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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 09:52:38 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
hehe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
made it!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 17, 2007, 10:33:23 PM
Tiger I think you have picked up on robots habits   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:33:58 PM
Jerry from Ohio -

Take it easy on the ***********  what is happening is you are blowing the margins with a long string of ************'s.  I've been editing your posts and taking away some  :wink:

TIA  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:34:06 PM
Present.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:34:33 PM
I was lost!!

Noe...thank you ....Peaches is an amazing woman....and Terry...WOW....what great courage both of the monkeys have!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 17, 2007, 10:34:44 PM
Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams to everyone.  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:35:59 PM
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I don't think there's enough space in the "internets" for all her lies  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:37:00 PM
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams to everyone.  :smooch


Good Night BT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:38:20 PM
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I don't think there's enough space in the "internets" for all her lies  :lol:


well we can at least get a few of them clarned up......

also questions?  how did Charles Croes happen to meet Beth and Jug when they arrived in Aruba?  I think I have the answer but stll ahve to have it verified...as soon as I do I will post it......He knows what they did to Natalee......IMO...who is he covering for ...other than his own holdings on Aruba...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams to everyone.  :smooch


Nite, B.T. Girl.... Stay Happy!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 10:40:30 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:



im not sure the SERVER could handle  5000 Pages of LIES

but we could get a good chunk started

 8)  :smt033


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:41:17 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...


I think you have the first four right.....I am not sure about pvds though....I am thinking the idiot that was the first spokes MAN...and for the life of me I can't remember his name.....eventally went to work for the airport


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:26 pm    

M***R wrote:
Quote:
Perhaps they take it seriously because I remember reading some tidbit here at RU that suggested Jossy made Julia an employment offer and she turned him down. Something like 'Jossy needs Julia' - shocking at the time.  


I wonder where that fantasy story came from?? Julia and Jossy never in a million!


This article has nothing to do with Jossy! He didn't start this rumor, "Julia and Jossy" might have had different opinions in the past, but I doubt that still exists.    The Good Witch



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1979


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


LOL....now that's Funny...Ok...EASY can get the truth out about that one....EASY ask Jossy :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:42:49 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...


I think you have the first four right.....I am not sure about pvds though....I am thinking the idiot that was the first spokes MAN...and for the life of me I can't remember his name.....eventally went to work for the airport


ruben rubberlegs... I can't remember anything other than ruben and the picture that Klaasend did of him as Carmen Miranda...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...

Renfro and Munzenheifer are locks, IMO. I remember one bondia could barely form a proper sentence structure...and after seeing Angela's recent writings...i think that one was her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:26 pm    

M***R wrote:
Quote:
Perhaps they take it seriously because I remember reading some tidbit here at RU that suggested Jossy made Julia an employment offer and she turned him down. Something like 'Jossy needs Julia' - shocking at the time.  
I wonder where that fantasy story came from?? Julia and Jossy never in a million!
This article has nothing to do with Jossy! He didn't start this rumor, "Julia and Jossy" might have had different opinions in the past, but I doubt that still exists.    The Good Witch
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1979



hahahaha...renho you are an idiot....the only job jossy would offer you is shining his shoes and taking out his slop pot


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:26 pm    

M***R wrote:
Quote:
Perhaps they take it seriously because I remember reading some tidbit here at RU that suggested Jossy made Julia an employment offer and she turned him down. Something like 'Jossy needs Julia' - shocking at the time.  
I wonder where that fantasy story came from?? Julia and Jossy never in a million!
This article has nothing to do with Jossy! He didn't start this rumor, "Julia and Jossy" might have had different opinions in the past, but I doubt that still exists.    The Good Witch
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1979



hahahaha...renho you are an idiot....the only job jossy would offer you is shining his shoes and taking out his slop pot



 :lol:  :smt033


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:45:52 PM
I'll post this in a separate thread, but this Freebirds post on Renfro is a good starting point:


WHAT WAS JULIA RENFRO'S ROLE IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION?

The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

“The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders……”

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic well being of Aruba."
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm

Was Julia Renfro instructed to lie to the American citizens via the International media, thereby providing a completely incorrect view of the investigation as it progressed?

1. THE TALL DUTCH BOY WITH BLUE EYES

Julia Renfro attempts to distance Joran Van der Sloot from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway as well as discrediting Beth Twitty when she stated that Beth told her that Natalee had phoned home and shared that she was in love with a tall Dutch boy with blue eyes. Gerold Dompig states that there are two declarations from Julia Renfro regarding this issue - declarations that have yet to be revealed.

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - Dec. 7, 2005
O’REILLY: ... Now in the article, in the magazine, it states that you, Julia, had a conversation with Natalee’s mother Beth Holloway Twitty whereupon she told you that Natalee had mentioned another boy she was involved with on the island. Now Natalee’s mother denies that conversation. What say you?

RENFRO: ... What she told me on the 31st of May was that Natalee had met a tall Dutch boy with blue eyes. She’d met him. He spent some time with them, meaning the other Mountain Brook kids, as well, throughout their entire vacation.

O’REILLY: Another guy involved. You know, so you’re at odds with Natalee’s mother at this point, Julia?

RENFRO: Well, you know, we’ve — we’ve had a tough time. We’ve had a tough time, because I really went all out for her to help her and her family do everything possible to find their daughter Natalee.

O’REILLY: All right. So you’re standing by your story that she told you that Natalee told her there was a Dutch boy down on the island she liked with blue eyes. You’re standing by that?

RENFRO: Absolutely.

Gerold Dompig - VANITY FAIR - Jan. 2, 2006
According to Dompig, Beth Twitty had contact with her daughter while she was in Aruba. Dompig tells Burrough he has taken two statements from journalist Julia Renfro, as well as a worker at the Holiday Inn, and both claim Beth Twitty told them she had gotten a call from Natalee, who said she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. “We need to know the truth,” says Dompig. “Joran did not have blue eyes, so who was this boy?” Beth strenuously denies making any such statements, or having talked with Natalee while she was away.

HOWEVER ...

According to Beth Twitty, there was no contact between mother and daughter throughout the Aruban holiday and Natalee did not have an international calling plan. Also, Mountain Brook students deny that Natalee had any relationship with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager.


Clint Van Zandt - 'The Abrams Report' - April 25, 2005
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Yes we would. You know, a number of things, Dan. Number one, we‘ve got at least three different stories that implicate this man. Number one, there‘s this female cab driver who says that Natalee and her friends talked about this blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch kid who Natalee really liked, was really hitting on. Beth refutes that; Natalee‘s mother refutes the statements. The students in the United States refute the statements.

Beth Twitty - 'The Abrams Report' - April 19, 2006
ABRAMS: Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba?

TWITTY: Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all. You know Natalee had not called me. She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned. And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

Beth Twitty - On the Record w/ Greta - April 18, 2005
TWITTY: ... But you know, I think there were some rumors circulating earlier on, maybe in the fall, about Natalee had met someone — a blue-eyed Dutch national — and it's just simply not true. There just was no truth to the rumors that were coming out of Aruba that Natalee had met him.


2. JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH - GOOD REPUTATIONS

Julia Renfro claims that as an editor she was privy to information that implied that Joran, Deepak and Satish were highly regarded on Aruba.

Julia Renfro - 'The Abrams Report' = June 17, 2005
ABRAMS: Bottom line, does everyone on the island, I mean is it small enough such that you know a little bit the three other men who are under arrest as well?

RENFRO: Well, it‘s a small enough island to know enough about everybody. Do I know them personally? No. But have I heard about them? Yes. And from my position in the newspaper, we‘re always covering all of the wonderful things that happen on Aruba and you know, they have good reputations.

HOWEVER ...

Another Aruban editor voices a contrary opinion regarding the reputation of Joran Van der Sloot.


Jossy Mansur - NANCY GRACE - Aug. 2, 2005
MANSUR: ... At school, he`s been in problems many times. He`s been allowed to gamble at 17 years of age, to enter casinos, which is prohibited in Aruba. He`s been allowed to drink at all these nightclubs that we see him partying. He`s a party boy. And I don`t know how they can serve him drinks, being 17 years old


3. THE ALE CONNECTION

Why is the editor of an Aruban newspaper given direct inside information by those within the investigation regarding details relating to the Natalee Holloway case?

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - Dec. 7, 2005
JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, it’s not really what I believe, but I did speak to the Commissioner Dompig earlier today, and I asked him, "What did you mean by they hurt the investigation?" And he said he’s not blaming them specifically for anything, but that their attacks via the U.S. media certainly changed the tide of the investigation, basically, pressuring the police to make what they felt, believe it or not, premature arrests of the suspect.

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - Dec. 7, 2005
O’REILLY: OK. But Natalee’s mother denies the conversation totally. And what’s his name, Van Der Sloot, Joran Van Der Sloot doesn’t have blue eyes.

RENFRO: Right. That’s — that’s where there’s question.

O’REILLY: So the police are drawing a conclusion there was another man..
.
RENFRO: Right.

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - June 9, 2005
Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. "The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men."

Julia Renfro - On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006
RENFRO: Well, basically, Chief Dompig will remain in the position that he has always had and that commissioner of Oranjestad. Richardsonm on the other hand is the commissioner of the Noord district and the Noord residential area as well. Now, it is my understanding that while the Chief superintendant is abroad he will be replaced by Richardson, not Dompig.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

RENFRO: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.

VAN SUSTEREN: I would not use the word comical. It’s more baffling. Why, if you got the deputy chief who’s been the person out front in what is perhaps the most important murder investigation going on in Aruba and who has just told CBS 48 hours that they were at a critical stage of the investigation suddenly says "Oh yeah, I wanted off last September. I want off again now and then leaves."

RENFRO: Well, I believe we are in a situation where Richardson is actually more qualified in this critical stage that we are in at this point.

VAN SUSTEREN: And more qualified than Dompig? Why was Dompig on this so long then?

RENFRO: Well, it’s my understanding that that is basically what Richardson was doing was he was doing the hard work, the behind the scenes work and it has just come to a point where Dompig has decided where he needs to move on.
 
Credit: Brandi (BFN)

4. THE DOUBLE AGENT

Was Julia Renfro placed in a position by the "powers that be" in the investigation to assure that all pertinent information that had the ability to implicated Joran or Paulus could be directed accordingly? Could this explain why Julia Renfro's cell number was printed on the Natalee Holloway Missing posters?

Julia Renfro - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... You are mentioned quite a bit in this article, and basically, what it says is you were friends with Beth, you initially championed her cause and helped searched for Natalee.

JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: Yes, I did. Actually, you know, everything you just said is absolutely correct, in that I went all out to help Beth in every way, to help find her daughter.

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - Dec. 7, 2005
RENFRO: Well, you know, we’ve — we’ve had a tough time. We’ve had a tough time, because I really went all out for her to help her and her family do everything possible to find their daughter Natalee.


5. THE BLAME GAME

We do believe that Julia Renfro is attempting to obscure the issue. It is not Natalee's parents who are creating chaos on the Island of Aruba. As Beth Twitty implies in her defense of the boycott, it is a corrupt investigation - a corrupt investigation that is distancing Paulus and Joran Van der Sloot from being implicated in the events of that fateful morning.

Julia Renfro - DANA PRETZER SHOW - Mar. 26, 2005
RENFRO: Large groups of people have been canceling their trips to Aruba.”

PRETZER: You are a parent and I am a parent. This is a parents worst nightmare.

RENFRO: … the parents had lost their child, but they created massive chaos on an innocent island of 100,000 people.

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty - CBS NEWS - Mar. 25, 2006
Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago. Does she still support a boycott of Aruba? “The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty lost their child, but they created massive chaos on an innocent island of 100,000 people.


6. THE RACE CARD

Julia Renfro claims that the detainment of the security guards was not a racial issue - that Aruba has no such distinctions.

Julia Renfro - CNN - June 15, 2005
She insisted the reasons behind the guards' arrest had nothing to do with race. "Locally there was never even a mention or a breath of concern that this was a racial issue nor a status issue," Renfro said.

HOWEVER ...

Ann John claims that race definitely factored into the detainment of her son, and her son concurs.

Ann John - NANCY GRACE - June 9, 2005
GRACE: Miss John, your son (Mickey John) is one of the two security guards that were first arrested, not one of the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. It`s my understanding that there is some belief a racial bias is happening. Do you think that?

JOHN: I do think so.

Ann John - CNN - June 15, 2005
"The problem is, and I will say it plain, they have a color question in Aruba." Ann John said.

Mickey John - On the Record w/ Greta - June 29, 2005
JOHN: Well, I guess they wanted (INAUDIBLE) maybe the Dutch guy have some power on them, they all friends, and the family stick and talk and say, "We're going to stick to that, and that's it," you know? Trade in some black guy, scapegoat, lock him up, I guess so.


7. THE PUSHING INCIDENT

Julia Renfro claimed that there was an incident when an upset Jug Twitty used physical force against her.

Julia Renfro - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: ... And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty concedes that the situation was tense but states Jug did not use physical force against Julia, and Beth implied that there were other witnesses present at the alleged incident who would concur.


Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
BETH: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.


8. IMPLICATING THE SECURITY GUARDS

Julia Renfro claims that there was no reason to disbelieve Joran, Deepak and Satish when they implicated the security guards.

Julie Renfro - CNN - June 15, 2005
Renfro said police arrested the black guards "because the three boys pointed their fingers at these two security guards, and they couldn't leave that out of the loop. There was no reason to believe the boys were lying."

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty had already revealed to Aruban officials that the Holiday Inn security cameras did not record Natalee returning to the hotel, nor meeting up with any security guard in the lobby.


Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
TWITTY: ….. within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.


9. WHERE DID THE SOLID EVIDENCE GO?

Julia Renfro's inside information implies that there is "solid evidence" against the security guards.

Julia Renfro - The O'Reilly Factor - June 9, 2005
Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. "The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men."

HOWEVER ...

Within four days a government spokesperson refuted Julia Renfro's words.


Ruben Trappenberg - Associated Press - June 13, 2005
Authorities had freed John and another former hotel security guard, Abraham Jones, 28, late Monday. Trappenberg said earlier their release "probably means they had nothing to do with this case and prosecutors were able to check out their alibis."


10. CALL ME HOOTIE

There were those who ridiculed Beth Twitty in regards to the "Hootie" reference that appeared on the Natalee Holloway Missing posters. At the Birmingham Meeting in October, 2006, Beth revealed when responding to a question from an attendee that Julia Renfro was the instigator.

Beth Twitty - Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28, 2006
20. The "Call me Hootie" poster... what is the explanation of that?
TWITTY: This poster is the first that was distributed in Aruba. The Kidnapped posters that were made up to be put up were not allowed to be used. The Call me Hootie poster idea came from Julia Renfro.
Credit: Debbie (BFN)

This collusion and corruption needs to be exposed, stopped, and the participants brought forth to answer for their actions to their own citizens, the US media, the US citizens, and most importantly – to Natalee Holloway’s family.

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:46:10 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...


I think you have the first four right.....I am not sure about pvds though....I am thinking the idiot that was the first spokes MAN...and for the life of me I can't remember his name.....eventally went to work for the airport


ruben rubberlegs... I can't remember anything other than ruben and the picture that Klaasend did of him as Carmen Miranda...


OHMYGAWD!!   You just made me spit tea all over me and the computer...that's him....I think he was the fifth one....KLAAS....do you still have that picture!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 10:46:23 PM
Tito was the one that through me for a loop by saying that Natalee
had a dinner date the night before her disappearance with Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
And look who is calling the kettle black...playing the "race card" on Natalee's family AND accusing someone else of "15 minutes of fame"...excuse me while I puke!!!! There is going to be a whole new level created in hell for this wench!!!

Quote
Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm    

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....


Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works.  Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:

Should we lock it at page 50 or let it go :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:48:24 PM
I created a thread for Julia Renfro LIES:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1868


Patti - good to see you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:

Should we lock it at page 50 or let it go :lol:

It will go to infinity  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I'll post this in a separate thread, but this Freebirds post on Renfro is a good starting point:


WHAT WAS JULIA RENFRO'S ROLE IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION?

The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

“The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders……”

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic well being of Aruba."
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm

Was Julia Renfro instructed to lie to the American citizens via the International media, thereby providing a completely incorrect view of the investigation as it progressed?  
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


thanks Klaas...I snipped this to save space.....would you also do one for questions such as the one I questioned about Charles Croes....we can find/get the answers...... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 10:50:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:

Should we lock it at page 50 or let it go :lol:

It will go to infinity  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh and adding another thought...

the bondias  - they finally admitted there were five.

julia, angela, tito (?), anita (?) pvds...

i mean they probably came into the "news" room and posted away... and lied through their teeth as we now see...


I think you have the first four right.....I am not sure about pvds though....I am thinking the idiot that was the first spokes MAN...and for the life of me I can't remember his name.....eventally went to work for the airport


ruben rubberlegs... I can't remember anything other than ruben and the picture that Klaasend did of him as Carmen Miranda...


OHMYGAWD!!   You just made me spit tea all over me and the computer...that's him....I think he was the fifth one....KLAAS....do you still have that picture!!!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/rubent.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2007, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Tito was the one that through me for a loop by saying that Natalee
had a dinner date the night before her disappearance with Lorenzo.


 :shock:  :shock: Lorenzo weaver,Lorenzo Van Gijn,Lorenzo Van Rien Or Van Rijn??

Yes..Good to see Patti in the cage.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
And look who is calling the kettle black...playing the "race card" on Natalee's family AND accusing someone else of "15 minutes of fame"...excuse me while I puke!!!! There is going to be a whole new level created in hell for this wench!!!

Quote
Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm    

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....


Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works.  Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.  


sure sounds like renho KNOWS Nat was gang raped doesn't it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I created a thread for Julia Renfro LIES:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1868


Patti - good to see you!


thanks Klaas...and Hi Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Could we maybe start a thread and try to list her lies??? :lol:

Should we lock it at page 50 or let it go :lol:


that would be up to you and Klass.. y'all are the mods!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:55:51 PM
Sunny - I started a thread for CHARLES CROES but don't have anything to put there yet.  Others can go ahead and post what they know.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1869


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??


I remember getting into it with that one... but didn't they all have an attitude? big time superiority complex... for no good reason.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??

Yes - one was a real ass if I remember correctly and did not post like Glenda/Renfro.  Most of the time it was Renfro though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??

Yes!  Mega-tude.  MF a good call, probably the one that lasted only a day or two.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 10:58:33 PM
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
7. THE PUSHING INCIDENT

Julia Renfro claimed that there was an incident when an upset Jug Twitty used physical force against her.

Julia Renfro - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: ... And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty concedes that the situation was tense but states Jug did not use physical force against Julia, and Beth implied that there were other witnesses present at the alleged incident who would concur.

Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
BETH: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.

What in he-- was renho doing chasing down Beth and screaming at her while her kids were with her...helloooo??!! She drags her kids to a tv interview and than drags them through the street screaming at Beth as she gets into a cab....and she is worried that Jug said back off!! That is pure insanilty!!! Would YOU do THAT to your own kids???!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??

Yes!  Mega-tude.  MF a good call, probably the one that lasted only a day or two.


yes that was the one that said that  they should have never dug in the toxic landfill but that the searchers wanted to even though they told them that it was useless... even thinking about this I am spitting mad and can't get it out... :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Tito was the one that through me for a loop by saying that Natalee
had a dinner date the night before her disappearance with Lorenzo.


Tito was an idiot!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Patti"
Tito was the one that through me for a loop by saying that Natalee
had a dinner date the night before her disappearance with Lorenzo.


 :shock:  :shock: Lorenzo weaver,Lorenzo Van Gijn,Lorenzo Van Rien Or Van Rijn??

Yes..Good to see Patti in the cage.. :D


He said Lorenzo Weaver.  When I did a search on the name, I came
up with a man in his mid twenties that had an alias that would fit
right into the drug trade (Coke).  Tito said that he had just left for
Holland.

Later, it was believed that he meant Guido Weaver, but, I don't recall
Guido ever having a dinner date with Natalee...

Strange, Huh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?



yes she was... and she had a couple of other names as well.. I mean she kept adding herself as alternate posters... (which was unknown at the time) she later admitted it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"


ruben rubberlegs... I can't remember anything other than ruben and the picture that Klaasend did of him as Carmen Miranda...


OHMYGAWD!!   You just made me spit tea all over me and the computer...that's him....I think he was the fifth one....KLAAS....do you still have that picture!!!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/rubent.jpg)


OHMYGAWD!!  thank goodness Mrs. Red already made me spit all my tea out!  this is priceless!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, one of the bondias had a real attitude....sounded like MF/Ruben??


I think that was him...a really attitude!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
And look who is calling the kettle black...playing the "race card" on Natalee's family AND accusing someone else of "15 minutes of fame"...excuse me while I puke!!!! There is going to be a whole new level created in hell for this wench!!!

Quote
Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm    

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....


Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works.  Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.  


sure sounds like renho KNOWS Nat was gang raped doesn't it



Something is not right with that witch.  I was in an affluent, white highschool when there was headline news about a rapist that pulled someone off the street, took them downtown then after beating the crap out of her, dumped her on the street.  The petite blonde schoolmate returned to school two weeks later, still battered and bruised. NO ONE BLAMED HER OR THOUGHT LESS OF HER.  THERE WAS ONLY ANGER AT THE PERPETRATOR.  Renfro is the only one that tries to insert antiquated American steriotypes into scenarios. Why does she think the norm is to blame and shame a victim??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sunny - I started a thread for CHARLES CROES but don't have anything to put there yet.  Others can go ahead and post what they know.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1869


thanks....as I said I THINK I know...but still have to get it verified.....uummmmmm was HE questioned by the LE....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:06:40 PM
Hello Monkeys!
I have been lost lately for hours reading the archived posts.
They are interesting, to say the least. Also, it didn't take long even back then to see who came in the cage with an agenda. Sometimes I wonder how we put up with them on a nightly basis.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 17, 2007, 11:07:02 PM
O/T - WYOMING SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS TO FOX NEWS THAT SHARPSHOOTER SUSPECTED IN WIFE'S MURDER HAS DIED

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
7. THE PUSHING INCIDENT

Julia Renfro claimed that there was an incident when an upset Jug Twitty used physical force against her.

Julia Renfro - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: ... And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty concedes that the situation was tense but states Jug did not use physical force against Julia, and Beth implied that there were other witnesses present at the alleged incident who would concur.

Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
BETH: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.

What in he-- was renho doing chasing down Beth and screaming at her while her kids were with her...helloooo??!! She drags her kids to a tv interview and than drags them through the street screaming at Beth as she gets into a cab....and she is worried that Jug said back off!! That is pure insanilty!!! Would YOU do THAT to your own kids???!!



thanks Lisa...I just posted something similar but in my own words in the lies thread...would you post this over there too please!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
And look who is calling the kettle black...playing the "race card" on Natalee's family AND accusing someone else of "15 minutes of fame"...excuse me while I puke!!!! There is going to be a whole new level created in hell for this wench!!!

Quote
Glenda Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:28 pm    

JamiJo wrote:
So just how does rumors like this get started?

And better yet, WHY?

This whole story has turned into a big joke. There is a child missing, and this is what we talk about........Rumors of job offers for reporters.....

Get over the drama of all those looking for their 15 minutes of fame and solve this case already.....


Because the "Divide and concur" technique no longer works.  Then try to accuse "15 minutes of fame" hehehe, you've got to be kidding. Any mother who could repeatedly discuss for her daughter's gang rape over and over, without a shred of evidence is either mentally ill or looking for attention, and the later got 24-7 as a mentally ill person would have never, ever been able to capture the American media 24-7 for more than a year. Sorry!

BETH made it IMPOSSIBLE for Natalee to return to her own life. Which one of you monkeys could go to school with everyone knowing that you were gang raped after leaving on your own accord with three strangers, and top it off by stating that they were non-whites while residing in a 99.9 all white community.  


sure sounds like renho KNOWS Nat was gang raped doesn't it



Something is not right with that witch.  I was in an affluent, white highschool when there was headline news about a rapist that pulled someone off the street, took them downtown then after beating the crap out of her, dumped her on the street.  The petite blonde schoolmate returned to school two weeks later, still battered and bruised. NO ONE BLAMED HER OR THOUGHT LESS OF HER.  THERE WAS ONLY ANGER AT THE PERPETRATOR.  Renfro is the only one that tries to insert antiquated American steriotypes into scenarios. Why does she think the norm is to blame and shame a victim??


I am sure it was her and the ditches that came up with that as well as the bit about k2s being called slaves by Nat!!  all the while blaming a black security guard and allowing two black men to be arrested for a crime they new joran committed!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:07:42 PM
I personally think that renfro ascribes to others what she herself believes, about people... the antiqidated ideas etc.

who knows maybe she was raped and they blamed her?  made her life a living hell??

but I doubt it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
7. THE PUSHING INCIDENT

Julia Renfro claimed that there was an incident when an upset Jug Twitty used physical force against her.

Julia Renfro - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: ... And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.

HOWEVER ...

Beth Twitty concedes that the situation was tense but states Jug did not use physical force against Julia, and Beth implied that there were other witnesses present at the alleged incident who would concur.

Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Dec. 5, 2005
BETH: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.

What in he-- was renho doing chasing down Beth and screaming at her while her kids were with her...helloooo??!! She drags her kids to a tv interview and than drags them through the street screaming at Beth as she gets into a cab....and she is worried that Jug said back off!! That is pure insanilty!!! Would YOU do THAT to your own kids???!!



thanks Lisa...I just posted something similar but in my own words in the lies thread...would you post this over there too please!!


will do!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 17, 2007, 11:08:38 PM
buckeye-

she has no concept of right and wrong, only her own gimme reflex

Aruba is the source for shame, not Natalee or her family, they all led honorable lives. It's those on Aruba like Renho who have not, nor her disgusting mommy Siddalee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 11:08:54 PM
I know you guys are getting tired of me showing up every night and posting these old posts, but there are few very, VERY interesting things in this one.  If any of this is true, we still don't have the 5th suspect correct.


Dallas Also
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Dallas
   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Here is a list that I think summarizes today's events, with good extras from the local Ariba folks that are posting:

1. Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don't think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home.
2. Someone else was arrested this morning and two of our posters determined that this is their friend that was arrested. The name is Steve Croes. Croes is a common name like Smith or Jones and he is no relation to the Minister Croes that has been quoted some in some press releases. Steve Croes is an acquaintance of Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR, and that he drives a large party boat called the Tattoo that stays docked near the Marriott. Steve Croes is divorced and has a two-yr-old child and works hard and also would have been the type that might have enjoyed going to a late-night party. But this really shook up our friends Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR. Americaninaruba went down to the courthouse to see what was going on there.
3. Someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an "underground party". Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don't have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don't close those down as easily.
4. In the radio announcements, there are several announcements from officials that they now are back to thinking she could be alive.
5. We looked closer at the underwear that was found on the beach and discussed that it did indeed look like an American style, "boy boxers" that can be purchased at any major American department store.
6. We looked closer at the guy that was holding up the underwear, and we found a separate picture from Joran's old website. And it looked like the same guy shown as a friend/acquaintance of Joran also was the guy that found all those items on the beach on 6-7-05. Among those items also was a piece of foam "that had teethmarks" on it and we discussed that a little.
7. We heard rumors of FBI searches that weren't confirmed.
8. We heard that on local Aruba radio at 5 pm, they announced that an additional person had been arrested. This hasn't shown up on MSM so far.
9. We knew that today the three guys (Joran and the three brothers) appeared in court. The court decided to keep them in jail another 8 days. This decision took hours today. They were in their at least 3 hours. One report said that they came out once, and that when they went back in, that Joran was in handcuffs, and had not been in handcuffs the first time he had gone into the courtroom earlier in the day.
10. We heard that a "travelling judge" today overturned another judge's original decision to let Joran's dad visit Joran. So the dad only got to visit Joran one day.
11. We heard that Joran now has additional lawyers (we think he has three now), and that one of his lawyers broke some sort of rule by "talking to one of the guards".
12. Someone posted that Steve Croes has been released, but that is only a post from another website and no one has really confirmed it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
O/T - WYOMING SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS TO FOX NEWS THAT SHARPSHOOTER SUSPECTED IN WIFE'S MURDER HAS DIED

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


thanks San, I can't say that I am sorry....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
O/T - WYOMING SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS TO FOX NEWS THAT SHARPSHOOTER SUSPECTED IN WIFE'S MURDER HAS DIED

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


thanks...at least Wyoming won't have to go throught the expense of a trial..... :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?



yes she was... and she had a couple of other names as well.. I mean she kept adding herself as alternate posters... (which was unknown at the time) she later admitted it.


Seriously?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:11:51 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I personally think that renfro ascribes to others what she herself believes, about people... the antiqidated ideas etc.

who knows maybe she was raped and they blamed her?  made her life a living hell??

but I doubt it...


you are far too kind....I do believe there are evil people...just people who are born with something in them that is evil....and i think renho is one of them....no soul


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 11:11:56 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hello Monkeys!
I have been lost lately for hours reading the archived posts.
They are interesting, to say the least. Also, it didn't take long even back then to see who came in the cage with an agenda. Sometimes I wonder how we put up with them on a nightly basis.


Hi Elaine!!!!

It's good to see you again.  I hope you had a fun fourth of July
and I'm glad to hear news that Tim is going to head a search
for Natalee in a few weeks.  I hope all is well with you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ldstlou on July 17, 2007, 11:11:59 PM
Well...night Monkeys...good talking to you all...many prayers going out from our family to Peaches!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
buckeye-

she has no concept of right and wrong, only her own gimme reflex

Aruba is the source for shame, not Natalee or her family, they all led honorable lives. It's those on Aruba like Renho who have not, nor her disgusting mommy Siddalee


talk about the nut not falling far from the tree.... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 17, 2007, 11:14:26 PM
Hey, Klaas. As you go through the archives, maybe you will find the original exchange that led to your tag line. What was her name? Was it Scandia Nor or was that someone else? Eh, zoo geeper?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I personally think that renfro ascribes to others what she herself believes, about people... the antiqidated ideas etc.

who knows maybe she was raped and they blamed her?  made her life a living hell??

but I doubt it...


you are far too kind....I do believe there are evil people...just people who are born with something in them that is evil....and i think renho is one of them....no soul


I agree with both of you, but money could have been a BIG factor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?



yes she was... and she had a couple of other names as well.. I mean she kept adding herself as alternate posters... (which was unknown at the time) she later admitted it.


Seriously?   :shock:


yes mamam...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Well...night Monkeys...good talking to you all...many prayers going out from our family to Peaches!!


Nite ldstlou - good to see you posting tonight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?



yes she was... and she had a couple of other names as well.. I mean she kept adding herself as alternate posters... (which was unknown at the time) she later admitted it.


Seriously?   :shock:
Yup! Multiple personality disorder through cyber space  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 17, 2007, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Well...night Monkeys...good talking to you all...many prayers going out from our family to Peaches!!


good Night Ld....I am off too.....Good ight to All....and remember we can and will get all renho's lies debunked....WE CAN DO IT...and hopefully get some questions answered.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I personally think that renfro ascribes to others what she herself believes, about people... the antiqidated ideas etc.

who knows maybe she was raped and they blamed her?  made her life a living hell??

but I doubt it...


Ever since she posted that crap about fetal alcohol syndrome, I was afraid she had a child newly diagnosed with the problem.  It is not normal to look at photos and try to conclude some syndrome.  She must have first hand knowledge and I'm thinking now, she has so much jealousy of Beth that all this crap is not necessarily AHATA related but her personal mental illness..  I feel sorry for her children, even if one does not suffer this disorder.  She is not right.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Hey, Klaas. As you go through the archives, maybe you will find the original exchange that led to your tag line. What was her name? Was it Scandia Nor or was that someone else? Eh, zoo geeper?  :lol:

I think Scandi-nor  was in July but I'll search right now  :lol:

Just checked and she's not there.  I'm pretty sure she posted in July 2005.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:18:14 PM
Patti  you and NONE are so right.. duh to myself... it's about money....


Night LDSTL>..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hello Monkeys!
I have been lost lately for hours reading the archived posts.
They are interesting, to say the least. Also, it didn't take long even back then to see who came in the cage with an agenda. Sometimes I wonder how we put up with them on a nightly basis.


Hi Elaine!!!!

It's good to see you again.  I hope you had a fun fourth of July
and I'm glad to hear news that Tim is going to head a search
for Natalee in a few weeks.  I hope all is well with you.
Good to see you as well Patti! I sure did have a great 4th and hope you did as well! I agree great news about Tim and the upcoming search. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
Nite Sunny... I will do my part in the morning on the threads, if there isn't something that isn't already there...

I think TYLER and ANNA are needed in this ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:20:57 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Well...night Monkeys...good talking to you all...many prayers going out from our family to Peaches!!


good Night Ld....I am off too.....Good ight to All....and remember we can and will get all renho's lies debunked....WE CAN DO IT...and hopefully get some questions answered.....
Take care Sunny!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 17, 2007, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I know you guys are getting tired of me showing up every night and posting these old posts...

Are you kidding? This old stuff is very interesting. Big thanks to you, Klaas, ******* and all the others for bringing these posts into discussion!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 17, 2007, 11:24:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Hey, Klaas. As you go through the archives, maybe you will find the original exchange that led to your tag line. What was her name? Was it Scandia Nor or was that someone else? Eh, zoo geeper?  :lol:

I think Scandi-nor  was in July but I'll search right now  :lol:

Just checked and she's not there.  I'm pretty sure she posted in July 2005.   :wink:


Well, if you come across her I'd love to look back. She was very upset all the time and very funny. Great tag line.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:24:44 PM
Speaking of Scandi-nor...I suspect poster frrp at RU is Scandi-nor


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2007, 11:26:12 PM
None

I always loved STom.  These are from a conversation with you:

Yes, that is him: Ruud Oomens, the lawyer Paulus hired for Deepak at the beginning of the investigation. He's supposed to be Aruba's crème de la crème. I have wondered why Paulus didn't assign this guy to his son, if he's so good. Although one could always argue that given that Antonio Carlo had been part of the island's judicial structure, he probably knows all the inside connnections.
-------------------
With regards to Oomens and what the vdS defense team could have had against the Kalpoes, I am just guessing. It’s inconceivable that these two have not taken a more defensive public stand, so I just suspect that they are keeping quiet for some reason. It could be their immigration status and fear of being kicked out of Aruba, or something related to Satish's involvement in this crime or a previous one. I always keep in mind that Stephen Cohen stated last December in Puerto Rico that two of the suspects had had sex with Natalee, and it seems more likely to me that Satish and Joran were the ones. Just a hunch!.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Scandi-nor...I suspect poster frrp at RU is Scandi-nor


has she grown a brain?? :lol:


Lala's ... I think the old stuff is important, it shows when and where the coverup began. Immediately.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Patti on July 17, 2007, 11:27:50 PM
Well.... I think I'm going to go to bed, too.  

Mrs. Red, I wanted to tell you that you look smashing!  I appreciate
the job that you and Mr. Red do with the Monkeys and although I
can't stay in touch as much as I'd like, my heart is with you.

Klaas, as always you do a wonderful job... keep it up.

Hugs to all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 17, 2007, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I know you guys are getting tired of me showing up every night and posting these old posts...

Are you kidding?  I love it when you show up with all those posts....keep it up.  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Scandi-nor...I suspect poster frrp at RU is Scandi-nor
Today she said she doesn't like Americans, and the only one she has respect for is Heli. I almost pissed my pants laughing at that remark.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
Thanks Patti... nite!  Drop by more often!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:33:51 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Scandi-nor...I suspect poster frrp at RU is Scandi-nor
Today she said she doesn't like Americans, and the only one she has respect for is Heli. I almost pissed my pants laughing at that remark.  :lol:  :lol:

Yeah, if you read all frrp's posts she sounds alot like Scandi-nor, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 17, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
nite,monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:38:14 PM
Nite Tiger


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 17, 2007, 11:41:23 PM
Klaas
If I want to copy something to here that has blown margins on my screen in another thread will I blow them over here too?  I don't want to be guilty of that crime...I would have to write myself up and that hurts. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Scandi-nor...I suspect poster frrp at RU is Scandi-nor
Today she said she doesn't like Americans, and the only one she has respect for is Heli. I almost pissed my pants laughing at that remark.  :lol:  :lol:

Yeah, if you read all frrp's posts she sounds alot like Scandi-nor, lol  :lol:
:lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2007, 11:47:03 PM
inspector_detector
Monkey Junkey

Joined: 18 Jun 2005

 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject:      

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Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I know you guys are getting tired of me showing up every night and posting these old posts...

Are you kidding?  I love it when you show up with all those posts....keep it up.  :D  :D
tcumom, what kind of lizzard is that in your avatar?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 17, 2007, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
inspector_detector
Monkey Junkey

Joined: 18 Jun 2005

 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject:      

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Rumor has it that Croes supplied Deepak with rufies. Deepak slipped a rufie in Natalees drink. Joran may not even know he did it.


CROES is into this UP TO HIS NECK


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 17, 2007, 11:54:32 PM
Elaine... I just looked closely and I see Elton's back... thank you!!!  I love that avi....

on that note, I am sooooo very tired so I am off to bed... good nite monkeys...

keep the faith!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 17, 2007, 11:57:37 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Elaine... I just looked closely and I see Elton's back... thank you!!!  I love that avi....

on that note, I am sooooo very tired so I am off to bed... good nite monkeys...

keep the faith!
:D Goodnight Mrs Red!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 12:03:21 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
None

I always loved STom.  These are from a conversation with you:

Yes, that is him: Ruud Oomens, the lawyer Paulus hired for Deepak at the beginning of the investigation. He's supposed to be Aruba's crème de la crème. I have wondered why Paulus didn't assign this guy to his son, if he's so good. Although one could always argue that given that Antonio Carlo had been part of the island's judicial structure, he probably knows all the inside connnections.
-------------------
With regards to Oomens and what the vdS defense team could have had against the Kalpoes, I am just guessing. It’s inconceivable that these two have not taken a more defensive public stand, so I just suspect that they are keeping quiet for some reason. It could be their immigration status and fear of being kicked out of Aruba, or something related to Satish's involvement in this crime or a previous one. I always keep in mind that Stephen Cohen stated last December in Puerto Rico that two of the suspects had had sex with Natalee, and it seems more likely to me that Satish and Joran were the ones. Just a hunch!.


I believe STom had more early insight into the case than anyone.

I did a post on it. I have all of the quotes from Stom to igsigs on my site. It's a mind blower.

http://tinyurl.com/2e5e3k

thanks mas amigoes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:05:11 AM
Enter the  worst person I ever spoke to on this forum...there are a few earlier posts, but this is when she began her vile assault and some nights I just wanted to blow up my computer because of this poster.  A little frying might have produce better results...I didn't say that did I?  JMO



WonderWoman
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I think this is what is wrong with alot of people, all over the world. Nobody takes the time to get to know anyone anymore. We have more backyard decks, and less FRONT PORCHES(excuse my CAPS)

We are so ready to fry these kids' before we have all the facts.....

My 19 year-old's friend wrote him a little post- it note that said...

To: Joe:

 I immediately felt dislike for this GIRL, but then I never got a chance to get to know her. They lasted a few months. If my son liked her, she couldn't have been all that bad Smile

Point is, these boys have friends and families, and have not been found guilty yet. Please remember, no matter what, these families are also exhausted, frightened, and in shock.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 12:05:56 AM
Pinball Wizard

Joined: 20 Jun 2005
Location: N'Hampshuh
 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject:      

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Quick question-
Is this a picture of Steve Croes at work on the Tattoo? The man at the far right, with DJ headset on. He is also wearing a pilot's uniform, instead of the "Tattoo" t-shirts the other staff wear on the boat. I uploaded it to Imageshack:

http://img106.echo.cx/img106/6360/tattoo4copy4mo.jpg

Thanks for any insight, I think I found a bunch of pictures of him on the boat, but I'm not sure.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/tattoo4copy4mo.jpg)

I had completely forgotten about this photo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 12:08:02 AM
I am sorry,but I couldn't sleep,so i checked in Latin and English.Dane does have nine levels.I have been promised level three,a cold and ucomfortable place/where no on can spell or relax,and mean dogs rip your flesh,Nice


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
First real hint of evidence concerning being drugged.  It all happened with shot of 151.  Just as all of us have speculated.  The drug was in that drink.  Of course, I could be wrong, but I bet I am not.

lee



Joined: 14 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:11 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
rb....IIRC....the emphasize of that post was that she, Natalee wasn't hanging all over anybody....that is pretty much what I recall the students said...that Joran was nearby or so, but Natalee was not holding onto him....


so , between inside Carlos' and the street , Natalee went from being by herself to going with Joran and his bunch.....


you would think they would have video of the outside of Carlo's wouldn't you.....

_________________


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 12:10:28 AM
Maybe they did.Yes,the drug was in the special drink,IMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 18, 2007, 12:12:51 AM
Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.

Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation? :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:14:00 AM
Klaas
In the Breaking News Archives #8 is where they discuss this pilot story.  At first they think Steve is a real pilot, but then they decide that he's playing virtual reality games.  Occasionally, someone interjects a comment about the pilot thing and then finally they just let it go.  What I take from it is that some thought Steve had a pilot's license to fly real planes and other's thought not.  Then someone says he was the boat (Tattoo) pilot.  It's confusing, but now I see your photo and I really am confused.  Maybe he was working the same night of that photo and that's what he wore to work...I know I am grasping at straws, but my thoughts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 12:14:46 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.

Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation? :arrow:


the picture was a way to CONVINCE people that ARE NOT familiar with the case...
here is EXAMPLE of JORAN SPEWING his GARBAGE


"see, i was friends with Natalee, i would never hurt her" :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 12:16:25 AM
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject:      

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nancy_drew wrote:

Quote
If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth. I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country. Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less. Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.

Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation? :arrow:


simple, the narcissist sociopath in him couldn't resist that 'trophy'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 18, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
tcumom, what kind of lizzard is that in your avatar?

TCU's mascot is a horned frog ~ as they like to say "indigenous to the Southwest"  :roll:
Mine's a stylized South American pic since the real deal is kinda ugly in a cool way....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:19:18 AM
Would this be the Marten we have all come to know and...well...you get my drift?


waitingtoknow
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Mississippi
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Hi all....

about martin's tickle site....When I was looking at Joran and the Brother's websites, I would go to their friend's websites and see what they would say....Martin was a friend or left a message for almost every female that is friends with our "suspects"....seems ick


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
None

I always loved STom.  These are from a conversation with you:

Yes, that is him: Ruud Oomens, the lawyer Paulus hired for Deepak at the beginning of the investigation. He's supposed to be Aruba's crème de la crème. I have wondered why Paulus didn't assign this guy to his son, if he's so good. Although one could always argue that given that Antonio Carlo had been part of the island's judicial structure, he probably knows all the inside connnections.
-------------------
With regards to Oomens and what the vdS defense team could have had against the Kalpoes, I am just guessing. It’s inconceivable that these two have not taken a more defensive public stand, so I just suspect that they are keeping quiet for some reason. It could be their immigration status and fear of being kicked out of Aruba, or something related to Satish's involvement in this crime or a previous one. I always keep in mind that Stephen Cohen stated last December in Puerto Rico that two of the suspects had had sex with Natalee, and it seems more likely to me that Satish and Joran were the ones. Just a hunch!.


I believe STom had more early insight into the case than anyone.

I did a post on it. I have all of the quotes from Stom to igsigs on my site. It's a mind blower.

http://tinyurl.com/2e5e3k

thanks mas amigoes


STom actually didn't have personal experience with the ALE or the perps, just a very well educated and insightful American who traveled for business in that area and had some knowledge of the political landscape on Aruba. We eventually emailed and S was actually a she as well  :wink:

I still think STom totally rocks....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 18, 2007, 12:23:33 AM
None and Robots > i think you both could be right.

*Selling* the picture is a weak excuse. It would have been disproven easily. Even blockhead would have known that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 18, 2007, 12:23:57 AM
Thanks for the STom link. Goodnight,all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:24:40 AM
I swear this poster reminds me of Tylergal...all her posts have thus far.  Are you guys reading any of this stuff?  

Selena



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Southeast USA
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Did anyone see the interview with Ivan, friend of the brithers, he said Carlos N' charlies is in the Hot Zone, where they sell exstacy,..he knew that as a local..the other bar they were heading out to, to round up stragglers, is a place where call girls hang out, Mumbo
Jumbo's...do you see where this investigation is headed????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 12:27:33 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.

Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation? :arrow:


Maybe there are photos of him, with Natalee, from that night and he was planning on claiming they were photoshopped like the ones from Alabama (since everyone would know those are fake).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 12:28:11 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
None and Robots > i think you both could be right.

*Selling* the picture is a weak excuse. It would have been disproven easily. Even blockhead would have known that.


blockhead  :lol:  :lol:

I'm right behind you PV, everyone rest well !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 12:29:29 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
None

I always loved STom.  These are from a conversation with you:

Yes, that is him: Ruud Oomens, the lawyer Paulus hired for Deepak at the beginning of the investigation. He's supposed to be Aruba's crème de la crème. I have wondered why Paulus didn't assign this guy to his son, if he's so good. Although one could always argue that given that Antonio Carlo had been part of the island's judicial structure, he probably knows all the inside connnections.
-------------------
With regards to Oomens and what the vdS defense team could have had against the Kalpoes, I am just guessing. It’s inconceivable that these two have not taken a more defensive public stand, so I just suspect that they are keeping quiet for some reason. It could be their immigration status and fear of being kicked out of Aruba, or something related to Satish's involvement in this crime or a previous one. I always keep in mind that Stephen Cohen stated last December in Puerto Rico that two of the suspects had had sex with Natalee, and it seems more likely to me that Satish and Joran were the ones. Just a hunch!.


I believe STom had more early insight into the case than anyone.

I did a post on it. I have all of the quotes from Stom to igsigs on my site. It's a mind blower.

http://tinyurl.com/2e5e3k

thanks mas amigoes


STom actually didn't have personal experience with the ALE or the perps, just a very well educated and insightful American who traveled for business in that area and had some knowledge of the political landscape on Aruba. We eventually emailed and S was actually a she as well  :wink:

I still think STom totally rocks....


No wonder I thought "he" was so smart.  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 12:29:38 AM
oh Lala's just an afterthought but search to see if you can find any posts by 'terry' not our Terry but just plain terry

check your email, I'll fess up why  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 12:30:24 AM
Buckeye I'm busting  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

off to bed, laughing all the way.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 12:31:52 AM
Fom Pita

Page 121 of Dave's Book
Former Police Commissioner Stanley Zaandam's statement to Dave:

Two days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot..."  He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor made the false arrest of two security guards, calling this a tactical maneuver..."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:34:59 AM
Well whomever this Selena is, was...whatever...she had a bead on that place called Aruba.


Selena



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"Detailed crime statistics are hard to come by: In 2003, the most recent year with available data, there were 4,236 crimes, though no specifics on those against tourists. According to Aruba's attorney general, five homicides were reported last year. But police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995, says Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics.

The U.S. State Department's travel advice for Aruba states that "street crime is low, but there have been incidents of theft from hotel rooms. Armed robbery has been known to occur. Valuables left unattended on beaches, in cars and in hotel lobbies are easy targets for theft. Car theft, including that of rental vehicles for joy riding and stripping, can occur."

But the notesState Department's 2005 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report  that "while Aruba enjoys a low crime rate, prominent drug traffickers are establishing themselves sporadically on the island ... drugs are easily found within walking distance of Oranjestad's cruise pier and are frequently peddled to cruise ship tourists. The expanding use of (Ecstasy) in clubs by young people attracts increasing attention."
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh Lala's just an afterthought but search to see if you can find any posts by 'terry' not our Terry but just plain terry

check your email, I'll fess up why  :lol:



I think I already know. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 12:36:49 AM
joran is stupid

he is a liar and he is a terrible liar at that

the picture thing was a plan that an 11 year old would try to pull over on their parents..kind of like this


PARENTS
"Johnny, were you paying with matches"

Johnny
"umm....err...ahhhhh NOPE"

PARENTS
"how did you burn your fingertips"
 
Johnny
"umm...ahhh,....errrrr....i was changing the radiator fluid in the FORD"



see,,, its a ridiculous answer

JORAN IS A RIDICULOUS LIAR AND A KILLER


WHERE SUPPOSEDLY were JORAN AN NATALEE when the picture was taken ??

see, how STUPID HE IS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:39:23 AM
Hi Robots...was thinking of heading to bed, glad I saw you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Robots...was thinking of heading to bed, glad I saw you.


im glad you saw me too  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 12:40:49 AM
This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school  the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee.   I explain I can no longer remember well,  and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 12:44:45 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school  the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee.   I explain I can no longer remember well,  and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


this a LOCK

he DID NOT take the BUS that day

he is hedging....

one cant remember the NEXT day????????????????????


BS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 12:47:31 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?


 i am reading slowly lalas.. imo cat was a royal bitch ..bigtime.
dont care if she is around to lurk or not.. she was evil.. she sent me some nasty pms way back when and others too.   BITCH is all I can say.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:47:41 AM
Told you guys Wonder Woman is nutty...I think I hated her the most...well until I met the Bondia gang. LOL

WonderWoman
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Selena wrote:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2086.html

transnational issues,...illicit drugs, including Exstacy



We're the idiots BUYING it!!!


UNITED STATES
consumer of cocaine shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of heroin, marijuana, and increasingly methamphetamine from Mexico; consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas or anybody that remembers....who was Catriana?   Is she one of the mods that eventually turned to the darkside?  Just curious?


 i am reading slowly lalas.. imo cat was a royal bitch ..bigtime.
dont care if she is around to lurk or not.. she was evil.. she sent me some nasty pms way back when and others too.   BITCH is all I can say.



hello bunny


glad to see you are telling it EXACTLY the way it is

hope you are feeling better


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 12:49:55 AM
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Spock"
This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school  the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee.   I explain I can no longer remember well,  and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


this a LOCK

he DID NOT take the BUS that day

he is hedging....

one cant remember the NEXT day????????????????????


BS



He didn't have a next day...he had not even been to bed since he was too busy trying to hide Natalee's body and cover up evidence.  He was at Lorenzo's where Natalee was at the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
Hi Angie!

I hope your arm is better.  You don't have to answer me, I understand.  Just take care of yourself and let us know how you are when you can.  

{{{HUGS}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 12:55:49 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Spock"
This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school  the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee.   I explain I can no longer remember well,  and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


this a LOCK

he DID NOT take the BUS that day

he is hedging....

one cant remember the NEXT day????????????????????


BS


EXACTLY!

Like Rob pointed out this afternoon......there are about 5 different conflicting stories/alibis/accountings of what actually happened the  first 10 days. They say there is no evidence???????? the lies and inconsisitencies ARE the evidence!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:57:20 AM
I think I need to hug Nemo...I am very tired and promised myself I was going to bed early...I lied to myself again...Gosh!  I really need to get new pencils....night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 12:59:38 AM
There was a man sitting at the table and he looked like Paulus Van Der Sloot - wasn't this the line? right here? and who talks about their father in the fifth dimension like this?

He addresses the person sitting at the table (BECAUSE IT'S PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT) and he wants to brush it off as a nobody! Nice Try Kid Ubber Vanderlick!!!

And still no mention of Lorenzo - a pivotal player. Hot Shot Gear Head or Racing Boat Depose of Dead?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 12:59:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 01:05:30 AM
Spock wrote:

This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee. I explain I can no longer remember well, and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


so, why didnt Paulus just drive him to school instead of taking him sonewhere else to THEN be picked up by the bus


ANSWER................i have it

what do you all think  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:11:44 AM
Robots
Dang it! That color you use is too hard for someone with bad eyes to read...stick to the darker colors.  What does it say any way?  


I really must go to bed...but now I am trying to think this one out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 01:13:26 AM
Spock wrote:

This is very interesting and opens up some possibilities:

This is from Joran's book (pp189-190) .. very rough translation. He's speaking of police questioning that took place on June 29 and June 30

"The police question me that day for, as it happens, concerning how I was got to school the Monday morning after the night I went out with Natalee. I explain I can no longer remember well, and think that I missed the school bus and that my father drove me closer where the bus could pick me up, namely, the drive-in cinema".


that color was horrible...sorry  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:13:53 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
There was a man sitting at the table and he looked like Paulus Van Der Sloot - wasn't this the line? right here? and who talks about their father in the fifth dimension like this?

He addresses the person sitting at the table (BECAUSE IT'S PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT) and he wants to brush it off as a nobody! Nice Try Kid Ubber Vanderlick!!!

And still no mention of Lorenzo - a pivotal player. Hot Shot Gear Head or Racing Boat Depose of Dead?



Why didn't he say something like..."looks like my father"...because he refers to his father as Paulus.  HMMMMMM.   Yep, it was Paulus, right there picking out his next conquest while Anita was gone.  JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 18, 2007, 01:15:39 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Rob"
There was a man sitting at the table and he looked like Paulus Van Der Sloot - wasn't this the line? right here? and who talks about their father in the fifth dimension like this?

He addresses the person sitting at the table (BECAUSE IT'S PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT) and he wants to brush it off as a nobody! Nice Try Kid Ubber Vanderlick!!!

And still no mention of Lorenzo - a pivotal player. Hot Shot Gear Head or Racing Boat Depose of Dead?


YEP




Why didn't he say something like..."looks like my father"...because he refers to his father as Paulus.  HMMMMMM.   Yep, it was Paulus, right there picking out his next conquest while Anita was gone.  JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:16:54 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


If you read the early post I have been tossing out all night, you see where Max was questioned sometime between Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  Yep, he was alibiing Lorenzo.

"alibi, so tight, so tight"  Yep, you guys just keep laughing at my Shango/Simian dance.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


If you read the early post I have been tossing out all night, you see where Max was questioned sometime between Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  Yep, he was alibiing Lorenzo. "alibi, so tight, so tight"  Yep, you guys just keep laughing at my Shango/Simian dance.


"The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week with an alibi so tight"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:26:59 AM
I am really going to bed now...but before I go I have to get this off my chest...since they have indicted Micheal Vick, Mr. Bigshot Atlanta Falcon on all those horrible charges and cruelty, I want to be on that SOB's jury.  I am way past sick about that crap he did.  He needs to be in jail and he needs to stay there!  I have no sympathy at all...none.  I am so tired of all these big time pro footballer players that think they can do anything and it's all right because they show up on Sunday afternoon and win the games for the world to see.  I don't care if there are fans of his on this forum or not...he's a sick person and needs some justice sent his way.  IMO  And I ain't sorry for this rant...carry on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 01:27:41 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


If you read the early post I have been tossing out all night, you see where Max was questioned sometime between Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  Yep, he was alibiing Lorenzo. "alibi, so tight, so tight"  Yep, you guys just keep laughing at my Shango/Simian dance.


"The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week with an alibi so tight"


One really has to ask themselves if Joran actually slept at home that night or was on the south part of the island where he picked up the school bus?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


If you read the early post I have been tossing out all night, you see where Max was questioned sometime between Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  Yep, he was alibiing Lorenzo. "alibi, so tight, so tight"  Yep, you guys just keep laughing at my Shango/Simian dance.


"The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week with an alibi so tight"


Well we know that Steve Croes didn't have an alibi, he WAS an alibi.  What I don't understand is the earlier in the week.  Just when did Natalee meet him and are they really talking about her boyfriend?  I know some think it's Guido, but I don't know if that is the case.  Then again, if Guido was charged with heavy battery, maybe it was.  So far, the only person that fits in the time frame of the 5th suspect is either Steve or Lorenzo.  Actually, it was being reported that Lorenzo was questioned before Steve early on.  Yet, I found a news article that states van der Stratten was saying the 4th suspect and that would be the person that was in the article which is Steve Croes.  So that only leaves Lorenzo and he was a witness.  A witness for whom?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 18, 2007, 01:38:32 AM
I know it is late and many monkeys are sleeping but I need special monkey prayers for the family of a little boy that drowned at a local pool yesterday. His name was Steve and he was 6 years old. I met Steve at the elementary school where my children attend as part of the afterschool program. He was the kindest and sweetest little boy ever. He always had a smile and a hug for me whenever I saw him. We have lost a truly precious soul on this earth. May Steve's family find peace in this tragedy.

TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 18, 2007, 01:42:11 AM
Thanks for the prayers.  Hi all monkeys I will talk to you tomorrow.  Hug your babies!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 01:58:04 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
I know it is late and many monkeys are sleeping but I need special monkey prayers for the family of a little boy that drowned at a local pool yesterday. His name was Steve and he was 6 years old. I met Steve at the elementary school where my children attend as part of the afterschool program. He was the kindest and sweetest little boy ever. He always had a smile and a hug for me whenever I saw him. We have lost a truly precious soul on this earth. May Steve's family find peace in this tragedy.

TIA

crazymomang.. so sorry to hear about the poor little boy.  :( god bless the little angel and his family and friends.
 i must get to bed myself.  night all..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 02:03:10 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Spock, just my opinion, but the book is the least reliable source.


I agree, but Joran is referring to statements he gave to the police while detained. that he was picked up by the schoolbus in the southern end of the island close to Lorenzo's home. Also, Max Arends, said that he was at Lorenzo's that night for an all night party. Now if Joran was picked up in that area for school, a few hours after NH dissapeared, that opens possibilities.


If you read the early post I have been tossing out all night, you see where Max was questioned sometime between Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  Yep, he was alibiing Lorenzo. "alibi, so tight, so tight"  Yep, you guys just keep laughing at my Shango/Simian dance.


"The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week with an alibi so tight"


Well we know that Steve Croes didn't have an alibi, he WAS an alibi.  What I don't understand is the earlier in the week.  Just when did Natalee meet him and are they really talking about her boyfriend?  I know some think it's Guido, but I don't know if that is the case.  Then again, if Guido was charged with heavy battery, maybe it was.  So far, the only person that fits in the time frame of the 5th suspect is either Steve or Lorenzo.  Actually, it was being reported that Lorenzo was questioned before Steve early on.  Yet, I found a news article that states van der Stratten was saying the 4th suspect and that would be the person that was in the article which is Steve Croes.  So that only leaves Lorenzo and he was a witness.  A witness for whom?


"the 5th suspect was the host of the party"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 18, 2007, 02:07:47 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
I know it is late and many monkeys are sleeping but I need special monkey prayers for the family of a little boy that drowned at a local pool yesterday. His name was Steve and he was 6 years old. I met Steve at the elementary school where my children attend as part of the afterschool program. He was the kindest and sweetest little boy ever. He always had a smile and a hug for me whenever I saw him. We have lost a truly precious soul on this earth. May Steve's family find peace in this tragedy.

TIA


Crazymom~
I will be saying prayers for his family and for all of those who knew this lil' angel. :(  May God surround this family with his unfailing love & peace.

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 18, 2007, 02:11:21 AM
Angie~
I hope you're arm is feeling better really soon. Take care of yourself and please don't overdo things, you are missed in the cage. :)

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on July 18, 2007, 06:40:18 AM
am i the only nerd watching the senate??
have been watching all night...yeah i'm a nerd.
and I'm reading all the archives!!! Thanks SM! Dugga and Red and Klaas!


Title: Good Morning
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 07:26:43 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Can we start  a list of renho's lies...and then go about debunkng them...and getting the truth out??


I'm game!!! let's start with she is pays with Jossy now!! And Jossy offered her a job!!


LOL....now that's Funny...Ok...EASY can get the truth out about that one....EASY ask Jossy :shock:


When this subject first arose a few weeks ago, I checked into the rumor.  I was told no job offer had been made and that was confirmed with others at Diario.  Further I was told that language would be a big issue when hiring for Diario, because it is an all Papiamento paper and expertise writing in that language would be a requirement.

As for this latest rumor, I am only told that he has no direct contact with Julia Renfro, so I’m not real sure what that means.  I suppose time will tell.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 07:48:52 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
["The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week with an alibi so tight"



I think this is where some have thought Lorenzo might be gay.  It was HIS boyfriend from earlier in the week not Natalee's :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
Why, I think,  Lorenzo is involved:

In the summer of 2005, a poster named Peeps came on this forum and identified himself as an Aruban who knew Lorenzo and posted the Earthquake van picture.  He said that they had gone to school together and were involved in car racing.  This man was identified as the owner of the http://www.yadoneknow.com website and the webmaster of the
http://www.boostunit.com website. His surname is Piertzz(sp).  I searched the Boost Unit website and found a forum and a section called Lounge; one of the subjects was Natalee Holloway with messages from the beginning of June 2005, (6th) between numerous posters that stated that this American girl was missing and Lorenzo had been questionned because he had had lunch with her prior to her disappearance but the posters felt that the Dutch kid had done something to her.  One poster thought she would be found in a "chollerhouse in Noord" All this was said in Aruban, but was translated by a Aruban forum member who no longer contributes.
The evidence is no longer available online.  I think the forum members were being honest and never thought their posts would be seen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 07:59:06 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Why, I think,  Lorenzo is involved:

In the summer of 2005, a poster named Peeps came on this forum and identified himself as an Aruban who knew Lorenzo and posted the Earthquake van picture.  He said that they had gone to school together and were involved in car racing.  This man was identified as the owner of the http://www.yadoneknow.com website and the webmaster of the
http://www.boostunit.com website. His surname is Piertzz(sp).  I searched the Boost Unit website and found a forum and a section called Lounge; one of the subjects was Natalee Holloway with messages from the beginning of June 2005, (6th) between numerous posters that stated that this American girl was missing and Lorenzo had been questionned because he had had lunch with her prior to her disappearance but the posters felt that the Dutch kid had done something to her.  One poster thought she would be found in a "chollerhouse in Noord" All this was said in Aruban, but was translated by a Aruban forum member who no longer contributes.
The evidence is no longer available online.  I think the forum members were being honest and never thought their posts would be seen.


Leslie,  I remember this very well, it was when Best Buddy, Karen, LilOrphan and several other codetalkers were around.  I have those posts somewhere.  Peeps was trying so hard to redirect our thinking that I am sure we were onto something closer to the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 18, 2007, 08:00:00 AM
Morning Monkeys

Leslie I agree about the early posts on that forum.
Lorenzo was brought into view very early on. I still believe he was questioned by (most likely Dennis Jacobs) about the 16th. No we have never seen a record of a statement but we also know of a statement by Joran which was seen torn up. Who is to say Lorenzo's didn't end up just like that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 08:08:38 AM
I used to love reading the codetalkers posts and I will never forget when Peeps appeared out of the clear blue.  I agree that there is a connection and that Peeps was only looking out for Lorenzo.  

Could the reason why Lorenzo was taken in for pot be that the Dutch are combing over every inch of his property?  God I would love to think that but I doubt it.

Morning all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Piertzz (sp) also said he was a close friend of Max Arendz (sp) leading me to believe that the Boost Unit site (race cars) was owned by Lorenzo's friend Max, who was probably the author of the "lunch with Lorenzo and Natalee" post.  On the yadoneknow site, there were pictures of Piertzz's (sp) birthday party, from 2005.   I assumed that the people in the pictures would be friends of the celebrant (who is non-white) and there was those pictures of a white man with a shaved head that I posted to this forum, asking if  this could be Lorenzo.  There is a picture of this "skinhead" talking to another white man with dark hair - who I assume is Max.
After I posted the link with the pictures, Peeps came on the forum to say that the pics were not of Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Piertzz (sp) also said he was a close friend of Max Arendz (sp) leading me to believe that the Boost Unit site (race cars) was owned by Lorenzo's friend Max, who was probably the author of the "lunch with Lorenzo and Natalee" post.  On the yadoneknow site, there were pictures of Piertzz's (sp) birthday party, from 2005.   I assumed that the people in the pictures would be friends of the celebrant (who is non-white) and there was those pictures of a white man with a shaved head that I posted to this forum, asking if  this could be Lorenzo.  There is a picture of this "skinhead" talking to another white man with dark hair - who I assume is Max.
After I posted the link with the pictures, Peeps came on the forum to say that the pics were not of Lorenzo.


I also think Peeps came here because his website for the speed shop tracked us back to here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 08:32:48 AM
Peeps also posted the picture of the "earthquake van"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 08:39:03 AM
In the very early days, I was at RWV and just "skimmed" SM. Of the "early birds" here at SM, when did you really notice the "change of tone" from the Aruban posters? Can you put a finger on a date? June 11th, late June etc.??
When did they get their "marching papers"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 08:40:16 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Why, I think,  Lorenzo is involved:

In the summer of 2005, a poster named Peeps came on this forum and identified himself as an Aruban who knew Lorenzo and posted the Earthquake van picture.  He said that they had gone to school together and were involved in car racing.  This man was identified as the owner of the http://www.yadoneknow.com website and the webmaster of the
http://www.boostunit.com website. His surname is Piertzz(sp).  I searched the Boost Unit website and found a forum and a section called Lounge; one of the subjects was Natalee Holloway with messages from the beginning of June 2005, (6th) between numerous posters that stated that this American girl was missing and Lorenzo had been questionned because he had had lunch with her prior to her disappearance but the posters felt that the Dutch kid had done something to her.  One poster thought she would be found in a "chollerhouse in Noord" All this was said in Aruban, but was translated by a Aruban forum member who no longer contributes.
The evidence is no longer available online.  I think the forum members were being honest and never thought their posts would be seen.



yadoneknow crew:
consisting of Luis Bryson aka dj Smash and Chris Hodge aka PietjeZz(PietjedeDood!)
Both born on the sunny caribbean island of Aruba but residing now in the Netherlands.
dj Smash,a very accomplished all around dj, but specialised in soca/jamback music! On numerous occasions was awarded youth dj of the year in Aruba and a former member of Mike's super disco.
At this time dj Smash is focusing on producing music&rhythms and starting his own studio.
PietjeZz , starting out taking pictures as a hobby, untill it became his part time job working for other websites/media.
Being the trendsetter as he is he started his own in mid 2004 and so yadoneknow.com was born. Joining forces with dj Smash at first to organise and promote parties. At this time we're on the downlow, but be sure that a comeback is in the near future!
You could find dj Smash rocking parties all over in Holland and PietjeZz doing the picture snapping and filming duties for the website!
Aside from that you could find these guys always in the free spirited feel good party mood! so if you wanna chat? just add us!

chrishodge80@hotmail.com

luisbryson@hotmail.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Why, I think,  Lorenzo is involved:

In the summer of 2005, a poster named Peeps came on this forum and identified himself as an Aruban who knew Lorenzo and posted the Earthquake van picture.  He said that they had gone to school together and were involved in car racing.  This man was identified as the owner of the http://www.yadoneknow.com website and the webmaster of the
http://www.boostunit.com website. His surname is Piertzz(sp).  I searched the Boost Unit website and found a forum and a section called Lounge; one of the subjects was Natalee Holloway with messages from the beginning of June 2005, (6th) between numerous posters that stated that this American girl was missing and Lorenzo had been questionned because he had had lunch with her prior to her disappearance but the posters felt that the Dutch kid had done something to her.  One poster thought she would be found in a "chollerhouse in Noord" All this was said in Aruban, but was translated by a Aruban forum member who no longer contributes.
The evidence is no longer available online.  I think the forum members were being honest and never thought their posts would be seen.


Are you talking about PietjeZz?? I posted some of his writings from racejunkies and RWV.  http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291&start=0

He clearly said Lorenzo was involved but stopped posting after he said so. He told me by email that he know Lorenzo's dad well and went to school with Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
In the very early days, I was at RWV and just "skimmed" SM. Of the "early birds" here at SM, when did you really notice the "change of tone" from the Aruban posters? Can you put a finger on a date? June 11th, late June etc.??
When did they get their "marching papers"?


After June 18th IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 08:47:10 AM
Morning Monkeys.

I think someone organized should compile all the stuff we know about timelines, the coverup, etc., and then Red should see about getting it all published as part of a story about the blogging experience in the NH case. If there were any profits, they could be donated to Tim Miller or some such worthy cause. Even though we don't have the real ending of the story yet, the experience itself would make very interesting reading, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 08:49:47 AM
I just rceived translations of a couple of Pietjezz posts from Racejunkies. Nothing extrodinary like his posts at RWV saying Lorenzo was involved but interesting to hear some arubans talking with out prejudice.

8-20-2003

But it's true that i heard that Lorenzo the son of the owner Paul( the one who hanged himself last year) was talking about wanting to come with a VW animal animal for a long time now, they have money, he and his dad were giving bills of 100 florin away like crazy when they invited us to trip with them.Pietjezz

6-9-2005

Off topic, do you guys remember the incident where a father and his son of a wellknown cardealership full drogged off entered a party with a car and did the madmax thing(???).... Well, some employers of C&C saw the son getting out  hand in hand with this chick. Does this mean that the 2 guys in custody are smoke screen??? GINOX

                                                            GinoX I don't get this? I know you're talking about Lorenzo and his now deceased dad Paul of VW ! I'm straight to the point!   You mean, this american chick was seen getting out of C&C hand in hand with Lorenzo?? Where did that (info) come from?  Didn't the story go that she got out( C&C) and got into a car with a dutch boy and 2 suriname??

But now i don't know if i'm getting paranoid or what, but at beginning of the week my neighbour told me that they detained Lorenzo and he has something to do with this case! I was in shock, and more so when they said that one dutch guy is involved it gave me more reason to think that it must be him!                                                                                                    A few days later they released the name of the dutch guy Joran, I thought ahn no, it's not Lorenzo ( What i thought at first)                                                                                        But what has me puzzled ( confused i think) is if you  look at diario of a few days back aparantly they arrested Joran at his house!!! But the house looks alot like Lorenzo's house at Yara/Savaneta.  So i had to ask what was going on?? Am i paranoid or how?                              What connection could Lorenzo and Joran have with each other in this case here!                                                                                                                                 And what made me post this post is the post of GinoX!

Gino can you explain what you mean or someone else please!! confused confused.Pietjezz


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
In the very early days, I was at RWV and just "skimmed" SM. Of the "early birds" here at SM, when did you really notice the "change of tone" from the Aruban posters? Can you put a finger on a date? June 11th, late June etc.??
When did they get their "marching papers"?

The day Paul was arrested.  June 16th?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 18, 2007, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I swear this poster reminds me of Tylergal...all her posts have thus far.  Are you guys reading any of this stuff?  

Selena



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Southeast USA
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Did anyone see the interview with Ivan, friend of the brithers, he said Carlos N' charlies is in the Hot Zone, where they sell exstacy,..he knew that as a local..the other bar they were heading out to, to round up stragglers, is a place where call girls hang out, Mumbo
Jumbo's...do you see where this investigation is headed????



Good morning monkeys... :D

I am four pages back...still reading all these good quotes...but I don't
think I have ever seen Tylergal misspell a word.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 09:00:52 AM
Morning all,

If you locate old posts regarding Lorenzo please post those in the race junkies thread. I would like to compile all the posts as I feel the same as many of you that he is involved..

I am all for gathering as much info as we can about the coverup or any important topics that we can to find the truth about what happened to Natalee. No doubt you have to go back to the beginning to find any truth..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I swear this poster reminds me of Tylergal...all her posts have thus far.  Are you guys reading any of this stuff?  

Selena



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Southeast USA
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Did anyone see the interview with Ivan, friend of the brithers, he said Carlos N' charlies is in the Hot Zone, where they sell exstacy,..he knew that as a local..the other bar they were heading out to, to round up stragglers, is a place where call girls hang out, Mumbo
Jumbo's...do you see where this investigation is headed????



Good morning monkeys... :D

I am four pages back...still reading all these good quotes...but I don't
think I have ever seen Tylergal misspell a word.... :wink:


Morning, MeMere!
Yes, Tylergal is very articulate!!!  
And ...  I miss her. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 09:02:26 AM
AM Digital article on june 4th 2005
Authorities decided to decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men who were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared they took Natalee to that area had sex with her,and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort.



(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/amAruba.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 09:02:45 AM
Oh, and
MORNING Monkeys!!!!

I'm half asleep here! Its a rainy, lazy day!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 09:05:35 AM
Well, if nothing else, Lorenzo has always been a very interesting person. (Person of Interest?)
It will be interesting to see how this dentention of his shakes out.
It is odd also how so many in Aruba would run to his defense right from the get-go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, if nothing else, Lorenzo has always been a very interesting person. (Person of Interest?)
It will be interesting to see how this dentention of his shakes out.
It is odd also how so many in Aruba would run to his defense right from the get-go.

They didn't want their source for drugs interrupted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sb on July 18, 2007, 09:41:13 AM
Just jumping in with a quick thought...

I have always found it interesting that NO Mountain Brook kids ever have mentioned any "boyfriend from earlier in the week" in any way, shape or form. They WOULD NOT hold out on evidence that important.

They have never mentioned Lorenzo, or Koen either. They have mentioned GVCromvoirt as being a guy who got fresh with Natalee and she spurned him. THAT sounds accurate.

Natalee was certainly not the only attractive blonde 18-year-old girl on the island that weekend. The Arubans have her confused with someone (or someones) else.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 09:44:08 AM
Morning All-

This is for our Peaches (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/cheerleader2.gif)


Leslie-

Last night I ran across an early photo Klaas found, of who we suspected was Lorenzo walking inside of the VDS compound. I'd forgotten about it, it's a shot through the trees and I believe taken around the time John Merryweather held that press conference? I'm running a search right now to find it again, as soon as I do I'll post it. But seeing that photo again and remembering the timing.........well for me, it raises lots of questions about why so many lies were told to conceal Lorenzo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, if nothing else, Lorenzo has always been a very interesting person. (Person of Interest?)
It will be interesting to see how this dentention of his shakes out.
It is odd also how so many in Aruba would run to his defense right from the get-go.

They didn't want their source for drugs interrupted.


Most likely!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 09:47:24 AM
SB-

I agree and I think because the MB kids were instructed not to publicly discuss the case which I happen to agree with, there were no public voices saying "no" around Renfro's wild tales about boyfriends. I also think Renfro constructed that taxi driver's crazy report about Natalee and the blond/blue-eyed boyfriend.

You can say just about anything, like flinging spaghetti against a wall until it sticks, if you don't have others corroborating publicly it's a lie. It's Renfro's specialty....... :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.

Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation? :arrow:


simple, the narcissist sociopath in him couldn't resist that 'trophy'

Why does Joran want to get back at the National Enquirer so badly.  Why does he want to prove them wrong about something to go so far as to make a photoshop picture and hope they would buy it from him.  I believe most of those Enquirer articles are the truth and he is pissed at one particular article.  I would love to know which article it was that struck a nerve for him to even try something like this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 09:55:09 AM
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americaninaruba
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:23 am    Post subject:    

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DT wrote:
Unconfirmed but someone just posted this a riehlworldview.com:

This fourth guy has been arrested and also very known on the island. He is a Dutch guy whose father commited suicide a few ago.


well ive had no confirmation that it was him, but this guy was a suspect since the begining.....this guy went "nuts" since his fatehr died....he apparently has underground parties and such...hes crazy......like he doesnt give a shit about anything! but he has a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro......lets see what happens......will keep you posted.....again they have hopes she is still alivce!
 


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NativeLingo



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:00 pm    Post subject:    

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This "Lorenzo" kid's name was mentioned from the very beginning..In fact it is the first name I heard when this whole thing started....

My guess is that he must have been involved with her sometime during her trip, and that they are now bringing in EVERYBODY that had come in contact with her....

(from what I hear, "lorenzo" is ONE troublemaker...... )
 


Sorry, if this is a repeat, but I've been lost in archives...& I hope I did the quotes correctly.  It struck me that both posters were saying Lorenzo was mentioned from the beginning...which may be why we heard drug dealer as early as the 30th/31st.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)



Yes we've seen this and it is Lorenzo walking with 3 others (sorry Lala's) I distinctly see, but we spent a night or two arguing about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 10:01:11 AM
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:07:32 AM
MsVada-

I knew Klaas had posted it and we'd discussed it when she first found the photo, I guess my interest around it today was in revisiting it NOW knowing from his photo in the Diario it is him - just alerts me as to why he was at the VDS home at that point in time? Do I have that wrong? Was this taken at the VDS home? When Klaas has a chance I'm sure she will tell me.

San-

I not sure I believe Joran thought the NE would buy the photo as real but that he found it funny and sensational enough to try to sell it? Any fool should know by that time it was well known he had never been to MB?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:10:54 AM
a footnote, that photo he photoshopped was from Virginia's facebook photos which is why I know it was taken in MB, duh guess I should have stated that. The very fact Joran did it to me, just affirms how sick his mind is !! I also think people at RU found the photos for him for at that time, you had to be a college student to even use Facebook, that has since changed. Virginia's photo album was public when this photo emerged......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 10:13:49 AM
Well, If I remember correctly, it was a former poster that put it here, and she claims it was taken at Astrid's house.....

I found it interesting because of the talk about LVR and his possibility of being gay and the very close similarities to this house that belongs to Astrid and the B&B that is also called Little David's Aruba, which caters to the gays.  

Please, I mean no disrespect towards any gay people.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:19:07 AM
ok thanks for the update MsVada, I couldn't remember exactly where the photo was taken !

hi-ho off to work I go.....sigh !!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)


Oh dear. This is the pix that launched a thousand leg counts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 18, 2007, 10:26:26 AM
ms.marple...was that 3 and 1/2 people....the final decision.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:



Yes..I can't remember where either, but I have seen it several times and it is the most ridiculous thing I have read (well, almost). SEND NATALEE all alone to score drugs for her MB friends..in a foreign land??? HAHAHAHA!LMFFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! HOW EFFIN stupid is that!! How anyone expected any of us to believe that is beyond comprehension. These peeps just crack me up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 10:30:37 AM
Obviously that is not a picture of THE Lorenzo because we know what he looks like from the Diario pictures of his arrest.  That walking guy, in the
picture, has dark hair, and the real Lorenzo is a skinhead.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:



Yes..I can't remember where either, but I have seen it several times and it is the most ridiculous thing I have read (well, almost). SEND NATALEE all alone to score drugs for her MB friends..in a foreign land??? HAHAHAHA!LMFFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! HOW EFFIN stupid is that!! How anyone expected any of us to believe that is beyond comprehension. These peeps just crack me up.

The sad thing is they really expected us to believe it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 18, 2007, 10:33:07 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Good morning Monkeys :)

Yes, I remember discussion about Natalee making a drug run.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: the big hammer on July 18, 2007, 10:33:32 AM
Trophy Taking

igsigs wrote:  Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.  Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation?

Internet & digital camera.  Odd how these appear, and reappear, so frequently with goon child.  His perverse need to memorialize his lying in written form was overwhelmed by his need to supply more lies through visualization: the photo-shopped picture.

Further evidence of his deviance and re-application of the tools he is familiar with in trophy-taking during previous events: Loco Stefy, crotch biting, garroting, an all the rest.  This time used to plant false impression of earlier relationship with Natalee.

The trophy pictures always worked for him -- why not for everyone else?

No wonder the self important poster from Scrux, Daniel, was horrified at this development.

Yes, it was tasteless, and disrespectful, and quite stupid to think that such a stunt could possibly be pulled off.

But it is also quite firm evidence of his guilty conscience, which he cannot suppress successfully all the time.  And also evidence that he is a sociopath.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:



Yes..I can't remember where either, but I have seen it several times and it is the most ridiculous thing I have read (well, almost). SEND NATALEE all alone to score drugs for her MB friends..in a foreign land??? HAHAHAHA!LMFFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! HOW EFFIN stupid is that!! How anyone expected any of us to believe that is beyond comprehension. These peeps just crack me up.


Just want to be clear...I don't believe it, but was trying to tie in all these things somehow, even by the date of the post....can't find it, anyway.   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:35:21 AM
Leslie -  I guess I just have a different opinion. In the winter my son has lots of hair and in the summer he's a skinhead too? I actually think it is him but it's not important enough for further discussion. Lorenzo draws enough fire as it is  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 18, 2007, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)


Oh dear. This is the pix that launched a thousand leg counts.


 :lol:  :lol:  I remember that well!

Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 10:41:25 AM
I guess we should do a photo comparison between the walking hairy Lorenzo and the arrested (for drugs) skinhead Lorenzo who is clearly indentified as Lorenzo van Rijn (after being called van Gijn, etc.)  
I don't think these two men have the same body or style of clothing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 10:42:52 AM
...and does walking Lorenzo look like the man behind the wheel of the Earthquake van?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:48:29 AM
I think it's too hard to tell:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/LorenzoCompare.jpg)

No good way to compare the "walking" Lorenzo to the van photo.  Here's a comparison of the real Lorenzo to the van photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovancompare.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 18, 2007, 10:49:12 AM
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(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)[/quote]

I never realized this picture was taken on the VDS compound.  How strange is that??  I thought it was taken on a beach somewhere.  Who is that walking with him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:52:26 AM
AZsunny - it wasn't taken at the VDS compound.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 10:53:01 AM
:shock: I see similarities now - the ear, the hairline, the creases around the mouth, the stooped stance.  It just might be the same guy.  Thanks... Oh Great One...  Klaas. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:53:58 AM
oh no AZ it was NOT taken on the VDS compound, I speculated that from memory but MsVada confirmed it was at Astrid's home - his mother?

sorry for creating any confusion ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
:shock: I see similarities now - the ear, the hairline, the creases around the mouth, the stooped stance.  It just might be the same guy.  Thanks... Oh Great One...  Klaas. :lol:


thanks Leslie, I do think the hairline matches and I looking at his shoulders in the arrest photos, he's not a tiny person  :? he has a larger frame just like Joran


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh no AZ it was NOT taken on the VDS compound, I speculated that from memory but MsVada confirmed it was at Astrid's home - his mother?

sorry for creating any confusion ....


Nones,  I can only tell you that the poster Florida was the one who said it was Astrid's house,  I don't know that as a fact.  

I have no idea who he's walking with, but I thought  I read that Astrid was a blonde?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)



Yes we've seen this and it is Lorenzo walking with 3 others (sorry Lala's) I distinctly see, but we spent a night or two arguing about it.



OMG!!! Not again...it's not another person...just ask Klaas.  It's a leg from Lorenzo.  LOL  

Morning everyone.  BTW I did not say that Selena WAS Tylergal...I said she sounds like Tylergal.  Trust me on this one...just once please.  It's not Tylergal...but this person is very smart like her.  I can see I will need more pencils today.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 11:01:38 AM
That is NOT Astrid is the photo but the other man could be Charles August Croes - makes you go HMMMmmmm.  Astrid is a petite blonde.
(With all that van Rijn money - couldn't they fix their only son's ears?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:



Yes..I can't remember where either, but I have seen it several times and it is the most ridiculous thing I have read (well, almost). SEND NATALEE all alone to score drugs for her MB friends..in a foreign land??? HAHAHAHA!LMFFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! HOW EFFIN stupid is that!! How anyone expected any of us to believe that is beyond comprehension. These peeps just crack me up.


Just want to be clear...I don't believe it, but was trying to tie in all these things somehow, even by the date of the post....can't find it, anyway.   :(


Oh we know that!! Not to fear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
The woman in the photo is NOT Astrid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 18, 2007, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
AZsunny - it wasn't taken at the VDS compound.


OK thanks, I was behind as usual.   I think it is him, it looks very similar to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 11:16:21 AM
Quote
Jul 18, 7:07 AM EDT

Trying Process for Families of Missing

By MARCUS FRANKLIN
Associated Press Writer
 
NEW YORK (AP) -- Two days after their daughter disappeared during a trip to the Miami area, Steve and Sylvia Henry left their New York home for Florida in search of answers. That was seven weeks ago.

Bills quickly piled up, forcing Steve Henry to return to New York to his job building transit trains. His wife stayed behind in Florida to look for Stepha, 22.

"I don't want to think the worst," Steve Henry said. "I want my daughter alive. I don't entertain a thought to say the worst happened to her because I want her back home alive.

"We have to go through this each day," he went on. "It's hard. Very, very hard."

Their experience echoes those of families elsewhere dealing with the endless questions about what happened to their missing loved ones. But the anxiety often goes beyond the grief typically associated with such tragedies.

In the case of the Henrys, Sylvia had to put her bank job in New York on hold while she helps with the search. She lives more than 1,000 miles apart from her husband and their other daughter. Her day consists of handing out fliers, praying and reading the Bible and talking to news media and police.

There's also the financial burden of committing so much effort to finding a missing loved one.

Dave Holloway estimates his family spent nearly $15,000 the week his daughter Natalee disappeared during a 2005 high school graduation trip to Aruba. His first cell phone bill after her disappearance was $2,500, although the cell phone company reduced it to about $1,600.

The family has spent tens of thousands of dollars for lawyers on unsuccessful wrongful death lawsuits against suspects. Although police arrested several men early in the case, including three with whom Natalee was last seen leaving a bar, they were released.

There's also the emotional toll. Holloway said he no longer hunts, or swims or tinkers in the yard as much as he did before his daughter's disappearance.

"You get up thinking about it in the morning. It enters your mind all day long until you go to bed at night," Holloway said. "There's not an hour that goes by that it doesn't cross your mind. You think maybe today will be the day."

Although Natalee Holloway's disappearance received much more attention than Stepha Henry's, there are similarities.

Both disappeared during a Memorial Day weekend. Both were to have caught a plane home the day they disappeared, and both were packed and ready to go. Henry and her 16-year-old sister, Shola, were visiting relatives for the holiday.

Stepha was last seen at her relatives' home getting into a black sedan with a man. She spoke to her mother on the phone that night, saying she was going to a nightclub. She was seen in a promotional video taken at the club that night.

"I knew that something was wrong because of the expression on her face," Steve Henry said of the video. "She wasn't happy about something. But I can't say what it is. This is why I'm so eager to find out what happened to my daughter."

Across the United States, tens of thousands of families are coping with the disappearance of a relative. There are nearly 51,000 active cases of missing adults, according to the National Center for Missing Adults. For children, about 2,200 are reported missing a year, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children said.

Their families deal with the pain in many ways.

John Walsh, whose 6-year-old son disappeared from a Florida mall in 1981 two weeks before his head was discovered, has made a career of child-protection advocacy and as host of the TV show "America's Most Wanted."

"The not knowing drives you crazy," Walsh said. "If your child is murdered and the remains are found, that ends that chapter in your life. The not knowing is the really, really horrible torture."

The rest of Adam Walsh's remains were never recovered, and no one was ever charged in the case. "It's like a mortal wound that scabs over but never heals," John Walsh said.

Beth Holloway, Natalee's mother, is writing a book about her ordeal.

This fall, HarperOne, an imprint of HarperCollins, will publish "Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith."

Dave Holloway said he sometimes spends hours on the phone at his insurance office in Mississippi pursuing tips or leads in the case. But he can't allow himself to be totally consumed by it.

"You have to go back to work and take care of your family and all the other things before this happened," said Holloway, who divorced Beth long before Natalee's disappearance and is remarried.

When Steve Henry thinks about his missing daughter, he said he misses the sisterly bickering over clothes that once filled his home as he tried to watch television. Now, he said, the home is eerily quiet: Shola doesn't say much or venture into her sister's room, and her mother is in Florida looking for answers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 18, 2007, 11:20:31 AM
Good morning.  
Working and lurking as usual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 18, 2007, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.  
Working and lurking as usual.


Good morning, peaches.....I am trying to behave....I think I am
in Lala's book.... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)


Oh dear. This is the pix that launched a thousand leg counts.


 :lol:  :lol:  I remember that well!

Good Morning Monkeys!



I always thought the woman could be that Grace Maduro ? from Aruba Today (with her laptop).  She was in that picture with Julia, Angela, Tito and all.  Same bad hair dye job.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.  
Working and lurking as usual.


Good morning, peaches.....I am trying to behave....I think I am
in Lala's book.... :shock:


Well... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 18, 2007, 11:29:56 AM
ms.marple....that article is heartbreaking....thank you for bringing it....
every bar should have cameras that work....both inside and outside....
every parent should be able to know where to begin in looking for their
child....and every police department should take these cases seriously.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Forgive me if Klaas posted it recently, I don't recall seeing it but here it is, I can make it larger but just didn't want to blow the margins

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/lorenzoncompany-hishouse.jpg)



Yes we've seen this and it is Lorenzo walking with 3 others (sorry Lala's) I distinctly see, but we spent a night or two arguing about it.



OMG!!! Not again...it's not another person...just ask Klaas.  It's a leg from Lorenzo.  LOL  

  :roll:


Lala's,  I respectfully disagree and if I could outline the legs, I would be able to show you, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree until I can figure out how to prove it to you.  You can clearly see both of Lorenzo's legs and then that one underneath the black bag or whatever it is.  The bend is not natural to Lorenzo's leg nor do the shorts fit that leg.  I am   So sorry, I don't want to cause a fight, but I'm sticking to my guns that I am right this time.

I'll move along then.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.  
Working and lurking as usual.


Good morning, peaches.....I am trying to behave....I think I am
in Lala's book.... :shock:


I'm almost sure I am, :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:48:30 AM
No one is in my book... at this moment. LOL  I am not arguing the leg scenario again.  I know how many legs are there.   I need to leave  it at that because I am sure there is someone who will come along later and find an additional leg there also.  It's just like those pics of the plastic bag...I have trouble with them so I consider us all still friends even when there is disagreement.  Actually, I like it when someone else states otherwise.  It causes me to re-examine my own interpretations and thoughts. That is how I have finally concluded that Lorenzo is the 5th suspect...well...maybe...I think...I could be wrong...if not him, then who....see you guys have me all mixed up now.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 18, 2007, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:



Why would Natalee need to make a drug run? Drugs are sold out in the eide open in Aruba. In the town square, on the beaches, in front of Carlos & Charlies.

Aruba is a drug dealer's paradise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
No one is in my book... at this moment. LOL  I am not arguing the leg scenario again.  I know how many legs are there.   I need to leave  it at that because I am sure there is someone who will come along later and find an additional leg there also.  It's just like those pics of the plastic bag...I have trouble with them so I consider us all still friends even when there is disagreement.  Actually, I like it when someone else states otherwise.  It causes me to re-examine my own interpretations and thoughts. That is how I have finally concluded that Lorenzo is the 5th suspect...well...maybe...I think...I could be wrong...if not him, then who....see you guys have me all mixed up now.  :lol:  :lol:


Lala's,

I've been checking out Lorenzo info this AM.  Your conclusion about the 5th was mentioned on the FP...only thing is that he was deemed a witness, not suspect.  Here's the link to that FP post....I was in comments when I saved it, so scroll up to the top to read....also notice americaninaruba was the source.

http://tinyurl.com/34y558


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 18, 2007, 12:04:37 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Trophy Taking

igsigs wrote:  Scrux posted Joran's excuse from his book concerning the photoshop pic he ordered showing him and Natalee together. He said he did it to *get back* at the NationalEnquirer but the quality was too poor to sell it to them.  Any cyber-shrinks wanna take a stab at this picture/explanation?

Internet & digital camera.  Odd how these appear, and reappear, so frequently with goon child.  His perverse need to memorialize his lying in written form was overwhelmed by his need to supply more lies through visualization: the photo-shopped picture.

Further evidence of his deviance and re-application of the tools he is familiar with in trophy-taking during previous events: Loco Stefy, crotch biting, garroting, an all the rest.  This time used to plant false impression of earlier relationship with Natalee.

The trophy pictures always worked for him -- why not for everyone else?

No wonder the self important poster from Scrux, Daniel, was horrified at this development.

Yes, it was tasteless, and disrespectful, and quite stupid to think that such a stunt could possibly be pulled off.

But it is also quite firm evidence of his guilty conscience, which he cannot suppress successfully all the time.  And also evidence that he is a sociopath.

.



I recall  DeVries also referring to the photo as a trophy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Hotshot on July 18, 2007, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Piertzz (sp) also said he was a close friend of Max Arendz (sp) leading me to believe that the Boost Unit site (race cars) was owned by Lorenzo's friend Max, who was probably the author of the "lunch with Lorenzo and Natalee" post.  On the yadoneknow site, there were pictures of Piertzz's (sp) birthday party, from 2005.   I assumed that the people in the pictures would be friends of the celebrant (who is non-white) and there was those pictures of a white man with a shaved head that I posted to this forum, asking if  this could be Lorenzo.  There is a picture of this "skinhead" talking to another white man with dark hair - who I assume is Max.
After I posted the link with the pictures, Peeps came on the forum to say that the pics were not of Lorenzo.


I also think Peeps came here because his website for the speed shop tracked us back to here.


If you go here, you will find the same people.  http://racejunkies.com/  Havent gotten too far yet, but sorry if someone already posted it.  I signed up for them, but no-one wants to talk anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
I know it is late and many monkeys are sleeping but I need special monkey prayers for the family of a little boy that drowned at a local pool yesterday. His name was Steve and he was 6 years old. I met Steve at the elementary school where my children attend as part of the afterschool program. He was the kindest and sweetest little boy ever. He always had a smile and a hug for me whenever I saw him. We have lost a truly precious soul on this earth. May Steve's family find peace in this tragedy.

TIA


just too sad, too sad... I will add them to my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:09:05 PM
I am still reading the old posts and one thing I do find more than anything in these old archives is the recurring theme of conflict among the legit posters and the trolls.  I suspect, as others do, that the marching orders from the top came around June 18.  The main Aruban posters were suspiciously quiet that day and on into the night.  

Let's look at this...June 16, 17, 18 were days that several people were questioned, released and arrested.  That tells me that after Steve Croes was told to shut up and stop offering alibis and Lorenzo was questioned and then provided an alibi and there were two Dutch brothers (not sure if it's the Gottenbros or not) questioned and they provided info that lead to other people being questioned someone stepped in and said STFU.   The massive, hide the truth at all costs, cover up came around this time.  A person in power looked at the future possibilities and said "we can't let this happen".  Why? Because they knew Natalee was dead and they knew who was responsible.  All that could be seen was all that money laundering and drug running and profits going down the deep abyss that eventually all the evidence went down.  After this date I think very little reliable information came out to help us.

Also, please note that this is the time that Simian showed up to begin the great journey into the world of code talkers and dancing.  (Sorry, just had to  get that in there, too.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I swear this poster reminds me of Tylergal...all her posts have thus far.  Are you guys reading any of this stuff?  

Selena



Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Southeast USA
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Did anyone see the interview with Ivan, friend of the brithers, he said Carlos N' charlies is in the Hot Zone, where they sell exstacy,..he knew that as a local..the other bar they were heading out to, to round up stragglers, is a place where call girls hang out, Mumbo
Jumbo's...do you see where this investigation is headed????



Good morning monkeys... :D

I am four pages back...still reading all these good quotes...but I don't
think I have ever seen Tylergal misspell a word.... :wink:


You are absolutely right MeMere, Tyler has immpecable English and spelling!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
ms.marple....that article is heartbreaking....thank you for bringing it....
every bar should have cameras that work....both inside and outside....
every parent should be able to know where to begin in looking for their
child....and every police department should take these cases seriously.


exactly and every person should be taken seriously... just like Cole Jackson.. his sister on Dana Monday night, she just wants to know what happened to her brother.

As for Stepha Henry, it is so similar to the NH case... the thread on her is interesting but same kind of BS coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:21:55 PM
well as usual, I cleared the board.  see ya! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
No one is in my book... at this moment. LOL  I am not arguing the leg scenario again.  I know how many legs are there.   I need to leave  it at that because I am sure there is someone who will come along later and find an additional leg there also.  It's just like those pics of the plastic bag...I have trouble with them so I consider us all still friends even when there is disagreement.  Actually, I like it when someone else states otherwise.  It causes me to re-examine my own interpretations and thoughts. That is how I have finally concluded that Lorenzo is the 5th suspect...well...maybe...I think...I could be wrong...if not him, then who....see you guys have me all mixed up now.  :lol:  :lol:


Lala's,

I've been checking out Lorenzo info this AM.  Your conclusion about the 5th was mentioned on the FP...only thing is that he was deemed a witness, not suspect.  Here's the link to that FP post....I was in comments when I saved it, so scroll up to the top to read....also notice americaninaruba was the source.

http://tinyurl.com/34y558


I posted the info on Lorenzo that was being discussed late last night.  The posters were referring to Lorenzo as being brought in BEFORE Steve Croes.  They also referred to him as a WITNESS at the time.  I asked what was he a witness to or for?  Thus this reference by Simian...the talk and rumors were continuing until finally Siman tried to clear up the 5th suspect and this is what he said:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.



 You are correct master porcelain bowl cleaner!  Lorenzo surfaced as being questioned on the 16 and 17 of June.  After that the massive effort to confuse and hide things began in full.  Shango never mentions Lorenzo.  It is another poster that does that.  Since my Shango is incomplete, I am not sure if there was a reply to that post by Shango for certain. Maybe our  more intelligent posters will be able to help me on this. I am limited in my Shango knowledge even after all this time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
well as usual, I cleared the board.  see ya! :roll:


Haha!  :lol:

Afternoon, morning monkeys.  I'm going to start trying to piece together this past years timeline, Mine goes as far as June 2006.  I will also be updating the WHO'S WHO threads.  If anyone wants to help or send me info,  I will gladly appreciate it.  Klaas has my address.


Title: Also for peaches
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 18, 2007, 12:33:12 PM
Howdy none  Hope this ok with you but please let me add (((((( Peaches ))))))
 Gentel Hugs for our Peaches also  she;s a great woman <G>
                        Jerry from Ohio



Quote from: "nonesuche"
Morning All-

This is for our Peaches (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/cheerleader2.gif)


Leslie-

Last night I ran across an early photo Klaas found, of who we suspected was Lorenzo walking inside of the VDS compound. I'd forgotten about it, it's a shot through the trees and I believe taken around the time John Merryweather held that press conference? I'm running a search right now to find it again, as soon as I do I'll post it. But seeing that photo again and remembering the timing.........well for me, it raises lots of questions about why so many lies were told to conceal Lorenzo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
well as usual, I cleared the board.  see ya! :roll:


Haha!  :lol:

Afternoon, morning monkeys.  I'm going to start trying to piece together this past years timeline, Mine goes as far as June 2006.  I will also be updating the WHO'S WHO threads.  If anyone wants to help or send me info,  I will gladly appreciate it.  Klaas has my address.

I always get huffy and then come back anyway...

SunnyinTx had a great idea to post all of Renfro's lies and put the truth in there to combat the stories.. for example Lala's or someone brought up the lie I had forgotten about natalee having lunch with some guy, I don't believe that for one second, I think one of hte MB kids would have said it if it were true.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 12:40:05 PM
Mrs. Red - please check your email when you get a chance.  I sent something for Red to add to the front page of SM for the Lunsford post.

If you could make sure Red sees it I'd appreciate it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 12:43:36 PM
Klaas.. will do.. I have to run out in a second but I will make sure he gets it..

bye monkeys...

keep the faith!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
well as usual, I cleared the board.  see ya! :roll:


No you didn't.  I was off trying to compose a post without spelling errors.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.

Maybe they meant the old guy sitting next to her at the casino (Paulus) and was hitting on her.  Maybe they are trying to tell us in so many ways it was Paulus the perve.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.

Maybe they meant the old guy sitting next to her at the casino (Paulus) and was hitting on her.  Maybe they are trying to tell us in so many ways it was Paulus the perve.


Hadn't thought of that. See this is why we need to keep talking and disagreeing.  It causes us all to rethink and refocus. Is that a word? "refocus".  I just hate it when I have to write myself in the book. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 18, 2007, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.

Maybe they meant the old guy sitting next to her at the casino (Paulus) and was hitting on her.  Maybe they are trying to tell us in so many ways it was Paulus the perve.


Hadn't thought of that. See this is why we need to keep talking and disagreeing.  It causes us all to rethink and refocus. Is that a word? "refocus".  I just hate it when I have to write myself in the book. :roll:

Also wanted to add that earlier in the week might have been earlier in the day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?



Maybe it was Max Arends (is he Dilma's son?) and he said he was at Lorenzo's.  They say he was questioned first.  Jaime C. is questioned about Max Arends.  Haven't seen anything from the Joran book about Lorenzo or Max....makes me suspicious  :wink: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?



Maybe it was Max Arends (is he Dilma's son?) and he said he was at Lorenzo's.  They say he was questioned first.  Jaime C. is questioned about Max Arends.  Haven't seen anything from the Joran book about Lorenzo or Max....makes me suspicious  :wink: .


Yes, it does make one suspicious.  Those of you that dance with me will know that Simian made reference to this:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.


Maybe Lorenzo is the one person that Joran fears in some way.  You know, when you are running drugs for powerful people and laundering their money in the local casinos, things can get dicey when the entire operation is about to be exposed.  I am sure you get my drift here. JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 01:28:27 PM
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No, Selena is not Tylergal but a wonderful researcher and poster in her own right.  She is the one who first made the connection of Michael Poser and Murder Mansion and all that AFAIK.

She posted at RWV and I have tried to find her since she left.  I still miss her and also miss Tylergal very much.   :(  But I understand and don't blame either one of them as I feel the same way at times myself.  There were a couple of other exceptional posters there, Professor and ProudRedNeck and we did all night sessions in the beginning, prowling through chat rooms and looking everywhere and at anything we could find.  

LALA's, I have to disagree.  I don't think dissenting views are welcome at all and so I will stay out of the Lorenzo discussion.

*******, you asked me twice what I thought about the racejunkies?Lorenzo then when I answer, apparently wrong answer and you accuse of wanting to fight all the time about Lorenzo.

All I want is proof, something, anything concrete other than rumors.
The disinformation started immediately to some extent even among the first posters and Arubans.  Remember the Deepak letter was dated very early in June and posted.

Rudy Croes gave a speech of some kind about it being disloyal to Aruba to discuss.  I think that may have quelled some of the posting.

Remember lots of the people in Aruba are there only on work permits which Croes controls.

I think they would say whatever he told them to say.

JM unwelcome opinion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:28:54 PM
This poster recognized right off the bat that things were not right...

Whitney
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: California
   
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:26 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Here's something that borders fact-minus-one...

The local posters are conspicuously absent for the last 24 hours...even approaching 30...NO?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 01:30:30 PM
I among many don't believe that Natalee had lunch or dinner with any Aruba local. So there.

* * *
O/T -

Are any of you Alabama folks reading about a town called Lipscomb? I’ve seen several blips … this is one of those stories that shouldn’t be funny, but it is.

Here is a roundup (various sources) --

The mayor recently was found to be driving a car that had been stolen from somewhere in Virginia, abandoned in/near Lipscomb, impounded, and then … poof! – gone again, until it was connected to the mayor. He may be facing a Grand Theft Auto charge, or whatever charge applies to stealing a car from the impound lot.

Then it was revealed that the mayor had been convicted of felony burglary in Birmingham in 1994, and theoretically is not eligible to hold public office. He apparently is not going to resign as mayor unless or until somebody makes him.

Then mayor’s name is … Simon Speights. Or, Simon Speight (at the time of the burgulary). Or maybe Samon Speights (per the phone book).

But, wait, there’s more!  A Lipscomb Council member was also the police commissioner. He resigned as commissioner after being charged with four felonies in three days – stalking, impersonating a police officer, and bribery and extortion. Apparently he is still serving on the Council.  

AND MORE! Another Council member - who also is chief of the volunteer fire department - was charged with impersonating a police officer. AND, while he was out on bail, he was arrested (by Mountain Brook police) on a domestic violence charge involving his almost ex-wife.

“Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Randy Christian said his department determined some Lipscomb police and other public officials had been terrorizing the community at large.”

In a gesture of appeasement, the Police Dept. held a free car wash at City Hall for residents. (Evidently water shortage is not one of the area’s complaints?)

How many Council members can there be in Lipscomb?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
Anna
I understand you think Lorenzo isn't involved at all and may constitute a red herring in all this.  I truly respect your opinion.  I have no problem with it at all.  I have long had dissenting opinions on things that I too, would not mention in order to avoid conflict.   Do I have this correct that you continue to believe that Lorenzo is not a key player here?  Please, know that I am not trying to cause a ruckus...I just want to be clear on what you think.  You are most assuredly one of the more intelligent posters we have, especially when it comes to level-headed thinking and fact finding.  BTW I am just talking to Anna right now, so please, everyone bear with me.  I don't have an email addy or I would do this in private. Sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
No one is in my book... at this moment. LOL  I am not arguing the leg scenario again.  I know how many legs are there.   I need to leave  it at that because I am sure there is someone who will come along later and find an additional leg there also.  It's just like those pics of the plastic bag...I have trouble with them so I consider us all still friends even when there is disagreement.  Actually, I like it when someone else states otherwise.  It causes me to re-examine my own interpretations and thoughts. That is how I have finally concluded that Lorenzo is the 5th suspect...well...maybe...I think...I could be wrong...if not him, then who....see you guys have me all mixed up now.  :lol:  :lol:


Lala's,

I've been checking out Lorenzo info this AM.  Your conclusion about the 5th was mentioned on the FP...only thing is that he was deemed a witness, not suspect.  Here's the link to that FP post....I was in comments when I saved it, so scroll up to the top to read....also notice americaninaruba was the source.

http://tinyurl.com/34y558


I posted the info on Lorenzo that was being discussed late last night.  The posters were referring to Lorenzo as being brought in BEFORE Steve Croes.  They also referred to him as a WITNESS at the time.  I asked what was he a witness to or for?  Thus this reference by Simian...the talk and rumors were continuing until finally Siman tried to clear up the 5th suspect and this is what he said:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.



 You are correct master porcelain bowl cleaner!  Lorenzo surfaced as being questioned on the 16 and 17 of June.  After that the massive effort to confuse and hide things began in full.  Shango never mentions Lorenzo.  It is another poster that does that.  Since my Shango is incomplete, I am not sure if there was a reply to that post by Shango for certain. Maybe our  more intelligent posters will be able to help me on this. I am limited in my Shango knowledge even after all this time.


Lala's, just seeing this as I had to be away for a bit.  I'm not sure I can help with the Shango posts, and also did miss several pages last night, and will go back to read.  

I found 2 posts in the archive and quoted them a page or so ago...one was 'americaninaruba' & the other 'NativeLingo'.  On 6/17/05, AM & PM respectively, both said that they knew or heard of Lorenzo being involved from the beginning....this lead me to revisit the posts mentioning him and the FP comments from that date.  Now, maybe I'll go back further...to see if there's anything from locals in those FP comment sections.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I among many don't believe that Natalee had lunch or dinner with any Aruba local. So there.

* * *
O/T -

Are any of you Alabama folks reading about a town called Lipscomb? I’ve seen several blips … this is one of those stories that shouldn’t be funny, but it is.

Here is a roundup (various sources) --

The mayor recently was found to be driving a car that had been stolen from somewhere in Virginia, abandoned in/near Lipscomb, impounded, and then … poof! – gone again, until it was connected to the mayor. He may be facing a Grand Theft Auto charge, or whatever charge applies to stealing a car from the impound lot.

Then it was revealed that the mayor had been convicted of felony burglary in Birmingham in 1994, and theoretically is not eligible to hold public office. He apparently is not going to resign as mayor unless or until somebody makes him.

Then mayor’s name is … Simon Speights. Or, Simon Speight (at the time of the burgulary). Or maybe Samon Speights (per the phone book).

But, wait, there’s more!  A Lipscomb Council member was also the police commissioner. He resigned as commissioner after being charged with four felonies in three days – stalking, impersonating a police officer, and bribery and extortion. Apparently he is still serving on the Council.  

AND MORE! Another Council member - who also is chief of the volunteer fire department - was charged with impersonating a police officer. AND, while he was out on bail, he was arrested (by Mountain Brook police) on a domestic violence charge involving his almost ex-wife.

“Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Randy Christian said his department determined some Lipscomb police and other public officials had been terrorizing the community at large.”

In a gesture of appeasement, the Police Dept. held a free car wash at City Hall for residents. (Evidently water shortage is not one of the area’s complaints?)

How many Council members can there be in Lipscomb?


Yes, that is an interesting story.  The corruption is deep there and not just in that little town. I think they are going to need a new government soon.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 01:38:56 PM
Thanks 2NJ. I have a terrible time pulling up the FP stuff for reference.  That is why I am looking at the archives.  If you would be so kind, I would appreciate it if you would let me know what you find.  

Believe it or not, I too would like to put Lorenzo to rest too. He just won't go away...he's like a bad dream or maybe heartburn.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 01:42:07 PM
LESLIE,

I remember those photos and may still have them.  You sent them to me long ago by email and we discussed.  With the new photos of LVR from his arrest, I seem to recall one of them at the BD party does bear a resemblance.

But I am going to try to stay out of the Lorenzo discussion.

I think he could be connected in a very peripheral manner such as suspected of supplying drugs.  All I want is some kind of proof of any connection.  I don't think the early Arubans posting had very good information and just repeated the local gossip.  That does not make it true or a fact.  I have never been able in all this time to make a connection that is reliable.  Jossy says there is not one and we take his word when it fits our preconceived ideas and ignore it when it doesn't.  But I will readily concede that Jossy can't know every detail about this investigation and I use that word loosely.  It is a cover up being billed as an investigation.  IMHO.

----------
LaLas's posted something earlier that was interesting. Deepak could have put something in Natalee's drink without Joran knowing it?   Or even with Joran knowing it.Would that explain why Deepak was the one sent back in to escort Natalee out by the arm as one witness has apparently claimed?  I have always thought that might be the Kalpoe connection and what they did that binds them to Joran and silences them.  If they, either one, administered the lethal drug, they are culpable for that.

Is that the "shit" they would see if the remains were recovered?

Yet another thing to think about as a possibility.  That would explain why the Kalpoes don't rat out Joran.  They are the ones known to have purchased GHB or Ecstasy and not Joran.  Maybe there is a witness or someone who actually sold it to them and not to Joran.

Too many theories, too little time.
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 18, 2007, 01:45:14 PM
Too many theories, too many lies


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Anna
I understand you think Lorenzo isn't involved at all and may constitute a red herring in all this.  I truly respect your opinion.  I have no problem with it at all.  I have long had dissenting opinions on things that I too, would not mention in order to avoid conflict.   Do I have this correct that you continue to believe that Lorenzo is not a key player here?  Please, know that I am not trying to cause a ruckus...I just want to be clear on what you think.  You are most assuredly one of the more intelligent posters we have, especially when it comes to level-headed thinking and fact finding.  BTW I am just talking to Anna right now, so please, everyone bear with me.  I don't have an email addy or I would do this in private. Sorry.


Anna,
Personally, I think your posts are overwhelmingly spot-on  most of the time. Just because people don't agree 100% -- doesn't mean dissenting views are not welcome. Respectfully, I think you misinterpret "disagreement" with "disrespect".  I honestly see very little "bashing" of other posters here (at least on purpose). We all have different personalities here -- some are just a little more "aggressive" in stating opinions.
I certainly hope you don't feel respected -- because I KNOW we all do!!  :)  
PS -- I hope you read this too, Tylergal (if that is why you have stopped posting)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 01:52:44 PM
I wrote:

I certainly hope you don't feel respected -- because I KNOW we all do!!
Quote


That didn't come out right!!
I meant to say: I certainly hope you don't feel DISRESPECTED -- because we all DO respect you immensely!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
I wrote:

I certainly hope you don't feel respected -- because I KNOW we all do!!
Quote


That didn't come out right!!
I meant to say: I certainly hope you don't feel DISRESPECTED -- because we all DO respect you immensely!


dang it!!!! You KNOW what I was trying to post!!  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Thanks 2NJ. I have a terrible time pulling up the FP stuff for reference.  That is why I am looking at the archives.  If you would be so kind, I would appreciate it if you would let me know what you find.  

Believe it or not, I too would like to put Lorenzo to rest too. He just won't go away...he's like a bad dream or maybe heartburn.  :roll:


I agree...I have the beginning of the FP articles up, now, but it's a PITA to get there.  Will let you know if I find anything for your heartburn. :lol: Maybe a chaser of S & S will do it. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 02:03:46 PM
One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 18, 2007, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?


Yes, and do I recall hearing that there is a section of C&C's that is sort of a restaurant?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Anna
I understand you think Lorenzo isn't involved at all and may constitute a red herring in all this.  I truly respect your opinion.  I have no problem with it at all.  I have long had dissenting opinions on things that I too, would not mention in order to avoid conflict.   Do I have this correct that you continue to believe that Lorenzo is not a key player here?  Please, know that I am not trying to cause a ruckus...I just want to be clear on what you think.  You are most assuredly one of the more intelligent posters we have, especially when it comes to level-headed thinking and fact finding.  BTW I am just talking to Anna right now, so please, everyone bear with me.  I don't have an email addy or I would do this in private. Sorry.



Well, Lala's, just yesterday ******* said I always want to "fight" about Lorenzo and I did find that an odd thing to say just because I don't agree that LVR is somehow responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I think he is a known drug dealer and was questioned as to what he might have sold to the J2K.  For example, did he sell ecstasy or GHB or something along those lines to them?  Which one of them, etc.

I don't believe he killed and disposed of Natalee Holloway as some sort of favor or is some kind of hired hit man for PVDS and Joran.  I think he was injected into the fray very early on because the cops asked him about selling anything to the suspects since his nickname was Ecstasy and he was known for drugs.  I don't know the legal ramifications of selling something that later turned out to be lethal.  He might be legally implicated in that way, however.

I think he is protected because children of suicide victims are something like four times more likely to commit suicide themselves and he is known to have already had mental problems.  

He was pushed as a suspect along with Leon von Loon by scubajap and the ANYBODY BUT JORAN committee which also makes me tend to disregard as they were mostly putting out false information.  

I would never question anybody's parentage without some kind of proof as I think that crosses a decency line.  Sorry, but I do.  One of my kids doesn't resemble me, his father or anybody I know.  But I assure you he has the same parentage as the other two.  He does bear a strong resemblance to Justin Timberlake with the shaved head version.   :D And we won't even discuss Prince William and his red hair!   :lol:  8)  :lol:

One time someone accidentally said to me about another of mine "Oh, that's got to be Dr P's child!"  I answered her "No, it's Dr T's child but we used to live next door to the P's!"  LOL!  I thought I was very funny saying that.  She turned almost purple she was so embarrassed as well she should have been.

If any proof of a connection is ever provided, I will gladly change my assessment of his involvement but I don't take comments by anonymous posters on forums as proof of anything. Unless it is said by a suspect or somebody directly involved or in a position to actually know something for a fact, I just don't take it as a fact.  It is someone's opinion.

We all have one of those.

And now I am leaving because I did the very think I said I wouldn't do and got into the Lorenzo discussion.  I will be back later when the subject gets off him and onto something less controversial as my dissent seems to rile some people very much.  I don't really care but also don't think saying I want to fight is respectful at all and wonder since when we all have to agree on everything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
Well,KJ did not arrest LVR on the drugs.GVC was arrested for that.I think Lvr is leverage,not the real perp.I notice that it constant the effort to point away from joran.One fact,which ones were known for their violent tempers,case solved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reclusive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)



That is my perception as well.  He can't be reclusive and having huge parties at the same time.  The two don't mix.

I heard early on that the party the night Natalee disappeared was attended by only six people.  And since we LOVE rumors, also that some of the posters at racejunkes or that other site had a major dispute with his father over a car some time in the past and did not really care much for him.  He is certainly a rumor magnet for some reason but I think mostly because no one really knows that much about him.
See.   :oops: I can't just keep my trap shut about him and so should disconnect my keyboard until the fascination goes away!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "wreck"
I wrote:

I certainly hope you don't feel respected -- because I KNOW we all do!!
Quote


That didn't come out right!!
I meant to say: I certainly hope you don't feel DISRESPECTED -- because we all DO respect you immensely!


dang it!!!! You KNOW what I was trying to post!!  :oops:  :oops:


No, Wreck, but if I don't agree then I am said to be fighting.  Same with the shoes.  Not worth the effort to try to explain over and over something that was arrived at over two years and not the result on any one thing but a plethora of tiny details that all come together to form an opinion.

I don't think dissenting opinions are respected nor posters who post them.  The poster is attacked and not the post.  And I don't mean YOU.  We have posted together almost from the first week without a cross word.  I am sure we do not agree on everything, too, but I do respect your right to your opinion and don't feel any need to call names or accuse people of wanting to fight if they don't agree.  

When someone does not agree with me, unforunately I usually want to know their reasoning and that is deemed fighting apparently.  I am genuinely curious as to why others think differently about things for I might learn something new or an angle I had not considered.  I think my posts seem far more emotional or involved or determined than I feel so might be my style of writing.  But anyone who has heard my voice on Dana should know I am extremely laid back, sleepyheaded sort and not at all prone to being emotional.  My posts may sound more so than they are beacause I am trying to compensate for that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 02:30:07 PM
One last thing then back to work. . .

This is a product I have used on five different computers without one bit of trouble.  It is a very small program and easy to download and use.  You can type anywhere on the internet then right click the mouse and a menu will appear to check the SPELLING.

It's free!  It works!  It has never caused me any problems at all

http://www:iespell.com

You can use it here or anywhere you type on the net.  Really fast and easy to use so that even I can use it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 02:33:28 PM
Sorry,

 :oops:

That link doesn't seem to work.  Try this one:

http://www.iespell.com/


NO EDIT BUTTON-hint, hint, Dugga!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well,KJ did not arrest LVR on the drugs.GVC was arrested for that.I think Lvr is leverage,not the real perp.I notice that it constant the effort to point away from joran.One fact,which ones were known for their violent tempers,case solved.



In the Natalee Holloway case ... other than the security guards ... there were only eight suspects who were arrested ... held in pre-trial detention.  All the rest were considered  witnesses who were brought in for questioning ... Lorenzo included.

Janet


Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006


Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
In the questioning of June 28, 2005 ... Lorenzo must have implicated Deepak and Satish. The following record was obtained from the log of witness statements that Phil McGraw was requesting from the Kalpoe attorneys.

Janet


Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement


Vivian Van Der Biezen - Spokesperson for the Prosescutor
NANCE GRACE
June 10, 2005


GRACE: Why is it that the defense attorneys for the other four have not been allowed to see this Dutch boy`s statement, the son of the Aruban judicial official?

VAN DER BIEZEN: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 02:40:20 PM
ARUBA - conflicted again

Negotiations started in America

 

ORANJESTAD – The negotiations to put an end to the conflict between the personnel of Valero Aviation and the parent company Valero are currently taking place in the United States .

 

Iowa , the union that represents the personnel, came with a counter offer, which pushes out the earlier offer of Valero.

Johannes ‘Boy’ Anthony of Iowa told the Amigoe this morning that the negotiations are no longer taking place in Aruba .  The American sister union United Steel Workers Union is now conducting the negotiations with the headquarters of Valero in San Antonio .  Depending on the results, the union will deliberate with the 15 employees of Valero Aviation about the next steps this afternoon.  If by any chance the results are not satisfactory, the strike will continue for the second week in a row.

 

Spokesperson of Valero, David Smith indicated that the employees are not being paid for the hours they do not work.

Valero says that the company is doing her best to bring the situation to a good end.  They continue to negotiate and come with new offers.  On July 11th, Valero came up with another offer, but also this one was rejected.  They came with another one on July 12th which has two options for a cao; a two-year agreement from August 1st till July 31st, 2009, with twice a salary increase of 4 percent, a one-time bonus of 750 florins, and a Christmas bonus of an average of 3000 florins (based on the salary); a two-year cao with a retroactive 5 percent salary increase, starting March of this year, another 3 percent salary increase starting August 1st, 2008, an immediate bonus of 250 florins if they accept the cao, and a Christmas bonus of 1500 florins.

 

This last offer is valid up till Thursday, says Smith.  He says that Iowa has not responded yet.  Anthony indicated that the union has a counter offer and will therefore not react on the above options of Valero.  The consequences of the conflict for the air traffic are not big, because Valero has put together a replacing team that provides the airplanes with fuel during the strike.  Valero is making extra costs with this, but these are negligible, says Smith.  “It’s not so much the economic damage, but especially getting the people back to work every time.  They are currently making a lot of overtime.”



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
from todays Amigo, http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 18, 2007, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Bendex introduced this topic at SM. Don't know if it was in June...or later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)


Hi msmarple, I find it hard to believe that he keeps to himself.  I think he surrounds himself with specific people.  He has that fast car and a fast boat so to me that says he is out and about but just limits himself to certain people and places.  This guy has made a name for himself and you don't do that by keeping to yourself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 03:18:11 PM
Igsigs - here is Bendex's post regarding drugs and NH.  Completely unbelievable to me.

bendex


Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Dutch guy living on the argentinian pampas
 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject:      

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
anyone supports my theory

I think the are all involved in a drugs smuggeling scam.

I think they used Joran to seduce her and convince her to smuggel drugs. For a sum of money.
Who is going to check group graduates coming from there vacation.
She consumed small bags of cocaine.To take allong to the U.S. One of the bags broke aand they all panicked.

Why I think that ?

First every week smuggelers are caught in aruba who have cocaine in their bellies

Second, many students of international school of aruba afterwards study in the united states so their is someone to recieve it.

Thirdly in my country lots rich kids consume cocaine,Or are involved in drugs.I asume it is the same for other developed countries. so that is not strange.

Four. When the bags broke they all panicked. And there was an urge to detoxicate her.So who to call on a disc jockey. Good disc jockeys know everyone. That explains the involvement of the d.j. if not he might be the suplier as well .

Five they took her to a place to detoxicate her , to a boat a house.

six still there was no body found , which scrupelous criminal is going to to dump a body full of cocaine.

seven they decided to stay low , that explains the case why there are rumours that she still is alive , and have her afloat within a few days. But there was to much media attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?



Maybe it was Max Arends (is he Dilma's son?) and he said he was at Lorenzo's.  They say he was questioned first.  Jaime C. is questioned about Max Arends.  Haven't seen anything from the Joran book about Lorenzo or Max....makes me suspicious  :wink: .


Yes, it does make one suspicious.  Those of you that dance with me will know that Simian made reference to this:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.


Maybe Lorenzo is the one person that Joran fears in some way.  You know, when you are running drugs for powerful people and laundering their money in the local casinos, things can get dicey when the entire operation is about to be exposed.  I am sure you get my drift here. JMO.


Hi everyone.

Maybe Simian is talking about the Crom guy (sp) that she encounterd at C&C as being the first guy, if in fact that happened.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "wreck"
I wrote:

I certainly hope you don't feel respected -- because I KNOW we all do!!
Quote


That didn't come out right!!
I meant to say: I certainly hope you don't feel DISRESPECTED -- because we all DO respect you immensely!


dang it!!!! You KNOW what I was trying to post!!  :oops:  :oops:


No, Wreck, but if I don't agree then I am said to be fighting.  Same with the shoes.  Not worth the effort to try to explain over and over something that was arrived at over two years and not the result on any one thing but a plethora of tiny details that all come together to form an opinion.

I don't think dissenting opinions are respected nor posters who post them.  The poster is attacked and not the post.  And I don't mean YOU.  We have posted together almost from the first week without a cross word.  I am sure we do not agree on everything, too, but I do respect your right to your opinion and don't feel any need to call names or accuse people of wanting to fight if they don't agree.  

When someone does not agree with me, unforunately I usually want to know their reasoning and that is deemed fighting apparently.  I am genuinely curious as to why others think differently about things for I might learn something new or an angle I had not considered.  I think my posts seem far more emotional or involved or determined than I feel so might be my style of writing.  But anyone who has heard my voice on Dana should know I am extremely laid back, sleepyheaded sort and not at all prone to being emotional.  My posts may sound more so than they are beacause I am trying to compensate for that.


One last thing -- then I will shut up!  :)

I still think you are being a little "sensitive" on the "Lorenzo" issue. Sure there are a lot of "rumors" about him -- but in this case -- what isn't
 a rumor for Pete's sake?????
Since we got the archives back, it is more than evident that we should be paying more attention to Lorenzo as his name came up so many, many times from the Arubans. Do I personally think Lorenzo murdered Natalee?? NO!
Do I think he may be involved in her disposal?? Very possibly!!

I just don't think we should be ignoring him simply because we have only "rumors" about him. [/Rant]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 18, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Bendex introduced this topic at SM. Don't know if it was in June...or later.


if not natallee...someone close to the group did at some point on the trip.
they can deny it all they want.   i would. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 18, 2007, 03:35:30 PM
edited  to add......i do not agree with bendex theory.....just minor dabbling with what was available in aruba  so readily


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 18, 2007, 03:41:46 PM
k...am going ....no one likes me anymore.....

luv to mr and mrs red and  klass


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)


Hi msmarple, I find it hard to believe that he keeps to himself.  I think he surrounds himself with specific people.  He has that fast car and a fast boat so to me that says he is out and about but just limits himself to certain people and places.  This guy has made a name for himself and you don't do that by keeping to yourself.


Oh San - I am sure you're right and I agree; just a matter of semantics. A small circle of friends with similar inclinations - boats, music, cars -  could still be "reclusive" (IMO). He has his mother and I believe step-father. He might have 1 or 2 household servants and occasional gardner.

But even on Aruba, if you're growing marijuana on the south 40, you don't exactly run Open Houses.

And another thing - "non-public" people with that kind of $$ don't often mix with the hoi polloi.  

So I'm not saying he's a Howard Huges ...

I just don't imagine him and a buddy deciding to hang out at C&C, or the Marriott beach, or even going out to eat except maybe on a rare occasion.

And I can't imagine Natalee would have laid eyes on him, unless there's something to the "after hours rave party" story (being taken there after leaving C&Cs).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 18, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
bendex's idea isn't a bad one, something similar may happen quite frequently ...

... except that Natalee would have been a MOST unlikely candidate, and it's a scenario that requires some willingness to participate.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

Well, Lala's, just yesterday ******* said I always want to "fight" about Lorenzo and I did find that an odd thing to say just because I don't agree that LVR is somehow responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.



I've never heard or seen Anna 'fight' about Lorenzo. She may not agree that he is involved and I think we that DO accept that.

As for Lorenzo - there is too much still unknown about his role and he remains a mystery. I personally wish we had his statement, but so do everyone else.

So until there is more info on him, we are going to around in a circle.

I do find it interesting outta the 70-100K people on that island, he is one of the 10 or so involved in some way. Just what that way is is hard to completely determine.

Drug dealers are all over the place and that alone does not make him unique. As Jossy said that ALE drug enforcement was watching him for a long time.....why a long time and why now? Could have arrested Lorenzo over the last two years at anytime for just drug dealing.

No one just starts out with 100 + plants. Maybe 5 or so for personal use. But he is doing something beside just growing drugs. What it is - who knows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)


Hi msmarple, I find it hard to believe that he keeps to himself.  I think he surrounds himself with specific people.  He has that fast car and a fast boat so to me that says he is out and about but just limits himself to certain people and places.  This guy has made a name for himself and you don't do that by keeping to yourself.


Oh San - I am sure you're right and I agree; just a matter of semantics. A small circle of friends with similar inclinations - boats, music, cars -  could still be "reclusive" (IMO). He has his mother and I believe step-father. He might have 1 or 2 household servants and occasional gardner.

But even on Aruba, if you're growing marijuana on the south 40, you don't exactly run Open Houses.

And another thing - "non-public" people with that kind of $$ don't often mix with the hoi polloi.  

So I'm not saying he's a Howard Huges ...

I just don't imagine him and a buddy deciding to hang out at C&C, or the Marriott beach, or even going out to eat except maybe on a rare occasion.


And I can't imagine Natalee would have laid eyes on him, unless there's something to the "after hours rave party" story (being taken there after leaving C&Cs).


OK msmarple I agree.  I took what you said as him being a total recluse.

I find it strange that a 26 year old has made himself practically the king pin of drugs on the island.  They made it look like everyone had to feel sorry for him because his step dad committed suicide.  Big deal he committed suicide so did more than half the other people who died in Aruba whose death was suspicious.  What is so different about him.  How does a 26 year old psycho become untouchable.  I have often wondered if he was involved in his fathers death.  He has the Sloot mental illness that runs in that damn family they are all nuts (Joran, Paulus, Lorenzo).  But that is just my opinion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 18, 2007, 04:01:56 PM
******* and Anna:

I love to hear what you both
have to say and always look
forward to reading your posts.

Both of you contribute a lot
of good discussion and information
to the forum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: NM on July 18, 2007, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.


Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?



Maybe it was Max Arends (is he Dilma's son?) and he said he was at Lorenzo's.  They say he was questioned first.  Jaime C. is questioned about Max Arends.  Haven't seen anything from the Joran book about Lorenzo or Max....makes me suspicious  :wink: .


Yes, it does make one suspicious.  Those of you that dance with me will know that Simian made reference to this:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.


Maybe Lorenzo is the one person that Joran fears in some way.  You know, when you are running drugs for powerful people and laundering their money in the local casinos, things can get dicey when the entire operation is about to be exposed.  I am sure you get my drift here. JMO.


I think Simian, just like us, was fed some misinformation.  This may be the renfro-fluffa'a blue-eyed blond dutch guy.

Hey Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 04:21:36 PM
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 18, 2007, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


agreed spock.
i think lorenzo was the one paulus or joran called when they needed a place to put her for a bit til they figured  what to do about the situatgion.  i think she was alive...even if barely, when she was taken to l.orenzoes
crazy painted house


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder

GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 18, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


agreed spock.
i think lorenzo was the one paulus or joran called when they needed a place to put her for a bit til they figured  what to do about the situatgion.  i think she was alive...even if barely, when she was taken to l.orenzoes
crazy painted house


I have thought that perhaps they called Lorenzo because Natalee was having a bad reaction to the drugs - he would be the one to know what to do to counteract her reaction...  Maybe they then took her there...for treatment.  Just a thought


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder
GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH


If Joran did not make the school bus in the morning at his home and did meet up with the bus on the southside of the island, we can assume he went back out after the 3:15 logs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 18, 2007, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder
GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH


If Joran did not make the school bus in the morning at his home and did meet up with the bus on the southside of the island, we can assume he went back out after the 3:15 logs.


IF that was indeed him on the computer... could very well have been his brother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 18, 2007, 04:47:12 PM
kimmy---agreed.

i think lorenzoe has been placed in the aruban criminal protection program......wonder where that would be??? bonaire??
vanderstratten can keep an eye on him.....isn't he there too?
going...


good to see u monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
Good to see you too FOM  :D

I tripped over this tidbit, found it interesting that a site exists for 'rave and nightclub' owners on the risks of drugs and dancing?

It seems ecstasy can be a catalyst for heat stroke? who knew?

http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/heatstroke.php


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
k...am going ....no one likes me anymore.....

luv to mr and mrs red and  klass


Honey hush, no one likes anyone anymore... we are now truly like a dang family!!! Good to see you got your new computer and visited me... check emails...


Klaasend, Red is aware it's going up ASAP.. had to run out... dealing with the parking lot crash...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 18, 2007, 05:07:01 PM
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff.... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 18, 2007, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff.... :)




you might be right but what I said is more likely going to get Anna all fired up

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff.... :)




you might be right but what I said is more likely going to get Anna all fired up




but I know you love her too!

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 18, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff.... :)




you might be right but what I said is more likely going to get Anna all fired up




but I know you love her too!

 :lol:  :lol:



 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 05:24:34 PM
Interesting comment from someone who claims to be a good friend of Joran>>>>>

Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.


Comment by 10061906 | September 27, 2006, 12:11 am


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Bendex introduced this topic at SM. Don't know if it was in June...or later.


I see that Klaas posted Bendex's theory, which I found earlier this afternoon.  I also found the following on the FP under Natalee Holloway Update June 4 and I think it may be where the story began or is a copycat version.....Thanks to San for helping me with the copy & paste!

#39 This is complete bullshit!

I’m not trying to down play this situation but her friends are not being truthful about their character. All of those freaks be down at Banana Joe’s, clubbing, under age drinking, in the back all up on that Mandigo d***, using drugs…….that can’t play CatSuga stupid because I SEEN THEM THERE!!!!!! Those girls need to come out and say that she went to go get THEM some drugs. If they would have been truthful in the beginning they would have found her that night.
 
How in the f*** are you going to say that you saw your white female friend leave the club with 3 black men and that it was “out of her character”. BULLS***!!!! If I saw my white girlfriend leaving the club with 3 black men I would be BURNING RUBBER trying to catch her ***. They found someone to hook them up with the dope and sent her okie dokie *** out to fetch it.
 
Comment by CatSuga | June 9, 2005, 4:09 am


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 05:28:39 PM
PS - This Sept 27, 2006 is also the day we find out about Joran's size 10.5 shoe.  Would Lorenzo wear a size 14 or a 10.5 or what size estimate?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Interesting comment from someone who claims to be a good friend of Joran>>>>>

Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.


Comment by 10061906 | September 27, 2006, 12:11 am


Sunfreak-

good find, know what comes to mind when I read that? All of these local boys know one another and it's 'sport' to 'score' on these american girls too. So maybe the boys weren't able to score on the MB girls and suppose Natalee rebuffed GVC a few times, and she was the one singled out for chosen revenge?

Now I can believe that, teenagers run in herds and groupthink can be pretty dangerous, in that they become a catalyst for each other - even revel in the dare of it all?

I at least have to wonder.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
PS - This Sept 27, 2006 is also the day we find out about Joran's size 10.5 shoe.  Would Lorenzo wear a size 14 or a 10.5 or what size estimate?


all dutch on Aruba have very small feet  :lol:


sorry had to make light of it.......just too irresistable  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Interesting comment from someone who claims to be a good friend of Joran>>>>>

Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.


Comment by 10061906 | September 27, 2006, 12:11 am



10061906  is a frequent (and astute) poster on FP -- I don't think he/she is any friend of Joran though! (But he may be on to something !)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 18, 2007, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Interesting comment from someone who claims to be a good friend of Joran>>>>>

Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.


Comment by 10061906 | September 27, 2006, 12:11 am



10061906  is a frequent (and astute) poster on FP -- I don't think he/she is any friend of Joran though! (But he may be on to something !)


Glad you said that, Wreck, because I was thinking that 10061906 was not a friend of JVDS, but thought maybe I was thinking of the wrong poster.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 05:46:46 PM
If you take away:

1. Earlier in the week
2. Falling in love with some Blue eyed tall guy
3. Dinner with some guy
4. Natalee running for drugs

What do you have left?

The “earlier in the week” was started by someone, it is NOT true, it is not meant as “earlier in day” imo. Too many lies accompany it.

If you say “earlier in the week,” it allows for many to tell lies about Natalee and the MB group.

Read Dash’s post a few pages back, she explains very well what they did, not everything but it sure makes sense to me. Like I said I go on long weekends often, I know how time flies and how much you actually get to do..

I believe what the chaperone said on Greta’s show. He said that “other families” staying at HI told the chaperones how well behaved the MB students were-or something to that affect. Doesn’t sound to me like they were behaving like some there would have us believe. Just didn’t happen. Teens having a good time, yep. None were arrested for any bad behavior. The chaperone had NO reason to lie about anything.

Natalee never went to Aruba, fell in love, decided to have sex with a stranger when she was a virgin, was doing drugs (look at the picture on the beach just hours before she went missing, check the eyes of the girls.) None of the girls appear to me to be drunk or doing drugs-again check the eyes. All in approx. 80 hrs. It is just BS..Plain BS.

Further, do we not think if there was anything in Natalee's past that someone in MB would not have “sold the story?” Money talks. I don’t care who you are or who Natalee was. We would have heard by now. There is nothing JULIA, as much as you would like for there to be, the most you can say is Natalee had a few drinks. That’s it HAG.

Why did jk2 decide to take Natalee? IMO, she was to be number 21 or so, after all they had done this before, or because (if it is true) of the incident she had with the guy at C & C’s. Right now can’t think of the guys name. Could it have been for revenge?

One other thing, when considering how fast Natalee was disposed of, imo 2 things must be considered

1  How quickly a body decomposes in heat-hrs. imo.
2. State of mind of a 17 yr. old. IMO, he would have gotten away from “body” quickly and left Natalee for someone else to dispose of.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Interesting comment from someone who claims to be a good friend of Joran>>>>>

Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.


Comment by 10061906 | September 27, 2006, 12:11 am



10061906  is a frequent (and astute) poster on FP -- I don't think he/she is any friend of Joran though! (But he may be on to something !)


Glad you said that, Wreck, because I was thinking that 10061906 was not a friend of JVDS, but thought maybe I was thinking of the wrong poster.

I think 100619006 was "suggesting" this as a likely scenario in the quote.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
Excellent post OS... I agree.  There was no boy that Natalee had dinner with and the kids weren't out of control... also in every face book picture that was stolen of Natalee her eyes look clear and she usually has a bottle of water with her even with the drinks...

I don't buy any of the garbage and yes, someone would have sold out the story if it were all salicious...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 05:53:48 PM
Let's npt forget the coincidence of Rene Van Heynigan being beheaded on June 18, 2005 the very day Paulus is called in for questioning as a witness.  Are these 2 incidents related? A partial beheading of a guy who allegedley works at an incinerator?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Bendex introduced this topic at SM. Don't know if it was in June...or later.


I see that Klaas posted Bendex's theory, which I found earlier this afternoon.  I also found the following on the FP under Natalee Holloway Update June 4 and I think it may be where the story began or is a copycat version.....Thanks to San for helping me with the copy & paste!

#39 This is complete bullshit!

I’m not trying to down play this situation but her friends are not being truthful about their character. All of those freaks be down at Banana Joe’s, clubbing, under age drinking, in the back all up on that Mandigo d***, using drugs…….that can’t play CatSuga stupid because I SEEN THEM THERE!!!!!! Those girls need to come out and say that she went to go get THEM some drugs. If they would have been truthful in the beginning they would have found her that night.
 
How in the f*** are you going to say that you saw your white female friend leave the club with 3 black men and that it was “out of her character”. BULLS***!!!! If I saw my white girlfriend leaving the club with 3 black men I would be BURNING RUBBER trying to catch her ***. They found someone to hook them up with the dope and sent her okie dokie *** out to fetch it.
 
Comment by CatSuga | June 9, 2005, 4:09 am


This sounds like Deepak talking or something he would say:!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kkial on July 18, 2007, 05:57:34 PM
Hi Guys,,,,lurk all the time, just don't post much

Do you all remember a few months after Nat went missing and Aubagirl was postine daily?  

I remember late one night she told a story about attending a party at the upscale neighborhood...one that is north of the Mariott.  A boat came up to the house the delivered a bag...left quickly.  She did not know that there would be drugs there..

My thought since the beginning....I think the three thugs did take Natalee to a party...God only knows what happened to her there, but I think she was drugged and either overdosed or "something bad happened"..

I have forgotton the name of the neighborhood, but if a boat could come up to the house, certainly a boat could come and get a body.

I asked AG about this once and she did not poo poo the idea...

Another idea was a party at the Mariott...lots of rooms, and places to hide her and a body. I still believe strongly she was drugged and "something bad happened" to our Nat.
kk


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
If you take away:

1. Earlier in the week
2. Falling in love with some Blue eyed tall guy
3. Dinner with some guy
4. Natalee running for drugs

What do you have left?

The “earlier in the week” was started by someone, it is NOT true, it is not meant as “earlier in day” imo. Too many lies accompany it.

If you say “earlier in the week,” it allows for many to tell lies about Natalee and the MB group.

Read Dash’s post a few pages back, she explains very well what they did, not everything but it sure makes sense to me. Like I said I go on long weekends often, I know how time flies and how much you actually get to do..

I believe what the chaperone said on Greta’s show. He said that “other families” staying at HI told the chaperones how well behaved the MB students were-or something to that affect. Doesn’t sound to me like they were behaving like some there would have us believe. Just didn’t happen. Teens having a good time, yep. None were arrested for any bad behavior. The chaperone had NO reason to lie about anything.

Natalee never went to Aruba, fell in love, decided to have sex with a stranger when she was a virgin, was doing drugs (look at the picture on the beach just hours before she went missing, check the eyes of the girls.) None of the girls appear to me to be drunk or doing drugs-again check the eyes. All in approx. 80 hrs. It is just BS..Plain BS.

Further, do we not think if there was anything in Natalee's past that someone in MB would not have “sold the story?” Money talks. I don’t care who you are or who Natalee was. We would have heard by now. There is nothing JULIA, as much as you would like for there to be, the most you can say is Natalee had a few drinks. That’s it HAG.

Why did jk2 decide to take Natalee? IMO, she was to be number 21 or so, after all they had done this before, or because (if it is true) of the incident she had with the guy at C & C’s. Right now can’t think of the guys name. Could it have been for revenge?

One other thing, when considering how fast Natalee was disposed of, imo 2 things must be considered

1  How quickly a body decomposes in heat-hrs. imo.
2. State of mind of a 17 yr. old. IMO, he would have gotten away from “body” quickly and left Natalee for someone else to dispose of.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

OS

No need to go far away from the body because she was in Joran's house.  This is why I feel Joran was in the main part of the house because there was either a seriously wounded Natalee or a dead Natallee in his apartment.  Joran goes as far to say on Greta when he got home he made himself a sandwich.  He didn't make any sandwich he was keeping away from a dead body.  He was with Paulus in the main house trying to calm down and figure out what to do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sam on July 18, 2007, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Does anyone remember a discussion about Natalee making a drug run for some in the MB group?  I don't remember if it was here, or brought here from Dan's...If so, could that have been part of this earlier in the week business?  Guess I could go back and dig in the archives for that, too.  :wink:

Bendex introduced this topic at SM. Don't know if it was in June...or later.


I see that Klaas posted Bendex's theory, which I found earlier this afternoon.  I also found the following on the FP under Natalee Holloway Update June 4 and I think it may be where the story began or is a copycat version.....Thanks to San for helping me with the copy & paste!

#39 This is complete bullshit!

I’m not trying to down play this situation but her friends are not being truthful about their character. All of those freaks be down at Banana Joe’s, clubbing, under age drinking, in the back all up on that Mandigo d***, using drugs…….that can’t play CatSuga stupid because I SEEN THEM THERE!!!!!! Those girls need to come out and say that she went to go get THEM some drugs. If they would have been truthful in the beginning they would have found her that night.
 
How in the f*** are you going to say that you saw your white female friend leave the club with 3 black men and that it was “out of her character”. BULLS***!!!! If I saw my white girlfriend leaving the club with 3 black men I would be BURNING RUBBER trying to catch her ***. They found someone to hook them up with the dope and sent her okie dokie *** out to fetch it.
 
Comment by CatSuga | June 9, 2005, 4:09 am


HI Monkeys,
The post from Cat Suga is complete BS. He/she had read very little about the case and jumped in without knowing anything. What he/she did know was all confused. It was the race card. I saw tons of this on the AOL boards. They are still doing that on some of their boards.

Now I do not remember who made the really neat chart with their Mac computer but it has some really good time lines and easy to read. In it it list a couple of tipsters from Birmingham. I wonder what we know about these tipsters.
 Jeanette Fromken
 Telephone Interview (tip line)
 Birmingham
 8/10/05
 
 IA Eric K Fullman

also

Robert Lynch
 Tip Line call
 Birmingham
 8/10/05
 
 Stephen R Forsyth
 
Also

Kelsia Vanderpool (PH)
 Tip Line call
 Birmingham
 8/16/05
 
 Linda Wileman


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I HEARD THAT, BLAH!  Just wanting you to know I caught you!

My lips are sealed on both subjects.  

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 :D  8)  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: "Kkial"
Hi Guys,,,,lurk all the time, just don't post much

Do you all remember a few months after Nat went missing and Aubagirl was postine daily?  

I remember late one night she told a story about attending a party at the upscale neighborhood...one that is north of the Mariott.  A boat came up to the house the delivered a bag...left quickly.  She did not know that there would be drugs there..

My thought since the beginning....I think the three thugs did take Natalee to a party...God only knows what happened to her there, but I think she was drugged and either overdosed or "something bad happened"..

I have forgotton the name of the neighborhood, but if a boat could come up to the house, certainly a boat could come and get a body.

I asked AG about this once and she did not poo poo the idea...

Another idea was a party at the Mariott...lots of rooms, and places to hide her and a body. I still believe strongly she was drugged and "something bad happened" to our Nat.
kk

I agree Kkial that a boat could have easily come to a house and picked up a dead body.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Kkial"
Hi Guys,,,,lurk all the time, just don't post much

Do you all remember a few months after Nat went missing and Aubagirl was postine daily?  

I remember late one night she told a story about attending a party at the upscale neighborhood...one that is north of the Mariott.  A boat came up to the house the delivered a bag...left quickly.  She did not know that there would be drugs there..

My thought since the beginning....I think the three thugs did take Natalee to a party...God only knows what happened to her there, but I think she was drugged and either overdosed or "something bad happened"..

I have forgotton the name of the neighborhood, but if a boat could come up to the house, certainly a boat could come and get a body.

I asked AG about this once and she did not poo poo the idea...

Another idea was a party at the Mariott...lots of rooms, and places to hide her and a body. I still believe strongly she was drugged and "something bad happened" to our Nat.
kk

I agree Kkial that a boat could have easily come to a house and picked up a dead body.

Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Kkial"
Hi Guys,,,,lurk all the time, just don't post much

Do you all remember a few months after Nat went missing and Aubagirl was postine daily?  

I remember late one night she told a story about attending a party at the upscale neighborhood...one that is north of the Mariott.  A boat came up to the house the delivered a bag...left quickly.  She did not know that there would be drugs there..

My thought since the beginning....I think the three thugs did take Natalee to a party...God only knows what happened to her there, but I think she was drugged and either overdosed or "something bad happened"..

I have forgotton the name of the neighborhood, but if a boat could come up to the house, certainly a boat could come and get a body.

I asked AG about this once and she did not poo poo the idea...

Another idea was a party at the Mariott...lots of rooms, and places to hide her and a body. I still believe strongly she was drugged and "something bad happened" to our Nat.
kk

I agree Kkial that a boat could have easily come to a house and picked up a dead body.

Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

No you are not nuts because I heard the same thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Excellent post OS... I agree.  There was no boy that Natalee had dinner with and the kids weren't out of control... also in every face book picture that was stolen of Natalee her eyes look clear and she usually has a bottle of water with her even with the drinks...

I don't buy any of the garbage and yes, someone would have sold out the story if it were all salicious...



Thanks Mrs. Red,

Everytime I hear "earlier in the week," I get so angry. Nothing associated with it happened. It is lies and more lies.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I HEARD THAT, BLAH!  Just wanting you to know I caught you!

My lips are sealed on both subjects.  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thignoresmiley-1.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thWhatever.gif)


 :D  8)  :D


and I am going to say all the time he was wearing the shoes in the Greta interview... he made the shoe story up to make it seem more believable and he was all smirky because he was thinking he got away with it!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I HEARD THAT, BLAH!  Just wanting you to know I caught you!

My lips are sealed on both subjects.  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thignoresmiley-1.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thWhatever.gif)


 :D  8)  :D


OMG..
Anna's putting Blah on ignore (I thought we lost that button) and calliing for the hall monitor at the sametime   :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sam on July 18, 2007, 06:17:09 PM
Something else I remember , I think it is in one of Deepaks statements is they sometimes rented a room at the Mills Resort to party.

Have to go for now. Later Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Excellent post OS... I agree.  There was no boy that Natalee had dinner with and the kids weren't out of control... also in every face book picture that was stolen of Natalee her eyes look clear and she usually has a bottle of water with her even with the drinks...

I don't buy any of the garbage and yes, someone would have sold out the story if it were all salicious...



Thanks Mrs. Red,

Everytime I hear "earlier in the week," I get so angry. Nothing associated with it happened. It is lies and more lies.

OS

I agree.  Didn't she arrive on a Wednesday or Thursday.  I mean really, these people made it sound like she ran off the plane looking to hook up with someone.  That didn't even cross that kids mind.  She was just so excited to be on her trip and have a good time with her friends.  She didn't need to go to Aruba to meeting someone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: "San"


OS

No need to go far away from the body because she was in Joran's house.  This is why I feel Joran was in the main part of the house because there was either a seriously wounded Natalee or a dead Natallee in his apartment.  Joran goes as far to say on Greta when he got home he made himself a sandwich.  He didn't make any sandwich he was keeping away from a dead body.  He was with Paulus in the main house trying to calm down and figure out what to do.[/quote]

I too believe Natalee was at the vds property. I also believe that Natalee's body was disposed of quickly and not held or moved for any length of time because of decomposition.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 06:18:13 PM
I will say that I don't know about a party.... it's possible.  

But I will say that I don't for one second believe the beach story. I don't think they were ever there.

Reason? It's because only the week before Natalee was murdered, a woman had complained that a man accosted her on the beach by the fisherman's huts. She yelled for help and they finally chased him away.  She filed a report and nothing was done.  But who would have first hand knowledge of this report?  Remember the Aruban posters claimed to know nothing of this incident.  PVDS's friend at ALE would, that's who... so when after the 20 times before, something bad happened this time. So since there had been an assult (or attempted at any rate) where the perpatrator exposed himself they figured it was a great story that would make sense if anyone asked.  Keep in mind this story gets spun after the inital HI story where no one sees her on tape and the guards are found to not be guilty... so they had to come up with lie #2 - the shoe story, and all the little crazy details are to make the story seem more believable. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 06:24:53 PM
Looking at older stuff again and came across this.
Kalpoe lawyer on 'Rita' saying a 'Trial will be soon'... :roll:

Video and story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11963328/

Also came across this disturbing piece on a NEtherlands site (not Natalee related)
Women and children kept in cells---Amsterdam 18 July 2007
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=41991


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 18, 2007, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I will say that I don't know about a party.... it's possible.  

But I will say that I don't for one second believe the beach story. I don't think they were ever there.


I wish I could agree with you on this, but I can't. The 2:35 telephone call came from the beach-hotel area.  All the statements converge on the fisherman hut beach area. Croes, the Tatoo, Wever, the casino, were all in the area. The huts were broken into, and a cage, knife , and rope were taken. The gardener says he say Deepak, Joran, the car, in the area at about 2:50 am.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?


EXACTLY! Isn't the pond they drained near the Marriott and Racquet Club??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm



Not saying that is the Sloots...but same idea. I do not know if it is true...just like everything else  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 06:38:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Excellent post OS... I agree.  There was no boy that Natalee had dinner with and the kids weren't out of control... also in every face book picture that was stolen of Natalee her eyes look clear and she usually has a bottle of water with her even with the drinks...

I don't buy any of the garbage and yes, someone would have sold out the story if it were all salicious...



Thanks Mrs. Red,

Everytime I hear "earlier in the week," I get so angry. Nothing associated with it happened. It is lies and more lies.

OS

I agree.  Didn't she arrive on a Wednesday or Thursday.  I mean really, these people made it sound like she ran off the plane looking to hook up with someone.  That didn't even cross that kids mind.  She was just so excited to be on her trip and have a good time with her friends.  She didn't need to go to Aruba to meeting someone.


Thursday


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm


Well, that is not what I pictured -- where is "cunucu" house located in relation to Marriott or racquet club?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm


Well, that is not what I pictured -- where is "cunucu" house located in relation to Marriott or racquet club?


"cunucu" are closer to Lorenzo's....I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 06:53:29 PM
I love this pic of Anita's face!!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/AnitahearssizeofPaulusswin-uglyface.jpg)

She's with Palus & ARli Swaen whne they hear the size of Paulus's 50,000 florin win - which was later reversed so she got nothing. Greedy little beoyotch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I will say that I don't know about a party.... it's possible.  

But I will say that I don't for one second believe the beach story. I don't think they were ever there.


I wish I could agree with you on this, but I can't. The 2:35 telephone call came from the beach-hotel area.  All the statements converge on the fisherman hut beach area. Croes, the Tatoo, Wever, the casino, were all in the area. The huts were broken into, and a cage, knife , and rope were taken. The gardener says he say Deepak, Joran, the car, in the area at about 2:50 am.


I hafta say I'm agreeing with Spock on this one.

After all, we all know how logical Spock is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm


Well, that is not what I pictured -- where is "cunucu" house located in relation to Marriott or racquet club?


"cunucu" are closer to Lorenzo's....I think.


Yes, the advertisement said Saveneta for the Cunucu houses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I love this pic of Anita's face!!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/AnitahearssizeofPaulusswin-uglyface.jpg)

She's with Palus & ARli Swaen whne they hear the size of Paulus's 50,000 florin win - which was later reversed so she got nothing. Greedy little beoyotch.


what I always find interesting about the photos are the body language... look at how Anita is the one intent on what is being said... while pvds is looking at the cameras like he is nauseous at getting caught.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I will say that I don't know about a party.... it's possible.  

But I will say that I don't for one second believe the beach story. I don't think they were ever there.


I wish I could agree with you on this, but I can't. The 2:35 telephone call came from the beach-hotel area.  All the statements converge on the fisherman hut beach area. Croes, the Tatoo, Wever, the casino, were all in the area. The huts were broken into, and a cage, knife , and rope were taken. The gardener says he say Deepak, Joran, the car, in the area at about 2:50 am.


I hafta say I'm agreeing with Spock on this one.

After all, we all know how logical Spock is.


Let's not forget the boat launch north of the Marriott and the one in Malmok where the Gottenbos lived.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 07:00:07 PM
Steam Explosion Causes Scare in NYC
Jul 18, 6:54 PM (ET)

 
NEW YORK (AP) - Fire and emergency crews responded to the scene of a suspected steam explosion near Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan on Wednesday during the evening rush hour, officials said.

The New York Police Department said a steam pipe exploded, and had no immediate detail on possible injuries. The NYPD said it does not appear to be terrorism-related.

A geyser of steam, sometimes white and sometimes brownish, shot into the air from a gaping hole in the street near the train station as high as the nearby Chrysler Building. The air near the site was filled with debris.

Consolidated Edison said there was an operational problem the area and utility crews were responding, but had no more immediate information.

Thousands of commuters evacuated the train terminal, some at a run, after workers yelled for people to get out of the building.

Witnesses reported that their buildings shook.


(http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/Manhattan_Explosion.sff_NYR105_20070718184528.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I will say that I don't know about a party.... it's possible.  

But I will say that I don't for one second believe the beach story. I don't think they were ever there.


I wish I could agree with you on this, but I can't. The 2:35 telephone call came from the beach-hotel area.  All the statements converge on the fisherman hut beach area. Croes, the Tatoo, Wever, the casino, were all in the area. The huts were broken into, and a cage, knife , and rope were taken. The gardener says he say Deepak, Joran, the car, in the area at about 2:50 am.


I hafta say I'm agreeing with Spock on this one.

After all, we all know how logical Spock is.


Let's not forget the boat launch north of the Marriott and the one in Malmok where the Gottenbos lived.


I really think the Gottenbos' boat was involved in Natalee's disposal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 07:01:13 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I love this pic of Anita's face!!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/AnitahearssizeofPaulusswin-uglyface.jpg)

She's with Palus & ARli Swaen whne they hear the size of Paulus's 50,000 florin win - which was later reversed so she got nothing. Greedy little beoyotch.


One thing that bothers me about the Dutch system, is that a prominent businessman that is wrongly arrested can get a huge award, but someone like a security guard is due virtually nothing because "they have no reputation to protect". Thats the way they do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
BT... I think my post was very logical. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
BT... I think my post was very logical. :lol:


Of course, Captain!  :D

But it's not possible for anyone to be more logical than Spock.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 07:12:02 PM
U are not nuts wreck.IIRC,I stated it was gcv groping NAH by the pool and later.Koen's house was easy to launch a boat from.I think it was a group effort,that carryed on after the other rapes stopped.That is because joran was in charge.IMO,a group is responsible,but the main perps have been named.None,are you saying the dutch on aruba have small.....naw,I won't go there.I am waiting for two things,Natalee's remains to come home and a trial.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 07:12:12 PM
O/T

Live video of the steam explosion in Manhatten:



http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local_enterprise&id=5489626


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 07:13:51 PM
I have no problem with any post,since we do not know the truth.Oh Klass,drop me an email,Please


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

Live video of the steam explosion in Manhatten:



http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local_enterprise&id=5489626


That must have been really terrifying.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I have no problem with any post,since we do not know the truth.Oh Klass,drop me an email,Please


Done  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"

Let's not forget the boat launch north of the Marriott and the one in Malmok where the Gottenbos lived.


I really think the Gottenbos' boat was involved in Natalee's disposal.


I do too BT.  I do too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 07:37:05 PM
The group effort was the problem.The pimp code was to rape,film,release.Only now the one or two pimps who couldn't or wouldn't stop were in charge.Were the K2's ever in trouble for violent things,killing animals,or fighting?Joran was and LVR was.Gvc was known to be ADHD and out of control,I rest my case


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm


To follow-up; why did you select the "Cunucu" houses?
If I recall the VDS "Condo" was supposedly near the "drained pond" area.
The "Cunucu" houses are toward the southern tip of the island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
What is Joran doing these days?  Has he been on anymore Dutch TV, or radio programs?  Is he going to summer school, or just hitting the bars?

What is Anita doing?  Is she in Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 07:47:16 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Can anyone find more references to this call?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 07:47:58 PM
Please note the calls were either by the perps,or NAH.I don't think she got a call,IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Please note the calls were either by the perps,or NAH.I don't think she got a call,IMO

I think she got a call off.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "wreck"
Something that has stuck with me from early on -- and no one ever talks about or mentions anymore:

I recall that it was said the Van Der Sloots owned a Condo/Time Share that they rented out. It was supposedly near the Marriott/Racquet Club area.  

Does anyone recall this -- or am I nuts? (okay, you don't have to answer that!)

I remember that, and didn't some wonder if they could have taken her there?  Was it *kind of* near where they drained the pond?



Is this what you mean???
http://www.aruba-info.com/cunucu-house.htm



To follow-up; why did you select the "Cunucu" houses?
If I recall the VDS "Condo" was supposedly near the "drained pond" area.
The "Cunucu" houses are toward the southern tip of the island.


That is the only type of property that I heard they may own...I do not believe I ever heard of a 'condo'. I really do not know much about it...was just asking if that is what you were talking about. I know at BFN they have discussed the 'Cunucu'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 08:08:56 PM
Has anyone seen this??
Posted at:
http://www.slobokan.com/archives/2005/07/31/beth-holloway-twitty-returns-home/

Sandra | Dec 3, 2006 | Reply

does anyone know if they’ve s does anyone know if they’ve searched the caves? My visions have been of Joran carrying her & crying. I believe she’s in the cave between two walls of rock slumped against a rock wall leaning to the right-I also have seen a tipped over paint can with the #44 & a lollipop shaped topiary tipped over with purple flowers. An older vehicle with large fenders/wheel wells & trash of some sort. The smell of bat dung is also evident. My visions have been that she did die from some sort of overdose (ectasy maybe?) but I also feel she did not take this on her own that it was slipped in her drink. I think this is something that Joran has been doing on a regular basis (drugging young women) but this time backfired on him. I need to relay this information to someone who will act on it. I’ve been in contact with reporters & tried the Prosecutor but of course she’s not answering her phone & one of the reporters has been very helpful but I’m getting impatient-I want there to be enough evidence left-bat dung is very corrosive and there is a lot of it in the caves. If someone can give me some ideas on how I can reach her mother I would really appreciate it. I close with my prayers to her family.
~~~~~~~~~~
Just wondering if any of you had seen this site...WARNING>several Beth bashers and very BAD grammar and spelling there, big time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IBE on July 18, 2007, 08:16:35 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Obviously that is not a picture of THE Lorenzo because we know what he looks like from the Diario pictures of his arrest.  That walking guy, in the
picture, has dark hair, and the real Lorenzo is a skinhead.


Am some pages behind, so sorry if this has already been covered but I didn't think Lorenzo was a skinhead in his pictures lately when arrested. Isn't a skinhead like all shaved/bald?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Has anyone seen this??
Posted at:
http://www.slobokan.com/archives/2005/07/31/beth-holloway-twitty-returns-home/

Sandra | Dec 3, 2006 | Reply

does anyone know if they’ve s does anyone know if they’ve searched the caves? My visions have been of Joran carrying her & crying. I believe she’s in the cave between two walls of rock slumped against a rock wall leaning to the right-I also have seen a tipped over paint can with the #44 & a lollipop shaped topiary tipped over with purple flowers. An older vehicle with large fenders/wheel wells & trash of some sort. The smell of bat dung is also evident. My visions have been that she did die from some sort of overdose (ectasy maybe?) but I also feel she did not take this on her own that it was slipped in her drink. I think this is something that Joran has been doing on a regular basis (drugging young women) but this time backfired on him. I need to relay this information to someone who will act on it. I’ve been in contact with reporters & tried the Prosecutor but of course she’s not answering her phone & one of the reporters has been very helpful but I’m getting impatient-I want there to be enough evidence left-bat dung is very corrosive and there is a lot of it in the caves. If someone can give me some ideas on how I can reach her mother I would really appreciate it. I close with my prayers to her family.
~~~~~~~~~~
Just wondering if any of you had seen this site...WARNING>several Beth bashers and very BAD grammar and spelling there, big time.

The Canoshito caves perhaps??????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Can anyone find more references to this call?


Spock

NOT   2:26... but
DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=31186&highlight=call#31186

Quote
After having chatted with John I went into the living room and watched TV. Between 02.45 and 03.15 hours, I cannot remember the exact time it was, Joran phoned me. He asked me what I was doing. I answered that I was watching television. I asked him, and you? He answered that he was at that moment in time walking home


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
Nut-

Interesting post, the superduper expert on all caves in Aruba (self-proclaimed of course) is the great rat man. The Fontein Cave was very suspect by some as a possible hiding spot, lots of research done to qualify the live springs closeby, the openings in the cave floor (small not cave entrances), and the many twisted pathways. It's a cave chocked full of bats according to rat man, with no porous openings and according to him no fresh water or brackish water anywhere close to it.

He is a native Aruban though, they have all the answers.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 08:22:52 PM
FYI:

"I have absolutely no intentions of working with Renfro on this case, rest assured of that."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
FYI:

"I have absolutely no intentions of working with Renfro on this case, rest assured of that."


 :shock:  :shock:   so he does plan on working with her?? :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Can anyone find more references to this call?


DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=31186&highlight=call#31186

Quote
After having chatted with John I went into the living room and watched TV. Between 02.45 and 03.15 hours, I cannot remember the exact time it was, Joran phoned me. He asked me what I was doing. I answered that I was watching television. I asked him, and you? He answered that he was at that moment in time walking home


Odd that, in all of Joran's police statements, I haven't found him referring to this call, can anyone find Joran saying it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Can anyone find more references to this call?


Spock

NOT   2:26... but
DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=31186&highlight=call#31186

Quote
After having chatted with John I went into the living room and watched TV. Between 02.45 and 03.15 hours, I cannot remember the exact time it was, Joran phoned me. He asked me what I was doing. I answered that I was watching television. I asked him, and you? He answered that he was at that moment in time walking home


Chit  :oops:
JORAN 06/14/2005 STATEMENT
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=32325&highlight=call#32325

Quote
I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 18, 2007, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Obviously that is not a picture of THE Lorenzo because we know what he looks like from the Diario pictures of his arrest.  That walking guy, in the
picture, has dark hair, and the real Lorenzo is a skinhead.


Am some pages behind, so sorry if this has already been covered but I didn't think Lorenzo was a skinhead in his pictures lately when arrested. Isn't a skinhead like all shaved/bald?


I agree....Lorenzo has now what we here in Maine call a 'buzz' cut, lol...buzz==no pun intended Lorenzo!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I have never been sure there was a call, Spock.  If we have definative proof, I would revise my theory though.


Let's see what we can find regarding this call, you have me thinking...

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (from CTV 5/10/06  and CNN 2/23/06). I do not see the call mentioned in Joran's police statements but am looking.


Can anyone find more references to this call?


Spock

NOT   2:26... but
DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=31186&highlight=call#31186

Quote
After having chatted with John I went into the living room and watched TV. Between 02.45 and 03.15 hours, I cannot remember the exact time it was, Joran phoned me. He asked me what I was doing. I answered that I was watching television. I asked him, and you? He answered that he was at that moment in time walking home


Chit  :oops:
JORAN 06/14/2005 STATEMENT
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=32325&highlight=call#32325

Quote
I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up


Thanks Oldfart, I am confident the call was made sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 am, I also heard Dompig mention that it was an eight minute call. I do think this call puts Joran in the beach area at about 2:45 am.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 08:44:16 PM
Wreck,
I think the property you may be thinking of is one of the new small homes being built in the area of the Racquetball Club.  The poster Selena that someone commented this morning sounds like our missing Tylergal once posted information on that.  There was such a townhouse or small house listed under the same phone number as the vd Sloot property.

Later, Selena corrected it as we discovered that ALL the property listed had the same phone number and it was not for the Sloots but rather the real estate agent, in other words was all the property that agent had listed.

It had nothing to do with the Sloots other than having the same real estate agent.  But from time to time even until this day, her first post appears but not the later one correcting that.
So AFAIK, there are no other property holdings of the Sloots despite there once having been reported as there being some.

But that is a possible source for that rumor of other property being owned by the Sloots.  
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I love this pic of Anita's face!!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/AnitahearssizeofPaulusswin-uglyface.jpg)

She's with Palus & ARli Swaen whne they hear the size of Paulus's 50,000 florin win - which was later reversed so she got nothing. Greedy little beoyotch.


One thing that bothers me about the Dutch system, is that a prominent businessman that is wrongly arrested can get a huge award, but someone like a security guard is due virtually nothing because "they have no reputation to protect". Thats the way they do it.


Nice dunk Spock - the Dutch that migrate to Aruba are there for one reason, to take advantage of the system that makes them superior. The Dutch that inhabit Aruba are opportunists that make, hold and mete out the laws for their own gain. The native Arubans in their eyes are subservants.
Groupies like RenHO and MR are caught up in the flash hoping that if they suckup, they'll be somehow recognized as being on the same level.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Wreck,
I think the property you may be thinking of is one of the new small homes being built in the area of the Racquetball Club.  The poster Selena that someone commented this morning sounds like our missing Tylergal once posted information on that.  There was such a townhouse or small house listed under the same phone number as the vd Sloot property.

Later, Selena corrected it as we discovered that ALL the property listed had the same phone number and it was not for the Sloots but rather the real estate agent, in other words was all the property that agent had listed.

It had nothing to do with the Sloots other than having the same real estate agent.  But from time to time even until this day, her first post appears but not the later one correcting that.
So AFAIK, there are no other property holdings of the Sloots despite there once having been reported as there being some.

But that is a possible source for that rumor of other property being owned by the Sloots.  
.

Makes sense, thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
FYI:

"I have absolutely no intentions of working with Renfro on this case, rest assured of that."


 :shock:  :shock:   so he does plan on working with her?? :shock:  :shock:


I don't think so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
Spock:
Quote
Thanks Oldfart, I am confident the call was made sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 am, I also heard Dompig mention that it was an eight minute call. I do think this call puts Joran in the beach area at about 2:45 am.

I see what you are saying, but I cannot trust ANYTHING Dompig has ever uttered -- be it for or against Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 18, 2007, 08:51:02 PM
In one of the recent interviews, I believe Jensen, Joran did not remember or had no explanation of why he messaged ty for waitng for me . As in waiting up at home. He might have not mentioned it at first as he never seemed to mention a thing unless he was confronted with proof positive and then he built a stupid lie around the fact as the facts were presented to him. That, I believe is why his "' stories " seem so fractured and make no sense.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Quote from: "Spock"

<<Snip >>
Thanks Oldfart, I am confident the call was made sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 am, I also heard Dompig mention that it was an eight minute call. I do think this call puts Joran in the beach area at about 2:45 am.


I wonder how big of area their cell phone tracking can get down too.
As in at the Racquet club ... :?
Since you pointed it out.... when and where did Joran say he walked home ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 08:52:26 PM
I'm getting foreclosure notices on my Farm.  Can anyone help me?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 18, 2007, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Wreck,
I think the property you may be thinking of is one of the new small homes being built in the area of the Racquetball Club.  The poster Selena that someone commented this morning sounds like our missing Tylergal once posted information on that.  There was such a townhouse or small house listed under the same phone number as the vd Sloot property.

Later, Selena corrected it as we discovered that ALL the property listed had the same phone number and it was not for the Sloots but rather the real estate agent, in other words was all the property that agent had listed.

It had nothing to do with the Sloots other than having the same real estate agent.  But from time to time even until this day, her first post appears but not the later one correcting that.
So AFAIK, there are no other property holdings of the Sloots despite there once having been reported as there being some.

But that is a possible source for that rumor of other property being owned by the Sloots.  
.



Thank you Anna....I was there for both posts....and knew that the phone number belonged to the Realtor....I looked at most of the listings just to see what housing was like in Aruba....so glad that you were able to hold
that information....it matters as to whether Joran had readily available
housing in the Racquetball Club area.  I do not think he did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 18, 2007, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
FYI:

"I have absolutely no intentions of working with Renfro on this case, rest assured of that."


Did I miss something here?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Spock"
Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.


Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder
GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH


If Joran did not make the school bus in the morning at his home and did meet up with the bus on the southside of the island, we can assume he went back out after the 3:15 logs.


I think quite a few of the "pimps" met up for an after hours party. Joran and the Kalpoes were there first and left when the second group showed up. It is possible they came back once their alibi's were set.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 08:58:12 PM
O/T
I saw where Anna uses Ispell...
Just wondering if she has it do funny things after running a check?

My keyboard sometimes goes bonkers afterwords  :?  :shock:

Oh and the pic of Anita with the finger pointed at her...
Her facial expression is like it smells really, really bad  
JMO of course  and sorry for being O/T


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I'm getting foreclosure notices on my Farm.  Can anyone help me?

IndyDan - this really sucks.  I'm trying to see if someone knows anyone that can help you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I'm getting foreclosure notices on my Farm.  Can anyone help me?


Indy, this may be a stupid question but do you have an attorney?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sue on July 18, 2007, 08:58:33 PM


OT

This just in from King 5 News.
 
Terapon Adhahm the suspect in the Zina Linnik murder and person of interest in Adre'anna Jackson's death, has been booked on multiple counts in two unrelated cases of child rape, including more than 50 counts of child rape.

Thank god they got this guy off the street


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I'm getting foreclosure notices on my Farm.  Can anyone help me?


What's going on?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 09:01:15 PM
Indy Dan,

In a previous life I worked with banks.  I also did some real estate investing in foreclosure area.  Here's what I know.  The most important thing is DO NOT IGNORE THOSE NOTICES.  The dates are serious. You need to contact them.  If you are at least responsive then they will work with you.  If you ignore them they will go after you.  You cannot ignore the due dates for action items.  

Good luck!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
O/T
I saw where Anna uses Ispell...
Just wondering if she has it do funny things after running a check?

My keyboard sometimes goes bonkers afterwords  :?  :shock:

Oh and the pic of Anita with the finger pointed at her...
Her facial expression is like it smells really, really bad  
JMO of course  and sorry for being O/T


I have used IESpell for years with no troubles (except that I actually only remember to use it about 10 seconds AFTER I post!)
 :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


 :lol:  :lol: WHEW!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 18, 2007, 09:04:55 PM
Indy you had our collective 'mom" Klaas all worried  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
O/T
I saw where Anna uses Ispell...
Just wondering if she has it do funny things after running a check?

My keyboard sometimes goes bonkers afterwords  :?  :shock:

Oh and the pic of Anita with the finger pointed at her...
Her facial expression is like it smells really, really bad  
JMO of course  and sorry for being O/T


OF,

No, I have never had iespell do anything the least bit strange.  I did get booted off SM several times today but was not at times I was running iespell.  It has a dictionary component too that I have not used much but nice to know it is there.  Sometimes my computer goes bonkers when I am typing and accidentally bump the mouse.

Otherwise, nothing.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

\ :x
:smt021

and here I thought you were having the same problems as JerryfromOhio


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 09:07:35 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


That's not the first time a joke fell flat. lol

Isn't someone really having a problem with their property right now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


And here I sit all teary eyed and saying a prayer for you!  Bad Indy, Bad!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


Had Willie Nelson on the phone.....   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 18, 2007, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


 :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Indy you had our collective 'mom" Klaas all worried  :lol:  :lol:

 :smt058
wuv you kwaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 09:10:16 PM
Geez.... you got us all riled up their Indy!  LOL  Least you know we all care.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


Had Willie Nelson on the phone.....   8)


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Anna on July 18, 2007, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Indy you had our collective 'mom" Klaas all worried  :lol:  :lol:

 :smt058
wuv you kwaas.


Well, you're just lucky you didn't get a prayer thread started, candles lit and hugged to death!  It was close there for a minute. :D

Just relieved and happy it was a Robots joke.

Speaking of whom, where is Robots today?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


ROTFL - Hey JCM lives only 22 miles from me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "oldfart"
O/T
I saw where Anna uses Ispell...
Just wondering if she has it do funny things after running a check?

My keyboard sometimes goes bonkers afterwords  :?  :shock:

Oh and the pic of Anita with the finger pointed at her...
Her facial expression is like it smells really, really bad  
JMO of course  and sorry for being O/T


OF,

No, I have never had ispell do anything the least bit strange.  I did get booted off SM several times today but was not at times I was running iespell.  It has a dictionary component too that I have not used much but nice to know it is there.  Sometimes my computer goes bonkers when I am typing and accidentally bump the mouse.

Otherwise, nothing.

.

Anna & Wreck
TY... I think I will make a note to download the latest and re-install.
Most the time it happens if if run the spell check  then start typing more stuff.
Sometime the key board locks after 10-15 characters  and I have to click on where I am at in the post.  Other times it will back out of the tab or window all together    :?
thanks again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 18, 2007, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Obviously that is not a picture of THE Lorenzo because we know what he looks like from the Diario pictures of his arrest.  That walking guy, in the
picture, has dark hair, and the real Lorenzo is a skinhead.


Am some pages behind, so sorry if this has already been covered but I didn't think Lorenzo was a skinhead in his pictures lately when arrested. Isn't a skinhead like all shaved/bald?


Yes i think you are correct. Skinhead also usually carries Arian/nazi affiliation  which was not the case when the term originated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 18, 2007, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


ROTFL - Hey JCM lives only 22 miles from me.


LOL you guys are just to funny!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
:oops:  :oops:   And when I want to say something important to me it normally gets totally ignored - go figure.  But I will say nothing hurts my feelings, I'm just happy to be here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, back up the truck my monkey friends.  The "foreclosure" post was a dig at Robots "bet the farm".  Sorry about that.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


And here I sit all teary eyed and saying a prayer for you!  Bad Indy, Bad!!! :D


I was feeling badly too. But I know it was a joke now :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:19:19 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Geez.... you got us all riled up their Indy!  LOL  Least you know we all care.   :lol:


 :smt056


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: "Spock"


<snipped>

I am confident the call was made sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 am, I also heard Dompig mention that it was an eight minute call. I do think this call puts Joran in the beach area at about 2:45 am.


Spock ... the gardener's testimony puts Joran and Deepak sitting in Deepak's vehicle across the street from the Marriot Beach at 2:30 AM on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet


Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005


I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
:oops:  :oops:   And when I want to say something important to me it normally gets totally ignored - go figure.  But I will say nothing hurts my feelings, I'm just happy to be here.


I the  past......
some people that felt  ingnore ... found color and font to be effective.. Kinda like standing up and shouting


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:24:34 PM
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


thats pretty funny  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


Yep and good things come in 3s.  Peaches is gonna just fine as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 09:28:02 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


I would expect no less.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Indydan - Please start a thread in the Monkey Lounge and give us more details if you can.


I will say that I'm taken aback that there was an immediate interest in this.  You guys truly are good and sincere folk.  I'm honored to be a part of this.


... Gee, I had already booked John Cougar Mellenkamp to do a benefit for you!!  :lol:  :wink:


Had Willie Nelson on the phone.....   8)

***************************
Hey I had Van Halen play my birthday party...I'm sure I can get them to hook you up...lol....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 09:34:09 PM
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 18, 2007, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
:oops:  :oops:   And when I want to say something important to me it normally gets totally ignored - go figure.  But I will say nothing hurts my feelings, I'm just happy to be here.


I the  past......
some people that felt  ingnore ... found color and font to be effective.. Kinda like standing up and shouting

Good point OF and thanks.  But in reality, it just feels good sometimes to say what I want to say just to get it off my chest.  I don't get too hung up with who agrees and disagrees with me. I'm just happy to part of the family.
The only thing we all know for certain is that Natalee was escorted out of  CnC's that night by the 3 stooges and has never been seen or heard from again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 09:36:55 PM
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:37:49 PM
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:38:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


I was thinking more of just  :smt064  a small hole in it  :roll:

I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?

********************************
The Peoples Republic of California


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


I was thinking more of just  :smt064  a small hole in it  :roll:

I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


I thought he had posted that he had indeed lost his property.  :(  :(  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?

********************************
The Peoples Republic of California


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Did you say NJ and China next?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?

I guess the suspects still had full authority to decline the offer.  Of course, Joran isn't in Aruba and we don't know if he's be requestioned by KLPD in the NL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 09:42:16 PM
O/T – I’m watching and listening to John Denver on PBS.  Whether or not you liked his musical talent or even how he lived his life, you have got to admit the guy was one helluva poet for our times.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?


I do not think that we know or will know for a while if they conducted any interviews... while in Aruba


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?

********************************
The Peoples Republic of California


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Did you say NJ and China next?

**********************
I think so..but you never know...lol.....things change fast in my world!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Spock:
Quote
Thanks Oldfart, I am confident the call was made sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 am, I also heard Dompig mention that it was an eight minute call. I do think this call puts Joran in the beach area at about 2:45 am.

I see what you are saying, but I cannot trust ANYTHING Dompig has ever uttered -- be it for or against Natalee.


this still falls into the "details" they made up to enhance their story, IMO... didn't we have the cell phone records at one point... that is the proof I want...I don't believe the calls between joran and k2 exist, because they were together ... and boys don't call each other to say I'm home..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?

********************************
The Peoples Republic of California


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Did you say NJ and China next?

**********************
I think so..but you never know...lol.....things change fast in my world!!


Well, if it's China, be careful what you eat (and brush your teeth with)  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
It's time to play:  Where In The World Is Metro?

California?
New Jersey?

********************************
The Peoples Republic of California


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Did you say NJ and China next?

**********************
I think so..but you never know...lol.....things change fast in my world!!


Well, if it's China, be careful what you eat (and brush your teeth with)  :shock:

*****************************
That may be ok...I need to loose the 10lbs I gained after I quite smoking so I can get back to svelt middle aged physique...lol...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS

Exactly.  We are not seeing the true phone records.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:49:52 PM
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS


this is what I am trying to say, and I don't believe they were ever on the beach... I think he harmed her in his home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Easy said that the other night he had a strange nightmare about struggling to get through some place to where he was going, and that it was like hell. I told him not to worry - he was only dreaming about the Atlanta airport.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Easy said that the other night he had a strange nightmare about struggling to get through some place to where he was going, and that it was like hell. I told him not to worry - he was only dreaming about the Atlanta airport.  :lol:

************************
Hell yeah!!! That is soooo true!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


I was thinking more of just  :smt064  a small hole in it  :roll:

I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


the thread in the lounge says May I ask you to pray for me?  or a similar title... unfortunately, Jerry did lose the farm... it was an eminent domain case... I personally would love to see him on H&C, because that is one of the few things they actually get right. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 09:54:57 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"

<<Snip>>
I thought he had posted that he had indeed lost his property.  :(  :(  :(


Thanks BT..
It was in the lounge i just did not read far enough  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS


this is what I am trying to say, and I don't believe they were ever on the beach... I think he harmed her in his home.


I'm probably in a minority, but I do think they took her to the beach, the "something bad" happened, then they took her to the VDS residence, and from there Paulus orchestrated the disposal and coverup. She was probably only injured when they took her to the VDS residence and died while she was there.

Of course, that's only my opinion, and my dear old dad has always said opinions are like butts - everybody has one.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS

Exactly.  We are not seeing the true phone records.


I don't think so either.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?


Spock ... I do not recall anything pertaining to the Dutch investigators bringing Joran, Deepak and Satish in for requestioning.

Janet

 
SEPTEMBER 2005

Within days following the release of Joran, Deepak and Satish with conditions ... those conditions were lifted ... the suspect no longer had restrictions on travel and ... they were not required to be available for questioning.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB
September 17, 2005

"An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions. Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.


DECEMBER 2005

Steve Cohen stated that Joran, Deepak and Satish were to be brought in for questioning by Gerold Dompig over the Christmas break in regards to timeline discrepancies ... it never happened.

Antonio Carlo
Live and Direct - Jane Velez-Mitchell
MSNBC - December 30, 2005


ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT`S ATTORNEY: OK, the information that I can provide at this time is that my client, under the Aruban law, cannot be obligated to come before the (INAUDIBLE) prosecutor to answer questions because he has now -- he has been released without any conditions. So under Aruban -- under Aruban law, he cannot be obligated to be brought forth to answer questions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: "Mrs. Red"

<<Snip >>>
this is what I am trying to say, and I don't believe they were ever on the beach... I think he harmed her in his home.


Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm probably in a minority, but I do think they took her to the beach, the "something bad" happened, then they took her to the VDS residence, and from there Paulus orchestrated the disposal and coverup. She was probably only injured when they took her to the VDS residence and died while she was there.

Of course, that's only my opinion, and my dear old dad has always said opinions are like butts - everybody has one. :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:   Mom used that expression too  
but more often than not she used Ass Hxxxs    when she was finally pushed into saying it :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Easy said that the other night he had a strange nightmare about struggling to get through some place to where he was going, and that it was like hell. I told him not to worry - he was only dreaming about the Atlanta airport.  :lol:

************************
Hell yeah!!! That is soooo true!!

********************
Actually...now that I think about it...Easy must have been at the Newark airport...it's worse!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
BT... it's true we all have butts, monkey butts :lol:

I just find the timing of what happened before Natalee arrived and the lie twisted to make it fit.. suspicious.  

In one statement, I forget which, but I think it's Joran's he mentions driving by his house...

I think there is film of the rape and Freddy was spending the night... who was pulled in as the cameraman before...

so I think they went 30 minutes before closing as to make it easier for themselves... and then they slipped the drug in her drink and drove around for the drug to completely take effect and then they took her to the apt... or the main vds house... it's just my theory...

and it's a damn good theory at that... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 10:03:25 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Easy said that the other night he had a strange nightmare about struggling to get through some place to where he was going, and that it was like hell. I told him not to worry - he was only dreaming about the Atlanta airport.  :lol:

************************
Hell yeah!!! That is soooo true!!

********************
Actually...now that I think about it...Easy must have been at the Newark airport...it's worse!!


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
I didn't know anywhere could be worse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS


this is what I am trying to say, and I don't believe they were ever on the beach... I think he harmed her in his home.


I agree. IIRC there were fishermen near there and stated they saw none of the 4 on the beach that night. I believe the fishermen. They have no reason to lie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
Klaasend  / SAN
If you have a chance can you fix my pooched post of BT ...
Thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:06:33 PM
OS... true that.  Also wouldn't there be people walking on the beach... didn't the Arubans state over and over that it was normal for people to be walking on the beach?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 18, 2007, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?


Spock ... I do not recall anything pertaining to the Dutch investigators bringing Joran, Deepak and Satish in for requestioning.

Janet

 
SEPTEMBER 2005

Within days following the release of Joran, Deepak and Satish with conditions ... those conditions were lifted ... the suspect no longer had restrictions on travel and ... they were not required to be available for questioning.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB
September 17, 2005

"An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions. Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.


DECEMBER 2005

Steve Cohen stated that Joran, Deepak and Satish were to be brought in for questioning by Gerold Dompig over the Christmas break in regards to timeline discrepancies ... it never happened.

Antonio Carlo
Live and Direct - Jane Velez-Mitchell
MSNBC - December 30, 2005


ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT`S ATTORNEY: OK, the information that I can provide at this time is that my client, under the Aruban law, cannot be obligated to come before the (INAUDIBLE) prosecutor to answer questions because he has now -- he has been released without any conditions. So under Aruban -- under Aruban law, he cannot be obligated to be brought forth to answer questions.


I agree with the case law Janet, but I remember Jossy saying unequivocally:  "Yes sir, the Dutch will be coming with full authority to requestion the suspects, otherwisw, why would they come?"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Lived and worked in Atlanta when I was but a young man void of fear and eager for experience.  Each night around 10:00 I would stand at a bus stop in the freezing cold, ride as far as the bus would take me and then walk those remaining blocks to work.  The little place where I worked was located in a part of town that carried a reputation, but I was oblivious to the danger.  I was just too damn hungry to give it much thought.

Night after night I would go through that ritual and each morning before daylight I would begin my journey back to an old boarding house many, many blocks away.  That time in my life was an adventure for sure, but now I wouldn’t re-live those days for anything this world has to offer. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"


I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


I thought he had posted that he had indeed lost his property.  :(  :(  :(


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1286&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jerry+farm&start=20

July 13, 2007

Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Thought of you again yesterday and said another quick prayer for you, Jerry.  I hope you'll remember to update us if there's news.


   Well all Thank you EVERYONE  that prayed and or even thought about me during during the
largest crisis in my life that ai have ever faced .
   But now it is over ,  the court ruled that the predator buyer could and did stay within all the guide lines for our county and state laws and that since he has the cash and I did not and couldn't raise most of it that the sale did go thru .
    I am in sort of shock and very numb but I never thought that for a lousy $ 22,000 dollars that they could and did sell my family farm away from me after my being here 56 years  and the family owning it for 150 years .
   I am not sure what I am going to do now I  will have 30 days after Monday  to figure that out,  
  How to move a farms worth of equipment and the like in 30 days  will be a real miracle.
  About all I can say now is that for some reason that I can't understand, God  didn't want me here any longer is all I can figure .
    I still have faith ,and still believe, but this was a terrible blow and am not sure why but it was left up to him ( I had placed it in Gods hands early this week when I could not do any more on my own . ) and he said no and I just have to accept that as his decision and I will try to move on and start again i guess .
Thanks again everyone  for all your support  you all mean a lot to me with you all I am really not alone .   your friend  Jerry from Ohio  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
BT... it's true we all have butts, monkey butts :lol:



(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/monkeybuttpowder.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend  / SAN
If you have a chance can you fix my pooched post of BT ...
Thanks

Fixed, I think  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 10:10:39 PM
testing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 18, 2007, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Phone calls:

joet says, jvds says, dk says, dompig says.

What proof exists that the phone records presented are true and accurate?

I mean in a coverup...

If they had stuck with the HI story, would there be no phone records, everyone tucked neat and nicely in bed..

Coverup=make the evidence fit the story.

where did the phone records with triag. come from?

dk can't be both places=home on pc and near beach. so which is correct?

OS


this is what I am trying to say, and I don't believe they were ever on the beach... I think he harmed her in his home.


I'm probably in a minority, but I do think they took her to the beach, the "something bad" happened, then they took her to the VDS residence, and from there Paulus orchestrated the disposal and coverup. She was probably only injured when they took her to the VDS residence and died while she was there.

Of course, that's only my opinion, and my dear old dad has always said opinions are like butts - everybody has one.  :lol:


Quote
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject:    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wreck wrote:
I just don't see the beach as being the actual murder place -- I DO think her body was taken to
 the beach though. Personally, I think she died (or was very close to death) at the VDS house.
 They paniced and dumped her near the fisherman's huts. They went back and told Paulus and then they
 went BACK to the beach and moved her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
testing


Well...um...oh my!!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Lived and worked in Atlanta when I was but a young man void of fear and eager for experience.  Each night around 10:00 I would stand at a bus stop in the freezing cold, ride as far as the bus would take me and then walk those remaining blocks to work.  The little place where I worked was located in a part of town that carried a reputation, but I was oblivious to the danger.  I was just too damn hungry to give it much thought.

Night after night I would go through that ritual and each morning before daylight I would begin my journey back to an old boarding house many, many blocks away.  That time in my life was an adventure for sure, but now I wouldn’t re-live those days for anything this world has to offer. lol

***************************
If you were you'd pretty much need a firearm and a bulletproof vest...it's pretty damn scary in the ATL and that's in the good areas!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:13:51 PM
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
testing


rob, that avatar is DISTRUBING :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
testing


NO Rob...
It looks like on or both of the k's  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 18, 2007, 10:17:38 PM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=3922929

Link to a candle Vicki has at the gratefulness.org site.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


Is that from the Meez site?  If you save it as a .gif you will retain some animation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 18, 2007, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
testing

Take it back to the lab Rob, Please ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 18, 2007, 10:20:09 PM
If they KLPD wanted to interview J2K they could, IMO. Maybe they already have.

The new *evidence* that overturned earlier search warrant restrictions and allowed the Sloot dig could have also be used to overturn the interrogation restrictions. Or the KLPD also could use Joran's post-release contradictions/lies to overturn the interrogation restrictions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 18, 2007, 10:20:17 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
This is O/T as usual but I got a real chuckle out of a comment I say on a message board elsewhere from a person inquiring about moving to Atlanta...another poster replied:

"Yeah move to Augusta, The ATL is full"

I sat and giggled out loud....it's pretty much true though!!


Lived and worked in Atlanta when I was but a young man void of fear and eager for experience.  Each night around 10:00 I would stand at a bus stop in the freezing cold, ride as far as the bus would take me and then walk those remaining blocks to work.  The little place where I worked was located in a part of town that carried a reputation, but I was oblivious to the danger.  I was just too damn hungry to give it much thought.

Night after night I would go through that ritual and each morning before daylight I would begin my journey back to an old boarding house many, many blocks away.  That time in my life was an adventure for sure, but now I wouldn’t re-live those days for anything this world has to offer. lol

***************************
If you were you'd pretty much need a firearm and a bulletproof vest...it's pretty damn scary in the ATL and that's in the good areas!!


It was rough back in those days and I ran into some serious situations, but I thought I could deal with whatever came my way.  The day I interviewed for that job, the place was robbed while I was being shown around.  Every dollar I had was in my back pocket and while I was stretched out on the floor with a gun to my head I kept thinking all my money was about to disappear.  The two guys in ski mask did not even check me for money and I took the job the next day.  What a brave, young dumbass I was in those days. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


Is that from the Meez site?  If you save it as a .gif you will retain some animation.


it's moving in my bucket, but I didn't save it. Meez did right to my bucket.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 18, 2007, 10:23:08 PM
I hear the phantom toothbrusher approaching.  :shock:

Better hit the hay.

Night night and sweet dreams everyone.  :smt058


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey Bunny ears   :wink: .... how is the arm/hand doing ?

Kat_Gram
I'm  :oops:  to ask..  Vicki ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



Merciful heavens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Did say merciful heavens????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 18, 2007, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hear the phantom toothbrusher approaching.  :shock:

Better hit the hay.

Night night and sweet dreams everyone.  :smt058


good nite BT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey Bunny ears   :wink: .... how is the arm/hand doing ?

Kat_Gram
I'm  :oops:  to ask..  Vicki ???


 no good here oldfart.. but i had to sign on and laugh at robs new avi.   :lol:  still in alot of pain and sucks to not move my arm and hand. i am getting very cranky.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hear the phantom toothbrusher approaching.  :shock:

Better hit the hay.

Night night and sweet dreams everyone.  :smt058


good nite BT


 :shock:  are you wearing a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


Is that from the Meez site?  If you save it as a .gif you will retain some animation.


it's moving in my bucket, but I didn't save it. Meez did right to my bucket.



I say start over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
Guess who this is?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mz_05_10017916346.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
If they KLPD wanted to interview J2K they could, IMO. Maybe they already have.

The new *evidence* that overturned earlier search warrant restrictions and allowed the Sloot dig could have also be used to overturn the interrogation restrictions. Or the KLPD also could use Joran's post-release contradictions/lies to overturn the interrogation restrictions.


great point Igsigs!  I would love see the back of the van discussion that CBB< ANNA< and Tyler did comparing the lies...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


Is that from the Meez site?  If you save it as a .gif you will retain some animation.


it's moving in my bucket, but I didn't save it. Meez did right to my bucket.


I thought Rob was trying to be Kharzi from Afghanistan!

I say start over.
:lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 18, 2007, 10:30:26 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hear the phantom toothbrusher approaching.  :shock:

Better hit the hay.

Night night and sweet dreams everyone.  :smt058


good nite BT


 :shock:  are you wearing a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

**************************
Heh...heh...heh.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OS... true that.  Also wouldn't there be people walking on the beach... didn't the Arubans state over and over that it was normal for people to be walking on the beach?


Yes and yes.

The beach story makes no sense to me with all the dk, sk, I walked.
Just more lies.

If Natalee was on the beach imo, it was after the fact, put her there and someone with a boat arrives. Not sure about that angle in my thoughts yet. And because NO one on that island can tell the truth. Dang it.

I mean we hear that dk's car is soooooo loud.

I do believe the gardner because of dk's reaction to the witness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:30:44 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hear the phantom toothbrusher approaching.  :shock:

Better hit the hay.

Night night and sweet dreams everyone.  :smt058


THIS is not BT or Mr. BT.  ....    

But she did mention phantom as in scary (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/brushing-teeth.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Guess who this is?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mz_05_10017916346.gif)


Looks like a rat to me :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 18, 2007, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Guess who this is?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mz_05_10017916346.gif)


That is a piece of art!  Great work!!!!

Rob, my post got screwed up.. I think you look like Kharzi from Afghanistan.  LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"


 :shock:  are you wearing a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   I loved that on FRIENDS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OS... true that.  Also wouldn't there be people walking on the beach... didn't the Arubans state over and over that it was normal for people to be walking on the beach?


Yes and yes.

The beach story makes no sense to me with all the dk, sk, I walked.
Just more lies.

If Natalee was on the beach imo, it was after the fact, put her there and someone with a boat arrives. Not sure about that angle in my thoughts yet. And because NO one on that island can tell the truth. Dang it.

I mean we hear that dk's car is soooooo loud.

I do believe the gardner because of dk's reaction to the witness.

right? he can't remember who picked him up???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Spock"
Remember we were told the Dutch team was coming to Aruba with "full authority" to requestion the suspects? Well, they didn't, what happened?


Spock ... I do not recall anything pertaining to the Dutch investigators bringing Joran, Deepak and Satish in for requestioning.

Janet

 
SEPTEMBER 2005

Within days following the release of Joran, Deepak and Satish with conditions ... those conditions were lifted ... the suspect no longer had restrictions on travel and ... they were not required to be available for questioning.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB
September 17, 2005

"An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions. Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.


DECEMBER 2005

Steve Cohen stated that Joran, Deepak and Satish were to be brought in for questioning by Gerold Dompig over the Christmas break in regards to timeline discrepancies ... it never happened.

Antonio Carlo
Live and Direct - Jane Velez-Mitchell
MSNBC - December 30, 2005


ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT`S ATTORNEY: OK, the information that I can provide at this time is that my client, under the Aruban law, cannot be obligated to come before the (INAUDIBLE) prosecutor to answer questions because he has now -- he has been released without any conditions. So under Aruban -- under Aruban law, he cannot be obligated to be brought forth to answer questions.


I agree with the case law Janet, but I remember Jossy saying unequivocally:  "Yes sir, the Dutch will be coming with full authority to requestion the suspects, otherwisw, why would they come?"


Spock ... you are correct about Jossy implying that the Dutch investigators would be bringing Joran, Deepak and Satish in for questioning.  However ... I believe Jossy must have forgot that the conditions of the released which stated that Joran, Deepak and Satish must remain available for question was lifted.

Janet


Dana Pretzer Show
May 9, 2007


Dana: That's just an absolutely tragedy. Art, have you heard anything about any other questioning or any other interview ... are they keeping a pretty tight lid on that?

Wood: They're very secretive but I do speak at least once a week with Jossy, Jossy Mansur the Editor of the Diario and he's convinced that they're sincere in this investigative approach and if that's so there may be other interviews and there may be other searches, including th sand dunes and so forth.

Transcript Credit: Heli-RU


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Guess who this is?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mz_05_10017916346.gif)


charlierat with bozo the clown hair?  do i win a prize?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 18, 2007, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey Bunny ears   :wink: .... how is the arm/hand doing ?

Kat_Gram
I'm  :oops:  to ask..  Vicki ???


 no good here oldfart.. but i had to sign on and laugh at robs new avi.   :lol:  still in alot of pain and sucks to not move my arm and hand. i am getting very cranky.  :evil:


Angie, have you gone to another doctor since you left ER?  

a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
Angie and San win!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

<<Snip>>
 no good here oldfart.. but i had to sign on and laugh at robs new avi.   :lol:  still in alot of pain and sucks to not move my arm and hand. i am getting very cranky.  :evil:


Angie
You keep on the Doctors arse to find out what is wrong and get 2 -3 more to look at it.  Please
If if was one of your kid's arm...
 What doors would you be pounding on and who would you be hollering at?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:34:55 PM
mehill10



Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Gardendale,AL
   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
This was posted here:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/croes_update_1.html#comments

It's a current comment page going at Riehl

"The Vigilante news paper from Curacao Reports that the Croes guy might have been involved in breaking and entering on of the fishersman's huts, where appearently a fisherman reported that ropes, ankers, and tape have been stolen"

Does anyone know anything about this?? I ask because it leads one to suspect the worst.......I hope not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:35:28 PM
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.


If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:36:20 PM
No fair!! It's not fat enough for the rat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 10:36:21 PM
RE: reinterviews

I noticed that Steve Croes & Paulus were reinterviewed several times folowing their arrest.  Same with Guido.  I guess Rick Smid really did them (Joran, Deepak & Satich) a huge favor when he revised their judgement.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.


If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:


I agree completely...I had a little rant about Vick last night before I left...I would love to apply some justice to the evil bastard.   JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey Bunny ears   :wink: .... how is the arm/hand doing ?

Kat_Gram
I'm  :oops:  to ask..  Vicki ???


 no good here oldfart.. but i had to sign on and laugh at robs new avi.   :lol:  still in alot of pain and sucks to not move my arm and hand. i am getting very cranky.  :evil:


Angie, have you gone to another doctor since you left ER?  

a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



 :oops:  lol

yed i have az.. no work rest of the week.. not allowed to move my arm..still in a splint.. dr says tendonitis 4 now.. go back in 2 wees.. gotta wear this damn splint 4 two more weeks, if no better gotta go see a nerve dr for nerve condustion tests then 2 see if its CTS  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 18, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
Mr Sandman bring me a dream.......


G'nite folks.  I'm a wimp lately.  Arm is sore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.


If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:


WOW Mrs.Red!! Pretty harsh punishment but considering how they treated there victims I agree with you :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Mr Sandman bring me a dream.......


G'nite folks.  I'm a wimp lately.  Arm is sore.


Nite BT and SUn... Sun, you need to keep up feeling better...

ANG.. I do hope your arm is good as new soon... I have been saying prayers for you too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OS... true that.  Also wouldn't there be people walking on the beach... didn't the Arubans state over and over that it was normal for people to be walking on the beach?


Yes and yes.

The beach story makes no sense to me with all the dk, sk, I walked.
Just more lies.

If Natalee was on the beach imo, it was after the fact, put her there and someone with a boat arrives. Not sure about that angle in my thoughts yet. And because NO one on that island can tell the truth. Dang it.

I mean we hear that dk's car is soooooo loud.

I do believe the gardner because of dk's reaction to the witness.

right? he can't remember who picked him up???


Have you ever seen the movie Braveheart? I just saw it on TV a few weeks ago, and at the end they do some stuff to Mel Gibson (I think that is the actor) bet that would work on the "boys and daddy."

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.


If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:

I agree mrs. red.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Mr Sandman bring me a dream.......


G'nite folks.  I'm a wimp lately.  Arm is sore.


Nite BT and SUn... Sun, you need to keep up feeling better...

ANG.. I do hope your arm is good as new soon... I have been saying prayers for you too!


Sun hope you feel better!
TY Mrs Red.. one finger typing stinks. getting a little better doing it tho. lol
did i embarass rob?  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.


If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:


WOW Mrs.Red!! Pretty harsh punishment but considering how they treated there victims I agree with you :wink:


I am pretty passionate about those that cannot protect themselves... and how predators take advantage of them.  I think it's time we stop coddiling the damn criminals - and do something that makes them think twice about the crimes they commit...  I just think the system is beyond broken because these days defense attorneys are allowed to completely smear the victim.  Also those that know how to work the systerm.... they are never punished...

so you pay JTacopino $750 an hour for his soul to defend you and well... there you have it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic... RE: that POS Micheal Vick.... already it begins.. claiming he didn't know what was going on and he wasn't a part of it... too damn bad someone saw you Assbite!!!

I want him put into a pen with dogs that have been trained to hate assbite sub-humans and let them loose.  

and while I am on this rant, I think John Couey should be raped and then buried alive.

If you had to face the exact crap you pull maybe you would think twice...

make the above applilcable to jvds, and k2 and freddy anyone else involved, IMO


rant finished. :wink:



I'm with you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Mr Sandman bring me a dream.......


G'nite folks.  I'm a wimp lately.  Arm is sore.


Nite BT and SUn... Sun, you need to keep up feeling better...

ANG.. I do hope your arm is good as new soon... I have been saying prayers for you too!


Sun hope you feel better!
TY Mrs Red.. one finger typing stinks. getting a little better doing it tho. lol
did i embarass rob?  :oops:


Can rob be embarassed??? :lol:  That was skerry.....  :shock:   and don't try to type too much... you need to get better!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 18, 2007, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Mr Sandman bring me a dream.......


G'nite folks.  I'm a wimp lately.  Arm is sore.


Nite BT and SUn... Sun, you need to keep up feeling better...

ANG.. I do hope your arm is good as new soon... I have been saying prayers for you too!


Sun hope you feel better!
TY Mrs Red.. one finger typing stinks. getting a little better doing it tho. lol
did i embarass rob?  :oops:

But you spelling in getting better ... that a +  
Running & ducking (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/hide.gif)

G'nite all

SeeeYaaByeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:48:02 PM
San, Lala's and OS... thanks... but I am just sick of criminals getting off... did y'all see what SUE posted earlier about the murderer of Zinnia Linnik?

Then on the fp about a prev getting off because he is too short to serve jail time???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:



 roflmao   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey Bunny ears   :wink: .... how is the arm/hand doing ?

Kat_Gram
I'm  :oops:  to ask..  Vicki ???


 no good here oldfart.. but i had to sign on and laugh at robs new avi.   :lol:  still in alot of pain and sucks to not move my arm and hand. i am getting very cranky.  :evil:


Angie, have you gone to another doctor since you left ER?  

a banana hammock?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



 :oops:  lol

yed i have az.. no work rest of the week.. not allowed to move my arm..still in a splint.. dr says tendonitis 4 now.. go back in 2 wees.. gotta wear this damn splint 4 two more weeks, if no better gotta go see a nerve dr for nerve condustion tests then 2 see if its CTS  :evil:


Hi Angie
Good to see you! :lol:
Sorry your arm is still not better.
When you go and have your tests ask the Neurologist about the possiblity of Ulnar Nerve problem. It is the most commonly misdiagnosed syndrome and yet is quite common! Often mistaken for CTS.
When that nerve acts up, the hand goes into what they call, "The Claw".
May not be it, but if it is,  you want to get it taken care of quickly and accurately.
My doctor let mine go and go, kept saying it was CPS and then it was too late and I needed surgery. Needless to say, I changed doctors after that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 10:49:13 PM
Glenda and Lazlo



Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
mehill10



Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Gardendale,AL
   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
This was posted here:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/croes_update_1.html#comments

It's a current comment page going at Riehl

"The Vigilante news paper from Curacao Reports that the Croes guy might have been involved in breaking and entering on of the fishersman's huts, where appearently a fisherman reported that ropes, ankers, and tape have been stolen"

Does anyone know anything about this?? I ask because it leads one to suspect the worst.......I hope not.



Then check Sept 17 2005 transcript

Here's what Harold Copus (P.I. hired by Beth Twitty) said about the fish cage on Sept 17:

Geraldo: What is the significance of the huts?

Harold: This is astounding, because what happened the night after Natalee disappeared three out of four huts had been broken into.
A knife was missing from one, a filet type knife with a steel shank
When I interviewed the fisherman, he said he had forgotten to tell the police. He called them, they haven't responded according to him.
There was a cage that they use to trap fish. Big enough to put a body in, he said that was missing

Geraldo: What does that tell you Harold?

Harold: It tells me that they might have taken Natalee out into the water. You only have to go out about 3/4 of a mile and it drops down to about 40 ft. Strong currents, strong wind


There were also reports that the fishermen did make a police report about the knife.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 18, 2007, 10:49:20 PM
Vicki is a Monkey and  member of BFN I believe. She is one of the Travel show protesters.
My Kat wants to use the computer, BBL. She really does ! !
She likes to order IAMS pizza and go to bad bad kitty sites and look at pictuers.  :oops:    :lol:

ps GD's nickname is Kitty. in a foreign language.   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:49:31 PM
OS I have to rewatch that movie... we have it . I can't remember what they did to him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 10:51:23 PM
I meant "CTS"  (not cps) grrrr
I need an edit button!

OH, BTW, for those who asked me to get back to them regarding my son in Brazil; He is safe and sound. I heard from him today!  Thank Goodness!!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
San, Lala's and OS... thanks... but I am just sick of criminals getting off... did y'all see what SUE posted earlier about the murderer of Zinnia Linnik?

Then on the fp about a prev getting off because he is too short to serve jail time???


I still say we need to bring back public hanging in the town square. Harumph.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OS I have to rewatch that movie... we have it . I can't remember what they did to him...


I had never seen it before, but I tell ya, they do a number on Mel that made me go Ouch...

My guess, they would be singing in 1 min..

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
San, Lala's and OS... thanks... but I am just sick of criminals getting off... did y'all see what SUE posted earlier about the murderer of Zinnia Linnik?

Then on the fp about a prev getting off because he is too short to serve jail time???


I still say we need to bring back public hanging in the town square. Harumph.


I want to punish criminals by using them for drug testing, or make them suffer what the victims do...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
San, Lala's and OS... thanks... but I am just sick of criminals getting off... did y'all see what SUE posted earlier about the murderer of Zinnia Linnik?

Then on the fp about a prev getting off because he is too short to serve jail time???


I am with you on this all the way.  I have no remorse for these sick perverted people.  The world is turning into a cesspool of depravity and everyone just looks the other way.  That is why the world is in the shape it's in.  There evil all around and some days I feel as if I am drowning in it and then I come here and there is some sense of sanity.  The examples abound, take the darkside for instance.  They fit right in with some of these people.  To them it's all okay as long it doesn't happen to them and the victim always asks for it.  I could give some more examples but I fear I would turn some stomachs here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I meant "CTS"  (not cps) grrrr
I need an edit button!

OH, BTW, for those who asked me to get back to them regarding my son in Brazil; He is safe and sound. I heard from him today!  Thank Goodness!!! :lol:


 lol mrs red, oldfart and art.. my right arm is propped on a pillow..typing with 1 finger ..with left hand. can only stand to lat in bed or sit in a chair and watch tv for so long. getting antsy.
 been reading some old posts too.. interesting and ty again to dugga and red. i find myself wantiong to hit quote at times and wanting to respond.. lol i gag myself reading some of mine back then feeking so bad for anita.. but didnt know the  what we do now. yikes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I meant "CTS"  (not cps) grrrr
I need an edit button!

OH, BTW, for those who asked me to get back to them regarding my son in Brazil; He is safe and sound. I heard from him today!  Thank Goodness!!! :lol:


That is really great news.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 10:56:36 PM
look at this Lisa Stebic case ... the husband just withdrew his divorce petition today... that would be because she is no longer alive... IMO... and he knows it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
San, Lala's and OS... thanks... but I am just sick of criminals getting off... did y'all see what SUE posted earlier about the murderer of Zinnia Linnik?

Then on the fp about a prev getting off because he is too short to serve jail time???


I still say we need to bring back public hanging in the town square. Harumph.


I want to punish criminals by using them for drug testing, or make them suffer what the victims do...


Yup. That would work. I agree and perhaps it would discourage some of these perverts that are getting away witht his stuff. And I think the judges that let these creeps out should be taken off the bench.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 10:58:07 PM
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 10:59:12 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
look at this Lisa Stebic case ... the husband just withdrew his divorce petition today... that would be because she is no longer alive... IMO... and he knows it.


Yes, isn't that bizarre?
Maybe he is hoping if they can't prove he killed her then he will get the insurance money if he isn't divorced.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:00:46 PM
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
look at this Lisa Stebic case ... the husband just withdrew his divorce petition today... that would be because she is no longer alive... IMO... and he knows it.


Yes, isn't that bizarre?
Maybe he is hoping if they can't prove he killed her then he will get the insurance money if he isn't divorced.


BINGO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:02:51 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


I went and looked it's a lighting of candles for Natalee.... I think Vicki is fine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


THanks, I am very relieved!

You know, I think a normal thinking person would have felt sorry for Anita in the very beginning. It was only after we all realized the extent of the coverup and the contempt this woman had for the victims that opinions changed. She did this to herself, as did that thing she is married to, imo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


isnt that the truth mrs red.. and some of those folks were pretty dang nasty back then. guess at the time.. i was skeered to even post much. lol
still have tons more threads to read yet. obvious in ones i have so far who the trolls were.. geesh!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 18, 2007, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA

I had been at the gratefullness.org site and a candle Vicki lit for Natalee caught my eye. Vicki was one of the travel show monkeys.
I go to the gratefulness site sometimes as they have interesting
things there ( to me ). Sometimes to get a grip on my po'd-ness.
I light candles for my girls. Just a reminder sometimes of what is important. And it's not my petty little katty things some days. Meow.   :cat:

 :cat:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=3922929


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


I went and looked it's a lighting of candles for Natalee.... I think Vicki is fine.


Oh thanks.  I was getting a little worried.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2007, 11:10:40 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Glenda and Lazlo

Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
mehill10

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
This was posted here:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/croes_update_1.html#comments

It's a current comment page going at Riehl

"The Vigilante news paper from Curacao Reports that the Croes guy might have been involved in breaking and entering on of the fishersman's huts, where appearently a fisherman reported that ropes, ankers, and tape have been stolen"

Does anyone know anything about this?? I ask because it leads one to suspect the worst.......I hope not.



Then check Sept 17 2005 transcript

Here's what Harold Copus (P.I. hired by Beth Twitty) said about the fish cage on Sept 17:

Geraldo: What is the significance of the huts?

Harold: This is astounding, because what happened the night after Natalee disappeared three out of four huts had been broken into.
A knife was missing from one, a filet type knife with a steel shank
When I interviewed the fisherman, he said he had forgotten to tell the police. He called them, they haven't responded according to him.
There was a cage that they use to trap fish. Big enough to put a body in, he said that was missing

Geraldo: What does that tell you Harold?

Harold: It tells me that they might have taken Natalee out into the water. You only have to go out about 3/4 of a mile and it drops down to about 40 ft. Strong currents, strong wind


There were also reports that the fishermen did make a police report about the knife.




Jossy Mansur
On the Record w/ Greta
October 21, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN: … Now the search Jossy, we hear there is another search today and that a missing cage may have some sort of relevance to the search. Do you know anything about a missing cage?

MANSUR: Yes mam, I do. The person that looks after the fishermen’s huts found in the morning that Natalee disappeared that there was a knife missing and a cage. From one of the locked places the fishermen keep their gear.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, how big is this cage?

MANSUR: It is a big cage, it is a fish trap made with chicken coop wire. You know the ones that have the round holes in them? That’s pretty big.

VAN SUSTEREN: Could you put a body in it? Could you put someone 5’4” or 5’6” in it?

MANSUR: Yes, you can.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was this reported…she disappeared on the 30th. When was this first reported missing?

MANSUR: It was reported to the police that same morning by the caretaker. The man who looks after the fishermen’s huts.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, it wasn’t because he had heard there was a missing person? It was just coincidentally I have a missing cage and reported it?

MANSUR: That is correct. He just told them there were a knife missing and a big fish trap missing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


I went and looked it's a lighting of candles for Natalee.... I think Vicki is fine.


What happened to Vicki????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:13:27 PM
Watching the BOR rerun in MVICK... they are describing all the stuff that happens at these dog fights... one dog was killed by slamming into the ground -  probably more than once.

So let's review... most sadistic, psycho killers started out with killing dogs... or harming animals.

Sounding familiar?  SO if you don't value any life you don't value life at all.... harming a person means nothing to those that do this.

it's why I say - that these  freaking monsters should have to feel and deal with what they dish out....

sorry to still be on my soapbox!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:14:46 PM
I think they are talking about KIA here. Can you take tours?  

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I don't know, mehill, I've only been in the old wing. And that one is horrible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


I went and looked it's a lighting of candles for Natalee.... I think Vicki is fine.


What happened to Vicki????


nothing, she just had candles for natalee...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 18, 2007, 11:16:02 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


I got a taste of how cruel people could be when I joined the SanDiegoTribune message board during the Westerfield case.

There were people on there joining using multiple names, talking to themselves like they were different people, spreading lies about Danielle's parents.

Several were writing to Westerfield, sending him pictures of children for his cell, 1 even put up a bulletin board proclaiming his innocence.

It made me sick, I stayed away from boards after that until the Jessica Lunsford case. I couldn't stand it. Then it happened while they were looking for Jessie.

And now Natalee. I have come to the conclusion there are very ugly, sick people out there who are hell bent on hurting others. They don't want the truth, wouldn't know it if it hit them upside the head.

But shame on them, they are on the wrong side. But at least they can't post here.

Well, time to go to bed, take care and be well.

God Bless,

OS out


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


isnt that the truth mrs red.. and some of those folks were pretty dang nasty back then. guess at the time.. i was skeered to even post much. lol
still have tons more threads to read yet. obvious in ones i have so far who the trolls were.. geesh!


Art... we thought poor thing was coming home to a mess that she didn't know about... now I think we see the real her.

Ang.. not to mention a few of the mods... between how mean a few of them were and the trolls .. heck I was afraid to talk.. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think they are talking about KIA here. Can you take tours?  

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I don't know, mehill, I've only been in the old wing. And that one is horrible.


Arubagirl went on a tour of the facility when she was still in school, if I remember correctly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 18, 2007, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think they are talking about KIA here. Can you take tours?  

arubagirl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I don't know, mehill, I've only been in the old wing. And that one is horrible.



MSNBC got a tour.   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:21:37 PM
Nite OS...

OH I wish that Rita Cosby would have aired the stuff they got inside the cells... remember the guard that got fired for talking about how much of a jerk that jvds was to his mom and everyone else... and I think he smacked him around... or claimed to??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Please tell me about Vicki.  I think I missed something.  TIA


I went and looked it's a lighting of candles for Natalee.... I think Vicki is fine.


What happened to Vicki????


nothing, she just had candles for natalee...


Ahh Ok...Thx..Vicki is a sweatheart :D

As far as tthe dogs go they train them by using smaller helpless dogs and they rip them to shreds..I read that the MV group killed 8 of them ruthlessly 2 years ago when they were not ready to fight..Awful ruthless killings and these guys I hope do long prison sentences..Michael Vick AKA Ron Mexico can kiss the 2007 season goodbye..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:22:45 PM
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:22:47 PM
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:24:17 PM
I hope the NFL gets a clue and he never has another season. Ever.  I wish football fans would stick it to the NFL and make them clean up their act...

sports are becoming nothing more than thug life .... and we wonder why kids behave as they do?  where are the role models?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:25:30 PM
Sorry this is such a long post but you need some of the other stuff to understand the last part.

someone



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:22 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
kandeyingeorgia wrote:
Terry wrote:
absolut wrote:
littletxlady wrote:
Natalee's mom just said she knows the these guys "kidnapped" her daughter.


more on this interview later........... Rolling Eyes


you have to say that or succumb to the alternative. I think that is wishful thinking.
She also said, "and hopefully not raped and murdered".


I too think that it is wishful thinking. I do not believe that NH is alive. That is just my humble opinion. I would love to be proven wrong. I don't believe any of this was planned, however. I think illicit drugs were given to her without her knowledge and she got sick and aspirated. I think JVS freaked at that point and involved the Kalpoe brothers and his father. What still bothers me is IF the Kalpoes only helped him dispose of the body, why would they have not broken by now and just said that they were accessories and that Joran was the culprit? Friendship only goes so far. I would just think that by now ONE of those boys would have pointed the finger at another and said "he did it and here's how". All I have heard is differing stories. Just thinking out loud here and trying to make sense of all this. In any event, I truly hope Natalee's family finds her so they can take her home and have at least some form of closure.


The two surinamese brothers are Hindu...their religion does not allow them to touch a dead body. If she indeed died of accidental causes, the two Kalpoe brothers would not have been involved.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 18, 2007, 11:26:56 PM
What ever happened to that Diario article about
Aruba and the selling of children?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(


I haven't notice spelling mistakes in so long ... I can read the language of SM....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:27:40 PM
I think you guys should know that all this talk about the dogs is making me sick to my stomach...I am very, very disturbed by all this...you should hear what the local sports radio shows say...I can't even attempt to listen.  I am one of those people that's heart is so sensitive to animal cruelty that I just can't stand to read about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I Know!!! They all ended up in the "Nut Site"! 8)
Water seeks it own level, I guess!!!

I am sure they were looking for free lodging on Aruba!!!!
Heck, they'd pitch tent in Anitas back yard if she'd let them! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think you guys should know that all this talk about the dogs is making me sick to my stomach...I am very, very disturbed by all this...you should hear what the local sports radio shows say...I can't even attempt to listen.  I am one of those people that's heart is so sensitive to animal cruelty that I just can't stand to read about it.


it's why I am not getting graphic... but I do want to figure out how we make (we meaning decent ppl, not just SM) make it known that this has to stop ... the NFL must start booting these cretions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:30:18 PM
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 11:30:33 PM
Yes Mrs Red,Crucifiction was the worst way to execute people,it of ten 1 week to die.Not a bad idea.I have felt that way about these pervs for a long while.Yes,Hindu's don't handle dead humans,that is true.Hmm,I have always felt the K2's were rewarded with a rape and told to go away.I think the real pervs are the guilty people,just a gut feeling.Good Night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I Know!!! They all ended up in the "Nut Site"! 8)
Water seeks it own level, I guess!!!

I am sure they were looking for free lodging on Aruba!!!!
Heck, they'd pitch tent in Anitas back yard if she'd let them! :roll:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I hope the NFL gets a clue and he never has another season. Ever.  I wish football fans would stick it to the NFL and make them clean up their act...

sports are becoming nothing more than thug life .... and we wonder why kids behave as they do?  where are the role models?


Nfl has a new commissioner that will be much tougher..BTW: Michael Vick is a scumbag..It's already known that he was using the name Ron Mexico and was transmitting the herpes virus to a few women..You may not have heard because the NFL and Espn was quiet on that story. His brother is much worse tha him and its a shame as they have all the talent..

Your right..Where are the role models??Many of this Kids come come from single family homes in lower class neighborhoods..When they get to the Nfl they are making millions but they have all the wrong influences..Like Michael Vick..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
What ever happened to that Diario article about
Aruba and the selling of children?

I don't know?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:31:36 PM
nite tiger...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:31:41 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think you guys should know that all this talk about the dogs is making me sick to my stomach...I am very, very disturbed by all this...you should hear what the local sports radio shows say...I can't even attempt to listen.  I am one of those people that's heart is so sensitive to animal cruelty that I just can't stand to read about it.


it's why I am not getting graphic... but I do want to figure out how we make (we meaning decent ppl, not just SM) make it known that this has to stop ... the NFL must start booting these cretions.


I think there should be a long long jail sentence for this type of behavior, NFL player or not, he is a common criminal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 11:32:04 PM
Vick needs to go to jail,for a long time


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:32:40 PM
Tiger - I agree


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think they are talking about KIA here. Can you take tours?  

arubagirl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I don't know, mehill, I've only been in the old wing. And that one is horrible.



 :lol:  :lol:

MSNBC got a tour.   :lol:  :lol:


That's when Anita said Joran was suppose to be safe in KIA.  Why would he need to be safe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 18, 2007, 11:33:12 PM
Nite Mrs Red and Lala.I love animals.Some humans I find problems with


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Vick needs to go to jail,for a long time


I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:35:02 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Altruist on July 18, 2007, 11:38:47 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"


I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


I thought he had posted that he had indeed lost his property.  :(  :(  :(


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1286&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jerry+farm&start=20

July 13, 2007

Please excuse my ignorance but that doesn't sound like eminent domain to me.  It sounds like a tax sale & the bit I know of this in my neck of the woods, according to state law the original owner has a 12 month period to come up with the delinquent taxes plus interest of 12% & reclaim title.  If that were open to me I would find some nice young couple with some cash & sell it to them for $50,000.  Would rather have someone decent benefit from my troubles than some predator.

Sorry for being O/T but I couldn't help myself.

Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Thought of you again yesterday and said another quick prayer for you, Jerry.  I hope you'll remember to update us if there's news.


   Well all Thank you EVERYONE  that prayed and or even thought about me during during the
largest crisis in my life that ai have ever faced .
   But now it is over ,  the court ruled that the predator buyer could and did stay within all the guide lines for our county and state laws and that since he has the cash and I did not and couldn't raise most of it that the sale did go thru .
    I am in sort of shock and very numb but I never thought that for a lousy $ 22,000 dollars that they could and did sell my family farm away from me after my being here 56 years  and the family owning it for 150 years .
   I am not sure what I am going to do now I  will have 30 days after Monday  to figure that out,  
  How to move a farms worth of equipment and the like in 30 days  will be a real miracle.
  About all I can say now is that for some reason that I can't understand, God  didn't want me here any longer is all I can figure .
    I still have faith ,and still believe, but this was a terrible blow and am not sure why but it was left up to him ( I had placed it in Gods hands early this week when I could not do any more on my own . ) and he said no and I just have to accept that as his decision and I will try to move on and start again i guess .
Thanks again everyone  for all your support  you all mean a lot to me with you all I am really not alone .   your friend  Jerry from Ohio  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


It got deleted at BFN?  I can't figure that place out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Vick needs to go to jail,for a long time


I bet he doesn't! He will get a slap on the wrist from all this.  So what is a few hundred dead dogs buried in your back yard?  The NFL doesn't give a rat's butt about that. It's all about the latest star player and the money, money, money he can bring in for them.  That's all they care about, it's just like the wrestling stories, it was all about the money.  Money truly is the root of all evil...with it you can do all sorts of horrible things and then just buy your way out of it.  I know I am still ranting, but this has me disturbed.  I didn't sleep well last night and I won't again tonight because of all this.  I have animals that I love dearly and  I simply can't stand all this. The ones I have buried in my back yard are those that were part of my family, not thrown away because...well...I think I need to stop while I am ahead here.  Sorry I am being so melodramatic about it, but it's one of those hot buttons for me and it's been pushed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


OH damn it I hate that thing... it happens to me constantly!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:


Klaas   I know! You are great. I am talking about, well..you know :lol: ....  And SAN WElll, she is wonderful too!
Monkeys is a super site now and has been for a long time now..ever since the rubbish got thrown out! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2007, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


It got deleted at BFN?  I can't figure that place out.


No..I was actually writing it after the show on SM and I didnt save it and it got deleted..Back then if the page timed out and you hit enter it wouldnt post...Nothing extrodinary but I guess people are interested what ATA members said to us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:

You can speak for me I give you permission :lol: .

I am not offended by much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:44:45 PM
Lala's I think we can't stop talking about it because it offends our very souls... because we have them... and you are probably right the NFL only cares about money... and the tv revenue etc... and sad to say there aren't enough fans that will put their foot down and demand change... it will just be that he deserves to do as he wishes because he is a "star"...

I liked him before I knew what an evil freaking bastard he is...



Art... I think (in hindsight) that some of mods signed in as trolls... they were more than one person...kind of like now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:

You can speak for me I give you permission :lol: .

I am not offended by much.


Yep! I am not offended by much either, but then, I'm not a Mod either! :lol:
San, you need an avatar of "Pistol Packing Mama"! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Lala's I think we can't stop talking about it because it offends our very souls... because we have them... and you are probably right the NFL only cares about money... and the tv revenue etc... and sad to say there aren't enough fans that will put their foot down and demand change... it will just be that he deserves to do as he wishes because he is a "star"...

I liked him before I knew what an evil freaking bastard he is...



Art... I think (in hindsight) that some of mods signed in as trolls... they were more than one person...kind of like now.


Oh yes, I know that now. At the time I didn't though! Ah, back when I was young and inexperience in the cyber world...**sigh**


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:

You can speak for me I give you permission :lol: .

I am not offended by much.


Yep! I am not offended by much either, but then, I'm not a Mod either! :lol:
San, you need an avatar of "Pistol Packing Mama"! :lol:

I had one last week did you see it.  Muffybee calls me boom boom :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:47:23 PM
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:48:01 PM
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:48:12 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


It got deleted at BFN?  I can't figure that place out.


No..I was actually writing it after the show on SM and I didnt save it and it got deleted..Back then if the page timed out and you hit enter it wouldnt post...Nothing extrodinary but I guess people are interested what ATA members said to us.

Oh, that darn spelling question where 1+1 = who knows, lol  :lol:  Sorry that happened to you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:48:53 PM
Klaas, you weren't too afraid of the other posters, you even said the magic word and got away with it. :lol:

klaasend
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: "shakey" SoCal
   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:43 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
arubagirl wrote:
oh dear Christ, I hope that it's true.

Ok..Arubagirl...do you remember that RUMOR about Lorenzo and his basement? Then someome also said there was a RUMOR about NH clothes being found at Lorenzo's house? Remember? Could it be????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mrs Red  I know how it felt being afraid to post back then! I was too! It was awhile before I actually did..some of those mods were nutjobs! God forbid you said ANYTHING about the Arubans.
Jeesh.
I was glad to see them all go.


and notice where they all ended up :wink:  

wonder if they got timeshares or something...


I would sit and read for hours, like you, but never dared to post anything.  I felt too dumb to keep up much less say anything intelligent.  Not that I say anything intelligent now, but you understand.


Yes, I do understand.
It was because the Mods back then made you arfraid to say anything..you never knew when they'd take offense.
Oh well, that was then, and this is now! :lol:


I can't speak for San but I can tell you there isn't much that offends me, LOLOL  :lol:

You can speak for me I give you permission :lol: .

I am not offended by much.


Yep! I am not offended by much either, but then, I'm not a Mod either! :lol:
San, you need an avatar of "Pistol Packing Mama"! :lol:

I had one last week did you see it.  Muffybee calls me boom boom :lol:


I must have not seen it or forgotten! (some days I am like that movie a 100 first dates, lol!)
Boom Boom! I LOVE it! Roflmao!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:



The only mod I haven't seen anywhere and I am probably wrong about this one is Kismet... silly me liked most of them... there were 3 I hated... and it was obvious to me that they felt the same..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


Oh GOD, YES!!!!!  ANd I recall having a helluvatime trying to figure out how to NOT have a quote stack, lol!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:52:05 PM
Here you go Art.  This is boom boom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art that is good news about your son!  

Ang... I tried doing the same thing... we were fooled for quite a while back in the day.... I know I for one, didn't realize such evil, uncaring, unfeeling people were really out there.. I thought that was really only in the movies...

I was naive and thought everyone wanted to help and cared. Learned my lesson though.. and probably still learn a little every day....


isnt that the truth mrs red.. and some of those folks were pretty dang nasty back then. guess at the time.. i was skeered to even post much. lol
still have tons more threads to read yet. obvious in ones i have so far who the trolls were.. geesh!


Art... we thought poor thing was coming home to a mess that she didn't know about... now I think we see the real her.

Ang.. not to mention a few of the mods... between how mean a few of them were and the trolls .. heck I was afraid to talk.. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  I hear yah!  I am behind.. lol

LALAS if u r still here i need for you to emil me.. gotta ask yah a ?   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas, you weren't too afraid of the other posters, you even said the magic word and got away with it. :lol:

klaasend
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: "shakey" SoCal
   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:43 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
arubagirl wrote:
oh dear Christ, I hope that it's true.

Ok..Arubagirl...do you remember that RUMOR about Lorenzo and his basement? Then someome also said there was a RUMOR about NH clothes being found at Lorenzo's house? Remember? Could it be????

I've never been affraid to speak up, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Maine also has tax breaks for "homesteaders"  and veterans.

Of course, we are taxed to the gills for everything else.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sam on July 18, 2007, 11:53:17 PM
Klaas ,

I think ******* is saying it was deleted from the front page post here at SM because of the 1+1 question. If you forget to answer that your post does not go through and has to be retyped.

I also seem to remeber that post from Diario and the selling of children was posted in the last few days. I at least remeber reading it in the lawt few days. Could be in Important case documents or in the archive. So many things to read right now.

By the way did you happen to capture the picture of young Paulus and Anita and Joran that Sandra K posted on RU recently? If so compare the pic of Paulus to another picture you have of 2 guys standing together both wearing black shirts. I think that could be Paulus and not Joran. JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:53:44 PM
arubagirl
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:43 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
saninmytoes, RUMOR, I repeat, RUMOR has it that Lorenzo van Rijn may have NH in his house due to his being v/d Sloots bastard son.

Yes, I know. Crazy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:54:05 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:



The only mod I haven't seen anywhere and I am probably wrong about this one is Kismet... silly me liked most of them... there were 3 I hated... and it was obvious to me that they felt the same..

Kismet is probably around, just using a different nickname.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


Oh GOD, YES!!!!!  ANd I recall having a helluvatime trying to figure out how to NOT have a quote stack, lol!

That was one of the reasons I was afraid to post :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Maine also has tax breaks for "homesteaders"  and veterans.

Of course, we are taxed to the gills for everything else.  :evil:


right Maine's motto is .. got some dreams, we will tax those too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: "San"
Here you go Art.  This is boom boom.


YEah! Okay, now I remember!!!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Klaas ,

I think ******* is saying it was deleted from the front page post here at SM because of the 1+1 question. If you forget to answer that your post does not go through and has to be retyped.

I also seem to remeber that post from Diario and the selling of children was posted in the last few days. I at least remeber reading it in the lawt few days. Could be in Important case documents or in the archive. So many things to read right now.

By the way did you happen to capture the picture of young Paulus and Anita and Joran that Sandra K posted on RU recently? If so compare the pic of Paulus to another picture you have of 2 guys standing together both wearing black shirts. I think that could be Paulus and not Joran. JMHO


I actually already had it.  It's from Joran's book..there are alot of old photos in it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Maine also has tax breaks for "homesteaders"  and veterans.

Of course, we are taxed to the gills for everything else.  :evil:


right Maine's motto is .. got some dreams, we will tax those too!


Yes. I hate Baldacci. (bald nazi) as he is called in some circles! :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:56:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:



The only mod I haven't seen anywhere and I am probably wrong about this one is Kismet... silly me liked most of them... there were 3 I hated... and it was obvious to me that they felt the same..

Kismet is probably around, just using a different nickname.


probably... there were a couple of mods that I really truly adored... silly me :roll:

but now... NOW, we have the mods to end all mods... heck no one holds a candle... :lol:
why am I talking about them???? :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 18, 2007, 11:56:48 PM
Source of the Lorenzo rumor is what she means here...

arubagirl
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I know the source(s), I don't think they would make up something as crazy, but not putting my hand in fire. As to why....don't know.
_________________


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 18, 2007, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


 rofl..  

you sure be stacked now piezon  :wink:  :wink:   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 18, 2007, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


Oh GOD, YES!!!!!  ANd I recall having a helluvatime trying to figure out how to NOT have a quote stack, lol!

That was one of the reasons I was afraid to post :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 18, 2007, 11:58:15 PM
One day when I was at work reading the board everyone was waiting for the mod to lock the cage and she wasn't here.  One of the posters said let's do major quote stacks.  I was cracking up at work.  The quote stacks were so big and they just kept quoting each other.  Finally the mod came back and threatened to give everyone a time out. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Maine also has tax breaks for "homesteaders"  and veterans.

Of course, we are taxed to the gills for everything else.  :evil:


right Maine's motto is .. got some dreams, we will tax those too!


Yes. I hate Baldacci. (bald nazi) as he is called in some circles! :twisted:


unfortunately, southern maine loves their taxes... the more the bettah


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 18, 2007, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


 rofl..  

you sure be stacked now piezon  :wink:  :wink:   :lol:  :lol:


that's funny :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 18, 2007, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: "San"
One day when I was at work reading the board everyone was waiting for the mod to lock the cage and she wasn't here.  One of the posters said let's do major quote stacks.  I was cracking up at work.  The quote stacks were so big and they just kept quoting each other.  Finally the mod came back and threatened to give everyone a time out. :lol:


OMG I remember that day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:00:13 AM
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the rumor about his being a son is from a former neighbour of his mom. The rumor about NH being held there is from someone who has a lot of friends among the police.

She is answering a question from Nikki.  Remember her venture into birthing?  Was it puppies or kittens...I forget?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:00:19 AM
Quote from: "San"
One day when I was at work reading the board everyone was waiting for the mod to lock the cage and she wasn't here.  One of the posters said let's do major quote stacks.  I was cracking up at work.  The quote stacks were so big and they just kept quoting each other.  Finally the mod came back and threatened to give everyone a time out. :lol:


Oh yes, the famous "times out". Sorta like kindergarten.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Source of the Lorenzo rumor is what she means here...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I know the source(s), I don't think they would make up something as crazy, but not putting my hand in fire. As to why....don't know.
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LALA..You are finding some great stuff on old posts with lorenzo..Can you please put them in the Race Junkies thread if you find something good..I am still working on translations from pietjezz and I would like to put this all together soon as I believe we have some truths here..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 12:01:46 AM
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In a way, I do feel bad for Joran's mom. She has probably been hit hard with the reality of what her husband is really like and the reality that Joran may not be the golden boy she thought he was. Reality is easy to deal with one thing at a time, but she's been hit hard by all this too.

Well, maybe she meet a nice guy that doesn't lie and sweat so much and run like a girl....(sorry, couldn't resist)
  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:01:56 AM
Quote from: "San"
One day when I was at work reading the board everyone was waiting for the mod to lock the cage and she wasn't here.  One of the posters said let's do major quote stacks.  I was cracking up at work.  The quote stacks were so big and they just kept quoting each other.  Finally the mod came back and threatened to give everyone a time out. :lol:


lmao i recall those days and having 10 minute time outs like we were babies for crying out loud!  :roll:

LALAS
 email me  :roll:   need to ask you something chicky!   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:02:20 AM
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Arubagirl...

I believe it was already asked, so excuse me for forgetting lol, it would be hard to get someone off the island in a boat late at night? Is that what was said? I ask because I have read many places that Lorenzo van Rijn, had a speed boat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 12:03:04 AM
Translation from Pietjezz post at racejunkies in 2003

8-20-2003

But it's true that i heard that Lorenzo the son of the owner Paul( the one who hanged himself last year) was talking about wanting to come with a VW animal animal for a long time now, they have money, he and his dad were giving bills of 100 florin away like crazy when they invited us to trip with them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"


unfortunately, southern maine loves their taxes... the more the bettah


UNfortunately, those taxes are being grossly misappropriated. I am beginning to wonder who's pocket they are going in.
Maine does not pay its medical bills for that wonderful free medical care they have and as a result some families with kiids and elderly will begin to be turned away. The doctors are leaving the state and some hospitals are going under.
My own doctor left last month to go back to the mid-west.
Isn't socialized medicine great?
Jeesh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:03:41 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


 rofl..  

you sure be stacked now piezon  :wink:  :wink:   :lol:  :lol:


that's funny :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 must be my pain pills..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
I like boom boom  :lol:  :lol:

****************************************************

Old rattiest man made his long pontificated retort to me tonight, forgive me but I just have to out him for the unadulterated liar he is.

My actual post which I went back to retrieve and obviously you did not said:

"Easy I agree this is happening now for a specific reason.......

the Fontein Cave is a much less traveled area and also has openings direct through the floor into the ocean or waters beneath it. Current maps don't even detail all of the various pathways in the Fontein Cave either, you have to go back to the turn of the century to find those
"

I believe it's called Reading 101, you failed rattiest man

As for your post last weekend regarding my leaving my children at a truck stop and losing custody, well there are standards even attorneys are held to on public domains, just as you lied again to say my leaving my kids and losing custody was "a matter of public record"

keep it up dude  :lol: dig that hole as deep as you can for yourself  :lol:

***************************************************

Hey Klaas - I do think your meez of the rattiest man was dead on  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:04:31 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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In a way, I do feel bad for Joran's mom. She has probably been hit hard with the reality of what her husband is really like and the reality that Joran may not be the golden boy she thought he was. Reality is easy to deal with one thing at a time, but she's been hit hard by all this too.

Well, maybe she meet a nice guy that doesn't lie and sweat so much and run like a girl....(sorry, couldn't resist)
  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:04:57 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"


unfortunately, southern maine loves their taxes... the more the bettah


UNfortunately, those taxes are being grossly misappropriated. I am beginning to wonder who's pocket they are going in.
Maine does not pay its medical bills for that wonderful free medical care they have and as a result some families with kiids and elderly will begin to be turned away. The doctors are leaving the state and some hospitals are going under.
My own doctor left last month to go back to the mid-west.
Isn't socialized medicine great?
Jeesh.


Right? It's why the state is losing the young population too... no jobs either!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:05:35 AM
Talking about searching Lorenzo's house and his boat...

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Writenow, they did search the house. I think it was on the same day that Croes got arrested. Obviously nothing came from it.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sam on July 19, 2007, 12:05:43 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sam"
Klaas ,

I think ******* is saying it was deleted from the front page post here at SM because of the 1+1 question. If you forget to answer that your post does not go through and has to be retyped.

I also seem to remeber that post from Diario and the selling of children was posted in the last few days. I at least remeber reading it in the lawt few days. Could be in Important case documents or in the archive. So many things to read right now.

By the way did you happen to capture the picture of young Paulus and Anita and Joran that Sandra K posted on RU recently? If so compare the pic of Paulus to another picture you have of 2 guys standing together both wearing black shirts. I think that could be Paulus and not Joran. JMHO


I actually already had it.  It's from Joran's book..there are alot of old photos in it.


Sandrak must have bought his book or wasn't it rumored that she stole some of the transcripts before hand?

Also I think I could be crazy but the 2 males in the pic I am speaking of. We have never seen another picture of the other guy, made me wonder if it could be Paul Van Rijn since he was supposed to be good friends with Paul VDS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:05:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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Joined: 20 Jun 2005

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In a way, I do feel bad for Joran's mom. She has probably been hit hard with the reality of what her husband is really like and the reality that Joran may not be the golden boy she thought he was. Reality is easy to deal with one thing at a time, but she's been hit hard by all this too.

Well, maybe she meet a nice guy that doesn't lie and sweat so much and run like a girl....(sorry, couldn't resist)
  :lol:


lmao !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: "San"
One day when I was at work reading the board everyone was waiting for the mod to lock the cage and she wasn't here.  One of the posters said let's do major quote stacks.  I was cracking up at work.  The quote stacks were so big and they just kept quoting each other.  Finally the mod came back and threatened to give everyone a time out. :lol:


that was a classic, I remember it too plus you never took out your guns at work  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Talking about searching Lorenzo's house and his boat...

arubagirl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Writenow, they did search the house. I think it was on the same day that Croes got arrested. Obviously nothing came from it.
_________________


I have a hard time trusting anything from back then...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I like boom boom  :lol:  :lol:

****************************************************

Old rattiest man made his long pontificated retort to me tonight, forgive me but I just have to out him for the unadulterated liar he is.

My actual post which I went back to retrieve and obviously you did not said:

"Easy I agree this is happening now for a specific reason.......

the Fontein Cave is a much less traveled area and also has openings direct through the floor into the ocean or waters beneath it. Current maps don't even detail all of the various pathways in the Fontein Cave either, you have to go back to the turn of the century to find those
"

I believe it's called Reading 101, you failed rattiest man

As for your post last weekend regarding my leaving my children at a truck stop and losing custody, well there are standards even attorneys are held to on public domains, just as you lied again to say my leaving my kids and losing custody was "a matter of public record"

keep it up dude  :lol: dig that hole as deep as you can for yourself  :lol:

***************************************************

Hey Klaas - I do think your meez of the rattiest man was dead on  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 sistah.. he is sick to say that about you.  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Source of the Lorenzo rumor is what she means here...

arubagirl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I know the source(s), I don't think they would make up something as crazy, but not putting my hand in fire. As to why....don't know.
_________________


LALA..You are finding some great stuff on old posts with lorenzo..Can you please put them in the Race Junkies thread if you find something good..I am still working on translations from pietjezz and I would like to put this all together soon as I believe we have some truths here..


Just exactly what do want me to put there?  What do you consider good?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:09:47 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Source of the Lorenzo rumor is what she means here...

arubagirl
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005

   
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I know the source(s), I don't think they would make up something as crazy, but not putting my hand in fire. As to why....don't know.
_________________


LALA..You are finding some great stuff on old posts with lorenzo..Can you please put them in the Race Junkies thread if you find something good..I am still working on translations from pietjezz and I would like to put this all together soon as I believe we have some truths here..


Just exactly what do want me to put there?  What do you consider good?



LALAS have you seen my post to you?  lmao?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:09:58 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"


unfortunately, southern maine loves their taxes... the more the bettah


UNfortunately, those taxes are being grossly misappropriated. I am beginning to wonder who's pocket they are going in.
Maine does not pay its medical bills for that wonderful free medical care they have and as a result some families with kiids and elderly will begin to be turned away. The doctors are leaving the state and some hospitals are going under.
My own doctor left last month to go back to the mid-west.
Isn't socialized medicine great?
Jeesh.


Right? It's why the state is losing the young population too... no jobs either!!


That's right. If I didn't own this farm and like my area, I'd be gone too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:11:55 AM
Art...not to mention the evil endless winters... whew.. cost of oil alone will break you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:13:39 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art...not to mention the evil endless winters... whew.. cost of oil alone will break you!


I know. Fortunately I have set myself up to heat with all wood. I think this Winter I'll have to do just that.
I had a funny feeling back during the first gulf war that the oil was going to become a problem and set about becoming as self sufficient as possible, while still having my creature comforts!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:14:46 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Art...not to mention the evil endless winters... whew.. cost of oil alone will break you!


OH, and the saying here is 10 months of Winter and two months of rough sledding! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:15:38 AM
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:


Ok, NOne You owe me a keyboard! ROFLMAO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Source of the Lorenzo rumor is what she means here...

arubagirl
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
I know the source(s), I don't think they would make up something as crazy, but not putting my hand in fire. As to why....don't know.
_________________


LALA..You are finding some great stuff on old posts with lorenzo..Can you please put them in the Race Junkies thread if you find something good..I am still working on translations from pietjezz and I would like to put this all together soon as I believe we have some truths here..


Just exactly what do want me to put there?  What do you consider good?


Anything that is somewhat credible that may give us clues that he may be involved. Some of these Arubans were right on the money but stop posting after june 2005.


Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."

Peeps: His dad owned the Volkswagen dealership here. He killed himself a couple of years ago, that's correct. The dealership is still there, but I don't know if they still have it or whatnot. locoman has a lot of money, but rumors have it that he's misusing the money. I think he doesn't even has to work for the rest of his life. locoman has 2 houses, and I got to know that he used to throw some heavy parties at his homes. That's how much I know. I have no clue if he frequents the casinos / hotels.
Peeps: She couldn't have been kidnapped. Not by plane. Not by boat. There are 2 surface radars, the Dutch marine coast guard. And nobody can leave without Customs clearance. Kidnapped in Aruba? That could be a posibility but why. She wanted to get free from her parents. Well by judging her last entry into her yearbook. That can also be a possibility. I firmly believe that she's been dumped into the sea on the west coast. Let her drift into the ocean. She would have been eaten by barracudas and other fishes, crabs in no time. Possibiliy to recover bones now, nil. I really want to see some change in sea currents caused by tropical storms, so that the sea can flush something back on shore. Then we would have something. This f***ing Joran is sly, and has a rarely seen strong character. There is a dutch team who specialize in interviewing suspects now with him. As I understand they are drilling him, and also filming him in order to look for any anormalities. The only way out I see, is to crack him. But without some evidence SOON it's difficult.

Peeps:From my uber reliable source, the local detectives searched his house twice already, but what to do if you can't find anything.
The police know about the parties, etc etc. And they also agree that LVR is a little kwak kwak in the head.
Anyhow, I got this pic from a source of mine, which I think will be the only pic you'll be able to find of him.
This is from his van, and guess who's driving.
So there, I helped you guys a little. I hope I don't get shafted like many helpful Arubians have been misused / abused in the past by los americanos. http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg
Don't ask me for more.
Don't ask me for higher resolution.
Don't ask me for bigger pictures.
I still stand by my opinion that you guys are losing your time with this fellow.
See you next time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:


Ok, NOne You owe me a keyboard! ROFLMAO!


may I add I hope the glue sticks everything to the chair?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 12:20:57 AM
ARUBA SPEED SHOP

Business address DOMINICAWEG 11, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company ARUBA SPEED SHOP
Date of commencement 4 FEBRUARY 2003

OWNERS/PARTNERS
ARENDSZ, PEDRO MAXIMO (JR);
Residing in JANSZSTRAAT 4, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 6 NOVEMBER 1978
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 18 FEBRUARY 2003
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1. TO OPERATE A GARAGE COMPANY.
2. TO IMPORT AND THE RETAIL TRADE IN AUTO PARTS AND -ACCESSORIES.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sam on July 19, 2007, 12:20:58 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:
That was funny.

Good night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:23:14 AM
Who drives an earthquake van with skeletons and naked ta-ta's painted on it, and is up to anything but no good? I mean really !!!

If nothing else trouble is Lorenzo's middle name !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 12:24:02 AM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:
That was funny.

Good night all.

Nite Sam.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:25:30 AM
I gotta run out of here... I am tired.

Keep the faith monkeys!

go get em NONE>..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:


Ok, NOne You owe me a keyboard! ROFLMAO!


may I add I hope the glue sticks everything to the chair?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


OMG< YES!!!! ROFLMAO! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:26:36 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I gotta run out of here... I am tired.

Keep the faith monkeys!

go get em NONE>..


NItey nite!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:28:14 AM
We could poke him with a pencil... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
We could poke him with a pencil... :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: you are the best lala's

Night Mrs, Night Sam !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
We could poke him with a pencil... :wink:


Be sure and sharpen it really good first! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:31:08 AM
I was buying groceries the other night and saw this pack of hamburgers that said...100% Chuck.  I started laughing out loud in the middle of Wally World because all I could think of was that pesty little rat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Angie sistah-

Thank you, he's likely not worth the waste of space here but I just am tired of him slamming every one of us.  :x

I hope he sits in some super glue and can't get up  :lol:  :lol:



roflmao   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:33:02 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I was buying groceries the other night and saw this pack of hamburgers that said...100% Chuck.  I started laughing out loud in the middle of Wally World because all I could think of was that pesty little rat.


Oh, that's funny! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:33:58 AM
Now, I really do need to get to bed.  So here's hugging Nemo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:34:02 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I was buying groceries the other night and saw this pack of hamburgers that said...100% Chuck.  I started laughing out loud in the middle of Wally World because all I could think of was that pesty little rat.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: he's the king of snarky isn't he?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 19, 2007, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I was buying groceries the other night and saw this pack of hamburgers that said...100% Chuck.  I started laughing out loud in the middle of Wally World because all I could think of was that pesty little rat.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: he's the king of snarky isn't he?


Snarky...I haven't heard that word in years.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:35:45 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Now, I really do need to get to bed.  So here's hugging Nemo.


me too, I took a nap late today because San ordered me to, now I'll have trouble going to sleep  :lol:

going to go try though.......it's all your fault San !  :lol:

Angie, I do hope you feel better and can get well soon !!!!

Rest well everyone !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:36:23 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I was buying groceries the other night and saw this pack of hamburgers that said...100% Chuck.  I started laughing out loud in the middle of Wally World because all I could think of was that pesty little rat.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: he's the king of snarky isn't he?


Snarky...I haven't heard that word in years.   :lol:


it FITS doesn't it?  :lol:  :lol: snarky sniveling pesky rat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Who drives an earthquake van with skeletons and naked ta-ta's painted on it, and is up to anything but no good? I mean really !!!

If nothing else trouble is Lorenzo's middle name !!


 reading old posts.. his name sure did come up ALOT then.. from the very beginning dang near.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 19, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
Well, I am off to beddy bye!

Have a great night!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Now, I really do need to get to bed.  So here's hugging Nemo.


me too, I took a nap late today because San ordered me to, now I'll have trouble going to sleep  :lol:

going to go try though.......it's all your fault San !  :lol:

Angie, I do hope you feel better and can get well soon !!!!

Rest well everyone !


night sistah and lalas..

ty sistah.. trying to get well..getting cranky in the process.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:44:24 AM
night to you art.. guess i will read more old posts since i am wide awake.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 12:47:49 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
night to you art.. guess i will read more old posts since i am wide awake.  :evil:


Hey Angie, how is the arm?  I am reading and folding laundry at the moment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 12:55:14 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
night to you art.. guess i will read more old posts since i am wide awake.  :evil:


Hey Angie, how is the arm?  I am reading and folding laundry at the moment.


 no better..  :(

How are you? how are your friends? I responded to your post late last night. I was so sorry to hear the news .. they are all in my prayers. so so sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 12:59:48 AM
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Hi guys, thanks for the warm welcome.

I'm almost afraid to post this, because I really to want to spread around the wrong info, but hasn't another Dutch guy been arrested? With the initials L.v.R.? Any locals hearing this? I've heard this from 2 different sources last night, but not from the press.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
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Rumors have it that the 5th guy's full name is Lorenzo Van Rijn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
night to you art.. guess i will read more old posts since i am wide awake.  :evil:


Hey Angie, how is the arm?  I am reading and folding laundry at the moment.


 no better..  :(

How are you? how are your friends? I responded to your post late last night. I was so sorry to hear the news .. they are all in my prayers. so so sad.


I am ok just sad.  I haven't been able to reach the family yet but will try tomorrow.  They send the body for an autopsy to try and determine what happened.  2 lifeguards and 5 staff members were at the pool with approximately 15 children.  I am having a hard time understanding how this happened.  I know it can happen quickly but I am still trying to understand.  Also, the fire station was directly behind the swimming pool.

I appreciate all the monkey prayers for little Steve.  (((hugs))).

P.S.  Tell your kids you love them and hug them often.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:13:12 AM
iquitos

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URGENT There is Holloway coverage on the Aruba radio now. Say information is that Natalee and Joran never went to lighthouse at all. They went to Marriott. Maybe there was sexual activity. Natalee got hysterical at some point. They left. Deepak went back alone to get something. Maybe they told Steve something although he is not suspected to have participated. Need some Papiamento speakers urgently. Deepak may be prime supect, not Joran. Young Surinamer was online at home by 2. They have talked to somebody via via via who has a witness who works near HI. He saw two people take a woman against her will and he put out alarm. He was not taken seriously. So the idea was she is hysterical, she makes a scene on beach near Marriott and heads back to her hotel where she is intercepted and taken away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 01:17:06 AM
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 01:17:11 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
iquitos

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

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URGENT There is Holloway coverage on the Aruba radio now. Say information is that Natalee and Joran never went to lighthouse at all. They went to Marriott. Maybe there was sexual activity. Natalee got hysterical at some point. They left. Deepak went back alone to get something. Maybe they told Steve something although he is not suspected to have participated. Need some Papiamento speakers urgently. Deepak may be prime supect, not Joran. Young Surinamer was online at home by 2. They have talked to somebody via via via who has a witness who works near HI. He saw two people take a woman against her will and he put out alarm. He was not taken seriously. So the idea was she is hysterical, she makes a scene on beach near Marriott and heads back to her hotel where she is intercepted and taken away.


The last part of this post has always bothered me.  Didn't someone that worked at a hotel report she heard a women scream?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:18:26 AM
arubagirl
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sb, with the entrance of van Rijn into the picture, people are starting to get a bit scared. He has a very scary reputation, don't know if it's deserved or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 01:20:07 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


My oldest son keeps asking why I am hugging and kissing on them so much.  I just smile I say "because I love you!"  Thinking how blessed I am that my children have been with me for another day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
iquitos

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

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URGENT There is Holloway coverage on the Aruba radio now. Say information is that Natalee and Joran never went to lighthouse at all. They went to Marriott. Maybe there was sexual activity. Natalee got hysterical at some point. They left. Deepak went back alone to get something. Maybe they told Steve something although he is not suspected to have participated. Need some Papiamento speakers urgently. Deepak may be prime supect, not Joran. Young Surinamer was online at home by 2. They have talked to somebody via via via who has a witness who works near HI. He saw two people take a woman against her will and he put out alarm. He was not taken seriously. So the idea was she is hysterical, she makes a scene on beach near Marriott and heads back to her hotel where she is intercepted and taken away.


The last part of this post has always bothered me.  Didn't someone that worked at a hotel report she heard a women scream?


  IIRC wasnt it a maid??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:25:16 AM
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This is all hearsay, so my apologies if it's not true:

van Rijn is 23, going on 24. He's very close to van der Sloot, and his father hanged himself after a life filled with drugs. I've HEARD that the son also does drugs, don't know it. Have also HEARD that he walks armed, but don't know for sure.

I've HEARD he lives at Jaraweg, but before he lived on the Savaneta main road.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 01:26:23 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


My oldest son keeps asking why I am hugging and kissing on them so much.  I just smile I say "because I love you!"  Thinking how blessed I am that my children have been with me for another day!

 my daughter and soninlaw and step daughter are affectionate.. my son and step son   :roll:  :roll:  I got cooties according to them.. lol  cant even try to hug them 2.. they back off. <both are 17> and snots to say the least.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
arubagirl
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005

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This is all hearsay, so my apologies if it's not true:

van Rijn is 23, going on 24. He's very close to van der Sloot, and his father hanged himself after a life filled with drugs. I've HEARD that the son also does drugs, don't know it. Have also HEARD that he walks armed, but don't know for sure.

I've HEARD he lives at Jaraweg, but before he lived on the Savaneta main road.


Good stuff Klaas!! After we are done entering all of this we can put together what we know or looks to be a fact. Lorenzo is Jorans half brother and they were quite close. He was arrested the 16th,19th,28th and rumored the first week..Rumors of him being friends with Paul Brough and a phone call by his house which may be close to where Joran caught the bus on may 30th...etc..

I will spend the time on it because everything I see that leads to the truth was in June 2005. The info coming out in 2007 is all BS and most of these Arubans never posted after June 2005.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 01:34:36 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


My oldest son keeps asking why I am hugging and kissing on them so much.  I just smile I say "because I love you!"  Thinking how blessed I am that my children have been with me for another day!

 my daughter and soninlaw and step daughter are affectionate.. my son and step son   :roll:  :roll:  I got cooties according to them.. lol  cant even try to hug them 2.. they back off. <both are 17> and snots to say the least.


The more he protests the more of a scene I make doing it.  I am lucky because all my kids are really affectionate.  I guess the oldest is getting too old to be hugged and kissed in front of his friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:38:47 AM
******* - I'm posting in the Racejunkies thread too  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 01:41:48 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


My oldest son keeps asking why I am hugging and kissing on them so much.  I just smile I say "because I love you!"  Thinking how blessed I am that my children have been with me for another day!

 my daughter and soninlaw and step daughter are affectionate.. my son and step son   :roll:  :roll:  I got cooties according to them.. lol  cant even try to hug them 2.. they back off. <both are 17> and snots to say the least.


The more he protests the more of a scene I make doing it.  I am lucky because all my kids are really affectionate.  I guess the oldest is getting too old to be hugged and kissed in front of his friends.


lol  those boys reach a certain age.. and they dont want mom to hug and kiss on them. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 01:45:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
******* - I'm posting in the Racejunkies thread too  :wink:


I know it 8) I know there are quite a few great researchers who are interested in this topic. I look forward to seeing it all..Hey can you change that thread to another name??Like June 2005 Lorenzo Info??

Did you see Pita sent me that post from Peeps talking about Lorenzo and sending the pic of the Van??I will post that soon and also I have that AM Digital article saved from june 4th 2005. I posted that this morning here in the cage.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:50:38 AM
I think this one has already be reposted:

arubagirl
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I know that right now I'm being an information tease, but it's just ridiculous that I'm afraid that I'm going to be howled out of the message board.

Deep sigh

Here goes:

According to neighbours of van Rijn's mom, this lady had an affair with v/d Sloot before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn. Natalee was held at Lorenzo's house (who lives alone), since he has a basement (not many houses here have a basement). Natalee has been moved from house to house belonging to those that are in the plan (don't know what plan that is). They are afraid to kill her what with everybody focusing on the case.

Look, I KNOW. I KNOW. It's sounds to utterly fantastic and ridiculous. Please don't kill me, troll me, flame me. Not for this. I WANT it to be true, that she is still alive.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:59:58 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

******* - I'll continue tomorrow where I left off in the archives


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 02:03:08 AM
Not in that racejunkies thread it wasnt  :)

 I think we got probably half of the credible rumors about him in the last few days. Lots of people saying he was arrested the 16th,people saying his main home wasnt searched and over and over again we hear he slightly insane,Throws part's..etc. Most importantly any confirmation that he is and acts like a brother to Joran. All the more reason that he is involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Not in that racejunkies thread it wasnt  :)

 I think we got probably half of the credible rumors about him in the last few days. Lots of people saying he was arrested the 16th,people saying his main home wasnt searched and over and over again we hear he slightly insane,Throws part's..etc. Most importantly any confirmation that he is and acts like a brother to Joran. All the more reason that he is involved.


I am happy to have the old archives back.  Sooo much forgotten info!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 19, 2007, 02:12:31 AM
night klaas.. crazy..*******.. lilpuma  

gonna read a bit where i left off in old posts.
have a good night.  hugs!
hugs to nemo and cp!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: crazymom on July 19, 2007, 02:20:02 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
night klaas.. crazy..*******.. lilpuma  

gonna read a bit where i left off in old posts.
have a good night.  hugs!
hugs to nemo and cp!  :D

Nite all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IBE on July 19, 2007, 03:54:00 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, on the whole, it's been a pretty good week. Terry doesn't have cancer and Indy isn't losing the farm.

Let's party!!!!  :D


You do realize that when you least expect it I am going to sneak up and tip that tube over, don't ya? lol


I was thinking more of just  :smt064  a small hole in it  :roll:

I checked and nothing in the Lounge on JerryfromOhio and his family farm problems >>>  Has anyone seen anything posted in the LCD on this ...
TIA


the thread in the lounge says May I ask you to pray for me?  or a similar title... unfortunately, Jerry did lose the farm... it was an eminent domain case... I personally would love to see him on H&C, because that is one of the few things they actually get right. :?


Mrs. Red I like erry from Ohio a lot He's a Buckeye and I am a Hoosier even though here in So CA.and I think both part Indian :lol: Is there a way that Jerry could fill you in on the details and you or someone he also trusts and can be matched up to H&C... I know many Good Monkeys here have CONTACTS

I think that you have a year or more to get it back... like in a BK, but not sure.

Jerry you need to ride that bucking bull or horse right up into the studio of H&C... at least in spirit.... You need it and American needs it.

Good over evil[/b]


Title: Sorry Jerry
Post by: IBE on July 19, 2007, 03:58:21 AM
The browser I am using today doesn't react to the buttons you use for "bold" so I was hand putting in the html... Somehow I erased the "J" in "Jerry" Sorry

It's Jerry from Ohio not erry from Ohio :oops:  :roll: [/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: IBE on July 19, 2007, 04:14:16 AM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OS... true that.  Also wouldn't there be people walking on the beach... didn't the Arubans state over and over that it was normal for people to be walking on the beach?


Yes and yes.

The beach story makes no sense to me with all the dk, sk, I walked.
Just more lies.

If Natalee was on the beach imo, it was after the fact, put her there and someone with a boat arrives. Not sure about that angle in my thoughts yet. And because NO one on that island can tell the truth. Dang it.

I mean we hear that dk's car is soooooo loud.

I do believe the gardner because of dk's reaction to the witness.

right? he can't remember who picked him up???


Have you ever seen the movie Braveheart? I just saw it on TV a few weeks ago, and at the end they do some stuff to Mel Gibson (I think that is the actor) bet that would work on the "boys and daddy."

OS


Braveheart was about Wallace in Scotland, am I still right?  Anyway he is a direct relative on my father's side. When my father got really really angry, usually about some injustice my mom said light would flash out of his eyes and she said I do it too.... but that was a long time ago.

Right now I'd just be happy not to get lines around the eyes :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 05:31:02 AM
Morning Monkeys..A couple of people at BFN had asked me to post my experience with ATA members in Boston..Originally it was goin on the FP at SM but it was erased by accident :(

Some of you asked me to tell my story with ATA members that we talked to in Boston so I will do my best to remember as it has been a few months. Dadof1 I am sure can add to this. Nothing extraordinary was talked about and it was pretty much what I expected but this is my experience.

I arrived on Saturday morning and it didn't take long before I had my first encounter outside. Carrying the big sign that said Justice for Natalee a lady came up to me and said in a loud tone Natalee Who?? I said Natalee Holloway,she went missing in Aruba almost two years ago..She cut me off and said so what people go missing all the time and acted like she didn't know who Natalee was....Look at all the crime and missing people in the U.S. She said this Natalee whoever is just one missing person.. As I was explaining to her that Natalee never got a fair Investigation and this was no ordinary missing American. She cut me off again and I could tell this was someone very cold who didn't want to hear me talk as she was mentioning crime/missing people in the U.S. I said look the parents have been fighting a foreign govt for two years and just want the truth and justice about there missing daughter...The Father of the main suspects was friends with Investigators and Govt officials......She cut me off again and said the U.S Govt isn't corrupt? I said this was about a young girl who was most likely murdered,the crime covered up and the family has no answers or there daughter..She said and Bush and American Govt doesn't cover up murders? She then walked into the building.

We were not sure who she was but when I did go into the Travel Show she was front and center in there large section. Her name was Katie who looked to be American or Dutch..My guess would be American(Blonde and Blue eyes). Someone at the travel show saw me with a  Aruba brochure and commented to me how rude she was..Said he had a horrible time at a certain resort and she told him well you get what you pay for.

I knew that talking to these people from Aruba would be pointless but I did it for my own curiosity and to show them we were loving caring people and why we were there. Not ignorant animals who wanted to hurt everyone in Aruba. Every time I talked to anyone at the Booth I made sure they knew who I was and why I was in Boston. I believe I talked to most everyone except for one or two ladies around Katie and the guy I heard about on Friday. Also I wasn't in Boston on Friday to see the bad looks that the Arubans gave or the attempt to get us kicked off the property.

Because Gabe Leo said he would be in Boston and was looking forward to meeting us I went looking for him..He was a no show!! I talked to a few members of the band a bit as they looked to be the youngest..They had no opinions on anything..Talked to another member and she had explained to me that there Govt that was bad and what can they do? She compared it to the U.S Govt and if I had any control over there actions.. I had a similar talk with another member and she told me the same thing..They admitted there Govt was not on the up but said it was out of there control.. They were both nice people and they both clearly understood why we were outside being a voice for Natalee and they had no problems with it. We met the Aruban dancer outside and she told me she was instructed or restricted not to talk about Natalee Holloway or the case.

Day 2:I was feeling a bit tired,cold and it was a much slower day so I spent a bit more time inside talking to the Arubans. It had snowed overnight and that may have scared off some people who were gonna attend the event. However Organizers had told us though that they had met there goals for attendance.

A few times when the Arubans would come out to smoke I would smile and wave and they would do the same. We had talked to a very nice lady who managed one of the resorts. She was very charming and like most of the ATA members were fine representatives. Judging by there webcam I dont believe the numbers she had told me for occupancy are correct. I would suspect that what they discuss with me is quite diffrent than a travel show attendee. Especially when it was obvious they were coached or told not to talk about the case. So much of the time it was small talk about Aruba or the States.

Dadof1 introduced me to a very outgoing and extremely friendly gent who wanted to talk about the case. I immediately brough up PVDS and he told me that he was a dirtbag or dirty and a outcast on the island..That was shocking to me as everyone else at the booth didn't have much to say as I expected..I told him I thought there was a conflict of interest involving PVDS friends who were high ranking members of the ALE. He said who? I mentioned "Papito" Edward Commencia..He said No No..He is a very good friend of mine and is a good cop and did nothing wrong. I asked if that was Jorans God Father and he told me no. Then I asked about Van Der Straaten and he shook his head like he was a good cop as well and doesnt think that is Joran's God Father either but it was possible..he never finished his thought..He wanted to talk more but was working and asked for me to come back later..It was late on sunday and unfortunately I didn't :(

On the other side of the booth were two younger lookin Aruban girls..I introduced myself and she said she knew who I was with a smile..I explained to her it wasn't like me to be at a protest but what was done to Natalee was outrageous. Like everyone else she was quiet and either agreed or didn't know. When I brought up people involved in the case around her age she told me she was from Curacao originally so she doesnt know them. We talked about the Curacao making the LLWS in baseball and daily life in Aruba.We had talked for a while about places in Aruba and I brought up C&C and she had told me its a fun place and she has been there alot. I had told her what lead investigator Dennis Jacobs had told Dave Holloway on the first day looking for his daughter about watching his drink as people put things into drinks...etc..SHe had told me she never heard of people being drugged and that she doesnt go there much now as she is married. I could see that I was drawing attention from the center of the ATA Booth. After that something was handed to her and she looked underneath it. Dadof1 asked her if that was a note meaning to be quiet and she slightly acknowledged.Dadof1 made a joke about visiting the Curacao booth and I was joking around so I said yes she is trying to break Joran's record of 22 straight lies. We had a good long talk about many things here and in Aruba and she got a kick out of the accents from where I am from as they dont use the R'S..Pawk the Caw..Wotten Wabbit Etc.. :)

The ATA had a nice setup with mostly warm friendly Arubans and they spent Big Bucks at this travel show. Front and center they had the dis-information people and those most suited to answer questions the way the Aruban Govt wanted them answered. I believe everyone else was instructed not to voice there opinions or talk about Natalee Holloway. They knew we were coming and I noticed on sunday the older looking Aruban Gentleman who watched us closely for several hours.

Looking back on the event I am very happy I attended and I know we made a impact in Boston. I hope in the near future this case is solved so that we dont have to actively Boycott Aruba and get organized. We all know Aruba tourism depends on cities like Boston and NY Let's all keep the faith until Natalee is brought home and justice is served.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 06:13:12 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think you guys should know that all this talk about the dogs is making me sick to my stomach...I am very, very disturbed by all this...you should hear what the local sports radio shows say...I can't even attempt to listen.  I am one of those people that's heart is so sensitive to animal cruelty that I just can't stand to read about it.


I totally agree. I had to turn the TV off last night. Even just scrolling through the stations made me ill as it was covered on so many. So many horrible things going on in our World. If we allow our minds to constantly think of them then we will go (as in the words of Art Colley)... "stark raving mad". My mother used to say that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 06:19:57 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
sweetheart..damnit..I hate not being able to edit my spelling mistakes :(

No problem ******* - I'll let Vicki know you called her sweaty  :lol:


Ok :wink: I am now writing my experience with ATA members in boston as requested by  two at BFN..Sucks because I wrote this all out after the show and it got deleted :( 1+1??? :oops:


OH damn it I hate that thing... it happens to me constantly!


Yeah...that thing must really suck for Pearl...she writes a book most times. She must save it as she goes along.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 06:25:51 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Altruist,

I think he mentioned a developer in one post.. I may be wrong.. still it's sad... very sad. Most states and places have tax emptions for disabled people...I am pretty sure that Maine does.. at least I am constantly reading about it..


Maine also has tax breaks for "homesteaders"  and veterans.

Of course, we are taxed to the gills for everything else.  :evil:


right Maine's motto is .. got some dreams, we will tax those too!


Yes. I hate Baldacci. (bald nazi) as he is called in some circles! :twisted:



Indeed...my Son calls him bald crotchy, lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:30:07 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I HEARD THAT, BLAH!  Just wanting you to know I caught you!

My lips are sealed on both subjects.  

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 :D  8)  :D



 :wink:

its Robots fault!!!


 :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 06:30:10 AM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
This was my favorite line by the old mods.

Please watch your quote stacks. :lol:


Oh GOD, YES!!!!!  ANd I recall having a helluvatime trying to figure out how to NOT have a quote stack, lol!

That was one of the reasons I was afraid to post :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


And now those very same people have quote stacks a page long at their vile home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 06:48:59 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


(http://bestsmileys.com/eek/5.gif) OMG ROB......it's SHANGO!!


Title: Good Morning
Post by: Leslie on July 19, 2007, 07:12:34 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 08:02:04 AM
Geraldo will be speaking about Natalee tonight on Fox...just caught the tale end of the preview and I am not sure which evening show he will be on...keep eyes and ears open today...post more later when which show/time is confirmed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Geraldo will be speaking about Natalee tonight on Fox...just caught the tale end of the preview and I am not sure which evening show he will be on...keep eyes and ears open today...post more later when which show/time is confirmed.


BILL O'Reilly... whose latest thing is that girls should avoid situations of abusive men... :roll:

Of course I am going to watch, but I have to wonder about this "new twist".....  I am prepared to be ill though. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 19, 2007, 08:48:07 AM
What I take from the the "archives" we have re-posted so far is this:
In the first 2 weeks, there WERE some good, helpful Arubans posting here and showing concern. These are the type of people who you do not want to hurt through a "boycott".
What the hell happened after that????
Nothing but a campaign of lies, deceipt, and hate. The whole island deserves our wrath. They are complicit AND complacent.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 08:55:20 AM
I agree Wreck... they are completely complacent in allowing this to continue to harm the island.   They can blather alll they want about how there are murders, etc in the U.S. and it is the truth, but at least we stand up and demand that something be done... and when justice here fails us, we still hold the person accountable... just ask OJ about his career now...

and I have hope that even harming animals such as MVICk did, we will see some justice done... this case is far too covered and too many people outraged... (rightfully so) that the NFL will protect its image


the "innocent" Arubans should do the same...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 08:57:56 AM
Good morning

Can someone go to palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/ under local newspaper and bring the story over about Jorge Pesquera?

Looks  like he is going to be offered the job today..

txs,
OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 09:01:05 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas.. read those posts.. Lorenzo's name sure came up alot didn't it?

Crazy.. how tragic.  God Bless little Steve and his family.


My oldest son keeps asking why I am hugging and kissing on them so much.  I just smile I say "because I love you!"  Thinking how blessed I am that my children have been with me for another day!

 my daughter and soninlaw and step daughter are affectionate.. my son and step son   :roll:  :roll:  I got cooties according to them.. lol  cant even try to hug them 2.. they back off. <both are 17> and snots to say the least.


its the AGE..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Kindof freaking looking Rob...no offense  :lol:


I know that site is a riot...lol...

I'll prolly make a new one every day now. I get addicted to stuff like this. :lol:


(http://bestsmileys.com/eek/5.gif) OMG ROB......it's SHANGO!!


I changed it back....LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?



I HEARD THAT, BLAH!  Just wanting you to know I caught you!

My lips are sealed on both subjects.  

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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thWhatever.gif)


 :D  8)  :D



 :wink:

its Robots fault!!!


 :lol:  8)




 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:05:50 AM
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:38:24 -0700 (PDT)


http://tinyurl.com/2spqtc
 
Visitors bureau looks set to hire CEO at top pay
 
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 19, 2007
WEST PALM BEACH — Members of the county's Convention and Visitors Bureau are expected to choose their new leader today and offer a compensation package that rivals the pay of most top county government officials.
Jorge Pesquera, president and chief operating officer of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, is the top choice of the bureau's search committee to serve as its CEO/president. The tourism bureau's full board of directors will decide today whether to formally offer him the job.
In hopes of luring Pesquera from his well-paying job, the bureau has put together a salary and bonus package that could bring his total pay to about $195,000 in his first year and more than $250,000 by his third.
In his first year on the job, Pesquera would make more than Deputy County Administrator Verdenia Baker, the county's second-in-command and the one responsible for overseeing the county's tourism-related agencies.
Bureau officials point to Pesquera's 30 years of experience in the travel and tourism industry. They also said they were impressed with how he handled himself during a crisis that played out in the national media.
Pesquera was head of Aruba's tourism agency in 2005 when American citizen Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a graduation trip there. On his résumé, he takes credit for playing "the key role in the establishment of the strategic communications task force, which worked behind the scenes to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott by some U.S. elected officials."
Pesquera, who officials say now makes about $250,000, would have to take a pay cut to come here. Officials have tentatively negotiated a three-year proposal that would bring Pesquera's pay to his current level by offering bonuses using the bureau's private accounts.
"I really believe this is a great choice," Roy Assad, the search committee's chairman, said of Pesquera. "I believe if you want to bring talent, you have to pay for it."
Pay increases and bonuses for the bureau's previous CEO, Warren "Mac" McLaughlin, were often controversial. McLaughlin was forced to retire in November when the bureau was in the midst of its nearly $1.6 million embezzlement scandal.
In 2005, the bureau spent nine months trying to boost McLaughlin's pay, saying he was underpaid compared with other CEOs in comparably sized bureaus. The original proposal called for McLaughlin to be eligible for a $46,000 bonus, which could have brought his annual pay higher than what County Administrator Bob Weisman was making at the time. After county commissioners balked, the bureau gave McLaughlin a much smaller bonus - around $13,800 - out of its private accounts.
The bureau's $10 million budget is largely paid for by bed taxes, a 5 percent tax visitors pay on hotel rooms. But as nonprofit, the agency also can generate private money through membership and board dues and participation fees.
An audit of the bureau last year by the clerk and comptroller's office took issue with the CEO's pay including a mix of public and private money. The audit found that the use of "private funds to increase county-approved compensation and benefits results in unapproved expenditures of county dollars." The audit concluded that the bureau wouldn't be able to generate private money if bed tax money didn't pay for operations at the bureau.
Palm Beach County Clerk and Comptroller Sharon Bock on Wednesday said she was concerned that the bureau planned to continue mixing private and public money and said the CEO's entire compensation package should be vetted by the county commission. Use of private money to compensate the bureau's CEO doesn't require commission approval.
Those who defend the compensation package say the position's pay is boosted largely by private money - and the amount of bed taxes used would be about the same McLaughlin would have received if he were still head of the bureau.
Supporters emphasized the bonuses would have to be earned.
County Commissioner Jeff Koons said the bonuses shouldn't be handed out automatically, as in the past, but rather the new CEO's performance should be evaluated and then a bonus given only if it's deserved.
"These are not going to be gifts," Koons said. "He's going to have to earn it."
Assad emphasized that if the board wasn't happy with the new CEO's performance, the contract could be terminated. McLaughlin wasn't under contract.
"We are no longer willing to accept mediocrity," Assad said. "He will be under a lot of pressure to perform."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 09:07:18 AM
Visitors bureau looks set to hire CEO at top pay
By DEANA POOLE

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, July 19, 2007


Audio = http://tinyurl.com/26e52t

WEST PALM BEACH — Members of the county's Convention and Visitors Bureau are expected to choose their new leader today and offer a compensation package that rivals the pay of most top county government officials.

Jorge Pesquera, president and chief operating officer of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, is the top choice of the bureau's search committee to serve as its CEO/president. The tourism bureau's full board of directors will decide today whether to formally offer him the job.

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In hopes of luring Pesquera from his well-paying job, the bureau has put together a salary and bonus package that could bring his total pay to about $195,000 in his first year and more than $250,000 by his third.

In his first year on the job, Pesquera would make more than Deputy County Administrator Verdenia Baker, the county's second-in-command and the one responsible for overseeing the county's tourism-related agencies.

Bureau officials point to Pesquera's 30 years of experience in the travel and tourism industry. They also said they were impressed with how he handled himself during a crisis that played out in the national media.

Pesquera was head of Aruba's tourism agency in 2005 when American citizen Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a graduation trip there. On his résumé, he takes credit for playing "the key role in the establishment of the strategic communications task force, which worked behind the scenes to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott by some U.S. elected officials."

Pesquera, who officials say now makes about $250,000, would have to take a pay cut to come here. Officials have tentatively negotiated a three-year proposal that would bring Pesquera's pay to his current level by offering bonuses using the bureau's private accounts.

"I really believe this is a great choice," Roy Assad, the search committee's chairman, said of Pesquera. "I believe if you want to bring talent, you have to pay for it."

Pay increases and bonuses for the bureau's previous CEO, Warren "Mac" McLaughlin, were often controversial. McLaughlin was forced to retire in November when the bureau was in the midst of its nearly $1.6 million embezzlement scandal.

In 2005, the bureau spent nine months trying to boost McLaughlin's pay, saying he was underpaid compared with other CEOs in comparably sized bureaus. The original proposal called for McLaughlin to be eligible for a $46,000 bonus, which could have brought his annual pay higher than what County Administrator Bob Weisman was making at the time. After county commissioners balked, the bureau gave McLaughlin a much smaller bonus - around $13,800 - out of its private accounts.

The bureau's $10 million budget is largely paid for by bed taxes, a 5 percent tax visitors pay on hotel rooms. But as nonprofit, the agency also can generate private money through membership and board dues and participation fees.

An audit of the bureau last year by the clerk and comptroller's office took issue with the CEO's pay including a mix of public and private money. The audit found that the use of "private funds to increase county-approved compensation and benefits results in unapproved expenditures of county dollars." The audit concluded that the bureau wouldn't be able to generate private money if bed tax money didn't pay for operations at the bureau.

Palm Beach County Clerk and Comptroller Sharon Bock on Wednesday said she was concerned that the bureau planned to continue mixing private and public money and said the CEO's entire compensation package should be vetted by the county commission. Use of private money to compensate the bureau's CEO doesn't require commission approval.

Those who defend the compensation package say the position's pay is boosted largely by private money - and the amount of bed taxes used would be about the same McLaughlin would have received if he were still head of the bureau.

Supporters emphasized the bonuses would have to be earned.

County Commissioner Jeff Koons said the bonuses shouldn't be handed out automatically, as in the past, but rather the new CEO's performance should be evaluated and then a bonus given only if it's deserved.

"These are not going to be gifts," Koons said. "He's going to have to earn it."

Assad emphasized that if the board wasn't happy with the new CEO's performance, the contract could be terminated. McLaughlin wasn't under contract.

"We are no longer willing to accept mediocrity," Assad said. "He will be under a lot of pressure to perform."

http://tinyurl.com/2spqtc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 09:08:58 AM
Thanks Rob,

Not a good way to start the morning.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:14:03 AM
I think all of Palm Beach's offices need to be sent the new FP link, mayor on down....

and rob you look much better... :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Thanks Rob,

Not a good way to start the morning.

OS


Here is an audio link = http://tinyurl.com/26e52t


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think all of Palm Beach's offices need to be sent the new FP link, mayor on down....

and rob you look much better... :lol:  :wink:


red has written an article on this new development...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 09:15:09 AM
I would like to give him a bonus.

Palm beach co. just lost a visitor.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Thanks Rob,

Not a good way to start the morning.

OS


No it's not OS. I get a big kick out the government hacks that are always saying "the people have spoken", apparently thats only for issues they want. Otherwise we're a bunch of idiots.


After all the heat this generated, you would think they would look else where, but NOOOOOO they dug their heals in.

8-0 was the initial vote.


In the grand scheme of things, Palm Beach Florida is not a top destination... but allows Aruba to keep their obstructer close by Miami.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think all of Palm Beach's offices need to be sent the new FP link, mayor on down....

and rob you look much better... :lol:  :wink:


Thanks Mrs... LOL..

You know we used to have a house their til last year..... looks like it was the right move...

Palm Beach is not known for the 'rocket scientists' in local government.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 09:18:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Thanks Rob,

Not a good way to start the morning.

OS


No it's not OS. I get a big kick out the government hacks that are always saying "the people have spoken", apparently thats only for issues they want. Otherwise we're a bunch of idiots.


After all the heat this generated, you would think they would look else where, but NOOOOOO they dug their heals in.

8-0 was the initial vote.


In the grand scheme of things, Palm Beach Florida is not a top destination... but allows Aruba to keep their obstructer close by Miami.

At the final year of his contract his pay will be $250,000. + Bonus

How much you want to bet he is being paid even more under the table.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 19, 2007, 09:19:02 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

OS  Palm Beach County just lost 5 more visitors as my family won't be traveling there either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 09:21:25 AM
And we wonder what is happening to our country.

Don't have to look too far.

This just grates on my last nerve.

You don't reward someone for bad behavior.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:21:43 AM
His 'bonus' amounts to a little more than 10K per quarter.

It's like Palm Beach got on their hands and knees and groveled. What a bunch of losers.

There are a lot of other qualified people that would have done the job for the 196K without the extra 10K.

196K is still alot of money.

Apparently no allegiance to the people of Palm Beach. But they are prolly totally unaware that this issue has even taken place.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 09:25:30 AM
Doesn't Donald Trump have a house in West Palm Beach?  Let the Donald loose on him.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 09:25:51 AM
Oh the humanity...... hot dog chili sauce recalled!  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:26:36 AM
So I say inform them... send the links to the mayor, everyone...the chamber of commerce anybody everybody... let them know that no one wants to travel where bad behavior is rewarded...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:26:52 AM
For me it's the disingenuous way Palm Beach SELLS Pesquera. Like what he did during Natalee's case was somehow a badge of honor to these morons.

Truly repulsive. They were warned and can't say they had no idea. And by the way, why is it our job to do thei back ground check?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Oh the humanity...... hot dog chili sauce recalled!  :(


certainly must have come from China.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Doesn't Donald Trump have a house in West Palm Beach?  Let the Donald loose on him.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yes and so does Rush Limbaugh.... love him or hate him... I don't listen to him at all but if we can get any mouths behind the issue....  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Oh the humanity...... hot dog chili sauce recalled!  :(


Let's get some for Jorge lol.

Guess that is not really funny, but I am outraged..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Doesn't Donald Trump have a house in West Palm Beach?  Let the Donald loose on him.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Unfortunately it is people like the Donald who will welcome this POS with open arms.

Jorge obviously got this job through connections and those connections go to Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 19, 2007, 09:29:50 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

Working and lurking....Ugghhhh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
For me it's the disingenuous way Palm Beach SELLS Pesquera. Like what he did during Natalee's case was somehow a badge of honor to these morons.

Truly repulsive. They were warned and can't say they had no idea. And by the way, why is it our job to do thei back ground check?


You tell em Rob.

I am spitting nails here..


BP is wayyyy up.

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 09:32:18 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Oh the humanity...... hot dog chili sauce recalled!  :(


certainly must have come from China.  :lol:


Is China where they recently executed the food and drug guy for not doing his job?  Now, that's a bonus for ya!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Oh the humanity...... hot dog chili sauce recalled!  :(


Let's get some for Jorge lol.

Guess that is not really funny, but I am outraged..


I wonder if Jorge would be willing to spill his guts after he leaves Aruba......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"

(http://bestsmileys.com/eek/5.gif) OMG ROB......it's SHANGO!!


I found out this weekend that there is a 'wrestler' (don't know much about this form of entertainment, but my 30 year old nephews do) that goes by the name of SHANGO  :shock:

I haven't checked it out yet.

I overheard my nephews and their friends referring to my ex bil (who passed away 3 years ago) as SHANGO. Apparently a nic my nephews gave him -- due to this 'wrestler'.

I nearly freaked out.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 09:37:28 AM
Just posted on the front page of SM:

Mohican
Jul 19, 9:26 AM

129,

Erik is not new to this site…he’s been around since day one. He is a good man, he means well and his family is part of Aruba’s Dutch establishment. He knows ArubaGirl, Sandra Kosterman-Klein, Arlene Ellis-Schipper, Smid, Smit, Van der Straten, Paulus, Ben Vocking and the rest of the players with an important role on the case, its investigation and the communications about it. He is well integrated into the Aruba society, but still holds dearly and proudly his Dutch origins. Yet he feels obligated to keep a coherent and “unquestionable” conduct of solidarity and loyalty towards the island and its people.

The effects of the NH disappearance are very painful for him and so is exploring the possibility that one of “his own” could commit a crime so atrocious, so he chooses to hold to the idea that Natalee could have ran away to Venezuela, Colombia or elsewhere, or that someone not Dutch attacked Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, or at times prefers to blame it on the Kalpoes.

There are many Eriks in Aruba and many of them continue to post here. They are not new to this site. When they express a sentiment of pity towards Joran, they are projecting their own personal pain, because accusations towards the individual (Joran) are taken as accusations towards the group (Netherlanders living in Aruba).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think all of Palm Beach's offices need to be sent the new FP link, mayor on down....

and rob you look much better... :lol:  :wink:


Several of the tabloids that have been covering the Natalee story in the past are HQ'd in Palm Beach County.

How can we get the story to them?

I'd like to see what they do for a headline to this story  :evil: . On the front page of their paper.  :lol:  :lol:

Palm Beach County Tourism Replaces Corrupt Official with ..........

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:42:30 AM
thanks Klaas for bringing that post in here...

it's an interesting mindset that joran represents all from the netherlands.. I sure as hell don't think that oj simpson is representative of all americans...

bizarre thinking IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Doesn't Donald Trump have a house in West Palm Beach?  Let the Donald loose on him.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Mar y Lago is in Palm Beach, not WPB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think all of Palm Beach's offices need to be sent the new FP link, mayor on down....

and rob you look much better... :lol:  :wink:


Several of the tabloids that have been covering the Natalee story in the past are HQ'd in Palm Beach County.

How can we get the story to them?

I'd like to see what they do for a headline to this story  :evil: . On the front page of their paper.  :lol:  :lol:

Palm Beach County Tourism Replaces Corrupt Official with ..........

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


a thought just occurred to me.. how does an Aruban get a job in the US.... are we now favoring those immigrants???

I think that the tabloids are the perfect way to bring attention to this actually, they love that kind of thing.  How do we find addresses??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 09:46:08 AM
Re. the West Palm Beach tourism position - I can only say that the reporter for the Sun-Sentinel did try to contact a family member or supporter on July 11 (the day after the initial story ran).

I don't know whether anyone responded. As I posted at the time, I was disappointed that this situation was not a FP article at the time.  :cry:

I checked the paper every day since then; I thought the offer would be final on 07/11 but apparently the "Wednesday" referenced was 07/18.

Probably nothing would have made a difference, but I don't think much effort was made on this one ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 09:47:07 AM
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 09:48:09 AM
nikkibnurse

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject:      

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Hey guys..just one of your newbies trying to stay ahead..sorry if i repeat myself, but for some reason, i cant get anybody to answer me..lol...
Does anyone know whether or not this is a rumor or if it is true: I heard that Joren's personal website had him claiming that he is a "pimp" and the "roofie king".Has anyone else heard that? Also, does anyone find it strange, that #1, sibling V.van der sloot has a g/f named natalie? And #2, I think it is strange that this "marten" guy shows up in alot of the friends tickle pages that alot of sloot's friends are in..hmm..he's a creepy old dude.Sounds like a pedophile to me...
Thanks to those of you that have responded to me...just trying to fit in, and feeling a little left out.

Edited to add:  I don't remember seeing anything about "roofie king"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Just posted on the front page of SM:

Mohican
Jul 19, 9:26 AM

129,

Erik is not new to this site…he’s been around since day one. He is a good man, he means well and his family is part of Aruba’s Dutch establishment. He knows ArubaGirl, Sandra Kosterman-Klein, Arlene Ellis-Schipper, Smid, Smit, Van der Straten, Paulus, Ben Vocking and the rest of the players with an important role on the case, its investigation and the communications about it. He is well integrated into the Aruba society, but still holds dearly and proudly his Dutch origins. Yet he feels obligated to keep a coherent and “unquestionable” conduct of solidarity and loyalty towards the island and its people.

The effects of the NH disappearance are very painful for him and so is exploring the possibility that one of “his own” could commit a crime so atrocious, so he chooses to hold to the idea that Natalee could have ran away to Venezuela, Colombia or elsewhere, or that someone not Dutch attacked Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, or at times prefers to blame it on the Kalpoes.

There are many Eriks in Aruba and many of them continue to post here. They are not new to this site. When they express a sentiment of pity towards Joran, they are projecting their own personal pain, because accusations towards the individual (Joran) are taken as accusations towards the group (Netherlanders living in Aruba).


Nice post, but even the Unabomber's own brother turned him in.  Nothing personal, ya know!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Just posted on the front page of SM:

Mohican
Jul 19, 9:26 AM

129,

Erik is not new to this site…he’s been around since day one. He is a good man, he means well and his family is part of Aruba’s Dutch establishment. He knows ArubaGirl, Sandra Kosterman-Klein, Arlene Ellis-Schipper, Smid, Smit, Van der Straten, Paulus, Ben Vocking and the rest of the players with an important role on the case, its investigation and the communications about it. He is well integrated into the Aruba society, but still holds dearly and proudly his Dutch origins. Yet he feels obligated to keep a coherent and “unquestionable” conduct of solidarity and loyalty towards the island and its people.

The effects of the NH disappearance are very painful for him and so is exploring the possibility that one of “his own” could commit a crime so atrocious, so he chooses to hold to the idea that Natalee could have ran away to Venezuela, Colombia or elsewhere, or that someone not Dutch attacked Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, or at times prefers to blame it on the Kalpoes.

There are many Eriks in Aruba and many of them continue to post here. They are not new to this site. When they express a sentiment of pity towards Joran, they are projecting their own personal pain, because accusations towards the individual (Joran) are taken as accusations towards the group (Netherlanders living in Aruba).


Well, he might have a point.  The Dutch do seem to stick together on that island.  The damn Americans living there do too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 09:50:14 AM
Mrs. Red - the guy is Puerto Rican and is in fact an American citizen. Attended school in Maryland and graduated from Cornell with a degree in hotel/travel/restaurant management. (I am not familiar with what those degree programs - but Cornell is THE leading degree program for the hospitality industry.)

Puerto Rico is a US territory ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 09:51:22 AM
I really am wondering if the reason why WPB has gone after this joker for the hire, is due to that previous scandal. Often in situations like that you can't get the best person for the job, due to the corruption that preceded them. Just goes to show Jorge's list of opportunities to choose from also!

msmarples I felt all the while that to accomplish anything would have taken a letter writing campaign to the membership of that board, that being said I do think having the tabloids call them out could sting post the hire but it does appear today is D-Day on this decision?  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?

I think the NE is from S. FLA, Lantana to be exact or used to be.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: "San"

Unfortunately it is people like the Donald who will welcome this POS with open arms.
Jorge obviously got this job through connections and those connections go to Aruba.


I don't know if I agree with that San. It's something that I have been thinking about since the article came out.....

The 'wealthy' in the city of Palm Beach are not fond of 'tourists' most of which they refer to as 'riff raff'  :lol: They do not 'appreciate' that element on Worth Ave.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I don't think that PBC tourism is gearing to the folks that can afford to stay at Trumps.

They are probably gearing the campaign to the more affordable areas and beaches of PBC.

WPB has gone through some major construction in recent years with the Javits Performing Arts center, CityPlace and the upgrade of the 'design district'. Very tourist-y.

But I will keep my eyes open when the campaign starts.

And I hope and pray that is will NOT be under the direction of PESQUERA.
Who -- yes -- is American since he was born in Puerto Rico


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 09:54:40 AM
msmarples- my father owned hotels and he sent me to Cornell's summer program for two summers, he was praying I would like that industry and come work for him post college. I did not choose that path but I can also tell you it is the standard for those in hospitality, but it also does not require rocket scientist brains to gain entry into that program.

It also isn't a field the 'top students' in our nation often pursue for the hours and the demands are so great - worse than consulting  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 09:54:43 AM
I have a question.

I am going to alphabetize the WHO'S WHO threads.  Should I use first or last names?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "Rob"
For me it's the disingenuous way Palm Beach SELLS Pesquera. Like what he did during Natalee's case was somehow a badge of honor to these morons.

Truly repulsive. They were warned and can't say they had no idea. And by the way, why is it our job to do thei back ground check?


You tell em Rob.

I am spitting nails here..


BP is wayyyy up.

OS


yeah why not just say - hey we're hiring someone just like us.. a HACK. Someone who will do our dirty work.

BTW - when Natalee's case all went down on June 9-10-11 2005 (this is when all the top idiots made the decisions) Pesquera was in on all the meetings and helped plan the strategy to torment Beth and her family.

THIS IS A FACT!!! NOT MY OPINION.

The problem here is that no one on Aruba is very smart at all. (they seem like mental giants to FOB and RU, but they're the 2%er's)

Oduber TELLS you exactly what is gonna happen and he tells YOU EXACTLY WHY. THIS IS NOT A SECRET!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?


I think so.

Which was the one that got hit with Anthrax in 2001. They were in Boca -- I was on a project right down the street at the time -- but they relocated from the contaminated building. Was that the Enguirer?

There's one HQ'd in Boynton Beach -- or Riviera Beach -- maybe The Globe??

They have a 'different' corporate name -- and I think they own at least 2 of the tabloids.

Gotta run -- but will check this out this afternoon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Observer on July 19, 2007, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
nikkibnurse

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject:      

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Hey guys..just one of your newbies trying to stay ahead..sorry if i repeat myself, but for some reason, i cant get anybody to answer me..lol...
Does anyone know whether or not this is a rumor or if it is true: I heard that Joren's personal website had him claiming that he is a "pimp" and the "roofie king".Has anyone else heard that? Also, does anyone find it strange, that #1, sibling V.van der sloot has a g/f named natalie? And #2, I think it is strange that this "marten" guy shows up in alot of the friends tickle pages that alot of sloot's friends are in..hmm..he's a creepy old dude.Sounds like a pedophile to me...
Thanks to those of you that have responded to me...just trying to fit in, and feeling a little left out.

Edited to add:  I don't remember seeing anything about "roofie king"


That was a good post!! I hope you gave her a warm welcome Klaas :D

Hes a creepy old dude..LOL!! So martin showed up after NH Dissapeared??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?

I think the NE is from S. FLA, Lantana to be exact or used to be.


That's it! Lantana


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:01:31 AM
I wonder who Aruba is considering as a replacement for the guy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 10:01:39 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I have a question.

I am going to alphabetize the WHO'S WHO threads.  Should I use first or last names?

Last names.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Mrs. Red - the guy is Puerto Rican and is in fact an American citizen. Attended school in Maryland and graduated from Cornell with a degree in hotel/travel/restaurant management. (I am not familiar with what those degree programs - but Cornell is THE leading degree program for the hospitality industry.)

Puerto Rico is a US territory ...


Ms. Marple now that you say that, I remembered!  Sorry...  :oops:  I know that PR is and American territory.. the so called 51st state??

Anyway, I do know that the information was forwarded to the family. I don't know what happened after that... and I thought Red did post it on the fp... it's certainly there today... in fact he asked PB if John Mark Karr was up for the children's welfare position....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 10:06:52 AM
I don't consider Puerto Ricans Americans.. sorry if that is offense to some. I consider them American Tax Havenists.

They are only part of America for the tax advantages. They have had several chances to become full fledge citizens but balk at it each time..

If they don't want to be considered Americans, why do so many other force this status upon them?

Also seems to me that when the need arises like with Pesquera, they are all of a sudden Terrortialists -whatever that really means... I guess in their eyes it means that they are entitled to all the same things you are without paying any taxes to the Federal Government and prolly getting a fat Social Security check.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I have a question.

I am going to alphabetize the WHO'S WHO threads.  Should I use first or last names?

Last names.


And from what I've seen in the Aruba phone listings, etc., "van der sloot" would be under "S" ... (for example).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 10:07:24 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?

I think the NE is from S. FLA, Lantana to be exact or used to be.


That's it! Lantana


National Enquirer is published weekly by American Media, Inc., 1 Park Avenue, 3rd Floor, New York, NY 10016,.  Editorial offices located at American Media Inc., 1000 American Media Way, Boca Raton, FL 33464


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I wonder who Aruba is considering as a replacement for the guy.


some ass named Croes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sharon-

I think it's an excellent idea about the tabloids, first one I'd pursue is the NE, are they located in FL?

I think the NE is from S. FLA, Lantana to be exact or used to be.


That's it! Lantana


We used to go to their Christmas display - largest toy train exhibition - just unbelievable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 10:11:54 AM
OK, last names it is and with the "S" for vd Sloot. Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 10:13:59 AM
Sounds like Julia's crap has made it to Fox....

Something like - STARTLING NEW TWIST IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE -TONIGHT WITH WHORELDO

[/i]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I don't consider Puerto Ricans Americans.. sorry if that is offense to some. I consider them American Tax Havenists.

They are only part of America for the tax advantages. They have had several chances to become full fledge citizens but balk at it each time..

If they don't want to be considered Americans, why do so many other force this status upon them?

Also seems to me that when the need arises like with Pesquera, they are all of a sudden Terrortialists -whatever that really means... I guess in their eyes it means that they are entitled to all the same things you are without paying any taxes to the Federal Government and prolly getting a fat Social Security check.


Well, re. the "territory" - this goes back a long way, to a different historic era. At the time, PR was desirable in terms of geography for military or defense reasons. We have other territories for the same reason.

At one time, Hawaii and Alaska were territories. Hawaii was not a state when Pearl Harbor was bombed (for you youngsters who were not too fond of history), but we had that base because Hawaii was a territory. It was part of our Pacific string ...

I suspect that there are mixed feelings about this among the residents of the territories, too ... and even those in Hawaii and Alaska.

List of US Territories here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108295.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
OK, last names it is and with the "S" for vd Sloot. Thanks.


Should I do "van der STRAATEN, Jan, "

or "STRAATEN, Jan van der"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 10:21:01 AM
msmarple- Guam is a territory also, yet I don't think many consider that more than a military base.

And I seriously doubt that anyone considers Guamamians (LOL) to be Americans.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Sounds like Julia's crap has made it to Fox....

Something like - STARTLING NEW TWIST IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE -TONIGHT WITH WHORELDO

[/i]


Sounds like another one of those Fox exclusives that the rest of the world has known about for months.   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
msmarples- my father owned hotels and he sent me to Cornell's summer program for two summers, he was praying I would like that industry and come work for him post college. I did not choose that path but I can also tell you it is the standard for those in hospitality, but it also does not require rocket scientist brains to gain entry into that program.

It also isn't a field the 'top students' in our nation often pursue for the hours and the demands are so great - worse than consulting  :lol:


There's definitely a paradox about the hospitality industry. Most people (even those IN the business) say that it's a sleazy business. And yet, it's the "hospitality" industry ... it is a field that requires a lot of labor, very demanding.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 10:25:57 AM
Just posted on the front page of SM:

Mohican

I perceive that this move could only mean one of two things:

• Pesquera’s contract was not renewed, because his Meet Aruba program was a flop.

• Pesquera knows that with Aruba’s present situation, the possibilities of palpable success are deam for him, so it’s time to pick up and leave.

Either way, he failed.

Jul 19, 10:02 AM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I wonder who Aruba is considering as a replacement for the guy.


some ass named Croes.


Renfro is probably salivating over that possibility.  She can lie with the best of them and has probably spent at least one night in most of the hotels.   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:32:02 AM
O/T

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to San Francisco
You're gonna meet some gentle people there

For those who come to San Francisco
Summertime will be a love-in there
In the streets of San Francisco
Gentle people with flowers in their hair

All across the nation such a strange vibration
People in motion
There's a whole generation with a new explanation
People in motion people in motion

For those who come to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you come to San Francisco
Summertime will be a love-in there

If you come to San Francisco
Summertime will be a love-in there


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 19, 2007, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Mrs. Red - the guy is Puerto Rican and is in fact an American citizen. Attended school in Maryland and graduated from Cornell with a degree in hotel/travel/restaurant management. (I am not familiar with what those degree programs - but Cornell is THE leading degree program for the hospitality industry.)

Puerto Rico is a US territory ...

I'm behind, but that is the first thing I thought of:

"Jorge Pasquera" is DUTCH?!?!?!?!? :shock:  :)  :D  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 10:38:13 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Sounds like Julia's crap has made it to Fox....

Something like - STARTLING NEW TWIST IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE -TONIGHT WITH WHORELDO

[/i]


Sounds like another one of those Fox exclusives that the rest of the world has known about for months.   :twisted:


I posted on this a little earlier... Geraldo will be on BOR discussing the new twist... I think so far, FOX has been pro family on this one... they have said more than once that it was bunk.... but I personally think BOR doesn't really like women so it will remain to be seen ...mysogisnist is the term that comes to mind.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Mrs. Red - the guy is Puerto Rican and is in fact an American citizen. Attended school in Maryland and graduated from Cornell with a degree in hotel/travel/restaurant management. (I am not familiar with what those degree programs - but Cornell is THE leading degree program for the hospitality industry.)

Puerto Rico is a US territory ...


Ms. Marple now that you say that, I remembered!  Sorry...  :oops:  I know that PR is and American territory.. the so called 51st state??

Anyway, I do know that the information was forwarded to the family. I don't know what happened after that... and I thought Red did post it on the fp... it's certainly there today... in fact he asked PB if John Mark Karr was up for the children's welfare position....


ms. marple I wanted you to see that I answered you...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Sounds like Julia's crap has made it to Fox....

Something like - STARTLING NEW TWIST IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE -TONIGHT WITH WHORELDO

[/i]


Sounds like another one of those Fox exclusives that the rest of the world has known about for months.   :twisted:


I posted on this a little earlier... Geraldo will be on BOR discussing the new twist... I think so far, FOX has been pro family on this one... they have said more than once that it was bunk.... but I personally think BOR doesn't really like women so it will remain to be seen ...mysogisnist is the term that comes to mind.


Only a fool would read that Amigoe article and believe that the FBI, Condoleeza Rice and Dick Cheney were some how interfering in Aruba's investigation, or lack there of.

This BOR thing will probably be just a generalization about young women disappearing unless the government angle got BOR's attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: "wreck"


"Jorge Pasquera" is DUTCH?!?!?!?!? :shock:  :)  :D  :P


Puerto Rican


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 10:46:37 AM
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
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writenow wrote:
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Hi NativeLingo! Welcome back!

Hey, I had just asked if someone from Aruba was on. Is it possible Lorenzo's last name is van Gijn instead of van Rijn?


I don't know writenow, I've heard about the guy, but I don't know the lastname....
Like I posted yesterday, this guy "Lorenzo" was the first person that I heard that was related to the case from the very beginning....
He's a little psycho from what I hear....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 10:46:40 AM
KLAAS - will you email me?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
I will have to see what they have come up with...I would love for BOR to know that PB just hired Jorge to add to whatever else they have to say... I think that I am going to email that little info now and ask how anyone is looking out for us when this kind of garbage is allowed to go on.... so what if nothing comes of it, I tried at least... ya know?/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
KLAAS - will you email me?


I've got so many email addresses now I'll never find yours.  Email me at smklaasend@hotmail.com

If you are asking about the "redo" of your threads, if you post the new, I'll replace the old with the new for you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 10:51:33 AM
I sent BOR the Amigoe article and the video as soon as they were aired.  That was weeks ago.  Maybe numbers would get their attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 10:53:51 AM
arubagirl
Monkey Junkey

Joined: 13 Jun 2005

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About scholarship to UCF. Every Aruban gets a scholarship to get in-state tuition (which makes school 4 times cheaper) if he / she can keep up a 3.0 GPA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 10:56:58 AM
WOW Klaas, that's a huge incentive at UCF  :shock: for non-US residents??

That just means UCF is culling the tax credits available by upping their diversity ratio  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 10:58:58 AM
oh and the federal grants and loans and additional monies for educational institutions that high diversity ratios can qualify UCF for !!  :roll:

glad to know we're funding Arubans to attend college here for equal in-state tuition we can pay to send our own children ?  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I sent BOR the Amigoe article and the video as soon as they were aired.  That was weeks ago.  Maybe numbers would get their attention.


I agree Easy, they actually do read email and also the day of broadcasts, so numbers is a very good idea


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
msmarples- my father owned hotels and he sent me to Cornell's summer program for two summers, he was praying I would like that industry and come work for him post college. I did not choose that path but I can also tell you it is the standard for those in hospitality, but it also does not require rocket scientist brains to gain entry into that program.

It also isn't a field the 'top students' in our nation often pursue for the hours and the demands are so great - worse than consulting  :lol:


There's definitely a paradox about the hospitality industry. Most people (even those IN the business) say that it's a sleazy business. And yet, it's the "hospitality" industry ... it is a field that requires a lot of labor, very demanding.


msmarples-

This will likely be an unpopular comment but......the main reason I did not go into the hotel biz was because at the tender ages of 19 and 20, the other hotel managers I met at Cornell for the summer program were often just as sleazy as one could imagine. In fact I had to complain about several who were married, who banged on my door at night often, begging to be let in? I would have died first......at the time it was very traumatic for me too, to feel 'hunted' by those idiots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 11:03:22 AM
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
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The way I heard they are treating the 3 suspects, combined with their age, etc. They should have cracked by now, unless:

1. They are innocent
2. They are guilty, but have been coached well...afterall there is NO body....
3. They are very affraid of someone (not the law)

Question is...which of the 3??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
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The way this Renee guy was killed today was not ordinary...It was a message......
QUestion ....is to whom????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Sounds like Julia's crap has made it to Fox....

Something like - STARTLING NEW TWIST IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE -TONIGHT WITH WHORELDO

[/i]


Sounds like another one of those Fox exclusives that the rest of the world has known about for months.   :twisted:


Yeppers, I am sure of it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
msmarple- Guam is a territory also, yet I don't think many consider that more than a military base.

And I seriously doubt that anyone considers Guamamians (LOL) to be Americans.


Had "something bad happened" to Natalee at --

American Samoa
Federated States of Micronesia
Guam
Midway Islands
Puerto Rico
U.S. Virgin Islands

-- I am pretty sure the F.B.I. would have handled the investigation and we wouldn't be here today ...

Regardless of who likes what, they are U.S. citizens - they send delegates to the political conventions, they vote, they pay taxes, are subject to U.S. federal laws, and were required to set up local constitutions and governments similar to U.S. states.

I *think* the MB graduating class went to U.S. Virgin Islands in 2006; I don't know about 2007.

Having said that, my reaction to this West Palm Beach situation is based solely on what I believe was AHTA's participation in the disinformation campaign, and the trash-the-victim (and her family) strategy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 11:22:14 AM
richandfamous

Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Location: Northern Arizona
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Hello, new here. Been reading Scared Monkeys since Natalie went missing. So sad. Kids aren't safe anyplace these days. I'm starting to sound like my mother...eek!

My thoughts: All these rumors and leaks are just a red herring and staged by the powers that be in Aruba to take the perception of Natalie being alive and in another country. If they have it their way...Natalie will never be found but there will always be the idea that she is alive and someplace else and that takes the heat off Aruba. I believe she was with the three boys and something went wrong and she ended up dead. Now they are covering their a$$ and so are the officials. That is the simplest scenario and the one that fits.
Sad for her family and friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"

Ms. Marple now that you say that, I remembered!  Sorry...  :oops:  I know that PR is and American territory.. the so called 51st state??

Anyway, I do know that the information was forwarded to the family. I don't know what happened after that... and I thought Red did post it on the fp... it's certainly there today... in fact he asked PB if John Mark Karr was up for the children's welfare position....



That's sort of the perplexing part Mrs R.

The 'so called 51st' state that continually and consistently votes against really becoming the 51st state.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 11:24:42 AM
Mrs. Red - Yes, I did see your post.  :wink:

But I do think today's FP article is too late. Sounds like the offer has been made. If WPB rescinds the offer, they'll probably have to pay him some big bucks, or get sued, or something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
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The way I heard they are treating the 3 suspects, combined with their age, etc. They should have cracked by now, unless:

1. They are innocent
2. They are guilty, but have been coached well...afterall there is NO body....
3. They are very affraid of someone (not the law)

Question is...which of the 3??


well I'll bite  :lol:

NOT #1  :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 11:25:18 AM
klaasend
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: "shakey" SoCal
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Rob wrote:
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papa vd sloot appears at least to me.. to be someone who would go to any length to protect joran.. anyone else got that impression...?


I think the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
medleyrelay


Joined: 17 Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh,Pa.
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Everyone that is ever dealing with the police in any country whether they are innocent or guilty should LAWYER UP!! From some very personal experience of family and friends - I have seen first hand how manipulative, disengenuious and unethical some police can be - it would be nice to think that you can trust the police - but it is not necessarily true and anyone in any potential dangerous situation should always lawyer up!

Who knows whether Joran and the brothers are telling the truth - since we have no idea what anyone is saying at all - we should all sit back and go with innocent til proven guilty - this whole case seems like it is much bigger than these 3 young men and they might vrey well be fearing for their lives!

No doubt  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 11:29:52 AM
KLAAS - you have mail


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
OK, last names it is and with the "S" for vd Sloot. Thanks.


Should I do "van der STRAATEN, Jan, "

or "STRAATEN, Jan van der"?

Highlighted in Red is my choice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
OK, last names it is and with the "S" for vd Sloot. Thanks.


Should I do "van der STRAATEN, Jan, "

or "STRAATEN, Jan van der"?

Highlighted in Red is my choice.


SunFreak - that's another example. The "van der" (or whatever preposition & adjective) should not be the basis of an alpha listing. Use the LAST PART of the name. I remember "discovering" this when I looked up names in the Aruba phone book. Just something I had not run across before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 11:57:14 AM
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 11:59:58 AM
O/T again, so sorry will be brief.

BHAMWHINYMOM - you obviously do not 'get it' yet. I never made any such post about leaving my children anywhere or anytime. Keep it up and you'll be drawn into actions regarding this as well. Either you cannot read or you don't know how to use a search feature -  go home if you cannot and keep your fingers off the board regarding me or any such outlandish accusations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: Rob
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.[/quote

I have to agree with Easy as well about numbers... I think BOR show get an inbox full of the FP article... i know they won't say where the info comes from but I would like to know who is looking out for us when people who participated in covering up a crime are allowed to get a lucrative job..... I have done my part. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
O/T again, so sorry will be brief.

BHAMWHINYMOM - you obviously do not 'get it' yet. I never made any such post about leaving my children anywhere or anytime. Keep it up and you'll be drawn into actions regarding this as well. Either you cannot read or you don't know how to use a search feature -  go home if you cannot and keep your fingers off the board regarding me or any such outlandish accusations.


not only is comprehension in short supply on some sites... but so is the ability to plain ole read.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 12:02:10 PM
Professor
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Troy, Alabama
 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject:      

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I posted this two hours agao:

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall, or to give false stories and then to change them.)

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

But now I am adding alternative #4.

4. He was involved in a cover-up, or in the disposal of evidence, and so he is not just protecting his son's skin, but his own as well.

Take your pick. But under NONE of these scenarios does he come out as a loving father, driven solely by honorable motives. So, we can put that notion to bed for good.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: mrs. red
Quote from: "Rob"
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.[/quote

I have to agree with Easy as well about numbers... I think BOR show get an inbox full of the FP article... i know they won't say where the info comes from but I would like to know who is looking out for us when people who participated in covering up a crime are allowed to get a lucrative job..... I have done my part. :wink:


my point, and I think it was your's also - it's a fine balancing act when you have a site like SM... you can't always second guess yourself.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:04:18 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.


the other inherent issue is that WPB and this committee cares most about groups or businesses that plan events there as tourism or their tax base of voters and business owners in WPB. With only a week's advance upon McClary's piece regarding this decision, the onus is on the WPB voters to object. Sharon certainly tried but I do think the opinions that could have swayed this decision needed both more time and those identified profiles to have true impact.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 12:04:56 PM
mehill10



Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Gardendale,AL
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i saw this on riehl world view



Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious.......

Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM

interesting might explain why dad is being questioned


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.


Rob - I am not trying to be argumentative, but I'm not sure I understand your post.

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't get the memo about not giving "these cretins any more attention" ... and if the idea is to ignore, why is NOW a FP article, and Mrs. Red emailing BOR?

I wrote a letter, sent an email, and posted on the Comments section of the WPB story of 07/10. Were we not "supposed" to be doing that?

Or am I reading in a different context?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Rob"
Whether or not the FP post is too late or not. I have to agree with what Mrs Red indicated may have been Red's intention ~ not to give these cretins anymore attention...

Don't know if that was Red thinking, but it makes sense to moi...

After two years Google is doing a lot of the work now for us.


the other inherent issue is that WPB and this committee cares most about groups or businesses that plan events there as tourism or their tax base of voters and business owners in WPB. With only a week's advance upon McClary's piece regarding this decision, the onus is on the WPB voters to object. Sharon certainly tried but I do think the opinions that could have swayed this decision needed both more time and those identified profiles to have true impact.


some decisions are made regardless of the impact to the community. Example - We had two referendums on two new stadiums... both times it was voted down... guess what we have two new stadiums and a bill of over 1 billion dollars...

some municipalities seem to seek out controversy instead of running from it.

Which also makes my point that some people can not make it in the private sector where a decision like this one would cost them their livelihoods... so they are governmental... and I mean mental.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:13:36 PM
Mrs- I am going to post this just to drive home a point, all that we see on these cable news shows isn't exactly as it appears to be. I volunteer with a prominent university in career counseling for grad students there. I once assisted a public administration grad student with preparing a package of his credentials in an effort to obtain an internship with BOR two years ago, and coached him in that effort. He secured it, ultimately was offered a permanent position on BOR's staff but decided to move into city government instead.

I emailed him regarding the fund created at RU for Joe T and hope all of you recall BOR's discussion with him regarding that? It wasn't pretty  :lol: I don't think that one email made the difference but later he noted back to me in his discussion with one of BOR's producers around this, the producer noted the numbers of emails received.

So sometimes it does pay to email even if you don't receive the results you want, they actually do read the majority of the emails. I don't always agree with everything BOR states either but.......I do have consummate respect for this young man who worked for him that summer and said in his words "he does try to do the right thing and seems passionate about it" to me privately.

As you said, I too have done my part today  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:15:22 PM
Ms Marple I think you did the right thing... and I just emailed BOR for tonight's show the link to the FP with the question... who is looking out for us? with the gist of my email stating that he helped cover up a murder that the officals stonewalled the investigation ... an American citizen and now he wants to spread his "talent" here in the US...

My point was that BOR won't say anything re where the information was obtained, and he may not use it... indeed the stuff was sent to various media outlets, newspapers etc and they chose not to use it..
but at least I tried.

I think Rob was agreeing and saying that perhaps it is not too late... the front page may not be too late.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 12:16:23 PM
Rob  :lol: mental indeed

I do hope you are right, I do hope it can make a difference, I really do.

Back to work for me, suddenly boss needs nine things six different ways from Sunday but then I like being busy  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
thanks NONE... you hit that nail squarely on the head... and not only that but a job offer could be rescinded if you would harm the position offered instead of enhancing it...couldn't it???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: wreck on July 19, 2007, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Professor
Monkey Junkey


Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Troy, Alabama
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I posted this two hours agao:

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall, or to give false stories and then to change them.)

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

But now I am adding alternative #4.

4. He was involved in a cover-up, or in the disposal of evidence, and so he is not just protecting his son's skin, but his own as well.

Take your pick. But under NONE of these scenarios does he come out as a loving father, driven solely by honorable motives. So, we can put that notion to bed for good.


"Professor" used to be an Excelent poster back in the day at RWV -- I think he got entirely fed up with the idiots posting there as Dan and the Renfro junkies took over. I guess he "gave up."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:21:12 PM
Speaking of emails... NIKE is releasing a MVICK shoe.. I feel the need to write them as well... I guess I need practice writing today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"

Rob - I am not trying to be argumentative, but I'm not sure I understand your post.

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't get the memo about not giving "these cretins any more attention" ... and if the idea is to ignore, why is NOW a FP article, and Mrs. Red emailing BOR?

I wrote a letter, sent an email, and posted on the Comments section of the WPB story of 07/10. Were we not "supposed" to be doing that?

Or am I reading in a different context?


I know you're not trying to argumentative here ms. m...no problem.

last weeks some where questioning why this was not a front page story.. and Mrs Red just simply said that she thought maybe Red didn't want to give them any more attention...

We would really need to get Red's perspective on this... but I am just simply stating that there are always reasons and info that we do not know and sometimes decisions are made for reasons we are unaware...I can handle that because I know that Red is very concerned about Natalee, Dave and Beth...

maybe Red has had a change of heart.... but my next point was that you can't always second guess yourself. So what I am saying is that although it's an important side story and important for the people of PB, it doesn't really effect the rest of us like travel to Aruba could.

I agree that no one should be rewarding Pesquera for all this bad behavior, but to me this is a not quite as important as a FP on a new missing person or the corruption inside the Aruban Government.

As for emailing BOR it is important that if this story goes National, which it now seem, there needs to be a counter balance to the spin that is coming.

As I have said in the past, sometimes it's better not to even do some of these stories because then MSM screws them up and casts blame upon the victim.

I prolly just confused you even more...LOL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Speaking of emails... NIKE is releasing a MVICK shoe.. I feel the need to write them as well... I guess I need practice writing today.


a good name for that shoe would be THE ELECTRIC DOG BONE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Speaking of emails... NIKE is releasing a MVICK shoe.. I feel the need to write them as well... I guess I need practice writing today.


a good name for that shoe would be THE ELECTRIC DOG BONE.


rob ... that's terrible. :cry:   I am so incensed over what he did and they are reporting it's big business in urban areas.. Lord forgive us because we are failing our children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Speaking of emails... NIKE is releasing a MVICK shoe.. I feel the need to write them as well... I guess I need practice writing today.


a good name for that shoe would be THE ELECTRIC DOG BONE.


rob ... that's terrible. :cry:   I am so incensed over what he did and they are reporting it's big business in urban areas.. Lord forgive us because we are failing our children.


I have no sympathy for Michael Vick. He's a terrible person. The sad thing is more kids will some how look up to him now that he's a real trouble maker and an animal abuser.

It's a sick world. That's why I'm packin'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:37:24 PM
Rob,

exactly. that is why I say Lord forgive us because we are failing our children.

at some point it became in vouge to be a evil, rotten person... bad behavior is rewarded constantly... although I did just hear that several companies have yanked his endorsement deals... already.   I say good! Money may be the only damn thing that talks... it's why boycotts of advertisers, and islands that cover up crime eventually work ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frank on July 19, 2007, 12:37:34 PM
Dave Holloway needs to be on BOR. He'll handle the story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.


me too... I would like to see who was passed over and what their qualifications were.

If everyone went to the local public college, I might agree, but somehow I think there were some very qualified individuals over looked for shear political back slappin'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.


Yep, me too.  But I am one to go kicking and screaming.. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Speaking of emails... NIKE is releasing a MVICK shoe.. I feel the need to write them as well... I guess I need practice writing today.


a good name for that shoe would be THE ELECTRIC DOG BONE.


rob ... that's terrible. :cry:   I am so incensed over what he did and they are reporting it's big business in urban areas.. Lord forgive us because we are failing our children.


I agree, Mrs. Red. I cannot imagine the attraction of dog fighting for Michael Vick--it isn't as if he needs the money. My husband says he must like the violence, which is sick.

I believe if you do something cruel and heinous like dogfighting (or domestic violence, drug crimes--anything against the law), you should be kicked off the team. There are enough good athletes who would LOVE to take Vick's job. I know the arguement is that the quality of the game would suffer, but if there were a zero tolerance policy in professional sports, I believe the best athletes would rise to the occasion and follow the rules.

The thing I like about sports on a Little League, high school, and sometimes college level is that there's a moral authroity--break the rules and you're off the team. It seems that, on those levels, coaches are often  the only respected moral authority anymore, the only people who can declare some behavior unacceptable. I say what applies to pee wee football should apply to the NFL.

Sorry.../rant.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
BKy.... sadly enough the people that think the game will suffer in this case are oh so wrong...

look at the turmoil Vick brought to that team, he got the coach fired, has alienated a lot of Falcon fans... just can't act human - maybe because he isn't??

The other thing that bothers me is in every case we read about the younger of the predators started out by killing and harming animals... therefore, no life is scared to them... so is this where it is beginning the evil we see?  Look at teens in FL that beat the homeless man, the teens that stole the scooter of the older woman that was reported today... etc... I mean they were reporting that it's a very popular "sport" in urban (read GANG INFESTED) areas... and I did a paper for urban geography back in college on gangs.. shocking stuff... Wish I still had the paper i would print it here for y'all to read...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
Ok.. I know the whole VICk thing is upsetting some people and I don't mean to upset anyone... I just am so upset about it.. and feel helpless because nothing can be done to save those poor dogs ...

but I must drag myself to do actual work...

talk to y'all later...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 19, 2007, 12:50:11 PM
just wanted to say hi to mrs. red and rob.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
just wanted to say hi to mrs. red and rob.....


hey sweetie.... what's shakin' ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
BKy.... sadly enough the people that think the game will suffer in this case are oh so wrong...

look at the turmoil Vick brought to that team, he got the coach fired, has alienated a lot of Falcon fans... just can't act human - maybe because he isn't??

The other thing that bothers me is in every case we read about the younger of the predators started out by killing and harming animals... therefore, no life is scared to them... so is this where it is beginning the evil we see?  Look at teens in FL that beat the homeless man, the teens that stole the scooter of the older woman that was reported today... etc... I mean they were reporting that it's a very popular "sport" in urban (read GANG INFESTED) areas... and I did a paper for urban geography back in college on gangs.. shocking stuff... Wish I still had the paper i would print it here for y'all to read...


I wish I could read it, too, Mrs. Red--gang activity fascinates me. (There's an interesting chapter about gang operations and heirarchy in Steven Leavitt's Freakonomics).

I think there's a general lack of respect for life in this country and it's getting worse all the time. I want to believe there are other people like me, who respect the lives and dignity of children (born and unborn) and animals--I know they're out there, but there are a lot of sickos, too. And the cruel people who abuse animals and children are the ones always featured on the news--I guess a family who loves their pet and protects the innocence of their children doesn't make for ratings.

Do you have an e-mail address for Nike? I'd like to voice my displeasure, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on July 19, 2007, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
just wanted to say hi to mrs. red and rob.....


hey sweetie.... what's shakin' ??


r we O/T????

i am gettin booted off library computer soon.....still have friggin pneumonia..have to take it easy for 6-8 weeks..found mold in condo bath wall..nice....that must be helping w/ all the humidity here lately....hope u and red are well....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:55:05 PM
I will post that later.. I haven't even researched for it yet I was just thinking ...

I have got to get busy but I will be in later...and I will post the email address in the lounge.

BBL.. keep the faith monkeys!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
FOM... go to mom's house and rest and get better!

you know we love ya!!

Hate to run but gotta!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
just wanted to say hi to mrs. red and rob.....


say CHEESE!!!  :lol:

Mrs Red- I thought the younger Vick was the problem child... HA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:05:08 PM
Michael22



Joined: 14 Jun 2005

 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject:      

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'official' physchic reading on june 4th, 2005

http://www.mythforlife.com/predictions.html



The psychic reading:

Reading  6/04/05
I preface this reading by saying that the
correct use of resources to ask at least
four psychics to read and then look for
similarities in their readings. I am not
always right but have a high degree of
correct readings.


Q: I would like to do a reading on the
disappearance of Natalee Holloway on
the island of Aruba.  Please give me
something to bring some closure for
those who are grieving.

These girls freeing summer fun turned
tragic when Natalee made a grievous
error in judgment that ultimately cost her
life...Natalee wanted to meet some new
people and went with a handsome-
enough local man to a party away from
the group.  When she received the
invitation, she was surprised and
honored (flattered) to be selected as
she had previously experienced
damage to her self esteem at the
competitive high school filled with
attractive girls.

She wanted to belong but never quite
did although her family perceived her to
be popular and wanted/stressed that
she should be... So that night she had a
drink and felt uninhibited.  When asked
to leave with a promise to return before
the others left the bar, she accepted.
She immediately knew she had made a
mistake in getting in the small car
(maybe an older Toyota-looking car).

Two other men came along and that
frightened her.  They drove left after
exiting the bar through the town and
began the ascent on a hilly, curving
street.  They arrived at a nice house that
overlooks the town to a certain degree
(not too high). It is owned by a white
male, possibly American or European.
They tried to regain her trust and put on
an atmosphere of innocent fun and a
party.  She was drugged with a local
ecstasy substitute.  The other men left
and she hardly noticed.  

The white male repeated raped and
sodomized her.  She was innocent to
some of this and became hysterical.  
She was so out of control that he
strangled her with his bare hands.  He
called an employee at about 3:30AM.

The young, short male (a local) in a red
tee shirt and tan shorts arrived at 4:
20AM to get rid of the body.  Her naked
body was wrapped in a blanket and put
in his car. The white male was so
confident he would not be caught; her
clothes were put in the local trash bin for
pick up.  

So Natalee was taken on the fishing
boat out to sea.  The young male
navigated the marina and then drove at
about 35 mph for 32 minutes straight
out to sea from the marina.  He
weighted the body with techniques
known by fisherman (sewing through
the bone above the wrist??) and pushed
it overboard.  

Her body floats in the water not so deep
that it is dark but more of a mid to light
place. Natalee has found some peace
after the traumatic act.  She is deeply
regretful about the agony it is causing
everyone (especially her mother) but
what is done is done.  Her body may
never be found.

That is it for this case.

 


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 01:05:40 PM
Need to run to the store, BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NativeLingo

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject:      

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The way I heard they are treating the 3 suspects, combined with their age, etc. They should have cracked by now, unless:

1. They are innocent
2. They are guilty, but have been coached well...afterall there is NO body....
3. They are very affraid of someone (not the law)

Question is...which of the 3??


well I'll bite  :lol:

NOT #1  :!:



Me tooooooo!! #2 AND #3, that is my vote and I am sticking with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.

Unfortunatey there are too many Pesquera's from Puerto Rico to try to find the connection :lol:

There's Carlos Pesquera, who was or is secretary of transportation for the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

There's Hector M. Pesquera, Special Agent in Charge at the FBI who I believe was born in Puerto Rico.

I wonder if either is related to Jorge?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
Dave Holloway needs to be on BOR. He'll handle the story.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

A very pleasant thought  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.


Make me three, this was my first thought post hearing about the possible hire, who does he know well on that hiring panel/board? Someone I suspect and from a networking angle, he should build relationships and his type always do, even in the worst ways. Likely safe to say he's the type to step on top of someone to elevate himself, chance is at least equal as per his lack of integrity regarding the ethics of what has happened with this case in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
By the time the PBC article came to the forefront it was too late to do much about the selection process.  Disappearing comments on the internet probably did little to provoke discussion.  Now, if there are any political watchdog groups in the area, those are the ones to contact and put on alert.

The whole thing comes across as if the fix was in from the beginning and chances are there is a reason for that.


I agree Easy.


Make me three, this was my first thought post hearing about the possible hire, who does he know well on that hiring panel/board? Someone I suspect and from a networking angle, he should build relationships and his type always do, even in the worst ways. Likely safe to say he's the type to step on top of someone to elevate himself, chance is at least equal as per his lack of integrity regarding the ethics of what has happened with this case in Aruba.

To me it's who you know not what you know.  Just like Ernesto Arambatzis – Freddy’s older brother who works in the South Beach area of Miami, FL.  He once said something like in order to survive in this type of business you have to know people and he knows people.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 01:56:04 PM
San you are exactly right, it is a 'tight' industry and you will see exec shift from one to the other, it's like they constantly eat at the same plate but with a change in menu  :lol:

I see that in other industries too, not just hospitality but I also think the standards in hospitality are not as high as others......hence the Cornell degree carrying SO much weight  :lol:

Ernesto sure brings it all into perspective doesn't he?  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you are exactly right, it is a 'tight' industry and you will see exec shift from one to the other, it's like they constantly eat at the same plate but with a change in menu  :lol:

I see that in other industries too, not just hospitality but I also think the standards in hospitality are not as high as others......hence the Cornell degree carrying SO much weight  :lol:

Ernesto sure brings it all into perspective doesn't he?  :roll:

That whole family is evil.  Notice that their father wasn't going to stand up for Paulus' crap and was the one who got up from the meeting to leave.  How come Paulus couldn't keep him there.  Because Paulus is afraid of that family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 02:02:28 PM
Many times I have seen agencies do the “national search” routine and then a few months later someone happens to be found that is a cousin, brother-in-law, neighbor or connected in some manner to some decision maker.  It is so common that most people in the know immediately ask if an advertised position is for real, or if someone has already been chosen for the position.

Ain't nuttin' new about that game.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 19, 2007, 02:19:41 PM
I note that the people who hurt animals,etc have a special catagory,like joran,IIRC.I think that is a classic sign of Sociopaths.I hope I am not being to strong,but here it is a felony.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 19, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
If I offend,to bad,but we need to stop these pampered jerks,who think they have a different standard to live by,or too.This what the problem in aruba is about,and Vick.And so many others,we must put down these creatures when we find them,or lock them up,forever


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 02:34:30 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 19, 2007, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
If I offend,to bad,but we need to stop these pampered jerks,who think they have a different standard to live by,or too.This what the problem in aruba is about,and Vick.And so many others,we must put down these creatures when we find them,or lock them up,forever

I volunteer my services.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 02:36:52 PM
I don't know how much shocking I can handle.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Frank on July 19, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
I went to O'Reilly's site and wrote him that he better have done his homework or have Dave or Jossy on. Geraldo has always been on Natalee's side and has stated he believe Joran is guilty. I hope they don't drop Natalee on the beach, again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Sue on July 19, 2007, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


I am quite sure he will talk about the so called ransom and crap we already know.. the only difference will be Bill doesnt believe those little
bastards and says it clearly


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 19, 2007, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


I am quite sure he will talk about the so called ransom and crap we already know.. the only difference will be Bill doesnt believe those little bastards and says it clearly


Probably a mixture of the medjet-ransom story with a bit on the upcoming ocean search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 19, 2007, 03:00:01 PM
Has anyone ever gone to this site http://tinyurl.com/4kvex
 and put in a name, just any old name like Renfro or something like that.

It's for Palm Beach, FL btw.

hmmmmmmmmm

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 19, 2007, 03:00:58 PM
Hi friends... :D

This is OT but important....Rare Botulism Recall....put up in Lounge...but want you to know...


http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/8598917.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 19, 2007, 03:03:59 PM
[quote="BlueKYGirl
snip>>
The thing I like about sports on a Little League, high school, and sometimes college level is that there's a moral authroity--break the rules and you're off the team. It seems that, on those levels, coaches are often  the only respected moral authority anymore, the only people who can declare some behavior unacceptable. I say what applies to pee wee football should apply to the NFL.

Sorry.../rant.[/quote]


I agree with you 100%    I work with our Varsity football team.  They don't pull crap like this.  They have the highest respect for their coaches and fellow teammates.  If they did behave like Vick did, they'd be off the team permanently.

ps.  I left you a message in the lounge football thread.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 19, 2007, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
If I offend,to bad,but we need to stop these pampered jerks,who think they have a different standard to live by,or too.This what the problem in aruba is about,and Vick.And so many others,we must put down these creatures when we find them,or lock them up,forever


Vick needs a taste of his own medicine.  Toss his sorry a$$ to those poor dogs :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
[quote="BlueKYGirl
snip>>
The thing I like about sports on a Little League, high school, and sometimes college level is that there's a moral authroity--break the rules and you're off the team. It seems that, on those levels, coaches are often  the only respected moral authority anymore, the only people who can declare some behavior unacceptable. I say what applies to pee wee football should apply to the NFL.

Sorry.../rant.



I agree with you 100%    I work with our Varsity football team.  They don't pull crap like this.  They have the highest respect for their coaches and fellow teammates.  If they did behave like Vick did, they'd be off the team permanently.

ps.  I left you a message in the lounge football thread.[/quote]

Great--I've never been to that thread before today but I'm sure I'll be back (especially with football season imminent).

I think team sports are GREAT at teaching kids valuable life lessons, like how to deal with others, play fair, follow rules, and win or lose graciously. Children and teens learn these lessons from their coaches, but then they see famous athletes acting like this, and it's a mixed message. Vick needs consequences.

(Can you tell I'm an aspiring Little League mom, if this child is a boy? Or a girl, I guess--as long as she chooses sports that she can play with a bow in her hair).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.

They are going to talk about Dompig and the article where he said it was the FBI's fault.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 03:14:33 PM
Am I the only one who's just a little excited about the O'Reilly Factor tonight? I know I'm naive...there's never any new info. Maybe I just find it encouraging to see continuing media coverage of the case.

Every night I hope Greta will mention it, but to my dismay it's always the Chris Benoit steroids controversy (a discussion I don't care about because there's little doubt in my mind that steroids were what led to the tragedy).

Anyway, I'm hopeful Bill and Geraldo will have some new info.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 19, 2007, 03:14:44 PM
One thing that really bothers me about this case.

Take the evidence and statements given by the three boys and their friends about NH falling on the beach, and unable to get up. Consider also, the admission that Joran was having sex with the girl, in the car, while she was falling in and out of consiousness. Consider the tale about her falling and hitting her head. Consider the lies about her being dropped off at the Holiday Inn when that alibi could only work if Natalee could never be found to refute it.

Now, if all that evidence had been given against the black security guards, they would have been tried, convicted, and serving jail time. Seems like the scales of justice take alot more weight when a Dutch  lawyers son is involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.

They are going to talk about Dompig and the article where he said it was the FBI's fault.


I hope BOR gets angry about it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Am I the only one who's just a little excited about the O'Reilly Factor tonight? I know I'm naive...there's never any new info. Maybe I just find it encouraging to see continuing media coverage of the case.

Every night I hope Greta will mention it, but to my dismay it's always the Chris Benoit steroids controversy (a discussion I don't care about because there's little doubt in my mind that steroids were what led to the tragedy).

Anyway, I'm hopeful Bill and Geraldo will have some new info.


I will be tuned in.  I just hope it is more that a two minute recap of the Amigoe article.  People need to know about this and they should be outraged that Aruba wants to blame the family and out government instead of doing the right thing!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 19, 2007, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.

They are going to talk about Dompig and the article where he said it was the FBI's fault.


They are going to talk about how well Dompig & Satish are doing in medical school.!  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Mere on July 19, 2007, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Am I the only one who's just a little excited about the O'Reilly Factor tonight? I know I'm naive...there's never any new info. Maybe I just find it encouraging to see continuing media coverage of the case.

Every night I hope Greta will mention it, but to my dismay it's always the Chris Benoit steroids controversy (a discussion I don't care about because there's little doubt in my mind that steroids were what led to the tragedy).

Anyway, I'm hopeful Bill and Geraldo will have some new info.


I may be naive also...but I get my hopes up everytime the story is on.
Geraldo was in Aruba early on....he knows....Greta was there...she knows.
Maybe they are afraid of something...wonder what...???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 03:26:36 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.

we'll need to wait and see... if they do, we'll be up all nite again - doing what we DO!

I don't like the sound of this intro!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2007, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: "Sue"


I am quite sure he will talk about the so called ransom and crap we already know.. the only difference will be Bill doesnt believe those little
bastards and says it clearly


I sincerely hope so Sue.

I fear that FOX has been either compensated or intimated with threat of legal action in regards to TV hosts implying that a corrupt Aruban investigatin is denying Natalee Holloway justice.  I contend that this reasoning accounts for the changing position of Greta in regards to this topic.

When Arubans protested CNN coverage as pertained to the Nancy Grace show ... CNN backed off.  Nancy Grace is very silent on the Natalee Holloway case and ... Larry King who had always agreed with the family members when they appeared on his show regarding the roller coaster ride from H--- that Aruba was forcing them to ride ... now contends that Natalee Holloway is one of many missing persons and ... too much is being made of it.

Janet


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN - WHAT CHANGED??

The O'Reilly Factor
December 7, 2005


O’REILLY:  The thesis of the article again is that the Holloway family impeded the investigation. Are you buying that?

VAN SUSTEREN: I must admit that I find it rather weak on the part of the police department in Aruba to say that, look, police are supposed to take a lot of emotion from families in the course of investigations because families are very emotional.

And the sort of the whole idea that the — Natalee’s family pressured them into the arrest of Deepak, Satish and Joran, how do they explain the earlier arrests of the two blacks? Who pressured them into that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 03:34:00 PM
by the way - Grande has been crunchin the bejeezus outta the Paige Birgfeld case and we have a new post on it and some other info available... looks like an arrest could be made soon... it's all on my site if anyone is interested...

Grande ROX!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BOR-Natalee2.jpg)


What could be shocking about any of this at this stage?  Did Greta get scooped by Geraldo?

I think Fox is pulling one on us once again.

we'll need to wait and see... if they do, we'll be up all nite again - doing what we DO!

I don't like the sound of this intro!


Was it last week that Greta had an intro that had everyone bothered?  Something to do with the family will not like this...?  Fox is real bad with the tease and even worse about delivering.

Yep, I will be watching right along with everyone else.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 03:41:52 PM
Just a quick question of anyone who knows - has BOR done negative reports on the case in the past? Honestly I don't remember one but I agree about the teasers Easy, they jerk our chain  :? and of course we tune in right?

marketing  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 03:44:15 PM
I think Dana needs to have BOR on the Monkey Air-Waves.

Interview the interviewer!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 03:44:39 PM
Tamikosmom? I guess I was posting as yours was coming through, so you think BOR is going to slam Natalee?

I guess I just want to make sure I have all the info........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 03:44:47 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Just a quick question of anyone who knows - has BOR done negative reports on the case in the past? Honestly I don't remember one but I agree about the teasers Easy, they jerk our chain  :? and of course we tune in right?

marketing  :lol:


I don't recall BOR ever doing a negative report.  In fact, I remember him telling Beth that he would help in any way possible.  He is not going to buy this FBI farce coming out of Dompig.  The Renfro thing might be more interesting, but there are so many holes in that story.  Hmmmmm.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2007, 03:48:19 PM
Wasn't it Geraldo that was in Aruba very early in the investigation, and discovered some new information pretty quickly, or his brother did?  What was that?  He is familiar with the case and what was going on early on.  Is he going to be on BOR?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 03:51:04 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
I have to miss the first O'Reilly--hope y'all will still be here discussing when I watch the later airing!

(This is the price I pay for being a social butterfly).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
My hope is and I guess it really is just hope.... but what if he exposes that diabolical scheme by Renho?  Now that would lite what's left of her panties on fire.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I have to miss the first O'Reilly--hope y'all will still be here discussing when I watch the later airing!

(This is the price I pay for being a social butterfly).


I requested that Carpe capture it.. So I hope he does...and if so, I'll post that video at my site for those unable to watch it tonight...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
My hope is and I guess it really is just hope.... but what if he exposes that diabolical scheme by Renho?  Now that would lite what's left of her panties on fire.  :lol:


isn't her hair already on fire?  :shock: sure looks askew all the time  :lol:

AZSunny-

I think Geraldo was even with Dave when he went to visit the buddha or see-sayer at the Lion's Club?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 04:01:11 PM
oh please don't anyone take offense at my  posting buddha and see sayer either, no insult intended at all !!!

I can't remember was it just a plain psychic? what was that man referred to in Dave's book as??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I have to miss the first O'Reilly--hope y'all will still be here discussing when I watch the later airing!

(This is the price I pay for being a social butterfly).


I requested that Carpe capture it.. So I hope he does...and if so, I'll post that video at my site for those unable to watch it tonight...


Oh great--I should be back in time for the late re-run of O'Reilly...but it's good to know I have a backup just in case. You never know when one of these ice cream socials is going to turn into an all-night bender.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 19, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
One thing that really bothers me about this case.

Take the evidence and statements given by the three boys and their friends about NH falling on the beach, and unable to get up. Consider also, the admission that Joran was having sex with the girl, in the car, while she was falling in and out of consiousness. Consider the tale about her falling and hitting her head. Consider the lies about her being dropped off at the Holiday Inn when that alibi could only work if Natalee could never be found to refute it.

Now, if all that evidence had been given against the black security guards, they would have been tried, convicted, and serving jail time. Seems like the scales of justice take alot more weight when a Dutch  lawyers son is involved.


Spock - Good point about the recurring suggestion that she was having problems .

And of course the HI story has been the biggest LOAD ALERT of all (Thank You, Robots!) - because they knew she could not contradict that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2007, 04:07:44 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Tamikosmom? I guess I was posting as yours was coming through, so you think BOR is going to slam Natalee?

I guess I just want to make sure I have all the info........


No ... I do not think that he would go that far.  I am just skeptical concerning what extend he will go to uphold Natalee's family or ... contend that a corrupt investigation is denying an American citizen justice if there a gag has been put in place by the network.

Geraldo and OReilly have alway upheld the family in the past but ... have been silent for many months in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.

None ... I hope I am wrong.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 04:09:44 PM
Tamikosmom- I think we all share your concern and hope BOR and Geraldo do something, anything to advance the corruption at play here.

It is hard not to be skeptical.......I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2007, 04:11:54 PM
It's a good thing it wasn't Bob Costa's that is going to do a show with Natalee Holloway.  Do ya'll remember this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9013040/

Costas refuses to host show about Holloway


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Tamikosmom? I guess I was posting as yours was coming through, so you think BOR is going to slam Natalee?

I guess I just want to make sure I have all the info........


No ... I do not think that he would go that far.  I am just skeptical concerning what extend he will go to uphold Natalee's family or ... contend that a corrupt investigation is denying an American citizen justice if there a gag has been put in place by the network.

Geraldo and OReilly have alway upheld the family in the past but ... have been silent for many months in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.

None ... I hope I am wrong.

Janet


When Joran's book first came out Geraldo did about five minutes on it and said by all accounts it should be in the fiction section of the book store.  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Just a quick question of anyone who knows - has BOR done negative reports on the case in the past? Honestly I don't remember one but I agree about the teasers Easy, they jerk our chain  :? and of course we tune in right?

marketing  :lol:


He has on occassion mentioned that Natalee shouldn't have gotten into the car that it was bad judgment.  He usually blasts Aruba for the cover-up though.  To be fair, he usually states that he finds it amazing that another country impeded the investigation and refused to do the right thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I have to miss the first O'Reilly--hope y'all will still be here discussing when I watch the later airing!

(This is the price I pay for being a social butterfly).


I requested that Carpe capture it.. So I hope he does...and if so, I'll post that video at my site for those unable to watch it tonight...



Carpe usually shares here too! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
It's a good thing it wasn't Bob Costa's that is going to do a show with Natalee Holloway.  Do ya'll remember this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9013040/

Costas refuses to host show about Holloway


I do.. I remember... I also remember that Michelle Malkin, one of BOR's favorite minions hates the story, calls it Pretty White Girl Missing Syndrome.... and disdains any coverage of the story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2007, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh please don't anyone take offense at my  posting buddha and see sayer either, no insult intended at all !!!

I can't remember was it just a plain psychic? what was that man referred to in Dave's book as??


He introduced himself as a doctor and a Buddhist medium (looked like he was from India)
Dave's book pg. 49-51


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I have to miss the first O'Reilly--hope y'all will still be here discussing when I watch the later airing!

(This is the price I pay for being a social butterfly).


I requested that Carpe capture it.. So I hope he does...and if so, I'll post that video at my site for those unable to watch it tonight...



Carpe usually shares here too! :lol:


Ofcourse. I have an index on there so it just might be easier to find the videos there....either way works...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
I get a little tired of TV people telling me what I should, or should not be interested in.  And, I bet every time one of these cable shows does a segment about Natalee their ratings spike.  It is a very captivating story and many people are still hoping for some type of conclusion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
Easy, it's no different than advertising now and also linked to their advertising dollars........just suck us in and sway our opinions  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Easy, it's no different than advertising now and also linked to their advertising dollars........just suck us in and sway our opinions  :lol:


So true, I worked for quite some time in the marketing arena.  I have to say that one company started with babies at 6 months old to gain "customer brand loyalty".


Think money doesn't talk?  They pulled the release of the Vick sneaker...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Easy, it's no different than advertising now and also linked to their advertising dollars........just suck us in and sway our opinions  :lol:


So true, I worked for quite some time in the marketing arena.  I have to say that one company started with babies at 6 months old to gain "customer brand loyalty".


Think money doesn't talk?  They pulled the release of the Vick sneaker...


That's great, Mrs. Red--I know it was my letter to Nike that did it! (And YOU were the one who inspired me!)

If you're interested in corporations marketing to children and babies (yes, newborns!) you should read Buy Buy Baby by Susan Gregory Thomas--a very insightful book about the lengths companies go to to get the youngest customers (and their parents) interested in their products.

Basically it says that it's taboo to market from anything other than an educational perspective, so they pitch something as educational but put a picture of say Elmo on it, the child learns to recognize the characters, and voila...the next thing you know the kid wants Elmo pull-ups, etc. It's a great book.

Sorry o/t.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:49:06 PM
Thx Blue, Isaw that you found the link and put it in the football page in the lounge, I just sent them a letter as well.  They aren't pulling all Vick products yet, but they are not releasing the shoe.  It's a start.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 04:49:37 PM
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: sharon on July 19, 2007, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Wasn't it Geraldo that was in Aruba very early in the investigation, and discovered some new information pretty quickly, or his brother did?  What was that?  He is familiar with the case and what was going on early on.  Is he going to be on BOR?


iirc -- Geraldo mentioned something about a video tape and underage girls. I don't remember if he made the Freddy connection.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Wasn't it Geraldo that was in Aruba very early in the investigation, and discovered some new information pretty quickly, or his brother did?  What was that?  He is familiar with the case and what was going on early on.  Is he going to be on BOR?


iirc -- Geraldo mentioned something about a video tape and underage girls. I don't remember if he made the Freddy connection.

I remember that, and everyone laughed at him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 19, 2007, 04:52:43 PM
ho Monks...just checking in to see what's up...will go back now and  read!!  Catch ya when I get caught up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!

Maybe the "twist" is the upcoming TES search?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


O/T again but I heard earlier something about the mechanic in the Paige B.   - was it that he was a sex offender????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks Rob - yes..I've been updating the Madelene thread here when I see news on the case.  Posted something just about an hour ago.

Also in the Paige Birgfeld case, just posted the update of the search of the home in Fruitvale along with the video.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!

Maybe the "twist" is the upcoming TES search?


I wish the twist would be that  they will get to the bottom of it now and give Natalee back...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks, Rob--is there a consensus on the net as to whether Madeleine is alive?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


O/T again but I heard earlier something about the mechanic in the Paige B.   - was it that he was a sex offender????


yes, we are having a little bit of trouble getting his record...but we know he has an aggravated assault charge and a conviction for kidnapping. His name is Lester 'Ralph' Jones.

Looks like this could be the guy. They have a search warrant and the warrant details the evidence against him. LE took a bed-liner and a piece of a bed-liner outta the trash.

His house was searched twice in 6 days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


O/T again but I heard earlier something about the mechanic in the Paige B.   - was it that he was a sex offender????


yes, we are having a little bit of trouble getting his record...but we know he has an aggravated assault charge and a conviction for kidnapping. His name is Lester 'Ralph' Jones.

Looks like this could be the guy. They have a search warrant and the warrant details the evidence against him. LE took a bed-liner and a piece of a bed-liner outta the trash.

His house was searched twice in 6 days.


Hmmm...if it's him, that doesn't sound good for Madeleine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks, Rob--is there a consensus on the net as to whether Madeleine is alive?


BKYG-
No one knows. However, he had a dungeon like thingy under the main house and who has one of those unless they are involved in a molestation scenario?

A body was found in the port last week.. it was not Madeleine but an adult.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:01:23 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


O/T again but I heard earlier something about the mechanic in the Paige B.   - was it that he was a sex offender????


yes, we are having a little bit of trouble getting his record...but we know he has an aggravated assault charge and a conviction for kidnapping. His name is Lester 'Ralph' Jones.

Looks like this could be the guy. They have a search warrant and the warrant details the evidence against him. LE took a bed-liner and a piece of a bed-liner outta the trash.

His house was searched twice in 6 days.


Hmmm...if it's him, that doesn't sound good for Madeleine.


sorry we are talking about two cases... Rob was filling me in on what I missed on the Paige B . case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 05:01:39 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


O/T again but I heard earlier something about the mechanic in the Paige B.   - was it that he was a sex offender????


yes, we are having a little bit of trouble getting his record...but we know he has an aggravated assault charge and a conviction for kidnapping. His name is Lester 'Ralph' Jones.

Looks like this could be the guy. They have a search warrant and the warrant details the evidence against him. LE took a bed-liner and a piece of a bed-liner outta the trash.

His house was searched twice in 6 days.


Hmmm...if it's him, that doesn't sound good for Madeleine.


Sorry, I should have been specific... this was to Mrs. Red regarding Paige. Two different case.. Sorry about that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Spock on July 19, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!

Maybe the "twist" is the upcoming TES search?


Thats what I think, possibly with a mention of the missing cage, knife and rope.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks, Rob--is there a consensus on the net as to whether Madeleine is alive?


BKYG-
No one knows. However, he had a dungeon like thingy under the main house and who has one of those unless they are involved in a molestation scenario?

A body was found in the port last week.. it was not Madeleine but an adult.


That is absolutely sick. Who puts a three-year-old in a dungeon? I will never cease to be surprised at the depraved depths to which some sick people will sink.

I just pray Madeleine is returned safely to her parents.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks Rob - yes..I've been updating the Madelene thread here when I see news on the case.  Posted something just about an hour ago.

Also in the Paige Birgfeld case, just posted the update of the search of the home in Fruitvale along with the video.


Thank you Klaas for keeping the records on this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!

Maybe the "twist" is the upcoming TES search?


Thats what I think, possibly with a mention of the missing cage, knife and rope.

Yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
ho Monks...just checking in to see what's up...will go back now and  read!!  Catch ya when I get caught up
\
Hey SUNNY!!!


Going O/T (agian)////the NFL is standing behind VICK... so far but the Sports Illustrated author is saying that they are going to have to suspend  him...  

I wonder if we can write the NFL commissioner???   I love football  - I want it back!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks Rob - yes..I've been updating the Madelene thread here when I see news on the case.  Posted something just about an hour ago.

Also in the Paige Birgfeld case, just posted the update of the search of the home in Fruitvale along with the video.


Thank you Klaas for keeping the records on this case.

I check Sky News throught the day along with Denver papers.  Any others I can as well.

This while moderating the front page, sharing moderation of the forum with San and working on a 3 hospital databases in the background.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks Rob - yes..I've been updating the Madelene thread here when I see news on the case.  Posted something just about an hour ago.

Also in the Paige Birgfeld case, just posted the update of the search of the home in Fruitvale along with the video.


Thank you Klaas for keeping the records on this case.


Rob, please feel free to add information in those threads as well... Klaasend, Bleached, Sleeks, Festa... and  a lot of monkeys I am missing read and post there exclusively and have great info too... I am sure they would welcome any additional info.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
ho Monks...just checking in to see what's up...will go back now and  read!!  Catch ya when I get caught up
\
Hey SUNNY!!!


Going O/T (agian)////the NFL is standing behind VICK... so far but the Sports Illustrated author is saying that they are going to have to suspend  him...  

I wonder if we can write the NFL commissioner???   I love football  - I want it back!!


VICK is a NUT CASE

let the NFL back him up.... and they will look like IDIOTS

i hate football anyway.....

YANKEES RULE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks Rob - yes..I've been updating the Madelene thread here when I see news on the case.  Posted something just about an hour ago.

Also in the Paige Birgfeld case, just posted the update of the search of the home in Fruitvale along with the video.


Thank you Klaas for keeping the records on this case.

I check Sky News throught the day along with Denver papers.  Any others I can as well.

This while moderating the front page, sharing moderation of the forum with San and working on a 3 hospital databases in the background.  :wink:


You are AMAZING!!  I truly take my proverbial hat off to you everyday!@!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
ho Monks...just checking in to see what's up...will go back now and  read!!  Catch ya when I get caught up
\
Hey SUNNY!!!


Going O/T (agian)////the NFL is standing behind VICK... so far but the Sports Illustrated author is saying that they are going to have to suspend  him...  

I wonder if we can write the NFL commissioner???   I love football  - I want it back!!


I'll write the commissioner. I'm sure the outcry on this is huge. Vick does not deserve fame and fortune; he deserves consequences.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks, Rob--is there a consensus on the net as to whether Madeleine is alive?


BKYG-
No one knows. However, he had a dungeon like thingy under the main house and who has one of those unless they are involved in a molestation scenario?

A body was found in the port last week.. it was not Madeleine but an adult.


Wasn't that hidden room put there by the previous owner?  My memory of those details are very vague.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:10:17 PM
Wow, Klaas...and I thought I was doing well to keep up with the monkeys' conversation while ironing linen tea towels.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Missing in Paradise:
Natalee Holloway vanished over two years ago. Now Geraldo joins Bill to reveal a startling new twist in this mystery

Hmmmmm, startling new twist......  Could it be that Dompig is full-o-chit?  Julia and Angela are full-o-chit?  Joran is a lying POS?  Hmmmm.....startling I tell ya just startling!

Maybe the "twist" is the upcoming TES search?


Thats what I think, possibly with a mention of the missing cage, knife and rope.


I don't see that as a "startling new twist" but we are talking about Fox.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Wow, Klaas...and I thought I was doing well to keep up with the monkeys' conversation while ironing linen tea towels.


You will NEVER catch me ironing linen tea towels, lol  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Wow, Klaas...and I thought I was doing well to keep up with the monkeys' conversation while ironing linen tea towels.


You will NEVER catch me ironing linen tea towels, lol  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Haha--I know--I'm a freak!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: San on July 19, 2007, 05:15:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Wow, Klaas...and I thought I was doing well to keep up with the monkeys' conversation while ironing linen tea towels.


You will NEVER catch me ironing linen tea towels, lol  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Me either :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Wow, Klaas...and I thought I was doing well to keep up with the monkeys' conversation while ironing linen tea towels.


You will NEVER catch me ironing linen tea towels, lol  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Me either :lol:


me three


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:19:27 PM
Awwww...ironing's not so bad, everyone...it's like making order out of chaos.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:20:22 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Awwww...ironing's not so bad, everyone...it's like making order out of chaos.

I only iron when absolutely necessary..like if I have to alter/shorten a pair of dress pants.  Other than that forget it.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Awwww...ironing's not so bad, everyone...it's like making order out of chaos.

I only iron when absolutely necessary..like if I have to alter/shorten a pair of dress pants.  Other than that forget it.  :lol:


Shortening a pair of pants sounds scary to me!

Sorry I changed the subject from Natalee Holloway to hated household tasks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 19, 2007, 05:26:45 PM
well,what can I say.i don't iron...When BOR and Geraldo be on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 19, 2007, 05:27:41 PM
All we need is another poison in the system,so yes it scares the hell out of me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:27:48 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
well,what can I say.i don't iron...When BOR and Geraldo be on.


Me neither, Tiger--the Factor demands my undivided attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns

That was a FAKE report?  Wow, I really believed it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:30:16 PM
The food thing is scary to me... very.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 19, 2007, 05:31:06 PM
0% chance that BOR's new twist is new to us. IMO  :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:32:25 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
The food thing is scary to me... very.


Tell me about it.  I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago because I was having severe intestinal cramps off and on for over a week.  We think it was some kind of food poisoning but aren't sure.  I go back to the Dr. in a couple weeks.  I'm been feeling much better now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


I kill and grow alot of my own food, I dont depend on some commie in China to feed me  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 19, 2007, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


I kill and grow alot of my own food, I dont depend on some commie in China to feed me  :wink:


You are a smart man. I live in a vast northern urban area, so I'm dependant on the Chi-coms.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
The food thing is scary to me... very.


Tell me about it.  I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago because I was having severe intestinal cramps off and on for over a week.  We think it was some kind of food poisoning but aren't sure.  I go back to the Dr. in a couple weeks.  I'm been feeling much better now.


I am so glad to hear that you are better... I have been buying our food from the local farmer's market and I refuse to buy anything else until I have to... at least I know what's in there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


I kill and grow alot of my own food, I dont depend on some commie in China to feed me  :wink:


So is the rumor that you are really Ted Nugent true? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


I kill and grow alot of my own food, I dont depend on some commie in China to feed me  :wink:


You are a smart man. I live in a vast northern urban area, so I'm dependant on the Chi-coms.


I can give you some tips - find a vegetable stand somewhere that some farmer sets up on the side of the road, get a gun, take a saftey class and find some state land.  Deer, rabbit, pheasant, grouse all make great meals.  Most state parks allow hunting also.  Fishing is another great way to provide for yourself.   Tomato plants can be grown from a hanging basket - get one of those iron poles that stick in the ground that will hold 3 - 4 different hanging plants, etc..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:40:52 PM
They are playing "destruction derby" again in Aruba today.  5 accidents so far:
 :lol:
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


I kill and grow alot of my own food, I dont depend on some commie in China to feed me  :wink:


So is the rumor that you are really Ted Nugent true? :shock:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   Wish i had his money!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 05:42:39 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns


Are all the contaminants in the food source scaring anyone else?


It scares me.  There is no way to know what is safe these days.  Now, if the weenie don't kill ya, the chili will!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 19, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
Great work pulling all those Lorenzo posts. All those different sources on Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother > there is likely something to it.

And what is up with all those locals saying that they heard Lorenzo being mentioned early on...from the start? Where did they hear and when was the *start*? Any Lorenzo mentions before 6/16?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 19, 2007, 05:44:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
O/T

Beijing Reporter Detained Over Fake Report on Cardboard-Filled Buns

That was a FAKE report?  Wow, I really believed it!


I did too and it turned my stomach even though I have no idea what a pork bun is. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 05:47:22 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T - the net is closing on Robert Murat in the Madeleine McCann case. As most know, he is the only official suspect.

There could be a possible arrest sometime toward the end of next week.


Thanks, Rob--is there a consensus on the net as to whether Madeleine is alive?


BKYG-
No one knows. However, he had a dungeon like thingy under the main house and who has one of those unless they are involved in a molestation scenario?

A body was found in the port last week.. it was not Madeleine but an adult.


Wasn't that hidden room put there by the previous owner?  My memory of those details are very vague.


Mike- that has not been revealed. All that is known is he and his mother (Jenny) have lived there for 7 years. Not sure who constructed the dungeon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Great work pulling all those Lorenzo posts. All those different sources on Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother > there is likely something to it.

And what is up with all those locals saying that they heard Lorenzo being mentioned early on...from the start? Where did they hear and when was the *start*? Any Lorenzo mentions before 6/16?

I have no idea when the "start" was and I don't know of any reference to Lorenzo prior to the 16th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 05:52:37 PM
and people laugh at me because i dont eat out


i always wash my vegetables and fruits with soap and water


i hate ALL RESTAURANTS

Groossssssssssssssssssssssssssss

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 05:54:10 PM
i have not read half this thread so i dont know exactly whats going but did I just read that BOR is going to have something about Natalee tonight or is that something from the past???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Wasn't it Geraldo that was in Aruba very early in the investigation, and discovered some new information pretty quickly, or his brother did?  What was that?  He is familiar with the case and what was going on early on.  Is he going to be on BOR?


iirc -- Geraldo mentioned something about a video tape and underage girls. I don't remember if he made the Freddy connection.


Thats it Sharon!!  I couldn't for the life of me remember what he discussed.  I remember his brother being involved in getting that information somehow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: "blah"
i have not read half this thread so i dont know exactly whats going but did I just read that BOR is going to have something about Natalee tonight or is that something from the past???


tonight... it's supposed to be a new twist... I am betting that it's nothing more than the baloney spewed by julia...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 19, 2007, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Great work pulling all those Lorenzo posts. All those different sources on Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother > there is likely something to it.

And what is up with all those locals saying that they heard Lorenzo being mentioned early on...from the start? Where did they hear and when was the *start*? Any Lorenzo mentions before 6/16?

I have no idea when the "start" was and I don't know of any reference to Lorenzo prior to the 16th.

Thanks. I am thinking that Lorenzo was talked about early on by the locals and not due to any media report. The local talk likely generated by his connection to Joran, and the 1/2 brother story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: "blah"
i have not read half this thread so i dont know exactly whats going but did I just read that BOR is going to have something about Natalee tonight or is that something from the past???


New stuff and they are saying a surprising "twist" in the case:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/misc2/oreilly07-19-07.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 06:05:36 PM
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:06:37 PM
Whoreldo stated that JORAN was a participant in a gang bang video. Said it was a back street item and it was being sold on the island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS


O/T

I really don't care for Hillary

I would not want to be married to Bill

Bill would probably be a lot of fun at a party though  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2007, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: well I agree but I do know Blah really like Hillary  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS


She puts her boxers on one lag at a time like the rest of us... what's not to like?  :lol:

and she does have ELEPHANKLES!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS



POST OF THE DAY !!!!!!!!!!!

WHOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Good job !!!!!!

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Whoreldo stated that JORAN was a participant in a gang bang video. Said it was a back street item and it was being sold on the island.


Rob - is this pertaining to the show today or what Geraldo said in the beginning of the case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 19, 2007, 06:11:37 PM
Sitting here watching the news,can y'all tell?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Whoreldo stated that JORAN was a participant in a gang bang video. Said it was a back street item and it was being sold on the island.


Rob - is this pertaining to the show today or what Geraldo said in the beginning of the case?


Klaas- he said that while on Aruba in the beginning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 19, 2007, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
They are playing "destruction derby" again in Aruba today.  5 accidents so far:
 :lol:
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


Yikes. Medical personel are the only ones on that island that can't afford to be lazy.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: well I agree but I do know Blah really like Hillary  :wink:


shes sooooo.......


HOT !!!!!


(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/hillary_funny.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:18:14 PM
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/clinton_hummer.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/clinton_buddy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:20:15 PM
I crack myself up !!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :cheers:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:22:04 PM
Quote from: "blah"
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/clinton_buddy.jpg)


just look at those stubbie lil legs...she sure looks GREAT in a polyester pants suit. No wonder he's sleepin around...seriously I hardly blame him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:23:50 PM
Quote from: "Rob"


just look at those stubbie lil legs...she sure looks GREAT in a polyester pants suit. No wonder he's sleepin around...seriously I hardly blame him.


Even this little fella cant stand her....

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/hillary_closer.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:25:47 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Hillary5.jpg)

baking cookies or whatever the hell it is she really does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
O/T... agree or not... that's fine.. just no flames


I HATE THE CLINTONS



POST OF THE DAY !!!!!!!!!!!

WHOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Good job !!!!!!

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


the both make me want to PUKE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:26:39 PM
HEY HIL-
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Bush1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: robots on July 19, 2007, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Hillary5.jpg)

baking cookies or whatever the hell it is she really does.


that is Skerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry

 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:27:44 PM
trying to get to page 50

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/clinton_devolution.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:28:05 PM
I swear her leg was only this thick!
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/billrichardson2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:29:00 PM
Do you KNOW yer black?
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/BarrackandHillary1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:29:15 PM
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/clinton_sax.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 06:29:27 PM
ENOUGH OF THE POLITICAL STUFF - OK?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:29:55 PM
I only slept with Donna Shalala once.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Hillary3.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: blah on July 19, 2007, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I swear her leg was only this thick!
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/billrichardson2.jpg)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:30:25 PM
My favorite - Bill farted
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Hillary7.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2007, 06:31:24 PM
I love 9-11 YAH!!!
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Hillary6.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2007, 06:31:25 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 660


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