Smid was very aware of the discrepancies and inconsistencies in Joran Van der Sloot’s and the Kalpoe’s stories when he made several of his rulings in the case. Judge Smid was also aware Joran had lied about dropping off Natalee Holloway off at the Holiday Inn and had told four differing and contradictory stories as to how he got home that night. The Kalpoe brothers to this day disagree with Joran Van der Sloot on how he got home early that morning.

In an Aruban court on August 30, 2005 Judge Rick Smid ruled there was enough evidence that Joran Van Der Sloot should be held in police custody another 30 days. Then Judge Smid does something very unusual. He returns to his office in Curacao and faxes in a reversal of his ruling only hours later. Citing an obscure Dutch case dubbed the “Ponson Rule”, Judge Smid ruled that Joran’s schoolwork was more important than the case of a missing, and most likely, murdered, tourist. It should be noted the Ponson Rule was originally instituted for a baseball player who was involved in a case nowhere near as serious as murder.

As a direct result of Judge Rick Smid's ruling, Joran Van Der Sloot (to this day the main suspect in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance) was released from police custody on September 3, 2005 and immediately fled the island of Aruba to the safety of Holland three days later.

Less than two weeks later three Dutch Superior Court judges in Curacao delivered their final coup de grace. On September 14, 2005, in a ruling by three Dutch judges from Curacao, Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes brothers were all released unconditionally. This order prevented law enforcement from taking any further testimony from the three suspects in the Natalee Holloway case - despite the fact their accounts of what happened the night Natalee Holloway disappeared in their company are drastically different. Why would these three judges release the three main suspects from giving further testimony when those same judges knew full well the suspects lied to police, with conflicting stories from one suspect to the next?

Rogue Judge Rick Smid's rulings would be a devastating blow to the Natalee Holloway case. When Aruba spokesperson Steve Cohen promised the American public the three suspects would be brought back in for questioning in December 2005, it was revealed they would never have to testify again. All of this as a result of Judge Rick Smid's abuse of his position on the bench.

ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 1, 2005



The judge in the case issued two rulings: In the first, he agreed with prosecutors' request to extend the period of van der Sloot's pretrial detention by 30 more days.

But later Thursday, the judge issued another ruling that sided with the defense — an order to immediately suspend the execution of his earlier pretrial detention order.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163292/

BETH TWITTY ON NANCY GRACE
September 13, 2005

GRACE: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

TWITTY: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR DIARIO ARUBA
Monday, October 1, 2005

Did the judge who came from Curacao probably plan take the decisions he took, spoiled the case? With all due respect for the position you have taken, have you seen what happened?

The case was resolved in phases the same judge planned: first release Paul v.d. Sloot , then he came back to release the Kalpoe brothers and the third phase he executed now when came to set Joran free because Joran expressed his wish to continue his studies.

I have similarly not made any accusations of any sort against the Kalpoe brothers; what I have repeated is what can be found in the Polis reports where they started pointing the fingers one against the other! It is in these three phases here that Americans see the corruption of our justice system.


THE DUTCH JUDGES ARE PART OF THE ARUBA "GOOD OLE BOY" NETWORK THAT PROTECTS THEIR OWN

The Aruban government and law enforcement are riddled with good ole boy friendships that usurp their ability to exact justice when one of their own is involved in a crime. It has been rumored that Judge Rick Smid was a close personal friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot and had stayed in his residence on occasion during his visits to Aruba. Judging by his rulings, this would seem to be the case.

Jossy Mansur points out that the Dutch judges were in collusion all along in an editorial that ran in his newspaper, El Diario Aruba. Given such a biased series of rulings in the Natalee Holloway case it is hard not to believe these judges all worked in unison to deny justice to the American victim in favor of saving their fellow Dutch nationalists' from facing their crimes in a court of law.

To this day Joran Van Der Sloot is considered the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, and his father Paulus was recently denied compensation when it was revealed through a wiretapped conversation he had met Natalee Holloway the same day she disappeared – not once, but twice. It is well known that Paulus Van Der Sloot is suspected of covering up his son's criminal acts against Natalee Holloway and some believe he had direct involvement in her demise. His lies in police statements concerning his whereabouts the night Holloway disappeared, in addition to stating he had never met Holloway, exposed in court, serve to reinforce such suspicions.

But yet the Dutch have chosen to do nothing in the case even though it is well proven all of the suspects lied as both witnesses and suspects, and thanks to the Dutch judges' orders they will not have to face questioning again.

EDITOR JOSSY MANSUR OF DIARIO NEWSPAPER ON NANCY GRACE

October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

RICK SMID'S HISTORY OF LENIENCE ON CRIMINALS RAISES QUESTIONS OF HIS INTEGRITY AND ABILITY TO SERVE AS A JUDGE. IF RICK SMID WILL DO THIS FOR NON-DUTCH CRIMINALS, IMAGINE WHAT HE WILL DO FOR HIS DUTCH FRIENDS AND CO-WORKERS


Rick Smid refuses to have human traffickers and drug dealers arrested:

PHILIPSBURG - Two men considered to be the local organisers of what the Prosecutor’s Office believes to be a Chinese-led human smuggling operation are facing six- and eight-year prison sentences. They were also accused Thursday of involvement in the drug trade, mainly cocaine.

The Prosecutor further requested the immediate arrest of both suspects, who had been released from pre-trial detention in April, but this was turned down by Judge Rick Smid.
http://news.caribseek.com/Sint_Maarten/The_Daily_Herald/article_50851.shtml
Posted: Jun 15, 2007 20:05 UTC

Rick Smid gives human trafficker 38 days in jail:

PHILIPSBURG--While investigations are ongoing into the alleged involvement of a police commissioner in human trafficking, a 28-year-old man was found guilty by the Court of First Instance on Wednesday of having tried to bribe Chief Immigration Officer Ademar Doran.

Judge Rick Smid sentenced Stephen Bruney to 180 days, 142 of which to be suspended, with three years’ probation and 200 hours of community service.
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/k024/bribe024.html

IN COWARDLY FASHION, SMID RELEASES THE SUSPECTS UNDER THE MEDIA BLUR OF HURRICANE KATRINA

Had Hurricane Katrina not taken the spotlight off of Aruba, Judge Smid may have reconsidered his ruling. Instead it seems he found the catastrophe the perfect time to make such a bold and suspicious judgment. While American eyes were turned to the Gulf Coast of the U.S., Rick Smid took full advantage to free Joran van der Sloot and allow this suspect’s flight to Holland.

Smid takes advantage of a catastrophe to deal his own damage:

NANCY GRACE
September 13, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, you know, Nancy, I was thinking, I knew there was corruption and cover-up involved. But I certainly didn`t know they were cowards either, and to hide beneath the cloak of Hurricane Katrina is just reprehensible. And you know, I think -- I think of the Dutch government, and I want to keep the focus on this political party in place, NEP (ph). I think of this judge, Rick Smit. And I can`t imagine putting the suspects` rights or the suspects, you know, before the victim of Natalee, and that why should he choose to be concerned about Joran attending university in The Hague? It just is unbelievable.

GRACE: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

TWITTY: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html

QUESTIONS ABOUT RICK SMID AND HIS FELLOW JUDGE BOB WIT:


*Why would a judge block the search of the home belonging to a suspect in a murder investigation? Was this because Paulus Van Der Sloot was a Dutch judge in training? If not, why were the two black security guards not given the same consideration days earlier when their homes were ransacked by investigators and police?

*Why would Judge Rick Smid rule a suspect be held in custody for another 30 days and reverse his own ruling within hours after he had fled the island of Aruba to his office in Curacao? Was he afraid he might have to explain his ruling to the media while he was still on the island of Aruba? What was Judge Smid afraid of? Why the deception?

*Why did Judge Rick Smid overlook incriminating testimony by a suspect and release him by citing his “schoolwork” as being the more important factor in the case? Since when does a suspect’s "schoolwork" take precedence over finding justice for a murdered tourist? Is it because Joran Van der Sloot is Dutch and Natalee Holloway is merely a missing victim?

*What kind of judge can look at basic, rudimentary statements with conflicting testimonies from three suspects and release them from further questioning by the authorities?

*Why have all these Dutch judges made such favorable rulings in favor of Joran Van Der Sloot, shielding him from further legal action when, in fact, he is the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Joran Van Der Sloot, who has been diagnosed by both Dutch and U.S. investigators as a "pathological liar", remains free today as a result of such obviously biased rulings.

*What kind of judicial system places favoritism over justice through the use of ambiguous rulings in favor of suspected criminals? The judges from Curacao, including Rick Smid, have given the Dutch judicial system a black eye worldwide.

"And he (Paulus Van der Sloot) was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work."


Jossy Mansur


Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee's Freebirds
 
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
O/T

I'm watching the local news, and they said there was breaking news in the Teresa Parker case. Apparently the other police officer who was originally arrested (not her husband) has been rearrested. He was in Mobile, Ala., and is being extradicted back to Georgia. The charges were something along the lines of intering with evidence and internet invasion of privacy.


Thanks, I'll keep my eye out for updates.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 06:31:01 PM
Well Smid should on the list of as*bites.So many of these,so little time.Koen and Sander flee again.Hmmm Futbol is a contact sport sander,be careful.We want to see play in jail.Throwing items in an area to be searched,how nice.Who are the neighbors,other pimps and drug dealers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: wreck on July 17, 2007, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


The lack of "clarity" on these issues IS the evidence!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2007, 06:52:21 PM
Hello Monkeys :)

Klaas-please check your email.  I hope I sent message to correct address.  It's important.  Thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2007, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Rob"
Has anyone, besides me, ever noticed how convoluted the first 10+ hours are?

He went to school - he didn't go to school. He had scratches and a black eye - he was only sick and sleep in the nurse lounge. He had sex - no he didn't. Headmaster says he is talking about sex - then he's not at school. Picked up near Lorenzo's - caught the school bus there. Paulus puts the kids on bus but can't remember if Joran is on it. He remembers the two other one are, but not Joran.

Deepak didn't go to work - he did go to work.

Satish over sleeps - wakes up at 11am. Missed school altogether.

Paulus no time line at all.

This is where is is all at if you ask me and if anyone could ever get a solid time-line here, it would be all over.


The lack of "clarity" on these issues IS the evidence!!!


It's clear as mud!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 07:22:38 PM
Monday Timeline   :arrow:  A Mess

I started one, got all the info together...but in the end it was difficult to put together anything coherent. What is needed is a Guido PV, a Koen PV and a more in-depth PV by Paulus.

Joran's 6/14 PV gives his monday story, a story given a major overhaul in the book. Many questions/issues remain.

- school/no school , bus/no bus/bus at drive-in

- Paulus' multiple bank visits / witness deceased(?)

- Schoolteacher PV not helpful > moving cabinets/sleeping?

- Multiple versions of when Paulus got home, and who was home at the time.

- Freddy (and other family members - IMO) say afternoon visit from Joran. No Freddy on monday, at all, per Joran.

- Raquet Club visit now down to 15-20 minutes per book. This leaves a few hours unaccounted for.

- Deepak claims a 6pm call to Joran where he is told that Joran is gambling with Guido. Deepak says this exact time in multiple PVs. Joran never mentions this call and does not introduce Guido into any version until hours later.

- Paulus denies seeing Joran after RQ dropoff/ then says he returned at 8pm to drop off *bag*, meets Joran as he is walking.

- Paulus gives different versions of the wheres/whens of his contacts with Val and Sebastian.

- Joran and Guido going to the VDS house to get money. Joran does not add this part to his story until book.

- Many different casino stories. All boring as heck.  :)  Time gaps everywhere (Andre PV has good info).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 07:28:59 PM
Thank You Igsigs  :arrow:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 07:33:59 PM
There has to be a REAL phone log. Does anyone have anything even close to what the KLPD might have?

This lil diddy could be the key.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 07:36:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Good news!!!!

Terry just got back from his doctor's appointment, and there is no sign of cancer.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D



Thank you Lord!!  This has made my day the best day in a long, long time.  I am happy, happy, happy!!!  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
There has to be a REAL phone log. Does anyone have anything even close to what the KLPD might have?

This lil diddy could be the key.


just to add- no one can be in two places at once. Not even on Aruba.

Well, Chris Angel could prolly do it... but he could prolly solve where Natalee is located today.

If the suspects make statements that they are in one area and that is not backed by a phone log... we could have a major discrepancy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 07:38:18 PM
Can someone post a link to that ALE spreadsheet that shows who was interviewed and when (can't seem to find it)?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
There has to be a REAL phone log. Does anyone have anything even close to what the KLPD might have?

This lil diddy could be the key.

I could not agree more. > phone records

Joran *admits* to many monday phone calls. I hope the KLPD are triangulating their ass off. :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"
There has to be a REAL phone log. Does anyone have anything even close to what the KLPD might have?

This lil diddy could be the key.

I could not agree more. > phone records

Joran *admits* to many monday phone calls. I hope the KLPD are triangulating their ass off. :arrow:


Atlmetroguy is our resident expert here. But anyone can see if one says they are at the ISA and they are pinged to Noord ... WE HAVE A PROBLEM HOUSTON!

likewise for the Kalpoes.

And where the heck is Paulus really?

I know hind sight is 20/20 - but was anyone watching this cretin?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Can someone post a link to that ALE spreadsheet that shows who was interviewed and when (can't seem to find it)?


You mean this one?  It's in the important case document area at the top in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil thread:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 07:47:23 PM
Jet crashed in Brazil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Jet crashed in Brazil.


PLANE CARRYING AT LEAST 150 CRASHES INTO GAS STATION AFTER LANDING IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 07:58:51 PM
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:03:04 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Jet crashed in Brazil.


PLANE CARRYING AT LEAST 150 CRASHES INTO GAS STATION AFTER LANDING IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


SanI've been watching that closely. Horrible.
I am a bit nervous as my son has been flying around there a lot lately. He is in North East Brazil, but flies South often to give lectures, etc. Seems Sao Paulo is a "hub" of a lot of connecting flights.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


No, No, and NO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 08:03:22 PM
puggywug

Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Virginia
 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject:      

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Hello, Everyone. I have not been able to stay on top of all the posts, so I apologize if someone has already done this.

I am attempting to compile a list of all people who have been questioned and/or arrested in the case of Natalee Holloway. It is an effort to sort the facts in my head. I would really appreciate anyone's help in confirming dates, information, etc.

Thanks,
Puggywug

CAST OF CHARACTERS
In the Mysterious & Heartbreaking Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

Joren van der Sloot, age 17
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Student at International School

Deepak Kalpoe, age 21
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Satish Kalpoe, age 18
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Antonius “Mickey” John, age 30
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Abraham Jones, age 28
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Steve Gregory Croes, age 26
Questioned 17 June 2005
Arrested 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
DJ on “party boat” called “Tattoo”
Knows one of Kalpoe brothers from internet cafe

Lorenzo van Rijn
Questioned 16 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Rumored to be son of VW dealer who committed suicide
Rumored to be illegitimate son of PVDS

Max Arrends, age ?
Questioned 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Student at International School ?


Paulus van der Sloot, age
Questioned 18 June 2005
Questioned second time 19 June 2005
Father of JVSD
Court did not allow him to visit son, JVSD
Questioned as a “witness”
Judge-in-training in Aruba

Anita van der Sloot, age ?
Questioned 18 June 2005 ?
Questioned second time 19 June 2005 ?
Mother of JVSD
Court allowed her to visit son, JVSD, on 19 June 2005
Teacher at International School
 
If you take out the security guards - Lorenzo is #5 on this list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


Boy, I dunno. It would be hard since I would think "Karma" bit them in the butt!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


Yes, Yes and kinda. Really had to think about this one....

if it includes Purcell - NO NO AND NO - he has the vaunted ALE to find his ass in a crack house or gutter. Could always look under JR's bed.

good question tho-


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


No, No, and NO


Yeah, I made the mistake of reading some of their BS about Tim Miller’s deep water search and it entered my mind that I would do nothing for any of these people and probably not their descendants either.  Those monsters would be strictly on their own if it were left to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 17, 2007, 08:09:29 PM
I found this on the dark side.  Do those people really think Beth was in charge of the ivestigation or is their stupidity showing?

GeorgiaMom Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:20 pm    

I think it should have been a simple case, but Beth chose to ignore and deny tips early on that could have resolved this case by now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Jet crashed in Brazil.


PLANE CARRYING AT LEAST 150 CRASHES INTO GAS STATION AFTER LANDING IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


SanI've been watching that closely. Horrible.
I am a bit nervous as my son has been flying around there a lot lately. He is in North East Brazil, but flies South often to give lectures, etc. Seems Sao Paulo is a "hub" of a lot of connecting flights.

Art let us know when you hear from your son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Jet crashed in Brazil.


PLANE CARRYING AT LEAST 150 CRASHES INTO GAS STATION AFTER LANDING IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


SanI've been watching that closely. Horrible.
I am a bit nervous as my son has been flying around there a lot lately. He is in North East Brazil, but flies South often to give lectures, etc. Seems Sao Paulo is a "hub" of a lot of connecting flights.

Art let us know when you hear from your son.


I will..however, I am hoping he is out in the field in which case I won't hear for a week or so. But..if he is in the field, he wasn't flying!
 I am soooo wanting to hear from him though. I did send off an email so I'll see.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:14:25 PM
Wow, my last post sounded like a lot of mumbo jumbo!!!! :shock:

Guess I'm just a tad nervous.
And of course, one can't get any NEWS here after 8 p. m. Grrrrr


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:16:59 PM
Not to change the subject But I am hooked on a show called CITY OF MEN. It's filmed in San Paolo .. I highly recommend it....I've been watching this show for a few years. I told Angie about it...A plane crash is nothing for these folks. Seriously it's not!

Based on the movie City of God.

It's on channel 165 here - this seems to be the Sundance Channel. It's a mind blower for those that want their mind blown.  :lol:

My new Nickname for Klaas could be Powergirl.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 08:18:37 PM
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 17, 2007, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

For me, it would depend :
What's the reward ? $1,000.00
$ 4,000.00
US, CDN ?
I would want to start the seach fund. Then I would collect the money and drink lots. I would give everyone I met money and free drinks. While I waited at Carlos and Charlies every night for them to walk in the door.
Then,  I would go to some other countries and do the same thing, just in case they ran away there. No worries, man, they will show up ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:23:16 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?


because Checkme and Babalú grabbed Simians attention with a couple of nice snags. Those two and Drax.

atleast I think this is right.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 08:24:27 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Wow, my last post sounded like a lot of mumbo jumbo!!!! :shock:

Guess I'm just a tad nervous.
And of course, one can't get any NEWS here after 8 p. m. Grrrrr

Art ~ thinking of you.  Please let us know when you hear from him...and you will.  It's just that waiting that stokes the anxiety and concern.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2007, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


No, No, and NO


Yeah, I made the mistake of reading some of their BS about Tim Miller’s deep water search and it entered my mind that I would do nothing for any of these people and probably not their descendants either.  Those monsters would be strictly on their own if it were left to me.


I agree.....-0-, nuttin', period. End of story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 08:26:18 PM
Checkme started posting very innocently on the front page of SM under a different nickname.  When Checkme saw the Shango/Simian posts, that's when they changed their nickname to Checkme and started trying to talk riddles.  Checkme may have just been someone playing games.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?


because Checkme and Babalú grabbed Simians attention with a couple of nice snags. Those two and Drax.

atleast I think this is right.


What do you mean by that>? Also I saw you were involved early here and you indicated that there was a 6:30AM call from the santa cruz back to the VDS house..Is that correct??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:30:32 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Wow, my last post sounded like a lot of mumbo jumbo!!!! :shock:

Guess I'm just a tad nervous.
And of course, one can't get any NEWS here after 8 p. m. Grrrrr

Art ~ thinking of you.  Please let us know when you hear from him...and you will.  It's just that waiting that stokes the anxiety and concern.


So true.
I tried calling but no answer. BUT he lives on the beach and could be out there...or..he could be on a dig in the field, he could be on a lecture trip, HE COULD BE ANYWHERE!!!!!
That's what is nerve wracking!

And, yes, I let you know when I hear from him. Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Checkme started posting very innocently on the front page of SM under a different nickname.  When Checkme saw the Shango/Simian posts, that's when they changed their nickname to Checkme and started trying to talk riddles.  Checkme may have just been someone playing games.


Wherever the Info came from it is absolutely correct. Lorenzo was questioned on the 28th,he has a blue van and huuge speakers..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

For me, it would depend :
What's the reward ? $1,000.00
$ 4,000.00
US, CDN ?
I would want to start the seach fund. Then I would collect the money and drink lots. I would give everyone I met money and free drinks. While I waited at Carlos and Charlies every night for them to walk in the door.
Then,  I would go to some other countries and do the same thing, just in case they ran away there. No worries, man, they will show up ! !


I hear ya!  If their child was missing, I would first want to know how many times they had been married, their educational credentials, their choice of nicknames and then maybe I would consider their child a human being, deserving of my time and effort.  Of course if their child had been out dancing, then all bets are off…..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Wow, my last post sounded like a lot of mumbo jumbo!!!! :shock:

Guess I'm just a tad nervous.
And of course, one can't get any NEWS here after 8 p. m. Grrrrr

Art ~ thinking of you.  Please let us know when you hear from him...and you will.  It's just that waiting that stokes the anxiety and concern.


So true.
I tried calling but no answer. BUT he lives on the beach and could be out there...or..he could be on a dig in the field, he could be on a lecture trip, HE COULD BE ANYWHERE!!!!!
That's what is nerve wracking!

And, yes, I let you know when I hear from him. Thanks!


Um..I meant to say his home is on the beach! He doesn't LIVE on the beach, roflmao! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 17, 2007, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?



*******,
You have said you think Lorenzo was questioned more than once but  I have never seen any statements dated other than the first one, I think 6/16.

If he was questioned more, wouldn't Dr Phil want those statements as well?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo so how do we know others even exist?  I believe you posted dates a few days ago when you suspect additional statements were made.

Dr Phil has to be working from some sort of police list, I think, otherwise he wouldn't know of the existence and dates of statements, right?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo is why I think there is only one.



TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 08:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

For me, it would depend :
What's the reward ? $1,000.00
$ 4,000.00
US, CDN ?
I would want to start the seach fund. Then I would collect the money and drink lots. I would give everyone I met money and free drinks. While I waited at Carlos and Charlies every night for them to walk in the door.
Then,  I would go to some other countries and do the same thing, just in case they ran away there. No worries, man, they will show up ! !


I hear ya!  If their child was missing, I would first want to know how many times they had been married, their educational credentials, their choice of nicknames and then maybe I would consider their child a human being, deserving of my time and effort.  Of course if their child had been out dancing, then all bets are off…..


But, don't forget the important bowl of cereal you MUST have before you begin to even talk to them! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 17, 2007, 08:35:00 PM
Easy sidetracked me . I peeped in here from work and saw a Peeping Squirrel riding a bicycle who has had some great news. !!


I am very happy for Terry .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 08:35:10 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 17, 2007, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

Good question Easy - my answer is NO.  These people are so full of evil and hate that if any of them 'disappeared', it would be cause for celebration.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?


because Checkme and Babalú grabbed Simians attention with a couple of nice snags. Those two and Drax.

atleast I think this is right.


What do you mean by that>? Also I saw you were involved early here and you indicated that there was a 6:30AM call from the santa cruz back to the VDS house..Is that correct??


some of us moved to the forum when it was created on 6-13-2005... and some stayed on the FP. The above stuff happened on the FP and we had no one near Klaas' capabilities back then as the MOD.

I believe that call exists. Not sure where the end point is *******, but it seems to have come from that end of the island and is and has been a major point with Hammer if I am correct.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?



*******,
You have said you think Lorenzo was questioned more than once but  I have never seen any statements dated other than the first one, I think 6/16.

If he was questioned more, wouldn't Dr Phil want those statements as well?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo so how do we know others even exist?  I believe you posted dates a few days ago when you suspect additional statements were made.

Dr Phil has to be working from some sort of police list, I think, otherwise he wouldn't know of the existence and dates of statements, right?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo is why I think there is only one.



TIA


Thats part of the reason why I was compiling old posts from locals in june 2005. Yes I definetly think he was picked up on the 16th as reported by the radio,newspapers(Havent seen) and locals on the blogs. The only record we have ever seen of him being questioned is the 28th of june. Which was predicted a day earlier by the above post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

Good question Easy - my answer is NO.  These people are so full of evil and hate that if any of them 'disappeared', it would be cause for celebration.


I look at as this.. maybe no one ever really cared about them or they had or have no one to care about... and I mean that in a true sense. But you can't change hearts if you are not willing to try...

call me a mis-guided soul.. I guess.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 17, 2007, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?



*******,
You have said you think Lorenzo was questioned more than once but  I have never seen any statements dated other than the first one, I think 6/16.

If he was questioned more, wouldn't Dr Phil want those statements as well?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo so how do we know others even exist?  I believe you posted dates a few days ago when you suspect additional statements were made.

Dr Phil has to be working from some sort of police list, I think, otherwise he wouldn't know of the existence and dates of statements, right?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo is why I think there is only one.



TIA


Thats part of the reason why I was compiling old posts from locals in june 2005. Yes I definetly think he was picked up on the 16th as reported by the radio,newspapers(Havent seen) and locals on the blogs. The only record we have ever seen of him being questioned is the 28th of june. Which was predicted a day earlier by the above post.


I have never seen any record of Lorenzo being questioned a second time.  How do you know that he was?  And I also recall CheckMe as being a troll.  Babalu only says he THINKS that it is Lorenzo who might be brought in.  I thought it was Freddy again.

Dr Phil only asks for one statement made by Lorenzo.  Doesn't he ask for all of them made by others or is he only interested in certain ones?  I can't think why he would not want all of the ones made by Lorenzo if any more exist.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.


Interesting dilema, and I have to say that I would help search .... but I would probably grumble the whole time... (would we be told in advance that they are refugees?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 08:50:58 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 08:51:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
Can someone post a link to that ALE spreadsheet that shows who was interviewed and when (can't seem to find it)?


You mean this one?  It's in the important case document area at the top in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil thread:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls


Thanks Klaas, thats what I was looking for!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 08:51:39 PM
"Outside The Box"  What does that really mean?  Is it that a person is abnormal and always wants to blame the victim?  That they are so "outside the box" that they like to plan weddings with death row inmates?  Just what is this outside the box chit?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

For me, it would depend :
What's the reward ? $1,000.00
$ 4,000.00
US, CDN ?
I would want to start the seach fund. Then I would collect the money and drink lots. I would give everyone I met money and free drinks. While I waited at Carlos and Charlies every night for them to walk in the door.
Then,  I would go to some other countries and do the same thing, just in case they ran away there. No worries, man, they will show up ! !


That is funny!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

Comment by Babalú | June 27, 2005, 12:00 am

Who is this checkme guy? How did thy know that Lorenzo would be brought in again for questioning?



*******,
You have said you think Lorenzo was questioned more than once but  I have never seen any statements dated other than the first one, I think 6/16.

If he was questioned more, wouldn't Dr Phil want those statements as well?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo so how do we know others even exist?  I believe you posted dates a few days ago when you suspect additional statements were made.

Dr Phil has to be working from some sort of police list, I think, otherwise he wouldn't know of the existence and dates of statements, right?  He only asks for the one from Lorenzo is why I think there is only one.



TIA


Thats part of the reason why I was compiling old posts from locals in june 2005. Yes I definetly think he was picked up on the 16th as reported by the radio,newspapers(Havent seen) and locals on the blogs. The only record we have ever seen of him being questioned is the 28th of june. Which was predicted a day earlier by the above post.


I have never seen any record of Lorenzo being questioned a second time.  How do you know that he was?  And I also recall CheckMe as being a troll.  Babalu only says he THINKS that it is Lorenzo who might be brought in.  I thought it was Freddy again.

Dr Phil only asks for one statement made by Lorenzo.  Doesn't he ask for all of them made by others or is he only interested in certain ones?  I can't think why he would not want all of the ones made by Lorenzo if any more exist.

.

.


Well I guess he was picked up in Savaneta on June 16th 2005 but there is nothing on record. Who knows?? It wouldn't be the first time a statement has gone missing. Maybee Dr.Phil can only get access to files that pertain to K2 I dont know....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 08:56:35 PM
I think there are a whole lot of people that have like to think "outside the box."  John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, BTK........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 08:57:13 PM
Does anyone know the date of the photo where Lorenzo appears in handcuffs with his mother and Art Wood confirms?

That could help determine if he was questioned more than once. I believe he was...

I think he was questioned on 6-16-17-2005 and 6-19-2005...

World Journier seems to be missing this or I missed it... prolly the later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 08:59:16 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I think there are a whole lot of people that have like to think "outside the box."  John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, BTK........


Someone told me this morning that they weren't going to read at some bad sites anymore. Hmmm......let me think. Who was that?  :P  :lol:

It's sort of like watching a train wreck, isn't it? Horrible but fascinating.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:01:40 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
"Outside The Box"  What does that really mean?  Is it that a person is abnormal and always wants to blame the victim?  That they are so "outside the box" that they like to plan weddings with death row inmates?  Just what is this outside the box chit?


why so metaphysical? you're not seeing dead people are ya?  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:02:40 PM
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PLEASE HELP ME ORGANIZE THIS SUMMARY OF THE TIME LINE AND THE FACTS

May 30

Dressed in the same blue-and-green striped, low-cut blouse and denim miniskirt she wore that day on the beach

Spent that evening partying at C & C

She left just 10 minutes before 1 A.M. source Jose Hernadez employee at C& C

Friends saw here getting into a vehicle outside the nightclub. source friends

June 2
Police question 3 locals who claim they dropped the teenager of late sunday night at her hotel , locals where released . source police.

Officials say Natalees parent where unable to indentify her on the hotels video tapes.

said the men told police they took Holloway to nearby Arashi Beach before bringing her to her hotel at 2 a.m., authorities said


June 4
We need more technical assistance source justice press officer karen jansen

10 additional FBI agents are added to the three already there.
Seven FBI agents from Miami are in Aruba, including two divers and evidence collection and analysis experts, and one agent has come from Barbados, the spokesman said.


June 5
Natalee's bags were packed and ready to go," Beth Twitty told CNN Friday. "Everything was packed. Her passport was in her purse -- she even had the remaining cash she had on her in her purse -- it was in her room, everything was zipped up. She was ready to go home." source Beth Twitty

She is described as being 5 feet 4 inches tall and 110 pounds

Bloodstains found on matras on the island appear to be of a dog source police schief van straten

June 6
Two man charged in the holloway dissapearance security guards .
The men -- ages 28 and 30 -- were arrested Sunday morning at two separate homes in the southeastern community of San Nicolas, Worked at hotel Allegro in Oranje stad.
Micky John, 30
Abraham Jones, 28


We're going to bring Natalee home," said her aunt, wearing a brightly colored yard bracelet made by Holloway's friends as a sign of support. Some of the bracelets are being shipped to Aruba for volunteers and authorities there to wear, she said.
still talking in prensent about natalee .

June 7
An aunt of Holloway, Marcia Twitty, said the girl's mother -- though on "an emotional roller coaster" -- is staying upbeat: "I know Natalee is alive and I'm going to find her," she quoted her saying. Natalee is still in the present tence.

June 8
Prosecutors on Tuesday ordered the two men to remain detained, saying there was "reasonable suspicion" the men were involved in "certain criminal acts."
Her stepfather, George "Jug" Twitty, said the family remains hopeful Holloway -- a straight-A student who earned a full scholarship to attend the University of Alabama -- is still alive.

June 9
Joran Van Der Sloot -- the 17-year-old son of an Aruban judge -- was among those taken into custody early Thursday. Authorities also arrested two brothers of Surinamese origin, Satish and Depak Kalpoe, ages 18 and 19.

Authorities said their witness statements did not lead to the three arrests, but that police had been watching the youths ever since they were questioned shortly after Holloway's disappearance.
Calling the arrests a "tactical" move

Substance found in Honda Civic of Kalpoe brothers

June 10
Late Friday, a senior police official told CNN that one of the three youths police took into custody Thursday had confessed to killing Holloway.

June 11
Three suspects remain in custody.

Judge Bob Witte Flown in From Curacao

Defense attorneys have come to the defense of the young men, saying they have maintained their innocence
"My client keeps on saying he is not guilty," said attorney David Kock, who represents 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe source lawer David Kock.
Antonio Carlo represents Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge. Carlo said the teen "has admitted to no crime whatsoever. My client has maintained that he is innocent." Antonio carlo

He said Van Der Sloot had been in contact with his mother and was assisting in the investigation. Both attorneys refused to comment on details of the investigation. Antonio Carlo

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse on the northwestern tip of the island, which is about 19 miles long and 6 miles wide.

According to police statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol, and that a "dark-colored" man in a black T-shirt with a radio helped her.

Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.
"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN

June 12
A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.

Prosecutors refused to confirm or deny reports of a confession

Law enforcement sources close to the investigation said there has not been a confession, but that cracks are appearing in the three suspects' stories.

Spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezen said only that the investigation was at a "very crucial" point.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told The Associated Press Sunday that she believes three young men "know what happened to her" -- and that the two security guards should be released.

law enforcement sources close to the investigation said a substance found in a Honda seized after three of the men were arrested Thursday is not blood.

JUNE 13th
Authorities in Aruba have released two security guards arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teen late last month.

JUNE 15th
search near an Aruba beachfront hotel
A source close to the probe said search participants included five FBI agents and a search dog from Miami-Dade County, Florida, in addition to
Aruban police

"The boys continue to point fingers at each other," the source said, but their attorneys said their clients are innocent
Joran van Der sloots house searched seizin 2 cars and bags full of evidence

STATEMENT OF MICKEY JOHN.
MICKEY JOHN: He told me that -- I was talking to him Sunday -- and he told me that when they left Carlos'N Charlie's [nightclub], they went straight to the lighthouse. He -- Depak -- was driving. His brother was sitting in the car next to him. The missing girl was in the backseat behind Depak, and the other guy was in the backseat behind his brother, and they drove down to the California lighthouse. He didn't tell me what took place at the lighthouse

June 17th
Judge Bob Witt rules that paul van der sloot cannot see his son in jail

June 18th
Steve Croes Arrested DJ at party boat Tatoo

The boat docks about 300 meters, or about 1,000 feet, from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying

Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said Croes' arrest came after he was named by one of the three suspects being held.

June 19th
Judge paul van der sloot questioned at police buro

June 20th
Judge paul van der sloot questioned at police buro for second time
as a witness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Does anyone know the date of the photo where Lorenzo appears in handcuffs with his mother and Art Wood confirms?

That could help determine if he was questioned more than once. I believe he was...

I think he was questioned on 6-16-17-2005 and 6-19-2005...

World Journier seems to be missing this or I missed it... prolly the later.


And on the 28th..I have my suspicions that he was questioned even earlier like the first week..
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoWitnessStatement_small.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:04:10 PM
Those were the days, lol  :lol:

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Those us that have been here since the board first opened have seen this happen every couple days. Seems like some people get their kicks out of causing problems.

The troublemakers can be banned but they will only return under a different name. The best thing to do is ignore them, although difficult at times


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Those were the days, lol  :lol:

klaasend
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Those us that have been here since the board first opened have seen this happen every couple days. Seems like some people get their kicks out of causing problems.

The troublemakers can be banned but they will only return under a different name. The best thing to do is ignore them, although difficult at times

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:06:34 PM
I personally believe that someone spilled the beans on both Paulus and Lorenzo at the same time... that same very moment... only Lorenzo had an alibi .. Paulus was left on his own and was ARRESTED!

Someone has a big mouth and that person knows who was where when.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 17, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I think there are a whole lot of people that have like to think "outside the box."  John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, BTK........


Someone told me this morning that they weren't going to read at some bad sites anymore. Hmmm......let me think. Who was that?  :P  :lol:

It's sort of like watching a train wreck, isn't it? Horrible but fascinating.


Who SAID THAT?   :P

Yeah, I got curious about what was under that rock. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 17, 2007, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Those were the days, lol  :lol:

klaasend
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Those us that have been here since the board first opened have seen this happen every couple days. Seems like some people get their kicks out of causing problems.

The troublemakers can be banned but they will only return under a different name. The best thing to do is ignore them, although difficult at times


Klaas! I can't even imagine you as a Monkey Junkey! You're always the smart mod!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:08:48 PM
americaninaruba
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HEARD THAT: Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I personally believe that someone spilled the beans on both Paulus and Lorenzo at the same time... that same very moment... only Lorenzo had an alibi .. Paulus was left on his own and was ARRESTED!

Someone has a big mouth and that person knows who was where when.

Deepak


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 17, 2007, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
A philosophical question:  If a regular member of the dark side should become a missing person, would you help search for them?  Contribute funds to assist in a search?  Give a flying chit?

I honestly don’t think I could find that much compassion and I am a pretty easy going kind of guy.

For me, it would depend :
What's the reward ? $1,000.00
$ 4,000.00
US, CDN ?
I would want to start the seach fund. Then I would collect the money and drink lots. I would give everyone I met money and free drinks. While I waited at Carlos and Charlies every night for them to walk in the door.
Then,  I would go to some other countries and do the same thing, just in case they ran away there. No worries, man, they will show up ! !


I hear ya!  If their child was missing, I would first want to know how many times they had been married, their educational credentials, their choice of nicknames and then maybe I would consider their child a human being, deserving of my time and effort.  Of course if their child had been out dancing, then all bets are off…..

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 17, 2007, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Does anyone know the date of the photo where Lorenzo appears in handcuffs with his mother and Art Wood confirms?

That could help determine if he was questioned more than once. I believe he was...

I think he was questioned on 6-16-17-2005 and 6-19-2005...

World Journier seems to be missing this or I missed it... prolly the later.


And on the 28th..I have my suspicions that he was questioned even earlier like the first week..
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoWitnessStatement_small.jpg)



But this is the only one on record, right?  The only one requested by Dr Phil?

One witness was not a witness.  My thought is that this would be Lorenzo.

JMO, however, as always.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
And so it begins  :evil:

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Well, that newspaper editor (I think) Julia ? is on Fox right now - saying the police were watching the 3 main suspects all those days before they were arrested.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:13:28 PM
I know that we can only believe part of these old posts but it is proven that some of these are facts. I wonder if this is true about Lorenzo having a history of killing Dogs? We know that Joran had also killed his own dog and we know of the mattress soaked with dogs blood. We saw the massive search led by the Dutch Marines following that find.

Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:16:28 PM
Walking down memory lane, it just occurred to me that we all thought Klaasend was a male in the beginning...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 17, 2007, 09:17:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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HEARD THAT: Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


Door number one - He's guilty!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Does anyone know the date of the photo where Lorenzo appears in handcuffs with his mother and Art Wood confirms?

That could help determine if he was questioned more than once. I believe he was...

I think he was questioned on 6-16-17-2005 and 6-19-2005...

World Journier seems to be missing this or I missed it... prolly the later.


And on the 28th..I have my suspicions that he was questioned even earlier like the first week..
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoWitnessStatement_small.jpg)



But this is the only one on record, right?  The only one requested by Dr Phil?

One witness was not a witness.  My thought is that this would be Lorenzo.

JMO, however, as always.

.


It's the only one we have seen official records on... We havent seen phone records either but we know they exist. I am not sure why you argue so much about Lorenzo and I dont care. We all have our own opinions and I have done enough research for me to believe he was questioned several times.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:18:13 PM
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Detenido den caso Holloway lo a trata di
pone fin na su bida
ORANJESTAD—Un di e detenidonan den e caso di Natalee Holloway, lo a trata di
*one ofthe persons detained in the NH case have tried
pone fin na su bida. Esaki segun informe cu Bon Dia Aruba ta dispone di dje. E hoben lo
*to put and end to there life. This is based upon informatino that Bon Dia (thsi newspaper) has coem to understand

ta den un estado emocional hopi deprimi debi na e presion cu tin riba dje, y autoridadnan
*that he is in a very depressive state due to the pressure there is onhim

awor tin’e na bista, pa mira cu e no tuma un paso drastico contra su mes.
No ta conoci si a busca sosten psicologico pa e detenido aki, specialmente awor cu tur lo
*now they ahve him under watch so that he doesnt take any drastic measures against himslef.we dotnknow if there was a need for psycological help was given to the detainee especialy now that

mester keda traslada pa KIA.
* he has to be transfered to rpison (KIA)
Bon Dia Aruba lo sigui e caso aki di serca


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 09:20:14 PM
I would help search as long as somebody brought an A/C.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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HEARD THAT: Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison

Saturday, June 18, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — One of the three suspects being held in Aruba for the disappearance of an Alabama teen vacationing there has been moved from a jail to a prison, while the other two are expected to be transported today, two sources confirmed with FOX News.

A judge ruled last night that Deepak Kalpoe, who was moved to a prison last night, Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot can be held for eight more days while the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance continues.

Authorities on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing honors student, officials said.

On 6-20 the "Scared Monkeys” blog reported, “This is unconfirmed, but we received word that Joran is on a Suicide Watch after an unsuccessful attempted suicide last night. This should not be taken as an admission of guilt, but he has been moved to the main prison, a much tougher environment than the Police jail.”


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Walking down memory lane, it just occurred to me that we all thought Klaasend was a male in the beginning...


Oh, that's right!!! I had forgotten that! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Walking down memory lane, it just occurred to me that we all thought Klaasend was a male in the beginning...


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:22:46 PM
Regarding the attempted suicide by one of the suspects.

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Ok, so WHAT IF?

1. This is much bigger than a drug overdose/rape gone bad.
2. That the thought of being released is as terrifying as being imprisoned.
3. That either way you would not survive so might as well end it now.
4. Maybe that decapitation WAS a warning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Anna on July 17, 2007, 09:22:55 PM
Work to finish before the Bunkey!

Goodnight, all!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I personally believe that someone spilled the beans on both Paulus and Lorenzo at the same time... that same very moment... only Lorenzo had an alibi .. Paulus was left on his own and was ARRESTED!

Someone has a big mouth and that person knows who was where when.

Deepak


yep... he tried to come clean and all is dark.  They shut him up real fast. Surprised he's not in a fish trap yet...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Regarding the attempted suicide by one of the suspects.

klaasend
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Ok, so WHAT IF?

1. This is much bigger than a drug overdose/rape gone bad.
2. That the thought of being released is as terrifying as being imprisoned.
3. That either way you would not survive so might as well end it now.
4. Maybe that decapitation WAS a warning.


I've always felt that the decapitation was a warning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Work to finish before the Bunkey!

Goodnight, all!

.


Good night ANNA!!!  Dang you leave just as I finally get caught up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I personally believe that someone spilled the beans on both Paulus and Lorenzo at the same time... that same very moment... only Lorenzo had an alibi .. Paulus was left on his own and was ARRESTED!

Someone has a big mouth and that person knows who was where when.

Deepak


yep... he tried to come clean and all is dark.  They shut him up real fast. Surprised he's not in a fish trap yet...

I don't think now is the time to put Deepak in his tuna can.  Give it time and he will be gone.  He is the one who named names (Freddy, Paulus, Sander, Koen).  I'm trying to figure out why he didn't name Guido but then again we haven't seen all the statements.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I personally believe that someone spilled the beans on both Paulus and Lorenzo at the same time... that same very moment... only Lorenzo had an alibi .. Paulus was left on his own and was ARRESTED!

Someone has a big mouth and that person knows who was where when.

Deepak


yep... he tried to come clean and all is dark.  They shut him up real fast. Surprised he's not in a fish trap yet...


Not a damn thing he can do about it either..When they asked Deepak why Joran said he raped and killed Natalee..His response was you would have to ask Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:26:33 PM
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:27:09 PM
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 09:27:35 PM
Anna

I did not see, in the Dr. Phil filings, requests for specific documents.  I saw broad discovery requests.  The list of statements was made by the Kalpos in response to the extensive discovery request.  There could be more specific document requests, by date or name, but I do not see that in the court filings.

I believe, Anita and Paulus were questioned earlier.  Their statements were either not released, or Joran's case file is larger than Kalpos or some statements did not address Kalpo issues and are not in their file.

I am hoping the prosecutor has some things that noone has seen or not given to their attorneys.

*******

From early timelines and aruban chatters, I remember Lorenzo being called in ~6/17/2005.  Maxamito Arentz (?) was also questioned.  At the time, Max Arends' (the one from ISA, now in school in FL) sister was posting (maybe at the Amy Kappel site??). She was oh my God, that's my brother, I have to go.  Seems the early reports were that her brother was brought in, when in reality (if there is such a thing on that island), it was the older Arendz.  The early timelines show both people being questioned.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Work to finish before the Bunkey!

Goodnight, all!

.

Goodnight Anna.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:28:17 PM
iquitos



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: translation (took a half hour?)    

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Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student natalee holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and adjust their stories with eachother. According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “they will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that." According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem. Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is supected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to (doodslag) or intentional denial freedom (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is dj on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:28:36 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.



I DO TOO>>>>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:29:41 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm



but prison was so tough... he was reading and sticking his fingers in his ears and singing....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 17, 2007, 09:32:40 PM
Accessory to Doodslag????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.


ART- I'm wondering if someone tried to kill the dutchbag while in prison???

That solves the case and closes it for good. Keeps the island safe (yeah right) and gets all the others off.????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.


ART- I'm wondering if someone tried to kill the dutchbag while in prison???

That solves the case and closes it for good. Keeps the island safe (yeah right) and gets all the others off.????


Never thought of that. ITs entirely possible, Rob. Seems more in keeping with their habit of Arubacide, doesn't it?
To tell the truth, I am surprised someone HASN"T "offed" him yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm



but prison was so tough... he was reading and sticking his fingers in his ears and singing....


LOL!! Mrs.Red..Dont forget he was puffin the magic dragon at KIA also..
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/peakingthrublindscartooncute-1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:37:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.



there would be no not even for a half of second  a thought by Joran to kill himself.... not even a little bit... he believes that everyone exists to serve him.... in what ever way he deems that they should...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 17, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: "Rob"


Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison

Saturday, June 18, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — One of the three suspects being held in Aruba for the disappearance of an Alabama teen vacationing there has been moved from a jail to a prison, while the other two are expected to be transported today, two sources confirmed with FOX News.

A judge ruled last night that Deepak Kalpoe, who was moved to a prison last night, Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot can be held for eight more days while the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance continues.

Authorities on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing honors student, officials said.

On 6-20 the "Scared Monkeys” blog reported, “This is unconfirmed, but we received word that Joran is on a Suicide Watch after an unsuccessful attempted suicide last night. This should not be taken as an admission of guilt, but he has been moved to the main prison, a much tougher environment than the Police jail.”



This should not be taken as an admission of guilt, but he has been moved to the main prison, a much tougher environment than the Police jail.”


Lights out at 10:00 pm, no exceptions!!!

Yeah right, like anything they do is tough.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.



there would be no not even for a half of second  a thought by Joran to kill himself.... not even a little bit... he believes that everyone exists to serve him.... in what ever way he deems that they should...


Oh Yes. The "little" Prince! The "delicious" sporter.
BARF! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


San as I recall it was only Satish at KIA at the time. Deepak and Joran were being moved. And the person was taken to the hospital.

They are clear - the person that tried to commit suicide was at KIA... only Satish was there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 17, 2007, 09:40:22 PM
IMO regarding Joran's suicide attempt

1) guilty and knows his freedom is done--it's either
jail or mental institution

2) only threatened to commit suicide


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:41:49 PM
Wow, Rob,  I didn't realize they took him to the hospital!
Aw, poor baby. Wasn't it Satish that also was seeing "ghosts" or something in the jail?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!
In my opinion they are both simple minded.  After hearing Deepak on that tape and I only listened to a little of it I wonder if he ever graduated high school.  They could be dumb in school but when it comes to being a criminal they both excel.

I don't even know if Satish graduated high school yet :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Wow, Rob,  I didn't realize they took him to the hospital!
Aw, poor baby. Wasn't it Satish that also was seeing "ghosts" or something in the jail?


Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Satish goes stark raving mad one of these days.
He isn't strong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 17, 2007, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


San as I recall it was only Satish at KIA at the time. Deepak and Joran were being moved. And the person was taken to the hospital.

They are clear - the person that tried to commit suicide was at KIA... only Satish was there.


Thanks for that info.
Satish does seem more likely.

I would never think that Joran actually had a moment of his conscience bothering him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 09:44:05 PM
OMG I just thought of something... Joran DID NOT try to commit suicide, but KNEW who did.

Polis van tapes - and you see ghosts

it was Satish and JORAN KNEW... someone tried to kill Satish. No wonder we haven't heard a word from him since.

He was gonna take the fall.. Deepak knows this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!
In my opinion they are both simple minded.  After hearing Deepak on that tape and I only listened to a little of it I wonder if he ever graduated high school.  They could be dumb in school but when it comes to being a criminal they both excel.

I don't even know if Satish graduated high school yet :lol:


Oh yes, Satish. The doctor. Yep. Of course, he'll be 35 before they can get him out of high school. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.


Tibro is away for a few days visiting her inlaws. She'll be back before too long.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.



there would be no not even for a half of second  a thought by Joran to kill himself.... not even a little bit... he believes that everyone exists to serve him.... in what ever way he deems that they should...


Good Evening Monks!!  LOL...no way did the sporter try to commit suicide....IMO......that's more baloney!!

Peaches I am so sorry to hear your are once again going to have to fight this DEVIL disease.....know that our prayers are with you every step of the way...

got the great news email about Terry......WOOHOO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
I dont think Satish is as simple minded as he is made out to be. I think he is just not as outgoing as the others and probably not as involved as everyone else in Natalee's dissapearance.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/108992494P7650347691.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 09:46:21 PM
i can never remember  the details concerning what each K2 brother
is refereneced to...


i just cant,,
maybe because i hate them both so much

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


San as I recall it was only Satish at KIA at the time. Deepak and Joran were being moved. And the person was taken to the hospital.

They are clear - the person that tried to commit suicide was at KIA... only Satish was there.

Right I noticed that in a post some just posted that one was in KIA and two were still at the police station and we being transferred the next day.

They separated Satish from his big brother and he cracked.  I bet he told a lot more of what he knew once they did that and he couldn't deal with it anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.


Tibro is away for a few days visiting her inlaws. She'll be back before too long.  :D


Oh good. I enjoy her! A lovely person!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 17, 2007, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "JuJu"
I don't mean to be stupid, but what is a Moko?


In Aruba, it usually refers to a former limestone quarry that has turned into a watery refuse pit. There is a sizable one about a 5 min walk from the Sloot home and it is a place joran reportedly disposed of a dog.


How deep or these quarrys?  Is this where they tried to search and their was a lot of protestors that wouldn't let them, or made it to difficult for them to search there, and they abandoned their efforts?  I can't remember the reason for the protestors????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.


Tibro is away for a few days visiting her inlaws. She'll be back before too long.  :D


Oh good. I enjoy her! A lovely person!


I do too! We've been IMing and emailing, and she's very good company.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i can never remember  the details concerning what each K2 brother
is refereneced to...


i just cant,,
maybe because i hate them both so much

 8)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 17, 2007, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: "San"


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!
In my opinion they are both simple minded.  After hearing Deepak on that tape and I only listened to a little of it I wonder if he ever graduated high school.  They could be dumb in school but when it comes to being a criminal they both excel.

I don't even know if Satish graduated high school yet :lol:[/quote]


If they won the lawsuit against Dr. Phil on their future earnings they'd owe him money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Has Tibro been around lately? I am missing her!

And, of course, I miss Tylergal.


Tibro is away for a few days visiting her inlaws. She'll be back before too long.  :D


Oh good. I enjoy her! A lovely person!


I do too! We've been IMing and emailing, and she's very good company.  :D


I Love her sense of humour, too! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!
In my opinion they are both simple minded.  After hearing Deepak on that tape and I only listened to a little of it I wonder if he ever graduated high school.  They could be dumb in school but when it comes to being a criminal they both excel.

I don't even know if Satish graduated high school yet :lol:



If they won the lawsuit against Dr. Phil on their future earnings they'd owe him money.[/quote]

Roflmao! You're right! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"


SAn  Satish is the simple minded one, right? I sometimes get Deepak and Satish confused!
In my opinion they are both simple minded.  After hearing Deepak on that tape and I only listened to a little of it I wonder if he ever graduated high school.  They could be dumb in school but when it comes to being a criminal they both excel.

I don't even know if Satish graduated high school yet :lol:



If they won the lawsuit against Dr. Phil on their future earnings they'd owe him money.[/quote]


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 09:50:08 PM
DT



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
CaliGirl wrote:
I was reading Steve's arrest came after the police questioned two dutch brothers.

What you said about underground parties, since he is known to have them...maybe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers took her to an underground party and something happened there?


Steve is not the person with the undergound parties. That was a person named lorenzo who was questioned yesterday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 17, 2007, 09:52:58 PM
BBL
Hubby home..gonna fix him a snack! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DT



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
CaliGirl wrote:
I was reading Steve's arrest came after the police questioned two dutch brothers.

What you said about underground parties, since he is known to have them...maybe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers took her to an underground party and something happened there?


Steve is not the person with the undergound parties. That was a person named lorenzo who was questioned yesterday.


americaninaruba
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:49 am Post subject:


yestaerday was a detention of someone important with this investigation, and this morning a guy of 26 years was arrested thisd moring, we dont know why but it has relation to the case of NH
Edmond:today at 6 poelice picked up at adress at Cas ARiba a youngster of 26 years...but others say hes only 18...were not sure but w/ lst name Croes in relation to this case, we dont know his roll in this but its possibly for interogation,.,...yestserday ..no confirmation yet......that their were detention of 2 borhters , dutch, that were interogated yestrday..


Thats the second time today I have read they questioned two dutch brothers..The Gottenboes or Joran and Lorenzo? Steve was arrested the 17th and Lorenzo the 16th. So to me it looks like she is talking about Joran and Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 09:55:41 PM
hey Lala's and Sunny!!  

Oh yes I meant to say how wonderful the news is about Terry...

I am multitasking... trying to watch news and talk in here..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DT



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
CaliGirl wrote:
I was reading Steve's arrest came after the police questioned two dutch brothers.

What you said about underground parties, since he is known to have them...maybe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers took her to an underground party and something happened there?


Steve is not the person with the undergound parties. That was a person named lorenzo who was questioned yesterday.


americaninaruba
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Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:49 am Post subject:


yestaerday was a detention of someone important with this investigation, and this morning a guy of 26 years was arrested thisd moring, we dont know why but it has relation to the case of NH
Edmond:today at 6 poelice picked up at adress at Cas ARiba a youngster of 26 years...but others say hes only 18...were not sure but w/ lst name Croes in relation to this case, we dont know his roll in this but its possibly for interogation,.,...yestserday ..no confirmation yet......that their were detention of 2 borhters , dutch, that were interogated yestrday..


Thats the second time today I have read they questioned two dutch brothers..The Gottenboes or Joran and Lorenzo? Steve was arrested the 17th and Lorenzo the 16th. So to me it looks like she is talking about Joran and Lorenzo.

I have always thought Paulus was protecting two sons.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DT



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
CaliGirl wrote:
I was reading Steve's arrest came after the police questioned two dutch brothers.

What you said about underground parties, since he is known to have them...maybe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers took her to an underground party and something happened there?


Steve is not the person with the undergound parties. That was a person named lorenzo who was questioned yesterday.

Good find Lala's. Dutch brothers = Gottenbos.

The archives are like working on a puzzle...only now we can cheat! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 09:58:09 PM
writenow
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
nancy_drew wrote:
DT wrote:
SPSII wrote:
Does anyone know if Lorenzo has been released?


I believe so.


I've never found confirmation there was a "Lorenzo" brought in. I may have missed it.


Lorenzo came in for questioning last night and left. He's the one they said was a little odd. His father owned the VW dealership and committed suicide 3 years ago. AmericaninAruba told us all this this afternoon.
Steve Croes went in (or was taken in) for questioning this morning. Police apparently decided to keep Steve.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 09:58:59 PM
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We were only there for four days... the first day we were all jet-lagged and exhausted, so mainly we just put on our swim suits and laid out...
Snorkeling took up a whole day (but it was SOOOO great! We got to see a sunken German War Ship from WWII and heard stories about it... cool stuff!) Some people went banana boating and windsurfing.... I got a massage! haha.... Mainly we just hung out on the beach and went swimming. Our hotel was wonderful! (and all-inclusive!!!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 10:01:12 PM
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
if the brothers did indeed inform authorities about croes, i wonder what kind of pull croes had on them? well, even if they didn't inform, why has it taken so long for croes to come up? meaning, if they had nothing to hide, they would have no qualms about saying they met up with him, no?

i think croes is the ringleader here in a very sick premeditated plan...."something bad" happening doesn't necessarily mean unexpected.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Spock on July 17, 2007, 10:02:01 PM
Koen and Sander G were both interogated on the 17th and 18th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:02:45 PM
My PB posted for me.I would searched and kept my mouth shut.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
I want to clear up the talk about Beth/Jug not paying the 4K to get Nat back.....Renho and dark siders listen up.....


Jug and Beth were at Angela Munzenhofer's family restaurant, their friends had not  yet joined them....Angela's HUSBAND ran up to Jug saying there is a  person saying he knows where Natalee was....she was being held in a crack house and wanted 4K...Jug said he only had 1K on him and would go back to the hotel to get the rest of the money............Angela's husband  indicated there wasn't time for that....and said he'd front the 3K outta the cash register..(now Beth and Jug had been getting this kind of thing several times a day...but coming from this person...a person who had befriended them....well they believed it! and trusted him!!) ..Angela's husband rushed Jug and Beth to meet up with this guy .....when they got there..Angela's husband said this guy was a crack addict .......don't give him any money!! ....... it was ANGELA'S HUSBAND THAT SAID THE GUY WAS NOT CREDIBLE ...........DON'T GIVE HIM ANY MONEY!!!

this is EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED


It wasn't that they weren't willing to pay the money....ANY amount of money....And these people KNOW it..........Renho is once again lying. 2 years later and she is still lying......it's time to start getting these lies of her's corrected.. one by one....these people had an agenda....and they were working it...working it HARD. Playing on the emotions of these distraught parents...lifting them up and the pulling the rug right out from underneath them.....and THEY TRUSTED THESE PEOPLE.... How frightening to think your child is in a frigging crack house on some god forsaken island, where the damn LE tell's a father to go to C&C's and wait for his daughter to show up...Angela and Renho stuck to them like glue...Renho and Angela INSERTED THEMSELVES into everything involving Natalee and the searches....leading them this way and that way.....draining them emotionally as well as physically.....and all the while keeping them away from the van der sloots.....giving them time to get their stories and get rid of any evidence of Natalee...

 RENHO was the person dragging Beth and Jug around from one crack house to another...obviously keeping them away from where they really needed to be looking ..and that was the VanDersloot property. Remember Dave was told by the LE that Nat was probably in a crack house and he should go to C&C and wait for her to show up!
So Renho and Angela had an agenda very early on....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Koen and Sander G were both interogated on the 17th and 18th.


Which dutch brothers do you think they are talking about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 17, 2007, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
klaasend
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DONTGETEXCITED wrote:
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i totally agree
and i am not a troll
i can speak and say what i feel
i am just thinkin outside the box.
please people
if someone doesnt agree with everyone it doesnt make them a troll.



Angiex911dsptchr wrote:
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I agree with you..everyone is entitled to their own opinions..I am new..and have been reading this for weeks.I decided to join today finally....I have read all that I could ..not only on this site but others!! I have asked questions on here and got no answers either..!! I guess us newbie people dont matter cuz we wernt here from the beginning..thats IMO...!! I have read ALOT and feel like I know everyone...I wish I would of joined sooner..
God Bless NH family and friends...


I think what happened to you is that you joined this morning around the same time as DONTGETEXCITED and everyone was :lol:



 :shock:  so was i considered a troll back then?  lol i dont recall that poster 2 be honest. i did read this last night and laughed. i was actually on topic way back when. i cant type much now... hurting.. but saw this and had to LMAO.. so for my 1 finger post 4 the day.. i want 2 say. peaches. u hang in there.. you are one tough cookie and i admire your strength and courage, you are always in my prayers and you are going 2 b just fine! I luv yah my potty mouthed friend   :wink:  Terry. i am so happy 4 u.. but u already know that.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Rob"
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...

hmmmm


The only reason for Joran to try and commit suicide is if he had an attack of conscience. I doubt this happened and therefore doubt the whole suicide story. I think they made it up to try and generate sympathy for the little psycopath.

I agree Art.  The thought of suicide never crossed Joran's mind.  It was Satish that tried to commit suicide.


San as I recall it was only Satish at KIA at the time. Deepak and Joran were being moved. And the person was taken to the hospital.

They are clear - the person that tried to commit suicide was at KIA... only Satish was there.

Right I noticed that in a post some just posted that one was in KIA and two were still at the police station and we being transferred the next day.

They separated Satish from his big brother and he cracked.  I bet he told a lot more of what he knew once they did that and he couldn't deal with it anymore.


I can believe this...I am starting to think that it was Satish that was more involved than Deepak...and he knows more...and deepak is just covering for his brother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 10:06:03 PM
It took ALE a looong time to arrest Steve Croes. The Ks mentioned him on 6/9...his *testimony* was debunked on 6/10. Shady...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:07:04 PM
Amazing Sunny... Thanks for bringing that in here.  How horrible can these people be?  

There is a 7th level of hell for these people. truly the lowest level for the lowest people.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 17, 2007, 10:08:51 PM
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 10:10:25 PM
Woody



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Hey Guys,

Some speculation here about Croes being released. Watched fox a little while go and did not hear that.

Heard that Croes was arrested this morning. Also heard they did question another suspect this afternoon....yet they did release this suspect.

So...correct me if I'm wrong and you know differently...but in custody we have:

Joran
The Twins
Croes

Lorenzo was questioned and considered a witness.
Believe someone else today was also questioned and released.  



"One witness is no witness"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:10:30 PM
Croes,koen,sander are very much guilty,but I do believe that the murder was done by the sporter and Guido,they had the bruises and other marks.


Title: MRS RED Multitasking <g>
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 17, 2007, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey Lala's and Sunny!!  

Oh yes I meant to say how wonderful the news is about Terry...

I am multitasking... trying to watch news and talk in here..


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 Mrs RED  I'll just bet that you can do a whole lot more things then that when your called upon or motivated you seem to me to be a very strong Lady  and I think  Red is one lucky guy <g>.
            your friend from Ohio  Jerry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Amazing Sunny... Thanks for bringing that in here.  How horrible can these people be?  

There is a 7th level of hell for these people. truly the lowest level for the lowest people.


It took a while to get the information verified.....but this is the real story!!
It's time we started getting the truth out ...every time renfo lies...we need to get the truth out...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
It took ALE a looong time to arrest Steve Croes. The Ks mentioned him on 6/9...his *testimony* was debunked on 6/10. Shady...


Your right..Was he arrested for the false alibi or something else?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 10:11:55 PM
Sunny > thanks

I remember that story now, and how it has changed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:12:24 PM
There are nine levels to Hell,in Dante's book.i think they are making more for this group,including one with chiggers


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????


that's the question.....if and WHEN we got the answer to that question we will know the truth...but for every lie that's told there is a truth....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 10:13:22 PM
I agree, hooray Sunny !!!!!!!!!

I just wanted to post I spoke with Peaches and did tell her about how many wished her well and were praying for her. She's remarkable, she will be at work tomorrow and will likely read everyone's posts then, ok?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:13:25 PM
Unlock San,I want to be first


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:13:49 PM
ANGIE - no, you were never considered a troll...you just happened to join the forum on a particular bad day.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:13:57 PM
Thank YOU Jerry!!

David Munis the man who shot his wife while she was on stage has been taken to the hospital... .he was flown to the hospital   - he has a self inflicted gunshot wound to his chest...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
There are nine levels to Hell,in Dante's book.i think they are making more for this group,including one with chiggers


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That would be hell indeed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Amazing Sunny... Thanks for bringing that in here.  How horrible can these people be?  

There is a 7th level of hell for these people. truly the lowest level for the lowest people.


It took a while to get the information verified.....but this is the real story!!
It's time we started getting the truth out ...every time renfo lies...we need to get the truth out...


I agree... totally and completely.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:15:10 PM
Good,saves the tax payers a lot of time and money


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
There are nine levels to Hell,in Dante's book.i think they are making more for this group,including one with chiggers


Can you tell Dante was one of my favorites?  I thought it was 7 levels of hell ... but 9 works.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


I agree....in part Anita...but also her friend Dompig....who's son was eventually brought in and questioned....was he a part of this group of young sexual predators who drugged and raped young women??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
Maybe it was the Max Arends, younger.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Authorities in Aruba on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway (search), officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot (search ), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
[/b]


Maybe he was suppose to be #5?? after Croes

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 10:16:23 PM
Hey Everyone!!!

Hi Klaas!

I've been readng along here and as a newcomer, It's hard for me to
understand the presense of a party in the underground tunnel at
Lorenzo's along with what appears to be a crime scene at the rocks
area.  I still think that she was killed there and I think that she was
shot after being dropped off there by Deepak and Satish... and I
also believe that it was his father who picked him up at Mc D's at
4 am that morning.

Klaas... there were some new pictures posted of the rocks area
have they been removed or is my computer just slow?

The divorce went well and, hopefully, I'll be doing some traveling soon.
It's been a long seven years.  How have you been?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:16:30 PM
klaasend
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According to Aruba-Travelguide.com, they don't normally check ID's.

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?
"The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be "carded".
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/#legalage


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


repeating myself... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Unlock San,I want to be first

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey Everyone!!!

Hi Klaas!

I've been readng along here and as a newcomer, It's hard for me to
understand the presense of a party in the underground tunnel at
Lorenzo's along with what appears to be a crime scene at the rocks
area.  I still think that she was killed there and I think that she was
shot after being dropped off there by Deepak and Satish... and I
also believe that it was his father who picked him up at Mc D's at
4 am that morning.

Klaas... there were some new pictures posted of the rocks area
have they been removed or is my computer just slow?

The divorce went well and, hopefully, I'll be doing some traveling soon.
It's been a long seven years.  How have you been?


Hi, Patti. Welcome back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I agree, hooray Sunny !!!!!!!!!

I just wanted to post I spoke with Peaches and did tell her about how many wished her well and were praying for her. She's remarkable, she will be at work tomorrow and will likely read everyone's posts then, ok?


We all know in our hearts the lies....we just have to dig deep and get the truth and then post it for the WORLD to see......

Please tell Peaches how much she is loved......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


I agree....in part Anita...but also her friend Dompig....who's son was eventually brought in and questioned....was he a part of this group of young sexual predators who drugged and raped young women??


one of the ringleaders, IMO... hell, for all we know Dompig himself was part of the "elders"....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
I want to clear up the talk about Beth/Jug not paying the 4K to get Nat back.....Renho and dark siders listen up.....


Jug and Beth were at Angela Munzenhofer's family restaurant, their friends had not  yet joined them....Angela's HUSBAND ran up to Jug saying there is a  person saying he knows where Natalee was....she was being held in a crack house and wanted 4K...Jug said he only had 1K on him and would go back to the hotel to get the rest of the money............Angela's husband  indicated there wasn't time for that....and said he'd front the 3K outta the cash register..(now Beth and Jug had been getting this kind of thing several times a day...but coming from this person...a person who had befriended them....well they believed it! and trusted him!!) ..Angela's husband rushed Jug and Beth to meet up with this guy .....when they got there..Angela's husband said this guy was a crack addict .......don't give him any money!! ....... it was ANGELA'S HUSBAND THAT SAID THE GUY WAS NOT CREDIBLE ...........DON'T GIVE HIM ANY MONEY!!!

this is EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED


Who said that about Angelas husband?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Rob on July 17, 2007, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Thank YOU Jerry!!

David Munis the man who shot his wife while she was on stage has been taken to the hospital... .he was flown to the hospital   - he has a self inflicted gunshot wound to his chest...


I almost posted earlier that I thought he would kill himself in the outback.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 10:19:25 PM
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
That airline is a virtual reality game. I would love to know if it is some kind of cover--there are MSN and Yahoo groups reverenced on the website. Some how you get flight hours and move up in rank.

It is a virtual game--not the real thing.



Here's a little tidbit that may help answer the stuff about the guy that was into the airline thing we couldn't explain or understand his statements being in there so many different times, I forget his name, now.   The conversation is about Steve Croes being an airline pilot.  Actually it was someone else turns out, but the mention of the virtual reality game caught my attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Thank YOU Jerry!!

David Munis the man who shot his wife while she was on stage has been taken to the hospital... .he was flown to the hospital   - he has a self inflicted gunshot wound to his chest...


too bad he didn't get the job done with himself :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 17, 2007, 10:20:55 PM
Mrs Red, IMO, Anita took charge the moment Paulypuss told her what had happened. She wears the pants in that family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"


I can believe this...I am starting to think that it was Satish that was more involved than Deepak...and he knows more...and deepak is just covering for his brother.


I have a difficult time getting a hold on that...but who knows for sure....the spotlight was always on deepak as opposed to satish.....

hi good to see you!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Mrs Red, IMO, Anita took charge the moment Paulypuss told her what had happened. She wears the pants in that family.



You know, and I know that I probably shouldn't say this, but when I saw the rerun of the CSI episode about Natalee, and I thought how the mom in the show acted and compared it to how she was in NY... I thought.. OMG>.. she knows and she is the one that set the cover up in motion... JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
I want to clear up the talk about Beth/Jug not paying the 4K to get Nat back.....Renho and dark siders listen up.....


Jug and Beth were at Angela Munzenhofer's family restaurant, their friends had not  yet joined them....Angela's HUSBAND ran up to Jug saying there is a  person saying he knows where Natalee was....she was being held in a crack house and wanted 4K...Jug said he only had 1K on him and would go back to the hotel to get the rest of the money............Angela's husband  indicated there wasn't time for that....and said he'd front the 3K outta the cash register..(now Beth and Jug had been getting this kind of thing several times a day...but coming from this person...a person who had befriended them....well they believed it! and trusted him!!) ..Angela's husband rushed Jug and Beth to meet up with this guy .....when they got there..Angela's husband said this guy was a crack addict .......don't give him any money!! ....... it was ANGELA'S HUSBAND THAT SAID THE GUY WAS NOT CREDIBLE ...........DON'T GIVE HIM ANY MONEY!!!

this is EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED


Who said that about Angelas husband?


Someone that was THERE....I promise you that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:24:18 PM
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Breaking News

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


I agree....in part Anita...but also her friend Dompig....who's son was eventually brought in and questioned....was he a part of this group of young sexual predators who drugged and raped young women??


one of the ringleaders, IMO... hell, for all we know Dompig himself was part of the "elders"....


The WORST part in my opinion...is that these people are parents!!! Who watched bth and Jug and Dave go through HELL!!! How can you put aside being a parent...and all empathy for these people who lost a daughter...for your own gain? Renho just wants out!!! She sees aruba is a sinking ship...imho...and this was her ticket to a job at the Globe.....are the rumors correct she is bailing from Aruba, and coming back to the states for a job at the Globe...hope it pays well...she just sold her soul...imo...for that job!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

SunnyinTx:   :smt038  :smt038  :smt038  Great Post. It is past time to out Renho & her lies. Just who is/was she covering for????



My opinion was her very dear friend, Anita .... Anita was the true master of disguise, IMO.. and I didn't see it until they were in New York for the interview.  Notice the change in appearance and how she spoke to him on the phone... it was a very take charge, get this covered up and stay covered up IMO... very calculating woman..... she was protecting her husband and son...


repeating myself... :lol:


and well worth repeating :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Mrs Red, IMO, Anita took charge the moment Paulypuss told her what had happened. She wears the pants in that family.



You know, and I know that I probably shouldn't say this, but when I saw the rerun of the CSI episode about Natalee, and I thought how the mom in the show acted and compared it to how she was in NY... I thought.. OMG>.. she knows and she is the one that set the cover up in motion... JMO.



oh and adding.... she knew that pvds was uh, partaking.. she didn't care... as long as he wasn't caught.. and nothing bad happened... I am stuck on the phrase 20 times before...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"


I agree....in part Anita...but also her friend Dompig....who's son was eventually brought in and questioned....was he a part of this group of young sexual predators who drugged and raped young women??


one of the ringleaders, IMO... hell, for all we know Dompig himself was part of the "elders"....


I agree Mrs. Red....totally


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 17, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
ldstlou IMO anyone can be a birth mother (or father) but it takes a special person to be a parent. NOTHING I have seen from Renho classifies her as a parent. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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Breaking News

Cops: Sharpshooter Suspected in Wyoming Wife's Murder Taken to Hospital with a Self Inflicted Gunshot Wound


for once, I posted something before you did...  :lol:  :shock:

did I hear her say he was mentally distrubed?  uh, doh!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
writenow
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Y'alls Psychic Detective wrote:
Wait, was Steve Croes released?? I thought there was another person brought in today (besides Lorenzo) who was questioned and released.


There was another person today. Max Arends, a friend of Joran's who attended the same school. Questioned and released.

It seems there were so many arrested or detained and released between June 17 and June 18 that there is not a clear picture as to who was REALLY the 5th person, suspect witness, or whatever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Mrs Red, IMO, Anita took charge the moment Paulypuss told her what had happened. She wears the pants in that family.


Yap I agree....and I think she took over while she was still in holland


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

Breaking News

Cops: Sharpshooter Suspected in Wyoming Wife's Murder Taken to Hospital with a Self Inflicted Gunshot Wound


for once, I posted something before you did...  :lol:  :shock:

did I hear her say he was mentally distrubed?  uh, doh!


Oops - I had my nose burried in the archives and must have missed it  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I agree, hooray Sunny !!!!!!!!!

I just wanted to post I spoke with Peaches and did tell her about how many wished her well and were praying for her. She's remarkable, she will be at work tomorrow and will likely read everyone's posts then, ok?


We all know in our hearts the lies....we just have to dig deep and get the truth and then post it for the WORLD to see......

Please tell Peaches how much she is loved......


I did Sunny, I made sure I told her we were proud of her courage and that she has our love and support every inch of the way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey Everyone!!!

Hi Klaas!

I've been readng along here and as a newcomer, It's hard for me to
understand the presense of a party in the underground tunnel at
Lorenzo's along with what appears to be a crime scene at the rocks
area.  I still think that she was killed there and I think that she was
shot after being dropped off there by Deepak and Satish... and I
also believe that it was his father who picked him up at Mc D's at
4 am that morning.

Klaas... there were some new pictures posted of the rocks area
have they been removed or is my computer just slow?

The divorce went well and, hopefully, I'll be doing some traveling soon.
It's been a long seven years.  How have you been?


Hi, Patti. Welcome back!


Hi B.T.!!!!

Wouldn't it be nice to be floating around in an intertube right now!
How are you and the hubby doing, fine I hope.  The stuff I've been
reading  toinight is amazing.  You should all be called he Monkey
Sleuths, P.I.'s  Its good to see you again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 17, 2007, 10:29:31 PM
Quote from: ldstlou
Quote from: San
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: San
Quote from: Artcolley
Quote from: Rob
We all saw Joran's prison itinerary. That was NOT tuff. No reason to try to commit suicide unless some is trying to stick your left hand in your pocket...
  ********************************************
 ]Joran would never try a real suicide  because Sociopath's  will seldom harm themselves because they believe that they are above the rest of us and do not see the problem's  they create .
   And Boy O boy would I have loved to be in the cell next to Satish your correct  HE IS the Vulnerable one and I would have talked him into thinking that the Devil was coming for him that very night .[/size]
   Ol Jer can be when needed as much of an Agitator/Aggressor   as he can be a[/size] nice guy when help is truly warranted .  FROM JERRY FROM OHIO
*********************************************


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey Everyone!!!

Hi Klaas!

I've been readng along here and as a newcomer, It's hard for me to
understand the presense of a party in the underground tunnel at
Lorenzo's along with what appears to be a crime scene at the rocks
area.  I still think that she was killed there and I think that she was
shot after being dropped off there by Deepak and Satish... and I
also believe that it was his father who picked him up at Mc D's at
4 am that morning.

Klaas... there were some new pictures posted of the rocks area
have they been removed or is my computer just slow?

The divorce went well and, hopefully, I'll be doing some traveling soon.
It's been a long seven years.  How have you been?


Hi, Patti. Welcome back!


Hi B.T.!!!!

Wouldn't it be nice to be floating around in an intertube right now!
How are you and the hubby doing, fine I hope.  The stuff I've been
reading  toinight is amazing.  You should all be called he Monkey
Sleuths, P.I.'s  Its good to see you again.


We're doing very well, thanks Patti. And, yes, monkeys are amazing!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:30:16 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 659


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1867


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:30:47 PM
hey,you may be right,but hell has chiggers,it says so in Latin.S.King blamed the mother in the dead zone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "mrs. red"


one of the ringleaders, IMO... hell, for all we know Dompig himself was part of the "elders"....


The WORST part in my opinion...is that these people are parents!!! Who watched bth and Jug and Dave go through HELL!!! How can you put aside being a parent...and all empathy for these people who lost a daughter...for your own gain? Renho just wants out!!! She sees aruba is a sinking ship...imho...and this was her ticket to a job at the Globe.....are the rumors correct she is bailing from Aruba, and coming back to the states for a job at the Globe...hope it pays well...she just sold her soul...imo...for that job!!!


I really would call her a parent...more like a baby maker.....lots of $$$'s in child support....If that rumor is true she might find herself facing some Americans who aren't too fond of women that sell their souls...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
writenow
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Y'alls Psychic Detective wrote:
Wait, was Steve Croes released?? I thought there was another person brought in today (besides Lorenzo) who was questioned and released.


There was another person today. Max Arends, a friend of Joran's who attended the same school. Questioned and released.

It seems there were so many arrested or detained and released between June 17 and June 18 that there is not a clear picture as to who was REALLY the 5th person, suspect witness, or whatever.


This is done by design to confuse everyone.  Even today we are not sure who this 5th suspect is.

They did this because the 5th suspect is Paulus...JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 659


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1867


Title: Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

Breaking News

Cops: Sharpshooter Suspected in Wyoming Wife's Murder Taken to Hospital with a Self Inflicted Gunshot Wound


for once, I posted something before you did...  :lol:  :shock:

did I hear her say he was mentally distrubed?  uh, doh!


Oops - I had my nose burried in the archives and must have missed it  :wink:


I had to celebrate the first and only moment in time...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: