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Klaas
You locked the teacher out of the room! That's not very nice at all.  :roll:

Fabienne Maessen - This is the girl that Joran was with at the Marriott recently - she is now living in the Netherlands

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Thanks, Klaas! You are such a sleuth!!!  :wink:

Sorry LaLa's.  You are right about the North Coast issue and Deepak's car.  Beyond the Lighthouse and from what I hear even right at the Lighthouse the roads get pretty rough.  Deepak's car being lowered would have a rough time if not impossible driving in that area.

CBB... I am hoping that we can maybe work some tomorrow night(?) on taking the statements and the backseat conversation together to see if there is anything that can be pulled out...

but as much as I have been fighting it... I am getting tired... and I have a huge list of chores in the morning...

Nite, Mrs. Red...............I'm going to catch up on some of the statements.

Nite Monkies!

Lala's.. if you are still here... I am getting the Shango... and Yes I agree with Klaasend...

and I think if we combine it all... we may just may find the answer we are looking for....at least it is my hope....

I am afraid I have to exit the cage quickly.  We have to run back to the ER for the second time tonight with the baby.  Enjoy the rest of the evening folks.  

Klaas, GOOD WORK!!!!

I knew you day monkeys would wimp out on me... :roll:

I hope the baby will be okay, please come back and update us when you can.

Nite y'all....

be good to each other... it's a mean ugly world out there... we need all the hope we can get...

hugs and love to you all...

Keep the faith!

Hope everything turns out okay, anidac.

Lala's, I am not going anywhere.  Why so glum, chum?

Nite, CBB!  I have missed you!

Nite, Mrs. Red!

The part I bolded refers to a little statement in the "Deepak e-mail" to Betty from way back (remember that?) that totally took my breath away when I saw it... because it was the kind of "occult detail" that made me think the e-mail WAS indeed legit. And I DO think it was legit.

Deepak stated that Natalee had said that "she had seen sharks before" ON THIS TRIP. Which she HAD, on the snorkling outing. It seemed like a little throwaway statement to make, but it was BIG (and it seemed HUGE to me) because it signified that Deepak was correct. It meant that Deepak was accurately reporting what Natalee ACTUALLY HAD SAID in the car... up to SOME unknown point where the lying starts. There was NO way Deepak thinks something like that up on his own and he has no way of knowing that fact unless Natalee said it that way. He doesn't just throw something like that out there and add the deatil that she had seen them "before"... unless she really did say that.

That also, sadly, may furnish a piece of the puzzle as to WHY Natalee went in the car in the first place. She actually DID have in mind to go sightseeing. Maybe the guys suggested it to her, while the drug took effect. Maybe she hinted something like that and the guys pounced on the opening.

She wanted to see the sharks one last time.

She saw sharks that night. 3 of them. Maybe more.  :cry:

Geeez  OK Monkeys

Sorry about con't the Shango

I wasn't party to the tension stuff and personally really don't care.... just in months of trying to break the code all the SM went through.

The Code gave us info that the MSM didn't even have.

If we are hitting raw nerves here discussing Shano on a Natalee Holloway then perhaps it time for some us to move on to a sep. thread

I just can't see this in-fighting we when are discussing part of what developed in the Shango script.

I just know IMO that rereading what I had been reading and watching de-coded makes a lot more sense not than then.

Klass, if it is offensive... perhaps we need a Tread other than this on.

Sorry guys... I don't usually interject my feelings

But what the H(*&Y is all this about??? No I really don't want to know.

Maybe time for a seperate Thread.

I'm out of here for the nightGo back and read the Shango code/script.... here is still stuff in there that hasn't surfaced yet.

We are killing the messengers if each time we post an opinion we are open to arrows.

I am out of here... hopefully just for the night! OK may still lurk if can't sleep.

Sorry Lala's. I'll be back. You have really done some work!

PS: That girl is very pretty. Why in the world is she with him??? Is she looking for fame and fortune?  

UCK!!!

Mrs. Red organized these dance lessons and then she decides to take a nap.  No one wants to dance with me.  Tango?

Klaas,

Sorry forgot the second "a"  but you still are a Klass (Class) act.

Monkeys keep to the good work

anidac

Please post when you get back from the ER and let us know how it went... Good luck! :lol:

Luv all

IBE

IBE - Shango is not a problem in this thread.  I don't think it's necessary to create another Code thread like we had before.  There's not enough news right now to keep two threads moving in the case anyway.

I have long believed in Shango and Simian.

Oh.  I don't tango well, but I will listen and try to help. ?

Yeah, I am afraid I need to call it a day too. Bearlyhere, you missed a lot of stuff from earlier and if you aren't caught up, you ought to go back and read some.

See y'all tomorrow night.

Lala's said:
From Joran's June 9 statement:
I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low.

That little statement bothers me for some reason. What is the reference to the North Coast? Was Joran accused of being seen there? Is this the place where the most recent witness claims to have seen Joran with Natalee?
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So Joran is telling Deepak to go to a place where Deepak's car can't go so Natalee can see the sharks she already saw?  Joran is saying Natalee didn't ask to go there specifically, but Joran did?

Hi sb!  That's exactly what I am doing, thanks.

Well it's obvious I have cleared the room with Shango once again...I give up!  I am going to bed too.  Too bad you guys don't like to tango...Shango was privy to the perp statements and that is how the riddle started.  He was trying to tell what they were saying and what was being said about them without losing either his source on the inside or maybe even his own job.  Since the statements have surfaced I have found many things that make more sense of Shango and Simian than I ever have.   So who really knows for sure if any of this is legit?  Shango knows.   Night monkeys...hugs to Nemo.

Is Mrs Red still here? Probably not but I have to ask her...
Mrs Red...if you dont like your food to touch, then how do you eat chicken-pot-pie??? :lol:
And if you dont then you are really missing out :wink:
Also, I guess you could dip the biscut in the tomato gravy :lol:

Thanks Klaas

I am only on page 30

I am glad there won't be a sep. thread... after I posted that I rethought and if we keep it hear.... we might just get going into this again... and have many BINGO MOMENTS... since more is being "released" every day... ie statements et al



This is CHOICE!

Gads, it's hard when you get hours/pages behind in the reading.

Sure wish I could reread the Code Talkers Thread again.

It would be with "newer eyes"

Thanks all

I regrouped with a Dr. Pepper (gee thanks Southeners!) You have changed me off Cokes.

Lala I see you are here with your pencils. I'd like to dance with you all but can't tonight re: Mr. None and all suffering

Hey... don't forget to email Bill O'Reilly and thank him for the comments he make about the NH case

LALA'S, YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!!

Could the key be the panties? The panties Anita could describe so well?

Juping back in for a minute to test my dsl.. hi spooky! You're gonna have to carry on tonight, I HAVE to head out so I can get up early tomorrow.

Ibe, Lala's, Bearly, everyone, I think there's a lot to the Shango stuff and I think we need to continue this and look at what he(?) really was trying to tell us. I think there's a LOT of detail in his story that would explain things.

I have never subscribed to the idea that this case is "simple", if it was, it would have almost solved ITSELF with self-evident details. Complicated events took place that night, and even more involved things happened to "paper over" the crime afterwards.

Yes Mrs. read... it's all in "plain view" (he he alittle Shango there). We are connecting more dots suddenly. Like a new surge.

I think in Shango he said "I have even danced with the Red Cowboy"
    IMO At first I thought.. really dancing and the writer had to be a girl??but that didn't make sense last month.. Now in the last few weeks I have learned that Red has lived/visited Aruba often for years.
I think this means the info has been shared with The SM and ref. too to the background info that Red told Beth etc at first that they might be getting "shined on"... ie a cover up.
          I wonder if the date in the code matches when Red was there?
I remember spending hours researching (ie learning) about bifrons (sp?) the music of Aruba, and myths the Code refers too.

Anna and many on the SM bus were the first ones... I saw your avatars on the bus last night and remembed.. shy me then.. lurked, and lurked

Now I wish to learn all your names.

Wish to go find my back up CDs to see who helped me with my avatar. Thought I was really a big Monkey then! Then we had Katrina and I posted there; then was ill and now back. I am glad we don't have the "rating" system... OK so much for last year!

Luv you all You guys (transplanted Hoosier generic for "you=all") are so smart and dedicated. The dots are close to being filled in. Sharpen you pencils.

Sorry Mrs. Red... I called you Mrs. Read.. OK so I am pages behind and my mind is sad, tired. Sorry Mrs. Red

Klaas,

Is it possible to have a locked thread archive posted of the Code Talkers Thread archive for the first few months? back in June to say to Dec.++ of last year?

If we are going to Shango Tango again.. ? I see an archive now of Shango, one on Ernest but there were others of deep knowledge that posted in the Code Thread.

Based on what we know now, we might get some BINGOs rereading the indepth postings... 'cause Shango really went into follow the Music, Myths, et al and it all meant something. Dutchlady had some really neat theories as many other Scared Monkeys that are still here today!

I guess, I just don't want to re=research what has already been posted and the research I did that I didn't know had already been done.

IMO the first card was played was the action of disposing of the body/coverup and started the coverup the first day... the second card was played when Paulus made some sort of deal with Dirty Hand(s) or ???? whomever in govt??? (maybe Shango tells us)  between the June10th when Joran was so glum, hit the police car and June 24th +- when he was upbeat looking like he knew he had beaten the system. Paulus knew one maze well... how to beat the judical/police enforcement maze by calling in his favors (cards played).

But like all mazes... one just doesn't know what is around the next new corner, do they? I don't think when the coverup was started they realized the "stick-to-it-ness" of Natalee's families, the Americans, some good Arubians and smart Scared Monkeys. IMO


Lala dont forget the Bennent bend. the Anna lively waltz, the Arubiangirl polka, and the Dutchlady klog.  (sorry Anna couldn't think of names of dances for a better one for you) I'll try to do the IBE-wibby-waddle. I know there are those of you still here that were there, but I am just reading more and getting to know you.... the PICT of the Bus helped.

The Shango stuff brings back alot of good memories for me here. I'd tell my friends last summer... "oh this is what is going on... for I learned it on SM with the Shango code, just wait and see". and back last summer my friends told me to trade in the laptop! Now they call me when they see anything new in MSM in the case and say.. "didn't you tell us you learned it on SM long ago"

Go Go Monkeys , oh gads, the Monkey go go! Nite all.. actually no one is awake here.

SB thanks

Glad your DSL is working! I still have dial up but after 11 yrs. on Earthlink they gave me a deal this month and for life, yea that's what he said... on my dial up I couldn't turn down... to save $$ I am patient. DSL doesn't help me read faster... so I need DSL or more RAM for the brain.

Got alittle out of sorts tonight, but am back. Nite Nite have to go back to page 31

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God bless,
dkpen~

Morning monkeys.

Lala's -- I wish we were on the same 'sleep' schedule :D I've been tangoing since the first Shango dance. I was here when he was posting. I read your posts from last evening and I wish I had been awake to discuss with you.

I forget now the spanish statement you needed translated :oops:  I'll look later.

Simian began posting in Spanish because there was a fake Simian posting at the time. Simian said he/she was South American (I assumed Venezuelan). A 'doppleganger' is -- a fake. This was the time that 'allyinmiami' was posting and she was 'interpreting' for Simain

I think both Shango and Simian had inside info. Not necessarily 'correct' info however, as we've seen the concentrated effort to divert and deceive.

I said it earlier yesterday -- from the first time I read Shango, I got the impression that this was FBI or DEA. Someone who may be privy to the 'larger picture' -- not just Natalee's disappearance.

We have large FBI and DEA offices in Miami. (Duh :D ) Deetch's blog placed Shango in Ft Lauderdale (if you've seen his blog from the last 2 weeks). Maybe there are offices there as well.

Anyway -- post is already too long :D  Just wish I could stay awake later than 9:00 to dance with you Lala's Mom. :D Maybe not 'answers' -- but the 'confirmations' are there in the early posts.

Read Shango's last few posts from June 30 :shock:

Completely OT! Oh my gosh, I think that I may have discovered the root of many of the difficulties that Justin has! We've known for years that he has ADHD, and in more ones, an anxiety disorder. Also have known that he's a bright kid. I stumbled across a site about gifted children, which led me to research more re: their characteristics, and ultimately children who are both gifted and have ADHD.  Still much to determine with this, and luckily he is now in a school system that actually gives a chit and wants to assess him out the wazoo, in order to help him reach his potential, not just to get him to be "good".  Justin has been deeply impacted by our move from Indy, and is grieving. However, in the long run, this may well be the best thing that has happened for him in a long while. I am so excited and hopeful!

Hello to evryone, I have been away for quite a long time.  Trying to catch up, but, things seem to be too messy for me to un-tangle.

I did want to say this about Aruba and what they don't want to share with the U.S.  It is amazing that 10 years after the JonBenet case, something is going on.  Maybe we will see an end to this.  AMazing what happens when the police know and care enough to try and solve a case.  Certainly these young jerks cannot have been smart as to have wiped out all traces of infor from the hard drives and/or cell phone records.

Many months ago I had been quite involved in the Holloway case.  Reading and adding my two cents worth every now and again.  I posted  several times about the rough road area, or lack of roads around the Lighthouse.  I had described one area in the back to the right facing the Lighthouse, that looked like a dumping ground used by people who frequented the place to drink and/or have sex.  Many, many broken bottles, all sorts of junk like shoes, food containers, etc.,  This area was half paved, like they dropped the extra asphalt there when they finished.  Beyond that mess the walking was very difficult.  Huge peieces of limestone and huge cracks between the rocks, some areas were very smooth but  also steep.  I had also mentioned that at the top of the road leading up to the lighthouse; a thick speed bump was across the road.  We were in a toyota sedan, and had to almost go over it with the car just barely rolling so as not to bottom out.  I cannot believe that Deepak would have gone up there.  I do not rule out the possibility of the strange area where the park workers were later seen "painting" rocks; as well as whatever strange antics took place in that same area with items going into or coming out of police car trunks.  At that time, another poster poo-pooed my statement.  Saying she had been to the Lighthouse many times and even on horseback but she had never, never seen what I had described at the top.

Just to add another remark to someones question:  What is she doing with him?  Do we know about a friendship/relationship they may have had in the Netherlands?  Obviously from the photos of her on the zorpia site she has travelled around.  Some woman like to have "scary" men in their lives.  For all we know, maybe she has her own scary side.  She may have known he was from Aruba and paid for him to escort her to his homeland to show her around.   Burning question in my head::: why doesn't Joran ever wearing a swimsuit or shorts?  He does look pretty silly on the beach all covered up and her hardly covered.

Okay, I feel better now that I have spoken to my cyber-friends.

Good morning.  Nice to see ya, Mastiffs.

I agree mastiffs22 that this girl has been around.  What she sees in Joran I will never know.  Why would she put that current picture of herself and Joran on her home page.  I have seen other pictures of her friends and Joran doesn't fit the mold.  Is she playing some sort of game or is she enjoying her current fame of being with Joran.  If she is her parents better talk to her and quick.

I agree that Joran looks like an idiot on the beach.  He looks totally out of place for some reason.

i just clicked on this girls zorpia site and then clicked on one of her friends(bridgete)  and her friend had pictures of women having sex with dogs.  VERY disgusting.  These people are absolute sickos.

Hey Justinsmama,

I'm so thrilled to hear that Justin is in a good school where people understand and want to help him reach his maximum potential. I was one of those gifted kids with ADHD and anxiety and the myriad of behavioral problems that went along with it. I was really a miserable kid! I pray that Justin can thrive in  his new surroundings and find some happiness there. It's always hard to accept change, especially in kids like Justin, I think...It's still hard for me to deal with any type of change or loss....<sigh> Especially loss  :cry:

I had to jump through hoops to sign up to that zorpia site and they will probably drain my bank accounts, but I sent her a message. lol

Goodmorning all!


Easy - too funny.  Can't wait to find out if she responds!

she was online like 15 minutes ago, did she respond?

looks like she removed the link to the girls having sex with the dogs.  That was friggen disgusting!!!!!!

She was "online" when I sent the message and she signed off right after that.  I was direct and just asked if she was willing to talk.  I guess someone will have to go undercover. lol

She's back!

Hmmmm, wonder if she's reading here???

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/August/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

She checked out my profile, but she has not answered my PM's.

morning Klass...all the monkkeys....
I wonder if someday Shango or Simian will write a book......if i knew so much about this i could not hold onto it forever.....

MJ never answered any of my questions re the other guard or if he signed release to get out of jail....have not heard from him since that day....he does not like to talk about the case.....maybe he can come visit and we can trade soup recipies... :roll:

RED---looking forward to checking out RE site...u r a busy man.....w/ a great woman of course at your side....hi to Tom too...
I am soooooo glad i waited on buying a house here. one i was really int in was 349 in June....now @290..... :shock:
i am stating put in my little crack shack....plus i have not figured out how to change a light bulb....prob shouldn't get a house...lol

I noticed that too. She is either reading here or someone she knows is and warned her. Freaking freaks. Anything goes, I guess. Makes me sick.

How much you want to bet she is reading here.

I don't see the photo of her with Joran on the beach anymore.  Unless I am looking in the wrong place.

Easy

Hope you're using a gorilla facade.......she isn't sounding like the "sock monkey" type.

I do not believe you will (or anyone here) get any real answers from her. It is obvious she is just as much of a freak as all her friends and will just lie to cover them. Same ole' story, different day, month, year.

you know, I really hate to even say this but i think it has to be thought out.  Seeing that link brings all new meaning to when Deepak said  that he brought 2 dogs.

these people seem to be capable of just about anything after seeing that sick website.

that picture was there eariler this morning when i clicked that link to the dog sex page.

No, I was very polite with my attempt to talk.  If she does not answer, I will put on the gorilla mask.

tell her you have a bull mastif

It's still there  :wink:

could these people really be druggin women and letting dogs have sex with them so they can make some freak show videos?   That would surely explain the need fot the cover-up

How do you make a comment on that site?

Blah - that link you saw, was it a friend of hers or someone who posted a message to her?

didnt someone try and say that furiture truck in the sloot compound was a dog food truck?

dogs blood on a matress

deepaks statement and now this website

As usual you're right :lol:

Didn't she have that photo with Joran under Member Info?  Because when I went to the page last night and earlier this morning that was the first photo.  She switched it.

Easy - I've never commented on a Zorpia site but looking at it, looks like you just scroll down to the bottom of the comment area and there's a place to add your comments.

klaas, i really dont know, i didnt look at it very long, i was just having my morning coffee and waking it and it made me sick.

I clicked on one of her friends (was looking to see if any of her friends had Aruba pics) and the page it took me to was just filled with these pics.  I saw at least 6 different pics and it was very disturbing what they were doing with these dogs so i closed it and posted about it here.  Didnt anyone else see it??

I'm not sure how the photos work on Zorpia.  I always saw it by clicking on view all 11 of her photos.

Klaas -- I REALLY blew the margins in ARuba Deaths and Murders thread.

I'm sorry :oops: I don't know how to do that tiny url thing.

I'm fessin' up so maybe you can fix it before anyone tries to read it????

I found and posted the article about the Rasta killing the guy on the beach last summer.
 :oops:

So it was at one of her friends sites?  She has so many friends I haven't even looked at them other to see if any looked familiar.

I saw it earlier Klaas it wasn't someone who posted a message.  Blah is right it was disgusting.

yes, the friend's name was bridgete but shes not there anymore.  Looks like she removed bridgete not long after I posted about it being a link to dog sex site.

Fixed it!  We should give out long url awards, you would win that one hands down!!  :lol:  :lol:

Next time, go to www.tinyurl.com and test it out.  Once you go to the site it's pretty self explanitory.   :lol:

She has settings that won’t allow comments.  I’m not getting through to this girl.  I think I will send her name to a newspaper guy in Aruba.

Think Red may be giving her more attention later today in the form of a FP post too  :wink:  :lol:

The little girl seemed to want notoriety.  I hope this does it for her. lol

You wonder if the "friends" listed on the site are actually her friends or just peopel who have made contact with her through the site.  If you notice the majority of them are guys scattered all over.  I randomly clicked on a few of them and there didn't seem to be many that were connected.

I know my daughter says that she knows of girls and guys who have all these people on their My Space pages that they don't even know.  She said she has had guys connect to her and ask if they can be one of her "friends" and she says NO!-I don't know you.  Some of her friends even talk with these guys and think it is no big thing.

Just the fact that she is hooked up with Joran makes me question her.  I mean, before the NH case maybe he could sweet talk his way around girls, but now?  No way, his character has been public too much for someone not to be aware of it, or at least look into it.

What is the full name?

I've never won anything before :D

I think you might have figured out one of the reasons I lurked for 12 months :oops:

I figured out photobucket -- I'll figure out this tiny url thing too.

Thanks Klaas. :wink:

JonBenet break offers hope to other families

Investigators say a single lead and luck could make the difference in solving a cold case

By ARMANDO VILLAFRANCA
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4125237.html

Yes, and I'm sure that she is wondering what took us so long to find her...and is thrilled that her pictures are going to get an even wider viewing....and prolly wondering just how famous she is going to be...and if she will get her foot in the modeling/acting/or jetset scene. This girl can have a sweet, innocent look, but don't be fooled. She is not an innocent.

I think you nailed it 100% !!!

Her full name is Fabienne Massaen

I agree memphis.

JA - if they are listed in the friends area then she has added them as friends.  That doesn't mean anything more than if you asked to be added to her friends list and she added you.  But she did choose to add those people.  Anyone can post a comment unless the Zorpia member sets it so that only friends can comment, which it looks like Fabienne has done.

 :wink:

No fury has the feeling that hell will bring upon those that choose to lie

Hello CBB, I'm Sleuth :wink:


However, our detective Klaas rocks!!

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Hey San.

Each of those pics was chosen carefully. She put the shot with J up because, for one, she likes how her bod looks. She was sucking in that tummy, posing and hoping that that the shot turned out as good as it did.

Sorry Fab.

Yes they were chosen carefully.  She was on line when we were all discussing her this morning.

I also noticed that one of her friends has Joran's picture listed as friend (another blonde).

This site has reached world-wide prominence.  Red, Tom, Mrs and Klaasend should be proud of the achievement.

This blog is known around the world and the criminals seem to cringe, when we get on them!  It is like a tick on a dog’s neck.  They go round and round, but we get it!

Gotta run, but will check in this pm.


We got your number Fab.

Whatever this girl is to Joran, she lacks judgement.
A person would have to wonder what her parents are thinking ( she lives with them).
To have your picture everywhere with your real name, not because you did anything  for humanity, but because you are dating a suspect in a murder, rape and kidnapping case is not the kind of attention reasonable people would like or encourage.
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Weren't there pictures of Joran with other girls after Fab left Aruba ?
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She can read his history with women in the police statements.
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So, I guess she will be in the Globe/etc. next ?

Yes, but I'm sure Fab could care less.  The girls Joran was seen with are his long time friends/girlfriends.  Pimpettes so to speak.

ROFL Klaas!! I like when you speak "pimpease..."

LOL  :lol:  Maybe later if I get a chance I should do a thread with all the Pimpettes..ha ha ha :lol:

I know this is very disturbing but it needs to be investigated.

Joran kills a dog

Truck photographed in sloots driveway rumored to be dog food truck

Bloody matress found with dogs blood

Deepak came back with " 2 dogs"

Dog sex website linked to Jorans "girlfriend" in Netherlands

Were sounds Beth heard in background of phone call the sounds of "2 dogs"??


Why did this girl remove this link to dog sex site after it was posted about on Scared Monkeys Forum?


WTF is going on here?

wasnt there some sort of talk of "beastiality" earlier in this case?  WHat was that discussion about, how did it even come up?  I do not remember.

Blah - very odd but I can't allow my brain to think in that direction.  The dog killing by Joran was years ago.  The truck at the Sloots was a furniture company truck yet it's said they also can deliver dog food.  Who knows about the mattress.  The mattress was found way at the other end of the island, near Baby Beach and the refinery.  I'm thinking it's coincidence.

is there a dog in that platic bag in the Aru-bay video?

Joran has belt wrapped around boys thoat like a leash.

belt found in area cadaver dogs had solid "hit"

Good morning, everyone ~ what's up?

Has anyone head from None?

Hi monkeys...yes I am back and ready to roll.  Too bad you non dancers I am not giving up on this...anyway, I digress....

You are right the girl was posing for that photo and both she and Joran were well aware of it. Is that one of the photos taken by the girl named Celeste?  Makes me wonder how she knew just when to pose if it was all a casual thing...anyone get my drift???

if your going to get rid of a matress that was used for dispicable acts, you are going to get rid of it as far away from hom as possible.  That would be south end of island.

I haven't heard from None, but I am sure the family's grief is unbearable at this time.  Please remember them in your thoughts and prayers.  Also, if you don't mind return to the candle site and light another one.  She sees them and if it gives her strength in some small way then it has been worth the effort.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=None

Also notice how the 11 pics she had up this Am were either just of her or her and Joran.  You'd think she'd have a variety of pics up there, with assorted friends.

I realize she chose to have those "friends" listed on her page, but what I was wondering earlier was, if she really knew them and they were indeed friends.  Seems a high ratio or guys to girls on the page.  You wonder if any random guy sees her pic or has a connection to someone else and wants to chat online with her.

I agree that we will be seeing her in Globe or NE soon.

I wonder what her parents do that she is such a traveler?

Thanks for the reminder, Lalas.

I just went and looked, and some of the ones we lit the other day are almost burned out. It says they burn for 48 hours, so I lit a new one.

Odd....it posted twice!  Sorry about that.

Okay, who wants to answer my question?  Where is Jaimie from?  I know we have discussed it before.  Please if any monkey has this info still I would like to know it once more, I have lost mine when I cleaned out some of my files.  I guess I deleted instead of saved. :roll:

From Jaimie's statement:

Jaime Alberto CARRASQUILIA CACERES, born in Columbia on April 25 1985, E.P.I.(Sector Economico) and living xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on Aruba.

I was kinda wondering is we were getting together for flowers or anything, Lalas...

I went  to the candle site and lit another one. It is nice to see names that I recognize from here. A very hearfelt thing to do and to look at.

I think Klaas could tell us when she returns.  I know we have talked about it with Mrs. Red.  Help me remember to ask when she gets back.  Does anyone else know?

Thank you for posting this link daily...  it is in these coming weeks that None will truly appreciate seeing the candles I think...

I told Cubbee I would email her if we do...  so ~ if I'm not here ~ would someone please email me?

signs-of-natalee@earthlink.net

Does anyone remember details about Jaime?  His parents?  Something beyond his statement?  Is this guy into the video making business?  Does anyone remember his tickle site info?

Columbia

Monkeys ~ I'm sorry that I have to be just lurking in the background ~ if anything comes up ~ please someone, email me...

I just have so much cleaning that has to be done by Tuesday ~ and I can only do so much each day especially because I'm working then at night...

Thanks.

signs-of-natalee@earthlink.net

Thanks Klaas.  Could someone mistake a Columbian connection with a Brazilian connection?  Anyone??

BTW Klaas, did you see my post about None regarding Katz question?

We don't have any information pertaining to Jaime being into the video business, only Freddy who is Jaime's best friend.

His tickle site has been down for some time but he had a myspace site up not long ago.  Having problems finding it right now though.  Will keep looking.  Thought I had it saved.

How old is Jaime??

~  How can you mend a broken heart? ~

How can a loser ever win?

drink alot of beer

How can a loser ever win?
Please help me mend...this broken heart... :wink:

~ Could you just slip away ~

I believe he's 20 or 21

I'm sad today!

Here we go, he is 21.  Here's his tickle site:

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=xUWmiCgYmZ3ZaGXk

I can see that.  Anything you'd like to discuss?  Or not.  It's okay either way.  To me, every day on the daisy side of the dirt is a great day.

Good Afternoon All ~

Egads..that surely would. :shock:

My Dad used to use that expression " This side of the dirt  ".
It was always used at a most inapppropriate time, but we all laughed at it anyway !  :o  :)  :)  :oops:

I'm glad I didn't see it...

Something has me a little racked.

Excellent!  Wonder how much she was paid to deliberately be seen in Aruba with Joran ?

I am a bit melancholly today as well.  Let's hang out together.

Blah, about your earlier comments, could rumors of a gun also play into that? As in, dog blood on a mattress?

Didn't someone say that she was listed in Joe T's filing ?
Anita was spoted in the Netherlands walking with a blondie.. Maybe he does have her as a girlfriend. Past or present. Says quite a bit about her that she is with a suspect in a murder case. No matter what face Joran puts on with her, he is still a suspect and his police statements say way too much about his treatment of women. In my younger days, this kind of a creep is not one that I would have been attracted to. In my older days, I would get a restraining order if this creep ever showed up at my door looking to take my girl out . ( or the doggie, if I currently had one )    
As far as comments on Zorpia, I think that you have to be a member.

 :lol:

Whatever her real connection to Joran is, she must really be a daredevil.

Well, as I've been pasting the old front page posts into notepad (what a frickin mess) so at least I can cut & paste if I can ever find anything....

an old post popped out -- and I thought I'd share :D



*we arent all whores

Comment by Koen | August 18, 2005, 6:55 pm

Or very low standards. Or no standards.
I liked the one about the doggie too !! !
Would anyone we know let Joran take our doggie for a walk ?

Is that from the SM front page?

If you think about it, the photos of her and Joran on the beach deliberately show off HER bod...as he isn't even in a swimsuit. She was hoping for a photoshoot, some way, somehow...it was all about her.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/memphi/jojo.jpg)

Hey JoJo, buddy, WAKE UP!
You're just a vehicle - a means to an end. That's all.

Hmmm...how does it feel to be used?  uh....ummm....uh... Never mind. I forgot.  :roll:


Instead of calling Fab, you should call Jenny.  011-1-800-Jenny20

Not the same Koen, trust me on this.

 :shock:

Thanks for that link, San.  The suffering shows in that man's face.  If anyone deserves answers, he does.  I pray he gets them.  He is a true hero.

Everyone's fine, thank you. Am still in Miami and will be here for a while, to do my books.
 
Joran is playing with fire and is going to get burned. He's become too visible again and acts as though he is convinced he cannot be arrested again. Let's wait and see what happens when everything is said and done.
 
How are you? How's your project coming?.

 :D

Thanks for the update Easy!

yes

I am so impressed.  I read through quite a bit of the messages and we often forget that behind all those lurkers are some equally concerned human beings.  Just because they don't chime in, doesn't mean they don't care.  There was a candle lit from a lurker from China.  That really touched me.

:lol:

I think it's great he continues to write with you.  It's a great friendship you two have developed.

I figured not.

But I'm always interested in the work of the 'misinformation campaign'. :D

In case you missed my post above, it's a different Koen.  Completely unrelated to the case.  Honest.

Edited to add, I think it was just a kid from the Netherlands putting in his 2 cents.

WOW Sharon.  Did anyone respond to him? ha.  Good find.

He is a friend!  He has been beatin down on the internet, but he is a good guy.

Satish June 11 statement:

My brother Deepak parked the car behind the former Ritsz building. After my brother had parked the car, the three of us walked to Carlos & Charlies. I saw that on the right side, when you walk into Carlos & Charlies, a group of Americans. I knew that they were Americans because they were talking in English.

Deepak June 11 statement:
We left Joran's place between 00:15 and 00:20 hours for "Carlos & Charlies". At that time my brother was driving. I was in the front seat and Joran was in the back. We arrived at "Carlos Si Charlie's” at approximately 00:30. My brother had parked the car on the parking lot behind "Carlos & Charlie's. We then walked in the direction of "Carlos & Charlies". In front of "Carlos & Charlie's there was a group of girls. Joran had noticed that these girls were also part of the group he met at the casino. Joran had greeted the girls and then we walked into "Carlos & Charlie's.

Joran June 9 statement:
After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.


These 3 statements are very interesting.  Since there was a great deal of pressure on the Kalpoes by this time, I think there is more truth in their statements than Joran's.  Who was driving the car? Where was Joran riding in the car?  Why are these 3 so confused about these simple details...there is a reason.  This should be cut and dried here.  So and so drove and parked the car.  So and so was in the front passenger seat.  Very telling.

Actually, there have been many candles lit by some of our former monkeys.  I have been impressed as well.  Even Debbie from BFN has been there.  So touching.

Actually it was the last post on the thread (the old front page could get long) so there were no answers.

But I doubted it was Koen -- as Klaas confirmed. Not to say he didn't post on the front page -- but I doubt he would use his real name.lol

I've just been on a mission ever since Klaas 'outed' WW. I like to track back to things we know were made up to see who started it.

Looking for all the people who lied to us  :evil:

A bit off what we are talking about, but this is a guy I would like to hear more from.
Bo Dietl. Would always want to be on his side, and not the other like the Sloots. Hope he is still on this case in any way shape or form.
http://www.beaudietl.com/page.php?id=67&PHPSESSID=2932c1032e56e54445929899566b06d7

About 6 months ago I went to Tripadvisor original posts and SM original posts... for same reason. My brain got fried after reading 2 mos. worth of stuff so I applaud your patience.

I remember WW and her antagonism.  (That's my polite version!)  What do you mean outted?

Deepak June 11:
When we got inside we walked to the bar. At the bar Joran talked to a boy I know by face only. He had bought a drink for him and the boy. The drink is called "Carribean Motherfxxxxx".

Joran June 9:
Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks.

I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151.
I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

Satish June 11:
We started walking again until we got to the bar. Joran had bought three Yard Whisky coke for us.


Let's see here..
unidentified boy's drink...$12.00
Joran, Satish, Deepak "yard" drinks... $36.00
two shots of Bacardi 151...$20.00

Good Heavens!!!  That's $68.00 from a 17 year old kid in high school!!!!!!
For someone that doesn't take any money from his gambling winnings, he sure does have some to throw around after midnight. And to think it was all done by a teenager that wasn't old enough to drive or drink, much less, buy all the drinks for everyone.  This is a pattern of behaviour if I ever saw one...20 times or more...I'd bet more.

Good Afternoon Monks!  Hope all is well...would you explain the bolded portion below re Klaas outing WW??  I musta missed it altogether!!  thanks

sharon...another good find for you, Thanks!!

Exactly, Lala's, that's what I keep saying and this was only a "short" night.  Can you imagine how much a planned one sets him back?

Hey Easy!  Thanks for this post!!!  The next time you write, please send him our love.

This little note has given me a lot of hope ~ it ain't over...

Ha Ha!

Thanks, Easy, for posting that.  I hope you are feeling stronger today.

Oh yeah, Easy ~ I meant to wish you the best on whatever project that you're working on that is mentioned in your last post...  but I forgot to tack it on before I posted...   :oops:

My Aunt lives in Boca Raton...  it's a nice place.

Bearly
You are beginning to see my point...smart fish!  :wink:

And thank you for sharing that with us, Beaner ~ yeah, it really is touching...

~ If you want to find a toy ~

Debbie is a beautiful soul...  And I am so glad that so many Monkeys were there for None.

Reading the J2K statements reminded me that one of the MB kids reported seeing J2K in Deepak's car during the evening before C&Cs.  (I've looked for this statement but haven't found it yet.)  I also remember Nadira's first interview with Greta saying that Joran called Deepak because he needed a lift; Satish went to pick up Deepak and then they went to pick up Joran.  This is very different from the other statements that they all went home, did homework, cleaned the car, ate dinner.  I'm thinking that Satish was driving because he picked up Deepak, then they picked up Joran and maybe went somewhere, did something, they don't want anyone to know between 10:00 pm and 12:30 am.  So they changed the story and Paulus didn't hear Deepak's loud car at midnight because he wasn't even there.

But Lala's, doesn't the house always come out the winner? If Joran gambles all the time, wouldn't statistics tell us that he would lose in the long run? Where are you going? The only thing I can think is that he 'earns' his money some other way.

 :?: What's up Easy?  Did she respond to you?

AHH!  :idea:

Bearly you are a smart little bear.

I have always seen that point, it's just that when I post it, no one responds.  (This is not a complaint, just an observation).  How can we trace his money?

(BTW, which point did you mean, the money he throws around or the "follow the money" part?)

Why is it so important to establish who was driving and who was seated where? Why would this be something to lie about?

I like him.

Would it have to do with premeditation? The driver is the "leader," he can say yea/or nay.

BBL, the natives are getting restless.   :D

Quote from lilpuma:
Reading the J2K statements reminded me that one of the MB kids reported seeing J2K in Deepak's car during the evening before C&Cs. (I've looked for this statement but haven't found it yet.) I also remember Nadira's first interview with Greta saying that Joran called Deepak because he needed a lift; Satish went to pick up Deepak and then they went to pick up Joran. This is very different from the other statements that they all went home, did homework, cleaned the car, ate dinner. I'm thinking that Satish was driving because he picked up Deepak, then they picked up Joran and maybe went somewhere, did something, they don't want anyone to know between 10:00 pm and 12:30 am. So they changed the story and Paulus didn't hear Deepak's loud car at midnight because he wasn't even there.

Thank you so much!!  I was thinking about that as you typed it.  I would really like that transcript again to read.  There is most likely more truth in her statements than we realize.  Somone was lying to momma...

It isn't really...just goes to the fact that they all knew more than they were willing to tell.  On the other hand, how could you not know who was driving the car?  Only one person can do that at a time...unless they stopped and switched drivers at some point before they got there.  Such as the Nadira tale of Satish picked up Deepak and then they picked up Joran.  I know this is confusing, but that is why I brought it up.  Who's story has the most truth in it?  What do you guys think?

I also think Joran is getting too confident.
Too visible in having a good time.
He had the parents who hired Joe T and who else pulls the strings for him. And WHY ?
I just hope that there are people monitoring him who are professional and never take their eyes away from him.
Like Bo. Hope he is still on the case.
Although didn't Joran go back to school in Holland recently ?

Yes she did.

 :D  :D  :D

I was wondering why the heck he would spend the summer in Miami.

The Caribbean breezes, similar to the tradewinds in Hawaii, always cool things off.

Here in Miami -- the breezes 'burn'. lol

I'm sure you tell your friend how much he is appreciated. But you can never tell him that too much.

Thanks Easy!

Are you referring to the game? Did the ALE know about the 20+ times and how it worked?

About the money...gambling, money laundering, drugs, spending money, payoffs, gambling...Joran has a side job that paid very well up this point.  There is money going or coming from somewhere or else he couldn't get away with just the small things like...gambling, drinking, etc.

Well, what did she say?  Did you ask her out??  ha ha :lol:

Someone in ALE knew all about this 20+ times.  Someone with a dirty hand...oops!  Sorry.  :wink:

Waving hi back to LilPuma!

Very interesting point.  If we can believe that Joran was picked up by his Father at 11pm at McDonalds, then the missing time would be shorter.  But it would be enough time to go cop some drugs for the evening.  :shock:

So Who Drives to C&C, And who Sits Where?

Lala'sMom writes: "These 3 statements are very interesting. Since there was a great deal of pressure on the Kalpoes by this time, I think there is more truth in their statements than Joran's. Who was driving the car? Where was Joran riding in the car? Why are these 3 so confused about these simple details...there is a reason. This should be cut and dried here. So and so drove and parked the car. So and so was in the front passenger seat. Very telling."

This is a great post and a critical observation and point.  All statements reporting the 3's arrival sequence to C&C sgould be reviewed w/ fine-tooth comb, including who picked up who, when and where.

The statements reporting who drove who to C&C all vary, significantly, citing different drivers and different seating within same car.  In fact, has it even been firmly established via corroborated testimony or other statement that all 3 arrived at C&C in same car, at same time?  Other than these three saying so, I don't believe it has.

Note deepak statement as cited here by Lala's and again note sequencing: Deepak puts Satish w/ car keys (as Satish is driver), so that deepak can say later he sat on ground waiting for jvds, satish, natalee to come out.  By calling satish in bar (missed call), satish comes out and gives deepak keys and staish walks back into to get jvds/Natalee.

Think about that.

deepak pulls satish away from critical action going on in bar: note NEITHER KALPOE will state they were there for shot drinking by jvds and Natalee, neither of them ACTUALLY WITNESS THIS EVENT, even though they refer to knowing that it happened.

It was at this point, almost surely, that Natalee was slipped a drug in a drink.  I also think quite possible that satish carried and potentially administered the drug.

Bearlyhere & SunnyinTX --

sorry for not answering. I've been in cut & paster mode -- and now I need to take care of the family stuff for a bit.

Klaas posted an old forum post where WW brought over a post from another 'friend' or on another forum. Someone saying she knew Nat and had been on the trip (I think) -- and that Nat had runaway before.

I think I have saved it -- it will have to wait awhile -- unless the galactic zookeeper can whip it out faster :D

Net net -- it was a lie and it was the beginning of the 'Natalee ran away' rumor :evil:

I think she even through in the haricut and dye job :evil:

________

I think they all all lying.
Deepak, if he was driving after C & C's is culpable. He's a grown up and if Joran wants to do something horrible and criminal, well Deepak could have tossed him out of the car. But then, Deepak isn't a man, he is a little boy looking for acceptance by the others and would go along with anything to get some status and acceptance from the group Joran belongs to. That's my take on him and Satish. And the Kalpoes too. They were also taken in by Paulus's status as a judge ( failed ). But before that, he held a high position in the government.
June 4 Saturday, they ALL went to a lawyer.
They weren' t told to tell the truth as we were led to believe, but to stick with the orginal story of the HI drop off.

agreed

 :shock:  Do tell.

Hello Hammer!
 I am honored that you are talking about my thoughts.  I have been racking my brain over these small details that seem to tell me so much about that night.  There is more truth in what is NOT said than what IS said.

OK, as a side note, in your mind, is Dirty Hand VDS?

Whoa!  :shock:
So it's very important for them to cover that time.
And didn't PVS originally say he picked sonny up at 4am? Wasn't this said in the beginning, clearly, and then he suddenly changed it to 11p?

In the ghetto

Spit it out Easy, what did she say?  :wink:

here is a link to dana's schedule for tomorrow.
http://st106.startlogic.com/~cbandtal/guests.htm
Jessica's Law and Clint van Zandt.
I really like Dana's show. Not sure if I will be able to listen live,
but there is always the pod cast.
Dana has been a great friend to this case.

Katgram
My belief is that Deepak does what he does with Joran, not because he wants to but because he HAS to.  Deepak and Satish are hiding something in their past and Joran knows all about it.  So does Poppa Sloot.

Gosh Lala'sMom -- you're on and I need to run :(

I saw a Shango post today -- (paraphrase) many Arawaks have dirtyhands.

All one word (if you've noticed, he writes it several different ways and I think they have different meanings).

I think that refers to the group of Arubans who are 'on the take'. This is in the area recently posted about -- 'the father can sing any song'....

And the posts about the driving -- Great! I could have sworn the driver to C&C changed between a few statements, but I never went back to confirm.

It's almost as if it didn't happen that way at all :?:

Or what's the difference if Satish or Deepak drove?

(sorry for this drive by -- I will read what I miss before I post again)

Memphis
Everyone thinks Dirty Hand is van der Straaten...even was alluded to in the Shango posts.  I however, do not think that, yet.  I think dirty hand is a reference to those in the know and those with the power.  Kind of like a catch-all phrase for several people, each with a specific task to do, but lumped together to describe an over all theme.  Okay, I know I digressed again...sorry.

I still think that more than being Joran's social friends, the Kalpoe brothers were the hired help, working to make extra money by driving, etc. Joran,etc. on these escapades which involved American tourist girls on their last night in Aruba.  It's like a mini-mob group.

Maybe that's why the Kalpoes were hired for these driving, etc. jobs.  They "couldn't refuse"...

I disagree.  Satish was friends with Koen and probably went to school with Koen.  Koen introduced Satish and Deepak to Joran.  Satish is seen with Joran, Freddy and the girl partying at Joran's house when he was released in September.  Deepak is the "third man out".  He owns the vehicle and may be the driver in most cases.  Satish is a friend.

Damn!

Joran June 9:
To your question as to who was driving the car and where we were sitting, I answer you the following. Deepak was driving the car, Satish was sitting next to him on the passenger seat. I was sitting on the backseat behind Deepak and Natalee was sitting behind Satish.

Obviously, a few drinks is a great memory refresher for Joran.  See how detailed he is with who was where this time.

O/T

Yesterday I was hacked and they destroyed my Natalee Holloway favorites file.

Here is a good site to check your computer to see if you've been hacked or are vulnerable to being hacked.  There are 3 FREE programs on the page.

http://servicecenter.antivirus.com/tm/core/en/services/

Well heck...I must not have been here that day....Who the heck is WW?

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This makes sooo much sense to me. It answers my questions as to why they would lie about who was where on arrival.

Actually it appears that Deepak and Satish are not in agreement about whether Satish went back out to the car after "missed call" or not.  Deepak says he did, but Satish doesn't mention it in his statement and the wording gives the impression he was with Joran and Natalee continuously.

Were there others outside waiting? Was there another car?

Mishy - WW = Wonderwoman.  She posted here for a long time.  She is the one who produced the Deepak emails.  

I discovered a couple months ago that it was WW, posting under the name of Mazrad on the front page of SM, that started the rumor about Natalee running away in Costa Rica.  I've always felt WW had some kind of connection to the suspects, not just Deepak.  Maybe even a connection to Michael Posner.  WW lives in Chicago area.

Satish June 11:
I sat down next to my brother. The girl got in through the back door on the right hand side of the car and sat down behind my brother. Joran was behind me in the car. The girl had at no point gotten acquainted with us, me and my brother. I cannot remember exactly how it went, but one this is certain, we made another round passing in front of Carlos & Charles.[/u]
Deepak June 11:
To your question whether Satish was introduced to the girl or whether he introduced himself, I can say the following. He did not introduce himself to the girl and also wasn't introduced to her. I had turned back and switched the lights on of my car. After that I turned around again and asked Joran in Papiamentu: "k&o nos ta hasi" (loosely translated by reporting officer to the “what are we going to do now”) I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”.[/i][/b] When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.
Joran June 9:
When we were sitting in the car Natalee did not speak with Deepak and Satish. Without asking me who Deepak and Satish were Natalee got into the car with them. I did tell Natalee that Deepak and Satish were my friends. I have to say that Natalee asked me if Deepak and Satish were rich people, because she was impressed by their car. We drove off the parking lot and Natalee saw that her friends and girlfriends were standing between Royal Plaza Mall and the bus stop. [i]We couldn't turn left so Deepak had to drive another around the front of Carlos & Charlies again.[/i][/b]
Deepak June 9:
I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name. I immediately forgot her name.

This is a critical point here also...why is it important that only Deepak mentions she said "hi".  That was on the first statement and later omitted on the others.  Are we to think she just got in a car and even after Joran told her these 2 guys were his friends she didn't speak to them?

Also, note that all 3 mention driving around the block twice.  Why?  What was the reason that was important?  So they could back up the story about her shouting out the window?  Or did she REALLY shout out that window for help and they had to explain it away somehow?  Was it a signal to the visibility team?  Remember, Simian asking why the "team" had not been on the beach?  Well, they were there, close anyway.  Deepak places them right where they should be.

Klass, you're right..I realize about the original Satish/Koen friendship connection, but something about the Trio's relationship by the time of Natalee's last night in Aruba says it's possible that by then, Freddy, Joran, Deepak, Satish, etc. had a regular little tourist video business scheme going and the Kalpoes were getting paid to do the driving, or whatever else. By then, it seems to have racheted up into a regular routine. The Kalpoes don't seem to be geting anything else out of it.

Yeah, for sure now, but I was speaking of before C & C's.
There is no way Deepak / Satish can cut the Dutch Boy loose now and tell the truth because Durch Boy will hang them out to dry. And Dutch Boy seems to belong to the Teflon Dutch Branch of Criminals Inc. of
Aruba.

Need to get some work done, so I'll be lurking for a bit and not posting  :wink:

I think that Deepak in his statements want us to know that Natalee was in the car of her own free will. She had the chance to get out and he drove back to where her friends were to let her out. But they were gone. Once the car had been spotted by people who knew Natalee he knew if anything happened ( a rape charge ), his car was in the mix.
That car was a one of a kind on Aruba. Plenty of folks knew who the car belonged to , who the frequent passengers were and what kind of stuff they got up to.

No, I meant he was the one in control of the car.  Joran can tell him what to do--drive here, drive there, but the final decision is the driver's.  He is the one who is steering the car.

Could a dirty "hand" be a dirty assistant?

thanks Sharon....hopefully either you or klaas can find it! I always thought WW was an AXX and full of poop...she was the one I originally told to EAT A BUG!! :wink: (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/2.gif)

Thanks, Sharon.

thanks Kat...yes he is a good friend....

Oh, Deepak was getting access to girls that a nerdy looking no social skills nothing going for him kinda guy could not do on his own. He doesn't seem to be a silver tounged devil when it comes to the ladies.

Dirtyhands like drugrunners or girlsnatchers.

quote="the big hammer"]So Who Drives to C&C, And who Sits Where?[/quote]


No reason to lie about who was driving unless they were hiding something. Circling C&C several times makes me think they were waiting for a second car to catch up. There may have been more "pimps" at the party that night.

WOW Sunfreak I am sorry to learn this...were those the only files that were destroyed?  Thanks for the link.

No reason to lie about who was driving unless they were hiding something. Circling C&C several times makes me think they were waiting for a second car to catch up. There may have been more "pimps" at the party that night.[/quote]
I agree. I believe they were waiting for Freddy, Koen, Sander & Jaime.

That was my thought too, Katz, access to girls.

No reason to lie about who was driving unless they were hiding something. Circling C&C several times makes me think they were waiting for a second car to catch up. There may have been more "pimps" at the party that night.[/quote]

Hi Spock good to see you....I think you might be correct...wasn't there something about a white car??

No reason to lie about who was driving unless they were hiding something. Circling C&C several times makes me think they were waiting for a second car to catch up. There may have been more "pimps" at the party that night.[/quote]
That could be Spock. Or they went somewhere to get them.
Listen, when I had wierd ears, I had surgery when I was 12.

Spock, can I ask you what is going on at BFN ? I had some porn in my PM there and it also had come to my home. When I posted about it today, I got some snarky comments from a poster. Then I was told that I should be reporting it somewhere else .
Debbie as usual was very kind and told me that the person who was the guilty party who sent me that PM had been banned. They were on it right away. have to give them credit there.
I almost felt as if I did something wrong. Other people told me how to fix it so that crap doesn't come to the home, but it left me very uneasy.

The forums there have become a battleground. I also have received the bad taste PMs. Not sure what can be done about it, they don't require a verifiable e-mail to sign up, so many people post and scoot. There is good breaking news there and some dedicated posters if one can survive the baiting. JMO.

Freddy and Koen seem like good guesses. Freddy has admitted to being called by Joran and asked to drive Joran to C&C. Could be he met them there.

Remember that very odd remark which came from Charles Croes in the Greta interview, where he says that he when he asks that group of kids parked at the beach who so & so was (he describes Deepak's car) and they reply: "Oh, that's Joran."  I still find that very curious that they associate Deepak's car with it being Joran...They must all know by then what the heck is going on with the car/Joran/tourists.  They don't say: "Oh, that's Deepak."  That's curious. It's as though Joran is the boss of the car and he has a hired driver.

Spock, thank you.
I agree it is a good blog and I have a tremendous amount of respect for the 99 % of the people who post there. I don't post there often, but I do read there as, like this blog, it is a good source of info.
And there are some good discussions by thinking people on both.
I wasn't horrified, but it was just the surprise of it. Considering it came from an inside ( although former ) source.

Not if he has hired his car out to Joran for extra money. He's in Joran's employ for those nights. Love of money seems to be one of Deepak's obsessions.

That could be Spock. Or they went somewhere to get them.
Listen, when I had wierd ears, I had surgery when I was 12.[/quote]

Or were they "convincing" her to go with them?  Did she yell out the window on the first pass or the second?

Whether or not she spoke to them could mean something, too.  Maybe the Kalpoes said she didn't say anything to them to make her look like a snob.  

...until Beth said Natalee thought she was going into a cab.

...at that point, they might want to start a lie that Natalee was talking to them so it would look like Natalee knew she wasn't climbing into a cab.

It's like a big game of chess.  Someone says something, then they make up a lie, then someone says something else, then they counter with another lie.  It does not seem to matter whether their lies contradict what they said earlier or contradict each other.

I think that car, well, do you remember Helen Lejuez, she mentioned how well known that car was in regards to girls. That was just before Freddy was picked up and Deepak and Satish were rearrested.
It might be my imagination, but it seems as if several people like the ALE knew what was going on ( ie the 20 x before, C & C's ) way before Natalee got these but chose to look the other way.

So true, but I think he was in whatever it was for the money. Pimps aren't in the pimp game for hugs and snuggles and to be popular...they do what they do for the CASH.  Maybe they enjoyed some sexual escapades because of Joran, but I think that money was their motivating elixir.

I see what you mean.  

Joran does "pay" him.  He gets him in for free and buys his drinks, and who knows what else.

Hi To Everyone, Just reading back a little and had some thoughts.  My kids would be shocked, they dont think I ever think!!!

If she is a citizen of the Netherlands, maybe she has very different ideas about sex and men.  I think that we have to keep in mind that different countries and different races have  very different views about sex. Remember, everyone is not as prudish as many of us Americans.  Even Canada which is only a skip and a hop for me has entirely different opinions about sex, relationships, etc.,  I just watched a documentary on the A&E chanel, all about pedophiles, and sex on the internet.  Shocking, yes.  Surprized, no.  As long as I dont get involved and my family doesn't get involved, I can just know that it is there and that it is disgusting to say the least.
Dont many tourists go to the Netherlands for the abundance of sex, and drugs, which is legal (?) in that country?  I believe that is pretty much what I have read.

Does Fionella, or whatever her name is, read here?  I bet she does.  As a matter of fact, I bet everyone of her friends at certain times read here.  She knows that she has been photographed and she probably loves the idea of seeing herself and Joran plastered all over the place.

I remember Helen but I don't remember her saying that about the car, but that makes sense.  I think there are MANY on Aruba in the general population who know PLENTY but are afraid to come forward.  I really think there is much more to Deepak's car than "fun times."  It's a business expense, in my opinion. The Pimp Business.

Hopefully Mr. Deepak will get sick of seeing the Dutch Boy with the girls , going off to school in the Netherlands, being on TV, being in the paper singing karaoke with his new friends, wearing nice clothes while Deepak is stuck in a rock and a hard place with no where to go.
Deepak put himself there, but " that lie was for YOU "  meaning Joran certainly cost the Kalpoes.

Deepak June 11 statement:
To your question how Natalee was that night in “Carlos & Charlies”, I can say the following. She danced beautifully, I had lied in my previous statement about her being unsteady on her feet when she stepped off the podium/stage. That was beside the truth. She had a steady walk. According to my opinion she was reasonably with it.

Now, how did Deepak know he had to change this part of his story?  Who told him that Natalee had to be reasonably sober to have consented to anything bad that happened to her?  Where was Deepak on June 11?

thanks ONO I have brought that up several times and gotten no response. First of all how does deepak even afford a car like that and then have all the audio and visual equipmenti in it....i don't believe someone CLERK is able to afford that considering the price of autos in the Caribbean.

Just as how does the Chief of Police Dompig afford a Mercedes SL 500.?  the only one on the island?

 :lol: Fionella....That's funny...I can't quite equate "prudishness" with the inborn instinct of self-preservation. Maybe she doesn't know danger yet?

many of us Americans. Even Canada which is only a skip and a hop for me has entirely different opinions about sex, relationships, etc.

I am in Canada and I don't think it is that much different.
Maybe it depends on your cultural background. And age and upbringing. There are so many different nationalities here that it is difficult to define Canadian and what we think. Every area and province is different. Quebec is very different and not just because of the language barrier, but becasue of the source of their culture.    
Me, I am prudish. Where does it come from ? The way I was raised and the people that raised me. And there was not so much coming in thru the airwaves. Spent alot of time at Sunday School.  That one gets a big laugh at my work. ! !

You would think...

Well, thanks Klaas! I knew WW was Wonder Woman and I remember her sarcasm well...but I didn't know about Mazrad or connections. Makes sense....thanks for the info... 8)

I have often wondered from the start who exactly put up the money for this vehicle or it's curious subsequent improvements/purpose........Paulus?

Drug runners, money lauderers and porn traffikers easily make enough money to have "pimp" cars.  I see them all the time in the good old USA.  Why would Aruba be any different?

The car was not new and didn't Deepak say he bought it and had it for a few years ? Deepak lives at home. Not many expenses at Mommy's.
And I guess he is stuck with living at Mommy's house because the only place he can go is ?? Surinam ?

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock: Didn't realize that....WOW

And whatever he was doing for extra cash before , if he was doing something seedy , would sure be curtailed by the attention.

Am I correct in saying his step father owns/runs a rental car agency??? Ok so stepdaddy helped him get the car...but a clerk doesn't make the money for all the upgraded stuff in there.....damn we are right back to the old saying 'Follow the Money"

Hey Easy.......sad song titles, feeling sad....now you are racked?  What the matta, mon bebe???  Funny I have been off feeling all day.  Just not up to my usual self....maybe its the cloudy day, or somthin"?

Well, time has passed and I have several things on the must do list. Have a good evening everyone.

I recently found this out myself and was totally floored..... :shock:  :shock:  :shock: the only one on the whole darn island!!!

Right.

see ya later Kat!

One would think, unless you think you are invincible.

He musta had it shipped in special then...

One would certainly think so :wink: ....think of the $$$$$$'s

Yep, that's another part of this missing link.  If I can find some of the early statements on this, it could be something we've overlooked.  Or, I could be wrong!   :cry:  :wink:  I looked again earlier, but my puter crashed.   :x

Kat_Gram, I know how shocked you must have been when that lewd stuff appeared on your screen.  Last weekend I was searching for childrens clothing called "rabbit skins".  Site after site, looking at colors and $$$$ and shipping.  At the click of a button, across my screen came the grossest, sickest animal, people sex stuff.  I tried to close it out, no luck.  I tried backing out, no luck......photo after photo......finally had DD come into room, had to finally shut the "puter off and start again.  What happens when a 7, 8, 10 or 12 year old is on line and is subjected to that filth?

This could be that Joran is known by people on the island - white, tall, Dutch, son of a Judge - whereas Deepak doesn't stand out.  So they'd associate the car with the the guy they know.

I think this is what is in Beth notes...she clearly wrote that he said 4AM...and then he changed his story.....but Beth took detained notes from the beginning...and she didn't make a mistake about the time :wink:

Nadira's interview with Greta....
NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER: They always come clean to me. You know, they are soft. They are not really scared of me, but I have them in line with everything. I have to know where they go, what time they come. You know, I keep controlling them, calling them, my cell always with me.

And then he start to tell me that, Mom, you know the girl that's missing. Maybe you guys read the paper and news and all those things. I said, Yes. And like, you know, I said, What do you know about this? And then he said that we give that girl a lift that night. So then I said, What, you know? Then he said, Don't be scared, Mom, that, We know we didn't do nothing. It's just a lift Joran asked us to give him and her, or something like that.
And I start to find out everything, and I said that, So what is it now? He said, Well, I think he went already to the police, or, like, investigation and those things, and maybe we will come over or ask you guys, and so, but we are telling you that it's just a lift. We don't know her at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know where your boys met up with Joran?

RAMIREZ: OK, I know that Deepak was working that day. And normally, he works, like, until 11: 30. Depends how busy is the place because it's one man running that place. If he's on that shift, he have to close.

VAN SUSTEREN: At the Internet cafe.

RAMIREZ: At the Internet cafe. So depends how if it's busy. If they paid down (ph) for some hours and they're not finished, then he just wait on them, like, it don't make any difference for 10 minutes on those things. So I assessed, like, maybe 11: 30. Maybe he's finished 11: 30. So I don't know. He told me that Joran called him and asked him that he need a lift.

VAN SUSTEREN: From the home to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know what he told him, but he just said that, Deepak I need a lift, if you can give me a lift or — and then maybe he asked him where or whatever. And why Satish is with him, because he don't go with his car to work. He love his car so much, that if it's a scratch, is a war (ph) in this house. And so he leave his car home. And like, his brother keep contacting him, What time you can pick me up, you know, like...

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak?

RAMIREZ: Yes. Or he know his time, like, five to 11: 00 or 10 to 11: 00, something like that, he comes out. And then he sit and wait in the car for his brother.

VAN SUSTEREN: So Deepak doesn't have the car at work. He needs a ride from Satish?

RAMIREZ: No, it's his car.

VAN SUSTEREN: But — but Satish...

RAMIREZ: He don't go with his car to work. Satish drop him and bring back his car home.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So Satish is at home with Deepak's car and goes to pick up...

RAMIREZ: Pick him up every night, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK.

RAMIREZ: So he went there automatically. Maybe his brother said that, yes, Joran asked me for a lift, or tat-tat-tat. I don't know. And then that's why the two were together to go.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in all likelihood, we don't know for sure, but they probably picked him up at his home and then went back to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know where they reach each other. He just said that he asked us a lift. So I don't know if they go home and pick him up or they go to Carlos and Charlie's. Those really small things I can't say exact what is it.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did Satish and/or Deepak say about Natalee Holloway? What did they say about her? What do they remember?

RAMIREZ: What you really mean, while she was in Aruba or what she said or...

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything. What do they know about her, or what do they remember from that night?

RAMIREZ: They don't know nothing about her. Only they know that she was with Joran, and he ask him a lift to bring her down by the hotel, that she have to drop her off, and seeing (ph) that Joran is with them, and he said, OK, it's fine. What he said when she went in the car, did her friends call her or something. And he said, I stopped my car, that if she want to go, it's fine. It's not that, yes, we forced her, or not we, she was with Joran. My son said that she didn't even introduce herself to them, like, hi, I'm Natalee or whatever. She didn't talk a word with my two sons.

And she was more like friend with Joran. My two sons were in front. Deepak was driving, the next one other side, and Joran was at the back with her. And he didn't say anything. I mean, he's a boy. I mean, if he have her like a girlfriend, he didn't interrupt. He just drive up, and then...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

Because their stories don't match.

I thought it had been established that the younger VDS boys were AVS in the NTLs on the 30th.  According to the statement made by PVS they were home, what's the deal?

SMISH ROCKS!  I thought the cafe closed earlier on Sunday, like 10ish, but thanks for the transcript.    Nadira can't confirm whether or not they went home after Deepak got off work or if they picked up Joran somewhere.  For a long time, I thought Satish was only with them because he picked up Deepak - which isn't true if they went home first.  Then there's the 4 am/11 pm discrepancy.  Hmmmmmm

Bearlyhere. I always found it interesting that Shango referred to "Dirty Hand" in different ways. And he r efers to them as different types -- Arawaks, Babylonians, etc. I think he is referring to more than one.

I think VanderStraaten is definitely intended as one. I think Oduber is represented by another 'spelling'.

Your thoughts on dirtyhands are just as possible as anything else.
My first thought was dirtyhands take in dirty money and return clean money :D

I caught an interesting show a few weeks ago -- the president and creator of Marvel comics was on (in the event you don't know, Marvel is where all the cute names that Shango uses are from - dice men, rave, house of rave, etc).

He was introducing a new comic 'series'. But he said that all of his characters, including super heroes, were based on real political figures. And the story lines were based on real political situations.

I thought that was an interesting comment. That Marvel is political in nature.

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Sharon and Klaasend,

Miami has a big Dutch population and lots of important people are part of this club..  http://www.dutchclub.com/   Its located in Miami and I wonder if you look at the pictures if you will recognized some of the families from Aruba...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html[/quote]

SMISH ROCKS!  I thought the cafe closed earlier on Sunday, like 10ish, but thanks for the transcript.    Nadira can't confirm whether or not they went home after Deepak got off work or if they picked up Joran somewhere.  For a long time, I thought Satish was only with them because he picked up Deepak - which isn't true if they went home first.  Then there's the 4 am/11 pm discrepancy.  Hmmmmmm[/quote]

LOL...{{{LilPuma}}}
I think from earlier pics of the internet cafe,a sign in the window said closed sunday nights at 10pm.
I remember in one of Joran's interviews he seemed a little surprised that Deepak brought Satish with him that night.I got the impression then that Joran didn't know Satish  that well.
Beth said Paulus had said he picked THEM up at 4am that next early moring.Then when Greta and Beth did that little mini interview with the van der Sloot's(after Paulus finally came out of hiding behind those bushes)Beth said in the interview that Paulus claimed he picked Joran up at McDonalds at 11pm that night.I could be wrong on some of this.
:)

Just as how does the Chief of Police Dompig afford a Mercedes SL 500.?  the only one on the island?[/quote]



ummmmmmmm......drug profits....like aruba mafia u know?
He got his sticky fingers in everbodys cookie jar. :wink:

Lots of overtime pay.

Terryd- I looked through several of the photo albums and didn't recognize anyone.  Sorry.

I didn't either but I thought I would throw it out there.. I know that they do come here a lot and I was thinking that the Dutch club would be a social event that they might go to..

I'm wondering if they ever show up at Ernesto's club?

Klaasend,

I was never one to go to the clubs on South Beach but I assume that everything goes in some of the clubs there..  Long waits and only if you know the right people can you get in.. Lot of the clubs are very sexual in nature and I guess I kinda like the bars that have peanuts shell on the floor.. I was at a wine tasting in Boca Raton at Boca Resort and had some lady asked if I would suck her toes if she put some grapes between them.. This scared me and this would of been mild to what I heard goes on in South Beach.. Nope I didn't take her up on it, I just laughed and ran away..  I heard that Jossie grandchild is going to college in Boca Raton.  I wonder if its Lynn University, very expensive.. If its Florida Atlantic, then its a state college..

Terry - maybe you could check out the Mynt Lounge for us  :lol:  Maybe Freddy is there working as a bartender now..ha ha :lol:

Hi terryd :D

dh is watching the dolphins, so I'll take a peak at the pics.

how are you during the hot as haides days of summer?

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Sharon,

I was telling them about a wine tasting event in Boca Raton and the Boca Raton Resort.. It allows the low class people to mingle with the plastic and rich people..  They actually bus you into the tasting.  I used to go every year with friends from IBM to people watch and it was pretty interesting.  If you get a chance you and your husband should go, Crown liquors puts it on and its once a year..

Justinsmama,

I am sooo happy for you. What a great answer and challenge! It's always best to know what it is and then you can go on from there.
           I am only on page 4 of reading this Thread. Have taught them in small town IN, Fairfax, Co VA, Sacto and over CA/world, public and private, rich areas and Inner City too and maybe been one of them as growing up but we probably didn't know all the buzz words then.
        Please send me your email addy via today2004@earthlink.net
Please put in a ref. in your subj line so won't' go into junk mail or computer limbo.
I went to your http but don't wish to register for any more sites... Am stickly close to my Monkey Friends and trying to cut down on my computer clutter.

Luv to all, IBE  

PS....I have a teacher friend who went through all of this.... she had to learn to be quite disciplined, detailed and patient (I thought she was always that before)... her son now is a computer expert! and does neat things for Our Country.

have to go soon....just caught repost re "danced w/ the Red cowboy"....from shango/simian....

my first thought is this s/s/ post is from someone YOUNG related to
the Marten family whom my bofriend and i also had dinner w/ at their home across from windsurfing area.  the family at least owns 1/2 of HI and owns or controlls/rents beach space to  all the beach businesses / water sports...etc...   also own Pelican Pier....it was there that ex and i met  a local hanging out by the boats while we were having lunch...we asked if he could hook us up w/ a little ganga... he  took us all over and to some really cool local spots....guys name was Valentino but went by "Chip".  He knew everyone. His family was running old aruban govt eons ago....his family now poor and him a crack addict.  nice guy tho..   at any rate...he knew everything going on on that beach....and everyone.  The Marten family cared for him alot...they paid for him to go to rehab in venezuela and as he was leaving b4 our vacation ended this is how we ended up invited to the Marten home for dinner.  It was a very special occasion. This family is pretty much behind the scenes..very wealthy...very nice...still...running the beaches ....  and I would not be surprised if one of the younger kids found the whole thing too interesting not to somehow want to let the cat out of the bag.

then again...maybe i am crazy.  lol

 



this has been on my mind since i saw post re "danced w/ red cowboy..."

Sharon, it looks like they made it really big now.. For $1500 a person you can have a VIP pass to the tasting..  

http://www.bocabacchanal.com/2007_tickets.asp

Ernesto's club is one with the velvet ropes terryd. :D

But the guy who pressed domestic disturbance charges against Ernesto (which were dropped because neither party appeared) works at another club in south beach without the velvet ropes. lol

So surreal.

Do we think Freddy is here these days, Klaas?

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I actually worked with some kids that did the club scene and I would listen to their stories..  Just say that these kids were all very plastic and all about looks..  They were always asking me for advice and I always gave them the wrong advice.. :D  :D  :D

I'm guessing he may be in Miami.  He's not showing up in any of the recent photos of the "pimps and pimpettes".  Neither Freddy or Deepak showed up.

I'll be on the lookout. :D

FOM -- what do you mean?

Maybe??  :lol:

Hey FOM. Thanks for the MJ updates. Seems like he needs a more assertive lawyer to get his case moving.

nothing...just the first thing that came mind... :shock:

Klass...my yellow pages arrived today..my ad is the best under massage....U ROCK...tytyttytytytytytytyty!!!!

nite monkeys....

That someone in that family is Shango?

I'm confused by 'Red'.

But I'm confused a lot :D

Have a nice night.

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Haven't heard of the Marten family in Aruba..will have to check that out.

Nadira interview with Greta:

RAMIREZ: OK, I know that Deepak was working that day. And normally, he works, like, until 11: 30. Depends how busy is the place because it's one man running that place. If he's on that shift, he have to close.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So Satish is at home with Deepak's car and goes to pick up...

RAMIREZ: Pick him up every night, yes.

RAMIREZ: I don't know where they reach each other. He just said that he asked us a lift. So I don't know if they go home and pick him up or they go to Carlos and Charlie's. Those really small things I can't say exact what is it.


This is why the statements of who was driving and where were they sitting is important.  Satish was driving to pick up Deepak.  Could Satish have been driving when they picked up Joran?  If Deepak didn't leave until around 11:30 and they went to get Joran, then there was no cleaning ants out of the car....that came later.  There was no showers and changing clothes.  The only thing logical here is the Taco Bell stop.  Where is Taco Bell in relation to the McDonald's where Joran was?  Maybe they were picking him up from the McDonald's. How does this fit in the timeline?  How much time is involved?  Intersting things to ponder.

Cool FOM, glad to be of help!

Sounds like a good possibility Lala'sMom.

But why?

And then the whole -- waited in Joran's room while he finished his homework...that's all bs too.

Why?

Or maybe they arrived separately from jvds.?


.

Good points LaLa's - But even if Satish did pick up Deepak at work..they went to Taco Bell and then straight to Joran's, wouldn't you think Deepak would take over driving once they left Joran's?  It is his car afterall.

I find it strange that Freddy is MIA.  I'm not surprised by Deepak missing because he is a little sneak and wimp.

Another good question I saw posed by one of our other monkeys is how does Deepak afford the Honda?  How much does it cost in Aruba?  Was it his outright?  Did he own it and was making payments?  Why, if he is so picky about his car (per Nadira) did he park in the back lot at Carlos and Charlies?  It could have been stolen or damaged way back there.  He didn't seem too fussy about it when he drove to the lighthouse.  Even though the road is paved (he references a paved road in one of his statements) Deepak knew it was rough.  Who really owns that Honda?  How much does Joran pay him to provide taxi service for the girls Joran picks up?  Why isn't Satish and Deepak upset about all the make-out stuff going on in the backseat of his car? :shock:  Why does he let them bring drinks in his car?  Maybe the car is provided for a reason?  Just thinking.

Does anyone know Jaime's dad's background?  His mother?  I am still looking for info on him.  Klaas?

Good for you Terry  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Exactly.  I'm not surprised about Deepak either.

Nope

I don't think Deepak is that picky about his car.  He said that because he was seen washing his car at 3:00 am and he has to provide some sort of alibi for washing his POS car.  If his car was all customized like they said it was it could cost a nice penny to do it.

Speaking of money in one statment Deepak says he has a job and gets allowance.  Then in another statment when they asked him if he had a bank account he would not answer the question because it did not pertain to the case or something like that.

Did someone make a large deposit Deepak's bank account that he doesn't want people to know.

I am thinking that after they left CnC with Natalee, they made a stop at whatever bar  to tell someone who worked there that they had a girl, drug administered and to meet up with them. They would have had to stop to do it since the person was working and could not get a phone call while on the job. That person/s could have said, I'll be off in 10 min, or whatever, then K2's car circles around and kills time waiting to meet up with car (white) that is going along with them to their destination. That car (white) is mentioned in one of their statements, in the event someone saw it. I think more than J and k2's were involved, just my opinion.

As far as I know, it was never said why they made that stop at a bar close to CnC's. I might have facts all wrong, but that is something I remembered. (I think!)

I also found it interesting in reading about the Ramsey case, that many pedophiles in the Netherlands are not brought to justice because they pay off judges and attorneys , as well as the victims...to drop the charges/cases against them. It was in one of the articles on the CNN site.

Let's see:

-Paulus' friends were the judges
-All the attorneys and prosecutors were working together
-Joran's past victim was harrassed/paid off to shut up and not testify against him

Yeah I would say that is right Paulus paid everyone off.

This sounds right on, Shell. At minimum, the circling around is drug related. I think they did go to another bar too, somebody admitted that.

I only disagree a little here.  Paulus doesn't have the money to pay all these people off...it was someone else that paid it for Paulus.

Hi Monkeys...

Red and I were on a little field trip...out enjoying a museum... and for Katz  - they had a Rosary with 1,000,000 prayers...

and Lala's I am so sorry that I was inadquate to Shango Tango with you... but I did learn some info...

as for PVDS not having money... I thought they weren't as poor as pretended... didn't he stop the highway from going through his property.. and doesn't he own property in the Netherlands and Aruba?  I don't think they are as poor as they lead us to believe... did y'all notice Anita's new "face" on the last interview ?

As far as i can tell, none of the statements that we have so far mentions the "other bar".  I remember somebody (Kock?) stating it. Am i wrong? Is the "other bar" just a rumor?

I think Paulus is loaded.

Remember Joran's statement when he said that his family didn't have money and then he said Natalee lived on a plantation and was rich.  Just reverse what Joran says and that is the truth.  We all know the Twitty/Holloways aren't rich it's the Sloots who have money.

I remember a poster by the name of Ting saying the Sloots came from old money.

Hi, all...

Interesting post under the MEP story on FP... #29.  Wonder if Carpe or J4N have some inside information about some kind of movement in the case??

I think that maybe (?) they mentioned it in the back seat statements... or is it mentioned in one of the interviews? maybe the Skeeter's tape?

I do completely believe the Skeeter's tapes... they need to be added to all of this... and I don't mean some obscure transcripts from the ALE released tapes....

Can you bring it in here?

I do not know how to bring in a post from FP.  Sorry.  Guess I need some instruction :oops:

well maybe if we ask the marlevous Klassend ... she might indulge us... I don't know how either.. every time I try... I fail

Here is an interesting link about the Netherlands and trafficking.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/netherl.htm

Lexie... Klaasend will bring it in... which post? and where?

Call 'em The PIMPLES and PIMPLETTES.

Lexie - Under what topic on the front page is this #29 of Carpes?

Thanks San... that was interesting..

17 hour days?  that sounds like slave labor to me...

It is under the MEP story on FP.... Sort of a cryptic notice to the perps.

I just read... the MEP post...

I have seen several FP posters "call out" J2K & Paulus ... but just in general.  This one mentioned next week.... just thought it was interesting and wanted to know if the poster might have some inside info.

Is this it?

29. PAULUS, JORAN, AND KALPOES:
If you can read this, wherever you are on this planet tonight… I say to you REST WELL BOYS. Considering what I heard will happen with the case in the upcoming week… you are gonna need
every {{edit}}
wink of it!!!  
-J4N-
Natalee, may be gone… but she is
definitely not forgotten!
http://tinyurl.com/mz4cr
Comment by Carpe Noctem | August 18, 2006, 9:41 pm

Lexie - this one?


PAULUS, JORAN, AND KALPOES:

If you can read this, wherever you are on this planet tonight… I say to you REST WELL BOYS. Considering what
I heard will happen with the case in the upcoming week… you are gonna need
every {{edit}}
wink of it!!!  

-J4N-

Natalee, may be gone… but she is
definitely not forgotten!

http://tinyurl.com/mz4cr

Comment by Carpe Noctem | August 18, 2006, 9:41 pm

oops :oops:  I typed inside the quote.  But that is the one.

Oh... I hope Carpe Noctem is right... I hope they are about to get some get up and go... for these perps... I mean pimps... Uh... perps?

San.. thanks... you and Klaasend really ROCK[/b]>....

 :lol: That's OK it happens all the time.

I hope that Carpe is correct and that there may be some positive movement in the case soon.   After the comments from Easy's friend posted today,  can we hope?

thanks, Klaas.  You always come though! :lol:

* that's THROUGH

My fingers must think it is bedtime!  LOL   :lol:

Thanks mrs. red. I'll look around. I checked the WorldJOURNIER timeline(my fav) and it is down. I hope all that info is not lost.

Maybe Freddie Is still in KIA with Bubba for Child porn

Igsigis... I tend to think that someone will have that saved... I don't but I bet somebody does... so I think you can count on it being somewhere...

Ok.. I am admitting to lameness tonight... what was said?  I didn't read back just posted ...

It's The Pimpled Pimping Perps.

What is up with the tiny url link on that post you guys?  It shows something about a corpse found near the Marriott water basin.... Is this new?

i clicked on the url...what is that a pic of...the garbage bag?
bandaid on a finger?
is this for real??
hey monkeys!

what does carpe noctem mean? :roll:

The comment to Easy was just that Joran was becoming too visible and acting like he was home free, and that we should wait and see how this all plays out. (paraphrased)

Carpe Noctem has been doing a lot of photo analysis of the Chicago Videos.  I do not always see what he sees in the pics.  I was just interested in what people thought of the comment made there, not the photos.

"seize the night"

Hi thecuz...

Igs - did you check out the link in Carpe's post?  What do you think about it?  Eerie.

The original source for the "other bar" rumor is a Birmingham News article very early in the case that said according to Satish's lawyer they briefly stopped at another bar a block away.  However that is not in Satish's statements.  My theory is that was a garbled version of the stop a block away after she shouted at her friends, which woudl have been right in front of teh Iguana Joe's bar.  

There was also an NE article which said Joran told K. Pederson that before going to the beach they stopped somewhere to get drinks.  There's a scanned copy of the article avaible online but the print is too small to read, maybe someone can enlarge it.

hello igsigs!
any thoughts or insights here?

Anyone other than Cuz and I think this is strange?  (from Carpe's post)

http://tinyurl.com/mz4cr

I am hoping that easy's friend is right.. that he isn't home free...

Looks human to me Frijole. Amazing work on that photo by Carpe.

As for his words, it does give me hope. But how many times can we hear that something is going to happen 'this week'?

well I have never seen those before!  I don't know what to think...

Not strange for Carpe - I don't always see what he sees either, but he puts alot of work into them.

Thanks for replying! ha.

I was just surprised that all the people that read Carpe's post from the front page and commented.... but no one mentioned the link.  Pretty freaky.

Yeah - I won't get my hopes up.  But it looked like he might know something... one can only hope.  Sigh.

Ok... two questions.. why would Satish's lawyer pony this up when Satish didn't?

and are we sure the NE article is accurate?

Thanks Klaas - I need to check out the FP more often... I kind of forget about it.

If you read FP, you will find he has posted hundreds of views of the bag found in near the Marriott Beach.  He posts links to his photobucket that contains all kinds of pics he has enlarged and enhanced from the Chicago videos, in addition to the shots of the plastic bag.  Some are very interesting, some very strange.

Thank Shizaru. I was hoping you would swoop down and clear that up.

And your timeline is primo! Saves me from rereading those statements every time i get a hairbrained idea :arrow:

I have a lot of NE articles.  Can you give me an approximate month that the article was in.  If it was very early on I might not have it.

ohh... don't let Red hear that... he will be sad... :D  :shock:

I read his articles - not the comments below it.  There are some smart folks out there too... I just forget to look.

I probably already have it in .jpg.  Just need to know the approx date or the headlines of the article.

My questions exactly...also, I find it very odd that the car is kept virtually sequestered EXCEPT for the nightly pimp missions...almost as if that is the actual true purpose for that car...I don't think it has anything to do with Deepak being so micro-managing regarding it's care, either ...I say this because I thought that Nadira was way too insistant that Deepak hovered over his car.....she said that once too often.  The only time the car is taken out is supposedly by Satish in his pickup and delivery of Deepak to and from his work.  Either Deepak isn't supposed to be driving (maybe that's why he freaked when he saw the police regarding the silly seatbelt story)...or that really is the official pimpmobile.

Carpe, Driving Miss Daisy, and Grande all post regularly on FP, and have some VERY interesting posts.  I check daily to be sure I don't miss their insights.   :lol:

same here beaner...i always read red and toms editorials...just don't look at the comments....thanks for everybody bringing imortant info here....it is much appreciated!

Oh... I do that myself... and it's not because I don't think they have a lot to say... I know Driving Miss Daisy and Miss underestimated and Maggie are interesting ... along with Carpe... whew.. I need to get out there more acutally....

You are a smart monkey!  I'll start doing it too...

Lexie - I agree  :wink:

True, and interestingly enough - they only mention Jamie's car being the pimp mobile.... so I wonder is they didn't have several backseatbangers....

Thanks, Mrs. Red.  I forgot to include Miss Underestimated.

Hey Cuz... good to see you...

and the FP does have some really interesting info from the posters... I particulary do like to see what Driving Miss Daisy and Maggie and Miss Underestimated.. have to say...

DMD really calls out Freddy....

I guess I read there more than I really realized :shock:

I am a smart monkey!!!  LOL  Sometimes I just lurk because there is nothing to add to the brillant conversation of the rest of the monkeys. :lol:  But I do read FP and cage everyday.

New Front Page Post:

Joran Van der Sloot’s Poolside/Beach Mystery Blonde Identified - FABIENNE MASSAEN

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/08/19/joran-van-der-sloots-poolsidebeach-mystery-blonde-identified-fabienne-massaen/


Questions have been asked, who is she, who would want to be seen with Joran?  
 
As it turns out the answer was in Joe Tacopino’s list of character witnesses for Joran.  That’s correct … Joran Van der Sloot character witness? An oxymoron to say the least.

(Nice job Klaasend  :D )

Thanks Red!  (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/yellow_face_wink_sm_clr_26042.gif)

evening mrs red! i really depend on this thread to show me important new info....i am grateful to all the posters who spend so much time and effort in looking for any hidden clue!

freddy....he sure is mentioned a lot in all those statements...yep..he has a big part in all of this in my opinion

You are a smart monkey!  I'll start doing it too...[/quote]

I am a smart monkey!!!  LOL  Sometimes I just lurk because there is nothing to add to the brillant conversation of the rest of the monkeys. :lol:  But I do read FP and cage everyday.[/quote]

THAT IS SUPPOSED TO READ :  I AM A SMART MONKEY ? ? ? ? ?

I may have to give up and go to bed!   :lol:  :lol:

Yeah Klaas, that was a really good find.... Good detective work.  Way to get the SCOOP.   :wink:

I am a smart monkey!!!  LOL  Sometimes I just lurk because there is nothing to add to the brillant conversation of the rest of the monkeys. :lol:  But I do read FP and cage everyday.[/quote]

THAT IS SUPPOSED TO READ :  I AM A SMART MONKEY ? ? ? ? ?

I may have to give up and go to bed!   :lol:  :lol:[/quote]

Don't worry about it!!! I meant it as a compliment... take it!   :lol:

Lexie... you are a smart monkey....

Cuz... I totally agree with you... and I know San does too...

I hate to leave such wonderful company... but I have got to get to bed... I tried to stay up last night and after all that caffine.. I got NO sleep... and

KLAASEND... YOU ROCK... that was great INFO and discovery!!

Love and hugs to you all Monkeys....

Keep the Faith...now more than ever we need to keep pressing forward!

nite mrs red....no caffeine after 6 is my motto :wink:

Nite.. actually I drink 2 cups of coffee a day..and then no more... but I promised Lala's I would try to learn /keep up.... and i did myself In!

K.. it's the end of one of my favorite movies of all times...

A Time to Kill... so I am really outta here... !!  Nite y'all!

Nite Mrs. Red :lol:

It was at the end of September

THAT IS SUPPOSED TO READ :  I AM A SMART MONKEY ? ? ? ? ?

I may have to give up and go to bed!   :lol:  :lol:[/quote]

Don't worry about it!!! I meant it as a compliment... take it!   :lol:[/quote]
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Thanks ...  I did take it as a compliment.... I just don't see myself that way.  I read more than post.  Have been here since the beginning, when we were ALL on the FP.   :lol: I live in the town where Natalee grew up before moving to Mt Brook.  I did not know her, she is younger than my daughters, but am always running into people that did know her or who knew Dave and Beth.  I am amazed at what the individual and collective monkey minds have brought to discussions here.  Top that off with Red, Tom and Klaas, and what a group this is!!!  That is why I will be here until there is some resolution for Natalee's family.

Well, the late shift is late and I am getting sleepy.  I danced too much last night.  Hugs to Nemo (that is a dog for all you newbies). :wink:

Nice to meet you and glad to know you will help us to the end.  And we will figure this out!

Shizaru - sorry but I can't find it.  I thought for sure I had it.

I have the article where Joran spoke to the NE reporter Kristina Pedersen from October 10th.  I just read it and I didn't see anything in there where he says they stopped somewhere to get drinks.

Well he certainly has a long list of character witnesses.
Sasha Path is that what her name is ? From the bparty pix ?

Klaas and Red, thanks for the Fabienne article and photos.  As usual, great work!!  I always read the FP but usually not the comments.  Looks like I've been missing out as a result.  Will try to read all of it.

nite

tidycat

In fact that's the article where Joran claims the following:

"He said Natalee then asked him, Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay," Kristina added.

In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home - not to the beach.  Kristina said: "They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.

I read about the stopping somewhere, but do not know where.
Choose a Name comes to mind.

Thanks San.  He tells so many lies I don't know what to believe any more.

Klaas,
I sent you an email...just something I ran across today.
 :wink:

Klaas I can scan the article and sent it to you.  I never scanned this particular article it was before I got my scanner at home and I remember typing most of it and posting it on the forum :shock:   What was I thinking :lol:

Going to bed monkeys...but just wanted to pop in and say hi....Carpe posted another pic on the FP http://tinyurl.com/oempu which shows something in between the rocks, I think....

Night all!!

Just thoughts of mine:

IMO=You could hold on to your info for a long time if you wished to live to a ripe old age


Great Peaches... a sense a humor means you are feeling better? You seems to have humor even in "off" days tho. Thanks.


When the MSM was announcing the arrest or info about the 3 a reported said Joran was a drug dealer. This statement was very early on and I don't know if it was from Geraldo or not Klaas????

Some say they are just "doing a drive=by" here. I cringe each time they say that! Where I live they are serious.

Just a gut level feeling.. no reason known.. just this case will be solved. Some BINGOs coming up.Same kind of feeling when online here when the annoc. about Mr. None but this is a positive "gut feeling"

Food for thought: in the JonBenet case it is rumored that the murderer put a Santa pillow on her bed... do they always leave or keep trophies?

It gives me more "heads-up" that was told by Joran's mom to Greta about all the details of the panties

where are the records about those? or did they "just disappear" too. Wouldn't the ALA get them as evicence... Oh I forgot, they had 10 days to launder.

I read all of the 400 posts on the Front Page when Shango first came on.. see I thought he was on a SM Thread... but it was the Code Talkers de-coding that was here... anyway...  Elaine sure talks about areas of the rocks. et al. Very interesting.

Keep up the good work Monkeys.

Actually, I think I have it or at least some of it.  I think I bought it and scanned it myself.  I was looking for the bar information and couldn't find it.  Don't worry about it San..thanks anyway.

By the way, if you are having problems with the forum being sluggish you aren't the only one!  It's acting up.

The initial reports from the family and the media where that Natalee was last seen leaving CnC in the company of a local drug dealer.  I don't know if Geraldo also reported that.  I know Arbeej posted that on the Tripadvisor forum on June 1, 2005.

Thanks Klaas.  I am having problems and I'm calling it a night.

Have a good night.

Klaas, I didn't quite make it to bed like I said I was going too.  The little guy needs some fluids so I am trying to talk him into some juice.  

Did you see my email yet?

Anidac - yes I did, very cute!  :lol:

Very interresting front page post just now by poster 10061906:

I have been reading SM postings while away and unfortunately there is really nothing really new that I could possibly add except perhaps the following. This is assuming that Deepak’s testimony (on SM)is truthful and accurate and thus would eliminate Deepak and Satish from being charged with Natalee’s disappearance.
On the evening of May 29th, 2005, Joran and Paulus left the Excelsior and they went home together. They may have discussed Natalee. If, and it is a big if they could get Natalee, they had a prearranged place to meet later. Deepak picked up Joran and later Natalee at C & C’s. I still do not know why Deepak volunteered to take Joran and then pick up Natalee at C n C’s if there was nothing in it for him and his brother; unless Joran offered to pay them. After driving around they came to the road that Joran asked Deepak to stop, both Natalee and Joran left the car. (He was never asked to show which street.) (See Deepak’s testimony) Joran and Natalee walked down the road towards the beach and waiting for them is Joran’s father. (He had to remain unseen from any witnesses.) They get her into PVDS’s car. They then went back to the Van Der Sloot compound. At some point in time she is left alone and manages an abbreviated phone call. After that fiasco she is restrained. Imaginations can run unabated as to what may have taken place. She may have fallen on the rocks around the swimming pool. She could have choked from being gagged. She may have been turned over as payment for gambling debts.
I have been of the opinion that she was buried and latter cremated. However; in view of what one poster has stated concerning his sister remote possibility. She, Natalee may have eventually been placed in the landfill. After all there was a witness. Later the area was covered over and set fire before being fully investigated.
Based upon Deepak’s testimony at that point in time May 30th, 2005, the K2’s knew nothing of PVDS’s involvement, what happened to Natalee and where she may be.
Other than this as a possible explanation, I can’t fitQuido, Geoffery and others fit into this puzzle even though they are still considered suspects. I stated before it may have been misogamists’ revenge. I’m just trying to make it as simple as possible. I have nothing more to speculate. I have no idea why Paulus continues to pay the K2’s legal fees except to spy and be able to know first hand what going on with the brothers.
I also don’t know how Van der Sloot, Van der Straaten, Dennis Jacobs and Williem von Cromvoirt are involved; but they are all associated either by friendship and being in the legal system in Aruba and the Netherlands.
No matter what I have speculated in the past I now believe the whole affair was a father and son operation with a coverup.
They did not have to put Natalee’s family through over a year of hell. If they can lie this much now a lie as to what happened to Natalee and supply her body could have been done last year.

PS I hope Fabienne is smart enough not to be alone with PVDS when Anita is not around

Posted by Grande on the front page, the almost complete photo list of Joran's character witnesses:

CHARACTER WITNESSES…

http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg

Anidac ~ Hi ~ what's up?  How is the little one who you brought to the ER last night ~ you guys have been in my prayers...

I was about to leave for the night and saw your post.  I think Anidac has gone to bed.  Her grandson is OK.  Seems he has the flu and and kindof a long story, he was left out in the sun too long on a hot day with the flu by his father who had him for the day.

Goodnight Katz!

Those character witnesses posted on the FP... doesn't Fabienne stick out ?
The title of the montage should be  Bad Company.
The two one the end, look like guys whose pix are in the Post Office... FBI Most Wanted .  
Or Most Unwanted as Friends.  :lol:  :lol:

Kat_Gram...

Here is the link to the front page of the "Portfolio of Character Witnesses" I am preparing > http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg (The individual profiles of each will be provided asap)

Klaasend and I have been looking for web activity on Caro Croes with no luck to date.  Multiple names have been either mispelled or an alias was used.  I spent a week trying to locate 19 of them.  Klaasend found Fabienne and to everyones surprise linked Fabienne to Joran in the recent pimp 'reunion' in Aruba.  

I have a very interesting email from one of the 21 witnesses!  I also have an ongoing discussion with another! Let's try and keep that on the down low for the time being however.  I would advise everyone to not repost that particular detail anywhere other than here for the time being.  

I will post the details of the dialouge I have had with these 2 as soon as I am certain I have exhausted the potential for more communication.

Ok, I read your post on Guido. He might have been left out because he was named a suspect in February. Plus, he has one of the best lawyers in Europe representing him. Other suspects in a murder case do not make good character witnesses.

List of known Tickle sites for the 21 character witnesses...

Jaime Carisquilla   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=CqHOEUBMNl4cqyqu
Michael Dompig   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=.6iucirt.2TMYgSG
Taylor Escobedo   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=J.hbnScSwliAdmCl
Koen Gottenbos   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=cRESLtgdmFzyeTNd
Sander Gottenbos   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=-NZ_ow.j5rsDnVj8
Melody Granadillo   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ZtQjWH-8ggt2lKin
Aline Hibbert   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=fl-tVEWN4WYU9ZZB
Kawish Misier
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=fccwevYGEFckQ.D.
Sasha Ridpath
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=bZADrC2PqYY8IhOH
Andre Santos
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=bngDSqBp3tu6q8fX
Arthur Santos
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ZqEAa9qKxy1iVUQ7
Freddy Zedan
http://profile.tickle.com/Cj6EbUxs1Bwouc5i
Alexsander Zievinger   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=sHmzJDkx5VZgCKzj

I will post the known myspace and  Zorpia sites tomorrow.  Perhaps we can keep this list and see what it evolves into.  

Reach out to them, who knows what they might say  :wink:

Are you sure Michael Dompig is one??  I have it as Doming

http://tinyurl.com/r4v4h

Klaas --

From your post #54 -- MEP article -- responding to 'bunchodamnrats'


Do you know where this picture/collage came from?

Doesn't it look like a collage put together from pieces of comic books :?:

Maybe 'Marvel' comic books :shock:

I couldn't find it on the dj's zorpia site -- but I admit I try not to spend much time on the tickle/myspace/zorpia stuff


(btw -- I usually try to catch up on the FP posts before coming into the forum to catch up. some very interesting posts. and for the few trolls left -- it's a fun game of mine to figure out what the old 'nic' was :D )

And look at what one of the little Character Witnesses is holding in his hand.  Is this is the drink of choice when drugging people.

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San

Saw that right after the George Smith case and thought the same thing............

Oh my goodness, Klaas....  Thank you for answering!  I'm really glad that he's ok.

From MF on FOB

Posted: Sun Aug 20th, 2006 06:14 am   Quote     Reply  
 
lagadishi brabo wrote:
MF...is this true???


The search for he house itself was denied by the judge.

Many reasons were quoted, but the most important is that it would be impossible to have someone in the house, without anyone in the house knowing that (PvdS and sons). Also it could not be proved that Joran went to his apartment with Natalee. So even that (Which was approved to be search by the ALE, the FBI and Dutch forensics) did not turn up anything, there would be no logical reason to search the house.

I hope that HMI do release all the documents and interviews and interrogation in this case, to show that Beth and entourage just exaggerated everything for publicity. Not just the ones that Beth and her lawyer used to start a case in New York.


However the main computer was allowed to be taken for investigation and other interviews from the kids and opinions of experts, convinced the judge that it was not necesarry to search the main house.

IMO, they never thought that Natalee was at the house. They said that just to get some people's reaction, which they never got.

Police work 101 you search the house of the prime suspect.  They never found anything because it all disappeared into the big black hole in Aruba.

Yes release all the documents that have been edited by the police chief Van der Straaten to save his best friend and his son.

The judge took the word of PIMP's over prosecutor just goes to show how corrupt he is.

In my opinion if they want the documents released they should release the videos that go with them go with them.  I don't really want to see the interviews of the character witnesses.

MF's view appears to be Sloot-Skewed.

Exactly.

Always.  But at least he admits the house was never searched.  Interesting on who they were worried would be awakened in the main house since Val was on line at 3am.....hmmmmm...

Since the "method" was to turn them loose and "track" them for ten days...I would like to see the data of how many meetings with lawyers, police chiefs, close friends and ATA members the PIMPS were involved in.

I went to the Tickle site of the first guy in the list with the Goofy hat.
He is mr carlo n charlies... who hoo ..
Some one called Mr. Under called Klass a bad word on the FP...
teacher teacher  my hand is up   !   waving... a very nasty bad word

Yea, I think Red let that one slip through by mistake..I've deleted it now.  Mr. Under was posting comments like those right and left last night.

she must be lurking around and reading  :twisted:

Thank you... seems that someone is really mad.
How did you see my waving hand ? Spying on me Klass ? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

OR

One of her "friends".  And I don't mean Easy.

I would like to see if they tracked Paulus and who he met with.   Oh I forgot he was busy meeting with the people who were in charge of the tracking (Jan Van der Straaten, Rudy Croes).

Now that's funny.

I bet that person made 20-30 comments late last night.  All very similar in content  :lol:  We have 2 sitting in the moderation cue right now so Red can permently ban him/her.

Klaasend wrote:

Hell, if she was even smarter than a "rock" she wouldn't be with Frankensloot even if Anita WAS there.

He can do NO wrong......in her eyes.    JMHO

There is not doubt she was lurking and reading yesterday.  She went from switching pictures to deleting them.

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.  I don't feel bad for this girl she knows what she was getting into when she posted that photo on her site.

Klaas, on an OT question.  I can't seem to upload my silly little "Wizard's Hat" avatar to my profile, yet I see others have succeeded.

I was up pretty late, didn't see that.. can't even get a wink of sleep , eh Klass ?

San wrote:

Nor do I San, she reminds me of those women who marry convicted murderers sitting on Death Row.  They get off on the "ultimate bad boy" thrill, knowing they are immune from harm.

#1 - It needs to be in photobucket
#2 - You need to copy and paste the url without the [img] tags and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.  That's the only way it's working right now.

If you don't have photobucket let me know and I'll find your avatar for you and post the link.

Klaasend wrote:

Would appreciate THAT, Klaas.  But just out of curiosity, how do I set up a "photobucket" account, and what are the benefits, etc.  Is there a cost?

She could have received alot of hits on her Zorpia site, which she did not take down.
She was preapred to be a " witness " for Joran and she must have known how much negative attention her presence in a courtroom would have
caused. Her name is in a public court document. She allowed it to be put there. I am not going to slander her , but my question is why would you want to do that to yourself ?

will never happen....
they thought this would go away...

they did not search the house because they did not want to find anything.

no evidence-no crime

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Copy the link below and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/houdini.jpg

There is no charge for photobucket all you have to do is sign up.  The benefit is the ability to post photos and documents you have on your PC in the forum.  You just upload them into photobucket.  Here is the website:

www.photobucket.com

Poor Medleyrelay - she can't believe that it's true the main house was never searched.  You see Anita told her it was... :wink:

Medleyrelay wrote:

Well gee I guess I am confused -- becuz they did search the main house - all but the kids bedrooms - so what does this mean -- the judge deniged it but they did it anyways?? sometimes the more i learn the less i understand????

I'm "back in business"................thanks Klaas. :lol:

ty Klass...got photbicket..... :shock:  :shock:  :shock: LOL

Cool - until you figure it out, here is your avatar:

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Copy the url below and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars:

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