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Maybe now that it's closed, the truth will finally come out.

Msmaple..that has crossed my mind also. I hope with all my heart they find Natalee and bring her home.
But I hate the idea of Tim and friends having to spend their Holidays any where near that hell hole.

Posted by Heli at RU:
Fox News
December 18, 2007

FNC: How did you find out the charges had been dropped and the case is closed?

Jug Twitty:

Basically (inaudible) TV just called a few minutes ago and told me

FNC:

So you didn't get word from the prosecutors themselves?

Jug:

No, not from the prosecutor

FNC:

Your reaction?

Jug:

I called Beth immediately. I'm very disappointed. I've been disappointed since they brought up the new evidence . I hate that they sent Beth down there, went through all the questioning with the new prosecutor who seemed like he was going to help and actually nothing came of that. Actually they basically lied to her for 3 or 4 hours and I'm just really, really upset and I know she is too because the way that she's been treated , the way the whole thing went down; of course they could have solved the case in the first 10 days in my opinion if it had been handled properly.

You know Aruba, there's a lot of nice people there but they really have a black eye if they respect somebody like Paulus van der Sloot who I personally believe is the lowest human being I've ever been around, he has no backbone and why he and his son didn't help us look for Natalee that first week is beyond me. If they allow a person like that to walk around their island, then there are some problems down there.

FNC:

Jug Twitty, thanks for being with us.

Aruba Prosecutors End Investigation Into Disappearance of American Teen Natalee Holloway

Tuesday, December 18, 2007
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  Prosecutors in Aruba say they have closed the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The search for the blond, blue-eyed Alabama girl who went missing the night of May 30, 2005 spanned more than two years and involved hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets laden with search equipment.

The investigation has revolved around the same three suspects: Joran van der Sloot, a 20-year-old Dutch citizen and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak, 24, and Satish, 21, from Suriname.

They were the last people known to see Holloway before she vanished, and all three have denied any role in her disappearance. They have been arrested several times — the latest arrests coming last month — but released after different judges ruled there was not enough evidence to keep holding them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html
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Different judges.....MY A$$ !! :-x

From Pearl @ BFN


Rosemarie Arnold on Fox and saying case completely dismissed for Joran.  Said Joe has spoken with Joran and that they are thrilled with news of this dismissal.  She would not confirm that Joran is back in school.  Asked about the new evidence, she said she and Joe went and there was no new evidence.  Calls it Niffong type case.  Says all have sympathy for the family, but that is time for Joran to go on with his life that has been interrupted from day one.  Asked about litigation, she says there is a potential for a civil suit.  She and Joe will sit down with the family to figure that out..........

Jug now on ......... Dutch TV called and told him the case closed.  Reaction, I called Beth immediately, I am very disappointed and I hate that they sent Beth down there and put through questioning and the new prosecutor .. think lied to her for 3 or 4 hours and I am very upset and she is too.  The way she has been treated, ... Aruba has nice people, but really got a black eye, people like Paulus, they allow a person like that to walk around their island, they got a real problem down there .........

Good ole Jug!   I really miss him.

Last Edited: Tuesday, 18 Dec 2007, 10:35 AM CST 
Created: Tuesday, 18 Dec 2007, 10:25 AM CST 
 

Natalee Holloway Case Closed


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC-TV MyFoxAL.com) -- Prosecutors in Aruba say they have closed the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

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Today the Aruban Public Prosecutors Office notified 24 year old Deepak Kalpoe, his brother, 21 year old Satish Kalpoe, and 20 year old Joran van der Sloot, the three suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, that no charges will be brought against them.

At the same time the American lawyer of the parents of Natalee Holloway was informed by telephone and fax about this decision.

Based on a lengthy and extensive supplementary investigation, executed by a mixed team of Dutch and Aruban detectives, the three suspects were re-arrested by the end of November. These arrests were based on new evidence that was gathered during the investigation of the past eight months.

Although a judge shared the Public Prosecutors decision that sufficient new evidence was produced to justify the re-arrest of the suspects and keep them in custody. The period of custody did not bring the final breakthrough in this investigation.

All three suspects claimed their right not to give any statement at all.

Finally, in an appeal of the Public Prosecutor against the early release of the two Kalpoe brothers, the Court of Appeal ruled that the investigation did not show sufficient evidence to conclude that Natalee Holloway had died due to a violent crime. It were exactly these kinds of crimes the Public Prosecutor held against the three suspects.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the three suspects on May 30, 2005, hours before she was scheduled to return home with fellow high school classmates celebrating their graduation on this Caribbean island. She was 18 at the time.

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I just heard the news and I'm stunned, but I guess we shouldn't of expected Aruba to do the right thing.  We knew the Dec. 31st deadline was comeing but what makes me really curious about this is why are they closeing this case early especially since the water search has just begun? 
Robots:  Is it time for war?

Like I said -- The case was closed 2 1/2 years ago.  UNLEASH HELL!

I'm available for travel shows in the Nashville or Memphis areas.

Typical--the prosecutors notified Joran and the Kalpoes, but Natalee's family had to hear about it from the Dutch media.

Surfer Dude giving out information, but he is confused about the justice system down there, as he is explaining the jury did not have enough information.  Hell, he is not the only one confused about their justice system.  The world was until this time. Now the world knows, there is a paucity of justice in Aruba and this serves as a warning to the world, "Keep away, we don't want you here, and we cab kill you if you come and no one can do anything about it."

Interesting to hear Jug's comments. I had wondered if the request for Beth, Dave and JQK to go to Aruba was payback for Beth and Greta's recent visit and bad press. Didn't want to think that evil!

They want to wrap it up so they can enjoy their Christmas vacation and parties without having to fool with any of this.

Compare and contrast those going to search at this time of year and those trying to close everything down.

I still would like to hear it from Beth and Dave that they passed on any minor charges being filed.

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CNN take.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/18/holloway.case/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/18/holloway.case/index.html)

No charges against suspects in Holloway case

CNN) -- None of the three suspects in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway will be charged, the Aruban public prosecutor's office said Tuesday.
Hans Mos, the chief public prosecutor in the Dutch Caribbean island territory, said there was not enough evidence to take the case to trial.

All three suspects in the case already had been released.

A Court of Appeal judge in Aruba ordered the release of Joran van der Sloot, a 20-year-old Dutch citizen, 11 days ago, and brothers Deepak, 24, and Satish Kalpoe, 21, of Surinam were released the previous week.

The three men have maintained their innocence in the case.

The judge in van der Sloot's case found that the "recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime," Mos' office said.

All three men, who were arrested and released during the initial investigation in 2005, were arrested again November 21, and authorities cited new evidence against them. 

That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

The three were held on suspicion of manslaughter, or assault and battery resulting in Holloway's death, authorities have said.

Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared, has not been seen since she left an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub on May 30, 2005, with the three. She was on the island with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, but she failed to show up the following day for her flight home.

Mos previously said evidence in the case would show Holloway is dead, although her body has never been found. Searchers hired by her parents continue to seek the body.

The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after they left the nightclub.
Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

Beth "I could NOT have seen this coming." per Harris Falkner who spoke to her by phone.

Jossy is furious!  Says this case is NOT over.  Mentioned the water search.  Oh, he's pisssssed.

ABC 33/40 Birmingham is quoting
"Aruban Officials" as saying that
"We have gone the extra mile and have exhaused all of our
resources in trying to solve this case. We have notified the suspects
that they will not be charged."

Fox reporting Jossy is angry about this.

I agree-the Dutch just joined Aruba, and JK2 in saying "fok the bitch"  

Harris Falkner is the same reporter that talked to Jossy.  When Beth made that statement it proved to me that she knows what evidence there is and she knows who perputrated this crime (Well, we all do, but she has specifics).  I say it's time for Beth to tell the world every exact detail she has against them!

Heli Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:05 pm    RU

"I could not have seen this coming" -- Beth Twitty to Harris Faulkner
just a few minutes ago. Beth further tells Harris that she's not ready
to go before the cameras at this time.

Jossy Mansur is "fighting mad" per Harris Faulkner who just spoke to
him a few minutes ago
 

Unbelievable!!  Just unbelievable.  Another slap in the face.

It's time for Beth, Dave, and Jug to "shock the world".

And to Joetaco and Rosemary...........bring it on.  How much did your name cost?   What was the price?  Your names will forever be linked to IMHO kidnappers, rapist, murderers, obstructer's of justice, and liars.  I promise you in the end it will not be worth it.

And to MOS.....you have disgraced the Dutch.  You could have been the light for justice.  Coward.

Shame on all of them.  Disgraceful.  They have no honor.

Aruba has no clue what is about to hit them.  This has only just begun.

Quote "investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her"

No body, no crime.  Paulus knew.

 

Why is it that none of US MSM are reporting anything on the new search? When they just released this other news...they could add at the end that in spite of the closing/end/cold case, a new water search is underway.

Why aren't they acknowledging this?

Let's see what the search turns up....

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  Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -  on: December 11, 2007, 01:39:41 PM 
Anna,

The search will go on regardless of the delays.  We are going in with the purpose of finding Natalee and bringing closure to the family.  From my understanding, the delays on this end just push back the search and will not shorten it. Also, the search is not dependant on the case being open or closed.  That's not our concern.  It's all for the family.

After 2 plus years of BS ing the Holloway/Twitty family and everyone else that cared Aruba is trying to sweep this away so they may all enjoy their holidays and try and put this behind them. Total nonsense!! IMO That is one dangerous little hell hole run by a dispicable bunch. I hope many boycott and never ever go there. Let that place rot in hell where it belongs. They must have closed the case and prosecution in the event TES will find Nat and bring her back (perhaps she is in that trap in water with additional evidence).
-IDFT

What is this?
http://holloway.blogspot.com/

And this is why we will not here much from the Family, not until the searchers are out of harm's way.

I don't see anything there?  Was there something there when you first looked at it?

This was posted by legallylex at BFN as a place to see what Kyle and crew had been up to.  Strange, what it says.

Tylergal - where you looking for this?

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

It seems it is gone, or it is hacked.

What did it say? It was empty when I looked at it, too

Birmingham local did follow up with the story of the water search
with pictures of the Persistence.  They said the search is being
paid for by Natalee's parents(I don't think that is true).....but that is just local.

Just found it strange that LegallyLex posted this at BFN as Kyle's site, maybe another Twilight Zone moment.

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed

By NBC 13 Staff
E-mail
From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

The office notified the three suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 24 year old D.S.K., his brother, 21 year old S.S.K., and 20 year old J.v.d. S., that no charges will be brought against them.
At the same time the American lawyer of the parents of Natalee Holloway was informed by telephone and fax about this decision.

Based on a lengthy and extensive supplementary investigation, executed by a mixed team of Dutch and Aruban detectives, the three suspects were re-arrested by the end of November. These arrests were based on new evidence that was gathered during the investigation of the past eight months. Although a judge shared the Public Prosecutor’s decision that sufficient new evidence was produced to justify the re-arrest of the suspects and keep them in custody. The period of custody did not bring the final breakthrough in this investigation. All three suspects claimed their right not to give any statement at all. Finally, in an appeal of the Public Prosecutor against the early release of the two brothers K., the Court of Appeal ruled that the investigation did not show sufficient evidence to conclude that Natalee Holloway had died due to a violent crime. It were exactly these kinds of crimes the Public Prosecutor held against the three suspects.

Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.

Although the Public Prosecutor’s Office did see and still sees possibilities to prove that Natalee Holloway is no longer alive, the fact that her body never was found forms an important deficit in a possible reconstruction of the facts. Mainly because of that reason the current police report can not answer the question which crime was committed in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway nor shed light on the exact role of the three suspects in the events.

Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.

By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention, these crimes now have been dismissed. This does not imply that, if new serious evidence were to be found, this case could never be tried in court again. This is still possible within the statute of limitation. In case of involuntary manslaughter this period is 6 years counting from the day following the crime that was committed. In case of homicide this period ends after 12 years.

The Public Prosecutor’s Office is more than aware of the fact that this result of the investigation is a tough burden to bear for the parents of Natalee Holloway. After losing their daughter they have not been able to bring her back. Because of that important reason, amongst others, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Police have gone the extra mile and have exhausted all their powers and techniques, in order to solve the mystery of the disappearance of the girl. It took a lengthy and very intensive investigation where even help from abroad was asked for and received. Despite the fact that with all this we have not been able to solve the case, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Police share the opinion that by making the choice to try to do everything that is within their possibilities to bring the case to a solution, they made the right decision.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html

It said: Welcome to condemmed to repeat!...Spooky!!!!!!!

Thanks Klaas

I believe that ... Jug and Beth ... were a combined force that Aruba did not anticipate when an immediate agenda was established to distance Joran and Paulus from implication in the disappearance Natalee Holloway.  Their voices which would not be silenced in their mutual quest for answers exposed the Aruban investigation for what it was ... corrupt.  Their combined voices which would not be silenced in their mutual quest for answers exposed Paulus and Joran for who they are ... human beings without a conscience.

Monkeys ... I have such mixed feeling today.

I pray that God ... in closing a door ...  is opening wide a huge window of opportunity ... a huge window that will allow justice to prevail for an eighteen year old American citizen.

Future "Natalees" are at risk if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is allowed to become a distance memory.

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Janet

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Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
July 14, 2005

TWITTY:  ……. Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

I think she simply made a typo

I saw that too, earlier at BFN. It looks the same now as when I looked earlier.

me2

Maybe once the ship & crew have finished search (hopefully finding Natalee), and are out of harm's reach, then Beth can let 'er rip!  TELL [/b]ALL!!!

This from the Birmingham News

investigation into Holloway disappearance
Posted by vdmartin December 18, 2007 10:53 AM
ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Authorities have closed the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and do not have evidence to charge anyone, the prosecutors' office said Tuesday.

The three young men who were last seen with the Mountain Brook teenager have all been notified that they will not be charged, the Public Prosecutor's Office said.


Associated Press
Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while on a graduation trip to Aruba."The public prosecutor's office and the police have gone the extra mile and have exhausted all their powers and techniques in order to solve the mystery of the disappearance of the girl," it said.
The three suspects -- a Dutch college student and two Surinamese brothers -- were seen leaving a bar with Holloway the night she disappeared in May 2005. Police re-arrested them last month in a last-ditch effort to solve the case, but prosecutors said the men did not provide any new information under interrogation.

An attorney for two of the suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, said prosecutors presented transcripts of online chat sessions that the suspects had with friends as new evidence.

"They tried to call it new, but it didn't have any incriminating points against our clients," attorney David Kock said. "It's like trying to say the Loch Ness monster exists."

In their statement, prosecutors said they still believe the three were involved in the disappearance, but cannot prove a crime was committed because Holloway's body was never recovered.

Prosecutors said they could reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." The statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 years for homicide, they said.

Holloway was scheduled to return home with fellow high school classmates celebrating their graduation when she disappeared. She was 18 at the time.

One of the suspects, Joran Van der Sloot, has said he left her alone on a beach the night she vanished but does not know how she vanished.

No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3235/5/#jc_allComments

Well, here we are. They've finally put words to their intent from the beginning.

My prayers are with the search team and I have a renewed conviction that all responsible people who have vested themselves enough in this case to know the truth, are obligated to warn all potential Aruban tourists.

Since the case is officially closed in Aruba....come on Simian.  Come out and tell us the truth.  Tell us what you wouldn't say before.  It's over, all of your suspects have now waltzed away.  ALL OF THEM!  So get some courage and tell us what's up?  Or will you go to the freedom party tonight as usual?  Yes, I suspect you know now that I know who you are.  You have no guts!  You are a coward...right along with your buddy Shango. 

Hey Shango!!  How is it you knew Natalee was dead before the trip out to sea?  Did you know the people that helped them?  Did Mr. Croes tell you the whole story over dinner one night?  You saw that justice would never come, yet you chose to stay in your hole and believe that the little that you did would help.  Get off you rear end and spill it big guy! I know who you are...I have know who you and Simian are for a long time now and it's only a matter of time before the world finds out.  The FBI knows who you are too.  They know more than you guys think...that dirty little island will sink into oblivion now and only the rats will keep coming back to feed.  MOOO.

It's a good time to get the word out, CBB. All the college kids are home, let them know to avoid third world 'tropical paradises' like Aruba and Fiji. Tell them to go visit Hawaii!

Lalas,
Can you tell us all now or must we keep waiting?  I am very curious.
Maybe just a hint?

I wonder what affect this will have on the Dr. Phil case?  Hopefully more documents can be released to Dr. Phil since they aren't suspects?  God please spare me having to see Joe Taco on TV every night with a civil case for Joran and Paulus.  I couldn't bear it.

Lala's:  You know who Shango and Simian are?  Oh, please do tell

I cannot imagine facing what Natalee's family has been through.

The mere fact that the life of your child can be altered at all by the events of one day is, in itself, hard to grasp. To not be able to unveil what the exact event was is torture. To witness those who were responsible being granted immunity for any accountability.........that's just beyond human coping. God would have to do that for me; I'm incapable of not killing everyone of them on my own.

She's gone. Why? How? Who did this? Of those questions, "Who" is the only one they know at least a partial answer to, and they have just been told there will be no charges brought.

NO ONE NEEDS TO VACATION ON SUCH A PLACE WHERE THIS CAN HAPPEN.

I fear that now that this case has been closed and cleared all the suspects of any wrongdoing, nothing can be subpoenaed. 

BOTH ARE CHICKEN SHIT BASTARDS AND DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO COME FORWARD AND TELL WHAT THEY KNOW

Nut ... I believe that this misleading reporting in regards to the judges ... just as the recent detainments of Joran, Deepak and Satish ... is a media attempt to convince the world that Aruba gave its all to solve the Natalee Holloway case.  John Q. Kelly had it right ... it was all a "dog and pony show".

Janet

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Suspect's release no surprise to Natalee Holloway's parents, lawyer says
December 08, 2007 7:36 AM

"It's all a dog and pony show," Kelly said. "I guess they thought it would be good PR to show they were still working on the case. But it amplifies the fact that they mishandled it from the beginning and continue to mishandle it."

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/12/suspects_release_no_surprise_t.html
 

I agree.  Unless somebody could give me one good reason, I'd be telling everyone who would listen everything I knew.  What are they going to do, sue?  They won't even comply with the request for production of documents in the kalpoe deal.  Yessirree, if it were me, I'd be talking loud about all the BS.  Might as well.

   

I thought I already told you guys this once?  Where were you?  Simian is a member of ALE.  We have discussed all this before.  Simian's doppleganger is a person on the island that I simply refuse to bring up again because of the stir it creates.  Let's just say it is just like Shango...they are many different people.  Simian had a particular person that was used to funnel the info out into the internet. Simian's IP addy came from Aruba and a source that was directly traced back to ALE.  I have already told you guys this before. 

I also told you guys who Shango was. They only used Gabe Leo, once again, to funnel the info out into the WWW.  Shango had no knowledge of what happened to Natalee...he only knew what had been the routine before.  They are all cowards!!  Shango didn't give a fat rat's patootie if the truth came out. They have no guts and with no guts comes no glory!  I have a bout had it with all this crap.  Aruba has known all along where Natalee was and what happened to her.  The Sloots know who every player is on the island...do you not think these mystery men have been paid off in various ways?  Simian has seen with his own eyes the truth and still says nothing.  Shango knows who disposed of her body and still says nothing.  NOTHING!!  WHY?  Because Ben King and Rudy Croes and Nelson Oduber have all the answers.  Shango said that Paulus was just a small fish and he was right.  Until the chickens names Shango and Simian and Merian get their heads out of the dirt Aruba will continue to sink slowly but surely. MOO

Two remaining "hopes":

1. Jossy will release everything he has, including the documents ALE has asked him not to publish.

2. The Persistance and crew will find something.

and:
3) Beth will release what SHE knows
4) The FBI will release what THEY know.

The evidence was disclosed ... both John Q. Kelly and the Joe Tacopina read the fourteen pages and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to justify further detainment of the suspects.  Guess what ... the judge who again released Joran, Deepak and Satish concurred.

How did Hans Mos get it so wrong?  Does he not know the definition of "sufficient evidence" as it pertains to Dutch law?

Janet

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Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new, Greta. It's just the — you know, the — you know, the contradictory statements the boys made and some other accounts and the timeline and things like that that's been out there for two-and-a-half years now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent. Unless everybody's pulling something off at this point, I don't think there's anything new. The defense attorneys know there's nothing new, so I don't think I'm speaking out of school in saying that, either, Greta.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Joe Tacopina
The Lineup
December 2, 2007
 
TACOPINA: There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence and the funniest thing out of yesterday's press conference that I heard from the prosecutor was when he said "we were really disappointed with this ruling because we really wanted a chance to confront them with this new evidence" Well, they had 8 days, what are they waiting for, when were they going to confront them.

Transcript Credit: Heli (RU)

she corrected that posting somewhere.  it's supposed to be //nholloway.blogspot.com
dennisintn

Maybe now Jossy will make his move.

So this is how an island dies...

Not with a bang or boom...

But with a whimper

Hi Monkeys.  I don't post much but wanted to share how much attention this case has gotten.

First of all, my 70 yr old mom who hasn't followed the case asked to borrow my book (the one that Beth wrote).  She just returned it and told me she was so pissed when she read it she wanted to get sick.  That was like last week.

Today I am at work and the local Omaha TV station sent me an instant message they use for breaking news... that is how I learned they closed the case.   They have a survey asking if the investigation was sufficiently conducted.  78% said NO!  There were already over 1000 replies in Omaha!

About a minute ago I had an email from my mom saying she had seen the story on the noon news and "It is disgusting, those 3 boys are getting away with murder."

So it isn't just those of who have followed it daily for 2 1/2 yrs.  Aruba will NEVER EVER live this down until they come out with the truth.

OK... I gotta go back and read this mornings' posts... Prayers to all who knew and loved Natalee.

Please everyone stay focused on this from the prosecutor and send to every news organization you know:

"Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely."

This is the impetus to call for our government to get involved.

I'd like to know who got to that prosecutor and what did they threaten him with.

Aruba prosecutors close Holloway case
By MARGARET WEVER, Associated Press Writer
16 minutes ago


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Authorities have closed the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and do not have evidence to charge anyone, the prosecutors' office said Tuesday.
 
The three young men who were last seen with the Alabama teenager have all been notified that they will not be charged, the Public Prosecutor's Office said.

"The public prosecutor's office and the police have gone the extra mile and have exhausted all their powers and techniques in order to solve the mystery of the disappearance of the girl," it said.

The three suspects — a Dutch college student and two Surinamese brothers — were seen leaving a bar with Holloway the night she disappeared in May 2005. Police re-arrested them last month in a last-ditch effort to solve the case, but prosecutors said the men did not provide any new information under interrogation.

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was "terribly disappointed" that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for the mother.

"She was very hopeful the last couple weeks and she went down there and met with the prosecutor," Tillman said. "He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful.

"So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing," she said.

An attorney for two of the suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, said prosecutors presented transcripts of online chat sessions that the suspects had with friends as new evidence.

"They tried to call it new, but it didn't have any incriminating points against our clients," attorney David Kock said. "It's like trying to say the Loch Ness monster exists."

In their statement, prosecutors said they still believe the three were involved in the disappearance, but cannot prove a crime was committed because Holloway's body was never recovered.

Prosecutors said they could reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." The statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 years for homicide, they said.

Tillman, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, said the possibility of the case being reopened leaves a glimmer of hope for the family, which is now awaiting results from a deep-water search scheduled to begin Tuesday.

"It's quite ironic that the case has been closed on the same day the deep-water search was supposed to start," she said. "It's ironic that first the prosecutor says the case won't be closed until Dec. 31 and then — boom — the day the water search starts, the case is over."

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was scheduled to return home with fellow high school classmates celebrating their graduation when she disappeared. She was 18 at the time.

One of the suspects, Joran Van der Sloot, has said he left her alone on a beach the night she vanished but does not know how she vanished.

No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

"This whole case was botched from the get-go and it's terribly disappointing that it has come to this," Tillman said.

"There was so much hope and the rug was pulled out from under the family once again," she said. "They pulled the rug out again and again and again and it's just hideous."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071218/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen

Without those pesky tourists in the way anymore, Aruba can finally concentrate on what it does best  -- run drugs, on-line gambling, and money laundering.

At the time of Joran's last release there was a poll on AOL that asked
if you had been following the NH case.  80% said yes.
Then it asked if you thought the 3 main suspects were guilty.
78% said yes.  It is indeed far reaching.

If Beth claimed to Harris Falkner by phone that she could "NOT" have forseen the happenings of today ... then Hans Mos was again  misleading Americans when he implied that Beth and Dave were in agreement with the closing of the case.  Does Aruba not comprehend??  It is the lies coming forth from the lips of  the "powers that be" within the Natalee Holloway investigation for the past 2 1/2 years that is contributing to the Island downfall ... the outrage of Americans.

Janet

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Aruba prosecutor mulling closure of Holloway case
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007

Mos said if prosecutors believed they only had enough evidence to charge someone with a minor crime related to the case, he and the Holloway family feel pursuing such a charge "doesn't serve a purpose." A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.

Holloway's relatives did not return calls for comment.

"We have a strong conviction that something happened that night, and that it was a very serious thing," Mos said. "The question is whether we are able to prove it."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html


Wreck said it best on the first page of this thread ....

Janet

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 :smt076 There is a CherieMC running her mouth on Greta's blog, who also bashed Beth's book on Amazon.  She can't even see she is in the minority there, except for somebody named "Wicked", how fitting!   I can't keep my mouth shut, I'm going to get into an open argument over there.  I hate when I let people get to me like that.  That's why I stay away from RU, et el.....

Results

ABOUT.COM POLL

JULY 4, 2005


Is Joran Van Der Sloot Involved in the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway?


Yes. I think he killed her.
 
51,107 votes          84%


No. He is telling the truth.
 
6,561 votes         10%


Total Votes: 60,752

Janet,

The paragraph you highlighted in red in that yahoo article I posted....'exhasted all their powers & techniques'....laughable, if it wasn't so sadly not the case.

edit button....exhausted is what should have been... :2doh:

frank, you're precisely right.  this bears to be posted anew hourly until it becomes totally ingrained in all our heads.  i hope mos or jorg make this part abundantly clear in their press conference thursday.  in fact, i wish there was some way of telling them this.  it's very important.
dennisintn

I bet he is furious and outraged and disgusted. As am I. I'm praying that the search team finds something and praying for Beth, Dave and loved ones strength...I just feel like crying right now!

I do too. Has anyone heard from Jossy?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html


The deadline established by Hans Mos out of respect for the suspects was December 31, 2007.

The water search that is taking place right now is based on information that Dave Holloway and Art Wood has based on the words of authorities within the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Why did Hans Mos close the case today ... two weeks prior to his own deadline?  Why did he not give the search an opportunity for the search efforts to yield "new" evidence?

Janet

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Aruba prosecutor mulling closure of Holloway case
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007

Hans Mos told The Associated Press Friday he will drop the case unless prosecutors agree before the New Year that they have strong enough evidence to go to court.

"We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case,"  Mos said. "This investigation should end at a certain point."

Mos said he imposed the deadline himself earlier this year because he feels two years is a reasonable amount of time for bringing charges against someone.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Since further investigation has ended and ALE says they need help to proceed, maybe its time to raise the stakes and help them out. I would suggest that $250,000 for a reward did not bring any new information. So 1 million would probably increase the pressure. Friends may not be friends if the number gets high enough.

give em hell, dihannah, they so richly deserve it. 
dennisintn

Linda Allison spoke briefly, by phone a while ago on Fox and I just caught the tail end of it...anyone hear that?

Thanks Siren for your comments on Greta!

BTW,  I thanked "Wicked" for bringing attention to Scared Monkeys, so others can come read the facts and the truth... ;)

He's pissing some people off over there, for being so disgusting about Beth though....

To hell with Greta, her show, and her blog. I won't watch her coverage -- even if she is the ONLY one covering it.  It was Greta's "support" for Joran that actually gave Aruba the false feeling that we would all buy into the "he is innocent" bullshit.

During the State of the Union message in January, everyone is in DC, press, senators, representatives, administration, FBI, lobbiests, everyone you can think of except the vice president. Maybe the Monkeys could picket the White House, Congress, the embassies-it would make world news and get the story out not to travel to Aruba.

Mos claims the family does not want him to pursue lesser crimes with punishment as small as this merits.

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It's time for Jossy (et al) to put their money where their mouth is. They have threatened to do this on several occasions. Now is the time lest they show that they have big bags of nothing. Talk is cheap.

Good one Klaas... or how about Aruba being put into a coffin and a hammer nailing it shut?  That'd work too. ha.

Despite the fact I knew this could and probably would happen it is so infuriating.  We need to think of something that we can do.  Something very meaningful.  For right now... I had better get my butt back to work.. will check in later.  Thanks for the updates as always....

Beans

by mbozant  BFN

     Re: Search Group Back to Aruba to Search for Natalee
« Reply #414 on: Today at 02:14:57 PM »   

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I have not been on here in FOREVER!  Life is crazy but I still try to keep up sometimes.  Anyway, my aunt recently started working for TES and I spoke with her about this case recently.  She explained that they are 90% positive that they know exactly where Natalee is and that they just needed the boat to be able to get to where she is.   

By the way, I think I owe you a huge apology from a few weeks ago. You called us all "sheeple" for buying into Mos and the Dutch.  I could not fathom that the Dutch could let Aruba make them look this corrupt/idotic. Oh well --- they WILL regret it.

Yup, my belief too.

I believe this is true...because why else would they spend all this time and effort if they aren't pretty sure they know where Natalee's remains are....God Bless Them All!

***SPECIAL NOTICE***
Tuesday, 18-Dec - 1500 hrs:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/ (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/)

It's time to take your voices outside of the blog to your local politicians and press agencies.  Let them know how you feel.  Pray for Aruba, pray for the Holloways, pray for the search. 

I'd love for them to find Natalee, in the trap, with a K-swiss

Klaas My sentiments exactly!

Thanks Kyle! 

Trying to get Red to approve Cafepress t-shirts at cost with the above on them.

We have already seen part of Jossy's tape of Dompig bragging about how he knows the suspects are guilty as hell.  I would like to see the rest of it.

But we have had Rudy Croes saying that there will be no prosecution no matter what.  He means that.  They will never reopen this investigation not even with a full video of the actual crime.

It was never about the evidence nor the lack thereof but the fact that as a sovereign nation, Aruba can chose to prosecute or not.  They chose not to do so no matter what.

IMHOO

It is hard to comprehend that the "Holloway family" agreed not to pursue charges in regards to the disposal of Natalee's remains.  John Q. Kelly's outrage and frustration with Hans Mos on the Greta show tells me there was no such agreement.

However ... I will have to wait on confirmation.

In my opinion ... establishing ... for the record ... the involvement of Joran, Deepak and Satish in the disposal of Natalee's remains would be a huge affirmation in itself and ... a six month sentence implies that for six months other "Natalees" are not at risk.

I feel I am in the Twilight Zone.  Am I understand this correctly?  Hans Mos is implying that under Dutch law it is an offence to dispose of a body but ... considering the penalty is only six months ... that particular offence is not pursued in the Aruban courts.  What is the deterent?  In other words ... Arubans are free to dispose of bodies without consequences?

This is crazy!!!  It was my understanding that justice for the victim was what a justice system is all about ...

Janet

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Aruba prosecutor mulling closure of Holloway case
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007

Mos said if prosecutors believed they only had enough evidence to charge someone with a minor crime related to the case, he and the Holloway family feel pursuing such a charge "doesn't serve a purpose." A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.

Holloway's relatives did not return calls for comment.

"We have a strong conviction that something happened that night, and that it was a very serious thing," Mos said. "The question is whether we are able to prove it."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

A gutless, amoral whimper....

Sounds like he was scared out of his wits by the "noose" - you know - the one that creates all the suicides on the island.

Ooops- sorry, I messed up that post.

Yes its time for our local politicians to receive mail and not just email that gets deleted with a button.

Show the tape, Jossy!  All of it!  Tell us all that you know about the Sloots!  Doesn't matter if they prosecute....anymore.  Put the information out there and the island is doomed.  Just tell the world!  What happens when the responsible media actually tell the truth???  Hmmmm. maybe that is asking too much.  The FBI doesn't have the info that Jossy does, remember the FBI got nothing....NOTHING!  They don't know as much as you think.  It's time to come out of the woodwork...the person that reveals this dirty little secret is the hero...surely there is some politician that needs to be re-elected....hmmmmmm, that won't work either...too much money given to too many candidates.  Too many USA connections also to make any progress....it's in Jossy's court now...does he have anything?  We will see.  :roll:

You are right, wreck.  I will never watch her show again.  I can't believe that Fox allows people to post things like that.  It is so disgusting.  They have the e-mail address, they could have banned that person.  

Oceanexplorer is right.  Time to get off the blog and into real time with the outrage.  I will be trying to figure out who to send mine to.  We should send letters to all states and reps as a group.

Please accept this in the spirit in which it is written.  I understand all the long-term emotions and frustrations here.  Let's keep things in their proper perspective. The Island of Aruba is being branded by the actions of a few nasty individuals who are not Aruban. We all want the axe to fall, but we must want it to fall in the right place. 
Why call for hurting a people who by in large are very peaceful, kind, and loving?  Let's focus on the authorities making these poor decisions, not on the people who happen to be dwelling in their shadows. 
The Arubans desperately want justice and closure here.  So do we. 

PS:  There should be an interesting article in Diario today.  If someone could translate it and post it on the Ocean Search thread, I would appreciate it.

I have a very hard time believing that as well, Janet.  I would take six months in jail over nothing any day.  I keep hoping by repeating it someone will come out for the family and say it's not true.

Could be certain members of the family from the Twilight Zone feel that way but it is Beth whose feelings and thoughts I care about.

At least Mos is not saying they are innocent which is to his credit.  Don't think I could stand that.  Not sure which is worse, guilty but we are not going to do one thing about it or false claims of innocence by those responsible.

Under Dutch law the prosecutor is supposed to remain neutral and be only about finding out the truth.  HA!  There is no one who is an advocate for the victim as we have in this country.  Also the best interest of the public at large is taken into effect.  I guess this is where Rudy Croes gets the idea he can prosecute or not.

They are chosing not to prosecute no matter what happened.  Now let them live with the consequences.

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Posted at RU:

all10suspects Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:06 pm   

Could be Beth was hoping the boat would find Natalees body before j2k were released by Dec. 31. IMO I think Mr Mos is doing the right thing.
If a body is found j2k can be arrested again with a new clock. 

Monkeys ... I cannot get past this ...

Hans Mos establishes a deadline of December 31, 2007 in regards to closing the Natalee Holloway case ... a deadline to allow sufficient event to come forward and ... then he closes the case prior to that deadline.

Hans Mos know that the water search is taking place which implies a possibility that "sufficient" evidence will be revealed that could implicate the main suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Again ... I ask ... WHY DID HANS MOS CLOSE THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE EARLY?

Janet

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Aruba prosecutor mulling closure of Holloway case
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007

Hans Mos told The Associated Press Friday he will drop the case unless prosecutors agree before the New Year that they have strong enough evidence to go to court.

"We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case," Mos said. "This investigation should end at a certain point."

Mos said he imposed the deadline himself earlier this year because he feels two years is a reasonable amount of time for bringing charges against someone.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Klaasend you have some email.

Was it two or three demonstrations these "innocent" Arubans who only want the truth conducted against Beth while she was still there?  I remember two but was thinking it was maybe three.

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Here is the e-mail link for Congressman Spencer Bachus R/AL.
He is the one who met with the Aruban Delegation including
the lovely Arleen.  He came out of the meeting sais they were trying to solve the case and "wiretaps" and has never said another word about Natalee.
Ask him why?  The case is closed now, so he should be able to explain.

Ooops, I was so mad that I forgot the link:
http://bachus.house.gov/HoR/AL06/Contact+Me/

I feel the need to reiterate what I just said on account of being filled with intense conviction:

It's time to take your voices outside of the blog to your local politicians and press agencies.  Let them know how you feel.  Pray for Aruba, pray for the Holloways, pray for the search.

Meanwhile, the search continues.  We're almost ready to start with the side scan.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/ (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/)

I don't care one iota about a "new clock." Let Aruba fester in their 2 1/2 years of deceipt. They can build a monument to J2K in the town square or hang him there TOMORROW. They will never get a "do over." from me.

Ocean,
Do you think you have fairly good information as to a search area?

should be: deceit (I know it didn't look right when I typed it)

Anybody email Jossy to get his take on this?  And also ask if he is finally going to release his info now?

OE,  I do appreciate the spirit of your writing, but if the Aruban's truly cared about the case being solved and Natalee being found, they have mouths too speak up and demand justice like we have, why did they just sit back and do nothing after the initial search?

Anna ... the following words of Beth and her spokesperson tells me that Hans Mos was lying in regards to Natalee's family drawing a line in the sand in regards to the conditions encompassing the closing the case.

Janet

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By Margaret Wever
ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:23 a.m. December 18, 2007

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was “terribly disappointed” that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for the mother.
 
“She was very hopeful the last couple weeks and she went down there and met with the prosecutor,” Tillman said. “He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."
 
“So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing,” she said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20071218-1023-aruba-missingteen.html


Aruba prosecutor mulling closure of Holloway case
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007

Mos said if prosecutors believed they only had enough evidence to charge someone with a minor crime related to the case, he and the Holloway family feel pursuing such a charge "doesn't serve a purpose." A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

I propose:
We should collectively work on a legal petition to submit to our politicians to put pressure on an internal Dutch investigation of their authorities.  I'm proposed the same to BFN.  Perhaps this will get a voice out of the blogs and into action.

So it's over, huh?  I guess the only punishment these suspects will EVER get is by a higher power... :roll:

Makes my blood boil!  :)

Sorry, there wasn't supoosed to be a smiley face there.  There was supposed to be a pissed off one!!

"BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS"

Shep Smith grows a pair and calls out the van der Sloots and Kalpoes for what they are.

100 years, 100 advertising campaigns will not unrung this bell.

Someone ask why close the case today??

Well imo, it's because the water search started today. Aruba doesn't want the news talking about the search and no one is..

All Fox is talking about is the case is closed. No one except Natalee's aunt Linda has even mentioned the search that I have heard.

So we need to ask CNN, FOX, MSNBC why not at least mention the water search during their reporting of the case being closed.

O/T I really tried to get rid of Halloween avi and I just can't..

I am hurt and angry but won't go there..

I am praying for the group doing the water seach and will focus on it being successful..

Happy Holidays to everyone,

God Bless each of you and your loved ones.

MOOOO

OS

I put Shep in the same boat as Greta and O'Rieley. They will have to go a LOOOOONG way to make up for their previous comments in this case.
Sorry, OE -- been here too long to give anyone a "pass." I have heard and seen enough.

Neil Cavuto on Fox, just gave a lead in before commercial.  He said "What if I told you the Holloway case being closed had something to do with Money"?  He said "Yes"......   up after commercial.

thirdstrike ... do not jump to conclusions so quickly!  Think positively.  Think ... "Now that God has closed this door ... there must be an open window somewhere in the pursuance of justice for an eighteen year old American citizen who went missing on Aruban soil".

When it is considered that now that the Natalee Holloway case has been closed ... upon request from the family, steps can be initiated by the American administration in regards to investigating the corrupt Aruban investigation which  has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Janet

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http://www.internationalextradition.com/netherlands_bi.htm
When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS


Art Wood
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely.  There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

On Cavuto!  TAUB: Aruba is closing case because boycott is WORKING!

Cavuto:  Why reopen and upset the American's again?

Taub:  To get it over with and hope it's eventually forgotton.

Taub: Central bank "cruise ships" are down.  People are NOT going to Aruba because of Boycott!

my thoughts exactly....he had the goods..I am convinced he did and I am equally convinced he was ordered to halt any and all questioning and further pursuit of these three murderers....what tacojoe saw and what JQK saw was crap.....they didn't see the new and incriminating evidence.....

Ocean,
I like you and I like what you are about.  You must realize though that most of us
have been here for over two years and we knew there was corruption in the investigation from about day three.  We have written to everybody we could think of.
We have gathered tons of information that was contrary to what Aruba was saying.
When Mos came out and re-arrested the three perps we got a little hope.
I don't think it matters much what we do.  The Arubans will not do anything
and evidently the Dutch won't either.  They closed this case long ago.

you are so right......prayers for all of you....God speed

YES!!!!! :lol:

What if he was threatened long before he arrived and this was all part of the plan?  He didn't just decide to not prosecute within days of his arrival...this was a pre-planned situation and it's all about the money.....follow the money...it leads to the Hague, the drug smuggling and gambling and porn and even into the USA.  No one is without guilt here...it's all about the money.  Why do you think the reward money hasn't brought out the snitches?  They can make more money keeping their mouths shut.  :roll:

At no time following the recent detentions did Hans Mos' imply that charges against Joran, Deepak and Satish in relation to the the "New and Sufficient" was dependent on admissions.  This was only revealed following the release of the Kalpoe brothers.

Logic dictates that Joran, Deepak and Satish's attorneys were going to advise them not to talk.

Janet

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Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737

First,and formost, i would like to thank the Scared monkeys team to allow me to join a group of people that truly do care.I came across this board yesterday after doing a little browsing.It is quite horrifying to see people continue to bash Natalee,as well as her family.Just starting to learn more and more about this case.Will someone truly do an investigative report on the where the history starts with Paulus and his cohorts??I for the life of me, can't understand how people can't see the problem with your friends doing a murder investigation on your good friend,as well as sons!This is unbelievable!!Again.Thank You for allowing me the opportunity to join.

Keepthefaith

Yes, we have written to everybody under the sun, sent reams of pages of documentation of evidence all to no avail.

Rudy Croes says HE got to Mos and would have done so BEFORE these last arrests had he been notified that they were in the making.  Can't get any plainer than that.

No evidence on the face of this earth would ever be good enough for them to bring charges and go to trial.

And the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction to do anything unless we are prepared to invade which I highly doubt.

Jug and Beth likely thought the world would be shocked at the drugging and keeping people in choller houses until they emptied their bank accounts.  I don't think anybody is holding back much at all this late in the game.

MO

Welcome Keepthefaith.  You will find no better group of people than
 "Scared Monkeys".

Welcome Keepthefaith! What an appropriate name  :) I just about to post, "Keep the Faith Monkeys!" Three things cannot long be hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth!

Welcome!!

I think Beth, Dave, Jug, and Jossy know a lot more than they have said.
"Shock the world" is coming.

Nelson Odebur has shown the world, and especially the Aruban people that he cares nothing about them.  In his self righteous indignation he has ruined Aruba.  He's pouting because he wasn't in the loop about the arrest.  I guess Mos forgot to call him.  Mos knows the truth.  Man-up Mos.

Welcome Keepthefaith!

Welcome to SM

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KoolKatt and Keepthefaith!

I'm waiting!!How can i better understand the history of Paulus and his cohorts.I truly believe the Lord works in mysterious ways.Hurry up Jossy!!

Thanks Dihannah1! I'm here everyday but I'm usually lurking and trying to keep up with you brilliant monkeys  :lol:

If you go to the Natalee Holloway main thread (one back), it has documents, pictures, statements, anything  you can think of about the case over the past 2 1/2 yrs.

I saw that,  I just hadn't got a chance to say Welcome to you before. ;)

 :smt052 Thank you kindly  :wink:

Thank you for the warm welcome!!I've read the last few pages,but when i try to enlarge the picture tree of Hooligans i get Photobucket??Who knows.Where does the history start back in Holland??How did Paulus come to Aruba,as well as the others.The pieces have got to be there.They just have to be found!!

It has also crossed the mind of this wannabe detective that maybe ... just maybe ... Hans Mos really had accumulated the "new" and "sufficient" evidence that warranted charges against Joran, Deepak and Satish but ... this evidence was withdrawn as a result of intimidation or compensation.

Janet

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Hans Mos
On the Record with Greta
November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.


November 29, 2007
Natalee Holloway's parents to meet with Aruban prosecutor

A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

"There's no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. ... I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos said last week.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/

Let's hope Jossy can keep the flame burning. MEP has closed the case. Diario is the voice of the opposition party and may be able to keep some focus on getting the family answers.

I hope Beth comes out in the Media screaming what she knows and get's everything out now!   :smt076
I think she has held things back for the sake of the case, what's the point now????  :evil:

I agree.People know more then they are saying.Would love to hear soon.Where,and what is Dompig doing now???Is he still in Aruba and to what capacity??

That Karen Janssen said that if information about the case was released
then they couldn't use it to prosecute, but it was OK for Renfro and her
ilk to spread all of the lies.  Tell it all now, Beth.

Can't use information if it is released??Why??Cause it leads to the guilt of these three boys!!The truth.We want the truth!!!

WELCOME to the cage, FAITH and KOOL!  :D

Jossy is a lone voice in a dry land, and I don't know how much he can do. The last hope is in the search for any comfort or semblance of resolution for the family. My fervent prayers are with that team.

Beyond that, it's my opinion that as informed persons of the details of this case, we are morally obligated to do all we can to facilitate a halt to as much tourism as possible heading to Aruba. For the sake of the public good; forget vengeance, it's a safety and awareness issue.

Welcome Keepthefaith!  This is a good thread to read all the way through.  It may not tell you everything you want to know but it will give you a good idea:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.0

Also, Gerold Dompig started his own security business now in Aruba

The Big Story w/ John Gibson on Foxnews just gave Aruba a big thumbs down...
He said something like....
WELL...so Aruba is basically saying 'come to our island and get yourself killed and we don't care, we will just close the case.
LMAO!!! GO JOHN GIBSON!!

Hope we can get a transcript...the whole set was pretty good Aruba bashing, lol.

The truth stays hidden in Aruba.
Klaas can probably tell you more about Paulus in a nutshell than anybody.
Start with his NOVA interview. He may or may not have a brother in
goverment in NL....not sure what conclusion was ever reached on that
subject.

Thank you for the welcome!  :smt052

You are absolutely correct Crazybabyborg. Now is the time to step up to be a voice for Natalee and her family.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!
No justice for Natalee...no tourists for Aruba!

Probably Security for the Chollers and their crack houses.

I wonder if Dana can get Jossy on this week...if he is feeling better.

Security for the Aruban govt.,paid for by the Aruban govt.???Where is he getting his work from??That would be interesting.Is it public record in Aruba??

Dompig is no longer ALE, he stepped down or retired.  That's when he started his own security company.  I have a link to it someplace, will look for it.

Dayhiker...thanks for acknowledging me...even though we disagree on this ..it nice to know I am not totally invisible :roll: :roll:

Sorry I forgot to welcome you kooolkatt.  Howdy   :D

 :lol: You'll never talk to me if you have to type out my full name. Monkeys call me CBB, and I've already dubbed you "KOOL".  :wink:

I would love to see a drastic crash in tourism as a result of the additional last slap that Dave and Beth received as a result of the hope Mos held out to them, just prior to the case being closed.

HOW can you close a case when the responsible parties for a death have not been officially identified or held accountable?

Sorry O/T

Sunny I always "read" you.  I'm multitasking.  Fixed 5 roast with gravy,
10 1lbs mashed potatoes, corn, cracker barrell style apples, rolls, and
Ma Kings 24 hr. salad.  Delivery's being made now.  And 13 loads of laundry.
I'm freeeekin tired man. lol

One good thing out of the events of the day.....
I see a bunch of MAD MONKEYS

Well, Sunny, I'll not only acknowledge you, but I'll step up and say that I agree with you, if for no other reason than Mos would have to be an Academy Award winning actor to pull it off that convincingly. I'm not fooled or persuaded by Joran, or any of the lawyers in the least. I'm totally unaffected by anything Anita or Paulus has to say. But I honestly believed in Mos' sincerity.

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That is the point.  It's all political.  Would you play your winning hand in hopes that your party wins in the next election?  People tend to forget what you tell them within weeks.  Jossy is a member of a different political party in Aruba.  He is not the party in power...he has fought the party in power and the party in power has won for now.  After a few more years of a tanking economy and businesses pulling out...then the opposition has the leverage to be elected. In politics it's all about the "opportune moment". 

I think this would make a swell T-Shirt or Bumper Sticker!

Me too!  Hi Sunny! :)

No Third, I don't think it's over.  It's not over till it's over...

thanks Snoopy...can I come to your house for dinner???  I was beginning to think I was posting with invisible ink or sumptin!!

Sunny- you are not invisible!   :smt052

I saw it too and they did say it like it is!  Was awesome!

O.K., I just got home. I am sooooo mad I could spit nails.  Don't know why, I didn't expect anymore out of them than this.  But it just stings so bad so I cannot imagine how the family is feeling.  IT IS TIME FOR BETH TO SPEAK OUT AND TELL IT ALL NOW.

Wonder how long it will take Joe Taco to file suits against Beth, Dave, and various news agenicies who didn't tow the Aruban line?  I guess Mos just helped the Kalpoes with their suit against Dr. Phil. 

This sucks :smt093 :smt093 :smt093

If Memory serves me right, once the case has been officially closed...Then our own FBI can officially conduct it's own  investigation.  "IF" this case, indeed, has been officially closed that I would expect a volley of activity from the U.S.  Mos and his boss may very well have "let the cat out of the bag" so to speak, by closing the case -- thus exposing the source of the "rats"... Aruba has a very deep problem... it is an entrenched society of evil and corruption and self gratification.

Magnolia..I am not mad...just disgusted....I have been preparing myself for today...whenever today happened....I just keep on hanging onto some hope that Tim et al will find Natalee

Sorry O/T
Well sure Sunny.  Come on down.  If you don't mind 2 trashed kitchens.  I'm like a mad scientist in the kitchen. lol

No lunch for me this week.  Got 2 funerals to go to.  Friday gotta be in the office all day.  Sorry.  You, Lisa, and the other girls have a wonderful time.   

Whew!  thanks Muffy....I've had the crud that's going around and have only read for about a week.....it's a sad, but predictable day.

No worries Snoopy...thank you for the warm welcome  :)

I just had a horrible thought.  Since the case is closed now COULD Hans Mos tell TES to go home?  I cannot imagine they would do something so stupid but.....could they?

I'm not surprised by the "case closed" development, but feel saddened by it for Natalee, her family and friends.  It isn't over yet. 

Sunny ~  take care and hope you feel better soon.  :salut:

It's incredible that all they really wanted, afterall, was to say they'd gone the extra mile.  Case closed.  I can't believe they are so dumb as to think that the last "arrests" helped them with the tourist public; I can't believe they couldn't see that it would only inflame tourists against them. Looks like the only one the "new" evidence was new to was the new "prosecutor"; perhaps he just had never even reviewed the case (heavy sarcasm here). Wow.  They really are corrupt, and all they've done is provide further proof of that.

That's kool with me CBB  :lol:

Well, Sunny, I'll not only acknowledge you, but I'll step up and say that I agree with you, if for no other reason than Mos would have to be an Academy Award winning actor to pull it off that convincingly. I'm not fooled or persuaded by Joran, or any of the lawyers in the least. I'm totally unaffected by anything Anita or Paulus has to say. But I honestly believed in Mos' sincerity.
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thanks CBC....I honesty think he was ordered to back off and produce fake info....there was no reason to bring Natalee's case to the forefront again unless there was new evidence....the judge in the NL saw enough to bring joran's ass back to aruba....it was there IMO.....Mos is a seasoned prosecutor.....this has to be one big black mark on his record...

I don't know Klaas.   I don't know if they could be asked to leave the island, and how far out they might have to go.  Some ships can stay at sea a  long time, as long as they are supplied and weather permitting.  Hans Mos would be very, very stupid to tell TES to go home. I agree with you on that.

To what degree could the FBI get involved in this legally in terms of jurisdictions and so forth.I would love for them to get involved!!

 It will never be over..aruba will always be known as the unsafe island....a place where young women just disappear....and the j2k will always be suspect....they will forever be known as the 'suspects' in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway...they will forever have to be suspect of anyone they meet..is this person trying to 'get to me'..and never feel safe setting foot in the USA.....oh no it's not over.....

no lunch out for me either....read your email :sad:

BINGO!!!

Klaas ... the same thought inspired the following words that I posted a few pages back.

Janet

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hi kooolkatt...sorry, some how I missed you as well...welcome to SM...Natalee's Place

 :shock: :shock:

I have tried to prepare since JQK said there was no new evidence.
But it didn't work.  I did not like hearing it stated out loud.

Well that certainly could explain the timing of the announcement -- just as TES is geting started ith the search...


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That would be great...if we could get it in English :P

Here is a view. The uSA knows, The Dutch know. This is way beyond a murder. The decision is made to finally let the family have thier daughter back. It has always been known where she is. The family has known this. They will find her and she will come home. The perps feel that they have been released so does the higher powers. The boycott continues. The governments appear to haver gone away. The way of life continues except for the poor Arubans. When the time is ripe, and it is getting very ripe, is when the hammer falls. These a-holes are far from being out of the woods. This is being orchestrated by the US and Netherlands. The Dutch are not this stupid but the perps are. Alot of people are going down and have not a clue.

I don't know Klaas, but I tought they may try and put an end to this search now too. They have done it before....

Last paragraph of Gerald Dompig's mission staement for his New Security company!!!Looked it up on google!!

Having seen the latest world developments concerning crime in general and terror-attacks in particular, it is now time to place your Security/Risk-Management in the hands of professionals. Only the best should protect your investment, your business, your hotel guests and your loved ones.

SHIELD GROUP Inc.

Gerold G. Dompig
Managing-Director

Klaas,
I am hoping Mos closed it early so he could attend the holiday festivities without having to concern himself about missing American tourist.  I am hoping it is purely selfish but I had the same thought. 

The fact they just couldn't wait until even Dec 31 doubly irks me.  But I don't think they would dare try to stop the search, that would be just tooooo much.

.

Thanks SunnyinTX  :smt052
This is my favorite place to read!

If you care to look it up it is shieldgroupworldwide.com!!Send him a message to finish what he started!!

I like your thinking Flyer33716. The most important thing is to return Natalee to her family. Godbless the brave crew conducting the latest search. Aruba made it's own bed and now they will have to lie in it...rather appropriate since all they know how to do is lie  :roll:

this sounds like a perfect scenerio ....but I can't accept that any family member knew where she was....that they wouldn't move heaven and earth to find her and bring her home.....

the words of an asshxle!!!

At this point nothing would surprise me.  That would most certainly end tourism for them.  That would be the final nail in the coffin.  They disgust me.

LOL...Cherie aka freebiesite is a long time Beth and Natalee poster from the aol boards.Best to stay away from that skanky thang....she THRIVES on her heat filled heart and loves getting responses.She is one sick skank for sure. :smt096

perfect game. Why has Beth been quiet for sooooo long? She knows. Part of the game now

I hope you're right flyer33716

Just when you think this couldn't get any crazier:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
       
Aruba Investigation Into Disappearance of American Teen Natalee Holloway Is Not Over

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  Aruban officials have not closed their investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, FOX News learned Tuesday.

The media liaison for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over. A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.

The investigation is in a new phase with detectives reviewing new evidence, the media liaison told FOX News.

The three suspects — a Dutch college student and two Surinamese brothers — were seen leaving a bar with Holloway the night she disappeared in May 2005. Police re-arrested them last month in a last-ditch effort to solve the case, but prosecutors said the men did not provide any new information under interrogation.

An attorney for two of the suspects, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, said prosecutors presented transcripts of online chat sessions that the suspects had with friends as new evidence.

"They tried to call it new, but it didn't have any incriminating points against our clients," attorney David Kock said. "It's like trying to say the Loch Ness monster exists."

RelatedStories
Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case Suspect Released in Natalee Holloway Case Video
Case Closed 'Well Deserved News' Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was scheduled to return home with fellow high school classmates celebrating their graduation when she disappeared. She was 18 at the time.

One of the suspects, Joran Van der Sloot, has said he left her alone on a beach the night she vanished but does not know how she vanished.

No trace of Holloway has ever been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html

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They just won't quit!!!  This is making me more upset by the moment when they do this see saw routine.  Seem it too many times over the last two years.

Guess someone popped their trial balloon.

.

They can take that trial balloon and..........well you know. 

  I read this and thought I have certainly walked into the twilight zone~~~

 :shock: :shock:

folks this is not over, the light is at the end of the tunnel

That latest report is insane, like the rest of their "reports".  They're trying to play both sides, and they will find, as everyone else knows, that nothing gets solved that way; ultimately, they're only trying to please themselves.  They would like to close this case and resume big tourism.  They will learn, albeit it seems very slowly, that one can't always get what one wants.  It won't happen.  This will only damage them worse; poor idiots--and they're making the innocent people on their island suffer, too; which brings this back to their voting decisions.  They are paying the consequences for their actions.

My sentiments exactly Sunny. WTF is going on?  :-?

Me Too!

 :scratch:

I just saw this now and thought the same thing.  How Crazy?

The ONLY people to think that this over are the perps. The USA and Dutch governments are not his stupid. No one would do this bullcrap and think it will go away. The Dutch will not bail that hellhole out. Queen Bea is old but not senile. KEEP THE FAITH

hahahahahaha....since I know you this is really funny!!!

flyer nothing could make me happier at this point.....I hope to hell you are right!!

Although it appears that the search is being conducted in Aruban waters ... not international waters ... I would assume that TES has had all their permits approved prior to embarking on this enormous task.

Also ... now that the Natalee Holloway case is closed ... TES cannot be accused of interfering with an an ongoing investigation.

Janet


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Lively Case Discussion #512 8/14 - 8/17/2006
« Reply #195 on: August 15, 2006, 09:11:12 PM »

SunFreak2

TES was going to search 3-5 miles out.  International waters are now 12 miles out as per the 1984 United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (LOS).




1.  A while back I believe it was revealed on this forum that the search was in international waters ... outside of Aruban jurisdiction.

2.  Now that the Natalee Holloway case is closed ... Aruba can not accuse the search of interfering in an ongoing investigation.

Janet

Yes Janet...but remember Aruba changes the rules as they go along. It is in their law books that they are allowed  :wink:

I keep forgetting ...  :roll:

I'm confused!  :2doh:

 :smt097 I despise this pervert :-x

Now Shep Smith on Fox is saying the Aruban Prosecutor's Office called them and said to hang on, it's not over yet. 

Then Phil Keating came on and said something but my phone rang and I had to answer it and didn't hear what he said.

.

They want us to be confused Magnolia.  Get frustrated and just walk away.  We're focused.  Driven.  We know the truth.  We'll never walk away.  Never.  Let's crank it up a notch on them.  Justice for Natalee.  God Bless the crew of the R/V Persistence.  I think I'm rambling.  I'm fighting mad.

... and the family of Natalee Holloway is once again forced onto that emotional roller coaster ride from from H---.

Janet

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Earlier today ....

By Margaret Wever
ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:23 a.m. December 18, 2007

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was “terribly disappointed” that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for the mother.
 
“She was very hopeful the last couple weeks and she went down there and met with the prosecutor,” Tillman said. “He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."
 
“So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing,” she said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20071218-1023-aruba-missingteen.html

The Twilight Zone 

Twilight Zone (season 1)
There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man.
It is a dimension as vast as space and timeless as infinity.
It is the middle ground between light and shadow,
between science and superstition,
and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.
This is the dimension of imagination.
It is an area which we call . . . the Twilight Zone.


Twilight Zone (season 2)
You're traveling through another dimension,
a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind;
a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.
That's the signpost up ahead-- your next stop . . . the Twilight Zone!


Twilight Zone (season 3)
You're traveling through another dimension,
a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind;
a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.
Next stop . . . the Twilight Zone!


Twilight Zone (seasons 4&5)
You unlock this door with the key of imagination.
Beyond it is another dimension- a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind.
You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas.
You've just crossed over into . . . the Twilight Zone.

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 aruba will do anything they can to stop/hinder the search IMO....

Well, I can think of three reasons for the reversal....maybe.

1. Public outcry
2.The FBI said: You solve it or we will.
3. I forgot....because I'm confused.

oh lordy it's time to break out the margaritas again.....

Dec 18, 5:58 PM (ET)
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071218/D8TK52700.html
By MARGARET WEVER
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Prosecutors closed their investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, saying Tuesday they still believe three young men were involved in her death but can't prove it after 932 days of searching failed to turn up a body.

The three main suspects in the case were re-arrested last month after prosecutors in Aruba discovered online chat sessions they hoped would break the case open. But none of the men talked in custody, and without the 18-year-old's body, prosecutors said they had no recourse but to close the most notorious missing persons case in the Caribbean.

If the three suspects were put on trial, the lack of evidence "would lead to an acquittal," the Public Prosecutor's Office said in a statement.
Moving Holloway into the cold-case files "is a tough burden to bear" for her parents, they acknowledged, but the prosecutors said they had little choice.
"The public prosecutor's office and the police have gone the extra mile and have exhausted all their powers and techniques in order to solve the mystery of the disappearance of the girl," the statement read.
............

I wonder what time they decided they do have new information and will spill it.....
The media liaison for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over. A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.

The investigation is in a new phase with detectives reviewing new evidence, the media liaison told FOX News.


This is all just barbaric to continue to hurt Natalee's family with the ups and downs...what on earth!!!???

... and the family of Natalee Holloway is once again forced onto that emotional roller coaster ride from from H---.

Janet

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Earlier today ....

By Margaret Wever
ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:23 a.m. December 18, 2007
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Had to go check the date on that to make sure it wasn't a re-run from November. The tail looks to be wagging the dog down on Hell's Island.

This is bizarre.

Amen Sistah!!  We will NEVER give up!  It will never be over until Natalee is brought home and the criminals are punished!!

I don't have any margaritas but have a six pack of Mike's Lemonade if that counts.  You are right.  I am dazed and confused.  These people are crazy.

Muffybee, be sure Tyler sees that post.  She will flip out over it.

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I speculate that Aruba thought better of closing the Natalee Holloway case.  Letting the case become cold is a much wiser approach ... it implies that the corrupt investigation ... that has denied Natalee Holloway justice ... cannot be exposed through the application of the Extradition Treaty that exists between the United States and the Netherlands.

Janet

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http://www.internationalextradition.com/netherlands_bi.htm
When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS


Art Wood
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely.  There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

I think becasue he HAD the goods on joran he was saying it would be unwise for the k2's not to talk....but I think someone got to Mos and probably to the k2's attorneys....tell them not to say a word and they walk outta here...if they talk they go down with joran...then MOS was told ...back off....shut up....you cannot prosecute joran....now if we only knew WHY

hang in there......I am fixing margaritas!! :shock: 

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Where they would be subjected to U.S. judicial system that includes the death penalty for those who take the lives of others, their absolute worst fear and nightmare.

Don't think it will ever happen but there is also a law that provides for legally kidnapping people who commit crimes against Americans.  Was written with terrorists in mind but has been used on I think it was a group of money laundering bankers.  They were put on a plane in Canada and sent to the U.S. with armed guards to stand trial.

Oh, how I wish in this instance but doubt we ever see anything of the sort.  For one thing, Goon was a minor when he committed this crime.  Allegedly.  HA!  Netherlands thinks they can rehabilitate criminals.  1960's mentality for it has already been proven that it is highly unlikely in most instances.

anna add a little vodka or rum to that lemonade...the roller coater is working overtime :shock:  crazy is not a strong enough word for them but if I said what I wanted to I'd get banned for life....CMF's :shock:

Would someone please tell me what is going on? I thought the case was closed today officially?  Have I gone to the dark side and didn't realize it?   Please, someone straighten this out for an old lady like me.  :roll:

I just remembered #3..the family said that they would take lesser charges.

BUMPED

Earlier today ...

Timeline in Natalee Holloway Case

By The Associated Press – 3 hours ago

Significant events in the investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway:

_ May 30, 2005: Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old American on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, is last seen in public leaving a bar with three local men — hours before she is scheduled to board a plane back home to Alabama.

_ June 6, 2005: Hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, police and FBI agents spread out across the island to search for the missing teen. Later efforts would include more volunteers, teams of divers, Dutch F-16 jets equipped with search equipment and specially trained dogs.

_ June 9, 2005: Police arrest the last three people seen with Holloway — Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teen who lives on the island, along with friends Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, two Surinamese brothers.

_ June 17, 2005: Police detain Steve Gregory Croes, 26, a disc jockey on a party boat, on suspicion of involvement in her disappearance. He is later released.

_ June 23, 2005: Paulus van der Sloot, a judge in training on the island and the father of Joran, is arrested on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance. A court orders his release three days later.

_ July 4, 2005: A judge orders the Kalpoe brothers released, ruling there is not enough evidence to hold them.

_ July 26, 2005: Investigators begin draining a pond after a witness claims he saw the three suspects driving in the area the night the teen disappeared. Crews never manage to drain the entire pond and the effort is halted with no evidence found.

_ Aug. 26, 2005: Police re-arrest Satish and Deepak Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in premeditated murder and rape.

_ Sept. 3, 2005: A judge releases van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

_ Jan. 16, 2006: Police search sand dunes on the northwest coast of Aruba, an area police had searched in the past and regarded as a place of interest.

_ April 15, 2006: Aruban authorities arrest a 19-year-old on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance, but release him without charges nine days later.

_ May 17, 2006: Authorities in the Netherlands detain a young man identified only as Guido W., a casino croupier at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying. He is released after six days.

_ April 27, 2007: Investigators from the Netherlands dig around the home of Joran van der Sloot's family for two days.

_ May 12, 2007: Dutch and Aruban investigators visit the home where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents for what authorities termed an "inspection."

_ Nov. 21, 2007: Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes are re-arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. Prosecutors later release all three, saying they did not provide any new information under interrogation.

_ Dec. 18, 2007: Prosecutors announce they are closing the investigation.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h0wBPl8fU2q5tWtyyqv97goglA5QD8TK3U4O0
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I am looking at "Natalee Holloway"  Google News and there isn't any retraction of the case being closed-yet.  But I saw this. 

Because Paulus' buddy Rudy Croes says so.  I think they were in some shady deal with visas and those sex slaves Croes was holding against their will.  Maybe Paulus in charge of visas or some how assisted him in that or in getting out of trouble over it.  Rudy says the last arrest would never have taken place had he known about it beforehand.

Rudy Croes and Nelson Oduber have decided that this investigation will never go forward and they will not allow prosecution of these thugs no matter what.  I still think the kids may have photos of some of those adults in hotels and things like that as was on front page of Jossy's paper one time.  Elders having sex with minors and young girls.  Then nothing more about that either.

MSM!

Wake up MSM!  Connect the dots...

Trace the source of the first story...was it a leak?  maybe a planted story from within the prosecutor's office to see here the leaks are coming from? 

Grab a good seat and some popcorn, folks, I think this is more than a roller coaster ride but a full-length cat and rat docudrama that promises lots of action!!!

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You're being much too kind here, Nut. Barbaric is what happened 2 1/2 years ago. They've far exceeded that since. :wink:

The rats are running in circles now...LOL

I agree Hiker. So is the case open or closed and if still open, why is MSM reporting it closed? Typical BS from Aruba...

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Come on Paulus...fess up...hat were you REALLY saying to Nat in that Casino Video... She seems so turned off from it that she instinctively moved away from you... Look at the Video, Paulus...Now, if we only had the missing audio from that table, right?  Where did you have them hide that, Paulus?

Well, It's Mike's HARD Lemonade, 5% alcohol by volume but if you insist. . . in goes the vodka, lol.

How stupid can the government of Aruba get?
The case is closed and is headlines all over the world.
Then it is not closed all in the same day.

Sounds like the old there's been a confession thing
all over again.

I just got home and realize people are mad about what happened today and I am not fully caught up so I might have missed something but I'm am going to just get this off my chest.  I may be taking this wrong but this is one nasty post.  If people ask questions over and over is it that hard to answer them again.  I don't remember everything I read and I don't find it a problem to give the same answer if it was said before.  When someone is looking for a particular quote or a picture I am happy to try and help even if they ask the same questions over and over.

I'm stepping away from the computer right now because I am mad and disappointed.

Am I the only one hearing this about not being closed?  Maybe I am BUI!   :shock:

Lala ... keep in mind ... in Aruba ... official releases to the media mean absolutely nothing.  Official releases to the media are made and .. then retracted ... denied.

Janet

++++++

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.


Rudy Croes
FOX NEWS
June 12, 2005

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes  told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made

that all makes perfect sense Anna.....it had to come from HIGH up...it had to be stopped by people that COULD stop it....IIRC Oduber said he wasn't told BEFORE and about the arrests

LOL LOL...Anna I love you!!  but you know that already!!

 ok monkeys and all of America and decent folks worlwide,Now is the time to demand that our goverment amd the fbi get full information and involvement in the case of Natalee Holloway including extradition of the perps and papa vandersloot who know what happened but refuse to tell.  It is incomprehensable that the prosecuter in aruba and the powers that be refuse to convict these perps of a crime against Natalee.  They are sure she is dead but because the perps took the fifth they are letting them go free.  This is bull shit. If they know she is dead then they also know how and who did it.  The misinformation campaign bullshit stops here.  They dont want to prosecute but we must coerce our government into demanding justice for an american daughter gone missing or dead as per the aruban prosecutors. They know the ale knows the perps and the father knows. and now we all know.  Write the state department, your local and county officials, state official. The FBI, Condi Rice , every politician past and prexent anyone and everyone,no petitions =too impersonal, Bombard government offices with handwritten letters more personal in spelling out our outrage and disgust in how this case has been treated.  Maybe we should do the same with aruban and dutch goernment, Queen beatrice herself millions are incensed and outraged thru out yhis world.  We must let our voices tell that this will no longer be tolerated and our patience is now gone,demand action for the sake of justice and decency.  Hey remember the boston tea party they heard the multitude of voices and action followed.We must put our writing skills where aour mouths are.can ya just imagine half or even 1 million letters and what it could do in the rifght hands.  this aint over till Natalle is brought home and Aruba well ==they may have to sink into the ocean or try changing thier name....ok im finished with my rant but my writing campaign starts now. I pray others will follow the same couse till our goals are met.

That was the first explanation I had ever read..and I still don't know who they are/were etc......now you just come right back here....

The media liaison for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over. A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.The investigation is in a new phase with detectives reviewing new evidence, the media liaison told FOX News.
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I am not buying any of this..PURE BS.They will announce their is simply  not enough evidence to convict anyone and they spent millions in the investigation and search efforts. They have 12 years to find new evidence and there suspicions remain on the 3 suspects. They will continue to investigate but everyone will be released as suspects. They did everything they could so please visit Aruba and forget about the girl.

The only millions they spent was using dirty drug money to protect the Perps,Corrupt Officials and their precious Tourism. They cannot and will not solve this case or bring the truth out in a trial unless the Cover Up is revealed. They have no intention of ever doing that and they are betting no one else can prove otherwise. They will continue with the books,the 800 million dollar lawsuits and peddling there tourism to the cattle (Americans)

It's a shame our own Govt didn't defend Natalee the way Aruba defended the Van Der Sloots and Kalpoes. If the U.S. Govt does nothing then it's up to the American people to make a stand. It's extremely important we get organized and educate our fellow americans what really happened. If no one traveled to Aruba the truth would most definetly come out. I would suspect not even the shieldgroup or Dutch Govt could protect Rudy Croes or Paul Van Der Sloot.

They can party it up tonight in Aruba but this is far from over.

thanks *******....I promised never to watch Greta again..guess I will have to break that promise tonight

Anna I am not where I can see/hear the TV...so I am relying on you and others to post what they hear

Posted by Anna on this thread a few pages back.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html


Aruba Investigation Into Disappearance of American Teen Natalee Holloway Is Not Over

Tuesday, December 18, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  Aruban officials have not closed their investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, FOX News learned Tuesday.

The media liason for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over. A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.

Klaas can you grab the gas station video at RU....fast...before it goes poof! Seems it was just uploaded to you tube yesterday...I am watching it now.

I just got home and checked in for the first time since about 3pm Central. WTF???
Don't buy into this crappola again!!!! The case IS closed (just as it has been for 2 1/2 years.)
These people are just totally clueless. They somehow believed they could simply announce the case was closed and resume on and their tourism would bounce back. They saw the immediate OVER-WHELMING reaction (even from those they THOUGHT were on their side such as Shep) and paniced.
Well, it's too late!!!!

I'll say it again --
"I don't care if they build a monument to J2K in townsquare or actually hang all of them TOMORROW -- I'm DONE with Aruba. No "do overs"!!!!!!

These people are freaks...that is soooo NOT NATALEE. Are they blind as well as dumb???????

Already did and I'm uploading to photobucket right now  :wink:

The Van Der Sloot's are contemplating a civil suit..I guess when you are backed by your own Govt you can say or do just about anything. The FBI and American Govt need to speak up..This just can't get anymore distrubing.

Well, Anna, if you have the vodka, have a lemon drop martini!  so yummy...kind of makes the world look better.  :silent: :lol:

Someone posted the gas station video at RU.  It was just uploaded to youtube 12/17/07.  I copied it and uploaded to photobucket in case it disappears from Youtube. Odd it shows up now.  Definately not Natalee IMO:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/th_YouTube-NataleeHollowayisALIVE.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/?action=view&current=YouTube-NataleeHollowayisALIVE.flv)

SIGH - thanks ******* :sad:

I am trying to figure out if the prosecutors office actually said the case was closed earlier today, or the defendants were released as suspects.  It sure as hell sounded like the case was closed.   :smt102 :smt102 :smt102 :2brickwall:

It sounds like there might be a power struggle going over on that out house island.. I assume everyone knows what happen but one side thats in power don't want to exposed the crime and hope it goes away and those that want it exposed for whatever reason.. I believe they all have hidden agenda's over there but do hope that Beth and Dave get some answers.  Its always been about the time shares and money on that island and those that control those don't want it exposed but hopefully with the drop of their income and the timeshares that they can't give away they had enough and will allowed the evidence to come out because of the above.. Even if they do charged these guys or whatever I will never want anyone I know to go to that outhouse that poses as an island.. They knew what happen the first day it happen and I do believe it has happen many times before, only this time it didn't go as plan with the reaction from us.. 

td

I agree...not a short in hell...they are drinking that kool-aid again!!

Let them file...then they have to come to the USA.....  I'd love to see some good ole' boys do some whoop ass on them.....Alabama Style!!!

Well at least they found a blonde under 40 this time not wacked out on coke. Probably 20 lbs heavier than NH and definetly not her.

Thanks...I do not know how to post vids.
This retraction of the closed case comes shortly after John Gibson's show on Fox...he was bashing Aruba...wish we could find that transcript or video so you all could see it.

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:22 pm 
 
Case is seponed (acc. to Dutch media)

Because of the unclear reports; case closed/not closed, hereby what the Dutch media have reported and an explanation.

The Natalee Holloway case is seponed acc. to the Dutch media.

Nos - 6 uur geleden
De Arubaanse justitie seponeert de zaak tegen de drie verdachten van de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway wegens gebrek aan bewijs.

Elsevier - 6 uur geleden
Het Openbaar Ministerie op Aruba heeft de zaak tegen de verdachten in de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway geseponeerd

NOS Headlines - 6 uur geleden
De zaak tegen de verdachten van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway komt niet meer voor de rechter. Justitie heeft de zaak geseponeerd

DePers.nl - 6 uur geleden
De Arubaanse justitie seponeert de zaak tegen de drie verdachten van de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway wegens gebrek aan bewijs.

Hans Mos last week: Na nieuw onderzoek zette het Openbaar Ministerie de drie onlangs toch weer vast ... We gaan ons nu beraden of we de zaak doorzetten of seponeren", zegt Mos.

To sepone a case (een zaak seponeren) means: to shelve an affair, to file and dispose of a case definitely, although unsolved.

When a case is seponed normally the suspects cannot be prosecuted for the crime they were suspected of anymore, but since acc to the same media who report the case being seponed, the OM insists that if any new evidence will surface the three suspects still can be prosecuted so it seems there are conditions in the sepot or the sepot being informal (see later on).

The family of Natalee can petition to the HOF against the sepot, and if the HOF will rule in their favor the OM will then be forced to prosecute.
But looking at what Dave Holloway said acc. to AD, it seems they will not petition the sepot, since he prefers a sepot above acquittal (vrijspraak).

If there has been an act of prosectution then the sepot is formal, if not the sepot is informal.

If for example the arrests and interrogations of the suspects are considered acts of prosecution, then the sepot is formal, if the arrests and interrogations are considered acts of investigation (they were never charged) then the sepot is informal, and the OM in principle can turn back the sepot, unless the suspects when informed about the sepot have been given the trust that they will not be prosecuted (so that would depend both upon if acts of prosecution have taken place, and how the suspects were informed, maybe Dugo has a better on this).

Here you can read more about a sepot sepot (scroll to halfway for English)

http://dissertaties.ub.unimaas.nl/abstract/10258.pdf

Hopefully the Press Conference of the OM will explain more clear tomorrow. 

Well, at least they are going to cover the search!!! I know it is Greta, but at least the word is getting out that we haven't given up in finding Natalee!

will somebody please post a link to this video? 
dennisintn

I don't know.  But when I Google New "Natalee Holloway", there is a list of news agencies carrying stories about the case being closed.   

Well I wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a Merry Christmas..

I feel so totally jerked around by these creeps!  The investigation is closed.  The investigation is far from over.  If someone you know was doing this to you in person, what would your reaction be?

Well, they are doing it once removed.  I am beginning to suspect it of deliberate and they are truly toying with our emotions and those of this family in a very cruel and callous manner more or less for their own enjoyment the way some sickos pull wings off butterflies and such.

No wonder these PIMP thugs don't know right from wrong.  Look at the examples set for they by not only their parents and elders but their highest officials.  Guess Joran learned the drugging at his father's knee from their doing it to Alex Matthews.

This is all so wrong.  They are truly dysfunctional and I suspect half those in charge may be cocaine addicts to the extent they don't know what they are doing.

A blonde girl walks into a convenience store. So what? If you believe that is Natalee you have to believe that is Paulus in the casino because that guy looks a lot more like Paulus than that girl looks like Natalee.

Informal sepot - got it.  Aruba blows.

dennis ~  here is the link.  I just clicked on the picture Klaas posted, which she had saved to her photobucket.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/?action=view&current=YouTube-NataleeHollowayisALIVE.flv

hi Terry...good to see you...I agree with your power struggle point.....so far the power IN aruba is winning.....and Natalee's family suffers

Klaas, it was obvious to me that the video was taken after the fact. Notice how the girl always kept her head down and the cap covered her face and she never looked up?  Obvious it was not Natalee to me.  Appears staged to me.

terry ~  it was great to see you here again.  We've been through thick and thin with this case, haven't we?  Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to you too.  I hope we see you back here before then, though  :smt052

Sounds like Immunity..Something the Dutch and Arubans have gave the perps since June 2005.

The same to you and yours  Terry....all the Blessings of the Season

TerryD - great to see you!  Happy Holiday and Merry Christmas to you too!

No way that is Natalee.
Natalee has a large birthmark on her shoulder that is
visible from a distance.

We can only HOPE :wink:

Keepthefaith.Good will win out over Evil in the end!!!!

merry Christmas and happy new year to you Terry!!! Hugs!!!!!!

I'm enjoying the holidays and it seems that lots of positive energy is happening to me and I really hope that something good happens for us here so we can all know that sometimes good things happen when enough people care.. So I just have to keep positive thoughts that Dave and Beth will get some answers if not justice from Aruba.. I just wish that the US would of been more forceful in helping Beth and Dave, this would of been a good cause and I would assume an honest political person would of taken it, umm honest.. O'Well I guess I answered my own question..

Hi terryd!!!

Well said. And sad.

 :2thinky: Now that is an interesting theory.....

Terry!!  I hope you have the merriest of Christmas'... you deserve all the joy that is available for one person!  Hugs!

thank you very much, miss muffybee.  just looked, and it isn't natalee, not even close.
dennisintn

It is very clear to me .... Aruba did an about face.  Why?  Nobody knows.  We do not understand Dutch law.

Janet

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EARLIER TODAY - CASE CLOSED - NO NEW EVIDENCE!

From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html


TWO HOURS AGO - CASE NOT CLOSED - NEW EVIDENCE!

Aruba Investigation Into Disappearance of American Teen Natalee Holloway Is Not Over
Tuesday, December 18, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  Aruban officials have not closed their investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, FOX News learned Tuesday.

The media liason for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over.  A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.

The investigation is in a new phase with detectives reviewing new evidence, the media liason told FOX News.

I been dating a lady that puts tours together and believe me I told her how I feel about Aruba and hopefully she will think twice before she sends any travel agents to Aruba..  I'm pretty vocal and most people know that I don't usually feel this strong about anything unless I did my research and I'm sure that like me most of you have done the same.. So hopefully this will save someone elses the heart ache that Dave and Beth and us have gone through..  The island is a vacant island in my mind and isn't worth the effort to be on the map..  Umm maybe they can changed their name, isn't that what a marketing person would do..  I think its too late for anything they do now to save their investment on that island and if I was an investor I would of left long time ago..

td

I know that Lazlo is usually right, but how can there be a sepot
if they are going to reveal new evidence on Thursday?
I hope Paulus is sweating again.

Indeed. This sepot business appears to override any statute of limitations that exist - just wipe the slate clean at the conclusion of an investigative period. The NH case being identified as an *informal sepot* indicates that the statute of limitations will apply, but also gives the impression that at any moment the suspects can become immune due to any number of reasons that we are not worthy to be informed of at this time.

How about "ArubaZuela"

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ArubaZuela2.jpg)

or SkruAruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

Good Night to all.....I am going to watch greta.....breaking a promise to myself...TTYL...everyone be well and don't give up hope or prayers that Natalee will be brought home

Well I need to do some work but like many of you I have always had my thoughts and hopes that we would get some answers and some justice.. So I assume that they can changed the name to Sloots & Kalpoes Island where nightmares are reality..  It would of taken just one honest person in charged on that island to have stopped the games on that island.. I would of thought that there would of been at least one person that could of stopped the games, since everyone knows what they did is wrong.. I would think the Sloots would of been ostersised from those that had any decency or class on that island.. I just don't understand it and I guess thats the problem, its not something anyone with a conscience would understand..

Lazlo is only reporting Dutch news.  The Dutch news could be wrong just like American news can be wrong.

Klaas ~  I think that SkruAruba design would make a great T-Shirt and/or bumper sticker. :thumleft:

The new evidence will be the old evidence that was looked at again and the new phase will be 'cold case', not case closed.

Nut ~  You sound like you are starting to understand their system.  That's skeery... :shock:

Sunny ~  I guess you will do what you gotta do... :cool:  Let us know what you think of the show, okay?

Hard to believe that Mos is -literally- going to reveal new evidence, but who knows? Maybe he so angry at all the criticism re the re-arrest that he will spill the beans.

I agree!  I do think we should wait until we hear what MOS has to say on Thursday, also best to wait until TES is done with their search.  After that, I say let's get it on some t-shirts and sweatshirts!  Need Red's approval first  :wink:

igs ~  It would be hard to believe Mos is going to reveal new evidence.  But hey, there is always hope, right?  I'm thinking there is some infighting going on and I would just love it if someone would take it upon themselves over there on Aruba to tell all.

Another vote for SkruAruba  >  that's the best 1.   :cool:

Regarding that video at the convenience store...I believe I've seen that before....maybe not the video but stills from it....long ago....maybe I'm hallucinating....closed, not closed....

Was interested in the comments at 24ora under the article...tried translating...has anyone seen any comments there that support the family?  Just curious.

yep didnot mos say he promised the boys  he would noy prosecute and deadline to this xase was dec 07, sounds like immunity, but heres whats pissi, me off he said he had enough evidence to have them convicted and he LIED IT WAS ALL A SHAM.  Disgusting
COWARDS all of them. The Hague supposed to be the leader in law and justice the world side court.  MORE LIKE COWARDLY BULLSHITTERS no they should not be world court they are more criminal rhan the perps to let them get away with the BULLSHIT they are trying to hoodwink us with.

Okay Klaas.  I've waited this long, so I can wait to hear what Mos has to say on Thursday.  And though there are naysayers on the deep water search, I hope Natalee can be recovered, if she is there.  I'm not a fair weather monkey.  I'm in for the long haul.  Justice for Natalee.  SkruAruba...lol  :lol: :lol:

Mark my words  ....... the hole they dug for themselves will only get deeper on Thursday.  :-|

John Gibson discusses the announcement
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php

Shepard Smith discusses the announcement
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l1x-ExZBwGk

I am sorry San.  I did not realize that you did not know that Simian was believed to be Clyde Burke of ALE.  That is not my discovery...I am not smart enough to determine that.  And I also thought everyone knew that Gabe Leo was big buds with Albert Groenveldt and Claudio Etheridge and more than likely wrote all that they relayed to him after he left Aruba. They all worked together.  I am sorry, I truly thought you guys knew this.  I never meant it to sound the way it was written after reading my words again...it does indeed sound harsh.  I am sorry.

Is John Gibson's in the discussion area? 

Now we are getting somewhere and what has the Hague been allowing all these years and suddenly have decided to clean it up.  There is a bingo in here for someone and there is someone who used to post here who knows it all (in fact at least 2 somebodys (and hey, SMS, it's not you, you don't even know jack or what he does) and they know all about this, they know a lot) and a lot of people know a lot and some people are afraid of what they know.

It is Pauly who is Mos' Press Person and I don't believe a word
Pauly says.  He is the one who said that new evidence will
be released at the press conference on Thursday.

Sounds like Baghdad Bob is running PR for Aruba now.  (That, or 2 faced Dompig is back)

Hey monkwys Jossys front page says member of parliment has bought and funded a housr of prostitution in punto fijo venezuela.  states disgusting that any public figure in govt would do this, Is seeking confirmation of persons name but has not let it out in media till confirmation on the officials name is reached.  States house of prostitution also has young girls in it.  Will keep reading but couldnt bring post over, can anyone else doit/

Lala, I had no idea either.  thanks for the information. 

[quote The new evidence will be the old evidence that was looked at again and the new phase will be 'cold case', not case closed.
[/quote]

dang, nut, you sounded downright arubanized the way you said that.
dennisintn

UN POLITICO DI ARUBA LO  CUMPRA UN BAR DI
PROSTITUCION NA VENEZUELA

ORANJESTAD (AAN) Ultimo simannan ta circula rumornan encuanto un politico di Aruba kende lo a cumpra un bar di prostitucion na Venezuela.

   Tin algun politico di Aruba cu ta bay frecuentemente venezuela pero no ta conoci den e caso aki si ta trata di politico den gobierno , den oposicion of uno cu ta pafor di parlamento of te hasta kizas un politico kende no ta activo mas den politica.

  Ta worde papia di un politico pero un politico por referi na varios hende pasobra no necesariamente un politico mester ta den gobierno, den parlamneto of ta forma parti di un partido politico pasobra cualkier persona cu ta tene su mes ocupa cu politica den e sentido amplio di e palabra por yama su mes politico debi cu na a titulo di politico no tin un estudio mara.

  Segun rumornan e politico encuestion lo tabata tin un bar di prostitucion caba riba su nomber of riba nomber di un madams na Venezuela pero awor e lo a dicidi di ampliasu imperio financiero y di prostitucion.

  Berguensa lo bay ta si bin sali afor cu lo ta trata di un politico kende ta parlamentario, ministro of un persona cu activamente ta tene su mes ocupa cu politica na Aruba.

   Tin nomber cu ta circula riba caya pero mientras no tin confirmacion cada ken mester ta cuateloso pa punta dede riba hende sin mas.

  Keda pendiente pasobra tin algun hende hopi rabia cu mal maneho na Aruba y nan lo a bisa bon cl cu nan lo bin cu prueba y basha abao riba actonan di bagamunderianan cu lo ta tumando lugar na Punto Fijo unda cu te hasta mucha muhernan menor di edad lo ta den wega di sex cu un of mas politico di mal ehempel di Aruba.
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Real Rough Translation

one politico of aruba will cumpra one bar of prostitucion at venezuela oranjestad (aan) ultimo simannan is circula rumornan encuanto one politico of aruba that will owing to cumpra one bar of prostitucion at venezuela. have some politico of aruba cu is bay frecuentemente venezuela but do not conoci in the caso here if is deal of politico in gobierno come across, in oposicion or uno cu is abroad of parliament or till even kizas one politico that do not activo more in politica. is worde talk of one politico but one politico can referi at several person because not necesariamente one politico have to is in gobierno, in parlamneto or is form part of one faction politico because cualkier person cu is as his self ocupa cu politica in the sense amplio of the word can calling his self politico debi cu at owing to titulo of politico not have one study mara. according rumornan the politico encuestion will was have one bar of prostitucion end on his name or on name of one madams at venezuela but now the will owing to dicidi of ampliasu empire financiero y of prostitucion. berguensa will bay is if come leave afor cu will is deal of one politico that is member of parliament, ministro or one person cu activamente is as his self ocupa cu politica at aruba. have name cu is circula on caya but while not have confirmacion cada that have to is cuateloso for punta finger on person without more. stay pendiente because have some person much angry cu bad maneho at aruba y they will owing to tell good cl cu they will come cu proof y pour abao on actonan of bagamunderianan cu will is tumando lugar at sharp fijo where cu till even child muhernan younger of edad will is in game of sex cu one or more politico of bad ehempel of aruba.

Of course, it is Rudy Croes who is so involved in bringing these Venezuelan women into Aruba under the pretense of "jobs."  Oh, right.  He learned how to do that in Holland right?  Amsterdam Special, shine its ever lovin' light on you.

Kyle/Ocean said that Jossy would have an interesting
article in the next Diario.  He asked for a translation
to be sent to his blog.  Reckon that is it?

Minister Lee raped a lady and nothing was ever done either. If Jossy really wants to tell all then he will tell everyone about the Sexparty's that the elders have and why they are protecting the Van Der Sloot. I think he is on the right track as it shows a little bit of how sick and distorted this Govt is. Up to there eyeballs in Prostitution,Drugs,Money Laundering and covering up murders.

Lala, I had no idea  either.  :oops:  Thanks for spelling it out for us.   You probably told us several times at least in your posts over time.   I don't want you to think your posts have been for naught.  You've studied and been into that area of Shango/Simian it's like second nature to you, perhaps.  I enjoy reading your posts, but I need some remedial help with Shango/Simian.  I do well to follow along, and sometimes what might be very clear to someone else isn't as apparent to me.  Gosh, we've gone around and around with so much in the past 2 1/2 years.  So much information/disinformation.  So many theories.  :roll: I hope there can be justice for Natalee and the truth will be revealed. 

Taco was on H&C. Samol Samol > Sporter is no longer a suspect but remains delicious.

Thank you for the report, Igs.   I liked the "Samol Samol"   :smt069 

Okay.  Wait.  I didn't like "Samol Samol".  :2doh: I wish we had news of something good and new.  I just liked the way you phrased it, Igs. 

It's OK Lala's.  I know people enjoy reading how you connect Simian and Shango to certain posts and I just didn't want them to feel like they couldn't ask you questions.

Have a good night everyone.

When is the last time anyone in Aruba was convicted of a Rape? Apparently it's legal to drug and rape someone or drain there bank account under Aruban law.

Are you going San?  If so, goodnight to you.   :smt111

When your Minister of Justice is also the Pimpmaster General (aka Rudy Croes) anything is to be expected.

The prosecutors in this case are so deceptive they come out Thanksgiving and they say they have enough evidence to go forward with a trial on manslaughter and there is new evidence.

Now the case is dropped, because they say there isn't enough evidence and there wasn't any new evidence.

What a bunch of idiots. Can you imagine the pain Natalee's parents go through when the Aruba prosecutors and authorities lie and deceive the public AND NATALEE'S FAMILY?

The entire legal system and the prosecutors and investigation has became a complete and utter joke.  They are about as dumb as a box of owl poop.

Taco lies whenever he references case facts. Every time...without fail.

Hans promised JQK he could see the whole case file.

I know this isn't relevant, but I thought Jug and Beth were divorced? Are they back together? Or on good terms?

But I agree with Jug 100% Paulus helped them cover up the crime, I remember hearing it reported that when Beth confronted him he was sweating so much his wife had to get him a towel to wipe the sweat that was literally draining from his head.

He aint never had anyone call him on his bull crap before!

I bet there are missing files...wonder if they can be released to the public?

What did JQK have to promise in return?

I'm thinking back to some photos of lots of cardboard boxes at the courthouse in Aruba, which I thought were records regarding Natalee's case.  Do any of you monkeys remember that? 

what's happening on Greta? I refuse to watch.

so glad u got it copied I went back to look fror it at the online paper and it dissapeared from the front page, wrote Jossy to let him know we have seen it am awaiting a responce from him if he can give one, will post it if and when recieved. sl

Interesting question.  You are fast on the draw, Magnolia :lol:  Why would Hans let JQK see the whole case file, without something in return?  Or maybe that was Hans Mos' intent in the first place:  Offer up what he calls the whole case file for some deal?

I thought that too, but I guess I was wrong.  :roll:

maybe so but i have the notion jossy is going to have lots of blorbs letting out bits of info at a time. article from front page has now been pulled. sl

lol, igsigs, you've got the taco pegged just right.  he has never been interviewed about this case without telling about something that jvds himself or paulus hadn't all ready been proved to be lying about.  sometimes he even crosses up his own tales of fancy. 
dennisintn

sure do there were so many it had to be brought out on a flat cart, they were bundeled at least 6-7 boxes high and wide. maybe klass has the photo?

I saw a picture, pretty big. It was a pic of what the KLPD took back to Holland. Can't remember how many kilos, it was almost as big as Dennis Jacobs. LOL 

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Why would the charging of three punks make such a differenece to Rudy Croes ? Paulus used to work for Rudy Croes before he went in to judgeship traiing. Paulus was the guy who did the government contracts.
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I was terribly disappointed in today's news, but not surprised at all.
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Take care, mes monkey amies.   

Aruba Investigation Into Disappearance of American Teen Natalee Holloway Is Not Over
Tuesday, December 18, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html

Interesting theory Dr.Hodges has. Not sure If I agree with his timeline though.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/natalee-holloway-watery-grave.html

I watched, You don't want to know.  Let's just say alot of her bloggers are po'd at her comments.  The Natalee supporters that is.  And Michael aka Easy, just left for good, I think!  She lost a ton of credibility, though she did say she gets very upset with the Family bashers, as they have no idea what they went through!   Talk about freakin' "STUCK ON STUPID"!

Greta DID give JQK speak AFTER dumbshit taco for a change.   JQK says MOS promised him the files, Greta can't wait to get her hands on them too!  Forget what WE"VE sent her for over 2 yrs!!!!

Example of what Greta is getting tonight on her Blog

Comment by mark thornblad
December 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Greta Van Sustern is a total idiot. Yes, she is a lawyer and is “book smart” but when it comes to common sense, she is a moron. Greta says after she interviewed Yoran Van der Sloot, she believes he is innocent. How could she come to that conclusion based on that pathetic interview ? Absolutely incompetent is how I would rate her interview.

When she asked Van der Sloot why he lied about the events surrounding the evening that Natalie disappeared, he said he was trying to protect the younger Kalpoe brother. Oh yea ? Protect him from what ?????? That followup question begged to be asked. But did Greata ask the obvious ?? No… What an idiot.

Vandersloot and Deepak Kalpoe lied through their teeth about what happened. They even tried to “blame the black guy”. They accused the black security guard of doing something to Natalie. The only reason Van der Sloot and Kalpoe would lie about what happened is because they know exactly what happened to Natalie. They said they dropped her off at the hotel and she hit her head getting out of the car. Then they said they left her at a beach. At first, they said they never heard of her.

Only a F???ing idiot would believe Van der Sloot after all of those lies.

Yes, Greta Van Sustern is a F’ing idiot.

Mark Thornblad

Aruba Does the Unthinkable … Aruban Prosecutor Closes Natalee Holloway Case … Criminal, Simply Criminal

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/18/aruba-does-the-unthinkable-aruban-prosecutor-closes-natalee-holloway-case-criminal-simply-criminal/

Aruba commits the ultimate crime and closes the Natalee Holloway case. Despicable, simple despicable. Memo to the ALE and Aruban prosecutors office, please do not even pretend that you went the extra mile in this case. All you accomplished was to successfully show that your island is corrupt and you place no value on human life.

Let this be a loud and clear message to all potential vacationers … Aruba does not care what happens to you when you travel to their island. Stalking, praying upon tourists, date rape drugs, assault, and murder are all inconsequential actions when it comes to prosecuting crimes in Aruba. All they care about is protecting their own and you spending your money.

OK, messed up that quote!...it should've said :
Elaine said: Maybe he can actually but some de-greaser with all the money the refugees unleashed posters Collected for his greasy butt! LMAO!
              I know Dayhiker will understand! :2doh:
   Taco-butt couldn't say anything but what he KEEPS saying, because he is a defense attorney. Remember, he defended that McQuire woman who cut up her hubby, and dumped him in the water. It's all he knows how to do...defend guilty assed criminals. But, as I said....he could at least wash that greasy head of his.

Greta just responded on her blog during break, not sure who she is responding to or what she means.

Comment by Greta Van Susteren
December 18th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
the investigation is going on..but the 3 are no longer suspects..i think the distinction is not that big

Dihanna

When it is considered that once the case has been closed ... upon request from Natalee's family ... steps can be initiated by the American administration in regards to investigating the corrupt Aruban investigation which  has denied Natalee Holloway justice ... is it possible that Aruban will not closed the Natalee Holloway case?  Will Aruban allow it to remain open and ... to become a cold case?  The implication ... without FBI involvement ... the eighteen year old American citizen who did not return home from Aruban will become a distance memory.

Janet

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http://www.internationalextradition.com/netherlands_bi.htm
When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
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Art Wood
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely.  There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

Red, that is one thing you gotta LOVE about "google" . Anyone who searches on "google", which millions do, will see all the articles that have been done about Aruba and corruption.  Many of them,right here at Scared Monkeys! Also, anyone that "googles" Natalee Holloway, will see that she disappeared on one unhappy island...never to be seen again. That even though the Dutch have publically stated the three suspects are guilty, they walk free. Remember, It will Always be... SAY ARUBA... THINK NATALEE HOLLOWAY~!

ABC NEWS "Aruba Case Closed"

http://tinyurl.com/2t5mns

Thanks Janet,  I read somewhere the FBI has no right to go in and demand the info.  I hope they can and they DO!

Case is not closed.  The investigation is ongoing.  Case is in "cold case" status and JK2 have been released (for now) as suspects.

NOTHING will ever change that.

*******....bringing this forward, in case you didn't see it...maybe I'm being dense but the link brings me to the bfn index....????  thanks.