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Perhaps I can beat Robots!

Fox is doing an update it seems every fifteen minutes.  Aruba is not going to like that.  I wonder if they know this is once again THE top story being reported today.

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Caso di suicidio a ser registra na Pavia        
Saturday, 24 November 2007 

Diasabra anochi a drenta e informacion cu na Pavia un caballero lo a disidi di pone fin na su bida. Testigonan ta bisa cu e caballero lo tatin problemanan di pareha, pero esaki no ta un confirma. Nos tin entendi cu e caballero lo a hasi uso di veneno pa asina pone un fin na su bida. Forza na su famia y conocirnan cu e perdida aki.

Through translator:

caso of suicidio owing to being registra at pavia

saturday, 24 november 2007

saturday night owing to enter the informacion cu at pavia one caballero will owing to disidi of place end at his life. testigonan is tell cu the caballero will tatin problemanan of pareha, but this do not one confirma. we have entendi cu the caballero will owing to make usage of poison for so place one end at his life. forza at his family y conocirnan cu the perdida here. come across
 

From BFN:

A spike in the number of "suicides" might be an indicator that this thing is real

Do we have confirmation that Beth is going to Aruba?  I understand Dave is not and never believed Jug and Mitch already there.

So is Beth the only one going and is that for certain?  I wonder what reception Greta is going to get this time.  Won't be nice.  But she tends to believe the Sporter, HA!  So why should they be rude to HER?

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

The candles are going out again. Please light a candle for Natalee, her family, TES, and all of those working for a resolution in this case.  :smt052

Good Day Monkeys  :smt006

It has been busy here.
This quote from the FP 
Just does not make since to me..  ???
Not be in whos interest... J2k's.... What would LE do to them if they do not talk ?

Someone really needs to tell Jenna aka Resorttownmom at RU to give it up already.

i think paulus is spinning

what is the average weekly "suicide" rate in Aruba? 2 or 3 a week?

Mishy - thanks again for the reminder!

What happened to all the credible witnesses that Natalee was wisked off the island on the Med Jet?  Their own prosecutor doesn't seem to believe that one.  Perhaps Julia should share her information with him and get arrested for obstructing justice.

Just an idea. . .

think she will try to interview murder...  or I mean Nadra?? :lol:

i think what he is saying is

the EVIEDENCE is overwhelming, if k2 and joran want to continue to deny, GO AHEAD
but the judge in the trial will see it and the end result will be the same

they are going to jail

they can make it easy on all other people such as parents and friends or they can make if difficult

their choice

the end result is the same

 :cool:

Would almost make one think they weren't really HAPPY at all.  Except for the left hand in pocket, of course.   :2doh:

I wonder if the Kalpoes are reported as feeling depressed.   :shock:

Is she the one who was on this forum for awhile? Now I can't remember what theory she was pushing LOL!

lets see, last time they didnt talk, the cops just let them go.  Seems like the LE is about as tough as a paper tiger.

I am beginning to think Mos is saying their silence will be taken as agreeing with his findings.  If they do not speak and dispute them, that will be taken as having nothing to refute what he is claiming.

MO but I do wonder if that is what he means.

Mos looks tough to me, quite unlike Karen of the Cowgirls who was only tough on innocent security guards.

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Morning monkeys!

Great front-page article SM and thanks to EURobert for continuing contributions. 

Where's Paulus?  Has he been dragged in yet?  There's the heart of the story......with Paulus.
I hope he's being monitored if he's not in custody yet.  Bet the media will keep tabs on him for us.

In addition to the admission that Joran had drugged and raped a girlfriend, and that these guys have a routine of drugging and gang-raping tourists, I thought this portion of front page article was veeeeeeery interesting to see in print:

Gaps

Although earlier it was already clear that the investigation especially in the period shortly after the disappearance had big gaps in it, the new police team also encountered many shortcomings in the initial investigation. “For example, on key points there wasn’t pressed enough for their answers or reports of phonetaps were not fully written down. For instance: on a particular conversation in the transcript was put “it is not relevant”, and therefore not literally written down. Now we have listened to a number of interviews again, we see - in combination with the new research - indeed new suspicions rise up, “says a Dutch detective.

Finally, an admission that the three were never asked any difficult or follow-up questions in their previous "interrogations".  The statements were not accurately recorded in the PV's (lame ass "summaries" they were).  Information from the questioning was not written down or otherwise mentioned because someone made the executive decision that it was not relevant.

Is this how you spell cover-up and Dennis Jacobs.  Thanks to the great work by Natalee's Freebirds, we know that most of the key PV's were taken and recorded by DENNIS JACOBS.

Robots
Hope you are correct... but I don't think so... Otherwise why not say we are planning on thaking them to court?  vs "we have not yet decided " ?

i guess the reason the people are so happy on the island is because if 80 percent of them are doing CRANK or CRACK they would be happy until the dealer runs out
then they become depressed because they have to switch to ALCOHOL


i can see why they are UNHAPPY at times

good question, my guess is they are hoping the admissions come soon

then no need for trial  :cool:

if they want a trial - LETS GO

I was thinking last night - is this all just some big game to save Aruba and the Kalpoe's some embarrassment in the Dr Phil case?  I havent really been following whats going on in that case but last I remember, the judge was pressing the Kalpoes to turn over a bunch of documents and they were refusing.  Could this all just be some way to get out of the Dr Phil thing without having to disclose anything damaging to the island?

Yes with the nickname Resorttownmom.  Her theory has always been runaway. She's still at it at RU under the name of Jenna.

Hiya, Blah! Good to see you!

It's my understanding that Joran has not been able to see either parent, that the suspects are being kept totally separated from each other, K2 isn't allowed to have the same attorney and that their attorneys were not allowed to go to court with them. Also, the chief prospecutor did not give all the content of the gathered evidence to any one of the 3 suspects, in a strategy to withold info that could be supplied by one in regards to another suspect. CORROBORATION supporting the evidence.

Also, re-arresting them at all once again offers Aruba up for world ridicule. They didn't have to do it. There was a meeting in which that was brought up. They chose to "do the right thing". Now, that's a change in attitude!

And, lastly, they planted an "infiltrator" into the group. That took time to develop and we don't know much about that, but that is very solid investigative tactics. While they were at it, they re-analyzed what evidence they had and were able to come up with a different angle. I'm HOPING it's the blood in the car, but I don't know that. The reason I don't know that is because there is solid reasoning not to divulge what they've gathered. They have gone to great lengths to control knowledge of what they hold in hopes it will thwart preparation for interrogation.

I'm hoping, and truthfully I believe, that the effort the chief prosecutor is making is an honest, earnest one. The judge's part is pending..........we'll see. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic, and so far, there's reason to be, IMO.

Helen
Yes ... It sounds like the Dutch investigatiors  found a lot of info in the case files that Aruba just "Overlooked" and even kinda went WTF  was going on there. 

As for Paulis and others...I'm hoping the Dutch have them on the list... just waiting for some other tid-bit from one of the three. 
JMO

But it ruins their whole case, Blah.  How can Dr Phil be damaging their reputations when the Aruban Prosecutor is saying what he said and more?

The Prosecutor can't just say he is going to charge them without giving them the opportunity to  respond to charges.  That's basic due process and we have the same thing.

He has to at least give them the opportunity to address his accusations against them before saying he is charging them.

As I understand their strange system, once charges are brought, there is almost always a conviction.  I hope I am right about this. 

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Coverup

"Finally, an admission that the three were never asked any difficult or follow-up questions in their previous "interrogations".  The statements were not accurately recorded in the PV's (lame ass "summaries" they were).  Information from the questioning was not written down or otherwise mentioned because someone made the executive decision that it was not relevant."

If this isn't a clear admission of a coverup I don't know what is.

Oh, I almost forgot! Robots got his cigar out and lit it, and we're all reserving spots on the street to watch Angie run nekky down the street, so, as Robots would say, it's over!  :lol:

I was thinking that this provides a way for the Kalpoes to drop the case against Dr Phil without having to hand over documents that would damage the island.  Once they are out of that mess, the prosecutors in Aruba and close the case in Aruba stating lack of evidence or whatever.  Aruba slides out of the whole mess without further damage.

I am kinda curious come Dec 7th cali court case if the brothers are still in jail
wonder if that will have any pull with having that case dismissed??

what do you think

That has been obvious since the very beginning. So many holes in that first Investigation and they will never ever be able to explain it without confirming that it was a coverup and not idiots at work.

Hiya cbb!!

I sure hope you are right, its just so hard not to believe there is some other motive here, yanno?

Klass,
Are you going to bring the Poll over to this thread?

I think this scenario is quite likely:
They might not have had incriminating wiretaps against Paulus until this past Wednesday when Joran was re-arrested. It would be VERY interesting to see the content of Paulus' conversations (and with whom) since then!!!

All three suspects are being held in separate police stations. They are not allowed visitors. Joran's hearing will be at an undisclosed location tomorrow. FOX NEWS

Fox is doing live updates hourly.

OMG Klaas...I was about ready to post the same thing!! Pathetic.

I'm not sure I can move it...let me try.

ya think Paulus owns one of those "Cones of Silence" (like from "Get Smart")?

OK - as far as I can tell I can't move the poll over here.  Should I just start a new one and people can revote?

Ok... I'm confused as usual..

in the last thread  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2383.760  page 39
******* posted some from RU


the source in in Dutch...  http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606498/Arubaans_offensief_in_zaak-Holloway.html?p=20,1   
which does contain "onderzoeksmateriaal niet verkregen door infiltratie" which babblefish says is "research material did not obtain by infiltration"

As far as the wire taps... I saw some where that a magistrate had to approve them.. So recording conversations in the 1st few days  would have been impossilbe.( :smt093 ) JMO of course

Oh, Blah, I know exactly where you are coming from. That's why I'm very careful to say SO FAR! I am sincerely impressed with this prosecutor, but my toes curled when Joran was sent back to Aruba, and when K2 were put before an Aruban judge. This I am sure of: if the judges let these guys go in the face of more compelling evidence than there was, there will be fall out. They really are taking a risk.

And call it whatever, this prosecutor does not in any way seem "slimy", or a spin master. He's the only one in the case that hasn't. It's an impression, and I know that can be misleading, but it's a strong impression, and I think I share that opinion with lots of others.  :wink:

If Paulus had any kind of brain, he would not speak on the phone at all during this time, rather meet with anybody he needs to speak with about this case in a private location...

Guess whoever Destiny spoke to yesterday was either another liar or just completely misinformed... :smt102

A couple of things here --
(1) ALE always claimed that the 3 WERE trailed/surveiled the first few days.
(2) There has always been a rumor that Paulus was already being wire-tapped BEFORE Natalee went missing (perhaps by DEA)

We have questioned from the beginning how eight hours of alleged interrogation resulted in two pages of statement.  So now we know.  It was just as we suspected.  They just typed down at the end of the day what the interrogator wanted to.  Not very professional or even legal I would think.

And I can just see some Aruban with the earphones on fast asleep while supposedly tapping phones.  But the fact the Dutch listend to that seems to indicate they are serious.  Yes, it is an admission of sorts of a cover up in a way.  At least a lame attempt at investigating by ALE, lamest I have ever seen in fact to ignore what the suspects said.

They would just have let this slide into oblivion if they were not at least seriously trying, Blah, IMO.  ITA - I tend to agree.  Have you watched Mos on TV interviews?  He may be fooling me but he doesn't look like the type that plays games.  I don't think he would hesitate to throw Paulus in the slammer if he crosses the line in trying to contact Sporter, either.  Note Paulus said he had the right but is reportedly not trying to do so for some odd reason.

Wonder what Joran the Teenaged Alcoholic would give for a nice stiff drink about now?

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Couldn't vouch for either story, Mishy. I'm just relaying what was said. :smt102

Just posted on the front page of SM:    :lol:

http://www.rottenneighbor.com/story.php?id=57317

There was a different picture of Joran at the airport on FOX. No, you couldn't see handcuffs, but he was standing and his hands were behind his back. It was taking head on and it looked possible that he was in handcuffs.

If he was I want to see him in handcuffs!!!  :D

Well, I don't know.  I likes the fact so many had voted since there are those who claim there are only eight of us here.  You know best!

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Done.  Thanks for the reminder.

Mico the Monkey or Freddy  :lol:

I can do a screen capture of the old poll and start a new poll.

 :lol:

:smt045 :cheers: :smt046

Anna,
I have seen 2 short interviews of Mos.  I tend to agree that he could possibly be a good guy.  I especially like the fact that he is talking to the press directly rather than sending out the circus clowns (shipper, cohen, etc..)

But with that said, this is still Aruba and we have seen it all before.  Not a single person on that island has turned out to be anything but a lying POS. 

It could turn out that Mos is the only good guy on the island, but that still doesnt do anyone much good if he has to go in front of corrupt judge friends of the van der sloots.

I would just start a whole new "updated" poll with every new thread -- our opinions change with each day anyways!

Time to get some stuff done around here  :sad:
Keep the faith..... 
SeeyaByeee

At the beginning of this latest round-up of Y2K, last Wednesday, we heard that the evidence was "explosive" and that there was new evidence and "old evidence that had been misinterrputed". 

The Dutch tested cell phone calls from the Kalpoe's home. 

The evidence that had been misinterrupted, but that has now been interrupted correctly, is the cell phone calls/text messages.

imo

Cover-up - an effort or strategy of concealment, especially a planned effort to prevent something potentially scandalous from becoming public.

There are no better words to describe PAULUS, ANITA, Y2K, ALE, etc., etc., etc.

Can't move the poll over.  I reworded the new poll a bit.  May not have been an actual infiltrator but simply a friend.

Here are the results of yesterdays poll:

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Now, that's true.  I have changed my vote three times already!  Yes, keeping it current would be an advantage as details come to light and we think more on them.

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DEEPAK’S AND VAN DER SLOOT’S COMPUTERS:
Dompig says surveillance of the three boys began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing and included observation, telephone wire taps, and even monitoring of their e-mail. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page3.shtml

* Deepak’s home computer:  Every Geek knows that every access to the Internet is via a unique IP address (Internet Protocol Address).  Deepak’s home computer is no different whether it be dial-up access or hi-speed DSL or Cable access. Again the ISP (Internet Service Provider) in Aruba (most probably Setar) should have recorded the bandwidth consumption a/k/a amount of Internet activity consumed by a particular address during certain hours of certain days.   Now keep in mind 2 things concerning IP address activity: 

a) Even if they left the computer on all the time, the IP address would show some minimal activity from the connection periodically checking it’s internet connection. This is however usually highly distinguishable from it’s activity pattern versus active keystroke and mouse clicking activities. 

From Satish's lawyer the other night on the show, we learned that someone was on the Internet at the Kalpoe residence from 2 a.m. to 3 a.m. Why did that person get off the Internet at 3 a.m.? Note that 3 a.m. is the exact time that Joran van der Sloot's (search) second call went to Deepak's cell phone (the first was 2:40 a.m.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166978,00.html


* Lincoln Gomez is on the board of directors for Charles Croes cell phone company.

instead of being 'overlooked' they should have been looking 'over here' (SM :lol:) for the truth  :cool:

I think a lot you guys and gals have missed a major point. Regardless of an 'infiltrator' or wiretaps, Mos has made a huge leap - Natalee is not alive. A major series of crimes have been committed and Natalee is the VICTIM. A CRIME VICTIM.

Now how in the heck is he gonna justify that statement if he does not have the evidence to back that up? This guy would go down as the biggest joke in the corrupt history of Aruban Jurisprudence. He's not risking that. I don't see it.

He came right out and said it himself. None of that - we don't talk to the media baloney ala Paulus' lover.

When you have no conflict of interest, Dutch law works (barely) and for the first time we are seeing the TRUE implementation of the Dutch System. I respect that most are skeptical... I am also, but Mos has nothing to gain by working the ALE line. He will only be on Aruba for three years unless his contract is re-up. And he's already been there almost a year. He is going back to Holland where he wants to have more than a job pushing pencils like Jansen.

So, irregardless of the wiretaps and infiltrators, Mos has a job do to and I have seen nothing yet to indicate he is nothing but professional and has everyone on Aruba sweating their asses off. That's beautiful.

Afternoon Monkeys.

Re. the friend/infiltrator --

Guido, Koen, and Sander - haven't all of them been residing in The Netherlands lately?

Koen & Sander - family had a boat; Sander lost his phone that night.

(If Natalee was "buried at sea" there HAD to be a boat. Whose?)

There was the interesting matter of Guido's arrest; he was released. Maybe they cut a deal with him? (By "they" I mean KLPD or whoever was running that show.)

Nice to see so many familiar posters, and the new ones as well. I have had a frantic holiday weekend and had trouble keeping up, but for a change have seen many of the TV reports.

It sure seems to me that Karin Janssen made some bold statements and was not held accountable.

I like the one where she stated, they had "more than circumstantial evidence" against the 2.

And she meant the security guards.

I am behind, but was thinking to ask the same.  Noticed the results didn't carry over from the last thread.

Hello, to all.  Leaving for a wedding shortly, and wanted to read up as much as I could beforehand.

There is now world-wide attention on this case. The Aruban tourist trade has taken a hard hit. The Netherlands is watching. Do you think the judges or prosecutor would risk corruption at this point?

96. #87, nychic. They knew every move we made. Our cell phones were monitored, we were followed and some of the people supposedly helping us actually worked for the other side. ie..Charles Croes, Julia Renfro.




Larry Garrison: "NEW INFORMATION COMING FROM ARUBA: A DEEP THROAT COMING FORWARD WITH INFORMATION OF BASICALLY WHO DID IT.
THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IS VERY CREDIBLE. HE IS STILL BRINGING UP OLD NAMES. THE THREE SUSPECTS ARE STILL COMING UP IN THE CONVERSATIONS."

VIDEO:

http://tinyurl.com/yufj6u

I think the "infiltration" might have occurred at the adult level -- someone getting close to Paulus or Anita.Probably not in the LE sphere at all. Maybe a neighbor or coworker at the school.

It is about three boys that lied, and Aruba that is totally corrupt.

Larry Garrison

Comment by Larry Garrison | September 18, 2006

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This may not mean much, but Sander never said he lost his phone...he said his phone was stolen.  The difference in lost and stolen implies that someone else took the phone and it could end up anywhere versus losing a phone would indicate you were at the location where the phone may one day be found.

Since we do not know if that phone was ever located it's impossible to say what really happened to it.  But the timing of the stolen phone is very suspicious.

i think we should make a video and put it on youtube

thanking the DUTCH investigaotors :cool:

Interesting.....Larry Garrison says he's doing due diligence...says Holland know nothing of this....says "he" is bringing old names: the three suspects "and others".  Says its very exciting and they're doing due diligence.

Exactly...because she knew Paulus was involved in this over his eyeballs. Protect the ones you love  :roll:

perhaps when all is said and done...too soon for that now.

You said it!  We listen to the media reports that the THREE are being re-interviewed, as in additional questioning.  IMO they are being interrogated for the FIRST TIME.   They skated right through that ridiculous sham of an investigation 2 1/2 years ago.  If the Dutch are serious about this, they should be having a completely different experience regarding their "questioning".

I believe the re-analysis of evidence has much to do with the stupid text messages the perps sent to each other to try and establish their timelines.  I suspect a text message such as "I'm home", that pinged off a tower no-where near to home, are the contradictions the Dutch team have looked at.  They know exactly where the perps were that night, and Paulus too. 

I hope the Dutch have investigated the previous "investigators".

If the original investigators were on top of things they would have known right away that Paulus did not pick Joran up at 11:00 because Joran was home on the computer at 10:33.  I think Joran left that casino with Paulus and I also believe that can be proven when looking at the casino security tape.  I think Paulus was right there at that table with Joran and the MB kids that night.

I heard on FOX News that the three suspects are being interrorgated all weekend long.    :D

Woo hoo!  I hope they do interrogate them all weekend.  We will have bawling and broken babies by Monday morning.  The truth will be out of their own mouths, then.  I do think the reanalysis of evidence might have included new forensic analysis of Deepak's car.  What do wanna bet the cleaning fluid and chocolate turned back into blood? 

Someone will have to help me here...I have been reading those Deepak emails again and for the life of me can not see how there is any confession hidden in them...they seem so benign...maybe I should analyze them line by line...but it still eludes me at this time.  Has anyone else found what they think is the confession and location of a body?  I know I read that Hodges claimed that in his book or maybe not.

If those previous statements are so contradictory, and we have pointed out the inconsistencies, then how can you give any credit to those emails which, to me, seem to echo the same story line as the PVs? I need help understanding it all, please.

Interrogated all weekend and Joran doesn't go before the judge until next week.  He will be a mess by then.  I hope.

You're right Truthseeker.  I would make one change:  The investigators DID KNOW that Paulus was not where he said he was.

I don't take a lot of stock into what Hodge's says.  Anyone can read into anything and see what they want to see.  Like going to a phsyciatrist; all they are good for is to give their own opinion.  You can go to 5 different ones and come up with 5 different diagnosis

Do we have all of the emails that Deepak sent to 'Betty'?  I have copies of two of them and I have to agree with you.  It's difficult to see anything in those.  The ones I have are when Deepak is telling the original lie and even says that Natalee approached Joran to win her money back which we now know was not the case.  The other email I have is about the arrest of the innocent security guards.  The only thing that stood out to me was where Deepak said "we are almost off the hook".  I just thought that sounded like someone who thought he was about to get away with something.

I expect Paulus to be implicated soon.  Let's hope it's very soon.

Congratulations to Natalee!! Sounds like they are indeed being interrogated for the first time..Sadly she deserved a real Investigation 30 months ago..I wish those Interrogators the best of luck and pray to god for a breakthrough..

Thoughtprints Lala's. You really need the book to know what he means. I still have not been able to read it cover to cover...it is over my head, but I do 'get' the concept. Like talking in code. Saying one thing but it can be interpreted another way...hard to explain.

I'm hoping for this too, but am a bit leery about that happening.  Since he wasn't brought in with the J2K, I'm hoping he is being left to sweat it out a while (literally!).  I wonder about when Anita and Val being brought in a couple of weeks ago for interviews.  It would seem that would be a tip off, but as arrogant as that family has been, maybe they thought things were just fine and the interviews were to wind things up for the end of the year.  (A false sense of security).  I hope no deal has been made for Paulus under the table. 

I so agree with you, *******.  This is long overdue, but at least it is finally happening.  For the past 2 1/2 years we have all come together to fight for justice; Natalee has become "our" daughter in a sense.  There hasn't been one day where I haven't thought of or prayed for Natalee, Beth and Dave at least once, and when this is all over everyone can finally have some sense of peace.  But it will never truely be over.  Natalee has wedged herself into our hearts and there she will stay for eternity.

Glad I am not the only person that thinks this...the first statement by each of these guys is based on lies...okay, okay, there is a little truth interspersed, but I don't see any confession there.  It must be me. 

What if the prosecutor has seen the proof now that Deepak did indeed admit to all of them having sex with Natalee from the Skeeters hard drive?

Well, pick a place and tell me where the thoughtprints are in the email and tell me how it is interpreted.  I want to understand this. Please.

Might be good to make a video of thousands of Americans cheering the Dutch, and "GO HANS MOS!"

WOW..Well said Katysmom!

Lala's....go here and you can search inside the book to get an idea of what it means.
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Deep-Hidden-Confession-Natalees/dp/1961725533

Thanks.

Or he will be well coached.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, now THAT would be multi-jurisdictional, something you could see.

I'm thinking it could be just another piece of the puzzle.  Sure would put a crimp in K2's lawsuit too  :lol:

Should we go on and on about how handsome Hans Mos is the way some of the male posters did about Arlene?  He is very handsome.

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 :lol:

I wouldn't care if he looked like Quasimoto as long as Natalee and her family finally get justice  :wink:

I like his air of authority and confidence.  He communicates that he knows exactly what he is doing and that he is doing the right thing, in the right way.  He seems very cool, calm and collected to me--a person of integrity who is doing his job.  He has no problem talking to the media and knows exactly when to say he cannot comment on one thing or another, in a polite manner.  If the authorities on Aruba had talked to the media in this manner in the beginning....  but nevermind.  They did not have the qualities that Hans Mos possesses (sp?).

I concur.

Is there a special thread for all the interviews and sound bites from Mos?  I would like to listen again, TIA.

Reasons I think this time IS different:

-no "courtesy call" to Paulus & Anita, caught totally off-guard
-no "clarifying" of info by suspects prior to arrests, confronted with evidence while under arrest
-all the usual AHATA "spinners" out of the loop, and conspiciously absent
-Hans Mos interviews show him confident
-JQK is confident in recent interviews, but conspicuously absent now
-Taco and his bulldog are spinning and in meltdowns
-J2K attorney caught on tape, also seems desperate
-Anita is whining about how unfair it all is

There may be more... but these make me a little more optimistic that this is a REAL investigation.  I am hopeful that something will come of it, and Natalee's family will finally get some real answers. 

I still find JQK amazingly handsome...  The Q in his name gives him a roguish something...  :wink:

I have to get these essays graded... it is so hard to concentrate on work today.  Grrr...I need a Christmas vacation, soon.   :lol:

Lala's - Carpe usually posts all the Youtubes he does in the MEDIA thread which is a sticky right below this thread.

Lala's? Can you please put anyone's name in your book that continues to post while I'm making avatars?  :lol:

Those e-mails of Deepak's being a confession: it may be a confession, but if it is, it's Paulus' because I don't think Deepak wrote them.

(If this point has already been made, it's just because I'm catching up!)  :roll:

 :2doh: I should have known that.  Thank you.

 :lol:Would pretty much wrap up the civil suit. 

The Dutch may want to represent to the rest of the world that they were brought in on a complicated investigation with a "fresh set of eyes" and have uncovered new evidence.  And of course, I'm grateful for the action that is finally being taken.

But the monkeys have always known this was not complicated.  Didn't Deepak admit that he was trying to screw up the investigation before he should have even known that Natalee was missing?  Not the words of a person with no involvement, already in anticipation of an investigation.

This was not complicated and the ALE ignored even the tidbits that fell into their laps, no thanks to their own efforts.

I think MF is under the 'gag order'  :-|

Helen, I agree.  Beth said early on that they practically dumped the three suspects into their laps, and they ignored them and arrested the security guards.  Yes, this should not have been a complicated investigation, but the ALE refused to process evidence and testimony.  I do think the Dutch are practicing a bit of face-saving for their Aruban compadres, but the world knows the truth.

When I think of MF a gag is in order.

I don't know how this is going to pan out but at least we can say that the perps were separated this time and kept in isolation and not forewarned of the arrest. 

This gives me SOME hope.  The fact that we don't really know what the new evidence is is also a good sign that it hasn't really leaked.  It leaves a lot to our imagination so I assume it also leaves a lot to the perps imagination - they could imagine all sorts of things and get more and more worried...hopefully that will make one or more of them talk and if both the Kalpoes talk separately and say the same thing and Joran doesn't talk - that will make him look more guilty unless he talks too finally when confronted with Kalpoe statements - I think they are trying to get one of them to talk and then wear them all down.  The worry here is that the new evidence is not enough to convict - that they need one of them at least to crack....this leaves it all hanging in the balance for now.

Well...the Kalpoes had a hard time telling the same story the first time.  There were several discrepancies in their statements before.  If the current investigators are interested in exposing the truth I'm sure they saw those. 

Hello everyone,

I'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer, but it seems that this evidence must be about the three suspects on the night of the murder. (manslaughter)

It must be new evidence. So, it's probably some physical evidence of the victim from the Sloot home which was a crime scene.

LMAO truthseeker!
Hey....seems peeps are a tad upset over Greta back in Aruba
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3056/6/#jc_allComments
Greta van Susteren na caminda pa Aruba
(the photo is not new, it is the last visit by Greta/Beth)

Hmmm...The last time Greta landed on Aruba the polis stations emptied out.  I wonder who will be guarding the perps when she lands this time?

Who's MF?  (Sorry, my brain isn't working today)

Well, a couple of the comments are quite threatening, to say the least.

SUPPOSEDLY MELODY POSTS at RWV

i appologise for being stubborn

i knew it all along

just seemed hard to believe

Dan I told you ...

Posted by: melody | Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 07:50 PM


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/11/suspects-in-nat.html#comments

A poster from another board.

It was pointed out at RU that the "real" Melody always capitalized the "M"..I don't know if that's true or not.

Thanx! Now I know who you're talking about

Yes, and I think that is right. Doesn't mean it isn't her though. Hard to say. Will the real Melody please stand up?

Has anyone at RWV asked Dan to confirm the poster was 'the' Melody?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/natalee-holloway-watery-grave.html
Here is the link to Dr. Hodges place / site where the details are stated.
It's a long read, but it does give a timeline and who was on what computer, etc according to Dr. Hodges.
I need to find something else that Spock had noticed about what time " Val" logged onto the computer at the Sloots. Another thing we don't know is if a land line telephone was used and there would be no way to find out either.  
Gee, it's busy in here today. Wait until tomorrow ! Yikes ! !

I'm back! The Hodges thing is about the confession he says Deepak made, right? I still don't think Deepak wrote it. It sounded to me as if Paulus wrote it for him.

Katgram.......I have not been able to find you!
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Wait Klaas, I'll do it for you:  :D
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I'm surprised tha Dan posted anything at all about Natalee. He claimed he 'wasn't following the story'!
I don't think he will ever admit he was duped by Julia Renfro!

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I do not believe any of us guys and gals have missed this.....major point re: MOS statement

Posted by Pearl@BFN

rough trans. of dutch:
Several articles on crimesite of nl.  Per one article Joran was taken straight to the KIA Prison.  Also noted that Fox News had video today that did show Joran inside the fenced area of KIA with 2 guards and appeared to be waiting to be let inside.  Same clothes on as shown in Curacao airport pictures.

This article about Renee Gielen:

In its column in the telegraph John of pine write hillock concerning ' journaliste ' Rénee Gielen, which passes back and forth a very remarkable and dubious role in the reporting Natalee Holloway and it is a lot bitten especially on Natalee's mother. I have there also sometimes concerning written. That such ladies freaked out there walk around which sell in local Caribbean flutkrantjes their brain tenon awl, alla. But that a heading if network leaves reportages by this way someone make says a lot of concerning certain characters at network (unfortunately, because they do also goeie things). The column of John is only for telegraph abonnees, but he also stands on www.crimesite.nl (they will have for that authorisation?)

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/

This one questions Joe Tacapino as a lawyer working in Aruba to defend Joran:
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If it frequently concerns Joran of of the ditch and Natalee Hollway, gets I berichtjes, questions and observations of an American who reads a beetje. Yesterday he asked: Sorry to bother you again but I property a question. There are no US case pen thing against Joran, however; his old attorney, Joe Tacopina (WHO is known in the States ash representing "the mob"), still claims to be Joran's attorney. He says he will travel to Aruba for the Monday hearing. He does not seem to be well versed in Dutch law (or well versed, in general). There a mob/cartel risky with Paulus of of the ditch are? Briefly said: there no charge against Joran runs in the US, but its old lawyer is of plan to Aruba, set off whereas he has no verstand of the Dutch legislation. In America he stands confessed because of its work for the mafia. There is a link between the mafia and the father of Joran? It did not think. Second mailtje: According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondence clerk, the evidence are Joran incriminating himself. He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died. They property this on tape. Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has leg posted. Therefore: according to correspondence clerk Eric Mouthaan Joran itself by means of the tel. something has accused passes on concerning the way Natalee would be died, which stands on link. Sorry as everyone it already weet. I not, however, that there talk of was that Natalee be maltreated. Therefore that could be correct. Itself has I no high cap of this new action: it was rapidly this way ready as klontje that the affair was eavesdropped on, you can already complete something from the link jerk and that as proof to use. I hope that there is more…..hendrik Jan

from:  http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5527

This one tells of being taken to KIA

Joran of of the ditch permanently on Aruba Joran of of the ditch, suspected of involvement at the disappearance and dead of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, Saturday morning has arrived round four hours Dutch time on Aruba. That communicates eye witnesses on the fly field. The boy has been transported directly to the prison. Shortly after four hours three blended private cars with high speed left the poorten of the fly field. According to beveiligingsmensen on the spot zat of of the ditch in one of the carriages. Journalists on the Antilles communicate that the Dutchman two had incurred hours delay because he has been changed on Curacao of plane. The Public Prosecution Service (OM) on Aruba was not contactable for comment. According to the expectations of of the ditch Monday to the rechter-commissaris on Aruba is taken before, which will interrogate him further. Possibly thus the lengthening of the provisional detention comes up for discussion. (DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

This one says interrogations started right away ..

Police force interrogates Joran of of the ditch Update 25-11 a team of Dutch and arubaanse inspectors have started Saturday immediately with interrogating the 20 person whose birthday it is Joran of of the ditch. That has confirmed the Public Prosecution Service. The boy who suspected becomes of doodslag or heavy maltreatment, has vannacht arrived on Aruba. America's most Wanted spend wide attention on the new developments around Joran of of the ditch c.s.. Of of the ditch, which is again questioned concerning the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, each contact with the outside world has been denied. He cannot teleview, newspapers read or visit and post to receive. , to him restrictive measures have been imposed '', said to public prosecutor capsule crumb. , he can only speak with its lawyer.' ' Jorans father, Paul of of the ditch, which could him speak as a lawyer, according to her has not submitted an application as a verdediger. Interrogate be according to crumb necessary for the file which is submitted Monday to the rechter-commissaris who decided concerning lengthening of the preservation. , for that we must come with more material on table. How further in the process, how we must more.' ' Friday the judge the voorarrest of the two medeverdachten, the brothers D. and S. K.met have extended eight days. The brothers were heard on several locations on Aruba prevent that there is some contact that of influence can be on their declarations. see also: ' after a couple months will talk you, however, ' Here Article reads arubaans offensive in matter holloway Here Article reads Joran by means of sneak route on Aruba

This one mentions drugging and having sex with girls +

' Joran have to explain many ' Joran of of the ditch have to according to justice sources explain ' much '. The Dutchman will be interrogated firmly concerning its role in the vermissing of Natalee Holloway. To its body Monday is gezocht. American two years disappeared suffered. The new search, which starts Monday, is an initiative of father Dave Holloway, who has been tested-fly after head hoofdverdachte Joram Friday evening was brought by justice to Aruba. This the press communicates today. An inspector who has been involved in the new study into the role of Joran of of the ditch says Sunday in the telegraph that the Dutchman has ' on a number of important points still as lot of to explain '. As the data which have been now listed, also already during first arrest confessed products, then he had been never put by the judge on free feet. There zat other inspector say in the file then we to dachten."Een much more in the newspaper that rather ex-vriendinnetje will have violated Joran. The little girl will have confessed that at a therapeut, but wild then no declaration lets do because they was still amorously on Joran to research teams earlier to the matter let twinges fall. Thus was not well kept on asking and were not covered of tel.-tapering entirely developed, thus the inspector in the telegraph. Then concerning a certain conversation in the warrant it was put there that had not been not litterally reflected relevant and for this reason. Now we a number of listens to conversations again, we - in combination with the new research data - let us see really new suspicions oprijzen."Politie and justice goes there from that Joran and is friends Deepak and Satish K. had thought more earlier sex with little girls after they had doped them according to the Dutch Public Prosecution Service depend it of the declarations of Joran and the brothers K. the coming days or they are brought for the judge. If they do not continue be silent that their matter according to Om-woordvoerder Hans mos of it also stronger on maken'. of the ditch will arrive Friday evening under enormous medium interest on Aruba. Also two friends Deepak and Satish K. are is heard. Three can absolutely no contact prevent more with each other have to that they coordinate again declarations the 20 person whose birthday it is of of the ditch, which was arrested Thursday in arnhem, Monday is taken before. Public Prosecution Service says proofs have that Natalee in life is no longer. Them was seen for last on 30 May 2005, then they in the company of three suspected a bar left

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5531

thanks Kermit.....I notice LG specifically says HE

I sure hope it's by dutch interrogators and not aruban

I hope they keep them separated and use each other against each other...

I'm glad someone else is questioning why the American networks are interviewing Tacopina and his associate as "Joran's lawyers."  This is just not right--blatantly false impression created that they currently represent Joran in the death of Natalee Holloway.  They do not represent Joran in Aruba and never have.  This really bugs me.

True, AZ - he doesn't even have standing in Aruba unless there has been an "ad hoc vice" granted, and we don't see those in the files....


I wanted to spew all over my tv when I heard him and Renfro talking on Wednesday....

I have managed to miss Julia throughout this whole thing! Were they on together??  :shock: Are you feeling better, Mrs. Red?

hahahahaha...prayers really are answered :shock:

lol, i know exactly what you mean.  seeing either one of them is nauseating enough, but back to back like that is way to many buckets of horse apples to have to swallow at one time.  that doesn't even touch the blood pressure spike they cause.
dennisintn

I've only read two of the Betty emails, too.  Are there six of them? Are they in Dr. Hodges' book?

Thanks CBB I am feeling better..... just very tired -

 
Renfro was on and then Tacopino was on Fox on Wednesday afternoon...they were both spinning out of control....it was nausating... might be what made me sick... :shock:

seriously, they were both spinning beyond control.... tacky joe was saying how this was nothing new and the boys would be exhonorated and that it was just harrassment.

this person Amelia is a certified IDIOT


Amelia said: _
     Let the CIRCUS begin again. But don't worry.. This time.. we are ready!. You will reach brick walls everywhere. It will be done our way.. and done good!
November 25, 2007

it was done THEIR way last time....this time it will be done right and legally

Hi Lala'sMom,  I saw Hodges on CNN yesterday and he made it seem like when Deepak wrote, his words somehow became a tangible result of his inner thoughts, and it was not something he planned to do, but came from his subconscious.  The word in itself 'Thoughtprints' is such a perfect way to express this, and Hodges made it sound like Deepak had not only given a confession, but also was telling what happened to her and where she can be found.

I think one would have to have studied this phenom to really understand how it is accomplished with no forethought, and I can't imagine it would hold up for much worth by investigators much less a court of law.

hahahahaha.....they were so frightened of 2 little women......this time they have hundreds of media watching THIER every move

hi Mrs. Red...hope you are feeling better....I think that is exactly what they are doing....

joran has pooped his pants
he is nakid in jail  :cool:

Hey Sunny... it's great to see you!

I would say that I don't care if they waterboard the little a$$bites, but I am sure that would upset someone.... :shock: :shock:

but it's true... these three little evil wastes of time have gotten away with what they did long enough, I am ready to see some justice.

It appears that Satish and Deepak are in separate Police stations and Joran is at KIA.

i think DEEEEEEEEPAK talked to someone on the phone

it was copied

he is done

That would not upset me one bit.   :D

LOL.  He probably called Joran up and told him about the Hodges book and how he thinks he may have screwed up by sending those emails to Betty.  Then Joran probably said...Dude, I wrote those emails you embicile.  They can't possibly prove my thoughts showed up in your email. 

Darn it Robots...I just dropped chocolate ice cream down my white blouse with THAT one....ROTF

Thanks for the links *******.  Dutch must be about as hard to translate as Portuguese!  lol

I am wondering about this girl who was in love with Joran, and couldn't seem to get the jist as to what her involvement with Joran would reflect on Natalee's case.  Is it just to show that he has a pattern of abusing females sexually?  I know that might sound stupid as they now have her testimony, right?  But whether or not the judge will consider that I don't know.

It's good to see you too...and hope you are feeling better...

waterboarding or any effective means of torture doesn't bother me a bit as far as they are concerned...in fact I'd be willing to help!!  they murdered Natalee and MUST PAY

 :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sowwwwwwy  :cool:

:P :lol:

i hope the detective beat the hell out of all 3 of them
and then tell everyone that all 3 of them FELL when they were getting out the car
 :cool:

im not a nice robots  -------some days :-x :-x :-x :-x

Does anyone remember the  order & length of detention periods?

the K's are in for 8 days from last Friday (unless appealed and overturned), then a another hearing  but then ...? 

It will be interesting to see if more people are asked back in for questioning or even detained, this week.

JMO   but Steve C.  would be on the top of my list. 
Offered an alibi  that was false.. (Big ? why... out of the loop or just nuts) but to me it was still a form of "Obstruction" that should be a charagable crime.

Same thing goes for the bars / casinos that knowingly allowed certain activites to occur.

Hey if the Dutch plan on solving this... a little house keeping would not hurt too.
JMO of course

typical response from you!!!!

yep ...I speak truth

Good point about SC.  You would think someone would want to get to the bottom of that one.  Either he was there and privy to the HI lie, or someone told/paid him to lie.  You would think law enforcement would want to know just how SC is really involved.

I got better things to do than argue with you.. and you have had a bug up your ass ever since I exposed your buddy - Joe Mammama as the fraud he is.

you speak the truth HA!

and I would bet, a concerned monkey may have asked a couple of legit Dutch bloggers, to check into Tacopina and Gielen   :wink:

LOL...got you riled did Il....well tough titty......you didn't expose anyone.....it was the other way around....but carry on Rob I need a good laugh today

 hi klass ? for you off topic what happened to  my avi its dissapeared, can you get it back for me. also the time it says im logged in is wrong ive been much more than 3 days ect. ect. any idea whats wrong? s.l.

this is why I and others skip over 99.9999999% of what you post!!!! lmao!!
later tater - back to iggy for you!!!

Don't forget Joe's annual Christmas care package....lol

tah tah robbie....but you still are going to be getting your lamborghni

ooopss that was supposed to be aren't getting you lamborghni...not for any reward money anyway

I'm driving Joe's whiles he's in Jail.....hahahahahahahahah

It's amazing what criminals you'll support . . . do tell . . where do you draw the line?

STOP IT

im lost

Nice! Did you happen to spread the word to any Dutch journalists also? I heard that there is a new Dutch article ripping Gielen a new one.

Enough!! Please try to get along...If you want to discusss this further take it to the musings thread!!!!!!!

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you're really better off that way . . ignoring HER snipes. :lol:

I am soooooooooooooo lost, but it is probably for the best.

sooooo...... how 'bout them Indians?  :P

Fox Channel has a blurb coming up on the case

Nut ~  I'm not lost, and neither are you.  We are on the Natalee Holloway thread over the long Thanksgiving holiday and J2K have been picked up for questioning.  Let's carry on.  Justice for Natalee!

You calling Taco a blurb?

Thanks IBE.  If you catch it, would you let us know what they say?  I don't have access to tv right now.

 :lol: :lol:

It is....

I'd love to know if tacoboy is charging the vandersloots an hourly rate for going on tv and spouting off that the doesn't know what the evidence is...but j is innocent no matter what

LOL.  Well, IBE must be in a good mood if that's all she can think of to call that guy.

Bump

Gielen ripped in Dutch press.

Suspect number expect to appear in court tomorrow.

New evidence Natalee is dead.

panel coming up

self edit

Interesting question Sunny. But wonder just who is paying Joe Tacopino?  Is it the Sloots?  Someone else?  I was thinking maybe he's doing it for the exposure in a high profile case etc.  But maybe not.  Maybe he IS on someone's payroll, just not sure who.

I hate to admit it... but I am lost. Who is Gielen?

panels - (not sure who this guy is - saw him the other day and he didn't know anything) says they are putting pressure on suspects to convince judge - deadline coming up


did not intend to kill her - drugs /  alcohol.

very weak case - and struggling to bring case

The bald guy in this FOX panel seems to think the case is weak, but admits he doesn't know what the new evidence is. 

Dutch / Curacao *journalist* who has teamed up with the likes of Renfro to bash Beth, the family, etc...

omg what a bunch of buttwipes....ACKKKKK :gaah:
Newsflash to media...JORAN DID NOT TURN HIMSELF IN!! ACkkkkkkk! OMG I hate tv.

He didn't sound like knows anymore either.

He's under the impression that Joran was not arrested that it was voluntary  :roll:

that's amazing isn't it that he makes such a statement..he doesn't know what the new evidence is....but he thinks it's a weak case????...his crystal ball only works on one side I guess  :roll:

AHATA

Uh-Huh.  Those little niggling misinformation sniglets traveling around again...If something is said often enough or with enough authority then some believe it's true :--(

Yep, Sunny.  Doesn't know what the new evidence is, but whatever it is, it must be weak.  :roll:

Thanks Igs....

OMG.. At this point I wonder if Joe is sending his friends to be on these panels... why aren't the research interns working? Geez :roll:

All we know for sure is he was hired by the vandersloots....but who is paying the bills??  uummmmm

As it should be  :lol:

At this point - any monkey is more informed than a FOX legal panel.

Hi Scandi

Hope I haven't missed you this time.  I suppose my concern about Hodges' findings come from the fact that I don't think Deepak wrote those emails by himself.  I think Deepak's English isn't good enough.  I heard him on the Skeeter's tape, yes he did speak better than most in Aruba, but he still lacked the ability to actually do much else than respond to Skeeter's comments.  If he spoke better English we wouldn't have the "she did vs she didn't" comment.  I hope that isn't what the Dutch plan to use as definitive for their case, it would be a subjective in a court of law as Shango. 

that might be it...I think I have heard that stated ..but where do they get the finances....from taxes??

I *think* my TV is now busted....101 :lol: 101

I think that tacky joe is prolly paid by the same ppl that paid julia et. al to spin themselves silly...

Numerous networks are reporting totally false information thanks to Joran's reps here in the U.S :( Hopefully they get it together quickly and start getting there info from a knowledgeable source!!

this has to be the answer.

NY Attorneys all know each other.

Hi ya Dayhiker... :D

Well that damn panel just caused a fight between my DH and myself!  The first ever.  Those people are driving me over the edge...(can I swear in here?)  :roll:

NO KIDDING!  Why do all the networks bring in uniformed people to pontificate?  They should all be embarrassed!
Too bad that people who haven't followed the case will believe this BS.  Also makes you wonder how much of the rest of what we are exposed to, and less informed about, is incorrect or totally made up. :roll:

I was trying to read and catch up but it takes too damn long for the pages to load.....I give up

It's somewhat comforting to see Taco and his colleagues spinning like a bunch of tops all over the place, yet JQK is keeping a low profile.  I think this is a very good sign!  JQK is not going to let the cat out of bag, sotospeak, and Taco sounds like a hyper little middle-schooler explaining to the teacher how he wasn't really cheating when he was seen looking at another students test paper.

that might be it...I think I have heard that stated ..but where do they get the finances....from taxes??
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It was a bunch of Aruban business leaders (read: AHATA) who originally suggested that Dr. Phil needed to be sued. Many of the casinos (read: Posner) and local business are owned by the mafia. Since we know the Kalpoes don't have a pot to piss in...

 :sad: :sad:  Hang in there JuJu  :smt052

Lala's....you know few of them have any knowledge what so ever...don't let them rile you.....can YOU swear??  LOL...where are those damn penicls

Try another browser JUJU! Firefox works great for me!

It was a bunch of Aruban business leaders (read: AHATA) who originally suggested that Dr. Phil needed to be sued. Many of the casinos (read: Posner) and local business are owned by the mafia. Since we know the Kalpoes don't have a pot to piss in...

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thanks Dayhiker.....would love to know where the money comes from though....are these business leaders funding it not only the kalpoes lawsuit...but also paying for taco and crew???

Follow the money...the people that have lost them most on Aruba...not the locals...the big money people...fear of exposure had kept Joe T. on a roll...stop the money and you stop Joe.

"Follow the Money"   someone here said that  a long time ago.
I just wonder if the Dutch are doing that... ???
Like I said   if the Dutch want to solve this  "a little house cleaning would not hurt" and it may help get tourist back...  
They have the means & right to find out who is paying for what.  

I wish that the AHATA could be charged with something... Mabye conspiracy if they  had knowlege of any crime??
Just Wondering

I was having an issue a minute ago... like Muffy says Hang in there JuJu...

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GO HANS GO

 :lol:  Glad I missed the GREASEBALL! 

Did anyone see Jossy last night on FOX?  They asked what he knew about the new evidence?
He said "Well, we don't know anything."  It was great!

Why can't Joe Lackopenis and Julia RenHO just say the same thing?  Why can't they just admit that they don't know anything?  Rosemarie Arnold was on last night too.  She looked like she was about to cry.......I think she had a long day making a total ass out of herself.

yep it's the money.... and it's as dirty as the island

Gotta run out for  a while...

keep the faith monkeys

I know she had another TV special planned as a follow-up to her latest article. I would be surprised if it aired...

BINGO!

Igsigs - was it posted somewhere that Gielen was being ripped in Dutch press? By a Dutchie?

The necklace that Natalee was wearing in the last pictures of her and her friends:  is it missing?

AHATA is a "private" group of hotel, casino, restaurant, tourist related industries, etc. HOWEVER, there is only a fine line between them and the government/taxed based Ministry of Tourism. They DO get government money to sponsor their agenda.

BBL..
back on page 9 Robots quoted me... but did NOT even add a smiley  :smt102 .. so I'm lost and need a nap...
SeeYaByeeee

he's been called a whole lot worse, and justifiably so.
dennisintn

A friend, an attorney, asked me at dinner if aruba had anything equivalent to our witness protection program??  I really have no idea....??  Anyone know for sure?

She also asked if any of the 'players' has recently dropped outta sight?

She kinda follows the case....mostly through our conversations....but she has been listening to the news this weekend and says the panels are all full of crap....she hasn't heard one say anything other than pure dribble...especially since they have no idea of dutch law.....but she felt, listening to MOS, that this man was sincere and in her opinion has the goods.....I hope she is right

Oh another thing she mentioned was this happening at out Thanksgiving...she felt it was a great PR move...knowing that many tourists....and Americans would be on the island this weekend.....

I don't have the email in front of me, but if I remember correctly terms like "you guys" or something very American words were used. This surprised me. I'd like to know if Depak uses these words in his everyday conversation. When I first read the email, I thought it was written by someone in Chicago :roll:

since I changed to firefox I haven't had any problems...AOL....was a whole different story

bye mrs. red......I got the faith!! :lol:

thanks wreck...wonder how the regulalr aruban people would feel if they knew some of their tax money was going to pay for these scums!!

now that makes sense...thanks dayhiker

Well I don't know about them, but I would be royally pizzed off!

bye OF...TTYL

Joran was on a watch list
Paulus phones were tapped
DEA Agent told Beth, "Wait and I'll go with you to the judges house" (seems the DEA Agent knew about Paulus)
The phone call - big mistake!

Right back at ya daykicker

Yep, fierljepper at BFN. Then Pearl with a babblelized article.

sometimes we would rent a hotel room. I happened that three guys were in the same room having sex with girls. I was given a blow job on a balcony once by an American girl while Deepak was in the bathroom with a girl and Freddy was in the room proper with a girl too. But we did never share a girl or did threesomes. That was going way too far for me. We did however make topless pictures of a girl in a hotel room once.
(source: Joran's book Page 4 & 5 (only a bit to page 5, the last page of this chapter):

Deepak had put on a DVD with music video's. One of them was Benny Benassi's video for Satisfaction. It was an x-rated version and had explicit sex-scenes in it. (Joran's book: Chapter 8 continued:page 11 + 12)

You have asked that several times...I just really don't know the answer.  Does anyone else know?

Yes.  There is more too...the DEA agent knew enough about the island to ask the women to remain in the cars...this guy knew a lot more than we think...hmmmm.

I don't...I remember this was questioned a long long time ago too...but do not remember anything was ever substantiated

hi, i kept hitting the wrong button

sorry OF

here ya go

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Here is the entire article posted by PearlinUSA at BFN on a thread she started entitled Joran Taken Straight to Prison.


rough trans. of dutch:
Several articles on crimesite of nl.  Per one article Joran was taken straight to the KIA Prison.  Also noted that Fox News had video today that did show Joran inside the fenced area of KIA with 2 guards and appeared to be waiting to be let inside.  Same clothes on as shown in Curacao airport pictures.

This article about Renee Gielen:

In its column in the telegraph John of pine write hillock concerning ' journaliste ' Rénee Gielen, which passes back and forth a very remarkable and dubious role in the reporting Natalee Holloway and it is a lot bitten especially on Natalee's mother. I have there also sometimes concerning written.That sell isuch ladies freaked out there walk around which n local Caribbean flutkrantjes their brain tenon awl, alla.  But that a heading if network leaves reportages by this way someone make says a lot of concerning certain characters at network (unfortunately, because they do also goeie things). The column of John is only for telegraph abonnees, but he also stands on www.crimesite.nl (they will have for that authorisation?)

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/

This one questions Joe Tacapino as a lawyer working in Aruba to defend Joran:
·   
If it frequently concerns Joran of of the ditch and Natalee Hollway, gets I berichtjes, questions and observations of an American who reads a beetje. Yesterday he asked: Sorry to bother you again but I property a question. There are no US case pen thing against Joran, however; his old attorney, Joe Tacopina (WHO is known in the States ash representing "the mob"), still claims to be Joran's attorney. He says he will travel to Aruba for the Monday hearing. He does not seem to be well versed in Dutch law (or well versed, in general). There a mob/cartel risky with Paulus of of the ditch are?

Briefly said: there no charge against Joran runs in the US, but its old lawyer is of plan to Aruba, set off whereas he has no verstand of the Dutch legislation. In America he stands confessed because of its work for the mafia. There is a link between the mafia and the father of Joran? It did not think.

Second mailtje: According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondence clerk, the evidence are Joran incriminating himself. He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died. They property this on tape. Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has leg posted. Therefore: according to correspondence clerk Eric Mouthaan Joran itself by means of the tel. something has accused passes on concerning the way Natalee would be died, which stands on link. Sorry as everyone it already weet. I not, however, that there talk of was that Natalee be maltreated. Therefore that could be correct. Itself has I no high cap of this new action: it was rapidly this way ready as klontje that the affair was eavesdropped on, you can already complete something from the link jerk and that as proof to use. I hope that there is more…..hendrik Jan

from:  http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5527

This one tells of being taken to KIA

Joran of of the ditch permanently on Aruba Joran of of the ditch, suspected of involvement at the disappearance and dead of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, Saturday morning has arrived round four hours Dutch time on Aruba. That communicates eye witnesses on the fly field. The boy has been transported directly to the prison. Shortly after four hours three blended private cars with high speed left the poorten of the fly field. According to beveiligingsmensen on the spot zat of of the ditch in one of the carriages. Journalists on the Antilles communicate that the Dutchman two had incurred hours delay because he has been changed on Curacao of plane. The Public Prosecution Service (OM) on Aruba was not contactable for comment. According to the expectations of of the ditch Monday to the rechter-commissaris on Aruba is taken before, which will interrogate him further. Possibly thus the lengthening of the provisional detention comes up for discussion. (DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

This one says interrogations started right away ..

Police force interrogates Joran of of the ditch
Update 25-11 a team of Dutch and arubaanse inspectors have started Saturday immediately with interrogating the 20 person whose birthday it is Joran of of the ditch. That has confirmed the Public Prosecution Service.

 The boy who suspected becomes of doodslag or heavy maltreatment, has vannacht arrived on Aruba. America's most Wanted spend wide attention on the new developments around Joran of of the ditch c.s.. Of of the ditch, which is again questioned concerning the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, each contact with the outside world has been denied. He cannot teleview, newspapers read or visit and post to receive. , to him restrictive measures have been imposed '', said to public prosecutor capsule crumb. , he can only speak with its lawyer.' ' Jorans father, Paul of of the ditch, which could him speak as a lawyer, according to her has not submitted an application as a verdediger.

 Interrogate be according to crumb necessary for the file which is submitted Monday to the rechter-commissaris who decided concerning lengthening of the preservation. , for that we must come with more material on table. How further in the process, how we must more.' ' Friday the judge the voorarrest of the two medeverdachten, the brothers D. and S. K.met have extended eight days. The brothers were heard on several locations on Aruba prevent that there is some contact that of influence can be on their declarations. see also: ' after a couple months will talk you, however, ' Here Article reads arubaans offensive in matter holloway Here Article reads Joran by means of sneak route on Aruba

This one mentions drugging and having sex with girls +

' Joran have to explain many '

Joran of of the ditch have to according to justice sources explain ' much '. The Dutchman will be interrogated firmly concerning its role in the vermissing of Natalee Holloway. To its body Monday is gezocht. American two years disappeared suffered.

The new search, which starts Monday, is an initiative of father Dave Holloway, who has been tested-fly after head hoofdverdachte Joram Friday evening was brought by justice to Aruba. This the press communicates today.

 An inspector who has been involved in the new study into the role of Joran of of the ditch says Sunday in the telegraph that the Dutchman has ' on a number of important points still as lot of to explain '. As the data which have been now listed, also already during first arrest confessed products, then he had been never put by the judge on free feet. There zat other inspector say in the file then we to dachten.

"Een much more in the newspaper that rather ex-vriendinnetje will have violated Joran. The little girl will have confessed that at a therapeut, but wild then no declaration lets do because they was still amorously on Joran to research teams earlier to the matter let twinges fall. Thus was not well kept on asking and were not covered of tel.-tapering entirely developed, thus the inspector in the telegraph.

Then concerning a certain conversation in the warrant it was put there that had not been not litterally reflected relevant and for this reason. Now we a number of listens to conversations again, we - in combination with the new research data - let us see really new suspicions oprijzen."Politie and justice goes there from that Joran and is friends Deepak and Satish K. had thought more earlier sex with little girls after they had doped them according to the Dutch Public Prosecution Service depend it of the declarations of Joran and the brothers K. the coming days or they are brought for the judge.

 If they do not continue be silent that their matter according to Om-woordvoerder Hans mos of it also stronger on maken'. of the ditch will arrive Friday evening under enormous medium interest on Aruba. Also two friends Deepak and Satish K. are is heard. Three can absolutely no contact prevent more with each other have to that they coordinate again declarations the 20 person whose birthday it is of of the ditch, which was arrested Thursday in arnhem, Monday is taken before. Public Prosecution Service says proofs have that Natalee in life is no longer. Them was seen for last on 30 May 2005, then they in the company of three suspected a bar left

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5531



 
 http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7874.msg291479;topicseen#new

renHo has crawled out of her hole


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:30 am   

Bubbles wrote:


dunno if she is there today but she'll be there on Monday. *taking aobut Greta


And the only one to followed and stalked...  says renHO

It had nice color coding that didn't copy for some reason.

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Thanks for posting that Klaas. Bet Renee had to chug a big glass of Pepto Bismal after reading that.

Anna - You can use the quote function at BFN and copy that (then back out of it at BFN) then paste it here.  Same forum software.

Bump this too from ******* on page 10:

BTW, thanks to all the monkeys who bring information here to make this a definitive news source for us all.

This one questions Joe Tacapino as a lawyer working in Aruba to defend Joran:
·   
If it frequently concerns Joran of of the ditch and Natalee Hollway, gets I berichtjes, questions and observations of an American who reads a beetje. Yesterday he asked: Sorry to bother you again but I property a question. There are no US case pen thing against Joran, however; his old attorney, Joe Tacopina (WHO is known in the States ash representing "the mob"), still claims to be Joran's attorney. He says he will travel to Aruba for the Monday hearing. He does not seem to be well versed in Dutch law (or well versed, in general). There a mob/cartel risky with Paulus of of the ditch are? Briefly said: there no charge against Joran runs in the US, but its old lawyer is of plan to Aruba, set off whereas he has no verstand of the Dutch legislation. In America he stands confessed because of its work for the mafia. There is a link between the mafia and the father of Joran? It did not think. Second mailtje: According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondence clerk, the evidence are Joran incriminating himself. He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died. They property this on tape. Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has leg posted. Therefore: according to correspondence clerk Eric Mouthaan Joran itself by means of the tel. something has accused passes on concerning the way Natalee would be died, which stands on link. Sorry as everyone it already weet. I not, however, that there talk of was that Natalee be maltreated. Therefore that could be correct. Itself has I no high cap of this new action: it was rapidly this way ready as klontje that the affair was eavesdropped on, you can already complete something from the link jerk and that as proof to use. I hope that there is more…..hendrik Jan

from:  http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5527

It seems that folks in the Netherlands join us in wondering why Joe T. is on FOX and everywhere he can weasel his way in, representing himself as VDS attorney.  His rep as a "mafia" attorney is helping draw a connection between him and Paulus as having "mob connections".   

thanks for posting it Anna...good read

So is sweet Glenda implying that Greta should be followed and stalked?  hmmmmm

I just did copy and paste.  Next time I will try that Quote thing.

Some of that we have posted before but note the part about Joran drugging girls!!!

Everybody KNOWS!

..

Helen
I love that connection....

MOB+Joe T.+Joran=Paulus+ Mafia= Corruption

That sounds like 2+2=4.

The necklace Natalee was wear is missing. For who ever was asking.

Why would Julia Renfro, who gets invited to participate on Greta's show as a contributor, suggest that Greta should be followed and stalked while on Aruba?  Biting the hand....sotaspeak?

That might not have been an "original" Dutch thought, but it does open up the conversation, across the pond.  :wink:

I am in complete agreement Lala's....especially after he just disappeared.....who called him off and away??

Phil Keating on FOX news (just now) said he's been trying to find out about the new evidence and the prosecutor just won't go there; however, he did talk with one of the Kalpoe attorneys who has seen the evidence and the attorney says there's nothing new at all...just prosecutors putting a new twist on evidence....consider the source: Kalpoe attorney.

Anna -
Someone from ISA has witnessed Joran drugging girls before and has given a statement earlier in the case.

you'll be shocked who this is when I reveal it at the end of the case. The very very end... When Joran and his crew can not harm him / her. This young person was very brave coming forward.

Klaas,

Did the link I posted toward the end of the last thread work regarding the Pap translator that can be downloaded and run on Window?

Going for a soda.
BRB

Guess I'll have to buy a new Mac... sure in my dreams!!! not the bank account :lol:

thanks Rob

I think that is a reference to the last time Greta and Beth were on Aruba and were followed.  Apparently they were followed by the media, but on Greta's show you could tell they were not sure who was following them.  I think Glenda was being a smartazz.

IBE - I haven't tried it yet.  I will though and will let you know!

in her drugged out mind she must think Greta doesn't knows she posts as glenda on RU.... :roll:

This site has a short video of Joran, I believe from the Curacao stop over.

Why is he allowed to carry his laptop??  Certainly no handcuffs (sorry Klaas).

If he's in KIA, I believe he is sitting pretty good.  Maduro apologized to Paulus, on air, last time.  His chapter regarding KIA needs to be sent to a Dutch journalist (and an American one).

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/2865/Joran_van_der_Sloot_meteen_verhoord

Thank you, Rob; that was me, Puzzler, asking about the necklace.

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone led the Dutch to that necklace?  It's the type of item someone crazy as Joran might want to keep (very small and easy to conceal).  Something physical, that you could touch....   

yw :D . . . .now that was easy... !! :D

Think?  :lol:

i caught a quick glimpse yesterday of one of the k2's attorney saying it was Bull Crap!! but what else could he say.....

also as i remember the  prosecution doesn't have to reveal everything they have...just enough so the judge will keep them x amount of days more...each time

Hello monkeys..Just read back some pages..

(being that we all know they didn't do a thorough job at interrogating the three perps in the first place)
Would the procecuter be able to reintroduce that evidence? And if they saw that thier questions weren't followed up, can they hold them (the detectives) accountable for the messup/coverup?

Really makes me mad since Beth knew they weren't asking the right questions from the get go and she could do nothing about it!

They have all been living in the Netherlands and Guido was let go...that's what I'm screaming.

Thanks Puzzler, I wasn't totally sure because we have been moving fast and some are trying to save bandwidth and are making a mess out of the quote stacks...I'm a big offender here :D

License, $50 US, dare I say - panties.

I come from a family of attorneys, and although I have my reasons for not wanting to be one myself, I have never heard any of them say the evidence is explosive unless it truly is.

Thanks Buckeye - tried to copy the video but couldn't. 

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/ndm.jpg)
Rob it doesn't look like she had it on ????

The Kalpoe attorney: telling Phil Keating that it was the same old evidence with prosecutor's new twist; semantics meaning evidence that was not interrupted correctly the first time.

I still believe they have some new, tangible forensics, too.

A picture says a thousand words. 

Well, now....wonder why it's missing?

thanks buckeye......good question about the lappy.....

In my opinion, Julia "Glenda" Renfro is merely one part of the misinformation coming out of Aruba.

good question........and we really don't know for sure if it is missing or not....but she may not have had it on during the day....and only put it one when she was ready to go out that night

The only thing I remember about the necklace....was pure speculation that it was one of the items found while searching the dump.  It was speculated that the neclace and her room key were found in the dump.....does anyone else remember this?

 :2thinky:  << like that

Is there a pic with her wearing it with that shirt? She may have taken it off to go out for the night so it wasn't lost. It was her last night there, I've done that on vacation..especially in areas like that (no crime my butt)

melody his x girlfriend told that joran had raped her. i read an article back on yhis thread.

Whatever this new evidence is that they have....I wonder if it is something that will make them re-examine what they already have that didn't seem all that important by itself, but now that they have new evidence, it makes the old stuff significant.....

did I make any sense at all????/

I clearly see it.. it's right under the arm band.

I wonder if Carpe can do something with that.

Oh he is NOT the #1 mafia lawyer in the US by far, I live in John Gotti's hood-he's a small fry trying to make a name for himself...He represented my ex's friend, and he's in jail now, so go figure

It was said the Kalpoes didn't have an attorney present at their hearing on Friday and now they are saying their attorney has seen the evidence.  When did this happen?  Joe Tacopina or his associate said yesterday that he would know what the evidence was on Sunday.  They said they could not get a judge to come in on the weekend for Joran so his hearing would be on Monday.  I am becoming worried that this is all a setup and the three punks know their roles.  First they said Joran was angry and then we see him smiling and laughing at the airport.  We have Anita crying foul.  If she is so mad then go run to Greta and have an interview with her instead of leaking her lies to her best friend Julia Renfro and then Julia leaking what she said on the internet.  Anita knew to run to Greta and demand a meeting with Beth when they were on the island.

I still not convinced but I'm watching.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Nataleebracelet3.jpg)

Cropped and blown to 300% and inverted.

We are still talking about the necklace...right?  Because I don't 'clearly' see anything under the arm band.  I do think I see something under the wristband and it looks more like one of those elastic pontail ties than a necklace.  But...it's not really that clear to me.  Has it ever been confirmed, other than this pic, whether or not Natalee wore a necklace to CnC's that night and if so has it been confirmed that this necklace has or has not been found?

Some things sure are not adding up, I agree. As far as the necklace goes...why would she be wearing it around her wrist? You guys lost me on that one. And I clearly do not see one on her neck.

IMO - Natalee is wearing a bracelet and earrings but no necklace

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/Natalee1.jpg)

Those cops act more like hired body guards.

I totally agree, makes more sense too...It's probably really hot in CnC

given the fact that "new evidence" had to be served up and approved by the judge, what does that say about kalpoe's attorney if the judge used old information to allow detention?  oh, that's right, attorney's lie too.  
dennisintn

Hi MsVada...it makes perfect sense and from what little we have been told it seems this is part of what happened

WOW Klaas.  That photo just hit me pretty hard.  It's been along time since my feelings have gotten to me so.  That sweet, precious angel looking us right in the eye.  Think I'll take a little break.  BBL

Right! We have been down this road before ages ago. You know...my heart just bleeds when I see pictures of her so happy on her last night there and to know what has happened...this is just so heartbreaking. Parents...hug your kids tonight or call them and say goodnight. I am so sad.

The old coffee pot ghost:

Her wishbone necklace was planted in the towel at the dump
along with her room key/card.
A male named "Charlie" is the one who took those things from Natalee.

http://coffeepotghost.com/SPIRIT_VOICE_ITC_RECORDINGS_October_2007.html

I thought her friends that had the same necklace wore theirs all the time and never took them off (according to friends)  It is clear she doesn't have it on the night she went missing.  Was it everfound with her personal belongings in her room?

That would be a question I'd want to see answered.

I thought we were talking about a necklace as well...that was the original question...re a necklace

roflmao, i expect, with what the sporter has cost the island, that jvds probably needs bodyguards.
dennisintn

Just my thought here, but just because she doesn't appear to have a necklace on in this picture does not mean she didn't have the necklace on later at CnC's.   She was at the beach in this photo, it's possible she was back at the hotel before going out for the evening and put a necklace on.   Do we have any photos of Natalee at CnC's that night?   This beach photo could have been taken many hours before going out for the evening. IMO

I see the blie AI-HI bracelet...but the other item looks like a elastic hair band??

Sunny - it could be a elastic thingy..not positive on that.  She's definately wearing her dangle earings though. 

Dang, no wonder we have seen neither hide nor hair of old Charlierat.  Even the coffeepot ghost knew he was big time trouble. :lol:

I see a carry on shoulder bag, but how can you tell it is a laptop??

Is this photo taken at CnC's?

Oh..well...there ya go.  Staight from the coffeepot.  I just consulted my coffeepot and it said I should leave it alone for now because it has to get up early in the morning and get me off to work.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Charles Croes ?   :shock: :smt119

Having a hard time keeping up. By the time I reply to a post you guys are 2 pages ahead, lol.

yes Klaas you are right about the earrings....same in both pictures.....and  I am not sure either if it's an elastic band...but it is the first time i thought when I saw it on her wrist...and since it was taken at the beach and she had been at the beach that last day....I think she probably would have had her hair put in some kind of holder :smt102.....have there been any pictures posted of Natalee on the beach/in the sea???

Wasn't Charley the name of the girl who did the Coffeepot Ghost??

No, it's taken at the hotel bar area

I don't.  His dad carries a similar bag and when my kids travel they have their laptop in a "messenger bag" and a side lung backpack.  I've only seen those bags used for laptops.  I guess the arrested person could just be carrying personal items.  Any bag seems weird if one is under arrest.

I just called mine and told her I love her...thanks for the reminder. 

hahahaha...charlierat and the coffeepot ghost in the same sentence just sent me over the top......in a fit of giggles...thanks tyler

O/T Arrests in "Baby Grace" case.

I don't see a necklace in this pic, but it looks like she made good use of that thing around her wrist.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/NataleeatCnCs.gif)

Where are the pictures from C&C that Dan Surreal's cousin, Julia, gave him.

Nut, you are correct....we can't be sure...it looks similar to my husband's lappy bag.....but we have no idea for sure what's in there.....thanks for keeping us straight

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Nataleebracelet4.jpg)

I thought we were talking about a necklace.

Could be a messenger style bag.  Those are popular in Europe and I've seen some of them around in the U.S.  Sort of a "man purse"...

Wow, thanks Muffy

Messenger Bags  http://shoes.about.com/od/shoesforteens/a/messenger_bags.htm

REALLY!!!!  thanks Muffy......

Rob - the question is necklace, not bracelet. 

Would that be the same as a Man Bag????   :lol:

thanks truthseeker!!!  Now i really do think it was an elastic hair band

That ole coffeepot was spouting about the missing necklace as far back as August 2005.......



If I remember correctly,  Charli is the lady that owns that possessed pot :shock:

It seems as though I recall somewhere along the way that her necklace was missing, but not sure if I am correct about that.  I do not recall Beth having found i in the room in the baggage which she had.  Just wondering if someone might have taken it from her room or it was in her "change purse" that Beth described her having with her money, room key, etc.

MAYBE I GOT CONFUZZLED???? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Klaas, ok, I got it now. :P I said the necklace is missing, and then I thought we were talking about a bracelet.

I never got into "the pot" enough to know who owned it.  Brian and that one were a little too much for me.

Is anyone listening to Fox?  I just missed Bo Dietl, Phil K, etc.  I turned the audio down and cleaned the house, have lost my remote and neither one of my TVs works without the "dedicated" remote.   :sad:

Buckeye - I'm with you on that  :wink:

This picture was from C&C"s I still don't see it
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/natnoneck.jpg)

it certainly could be...as you say many men carry them in europe..

They weren't involved in the piece it was just the reporter saying the same old then she cut him off and it was done

Ditto!!

I hear you :)  I did find their interpretation of Shango to be very interesting though.  I did read and couldn't find  where they posted info after it was known, like Brian did.  And one time, there was a reading there and within days it came true,  Kinda freaked me out a bit so I put my own coffeepot in the closet :shock: :lol:

I dont either Blonde.  Maybe its not something that they found.....If she didn't have it on, it makes sense she didn't lose it that night. 

BTW,  Nice to see you again  :D

I have a nice collection of coffee pots but none have really spoken to me...the Corning Ware Blue Cornflower patterned one has on occasion been a bit on the "perky" side however....

So am I to assume no one was watching Fox when Bo Dietl was on with Jeanine Pirro and Phil Keating?  Or there was just no there 'there.'

I am behind... but, the roomkey and necklace weren't found in the dump unless it was after TES left... Red said they didn't find anything there... but toxic waste - which IMO, is about the entire affair... just toxic waste... I am spitting mad over tacky joe and his friends being allowed to spin this.

OT...sorry for a moment...we have a peculator and it is loud...a couple weeks ago we had a power surge and some how the coffee pot started (it's on a timer) we woke to this terrible plop pop plop pot noise.....my husband grabbed the gun thinking someone surely must be trying to break in and ran into the kitchen and the dang coffee pot plopped and popped right off the counter...my husband nearly shot it!!.....the coffeepot ghost was too much for me!!!

 :lol: :lol:

LOL.  I think to get a talking on you have to shell out the big bucks.  Probably a Bunn or something like that.  Oh...and I think the talking ones really appreciate it if you ground your own coffee beans when brewing your morning go juice.  That's probably why most of us can't get a good conversation out of our pots.

Tyler...sorry  I meant to respond....I didn't have it on...sorry

Sorry, not on here.

thanks Mrs. Red...I didn't remember anything being found by TES at the dump...but I wasn't sure if I had missed something

 Is that the pic of the supposed body in the bag?  I think I understand what it is supposed to be now. Her arm with the wristband on it. 

Is there a rule on Aruba about work permits??  Will Joe have to be approved??  Will he apply under Media Consultant?

For those that need them -

Two new Fox New Videos.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

On top - 7 pm update with Julie Banderas

And next - Dave Holloway and Geraldo Rivera

***All Videos Courtesy of Carpe Noctem***

This was posted by Pearl at BFN if that helps you any:

More coverage of the case coming up on Geraldo.  On Fox

Only thing reported that I noticed new from the same guy from Fox who reports, was

speculation that the Judge would go to the prison tomorrow for Joran's hearing session and

There is no statute of limitations.  This is a self-imposed deadline of 12/31 done by the OM who feels it needs to be wrapped up and not drag out any further.

Basically, nothing we did not already know or expect.  MO

Phill Keating said that 2 judges had already decided to hold the Kalpoes and now a 3rd judge would be brought in tomorrow for Joran.  Did anyone catch that?

It snowed Thanksgiving and then melted.  I hear they have snow up in Northern Maine though. 




sorry for being O/T. 

He will apply under Mafia Consultant.

LOL.  That should be approved rather quickly.

 :lol: :lol:

From the comments in a Telegraaf article.  I found the babelfish translation rather comical:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606557/Joran_in_de_tang.html?p=28,1

Joran, en die twee andere pipos zijn totaal arrogante kleine mannetjes!! Schuldig of niet!! En de vader van Joran is nog veel arroganter en weet er veel meer van!! De aap zal uit de mouw komen!!
ikke, hier  |  15:28 | 25.11.07


Babelfish Translation  :lol:

Joran, and those two other pipos are totally arrogant small males!! guilty or not!! and the father of Joran are still much more arrogant and weet of!! the monkey much more will come from the sleeve!!

LMAO!!!!!!!

So a different judge for Joran.  Not sure if that really means anything or if the same judge isn't available Monday. 

what if he already has a client on the island other than the sloots?

hmmm.....

maybe he has argued a case on Aruba we are totally unaware of or he may have been a consultant. I have no info he was - just making the point. He didn't just stumble on to the Sloots.

Tyler, I didn't see the segment... or I would have answered earlier....

well it's not like tacky and aruba don't have the same "connections"////

You're right...he didn't just stumble onto the Sloots.  But, there are some U.S. connections to those casinos and they all have lawyers.  Just saying...

Sleazy is as sleazy does...

Joran of "the ditch"....I love the translations.   Hopefully tomorrow, we'll get another "8-more day ruling" for JVDS...and that will leave me feeling a bit more confident about these developments.  I did take pause with Blah's comments earlier today - they made entirely too much sense...even though I want to be optimistic.  This crime is about WAY more than J2K and PVDS.  

Thanks, All.  I suppose this judge is going to be handpicked by Anita the shita.

It would surprise me if they had hauled his goofy butt all the way from Holland unless they were pretty certain they had enough to hold him longer than a few a days.  I think they will keep him locked up for at least eight more days.  Just my opinion.

Tylergal ~  I wondered if a special judge ("handpicked" as you said) for Joran.  Raises more questions...

 :lol:

I hope this has not been posted...translated by Google (English version not ready yet)
 
Joran via sluiproute terug op Aruba Joran through
ORANJESTAD - The 20-year-old accused of the disappearance and death of American teenager Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot, last night at ten thirty in the evening arrived at the airport Reina Beatrix on Aruba. Iets meer dan een half uur later werd hij naar de gevangenis gebracht. Just over half hours later he was sent to prison.

In tegenstelling tot wat de internationale pers eerder meldde, kwam Van der Sloot niet aan met het toestel van de KLM. Contrary to what the international press reported earlier, Van der Sloot came not with the model of the KLM. Op Curaçao maakte hij om nog onbekende redenen een overstap op een toestel van DAE. On Curacao, he still unknown reasons for a transfer to a unit of DAE. Dat werd vastgelegd door een fotograaf van Fox News . That was recorded by a photographer of Fox News.

Na de aankomst van de Nederlandse verdachte reden drie geblindeerde personenauto's door de zij-ingang van de luchthaven. After the arrival of the Dutch suspect reason blinded three cars by the side entrance of the airport. Die reden met hoge snelheid langs de aangestormde journalisten richting Cumana. That is why high speed along the aangestormde journalists direction Cumana. Hoogstwaarschijnlijk was dat volgens veiligheidspersoneel een afleidingsmanoeuvre want nog geen tien minuten later reed er een jeep uit de poort waarin de verdachte echt zou hebben gezeten. Most likely it was a diversionary tactic, according to security personnel because less than ten minutes later drove a jeep from the gate when the suspect really would have been. Dat voertuig reed in de richting van de gevangenis KIA. That vehicle drove in the direction of the prison KIA. De meeste journalisten waren toen al weg en hebben de auto niet gezien. Most journalists were already gone and have not seen the car.


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Rob, just wondering if they are trying to keep this a secret how you got the information.  If it needs to be a secret is it a good thing for you to be stating that here?

Actually Joran and his father found Taco.  Joran asked me if I knew any good Attorneys in NY, "back when he used to talk to me" and I did tell him one, LOL, my hubbys Best Friend.  He chose Taco instead.  Oh wellllll, I'd rather laugh at Taco, then a friend of mine. 

Hi Hotshot - I knew you had ties to Aruba but wasn't aware that you knew Joran personally.  Do you think he's guilty?  Just ignore me if you don't want to answer!! :wink:

Well, I can't imagine wha has happened to the rest of them, but I fear Paulus has drowned in his own sweat.

Not to mention they're guilty of doodslag.  :wink: (whatever that is)

Yes, I would love to know which alphabet group in Aruba paid for all of that.  ATA/ATHA or whatever those letters are.

dood: 1. dead | 2. death

slag: 1. action, battle, scuffle, struggle | 2. blow | 3. knock | 4. snare, trap | 5. expertness, skilfulness, skill, skillfulness | 6. movement | 7. grasp | 8. agony | 9. kind, sort | 10. turn

O/T

I wonder if anybody has been able to come up with a fishnet that resembles the top that Natalee was wearing on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

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IMAGES OF FABRIC

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1318
 
July 24, 2005

Last night the Scared Monkeys Discussion Board found an image of some material at the same site where the duct tape with the brown hairs were found. There coloring of the material bears a distinct resemblance to the the shirt Natalee was wearing the night that she disappeared.
 
Below you will find the images that we looked at, at this time due to the poor quality of the screen shots we are unable to say anything definitive, but the resemblance was enough to bring this to your attention.


WHERE IS THE FABRIC NOW?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/12/03/natalee-holloway-stop-spinning-the-real-reasons-why-there-is-a-boycott-in-of-aruba/

December 3, 2005

The disappearing fabric that matched Natalee’s blouse. FOX News videotaped a search around the time that duct tape with blond hair was found. The videotape showed a police officer climbing down some rocks at the edge of the ocean (near the Lighthouse), holding a piece of fabric in his right hand. This fabric appears in enhanced photos to match the fabric of the blouse Natalee was wearing when she disappeared. The Holloway family allegedly was told by the ALE it was fishnet and there is fishnet that color “all over the island.” This find was never mentioned again, although FOX continued to run the video. It is not known what has since happened to this fabric.


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

Dana:  I see pictures that a park ranger picks up fabric and it looks to me similar fabric to a top that Natalee was wearing, But we were told it was fish net, but if you look at the picture it looks like her top for sure.

Jossy:  It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I am unable to confrim it.  We would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again