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I didn't think you were sleeping on the job because you never sleep :D

:lol:  Contrary to popular belief, I probably get more sleep than alot of you  :lol:

After I wake up this morning I'm going to try to get some REAL work done.  ha ha

Klaas - I'm looking at the cell records now...can you e-mail me the highest resolution map of Aruba you have? File size does not matter...my e-mail addy is my name at yah**

TIA

I'll see what I can find

Let's remember that Paulus was gone from ARuba with his Judge training for a year. Joran would have been 16 and Val 13.  A fine time for teenage boys to be without their Father's influence.  Of course Joran claims that it was Anita who meted out the discipline (what discipline?) such as curfews, permission to go places, etc.  Most likely she couldn't control the boys or just didn't care.  She probably knew Paulus's proclivities and turned a blind eye, especially when Paulus was in the NL studying. It's no wonder that Paulus was bounced out of the program.  Maybe Paulus likes young boys as well as young girls and brings them home to share with Anita?   :shock:  :shock:  :shock:   Joran sure looks like he would swing both ways.  Perhaps that is what some of his rage is over.

Metro everybody is hoping that you can make sense of the cell calls map!

CHECK THIS OUT!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Some Holloway hoaxsters unravelled
Friday, August 11, 2006

Dear Sir:


Thank you for your recent coverage of the two recent court decisions, one awarding damages to Mr Paulus van der Sloot for unwarranted detention, and another dismissing a Holloway-family suit initiated in New York State against Paulus and Joran van der Sloot, which sought monetary damages for the vanishing of the missing Natalee Holloway.

The internet and entertainment news media fueled a frenzy of sensationalism which spawned many anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba, anti-van der Sloot websites and eventually culminated in some US states' governments declaring a boycott against travel to the sovereign country of Aruba.

One website, which counts among its contributors two individuals who have written hundreds and hundreds of defamatory anti-Aruba and anti-Dutch articles on its site and on various anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba hate sites, recently offered up its contributors' posting records for review and analysis.

This review proved conclusively that a small cadre of Internet posters, sending messages from a select number of unique and readily identifiable Internet Protocol addresses, used a plethora of log-in names from intercheangable locations to flood that website with defamatory misinformation.

There is no reason to believe that this is unique to this one website; individual posters on other Holloway-related sites have posted as many as 8,000 messages since the last weeks of March, 2006, and writing styles and content, easily recognizable, suggest that there is a contingent of posters who seemingly spend their days, almost full-time, filling the Internet with messages designed to keep the interest alive and the traffic to various sites up.

What has been done to analyze the postings to this one website should be done by them all: follow the boiler room-type posters and you'll follow the money, and likely solve the mystery of the without-a-trace vanishing in the process.

Dayo Gould
Vancouver, BC

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000027/002733.htm

That's funny.  Maybe we should start forwarding all of the witness statements to the Caribbean net news for them to decide who is telling the truth and who is lying???

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Metro - I just emailed you 2.  I have another that may help but I have to search for it.

Yayyyy!

Almetroguy to the rescue :D


Tylergal & San (from last thread)...

I think that's the part that I couldn't grasp -- why I couldn't accept that this has been done before..

I agree with you San -- I think if it were my daughter (I don't have any children) the boy would be fish food, if I had to spend the rest of my life in jail :twisted:

Although I was severely put down for that position on a different site (the daughter had enough trauma, wouldn't want to subject them to more, need to protect them, what do I know I don't have children) I still feel that way.

Why aren't the parents of these girls yelling louder? How can they perpetuate the shame by not helping thier children learn that one way to NOT be a victim is to fight back.

How do they expect their daughters to 'heal' and regain 'esteem' if they perpetuate the shame :?:

If this is the majority opinion of Aruban parents -- it's no woner the PIMP thing is going strong. And you're right -- probably started a long, long time ago :evil:

Rufo Solognier, retired Aruban "police" officer, uncle to Steve Croes, and his next-door neighbor,

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Thanks Klaas....got it...looking at them now..

Oh My!  Look At All Those Statements!

It's gonna take some time to explore these latest ones.  ANd from reading last nite's thread, it looks like I'll need some disinfectant to work through this depravity.

But I sense the lid being ripped off something.  And while Aruba may now attempt to close case, it may another attempt that fails.  With some of these revelations -- and startling new FACTS, it seems increasingly strange that "someone" was successfully charged and prosecuted in this case.

I noticed from last nite's thread that Tylergal seems pretty strong that paulus was directly involved in assault / murder of Natalee.

Was wondering if anyone could summarize what she sees that brings her to that conclusion.

While there is now so much new material to wade through, I did want to offer a pov I had formed from study of Kalpoe statements of 6/16 and prior.

Increasingly, I believe Natalee was drugged at C&C.  And base this on the timing of deepak's bathroom break at C&C and satish's well timed receipt of vibrating call from his brother while he was standing next to goon and Natalee.  Satish receives the call just as jvds and Natalee go to "take a shot".  And deepak is conveniently absent from the shot taking scene.  Based on their need to distance themselves from this important event at C&C that nite, it's almost certain, imo, that Natalee was drugged there.  This further informs the need for for jvds to tell deppak upon arrival to car to "drive around" to allow for effects of drug to take hold.  Further, they may have fed her additional dosages somewhere along the way.  And I think it explains their descriptions of Natalee as alternately falling asleep and waking, etc.

Based on above, and imo, I also think it's safe to conclude that significant portions of the beach story as related by K2 are false.

Dayo Gould is someone who is dangerous and you do not want to mess with him.  His financial interests in Aruba are wide and sinking as fast as Anita's chest.

I think Dayo Gould has a split personality, one minute he's accusing Medleyrelay of being Natalee Holloway and having multiple nicknames and locations on boards and now he's accusing the family friendly sites.   :roll:

FROM JORAN'S STATEMENT:

When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartement with us.

San wrote:

I agree that they kept on drugging Natalee.  Natalee was not in her right mind when they gave her the first drug.  It is easy to continue drugging her from there.

I believe Chato had a lot more than whiskey in that flask.

Cell Phone Records

Ok..I have reviewed the "cell phone records" and strictly in my opinion this information is very very thin and there is not enough detail which should have been available. My basis for saying this is simply this:

A. The cell site id's are the numbers for the actual cell sites ie. site at H.I. is 9123 which only identifies the cell site in the network.

B. In GSM, TDMA and analog networks the network uses a "re-use" scheme to handle call traffic on the cell sites which is why you see some of the cell_id's listed multiple times. All the sites are on different frequencies thus the need for "re-use" to handle the traffic. Also it is important to note that these air interface technologies are narrowband meaning there will be multiple frequencies. Also each site has the antennas called alpha, beta and gamma.

C. The level of call detail that should have been available would show which site and specifically which antenna on the site would have handled the call and there should have been network messaging that would show where the network would direct the call next based on which way the mobile (JVDS's mobile) was traveling. Additionally, the call detail would have shown with date/time stamps call origination, each hand-over to each site(establishing direction the mobile was moving) and when the call ended. The call detail would also show (obivously) who originated the call and who received the call. Based on my research I cannot tell if Setar uses the GPS capability availability in most mobiles.

So..again in my opinion in the context of the evening in question this data only shows that JVDS was in the area around 7:25PM for a total of 2 minutes and 28 seconds and that he called Deepak at work. Based on the timeline sticky thread it appears that JVDS entered the casino at the H.I. around 7:51PM

In terms of technical relavance..theres not too much to work with. In terms of establishing JVDS location on the evening in question I believe it does establish he was in the area.

**Disclaimer - this is all strictly opinion based on my experience only and should be taken within the context offered.

So if I am reading what Metro just opined concerning cell phone records, there would be more information if somebody had asked for it?  Or there is more info out there?  

I would hope there is more detail out there and I bet there is.  Does someone already have the info?  Are they going to do anything with it?

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Peaches...there maybe or maybe not more information available. It would depend on what the service provider captures and retains. I think what is relavant is that this information while thin establishes that JVDS in the area at the time stated. Now..what was he doing in the area? I don't know but I think it's interesting that the time line states he and PVDS are seen entering the H.I. casino at 7:51PM and that the call he did make was to Deepak...were they planning the evening? Were they talking soccer? Who knows..

I don't have children either Sharon and we both feel the same way.

Does anyone have the link to the tickle or myspace site for Van Der Straaten's son, or who we thought might be his son?  Was it Guillermo?

His name is Gillian.

Thank you, Metro.  That's what I thought.

Moko can hardly be a dump if millian dollar homes are built there.

Found this about Moko on the real estate site:

The property (freehold) land is 40.270 m2 (433.305 square feet). In MOKO, quiet area North-western part of the island. Already adjacent to development area with high class housing. Price per square meter US$ 34.30 Excellent opportunity for developers.

Location: MOKO Price: US$1,381,261.00

http://www.arubarealestate.com/search/real.mv

Morning Monkeys. I see another monkey thinks I should be in a book...well I agree.  The book entitled "Most Marvelous Monkey Musings". I think it would make a great coffee table book and a conversation starter.  :wink:


Now, a question or two...do the cell records indicate anything about that "8 minute" call we have heard reference to?  Maybe Metro can clue me in, as most of you know, my technical abilities are limited.  Did anyone answer my question last night about who is the John Charles Croes that Deepak refers to in some of his statements? TIA

Is there a question in your mind about the Lighthouse area?

SunFreak2 --

There literally is a swampy 'dump' in the Moko area.

TES dogs got 'hits' there.

There have been many pictures posted of this swampy dump. With the white pickup truck sitting on top of a pile of junk.

The next time I come across a picture of it, I will post it or the link for you.

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Honestly, not really because I think the diagrams provided are inadequate/incorrect in that the diagram shows a "lighthouse" but maps of the island only show the "California Lighthouse". When I look at the diagrams of the cell_id's they look to be in the Palm Beach area but when you look at a map of the island the lighthouse shown is the one on the northern tip of the island.

What is does make me think if the evidence collecting is as inaccurate as these diagrams then ALE will never be able to solve this case.

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Hi Lala's - this call that we have the "records" for is a seperate call that was around 7:25PM in the early evening. I think the "8 minute" call was seperate and in the early morning hours of 5/30

Metro:

#9123 is the Lighthouse on this map.  Richting (direction) Lighthouse.  That is the California Lighthouse at the northern tip of the island.  It's hard to see but there is an arrow saying richting (dirction) Lighthouse.


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Interesting comment from Joran's 6/24 statement :shock:


To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down

In their minds it's famous as the Pimp Car.  I will refer to it as the Pervert Car from now on.  Talk about priorities, you can tell what they spend their time scheming and planning about.

Metro-

Google Earth has also recently updated their maps of Aruba, I had the link stored but can't find it, but I was surprised by the level of detail they have plotted now via satellite - so you might want to look there too.

Hammer-

One statement contains Joran relating how his father can't remember things, has a memory problem? Intuition tells me that is a really powerful clue to what was happening here, and indicative also of his desire to cover for his father?

Joran's June24th statement:

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is twelve (12) years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name

This makes me SICK to my stomach.  12 years old. :twisted:

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Klaas - I don't know. The diagram could be using that as a nomenclature to indicate direction only. Since the call was only 2 minutes and 28 seconds it appears the Cali lighthouse is at least 4 miles away and I don't think JVDS could have made it 4 miles from Palm Beach to the lighthouse in the call time duration indicated.

If I could get a better system coverage map showing all cell site's with id's
I could give a better opinion.

However...I could be wrong...

See, I agree with you Sharon... and IMO... the person being raped should have no shame, IT ISN'T SOMETHING YOU ASK FOR and it's not about sex.   The shame belongs to those that allow it to continue.

As for the Dayo editorial.... he just mixed up his facts - it isn't our site with posters having differnent names.... it's not like RU where we have bondia/scoop/glenda..... etc.  need I say more? :roll:

The Addled, Failed Judge-in-Training

nonsuche writes: "One statement contains Joran relating how his father can't remember things, has a memory problem? Intuition tells me that is a really powerful clue to what was happening here, and indicative also of his desire to cover for his father?"

What ?!?

goon explains his dad has "memory problem" -- the "I can't recall" defense.  

But he's a JUDGE (waana-be).  He HAS to remember things (like legal statutes) to perfomr his function.  No wonder he failed his judge test in March.

These are incredible statements.

Well jvds stated he paid $20 for the drinks - isn't that the exact amount jossy mentioned on dana's show?  

as for the beach story... I will never not believe that story didn't come about due to the woman who was accosted there... they were trying to pin this on something unrelated that had already happened to make it more plausible - i have never believed they were at the beach.

JOran's June 24th statement:

 that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond
- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

None:  this is rather peculiar - I agree that Joran seems to be covering for dear old dad.  In other words, don't even ask Paulus anything.

IF they were both to tell the truth, the statements WOULD coorespond.  This statement speaks volumes to me.  He is just pre-emptivly stating this - like - see I told you he doesn't remember anything.  Grrr. :evil:

Mrs. Thanks - I think they are mighty cute too!

Mrs. I also think he paid $20 for 2 shots of 151.

Lala's,

Don't throw the book at me...the coffee table book, that is.   :)   Was a little disappointed you left for some sleep, but your good example got me to do the same.

Reading Metro's analysis of the cell phone call record I find it disappointing that call detail is not returning all possible data, but then, considering where it was taken and by whom, it is not a surprise.  Thanks for your opinion, Metro, and glad we have someone here with the know how.

I rambled:

"If I could get a better system coverage map showing all cell site's with id's
I could give a better opinion."

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My reason for saying this is that I need to know the cell_id's that would be in use at the lighthouse. If you look on the diagrams you see cell_id's 9123,9252,9191,9193,9063 listed. Based on cell re-use planning and the coverage pattern (in miles) of the cell sites then 9123 might not be re-used at the lighthouse. Meaning a different combination of cell_id's could be in use at the light house say 9200, 9201, 9300, 9301(as an example) then 9123 would not be covering the lighthouse.

So..back to my statement above I need to see a better coverage map of the island for Setar. These are typically proprietary and not published in the public domain exept in the U.S. by the F.C.C. as they grant radio liscenses for each one.

I still have more reading to do - can somebody answer real quick where we are getting the docs and from who or is that top secret?

but what if he was smart enough to use semantics.... the drinks cost $20... meaning each drink was $20... see what I mean?

Here is my impression of these "statements"

These are not interrogations.  They are questioniers that the ALE handed to the suspects. The suspects filled them out, discussed/modified them with their lawyers and handed them back in.

No we are not at liberty to reveal that.... unless Red tells y'all....

I am off to lunch!

See ya later!

Add that to the computer lurking and we have a winner!  Bingo.  Paulus is the pervert, rapist, murderer.

Metro,

Are the cell IDs similar to DNIS assigned to regular phone numbers, or just the towers that relay the cell calls?

Hi FM - have a great lunch, sorry I missed your call-out yesterday!

Kimmy & Hammer - honestly that statement alone that Paulus could not be RELIABLE due to memory issues kept me up last night. What son at Joran's age would say that, and for what reason??????

It smacks of him knowing the daddy breadwinner would lose his job if the world knew what he had done? Or that he's been using that excuse for years if and when Anita caught him up to no good?

The list could be infinite.....

well Nut, if you put enough people up to no good on a site together, sooner or later they eat their young if you know what I mean !

My problem is that I do my best thinking when I am at the point of exhaustion.  That is why many times I have thrown things out there and then all of a sudden decide I need sleep.  I am a night owl that has to participate in daytime activities. Sorry, but this is the weekend, I will be on a roll tonight...tune in.  :wink:

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Hi 2NJ..the cell id's are unique to the cell network only to identify the cell site for traffic management.

If I am up to it, I will join you.  I always love it when you are on a roll.

He doesn't know her last name.  
How nice.
His parents must be so proud.

this absolutley proves that this POS van der sloot has no boundries.  He will do whatever it takes to get his rocks off.  This POS needs to cross paths with a bullet.

Hi Peaches-

After reading the statements I am left with the distinct impression that females are nothing more than "sport" to these three, and particularly Joran and Jamie.

Like prey to be hunted and conquered, nothing more and nothing less.

Amazing how Anita's new age philosophies have elminated any sense of humanity in her goon son.

I need spell check for posts, I meant eliminated.

The problem with that new-age chit is that it is okay for the practitioners of it to do anything they wish without impunity as long as it feels good, but the rest of us are to maintain perfect morals and pay the taxes so they can keep us under lock and key.  Know your enemy. It is the new-age thinkers.

meant to say, "with impunity.."  time for my pain pill, take a nap and join Lala's when I can think.

My thoughts too. It is apparent that they give them a list of things they would like to know and then let the suspects choose which ones they want answered.  Any further doubt about a cover up should be put to rest just by reading this stuff.

I wonder what the "cut off" age is?  13?  14?  

How old does she have to be for a BJ?  12?  13?  

Give it time.

tyler-

I divorced one who in mid-life suddenly went from preppydom to wanting to go bang drums with his brothers for being male is such a burden  :roll:

I find my jock son a heckuva lot more humane than our new age wannabe's.

Just wanted to let everyone know--Nancy Grace will be discussing the case on her show this evening.  They are using my photos of Joran with the new girl...should be interesting.

I will be here with bells on...unless I have computer problems or some such problem.  See you tonight.

Hi Celeste - thanks, we will be watching for sure.  I also sent Nancy Grace links to the statements we've recently posted, it will be interresting to see if she mentions them.

Thanks Celeste... can you get her to all of these crazy statements?

Well I'm also going to bring up something from Joran's statements which is not politically correct, and pray I don't bungle it.

The mention of blood? That is expressly related to being a virgin that is deflowered as they say. I also will say as diplomatically as I can, that a virgin can ride horses, do gymnastics, play field hockey and basketball, and fall down the stairs about ten times and still have that circumstance when deflowered.

Why was Joran quizzed about the bleeding????? Or did he volunteer it or interject it, did anyone else find that unusual as well?

Celeste-

THANK YOU for all you have tried to do.

Personally, I think it was an all time high for him... oh look a virgin that is older than 14 or so.... think about the ages of these girls... maybe they were surprised by the fact that Natalee was a virgin...

I hope what I am trying to get at makes sense....  :(

You make perfect sense Mrs Red,

I AGREE, it makes me ill to think of how he must have enjoyed that he conquered her.

the whole thing has made me really ill and overwhelmed me with how awful that island is....

Somewhat like a trunk picked up on an outgoing regular call?  I don't mean to be a PITA. :?

I saw a photo of Chavez at a press conference while bemoaning his ill friend Castro yesterday that chilled me, somehow I think that region has slid into something so dark and sinister like Aruba, that I worry for our children and our world all the more.

2NJMom & Metro-

Thank you both for the insight and dialogue regarding the cell specifics, again I know I saw cell towers plotted on that google earth map, so I hope perhaps you two can review that mapping to see it?

Along with my prayers for the middle east, I prayed for cuba... that is not  a good situation at all... raoul is worse than fidel....

am i reading these computer records correctly? :shock:

The night Natalee disappeared, Joran searched google for the effects of drugs and alcohol on young people? :shock:

was he trying to find out what went wrong when he gave Natalee a mixture of druga and alcohol?!!?!?!?!?!?!?! :shock:

Hi monkeys, just a fly by, but a friend who helped with the prayer chain just sent me this from the JetBlue site...Lotsa damage control going on...Looks like AHTA is aware of the monkeys writing boycott letters to JetBlue. Their CYA routine makes me physically ill. Excuse me now while I
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Aruba is remembering the one year anniversary of the missing young lady Natalee Holloway. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family

Introduction

Almost from the moment Natalee Holloway disappeared, the nation of Aruba has been focused on finding her.

1. Aruba has, from the start, continuously carried out a highly professional extensive and intensive effort to find Ms. Holloway.

2. Aruba has continuously, from the beginning, sought and used strategic help from the world’s experts on missing persons.

3. The people of Aruba have and will continue to cooperate and collaborate with private search and investigative efforts by the Holloway and Twitty families, and all credible groups.

4. The people of Aruba will communicate their efforts in this case through public channels, diplomatic channels, and in other useful ways; and to correct and clarify reports and information provided by others who are less informed or in error.

5. The people of Aruba treasure their well-established ties with the U.S. It is this friendship and mutual respect for each other that will help all of us successfully get through this very difficult time.

The people of Aruba have responded to this situation with great sympathy for the anguish the Holloway and Twitty families are experiencing. The Aruban community, police, government, and many members of the Aruban business community have gone out of their way to assist the Holloway and Twitty families by participating in extensive searches of the island, donating large sums of money to search efforts, offering discounted as well as complimentary services,handing out ribbons and flyers, holding vigils and prayer services, setting up radio station tip hotlines, and cooperating fully with police officials.

Support in Funding the Search and Rescue Efforts of Ms. Natalee Holloway

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support
• Financial contributions
• Contributions by the hotel industry
• Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty
• A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage
• Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support
• Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return
• Private group searches were held for weeks
• Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00
Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry
The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00
The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00
The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00
Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

Other Contributions

• Numerous private boats for the search
• Use of a submarine as transport for the search teams
• Use of a helicopter
• Transportation for the search teams/members
• Search efforts by the Dutch Marines and the Coast Guard
• Search dogs
• Dutch F-16 planes with approximately 40 highly-trained experts (plus housing and food and beverage for these experts in Curaçao)
• Machinery for the many searches
• Half day off for all civil servants to participate in the search efforts
• Assistance from the Search and Rescue team of Aruba
• Assistance from the Red Cross of Aruba
• Boat/diving equipment (such as tanks, refills) and use of the Pelican Pier for the search operation
• Fire Department devoted several days to draining ponds
• Dutch investigators flown in to interrogate the suspects and review the investigation
• Judges specially flown in from Curaçao
• Restaurant contributions for free meals
• Free rental cars to the family and various search teams
• Various other contributions to the Texas Equusearch

The total contribution of the island of Aruba, in this case, is substantial – monetarily as well as non-monetarily.   
   

Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Alabama, was reported missing on May 30, 2005. Concerted efforts by the government, law enforcement officials as well as the entire Aruban community have since been ongoing in helping to determine her whereabouts.

Mrs Red, I have heard that about Fidel's brother and it concerns me he's hidden away since annoucing he is in charge. Yesterday I was also struck by the renewed importance of alliances for the US, such as what we have with Britain. It will be impossible to navigate this current discord safely without secure alliances, so that raises new fears in me.

blah-

Was it Joran surfing for those answers or was it Paulus?

Mishy-

I do hope Nancy Grace seizes the statements, I think I'll head off and shoot an email that way, for this with Jet Blue only evidences how hard Cohen and friends will try to sweep all of this under the rug.

One more airline I won't book a flight on now.

It says Paulus I guess.  This is incredible!!!!

Why are these assholes still walking around free???

It creeped me out too.  As if he expected blood. As if the presence indicated he had done a good job.

Thanks so much to our brave, pretty girl Celeste.

I agree...I think they were surprised that she was a virgin and was something they never anticipated.

Tell me about it, baby!! Seals that deal, for sure!!

 :shock:   :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

Peaches-

In medieval Europe the wedding night bedsheets were hung outside the family residence window to demonstrate virginity, the next morning. In some communities if there was no 'evidence' then the bride was banished or even stoned, certainly shunned. So honestly I find Joran's comment reminiscint of that barbaric reality. When Hammer has mentioned "trophy" in his commentaries regarding predators, I also think that is evidence Joran looks for the trophy element.

'Twould be great if Nancy Grace talked about PVDS surfing for info on alcohol and drugs online!!

I think there was a specific question about this and that is why Joran mentioned it.  He has always maintained that Natalee told him she was a virgin.  I think it's another CYA effort on Joran's part, just in case they actually find the body.

Paulus.  I think you just said what Deepak said, "Your own father, unbelievable."

None --

I will re-read all the statements this weekend (hopefully).

The statements were coming so fast & furious (which was a good thing) that although many comments and exchanges struck me as odd -- I did not make notes.

I thought all of the comments relating to the sexual activity as strange to say the least. And yes -- I need to look for the underlying reason for the comments.

I will say that it was apparent to me that at a certain point, they knew that Natalee was not going to be recovered and therefore they could say anything.

Funny how Deepak went from 'she was nice and was beautiful when she danced' to 'looked, talked, acted like a slut'.

And I don't believe for one minute that he did these things to put the heat on himself and away from Satish.

It is also obvious from Joran's and Jamie's statements that 'sex' has nothing to do with 'what's in it for the girl' (was that politically correct :D ). It's only about him.

Oh Anita -- so much for you to be proud of. How delicious :twisted:



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None, for sure.  The US could have no better allies than England and Israel.  

As an aside, I do not know who coined "Eurotrash," but I think they had met Paulus & Anita.

Me too...it's totally overwhelming and seems that debauchery is the coin of the realm.

tylergal-

Do you get the feeling that I do, that maybe even Deepak has more morality <however tiny> than the VDS's do? unbelievable...

Don't forget Australia...they have been a great ally as well...John Howard has been right there with Dubya and Blair.

Eurotrash takes on a whole new meaning now.

Good Afternoon, Monkeys!

Nonesuche .....It is good to see you! I so admire you. Please know even though I do not post a lot, you, Mr. None, children, and family are in our thoughts and prayers daily.  God Bless you all.  


I have a lot to read to catch-up! To whomever is releasing all the statements, etc., THANK YOU!  It is time the world knows what has been going on!

It's only a matter of time that Chavez will try to officially annex Aruba, I think.

I hate to pull Simian out, but......

June 23, 2005 at 2:56 pm
There is a gap in the stories bewteen father & son.

June 23, 2005 at 3:03 pm
The gap is in the timeline.  Phone records. Log-on times on PC's.

June 23, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Steve Croes is singing

June 24, 2005 at 12:31pm
The father has two important rights:
1) One cannot testify against or for one's family.
2) He has the right not to incriminate himself.

June 24, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning.  No wonder he was late for school.

June 24, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.  It was too hard for her and she could not handle the pressure.  I am done.  I am leaving now....

June 25, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate. The boy is mutilating his own tongue.  He doesn't want to let the old man down.

June 25, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home.  Joran stayed behind.  Somebody had to come get him.

June 25, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say.  They did not know why.  They were asked to protect the boy.  The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

June 25, 2005 8:57 pm
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.

The boy knows his father knows the way.  He's been inside the palace for many years.  It has worked before.  This time too much is at stake.  This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.

The music man is singing.  The Simian can't understand the words.

A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue.  Swollen & thick.  This boy is lost.


My comments:
Joran refuses to answer questions b/c of his father's arrest, as seen in his statement of June 24, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17th, released June 26th.  I hope we get his statements, too.  I wonder what all he said.  I wonder too if he witnessed it?

In retrospect, Simian seems to know the inside scoop on what is happening in Aruba before or right when it happens.  

This is interesting too:
Simian says:
June 24, 2005 at 3:05 pm
Dutch the west coast is busy..however, that road between the bushes is very hidden. Have taken girls there myself, but in cars.  If you are on foot it would be so easy to hide in the mangroves.  The fisherman's huts.  There are no streetlights there.

How come the "Black Team" was not aware is beyond me.  They are all over in that area.  At least they used to be.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/e1b8cf6e.jpg)
Above photo: Search of the area around the Fisherman's Huts.

Gotta go to work, be back tonight.  Keep it under control monkeys.  

P.S. to  Nonesy...I made that payment today. :wink:

Absolutely.  I wish that we could get Deepak out of Aruba and in a witness protection program so he could talk.  It seems to me that Deepak & Joran were not really good friends, and Joran used Deepak that night because he could not get his PIMP friends.  Undoubtedly Deepak & Satish were going to be set up if Micky & Abraham failed to be prosecuted.  

Ono, you are right.  John Howard has been a great ally and Italy was until that socialist was elected.

REALLY concerning living here in Miami.

Raul is 75 and in worse health than Fidel -- so I hear from the local Cuban population. So I'm not sure I'm buying into too much that they are reporting.

I have also heard that there is a 'structuring' going on that will put a cabinet of advisors together for Raul. So I wonder what is really happening.

Many Cubans here in Miami are calling for their remaining family in Cuba to revolt and overthrow.

Many Cubans here in Miami say that if the government is overthrown and a democratic government is put in place -- that they will leave the US and return to Cuba. What a mess.

Where's my mountain top? I think it's time for me to contemplate my navel and chant :D

sorry....back to Natalee.

yes he has Ono

Eurotrash for sure, maybe even Suriname has more morality of some kind than Aruba - sure smacks to think so. It is the most impoverished country in that region some say. At least in Suriname the K brothers got into trouble with the LE, amazing huh?

Their Lives Will Be Destroyed

...if they aren't already.

Will jossy be putting these statements on Dairio front page, one statement at a time, for the next 3 weeks?  Or will he break each statement into installments and serialize the content -- making this educational reading for the next 6 months?

What about the next round of msm reporting?  What will be said now?  How do Tacopina and Cohen spin this mess and evil depravity away?  What can they possibly say to make any of this better?

How does Anita hold a job around children at ISA, after these exposures?

How does paulus get a job, after it's clear his son and he are deviants?  Searching the internet re: "drugs & alcohol" on May 30, 2005?

How does Nadira get a job?  Her sons are predators.

And all the rest...

How do they wipe the stain away, when it is printed in the infiniteness of the web?  It will stay here forever, readable, accessible by everyone, everywhere.

Their lives are destroyed.  Utterly.

Yes...that has to be what he meant. It makes perfect sense.

sharon-

a snapshot of our world in this moment in time is far from pretty, can I go to the mountain-top with you?

The gun is interesting.  Now I am wondering if a gun was used.  Was it Deepak's gun?  Or is Deepak huffing and puffing to say he is not scared of Paulus & Joran because he has a gun.  Or is he reminding Joran that he got rid of the gun that Paulus used. :shock:

Hammer-

I would tend to share all of your sentiments, but I am haunted by the report that Joran was treated as a hero and congratulated upon the news that his father had won his suit for compensation last week.

So perhaps in Aruba lives aren't ruined but folk heros are made by those who slap the face of the dirty americans?

I feel for Jossy. Aruba reminds me of France during DeGaulle's regime, whatever hurts the dirty americans is AOK.

I'm not tylergal -- but, yes.

But apparently not enough for him to come forward with the truth as he knows it.

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I've got to go on some errands.  Y'all keep up the great work!!   :D

 :D

Of course. As long as we don't talk about work :D

Perhaps a little more, yes. I just wish he would crack' and tell ALL he knows. He could be a rich man, although he would have to leave Aruba. The ball is in his court. Deepak....do the right thing.

I forgot to post this:

This was found on Andre' Santos Tickle page:
Lou-ann:
YO PIDGEON!!!! Hahahaha!!!! Whooo I haven't seen you in ages!! You're always dissing me for those hot American tourists at the Holiday Inn!! Hahaha! Well can can I say about you? You are truly unique for one! But you are sooo very annoying and so FRESH!! But deep inside there's thise itty bitty part of you that's nice too! Hahaha, nah you're a great person, always willing to have fun! I love that about you! Well we should go out drinking again, noh! We'll keep in touch! ;) Luv yah and just admit it already that you luv me too!! Muahaha! Take care hun!

Are we not reminded of Neville Chamberlain?

It's too weird for last night while reading I also beagn to see Deepak in a better light and then had to shake myself into reality, as we don't really know about him/Satish yet.  I wonder if he has regretted getting mixed up with these junior mobsters? He was decidedly the new hired chauffeur.

cookies then?  :wink:  :lol:

Is Friday navel gazing day? :lol:  :lol:

Another reason I want to carefully re-read the statements this weekend..

Joe Tapioca told us that the statements clearly show many avenues pointing away from Joran.

He must have said that thinking we would never see the statements.

Because so far....I haven't seen any avenues pointing anywhere except the original suspects.

______

Found this at Tickle too:

Karen Martina
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=dgjFOVx54an6VsEa

and a girl named Fleur (maybe Flor?) Her full name is Dutch
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=dgjFOVx54an6VsEa

I must go read some more ..... I have wondered very early in this whether there was a gun involved at  some point...isn't there a shooting range on Aruba?

 :D

Sunfreak-

another good find on your part, how they must laugh at toying around with those hot americans!

tyler-

I could never hold up against you in political debate, you know far more than I do, I always defer to your knowledge of that realm.

Ono-

Good to see you. I danced around mr none's bed to jimmy buffett yesterday just to make him laugh :oops: I do think certainly the K2 were 'assigned' certain roles for and with Joran, and that Deepak really resents being under his shoe. But not enough to do the right thing, he's too selfish for that. I'd be satisfied if he repaid Joran at some point however, so both end up in dire circumstances.  :wink:

I must run, time for me to coax some lunch into mr none. Take care all and have a navel friday !!!!!!  :lol:

 A Great Way to HELP TES [/color]

I came across this seach engine....it DONATES to your favorite charity much the way goodle ads work each time you use it.  I entered TES as a charity (it previously was not listed) and received an e-mail back that TES will be active as a charity tomorrow.

                            http://www.goodsearch.com

So....if each of us uses it as a search engine, and we spread the word, TES will receive money!  I think it's a great idea, and hope you do, too!

Here is a copy of the e-mail I received:

Hi XXXXXXXXXXX


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Sun Freak, thanks for all these pictures.  I did not see Flor, "Fleur."

Me either.  I never could find Gillian Van Der Stratten.  Found plenty of the rest of them.

Time to commute.  TGIF to all in the Cage.

Good Afternoon, Monkeys!

NOMAD,
Thanks for that link.  I put a shortcut to my desktop.

As much as we monkeys search  :roll: we should be able to get TES some sort of a contribution.

Let's all make a shortcut and try to remember to use this search engine!
At this point in time, I don't think there is much TES can find but it might make the family feel better to cover ALL bases.

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I have had a ticklesite for Giliam or Gilliam van der Straten fairly recently.  He seems to like in Curacao.  I am not on my main harddrive right now but you should be able to find him if you fix the spelling of his first name.

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Edit like to "live"!   :oops:

From Police Van:

Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who

From June 24th statement(joran)

 Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back.

When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents.

Does any of this sound familiar?  No doubt in my mind that what happened to Karen also happened to Natalee.  The drinking, 3 guys in the car, going back to Joran's.....

What a great find!!!!!!  This is wonderful!

Okies ~ the email that received says "tomorrow" TES will be activated...  

What do we type in for TexasEquusearch to be credited?  I hope you put TES or something easy...   :)

I just tried putting TES in and verifying it ~ nope ~ got this notice:

No charities could be found. Try another search or click here to add a charity to our list.

FYI monkeys:

I was just notified that the above info came from the aruba.com site, not the jetblue site...Just wanted to clarify...Carry on!!

Yep...back to Joran's..which reminds me of that weird remark of Deepak's:...."she (Natalee) hit her head on the floor" when he describes letting Natalee out at the Holiday Inn.......now, does Joran's apt have a ceramic/stone floor as so common in decor?  And then fast-forward to a comment of his (I think it's Deepak's) in a statement whereby he states that Joran's mattresses were on the floor of his room the first time (supposedly) that Paulus had a meeting with the three to have a brainstorming session.....did she hit her head on Joran's floor during the struggle ????

yep and I still think 'it' happened at the sloot compound. God, I hate to say because I know family reads here, but we need to say it. Let me try to say this gently....OK.....Natalee passed away at the sloots home, imo. It was NOT a 'murder'. It was umm...some sort of accident while possible sexual relations were going on and or she woke up enough to try and run away. Obviously she was drugged after seeing so many statements and we know she had booze too. Pappa sloot is in up to his neck in this as much as the 3 suspects, as well as whoever was there during what they thought was just going to be a 'regular gangbang' that had been done many times before.
HOW MANY TIMES have we here at sm and some of those at bfn talked about this scenario....MANY TIMES! ALL OF US! I have more to say about the 'virginal part' and the 'fingering' of Joran's statements, but would rather not comment at this time.

Was the bloody mattress one from Joran's apartment? The one with dog blood and does not Joran refer to women as dogs?

40 MID-AIR TERROR PLOT SUSPECTS REPORTEDLY ARRESTED IN ITALY

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I guess she doesnt know which brother she wants to doink or she is doinking both of them

could very well be, but will we ever know?? In my opinion from experience in my younger years, I can say that NO FINGERING will cause blood from an intact hymen. I hate to be so graphic, but we have been given these statements and if indeed Natalee was a virgin, she would not have bled from 'fingering'. I could get more graphic here and say more than fingers to produce blood, but I can't here. I only know that petting w/ a guy and 'fingering' as he has described does not produce blood. mmmmmmm...I don't know how to say this here any more clearly without getting totally graphic.

Joran June 24th:

I have to state that I wanted to have a sexual relationship with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the XXXXX  Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home.

Sound familiar?

She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask

On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.


Does any of this sound hauntingly familiar?   "we've done this 20 times before"

They had their routine alright.  It is OBVIOUS!

I have a question regarding the 'front page'. When I click on the comment section under the post = Computer Analysis of Joran Van Der Sloot, I see weird things and a diffeent format than other comment sections throughout SM front page comment section. Ummmmmm...it comes up in FULL page and a HUGE writing of:
If you liked this post, I think you’ll also like these;
and lists other sites of the case.
Anyone else see this???

SOME of the girls WERE willing participants...others were not. Dave mentioned something like that in his book, but he was much more eloquent in his wording than I  :wink:

Hi KatzHome! This truly is a great idea. To answer your question, I entered TES as the charity.  :lol:  :wink: It will not be activated as a charity until tomorrow, so tomorrow when using it just enter "TES" in the "I'm Supporting" space.  It should then start generating dollars for TES. I hope others here use it.  You and Anna were the only ones to respond. :-)

Valid question.

Reading these polis statements make me ill.  I can't believe the Sloots would let this behavior go on, on their property.  Joran acts like he is the one in control instead of the parents and they act like this is normal teen behavior.  I bet the "date rapes" or inappropriate sexual behavior went on a lot more than 20 times.  They seems to think it is also normal to have these sexual encounters with their peers practically next to them.

Does anyone find it strange that so often all the boys state they don't know the last name of the people they hang out with?  It seems to be mentioned a lot.

It is sickening that Joran wasn't at least charged with some type of sexual misconduct charge.   Natalee was "sleeping" all those times.  Yeah, right.  

Joran only mentions he was carrying her to the hotel that one time, because he may have been, but she was unconscious or already dead and he is covering himself in case someone saw him.

I think I missed where all these statements were released.  Who got a hold of them and why/how are they being made public.

Posted by MF at Freedom of Blog - this is an email received by Nelson of NY from Jossy.


"You can have any opinion you want, no one at DIARIO is denying you that. But you cannot accuse us of being Anti-Aruba, ‘cause you are completely wrong there with that flagrant lie. The only reason that I appear on TV is to say the truth about the things we know, and that truth is categorically against the three suspects, because they were in company of the woman that disappeared.

Instead of accusing those 3 foreigners of having caused so much damage to Aruba, you wanna play intelligent and try to accuse us. That is your error, your biased inclination or political motivation. You are not an Aruban by heart if you want to twist things just to match your way of thinking.

Everything we have said and published up to now is categorically the truth; all Joran’s lies, all the accusations against the three suspects, all the hiding and cover-up of statements that they made to Police are very clear to anyone that has common sense.

I would appreciate if you could satisfy us and do not buy DIARIO any more. Apparently we are causing you a lot of pain and we do not want to do that. Keep reading other BS (will translate later) that are on the market and keep looking at the world through your wooden glasses (local way of saying that you do not want to see the truth). That is your right. But do not deny ours. And keep your opinion, and respect ours that has the same value as yours.

And if you want to do something for Aruba, to stop this boycott that is causing more damage than what people think, put pressure on the government to start showing more interest in solving this case. ‘Cause otherwise Aruba’s tourism will continue to go down and we all will suffer for that."



Jossy M. Mansur

I have seen dogs do things like that before, never humans, but I am beginning to think these characters are only once removed from animals; their behavior is worse.

I'm having the same problem.  I think Tom posted that, I'll send him an email.

God bless Jossy...that was a great reply.

thanks Klaas, and ty for all you do. I know I do not ty you enough when I ask for stuff, lol. Perhaps you can rest over the weekend?? I often wonder when you sleep.  :shock:

Everything Joran says has a "reason" behind it.  Yes he is covering for himself, and alot of details he uses is for that purpose.

"  They seems to think it is also normal to have these sexual encounters with their peers practically next to them. - I agree JA - Sick huh?

Am I the only one who got the impression that Joran is bisexual based on this testimony.  It seems he does not want to have heterosexual relations with a woman, and he likes to involve other men, which psychologists will tell you is borne of a secret desire to have sex with the other men.

well....since you mentioned it...he does seem to have a problem of one on one unless it is simply 'oral'. Apparently he needs other sources of foreplay in order to actually have intercourse. Seems most of which include others in the room...kinda strange to me and I am not a prude, by any means.

In my opinion, the person he is most with in pictures lately is gay...I know, HOW CAN YOU ELL BY A PIX, well, I can usually tell, not always. To me, this person who says he is 'mf' at fob and ru in pix with joran in some pix is gay. I have NO problem with gays, I want to state that here and now. It is not a problem with me...but here, with Natalee and investigation, it seems odd. AC/DC?? Like Guido...weird, i dunno.

 :evil: You have got to be kidding me!
I am truly feeling overloaded with all these relations on Aruba,all this info.It just pisses me right off.

You know, I'm laughing at the Refugees and other sites that are complaining about my "rough" translations of the cell and computer records.   :lol:

Most of the information for both of those records was technical.  The idea was to get the documents posted.   Some of it needs no translation at all like the times and websites visited.  

If they don't like my rough translations they can translate themselves  :lol:

I have wondered....also, it seems that his idea of a 'moral standard' is whether or not a condom is used.   :?  :roll:

I agree Klaas...they are scrambling for answers now and I am LMAO at all of them. I know many do not ever go there to read, but I do. UNREAL!! I hear ya! Geeeeeeeeeeezeeeeeee. Some peeps just don't  get it, period.

 :lol:

Does Joran always seem to not have a condom on him for himself, but happens to have one for Freddy or whomever needs one, when he's not involved directly with a girl?  I'll have to go back to the statements later, after work.   :shock:  :?

I am sure you're gonna lose alot of sleep over this one! :lol:  :lol:

Good Afternoon Monks one and all!  I have been reading the statments....damn I can't see why these 4 males are not in jail....haven't been prosecuted?   Reading some of it makes my stomach churn over and over.  Other parts make me stop and slap my head.

Go Jossy!  Thank GOD there is oneperson on Aruba who wants justice!!

Klaas --

Face it!

They're just not worthy :D

What's funny to me -- is that they think if a couple of words are not exact that it changes the overall TRUTH about the lieing and deceptions that we now see in the documents.

The truth! They can't HANDLE the truth!  :D

hahahaha...you tell 'um Klaas.  Why don't they get some of their 'aruban and dutch experts' to translate them.....where is that puke gif when ya need it!!

most of them are stupid  :lol:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

ok.....I am going to go graphic here and say......WHO of any women you know in your life perform ORAL sex on ANYONE with a condom on. Have any of you peeps here done that? I have never done that w/ a rubber....what's the point. LOL! OK...and further to state I am 50 yrs. old and have never in my life had sex with a condom. EVER. I also must state I have never had a social disease in my life and I have been sexually active since the age of 15. All this detail is so weird to me.....in the statements. I used to be a teen and had MANY 'fingering' experiences before I had actual sex and NONE of those broke my 'hymen' for blood. I do not know what I am trying to say here......only that his buttwiping fingering obsession with 'girls' is useless info. Perhaps he perceives his 'fingering' as actual penatration w/ penis. GOD.....I KNOW I am not suppose to say that here, but so much has been PUT OUT THERE! What can I say and what cannot I say...???? I have a little more to say about virgin, lol.

Deepak:

To your question as to what else Joran's father had told us, I can state the following. I cannot remember that at this moment in time.

He can remember how many times he pees, what time he pees and where, but can't remember what Paulus told them???  How CONVENIENT!

Tyler I believe that mattress came from his apartment.  In one of Joran's statements Deepak says they went into Joran's apartment and sat on the floor because his bed was on the floor.  In another statement it says that Joran has a sofa bed.  Which one is it.

They are even making fun of the fact that it says Joran "of the ditch".  Actually, I left it that way for fun..ha ha  :lol:

IMO Deepak knows all. Come on Baby....tell us, you can collect money for it and take your family to parts unknown to live a happy life. BRING IT ON BABY!! Let's hear it from Deepak.

I am sorry but this just got me giggling like crazy!! Thanks for a much needed laugh today.  

I think that joran has a teeny weenie and that's why he talks about 'finxxxxxx" all the time and oral sex.....cause he probably can't perform due to his teeny weenie.... so oral sex is his outlet....and that would fall right into line with him being bisexual.  

Klaas - maybe you should translate it properly... I believe that would be Joran "of the Witch"!   :wink:

You go Klaas!!  they have no idea of what humor is...so they wouldn't 'get it' :wink:

I guess they don't like how rough you are on them :lol:

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What is really says is Joran "is someones bitch".

Lets see:  Satish:  I have no statement to make
Deepak:  I don't remember
Joran:  I'll have to ask daddy - but he won't remember!

Looks like Jossy has an editorial today regarding the case.  Hopefully Sandy Leiva or Whytegirl will stop in and take a stab at translating:
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/editorial/

E Caso di Natalee y pueblo Arubiano

   Mi a yega di bisa den hopi ocasion cu na Aruba, Pueblo hopi biaha no ta ser tuma debidamente na cuenta door di autoridad nan, y cosnan cu ta mishi cune directamente, cu su bienestar, e solidez di su economia, su bon nomber como Pueblo hospitalario, ta ser pusha den un skina y dera di tal forma cu e no ta haya sa di dje. E no ta ser haci pa su defensa, sino pa cumpli cu reglanan cu no ta sirbie pasobra nan ta mantene ignorante di loke ta pasando.

   Na DIARIO basta aña pasa nos a tuma e decision di no sconde nada pa Pueblo, di no warda nan den cashi pa despues bente den e pos di olvido. Tur loke nos haya sa nos ta pasa directamente pa Pueblo, pa e ta na altura di loke ta pasa riba su isla.  E caso di Natalee no ta un excepcion, sino e confirmacion cu nos no ta bay tene nada den secreto, y loke cay den nos mannan, nos ta pasa di biaha pa Pueblo, pa e tambe tin e ultimo noticianan pa e por huzga loke a pasa den e caso.

   Ayera nos a publica e transcripcion di e un combersacion cu polis a graba den un auto di polis cu tabata treciendo e tres sospechosonan (Joran, Deepak y Satish) di KIA pa Corte di Husticia, tanto na Hulandes como na Papiamento. E ta un documento hopi revelador di e caracter di e tres sospechosonan, nan manera di papia, nan formulacion di frasenan y nan violencia.

   For di e transcripcion ey nos a haya sa for di boca di Joran cu su tata ta esun cu a pone abogado pa e Kalpoenan; cu Deepak nos a tende cu e ta adverti Joran cu si nan haya e mucha muher cadaver of cualke resto di dje, Joran lo bay cera 15 aña; cu Joran nos a scucha e menaza cu si rumannan Kalpoe papia cu Polis e lo conta nan cu Satish a dal un mucha muher cu auto; en fin, acusacion y contra-acusacion, pero tur basa riba un conocimento categorico cu tur tres tin di loke a pasa cu Natalee. Di esey no tin duda. E ta sali claramente pa dilahti den e transcripcion di e grabacion riba audio-tape.

   E abogado di Joran ta blo ta bati boca na Merca comosifuera e ta un gran Mesias cu sa tur cos; un di su coleganan a acusami di a "leak" e documento, siendo cu ta te antayera nos a haye den nos postbus, despues cu tur e canalnan Americano tabata tine caba y tabata te hasta pasando pida pida di dje; Tacopina ta pinta Joran manera un angel cu halanan di pureza; cu e ta un bon studiante; cu e tin un beca; enfin, cu tur loke e falta pa bula yega cielo ta halanan di sneu. Sin embargo evidencianan recopila pa DIARIO ta pinta un Joran completamente diferente; un hoben

violento; abusador cu muchanan mas chikito na su school (y na su cas!); un hoben sin control cu a mete cu placa di otronan indebidamente; un hoben sin educacion den su forma di papia; un instinto criminal cu el a exhibi den e transcripcion otra cu den momentonan di rabia e kier kibra smul y te hasta a bay asina leu di menaza di mata e dos rumannan Kalpoe; enfin, un potret

completamente diferente di esun di Tacopina.

   Cu ami a revela e nomber di Geoffrey? Si, pasobra esey no ta nada particular. Ningun   momento y ningun caminda a acusa e mucha di a comete cualke infraccion contra Ley; loke nos re-porteronan a haci ta busca su identidad pa nos sa ta di kende nos ta papiando. Hopi hende a puntrami kico mi opinion ta di dje, si e porta meti den e caso. Mi contesta tabata negativo, pasobra mi no ta kere cu e ta meti directamente den e desaparicion di Natalee. Loke si mi ta kere ta cu e por a conta polis o fiscal cu el a mira tal y tal cos, of a scucha tal y tal cos, of tin un video saca e dianan di e desaparicion di Natalee cu por tin imagennan revelador riba dje. Esey mi ta kere ta posible, pero no cu e ta un participante den e desaparicion mes. Mi por ta completamente

ekiboca, pero esey ta loke mi ta pensa.

  Ami no ta kita mi wowonan for di e tres sospechosonan, Joran, Deepak y Satish, pasobra nan a demostra den e grabacion cu nan ta completamente al tanto di loke a pasa e mucha muher.

Ademas, un ta acusa otro (entre Joran y e rumannan Kalpoe) di un castigo di 15 aña (Deepak contra Joran) si haya e mucha muher, y e trapamento di un mucha muher cu auto (Joran contra

Satish)..

    Nos tarea como medio di comunicacion ta pa keda al tanto di tur e desaroyonan entorno di e caso y pasa cualke informacion cu nos haya pa Pueblo, pasobra den nos criterio, e tin derecho

ariba tur informacion di loke ta pasa riba su isla. Cu polls of fiscal no kier siek ningun informacion ta nan bon derecho, pero esey no ta conta pa DiARIO!

Very cool Sunny - take lots of pictures!

Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone.  Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?:?? am:  Deepak sends message to Joran.  Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)  

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.  Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.  Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.  Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak.  Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs".  Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office.  The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

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What is the 5:50 record with Anita about, she was not home

I am not sure to whom Joran was referring as "dogs" for I do not believe the Kelpoes have dogs and roosters both.  First we have heard of canines in that household.

And whatever Joran meant by it, it is apparent that Uncle Jan approves of this term as well for he gave no clarification and seemed just AOK with it therefore I conclude that if Joran refers to women/girls as dogs, so does Uncle Jan.  Perhaps it was even Uncle Jan who used the term since he is dictating the "report" or whatever you would call his attempt at protecting his best friend's son.

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Joran may be a tad obsessed with oral sex, in my opinion...but we still seek answers in the case of Natalee. There is a lot to swallow here as we move forward. I am enjoying all I read on bfn and sm in the case. Bring it on.....let's see more.

Good question, do they all share accounts?  Makes you wonder if Valentijn signed on at all.

Yes, and give our regards.

I know that it is going to be unpopular opinion around here but I think most teens this age are experimenting with sex - remember the bases? (1st Base)

Nonetheless - they make me ill!  Just the glib way that they answer the questions?

It's the calousness that gets to me.

 :cry:

I am a little disappointed NOMAD's great post to raise money just by searching didn't get a more positive response.

MONKEYS!!  PLEASE USE THAT SEARCH ENGINE TO RAISE MONEY FOR TES!!  


And Sunny may can even let them know to expect it if Nomad did't already tell them she put them as her charity

Jaime's Statement:

 I at least did not call Joran because I had no money/minutes left on my pre-paid phone so I couldn't call him.

Deepak:

 I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come.

There are other references to Deepak having no more minutes.  WHY is this such an important thing to keep on emphasizing?

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The bolded statement is an absolute lie...when I pre-paid cell phone is out of minutes the only call it will place is an emergency call like 911

Joran obsessed with oral sex b/c he has no interest or inclination to satisfy his partner. It's only about his gratification...He's a self-centered, pschopathic, habitual liar with a narcissitic grandeur regarding his intellect. Swallow that, Jackass, errrr, I mean Joran... :x  :x  :x

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I thought the Dutch, only under pressure from International NGO's, raised the age of consent to 16?  Is this not correct?  Many of these PIMPS are not minors and even should these very young girls be consenting if you can call somebody stoned out of their gord consenting, should still be illegal.

If a seven years old gives consent, does that make it OK?  Willing is not a factor in much of this activity by such people as Freddie, Jamie, Deepak and all the older ones IF in fact there is participation in these druggings and rapings.

In any event, a person too incapicitated to give consent is just that and even if they say yes, it does not count for they may change their mind when they sober up and this is how laws are written and for a very good reason.

If you search "gang rapes" and under Johns Hopkins there is interesting information that it is often a homosexual urge to have sex with other males and this is the closest thing they can get to it and still deny their homosexuality and stop short of a sexual encounter with a male.

In any event, it is not the behavior of real well-adjusted males who are secure in their own masculinity and is more an expression of suppressed hatred of women, etc.

Just my thoughts on the matter but you can find all kinds of information on this kind of behavior as it is sadly becoming more common.

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My vote for post of the day!

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I guess they will have a blast with my analysis of the cell phone data....

O/T  O/T   O/T   O/T

I know this belongs on the Political Thread and will put it there this evening but I just wanted to give a heads up on this breaking news. . .
And I have to leave right now for appointment.
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I just heard a bit ago on Fox news that Israel's plan to get their troops north to a certain river in Lebanon was to airlift them by helicopter to get them in behind the Hezbollah.   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

This was announced BEFORE any resolution has been signed and there is absolutely no assurance of the Hezbollah leaders accepting anything.

What are they thinking!!!!  Nothing like giving away the plans just in case they are needed later.  The entire coverage of this is skewed to make Israel look like the school yard bully that it is making me ill.

Between this and the airline hijackers and these thugs that have become National Folk Heros in Aruba, I am just beside myself.

This appointment will be good to get my mind off all this for a bit.

Be back when I can later. . . . . .

And thank you for answering my question!  I'll be sure to spread the word about this...

Klaas - I speak enough spanish to get general gist within some Papamiento articles... I read this and to me it looks identical to the one we just read the other day where Jossy talks about why he published the conversation inthe polis car and Joe Tacopinos' false claims of innocence on the US  media etc... nothing new that I spotted. fyi

I can truthfully say I've never seen a more appropriate surname...."of the ditch" suits them all to a T....That was one reason I wondered early on if Paulus was Dirty Hand...and Joran was dirty hand.

Atl:  If you are still here:  In one of Deepak's statements, he said that his home phone couldn't recieve calls from cell phones?  Have you ever heard of this???

Bitch of the Ditch. :D

Yup ~ well said, Jossy ~ And you know what, Monkeys ~ I'm going to write Jossy a note at the Dario to thank him for that letter....

Anna -- I've already bookmarked it and will start using it tomorrow when TES becomes a valid entry.

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One last post before I go--Time to Embarrass Klaas!!
 :D  :D  :D

And she and I both know we do not always agree on everything but I love her for what she does for this cause so much!

With the exception of something like Metro's question and stuff pertaining to the statements, I am trying very hard not to bother her with anything and know all the other monkeys are as well for there may be more statements forthcoming.


I don't know what all is involved in getting them to the front page but converting to jpg seems to be part of it and I would imagine alignment, etc. is required and she has been typing her fingers "to the bone" as we used to hear without one single complaint.  Not many would do that and she NEVER even asks for credit for anything.

Some have thought she actually got paid money for this it is so hard but she doesn't as it is a work of love from her big heart.  She will get no complaints from me.  Anyone who has any can just try to do what she does for a week or two and see how it goes as far as I am concerned.  I do wish she had a couple of back up mods, however.  

Klaas, we love you, Babe!  

Anna

Off to appointment. . . .

Computer Records

Tone is off. These supposed messages between Joran and Deepak are odd. Lovey-dovey he-hes and glad you are home content match up with nothing else that we know about the personalities of these two suspects.

Consider what immediatley preceeded these messages...the 7 minute phone call. In which Deepak rails against a heavily breathing Joran for leaving the girl at the beach. A call which Deepak says is rife with interference, thus prompting the follow up communication to assure all is well.

But the follow up is sparse, no interest shown in the hows and whys. No mention of the girl left on the beach, or his ride from Satish. I hope we get to see Joran's cell records from that night...or Val's.

Also, what does "topa/loca pimp hee he he" mean...looks like "loca" is referring to a femine gender of loco (crazy)....some crazy girl?  What does "topa" mean and why is he so amused ??

Didn't Deepak say that Joran's mattresses were on the floor ??  I thought that was a deliberate lie for some self-serving reason.

Anna - thanks, it's been crazy the last couple days that's for sure.  Yes, to make them more "visible" on the front page I'm putting them into .jpg.  I'm also adding the "watermark" to each so there are several steps involved.  Then, I add the same information in the forum, but not in .jpg so that we can copy and paste and dissect the statement better.  Thankfully, I'm caught up at the moment.  :wink:   That is a good thing because I really have a ton of REAL work to do before Monday.

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Sure..it's called "call barring" and can work in either direction

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Before we sign TES up for anything, we should probably run it by them... I don't know how this works... but I will make sure that Red will talk to TIM about it...

ONO - In the Pap translator, the word TOPA translates to "come accross"

'Night Monkeys ~ I'm going in for a nap before work tonight ~ see ya'll later ~ or tomorrow or something...

I second Anna's post to Klaasend..... it has been an amazing amount of work....

Yes, very, very odd and un-natural...all staged..

Thanks !!

besides what guys call each other and say I am home.... it's never sat right with me...

Sunny - Hi MTWS if you are here.

Keep the faith monkeys!

After reading these statements, I can surely see why the wording of the civil suit was as it was.  Paulus (and Anita) have set the stage at home for all of this rampant degeneracy, contributed to the delinqency of a minor, and laid the groundwork for the crimes against these girls.  It's really rank.

Exactly. Completely way off. Unless it is code for something...Also, there is no way to know who is using whose e-mail accounts on any given  computer...

Well I am out of here gotta do a report first maybe I will see ya later!

To be clear, I said topa/loca because I can't read what it says.  Maybe it says loco pimp? Someone with better eyesight than me needs to try

DOSSIER ON PLAYERS

I would like to put together whatever information we have, player by player.  I started with Jaime’s statement.  Would this be of any help to us?  I have many miscellaneous notes on people but not with specific documentation as to where the info came from.  I only intended originally for this to be for my reference so would that be a problem?  What I am thinking of would go something like this:

ANDRE ___________:   Joran’s friend
            Lives in Palm Beach
            Attends Mon Plaisier College
            Goes to _________ casino with JVDS

ARTHUR _________:   Andre’s younger brother

GUIDO WEVER:      Croupier at ____________ casino
            Joran’s friend
            Plays tennis with Joran at Racquet Club
            Speaks “funny” – is gay

STEPHANIE _______:   Joran’s “girlfriend”
            Colombian
            Lives in Moko


Okay, that’s the general idea.  If we started a separate sticky, perhaps we could find a way that each of us could edit the “template” after the thread is started.  If this has been done before, please let me know where I can access it.

Thank you all for all you do.

You and I think alike Sunny!!!!

its all BOGUS

This just posted at BFN by Rammstein.  Very interesting timing... You don't suppose the Dutch are getting nervous?  Geez, what was wrong with the old ones?  Do we know if these guys are buds with Paulus too?


3 new judges appointed to Aruba

Mr. M.J.C. Koens
mr. J.T.G. Roovers
mr. J. Recourt

all are going to have Aruba as new workplace

mr. P.E. de Kort

is going to work from Curacoa

the appointments will go into effect on August 1st 2006


mr. Koens was until recently vice-president of the Court of Den Bosch
mr. Roovers was until recently a judge in Arnhem
mr. Recourt was until recently a judge in Amsterdam

mr. de Kort was until recently judge in Maastrich

I have just been able to sign on for a while and I am frantically trying to get caught up, reading statements, FP, and discussions. There are a couple of things before I forget:

Could we have a separate thread that does not go into archive for:

Timelines (thank you Shizaru and SunFreak and anybody else my feeble mind can't remember at the moment)

Info on Players, shown by Player

Former interviews (transcripts from TV or radio)


What I am thinking is of, is how helpful it is to have at the back of a deposition transcript the word index, with each page that particular reference appears.  When you are trying to find specific information, this type of reference is invaluable.  I know we had so much compiled here before the crash, but it's not available now and I am trying to devise some type of indexed information.  Any ideas that are better than mine, please contribute it.

standing by to STAND BY  8)

Yes, I'll search Shizaru and Sunfreaks post and create a sticky thread.  By the way, the only threads that go to the archive are the LCD threads and you can still view them there.

NOW - GET READY FOR BLOWN MARGINS

Oh Goody, somethin good's coming!  :D

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Looks like Topa Pimp ha ha ha

Which would be something like "come accross" pimp?  Or would it be like where are you pimp?


This is how I read those records. First off they are speaking Dutch, Pap and English.

1. 3:25.04 Deepak to Joran = Are you there (ben je der = dutch)
2. 3:25 04 Deepak to Joran = ?
3. 3:35.38 Deepak to Joran = Anyways fine, if you are home I'll speak to you tomorrow (anyways fijn de horen etc)
4. 3:25.42 Deepak to Joran = Take care
5. 3:33.08 Joran to Deepak = Hey pal (Hey swa - swa is pap for pal)
6. 3:35.32 Joran to Deepak = Come accross pimp hee he he (Topa pimp)

Don't tell me that first text says "Papa Pimp he he he" !!!

Or am I "seeing" things?

Oh good because that's what I thought.

I agree.  Driving around for a little while, Natalee falling asleep and waking up, Joran not having a condom, and in his Primetime interiew, he said they were driving around and he was trying to figure out where he could take her.   From this, it looks unplanned.  Yet, he tells us his reason for going out and giving Natalee a ride was to pick up a tourist and have sex   I don't believe he didn't have a condom or that he was trying to think of where he could take her.  He said they've done this 20 times before; a practiced routine.  He keeps condoms handy and he knows where to take a girl for sex.  Natalee's friends say she seemed ok, but even Joran and Joe aren't denying the falling asleep and waking up, so the drug kicked in while driving to the lighthouse or driving around.  Why were they parked behind C&Cs?  If there was no other parking, why was no one else parked there?  Unless everyone but J2K was a tourist and took a cab, slipping out the back way sounds planned.  (Deepak may be fussy about his car and want to park it away from traffic, but parking in a deserted back lot would leave the car more vulnerable to theft or vandalism.)  Take her out the back, opposite direction of her friends and cabs.  If his intention was to have sex with her, why take her to a beach where he says there were a lot of people?  She said no or he had no condom, why not drop her off at the hotel and be done with it?  Planned.  Drugged.  No beach.  What I can't figure out is when Greta asked him if they went through the Marriott, he said, no SHE didn't go through the Marriott.  Sounds like a significant slip of the tongue, but I can't fit it in.

So did I and actually made it my page to search from Mozilla, but sounds like it will not be active until tomorrow.

Re Search Engine:

Have saved.  Will start tomorrow.  Cheers to all of us who remember to use it.  God Bless TES.

This is how I read those records.  First off they are speaking Dutch, Pap and English.

1.  3:25.04  Deepak to Joran = Are you there (ben je der = dutch)
2.  3:25 04  Deepak to Joran = ?
3.  3:35.38  Deepak to Joran = Anyways fine, if you are home I'll speak to you tomorrow (anyways fijn de horen etc)
4.  3:25.42  Deepak to Joran = Take care
5.  3:33.08  Joran to Deepak = Hey pal (Hey swa - swa is pap for pal)
6.  3:35.32  Joran to Deepak = Come accross pimp hee he he (Topa pimp)

What guy tells another guy to take care.  I don't even tell me friends that on IM.  Usually I say see you tomorrow, talk to you later or goodnight.  But Take Care?

Good point San - I'm just glad that part was in English  :wink:

I think it would be exceedingly helpful and may reveal something valuable. Thanks.

I just created another Announcement for the Timelines gathered from the documents recently released.  It's not locked so feel free to add your 2 cents.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=201

FYI - All of the Statements and Records are set up as Announcements so they will stay together.  I know it makes it harder to find the LCD thread but for now it's the only way I can think of.

I hear ya.....I will admit I had real sex at 15...2 weeks before my 16th b-day w/ a kid in my class that I called my boyfriend. We had known each other since 3rd grade. This was 35 years ago. None of this sex stuff shocks me. By the way....I was one of the most sheltered kids on my block, not to mention, my town. I did everything I could to lie, cheat and steal to get out of the house for some freedom. HOWEVER.....I think kids today have more freedom than I ever could have imagined and STILL w/ Natalee in mind, whether or not she was a virgin is NOT a real issue. SHE WAS violated, period. We all see that, and know in our minds and heart what happened. Sometimes I close my eyes and just hope she was not 'with it' enough to know what happened to her. I cannot imagine the horror. It makes me ill thinking of it.

excellent point!!

HI Monkeys!  Klaas you blew the margins , but all this info is blowing my mind...LOL.   Anna, what about the search engine?

Hey Monkeys.

I have not posted on the LCD threads for a couple of days because you all have done such a good job without me. LOL

All these statements are a lot to digest. It is so exciting to read all these. I hope we are going to get to read Lorenzos statement as well. I can't remember the date we heard of him being questioned and his place searched.  

I do remember the name Max Arends coming up before. Then in my memory I thought I remembered Max as being the one who supplied an alibi for Lorenzo. Does anyone else remember this?

BRILLIANT!  TY

I think the condom thing is a biggie down there.

With all the choller/choller houses/crackheads and such, folks from everywhere showing up on the island, I'll bet AIDS is a major problem down there that we haven't heard much about.

Bet the AIDS thing is very much on the mind of everyone on the island.

Dang it, my printer is out of ink, now I will be behinf forever!!!
My dearest sweetest bestest Klaas do you still have my special monkey avatar?

Klaas, can we post the list of people again if I send it to you? I have it broken down into 3 parts:
1) Victim, suspects, family
2) Arubans
3) Americans

And I hope every damn one of them that had anything to do with this gets AIDS!!!!!

Here you are.  There's only way for them to work now so follow the instructions below:

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COPY the link below and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your PROFILE for AVATARS:


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/juju-1.gif

Hi LilPuma! And welcome!! :wink:  :D

I was thinking more along the line of finding some young ladies who have AIDs and buying them some vacations in aruba.

I'm not prepared to do those threads all over again, that took a long time to add the photos.  I need to find out from Tom what is up with the old records from the last forum.  If they can't be retrieved then I'll consider it but right now, too much going on.

If you want, you can create new threads in the forum for each and I'll sticky them.  That way if I get a chance I'll add the photos.

Klaas or anyone, can you give a link to the search engine that is supposed to benefit TES? Or even the page I might find that info.

Thanks

Critical Kalpoe Lie at Critical Time: Or Signal?

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atlmetroguy writes: "The bolded statement is an absolute lie...when I pre-paid cell phone is out of minutes the only call it will place is an emergency call like 911"

referring to this from deepak 6/11 statement:  I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come.
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Let's put this in context:

from deepak 6/11 statement:

I didn't hear the conversation, because at that moment a friend of mine came over to talk to me. I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them stand. I then searched for them in the club but without result. Then I went to look near the bathrooms. I also didn't find them there, I then used the bathroom myself. . After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come.

From Satish 6/11 statement:

We, Joran, the girl and myself, had walked over to another bar where we had earlier bought the Yard's. I had not seen my brother anymore. I saw that Joran and the girl were about to drink a shot. At that point I received a "missed call". I did not hear the phone but felt that I was being called, this was because I had set my mobile phone to vibrate. I saw that my brother had called me. I know that my brother didn't have any more credit on his mobile phone and had called him back. My brother answered his phone and asked where we were. I told him that we were still inside Carlos & Charlies. He had told me that he was already at his car. I told him that we would come to where he was. I said to Joran that my brother was already at the car and if we were leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close. Joran said that it was OK that we would be leaving and that the girl would be coming with us.

I think deepak is referring to an immediate discontinue, he hangs up on call as soon as connection is made, and this produces a "missed call" signal for satish.  Deepak is saying that he almost no minutes left...

More importantly, though, imo this is the signal.  deepak has done whatever he needs to do and is in position.  NOTE: both use this phone exchange to be UNAWARE of what is transpiring at bar where jvds buys Natalee a "shot."  satish is telling deepak that shot has been given and to be ready -- perhaps w/ deepak signalling others nearby.

 Hey there!  I've posted a few times here, ran into Smish here a few days ago.  I meant to tell you that The Danbury Mint has a Yorkie Christmas tree for sale - lites and Yorkies decorating the tree - I thought of you.  Anyway, I've been reading the statements - very interesting, especially the search for drug and alchohol interaction.  Guess they didn't know that was a bad thing?   :(  :x  :roll:

THANK YOU KLAASY!!!!
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Interesting as always Hammer.  

Did you see that new judges are being sent to Aruba?  I posted it a short while ago.  It came from BFN.  Interesting timing.  Gotta bring in the clean up crew?

Reminder for tonight:

Friday 8/11/06 - Nancy Grace CNN Headline News:
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ALSO

Dana Pretzer C-Band Talk Radio Friday 0811/06

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Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch will be Dana's Guest.

Time:  9:00 pm EST

http://st106.startlogic.com/~cbandtal/

Call in number:  306-842-7884

Well, I know this is not going to be a very nice thing to say, but as far as boys this age experimenting with sex, I know that my sons never did this kind of thing and I know my husband did not.  I am sure none were virgins when they married but if my sons had done this, the word would have gotten out and their reputations would not have been what they were.  No, never happened with my sons and never happened with my husband.  If men/boys are raised to respect women, they do not do these kinds of things.  Boys who brag about sex probably have something they are hiding, such as Sunny, Anna and I aluded to, impotence or desire for homosexual relationships.

The above is an absolutely brilliant critique and analysis.  I agree it is a signal.  And this kind of analysis is what we need in comparing all the statements, item by item, to get at the truth.

Please forgive my bad manners this afternoon.  A tardy hello to all of you, my friends.  My mind is just whirring a million miles a minute.

OMG


www.ArubaProducts.com


 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

DOSSIER ON PLAYERS

I
ANDRE ___________:   Joran’s friend
            Lives in Palm Beach
            Attends Mon Plaisier College
            Goes to _________ casino with JVDS

ARTHUR _________:   Andre’s younger brother

GUIDO WEVER:      Croupier at ____________ casino
            Joran’s friend
            Plays tennis with Joran at Racquet Club
            Speaks “funny” – is gay

STEPHANIE _______:   Joran’s “girlfriend”
            Colombian
            Lives in Moko

MAX ARENDS:      Joran’s friend
            Attends ISA with Joran

“BETO” JAIME ALBERTO CARRASQUILLA CACERES:
            Works at Caribbean Overseas
            Has known Joran since August 2004
            “Car famous because lots of things experienced in it”
            Car is a green Honda Civic, a 1997 or 1998 model


“FEFI” FREDDY ZEDAN:   Friend of Joran, one of the Pimps

“CUL” KOEN GOTTENBOS:   

“NEPI” SANDER GOTTENBOS:

MIGUEL ANGLE CARASQUILIA CACERES: Jaime Caceres’ big brother

“PILAR” MARIA DEL PILAR CARASQUILIA CACERES: Jaime Caceres’ sister

KARINA ROMERO:   Jaime Caceres’ girlfriend

KAREN THERESA PAULINA MARTINA:   Joran admits having sex with her at
                     Carnaval 2005

“CHATO” LEONARDO:   From Mexico
            Has a green Ford 4 door Pickup

STEPHANIE BOEKHOUWER:   Had sex with Freddy in Jaime’s green Honda in 2005

STEPHANIA___________:      Joran denies sex with her DOSSIER ON PLAYERS

Great insight and post Tyler, as usual.

Yes as females we need to teach our sons to respect women and there rights.

Now I am reposting my previous post.

Hey Monkeys.

I have not posted on the LCD threads for a couple of days because you all have done such a good job without me. LOL

All these statements are a lot to digest. It is so exciting to read all these. I hope we are going to get to read Lorenzos statement as well. I can't remember the date we heard of him being questioned and his place searched.

I do remember the name Max Arends coming up before. Then in my memory I thought I remembered Max as being the one who supplied an alibi for Lorenzo. Does anyone else remember this?

OK - just having the info available is good.  We can add the pics later.  Thanks.

SunFreak, is there any way we could get our lists integrated (assuming mine might have anything on it you didn't already have, cause you're usually so far ahead of little ole slow me  :wink:

Does anyone have a link for the Equusearch search engine?

APPEALS - I just created another Announcement with the Dossier of Players.  Pretty soon we are going to have a full page of Announcements and will have to go to page 2 for the LCD thread.

I may suggest that a new forum is set up for all these statements.  You would see it where the Natalee Holloway and LCD Archive forums are listed.  What do you guys think of that?  It would mean either opening another window for easy access or going out of this forum into the other like you do the Monkey Lounge.

Is this what you need?

http://www.goodsearch.com/

Works for me.  Very Klassy.   :D

"7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly."

This was in the time line...wonder is Paulus was trying to find out if the drugs they gave her could have killed her and could be traced back to them..

Phone number for Nancy Grace if she does call-ins tonight:

1-877-626-2901

Thank you appeals. I had also asked but I think I am on ignore. LOL

Both of you are very welcome.  Hope it was what you needed.  good to see you here.

i have calculated the ODDS

that someone would be searching THAT NIGHT for DRUGS, ALCOHOL
and LAWYERS


the odds are 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000


PAULUS the SQAULUS is going BYE BYE  8)

that works for me....I open a new window for everything anyway, lol.

I mentioned it to Red yesterday and he wasn't too hot on the idea.  But I think once he sees how many Announcements are posted now he'll see the light, lol  :lol:

Brilliant as usual.

Deepak 6/13/05

I have to admit/remark that I had made up the story with the security guard. Joran had acted a bit difficult, but we decided to go to the Holiday Inn. I had locked my car. Me and Joran and his dad got into the back of the police car.

I find it strangely curious that he would add that he locked his car.

Yeah, he didn't have room in it to take all of them because of the body JMHO.  Certainly don't want anyone looking in his car while he's gone.

What time does Nancy Grace come on in the central time zone?

8pm Eastern so I imagine 6pm?

Common mistake --- make that 7 pm!  (Central Time)

7:00 p.m.  here  in S.E. Louisiana...

Joran 6/14 statement

5/30/2005

3:30 am

"Then Deepak said to me "don't f*** with that bitch" * that they will find her tomorrow on the beach."

7:15 pm

"I did not go to the fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there."
Well hell, the only reason she would still be there at 7:15 that night would be because she was dead

It's not my theory, but it is possible that Urine got rough with her on the beach, killed her and left her there as if she could have been attacked by anyone.  Somehow Pus (Paulus) found out and that's when he came into the picture.  Just throwing some ideas out there

OMG, That 70's Show is on my Tv and Free Bird is playing, gave me chills

Thanks, all.

Critical lie perhaps AND signal ? I'm in agreement with the signal opinon.

Me too Hammer, I believe you hit the nail on the head....sorry I couldn't resist :lol:

Excellent! Thanks.

Going to have to quit in a couple of minutes.  O/T

I am having a problem with Google that is driving me crazy.  My cached page feature when I search has disappeared and I need it.

Anyone know what I did (if it was me) and how I can get that feature back?  It only now links to the current day's page.

Thanks in advance.

Especially if she is in his house and he didn't even help her.  None of them helped her.

Remember Chris Coumo's question to Joran did you see Natalee in distress.  Joran's face said it all.

NG just coming on in the West.  Beth being quoted.

Why has the one shot for NH justice been swatted down?

Jim Moret analyzing dismissal of case.  NY wrong plce to file.  Inconvenient place to file.  Joran said no nexus between NY and Aruba.  Another action in Aruba.  Awarded PVDS $30,000 roughly saying he was detained and arrested without cause.  Another slap at Natalee.  Prosecution to appeal.

Playing her favorite backside shot of Paul.

Re-explaining what he just said above.

Woman asaulted by Joran would only testify in NY.

Me too...and I find it curious that he locked his car.  Must have been afraid of anyone discovering evidence.  Big detail there.

7 I think.....six minutes ago.

Do you have a link to that I would like to see it again, TIA!

NG said there is no doubt in her mind that those three know the answer.

In one of his TV interviews didn't Urine say he didn't wear a watch?

LOL...Nancy just got a little nasty with this defense attorney on her show.

Yes, that abscess on the buttocks of society said that.

Playing Current Affair clip

NG:  Trial 101, must have jurisdiction.  

Randy, defense attorney.  Still talking about whether NY was right place for case to be tried.  None of the parties were from NY.  Took place in Aruba.  Witnesses in Aruba.  What is NY's stake in this proceeding?  

NG:  Beth joining.

You get swatted down every which way, now including American court.  What did you want to gain in this suit?

Beth:  Not Natalee's last shot at justice only.  Millions of Americans travel and this is what you might face when in a foreign country.  Jurisdictional, extradition issues.  We were trying to see what could be done for US citizens when crime in foreign country.

NG:  I feel so defeated for you.  Answers lie in those 3.  I know they have the answer.

Beth:  Original 3 suspects.  On right track to pursue that.  doing the best we can in trying to get that info in all those documents.  Hardest time just getting handle on investigation.

NG:  These guys know what happened, why?

Beth:  Everyone knows they were the last to see here.  Numerous lies.  There was a reason Paulus was arrested.  It was not unwarranted.  We have faced jurisdiction issue since may 2005.

NG:  I remember you saying Joran could describe underwear and body of Natalee.  

Beth:  He gave that information the first day he was arrested.

NG:  Last one seen with girl, he could tell authorities what her underwear looked liike.  So I am to believe they had consensual sex then someone came along and murdered her?

some Miami dame defending Joran.  

NG:  Answers go around and around.

Beth:  Facts speak volumes.  We don't have to defend them.  All the admissions, repeated lies, constant new versions of coverup.  

NG:  How do you stay so calm?

Dog's blood on matress, duct tape, and other evidence comes up on display.

Beth:  It's too late for Natalee but not too late for other Americans.  We need recourse.  This is bigger than just Natalee now.

Break (and I got to leave now)

Thanks Appeals!

Thanks Appeals..

Then what does he base his time line for the night on?

Beth said Paulus and Antonio Carlo were running the show.

Beth: Everyone knows they were the last to see here. Numerous lies. There was a reason Paulus was arrested. It was not unwarranted. We have faced jurisdiction issue since may 2005.

I can't wait until we get the goods on him, Beth has to know something

My favorite part so far was when Nancy said the reason they keep showing Paulus' BEEHIND running to his car because he was involved in helping the boys and she knows it.  

They've shown it at least 3 times already. ha

If she got to read his statement then no doubt she knows alot.

Nancy Grace:
8/11/06

Lie after lie....

Yes, joran how could an american girl just disappear, and you admit you can describe her underwear, and her body, so i am suppose to believe you had sex with her on the beach and someone else came along and killed her..

Joran is up to his old antics/
Jim:  He is saying that she approached him, it is sickening and what is worse is when he went to holland alot of people thought he would never reutrn to aruba.

A woman saw joran had his arm around a young blonde woman, and it indeed was joran...he went right back to the very scene, flaunting his arrogance, we believe she is american, but we are not sure....he seemed like he was not phased at all...

Joran 6/14 Statement

During the interview I called Deepak on his mobile. I had asked him what clothes Natalee had been wearing that night. He told me that Natalee was wearing a blue skirt and a blue top

But he knew what her underwear looked like?

BTW my show starts now, im taking calls till the top of the hour then tim miller. maybe a head monkey after that

Dana
www.cbandtalk.net

NG said he and his family act like nothing ever happened.

This woman Bethany said the VDS' feel persecuted and they don't care about Natalee.

Well, he has eyes in his fingers, nowhere else.  You know anybody who was innocent would not have started in telling her parents about anything sexual with her.  HE does not even start out like an innocent.  He starts out like urban ghetto trash, which he appears to be.

I want to add that she said all serial criminals share that feeling of persecution while blaming the victim.

Nancy Grace said I would take a Gray Hound bus to Macon, GA before I take a first class tick to Aruba. :lol:

Southern Belle. :wink:  She she has a lady's heart and don't take no chit.

NG:

8-11-06


Showing CURRENT clip...

Nancy:  Right ok, prime suspect jvds trying to exlpain the night. her family has been swatted down again by an american court.

bethany:  Three things come to mind, what it's like for you to work in court..system....they don't have a conscience.   it's like swiss cheese that is full of holes...he has a very haughty condenscending attitude, like it was her fault.   3rd thing he feels like this family thinks they have been persecuted when natalee is the victime.

NG: he and his family act like nothing happened.   they did not try to help find her, what are they trying to hide.   what a crock of bs.

b:  they feel persecuted by natalee and her family. this family is so strong, they really don't care about natalee or the holloways.

Dave: you know sometimes i wonder if some of this is driven by the tourism....the appeal, i sometimes wonder if that is to counteract the people not wanting to go to aruba.

Nancy: i would take a greyhound bus to macon ga before i went to aruba.

now he is romancing another young blonde....

Dave:  i look at that and I think he has some gauruntees that he will not come back.  he does not have to talk to the police again. i always go back to the first police statemejnt.   i keep going back to that because then they arrested the security gaurds.

they had so much opportunity to get rid of the evidence....

and deepak even said he would have to stay in jail for 116 days and if there was no body found they would be ok.

Beth: alll they found was cleaning fluid in that car,,,they had time to sanitize that car like crazy Nancy.

Beth said the only thing they found in Deepak car was cleaning fluid.  She said they sanitized the car like crazy.

VDSloots, pustules on the northside of "southbound Aruba, sinking lower into the pits of hell.

The clothes were a pretext, he was calling to warn Deepak polis might be coming to interview him

I'm a new fan of Nancy Grace.

sorry, I'm +++++++

LOL, no you are not.  It's the ALE who are +++++++ or are covering up.  Take your pick.

I noticed in one of the statements that Joran refused to answer anymore questions until he talked to Pervert Paul's attorneys.

Dana is on now and will take calls be4 Tim Miller comes on.

Lol.....klaas and I post at same time, lol...she has graphics!! LOL!

Just glad I can listen for a while instead of read.....I feel like my eyes are falling out from reading so much lately, lol. :shock:

They still are in my opinion.

Sam -- I reading back, so I don't know if this has been discussed --

I remember a lot of confusion (imagine that) between a Max Arends and a Max Arendz.

One went to school with Joran -- the other supposedly was a race car driver.

One was supposedly the alibi for the phoenix Lorenzo (who I'm sure will rise out of the ashes eventually and materialize).

Having said all this....this was all before I realized there was an intentional effort to deceive by spreading bad information as fact :?

I may miss Dana - I've had about 5 interruptions just now right when I'm trying to fix dinner.  I hate door to door solicitors!!

I never answer the door :lol:

Max Arends and Maximillo - we were told were two different people -- but according to these statements, not true.  Bibi Arends son.  There is another person who is Max Arenz, I think.  Maybe that's Freddy's sister. :)

I have a welcome mat that says 'GO AWAY' with the Tazmanian Devil
on it and a NO SOLICITOR's plaque above my doorbell. People suck, lol.

I'm having problems getting Dana's show to broadcast for me tonight.  :(

It's illegal in our neighborhood, so I call the cops to them. :wink:

That has been the 'victim drumbeat' themesong from the start and that which we still hear from the Joran sycophants.

Link ?

It looks like the whole island has been given a BJ by Joran.

I wet my pants.......... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Copy and paste this into your web browser:
mms://streams.oncomputers.info/ctalk

Mine says:  "If you ever want to see these people again... put a 5 lb. roast in a brown bag and leave it at the door... Signed, The Dogs"

When my mom passed away we were the caretaker for her older sister who was mentally +++++++ and had the mind of about a 10 year old.  One day I came in my living room and she was at the door talking to a Joahova Witness  :shock:

We have an 8 ft fence around the property and no door bell on the ouside of it :D  And I LOVE caller ID :D

I LOVE Nancy Grace and always have....she has a lot of old-fashioned courage and is nobody's fool.  We need to send her all the statements,etc. which we have, as she will quickly see what we do see...maybe the family is sharing with her also?  Nancy and Jim Moret are the only ones I can see right now on cable tv who still persist and have the guts to call a spade a spade in their quest for truth.  That guy who took the plunge and persued and interviewed Joran in Holland, also deserves honorable mention.  Joran will tell the truth at some point in time.....Give me a break!!!!!!

Natalee is findable, in that water. per Tim

If we can find one bone, that family can find closure. per Tim

Good evening monkeys all!  I am having trouble getting Dana to play on my computer.  would someone please, San, help with a teeny tiny transcript?  :)  Thanks.

That's why I wish all of the original threads were available.

It's a fun game -- 'who started the lie'?

Or to quote the incredible and delightful Granny Toad -- "bloomers" (blog rumors)

I'm listening now. Finally got it to work. Thank's much!   :D


Now if I can get in on the phone line. It's steadily busy. LOL

Talking about donations, and prayers needed.

You still get those?! In this day and age?! I never answer the door to anyone that I do not know. Solicitors hate me.  :twisted:

LOL! Have I ever told you how much I love ya, Tyler?  :D

New Judges?

Frijole wrote earlier: new judges being flown in...

After this debacle, what judge has brass to come to Aruba and fumigate this mess?

I applaud the effort, but adopt "Missouri Viewpoint".

"SHOW ME"

Can it be confirmed indeed that a new batch of closed door, closed system bureaucrats and apparachiks are headed to economic disaster area formerly known as "Aruba"?

TIA.

Dana said when Joran did do the interview with Greta he wanted to crawl through the TV and question him. He said just look at the body language of that person and he is being kind in calling him a person, he is lying through his teeth.

Is anyone from here calling in?

Hi Monkeys...

Did I miss Tim on Dana.... :x  :x

Red on now

woohooooo...Red is on...go Red!!!

Yes, I just called in and spoke about the LIES and reasons I felt for why Joran lied.

Was that you?  You were wonderful!

Thank you Klaasend.  I only spoke the truth.

This was the article that was in the AM Digital the other day.

A.M. DIGITAL AUGUST 4, 2006

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New Judges sworn in

On Tuesday, August 1, 2006
mr. J.Recourt, mr. M.J.C.
Koens and mr. J.T.G. Roovers
were sworn in by Aruba Governor
Fredis Refunjol. As of the same
date the gentlemen joined the
Common Court of Aruba and the
Netherlands Antilles. The swearing
in ceremony took place in the
presence of Court Registrars mrs.
F.I.Israel-Wernet, and mr. H.E.J.
de Boer, as well as the spouses of
the new Judges.

Nice job, glad you got the call in :wink:

This is from Rammstein at BFN whom I trust as a source:

Mr. M.J.C. Koens
mr. J.T.G. Roovers
mr. J. Recourt

all are going to have Aruba as new workplace

mr. P.E. de Kort

is going to work from Curacoa

the appointments will go into effect on August 1st 2006


mr. Koens was until recently vice-president of the Court of Den Bosch
mr. Roovers was until recently a judge in Arnhem
mr. Recourt was until recently a judge in Amsterdam

mr. de Kort was until recently judge in Maastricht

So how true in my opinion...and what we have read in these statements is not normal ordinary "teenage sexual experimentation - fornication, or teen-aged males sowing their wild oats"......Oh, No! What we have been reading in these statements is pure pre-meditated criminal - minded, "one night stand"  programmed sexual abuse and exploitation of young innocent, helpless and vunerable girls who more than likely have been deliberately drugged/ and or enticed to become drunk, and are therefore helpless and at the mercy of  these evil-minded creeps, who most likely are now making videos of these "pimp" escapades.

But I don't think these guys replace the old judges do they?  I thought you get appointed to Judge for life?

Red, lovely tribute you are giving towards TES :cry:  Nice job.

But they have contracts for certain no.of years in Aruba.  Per Rammstein, usually they are 3 yrs in length.  So maybe they are shipping the others back to Holland.

Great Job Red!

NEW JUDGES ?            WHY?

Are appointments up for all the Judges at the same time?

Is this bunch being rewarded with a RETIREMENT ISLAND setting or are they being sent to EXILE ISLAND for past actions?

When asked why the new judges were being brought to Aruba he said he did not know but gave the following addtl info.

(Rammstein/BFN):


there actually are very few people on Aruba/Antilles that go to lawschool and have the ambition to become judge. But the bench must be filled with judges. In order to keep them filled the Court of Aruba/Antilles recruits/finds dutch judges willing to come to Aruba/Antilles. They are then put through the normal application procedure and at the end of that the president of the Court of Aruba/Antilles informs the Kingdom Council (or the appropriate politicians from Aruba/Antilles) that they have found the right candidates. The Kingdom Council then rubber stamps a decision appointing the selected judges.

If you hire a person for a 3 year period (and most judges only go out to Aruba/Antilles for three years) then you are going to hire an experienced judge. If you plan to train a judge then you usually use locals who want to become a judge (like Paul vdS) but not dutch judicial wannabees.

Oldfart - good question!

.
Do the Sloots have room for all those new judges to stay at their house?  Well, maybe now that the Sporter is away at school they can use his apartment for visiting judges.

 :?

Computer records comment. Who exactly was on the internet downloading porn that night? Viewing it is one thing, but downloading it?...after googling drugs/alcohol/lawyers....that is really sick.

According to the records -
Valentin was on for a bit
Paulus is the one who searched re drug/alc/lawyers
Joran downloaded 2 porn movies

Nice family.

The ijit refugees are claiming that it was info for Joran's school report.  :roll:

They can always add on to the property!  :wink:

The porn too? :roll:  :wink:

I wondered why they mentioned Joran printing something off the computer for a class before he went out with the Karpool Bros.  LMAO.  Then why did he log in as Paulus?  DUH  Not to mention the fact that the folders were there but they had been emptied.... hmmm

Anybody know about internet security?  What is the likelihood that someone intentionally gave their PC a virus on 5/30?  How much damage could it do?

I hope everyone has been printing out envelope label stickers. There is a nice variety that Klaasend posted for everyone to choose from.  

If you don't have a printer just send me email and I will be happy to print them out and send them postage mail to you. My email address is provided in my profile.

God bless~

His homework had already been printed out before the pimps left for C&C's.

I believe Joran admits to watching porn so I suppose that was him.

Frijole
Thanks  for bringing  "Rammstein/BFN" comments over...
So I should include NewBees in my list  :wink:
But I still have to wonder why that many  at the same time???

How many are there in total are for Aruba & the Antilles?

You are right... Interesting I believe that the records reflected Paulus searching for drug info at around 7:30 pm.  Joran downloaded the porn around 3:30 a.m.  But the "school report" was printed by Joran supposedly as the Karpool Bros. picked him up that night... So that doesn't correspond to either time frame.

 :cry: One bone...how simply so sad.....Aruba: How can you stand yourselves ?????

What would you bet me tonight that we find within the next six months that Paulus is addicted to porn?

Well, I usually do not post things of this nature, but I am glad the morons and rejects found each other, might be the only place in society that type are accepted by each other.

Where else on earth can you find people in India with a dutch accent who speaks basic papiamento in pigeon style and whose phone number is from Michigan?  Talking about multiple personality disorders.....geez.

My take was that all the ones I listed were for ARUBA.  Looked like housecleaning to me. ha.  That way EVERYONE with a major role in this investigation can officially say they have retired, moved or were promoted to another job... so of course NO ONE has accountability.

I wish the edit button worked, that sentence did not come out correctly, but oh well. There are always groupies who back the bad guys, they found each other.

ROFL :lol:

I would not take that bet  :wink:

I don't know anything about Internet security, Frijole, but I wonder if a virus could be downloaded via cell phone somehow? And how long it would take? I'm sure Deepak could have found a few bugs to spread.

Kudos to the pyjama guys from Dana.  (Hi, Anna).

dkpen

E-mail addy's are no longer available through profiles ... for the time being anyway.
 :oops:  :cry:

Hi, Tyler!   :wink:

What good will it do??  Aruba's system is so backward and so ignorant...and not having a jury system, but leaving decisions in the hands of one (or rarely at most 3) judge, will just never serve the quest for fair decisions....only lays the groundwork for tyrannical and bribed rulings.

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Someone could call in and tell about the stamps and sticker campaign!!

Wah!! I just went to call Dana's show, and my cell phone wouldn't call to Canada and I use dial-up internet!  Wah!!!

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Dana always has such good music.  He must be close to my age to have similar taste and like the old classic R&R, etc.

I thought he needed some variety so would not sound like one note song or one trick pony.  And I just walked in the door and totally missed all of Tim!   :oops: So glad for the podcast feature to go back and listen.

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Actually, those judges look like far superior individuals than what we have seen so far...certainly cleaner looking.  Wonder if they are ? That would be refreshing.

Anna,I missed Tim also and completely forgot about the podcast feature,thanks for reminding me......

Ah, I did not know that. Well, here is my email address then. If anyone would like me to print them out some envelope label stickers. Go to the thread provided by Klaasend and look at them. Tell me which one you like. Only one I can't print out is the circular one by Sunfreak. Sorry!

dkpen357@mchsi.com

God bless~

Speaking of the stamps, I just got an email today from that website saying that I could NOT use the photo of Natalee.

So if you use one, use the one without Natalee's photo.  If you create one, don't add Natalee's photo.

Maybe Paulus gave themselves the virus deliberately before he could check out what was on there prior to the crime?

Now the truth about Aruba is out. As long as you are a paying tourist they give the facade of giving a crap about you. But when you lose your purse or wallet or jewelry ...sorry for ya. If you happen to encounter a crime of any nature to take away from their image of a wonderful, safe island, may God help you, because they have now shown where their priorities are.

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I printed my stickers on the back of the page.   :( Haven't had time to go back and do them right.  But I did just write it on my mail this week.

Hope I can get the stickers aligned correctly next time.  Guess you feed them into the printer face DOWN.

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And another thing--did anyone ever use one of those ink cartrige refills?  And did you ever get a couple of the colors reversed?  No?  Oh.  Me, neither!   :oops:

We need six months ??? :lol:  Hey, father and son both seem to worship at the altar of pornography, in my opinion.  That's an integral part of this crime.

I agree Ono...

I know you will find this hard to believe but the virus infection hit AFTER Sporter logged off that night.

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I posted the article a couple of days ago I think by Jossy that said Paulus GAVE Joran the porn he was showing in The Netherlands to the journalist.  According to that article, which I found at Getagrip's site, Paulus said it would help Joran stay awake in class.

So it would seem that Paulus shares this very high opinion of the value of porn.

I think every bit of it should be illegal as it dehumanizes mostly females and largely promotes violence against them, a very warped and one-sided industry.  So many violent criminals have a history of this as well as cruelty to animals.

Whom do we know who has BOTH these traits???  A real winner, that one.

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It certainly appears that way for sure...with hospitality destinations like that, who needs them?  Americans, travel elsewhere....try the glorious Gulf Coast of your own country....you will be treasured and not abused.

Here's another site that makes custom postage stamps.
http://www.zazzle.com/products/stamps.asp

Let's suppose it was Paulus viewing the porn and not Joran and Joran is taking the slam for that just like he is for the crime which his father committed against Natalee.  Surely Joran was not surfing websites for stock quotes.  The only stock he knows is craps, laundromat or a pharmacy.

I can assure anyone, having been to beaches and even the Mediterranean, that the panhandle and gulf coast of the southeast is prettier than any beach I have ever seen anywhere and this includes all of them and Aruba.  Plus, you do not find the prevalence of mugging, drugging and pimping in that area.

Did his computer get herpes after all the porn downloaded on it.   :shock:

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Paulus deliberately did that as a control issue until he could get his ducks in a row...Pauus is a control freak in my opinion...and he would be at his peak in the control department after this date.

Ono
Will Natalee catch a break with this new bunch?  We will have to wait and see.  I'm setting here trying to think of a way that they could worse???

Then again WE do not understand their system, which is true (and thank GOD we do not have to live under it).

I still want to know when  statements are made by suspects that more or less say "YES I lied when giving my statement as a witness" nothing has and apparently cannot be done to them as far at the LAW is concerned.

Not to mention the statements pertaing to business establishements and repeat viiloatins of the law that they allowed to occur.

LIke I said maybe Natalee and Aruba itself might catch a break from this new bunch?? :shock:  



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I was just wondering if it caught an STD..... :shock:

...and children.   :evil:

Ono - I think the virus was deliberate too.  If Joran downloaded it with the videos, it would have shown up at that time.

OOOOOPPPPPSSSSIIIIIIIEEEEEE!

Maybe klaas can delete one of those?

I could accept that fact that it was Paulus...not hard to believe.  Shades of Scott Peterson.  I think that is really what Joran was referring to in that Current Affair interview where he says that he will tell the truth about what happened at some point in time...he's protecting his dad, in my opinion.

I thought Joran claimed to protect his hard drive.

How will we know when Joran is telling the truth?

Can you imagine going on TV and saying that when you are a suspect in a crime?  He really lives to thumb his nose at anything or anyone putting boundaries/rules on him.

His hard drive to what?  :shock:  His hard driven porn addiction.