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It's Robot's fault - he had me looking for that photo of Anita in the see through blouse  :lol: :lol:

Uh Oh, Mods are slippin'   :D  We made it to page #51, then my 'puter locked up....  coincidence?

Yikes!  I have never seen that pic before, but I have a good feeling I don't want to...that monster in a see through blouse....disgusting lol.

heheheheh... well its not that i like it but i dont like her and it makes me not like her even more.. :cool:

I am going to stay up and watch Greta if I have to drink some coffee to do it!  I caught Nancy Grace, however.  Doubt much else has been added but want to see Mos interview.

I was in the midst of doing it, Klaas! I got this one unlocked and had the lock all ready.........  :lol:

MINE TOO, Dihannah...........I had to start all over and was trying to hurry and transfer us!  :shock:

Eeewwww,  I don't want to see something THAT disgusting tonight!    ROBOTS!  Why would you wanna see that.

AND Oh yeah!  I beat you!!!   

you will like it  :cool:

LOL.... its worth a few laughs
i could have gotten in, first
i chose not to  :wink: :cool:

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Darn it!  When I first came over, I only saw my post......  Darn Robots!  And then try to torture us with disgusting pics. of Anita....

Robots - I know I have it somewhere but I really don't feel like looking through the thousands of photos I have saved on my external HD just to get blinded by Anita's bra  :lol:

perhaps klass can blame dugga for the door being wide open   :cool:

i think he is tinkering on another  section of the site


dugga will never know  :2doh:

Another thing that Mos said tonight that I forgot.
He reminded the Kalpoe lawyers that there was a gag order
regarding the evidence.

On that sick question on RU, no!  Mitachondrial DNA is passed through the mother only.  But Glenda did once post about the suspects whom she called the boys being traumatized by touching cold, dead flesh which I found very ghoulish.  They would know immediately it was bone from a male as well.

Stupid idiot!

There are some sick people in this world.

you are correct

JOE T is enough for one night
we dont need to see 2 slugs in one night  :lol:

I was looking for that picture then I saw you post...I thought, OH NO... :lol:

that reminds me of this -

watch the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MPfvt5tR8M

if you are under 18... close your eyes and ears..

 :P

Oh, good!  I think Hans is VERY HANDSOME.

 :D

Did I shock everybody into silence?  Guess you all are all typed out but I had to go out and missed Greta while driving home.  I will see the real deal at midnight here instead of watching the vid, thanks anyway ******* and all who posted links.  Will use them as last resort if I fall asleep and miss it a second time.  I want to see Mos face when he is talking.  I will do "thought prints" on him, LOL.    :cool:

I'm still here... I think that video blinded everyone else. :lol: :lol:

No, I'm just worn out, LOLOL  :lol:

Mos said on Greta's show:  when you arrest someone 2 years later you have to have some "serious stuff" and that exactly what we had.

 :cool: :cool: :cool: PUT YOUR SUNGLASSES ON   :cool: :cool: :cool:

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I'M tired also :( I had to watch the videos twice to digest it all  :2doh:

joran DRANK A lot

Yep, had to show good reason to arrest them after all this time.

I definitely have to agree with you...he is a handsome man and has such a unique, sexy name.  I better stop with that lol.

I am real happy to hear about the Holloway's upcoming search.  At first I heard they wouldn't be there til December, but I am so happy to hear that isn't the case.  I really hate to say it, but I do hope they find her body.  I just hope the family doesn't have to see whatever remains are left, I think that would be so hard after this much time.  This family didn't deserve any of this, I just really feel for them.

 I hear yah. I am brain dead..  :(   :cool:

Did someone call for disgusting pics?

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Sorry for the repost. I'm far too easily entertained.

Klaas is ALWAYS two steps ahead of me!!!

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Dugga did you watch my vid?

I would like your professional opinion. :lol:

Yes, I hope they find her as well.  It sure sounds like they have a specific area they are going to be searching too.  JQK sounded optimistic to me.

geeeesh, i know im not the best looking guy out there BUT holy moses
if someone took a picture of me and i saw that i would rip it up right away

be right back, i need to get sick  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Glad I am only 18 1/2   :2doh:

Yes and that needs to be explained to the idiots that are representing Joran on TV and those same TV stations taking it as fact. We all knew that it had to be new serious evidence to arrest them after all this time. If they get 60 more days on JK2 then we should all feel pretty good that this will go to trial.

that's called an arranged marriage to the village idiot. :lol:

i thought you were 24  :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

WOW!!!  I can't believe what I am seeing in that pic.  What is wrong with that woman, what was she thinking?  I don't know which one of them is the bigger clown.

lol

Posted by Lazlo at Ru:

Lazlo wrote:

Mos said that both Joran and Paulus have said while interviewed they know more and will tell when the time is right. Mos said that time was now.

About Paulus;
Paulus said to Peter R de Vries (by phone, I still have it on tape) that they had a lot to tell, but that he did not feel the time was right because it would hurt so many ppl.
Peter R de Vries taped the conversation with Paulus (it was very clear) and put it in his show.

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Klaasend - not only Peter R. De Vries was taped the conversation, what are you think about the police?

  Ackkkkkkkkkk .  FUGLY.. all I can say is FUGLY....... Inside and out  :o

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YOU!  I would absolutely DIE if a pic of me with my bra showing so clear came out.   Let alone, allowing it to get on the internet!

 :wink:  Yep... I am..  :shock: I forgot..   That makes YOU 24 too...   :lol:

You know, watching that again was interesting. I wonder if Hans insinuated something when he gave the examples of "finding Natalee's body" or someone producing a video of the killing of the girl, as huge. I wonder if he thinks there may be a video, or if he was holding out hope of Tim's successful water search?

Oh my god, Rob. I'm crying over here.

First of all, I don't want to know how long it took you to pull all that together. I really liked it!

That is, until the red flashing "headlights" came on about 3/4 of the way thru, that's when I teared up from laughing and decided that I LOVED IT!

Recommended viewing 18 and over!  :smt023  :smt023  :smt023  :smt023  :smt023

I thought Robots just turned 89?  :-?

  LMAO  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We've all heard him and Joran make such comments....
Well, I wish it would come out already, instead of him and his lil sporter bragging about something to tell later.  It's obviously not something to exonerate themselves, or it would be out  by now.  Since when did they give a sh^t about anybody else, besides themselves!  How freakin' stupid can they be for making such idiotic comments like that!   Nothing to hide?  Then spill it already!

In Robot years..  LOL    Welcome Calico..  :) Some of us have a weird sense of humor   :) 

Hello everyone!!

I'm just now watching Greta, and I have to say...I really like this new Prosecutor!  He seems to know his stuff, and appears very confident regarding his involvement in presenting his case.  Maybe things will get done this time...

 I agree TS..  !

Dugga - thanks!!! It didn't take that long to put together... like one day...well two days really.
did it break your eyes Dugga? my other vid - Aruba Driftin' on the Darkside - got pulled after 8000 views and 80 comments...Good Lord, those comments would make you laff you ass off.... but Carpe has it on his YouTube Account... if ya wanna see it...

Here is 'Aruba Driftin' on the Darkside'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drbL5Db9Vo

I just watched the Mos interview and this guy is impressive and confident. I kind of feel sorry for the kalpoe attorney. He's going to lose on 2 counts, this guy better have more than David Kock in his hand when he tangles with Mos and his team of 45.

I'm feeling pretty confident that Hans Mos will make short work of Joran.

It's the Paulus showdown that I'm interested in.

He did say that "one way or another, Paulus is involved."

Guys, all of a sudden, I am exhausted. I'm going to get ready for bed. Have a wonderful night, and if you're so inclined, please remember the Monkeys in need and the hope for justice in this case. Sleep well and may smiling angels watch over you all night long!  :smt052

LOL  I think I prefer you being 89 because it makes me feel so much younger lol...I am 22 in human years  :)

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 ROB  :smt082 :dj: :drunken: :smt046, that is freakin' hilarious!

Monkeys.. keep up the good work.

Remember not to put the batteries wrong in the remote for Direct TV :roll: then my ISP went down... oh the excitement of today!

Mr. Mos seemed, IMO, to have more blinking when talking about what can be said now in public.. IMO he was very aware of the difference on our two systems and blinks more when he'd like to tell more but can't.

I liked the part where he said that Joran and Paulus had said they knew what happened or something like that and they would tell when they were ready

He said the time is now.

Seems to me he is telling Joran and Paulus it's time to use the outhouse or get out (PC here)

Who is the investigator for??? the one that looks like an ex-line man. Like where he licked his lips after saying that.. opps missed the exact words but it was that Joran was not guilty.

Liked when Mr. Mos said that this time was different than just coming into the police station to answer a few questions  :lol: does this means that someone believes the PV's were on the "lighter side", that real questions were never asked or followed up on?

I agree Frank..  :)    Time will tell about PVDS. IMo he wil go down as well... and others IMO. 

Hi Di :D :lol:

Not sure what you mean?

Yes, that is what most of are thinking and feel too!  Mos seems honest and a take no sh^t kinda guy!  He's definately not intimidated by Paulus!

Hi Rob, great job!  I hadn't seen some of those pics of him passed out.  It was awesome!

 :lol: :lol:

 I hope I did the quote right.   :shock: been here over 2 years and still mess it all up   :wink:
  Robots 89 in dinosaur age...  LOL  Me?  No way.. I wont live that long..  lol 

Yep, this guy means business!

Where the hell is YAP when one needs her,. I have hiccups.. Bigtime   :shock:

Did anyone hear Satish's atty (the one formally with the two brothers before) Mr. Kock, I think.. say when Greta asked him were you there when they were previously questioned (as an atty) and he said no...

If I heard that correctly... then why was Paulus there at when Joran was being grilled?

Paulus wasn't Joran's atty.

I can't get Greta's online site.. my 56k is too slow after she changed her site... would someone please post the transcript of the show. TIA

he's a freak... no doubt.

Posted by Heli at RU:

Greta Nov 26, 2007 David Koch TRANSCRIPT

On The Record
November 26, 2007

Transcribed from DVD recording

Greta:

Do you still represent both Kalpoe brothers?

Koch:

Yes, I represent them both, the only thing is we have a limitation these couple of days. Last week the Judge confirmed on the request of the DA that we do not have contact with one of the defendants, one of the brothers because they think there might be a conflict between them, no?

Greta:

Which is standard

Koch:

Which, in itself, is not strange were it for not we're 2-1/2 years further down the road being representing both client two years and you know if we wanted to have something set up or concurred or something like that there would be sufficient time to have done it already, so I don't see the reason for it now

Greta:

Whose idea was it that there might be a conflict?

Koch:

It was the DA

Greta:

Which is really, typically it's not his business, it's your clients' problem and not the DA's, typically

Koch:

Yes, but in light of his concern for the investigation and the truth coming out he won't want the brothers trying to get any information by the same lawyer, what one said and one didn't, one did not say

Greta:

So who do you have contact with? Which of the two?

Koch:

Satish we represent, because he was our first client also, no?

Greta:

And I remember Deepak in the beginning was represented by another firm

Koch:

That's right

Greta:

Rudy

Koch:

Ooemen

Greta:

Rudy Ooemen. Have you spoken to your client since he's been in custody?

Koch:

Of course, we try almost daily to keep in touch

Greta:

Does Deepak have a lawyer now, a different lawyer?

Koch:

yes, we arranged for one from another law firm and we are Thursday having the appeal against that decision for us not to represent him so we hope you know, that we can take that case back, also again very shortly

Greta:

Did you know they were going to be picked up?

Koch:

No, it was a surprise to us

Greta:

No indication, none whatsoever?

Koch:

No, none whatsoever, it was a real surprise

Greta:

Since the new Chief Prosecutor came to Aruba in May, has he asked to speak to your clients?

Koch:

Since May, no

Greta:

Not once

Koch:

No

Greta:

How about the police?

Koch:

No

Greta:

Would your clients have coluntarily spoken to them?

Koch:

They would have voluntarily, if they were called they would have appeared there. A different is what is to be understood on the voluntarily spoken no? Their position is that that they have given so many statements already about this thing and they don't want to go and repeating and answering the same kind of questions. If they have nothing new, their position is they have nothing new to say or to add.

Greta:

Are they being held in two different facilities?

Koch:

Yes, two different police stations

Greta:

Has Satish been interrogated since he's been picked up?

Koch:

Yes he has been interrogated

Greta:

What kind of hours are these interrogations?

Koch:

Not many hours. I think even the DA's of the opinion that there's nothing much against them but they keep treating the same group you know, they keep them together so I think they also not have them arrested and not interrogating them

Greta:

Are you present for all the interrogations?

Koch:

No, in our system it doesn't work like that

Greta:

According to the press release, they have new evidence

Koch:

That's according to the press release, the documents that we have received for Satish, doesn't show that

Greta:

Are they obliged to turn over to you what they believe to be new evidence at this point?

Koch:

Yes but not constantly, so it's not something might be new and we might get it a couple of days after they have had it

Greta:

But in terms of the new evidence that provoked this arrest of Satish, you have that new evidence in your possesion

Koch:

Yes I do

Greta:

Describe it for me, what kind of evidence is it?

Koch:

It's just actually, most of it is they analyzed the videos of the interrogations from 2-1/2 years ago and new experts thought that certain parts of it that were not noted in the document of the investigation were important and therefore new

Greta:

So is it inconsistencies that are new or is there actually like , oh my God here's a new piece of information

Koch:

No, no new piece of information. Actually it's just the detectives or the team of investigation now is of the opinion that certain things that were said that were noted are important now, and that's why it's new so it's because they call it new, but actually they just shook it and took something down

Greta:

Well why would the prosecutor pick these 3 up, I mean he puts his career on the line if it really isn't new

Koch:

yes, once again we cannot speak for Deepak at this moment and van der Sloot, so we do not know if in their documents there's something really new, I can only speak for what regards Satish. Like I said, I think too much they think I cannot detain one without maybe the other. I don't know if that is the reasoning they're using, in any case with our client there's insufficient, nothing new that would scare us or give us other thoughts on the developments of the case

Greta:

Is this the new evidence right there?

Koch:

yeah, yeah

Greta:

Can you pick it up, so you can show it

Koch:

I can show you but I can't show you the content

Greta:

That's what it is

Koch:

Yeah, that's what it is. It's 12 pages summarized and the other documents are just supporting documents

Greta:

So 12 pages and that packet, you don't know if Deepak and Joran got identical packets

Koch:

Right

Greta:

They could have gotten different packets

Koch:

Yes because it might be new things only pertaining to them, you know we don't get in this phase of the investigation the whole file of everybody. We just gets what pertains to our client

Greta:

On a 1 to 10 scale, 10 being really powerful evidence against Satish in these 12 pages and 0 being 0, where are we standing on that?

Koch:

-1

Greta:

-1 alright, so we're below that. How old is Satish?

Koch:

Right now he's 21, 22

Greta:

How's he doing?

Koch:

Well of course he's not happy with the developments. Again he's during school time, he's being arrested with all the consequences of that but other than that and being uncomfortable where you are of course, but other than that he's not worried, he's like let's just fight this like we did in the past with many different things, so he's confident it'll be alright

Greta:

Since the new prosecutor came in in May have there been warrants executed against Satish and Deepak?

Koch:

Since May? I don't know the exact date, the last one was when they did the check of the house no? Do the tests with the signal of the phones etc. I can't recall right now if that was May or June but it was around that time but other than that, let me tell you in the new documents that they have presented, the latest one, was of June of this year, that's 5 months ago

Greta:

Is there any new evidence related to computer equipment, content of internet postings or e-mail or anything like that, text messages?

Koch:

yeah, they had some phone tap records and some chat sessions

Greta:

Because that's what we sort of were piecing together as the new stuff, is that it has something to do with something that was put in a posting, chatting, e-mail that kind of stuff

Koch:

That's what they're saying but in respect to our client, no

Greta:

So they're saying it about Deepak and Joran

Koch:

I don't know

Greta:

But not to your client

Koch:

No, or not that it pertains to my client

Greta:

What do you know about the new prosecutor? Have you ever met him before?

Koch:

Yeah, I've met him. We have many cases, small items, so we meet each other a lot

Greta:

And thursday is the big day for whether you'll represent Deepak

Koch:

yes, it will be the hearing. I don't know if the ruling will be the same day but that will be the day of the hearing

Greta:

Any new evidence on Joran that you know about?

Koch:

Not that I know   
 

I posted about this in the last thread, but I don't think anybody saw it or maybe nobody had a comment, who knows, so I thought I would post it again.  I was thinking about the phone records they have said they have and I remember a point where Joran had said he was no longer friends with the Kalpoes and they were no longer speaking to each other.  It just made me wonder if that was actually the case, then the phone taps would probably be from early on in the investigation.  But it is also completely possible that it was just another lie on Joran's part, he is a pro at lying.  

To add to this a little, I also remember in the Skeeters transcript reading somewhere where Deepak had said he doesn't have any friends anymore, that he had lost them all due to this case.  It makes me wonder if it really would have been all that difficult to place an infiltrator because he might have been so desperate to have a friend to talk to...same with the other two maybe.

I don't know, these are just pretty random thoughts, but I have been thinking about that since I heard the evidence was possibly phone records.  Does anybody else think it's odd or think Joran was just lying?

Have a great night all..  :cool:

 Hugs to Nemo and CP   :) 

 Taking my hiccups and belly ache to bed..  :roll: :roll:

 PRAYERS and JUSTICE for Natlaee and her family !!!!!!!!!!!!   :smt052

peanut butter

Yes!  They have that and MORE!  You know deVries would send to the cops the minute he hung up the phone!

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Angie... bitters and something is supposed to work. Personally I have to talk to myself to get rid of them. :lol: :lol:

Yes, Klaas, I agree with Robots and Monkeys... The Dutch who run the pros. office and the Dutch FBI are serious.

Wonder, if like Shango said... Joran will be sacrificed... protecting someone besides himself. Hoping other heads will roll all the way up the lines of the 3 C's.. cronyism (sp?), corruption, and cover up.

NYC - ok, thanks!

I just don't know but Hans Mos is most impressive.  Even if they are not friends, Joran might still talk to the Kalpoes just to see what's up with them or to remind them of his threats that he should have killed them as well.

And did anyone else read somewhere in all these reports about something from the house of Satish?  I should have saved that!

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Attorneys Ronald Wix and David Kock told reporters that prosecutors gave them an 11 1/2-page summary of the evidence, and said it mostly contained segments of interrogations that had not been transcribed previously and recordings of conversations from cell phones and discussions inside the home of their client, Satish Kalpoe.


I believe they chose to word it as the home of Satish because that is his client since the brothers both have separate attorneys this time.

I just can't see Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers on a conference call discussing what happened. That part makes no sense to me..that seems to be one part of the allegations and I'm not sure how Mos justifies.

Anyway..

Good Nite my friends..

Sleep tight...

AHA!  Thanks!  I knew I heard that somewhere.  Yes, indeed!  Inside the home of Satish.  So Deepak and Satish were yakking it over and they have it on tape.  I bet that alone is proof Natalee is deceased!  Bet they were talking it over and plotting and scheming like anything.

Klaasend - you are welcome. I want search for it later today. I have need to go to school.  :sad:
I will see u all later today, have a great night!

I can't see that ever happening either.  I think they would be smarter than to even attempt to have a phone conversation detailing the events of that night, even if they thought nobody was listening.  I think they are a little smarter than that and I would think if they were going to discuss it, they would have done it in person just to be safe.  

Thank you for posting the transcript of Mr. Kock.. Has one been posted on Mr. Mos?

Am behind some pages in reading. TIA

Goodnight, Rob!

Liked your video and sent to my attorney who still thinks Aruba is very safe!  Have sent him link to Murder and Crime thread as well.

AHA!  Thanks!  I knew I heard that somewhere.  Yes, indeed!  Inside the home of Satish.  So Deepak and Satish were yakking it over and they have it on tape.  I bet that alone is proof Natalee is deceased!  Bet they were talking it over and plotting and scheming like anything.


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I never thought about it being a conversation between just the two brothers, but that is quite likely.  Man I can only imagine how pissed Joran would be with them right now if that is what happened.

Hi, My Little IBE!

Greta doesn't usually post a transcript until the next day, an official one sort of.  Hans Mos said so many things, I wonder if there will be one tonight.  He is a real talker unlike the previous one who would never say anything.

Vinda de Sousa, the attorney for Dave Holloway on Greta said that was the POLICY of the previous head of the Office of the Prosecution not to say anything at all to the media and that person is changed now.

It was NEVER Aruban law but POLICY they made locally by the head of the Office of Prosecution only.  Lots of things were not law but POLICY.

Maybe they have found the "lost confession" and the "lost chocolate" and a "recovered" video.

How do I find Rob's video.. sorry if it's already been posted.

IBE - no, I haven't seen that yet but if I do I'll post it

But can you see Satish and Deepak talking it over in their bedroom with the door closed?     :D  I think they did and they have them on tape.  That's gonna be hard to explain.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MPfvt5tR8M

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GOODNIGHT ALL!  I'm hoping tomorrow is PVDS day  :lol:

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Hi Anna... was very glad to hear of rain.. but not happy with hearing the US Army Corp of Engineers deverted the water to protect an endangered species with the tremendous suffering of our human species at the time.. drought et al  crop lands, farms, suffering of people and an increase in the foods costs for the Nation.

Happy day today. We all have been together for a long time. I do miss Dutchlady and some of the early ones but happy to see all the Monkey family now. I'd like to read the CodeTalkers again and the Theory and Speculation threads from then

What the Monkeys have done for Natalee, maybe we can transfer all this knowledge, our M.O. to help some others who are missing.

Maybe I shouldn't have had that coffee while watching Greta.  Now I'm all  :shock: :shock: :shock: And just about everybody is gone.
I can make myself sleepy by reading or ironing I have found, however.

OK, on Mos interview-- He said that "hand picked" interrogators from The Netherlands are "assisting" the Aruban police in the interrogations.

I would NOT want this man after me if I had done anything wrong.  I don't think the blinking meant much.  He is as determined as any Prosecutor I have ever seen in my life to bring justice and an end to this.

This is just my impression but I like to think I am a fair judge of people.

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Gads... the cameraman went fast too. Looks as if he couldn't see the hole for the key. Maybe the door will be opened tomorrow!

 :2doh:  I have been trying to catch up all day!  So many posts and ideas to share!  Just wanted to let all who feel ignored that is not the case.  Like me, I want to respond to some posts, but they become 20 pages back so  I feel like the conversation has moved on too much to respond to that particular post!  Anyway, "Nice to meet all you new posters, and all that have been around and are talking again!"  I am convinced Mos and Dutch authorities read Scared Monkeys and that is where they got the information as to prosecute the case and what to look at that was ignored originally.  Everything he has  said was originally posted and specutlated on by our smart monkeys.  

Thank you to all that congratulated me earlier.  Now I am  going to go watch the  programs I missed.  Thanks to Carpe for getting those on you tube for us.

I never thought about it being a conversation between just the two brothers, but that is quite likely.  Man I can only imagine how pissed Joran would be with them right now if that is what happened.
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A bug in their room where they talk late at night after Nadira is fast asleep?  Just imagine what they might have been saying to each other.  Details, details, details.  Would not have to necessarily be to Joran.

Remember somebody saying that if Deepak said he and Joran did it, it could not be used against Joran as an example.  Now I am thinking that may have come from somebody who knew something. 

But I would think that it COULD be used against Joran if they were talking about something they did with him regardless what this bevy of defense attorneys goes around saying.

Mos also said the REAL best evidence would only be revealed in trial so the Kalpoe's attorneys are blowing smoke when they say they have THE evidence.  What they have is only the part used for the present detention of their client.

Mos oozes intelligence to me.  I think this is what they needed in this investigation, somebody smarter than the punks all put together and I include Paulus in that.

MO

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Now Phase II and this is pure speculation on my part.

Mos has the Kalpoe brothers whispering late at night about what happened.  He needs Joran also.  Wire somebody to infiltrate and get Joran saying the same thing.  Then they have them. 

MO

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Mos pretty restrained. What does he have that Jannsen didn't?
The will. The ability. The organization at least.

Karin had enough conflicting interrogation product to show multiple lies, but liars get a free pass in that system. So we were told. It has worked for them, too.

Mos has some hard evidence to go with all the words?

So why do they need to be interrogated at all?

Been watching this closely over the past few months but actually not logging in... :cool:

But I have been thinking about the "new evidence" ...

One thing that has crossed my mind is biological...

For example, how could you determine if blood evidence might indicate the probability of death, especially if there was only small or minute samples available.

Of course dna matchups and the probable saturation of certain drugs might indicate that life is not possible at certain blood levels, right?

But what if a blood sample contained "other" tissue samples?

What if one of the blood samples had, say, brain tissue in it.  I would think that the presence of such tissue, when tied to dna might lead one to believe "something bad happened" and the probability of life would be considered remote.

just some thoughts since this discussion appears centered around speculation of what some of that "old" evidence turned new might be.

Science can be a miracle marvel, right?

Hat,
I think that is their form of "due process."  They must be given the chance to answer the accusations before they can be formally charged and taken to court.

My understanding only.
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It can, Silverfox.

And I think that is a very astute thought.  Yes, tissue of certain organs would be proof of death, brain being one of them and maybe liver another?  In fact many tissues would be indication of death since no hospitalization was recorded following such an injury.

MO but I concur with you on that.  Been watching too many CSI programs maybe, lol!

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The use of the "Infiltration technique" has me thinking:


Doesn't that sound like someone was wearing a wire and asking questions of Joran?

yeah, and remember those additional searches earlier this year at both the Kalpoe and Sloot homes?  It may be possible that some hard forensic evidence containing such tissue "might" have beed discovered.  Remember, small traces of blood and certain tissues would tend to "dry" rather quickly but given certain locations, such as discovery on items "indoors" might have preserved enough integrity of the tissue sample to render it having been "mummified" or well preserved.  If you were to find, say, even a minute sample of brain tissue that has been "preserved" by being "dried" then you might have enough for those lab experts to identify the dna as well as the part of the body impacted. Think, clothing that was unwashed, a corner of a room, a shoe? a murder weapon not thoroughly cleaned...etc. 

just a hmmmmm to fuel the speculation...right?

It does.

absolutely

clearly in my opinion this is what is wrong with there sytems
they have hours and hours of taped interrogation and they put all those
hours into a handful of pages and they wonder why this case has not advanced
I think they need to get off there asses and transcribes all tapes word for word
maybe we all wouldnt be here discussing this 2.5 years later this is just ridiculous

It does.

Add to that mention of something taken from the home of Satish which could be forensics or could be tap of Deepak and Satish talking it over late at night when all alone.

I believe they have that plus someone got Joran on a wire. 

The way he has been drinking in Netherlands and given his big mouth, it is certainly possible they have the two brothers discussing it and Joran telling someone his version separately.

That would wrap it up in my mind.

It will never take Mos until Dec 31 to bring charges.  That doesn't concern me anyway.  It is his own deadline and he can extend it for it is not required by law, only what he told the Kalpoes attorney when they mistakenly thought no further investigation was ongoing.  Little did they know.

It was a sort of a ruse on his part because he did NOT tell them the investigation was very active as that might have kept them from talking.  They had the Kalpoes early and it took longer to get Joran on wire but I think they have it on all parties.

MO

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But I also keep wondering if this rumor about 'wiretaps' is more damage control.  You know, the Darkside likes to try to play the political wild card to say public opinion.  Recent weeks has seen a lot of controversy in the US concerning wiretapping for national security, including presidential debates and court challenges... Ever since this rumor started I have wondered if this story is partially a plant to attempt to (wrongly) make Americans more sympathetic to the J2K cause if, indeed, wiretaps are being used as part of the new evidence.  Personally I believe the Mos team has a lot more evidence than that but some collaborating physical evidence and witness statements to back up the info contained within the taps. 

ROTFLMAO!!!

The guy on Redeye just said "How could somebody named Van der Sloot NOT be guilty of something!"

That's funny considering his own name is something like Guttfield!  But he does have a funny point.

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Villain name.

Mos better have something besides words.
That stuff with the cell phone calls. I guess Mos can prove the 3 were not where they claimed at different times that night.

Maybe has recorded conversation between Kalpoes. I would say he's looking to turn the K2 against Joran, but I think if they are not as guilty as he is, they would have turned a long time ago.

Can't believe Dr Baden was just on Redeye talking about the Natalee Holloway case.  Must be a conspiracy to keep me awake all night for of course I had to hear that!

He said a body especially wrapped could still contain evidence especially if in a body bag.  Doubts Natalee can be found if in the ocean.  Has seen bodies older than two years still with evidence.

And gave example of gunshot residue being found in a man's ear wax as an example of the original thinking of forensic scientists.  I thought that was very clever since the man had taken a shower to remove the residue from the rest of his body.  The ear wax caught him.

The point is that there are always ways to catch people when there is forensics.

Hat, I first thought it had to be more than just words but think about both parties saying they are guilty separately.  It would be hard to refute that if they had both Joran and the Kalpoes, separately saying that they are responsible.

Also Mos made if crystal clear that this is voluntary manslaughter and not involuntary and Joe T is spinning.  Forgot to say that earlier.  But why would Joe T even be saying involuntary if he is not worried about the Sporter?

Tip:  Never drink coffee to watch the late Greta!  Note to self about that.

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I have been reading back and I don't understand why people are worried about the Dec 31 deadline.  Mos said he has enough to bring this to trial right now.  Unless the suspects have some pretty good explanations for whatever they have, it's pretty well a done deal that it will be going to trial.

MO  and finally off to sleep.  I hope.

G'night any nightowls still reading. 

Ummmm....eeewwwww  :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Hi  :) I've been following y'all from the beginning, but this is just wrong.  Somebody needs to address this delusional (add your favorite adjective here), murder-harboring, breeder of psychopaths for what she truly is.

He has a lot more than your Valkyrie did:  the cooperation of the Police Force, the non intervention of the Minister of Justice, the support of the Dutch legal authorities, the non participation of AHATA and hired communicators in strategic investigation processes, and time to review the available information without the pressure from internal official sources.  

Islander, I am very sorry you felt ignored.  We all feel that way from time to time, especially when the server is unable to handle the traffic and we cannot get in.  That has happened to me twice in the past week. 

Frank, I agree with you, this Hans Mos is not in this to lose and he is not in it to have 3 pimps as trophies.  He is in this for keeps.  He wants to get the root of the drug trade, the gambling, the drugs.  Bigger fish to fry but these 3 little bream are the catalyst for padding his resume.  I want to see Joe's expression when this is all over.

I noticed the little bait that Hans was throwing out, and I am sure they were not only for our consumption, "just a hair," "beaten with," "Paulus, one way or the other," "videos."  He knows a lot and he is handing out just enough to keep it interesting, teasing the whale with just a little earthworm.

No doubt, bugged Kalpoes residence.  Someone was wired, someone might have slept with him or someone might have wanted more money, someone who can commandeer a boat, spin a platter, someone with "this man's for hire" sign on his back, hoping against hope to cut a deal before awakening with his hand in his pocket and a noose around his neck.

Does anyone know who the most recent Aruban suicide was, the one who took poison as have some security guards in the past?

Lots of good thinking going on in the cage. Has this place ever been so busy ?? Love it ! !
Funny comments.
Cyber cigars !!
I find the " pings " interesting. That 8 1/2 minute phone call. I realy hope with all my being that the " pings " give a location as to where exactly they were.  In a really old interview, all Kock would say was that the call was north of the Marriott.
It's the middle of the night here, I fell asleep at baby bed time, yikes, now I am wide awake and looking for a party at 3 am !   

"geeeesh, i know im not the best looking guy out there BUT....."  :shock:

Robots is selling himself short, again.  A sense of humor and a positive attitude are the best qualities in a person.  J2K are going down. 

ROB : Hilarious video. I could not comment as I cleaned my cookies or something
and YouTube is not remebering me from  this addy.
I like the look of Mos also. Previous LE didn't seem to have the will to go forward, this guy does. My opinion is that that is the major difference. Plus, maybe he isn't a relative of the perps / players. He is a recent import and maybe he is free of the
baggage of being connected in some manner to most of the island. Last name isn't Croes ! or a Van Der S^&T.

Because the investigation started over with a new team - square one - and these guys have never had a shot at J2K. Why not take it if it is there? Also, without a doubt, Jacobs and Co proved most inept at recognizing and following up on inconsistencies.

If the new team has as many questions as i do, then not even 118 days would suffice.

Or they could be using this opportunity to conduct a group training class on interrogating sociopathic a-holes.

Sloot 101

One of our theories about an infiltrator was a female and Joran.  Why not a female with Satish or Deepak? They have no or few friends these days, and would welcome conversation with a female.  Imagine if they are estranged from Joran, and this female tells them . . .that it isn't fair that Joran is in the Netherlands continuing his education, writing a book etc. while they are stuck back in Aruba hardly getting on with their life.  Everyone knows Joran did this crime to Natalee etc. etc. . . . I could easily see one of the Kalpoes falling for something like this and spilling their guts even with half truths.  That would be enough to bring them in possibly.

I'm trying to be optimistic and hope that this time the investigation goes somewhere.  This Hans guy seems sincere and we don't seem to be getting the double talk from the past.

I also wonder if this time they have a more of a lead of where the body may have been dumped.  Maybe the phone records show where they where on the beach or out in the water.  Maybe this was part of the evidence that didn't get transcripted "acurately" or was deleted becasue the ALE deemed it irrelevant to the case ( yeah right!).

It is so nice to see these threads moving along these days!!!!!!!

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/11/27/ (http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/11/27/)

No less than 4 articles.

First one: JVDS detained, next date 12/07. 2K next date, 11/29.


Online Pap translation:

sospechosonan in caso holloway,
deteni for more time

oranjestad(aan): monday ministerio publico owing to send one comunicado for prensa, in cual is tell cu the sospechoso joran van der sloot among another deteni on suspicion of is envolvi in homicidio of or maltrato (pisa) cu dead because; consecuencia, contra natalee holloway, owing to present monday afternoon fast of huez comisario.

past owing to wordo listen relaciona cu the contenido of the orden of his “bewaring”, give anteriormente y also relaciona cu the peticion for prolonga the orden of “bewaring”.

huez comisario owing to listen joran in presencia of his advocate y owing to prolonga the orden of bewaring, cu 8 day more.

the advocate of the sospechoso not was of acuerdo cu the detencion of his cliente at the netherlands, the orden of bewaring y the peticion for prolonga the orden of bewaring.

past owing to ask for let his cliente pound at once, but huez comisario owing to rechaza esey.o.m is see the decision here because; one confirmacion of his ponencia cu sufficient material of proof new owing to wordo present, for ordena prolongacion of the bewaring.

the investigacion will continua the next dianan.mas tarda day 29 of november proximo, ministerio publico will dicidi if owing to base of the investigacion the “inbewaringstelling” of the rumannan kalpoe will wordo ask.

in the caso contra joran van der sloot, more tarda day 7 of december proximo, will have to take one decision if will ask gevangenhouding(continuacion of detencion).

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Apparently Kock talking about tapping into cell phone conversations.


Online Pap translation:

according david kock, indicacion strong cu
aparatonan for listen conversacion, owing to wordo
poni in cas of the sospechosonan

oranjestad(aan): advocate david kock, encarga cu defence of satish kalpoe during one conferencia of prensa owing to trece fast cu owing to come resulta cu conversacionnan in cas of the sospechosonan owing to wordo listen.

could you listen the conversacionnan here if do you have aparatura poni in the cas.kock owing to tell cu the know cu do not the hendenan of the cas owing to place the aparatonan of graba.

the know if cu in pasado the personanan owing to wordo saca for of they cas cu the pretexto cu autoridadnan have to owing to make testnan of celular in the cas.

owing to resulta cu after of the supuesto testnan here, conversacionnan owing to wordo listen for of the cas.e advocate owing to follow tell cu do not so cu because the caso have to wordo soluciona, do you mag of cuminza make cosnan cu not mag of wordo make.

in opinion of office of wix kock y zeppenfeld, ministerio publico is bayendo mucho far cu this, buscando declaracionnan contradictorio, for so they follow cue caso.nunca the rumannan kalpoe owing to huy y always they owing to bay keep of police, hour cu they owing to wordo ask.

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Attorney Ronnie Wix questions the number of days detention; apparently it will add up to 15 days instead of 10 permitted -- a set of numbers unfamiliar to me. I do recall that the "threshold" (my term) of evidence must ratchet up for each separate continuation of detention.


Online Pap translation:

according ronnie wix,
the base legal of detencion of the sospechosonan
in caso holloway,
is much cuestionable

oranjestad(aan): during conferencia of prensa of office kock y wix, relaciona cu caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway, advocate ronnie wix owing to trece fast cu the base legal of detencion of the 3 sospechosonan of the caso holloway, is much cuestionable.

this because the sospechosonan owing to wordo close end in pasado, in thing is wordo calling “detencion preventivo”(inverzekeringstelling).ley is tell cu the cantidad maximo of day cu one person can stay deteni in detencion preventivo is 10 day y anteriormente they owing to stay deteni 10 day end.

now they're wordo deteni owing to base of same base legal, of cual the cantidad maximo of day cu they mag of stay deteni, owing to happen end.si do you look at good then, they're close now 15 day, while cu 10 only is permiti.

do you not can bay in “invezekeringstelling”, bay for “bewaring” y now in same caso bay bek at “inverzekeringstelling”.pesey is bringando this y diabierna owing to trece the sharp here for fast, but the huez not was have oido for this.

{Anyone know what “invezekeringstelling” and “bewaring” are - and how they compare?}

ministerio publico owing to bay so far also of stroba the abogadonan make one good defence, door of exigi for her office of advocate representa only one of the rumannan kalpoe. this siendo cu the office during 2 year y mey always owing to prepara his self good y have conocimento of all aspecto of the caso.

according wix, past owing to ask about fiscal parent hans mos, dicon they wanted separa the defence for of another, after cu in 2 year y mey not was have problem.

mos not can owing to contesta this y according wix the unique motibo cu the can think then is cu they wanted make this, because defence of the office of kock y wix, was much exitoso cu defence of the sospechosonan.

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Kock's Presser. Mostly about how he's only representing Satish right now, but suing (?) to represent both brothers.


Online Pap translation:

in caso holloway:
according david kock, is because;
if fuera ministerio publico
owing to immidiately sacudi the file y tell now cu the
is new

oranjestad(aan): monday office of abogadonan david kock y ronnie wix owing to give one conferencia of prensa, relaciona cu the caso of natalee holloway.david kock that was representa deepak y satish kalpoe y now is representa only satish kalpoe, owing to splica cu his office owing to calling the conferencia of prensa, for give they near of medaya.

according mr. kock, past owing to ripara cu ministerio publico the trip here have one sistema of work, contrario at trip happen.casi daily do you looking at they in prensa incluyendo prensa internacional, dunando splicacion amplio, teniendo they constantemente at height of all desaroyo in the caso here.

this is nifica cu is one near only is wordo ilustra.esaki according kock, that owing to follow tell cu pesey is important for contra-aresta the tendencia new here of or.m.

kock owing to splica cu the decision of ministerio publico of not permiti office of kock y wix representa tanto satish y deepak, is cu they will can coordina informacion among the two rumannan.segun advocate kock, this is infunda, cu after of 2 year y mey, the office not can representa all two sospechoso.

kock owing to follow tell cu this do not at his lugar, but the have to respeta the decision ey.el owing to tell also cu the is wait for cu after of 8 day of detencion, the medida here will wordo less, because formalmente still the is representa the rumannan.

advocate kock owing to tell also cu some time happen his office owing to cuminza one caso, for as cita his clientenan for one caso come fast, or declara cu they do not sospechoso more.kock owing to splica cu past owing to cuminza the caso, for her less the spada cu is colga on cabez of his clientenan.

at dado instant have to come one end at the caso, same cu the casonan rond of world cu is wordo close, hour not can soluciona this.ta odd cu diripiente now owing to come one buelta new, where cu supuestamente have cosnan new in the caso here cu owing to wordo present, for hustifica one detencion.

this according kock, that owing to show cu is 12 pagina only have of supuesto evidencia new, after cu tanto time y coin owing to wordo inverti in the investigacion.

the documentonan here is representa practicamente relatonan of interogacionnan cu did take lugar end. the team of investigador new owing to happen over of peliculanan cu they owing to graba, hour cu the sospechosonan owing to wordo interoga y owing to achieve important for bay write one pair of cos extra.

if do you look at the good, investigadornan owing to abort in this, because cu the time ey they not owing to achieve important or necesario for write cierto pasahe of the declaracionnan in the rapport, then now they wanted considera this because; new.

this according kock, that owing to follow tell cu fuera of the mature cu the supuesto informacion new do not implica nothing negative for his cliente, is immidiately because; if fuera they owing to sacudi the file of new, tire again on table y tell cu now the is new.

new do not cu are you califica this because; such, but the have to is new of berdad, for could you bay so far of less freedom of person y not immidiately because you owing to dicidi cu the is new.esaki is inaceptable according we sistema legal according kock, that owing to follow tell cu pesey his office is tumando all pace hour this is possible.

problem is cu in comienzo of investigacion in one caso, ley is give ministerio publico much instrumento y posibilidad of make much cos.bo have cu respeta y live cu the leynan here, but is important for give the splicacion, because is wordo make because; if fuera cu they owing to achieve the “prueba reina”, for show cu the sospechosonan is culpable.

this according advocate kock, that owing to tell cu his clientenan is stay stop on they inocencia. the accion here of part of ministerio publico is one accion of desesperacion, cu is totalmente for of sla y not at his lugar.

ministerio publico is bayendo mucho far cu the caso here, because do not cueste thing cueste a have to colga.

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I have a feeling that doing anything with the cell phone records from that night was beyond the scope of ALE's ability.

Thanks Rob, Carpe and ******* for the vids. Also to those bringing over the interviews as they are happening.

I was a little concerned watching the interviews with the pros. last night, until he mentioned the axe and for the van der Sloots it is time to tell. Though every now and then when I watch Fox I get a feeling the Kalpoes are being setup.

After watching Taco on Hannity I believe it's an act. Waving his arms around and blubbering...can't stand the guy, but he is too good a lawyer to lose his cool that easily. 

Fox finally mentioned that the Kalpoes petitioned the court to have charges dismissed and the Pros. then advised the judge of the 12/31 deadline.

Had to chuckle about David Kock saying the newest evidence they have is from 5 months ago. If I was him I would be really worried about evidence that new. That shows they were still watching his client 2 years after the crime.

Keep remembering also that Paulus was denied compensation back in Feb. because of tapped/taped info. And someone must be pretty stupid to have got caught like this after Paulus was told this in court. Sorry Igsigs...don't know who it was that admonished Paulus in court, but did just recently see the front page post on it. Will check if I have time.

Calico...that part about them not talking anymore bothers me also. I think I am leaning more to someone in the Netherlands wearing a wire.

Memphis, San and Lala's...the Master Plan....I sure hope not,but a possibility.

Like Rob, I read all the posts and sometimes it takes forever, sometimes posts are already answered, sometimes I just don't know the answer and then sometimes I just forget after reading 35 pages! But I do read them all.

I just wanted to respond to Sidalee.  Honey, get a short course on DNA.  No, Beth's father's bones whether he was alive or dead would not be a DNA match for Natalee.  Don't embarrass yourself with hypothetical's such as that with no basis in fact.  It has become apparent that rotten apples do not fall far from a diseased tree.

Ms Marple...I agree and maybe this is where the new technology comes in also. Thanks for the articles.

JA It is quite possible...I have read that it is possible that the Internet Cafe computers were monitored. Also we have Deepak's email friend, sorry do not recall her name. Also recall pics of Satish and Freddy together after Joran left for the Netherlands and posters commenting on it.

Also wanted to add that I have read Tony's posts both here and on the front page and always thought him credible.

I have a feeling the ALE couldn't find their butt with both hands and GPS.

Good morning.  Chemo #6 today.  Figures, I'm caught up here so I can be gone half the day and be hopelessly behind again!

I don't think the phone taps have to be Joran talking to the brothers. Could be Joran or either of the brothers talking to anybody.  Or anybody in either house talking to anybody.  When you tap the phones, you get it all.  Inbound and outbound.  Everybody.  Every word, every message. 

Come on, Hans, show us what you're made of.  Do what KJ lacked the balls to do.

I agree, but I am not sure they wanted to, Peaches.

Good luck with #6 today!

igsigs

It was Nico Jorg (the Attorney General) that represented Aruba in Paulus's appeal of award.  He called him out in front of the other lawyers.

Big thanks to Rob and Carpe for snagging all those videos.  I got to see Joe T flapping his arms on Hannity.  What a riot. 

I still waiting for him to bust a blood vessel in his head trying to bail out the sporter.

Joe doesn't seem to grasp that his boy may have been on the phone with somebody other than the brothers and said too much. 

Good Morning Monkeys.  Keep the faith!  Lots of good stuff from the interview with Hans Mos last night. 

One thing I heard in the interview is that Karin Janssen did NOT brief Hans on the case.  INCREDIBLE!  The biggest news item in Aruba's recent history - and the outgoing prosecutor doesn't brief the incoming prosecutor???  Unreal.  She's as crooked as they come.

Ok, I watched Mos on Greta last night and I sort of got the feeling that he doesnt reallyhave anything "new".  I got the feeling that found some of the stuff the ALE conveniently edited out of the perps PV's and is now trying to use that to make them talk.  I dont think he has any physical evidence, just their own words to use against them. I got the feeling that all the creeps have to do is keep their mouth shut until Dec 31st and they are off the hook.  Unless I misunderstood him, I think Mos made that pretty clear.

I was half asleep and may be way off base, but dont think so.

I got the same feeling too watching last night....then he said that Joran and Paulus had better tell what they know and recall him saying the 3 better not stay quiet....gotta say I'm back and forth and all over the board on this...where's Robots

Thanks Buckeye for the info

It seems to me the "new evidence" doesn't necessarily have to be recent, It only had to be incriminating and acquired after the suspects were released from the 2005 arrests. The Judge basically said, don't bring me the same prearrest data. Anything the police collected in 2006 and 2007 could fit in the "new" category if it strongly implicated J2K. Having said that, I do think a portion of the new evidence was acquired recently, and might have been obtained with "bugs" placed in the suspects homes when the homes were inspected this summer. The references to "infiltration" also suggest someone could have gone undercover.

 :lol: :lol: :smt082 :smt081 :smt046

At least she wore a bra ...  :P

OMG......I spit my coffee when the flashing nipples came on. I wasn't expecting that, LMAO!!

Dugga, since you're here, can you fix the spelling of the word against on the Front Page? 

TIA

Off to chemo.

I hope MammaSloot watches Rob's Video so she can see her delicious sporter in action. There is no way this woman didn't know what her little freak was up to all those years.

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Good Morning Monks!  Peaches you are probably already gone...but good wishes and payers are going with you today.

test post, I forgot how

Posted by PearlinUSA @ BFN:


Refugees MF and Glenda mentioned in article and Aruban Police Site referenced .....

If we must t nevertheless concerning Natalee Holloway, I gladly choose the angle of an American visitor who reacts regularly.

 For example on the response of ' tj ' that writes: According to this well informed site the mother of the little girl Holloway behind this complete operation sits. This means that it Public Prosecution Service only has old information and false rumours. The judge will accept this never as proofs to condemn the three boys (of). Unless... He/they refers to this site. (links to refugees, see below)

Our American friend writes that this site is a well known Holloway family hate site. Julie Renfro mail under the nic "Glenda". Another Aruban receiver mail under "MF". All the bizarre stories that Gielen "reported" were discussed ate that site BEFORE the "news" broke.

 ' Tj ' could well be one or the disinformants. The poor family. There are a destiny or (purposely?) crazy receivers.... Just so mouthful paunch they are female. In other words: the bizarre tales of the calling journalists come outside themselves by means of that Internet site to and are then picked up in the regular media.

He sees still something remarkable on: the Internet site of the arubaanse police force refers ' news ' explicitly under the category to of the tales of Renée Gielen. "why that arubaanse does police force that?" our American friend wonders himself. I also.
 He observes that it Public Prosecution Service and the local police force do not sit obviously stipulated on one line. Home and look also bewildered here.

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/

note links to:  http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/forum-8.html

and article now on police site here:  http://kparuba.com/news.html

where they had put a pdf file here:  http://kparuba.com/documents/news/zaakholloway.pdf

A WOMAN INFILTRATING JORAN WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT IDEA, IF EMPLOYED BY THE KLPD. JORAN IS OF THE AGE WHERE HORMONES ARE RAGING AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT WAY TO APPROACH IT.

WITH RESPECT TO THE KALPOES, I THINK THEY ARE ON HIGH ALERT WITH JORAN, CONSIDERING HIS FAMILY AND ITS POLITICAL CLOUT (SO TO SPEAK). BUGGING THEIR HOUSE WOULD PROBABLY RESULT IN A LOT OF PLOTTING AND SCHEMING AGAINST JORAN IN THE EVENT THAT "SHIT HITS THE FAN" TWO AGAINST ONE.

SPECIFIC LOCATIONS FROM COMMUNICATIONS OF THAT EVENING WOULD PROBABLY ALSO RESULT IN A GOOD AREA TO SEARCH FOR NATALEE'S BODY. I STILL SOMEWHAT BELIEVE THAT DESTROYING THE BODY (CREMATION, INCINERATION, ETC) WOULD HAVE BEEN THE DISPOSAL METHOD OF PREFERENCE DUE TO ITS INABILITY TO ULTIMATELY BE RECOVERED. THE HOLLOWAY FAMILY NEEDS TO CROSS FINGERS IN HOPES THAT THE PERPETRATORS WERE NOT THAT INTELLIGENT AND USED WATER AS DISPOSAL, THEREFORE RECOVERY IS AT LEAST POSSIBLE.

EVIDENCE QUESTION... WHICH SCENARIO IS MOST LIKELY FOR FILE(S) FROM THIS CASE? (1) TRUE EVIDENCE IN FILE(S), BUT OVERLOOKED/IGNORED BY OLD REGIME OF INVESTIGATORS. CAKEWALK FOR NEW REGIME OF INVESTIGATORS OR (2) TRUE EVIDENCE NOT IN FILES. JUST PAPER FILLER AND UNIMPORTANT EVIDENCE. I DO NOT KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT ONE. THOUGHTS..........

Just reported on Foxnews that Greta will be on live from Aruba at 10:00 AM EST. May be nothing new but think I'll watch and see.

Yes...we see where their priorities lie. I see NO mention of the re-arrests on the Polite website, something that IS REAL NEWS. Buttwipers.

M Dabby

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"Sloot 101"  -  Love it!!

Blah, I agree.  I got the same impression from Mos.

I agree, too.  I don't think they wanted to either.

HI BUCKSHOT...We saw so much we thought was evidence not even collected, the belt, the fishnet and reports of bones on shelves, that I wonder if there is anything much in all those files. We know that Beth's statement was altered so what else was. I thought I had read that all interviews were to be videotaped, does anyone else recall that? If so, then the Dutch would have to wonder how ALE came up with their statement summaries. I am hoping on new evidence going back on the old case files, and from the searches and inspections this summer,(cell, text and computer records and forensics).

Thanks GEL!  hahahahaha.....I love that this points out that it's a family HATE site and that renHO posts under the name of glenda!!

Don't shoot the messenger but, if they got something, why don't they charge someone? Real simple. We've seen the 'lock 'em up and frighten 'em' movie before.

I think that if the suspects, when presented with NEW evidence, refuse to respond to that new evidence, then their silence can be held against them by the judge in a trial.  If they are silent then the judge can assume that the new evidence is undisputed.  Just guessing.  Maybe Mos hopes they are dumb enough not to respond so that the new evidence goes unchallenged.   

I would feel much better about recent events if we knew our FBI had been included or kept informed by the KPLD and Mos, but I really don't think they have been. If Holland's efforts were sincere then I would think they would be inclusive with the FBI at this stage, all hands on deck as they say.

buckeye - great points you made and the right questions too

The best moment of the night for me was the exchange between Dr Baden and taco last night, I wasn't able to watch it until the replay but I laughed so hard when Baden called the K2 the Tacopina brothers ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!

Baden is one of the few honest men left in this game of the cable news shows. I won't hold my breath on Greta's report at 10am, I think she's likely just playing the Aruba angle for all the airtime she can get.

GEL...thanks...I am moving slowly this morning...gotta go turn the TV on

SOAP! SOAP! SOAP!  LOL.....I got a different impression.....mine was if they don't answer the questions they will be prosecuted on the information they have....I am an optimist!! :shock:

great answer canary and i think that's what i understood as well...i jsut couldn't say it as well as you did (not a morning person here :shock:)

Good point...I am hoping that Dave and TES have a specific location or some real information for their upcoming search. Maybe this is why they haven't been charged yet.

morning None!!  I didn't see that.....hopefully there will be a video of it

I think I heard Dave say that where they would be looking was 'suggested' by aruban LE....and I think specifically dumbpig...I hope I am wrong about this...i wouldn't trust anything dumbpig said

I agree. 

Mos told Greta that he had enough evidence to charge the three with voluntary manslaughter.

I took it to mean that if they talked, came forward with a statement that they are not guilty and Mos checks it out and finds that they're telling the truth....then they won't be charged.

However, at THIS point...he has enough to charge them.

2K not answering questions and not coming forth with information to their benefit only ensures that they will be charged with voluntary manslaughter.

OMG....you have got to be kidding me????? :shock: i cannot believe even those awful people could dream up such a conspiracy....un..f@#%$$# believable!!!! :roll:

yep

hello spock

nice to see you  :cool:

Sunny...I have seen it posted that Dave mentions a place they could only search to 330-350 feet previously. I have taken that as now they have the equipment they need they can go deeper. And if this is the case no-one else would have been able to go that deep either and someone may be sweating. This is a big undertaking and really do not think they are off on a whim or rumor this time. Hope I'm right.

LOL...good morning Cuz.....they are totally nuts!!!

morning sunny!!! i was just so shocked....that they actually think someone would go dig up beth's fathers grave and plant his bones at the bottom of the ocean!!! that is beyond nuts! :2doh:
btw....you need to try to find that video of tacopenis on hannity...like none said...priceless!!!! :cool:
i do not understand why he is so involved in this part of the case....he was jorans civil tiral lawyer....what a man whore! :roll:

that video is gold
good work ROB


<------heading out to do some work

mmmmmmmm... more firewood calling my name  :cool:

I agree Nonesuche.  The only time the family has heard any news is when the FBI informed them of something and I don't think it is because they are working closely with the Dutch.  It is because the Dutch decided to throw them a bone to make it look like they are working together.  If they were working together this case would be closed by now and none of this December 31st bullshit from Hans Mos.

Hans Mos said last night he did not speak to KJ about the case.  He said he spoke to her on the phone and she informed him about the case in Aruba that was still going on.  An idiot could have figured out that one.  The whole friggin world knows about this case.  As a professional I would have called KJ and asked her to tell me about the case so I can be up to speed.  It is always good to get your fellow prosecutors opinion on things but he did not do that and the one reason is because he knows it was a coverup.

Hans Mos is following form but only in a different way.  JMO

i need to see a plastic surgeon, my jaw just hit the floor

that was funny  :lol:

YW, Sunny

LOL...I wonder how Julia/Glenda feels about being outed on the ALE blog??
I  also wonder who this Tj person is, any thoughts?

I believe these are the links Sunny:

Hannity & Colmes (Fox News) - Dr. Baden & Joe Tacopino

You Tube Videos: 

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmqFgoNspdk

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex1BvQrOBug

  I understand that as well..and i don't think it's a whim/rumor...sorry if it came off that way....i just don't trust anything dumbpig said....and of course i have no idea if the information came from him or not...

They are really sick people......and sadly believe their sick fantasies!!  I will try to find the video....i just HATE to look at tacoboy...ugh.....  ROTFLMAO! re: man whore...you go girl!!!

Or will. I am wondering why we are just hearing about the " pings" now.

be careful robots......remember you are 89 years old! :lol:

Maybe Mos wanted his "hand-picked" Dutch team to form their own opinion and not be influenced by KJ.  Let's face it...KJ did NOT get the job done....Mos knows that. 

Where's Anna?  Anna, did you get a thoughtprint in watching the Mos/Greta interview? It seemed to me that a look of disgust ran over Mos's face when Greta asked him if KJ had briefed him on the case.  He said "no" so quickly, it was almost as if he was really saying:  I don't want to hear anything out of KJ.  ha

Gotcha...I don't trust Dompig either, but we'll know about the search soon enough. IIRC they leave tomorrow.

hahahaha...there goes my coffee already this morning...spewing all over me.....

I realize some on here don't want to get their hopes up but I would say, have faith.

The 3 are toast already. I believe the prosecution does not expect them to speak at all.

Joran is not going back to Holland. Wait until David Littlecock gets a hold of the evidence. He may no longer want to represent Deepak.

I mean the lack of compensation was made up by him seemingly being successful, now he's a lose on 2 counts.

I'm getting greedy pining for that dirtbag woman who works for Tacopina is forced to apologize for claiming on the Catherine Crier show that Beth is in this for the money.

Joey will be gone by Christmas.

Mos will hang a stuffed Paulus on his wall.

I don't go over there to read :smt097.....would have to take a shower after each trip....I don't know who  Tj is...but I'll but someone here knows....

thanks San...outting my soap away for now :smt052

At some point in the last interrogations of them they stopped answering questions. Satish took the 5th and Joran even put his fingers in his ears.

IIRC the expedition was to leave out of New iberia, Louisiana this morning.  There is a post at freerepublic.com from around 3:30 this morning that said local news out of Houston reported they left last night.

To: All; y'all
Just wanted to let y’all know that our local news in Houston said last evening that the boat Dave Holloway raised the money for and hired just left Louisiana for Aruba and that Tim and the TX EquuSearch folks are on their way.

3,237 posted on 11/27/2007 3:32:24 AM CST by Rte66

I missed that.  Who outed Julia/Glenda and which blog was it on?  RU?

Sunny was talking about the "Tj" mentioned in the article I brought over that PearlinUSA posted I read over there but have no idea who they are talking about.

[snipped]

' Tj ' could well be one or the disinformants. The poor family. There are a destiny or (purposely?) crazy receivers.... Just so mouthful paunch they are female. In other words: the bizarre tales of the calling journalists come outside themselves by means of that Internet site to and are then picked up in the regular media.

Thanks Truthseeker...do you recall if they said 8 or 9 days to get there and 2 weeks to search? TIA

San,

You're right. If they do not answer, the prosecution's "evidence" will be taken as fact.

Joran will not see the light of day again.

The only question left is how and when they go after the previously arrested Premeditated Paulus

http://amigoe.com/english/

Van der Sloot before the examining magistrate

Joran van der Sloot leaves the airport building of Hato via a side staircase, after a stopover from the Netherlands to Aruba, where he was interrogated during the weekend and was taken before the examining magistrate today.  The reason for the stopover in Curacao was to sidetrack the media in Aruba, which included almost all the American broadcasting stations and several from the Netherlands.

ORANJESTAD -- Joran van der Sloot (20) was interrogated this past weekend by Dutch and Aruban detectives under the direction of the Aruban chief of police Adolpho ‘Dolphi’ Richardson and one from Rotterdam.   

The examining magistrate heard Van der Sloot, who is suspected of manslaughter or serious body harm that resulted in the death of the American Natalee Holloway, this afternoon about extending the custody with eight days.  “We will definitely continue interrogating him in the next days”, said district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “Keeping him in custody is to get further down into the investigation.  This afternoon after 15:00, we will publish a press release about bringing Van der Sloot before the examining magistrate.”  This was after this paper went to press.   

Van der Sloot’s lawyers’ firm expects the custody to be automatically extended.  Bringing him before the law seems more like a formality, because in the procedure to get him in Aruba, the examining magistrate must have already examined all the documents; ‘kind of too late in the day”, said a representative of the firm.  The lawyers of the suspected brothers Deepak and Satish as well as that of Joran van der Sloot are still saying that they do not expect much of the ‘new evidence’ of the Public Prosecutor (OM): ‘The old information has been examined with new eyes’; ‘they have the same facts, but they have used a different pair of glasses’; and ‘like a shirt with four buttons instead of three’.   

One thing is for sure, the media interest is increasing in Aruba, but not with the same proportions an a few years ago, right after Holloway disappeared in May of 2005.  So now and then you can see camera teams in front of the office of the OM and the house of Van der Sloot’s family.     

Nobody wants to miss a glimpse when more is announced about the new evidence in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway.  There are meanwhile rumours about the arrival of journalist Greta van Susteren of Fox News.  She was in Aruba just recently promoting the book of Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who will probably come to Aruba this week.   International media is trying to get in contact with Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), but in vain.  They want to know whether the ‘reopening’ of the case has influenced the tourism.   

‘HAVE DRUGGED GIRLS BEFORE’

The suspects in the Holloway-case have supposedly drugged girls before, so they could take advantage of them afterwards, mentions De Telegraaf.   This same morning paper also mentions that ‘justice has given the former investigation leader a hard rap on the fingers’ and he is no longer allowed to say anything about the investigation.  “Police officer Gerard Dompig suggested that infiltrators were put in against Van der Sloot.”

Not just the Netherlands, but the entire world is following this case.  Each possible indication is therefore used to make an issue from.  Former district attorney Helen Lejeuz, who as a lawyer helps Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway, told ABC that the suspects thought that their phones are no longer being tapped.  “It has been a long time and people tend to relax and perhaps talk – say things they have never said before – and prosecutors and policemen have good and well-trained ears.”

CBS News mentions a telephone tap, indicating that one of the brothers have gone back to the beach the night Holloway disappeared.

Morning monkeys!

Enjoyed your video Rob!

I have confidence in Mos.  He is wicked smart and if these folks are really listening to him, they should be very worried.  I think he could go to trial today.....as soon as he drags in Paulus!  Maybe he's just letting him sweat.   :P  Puddles of sweat.

As much as it weakens my stomach, I hope Joe Lackopenis and Rosemarie Arnold just keep talking.  The more they say, the stupider they will look in just a few days.  Joe is completely out of the loop and has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.  His theatrics generally work for him, as most people are intimidated by his routine.  Not Mos.  You can be sure he is watching and laughing.  At this point, he is just letting out the rope.

Bringing this over from pg.8 for those who didn't see it.

Posted by PearlinUSA @ BFN:


Refugees MF and Glenda mentioned in article and Aruban Police Site referenced .....

If we must t nevertheless concerning Natalee Holloway, I gladly choose the angle of an American visitor who reacts regularly.

 For example on the response of ' tj ' that writes: According to this well informed site the mother of the little girl Holloway behind this complete operation sits. This means that it Public Prosecution Service only has old information and false rumours. The judge will accept this never as proofs to condemn the three boys (of). Unless... He/they refers to this site. (links to refugees, see below)

Our American friend writes that this site is a well known Holloway family hate site. Julie Renfro mail under the nic "Glenda". Another Aruban receiver mail under "MF". All the bizarre stories that Gielen "reported" were discussed ate that site BEFORE the "news" broke.

 ' Tj ' could well be one or the disinformants. The poor family. There are a destiny or (purposely?) crazy receivers.... Just so mouthful paunch they are female. In other words: the bizarre tales of the calling journalists come outside themselves by means of that Internet site to and are then picked up in the regular media.

He sees still something remarkable on: the Internet site of the arubaanse police force refers ' news ' explicitly under the category to of the tales of Renée Gielen. "why that arubaanse does police force that?" our American friend wonders himself. I also.
 He observes that it Public Prosecution Service and the local police force do not sit obviously stipulated on one line. Home and look also bewildered here.

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/

note links to:  http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/forum-8.html

and article now on police site here:  http://kparuba.com/news.html

where they had put a pdf file here:  http://kparuba.com/documents/news/zaakholloway.pdf

Check out the '2' comments on the 24ora article.....the 1st  :roll: and the 2nd is a blog that I can't read...

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3071/5/#jc_allComments

The fact that they still have Aruban investigators on this case worried me.  We all know the ALE is crooked.  If one of them is Dennis Jacobs which I will bet they aren't going to admit he is but still is in fact involved then case closed.  They removed Jan Van der Straaten from this investigation when he was no longer in charge and he was still sneaking around on his own.  Send a message to the world and fire Dennis Jacobs for his actions.  They won't but what we will hear is that Fat Dennis Retired.  They told Van der Straaten to retire (He said it's voluntary) and he pops up to be the new police chief on Bonair.

I do remember the 2 week search time, but not sure how long is takes to get there.  The 7-8 days sounds about right.

ROTF...taco boy was really going...I love it when Dr. Baden misspoke and said the tacapino brothers instead of the kaloe brothers.....tacoboy doesn't know crap!!!

Re Water Search:
Local news in Birmingham said the boat(s) belong to Superior Offshore.
Leaving out of New Iberia, LA.  Running time 7 days to Aruba.

Was that a post that had to be translated to English.  I have a hard time following it.  lol, but maybe I'm the one with problem.

tomorrow is what i understand as well.....and it's going to take them a week or so to get to the search area.....

Thanks Klaas :P

  Frank I hope all you say here is absolutely 100% how things will happen

Frank, this is what I want most is Paulus arrested.  That premeditated charge is just too much to ignore.  I believe that was a slip of the tongue by Marianne Croes and this is why she was removed by KJ.  Marianne told the truth and the prosecutor freaked.  The world was not suppose to know that charge against Paulus.

Morning Klaas......

a big difference now is that Mos doesn't telegraph his playbook to warn the suspects the way KJ and Dompig did.

Make no mistake, the guilty are worried, they have no control over the prosecution.

I just heard that they are doing the final checking of the deep water sonar equipment today and will embark for Aruba early tomorrow morning.

Posted by Heli at RU:

Greta Nov 26, 2007 Hans Mos Interview TRANSCRIPT

On The Record
November 26, 2007

Transcribed from DVD recording


Greta:

So, you've been here since May, so you've got the Natalee Holloway case in your lap, so to speak

Mos:

Yes, yes that was part of the heritage of my , of Karin Janssen, yes.

Greta:

Did you talk to Karin Janssen when you took this job, did you two sit down?

Mos:

Yes I did

Greta;

Was this one of the cases she briefed you on?

Mos:

No she did not, I didn't talk to her personally, I talked to her on the phone and she of course told me that this was goingon here.

Greta:

Before you took the job in May, were you aware of the Natalee Holloway case that made a lot, that got a lot of attention in Holland?

Mos:

We saw the same as all the american spectators saw on american television, we saw all the same on Dutch teleivsion, of course, yes.

Greta:

Since you've been here you sort of actually surprised all of us when a press release came out saying that there had been new evidence that led to the arrests. How do you define new evidence?

Mos:

New evidence is evidence that you didn't have before, as simple as that.

Greta:

And does it have to be of a compelling nature or I mean, is it damning evidence, evidence that would make a prosecutor think 'oh my God, now I've got the goods' ?

Mos:

Depends on the case, depends how far you came in the past. You know that the evidencein a murder case could hang up to one hair of the suspect and that is just a very small piece of evidence but it's very important. What we gave to the judge is evidence enough to arrest these guys again 2 years after they have been freed by the Court in Curacao so the judge weighed this evidence and of course, when you arrest a person 2 years later after he's been freed, you have to have some serious stuff and that's exactly what we handed off to the judge.

Greta:

In your press release you said a decision would be made by the end of the year whether to prosecute or not. Why did you set that timetable? is that just your personal timetable or does the law require you in a certain amount of time?

Mos:

That was it exactly, a persoal timetable. The two brothers who are involved in this case asked the Court to end their case. To give my organization who's prosecuting this case the Order to stop this case because there's no new evidence, we didn't do anything anymore is what they said to the Court and this case had to be stopped. They had legal possibility to ask the Court to take that decision.

We convinced the Judge during that hearing that we were on the job and trying to solve this case the best we could. There was a team that came from The Netherlands who did new findings, then we said to ourselves can we prolong this case until, for years. That is not psosible, that is not possible under th european treaty which says that you have to try a case within a reasonable time and that time stands for about 2 years. These 2 years already had passed, so you have to be busy on a case which is important enough to go over that period of 2 years.

And then we said we have to set oursevles a time limit and we have to take a decision in this case, whether we take it to Court or not or dismiss it. We set ourselves this time limit of 31st of December then we will take the decision, ultimately to charge these 3 suspects or dismiss the case

Greta:

Do you have to pick them up to make that decision?

Mos:

That's a good question, yes we thought we did because there was new evidence gained after the moment they were released, which is 2 years ago and there quite a lot of evidence, at least a lot of materiald and there's a lot of evidence, yes it's just material but they have to be confronted with it because they were never confronted with those findings. We progress in this investigation quite a lot and they don't even know what we got in the meantime, so we had to confront them with it. They are suspects each of them and they are witnesses against the other if possible, so we have to question them and what we think is very important at least the Dutch suspect instead of the two Surinames and his father who was one way or the other involved in this case, have said in interviews that they are willing to talk, they are willing to disclose what happened in the past at a time set by them. I think it is very important that this is the time to disclose this information to the public and to us because their point of view is their son or this suspect, this Dutch suspect didn't do anything but he has information and he doesn't give it. We think that's unthinkable. If we have this information we have right now, then he should disclose this information to us. The same counts for the other two suspects who also has said, at least one of them that he will disclose it in due time that he is not involved, well let him disclose it because we are only seeking the truth, what happened? That's what we're aiming for and if this information given by them shows that they are not involved, then they will not be prosecuted but we don't think that that's the case

Greta:

Did you ask them voluntarily to come forward and say 'give us that information' did they refuse and thus you are using the system as you are lawfully able to and pick them up? Did you say 'come in here voluntarily and talk to us?'

Mos:

Their attitude duringcertain investigation moments we had during the last few months is such that we didn't have any idea that they would voluntarily come to our police station and talk to us so we didn't have any confidence in that and we thought given the evidence we have and given the suspicion they're under being involved in the disappearance and in the killing of a girl, that you cannot do this just by asking them to come to the police station and talk to us, we want to interrogate them as they should be and as it has to be done and that's what we are doing right now.

Greta:

In your press release it says 'voluntary manslaughter'. What is voluntary manslaughter?

Mos:

Voluntary manslaughter under aruban law is a situation that you kill a person with intent and the question is if it's premeditated which should be murder, we scratch through the murder suspicion because we don't have any evidence of that there's premeditation on the killing of this girl but if, for example, you take an axe with the intention to hit a person just to make him suffer, to make him have pain but you hit him with that axe on the head with force, then you should take into account that this person could be killed by that action, that's a risk you take and that's what we mean with voluntary manslaughter

Greta:

Meaning that you took an action a reasonable person could assume would cause death

Mos:

Exactly

Greta:

It's not just sort of you back out of a driveway and run over somebody

Mos:

That will be involuntary manslaughter and that's not what we intend for

Greta:

Does your new evidence, there's different types of murder obviously, involuntary and voluntary manslaughter and then there's murder. Does your new evidence suggest manslaughter?

Mos:

Otherwise we wouldn't have put it on the list of suspicions

Greta:

It seems to me that your new evidence would have to fall into a number of categories, one being inconsistencies would be new evidence, if there's inconsistencies between the three and another could be testimonials, someobdy has said something and you could have physical evidence that you could come up with, whether it's forensic evidence from a computer or body or whatever. Can you tell me what category the new evidence is in?

Mos:

No I cannot. I told you in the past that these interrogations and the fact that these suspects are under restrictions and are not allowed to discuss anything what's been said to them and been presented to him with other people than their lawyers, so they can only talk to their lawyers. We don't want them to make up new preconcerted or concerted statements as has been the case in the past. We have these nice concerted statements of these suspects, we don't want anymore, we want their stories based on the evidence we present to them, so that's the reason I'm not going to disclose that to you because they might learn that through their lawyers which we don't want to.

Greta:

I'm confused. You cannot tell me whether it's physical evidence this new evidence or it's testimonial

Mos:

I'm not going to tell you, it's all in the interest of the investigation because you know this investigation has been going on for a long time. People ask me 'is this a desperate, last try at the public prosecutor's office'. We are not desperate and yes it may be a last try at solving this case, which we are determined to do, which we are trying to do as best as we can but give us the time and the peace to do this under this law system as well as we can. These restrictions go with trying to do it as best as we can and I know it's very bad for the public, any public as anyone wants to know what's going on but we cannot disclose it at this time.

Greta:

Well, quite frankly, we don't want to hurt the investigation

Mos:

Well that's exactly what I'm (inaudible)

Greta:

We don't want to hurt it either

Mos:

Well that's great, that's exactly what I'm appealing to

Greta:

Will you be part of the interrogation of the three? Is that the role of the Chief Prosecutor?

Mos:

No I will not, I am coaching in this case and I'm going to use my experience I have in cases like this. There's another case lawyer dealing with this case, she's doing fine, that's great and I'm just helping her out. These are tough decisions we have been taking and we are not doing it on our own, it's not just one person taking that decision. We take it as an organization (inaudible) we knew that there were 45 people and they contribute in one way or another in this case, either in investigating cases, either in making paperwork, either in bringing papers to the Judge or in thinking about the case and this decision to re-arrest these 3 suspects is a decision taken by 10 lawyers sitting around a table all afternoon being presented the new material and we thought about it a lot and of course we thought about all the press attention coming with it. That's a tough decision to take because we know this press attention in the past didn't do Aruba much good and that's exactly the reason we are talking to your right now, because we don't want to do anything covered or not in the open. We want to tell and account for what we are doing and that's what we are trying to do rightnow.

Note from Heli:  This is not the entire interview. I cannot complete it right
now but will later. I'll note 'FULL TRANSCRIPT' in the thread title when
I post the remainder.  

Aruba: Premeditated Paulus in Mos-hairs
If you're Hans Mos, you're not coming to Aruba to hunt 3 chipmunks like Joran and the Kalpoes. You're coming for bigger game.

Paulus van der sloot is bigger game.

Unless Joe Tacopina's story that Joran and the chipmunks cell phones just happen to drift 3-5 miles offshore and we're pinged and forensically proven, the 3 are about to know that knee buckling feeling when your done.

But it's Paulus Hans Mos is after. The court has already said he has lied, has had contact with Natalee on multiple occasions and is, in the court's view, likely responsible for her disappearance. He was arrested for the premeditated murder of Natalee Holloway.

Janssen as we've written was a tart, a person way over her head, a legal nanny. Mos didn't go to Aruba to babysit anything. He came to end the embarrassment that is Aruba and the van der sloots.

Joran and the Kalpoes are just the beginning. Mos is letting everyone up the chain have their poison. Fall on your own sword, or I'll do it for you.

Premeditated Paulus connects the dots to the adults in this vicious crime. But once Mos has bagged his big game, he'll be back to Holland hunting again.

Oduber, Croes and van der straaten will have different masters. Interest will fade, but the satisfaction of everyone who witnessed this crime will be sated.

Especially after we all sign the card sent to Paulus and Joran letting them know, that no matter what, if and when they every see the light of day again, we'll be waiting.

Well put....100% in agreement.  "Wicked smart"

This from Nancy Grace transcript from last night..don't know who is talking or who CNN is getting their info from.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: CNN has learned investigators found discrepancies after re-analyzing the time and location of e-mails, text messages and phone calls among the three suspects the night Natalee Holloway disappeared. The chief prosecutor says by year`s end, he hopes to decide whether to try the three young men for manslaughter. If found guilty, they`d face 15 years in prison.

Here is the latest. Just linking it.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

As related to me.

Hey Buckshot,

You could at least credit where you got that article?

FRANK:

SOURCE OF ARTICLE: http://www.arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

Aruba: Premeditated Paulus in Mos-hairs
If you're Hans Mos, you're not coming to Aruba to hunt 3 chipmunks like Joran and the Kalpoes. You're coming for bigger game.

Paulus van der sloot is bigger game.

Unless Joe Tacopina's story that Joran and the chipmunks cell phones just happen to drift 3-5 miles offshore and we're pinged and forensically proven, the 3 are about to know that knee buckling feeling when your done.

But it's Paulus Hans Mos is after. The court has already said he has lied, has had contact with Natalee on multiple occasions and is, in the court's view, likely responsible for her disappearance. He was arrested for the premeditated murder of Natalee Holloway.

Janssen as we've written was a tart, a person way over her head, a legal nanny. Mos didn't go to Aruba to babysit anything. He came to end the embarrassment that is Aruba and the van der sloots.

Joran and the Kalpoes are just the beginning. Mos is letting everyone up the chain have their poison. Fall on your own sword, or I'll do it for you.

Premeditated Paulus connects the dots to the adults in this vicious crime. But once Mos has bagged his big game, he'll be back to Holland hunting again.

Oduber, Croes and van der straaten will have different masters. Interest will fade, but the satisfaction of everyone who witnessed this crime will be sated.

Especially after we all sign the card sent to Paulus and Joran letting them know, that no matter what, if and when they every see the light of day again, we'll be waiting.
posted by DEETCH at 9:02 PM   

I have to say that I have never seen such a miracle as is evidenced by the endless dedication to the truth that the existence of this site and the participation of you posters represents. Whenever Beth has been too tired to speak or prohibited by the process to talk, this group has always, without fail, stepped up to the plate and pushed this process forward. Only the hand of God could have created the resources and dedication required to have accomplished this. Every member of this site should pat themselves on their back for a job well done. I am impressed, amazed, and in awe, not to mention forever thankful to each and every one of you as it is and has been a pleasure to watch the ferious protection you have provided Beth as it makes me believe in the existence of a God and the humanity of man.

That sincere thanks being expressed, I do have one brief comment I would like to make. I believe that the significant portions of the new evidence could well be old evidence that was never presented to the courts, such as the June 10 break down of Joran, or the tape recording of the boys in the patrol car. I think there may well be other new evidence, but I always felt that they had all of the evidence they needed to convict the boys as of June 10, 2005. Anyway, I do enjoy all of you and keep up the good work.

JUST BROWSING AROUND. HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE: http://reallycreepypeople.blogspot.com/

Thursday, September 27, 2007
NATALEE HOLLOWAY~SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH !


THE POST BELOW WAS LEFT AT ONE OF MY BLOGS THE OTHER DAY. COULD THIS BE THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT FATEFUL NIGHT ? I DO NOT KNOW WHO WROTE IT BUT THEY TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO WRITE IT ALL. IT IS QUITE LONG. READ BELOW. TO YOU NATALEE ~ MAY GOD KEEP YOU SAFE NATALEE. I KNOW YOU ARE WITH HIM NOW. NO ONE CAN EVER HARM YOU AGAIN. YOU ARE LOVED BY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU. ! ~

Anonymous said...
Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk

The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.


I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help

I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT

private eye -
WoW, this is one of the nicest things I ever seen posted.

And Welcome. :D

THE ARTICLE I JUST POSTED SEEMS LIKE B.S. TO ME.

ARTICLES THAT DETAIL THE EVENING INTEREST ME.

So, it was more than something bad happened ... and then we didn't know what to do .. because we are little kids ...
An action was taken which a reasonable person would assume would cause death ..
............
Christmas past : Last St. Nicholas Day  Joran was dancing and smirking out at us
Christmas present : December 6, 2007 ... sleeping on a concrete slab with rats and cockroaches
Christmas future : Chain Gang .. 15 years for Joran and Kalpoes ...  

Welcome to SM Private Eye!  Thank you for all the kind words!

I agree with you 100%, everything Hans Mos needs is in the videos of interrigations on June 10th.  That's where they will find the confession.

Welcome Private Eye...good to have you aboard...thanks you for your heartfelt post....I agree with teh bolded above and it seems the new prosecutor does too since he said if they had this information in 2005 the 3 would never have been released.

Official FOX transcript of Greta's show last night with Kock and Hans Mos:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

Glad I read ahead...I agree with you....pure bull crap...we have seen so much of this type of thing these past 2 1/2 years...people wanting to inject themselves to fulfill their need for  attention....they will say anything for attention

Update on Greta's blog:

November 27th, 2007 10:43 AM Eastern
update…
by Greta Van Susteren

We just went to the van der Sloot home…no one is home (we will go back.) If you follow GretaWire you know their neighbors had a monkey in an outdoor cage that we fed daily summer of 05…that is the same monkey who socked me and we caught it on video camera. Well…we brought food today for the monkey but his cage was empty….looked like the monkey has not been there in a long time.

That was one of the nicest posts I have ever read. I agree that some of the most amazing people are here at SM!!

thanks Klaas...so glad Great got there and got some great interviews...

Hi everyone!  Has Tony been around today? Still wondering about that last post of his.  Okay.  I am a bit less skeptical today so I will provide some S/S for your amusement in a few minutes. 

I think I should have worn my muffs for Rob's video... :shock:

Good morning monkeys...

Thanks for the information on the boat heading for Aruba.

A thought about who might be the individual wired for information.  I do think Joran was the target.  I hesitate to think a female was wired.  It would take less than an hour for Joran to have his hands all over a good looking girl.  I think it was a male.  A student...A roommate...A friend from Aruba now living in the Netherlands.

Welcome to the new monkeys.....!

  Morning Lala's..haven't seen Tony since his post yesterday.... :-?

No, Tony has not been back and I haven't seen anything elsewhere about Steve Croes.

OMG I was ROTFlmaooo @ him. He had a major case of restless leg syndrome going on, only it was in his @$$...
Joey knows the truth but gets paid to lie and hide it.....period. That is his job.

I THINK THE NEXT ARREST WILL BE PAULUS (FOR SURE)

EVERYONE KNOWS HE IS INVOLVED. IF THEY SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THROUGH INTERROGATIONS, THE TRUTH WOULD CERTAINLY BRING FORTH HIS NAME. CONSEQUENTLY, HE WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION.  FURTHERMORE, SINCE HE HAS STATED, IN THE PAST, THAT HE WOULD NOT GIVE INFO VOLUNTARY -- THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE CASE. THAT ONE WAY IS TO FORCE HIM THROUGH HIS RE-ARREST.

QUESTION... WHAT HAPPENS IF THE SUSPECTS DO NOT TALK, LITERALLY ??
(1) DOES NOT TALKING = CONCEDING EVERYTHING AS BEING FACTUAL OR (2) DOES NOT TALKING = NOTHING, LIKE PREVIOUS INTERROGATIONS ?? THOUGHTS...

Hi Mere - yes, maybe a roommate?  hmmm

The way Hans Mos talks, if they don't talk they will be conceding everything as being factual and THAT would not be in their (JK2) best interest.

Joran must have killed the monkey.

but all they have to do is keep tossing out lies until one sticks.  worked last time

Yes, as Helen Back said, Mos is "wicked smart".  He's high profile and with his previous work with drugs, you can bet he's after bigger game.  The three years that he is to be in Aruba ought to be just about enough time to catch game that even the monkeys aren't aware of yet.  Should be interesting to watch.

I feel much better after reading the transcript of Mos's interview last night. It is very positive. They intend to do business. They're playing hardball.

he probably did!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Morning STL....hope you are feeling better today

Good morning or afternoon to you too NYC_lover...another question if you don't mind.


Jossy Mansur said on Nancy Grace last night that if the suspects are sentenced to jail that they could petition to serve their time or part of it in the Netherlands. Would this include the Kalpoes as they are not Dutch or Aruban?  TIA

Goede Morgen...yes let's hope the news today include at least one more arrest :lol:

 :shock: :shock: :shock:

Morning....so do I.....I think if anyone can get this done...it's MOS.....the only thing that niggles me is that there are some aruban LE involved still....I know MOS said they were hand picked by the Dutch....but it still makes me leery

No San, he's in witness protection. :wink:

MomInOhio - Ops sorry, I see I have make a spell wrong :2brickwall:
I want to see, What is the news in Aruba today?

Lala's - LOL, witness protection...  :lol: :lol: :lol:

NYC - nothing new out of Aruba yet today

Hope Greta does a follow-up on that "empty" Noord Polis Station.

Anyone know who KJ'S boss was during the Investigation? I know that person has been replaced but It is quite clear they are a huge part why this case was not solved 2 years ago. The Family Attorney last night hinted about the restrictions placed on the OM and we have all seen the unbelievable acts that have come out of that office.

The icing on the cake before he/she left had to be releasing PVDS as a suspect and the Reenactment that they did. The show is a perfect example of the investigation they were running and they even hired a black person to portray Joran..That person should be Interrogated why they killed the Investigation. I'M sure Hans Mos is well aware of all of this but the truth should come to light.

I "think" Mos said that the "Dutch team" was hand-picked and that they had to keep some of the Aruban LE because they were "there at the time" and they had "history".   

I keep wondering whether Joe Tacopino has an official connection to the case or is just a commentator. What if he has been retained as Paulus's attorney but no one is saying so yet because Paulus hasn't been arrested yet. Joe T would be planning to go to Aruba at that point, when they take Paulus away. Joe T's experience as a mob lawyer would come in handy for Paulus and the others at his level: how to defend / protect one person without bringing down the whole mob (drug operation in this case). He would be the perfect attorney for Paulus, and that thug Les Levin would scare off any would-be informers.

After Mos soooooo implicated Paulus in his interview last night
It would seem that it is only a matter of time until Paulus is
rearrested....if Paulus doesn't have a heart attack first.

I think a better answer would be throwing some more roaches and rats in on them when they get quiet and if they talk and then lie about it, then put Joran, Deepak together to do battle with baseball bats, and the winner has to do battle with Satish.  Like my version of a dogfight.

I don't for a minute believe that Mos is just "stabbing in the dark"  The evidence is there.

We have known all along about the descrepencies, stories that don't jive, the time line mistakes...They have just found that stuff.  In the previous investigation, there was ALOT that was either overlooked or just plain ignored.  Not to mention the way they NEVER followed up on questions during interrogations.  It was always there, glaring at us - so very obvious.

I honestly don't think it was much of a stretch for someone to go back over the dossier and see what we have known all along.

I also don't think they'd be re-arresting and re-interrogating just for show... This is the real thing.  I feel very confident.

I agree Buckshot. I found that some time ago. I don't think I posted it when I read it, but I think it is BS, but parts are interesting.

I'm echoing Greta, but remember that Kock only has what Hans produced in this first round specifically against Satish. Of the three, there probably is less evidence against Satish than Deepak or Joran. Hans has also as much as said that he is holding something back as well.

If the same judge has decided on all three suspects to hold them, he's got a much clearer picture of the evidence than any one of the suspects and can see the relativity to each. I think it is very significant to re-arrest and hold suspects after 2 and one half years. There's solid stuff here, IMO.

LOL...no I don't speak Dutch...a dutch couple we met in Jamaica last fall taught me to say Good Morning!! That's all I know ....I am great and hope you are the same....like all of us I am waiting and hoping for new information from Aruba today.

I also noticed WWizard was back.  I don't read backward so I am wondering what Wwizard's new theory is.

private eye - what a special post.

welcome.

Ok..then I got it wrong...I do remember the history statement.....

 

OMG San....noooooooo  :smt022  ...but you may be right  :sad:

When he was on Hannity & Combs (sp?) last night with Baden, he said he is in an advisory poisition with the attorney in Aruba, iirc.

Teaser for 11:00 Birmingham news.
"Aruban authorities comtemplate taking even more action."
Klaas they did show Joran in handcuffs getting out of a ploice van yesterday.

Kock told Greta the mantra the attorneys are advising their clients. "Don't answer the same questions you've been asked before." under the guise of "why should I? this is old rehashing."

BUT, Hans said last night, and I think it's important, that the suspects have publically stated, "One day I want to and will tell the truth of that night." Hans said that was totally unacceptable, that if there was more to tell they need to tell it now to aid the proper investigation. I think their words helped convince a judge to hold them. I would think it's an easy argument for a prosecutor to make that by their own admission, they know more than what they have said, and they need to be forthcoming with it.

Or drown in a pool of sweat. :shock:

Mos did not give it all up yet to get them detained. He said himself that they have held back. Paulus being in the same law firm as Carlos is a big concern of mine.
Wish they could just put him away somewhere for the time being or detain him.
He must be just poison to anyone he knows or speaks to right now.
The Tacopina Brothers, that was a hoot.

Magnolia - thanks for the update and the headsup on the handcuffs.  What station in Birmingham was that?

More action?   :lol: :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/Sweatyrunningman-new2-1.gif)

position or poison (pick your own... :lol: )

I have many senior moments, but correct me if I have one but do I not remember that just prior to vanderStraateen's "holiday" to "Bonair," he remarked that he knew Natalee was dead because "I have seen the evidence..."

Re:  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

This is the heart of the matter, isn't it?  Premeditated Paulus.  Bet we can expect that charge to be different.  "Joran and the Chipmunks"!  Too funny Frank!

PS Frank:  I read your blog every day. :wink:

That is Birmingham ABC 33/40.  It is the only local station with people on Aruba and have had some good information.  They sent a crew when the story of the new arrest first broke.

NYC,

Always good to see you here. We appreciate your input.

Would it be one of these? From Sunfreak's thread...Aruba's Who's Who

PEDRA, Theresa Croes-Fernandez  - District Attorney
CROES, Rudy  - Minister of Justice, Aruba.

Mos will not work by timelines set by anyone but himself, as he said. I expect he intends to keep the suspects off guard. Expect the unexpected.

I expect something very soon as actionable and am betting he will not wait to bring charges. In fact, I'm wondering if we even have to wait the 8 days at all.

Thanks, Magnolia.   I just wanted to tell you (albeit late) how much I have missed you, how concerned for you I was and how many of your recipes I Have tried and that not only are you my favorite tree, but you are a precious gem among many jewels.  Thank you for keeping us abreast of this local information, which is very noteworthy and less abstract.

Exactly. The twits are making the authorities look like fools and the authorities can't let that kind of stuff pass. No authorities anywhere could put up with that. Rule of law goes down the drain if the perps get to decide what they will tell, and when, probably with a book contract.

I don't want Kock to win his plea to remove the restriction to represent both Kalpoe's. I think he said the hearing will be Thursday.

You know they are sharing information, but it makes it a little less convenient.

Yes, I remember that, too.  Makes one think that Mos should find out about that evidence.

Was musing to myself this morning that, after all this time, no theory has been proved or disproved. I'm more of an ******* now but........

Mos said that there was new evidence that J2K had not been questioned on.
That Joran told a reporter that he would tell what really happened one day but that he wasn't ready to do that yet.....THAT is new evidence.  Go, Mos!!
Question the little creep about the words right out of his own mouth!!

I dont have a clue who Karen Janssen's boss is and I have never seen it written . I know Rudy Croes must be everyones boss in Aruba except Oduber. He's up to his eyeballs in this coverup but I'M quite sure he wasnt the one calling the shots from the Prosecuters office. He may have been dictating orders to them though.

Magnolia - I went to the website and found a video from last night, not what you saw today.  They did have a clip of Joran getting out of a police van but I believe it's from 2005.  Here is a screen shot.  It's 2005 unless they have cut Joran's hair in jail.  Plus, the judge was going to KIA yesterday so Joran wouldn't have been transported to my knowledge:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/JoranHandcuffsold.jpg)

I may be wrong Tyler, but I thought that was around June 10th, when Oduber dropped his bombshell on Beth.

I am happy to be a part of this forum who cares and know that each and everyone here does and regardless of our in-house spats that occur from time to time, it is only because we want what is right done and done now.

Yes, there is a God and He is alive and well, it's Christmas!

 They will ALL be singing this song !!

Prison Bitch   :lol:     http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnS2xixCMCU

hey WIZ.. great to see you again !

Check back later.. I have tons I need to get done !! 

Well, nothing new except the lovely pictures of Joran( with a smirk on his face) in cuffs, being taken into the courthouse yesterday.
Unloaded from the back of a police van.
Said they will have more from Aruba at 5:00.
Did say that they have actual evidence that Natalee is dead and
there is a big argument between defense lawyers and prosecutors
as to the new evidence and whether it is new or not.

Thanks Tyler...I've missed you too.

After finding out the monkey was wired and the neighbor who feigned blindness, was indeed neither blind nor deaf.

Thanks Magnolia - for keeping us up on this...

IMO, it really doesn't matter what the lawyers consider old or new... IF it was never presented to the judge, it is new...  Whatever it is, it is big enough to hold them for questioning....Defense lawyers want to spin it which ever way they want, but it won't work this time...

J4N - thank you. I am glad, I am welcome at this monkey family.  :wink:

"New Technology" and  also a NEW ATTITUDE is helping to solve Natalee's case:

Prosecutor who WANTS to solve the case.
Prosecutor who refuses to coddle the suspects.

A very smart man. I have complete faith in Hans Mos. Go get 'em, Mos!

All I know is goede morgen and hoe gaat het met u? Because I worked with a German gal once and she always came in each day with a smile and greetings of the morning.

<<<snipped>>>  Hans Mos interview on Greta:

And what we think is very important, at least the Dutch suspect, instead of the two Surinams, and his father, who was one way or another involved in this case, has said in interviews that they are willing to talk. They are willing to disclose what happened in the past at a time set by them. And we think it is very important that this is the time to disclose this information to the public and to us because their point of view is, their son or this suspect, this Dutch suspect, didn't do anything, but he has information and he doesn't give it. We think that's unthinkable.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle


When you guys get tired of hearing about Shango...just let me know..not that it will stop me.  :roll:

Tyler, I believe it was Van der Straaten who said that.

This seems a good time to bring up something that's been rattling in my head for months.

Of the statements we have here - and I *know* we don't have all of them - Satish only signed ONE. He signed his 5/31 PV (Holiday Inn story). He refused to sign the others. I don't *think* unsigned statements are usable.

Tylergal - That is nice. I like German, I speak fluent German with a Swiss dialect. And people think I come from Swiss. But the next time, we must speak about this stuff in the monkey louge. Ok?

They should have sent in the cockroaches and rats way back then.

I think it's good that some ale are still there. Do you really think they can influence 45 new investigators? If anything these guys will be on very thin ice and probably over-compensate.

It was all about leadership. There were different factions in the beginning and the fact is Paulus has no power, no leverage, he is isolated.

Once this becomes clear to the 3 suspects, it's over. Daddy cannot help them anymore.

I miss Sleuth.

<<<snipped>>> Hans Mos from the interview by Greta:

And the Dutch guys much lean on that information. And again, they took a fresh view on the whole investigation they got from Aruba, and they found the new leads in the case. They said, This is what you have to reinvestigate. This is what we have to go for. These witnesses have to be sought and have to be questioned. That's what they did, and we call it a sort of review.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. he knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.

Rob - I do too.  Last post she made she sounded very busy.  Hopefully she'll post again when she can.

hahahahaha...spewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Part of taking a  "fresh look" at the case would be to use common sense and logic.

I agree Frank.  This investigation has a new "feel" about it.  Soon the 3 amigos will realize this, and start talking...

I am also hoping that the "old" investigators might feel comfortable enough to tell what went on in the previous investigation... wouldn't that be rich?

I don't think there are 45 new investigators. Rather, I think Mos was saying that they have 45 people on the entire team, including the lawyers and even the people who coordinate the activities. That would mean secretaries. He's was taking care to give credit to all the people working on this, as any good manager would.

Satish's statements have always bothered me. In the ones around 6/9 to 6/13 he refused to answer a lot of questions, but did not realise they were not signed. One he answers about Steve Croes and then he refused to answer anything else! One he says nothing!

I think that Hans has put ALE in a really precarious position. By managing to get the 3 arrested and held, everyone is starkly aware that the world's attention is right back in their lap. Those who would protect the island in an ill concieved intention to just "make this case go away and protect tourism and the economy of the the island" are between a rock and a hard place. The arrests are a fact, already done, so what are the choices?

1. Let them go for insufficient evidence and close the case.
        THAT starts the outrage all over again, and criticism only heightens in the face of    Han's public incriminating statements. This backlash would make the first storm look like a Spring shower.

2. Progress to trial and find them not guilty
    See no.1

3. Progress to trial and find them guilty
       World view has no choice but to remove the case from it's radar. It's over. There will be criticism in the immediate aftermath, but it will be mixed with praise for bringinf it resolution. Saying that in Aruba, there is no police authority or accountability for crime would require the footnote that Natalee's case WAS solved.

I'm not sure that even ALE will get in the way this time. It's not that cut and dry, really, because ALE may very well have an interest in not divulging what was done to sweep the crime under the rug initially. But, I don't think I'm the only one looking ahead to the impact of what happens to the island as a result of these arrests.

I noticed in the 6/13 statement Satish does not mention the cleaning of the car for sand allegedly left by Joran.  He only mentions the ant car wash.

To answer your question when it was the last time Deepak´s car was cleaned: the last time Deepak and I cleaned the car it was Sunday May 29, 2005, during the evening.

Seems like I remember that too.  Satish didn't sign all of his statements.  If I heard right during the interviews last night, it sounded like most, if not all, of the interviews were videotaped.  If so, you would think those tapes and anything the suspects said on them could be used in the investigation.  Maybe not at the trial, but could be used to provide direction for the investigators.  (Just thinking out loud)

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have to pick them up to make that decision?

MOS: That's a good question. Yes, we thought we did because there was new evidence gained after the moment that they were released, which was two years ago. And it's quite a lot of evidence, at least a lot of material, and there's a lot of it is evidence, and the evidence is just material, but they have to be confronted with that because they were never confronted with those findings.

We progress in this investigation quite a lot, and they didn't -- don't even know what we got in the meantime. So we had to confront them with it. They are suspects, each of them, and they are witnesses against the other, possible. So we have to question them.

And what we think is very important, at least the Dutch suspect, instead of the two Surinams, and his father, who was one way or another involved in this case, has said in interviews that they are willing to talk. They are willing to disclose what happened in the past at a time set by them. And we think it is very important that this is the time to disclose this information to the public and to us because their point of view is, their son or this suspect, this Dutch suspect, didn't do anything, but he has information and he doesn't give it. We think that's unthinkable.

If we have this information we have right now, then he should disclose this information to us. The same counts for the other two suspects, who also have said, at least one of them, that he will disclose it in due time, that he is not involved. Well, let him disclose it because we are only seeking the truth, what happened. That's what we are aiming for. And if this information given by them shows that they are not involved, then they will not be prosecuted. But we don't think that that's the case.

Someone posted earlier that the sentence for Voluntary manslaughter is 15 years. Does that remind anyone of the Van Transcript?

Deepak said if they find out what happened Joran would get 15 years.

I think Paulus had had a "sentencing 1-0-1" around the pool with the boys and had defined the charge if the truth came out. They knew what the charge and sentence would be because Paulus, KNOWING what happened, defined it for them.

CBB...I had read a while ago that all interviews were taped and summarized. Therefore the new team should have the tapes that go with the summaries. If it's a law thing they can't just disappear, can they?

From Greta's blog:

November 27th, 2007 12:29 PM Eastern
Just Talked to Potentially Crucial Witness
by Greta Van Susteren

Just spoke to what I characterize as a ‘reluctant witness’ - the witness confirmed to us seeing someone at Kalpoe house on morning (middle of the night) of Natalee’s disappearance washing Deepak’s car…


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/27/just-talked-to-potentially-crucial-witness/

hi klass, just want to know what happened to my avitar it dissapeared how can i get it back / please advise. it was there until you tried to put it on the christmas tree. sl

Sandy - looks like you added it directly from ImageIglu and they may be having a problem right now.  I'll see if I can add it back for you.

Does anyone know for sure yet if Beth is on the island or not?   I don't think she would rush to Aruba just because there has been re-arrests; what good would that do her?  IF she does go to Aruba I think it would be because Dave is almost certain they will find Natalee and Beth would want to be there to bring her daughter home.  What say you?

Well, I don't know how I would feel if I were Beth right now.  But as an outsider I don't see a reason for her to go there right now.  JQK is in contact with the prosecutor and it just seems like she would be subjecting herself to all the same nonsense that she went through before.  Why do that if you have someone with the legal experience of JQK doing your talking for you.

Of course, it isn't my child that has been made to disappear, so I probabaly don't know what I'm talking about.

interesting I was just checking the Satish transcripts about his testimony re washing the car and then here's this:

 Gretawire...

November 27th, 2007 12:29 PM Eastern
Just Talked to Potentially Crucial Witness
by Greta Van Susteren
Just spoke to what I characterize as a ‘reluctant witness’ - the witness confirmed to us seeing someone at Kalpoe house on morning (middle of the night) of Natalee’s disappearance washing Deepak’s car…       

LOL.  You could be Greta!!!

I think you're right, Mum! I think Hans is WELL aware that the videos depict at the VERY least a need for follow-up questions that were never asked. I get the impression that Hans is trying to not openly criticize ALE, but to do it right this time.

I found that in the Nancy Grace transcript from last night. It was part of the videoclip and from an 'unidentified female'. I did not see it and thought that Ospainter was going to watch it, so maybe we'll get some comments from the evening Monkeys. Did anyone else see it? Would be interested to know who they interviewed. TIA

Arubagirl posted about a person who saw this, iirc.

We all feel the same thing about Beth: total empathy and real affection. Having said that, I believe that Beth would serve as a distraction right now to what's going on in the case. She has become, unfairly, a lightning rod for anger to the economic sufferings of the island. By not doing interviews and being in front of the camera, it helps keep the focus on the suspects who are the REAL reasons for Aruba's troubles.

Joran is being held on the Eastern side of the island in a remote, windswept area, in the main prison for the island. (FOX now)

yea-----and they should stop putting cocaine on their frosted flakes :roll:

cbb ... well stated.  Thank you.

Murphy's law ... Beth will likely appear as a talk show guest today. :lol:

Janet

They expect Tim in Aruba on Dec 6.

How does this jive with the "holding" guidelines of the suspects? Anyone? TIA

WASHING YOUR CAR (INSIDE AND OUT) IN THE EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING....

THAT'S NORMAL, RIGHT?? EVERYBODY DOES THAT.

WHEN THE SHIT GOES DOWN, YA BETTER BE READY......

 :lol: I know Murphy well, Janet! If I ever run into him, I'm going to choke him!  :lol:

uummmmm would love to know how this came about? where has the witness been for the past 2 1/2 years?  is it possible that papa-pervert is involved in new witnesses coming forward to put all the blane on the k2's...thereby allowing his son-pervert to walk away scott free? DAMN I hope not!!

Thanks Klaas, I remember she was very busy... but what a superstar she is and I feel kinda sad she is not here to share all the good news.

Is close to the sharks?  Maybe he would like to take a walk for some fresh air? :roll:

I hope she is not going...at least not right now...I think her presence will take away from what's happening right now....I can imagine her wanting to be there ....especially after the ship arrives and starts searching....

To All - I really learned a huge lesson over the last 2 and a half years, and YES, even an old boy like me still learns every day!!! I think I knew the lesson, but not the actual term for it.

It is the Lack Of Empathy that is the real Evil in this world and what we all try so hard to combat on this site and the sites that have sprung up from it.

WE continue to EDUCATE while others spread the HATE.

Well, I am so dumb...it just occurred to me why I am distrusting of this new info.  The only thing I keep hearing is the defense side of this issue...they are not guilty, it's not new evidence, the are not being treated fair....etc.  The real truth is locked up with the prosecution and they are not leaking anything...zero...zip....nada. I will feel this way until the prosecution plays their hand...what was I thinking?  Whew!  I feel a little better now.  I hate it when I am the last person to get these new revelations. :roll:

Doesn't everybody? After all, nobody had work or school the next day, and that moonlight just can't be beat for not missing a single speck!

Considering that the following night, when Beth and Jug showed up, Deepak and Joran were still going strong in the wee hours of the morning: out at the casinos, these boys are a remarkable testiment to fun through exhaustion. AND they went to work and school the next day, too!

It's such transparent B/S, isn't it?

I think the witness has always been there.  Arubagirl told us about a witness....a friend of her Mom's, I think.  The information was clear.  This person saw the car being washed in the middle of the night.

Way to go Lala's......I bolded what is so important for all of us to remember....Mos is playing his cards close and the defense attorney's are actually doing their job

Especially when it was the very back of the property which made it more suspicious.

I was thinking the same thing as this may be a slow process. Do the Investigators have anything to bargain with? Are they offering the Crowne Witness to anyone? Are they offering protection for anyone that may be reluctant to come forward?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened



You guys are ignoring me aren't you?   :wink:

aaahhhhhhh that's for bringing that up...I did forget that totally...whew...that helps relieve my fears that papa-pervert is fabricating witnesses....i would imagien that he is being watched (I hope)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened



You guys are ignoring me aren't you?   :wink:
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LOL LOL...Lala's...not ignoring you...last time I asked a question about S I got tarred and feathered.....so  I am really careful :shock:

This is for our Lalas  :lol:

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk
The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/ The birdie has come down from the cable/ we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

I am back. Klaasend - thanks for posting this. Does ALE seeying this as a new evidence for the Kalpoes brothers in the Holloway case? When they saying, this is not new, only just old, and probably is this stay in the documents of the Holloway document.
And clarity by the witness characterize confirmed of seeing someone at Kalpoe house washing Deepaks car.

You are killing me, Lala's!  :lol:

Well, brace yourself for the onslaught, Lala's. Taco's going to be busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rockers, and we're going to hear him and those he's directing everytime this case is covered on MSM. I think he's more dangerous right now than he's ever been before. The island watches the news just like we do, IMO. It would not serve the case well if Aruba perceives that there is a chance to return to the old "don't admit they murdered her for economy's sake" mindset. Taco is absolutely directing the attitude of Kock and others as well, I'm sure of it. It's subtle but Kock had Taco's mantra down pat last night.

I don't know how to do it, but I would love to reach somebody's ears with encouragment for how this is progressing so far: Point out that these developments have the potential for restoring tourist trade there, and that it's the right the thing to do for Natalee's family and for the island.

Folsom Prison Blues?

LOL LOL...Lala's...not ignoring you...last time I asked a question about S I got tarred and feathered.....so  I am really careful :shock:


Did I tar or feather?   Heaven forbid!  I am sorry if 'twas me. :wink:
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Apparently the witness/neighbour who observed Deepak washing his vehicle on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing obtained an attorney and ... was not heard from again.  Was a statement taken?

Something akin to Mickey John who publicly claimed to Greta that Deepak convey to him while detained that Paulus was involved in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication.  Was a statement taken?

Janet

+++++++++++++++


Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway
NEW YORK LAWSUIT

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.
 
     40.  In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.


Mickey John - Security Guards
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

Hi Mere,  I thought we heard that a neighbor said she saw Deepak washing his car and she knew the car very well as it always went by her house.

That clip from Greta almost sounds like it was someone else besides Deepak that was seen washing the car?  " . .seeing someone . . washing Deepak's car."  Hard to tell as it is kind of vague!

I can't keep up with all the posts!  Hope this has not already been answered but I believe the one above I put in red was Karen Janssen's boss during the investigation.  She is also the mother of Marianne Croes who was the original spokesperson for the prosecutor until KJ asked that she be replaced.


GOOD MORNING!  Monkeys have been so busy I can't read all the posts!!!

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We need to also remember the bang up job done in the first investigation(If you'd even call it that)

There is NO telling how many witnesses, tips, etc. that were disregarded or ignored.  With this new revelation, there may be alot come forward...

Nobody can read them all, Anna................except Klaas, and we all know she's the only living creature that has no cryptonite!  :lol:

I usually skim through the preceeding 3-4 pages and ask what I need to!  :lol:

IIRC, there were three people see washing Deepak's car.  Big question for me has always been who was that third person.  We discussed it at length long ago as some of you should remember because we joked that maybe it was Nadira.

Does this job anybody's memory?

I have no idea if this has anything at all to do with the new evidence, probably not.  This witness was reluctant to do interviews back in 2005.  It's not news to us as we were told about this witness by an Aruban before the witness went to ALE.

Mos said he has enough to go to trial and get a conviction NOW.  Those worried about the Dec 31 deadline should not be concerned as Hans is the one who made it and can just ask for extension if he needs one. 

Already having enough for a trial doesn't sound as though he is concerned.

Thoughtprint from his interview with Greta was his description of manslaughter.  Used example of hitting on head with ax.  Now I know he would NOT use the exact thing he has but something similar.  He was telling us there was violence of some sort involved and not just the violence of an overdose gone wrong.

MO

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no ..of course not...no

Remember Simian?  Yes, the inside ALE, Simian...he knew and had access to some info...maybe they will revisit it again also...


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:56 pm
There is a gap in the stories between father and son.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:03 pm
The gap is in the timeline. Phone records. Log-on times on PC’s.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

The same thing is dawning on me. The only ones talking are on the defense side, and it's to their advantage to blabber on and on. No one on Mos's team of 45 is likely to talk at all, certainly not on televsiion. Therefore, most of what we see has to be defense blather or idle speculation from the usual commentators such as Vinda and Jossy. Good for Greta for seeking out new comments from possible first-hand witnesses.

I admit I have wondered about that too?  "You are the one who knew those Automotive people."  There was another comment that Joran made indicating Deepak had gotten in touch with someone, perhaps the bifrons, that did the dirty deed, but then Deepak counters with "when they find the girl, they are going to find all that shit," and "your own father, unbelievable.."  Is this about the time that Joran says he wished he had killed K2?