Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Klaas, check the lock on the last thread.  :wink:

Sorry, everything happened at once.  Thread change, neighbors stopped by, cooking dinner...all at the same time.

Well, I see Steve made it in.  Is this the Steve I think he is?  If so HI STEVE (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/my%20art/cid_F9D49969-76F0-4308-BCA3-A5EC802.gif)  Long time no talk.

Kath

What Steve do you think it is?

Klaas, is this another suicide?  Hanging.
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2576/8/

Daves brother?

 :gaah:  You are really great Klaas.  But isn't it good to know some monkeys here got your back?   :smt066

I believe this is a different person.

OK, well Hi to him anyway.  Klaas did you go and see if its a hanging?

Does it say hanging?  Missed that one!

Persona hanja morto den cas       
Saturday, 13 October 2007 

Diabierna banda di 1 or merdia a tuma lugar un caso unda cu na Ponton 12 tin un persona mayor di edad ta biba y e no tabata contesta telefon y famia a yega na e cas pa check si e ta bon pero nan a bin hanje den banjo y sin bida. Polis a wordo yama pa asina check kiko por a pasa y docter Jagua cu TOD a presenta na e sitio. Docter a bisa cu e ta kere cu e curpa mester tin mas di 1 dia caba morto.

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Through translator:

person hanja dead in cas
saturday, 13 october 2007

diabierna near of 1 or afternoon did take lugar one caso where cu at ponton 12 have one person parent of edad live y the not was contesta telephone y family owing to arrive at the cas for check if the is good but they owing to come hanje in banjo y without life. police owing to wordo calling for so check what can owing to happen y docter jagua cu tod owing to present at the sitio. docter owing to tell cu the is believe cu the curpa have to have more of 1 day end dead. come across

Yes  :wink: :lol:

Posted by MF at RU:

The Mansur case is not related to the drug bust involving L.v.R. Actually L.v.R. is out of jail after spending a couple of weeks in preventive detention, if I am not mistaken. He was never charged, the case could not go to court based on some errors made by the prosecutors.

About the latest case involving the Mansurs, this investigation is still ongoing with different interrogations and the rumors are that there will be more detentions. L.M. is at the KIA and the latest detention was of E.T., former director of an airline company and pilot.

The investigation of this case started back in 2005.

Posted by MF at RU:

The Mansur case is not related to the drug bust involving L.v.R. Actually L.v.R. is out of jail after spending a couple of weeks in preventive detention, if I am not mistaken. He was never charged, the case could not go to court based on some errors made by the prosecutors.

Why doesnt that suprise me :-?  :-x

Does this mean, that once again, the prosecutors are dumba22 es?

It means that they are corrupt as ever and certain people will never be brought to justice for any reason. Rudy Croes put off his retirement to make sure of that.IMO

Possibly E.T. the former director of an airline company and pilot:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/et.jpg

Did Destiny's cop buddy say -why- Lorenzo was released?  TIA!

ET phone home...reminds me of my kid's childhood....Tromp...another name that is familiar to the island of Aruba.... :gaah:

I don't think so, maybe he didn't know.  I think all he said was Lorenzo was released.  Interresting that per MF it was due to an error by the prosecutor.

Who is the prosecutor.....what is the error of the year, here?  (sorry if I should know the answer to my first question..)

Here is Destiny's post regarding Lorenzo being released. Prosecuters mistake or a decision made from someone higher up?? A private mediation from a Judge from Holland?  :o


He said "Yes I remember you called about Lorenzo, so that topic is what we talked about for awhile.  I brought up again the trial status of Lorenzo again, he said that Lorenzo would not have a trial.  He tried to explain the Aruban Justice System to me....he really likes to talk, He said that Lorenzo had a private mediation with a Judge from Holland, and that the only way that Lorenzo would be brought back in for trial is that after 60 days from his release on July 25th, if a Jury requested a trial, that then Lorenzo would be brought back in to be seen by a panel of 3 Judges to determine if that should happen.  But, he also said"THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN"  and that Lorenzo had been released on time already served...18 days was the time he mentioned...so it seems that Lorenzo is scott free on the drug bust.

Judge from Holland?  A special judge for Lorenzo & gang? Or are all the judges considered *from Holland*?

Thanks ******* / Klaas.  Come across.

 :lol: :lol:

I think all the judges are appointed by Holland  :wink:

Hey Klaas:

I have a couple posts in my bucket.

I'm not feeling very well, but I did want
to make those couple posts beforeI went to bed.

Thanks,

Patti

Sorry Patti, I was playing a game.  Sorry you aren't feeling well.  Your posts have been processed now.  :wink:

Thanks, Klaas....

I'll probably be feeling better in a few days.

Smiles,

Patti

Sure hope so!  Do as the doctor orders! HUGS

Monkeys, your Good Works go father than you realize!!! :lol: :lol: Keep up the Good Work!

It appears that crime stats and tourism have a direct link. The best way to report low stats is to not prosecute or at least severely control it. That would explain why the tourism industry is directly involved in anything that could damage visitor numbers. This seems to be a problem way before the Holloway case. Example would be reporting only one murder a year. Ten to twenty mystery deaths, with an average prosecution of ONE. Drug problems none, with zero prosecutions. Really, if tourism was tenth in revenue generation, they would have to build a tent city just to keep up with those behind the barbwire.

Maybe we should start putting crimes that aren't prosecuted, suicides, etc. (all the things we know are going on in the hellhole) on the crimes thread as suspicious.  That way people will be able to see what goes on as a whole, not just the prosecuted crimes.  Or is all that in there already?

I think most of them are added to the Murder and Crime thread.   :wink:

Thanks Klass, I have read it, but it's been awhile.  And I am sleepy........ :roll:

Good nite to all!  There is enough information and facts on this board, that JK2 and PVDS should be sitting in jail.  We don't understand their system because it is so corrupt they don't even understand their system.

The light will shine in the dark places for all to see.

In today's Diario:

Den buki nobo riba Natalee Holloway…
UN PSIKIATRA CLINICO TA DESCUBRI LOKE E TA KERE TA UN CONFESION DEN E ASESINATO DI NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Un buki cu ta cla pa sali na Merca bao e titulo “INTO THE DEEP”, The Hidden Confession of Natalee’s Killer”, e renombrado sikiatra  Andrew G. Hodges, M.D., ta analiza un email di seis pagina cu Deepak Kalpoe a manda pa su amiga, Betty, na Merca, y den cual e ta descubri un confesion di e crimen cometi contra Natalee.

   Cinco dia despues cu e mucha muher a desaparece, Deepak Kalpoe a skirbi un email largo na un amigo. E buki ta basa riba e email ey, den cual e autor, un sikiatra forensic di hopi fama, ta conta henter e storia di e ultimo anochi di Natalee Holloway na mundo. Sikiatra Hodges ta autor tambe di dos buki riba e famoso caso di JonBenet Ramsey, “A Mother Gone Bad”, y “Who Will Speak For JonBenet?”.

   E sikiatra forensico, Andrew Hodges, ta utiliza un metodo pionero conoci como “thoughtprint decoding” (decodificando e imprenta di pensamento) cu ta basa riba e impulso cu e mente inconsciente ta sinti pa conta e berdad. Den e email di Deepak, Hodges ta descubri un confesion inconsciente den gran detaye y forma grafico, o sea e berdadero storia di loke e ta kere cu a pasa durante e anochi scur ey riba e santonan blanco di e beachnan di Aruba.

   Decodificando e mensahenan scondi di Deepak escena pa escena, e ta habri un caha di Pandora di seduccion sexual, engaño y depravacion. Paso pa paso e ta indica e violacion brutal di e tres sospechosonan, e morto repentino y inespera di Natalee Holloway, y unda nan a tira su curpa.

   Lectornan di e buki mester prepara nan mes pa shock tras di shock ora cu nan penetra “den profundidad” pa haya sa kico a pasa di berdad cu Natalee Holloway durante e anochi terible ey na Aruba, un paraiso cu di repente a bira su fierno personal.DIARIO lo sigui relata extensamente loke e buki ta describe!

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/10/15/
 

I received an email from Natalee's Freebirds in response to a post of Kat_Gram's:



From Natalee's Freebirds:

It is important to note that there is no other mention of Deepak vacuuming on a Tuesday (at least nothing that we have ever come across), and that the sand story simply morphed into the ant story - there were no two different vacuuming times stated by Deepak.  The sand from the beach party that Kat Gram references is the same thing we pointed out in our Face of Evil part 1.
 
D  6-9
I ate something at home together with my brother Satish and after that I vacuumed the carpet on the inside of my car. (with Satish is meant the suspect S.S. KALPOE; comment reporting officers). My sister Angie was already asleep. My mother was not home, she was working. The man with whom my mother is married, was also at work. While we ate I had asked Satish if he wanted to come to "Carlos & Charlies". After I finished vacuuming I went and took a shower. A little before 0.00 hours I drove to Joran's house. Joran lives on the address Montanja 19.
 
D 6-10
To your question since when I have my car, I can state the following. I bought the car about two years ago.

To your question whether it was a new of used car, I can state the following. I was a used car.
To your question as to how often I wash my car, I can state the following. Usually the car wash does my car and I do it every two weeks.

To your question whether I washed my car in the past two weeks, I can state the following. I have not washed my car in the past two weeks.

To your question where I park my car at home, I can state the following, at home I park my car with the backside of the car under a tree.

To your question as to how it is possible that my car looks so clean, I can state the following. My car according to me is not clean because if you look at the outside you can see there is mud on the bottom of the car.

To your question whether I can remember th e day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

To your question as to why I had vacuumed my car the previous day, I can state the following. I thought my car was dirty on the inside there was a lot of sand.

To your question as to how dirty my car was on the inside, I can state the following. There was a lot of sand inside of the car.

To your question as to when I had been to the beach for the last time, I can state the following. I had been to a party on the beach about two or three weeks ago.

To your question as to where the sand came from the day in question that I vacuumed the car, I can state the following. The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after th at he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs.

To your question as to why I vacuumed the car on that Sunday in question, I can state the following. I thought it was dirty.

To your question as to why, after having driven in the car all that time, I chose that particular Sunday to vacuum my car, I can state the following. It is my car, and I can vacuum it when I want. I clean my car when I want to clean it.

Club Arias in the news - at the 24ora site.  There is a video:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2601/12/

Elite Productions lanza den gran forma        
Monday, 15 October 2007 

Diasabra anochi na Club Arias na Savaneta a tuma lugar e presentacion oficial di e compania nobo di produccion audio visual, esta “Elite Productions & Entertainment”. Despues di e debuta exitosamente cu e “Aruba Music Festival” diasabra ultimo clientenan potencial y invitadonan por a sera conoci mas di serca cu e compania. Click riba e imagen pa e video y read more pa mas informacion!

Durante e presentacion por a tuma nota di tur locual e compania ta capaz di haci den cuadro di produccionnan audio-visual, di sonido, di luz pero sin lubida e set-up complete di un evento chikito y grandi.
E anochi a cuminsa cu un conferencia di prensa unda cu e director, Sr. Krish Mahtani a splica e idea tras di e compania nobo aki cu ta un expansion di e servicionan cu e tabata ofrece caba den pasado. Awor e lo ta brinando hunto cu su equipo, servicio na e mercado local y den Caribe tur locual ta trata servicionan audio visual. Despues a hiba palabra Mark-Benson Denz cu ta encarga cu benta y mercadeo di e compania y Mark-Benson a splica cu no ta simplemente stage, sonido y luz ta loke e compania ta ofrece. E compania ta un “full service company” y esaki ta encera cu Elite tey pa tur loke ta trabaonan di instalacion di sonido y video pa restaurantnan, negoshi retail, hotels, etc etc y tambe Elite ta ofrece paketenan di mantencion y reparacion.

Ta bon pa menciona cu e compania Elite a bira e representante oficial di DMX Music USA y cu e logro aki Elite ta provee musica di fondo pa tanto propiedadnan comercial of residencial di cual e cliente por escohe for di 40 canal di musica cu ta apto pa su audiencia. Tambe e cliente por laga pone mensahenan di e compania den e playlist.

Sr. Eric Clement, un legendario den e mundo audio visual, tambe ta cu e compania aki y a splica cu Elite tin como un di su obhetivonan pa educa hobennan riba e tereno aki. Durante e Aruba Music Festival mes Elite a duna oportunidad na hobennan pa a traha di serca cu nan, pa asina desaroya nan mes mas profundo den e mundo aki.

Ora e presentacion aki a caba, e invitadonan por a mira un presentacion di video riba e pantayanan plasma di dos minuut di kiko tur e compania por ofrece y na final a sera e presentacion cu un demonstracion di efectonan di luz y sonido ariba diferente ritmo musical.

Elite Productions & Entertainment ta situa na Eagle cu su telefonanan 583-9641 y 583-9642 y tambe nan website ta online ariba www.elite-productions.net

http://www.elite-productions.net/index.html

Elite Productions & Entertainment was selected by Lee Tofanelli Associates & The Government of Aruba to provide the sound and lighting for the Aruba Music Festival which was held in the Entertainment Center. More than 5.000 people enjoyed the festival and they were very satisfied by our gear.


Short Company Information


Elite Productions & Entertainment is a full service and production audio/visual company serving the Caribbean. We are based on the island of Aruba and we are Aruba’s premier provider in sound, lighting, staging & video services.

Elite also offers many services tailored to residential and commercial properties. We are backed up by industry professionals in our technical department who will assist you from the planning process throughout the complete event.


Company Name: Elite Productions & Entertainment
Address: Engelandstraat 31 Aruba
Phones: +297 583-9641 / +297 583-9642
Fax: +297 583-5654

E-mail: info@elite-productions.net
 

Beth doesn't even mention Lorenzo in her book.  She does have a few pages devoted even to Vadir von Loon but nothing about Lorenzo and yet there has been little else discussed here even since her book came out.

There has never been anything but rumor (which Aruba girl said was not true) that Lorenzo was related to the vdSloots and nothing to connect him to Natalee's disappearance.  Remember pornography is legal in Aruba and so naturally there are going to be those associated who will take advantage of that legal status.  

What I don't understand is the lack of any discussion not related to Lorenzo even in light of Beth's book coming out and any news happening.  He was drug into the fray around the time Vadir was and yet no one discusses Vadir, etc. even though Beth does mention Vadir and not Lorenzo.

I was hoping the release of Beth's book might spark some interest in something other than Lorenzo for a change but guess not.  I don't understand the obsession with Lorenzo and don't find him nearly as interesting as some and also seriously doubt his connections with Natalee's disappearance.

But I have come to accept that this is all that will be discussed here no matter what so carry on.  Just stating for the record that there is no known connection and Lorenzo is not mentioned even once by Beth in her book as she does not seem to share the fascination.

But those of us that don't care for the days on end of Lorenzo are free to post elsewhere, etc. I do realize.  Just curious as to why the constant fascination and daily discussion of someone who would at the very most be a peripheral character.

Anna - the Club Arias post above doesn't even mention Lorenzo.  The point is the possibility of the "pimps" making a porn video and that type of influence in Aruba.  Mr. Pink, Chuck Di Perri and possibly Freddy.

Coolaruba VIP Afair Party @ Club Arias 13Oct

Link to photos (http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=64866&g2_GALLERYSID=0a311d0862eaafc9558d3035e52a844b)

Here is Part 2 from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 2
 
With a plan firmly in the minds of Joran and Paulus van der Sloot, they then made preparations to put that plan into action.

Were Paulus and Joran finalizing the details with Koen Gottenbos to take Miss Holloway's remains out to sea?
 
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NO BODY, NO CASE ~ Paulus Van Der Sloot


TWITTY: Yes, there was a boat that Joran mentioned in one of his statements on June 9. It's actually a friend of his. It's Coon's (ph) father has a boat. And from what I'd understood, that there was some activity with that boat during the early morning hours of May 30, when these boys took Natalee. To what extent, we don't know. Whether forensics were done, whether the boat was searched, there's been a lot of speculation, but I really don't have any concrete follow-up information of what they actually did to the Coon's father's boat.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


What was the true purpose Joran was dropped off by Paulus at the Racquet Club?

We believe there were two reasons for these actions:

1. To bring all other evidence to an area near the boat launch in his gym bag - Miss Holloway's clothing and personal effects she had on her person the previous night, and any/all soiled clothing of Joran's.

2. To coordinate with Koen Gottenbos the timing of his boat being at the boat launch for Joran and Paulus' use.
 
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JORAN SAID AT APPROXIMATELY 5:00 HE IS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB

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At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that
JVDS 6-14

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there.
JVDS 6-14

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB AT 5:00 OR LATER. DOESN'T REMEMBER FOR SURE IF HE WENT INSIDE

To your question what I did after 16.15 hours, I can state the following. I think I dropped Joran off at the “Raquet Club” at approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though. I cannot exactly remember anymore.
To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Raquet Club”, I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside. As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I do not know for sure
PVDS - 6/23

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB BETWEEN 5:00 AND 6:30. SEES HIM GO INSIDE

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Racquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building.
PVDS 6-18

6:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON STARTED

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself
JVDS 6-14

6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN - JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO

I had called Joran at approximately 18.00 hours. I just asked him how he was. Joran was at that moment in time together with a friend of us named Guido in the casino at “Wyndham”
DEEPAK 6-11

At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school. )
I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido
DEEPAK 6-13

To your question as to when I called Joran on that Monday and asked him where he was and with whom Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham" casino. That was about 18.00 hours
DEEPAK 6-16


7:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON ENDED

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers
JVDS 6-14

ART WOOD IS QUOTED AS SAYING WHEN HE INVESTIGATED, HE DISCOVERED JORAN NEVER PLAYED TENNIS THAT NIGHT

Former U.S. Secret Service agent Art Wood, who spent months on the island investigating the case, told The National Enquirer: "Joran told police that he played tennis with a friend during the evening hours. And the pal backed up his alibi.”
"But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342


JORAN ADIMTS HE DID NOT PLAY TENNIS AFTER ALL THAT DAY

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - PAGE 98

JORAN DELIBERATELY LEAVES HIS GYM BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I wa s alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those
JVDS 6-14


7:02 PM = Sunset (the 48% illuminated moon has not risen, yet)

AOL Timeline

Was this phone call from Joran to Deepak made from the water?
 
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VAN DER STRAATEN DOES A REPORT ON A 19:25 PHONE CALL (7:25 PM)
 
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From available information it has become clear that on May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot.

According to cell-id in the records this information was transmitted on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle and after 2.28 minutes on the mast 9123 (Hadishibana – Lighthouse).

 
The Racquet Club is directly East of the Marriott, and the fisherman's huts. Fisherman's Huts are 300 yards NORTH of the boat launch, which is right by the Holiday Inn.

The Wyndham is at the South end of the high-rise hotels on Palm Beach - with only Divi Phoenix and the Mill Resort being further South of them..............all of which is still to the North of the Bird Sanctuary.

Now if we look at the map van der Straten drew, and a map of where the hotels sit, we have this:

Casa Del Mar mast id # 9181 is South of Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast id # 9123. That tells us that Joran's phone was traveling NORTH from the Holiday Inn/boat launch area - in the direction of the Lighthouse (or Mariott).

There are several more cell tower (masts) further South than the 9181 Casa Del Mar tower that covers the Holiday Inn.

Also - that cell tower (mast) covers ONLY the area around the HOLIDAY INN, doesn't even serve the area of the Marriott..............the Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast serves that area.

In fact - the ONLY hotels that mast (9181) serves are (starting with the Holiday Inn, and heading SOUTH):


Holiday Inn
*Playa Linda
*Hyatt Regency
*Brickell Bay Beach Club
*Allegro

* Denotes these hotels are served by additional cell towers (masts) in addition to 9181

We believe from this point forward, after the disposal of Miss Holloway's remains, Joran was attempting to create a very public alibi for his whereabouts that evening, via the casino surveillance cameras.
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Notice how Paulus "can't remember" answers to the most straightforward and basic questions.

Did Joran go inside or not, Paulus? It's a simple question.
Paulus, might you be lying or hiding something?

Thanks to the Freebirds for outstanding research and dedication.
Your articles are well put together and make a lot of sense.

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

Will do Lala's.  Also I'd bet Heli at RU will do a transcript so I'll watch for that too  :wink:

But if you have questions for Beth, you should post those in the comment area on the front page of SM.  She will try to answer all she can.

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0&mode=related&search=

Okay, posted my questions...you know I had some.  :roll:

Ah - good questions!  :wink:

But Dayhiker, don't you know that as a suspect he is supposed to lie?  It's expected!!  That's the system they have that we just don't understand. :wink:

Klaas ... I am again experiencing difficulty with the FP comment section.  The comments are particially obscured with SM Links.  Would you please do whatever you did before to rectify this problem.

Thank you

Janet

Janet - sure I'll go see what the problem is

I did find one long url that would cause problems and fixed it but it was for an older post, the Palm Beach one with Jorge Pasquera.  Let me know if that fixes your problem, OK?

Hi Klaas

Did not work!  It may be a problem from my end.  I may contact my youngest son and ask him to drop by later and have a boo ... it is on his way home from work.

Thank you for trying ... it was appreciated.

Janet

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FYI ... the following is what is preventing me from reading the comments.  These lists are partially covering the.

NEWS (breaking news alerts or news tips)
Red (comments)
Dugga (technical issues)
Dana (radio show comments)
Klaasend (blog and forum issues)


The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Monday, October 15 at 9PM Eastern - Guests Include Beth Holloway Twitty and

LaDonna Meredith
Nobel Peace Prize? Dr William Gray Calls Al Gore’s Global Warming Theories Ridiculous

Programming Note: Beth Twitty will be on Scared Monkeys Radio Tonight with Dana Pretzer
 
Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary - Monday, October 15, 2007 - Al Gore Gets The Cold Shoulder From One Of The World’s Foremost Meteorologists

In Aruba Civil Servants that have Positive Drug Tests … Only Run the Risk of being Dismissed

Child Rapist Donald Edward Lynch Arrested in Mexico
OJ Simpson Co-Defendant Charles Cashmore to Plead Guilty in Sports Collectibles Robbery Case

When Burglary and Karaoke Goes Bad … Helped by Drug Involvement
Search Warrants Issued and 6 Locations Raided in Anna Nicole Smith Overdose Probe
 
Snakes on a Plane … 11 Year Old Girl Sexually Molested on Delta Airlines Flight from San Diego to Atlanta
 
What a Surprise … Al Gore Wins Share 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for Global Warming Efforts … Ego or Mother Earth?
 
Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary - Friday, October 12, 2007 - Why Do We Follow This Continuing Saga In The Wake of Anna Nicole’s Death?

Janet - tell me which front page post you are having problems in.  Maybe I missed it.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/Pretzer101507.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

Remember Joran quickly changed his story to DEEPAK saw Natalee with the security guard.  This was one of the first changes he made in his story.

It then evolved tremendously as he learned that it is highly illegal to be doing things to an unconscious person.  His final story bears little resemblance to the one he was first telling on the night Beth arrived.  He and Paulus had to do a lot of refining.

NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS - IN THE FACE OF EVIL - PART II

Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij4hqxDr38U

Great job Klaas. :thumleft:

Thanks San!

Outstanding, klaas.

Natalee's Freebirds do all the "real" work, I just help them out by doing a slide show that can go in youtube.  I think it gets a wider audience that way.

Old Dugo post from 4/26/07...and noticed the language similarity between this Joran ruling and the recent Kalpoe appeal ruling.

"Why Joran is still a suspect

This from a ruling somewhere December '06 on wether to close the investigation against Joran.

The investigation is ongoing since June 2005 and that period cannot be considered unreasonably long, apart from the fact that this is undesireably long for the suspect personaly. Additionaly it has not been proven that there are such heavy weighing circumstances that the period, which for a complicated investigation as the presented into a more than probably committed indictable offence and the possible involvement - in any kind of way - of the suspect, should be shortened. The judge rejects the request."

igsigs

Did you see dugo's post that if they are released from suspect status, then they have no access to case files, because they are not suspects??

The latest ... Dana Pretzers interview with Beth.

Janet

That didn't do much good when it was used with regard to Paulus.

Yes...but i forget the context and/or implication? In the DrPhil trial at issue are documents that the Ks and their lawyers admit are already in their possesion. Does this affect the family's attempt to get the case docs?

 

concerned family calling home with no awnser rexieved became worrted and went ti house,  elderly mom found dead by hanging in yhe bathroom.death confirmed by correnor.

Janet - Sorry but i can't find anything to fix

Thanks Sandy!

And Wonderwoman makes the front page of Diario? In a story saying the e-mail is a Deepak confession?

She must be fuming!  :lol:

I know, that's pretty funny.  Hodges book does make it sound though as if he spoke to Wonderwoman.  :wink:

Ah...she sold out Deepak?  tsk...tsk.... :cool:

Thanks for trying Klaas.

Hey ... the latest Youtube of the Freebirds' work ... just great!!!

 :)

Janet

Janet - thanks! :D

Igsigs - yep, anything for a buck huh?  :wink:

Time for dinner, will be back in a bit

She surely did.   :D  Deepak should be fuming. . . . :cool:

Klaas,

I believe I have the same problem as Janet, or similar.  I have a screen shot that I will send via email. 

Ok, thanks

Maybe she even got a lot of money for it and didn't share with Deepak, too.   :cool:  I'd be really angry if I were Deepak!   :wink:

.

I've been thinking about Hodges book.  Hodges thinks Deepak wrote those emails and technically he did, he typed them and sent them.  IMO, the script was written or dictated by PVDS & Joran.  So....if Hodges thoughtprints are correct, the guilty parties are really Joran and PVDS (as far as Hodges book and process go).  The confession is really Joran and PVDS.

Wondering about that as well, Klaas.  I have ordered the book and will have a better idea how that is supposed to work after reading it.

Slogger ... your are right!!!

Janet

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Superior Court
January, 2007

“With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

I keep meaning to order it too.   :wink:

(note edit - I really have to stop with the typos  :wink:)

:Smt006 Monkeys....
Oh Dana... what do you have playing ....  It's good !!

 :2doh:

Thanks 2NJ ... I thought I was alone in my frustration concerning this predicament ... misery loves company.   :lol:

I was hoping to get my computer geek son to take a boo but but ... somehow a hockey game took priority.

I can get delima this dilemma by copying and pasting into my a desktop file and ... read the comments there.  The stuff that is obscuring the comments do not get in the way of copying and pasting.

Janet 

Hi Folks..


Oldfart.. isnt that Baby Baby.. Im falling in love again?  <the song on?>

This link will take you to the front page where you can click on the Listen Live:

http://tinyurl.com/2o4sad

Remember I can't hear any of the program so I need a summary as it goes along.  Thanks .

I'll do my best  :wink:

I'll help  :)

HERE WE GO!

Dana welcomes Beth - she is in Portland right now.

Dana talking about the book.  Asks Beth, what brought you to the title.  Beth never imagined over 2 years later she wouldn't have an answer.

They've learned alot of lessons and she wants to give other parents the benefits of what she's learned.

How hopeful are you that you'll be able to bring Natalee home.

Beth doesn't really think about the chances of the recovery of Natalee.  They are hoping something unexpected will happen, someone will talk.  Otherwise she thinks they will probably be released as suspects.

I'm crying  :cry:   What an awesome lady!   :smt060 God Bless her and please give an answer!  :smt051

Beth says she is in Portland...Shes positive about the mission ahead.
Dana was hoping answers would have came forward by new he tells Beth.
Hes talking about the book. Beth says She cant beleibe over 2 yrs later she still has no answers.. Says she may not get answers in this  lifetime.   :(
  She hopes the words in her book help other people.
Dana said he hates the word closure.. asking Beth hope hopeful she is about bringin Natalee home. She said she dont think about the recovery of Natalee anymore.. focusing on if the case is moved to the Aruban court system. she feels too many people have knowlege of what happend..She still cant beleibe something still hasnt broke.
Dana asking her about her diaries she kept.. Beth said Its sad alot of things that couldnt go into the book. <from her diaries>  Etc. Peices of evidence.. etc. She had a man from Venezuela come in and do a reading with tarot cars. she was desperate. she said looking back on it . cant beleive she did it.  Wanted to do anything she could at the time.

Dana is asking if there's anything she didn't put in the book she can tell us.

Alot of things regarding pieces of evidence that she didn't put in the book.  Maybe the 2nd book, if she does it will be the evidence.

Beth is very grateful for all our support

Hope is unique for each person Beth says.
Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... she mentioned Peaches and whats she facing. HOW awesome of her !!!
Dana asks about Jossy..Skeeters..Art Wood..  Says Beth has to feel amazed about the backing shes got.
Ask why folks are still interested in the case.. She relys heavily on any info she gets. HAppy for the supports she has, those dedicated to her case.  She says we see injustice. Americans are taking a stand.
Says when you walk in to LE.. you hope to see a officer or dipatcher in the US. 

And we were glad to support Beth. Many other people were behind Beth also, Maybe they never came across SM and had no where to show the support.

I think she mentioned someone else too, what it Pita?

Beth also did a little shout out for Pita and Peaches.

Dana says lets talk about Natalee.. growing up and what shes like ..
 BEth says Natalee becomes alive with her journal entries.
Shows a young lady with deep faith.  One of her heros are Jesus Christ.
She talks about the passage in the book ..  about how Natalee could see her life.
Beth had not seen the journals before. She said they were great comfort to her.
Beth said she ddit know Natalee til the depth she does now. 

  YEAH... that was it. Pita.. i coudlnt tell what she said.  :2doh:

Question #1 - Is there anyone in Aruba that you had gotten close to? 

Beth:  A reporter, a young mother that keeps in touch with Beth.  NOT Renfro  :lol:

she's not talking about the female reporter we all know well?  :shock:

Oh whewwhhh,  you answered before I posted LOL.. Thank God!

Question:  FBI/DEA involvement

Beth:  The FBI would have done anything they were asked to do but they weren't asked.

Correct :P  Big Hugs to Peaches and Pita :smt058

Question:  Do you feel you received good support from the polititions in Alabama?

Beth:  The polititions knew what Beth and Dave were up against.  They tried to do their best, but there's really nothing you can do since Aruba is a soveign nation.

Question:  Will the book be published in Dutch

Beth:  It will be available in other counties in English but Beth will find out if in Dutch

Ditto that!  :)

Thanks Angie and Klaas!

BEth answering some questions now.. I missed the first one. :(

Dana asking about names.. if there were any names left out we dont know about.
 She said she cant give any names that woudl be suprising at all.

FBI being observers? Dana asks.. DEA Anget bening on the islland when she first got there.
Beth says the FBI WOULD have done anything they were asked to do..US valuable resources coudl have been used from the US.  FBI would have helped.


Do you feel you recieve goot support from politicians form Bama. can any of them help bring this to a resolution.
Beth says they did everything.. she said they knew what they were up against.  Collusion going on 2 steps ahead of her the entire time. SHe feels they tryed to put the pressue on the right places.

Will Beths book come out in Holland. SHe said great question. she dont know..it will be available in several countried but dont knowwhat launguage., Shes going to find out.  :)


Asking Beth about the timeline..  about PVD and how she stayed calm when she talked to Anita and PVDS> BEth says she was desperate.  She said she wanted to listen.. just let them talk... to see if you coudl pick up anything. ANita vented.. she was hoping PVDS woudl have talked more.. one thread is all she wanted.

Asks Beth about John and MAry Smith.. sending son to bahamas.. next week.. tell him to go and have fun. see you when you get back.  Beths advice .. Beth said her book will help.. safetravelsorganzation. org.. go over safety...make sure you know hwo to use international calling when in another country... get pernant numbers.


Beth has another interview to do.. :)

La Donna Merideth next

 :smt038 :smt038

Excuse the typos..  lol

It was great, Angie. Thanks so much!

Great job Angie - much better than me...I miss half of it!

Talking about Jessie Foster missing from Las Vegas.

Thanks so much for the wonderful synopsis.  I appreciate it so much. Angie you did a great job and, of course, Klaas is superb always.

Lala's I'll keep watching to see if Heli does a transcript as well.  Never hurts to have more  :wink:

You're Welcome.
Klass.. I missed some too. lol

Sure wish Peaches and Pita were signed on right now.  Hope they were listening anyway  :D

Angie,
I thougth you did a great job.....got all the inportant facts.  Heli herslef couldn't have done bette.  Typos just keep it interesting.

Pita is listening and she is in shock and is holding back the tears  :wink:

beth and dana were both great.  one of dana's best shows.
dennisintn

Thank you Angie and Klaas for transcribing.  I seem to be having a problem getting the show on my computer.

Hi Pita!!  HUGS   Now I hope Peaches was listening too.  I guess Peaches can always catch the podcast.

San   - try the podcast later

Thank you Dana! Thank you Beth! Thank you Red!

As Beth says … there are so many involved in the disappearance of her daughter and the subsequent cover-up One glorious day … there will be a break. Someone involved will bow … seek forgiveness from God and the family and … reveal Natalee’s Truth.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!
________

Art Wood
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
December 2, 2005

WOOD: … The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

Dana is talking about the Anna Nichole case, Rita Cosby and Lincoln Bain.  Dana is disturbed about the audio recordings and the cable news.  Dana has seen terrible contradictions, yet the cable news guys still keep using this Lincoln guy. 

  YW SAN  :)  I'll have to shoot you off an email sometime.
Been so stinking busy with work. 

lol, they kept using renfro too, they'd use a talking clam if they had to.
dennisintn

DANA - EXCELLENT SHOW! THANK YOU!

Friday will be a special show live from Carbondale Illinois. 

Red on with Dana right now

Thank you Angie and Klaas for the transcripts.  You guys are so quick!  Ya done really good!   :)

I am planning on listening to the entire interview again ...

Janet

CarbonDale   :shock: :shock: :shock:  :2thinky:

YW Janet  :)

Great show Dana ~!!   :cool:

Is that anywhere near you Oldfart?

2-3hrs... St. Louis is about 1/2 that time  :2thinky:
But have wonder too why Carbondale ??   

I haven't a clue.  Maybe Red can clue us in.

I missed the phone #   :2doh:

I'm surprised Dana is still on.  It's over an hour already.

Carbondale because that's where the march is.  The organization Red thinks originates from Carbondale.

Great show..  !!

{{Removed Heli's transcript as it's full of BS interjected by Heli}}

Was Joran wearing shorts when he met Natalee?  I may be thinking of the picture of him dancing at C&C in jeans, but I thought he was wearing pants.  Surely one of you know.  You guys know all this stuff.   :shock:

LilPuma - good catch!  Joran was wearing shorts at the casino but he's claimed he was wearing pants I think later at night at CnC.  This statement indicates he was wearing shorts at CnC.

Peaches & Pita

Nice acknowledgment by Beth.

Well deserved.

.

Yes indeed Hammer

Posted by Victor at Scrux:

Victor

Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 28

 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Dutch Politician asks 4 questions about the NH case. 

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The Hague- PVDA member John Leerdam has asked States Secretary Bijleveld from Royal Relations and Internal Affairs some questions about the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway on Aruba. Reason is the (alleged- see questions-) request of some members of American House of Chambers to hold a hearing about the role the FBI played in the disappearance case.
 
According to old-police chief Gerold Dompig FBI agents have hindered the investigation, there would have been non cooperation and even threats made. Leerdam has asked Blijeveld for clarification about this.

The questions Leerdam wants an answer to are:

1-Are you aware of a message that some members of the American House of Delegates have appealed for a hearing about the role of the FBI in the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? (see attachment 1,).

2-Is it known if this hearing will take place and if so if old police chief Gerold Dompig also will be present at the hearing?

3- What is the current state of the investigation with regard to the second opinion that the KLPD is carrying out on the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

4-when can we expect results from this investigation?
 

Followup by Victor at Scrux:

Victor

Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 28

 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject:   

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Thanks.
About the third and fourth question, if Leerdam had paid attention (as he seems to take an interest in the case) he would/could have known what the current state of the investigation was, and when results are to be expected.

But it is nice to see at least some politician here interested in the case, and maybe the answers will be a little more lengthy then the diplomatic ones the OM is giving (trying to juridically tie things etc.), who knows.

About him bringing up the allegations made by Dompig (intimidation and threads made by FBI etc.) I wonder if there will be asked any clarification about that.
 

More from Scrux:

Miranda wrote:
 
Quote:
Does anybody take seriously anything Dompig says anymore? If there's one thing people on both sides of this issue agree on, it's that Dompig is the latter end of an equine quadruped. (I'm trying to maintain board civility standards here.) I hate to repeat myself, but Gerold didn't start complaining about the FBI till the KLPD showed up on the island. Before that, they were his buddies. Maybe he should be mad at Janssen. She invited them.


Victor wrote:

Leerdam brought him up to the State Secretary, so maybe she will ask Dompig to officially state the alleged intimidation and threats made by the FBI.
 

what's the penalty for perjuring yourself in a congressional hearing?
dennisintn

Ang.. thanks so much for the transcripts... I missed the show, but will catch the podcast from work tomorrow...

Castration I think  :wink:

Victor wrote:

Leerdam brought him up to the State Secretary, so maybe she will ask Dompig to officially state the alleged intimidation and threats made by the FBI.

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Somebody please tell me this is talking about the Dutch or Aruban Secretary of State and not our Dr. Condi Rice!  What an insult to her position if it is Dr. Rice. 

With a dull knife on the spot!

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060826/aruba.shtml

August 26, 2006

Aruba wants Dutch police to take over Natalee case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban authorities want Dutch police to take over the investigation of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island more than one year ago, a local newspaper reported Friday.
 
Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.  

Janet - correct, it was Rudy Croes not Janssen

Why do they go on and on about how the boycott is not working at the hate sites then want Beth do officially declare it over?  If it is not working, tourism is up  and they had a brain in their heads they would want it to continue.

I don't know anybody who is boycotting because Beth says so.  I am doing it because of the way they have lied about Beth and Natalee, the Arubans and their supporters and enablers on blogs.  And my sister was able to steer her entire huge group away from Aruba recently.  She said most of them thought this was settled and Joran had been in jail all this time.

roflmao, we wish.
dennisintn

  ROFLMAO    :cool:

It was truly a very exciting evening.  Thanks to all who made the interview happen and ... thanks again Klass and Angie for those transcripts highlliting the interview.

Pita and Peaches ...  :)

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

9:00 PM

Well, I just hope our Secretary of State was not accosted by some complaint made by a chief of police on some island, for goodness sake.  That is ludicrous.  Maybe he should have taken it all the way to the President.   :smt018

Guess he is taking that Secretary part a bit too literally as Condi Rice is not on the same level as ex-chief of police Dompig no matter what the Dutch might think.  Total breach of protocol and failure to give respect to her and the lofty office that she holds.  The Director of the FBI is even a bit high on the ladder for Dompig's whining!

Geeze!  Who do these people think they are!  The only thing I find entered into the congressional registry is about their money laundering.

Nite Janet

Anna - that entire Bondia article was based upon that FOS petition that Moonshadows started.

What kind of idiot wants to make an enemy of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America?

Not I, for sure!  And I don't have any nasty little secrets I am hiding and have not failed to perform my job as Dompig did.

I just can't believe the Dutch fell for that and believe they should be confronting Condi Rice about any congressional hearings when it is Internet nutjob fantasy.

I just have to wonder why they even think Dompig would be believed over the FBI and the family of this missing US citizen.

Hearings are the last thing those clowns want!  They should call for them and watch the rats run for cover. 

Beth's book was #37 on the New York Times Bestseller list as reported by MsMarple earlier.  I was hoping she would give an update tonight as to how it is selling.

It's at 34 right now and that's where it was before I think.  Maybe they haven't updated yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/books/bestseller/1021besthardnonfiction.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

34  LOVING NATALEE, by Beth Holloway (HarperOne)

You are right I am sure, Klaas.  #34 is three places higher and even better.  I was just saying from memory at #37 but the #34 is the correct one. 

Just being on the New Yor Times Bestseller list is a tremendous honor and accomplishment. 

Good night!

Nite Anna

Here is the Pita and Peaches segment from Dana Pretzer with Beth 10/15/07:

Click on the photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/th_PitaPeaches.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/?action=view&current=PitaPeaches.flv)

Well done Klaas!! Peaches,Pita and Beth are all courageous women and good people and I admire the way they have handled there battles. My thoughts and prayers are with you three Ladies.

Thanks so very much Klaas & Angie for the transcripts. :)
Also, thanks Klaas for the Freebirds videos and the clip from tonights show about Peaches & Pita, sending lots of {{{HUGS}}} to them.
I missed the show and will listen in the morning on the podcast, sounds like it was a great show tonight.
Thanks Red & Dugga for all you have done and continue to do to make SM a wonderful place to come to. Thanks Dana for the great work you are doing. Thanks Klaas, San, CBB & ******* for the great job you do to help make SM a Great place.
Beth ROCKS!! :)

Roos~

Roos - the podcast is up now if you are up to listening to it  :wink:

Thanks Klaas! :)
I'm thinking I better get to bed soon, I've been dealing with upper respiratory cold stuff and just took cold medicine awhile ago and it's kicking in now. Goodnight to you and all other monkeys that are still up. :)

Roos~

Nite Roos - you're welcome!

I'm calling it a night myself.  GOODNIGHT ALL!

Amen, I second that! God bless all of you. Hope springs eternal!!

From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank all those responsible for making this happen.  I can't express the joy this has brought to me.  This is something I will treasure for a lifetime.

And to Beth, who found the time to mention me with everything else going on in her life.... THANK YOU!......YOU ARE ONE AMAZING WOMAN! 

Peaches - you hang in there girl... you too Pita.

Peaches, I hope it lifted your spirits to hear Beth mention you.. I'm sure it did... :smt052

Sometimes a kind word is the best medicine.

Wonderful of Beth to mention Peaches and PITA last night.  My support is with you always!

Kudos to Peaches and Pita for all their hard work and congrats on a well deserved mention by Beth! Thank you Angie and Klaas for your updates.

Aruba should be aware there is more to come, this is far from over. I loved this comment from Beth:

Dana is asking if there's anything she didn't put in the book she can tell us.

Alot of things regarding pieces of evidence that she didn't put in the book.  Maybe the 2nd book, if she does it will be the evidence.

I love that comment also Dayhiker.  I bet she has evidence that the ALE doesn't even have :wink: .

I think  before it's release, the idea of Beth's book had some people  sweating and squirming, wondering what she would reveal.  What comes to mind is that snappy little thing "made ya' look!!".  Beth didn't reveal all, and therefore she still has the upper hand.  Good.  I hope some people can just keep on sweating and squirming.  Beth wrote about Natalee and gave us some insight into  her lovely daughter, of hopes and dreams and the sadness that has come from Natalee's disappearance. And she gave us just a little taste of what she and her family and friends have faced.  Not an all out,vindictive tell all.  Very appropriate at this time.  If and when the time is right for Beth to write book number two, I will be very interested in what she has to say.  In the meantime, those that did those things to Natalee and those that had knowledge but haven't taken action, keep on sweating and squirming-Beth isn't going away any time soon. 

Thank you Klaas for whatever you did.  I can now read the FP comments.

 :)

Janet

I was wondering...
is there a video available of Greta & Beth at the police station?

Steve, I'm pretty sure it is here in the Media thread but I don't know which one:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9.60

We just don't understand Aruban/Dutch Law and Customs..It's perfectly normal for a entire Police Station to go into hiding when the Mother of a murdered teenager comes to visit. Then the Prime Ministers office lies and says it was closed...I guess we will never understand there weird laws and customs   :shock:

Noord polis station

http://tinyurl.com/3bj2dy

To Pita and Peaches, two very loyal and dedicated supporters of Natalee,

The very best wishes to you always!

Ok, there has to be someone in Aruba.  Here's todays Bucati zoom, lol  :lol:


(http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg)

the Interpol is asked to try to get hold of the not yet released informations by the FBI", wrote the Minister.
http://www.nu.nl/news/810036/10/rss/Nederland_moet_Holloway-onderzoek_opkrikken.html

I'm freaking!  I knew I was going to miss the show live (past my bedtime doncha know) so I planned to listen to the podcast.  I see Klaas put it in my Peaches thread in the Lounge. WOOHOO!!  Gotta wait until I get home from work.  No boohooing at work.

(http://www.bucuticam.com/tarabeach.jpg)

A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS

The Prime Minister's office made a statement on that picture and said the beaches were closed. That is actually a mural  :wink:

Beth did a great show last night, thanks to all who made it happen.  And Kudos for Pita, and Peaches to get acknowledged!!  See she knows we are out there.  I tell you, she was thrilled to see us Monkeys there in person, really thrilled.  Well I just finished the book and I have some things that caught my eye, that I am going to jot down here for discussion.

Page 191.....  Helen calls with a desperate warning not to come (Aruba).  Actions will be taken against you.  You could be arrested," she says and asks me not to say that she called to warn me that if I go there I may not be allowed to leave.  "Well, Helen, when the media ask me why I am not coming, I have no choice but to tell them I am being threatened."  She begs not to tell.  If you say I told you about this, I will have to move there and rent a bedroom from you".
This all goes to show how dangerous it really is down there, and why people WONT talk!

Page 225.........  Attorney Vinda told us there is no crematorium there.  But many other island residents have told us there is.  I was just told a week or two after Natalee disappeared about the murder of the island man who supposedly was the incinerator operator at the oil refinery and also worked part time at the hospital incinerator.  He was beheaded by what locals call a "Columbian necktie" and dumped in a cemetary.  ......That page also goes on to tell about the anti Natalee Web sites, and how the people dont even have the guts to sign their real names.

I wonder how they get the very few little people in the mural to move like that!

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Youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mBLTTncJ4Sg&mode=related&search=Holloway


Transcript: Klaasand
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2212.msg287660;topicseen#msg287660

Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007

Jossy Mansur:

Greta and Beth did come, and we were very surprised.. They didn't contact anyone, just went about their business . either they were commemorating the 2.5 year mark of Natalee's disappearnce or came on a promotional trip for Beth's book.

They visited a few places, they were not very well received where they went. They went to the police station in the north, and then they left very quickly in the next day in the afternoon.

The police station is used for police work, we even saw a police car parked outside but nobody inside. We didn't see anybody, maybe some of the people inside didn't want to be recorded for any tv show

People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but people is not at fault, it's the 3 suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the 3 suspects.

<snipped>

Ya know??

My mom has to go there for a wedding ......
I told her about a good restaurant...Madamme Jeanettes.....she looked it up...they have gone out of business.....

No surprise.

No body there to eat the food.

No body no crime, Paulus?

How about No body--no aruba , -a-hole.

Be good monkeys.

Klass I prayed...hope it helped.....some monkey or another....I felt monkeys praying for me as well...tho i don't know why......... :2doh:

Rock Bottom for FOBRU >  Scared of their own shadow at this point.

Bashing Wonderwoman!  :lol:  If they only knew...

Deepak e-mail is real > deal accordingly.

Oduber Hospital?

Thats what I would think.  But I do believe most hospitals have them.  If it's a walk-in clinic type deal, things still get fowarded to the main Hospital.

Not to mention that it was "Paulus" himself that got Wevers Crematorium there to the island.  That was a few months prior to the Natalee disappearance.  Rob knows all about that.  The people who sold it to them wouldn't talk about it.  They are from Florida I do believe.

Deepak e-mail - June 5th

"...because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee..."

When this is over? On June 5th? This is a no/body no/case moment by Deepak.

Wonderwoman answering some questions regarding the Deepak emails at RU :wink:


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Klaas!  Wonderwoman agrees with you!  First time ever...?  :cool:

E-mail from Deepak's computer...but not written by him.

Wonderwoman is implying at RU exactly what I've said, that Deepak typed and sent the emails but the script of what he was to send was written by someone else (IMO PVDS and Joran)

 :lol: :lol: I know, I think I'm going to be sick..  :lol:

What idiots they are at RU.  They think the emails need to be authenticated.  DEEPAK sent those emails...get over it!  They are AUTHENTIC.  Whether the words were chosen by Deepak or PVDS or Joran, it was Deepak who sent them most likely on PVDS's instructions.

It's because Deepak's e-mail is kinda like a PV...and they all got backdoored into actually talking about the investigation.  :lol:

I still wonder if WW works for Posner  :wink:

Pausebreak wrote at RU:   (  I can't wait for WW's comment  :lol: )

1) The friend did not know the e-mail was going to hurt Deepak when she released it, and she gave it to Hodges at the same time. Way back in June 05.   YW  WW  !

Igsigs - You think?  That would explain alot too.  Hodges may have represented himself as someone working on the case.  He may have purchased the original emails from Betty....YES...way back in June 2005.   Thinking it would help Deepak since at that time they were sticking to the HI drop off story.

Or even possibly Anita.  For some reason I see her behind the correspondence angle like this plus the fake letter from Natalee since she was talking about that before the postmark date.  Allegedly.

WW's comment  :lol:

you watch way too much television, don't you?

Yes, possibly Anita but I think the HI drop off story was created BEFORE Anita returned from Holland.  That's why I'm leaning towards Joran and Paulus.

Now Heli is posting what I said about the email.   :lol:

 :geek:  They so silly!

Igs,

Have you read Hodges's book?  I have ordered but not rec'd as yet.

 :study:

Anita

Agree.  The HI story was in place before Beth even arrived.  But the idea to put it into an email as meaning something just reminds me of something Anita might do because she was reportedly talking about the other letter too soon.

FOM--I remembered you in my prayer time because you had pneumonia that wouldn't clear up earlier this year. 

.

What is with RU posters, are the just plain dense?

K Hemingway Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:55 pm   

The point of whether they exist on a hard drive is kind of moot. If DRd Phil has the original email and it can be authenticated AND WHAT'S IN THEM ACTUALLY MEANS ANYTHING, his lawyers wouldn't be fighting so hard to get them in discovery.

They wouldn't need them to get them from K2'S lawyers from the investigative file to prove the prosecution thought they were evidence to be used against Deepak. 


Who said anything about Dr. Phil?  HODGES is the one who received the original Deepak emails from Betty.....NOT Dr. Phil.

Anna >  NO

I am gonna wait for your summary.  Come across.

Oh, one Dr. is the same as another to them, bless their little hearts.

LOL!!!

What I wonder now is if this was Joran and Paulus version of what happened in an email authored by Anita but they tricked Deepak into sending it out as part of their frame up of him, does that mean whatever conclusions Hodges reaches as to guilt should go to Paulus and Joran instead of Deepak? 

Surely by now someone has contacted Hodges with this theory?  come across

I bet ya the REAL phone records show at least two phone calls to Holland on the night / morning in question.

1. Paulus calls to tell Anita he has arrived safely.

2. Oh SHIT! some time around 3:30 am.

IMO yes

Probably.

And isn't the timing interesting.....June 5....the official arrest of the 2 security guards, and the Dutch Marines finding the bloody mattress.

And Deepak is sending emails to penpals.

It's almost as if a well planned coverup was being orchestrated rather nicely.

So...who are the scammers. And who are the scamees.


AVOID ARUBA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Even idiomatic phrases mean SOMETHING to the ones that use them.  But I gave up on that one.  I think it means end of message and used to be used for radio transmissions.  How it got translated into the printed word excapes me, however.  No idea on that.

Well, if they can't even figure out it is Dr Hodges instead of Dr Phil, guess we can consider they don't have much to contribute to any lucid discussion as usual.

If Hodges is any good at what he does, whatever he does, he should include this possibility in his book. If not - i would just replace Deepak with Joran as i read.  c/a

I was told at BFN, when I tried to make the point that Deepak might not be the author, only the sender, that it doesn't matter.  The fact that he planned and sent the email is evidence of his guilt.  Needing an alibi for that night.

Anita was called by Paulus very early with the concern that Joran was the last one with Natalee.  I have a Dutch interview she gave.

Kermit

I only find the Rudy Croes requesting KLPD and their terms for responding on the site you posted.  I couldn't find anything on Interpol and the FBI.

Yep, have that RED pen handy  :lol:

I vote Anita as an author.

Libelle interview June 2007:


“Twee jaar geleden, in mei, werd mijn oma negentig jaar. Ik was in Nederland om haar verjaardag te vieren. Kort voor ik weer terug zou keren naar Aruba, belde mijn man Paul me op en vertelde dat op Aruba een meisje werd vermist. En hij zei erbij: ‘Schijnbaar is Joran de laatste geweest die met haar samen was.’ Er ging onmiddellijk van alles door mijn hoofd, allerlei gedachten streden om voorrang. Heel verwarrend vond ik het dat er ook dingen in me opkwamen als: Potverdorie, zondagavond is hij dus blijkbaar uit geweest. Wij wisten van niets, hij moest het huis uit zijn geslopen.”

Two years ago, in May, my grandmother became ninety year.  I was in the Netherlands her birthday to celebrate.  Short for I prevent back would turn to Aruba, rung my man Paul me on and told that on Aruba a girl was missed.  And he said with it:  'Seeming is Joran the last one been that with her together was.' There immediately of everything through my head, all sorts of thoughts priorities fought went.  Quite confusingly found I it that it also compete in me came up as:  Potverdorie, Sunday evening is been he thus apparently out.  We knew had to be demolished by nothing, he it house out."

Klaas,
You're not making fun of my color coded highlighters are you?   :smt110

I don't even know if I believe this methods works at all but just have to know everything said about this investigation.  Have to have something to read to fall asleep from habit so might as well read it.  If it ever arrives.  Will post summary.

It is also possible that the letter was composed at the initial instructive meeting held by Paulus around the pool when he told them no body/no case of all the unlikely suggestions for just a missing girl.

I always thought it might have been used for Satish to memorize the story line as they were so concerned that he would have so much trouble.

Buckeye
She would only admit what they know is going to be discovered through phone records. She has to admit there is a reason for the call. She is trapped. So she invents a subliminal reason and strikes first.

hey this *thought printing* is easy . . . come across. :P

Lmao..just need to mention I have had some chuckles over the past few days w/ the 'come across' remarks, lmao. Reminds me a lot of Lieutenant General Russel L. Honore when speaking with the press in the aftermath of Katrina. After each sentence he says 'Over'...lol. Speaking of him, his other famous quote of STUCK ON STUPID fits well w/ FOBRU'ers too  :wink:
Loved the Dana show w/ Beth and I just finished her book...very powerful, as Rob put it. I will read it again.....and probably again, just like I did Dave's. Keep up the good work gang.

The Deepak e-mail is vomitous anyway, and that explains the FOBRU hysterics. Not our Deepak! Pfffft...

The boo-hoo, woe is me act is all a freaking lie. And his willingness to identify the security guard...is pathetic.

Well, if Paulus really thought they dropped her at the HI, he wouldn't have told Anita that Joran was the last one with her.  He wouldn't have been the last one.  He knew the really story and consulted Anita, in Holland. The beginnings of the Dutch attorney.  IMA

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Even the made up lie "they will find her in the morning".  Why would someone say such a thing about someone left alive??  Find her??  Not she'll find her way back....she'll wake up with the son....but...they'll find her.....implies death.

Dayhiker

I believe Deepak knew her fate that night.  I believe the Paulus heart to heart was by the pool that night.  Deepak has a vested interest....his car...perhaps his drugs.  No body goes to the length he does without being in it up to his eyeballs.

Deepak e-mail time >

Sun,05 Jun 2005 00:33:15 + 0000

What is that?  12:33 am?  Aruba time?

Link to when the Deepak email was posted by WW:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1539.msg222035#msg222035

Wonderwoman posted the Deepak email at SM on June 21, 2005.  WW explained she had the emails for a few days prior to posting.

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Yes it is an e-mail, from Deepak....


TO ALL:

I just received this had it for a few days, and not quite sure what to do, so I was hoping "we" could pick it apart....I had originally thought to bring to someone's attention but

a) Whose? and wouldn't they have it(confiscated computer)
b) It was not written to me. ( so I feel I need owners permission?)

Yet, now I feel like HERE!!! Take it, anything that could POSSIBLY Help!!

so, I am letting you all in on it, and maybe we can, as an intelligent group, figure out what to do with it.

yes

Posted at TFN by Faith today....
http://truth4natalee.s3.bizhat.com/truth4natalee-forum-66.html


Victor

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007

The Hague- PVDA member John Leerdam has asked States Secretary Bijleveld from Royal Relations and Internal Affairs some questions about the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway on Aruba. Reason is the (alleged- see questions-) request of some members of American House of Chambers to hold a hearing about the role the FBI played in the disappearance case.
According to old-police chief Gerold Dompig FBI agents have hindered the investigation, there would have been non cooperation and even threats made. Leerdam has asked Blijeveld for clarification about this.

The questions Leerdam wants an answer to are:

1-Are you aware of a message that some members of the American House of Delegates have appealed for a hearing about the role of the FBI in the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? (see attachment 1,).

2-Is it known if this hearing will take place and if so if old police chief Gerold Dompig also will be present at the hearing?

3- What is the current state of the investigation with regard to the second opinion that the KLPD is carrying out on the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

4-when can we expect results from this investigation?

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=677

Buckeye

I agree.  Deepak concedes that he attempted to create an alibi through chatting with John Charles Croes on the morning of May 30, 2005.  Why would he feel to the need to create an alibi ... Natalee Holloway had yet to be reported missing.

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday. If I had anything to hide than I would have never told the police about John Charles CROES. Because that just worsened the situation. Even though this never happened, about the girl putting her hands in/down my pants, I would like to know what kind of crime this is. I am again saying this never happened, but it is just my question to the district attorney.

Nut - thanks...I did post those and Victor's follow up posts last night in this thread.  :wink:

Excuse me, Klaas:

I have a couple of posts in my bucket.

Can you please see that they're posted?

TIA

and Janet....the sentence that preceded the one you posted, is also important:

On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*.

Earlier than Tuesday??  Boy, "something real bad must have happened".

Patti - they did not go through for a reason and I don't have time to discuss in email right now. 

ahhhhh...k...guess I missed it.

No problem..good to post again for others that may have missed it  :wink:

I don't think Dr H would have written the whole book about just this email so I am hoping that there is more.  Just hoping that he has some information, any information, not seen before.

I have to also wonder why Deepak is not suing Dr Hodges as well as Dr Phil.

In fact, there are several people and things that were more damaging to the Kalpoes than Dr Phil show.

Others Deepak might want to consider suing:

AM Digital for saying that all three suspects said they had sex with Natalee when now they claim none of them did.

Steve Cohen for saying they were guilty as hell.

Dompig for saying same thing.

Joran for the alleged confession that Deepak did it and we buried her.

The possibilities are endless.

I think it's possible that Deepak wasn't aware of Hodges book until we all started talking about it.

Phil has deep pockets and I'm guessing Deepak was advised that Phil would settle.

ok, thanks. so basically deepak was typing this up on late saturday night. June 4th.

Well, then he say sue yet.  But only when he gets through collecting all those millions and millions from Dr. Phil, right?

It has never been proven to my satisfaction that Anita was not in Aruba.  It is my belief that she is up to her snoz in this and knows the whole deal.  Something Joran (the liar) made a point of saying in one of his statements that makes me consider she may have been in Aruba and that is to the effect that "...if mama had been home this would never have happened...."  That could have been ground work to keep Anita out of this in case some were arrested there would be someone out to help free those incarcerated.  With school being almost over, it would seem her vacation started at an odd time.
        jack blue

To Refugees:

Just because Dr. Phil's discovery documents asking for EMAILS from Deepak it does not necessarily mean these particular emails.

The HE that has the original emails (according to WW) would be Dr. Hodges that wrote the book, not Dr. Phil.  Why would Dr. Phil ask for something he already has?

yep, they're pretty stooopid.

Satish ever graduate? We never got an update on that.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_35634.php

Bomen toch gekapt
16 Okt, 2007, 17:54 (GMT -04:00)

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Een groot aantal kwihibomen en foyo di cruzbomen is gekapt voor de bouw van nieuwe timeshare appartementen.



ORANJESTAD — Ondanks de belofte van Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, de moedermaatschappij van Westin, om de inheemse flora intact te houden, is een groot aantal bomen gekapt ten zuidwesten van het Westin Hotel.

Het stuk strand bij de politiepost is in trek bij de lokale bevolking. De uitbreidingsplannen van Westin voor de bouw van timeshare appartementen op de parkeerplaats, stuitte in eerste instantie op verzet. Starwood zegde echter toe het park en de toegangswegen op te knappen. Ook komen er extra faciliteiten zoals een nieuwe douchegelegenheid en verkoopkraampjes voor de watersport en verkooppunten voor voedsel en drankjes.

Starwood beloofde verder om bij de renovatie van het park veel aandacht te besteden aan behoud en bescherming van de monumentale kwihibomen en foyo di cruzbomen, die de locatie nu al een specifiek karakter geven.

De nieuwe parkeerplaats, toegangswegen en beplanting zijn inmiddels klaar, echter de oorspronkelijke bomen zijn gekapt. Het is niet bekend waarom dit is gebeurd. Amigoe heeft diverse malen geprobeerd contact te zoeken met advocaat Antonio Carlo voor een verklaring. Carlo vertegenwoordigt Starwood op Aruba

Through translator:

Trees nevertheless cut down

ORANJESTAD - in spite of the promise Starwood hotels & Resorts Worldwide, the parent company of Westin, to love the domestic flora intact, a large number of trees has been cut down at south west of the Westin hotel. The piece range at the police force mail is in appetite among the local people. The development plans of Westin for the construction of timeshare apartments on the parking place, ran up in the first place against resisted. Starwood promised however the park and tidy up the access ways. Also there extra facilities come such as a new shower occasion and verkoopkraampjes for the water sport and sale points for food and drinks. Starwood promised further at the modernisation of the park much give attention on conservation and protection of the monumental kwihibomen and foyo di cruzbomen, which gives now already a specific character to the location. The new parking place, access ways and beplanting are meanwhile ready, however the original trees have been cut down. It has not been confessed for which this has happened. Amigoe several times contact have tried with lawyer zoeken Antonio Carlo for a declaration. Carlo represent Starwood on Aruba.

Dr. Hodges's theories which encompass aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... mirrors to some extend ... the theories of many. However ... this guy's "respected" professional expertise in the field of psychiatry commands attention ... provides him with a measure of credibility. He is not claiming a visionary experience ... he is not putting his theories in a riddle ... he is not claiming a psychic experience. Think about it ... most of us on this forum have come to many of the same conclusions as Dr. Hodges but ... these conclusion has been arrived at through logic/common sense based on research which has been derived through mainstream sources .. the media ... articles ... transcripts ...  documents ... statements ...

In Beth and Dave's respective books ... they both acknowledge that ...  out of desperation for answers ... the family afforded platforms to those whose methods to assist were very unconventional.

It is human nature ... in a desperate situation ... to reach beyond logic when answers are not forthcoming ... when we forced to acknowledge that we have no control and ... in my opinion ... charlatans akin to Dr. Hodges take full advantage.

Janet 

I'm certain Dr. Phil already has a copy of these Deepak emails.  We can always make sure though  :wink:

Yes, of course he does.  I don't understand why the Refugees are going on and on about Dr. Phil and the Deepak emails though.  Surely even RU knows that these emails aren't the only email correspondence Deepak had  :roll:

According to Joran's book (maybe some PVs also) Sat night/Sun morning fits for Deepak writing the e-mail.

SAT:

- Meets lawyers for 1st time > they recommend getting their story straight.

- Works the night shift - wants to go to Joran's but NadiraNadira says nyet.

- Gets home at....11:30ish. Writes monster e-mail. 12:33 > send!

- Could have sent it from work...buts wants ALE to see it on his home computer.

Very interesting that Antonio Carlo represents Starwood on Aruba....but not surprising.   

Yep, and fits the time perfectly since Saturday was the 4th.

Anna ... right on!!!

I suspect that those in Aruba who are behind Deepak and Satish's defamation lawsuit again Phil McGraw assumed that there would be a settlement ... it did not happen ... Dr. Phil called their bluff.

Janet

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http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/07/aruban-authorities-implicate-main.html

Friday, July 27, 2007
ARUBAN AUTHORITIES IMPLICATE MAIN SUSPECTS IN NATALEE HOLLOW CASE

If Deepak was innocent then he would sue the Sloots for framing his stupid azz.  :idea:

Lazlo says *maybe in a little over 2 weeks* re J2K suspect status decision.

November back in play.

NETHELANDS TO TAKE OVER NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE:
"Nederland moet Holloway-onderzoek opkrikken"
(Netherlands must revitalise Holloway-investigation)

Here:
http://www.nu.nl/news/810036/10/rss/Nederland_moet_Holloway-onderzoek_opkrikken.html

Aruba has requested Interpol's participation in the investigation.

In the letter, Minister Croes promised that the Dutch agents will get all the cooperation from the investigating-team and the management. Also in the letter it appears that the Minister also made an official request to the Interpol to review the dossier. "As requested by the PG, the Interpol is asked to try to get hold of the not yet released informations by the FBI", wrote the Minister.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
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Starwood and Mark Purcell go way back.

Kermit - Starwood and Mark Purcell huh?  Interresting.

Me thinks there are no coincidences in Aruba.

Ha Ha *******!

NO BODY on Aruba, but FBI and DUTCH LE are.

Starwood and Mark Purcell and Antonia Carlo/Paulus law firm now?

Yep, cozy huh?

Speaking of whom, somebody told me the reason that beach is empty is that it is a nude beach and the people are hiding from the camera. 

 :lol: :roll: :lol:

I wonder why they are hiding at Player Linda web cam as well.  But of course, there has to be a reasonable answer since the boycott is not working at all and tourism is in fact up.  You'd think the place would be packed and the beaches crowded. 

I don't think Dr. Hodges is a charletan but am not sure I believe his theory.  Will know more after reading his book.  I think he believes his theory sincerely.  Psychiatrists usually do extremely well in private practice in Alabama and I have to think this has cost him money rather than earned any more for him than time devoted to his practice would have.

I think he is just another person with a theory and applied it to this case.  Will give him the benefit of the doubt of trying to help as there is not much in it for him that I can see.

May change my mind after reading the book.  Hope it arrives tomorrow.

I don't like psychiatrists. I don't like the people or the profession. A recent survey found that they have the lowest percent of professionals who actually believe in God. Like 29%. Not only that, they are usually crazier than their patients. :P

A different Mark Purcell, IMO.

I just did a search, looks like a different Mark Purcell to me too.

Is Betty and WW the same person?  :shock:

NETHELANDS TO TAKE OVER NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE:
"Nederland moet Holloway-onderzoek opkrikken"
(Netherlands must revitalise Holloway-investigation)

Aruba has requested Interpol's participation in the investigation.

In the letter, Minister Croes promised that the Dutch agents will get all the cooperation from the investigating-team and the management. Also in the letter it appears that the Minister also made an official request to the Interpol to review the dossier. "As requested by the PG, the Interpol is asked to try to get hold of the not yet released informations by the FBI", wrote the Minister.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
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Where was Rudy Croes' zeal to have the case solved the first year and a half of the investigation? The Dutch KLPD, Interpol, and FBI were all available as resources from day one.

Where was Rudy Croes' zeal to have the case solved the first year and a half of the investigation? The Dutch KLPD, Interpol, and FBI were all available as resources from day one.
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when natalee's family first started asking for dutch involvement, i believe rudy's reason for not asking was that it wasn't his place to ask.  we don't understand dutch law as perceived and practiced by aruba.
dennisintn

Right on!

Not unless Betty is a fake name.  I know WW's real name and it's not Betty.  :wink:

Whew! thought I had lost it there for a minute.  :roll:

LOL  :lol:

She once told Darlene of Alabama that her name was Darlene, too.  Maybe it's Betty Darlene, lol!

So what is the skinny on the van Loon guy?  Is the drug supplier or not?  Was he a decoy?  I am confused about him even though I remember us discussing him before...with Bondia. :roll: :roll:

I don't think he had anything to do with the case.  I think he was more likely a decoy than Lorenzo. 

Lorenzo I do feel could be peripherally involved in the case. 

Good point although I do know WW's last name isn't Darlene or Betty.  I suppose her name could be Betty Darlene XXXXXXX

I think both von Loon and Lorenzo are decoys put out by scubajap and Renfro at around the same time to deflect from Joran.  I have never seen any proof that either are connected to Natalee's disappearance in any way.

JMO

Well back to Loon...I to think we need to look into him some, since Beth did mention him and Jacobs did try to overlook him and obviously knew who he was from the beginning.  I just can't seem to place him in any of the early conversations from the FP. 

It was Bondia/Glenda that mentioned Von Loon here in the forum.  She's the one who posted pics of him.  He's a beach bum kind of guy and used to have a boat.  He was at the Soul Beach Festival with his sailboat and alot of people. 

It was not Bondia/Glenda that introduced Lorenzo, it was Arubagirl and Nativelingo and it was LONG before we heard of Von Loon or Van Loen or however the correct spelling of his name is.

Don't know much about the guy but the way he acted with Beth he leads me to believe he is totally innocent. It seemed like a hot tip the first week with his yellow truck,rubber boat and oil barrel in back called into the tip line..Most likely a decoy called in by Renfro and ANita..I did find it interesting that his first words to Beth were "Im sorry about Natalee" and Beth also stated that she found out he was related to the sloots. I dont think the guy is involved but he probably has some good info from what he has heard from his connections in Aruba.

When I was researching HCGTV.NET I noticed there was a Wonderwoman and a Reality posting the very first week NH went missing. This Reality is also from South Africa but the Reality at BFN says its not him. WW used another name at this site and it wasnt Betty.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2022.0

If WW forwarded the email to Hodges, then she did not do Deepak any favors.  I thought from what I remember, she was always defending her buddy Deepak. Hmmmmm. :roll:

******* - help me out here so I don't have to read through it all.  What name did she use?  Mazrad?

According to WW it was Betty that forwarded the emails to Hodges.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/WW101607c.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/ww101607e.jpg)

If they had let the FBI do what they were ready to do, I am sure they would  know what info the FBI had without asking Interpol for it.  It sounds like Rudy wanted all info from FBI to give to the suspects, so they could change thier stories if needed.  it makes me sick that FBI and Interpol haven't been able to do anything to help this family, as well as the other families of missing people in Aruba.  It is a crime IMO that these agencies don't do something about what is going on in that hellhole. 

I forget..I showed you at the time but I didn't copy it to that thread..Maybee I can find it quickly in my email.. It wasnt Mazrad..

Off the top of my head, the names I know she has used are WW, Mazrad, Darzam and Shizam

THis person used the name WW at that site in early june 2005 but also stated her real name at the end of her posts.

Hey Klaas, I know we've gone over this before, forgive me I forget, but is there any reason to suspect that Wonderwoman is Betty?

It's possible.  Betty is not Wonderwoman's real name though.  Betty was the name in the email.  Anything is possible though.

I lean towards WW and Betty being different people.

******* - WW stated many times at SM that her real first name was Darlene (which is true).  Did she also post her real last name in those forums?

******* - I just found one of those WW posts at HCGTV and I don't believe it's the same WW.  Does not sound like her at all.

This is NOT the same Wonderwoman IMO...no way, does not sound like her AT ALL:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/wwhgtv.jpg)

Agreed its not her..THE WW that we know probably copied her name  :wink:..I must say that reading at that site in the first week after NH dissapreared gives me one big headache  :-? Any guess on who Sharine was ?? Sounds like Julia..IMO

#363 2005-06-07 8:25 am
Wonderwoman
Guest Re: Natalee Holloway missing--- wrote
You must be going through alot yourself
also Natalee's other friends as well,you shouldn't feel the need to defend her on this web site,everyone one here that has any negative thought
has major problems and those people should not even be getting the satisfaction of a response,heres a old saying,MISERY ENJOYS COMPANY ,you just keep praying for your friend and her family as my family is doing to and don't lower yourself to the level of some on here,stay well and focus on the important things ,God Bless
Sincerely Tina


2005-06-07 12:11 pm
Sharine
Guest Re: Natalee Holloway missingFirst of all, I just hope that this doesn't have anything to do with Insurance money from life insurance. I live in Aruba and our island has been turned upside down looking for Natalee. And eventhough I pray for her safe return I still suspect something fishy. As soon as the news of her "missing" the FBI came with the mother. And it seemed it is not the first time Natalee dissapeared, it seems she pulled this stunt in Costa Rica too. I have children too and if this is a wild goose chase I hope the Aruban gouvernment can charge the mother for all the extra work the police, the marines etc. etc. had to do.

Sharine does sound like Renfro to me too.  No telling.

It was scubajap who introduced Lorenzo at RWN, however.  Along with von Loon but she did so by description and not by name on both of them in the beginning.

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Scubajap must have gotten a great deal on buying the Gottenbo's boat as they were probably selling off everything to get out of Aruba quickly. I wonder if she just flipped it to make money or if she still has the boat?

Hopefully someday the computers that stored all the emails between suspects or those that tried to hide involvement, will spit out the volumes of original emails. Hint, they aren't located in Aruba, but stored in places to be revealed someday. Some people shouldn't be sleeping so well.

Sure, it should be on Deepak's if he sent the email or not.  And on Betty's server when she received it and from where.  But I don't really understand the controversy as I didn't think Deepak denied the email at all.  I just don't think he really authored it.

And I doubt Dr Phil is very interested in one email just in Deepak's email in general.  More likely more interested in any to and from Joran related to involvement with Natalee. 

Actually I believe that all transmitted email are on our gov computers. Access is limited by gov agencies tracking drugs to terrorists.

Having the exact transmission time should help if it was thought this was important.  They should be able to find it with a pinpointed transmission time like that?

There  probably is a file called, Holloway case in FBI hands, with the original emails, between the suspects. Unfortunately, being in another country keeps the FBI out of it. But that doesn't mean that the records can't be accessed in the future. Politically, there is probably some officials in Aruba that may be on that list already and are trying to keep it from getting out.

There probably is satelite images stored in computers from the night in question just for tracking drugs from boats. Of course that kind of information won't be public shared. It could be shared with the FBI to add to a future investigation.

Kiwi - I agree on both accounts, the emails and the satelite images.  Hopefully one day we'll find out.

Wouldn't that be something. Just knowing if a boat left that night. The destination (GPS) location, to sonar.. On and On.

Yep  :wink:

The only downside for us is, we will only know that a bunch of officials, judges, ministers  resigned or retired. Pretty much the FBI just won't publish the why. But I can live with that.

Well, I need to start this stuff earlier in the day. Too bad everyone is sleeping on the east coast and almost everyone in Cal.

Sorry Kiwi - I'm calling it a night myself and I'm on the west coast  :D

GOODNIGHT ALL!

No problem, time for me call it to! Nite who ever is left....

Todays Diario
Online Papi Translator

psikiatra clinico hodge is deduci cu, curpa of natalee is in fondo of sea in one canasta, two mile for of aruba oranjestad(aan):

as daily paper owing to publica yesterday, one psikiatra clinico much renombra, esta andrew g. hodges, is cla for saca one book titula “into the deep”, in cual the is count ; the storia of ultimo night of natalee holloway, incluyendo one guia for cu the ultimo lugar if sosiego of the student mericano of mountain brook. hodge, one psikiatra clinico, that for coincidencia is residente of same town cu nathalee holloway, esta birmingham, owing to desaroya one tecnica calling “thoughtprint decoding”. cu the tecnica here, investigadornan criminal is capaz of saca much more informacion for of conversacionnan or texto write. hodge is basa his self on the impulso of the mind inconciente, for count ; the berdad. hodge his investigacionnan is show cu everybody, usando the 90% of they cerebro cu is inconciente, can distingui among good y bad. according hodge, cientificonan forense tradicional have more chens of not place mucho atencion at cierto comportacion criminal inexplicable y considera this because; the accionnan of one “sociopata”, provided that bez of considera cu can deal of the mind inconciente, cu is mandando pistanan.

the pistanan here can wordo detecta for one person as hodge, cu owing to train for this. the book of hodge is basa on his analysis of 6 pagina of e-mail among deepak kalpoe y one girlfriend mericano betty. for of the e-mail here, hodge is saca afor thing the is see because; one confesion pace owing to pace of asesinato of nathalee holloway. near of this, the is saca afo also one map for cemetery in water of the student mericano, cu will is only 2 mile far for of aruba. hodge is of opinion cu the e-mail serve for deepak, owing to wordo cause for one confrontacion acute cu mother of nathalee esta beth twitty, that owing to wordo menciona also in the e-mail, in cual owing to wordo tell cu the mother owing to priminti of make life of deepak one hell on ground.

hodge is tell cu his method is analogo at the method more conoci because; the method of cerebro part right. this kiermen cu hodge is read comunicacion, for detecta mensahenan simbolico, provided that bez of the mensahenan literal, of the cerebro part robez. in the model of hodge, the mind conciente is talk “cerebro robez” y the mind inconciente is talk “cerebro drechi”. in the caso specifico of natalee hollloway, hodge is tell cu the e-mail of deepak have all ingrediente of one confesion inconciente of thing owing to sosode cu the young mericano, cu affirmation in words of deepak “e berdad”, “e noticia” y “e storia”, without forget “lighthouse”, cu hodge is interpreta because; one attempt of deepak, for place one luz big on the caso, again inconcientemente. near of the señalnan of confesion cu hodge owing to detecta, past owing to identifica 5 another patronchi of thought, incluyendo: *indicacionnan cu natalee owing to die one dead violento, after of owing to wordo viola for more of one person *imagennan of dead conecta cu natalee: “mi ultimo dia”(menciona 3 trip in the e-mail), “perde natalee”, “pega soño”, “cay abao” y “mi is stop”. *imagennan of strangulacion, cu can indica cu the young owing to die after day wordo choca. *imagennan cla of oceano, indicando cu his curpa will is at fondo of sea. *imagennan of one container as one canasta, cu is sugeri cu the will is bao of sea still. hodge is believe u the pensamentonan of deepak, cu owing to leave inconcientemente in thing past owing to write, is give pistanan oceanografico, of where investigadornan have to bay busca. hodge in his book is indica also cu father of natalee esta dave holloway cu that past owing to work of close, have intencion earnest of come bek aruba cu equuusearch, for busca once more in sea, usando equipo much more sofistica the trip here. steven owing to.egger, phd, one professor of criminologia at universidad of houston, is tell also cu the tecnica of hodge is birando one direccion esencial in cual ciencia forensico is bayendo. janice windham, one agent special of fbi retira, is confirma cu the tecnica of hodge is uno extremely relevante in combatimento of crimen. come across

Article in Solo Di Pueblo about Ramon Jesus Junior Vrolijk fighting weapons and drug charges...He was busted the same day as LVR in the big MJ busts. I wonder what he thinks about Lorenzo already getting off scott free?

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=1

Just going through some 'oldies' last night, thought I'd share for lala's -- it will either help, or confuse more. Or help to confuse more :lol:



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1441.0



watchingallalong wrote:
helpful summary
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2005, 06:47:13 AM » 

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Dallas Also posted this in the Breaking Rumors thread last night & it seemed very helpful. Thought I'd quote it here:



FROM DALLAS ALSO:

Here is a list that I think summarizes today's events, with good extras from the local Ariba folks that are posting:

1. Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don't think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home.
2. Someone else was arrested this morning and two of our posters determined that this is their friend that was arrested. The name is Steve Croes. Croes is a common name like Smith or Jones and he is no relation to the Minister Croes that has been quoted some in some press releases. Steve Croes is an acquaintance of Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR, and that he drives a large party boat called the Tattoo that stays docked near the Marriott. Steve Croes is divorced and has a two-yr-old child and works hard and also would have been the type that might have enjoyed going to a late-night party. But this really shook up our friends Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR. Americaninaruba went down to the courthouse to see what was going on there.
3. Someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an "underground party". Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don't have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don't close those down as easily.
4. In the radio announcements, there are several announcements from officials that they now are back to thinking she could be alive.
5. We looked closer at the underwear that was found on the beach and discussed that it did indeed look like an American style, "boy boxers" that can be purchased at any major American department store.
6. We looked closer at the guy that was holding up the underwear, and we found a separate picture from Joran's old website. And it looked like the same guy shown as a friend/acquaintance of Joran also was the guy that found all those items on the beach on 6-7-05. Among those items also was a piece of foam "that had teethmarks" on it and we discussed that a little.
7. We heard rumors of FBI searches that weren't confirmed.
8. We heard that on local Aruba radio at 5 pm, they announced that an additional person had been arrested. This hasn't shown up on MSM so far.
9. We knew that today the three guys (Joran and the three brothers) appeared in court. The court decided to keep them in jail another 8 days. This decision took hours today. They were in their at least 3 hours. One report said that they came out once, and that when they went back in, that Joran was in handcuffs, and had not been in handcuffs the first time he had gone into the courtroom earlier in the day.
10. We heard that a "travelling judge" today overturned another judge's original decision to let Joran's dad visit Joran. So the dad only got to visit Joran one day.
11. We heard that Joran now has additional lawyers (we think he has three now), and that one of his lawyers broke some sort of rule by "talking to one of the guards".
12. Someone posted that Steve Croes has been released, but that is only a post from another website and no one has really confirmed it.

I think that is the summary of today's posts. We had incredible information coming in from Aruba and others.

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watchingallalong wrote:
 more updates from friday night
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2005, 08:16:48 AM » 

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UPDATE FROM WAITINGTOKNOW

6. We looked closer at the guy that was holding up the underwear, and we found a separate picture from Joran's old website. And it looked like the same guy shown as a friend/acquaintance of Joran also was the guy that found all those items on the beach on 6-7-05. Among those items also was a piece of foam "that had teethmarks" on it and we discussed that a little.

I would like to note...
1. the separate picture was not found on Joran's old website..it was found in another website of a friend....http://elektron.et.tudelft.nl/%7Eryan/ picture #37
2. The items were not found on 6/7/05...they were just found this past week near the MH
3. The items found by the caves on 6/7/05, I believe that is where they were found....the foam, can of unidentified substance, security guard uniform shirt....were found by searchers...not the guy that found the panties and condoms..

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watchingallalong wrote:
 updates / responses
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2005, 08:00:16 AM » 

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1) DALLAS UPDATES:

On that item #6, I could have stated that one better, because we didn't reach any conclusion as to whether the two photos were of the same guy.

Also, the person reported at 5 pm to be arrested may have only been questioned. He was in the same grade and at the same school as Joran.

For what it's worth - Vrolijk had weapons charges as well as growing and possessing marijuana. (His place was referred to as a "plantation".)

No weapons, or other types of drugs, were found (or mentioned as being found) at Lorenzo's. (Lorenzo's place also was referred to as a "plantation".)

Posted by Wonderwoman this morning at RU:

wonderwoman Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:45 am
   
prior to the emails

when my friend first heard about the news in aruba....a girl named natalee has disappeared on the island of aruba....persons of interest...blah blah..

she immediately emailed deepak because the news hit home for her in respect to the fact that she had been visiting the island for years prior and wanted to know the scoop....

so she asked him in her email to him....."what's going on out there, how sad....that sort of thing, along with the usual "how are you doing" etc.

That first email on June 5th was him responding to an old friend who had no idea she was asking one of the "persons of interest" imagine her surprise when she received it!! 

What a coincidence  :roll:

Yes, and it is odd that this tidbit of information was not offered in 2005 when WW was posting the email.

Just as big of a surprise as this bullshit line she gave :roll:

When he was first arrested Jossy said he had weapons and over 100 plants as I still have his email. However we know that turned out to be a mistake just like his name(Van Gijn and Van Rein)and the prosecuters case against him.  :roll:

Woke up just as confused about this Deepak email connection.  Please, would someone explain it again?  How did WW get int he middle of this?  And why would Betty give WW the email or was it Betty giving the email to Hodges?  Why would Deepak be so stupid to send anyone an email? Was this person and older lady that Deepak sent the email to?  Somebody help me here...again. TIA

The story from WW goes like this:

1.  An older lady by the name of Betty has been going to Aruba for a while and met Deepak at the internet Cafe and they occasionally corresponded.

2.  When the news broke about a girl missing in Aruba, Betty emailed Deepak to say hi and in the email asked about the missing girl.  The Deepak Emails was Deepak's response to Betty.

3.  Somehow, Betty knows WW.  I don't know if they worked together or what but according to WW they know eachother.  After Betty received the email from Deepak she forwarded it to WW.

Hodges connection:

1.  Sounds like Hodges heard about the emails and worked out some kind of deal to get the original emails from Betty.  Hodges wrote the book.

1.  An older lady by the name of Betty has been going to Aruba for a while and met Deepak at the internet Cafe and they occasionally corresponded.

I'm sorry -- this still gives me the giggles (like it did 2+ years ago)


Does Deepak strike you as the type to befriend a little old lady in the Internet cafe and become her penpal?

What do you think they communicated occasionally about. The latest AARP deal ons Aruba? Maybe they were both 'car' afficionados? Or maybe Betty was taken in by Deepak's charm?

I didn't buy this line of bs (imo) then. I don't buy it now.

WonderWoman was the front runner to MedlayRelay.  IMHO

Yes it strikes me as very odd and unlikely.  I was just relaying how WW said it happened, not that I believe WW.

I'm wondering when Hodges acquired the emails and started writing his book.  It would seem reasonable that some sort of negotiations were going on prior to his acquiring it/them and that Betty was quite sure of what she had in her possession early on.

Sharon,

When my job was eliminated, I had been working with a 22 year old programmer.  He subsequently relocated from FL to another state, and eventually found a better job.  I had sent him an email prior to that and he responded giving me his personal email address, asking that I keep in touch.  I received 2 emails with maybe 2 sentences each in a year, which didn't surprise me....why would someone his age want to email a woman older than his mother?.  I guess you can say, I agree about Betty & Deepak corresponding.  :lol: :lol:

I don't blame him -- you are a real sweety  :smt052

But it's not just the age difference 2NJ -- IMO Deepak has some deep 'social' disorders.

I find it hard to accept that he befriends an elderly female customer at work and has a need to stay in touch with her. I would find it hard to accept that he befriends any tourist -- for 'friendship'.

klaas I wasn't suggesting that you believed it! And I really appreciate you bringing things over from 'that place'  :lol: :lol:

I don't know about the emails. Jossy was probably just lumping everything together - as did the headlines on several of the articles. Made it look like everyone had weapons.

But NONE of the articles I read (Diario, 24ora et al) indicated that weapons were found at Lorenzo's. Several of these articles are posted in the M&C thread (of course in the then-current Natalee threads as well).

There even were photos of ALL the weapons and a count (about 5 - 7 firearms at 2 or 3 of the locations that were raided - sorry I don't recall exact figures).

Someone (I think Rob) posted that the weapons charges would cause more problems than the marijuana charges. My *assumption* is that you can have firearms, but they need to be registered or licensed. And then some kind of authorization to "carry".

(I am basing this *assumption* on stories about Michael Saladin (sp?), the American expat arrested for "brandishing" a weapon in a public place. Wonder what happened with him ... ?)

Onward.

Re. the WW, Betty, Depack scenario - as someone just posted, the oddity is that Depack would send such a lengthy message to a seemingly casual, seldom-seen acquaintance. On the other hand, maybe he sent the same message to other folks as well - this is just the only recipient we know about?

It prolly went down like this.

1. Deepak needs an alibi... but not someone he will drag into what he and the goon child created. Someone far away and not related to the pimps.

2. He goes through his list of buddies and sees someone he corresponded with once or twice. Hence her surprise at receiving the email. The last part is probably true. She was surprised to see Deepak in her inbox. Thinking - What the heck is that loser emailing me for.

3. J/P/A via Deepak sets up Deepak unknown to Deepak at the time. And prolly still unknown to Deepak today.

Posted this morning by J45 at Scrux:

Jonathan45

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 124

 Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject:   

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LOOKING BACK II

Some crucial questions. Some crucial answers.

Was PaulusVDS really asleep the night Natalee disappeared ? No.
Was PaulusVDS at home all night ? No.
Was ValentijnVDS asleep all night ? No.
Was ValentijnVDS active on the internet during Paulus' and Joran's absence ? Yes.
Was Joran also active on the internet when Paulus wasn't there ? Yes.
Was Joran active on the internet when Paulus returned at 4.00am ? Yes.
Was Joran downloading two pornmovies at that time ? Yes.
Did Joran heard his dad coming home at 4.00am ? Yes.
Did Paulus saw his son when he came back at 4.00am ? Yes.
Did they communicate ? Yes.
Did Joran sealed Valentijn's lips ? Yes.
Did Paulus sealed Valentijn's lips ? Yes.
Did Paulus sealed Joran's lips ? Yes.
 
 

My experience was due to a working relationship, but it does make me think of what kind of business relationship could be had by this Betty & Deepak during her visit(s) at Internet Cafe.  Just thinking...

According to WW:

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Some of this assumes Valenyjin is actually on Aruba. I'm still not sure about that one. The kids weren't there til Paulus need an alibi himself.

A parent or a child as an alibi is not an alibi in my opinion.

interesting that only half of the question is answered. And remember, we think Deepak is innocent and some of this is upsetting.

I bet it is!!!!

From WW at RU (remember there were 3 emails from Deepak to Betty regarding the case):

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/ww101707a.jpg)

is she getting ready for the grand finale? :lol:

Go ahead WW say J/P/A wrote them and see how fast you get banned :lol:

and remember - we don't care one iota about Deepak - this site is all about the Sloots  :lol: :lol:

According to WW regarding the contact between Hodges and Betty over the emails:

no money ?

no contract ?

no proceeds ?

come across!

Out of everything WW has posted about the emails, this is the hardest for me to believe  :wink:

I am still wondering how they think Deepak hasn't been thrown under the bus?  If Hodges says it's a confession by Deepak...then it goes to question why WW thinks this is sucha  good idea.  I guess I don't understand their logic.  Also, was this email sent after the failed attempt for Deepak to get an alibi out of his younger friend that had enough smarts to talk to the FBI?

If you read all of WW's posts over the past couple days at RU, WW doesn't think it was such a good idea NOW.

The email was sent June 5th, I'm not sure if that was prior to or after Deepak's younger friend went to the FBI...I'd have to research that one.

I have not read Hodges book but from what I understand, Hodges is saying the writer of the email is guilty.  No matter if Deepak is the author or someone else like Joran or Paulus. 

iirc -- Deepak called his 'friend' for an alibi when he found out the gardner reported the 'sighting' at the pond. Someone mentioned the 'gardner' to Deepak during a game of prison checkers, iirc.

So that would be after the 5th since Deepak wasn't arrested until the 9th (iirc).

It also means that Deepak had pretty liberal phone privilieges while in jail. Apparently you can call friends for alibi's while incarcerated.

Unless I have the order of things all messed up :-?

I understand the theory that whoever wrote the emails (wrote as in composed them, not typed them) is admitting guilt, what is interesting to me is does this now mean that WW will admit that they weren't written by Deepak after all?

 That Anita or Paulus wrote the emails and instructed Deepak to put them on the internet?  Nope. Can't do that.

That Satish was actually writing them instead of Deepak? Nope...Satish probably can't speak well enough to compose such an email (well, he is still in high school, isn't he?)

That Deepak is indeed the author/composer of said emails and he is "guilty as hell" and right along with his brother and Joran killed Natalee?  Had sex with her?  Nope, then he will be admitting that Jamie Skeeters was right and that it is as we have suspected all along.

I guess the best I can muster at this point is a huge ROFLMAO response.  What a quandry....indeed!  :roll: :roll:

I think that WW is far more than just a friend of Betty.  She was here from the beginning.
She was always posting against any logical train of thought.
Strange that she has been invisible for so long and magically shows up
when RU starts talking about Hodges book.
Something just real fishy about WW.

Sharon
Their system is so messed up over there...I am beginning to think that being in KIA provides all manner of luxury that our prison system can't hold a candle to.  Imagine that!

Hello Magnolia!   So good to see you in here.  I agree with you...that relationship was one of the more strange relationships I saw among the perps and posters.  The truth is somewhere in between.

I absolutely agree.

I have always thought that WW had a "not so hidden" agenda.
She is smart, but wicked.
I have to wonder what she is pushing now.
Why come forward at this point?

She often comes forward when Deepak is involved in the discussion.

Do you think that her reason for posting now is to get the point across that Deepak did not compose the e-mails?

Didn't she once have an e-mall link in her sig line?  Chicago based? 

Where are 2Ks attorneys from?

Does anyone find Deepak posting things like "bye bye" rather odd?  Sounds kind of feminine to me.

JMO

According to WW she was asked to come and answer some questions.  According to Iquitos, Iquitos is the one who asked WW to come and answer questions.

WW believes the emails came from Deepak or at least from Deepak's email address, WW does not claim that Deepak authored the emails nor does WW suggest who did author them. 

The only thing that is clear to me is that WW has some connection to Deepak and she thinks or thought that he was innocent.  What other connection she has to the case or those in Aruba I have no idea.

So does that make Hodges research in error and thus negates his revelations in the book altogether?  Wonder how Hodges will feel after he wrote the book and claimed Deepak confesses and then finds out it's really someone else.   Dr. Hodges may need to check out his sources or WW needs to stop while she's ahead. LOL Never mind...it's too late. LOL

Too bad she's the one who introduced them to the blogs!   :D  Without her having done so, how likely is it that anyone would have ever seen them?

Personally, I find Deepak posting anything of measurable intelligence rather odd. IMO

Yes she did but the site is no longer available.  It was www.goinmallin.com

http://web.archive.org/web/20040329203213/http://goinmallin.com/

JMHO about the Deepak emails.......

If in fact Deepak sent the emails, and it was sent from his computer then Joran was sitting right there with him.

1.  There are too many details from Deepak about Joran winning money back for Natalee at the black jack table.  And how Natalee just begged Joran to meet her at C&C's  (Don't that make you wanty to throw up) IMO these are Joran's words.

2.  Either Deepak still doesn't have a clue yet (on June 5th)  that PVDS isn't a Judge, but a loser or Joran is still pushing his way around bragging how daddy is some kind of big shot.  This could be from Deepak or Joran.  And the part about how Joran is a straight A student has to be from Joran.  I doubt these words are from Deepak.

3.  Joran has a full scholorship to a school in the us?  Joran's words.  Not Deepak's. IMO

4.  The email Deepak sends on the 6th stating that they are almost off the hook.  2 security guards arrested.  He's feeling pretty confident now.  Prolly Deepak's words.  In this second email there is no bragging statements about Joran.  Joran prolly wasn't there when this email was send.

I'd put money that Joran and Deepak wrote the 1st email together.

JMHO

I hate them all.

Rock On!!

This has been my thought, as well.  What was her purpose in doing this from the get-go?

Thanks, Klaas....I asked this once before and you noted that it was no longer available, iirc.  I also just checked and the Kalpoe attorneys are located in Chicago, as well.  Just makes me say....mmmmmmmmmmm and also lean towards Posner connection....jmo. (just a suspicion, no facts on how this all came to be)

Snoopy - All great points. In the police van conversation, Deepak says that Joran can kiss that scholarship goodbye.

If Deepak really believes that Joran has a full scholarship - that had to come from some one that was able to convince him of that fact. Even he knows Joran lies his butt off. Maybe Paulus... during the pool-side chat told Deepak that????

Per WW today at RU:

You picked up on the same things I noticed.  Deepak resented Joran's bragging about his accomplishments and his rewards.  There is no way Deepak would volunteer any good info on Joran.  Makes Joran look good and Deepak not.

I agree that Deepak and probably Joran both composed the email.  I also think WW used the name Betty in her first email to Deepak.  I think she is the one who was corresponding with Deepak.  Unless she is a little old lady, there ain't no little old lady.

Yea I can see them all sitting by the pool.  Paulus is on the pnone with Anita cause she runs the show.  Paulus sweating so bad it's keeping the pool full, and him telling the boys oh Deepak you must protect Joran.  He's such a good boy.  Mommy says he's such a sporter and all. You don't want him to lose his scholorship do you ya loser.  You stay at the internet cafe.  I'll buy it for you if you help us.  You were there too.  You're just as guilty.    Don't worry boys no body no case.  Think how bad this will be for Aruba if this gets out what you did to her.  I'm a judge don't ya know.  I'll throw you under the bus if you don't do exactly as I say.  Your mama says everybody lies.  I'll pay for your attorneys. I'll send Joran with you to make sure you put all the important stuff in the email. azzwipes.

Dang now I'm pizzed. 

Justice for Natalee

Sounds so logical....doesn't it?

Sounds very logical.  BTW good to see you back Magnolia.

I suspect that Dr. Hodges never thought his source would get so much scrutiny. hmmmmm.

Thanks Snoopy!  I had picked up on the very things you picked out of the email.
Those things did not come from Deepak. IMO

Here is part 3 of the 6 part series from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 3
 
Paulus van der Sloot gave numerous conflicting statements about his activities between the hours of 4:00 pm and 8:00 pm the night of May 30th, 2005.

What was really transpiring during that time?


We surmise that Paulus had retrieved monies during his second trip to the CMB bank that afternoon - and the next few hours of his time were spent in such nefarious ways that he deliberately caused massive confusion about his own timeline.

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FISHERMAN'S HUTS ARE BROKEN INTO, AND ITEMS ARE STOLEN

According to Police the huts were broken into around the time of her disappearance; a large knife and a huge steel fishing cage were stolen
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

DOMPIG: What is officially reported as stolen, though, is a big knife, and out of one of the fisher—fisherman‘s huts or—yes, where they keep their stuff, you could say. And that‘s the basis for us to search in the ocean.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9827906/

THERE IS A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH IN BETWEEN THE HOLIDAY INN AND THE MARRIOTT

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Coming from the holiday inn, continue straight for another hundred yards. turn left and head towards large construction mess at Marriott Surf.
then turn left and follow straight. parking will be on the right near the boat ramp and slips
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php=3ft=3d59


Here's why: Just 300 yards away from the boat launch is a series of fishing huts that have become infamous on the island. In sworn statements, the three lead suspects in Natalee's disappearance -- Joran van der Sl oot, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe -- told Police that they left Natalee at those fishing huts the night of her disappearance.
11-5 “America’s Most Wanted” correspondent RICK SEGALL
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

Police have told Dave that the night after Natalee's disappearance [5-30/31], a boat was launched from an input just down the beach from the "Holiday Inn" where Natalee stayed.
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

HOLLOWAY: As far as Natalee's case, no. We did see a cross that somebody erected right there where the boat launch is and had her initials put up on the corner. We took pictures and that was the last day I stayed on the island.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/11/lkl.01.html

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PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED OFF JORAN AT THE RACQUET CLUB, WENT HOME, HAD DINNER WITH THE BOYS AND WENT TO BED

I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed.
PVDS 6-18


PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB AND WENT HOME

I cannot say because after I had dropped him off, I went home.
PVDS 6-23

Rita, the van der Sloot maid was at the home at 4:30 pm that day. Was she still there at this time, and could her knowledge have been a cause for Paulus to become so forgetful about his actions?

PAULUS CHANGES THE DROP OFF TIME, AND WENT HOME AND HAD DINNER WITH THE OTHER TWO BOYS

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. He had told me that he would afterwards be going to the Wyndham Hotel because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held. I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed.
PVDS 6-18


Paulus must have been seen making his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve the bag Joran had left there for him, in readiness for the trip to sea with Miss Holloway's remains, and tries to explain away his actions.

PAULUS SAYS HE WENT HOME AFTER DROPPING OFF JORAN - WAS HOME AT 6:00

CANNOT NOW REMEMBER WHETHER HE DROPPED JORAN'S BAG OFF LATER

ALSO NOW CANNOT REMEMBER WHETHER HE PICKED UP HIS TWO OTHER SONS

To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Raquet Club”
to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following.
I cannot remember. To the best of my recollection I did not return to the
“Raquet Club” after I dropped off Joran.

I am not 100% sure of that. But if I had gone back to then it would
not have been to pick up the bag alone but also to bring Joran home.
At approximately 18.00 on Monday May 30th 2005 I would have been home.
I cannot remember anymore if I picked up Sebastian and Valentijn or whether they were dropped off at our home because during the time Anita was away there was not fixed structure to that. I think I did eat dinner with Valentijn
and Sebastian.
PVDS 6-23

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED OFF THE BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB AT 8:00 AND THINKS HE GOES TO PICK UP SEBASTIAN, BUT HE IS NOT CERTAIN

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family. Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head, but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these things. I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact
PVDS 6-25

Remember Joran stated he asked for Paulus' permission to play in the tournament over the phone, not in person. What was the real reason for that phone call?

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED THE BAG OFFTO JORAN AT 8:00 WHILE JORAN WAS WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Racquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Racquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up.
PVDS 6-25


By this time, the disposal of Miss Holloway's remains has been completed, and Paulus has moved on to problem number two. How to protect his son from having administered a date rape drug to his victim, by educating himself on the effects of those drugs.

8:34-8:37 ACCORDING TO A POLICE REPORT PAULUS IS SUPPOSEDLY ON THE INTERNET LOOKING UP DRUGS, ETC

According to an ARUBAN Police report (available here; Thank You and Hat Tip to “klaasend”) analyzing the computer hardrive records of the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT home computer that was found during the June 15, 2005 search and seizure to be physically located inside the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT main home, someone logged onto the computer as Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, and logs into several Internet pages via separate Google image searches of the words “alcohol,” then “alcohol“ and “beer,” then “drugs.” Links clicked on to open were for alcohol and drugs, and an attorney’s site. Several computer-HTML images were also uploaded to the Suspects SLOOT’s computer hardrive into a file entitled, “alcohol.”
AOL TIMELINE
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

and somehow the internet cafe got transferred to Mr. Ramirez. Looks like a pay off. Always did.

The one reason that I can not accept that Joran and Deepak alone wrote the email, was because Paulus was running the show from the first minutes. He has to he knew he was on that casino video. He has a vested interest beyond protecting his son. So Paulus know Joran is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and even gets word to him in jail not to talk. So he or Anita are giving all the orders. I just can't see how anyone would allow Joran or Deepak to compose an important email without implicating themselves.

Seems like a big risk for a guy that said no corpse - no case. In others words, Paulus goes to all the trouble to making sure there is not enough evidence (lacking body - having his buddies block the search of his house) and then allowing an email to go out without him or Anita really knowing all about it? Seems very risky imo.

Since I have never read Dave's book, would someone that does have it tell me who the police officer was that told Dave about the boat?  I would really appreciate it. TIA

Good point Rob.  Perhaps Paulus didn't know that Deepak and Joran sent "Betty" an email.  Maybe Paulus didn't have Joran "under control" yet.  Can't see how Paulus would knowingly allow any communication with an outside source.  Joran does/gets what Joran wants.

Sorry Lala's I don't have the book here with me.  Can't remember.

Klaas      Thank you for bringing over Natalees Freebirds.  They are amazing

Thanks Snoopy. Maybe Deepak was dumb enough to think that email exonerated him of any guilt?  Then again he is still in Aruba and working in a family owned business.  Maybe he did get his reward for towing the party line.   :roll:

It's not over yet.  Don't give up hope.  Justice is coming.

Prolly?   P-r-o-b-a-b-l-y  = probably.

 :)  Not sure if you are agreeing with Rob or giving  English 101....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prolly

1. Prolly  237 up, 34 down 
 
 Shortened version of "probably". Typically used in online conversations, although REALLY lazy people have started using it in verbal conversations as well...

I'm feeling lazy so I prolly won't bother doing homework.

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2. prolly  115 up, 24 down 
 
 Web-slang abbreviation of "probably". Used extensively in forums and instant messsaging worldwide.

Red: I'll prolly cream my shorts when they release Halo 2.
Blue: You're such a cockbite.

by SticKboy Apr 14, 2004 email it
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 new word for probably.

I prolly have forgotten any basic English I learned in school.

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Anywhoo- :lol:

A-N-Y-W-H-O-O = L-M-A-O

On Freebirds latest post, I thought Joran rode the school bus to the racquet club.  Anyone else remember it that way?  I prolly have that wrong.   come across


 :D

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hiya Monkeys! Work is Hell

with some editing rights from Anita  ^5

WW is part of the 'let's frame Deepak' team, imo. Always thought that when I read her posts. Then I found the 'ignore' button. :lol:

JMO

Hi Ya Kimmy! :)

 :lol: :lol: :P :cool: :lol: :lol:

Oh, brother!

She needs to take Deepaks' advice and stop the bs already.

Lo and behold?  My, what a coincidence.

Here is Natalee's Freebirds, In the Face of Evil part 3 in Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HcDGFWYsY

Great Music!  It makes ole sweaty Paulus even more frightening.
Gave me chills.

Jurassic Park  :wink:

Who would have guessed?  It is perfect!

Finding the music is the hardest part.  Looking now for music for part 4.  There are 6 parts all together.

Great job, klaas.

A very powerful combination of forces.  :cool:

AVOID ARUBA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

and Anita through Paulus drills in the fact that Satish and Deepak are adults and Joran is a minor.  The punishment for involving Joran will be bad for them.  They better cooperate.

How many times did Anita say, "there were adults there".  I believe this was her twisting the knife into the K2.

Buckeye, I agree whole heartedly.  Does anyone think that Shango was talking about K2 when he said something about omerta?  In the statements I read from Joran's  book, it looks like Deepak was not going to sell Joran down the road, like Joran did to him.  They won't talk because they don't trust the family VDS, and Joran has already threatened them.  I bet K2's mother got fired as a warning from the job she had.  JMO

Including her husband who was the oldest of the adults present when he made the decision to let Natalee die in Anita's own home.

I believe Deepak wasn't going to sell Joran out at first.  At some point which I believe was the day of a confession Deepak found out what Paulus and Joran were planning.  Deepak took it into his own hands and confessed as to what happened.  But when he confessed he did it in front of an FBI agent.  This is when everything changed.  Deepak isn't afraid of the Sloots.  He makes that quite clear in the police car tape.  He is even laughing in Joran's face.  What Deepak is afraid of is the higher powers in this coverup.  JMO.

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Vander straten informed ppress dutch...of al information and informed them that the case has been solved, and will give less htan 24 hours to announce the result...and aparently theirs many police that are moving towards area of marriott hotel completely CLOSED no one is allowed they are searchign something either them or the dogs are searchign somethign or if Natalee is here....it iis not known what is happeneing 

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They have sealed off the entire north-of-the-marriott area and are searching heavily

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K-9 unit on site.....

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now we know why the Kalpoes said they dropped Joran at the marriott.  They left something there and want to blame him.

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Here not Teo speaking but want to let you guys know that...

Van Straten (note: he is Dutch) head of police on Aruba told a Dutch reporter in Holland that the case is solved. But will not tell the local press what is the latest news.

In order to understand this you will have to understand first that there has always been a gape between Dutch people and Arubians, because there are Dutch people on Aruba that treath Arubians as less. And most Arubian are threated the same way in Holland

Top Fm is anouncing that the area next to Mariot is being search.
And that Van Staten said that he will accounce the breaking of the case official today.

SW