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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #693 11/25 - 11/26/2007
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Is Shango advocating a burning at the stake?  Can I bring the marshmallows?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

What page are we on now?  Rolling Eyes

I think 48...I am trying to push it along..

Good Morning Sunny,  I'll help !

Do you or anyone have any thoughts on who else bight be arrested soon, as per the FOX blurb this morning?  I'm thinking if the evidence is 'explosive' and there is any possibility an attorney might come out and give the press some clues, wouldn't it be safer to have this other person already in custody?

I have no clue...only hopes....but in fact I have also thought that perhaps there is someone who is being kept in a safe house or something like that,,,,if in fact there was someone who one of the 3 talked to....

Anna...so do you think there is an inflitrator and that person is relitvely new.....and in Holland??

oh my...am I lost????

Yes, have I said it too many times, lol.  But I think it is someone like that female journalist that Joran was trying to show the porn on his handheld device and also asked her if she wanted him to bite her.

Someone like that whom Joran wanted to impress with being a tough, bad guy because he is too stupid to realize how evil he would sound.

MO
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Thanks for switching threads San.  I got kicked out of the internet, lol  :lol:

That's what happened to me Friday and I never got back in.  That San packs a big punch. :lol:

That's what I think and the reason my original vote was "none of the above."

Maybe it's the cigar?  J/K!

no you have not said it too many times....just trying to clarify that I am clear on your meaning and I think it's a very real theory/opinion. :smt052

Perhaps whoever it is slipped a little Truth Serum into one of Joran's drinks  :cool:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum

She does!

Tyler, if that looks like one of your kids in the airport, maybe you should check!  I have had mine go out of the country and not tell me before.  They forgot!  Yeah, right, just didn't want to bother.

LOL - actually I was trying to watch an MSNBC video and for some reason they often hang my internet then knock me out. 

whew...I thought I was in the wrong place....or .....never mind  :lol::smt052

I think the infiltrator was female and once they had all the information they needed, they were able to go back and view the tapes, haul in more witnesses, i.e., Val, Anita, Freddy, Koan and observe Paulus, whose phones were probably tapped as well.  No telling why he was asked to become a partner in the firm representing Joran.

You're welcome Klaas.

Tyler that wasn't me I swear  :lol:

All these WONDERFUL things I haven't gotten to do for a while...

... like being in here with the Morning Crew

... like doing a thread jump

... like seeing posts in REAL-TIME

... like actually being CAUGHT UP!

I agree that the "infiltrator" is someone in Holland. And likely someone new in Joran's circle who we haven't heard of.

I had the passing thought that the girlfriend ("something-vette") he had for a while might have been the one.

So robots is thinking arrests in the PLURAL, is he? Hmmm...

I think the "infiltration" was someone on the adult level, with an adult sense of responsibility. That's why I have dismissed all the juveniles. Who would take any of them seriously at this point?

Hey, the poll is gone again.  Maybe just let it go but I did find it interesting. 

It looks like this is going to be the big Aruban Christmas.

I wonder if they planned this thinking some of the media would stay home during the holidays?

Oh, they do that to me too and even their wives have learned to be accessories to their silence campaign.  They come and go so much, my prayer each night is the Lord just look over them wherever they area.  He knows, and I don't.

wouldn't that be a terrific way to get the truth out of him....

And poetic justice since he is so fond of putting things in people's drinks.

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There are other ways.  :cool: Leave that to us menfolks.

That's about the only way to get the truth out of his lying scumbag infested face...and then I may still have some doubts. He could probably lie his way right through truth serum  :2doh:

Islanders, yes I read backward mostly.  Sometimes I pick up where I left off by emailing a link to myself.  Then I usually make posts about things that are so far in the past no one knows what I am talking about, lol.

Good to see you here SB!  We should be hearing soon on Joran's detention.  They can't detain the Kalpoes and let Joran go free.  That would be far too obvious since they must now realize we are on to them and their little cover up routine.

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sb...I think i'd like your way much,  much better :shock:

E.D. Hill on Fox. Live to Aruba next. I like her. She is very smart.

Anna it has been probably 4 weeks since I have had daytime Monkey time.

I have a feeling that Mos has SOME indication from the vaterland that proceeding against Joran is at least permissible now. For some reason.

I still can't figure out what may have changed.

There is not a doubt in my mind that he has had bulletproofing from HIGH levels in the Hague up to this point. We shall see more today...

Hi Guys, what do you think the percentage will be of us learning something about the evidence after the hearing towday?

WoW, SB, you are starting to sound like Robots!!!

Some get really upset when I say that vengeance is what we exchange for civil justice but it is a tenet on which Western Civ is based and just a fact.

When that social contract is broken, things happen.  That is yet another reason to resolve this.  If there is no justice, there is no relinquishing the right to take matters in hand.  Recall riots in LA and other things of that nature from the past when people perceive they are not receiving justice.  Justice delayed is justice denied and all that.

O/T and we are receiving blessed rain, wonderful rain, for hours now.  Nice slow drizzle but heavy enough to make a big, big difference.  I am so happy about that you cannot imagine!  Sorry for the OT, won't do it again.  Maybe.   :cool:

 :D  Happy Camper here.

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I have things in mind for that little twerp that would make Jack Bauer feel pangs of remorse...

But no, we can't do that... though one can dream...

Hi Tylergal,  I'm thinking that it is the person who helped hide the body.

If they did put her out in the ocean and someone gave use of their boat, I think that person would also go along to make sure the boat was not misused or damaged.  A major player this person would be IMO, and the only 2 I know of were Guido and Lorenzo that had boats, right?  Correct me if Guido is wrong - wealthy family and moved to Holland almost right away, dad wouldn't let him be interviewed by KJ.

Either that or the one who orchestrated the disposal of the body, Paulus!

MSNBC Video from this morning - click on the photo to watch


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Hi Hannah Banana,

I for one don't think we'll know much more about the evidence today, but I do hope I'm wrong!

I've just gotten back from the Dr. and I take it we don't really know anything yet?
TIA!

jorans brother spilled some INFORMATION


thanks !!

maybe PAPA SLOOT SCUMBAG didnt give him the lesson about how to LIE

Hmmmm, very possible!

Nothing new from Fox update.

Phil Keating: At this hour we expect this will be the critical hour for jvds. He was escorted from the NL. We think the hearing is taking place at the prison. Exact time and location not being given. Critical here: how the judge views "incriminating new evidence." David Koch having a news conference now. Koch saying it's same old evidence.

ED: When will we find out whether they will file charges.

PK: We expect JVDS to be held 8 more days. Prosecutor has a self-imposed deadline of Dec. 31. Not a legal deadline.

ED: What about their saying they don't need a body.

PK: That certainly is an issue. That's why they're charging involuntary manslaughter, not murder.


 

Thanks Klaas...Michelle Kosinski looks rather satisfied, doesn't she?

I don't think we'll hear anything other than the usual speculations.  There is a gag order in place.  None of the lawyers are going to walk out of there and up to surfer boy's microphone.  That is just a way for Fox to get people to stay tuned.  Nothing will be released

i love it when Anna uses --------->  :cool:

she is cool and never realizes how cool she is

glad you got rain

joran gonna get some rain today on his little RAPING PARADE he has been doing for a few years. :cool:

hi Hannah....I hate to say it...but 0 chance unless koch reveals something in the press conference he is supposed to be having right now

I am cautiously optimistic.  I know that there has to be something to proceed but these proceedings might go nowhere.  I am hopeful that Spong has convinced his client to sing.  Spong is a Dutch hero after handling of certain cases in the recent past and pretty much tows the UN/Hague line.

We have a new word in Dutch for cover-up.

It's called 'new technologies.'

It's code for Janssen, van der straaten, croes and Oduber looked at evidence from the perspective of a defense. A defense of Aruba and by default the van der sloots.

The 'new technology' is indeed old. It's called representing the victim. This 'new technology' is to coldly look objectively at the evidence right there.

Janssen didn't see sexual assault. But 'new technology' does, etc.

That cell call eminating 3 miles offshore may actually mean something under this 'new technology.'

I have wondered about that, Robots.  Remember Joran used to beat him and stole his phone and broke the chip, etc. so he might be exacting a little vengeance of his own.  And he just might resent having his name recorded in infamy like this for he has to live with that the rest of his life as well.

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Ok, Phil Keating is surfer boy. I'm caching up now.

He was talking in circles on Fox.

I'm not so sure the NEW evidence presented to the judge to hold K2 is the same as the NEW evidence the judge will be seeing for Joran.

Will be interresting to see if there are any leaks after the judge meets with Joran.

He has said the same thing over and over for three days now...YAWN!!!!

and he may have been easily tricked by the DUTCH

he might not be EVIL like the sporter  :cool:

I think MSNBC and CNN are doing a far more proffessional job of reporting on this than Fox ever has.

Most of the news websites only have reports from Saturday or Sunday.   :-|

Surfer boy has to be monotonous. The resources are with Greta, he's the warm up act. Or as Rob would understand, the fluffer.

man, these page are loading slllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww

So you are saying Greta should quit her job? I know there are many who would agree with you but I think Fox has given more coverage to this than to Fred Thompson or Edwards.

Robots - I was having some problems yesterday but I'm fine today.  I think it's most likely a local ISP problem (I could be wrong). 

  Frank

Hi Frank,  I don't remember this call.  Fact?   :-?

 :shock:

Hi Robots

I firmly believe the the "powers that be" in either the Dutch or Aruban administrations are not going to allow the Kalpoes to implicate Paulus van der Sloot or ... the sons of the elite ... or those from the Dutch/Aruban administrations involved in the coverup or ... the those in the judiciary who disregarded evidence in their favorable rulings.

Think about the heads that would roll ...

I contend that Deepak and Satish will be found with a rope around their necks and hands in their pockets first.  I do believe that it is referred to as Aruban suicide.   :wink:

Janet

hi klass

yes, it could be BUT everywhere else i go im these blistering fast

not fact. Meant as a point of how to bury information.

Yeah, Fox has some bi-polar reporting, either really good or something way off base.

I hate watching the news anyway.

Robots - could be the heavy volume of viewers on the site today?   

I am having a problem too

you could be correct

but sometimes,  GOOD overcomes EVIL even when the EVIL is gigantic
we have been patient - very patient
i have been preaching patience and im will to be even more patient if need be,

i could be all wet and my cigar may get soaked HOWEVER in this situation
i think a clean sweep is coming

out with the old and in with the good

keep the hope

hope is perhaps the best thing of all
 :)

yep, thats my hunch also

 :cool:
http://www.bucuticam.com/tara.html

Kock's interview on 24ora.  I'm not even going to bother running through the translator:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3070/5/

Tara beach

im going to get a match and go light a cigar up right now

thats how good i think the news will be ..soon enough

i dont even smoke cigars, but it seems like a good idea  :cool: :lol:

http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html

seems to be quite a few at the cam spot today though

Look!  There is someone actually going into the water!  Just one but that's proof this resort is open as are the people under the one brella.

http://www.bucuticam.com/

wow look at clouds over that island like dooms day hahahah

Klaasend - I want try to translate this.

Those videos need some sound effects, like crickets chirping in the background.

Looks like a Ghost Island.

Maybe that's why we're getting these arrests. Time to light the sacrificial fires.

Thanks, go for it!

SB   left an answer to your question back on the other thread...according to Fox we now have a new 116 day clock. 2 days, 8 days etc.

And to those who picked up my error, I meant 17 not 16 for Joran's age. Having a heck of a time too, Klaas...though I'm sure it's the server and the weather... black shopping day on the net.

Robots....Do you feel delicious?????? :lol:

Almost time for court....Are you nervous JOran???

I think the infiltrator would be an adult, too.  I'm just keeping my eyes open to see where this all goes.  My only hope, resolution for Beth and Dave.

I have enjoyed reading you post. There always focused and accurate.

This is the first time in years I've managed to find a discussion on the internet without someone pouncing on me. So thanks for including us newbies!

glad you got some rain also, send some our way please  :wink:

The translation is not really good, because my spanish and papiamentu is not very well, and the sense been not very well. But I hope u all understand this text.

Monday nightfall for 2'or abogadonan kock y wix owing to invita prensa for can owing to hear they near of medaya of all the re-arrested of they clientenan deepak and satish kalpoe. for resumi the conferencia the abogadonan is of opinion with the suspects new evidence with owing to wordo tresi fast do not nothing new and owing to wordo saca for of grabacionan with owing to wordo graba two year happen. abogadonan kock and wix with is representa the rumanan kalpoe owing to indica with they're see with ministery of justice is enough open with prensa local and internacional. this door of suministra enough information. the informacionan here sinembargo is for of one near only esta the near ministery of justice. for es motibo the abogadonan wanted owing to give one some informacion on the caso for of sharp of view of they y they clientenan. ministery of justice owing to come fast saying with they have new evidence and owing to base of the new evidence here owing to disidi at re-arrested the rumanan kalpoe. Proces normal is with the abogadonan have to recibi one document with the new evidence here for so can defende they cliente hour with they have of bay fast huez comissaris for one possible prolongacion of the detention. this owing to occuri apensa 2 hour before the abogadonan have to owing to bay defende they client. the time cortico here tawata insuficiente for so can owing to happen door of the document and prepara one good defence. after of owing to happen door of the document of only 11 pages and mey the abogadonan owing to ripara with the evidencia "nobo" here do not new evidence but with is cosnan for of evidence existente. we can owing to compronde with this is deal of grabacionan of video with owing to make words of the interogacionan two year happen with now have one supuesto significacion new. es decir ministerio publico wanted using the same evidencia two trip. the evidence "nobo" with ministery of justice according the abogadonan do not implicion his client of nothing negative. the rumanan kalpoe is stay stop on they inocensia. the abogadonan is see this because; one acto of desesperacion and with ministery of justice is bayendo much lion. the posibilidad is existi with ministery of justice have to of more time with the deadline with is end of december 2007 and wanted show with have new evidence for so extende the deadline here. another informacionan: - the abogadonan owing to reafirma with ministery of justice owing to impedi they for have contact with one of the brother they esta deepak kalpoe. - aparatonan of graba conversation wing to words poni in the cas of the kalpoenan if with they tawata at height of this - investigadornan tawata enter the cas without have one ordenanza of huez - rumanan kalpoe do not papiando nothing with the investigadornan actualmente - abogadonan is pendiente for one date for one summary proceedings for her liberation of immediato of the rumanan kalpeo - have one restriccion of document at the abogadonan of kalpoe come across

My translation of the Kock interview: 

My clients are innocent
No new evidence (although the judge thought otherwise)
blah blah blah

I'm waiting for what's said after Joran's meeting with the judge today. :wink:

From Gretawire

Monday, November 26:
• Holloway bombshell: Will new evidence prove that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers are responsible for what happened to Natalee? Greta's live from Aruba.

Cmon Greta, you've been sitting on the tarmac all day.

I agree!!  I think that they may not be messing around this time...

I'm putting my money on all THREE of the suspects being held to the fire this go 'round.  I think Joran's "Get Out of Jail Free" card has finally hit it's expiration date.  Even his Mr. Magoo looking Papa ain't going to be able to help him this time!!

Of course, that's only my 3 cents!!  ;)

Will Paulus and Anita be allowed to be at the hearing today?

dang you are fast...I heard it on TV and wham...you have it posted.... :D

FOX

Phil Keating live in Aruba.  Judge meeting Joran at KIA right now.  

Magnolia...from what we have read and heard...no..just his attorney

My guess is no, only Joran's attorney

Phil Keating said the man believed to be the judge went into the prison on the fair end of the island along with other people which he assumed to be the prosecution.

Ronald Wix - Satish Kalpoes' attorney said it is not enough to give these guys a parking ticket.

Jossy is saying it is phone calls from what the defense lawyers are saying.

He said the Chief Prosecutor has said they have new evidence.

Shep said he is wondering why they are saying she is dead now.

Jossy doesn't think they are doing all this just to close the case.

Phil Keating believes hearing is going on now at the prison. Somebody went in -- maybe a judge. More people went in -- maybe the prosecutors.

New character: Ronald Wix, attorney for Satish. Said something about parking tickets -- as in, whatever they have as evidence is about as important as a parking ticket. (that is, not important)

Jossy: The defense attorneys say that the evidence is old but that's their job; they are defense attorneys. On the other hand, Mos thinks otherwise. No idea what the new evidence is. Must be important. Prosecution would not make such a risk.

Greta will be there tonight.

Yes, Kalpoe's attorney said it was all the same info and 1% add'l...then, the parking ticket comment. 

Jossy just spoke by phone....nothing new, imo.

No NYC - you did fine.  It's just really hard to translate Pap  :wink:

That also struck me as odd...considering all the time that has passed.  Could some of these taped phone conversations include any references to her being in fact deceased?  Why all of a sudden?  Gosh, I'm hoping I'm right...

Well, I understand. Yes Papia is hard to translate, because the languages has around 5 languages in it. French, Portugese, Spanish, Dutch, and English.

Suspense, suspense.....inquiring minds want to know... :cool:

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I think the same...8 more days for loverboy

I will concede that Holland and Aruba are truly seeking justice for Natalee Holloway if ... Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite are arrested for their participation in the events of that fateful morning when an 18 year old American citizen went missing.

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.  

Hi TS...good to see you....

So far it sounds like the K2 aren't talking. If their lawyer said the new evidence isn't enough to issue them a parking ticket.

Do you think they have seen everything?

BINGO...that is what I got from the 24ora too...POPPYCOCK!

Very possible...remember Van der Strattens comment - "because I have seen the evidence"  They are looking at new and old evidence.  Maybe it all just ties it together...\

I think the admission that she is dead is huge.

I don't think so.....I don't think MOS has to give them everything...not at this point...just what he is presenting to the judge to ensure further detention

It's good to see you too Sunny!!  I've missed all of you terribly...

Hopefully, this happy reunion will be promptly followed by long overdue justice in this case!!  It's damn time that family gets some...that's for sure!!

RTL nieuws (news) with a short video.

http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/home/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2007/week48/ma_1930_vandersloot.avi_plain.xml (http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/home/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2007/week48/ma_1930_vandersloot.avi_plain.xml)

that makes sense, wait till Joran gets there so he doesn't learn anything before being questioned.

Hi Thirdstrike,  I don't have a quote handy, but in the original link that talked about the charge being voluntary manslaughter, it also mentioned having done something like gross bodily harm to her body which caused her death.  That makes me believe this new evidence is information that notes what this is.  IMHO

Again, taking a step away from this case gave whomever is now actively investigating it a new, fresh look at what evidence they have, and what new evidence was gathered.  I mean...if you really think about it...would they make these re-arrests based on minimal, irellevant information?  I know they've proven to be umb.  But, that dumb?  I pray not...

 TS..you have been sorely missed....it is long overdue....and I rally hope ths is it...justice for Natalee and her family.....and punishment for the j2k and anyone else involved in this crime and cover up

Hello Scandi!!  Nice to meet you...;)

I think this is a very good point!!  If what they now have is nothing, why the specific description regarding what they believed happened to Natalee?  There's got to be some information guiding them...

I've always thought that Natalee's death was unintentional.  Sure, Joran and the brother's Kalpoe were responsible.  But, I don't take them as cold blooded killers.  IMO, they drugged and raped her, and the excessive drugging contributed to her death.  I think these "new" charges reflects that theory.

Thoughts?

Perhaps the 4th arrest will come this afternoon after Joran's turn w/ the Judge.

thanks NYC....did y'all notice the looks on the people faces....first the lady when he went to sit down and then those at the counter...it was obvious to me....all of them knew who he was :shock:

After watching that video that Klaas posted , if you listen to that guy in video
He said had they had this information before they would have never been released
so you have to really ask yourself,, WHAT DO THEY HAVE????

The way I understand it .... Mos has to dole out the evidence
a little at a time because he has to present something new to the
judge each time he asks for further detention.

Joran didn't get his way..

...heavy battery.

You know what?  It's not really important to me that they get punished.  Sure, they should be.  But, what I'd REALLY like to happen would be the family get closure.  It must be HORRIBLE what they've had to go through for 2 plus years...

You are welcome SunnyinTX!

It doesn't matter what the defense attorneys' say; it's what the judge says

I'm back now--ran to store and was afraid I would miss the news!  I see they are still in the hearing.  I have FOX on, too, and am monitoring.  C'mon judge--tell him he has a home at KIA.

Is this a fact, Frank?  Do you have a contact there?  Just wondering.

I totally agree!

Nah....I want them punished and Natalee's remains found.

I''m not Frank, but I am assuming that you have to believe anytime Joran gets angry or does not get his way, heavy battery is involved as we were told he was undergoing counseling for abuse of his family members and friends and per the recorded conversation in back of police vehicle, he was even saying he should have killed K2.

Yep...and I didn't notice anyone running to him for his autograph like he probably expected...being the arrogant sob that he is

I sorta agree...but I don't see closure unless they are punished....I think the fact that if they weren't punished would eat away at the family and all who love Natalee for eons.....but on the other hand...what would the family say or do...IF...they were told they would be told what happened so long as the criminals were not punished??  I don't know obviously...oh hell i am rambling...time for some coffee

I assumed I was a part of 'y'all' when the question was asked, What are y'all thinking?

How can any resolution assume drug overdose when you have batter charges or charges against Natalee of this violent physical nature?

Are they saying they caused her bodily harm after she overdosed?

LOL...nope not one autograph seeker.....several look stunned/shocked....

Mags if there were in Saudi they would have been beheaded by now

I agree Frank.

joran ordered to remain for 8 more days

They're holding him 8 more days. Fox.

JDVS HELD FOR 8 MORE DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Thirdstrike,  Nice to meet you too!  I was quite surprised they included this info to the general public, about how she was injured so as to lead to her death, as it is a very telling statement.  In my mind it conjured up thoughts of brutality and harsh treatment, even more so than rough sex. 

BREAKING NEWS:  Joran will stay in prison till Thursday, 8 days evidently from when he was arrested.

FOX News now....Joran ordered held for 8 more days!!!  Yes!!

So do I Magnolia.

Shep: 8 more days for jvds,

Woo Hoo - who's reporting it?

Shep just said Joran gets held 8 more days...

I might have got that wrong, they said he would be held till Thursday, and a week from Thursday is 10 days, right?

Good.  Holler is something happens.  I'm watching General Hospital here. 

Third!  I'm thinking regardless of what the earthly punishment may be, the eternal punishment is going to suck big time.

Frank to the best of my knowledge that hasn't been clarified...

  FOX~!!!   Shep.. and I think the surfer dude.. I was in the other room !!

Right Tyler. 

YES!!!  8 more days!

There is much sighing and exhaling going one.

Even tho' the bar is fairly low, it was accomplished.  Joran gets 8 more days of questioning.

Hi, did I miss something where did the battery shich was stated come in?  :-?

cant wait to hear the spin on that one

Tyler, I thought Frank had new info....and quite honestly, I was going to post a bit ago while knowing he was before the judge that I wondered if Joran would pull one of his hissy fits, which would help his being detained longer.. :wink:

Thursday would be 8 days from the original arrest Wednesday night. Fox clearly said 8 MORE. So which is it? Still confusion.

 :lol:  Joe T don't know his ass from a hole in the ground !  :cool:

I agree.

Paulus van der Sloot's personal and professional relationships with those within the Aruban and Dutch Justice system and the Aruban Law Enforcement dictated that an outside agency should have immediately been called in to investigate the Natalee Holloway case.  That did not happen ... the agenda from day one was a coverup to distance Paulus and Joran from implication.

I cannot comprehend how real justice and full accountability is going to emerge with the Dutch and Aruban administrations in control of the outcome.  What part of "the appearance of a conflict of interest" does these two administrations not understand.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html 

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA - TWAN HUYS
June 28, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

Trust me, I know what you mean Sunny.  What I'm trying to say is that the need for punishment isn't as important as the need for truth.  If given a choice, I'd want to know exactly what happened to my daughter that night from those responsible much more then I'd want to know they'd be punished for doing it.

Sure, I think resolution and punishment go hand in hand.  But, I take Beth and Dave to be the forgiving type. If those responsible would just admit their fault, they'd be given the much needed closure to this sad chapter in their lives, and begin the healing process.  Until that happens, it's an open wound.

Thanks for listening anyway Sunny.  ;)

Yep.  They expect us stupid Americans to believe their bullsh!t.

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heheheehehehheheheeheheh...

oh what a happy day

LIGHT EM UP

Wonder how long Mos will wait to bring charges...keep going back w/ a little at a time and drag this out...30 days-110 days--216 days (OR WHATEVER their rules are, which I admit I still do not understand their system).  :roll:
I SAY BRING IT ON!!

scandi......FOX just said in breaking news......from Aruba....JVS was ordered to be detained for 8 more days.

 Don't bogart that cigar my friend...   :wink:

Holding my breath about the fourth arrest.  Good news is slow in coming but as long as it is good when it gets here, that is good and good news.

They will hold him 8 more days then release him for the Christmas break where he will spend it with his family and Paulus will give him a nice new laptop or maybe a new car and he can return to the Netherlands and watch his porno in class  :shock:

Very well said!!  Closure for the family, then eternal damnation!!  Works for me!!  ;)

Always listen/read you TS......and hopefully it will be more often!!

 Hi Tyler  :)

I have yet to hear on TV about a 4th arrest? i tryed my damndest to get caught up on the forum here.. What station reported there may be a 4th arrest?   TY !!

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heh...heh....bogart!!!

ok,

all it took was one DUTCH guy,

he has had enough and so has just about everyone else

"PAULUS- PLEASE COME OUT of the BUSHES, you are UNDER ARREST"

when has joe been right about anything concerning jvds except that the ny case wouldn't stick.  even jqk said that was sticky anyway.
dennisintn

Oh Happy Day!!! 

OK!! :lol:  Klaas/CBB can you give the twins cigars...they are too young to smoke...but I'll make an exception this time!

 :wink: Metro.. just changed ONE word in that OLD OLD song..    :lol:

I don't even listen when Joe Taco is on.  Makes my skin crawl I tell ya.

San...I have that soap bar right here at the desk!~

Dan Abrams to interview the prosecutor tonight on his show 6 p.m. eastern.

CBB is the cigar queen.  I could probably figure it out but it would take too long, LOL.  Maybe you should ask her hin the Christmas Avatar thread?

Wonder whan we will hear about the fourth arrest?

Thanks for the headsup Frank!

 :lol: :lol:

Great...but I don't think Mr. Mos is going to give away anything...this guy really seems to be a professional.

Who is Dan Abrams? What cable channel?

Robots will bring you home, dont worry.  :cool:

a little more ways to go. confessions coming up -- BET IT ALL

every cent you have

im rusty and made of metal and 89 years old, but
no one stopped me yet

im a bulldozer in disguise  :cool:


ROBOTS out

got to go split some wood  :cool:
 

MSNBC.

Tell you what.  I see you in here, I'll come by more often!!  :)

that's the big news for today:

Joran held for 8 days

Surfer boy's name is Phil Keating


everything else is in the spin zone

Dan Abrams is on MSNBC..

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 :lol: :lol:

Thank you San.

Angie, Magnolia was telling us that a Birmingham station who has reporters on the ground was stating that today.  I am sure they are getting what they can from whatever source, but I can believe that, perhaps Paulus.

Are you sure that's a cigar?
 :cool:

Hi Port Valerie,  I heard that on FOX, and I think the reporter was Michelle something.  She was confused when she said it too, and first said 8 more days and then said till Thursday.  That is why I said what I wrote could be wrong, but think she was thinking 8 days from the original arrest.  She might have had it wrong.  (http://dune.servint.com/uploads/c_laugh.gif)

Angie,
that was reported on Birmingham's ABC station this morning.  They have a reporter on the island.

I hope she had it wrong. 8 days from now would be much better. Thanks. I'm sure all will become clear later this evening.

I watch only because when his face gets red enough and sweaty enough and his greasy head explodes, I don't wanna miss it. :cool:

Hi OS, I can't find the exact channel in my area because they just switched all my cable channels around.  I hate it when that happens.

Hi Monkeys.

Good news today, I had no doubt that he would be held over.

Now for the grand slam, lol.

More from Aruba on Fox after commercial.

Why bother...he won't tell us anymore than he already has.

Fox banner said "at least 8 more days."

Comcast did that to me too, and I had to go hunting for MSNBC.  LOL  Dan Abrams said he'd be on tonight with this coverage.  HOORAY  I really think he is A-1, remembering him and all the great reporting he did in the SP case.

Sorry to keep posting this...wishful thinking on my part I guess  :lol: :lol:

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Phil Keating said the new evidence it is being kept very tightly.

They are being held on suspicion of Voluntary Manslaughter.

He said the hearing didn't really last that long.

They will continue to be interrogated for the next 8 days.

Defense attorneys are saying it is a reschuffling of old news.  Dave Kock is speaking.

Phil Keating: The judge ordered him held another 8 days based entirely on the new evidence. Hearing didn't take very long. Police have been interrogating all three off and on over the weekend. That will go on now for another 8 days.

David Kock -- just a reorganization of old evidence. They put it on the table and say this is new.

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038

 :thumright: :smt041

I think Phil Keating might not be up to speed on this case. He looks sort of hapless. He seems to be buying what the defense attorneys are saying -- then he shrugs. He has been the only Fox guy down there since Thursday or Friday. He had a great opportunity to do some investigating and get some more interviews down there. Doesn't look like he did it. Now Greta will eat his lunch. Kids, recognize a good career opportunity when it hits you on the head.

FROM A BULL HORN

hello, Mrs SLOOT
please come outside NOW

you are UNDER ARREST

Refugees back up  :lol:

I was clicking through some of my old links and came across this...don't know if this has anything to do with what's happening now...just found it interesting

 via Riehl World View
MSNBC Report Confirmed: A commenter stated that on MSNBC's Scarborough Country tonight Joe Scarborough reported that an eyewitness saw Joran Van der Sloot punch Natalee Holloway in the face. A call to MSNBC has confirmed that the report did air. However, the source for Scarborough's story has not been identified. Dan has been informed it should appear in the show's transcript tomorrow.

Looks like taco-boy better refine those dance techniques... LOL!

Didn't play too well before the judge today, did it?

Anyone heard if this was Smid, or someone else?

 TY Tyler ~!!  Yep, I agree... Paulus needs to be brought in too !!

Hi San

Do you have a search feature..I get it on 68 here...I hate change..too old...I can't even remember how NOT to do stack quotes...so sorry about the stack...

Doesn't CNN, FOX and MSNBC know we are not interested in anything they have to say except Aruba, jvds, k2's...geez...why bother with all the other "stuff" right now...

OS

I agree!  :lol: :lol:

Well, I'm trusting this Keating guy less and less. He should be telling us when the Kalpoes' eight days expire, too. I don't think he gets it.

On Gretas blog for responses

Comment by Luci
November 26th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Greta, get to work quickly on this. I have been getting uncomfirmed reports that there will be another arrest in Aruba today.

 :lol:

I'm at work, and have just a minute.................any news?

Hi is this where the battery statement came from? :o

 :lol: peaches.. could be blunt..   :lol: :lol:

When they arrest Paulus that's when I'll know that they are 100 % serious about justice.  That's also when I'll light up the big cigar I got a few weeks ago in anticipation. (Hope it don't make me sick)

I think Keating ran into Miss Renfro, he may have in fact been drugged while the Fox Crew went to pick up Greta at the airport.

I think he's unhappy with the wave breaks on Aruba.

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<giggling>  :lol: :lol: :lol:

hi Snoopy...it's a great day!!

Hi Snoopy are we twins?  :smt052

That boy needs to get to work.  Port Valerie is right.

Yes it is.  I'm waiting for Paulus!!

I'm afraid so. Does look like he's been whipped, whether by Miss Renfro or the waves, who knows.

 :lol:

CBB

JORAN 8 DAYS- moved across Fox about 10 min. ago

Rumors of a 4th Arrest imminent per Birmingham local reporters on island, and some other unconfirmed sources

That's it so far... That's ENOUGH!

Well I don't know if this world can handle 2 of me, but it's all good!!  Welcome.

Don't inhale.  Smoke it outside.  Be sure you have an accompanying beverage as you will want to wash down the taste.  (Unless it's one of those sweet cigars with the little tips so you don't get cigar nasties in your mouth).

OS, that is one colorful avatar there.  I can relate about channels.  I came undone when they moved CMT.  I was going into Toby Keith video withdrawals.

Does this Cavuto guy talk about anything interesting?  Or is he just filling time while Oprah's on?

LOL...thanks!!

you got it!!

What he needs is a freakin' haircut.  Get that stuff out of the way!  It's blowing all over the place and as jiggly as his video is, less hair blowing around would be great.  He's not bad to look at except for that haircut.

Probably been out with Steve Croes.  Does not have a clue.  I would think Fox might not be too happy with Greta's choice of pre-emptive reporters.

Thanks for the heads up on that one San!

My remote for the cable isn't working and I have to GET UP to change the channels.

I had already changed the channel after the announcement that JORAN GETS 8 MORE DAYS thinking it was done for a while.

Please continue with the heads up so I can GET UP and change the channel......TIA!

aaawwwwww geee  that's so sad.....KARMA BABY!!!

UH-HUM! Did they hold Joran?  :lol:

(Inquiring Minds who are at work want to know!)

Might start a big ole' greasefire!

 :lol:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html

Dutch man to stay in custody in Holloway case
Story Highlights

NEW: Judge says Joran van der Sloot will be held for another eight days

Van der Sloot and two brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway

All three men have maintained their innocence; Holloway was never found

Prosecutor: "We have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore"

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- A judge Monday granted the prosecution's request to hold Joran van der Sloot for an additional eight days "on the suspicion of manslaughter" in the case of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

Van der Sloot, 20, was arrested Wednesday in the Netherlands and taken back to Aruba, where he and brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 24, and Satish Kalpoe, 21, are suspected in the disappearance of 18-year-old Holloway in May 2005.

All three were initially arrested at that time, but released by a judge due to lack of evidence. Watch how the case is heating up »

Van der Sloot, the son of a judge in Aruba, was attending college in the Netherlands when a Dutch court OK'd his transfer to Aruba, a Dutch territory, to face charges. He was flown Friday to Aruba with a police escort.

Van der Sloot was bitterly surprised by the charges, said one of his attorneys after the arrest.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were allegedly the last people seen with Holloway after she left a bar in Aruba.View a timeline of the case »

A judge in Aruba ruled Friday that authorities can continue to hold the Kalpoes for eight more days.

They are charged with "involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway or causing serious bodily harm to Natalee Holloway, resulting in her death."

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes have maintained their innocence.

Aruba's chief prosecutor said Friday that there is enough evidence to prove Natalee Holloway is dead -- even if the Alabama teenager's remains are never found.

"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."

Mos further explained that Aruban law does not require a body to prove someone is dead "and any day that passes now is just more evidence that she is not alive anymore."

In the recent investigation, advanced techniques were used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions.

The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed, Mos added.

When she disappeared, Holloway was on vacation with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School near Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were the last people seen with Holloway as she left Carlos'n Charlie's nightclub in Oranjestad, Aruba, about 1:30 a.m. on May 30, 2005. The men have maintained they had nothing to do with her disappearance. She has not been found.

Holloway's high school group had planned to leave Aruba the next day, and Holloway's packed bags and passport were found in her hotel room after she failed to show up for her flight.

The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after they left the nightclub.

Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

She said Friday she had no comment on her son's latest arrest.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, said her ex-husband, Dave Holloway, has hired divers who will use sonar equipment from a benefactor to search for the girl's remains in deep water surrounding the Caribbean island.

Aruba's criminal justice system is based on Dutch law and the Napoleonic code, legal experts say.

In Aruba, authorities can make an arrest if they have reasonable suspicion that someone knows about or is involved in a crime. Magistrates investigate cases, and judges determine a suspect's guilt or innocence. There are no jury trials.

YES!  8 MORE DAYS AT LEAST

ROTFLMAO...Peaches I LOVE you!! 

 :lol: :lol: After working for over 2 years in Tobacco Stores.. I have seen it all.  lol

Who was it that used to have the avitar with the baby smoking the cigarettes?
It was my all time favorite.

Ospainter, good to see you back.  Yes, Peaches, Cavuto always reports news. Unfortunately for some of us today it was not good news.  Recession looks to be on the horizon and stocks dropped. :sad:

I don't think all of the evidence was presented so many months ago because of the corruption.  It's possible that things were witheld so that when KLPD came in, they could put everything all together without fear of corrupt officials contaminating evidence.  I've never completely threw KJ under the bus.  Don't particulary care for her, but in the end I think she realized that she had been had.  Hope I got that out right. 

He must have misspoken --- :wink:  ---he meant to say covered up...not overlooked  :cool:

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Had to close my office door to do a little jig on the desk!!!!  :D :D

 :lol: Snoop Dawg !  I will buy one at work as well.. :wink:
Hope it is true their may be a 4th arrest. IMO .. there will be more like Robots posted earlier !!

you are confusing to say the least!  LOL

I think that was Hope Floats.

I have no idea how my posts are getting within the quotes, but it is happening.  I am careful to go below the quote marks and double space.  Don't know but maybe the refugees are infiltrating here and dinking with our posts.  Maybe it's Jan, a/k/a MedleyRelay from Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Florida, Aurba, NL.  Omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent MedleyRelay.

me too......talk about celebrating....we'll have to go to Gianinio's!!

HopeFloats - I altered her avatar for her  :wink::


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  OMG..LMAO  I just noticed that !!

That's their way out of explaining away the corruption.  Guess I'll settle for that as long as J2k and Paulus are brought to justice.  We want Natalee back.

NYC - don't get worried.  One would expect a defense attorney to say that  :wink:

Boy, I sure agree with you on that.  I wondered why he looks like he is on vacation and has been out walking the beach!  It is very serious business reporting on these breaking developments, covering the case, and you would think the producer would get him downtown quick-like for a haircut and some new clothes that are of the casual businessman's type.  LOL 

I know I am too critical, but FOX has always been a day late and a dollar short on this case IMHO.  Heck, did we ever learn anything new from them?  I'd venture to say most of what we hear there we already know  (http://4fxearth.net/phpBB2/smilies_mod/upload/1beb8b2ae6d61633f35d740313c6c610.gif)

Lord, I can't even turn the audio down on mine without that stupid remote given to us by the cable company that is adjusted for all TVs.  What a crock of a cable company I have.

 :smt006

Thanks Snoopy & Klaas.  That has been bugging me for days.

 That was Hope   :) 

Sounds Great!! 

Just saw your post, yes, 8 more days.

Hi Peaches, so good to see you...

Yea, think I am in a time warp and don't know how to get out of it...lol..but that's ok...

Don't fret NYC...the judge obviously thought it was enough to hold them ALL over another 8 days......that info comes from the defense attorneys....no way are they gonna say...yes they have new evidence to prove my client is guilty

It never gets old, and this is the last we heard from the judges:

New technologies?

"The arrest of Paulus apparently came as a result of statements he has made recently to his wife and to the press that conflicted with previous statements he made to police. The conflict involved the timeline of events on the night the Alabama teen disappeared.
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

It's up

LOL I love it when NYC says holy no!

Not only would one expect a defense attorney to say that, but also David Kock is surely not privy to all of the evidence at this point in time, so I remain cautiously optimistic...

am very psyched that the the pimply faced Frankenstein is getting reacquainted with the inside of an Aruban jail cell for 8 more days...Get used to it, and while you're at it, bend over  :smt096 :smt091 :smt077 :smt098

dayhiker....you hit the nail on the head for sure....IIRC Mos said if they'd had this information they would never have been released 2 years ago....

Does anyone know if the ships have left for Aruba yet?  They were supposed to leave today last I heard.

I thought it was going to be Wednesday but I could be wrong.

Hi Tyler, I relistened and her is part of what he said.

David Kock:  The are certain things that supposedly were important but were not noted.  For more than let's say 90% this is the new evidence (unaudible) so it's not something new it's just that they reorganize it and put it on the table again and said it's new so it's new because we say it's new.

I have been logged on all day but am training a new person so I have not been able to read and post much.  So...the best I can tell from all the happy monkeys is that Joran will be held 8 more days and the FOX guy needs a haircut. 

Woo-Hoo!!  I also saw more articles posted where the prosecutor says he is sure Natalee is dead.  I hope now the 'she ranaway' crowd will finally shut up!

Heading home now....hope to be here later.  Keep it going, Monkeys!!!!

yes they have new evidence to prove my client is guilty, great words SunnyinTX. :lol: Well yeah it's correct, but it was all ready they get a another 8 days, because, they want not somebody for 4 days let go to Aruba..... We see the rest new probably friday, then are the 8 days over.

Why do you think officials have hinted at a place in the ocean? Why has Dave said they have a place to look?

How, unless a person in the boat spilled what he knows would they even talk about a place 3-5 miles in the ocean?

My guess is the cell phones talked and they have had confirmation of a transmission at a spot offshore.

Otherwise, how else would they have this information?

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I've sat in front of a computer for a long time to watch this finally happening and now this case is:

Rollin, Rollin, Rollin
Gee, my a$$ is swollen............

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Can you believe it, Monkeys!!!!!
Under arrest, charged , and held!!!!!

Did Paulus get arrested? Just checking in, do I have to read more? lol was it old news or current?

NYC, those comments by Kock go in the bin with Tacopina saying Joran passed his sniff test. Joe Tacopina. Mafia lawyer. Measure of goodness for all mankind.  :wink:

The judge ruled the evidence was good enough to detain all three of them. In eight days I believe Mos will up the ante with more, holding them 30 more days. Must be something there. Christmas in KIA, what a lovely sight to see.

Well dang it!!  I'm anxious!!  Thanks Klaas.  :2doh: :lol: :cool:

OS you are still dressed for Halloween? I have enough ornaments on me ...bet CBB wouldn't mind if I share.......

Good point Frank.  JKQ indicated the evidence may also lead to Natalee's body.

I know how that is happening Tyler.  You are missing the last quote mark.  It is not in the picture when you start typing so you are not seeing it.  It about 2 three spaces below when you type.  It's happened to me.

So basically its as I mentioned yesterday.  this new evidence is not necesarilly something new per se, its something else they found that makes everything they already have  come together in a certain way to make the puzzle more complete.....

snoopy ... your sentiments reflect mine.

I have never smoked in my life but ... I have already informed Klaas that I will light up one of those cigars she has hidden behind Ducky's wings ... on the day that Paulus van der Sloot is held accountable for his participation in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005.  Hey ... maybe this non-drinker will partake of an alcoholic beverage to toast the ocassion.

My family will probably have me committed but ... believe me ... justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family ... would make it all worthwhile.

Janet

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that's the last I heard too....Wednesday

Klaas, do you think that these dives and equipment are the result of the prosecutor giving them information? :)

It is possible that the area has been known, but the resources have not been available.

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Texas Equusearch comes back to Aruba
DIARIO Aruba
01/12/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): The KPRC-TV channel from Houston reported that the founder of Texas EquuSearch, Tim Miller, is heading to Aruba along with a diving team from Florida after a report from the island reached them, that they could know where the body of Natalee Holloway could be.

The search team will concentrate in an area of 3 to 5 miles off the coast of Aruba, which has a depth of 800 to 1000 feet.
Tim Miller told the Houston TV channel that the Comissioner from Aruba said that the feel that Natalee could be in a fish trap which was thrown very deep in the sea.

“The night she disappeared, is the same night that a theft took place at the fisherman’s huts, and one gigantic trap was stolen, as well as a big knife and none of these were ever found”, Miller said.

If by any chance Natalee is in this trap, the possibility exists that they could find her with the team they are bringing.

Tim Miller also told KPRC-TV that the last time that he was in Aruba he was threatened to be arrested because he was working without a permit. Miller answered to the Aruba authorities that he was not working for anyone, and that he was a volunteer.

Frank   :smt023

Tamikosmom   :2rofl:

Phil Keating:

JVDS will be held 8 more days, for a total of 16 days. Same thing is happening with the Kalpoes. They will now be held a total of 10 days.

News conference with chief prosecutor. He said, in the end, all theories point back to these three suspects.

Bo Dietl:

The only way they can interrogate them is to rearrest them. It took them a long time to get the warrants. That goes back to the mainland, Venezuela and other countries in South America that have the records.... I think they're probably going to develop a case based on conflicting stories.  .... Will there be enough to convict them on a murder charge?

was there a 4th arrest?

Hey Tylergal how ya doin??? Good to see you also.

well since Halloween (as you can tell) I couldn't log in. Tried it today and it worked. My new $3,000.00 laptop is broke again, so I am on old faithful "Dell", but it is soooooo slowwwww..Slower than me on a good day lol...

Just saw on Fox: Keating saying  jvds can be interrogated a total of 16 days, k2s total of 10 days...YEAAAAAA....Put a fork in ummmm, they're done...

OS

I heard this rumor earlier today too at BFN,  I never did find anything to substantiate it though.......

 Nope

YaYa Frank, I like what you are thinking  :D  I do remember that the night after she went missing there was a boat that left from the input and went out into the bay - and that input wasn't far from where the tourist placed the wooden cross that Dave found.

We did learn that Aruba's PD knows when any boat goes out, but I don't remember how far out they have to be before a blip shows up on their screen.  I thought at the time they would have to go beyond that spit of land that separates the bay from the ocean.  Did you ever learn any more about that Frank?

I do, yes.  It's my belief that the KLPD/FBI/Prosecutor has been offering information to the family or JQK for months now.

Here's another question.  If (and I think they will ) they find remains of Natalee when they do the ocean search will she be returned to her family right away or do you think they will take a long time to release her remains?  If they find her will there be a representative of the KLPD on-site?  Geez I just want her brought homw, and laid to rest.  God Bless the family.

Hi Lisa...no....but we are hoping

Not yet.  We're waiting.

I can just visualize Paulus hiding behind the bushes while Beth is standing there yelling "hello, anybody home?"

I said this once before.  If I found her remains I would not tell them I found them and I would just take her home.  I wouldn't want them to touch her remains.  They have done enough damage.

Tim Miller will make sure ALE/Prosecutor/KLPD/FBI is notified if anything is located.

If the Aruban marketing people were even sort of smart, they would at least fake being happy about the media being there.  An increase in the economy is just that.  Smart folks would be putting on the dog while the world is watching.  It's just good customer service. 

What was I thinking?

Time to light up the cigars and watch something good:

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Port Valerie

Exact words of the Chief of Police ... who I assume spoke from a foundation of knowledge ... stated in an Abram's interview in October, 2005.

Janet

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Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
October 12, 2005

DOMPIG:  So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

NYC - Greta is on the plane right now, I'm not so sure about Beth.  That photo and the article is referring to the last time Beth and Greta were there.

Hey BB, love your avi, I can almost hear the bells singing "hey urine it's time to face the music." Music to my ears.

OS

OS

I'm with ya, San.  Scoop and run. 

Be sure you have a tail gunner with a good aim.

Aruba Lawyers Dispute Holloway Evidence 
Monday November 26, 2007 4:23pm 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/1107/475612.html

Oranjestad, Aruba (AP) - Lawyers for one of three men re-arrested in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway accused prosecutors today of rehashing old evidence and predicted all three suspects will be released again.

The two defense attorneys told reporters that prosecutors gave them an 11 page summary of the evidence and said it mostly contained segments of interrogations that had not been transcribed previously and recordings of conversations from cell phones and discussions inside the home of their client, Satish Kalpoe.

They disputed prosecution claims that the evidence - submitted to a judge to justify detaining their client and the two others - is significant or new.

Prosecutors have said they cannot comment on the evidence.

Surinamese brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were re-arrested November 21st along with Dutchman Joran van der Sloot on suspicion of involvement in the death of Holloway. The Mountain Brook teen was last seen leaving a bar with them on May 30th, 2005. Despite extensive searches, no trace has been found of Holloway.

All three suspects have denied any involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Klaasend - Oh ok. Thanks for the update!

WOOHOO...thanks NYC...wonder if anita is gonna wanna meet with Beth NOW!!!!

I don't think Phil Keating knows what he's talking about. CNN agrees that JVDS will be held for 8 more days but doesn't say anything about a total of 16 days or that the Kalpoes will be held for a total of 10. If JVDS were being held for 16 days, that would mean that the first 8 days will be allowed to run their course and then a new 8 days will be applied. And the Kalpoes are getting an additional 2 days? This all sounds like Phil Keating doesn't get it. I am still wondering when the JVDS 8 day countdown starts -- last week or today? And won't the Kalpoes' 8 days end at the end of this week? What then? He has not answered my questions.

LOL...you were thinking like a smart rational person...not like an aruban

If you take Hodges theories about the unconscious seriously, the most glaring thing to me about Dompig's 48 hour interview is when he went out of his way to mention the radar that tracks all boats leaving or arriving in Aruba.

His unconscious spoke.

You are welcome SunnyinTX! Sorry, I have no idea, about that. But please read under text from Klaasend. This article is not sure. Or it's now!

Kalpoe attorneys speak 1:18

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/11/26/sot.wix.holloway.cnn

CCB..I LOVE THIS!!!!

I heard this too and still cant figure out what the hell he is trying to say.  Sure sounded like someone trying to spin something but had no idea how to spin it

Seriously, if your economy was in the crapper and suddenly a bunch of people show up on short notice and who knows how long they're going to stay, why wouldn't you try to change the impression of those people?  People talk to other people.  If you have a great experience, you will tell 5 people but if it's terrible, you'll tell 25.  If they think the boycott wasn't working before, imagine if all the people who come in conjunction with this case have a crappy stay!  Figure out how many others they will tell about that crappy experience. 

Martha on FOX says 8 more days.  Her math is better than Surfer Phil.

The comments are new Klaas...I posted it yesterday. I think it says she will be BACK in Aruba and 24ora is using the photo from last time. Anyway...the comments are new. Some are quite threatening.

FOR EXAMPLE>>>>
Clandestino said:

  Greta, remember one thing: IF YOU ARE A BIG TREE, WE ARE THE SMALL AXE!! READY TO CUT YOU DOWN, READY TO CHOP YOU DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Notice how none of the defense lawyers tell us SPECIFICALLY what "old" evidence is being reshuffled?

Why won't anyone ask them?

seems to me the telephone conversation indicates something very clearly said by one of the killers

for example

"well, we put her in the cage and dumped her 3 miles off the _ _ _ _ _ area"

OR

"she died when we were driving in the car"


OR

"the drugs we slipped in the drinks were too much and she died"


AND

put that together with the ORIGINAL CONFESSION that JORAN made (in my opinion)
that conveniently got lost in the shuffle

well, GUESS WHAT

its BACK


they are DONE

GO GET PAULUS

Nut - yes I know but the mention of Beth and Greta together in Aruba is referring to the old trip along with the photo.

Beth may be on her way to Aruba but I don't think it's with Greta.

How True Frank,  That was a great tidbit he gave out.  But didn't he expound on it that a boat had gone out that night.  Gee, I wonder if those links still exist?

ok...I knew all that. Perhaps the problem is...is that I can't understand NYC when she posts, then comments...come across. I must have misunderstood the whole thing, I guess...lol.

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Amigoe.com TranslationJoran of of the ditch leave under accompaniment by means of a they staircase the airport bldg. Hato on doorreis from the Netherlands to Aruba, where he was interrogated in week end and it was taken before today to the rechter-commissaris. By leaving him by means of Curaçao travel, the media on Aruba - among which announces almost all American networks and several from the Netherlands - on the found oneself leg were put. Photograph: Renée Gielen

ORANJESTAD - Dutch and arubaanse inspectors under the guidance of the Arubaansepolitiecommissaris Adolpho ` Dolphi Richardson and a not at namegenoemde rotterdamse politie-commissaris, Joran of of the ditch (20) have interrogated last week end. Vanmiddag the boy became who suspected becomes of doodslag or heavy maltreatment on the American Natalee Holloway, heard by the rechter-commissaris concerning lengthening of the voorarrest with eight days. "the coming days continue certainly we with interrogating him", communicate to public prosecutor capsule crumb. The provisional detention has been meant further in the research come. Vanmiddag after drieën we send out a press bulletin concerning the voorgeleiding. That was after fence of this newspaper. The lawyer's office of of of the ditch expects that the preservation is extended automatically almost certain. In the procedure to get him to Aruba the rechter-commissaris have been already gone by the ` pieces, as a result of which seem the voorgeleiding rather on a formality. "a type mustard after the meal", thus a representative of the office. Still the lawyers of the suspected brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe give as well as that of Joran of of the ditch that they expect little of the ` new proof material of the Public Prosecution Service (OM): ` the old data have been seen with new eyes; ` they have the same facts, but there another optical device has been set up; and ` as a hemd to which none three but four buttons zitten'. the medium interest increases on Aruba, however, but has not yet the same proporties as a couple year suffered, shortly after the disappearance of Holloway in May 2005. for the office of Public Prosecution Service stand established this way now and then camera plough and also the house of the family of of the ditch frequently are visited. Nobody missing seems want be confessed a glimp as more concerning the new proofs in the vermissingszaak of Natalee Holloway. Meanwhile arrival is also communicated of the receiver Greta van Susteren van Fox News. Recently she was still in the country for promotion of the book of the mother of Natalee Holloway, Beth Twitty. Possibly she these also yielded themselves comes to Aruba. International media try in contact to come with the public authorities Aruba know Tourism Authority (ATA) or the ` reopening of the matter have an impact on tourism. All requests to this end are however so far refused. ` more rather little girls doped and abused suspected in the holloway matter more earlier little girls have doped to abuse them vervolgens, who communicate the telegraph. The morning newspaper also weet to communicate that the former research LEADER ` justice has been rockly-hard tapped on the fingers and can say nothing more concerning the research. "police force man Gerard Dompig suggested that infiltranten have been used against of of the ditch." Not only the Netherlands, but very the world looks with at this matter. Each possible indication is seized for this reason to make a tale or item. Former public prosecutor heals Lejuez, who assists at present the mother of Natalee, Beth Holloway, as a lawyer, says compared with ABC News that she thinks that suspected thought that they were no longer eavesdropped on. "it is a long time ago and people relax themselves and will perhaps talk - to solicit who they have never said, and indicters and policemen are good auditors." CBS News has it concerning a tel. prerecording which would show that of the brothers has gone to the range in the night that Holloway disappeared.

Dompig wouldnt know a radar from a friggen microwave oven.

We know there was a boat involved.  When Joran said he doesnt like to go out on boats because he gets seasick- that is pretty much 100% confirmation that Joran was out on a boat that night.

Nut44x4 - I am sorry  :oops: My English is still not very well. What do u want to know about my post?

I'd love to see a good investigative reporter on the streets of aruba...talking to the locals and the tourists...one who isn't afraid to ask the tough questions...following it with more questions

We have a photo of Joran on one of the Red Sail catamarans.  I agree, Joran was out on a boat that night.

maybe their cell phones pinged a tower or 2 in Venezuala that night?  Maybe their text messages went through cell towers in Venezuala? Do we know the area they are going to do the water search later this week - is it between Aruba and Venezuala?

bleachedblack ... the resources have been available to search the deeper Aruban waters ... all Dompig had to do was pick up the phone and call the FBI.  However ... he refused.  Why?

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
January 25, 2006

TWITTY: ... And, you know, I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
November 1, 2005

MILLER: We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.

I'd love to know the answer to that Frank

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Amigoe.com TranslationPhotograph: Renée Gielen ORANJESTAD/willemstad - this exclusive photograph is of Renée Gielen, television producer and documentairemaker resident and operative on Curaçao, which the matter holloway from the beginning - in May 2005 - keeps track of.

 Friday she knew as of the weinigen that suspected Joran of of the ditch from the Netherlands by means of Hato on Curaçao to Aruba doorvliegen. This whereas at Reina Beatrix on Aruba all kinds of camera plough, photographers and journalists unfruitfully for its arrival sat wait. Of of the ditch Friday afternoon with the KLM on Curaçao arrived. He was according to reports introduced on Schiphol as first the toestel and came after landing on Hato as a last from the plane. Later he - again under accompaniment of the arubaanse police force commissioner Dolphi Richardson - left some hours with Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) to Aruba. Gielen, which made the photograph, have also tv-opnamen. Even if 2.5 year long she pays themselves on the question which also all occupy that time the world, getuige the presence of American networks such as CNN, fox News, NBC and CBS. Last week Saturday also kondigde Gielen in the Amigoe to a documentary the matter holloway make to concern and and for that to America to go. She has already hours picture material. Its observations concerning the possible drug past of Natalee - on declarations of its stiefvader Jug based Twitty and its friend Mitch compared with meanwhile ex-taxichauffeuse the Trina - Gielen a lot have produced criticism. Among other things of telegraph misdaadverslaggever John of pine hillock, which sweeps the floor with her in its column on the Internet site of Dutch largest newspaper. He believes nothing of its theory and statements. The journalist quotes in this moreover exhaustive litterally text of the Amigoe, without calling newspaper this antillian/arubaanse as a source. Beside Gielen the Curaçaose newspaper Vigilante are the only those pictures have of of of the ditch on doorreis to Aruba. Vigilante, a morning booklet which specialises himself in room police force - and justice news, could malignant with a ticket bought the departure hall of Curaçao international come in Airport and made to moving pictures of him and its speculator, whereas the twenty-year-old verdachte quietly sits wait at gate. These pictures meanwhile - with source indication - by means of CNN the world has gone around.

this would be BOMBSHELL evidece.  If their cell phones hit towers off the shore of venezula.

This is how I invision JQK right about now:  :lol:

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lol
yep

Does anyone know if there is any FBI on the island?  Are they helping with the interrogations?  Any confirmation they are involved at all?

Cell site Range

The maximum range of a mast (where it is not limited by interference with other masts nearby) depends on the same circumstances. Some technologies, such as GSM, have a fixed maximum range of 40km (25 miles), which is imposed by technical limitations. CDMA and iDEN have no built-in limit, but the limiting factor is really the ability of a low-powered personal cell phone to transmit back to the mast. As a rough guide, based on a tall mast and flat terrain, it is possible to get between 50 to 70 km (30-45 miles). When the terrain is hilly, the maximum distance can vary from as little as 5 to 8 km (3 to 5 miles).[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site#Cell_site_range

I haven't heard a word about the FBI Blah

So, it IS posible that they might be using cell towers to prove they were on the water somewhere between aruba and another South American country  :wink:

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I am interesting, who this male is? Does someone knows?

Blah ... if the  Dutch and Aruban administrations were serious in regards to their desire that justice for Natalee Holloway prevails ... an outside investigative agency ... one whose members have no personal or professional relationship with Paulus van der Sloot would be requested.  I cannot comprehend how the Dutch and Arubans are allowed to investigate ... prosecute and ... judge their own.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA - TWAN HUYS
June 28, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

Votre Anglais c'est bonne, mon amis.

If they do not invite the FBI to help, then it is glaringly obvious that they are still trying to hide something.  Just look at all the cases outside our borders since Natalee has disappeared where the FBI was invited to help. 

I think it's possible. It depends on what network they were on and if Setar or Aruban phones are allowed to work on Venezuelan towers. I would imagine they have a roaming agreement with Aruba and the neighboring islands. I can't imagine a tower working that far out but a couple miles of the coast of Venezuela sounds possible. Nothing to obstruct these towers if placed close to coastline except miles of ocean(No Hills)

NYC...I don't know...I can only surmise it is an aruban LE....I am sure I read that  he was being escorted back to aruba by aruban LE

No problem NYC...I think I have it now.

Je consens, mon ami

I doubt it.

That person in NYC'S photo may be Dolphi Richardson. There were reports he was coming back with Joran.

Do you suppose that's Dolphi Richardson?  It's difficult to tell from here.

Did anyone watch Dan Abrams and if so, what did you glean from it?

 4th arrest!! Steve Croes is now in jail, AGAIN.The Parrot will speak! Hopefully.(get it?) Remember the beginning?
Paulus and Anita are being protected, terrible to speculate on that but higher ups are still ALE along with the Dutch.
The reason Joran does not know where th body is is that he didn't bury her the second time, the connections did. The out to sea info Dave Hollowaty is working on is from captured conversations. The old info at hand is the Jansen info about cell phone records and inconsistincies. The computer at K@ house was time altered, that is now in the mix, add a police van secret taping of their conversation and you get a guilty JK2.  This case would have been solved 2 years ago if it werent stalled by ALE including Ben Voking, Van Straaten (now bonaire chief of police and cathouse custodian) and others.

SGC!!

If, by the end of this week, Paulus is not in jail, someone with a boat is not in jail, and there is no confirmation of the FBI being on the island, helping with interrogations, then we could assume this is all just another show. 

Right now - no one bigger than the 3 creeps in jail - I dont like it.  Something stinks.  Mos saying all the right things just doest cut it for me.  Show me something that says "we are serious, we are gonna nail everyone involved"

Steve Croes was arrested?? Where did that come from? Was it on a news channel?

Whoaaaaaaaaa nellie!!!! SC ??????? No shit! :shock:

ok...is this new news or old? You all keep getting me excited and then find out it's the old stuff!!!

Tyler I didn't watch

Klaas, I sent you mail.

Get outta town! 

Haven't heard that of FOX yet.

STEVE CROES???  Next up PVDS!

me too....I checked the news sites and nothing there...Tony is this true?  Where did you get the information?

Tylergal and SunnyinTX - Remercie mon ami.... When I sees this good in France.  :wink:

Hey Sweetie!! Sent you mail too!! Not going to last much longer!! Have a fever and sick as a dog...going to bed soon!!

Tony - is this FOR SURE?  Steve Croes?

Nut44*4 - Ok thank you, I try just work hard on my English. I am from Dutch and have never good learned English, sense last year, by all the nice American people. I just learning much from u all.

I've been recording CNN and so far no reports in the last hour.

your english is great!  If you want to see some people who cant speak english, come to work with me one day  :lol: :lol: :lol:

NYC...you are doing just great!!!
Nut...I still crack up like crazy when I see the "come across"!!!!

Hello all. This is happy news. I have not posted in awhile. I believe they have known where the body was and so did the family. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The Dutch have had enough and have had the evidence for a long time. The time is ripe for bringing this travesty to an end. The fish have been pushed into the shallow and the feeding is about to begin. They will get rid of the weak first (JK2) and start with the grown fish soon as they digest the small.  The players know who they are and I am sure are just waiting their turn unless they have VERY powerful connections. Most of the players have cashed their chips earlier and now have to pay the house of Hague. The money lost is the motivating factor. The NL has not the resources or desire to keep afloat this hell hole. THe names will be changed and prosperity will once again flow. I think the unrest of the downturned economy forced the move. As sad is it is in this world, money still is the most motivating factor. Those who have it want more and the situation in Aruba is not providing the necessary cash flow. FOr this and the only reason justice will prevail. THe rich and powerful tried to make this go away in a perverted manner and it bit them where it hurt. As in anything time changes and so do views the concensus now is to let the guily drown in the cesspool they created. The weak do not survive. It is basic a human instinct. Just my thoughts. There is much more to come but only out of the view of millions. Appease the wolves now and clean up after they go.

NYC, the syntax involved in English is very irregular.  I'm sure it would be tough to try and pick up as an adult. 

I'm waiting for confirmation on that Steve Croes news item, Tony.

Think I need to update this photo...  :lol:


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Maybe what the prosecutor presented to the judge (just to hold J2K for 8 days) was some of the old evidence.

We don't know what Janssen presented to the judge at that time.  She could/probably held back a lot of evidence.

It just might be that the judge has never see the "old" evidence before, and if not, that would be enough for this first go around. 

My opinion, the "new" evidence will be used to hold J2K an additional 30 days OR to go to trial.

The prosecutor seems and even says he's confident with the evidence he has; he has not waivered at all. 

And...I would think he would have to be confident before he brought the world down on Aruba again.

de rien, le mien est limité

Love that one Klaas!!!

I am sorry you are ill.....get well soon...I'll email you of there is anything new on the case....no email???

Hi Flyer -

I agree with all of the above!

Tyler,

Dan Abrams comes on at 9 pm..

So, Tony comes on, makes a statement like that and just leaves????  Sounds suspicious

 When he says that Paulis and Anita are being protected  How are you meaning that  and How did you find this out ?  Thanks in advance

I think Tony may have just been saying who he wants to see or who he thinks will be arrested next, not that it has already happened.

.

trying to hang in there until we get confirmation on Steve Croes!!! Bed is calling me though!! I sent ya an update via e-mail. Can't get rid of this fever!!

Was this the one arrested 2 years ago? Tony may have Googled it and thought it was recent.

Well he should IMO then...not blurt it out and fly like that  :smt091 :smt092

Joe T. was just on cnn prime news--the woman hosting it asked him how does a U.S. attorney defend a client when all of this is going on in Aruba and not the U.S.  He said it is a problem but he is coordinating the defense with the lawyers in Aruba, he has investigated, go emails, messages etc. She asked him if he had turned all this over to the  authorities in Aruba--he said NO he would not discuss what he had or will do but if they intend on bringing Joran to trial then he will get involved and expose everything going on.
SICK, SICK, SICK. :smt078 :smt078

Thank you blah. Well, work with u? Why? For to learn good English? Or something else?

Hi Guys..Please use the musings thread for off topic discussions..Thanx..

I just Googled----Steve Croes arrest----and the first item on the list is a link to a Fox news report from June 2005
The headline is "Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery" and the article is about Steve Croes being brougt in for questioning.

Maybe this is what he saw and didn't see the date?

What about a ball and chain around each one of them   :lol:

Steve Croes??? Did he even make our poll?

Well, let's see: Deepak called him to verify the HI story, so his testimony could be incriminating. Wonder if Deepak also mentioned WHY he needed Steve to lie for him? Hmmmm, very interesting.

NO drive-bys in the Monkey cage!!! lol :smt072 :smt071 :smt070 :smt068 :smt067 :smt066

My sentiments exactly.

Logic dictates that any authentic wiretapping conducted by Aruban/Dutch authorities at the Kalpoes' and/or VDS' residences would have implicated Paulus van der Sloot ... not just Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Why was Paulus van der Sloot not detained last week along with Joran, Deepak and Satish?

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 184 - Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.

Sorry NYC, it was just a bad joke.  I work with a bunch of little japanese guys who really dont speak good engrish at all   :lol: :lol:

Waiting to hear it from another source.  I will say though I think Tony has some connections in Aruba.  We shall see.

o.k. te limité a été limité, mien aussi....lol. I don't speak much words France. :wink:

Ok, I understand. Let stop about it, (another u can email me) and let we go back talking about the case.

That's what I was thinking as well, Klaas, that Tony is being the Paul Revere and we will know more details later.  Did SC serve as captain of Koan's boat, the reason he was fired?

I have always had a feeling that SGC was wearing a sign that said "this man's for hire.."

Oh, I thought someone said 6 a.m. and I was wondering.  I turned there once and that spittle-mouth Matthews was on and I cannot bear to watch him and hear him.

Klaasend - this is great news, again a suspect arrested.
I am sorry all, I have to go, for sleeping. I see u all tomorrow. A have a great evening.

Even though we don't know for sure about Steve Croes yet, I decided to include him in this exclusive KIA TWO STEP video:   :lol: :lol:

http://www.jibjab.com/starring_you/receipt/3503385

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There's actually a number of pieces of information reported by Tony, if true.

Paulus and Anita being protected.  (Dutch need to take care of that)

Police van taped J2K conversations (tee hee)

"The connections hid the body" and Joran doesn't know where it is could be the reason Joran could pass a polygraph question "where is the body"

Oh, and if we didn't know it already, the case was stalled by the ALE

Tony posted a few times after the arrests last week.  I thought I remembered him saying that he would be in Aruba this week.  (Is this the one that works on the cruise ship?)

Dayhiker - thank you! Well I am sure not worry, I can articles better read then itself write.