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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on August 10, 2006, 03:36:45 AM
NOTE:  SUMMARY AS OF 1/9/2007 IS ON PAGE 16

http://tinyurl.com/y872v3



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The purpose of this thread will be to list documented murders and violent crimes in Aruba.  Eventually it would be helpful to compare and contrast this with the "official" version given by authorities and especially the tourism industries to determine accuracy of information.

Comparing events reported in local Aruban newspapers and other sources on the island will give a better picture than statements made for the benefit of enhancing tourism.

Please list any known murders or crimes of violence that you have as well as the date and a source if possible.

Thank you in advance for any participation in this collection of data.

Anna

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on August 10, 2006, 03:40:47 AM
Recently there was an article published in USA Today where an alleged expert on travel, speaking to a group of travel agents claimed that there had been only one murder in Aruba in the last twenty years.  We know this is not true as at one time we had about a dozen listed on a thread similar to this one.

Here is information including contact information concerning that article:

Here is the address of the man who wrote the article stating that there had only been one murder in Aruba in the past twenty years for USAToday
 
travel@davidgrossman.net
 

Here is his address at the paper.  You put Grossman in the subject line to see that it is directed to him:
 
travel@usatoday.com <travel@usatoday.com>.
 
This is a link to an article in USAToday and this Grossman who wrote it says that Aruba has had one murder in the last twenty years. I have already written to him protesting that statement but the horror of it is he made it apparently speaking to a group of travel agents!!
 
Please write to Mr Grossman if you feel so inclined and request that he correct this horrific disinformation. Here is the article and his email address is at the bottom of the article.
 
http://tinyurl.com/mg6ju
 
Justinsmama found this:
 
This what Grossman at USA Today wrote:
 
Quote:
Many people say they feel safe when traveling. But our sense of "safe" is often distorted by media coverage (or the lack of it) and distance, according to Tarlow. For example, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gained worldwide attention and caused a decline in visitors to Aruba, even though it is the safest island in the Caribbean with only one murder reported in the last 20 years.
 

To report corrections and clarifications, contact Reader Editor Brent Jones at 1-800-872-7073 or e-mail accuracy@usatoday.com
 

So here we can have all the contact infomation at one place although you can go to the USATODAY website and write to the travel editor who is also the boss of this Grossman who write one murder in the last twenty years in Aruba and tells that to a group of travel


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on August 10, 2006, 03:44:05 AM
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Subsequent to being questioned on this absurd statistic, Mr David Grossman of USAToday travel department did contact me and at least one other poster, MSMarple via email and state that he could only substantiate a couple of murders in Aruba per year.  Thus he concluded based on per capita, one stood twice the chances of being murdered in the U.S. than in Aruba.

I have sent him a listing of several murders over the past few months and received not response.

One has to be actually looking to be able to substantiate much of anything and I have to wonder if that is the case in his inability to find more than a couple of murders per year.  I will try to assist in his endeavor.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on August 10, 2006, 03:49:10 AM
SUNFREAK2 submitted the following list of murders:

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Other Deaths on Aruba:

Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American Harley Davidson mechanic, found locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked on 11-16-05. Death was ruled a suicide by Dr. van der Linden who performed the autopsy.

RENE MICHEL VAN HEYNINGEN – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05

Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, the 25 year old bouncer from Choose a Name Bar that was found on 4-5-06 in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire.

Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from the Dominican Republic. She was stabbed by a jealous boyfriend on 11-4-05
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Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old choller. was shot in the head on 11-4-05.


And this from LESLIE:

Another murder in Aruba:
Raul Croes - attacked in a restaurant with a machete
see Solo di Pueblo April 18, 2006 edition (available online)
 
 
Gee, you don't suppose there were any tourists in that restaurant do you?  Could have been dangerous for them. Like the armed hold-up of one of the casinos in the last few years was as well.  
 

Counting Benson a suicide, this is five murders.  Natalee Holloway would make the sixth bring Aruba ahead of the US according to Mr Grossman's method of calculating per capita murders.

Please add more as you are able to find them.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on August 10, 2006, 08:58:25 AM
Amigoe  August 10, 2006

KvK wants to put an end to deterioration of the center  

ARUBA – In an open letter to the government, the committee of the Chamber of Commerce (KvK) expressed her concern about the deterioration of the center of Oranjestad.  They urge the government to discuss the establishment of a policy to tackle all the problems with all the parties involved.  “If this does not happen carefully, and without knowledge, it’s going to hurt the Aruban community financially and more”, warns KvK.  

The recently demolishing of a building that was being used by drug addicts and all the following violence against the different businesses in Oranjestad is an indication of short-sighted policy, says KvK.  “The consequences for the businesses in the inner city and for the safety of the individual residents and visitors are not being considered.”  It’s not just about drug addicts, but also problems with the traffic, lack of parking spaces, criminality, littering, deterioration of the buildings, and uncertainty about the business licensing policy for new businesses.  

The problems are not just the responsibility of the ministry of Justice, but also of the ministry of Economic Affairs, Tourism, and Infrastructure and Planning.  They do not show enough attention and interest.  

Putting the shelter for drug addicts in the center of Oranjestad didn’t solve the problem; on the contrary, the problems have become bigger and had caused the economy more damage.  KvK urges the government to revise the policy soon and to move the shelter to somewhere else.  

The business life in the center demands the authorities to provide them and the public with around the clock protection.  “The tax payers have the right to that.”

KvK is willing to render full assistance to the improvement of the situation in the center of Oranjestad.  “Some of the responsibilities are exclusively the government’s though.  It’s about time that the government gives clarity on her intentions with the center of Oranjestad.”


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 13, 2006, 02:53:55 AM
A body was found in a trash container in June 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 13, 2006, 02:58:48 AM
Let us not forget the strange incident of the body that was dug up before the Holloway searchers found it. (The Aruba-Bay video of body recovery.)

This was called an "old body" and not related to the Holloway case. How did the polis know where the body was? Why wasn't it in a cemetery? Where is it now?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 13, 2006, 03:00:07 AM
Pitbull's death was deemed a suicide.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 13, 2006, 03:35:32 AM
From SunFreak's timeline:

June 10 – Aru-Bay video of what appears to be the recovery of a body is filmed. It is later claimed to be that of a 7 year old illegal immigrant from Columbia, although the body is later reported to have been found a year earlier


This is the "strange incident" mentioned in previous post. Wanted to get the date in.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 14, 2006, 01:15:03 PM
Woman found in trash - Reported by Bondia 6/23/2006

There is an article on the front page of Bondia from 6/23/2006 regarding a body that was found - WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO.

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/23/A-23-06-2006.pdf

It's about the body of a woman in advance state of decomposition. No clothing on her, but some clothing articles are scattered around her. Appears she had worn some type of bracelet, possibly one of the "drink pass" rubber/plastic bracelets. (Or may have been ligature mark?)

Posted just to get the date in. Bondia page no longer available.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 14, 2006, 01:15:52 PM
Diario article on 6/24/2006

diario article writes its lamentable and sad to have to report what has occurred. Usually these things have been known to apppen in los angeles or in cancun but never here in aruba!
to report that false police are going around gives aruba a very bad name in light of the tragic circumstances that has already occurred with the natalie case.
A man speaking spanish and dressed in police blues stopped in front of a american tourist enjoying the brreze on the beach and told her she owed 500 for a fine. It does not say what the fine was for . In a Nutshell when the tourist said she was not aware of commitiing anything she could be fined for as she had just arrived not only was she unaware of what crime was committed to incur that fine.
the blue uniformed polis then spoke with someone on his cell phone, she believed him to be asking something about the fines to whomever he was tlking to. He then said to her ok if you preform a sexual act in front of me we can then forget the fine ,but you must do this. the tourist ran to the hotel desk and asked for help in reporting what occured. while the desk person took down identification of guests and locals the woman also called the consulate to report the icident.
This put our polis and tourism in poor light and can only be useful in hamperin tourism.

Not a word to word translation but pretty much it in a nutshell.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 14, 2006, 01:28:33 PM
sandy leiva wrote: (roughly translated by sandy)
 

translation todays diario aruba front page  (July 27 2006)

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates:
word has come to the paper that a group of males student aged from the same school as the victem had been loitering around .

this crime is considered to be punishable and condemming by law.
thee innocent 16 yr old Virgen was accosted by many from within her own class and school.
This was a forced act of violence agaisnt this child and she was raped anally and vaginally.
What makes this crime more sickening is that many of the male students used thier cameras on thier cellphones to record the act.
By midday the photos were circulated to other males via cellphones.
The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.
the photos continue to be distributed via MMS now more than ever diario has found out.
The family upon learning this has decided the girl will not return to school in august and instead they are looking to send her off the island with other family abroad.
Diario is supplicating to the family to protect the girl and press charges annonymously so that these group will not get away with this crime so that they may be brought to justice and not have a chance to do this to another female.
The author of the article states he cannot believe what is happening to the islands youth today. He says the goverment and the judicial branches of Arube must take a firm stance against this behavior, and prosecute these thugs.
In another case he sites that a roaming group of youngsters have terrorised an entire area in Cas Palamos. In that case polis did nothing to disband this disruptive group of young males.
In yet another case last night polis did stop a group of youngsters who were out of control after leaving a concert for the band called of the highway in area of Boegoereio. while awaiting the arrival of more polis to the scene the youths scattered in different direction.
Diario is asking that the photos circulating in JPG form via MMs cellul;ar co be removed from airwaves.If not they risk falling as accomplices to the actions of these rapists.

Best ranslation I could do. Sandy


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 14, 2006, 02:16:45 PM
High Command in Holland wants to conduct DNA tests on all suicide victims
DIARIO Aruba
1/6/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): A report which is circulating in Holland caught DIARIO’s attention, related to a declaration from the High Command of the police in Utrecht. Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.

Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case.

It is desired to introduce a law so that in this type of case, DNA tests can take place. What the High Command brought forward is based on a case of more or less 20 years which is considered a cold case after the test resulted in something else.

Recently in Aruba, also in past years, experts from Holland along with investigators and authorities in Paradera opened a cemetery in which the Dutch man Maas, who was owner of a pet shop here in Aruba in the Andina Ice building, was buried.

At this time, the doctor could not determine what caused Maas’s death. It has been suspected for some time that the man was poisoned. But the prosecutor ordered a DNA test be conducted on the corpse.

Now there is a result which indicated that a crime took place, this opened the way to hear suspects. One of the suspects in this case is the wife of the deceased who is a Canadian woman and who at the moment lives in Canada.

It is not known if the Public Prosecutor in this case, the Attorney General, proposed to the government of Aruba or the Kingdom to solicit the extradition of the woman whose initials are M.J.H. of 47 years of age. It is also not known if the Kingdom in these cases has a treaty. Meanwhile, this could last many months, or perhaps light will never be shed on this case.


// posted by Getagrip @ 1/06/2006 12:12:00 AM


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: scared-tom on August 15, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
Hopefully this fixes the problem with the topic.

T


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 15, 2006, 03:26:16 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Hopefully this fixes the problem with the topic.
T


Thanks Tom; seems to be okay now.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 16, 2006, 01:23:07 PM
Shizaru post in LCD 8/16/2006:

There was also a Brazilian man murdered in March 2005 by another Brazilian man (IIRC there was an article about him being sentenced in Bon Dia in early September) ,

and a rasta was fatally stabbed on the beach just a day or two before Natalee disappeared.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 16, 2006, 03:22:24 PM
tidycat posted 8/16/2006:

I remember reading of two separate security guards who jumped off buildings. I know this has been discussed here. They were at different times, and this stuck with me because it was so unusual.

Also, there was a suicide on the beach mid-summer or so, and I think that was close to one of the jumpers.

Maybe Jossy could check it out for us?
_________

Does anyone have any details on these incidents???


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 19, 2006, 11:28:09 AM
Amigoe June 8 2006 article re. Pitbull:

ARUBA — Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of overdoses cocaine.  At this moment, the Public Prosecutor (OM) does not have evidence that the 25-year old man that was found dead in the vicinity of the Guadirikiri cave on April 5th was murdered.  Four suspects have been arrested and the examining magistrate has prolonged the custody of one of them with 8 days.

On Tuesday, Pitbull’s widow and her mother had talked with the district attorney, who leads the investigation on the death of Djoegan.  The OM does not comment on the contents of this conversation.  All they said was that in order to determine the cause of death, they had to send tests to the Netherlands.  The family was informed that Pitbull was not murdered, but had an amount of cocaine in his body.  There is a possibility that he was forced to take the drug. The OM is also investigating the relation between the cause of death and the fact that Djoegan was found burned and crucified.

Last weekend, the police arrested two men and two women in connection with this case.  One of them, M.L. was taken before the examining magistrate on Tuesday afternoon.  He was already in prison for illegal possession of firearms and cocaine balls.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: sharon on August 19, 2006, 11:45:24 AM
The murder on the beach by the rasta

Found this at BFN -- I knew it was there somewhere! Link to BFN on bottom of page. Not sure if link to diario works -- but here's the article.

THANKS DKPEN & BLEACHEDBLACK :D

(If I've messed the margins Klaas -- I'm sorry :oops:  Please instruct me how to fix.)


78  Natalee Holloway / Theories - Tips - Archived Topics / Re: Aruba: Murder by numberson: January 20, 2006, 10:18:45 AM  
Started by dkpen, Message by bleachedblackRelevance: 19.7%
Article on Rastaman murder 5/31/05

Prosecutor asks for 10 years of punishment for rastaman who has said that he didn’t have the intention to kill the person
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news4.html

ORANJESTAD(AAN): The case of C.E.B., who is accused of intentionally taking someone’s life, took place in court on Friday. This happened on May 31, 2005, where a problem arose on the beach, where a Rastafarian man stabbed a person, with fatal consequences.

The accused, C.E.B. admitted that it was he who stabbed the person, however he explained that he went to defend his friend V. His friend lives on the street and another person who lives on the street J. was looking for trouble with him and took away his license plate [placa?]

When C. and V. ran into J. on the street, C. asked J. how he could take advantage of V. According to C. the the person attacked and they started to fight.

When J. was down, J’s friends were saying “stab him”. That is when J. took out a knife and the rastaman (C.) took the arm away from him. The rasta continued to say that they fell on top of each other and after a while he noticed that he had stabbed the person.

He took off his shirt that was soaked with the victim’s blood and walked away. Afterwards, someone came to say that J. had died. After the witness’s declaration, the rasta was detained.

The judge said to the court that there was a witness who declared that they say the rasta standing behind J. and saw that it was in this way that he stabbed [the victim]. According to the prosecutor, the fact that the victim had cuts on his chest [y su banda robez], it couldn’t be that the person fell on top of the rasta and in that way suffered the mortal wound.

According to the prosecutor, C. perhaps stood in front of him, when he stabbed him twice. The rastaman explained to the judge however, that if it were true that he stabbed the person in the way that the prosecutor said, he wouldn’t have had so much blood on his body.

It was said that before J was stabbed he fought back, for this reason there was so much of the victim’s blood on his clothes and body. The prosecutor asked C. about an event that in the past where he was punished for stabbing a person and that it was known that he always carried a knife.

C. explained about this that he was attacked by someone with a pipe and that he defended himself. He also said that at the time he had a knife, because he used [base?] , using a plastic pipe and he needed a knife.

C. explained to the judge that all people who use base with a plastic pipe, have a knife. Now that he uses a metal pipe, he doesn’t carry a knife anymore. According to the judge, in the police report, C. himself stated that he had a knife and that he stabbed the victim with it.

According to C. the police report isn’t correct, since the knife belonged to the victim. The prosecutor asked for an unconditional punishment of 10 years, less time served.

http://tinyurl.com/rk9xr


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 20, 2006, 10:54:26 AM
Thanks, Sharon.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 20, 2006, 11:25:46 AM
OM arrests witness – Amigoe.com 11/29/2005

ARUBA – The Public Prosecutor (OM) arrested a witness that testified for a suspect that supposedly was involved in a shooting. The OM suspects the witness of perjury. The district attorney didn’t believe the statement and had the 18-year old man arrested during the hearing.

The shooting took place during a party near hotel La Cabana in the night of April 30th. It was a problem between two gangs, Dakota and Madiki. Dakota accuses the 20-year old E.F. from Madiki of the shooting. F.’s lawyer subpoenaed two friends to witness. One of them, the 18-year old D. de la C. declared that he left at 03:30 and didn’t hear any shots. He also declared that his friend F. had left one hour before him. The district attorney didn’t believe De la C., because other people have told the police that they have seen him at the location during the shooting. There is a punishment of at least 3 months imprisonment for perjury.

The case will continue on December 9th and more witnesses are subpoenaed to testify

From BFN. Disposition not known


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 22, 2006, 11:20:23 AM
Posted on LCD by dkpen 8/21/2006, from an Aruba msg board archive:

Security Guard Down

Friday, July 30th, 2004, 02:06 PM
Does anyone know what happend to a LaCabana Security Guard on Wedn, July 14? My family and I were crossing the street to catch the bus for Oranjestad, and there was a Security Guard lying on the edge of the Sand near the street. Everyone was hovering around him. Then came the ambulance to take him away to the hospital. What happend?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 22, 2006, 09:05:11 PM
Posted by SunnyInTx 8/22/2006 on LCD, brought over from RU:

Another Attempted Rape Case On Aruba

From 8/22/06 Diario


Short and sweet

A 36 ye old British woman with the B.J.L.B. reported an attempted "violation" upon her person at about 8:15 am Monday morning by a man of 5' 9" height, grey eyes and brown hair. The woman was able to fight off the purported attacker and told the police that in the struggle she had marked the mans face with scratches.
THIS IS REPORTED TO HAVE OCCURED IN THE AREA OF THE FISHERMAN HUTS.

Diario is calling on the people at the High Rise hotel - some who claim to have heard and or seen the attack to come forward with information to avoid another story that could harm tourism.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 22, 2006, 10:31:37 PM
Mortella wrote (FP post 8/22/2006; emphasis added; thanks Mortella):

Six documented murders in Aruba in twelve months following Natalee Holloway’s disappearance. This in a population of approximately 100,000 being generous. These have to be gleaned from the local Aruban newspapers as there is no available reliable information on crime rates. Just saying they have none does NOT make it so. The dead speak for themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/fx4ez

In the U.S. the rate per 100,000 is 4.5. This means despite the hype, the murder rate in Aruba is higher than in the U.S. I believe if taken on a per capita basis, other violent crimes may also be higher but who has time to compile this information normally provided by reliable local sources.

Very interesting that Arubans continue to insist there is no crime there when their newspapers scream of it daily. Just how stupid do they think we are? Don’t even answer that, is rhetorical but we all know VERY!

So Aruba in fact has a higher murder rate than is found in the evil old U.S. of A. but they lie about it to deceive tourist. I think this is something that should be brought to the attention of our Department of State for releasing fictitious murder rates is considered very serious offense. It will bring on a travel warning faster than the actual crimes for who knows what is going on if they are in fact lying about it. That would certainly appear to be the case based on the number of documented in their local papers.

Six is only the number some have been able to find so the actual number is likely far higher but given the language barrier, this is all their search has found so far. Imagine if they could speak Papiamento what they might find. And, no, there is no mistake as the articles related to these six murders have been accurately translated to be certain that is what the articles in fact report. Let’s hope forum poster Msmarple keeps up the good work and continues to compile her statistics. They just may prove very useful in some way. At least we will know the truth and can warn unsuspecting tourist of the reality of the crime situation in Aruba. It is nothing like what is portrayed by the locals and the tourist industry and for very good reason.

Does anybody tell the truth about anything in Aruba? They surely don’t about the crime rate


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: lexie on August 22, 2006, 10:36:16 PM
What about the 20-something young man found floating off shore soon after the unidentified dead female in the trash pile?  I believe this was reported in Diario.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 22, 2006, 10:38:52 PM
Quote from: "lexie"
What about the 20-something young man found floating off shore soon after the unidentified dead female in the trash pile?  I believe this was reported in Diario.


Lexie - Can you find any other info about this? Thank you for keeping an eye out ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2006, 03:17:30 AM
Anna - I hope you see this ... USAToday travel writer David Grossman makes a tiny concession to our badgering  :lol:

http://tinyurl.com/edk6u

Editor's note: A previous version of this column cited an incorrect statistic concerning the murder rate in Aruba.

That's all - doesn't venture into the murkey territory of what that statistic might be ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2006, 03:51:52 AM
Whoa. Don't know the year; will try to look into this at a saner time ...

http://tinyurl.com/khue2

BULGARIA-PRESS-MARCH 22

The dailies publish more details on the murder in Aruba of Poli
Pantev, boss of the SIC insurance company.  His body will be flown to
Sofia on Thursday.

      Pantev was planning to have plastic surgery and live under an
assumed identity on the island, "Troud" says, quoting a source close
to the police in Aruba.  He tried to con the international cocaine
Mafia by stealing 500 kg of the drug and selling it dirt cheap.

      Once the body is in Sofia, DNA testing will show if it is
really Pantev, "Monitor" says.  A detective told the daily from Aruba
that there are suspects but no one has been arrested.


      There is only one Bulgarian living on the island, the
international relations department said, without naming names.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2006, 04:20:49 AM
More on the Bulgarian ... I think the year is 2001.

Pantyu Pantev, a Bulgarian who was recently killed in the Aruba
island, was a spy and his murder was contracted by his girl friend,
"Troud" says.  Pantev was shot to death in a local hotel.  According
to one of the theories, he was killed because he owed money.  Two
persons have been questioned in the case, "24 Chassa" writes.  Both
dailies refer to their correspondents sent to Aruba.

http://tinyurl.com/hbduc

When the Happy Island talks about ONE MURDER IN 20 YEARS - I'll bet this is the one.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on August 24, 2006, 04:32:12 PM
MsMarple--That retraction is NOT acceptable!  I will contact his boss and also ask for the name of the Ombudsman for the paper.

Now this is just posted on the increasingly popular Front Page  8)  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 8)

I am not certain if this death occurred in Aruba or Curacao but believe this came from the Amigoe English version newspaper.  Not even priests are safe in their own beds sleeping in the Netherland Antilles!  Despite hands being bound which usually connotes a suicide in Aruba, they seem to have to admit to foul play in this one.

>Autopsy Father Montoya revealed suffocation

CURACAO – Autopsy has revealed this morning that Father Alejandro Montoya of the Bonam Church died from suffocation. That is definitely a crime and there are no suspects yet.

In the interest of the investigation, the authorities do not want to release any details, only that they are going all-out on solving this case. “We are on top of it. You better believe it”, said police commissioner Marlon Wernet. “And all tips from the community are extremely welcome. It doesn’t matter how little the information is.”

Montoya was found in his bed under a blanket yesterday morning, with a pillow next to his head, his hands tied up and his mouth taped up, even though the latter is not confirmed nor denied. The police found several tracks that are now being analyzed. The assault itself had probably taken place in the evening. Shortly after the body was found, the police also found Montoya’s car on Seru Cocori and confiscated it for investigation of the tracks. The authorities released Montoya’s body after the autopsy. There will be a memorial service for him this coming Saturday. The body will afterwards be flown to his native country Colombia to be buried.

Comment by Katablog.com | August 24, 2006, 2:17 pm
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Thanks to Katablog for posting that!  Hope it helps with your ever increasing stats.

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2006, 05:43:22 PM
Anna and Mrsmarples - thank you for creating and keeping this thread updated!

Have you guys both seen the new statement on the front page?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 25, 2006, 06:50:20 AM
{{{{ANNA}}}}

The Bulgarian was shot in an elevator March 9 2001, Sonesta Hotel in "Orangecity" Aruba. Security camera captured the killing; gunman was "Latin American" in his late 20s. Poli Pantev had dual citizenship, Argentinean and Bulgarian.

Disposition of the case - can't find any information. From all reports I found, appears to have been drug related.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 25, 2006, 10:01:44 AM
Posted by sharon on LCD, 8/25/2006, from "this morning's Amigoe" --

Information request on attackers

ARUBA – The police is asking witnesses to come forward and help with tracking the two men down that attacked a woman in Wayaca last Monday, demanding her to give them her husband’s gun, who is a police officer.

The assault took place between 14:40 and 15:00. The men broke into the house, put a knife to the woman’s throat and asked her for her husband’s gun. The woman said that she didn’t know where her husband keeps his gun. The attackers finally left with a golden necklace, two ear-rings, and a white mobile telephone. According to the information the police gave, the attackers were two Latin American men, slim, and were about 1.80 to 1.85 meters tall. Both were dressed in jeans and the one wore a white shirt and the other a green. One of the attackers has black shoulder length hair and the other is bold. They fled in the direction of Santa Martha, one on foot and the other on a silver coloured mountain bike. Anybody that has more information on these two, please get in contact with the police.

Thanks sharon.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 26, 2006, 02:20:34 AM
Posted by Pita on LCD Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:17 pm    

Yesenia Castillo is being held in KIA for the murder of Rene Van Heynigen.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: yapperz1 on August 27, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Found this info & thought you may be interested

http://tinyurl.com/s45u8

per member request here is a better layout of previous info for readibility, and thanks to LucyT for the reconstruction

This is a little long, but every member here should read this and integrate into their own thoughts and opinions:

In 1996 an AMERICAN woman tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.

On April 19, 2006 user identity “momja” of the “Blogs for Natalee” wrote*: Read this from ABC33/40 in Birmingham Aruba: More Women Speak Out "My heart aches for Natalee and her family.

I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the TV, exactly what happened to her.

I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE. In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends.

We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino.

My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning.

I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldn’t go to the police.

When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the TV for the Holloway-Twitty family.

They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commissioner of the casino had a problem with the 'man', and were also willing to help my husband and I.

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98

On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

from on board the “Royal Caribbean Lines” cruise ship the “Rhapsody of the Seas” enroute to WILLEMSTAD, CURACAO

after being docked in ORANJESTAD, ARUBA

and AMY was propositioned by some men to go with them to “Carlos “N Charlies.”

(both CURACAO and ARUBA are islands belonging to the NETHERLAND ANTILLES)

If you have any helpful information, please contact the Hot line: (804) 276-8503, the F.B.I.: (804) 777-3363, Relatives Main Line: (804) 276-2204, Fax: (804) 745-6133, Primary E-mail: Teamamy@hotmail.com 6-9-99

On June 9, 1999 an AMERICAN, WILLIARD “Bud” LARSON, vanished while vacationing in ARUBA.

Last known location: “Windsurf Village board shop” in ARUBA‘s west beach….

If you have any helpful information with respect to LARSON, please, email his parents at Larsoncrew13@verizon.net 12-24-01

On June 6, 2005 BOSTON, MASSACHUSSETTS “ABC” TV channel 5 “WCVB” reported:

Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba

BOSTON -- With its year-round warmth and nearly rain-free climate, Aruba has become a vacation oasis for thousands of Massachusetts’s residents.

But in recent days, a dark side has emerged. NewsCenter 5's Amalia Barreda reported that a local woman said she was raped after leaving the same bar in Aruba where missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway was last seen.

"Aruba is not as safe as the commercials make it out to be," said Marie, who withheld her last name.

Marie said she made four trips to Aruba with friends and believed the island was safe.

That's why she had no qualms about traveling there alone for Christmas 2001. She stayed at the same Holiday Inn where Holloway and her high school classmates booked their rooms.

On Christmas Eve, Marie said she went to Carlos 'N Charlie's, the same bar where the missing Alabama teen was last seen.

When she left, Marie said a man pulled her into his car, drove away and raped her.

"As I was being pulled into vehicle, screams came out of me that I couldn't imagine ever coming out of me of me and people did nothing," said Marie.

1-29-02 An AMERICAN, GARY MAKINGS, was last seen in ARUBA on January 29, 2002

He was staying at the “Arubahouse,” and was last seen when he left to go snorkeling. If you have any helpful information, please contact travismakings@yahoo.com

On June 7, 2005 BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS “ABC” TV channel 5 “WCVB” reported:

Local Woman Recalls Alleged Assault In Aruba North Shore Resident Says Hotel Worker Took Advantage Of Her

BOSTON -- The search for the missing Alabama teenager on the island of Aruba has prompted another Massachusetts’s woman to come forward with a story of a vacation gone horribly wrong. NewsCenter 5's Jack Harper reported that police and F.B.I. agents have scaled back the search for Natalee Holloway.

On Monday, more than 700 volunteers combed the island looking for any sign of the 18-year-old girl. Two men have been charged in connection with her disappearance.

A common thread links the Holloway case to a pair of Massachusetts women who say they were sexually assaulted on the island after leaving the popular nightclub called Carlos and Charlie's.

The North Shore woman, who does not want to be identified, said that she came forward with her story as a warning to others.

She said that two years ago in Aruba [2003], she befriended a hotel worker, who she says turned against her.

"On my last night there, I decided to go out on a date with him. I thought it would just be a friendly, harmless affair, and it turned out to be a disaster," she said.

"He took me to the local bar in Aruba, Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me."

The North Shore woman believes that some hotel workers are using their positions to take advantage of young girls. "I guess I wasn't thinking and I felt like I was safe with this person.

He seemed friendly, and I thought it would just be an innocent date -- you know, go out dancing. I really didn’t think such a tragedy would happen," she said. "A lot of locals go there at night just for fun.

A lot of American girls go there and party and they even have a stage there where the young girls, they get them drunk, and they get up on stage and they start doing foolish things that they probably never would do at home. They are under the influence and they are on vacation."

The woman did not tell police at the time of the alleged assault. "After this happened, I wish that I did come forward because this could have been one of the people that harmed this young girl," she said.

On July 12, 2005 identity “clevfan” of “Major Wager.com” reported: I know this is hearsay, but interesting story from a girl in Aruba regarding Joran:

Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom's cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don't know his name.

The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran's. So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran's classmate.

Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran's dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran,

and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.

**** I'm not kidding. Not even a little bit. Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.

On June 16, 2005 Steve Huff reported that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT had a romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of only 14 years old until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship in March, 2005.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

Over the past 8 years dozens of young men and women have been raped and murdered or disappeared,

but there is no record of one instance of a single arrest followed by prosecution.

There is no record of any arrests other than in the Natalee Holloway case, where the perpetrators are free, attending school, playing golf, and having a regular good old time living the Aruban life.

In the case of the Italian boy, Gianni Ferrara, 38 arrests and following convictions occurred in Venzeuala, although the crime began on Aruba with the kidnaping.

Aruba is a paradise for the raping youth and men of the island (and for those who remember Texcat, she provided me very, very early on with

island rape mentality facts that stretched all the way from the Carribean to Australia and even Pitcairn Island--ancestors of those on the HMS Bounty--where it is an island tradition welcoming young girls into what life as a young woman will be all about.)

For any kind of sexual deviant, Aruba is the place where all the comforts of a perv’s best wet dreams can occur jail free. That would make it a lot like Amsterdam, Holland. Oh, that’s right, that’s where the Vander Sloots are from



1,819 posted on 06/17/2006 3:38:47 PM PDT by nuntukamen


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 27, 2006, 12:43:05 PM
Thanks yapperz1.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 27, 2006, 02:17:51 PM
Found thus far in 2006:

Local female attacked by men wanting her husband’s gun (he’s a polis officer)

Tourist female rape attempt
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/sketch.jpg)
Local 16-yr-old female gang-raped (on cell phone video) at school; tape is on internet; parents not filing charges

Tourist female “bothered” by “false polis” wanting sex

Male corpse in water

Female corpse in trash pile
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/womanfound.jpg)
Local male murdered (machete in restaurant) (local)

Local male murdered (assuming Pitbull was murdered)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/pittbull.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/pittbullobit.jpg)
Found thus far in 2005:US ex-pat H-D mechanic ruled a suicide
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/benson.jpg)
3 locals ruled suicides

Local female stabbed by boyfriend

Local drug addict shot

Local man partially decapitated allegedly by wife or “companion”

7-yr-old boy’s body recovered (taped by Aru-Bay)

Local “rastaman” stabbed on beach

Natalee Holloway disappeared after leaving C&Cs with 3 locals

Local male murdered near La Cabana

Brazilian male murdered by another Brazilian


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 27, 2006, 10:05:12 PM
Okay, here's where we're trying to go. Just emailed this:

The Honorable Robert E. Sorenson
Consul General
P.O. Box 158
J.B. Gorsiraweg 1
Curaçao – The Netherlands Antilles

Re.: Murder and Violent Crime on Aruba

Dear Mr. Sorenson:

I wrote to you on August 11, 2006 (regular mail to the above address). I want to boost my case by providing more information. As mentioned in the letter, I am recording violent incidents reported in non-English publications on Aruba.

(This is not easy. I don't speak Spanish, Dutch, or Papiamento.)

I've attached a Word document that provides details for most incidents. You can also go to the following link, which is an internet forum page that focuses on Murder & Crime on Aruba. I am "msmarple" there; most translations come from this resource:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=0

Found thus far in 2006:

Local female attacked by men wanting her husband’s gun (he’s a police officer)

Tourist female rape attempt

Local 16-yr-old female gang-raped at school; cell phone video placed on internet; parents not filing charges (?!?)

Tourist female bothered by “false police” wanting sex

Male corpse in water

Female corpse in trash pile

Local male murdered (with a machete in restaurant)

Local male murdered (assuming murdered - he was crucified, burned, otherwise mutilated, and overdosed)

Found thus far in 2005:

US ex-pat Harley-Davidson mechanic ruled a suicide

3 locals ruled suicides (including 2 security guards who separately jumped from the same building)

Local female stabbed by boyfriend

Local drug addict shot

Local man partially decapitated allegedly by wife or “companion”

7-yr-old boy’s body recovered (dug up from dunes/rocky area; taped by Aru-Bay 6/2005). An extremely odd incident.

Local “Rasta man” stabbed a local on beach

Natalee Holloway disappeared after leaving C&C's with 3 locals

Local male murdered near La Cabana

Brazilian male murdered by another Brazilian


We have less information for previous years, but are including all cases that we find. Of course we weren't pouring over Aruba publications until recently.

Mr. Sorenson, this starkly represents a difference between what is published for the sake of tourism, and what the reality is on the ground. "One murder in 20 years!" Or, "2.4 murders per year!" From the above list, there were at least six murders in 2005; at least three so far in 2006.

However, my intent is not to wrestle about the crime rate, but to emphasize that  island officials are deliberately obscuring Aruba's crime statistics -- so that the tourists will keep coming.

An overwhelming number of these tourists are from the United States. We have the right to accurate information as we make our out-of-country travel decisions. The State Department is tasked with providing that information - as opposed to echoing local, skewed tourist industry figures.

I submit that manipulation of crime statistics is a serious problem for travelers considering Aruba - one that deserves as stern a travel warning as the U.S. State Department can provide.

Please visit both the internet site, and the attached document.

Thank you so much for your time.

< msmarple redacts name and contact info >

CC:

Senator Richard Shelby (Alabama)
David Wilkison, Associated Press Bureau Chief, District of Columbia U.S.
David Grossman, USAToday Travel Columnist


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 27, 2006, 10:25:08 PM
Posted by msmarple on LCD thread 8/27/2006:

klaasend wrote:
Quote
msmarple - and everyone else who contributed to that [Murder & Crime] thread, excellent job!



Yes - thanks to all who have posted these incidents. I just know there are more ...

I hope we have opened THE can of worms.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 28, 2006, 05:37:03 AM
Thanks mrs. red and San for bringing this one up again --

Tracey Allen, U.S. tourist, attempted assault

“Nine days” before Holloway disappearance, she was walking just after dawn near Fisherman’s Huts. (She has a time share at the Marriott.)  A man wearing only a shirt tried to drag her into his car, which was running. She reported it to the police, gave a description and license number. Never heard back from them. When she heard (re. the Holloway case) that NH had been left near the Fisherman's Huts, she contacted FBI. On March 12, 2006, she went on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby).

http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l --
Rita: You go to the aruban authorities and you don't get any calls back from ALE?

Tracy: No, first time I was contacted the FBI took my statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 when I did the sketch

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

Tracy: I believe he was local, he had an older car, not like a newer rental car that a tourist would have.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 28, 2006, 05:57:04 AM
Posted on LCD by ldstlou 8/27/2006 -- some stats for year 2000, which features NO murders but SIX suicides ...

Quote
Research
C.33.0.0 Number of registered deaths due to transport injuries in the year specified 15 2000 Police Force Aruba

C.34.0.0 Number of registered deaths due to suicide in the year specified 6 2000 Department of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research

C.35.0.0 Number of registered deaths due to homicide in the year specified 0 2000 Department of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research  

I had posted this to Anna awhile back. Only found figures for 2000 but thought it was suspect that "6 suicides" for that year!!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 28, 2006, 09:13:29 AM
About that Aruba reticence to diagnose murder ...

Thanks to Getatrip
http://tinyurl.com/m7qe6

Death aboard a ship seems to be a criminal act
DIARIO Aruba
3/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It seems that in Aruba, authorities immediately ‘guli manda abao’ [swallowed?] the story of the crew members of the ‘Rachel S’ ship, which arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person on board.

There is a big possibility that the crew members ‘played a comedy’ which apparently turned bad, to cover up a possible crime that was committed on board.

The autopsy conducted in Aruba deduced that Bernard Ramsaran, 50 years of age, died of heart failure.

But now, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad & Tobago, has deduced that Bernard died of something more sinister, ‘traumatic asphyxia’, which indicates that [he] was strangled and choked! His death is nothing natural! It is a crime which took place on the high seas and now Interpol is involved.

The question is, how could Aruban authorities not discover this? The Trinidad & Tobago authorities discovered that Bernard’s body even had several marks of violence. Last Saturday, he was buried in his town of Rio Claro.

Interpol’s first mission is to find two of the crew members who possibly ‘lied’ about things turning bad immediately to divert the Aruban authorities who apparently also fell in the trap. Again, a negative light is directed towards Aruba and its police force.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 28, 2006, 09:59:03 AM
http://www.paho.org/English/SHA/prflaru.htm

In the years 1987-1993, one female in the 15-24 age range was murdered.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 28, 2006, 12:39:46 PM
Pan American Health Organization
Special Program for Health Analysis
Core Health Data Initiative

http://www.ops-oms.org.ve/site/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm

Number of registered deaths due to suicide in the year specified:
2   1999   Departament of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research

Number of registered deaths due to homicide in the year specified:   
3   1999   Departament of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 29, 2006, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
What about the 20-something young man found floating off shore soon after the unidentified dead female in the trash pile?  I believe this was reported in Diario.


Per Hotshot - this was a fisherman wrapped in a tarp.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Grande on August 29, 2006, 04:03:32 PM
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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Grande on August 29, 2006, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: "Grande"
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SORRY!~  This is what I was trying to post...

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on August 29, 2006, 05:18:41 PM
ANNA and MSMARPLE:

I have made various notes over the course of the last year or so about strange terminal happenings in Aruba.  Pleae forgive me for not trying to go back and check out each of these to see if you already have them, but I am thinking you know what you have already and go thru this list much faster than I.  The reinventing the wheel thing, you know.

I have given links or whatever I have, but suspect many of the references have disappeared by now.  Here goes.

Juni Tromp knifed to death by C.E. M. on "beach" May 31, 2005.

There was a dead body in a boat reported on the Aruban blogs 6/20/05 but then I can't remember hearing anything further after that about this.

6/21/05, BonDia reported an attempted suicide

6/15/05, 30 year old woman commits suicide

7/30/04  Security guard suicide; see http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/+-580.html

http://www.ops-oms.org.(several letters I can't read cause there is a hole in the paper)ite/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm which listed 2 suicides and 3 homicides

6/21/05, NativeLingo at SM posted re attempted suicide "not mentioned on MSM tonight" but on BonDia.

11/19/05, Sleuth noted personally witnessed aftermath 3 years ago of man jumping from roof of resort, and learned similar had occurred at Hyatt only weeks earlier.

6/15/05 American In Aruba reported "...30 year old woman that has just committed suicide...

Hope the above helps in some way.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 29, 2006, 08:19:35 PM
Thanks Appeals. Couple of new items ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Sleuth on August 30, 2006, 12:37:48 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Deathsnon-naturalcauses.gif)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on August 30, 2006, 12:51:20 PM
I tried to copy these posts from the front page of the blog, but could not cut and paste.

Go to link:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Il3KzHLNeNYJ:www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/19/from-diario-robert-wayne-benson-found-dead-in-aruba/+statistics+deaths+Aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13

and look at comments numbers 12 and 29.  Don't know if these are helpful or not.  Just in case, though.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 30, 2006, 08:22:12 PM
Here is what Appeals links to in the above post:

well about three weeks ago I seen in the Diario a picture of a Aruba laying in the stree dead. About two weeks ago I seen in the Diario a picture of a white man laying on the beach with no shirt on, dead. Now today I see a report in the Diario of a white man found locked in a container dead. Now is this a safe island? Could one of them have known something about what happen to Natalee Holloway?

Comment by s. Hollwoay | November 19, 2005, 10:53 pm



Death is a Part of Life. Even in Aruba people Die Everyday…(Incredible?!?! HUH ??)

1. The guy lying on the Beach commited suicide.

2. About the second guy I do not have information right now. The investigation will have to take its course…

My condolences to families of these two persons…

Comment by Bluesky | November 20, 2005, 12:10 pm


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 30, 2006, 10:11:50 PM
DEM BONES

Hotshsot wants to inlcude the Bottomless Bone Drawer. I don't have good notes on these; ANYBODY ... ???

Bone    07/04/2005   
Reportedly, an Aruban Coastguard Boat went out with several FBI divers to the wild sea on the north of the island. Supposedly there was a tip that NH’s body was dropped in a basket in that area. FBI personnel recovered a bone that resembles part of a human backbone. Bone supposedly was tested.

Bones   Summer 2005   
Two different individuals found bones, reported to Aruba Polis.

I remember that one of the bones found was said to be a donkey bone ... not sure if that refers to any of the above. msmarple.

Bone   07/20/2005 Larry King Live
KING: Dave Holloway, does this at least give you some encouragement at closure?
DAVE HOLLOWAY: Well, for closure, yes, but you know we've had a lot of false hopes and you know maybe this is one that God's given us for closure. But you know, we've had everything from the empty grave to the barrel, to clothing and more clothing, to the bones, you know, and other things. And by the way, I did find out that one of those bones was a human bone, and it had been in there for at least two years. So I hope the authorities are at least searching, you know, for whatever missing person was several years ago.

Bone   08/10/2005 (est.)
Bone washes up on coast of Venezuela; found by dog walking with owner. Local (Venezuela) newspaper says it was a human femur (arm bone) with hand/fingers. A later report from Aruba says it was part of a mannequin; in D. Holloway’s book, he says he was told it was a “Halloween prop.”
Notes:
This finding occurred during the turbulent storm season of 2005.
Disastrous plane crash in Venezuela shortly after this finding.

Klaas - Among your many crowning achievements - Babblefishing (?) your way to the hearts & minds of that Venezuela newspaper for the ORIGINAL story ... possibly you could add the pix here?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: thecuz on August 30, 2006, 10:43:09 PM
just seeing this thread for the first time...just wanted to say...good work...you guys are wonderful...thanks ms,anna,yap,appeals,sleuth and anybody else i may have missed....


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 30, 2006, 11:21:22 PM
Why thank you cuz ...

Below is part of a post on the LCD thread 8/30/2006 --

Quote
the big hammer
Twas BLEACHEDBLACK who brought forward for further review Brian Battjer's "Ikeepa Diary" webshot album re: this indivdual's Aruban vacation during January, 2004. The photo journal provided animates the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named "Ramses", with local "polis chief" in attendance. The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.

The point of the story related shows that deviant behaviors have been part of the Aruban culture for quite some time, in this case dating back to January, 2004.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 30, 2006, 11:42:29 PM
DEM BONES - Update 1

SunFreak2 posted on LCD 8/30/2006:
Arm bones - The still interconnected human bones of a woman’s forearm and hand was found washed-up on the VENEZUELA Las Piedras beach, near the town Punto Fijo (the southwest side of the VENEZELA peninsula nearest to the west coast of ARUBA, about 18 miles away), on 8-10-05.

BTW, it would be a humerus not a femur. Femur is the upper leg.

My bad. Should have left it at "arm bone" ...  :?  msmarple

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SM%20Property/Murder%20and%20Crime%20Aruba/bone0805.jpg)

On 8/30/2006 LCD, Grande points me to this one:
Jennifer Fornaro - While snorkeling on 07/06/2005 about a “half-mile from the Marriott off Arashi beach,“ Fornaro discovered a bone in the ocean that she found “between 2 large rocks.” She describes the bone as being 3.5” to 5.0” long, larger at one end that was rounded “like a bone joint,” gray in color, and still had a “whitish tissue that was still meaty and flesh-like that was still attached to the bone.”


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: thecuz on August 31, 2006, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Why thank you cuz ...

Below is part of a post on the LCD thread 8/30/2006 --

Quote
the big hammer
Twas BLEACHEDBLACK who brought forward for further review Brian Battjer's "Ikeepa Diary" webshot album re: this indivdual's Aruban vacation during January, 2004. The photo journal provided animates the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named "Ramses", with local "polis chief" in attendance. The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.

The point of the story related shows that deviant behaviors have been part of the Aruban culture for quite some time, in this case dating back to January, 2004.




msmarple....this post is what peaked my curiosity....saw your sig line...went to this thread...i knew there had been a lot of shady happenings but it is good to see it compacted and being used to shake things up..... hopefully!!!! :wink:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on August 31, 2006, 12:14:14 PM
I try to get in at least one post a day on the Lively Case Discussion (LCD) thread, and call attention to the sig line ... so others will read and (I hope) have additions or more detail.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on August 31, 2006, 05:34:29 PM
From Diario, October 29, 2005: Sospecho cu por ta trata di un weso humano WESO CU A WORDE HAYA PA TURISTA AWOR TA BAY HULANDA

From the previously discussed story of bones that were found near the Fisherman’s Hut.

It is suspected that it could be a human bone, Bone previously found by a tourist has now gone to Holland

ORANJESTAD (AAN): There has been a lot of criticism about the fact that a tourist found something resembling a human bone on the beach a little to the North of the Fisherman’s Huts and that after handing it over to police…he heard nothing more of it. A few American TV channels questioned this day and night and no one in Aruba wanted to give a response.

There are now details relating to this issue. It is now known that the bone was found around the boat Baboo II in Malmok. Apparently a person discovered the bone and had indications that it could be human.

The discovered bone was handed over to High Commissioner Ronnie Bernadina in connection to the disappearance of the American student, Natalee Holloway.
It is known that for some months there has been an investigation about the location of the American girl. Related to this, there have been a few detention while all of these suspects have now been set free.

The rest of the translation

Hat Tip: Get a Grip


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on August 31, 2006, 05:38:58 PM
From page 3 of the letter sent by the family to ALE (where they asked for the investigators to be replaced)

Art Wood states that Jacobs and Police Chief Dompig discarded potential evidence discovered near the lighthouse: belt and some plastic items. A shoulder bone with meat on it was found near the California lighthouse and discounted by Dennis Jacobs as a donkey bone. Art Wood contends that it is a human bone.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 02, 2006, 01:29:34 PM
This isn't a Murder & Crime post - yet. Will be if/when a plane crashes.

SM Front Page post 9/2/2006. Emphasis added.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/
 
Amigoe: September 1, 2006

The radar that for more than ten years is not in working order forms the main issue of political differences of opinion.

ARUBA – The radar at the airport receives full attention again.  Not because it is going to become operational soon, but because of everything that went wrong since the tender in 1993.  Politicians and air traffic controller Willem Vrolijk (MPA) and Minister Edison Briesen of Tourism and Transport and his party (MEP) are the ones in discussion.    

Willem Vrolijk, chairman of the political part MPA, the former member of OLA and former minister of Transport and Communication, has explained in three detailed statements that the current minister of Tourism and transport, Briesen, ‘still doesn’t understand anything in aviation’.  “I have done more in five months as a minister than Briesen did in five years”, said Vrolijk in an elucidation on his statements.

Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance. The government didn’t want to spend money on that.  “And there was money, because in the 2004 budget year, minister Briesen gave permission to transfer 1.3 million florins from his ministry to Education.”   There was no adjusted salary scheme for air traffic control leaders and this was one of the obstacles for putting the radar into operation.  The negotiations that started in 1995 were never completed.  Vrolijk accuses Briesen of not keeping his promise to fix the matter as soon as possible.

more at link


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: yapperz1 on September 04, 2006, 06:52:07 PM
Here is another pst made by someone who's friend was murdered on Aruba. Don't know the name but maybe it can be found by the particulars & the time frame given.

http://tinyurl.com/mgrqx

Five years ago a childhood friend of my husband was murdered in Aruba, a screwdriver was the weapon. As far as I know the murder was never solved, we were told it was drug related and the murderer was a local boy so the government did not do much of an investigation.

Aruba has no equipment to handle an investigation like a missing person or murder. I can think of many things that the FBI could do that the Aruba police probably never thought to do in this investigation. For one thing a lie detector for the three young men and the father. That would be one way to see if the police were on the right track.

I would like more of a focus put on Carlos and Charlie's Bar, a place that no matter what country, is dangerous. I went once to Carlos & Charlie's in Cancun, the tequila was the star attraction.

A man with a spot light and microphone would go around the room taunting people to take a tequila shot. You could tell the young people could not handle the alcohol and would be staggering out to the street to throw up or pass out. I have never stepped into a Carlos and Charlie's since.

If Natalie Holloway was heavily under the influence of alcohol then she was in no shape to make a rational decision the night she disappeared and the boys took advantage of that. I think in any country we need to know where it is safe to go before we ever leave home. My children will be chaperoned by me when they go on their graduation trip. My children will not be able to drink until they are the age of 21 no matter what country they are visiting.

Will I ever visit Aruba? Probably not, just because of my husband's friend being murdered there, it has never been a place he wanted to visit. If the boys had nothing to do with Natalie's disappearance then why did they lie about dropping her off at her hotel? I hope that Natalie's mom, regardless if they ever find Natalie, decides to come home, she needs to be with family and friends not with strangers.

Ann Graham
Houston, TX


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 04, 2006, 07:18:30 PM
Thanks Yapperz. Interesting, if she's remembering correctly, that would be the only murder we have in 2000 - and we have a stat that shows NO murders, but SIX suicides, in 2000.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 05, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
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MsMarple

Please email me at Anna.bama.bama@gmail.com for more thoughts on this but look what we have started?  They are terrified as well they should be.  This is from the RU forum yesterday.  At least someone is paying VERY close attention to our efforts.

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Glenda Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am    

In their minds, they don't need a contract to sue. Their plan is to sue Aruba for False advertising, even to go as far to say there was not even a small print disclosure at the bottom of the brochure.

They intend to prove the Aruba is dangerous, full of preditors, drug dealers, cooruption, no laws etc.. They think with Full disclosure, they can pull this off. They do not want the docs to find Natalee, they want them as evidence to sue Aruba.

Glenda Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:46 am    

Who'd ever thought you win a lawsuit after spilling hot coffee on yourself!  

I think now days you can even sue Disney if an employee smiles at you crooked.  

They want to take Aruba down!!! Remember how Beth was mad at everything Dutch, she hated the Dutch more than Aruba for a while. Now she is applauding them. Why? Because she is hoping they will come in and expose the "cover-up and corruption" that she needs to use in her lawsuit of "seedy" island of Aruba.

Whether it is valid or not, (she has already proven that validity is not important) she will be able to find a lawyer to file it, get more TV time and continue to CRUSH Aruba with her verbal media strike against Aruba. In turn, promoting her "safe travel foundation". She can ask anyone and everyone who ever had a bad trip to Aruba to sign affidavits to help her. She can leak them to the press!  
 
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They lied and they know they lied and they know it is wrong to lie like they lied.   :wink:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 05, 2006, 09:36:18 PM
Anna - I'll email you ASAP.

But first - Not sure which "they" the refugees reference - but who said anything about suing? Not "this" "they" ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 06, 2006, 12:12:22 AM
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MsMarple,
No one said anything about suing, not this thread and not Beth but the Glenda persona knows that we have the grounds right here in this itty bitty thread and she is fearful that Beth will use this same kind of an argument, maybe even these self same incidents to do just that.

A hit dog hollers so my old Pappy always told me.  They lied.  They know now that we know they lied and can prove it.  Safe island my bazooka!  Aruba recently lost, that would be the Government of Aruba, a $19 million for failure to comply with some agreements for building a racetrack.  So just imagine a lawsuit about portraying the island as safe and then it being discovered what a cesspool of crime it truly is?  I think Beth would have a very valid argument on that and I don't think I have seen Glenda so serious about anything in a very long time.

Our original idea was maybe a travel warning to go along with the boycott but maybe Glenda's idea is not so bad as a sort of little bonus for Natalee's parents just in case they should chose to go that route.  

Just keep up the excellent job you are doing and document as much as you can.  The rumor of one murder in twenty years sounds like something straight out of AHATA to me.  Yes, I have noticed that there are fewer gristly crimes on the front pages of the newspapers these days and suspect they are reported if at all deep inside.  So many crimes, so little time.  I wish we could ask Jossy to help us with this but since it is not in the interest of the island, I doubt he would be willing to do so unless there was a favorable political slant to it which there might be since the opposition party is in power now while all these crimes are happening.

I, too, had started a Word Document but believe yours would be better.  But I do think we should send it to the family just in case they are working on something of this nature, too.  Or want to do so in the future at some time.  

It's not very often you find a government of any nation involved in such a total fabrication with regard to crime and safety and it should be required at the least for Aruba to come clean and tell the truth about this for the safety of future tourist who might be foolish enough to go there expecting safety.

Thank you for all the hard work you have put into this.

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 06, 2006, 10:46:15 AM
Klass posted this at LCD ... which had been posted on the Front Page.

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject:    

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This link was just posted on the front page:

http://tinyurl.com/rngts
30 August, 2006 - Published 21:42 GMT

Crime triggers fear of tourism backlash

St Lucian Prime Minister Kenny Anthony says he has requested the help of Scotland Yard in the investigation into the slaying of a British woman on the island.

British investigators were expected to join local efforts to solve the killing of sixty-one year old Patricia Ann Lee.

Her body was found at the bottom of a cliff in the northern part of the island last week.

Admitting that St Lucia was taking a hard knock from violent crime, Prime Minister Anthony said he'd seen a level of savagery that's unbelievable.

Reputations at stake

Dr Anthony said the cycle of violence in his country was causing a lot of grief, with St Lucia's reputation suffering as well.

Forensic Pathologist Stephen King said an autopsy showed Ms Lee died from a stab wound in the back.

And in Dutch St Maarten, Holland is placing special attention on a crime wave gripping its half of the island it shares with France.

It's putting in place a security plan for the territory.

One of the main concerns highlighted by Dutch Interior Affairs Minister Johan Remkes who has been visiting the Dutch Caribbean is the need for adequate staffing of the local police force.

Mr Remkes said however that Holland did not want to intervene directly as this is principally a matter for the government of the Netherlands Antilles.

A spate of crimes in Dutch St Maarten has been highlighted by several killings, robberies and other violent attacks including one on two homosexual American television producers.

Damage limitation

That high profile incident forced the St Maarten tourism authorities into quick damage control.

Several arrests were subsequently made and the matter is now in court.

The St Maarten police are also proposing to recruit officers from Suriname a former Dutch colony.

Twelve people have been killed so far for this year in St Maarten, a tourism dependent Dutch territory of 16 square miles with a resident population estimated to be over thirty thousand.

The security plan proposed for St Maarten is in addition to a general security plan for the Netherlands Antilles.

Aruba, another tourism dependent island, has had to mount a massive public relations drive following a campaign of negative publicity in the United States, waged by the mother of an American teenager, who has been missing on the island for over a year now.

Outside help

Holland is to take over the investigation into the disappearance of the American teenager, Natalie Holloway.
Aruba, like St Lucia and St Maarten derives most of its tourism from the United States.

Many other countries in the region have seen an upsurge in serious crimes and several have sought assistance from the United Kingdom and the United States in a bid to curb the trend.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 06, 2006, 11:46:38 PM
DEM BONES - Update re. Shoulder Bone

Shizaru - Posted on LCD 9/6/2006

Added to timeline:

July 7 [2005]: Tourist finds what appears to be a shoulder bone with flesh intact, on the beach just south of the California lighthouse area, and turns it in to Noord polis station. About 10 days later the tourist contacts Dave Holloway to inquire as to the results of the find. Dave is unaware that a bone had been found. He contacts the FBI, and the FBI tells him they have heard nothing about it. Further inquiry adds to the confusion: Det. Jacobs says that a donkey bone and a fish bone were found, while another polis investigator says that a human bone was found but that it was too old to have come from Natalee. In August, PI Art Wood asks a third investigator about the bone and is told he is unaware of any bone being found (Family's Nov 4 letter)

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4590.0


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Buckeye on September 09, 2006, 09:45:01 PM
A couple crimes against tourists:

05/03/2005 Wade Ralph (Avg: 4.08 Review) - I snorkeled this site 5 times in 7 days. Lots of fish around rocks, abundant starfish, saw a Moray Eel, lobster, puffer fish early morning. The reefs were sand covered due to Hurricane Ivan last fall. Malmok and Depalm slope best on the island. Beware of theft @ Malmok as my rental car was stolen 4-30-2005 while I snorkeled. They took key out of bag hidden in rocks. Very common per Police.

09/12/2005 Anonymous (Avg: 3.51 Review) - My wife and I are beginner snorkelers and had a great timer at Malmok. We stayed close to shore and saw incredible numbers and diversity of fish. I would rank this site higher than Baby Beach but definitely lower than Boca Catalina and Catalina Cove. Be very cautious with your belongings here and elsewhere on the island. Don't leave anything in your car or any valuables on the beach/rocks. When we checked out the Malmok entry site, we left an inexpensive digital camera in the rental car for 10 minutes. When we returned the window was smashed and the camera gone. Don't get lazy and let your guard down like I did.

http://www.shorediving.com/Earth/ABC/Aruba/Malmok_Beach/index.htm


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 09, 2006, 11:43:42 PM
Thanks Buckeye.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: sharon on September 10, 2006, 08:24:24 AM
Here's an old story -- I didn't see it here yet. If so, please delete (and I apologize).

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/06/combat_jacks_gu_1.html

(snipped)

We arrived on Sunday, scheduled to leave the following Sunday, and every effin day leading up to our last night (Saturday) is effin paradise. Para-sailing, lobsters, drinks, all the shit I mentioned above is going on and I'm praying it doesn't end. Our last night, Saturday, my whole crew is in the casino having a blast and to top things off, I'm up by like $2,000 at the Roulette table. This was our version of boy's night out (nhjic) as our chicks were all in the hotel getting dolled up for dinner later on that evening. Man, we're all smoking cigars, drunk and shit, joking like lil bitches (no homo Juelz Santana) and after me placing like 35 chips on 8 (my lucky number) six effin Arubians (what the eff do you call em?) RUN IN THE EFFIN CASINO WITH SKI MASKS ON, ALL TOTING AK-47'S AND DEMANDING THAT WE ALL GET ON THE FLOOR!!!

Now I have never claimed to be gully, (even though I've witnessed some gully shit here in good ole U.S. of A.) but I vividly recall getting instantly sobered up and feeling real shook up under that Roulette Table. My boy Matt from Harlem (now he's gully) is all up under the very same table with about 9 other sobered up tourists, the whole effin place is silent and some bitches around the room are sobbing about how these Arubians are about to execute the whole effin lot of us gangland style. Meanwhile, my sorry ass is busy trying to stuff all my cash and Rolex watch in my socks. The gunmen are screaming out some eff'd up demands in their eff'd up language that I in no way understand, and I'm thinking that if I get murdered, it's all because I don't understand Arubian (or whatever type of eff'd up Dutch those people speak). What these gunmen came to do was they came in, pulled out the heat, and went straight to the cashier's gate, kept us all subdued at gunpoint, and cleared out everything from the Casino's cash registers and vaults (or wherever casinos generally keep their stash). After about 10 minutes, dudes got what they wanted and broke the f*** out, leaving everyone the eff alone. When we realized that dudes had broke out, we all warily got up from the tables, and when I stood up and looked at the Roulette table, I realized that my number 8 had hit with that stack of 35 chips up on it!!!! Being the true business man that I am, I demanded that I receive my winnings, cashed my shit and summarily got the eff up out of there.
(snipped)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 10, 2006, 01:19:50 PM
Hi Sharon, Thanks. I read at the link you provided and wanted to add this last paragraph of "Combat Jack's" account:

<snip>
The next day, on our way to the airport, our driver tells us that the gunmen from the night before went on a spree and cleaned out five other casinos before getting caught and all murdered dead by gunshot wounds inflicted by the local authorities. When I heard about Natalee Hollaway's disappearance last week, I knew that if that chick encountered any of the thuggish elements we did, she is in no way longer with us. As for Aruba, I'd rather take my chances with gully ass Jamaica, at least I can understand what the eff those rude bwoys are saying.
<end snip>

The dated posted on the link is June 23 2005. That doesn't give us a clue as to when Combat Jack's incident happened, but it is clear that it was before Natalee's disappearance. In the chronological list I'm keeping, I'll put that as the "date posted."


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 11, 2006, 01:06:31 PM
Found this in a 6/14/2005 USAToday story --

<snip>
Detailed crime statistics are hard to come by: In 2003, the most recent year with available data, there were 4,236 crimes, though no specifics on those against tourists. According to Aruba's attorney general, five homicides were reported last year. But police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995, says Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics.
<snip>


I interpret this as implying 5 homicides in 2004.


Title: Theft
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 12, 2006, 11:03:20 AM
Traveler rating:
Palm/Eagle Beach: Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club: "Thefts common in Aruba hotels (Marriott Resort)"
Jun 7, 2005: A TripAdvisor Member, New Jersey


This was our first time to Aruba- we stayed at the Marriott Ocean Club.

Within 2 hours of checking in, someone had broken into our room from the rear window (between 7-9pm, which was still daylight), and stolen my laptop, video camera, and other items. The path behind the window was certainly not "lonely", so how could someone know which room to break into and walk out with the stuff raises serious doubts about the hotel staff.

When the front desk was alerted about this, it seemed like this was a common occurrence- they took their time calling security, very casual about the incident, and we never saw the hotel manager at all.

Later on, we learnt that several of my friends had their cars broken into in Aruba, and hotel staff said that thefts were common in Aruba.

I decided to write about my incident when I also read in the news about the missing American teenager in Aruba this week.

So, please be VERY careful about your belongings. It is safer to be on the higher floors of the hotel and not the ground floor to avoid people breaking into your room from the window or balcony (if they can break into Marriott hotels in broad daylight, what is to prevent them from coming in with a knife later in the night)?

A bit about the hotel (Marriott Ocean Club):

The hotel is nice, but the hotel staff needs a serious lesson in manners. They are rude beginning from the people at the entrance to the people at the front desk. Their attitude is one of arrogance, and I suspect they know that once a tourist comes there, they really have no option but to finish their stay there.

All/most rooms are "ocean view", and there is a big difference in "ocean view" and "ocean front". If you can lean out of your room and see the ocean, well, that is "ocean view". So it would be wise to drop your expectations of "facing the ocean" from an "ocean view" room.

http://tinyurl.com/gmde6


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 12, 2006, 11:53:15 AM
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject:    

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SunFreak - In your post on LCD thread 9/10/2006, you say:

Quote:
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Woman attacked at Hadacurari Beach fisherman's huts week prior to Natalee's disappearance  


Is this the Tracy Allen incident? Because we have included that one, saying at Fisherman's Huts, and my assumption is the "Marriott" huts (because she had a time share at Marriott).

So is this a separate incident - at Hadacurari Beach? (Which I'm afraid is a whole new place name for me.)

Thank you. If it's a separate incident, can you post whatever you have about it?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 12, 2006, 11:55:07 AM
Oh, and thanks, 2NJSons_Mom.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 12, 2006, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject:    

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SunFreak - In your post on LCD thread 9/10/2006, you say:

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Woman attacked at Hadacurari Beach fisherman's huts week prior to Natalee's disappearance  


Is this the Tracy Allen incident? Because we have included that one, saying at Fisherman's Huts, and my assumption is the "Marriott" huts (because she had a time share at Marriott).

So is this a separate incident - at Hadacurari Beach? (Which I'm afraid is a whole new place name for me.)

Thank you. If it's a separate incident, can you post whatever you have about it?


On 9/12/2006, SunFreak2 posted this on the Lively Case Discussion (LCD):

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MsMarple - Hadicurari is the name of the beach where the fisherman's huts are located just north of the Marriott Resort. That incident would be the same as the Tracy Allen incident.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 13, 2006, 11:43:36 AM
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Now this is interesting.  The original article at USAToday has had the sentence stating one murder in the last twenty years replaced with the following:

>>Many people say they feel safe when traveling. But our sense of "safe" is often distorted by media coverage (or the lack of it) and distance, according to Tarlow. For example, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gained worldwide attention and caused a decline in visitors to Aruba, even though it is the safest island in the Caribbean with only a handful of murders each year.<<

Oh, so now it is only a handful each year??  Well with their population between 77,000 and 100,000 that handful gives them quite the crime rate.  Going from one in the last twenty years to several  or a handful each year is a big, big jump.

Now in the original article this is cited as the source for that ridiculous figure of one in the last twenty years as:

>>Which city is more dangerous: Baghdad or Caracas, Venezuela? If your answer is Caracas, you are correct according to Dr. Peter E. Tarlow, an expert in crime, terrorism, and risk management in the travel industry. Though similar in population, Baghdad is on pace to have 7,000 murders this year, while 15,000 will be killed in Caracas.<<

Dr. Peter E. Tarlow it seems is the "expert" who makes such statements.  He would have been more accurate to have said twenty in one year, unfortunately.

Perhaps this Dr. Tarlow could benefit from a bit of information as Grossman told me in an email which I can't find at the moment that this expert provides information for our government agencies as well as travel industry.  You'd think he would bother to get his facts a little closer than one in twenty years.

I will do a google of him and see what I can find this afternoon soon as I have time for he does seem to be a person who has tremendous influence but is using it to continue the propaganda put out by the ATA and Aruban government instead of finding out the truth of the matter.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 13, 2006, 02:04:49 PM
Anna - I tried to post on Page 8 of LCD last night that I had found contact information for Dr. Tarlow. (But that's the page that went bad on us - hope it wasn't ME ... I posted the link to the web site I found.)

I have just mailed and emailed a 3-page epistle to him which I will post shortly.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 13, 2006, 02:24:09 PM
Letter to Dr. Tarlow
(emphasis added)

September 13, 2006


Dr. Peter E. Tarlow
Tourism & More Inc.
1218 Merry Oaks
College Station, Texas, 77840-2609, USA.

Re. Aruba – Crime and Tourism

Dear Dr. Tarlow:

I am among many individuals who have followed the Natalee Holloway disappearance on Aruba – I am sure you are familiar with the subject. I read and post on several internet forums, primarily http://www.scaredmonkeys.net .

You came to my attention because of a column by David Grossman, a travel writer for USAToday. The original column subsequently has been edited (due, I think, to reaction from folks like me), but I believe he quoted you to the effect that Aruba had “one murder in 20 years”. (Or perhaps it was “one homicide investigation in 20 years”.) Here is a link to the column as it now stands; notice the Editors Note at the beginning, and the current reference to “a handful of murders a year,” which is not the original wording:
http://tinyurl.com/mg6ju

As a result of that original “1 in 20” statement, at the “scared monkeys” site, we began a new thread called Murder & Crime Rate in Aruba. We are collaborating on a list of murders and other violent crimes that have occurred there. Here is a link to that discussion:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=0

I also have listed most of the incidents in an MS Word document, in chronological order.

Our purpose is to show that Aruba deliberately and officially obscures violent crimes in the interest of tourism. For example, we believe that at least seven (7) murders (counting Miss Holloway) occurred in 2005. For the population, that’s considerably higher than the ratio touted to the travel industry – “one in 20 years,” “2.4 per year” are figures I have read.

And more important, we believe that the deception alone constitutes good reason for Aruba to be on the U.S. State Department travel warning list. Because what it means is that if serious harm comes your way, local Law Enforcement -- with official blessing – will try to write that incident off as a suicide, accident, or other non-nefarious cause. Unless there’s relentless pressure from the victim’s family and a media blitz, they’ll get away with it.

As recently as Spring 2006, the Polis Chief stated that he believed Miss Holloway died from an accidental, self-induced overdose. He did not speculate as to what she then did with her corpse.

Dr. Tarlow, you can imagine how difficult it is to pull this information together. We are trying to read online versions of local newspapers, but none of them are in English – Dutch, Papiamento, and Spanish are the local languages. (If you have ever tried “babblefish” or similar as a translator, you know what we’re going through … especially with Papiamento, which is the language for Diario, which has the largest circulation.) We only began this particular endeavor recently, and back issues are not readily available to us.

We initially only were looking for reported murders, but lately are suspicious about suicides, accidents, and other seemingly non-nefarious deaths. We have a recent Diario article suggesting that some cases deemed to be suicides during the last 20 years may have been due to foul play.
 
Diario 1/6/2006 article (excerpts):
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High Command in Holland wants to conduct DNA tests on all suicide victims
 
Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case.


Here is a recent example: on April 5, 2006, a man’s body was found near a cave. His body was crucified, burned, and otherwise unspeakably mutilated. This death was ruled a suicide, but “evidence has been sent to Holland for testing”. Admittedly I have not seen an outcome, but “evidence to Holland” has become an ominous joke to followers of the Holloway case. Meanwhile – what about the timely investigation that should have been underway?

Amigoe June 8 2006 article (excerpts):
Quote
ARUBA — Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of overdoses cocaine.  At this moment, the Public Prosecutor (OM) does not have evidence that the 25-year old man that was found dead in the vicinity of the Guadirikiri cave on April 5th was murdered.  Four suspects have been arrested and the examining magistrate has prolonged the custody of one of them with 8 days.
On Tuesday, Pitbull’s widow and her mother had talked with the district attorney, who leads the investigation on the death of Djoegan.  The OM does not comment on the contents of this conversation.  All they said was that in order to determine the cause of death, they had to send tests to the Netherlands.  The family was informed that Pitbull was not murdered, but had an amount of cocaine in his body.  There is a possibility that he was forced to take the drug. The OM is also investigating the relation between the cause of death and the fact that Djoegan was found burned and crucified.


We have another article re. a ship passenger who died on board. When the ship docked at Aruba, an autopsy suggested that death was due to natural causes. But when the body was returned to the man’s home country, another autopsy revealed that he had been strangled, and that there were visible indications of violence. The good news is that as a High Seas death, Interpol is investigating. The bad news is that, partly as a result of Aruba’s misdiagnosis, precious time was wasted. I am betting that the ship and/or its crew are closely connected to Aruba.

Diario 3/20/2006 article (excerpts):
Quote
ORANJESTAD (AAN): It seems that in Aruba, authorities immediately ‘guli manda abao’ [swallowed?] the story of the crew members of the ‘Rachel S’ ship, which arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person on board.
There is a big possibility that the crew members ‘played a comedy’ which apparently turned bad, to cover up a possible crime that was committed on board.
The autopsy conducted in Aruba deduced that Bernard Ramsaran, 50 years of age, died of heart failure.
But now, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad & Tobago, has deduced that Bernard died of something more sinister, ‘traumatic asphyxia’, which indicates that [he] was strangled and choked! His death is nothing natural! It is a crime which took place on the high seas and now Interpol is involved.
The question is, how could Aruban authorities not discover this? The Trinidad & Tobago authorities discovered that Bernard’s body even had several marks of violence.


There is every indication that corruption is entrenched at high and low levels of government. “Recreational” drugs are illegal on Aruba, but are available in abundance and overlooked. According to the C.I.A. World Factbook, Aruba is a “transit point for US- and Europe-bound narcotics with some accompanying money-laundering activity.” (Drugs are not illegal in Holland.) Now, drug availability may be a reason for some tourists to choose Aruba. But drug traffic on this scale, combined with the casinos, invites criminal activity.

Don’t get me started on the prostitution, pornography and sex-slave angles (including child porn). Suffice it to say that many are convinced that this is what happened to Miss Holloway. They compare her to cruise passenger Amy Bradley, who some believe to have been abducted into the sex industry.

The clubs and casinos do not enforce age restrictions re. alcohol and gambling, for tourists or locals. When high school kids are gambling away a few hundred dollars, and spending maybe $25-$50 on alcohol, several nights a week, one wonders where their money is coming from. They seem to roam the clubs and casinos in packs; some don’t even have a driver’s license yet.

All of this -- on an island of less than 100,000 population. While people like to compare the U.S. crime rate to that of Aruba (which is whatever Aruba decides to say it is), I suggest that a comparison between a U.S. city of 100,000 and Aruba gives a clearer picture – plus the U.S. city has many layers of help available to investigate a serious crime.

Although I am not expert as to Aruba’s political standing, I perceive that it is more than less independent from The Netherlands (unlike Bonaire and Curaçao). There is no pressure, martial law, FBI or similar outside intervention available.

However, Aruba does owe Holland a huge sum of money. If so inclined, Holland could conceivably leverage itself into a house-cleaning on Aruba.

Those who dismiss the Natalee Holloway story as “another missing white girl” have no idea what reality is on the ground in Aruba. This is NOT like most media sensations. The investigation was inept by any country’s law enforcement standards, but Aruba neither acknowledges that or attempts to correct it. Further, I think as much official energy has been expended trashing the victim and her family, as on the investigation.

I do not believe that you, as a professional with good reputation and integrity, can ignore the many things that are very wrong on that one happy island. U.S. travelers may still choose to go to Aruba, but if they perform due diligence and read from sources such as yourself, please don’t give them the wrong impression.

I am emailing as well as postal mailing this to you. The Word document I mentioned is attached to the email but not enclosed in the postal mailing. I also suggest you visit the “Murder & Crime” thread at the internet site; here is that link again:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=0

Sincerely,

<msmarple redacts personal contact information>

mailed and emailed to: tourism@bihs.net


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 13, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
This probably is of no use, but it did catch my eye:

#30
LVA
June 9, 2005
05:09 PMi heird that this is not the first time that ms. halloway did something like this. no parents will say that there daughter is a bad girl.

and the carlos and charlies secuirety tape say that she was drinking and when she was in the car in front of the place she wave to her friend.

i think she is alive and hidding.

and also in aruba it's not LEGAL for prostitution but there are a place for it. just like in USA.

last year their was only 2 murder cases that is the max that can happen on this island.
but if something did she is still alive that the trued.

also no boat can enter or exit aruba with out a checking because the new radar they put and if they exit without checking the coast guard wil automaticaly stop them.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:C3E4fNvDqgUJ:blogcritics.org/archives/2005/06/09/103634.php+Aruba+girl%27s+drink+boat&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 13, 2006, 06:57:07 PM
On August 06 , 2005 - 6:28 pm  
sarah Said:



Ive gone to aruba too, its fun they have the best drugs there, and the coke is good. One time i was at this bar and i had so much to drink i stumbled out of the bar and fell a few times everyone saw and nobody cared. I heard a girl screaming on the beach that night and a few guys left in a silver car shortly after. oh well i cant wait to go back to aruba and get messed up again. good times.


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:uzpqysdaPXYJ:justagirlintheworld.com/2005/06/30/aruba/+Aruba+girl%27s+drink+boat&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=50


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 13, 2006, 07:55:35 PM
Do you already have this?

"mic730

I thought of Bernard Ramsaran's family being told he died of heart failure in Aruba only to have it ruled a murder after they paid for a private autopsy in their country just a few months ago.

I don't trust ALE or their ME.

snippet:
An initial autopsy in Aruba on the body of Bernard Ramsaran, 59, concluded that he died of heart failure. A second autopsy done at the request of his family ...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=144399597
"


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 13, 2006, 11:37:21 PM
February, 2006, Murder in Aruba of Bernard Ramsaran

 
 FULL STORY
 
Interpol agents on murder case
Richard Charan rcharan@trinidadexpress.com
Monday, March 20th 2006
   
   
   Local homicide officers have contacted Interpol to help them find two men they hope can help solve the strange case of a Rio Claro man who was invited to the United States, but who ended up in Jamaica and died in Aruba.

An initial autopsy in Aruba on the body of Bernard Ramsaran, 59, concluded that he died of heart failure.

A second autopsy done at the request of his family found something more sinister - traumatic asphyxia - which indicated he was strangled.

Ramsaran's family declined to speak to the Daily Express yesterday.

However, investigators were told that in early February Ramsaran, of Agostini Road, Rio Claro, was contacted by a friend with whom he worked aboard a ship five years ago.

The friend reportedly offered Ramsaran a job in Texas. Ramsaran left the country, but on February 5, called his family from Jamaica to say he would be returning to Trinidad by sea.

On Carnival Sunday, a caller from Aruba contacted Ramsaran's family to say he had died and asked for two family members to come to the island to identify the body.

The family reported declined but an autopsy was done.

Ramsaran's body was returned to Trinidad on March 4, and an autopsy paid for by the family was done.

The finding was traumatic asphyxia and unnatural death.

The family reported the findings to police.

Ramsaran's body was found to have several marks of violence. He was buried on Saturday after a funeral at his home.

San Fernando Hom-icide Bureau officers are investigating.
 
 

 
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=144399597


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 13, 2006, 11:45:56 PM
.
Appeals,

This is a perfect example of what we are looking for and talking about with regard to Aruba employing total deceit to maintain their false image of being crime free.

Here is yet another example of Aruba calling a murder a death by natural causes.

I do not believe we have this one, do we MsMarple.  I can't believe they tried it again!!  Well, now I am thinking you should send your information to Interpol as well as Dr. Tarlow!!  They are involved in this cover up so perhaps they are on to Aruba as well.

Appeals, if you see this, I think because of the Interpol involvement, you should post this to the Lively as well.

This is a horrific thing they have done to this man and his family and should be exposed to the fullest possible.  I wonder if Red would do a FP article on it.  

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 02:02:07 AM
Anna & Appeals -
We do already have Mr. Ramsaran's story; it's on page 3 of this thread, and I have included it in several of the letters I'm working on. I got it from Getagrip's site, which had a translation from Diario 3/20/2006.
 
(I need to tell Klaas to edit a typo there - I called it "Getatrip" instead of "Getagrip" ...  :? just noticed tonight.)

(Anna, your's looks like a different publication; probably from his home.)

Appeals -

Re. your post 9/13/2006 at 5:22 pm - poor deluded soul; thinks that new radar actually works ...

Re. your post from "Sarah" - methinks she's an attention seeker?

Thanks folks - keep 'em coming.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 03:58:32 AM
Found this at Blogs for Natalee (BFN):

7 Jan, 2006,
ORANJESTAD - an American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday and explained afterwards that they had chosen to Aruba on holiday to go in spite of the bulletins in several media which it would be here not safe. The Americans victim had become of a overval, where the robbers thousand dollars, credit card and the drivers license of the man buitmaakten. The victims were treated brutally with violence and incurred thereby light wounds. The overvallers went there with the booty vandoor in a grey private car. A witness of happening followed the carriage, but could not him keep up because of the enormously high speed of the vehicle.
Amigoe.com

Gene
http://www.hopefornatalee.us/blog/view_category.one?cat=271


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 04:25:30 AM
From BFN, re. Amy Bradley case (excerpts):

Tom Flocco.com
http://tomflocco.com/


Caribbean sex-trafficking threatens women on vacation
Date: Saturday, June 11 @ 02:04:42 EDT
Topic: Travel Safety

by Tom Flocco

The presence of numerous unregulated and unrestricted "gypsy boats" sailing in and out of Aruba and Curacao’s ports to market produce and "other commodities" from the South American mainland [some 19 miles to Colombia and 35 miles to Venezuela] provides the means to abduct women--even as high-speed Colombian cigarette boat drug-runners also ply Caribbean island waters and seaports heavily frequented by American families.
 
Iva Bradley, mother of Chesterfield, Virginia’s Amy Lynn Bradley--missing from the Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas cruise ship off Aruba since 1998 and last seen in a house of prostitution by a U.S. Navy petty officer on the nearby island of Curacao in 1999--was interviewed Thursday by MSNBC host Dan Abrams.

"We came to find out that the same bar [Aruba’s Carlos and Charlie’s] that they [three men on her ship] wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in." (MSNBC, 6-9-2005)

CNN reporter Brian Todd told host Suzanne Malveaux that the Bradleys said "crew members on the ship [Royal Caribbean’s Rhapsody of the Seas] were hitting on Amy and wanted to take her to a bar on Aruba." (CNN Wolf Blitzer Reports, 6-10-2005)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 04:35:31 AM
Whytegirl translated this for Ricardo Diaz (I grabbed it from BFN - excerpt):

Dear friends,

I am an investigative journalist. I am Puerto Rican, that is the reason for my bad english, but this is important and I want to be very clear because at this point anything new could help Natalee an his family, and that is the reason I address this letter. I prefer to write it in spanish and Mrs. Twitty please make sure you get someone to translate this information, hoping that I can be of some help.

Ricardo Diaz
_____________

Dear Mrs. Beth Twitty,

During my investigations in the past I could uncover that the island of Aruba was being used by the Colombian drug cartels for several uses. Some of the leaders of these cartels found Aruba as a place to live, because they felt safe in an environment of tourism where there is no police and they did not intervene with tourists either.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 01:03:06 PM
The Tracy Allen sketch strongly resembles Steve Croes' friend "Jerry."

The sketch is on Page 2 of this thread.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 01:58:08 PM
Probably posting in the wrong place, but found this as a locked site on the official Interpol website.  Is there any way we could unlock it to see what Aruba has officially going with Interpol?

Exchange of Good Practices visits in Nassau (Bahamas) and Oranjestad (Aruba)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 01:59:55 PM
SUFFOCATION -A CRIME IN ARUBA?
Autopsy Father Montoya revealed suffocation
CURACAO – Autopsy has revealed this
morning that Father Alejandro Montoya of the
Bonam Church died from suffocation.
That is definitely a crime and there are no
suspects yet. WHAT ELSE IS NEW!!!
In the interest of the investigation, the
authorities do not want to release any details,
only that they are going all-out on solving
this case.
“We are on top of it. You better believe it”,
said police commissioner Marlon Wernet.
“And all tips from the community are
extremely welcome. It doesn’t matter how
little the information is.”
Montoya was found in his bed under a blanket
yesterday morning, with a pillow next to his
head, his hands tied up and his mouth taped
up, even though the latter is not confirmed
nor denied. The police found several tracks
that are now being analyzed. The assault
itself had probably taken place in the evening.
Shortly after the body was found, the police
also found Montoya’s car on Seru Cocori and
confiscated it for investigation of the tracks.
The authorities released Montoya’s body
after the autopsy.
There will be a memorial service for him this
coming Saturday.
The body will afterwards be flown to his native
country Colombia to be buried.
WELL DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH GUYS!!

THEY STILL CAN'T FIND
NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

http://tinyurl.com/ovk9j


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Appeals,

This is a perfect example of what we are looking for and talking about with regard to Aruba employing total deceit to maintain their false image of being crime free.

Here is yet another example of Aruba calling a murder a death by natural causes.

I do not believe we have this one, do we MsMarple.  I can't believe they tried it again!!  Well, now I am thinking you should send your information to Interpol as well as Dr. Tarlow!!  They are involved in this cover up so perhaps they are on to Aruba as well.

Appeals, if you see this, I think because of the Interpol involvement, you should post this to the Lively as well.

This is a horrific thing they have done to this man and his family and should be exposed to the fullest possible.  I wonder if Red would do a FP article on it.  

.


ANNA, after reading on down in the thread, I am not too sure if your comments are now moot, or if you think this should still be done.

By the way, I think I blew the margins above, and if so, I humbly ask forgiveness of all of you who are working on this so hard and our dear Klaas.  :oops:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 02:23:29 PM
Aruba capital Orangecity, Sonesta Hotel, murdercase Poly Pantev
9 March 2001 was in the lobby of the Sonesta Hotel in Oranjestad capital city (Aruba) Poly Pantev (39) shot and killed, he had been Bulgaria's most important drugdealer. After his death part of his business is taken over by Kiril Kiril Tzvetkov, he had once been close to Pantev.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:87P8NRmhs34J:www.eboards4all.com/
398585/messages/987.html+Interpol+murder
+Aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=37


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: SunFreak2 on September 14, 2006, 02:52:54 PM
I remember 2 more but do not have the specifics:

1) young American boy around age 11 who was vacationing in Aruba with his family.  Went out in boat with an Aruban man, and was never seen again.  The Aruban claimed the boy fell overboard, but no body was ever found and the case was not investigated.  There is a tribute website on the Internet for the boy.

2) Remember the story of the American Doctor who sent his young ex-wife to Aruba with her friends?  This supposedly occurred the same week that Natalee went missing. One of the friends got mixed up with the wrong people, and 2 men threatened them to "pay up." The male friend fled the island, leaving behind the blonde who looked like Natalee.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 02:54:28 PM
From Debbie's Caribbean Travel Forums, I found this, but not sure if it says what I think it might.  What do you guys think?

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 03:10:19 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I remember 2 more but do not have the specifics:

1) young American boy around age 11 who was vacationing in Aruba with his family.  Went out in boat with an Aruban man, and was never seen again.  The Aruban claimed the boy fell overboard, but no body was ever found and the case was not investigated.  There is a tribute website on the Internet for the boy.

2) Remember the story of the American Doctor who sent his young ex-wife to Aruba with her friends?  This supposedly occurred the same week that Natalee went missing. One of the friends got mixed up with the wrong people, and 2 men threatened them to "pay up." The male friend fled the island, leaving behind the blonde who looked like Natalee.


Hi Sun, I ran across the posting about the second one just yesterday but did not take it all that seriously.  Maybe my bad.  At least I think it is the same one.  Should I try to find it again?  His post said something about the intention was to murder him and rape and murder the girl.  

I am not familiar with the first one.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: SunFreak2 on September 14, 2006, 03:33:52 PM
MURDERED IN ARUBA, MARCH 2001

Bulgarian drug boss  and boss of the SIC insurance company, Poli Pantev.  He was planning to have plastic surgery and live under an
assumed identity on the island, "Troud" says, quoting a source close
to the police in Aruba.  He tried to con the international cocaine
Mafia by stealing 500 kg of the drug and selling it dirt cheap.

http://www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv ... rl=news/2001-03/text/mar22.bta


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2006, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: "Appeals"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I remember 2 more but do not have the specifics:

1) young American boy around age 11 who was vacationing in Aruba with his family.  Went out in boat with an Aruban man, and was never seen again.  The Aruban claimed the boy fell overboard, but no body was ever found and the case was not investigated.  There is a tribute website on the Internet for the boy.

2) Remember the story of the American Doctor who sent his young ex-wife to Aruba with her friends?  This supposedly occurred the same week that Natalee went missing. One of the friends got mixed up with the wrong people, and 2 men threatened them to "pay up." The male friend fled the island, leaving behind the blonde who looked like Natalee.


Hi Sun, I ran across the posting about the second one just yesterday but did not take it all that seriously.  Maybe my bad.  At least I think it is the same one.  Should I try to find it again?  His post said something about the intention was to murder him and rape and murder the girl.  

I am not familiar with the first one.


We have the first one. The second one - we don't have.

We also had the Bulgarian who was shot in an elevator.

Re. the priest who was found dead in his bed - Curacao isn't Aruba ... or to put that another way, I don't think we should start adding the B & C islands to the A island's crimes ...  :wink:  Although I may be missing something; are y'all saying he WAS on Aruba when this happened?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 14, 2006, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Appeals"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I remember 2 more but do not have the specifics:

1) young American boy around age 11 who was vacationing in Aruba with his family.  Went out in boat with an Aruban man, and was never seen again.  The Aruban claimed the boy fell overboard, but no body was ever found and the case was not investigated.  There is a tribute website on the Internet for the boy.

2) Remember the story of the American Doctor who sent his young ex-wife to Aruba with her friends?  This supposedly occurred the same week that Natalee went missing. One of the friends got mixed up with the wrong people, and 2 men threatened them to "pay up." The male friend fled the island, leaving behind the blonde who looked like Natalee.


Hi Sun, I ran across the posting about the second one just yesterday but did not take it all that seriously.  Maybe my bad.  At least I think it is the same one.  Should I try to find it again?  His post said something about the intention was to murder him and rape and murder the girl.  

I am not familiar with the first one.


We have the first one. The second one - we don't have.

We also had the Bulgarian who was shot in an elevator.

Re. the priest who was found dead in his bed - Curacao isn't Aruba ... or to put that another way, I don't think we should start adding the B & C islands to the A island's crimes ...  :wink:  Although I may be missing something; are y'all saying he WAS on Aruba when this happened?


Re the Priest -- you are right, Curacao is not Aruba, and the first line is what captured my attention, but could not figure out if there was any connection to Aruba.  This was the only thing I found that had Aruba connected to it.  So probably should have Klaas delete it?  I have no problem with that.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: SunFreak2 on September 14, 2006, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: msmarple
Quote from: "Appeals"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
I remember 2 more but do not have the specifics:

1) young American boy around age 11 who was vacationing in Aruba with his family.  Went out in boat with an Aruban man, and was never seen again.  The Aruban claimed the boy fell overboard, but no body was ever found and the case was not investigated.  There is a tribute website on the Internet for the boy.

2) Remember the story of the American Doctor who sent his young ex-wife to Aruba with her friends?  This supposedly occurred the same week that Natalee went missing. One of the friends got mixed up with the wrong people, and 2 men threatened them to "pay up." The male friend fled the island, leaving behind the blonde who looked like Natalee.


Hi Sun, I ran across the posting about the second one just yesterday but did not take it all that seriously.  Maybe my bad.  At least I think it is the same one.  Should I try to find it again?  His post said something about the intention was to murder him and rape and murder the girl.  

I am not familiar with the first one.


We have the first one. The second one - we don't have.
quote]

Sorry if this is redundant.  This is the forst one and I don't believe I saw it posted.

On November 14, 2005 DETROIT, MICHIGAN TV channel 7 “WXYZ” reported:

<QUOTE>

Michigan Teen Missing in Aruba

For two months 7 Action News has been investigating the disappearance of boy from Brighton.

Now the FBI is getting involved to find out what happened to a young teen on the island of Aruba.

Police in Aruba say Max Devrees’ disappearance was just an accident. But Action News has learned the FBI is now stepping in to investigate this case because it might be much more than just an innocent mystery in Aruba.

The inviting ocean and sandy beaches of Aruba have proven dangerous for an American more than once recently.

The world knows about Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in southern Aruba.

But another young teenager, from Brighton, Michigan also vanished without a trace in Aruba. His name was Max Devrees.

Yvonne Devries took 14-year-old Max and his younger sister to Aruba in May of 2004. She wanted them to spend some healing family time together following the death of her husband.

"I want to find out if this was truly an accident. Was my son set up to be taken in Aruba? Was I followed and stalked and my son purposely targeted? We went there as basically a memorial service, privately for the family, in honor of their dad," said Yvonne.

At their hotel the Devrees family ended up hanging out with another hotel guest. He was a fellow American, 56-year-old David Stacey Sr.

Stacey offered to pay for Max to rent a wave runner so they could go out on the water together.

"Max was jumping up and down, really excited, let me go, let me go. And I did," said Yvonne.

That was the last time she would see her son.

"They didn’t come back in 45 minutes. They didn’t come back in an hour. Pretty much immediately, I had that sinking feeling something was wrong," explained Yvonne.

The police launched a massive ocean search. After several hours they rescued Stacey about four miles off the coast, but Max was never found.

According to Aruba police reports obtained by Action News, Stacey told police Max’s wave runner stopped working. He said he tried to tow Max’s watercraft, but that stranded both machines.

Back on land Stacey told police Max somehow slipped away. But Stacey’s story seems to change, depending on who he spoke to.

In one police interview, Stacey said, "Max started swimming towards shore."

But Yvonne said he told her something entirely different, "He said, 'I heard a thump and Max was floating away.' I said, 'was he hurt?' 'Well, I don't know, that was our said agreement between the two of us, to save our energy.' 'What do you mean an agreement?' If it was your son, floating away, you would yell out to him, are you okay?"

But in his first interview with police, Stacey told detectives he didn’t have an agreement with Max.

Stacy also told police, "I do not remember if I called [out to] Max. I don’t think I did."

But in another statement 2 days later, Stacey said, "I called out to [Max], but he did not answer."

Corey Williams is a Michigan detective who is helping Yvonne learn the truth about what happened to Max.

He said the statements to the police don’t add up, "The minute I started reading, I started seeing what I would describe as glaring inconsistencies."

Williams is also concerned about how quickly the Aruban police closed out the case without digging further into Stacey’s background.

"It appears to me that there could possibly be foul play involved. It definitely appears to me that there needs to be more investigation done," said Williams.

In the Aruban police reports, David Stacey Sr. told detectives that he did not kill or do anything to hurt Max.

As for the Aruba police, they have not returned our phone calls to tell us why they closed their case so quickly.

Yvonne wants someone to find out how and why her son vanished, "Whatever you hold dear to you, just make sure you really realize what you do have, make sure you treasure it everyday, because when you wake up, you don’t know if that’s going to be your last day with them."

<END QUOTE>


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2006, 09:26:21 AM
This was posted by Appeals on the LCD on 9/14/2006. I am including it because of a previous post here that quoted about the boat/radar tracking.

"Boats On Parade In Aruba


By Meri Ulrich
Mar. 31, 2006

During his little show on "48 Hours", Gerald Dompig showed the audience some computer screens that are housed at the police department where he conducts his business. We saw boats being tracked and he claimed that those were the boats that were tracked on the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He showed that every single boat that came and went out of Aruba on that fateful night was tracked on that screen.

He lied.

On May 30th, 2005, Aruba had NO working tracking system in place. It didn't exist.

Raytheon Canada to Install Coastal Surveillance Radars in Dutch Caribbean
Posted 30-Nov-2005 03:10
Related stories: Americas - Other, Coastal & Littoral, Contracts - Awards, Europe - Other, Radars, Raytheon
Also on this day: 30-Nov-2005 »

Raytheon Canada won a contract valued at approximately $12 million (EUR 10 million) from the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles & Aruba (CGNA&A) to build an integrated coastal surveillance radar network on the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, including long-term maintenance and training.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2006, 10:30:13 AM
Folks, I got a reply from Mr. Sorenson, the U.S. Consul General for The Netherland Antilles. Basically he just directed me to where to send the information. I will try to do that today.

I think my letter to him, dated Aug. 11, is on page 2 of this thread.

I am glad he replied - I was getting discouraged.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 15, 2006, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Folks, I got a reply from Mr. Sorenson, the U.S. Consul General for The Netherland Antilles. Basically he just directed me to where to send the information. I will try to do that today.

I think my letter to him, dated Aug. 11, is on page 2 of this thread.

I am glad he replied - I was getting discouraged.


That is great news, Ms. Marple.  Please don't get discouraged.  Anything having to do with governmental agencies of any kind are very slow to respond but the important thing is that you got that response.  

I just discovered yesterday that in international and UN parlance, the following terms are used that are different from those commonly used in the U.S.  FWIW

Murder = "intentional homicidees"

Aggravated Assault = "major assaults"

Larceny = "thefts"


Also, are we aware that Aruba is a recent member of INTERPOL and that there was a meeting with several Aruban authorities and INTERPOL just in June?  

OK, back to research


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2006, 12:42:59 PM
Appeals - Believe me, I know well how ploddingly grind the wheels of government - first-hand!

Meant to mention that his letter was from WASHINGTON - not Curacao. Guess everything routes that way.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 15, 2006, 05:28:37 PM
MSMARPLE,

I have drafted an email to Rita Cosby, posted at the lively, pg. 43, I think, in response to your request for help on the Tracy Allan matter.  I checked Rita's blog wherein she talked about that show before I drafted it.  What do you think?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2006, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: "Appeals"
MSMARPLE,

I have drafted an email to Rita Cosby, posted at the lively, pg. 43, I think, in response to your request for help on the Tracy Allan matter.  I checked Rita's blog wherein she talked about that show before I drafted it.  What do you think?


Appeals - I just posted this at LCD (quoting your post there about this - although I'm afraid I messed up the quote stack):

Quote
Well, Duh - I just hauled off and decided to call my local FBI field office. (If they did the composite, why not go for it?)

I guided an agent (or whomever I spoke to) to an SM LCD page with a comparison.

At least 2 people there looked at the comparison and got REALLY interested - while I was on the phone with them. Asked several questions; wanted to know who the other guy was (Steve Croes, and of course I told them that he had been a guest at ALE's attitude adjustment center last summer).

I gave a link to the Cosby show but not sure it still works (I had the date of the show tho.)

Also wanted to know what was superimposed on top of the pix, which I can't read ...

I mentioned that SC and some other of these kids we've been watching for over a year have BALLOONED ... I really think they're on some kind of steroids ...

I am sorry - I didn't know we needed to get permission ...  :oops:  


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 16, 2006, 12:13:58 AM
08/24/1996 – Richard Henriquez last seen on Aruba. He was being treated for a nervous condition at a local facility. Possibly in South America.  

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html


Title: Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 16, 2006, 01:11:04 AM
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Most Recent Year first as of 1/9/2007


The Summary has been updated and is now on Page 16 of this thread:

http://tinyurl.com/y872v3


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 16, 2006, 01:25:10 PM
The crime in Aruba needs to be publisized. We were there Thanksgiving weekend, there is not enough police presence or security. Our battery was stolen from our rental car & while we were at the police station, we met Americans who had their room robbed. I WILL NEVER TAKE MY CHILDREN TO ARUBA AGAIN> I also was told that a tourist was robbed last year in the same area our battery was stolen. WE WERE STRANDED IN A TOURIST AREA WITH OUR SMALL CHILDREN & HAD TO HAVE THE RENTAL CAR TOWED> ARUBA GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME... WE PAY ENOUGH IN HOTEL TAXES & UTILITY CHARGES IN ARUBA WHEN WE VISIT. WE SPEND OUR AMERICAN MONEY. .

Posted by: Kim C.D. | November 27, 2005 5:55 PM

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:SKp2pSBc8FIJ:www.shadowscope.com/archives/
2005/06/crime_in_aruba.php+Aruba+crime&hl
=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 16, 2006, 01:37:39 PM
Caribbean Update

December 01, 2001


There has been an increase in crime in Aruba, reports the U.S. State Dept. (Nov. 9, 2001),which notes: "Although strolling downtown or in other tourist areas after dark used to be generally safe, Americans should note that there has been a sharp rise in armed robberies.
Newspapers report these incidents as being mostly drug related. There have been incidents of theft from hotel rooms. Petty crime and credit card fraud continues to be a problem."
Copyright 2001

http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2005/06/crime_in_aruba.php


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Appeals on September 16, 2006, 01:49:25 PM
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=196

Great Article:  Natalee Holloway is Not Aruba's Only Crime Problem

(kind of long, did not want to bring over unless it was of interest to more than me).


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 16, 2006, 09:08:10 PM
Posted by Jacqueline at LCD 9/16/2006 -- Suicides in 2002.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:14 am Post subject: troubling experience in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

good morning everyone...

I have been following this forum for the past couple of weeks now and have gained much insight from reading here....many thanks.

For those of you who may be interested, I would like to share an experience my husband and I had in Aruba some three years ago...we were on one of our many trips to Aruba and were staying at LaCabana resort. Our time there was during the first anniversary of 9/11, so there were not many tourists on the island at the time.

We were staying in a top floor unit, located in the back of the resort, facing the highway. One morning as we were preparing to start our day and heading to our car in the parking lot below, we were shocked to see that a young Aruban male had deliberately jumped to his death from the roof of the resort above us. Due to polis and rescue personnel, we delayed in leaving as planned.

As troubling as we felt this event was at the time, we were even more surprised to learn that a similar suicide had occurred two weeks earlier at the Hyatt....again some young Aruban male had lept to his death from this resort.

Little or no mention was made of the suicide in the local newspapers during our days to follow in Aruba.......we wondered why it got so little attention. In talking to the locals there and mentioning this most troubling of events, we were told at that time that chances were, both guys were in serious trouble with drug dealers on the islands,,,,,columbians, most likely, and that these folks are ruthless.....these two, chances are, leapt to their deaths to spare their immediate families of any repercussions from these drug lords....


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 16, 2006, 09:15:59 PM
Posted by Jacqueline 9/16/2006 on LCD.
Also, Hotshot says she thinks this incident was in November/December 2005.

 
Ono wrote:
I'm probably incorrect, but it seems as though it was early in 2006? Memory fails me...sorry ~ Remember we all thought it rediculous that someone would take poison, as it was slow & painful. We thought he had been forced to drink it.
<end>

Jacqueline wrote:
I remember that , it was a man who died on the beach and there was a bottle of poison next to him.

Alot of us remarked that drinking poison is an awful and weird way to commit suicide, and if I remember reading something either by a poster or in the news that "suicide by drinking poison is not uncommon in Aruba"

Yeah. Right.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 16, 2006, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: "Appeals"
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=196

Great Article:  Natalee Holloway is Not Aruba's Only Crime Problem

(kind of long, did not want to bring over unless it was of interest to more than me).


Here are excerpts of the article Appeals mentions (emphasis added). See Appeals' post above for a link to the entire article.
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By Jim Kouri
Aug 10, 2005  

When Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba, America and the world began to take a close look at the island.  The way they have handled the Natalee Holloway case has put the tiny islands’ police department and courts under a high powered microscope.  But if you think the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is Aruba’s only problem when it comes to the issues of crime, think again.

Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela,  the island paradise of Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.

Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.

Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.

The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers.

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years.

Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages.

The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes.

Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.

Sources: Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute

Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 18, 2006, 12:21:57 AM
.
MsMarple, Appeals, Sunfreak and ALL who have contributed,

You are making it happen!  I think all MSM should receive multiple copies of the Summary as presented by MsMarple and hope that you and others will join in seeing that they get enough copies to break their attention barriers.

We need this information also in the travel and tourism industry and I wonder if BOC could help in that regard.  I think I will email it to him and see what he thinks about that.

Now this afternoon I was reading that the Caribbean Region is second only to Sub-Sahara Africa in the instances of humans contracting the HIV/AIDS syndrome  and virus.   Guess you know what I am thinking about that as well. . . . . . . . . Well, I didn't know that.  There is so much people do not know and that has not been told about this region and Aruba in particular!  We believed that it was a safe and crime free area and we were wrong.  

People deserve to know the truth before they go to a place and spend their hard-earned vacation time and money!  They truly do and we can help let them know that they just might want to think twice about this as a destination.  Think of the heartbreak for Natalee and her family that could be prevented for others for if Natalee and her parents had known just what we know now and have listed on this thread, I believe the outcome would have been quite different.  If only they had known. . . . .

Again, I am thrilled at the effort you have presented and the wonderful hard work that has gone into making this sad knowledge available.  God bless each one who contributed and each who bothered to read this.

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on September 18, 2006, 12:45:15 AM
Anna - thank you so much for starting this thread, it was a great idea!  Anna, MsMarple, Appeals, Sunfreak and everyone else who contributed...great job!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 18, 2006, 03:10:00 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Anna - thank you so much for starting this thread, it was a great idea!  Anna, MsMarple, Appeals, Sunfreak and everyone else who contributed...great job!


The words right out of my mouth.  Thanks, Klaas.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 18, 2006, 01:21:08 PM
Just posted this on LCD; wanted to make sure it's EVERYWHERE ...

Folks, I just sent copies of the Murder & Crime thread SUMMARY (on page 6), with a letter, to the list below.

The letter is similar to what I sent to Mr. Sorenson, and that is posted on M&C page 2.

The first on the list is where Consul General Sorenson told me to send the information.


Overseas Citizens Services - U.S. Dept. of State, SA-29, 4th Floor,
2201 C Street NW, Washington DC 20520

Dr. Condoleezza Rice, U.S. Secretary of State, 2201 C Street NW, Washington DC 20520

Robert Sorenson, Consul General, Box 158, J.B. Gorsiraweg 1, Curaçao, Netherland Antilles

Governor Bob Riley, State Capitol, 600 Dexter Avenue, Montgomery AL 36130

Sen. Jeff Sessions, 335 Russell Senate Office Bldg., Washington DC 20510-0104

Sen. Richard Shelby, 110 Hart Senate Office Bldg., Washington DC 20510-0103

Rep. Spencer Bachus, 442 Cannon Building, Washington D.C. 20515


Would love to see some monkeys sending it off to travel agencies, travel columnists, media people.  If anybody wants the Word version, I'll email it to Klaas.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 18, 2006, 04:02:27 PM
klaasend posted on LCD 9/18/2006:
Quote
GOODMORNING ALL!

In todays Diario - looks like something about a bouncer and a tourist:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/18/

Trahando como bouncer na un club nocturno den tempo liber….EMPLEADO DI GOBIERNO DETENI PA MALTRATO SERIO RIBA TURISTA

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Un empleado publico kende ta traha den su tempo liber na un club nocturno ta deteni actualmente pa maltrato pisa contra un turista cu a bay para te na hospital despues di un maltrato serio.

E empleado publico aki di Fam F contrario na Hulanda unda un Arubiano a muri pa maltrato di varios bouncer, esun na Aruba si ta sigui deteni pa e maltrato cu el a comete.

Kico a pasa exactamente cu cos a yega asina leu no ta conoci, pero e empleado publico aki ta sera y e por tin consecuencia tambe pa su trabao.
E turista parce cu te hasta a worde interna den hospital pa e maltrato cu el a haya a base di golpinan cu a ser propone riba dje.

Recherche den e caso aki a detene e sospechoso mientras cu apartemente turista mes a bay su pais caba.


Easywriter wrote:
Quote
Its a case where a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who had to have medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer has been arrested and is in jail. He will lose his job. In the meantime, the tourist has returned home.


Thanks Klaas & Easy.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 19, 2006, 09:36:30 AM
U.S. 2005 Statistics -
Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter


This one is for all the Arubans who like to comment about our crime statistics in the United States. Statistics are from the FBI's just released 2005 reports.

National Average: 5.6 per 100,000
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

For Population Groups 50,000 – 99,999: 3.6
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_16.html
(In general, this means cities or other entities of this size.)

Per our Murder & Crime thread (see my sig line), Aruba seems to have at least 7 homicides for 2005 (counting Natalee), and 6 as of December 3, 2006.

Aruba's population is 71,891 (July 2006 est.) per the CIA World Factbook.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aa.html


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 19, 2006, 11:36:21 AM
Good Morning All Who Venture Here to Read Our Thread!

I have sent a copy of the summary to our travel agent extraordinaire BOC to ask his advice on how we can get this information to large numbers of agents and agencies.  You may recall he has done speaking before groups of them before and so perhaps this could serve as talking points should he do so again.  I will await his suggestions.

Also, early on Clint van Zandt was active in assisting the Holloways in Natalee's disappearance.  He has a wonderful website dedicated to safety matters in general.  There is a lengthy section on travel safety.  I have written to him and asked for his assistance in getting this information to those in a position to issue a warning or prompt the consular to do so.

This is the website of VanZandt and the travel section is VERY complete with all sorts of helpful tips.  Well worth taking a peek:

http://www.livesecure.org/


The fact that we were asked if we were working from a grant lets us know we are doing not only a good job but an effective one as well.   MsMarple is fabulous with documentation and document formats and such as that and has prepared impressive presentation for us to use.

Just keep cranking out the information and like throwing jello on the wall, some of it is bound to stick and we will get the response we want.  What I personally want is a travelers advisory or Aruba being forced to tell the truth about the crime rate there.

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 19, 2006, 11:42:50 AM
.
Recently there were congressional hearings on crime aboard cruise ships.  Currently there is a bill proposed that would require every cruise ship that docks at a U.S. port to report crime fully and completely and truthfully.

This is just what we want from Aruba in regard to their crime!  So I found the website of one of the two sponsors of the bill and wrote to Representative Shays and asked to send him the summary that we have and also for his advice on how we can get truthful information about crime in Aruba as well.

Will let you know what I hear back from him but meanwhile, here is information on his bill to help prevent crime aboard cruise ships.  I think that is very close to resort areas.

http://www.house.gov/shays/news/2006/june/junecruise.htm

And note the name of his bill, just what we have been talking about:

Congressman Shays' subcommittee has introduced the "Shays/Maloney Cruise Line Accurate Safety Statistics Act"


If they just lie about the crime rate, we have no basis in reality on which to judge the safety of a foreign resort area.  This is a practice that should not be tolerated and we as tourists have the right to have the truthful information on which to base our travel decisions rather than some propaganda manufactured by the tourist industry to deceive would-be travelers.

There is a form for sending him just a quick note to say you would like to see this done for resort areas as well if you care to do so.

Thanks,

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 19, 2006, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
U.S. 2005 Statistics -
Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter


This one is for all the Arubans who like to comment about our crime statistics in the United States. Statistics are from the FBI's just released 2005 reports.

National Average: 5.6 per 100,000
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

For Population Groups 50,000 – 99,999: 3.6
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_16.html
(In general, this means cities or other entities of this size.)

Per our Murder & Crime thread (see my sig line), Aruba seems to have at least 7 homicides for 2005 (counting Natalee), and 4 thus far in 2006.

Aruba's population is 71,891 (July 2006 est.) per the CIA World Factbook.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aa.html



MsMarple,
As an American I am rather proud and pleased with our country's crime stats for while any crime is too much crime, they are so much lower than many other places despite the fact that we count as a crime many things not counted in all countries participating in international surveys.  Case in point would be the non-custodial parent taking a child being counted as kidnapping or abduction in this country while some others do not count it as much of anything.

Scotland and Britain both had higher crime rates than the U.S. in the last U.N. stats compiled by victims  of all participating countries but we have been told so often for so long how violent this country is that it is difficult for even us to grasp that we just may not be the most violent in the world after all.

Thanks for the good analysis and comparison for it does put things into perspective.  This is the point we set out to make when we started this project and we have now done so and found our conclusions to be accurate.

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 20, 2006, 12:05:30 AM
http://travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html

ARUBA    
Date of Death, Place of Death, Cause of Death

July 6 2003, SEROE COLORADO, Other Accident

July 12 2004, ARUBA, Drowning

July 12 2004, ARUBA, Drowning

January 26 2005, ORANJESTAD, Other Accident

February 8 2005, HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, Drowning

March 12 2005, WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, Drug-Related

June 8, 2006, HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, Veh. Accid.-Auto


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 20, 2006, 12:10:56 AM
Re. the previous post - I had trouble getting it to "take" - had to re-do it a couple of times.

ORIGINALLY - I meant to credit Old Fart for bringing this up on the LCD, 9/20/2006. The link is to a State Department site that lists deaths of U.S. citizens traveling abroad.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 21, 2006, 06:52:28 AM
Posted by Klaas at LCD 9/20/2006:

This was in todays Solo di Pueblo. No murder statistics that I can tell. There were 3 I couldn't translate. The pictures are too big to post as they will blow the margins so I'm giving you the link to my translated and the original Dutch version:

Translated:

http://tinyurl.com/pomrl

Dutch:

http://tinyurl.com/n6qze


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 21, 2006, 09:15:21 AM
Re. the above post by Klass re. crime stats on Aruba – here is the information from the table to which she links. No data is shown for some years … there are annotations or footnotes on the table, but we only have the table itself translated.

Solo di Pueblo 9/20/2006
Crime statistics on Aruba

Driving without a valid DL
2003, 348 / 2004, 145 / 2005, 210 / 2006, 36

Robbery – aggravated circumstances
2003, 323 / 2004, 328 / 2005, 298 / 2006, 85

Drug offenses (3 LVN) (??)
2003, 247 / 2004, 270 / 2005, 191 / 2006, 95

Opzetheling (??)
2003, 132 / 2004, 128 / 2005,    / 2006,    

Valsheid (??) in writing
2003, 110 / 2004, 92 / 2005, 54 / 2006,    

Maltreatment with a weapon
2003, 102 / 2004, 121 / 2005,    / 2006,    

Threats against persons or goods
2003, 82 / 2004,    / 2005,    / 2006,    

Simple robbery
2003, 78 / 2004, 93 / 2005, 63 / 2006,    

Destruction
2003, 66 / 2004,    / 2005, 50 / 2006, 20

Swindling
2003, 52 / 2004,    / 2005,    / 2006,    

Threats against persons
2003,    / 2004, 112 / 2005, 76 / 2006, 29

Openlijke geweldpleging (??)
2003,    / 2004, 91 / 2005,    / 2006, 24

Violent robbery
2003,    / 2004, 82 / 2005, 49 / 2006,    

Driving under the influence
2003,    / 2004,    / 2005, 84 / 2006, 40

Drug offenses (4 LVM) (??)
2003,    / 2004,    / 2005, 76 / 2006, 20

Having a gun
2003,    / 2004,    / 2005, 53 / 2006,


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 21, 2006, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

Recently there were congressional hearings on crime aboard cruise ships.  Currently there is a bill proposed that would require every cruise ship that docks at a U.S. port to report crime fully and completely and truthfully.

This is just what we want from Aruba in regard to their crime!  So I found the website of one of the two sponsors of the bill and wrote to Representative Shays and asked to send him the summary that we have and also for his advice on how we can get truthful information about crime in Aruba as well.

<snip>
http://www.house.gov/shays/news/2006/june/junecruise.htm
<snip>


Anna - I wrote to Rep. Shays too ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 26, 2006, 03:54:57 AM
Possible murder / suicides – we need translation; at least enough to get a sense of what happened in these 3 cases.

All are from Lively Case Discussion (LCD) #525, 9/26/2006, Page 20, posted by Klaas from Diario 9/25/2006 articles. There are photos for all 3.

Original posts are here: http://tinyurl.com/z2gwb

* * * * *
Looks like there is a corpse on the beach in Aruba, they are saying an illegal from Venezula. Would be nice to get this translated:

In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Contrabando pa trece hende Aruba ta sigui for di Venezuela. Diasabra un biaha mas un victima a keda registra despues cu un boto procedente di Venezuela a baha un cantidad di persona ilegalmente na altura di Santana di Cacho unda nan a logra subi tera net patras di ex-Nanki Country Club.

E prome informenan a drenta cerca polis for di oranan trempan di mainta despues cu testigonan a mira con un auto a subi hende y baha na awa for di e lugar. Aki ta trata di mas of menos cinco ilegal cu a subi tera.

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OMG - Another one! In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

Caso tragico den lama na Boca Prins…..PASCUALITO GEERMAN DI SOMBRE A HOGA BUSCANDO CANGREU NA BARANCA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Piscamento entre amigonan a termina na momento cu un di nan a cay na awa buscando cangreu pa haas. E prome informacion cu a drenta tabata na 911 ora cu yamada a drenta di dos persona cu a cay na awa na Boca Prins.

Na yegada di bomberonan cu ekipo di rescate a resulta cu berdad dos hende tabata den awa, pero ya caba e momento ey nan a perde uno for di bista mientras cu otro a logra sali riba su mes.

Aki ta trata di Pascualito Geerman naci na Aruba di 45 aña biba na Sombre 2-A. Polisnan di San Nicolas, Search & Rescue, bomberonan, Helicopter, Kustwacht tabata envolvi den henter e rescate aki unda Aruba Ports tambe a haci cierto coordinacion cu esnan presente.

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Yet another body found ... looks like it may have been natural causes:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Na San Nicolas un caso tristo a keda registra pa autoridadnan.

Tabata Diasabra den oranan di mainta cu polis a ser manda den direccion di un cas na Zeewijk pa un persona cu a ser haya morto den un cas.

Na yegada di e patruya di polis nan a papia cu un conocir di e persona den e caso unda el a splica cu e tin mas cu un dia sin tende nada di e doño di e cas.

Ora cu el a bin pa busca su drechi el a bin nota cu e persona no ta duna señal di bida den e cas.

Mesora el a notifica polis unda a cuminsa cu un investigacion. Dokter a worde notifica di e caso aki y na yegada a constata morto.

Fiscal tambe tabata na e cas na Zeewijk pa asina hunto cu Recherché mira cu nan mesun wowo henter e situacion cu a presenta.

Finalmente tur cost a mustra cu e persona a fayece di un morto natural y ta trata di un persona cu ta sufri di curazon. Paz na su restonan, y condolencia na famia.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: sandy leiva on September 27, 2006, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Possible murder / suicides – we need translation; at least enough to get a sense of what happened in these 3 cases.

All are from Lively Case Discussion (LCD) #525, 9/26/2006, Page 20, posted by Klaas from Diario 9/25/2006 articles. There are photos for all 3.

Original posts are here: http://tinyurl.com/z2gwb

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Looks like there is a corpse on the beach in Aruba, they are saying an illegal from Venezula. Would be nice to get this translated:

In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Contrabando pa trece hende Aruba ta sigui for di Venezuela. Diasabra un biaha mas un victima a keda registra despues cu un boto procedente di Venezuela a baha un cantidad di persona ilegalmente na altura di Santana di Cacho unda nan a logra subi tera net patras di ex-Nanki Country Club.

E prome informenan a drenta cerca polis for di oranan trempan di mainta despues cu testigonan a mira con un auto a subi hende y baha na awa for di e lugar. Aki ta trata di mas of menos cinco ilegal cu a subi tera.

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translation +  
 Oranjestad.  a boat from venezuela carry illegals(13 and 1 body) dropped off at the heights of Santana di Cachonear the country club called Nanki Country Club where the article states many venezuelans gathered.
The polis were called and one of the illegals later gave info on the deceased so his family could be contacted. According to article the polis only claimed there were 5 illegals (not 13 from the boat).

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OMG - Another one! In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

Caso tragico den lama na Boca Prins…..PASCUALITO GEERMAN DI SOMBRE A HOGA BUSCANDO CANGREU NA BARANCA
   
translation =  headline reads
tragic occurance in Boca Prins.  Pasquale Geerman di Sombre drowns while looking for blue crabs near Baranca.


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Piscamento entre amigonan a termina na momento cu un di nan a cay na awa buscando cangreu pa haas. E prome informacion cu a drenta tabata na 911 ora cu yamada a drenta di dos persona cu a cay na awa na Boca Prins.

A fishing tournament between friends ends tragically when one of the group falls into the water while leaning over the water fishing for bluecrabs.
911 was called athat two people fell into the waters at Boca Prins.

Na yegada di bomberonan cu ekipo di rescate a resulta cu berdad dos hende tabata den awa, pero ya caba e momento ey nan a perde uno for di bista mientras cu otro a logra sali riba su mes.
 

Firemen and equipment arrived to the rescue and did in fact see two in the water one was rescued but one floated away and was out of sight .

Aki ta trata di Pascualito Geerman naci na Aruba di 45 aña biba na Sombre 2-A. Polisnan di San Nicolas, Search & Rescue, bomberonan, Helicopter, Kustwacht tabata envolvi den henter e rescate aki unda Aruba Ports tambe a haci cierto coordinacion cu esnan presente.
  Pasquale Geerman , born in aruba, 45 yrs old who lived at Sombra 2-A polisnan of St Nicholas. search and rescue firemen and helicopter responded to the call.
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Yet another body found ... looks like it may have been natural causes:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Na San Nicolas un caso tristo a keda registra pa autoridadnan.

Tabata Diasabra den oranan di mainta cu polis a ser manda den direccion di un cas na Zeewijk pa un persona cu a ser haya morto den un cas.

Na yegada di e patruya di polis nan a papia cu un conocir di e persona den e caso unda el a splica cu e tin mas cu un dia sin tende nada di e doño di e cas.

Ora cu el a bin pa busca su drechi el a bin nota cu e persona no ta duna señal di bida den e cas.

Mesora el a notifica polis unda a cuminsa cu un investigacion. Dokter a worde notifica di e caso aki y na yegada a constata morto.

Fiscal tambe tabata na e cas na Zeewijk pa asina hunto cu Recherché mira cu nan mesun wowo henter e situacion cu a presenta.

Finalmente tur cost a mustra cu e persona a fayece di un morto natural y ta trata di un persona cu ta sufri di curazon. Paz na su restonan, y condolencia na famia.

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man found dead in his home was believed to have died of natural casues >  Man was elderly.  His family was being notified. May he rest in peace and condolenses to the family  

                                  Best I could do translationg  Sandy L


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 28, 2006, 06:04:59 AM
sandy - can you do anything with the first two articles mentioned in that post? Thanks for checking in ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 28, 2006, 08:40:25 AM
Here is a translation of the 3 Diario articles from 9/25 (9/26?) - just the portions quoted in my post - courtesy of Getagrip !!! Thanks!

First article - still don't know what happened; must have been a drowning :

Smuggling people from Venezuela to Aruba continues. Saturday, once again, a person remained registered after a boat which originated in Venezuela let off a some illegal persons at the Dog Cemetary (santana di cacho) where they were able to get to solid ground behind the former Nanki Country Club.

The first reports that reached police in the early morning hours, after witnesses saw people coming into a car, and dropped off in the water at that place. This deals with more of less five people who reached solid ground.

Second article:
Title: Tragic case in the sea at Boca Prins - Pascualito Geerman of Sombre (street name) drowned looking for crabs in the water

Fishing among friends came to an end when one of them fell in the water looking for crabs. The first reports that came in to 911 when a call came in that 2 people fell in the water at Boca Prins.

When firemen arrived with rescuing equipment, it turned out that indeed 2 people had fallen in the water, when already they lost one of them from sight and the other was able to get out by himself.

This person is Pascualito Geerman, born in Aruba, of 45 years of age, living at Sombre 2-A. San Nicolas Police, Search & Rescue, firemen, helicopter and Kustwacht (coast guard?) were involved in this whole rescue operation where Aruba Ports also coordinated with those present.

Third article:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 28, 2006, 08:41:31 AM
Ooops, wrong button - here is the third article, thanks to Getagrip:

At San Nicolas, a sad  case  was registered by authorities.

It was Saturday, in the morning hours that police were sent in the direction of a house in Zeewijk to a person who was found deceased in a house.

At the police patrol's arrival, they spoke with a person who knew the deceased who said that it had been that it had been a day that he hadn't heard from the house's owner.

When he came to look for his drechi (?) he noticed that the person gave no sign of life in the house.

Immediately he contacted police, where the investigation began. The doctor was also notified of this case and at his arrival declared the person dead.

The prosecutor was also on the scene at Zeewijk, along with the investigator, to see with their own eyes the whole situation that had arisen.

Finally, everything pointed to the person having died of natural causes and it was a person who had heart problems. Peace be to his remains, and condolences to the family.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on September 29, 2006, 08:30:21 AM
I just posted this on the 9/29 LCD (about page 45).

From 9/28 Amigoe.com (English) - thanks for the link sandy. Emphasis, embellishments added by me.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  

OM creates a standardized system for legal summonses.

ORANJESTAD – The Openbaar Ministerie (District Attorney, OM) is currently working on a model allowing for standardized summonses, where special agents of the police will have a uniform system to register crimes and violations. Special agents do not fall under the Aruba Police Corps (KPA). They work in areas like the Department of Public Health. Whether the OM is also working on a standardized system for summonses for the “normal” police is unknown.   :lol:

This past week there were discussions regarding the registering of crimes and violations in connection with the advertised drop in criminality, an advertisement based on statistics supplied by the OM. The police union disputed these figures, claiming that the number of crimes has actually risen recently.

The advertisement originated with the Ministry of Justice, wishing to show that criminality on Aruba has dropped. Last week the advertisement was placed in the papers on various days, showing a table of the most common crimes from 2003 through April 2006. The figures came from the OM. Spokesperson Mariaine Arends-Croes said the OM doesn’t recognize the published table, but that the figures listed on criminal statistics appear to match their own top ten. “Every year we have a top ten of punishable acts. We started this in 2003. Only the table in the advertisement is not so clear.” If the numbers have dropped because fewer crimes have actually been committed is also difficult to say, according to Arends-Croes. “Take driving without a license, the numbers can also drop because the police controlled more one year than the other.” The chance of being caught is then higher, but that doesn’t mean that either more or fewer people were driving without their license, the spokesperson for the OM explained.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on September 29, 2006, 02:37:15 PM
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Perhaps your summary would be helpful to the Office of the OM.  How can they claim their crime stats have dropped when they were claiming no crime in the first place?

Seems the Police Union may well be aware of crimes that are not being included.  Does this list the number of murders for that has previously been strangely missing from stats?

Well, for the first time, there seems to be some sort of accounting of crimes.  We could never find any statistics before and I believe were even told crime was so low they didn't keep them.  Now Maryanne Croes seems to indicate that there are in fact statistics.

Perhaps we can get a translation of some more of those listings but I still do not believe I see one for the number of deaths by homicide.  Odd one to leave out considering the rate is so high.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on September 29, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
Front page post by Mortella:

#13 MsMarple,
Tremendous job by the Monkeys and should be required reading for all. It is not the fact that Aruba has crime as much as the fact that they lie about it so that no one ever knows what the real crime factor is.

They actually had a spokesperson addressing travel agents claiming one murder in the last twenty years if you can believe anybody could be that far off! Sounds like something Kelmal would claim, haha!

Six murders last year alone puts their rate higher than in the U.S. per capita. And isn’t it odd that just when the monkeys start checking on this, they issue statements. Before one couldn’t find any of this stuff.

No, we did NOT know the crime was so high, Kelmel. Drugs are everywhere that is a given but Aruba lied and told us they had no crime. They even said at the beginning of this investigation that the reason they botched it so is they never have anything like this to investigate. What a load that is. They have it but they may not investigate it is right.

Well, Interpol is onto them with one of the deaths they ruled as natural causes and the family got another autopsy and the real cause was strangulation. Now I wonder about Robert Benson. Did they lie about him as well??

Yes, Nadira was right. They ALL lie! At least the Officials do. Tell me one who has told us nothing but the truth?? Just one???

And that is the point, not the actual statistics but the lying about their crime. Maybe we need a Class Action suit for their false adversing.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 01, 2006, 11:51:34 AM
My weekend SM project.

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703.739.2782

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This is a long message. I beg you to bear with me and read it through.

I am among many individuals who have followed the Natalee Holloway disappearance on Aruba – I am sure you are familiar with the subject. I read and post on several internet forums, primarily http://www.scaredmonkeys.net .

A column by David Grossman, a travel writer for USAToday, recently stated that Aruba had had "one murder in 20 years". The column subsequently has been edited (due, I think, to reaction from folks like me). He was quoting from a speech by Dr. Peter Tarlow at a tourism or travel agents meeting. Here is a link to the column as it now stands; notice the Editors Note at the beginning, and the current reference to “a handful of murders a year,” which is not the original wording:
http://tinyurl.com/mg6ju .

(Of course, "a handful" of murders is hardly a good recommendation. That handful exceeds the murder rate in the U.S. Read on.)

As a result of that original “1 in 20” statement, at the “scared monkeys” site, we began a new thread called Murder & Crime Rate in Aruba. We are collaborating on a list of murders and other violent crimes that have occurred there. Here is a link to the beginning of that discussion:
http://tinyurl.com/fau6z .

Our purpose is to show that Aruba deliberately and officially obscures violent crimes in the interest of tourism. For example, we believe that at least seven (7) murders (counting Miss Holloway) occurred in 2005. That’s considerably higher than the ratio touted to the travel industry – “one in 20 years,” “2.4 per year” are figures I have read. In fact, it is higher than the murder rate for the United States, according to FBI just-released statistics for the year 2005. (Link provided below.)

And more important, we believe that the deception alone constitutes good reason for Aruba to be on the U.S. State Department travel warning list, and for travel agents to make certain potential travelers are aware of the facts, as opposed to what Aruba "promotes". (We have sent our information to the State Department.)

Because what it means is that if serious harm comes your way, Aruba Law Enforcement -- with official blessing – will try to write that incident off as a suicide, accident, or other non-nefarious cause. Unless there’s relentless pressure from the victim’s family and a media blitz, they’ll get away with it.

As recently as Spring 2006, the Polis Chief stated that he believed Miss Holloway died from an accidental, self-induced overdose. He did not speculate as to what she then did with her corpse.

You can imagine how difficult it is to pull this information together. We are trying to read online versions of local newspapers, but most of them are not in English – Dutch, Papiamento, and Spanish are the local languages. (If you have ever tried “babblefish” or similar as a translator, you know what we’re going through … especially with Papiamento, which is the language for Diario, which has the largest circulation.) We only began this particular endeavor recently, and back issues are not readily available to us.
 
We initially only were looking for reported murders, but lately are suspicious about suicides, accidents, and other seemingly non-nefarious deaths. We have a recent Diario article suggesting that some cases deemed to be suicides during the last 20 years may have been due to foul play.

Diario 1/6/2006 article (excerpts):
Quote
High Command in Holland wants to conduct DNA tests on all suicide victims

Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case
.

Here is another example: on April 5, 2006, a man’s body was found near a cave. His body was crucified, burned, and otherwise unspeakably mutilated. This death was ruled a suicide or overdose, but “evidence has been sent to Holland for testing”. Admittedly I have not seen an outcome, but “evidence to Holland” has become an ominous joke to followers of the Holloway case. Meanwhile – what about the timely investigation that should have been underway?

Amigoe June 8 2006 article (excerpts):
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ARUBA — Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of overdoses cocaine. At this moment, the Public Prosecutor (OM) does not have evidence that the 25-year old man that was found dead in the vicinity of the Guadirikiri cave on April 5th was murdered. Four suspects have been arrested and the examining magistrate has prolonged the custody of one of them with 8 days.
On Tuesday, Pitbull’s widow and her mother had talked with the district attorney, who leads the investigation on the death of Djoegan. The OM does not comment on the contents of this conversation. All they said was that in order to determine the cause of death, they had to send tests to the Netherlands. The family was informed that Pitbull was not murdered, but had an amount of cocaine in his body. There is a possibility that he was forced to take the drug. The OM is also investigating the relation between the cause of death and the fact that Djoegan was found burned and crucified.


We have another article re. a ship passenger who died on board. When the ship docked at Aruba, an autopsy suggested that death was due to natural causes. But when the body was returned to the man’s home country, another autopsy revealed that he had been strangled, and that there were visible indications of violence. The good news is that as a High Seas death, Interpol is investigating. The bad news is that, partly as a result of Aruba’s misdiagnosis, precious time was wasted. I am betting that the ship and/or its crew are closely connected to Aruba.

Diario 3/20/2006 article (excerpts):
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ORANJESTAD (AAN): It seems that in Aruba, authorities immediately ‘guli manda abao’ [swallowed?] the story of the crew members of the ‘Rachel S’ ship, which arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person on board.
There is a big possibility that the crew members ‘played a comedy’ which apparently turned bad, to cover up a possible crime that was committed on board.
The autopsy conducted in Aruba deduced that Bernard Ramsaran, 50 years of age, died of heart failure.
But now, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad & Tobago, has deduced that Bernard died of something more sinister, ‘traumatic asphyxia’, which indicates that [he] was strangled and choked! His death is nothing natural! It is a crime which took place on the high seas and now Interpol is involved.
The question is, how could Aruban authorities not discover this? The Trinidad & Tobago authorities discovered that Bernard’s body even had several marks of violence.


There is every indication that corruption is entrenched at high and low levels of government. “Recreational” drugs are illegal on Aruba, but are available in abundance and overlooked. According to the C.I.A. World Factbook, Aruba is a “transit point for US- and Europe-bound narcotics with some accompanying money-laundering activity.” (Drugs are not illegal in Holland.) Now, drug availability may be a reason for some tourists to choose Aruba. But drug traffic on this scale, combined with the casinos, and money laundering, invites criminal activity and corruption.

Don’t get me started on the prostitution, pornography and sex-slave angles (including child porn). Suffice it to say that many are convinced that this is what happened to Miss Holloway. They compare her to 1998 cruise passenger Amy Bradley, who some believe to have been abducted into the sex industry.

The clubs and casinos do not enforce age restrictions re. alcohol and gambling, for tourists or locals. When local kids are gambling away a few hundred dollars, and spending maybe $25-$50 on alcohol, several nights a week, one wonders where their money is coming from. They seem to roam the clubs and casinos in packs; some don’t even have a driver’s license yet. I wouldn't want to spend a vacation in another country surrounded by local gangs of teenagers.

All of this -- on an island of less than 100,000 population. While some like to compare the U.S. murder rate to that of Aruba (which is whatever Aruba decides to say it is), FBI statistics show that Aruba compares poorly.

Although I am not expert as to Aruba’s political standing, I perceive that it is more than less independent from The Netherlands (unlike Bonaire and Curaçao). There is no pressure, martial law, FBI or similar outside intervention available - no accountability.

Those who dismiss the Natalee Holloway story as “another missing white girl” have no idea what reality is on the ground in Aruba. This is NOT like most media sensations. The investigation was inept by any country’s law enforcement standards, but Aruba neither acknowledges that or attempts to correct it. Further, I think as much official energy has been expended trashing the victim and her family, as on the investigation.

Please do not ignore the many things that are very wrong on that one happy island. U.S. travelers may still choose to go to Aruba, but if they perform due diligence, please don’t give them the wrong impression.

For a summary of our findings on murder in Aruba, look for this heading:
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba -
Most Recent Year first as of 9/15/2006

at this link (page 6):
http://tinyurl.com/zjmaz .

For FBI 2005 statistics on murder in the United States, look for this heading:
U.S. 2005 Statistics -
Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter

at this link (page 7); links to the FBI tables are there:
http://tinyurl.com/gaoef .

Also on that page, Page 7, is a translation of an ad the Aruba travel promoters recently ran in local papers. The purpose of the ad was to show how little crime, and reduction in crime figures over four years. No homicides are mentioned. See the Page 7 posts for 9/21/2006 at 6:52 a.m. and 9:15 a.m. We have now learned that the Aruba police union is disputing those figures, and claiming the crime rate has increased rather than decreased. For more about the dispute, see the post on Page 7, at 9/29/2006, 8:30 a.m.

You see, if that's the information your industry looks to, it's wrong, wrong, wrong. Just because they don't mention rapes and murders, doesn't mean they don't happen.

Please try to read the entire discussion at the web site. Some incidents are duplicated, but it's only 7 pages, and you will understand how this information has been compiled.

And most important - please try to ensure that U.S. travel agencies are NOT giving false reassurance to potential vacationers to Aruba.

If I can provide any more information to you - or perhaps in another format - please let me know. Thank you so much for your time.

< msmarple redacts personal info >


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 01, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
San:

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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject:    

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Dave said another girl went missing on the island a year before Natalee went missing


(During Dana's broadcast on this date)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 01, 2006, 09:14:20 PM
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:    

San wrote:
Dave said another girl went missing on the island a year before Natalee went missing  

Klassand wrote:
I wonder if that's the girl that went missing along with her car? Remember that story?

Okay, Klass - can we find that story?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2006, 10:17:55 AM
Posted by MF a FOB - says the statistics can be found at the library in Aruba:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaMurder2005.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaMurder92to06.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SuicideAruba2005.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 04, 2006, 10:23:01 AM
Klaas - Thanks for your post. Interesting; our count seems to tally with theirs, although of course Natalee probably isn't among the victims.

Here is the full Amigoe article.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  09/03/2005

Police: “We do provide statistics.”  

The police do indeed provide criminal statistics each year regarding Aruba, according to police chief Ronny Bernadina, reacting to statements from the Ministry of Justice.

ORANJESTAD – The Aruba Police Corps (KPA) publishes figures every year regarding all calls that come in asking for police assistance. Statements that the police rarely offer any statistics are therefore completely unjust, police chief Ronny Bernadina wrote in response to the statement made by a Justice coworker earlier in the Amigoe.  

In a press release Bernadina announced that, “The KPA has learned that an article was recently published in one of the local papers saying the police rarely provide any crime statistics.” The police chief alludes to the declarations made by Silvio Lopez, employed by the Ministry of Justice. Lopez said the police are often asked for figures, but that they are rarely able to provide them. The Ministry therefore used statistics provided by the District Attorney (OM) in an advertisement that claimed the criminality on Aruba was dropping. The advertisement was placed in various newspapers. After the KPA was informed of the ad, discussions followed, as the statistics used in the advertisement were lower than what the police have recorded.  

Bernadina confirmed the difference in the numbers between the OM and the police. He agrees with the OM’s explanation that the police are involved with far more incidents than are eventually reported and registered with the OM. Every year the police corps publishes a summary which includes figures for crimes and petty offenses. The results are widely dispersed among the various government ministries and regulatory bodies. International organizations like Interpol, also receive copies. Even the National Library gets a copy, which students can use for their projects and studies, according to Bernadina.  

This year KPA produced a mid year report in June, but these figures are only available for internal use.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 04, 2006, 10:24:49 AM
No 2005 suicides of "jumping" (as in off of a building) ... ???


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on October 04, 2006, 11:22:59 AM
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Around the time of the beheading/machete I suppose they are calling it, we were told there were no crime stats because crime was so low in Aruba.  

So now we find that there actually are statistics despite being told to the contrary.  And they reflect the very high crime rate so what's this business about low crime in Aruba, a safe place, One Happy Island?  Guess any more murders in 2006 will have to be counted as suicides, natural causes, etc. or they might break their own record of a whopping 8 in one year.

So "one murder in the last twenty years"?  Hardly.   :? Tourist have the right to know the truth without having to go to the public library to find the information before visiting.  How about a new slogan for Aruba--Come to Aruba Where The Crime Rate Is Higher Than In the U.S.?

Also I would be very interested to know how Max deVries was counted since many in Aruba cling to the lie that it was an insurance scam.  How about Bud Larson?  Do they just vanish from the stats the way they did from the face of the earth in Aruba?

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 04, 2006, 10:22:02 PM
Posted by lowsw on LCD 10/04/2006:

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject:    

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Supposedly there was another girl that went missing in Aruba in Mar 2006. Her name was Lucila Dirksz.

Here is the link to the Solodipueblo article on the missing girl. Article is first one on Page 3.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XV8WOiM4go8J:www.solodipueblo.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_download%26gid%3D367%26Itemid%3D2+%22benita+valdez%22+aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

If anyone can translate, it would be interesting to see what was said and if it mentions whether the Aruban LE/police have done anything to help the family.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 04, 2006, 10:25:49 PM
Posted by Klaas at LCD 10/04/2006:

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject:    

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lowsw - I think I remember that this girl did turn up. There was a young male that went missing as well this year. His family was really angry because ALE wouldn't help them.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 05, 2006, 10:08:11 PM
Posted by SunFreak2 on LCD --

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject:    
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Here's another suspicious death...
Be Careful, Even in Paradise! - Asylum Forums
Mystery in paradise

By Mitchell Zuckoff, Globe Staff, 11/19/2000

RANJESTAD, Aruba - The balconies at the Wyndham Aruba hotel are small and private. They have high steel railings that curve inward at the top, for safety.

After a day of sun and rum, Renee and Roy Tiano of Framingham went to their room on the hotel's 12th floor.

Married for four years, the parents of two small children, Renee and Roy left their bathing suits on the floor near the bathroom. It was a warm March night; a three-quarter moon rose in a clear Caribbean sky. They went naked onto the balcony.

Minutes later, without a sound, Renee went over the railing, falling 80 feet to her death on a ballroom roof.

A witness called the hotel operator. Ten minutes passed. Then Roy called the hotel operator.

Later that night, Roy told Aruban police that Renee had felt ill, so he left the balcony to get her a glass of water. He said he heard a noise, turned around, and she was gone.

Aruban police quickly ruled out suicide and declared Renee's death an accident, never revealing the basis for that finding.

Eight months later, Renee Kennedy Tiano's family remains tortured by questions, tormented by suspicion.

''I've got good reason to believe my brother-in-law's story isn't true,'' said her brother, Michael Kennedy of Hopkinton. ''It's either not true or not complete. I want the truth.''

Why, her family wonders, did Roy wait 10 minutes to seek help, and how did he spend that time? Why did police find no fingerprints on the railing? Why did Roy rush to get off the island, leaving Renee's body behind? Why did Roy refuse to allow an autopsy in Massachusetts? Why wouldn't he talk with the FBI? Were Aruban officials more concerned about tourism than justice?

In a brief telephone interview, Roy provided no answers. ''What do you mean you want to hear my side?'' he said. ''She fell off the [expletive] balcony. What more is there to it?'' Then he hung up the phone.

But there might well be more to it.

Unbeknownst to Renee's family, Aruban authorities and FBI agents who came to the island formed a disturbing theory about how she died.

It is a theory that does not answer all the questions. But it does challenge Roy's story about getting her a glass of water. Instead, it places him at the railing with Renee when she fell.

The theory is based on clues from none other than Renee herself - from her appearance in a hotel security video taken minutes before she fell and from telling marks on her body. It also fits an odd comment Roy made to one of Renee's brothers.

And yet, US and Aruban authorities have tried to bury the theory along with Renee. Despite pleas from family members for information, no official of either government has ever told them about their theory. The family first heard it from a Globe reporter.

Athlete, bodybuilder
Renee was 32, with a big smile and bright blue eyes. People who loved her say she was happy and outgoing. A family video taken two weeks before she died shows her turning cartwheels in the backyard of her parents' Dedham home.
She had asthma but was an athlete nonetheless, running track and starring on Dedham High School's field hockey team. After high school, Renee attended Mitchell Community College in New London, Conn., then Southeastern Massachusetts University.

She was working as an office manager at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge when she met Roy.

It was 1993, and she was sharing a Waltham apartment with her cousin and best friend, Donna MacInnes. Renee had become a bodybuilder, sculpting her 5-foot-8-inch form at the World Gym in Waltham.

Roy, now 40, was a World Gym regular, too. Thickly muscled, 5-feet-9, a Waltham native, he ran his own plastering business.

''When they first met he gave her a lot of attention, fed her ego, said all the right things,'' MacInnes recalled. ''He was very affectionate towards her, almost to the point where it was inappropriate. She was embarrassed by him sometimes.''

Soon after they met, Roy made plans to open a gym in Florida. They moved to Fort Lauderdale with help from the oldest of Renee's three brothers, Edward Kennedy. He found it odd that their apartment was on an upper floor of a high-rise; Renee was afraid of heights, he said, and during his visit would not go out on the balcony.

The gym plan fizzled after several months and they returned to Massachusetts, to live in the basement of Renee's parents' home before buying a ranch-style house in Framingham. In September 1995, Renee's parents threw them a lavish wedding at Lombardo's in Randolph.

In February 1998, Renee gave birth to a son, Brandon; their daughter Katrena followed 181/2 months later. ''She was so happy,'' MacInnes said. ''She had her boy and her girl.''

Friends and family say the couple had problems typical of young families: financial pressures when Renee became a full-time mother, arguments over Roy's lack of involvement in child care, and Roy's displeasure at the weight Renee gained during pregnancy.

Last winter took a toll, though, as the whole family fell ill with pneumonia. By spring, Renee and Roy needed a vacation.

`One Happy Island'
In early March, Roy made plans for a three-night trip to Aruba, where 400,000 Americans flock each year for its 80-degree days, turquoise water, and self-proclaimed reputation as ''One Happy Island.'' Renee's parents eagerly agreed to care for the children.

They arrived on Thursday, March 23, and went quickly to the business of relaxing, dining, and drinking at the hotel's bars and restaurants. That first night they ran into one of Renee's closest friends, Sandra Parent, who has a time-share apartment on the island.

''She was her usual happy self,'' Parent recalled. ''She invited me to come meet her at the pool the next day. I said, `You want to be with your honey, and I don't want to be in the middle of two people kissing.' She blushed like a new bride.''

The next day, Roy and Renee had a breakfast buffet, then hit the beach.

''After that we visited several hotels,'' Roy said in his statement to police. ''The whole day we drank rum runners,'' a sweet yet potent mix of rum, blackberry brandy, and banana liqueur. In Roy's words, ''We became drunk.''

They walked a mile on the white sand of Aruba's Palm Beach, past surf shops and hawkers selling aloe vera. Then they returned to their hotel, stopping at the poolside Tambu Bar.

They ordered two rumrunners and four Heineken beers. Roy signed the tab with an illegible scrawl. Below Roy's signature, a waiter wrote in Dutch, ''Drunken man.'' The time stamped on the bill was 7:37 p.m.

En route to their room, Renee and Roy went to the hotel's lower lobby. A security video shows them in bathing suits, drinks in hand. Looking tired and spent, Renee sat heavily on a padded bench while waiting for the elevator.

When it arrived, Renee pressed the button for the 12th floor and the door closed. She walked to the back corner and slumped to the floor in a sitting position. Her arms rested on her knees and her head drooped, face down, the security video shows.

Roy, wearing Speedo-style swim trunks, walked over to Renee and straddled her while she sat. He shook his hips and pressed his crotch against her downturned head. She made no response.

The doors opened and Roy walked out, but Renee remained slumped in the corner. When he realized she wasn't with him, he stopped the elevator doors from closing. After 10 seconds or so, she raised her head slightly and held up her right hand. Roy pulled her up and out to the hall. It was the last image of her alive. The video time-stamp reads 7:53 p.m.

From 8:08 to 8:18
Roy described Renee's last 15 minutes this way to Aruban police: ''We went to the room. When we arrived there we both got undressed. We went and sat on the balcony. On the balcony we started to caress each other.'' He said they did not have sex. Then, Roy said, Renee felt ill and he went to get her water.

They were in Room 1219. Seven floors directly below, in Room 519, was Thomas Dowden of louisiana. He saw Renee plummet.

''I was out on the balcony smoking a cigarette,'' Dowden recalled. ''All of a sudden it sounded like a full piece of luggage landed in front of me. It was like, `whomp!' No scream, no other sound. A whoosh of air.''

He looked down to the ballroom roof below his balcony and saw a naked body, face-down and motionless in a puddle of blood. He phoned for help. The hotel's call log shows it was 8:08 p.m.

Roy's call was logged at 8:18 p.m. He never mentioned a delay to police: ''I looked over the railing and saw her lying on the roof below. I called the receptionist and informed her.''

Roy spent several more minutes in their room, then went to the elevator, security videos show. When the doors opened, he saw people inside and pulled back to wait for an empty one. After several frustrating trips to the wrong floors in search of the ballroom roof, Roy punched the control panel of floor numbers and tore a phone off the wall.

Eventually he reached the correct floor. With no doorway to the roof, he threw a cast-iron bench through a window and climbed out. Dowden, watching from above, said Roy seemed deeply upset as he crouched by Renee's body. He cried out: ''What am I going to do?''

Left a day early
Summoned by hotel security, two Aruban police detectives secured the scene and, several hours later, took a statement from Roy. At the time, police were unaware of the 10-minute gap. They had not seen the video. They did not interrogate or detain him. He was agitated, so they sent him to Aruba's only hospital for psychiatric observation.

Roy returned to the hotel the next morning and called Renee's family and made plans to leave the island. It was a day before his scheduled return, and Renee's body was in the morgue.

Through their shock and grief, her brothers begged him to stay with her. He refused, trusting Renee's body to an Aruban mortician, Eugene Maduro, until her brothers could fly down.

''While I was in the [hotel] room he was on the phone with someone,'' Maduro said. ''I heard him say, `What am I going to do now with the damn kids?' That stayed with me. And he leaves without her?''

With little investigation, police allowed Roy to change flights and leave that day for Boston, effectively closing the case. ''It looked like it was an accident, and we couldn't prove that the other person had something to do with a crime,'' said prosecutor Elivia Lugo.

The next day, Renee's brothers Michael and John flew to Aruba to retrieve their sister's body. They began asking questions of hotel officials and authorities; they began to doubt Roy's story and the competence of the Aruban police.

They won help from Barbara Stephenson, the US consul general to Aruba. Troubled by what they told her, Stephenson arranged Aruban approval for an FBI evidence team to fly to the island later that week to work with Aruban authorities.

FBI officials have refused to comment about what they found. But both US and Aruban officials involved with the case said in interviews that evidence from the joint investigation suggested Roy's story was false.

From the outset, it seemed implausible that Renee had simply fallen over a 44-inch-high safety railing whose top bar would have nestled under her rib cage. No one had ever fallen over the railings; the only known balcony death at the Wyndham was a suicide several years ago. A new theory began to form.

Protecting the children
The first clues came from the Aruban medical examiner. All of Renee's injuries were consistent with a fall, except two: On her back and behind her right knee were scrapes that contained grit from the hotel's outer wall. The investigators concluded that she fell backward over the railing, from a sitting position, scraping her back and leg on the way down.

Then there was the elevator video, which suggested that both Roy and Renee were intoxicated and that Roy was focused on having sex. Those images fit with the waiter's note on their check that Roy was drunk and with witnesses who saw them dancing sensually at the Tambu Bar.

In fact, the medical examiner concluded that Renee had had intercourse in the hours before she died, and had a blood alcohol level of .196, more than twice Massachusetts' legal driving limit.

The evidence began adding up this way: Renee and Roy were together on the balcony, naked under the moonlight. Renee was seated on the rounded top bar of the railing, facing Roy. Roy held her on the railing as they had sex.

Then something awful happened: somehow, Roy lost his grip. Renee fell backward, scraping her legs and back, falling past one balcony then another, plunging past Dowden on the fifth floor, then slamming head-first into the balcony roof.

The investigators thought the 10-minute gap could be explained as time Roy needed to react to the shock of his wife's death. The theory also might explain why he was in a hurry to leave the island, why he refused her family's requests for a second autopsy in Massachusetts, and why he refused to speak with the FBI.

It might also explain a remark Renee's brother Edward said Roy made two days after she died. After telling Edward his drink-of-water story, Roy suddenly added: ''She had baby oil on.''

''I said, `What are you talking about?''' Edward recalled. ''He didn't answer. He started telling his story again.''

An Aruban government official said authorities refused to disclose their conclusions to the family in part to protect Renee's children.

''It's bad enough the kids don't have a mother,'' said Henry Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs. ''But to not have a mother because she was having sex on the balcony with your father and she fell, well, that's another thing entirely.''

Renee's family reacted angrily when a Globe reporter told them the investigators' sex-on-the-balcony theory.

''How the hell do the FBI and the Aruban authorities get into the business of making up stories for people?'' said her brother Michael. ''What they should say is, `What you told us is not true. Now we have real problems with you as a person who was there at the time of this death. You have anything else to say?'''

Was she aware?
Although the investigators' theory fits key pieces of evidence, troubling questions remain.

Aruban authorities said they closed the case in part because both were drunk and seemed amorous at the bar, leading them to conclude that both participated in dangerous balcony sex.

Authorities from both countries acknowledged, however, that they would have pursued the case if they thought Renee had been unconscious, unwilling, or unable to get onto the railing on her own.

However, Roy was never asked those questions in Aruba. And when FBI agents went to his house in Framingham a week later, armed with a list of 52 questions, Roy turned them away. Among their questions, ''What was her state of consciousness? Was she awake?''

By refusing to cooperate, Roy also spared himself from being asked about evidence relating to those questions: Renee's drowsy appearance in the video, her fear of heights, and Dowden's recollection of a silent ''piece of luggage'' falling.

Mary Ames, a Boston lawyer hired by Renee's brothers, said Aruba's failure to aggressively pursue the case, including the questions of Renee's consciousness, reflects their concern about the country's tourism industry.

''The Aruban government is digging in their heels and insisting on the correctness of their position, and the American government seems powerless on their own to go down and conduct their own investigation,'' Ames said.

''We're caught in this crazy Catch-22,'' she added, ''without answers to find out what happened to this young mother, daughter, sister who went down for this four-day vacation and never came back.''

At the request of Renee's family, Senator John F. Kerry has pressed Aruba to reopen the investigation. In a letter to Aruban diplomats, the Massachusetts Democrat cited unanswered questions that ''intenstified when Mr. Tiano refused to cooperate with any further investigation of his wife's death.

''Mrs. Tiano's family is very concerned that troubling details about the case raise serious questions about the possibility of foul play and merit further investigation,'' Kerry's letter said.

But Aruban officials remain unmoved. ''We have already closed that case,'' insisted Lugo, the Aruban prosecutor.

In response to Kerry's request, Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs, drafted a letter that says a new investigation would require new evidence and a formal request from the US Justice Department. Neither seems forthcoming.

The federal prosecutor in Boston handling the case said there are no grounds for the United States to investigate Renee's death further and no way to force Aruba to act. ''I have tried to rack my brain for ways to find jurisdiction, and I can't. We're not punting this without thought,'' he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

He acknowledged, however, that federal or state authorities could seek fraud charges on US soil if it were shown that Roy made ''material misrepresentations'' to collect life insurance. Lies by a beneficiary about the circumstances of an accidental death could meet that standard, the prosecutor said. But he declined to say whether he would pursue it.

On June 29, three months after Renee died, Roy collected $500,000 from her policy with New York Life Insurance Co. A company spokesman declined to comment about what claims Roy made about her death.

''Absent any court action or legal authority requiring our involvement, this matter is closed for us,'' the insurance company spokesman said.

A headstone and a cross

In the eight months since Renee died, Roy has gone on raising their children in their Framingham home. He has traded in the family minivan for a Cadillac Seville.

He has never wavered from a line from his police statement: ''I don't know how my wife fell from the balcony.''

Renee's family, meanwhile, stews in frustration and pays regular visits to St. Joseph's Cemetery in West Roxbury.

Renee's grave has a red eternal light and a pink granite headstone surrounded by flowers. Her family asked Roy to include her maiden name on the stone, but it says only ''Tiano, Renee Charlene, 1967-2000.''

But someone has placed a small wooden cross at the base of the headstone, with a laminated photo of Renee and her name in white paint. Only her maiden name.

''We're not going to let it go,'' said Renee's brother Edward. ''If we have to go stand in front of travel agents or the Aruban embassy or whatever, we'll do it.''

This story ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on 11/19/2000.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 07, 2006, 10:06:23 PM
Klaas posted this:

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject:    
 
Leslie wrote:
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Pair of American tourists dead
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/10/5/

Translation by Charles Croes posted at RU:

A touristic couple that arrived on Aruba yesterday and that were staying at the Marriott both drowned at Baby Beach after they went snorkeling.

According to information and some witnesses, they could see that the couple was having problems and jumped into the water to resque them.

At the onset, the man was having problems and his female partner went in to assist him, however this turned out to take a turn for the worse since she also drowned

The locals that were able to bring them to dry land tried to give them first aid assistance and mouth to mouth help while the police were on their way, however when the doctor arrived, he pronounced them both as passed away.

This is surely a great shock to the family of the deceased. The police took declarations from all of the witnesses as well as those that tried to rescue them. The DIARIO extends much strength for the family and friends of the deceased.


Of course especially on an island, more drowning deaths might be expected. What caught the attention of several posters is that Baby Beach is, per Aruba's tourist literature, is "shallow, calm" water ideal for children and the inexperienced. It is an inlet (hope that's the right word) that looks to be about two-thirds surrounded by land.

And snorkeling isn't a very dangerous water activity - especially for two adults.

Could something have been wrong with the equipment? Was an autopsy performed on either? Wish we could get in touch with this couple's family.

 :idea:  Literally, a lightbulb just went off for me. I don't know if this is done "everywhere" but I think the usual procedure throughout the U.S. is to perform a forensic autopsy after any unattended death, unless the deceased's attending physician assigns a cause of death and signs the death certificate.

Many deaths that initially appear to be natural cause, accidental, or suicide, are thus found to be "suspicious" or definitely murder/homicide.

Otherwise, it is very easy to conceal the true cause of death.

Wonder if that is done on Aruba.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 07, 2006, 10:33:59 PM
SunFreak2 posted this at LCD Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:45 pm (emphasis added):    

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Baby Lagoon Beach
Baby Beach is located in the area known as Seroe
Colorado at the southeastern end of the island. It got
its name because the calm and shallow waters make
it ideal for children and/or inexperienced swimmers
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Snorkelers will enjoy gorgeous coral heads in the
channel.


Picture of the area is on page 41 of Natalee Holloway LCD thread #529.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 10, 2006, 09:11:57 PM
Thanks to Sandy Liava; posted LCD 10/10/2006, from Diario.

SEARCHING FOR MISSING 14 YR OLD:

MUCHA MUHER DI 14 AÑA DI EDAD TA SER BUSCA

ORANJESTAD.(AAN):---Famia ta prepcupa pa un mucha muher di 14 aña cu desde diasabra nan lo a wak y tende di dje pa e ultimo biaha.

Oranjestad, family proccupied in missing 14 yr old,s dissapearance since saturday from thier area.

Segun famia e di mucha muher yama Zailuka Dañia --su nomber di carino ta “Luka” --cu ta naci na Sint Eustatuis 12 di juni 1992 y ta alumno di EPB San Nicolaas , diasabra anochi su tata a hibe na cas di mama di e mucha aki cu ta na Sabana Basora Nort.77.

According to family the child named Zailuka Dania , called Luka for short, who was born june 12 1992 and is a student at EPB in San Nicholas who left to visit a friend at Sabana Basora north 77.

Parce cu e tata mes no por cu e criatura aki pa cual el a dicidi di hibe cerca su mama. Mama lo a laga porta habri pa ora cu e su yiu muher yega e por drenta tranquil.

It appears the child wanted to visit a friend living closer to her mother. she had been staying with the grand mother. The mom knowing her daughter was to arrive shortly left the door unlocked for the child.

Pero e mucha muher lo a warda ora cu su tata a caba di bahe pa asina e tambe move bay Famia a keda procupa pa e accion di Zailuka y informe cu e famia ta despone di dje ta lo sigiente.

But the daughter failed to arrive. The familys are very worried and are despondent that she has not been found.

“Zailuka” parce a yama warda di polis pa notifica nan cu e ta kedando cerca conoci of amiganan. E yamada el a hasi den transcurso di diadomingo.

Zailuka apparently called the polis station saying she was staying with a friend of a friend. That call took place on Sunday.

Tog e famia no a keda tranquil tampoco satisfecho ya cu nan no sa cerca kende e ta hospeda, of keda scondi .

The family was made aware and remain upset and are not satisfied with that info being correct that she is in hiding or a guest in someones home.

Tambe e mucha a laga sa cu e lo bay scol. Famia a a check cu scol y a resulta cu e mucha muher no a presenta na scol manera e lo a laga polis sa.

The caller, a girl stated that she was attending school on Monday. However when the family went to the school they found out she had not gone there at all.

Apesar cu famia ta contento di a tende di dje pero nan no a dune ningun momento permiso pa bandona cas y tambe esnan cu ta ofrece espacio mester ta responsable tambe di ta laga un criatura menor di edad sin permiso ta permiti di hospeda cerca nan sin permiso di mayornan.

The family stated that she wouldnt go without permission nor leave her home in that manner. She is a minor and wouldnt be gone without permission from an adult.

Nan por sikiera puntra si ta O.K. si e criatura lo por hospeda cerca nan pero ni esey no a tuma lugar.

Neither do they know if the child obtained permission to be at a friend of a friends home.

Tambe tin informe cu diadomingo Zailuka lo a manda SMS pa su mama indicando cu ningun hende no kier e .
Diasabra atardi mes e mama a papia cu su yiu muher na Playa. No ta prome biaha Zailuka lo ta bay for di cas.
E mucha aki mester di yudanza di profesional di reclasering riba corto plazo prome cu e bay riba e caminda robez.

The last time anyone spole with her was on Saturday from the beach areashe was wearind a pink or reddish outfit.

Informe ta indica tambe cu mayornan ya caba lo ta den contacto cu instancianan pa busca un solucion pa Zailuka.

Anyone with information leading to the where abouts of Luka is asked to call Kinder polis atn 5852500 Luka is lightskinned tanned, with black hair

Cualkier persona cu sa paraderp di e mucha muher aki cu ta color cla, delega, su cabey ta preto, por yama warda di Juegd en Kinder Politie na telefoon 5852500.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 10, 2006, 09:15:22 PM
Another hat tip to sandy leiva (whose name I misspelled above  :oops:  ). Also posted on LCD 10/10/2006.

More polis incompetence. there is also another article where 2500 dollars that was in the polis station safe is now missing. An investigation into that is supposed to be happening. Supposedly the money was locked in a safe. They don't seem to know who took it. A judge has been apponited to oversee the investigation.

Can't trust the polis in thier own station LOL.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 11, 2006, 09:10:34 AM
copied from  GretaWire - 8/8/2006?
Extra paragraphs inserted for easier reading.

E-mail No. 10

Dear Greta,

Just got back from Aruba from our yearly vacation there. This time was so different. I think Natalee Holloway is getting back on them.

Apparently the island is inundated with crime due to drugs. My husband and I have been going there for over 12 years and have always felt safe until now. We were robbed of over $3000 worth of stuff on the beach last week during our visit.

They try so desperately to keep it secret — I learned this from the natives. However, the week before us there was another robbery on the beach — denied by the management of our resort (of course, due to public relations, etc.) Two days after we were robbed, so were my friends. A couple we met were robbed at the Lighthouse while visiting the beach! Three natives told me their homes were broken into!

The crime is rampant on the island and word needs to get out. We type messages on the Aruban message boards to warn people and they do not get posted.

I had the pleasure of taunting Deepak Kalpoe at his place of business and then seeing Joran van der Sloot in the old Wyndham casino the night he was freed from the NY lawsuit. He walked in there with such arrogance that I wanted to punch him out! People in the casino that work there patted him on the back with such celebration it made me sick!

The island reeks of corruption! The natives speak of Beth Twitty as a drunken slut who fixed the whole story. I met her last year late at night and she was sober as sober can be!

I have been going to Aruba for so many years — it was my home away from home. However, after being robbed on the beach, meeting Deepak and seeing Joran in action, I am totally confused! It is obvious (and spoken by the natives) that the government is so corrupt. I no longer feel safe in Aruba. How is it that Natalee is missing and these arrogant, low-life a__holes are walking free!

Donna Bykowski
Oakland, NJ


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 11, 2006, 10:55:16 AM
Posted by Klaas on LCD 10/11/2006:

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Nativelingo posted on 6/15/2005:

Sometime last year, ther was an incident about a homemade porn movie involving a 14 year old….not a gang bang, but she did in fact have sex with different boys on the video/dvd….neither Joran or brothers were involved, but they may have copied and sold copies…ALOT of boys sold copies…..


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 16, 2006, 06:25:18 PM
Found this..:

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=5358

Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 05:02 PM  
beaten  
Junior Member   Join Date: October 7th, 2006
Posts: 2
 
 
 Do not go to Cafe Bahia

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On Monday Sept. 3rd 2006 I and my partner with 3 ladies were there and I was beaten by the bouncer and 5 other patrons who were hitting on the 3 girls and did not like it. I asked one of the patrons to stop hitting on the girls for they like girls not boys. To my suprise I was attacked by the patrons and a bouncer. The patrons kicked my feet out from under me and proceeded to kick me to the ground were they and the bouncer kicked the left side of my body braking 3 ribs and fracturing my left shoulder. I need help locating the patrons. They are supposed to be from the Island of Curisel with a drag racing team and frequent the island of Aruba often.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 17, 2006, 04:37:56 AM
SunFreak2 posted this at LCD -


Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject:    

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For the Murder & Crime thread:

Atracadornan tabata dominicano: TURISTA FEMENINO ATRACA Y HERIDA DILANTI DI BRENCHIE’S NA PLAYA
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ayeranochi, banda di 7:30 a drenta informe cu dilanti di Brenchie’s na Playa, un turista femenino cu a bay come na un di e restaurantnan den e becindario, a pasa un mal momento ora cu dos persona cu ta parce di ta tur dos di nacionalidad dominicano, a asalte purbando di ranca su tas y bay cune.

From Diario, 29 August, 2006

A man was arrested for attacking & injuring a female tourist at a restaurant.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 17, 2006, 04:43:26 AM
blechedblack posted this on LCD, re. the incident of the tourist beaten by a bouncer and patrons who were on a racing team:

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject:    

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The One Cool Summer races at Palo Margo Aruba is one
of the biggest yearly international events of Aruba.
This year it was on August 30 through September 3rd
that a group of our local racers went to represent
Curaçao.

http://www.curacaodrag.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=121


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 17, 2006, 06:41:24 AM
The following is from Page 6 of this M&C thread.

From the dates, it looks like three separate incidents of tourists running into trouble in bars/restaurants. (Will have to try to compare.)


Quote from: "msmarple"
klaasend posted on LCD 9/18/2006:
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GOODMORNING ALL!

In todays Diario - looks like something about a bouncer and a tourist:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/18/

Trahando como bouncer na un club nocturno den tempo liber….EMPLEADO DI GOBIERNO DETENI PA MALTRATO SERIO RIBA TURISTA

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Un empleado publico kende ta traha den su tempo liber na un club nocturno ta deteni actualmente pa maltrato pisa contra un turista cu a bay para te na hospital despues di un maltrato serio.

E empleado publico aki di Fam F contrario na Hulanda unda un Arubiano a muri pa maltrato di varios bouncer, esun na Aruba si ta sigui deteni pa e maltrato cu el a comete.

Kico a pasa exactamente cu cos a yega asina leu no ta conoci, pero e empleado publico aki ta sera y e por tin consecuencia tambe pa su trabao.
E turista parce cu te hasta a worde interna den hospital pa e maltrato cu el a haya a base di golpinan cu a ser propone riba dje.

Recherche den e caso aki a detene e sospechoso mientras cu apartemente turista mes a bay su pais caba.


Easywriter wrote:
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Its a case where a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who had to have medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer has been arrested and is in jail. He will lose his job. In the meantime, the tourist has returned home.


Thanks Klaas & Easy.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Grande on October 17, 2006, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Found this..:

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=5358

Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 05:02 PM  
beaten  
Junior Member   Join Date: October 7th, 2006
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 Do not go to Cafe Bahia

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On Monday Sept. 3rd 2006 I and my partner with 3 ladies were there and I was beaten by the bouncer and 5 other patrons who were hitting on the 3 girls and did not like it. I asked one of the patrons to stop hitting on the girls for they like girls not boys. To my suprise I was attacked by the patrons and a bouncer. The patrons kicked my feet out from under me and proceeded to kick me to the ground were they and the bouncer kicked the left side of my body braking 3 ribs and fracturing my left shoulder. I need help locating the patrons. They are supposed to be from the Island of Curisel with a drag racing team and frequent the island of Aruba often.


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 17, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
Posted by leslie on LCD 10/17/1006 - I'm just posting as a followup on this incident, which is included on a previous page of this M&C thread.

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Looks like Rene van Heyningen's wife is appealing her sentence for being found guilty of killing him with a machete in June 2005:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/10/17/

"den corte superior, YESENIA CASTILLO H. AWOR TA BISA HUEZ CU E NO A MATA RENE VAN HEIJNIGEN"

Interesting variation of the spelling of the surname in Diario.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Grande on October 17, 2006, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: "Grande"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Found this..:

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=5358

Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 05:02 PM  
beaten  
Junior Member   Join Date: October 7th, 2006
Posts: 2
 
 
 Do not go to Cafe Bahia

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On Monday Sept. 3rd 2006 I and my partner with 3 ladies were there and I was beaten by the bouncer and 5 other patrons who were hitting on the 3 girls and did not like it. I asked one of the patrons to stop hitting on the girls for they like girls not boys. To my suprise I was attacked by the patrons and a bouncer. The patrons kicked my feet out from under me and proceeded to kick me to the ground were they and the bouncer kicked the left side of my body braking 3 ribs and fracturing my left shoulder. I need help locating the patrons. They are supposed to be from the Island of Curisel with a drag racing team and frequent the island of Aruba often.


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 18, 2006, 10:14:40 AM
Somehow, I missed this one the other day:

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=5419

Monday, October 16th, 2006, 03:57 PM  
 sherry  
Mild Mannered Meek Moderator   Join Date: April 15th, 2004
Location: maryland
Posts: 4,138
 
 
 Aruba Needs Your Help!!

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hi everyone,

we have a bit of a problem that needs your help. as we all know, petty crime has been on the increase in aruba. we can do something about this but not without your help.

the obvious help is protect your belongings. don't be foolish tourists and leave items for other tourists and local criminals to take. remember, although aruba is safer than just about anywhere in our own country, petty crime does exist.

then there is the less obvious help. as requested by the powers that be, we are compiling a list of any crimes that you have witnessed or been the victims of. I don't mean the stupid kid trying to sell you a joint. I mean vandalism, petty theft, and any categories I am missing that have occurred since the first of this year. we want as many details as you remember. location, action, were police called, did they respond in a timely manner, and anything else that you can think of.

We are working closely with the authorities to maintain a safe Aruba as it has always been and continues to be relative to most places. We can be that much more effective at this with your feedback! We would like you to send an email to us with the aforementioned details. if you are uncomfortable sending it to people you don't know, you are welcome to pm me.

i will sticky this post and close this thread so that all replies can be sent to us.

thanks!!!!
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all my life's a circle


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 18, 2006, 11:24:23 PM
Grande posted this on LCD # 533, Oct. 18, page 4:

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Regarding the September 3rd assault at Cafe Bahia...

The bouncer has been released from custody.


Thanks Grande. Wonder what the disposition of the case was? I think we had a previous post that he had been fired ....


Title: Re: Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 20, 2006, 11:15:55 AM
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Most Recent Year first as of 10/20/2006


Does not include all posts, but does include all violent incidents posted.

In most cases, more detail is available on previous pages of this site – although not in chronological order, and there is duplication.

2006
01/06/2006 – An American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday … The Americans victim had become of a overval, where the robbers thousand dollars, credit card and the drivers license of the man buitmaakten. The victims were treated brutally with violence and incurred thereby light wounds. Amigoe.com
Posted 9/14 at Scared Monkeys (SM) Murder & Crime (M&C) thread by msmarple, credit Blogs for Natalee (BFN)

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01/06/2006 - A report which is circulating in Holland caught Diario’s attention, related to a declaration from the High Command of the police in Utrecht. Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case. Diario
Posted 8/14 at M&C by msmarple; from LCD

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03/20/2006 – The ship Rachel S arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person, Bernard Ramsaran, on board, and a local autopsy determined that the man died of natural causes (heart failure). However, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad and Tobago disclosed that he died of traumatic asphyxia; e.g. strangled and choked. The body had visible marks of violence. As Diario asks, how did Aruba miss this one? (Interpol is investigating as a High Seas case.) Diario - also see rcharan@trinidadexpress.com .
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from Getagrip. Update posted 9/13 by Anna. Also 9/13 by Appeals

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04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose; do not know whether that has changed. SM has photos. Amigoe
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

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04/18/2006 – Raul Croes attacked in a restaurant with a machete. Solo di Pueblo
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to leslie

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06/23/2006 – Unknown woman found in trash pile; Bondia prints graphic photo of corpse. SM has photo.
Posted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple; update posted 8/14 by msmarple

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06/??/2006 – Male corpse found floating offshore; reportedly a fisherman, wrapped in tarp. No further detail available. Diario ?
Posted 8/22 at M&C by lexie. Update from Hotshot via msmarple posted 8/29

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06/24/2006 – U.S. tourist “bothered” by “false polis” attempting to exchange sex for a “fine” for an undisclosed, not revealed, offense. Amigoe
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from LCD thread

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07/27/2006 – Gang rape and cell phone taping of 16-yr-old girl at school. Tape is uploaded to internet. Girl’s parents not pressing charges. Diario
Posted 8/14 on LCD by sandy leiva on LCD; to M&C via msmarple

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08/21/2006 –British woman reports attempted rape. Diario
Posted 8/22 at M&C by SunnyInTx, from Refugees Unleashed (RU)

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08/21/2006 – Local female attacked at her Wayaca home by two men who hold knife to her throat; rob the house; demand to know where the woman’s husband, a polis officer, keeps his gun. Amigoe
Posted 8/25 at LCD by Sharon; at M&C 8/25 via msmarple

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08/29/2006 – Diario reports the arrest of a man for attacking a female tourist at a restaurant.
Posted 10/17 at M&C thread by msmarple; posted on LCD by SunFreak2 10/16/2006

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09/03/2006 – U.S. tourist with 4 other people including 3 females, was assaulted by the bouncer and 5 patrons at Cafe Bahia. The tourist had 3 ribs broken and his left shoulder was fractured. Tourist says some of the patrons who attacked him were from the Curacao racing team.
Posted 10/16 at M&C thread by 2NJSons_Mom

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09/18/2006 – Diario reports that a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who subsequently required medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer was arrested and fired. The tourist returned home. This may be a report on the 09/03/2006 incident above.
Posted 9/14 at M&C thread by msmarple, posted by Klaas and Easywriter on LCD 9/18; Diario

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2005
A comparison to U.S. Murder Statistics for the year 2005 is on Page 7 of this thread.

03/??/2005 - Brazilian man murdered by another Brazilian man. BonDia? No details available now.
Posted 8/16 at LCD by Shizaru; to M&C via msmarple

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04/30/2005 - Fatal shooting (victim “E.F.”) during a party near hotel La Cabana. Amigoe.com
Posted 8/20 at M&C by msmarple

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05/20/2005 – Tracy Allen (US tourist) assault attempt near Marriott Fisherman’s Huts (Hadacurari Beach). Provided composite sketch to FBI in December 2005 (sketch also provided to Aruba Polis). Ms. Allen told her story on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby on March 12, 2006). SM has a comparison photo of a local who looks exactly like the sketch -
http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, after mrs. red & san mention on LCD 8/28
msmarple phoned the FBI 9/15 re. the composite sketch resemblance seen here (LCD 9/14, p. 7):
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy


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05/30/2005 – Natalee Holloway last seen with 3 locals leaving C&Cs.
On FBI site “Seeking Information” -
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm
 
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05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach. Diario
Posted 8/19 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

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??/??/2005 – U.S. tourist, female, with friends, same week Natalee went missing. Odd incident resembling an attempted kidnapping.
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2

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06/10/2005 – Aru-Bay videotapes from afar, the curious incident of rock painting in broad daylight (!) by Visibility Police and Polis. Also captured in this tape is what appears to be the recovery of a body. It is eventually claimed to be that of a 7-yr-old illegal immigrant from Columbia, and also that the body “had been found” a year earlier. Why was he there, not in cemetery? SM has access to the videos, and still shots of questionable activity.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by msmarple. SunFreak2’s timeline quoted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple

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06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife and/or “companion” charged.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

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06/23/2005 – This is the date “Combat Jack” posted about an armed gang robbing several casinos (including one he was in). He was told the next day that Polis caught them and most were killed. (Not sure of the credibility of this story. Also no idea of when the alleged incident occurred, but taken in context, it was before Miss Holloway disappeared.) http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/06/combat_jacks_gu_1.html
Posted 9/10 at M&C by Sharon

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Summer 2005 – Two security guards jumped off building (separate episodes). La Cabana Hotel was the site of one (maybe both) of them. That there are two instances, same occupation, maybe same building, make this suspicious. There were at least two other reported suicides that summer – one “on the beach”, one “30-yr-old woman”.
Posted 8/16 at M&C by Tidycat; and 8/29 by Appeals

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11/04/2005 - Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/04/2005 - Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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2004
??/??/2004 – A USAToday story of 6/14/2005 implies there were 5 homicides in 2004, per Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics. “Police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995.”
Posted 9/11 at M&C by msmarple

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??/??/2004 – Dave Holloway stated on Dana Pretzer’s radio show of 10/01/2006, that another girl went missing on Aruba a year before Natalee.
Posted 10/01 at M&C by msmarple

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01/??/2004 – Brian Battjer’s “Ikeepa Diary” web album records his and a friend’s vacation on Aruba 01/2004. The photo journal includes “the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named ‘Ramses’, with local ‘polis chief’ in attendance.” The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.
Posted 8/30 by the big hammer on LCD with credit to BLEACHEDBLACK; to M&C by msmarple 8/30

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05/??/2004 – U.S. tourist Max Devrees, 14, traveling with his mother and younger sister (father was recently deceased). Apparently Max drowned; body never recovered. David Stacey Sr. (56, U.S.) is the older man Max went windsurfing with. Max’s mother was not satisfied with the investigation and was suspicious of Stacey. She started a foundation in his memory to benefit a hospital in their hometown. Meanwhile, some on Aruba claim it was an insurance scam and that Max & his family are living well somewhere in S. America. http://tinyurl.com/hst9o
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2 (see p. 6 for full account)

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07/30/2004 – Security Guard suicide.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/+-580.html
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

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2003
??/??/2003 – U.S. tourist from North Shore Boston told a local TV station that on her last night on Aruba in 2003, a local man "… took me to … Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me." Reported to Aruba Polis; no result.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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2002
01/29/2002 – U.S. tourist Gary Makings disappeared. Last seen when he left to go snorkeling. Was staying at the Arubahouse. travismakings@yahoo.com
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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2001
03/09/2001 – Bulgarian Poli Pantev shot in an elevator at Sonesta Hotel; shooting captured on security camera. Appeared to be drug-related. http://tinyurl.com/khue2
Posted 8/24 at M&C by msmarple. Updates 8/25 by msmarple. Also by Appeals 9/14 and SunFreak2 9/14

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12/24/2001 – U.S. tourist “Marie” from Boston was dragged into a car as she was leaving Carols ‘n’ Charlie’s; the car drove away from the area and she was raped.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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2000
??/??/2000 - Registered deaths due to suicide in 2000: 6; due to homicide, 0. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
Posted 8/27 at M&C by ldstlou

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??/??/2000 – “Five years ago a childhood friend of my husband was murdered in Aruba, a screwdriver was the weapon. As far as I know the murder was never solved, we were told it was drug related and the murderer was a local boy so the government did not do much of an investigation.” -- Ann Graham, Houston, TX (posted in 2005 to a message board; see http://tinyurl.com/mgrqx)
Posted 9/04 at M&C by yapperz1

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1999
??/??/1999 – Registered deaths due to suicide in 1999: 2; due to homicide, 3. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
http://www.ops-oms.org.ve/site/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

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06/09/1999 – U.S. tourist Willard “Bud” Larson disappeared after a dispute at the Windsurf Village Board Shop.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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1998
02/06/1998 – Italian boy Gianni Ferrara was kidnapped from Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Through Venezuelan efforts, the boy was forcibly freed on 04/22/1998; 38 people were arrested.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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03/24/1998 – U.S. tourist Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from cruise ship just after dawn, while docked at Curacao. According to her parents, crew members had tried to get her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Aruba, on the night before she vanished.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic. Updated 9/14 by msmarple

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1996
???/??/1996 – U.S. female tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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08/24/1996 – Richard Henriquez last seen on Aruba. He was being treated for a nervous condition at a local facility. Possibly in South America.
htthttp://p://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 9/16 at M&C by msmarple

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??/??/1996 – U.S. couple traveling with four friends - the two of them were drugged and taken from the hotel casino. Husband was locked in a back room of The Rio Grande. Wife was taken “out to the desert” and raped and beaten. The group was staying at Holiday Inn. Reported to Polis, but no results.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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1987 – 1993
One female in the 15-24 age range was murdered. Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis Core Health Data Initiative
http://www.paho.org/English/SHA/prflaru.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

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NOTE:  SUMMARY HAS BEEN UPDATED ON PAGE 16 OF THIS THREAD
http://tinyurl.com/y872v3


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on October 31, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
A Tourist in 1996:

My heart aches for Natalee and her family. I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the tv, exactly what happened to her. I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE.

In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends. We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino. My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning. I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldnt go to the police. When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the tv for the Holloway-Twitty family. They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commishioner of the casino had a problem with the "man", and were also willing to help my husband and I.

We switched hotels that day, and stayed in most of the time we were there. The night before we were to leave all 6 of us decided to go to the beach. That "man" showed up. My husband and cousin got a hold of him, we asked a hotel worker to call the police (they took almost an hour to get there). We told them what had happened and they simply put him in the back of the police jeep uncuffed, and drove away with him. I guess we were all in shock, my husband and I just glad to be leaving both alive.
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a wh*re-House, no big deal??

I have tried to get in touch with the Beth Holloway, I think I could maybe help her or at least tell her that Natalee didnt feel any pain, as I said I was drugged and I dont remember anything until the next day. A lot of parents are now coming on tv again with the same situations of missing children from all islands, but none have gotten any justice or even an answer. It seems I am the only one to have survived. I pray for Natalee and her family every morning and every night, and badly wish there was a way to comfort her mom, who has been, and has had to be, a very strong woman. My husband had to only endure a couple hours of not knowing if I was alive or what happened. He said he cant imagine how they feel. So our hearts and prayers are with them daily. I hope this all ends soon for them, no mother should have to be put through this.
I havent been able to talk about what happened to me for 9 years, but I would do ANYTHING to help Natalee and her family.

A.Cormier


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on October 31, 2006, 08:09:46 PM
There are also several accounts,usually written about on the tourist boards, about  robbery that occured while in Aruba.

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"On the third night (still with many of the problems unresolved) the villa was broken into while we were sleeping. The thieves were actually in two of our bedrooms while we were asleep!!! We lost everything that was not in the safe in a different bedroom - 2 cameras, cell phone, Tag Hauer watch, cash from that evening, jewelry from that evening, etc. I hesitate to think what could have happened if one of us had awakened. This was a very scary and potentially lethal situation. The next morning we asked to be moved and were transferred to a lovely villa at Tierra del Sol. One of the couples was so traumatized that they returned home to the US immediately. "

http://tinyurl.com/y36nhu

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ripped off at the Mill Inn
What a nightmare. I booked this hotel as an add on to our one week timeshare in Aruba. The night before our departure home we went out to eat and returned to find our room ransacked, robbed, the room's safe wide open with our stuff gone. Missing: $250 from the LOCKED safe, $1200 worth of cameras, GPS, etc. Compensation from hotel management: $122. Sorry, we expected more-- lots more. WHY? This was a "set up" room. The lock mechanism was exposed from the outside. ( I only noticed in the darkened entry way AFTER the robbery when I tried to understand how they got in.) The 2nd floor patio door was left open. Well, they used a simple tool(pliers, etc.) to reach inside the mechanism and simply open the front door, MUST have had the safe company's electronic overide device to override the digital PIN only I knew and opened the safe, picked all the electronics from the dresser, opened the patio door to retrieve anything they may have missed and walked right out the way they came in. Paid 60 days in advance with Expedia and no compensation there either. Lesson learned: never book with an independent hotel where there is no "corporate" leverage to keep the locals honest and, CLOSELY inspect your door security before you agree to stay in a room. This room was one of TWO on the entire second floor with this "open" door to burglars. There is nothing that explains the cash stolen directly from the safe except them HAVING the hotel's safe override deviceThe hotel mgmt agreed to write a note to me indicating the inadequecy of their room security but never did so and refused answering my emails. Disgusted. Will never return to Aruba and will tell all I know not to visit. They want my American money-- all of it.

http://tinyurl.com/y8jh3x

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Aruba: Paradise Beach Villas: "Trouble At Paradise"
Jan 21, 2005  A TripAdvisor Member, Boston, Ma.
   
I would have given a zero rating, but the people we met were too nice. The first nite of our stay we got robbed in our room while we slept. As far as the resort goes our first impression of the place started out less than stellar, the buildings are all pink, not that I mind pink, but it's just a bit too much pink. The first set of hallways we walked down smelled very badly of mold, the carpets were ripped up and dirty, the vending machines were beat up. When we finally got to our room after walking for about 1/4 mile, we opened the doors to see a set-up from the 1970's, from the kitchen stove that had rust holes to the pink tub with mold around it that didn't drain when you showered. After complaining to the staff they reluctantly moved us to the front building, which was built in the late 1990's. Anyone that gives the Paradise Villas a good rating had to have stayed in these units since they are in much better shape and don't wreak of mold, we actually liked our unit except for the floors which are like an ice skating rink, do to the humidity and lack of a dehumidifier. As far as the staff and security, they blamed everyone but themselves for someone climbing up the balcony and breaking into our room while we slept, they said we should have had the money in the safe. But unfortunately our safe did not work. As far as the 4 security guards well when I went downstairs the next night after midnight they were all hanging out in the lobby sipping coffee. The staff was absolutely no help after the robbery, I wanted to call the USA to cancell my ATM and the lady at the front desk said she couldn't help me, she told me to go to the pay phone around the corner, which I went to but it didn't work. Also don't ever get robbed in Aruba on a Sunday like we did, because the police station is closed on Sundays.
By the way if the robber ever reads this, you missed the 21 $100 bills right underneath my wallet. Thank You!

http://tinyurl.com/y6jsk6

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E-mail No. 4

Greta,
I have been following the Natalee Holloway story since the beginning. My family and I were vacationing in Aruba when Natalee disappeared. We follow the story nightly on your show for the latest updates and as a parent, I appreciate your coverage and determination to keep this story in the public eye and assist the Holloway family in their search for the truth. I fear if it were not for the media coverage, this case would have already been set aside as an unsolved disappearance.
There is one comment that is continually made by Arabian authorities in regard to the low crime rate in Aruba. Could this statistic be due to the record keeping of the same authorities that are also responsible for the current investigation? When you reported last night that authorities had stated that security cameras were being installed in several hotel areas for security purposes I felt inclined to share what happened to my family while we were vacationing there. We were burglarized while we were sleeping in our bedrooms in Aruba House. One of my daughters, returning from visiting with other family members at another location, walked in while this was going on but was unaware of the danger. We discovered that we had been robbed the next morning and was advised to report the situation to the property manager. We did so and was advised that the security company would be notified to review the film from the security camera and that we would be notified of their findings. When we did not hear back, we again contacted the property manager to be informed that they were not able to determine anything from the film. This was on the night before we were scheduled to fly out the next morning. Upon returning home we contacted the owner of Aruba House and was advised to contact the property manager to file a police report. I did so but was advised that I would need to do that in person. All I am trying to say is that security camera are not necessarily a deterrent to crime. I continue to think of what could have happened to any member of my family if we had awakened during the robbery. I do not consider Aruba "One Happy Island."
I just wanted to share this experience with you and as much as we loved the island of Aruba, I do not plan to return because of the way the Holloway case has been handled as well as our personal experience. I would like the Holloway family to know that we will continue to pray for resolution to the disappearance of Natalee. Please continue with your coverage.
Pam Curtis

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on October 31, 2006, 08:12:04 PM
Wow, thanks Florida and bleached black.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on October 31, 2006, 08:13:37 PM
Author: FirstTimeVisitor (---.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
Date:   11-22-05 14:53

Back from first trip to Aruba and didn't have a great experience. We rented a private home near the California Lighthouse and on our second night there it was robbed. We lost two passports, cell phones, an iPod, a laptop, a necklace, sunglasses and camera cords. It was only our second night there so it put a damper on our trip.

We tried to make the best of it and did have some fun but were always a little nervous as to what we would find when we got back to the house. We did go on the Kuku Kinuko bus, the Mi Dushi, and the Tattoo and had a blast. Also, did a lot of snorkeling.

So, please make sure you lock your valuables up but even that may not help. Our safe was ripped out of the floor and the room was broken open with a crowbar.

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 Re: Trip report 11/12 - 11/19 not a great experience
Author: Janet (---.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net)
Date:   11-22-05 17:07

Sorry about your experience. I am also very familiar with getting robbed in Aruba. When I was robbed there last year, the thiefs ripped the safe out of the wall and took it with them. My other two experiences were in connection with my car.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on October 31, 2006, 08:20:12 PM
Re: crimes
Author: Donnab (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   08-07-06 21:33

Drugs are a major problem among the natives.

I was robbed on the beach. Aruba is no longer a paradise. Word has spread--be careful.


Re: crimes
Author: peter b (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   08-08-06 18:11

I WAS ALSO ROBBED ON THE BEACH LAST WEEK. MY POST TO WARN PEOPLE WAS DELETED.I STARTED GOING TO ARUBA IN THE 70'S. I AM NOT RETURNING. LETS SEE IF THIS IS DELETED.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 01, 2006, 04:29:00 AM
Found some 2004 Murder & Suicide figures, from -

Amigoe.com 11 Jul, 2005, posted at
Blogs for Natalee here: http://tinyurl.com/yb7yry

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In 2004 ... There were five regret deads as a result of violence offences. Two times fell a victim as a result of the use of a fire weapon, a time by one twinge weapon and two deads fell as a result of intentional fire foundation. Three of the victims in the district San Nicolas could be regretted; the other two victims fell in North and Oranjestad.

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Also the cases of suicide have been registered by the Stohd. In 2004, of living have deprived himself eight persons. Below seven men and a woman. In the districts Oranjestad and Santa Cruz this two times happened; in North celebrate time.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 02, 2006, 06:50:37 PM
ARUBA BY KAREN MARINO

My  Mom and Dad just got in last night from their 1-month trip to
Aruba. Of course they loved it and had perfect weather.

They  did  mention  a  couple  of things that surprised me -- but
maybe  some  of  you  have  already heard about them. I thought I
post  what  they  told me...of course, stories to get embellished
along the way.

First  they  said  just  before  they  got  there  2/1  Columbian
Emeralds  (at  the  Marriott,  I  believe) was robbed my men with
machine  guns  who shot up the jewelry cases. I don't believe the
store  was  open  at  the  time,  however  I'm  not  certain. Now
Columbian Emeralds has security all around with 9mm pistols.

Then  there  was  a supposed "hit" on someone in town. The gunman
shot  the  wrong  person  and  an Aruban woman was shot (I do not
know  if  she  was killed). Evidently the Arubans were protesting
on  the  streets  after  this  incident  because  the  hitman was
Venezuelan or Columbian.

My  parents were visiting friend of their who were staying at the
Americana.  They  were  seated  under  a  few  palms close to the
sidewalk  that  runs  between  the  hotels and the beach - on the
edge  of the Americana near the watersport place by the Radisson.
My  mom  left  her  beachbag  with  nothing in it but sunglasses,
lotions,  an  inexpensive  watch  and  some  "junk".  She had the
beachbag  fastened  closed  with the rope that secures it and had
it  tied  to  the  lounge chair while my parents took a walk into
the  Radisson  for  something.  When they came back she went into
her  bag  which  was  still tied to the lounge and she found that
someone  had taken her watch and sunglasses. After they had taken
her stuff they had the time to secure the bag like she had it.

She  then  noticed  a  Dutch  couple  nearby  them  who said that
someone had stolen their entire beach bag!

So  don't  bring  much to the beach and take it with you when you
wander.  They've  been  going  for 10 years and never have had an
incident.

An  interesting  note  was  they said there was a yacht about 150
foot  long  docked by Sonesta. My Dad was talking to the crew who
told  him  that  Tom Cruise had been on it, and had just left the
day before.

Also  they mentioned that they are opening a brewery jointly with
Grolish  (sp? I'm not up on the proper spelling of my beers). And
that  it  will  be  an Aruban beer. Maybe the beer prices will be
more reasonable.

All  in  all  they  had  a  great  time,  good food and came home
slightly  up  a few $$ on the gambling end. I can't imagine going
to  the  casinos  every night for 30 days. They're ready for next
year and so am I.

http://www.caribtravelnews.com/c0497_02.htm


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 02, 2006, 06:52:45 PM
Posted by: American Eye Doll | June 28, 2005 6:49 PM

The crime in Aruba needs to be publisized. We were there Thanksgiving weekend, there is not enough police presence or security. Our battery was stolen from our rental car & while we were at the police station, we met Americans who had their room robbed. I WILL NEVER TAKE MY CHILDREN TO ARUBA AGAIN> I also was told that a tourist was robbed last year in the same area our battery was stolen. WE WERE STRANDED IN A TOURIST AREA WITH OUR SMALL CHILDREN & HAD TO HAVE THE RENTAL CAR TOWED> ARUBA GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME... WE PAY ENOUGH IN HOTEL TAXES & UTILITY CHARGES IN ARUBA WHEN WE VISIT. WE SPEND OUR AMERICAN MONEY. .

http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2005/06/crime_in_aruba.php


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 02, 2006, 06:56:35 PM
Excerpt from a lengthy Aruba Trip Report. Follow link for full report.

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 One interesting, upsetting thing that happened while we were there was an
armed bank robbery at the Aruba bank near the high-rise hotels on Palm Beach. One of the bank tellers was actually killed. They arrested 20 or so people but didn't get all of them. The Arubians were very upset by this crime,
stating in the tourist paper that there hadn't been a crime like that since
1983. Aruba has always seemed to us to be a peaceful, safe place. We hope
that our little piece of paradise does not change too much with the infusion
of drugs and influence of other countries.

http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip256.html


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 02, 2006, 07:03:52 PM
Excerpt from yet another account of a robbery in Aruba. For entire Trip Report follow link.

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Now for the BAD NEWS!! The second day we were there we were robbed yes believe it or not I guess you can not get away from crime no matter where you go. I was told by someone on the B.B. that the best place to snorkle on the island was Mangel Halto which it was. I never saw so many great fish in such shallow water. But then we get back the the car and I opened the trunk to get the bag out and it was gone I said someone took our bag. I then said how did they get in then we go around to see that they had pop the lock on the car door. So had to call the police and it was off to San Nicolas police station for 2 hours so they could fill out a report. Did not have much of value in the bag it just left a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of the day. I did not let it ruin my vacation just please watch where you go.

http://tinyurl.com/y2hd78


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 02, 2006, 07:09:25 PM
ROBBERY AT DIVI VILLAGE ARUBA      

Just a note to warn people I thought I was safe, my family was safe
in ARUBA, but his year would have been our 5th year, my husband
retired on the 31st of October, so we didn't use our week but my
daughter did, the room was broken into, a $300 Nextel phone her
friend's was taken her ESQ watch I bought her when she started at
DELTA, her camera, and her friends clothes, even his bathing suits,
we are in D Bldg unit 8202, they even took the VCR she noticed that
today, it makes you feel very unsafe, so thank God she was not alone
or in the shower, they didn't get into the safe. LOW CRIME??I don't
think so I have noticed people smoking pot on the beach in broad day
light natives?? Things can be replaced and thank God no one was hurt
but I will never feel safe there again. Does anyone know crime
statistics for Aruba???
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arubavisitor/message/111


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on November 02, 2006, 10:06:55 PM
bleachedblack - thanks for finding and posting all these events!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on November 05, 2006, 07:26:56 AM
Front page newspaper story about the Raul Croes murder in a restaurant in April 2006 and the man who murdered him with a machete:
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pages/Nov/4-11-2006.html


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2006, 11:56:32 PM
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There was an account on a blog of an armed robbery of a casino full of gamblers in Aruba a few years back.  Does anyone know where that can be found?  I used to have it on my other hard drive.

Seems the man was present when armed masked robbers entered a casino and robbed it as well as the customers and left.

If anyone has information on this please post.  Thanks.

And thanks for all these posts.  So many burglaries while the people in the room asleep.  I wonder what would have happened if they had awakened while the burglars were still at work in the room?    I also wonder how so many could gain entry into supposedly locked hotel rooms.  

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 07, 2006, 12:13:06 AM
Hey, Anna - We have an armed robbery at a casino, posted by sharon on page 4 here I think. Don't know if it's the one you're thinking of?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 14, 2006, 04:24:47 PM
Leslie posted this 11/14/2006 at the LCD; it's a Bon Dia article from the same date:

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Here is another murder to add:
 
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Nov/14/A-14-11-06.pdf

Page 3-Look for the phrase " curpa sin bida" translated means "body without life". The vistim's name was Igmar Camallo.


I'll see if I can get a little bit more translated later.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on November 14, 2006, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hey, Anna - We have an armed robbery at a casino, posted by sharon on page 4 here I think. Don't know if it's the one you're thinking of?


Yes, Sharon's account from Combat Jack is the armed robbery of a casino full of gamblers that I was trying to recall.

Thanks!  We have had so much help with this, they have really covered a tremendous amount of crime in just a very few short years.

How on earth Aruba could have ever claimed to be crime free just boggles my mind!

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 15, 2006, 10:43:01 PM
Not sure if you are looking for this type of report. Please feel free to delete if you are looking for more serious crime.

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Photo & film
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looking for Aruba:   stolen photography equipment
Price:   
Description:   On Monday the 26th of June during the day there was a burglary at my house in Santa Cruz and they took ALL my photography equipment.Who've seen men with camerabags? Who has seen any of the following items??
CANON EOS 1n camera, SIGMA 105mm lens, COSINA 19-35mm lens,TAMRON 28-200 mm lens, SOLIGER 100-400 mm lens.MANFROTTO tripod, filters, CANON flashlight, remote cable...
Please call me!
Name:   Mulder
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Telephone:   5672649
Bekeken:   318
Date:   30-06-2006

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 15, 2006, 10:56:59 PM
05/03/2005 Wade Ralph (Avg: 4.08 Review) - I snorkeled this site 5 times in 7 days. Lots of fish around rocks, abundant starfish, saw a Moray Eel, lobster, puffer fish early morning. The reefs were sand covered due to Hurricane Ivan last fall. Malmok and Depalm slope best on the island. Beware of theft @ Malmok as my rental car was stolen 4-30-2005 while I snorkeled. They took key out of bag hidden in rocks. Very common per Police.

http://tinyurl.com/y5jy3b

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Join Date: August 30th, 2006
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Angry Watch your luggage!!
We checked in this past Sunday, handed our luggage over to a bellman and headed out to the pool while we waited for our room to be ready. Two and a half hours later, we were surprised to see that our luggage was still outside and even more surprised (and disgusted) to discover that an IPOD had been stolen from a backpack while the luggage was in their care. So far, Marriott has denied responsibility even through it is clear that they were negligent in not putting the bags into their secure area. My advice, don't leave your bags with them or at a minimum accompany them to the secure area so the start of your vacation will not be ruined as ours was.

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Location: Rhode Island
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Default Re: Watch your luggage!!
I agee last year I had my digital dive camera stolen from the Cart ....

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on November 15, 2006, 11:13:02 PM
By the bear
January 12th 2006
Everyone i met there was pretty friendly, taxi-drivers, shopkeepers, etc. but there was a couple mugged outside of our resort while we were there and i definitely wouldn't go around at night without a big group and at least one boy per taxi. I certainly wouldn't classify it as a scary place, a little common sense seemed to go a long way in terms of security, and i would definitely go back. Go back and stay at the Hyatt. The gorgeous gorgeous Hyatt. On the beach with a casino and TCBY. Sigh.

http://tinyurl.com/t6ujk

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 16, 2006, 09:43:35 AM
Amigoe.com - 11/15/2006:

Minister accused of assault

ORANJESTAD –A woman has lodged an assault complaint against a minister of the Oduber-cabinet.  The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba confirmed that the police are investigating the complaint of a woman against a minister.  The OM didn’t say much about this matter.  

The case has caused a lot of commotion on the island. There are a lot of speculations on whom this minister is, and that he has left for Miami.  Correspondent of Z-86 in Curacao, Toko Winklaar and chide editor of the Aruban newspaper Awe Mainta reported that the only minister that is currently abroad is Ramon Lee (MEP).  He didn’t say though that Lee is the offender.    The victim is supposedly an employee of another minister.  It is not clear whether the charge is assault, sexual intimidation, or even rape.

From Amigoe.com/english 11/27/2006

ORANJESTAD – Glenda Oduber, wife of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is called to witness in the matter of the reporting against Minister Ramon Lee. The national detective is currently investigating a reporting on sexual offence against the minister of Labour, Sport, and Culture. Oduber’s wife is interrogated because before the reporting, the supposed victim had telephoned her about what happened. “Hundreds of people call here every day with all sorts of storeys. We cannot check everything whether they are true or not. That would mean that we are in court every day or called to witness”, was the premier’s comment on the witness call.

Oduber says that they received the call to witness via fax around 16:30 on Thursday. Several newspapers reported this the next day already, which is very strange. “Only we and the Public prosecutor are supposed to know about the call”, said Oduber. His opinion is that all the parties have to be careful and reserved about the case. “It’s a very sensitive matter and I regret the way everything is now in the media. I also regret the fact that I had to hear the woman cry again telling her story on several radio stations today (Friday, editor).”

He therefore hopes that the OM will soon have a definite answer on the legal actions and on what had happened exactly. It’s not right for the government and definitely not for his wife. He does not understand why his wife was called by the National detectives. “This is a small community and everybody has stories. Since I receive a lot of calls, my wife has become kind of a secretary at home. She hears so many things, but she cannot determine what is true and what is not. Why didn’t the woman go straight to the police instead of calling my house? Only somebody that has seen what happened or that knows the details can be considered a witness. And that’s not my wife.”


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 17, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Posted at Blogs for Natalee by PearlinUSA on 11/16/2006. Not a very good translation, but the gist seems to be that "saying Aruba is unsafe is treason."

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Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - OCT. - NOV. 2006
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Interesting little tidbit from the dutch amigoe version today .. waiting for chance to read in English.

ORANJESTAD - we have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. A arubaan who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible. That says to minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of justice on remarks of Jorge Pesquera, director of Aruba hotel And Tourism Association (Ahata). 16 Nov, 2006, 17.29 (GMT -04:00)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 17, 2006, 03:49:57 PM
Posted by dkpen on the LCD, 2:02 a.m. 11/17/2006.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/LeilaCnCspickupspot.jpg)

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on November 17, 2006, 06:50:14 PM
MsMarple,
I hope readers will be able to find this thread over here.  It was doing so well I would hate to mess with that.

Also, I was going to post the article about the minister of government being accused of assault but you are just too fast for me and too good.

When something is this systemic, one has to wonder if this is a cultural problem for this man surely is not just some garden variety punk but a representative of the sitting government.  I wonder why he left the country if innocent?



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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 17, 2006, 09:06:42 PM
Posted by Sue at LCD (emphasis added). Sign. I guess I'll write a letter to Gary Lee too.  :?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject:    

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Found This at BFN interesting reading

http://www.newsday.com/travel/am-caribcrime,0,860966.story?coll=ny-travel-headlines

Trouble in paradise: Crime in the caribbean
BY GARY LEE
THE WASHINGTON POST

November 17, 2006, 2:35 PM EST


Accounts published in Caribbean news media and on locals' blogs indicate that break-ins at small hotels or vacation rentals are occurring more frequently on some Caribbean outposts and in parts of Bermuda and the Bahamas.

No overall regional statistics are available on vacation home thefts affecting tourists in the Caribbean. However, the most recent U.S. State Department consular information sheets, which give up-to-date safety information on countries around the globe, cite break-ins in the past year in St. Lucia, Trinidad and Tobago, Anguilla, St. Kitts, Nevis, Aruba, Bonaire and St. Maarten. The reports also have begun recommending that visitors lock valuables in hotel safes and other properties on almost all Caribbean islands, Bermuda and the Bahamas.

Until recently, the biggest worry facing most tourists in the Caribbean was petty crime: aggressive soliciting, muggings and purse snatchings. But in the past two years, according to accounts by travelers and in the Caribbean press, a rising number of infractions have occurred in vacation accommodations. In most cases, intruders broke into quarters and took cameras, cell phones, cash, laptops and passports. In some cases, they raped or killed.

In June, for instance, an American couple at Mago Estate, a small eco-lodge near the southern tip of St. Lucia, were awakened in the night by intruders. They were robbed, and the wife was raped, according to an account on a Web site they created. Two suspects are awaiting trial.

In a string of incidents that have rocked the island of Tobago in the past year and a half, four robbers -- masked and wielding cutlasses -- entered a rental villa in the upscale Mount Irvine area and attacked three men from England. The incident left two of the visitors with cuts from the weapons.

In July 2005, a British teen-ager vacationing with his family in a private residence in St. James Parish, Barbados, was shot and killed by an intruder. Three men have been charged.

To be sure, incidents like those affect a minuscule percentage of travelers to the Caribbean.

"We're not saying don't go to these islands," said a State Department spokesman, who asked not to be quoted by name, in keeping with department policy. "But take the same precautions that you would in other places."

Most tourism authorities and property owners also emphasized the low crime rate in the islands compared with resorts in the United States or other places. In some islands, officials have responded by beefing up crime-fighting forces. St. Lucia added police officers, brought in senior law enforcement officials from England and is installing a forensics lab to assist in crime follow-up, said Kirby Allain, a spokesman for the government of St. Lucia. In Tobago, the government plans to supplement the police force, install new streetlights across the island and introduce more patrols in popular beach areas. Anguilla also has increased its police force.

Faced for the first time with rising crime, many of the locals and travel vendors on the affected islands have been jolted. "Over the years, we have had so little crime that when we have some, it sets us back," said Kimberly Mahabir, a manager at Tobago's Caribbean Estates, Lands & Villas, a real estate and rental agency. "But now we have to adjust and make whatever changes are necessary for our safety and that of visitors."


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 17, 2006, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
MsMarple,
I hope readers will be able to find this thread over here.  It was doing so well I would hate to mess with that.

Also, I was going to post the article about the minister of government being accused of assault but you are just too fast for me and too good.

When something is this systemic, one has to wonder if this is a cultural problem for this man surely is not just some garden variety punk but a representative of the sitting government.  I wonder why he left the country if innocent?
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I would bet you answered that question via the question! Probably has checked into Rehab!

Only problem I have with the mirroring of the thread, is that the regular forum Index, Natalee Holloway topic, is still THERE (good), but is not visually reflecting new posts (bad). People think nothing new has been added since 11/14, 9 pages.

Once they click it, though, they can see that more than 9 pages are there.


Title: Pass the buck...pass the florin...
Post by: Leslie on November 20, 2006, 08:14:26 AM
Nov 17, 2006 - Section 1- Page 4
The Minister of Justice of Aruba Rudy Croes writes a letter to the head of AHATA (in English)
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
It is a fact that tourism is down, but it has nothing to do with crime but rather a lack of promotion by the non-Aruban members of AHATA.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 24, 2006, 12:49:44 AM
Posted by klaas -

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject:    

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This was posted by ChicagoOutfit at BFN. He has some people/friends in Aruba right now:

Interesting; more references to the southwest, presumably Saventa. On a sad note, I understand there was a murder this morning in Aruba. All I have heard at this point is that the victim worked at a Valero Gas Station in North Aruba, near a gated community. I imagine there will be news coverage in the local papers tomorrow


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on November 24, 2006, 06:22:31 AM
Murder at the Bongo Bar in San Nicolas
Pedro Arthuro Gomez-Torres, 39, native of Columbia
worked at Valero Palmbeach
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/11/24/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on November 24, 2006, 08:36:42 PM
Thanks Leslie.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 01, 2006, 08:32:30 AM
Diario, Dec. 1 2006

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ORANJESTAD (AAN): Siman pasa na San Nicolas, a tuma lugar un caso serio na unda e homber naci na Colombia yama Pedro Arthuro Gomez-Torres a worde maltrata pa un grupo di aparentemente chollernan.

E dia encuestion docter no por a duna oficialmente kico lo por tabata e causa di su morto. Pero Fiscal e marduga ey a dicidi di confisca e curpa y pa patologo practica autopsia. Mientras e investigacion a continua y Recherchenan encarga a cuminsa mobiliza pa interoga personanan cu lo por a wak tende kico lo por a tuma lugar.


Looks like a man from Colombia was found dead, in a choller apartment? I see "autopsy" and "investigation continuing" ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 03, 2006, 12:40:02 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Anna"
MsMarple,
<snip>
Also, I was going to post the article about the minister of government being accused of assault ... <snip>.

When something is this systemic, one has to wonder if this is a cultural problem for this man surely is not just some garden variety punk but a representative of the sitting government.  I wonder why he left the country if innocent?
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I would bet you answered that question via the question! Probably has checked into Rehab!

<snip>


Would like to clarify that the emphasized portion above was not intended to be a political comment. Or dismissive of Rehab. We certainly hear this a lot when public figures (of all kinds) get into trouble; we don't hear about it for non-public figures, or anyone who, to his/her credit, has not gotten into major legal trouble before going to Rehab.

Indeed one of the helpful things about Rehab is the ability to keep the public, the press, and even one's friends and family totally removed from the process - because no telling who is enabling, supplying, providing the triggers, etc.

I have known too many families that have struggled with addiction to treat the subject lightly. And am aware that not all addictions are directly chemical - gambling, shopping, sex are among many other legal activities that produce a "high" which, as I understand it, is the exact same brain chemical reaction as externally introduced drugs. Addiction to those activities, not normal pursuit, is what leads to trouble.

(I am probably not saying that very well, but hope you get the gist.)  

My comment was an unfortunate attempt at humor at the expense of an Auba official, whom I considered to be fair game, and I am sorry that there was more to be read into it than intended.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2006, 11:24:54 PM
Posted today (12/3/2006) by Grande at T4N:[/b]

Grande wrote:
I don't know if this has been published yet or not, but I am told there was a 16 year old boy was killed last night outside of Carlos & Charlies amounting to the 2nd murder in 10 days.

Here is what I was told;

"Last night there was another killing infront of C&C. A 16 year old boy was killed. From what I heard, there was a fight outside of C&C and the kid was not even involved in the fight. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no shooting. So, I guess, he was hit and punched and he died. C&C gets very very very busy on weekends. So, a lot of people dont bother going in. They just stand outside the bar, hangout, drink and do drugs and then start fights....Well, that's exactly what happened last night and a young boy lost his life. Well, this is the 2nd murder in 10 days on the one happy island..."


and a follow-up:

Here are a couple other details I have heard...

The alleged suspect was recently released from jail

Was an employee of Tony Romas as of yesterday

Turned himself in today and has apparently taken his own life.

I have no idea how this will be reported and cannot confirm the validity at this point. I am fairly certain on all three accounts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news regardless of the origin.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 04, 2006, 10:29:51 AM
Followup on the above from today's Diario:

Sospechoso A.U.I. di 27 aña a reporta na polis PELEA DILANTI CARLOS ‘N CHARLIE’S A RESULTA FATAL PA UN HOBEN Hoben Mayron Bayne di apenas 16 aña a perde su bida.

Believe the victim was Hoben Mayron Bayne, age 16.  :cry:

I *think* the suspect is "A.U.I." age 27. Is Carpe saying he committed suicide after he was arrested?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 05, 2006, 02:08:41 AM
. I read it as the suspect committed suicide also.  Tyler is calling it Arubicide which would help to explain some of these very convenient acts of taking ones own life.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Elaine on December 08, 2006, 10:50:49 PM
You are doing a GREAT job on this thread! Keep up the good work monkeys!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 09, 2006, 12:46:48 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
You are doing a GREAT job on this thread! Keep up the good work monkeys!



Thank you, Elaine.  I am just pondering if a murder suicide should only count as one crime when the suicide is also believed to be crime related as in this instance.

Guess so but seems a shame to just ignore that second killing of himself.

Arubicide is the word Tyler uses to describe that, suspicious suicides.


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 10, 2006, 11:41:26 AM
Posted by Hotshot on LCD --

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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject:    

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An arrest in the "Pitbull" Case. I cant understand it, but there are 2 people.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/9/


Here is the Diario article:

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ORANJESTAD(AAN): Durante tratamento di e caso cu a impacta Aruba esta e caso di Guadirikiri, casa di Dinesh Djoegan a haya oportunidad di entrega un demanda, relaciona cu loke a sosode cu su casa. Prome cu el a entrega e demanda, el a dirigi algun palabra na e acusadonan Sigmond H., Kim P. y Michael L.

El a puntra nan bao di lagrima, kico nan lo a bise, si en berdad nan lo a logra deshaci di e curpa di Djoegan, sin cu un hende a haya esaki. Despues di esaki sra Djoegan a puntra Kim.P, con e como mama di dos yiu a sinti, na momento cu el a cuminza corta e pia afo di curpa di Djoegan. Sra Djoegan no por a contene su lagrimanan y huez a splike cu eingelijk e no ta permiti di dirigi palabra na e momentonan ey na e acusadonan, sino entrega su demanda.


Looks like 3 suspects ... there is something in the 2nd paragraph about "cutting the leg" [off?]


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on December 11, 2006, 01:45:21 AM
From Trip Reports dated 10-4-05 .....a tourist's observation.

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we went to carlos and charlies. we did see a young girl there who seemed fine and then all of a sudden dropped to the floor and was carried off to stage area. a few minutes later a man carried her out and we did not see or hear of her again. did not hear of anything bad happening to her either. however, the thought of her being drugged did occur to all of us there.

http://tinyurl.com/yksnc4


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 14, 2006, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Followup on the above from today's Diario:

Sospechoso A.U.I. di 27 aña a reporta na polis PELEA DILANTI CARLOS ‘N CHARLIE’S A RESULTA FATAL PA UN HOBEN Hoben Mayron Bayne di apenas 16 aña a perde su bida.

Believe the victim was Hoben Mayron Bayne, age 16.  :cry:

I *think* the suspect is "A.U.I." age 27. Is Carpe saying he committed suicide after he was arrested?


Posted by Leslie on LCD 12/13/2006

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The man who killed the 16 year old boy, outside of C&C's did not commit suicide. His name is Anthony Ignacio and he is pictured after his court appearance.
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/13/A-13-12-06.pdf
Page 10


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 16, 2006, 12:41:11 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/16

A man has been accused of killing a 4-month old child, I  think his own;  "DNA" is mentioned in the article.

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Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar e caso den cual Ferdinand Alexander D. a wordo acusa di a mata Alexander D. E caso aki a impacta comunidad di Aruba, mirando cu e homber a wordo acusa di a mata su propio baby di 4 luna.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 17, 2006, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/16

A man has been accused of killing a 4-month old child, I  think his own;  "DNA" is mentioned in the article.

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Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar e caso den cual Ferdinand Alexander D. a wordo acusa di a mata Alexander D. E caso aki a impacta comunidad di Aruba, mirando cu e homber a wordo acusa di a mata su propio baby di 4 luna.


Re. the death of the baby "D" above - The following were posted in LCD #561 12/16/2006 and 12/17/2006:

Leslie posted:
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His name is Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff...sound familiar?


Florida posted:
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RUTH DIJKHOFF-HOLTMAN (Holtman is her maiden name)

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita)
(Dijkhoff is her maiden name...
FWIW: Werleman's own the Lighthouse Restaurant and hotels)

Also by Florida:
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Adding: Roberto Dijkhoff is the Bank Manager
Could Ruth Dijkhoff work at the bank?
Did Paulus need to withdraw "big" or needed a loan?


In response to a query by Altruist , Leslie posted:
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Yes, PVDS used Ruth Dijkhoff's name as a witness to his afternoon banking story, but we have no proof that it happened. There is no declaration from this woman and on June 18, 2005 a Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann died at the age of 50. Was her death from an illness, an accident, foul play or suicide? PVDS's witness statement from June 18th does not mention the banking story or this woman, but his June 23rd suspect statement does. Notice the dates. I am inclined to believe the woman who died was the same one who Paul named and that he knew she could never rebute his story.

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita) was the long-time VDS "maid" who was present at the house on May 30, 2005. Because of my ignorance of the Aruban naming customs, I don't know what Rita or Ruth's maiden names were or if they were related. Of course, Paul VDS would know if they were sisiters or sisters-in-law. Dijkhoff is a common name in Aruba. Another interesting fact re: the death of Ruth Dijkhoff is that her funeral arrangements were handled by the funeral home that Yolanda Wever co-owns and her funeral was in Germany. Did her body or her ashes go to Germany? Did that VDS maid go to the funeral in Germany and is that why her declaration to the polis was delayed? Now this young man, named Dijkhoff, is guilty of killing his infant daughter and it seems that drugs played a part in this crime.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2006, 08:35:17 AM
MsMarple,

I guess we will have to await word on the death of the baby, if it was in fact murder, etc. but we have the shooting outside C&C as definitely one although no suicide involved.

Does the summary reflect the C&C shooting but not yet the baby?  You are so good to keep everything current!  Don't know how you do it.

All these robberies are just shocking.  At no time have I seen any warning concerning these and certainly not before the most recent times with the revamp of the tourist information.  I would definitely consider them violent most especially if I were the victim.

One always wonders what if they were present or walked in on burglars or woke up, etc. just what would happen in that event?  And these are directed at tourist so it is not as though this happens in some remote corner of the island among the locals, far from visitors who have been lulled into thinking themselves safe.   :?  Beginning to look like a sort of cottage industry, rob the tourists!   :shock:

People do have the right to know their belongings are not safe in Aruba so that many still planning to visit could leave them behind.  Personally, I feel the better choice would be to chose a destination wherein there is adequate law enforcement to prevent or prosecute such activity even if it means only visiting our own beaches.  It isn't as though we don't have plenty of those and equally lovely.

Thanks for all of these posts and especially to MsMarple for keeping things up to date in an ever-changing situation.  


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 20, 2006, 12:56:26 AM
Anna - I hope to update the Summary by year-end, and in fact to reflect a total as we know it for 2006. Of course this will entail editing the "place markers" on pages 9 and 6, I think it is, for our letters that are out there. (I'll figure it out ... )

The two recent bar incidents, and the baby case, are not in a summary yet.

I am hoping to find out more about Baby D. Goodness knows how Aruba "counts" things and what is the case here, but it did occur to me that it might have been baby shaking or negligence or an accident. The suspect (apparently the father) was pictured in handcuffs. (We don't have a translation - just what I surmise from the words I could pick out. There was a skull fracture. Another poster was able to add the last name.) It may be too soon to say whether Baby D is a "non-negligent homocide".

That Washington Post article especially noted "room invasions" which is truly scary. It is one thing to have stuff stolen from the beach, or from your (rental) car. Breaking into hotel rooms kicks up the danger level several notches.

And - we're pushing 6,000  :shock:  views? I have to say I am amazed.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 20, 2006, 08:28:20 AM
I am a bit lost here, what Washington Post article?

Room Invasions???  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Home invasions are one thing and certainly scary enough but I cannot imagine the horror of having this happen in a strange surrounding.  And most especially one where the law enforcement is known to be less than concerned with the well being of their tourists.

Will look on the Lively Discussion as I don't know about this article.

 :?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 20, 2006, 11:27:21 PM
Anna - See previous page (10). Sue posted the article on LCD and I brought it over here. I have written to Gary Lee, the writer.

"Trouble in Paradise" was the headline. About the Caribbean area. I want him to know about this crime statistics issue.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 21, 2006, 12:58:02 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Posted by Sue at LCD (emphasis added). Sign. I guess I'll write a letter to Gary Lee too.  :?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject:    

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Found This at BFN interesting reading

http://www.newsday.com/travel/am-caribcrime,0,860966.story?coll=ny-travel-headlines

Trouble in paradise: Crime in the caribbean
BY GARY LEE
THE WASHINGTON POST

November 17, 2006, 2:35 PM EST


Accounts published in Caribbean news media and on locals' blogs indicate that break-ins at small hotels or vacation rentals are occurring more frequently on some Caribbean outposts and in parts of Bermuda and the Bahamas.

No overall regional statistics are available on vacation home thefts affecting tourists in the Caribbean. However, the most recent U.S. State Department consular information sheets, which give up-to-date safety information on countries around the globe, cite break-ins in the past year in St. Lucia, Trinidad and Tobago, Anguilla, St. Kitts, Nevis, Aruba, Bonaire and St. Maarten. The reports also have begun recommending that visitors lock valuables in hotel safes and other properties on almost all Caribbean islands, Bermuda and the Bahamas.

Until recently, the biggest worry facing most tourists in the Caribbean was petty crime: aggressive soliciting, muggings and purse snatchings. But in the past two years, according to accounts by travelers and in the Caribbean press, a rising number of infractions have occurred in vacation accommodations. In most cases, intruders broke into quarters and took cameras, cell phones, cash, laptops and passports. In some cases, they raped or killed.

In June, for instance, an American couple at Mago Estate, a small eco-lodge near the southern tip of St. Lucia, were awakened in the night by intruders. They were robbed, and the wife was raped, according to an account on a Web site they created. Two suspects are awaiting trial.

In a string of incidents that have rocked the island of Tobago in the past year and a half, four robbers -- masked and wielding cutlasses -- entered a rental villa in the upscale Mount Irvine area and attacked three men from England. The incident left two of the visitors with cuts from the weapons.

In July 2005, a British teen-ager vacationing with his family in a private residence in St. James Parish, Barbados, was shot and killed by an intruder. Three men have been charged.

To be sure, incidents like those affect a minuscule percentage of travelers to the Caribbean.

"We're not saying don't go to these islands," said a State Department spokesman, who asked not to be quoted by name, in keeping with department policy. "But take the same precautions that you would in other places."

Most tourism authorities and property owners also emphasized the low crime rate in the islands compared with resorts in the United States or other places. In some islands, officials have responded by beefing up crime-fighting forces. St. Lucia added police officers, brought in senior law enforcement officials from England and is installing a forensics lab to assist in crime follow-up, said Kirby Allain, a spokesman for the government of St. Lucia. In Tobago, the government plans to supplement the police force, install new streetlights across the island and introduce more patrols in popular beach areas. Anguilla also has increased its police force.

Faced for the first time with rising crime, many of the locals and travel vendors on the affected islands have been jolted. "Over the years, we have had so little crime that when we have some, it sets us back," said Kimberly Mahabir, a manager at Tobago's Caribbean Estates, Lands & Villas, a real estate and rental agency. "But now we have to adjust and make whatever changes are necessary for our safety and that of visitors."



Thanks, MsMarple!  He should just read all the reports we have posted here if he wants to see robbery and even some of the "room invasion" but do note that the State Department is at least beginning to take note of this rampant crime.  And it would scare me to death to be mugged or have my purse snatched!  Guess I am a wimp but we don't have that kind of crime where I live and direct contact with the mugger would be totally harrowing for me and something to which I am sure most would prefer not to expose their children and family.  It must be totally traumatizing and I don't see it as something minor to be discounted or taken as lightly as the author of that article seems to do.

It's the fact that they claimed they had no crime before Natalee disappeared that makes it all the more dangerous for it is so easy to lull tourists into believing that for they want to do so.  Relax, feel safe and just enjoy!  Spokespersons for law enforcement even claimed their experience with murder was so limited, they would not know how to begin.   :roll: While it may be true they do not appear to know how to commence with a murder investigation, it certainly is not because they are rare in Aruba!

Such is not the world we live in today!  Better to know and be prepared to take extra precautions.



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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 22, 2006, 09:29:10 AM
I see that some time overnight we passed the milestone of 6000 views!  Congratulations to us, Monkeys!


Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 24, 2006, 10:07:49 AM
Posted by Leslie -

Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject:    

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Anna: There was a recent incident of a man urinating (orina) in the lobby of one of the highrise hotels. Is that a crime? It was in the same issue of Solo di Pueblo as the front page story of the 3 men arrested in the Burger King parking lot.


hi Leslie - I'm just throwing this one in here just because it's so nasty sounding! Guess that could be public indecency.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 25, 2006, 04:03:46 PM
Yes, and there are the health issues also associated with eliminating in public places in inappropriate places so this would just about have to be a crime as well.

And it certainly is offensive.  Thought they were so sure they would be catering to a higher clientèle with the elimination of the young American tourists.  

Well, I do think we should list it for the health reasons alone and I certainly want to know if something like this happened in an area where I am staying and think most would as well.  I tend to think that for every one caught . . . . .and along those lines in this respect.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 25, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
WorldJournier has posted a thread at Blogs for Natalee concerning recent statements by AHATA which contain the following:

The cost of operating a business on island has soared in the past years due to the increase in energy and other costs.  Even though the energy prices have decreased significantly – we still operate in an economy that is dependent and vulnerable to the many terrorist acts which take place around the world.  The energy crisis could become a reality once again in the close future and send our energy costs and thus costs of doing business to new heights.

The overall “feel” for the product (except cases where private sector investments have been made at the property level) has deteriorated in terms of cleanliness, increased traffic, road, signage, landscaping, etc.

Safety concerns have become more real – to make things worse – Aruba’s safety perception is far from being repaired – we are still under international – American- scrutiny and each and every event on island is quickly posted online.

The “Single most important source of information in making a decision to visit Aruba” remains “friends and relatives” – in other words – “word of mouth”.  We have seen how “word of mouth has gone high tech on the internet” – it only takes a split second for negative information about our destination to be posted online – The latest example is the change in LTU – Guests coming to the island for many years – 20 to 30 years- are now being confronted with a limited stay of 30 days.


This is from their most recent newsletter which they have posted online.

http://www.ahata.travel/ahata/manageArticle.do?dispatch=view&id=423

You can read the entire discussion about this and his thread at

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5893.0



So while using the internet to even post their newsletter, they find it odd that their crime might be reported there as well.

Welcome to the Information Age!   :D


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on December 25, 2006, 09:38:05 PM
www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv?url=news/2001-03/text/mar11.bta

    "Troud" and "24 Chassa" frontpage the news of the
killing of a Bulgarian on the Caribbean island of Aruba.
"Bulgarian Gunned Down in Caribbean," reads the headline in
"Troud." The two papers say the victim has not been
officially identified.  Former bankers Ivan Kitov of the
failed Businessbank and Hristo Alexandrov of the failed
AgroBusinessBank are on Aruba.  They fled from Bulgaria
after being charged with bleeding the banks.  "Troud" quotes
the commercial Bulgarian TV station bTV as reporting that,
according to an Interpol source, the victim was Hristo
Alexandrov.  "Troud" also quotes the theory of Darik Radio,
according to which the victim was Poli Pantev, former boss
of a racketeering crime syndicate in Bulgaria.  "Troud"
notes that none of the theories has been officially
confirmed.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on December 25, 2006, 09:56:38 PM
http://tinyurl.com/y3dsj4   

   Their moto is "That's not the way it's done here".
Posted by Lauri Poutry from Boston, MA on 01/20/2005
We were very dissatisfied with the response received by the hotel staff regarding jewelery that was stolen, a backed up toilet and a tour bus that never picked us up.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 25, 2006, 10:33:01 PM
I wonder if it is so popular to rob the tourist because they have learned
that they seldom will return to go to court or press charges to the extent
needed for a conviction?  

Must be working out well for them.   :evil:


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 25, 2006, 10:53:45 PM
I apologize if this has been posted here already....
Leslie had found this connection:

June 18, 2005

Ruth Dijkhoff-Holtman (50) dies
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Rene' van Heyningen (33) murdered
He worked at the Valero Refinery
His wife came home to a ransacked/bloody house
His body was found at a cemetery with his gray pick-up truck
He was decapitated..."Columbian Neck Tie"
His wife (29) was charged with the murder
She is now appealing her conviction

http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf
Page 3


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 26, 2006, 01:11:56 AM
Posted by Klaas:

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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject:    

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A master plan is needed for better police integrity  
ORANJESTAD – An investigation report on the efficiency of the Police Corps of Aruba (KPA) regarding integrity, states that the control on work procedure is poorly; promotional transfers take place, while there is a disciplinary investigation going; and there is no correct follow up after irregularities within the corps are signaled.

Forensic Services Caribbean in Curaçao did the investigation by order of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP). Amigoe learned this from documents that the paper received for perusal. The report was already given to the then chief of police Ronny Bernadina on April 3rd of this year. The investigation took place in 2005 and based on the findings, Forensic Services Caribbean advices to draw up a master plan to deal with the integrity risks. Based on conversations with some key-officials within the KPA and external partners of the corps, like the Security Service, the Public Prosecutor, and the Coastguard, they have mapped nine risks. They have also analyzed summaries of integrity rules violations within the corps. They first noticed that many rules regarding work procedures and work processes are established, but that these are not univocal and not conveniently arranged. The procedures differ per (police-, editor) district and are implemented or interpreted differently.” Besides, several regulations are not complete. Not everybody is familiar with the procedures, they are difficult of access, and several of the versions used are outdated. Several procedures are too complex and have therefore lost their powers. “They have become dead letters”, states the report.

There is lack of control on the observance of the procedures in all sectors of the organization. This has to do with not having qualitatively good employees on managerial positions. Another reason is that there is lack of open culture, in which employees dare to talk to each other. In order to restrict this risk, the bureau advices to further specify the career policy and to organize trainings that would provoke a culture change within the police corps.

A third risk that can cause the integrity of the corps to come into play is the lack of confidence when it comes to exchange information. Confidential information is leaked to third parties and nobody knows what to do with the information or that the information can be used against you. “This lack of confidence has consequences for the internal- and external communication”, states the report. It also forms a hindrance for working effectively and efficiently. Their advice is again a culture chance in order to create confidence.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/
 


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 26, 2006, 02:32:19 AM
1998:  Amy Bradley was asked to go to C&C in Aruba......

There was a Steve Croes that was a part of the band.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on December 26, 2006, 03:00:02 AM
Please delete if already posted, the list of robberies just goes on.........

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Jun 7, 2005  A TripAdvisor Member, New Jersey
   Check Rates
This was our first time to Aruba- we stayed at the Marriott Ocean Club.

Within 2 hours of checking in, someone had broken into our room from the rear window (between 7-9pm, which was still daylight), and stolen my laptop, video camera, and other items. The path behind the window was certainly not "lonely", so how could someone know which room to break into and walk out with the stuff raises serious doubts about the hotel staff.

When the front desk was alerted about this, it seemed like this was a common occurrence- they took their time calling security, very casual about the incident, and we never saw the hotel manager at all.

Later on, we learnt that several of my friends had their cars broken into in Aruba, and hotel staff said that thefts were common in Aruba.
continued........
http://tinyurl.com/y34mas


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on December 26, 2006, 03:11:50 AM
Hotel Security Useless
Reviewer: Darren, Massachusetts

We stayed at the Divi Divi for 7 days. The hotel was clean and it was very beautiful. The buffet at both the Divi Divi and the Tamarijn did have lots of flys but nothing that caused us not to eat.

We only experienced a problem with the security. On the second night of our stay at the Divi, my father who was staying in an adjoining room from my wife and I heard a loud noise when we were out around 11pm. He walked into our room to find that a man was standing over our cameras and valuables in our room. He had taken the "permanent" side of the sliding glass door off the track and basically walked in. My father yelled at the top of his lungs and the man ran, dropping his cell phone, which we kept and gave to the police. It was a local person who broke in.

continued.....
http://tinyurl.com/yme44n


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 26, 2006, 06:45:57 PM
Bleachedblack,
And we were originally told that this thread was BS because all the crime happened away from the tourists!  Seems that most of it happens TO the tourists!  The high number of robberies, burglaries and room invasions is appalling and something I am very stunned to see.  

Obviously from the manner in which many of these burglaries and thefts are conducted, this is not the first time they have done this, either.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2006, 06:04:58 PM
msmarples and Anna - in todays Diario - something about a dead guy on the beach and cocaine:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/

(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/andicurari4.jpg)

 
 
Pasco mainta a haya mas cu 20 kilo di cocaina cerca eybanda... HOMBER HAYA MORTO NA BOCA ANDICURI DIAMARS MAINTA

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diamars mainta un piscador cu tur dia ta bay na baranca cu su famia pa pisca a yega na Boca Andicuri mainta trempan y topa cu un curpa sin bida canto di awa ta bay bin cu e olanan bruto.

Mesora e piscador a notifica su hendenan via telefon y nan a avisa polis cu a manda un patruya pa e lugar.

Na yegada nan a topa cu homber sin bida lomba sunu, renchi na orea, jeans bisti cu faha preto y mea ainda na pia.



E tabata tin golpi nan su cabez y aunke tin version cu por tat rata di un crimen, ta autopsia lo mester pa prescribi esey.

For di e prome informenan no official ayera den oranan di atardi tabata papia di un homber Colombiano di inicialnan C.A.M. di 25 aña registra pa polis na Mispelstraat, pero aparentemente e lo ta biba na Sta Cruz of Paradera.



Un Honda Fit cu tin mas cu un dia para banda di Natural Bridge a ser tuma den beslag pa polis mirando cu kizas ta trata di un auto cu e persona sin bida haya a yega eybanda.

E departamento di seccion crimen organiza e dia anterior tabata eybanda caba caminda nan a pone man riba mas di 20 kilo di cocaine cu tabata den un boca net pabao unda e curpa sin bida a spula yega tera.



E piscador cu a saca e curpa for di awa no a mira ningun hende straño den vecindario ora cu el a yega mainta pa pisca.

E caminda tabata hopi malo pa yega na Andicuri y cu autonan 4x4 polis a yega na e lugar mescos e personal di ambulance y dokter Brouwer cu a constata morto.

Ta investigando awor aki pa mira si e curpa sin bida a ser mata prome cu el a ser benta na awa of e victima a muri hoga.

Helicopter mester a yuda despues cu autoridadnan a caba di investiga na e lugar pa asina nan por a  move e curpa sin bida te na Natural Bridge caminda e auto di morto tabata warda riba nan.

Di parti di DIARIO ta bay nos mas sincero condolencia y nos ta sigui e investigacion di cerca pa mira si e caso di droga por tin di haber cu e persona cu a ser haya sin bida.

Also in Amigoe.com:
Dode man op strand Andicuri
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — Op het strand van Andicuri werd op tweede kerstdag het levenloze lichaam aangetroffen van de 25-jarige Carlos Arturo Moreno.
27 Dec, 2006, 17:15 (GMT -04:00)

Roughly translated:

Dead man on range Andicuri
ORANJESTAD - on the range of Andicuri on second kerstdag the inanimate body was found of the person whose birthday it is Carlos Arturo Moreno. 27 Dec, 2006, 17.15 (GMT -04:00)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2006, 06:21:14 PM
Another Suicide

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/

PRODUCTOR DI PROGRAMA NA TELEARUBA A COMETE SUICIDIO
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/productorte.jpg)

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mundo di prensa audiovisual ta na luto na Aruba, ora cu un conocido productor di TV local a comete suicidio, Diamars merdia na su cas na Macuarima.

   Tabata algo banda di 3’or, cu e informe a drenta cu na Macuarima tin un persona ta horcando su mes e momento ey.  Pero ora cu Polis y Ambulans a yega ya caba ta laat.  Den patio net riba un cura di popchi, e dama Brigitte Christine Katelaan a comete e acto tristo aki, y asina autoridad a bin haye.

   Polis ni Ambulans por a haci nada mas.  Pero demas autoridad halto a ser yama, y Departamento Tecnico di Polis a bin haci su investigacion.  Banda di 3:30’or, Docter Brouwer a constata morto di e dama aki, kende a nace dia 3 di Mei 1970 na Hulanda.

   E dama di 36 aña aki ta trahando como Productor di programa na TeleAruba.  Anteriormente el a yega di funciona tambe na ATV, y prome cu esey tabata traha na Curaçao.

   E tin un yiu muher kende ta studiando actualmente na Hulanda, y sigur e noticia aki ta dal henter famia como un shock.

   Ningun hende a mira Brigitte den mal humor ultimo dianan aki.  Semper e tabata un persona energetico, cu yen plan pa bida, y yen di idea di creatividad pa su programanan.  TeleAruba mes a bay den luto desde Diamars atardi caba.

   Kico a pone Brigitte comete lo extremo aki?  Ningun detaye ta existi si acaso tin problema na trabao.  Pero ta varios storia a circula Diamars atardi y anochi, sinembargo e so sa di con el a haci esaki.

Tin indicacion cu el a laga un carta atras, pero autoridad no por a confirma esaki pa DIARIO.

   Na su famia, y coleganan di TV, Matutino DIARIO ta expresa su mas profundo palabra di condolencia.
 
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/produ1.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2006, 07:52:48 PM
Depending on the ruling on the infant death, one of these would take the annual count to seven or eight.  

Isn't suicide by hanging very rare for a female?  Her photo seems so
full of life, I have to wonder about the circumstances surrounding this death.  One can only hope there will be an adequate investigation
instead of the usual tendency to obfuscate and jump to conclusions
that place guilt with the victim.

The body on the beach has the word cocaine in the article and no name
which seems to be pending location and notification of the family but a black car is shown in a photograph.  I suppose the car belonged to the
victim?  This one seems to be the all too common cocaine-related mess from which there is never any answer.

MsMarple,  end of the year entries for the Summary for and taking the
count even higher.  I also assume suicide is a crime of sorts, a tragic one.
I wish we had kept count of the suicides as well as they are also abnormally high given the population.  I wonder if there are suicide stats
anywhere on One UnHappy Island.

What would be the effect on tourism of having one of the highest
suicides rates in the world be?  This has to be approaching that of
the Scandinavians who are reported to have the highest rates.  

Anyone want a new project?   :wink:   We did it on the murders and our count was verified by the officials who had previously said no stats were kept crime was so low.  That was not true.  Somewhere there are likely
suicide stats as well if someone will only ferret them out.

A death has to be given a reason if other than natural causes and I can't think of one that is conducive to tourism.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Tylergal on December 28, 2006, 12:38:13 AM
Please delete if already posted.


Crime in Aruba

Just some articles and links to crime in Aruba that is supposed to be non-existant. Some of them, mind you, are a few years old, therefore may not apply, but should at least clear up the myth that there is no crime in Aruba.

The Evening Standard (London, England); 4/1/2004
A BARBER who was unmasked as Britain's biggest ever crack cocaine dealer was behind bars today and facing a lengthy jail term - but police are still trying to trace his missing millions.

Evidence from around the world suggests Lincoln White created an international drugs empire, amassing a [pounds sterling]170 million fortune.
White, who told the court he was a "freelance barber", imported the cocaine from Panama, Mexico, Aruba, and Grenada before turning it into crack at Tulloch's flat.

Crack in Aruba? Gee, what a surprise

Caribbean Update : INCREASE IN CRIME.(Aruba crime in tourist areas)(International Pages)(Legal Beat)(Brief Article) @ HighBeam Research

Caribbean Update

December 01, 2001


There has been an increase in crime in Aruba, reports the U.S. State Dept. (Nov. 9, 2001),which notes: "Although strolling downtown or in other tourist areas after dark used to be generally safe, Americans should note that there has been a sharp rise in armed robberies.
Newspapers report these incidents as being mostly drug related. There have been incidents of theft from hotel rooms. Petty crime and credit card fraud continues to be a problem."
Copyright 2001
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AP Worldstream

03-26-2004

Dateline: ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Authorities have detained four Dutch marines on drug-smuggling suspicions, sending two back to the Netherlands and keeping two in custody in Aruba while the military investigates, a spokeswoman said Friday.

The four suspects, who have not been identified by name, were low-ranking marines serving in a 200-strong military presence at the Savanega base in this Dutch Caribbean territory, spokeswoman Lt. Melanie van de Haak said.

They were detained March 17 during raids at their homes in Aruba, and "had been suspects during an ongoing investigation," she said.

I came across several links related to the casinos in Aruba and the Gambino crime family. The mob in casinos? Tell me it isn't so. Do a google search for more info on that one.

AP Worldstream

03-08-2004

Dateline: AMSTERDAM, Netherlands
A majority of the people imprisoned in the Netherlands are foreigners or immigrants, the Central Bureau for Statistics said Monday.

At the end of September 2003, 55 percent of the Dutch prison population was born abroad, compared with 50 percent 10 years ago, the government agency said.

The increase could reflect the drive in recent years to crack down on crime, especially drug offenses.

The overall number of people in prison rose by 7 percent to around 13,000 from September 2002, the statistics office said.

Around 9 percent of prisoners are from Suriname, the former Dutch colony, and an additional 9 percent from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, both Dutch possessions in the Caribbean. Moroccans comprise 7 percent and Turks 5 percent.

About 2 percent of prisoners are illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. That figure does not include the 46,000 asylum seekers detained in dormitory-like "deportation centers" while their applications are processed.

Of the 1,600 prisoners serving a sentence of longer than four years, 70 percent were convicted of violent crimes and 25 percent of drug offenses. The Netherlands is believed to be one of the world's largest producers of the synthetic party drug Ecstasy, and a gateway for cocaine traffic through Europe.

Copyright 2004, AP News All Rights Reserved

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Tylergal on December 28, 2006, 12:40:06 AM
The crime in Aruba needs to be publisized. We were there Thanksgiving weekend, there is not enough police presence or security. Our battery was stolen from our rental car & while we were at the police station, we met Americans who had their room robbed. I WILL NEVER TAKE MY CHILDREN TO ARUBA AGAIN> I also was told that a tourist was robbed last year in the same area our battery was stolen. WE WERE STRANDED IN A TOURIST AREA WITH OUR SMALL CHILDREN & HAD TO HAVE THE RENTAL CAR TOWED> ARUBA GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME... WE PAY ENOUGH IN HOTEL TAXES & UTILITY CHARGES IN ARUBA WHEN WE VISIT. WE SPEND OUR AMERICAN MONEY. .

Posted by Kim C.D."$> | November 27, 2005 5:55 PM | Reply

Keep up the great work on your blog. Best wishes WaltDe

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2006, 01:58:42 AM
I don't understand the concept of someone going to a public beach to OD on Cocaine.  That seems like one of the last places a person would go especially with all the government-provided crackhouses.

One might think a person would go to some place more private if the use of cocaine is illegal to avoid arrest instead of to the beach.  And it seems a very lonely place to go for this as well.

If these deaths are in fact cocaine overdoses, are they dying some other places and their bodies being dumped on the beach?  

This is a very strange phenomenon.  I don't think the beach is a favorite place to overdose in this country.  At least, I have never heard of this happening.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 28, 2006, 02:09:29 AM
Klaas, bleached, Florida, Tyler, Anna - and any I've missed from the last few pages - Thanks to all of you for your posts.

Off the top of my head - we already had the Bulgarian guy (he was shot in a hotel elevator!); I do not think we had the marines arrested re. drug transporting, although I do recall hearing about that a while back.

Others I am not sure of. It's good to try to nail down a date or some other way to identify these incidents; otherwise it's hard to tell if they're duplicates. Especially for thefts. But by all means post whatever you find.

I would like to know, with all of the drug ODs, if the police are finding the baggies or whatever the supply was in, at the death scene, and are there any "leftovers"? If you think along those lines, and mull over the number of times these bodies are found on the beach (... within the tide line? where small objects would be presumed to have washed away ...) No one is going to leave "good drugs" with a body - too valuable.

I too am very suspicious of the hanging. Not at all a woman's method of suicide. ALE will be very remiss if they don't investigate what would bring an apparently successful, young, attractive woman to such a demise.

I will do an updated Summary of the murders and violent crimes that will cover all of 2006. (Within the next few days.) I am still hoping to find out what has been determined about charges in the death of "Baby D". Baby D could be the 7th murder that we know of for 2006. I doubt that we will learn anything about these two new "Arubacides" by year end.

Sometime during the early morning of 12/22, this thread passed the 6,000 views mark. It is now early morning of 12/28, and it looks as though it might hit 7,000 by dawn!

I honestly do not know what to make of this. I wish some of the folks who are reading here would post and tell us what they're looking for ... You can post on the front page without registering ...

Again, thanks to all the Monkeys who do post incidents here. Good eyes! Good job!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
MsMarple,
I think it would be good to wait until we have a ruling on all the deaths in 2006 before doing the update.  That is, unless you can just add the rulings on these last two plus Baby D sort of after the fact.

We are looking at what I believe is an eight murder year, a tie with 1998, and I think all of them included would be a very good thing.

The crime in Aruba surpasses anything that I expected us to find.  I still had in mind to make folks aware of the crime there but never thought that there was this prevalence of it.

Once the Summary is complete with the latest rulings, even if it takes all of January to get them, I am going to relaunch my emailing campaign and send the NEW Summary out to all I sent it to before as an Update.

I do believe some have sort of come to ssort of depend on this as almost a service for reporting serious crime in what sells itself as a crime-free environment.  Even the Bulgarian was killed right in the midst of the tourists, too, for those who like to say this does not happen where the tourist are.  It does and it is very dangerous and nothing like what we were told to expect from the once-popular tourist destination.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 28, 2006, 01:53:57 PM
Posted by Terric7058 on the LCD 12/28/2006 - and this DOES make you go Hummmm ... (emphasis added by msmarple).


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Wondering if this will be listed as another sucide and if the person in the 2nd article is the same person

Aruba
Dead man on range Andicuri
Subscriber Article
ORANJESTAD - on the range of Andicuri on second kerstdag the inanimate body was found of the person whose birthday it isperson whose birthday it is person whose birthday it is Carlos Arturo Moreno.
27 Dec, 2006, 17.15 (GMT -04:00)
www.amigeo.com


COAST GUARD INTERCEPT OF ONE TON OF COCAINE LEADS TO FEDERAL DRUG CHARGES AGAINST FOUR INDIVIDUALS
R. Alexander Acosta, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Rear Admiral D. Brian Peterman, Commander 7th Coast Guard District, Jesus Torres, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Jonathan I. Solomon, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Mark R. Trouville, Special Agent in Charge, Drug Enforcement Administration, announced today that defendants, Abel Pardo Salguedo, Alberto Cortes, Dionisio Velez Tarquino, and Carlos Arturo Moreno, were charged by criminal complaint with possession and conspiracy to possess with the intent to distribute five or more kilograms of cocaine, in violation of Title 46, United States Code Appendix, Section 1903(a) and (j). If convicted on these charges, the defendants face a mandatory minimum sentence of ten (10) years’ imprisonment and a maximum of life.

http://miami.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel06/mm02162006.htm


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 28, 2006, 01:57:41 PM
Anna - Yes, I know what you mean ... about the "outstanding Arubacides".

Baby D could be No. 7

If both of these Arubacides are foul play, they would be No. 8 & No. 9.

 :shock:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 28, 2006, 06:26:53 PM
I have posted A. C.'s story from Aruba 1996 numerous times...She was drugged, kidnapped, beaten & raped...ALE did NOTHING about it...later she sees the man & even then they still are reluctant to arrest him...But, in her story she names the places she was taken to.....

My heart aches for Natalee and her family. I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the tv, exactly what happened to her. I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE. In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends. We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino. My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of a black out until the next morning. I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldnt go to the police. When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the tv for the Holloway-Twitty family. They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commishioner of the casino had a problem with the "man", and were also willing to help my husband and I.
 
We switched hotels that day, and stayed in most of the time we were there. The night before we were to leave all 6 of us decided to go to the beach. That "man" showed up. My husband and cousin got a hold of him, we asked a hotel worker to call the police (they took almost an hour to get there). We told them what had happened and they simply put him in the back of the police jeep uncuffed, and drove away with him. I guess we were all in shock, my husband and I just glad to be leaving both alive.

They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a wh*re-House, no big deal??

I have tried to get in touch with the Beth Holloway, I think I could maybe help her or at least tell her that Natalee didnt feel any pain, as I said I was drugged and I dont remember anything until the next day. A lot of parents are now coming on tv again with the same situations of missing children from all islands, but none have gotten any justice or even an answer. It seems I am the only one to have survived. I pray for Natalee and her family every morning and every night, and badly wish there was a way to comfort her mom, who has been, and has had to be, a very strong woman. My husband had to only endure a couple hours of not knowing if I was alive or what happened. He said he cant imagine how they feel. So our hearts and prayers are with them daily. I hope this all ends soon for them, no mother should have to be put through this.
I havent been able to talk about what happened to me for 9 years, but I would do ANYTHING to help Natalee and her family.

A.C.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 28, 2006, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/16

A man has been accused of killing a 4-month old child, I  think his own;  "DNA" is mentioned in the article.

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Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar e caso den cual Ferdinand Alexander D. a wordo acusa di a mata Alexander D. E caso aki a impacta comunidad di Aruba, mirando cu e homber a wordo acusa di a mata su propio baby di 4 luna.


The last name is Dijkhoff. Per Front Page poster Linda:

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ms marple..that asshole only got 9 years jailtime..he really just killed his son..because he was crying to much..just hit him in the head..in these situations I really want your system..death sentence..but we have to do it with the stupid dutch law system..9 years and probably out in 5 for good behavior..just makes me sick..

Comment by linda | December 28, 2006, 9:20 pm


Baby D is the 7th murder we know of in 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 29, 2006, 01:59:04 AM
Another aspect of the recent body on the beach that is troubling is the position of the arms.  They are in the position of someone having been dragged, not dying of a self-induced overdose.  I have nurses training and have never seen a person die in that position.  I don't think even a seizure would account for the arms being straight up like that.

So at the least, this person has been positioned in this manner most likely by dragging his corpse.  I seem to recall other suicides also being in very strange positions like this.  Not fetal position or even losing consciousness while sleeping but dragged by the arms.

Others of these beach bodies appear to have been dumped or tossed out and not in a position one could imagine one would assume in death.

So at the very least we have some sort of tampering with the corpse as in dragging by the arms.  I suppose it will be said ALE did it for some unknown reason, etc. in order to stick to the story line but how unprofessional can they be!

Next time they should remember to put the arms back down!

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 29, 2006, 07:43:19 AM
I was thinking that also...about his arms over his head....But, as alot of these men live with their families...it's not inconceivable for someone to go off to a beach to be alone.

I wish the Papi translator worked better....

About Brigitte Katelaan...I "assumed" she had everything going for her & no reason to end her life. Turns out, she was suffering from depression, separation from her daughter, & guilt over a promotion she received over other deserving collegues. How sad.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 29, 2006, 08:01:16 AM
Does anyone find these photographs gruesome & inappropriate?
The victim was identified..
Why the need to display them like this in the media?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 29, 2006, 01:52:17 PM
The corpse pictures are examples of "sensational" or "yellow" journalism; used to be prime tabloid fodder here. (Before photos, there would be graphic, sometimes exagerated sketches, possibly by an artist who had not even been at the scene.)

I'm not sure about this, but I think family lawsuits may have eventually ended this particular practice. Or perhaps the Police did, on the grounds that it interfered with investigation.

There is no argument, unfortunately, that the public LOVES this stuff. Always jacks up news stand sales.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 29, 2006, 05:53:53 PM
I have no way of finding information on suicides in Aruba and given the
language differences, probably could not read it if I found it.  However, here is a link to suicide stats for this country with method by gender which is pretty hard to find even on line.

It would seem males use the method of hanging five to seven times more than females.  That alone it would seem would be grounds for at least a little curiosity on the part of law enforcement in Aruba concerning this strange suicide.  The location of being on her front porch is a further anomaly.  The vast majority of suicides by hanging in this country happen in very small minorities such as Native Americans and newly migrated from Africa but seldom in the general population.

http://tinyurl.com/ufquv


I am not saying this is anything other than suicide, only that it deserves an investigation as does any suspicious and so far out of the ordinary death.  A complete investigation and autopsy was required for my own sister's death merely because it was unattended by any other person.  Natural causes but because there was no one else present, it had to be investigated as a possible suspicious death, something we understood and were thankful for the concern.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 29, 2006, 09:28:31 PM
We have a translation (thanks sandy leiva) re. the man recently found on the beach. It appears that the police are suspicious of this death. "CAM" = Carlos Arturo Moreno.

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject:    

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Pasco mainta a haya mas cu 20 kilo di cocaina cerca eybanda... HOMBER HAYA MORTO NA BOCA ANDICURI DIAMARS MAINTA
Christmas morning finds dead man on beach in Boca Andicuri with more than 20 kilos cocaine.

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diamars mainta un piscador cu tur dia ta bay na baranca cu su famia pa pisca a yega na Boca Andicuri mainta trempan y topa cu un curpa sin bida canto di awa ta bay bin cu e olanan bruto.
A man fishing from the shore on an outing with family members in Boca Andicuri on early morning found a dead mans corpse on the edge of the water being pounded by the waves.

Mesora e piscador a notifica su hendenan via telefon y nan a avisa polis cu a manda un patruya pa e lugar.
the fisherman notified family members to contact polis who sent a patrol car out to investigate.

Na yegada nan a topa cu homber sin bida lomba sunu, renchi na orea, jeans bisti cu faha preto y mea ainda na pia.
Indeed they found a dead male minus an ear dressed with jeans- black waist cincher and shoe and sockless.

E tabata tin golpi nan su cabez y aunke tin version cu por tat rata di un crimen, ta autopsia lo mester pa prescribi esey.
there were no wounds to the head and although it appeared a crime had occured they prefer to wait on an autopsy.

For di e prome informenan no official ayera den oranan di atardi tabata papia di un homber Colombiano di inicialnan C.A.M. di 25 aña registra pa polis na Mispelstraat, pero aparentemente e lo ta biba na Sta Cruz of Paradera.
According to learned information the man was Colombian 25 yrs old with the initials C A M and lived in STa Cruz of Paradera.

Un Honda Fit cu tin mas cu un dia para banda di Natural Bridge a ser tuma den beslag pa polis mirando cu kizas ta trata di un auto cu e persona sin bida haya a yega eybanda.
A Honda fit with more than one days things ??? (unsure of this) was seen at the Natural Bridge and perhaps was waiting for another contact according to polis

E departamento di seccion crimen organiza e dia anterior tabata eybanda caba caminda nan a pone man riba mas di 20 kilo di cocaine cu tabata den un boca net pabao unda e curpa sin bida a spula yega tera.
The dept of organised crime of the interior had been tracking this man along with the 20 kilos of cocaine found on the man and suspected he would bring it on land

E piscador cu a saca e curpa for di awa no a mira ningun hende straño den vecindario ora cu el a yega mainta pa pisca.
the fisherman who found the body in the water did not see any strangers in the vicinity.

E caminda tabata hopi malo pa yega na Andicuri y cu autonan 4x4 polis a yega na e lugar mescos e personal di ambulance y dokter Brouwer cu a constata morto.
the road to the beach is a dirt road traversed by polis 4x4 . Ambulance brought Dr Brouwer who pronounced him dead.

Ta investigando awor aki pa mira si e curpa sin bida a ser mata prome cu el a ser benta na awa of e victima a muri hoga.
The investigation is being conducted to see if foul play played a part in his death or if he drowned.

Helicopter mester a yuda despues cu autoridadnan a caba di investiga na e lugar pa asina nan por a move e curpa sin bida te na Natural Bridge caminda e auto di morto tabata warda riba nan.
Authoritys later looked by helicopter to see if the victm had be moved by someone to the location where he was found near the natural bridge or if he was moved from his auto stationed near the beach.

Di parti di DIARIO ta bay nos mas sincero condolencia y nos ta sigui e investigacion di cerca pa mira si e caso di droga por tin di haber cu e persona cu a ser haya sin bida.
Diario send its condolences and will continue to investigate if this case involved drug in the death of this person

Best i could do---- Sandy


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 29, 2006, 09:32:03 PM
And BT posted this on the LCD today:

BTgirl wrote:
Quote
Easy got a bit of information this evening about the poor woman who was found hanged.

I have been briefed by my people on that case just a few minutes ago. She did have many problems, for one with her mother, who seems to have mistreated her, then her son is in Holland, she had been having some fits of depression, her husband took off with a bundle of money they had borrowed, leaving her with the bill to pay, etc. She did leave behind a letter, but it is in the hands of the police. In the next couple of weeks we may find out what she wrote. That all I can tell you at this point.  


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 29, 2006, 10:35:22 PM
Last year MORENO, Carlos Arturo, arrested & convicted for drug trafficking in Fla.  Facing ten years in jail.

This is all I could find on Carlos from Fla...no D.O.B.

c/o INVERSIONES EL PENON S.A., Cali, Colombia; Cedula No. 14264233


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 29, 2006, 10:41:02 PM
http://usinfo.state.gov/wh/Archive/2006/Feb/21-354383.html

--------------------------------

Thank you, Sandy for the translation!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 30, 2006, 02:25:01 AM
I don't think this is the same one as arrested before and jailed in Florida.  Different nationalities and I tend to think that he would pose a flight risk and so was likely denied bail.

Very common name combination.

But where on that body was 20 kilos of cocaine?  

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 30, 2006, 09:56:31 AM
I was just trying to see if they could be the same man.
There is not a DOB for the man arrested in Fla.

In a February 17, 2006 statement, ICE said that if convicted of the charges, the Columbian defendants -- Abel Pardo Salguedo, Alberto Cortes, Dionisio Velez Tarquino and Carlos Arturo Moreno -- face a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years' imprisonment and a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Dec. 26, 2006 CARLOS ARTURO MORENO
According to learned information the man was Colombian, 25 yrs old with the initials C A M and lived in STa Cruz of Paradera.

Same name
Same nationality
Both trafficking drugs

I would assume 40+lbs. of cocaine was found in his car


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 30, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
But if you Google Carlos Arturo Moreno, there are thousands of them.  I don't think he would be allowed to make bail because of the obvious flight risk.  Maybe someone in Florida can find out if he is still in jail there, the one arrested.

Grande was very good at that sort of thing but hasn't been in the cage lately.  And I'm not really sure if it matters if it is the same one or not.  Would like to know where the cocaine was and what happened to it.

Anyway, not sure it matters if the same one or not.  Will be curious as to how this is ruled, suicide or foul play, homicide or what.

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 30, 2006, 01:39:55 PM
I Googled Carlos Arturo Maduro+Fl which gave me the story from last Feb. of the 4 Columbians arrested in Miami.  There is no Carlos Maduro right now in a Miami jail.

I noticed in the Aruba story the man was wearing a black "cincher jacket"...elastic belt.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on December 30, 2006, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
I Googled Carlos Arturo Maduro+Fl which gave me the story from last Feb. of the 4 Columbians arrested in Miami.  There is no Carlos Maduro right now in a Miami jail.

I noticed in the Aruba story the man was wearing a black "cincher jacket"...elastic belt.


Well, his name is Carlos Arturo Moreno not Maduro so maybe that is the problem.  But try Googling just his name without FL and you will see that this name is just too common, sort of like Bob Smith or John Jones.

But not important, really, for the purposes of this thread which is crime.  The investigation into the cause of death, assuming of course there is one, is what I am waiting for as it would be 8 murders in last year if ruled a homicide.

Still wish we had a suicide thread.  Good project for someone.

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 30, 2006, 05:43:06 PM
MsMarple: Mystery solved.  The 2 Carlos Arturo MORENO's are not the same...

Good idea of yours, though.  Carlos Morero on the beach: 25 years old.

Feb. 2006
The captain of the boat was identified like Abel Pardo Salguedo, of 47 years. The crew were Alberto Cortés, of 50 years; Dionisio Vélez Tarquino, of 22; and Carlos Arturo Moreno, of 54. Were prisoners to the delay of a judicial hearing Friday. They did not have lawyers who represented them.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on December 31, 2006, 09:38:17 AM
Bondia:
The year in review.  Section A and Section D are interesting.  
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pages/Dec/30-12-2006.html


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 31, 2006, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Bondia:
The year in review.  Section A and Section D are interesting.  
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pages/Dec/30-12-2006.html


We need to get Sandy Lieva (Leiva? sp? - sorry, I never get it right!) on this. Looks as though there may be a few homocides we've missed ... We didn't start this project until August 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on December 31, 2006, 08:28:10 PM
In response to the above post - thanks to Appeals and sandy leiva for the following. [Bracketed blue comments are notes to myself.]

Appeals, Page 27 of LCD # 567 12/31/2006:
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Good Morning. MsMarple, still here?

I am not Sandy, and don't speak Pap. That said, I did try to make some rough notes to myself from some of the articles. I may be very wrong, just guessing for the most part.

November 2006: Man dead at the Bongo Bar - Pedro Arthuro Gomez Torres, 39, from Colombia. Police investigating rumor concerning choller -- autopsy did not determine cause of death? [we have this one]

October: Nuni Maduro -- connected with programs "5 Speed", top 95 and Tele Aruba -- fan (?) of drag races -- something about drag race promoter [need more details - was Maduro murdered?]

69 year old Senora Richardson found in her house in advanced decomp. Investigating cause of death.

Sept.: Mysterious death [more details?]

Aug: fatal accident -- Petra Maria Ruiz Kelly

fatal accident -- Chevy Tracker & Ford Explorer

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/30/A-30-12-06.pdf

Pg 14 -- Big article about Pit Bull [we have this one]

also article about Micky John being released as suspect?

Pg 17 -- 31 yr old Colombia convicted (sentenced?) for immoral acts on 11 year old girl [need date]

Pg 22 -- Dijkhoff -- sentenced to 12 yrs prison in baby death? [we have this one]

I know the above is very sketchy, but maybe others can fill out and/or correct me?
 


sandy leiva, Page 31 of LCD # 567 12/31/2006:

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page 14- Arubas most horrific case The death of Pitbull @ gaudurakeri. Pitbull was mutilated then his body set afire in a case over drugs. Ironicall court was surprised that his body was not cut open to see if the drugs were in his stomach or in his intestines. Sigmond Hiyliger got 5 yrs -Kim Hiyliger got 2yrs 6 mo. and Mike Leverstone got 3yrs 6mos for the crime. [we have this one]

article below that one:
Micky John relased as suspect status in case of Holloway by Judge Norianna Pietersz. John is now free to consider claims for damages against him, for his troubles.

pg 16- Highest verdict and sentence given in Aruban History goes to Cornelio Hormaneo for premeditated murder if Raul Croes. [not sure if we have this one; if not, need date]

under that --31 yr old trusted family friend and well known person in the community rapes 11 yr old mongoloid girl of family friend. he only gets 1-2 yrs fined 1500 florins and must do 160 hrs of community service. [need date]

page 17-- superior court adds 6 yrs to 12 yr term of woman accused of killing Mr Von Heyninganin june of 2006. [we have this one]

pg 22--Father kills 4 month old son. Ferdinand Dijkhoff gets only 12 yrs why did he do it. Because he believed the child was not his. DNA taken by the court proved it was his child. it is said the man was in shock. [we have this one]

under that article-- 2 prisoners explain to judge they recieved illegal drugs while imprisoned in KIA jail. they claim it helped to keep them addicted to drugs--no outcome mentioned.

pg 23--Kalpo brothers remain suspects in case of Natalee Holloway as deemed by unnamed judge and minister of public from curacao. The judge revokes attorney D Kock and mr Zepperfeldt motion to remove then from suspect status. Judge states Karin Jansen presented evidence of an ongoing investigation and stated she considers them supspects. They must remain as such and present themselves to minister of public for insuing interrogations.

Best i could do as I do not speak papiamento.


Thanks again Appeals & sandy!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on December 31, 2006, 09:11:46 PM
page 14- Arubas most horrific case The death of Pitbull @ gaudurakeri. Pitbull was mutilated then his body set afire in a case over drugs. Ironicall court was surprised that his body was not cut open to see if the drugs were in his stomach or in his intestines. Sigmond Hiyliger got 5 yrs -Kim Hiyliger got 2yrs 6 mo. and Mike Leverstone got 3yrs 6mos for the crime.

Was there ever any explanation as to why this occurred
and why such short prison sentences?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 01, 2007, 03:54:14 AM
Florida,
I don't think Aruba has the concept of equal under the law.  I don't know how else to explain the very light sentence for raping the girl with Down's Syndrome and the horrific torture killing of Pitbull .  Then Raul Croes must have been someone important or a friend of the judge or something like that as his life seems to have more value than Pitbull's despite the dreadful things done to Pitbull.

And I thought the judge could ONLY act on EVIDENCE presented to him, not if he "believed" somebody or not.  The wife of the refinery worker got an additional 8 years for recanting her confession because the judge did not believe her.

Yet we have been told and by Arubans or at least people living in Aruba, that the judge can ONLY act on hard evidence.  Well, that all has to be circumstantial as anything so how can he use it to sentence her to eight more years in jail without some kind of HARD evidence?

If it applies to her, why doesn't logic apply in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

What I do understand of their system, I don't like very much.  Give me a jury trial any day rather that what a judge believes or does not believe especially if the law says he can only act on evidence in the first place.

I think we have been lied to about that only acting on evidence part.  

Was anyone really telling us the truth about anything at all?   :(


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2007, 06:13:44 AM
I'm gearing up an update to the Summary for 2006, and just want to mention that Nuni Maduro, mentioned in the year-end-review, died of a heart attack. This is per the drag racing web site -

http://tinyurl.com/yzpg53


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2007, 06:33:20 AM
Again - working on the 2006 Summary. I have these 8 murders for the year:

03/20 - Bernard Ramsaran, died on board a ship, Aruba pronounced "natural causes" but 2nd autopsy in his home revealed he had been strangled.

04/05 - Pitbull Djoegan murdered.

04/18 - Raul Croes murdered in a restaurant.

06/23 - Unknown female corpse, nude, found in a trash pile.

11/24 - Pedro A. Gomez-Torres, murdered at Bongo Bar.

12/02 - Hoben M Bayne, 16-yr-old, murdered outside C&Cs.

12/16 - Baby Dijkhoff, 4-month-old, killed by his father.

12/27 - Carlos A Moreno, found dead on beach, minus an ear, by fisherman; polis suspect foul play. 20 kilos (44 lbs) of cocaine are somehow involved.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
For whatever reason, makes me go Hummm ...

During the early morning of 12/22, the M&C thread reached 6,000 views.

During the early morning of 12/28, the M&C thread reached 7,000 views.

As of right now, 01/01/2007, the M&C thread reached 7,860 views.

 :shock:   :shock:   :shock:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on January 01, 2007, 07:49:47 AM
MsMarple:
Yes, I've noticed many viewers at the archived <smak> thread...
This death really concerns me:06/23 - Unknown female corpse, nude, found in a trash pile.
Thank you for putting that all together.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 01, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
The obituary has the name as Carlos Arturo Moreno Castro.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2007, 11:33:19 AM
Hi Leslie - yes, thanks, I just saw that obituary too.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: "Florida"
MsMarple:
Yes, I've noticed many viewers at the archived <smak> thread...
This death really concerns me:06/23 - Unknown female corpse, nude, found in a trash pile.
Thank you for putting that all together.


Yes, I know what you mean. I have not seen any followup on this case, either. A ghastly photo was published.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 01, 2007, 11:37:05 AM
Here are a couple of articles from 12/30/2006 Solo di Pueblo.  Looks like another "year in review" type thing but I'm not sure if we have these.  Maybe Sandy can help us with these?

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2007, 03:14:41 AM
However, if these two young girls "just vanished" (phrase taken from Arleen Schiffer, cousin of one of the suspects and official spokesperson for Aruba, that she thinks adequately accounts for what happened to Natalee Holloway) does that mean the usual No Body/No Crime?

That seemed to be the case in the disappearance of Americans Bud Larson and Max DeVries.  Oh, wait!  Max DeVries ALE lied about and claimed it was an insurance scam perpetrated by the mother, called this predator whom she only encountered in Aruba skulking about her hotel "her boyfriend" and did other undeserved things to discredit his family.

Any insurance money was donated to a Children's Hospital in Michigan, something they failed to inform the Aruba's public about.

Dompig tried this same trick on Beth Holloway and claimed he had to investigate it this was an insurance scam as before when he is lying about the before part if he means DeVries.  The insurance industry maintains one of the best data banks that is kept very current at all times on policies written and paid as it checks for red flags of over-insuring, etc. as would be the case for large policies on children.  Natalee did not have any insurance at all, I don't think even a burial policy most get as babies.

And again we see the Aruban imagination in full bloom salivating over the millions they think are in a trust fund filled by cookouts and selling bracelets!  Yet we are not to think they are unsophisticated or anything like that.   :roll:  

So have these two little girls been missing for a year now and is this just another instance of how "girls get lost a lot" as we have been told.  Was their mother told they would turn up at a crack house and if so did they or are they still missing and what of the pedophile name?  Did we check obituaries for their names?


MsMarple, people cannot post in here in the forum without being registered and approved by the administration.  They can't tell us what they are looking for except on the Front Page where posting is allowed with only an email address.  I try to always read there for comments and especially in the crime and disappearance stories.

But I, too, would like to know if there is anything in particular we are not covering or have missed with regard to crime in Aruba.

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 02, 2007, 08:46:28 AM
The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 02, 2007, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.


Well, darn, I didn't pick up on that at all. Sorry.

Okay, now trying to do something about Section A.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2007, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.


So basically, we just need someone to scan Section A and tell us if we have missed anything major there in the crime department?

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: sandy leiva on January 02, 2007, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Here are a couple of articles from 12/30/2006 Solo di Pueblo.  Looks like another "year in review" type thing but I'm not sure if we have these.  Maybe Sandy can help us with these?

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translation; Satans Baby garden
During an excavation behind a priests home- 3 baby corpses found.  This occured in Beverwijk Holland.  The baby sorpses were fully developed.  The mother Etta age 29yrs was arrested.  She later admitted to killing 4 children(her own).
Suane, Gwen,Timo and Lavinia were in the home for a short while after birth.  She got 3 yrs in prison.  Her male friend went free as he denied any knowledge of the crime.


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translation-  Horrible crime against Stacie and Nathalie.
 2 females missing for 2 weeks were found  dead stuffed down a septictank 400meters from the home in which they were last seen.  An outcry from the neighbors occured who had complained on how the girls were being raised.  They were often seen with thier mother in a bar.  In fact during the dearch for the girls Stacys mother was seen in the bar with her male 1 yr old child.  A pedofile named Abdulla Ait Oud is charged in this crime.  He denies committing the murders.

best i could do remember I dont speak Papiamento and have taught myself to read it although sometimes i may get some words wrong.  Not here though this was pretty clear.  Sandy


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on January 02, 2007, 09:51:56 PM
Thank you, so much Sandy!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2007, 10:07:59 PM
Sandy,
Yes,
We know!   :D Spanish is about as close as we can get because no one speaks Papiamento on the forum.   We understand and will not hold you to anything, just wanting a general idea of what it says.

Thanks again!

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 02, 2007, 10:40:25 PM
THANK YOU SANDY! Unfortunately I steered you wrong - Leslie posted that those cases were in Holland. How I missed that I don't know; sorry. But thank you for Answering the Call; you're a sweetie.

I have spent most of the day going over Section A of Solo di Pueblo with the @#$%& online Pap translator.

Here's what I've got from there, and from Bon Dia's similar issue. These are incidents I don't *think* we've already got.

From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue:
http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

01/23/2006 – Man found dead in a boat near Marriot.

02/12/2006 – Alberto Augusto Peral (Peralta?) apparently killed by a gang.

05/23/2006 – Enrique Reynier Loefstop, 51, apparently beaten to death by his(?) child, with a baseball bat. Apparently an altercation over the son’s drug use.

??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old  Colombian sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred. This case is not part of the SM 2005 Summary.

09/??/2006 – Mysterious death at Tanki Leendirt (near “Euro Kitchen”?) of chef/cook of Eagle Hotel. Cause of death unknown.


From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section. Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

03/??/2006 – American tourist robbed and beaten in an alley in San Nicolas.
03/??/2006 – Dave Billy Aubert, 20, a local, killed in a hit & run.

06/??/2006 – Igor Richardson killed outside Las Vegas bar, San Nichols.
06/??/2006 – Man beaten with baseball bat at Malboro Ball Park.
06/??/2006 – Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.”

09/??/2006 – man convicted, sentenced to 24 yrs for killing of Pino Suarez. (When?)
09/??/2006 – Pascualito Geerman found dead at Baco Prins. Cause of death not noted.

10/??/2006 – over 3,000 kilos (over 6,613.8 lbs) of drugs seized.

<end>

Leslie - Re. the list you posted previously -

The "doktor" who committed suicide in January - didn't even give his name. I just decided to leave it out.

Rafael de Cuba - I didn't get that he was killed. What I think I got was that he/she underwent a sex change. !!! ????

Cornelius Bossers - I didn't get that he was killed, or that foul play is suspected.

Pedro Anterisijn - Same thing; didn't sound as though foul play suspected.

Pascualito Geerman - Same thing ...

I think those last 3 might have been included because of their local positions or popularity ??? Or because they were Dutch??  :twisted:

In General - The translator is so poor that I don't have a lot of confidence in it. If I have not included something, it's because I couldn't find a suggestion of foul play, or involvement of a tourist. There were some traffic fatalities that I didn't include.

Now, I will turn to updating the Summary. This will take a few days with all of these additions. Remember that I have to make sure we don't already have in some form or another.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Tylergal on January 03, 2007, 01:46:26 AM
Sandy, thank you so much for translating.  

"Stuffed in a septic tank?"  Isn't that what Granny Toad said about Natalee?  Seen in bar with mother?  Seems like we have heard of youngsters being seen in bars and casinos with parents before?  Is this a trend.  Pedofile?  Rings a bell here with someone else we all watch carefully.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 03, 2007, 10:56:05 AM
Tyler,
Yes, that was Granny Toad's favorite theory for a long time but think she was really using it as an analogy of how the Sloot Compound was never searched despite the fact it is known to have a cesspool which may no longer be in use if they have available the commercial sewage system.  There is also reportedly a well on the property that goes back many years to a time when it might have been hand dug, meaning a larger opening than the commercially dug ones of today with the small diameter opening.  Old ones had to at least be large enough for the digger to go up and down.

The refusal of Paulus van der Sloot and his having his good friend the judge to change the terms of the Search Warrant on the spot, the actual morning of the search, will forever cast a pall of suspicion on that residence.

Did Anita go away for a few days taking the younger sons and stay with friends as was verified early on?  Did she stay with van der Straaten or more likely the Ben (Voc)Kings as reported at the time.  Was this to give long enough to make major clean up operation inside the walls of that place them call home?  

It was claimed to be for safety and security reasons and yet no one has made any attempt to harm them in any way and no credible threats issued.  And certainly none had been by that point in time.  I also suspect that some have arranged to have some sent to them for their high drama and hyperbole reasons.  And while the Arubans and Dutch like to decry the violence of Americans in general, note that no one has even actually harmed OJ!  Or Michael Jackson!  So the myth of the random nut harming them really does not hold water but is just something they like to pretend is just awful when trying to bilk money from the taxpayers of Aruba.

Did this crime and disposal method inspire any in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Well, we don't know because no one was allowed to search the property of those last seen with her to eliminate just this kind of speculation and waste of time by ALE.  I just have to wonder what they had to hide so for usually in this country those in the position of last seen with as well as family members offer every cooperation.  The van der Sloots did just the opposite and even enlisted the judge to be on hand and present when the search was to be conducted to change that warrant on the spot.  This is collusion and corruption at its worse.

And yet we have high-priced, sleazy lawyers on TV making the claim that "every grain of sand" was searched when not even the residence of the last seen with Natalee has ever been searched.  How about the deep freezers of those involved?  That is a standard hiding place for criminals and murderers.  Have they been checked, every one of them these suspect had access to including the one in the kitchen of the hotel the key of which was found in Deepak Kalpoe's car?

Perhaps instead of turning over grains of sand or flying over jets on routine training missions renamed to pretend to be part of this investigation, they should have merely adhered to the universal standards of criminal investigations everywhere instead of looking where they knew she was NOT.  

No Body/No Case worked to well for them in the disappearance of the other Americans, Bud Larson and Max DeVries, that some in LE in Aruba seemed just shocked that this time the family did not go away when they started with the same lies and smear campaign against them that ALE had used before.  To this day, many in Aruba still think the disappearance of Max Devries was an insurance scam and if you will recall, they even had the nerve to tell us so early in this disappearance of Natalee.  His mother donated any money left after paying to try to find him to a local children's hospital in Michigan so scamming was she!  Shame on LE and Officials in Aruba who smeared this mother who also deserved justice for her child and in return only got lies and smears.

And that judge needs to be investigated and the proper steps taken to reprimand or censor or whatever the procedure "their system" provides for one doing such a things as this.  He signed the warrant publicly then sneaked over and revoked it and made a mockery of the search effort.  Why?  Why did he bother to be present for the search and is this not even considered highly improper conduct for one sitting on the Bench of justice?  Hardly sounds impartial or fair in any way but gives the appearance of the judiciary being personally involved or under the sway of the van der Sloots.  Judicial misconduct is the term that comes to my mind but then we are accustomed to at least some level of accountability by public officials.

Are no officials in Aruba held to accountability of any sort?  We surely have not heard of any investigations or efforts to insure they are properly doing their jobs and it is pretty obvious to any who care to look that they are not.  And we have been spoon-fed misinformation by the gallon from those whom Aruba has designated their OFFICIAL spokespersons.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 04, 2007, 02:12:33 AM
posted by bleachedblack on LCD; emphasis added:

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject:    

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First incident of the year? Needs translation.......man attacked with a baseball bat? Today's Diario.

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HOMBER A WORDE MALTRATA CU BATE

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba e prome dia di aña net ora cu dia ta habri a drenta informe cu un grupo di homber a bati un ciudadano cu bate di baseball patras di Las Vegas Bar na San Nicolas y cu e homber aki ta herida.
Mesora a manda tanto polis como ambulans pa bay na e lugar. Na nan yegada nan no a haya ningun persona maltrata, pues nan a sigui nan caminda. Un rato despues a drenta informe cerca ambulans cu tin un homber cu ta maltrata benta abao banda di WanBoy San Nicola


Diario 01/03/2007


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 04, 2007, 11:33:25 AM
MsMarple,
Certainly take your time updating the Summary, wait for the weekend if that is better for you.  We are not under any time constraints at all.  And our patience is legend!   :shock:  :D  :shock:

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: robots on January 05, 2007, 02:14:11 AM
i was pounding this septic tank theory for months  8)

i know it can be done 8)

not that i have done anything like it...but i installed them years ago 8)

for everyone that laughed at me...no one here OF COURSE

 
vindication is cool  8)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 05, 2007, 02:42:55 AM
Robots,
Yes, it is.  And so much for claims by high-priced lawyers claiming every grain of sand has been moved when not even the most basic of searches was ever conducted.  F-16 jets when no search of the property of those last seen with the victim?  Pun-leeze!

And given the vast, wide world out there, how often does the perpetrator of a crime hide his victim right in his own home?  Deep freezers, flower gardens, crawl spaces and attics have all been used by any number of criminals to conceal their misdeeds with a frequency that would defy any form of logic.  For whatever reasons, they just seem to do use space very close at hand very often.

And knowing this full well, the extraordinary measure was taken of having the very judge on hand to countermand the search of the primary residence involved in this when it could also have been the actual crime scene as well.

And they called this an "investigation"?

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: robots on January 05, 2007, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Robots,
Yes, it is.  And so much for claims by high-priced lawyers claiming every grain of sand has been moved when not even the most basic of searches was ever conducted.  F-16 jets when no search of the property of those last seen with the victim?  Pun-leeze!

And given the vast, wide world out there, how often does the perpetrator of a crime hide his victim right in his own home?  Deep freezers, flower gardens, crawl spaces and attics have all been used by any number of criminals to conceal their misdeeds with a frequency that would defy any form of logic.  For whatever reasons, they just seem to do use space very close at hand very often.

And knowing this full well, the extraordinary measure was taken of having the very judge on hand to countermand the search of the primary residence involved in this when it could also have been the actual crime scene as well.

And they called this an "investigation"?

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the INFEST I GATION  <------------------------ 8)  

was a LOAD  :twisted:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: robots on January 06, 2007, 12:06:16 AM
the people in ARUBA that went searching that had the DAY OFF

if they were anything like the SLOOTS, KALPOES and the other CREEPS

they were of little help in searching
im beginning to hate everyone that lives there THAT has not spoken up as they watch their ECONOMY SINK like a ROCK  8)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2007, 12:57:21 PM
Posted on the front page of Diario on January 8, 2007 but without the full article:

Another suicide in Aruba.  From what I can read this person was a cameraman for ATV Television in Aruba.  Looks like he was 25 years old:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Diario010807.jpg)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/8/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 08, 2007, 04:07:52 PM
Interesting observations from Cat on LCD:

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject:    

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Look at his hands,no blood from a struggle,No sign of soiled light pants,how did he get up there,and he doesn't shows signs of brutal struggle(no Broken Neck)just an observation/when you have a hanging,you see how brutal they can be.Cat


His head seems too "upright".


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on January 08, 2007, 05:20:20 PM
Brigitte Katelaan worked for ATV and TeleAruba as a producer.
Camilo Romero worked for ATV as a cameraman.

Both found dead by hanging within weeks of each other.
(Brigitte's latest doumentaries: The International Racetrack
& legal/illegal prostitution in certain towns in Aruba.)

Television Stations:
ATV Aruba Broadcasting Co. N.V.
P.O. Box 5040, Oranjestad
Tel: (297) 583-8150
Fax:(297) 583-8570
Tele Aruba
P.O. Box 392, Oranjestad
Tel: (297) 585-7302
Fax: (297) 585-1683

(Would Aru-bay videos be a part of ATV or TeleAruba?)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 08, 2007, 06:24:12 PM
I am no expert on hangings but can apply a bit of physics to this and as Cat posted, there are several things wrong with this photo.  For one, where is whatever this man was standing on?  I see his shoes neatly right under his body as though they were placed there, not kicked off in a violent struggle.

There are calculations I would think a professional hangman would use related to length of rope versus body weight.  The lighter the body, the longer the rope needed to break the neck or blood vessels to the head resulting in quick death.  This man could just reach up and grab the beam to stop the pain as he would be very slowly choking, not hanged as from the sudden drop which results in unconsciousness.  There is no drop, the rope is much too short so he would be slowly choking to death.

No broken neck, nothing to stand on, no emptying of bladder, no signs of struggle, rope too short, clothing too neat.

Still wish we had started that suicide thread for 2005 saw a huge number of deaths among very young people.  Far too many, IMO, for natural causes.

And I am sure there are those who will be quick to scold us for not respecting the privacy of this individual and his family but I think it more respectful to try to make sure there is nothing suspicious about this death that would indicate it was other than suicide.  Concern is not attacking nor being disrespectful.

JMO.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 08, 2007, 10:21:11 PM
Looks as though 2007 is off to as much crime as previous years and certainly more than we have been told in the past.

These tourists were robbed not once but twice from their room safe!

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Several friends just returned from Marriott Aruba...it was either the Surf or Ocean Club where they own a timeshare and I'm not sure which place it was.


Their friends that they traveled with (also timeshare owners at Marriott Aruba) were robbed from their in room safe not once during their week BUT TWICE.


First time they stole $500 in cash and a digital camera. Police came...very slowly they said, friend lost nearly a day on the beach w/ all the paperwork etc. Marriott reiumbursed (sic) them the cash and camera.


Then IT HAPPENED AGAIN.


This time supposedly there was $1500 in the safe and some other things. Same deal...police, lost day on the beach etc. But Marriott has not settled that robbery with them yet. This has never happened to them in all of their visits previously.


Marriott and police agree that it probably was an "inside" job. And that is all I know. Just posted this for informational purposes. Not bashing Marriott...it could happen anywhere. I love the Marriott. From the sound of it, they handled it approrpiately (sic) and most certainly want to get to the bottom of it as well.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/index.php


I don't think this has been previously posted.  So many now it is difficult to keep up with them.  I wonder if writing crime by date on index cards would help.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 09, 2007, 02:16:55 AM
http://www.solodipueblo.com   - January 8, 2007

Camilo Romero (25), truck - engineer di ATV

STA. CRUZ – Ayeranochi den careda di 8.30 pa 9’or, a drenta un melding cu un persona a pone fin na su bida. Bisiñanan di ex Papiamento restaurant na Playa a mira un persona bisti full na blanco/beige drenta cura di e cas y despues a mir’e ta haciendo algo straño. Na ora cu menos nan por a pensa, a resulta cu un homber a pone fin na su bida. Despues di a averigua, Solo di Pueblo a logra confirma cu ta trata di Camilo Romero kende te cu diabierna ultimo a traha na ATV canal 15. Su funcion tabata truck-engineer ariba e truck di ATV y tabata responsabel pa transmisionnan. Camilo Romero a despedi di su coleganan recientemente y a bisa cu e lo bay Hulanda pa sigui curso of estudio.
No ta conoci si Camilo lo por tabata tin otro tipo di problemanan. Solo di Pueblo ta extende palabranan di condolencia na su famia como tambe na coleganan di ATV.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 09, 2007, 09:12:46 AM
From Amigoe - January 9, 2007
Two teenagers stabbed during torchlight procession
ORANJESTAD – Two teenagers seriously stabbed during torchlight procession.  The incident took place near the Crystal Casino.  One of the teenagers was stabbed in his chest and in his throat and lost a lot of blood.  An ambulance rushed him to the hospital. The other teenager was stabbed in his stomach and punched one of his longs.  He underwent urgent surgery and his situation is critical.  The victims are 17 and 18 years old.  The police are investigating the case.  There's no trace of the culprit.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
http://www.solodipueblo.com   - January 8, 2007

Camilo Romero (25), truck - engineer di ATV

STA. CRUZ – Ayeranochi den careda di 8.30 pa 9’or, a drenta un melding cu un persona a pone fin na su bida. Bisiñanan di ex Papiamento restaurant na Playa a mira un persona bisti full na blanco/beige drenta cura di e cas y despues a mir’e ta haciendo algo straño. Na ora cu menos nan por a pensa, a resulta cu un homber a pone fin na su bida. Despues di a averigua, Solo di Pueblo a logra confirma cu ta trata di Camilo Romero kende te cu diabierna ultimo a traha na ATV canal 15. Su funcion tabata truck-engineer ariba e truck di ATV y tabata responsabel pa transmisionnan. Camilo Romero a despedi di su coleganan recientemente y a bisa cu e lo bay Hulanda pa sigui curso of estudio.
No ta conoci si Camilo lo por tabata tin otro tipo di problemanan. Solo di Pueblo ta extende palabranan di condolencia na su famia como tambe na coleganan di ATV.


Here's the entire article with the photos.  

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/SuicideAruba.jpg


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 09, 2007, 11:44:13 AM
Thanks Leslie and klaas.

Anna - Keeping up with all the crimes would be a full-time job!

And the automobile accidents ... most days the papers have several photos of cars that look pretty much demolished.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2007, 05:53:24 PM
The second photograph of the latest suicide by hanging looks completely different that the first one.  If not for the stats on the victim, I would think it was a completely different scene.  In the second one, the rope does not appear short at all so the beam right about the head in the first photo must be from the angle as nothing is there in this second one.   :shock:  :?:  :?:  :?:

And he does appear to be wearing gloves which is not apparent in the first photo we saw.  Oddly enough, the pants look dark in the second photo and light in the first in color.  It further appears he jumped off the top on the building with rope attached to the beam beside it.  That would give sufficient drop, etc. to cause instant or rapid death.  But his shoes are directly underneath and that is strange as they look placed.

This is a good example how the angle of a photo can make all the difference and the second photo look much more like an actual suicide than the first.  

I do believe that in most places suicide is against the law and therefore a crime so we should include as many of those as we find as well.  It is the taking of another life, homicide of a form, even it it is their own life they take.  

MsMarple, I hope you can post the new Summary at the top of a page so if anyone wanted to print it, it is all that would be on that page.  Do you think that is possible or does that even really matter>

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Florida on January 09, 2007, 06:32:13 PM
The photo from the second article is of a LE officer...wearing gloves.

IMO...The first article photo looks like someone hung a dead body there.
I wonder what the connection to the restaurant is.....And if Camilo worked for TeleAruba also as did Brigitte.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
The second photograph of the latest suicide by hanging looks completely different that the first one.  If not for the stats on the victim, I would think it was a completely different scene.  In the second one, the rope does not appear short at all so the beam right about the head in the first photo must be from the angle as nothing is there in this second one.   :shock:  :?:  :?:  :?:

And he does appear to be wearing gloves which is not apparent in the first photo we saw.  Oddly enough, the pants look dark in the second photo and light in the first in color.  It further appears he jumped off the top on the building with rope attached to the beam beside it.  That would give sufficient drop, etc. to cause instant or rapid death.  But his shoes are directly underneath and that is strange as they look placed.

This is a good example how the angle of a photo can make all the difference and the second photo look much more like an actual suicide than the first.  

I do believe that in most places suicide is against the law and therefore a crime so we should include as many of those as we find as well.  It is the taking of another life, homicide of a form, even it it is their own life they take.  

MsMarple, I hope you can post the new Summary at the top of a page so if anyone wanted to print it, it is all that would be on that page.  Do you think that is possible or does that even really matter>

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Anna - in that second picture I don't think we are seeing the guy who committed suicide.  I think that's a police officer standing there.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 09:58:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted on the front page of Diario on January 8, 2007 but without the full article:

Another suicide in Aruba.  From what I can read this person was a cameraman for ATV Television in Aruba.  Looks like he was 25 years old:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Diario010807.jpg)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/8/


Wanted to make sure we had both of these in the same spot:

Quote from: "klaasend"
Another Suicide

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/

PRODUCTOR DI PROGRAMA NA TELEARUBA A COMETE SUICIDIO
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/productorte.jpg)

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mundo di prensa audiovisual ta na luto na Aruba, ora cu un conocido productor di TV local a comete suicidio, Diamars merdia na su cas na Macuarima.

   Tabata algo banda di 3’or, cu e informe a drenta cu na Macuarima tin un persona ta horcando su mes e momento ey.  Pero ora cu Polis y Ambulans a yega ya caba ta laat.  Den patio net riba un cura di popchi, e dama Brigitte Christine Katelaan a comete e acto tristo aki, y asina autoridad a bin haye.

   Polis ni Ambulans por a haci nada mas.  Pero demas autoridad halto a ser yama, y Departamento Tecnico di Polis a bin haci su investigacion.  Banda di 3:30’or, Docter Brouwer a constata morto di e dama aki, kende a nace dia 3 di Mei 1970 na Hulanda.

   E dama di 36 aña aki ta trahando como Productor di programa na TeleAruba.  Anteriormente el a yega di funciona tambe na ATV, y prome cu esey tabata traha na Curaçao.

   E tin un yiu muher kende ta studiando actualmente na Hulanda, y sigur e noticia aki ta dal henter famia como un shock.

   Ningun hende a mira Brigitte den mal humor ultimo dianan aki.  Semper e tabata un persona energetico, cu yen plan pa bida, y yen di idea di creatividad pa su programanan.  TeleAruba mes a bay den luto desde Diamars atardi caba.

   Kico a pone Brigitte comete lo extremo aki?  Ningun detaye ta existi si acaso tin problema na trabao.  Pero ta varios storia a circula Diamars atardi y anochi, sinembargo e so sa di con el a haci esaki.

Tin indicacion cu el a laga un carta atras, pero autoridad no por a confirma esaki pa DIARIO.

   Na su famia, y coleganan di TV, Matutino DIARIO ta expresa su mas profundo palabra di condolencia.
 
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/produ1.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
THANK YOU SANDY! Unfortunately I steered you wrong - Leslie posted that those cases were in Holland. How I missed that I don't know; sorry. But thank you for Answering the Call; you're a sweetie.

I have spent most of the day going over Section A of Solo di Pueblo with the @#$%& online Pap translator.

Here's what I've got from there, and from Bon Dia's similar issue. These are incidents I don't *think* we've already got.

From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue:
http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

01/23/2006 – Man found dead in a boat near Marriot.

02/12/2006 – Alberto Augusto Peral (Peralta?) apparently killed by a gang.

05/23/2006 – Enrique Reynier Loefstop, 51, apparently beaten to death by his(?) child, with a baseball bat. Apparently an altercation over the son’s drug use.

??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old  Colombian sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred. This case is not part of the SM 2005 Summary.

09/??/2006 – Mysterious death at Tanki Leendirt (near “Euro Kitchen”?) of chef/cook of Eagle Hotel. Cause of death unknown.


From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section. Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

03/??/2006 – American tourist robbed and beaten in an alley in San Nicolas.
03/??/2006 – Dave Billy Aubert, 20, a local, killed in a hit & run.

06/??/2006 – Igor Richardson killed outside Las Vegas bar, San Nichols.
06/??/2006 – Man beaten with baseball bat at Malboro Ball Park.
06/??/2006 – Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.”

09/??/2006 – man convicted, sentenced to 24 yrs for killing of Pino Suarez. (When?)
09/??/2006 – Pascualito Geerman found dead at Baco Prins. Cause of death not noted.

10/??/2006 – over 3,000 kilos (over 6,613.8 lbs) of drugs seized.

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Leslie - Re. the list you posted previously -

The "doktor" who committed suicide in January - didn't even give his name. I just decided to leave it out.

Rafael de Cuba - I didn't get that he was killed. What I think I got was that he/she underwent a sex change. !!! ????

Cornelius Bossers - I didn't get that he was killed, or that foul play is suspected.

Pedro Anterisijn - Same thing; didn't sound as though foul play suspected.

Pascualito Geerman - Same thing ...

I think those last 3 might have been included because of their local positions or popularity ??? Or because they were Dutch??  :twisted:

In General - The translator is so poor that I don't have a lot of confidence in it. If I have not included something, it's because I couldn't find a suggestion of foul play, or involvement of a tourist. There were some traffic fatalities that I didn't include.

Now, I will turn to updating the Summary. This will take a few days with all of these additions. Remember that I have to make sure we don't already have in some form or another.


I'll be looking forward to the summary.  Thanks msmarple.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted on the front page of Diario on January 8, 2007 but without the full article:

Another suicide in Aruba.  From what I can read this person was a cameraman for ATV Television in Aruba.  Looks like he was 25 years old:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Diario010807.jpg)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/8/


Wanted to make sure we had both of these in the same spot:

Quote from: "klaasend"
Another Suicide

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/

PRODUCTOR DI PROGRAMA NA TELEARUBA A COMETE SUICIDIO
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/productorte.jpg)

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mundo di prensa audiovisual ta na luto na Aruba, ora cu un conocido productor di TV local a comete suicidio, Diamars merdia na su cas na Macuarima.

   Tabata algo banda di 3’or, cu e informe a drenta cu na Macuarima tin un persona ta horcando su mes e momento ey.  Pero ora cu Polis y Ambulans a yega ya caba ta laat.  Den patio net riba un cura di popchi, e dama Brigitte Christine Katelaan a comete e acto tristo aki, y asina autoridad a bin haye.

   Polis ni Ambulans por a haci nada mas.  Pero demas autoridad halto a ser yama, y Departamento Tecnico di Polis a bin haci su investigacion.  Banda di 3:30’or, Docter Brouwer a constata morto di e dama aki, kende a nace dia 3 di Mei 1970 na Hulanda.

   E dama di 36 aña aki ta trahando como Productor di programa na TeleAruba.  Anteriormente el a yega di funciona tambe na ATV, y prome cu esey tabata traha na Curaçao.

   E tin un yiu muher kende ta studiando actualmente na Hulanda, y sigur e noticia aki ta dal henter famia como un shock.

   Ningun hende a mira Brigitte den mal humor ultimo dianan aki.  Semper e tabata un persona energetico, cu yen plan pa bida, y yen di idea di creatividad pa su programanan.  TeleAruba mes a bay den luto desde Diamars atardi caba.

   Kico a pone Brigitte comete lo extremo aki?  Ningun detaye ta existi si acaso tin problema na trabao.  Pero ta varios storia a circula Diamars atardi y anochi, sinembargo e so sa di con el a haci esaki.

Tin indicacion cu el a laga un carta atras, pero autoridad no por a confirma esaki pa DIARIO.

   Na su famia, y coleganan di TV, Matutino DIARIO ta expresa su mas profundo palabra di condolencia.
 
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/produ1.jpg)

Meant to add, here is the complete article on the cameraman in Solo di Pueblo:


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/SuicideAruba.jpg


Title: Re: Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Most Recent Year first as of 10/20/2006


Does not include all posts, but does include all violent incidents posted.

In most cases, more detail is available on previous pages of this site – although not in chronological order, and there is duplication.

2006
01/06/2006 – An American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday … The Americans victim had become of a overval, where the robbers thousand dollars, credit card and the drivers license of the man buitmaakten. The victims were treated brutally with violence and incurred thereby light wounds. Amigoe.com
Posted 9/14 at Scared Monkeys (SM) Murder & Crime (M&C) thread by msmarple, credit Blogs for Natalee (BFN)

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01/06/2006 - A report which is circulating in Holland caught Diario’s attention, related to a declaration from the High Command of the police in Utrecht. Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case. Diario
Posted 8/14 at M&C by msmarple; from LCD

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03/20/2006 – The ship Rachel S arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person, Bernard Ramsaran, on board, and a local autopsy determined that the man died of natural causes (heart failure). However, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad and Tobago disclosed that he died of traumatic asphyxia; e.g. strangled and choked. The body had visible marks of violence. As Diario asks, how did Aruba miss this one? (Interpol is investigating as a High Seas case.) Diario - also see rcharan@trinidadexpress.com .
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from Getagrip. Update posted 9/13 by Anna. Also 9/13 by Appeals

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04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose; do not know whether that has changed. SM has photos. Amigoe
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

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04/18/2006 – Raul Croes attacked in a restaurant with a machete. Solo di Pueblo
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to leslie

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06/23/2006 – Unknown woman found in trash pile; Bondia prints graphic photo of corpse. SM has photo.
Posted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple; update posted 8/14 by msmarple

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06/??/2006 – Male corpse found floating offshore; reportedly a fisherman, wrapped in tarp. No further detail available. Diario ?
Posted 8/22 at M&C by lexie. Update from Hotshot via msmarple posted 8/29

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06/24/2006 – U.S. tourist “bothered” by “false polis” attempting to exchange sex for a “fine” for an undisclosed, not revealed, offense. Amigoe
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from LCD thread

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07/27/2006 – Gang rape and cell phone taping of 16-yr-old girl at school. Tape is uploaded to internet. Girl’s parents not pressing charges. Diario
Posted 8/14 on LCD by sandy leiva on LCD; to M&C via msmarple

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08/21/2006 –British woman reports attempted rape. Diario
Posted 8/22 at M&C by SunnyInTx, from Refugees Unleashed (RU)

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08/21/2006 – Local female attacked at her Wayaca home by two men who hold knife to her throat; rob the house; demand to know where the woman’s husband, a polis officer, keeps his gun. Amigoe
Posted 8/25 at LCD by Sharon; at M&C 8/25 via msmarple

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08/29/2006 – Diario reports the arrest of a man for attacking a female tourist at a restaurant.
Posted 10/17 at M&C thread by msmarple; posted on LCD by SunFreak2 10/16/2006

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09/03/2006 – U.S. tourist with 4 other people including 3 females, was assaulted by the bouncer and 5 patrons at Cafe Bahia. The tourist had 3 ribs broken and his left shoulder was fractured. Tourist says some of the patrons who attacked him were from the Curacao racing team.
Posted 10/16 at M&C thread by 2NJSons_Mom

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09/18/2006 – Diario reports that a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who subsequently required medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer was arrested and fired. The tourist returned home. This may be a report on the 09/03/2006 incident above.
Posted 9/14 at M&C thread by msmarple, posted by Klaas and Easywriter on LCD 9/18; Diario

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2005
A comparison to U.S. Murder Statistics for the year 2005 is on Page 7 of this thread.

03/??/2005 - Brazilian man murdered by another Brazilian man. BonDia? No details available now.
Posted 8/16 at LCD by Shizaru; to M&C via msmarple

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04/30/2005 - Fatal shooting (victim “E.F.”) during a party near hotel La Cabana. Amigoe.com
Posted 8/20 at M&C by msmarple

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05/20/2005 – Tracy Allen (US tourist) assault attempt near Marriott Fisherman’s Huts (Hadacurari Beach). Provided composite sketch to FBI in December 2005 (sketch also provided to Aruba Polis). Ms. Allen told her story on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby on March 12, 2006). SM has a comparison photo of a local who looks exactly like the sketch -
http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, after mrs. red & san mention on LCD 8/28
msmarple phoned the FBI 9/15 re. the composite sketch resemblance seen here (LCD 9/14, p. 7):
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy


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05/30/2005 – Natalee Holloway last seen with 3 locals leaving C&Cs.
On FBI site “Seeking Information” -
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm
 
* * *
05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach. Diario
Posted 8/19 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *
??/??/2005 – U.S. tourist, female, with friends, same week Natalee went missing. Odd incident resembling an attempted kidnapping.
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2

* * *
06/10/2005 – Aru-Bay videotapes from afar, the curious incident of rock painting in broad daylight (!) by Visibility Police and Polis. Also captured in this tape is what appears to be the recovery of a body. It is eventually claimed to be that of a 7-yr-old illegal immigrant from Columbia, and also that the body “had been found” a year earlier. Why was he there, not in cemetery? SM has access to the videos, and still shots of questionable activity.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by msmarple. SunFreak2’s timeline quoted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife and/or “companion” charged.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

* * *
06/23/2005 – This is the date “Combat Jack” posted about an armed gang robbing several casinos (including one he was in). He was told the next day that Polis caught them and most were killed. (Not sure of the credibility of this story. Also no idea of when the alleged incident occurred, but taken in context, it was before Miss Holloway disappeared.) http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/06/combat_jacks_gu_1.html
Posted 9/10 at M&C by Sharon

* * *
Summer 2005 – Two security guards jumped off building (separate episodes). La Cabana Hotel was the site of one (maybe both) of them. That there are two instances, same occupation, maybe same building, make this suspicious. There were at least two other reported suicides that summer – one “on the beach”, one “30-yr-old woman”.
Posted 8/16 at M&C by Tidycat; and 8/29 by Appeals

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11/04/2005 - Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/04/2005 - Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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2004
??/??/2004 – A USAToday story of 6/14/2005 implies there were 5 homicides in 2004, per Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics. “Police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995.”
Posted 9/11 at M&C by msmarple

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??/??/2004 – Dave Holloway stated on Dana Pretzer’s radio show of 10/01/2006, that another girl went missing on Aruba a year before Natalee.
Posted 10/01 at M&C by msmarple

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01/??/2004 – Brian Battjer’s “Ikeepa Diary” web album records his and a friend’s vacation on Aruba 01/2004. The photo journal includes “the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named ‘Ramses’, with local ‘polis chief’ in attendance.” The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.
Posted 8/30 by the big hammer on LCD with credit to BLEACHEDBLACK; to M&C by msmarple 8/30

* * *
05/??/2004 – U.S. tourist Max Devrees, 14, traveling with his mother and younger sister (father was recently deceased). Apparently Max drowned; body never recovered. David Stacey Sr. (56, U.S.) is the older man Max went windsurfing with. Max’s mother was not satisfied with the investigation and was suspicious of Stacey. She started a foundation in his memory to benefit a hospital in their hometown. Meanwhile, some on Aruba claim it was an insurance scam and that Max & his family are living well somewhere in S. America. http://tinyurl.com/hst9o
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2 (see p. 6 for full account)

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07/30/2004 – Security Guard suicide.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/+-580.html
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

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2003
??/??/2003 – U.S. tourist from North Shore Boston told a local TV station that on her last night on Aruba in 2003, a local man "… took me to … Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me." Reported to Aruba Polis; no result.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
2002
01/29/2002 – U.S. tourist Gary Makings disappeared. Last seen when he left to go snorkeling. Was staying at the Arubahouse. travismakings@yahoo.com
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
2001
03/09/2001 – Bulgarian Poli Pantev shot in an elevator at Sonesta Hotel; shooting captured on security camera. Appeared to be drug-related. http://tinyurl.com/khue2
Posted 8/24 at M&C by msmarple. Updates 8/25 by msmarple. Also by Appeals 9/14 and SunFreak2 9/14

* * *
12/24/2001 – U.S. tourist “Marie” from Boston was dragged into a car as she was leaving Carols ‘n’ Charlie’s; the car drove away from the area and she was raped.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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2000
??/??/2000 - Registered deaths due to suicide in 2000: 6; due to homicide, 0. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
Posted 8/27 at M&C by ldstlou

* * *
??/??/2000 – “Five years ago a childhood friend of my husband was murdered in Aruba, a screwdriver was the weapon. As far as I know the murder was never solved, we were told it was drug related and the murderer was a local boy so the government did not do much of an investigation.” -- Ann Graham, Houston, TX (posted in 2005 to a message board; see http://tinyurl.com/mgrqx)
Posted 9/04 at M&C by yapperz1

* * *
1999
??/??/1999 – Registered deaths due to suicide in 1999: 2; due to homicide, 3. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
http://www.ops-oms.org.ve/site/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
06/09/1999 – U.S. tourist Willard “Bud” Larson disappeared after a dispute at the Windsurf Village Board Shop.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
1998
02/06/1998 – Italian boy Gianni Ferrara was kidnapped from Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Through Venezuelan efforts, the boy was forcibly freed on 04/22/1998; 38 people were arrested.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
03/24/1998 – U.S. tourist Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from cruise ship just after dawn, while docked at Curacao. According to her parents, crew members had tried to get her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Aruba, on the night before she vanished.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic. Updated 9/14 by msmarple

* * *
1996
???/??/1996 – U.S. female tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
08/24/1996 – Richard Henriquez last seen on Aruba. He was being treated for a nervous condition at a local facility. Possibly in South America.
htthttp://p://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 9/16 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
??/??/1996 – U.S. couple traveling with four friends - the two of them were drugged and taken from the hotel casino. Husband was locked in a back room of The Rio Grande. Wife was taken “out to the desert” and raped and beaten. The group was staying at Holiday Inn. Reported to Polis, but no results.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
1987 – 1993
One female in the 15-24 age range was murdered. Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis Core Health Data Initiative
http://www.paho.org/English/SHA/prflaru.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

* * *


As refererance, this was the report in October 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Deathsnon-naturalcauses.gif)


Thanks Slueth for that info!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Looks as though 2007 is off to as much crime as previous years and certainly more than we have been told in the past.

These tourists were robbed not once but twice from their room safe!

Quote:






Several friends just returned from Marriott Aruba...it was either the Surf or Ocean Club where they own a timeshare and I'm not sure which place it was.


Their friends that they traveled with (also timeshare owners at Marriott Aruba) were robbed from their in room safe not once during their week BUT TWICE.


First time they stole $500 in cash and a digital camera. Police came...very slowly they said, friend lost nearly a day on the beach w/ all the paperwork etc. Marriott reiumbursed (sic) them the cash and camera.


Then IT HAPPENED AGAIN.


This time supposedly there was $1500 in the safe and some other things. Same deal...police, lost day on the beach etc. But Marriott has not settled that robbery with them yet. This has never happened to them in all of their visits previously.


Marriott and police agree that it probably was an "inside" job. And that is all I know. Just posted this for informational purposes. Not bashing Marriott...it could happen anywhere. I love the Marriott. From the sound of it, they handled it approrpiately (sic) and most certainly want to get to the bottom of it as well.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/index.php


I don't think this has been previously posted.  So many now it is difficult to keep up with them.  I wonder if writing crime by date on index cards would help.

.


Thanks Anna for posting this.


Title: Re: Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba
Most Recent Year first as of 10/20/2006


Does not include all posts, but does include all violent incidents posted.

In most cases, more detail is available on previous pages of this site – although not in chronological order, and there is duplication.

2006
01/06/2006 – An American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday … The Americans victim had become of a overval, where the robbers thousand dollars, credit card and the drivers license of the man buitmaakten. The victims were treated brutally with violence and incurred thereby light wounds. Amigoe.com
Posted 9/14 at Scared Monkeys (SM) Murder & Crime (M&C) thread by msmarple, credit Blogs for Natalee (BFN)

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01/06/2006 - A report which is circulating in Holland caught Diario’s attention, related to a declaration from the High Command of the police in Utrecht. Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case. Diario
Posted 8/14 at M&C by msmarple; from LCD

* * *
03/20/2006 – The ship Rachel S arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person, Bernard Ramsaran, on board, and a local autopsy determined that the man died of natural causes (heart failure). However, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad and Tobago disclosed that he died of traumatic asphyxia; e.g. strangled and choked. The body had visible marks of violence. As Diario asks, how did Aruba miss this one? (Interpol is investigating as a High Seas case.) Diario - also see rcharan@trinidadexpress.com .
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from Getagrip. Update posted 9/13 by Anna. Also 9/13 by Appeals

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04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose; do not know whether that has changed. SM has photos. Amigoe
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

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04/18/2006 – Raul Croes attacked in a restaurant with a machete. Solo di Pueblo
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to leslie

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06/23/2006 – Unknown woman found in trash pile; Bondia prints graphic photo of corpse. SM has photo.
Posted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple; update posted 8/14 by msmarple

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06/??/2006 – Male corpse found floating offshore; reportedly a fisherman, wrapped in tarp. No further detail available. Diario ?
Posted 8/22 at M&C by lexie. Update from Hotshot via msmarple posted 8/29

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06/24/2006 – U.S. tourist “bothered” by “false polis” attempting to exchange sex for a “fine” for an undisclosed, not revealed, offense. Amigoe
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, from LCD thread

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07/27/2006 – Gang rape and cell phone taping of 16-yr-old girl at school. Tape is uploaded to internet. Girl’s parents not pressing charges. Diario
Posted 8/14 on LCD by sandy leiva on LCD; to M&C via msmarple

* * *
08/21/2006 –British woman reports attempted rape. Diario
Posted 8/22 at M&C by SunnyInTx, from Refugees Unleashed (RU)

* * *
08/21/2006 – Local female attacked at her Wayaca home by two men who hold knife to her throat; rob the house; demand to know where the woman’s husband, a polis officer, keeps his gun. Amigoe
Posted 8/25 at LCD by Sharon; at M&C 8/25 via msmarple

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08/29/2006 – Diario reports the arrest of a man for attacking a female tourist at a restaurant.
Posted 10/17 at M&C thread by msmarple; posted on LCD by SunFreak2 10/16/2006

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09/03/2006 – U.S. tourist with 4 other people including 3 females, was assaulted by the bouncer and 5 patrons at Cafe Bahia. The tourist had 3 ribs broken and his left shoulder was fractured. Tourist says some of the patrons who attacked him were from the Curacao racing team.
Posted 10/16 at M&C thread by 2NJSons_Mom

* * *
09/18/2006 – Diario reports that a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who subsequently required medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer was arrested and fired. The tourist returned home. This may be a report on the 09/03/2006 incident above.
Posted 9/14 at M&C thread by msmarple, posted by Klaas and Easywriter on LCD 9/18; Diario

* * *
2005
A comparison to U.S. Murder Statistics for the year 2005 is on Page 7 of this thread.

03/??/2005 - Brazilian man murdered by another Brazilian man. BonDia? No details available now.
Posted 8/16 at LCD by Shizaru; to M&C via msmarple

* * *
04/30/2005 - Fatal shooting (victim “E.F.”) during a party near hotel La Cabana. Amigoe.com
Posted 8/20 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
05/20/2005 – Tracy Allen (US tourist) assault attempt near Marriott Fisherman’s Huts (Hadacurari Beach). Provided composite sketch to FBI in December 2005 (sketch also provided to Aruba Polis). Ms. Allen told her story on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby on March 12, 2006). SM has a comparison photo of a local who looks exactly like the sketch -
http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple, after mrs. red & san mention on LCD 8/28
msmarple phoned the FBI 9/15 re. the composite sketch resemblance seen here (LCD 9/14, p. 7):
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy


* * *
05/30/2005 – Natalee Holloway last seen with 3 locals leaving C&Cs.
On FBI site “Seeking Information” -
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm
 
* * *
05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach. Diario
Posted 8/19 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *
??/??/2005 – U.S. tourist, female, with friends, same week Natalee went missing. Odd incident resembling an attempted kidnapping.
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2

* * *
06/10/2005 – Aru-Bay videotapes from afar, the curious incident of rock painting in broad daylight (!) by Visibility Police and Polis. Also captured in this tape is what appears to be the recovery of a body. It is eventually claimed to be that of a 7-yr-old illegal immigrant from Columbia, and also that the body “had been found” a year earlier. Why was he there, not in cemetery? SM has access to the videos, and still shots of questionable activity.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by msmarple. SunFreak2’s timeline quoted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife and/or “companion” charged.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

* * *
06/23/2005 – This is the date “Combat Jack” posted about an armed gang robbing several casinos (including one he was in). He was told the next day that Polis caught them and most were killed. (Not sure of the credibility of this story. Also no idea of when the alleged incident occurred, but taken in context, it was before Miss Holloway disappeared.) http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/06/combat_jacks_gu_1.html
Posted 9/10 at M&C by Sharon

* * *
Summer 2005 – Two security guards jumped off building (separate episodes). La Cabana Hotel was the site of one (maybe both) of them. That there are two instances, same occupation, maybe same building, make this suspicious. There were at least two other reported suicides that summer – one “on the beach”, one “30-yr-old woman”.
Posted 8/16 at M&C by Tidycat; and 8/29 by Appeals

* * *
11/04/2005 - Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
11/04/2005 - Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

* * *
2004
??/??/2004 – A USAToday story of 6/14/2005 implies there were 5 homicides in 2004, per Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics. “Police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995.”
Posted 9/11 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
??/??/2004 – Dave Holloway stated on Dana Pretzer’s radio show of 10/01/2006, that another girl went missing on Aruba a year before Natalee.
Posted 10/01 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
01/??/2004 – Brian Battjer’s “Ikeepa Diary” web album records his and a friend’s vacation on Aruba 01/2004. The photo journal includes “the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named ‘Ramses’, with local ‘polis chief’ in attendance.” The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.
Posted 8/30 by the big hammer on LCD with credit to BLEACHEDBLACK; to M&C by msmarple 8/30

* * *
05/??/2004 – U.S. tourist Max Devrees, 14, traveling with his mother and younger sister (father was recently deceased). Apparently Max drowned; body never recovered. David Stacey Sr. (56, U.S.) is the older man Max went windsurfing with. Max’s mother was not satisfied with the investigation and was suspicious of Stacey. She started a foundation in his memory to benefit a hospital in their hometown. Meanwhile, some on Aruba claim it was an insurance scam and that Max & his family are living well somewhere in S. America. http://tinyurl.com/hst9o
Posted 9/14 at M&C by SunFreak2 (see p. 6 for full account)

* * *
07/30/2004 – Security Guard suicide.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/+-580.html
Posted 8/29 at M&C by Appeals

* * *
2003
??/??/2003 – U.S. tourist from North Shore Boston told a local TV station that on her last night on Aruba in 2003, a local man "… took me to … Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me." Reported to Aruba Polis; no result.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
2002
01/29/2002 – U.S. tourist Gary Makings disappeared. Last seen when he left to go snorkeling. Was staying at the Arubahouse. travismakings@yahoo.com
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
2001
03/09/2001 – Bulgarian Poli Pantev shot in an elevator at Sonesta Hotel; shooting captured on security camera. Appeared to be drug-related. http://tinyurl.com/khue2
Posted 8/24 at M&C by msmarple. Updates 8/25 by msmarple. Also by Appeals 9/14 and SunFreak2 9/14

* * *
12/24/2001 – U.S. tourist “Marie” from Boston was dragged into a car as she was leaving Carols ‘n’ Charlie’s; the car drove away from the area and she was raped.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
2000
??/??/2000 - Registered deaths due to suicide in 2000: 6; due to homicide, 0. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
Posted 8/27 at M&C by ldstlou

* * *
??/??/2000 – “Five years ago a childhood friend of my husband was murdered in Aruba, a screwdriver was the weapon. As far as I know the murder was never solved, we were told it was drug related and the murderer was a local boy so the government did not do much of an investigation.” -- Ann Graham, Houston, TX (posted in 2005 to a message board; see http://tinyurl.com/mgrqx)
Posted 9/04 at M&C by yapperz1

* * *
1999
??/??/1999 – Registered deaths due to suicide in 1999: 2; due to homicide, 3. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
http://www.ops-oms.org.ve/site/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
06/09/1999 – U.S. tourist Willard “Bud” Larson disappeared after a dispute at the Windsurf Village Board Shop.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
1998
02/06/1998 – Italian boy Gianni Ferrara was kidnapped from Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Through Venezuelan efforts, the boy was forcibly freed on 04/22/1998; 38 people were arrested.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
03/24/1998 – U.S. tourist Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from cruise ship just after dawn, while docked at Curacao. According to her parents, crew members had tried to get her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Aruba, on the night before she vanished.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic. Updated 9/14 by msmarple

* * *
1996
???/??/1996 – U.S. female tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
08/24/1996 – Richard Henriquez last seen on Aruba. He was being treated for a nervous condition at a local facility. Possibly in South America.
htthttp://p://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 9/16 at M&C by msmarple

* * *
??/??/1996 – U.S. couple traveling with four friends - the two of them were drugged and taken from the hotel casino. Husband was locked in a back room of The Rio Grande. Wife was taken “out to the desert” and raped and beaten. The group was staying at Holiday Inn. Reported to Polis, but no results.
Posted 8/27 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

* * *
1987 – 1993
One female in the 15-24 age range was murdered. Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis Core Health Data Initiative
http://www.paho.org/English/SHA/prflaru.htm
Posted 8/28 at M&C by msmarple

* * *


As refererance, this was the report in October 2006.


ONe more time for the October summary.  The new summary for January 2007 should be posted at the top of page 16.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted on the front page of Diario on January 8, 2007 but without the full article:

Another suicide in Aruba.  From what I can read this person was a cameraman for ATV Television in Aruba.  Looks like he was 25 years old:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Diario010807.jpg)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/8/


Wanted to make sure we had both of these in the same spot:

Quote from: "klaasend"
Another Suicide

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/

PRODUCTOR DI PROGRAMA NA TELEARUBA A COMETE SUICIDIO
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/productorte.jpg)

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mundo di prensa audiovisual ta na luto na Aruba, ora cu un conocido productor di TV local a comete suicidio, Diamars merdia na su cas na Macuarima.

   Tabata algo banda di 3’or, cu e informe a drenta cu na Macuarima tin un persona ta horcando su mes e momento ey.  Pero ora cu Polis y Ambulans a yega ya caba ta laat.  Den patio net riba un cura di popchi, e dama Brigitte Christine Katelaan a comete e acto tristo aki, y asina autoridad a bin haye.

   Polis ni Ambulans por a haci nada mas.  Pero demas autoridad halto a ser yama, y Departamento Tecnico di Polis a bin haci su investigacion.  Banda di 3:30’or, Docter Brouwer a constata morto di e dama aki, kende a nace dia 3 di Mei 1970 na Hulanda.

   E dama di 36 aña aki ta trahando como Productor di programa na TeleAruba.  Anteriormente el a yega di funciona tambe na ATV, y prome cu esey tabata traha na Curaçao.

   E tin un yiu muher kende ta studiando actualmente na Hulanda, y sigur e noticia aki ta dal henter famia como un shock.

   Ningun hende a mira Brigitte den mal humor ultimo dianan aki.  Semper e tabata un persona energetico, cu yen plan pa bida, y yen di idea di creatividad pa su programanan.  TeleAruba mes a bay den luto desde Diamars atardi caba.

   Kico a pone Brigitte comete lo extremo aki?  Ningun detaye ta existi si acaso tin problema na trabao.  Pero ta varios storia a circula Diamars atardi y anochi, sinembargo e so sa di con el a haci esaki.

Tin indicacion cu el a laga un carta atras, pero autoridad no por a confirma esaki pa DIARIO.

   Na su famia, y coleganan di TV, Matutino DIARIO ta expresa su mas profundo palabra di condolencia.
 
(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/noticiadidia/produ1.jpg)

Meant to add, here is the complete article on the cameraman in Solo di Pueblo:


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/SuicideAruba.jpg


ATV Television

ATV TELEVISION  
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 94, ORANJESTAD WEST  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY  
Name of the company  ABC ARUBA BROADCASTING COMPANY NV  
Statutory seat  ARUBA  
Date of incorporation  4 OCTOBER 1995  
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 1,500,000.00  
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 300,000.00  
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 300,000.00  
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER  
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:  
 
PIETERSZ, THOMAS CAREL;  
Residing in  CAYA RUFO WEVER 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 16 JULY 1945  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  1 JANUARY 1996  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
EMAN, MICHIEL GODFRIED;  
Residing in  JACOB CATSSTRAAT 1, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 1 SEPTEMBER 1961  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  1 JANUARY 1996  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
CROES, ALDRICH FRANCIS;  
Residing in  BUCUTIWEG 24, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 24 OCTOBER 1961  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  1 JANUARY 1996  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
WINKLAAR, VICTOR RICARDO;  
Residing in  MORGENSTER 5, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 12 DECEMBER 1966  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  1 JANUARY 1996  
Authority  RESTRICTED


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Interesting observations from Cat on LCD:

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject:    

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Look at his hands,no blood from a struggle,No sign of soiled light pants,how did he get up there,and he doesn't shows signs of brutal struggle(no Broken Neck)just an observation/when you have a hanging,you see how brutal they can be.Cat


His head seems too "upright".

Yep very interresting observations.  Does not look right to me either.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 09, 2007, 10:25:49 PM
Summary - Murder & Crime on Aruba  
Most Recent Year first - As of 01/09/2007


Does not include all incidents, but does include all violent incidents posted on previous pages, and selected other posts.

In most cases, more detail is available on previous pages of this thread – although incidents are not in chronological order, and there is duplication.

A note about “room invasions” – Although many thefts from rooms, rental cars, and the beach, are posted, this Summary references only those posts indicating that guests were in their rooms at the time of a room invasion – and also provide some indication of a date of the occurrence or posting.

SM - Scared Monkeys web site, Natalee Holloway Forum
LCD - SM, Lively Case Discussion thread
M&C - SM, Important Case Documents, Murder and Crime thread
BFN - Blogs for Natalee web site

Thanks to:
Anna – For starting the Murder & Crime thread, and writing letters!
sandy leiva – For translating Papiamento!
bleachedblack – For reconnoitering the Aruba and travel message boards.
Leslie – For posting links to Aruba publications faithfully, daily, and often giving a heads-up on murder and mayhem.
klaas – For doing everything! well! graciously!
All the Monkeys for keeping their eyes on Aruba, and posting here!

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2007
01/03/2007 – Diario reports that a man was attacked by a group of men, with baseball bat, at Las Vegas bar.
Diario 01/03/2007
Posted 01/03/2007 at LCD by bleachedblack; copied to M&C by msmarple.

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01/07/2007 -- Diario 01/08/2007 reports that Camilo Andres Romero Heredia (Camilo Romero), 25, a cameraman for ATV, was found hanged; died on 01/07. Apparently considered a suicide. Graphic photo. The second hanging within ten days.
Posted 01/08/2007 at M&C thread by klaas.

Comments by Cat on LCD, posted 01/08/2007:
Look at his hands,no blood from a struggle,No sign of soiled light pants,how did he get up there,and he doesn't shows signs of brutal struggle(no Broken Neck)just an observation/when you have a hanging,you see how brutal they can be.Cat

Comment by msmarple on M&C thread:
   His head seems too "upright".
Comments by Anna on M&C thread:   … shoes neatly right under his body … Rope is too short …

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01/09/2007 -- From Amigoe - January 9, 2007:
Two teenagers stabbed during torchlight procession near Crystal Casino. One was stabbed in his chest and throat. The other was stabbed in his stomach and a lung was punctured. Critical condition.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
Posted at M&C 01/09/2007 by Leslie


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2006
Note: we believe there were 14 murders that we know of, on Aruba, in 2006. The dates of those included in this count are in red font.

01/06/2006 – “An American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday … The Americans victim had become of a overval, where the robbers thousand dollars, credit card and the drivers license of the man buitmaakten. The victims were treated brutally with violence and incurred thereby light wounds.”
Amigoe.com 01/06/2006
Posted 9/14/2006 at M&C thread by msmarple, credit BFN

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01/06/2006 – “A report which is circulating in Holland caught Diario’s attention, related to a declaration from the High Command of the police in Utrecht. Among other things, it is mentioned that with suicide cases, it is desired for all these cases, that DNA tests be conducted on the bodies.
“Two unsolved cases were illustrated, in the first instance the victim committed suicide but it resulted later after the test, that this was not the case.”
Diario 01/06/2006
Posted 08/14/2006 at M&C by msmarple; from LCD

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01/12/2006 – Date of message board post: “ … there was a couple mugged outside of our resort while we were there …” They apparently were staying at Mill Inn Resort.
http://tinyurl.com/t6ujk
Posted 11/16/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack

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01/23/2006 – Man found dead on boat near the Marriott.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

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01/23/2006 – From a message board post dated 02/02/2006: “On the third night (still with many of the problems unresolved) the villa was broken into while we were sleeping. The thieves were actually in two of our bedrooms while we were asleep!!! We lost everything that was not in the safe in a different bedroom ... “ They were staying at Villa Alexandra.
http://tinyurl.com/y36nhu
Posted 11/01/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack

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02/12/2006 – Alberto Augusto Peral (Peralta?) apparently killed by a gang.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

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03/20/2006 – The ship Rachel S arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person, Bernard Ramsaran, on board, and a local autopsy determined that the man died of natural causes (heart failure). However, an autopsy conducted in his country of Trinidad - Tobago disclosed that he died of traumatic asphyxia; e.g. strangled and choked. The body had visible marks of violence. As Diario asks, how did Aruba miss this one? (Interpol is investigating as a High Seas case.)
Diario
Posted 8/28/2006 at M&C by msmarple, from Getagrip. Update posted 9/13/2006 by Anna. Also 9/13 by Appeals

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03/??/2006 – American tourist robbed and beaten in an alley in San Nicolas.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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03/??/2006 – Dave Billy Aubert, 20, a local, killed in a hit & run.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose. SM has photos. There were convictions in this case.
Amigoe
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

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04/18/2006 – Raul Croes attacked, killed in a restaurant by a man with a machete.
Solo di Pueblo
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to leslie

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05/23/2006 – Enrique Reynier Loefstop, 51, beaten to death by his(?) son, with a baseball bat. Apparently an altercation over the son’s drug use.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

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06/??/2006 – Igor Richardson killed outside Las Vegas bar, San Nichols.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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06/??/2006 – Man beaten with baseball bat at Malboro Ball Park.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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06/??/2006 – Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.” Could this be the "Baby D" case? Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff? (See 12/16/2006)
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old Colombian man sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred, however this case is not listed in the SM 2005 Summary.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

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06/23/2006 – Unknown, unclothed woman found in trash pile; Bon Dia prints graphic photo of corpse.
Posted 8/13/2006 at M&C by msmarple; update posted 8/14 by msmarple

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06/??/2006 – Male corpse found floating offshore; reportedly a fisherman, wrapped in tarp. No further detail available.
Diario ?
Posted 8/22/2006 at M&C by lexie. Update from Hotshot via msmarple posted 8/29

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06/24/2006 – U.S. tourist “bothered” by “false polis” attempting to exchange sex for a “fine” for an undisclosed, not revealed, offense.
Amigoe
Posted 8/28/2006 at M&C by msmarple, from LCD thread

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Leslie posted on LCD 01/22/2007 (edited):
07/01/2006 - Elvis Zavala-Maduro (Elvis Zara), a Valero employee, in an apartment in San Nicholas.
Bon Dia:
Page 6 - http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Jan/20/A-20-1-07.pdf
and
Page 16 - http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/30/D-30-12-06.pdf


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07/27/2006 – Gang rape and cell phone taping of 16-yr-old girl at school. Tape was uploaded to internet. Girl’s parents not pressing charges; polis make no arrests. Girl was sent to live with relatives on another island.
Diario
Posted 8/14/2006 on LCD by sandy leiva on LCD; to M&C via msmarple

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08/21/2006 –British woman reports attempted rape.
Diario
Posted 8/22/2006 at M&C by SunnyInTx, from Refugees Unleashed (RU)

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08/21/2006 – Local female attacked at her Wayaca home by two men who hold knife to her throat; rob the house; demand to know where the woman’s husband, a polis officer, keeps his gun.
Amigoe
Posted 8/25/2006 at LCD by Sharon; at M&C 8/25 via msmarple

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08/29/2006 – Diario reports the arrest of a man for attacking a female tourist at a restaurant.
Posted 10/17/2006 at M&C thread by msmarple; posted on LCD by SunFreak2 10/16/2006

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09/03/2006 – U.S. tourist with 4 other people including 3 females, was assaulted by the bouncer and 5 patrons at Cafe Bahia. The tourist had 3 ribs broken and his left shoulder was fractured. Tourist says some of the patrons who attacked him were from the Curacao racing team.
Posted 10/16/2006 at M&C thread by 2NJSons_Mom

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09/18/2006 – Diario reports that a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who subsequently required medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer was arrested and fired. The tourist returned home. This may be a follow-up on the 09/03/2006 incident at Café Bahia (above).
Posted 9/14/2006 at M&C thread by msmarple, posted by klaas and Easywriter on LCD 9/18.

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09/??/2006 – Mysterious death at Tanki Leendirt (near “Euro Kitchen”?) of chef/cook of Eagle Hotel. Cause of death unknown.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

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09/??/2006 – Man convicted, sentenced to 24 yrs for killing of Pino Suarez. No indication of when this crime occurred. Suarez may have been one of the unidentified men found dead earlier (see 01/23/2006 and 06/??/2006).
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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09/??/2006 – Pascualito Geerman found dead at Baco Prins. Cause of death not noted.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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10/??/2006 – over 3,000 kilos (over 6,613.8 lbs) of drugs seized.
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

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11/14/2006 – Bon Dia reports death of Igmar Camallo. Polis investigating; cause of death not known; disposition unknown.
Bon Dia
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Nov/14/A-14-11-06.pdf
Posted 11/14/2006 at LCD by leslie;

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11/15/2006 -- A woman lodged a sexual assault complaint against Ramon Lee, Minister of Labour, Sport, and Culture. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stated, “It’s a very sensitive matter and I regret the way everything is now in the media. I also regret the fact that I had to hear the woman cry again telling her story on several radio stations today (Friday, editor).”
Amigoe.com 11/15/2006 and 11/27/2006.
Posted 11/16/2006 and 11/27 M&C by msmarple

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11/16/2006 – “We have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. An Aruban who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible. That says to minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of justice on remarks of Jorge Pesquera, director of Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA).”
This is a rough translation, from a Dutch version of Amigoe.com.
Posted at BFN by PearlinUSA on 11/16/2006

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11/17/2006 – Date of post on SM LCD; a screen shot of a SM Front Page post by an Aruba resident (excerpt):
“Carlos ‘n’ Charlie is the worst place to go. Of course they wait for the girls who are spending their “last night in Aruba” - night. This date raping or gang raping is going on for a long time now. The local victims don’t even go to police, cuz they’re too embarrassed about the situation.”
Brought to M&C thread by dkpen 11/17/2006

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11/24/2006 – Diario reports that Pedro Arthuro Gomez-Torres, 39, was murdered at the Bongo Bar in San Nicholas. He worked at Valero Palm Beach.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/11/24/
Posted by Leslie on M&C thread 11/24/2006

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12/04/2006 – Diario reports that Hoben Mayron Bayne was killed outside of Carlos & Charlies. Occurred during the night of 12/02/2006-12/03/2006.
Posted by Grande at Truth4Natalee (T4N), and by klaas and msmarple on M&C thread 12/04/2006

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12/16/2006 – Diario reports that Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff is accused of killing his four-month-old baby. (He was convicted.)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/16
Posted by msmarple on M&C thread 12/16/2006; subsequent posts by Leslie and Florida on the LCD clarify the man’s name.

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12/27/2006 – Diario reports that the body of Carlos Arturo Moreno Castro (Carlos Moreno) was found on the beach. He was minus an ear. 20 kilos (44 lbs) of cocaine are somehow involved. Polis do suspect foul play.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/
Posted by klaas on M&C thread 12/27/2006.

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12/27/2006 -- Diario reports the apparent suicide of Brigitte Christine Katelaan, 37, a producer for Tele Aruba. Death by hanging.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/27/
Posted by klaas on M&C thread 12/27/2006.


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2005
Note: Note: we believe there were 7 murders that we know of, on Aruba, in 2005. A comparison to U.S. Murder Statistics for the year 2005 is on Page 7 of this thread.

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01/21/2005 – Date of post to a message board. Visitor reports that on first night of stay at Paradise Beach Villas, “we got robbed in our room while we slept.”
http://tinyurl.com/y6jsk6
Posted 10/31/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.

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03/??/2005 - Brazilian man murdered by another Brazilian man. BonDia? No details available now.
Posted 8/16/2006 at LCD by Shizaru; to M&C via msmarple

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04/30/2005 - Fatal shooting (victim “E.F.”) during a party near hotel La Cabana.
Amigoe.com
Posted 8/20/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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05/20/2005 – Tracy Allen (US tourist) assault attempt near Marriott Fisherman’s Huts (Hadacurari Beach). Provided composite sketch to FBI in December 2005 (sketch also provided to Aruba Polis). Ms. Allen told her story on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby on March 12, 2006).
Transcript at Hyscience: http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l
SM has a comparison photo of a local who looks exactly like the sketch –
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy
Posted 8/28/2006 at M&C by msmarple, after mrs. red & san mention on LCD 8/28

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05/30/2005 – Natalee Holloway last seen with 3 locals leaving C&Cs.
On FBI site “Seeking Information” -
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm
 
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05/??/2005 – Visitors who were on Aruba at the same time as Natalee’s class; email to Greta Van Susteren (“On the Record,” Fox News): “We were burglarized while we were sleeping in our bedrooms in Aruba House.” The email also says: “There is one comment that is continually made by Arubian authorities in regard to the low crime rate in Aruba. Could this statistic be due to the record keeping of the same authorities that are also responsible for the current investigation?”
http://tinyurl.com/y6dfwd
Posted 10/31/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.

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05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

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??/??/2005 – U.S. tourist, female, with friends, same week Natalee went missing. Odd incident resembling an attempted kidnapping.
Posted 9/14/2006 at M&C by SunFreak2

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06/10/2005 – Aru-Bay videotapes from afar, the curious incident of rock painting in broad daylight (!) by Visibility Police and Polis. Also captured in this tape is what appears to be the recovery of a body. It is eventually claimed to be that of a 7-yr-old illegal immigrant from Columbia, and also that the body “had been found” a year earlier. Why was he there, not in cemetery? SM has access to the videos, and still shots of this questionable activity.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by msmarple. SunFreak2’s timeline quoted 8/13 at M&C by msmarple

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06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife was charged, convicted.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.
Posted 8/29/2006 at M&C by Appeals

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06/23/2005 – This is the date “Combat Jack” posted about an armed gang robbing several casinos (including one he was in). He was told the next day that Polis caught them and most were killed. (Not sure of the credibility of this story. Also no idea of when the alleged incident occurred, but taken in context, it was before Miss Holloway disappeared.) http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/06/combat_jacks_gu_1.html
Posted 9/10/2006 at M&C by Sharon

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Summer 2005 – Two security guards jumped off building (separate episodes). La Cabana Hotel was the site of one (maybe both) of them. That there are two instances, same occupation, maybe same building, make this suspicious. There were at least two other reported suicides that summer – one “on the beach”, one “30-yr-old woman”.
Posted 8/16/2006 at M&C by Tidycat; and 8/29/2006 by Appeals

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11/04/2005 - Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/04/2005 - Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

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11/22/2005 – Date of post by visitor who rented a house near California Lighthouse. On the second night, the house was broken into with a crowbar and the safe was ripped from the floor. Another poster at the same message board responded that in 2004, a thief ripped the room safe from the wall.
http://tinyurl.com/wbwy4
Posted 10/31/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.


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2004
??/??/2004 – A USAToday story of 6/14/2005 implies there were five homicides in 2004, per Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics. “Police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995.”
Posted 9/11/2006 at M&C by msmarple

And from another  source:
In 2004 ... “There were five  regret deads as a result of violent offences.”

In 2004 ... “Also the cases of suicide have been registered by the Stohd. In 2004, of living have deprived himself eight persons.”
Amigoe.com 07/11/2005, posted at BFN here:
http://tinyurl.com/yb7yry
Posted 11/01/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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??/??/2004 – Dave Holloway stated on Dana Pretzer’s radio show of 10/01/2006, that another girl went missing on Aruba a year before Natalee.
Posted 10/01/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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01/??/2004 – Brian Battjer’s “Ikeepa Diary” web album records his and a friend’s vacation on Aruba 01/2004. The photo journal includes “the attempted abduction of Brian's friend Scott, by a gay local named ‘Ramses’, with local ‘polis chief’ in attendance.” The abduction was foiled by Battjer, who intercepted car w/ unconscious Scott in passenger seat, by running after vehicle and physically accosting Ramses.
Posted 8/30/2006 by the big hammer on LCD with credit to BLEACHEDBLACK; to M&C by msmarple 8/30

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03/26/2004 -- Authorities detain four Dutch marines on drug-smuggling suspicions, sending two back to the Netherlands and keeping two in custody in Aruba.  The four suspects, who have not been identified by name, were low-ranking marines serving in a 200-strong military presence at the Savanega base.
Posted 12/28/2006 by Tyler on M&C

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05/12/2004 – U.S. tourist Max DeVries, 14, traveling with his mother and younger sister (father was recently deceased). Reportedly Max drowned; body never recovered. David Stacey Sr. (56, U.S.) is the older man Max went windsurfing with. Max’s mother was not satisfied with the investigation and was suspicious of Stacey. She started a foundation in Max’s memory to benefit a hospital in their hometown. Meanwhile, some on Aruba claim it was an insurance scam, and/or that the foundation was a fraud, and that Max & his family are living well somewhere in S. America.

Station WXYZ in Detroit did a follow-up story with Max’s mother in the aftermath of the Natalee Holloway story; it was at this link, but is no longer available: http://tinyurl.com/hst9o That story IS available at the top of Page 6 of this Murder & Crime thread; posted by SunFreak2.
Family’s web site (some information is obsolete): http://www.maxtothemillions.com

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07/30/2004 – Security Guard suicide.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/+-580.html
Posted 8/29/2006 at M&C by Appeals


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2003
??/??/2003 – U.S. tourist from North Shore Boston told a local TV station that on her last night on Aruba in 2003, a local man "… took me to … Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me." Reported to Aruba Polis; no result.
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic


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2002
01/29/2002 – U.S. tourist Gary Makings disappeared. Last seen when he left to go snorkeling. Was staying at the Arubahouse.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic


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2001
01/22/2001 – On third night of nine or ten day visit, at Villa Alexandra; thieves broke into “two of our bedrooms while we were asleep.”
http://tinyurl.com/y36nhu
Posted 10/31/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.

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03/09/2001 – Bulgarian Poli Pantev shot in an elevator at Sonesta Hotel; shooting captured on security camera. Appeared to be drug-related. http://tinyurl.com/khue2
Posted 8/24/2006 at M&C by msmarple. Updates 8/25 by msmarple. Also by Appeals 9/14 and SunFreak2 9/14

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03/17/2001 – Begin date of visit; message board post states: “Armed bank robbery at the Aruba bank near the high-rise hotels on Palm Beach. One of the bank tellers was actually killed. They arrested 20 or so people but didn't get all of them.”
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip256.html
Posted 11/02/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.

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12/24/2001 – U.S. tourist “Marie” from Boston was dragged into a car as she was leaving Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s; the car drove away from the area and she was raped.
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic


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2000
??/??/2000 - Registered deaths due to suicide in 2000: 6; due to homicide, 0. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by ldstlou

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??/??/2000 – “Five years ago a childhood friend of my husband was murdered in Aruba, a screwdriver was the weapon. As far as I know the murder was never solved, we were told it was drug related and the murderer was a local boy so the government did not do much of an investigation.” -- Ann Graham, Houston, TX (posted in 2005 to a message board; see http://tinyurl.com/mgrqx)
Posted 9/04/2006 at M&C by yapperz1


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1999
??/??/1999 – Registered deaths due to suicide in 1999: 2; due to homicide, 3. (Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis - Core Health Data Initiative - Dept. of Public Health, Epidemiology & Research).
http://www.ops-oms.org.ve/site/aruba/aru-core-data_1999.htm
Posted 8/28/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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06/09/1999 – U.S. tourist Willard “Bud” Larson disappeared after a dispute at the Windsurf Village Board Shop.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic


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1998
02/06/1998 – Italian boy Gianni Ferrara was kidnapped from Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Through Venezuelan efforts, the boy was forcibly freed on 04/22/1998; 38 people were arrested.
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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03/24/1998 – U.S. tourist Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from cruise ship just after dawn, while docked at Curacao. According to her parents, crew members had tried to get her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Aruba, on the night before she vanished.  
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic. Updated 9/14 by msmarple


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1997
04/??/1997 – Date of message board post. Couple visited Aruba for one month. Just before their arrival (in February), a shop apparently within the Marriott (“Colombian Emeralds”?) was robbed by men with machine guns. Further, there was an attempted “hit” on someone, but the gunman shot the wrong person. Finally, the visiting couple was robbed of miscellaneous items from their beach bag.
http://www.caribtravelnews.com/c0497_02.htm
Posted 11/02/2006 at M&C by bleachedblack.


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1996
???/??/1996 – U.S. female tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic

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08/24/1996 – Richard Henriquez last seen on Aruba. He was being treated for a nervous condition at a local facility. Possibly in South America.
htthttp://p://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted 9/16/2006 at M&C by msmarple

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??/??/1996 – U.S. couple traveling with four friends - the two of them were drugged and taken from the hotel casino. Husband was locked in a back room of The Rio Grande. Wife was taken “out to the desert” and raped and beaten. The group was staying at Holiday Inn. Reported to Polis, but no results.
Posted 8/27/2006 at M&C by yapperz1, link to Free Republic


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1987 – 1993
One female in the 15-24 age range was murdered. Pan American Health Organization Special Program for Health Analysis Core Health Data Initiative
http://www.paho.org/English/SHA/prflaru.htm
Posted 8/28/2006 at M&C by msmarple


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Geeze!  I just meant let the page fill up naturally!  I certainly didn't mean for all those duplicate posts to be made just to fill it.

And why the  :? ?  If someone follows a link to the summary and starts out on a page that does not say Summary at the top, they may well think they are on the wrong page.  How is anybody supposed to know to scroll down until they find it?  It is difficult enough to find without someone having to scroll down the page looking for the beginning of it.

But I certainly didn't mean any heroic efforts or a lot of very long, duplicate posts needed to be made because the Summary could have been posted when the page just filled normally.

There is not time constraint that required this be posted before the page was filled.

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msmarple wrote:
Hi Monkeys!

I am just about to post the updated Summary of the Murder & Crime thread. I will post it HERE first! Then klaas and I will scramble around to do some edits to sig lines, page references, etc. and I'll put it on the M&C thread.

In case anyone missed this memo, there were 13 murders on Aruba in 2006 - that we know of.

I have to share a tip about maintaining a long, heavily coded post. Before I click the Submit button, I copy and paste the post into Word, complete with all the coding. So I don't have to re-do all that coding every time we update.

klaas - I have a request to put the Summary at the top of a page if possible.  Is the only way to do that, to just post post post < x > times until there are 20 posts on Page 15? And if I do that, it means that the Summary will be on page 16. Of the M&C thread, of course.

Hope that makes sense?


Let me look
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Yes, there certainly is!  You just wait until the page fills up on its own naturally with posts and they start the next page with the Summary.

Anna

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2007, 11:32:11 PM
The links that say summary, should all take them to the top of page 16 now.  Sorry about the duplicates but I did try to add information that wasn't currently here in a few of them.  Just doing what msmarples asked.  :oops:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2007, 02:06:56 AM
Well, I can't believe the amount of detail MsMarple has in the Summary!  And I think it is too difficult to do like that again.  We need to think of a better way that is easier because that must be dreadful to cross-reference and check each and every crime to be sure it is not listed twice.  Then it is color-coded and she even gives accreditation to the poster, not just the newspaper reporting it.

Yes, I do think it important to have the Summary at the top of a page.  The last one wasn't and even I thought I was on the wrong page because there were just regular posts at the top.  And I am used to the forum.  I just want it right there when they click on the link, right at the top of the page.

I want to show off MsMarples hard work.  It would also be better if somebody wanted to print it not to have other posts on the page before it.  

Something tells me this is going to be a much viewed and sent and linked and printed item.  Just wait and see.  Watch the number of views just go off the chart when we get the notices that the new one is up.   :wink:

Thirteen murders is three times the rate for the U.S. per capita.  Recently there were eight in New Orleans but think that is a city of two million metro area and yet they want more National Guards to quell the problem.  

And personally, I think the suicides would discourage tourism as much as the murders for doesn't sound like a very Happy Island at all.  Would be a morbid place to spend a vacation with so many in such despair.  There were an abnormal amount of young people listed in the obituaries for the year 2005.  Would like to know the causes of their deaths.  Too bad the papers are in Papiamento.  The things we could find out if only they had an English translation!

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 10, 2007, 03:31:23 PM
A Front Page poster “Crioyo” posted some interesting comments under the FP story about the teen stabbings. Here are some excerpts --

63. Crioyo wrote:

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I think the drugtrade is handled mostly by colombians and other types of locals, not associated with this gang. For example Bulldog if I’m not mistaken was drugrelated. Or a few days around christmas, the body they found floating at Andicuri beach, a day after they seized kilo’s of drugs at that beach…(that’s how they try to do it now that the airport security is tight, drop drugs in the water at the northside so they float to shore where someone picks it up).. That’s how drugproblems are taken care of on the island. Swiftly. Always shady people nobody knows about, found executed. (and no doesn’t happen all the time)

Back to the issue
These are kids gotten out of hand, what used to be random fighting has elevated into people carrying knives and guns and I hold Marisol and the previous ministers responsible for not tackling it from the beginning.

Also fighting has recently become a popular sport. Ultimate fighting competitions, last man standing etc are all the rage. And sometimes things get out of hand, the young guy who got beaten to death 3 weeks ago in the Carlos and Charlies veranda for example, the guy who did it was a fighter. They had just come to the club after a fighting competition.

I think you can youtube ‘’last man standing aruba'’.


70. Crioyo wrote:

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Drunk driving is the leading cause of death among youngsters in Aruba if you ask me. I have many many friends
and know many people who’ve been involved in such accidents.

I heard today (discussing this with friends) there’s an SB gang, a PC gang etc etc. I guess people think it’s cool to call their ‘’band of brothers'’ a gang. CW is also a wannabe gang for example. (Sabana Basora, Pos Chiquito, Congo Weg)

Now that carnaval season has begun all these youths with beefs are going to be on the street looking for eachother. Met a few at the gym. Sad sad.

But I’ll do my part when I return to Aruba in years to come and I think things will look up when the current generation of politicians has gone and been replaced. In 21 years since status aparte we’ve had, 2 prime ministers. Very frustrating. Democratically elected losers. Who can protect the people from themselves? They stick a big banner in your yard and pay you for it and then people go and vote for them. They paint your car, they buy you a fridge, they give you a job and fire whoever the previous party hired when they were in office and if you haven’t got the money to do these things, you get no votes. That’s why the same politicians get elected over and over again and the new parties barely get a seat. That’s how mep gets a 11 seat majority. They had a 12 seat majority in the previous 4 years also. Parties like Aliansa who want to campaign without bribing people, get 0, zilch, nada, rien, niks.

Minister Ramon Lee raped a woman. Member or parlament Robert Maduro hit someone with his car and kept driving. A mysterious Candelario Wever arrested in Venezuela with 3,5 kilo cocaine, out on 250,000 dollar bail…etc etc etc.

How lucky for those in power that people don’t think. - Adolf Hitler

Anyways. I’m out for the night.


71. Crioyo wrote:
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The first hanging was a producer at Tele Aruba.
She was dutch, spoke dutch, ahs a daughter in NL. She was greatly responsible for the Sparkling Tour event where you could go and sing and win 34,000 florin. Kinda like Idols.

I heard from participants that she was very annoying, very bitter etc etc.

The recent hanging is cameraman for ATV..
Don’t know anything about him.

Other than them being possible lovers I have no theories.

Nobody’s talking about it either, no gossip or anything.

And no I don’t think they were murders..
p.s.

Look at the Volkswagen guy who drives the crazy van. His father killed himself too a few years back.


78. Crioyo wrote:

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this is the first i hear about the site..
no idea. haven’t heard anything. Alex Mathew (fighter?) is known to be pretty agressive and got himself in jail after commiting ‘’multiple beatings'’ over a period of time. Then he was in jail I guess the guards and him got in a row and hit him too hard. Something like that. Haven’t heard about him in years. Nice initiative.

{the part below is more about Lorenzo ... }

He does. Well if that’s his name, then yes.
Last summer I saw him in his van driving behind me for a few moments then he turned left while I drove straight ahead @ CMB Bank in Oranjestad.
Never seen him since. The same ugly colored van sm has a picture of and yes his face is just as blurry through your rear view mirror as on the sm pic. Though i’ve never ever seen that van on the property in Savaneta where he’s supposed to live. Guess he never ever leaves it outside the closed garage?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2007, 07:20:13 PM
Interesting that Rudy Croes is on the radio saying that any Arubans posting on the internet are traitors, etc.  Gang mentality of his own.  What an utterly depraved statement for a high-ranking public official to make!  I guess Arubans do not have true freedom of speech to go along with all their other problems.  The real traitors are those officials themselves who could have prevented this entire debacle but chose instead to obey the wishes or orders of their friend Paulus van der Sloot and chose to lay cover and groundwork for his son by their failure to preform anything even close to a minimal routine investigation of this disappearance.

Well, they had pulled off the bogus farce that Max DeVries was an insurance scam when in reality that is a total fabrication and lie on the part of whatever officials put forth that misinformation.  That is yet another American mother who deserved to know what happened to her son and instead was lied about and smeared by Arubans who must think we are all colossally stupid.  They are very quick to slander and smear Americans in general but especially those who are victims of crime in what I suppose is some sort of lame attempt to discredit them.

Lorenzo vR is not a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and I have never so much as heard any member of ALE speak his name.  Art Woods does contend that Chief Roy Tromp asked him to watch a certain residence which he did to no avail.  Nothing out of the ordinary to report which makes me tend to wonder if it was the typical wild goose chase, snipe hunt or whatever the Aruban version of that might be, just something to keep him busy and out of the way, knowing full well that this person had no involvement in Natalee's disappearance.

We do not even know if that is LVR in the gaudy van as that information was given by a third party.  Perhaps that is not even him in that photo is the reason the van is never seen at his house.  It certainly would not be in line with his very normal, conservative appearance.

There is absolutely nothing at all to connect this person with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway of which I am aware.  Questions as to his connection to Paulus van der Sloot are purely speculative and possibly based on vicious gossip.  We do not even know if he was truly questioned in the beginning as nothing to that effect has ever surfaced.

I could well be wrong but until I see something linking this person to this disappearance I must conclude he has nothing at all to do with it.  I do hope all will respect his privacy and refrain from wild speculation until and unless there is a connection made.  Having recently endured the death of his father and being an obviously very private person, I do hope that all the accusations and suspicions and aspersions cast on this person are justified at some point in time for otherwise it leaves us looking very badly and more than a little cruel.  I'm sure that was a part of the original intention in supplying us with false information as well.  I feel very badly for this young man and do hope he is not aware of the accusations leveled at him by those so quick to believe every rumor out of the Bon Dia rumor mill.  I also wonder what Julia has against Astrid, his mother, but think that more likely than his involvement.

I think all the protection by locals is an attempt to protect him from the likes of us who would attempt to involve this person, guilty or not, based on mere rumor and misinformation supplied by certain of those living in Aruba who have the agenda of casting attention away for those known last to be with Natalee.  I don't want those giving us false information to succeed in this regard but as far as Lorenzo is concerned, I fear that they have done just that.

JMO.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2007, 07:28:59 PM
Crioyo needs to read the informative Summary MsMarple just posted as very few of these things seem even remotely connected to gang activity.  Most happen right in the tourist district or in bars and restaurants frequented by tourists and we have left out local robberies for the most part focusing only on those committed against tourists complete with room invasions and all the rest.

There is no way we could cover all the local crime and have only delved into the surface of that when it resulted in murder or was particularly violent or barbaric as in the death of PitBull (whom Crioyo refers to as BullDog  :D ) and there is some connection with the tourist district.

Yes, there is likely a tremendous amount of gang-related crime just as he says but there is also crime against and around and among tourists, unfortunately, and it is that on which we focus only.  I shudder to think of the document required to cover all the crime on the entire island. We have our hands full with just the murders and violent acts.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 11, 2007, 05:55:58 AM
Re. Crioyo's posts - here are the points I found particularly interesting:

Method of night drug dropoffs in water - wash up on beach for recovery --
* Definitely need to stay off the beach at night. No moonlight walks.
* Possible explanation of corpses found on beach. The Christmas season body (minus ear) was found the day after the cops seized 20 kilos (44 lbs) of cocaine. This is how the drugs were "somehow involved" in that recovery - same spot. (We had wondered "where the drugs were" ... )

Fight games/Last Man Standing "sport" --
Clearly these can spill over into bars and other locations frequented by tourists. He mentions C&C's specifically. I wonder about the Bahai murder as well. Maybe even the two teens stabbed in the Carnaval procession.

All of the below --
* Minister Ramon Lee raped a woman. (I did not know the specific nature of the "sexual assault" she accused him of.)
* Member or parliment Robert Maduro hit someone with his car and kept driving. (News to me - unless it's the Hit & Run fatality we listed.)
* A mysterious Candelario Wever arrested in Venezuela with 3,5 kilo cocaine, out on 250,000 dollar bail. (I saw the story about this person but could not translate the specifics. I think Booshi Wever also was mentioned; need to look that up.) We have seen that name "Candelario" before; also need to research that one.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 11, 2007, 01:31:22 PM
I hope this will put the Max DeVries "insurance scam/foundation fraud" story to bed.

It took one phone call, you shameful people - is that so hard?

Thanks to Kat_Gram.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:32 pm on LCD  
 
msmarple wrote:
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Okay, here you are. Part of the challenge is going to be find out who to talk to.

Also, SunFreak2 posted on *I think* Page 6 of the Murder & Crime thread, an article from a Detroit TV station about Max. This was done AFTER Natalee disappeared, a local "tie in with Aruba" thing. It would be good if you read it, if you don't remember much about Max. The "Short Version" of the story is part of the M&C Summary; you can get to that from my sig line.

Some Aruba folks to this day are still saying that the whole thing was an insurance scam and/or that the mom's (University of Michigan Hospital) Foundation is a fraud. They have said that they family was living large in S America, that the guy he was last seen with was the mom's boyfriend, and that they even had to "bring back Max from <Brazil or wherever> to avoid prosecution. I don't believe any of that.

The article SF posted at M&C mentions that mom was not satisfied with Aruba's investigation; she hired a PI of her own. (Which is probably what got the Aruba spin machine going.) The man who took Max Jet Skiing (or whatever it was) was an American.

It is true that her foundation may be obsolete by now, but at the time I believe it was an honest effort. There was a great outpouring of sympathy in their hometown, which I think is/was Brighton, Michigan. Max reportedly drowned in May 2004. For about six months the family and friends did some "Max to the Millions" fund-raising. The beneficiary was the University of Michigan Hospital, Mott Children's Hospital, and specifically Holden Perinatal (neonatal?) Intensive Care Unit.

Max had a younger sister who was born very premature and spent a lot of time in ICU; that was the reason for selecting that. His mom wanted a living memorial, and a way that his baby sister will always remember.

Here is that site: http://www.maxtothemillions.com/index.html

Here's what I found on the internet in the way of phone numbers; good luck.

University of Michigan Mott Children's Hospital, main #: 734-936-4000.

UofM Holden Perinatal ICU: 734-763-4111.

UofM Medical Development & Alumni Assn.: 734-998-7705. Best as I can tell, this is where donations, foundations, etc., are handled.

What I want to know is whether any donations ever were received in honor/memory of Max Devries. Amount (total) would be good. Date of last donation would be good.

Finally, there is a "Max to the Millions" web site. Much of the information (events etc.) is obsolete. However, the following is the information for making direct donations, and I would like to know if this is still viable information:

Checks Made Out to: Uof M Mott Children's/Holden NNICU
Check Memo Line Include: Max to the Millions
Address: 301 East Liberty , Suite 300
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2251
Attn: Tammi Carr, Development Officer

I have not been able to find a phone number that goes with that address, but it certainly sounds to be in the UofM Hospital complex.

Thank you so much. Anna & I are about ready to start a thread on this topic (Max DeVries), and also trying to figure out if there is any connection between this family and the Dutch TV investigation guy - Peter? Not sure if names are spelled the same.

Just getting tired of hearing yet another innocent family dragged through the mud. And I am reasonably certain they are innocent. For one thing, I doubt that the Detroit TV station would have done the story with Mrs. DeVries in 2005 if she were under a cloud of suspicion.

Thanks again.


Kat_Gram wrote:
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You will LIKE this!
I called the U of M. 1-734-647-6000
They thought I wanted to make a donation.
Well, becasue I told them that I had seen the website and wanted to know if the information posted was still current.
I was transfered directly to Ms. Tammi Carr.
YES, it is a viable foundation.
They do get cheques in from the family.
Every few months after they have an event. YES, money has been raised and it does go to the Neo Natal Care unit as posted above.
Ms. Carr is very grateful for the donations received in Max's name.
They are now in Suite 400 as they moved.

Max's mumma's name Yvonne and they live in Brighton.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 11, 2007, 03:02:55 PM
Uh - of course by "shameful people" I'm talking about those who have dragged the DeVrie family through the mud for as long as we've been here.

Amoral.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 12, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
A poster from Aruba, prominent photographer and writer for a local paper there, insisted that the Aruban government had sued the family of Max Devries in court and won if you can imagine such slander!

Nothing of the sort happened and it is the other way around.  She should be suing them for their failure to look for her son or his remains in anything like a timely and widespread manner.

And they have never apologized for accusing her of some sort of insurance scam either until this day.  This is very unkind and just unacceptable.  Certainly not a way to treat the mother of a victim of a crime or even an accidental drowning.  

Insurance companies have clearing houses and it is not as though a person can have some sort of secret policy for they are a matter of record.  While not public record, they are available to all who have a reason to see them such as law enforcement and other insurance companies and insurance brokers, etc.  They are somewhat monitored for suspicious activity.  Taking our several large policies on a child would certainly send up red flags and warrant some sort of investigation.

This mother I am sure rues the day she allowed her son to go out on the jet skis with a man she met at her hotel in Aruba.  To never see that son again and never know what happened to him has to be one of the most devastating things for a parent to endure.  What happened to Max DeVries that day remains a mystery that will likely never be even properly addresses because of these false and horrendous accusation of insurance scam that never existed, only in the dirty minds of some officials who seem to always want to blame the victim in Aruba.

It has created a precedent and was tried once again on the parents of Natalee Holloway.  This time, they chose to fight back.  

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 12, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
Posted by klaas in LCD 01/12/2007:

Translation of a Diario article by Crioyo on the front page of SM:
Diario 01/09/2007:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/9/

He reportedly paid 250 thousand dollars for his liberty in Venezuela.

CANDELARIO WEVER CAUGHT WITH 3 AND A HALF KILO’S OF COCAINE AND 250 THOUSAND DOLLARS.


ORANJESTAD (AAN) — For a few months now there have been strong rumors circulating that a person from Aruba would have been arrested in the exterior / a foreign country where he would have been found with lots of thousands of dollars and also a few kilo’s of an illegal substance, drugs.

Because this information kept circulating and ‘’persisting'’ and there was a lot of speculation regarding who would be involved, some figuring out and investigations had to have been done to find out in which country of the region the Aruban in question had been detained and what he had in his possesion that got him in trouble with the law.

After a few months a name began circulating and that’s also why questions were asked regarding a certain Candelario Wever of Aruba who would’ve been involved.

This is about a Candelario Wever who had been caught with a few hundred thousands dollars and a few kilo’s of cocaine, but how many Candelario Wever’s are there on Aruba and who was this Candelario Wever who supposedly works as an adviser or assistant at a certain government department?

After intense investigation, foreign documents arrived on which reads a serious case of bribery in which this Candelario Wever of Aruba was involved.

Like the readers can read today on these foreign documents, it is apparent on October 15th 2006 in Venezuela, two police officers caught three people, Macho, Hector and a Candelario Wever whom were in possesion of 3 and a half kilo’s of cocaine.

According to these documents, the Candelario Wever of Dutch nationality, identified himself with documents, as Assistant Adviser of the Minister of Health in Aruba (in this document it says ‘’Araba'’ but this must be ‘’Aruba'’).

The two other persons would’ve remained in custody while the Candelario Wever would have managed to free himself with 250,000 Dollars!!!

A criminal investigation is reportedly being done against the two police officers in Venezuela for accusations of bribery, violation of rules of the deparment of justice and also they are reportedly under investigation for extortion.

This is a very serious case and the moment has come when light must be shed on who this certain Candelario Wever is who has identified himself in Venezuela as Assistant Adviser of the Minister of Health of Aruba, when he was caught together with the other two persons with three and a half kilo’s of cocaine and 250,000 dollars.

In Aruba everybody knows a Candelario Wever, whom is Booshi Wever, but as minister and not as any kind of assistand to the Ministry of Health and that’s also why this deal must be clarified, whether there are people misusing names of government employees or officials of Aruba and so putting both the government of Aruba as the minister in charge of the ministry of health in a negative light.

Because the case took place in a country outside the kingdom of the netherlands where a dutch citizen was detained related to three and a half kilo’s of cocaine and also 250,000 US dollars, the department of external relations of The Netherlands will have to do an investigation to figure out whom this Dutchman carrying the name Candelario Wever is and how he could’ve gotten his liberty with 250,000 dollars and where this money could’ve come from.

It is not known whether authorities in Venezuela alerted Dutch Authorities about this case or if they are going to seek the arrest of this Candelario Wever, who presented himself as a government official of Aruba, via Interpol.

(end of article)

msmarple notes:

3.5 kilos = 7.7 lbs. And the article is talking about $250,000 US dollars.

Thanks to Crioyo for the translation.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2007, 03:15:19 PM
They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.  I hope this is not duplicate information but I do find it very interesting.

This Thread was begun in August, 2006, and in October, 2006, the following appeared on one of the most popular Aurban posting forums:

Article Posted:

Monday, October 16th, 2006, 03:57 PM  
 sherry  
Mild Mannered Meek Moderator   Join Date: April 15th, 2004
Location: maryland
Posts: 4,339

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=5419
 
 
 Aruba Needs Your Help!!

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hi everyone,

we have a bit of a problem that needs your help. as we all know, petty crime has been on the increase in aruba. we can do something about this but not without your help.

the obvious help is protect your belongings. don't be foolish tourists and leave items for other tourists and local criminals to take. remember, although aruba is safer than just about anywhere in our own country, petty crime does exist.

then there is the less obvious help. as requested by the powers that be, we are compiling a list of any crimes that you have witnessed or been the victims of. I don't mean the stupid kid trying to sell you a joint. I mean vandalism, petty theft, and any categories I am missing that have occurred since the first of this year. we want as many details as you remember. location, action, were police called, did they respond in a timely manner, and anything else that you can think of.

We are working closely with the authorities to maintain a safe Aruba as it has always been and continues to be relative to most places. We can be that much more effective at this with your feedback! We would like you to send an email to us with the aforementioned details. if you are uncomfortable sending it to people you don't know, you are welcome to pm me.

i will sticky this post and close this thread so that all replies can be sent to us.

thanks!!!!
__________________
all my life's a circle


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 14, 2007, 09:22:44 AM
Diario has a front page story on a big cocaine bust and mentions the address as Hubadastraat in Oranjestad.  I see from one of the pictures that the house number is "21".  I searched for Hubadastraat in the Aruba Phone book:
http://arubian.net/cgi-bin/data.cgi
and found some of the neighbours of this drug house
Debbie-doo Speelschool  - 26    Hubadastraat
Carussel Speelschool      - 16-b Hubadastraat
Both are pre-schools.
Diario:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/13/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 14, 2007, 08:39:58 PM
sandy leiva posted this on LCD thread 01/13/2007; Leslie's story from above:

Team di polis anti droga a score formalmente….

BANDA GRANDI DI DROGA DESMANTELA DURANTE MARDUGA

Droga, placa, y nuebe detencion den accion relampago…

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Awe DIARIO ta cuminsa na felicita henter e team di polis cu a desmantela henter un banda di droga den oranan di marduga.
Un caso cu henter e team di Seccion Crimen Organiza a investiga hunto cu e departamento di inteligencia pa algun siman caba unda no ta descarta cu e paki di droga haya algun siman pasa y tambe e curpa sin bida haya na Andicuri por tin algo di haber cu e caso di awe marduga.
DIARIO su reporteronan a sigui tambe cu henter e investigacion y subi caya tambe marduga pa asina forma parti di e accion cu a tuma lugar.

Un total di dos bulto grandi di cocaina a keda confisca pa agentenan camufla y fuertemente arma cu for di trempan tabata scondi mey mey di e barancanan na costa panort di Aruba.

E bultonan a ser haya pariba di Natural Bridge y na momento di detencion di e Venezolano a haya solamente un di e bultonan, pero despues mainta a listra te merdia y a bolbe haya un bulto grandi mas.
Ademas di e detencion canto di lama tabata tin razia na varios cas.
E team anti droga reforza pa mas colega policial tabata backup e team di aresto cu a drenta na diferente cas y asina detene esnan den cas cu ainda tabata durmiendo.
Na Boegoeroei a pone man riba tres homber y un muher como sospechoso, na San Barbola autoridadnan a detene un conocido di nan cu ta doño di un lugar di laba auto.
Na un cas den Hubadastraat na Companashi tambe tin detencionnan cu a cay unda aki tambe tabata tin conocidonan di polis deteni como sospechoso.
Practicamente na tur e casnan cu autoridadnan a bishita a haya droga scondi y tambe sumanan di placa considerable.
E investigacion lo bay siguii caminda lo interoga tur e sospechosonan pa mira kico nan rol ta den henter e investigacion cu seccion crimen organiza ta hacienda pa varios dia caba.

DIARIO ta gradici tambe e miembronan di cuerpo policial y e team anti droga pa e bon coperacion cu nos a haya den e accion aki pa asina awe DIARIO den forma exclusivo por tin imagenan di e caso grandi aki.
<end>

Translation - Summary:
very large drug bust leads to 2 suitcases full of cocaine , a dead body also found early yesterday mornong they believe has something to do with the drugs and multiple homes staked out overnight resulting in apprehension of two suspected dealers one a venezuelan the other unnamed but dragged out of his home in the middle of the night. More forthcoming on the investigation. No mention who the dead person was. <snip>


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2007, 02:19:18 AM
MsMarple,
Is this two or three already for 2007?  Plus the two very public suicides by hanging.  Things sound extremely grim in this new year on what bills itself as a happy place.

Thanks again to Sandie for the translation.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2007, 02:07:09 PM
Posted 1/15/2007

Just posted by Crioyo on the front page of SM:

Another suicide this morning. Tow truck driver, last name wessels. Gassed himself with car exhaust I think..
Found today. They say he was prob lonely, and his wife btw
killed herself a couple years ago by drinking poison, according to what they said on the news.

So you see Monkeys, Arubans are sad..The boycott will probably get more of us depressed and killed.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 15, 2007, 06:55:15 PM
klaas - thanks for bringing Crioyo's FP post here.

Anna - Actually, I think the dead body found in connection with the drug bust is the first (assuming that doesn't turn out to be "natural causes").

You probably are thinking of the two teens stabbed during the Carnaval procession. I haven't seen a follow-up on that; they were both in critical condition per Diario 01/13/2007.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2007, 05:25:47 PM
Actually I was thinking the previous drug bust, the man who was first reported as having a missing ear was the first one for this year.  I am easily confused.

Also I think the one involved in the stand off with police should be listed as I believe that is also a crime even though he did not harm any others.  Many times those with that frame of mind will in fact take hostages.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2007, 05:31:38 PM
Meant to add to the above post that the date on that murder is 12/27/2006 so is not in 2007 but 2006 as stated indirectly by MsMarple.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 20, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
Posts on LCD 01/20/2007 (emphasis added here is mine):

Leslie wrote:
Quote
From Diario:
Recherchenan ta buscando e malhechornan HOBEN ARUBANO A WORDE ASESINA NA HULANDA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recientemente y cu tristeza familiares di Gregory Kelly mihor conoci como Manolo a ricibi e tristo informe cu nan ser keri a worde seriamente herida y autoridad ta tema pa su bida.
Pero mas despues a sigui otro informe cu Gregory a fayece ya cu no por a haci nada mas pe. Informe for di Hulanda ta indica cu Gregory tabata den compani adi un amigo y aparentemente algun homber cara na mascara a asalta nan.
Un di e hombernan a dispara for di un arma di candela cu e consecuencia fatal. Parce cu Gregory hunto cu su companero di trabao nan lo ta cerando e casino y aparentemente nan a worde sorprendi pa e trio cu cara cubri.
Polis Hulandes no kier a duna mas detaye di e caso ya cu esaki ta den pleno investigacion. Tin un team di Recherche ta trahando riba e caso serio y lamentable aki.
A puntra pa e otro compañero con a para cune, tampoco no por a suministra dato debi na e investigacion.
Mientras tanto Gregory di 33 aña, Dialuna venidero lo worde dera den oranan di mainta na Hulanda mes.
Na familiars di e fayecido Diario ta extende palabranan di profundo condolencia na su sernan keri tanto na Hulanda y Aruba .


klaas wrote:
Quote
From the Pap Translator:

recherchenan is buscando the malhechornan young aruban owing to worde asesina at the netherlands

oranjestad (aan): recientemente y cu tristeza familiares of gregory kelly mihor conoci because; manolo owing to ricibi the tristo informe cu they being keri owing to worde seriamente injury y autoridad is exercise for his life. but more after owing to follow another informe cu gregory owing to fayece already cu not can owing to haci nothing more pe. informe for of the netherlands is indica cu gregory was in compani adi one amigo y apparently some man cara at mascara owing to asalta they. one of the hombernan owing to dispara for of one arm of candela cu the consecuencia fateful. seems cu gregory together cu his companero of trabao they will is cerando the casino y apparently they owing to worde sorprendi for her trio cu cara cubri. police dutch does not owing to give more detaye of the caso already cu this is in pleno investigacion. have one team of recherche is trahando on the caso earnest y lamentable here. owing to ask about for her another compañero con owing to stop cune, niether not can owing to suministra dato debi at the investigacion. all the time gregory of 33 year, monday venidero will worde bury in oranan of morning at the netherlands self. at familiars of the fayecido daily paper is extende words of deep condolencia at his sernan keri tanto at the netherlands y aruba come across. come across


And then klaas explained:
Quote
Elvis Kelly and his wife Gladys were at the casino the same night Joran and Natalee were. It's in Andre dos Santos statement.

Elvis Kelly is related to Gregorio Kelly. Gregorio Kelly was just murdered in the Netherlands. It appears it happened at a casino.


Hoping for a better translation. Need to watch, to determine whether this murder had anything to do with something on Aruba.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2007, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Solo di Pueblo  January 16, 2007
Front page story and pictures of the tow truck driver's suicide.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/TowTruckDriver.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 21, 2007, 10:25:13 AM
Another murder in 2006:
Elvis Zavala-Maduro on July 1, 2006 in an apt. in San Nicholas
Bondia:  Page 6
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Jan/20/A-20-1-07.pdf


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on January 21, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
The death of the man Elvis Zavala is on page 16:
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/30/D-30-12-06.pdf
where he is called Elvis Zara - an employee of Valero


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 21, 2007, 01:09:08 PM
Oh, my - thank you Leslie. I saw that story in the Year End Review but didn't pick up that it was deemed a murder.

I'll see if klaas can edit our summary.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 21, 2007, 11:08:20 PM
MsMarple,
To what does this now bring out total in the murder count?  I think thirteen but was not clear if the infant death had been included in the total or not as yet.

Twelve or thirteen would still be near three times the per capita rate of the U.S., a country that readily admits to a high crime rate and urges all to take every precaution.

With our limited skills in translating from Papiamento, it is far more likely that we would miss a few murders and crimes than to add more than actually happened.

I am still hoping Klaas will again verify the official count that she was able to find last year in the public library in Aruba.  Not sure how she did that and it is likely they do not have their total posted as yet but as soon as it is, I would like to know so that we can compare our own count with it.  For 2005, the total matched so I do hope that the same happens with 2006 and we are once again validated as accurate.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on January 22, 2007, 12:06:08 AM
Author: Wade (---.252.96.224.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net)
Date:   05-03-05 14:41

My wife and I just returned this Sun. from Aruba. We are repeat visitors and have never had any problems with theft on the island until this Sat. While I was snorkling at Malmok Beach, someone Got into my snorkle bag hidden in the rocks and took the car key ( left my wife's snorkle equip.) and stole the rental car. My wallet,cash, credit cards, driv. lic ect were locked up in the trunk. We purchase all additional ins.offered to us from Budget but they state we declined Theft ins. Bottom line... It was never offered to us, we are responsible for the cost of the car until it is located. BE CAREFUL- WEAR YOUR CAR KEY AROUND YOUR NECK OR WRIST AS THE POLICE LATER ADVISED US!!. Is there anybody with a similar incident that can give me some advice. I have nobody to represent me when they find the car and return it to Budget. The car was in pretty bad shape when it was given to us but I did video tape the car before we took it. Anybody seen a White Toyota Yaris Lic plate # V- 3631???We love Aruba and will return next year but this is a huge problem that the police call JOY RIDING.Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

http://tinyurl.com/yruqfd

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The best Steak I have ever had. My wife and I were on our Honeymoon and loved it. To anyone working at the restaurant, we had our wallet and camera bag stolen in Aruba and kept some momentos from your restaurant. They consisted of two coasters, and two bull pins that came in the steaks, if you could send us any of those, we would appreciate it and put them in a scrapbook. I will be glad to pay for any fees involving the shipment. Thanks a million, I will leave my email address.
Steve R
rose0034@comcast.net
08 Jul 2005
18:01:58

http://tinyurl.com/yvs983


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 22, 2007, 03:12:30 PM
Interresting older court case:
http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC/National/SandBar/4.4aruba.htm

Aruba Resort Has Duty to Warn

Lienhart v. Caribbean Hospitality Servs., Inc., 426 F.3d 1337 (11th Cir. 2005).

Lynda Lancaster, J.D.

In a recent liability case, the Eleventh Circuit held that the Aruba Grand Beach Resort & Casino (Aruba Grand) has the responsibility to warn guests about trucks and boat trailers crossing the beach.

Background
On May 9, 1998, while vacationing at the Aruba Grand, Janice Lienhart was struck by a pickup truck and boat trailer operated by Unique Sports of Aruba (Unique Sports) while asleep on the beach in front of the Aruba Grand. Lienhart suffered extensive injuries to her face, chest, neck, and arm which have required years of medical treatment. At the time of the accident, Lienhart was utilizing a lounge chair placed under a tiki hut by a member of the Aruba Grand’s staff.

The Aruba Grand is a large resort operated by Caribbean Hospitality Services, a Florida management company. To draw guests to its facility, the resort heavily promotes its private beach, adjacent public beach, and water activities. Unique Sports offers snorkeling and scuba diving trips which depart directly from the resort. Unique Sports rents space from the Aruba Grand and its facilities are adjacent to the hotel.
Lienhart sued Unique Sports, the Aruba Grand, and Caribbean Hospitality Services for damages resulting from the accident. Lienhart argued that the Aruba Grand was required to inform guests about the trucks on the beach because it knew of the dangerous conditions created by Unique Sports’s activities. The Aruba Grand argued that they were not responsible for the injuries to Lienhart because Lienhart’s injuries were solely the result of Unique Sports’s negligence. The trial court granted summary judgment in favor of Aruba Grand, concluding that the resort could not be held responsible for the negligence of another party.

“Zone of Danger”
The Eleventh Circuit focused on whether the Aruba Grand created a “zone of danger” by directing its guests to an area of the beach frequented by vehicles. Florida law, as a matter of public policy, requires landowners to maintain their property in a reasonably safe condition and imposes a duty to warn of concealed perils that are known or should be known to the landowner, but which are unknown or undiscoverable to guests.1

Unlike the trial court, the Eleventh Circuit determined that the Aruba Grand did have a duty to Lienhart. The court found that Lienhart’s injuries resulted from a “risk the Aruba Grand created and failed to warn or guard against.”2 The Aruba Grand controlled the area of the beach where Lienhart was sitting and knew that one of its tenants, Unique Sports, transported equipment in the area. The Aruba Grand was also aware that Unique Sports drove across the public beach without any demarcation of a driving path and without back-up devices on the trucks. The Eleventh Circuit concluded that the Aruba Grand had created a dangerous situation by allowing Unique Sports to trailer boats to and from the beach without separating the lounge chairs and tiki huts from the traffic on the beach. The Aruba Grand, therefore, breached its duty to minimize the risk of harm to its guests.

Conclusion
The Eleventh Circuit held that the district court erred by granting summary judgment and remanded the case to determine whether Caribbean Hospitality manages the Aruba Grand to such an extent that it assumes contractual liability. This issue was never reached on remand as the parties settled prior to the second trial.

Endnotes
1. Lienhart v. Caribbean Hospitality Servs., 426 F.3d 1337, 1339 (11th Cir. 2005).
2. Id. at 1340.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 22, 2007, 04:27:28 PM
This is interesting for a number of reasons, Klaas.  Thanks for posting it.

Quote:

On May 9, 1998, while vacationing at the Aruba Grand, Janice Lienhart was struck by a pickup truck and boat trailer operated by Unique Sports of Aruba (Unique Sports) while asleep on the beach in front of the Aruba Grand. Lienhart suffered extensive injuries to her face, chest, neck, and arm which have required years of medical treatment. At the time of the accident, Lienhart was utilizing a lounge chair placed under a tiki hut by a member of the Aruba Grand’s staff.
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That is a pretty horrific thing to think about happening while snoozing on the beach!  I am so glad that this person was able to conduct these lawsuits in this country because of the managing company being located here.

I wonder the same about Carlos and Charlie's being some how negligent in that it was well known that drugs were put in drinks there if a member of law enforcement is warning Dave Holloway about it.  What liability do they have to warn tourist of this practice?  Were the drugs put there by bartenders or the customers on their own?  Should the HI have warned their guests to stay away from such an establishment where it was common knowledge drugs were administered to drinks?  

A lawyer well versed in these areas should go over all of this that happened to Natalee with a fine toothed comb as I am sure there are areas of responsibility where mistakes were made that the family can appeal to the court to or redress of their loss.  After all, all the other students returned safely and had done so for years.  Something was amiss with the  situation involving Natalee.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: bleachedblack on January 22, 2007, 11:16:43 PM
ARUBA           
Date of Death    Place of Death    Cause of Death
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
January 26, 2005    ORANJESTAD, ARUBA    Other Accident
February 8, 2005    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA    Drowning
March 12, 2005    WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA    Drug-Related
June 8, 2006    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, ARUBA    Veh. Accid.-Auto
October 4, 2006    SAN NICOLAS, ARUBA    Drowning

http://www.travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 24, 2007, 02:33:17 PM
That is an excellent resource, Bleachedblack, as it lists all deaths by Americans on foreign soil in recent years other than natural causes.  Good information to have for tourists traveling abroad.  

Thanks for posting that!

Anna

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 24, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
Sandy Leiva posted on LCD 01/24/2007:

Quote
found in todays Diario:

OLA A BENTA TURISTA RIBA TERA Y KIBRA RIBCHI

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ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diamars merdia algo despues di 2’or, e informe a drenta di un caso serio cu a socede na Punta Brabo.

E informe cu a drenta ta mustra cu un turista a worde azota pa ola, te cu el a bay for di tino.
Tanto Polis como Ambulans a acudi na e lugar pa check kico ta pasando.

Testigonan a splica, cu ola a dal e turista asina duro, y a lora su curpa bay te riba tera, y debi na e golpi, el a kibra ribchi.

Personal di Ambulans a pone bon riba un brancard, pa asina Strandpolitie a hise riba un vehiculo ATV, pa asina bay cune te na e Pavilion di Manchebo Beach Resort, pa eynan Ambulans pone riba brancard.

< Sandy's summation >:
in a nut shell tourist attacked knocked to ground and ribs broken in punta brabo. Ambulance was called for the tourist. location of punta brabo is near manchebo beach resort. No further info available No names given.


Thank you Sandy. I sent out a signal about this story earlier in the day - and you responded!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 24, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
And we were discouraged from doing this thread because none of these things ever happen to the tourists--just among the locals?   :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

I am so thankful we did not heed that advice for this has turned into a wealth of information and just about all of it is directed toward the tourists or happens in the tourist district or restaurants where tourists are likely to be present.  Very little space on this thread had been devoted to strictly local crime as it seems even possible to encounter a stray corpse on a beach just about any given weekend or other.

Glad we stuck to it and have this to show for our efforts.  

Thanks to all who make it possible to at least begin to keep up with the crime on the island.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 25, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/24/ -- Diario 01/24/2007:

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A base di pago di 500 mil Florin PRUEBA CON SENADOR MERICANO TA ELOGIA NEL ODUBER

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Ayera pueblo di Aruba a haya un shock ora a sali den publicidad cu prome ministro di Aruba, Nelson Orlando Oduber su nomber a worde menciona na Merca den un caso di soborno di un senador.

E persona, Jack Abramoff, kende tabata haci trabao di lobymento (esta influencia) cerca gobierno Mericano, a haya su mes confronta cu husticia mericano pasobra e ta worde acusa di a comete actonan di fraude, corupcion y conspiracion pa cual el a admiti caba cerca fiscalnan mericano y awor e ta cooperando cu nan den e investigacion penal cu ta andando na Merca y cu a lanta masha hopi stof.

Abramoff ta cooperando awor cu e investigacion riba corupcion di congreso mericano. Senador Conrad Burns, segun informacionnan haya for di Merca, ta worde menciona door di e organizacion CREW como un di e 13 miembronan mas corupto di congreso mericano.

E mesun senador aki ta e persona kende riba 7 di December 2004 a elogia Nelson Orlando Oduber como prome ministro di Aruba. Pakico un miembro di congreso sin mas ta bay elogia prome ministro di Aruba? Ki beneficio e miembro di congreso mericano aki tabata tin cu prome ministro di Aruba cu el a bay elogia Nel Oduber, segun documentonan ta demostra?

Te con leu ta conoci, asuntonan cu ta regarda contactonan riba tereno gubernamental cu otro paisnan ta worde atendi door di departamento di asuntonan exterior di Hulanda y ta cay bao di competencia di Hulanda / Reino Hulandes.

Den e caso specifico aki, parlamento hulandes lo tin cu bay haci pregunta na gobierno hulandes encuanto te con leu Hulanda tabata meti den e escandalo di pagamento di placa door di Aruba pa un miembro di congreso mericano bay papia positivo di Nel Oduber den congreso mericano.

Kende ta bay contesta e pregunta di unda e 500 mil Florin of Dollar a sali pa paga un compania na Merca pa bay loby cerca un congresista mericano y kende ta worde menciona na Merca como un persona corupto y e otro kende lo tabata haci trabao pa loby, a admiti actonan penal caba cerca husticia mericano?

Di cua presupuesto placa a worde saca di pais Aruba pa un compania na Merca bay comete actonan di soborno cerca un of mas congresista mericano?

Con Hulanda por permiti of tolera cu den Reino Hulandes un partner por saca placa di presupuesto nacional pa hinca esaki den actonan di soborno na otro pais?

Recientemente un arubiano a worde sentencia na Merca pasobra segun su version el a yuda of coopera cu un amigo of conocir den transaccionnan di placa di negoshi, pero den e caso hopi mas grandi aki, placa di Aruba a worde uza den actonan di soborno di un miembro di congreso mericano!

No ta conoci ainda te con leu autoridadnan mericano ta cu nan investigacion, pero nomber di prome ministro Nel Oduber a worde menciona na Merca y tardi of tempran mester bin claridad riba envolvimento di gobierno di Aruba, sea directamente of indirectamente, den actonan di corupcion y soborno na Merca.

E caso aki ta uno demasiado serio pa aki na Aruba y tambe na Hulanda ambos gobierno djis kere di por laba man. Laga cada ken awe lesa pa nan mes con e miembro di congreso mericano ta elogia y gaba Nel Oduber como prome ministro di Aruba.


SM Front Page article 01/26/2007:

A summary of the Diario article re. Abramoff and Oduber is as follows:

What’s involved is that Nelson Oduber, the Prime Minister of Aruba, paid Abramoff over 250 thousand dollars to put in a good word for him in the Congressional records. Oduber’s name was clearly mentioned with regards to that transaction.

Since Abramaoff kept himself busy with lobbying work and found himself accused of having committed fraud, corruption and conspiracy, which he admitted to the district attorneys, and is now cooperating in the penal investigation that is going on in the U.S. Since he did the same kind of lobby work for Nelson Oduber with the same senator (Conrad Burns), for the price of 250.000 dollars, the article places emphasis on the fact that Oduber’s name is being mentioned in the sordid Abramoff affair in the U.S.

The paper is asking from where Nelson Oduber obtained the funds to beef himself up in the U.S.? And why was Aruban undeclared money used to pay off a corrupt person in the U.S. to speak well of the Prime Minister. The paper also asks how come Holland can tolerate for a partner of the Kingdom to pull out money from the national budget to invest in acts of bribery.

Then the paper goes on to quote what was written about Nelson Oduber in the Congressional records, and to point out that for this small island it is a very serious matter when the Prime Minister gets himself involved, directly or indirectly, in acts of corruption and bribery just to have some good words about him placed in the records.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 25, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
vms posted on LCD 01/25/2007, re. Oduber, Abramoff, Burns.

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[Congressional Record: December 7, 2004 (Senate)]
[Page S11888]
From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:cr07de04-248]

[[Page S11888]]

ARUBA AND COUNTER-TERRORISM FINANCING

Mr. BURNS. Mr. President, I rise today to pay tribute to the
Government of Aruba, a leader in the fight to stop the flow of
terrorist funds in the Caribbean and Latin America. There can be no
doubt that terrorism is the defining challenge of the Nation since 9-
11. While I have always believed that the United States must boldly and
confidently lead the way in this brutal war we find ourselves in, I
believe that help from our allies is essential to stop the financial
networks that support terrorism.

One of the most important fronts in the war on terror concerns the
funding mechanisms that support terrorist activities, including
underground financial systems, illicit charities, and corrupt financial
service providers. Financiers, fundraisers, or donors who provide
financial support to terrorists need to be stopped.

Earlier this year, I had met with the Prime Minister of Aruba, Mr.
Nelson Oduber. We discussed the international threat of terrorism and a
number of other issues. Prime Minister Oduber stressed his nation's
support for stopping terrorism and his determination in stopping money
laundering and terrorist financing in his nation.

In fact, Aruba's leadership in this field started in 1990 when it
hosted what became known as the Aruba Drug Money Laundering Conference, a regional mirror of the Financial Action Task Force--FATF--launched at the Paris G-7 summit of 1989. This started a process, which eventually led to the creation of the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force-- CFATF--an organization that now plays a key role in the War on Terror.

On October 30, 2001, the FATF adopted eight special recommendations on terrorist financing and Aruba has moved to implement some of those
recommendations.

I pay tribute today to Aruba for joining the United States of America
in the War on Terror.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 25, 2007, 01:32:54 PM
SunFreak2 posted this on LCD 01/25/2007, also re. the above posts.

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At the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force in 1997 - Rick Smid (now Judge Smid) was the expert on Money Laundering in the Casino & Gaming Industry!!! See reference below. I found this many months ago and wondered if Judge Smid now heads up the illegal money laundering operations in the Caribbean. It makes sense to me that an expert on money laundering could decide to go to the "dark side" as he would know all the ins & outs and how to avoid the law.

Smid is the Judge who freed Joran, Freddie, K2 in September 2005. He supposedly is Paulus's good buddy. Could Paulus be in cahoots with Smid in the money laundering biz? Maybe Joran & Guido were in on it too.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

source: http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/ click on Casino & Gaming


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 25, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
This was allegedly Karin Janssen's area of expertise as well, prior to her leaving The Netherlands for Aruba.  I have often wondered if there was a connection between her and Judge Smid in this regard and if they knew each other prior to coming to the islands.

Was the idea for these two to prosecute cases of money-mishandling or participate in them?  Odd that they both would have that particular area of knowledge.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 26, 2007, 06:56:29 PM
Here is a link to a bill opposing online gambling that Jack Abramoff is credited with DEFEATING.  He helped online gambling stay legal and it is his lobbying efforts that are largely attributed to this bill's defeat.  

http://tinyurl.com/2g63z3

And just last year, the Safe Port bill was passed which makes it now illegal to use bank transactions in the commission of online gambling.  Finally, with Abramoff out of the picture, this bill was able to get through Congress.

http://tinyurl.com/yun3bc

Spencer Bachus (R-AL) was a sponsor of this bill and also the author of one of the original versions.  His version was later scrapped in favor of inclusion in a larger more inclusive bill which featured other concerns but the end result was making it illegal to use banking transactions, particularly wire and credit card ones for online gambling.  Just about impossible to conduct online gambling without some form of bank wire transaction.

This had to hurt those in this industry which would include Michael Posner owner of the Excelsior Casino where Natalee Holloway was seen on the afternoon before she disappeared.  Although most of the actual transmissions and set up for internet gambling seems to be situated on the Island of Curacao, the players are the same and many are Arubans or live on that island as well.

So with Abramoff put away in jail, the legislation was passed and is now law disabling online gambling.  Note that if one does a search of these type sites, Posner has several sanctions against him in the first place and has only a Class C rating which is not very good.  I can't imagine people entrusting their money to someone with such a suspect rating but then perhaps they don't know about that.  He was apparently sanctioned in regard to horse racing but his online gambling also has a low rating on amount returned to customers, etc.

Without U.S. credit card payments, it is doubtful that many of these online casinos will stay in business but in other parts of the world, they continue to flourish and rake in billions every year.  How much of that is honest, no one knows for how does one file a complaint and who is willing to go to that extent even if they are not treated in the most legitimate of ways.  It's a perfect set up for the dishonest to take advantage from a distance and something that should concern all nations, not just this one.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 27, 2007, 07:28:03 AM
klaas posted this on LCD, re. Jossy on the Dana Pretzer show, 01/26/2007:

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Regarding Oduber and Abramoff:

Normally, Holland does all the negotiations for Aruba. Oduber should not have been doing lobby work for Aruba, the Netherlands should have.

Oduber contacted through Abramoff through Abramoff's employer. Oduber very well aware of Abramoff's troubles. Oduber spent alot of money that could have been spent on tourism, or pay polis..etc.

Jossy thinks the money paid to Abramoff was simply to promote Oduber.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 27, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
Of course, not all of Jack Abramoff's activities were illegal and it may be difficult to prove what was for personal gain and what was for the casino lobby for he was successful in staving off the passage of any bill to make online gambling illegal.

Fortunately, with his arrest last year under the Bush administration, Representative Spencer Bachus of Alabama and others were finally able to complete the passage of the Safe Port bill which contains legislation making the use of banking via wire or credit card illegal for the purposes of financing online gambling.

With all the casinos and casino owners in Aruba, this has to be something Mr. Oduber would not be happy to hear.  If determined, there are ways to bypass the law such as setting up bank accounts in foreign countries but it would take a very determined gambler to go to that much trouble.  The result will likely be a loss of tremendous amounts of income by the online gambling companies, many of whom operate out of the Caribbean basin.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 28, 2007, 07:12:42 PM
Posted by klaas 01/28/2007, on LCD:

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In yesterdays BONDIA, page 11, 40 Kilos XTC

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia012707XTC.jpg

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Jan/27/A-27-1-07.pdf


40 kilos = 88 pounds.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 28, 2007, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Posted by klaas 01/28/2007, on LCD:

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In yesterdays BONDIA, page 11, 40 Kilos XTC

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia012707XTC.jpg

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Jan/27/A-27-1-07.pdf


40 kilos = 88 pounds.


I'm hoping we can get this translated.  There is mention of Amsterdam and I'm not 100% positive this "bust" was in Aruba or the Netherlands.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on January 29, 2007, 06:51:02 PM
From todays Diario - summary by SANDY LEIVA
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/29/

MULTIPLE ROBBERYS AGAISNT AMERICAN AND TOURIST FRI, SAT AND SUN, ACCORDING TO TODAYS DIARIO.

Friday robberys reported
2 at Amesterdamm Manor
1 at weston Arube Resort pollis called -no show- why not enough personnel to go investigate it per police. Diario exclaims it disgust at the polis for not investigating the crime.
Robbery of American 69 yr old D.H. reports robbery at Eagle beach assailant wore white shirt tan pants and has black skin.
Robbery at Adventure Golf apartments. W men broke in with guns Safe broken into. woman at home was able to hit one robber over the head. Whe describes him as jumping like Zorro . She was knocked to floor and recieved injurys. Diarios comment WHERE IS THE POLIS SHOW OF FORCE NO WONDER TOURIST DONT FEEL SAFE HERE.

saturday:
Hold up in Rondweg, 2 men enter home with guns around 830pm polis called but no responce till 1am.Both men had masks over the face.Robbery team investigating.

sunday:
roberry occured in Van Schelpstradt 1 victem hurt and sent to hospital.
Another robbery at Well Well Kareoke bar and Restaurant -no other info


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on January 30, 2007, 08:35:38 AM
klaas & Sandy - Thanks for posting the above. I have been out of the loop for a few days.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on January 31, 2007, 05:53:31 PM
That last one only happened the day before.  I am also watching and trying to make sure we don't miss anything, don't worry.  One of us will catch it.

Sometimes I like to wait a few days and see if something more is in the paper to add to it so that we have the full story in one article.  Just my way of doing it.

Anna

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Elaine on February 01, 2007, 12:37:34 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Author: Wade (---.252.96.224.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net)
Date:   05-03-05 14:41

My wife and I just returned this Sun. from Aruba. We are repeat visitors and have never had any problems with theft on the island until this Sat. While I was snorkling at Malmok Beach, someone Got into my snorkle bag hidden in the rocks and took the car key ( left my wife's snorkle equip.) and stole the rental car. My wallet,cash, credit cards, driv. lic ect were locked up in the trunk. We purchase all additional ins.offered to us from Budget but they state we declined Theft ins. Bottom line... It was never offered to us, we are responsible for the cost of the car until it is located. BE CAREFUL- WEAR YOUR CAR KEY AROUND YOUR NECK OR WRIST AS THE POLICE LATER ADVISED US!!. Is there anybody with a similar incident that can give me some advice. I have nobody to represent me when they find the car and return it to Budget. The car was in pretty bad shape when it was given to us but I did video tape the car before we took it. Anybody seen a White Toyota Yaris Lic plate # V- 3631???We love Aruba and will return next year but this is a huge problem that the police call JOY RIDING.Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

http://tinyurl.com/yruqfd

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The best Steak I have ever had. My wife and I were on our Honeymoon and loved it. To anyone working at the restaurant, we had our wallet and camera bag stolen in Aruba and kept some momentos from your restaurant. They consisted of two coasters, and two bull pins that came in the steaks, if you could send us any of those, we would appreciate it and put them in a scrapbook. I will be glad to pay for any fees involving the shipment. Thanks a million, I will leave my email address.
Steve R
rose0034@comcast.net
08 Jul 2005
18:01:58

http://tinyurl.com/yvs983
Another perfect example of Aruban law enforcement. Your car gets stolen, and messed up or wrecked...and the ALE call it "joy riding".... I call that theft. Will they EVER learn over there?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 01, 2007, 04:28:44 PM
klaasend wrote (lcd 02/01/2007):
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Per MF at FOB regarding the death of Pitbull:

The man was a bouncer at C&C way before Natalee came to Aruba. He went to Venezuela where he tried to transport drugs in his stomach to Aruba, but when he arrived he felt sick because the packages in his stomach broke. He overdosed himseld and the case is not considered a murder case. His friends that were with him were all charged with destruction of an object (since by law, a body is considered an object) after they tried to get rid of the body by burning it.


Buckeye wrote (LCD 02/01/2007):

{Buckeye (below) is quoting two posts from RU ("darkside"). I think it's clear what Glenda posted, and what sarge posted, but I don't know whether any other posters were involved in this quote stack.

Emphasis added by msmarple.}

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Glenda didn't get the early memo. This is what she posted on April 6 on the darkside.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:42 pm

Glenda wrote:
sarge wrote:

That's interesting that he was a bouncer. I know that Glenda said that the man who killed him is a real hardened killer. Does that mean that the police already know who did it? This dead man is obviously a local.
With so many people in Aruba being related like Dompig and the witness I wonder if that is why there have been no tipsters collecting a reward for information about Natalee. They may be afraid to come forth. I have read that Nadira (K2's mom) is also related to Dompig. I don't know if it is confirmed how.
Surely someone had to see something that night after the 4 left C&C's.


This man was killed in a horrific manner ~ hardened criminal is my vocabulary for someone who could have done this. This was not an accident, a crime of passion or rage. Torture is a form of calculated punishment or revenge.


These posts are from just a couple of days after Pitbull was found. Monkeys aren't the only ones who suspect he was murdered.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2007, 03:26:06 PM
Australians warned about crime in Caribbean
Friday, February 2, 2007

SYDNEY, Australia (AFP): The Australian government has warned fans attending the Cricket World Cup about high crime rates in the area and told them not to turn up drunk for their flights.

The foreign affairs department said in an official travel advisory that fans needed to be aware of safety issues at the World Cup, to be hosted by six Caribbean nations from March 10 until April 28.

"In some parts of the Caribbean, violent crime, including armed robbery, kidnapping and murder is common," the advisory said.

"Violent crime is often gang-related and perpetrators may be armed. There is also a high rate of petty crime, including pickpocketing and bag snatching. Walking after dark, including on beaches, can be dangerous due to the increased risk of robbery and assault.

"Crime, including sexual assault and robbery, has also occurred after travellers have accepted spiked food or drink."

Many Australians are expected to visit the Caribbean in large travel groups and the advisory said proper conduct was essential when catching flights.

"Australians travelling to the Cricket World Cup should be aware that airlines serving the Caribbean during the tournament will be refusing boarding to unruly passengers - for example, those intoxicated, aggressive or otherwise behaving inappropriately," it said.

"Passengers refused boarding could face difficulties in re-booking accommodation at departure points and making alternative flight arrangements because of the expected high demand for these services."

http://tinyurl.com/22syey


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2007, 03:29:17 PM
Australians warned about crime in Caribbean
was posted by Poster Hummingbird7525 this date in the Lively Discussion Thread.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 08:14:49 AM
From Diario - February 3, 2007

18 AÑA DI CASTIGO EXIGI PA MELVIN LOPEZ cu awa den su wowo el a pidi sorry na famia di Pedrito (Peralta)
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Diabierna mainta a tuma lugar e caso den cual Melvin Lopez a wordo acusa di na un forma pre-medita, kita bida di Pedrito Peralta, casi un aña pasa. Ta asina cu durante lighting parade na San Nicolas aña pasa, polis a haya un melding cu un crimen lo a tuma lugar den e last lap.
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aña pasa = last year = 2006


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 10:15:32 AM
Leslie - What's going on there? (Your post above)

Also - Leslie - thanks for below, posted on LCD 02/03/2007:

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From Amigoe
OM will not prosecute minister

ORENJESTAD – The Aruban minister Ramon Lee of labour, Culture, and Sport (MEP) will not be indicted for rape, announced the Public Prosecutor (OM) close to noon.
It appears that the alleged victim had already dropped the charges in a letter dated December 20th. She did this, because she wants peace and quiet for herself and for her family. On November 11th, she reported that she was forced to have intercourse with the minister in her home. She says that dropping the charges doesn’t mean that she denies that it happened; neither will the OM stop the investigations. The Justice department can still decide to prosecute, unless there is sufficient convincing evidence. This is not the case here, said the OM.
Lee was interrogates twice as a suspect and admitted that he had intercourse with her, but that it was consensual.


If the victim doesn't press charges, rape isn't a crime? (Remember the gang rape of the girl by classmates ... even though videoed on cell phone and put on the internet - her parents didn't press charges, so No Crime.)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on February 04, 2007, 01:46:50 AM
Seems that Melvin Lopez murdered Pedrito Peralta during the "lighting parade" last year and got a sentance of 18 years in KIA.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 10:29:07 AM
Leslie - Ah, I see. We do have this murder; it is listed as 2/12/2006 in the Summary. Thanks for posting. Got a fairly long sentence, didn't he?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on February 05, 2007, 08:02:36 AM
Murder Victim - John Fernando Arrindel

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/5/

AGRESOR TA HINCA VICTIMA DEN GARGANTA NA FREDDY’S SNACK NA SAN NICOLAS

ORANJESTAD (AAN): John Fernando Arrindel di 49 aña biba na Esso Heights a perde su bida cu un hinca mortal den garganta.
Esaki tabata den garganta banda robez despues di un discussion pa tres Florin.
Segun informacion e victima a drenta den Freddy’s Snack pa cumpra drinks y na dado momento a surgi un discussion entre e victima y e aggressor caminda e aggressor a saca un cuchio y hinca e victima den garganta cortando su ader mayor.
E victima a cay riba su cara y cuminsa sangra profusamente.
Ambulans a ser pidi pa presenta na e sitio caminda cu nan a sali mesora cu e victima pa hospital.
Na hospital mucho no por a worde haci pe pasobra el a fayece.
E agressor a baha na awa, pero polis a bay su tras y ta pone man riba dje tambe.
Aki ta trata di E.M. di fam Barroso di 25 aña, kende ta un conocido di husticia pa su adiccion na droga, cu tabata tin su flanel tur na sanger y a baha na awa y polisnan a core bay su tras y ta detene y logra haya e arma usa tambe cu tabata un cuchio.
E caso aki no tin nada di haber cu e carnaval y tampoco cu e problema di gang.
Dokter Peterson a constata morto di John Arrindel na hospital.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 08:49:51 AM
Thanks Leslie.


Title: Man dies after twinge party
Post by: Terric7058 on February 06, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
anyone have an idea what a twinge party is?

Aruba
Man dies after twinge party
Subscriber Article
SAN NICOLAS - a 49 person whose birthday it is man has died Sunday after he touched seriously wounded during a twinge party in San Nicolas. The man got brawl in a snackbar, whereupon another man put him with a so far still unknown weapon in the throat. Its neck lying veins was touched.
5 Feb, 2007, 17.27 (GMT -04:00)
amigeo


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 06, 2007, 02:33:49 PM
Hi Terric and welcome to murder and mayhem on Aruba! Thanks for your post and hope you'll keep your eyes peeled for other incidents.

I have not a clue what the "twinge party" thing is all about. Look 2 or 3 posts above, though - Leslie posted this murder Monday 02/05. We don't have a translation, but it appears that the victim was "stabbed" in the throat (or maybe throat cut).


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 07, 2007, 10:38:30 AM
Posted by Rob on LCD 02/07/2007:

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/7/

An American tourist and his \ her $2000 winnings from a casino were soon separated by an assault and robbery.

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso cual tanto guardia y polis a atende marduga lo por bay desenmascara un turista. Presencia di Polis a worde rekeri na un Highrise Hotel, na unda agentenan a atende e guardia cu a yama Warda di Polis. E guardia a splica polis cu un turista a worde atraca tat rata di e turista di inicialnan D.H. naci na Merca y e tin casi 80 aña.

E turista a laga sa cu un rato prome e a sali for di casino y un homber desconoci a dale tras di su cabez y a kita e suma di 2.000 Dollar for di dje. E turista segun version lo ta bao di influencia y ambulans a presenta na e lugar y a atende, e ta tin un cap bao di su wowo banda robez.

Mientras tanto a scucha e señora O.H. di 57 aña naci na Merca di e victima D.H. Segun declaracion di e señora cu den careda di 1’or su casa ta drumi banda di dje riba cama, y a constata cu D.H. ta tur na sanger. Su casa esta e victima a bise cu e lo a worde atraca pafor di Casino. Mesora e señora a bay frontdesk y na unda el a bisa nan cu su casa a worde atraca.

A bay averigua na e lugar na unda e victima a worde asalta, pero no a constata nada cu lo por ta indica cu aki lo por a tuma lugar e asalto. Riba di tres piso di e hotel si a bin descubri un plas di sanger, y tambe na porta di e camber tin manchanan tambe di sanger. Investigacion a continua y tambe a haya paña di e victima na sanger y tambe den nan camber.

A bin descubri den carson di e victima credit card tambe un slip cu ta indica cu el a lanta e suma di 2000 Dollar den casino. E victima a worde recomenda pa pasa na despacho di Recherche pa entrega denuncia oficial pa asina Recherche lo sigui investiga e caso mas profundo.

Informenan aki lo ta hole na gañamento, y a resulta cu esaki lo ta cuadra. E turista a inventa e asalto, y purba pa daña nomber di Aruba. E me a gasta e 2.000 Dollar den casino y fuera e ta fuertemente bao di influencia pa colmo prome cu el a yega su camber lo dal abao riba piso, consecuente e herida a sangra formal te cu el a subi cama asina mes drumi! Anto pa despues gaña su casa cu “el a worde asalta”.

A resulta cu el a hunga den casino y perde placa y e no tabata sa con pa sali for di su problema pa cual el a inventa un cuenta pa scapa su peyeho. Polis a scual e formal riba su actitud y comportacion.


Would be good to get some of this translated. It appears that assault was involved. Sandy ??!! Help??!!

Thanks Rob.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on February 09, 2007, 08:19:54 AM
From Solo di Pueblo -February 7, 2007
Den caso di asesinato di Pino Suarez na St. Maarten
Fiscal a pidi 20 aña di prison pa Eddy Flemming cu a wordo gara na Aruba
Dia 13 di Febuari (2006) ta cumpli un aña di e caso lamentabel

20 years in prison for Eddy Flemming who murdered Pino Suarez on February 13, 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Leslie on February 09, 2007, 08:27:16 AM
Solo di Pueblo-  February 8, 2007
Front page picture and article
STA. CRUZ -- Diamars atardi patruya di Santa Cruz a bay den vecindario di Boca Mahos na unda cu tin un mucha muher cu intencion di comete suicidio. Na altura di e ruinanan di Bushiribana polis a bin haya e mucha muher D.K. naci na Aruba di 18 aña, hopi deprimi. E mucha muher a bisa cu e tin hopi problema. Su tata a trece eynan pa e haya aire fresco pa calma. E no tin intencion di mata curpa. Patruya a hib’e warda di Santa Cruz pa papia cu ne. D.K. a bisa polis cu e tin problema cu su mama biologica S.K. E mama a yama su ex amigo y a bisa su ex cu D.K. no ta zorg bon pa su yiu. Door di esey su ex a bay na su school pa papia cu ne. Esaki a haci’e depresivo.
E homber cu e ta bibando cu ne actualmente, D.A. naci na Aruba di 34 aña a bin haya un carta cu D.K. a laga atras den cual e ta bisa cu e ta aparta su mes for di e problemanan. D.A. a spanta y a yama polis. Su mama di crianza, M.K. a bin warda y a bisa cu e ta bay tira bista ariba D.K.  Mucha muher di 18 aña a bay cana na Bushiribana cu menos bon intencion


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2007, 06:21:41 PM
MsMarple,
You are correct that rape is not considered a crime against society or the state in Aruba.  That puts the pressure on the victim to press charges.  It is yet another ploy used to discourage the reporting of crime.

With all the rape shield laws we have in this country but it being a crime against society, the vast majority of sexual assaults remain unreported.  With none of these provisions, I guess they have hit on the perfect solution for keeping rape victims silenced.

Do any females really want to encourage this situation by going to such a place?  If raped, are they prepared to personally push for an investigation and pursue their attackers?  In just about every country, rape is a crime regardless of whether or not the victim presses charges.  Sexual predators must find this very encouraging that it is not a crime unless the victim is brave enough to file charges and hold out against whatever threats can be made before trial.  

So when the tourist go home with only reporting a rape, that's the end of it.  No investigation and no charges unless they hang around to press them.  Most will only want out of there!

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 10, 2007, 06:35:47 AM
(Waves to Anna!)

I think Aruba is about 50 years behind us in its attitude about rape and women in general.

I'm trying to catch up. There were a couple of articles in yesterday's Diario that might be something we want, although of course the translator is not very helpful. Hope that issue is still accessible.

First up, this from klaas, posted early Saturday 02/10/2007:
 
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http://aruba-zone.com

Breaking News: Armed Robbery!

Friday, 09 February 2007
A couple of hours ago there was a armed robbery that took place at a home in the district of Noord. After a rapid response of the authorities 4 people are being held, with 2 cars and all their firearms in the possession of the police department.
This goes without saying that Aruba has to be alert in these days of Carnival when leaving your property unattended. Be on the watch!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 10, 2007, 06:46:29 AM
Diario 02/09/2007 issue:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/9/

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Diahuebs mainta mester a tuma lugar e caso den cual Carlos Adrian Rodriguez a wordo acusa di a menaza su mama y tata cu morto.

Ademas di esaki el a wordo acusa di ta envolvi den un caso grandi di traficacion di droga. Den rapport di polis tin para entre otro cu Carlos lo a bisa su mama: “Dios a dunami mensahe pa mi mandabo fierno”.

E rapport ta menciona tambe cu e lo a menaza su tata y a pone machete na su garganta. Otro acusacion contra Calos R. ta cu el a tira un piedra y kibra bentana di atras di auto di su mayornan, mientras cu e lo a corta tire tambe di e auto aki.


Maybe Sandy can shed some light. "morto" and "machete" in the same article ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 17, 2007, 01:23:11 PM
Posted by Leslie on LCD 02/17/2007:

 
Diario: An 11 year old girl has disappeared in Aruba.

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E no a bay school mas desde Diamars! MUCHA DI 11 AÑA A DESAPARECE
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Autoridad local ta na altura! Voogdijraad tambe a worde informa di esaki. Awor via di DIARIO, e mama ta manda pidi pueblo e cooperacion pa yuda localiza su yiu muher, Sarah Ferro-Marante.
 


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 18, 2007, 07:49:40 PM
Re. the missing girl article above - Sandy posted on LCD 02/18/2007:

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This article states the girl was living with dad a local musician who has custody. The girls mother was visiting the weekend and took her out of the hoome and dad was to pick her up at school on Monday after classes. when he arrrived she was not there and hadnt been to class. The mother is from Venezuela. they believe it to be parental abduction case at this point. The polis went to where the mother was staying and no one had been there for days.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 22, 2007, 12:08:23 AM
Posted by klaas on LCD 02/21/2007, with an "odd" photo - the missing young man has a towel around his waist and an apparent dressing of some sort across his nose:

In todays Diario - a missing 17yr old boy:

(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/21/local/newsimages/muchahomberperdi.jpg)

GABRIEL TA PERDI DESDE DIABIERNA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Abo por a mira Gabriel Bonifacio Margareta? E hoben di 17 aña a sali Diabierna anochi for di cas, cu intencion di subi caya y madruga acudi na Jouvert Morning.
Pero for di e atardi ey, e no a worde mira mas. E hoben ta biba na Pampunastraat na Tarabana.

E hoben ta den compania di un ‘amiga’. Gabriel tin “Gaby” como nomber di cariño, y su cabey color preto, y tin un tattoo na su nek banda drechi di e logo di abeha di “Dakota Tur Dia”.

Famianan a buske henter fin di siman. A yama tur amigonan, demas famia, y ningun hende sa di dje. El a djis desaparece. Mayornan ta haci un suplica pa Gaby regresa cas.

E tata cu mama a bay na Pos Chikito na e cas di amiga, pero no a haye tampoco. A check tambe na algun lugar na San Nicolas, pero envano. Tin sospecho cu un persona tine scondi, sea ta e amiga of otro hende.

Polis mientras tanto a worde notifica di e desaparicion aki. Cualkier persona cu por sa unda Gabriel ta, of si acaso bo a mire den fin di siman, bo ta ser pidi urgentemente pa yama 564-2260, y puntra pa e mayornan.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 23, 2007, 09:25:58 AM
Yesterday's (02/22/2007) Diario had a story about the death of an 11-month-old baby. An autopsy was being performed and the polis were mentioned.

Today's paper has a lengthy article about this. As best as I can tell, the child's name is Shaidieën Hinkel. The parents are requesting the autopsy but the polis are considering charges against them. Here is today's article; maybe we can get a better summary from Sandy.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/23/

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Diahuebs DIARIO a tene un entrevista exclusivo cu famia di mayornan di e baby Shaidieën Hinkel, cu a fayece algun tempo pasa. Manera DIARIO a publica ayera, mama y tata di Shaidieen a wordo deteni, como sospechoso den e caso di morto di nan yiu muher.

Famia di e pareha y e baby a tuma contacto cu DIARIO, pa expresa nan preocupacion riba henter e asunto aki. Nan no por compronde con fiscal por a duna orden di detene mama y tata di e criatura, siendo cu ambos mayor tabata stima nan yiu.

Segun e famia, polis a detene e pareha, a base di negligencia, pues cu nan no a hiba nan yiu dokter, ora cu nan a ripara cu e yiu tabata malo. Nan a splica cu e mucha a wordo entrega na e crash bon bon, despues di cual na crash el a bira malo.

E famia ta puntra dicon esnan di e crash no por a yama e famia pa bisa cu e mucha ta malo y cu el a saca. Ta te ora cu e mama a bay busca e baby, nan a bise cu henter dia e mucha a saca.

Segun e famia, si autoridadnan ta haya cu tabata tin negligencia di parti di e mayornan, esaki ta conta tambe pa e hendenan na e crash, kendenan tabata tin e carchi di AZV di e mucha y por a hibe e mucha dokter, of yama e mayornan.

Pregunta cu nan tin ta, dicon polis no ta detene personal di e crash tambe? DIARIO a puntra e famia, si nan a haya sa resultado di e autopsia. Nan a splica DIARIO cu ora cu nan yama recherche pa puntra tocante di e autopsia, recherche ta bisa cu nan no sa nada.

E famia a haya tende si, cu aparentemente cerebro di e mucha a hincha. Pregunta e ora ey ta, dicon e cerebro a hincha. Segun e famia, e recherche cu a papia cu nan a bisa cu e mucha no tin sla, pues dicon e ora ey autoridadnan ta papia di maltrato?

E famia tin entendi tambe cu nan a haya sanger na lomba di e baby y nan ta puntra nan mes dicon autoridadnan no ta informa e famia debidamente kico e resultado ta di e autopsia y kico e conclusion ta.

Nan a remarca tambe cu mainta ora cu wela di e mucha a hibe pa e crash, e baby tabata hopi bon ta hunga. DIARIO a puntra e famia si e personanan di e crash a tuma contacto cu nan y nan a splica cu no.

Segun e famia, e hendenan di e crash a ni tuma contacto cu nan pa duna condolencia. Pa loke ta e detencion, tabata mama Shaidieën kende a yama fiscal pa puntra ki ora curpa di su yiu por wordo laga bay, pa e por dere.

Recherche e ora ey a bise pa e bay warda, pasobra ainda tin algun pregunta cu nan kier a hasi. Ora cu e pareha a bay warda, nan a wordo deteni, alrededor di 3’or. Famia a busca un abogado awor, pa asina nan wordo representa debidamente, pasobra nan ta inocente, segun e famia.

E famia a trece dilanti cu ora cu famia di muchanan cu tabata keda na e crash ey a bay condoleer mama di e mucha, nan a conta famia di Shaidieën, cu nan a kita nan yiunan for di e crash ey, pasobra nan tabata haya mal trato eynan.

Un señora te hasta a conta e famia, cu un mucha a yega di fayece na e cash ey, despues cu nan a lage cai. E tempo ey ora cu autoridadnan a bay hasi pregunta na e crash, e donio a bisanan pa nan detene e leidster, pasobra e no ta responsabel pa loke e leidster a hasi.

Segun e famia, tabata tin un leidster ta traha na e crash ey, cu a yega di bay PAAZ tambe. Awor e famia ta puntra tambe si e hendenan na e crash tin e papelnan adecua pa traha cu mucha.

E famia a conta tambe cu gran parti di famia di tata di Shaidieën a bin Aruba for di Corsow y Hulanda pa entiero, pero awor probablemente nan lo bay bek sin dera nan ser queri, pasobra ainda no tin un fecha poni pa haya curpa di e baby bek.

Algo hopi lamentable den e caso aki segun e famia ta e echo cu algun tempo pasa, polis a bay school busca e yiu homber di 7 aña di e pareha, sin bisa e mayornan y a hasie varios pregunta na warda di polis, tocante di su ruman chikito cua fayece.

Segun e famia, no ta asina cu tabata e dokter kende a pidi pa hasi un autopsia. Tabata mayornan di Shaidieën mes kende a pidi pa autoridadnan hasi un autopsia, pa asina nan por haya sa kico a pasa cu nan baby stima.

Si e mayornan tabata culpable di maltrato di nan yiu, nan lo no a pidi un autopsia, segun e famia. Segun e famia, nan por a haya e baby caba pa bay dere, pero nan a pidi e autopsia y despues di e autopsia, autoridadnan a tuma curpa di e baby den beslag.

Si nan tabata culpable, nan lo a percura pa dera e baby caba. Famia a conta DIARIO tambe cu ora cu ruman di Shaidieën di dos aña, cu tambe ta keda na e mesun crash, a wak potret di su ruman chikito, el a bisa: “mama, Shei-Shei cai, Shei-Shei dal cabez”.

Otro dia e mucha di 2 aña a bisa tambe “Shei-Shei dolor, Shei-Shei dal cabez”. Tur e informacion a wordo duna na polis, pero nan ta detene e mayornan y no personal di e crash.
Famia a splica tambe cu tin muchanan cu ta bin na e crash di e asina yama “Na-schoolse Opvang y cu un di nan a bisa cu e mucha a cay.

Segun e famia, nan tin entendi tambe cu e muchanan di Na-schoolse Opvang tambe ta atende cu e muchanan. Si un fout a pasa, nan por a djis bisa famia di Shaidieën, pero nan no a hasi esaki.

Al final e famia a bisa DIARIO cu Dios ta grandi, nan ta hende di oracion y cu nan ta bay reza pa e culpable berdadero wordo haya.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on February 28, 2007, 01:09:54 PM
Today's Diario seems to be saying that the baby in the post above (last name starts with H) died from "Battered Child Syndrome" ... a few days ago Diario said that the family was being held for 8 days; this may be saying another 8 (remember that drill).
 

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/28/

Despues cu recientemente detencion di e pareha di fam H. a wordo prolonga cu 8 dia, famia, amigo ta puntra nan mes ki indicacion por tin pa nan tene e pareha aki pa 8 dia mas.

Informacion cu DIARIO a obtene ta mustra cu tin indicacion cu autoridadnan por ta papiando di e asina yama “Battered Child Syndrome”.
Si autoridadnan ta papiando di esaki, esey kiermen cu por tin indicacion cu e baby a ricibi cierto golpi of slanan.

Problema pa e investigacion e ora ey ta, pa determina ta con e baby a haya e golpinan aki. E baby tabata biba na cas cu su mayornan, mientras cu su wela y tantanan grandi tambe tabata cuide, sin lubida e kresh na unda e tabata pasa varios ora tur dia.

Pues autoridadnan mester purba determina kico exactamente a sosode, prome cu cualkier caso por tuma lugar. DIARIO ta keda cerca di e caso aki y lo duna mas informacion, ora esaki ta disponibel.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 05:10:53 PM
MsMarple,
Any update on the 11 months old baby?  

Also are you going to add the post about the tourists who were assaulted (no battery although the attacker did assume a "fighting" position at one point) and the chicken and rice being thrown all over the interior of the car?

While not a major crime, this surely is till illegal.  I certainly would not want chicken and rice all over the interior of my car and would not want to have ti fight to sit on a beach, either. :smt009

Assault is usually verbal with battery being the actual beating part.  Calling tourists "stupid Americans" may well constitute assault if not an hate crime of some sort by this country's standards.

Sometimes I can't get things on Front Page to copy.  We may have to ask Klaas to do this for us.

 :smt002

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 08:05:31 PM
Anna - A followup on the 11-month-old baby is the post above yours. I *think* the gist is that the father has been held for that second eight-day period. "Shaking Baby Syndrome" is mentioned.

As for the "Stupid American" - I actually posted that on the LCD (before it was on the FP)  :wink: . My thinking was that no charges are filed ... and there wasn't overt violence ?? That's why I didn't put it here.

Ya think so?

Haven't seen anything else about the 11-year-old girl (apparently a parental abduction), OR the 17-year-old boy (with the very odd photo - for a Missing Person photo, anyway - wrapped in a towel?).


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 11:38:51 PM
I'd think a woman assuming  a fight stance, calling me a stupid American and dousing chicken and rice all over a car interior pretty violent myself.  Guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

Doesn't matter to me, but if the car had cloth interior, bet it has to all be replaced when that stuff spoils.  Note they go to the newspaper instead of police with this as well as witnesses in Natlaee's disappearance do.

Odd, that.  

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 10:34:39 AM
OK, Anna, here you go - "Stupid American" article, as I posted it in LCD on 03/01/2007 (emphasis added, and may not quite match what I bolded originally):


http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/1/


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TURISTANAN LO DENUNCIA TRATO MALO NA MINISTRONAN Y POLIS
Na DIARIO a presenta un pareha turista y tambe un persona americano cu ta residenciando na Aruba varios aña awor, denunciando un trato malo cu nan a ricibi na Baby Beach fin di siman.

E persona residencia na Aruba a declara cu e tabata na Baby Beach cu su dos nietonan y su yiu muher y manera custumber a presenta cu su propio stoelnan di beach y su pertenencianan pa pasa dia na lama.

El a bin haya un dama color scur ta prepara stoelnan di lama dilanti beach y cu a laga sa cu no tin lugar pe y cu e no mag pone stoel eynan. Ningun hende tabata usando e stoelnan di e dama y ademas tabata tin lugar habri y el a dicidi di pone su stoelnan.

Despues a presenta e turistanan di Rhode island cu dos mucha di 6 y 12 aña di edad y nan a ser cobra un suma exhorbitante pa huur stoel. “No mishi cu ningun di e stoelnan aki”, e dama lo a grita nan y e americano a dicidi di busca mas stoel di su pickup double cabin pa e hendenan.

Nan a haya un zundra di otro mundo di gritamento di e dama color scur y tambe insulta riba dje, cual segun e americano no ta manera pa trata turistanan, principalmente si nos ta rogando pa turistanan bishita nos isla. Como cu e ta biba aki varios aña caba y sa di e mentalidadnan, el a bisa e bishitantenan pa no preocupa y e lo atende cu nan y cu nan por usa su pertenencianan.

Na dado momento e muher a hasta pone posicion di bringa y a califica e turistanan di ta “Stupid Americans!”

“Esaki ta e tipo di hendenan cu Aruba no mester pa traha cu turistanan riba e isla aki”, e americano a laga sa. “Ta un verguenza cu e cosnan aki ta sosode cu bishitantenan y ami mes a sinti mi mes vergonza dilanti e hendenan aki como bishitantenan. Mi a bin aki, y mi ta denuncia e caso aki tambe na Ministro di Turismo y ministro di husticia, y na ATA pasobra no por permiti pa turismo di Aruba wordo perhudica pa hendenan cu e actitud anti-turista, y riba dje faltando respet pa hende”, el a laga sa.

E caso no a termina eynan tampoco ya cu ta despues el a bin haya su mes cu otro sorpresa. Despues di a calma su nietonan y e muchanan di e turistanan kendenan tabata yora pa e trato ricibi, nan a tuma rumbo pa nan vehiculo despues di basta rato cu nan a disfruta di beach.

Ora el a ricibi na e pickup, el a bin haya paden di su pickup yena cu aroz cu galiña, como si fuera ta henter un wea di aroz cu galiña a wordo tira den e pickup. Ora el a bay acerca e muher color scur, esaki na un manera masha arogante a para su dilanti bisando: “ bo ta mira aroz of galiña aki banda?” y a cuminza cu su palabranan menos netchi atrobe.

E cos aki no por keda asina, pasobra ta poco dia pasa caso similar a pasa eynan y bishitantenan a denuncia esaki na polis di San Nicolas. Mi ta bay tambe na polis di San Nicolas cu of sin e familia aki, pa polis cuminza pone atencion riba e asuntonan aki pasobra ta bira tempo pa tuma medida”, el a laga sa.


And for what it's worth, here's the Papiamentu translation:
 
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at daily paper owing to present one pareha tourist y also one person americano cu is residenciando at aruba several year now, denunciando one trato bad cu they owing to ricibi at baby beach end of week.

the person residencia at aruba owing to declara cu the was at baby beach cu his two nietonan y his child muher y as custumber owing to present cu his own stoelnan of beach y his pertenencianan for happen day at lama.

past owing to come achieve one lady color dark is prepara stoelnan of lama fast beach y cu owing to let know cu not have lugar pe y cu the not mag place stoel eynan. none person was usando the stoelnan of the lady y besides was have lugar open y past owing to dicidi of place his stoelnan.

after owing to present the turistanan of rhode island cu two child of 6 y 12 year of edad y they owing to being cobra one suma exhorbitante for huur stoel. “no touch cu none of the stoelnan aki”, the lady will owing to bark they y the americano owing to dicidi of busca more stoel of his pickup double cabin for her hendenan.

they owing to achieve one zundra of another world of gritamento of the lady color dark y also insulta on dje, cual according the americano do not as for deal turistanan, principalmente if we is rogando for turistanan visit we island. because; cu the live here several year end y know of the mentalidadnan, past owing to tell the bishitantenan for not preocupa y the will atende cu they y cu they can using his pertenencianan.

at dado instant the muher owing to even place posicion of fight y owing to califica the turistanan of is “stupid americans!”

“esaki is the type of hendenan cu aruba not have to for work cu turistanan on the island aki”, the americano owing to let know. “ta one verguenza cu the cosnan here is sosode cu bishitantenan y i self owing to feel my self vergonza fast the hendenan here because; bishitantenan. i have come here, y i am denuncia the caso here also at ministro of turism y ministro of husticia, y at behold because not can permiti for turism of aruba wordo perhudica for hendenan cu the actitud anti-turista, y on dje faltando respet for hende”, past owing to let know.

the caso not owing to termina eynan niether already cu is after past owing to come achieve his self cu another surprise. after of owing to calma his nietonan y the children of the turistanan kendenan was cry for her trato ricibi, they did take direction for they vehiculo after of enough rato cu they owing to disfruta of beach.

hour past owing to ricibi at the pickup, past owing to come achieve inside of his pickup fill cu aroz cu hen, because; if fuera is all one wea of aroz cu hen owing to wordo throw in the pickup. hour past owing to bay acerca the muher color dark, this at one as very arrogant owing to stop his fast bisando: “ are you see aroz or hen here near?” y owing to cuminza cu his words less netchi again.

the cos here not can stay so, because is some day happen caso similar owing to happen eynan y bishitantenan owing to denuncia this at police of san nicolas. i am bay also at police of san nicolas cu or without the familia here, for police cuminza place atencion on the asuntonan here because is become time for take medida”, past owing to let know. come across


<end LCD post>

Basically, I *think* -

An American expat on Aruba, an American tourist from Rhode Island with 2 young children, and a local ("woman of color").

The expat is at Baby Beach. The RI tourists arrive. The local wants to rent chairs to the tourist ($12?). The expat, who is in a pickup truck, loans the tourist extra chairs that he has in his truck. The local is not pleased ("Stupid Americans"). On later returining to his truck the expat discovers that a pot of chicken and rice has been dumped into the truck bed.

The expat (and maybe the tourist as well) goes to Diario with this story. Apparently the polis (St Nichols) were not interested.

Part of the point he makes to Diario is the way the tourist was treated by the local woman - in view of Aruba's tourism economy.

I think the expat felt HE was making a hospitable gesture, while the local  clearly turned hostile. And, he believes she is the one who vandalized his vehicle.

The SM FP carried this article as well (on March 1 2007). More detail may be available there or in the comments. (And I may not have the exact story, but that's the gist of it.)

Anna - please add any details you think are important.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 11:04:59 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/5/

Several articles today (and there are possibly others; I don't have much time today).

Alvaro D. Upegui Tabares naci na Colombia di 45 aña – a bartender; killed in a traffic accident. I can’t tell whether there is a criminal aspect.

H.T. and C.L.C. – apparently both landed in the hospital after an altercation. C.L.C. in more serious condition. I *think* H.T. used to live at C.L.C.’s home.

Below is the Papiamentu translation of an article. I don't know whether this is a case we already have or not. (The ages of the child(ren?) do not match (10? 11? yrs old. We already have the 10-yr-old; this says an 11-yr-old; born in 1994. The math is not working for me.) This seems to be saying that the accused requires some medical/Rx that is not available or possible at KIA (the jail).

CASO DI SEX CU MUCHA DI 10 AÑA, POSPONI
diabierna at corte have to did take lugar the caso in cual rosendo henriquez owing to wordo acusa of owing to as relacion sexual cu one child muher of 10 year.

the caso sinembargo owing to come fast pro form. henriquez owing to wordo acusa of owing to as relacion sexual y comete actonan inmoral cu the child, for of 2004 till cu 2006.

the child self owing to nace at 1994. huez owing to pospone the caso, because the self was huez comisario for her acusado y for ley the do not permiti of is huez also.

advocate bryson representando the acusado, owing to ask huez if his cliente can wordo let in freedom pendiente the caso, debi at the achievement cu the is abide of curazon y cu in kia the do not achieve the tratamento necesario.

the acusado self owing to tell huez cu the have to drink one pildora all day for his condicion, but they're clip this in 4 piece y dune all day one piece.

fiscal not was of acuerdo for lage bay, but past owing to tell cu the is bay investiga con is stop cu the cuido medico for cu the acusado.

huez owing to ask the hour ey for fiscal lage know self hour con the situation is. according huez, if have indicacion cu the do not achieve the trato necesario, the will can take the decision for lage in freedom, pendiente the caso. the caso self owing to wordo posponi till cu day 23 of march.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 03:45:26 PM
Posted on LCD 03/05/2007 by klaas; thanks to dkpen.
From Awemainta 03/05/07.

940 kilos of cocaine, apparently on its way from Colombia to Holland.
940 Ks = 2,072.3 pounds or 1.0362 tons.


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 08:48:16 AM
Gregory and Dylan - funeral est. 03/03/2007 - From Amigoe.com, 03/06/2007:

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ORANJESTAD – Nobody has answered yet to the appeal of the police for witnesses of the accident near Seroe Tijsji to report.  The police want witnesses to come forward and cast some light on the driving behaviour of the Ford Mustang with license plate number A-6387, or of other cars.    

A reconstruction took place on Thursday afternoon with witnesses that reported immediately after the accident.  According to reports, there is still no agreement on the facts.  Some witnesses declared that another vehicle hindered the Mustang to merge after an overtaking manoeuvre, while others say that the accident is blamed on inexperienced and reckless driving behaviour.  

The technical investigation, especially on the brakes of the Mustang and the bus is still going.  Based on the results of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor will decide whether the driver will be accused of murder.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Posted by Leslie on LCD 02/17/2007:

 
Diario: An 11 year old girl has disappeared in Aruba.

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E no a bay school mas desde Diamars! MUCHA DI 11 AÑA A DESAPARECE
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Autoridad local ta na altura! Voogdijraad tambe a worde informa di esaki. Awor via di DIARIO, e mama ta manda pidi pueblo e cooperacion pa yuda localiza su yiu muher, Sarah Ferro-Marante.
 


Today's Diario has another story about this. Again, appears to be a parental abduction. I can't make out enough from the Pap translator to understand what's happening.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/6/

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ORANJESTAD (AAN): Desde 11 di Februari, e no a tende nada mas di su yiu muher! Tabata Diasabra 18 di Februari, cu DIARIO den forma di exclusividad a publica potret di e mucha aki, kende misteriosamente no a acudi na School Basico Washington tampoco mas.

DIARIO a mustra cu autoridad ta na altura! Pero ningun hende sa unda e mucha muher Sarah Ferro-Marante ta, mucho menos su tata Ernesto Ferro, kende enberdad tin custodia legal di e mucha.

No obstante esey, sentencia di Huez ta pone cu e mama tin derecho pa por lo menos 2 biaha pa siman haya bishita di e mucha aki. Pero nada di esey ta socede! E tata hunto cu e mucha a desaparece. E publicacion di DIARIO a produci cantidad di yamada telefonico, pero nada concreto.

Te ora cu e siguiente siman, un relato a sali den un otro corant, unda e tata ta bin cu un storia cu e ta na Miami pa un oferta di trabao, y pesey el a haci e viahe urgente sin notifica e mama of cabezante di School Basico Washington.

OTRO CORANT TA YAME “UN BON TATA”

E tata no tin chance ni sinta na e Gate di Aeropuerto di Aruba pa yama school y avisa cu e ta bandona e isla? Ni 30 seconde di chance pa yama e mama y bise kico ta pasando? Ya caba ta bay haci 1 luna. Ni sikiera un yamada telefonico e mama a haya di su yiu Sarah. Esey ta loke e mama a confirma Dialuna atardi na DIARIO.

E tata a relata den e otro corant, cu e ta na Miami. Pero tin hopi fuente ta mustrando cu probablemente esey no ta e caso. Pesey e tata no ta ni manda carta, of haci yamada telefonico directo na e mama. Ni e-mail e ta tribi di manda directo, pasobra via su IP-logging por haya sa mesora di unda e ta mandando esaki.

Kico ta pasando cu Sarah? E ta hayando les e momento aki? Cu kende e ta “viahando”? E hendenan ta di confia? Di con e asina yama “bon tata” manera e otro corant a describi e musico Venezolano, no ta ni laga e mucha haci un yamada telefonico? Di con e “bon tata” tin miedo di comunica cu DIARIO? E tata sa cu DIARIO si tin periodista cu tin e preguntanan cardinal pa haci!

E tata tin intencion di regresa Aruba? DIARIO a haya informe, cu e doño di su apartamento na Koyari a hasta saca tur cos di e homber Ernesto Ferro pafor riba caya. Mas cu claro, pago mensual no a drenta y e doño a keda ningun otro recurso sino di saca cosnan afo. E mama a confirma sinembargo, cu tur cos di e mucha muher a worde entrega na dje den un saco grandi, incluyendo e pushi cu ta pertenece na Sarah.

NO A TRIBI DI CONTACT SCHOOL BASICO

Ki sorto di tata esaki ta? Fuentenan a revela cu un siman despues cu e relato a sali den DIARIO, diripiente e school a haya aviso di un otro persona, cu e tata ta avisa cu e ta kita Sarah di school.

Ni esey e tata no a tribi di haci? E no por ni marca e numbernan di School Basico Washington, y via un yamada telefonico avisa esaki na e Cabezante? Of e no a tende nunca di telegram, fax, of e-mail directo. pa nan Ta un ‘tercera persona’ mester a bay haci esey pa e tata. Esaki Ernesto Ferro y e otro corant ta considera como “un bon tata”?

E otro corant ta considere como “un bon tata”. Pero di con e tata tin miedo di laga su yiu haci un yamada telefonico? Kizas e caller-Id lo revela cu e no ta na Miami, manera e corant kier pinta pa pueblo kere?

Autoridad na Aruba ta siguiendo e caso di cerca, y tin indicacion cu autoridadnan Venezolano tambe ta worde envolvi den e asunto aki. Mas detaye no por a ricibi encuanto esey.

E mama kende ta un persona cu hopi fe Catolico, ta pidi pueblo di Aruba pa mantene nan den nan oracion. Corda riba su yiu muher di kende ainda e no sa unda su paradero ta. Abo sa unda Sarah ta? E tin cabey bruin. Por fabor, yama Polis di Warda di Noord na 107, of check e mama directo na su numbernan 592-5541, of 592-5540.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 08, 2007, 08:22:52 AM
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More cocaine, but less heroine intercepted in Aruba  

American and Aruban authorities are working very close together on the control of drug related criminality.  The Coastguard for the Neth.Antilles and Aruba is also involved.

ORANJESTAD – In the first 11 months of 2006, 3000 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Aruba.  This is 9 percent more than in the entire year of 2005.  On the other hand, only 3 kilo heroine was intercepted versus 68 kilo in the year before.  That is stated in the International Narcotics Control Strategy Report for 2006 that the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs of the American ministry of Foreign Affairs published last week.  

In the report for 2005, also 526 kilo marihuana and 38 XTC pills were mentioned, but nothing is mentioned about these in the 2006 report.  In 2006, the American immigration service and border patrol that reports to the Department of Homeland Security at the Reina Beatrix airport intercepted fewer narcotics with destination United States than they did in 2005.   The report states that drugs can easily be obtained at walking distance from the cruise terminal in Oranjestad, and is being offered to cruise tourists on a regular basis.  The cruise companies that have Aruba on their timetable have introduced strict measures to prevent crewmembers from establishing permanent drug routes to the United States.    

DRUG-GANGS

In the report, Aruba is still being considered as a transfer place for drugs via airplane and cruise ship to the US; not so much to Europe.  Besides, it is remarkable that heroine is being mentioned as number one and cocaine as number two, while considering the amounts that were intercepted, you would expect the contrary.  

According to the report, there are indications that organized drug-gangs are active on the island.  A few drug dealers were arrested and sentenced in 2006.  These drug dealers incite drug-couriers to the actual transportation.  There were 123 arrests in 2005, but the 2006 report does not mention a specific amount.

It does mention cooperation between Aruban and American authorities when it comes to arresting American citizens that try to smuggle substantial amount of drugs to the United States.  The two countries are also cooperating on information to students.  It specifically mentions the Police Corps of Aruba.  

In 2006, the Aruban government has also made space available to the aircrafts of the American air force and customs that try to hunt down drug transportation from the air.

Regarding the Forward Operation Location (FOL), the report only states that, the airport will be supplied with more facilities in the future.    

REFUGE

Employees of the anti-drugs institutions are encouraged to take the courses given by the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA) en Homeland Security and to use the facilities that are available.  The smuggling of drugs, money laundering and the related violence continue to be a threat for the islands of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba. The authorities will rigorously continue with actions against drug-smugglers and money launderers to prevent that the islands become a refuge for illegal activities.    


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 08, 2007, 08:25:16 AM
Sorry - forgot attribution for the above post:

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  03/08/2007


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 09, 2007, 01:51:24 AM
Humm. Just saw this at Blogs For Natalee, posted by Opus on 03/05/2007:

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26 June 2006 arubanboycott.blogspot.com/

ARUBA - The search for the boat with the brothers Panneflek is up till now unsuccessful. The Search And Rescue Foundation Aruba and the Coastguard have searched the seas around Aruba and have informed all the boats in the surrounding seas about the missing brothers.


The Guardia Naval (Coastguard) from Cartagena and the Venezuelan patrol boat Independencia are also searching for the boat and the two brothers. Also the American naval ship, the USS Monterey that was in the neighborhood of Aruba is searching. The Fokker of the Coastguard has meanwhile also searched the coasts of Colombia. The two brothers went fishing with their unsinkable last Saturday and didn't return. Also family members and other volunteers went out to sea to help look for the missing two.


Benny and Freddy Panneflek missing since April 8, 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 10, 2007, 12:18:49 AM
Wonder if anyone can help (Sandy??  ). I think is is familiar and relates to something already on M&C. There's a man they thought died of natural causes/suicide (you know how that goes) but later came to suspect otherwise. The widow lady meanwhile is safely esconsed in Canada and extradition is unlikely? Plus, Aruba maybe doesn't have the technical expertise or means to investigate?

I am not sure, but I think the deceased is John, widow Maria; possible last name Maas.

From today's Diario - http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/9/

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Caso misterioso sin soluciona “JOHN” A FAYECE INTOXICA Y AINDA MINISTERIO PUBLICO NO A LOGRA LOCALIZA “MARIA”

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Pa algun aña caba John ta morto te cu nan a cobe y sake for di su graf pa practica autopsia pa determina di kico e a fayece. Hasta autoridad local a ricibi yudo tecnico for di Hulanda pa yuda den e investigacion. John tabata doño hunto cu su casa Maria di un Petshop aki na Aruba.

Posiblemente problema familiar a hunga un rol cu direpiente John a bira malo y te cu el a bin fayece. E medio e tempo a duna di conoce cu John a fayece un morto natural y asina tambe nan a dere den Santana na Paradera.

Pero pa un motibo of otro a drenta informe na autoridadnan local cu tin fuerte sospechoso cu John a worde asesina sea cu slow of fast position. Autoridad local tumando na cuenta cu John tin basta tempo caba dera y nan tin mester di ayudo tecnico a pidi expertonan Hulandes pa ayudo tecnico. {technical help}

Mientras expertonan a yega algun tempo pasa a saca e curpa di John for di su graf y cierto partinan di e cadaver a worde transporta pa laboratorio tecnico na Hulanda pa investigacion.

Despues di algun tempo a termina cu investigacion y conclusion ta aparentemente John a worde intoxica y sospecho ta bay den direccion di Maria. {suspicion directed in the direction of Maria}

Pero Maria.... dia bieu a move pa Canada y aparentemente tin peticion pa mas cu un aña of no a puntra nunca cooperacion via di Hulanda pa Canada pa laga detene Maria naci 9 di maart 1959 Hulanda y extradite pa Aruba pa asina e bin duna cuenta.

Parce cu tur cos ta tranca no ta conoci si no por localiza Maria riba e planeta aki, sea e ta bon scondi of lo ta move di un pais pa otro asina lo por scapa for di husticia Arubano. Mientras tanto e caso di John Maas drumi den su graf den Santanan na Paradera ainda su famia no tin claridad di su morto, y ta keda un misterio tanten no interoga Maria pa sera e caso.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on March 12, 2007, 03:26:28 AM
MsMarple,
You are doing a wonderful job of keeping tabs on all the crimes happening n Aruba.  I guess the huge stash of cocaine did not technically happen there but in Amsterdam?  That's a lot of cocaine!   :shock:

Hope Sandy will come and translate some of the things for us.  Sorry I am so little help, not enough hours in the day for me right now.  Things should become better in that regard before too much longer.  At least that is my best hopen that die will.

Keep fighting the good fight!

Anna

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 12, 2007, 02:37:15 PM
Hi Anna - Yes, I only posted the drug bust because it seemed pretty big (over a ton). At least that seemed big to me - what do I know about "norms" for drug smuggling?  :lol:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 12, 2007, 02:44:36 PM
From the M&C Summary (currently page 16):
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??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old Colombian man sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred, however this case is not listed in the SM 2005 Summary.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2



From SM Front Page post, Amigoe 03/12/2007:
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More attention on sexual abuse of handicaps
ORANJESTAD – Sexual abuse of minors and mentally handicaps will receive more attention.  That is the result of an assignment in Aruba that Corine Melis finished recently.  Melis is police inspector with the National Police Corps Services in the Netherlands.  

Melis has put guidelines and proposals for improvement of the interrogation of mentally handicaps on paper for employees of the Youth- and Vice Squad in Balashi.  The studio where the interrogations take place is refurnished and made customer-friendly.

With Posters in Papiamento and Dutch, the attention of the population is fixed on the duties of the Youth- and Vice Squad.  The sexual abuse of minors and mentally handicaps is still a taboo on the island.  The program Cerca Dika on TeleAruba will pay attention to this subject.  There was a need for Melis’ instructions, because the Police Corps in Aruba had no expertise in-house for the interrogation of mentally handicaps.
Before she joined the Police Corps, she was youth leader in an institution for mentally handicaps.  Once with the police, she became youth- and vice detective.

She was on vacation in Aruba last year and stayed with a friend that, as psychologist, was committed to the Foundation for Mentally Handicaps (SVGA).  There was a case of sexual abuse of a mentally handicapped minor right in that period of time. Due to her personal interest, she got in contact with Eric Lake, Youth- and Vice Squad inspector in Aruba and later also with chief superintendent of police Peter de Witte.  Melis received the go-ahead for a work assignment in January, which she could use pretty good for an internal study in the Netherlands.  The instructions that are now on paper are totally in accordance with the guidelines of the Public Prosecutor.

Tuyo Werleman of SVGA said that he is very pleased with the result of this assignment.  Not only the police received instructions, also the employees of SVGA received usable information from Melis on recognizing customers’ behaviour problems that derive from sexual abuse.  Inspector Lake was also pleased with the results.  Melis said that now that more attention is paid to the possibility to report sexual abuse, the department can expect a bigger number of complaints.  The department might have to consider increasing her staff in the future.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2007, 02:00:28 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet.  I'll copy to the Murder and Crime thread.  Posted on a membership only message board:

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=42549

Someone was mugged outside The Occidental Hotel.
(This was posted on Playa Linda's board by Randrew.)

"Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: Mugged In Aruba March 12th
I just got back from Aruba Saturday. My second day in Aruba last week I was mugged outside the Occidental hotel.
I have been going to Aruba for approx. 12 years and never had a problem. I own a timeshare at PlayaLinda, but could not get an additional week this year, so I stayed at the Occidental for the first time.
I was walking to the left of the Occidental on the sidewalk out by the street at 7:30pm. It was less congested on this side of the sidewalk which is why I chose this path to walk.
On my way back to the Occidental as I was passing the construction site I sensed someone walking behind me. I didn't think much about it and the man asked me for a cigarette. As I turned around to hand it to him, I was punched in the head with a fist full of keys. With his other hand he ripped my gold chain off my neck. I swung and punched him in the face and he ran through the construction site. I yelled for help, but there was no one around.
When I got back to the Occidental and asked for first aid for the cuts to my head and face and the Police, all they seemed to care about was that it didn't happen on their property.
The Police didn't seem surprised and said you need to be careful during the high season as it's very busy.
All in all, I've been lulled into a false sense of security over the years and have always defended Aruba in light of all that's happened there over the past handful of years.
I will continue to go to Aruba. Bad things can happen anywhere. I just wanted to warn anyone to be careful in this area of the highrise district. STAY AWAY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SITE BY THE OCCIDENTAL. "


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 13, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
Thanks klaas.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2007, 02:53:53 PM
Another post about crime in Aruba from the Aruba forum you need to be a member to read in:

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=498114#498114

Patsfan74
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:18 pm    
 

We also were victims of crime in Aruba recently

I was at the Holiday INN last week and my wife left her diamond bracelet on the top of the mini fridge thats in the room the first night we got there.

Being dizzy from the trip and chasing our 2 year old around, she forgets to put in the safe that night, we get up the next morning to go to the beach and when we get back to the room to get ready for dinner she notices the bracelet missing.

We notify the front desk and housekeeping but they weren't much help. They would talk to the housekeeper and see if she saw anything.

The following day I was in my room taking a nap and I hear 2 quick knocks on my door and someone comes rushing into my room. Startled to see me in there he says "I am here to fix the shower you called and said didn't work" , I tell him that no one called and he should leave my room at once. I couldn't beleived he just barged into the room. Beware if you are staying at the Holiday Inn. I heard alot of people on the beach complaining about the maintainence workers just barging into rooms without them calling.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 15, 2007, 12:46:16 PM
klaas posted this in the LCD 03/15/2007:

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Four passengers were caught with more than 200 ‘cocaine balls’ in heir stomach, which they wanted to take to Amsterdam.
ORANJESTAD – In the night of Sunday to Monday, custom detectives arrested four passengers that were just about to board the KLM aircraft to Amsterdam. The four were suspected of transporting narcotics inside- or on their body.

The brothers T.S.A. and T.S.E. v.d. B. were arrested and taken to the airport customs office, where they were thoroughly investigated. Their body language revealed that they had something to hide. Both were turned over to the organized crime department of police. The assistant prosecutor said that x-rays showed that the two had actually swallowed cocaine balls.

About the same time, another man and woman were arrested. The woman was acting suspicious during a routine check. Her behavior was nevertheless reason for arresting her and the man that was with her. The woman seemed pregnant. They were turned over to the police for further investigation. The woman, who was definitely pregnant, admitted having swallowed cocaine balls. The total weight of the cocaine was not determined yet, but it was packed up in more than 200 balls.


http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on March 24, 2007, 02:38:50 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
From the M&C Summary (currently page 16):
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??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old Colombian man sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred, however this case is not listed in the SM 2005 Summary.
From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue: http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2


Considering our language difficulties, it is amazing that we are as accurate as we have been.  That would be thanks to your diligence.




From SM Front Page post, Amigoe 03/12/2007:
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With Posters in Papiamento and Dutch, the attention of the population is fixed on the duties of the Youth- and Vice Squad.  The sexual abuse of minors and mentally handicaps is still a taboo on the island.  
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Just what does that mean?  STILL a taboo as though at some time in the future this is going to be perfectly acceptable?  What an odd thing to say.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=502508&highlight=#502508
lanztx
Freshman
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 13
Location: Minnesota
 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Don't think I will ever visit this Island again!

Our trip came to a screaming halt at midnight last night. Why, might you ask? Well after having a pretty good week we were having our farewell cocktails on the veranda of our rental villa. When all of a sudden we get a yell for help from one of our group who was sleeping in one of the downstairs bedrooms with her two kids. Some one had just woken her up by grabbing jewlery, watches, and a billfold from the night stand next to her bed. When the theif saw he had woken her up he ran out of the room. By the way the room was directly below where we were sitting. As us guys jumped up and ran to see what happened the thief jumped the wall and ran down the beach. We never even got a look at him. We did see a white truck scream down the road away from the beach parking lot but never got close enough to see a licence plate. When we got back to the villa we found out that before the thief had walked into the room he had first scaled a fifteen foot wall and climbed into a very small window in the master bath. The window was maybe 15 inches wide and the same high. He also cleaned that room out of a laptop, watches, and jewlery. This room was ten feet from where we were sitting and people had used the bathroom several times shortly before midnight. After talking to the local cops they told us that there has been a large rise in crime. They also implied they are keeping it under wraps because it is high tourism season. They also said because of the large amounts of construction they are sure most of the crime is being commited by imported workers. Frankly I don't care who is doing it. I'm glad no one got hurt and that things can be replaced but I wouldn't feel safe in Aruba again. Getting robbed while you are sitting fifteen feet away and wide awake, Having some thief walk into a room where people are sleeping. I had a bad feeling about this island after reading some other posts here on this web site. Guess I should have listen to my gut it ussually isn't wrong.
Moral of the story never feel safe where ever you are!!!!

Forgot to mention took the cops almost an hour to respond. I saw no real show of the police force except the two speed traps on the main road on two different days. And when they did show up they didn't really do anything except take statements from us.

Then posted this today:

I want to clear things up a bit from my last posting. I was very tired and had just gotten home when I posted.
The robbery happened Thursday night shortly after midnight. We were staying in the Villa Alexandra. We flew home on Friday afternoon on Delta. Half of our group was awake. Three adults and all 6 kids were sleeping. 6 of us adults were enjoying our last night with a few cocktails and listening to the basketball games. We were sitting on the veranda with all the outside lights on. The lights in the pool were even still on, since we let the kids stay up until 10 pm swimming. When one of the adults, who had two kids sleeping in their room, right below the veranda, was awakened by someone grabbing their belongings from off the nightstand next to the bed she was sleeping in. The person bolted out of the room. She was stunned and probably in shock and didn't make it to the door to yell for help until he had been gone for a full minute. Once he ran he headed north toward the pubic beach. Two of us guys headed the same direction down the beach. One of us headed up the driveway and then down the street to the beach. When running down the street a white pick up flashed past and turned into the parking lot for the beach. With in seconds it turned around and headed back toward the high rise area. As it pasted our guy it turned on the high beams in his face. As soon as it pasted him by it shut off it's lights until it was out of sight. When us three guys got back to the house we were informed that the other bedroom had also been roobed. The police were called by the time any of us guys made it off the property. They took almost a full hour to show up. They did nothing more than take our statements and tell us to pick up a copy of the report in the morning. There were 4 officers in all two never entered the house and stayed in the driveway talking to a couple of us guys. They stayed arounded for a total of 20 to 30 minutes. When we picked up our copy of the report it was incorrect and didn't have all the items that were taken on it. We were told it could not be changed even if it was not complete. It felt like since they knew we were leaving in a few hours that they really just didn't care.

The biggest problem I have is the boldness of the whole thing. This all happened while we were awake and clearly visable. Walking into a rooom where people are sleeping takes a big set. Crime happens everywhere we all know that, that isn't my complaint. It was the lack of response and a general lack of police presents on the island. We take a trip with the whole family every other year and are always careful to lock everything up. Never thought we would need to lock the bedroom door when one adult is still up and only 6 feet away from it. We have done this on many trips. We do this at home when sitting on the deck in the back yard, Front door locked back door open. This was not an issue of us not being careful.

Now the issue I have with a few of you on this message board is why do people go straight to "it's a made up story"? I thought it was set up to share info. I got some great info from this board. When I posted a very scary, very real problem on the island that I experienced first hand I get attacked and pretty much called a liar. Come on people there is no perfect place on earth. There might be places that some of us think are close. Sorry I just don't think Aruba is one of them.

This was a very bad situation. Think if the robber had gone into a room where your kids were sleeping with your wife, while you were sitting directly above them, and took your jewlery, wallet, laptop, etc...

I was planning on posting our trip report about all the great things we did. Because we did have a lot of fun and enjoyed a number of things. I just wanted to let everyone know safety is an issue on this island. After some of you atacked me, I'm not sure I will ever post here again. To those of you who gave me some great info thank you very much. To those negitive people sorry you have nothing better to do then attack others.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 25, 2007, 12:50:09 PM
Thanks klaas.

Room invasion - especially when people are IN the room - is just a horrible experience.

Imported construction workers? I doubt it. This kind of thing is invariably an inside job. And notice it was the visitors' last night, too.

Thugs.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 25, 2007, 03:23:44 PM
Buckeye posted another room invasion on the LCD 03/25/2007:

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject:    

Not sure we have this one but:

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....Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: Aruba Divi Divi All Inclusive - Hotel Security Useless

We stayed at the Divi Divi for 7 days. The hotel was clean and it was very beautiful. The buffet at both the Divi Divi and the Tamarijn did have lots of flys but nothing that caused us not to eat.

We only experienced a problem with the security. On the second night of our stay at the Divi, my father who was staying in an adjoining room from my wife and I heard a loud noise when we were out around 11pm. He walked into our room to find that a man was standing over our cameras and valuables in our room. He had taken the "permanent" side of the sliding glass door off the track and basically walked in. My father yelled at the top of his lungs and the man ran, dropping his cell phone, which we kept and gave to the police. It was a local person who broke in....


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on March 26, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
More reports from the Aruba bulletin board about crime problems in Aruba.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=503301&highlight=#503301


Kododo
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Joined: 24 Nov 2002
Posts: 130

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject:    
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I could go into 'great details', but will be re-labelled AGAIN as an Aruba bashing aruban....
In past posting I warned against the "rose colored glasses", only to get rediculed....The Island is no longer safe, as many remembers the past.
If only every victimized tourist would post their experience(not being shamefull), and if the 'local' papers were printed in English, then the 'shades of Jamaica' will shine thru.
Crime is high, and ever increasing in violence on the island !!!!!!!!!!!!!


ryusam
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Joined: 12 May 2004
Posts: 126

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject:    

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Kododo, sorry to say but I'd have to agree with you unfortunetly. This incident at these villas is but the tip of the iceberg. I know I'm going to get criticized for saying this bit so be it. I also agree with alot of other posters, crime can happen anywhere and does. But when I'm going on vacation I don t want to be looking over my shoulder all the time to be the next victim, and spending 3 k a week for it. I can do it at home for 3 k less.. With the money we're all spending in Aruba these days to go on vacation the last thing we want is to be a victim of a crime. But it happens every day of the week to tourists and locals alike. I also agree, if all who have heard of, or been a witness too, or even a victim, we could add another section to this bulletin board. Why some on here continue to sugar coat it, its is amazing to me. 90% of us who post on this board are just vacationers, pure and simple. Who happen to love this once very simple Island. Those days are gone. Make now doubt about it. All this has happened for a hundred reasons, no need to bring up every little pet complaint, or tit for tat crime storys on here. If you've been going there for a while like us, "23 years", theres no need to explain it to you. You should know whats going on!!! If you don t, and don 't wanna find out, or don t care, and wanna walk around with your head up someplace, good luck with your sunny days at the beach attitude, you just might end up on the daily police journal like so many hundred others have!!! And yes before any of ya ask, I've been a victim also!!!


Chris
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject:    

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I just returned from the island last night, after a wonderful 3 weeks there. I will NOT go into details, so please don't ask, but this was not the only home invasion last week while the renters were there. I know of one other at the beginning of last week where the couple was sleeping, and their rented home was robbed between midnight and 5am of cash ( just what was in the wallet at the time), wallet, camera, etc. The home did have a security system, and was alarmed at the time of the robbery, but came to find out, a "couple of windows" were not on the alarm system and one of those windows was the point of entry.

The next day, the security system was corrected to include motion detectors, but their belongings were not recovered.

A PLBR member was also mugged in front of the RIU the week before at 7:30pm walking back to the resort.

Like anywhere else in the world, precautions should be taken.

I am very sorry to hear another was robbed last week.


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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject:    

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We have been going to Aruba since 1989.  

I just want to say:- "Our Aruba of yesteryear is not Aruba of today".  

I base this on the great increase in non-Aruban workers who come from a different culture where crime is more a way of life.
 

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I have heard that illegal drug use is on the rise as well, probably fueling the need to rob/mug tourists to pay for their expensive habit.
 

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I got a very big laugh out of you Aruba Coolaid drinkers stating that it must be the "foreign workers".

Yeah, thats right, no Aruban's are capable of crime.

Like Arubadebi said on another thread the Arubans are "gentle loving people". Come on folks you don't have "rose-colored" glasses on anymore you have blinders on.

Picture yourselves as the three monkey's

SEE NO EVIL - HEAR NO EVIL - SPEAK NO EVIL

That's how you view Aruba and it's peolpe. Nice thoughts but not very realistic.

So for the rest of us in the REAL world I will approach Aruba as I always have and that is not to ever let my guard down.

Here is a job for Eddy and others on the Island. How about getting us the REAL statistics from the Aruban Government/Police on Crime Statistics.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 26, 2007, 01:07:08 PM
Ooooohhhh, klaas - excellent; thanks.

That island needs to figure out that ignoring, or covering up, this stuff only leads to much, much more crime.

I think the polis don't even bother investigating the majority of these incidents. Word gets around ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 29, 2007, 12:34:04 PM
I posted this on LCD 03/29/2007:
 
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/29/

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Uni contra detencion di Saladin! MANIFESTACION CONTRA PROBLEMATICA DI CHOLLER DEN CENTRO DI CIUDAD
ORANJESTAD (AAN): E problematica cu choller a yena buchi di tur hende akinan na Aruba. A yega ora pa Ministerio Publico actua cu man duro pa loke ta trata e abuso di e chollernan, kendenan pa negligencia di gobierno ta haci y deshaci den centro di nos ciudad sin cu pa colmo nada por worde haci di parti di esnan afecta.

Esaki tabata e caso di e conocido comerciante Michael Saladin, kende a worde aresta pa motibo di a saca un arma di candela pa un choller cu tabata tin su casa teroriza cu tanto molester, kiebro y ladronicia.

Ayeratardi, un grupo di sostenedornan, entre nan comerciantenan, famia y amigonan a tene un manifestacion contra di e problematico aki y logicamente pa protesta contra e detencion di Michael Saladin.

Manera por mira riba potret, e manifestantenan tabata grita entre otro: “Hiba e chollernan Santa Cruz”, “Si ta yiu di Minister of Gobernador e no lo tabata cera”, “Friends and family si ta gana cu huurmento di shelter”, “Cobarde”, “Abusador”, “Ta pueblo ta paga’, etc.

Pueblo ta rabia cu e maneho di Minister Booshi Wever y su partido, kendenan ta pensa so riba Friends and Family pero no riba bienestar di nos pueblo.


Online Pap tranlator:

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uni contra detencion of saladin! manifestacion contra problematica of choller in centro of town

oranjestad (aan): the problematica cu choller owing to fill buchi of everybody akinan at aruba. owing to arrive hour for ministerio publico actua cu hand duro for thing is deal the abuse of the chollernan, kendenan for negligencia of gobierno is haci y deshaci in centro of we town without cu for colmo nothing can worde haci of part of esnan afecta.

this was the caso of the conocido comerciante michael saladin, that owing to worde aresta for motibo of owing to saca one arm of candela for one choller cu was have his casa teroriza cu tanto molester, kiebro y ladronicia. {Businessman? Michael Saladin chased a drug addict away with a firearm.}

ayeratardi, one are of sostenedornan, among they comerciantenan, family y amigonan owing to as one manifestacion contra of the problematico here y logicamente for protest contra the detencion of michael saladin. {Saladin was detained (along with the choller); for Saladin, it was a gun charge.}

as can see on potret, the manifestantenan was bark among otro: “hiba the chollernan santa cruz”, “si is child of minister or governor the not will was cera”, “friends and family if is earn cu huurmento of shelter”, “cobarde”, “abusador”, “ta people is paga’, etc.

people is angry cu the maneho of minister booshi wever y his faction, kendenan is think only on friends and family but not on bienestar of we people.


This prompted a people's protest, presumably of the arrest of Saladin. One of the several signs they were carrying said, "One Happy Choller Island."

Another article same day, Diario says that Michael Saladin is a businessman, a U.S. citizen with legal resident status on Aruba, and is/was in some way connected to NASA ?? with high security clearance ??
and his family has contacted the Consul General on Curaçao.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/manifestacion.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 29, 2007, 12:37:05 PM
klaas posted this on LCD 03/29/2007, from an Aruba bulletin board.

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jaccli
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Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:33 am Post subject:

I think people on this board have to except the fact that there is a problem in Aruba concerning crime . I don't think it has anything to do with workers . I do think it has a lot to do with drugs . I can't tell you how many times a day I see kids selling drugs Eagle beach , Palm beach, downtown even in front of hotels . I was asked once if I wanted cocaine in front of Ling and Sons and I'm a middle aged bald guy !! I worry for our children, I would never let my kids go to Carlos and Charlies . That area is called cocaine alley drug dealers everywhere. If there is cocaine dealers there is crime - and Aruba has a lot cocaine dealers.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on March 30, 2007, 03:35:41 PM
Amigoe.com, 03/30/2007 - More on the Michael Saladin firearm arrest, from his chase after a "choller".

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Protest against drug addiction problem  

ORANJESTAD – About 500 to 600 protesters showed their support to Michael Saladin, by protesting against the increased problems with drug addiction.  The protest march was peaceful; the banners spoke or themselves; the general sentiment is that hardworking people should not suffer under the addiction of others.  

The march started around 17:00 in the Wilhelminastraat to the location where La Linda was at the Caya Betico Croes.  Michael Saladin is still under medical observation.  His lawyer Ruiz said that the matter has struck Saladin so bad that he is bad off physically and mentally.

“Usually, he is a cheerful man, but now he is down and even depressed.”  Ruiz indicated that the big turnout at the protest march and all the expressions of support, are a big support for him and his family.

Tomorrow is the eighth day of custody.  Ruiz expects another session with the examining judge, who will decide whether to order further detention or not.  Ruiz hopes that based on his health condition and the fact that he has small children, the judge will decide on not ordering further detention.  “Besides, being a businessman and owning two businesses that are open 24 hours a day with 11 employees, Saladin has a big responsibility.”  Ruiz says that there is no uncertainty about the fact that Saladin has aimed his weapon on the choller that threatened him.   That’s not the case.  The weapon was in his hand but he didn’t aim it at the choller.  

The American consulate general in Curacao asked the police and the public prosecutor for information on Michael Saladin’s situation.  This is standard procedure for the consulate, because Saladin is American citizen.  Vice-consul Bill Furnish indicated that the consulate always make inquiries when something happens to an American citizen abroad.  They do that so they can answer possible questions of family in the US.  Due to the American privacy-act, he is not allowed to discuss details with the media.   He did say though that he is very pleased with the cooperation of the police and public prosecutor here in Aruba.  He has not yet contacted Saladin directly.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
And yet the only demonstrations we saw about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were the two AGAINST Beth.

At least we know that the people of Aruba can demonstrate and apparently are not afraid to do so.  They are just selective in their concept of justice.   :roll:

Perhaps if they had expressed expectations of a different kind to their officials in the instance of Natalee, we might have had a very different outcome there as well.

How strange they are so outraged in this instance and yet have no problem with the manner in which Natalee's disappearance was investigated.  Or not investigated as it was in this instance.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: dkpen on April 02, 2007, 11:27:39 PM
Hi!

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not so thought I would add it. It's an accident resulting in death. More than likely the "Jet-sku" company didn't give good instructions on jet-sky safety and usesage. Per Aruba.


Posted by cee: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Sad News
Just heard on my local news tonight that a 44 year old man (last name Powers) from Massachusetts was killed in Aruba on a jet ski. He leaves behind his wife and 4 children. My prayers go out to his family. It is in the local paper, but in Spanish.

The highlight in the DIARIO (local paper in PAPIAMENTO, not spanish),
Mr. Powers family were all vacationing in Aruba. He and one child were on one waverunner, and two other children of his , were on another waverunner. These two waverunners ran into each other , resulting in Mr. Powers death. This accident occurred Friday afternoon, a very, very sad situation.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/31/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: dkpen on April 02, 2007, 11:30:13 PM
Posted by Paul Druhan: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:33 pm
Post subject: aruba Restaurants&crime
Two things show up on the board.One the Restaurants have gone quit a bit,and so has crime.I think it,s time that the police become more visible at night in the high rise area and downtown.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=43468


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: dkpen on April 02, 2007, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Hi!

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not so thought I would add it. It's an accident resulting in death. More than likely the "Jet-sku" company didn't give good instructions on jet-sky safety and usesage. Per Aruba.


Posted by cee: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Sad News
Just heard on my local news tonight that a 44 year old man (last name Powers) from Massachusetts was killed in Aruba on a jet ski. He leaves behind his wife and 4 children. My prayers go out to his family. It is in the local paper, but in Spanish.

The highlight in the DIARIO (local paper in PAPIAMENTO, not spanish),
Mr. Powers family were all vacationing in Aruba. He and one child were on one waverunner, and two other children of his , were on another waverunner. These two waverunners ran into each other , resulting in Mr. Powers death. This accident occurred Friday afternoon, a very, very sad situation.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/31/


spell check: jet-ski


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2007, 03:48:59 AM
MsMarple,
Your recently posted response to yet another travel writer ignoring crime in Aruba is excellent and I think should be added here.

After all, it was the claim of just two such travel writers that inspired us to start this thread in the first place, their claim of one murder in Aruba in the last twenty years when we knew full well we were seeing murders with alarming frequencies in the Aruban newspapers.

And I do note with the exception of these giddy travel writers, Aruba no longer seems to make that ridiculous claim of being totally crime free.  Like many of the other islands, they now admit that tourists should exercise caution.  Too bad they were not far more honest about this before Natalee Holloway disappeared with not a trace ever being reported as having been found.

Had they done so, it's likely that particular group would never have chosen Aruba as its destination for their graduation trip.  But then, that was the point in withholding the information concerning Aruba's high crime rate.

So please post that here if you feel so inclined.  It isn't about a particular crime but it does apply in that it shows the travel writers are still portraying Aruba as safe when in fact it is far more dangerous than many areas and has a murder rate at least as high, and most of the time we have checked, higher than that of the U.S. and the crimes usually happen in or around the tourist sectors.

Anna


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 06, 2007, 03:56:37 AM
dkpen - Thanks!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 06, 2007, 04:22:20 PM
I posted this on the LCD Friday 04/06/2007:

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OMG! No wonder Diario has been looking/acting different these last couple of days ...

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Diario turns to Queen

ORANJESTAD – In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario.

That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ‘safeguard our constitutional rights’.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 06, 2007, 04:31:43 PM
Clay Pigeon posted the link to this on the FP, in comments re. the Boycott Diario story. I believe this is at Easy's web site. These are Jossy's comments.

I have spaced some lines differently, to make a list ...

"The MEP party is a party of delinquents and promotes delinquency (a Minister (Ramon Lee) who raped a woman, was accused by her to the Police, and was never even questioned!

Another Minister (Rudy Croes)who brought in young girls from Santo Domingo and wanted to force them into prostitution with him and his friends;

another Minister (Nilo Swaen) who was accused by his own department head of manipulating figures to make the government look good;

another Minister (Rudy Croes again) whose departments sold permits to foreigners, and under whom driver's licenses were also being sold;

another Minister (the Prime Minister Nelson Oduber) who is a habitual liar and will stop at nothing to carry out his Chavez-inclined plans for Aruba;

members of Parliament of the MEP party who were caught by the police in drunken driving (Junior Arends)

and hit and run (Robert Maduro);

and so much more delinquency and violations of our laws it would take an encyclopedia to hold them! THESE ARE ALL PROVEN FACTS! not lies or inventions made up to slander them. They are a group of the most corrupt public figures ever to participate in Aruban politics. Just go over the Holloway case, and now the Michael Saladin case, and you immediately know the anti-American sentiments of those now in power in Aruba.

To answer the stupid allegations in that MEP inspired and promoted piece of garbage:

1. I never funded any party in Aruba, much less the one Glenbert Croes started because Nelson Oduber, the actual Prime Minister, forbade him to participate in the party his father (Betico) founded. He was so disgusted with that prohibition that he decided, with a few friends his age, to start his own party called the OLA. This is another FACT! When you make this kind of allegation, you better have the necessary proofs (documents, transfer of money, etc.) to back up your allegation. In this case it is non-existent! Just another lie propagated by the corrupt officials who have now been discovered in the biggest of their foul deeds!

Do you remember the Holloway case and the flagrant cover-up that is going on? Well, this party will stop at nothing to slander and invent things that do not exist, or to harm Americans or American interests on the island).

2. The manifestations in front of the Government building in the past were about to get seriously out of hand by the violence inspired by the MEP party fanatics (car burning, invasion and destruction of government property, etc.) that I did meet with one labor leader to put sense into his head. That is another FACT impossible to deny!

3. I never met and have nothing to do with the Namdar group. Ask the FBI to interrogate Richad Lacle, who will soon be serving a prison sentence in Florida, to find out who is behind this group that offered a big bribe to Nelson Odbuer's party and was never denounced to the police or the prosecutors in Aruba. My attention was brought to this case by the revelation of a letter containing a bribery of 1 million guilders to Nelson Oduber and his party. The man to whom the letter was addressed is Michael Williams, ex-campaigner for the MEP party, and who is now in Holland in contact with the Dutch authorities. Williams stated unequivocally that he gave the original to Marisol Tromp (another MEP Minister), to Frerdis Refunjol, actual Governor in Aruba, and to Nelson Oduber (Prime Minister) and Edison Briezen (Minister of Tourism). None of these ever denounced the offered bribery to the authorities! This case is far from having reached the end. It is now beginning on an international level. I wouldn't be surprised if in the U.S., Effy Namdar will be arrested and interrogated with regards to this offered bribe. It's his signature that appears in the bribery letter! U.S. Laws strictly forbid this kind of commercial outright purchase of local and foreign officials in Government, regardless of how easy it is to buy the officials now in power!

4. When the previous government (AVP) was way off track, it was I and the DIARIO who confronted it and brought its government down. Not the MEP party, because they didn't have the credibility to convince anyone that they could do better. They lied their way through the campaign and were able to win with the DIARIO's help. I do not cater to any party in government or to any government! That too is a proven FACT.

5. There is no set up in this case, only the TRUTH! And it came out with a signed letter by Effy Namdar with a one million guilder bribery offer to the MEP party for the purchase of 100 acres of prime land at the port. Can you imagine the corruption involved here? And whether Nel Oduber, the habitual liar and head of the most corrupt government ever in Aruba, likes it or not, the DIARIO will do whatever it takes to stop the sale of public property against the offered 1 million guilders in the form BRIBERY!"


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 06, 2007, 04:33:03 PM
Meant to say - I really wanted to post the above, because we have not had the benefit of translations of so many of these things we've been reading in Diario. It is good to have the clarification.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 09, 2007, 08:52:39 AM
Okay, Anna, here you go ... Carpe Noctum posted the travel article on the LCD 04/05/2007. I believe it also went on the SM Front Page over the weekend.

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msmarple posted Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:06 am --    

Yo Carpe - I have Carpe Noctem-ed and sent a comment to this article, which you brought to our attention this morning.

http://ny.metro.us/metro/entertainment/article/Arriba_Aruba/7806.html


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Arriba Aruba!
Get on a plane and take that vacation

by donna m. airoldi / metro new york

APR 4, 2007

ARUBA. Overworked? Burned out? Or simply want to jump-start your summer tan? Why not head to Aruba, one of the Caribbean’s most accessible islands.

My fiancé and I were in need of some serious warm-weather rejuvenation recently and the myriad flights to the Queen Beatrix International Airport — enhanced by JetBlue Airways’ daily service launched from John F. Kennedy International Airport last year — made Aruba an easy choice.

On the drive from the airport, we spotted iguanas lounging on the trunks of the island’s iconic divi-divi trees, which are sculpted into graceful bending shapes by Aruba’s constant trade winds. The beautiful stretches of beach, piercing turquoise waters and gorgeous orange sunset assured us we were on our way to renewal.

Located just 15 miles off the coast of South America, this former Dutch colony isn’t your typical island paradise: Much of its 70 square miles is desert, with cacti, rock formations and sand dunes. The north and east coasts are stunning, but rugged and hammered by rough waters. De Palm Tours (depalm.com), the island’s main tour company, offers a 4x4 jeep safari to this side that includes stops at the Chapel of Alto Vista, Aruba’s first church, and the remains of abandoned gold mines. (The name Aruba comes from oro ruba, which means “red gold.”)

Visitors seeking typical sun and sand activities should stick to Aruba’s western coast. The island’s winds make parasailing, windsurfing and kitesurfing popular, while snorkeling and scuba diving enthusiasts can explore numerous coral reefs and ship wrecks. During our Pelican Adventures (pelican-aruba.com) snorkeling excursion, which offered lunch and unlimited beverages (such as refreshing rum punches), we saw a wide variety of marine life, including a small octopus.

Aruba got a bad rap after Natalee Holloway went missing in 2005, but those who know Aruba know the island is safe — and more than $250 million has been invested into its tourism industry, according to the Aruba Tourism Authority, with many hotel renovations wrapping up in recent months.

We stayed at the Westin Aruba Resort (westin.com/aruba), which debuted in December after completing phase one of a multimillion dollar upgrade of the former Wyndham hotel. Each guestroom boasts private balconies with ocean views and the aptly named Westin Heavenly Bed.

The resort sits on the south end of Palm Beach, arguably the best stretch, being cleaner, softer and less rocky than the rest. Anchoring the opposite end is the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino (arubamarriott.com), which recently expanded its casino and also renovated rooms. Between the two properties are more than a dozen other hotels — such as the surprisingly attractive Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba (aruba.sunspreeresorts.com) and the Hyatt Regency Aruba Resort & Casino (aruba.hyatt.com).

The Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino opened its luxurious Larimar Spa (larimarspaaruba.com) in February. The 80-minute Aloe Vera and Rum Massage, the spa’s signature treatment, costs $175. My thoroughly enjoyable, 60-minute Relaxing Massage at the Westin’s Intermezzo Day Spa was a comparative bargain at $75.

Happy hours abound in the beach bars, where drinks often cost no more than $3 or $4 during the early evening. For continued beverage bargains, hit the numerous hotel casinos. Be warned that beer comes in small bottles. Better for it to remain cold, locals say.

Meals, on the other hand, are more costly, but the food is terrific. Moist conch fritters and savory coconut shrimp appetizers at the over-water Pelican Nest Bar & Seafood Grill will set you back $8.25 and $16.50, respectively. Restaurants at the Westin were excellent, particularly its Pago Pago Steakhouse and the outdoor Azul, where guests dine barefoot beachside.

Our dining highlight was at Le Dôme Restaurant (ledome-aruba.com), located near Eagle Beach and specializing in Belgian-French cuisine. The Dover sole melted in our mouths, and if you’re a fan of offal, the sweetbreads are not to be missed.

We packed in a lot, but didn’t get to it all. Luckily JetBlue adds another direct flight out of JFK May 1.

Aruba travel

- As of January, passports are required for U.S. citizens, who upon their return go through customs in Aruba rather than in the United States.

- The equator is just 11 miles south, so strong sunscreen (the locally produced Aruba Aloe is recommended) and hats are a must.

- Aruba is south of the hurricane belt — the last tropical storm classified as such that passed near the island was in 1877 — making it a safe bet for vacations year-round.

- The local currency is the Aruba florin, though U.S. dollars are widely accepted, and ATMs give the option of receiving either.
 

Here is my response:

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"Aruba got a bad rap after Natalee Holloway went missing in 2005" for a good reason - not only is she still "missing," but Aruba's government and business officials went to great lengths to avoid prosecution of the the Holloway case.

They also went to amazing lengths to officially and systematically trash the victim and her family.

Aruba is "safe" compared to what? Despite what you travel writers have been told, Aruba's homicide rate in recent years is at least twice, possibly three times, the U.S. rate.

I don't have a "blog" but for more information about Murder & Crime on Aruba, go here:
http://tinyurl.com/wjjsz

Ms. Airoldi, if YOU or a relative or close friend vanished from Aruba, and the case was handled in a like manner, dismissive comments such as yours would rub very raw indeed.

And yes, I believe Natalee is dead, and Aruba would do anything rather than prosecute the fair-haired child of one of its leading Dutch citizens.

I don't know any of Ms. Holloway's family, but I raised two daughters and have two granddaughters. I can only think, "There but for the grace of God ... "

I do give permission to publish this, but please do not include my name or any other personal information. There is a very hateful anti-Holloway community out there. Many of them are computer savy, and hacking is the least of the problems they have created. If you would like to see some of that in action, look up Refugees Unleashed or Freedom of Blog.

Thank you.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 09, 2007, 11:27:41 PM
Dana had Jossy Mansur on his program 04/09/2007, and Jossy discussed the MEP boycott of Diario, as well as answering some other questions.

Angie911Dispatcher transcribed these parts - these are excerpts (Thanks Angie!):

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Jossy said you never know if they have to be concened for their saftey for him or his staff.. he watched out for that. You never know?

Diaro wont be silenced Jossy said. Wants to know who got the money and when.
Jossy said anything in Aruba.. anything can happen.

Jossy said he will not be shut up.. exposes corruption.. and when govt is exposed. they want to shut them up.

JOssy was told to keep quiet and not give interviews. The truth the way they see it needs to be silenced. Jossy said he will never do it.

How can we listeners help with this.
Jossy said Write to Miama.. Press association? (I cant understand him that well)
Jossy said this kind of dictatorship attiutde wont be tolerated

Dana asked about the 17 yr old boy that was missing..
Jossy said this boy ran away from home.. to St Nikolas.
Boy is back home now.

Why was greg Kelly killed in Holland?
fight broke out while drinking in bar.. no additional news to that.
From police in Holland case is closed

Dana asking about Max Devries

Jossy knows very little. His name doesn't appear in the computers or police recrods now?



And Lala'sMom caught these parts (Thanks Lalas!):

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Jossy said that the problem is more than just the Holloway case. He said he was told to keep quite and not say anything. Wants the govt to look good.

Jossy says there is a strong tie with Chavez and the MEP. He says people are seen travelling to Venezuela. Emphasizes strong ties with the Chavez govt.

He is going to investigate the bribery and who got the money. Says you have to go after the people that got the bribe.

Wever that was identifying himself as a minister in Aruba, got a large sum of money and bought his freedom.

Corruption in Aruba...Jossy says that he hasn't heard much on Holloway case. Has a man in Holland trying to talk with the people that took the Holloway documents about the Holloway case with them. He has a man there.

The Press Association Jossy mentioned:
Inter American Press Association
Jules Dubois Building
1801 S.W. 3rd Avenue
Miami, Florida 33129
Tel: (305) 634-2465
Fax: (305) 635-2272

http://www.sipiapa.org/default.cfm  

(The Contact Us button provides an email form.)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 16, 2007, 08:35:02 AM
Another child abuse story; 04/16/2007 Diario. This is the online Pap translation.

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diabierna at corte did take lugar the caso in cual rosendo henriquez owing to wordo acusa of owing to abusa sexualmente of child muher of brother muher of his casa. this will did take lugar for of 2004 till cu july 2006, in cual period the child muher was have 9 year till cu 11 year. fiscal owing to trece fast cu the acusacion is encera cu r. will owing to penetra part intimo of the hobencita cu his finger y his penis. also is so cu the will owing to happen his penis in cara of the child muher. henriquez in his declaracion at police y in corte owing to stay stop upstairs cu the not owing to make nothing cu the child muher. huez owing to read part of the dossier of the caso in cual have stop cu one denuncia owing to wordo entrega, after cu cousin of the child muher owing to count ; mother die child muher, cu henriquez owing to touch cune at one as sexual y cu the will owing to bay more far also. the mother owing to count ; police thing his child owing to conte. the child muher owing to count ; cu at dado instant hour cu the was his only rosendo that the is calling “omo chen”, owing to less his pania y owing to place his part intimo, in his part intimo. according declaracion of the mother, the child muher owing to tell cu uncle chen owing to bise for her not tell thing owing to sosode, because the will deny this yet. the child muher will owing to tell also cu once henriquez will owing to hibe his cas y eynan past owing to less all his cloths y owing to ask the child muher for make same. the child muher owing to deny y he owing to less his cloths, place on cama, open his pianan y owing to penetre sexualmente cu his penis. according the mother, the child muher owing to tell cu past owing to feel one dolor skerpi in his barica, because; if fuera was have one earthquake eynan. past owing to tell cu rosendo owing to puntre if past owing to like. rosendo will owing to bise also cu the have to follow till hour cu the cos blanco leave for of his penis. the child will owing to count ; his mother cu after cu uncle chen owing to pour the cos blanco on his barica, uncle chen owing to make this clean cu paper, after of cual past owing to place maravilla on barica of the child muher, for after they bath. the child muher owing to count ; also cu his uncle at various ocasion in car also owing to make same. this will owing to sosode also at home of mother of the acusado according the hobencita. once also rosendo will owing to pidie for her place his penis in his mouth y the child muher owing to tell cu past owing to hasie once, but the does not owing to hasie more. huez owing to trece fast also cu rapport of doctor not owing to show cu was have lesion or mark blauw close of part intimo of the child muher, sinembargo the “vlies of señorita”, as this know wordo calling, not was intacto. huez owing to ask about the acusado if all the acusacionnan here is berdad y past owing to tell cu not. huez owing to puntre the hour ey of con the child muher will come cu one acusacion so contra dje, if they always was have one good relacion cu another, as the acusado owing to tell. past owing to tell cu the not know. according fiscal, the detayenan give of part of the child muher owing to show cu of berdad the acusacionnan is regal. past owing to tell also cu the child muher owing to tell cu the is achieve pica for his aunt cu rosendo is close, but past owing to mantene his declaracion cu rosendo owing to abusa of dje sexualmente. fiscal owing to tell cu this is one good indicacion cu the child muher not owing to denuncia rosendo for bad, but cu past owing to hasie because he of berdad owing to abusa of dje. pesey fiscal owing to dicidi of exigi one castigo of 4 year. advocate chris lejuez representando r.h, owing to tell huez cu have to as cuenta cu the achievement cu the declaracionnan give, is make for one child muher much young y cu the can owing to wordo influencia. past owing to tell also cu hour cu his cousin owing to puntre if uncle chen owing to touch cune, at first instancia the child muher owing to tell cu not. is after cue cousin owing to follow persisti, the will owing to tell cu if. lejuez owing to trece fast also cu have inconsistencia in various of the declaracionnan. past owing to tell for example cu cousin of the child muher will owing to declara cu the child muher not owing to place part intimo of rosendo in his mouth, sinembargo the child muher self owing to tell cu past owing to make this once. lejuez owing to splica huez also cu the child muher will owing to declara also at dado instant cu one person of name or. owing to place his penis close of his part intimo. past owing to tell same of another person also. according lejuez, cas of mother of rosendo, where cu the child muher owing to tell cu also his uncle will owing to abusa of dje, for of 2001 do not wordo habita for her mother. then at none instant can is berdad cu they was eynan, because thing the child muher owing to declara, will owing to sosode at 2004. lejuez owing to show also on the achievement cu child muhernan have trip is break the vlies of miss, without make sex. this or sosode during balet or coriendo cabay. fiscal owing to contesta cu esey is berdad, but important is cu the vlies do not intacto. because if the vlies was intacto, not can was berdad thing the child muher owing to declara. lejuez owing to ask huez for as cuenta cu the achievement cu his cliente always owing to stop upstairs cu the not owing to comete the actonan here y cu his family have have to of dje. past owing to lose his trabao end y the is abide of curazon. huez owing to tell cu the will give his veredicto on 27 of april.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 16, 2007, 10:30:10 AM
klaas posted this on LCD 04/16/2007. A searing editorial from Jossy in Diario. Emphasis added.

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Diario editorial 4/16/07 translated by Jossy from Easy's blog (thanks Easy):

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A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT (2)

The truth can hurt when it’s exposed without circumlocution! What could have led the mediocrity of the MEP party to lose their heads in such an ugly manner? Could it be the bribery of 1 million guilders? Is that what made them try to look for any distraction from this most shameful anti-Aruban act known in our history? Is it because Nel Oduber is searching for a way out of the atom-bomb that the Namdar offer exploded in his face, and that has converted Neldar into another victim that “can be bought and sold?"

Gentlemen, go ahead with your attempts to distract the attention from the offered bribery of the most shameful 1 million guilders that exists, and the delivery afterwards of our port to the same foreign group that put that money under the table! Is this or isn’t this the greatest demonstration of anti-Arubanism known until now? Must the Aruban continue on the path of the cross to get his rights, while the foreigners with money can just wave a few bills in their faces to at once get the permits or properties they want? Just consider all the cases that the most anti-Aruban government has lost in court so far! Two great doctors, real Arubans, Lacle and Posner, had to take the path of the cross to get their rights, and even so, are being politically persecuted until this day! Is this, or isn’t this one more demonstration of the most pathetic anti-Arubanism that exists?

Then Henny Eman and Otmar Oduber, another two Arubans with a long history of political persecution coming from the same Government and members of the MEP party, hungry for vengeance, moved by hate and rancor. They too had to suffer years of political persecution, to finally obtain in Court for the truth to conquer the lies, the slanders, the ridiculous accusations, thrown at them by a Government that has characterized itself as mediocre and totally anti-Aruban!

And we could go on and on to fill this whole paper with the long list of politically persecuted Arubans, just because they think different and want the good of their people and their island. To expose the truth in a newspaper, on the radio or on television, has become for the anti-Arubans in power the cause for unbelievable hysterics, a drowning in a glass of water, and an attempt to hide the bribery offer of 1 million guilders with shouts coming from the handful of mediocrities at their disposal. Mister Neldar can turn and turn, trying to find any motive that can help him extract himself, but the 1 million guilders hang over his head like the accusation of a judge.

The day I said that Nel Oduber’s government is anti American too, I came with the proofs to demonstrate it, but I left out a couple very painful for Nel, but since he again lost control over his tongue, here are more proofs: Natalee Holloway (American) and the American girl that his son mistreated and then wanted to rape in his own home! The father, a man from Panama, sent me all the proofs, including clinical reports of physical abuse, and I didn’t publish them for discretion’s sake and for consideration of a person that does not deserve it.

What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries, and rightly so because those in power did not lift one finger to defend the victim, but went all out behind the curtain to make the family responsible for the negative image Aruba got, and not against the three suspects in whose company the girl disappeared. She too is an American!

Then his unbelievably stupid anti-American statements; the case of his own son who tried to rape an American girl in his own home! Now there is another American arrested because he pulled a gun against a person that attacked his wife, then committed destruction against her property. A government that has characterized itself as an Anti-American one with unquestionable concrete proofs.

But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights! For the foreigner with money? Everything! All they have to do is…let everyone complete the sentence for himself or herself, considering the bribery offer. And for the poor foreigners who come to Aruba with his or her work specialization, another road of the cross! A merciless persecution; an extraction of the little money that they have or can borrow, to obtain the papers for a permit that often never comes! Another inhuman persecution of those that did not come to commit acts against the law (like those that many of the delinquents around Nel did commit, some with judge’s sentences hanging over their heads!), but who came to Aruba to look for a better life and to contribute to our labor market with their talents and know-hows!

Nel Oduber has become a synonym for political persecution, for implacable hatred, for “can be bought and sold”, of 1 million guilders offered to a traitor willing to deliver our port in the hands of foreigners! This is a handing-over of the worst kind, of a dictatorial attitude never before seen on an island that always held its impeccable democracy in front of the eyes of the world for it to understand that in Aruba the empire of the Law is in command. We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!


Oduber's son tried to rape an American girl in their home???  :shock:


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 17, 2007, 09:51:26 AM
Diario 04/17/2007 - fight, 2 injured, possible death ...

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Ayeranochi na Ranchostraat tabata tin a fight between two acquaintance I gave cops cu to results they give a capmento.  

Ambulans to bay na and place and to transports and kills pa hospital.  And it kills to there be a cap na its cabez.  And motibo I gave and fights not ta conoci ainda.


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/choller1.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 17, 2007, 09:57:15 AM
Diario 04/27/2007 - sounds like a purse/bag snatching:

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here by sight and two atracadornan, kendenan week passes to strike tourism and gave aruba owing to sla hard, door and gave ranca and steal bag and gave an innocent tourist on irausquin boulevard. and two atracadornan here to worde grab some minuut after and gave and act, thanks at and reaccion rapido and gave ciudadanonan ace also cops cu to ltd and gave invadi and area and gave bushiri.


Note - this and previous from online Spanish and Pap translators ....


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on April 18, 2007, 02:05:30 AM
MsMarple,
I hope we can get a translation on those two articles especially as to the location that these crimes happened.  Usually it is in the tourism sector or at least restaurants or bars where tourists could well venture.

Thanks for the good find and perhaps Sandy L will appear and translate for us.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 09:01:21 AM
Okay, have to figure out whether we know about this case.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/20/

PORFIN A DEPORTA ASESINO JESUS SANCHEZ
at last owing to deporta murderer jesus sanchez


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Riba Diahuebs, porfin Jesus Sanchez, e burdugu condena pa asesinato di Lily Zichem, a worde deporta pa Colombia.

Esnan cu a worde encarga pa deporta “Jesus” despues di sinta un condena di 10 aña den KIA, no a logra e viaha pa Colombia algun dia pasa. Capitan no a permiti Jesus viaha asina no mas abordo di e avion di Aruba pa Colombia.

Parce cu ora cu a transporta Jesus pa aeropuerto geboei, esaki a lanta cierto sospecho cu aki ta trata di un pasahero peligroso pa cual no a permiti subi avion.

Tin informe cu regla di aviacion ta permiti pa un persona peligroso mas ainda cu ta ricibi tratamento tin di worde acompaña cu man fuerte. Y na prome instancia aparentemente esaki no tabata e caso.

Jesus a worde transporta back pa KIA y despues segun informe a bin regla cu e ta worde acompaña durante di e vuelo te Colombia cu agente policial segun nos tin entendi.

Na Colombia e lo worde entrega si ta corecto den man di autoridad Colombiano DAS pa despues Jesus recobra su libertad sin no tin nada cu e lo a comete den e pais natal.


Online Pap translator:

on diahuebs, at last jesus sanchez, the hangman condena for asesinato of lily zichem, owing to worde deporta for colombia. esnan cu owing to worde encarga for deporta “jesus” after of sit one condena of 10 year in kia, not owing to succeed the viaha for colombia some day happen. capitan not owing to permiti jesus viaha so not more abordo of the plane of aruba for colombia. seems cu hour cu owing to transporta jesus for aeropuerto geboei, this owing to arise cierto suspicion cu here is deal of one passenger dangerous for cual not owing to permiti lever plane. have informe cu regulation of aviacion is permiti for one person dangerous more still cu is ricibi tratamento have of worde acompaña cu hand strong. y at first instancia apparently this not was the caso. jesus owing to worde transporta back for kia y after according informe owing to come regulation cu the is worde acompaña during of the vuelo till colombia cu agent policial according we have entendi. at colombia the will worde entrega if is corecto in hand of autoridad colombiano das for after jesus recobra his freedom without not have nothing cu the will owing to comete in the country natal.

A victim named Lily Zichem ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 12:53:10 PM
Just wanted to post this; the CIA factbook on Aruba has revised its estimated population of Aruba. Previously it was 70,000+ (don't recall exact figure).

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100,018
note: estimate based on a revision of the base population, fertility, and mortality numbers, as well as a revision of 1985-1999 migration estimates from outmigration to inmigration, which is assumed to continue into the future; the new results are consistent with the 2000 census (July 2007 est.)


I mention this here because the "murder rate" we are using (the FBI stats) uses population blocks of 50,000 ...

We have compared Aruba's murder numbers with U.S. cities of comparable population - 50,000 to 99,999 people.

Guess we'll deal with it when we get the new FBI stats for 2006.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Yes, that will just barely put them into the 100,000 range which will give a slight advantage for comparison but surely that high rate of theirs will not be maintained and steps will be taken to reduce all that crime and especially against the tourists.  Those room invasions are not something a resort area can tolerate for very long.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 21, 2007, 12:11:37 PM
Don't know whether we have this. I think today's Diario is saying the case is being postponed until May 25.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/21/

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CASO DI HOMICIDIO POSPONI

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna na corte mester a tuma lugar e caso den cual Silverio Armando Brown a wordo acusa di kita bida di un persona.

E acusacion ta bisa cu Brown a dal e homber Gomez Torres cu mokete y tambe cu un pida palo y esaki a causa su morto.

E caso a bin dilanti pro-forma. Ministerio Publico a pidi pa e caso wordo posponi, debi na e echo cu e acusado mester wordo mira pa un psicologo ainda y un rapport riba esaki mester wordo traha ainda. Huez a dicidi di pospone e caso te cu dia 25 di Mei.


Online Pap translation:

diabierna at corte have to did take lugar the caso in cual silverio armando brown owing to wordo acusa of less life of one person. the acusacion is tell cu brown owing to strike he gomez torres cu fist y also cu one piece tree y this owing to cause his dead. the caso owing to come fast pro-forma. ministerio publico owing to ask for her caso wordo posponi, debi at the achievement cu the acusado have to wordo see for one psicologo still y one rapport on this have to wordo work still. huez owing to dicidi of pospone the caso till cu day 25 of half.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 23, 2007, 02:48:56 AM
Apologies if this is a duplicate post - a good article and I don't remember whether we have this.

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=196

Natalee Holloway is Not Aruba's Only Crime Problem
 
By Jim Kouri
Aug 10, 2005  

When Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba, America and the world began to take a close look at the island.  The way they have handled the Natalee Holloway case has put the tiny islands’ police department and courts under a high powered microscope.  But if you think the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is Aruba’s only problem when it comes to the issues of crime, think again.

Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela,  the island paradise of Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.

Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.

Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.

The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.

The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, an international group of FIUs.

Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.

The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.

Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.

Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.

Sources: Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute

Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 25, 2007, 09:22:35 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nice protest photo on Amigoe Dutch today.  Can't wait for the English translation:

http://www.amigoe.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/04-24-protest-choller.jpg)


Amigoe.com - http://www.amigoe.com/english/ - 04/25/2007:

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Protest against the choller problem again  

A group of concerned citizens protested for the second time in a short period of time the inconvenience of chollers that according to them have increased enormously.

ORANJESTAD – A second protest march for Michael Saladin and against the choller problem took place on Monday afternoon.  The march started in front of the court house and finished at the parliamentary building, where Chairman Mervin Wyatt-Ras accepted a petition from Eveline ‘Lienchi’ Merryweather, who led the protest march.      

The first protest was more an expression of support for Saladin and this second one focused more on the inconvenience of the chollers.  The protesters want the government to tackle this problem as soon as possible, by moving the relief center Dak riba Cabez elsewhere, away from the center of town.  

The protesters are not sure whether this protest will help, because the problem with the chollers is too big, and it won’t go away by itself.  But if nothing happens, the protesters will hit the street again.  Nobody knows how many chollers are currently wandering the streets.  The Centro di Informacion pa Asuntonan di Droga is since February busy inventorying.  This is actually the first time that the number of chollers is being counted.

How many protesters have signed the petition is not known.  The police say that there were more than 100 people at the start of the march and most of them have signed the petition right there.  When she accepted the petition, Wyatt-Ras said that she “will communicate the concern of the protesters to the parliament members”.  She emphasized that a solution for the problem is bigger than just tackling the inconvenience in the town center.  It is more important to do more against the selling of drugs and more attention must be paid in the schools to prevent young people from using drugs at a young age.


I posted Diario's article about this yesterday. Wasn't this Merryweather guy the one who led the protest against Beth?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 25, 2007, 09:39:41 AM
Just thought about this - some may not know - "choller" is the word for "drug addict" on Aruba.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 25, 2007, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas posted this on LCD 04/16/2007. A searing editorial from Jossy in Diario. Emphasis added.

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Diario editorial 4/16/07 translated by Jossy from Easy's blog (thanks Easy):

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A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT (2)

The truth can hurt when it’s exposed without circumlocution! What could have led the mediocrity of the MEP party to lose their heads in such an ugly manner? Could it be the bribery of 1 million guilders? Is that what made them try to look for any distraction from this most shameful anti-Aruban act known in our history? Is it because Nel Oduber is searching for a way out of the atom-bomb that the Namdar offer exploded in his face, and that has converted Neldar into another victim that “can be bought and sold?"

Gentlemen, go ahead with your attempts to distract the attention from the offered bribery of the most shameful 1 million guilders that exists, and the delivery afterwards of our port to the same foreign group that put that money under the table! Is this or isn’t this the greatest demonstration of anti-Arubanism known until now? Must the Aruban continue on the path of the cross to get his rights, while the foreigners with money can just wave a few bills in their faces to at once get the permits or properties they want? Just consider all the cases that the most anti-Aruban government has lost in court so far! Two great doctors, real Arubans, Lacle and Posner, had to take the path of the cross to get their rights, and even so, are being politically persecuted until this day! Is this, or isn’t this one more demonstration of the most pathetic anti-Arubanism that exists?

Then Henny Eman and Otmar Oduber, another two Arubans with a long history of political persecution coming from the same Government and members of the MEP party, hungry for vengeance, moved by hate and rancor. They too had to suffer years of political persecution, to finally obtain in Court for the truth to conquer the lies, the slanders, the ridiculous accusations, thrown at them by a Government that has characterized itself as mediocre and totally anti-Aruban!

And we could go on and on to fill this whole paper with the long list of politically persecuted Arubans, just because they think different and want the good of their people and their island. To expose the truth in a newspaper, on the radio or on television, has become for the anti-Arubans in power the cause for unbelievable hysterics, a drowning in a glass of water, and an attempt to hide the bribery offer of 1 million guilders with shouts coming from the handful of mediocrities at their disposal. Mister Neldar can turn and turn, trying to find any motive that can help him extract himself, but the 1 million guilders hang over his head like the accusation of a judge.

The day I said that Nel Oduber’s government is anti American too, I came with the proofs to demonstrate it, but I left out a couple very painful for Nel, but since he again lost control over his tongue, here are more proofs: Natalee Holloway (American) and the American girl that his son mistreated and then wanted to rape in his own home! The father, a man from Panama, sent me all the proofs, including clinical reports of physical abuse, and I didn’t publish them for discretion’s sake and for consideration of a person that does not deserve it.

What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries, and rightly so because those in power did not lift one finger to defend the victim, but went all out behind the curtain to make the family responsible for the negative image Aruba got, and not against the three suspects in whose company the girl disappeared. She too is an American!

Then his unbelievably stupid anti-American statements; the case of his own son who tried to rape an American girl in his own home! Now there is another American arrested because he pulled a gun against a person that attacked his wife, then committed destruction against her property. A government that has characterized itself as an Anti-American one with unquestionable concrete proofs.

But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights! For the foreigner with money? Everything! All they have to do is…let everyone complete the sentence for himself or herself, considering the bribery offer. And for the poor foreigners who come to Aruba with his or her work specialization, another road of the cross! A merciless persecution; an extraction of the little money that they have or can borrow, to obtain the papers for a permit that often never comes! Another inhuman persecution of those that did not come to commit acts against the law (like those that many of the delinquents around Nel did commit, some with judge’s sentences hanging over their heads!), but who came to Aruba to look for a better life and to contribute to our labor market with their talents and know-hows!

Nel Oduber has become a synonym for political persecution, for implacable hatred, for “can be bought and sold”, of 1 million guilders offered to a traitor willing to deliver our port in the hands of foreigners! This is a handing-over of the worst kind, of a dictatorial attitude never before seen on an island that always held its impeccable democracy in front of the eyes of the world for it to understand that in Aruba the empire of the Law is in command. We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!


Oduber's son tried to rape an American girl in their home???  :shock:


Wanted to post that apparently Oduber's son had an America girlfriend. When she tried to break up is when the assult occurred. (That is the "back story" and I do not know if correct, or any other details.)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2007, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"


I posted Diario's article about this yesterday. Wasn't this Merryweather guy the one who led the protest against Beth?




JOHN MERRYWEATHER - FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT


John Merryweather
'Scarborough Country'
July 6, 2005


SCARBOROUGH:  It sounds like things are really heating up in Aruba.  Give us the very latest.  

RON BLOME, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, they like to call this their slogan, one happy island.  But this fabric of politeness is what being frayed here.  There was a rally scheduled for last night for justice.  But after Beth Holloway came on the air yesterday and was very direct in calling the Kalpoe brothers criminals who had been left to walk the island, well, this protest last night turned into something else.  It was a protest against the media, and also against the very sharp language that Beth Twitty had used yesterday.

SCARBOROUGH:  One man who does understand it, though, is our next guest.  He is John Merryweather.  He's a former Aruban minister and was a participant in yesterday's protest.  Mr. Merryweather, thank you so much for being with us tonight.  Tell us, why were you involved in that protest?  What do you think that Natalee's mother did wrong?
 
JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT:  Well, first—no, no, first of all, I'd like to answer why I was at the—not protest.  It was a gathering in support of our justice system.  It was not a protest.  It never started out as a protest either.  I would like that to be very, very clear.  When I was there, I hadn't heard what the comments of Natalee's mother either of the day.  I was asked that after I was there.  I went there.  I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 25, 2007, 01:48:34 PM
Thanks Tamikosmom.

A clarification:

John Merryweather is the person involved with the demonstration against Beth (or in support of Aruba's Justice system). That was in 2005.

Eveline Merryweather organized a demonstration, reported in Diario 04/24/2007, against the "chollers" (drug addicts).

(And I had thought these two Merryweathers were one in the same, but that is not the case.)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 06:27:59 PM
Looks like an attempted suicide?
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/313/8/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/images%20april%202007/apr%2018%20-%20apr%2025/caynaawa%20front.JPG)

Intento di suicidio na Malmok        
Wednesday, 18 April 2007  

Diaranson anochi den e area di Malmok un dama hoben a trata na pone fin na su bida. Den vecindario di e barancanan na Malmok e dama aki a bula na awa. Inoficialmente e informe ta bisa cu e dama no tawata sa landa. Autoridad a yega serca y logra di salba e dama for di awa. A hibe den ambulance pero su situacion no tawata mucho grave.

A disdi di toch hibe hospital pa un check up. Nos investigacion ta mustra cu for di diasabra e dama aki tawata cana rond cu e idea pa termina su bida. E ta sufri di depression y tawata bisa su conocirnan cu e ta bay laga nan. Diaranson anochi e la disidi na tuma paso di loke e tawata papia den e dianan anterior. Papiando na telefon cu un amigo a bini na cla naunda e tawata.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 05:40:29 AM
Thanks klaas. Here's the online Pap translation of the above. Apparently this person attempted suicide by drowning; sounds like she may have jumped from something ("fly at water") into the ocean.

attempt of suicidio at malmok
wednesday, 18 april 2007

diaranson night in the area of malmok one lady young owing to deal at place end at his life. in vecindario of the barancanan at malmok the lady here owing to fly at water. inoficialmente the informe is tell cu the lady not tawata know swim. autoridad owing to arrive serca y succeed of save the lady for of water. owing to hibe in ambulance but his situation not tawata mucho important.

owing to disdi of yet hibe hospital for one check up. we investigacion is show cu for of saturday the lady here tawata march rond cu the idea for termina his life. the is abide of depression y tawata tell his conocirnan cu the is bay let they. diaranson night the la disidi at take pace of thing the tawata talk in the dianan anterior. papiando at telephone cu one amigo owing to come at cla naunda the tawata.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 03, 2007, 09:50:58 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/3/

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Victima a keda cu su cara full na sanger:
SEÑORA A HINCA AMANTE DI SU CASA CU SCHROEFDRAAIER
 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ayeranochi, un incidente inusual a keda reporta ora cu dos dama, un arubiano y otro stranhero, a topa na un restaurant di “fast food” na Santa Cruz y e ora ey un pelea formal a cuminza.

Segun datonan colecta na e sitio di e incidente, e pleito entre e dos señoranan aki tabata debi na e hecho cu un di nan, esta, e stranhero a pidi un lift pa bay cumpra cuminda pe y pa su yiu na e restaurant aki. Eynan, el a bin topa cu su auto maneha pa un muher.

Ta asina cu ta su casa a bay trabao cu su auto, pero ta parce, el a haya hamber y a pidi su supuesto amante, un persona local, bay cumpra cuminda pe sin pensa cu eynan e lo a topa cu su propio casa.


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Online Pap translator:

Quote
victima owing to stay cu his cara full at sanger:
madam owing to hinca lover of his casa cu schroefdraaier


oranjestad (aan): last, one incidente inusual owing to stay reporta hour cu two lady, one aruban y another foreigner, owing to come across at one restaurant of “fast food” at santa cruz y the hour ey one action serious owing to cuminza.

according datonan colecta at the sitio of the incidente, the quarrel among the two señoranan here was debi at the mature cu one of they, esta, the foreigner owing to ask one lift for bay cumpra cuminda pe y for his child at the restaurant here. eynan, past owing to come come across cu his car maneha for one muher.

is so cu is his {??} casa owing to bay trabao cu his car, but is seems, past owing to achieve hungry y owing to ask his supuesto lover, one person local, bay cumpra cuminda pe without think cu eynan the will owing to come across cu his own casa.


No idea what happened here.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 04, 2007, 09:33:39 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/4/

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Un di e 4 “Colombiano” ta reacciona riba noticia...
LOKE BARTENDER A HACI CU CLIENTE


ORANJESTAD (AAN) Yesid Arias Tamayo, un di e 4 “Colombianonan” ta gradici Diario pa e oportunidad pa alcara e noticia cu a sali den Diario dia 2 di mei 2007 bou e titulo “Cuatro Colombiano cu a bebe sin paga a keda deteni”.

Nan ta spera cu e articulo cu a sali publica no ta (solamente) basa ariba informacion di polis, pasobra e forma di proceder di Recherche den e caso aki ta alemenos hopi cuestionabel. Na prome lugar tres di nos ta Colombiano cu pasport Hulandes y un ta Venezolano.

Nos tur tin hopi aña biba na Aruba sin ningun problema. Na prome instante solamente tres di nos a yega na e lugar na Boegoeroei ariba brommer y nos a bebe dos cerves cada un, mas nos a treat algun conoci eynan. Na momento cu nos a pidi e cuenta esey a sali Afl. 59,00. Manera costumber nos a pone Afl. 60,00 boa di e boter bashi y nos a sali bay. Ora nos tabata ariba e parking lot y nos tabata wak un di nos bromernan cu pa a cai abou e bartender a sali pafo y a grita nos pa ladron y mas cos menos bunita. Nos a puntra kico ta su problema y e a acusa nos cu nos kier a sali sin paga. Despues un discusion chiquito nos a dicidi di paga atrobe pa evita mas problema.

Nos a bay na e cas di Jean Carlos na unda nos a yama Juan David, pasobra e tabata su brommer cu a cai abou. E a bin pa check su brommer. Despues nos a bay cu auto di Gustavo cerca un otro amigo na Palm Beach na unda nos a come sopi. For di eynan nos kier a bay Moomba, pero pasobra e tabata mucho trempan nos a dicidi di bay back na Perle D’Or pa tuma un par di cervez mas.

Eynan Juan Carlos y Juan David, e dos cu no tabata tey mas trempan cu nos, a sinta pafo y nos a drenta paden. Mi a acerca un hende cu tabata sali for di bar y mi a puntr’e si e ta traha na e lugar. El a bisa mi cu si y ami puntr’e pa e otro bartender, pasobra mi no a comprende pakico nos mester a paga dos biaha.

E momento ey e bartender a pusha mi abao. Mi a lanta y a push’e back. E ora ey e a bay back den bar y mi kier a bira ora mi a sinti cu algo a dal riba mi cabez. Di biaha mi a cai abou y e bartender a bula riba mi y e a sigui hinca mi den mi cara. Mi a sinti cu nan a purba di lanta mi y carga mi for eynan y mi amigonan a pone mi den auto y nan a hiba mi hospital. Na hospital nan mester a duna mi no menos cu 61 gancho!

Eynan mi a bisa polis cu mi kier pone un keho contra e bartender. Polis a bisami dilanti e dokter y enfermeranan presente cu nan ta bay acepta ningun keho di mi! Awor cu mi a sali for di hospital mi a comprende cu mi amigonan ta sera y esun cu a hinca mi y purba di mata mi ta canando rond liberamente, pasobra supuestamente e a defende su mes.
Aparentamente pa husticia na Aruba defende bo mes tambe ta ataka hende di patras cu glas y corta su cara na momento cu e ta abou y ora e tin su wowo tapa door di sanger. E unico cos cu mi amigonan a haci ta hiba mi hospital pa evita algo peor pasa cu mi y pa e motibo ey nan ta deteni y e berdadera criminal ta cana rond. Mi no lo acepta esey y lo haci tur cos locual ley ta permiti mi pa husticia vence. E ultimo pregunta cu mi tin pa Recherche y fiscal ta cu si nos tabata Arubiano nan a actua mes cos.


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Online Pap translation:

oranjestad (aan) yesid arias tamayo, one of the 4 “colombianonan” is gradici daily paper for her oportunidad for alcara the news cu owing to leave in daily paper day 2 of half 2007 under the titulo “cuatro colombiano cu owing to drink without pay owing to stay deteni”.

they're wait for cu the articulo cu owing to leave publica do not (solamente) basa upstairs informacion of police, because the form of proceder of recherche in the caso here is alemenos much cuestionabel. at first lugar three of we is colombiano cu passport dutch y one is venezolano.

we all have much year live at aruba without none problem. at first instant only three of we owing to arrive at the lugar at boegoeroei upstairs brommer y we owing to drink two cerves cada one, more we owing to treat some conoci eynan. at instant cu we owing to ask the cuenta esey owing to leave afl. 59,00. as costumber we owing to place afl. 60,00 boa of the boter bashi y we owing to leave bay. hour we was upstairs the parking lot y we was look at one of we bromernan cu for owing to cai downstairs the bartender owing to leave pafo y owing to bark we for thief y more cos less beautiful. we owing to ask about kico is his problem y the owing to acusa we cu we wanted owing to leave without pay. after one discusion chiquito we owing to dicidi of pay again for evita more problem.

we owing to bay at the cas of jean carlos at where we owing to calling juan david, because the was his brommer cu owing to cai downstairs. the owing to come for check his brommer. after we owing to bay cu car of gustavo close one another amigo at palm beach at where we owing to come sopi. for of eynan we wanted owing to bay moomba, but because the was mucho trempan we owing to dicidi of bay back at perle d’or for take one pair of cervez more.

eynan juan carlos y juan david, the two cu not was tey more trempan cu we, owing to sit pafo y we owing to enter inside. i have acerca a cu was leave for of bar y i have puntr’e if the is work at the lugar. past owing to tell my cu if y i puntr’e for her another bartender, because my not owing to comprende pakico we have to owing to pay two trip.

the instant ey the bartender owing to push my abao. i have arise y owing to push’e back. the hour ey the owing to bay back in bar y my wanted owing to become hour i have feel cu algo owing to strike on my cabez. of trip i have cai downstairs y the bartender owing to fly on my y the owing to follow hinca my in my cara. i have feel cu they owing to try of arise my y carga my for eynan y my amigonan owing to place my in car y they owing to take away my hospital. at hospital they have to owing to give my not less cu 61 gancho!

eynan i have tell police cu my wanted place one complaint contra the bartender. police owing to bisami fast the doctor y enfermeranan present cu they're bay acepta none complaint of my! now cu i have leave for of hospital i have comprende cu my amigonan is close y esun cu owing to hinca my y try of kill i am canando rond liberamente, because supuestamente the owing to defende his self.

aparentamente for husticia at aruba defende do you self also is access person of behind cu glass y clip his cara at instant cu the is downstairs y hour the have his eye tapa door of blood. the unique cos cu my amigonan owing to haci is take away my hospital for evita algo worse happen cu my y for her motibo ey they're deteni y the berdadera criminal is march rond. my not will acepta esey y will haci all cos locual ley is permiti my for husticia conquer. the ultimo question cu i have for recherche y fiscal is cu if we was aruban they owing to actua self cos.

***

I *think* that some guys having beers left money on the table as they left a restaurant/bar. They then were accused of leaving without paying; possibly someone swiped the money off the table. Bartender/owner (s) chased them down.

I *think* they offered to pay again, and/or asked perhaps for more beer to go, hoping to avoid an altercation/problem. Nonetheless, at least one of them got beat up and requried stitches.

At the hospital, he asked for the police and wanted to file a complaint. The police apparently refused to make a report.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:22:02 AM
Diferente morto den menos cu dos ora      
 http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
 
Wednesday, 09 May 2007  
Entre diamars anochi 11 or y diaranson marduga 12 or y mey Aruba a hanja un shock cu e morto di tres persona na diferente lugar. Ta trata aki di un suicidio, un accidente fatal y un tiramento. Dentro di poco e prome imagenan.  


Through translator - looks like 3 deaths tonight in Aruba.  Another suicide

various dead in less cu two hour wednesday, 09 may 2007 among tuesday night 11 or y diaranson marduga 12 or y mey aruba owing to hanja one shock cu the dead of three person at various lugar. is deal here of one suicidio, one accidente fateful y one tiramento. dentro of some the first imagenan. come across


This photo is with the article regarding the person who committed suicide.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 03:36:38 PM
Apparently is IS a hanging. Link to video from local media (also covers 2 other deaths, auto accidents):

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 04:13:51 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/

Diario story about the hanging and the "electric car" death, which sounds to be possibly more than an accident?

Here's the online Pap translation:

oranjestad (aan): tuesday was one night violento! was 11:02 therefore.m. cu owing to achieve know cu a posiblemente owing to comete suicidio at bubali plas at the observation tower at another near of the mill resort. here autoridad owing to come achieve one man horca at the part more abao of the toren. eybanda had one electric car of the compania ec rent aruba cu the number v-5820. till at ciere of edicion awemadruga for 2:00 owing to.m., autoridad not owing to divulga name of the person here, because; cu his family till still not owing to worde notifica. pesey owing to ask daily paper for not divulga this still. but the is one person of aruba, y have indicacion cu recien past owing to cumpra one of the autonan electrico here for of the compania. recherche y personal tecnico of police owing to bay at the lugar for investiga all detaye, for check if the is one suicidio or one homicidio. in the car electrico can owing to see one ice-jug y some cups. the was miss one keds at his leg, y had one serbette lora rond of uno of they. funeraria zepp wever owing to transporta the restonan deadly. at family of fayecido is bay word of condolencia.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/hanging5_9.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:38:15 PM
Of course the obvious question about the hanging victim is where is his other shoe?  Is that some kind of bandage around his ankle?

I can't tell from the photo.  There is also a video of the suicide scene before the victim is removed as well, something I have difficulty adjusting to seeing.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
klaas posted this on the LCD 05/09/2007:

Posted today by MF at FOB:

Quote
Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 11:19:16 AM
MsMarple,
I have forgotten what page your excellent SUMMARY is located on.

Could you post the SUMMARY page or bring it forward and repost so it will be easier for folks like me to find?

Thank you!

.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 11, 2007, 05:09:12 AM
More on the 3 deaths in 90 minutes, on 05/08/2007:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/10/
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Mortonan tragico a conmociona Aruba

ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Relaciona cu e caso lamentable na e uitkijk post na Bubali Plas, na unda algun turista a bati alarma ora cu nan a topa un colega masculino cu no tabata duna señal di bida. Ta asina cu diamars anochi tabata manera un nubia scur a pasa riba nos isla muy en particular parti noord di Aruba.

Tabata tin tres caso fatal a wordo raporta tras di otro, manera e cabez riba portada di Diario mes ta menciona: den 90 minuut tres persona a perde nan biba. Uno den accidente di auto riba sasaki weg, na unda e vehiculo maneha pa e hoben Andrick Edward Loopstok di 17 aña, a keda tur troci- den un solo palabra- na werki.

Practicamente e slanan cu e hoben a ricibi tabata fatal. Mientras tanto Angel Francisco Bolivar, naci 27 di juli 1958 na Venezuela, a wordo tira mata. Polis a actua cu rapidez pa por detene dos sospechoso Colombiano, un di e hombernan tin 17 y e otro 25 aña, un rato despues cu nan a transporta e propio victima pa hospital y lage atras na poli.

Segun informe e victima, Angel Bolivar, aparentemente lo ta doño di un compania di construccion. Aparentemente, segun informe, e victima lo tabata den compania di un cantidad di coleganan (empleadonan di trabou), den un bar. Dos di nan aparentemente lo a asalte, kita basta placa for di dje y hasta dispara riba dje cu consecuencia fatal.

Locual ta e homber cu a pone un fin na su bida: segun informe, e lo tabata confronta problema cu su salud y aparentemente e mester a bay pasa den un operacion basta serio. Pero e victima no por a contene su mes, pe sigur pa pasa den un crisis di depresion, y e lo a tuma un decision tan dificil y grandi pa pone final na su bida.

Te cu ayera mainta polis a logra localiza su famia pa pone nan na altura di e caso tristo, na unda F. F. B. naci na 1947, a pone fin na su bida . Condolencia profundo na sernan keri di e fayecidonan. Paz na nan resto.



Online Pap Translator:

mortonan tragico owing to conmociona aruba

ORANJESTAD.(AAN): relaciona cu the caso lamentable at the uitkijk post at bubali plas, at where some tourist owing to beat alarma hour cu they owing to come across one colega masculino cu not was give sign of life. is so cu tuesday night was as one cloud dark owing to happen on we island muy provided that particular part north of aruba.

was have three caso fateful owing to wordo raporta behind another, as the cabez on portada of daily paper self is menciona: in 90 minuut three person owing to lose they live. uno in accidente of car on sasaki weg, at where the vehiculo maneha for her young andrick edward loopstok of 17 year, owing to stay all troci- in one sun palabra- at werki.

practicamente the slanan cu the young owing to ricibi was fateful. all the time angel francisco bolivar, naci 27 of july 1958 at venezuela, owing to wordo throw kill. police owing to actua cu rapidez for can detene two sospechoso colombiano, one of the hombernan have 17 y the another 25 year, one rato after cu they owing to transporta the own victima for hospital y lage behind at poli.

according informe the victima, angel bolivar, apparently will is owner of one compania of construccion. apparently, according informe, the victima will was in compania of one cantidad of coleganan (empleadonan of trabou), in one bar. two of they apparently will owing to asalte, less enough coin for of dje y even dispara on dje cu consecuencia fateful.

locual is he cu owing to place one end at his bida: according informe, the will was confronta problem cu his salud y apparently the have to owing to bay happen in one operacion enough earnest. but the victima not can owing to contene his self, pe assure for happen in one crisis of depresion, y the will did take one decision so dificil y big for place end at his life.

till cu yesterday morning police owing to succeed localiza his family for place they at height of the caso tristo, at where f. f. b. naci at 1947, owing to place end at his life come across. condolencia deep at sernan keri of the fayecidonan. paz at they remainder.

***

Traffic fatality: Andrick Edward Loopstok, 17 yrs old (rental electric car)

Murder victim: Angel Francisco Bolivar, 27 years old; possibly a robbery gotten out of hand

Apparent suicide by hanging: F.F.B., 60 years old (born 1947); family has not been located for notification

One of these was discovered by tourists.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 11, 2007, 05:26:51 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/10/

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PERSONA A BIRA VICTIMA DI ASALTO NA ALTURA
DI UN BAR NA SAN NICOLAS

ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Polis a registra un aumento di asalto, no solamente consistiendo di menaza pero tambe di violencia brutal. Marduga un biaha mas un otro persona a bira victima di atraco. E caso aki a tuma lugar na San Nicolas.
Segun e informe suministra pa vocero policial, tabata alrededor di tres or di marduga ora cu central di polis a dirigi patruya, encarga cu e distrito, na altura di Las Vegas bar. Informe cual polis a ricibi tabata indica cu e homber D.A.D, di 37 aña, a bira victima di asalto.
Polis a papia cu e victima D.A.D. El a conta cu pa mas o menos 15 minuut prome e tabata den compania di su primo den un bar. Su primo a dicidi di keda combersa cu un muher di bida den e bar, mientras cu e mes a sali bay pafor.
Ora e tabata saliendo, na dado momento pa un of otro motibo el a trompica y consecuentemente el a bay tera. Ora cu D.A.D kier a lanta el a nota cu tin un homber ta bin den su direccion. D.A.D a kere cu posiblemente e homber lo ta bay dune un man pa e lanta. Pero e tabata malamente ekiboca. E homber, bisti cu t-shirt color geel y jeans, cual despues a resulta di ta un tal “Jovi” a pushe y consecuentemente e la bolbe bay suela.
E tal “Jovi” a sinta riba D.A.D y a exigi placa for di dje. Ora cu D.A.D a nenga di sigui orden di “Jovi” ,e ultimo a djis hinca man den carson di e victima y saca un biljet di 50 florin, un biljet di 20 dolar, mas 10 dolar y cierto cantidad di florin. “Jovi”, despues di a tira e para riba D.A.D, a bay for di e lugar.
E victima D.A.D tabata sigur cu ta “Jovi” a comete e acto brutal aki. Polis a tuma e version y a cuminsa tira bista den vecindario si acaso nan lo por localiza e tal “Jovi”. No a dura mucho ora cu polis a wak un homber den Helfrich straat, na altura di Hollywood bar.
Su description tabata cuadra. Mesora polis a detene e sospechoso “Jovi” y e la wordo listra. Agentenan a confisca cuatro biljet di 20 dolar, un di 10 dolar, un biljet di 10 florin mas un biljet di 25 florin. Polis a transporta e sospechoso D.H.A, di 33 aña, miho conoci como “Jovi”, pa warda di polis pa duna cuenta. Mientrastanto e victima D.A.D lo a keda di entrega denuncia official na recherche.


Online Pap translation:

person owing to become victima of asalto at height of one bar at san nicolas

oranjestad.(aan): police owing to registra one aumento of asalto, not only consistiendo of menaza but also of violencia brutal. marduga once more one another person owing to become victima of atraco. the caso here did take lugar at san nicolas.

according the informe suministra for vocero policial, was alrededor of three or of marduga hour cu central of police owing to dirigi patrol, encarga cu the distrito, at height of las vegas bar. informe cual police owing to ricibi was indica cu he d.a.d, of 37 year, owing to become victima of asalto.

police owing to talk cu the victima d.a.d. past owing to count ; cu for more or less 15 minuut first the was in compania of his primo in one bar. his primo owing to dicidi of stay combersa cu one muher of life in the bar, while cu the self owing to leave bay abroad.

hour the was saliendo, at dado instant for one or another motibo past owing to trompica y consecuentemente past owing to bay ground. hour cu d.a.d wanted owing to arise past owing to notice cu have one man is come in his direccion. d.a.d owing to believe cu posiblemente he will is bay dune one hand for her arise. but the was malamente ekiboca. he, dress cu t-shirt color yellow y jeans, cual after owing to resulta of is one such “jovi” owing to pushe y consecuentemente the la go back bay floor.

the such “jovi” owing to sit on d.a.d y owing to exigi coin for of dje. hour cu d.a.d owing to deny of follow orden of “jovi” come across,e ultimo owing to immidiately hinca hand in carson of the victima y saca one biljet of 50 guilder, one biljet of 20 dolar, more 10 dolar y cierto cantidad of guilder. “jovi”, after of owing to throw the stop on d.a.d, owing to bay for of the lugar.

the victima d.a.d was assure cu is “jovi” owing to comete the acto brutal here. police did take the version y owing to cuminsa throw view in vecindario if acaso they will can localiza the such “jovi”. not owing to last mucho hour cu police owing to look at one man in helfrich straat, at height of hollywood bar.

his description was cuadra. at once police owing to detene the sospechoso “jovi” y the la wordo listra. agentenan owing to confisca cuatro biljet of 20 dolar, one of 10 dolar, one biljet of 10 guilder more one biljet of 25 guilder. police owing to transporta the sospechoso d.h.a, of 33 year, miho conoci because; “jovi”, for keep of police for give cuenta. all the time the victima d.a.d will owing to stay of entrega denuncia official at recherche.

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"Jovi" (D.H.A., 33) apparently beat up victim D.A.D. and took some money from him ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 11, 2007, 05:35:32 AM
A summary for this thread is on Page 16; my sig line goes to that page.

Incidents subsequent to the Summary (which is dated January 2006) are not included, and I need to update it! It probably will be June before I can get to it, though.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 11, 2007, 08:45:32 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/11/

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TURISTANAN KETO BAY TA BIRA VICTIMA NA FARO DI CALIFORNIA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Keto bay tin un of mas persona ta causando basta daño na nos economia. Ta asina cu pa algun tempo caba tin ladron ta mik riba muy en particular vehiculo cu ta worde staciona pa nos bishitantenan den area di Lighthouse.

Varios denuncia a drenta na autoridad competente pero te ainda no a logra pone man riba e malhechor (nan) cu ta probecha di kibra drenta den V-autonan di turista.

Hopi turista ta confia ya cu nan a worde bisa cu nos Isla ta uno safe. Conociendo Mericano ta kere firme ora nan worde notifica di entre otro e seguridad. Tin pa nan mes seguridad nan ta tuma cierto medida pa no laga tog articulonan valioso ora nan baha atras.

Pero tin otro ta kere cu den un fraccion nada lo no pasa, pero nan ta ekiboca. Ladron ta circula observa sin cu nan ripara esaki cu man intencion. Y ora e momento oportuno presenta nan ta habraca manera Raaf riba propiedad di e bishitantenan.

Diaranzon merdia a keda reporta un otro caso di ladronicia cu kiebro den un vehiculo. E pareha turista a reporta cu desconoci a logra drenta den nan auto y a horta dos paspoort Mericano mas 250 Dollar.

Parce cu e porta banda di chofer e denunciante no a controla esaki debido cu e lo acera. E vehiculo cual ladron (nan)a drenta horta ta un Suzuki Liana color blanco.

E caso tin atencion di Recherche. Mando policial aparentemente tin plan pa frecuentemente esnan di Visibility Team amplia nan ruta y observa esnan cu ta bay y regresa patras di Lighthouse.

Bao di esnan cu ta circula lo mester tin sospechosonan cu ta hit and run tanto local y nos bishitantenan. Un control preventivo lo ta na su lugar ya trempan of laat autoridad tin cu gara e toro na su cacho.

Pa colmo, turistanan a cuminza alerta otro pa tene cuidao cu ladronicia constantemente den area di Arashi.


Online Papiamentu translation:

turistanan keto bay is become victima at lighthouse of california

oranjestad (aan): keto bay have one or more person is causando enough damage at we economia. is so cu for some time end have thief is aim at on muy provided that particular vehiculo cu is worde staciona for we bishitantenan in area of lighthouse.

several denuncia owing to enter at autoridad competente but till still not owing to succeed place hand on the malhechor (nan) cu is probecha of break enter in v-autonan of tourist. {"v" car - rental car. "V" is part of the licence tag number for rentals.}

much tourist is confia already cu they owing to worde tell cu we island is uno safe. conociendo mericano is believe firme hour they worde notifica of among another the seguridad. have for they self seguridad they're take cierto medida for not let tog articulonan valioso hour they descend behind.

but have another is believe cu in one fraccion nothing will not happen, but they're ekiboca. thief is circula observa without cu they ripara this cu hand intencion. y hour the instant oportuno present they're habraca as raaf on property of the bishitantenan.

diaranzon afternoon owing to stay reporta one another caso of ladronicia cu kiebro in one vehiculo. the pareha tourist owing to reporta cu desconoci owing to succeed enter in they car y owing to steal two paspoort mericano more 250 dollar.

seems cu the door near of chofer the denunciante not owing to controla this debido cu the will acera. the vehiculo cual thief (nan)a enter steal is one suzuki liana color blanco.

the caso have atencion of recherche. command policial apparently have plan for frecuentemente esnan of visibility team aggrandize they ruta y observa esnan cu is bay y return behind lighthouse.

bao of esnan cu is circula will have to have sospechosonan cu is hit and run tanto local y we bishitantenan. one control preventivo will is at his lugar already trempan or late autoridad have cu grab the bull at his cacho.

for colmo, turistanan owing to cuminza alerta another for as cuidao cu ladronicia constantemente in area of arashi.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 11, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
A summary for this thread is on Page 16; my sig line goes to that page.

Incidents subsequent to the Summary (which is dated January 2006) are not included, and I need to update it! It probably will be June before I can get to it, though.


Sorry, that should be January 2007. The most recent Summary was compiled this past January.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 14, 2007, 09:25:50 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/14/

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Pelea formal Diadomingo mainta na Playa!
MARINIERNAN DEN PELEA A ZWAAI MESA RIBA AGENTE POLICIAL

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tabata mainta trempan, cu na altura di “Don Carlos Restaurant” riba Lloyd G. Smith Boulevard, cu poco marinier a confronta problema cu un grupo local.

A start un pelea y mesora yamadanan a cuminza drenta na autoridad. E informe ta mustra cu ta trata aki di un caso serio, y pelea ta bayendo for di man.

Esey tabata suficiente pa Polis sali cu diferente unidad rumbo pa e area. Na momento cu Polis a yega, nan a bin haya e pelea keto bay ta andando. Un di bringadornan den e caso aki un marinier a manda un stul riba un agente.

Mesora polis a dicidi yega cerca pa detene. Pero esaki no a logra, pasobra e marinier a cuminza core na careda bay pariba. Polis a sigui su tras, y despues di un rato otronan a yega cerca y a logra gare.

El a worde hiba Warda di Polis pa nan encarcele. Mientras tanto, a envolvi polis militar den e caso aki Marechaussee a worde envolvi relaciona cu e sucedido. Mas informe no tabata disponible.


A Marinier (sailor?) got into a confrontation with a local group at Don Carlos restaurant. Somebody threw a chair, I think at the polis.

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VENEZUELA TA EXIGI DISCULPA DI GELT DEKKER
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN)--- Segun informacionnan te na Hulanda e discurso di Jacob Gelt Dekker durante conferencia internacional di inversionistanan na Corsow, dilanti mas di 400 delegado a bira un topico di publicacion, ya cu segun e informe Venezuela a exigi di e miyonario Gelt Dekker disculpa pa locual el a expresa encuanto Venezuela como narcoestado y president Hugo Chavez como baron di droga.

E informacion ta menciona cu consul di Venezuela na Corsow, Lorenzo Angolillo ta exigi disculpa di Gelt Dekker of pruebanan pa su ponencianan.

Gelt Dekker ta propietario entre otro di hotel Kura Hulanda na Corsow, y como orador durante e conferencia menciona el a describi Corsow como un pais cu ta ser maneha pa politiconan corupto y unda traficacion di droga ta domina economia.

Den su discurso el a haci e expresion cu no a cay na agrado di e consul, encuanto Venezuela cu a califica palabranan di Gelt Dekker como palabranan di un “loco”.

na Corsow tambe e palabranan di Gelt Dekker no a cay na agrado y a conduci na criticanan pisa di entre otro gezaghebber di Corsow Lisa Richards Dindial y prome ministro antiyano Emily de Jongh Elhage.

Aña pasa algun politico hasta a bini cu e opcion pa declara Gelt Dekker como persona non grata riba e isla despues di un columna negativo cu el a publica riba su website di noticianan di aviacion. Nada a sali for di esaki. Awor varios politico ta desea pa Gelt Dekker wordo saca for di Corsow.


Online Pap translation:

venezuela is exigi disculpa of gelt dekker

oranjestad(aan)--- according informacionnan till at the netherlands the discurso of jacob gelt dekker during conferencia internacional of inversionistanan at corsow, fast more of 400 delegate owing to become one topico of publicacion, already cu according the informe venezuela owing to exigi of the miyonario gelt dekker disculpa for locual past owing to expresa encuanto venezuela because; narcoestado y president hugo chavez because; baron of drugs.

the informacion is menciona cu consul of venezuela at corsow, lorenzo angolillo is exigi disculpa of gelt dekker or pruebanan for his ponencianan.

gelt dekker is propietario among another of hotel care for the netherlands at corsow, y because; orador during the conferencia menciona past owing to describi corsow because; one country cu is being maneha for politiconan corupto y where traficacion of drugs is domina economia.

in his discurso past owing to haci the expresion cu not owing to cay at agrado of the consul, encuanto venezuela cu owing to califica words of gelt dekker because; words of one “loco”.

at corsow also the words of gelt dekker not owing to cay at agrado y owing to conduci at criticanan pisa of among another gezaghebber of corsow lisa richards dindial y first ministro antiyano emily de jongh elhage.

year happen some politico even owing to come cu the opcion for declara gelt dekker because; person non grata on the island after of one columna negative cu past owing to publica on his website of noticianan of aviacion. nothing owing to leave for of this. now several politico is desea for gelt dekker wordo saca for of corsow.

{Would be good to know what this one is all about.}

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 18, 2007, 09:44:58 AM
Posted by Lifesong on the LCD 05/18/2007; another suicide maybe:

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Good morning, all. Been attempting to translate again...

Here's the article from today's Diario about yesterday's suicide.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/18/

My personal interpretation is that there was one bullet to the face but the body was in an 'odd' position causing some suspicion. Sounds like two men, one age 38, one age 36 from company in Spain doing contract work on this hotel - one of them is now dead.


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Contractor Spano of Hotel River Will Owing to Throw His Self Kill

Oranjestad - Yesterday afternoon authority owing to achieve it confronts cu one another case for it investigates. The case have of to have at Bubali in one apartment will owing to come descubri one man cu not was give sign of life.

Is so after of afternoon owing to enter report at police cu at Bubali 123-k owing to descubri something horible. Seems, according to report, cu doe person cu apparently will is it knows the victima hour owing to arrive at the cas owing to come descubri they colleague cu not was give without sign of life.

The victima will was injury at face. At once owing to place authority at height of the case. All authority cu will have something of to have cu the case owing to wordo poni at height for present at once. Police owing to close one part for so it avoids cualkier person cu not have nothing of to have of arrive close. Recherche and also department tecnico owing to present all the time for cuminza cu they investigation deep.

Doctor Alvarez owing to present and owing to it states dead of he. Alaves authority owing to achieve is prudent also for it solicits it is present at of one patologo at Bubali 123F for her more also have one view and it reviews the curpa without life of he spanish.

Police officer spokesman Sr Comenecia the la give of it knows more late at representantenan of press cu was at the place cu in careda of 12'or of afternoon police owing to receive the report lamentable here. The police cu owing to present owing to come descubri the curpa of the victima in one position odd as is arise certain suspicion.

Will is deal of one man of 36 year cu will is work n'e project so calling "River", is two of his companero. For motibo, according spokesman, cu family of the victima not owing to wordo it notifies of the case lamentable here, they not can owing to give his identity.

But all the time Adpatres owing to it transports the cadaver for mortuario and today patologo will efecta autopsy for it determines dead of he naci at come across Spain calling Jose Augustin Rodriquez of 38 year. At life the was work at the construcion of hotel "River".

Possibly - but autopsy will have cu it determines this - will have strong indication cu the victima will owing to it commits suicide. The will owing to throw his self in cabez.

As all cos will is it indicates the victima have one injury of bullets, but police does not or not can confirma this debi at the investigation walking and autopsy have cu determine this course of today.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 18, 2007, 10:04:01 AM
A tourist was assaulted, I *think* at the Bucuti hotel. Suspect(s?) found at Tamarijn beach hotel, detained.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/18/

ASALTANTE DI TURISTA GARA MES ORA

ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Ayera atardi a tuma lugar un asalto riba un turista na altura di Bucuti hotel. Segun informe un turista a wordo asalta pa un homber y mesora e bishitante a reacciona y alaves un miembro di gerencia di e hotel en cuestion a sa di core tras di e individuo cu a comete e acto bergonzoso aki.

Nan a logra di gare un rato despues na altura di Tamarijn beach hotel. Mientras a yama mesora tambe polis cu den un fraccion a presenta na e sitio pa actua E personal di Strandpolitie a detene e sospechoso y nan a pone den boei pa transporte direccion warda.

Reportero di Diario tabata mesora na e sitio pa por a capta foto di e sospechoso E turista a keda di entrega denuncia oficial na autoridad competente di e sucedido.

Online Pap translation:

asaltante of tourist grab self hour

oranjestad.(aan): yesterday nightfall did take lugar one asalto on one tourist at height of bucuti hotel. according informe one tourist owing to wordo asalta for one man y at once the bishitante owing to reacciona y alaves one acolyte of gerencia of the hotel provided that cuestion owing to know of core behind the individual cu owing to comete the acto bergonzoso here.

they owing to succeed of gare one rato after at height of tamarijn beach hotel. while owing to calling at once also police cu in one fraccion owing to present at the sitio for actua the personal of strandpolitie owing to detene the sospechoso y they owing to place in boei for transporte direccion keep.

reportero of daily paper was at once at the sitio for can owing to capta photograph of the sospechoso the tourist owing to stay of entrega denuncia oficial at autoridad competente of the sucedido


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 20, 2007, 01:31:54 PM
Several items in Saturday's Diario (05/19/2007).

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/19/

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El a usa taki di biljard...
DETENCION PROLONGA PA HOMBER CU A ATACA POLIS


Diabierna mainta, e homber V.F.C. di 21 aña di edad, a tende con Huez Comisario ta prolonga su detencion. Esey ta debi cu el a ataca un agente policial cu un taki di biljard.

Tur cos a socede na Piedra Plat unda tabatin discusion di rumannan, y e tata a pidi presencia di Polis. Ora cu un agente a bay papia cu un dama, diripiente e hoben aki a presenta y a zwaai cu esaki riba dje. E polis pa defende su mes a blok usando su man pa evita e taki biljart lo por a dal e den su cara.

E agente rapidamente a hasi uso di su klop tambe, y asina a start un bataya entre e polis y e homber arma cu e taki biljard.

Tur dos a bay tera, pero finalmente e polis a logra detene e hoben di inicialnan VFC di 21 aña pa maltrato cu arma. E polis tabata keha di basta dolor na tanto su man como na su rudia. Ademas e agente a sufri rasca na curpa.

Huez Comisario a haya cu tin tur motibo pa e keda pa ocho dia mas cera tras di trali pendiente su investigacion rond di e acusacion grave, esta di ataca un oficial di Polis.


Online Pap translation:

past owing to using taki of biljard... detencion prolonga for man cu owing to ataca police

diabierna morning, he v.f.c. of 21 year of edad, owing to hear con huez comisario is prolonga his detencion. esey is debi cu past owing to ataca one agent policial cu one taki of biljard.

all cos owing to socede at stone plat where had discusion of rumannan, y the father owing to ask presencia of police. hour cu one agent owing to bay talk cu one lady, diripiente the young here owing to present y owing to zwaai cu this on dje. the police for defende his self owing to blok usando his hand for evita the taki biljart will can owing to strike the in his cara.

the agent rapidamente owing to make usage of his klop also, y so owing to start one action among the police y he arm cu the taki biljard.

all two owing to bay ground, but finalmente the police owing to succeed detene the young of inicialnan vfc of 21 year for maltrato cu arm. the police was complain of enough dolor at tanto his hand because; at his knee. besides the agent owing to abide rasca at curpa.

huez comisario owing to achieve cu have all motibo for her stay for eight day more close behind trali pendiente his investigacion rond of the acusacion important, esta of ataca one oficial of police.

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DETENCION PROLONGA PA SOSPECHOSONAN DI
“BENDE DROGA PAFOR CARLOS ‘N CHARLIE’S”


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tanto Diaranzon como Diabierna a presenta dilanti Huez Comisario, e grupo di sospechosonan kendenan aparentemente ta dedica nan mes, of ta colabora pa bende droga banda di clubnan nocturno. Agentenan ta usando e nomber “Bende Droga Pafor Carlos ‘n Charlie’s” pa referi na e hecho cu nan tabata bende droga pafor di e establecimento aki.

Nan a worde gara danki na un accion “Bende Droga Pafor Carlos ‘n Charlie’s” hunto cu Douane, den vecindario di e clubnan usando hasta cacho anti-droga. Esaki a produci resultado, cu te dia di awe ta elogio so autoridad ta hayando for di pueblo.

Riba e potretnan aki por mira e sospechosonan ta yegando na Huez Comisario pa asina bin tende cu nan detencion ta worde prolonga. Mey-mey di nan por mira uno kende apenas e siman aki a worde gara na su cas.

DIARIO a haya sa cu keto bay e investigacion ta sigui y no por descarta e posibilidad cu mas detencion por cay.


Online Pap translation:

detencion prolonga for sospechosonan of “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s”

oranjestad (aan): tanto diaranzon because; diabierna owing to present fast huez comisario, the are of sospechosonan kendenan apparently is dedica they self, or is colabora for sell drugs near of clubnan nocturno. agentenan is usando the name “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s” for referi at the mature cu they was sell drugs abroad of the establecimento here.

they owing to worde grab thanks at one accion “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s” together cu douane, in vecindario of the clubnan usando even cacho anti-droga. this owing to produci result, cu till day of today is elogio only autoridad is hayando for of people.

on the potretnan here can see the sospechosonan is yegando at huez comisario for so come hear cu they detencion is worde prolonga. mey-mey of they can see uno that barely the week here owing to worde grab at his cas.

daily paper owing to achieve know cu keto bay the investigacion is follow y not can descarta the posibilidad cu more detencion can cay.

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Encuanto asesinato na Boegoeroei...
AUTORIDAD BUSCANDO “CHIPO” Y “SCHUINS”


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Diabierna, Polis a opta pa busca yudanza di prensa y di pueblo pa nan por pone man riba dos sospechoso peligroso cu keto bay ta canando rond liber y ta scondi! Pa medio di vocero policial, a worde suministra dos informe importante relaciona cu buskeda y detencion di dos individuo peligroso.

Ta trata aki di e homber Yeferson Augusto Martinez Ruiz mihor conoci como “Chipo”. E sospechoso aki esta “Chipo” ta naci na Venezuela dia 31 di October 1990. E ta biba na Tanki Leendert 125-E. Fiscal mr. Flanegin ta pidi su buskeda relaciona cu violacion di diferente articulonan di ley 302.c.q,301 cq,325 cq,330 WVSR y articulo 3 vuurwapen verordering.

Mientras tanto e otro individuo Julian Rasmijn mihor conoci como “Schuins” naci na Colombia dia 9 di april 1989 ta worde busca tambe. Su adres registra ta Tanki Flip 64F.
E sospechoso “Schuins” ta worde busca y e tambe ta worde acusa pa e mesun articulonan di ley menciona ariba. Nan ta envolvi den e caso di asesinato na Boegoeroei cu a socede algo despues di mey anochi riba 9 di Mei, net dilanti Hong Fa Restaurant na Boegoeroei.

E dos hobennan aki ta peligroso! Chipo tin 16 aña y Schuins tin 18 aña. Cualkier persona cu conoce, wak, señala y sa unda nan ta sconde pa husticia ,por yama warda di polis “100” y suministra e informe pa asina autoridad por pone man riba mas rapido posible.


Online Pap Translation:

encuanto asesinato at boegoeroei... autoridad buscando “chipo” y “schuins”

oranjestad (aan): on diabierna, police owing to opta for busca yudanza of prensa y of people for they can place hand on two sospechoso dangerous cu keto bay is canando rond pound y is scondi! by vocero policial, owing to worde suministra two informe important relaciona cu buskeda y detencion of two individual dangerous.

is deal here of he yeferson augusto martinez ruiz mihor conoci because; “chipo”. the sospechoso here esta “chipo” is naci at venezuela day 31 of october 1990.

the live at tanki leendert 125-e. fiscal mr. flanegin is ask his buskeda relaciona cu violacion of various articulonan of ley 302.c.q,301 cq,325 cq,330 wvsr y articulo 3 vuurwapen verordering.

all the time the another individual julian rasmijn mihor conoci because; “schuins” naci at colombia day 9 of april 1989 is worde busca also. his adres registra is tanki flip 64f.

the sospechoso “schuins” is worde busca y the also is worde acusa for her same articulonan of ley menciona upstairs. they're envolvi in the caso of asesinato at boegoeroei cu owing to socede algo after of mey night on 9 of half, just fast hong fa restaurant at boegoeroei.

the two hobennan here is dangerous! chipo have 16 year y schuins have 18 year. cualkier person cu conoce, look at, señala y know where they're sconde for husticia come across,por calling keep of police “100” y suministra the informe for so autoridad can place hand on more rapido posible.

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INDICACION CU E CASO AKI TA UN SUICIDIO MES

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Relaciona cu e curpa sin biba cual a worde descubri pa dos di su companero den e cas Bubali 123 F, tur indicacion awor ta cu el a comete suicidio. Manera ta conoci Diahuebs algo prome cu 12’or di merdia, alarma a worde bati na polis cu a descubri un homber morto den un cas. Mesora patruya a worde dirigi na e adres y a constata cu enberdad tin un homber no ta duna señal di bida. Asina autoridad a solicita presencia di demas autoridad, y tambe esnan encarga cu investigacion tecnico.

Esey debi cu e homber tin un herida na cabez, y awor investigacion forensico tin di mustra si acaso el a tira su mes, of un otro a comete esey.

DIARIO tabata presente algun minuut despues na e lugar, y a mira con e.o. Halto Comisario Peter de Witte a yega, hunto cu Fiscal, Docter, y Patologo.

Mientras personanan encarga cu Departamento Tecnico di polis a presenta tambe y nan a bisti coverall special color blanco y blauw mesora nan a cuminsa busca investiga e caso profundamente. E investigacion a tuma basta ora ya cu e funcionario tin di determina y busca delaster pista pa saca afor si aki lo tat rata di suicidio comete of man nan criminal ta envolvi. Finalmente a dicidi cu ta bay practica autopsia cu a tuma lugar den transcurso di ayera caba.

Tin fuerte indicacion cu Jose Augustin Rodriquez naci na Spaña di 38 aña a pone un punto final na su bida. Durante di e investigacion polis a bin descubri algo skirbi cu a hala nan atencion cu ta lo siguiente “Alto llama a la policia. Estoy muerto de un disparo. No es broma”.

E palabranan skirbi tambe segun informe investigacion ta indica cu e propio victima prome di a comete suicidio a skirbi esaki y a lage atras. Gerencia di Riu Palace Resort segun informe a percura pa a notifica famia di e informe tragico fuera doloroso y cu e curpa di Jose Augustin Rodriguez ta worde traslada pa Spaña, na unda e entiero lo tuma lugar den seno familiar. Prome cu esaki coleganan y conocirnan lo tin oportunidad pa dispidi di e defunto. Paz na su restonan.


Online Pap Translation:

indicacion cu the caso here is one suicidio self

oranjestad (aan): relaciona cu the curpa without live cual owing to worde descubri for two of his companero in the cas bubali 123 f, all indicacion now is cu past owing to comete suicidio. as is conoci diahuebs algo first cu 12’or of afternoon, alarma owing to worde beat at police cu owing to descubri one man dead in one cas. at once patrol owing to worde dirigi at the adres y owing to constata cu enberdad have one man do not give sign of life. so autoridad owing to solicita presencia of other autoridad, y also esnan encarga cu investigacion tecnico.

esey debi cu he have one injury at cabez, y now investigacion forensico have of show if acaso past owing to throw his self, or one another owing to comete esey.

daily paper was present some minuut after at the lugar, y owing to see con the.o. high comisario peter de witte owing to arrive, together cu fiscal, docter, y patologo.

while personanan encarga cu departamento tecnico of police owing to present also y they owing to dress coverall special color blanco y blauw at once they owing to cuminsa busca investiga the caso profundamente. the investigacion did take enough hour already cu the funcionario have of determina y busca last pista for saca afor if here will tat rata of suicidio comete or hand they criminal is envolvi. finalmente owing to dicidi cu is bay practica autopsia cu did take lugar in transcurso of yesterday end.

have strong indicacion cu jose augustin rodriquez naci at spain of 38 year owing to place one sharp end at his life. during of the investigacion police owing to come descubri algo write cu owing to wing they atencion cu is will next “alto llama owing to la policia. estoy muerto de one disparo. not es broma”.

the words write also according informe investigacion is indica cu the own victima first of owing to comete suicidio owing to write this y owing to lage behind. gerencia of river palace resort according informe owing to percura for owing to notifica family of the informe tragico fuera painful y cu the curpa of jose augustin rodriguez is worde traslada for spain, at where the burial will take lugar in seno familiar. first cu this coleganan y conocirnan will have oportunidad for dispidi of the defunto. paz at his restonan.

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Any help with better translation of these would help a lot! Thanks!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2007, 06:19:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

UN condemn locking up of juvenile prisoners amongst adults

WILLEMSTAD/GENEVA – The United Nations’ Committee against Tortures in Geneva criticized the locking up of juvenile prisoners amongst adults, the custody that lasts much too long, and due to this, the huge number of prisoners that are not sentenced in the Antilles and Aruba. They also criticized the sexual abuse and other violence against prisoners that is taking place in Aruba.

The UN Committee against Torture reports this after her 38th meeting, where reporting of 7 countries were considered. Other than in the Netherlands, the situation in Denmark, Luxembourg, Italy, Ukraine, Japan, and Poland was also investigated. Basic principle of this is the Convention against Tortures from 1984 that was signed by a total of 144 countries.

When discussing the subject the Netherlands, the committee that falls under the High Commissioner of the UN paid most attention to the situation of the juvenile prisoners in the Antillean and Aruban prison. The committee condemns the locking up of juvenile prisoners among adults. The committee says that this has to end, with the biggest immediacy. As already known, there is no special juvenile prison in the Antilles or in Aruba. In some cases, juvenile delinquents are placed with the Foba (Forensic Observation and Counseling department) or the not-confined GOG (Government’s Reformatory), but that is not always possible. When placing juvenile delinquents in the Bon Futuro-prison, their age is definitely being considered and they are not placed amongst the heaviest felons. According to the committee, as part of the rehabilitation, the Antilles lacks an educational reformation program for the punished juvenile in order to improve their return in the society. Schooling and training must be part of that.

ARUBA
The committee also paid attention to the situation in Aruba, where sexual- and other violence is taking place against prisoners in the KIA. This is supposedly done by police officers and prison guards and/or they have no control over this. The committee wants the Netherlands to take measures to stop this.
The committee is very concerned about the fact that between 2005 and 2007, a big number of assaults were reported and that just a few, 2 of he 49, were taken to court. But both cases were not sentenced due to c\lack of evidence. The reportage has nothing to do with the visit of the CPT- and the UN committee that investigates torture and violation of human rights in the prisons of the Antilles and Aruba, which is planned for the end of this month. Justice-minister David Dick already indicated that he does not rule out hard negative opinion considering the situation in the Curacao and St. Maarten prisons. A few human rights organizations have pointed out the unbearable situation to the Antillean government.

THE NETHERLANDS
The UN-committee also criticized the accelerated procedures with the Immigration law that was introduced in the Netherlands in 2000. This law makes it very difficult for an asylum seeker to substantiate his/her petition. They do not get enough time to argue their case. The committee is also not happy with the long time that asylum seekers are locked up in the Netherlands.


Straight from the UN website!

http://tinyurl.com/yv4qkg


With regard to Aruba and in the Netherlands (Antilles), the Committee expressed its concern at the excessive length of pre-trial detention and the high number of non-convicted detainees. With specific regard to the Netherlands (Antilles), measures should be taken to urgently ensure that juveniles were separated from adult offenders; that educational and training programmes to help the social reintegration of juveniles were provided; and that prompt action to implement a new classification of inmates and allocation of cells was undertaken. Concerned at the Netherlands' indication that information related to sexual abuse or assault in the Aruban prison rarely reached the prison board, and that victims were not likely to lodge complaints for privacy concerns, the Committee recommended that the Netherlands put in place specific mechanisms to receive complaints of sexual abuse that would ensure the privacy of victims and protect both victims and witnesses against ill-treatment or intimidation as a consequence of the complaint. The Committee was also concerned at the number of reports of assaults committed by Aruban law enforcement officials and that, as reported by the State party, of the 49 cases lodged at the Internal Investigations Bureau between 2005 and 2007, only 2 had been dealt with in court, and those had not led to a conviction due to insufficient evidence. The Netherlands should take all appropriate measures to send a clear and unambiguous message to the Police Force and to prison staff that torture, violence and ill-treatment were unacceptable.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 23, 2007, 12:32:12 AM
sandy leiva posted this translation of an article klaas picked up from 2o4a. Tuesday, 05/22/2007 on the LCD. The initial story about this incident is several posts above this.

sandy summarized within klaas' post, so I am color coding it for clarity.
 
klaasend wrote:
Sandy - if you are still here. Can you make out what this says?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/693/8/
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here goes not perfect but a good gist of it


Busqueda pa Fugitivo biba na Boegoeroei
Tuesday, 22 May 2007


Looking for fugitive from Boegoeroei, tuesday, May 22 07

Den prensa a sali e noticia di busqueda y detencion di Yeferson Martinez Ruiz . Cuerpo policial a publica cu su adres ta Tanki Leendert 145-E.

News states looking for detension of Jefferson Martinez Ruiz of Tanki Leendart, I45E.


Esaki ta incorrecto. Cuerpo policial ta pidi disculpa pa e error y inconveniencia y kier duna e adres correcto di e sospechoso cu ta Boegoeroei 67.

However police offficial believe this is incorrect, and are sorr for the inconvienience inadvertantly caused by the mistaken and incorrectly published address of the suspect who resides at Boegoeroei 67.

E sospechoso ta cana rond liber ainda y ta ser busca cu urgencia relaciona cu crimennan bastante pisa y ta ser considera peligroso.

The suspect is at large and is considered armed and dangerous.

Por fabor pidi publico pa no purba detene nan mes sino yama central di Polis mesora cu wak e.

Call polis if you have any info . Do not try to stop this isndividual.
best i can do s l.


I'm going to add a bit to this in my next post.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 23, 2007, 12:39:09 AM
Diario edition 05/19/2007 had the story about "Chipo" and "Schuins" (several posts above this one, this page). The post immediately above this one corrects the address of one of the suspects, who is only 16.

sandy and klaas also had this exchange:

klaasend wrote:
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SANDY - THANK YOU!

If you click on the link there is a bit more information. Looks like this kid is only 16.


sandy wrote:
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Yes the continued artical says he is 16. I looked back to Diarios paper daay before and it says his accomplice is also young.. Roumer is the murdered someone a nurse in the hospital. no other info available.


Thanks klaas and sandy!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 23, 2007, 09:04:53 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 05/23/2007:

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Police: The number of fatal traffic accidents has to drop  

Already eleven fatalities in traffic in 2007, and that is unacceptable for the police.


ORANJESTAD – Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) is very concerned about the 11 persons that died in traffic this year, and we are only in the fifth month.  In the entire year of 2006, the number of persons that died in traffic was 14.    The reasons for the accidents were in almost all the cases irresponsible driving.  This has to change, because if it continues, the figures of 2007 will be much higher.  

Driving back the number of fatal traffic accidents is one of the priorities of the corps.  The most important solution is to change the driving behavior.  One way to do this is to give a lot of information.   Joining other organizations in this will be of great advantage.  The number of collisions in San Nicolas, Noord, and Santa Cruz dropped slightly in 2006; from 6320 in 2005 to 6246 in 2006.  This however increased in Oranjestad with more than 200.  There were 7 fatal traffic accidents in Oranjestad.  Of the 14 deadly traffic accidents, 11 took place during the night.  Compared with 2005, the number of traffic violations didn’t increase in 2006.  As a matter of fact, it dropped drastically from 8808 to 7588.    

Hospital figures show that 55 percent of the beds in the surgery ward are occupied by road victims.   Per day, an average of five traffic accident victims is treated on the intensive care.  The hospital can re-claim only 25 percent from the patients’ insurance companies.   The rest cannot be re-claims, because the victim is not insured or the policy does not cover the accident.  

Another priority of the KPA is tackling the local drug dealings and sale.  It causes inconvenience and criminality.  Compared to 2006, the police have confiscated almost 600 cocaine and 50 kilo heroine versus 109 and 12 in 2006.    

The superintendent is extremely pleased with the solution percentage of the number of deadly criminal offences.  7 Persons were violently killed and the police have solved all the cases in 2006.  The number of offences has increased.  This is to be blamed on the higher number of robberies (an average of 12 per day).  The number of stolen cars (2 every day) remained the same as in 2005.


Hummmm. Only 7 persons violently killed in 2006?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 25, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
Posted by Rob on the LCD 05/25/2007:

 
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On the previous page there were some comments about keeping the case open and denying Beth and Dave the docs.

Well, Max DeVries has now been missing for three years and Yvonne has no paper work at all.

I have been speaking to Travis Makings, the son of Gary Makings and he is heart broken about his dad. He wants answers and there are none from Aruba.. he doesn't seem to have any paper work either.

Just because a case is closed does not mean anyone is getting any paper work from Aruba. It might be a law, or a statue, but when was the last time they followed the law?

This will go on for years to come in my humble opinion.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 05/23/2007:

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Police: The number of fatal traffic accidents has to drop  

Already eleven fatalities in traffic in 2007, and that is unacceptable for the police.


ORANJESTAD – Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) is very concerned about the 11 persons that died in traffic this year, and we are only in the fifth month.  In the entire year of 2006, the number of persons that died in traffic was 14.    The reasons for the accidents were in almost all the cases irresponsible driving.  This has to change, because if it continues, the figures of 2007 will be much higher.  

Driving back the number of fatal traffic accidents is one of the priorities of the corps.  The most important solution is to change the driving behavior.  One way to do this is to give a lot of information.   Joining other organizations in this will be of great advantage.  The number of collisions in San Nicolas, Noord, and Santa Cruz dropped slightly in 2006; from 6320 in 2005 to 6246 in 2006.  This however increased in Oranjestad with more than 200.  There were 7 fatal traffic accidents in Oranjestad.  Of the 14 deadly traffic accidents, 11 took place during the night.  Compared with 2005, the number of traffic violations didn’t increase in 2006.  As a matter of fact, it dropped drastically from 8808 to 7588.    

Hospital figures show that 55 percent of the beds in the surgery ward are occupied by road victims.   Per day, an average of five traffic accident victims is treated on the intensive care.  The hospital can re-claim only 25 percent from the patients’ insurance companies.   The rest cannot be re-claims, because the victim is not insured or the policy does not cover the accident.  

Another priority of the KPA is tackling the local drug dealings and sale.  It causes inconvenience and criminality.  Compared to 2006, the police have confiscated almost 600 cocaine and 50 kilo heroine versus 109 and 12 in 2006.    

The superintendent is extremely pleased with the solution percentage of the number of deadly criminal offences.  7 Persons were violently killed and the police have solved all the cases in 2006.  The number of offences has increased.  This is to be blamed on the higher number of robberies (an average of 12 per day).  The number of stolen cars (2 every day) remained the same as in 2005.


Hummmm. Only 7 persons violently killed in 2006?




Remember when the beheading happened just at the time Natalee disappeared?  The police were asked about that and I do recall one of them saying something like, oh, that doesn't count as it is "just" a domestic disturbance!

Like you, I wonder about only 7.  Guess some of those bodies that wash ashore are just considered accidental or whatever.  Suicide seems to be a very popular label for unexplained deaths as well.

Very different counting system perhaps but we do take our accounting straight from the newspapers so it would tend to be low from some not receiving coverage considering the high number of crimes to be covered daily in addition to the constant stream of automobile mishaps.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 26, 2007, 05:51:23 PM
As for the total number of crimes in the post above - I have about figured that the polis don't even make a report on many of them, especially thefts from tourists and the like. They know they will never solve them (or even attempt to do so).

And as for murders - who knows what may or may not "count" -- only native Arubians? Probably not domestic ...


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 26, 2007, 06:09:25 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/26/

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CHOLLER A ATACA CAHERA CU BATE DI BASEBALL
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diahuebs atardi, Central di Polis a dirigi patruya encarga cu San Nicolas na un Supermarket den Dr. Schaepmanstraat relaciona cu un choler fastioso.

   Patruya na yegada, agentenan a papia cu e homber naci na China di inicialnan L.C.. Segun declaracion di L.C. cu un conocido choler cu tin 19 aña a drenta den e establecimento y usa un bate cu cual el a menaza cahera pa dune 5 Florin.

   E choler despues di e acto aki a bay cu e bate y tambe cu e 5 Florin. Polis a busca e choler pero nan no a logra di localize.

   Casi dos ora despues polis a ricibi informe cu na Valero Essoville tin un choller di inicialnan F.G. ta circula cu un bate. Ora cu polis a presenta e choler a sconde e bate bao di un vehiculo y a core bay.

   Polis a confisca e bate y pa seguridad a deposita esaki na warda.  Pa loke ta e choler F.G. un ora pa otro polis lo gare y trece base cu ta warda polis pa atende riba su fechorianan.


Online Pap translator:

oranjestad (aan): diahuebs nightfall, central of police owing to dirigi patrol encarga cu san nicolas at one supermarket in dr. schaepmanstraat relaciona cu one choler fastioso.

patrol at arrival, agentenan owing to talk cu he naci at china of inicialnan l.c.. according declaracion of l.c. cu one conocido choler cu have 19 year owing to enter in the establecimento y using one bate cu cual past owing to menaza cahera for dune 5 guilder.

the choler after of the acto here owing to bay cu the bate y also cu the 5 guilder. police owing to busca the choler but they not owing to succeed of localize.

casi two hour after police owing to ricibi informe cu at valero essoville have one choller of inicialnan f.g. is circula cu one bate. hour cu police owing to present the choler owing to sconde the bate bao of one vehiculo y owing to core bay.

police owing to confisca the bate y for seguridad owing to deposita this at keep. for thing is the choler f.g. one hour for another police will gare y trece base cu is keep police for atende on his fechorianan.

Another baseball bat episode ...

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This seems to be at least a car hitting a pedestrian, but I think there's more ... I'll post on the LCD to see if we get any translation.

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Auto a dal homber di edad y desaparece
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN)-- Ayera anochi mas o menos 8.30 or na Palm Beach na altura di RBTT Bank un auto a dal un persona di edad avanza cu tabata cruza caya pa bay su cas den vecindario, y a sigui core.

E homber a keda tira riba caya cu bastante golpi na cabez, mientras cu ta ser busca e “malhechor” cu a baha na awa despues di e impacto.

E victima a wordo transporta pa hospital den un situacion basta grave di e golpinan ricibi.

Na Bubali 115 A tambe ladron(nan) a drenta un cas, horta y maltrata e señora di cas severamente. Bisiñanan cu a tende grito di auxilio a pone autoridadnan na altura di e sucedido repudiable aki.


Online Pap translation:
 
oranjestad(aan)-- yesterday night more or less 8.30 or at palm beach at height of rbtt bank one car owing to strike one person of edad avanza cu was cruza caya for bay his cas in vecindario, y owing to follow core.

he owing to stay throw on caya cu enough golpi at cabez, while cu is being busca the “malhechor” cu owing to descend at water {??} after of the impacto.

the victima owing to wordo transporta for hospital in one situation enough important of the golpinan ricibi.

at bubali 115 owing to also ladron(nan) owing to enter one cas, steal y maltrata the madam of cas severamente. bisiñanan cu owing to hear cry of help owing to place autoridadnan at height of the sucedido repudiable here. {??}


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 26, 2007, 06:34:44 PM
klaas posted this on the LCD 05/26/2007; more about the incident at Bubali 115 (2nd article, last paragraph above).

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/735/8/

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Ladronan ta agredi dama formalmente
Saturday, 26 May 2007

Diabierna anochi na Bubali 115-A bisiñanan ta tende grito di nan bisiña. Ta mustra cu ladronan a bay pa horta den e cas y topa cu e señora Y.T cu tawata den e cas y nan a bati e señora. A bin topa e señora bow di sanger y na gritamento

E auto cu por mira tawata den e entrada di e cas. No ta confirma si despues di e sucedido e bisiñanan mes a pone e senora warda den e auto pa asistencia di polis y ambulance. RIba e imagen por mira con paramedico y miebro di visibility team ta sacando e senora for di e auto. E señora tawata grita di dolor.

Polis a cuminsa nan investigacion di immediato buscando rond di e cas si por encontra algo cu por yudanan na haña e antisocialnan. A pidi pa recherche na warda tambe presenta na e cas.

Aki por mira con e fotografo di 24ora.com a logra capta un shot di e sanger cu tawatatin riba vloer dilanti di e cas.


From the online translator:

ladronan is agredi lady formalmente
saturday, 26 may 2007
diabierna night at bubali 115-a bisiñanan is hear cry of they neighbour. is show cu ladronan owing to bay for steal in the cas y come across cu the madam y.t cu tawata in the cas y they owing to beat the madam. owing to come come across the madam bow of blood y at gritamento the car cu can see tawata in the entrance of the cas. do not confirma if after of the sucedido the bisiñanan self owing to place the senora keep in the car for asistencia of police y ambulance. on the imagen can see con paramedico y miebro of visibility team is sacando the senora for of the car. the madam tawata bark of dolor. police owing to cuminsa they investigacion of immediato buscando rond of the cas if can encontra algo cu can yudanan at find the antisocialnan. owing to ask for recherche at keep also present at the cas. here can see con the fotografo of 24ora.com owing to succeed capta one shot of the blood cu tawatatin on vloer fast of the cas.


Not sure but it kindof sounds like she was beat up? - klaas


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on May 28, 2007, 12:45:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/  05/26/2007 (although I'm pretty sure I checked Amigoe Saturday and didn't see this ... )

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Criminal investigation on Namdar-letter  

ORANJESTAD – The exploratory investigation on the letter of Effy Namdar that started around April 10th, is recently wrapped up.   The findings of this investigation provoke a criminal investigation on the matter, announced the Public Prosecutor.  

 This letter was given publicity through Mike William on March 26th.  The letter was not dated, but according to the contents it must have been from before 2004.  In this letter, the diamond dealer from New York , Effi Namdar offers money in exchange for the realization of a shopping mall near the cruise terminal, especially for jewelers.  Namdar writes tht if his company can be granted the land before September 2004, he can guarantee that the completion will be before November 2005.  That would conveniently coincide with the ‘the re-election of your party’; but no names of a party is mentioned.  

The company links these conditions with the offer to deposit 500.000 florins in the party’s cashbox before the elections and another 500.000 florins ‘in the course of a few years’.  The letter made publicity when Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) signed a declaration of intend with Aruba Ports Authority ( APA ) for the development of the harbour area of Oranjestad.  Namdar is supposedly one of the partners of RCCL in the realization of this project.  The question about which political party the letter was addressed to and what the date of the letter is, caused a lot of discussions.  In a letter to the editor of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber in the Amigoe of last Tuesday is stated: “From the beginning I already indicated that our government has nothing to do with Namdar; that we have never asked him for any money for any project; and that according to our investigation, the letter in question is from before our time in office.”  

The OM indicates that it has a few suspects in mind.  But in the interest of the criminal investigation, the OM won’t reveal the identity of these suspects in this stadium.  The investigation focuses on punishable facts, varying from defamation to bribery and also forgery.   If the interest and the position of the criminal investigation allow it, the OM will give more information.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 01, 2007, 09:31:04 AM
Snip from a post by sandy leiva on LCD 05/31/2007:

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Todays diario also had article that said the thiefs have look outs at the polis stations and take advantage of committing crimes when polis force is low in numbers. Sound somehat like an inside job.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 01, 2007, 11:16:37 AM
This was posted by Rob on the LCD 06/01/2007:

 
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Deetch just sent me this.


http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-1777--16-16--.html

Commentary: Another whitewash, or is it? And why ignore Curacao?
Published on Friday, June 1, 2007
By Dan McGee

Natalee Holloway. It's a name that hangs like a cloud over the island of Aruba. Her disappearance two years ago has given both the island and its Ministry of Justice a black mark.

Finally, after being on the sidelines for most of the past year-and-a-half, authorities from the Netherlands have acted.

This, of course, raises the question of just why it took them so long to discharge their judicial obligations with respect to an island that is listed as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Considering the glare of publicity given to the initial investigation by the island's police, as well as their lack of results and possible questionable procedures, the homeland authorities had to know what was happening. Especially since units of the Dutch Air Force were sent there in what became a show of noise without results.

A skeptic might ask if the current effort is only a political move or a serious initiative for solving this crime. One possible positive aspect might be the involvement of the Aruban police charged with combating drugs on the island. But that still means a section of a department that didn't distinguish itself in the first place is again being involved.

Another question is just why the prosecutor is evidently being promoted and sent back to the Netherlands. This is the same person whose efforts at arresting then quickly releasing suspects was named a "catch-and-release program," by TV host Nancy Grace.

Now that these investigators are already on Aruba, why stop there?

On the island of Curacao there is another case that demands their attention. Like the Holloway case, this one involved the disappearance of another American woman. But, in the case of Amy Lynn Bradley, it's known that she survived. Ms Bradley was kidnapped in March 1998 as the cruise liner she and her family were vacationing on docked at the island. Some passengers reported last seeing her with two men holding on to her as they walked along a deck. Minutes later, both men were seen again without Ms Bradley.

Apparently, there are situations where unruly passengers, and maybe misbehaving crewmembers are removed from ships. Still it's a wonder that a woman, dressed only in a pair of shorts and a top, could have been taken off a ship without either being challenged or really noticed. Especially since a liner doesn't arrive at a dock without a crew there to receive it. I'll let the readers arrive at their own conclusions about this situation.

Things get even more curious in the months that followed. Shortly afterward the kidnapping, Mr Bradley and his son headed a search party that returned to the island. Upon his arrival the Chief of the Harbour Police gave Mr Bradley a tour of the island. Bradley allowed that the tour didn't inspire confidence in this effort. Later he was told that the Chief made an interesting remark to members of the search party. In effect he told them the family should go ahead and search for her and get it out of their system, as they would never find their daughter.

At first glance, this might be a comment by a man that knew the island and what the family was up against. Over the next 11 months, other events transpired to give some doubt about just what this comment implied. That fall, two Canadians encountered Ms Bradley as she was being walked along a beach. After hearing reports about her, and remembering the tattoos she had, they reported this to the family. Almost a year later, a US Navy petty officer, visiting a brothel located close to the harbor and off-limits to servicemen, met Ms Bradley. She identified herself to him and asked for his help. Unfortunately he chose not to report the incident for another two years.

When the family contacted authorities on the island, Mr Bradley said they were told, "...we have no illegal prostitutes here." By that time the brothel didn't exist, as it had been demolished after being damaged by a fire. This means that, for at least most of a year, Ms Bradley was moved around the island in broad daylight as well as enslaved in a brothel right under the nose of the harbour police. Yet during all this time both the harbour and island police failed to find her, even they both knew about her kidnapping.

Another interesting fact is that apparently no one has found or identified the brothel owner. In the Bradley case, questions need to be asked, as three offences might be involved. This writer is certain that a civilized country like the Netherlands has sanctions against kidnapping. While there is a law in the Netherlands Antilles against forcing someone into prostitution, a Caribbean women's rights site explained it's never enforced on the islands.

Finally, since it is the 200th anniversary of the ending of the trans-Atlantic slave trace, there is a chance these laws are still on the books in the Netherlands. And this offence, if still enforceable, just might be a capital crime. Both the Bradley and Holloway cases raise many questions. Another, for Aruba, is if any police or judicial officials will ever be disciplined if it's found they mishandled this case. On Curacao, will officials, and another individual, ever face justice or discipline over the Bradley case?

Both cases demand answers from the authorities based in the Netherlands, who have the judicial obligation in the islands. If these questions aren't answered, it would appear both cases will end in a whitewash and the Dutch justice system will receive a well-deserved black mark on its record. One can only guess about the repercussions to the tourist industry in these islands.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 09, 2007, 12:16:25 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/9/

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/gangtiramento_1.jpg)

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Alarma bati na Macuarima!
PROBLEMA DI GANG A RESULTA DEN TIRAMENTO DI DOS HOBEN

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mira con leu conflicto entre Gang di Hobennan ta bay! Diabierna merdia, esaki a culmina den tiramento den un area, apenas 450 meter pariba di Centro di Husticia na Santa Cruz. Tur cos a cuminza Diabierna merdia alrededor di 1:30’or, cu un Toyota Starlet color oranje a yega na altura di un adres na Macuarima, y a baha algun persona abao. Despues di esey, e Starlet a move bay.

Un rato despues, un otro vehiculo, esta un Volkswagen Golf a yega cerca, den cual tin 4 persona.
Dos di nan tabatin arma di candela den man, y asina a cuminza los diferente tiro riba e hendenan cu tin custumber di sinta na banda di caminda ey.


(more at link)


Online Pap translation:

alarma beat at macuarima!
problem of gang owing to resulta in tiramento of two young


oranjestad (aan): see con far conflicto among gang of hobennan is bay! diabierna afternoon, this owing to culmina in tiramento in one area, barely 450 metre east of centro of husticia at santa cruz. all cos owing to cuminza diabierna afternoon alrededor of 1:30’or, cu one toyota starlet color oranje owing to arrive at height of one adres at macuarima, y owing to descend some person abao. after of esey, the starlet owing to actuate bay. one rato after, one another vehiculo, esta one volkswagen golf owing to arrive close, in cual have 4 person.

two of they had arm of candela in hand, y so owing to cuminza los various tiro on the hendenan cu have custumber of sit at near of caminda ey.

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Gang, firearms. At least two hospitalized, I think.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 11, 2007, 10:08:38 PM
SunnyinTX posted this on the LCD 06/11/2007. Just some interesting comments from recent Aruba tourists.

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met some folks (family of 4....mom and dad in their early 40's, 2 daughters 13 and 14) this past weekend who went to Aruba...HATED every minute of it.....said they were offered drugs nearly everyplace they went, males were hitting on the wife and their 2 teen age girls....husband even walked the girls to the restrooms, said the locals drove like they were nuts..the beaches were beautiful...but no more beautiful that many other caribbbean islands naming St. Kitts and Nevis...hated the desert part of the island....but more importantly they felt the locals were only friendly if you were spending $$$$'s..first and last trip for this family


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 12, 2007, 08:32:39 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/12/

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PRESO RAMON ANGEL RODRIQUEZ A FAYECE
Autopsia lo tin di determina su morto

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Dialuna, famia y tambe autoridad concerni a worde notifica cu e preso Ramon Rodriguez cu a worde interna pa problema cu curazon a fayece inesperadamente. Ramon a worde condena pa ta den poder di arma di candela, el a comete destruction y a asesina e homber Elvis Savalla. Mas bien e tabata un caso pasional cu a hinca Ramon den problema serio pa colmo un supuesto amigo a preste dune un arma di candela.

Huez a condena Ramon 12 aña di prison, pero el a apela e caso cu porcierto tin di tuma lugar dialuna den corte comun (Hof). Pero mientras tanto Ramon a fayece den Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital direpiente.

Mientras tabata tin otro informe cu durante Ramon ta sinta su condena den KIA ,el a cuminsa haya sintomanan di problema di curazon. Segun informe pa esnan cu conoce cu nunca a duna di conoce di tin problema, examen medico a determina esaki y tramitenan a cuminsa worde haci pa Ramon tin di ricibi tratamento medico.

A yega asina leu cu a logra pa Ramon worde transporta pa Hulanda y lo keda interna den hospital cu ta atende detenidonan. Fin di siman Ramon tabata e intencion acompaña pa guardianan di KIA e lo aborda avion di KLM rumbo pa Hulnda pa e ricibi e tratamento necesario, pero tur esfuerso cu a worde haci pa logra esaki a worde cancela ya cu direpiente a drenta informe cu Ramon a fayece.

Fiscal a laga confisca e curpa di Ramon pa practica autopsia y determina causa di su morto. Locual ta su amigo Dichi Lacle cu tambe ta sera debi di a facilita segun e investigacion pa cual tambe el a worde condena si lo tin di presenta den corte coumnu ya cu elo a apela e sentencia.

Den su caso dia e a presenta den corte a tume masha na malo di a facilita e arma na Ramon sea conciente of inconciente cu e resultado fatal. DIARIO ta extende palabranan di profundo condolencia na famia di fayecido y Ramon sosega den tur tranquilidad.


Online Pap translation:

preso ramon angel rodriquez owing to fayece
autopsia will have of determina his dead


oranjestad (aan): on monday, family y also autoridad concerni owing to worde notifica cu the preso ramon rodriguez cu owing to worde interna for problem cu curazon owing to fayece unexpectedly. ramon owing to worde condena for is in power of arm of candela, past owing to comete destruction y owing to asesina he elvis savalla. more bien the was one caso pasional cu owing to hinca ramon in problem earnest for colmo one supuesto amigo owing to preste dune one arm of candela.

huez owing to condena ramon 12 year of jail, but past owing to apela the caso cu porcierto have of take lugar monday in corte comun (hof). but all the time ramon owing to fayece in dr. horacio oduber hospital all of a sudden.

while was have another informe cu during ramon is sit his condena in kia come across,el owing to cuminsa achieve sintomanan of problem of curazon. according informe for esnan cu conoce cu never owing to give of conoce of have problem, examen medico owing to determina this y tramitenan owing to cuminsa worde haci for ramon have of ricibi tratamento medico.

owing to arrive so far cu owing to succeed for ramon worde transporta for the netherlands y will stay interna in hospital cu is atende detenidonan. end of week ramon was the intencion acompaña for guardianan of kia the will aborda plane of klm direction for hulnda for her ricibi the tratamento necesario, but all attempt cu owing to worde haci for succeed this owing to worde cancela already cu all of a sudden owing to enter informe cu ramon owing to fayece.

fiscal owing to let confisca the curpa of ramon for practica autopsia y determina cause of his dead. locual is his amigo dichi lacle cu also is close debi of owing to facilita according the investigacion for cual also past owing to worde condena if will have of present in corte coumnu already cu elo owing to apela the sentencia.

in his caso day the owing to present in corte owing to tume very at bad of owing to facilita the arm at ramon as conciente or inconciente cu the result fateful. daily paper is extende words of deep condolencia at family of fayecido y ramon sosega in all tranquilidad.

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Apparently an inmate at KIA, Ramon Angel Rodriguez, died unexpectedly at the hospital. Also apparently, there were plans to send him to Holland for treatment. But all this seems to have erupted just prior to or during a court appeal.  He seems to have been in prison for killing Elvis Savalla with a firearm.

Understand that your guess is as good as mine (above) as to what happened here.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 12, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
Well ... the fun never stops today.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/12/

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MASHA TARDANZA PA HAYA DOCTER NA HOTEL PA
CONSTATA MORTO DI UN BISHITANTE

 
ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Ayera mainta esnan di hotel y tambe famia di un turista a pasa den situacion penoso ora cu un bishitante no ta duna señal di bida. Tabata momentonan di angustia y hopi tristo cu casi of mas cu dos ora no por a localiza un docter pa bay na e hotel y examina un huesped cu aparentemente lo a muri, manera e informe suministra ta indica ..

A yama polis 100 a purba 911 asina keda pa basta rato pa un docter por presenta mientras e curpa aparentemente tabata sin bida keto bay y cu famia y esnan di hotel tabata spera desesperadamente yegada di dokter .

Hasta, segun informe, lo a yama funeraria pa presenta ya cu e turista lo ta morto. Pero manera ley ta describi ta un docter tin di constata morto Finalmente despues di basta ora un docter lo a blo y cu por fin despues di a examina e turista a declara cu e ta morto.

Un funeraria lo a presenta y a transporta e curpa pa mortuario. No ta conoci kico lo a ocasiona morto di e bishitante tampoco ta conoci si autopsia lo wordo practica aki mes of na Merca.

Un cos ta sigur y esey ta cu e famia lo no ta nada contento cu e servicio relaciona cu e tardanza di un docter, mas ainda como cu nos ta propaganda cu servicio ta excelente Culpa no por wordo tira ni riba esnan di hotel ya cu nan a hasi tur na esfuerzo di duna yudanza, di a yama polis 100 , fuera 911 pa solicita un docter cu no tabata tin fin di yega y ademas a yama funeraria pa bin busca e morto debi cu dokter no tin fin pa presenta Locual cu autoridad lo tin cu bay tene cuenta cune no solamente den e caso misterioso di e turista aki, pa nan ta bon documenta pa asina evita pa ora e curpa yega su destino no wordo constata cu autopsia ta indica otro cu esun di expertonan locual.

Esaki pasobra aparentemente lo tabata tin un of mas caso den pasado cu a keda constata otro resultado durante autopsia. Tin caso tambe cu autopsia no a wordo realiza mes riba curpa di victima haya morto. Aparentemente tin un caso tambe cu a tuma lugar den principio di e aña akin a unda lo a reporta cu riba laman un homber lo a muri.

E curpa sin bida a wordo entrega na autoridad local y mientras e dos compañeronan a baha bay. A resulta despues cu e curpa sin bida lo a wordo strangula segun determinacion di autopsia na su home town.

Awor autoridad local lo ta man na cabez pa motibo cu aparentemente nan no tin mucha informe di e dos otro hombernan. cu tabata den compania di e victima.

Mientras tambe segun informe e caso di un homber haya morto y su sentencia aparentemente lo tabata skirbi riba muraya Parce cu lo a constata cu lo ta trata di un caso di suicidio pero lo ta hole den direccion di un crimen.

E dos ultimo casonan aki dificilmente nos por a haya informe di dje ya cu locual ta, si a hasi autopsia no ta divulga e resultado.

Pero lo profundiza den e dos casonan aki pa logra haya claridad si lo por ta trata di crimen cu lo a tuma lugar na un manera profesional


Online Pap translator:

very tardanza for achieve docter at hotel
for constata dead of one bishitante


oranjestad.(aan): yesterday morning esnan of hotel y also family of one tourist owing to happen in situation penoso hour cu one bishitante do not give sign of life. was momentonan of angustia y much tristo cu casi or more cu two hour not can owing to localiza one docter for bay at the hotel y examina one huesped cu apparently will owing to die, as the informe suministra is indica come across..

owing to calling police 100 owing to try 911 so stay for enough rato for one docter can present while the curpa apparently was without life keto bay y cu family y esnan of hotel was wait for desesperadamente arrival of doctor come across.

even, according informe, will owing to calling funeraria for present already cu the tourist will is dead. but as ley is describi is one docter have of constata dead finalmente after of enough hour one docter will owing to blo y cu can end after of owing to examina the tourist owing to declara cu the is dead.

one funeraria will owing to present y owing to transporta the curpa for mortuario. do not conoci kico will owing to ocasiona dead of the bishitante niether is conoci if autopsia will wordo practica here self or at merca.

anything is assure y esey is cu the family will do not nothing contento cu the servicio relaciona cu the tardanza of one docter, more still because; cu we is propaganda cu servicio is excelente culpa not can wordo throw neither on esnan of hotel already cu they owing to make all at esfuerzo of give yudanza, of owing to calling police 100 come across, fuera 911 for solicita one docter cu not was have end of arrive y besides owing to calling funeraria for come busca the dead debi cu doctor not have end for present locual cu autoridad will have cu bay as cuenta cune not only in the caso misterioso of the tourist here, for they're good documenta for so evita for hour the curpa arrive his destiny not wordo constata cu autopsia is indica another cu esun of expertonan locual.

this because apparently will was have one or more caso in pasado cu owing to stay constata another result during autopsia. have caso also cu autopsia not owing to wordo realiza self on curpa of victima achieve dead. apparently have one caso also cu did take lugar in principio of the year akin owing to where will owing to reporta cu on sea one man will owing to die.

the curpa without life owing to wordo entrega at autoridad local y while the two compañeronan owing to descend bay. owing to resulta after cu the curpa without life will owing to wordo strangula according determinacion of autopsia at his home town.

now autoridad local will is hand at cabez for motibo cu apparently they not have child informe of the two another hombernan. cu was in compania of the victima.

while also according informe the caso of one man achieve dead y his sentencia apparently will was write on wall seems cu will owing to constata cu will is deal of one caso of suicidio but will is smell in direccion of one crimen.

the two ultimo casonan here dificilmente we can owing to achieve informe of dje already cu locual is, if owing to make autopsia do not divulga the result.

but will profundiza in the two casonan here for succeed achieve claridad if will can is deal of crimen cu will did take lugar at one as profesional

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Notice that among other things, this references the man who died on ship, was deemed "natural causes" by the Aruba autopsy, and found to be strangled by the subsequent autopsy in his home town.

I believe this story is the one we saw yesterday about the tourist who died at the Mill Resort. If that's the case, it's an American tourist.

This story seems to be saying that there was a long delay in getting a doctor to the scene. Whether or not a timely response would have made a difference is likely to be a big issue. Of course that kind of determination might be made at an autopsy, and that is where the story starts talking about troublesome Aruba autopsies.

Would love to get this family's name.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 12, 2007, 10:46:31 AM
I'm not sure whether this is posted somewhere here.

Benny and Freddy Panneflek - missing since Saturday April 8th, 2006

Benny and Freddy Panneflek, Aruban brothers, left on a fishing trip and were supposed to return Saturday April 8th 2006 at 5 pm.

Boat: 18' boston whaler type. With 150 HP engine.

http://www.kparuba.com/missing.html#


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 13, 2007, 10:20:57 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/13/

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AUTORIDAD NO TA REALIZA AUTOPSIA ARIBA RESTONAN MORTAL
Suicidio y morto natural ta crimen?
 
*Causanan real di morto no ta worde estableci
*Reputacion di Aruba ariba tereno justicia ta sigui baha


ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Na mayoria di pais na mundo, ora topa cu un persona morto, ta laga haci autopsia pa determina kico tabata causa di morto. Na Aruba, ora topa cu restonan mortal ta atribui nan na loke hende bisa of ta pensa. DIARIO a realiza un investigacion cu un resultado espantoso. No tin prueba palpabel cu por papia di siucidio den varios caso ni duna seguranza cu ta morto natural. Autoridad no ta haya necesario pa realiza investigacion definitivo den forma di autopsia, cu ta e unico manera pa establece con un persona a fayece. Aruba por haya su mes den mas problema! Trinidad ta un pais cu ta puntra su mes ta con cosnan ta bay na Aruba y Merca por bira e proximo.

Antayera, casi na mes momento, dos persona a worde haya morto. Uno tabata un persona di edad cu tabata malo, cu a muri na Dakota. A yama dokter di warda, cu na mes momento a worde yama pa otro caso. Un turista a muri aparentemente den su soño. Morto natural a worde bisa den ambos caso.

Den e caso na Dakota tabata spera morto pero no a haci e trabao necesario pa asegura cu ningun hende no a dicidi pa morto bini promer cu su hora. Den e caso di e turista tabata trata di un persona di 54 aña, cu tabata sufri aparentemente di presion halto di sanger y tabata tuma medicamento. Informenan cu DIARIO a bay copila a base di e persona aki ta mustra cu e remedi cu e tabata tuma, segun esnan cu conoce remedi, por contribui na un paro di curazon. Pero tabata un paro di curazon?

Falta di señal exterior di violencia no ta descarta crimen

DIARIO a bay investiga ki causa di morto a duna. Ningun. Solamente cu tabata un morto natural, segun e docter, cu solamente por a yega na un diagnosis despues di morto, a base di e hecho cu no tabata tin señal di violencia. Esey tambe lo ta aparece ariba e documento oficial cu e turista, cu a bini Aruba como acompañante di un persona di 80 aña cu si ta bibo, lo bolbe su pais cune.

DIARIO a bay investiga si na Merca e documento aki ta suficiente pa autoridad Mericano. E contesta tabata un “no” pisa. Na Merca, si un persona worde haya morto, mester haci autopsia pa determina e causa di morto. ‘Morto natural” no ta bisa nada. Legalmente si acepta “morto natural” como causa di morto na Merca, caminda si ta para ariba specificacion, mester acepta cu no mester di e oficialidad di describi causa di morto, pasobra esey no ta worde bisa.

“No mester di señal exterior pa determina si tabata trata di crimen,” un experto a bisa DIARIO. Por ehempel, si duna un hende dos pildo envez di uno, ta autopsia so por revela cu loke ta parce morto natural no ta morto natural. Den pasado Aruba a haya su mes cu un caso, caminda a resulta cu morto natural no tabata morto natural.

Trinidad sorprendi cu a laga tripulantenan entrega capitan morto

DIARIO pa atende e asunto aki, a bay den historia y a busca mas investigacion di casonan recien, cu tabata parce dudoso. Aunke e casonan ta cera pa justicia, preguntanan ta keda habri. Den un caso, na Trinidad nan a bin descubri loke na Aruba a keda scondi. Un barco a yega Aruba. E tripulantenan, cu a bisa cu nan a haya problema ariba laman, a bisa cu nan capitan tabata morto a bordo.

Aparentemente ta personal di douane a yama dokter y despues a bay yama Fiscal. Mientrastanto e capitan a worde baha na tera. E lo tabata tin sanger ta sali for di su boca. A haci un investigacion. E tripulantenan a duna nan version.

Nan a sigui nan caminda y e capitan morto a worde manda Trinidad, caminda autoridad a haci su trabao. A haci autopsia y a resulta aparentemente, cu e capitan a worde estrangula! Aruba no por a entrega e tripulantenan, cu a sigui nan caminda, segun informantenan. E pregunta ta keda pakico no a haci autopsia. Informantenan a mustra cu no por culpa ni Polis ni ningun otro instancia. Si no ta familianan, den casonan cu ta misterioso, ta Fiscal mester dicidi cu ta haci autopsia pa dicidi di kico e hende a fayece.

Y na Aruba aparentemente, autopsia no ta worde haci. “Nan ta bisa cu ta gastamento di placa,” un informante a bisa.

Despues di muri, e victima a pone man na pecho?

Recientemente, un homber cu tabata traha na un hotel nobo, a worde haya morto den su vivienda. Un bala a traspaso su cabez. Na muraya tabata tin un mensahe: “ALTO llama a la policia Estoy muerto de un disparo No es broma” Agustin lo a skirbi na muraya promer cu el a muri.

Siucidio a worde determina. Tabata siucidio pasobra Agustin a manda yama Polis? El a worde forza pa skirbi e mensahe ariba muraya? DIARIO a sigui profundiza den e caso. Nan a hisa e colchon di cama pa busca e bala. No a haye. Unda e bala tabata? “Straño cu el a mata su mes y a pone su man ariba su pecho y e arma tambe tabata na un forma straña pa un hende cu a muri,” un informante a bisa DIARIO. Pero a busca e bala!

Autopsia mester a bisa kico a pasa. No mester a saca e restonan inmediatamente di e lugar y hasta no mester a laga tanto persona pasa. Pero tur esey a socede. Pasobra tabata siucidio. Autopsia atrobe no tabata necesario.

Casonan ta pasa pa olvido. No tin placa pa autopsia of no ta duna valor na autopsia, cu mester conclui con e persona a muri? Autopsia segun penalista experto, por a determina por ehempel, si e persona a worde droga of tabata tin otro rastronan interno pa demostra cu no tabata siucidio.

Un situacion straño ta desaroya. DIARIO ta sigui busca mas informacion. Mester evita cu paisnan ta bay exigi pa ora nan hendenan muri na Aruba nan haya sa exactamente kico a pasa. Siucidio y “morto natural” no ta suficiente. “Morto ta e aspecto mas natural di bida. E por ta pa motibo di violencia. Pero pakico e hende a muri, ta loke autoridad mester haya sa y no por sa si no haci autopsia,” e informante a asegura!



Online Pap translation:

autoridad do not realiza autopsia upstairs restonan deadly
suicidio y dead natural is crimen?
*causanan regal of dead do not worde estableci
*reputacion of aruba upstairs territory justicia is follow descend


oranjestad (aan) — at majority of country at world, hour come across cu one person dead, is let haci autopsia for determina kico was cause of dead. at aruba, hour come across cu restonan deadly is atribui they at thing person tell or is think. daily paper owing to realiza one investigacion cu one result espantoso. not have proof palpabel cu can talk of siucidio in several caso neither give seguranza cu is dead natural. autoridad do not achieve necesario for realiza investigacion definite in form of autopsia, cu is the unique as for establece con one person owing to fayece. aruba can achieve his self in more problem! trinidad is one country cu is ask about his self is con cosnan is bay at aruba y merca maybe the proximo.

the day before yesterday, casi at self instant, two person owing to worde achieve dead. uno was one person of edad cu was bad, cu owing to die at dakota. owing to calling doctor of keep, cu at self instant owing to worde calling for another caso. one tourist owing to die apparently in his dream. dead natural owing to worde tell in both caso.

in the caso at dakota was wait for dead but not owing to haci the trabao necesario for asegura cu none person not owing to dicidi for dead come before his hora. in the caso of the tourist was deal of one person of 54 year, cu was abide apparently of presion high of blood y was take medicamento. informenan cu daily paper owing to bay copila owing to base of the person here is show cu the drug cu the was take, according esnan cu conoce drug, can contribui at one paro of curazon. but was one paro of curazon?

miss of sign exterior of violencia do not descarta crimen

daily paper owing to bay investiga what cause of dead owing to give. none. only cu was one dead natural, according the docter, cu only can owing to arrive at one diagnosis after of dead, owing to base of the mature cu not was have sign of violencia. esey also will is aparece upstairs the documento oficial cu the tourist, cu owing to come aruba because; acompañante of one person of 80 year cu if is bibo, will go back his country cune.

daily paper owing to bay investiga if at merca the documento here is sufficient for autoridad mericano. the contesta was one “no” pisa. at merca, if one person worde achieve dead, have to haci autopsia for determina the cause of dead. ‘morto natural” do not tell nothing. legalmente if acepta “morto natural” because; cause of dead at merca, caminda if is stop upstairs specificacion, have to acepta cu not have to of the oficialidad of describi cause of dead, because esey do not worde tell.

“no have to of sign exterior for determina if was deal of crimen,” one experto owing to tell daily paper. for example, if give a two pill envez of uno, is autopsia only can revela cu thing is seems dead natural do not dead natural. in pasado aruba owing to achieve his self cu one caso, caminda owing to resulta cu dead natural not was dead natural.

trinidad sorprendi cu owing to let tripulantenan entrega capitan dead

daily paper for atende the asunto here, owing to bay in history y owing to busca more investigacion of casonan recien, cu was seems doubtful. although the casonan is close for justicia, questions is stay open. in one caso, at trinidad they owing to come descubri thing at aruba owing to stay scondi. one barco owing to arrive aruba. the tripulantenan, cu owing to tell cu they owing to achieve problem upstairs sea, owing to tell cu they capitan was dead owing to bordo.

apparently is personal of douane owing to calling doctor y after owing to bay calling fiscal. all the time the capitan owing to worde descend at ground. the will was have blood is leave for of his mouth. owing to haci one investigacion. the tripulantenan owing to give they version.

they owing to follow they caminda y the capitan dead owing to worde send trinidad, caminda autoridad owing to haci his trabao. owing to haci autopsia y owing to resulta apparently, cu the capitan owing to worde estrangula! aruba not can owing to entrega the tripulantenan, cu owing to follow they caminda, according informantenan. the question is stay pakico not owing to haci autopsia. informantenan owing to show cu not can culpa neither police neither none another instancia. if do not familianan, in casonan cu is misterioso, is fiscal have to dicidi cu is haci autopsia for dicidi of kico the person owing to fayece.

y at aruba apparently, autopsia do not worde haci. “nan is tell cu is gastamento of coin,” one informante owing to tell.

after of die, the victima owing to place hand at pecho?

recientemente, one man cu was work at one hotel new, owing to worde achieve dead in his vivienda. one ball owing to traspaso his cabez. at wall was have one mensahe: “alto llama owing to la policia estoy muerto de one disparo not es broma” agustin will owing to write at wall before past owing to die.

siucidio owing to worde determina. was siucidio because agustin owing to send calling police? past owing to worde forza for write the message upstairs wall? daily paper owing to follow profundiza in the caso. they owing to hoist the colchon of cama for busca the ball. not owing to haye. where the ball was? “straño cu past owing to kill his self y owing to place his hand upstairs his pecho y the arm also was at one form straña for a cu owing to die,” one informante owing to tell daily paper. but owing to busca the ball!

autopsia have to owing to tell kico owing to happen. not have to owing to saca the restonan at once of the lugar y even not have to owing to let tanto person happen. but all esey owing to socede. because was siucidio. autopsia again not was necesario.

casonan is happen for olvido. not have coin for autopsia or do not give valor at autopsia, cu have to conclui con the person owing to die? autopsia according penalista experto, can owing to determina for example, if the person owing to worde drugs or was have another rastronan inner for demostra cu not was siucidio.

one situation odd is desaroya. daily paper is follow busca more informacion. have to evita cu paisnan is bay exigi for hour they hendenan die at aruba they achieve know exactly kico owing to happen. siucidio y “morto natural” do not sufficient. “morto is the aspecto more natural of life. the can is for motibo of violencia. but pakico the person owing to die, is thing autoridad have to achieve know y not can know if not haci autopsia,” the informante owing to asegura!

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Diario is saying that on Aruba, autopsies aren't performed as often as they should be - and that autopsies performed aren't always thorough or correct.

Mentions again the case we know of, of the gentleman who died at sea. Mentions several others, plus two cases "the day before yesterday" - I take it that one is the American tourist who died at Mill Resort (the one with the delay in getting a doctor, which may cause problems in and of itself).

The article says that too often, the word of another party, or what I'll call assumptions by the polis, are taken literally and the death deemed to be "natural cause" or "suicide" without further investigation.

Wish I knew which other cases the article is talking about ... don't know whether we already have them here or not.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 14, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
Posted by bleachedblack on the LCD 06/14/2007:

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Here are a few more window smashing accounts.

http://tinyurl.com/2uzch3

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http://tinyurl.com/3968db

06-09-2005, 12:25 AM
I visited Aruba in June 2004. We rented from Budget. We opted to not get the insurance. Well, we were scammed BIG TIME. The car first of all had scratches and nicks all over it. On the day we were leaving the island we took the car back and there was a mark on the side. It was a white "rub" mark. The kind of mark you get when something with paint on it rubs against something else. This was NOT a scratch, dent etc.. It needed a little buffing cream. Anyway, we knew that we didn't put the mark there. Well, the guy came out and barely looked at it and told us the WHOLE car would need repainted!! Ummm...what about all the scratches and nicks on it already? Was it repainted from the last suckers you scammed? They had our credit card info and charged us $500 to have it "repainted"! I told them I wanted pictures and proof that it was indeed repainted. Surprise...never heard from them again. These people know where you are staying. I really believe they send people out to do damage to these cars to rip you off. Also we were robbed while we were diving. Our stuff was taken out of the car. All of my friends money and ID was stolen. I felt so violated and unsafe in Aruba. The only good part was we met a girl from Belgium who works at one of the hospitals as a nurse and we became friends and she came back to the states several times to stay with us. I hope everyone has better luck than we did!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 14, 2007, 04:07:20 PM
bleachedblack also posted links to these two incidents on the LCD on 06/14/2007:

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This is a message I posted on the Aruba BB Forum about our trip in Nov.
I can relate.

We just returned from our 6th trip to Aruba.
We enjoy the island very much and have another trip planned in April 2005
BUT, here is a word of CAUTION.
DO NOT LEAVE VALUABLES UNATTENDED.
Our rented Jeep wrangler hardtop was broken into and they stole my $700.00 USD dive camera. The thieves smashed the passenger side window, grabbed some beach stuff and my Reef Master 35mm camera with strobe light and hard watertight case. (The strobe light is unique in that I had to repair the attachment from the handle to the strobe light with two small 1/16th diam. pins). The bill for the window repair was $695.00. We did not take the extra insurance, but the guys from Top Drive said the insurance has a $500 deductible to cover accidents only, not thief or vandalism.
The police were very busy and took more than 2 hours to meet with me about the report. It took 2 return trips to San Nicholas to get the hand typed report. (You know Americans they are very impatient when it comes to waiting for someone).
We think we saw the thieves. We were parked at the south end of the island parking area for Seroe Colorado lighthouse (a lighted beacon on a metal structure). It was raining when we got there at noon on Tuesday Nov 23. We ate a picnic lunch, which we had bought from Subway, in the Jeep while we waited for the rain to stop. While we ate a beat-up white car (perhaps a 4 door Toyota corolla, not sure) backs down to the lower parking area where we were. The occupants “looked out of place” as they are 2 young men in their late teens. One was dark skinned with dreadlocks the other was white with very short hair, loud music playing, widows open in the rain. Including the upper paved area and the lower (very rough un-paved) area there were many places they could have parked, except they backed down right next to us.
When they realized that we were in the jeep, they left. We watched them drive off out of sight. We finished our lunch took some photos of the surf and the prison and then drove to the upper paved parking area where some tourist had arrived in a minivan. We felt secure to leave a locked jeep while we explored the nearby cliffs. We only lost sight of the parking area for about 15 min. (there is a small natural bridge down over the cliffs). When we returned to the parking area the family with the minivan said there car had been ransacked and we had a broken window.
They had not locked their minivan which they only left for 5 min. The glove box had been emptied onto the floor and their diaper bag had been dumped on the ground. Nothing missing. Nothing broken, they were lucky.
The inside of our Jeep was covered with glass. Glove box manual and rental receipt emptied to the floor ice water from the cooler dumped on the floor. Beach bag was missing, as was the dive camera. We had placed it on the floor with a towel over it (not really hidden). More tourists came as we were trying to clean glass from the seats. We told them of our misfortune and warned them. They then asked if the beach bag they had found down the road belonged to us. YES, we went to the area and walked thru the thorn bushes and found our shoes, socks, sunglasses and bag for the camera that we were using at the cliffs. Everything was recovered except the dive camera.
The police took forever to meet with me.
The guys from Top Drive asked what we wanted to do.
We said we wanted another 4x4 with air conditioning and glass. They gave us an upgrade to a 6 passenger Suzuki 4x4.
They said bill would be available later in the week.
They were fast and courteous… But later handed us a repair bill for $695.00. We hope the American express will cover the cost of the repair.


<name redacted>
More at link:
http://tinyurl.com/2mqhfx

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Author: <name redacted>
Date:   03-05-05 10:18

They always say that there is no crime in Aruba. I have been there 7 times and never had any problems but on Presidents Day 2005, someone threw a rock thru my jeep window and stole my wallet with $500 in it. Also took my digital underwater camara, 2 wet suites, fins, mask and snorkles, towels and beach bag. Over $3,000 worth. Make sure that you never leave anything. Even if it is locked up. They say that some of the locals have a bad drug habit and thats what they do to support it. We love Aruba and plan to always go back but be carefull leaving things in your cars and jeeps. I was snorkling down by spanish lagoon and there is not alot of people around that area so I know that it is much safer up by the high rises but you don't want to take the risk. It could end up ruinning alot of peoples family vacations.

<name redacted>

http://tinyurl.com/2wcxjh


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 14, 2007, 04:09:59 PM
Sorry, forgot to "URL" the second link above ... just copy and paste into your browser to go to the post.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 15, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Tres local deteni abordo di yate Obsession…
CASO 70 KILO DI DROGA CONFISCA PA AUTORIDADNAN
Radar, polis maritimo y cacho di douane a haci un bon trabao….

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Awe DIARIO kier habri e articulo aki felicitando e bon trabao cu esnan vigilando botonan riba radar, polis maritimo y tambe cacho di douane a haci pa asina kita un total di mas of menos 70 kilo di droga for di riba Mercado. Tur cos a cuminsa a base di movecionnan capta riba e radar unda e yate Obsession tabata biniendo for di Venezuela.

Online Pap translation:
three local deteni abordo of yacht obsession…
caso 70 kilo of drugs confisca for autoridadnan
radar, police maritimo y cacho of douane owing to haci one good trabao….

oranjestad(aan): today daily paper wanted open the articulo here felicitando the good trabao cu esnan vigilando botonan on radar, police maritimo y also cacho of douane owing to haci for so less one overall of more or less 70 kilo of drugs for of on market. all cos owing to cuminsa owing to base of movecionnan capta on the radar where the yacht obsession was biniendo for of venezuela.

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More at link: http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/15/

70 kilos - 154 lbs


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 18, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/18/

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HOBEN A TRIBI DI COMETE KIEBRO Y HORTA BULLET-PROOF VEST DI POLISNAN

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diasabra marduga ora cu patruyanan a bay brinda asistencia pa bringamento na e clubnan nocturno, antisocialnan a probecha di e situacion.
Hobennan a mira cu e auto di Polis ta staciona na e cruzada di Weststraat y Lloyd G. Smith Boulevard y a forza e glas di bentana pa asina habri drenta den e patruya y logra bay cu un bulletproof vest cu tabatin den e auto.
Testigonan cu a wak e acto aki a avisa autoridad cu descripcion di e malhechor y den cual direccion el a bay.
Inmediatamente a cuminza un buskeda den e area, a para y controla tur auto cu tabata riba e parkinglot patras di Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.
E listramento aki no a logra su resultado ya cu no a logra haya e malhechor ni mucho menos e vest.
Mas despues un hoben a presenta na warda y a entrega un articulonan ariba menciona na comandante di polis. El a laga di haya e articulonan menciona patras di Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.
Polis a gradici e hoben di 21 aña cu a bin te warda pa entrega articulonan.


Online Pap translation:

young owing to be bold of comete kiebro y steal bullet-proof vest of polisnan

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga hour cu patruyanan owing to bay brinda asistencia for bringamento at the clubnan nocturno, antisocialnan owing to probecha of the situation.

hobennan owing to see cu the car of police is staciona at the cruzada of weststraat y lloyd g. smith boulevard y owing to forza the glass of window for so open enter in the patrol y succeed bay cu one bulletproof vest cu had in the car.

testigonan cu owing to look at the acto here owing to avisa autoridad cu descripcion of the malhechor y in cual direccion past owing to bay.

at once owing to cuminza one buskeda in the area, owing to stop y controla all car cu was on the parkinglot behind carlos ‘n charlie’s.

the listramento here not owing to succeed his result already cu not owing to succeed achieve the malhechor neither mucho less the vest.

more after one young owing to present at keep y owing to entrega one articulonan upstairs menciona at comandante of police. past owing to let of achieve the articulonan menciona behind carlos ‘n charlie’s.

police owing to gradici the young of 21 year cu owing to come till keep for entrega articulonan.

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I *think* - Guy breaks window of POLIS CAR  :shock:  and opens the trunk, steals a bullet proof vest  :shock:  . Apparently someone spotted the bad guy and gave a description and direction he headed for ... polis caught up with him in the parking lot at C&C. Not sure what time it was but it looks dark in the photos.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 09:35:38 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 06/19/2007

Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday {06/16/2007} morning. A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz. The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect. After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza . The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot. According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car. Several members of the gangs were arrested. The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some. The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors. There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital. The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on June 19, 2007, 09:42:47 AM
Armed gangs fighting with the police?  And sounds as though the police were not really able to restore order in anything like a timely and professional manner with the mêlée continuing at the hospital.

These fights or riots were happening in the tourist bar section, too, and could only be disbanded by closing at least two bars frequented by tourists.  

Doesn't sound very safe and happy to me.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/19/

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CONOCIDO DEN MUNDO DI MODA A BIRA VICTIMA DI MALTRATO, ROBO Y SECUESTRO

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ayera madruga, un otro hecho cu ta un muestra din unda nos hubentud ta bayendo, ta esun cu a sosode ora cu e ciudadano di inicial M. D., kende por cierto ta un persona hopi conoci den mundo di moda, a bira victima di atraco, maltrato y secuestro.
Ta asina cu un grupo di hende, probablemente di Santa Cruz, a logra saca e persona aki for di su auto, maltrate severamente, kita su paña, lague full sunu pa despues bandon’e den e area di Sero Pita.

E antisocialnan a bay cu su auto, paña, celular y su placa. E victima, ainda den e condicion cu el a keda, a logra haya un pida serbete cu tabata colga na un cas eybanda pa asina e por a tapa su curpa.

Ta di e forma aki cu e por a notifica polis di e sucedido. Autoridad a presenta na e sitio y mirando e estado delicado di e victima, a hibe su cas pa e por a bisti algun paña y pa e ricibi atencion medico debido.

Despues, M.D. a bay cerca Recherche pa entrega e keho respectivo. Ya den transcurso di dia, polis a notifica M.D. cu nan a haya su auto den e area di Washington y cu nan lo sigui tras di e pista di esnan cu a haci nan mes culpable di e hecho lamentable aki.



Online Pap translation:

conocido in world of manner owing to become victima of maltrato, abstraction y secuestro

oranjestad (aan): yesterday madruga, one another mature cu is one sample din where we hubentud is bayendo, is esun cu owing to sosode hour cu the ciudadano of inicial m. d., that can cierto is one person much conoci in world of manner, owing to become victima of atraco, maltrato y secuestro.

is so cu one are of person, probably of santa cruz, owing to succeed saca the person here for of his car, maltrate severamente, less his cloths, lague full sunu for after bandon’e in the area of hill pita.

the antisocialnan owing to bay cu his car, cloths, celular y his coin. the victima, still in the condicion cu past owing to stay, owing to succeed achieve one piece serbete cu was colga at one cas eybanda for so the can owing to tapa his curpa.

is of the form here cu the can owing to notifica police of the sucedido. autoridad owing to present at the sitio y mirando the estado delicado of the victima, owing to hibe his cas for her can owing to dress some cloths y for her ricibi atencion medico debido.

after, m.d. owing to bay close recherche for entrega the complaint respectivo. already in transcurso of day, police owing to notifica m.d. cu they owing to achieve his car in the area of washington y cu they will follow behind the pista of esnan cu owing to haci they self culpable of the mature lamentable here.

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The headline is saying Mistreatment, Robbery, Kidnapping.

Is there a "Washington" area of Aruba? (Among the many questions bout this one. I can't even figure out whether the victime is a him or a her.  ) I DO *think* the car was found.

Wonder if this was a tourist victim?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 20, 2007, 10:42:35 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/20/

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RECHERCHE INVESTIGANDO CASO DI SECUESTRO Y CAR-JACKING

ORANJESTAD (AAN): E caso di secuestro, combina cu maltrato serio y car-jacking cu a tuma lugar recientemente tin debido atencion di autoridad competente.
   
Manera e version a worde compila den DIARIO di Diamars, esaki a keda confirma pa e propio victima riba Diamars mainta den un entrevista corto cu Reportero a sostene cu e victima M.D.L. di 44 aña di edad.
   
Sospecho ta bay den direccion di un grupo di homber cu a haci nan mes culpable na e acto baho aki.
   
Un grupo di mucha homber a subi den auto di e victima y a pone core direccion di Sero Pita y  ora nan a yega, nan a maltrata e diseñador di modelo entre otro den su cara. Tambe nan a kita su paña lagando e victima sunu.
   
Fuera a laga e victima atras y pa asina nan a bay cu su auto Toyota  Corolla  stationwagon.
   
Diamars mainta, e victima a bolbe presenta na Recherche relaciona cu e sucedido. DIARIO tin entendi cu tin fuerte sospecho cu e malhechornan lo ta conoci y no ta exclui un ora  pa otro detencion lo cay den e asunto aki.


Online Pap translation:

recherche investigando caso of secuestro y car-jacking

oranjestad (aan): the caso of secuestro, combina cu maltrato earnest y car-jacking cu did take lugar recientemente have debido atencion of autoridad competente.

as the version owing to worde compila in daily paper of tuesday, this owing to stay confirma for her own victima on tuesday morning in one interview corto cu reportero owing to sostene cu the victima m.d.l. of 44 year of edad.

suspicion is bay in direccion of one are of man cu owing to haci they self culpable at the acto low here.

one are of boy owing to lever in car of the victima y owing to place core direccion of hill pita y hour they owing to arrive, they owing to maltrata the diseñador of model among another in his cara. also they owing to less his cloths lagando the victima sunu.

fuera owing to let the victima behind y for so they owing to bay cu his car toyota corolla stationwagon.

tuesday morning, the victima owing to go back present at recherche relaciona cu the sucedido. daily paper have entendi cu have strong suspicion cu the malhechornan will is conoci y do not exclui one hour for another detencion will cay in the asunto here.

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This is a followup to the previous post about "Kidnapping, Mistreatment, Robbery" ... I think it clarifies that the victim is M.D.L., age 44. Also, from the prevalence of masculine pronouns, sounds like MDL is a male. (Although there is that one reference to "her victim" ... )


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 10:57:15 AM
Buckeye posted this on the LCD 06/20/2007:

For murder and crime thread (because I can't find it without a link):

The island I felt was windier than normal this year, as we would get sand blasted occasionally. I also did not feel as safe this year as I have in the past.Part of the reason is that our friends, Jean and Doug had the theft in their rented home while we were there, but also there seems to have been some feeling of nervousness abound. I only saw the visibility team on the beach on quads 3 times in 3 weeks.....and I was on the beach daily. At night, the sidewalk was virtually empty behind the hotels.....it just seemed different. It's not that I ever felt unsafe....I guess I just felt the need to be more aware of my surroundings than I had in the past.

http://tinyurl.com/yuh3cb


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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Rifle, shotgun y semi uzi confisca den Weg Fontein…
PLANTACION GRANDI DI MARIHUANA Y ARMA NA CAS
DI BLONCHIE VROLIJK


ORANJESTAD(AAN):Blonchie Vrolijk parce di no a siña su les algun aña pasa ora cu polis a drenta su cas den Sero Colorado y asina confisca un plantacion grandi di droga y dos arma di candela. E biaha aki polisnan a te hasta keda asombra con bon hinca den otro Blonchie Vrolijk tin su plantacion nobo na Weg Fontein.

Straño cu esnan unda e ta cumpra tur su pochinan pa planta no ta notifica polis di e tipo di elementonan asina cu no tin cara di hendenan cu ta planta mata pa hobby, pero mas bien pa cultiva droga.

For di mainta trempan asina cu solo tabata saliendo un team grandi di recherché cu ta cay bao di comisario Dolphi Richardson y cu ta den e Team Bijzondere Projecten TBP encabeza pa inspector Fredson Panneflek a sali caya.

Cuater cas nan a bishita buscando droga. Hunto cu nan tabata tey Inspectora Vanessa Kock hefe di departamento di droga. Mirando cu aki ta trata di e barrio di pariba di brug tabata tey tambe polis di barrio Kenneth Philips cu ta esun cu tabata haya tur e kehonan riba e tantisimo plantacion di marihuana.

Drentando cas di Blonchie Vrolijk a bin haya un shotgun y un rifle. Buscando den e auto para pafor di cas a bin haya un tipo di UZI den e pickup.

E agentenan di TBP a confisca tur e armanan haya na e cas den Weg Fontein mientras cu a ranca como 200 mata di marihuana cu e tabata cultiva.

Ningun huez lo kere cu ta pa propio uso pasobra paden tambe a haya marihuana cla pa bende. Un cantidad considerable di placa tambe a ser haya y mescos balansa pa pisa e droga.

Dos pickup na e cas a ser hiba warda di polis. Riba e fotonan exclusivo aki por mira mas di detencion y hayasgo di droga na cas di Blonchie


Online Pap translation:

rifle, shotgun y semi uzi confisca in weg fontein…
plantacion big of marihuana y arm at home
of blonchie vrolijk


oranjestad(aan):blonchie vrolijk seems of not owing to learn his lesson some year happen hour cu police owing to enter his cas in hill colorado y so confisca one plantacion big of drugs y two arm of candela. the trip here polisnan owing to till even stay asombra con good hinca in another blonchie vrolijk have his plantacion new at weg fontein.

odd cu esnan where the is cumpra all his pochinan for plant do not notifica police of the type of elementonan so cu not have cara of hendenan cu is plant kill for hobby, but more bien for cultivadrugs.

for of morning trempan so cu sun was saliendo one team big of recherché cu is cay bao of comisario dolphi richardson y cu is in the team bijzondere projecten tbp encabeza for inspector fredson panneflek owing to leave caya.

cuater cas they owing to visit buscando drugs. together cu they was tey inspectora vanessa kock boss of departamento of drugs. mirando cu here is deal of the barrio of east of bridge was tey also police of barrio kenneth philips cu is esun cu was achieve all the kehonan on the tantisimo plantacion of marihuana.

drentando cas of blonchie vrolijk owing to come achieve one shotgun y one rifle. buscando in the car stop abroad of cas owing to come achieve one type of uzi in the pickup.

the agentenan of tbp owing to confisca all the armanan achieve at the cas in weg fontein while cu owing to ranca because; 200 kill of marihuana cu the was cultiva.

none huez will believe cu is for own usage because inside also owing to achieve marihuana cla for sell. one cantidad considerable of coin also owing to being achieve y same equilibrium for pisa the drugs.

two pickup at the cas owing to being take away keep of police. on the fotonan exclusivo here can see more of detencion y hayasgo of drugs at home of blonchie.

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I *think* the "200 kill" means 200 kilos ( = 440p lbs).


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 11:24:51 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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Recherche ta pone un fin na instigadornan…
PICHA DETENI DEN MADIKI PA TEAM DI ARESTO

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Recherche di Oranjestad encarga cu e investigacion tumando lugar actualmente riba e bringamento cu a tuma lugar fin di siman cu ta tras di lomba a laga sa hopi cla cu esaki ta ultimo biaha cu ta comete un acto asina serio contra polis.

E balentenan cu ta kere cu nan lo subi caya y bin instiga otronan contra polis lo carga consecuencianan serio.

Esaki tabata palabranan di inspectornan Carlos Hodge y Daniel Jacobs kendenan ta encabeza e caso aki. Ya caba a cuminsa piki algun di e instigadornan den e bringadornan di Madiki y Dakota.

Actualmente tin hendenan cu a keda deteni riba e dia di bringamento, pero tin tambe cu a keda deteni diamars atardi na pia di trabao mientras cu marduga di diaranzon tambe team di aresto a sorpresa uno den Madiki den su soño.

Esun den grupo di Dakota deteni na pia di trabao ta di inicialnan C.H. mientras cu e otro den Madiki ta di inicialnan R.T. mihor conoci como Picha.

Polis tin tur dos graba ta habri boca cu nan unda te hasta boter y bloki a skeiro e marduga aki. E team di aresto den careda di 4’or a drenta e cas di R.T. den Madiki caminda cu a detene y hibe warda.

Su muher tambe a keda deteni e momento ey. A listra e cas caminda a haya un cantidad di Marihuana pa uso propio aparentemente. A listra tambe den dos auto buscando posible arma di candela.

No a haya arma di candela, pero e investigacion ta sigui su rumbo unda lo no sera e caso mientras cu no pone man riba esun cu a kima e auto di polis


Online Pap translation:

recherche is place one end at instigadornan…
picha deteni in madiki for team of aresto


oranjestad(aan):recherche of oranjestad encarga cu the investigacion tumando lugar actualmente on the bringamento cu did take lugar end of week cu is behind back owing to let know much cla cu this is ultimo trip cu is comete one acto so earnest contra police.

the balentenan cu is believe cu they will lever caya y come instiga others contra police will carga consecuencianan earnest.

this was words of inspectornan carlos hodge y daniel jacobs kendenan is encabeza the caso here. already end owing to cuminsa piki some of the instigadornan in the bringadornan of madiki y dakota.

actualmente have hendenan cu owing to stay deteni on the day of bringamento, but have also cu owing to stay deteni tuesday nightfall at leg of trabao while cu marduga of diaranzon also team of aresto owing to surprise uno in madiki in his dream.

esun in are of dakota deteni at leg of trabao is of inicialnan c.h. while cu the another in madiki is of inicialnan r.t. mihor conoci because; picha.

police have all two graba is open mouth cu they where till even boter y bloki owing to skeiro the marduga here. the team of aresto in careda of 4’or owing to enter the cas of r.t. in madiki caminda cu owing to detene y hibe keep.

his muher also owing to stay deteni the instant ey. owing to listra the cas caminda owing to achieve one cantidad of marihuana for usage own apparently. owing to listra also in two car buscando posible arm of candela.

not owing to achieve arm of candela, but the investigacion is follow his direction where will not close the caso while cu not place hand on esun cu owing to burn the car of police.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 11:39:26 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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Cas yena cu camara, yen di cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
LORENZO VAN GIJN DETENI PA PLANTACION GRANDI
DI MARIHUANA NA SAVANETA


ORANJESTAD(AAN):Lorenzo van Gijn no ta un desconoci di polis. Den e bishitanan cu e Team Bijzondere Projecten a haci na diferente lugar, su cas no tabata un excepcion.

E ta biba den Yaraweg y na su cas e team special a pasa basta dolor di cabez pa drenta. E cas ta full rondona cu prikkeldraad, camara tur rond y algun monster di cacho den cura. Asina mes e agentenan a drenta y cu shotgun den man pa defende nan mes contra e cachonan brabo.

Despues di basta grita no a haya ningun hende ta reacciona y drentando den e cas a bin topa cu Lorenzo van Gijn morto na soño. El a wordo lanta mesora y a bay directamente cune unda e droga tabata na diferente parti bon sera den cura patras di cas.

Den un cooler na e cas a haya masha hopi marihuana tambe. A listra den diferente autonan costoso den e cura di cas.

Den discoteca priva tambe a haya marihuana mientras cu a confisca un ice jug yen di placa. Lorenzo van Gijn a bisa polis cu ta pa propio uso.

Otro mas cu ta kere den storia of ta kere cu tur hende ta pensa mescos cune. Riba e fotonan aki por mira mas di e accion na cas di Lorenzo van Gijn den Yara Weg.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/LorenzoArrested.jpg)
Lorenzo - apparently - arrested.

Online Pap translation:

cas fill cu camara, complete of cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
lorenzo van gijn deteni for plantacion big
of marihuana at savaneta


oranjestad(aan):lorenzo van gijn do not one desconoci of police. in the bishitanan cu the team bijzondere projecten owing to haci at various lugar, his cas not was one excepcion.

the live in yaraweg y at his cas the team special owing to happen enough dolor of cabez for enter. the cas is full rondona cu prikkeldraad, camara all rond y some monster of cacho in cura. so self the agentenan owing to enter y cu shotgun in hand for defende they self contra the cachonan brabo.

after of enough bark not owing to achieve none person is reacciona y drentando in the cas owing to come come across cu lorenzo van gijn dead at dream. past owing to wordo arise at once y owing to bay directamente cune where the drugs was at various part good close in cura behind cas.

in one cooler at the cas owing to achieve very much marihuana also. owing to listra in various autonan costoso in the cura of cas.

in discoteca priva also owing to achieve marihuana while cu owing to confisca one ice jug complete of coin. lorenzo van gijn owing to tell police cu is for own usage.

another more cu is believe in storia or is believe cu everybody is think same cune. on the fotonan here can see more of the accion at home of lorenzo van gijn in yara weg.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 12:20:06 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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Nan no tabata sa cu e ta contra ley pa planta marihuana…
TATA Y YIU WINKLAAR DETENI PA ARMA Y DROGA HAYA DEN NAN CAS NA GOLF WEG


ORANJESTAD(AAN):E tata a bisa polis cu e no tabata sa cu ta prohibi pa planta marihuana na Aruba.

E yiu homber no ta traha y ta na cas cultivando marihuana hunto cu su tata kende a biba na Hulanda, nabega hopi aña y te hasta tin un brevet di piloto.

Despues di a mata un otro boa na nan cas den Golf Weg e siman aki, polisnan di e team special a yega di sopresa riba nan.

Net e tata di fam Winklaar tabata drenta cura di cas y mesora a puntre si e ta planta marihuana. Na momento cu el a confirma esaki mesora el a keda deteni.

El a ser hiba na su plantacion mientras cu algun agente a drenta den e cas buscando pa arma y mas droga.

Esaki nan a haya tambe y te hasta droga ta seca den dak di e cas. A bin topa cu algun rifle di cual uno modifica den bala cayente y tambe un revolver caliber 38 special.

Esey tabata motibo pa mas tempo e bay keda tras di trali. Despues di a busca den henter e caso y ranca tur mata di marihuana a logra transporta e droga, arma y tata cu yiu pa warda di polis. Tur dos lo keda sera por lo pronto.


Online Pap translation:

they not was know cu the is contra ley for plant marihuana…
father y child winklaar deteni for arm y drugs achieve in they cas at golf weg


oranjestad(aan):e father owing to tell police cu the not was know cu is prohibi for plant marihuana at aruba.

the son do not work y is at home cultivando marihuana together cu his father that owing to live at the netherlands, nabega much year y till even have one brevet of piloto.

after of owing to kill one another boa at they cas in golf weg the week here, polisnan of the team special owing to arrive of sopresa on they.

just the father of surname winklaar was enter cura of cas y at once owing to puntre if the is plant marihuana. at instant cu past owing to confirma this at once past owing to stay deteni.

past owing to being take away at his plantacion while cu some agent owing to enter in the cas buscando for arm y more drugs.

this they owing to achieve also y till even drugs is seca in roof of the cas. owing to come come across cu some rifle of cual uno modifica in ball cayente y also one revolver caliber 38 special.

esey was motibo for more time the bay stay behind trali. after of owing to busca in all the caso y ranca all kill of marihuana owing to succeed transporta the drugs, arm y father cu child for keep of police. all two will stay close can will soon.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 12:27:47 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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Cacho Pitbull tabata cuida su plantacion….
RASTA VROLIJK BIBA DEN NIJHOFFSTRAAT TABATA TIN PLANTACION GRANDI DI MARIHUANA

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Rasta Vrolijk tin su plantacion di marihuana full sera cu plachinan di zink. Den e mesun cura aki e tin tambe un cacho Pitbull cu ta cuida su matanan di marihuana.

Diaranzon esaki tabata e di dos cas cu a haya bishita di e team special TBP di cuerpo policial. Rasta Vrolijk no tabata na cas ora polis a yega.

Polis tabata buske cu masha cautela pasobra aki ta trata di un persona cu sa cana cu arma di candela. Algun conocir di dje a notifike mesora cu polis ta na su cas y el a yega eynan den algun minuut.

Aunke el a baha cu boca grandi, tog autoridadnan a pone na water pas mesora. A listra den e cas y a confisca e droga cu a haya den cura como tambe den e cas mes.

A listra den su auto, pero no a haya nada contra ley. Asina mes a confisca e auto hibe warda di polis pendiente investigacion.


Online Pap translation:

cacho pitbull was cuida his plantacion….
rasta vrolijk live in nijhoffstraat was have plantacion big of marihuana


oranjestad(aan):rasta vrolijk have his plantacion of marihuana full close cu plachinan of sink. in the same cura here the have also one cacho pitbull cu is cuida his matanan of marihuana.

diaranzon this was the of two cas cu owing to achieve visit of the team special tbp of cuerpo policial. rasta vrolijk not was at home hour police owing to arrive.

police was buske cu very cautela because here is deal of one person cu know march cu arm of candela. some conocir of dje owing to notifike at once cu police is at his cas y past owing to arrive eynan in some minuut.

although past owing to descend cu mouth big, tog autoridadnan owing to place at water peace at once. owing to listra in the cas y owing to confisca the drugs cu owing to achieve in cura because; also in the cas self.

owing to listra in his car, but not owing to achieve nothing contra ley. so self owing to confisca the car hibe keep of police pendiente investigacion.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 12:49:13 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/

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PABIEN TEAM BIJZONDERE PROJECTEN TBP CU E DETENCION DI ARMANAN POTENTE Y PLANTACION GRANDI DI MARIHUANA DESCUBRI NA VARIOS CAS ROND DI NOS ISLA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ayera, un grupo di agentenan for di oranan tempran di madruga a tene un accion tremendo cu a conduci na varios detencion den diferente bario rond di nos isla.

Un grupo di agentenan di e Team Bijzondere Projecten TBP, cu sosten di comisario Dolphi Richardson, a bishita di forma inespera varios cas caminda a logra kita como 1000 mata di marihuana for di mercado y tambe armanan potente.

Den nos edicion di awe,Aunke Comisario Dolphi Richardson mes no tabata tey, tog e tabata ser notifica cada rato di tur loke tabata pasando.

Nos a mira tambe hunto cu e grupo un veterano den investigacion den casonan di droga Dennis Jacobs.

Cu ayudo di algun agente cu nan a pidi pa copera, e agentenan den TBP a sali cu bon pia. Ta spera cu nan sigui asina tambe pasobra den prome sali caba nan a score cu un puntuahe masha halto mes.

Un biaha mas inspectora Vanessa Kock, Fredson Panneflek, Dennis Jacobs, Kenneth Philips y demas coleganan presente, boso a haci un tremendo trabao y awe DIARIO publicamente ta felicita boso den nomber di e fiel lectornan y pueblo di Aruba.


Online Pap translation:

pabien team bijzondere projecten tbp cu the detencion
of armanan powerful y plantacion big of marihuana
descubri at several cas rond of we island


oranjestad (aan): yesterday, one are of agentenan for of oranan early of madruga owing to as one accion tremendo cu owing to conduci at several detencion in various district rond of we island.

one are of agentenan of the team bijzondere projecten tbp, cu sosten of comisario dolphi richardson, owing to visit of form inespera several cas caminda owing to succeed less because; 1000 kill of marihuana for of market y also armanan powerful.

in we edicion of today,aunke comisario dolphi richardson self not was tey, tog the was being notifica cada rato of all thing was pasando.

we owing to see also together cu the are one veteran in investigacion in casonan of drugs dennis jacobs.

cu aid of some agent cu they owing to ask for copera, the agentenan in tbp owing to leave cu good leg. is wait for cu they follow so also because in first leave end they owing to score cu one puntuahe very high self.

once more inspectora vanessa kock, fredson panneflek, dennis jacobs, kenneth philips y other coleganan present, you owing to haci one tremendo trabao y today daily paper publicamente is felicita you in name of the loyal lectornan y people of aruba.

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In all, 1000 kilos of marijuana ( = 2200 pounds). No mention of other types of drugs. This article seems to be summarizing or congratulating the officials involved with this major drug bust.

This photo appeared with this article.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/firearms.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 01:10:42 PM
******* posted another photo of Lorenzo under arrest on the LCD; it's better than the one in Diario. (I just wanted it in a place where I know we can FIND it ... )

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/l.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Observer on June 21, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
Awemainta.com :wink:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzo3.jpg)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzo2.jpg)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzobust.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 21, 2007, 04:18:20 PM
Thanks *******!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Observer on June 21, 2007, 04:31:41 PM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzobust-1.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 22, 2007, 09:52:15 AM
Winklaars (from pot bust raid):

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Winklaar.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 22, 2007, 10:34:47 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/  06/22/2007

Police discovered marihuana plantations  

The police have confiscated almost 1.000 marihuana plants and a big number of firearms during three raids.

SAN NICOLAS – During raids in homes in San Nicolas yesterday, a special unit of the police corps ran up against four marihuana plantations and a considerable number of firearms, including a semi-automatic Uzi.  They arrested five persons, some of them well-known by the police.  

The police action focused on the areas in Savaneta and San Nicolas and four houses at the Golfweg, Nijhoffstraat, Weg Fontein, and in Jara were raided and the marihuana plantations were discovered.  The police confiscated almost 1.000 marihuana plants.  Further search also delivered a great deal of firearms, including pistols, rifles, the semi-automatic Uzi, and a considerable amount of ammunition.

The plants, the weapons, and the ammunition were taken to the police station in Oranjestad for further investigation and to be destroyed.    

The action of the Team Proyectonan Special ( TBP ) was part of a stricter approach of drug criminality; the result of one of the priorities that the police have set this year, namely pushing back the drug criminality.  “We are very pleased with the result and we hope that the Public Prosecutor cooperate in this case and prosecute the persons we have arrested”, said Police-inspector Vanessa Kock.

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Photo accompanying this article shows the same 5 weapons.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 22, 2007, 11:11:04 AM
Here are IDs for those other than Lorenzo and the Winklaars. All of these photos were in the 06/21/2007 edition of Diario.

Rasta Vrolijk:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/rastavrolijk.jpg)

R.T. (location Madiki):
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/dromadiki.jpg)

Blonchie Vrolijk:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/blonchievrolijk.jpg)

It seems that Rasta and Blonchie are two different Vrolijks.

No photo thus far of the other person who was identified only by initials. (C.H.).


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Observer on June 22, 2007, 06:04:50 PM
More of the same from the bust at Lorenzo's house..Big bag's of dried leaves and weapons are shown in these pics. The dried leaves were saved for probably making canabutter or hash.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzo4.jpg)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzo5.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Observer on June 24, 2007, 01:15:33 AM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Lorenzovanrijn.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/lorenzobustday2.jpg)


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 25, 2007, 01:39:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   06/23/2007

Suspects’ custody extended  

A lot of bags were needed for carrying off the almost 1000 confiscated marihuana plants.

ORANJESTAD – The Public Prosecutor has extended the custody of the five suspects that were arrested during a raid in Savaneta and San Nicolas last Wednesday, with another eight days.  

Last Wednesday, the team of special projects of the police corps arrested the five men, L.R, J.V., R.V, D.W., and M.W. and confiscated 898 hemp plants, two live cartridges, five firearms, cars and money, during house searches in several homes.  The Public Prosecutor indicated that the five suspects will be charged with possession of hemps, firearms, and live cartridges.  

AUTO

S.M., the suspect of setting a car on fire on the premises of the police station in Sta. Cruz will remain in custody for another eight days.  A group of young persons in Macuarima were shot and injured from this car, a Toyota Scarlet, on June 8th.    The police caught up with the car, confiscated it and parked it in the watched area near the Hall of Justice in Sta. Cruz, where it was set on fire two days later.

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These clear up a few things:

Re. the pot bust:

898 PLANTS, not kilos, of marijuana.

In the order the initials are listed above (which IS alphabetical), those arrested were Lorenzo van Rijn, Blonchie Vrolijk (I assume this to be ""J.V."), Rasta Vrolijk, and D. Winklaar and M. Winklaar (they are father/son).

(Four residences involved.)

Exactly five firearms. (3 at Blonchie Vrolijk's, 2 at the Winklaar's).

Charges are "hemp, firearms, live cartridges" ... no other drugs mentioned in any report I've seen.

What is NOT clear (to me thus far) is what happened with "R.T." (Madiki) and "C.H." (Dakota), who also were hauled in during this operation.

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Re. the article "AUTO" - clarifies a previous post that mentioned, among other things, the burning of a car at the police station.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 25, 2007, 01:59:33 PM
greeneyedlady posted this 06/24/2007 on the LCD:

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This was posted by ViVi at her Freebird forum..if it's been posted here I have missed it:

From amigoe:

Lorenzo van Rjin

House loaded with cameras, filled with "fierce " dogs, and surrounded by
"barbwire". Lorenzo van Rijn has been detained for planting marijuana at his house in Savaneta.
Lorenzo van Rijn is not unknown by police. During the search of Special Project Team did a search at different houses, and LVR's was no exception.
He lives at Jaraweg and at his house the police had a hard time entering his house. The house is surrounded by wire, surveillance camaras all around and some monster dogs in his property. Besides all these obstacles, police did manage to enter the propery with shotguns in their hands to defend themselves against these fierce dogs.
After screaming, shouting no body answered and entering the house they encountered Lorenzo profoundly assleep.He has been arrested immediately and they went directly with him where all drugs were well hidden in different parts well kept behind his house.( in the fence)

Marijuana was even hidden in a cooler inside his house.
Different expensive cars were searched in his property.

In a private discoteque they found marijuana while an icejug full of money was confiscated. Lorenzo told police the drugs were of his own use.
Another person who believes in stories or things people are like him (having drugs for own use)
On the pics one can see more of the action at his house at Jaraweg.



klaas posted this on LCD 06/24/2007
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In todays 24oro - three interresting articles:

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Bringamento grandi na Carlos N Charlies
Sunday, 24 June 2007

Diadomingo marduga rond di 3'or mayoria patruya di polis a dirigi nan mes pa Carlos N Charlies pa un bringamento. Polis ta logra na detene un total di 4 persona cu a wordo transporta di immediatio pa warda di Oranjestad. Click read more pa mas imagen.


in Pap translator:

bringamento big at carlos n charlies
sunday, 24 june 2007
diadomingo marduga rond of 3'or majority patrol of police owing to dirigi they self for carlos n charlies for one bringamento. police is succeed at detene one overall of 4 person cu owing to wordo transporta of immediatio for keep of oranjestad. click read more for more imagen.


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Detenidonan a wordo transporta pa Hospital
Sunday, 24 June 2007

Despues cu a start un pelea na Carlos 'n Charlies polis a detene 4 persona. Despues cu nan a wordo procesa a pidi pa Ambulance bay na warda di playa pa asina duna asistencia medico. Ambulance a yega y a baha pa duna asistencia. Despues di a mira e situacion nan a disidi di hiba e personanan en cuestion hospital.

Debi cu e personan aki ta deteni a rekeri pa polis sali cu su patruya dilanti di e ambulance pa asina por bay huntu pa hibanan pa hospital pa nan por a ricibi tratamento medico na poli.


through pap translator:

detenidonan owing to wordo transporta for hospital
sunday, 24 june 2007
after cu owing to start one action at carlos 'n charlies police owing to detene 4 person. after cu they owing to wordo procesa owing to ask for ambulance bay at keep of beach for so give asistencia medico. ambulance owing to arrive y owing to descend for give asistencia. after of owing to see the situation they owing to disidi of take away the personanan provided that cuestion hospital. debi cu the personan here is deteni owing to rekeri for police leave cu his patrol fast of the ambulance for so can bay together for hibanan for hospital for they can owing to ricibi tratamento medico at poli.


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Turista a haña ataka di curason na beach
Sunday, 24 June 2007

Diadomingo merdia strandpolitie ta pidi asistencia medico pa un turista masculino cu lo ta sufriendo di un atake di curason. Unidad di EMS a wordo manda pa e sitio unda cu ora cu nan a yega tawatatin un persona ta duna CPR pero sin exito. EMS a transporta e persona pa hospital. Inoficialmente nos por compronde cu nan no a logra pa reanima e turista. Dentro di algun minuut video y imagen exclusivo.

E suceso aki a tuma lugar un poco prome cu boca catalina.


through pap translator:


tourist owing to find access of curason at beach
sunday, 24 june 2007
diadomingo afternoon strandpolitie is ask asistencia medico for one tourist masculino cu will is sufriendo of one atake of curason. unidad of ems owing to wordo send for her sitio where cu hour cu they owing to arrive tawatatin one person is give cpr but without exito. ems owing to transporta the person for hospital. inoficialmente we can compronde cu they not owing to succeed for reanima the tourist. dentro of some minuut video y imagen exclusivo. the suceso here did take lugar one some first cu mouth catalina.


NOTE: THERE IS A VIDEO AT 24ORO REGARDING THE TOURIST INCIDENT

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 25, 2007, 03:10:40 PM
All of these are from Saturday, June 23, Diario.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/23/

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Polis a madruga pa tene accion:
SOSPECHOSO DI A CENDE PATRUYA NA CANDELA A KEDA DETENI

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Matutino DIARIO a entrevista señor Candelaria di e Departamento Hudicial di Cuerpo Policial, kende ayera mainta hopi tempran tabata riba pia caba y nos a puntre ta cual ta e motibo.

Señor Candelaria a duna di conoce cu ayera mainta tempran nan a bay detene e persona cu polis ta sospecha di ta esun cu a cende na candela e patruya. Polis ta mustrando asina cu nan no ta acepta e tipo di actonan asina, y nan a forma un grupo special cu ta bezig trahando riba e caso concerni, y di e manera aki nan ta deteniendo un pa un esnan cu ta responsable di e delito cometi.

E sospechoso ta un mucha homber jong, di inicialnan R.A.M naci na 1987, kende a keda cera pa interogacion.

Señor Candelaria a indica cu pa polis e asunto aki ta hopi serio. Tur biaha cu un hende ta horta algo of ta pega auto na candela polis ta tuma esaki hopi na serio, pero yega asina leu di bay cu un auto di polis y cende na candela esey ta sumamente serio, y e cargo contra e hoben aki cu el a horta un auto di polis y el a cende na candela.

Como cu e persona aki, polis a haya informacion cu por ta na diferente adres, nan a bay tur adres cu nan a haya pa mas sigur, pasobra un hende asina no por a scapa for di autoridad.

E investigacion ta sigui y polis Candelaria no ta descarta cu lo por tin mas detencion. E mucha homber aki no ta desconoci pa husticia, ya cu el a cay deteni caba pa diferente delito. Como cu e tin diferente sla na su curpa, polis lo determina cual ta e motibo di esakinan, segun sr. Candelaria a menciona.


Online Pap translation:

police owing to madruga for as accion: sospechoso of owing to light patrol at candela owing to stay deteni

oranjestad (aan) – matutino daily paper owing to interview sir candelaria of the departamento hudicial of cuerpo policial, that yesterday morning much early was on leg end y we owing to puntre is cual is the motibo.

sir candelaria owing to give of conoce cu yesterday morning early they owing to bay detene the person cu police is sospecha of is esun cu owing to light at candela the patrol. police is mustrando so cu they do not acepta the type of actonan so, y they owing to form one are special cu is bezig trahando on the caso concerni, y of the as here they're deteniendo one for one esnan cu is responsable of the delito cometi.

the sospechoso is one boy jong, of inicialnan r.a.m naci at 1987, that owing to stay close for interogacion.

sir candelaria owing to indica cu for police the asunto here is much earnest. all trip cu a is steal algo or is stick car at candela police is take this much at earnest, but arrive so far of bay cu one car of police y light at candela esey is extremely earnest, y the cargo contra the young here cu past owing to steal one car of police y past owing to light at candela.

because; cu the person here, police owing to achieve informacion cu can is at various adres, they owing to bay all adres cu they owing to achieve for more assure, because a so not can owing to scapa for of autoridad.

the investigacion is follow y police candelaria do not descarta cu will can have more detencion. the boy here do not desconoci for husticia, already cu past owing to cay deteni end for various delito. because; cu the have various sla at his curpa, police will determina cual is the motibo of esakinan, according sr. candelaria owing to menciona.

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Polis a scual funcionario di CEA cu a ofende un mucha di 13 aña..
 
ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Un homber grandi a scapa a base di su profesion ya cu e mester sa su limite di a ofende un criatura di 13 aña. Polis a pone e homber di inicialnan PK. Di 30 aña na su lugar y a recomende pa mihor e bay pidi disculpa na mayornan y e mucha homber.

Segun e informe policial , na warda di polis a presenta un señora mama di un hoben di 13 aña cu ta bayendo school. E mama ta splica polis, cu su yiu homber a bise cu un homber grandi a busca e mucha problema E homber P.K. para dilanti school yama su yiu homber pa M, bise tambe pa bay corta cabey enfin papia yen di coi loco cu e criatura.

Yiu di e señora a spanta pa e actitud di e homber ya cu e lo a wak un arma di candela parti patras di e vehiculo di P.K.

E yiu tabata na yoramento y cu miedo di e homber. E dia despues., Diaranzon, atrobe e yiu a bay school y bolbe cas na yoramento, nan lo a bise cu e homber lo ta traha na CEA.

A base di e informenan compila a polis a yama director di CEA y a confirma cu tin un tal P.K. den servicio y a check alaves cu e port a dispone di arma di candela. E director a duna di conoce cu P.K. no tin permiso pa cana cu arma di candela.

Polis a logra di localiza e homber P.K, cu a admiti di a tenta e mucha homber cu e conoce debi e mucha ta den klas di su subrinanan.

Polis a scual P.K. riba su forma di proceder y comportacion e como hende grandi di ta actua asina. A busca den su auto si lo descubri arma di candela esaki no tabata e caso si P.K. ta dispone di un klop como parti di su empleo na CEA. Polis a recomenda e homber mihor e bay papia cu mayornan y pidi su disculpa pa caba cu e asunto.


Online Pap translation:

police owing to scual funcionario of cea cu owing to ofende one child of 13 year..

oranjestad.(aan): one man big owing to scapa owing to base of his profesion already cu the have to know his boundary of owing to ofende one criatura of 13 year. police owing to place he of inicialnan pk. of 30 year at his lugar y owing to recomende for mihor the bay ask disculpa at parents y the boy.

according the informe policial, at keep of police owing to present one madam mother of one young of 13 year cu is bayendo school. the mother is splica police, cu his son owing to bise cu one man big owing to busca the child problem he p.k. stop fast school calling his son for m, bise also for bay clip cabey enfin talk complete of coi loco cu the criatura.

child of the madam owing to spanta for her actitud of he already cu the will owing to look at one arm of candela part behind the vehiculo of p.k.

the child was at yoramento y cu fright of he. the day after., diaranzon, again the child owing to bay school y go back cas at yoramento, they will owing to bise cu he will is work at cea.

owing to base of the informenan compila owing to police owing to calling director of cea y owing to confirma cu have one such p.k. in servicio y owing to check alaves cu the port owing to dispone of arm of candela.

the director owing to give of conoce cu p.k. not have permission for march cu arm of candela.

police owing to succeed of localiza he p.k, cu owing to admiti of owing to tenta the boy cu the conoce debi the child is in class of his subrinanan.

police owing to scual p.k. on his form of proceder y comportacion the because; person big of is actua so. owing to busca in his car if will descubri arm of candela this not was the caso if p.k. is dispone of one klop because; part of his empleo at cea. police owing to recomenda he mihor the bay talk cu parents y ask his disculpa for end cu the asunto.

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DETENCION PROLONGA DI SOSPECHOSO ACUSA DI KIMA AUTO NA WARDA DI POLIS
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna mainta S.J.H.M a presenta dilanti di huez comisario, pa prolongacion di su detencion.

S.M a wordo deteni y acusa recientemente cu el a cende un toyota starlet na candela, riba tereno di warda di polis na Santa Cruz.

E auto aki a wordo tuma den beslag despues di e caso di tiramento na macuarima, den cual diferente persona a wordo deteni caba. S.J.H.M su detencion a wordo prolonga cu 8 dia.


Online Pap translation:

detencion prolonga of sospechoso acusa of burn car at keep of police

oranjestad(aan): diabierna morning s.j.h.m owing to present fast of huez comisario, for prolongacion of his detencion.

s.m owing to wordo deteni y acusa recientemente cu past owing to light one toyota starlet at candela, on territory of keep of police at santa cruz.

the car here owing to wordo take in beslag after of the caso of tiramento at macuarima, in cual various person owing to wordo deteni end. s.j.h.m his detencion owing to wordo prolonga cu 8 day.

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ACUSADONAN DI FRAUDE NA BSL LAUNDRY, LAGA DEN LIBERTAD
e caso lo wordo trata dia 31 di Augustus

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Gilbert Errol Frederick Arends y Robert Ruben Fortin a presenta dilanti di huez despues cu nan a wordo acusa di falsificacion, fraude y malversacion.

Nan a wordo acusa cu nan lo a comete e actonan aki, na nan trabao na BSL Laundry. E acusacionnan ta di e periodo entre 2004 y 2006.

Arends ta deteni for di 6 di January 2007 y Fortin a wordo deteni riba dia 11 di January. Fiscal Diabierna a pidi huez pa pospone e caso, pasobra e parti di investigacion pa determina ken di e dos acusadonan a inicia e actonan criminal, no ta cla ainda.

Huez a bisa cu den un otro caso di malversacion, e acusadonan no a haya mas di 5 luna di castigo, pues mirando cu e acusadonan aki tin ya caba mas di 5 luna cera y probablemente nan lo no haya mas castigo incondicional, el a dicidi di laga nan den libertad, pendiente di tratamento di e caso. E caso lo bin dilanti dia 31 di Augustus.


Online Pap translation:

acusadonan of fraude at bsl laundry, let in freedom
the caso will wordo deal day 31 of august


oranjestad(aan): diabierna gilbert errol frederick arends y robert ruben fortin owing to present fast of huez after cu they owing to wordo acusa of falsificacion, fraude y malversacion.

they owing to wordo acusa cu they will owing to comete the actonan here, at they trabao at bsl laundry. the acusacionnan is of the period among 2004 y 2006.

arends is deteni for of 6 of january 2007 y fortin owing to wordo deteni on day 11 of january. fiscal diabierna owing to ask huez for pospone the caso, because the part of investigacion for determina that of the two acusadonan owing to inicia the actonan criminal, do not cla still.

huez owing to tell cu in one another caso of malversacion, the acusadonan not owing to achieve more of 5 month of castigo, then mirando cu the acusadonan here have already end more of 5 month close y probably they will not achieve more castigo incondicional, past owing to dicidi of let they in freedom, pendiente of tratamento of the caso. the caso will come fast day 31 of august.

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WANTU WAZURI CREMONY PAMOYA A HAYA 5 AÑA
PA KITA BIDA DI HENDE

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Wantu Wazuri Pamoya Cremony a presenta dilanti di huez, pa scucha sentencia den su caso. Cremony a wordo acusa cu intencionalmente e lo a kita bida di un persona na San Nicolas, door di hinke cu cuchio na su garaganta.

Fiscal tabata di opinion cu Cremony a tuma su tempo pa tuma e decision di bay unda cu e victima tabata, pa hinke mata. Defensa a trece dilanti cu Cremony a actua den defensa propio, pasobra e victima tabata tin un arma tambe.

Fiscal a exigi un castigo di 10 aña, sinembargo huez Diabierna a dicta cu Cremony ta wordo declara liber di asesinato premedita, pero culpable di homicidio(doodslag). El a dune 5 aña, kitando e tempo cu el a sinta caba.

Huez a dune un splicacion tambe con el a yega na su decision. El a splica cu no tabata tin suficiente prueba cu e acusado lo a “sluip” yega cerca di e persona pa kita su bida.

El a bisa tambe cu e polis cu a bin como testigo na corte, a lubida un parti crucial di loke tabata tin den proces verbal cu e mes a traha y esey a trece ainda mas duda den e caso aki, cu Cremony lo a comete e crimen aki na un forma premedita.

Huez bisa tambe cu e no ta convenci cu Cremony a actua den defensa propio. Tambe ta asina cu Cremony mester tabata sa cu e echo cu el a hinca e persona na su garganta, por a causa su morto. Pesey el a wordo haya culpable pa causa morto di e victima y sentencia na 5 aña.


Online Pap translation:

wantu wazuri cremony pamoya owing to achieve 5 year
for less life of person


oranjestad(aan): diabierna wantu wazuri pamoya cremony owing to present fast of huez, for listen sentencia in his caso. cremony owing to wordo acusa cu intencionalmente the will owing to less life of one person at san nicolas, door of hinke cu cuchio at his garaganta.

fiscal was of opinion cu cremony did take his time for take the decision of bay where cu the victima was, for hinke kill. defence owing to trece fast cu cremony owing to actua in defence own, because the victima was have one arm also.

fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 10 year, sinembargo huez diabierna owing to dicta cu cremony is wordo declara pound of asesinato premedita, but culpable of homicidio(doodslag). past owing to dune 5 year, kitando the time cu past owing to sit end.

huez owing to dune one splicacion also con past owing to arrive at his decision. past owing to splica cu not was have sufficient proof cu the acusado will owing to “sluip” arrive close of the person for less his life.

past owing to tell also cu the police cu owing to come because; witness at corte, owing to forget one part crucial of thing was have in proces verbal cu the self owing to work y esey owing to trece still more doubt in the caso here, cu cremony will owing to comete the crimen here at one form premedita.

huez tell also cu the do not convenci cu cremony owing to actua in defence own. also is so cu cremony have to was know cu the achievement cu past owing to hinca the person at his throat, can owing to cause his dead. pesey past owing to wordo achieve culpable for cause dead of the victima y sentencia at 5 year.

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I don't have time to try to be more "interpretative" of these post now. Other thoughts welcome.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 25, 2007, 03:35:55 PM
Well, here's one for today (Monday 6/25) ... grisly photos too.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/25/

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PROBLEMA DEN NIGHT CLUB DEN WESTSTRAAT DIADOMINGO MARDUGA

ORANJESTAD(AAN):Diadomingo marduga tabata tin un diferencia di opinion cu a surgi entre un grupo no local y polis.

Ta turistanan cu ta na Aruba relaciona cu un actividad deportivo y polis a ser yama pa e problema. Na yegada e diferencia di opinion tabata asina grandi cu polis a bay over na detene tres di esnan cu tabata tin problema y bay cu nan warda.

Na dado momento cos no tabata facil pasobra mester a haci uso di forza bruto y tin polis cu a resulta herida.

Mescos tin un di e turistanan cu a cay y haya sla na cabez. DIARIO tabata presente y a logra fotonan di e problemanan cu tabata tin. Aunke ta ser bisa cu tabata tin hendenan cu a busca e turistanan deportista problema, esaki tog no por a ser confirma.

Den oranan di mainta e turistanan a ser laga den libertad. E polisnan cu a keda levemente herida tambe mester a ser atendi medicamente.


Online Pap translation:

problem in night club in weststraat diadomingo marduga

oranjestad(aan):diadomingo marduga was have one diferencia of opinion cu owing to surgi among one are not local y police.

is turistanan cu is at aruba relaciona cu one actividad deportivo y police owing to being calling for her problem. at arrival the diferencia of opinion was so big cu police owing to bay over at detene three of esnan cu was have problem y bay cu they keep.

at dado instant cos not was facil because have to owing to haci usage of forza bruto y have police cu owing to resulta injury.

same have one of the turistanan cu owing to cay y achieve sla at cabez. daily paper was present y owing to succeed fotonan of the problemanan cu was have. although is being tell cu was have hendenan cu owing to busca the turistanan deportista problem, this tog not can owing to being confirma.

in oranan of morning the turistanan owing to being let in freedom. the polisnan cu owing to stay levemente injury also have to owing to being atendi medicamente.

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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 26, 2007, 07:57:00 AM
San posted this on the LCD 06/25/2007:
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I just got off the phone with my friend who went to Aruba last week and came back on Saturday. I said well how did you like it. She was very nervous about being robbed. She said she was so disappointed and would have to seriously think about going back there. I said when was the last time you were there and she said 3 years ago and it has changed so much.

- She said one evening she went to a restaurant (El Gaucho) and she heard a couple talking about a break in. She went over to someone at the restaurant and asked what happened and apparently someone broke into their car (smashed their window) and took some stuff of theirs.

- On the plane ride coming home she spoke to another woman and she left her stuff in the glove compartment and they took the whole car. This woman was frantic because she had no money and her credit cards were in the car. She said she filed a police report and it took them over an hour to respond.

- She went to another restaurant and she found all these extra charges on her bill. She called the lady over and asked them to explain what one of the charges were and the woman said well this goes to the restaurant and this is for the employee’s salary.

- She went to another restaurant and it seemed so desolate. She was very afraid. Someone suggested to her if you are going to go to this particular restaurant make sure you go at 5 before it gets dark.


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Elaine posted this on the LCD 06/25/2007 (quoting San’s post above):
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I know a family that was robbed over there while riding on one of the buses. A pickpocket cleaned them out,on the bus. Also, they rented a car and had to put a deposit of $500.00 down. When they took the car back, the rental place accused them of damaging the car (which they insisted they didn't) they did not get their $500.00 back.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 26, 2007, 08:17:57 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/25/

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Gang di Santa Cruz a demostra magnitud violencia
Aruba den estado di alarma!
 
*Crimen organiza ta peor cu casonan individual
*A permiti scarcedad Polis alcanza 166!


ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Polis a adverti pa loke ta pasando. Gobierno no a haci caso pero cu un sonrisa Ministro di Husticia a deshaci di e alarma cu Polis a bati lunanan pasa. Awor Aruba ta biba den estado di alarma, despues cu no e gangnan cu tabata conoci pero un gang cu a ranca sali inesperadamente ta pone Aruba biba den estado di alarma.

E irresponsabilidad grandi di Gobierno, cu a gasta placa pa loco ariba celebracionnan, viahenan y tur loke por a causa un buraco grandi mientras ta ricibi BBO, ta resalta den e hecho cu e promer necesidadnan di Aruba no a worde cubri. A permiti e scarcedad di Polis alcanza 166 manera Ministro di Husticia mes a bisa y ta 15 e por tuma den servicio. Con Polis, manera Diasabra anochi por sigui traha den e situacion actual, mientras Pueblo ta biba den gara di miedo pa violencia, no ta conoci. DIARIO a worde mustra ariba e gran realidad: criminalidad di Aruba no ta asunto mas di casonan individual manera pelea, pero Aruba a conoce e peligro mas grandi cu ta crimen organiza, mas dificil pa combati ora permitie haya raiz!

For di temporada di Carnaval, Polis a haci su trabao di mustra Gobierno cu situacion ta sali for di man. Ministro di Husticia a haci bofon di e informacion cu el a ricibi y cu hendenan, cu manera semper tin pa sostene loke gobernantenan kier pretende, a produci supuesto cifra pa mustra cu ta algun crimen chikito so Aruba conoce.

Awor cu e bom a rementa den man di Ministro di Husticia, cu aparicion di un gang sumamente peligroso, cu ningun hende tabata sabi cu ta existi na Santa Cruz, Polis y ciudadanonan mester paga pe.

DIARIO ta worde inunda cu personanan cu ta acerca DIARIO pa mustra nan preocupacion grandi y e impacto cu e situacion actual tin den nan bida. Mayornan tin miedo pa muchanan bandona cas, pa nada no pasa.

“Mi yiu semper tabata bay cu su amigonan. Awor no ta bay trip mas. Mi no por relaha te ora tur hende ta na cas,” un mayor preocupa a duna di conoce. E hecho cu Diasabra a pone henter un shift di Polis keda na trabao pa por evita otro explosion di violencia, a causa mas panico den Pueblo. Mas ainda pasobra ningun hende tabata prepara pa e violencia cu a manifesta su mes y demostra cu tin gang sumamente peligroso.

“Bo ta tende di gang. Bo ta kere cu ta hobennan cu ta enfrenta otro. Pero tira otro, horta auto di Polis, hasta bay kima auto den cura di Centro di Husticia, ta algo hororoso,” un ciudadano a mustra. E ta uno di e grupo grandi cu ta teme pa nan bienestar personal, mas ainda pasobra no tin placa pa paga loke normalmente ta yuda evita criminalidad bati na bo porta.

“Electricidad a bira caro. Bo no por cende luz manera bo kier. Gastonan ta enorme. Hende cu bon entrada so por tin un sistema di alarma. Bo ta sinti bo insigur den caya y insigur na cas,” un ciudadano a bisa.

Mientrastanto Gobierno lo mester percura pa aumenta e cantidad di Polis. E total di 15 cu kier tuma den servicio, lo no alivia e situacion grave. Pueblo ta fada di scucha con Gobierno ta abusa di placa, manera e viahe di Nelson Oduber pa China. “Cada rato uno a bay otro lugar. Chofer. Bodyguard. Coordinador. Oficina. Y Pueblo nada,” a worde mustra na DIARIO.

Den tur bario awor ta existi e temor cuanto gangnan scondi tin y kende ta duna nan yudanza. Hobennan ariba nan mes, no tin placa pa arma. Kico ta pasa na Aruba? Di un dia pa otro e isla ta den un estado di alarma, cu por a preveni si Gobierno a actua na tempo, manera a mustra DIARIO.


Online Pap translation:

gang of santa cruz owing to demostra magnitud violencia
aruba in estado of alarma!
*crimen organiza is worse cu casonan individual
*a permiti scarcedad police alcanza 166!


oranjestad (aan) — police owing to adverti for thing is pasando. gobierno not owing to haci caso but cu one smile ministro of husticia owing to deshaci of the alarma cu police owing to beat lunanan happen. now aruba live in estado of alarma, after cu not the gangnan cu was conoci but one gang cu owing to ranca leave unexpectedly is place aruba live in estado of alarma.

the irresponsabilidad big of gobierno, cu owing to spend coin for loco upstairs celebracionnan, viahenan y all thing can owing to cause one buraco big while is ricibi bbo, is resalta in the mature cu the previous to necesidadnan of aruba not owing to worde cubri. owing to permiti the scarcedad of police alcanza 166 as ministro of husticia self owing to tell y is 15 the can take in servicio. con police, as saturday night can follow work in the situation actual, while people live in grab of fright for violencia, do not conoci. daily paper owing to worde show upstairs the great realidad: criminalidad of aruba do not asunto more of casonan individual as action, but aruba owing to conoce the danger more big cu is crimen organiza, more dificil for combati hour permitie achieve raiz!

for of season of carnaval, police owing to haci his trabao of show gobierno cu situation is leave for of hand. ministro of husticia owing to haci bofon of the informacion cu past owing to ricibi y cu hendenan, cu as always have for sostene thing gobernantenan wanted pretende, owing to produci supuesto cifra for show cu is some crimen diminutive only aruba conoce.

now cu the bom owing to rementa in hand of ministro of husticia, cu aparicion of one gang extremely dangerous, cu none person was know cu is existi at santa cruz, police y ciudadanonan have to pay pe.

daily paper is worde inunda cu personanan cu is acerca daily paper for show they preocupacion big y the impacto cu the situation actual have in they life. parents have fright for children bandona cas, for nothing not happen.

“mi child always was bay cu his amigonan. now do not bay trip more. my not can relaha till hour everybody is at home,” one parent preocupa owing to give of conoce. the mature cu saturday owing to place all one shift of police stay at trabao for can evita another explosion of violencia, owing to cause more panico in people. more still because none person was prepara for her violencia cu owing to manifesta his self y demostra cu have gang extremely dangerous.

“bo is hear of gang. are you believe cu is hobennan cu is enfrenta another. but throw another, steal car of police, even bay burn car in cura of centro of husticia, is algo hororoso,” one ciudadano owing to show. the is uno of the are big cu is teme for they bienestar personal, more still because not have coin for pay thing ordinarily is help evita criminalidad beat at do you door.

“electricidad owing to become caro. do you not can light luz as do you wanted. gastonan is enormous. person cu good entrance only can have one sistema of alarma. are you feel do you insigur in caya y insigur at home,” one ciudadano owing to tell.

all the time gobierno will have to percura for aumenta the cantidad of police. the overall of 15 cu wanted take in servicio, will not alivia the situation important. people is fada of listen con gobierno is abusa of coin, as the viahe of nelson oduber for china. “cada rato uno owing to bay another lugar. chofer. bodyguard. coordinador. office. y people nothing,” owing to worde show at daily paper.

In all district now is existi the temor cuanto gangnan scondi have y that is give they yudanza. hobennan upstairs they self, not have coin for arm. kico is happen at aruba? of one day for another the island is in one estado of alarma, cu can owing to preveni if gobierno owing to actua at time, as owing to show daily paper.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 26, 2007, 08:37:30 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/25/  06/25/2007

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3 LUNA CONDICIONAL, PA TIRA MOLOTOV COCKTAIL FALSO  
 
ORANJESSTAD(AAN): Recientemente Andre Samuel Saladin a presenta dilanti di huez, despues cu el a wordo acusa di a menaza un famia. Ta asina cu e acusacion ta encera cu na April 2007, Saladin a tira algo cu mester tabata parce un Molotov cocktail den cura di hende. E acusado a bisa den corte cu el a yena un botter di cerbez cu awa y a pone un pida camisa den e botter, pa gaña hasi manera e tabata un Molotov Cocktail.

El a splica cu e tabata tin sospecho cu e persona cu lo ta biba na e caso ey, a duna su sobrina un pildo, pa despues probecha di dje sexualmente. Saladin a splica cu e tabata bao di influencia di alcohol y e tabata convenci cu un persona bibando na e cas a viola su sobrina.

Fiscal a pidi un castigo di 6 luna, kitando e 10 dianan cu el a sinta caba den detencion preventivo. E tempo cu resta mester bira un castigo condicional. Ademas di esaki e ta haya cu e acusado mester paga un multa di 1500 florin, of sinta 30 dia den KIA.

Huez a trece dilanti e strafblad di Saladin cu tabata tin varios castigo di ladronicia na Hulanda y un castigo condicional pa intento di maltrato severo na Aruba. For di chikito Saladin a cuminza uza marihuana, despues di cual el a uza tambe ecstasy y cocaina.

Abogado Vito Carlo defendiendo e acusado a bisa huez cu e ta haya cu Ministerio Publico a actua contra derechonan di su cliente, door cu nan a tene 10 dia deteni, sin cu esaki tabata necesario. Saladin a admiti loke el a hasi y durante e 10 dianan nan no a hasi ningun investigacion mas den e caso aki, pues nan por a lage bay mas lihe.

Mirando esaki el a pidi huez pa declara e O.M “niet ontvankelijk”, pues pa laga su cliente bay, liber di acusacion. Fiscal a trece dilanti cu si bo kier pa Ministerio Publico wordo declara “niet ontvankelijk”, mester bin cu motibonan huridico bon splica.

Huez den su veredicto a tene cuento cu loke abogado y fiscal a trece dilanti y a duna Saladin un castigo di 3 luna kitando e tempo sinta caba. E tempo cu resta ta bira un castigo condicional. Ademas di esaki e mester paga un multa di 750 florin, of sinta 15 dia na KIA.


Online Pap translation:

3 month condicional, for throw molotov cocktail false

oranjesstad(aan): recientemente andre samuel saladin owing to present fast of huez, after cu past owing to wordo acusa of owing to menaza one family. is so cu the acusacion is encera cu at april 2007, saladin owing to throw algo cu have to was seems one molotov cocktail in cura of person. the acusado owing to tell in corte cu past owing to fill one botter of cerbez cu water y owing to place one piece camisa in the botter, for lie make as the was one molotov cocktail.

past owing to splica cu the was have suspicion cu the person cu will live at the caso ey, owing to give his sobrina one pill, for after probecha of dje sexualmente. saladin owing to splica cu the was bao of influencia of alcohol y the was convenci cu one person bibando at the cas owing to viola his sobrina.

fiscal owing to ask one castigo of 6 month, kitando the 10 dianan cu past owing to sit end in detencion preventivo. the time cu be kept in have to become one castigo condicional. apart from this the is achieve cu the acusado have to pay one multa of 1500 guilder, or sit 30 day in kia.

huez owing to trece fast the strafblad of saladin cu was have several castigo of ladronicia at the netherlands y one castigo condicional for attempt of maltrato severo at aruba. for of diminutive saladin owing to cuminza employ marihuana, after of cual past owing to employ also ecstasy y cocaina.

advocate vito carlo defendiendo the acusado owing to tell huez cu the is achieve cu ministerio publico owing to actua contra derechonan of his cliente, door cu they owing to as 10 day deteni, without cu this was necesario. saladin owing to admiti thing past owing to make y during the 10 dianan they not owing to make none investigacion more in the caso here, then they can owing to lage bay more lihe.

mirando this past owing to ask huez for declara the or.m “niet ontvankelijk”, then for let his cliente bay, pound of acusacion. fiscal owing to trece fast cu if do you wanted for ministerio publico wordo declara “niet ontvankelijk”, have to come cu motibonan huridico good splica.

huez in his veredicto owing to as cuento cu thing advocate y fiscal owing to trece fast y owing to give saladin one castigo of 3 month kitando the time sit end. the time cu be kept in is become one castigo condicional. apart from this the have to pay one multa of 750 guilder, or sit 15 day at kia.

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This sort of sounds like 3 months probation and fine of 750 guilders for throwing an apparent fake Molotov cocktail at someone.

I am wondering if Andre Samuel Saladin is Michael Saladin's son?

Also wondering if Michael is still in jail?


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 26, 2007, 09:21:27 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/25/  06/25/2007

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segun acusado,
PELICULA A PONEMI CUMPRA ARMA

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Nicolaas Lerone Jansen a presenta dilanti di mesa berde, despues cu el a wordo acusa di a drenta un cas na Seroe Colorado dia 18 di October, for di cual el a horta un laptop, un telefon celular, un camara, un television, un microwave, un aparato di feita y algun cos mas.

Ademas di esaki el a wordo acusa di a saca un arma di candela pa propietario di e cas y a menaze cu e lo mata su famia, si e bisa algo. Den corte e acusado a bisa cu e no a kibra drenta. Ora cu el a yega hunto cu dos otro mucha homber, kendenan ta menor di edad, nan a haya e bentana habri caba y a drenta.

Segun Jansen, ora cu nan tabata hortando, propietario di e cas a bin riba nan cu un machete. Ora cu e homber a yega cerca, el a saca e aparato di feita y e homber a wak e arma cu e tabata tin den su saco y a core bay.

Huez a trece dilanti si cu un di e otro ladronnan mes a declara na polis cu Jansen a saca e arma di candela y punta esaki riba e homber. Huez a bisa tambe cu segun rapport di polis, e acusado mes a admiti cu el a saca e arma y punta esaki den direccion di e doño di cas.

Huez a puntra Jansen unda el a haya e arma y el a bisa cu el a haya esaki for di un Colombiano. Huez a bise cu den rapport di pols tin para tambe cu el a busca e arma pa defende su mes, pasobra e ta bende marihuana.

Den corte Jansen a bisa cu esaki no ta berdad. El a busca e arma djis pa play tuff dilanti di su amigonan. Segun Jansen, el a wordo influencia pa pelicula. Segun huez, doño di e cas a declara cu tur 3 persona den e cas tabata tin arma y cu un di nan a pone e arma na su cabez.

Den corte e persona perhudica tabata mustra emociona, ora cu nan tabata papia tocante di e arma di candela. Ora cu el a haya oportunidad di papia tocante di si e ta desea entrega un demanda, el a bisa huez cu Jansen di berdad a menaze.

El a bisa cu mama di e acusado ta yame tambe pa choller ora cu e wak e riba caya. Segun doño di e cas, Jansen for di algun dia prome a venena su 4 cachonan y cu Jansen ta conoci como un persona cu ta teroriza Seroe Colorado.

Fiscal a bisa cu e caso aki ta hopi serio y cu Jansen despues cu el a wordo descubri den e cas y a menaza e doño di e cas, el a djis sigui coi articulonan for di e cas, manera nada no a pasa. Fiscal a exigi un castigo di 5 aña, mirando tambe algun otro acusacion di violencia cu tin contra Jansen.

Abogado Nilo Croes a bisa huez cu bo por bisa cu Jansen a actua den defensa propio. Segun Croes, pregunta ta kico lo por a sosode, si su cliente no tabata tin e arma cune, mirando cu doño di e cas tabata tin un machete den su man.

El a bisa tambe cu ta hopi reprochable cu e otro dos hobennan a wordo laga den libertad pa Ministerio Publico, despues di solamente algun dia. Abogado Croes a bisa huez tambe cu su cliente mester wordo considera como “first ofender”, pasobra e acusacionnan contra dje no a bin dilanti ainda den un caso.

Fiscal a rabia bastante riba e echo cu e abogado a bisa cu Ministerio Publico a laga e dos otro hobennan bay despues di algun dia. Segun fiscal e abogado a haya un fax for di dje, den cual tin para exactamente despues di cuanto dia e otro hobennan menor di edad a wordo laga den libertad.
Ademas di esaki no ta Ministerio Publico, sino Huez Comisario, kende a laga e hobennan bay.

Abogado Croes a bisa cu e ta haya e exigencia di fiscal mucho halto. Huez ta bay duna su veredicto dia 29 di Juni.


Online Pap translation:

according acusado,
pelicula owing to ponemi cumpra arm


oranjestad(aan): diabierna nicolaas lerone jansen owing to present fast of table berde, after cu past owing to wordo acusa of owing to enter one cas at seroe colorado day 18 of october, for of cual past owing to steal one laptop, one telephone celular, one camara, one television, one microwave, one apparatus of shave y some cos more.

apart from this past owing to wordo acusa of owing to saca one arm of candela for propietario of the cas y owing to menaze cu the will kill his family, if the tell algo. in corte the acusado owing to tell cu the not owing to break enter. hour cu past owing to arrive together cu two another boy, kendenan is younger of edad, they owing to achieve the window open end y owing to enter.

according jansen, hour cu they was hortando, propietario of the cas owing to come on they cu one machete. hour cu he owing to arrive close, past owing to saca the apparatus of shave y he owing to look at the arm cu the was have in his saco y owing to core bay.

huez owing to trece fast if cu one of the another ladronnan self owing to declara at police cu jansen owing to saca the arm of candela y punta this on he. huez owing to tell also cu according rapport of police, the acusado self owing to admiti cu past owing to saca the arm y punta this in direccion of the owner of cas.

huez owing to ask about jansen where past owing to achieve the arm y past owing to tell cu past owing to achieve this for of one colombiano. huez owing to bise cu in rapport of pols have stop also cu past owing to busca the arm for defende his self, because the is sell marihuana.

in corte jansen owing to tell cu this do not berdad. past owing to busca the arm immidiately for play tuff fast of his amigonan. according jansen, past owing to wordo influencia for pelicula. according huez, owner of the cas owing to declara cu all 3 person in the cas was have arm y cu one of they owing to place the arm at his cabez.

in corte the person perhudica was show emociona, hour cu they was talk tocante of the arm of candela. hour cu past owing to achieve oportunidad of talk tocante of if the is desea entrega one demanda, past owing to tell huez cu jansen of berdad owing to menaze.

past owing to tell cu mother of the acusado is yame also for choller hour cu the look at the on caya. according owner of the cas, jansen for of some day first owing to venena his 4 cachonan y cu jansen is conoci because; one person cu is teroriza seroe colorado.

fiscal owing to tell cu the caso here is much earnest y cu jansen after cu past owing to wordo descubri in the cas y owing to menaza the owner of the cas, past owing to immidiately follow coi articulonan for of the cas, as nothing not owing to happen. fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 5 year, mirando also some another acusacion of violencia cu have contra jansen.

advocate nilo croes owing to tell huez cu could you tell cu jansen owing to actua in defence own. according croes, question is kico will can owing to sosode, if his cliente not was have the arm cune, mirando cu owner of the cas was have one machete in his hand.

past owing to tell also cu is much reprochable cu the another two hobennan owing to wordo let in freedom for ministerio publico, after of only some day. advocate croes owing to tell huez also cu his cliente have to wordo considera because; “first ofender”, because the acusacionnan contra dje not owing to come fast still in one caso.

fiscal owing to angry enough on the achievement cu the advocate owing to tell cu ministerio publico owing to let the two another hobennan bay after of some day. according fiscal the advocate owing to achieve one fax for of dje, in cual have stop exactly after of cuanto day the another hobennan younger of edad owing to wordo let in freedom.

apart from this do not ministerio publico, but huez comisario, that owing to let the hobennan bay. advocate croes owing to tell cu the is achieve the exigencia of fiscal mucho high. huez is bay give his veredicto day 29 of june.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 26, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/26/    06/26/2007

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VICTIMA DI TIRAMENTO A PERDE UN NIER
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Keto bay dokternan ta trahando duro pa scapa bida di e hoben cu a ser tira algun dia pasa na Sta Cruz.

E hobennan aki a ser tira pa e hoben Edmond Lo-A-Njoe na Macuarima. Su situacion tabata hopi serio pasobra el a haya tiro den barica cu a haci daño na diferente parti di su curpa.

El a bora su tripa, higra, ader mayor y nier. Na mas cu un occasion dokternan mester a drenta sala di operacion despues cu e victima a ser interna pa bringa y trata na scapa su bida.

E siman aki a habri y atrobe e victima ta den noticia pasobra el a perde un nier. Aki tambe sangramento interno a causa cu el a hera fayece.

Expertonan medico di Dr Horacio Oduber Hospital ta den un lucha formal pa evita cu e hoben aki por perde su bida.

E ta den cuido intensivo y critico unda no ta mira un mehoracion tampoco. Spera cu Dios ilumina e mannan di e dokternan pa asina nan por logra trece e stabilidad necesario pa bida di e hoben aki.



Online Pap translation:

victima of tiramento owing to lose one nier

oranjestad(aan):keto bay dokternan is trahando duro for scapa life of the young cu owing to being throw some day happen at sta cruz.

the hobennan here owing to being throw for her young edmond lo-a-njoe at macuarima. his situation was much earnest because past owing to achieve tiro in barica cu owing to haci damage at various part of his curpa.

past owing to bore his intestines, liver, vein parent y nier. at more cu one occasion dokternan have to owing to enter sitting-room of operacion after cu the victima owing to being interna for fight y deal at scapa his life.

the week here owing to open y again the victima is in news because past owing to lose one nier. here also sangramento inner owing to cause cu past owing to hera fayece.

expertonan medico of dr horacio oduber hospital is in one struggle serious for evita cu the young here can lose his life.

the is in cuido intensivo y critico where do not see one mehoracion niether. wait for cu god ilumina the hands of the dokternan for so they can succeed trece the stabilidad necesario for life of the young here.

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Net e ciudadano kende semper a boga pa mihor servicio di Ambulans na Aruba...
SCARCEDAD DI AMBULANS A RESULTA FATAL PA CAPITAN MEDINA

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): E momento a yega pa algo worde haci! Tin di cuminza for di paden di e nucleo y bin pafo. Den seno di Salubridad Publico tin di worde haci un investigacion pa pone Minister responsible pa negligencia, cu Diadomingo no tabatin ambulans disponible pa un situacion serio. No por ta asina cu pa motibo cu no tin ambulans disponible, debi cu e tabata ocupa cu un otro transporte... no por a haya servicio di ambulans pa bay cu urgencia pa salba bida di un ciudadano kende a confronta problema na Boca Catalina.

Tabata un unidad di Polis cu ta pasando altura di Boca Catalina a worde para. Aki a bin tende cu un homber kende tabata snorkel den e area, diripiente a haya problema cu salud.

Polis mesora a cuminza pidi pa un Ambulans. Aki e contesta a bin cu a laga hopi hende babuca. Ta un solo Ambulans tabatin pa sirbi 100.000 habitante. anto e no por duna asistencia e momento ey na Boca Catalina.

Esaki ta exactamente loke algun turista recien a reclama caba. Nan ta haya cu e area mas panort di Aruba, mester ricibi sikiera un Police-Station y un Ambulance-Station pa yudanza mas rapido. No a keda otro alternativa pa yama pidi yudanza di un compania particular. Un personal di EMS kende tabata riba caya, a ricibi yamada y a acudi cu urgencia cu su equiponan pa cuminza traha.

Mientras tanto, esnan na tera a logra trece e homber na canto y a cuminza practica CPR riba dje. Esnan cu e momento ta na e lugar di e sucedido tabata basta rabia pa e sistema di Siglo 21 na Aruba, esta cu no tabata tin ambulans disponible den un caso di urgencia. Ora cu e ambulans particular a presenta tur cu tin, esnan di EMS a take over y a sigui cu CPR riba e homber.

Pero na yegada na Hospital, no por a haci nada mas. Docter a haye ta constata morto di Guillermo Juan Ricardo Medina naci na Aruba riba 2 di augustus 1950. E ta conoci na Aruba como “Capitan Medina”.

Anto net Capitan Medina aki ta un ciudadano kende na numeroso ocasion den pasado tabata boga pa e placa di Belasting di pueblo worde usa na un forma cu ta beneficia pueblo. Envez cu placa di Belasting ta worde hinca den saco di gobernantenan... e tabata expresa na varios periodista cu placa tin di bay pa mihor School, mihor Cuido Medico, y mihor Ambulans. Net e ciudadano aki, kende semper a boga pa tin un mihor sistema di Ambulans na Aruba... net el a perde su bida debi cu no tabatin Ambulans di Gobierno e momento ey pa yude.

Varios persona a comenta Dialuna, cu nan ta convenci cu si acaso a logra haya Ambulans na prome instancia... ainda bida di e ciudadano lo por a worde salba. Esnan cu pasa banda di Post di Ambulans lo por mira varios vehiculo staciona. Pero no ta paga overtime, pues no tin trahador pa core cune.

Capitan Medina ta worde recorda como un persona kende semper tin pueblo y turismo na pecho. E tabata yuda semper pa promove Aruba cerca e bishitantenan. E mes tabatin un compania di Charter Yate, y tabata gusta conta tur turista extensivamente di loke e isla aki nifica pa su hendenan.

E tabata un persona kende a cuminza reclama di e abuso di algun compania nobo di Watersports cu no ta nada beneficioso pa e pueblo Arubano. E tabata un persona kende semper ta duna su opinion na un forma responsable, y cu backup.

E tabata semper contra tur clase di nepotismo, y sigur tabata condena semper cualkier deroche di placa cu Gobernantenan tabata haci nan mes culpable na dje. E negligencia di esnan responsible den e caso aki e minister tin di carga e responsabilidad ya cu e ta esun tin di carga e consecuencianan pa su maneho.


Online Pap translation:

just the ciudadano that always owing to boga for mihor servicio of ambulance at aruba...
scarcedad of ambulance owing to resulta fateful
for capitan medina


oranjestad (aan): the instant owing to arrive for algo worde haci! have of cuminza for of inside of the nucleo y come pafo. in seno of salubridad publico have of worde haci one investigacion for place minister responsible for negligencia, cu diadomingo not had ambulance disponible for one situation earnest. not can is so cu for motibo cu not have ambulance disponible, debi cu the was ocupa cu one another transporte... not can owing to achieve servicio of ambulance for bay cu urgencia for save life of one ciudadano that owing to confronta problem at mouth catalina.

was one unidad of police cu is pasando height of mouth catalina owing to worde stop. here owing to come hear cu one man that was snorkel in the area, diripiente owing to achieve problem cu salud.

police at once owing to cuminza ask for one ambulance. here the contesta owing to come cu owing to let much person babuca. is one sun ambulance had for serve 100.000 inhabitant. then the not can give asistencia the instant ey at mouth catalina.

this is exactly thing some tourist recien owing to reclama end. they're achieve cu the area more panort of aruba, have to ricibi sikiera one police-station y one ambulance-station for yudanza more rapido. not owing to stay another alternativa for calling ask yudanza of one compania particular. one personal of ems that was on caya, owing to ricibi call y owing to acudi cu urgencia cu his equiponan for cuminza work.

all the time, esnan at ground owing to succeed trece he at canto y owing to cuminza practica cpr on dje. esnan cu the instant is at the lugar of the sucedido was enough angry for her sistema of siglo 21 at aruba, esta cu not was have ambulance disponible in one caso of urgencia. hour cu the ambulance particular owing to present all cu have, esnan of ems owing to take over y owing to follow cu cpr on he.

but at arrival at hospital, not can owing to haci nothing more. docter owing to haye is constata dead of guillermo juan ricardo medina naci at aruba on 2 of august 1950. the is conoci at aruba because; “capitan medina”.

then just capitan medina here is one ciudadano that at numeroso ocasion in pasado was boga for her coin of tax of people worde using at one form cu is beneficia people. envez cu coin of tax is worde hinca in saco of gobernantenan... the was expresa at several journalist cu coin have of bay for mihor school, mihor cuido medico, y mihor ambulance. just the ciudadano here, that always owing to boga for have one mihor sistema of ambulance at aruba... just past owing to lose his life debi cu not had ambulance of gobierno the instant ey for yude.

several person owing to comenta monday, cu they're convenci cu if acaso owing to succeed achieve ambulance at first instancia... still life of the ciudadano will can owing to worde save. esnan cu happen near of post of ambulance will can see several vehiculo staciona. but do not pay overtime, then not have trahador for core cune.

capitan medina is worde recorda because; one person that always have people y turism at pecho. the was help always for promove aruba close the bishitantenan. the self had one compania of charter yacht, y was like count ; all tourist extensivamente of thing the island here nifica for his hendenan.

the was one person that owing to cuminza reclama of the abuse of some compania new of watersports cu do not nothing beneficioso for her people aruban. the was one person that always is give his opinion at one form responsable, y cu backup.

the was always contra all clase of nepotismo, y assure was condena always cualkier deroche of coin cu gobernantenan was haci they self culpable at dje. the negligencia of esnan responsible in the caso here the minister have of carga the responsabilidad already cu the is esun have of carga the consecuencianan for his maneho.
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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: LouiseVargas on June 26, 2007, 07:59:27 PM
I can't glean much of the Pap language in posts above, so I can't comment on the case. But I sure am happy they got Lorenzo.

I'm telling you, the pics of the three big bags of pot just blew me away. They look to be as high as the table in the background. Most tables are around 30" tall. I would say they are worth a great deal of money, maybe millions.

Here in Los Angeles, one ounce of the very best good, fresh pot costs $500. And one ounce is not very big. I cannot imagine how many ounces are in those bags.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 28, 2007, 09:59:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   06/28/2007

Oduber looses case against Diario  

ORANJESTAD – In a lawsuit that Oduber had instituted against the morning paper Diario, of which the hearing was this morning, the judge ruled that he doesn’t think that Diario has insulted Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) in an article on the Namdar-case.    

The premier demanded rectification as a result of an article that appeared in the paper on May 14th that stated that the premier ‘has declared himself as main suspect’ in the Namdar-case.  Diario refused to rectify and the premier instituted the lawsuit due to insultation and slurring on his integrity.  “I admit in Oduber’s favour that Diario does impudent assertions in the article about the involvement of the government and the government party in a bribery scandal, but those assertions are strongly put into perspective”, said the judge.  According to him, it is about an analysis of the case and not a statement of the case.

Oduber’s reaction is that he will not appeal.  “I have lost enough time in this case already.  It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted.  We have actually been outlawed.”  

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Secretary of state does not act against MEP-boycott Diario  

ORANJESTAD – With much interest, secretary of state Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom Relations ( CDA ) follows the case around the Aruban governmental party MEP boycotting Diario, but she will not take any actions in this.  “The primary responsibility for guaranteeing the implementation of the democratic principles, is with the countries selves”, indicated Bijleveld in a letter to Andin Bikker, chair of the extraparliamentary group Partido Democracia Real.  

Bikker has asked the Kingdom’s Council of Ministers on April 21st to take actions against MEP’s call for a boycott.  The party decided to do this after a number of not-liked publications of Diario.  In his request, Bikker refers to a letter dated April 17th, in which the Inter American Press Association (IAPA) declared that MEP’s call to boycott Diario means violation of article 5 of the Treaties of Chapultepec.  

According to Bijleveld, this declaration is judicially not binding however.  “The guarantee-function in article 43 of the Statute that you refer at, guarantees the implementation of the democratic principles of the constitution.  The primary responsibility for this is with the countries themselves though.  The appropriate measures from the Kingdom are only taken when it appears that a country does not sufficiently interpret these structurally.  But that is not the case here”, wrote Bijleveld to Bikker.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on June 28, 2007, 10:21:53 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/28/

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Recherche riba pista pa detene grupo di hoben...
HOMBER MALTRATA SERIAMENTE CU CABEL DI CORIENTE

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso serio a tuma luga Dialuna anochi na altura di Pacifico Restaurant na Paradera. Patruya di Santa Cruz a worde dirigi cu urgencia na e direccion y a bin topa un homber mal bati y maltrata seriamente fuera tabata tin testigo presente.

E victima di inicialnan E.G.K. di 31 aña segun e relato policial ta menciona, a worde agredi pa un grupo di mucha homber. Segun calcula e grupo ta consisti di 4 pa 5 persona ta den un Suzuki Jimny color blanco. Un di ocupantenan a baha abao di e vehiculo y dal E.G.K. cu un boter di cerbez den cabez.

E victima E.G.K. a purba di core, pero e otro miembronan di e grupo a core su tras y un di nan a dale aparentemente cu bate preto na diferente biaha cu e obheto.

Despues di a comete e barbaridad aki e grupo a baha na awa den e Suzuki Jimny color blanco cu number A-47401 direccion Oranjestad.

Via Central di Polis a logra di controla e number y aparentemente esaki ta registra riba un tal R.E. Mientras Recherche tambe a presenta na e lugar y mesora a compila tur dato relaciona cu maltrato serio. A resulta cu ta un cabel di coriente, uno di esnan den e grupo a usa como arma pa comete e acto violento aki. Huez lo tene na consideracion cu e cabel aki ta un arma fuerte tambe.

E victima a ricibi sla formal na pia y brazanan fuera cap na cabez, el a laga sa di no conoce e hendenan Cu tur su dolor e victima a worde transporta pa hospital, parce pero no a keda confirma cu el a keda interna.

Recherche lo ta riba un pista pa pone man riba esnan responsible di maltrata serio y por considera esaki como un intento di asesinato. Nan lo bay presenta dilanti Huez, y nan wowo lo lombra pa basta tempo sigur den Prison di KIA. Nan tin di djis prepara nan maleta di awor caba.


Online Pap translation:

recherche on pista for detene are of young...
man maltrata seriamente cu cabel of coriente


oranjestad (aan): one caso earnest did take luga monday night at height of pacifico restaurant at paradera. patrol of santa cruz owing to worde dirigi cu urgencia at the direccion y owing to come come across one man bad beat y maltrata seriamente fuera was have witness present.

the victima of inicialnan e.g.k. of 31 year according the relato policial is menciona, owing to worde agredi for one are of boy. according calcula the are is consisti of 4 for 5 person is in one suzuki jimny color blanco. one of ocupantenan owing to descend abao of the vehiculo y strike e.g.k. cu one boter of cerbez in cabez.

the victima e.g.k. owing to try of core, but the another miembronan of the are owing to core his slow y one of they owing to dale apparently cu bate black at various trip cu the obheto.

after of owing to comete the barbaridad here the are owing to descend at water in the suzuki jimny color blanco cu number a-47401 direccion oranjestad.

via central of police owing to succeed of controla the number y apparently this is registra on one such r.e. while recherche also owing to present at the lugar y at once owing to compila all dato relaciona cu maltrato earnest. owing to resulta cu is one cabel of coriente, uno of esnan in the are owing to using because; arm for comete the acto violento here. huez will as at consideracion cu the cabel here is one arm strong also.

the victima owing to ricibi sla serious at leg y brazanan fuera cap at cabez, past owing to let know of not conoce the hendenan cu all his dolor the victima owing to worde transporta for hospital, seems but not owing to stay confirma cu past owing to stay interna.

recherche will is on one pista for place hand on esnan responsible of maltrata earnest y can considera this because; one attempt of asesinato. they will bay present fast huez, y they eye will lombra for enough time assure in jail of kia. they have of immidiately prepara they trunk of now end.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on July 02, 2007, 11:09:02 AM
This link was posted on the LCD by 2NJSons_Mom 06/30/2007:

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http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=7249

Tuesday, June 26th, 2007, 04:50 PM

I felt very uneasy during my last trip to the island in March. My rental car was surrounded twice as I drove by the RIU resort during a labor change...both times workers jumped in front of my car while other workers tried surrounding it in hopes I guess that they could stop the car...little did they know that I would have hit them if they didn't get out of the way.

Also, another PLBR member was mugged on the sidewalk while walking back from the Westin and was badly beaten and robbed by three men who disappeared into the RIU construction fenced area.....also, very close friends were robbed in their rental home while they slept and their jewerly, camera, some cash, binoculars, etc along with their wallets were stolen.

We were also "followed" twice early in the evening walking back up along the front sidewalk from Salt n Peppers to Playa Linda.....

So, I was A LOT more aware this trip and had creepy feelings in the evening everytime we went out. Will it stop me from returning? Not in 2008 it won't, but down the road it might. I'm from NY and I'm quite used to feeling creepy, but I don't need to spend this kind of money in a place where my concerns were laughed at to feel creepy. I saw no visability teams on Palm Beach the whole three weeks I was there and no police presence either.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Buckeye on July 03, 2007, 09:23:31 AM
Found this while reading around.  It is from 2004.  Not sure if it has been documented.

Wednesday, May 12th, 2004, 03:28 PM
A few years ago a young European couple I met in Aruba were to be on the island for only 1 week. They looked very sad so I asked them how they could be so sad in such a beautiful place? Well, here's the story...

The couple was staying someplace located downtown. They woke up one morning noticing that some of their jewelry were on the floor near the dresser instead of on TOP of the dresser where they placed it the night before after returning from dinner. As they were picking up the jewelry, they also noticed that some of their clothes from the dresser were on the floor. Come to find out their passports & money were gone. Evidently, someone had broken into their bedroom while they were sleeping and had stolen them.

That day the couple went straight to the police station to file a report, but they didn't have much luck getting the police to search for the criminals. The couple called their parents to ask them to get copies of their passports b/c w/o them they wouldn't be able to get out of Aruba, & also to send them more money. By this time 3 weeks had passed--still waiting for copies of their passports and to find out any news of finding the criminals.

As the couple went strolling downtown to try to get their minds off the matter, they ran into a man who was trying to sell them "something". When the couple refused, he then pulled out another item. That other item came out to be their passports. He was trying to sell them for $75 each. The couple couldn't believe it. Luckily, the man found a policeman not too far away from them and told him the situation. The policman didn't do anything. Didn't arrest the man, nor did he take the stolen passports from the seller.

After 1 month on the island, on my way to the beach I bumped into the couple again asking them what became of the situation. They said that they were finally leaving that day since they finally received copies of their passports so that they could leave the island and told me that they would never come back to Aruba again b/c of how ignorant the police were in the matter.

It is unfortunate that something like that has to happen, but it does happen.


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Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on July 03, 2007, 10:00:23 AM
Thansk Buckeye!


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: msmarple on July 03, 2007, 11:28:56 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/3/

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Explosion fuerte scucha te na Noord!
PITO LACLE A LANZA GRANADA DI MAN RIBA CAS DI SU MAMA
 
Granada similar cu loke ta usa na Marinierskazerne!


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ultimo simannan, cada biaha Polis ta bay na un adres na Paradera pa asina intermedia den un caso lamentable. E conocido recidivista Pito Lacle ta bay molestia su mama na Paradera 109.

Cada biaha ora cu Polis yega, ya caba Pito a core bay sconde. Nunca nan no ta logra haye pa pone man riba dje. Asina e ta sigui ‘reta’ autoridad cada rato. E sa bombardea e cas cu piedra, y comete destruccion eynan.

Pero loke a socede Dialuna madruga a bay demasiado extremo. Tabata algo despues di 2:15’or di madruga, cu Polis a bolbe haya informe cu na Paradera 109, tin problema atrobe. E conocido Pito un biaha mas tabata busca problema cu su mama.

Un rato despues, esnan bibando den e area a spanta pa e sonido. Un explosion fuerte y poderoso a sacudi tur cas eybanda. A resulta cu Pito a haci uso di un granada di man, y a lanza esaki riba e cas. E granada a explota, y laga tur hende ‘zonza’.

Polis a bay cu rapidez y e madruga aki realmente no a ripara mucho “daño” cu a worde cometi. Ningun hende a resulta herida. Ora cu solo a sali mainta, e ora numa habitantenan a bin realiza con grandi e daño cometi ta! Bentananan kibra, y algun a sali for di scharnier. Daño extenso riba dak, y mucho mas.

DIARIO tabata presente ora cu demas autoridad a start investigacion. Diripiente a bin topa cu un fragmento cu ta procedente di e granada di man. Ta trata di e ‘handle’ cu bo ta wanta e granada cune, ora cu bo a caba di kita e ‘pin’. Riba e handle aki tin un sticker cu un cifra. E cifra aki a resulta di ta e “Bunker Number” di Marinierskazerne Savaneta.

Tog te cu Dialuna atardi no por a haya confirmacion oficial si e granada di man cu a worde lanza riba un cas na Paradera, ta procedente di Marinierskazerne. Pero DIARIO tin informe cu e ta uno similar cu nan ta usa eyden.

Hecho ta cu Recherche a involucra Marechaussee (polis militar) staciona na Base Militar na Savaneta relaciona cu e caso serio aki. E explosion a sacudi tur cos rond di Paradera 109. E sonido fuerte a worde scucha basta leu, te na Noord.

Mientras experto den municion di guera tambe lo duna su asistencia pa determina si aki lo port a trata di un artefacto military abase di serial por saca afor ki fabricacion, cual pais a cumpra esaki y ki proposito. Arma mes ta worde control rigurosamente.

Menos ainda despues di 11 di September henter mundo a cuminsa tuma medidanan di seguridad. Tanto na aeropuertonan y hafnan. Masha hopi inversion esaki a exigi pa seguridad. Si resulta cu e handgranaat a worde saca for di Marina real na Savaneta por spera cu lo inicia cu un investigacion.

Pero si ta corecto esnan encarga cu magazijn na unda e handgranaat ta worde warda tambe a faya si e no a reporta esaki na su superiornan y autoridad local. Den pasado tambe a yega di desaparece municion for di Kazerne. For di Curaçao e tempo ey Marechaussee tambe a viaha pa Aruba pa inicia cu nan investigacion. Despues di tempo un tip a drenta na mesa di redaccion na Diario y reporteronan a bay na e lugar indica Barcadera den boca di un tanki bashi lo boso lo localiza e municionnan.

Dos reportero mesora a bay y enberdad a descubri e municionnan. Robby Burleson a bay warda di Balashi pa bati alarma, mientras su colega Django Simoons a keda vigila despues cu el a constata esaki no tabata forma peliger pa explota.

El a percura tambe pa ningun persona yega cerca cu no ta autoridad competente. Y asina tambe a keda confirma cu boshi militar y expertonan compania pa polis a inspecta e municionnan y a hiba nan kazerne back. Y alavez nos a haya razon apesar e tempo ey a keda desmenti pa alto mando militar cu a desaparece municion for di Savaneta Kamp. Te ainda Pito Lacle ta scondi. Autoridad ta buscando e persona aki pa responde pa e acto serio aki.


Online Pap translation:

explosion strong listen till at north! pito lacle owing to lanza granada of hand on cas of his mother

granada similar cu thing is using at marinierskazerne!


oranjestad (aan): ultimo simannan, cada trip police is bay at one adres at paradera for so intermedia in one caso lamentable. the conocido recidivista pito lacle is bay molestia his mother at paradera 109.

cada trip hour cu police arrive, already end pito owing to core bay sconde. never they do not succeed haye for place hand on dje. so the is follow ‘reta’ autoridad cada rato. the know bombardea the cas cu stone, y comete destruccion eynan.

but thing owing to socede monday madruga owing to bay demasiado extremo. was algo after of 2:15’or of madruga, cu police owing to go back achieve informe cu at paradera 109, have problem again. the conocido pito once more was busca problem cu his mother.  

one rato after, esnan bibando in the area owing to spanta for her sonido. one explosion strong y powerful owing to sacudi all cas eybanda. owing to resulta cu pito owing to haci usage of one granada of hand, y owing to lanza this on the cas. the granada owing to explota, y let everybody ‘zonza’.

police owing to bay cu rapidez y the madruga here genuinely not owing to ripara mucho “daño” cu owing to worde cometi. none person owing to resulta injury. hour cu sun owing to leave morning, the hour numa habitantenan owing to come realiza con big the damage cometi is! bentananan break, y some owing to leave for of scharnier. damage extenso on roof, y mucho more.

daily paper was present hour cu other autoridad owing to start investigacion. diripiente owing to come come across cu one fragmento cu is procedente of the granada of hand. is deal of the ‘handle’ cu are you wanta the granada cune, hour cu you have end of less the ‘pin’. on the handle here have one sticker cu one cifra. the cifra here owing to resulta of is the “bunker number” of marinierskazerne savaneta.

tog till cu monday nightfall not can owing to achieve confirmacion oficial if the granada of hand cu owing to worde lanza on one cas at paradera, is procedente of marinierskazerne. but daily paper have informe cu the is uno similar cu they're using eyden.

mature is cu recherche owing to involucra marechaussee (polis militar) staciona at base militar at savaneta relaciona cu the caso earnest here. the explosion owing to sacudi all cos rond of paradera 109. the sonido strong owing to worde listen enough far, till at north.

while experto in municion of war also will give his asistencia for determina if here will port owing to deal of one artefacto military abase of serial can saca afor what fabricacion, cual country owing to cumpra this y what proposito. arm self is worde control rigurosamente.

less still after of 11 of september all world owing to cuminsa take medidanan of seguridad. tanto at aeropuertonan y hafnan. very much inversion this owing to exigi for seguridad. if resulta cu the handgranaat owing to worde saca for of navy regal at savaneta can wait for cu will inicia cu one investigacion.

but if is corecto esnan encarga cu magazijn at where the handgranaat is worde keep also owing to abort if the not owing to reporta this at his superiornan y autoridad local. in pasado also owing to arrive of desaparece municion for of kazerne. for of curaçao the time ey marechaussee also owing to viaha for aruba for inicia cu they investigacion. after of time one tip owing to enter at table of redaccion at daily paper y reporteronan owing to bay at the lugar indica barcadera in mouth of one tanki bashi will you will localiza the municionnan.

two reportero at once owing to bay y enberdad owing to descubri the municionnan. robby burleson owing to bay keep of balashi for beat alarma, while his colega django simoons owing to stay vigila after cu past owing to constata this not was form danger for explota.

past owing to percura also for none person arrive close cu do not autoridad competente. y so also owing to stay confirma cu boshi militar y expertonan compania for police owing to inspecta the municionnan y owing to take away they kazerne back. y alavez we owing to achieve razon despite the time ey owing to stay desmenti for alto command militar cu owing to desaparece municion for of savaneta kamp. till still pito lacle is scondi. autoridad is buscando the person here for responde for her acto earnest here.
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Hand grenade thrown at (or into) a house at 109 Paradera. No one injured but considerable damage to the house. I believe it's saying that the house was occupied by Pita Lacle's mother.


Title: Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Post by: Anna on July 05, 2007, 11:08:48 AM
MsMarple,

We quickly passed the 35,000 views landmark and still climbi