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Idstlou and Robot cheated!  :lol:

Everybody make the landing ok?

gwen Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:08 pm    @ RU

CNN's article above has to leave a lot out. The press conference was aired for about 30 minutes in Dutch. I sure hope someone will translate the entire thing... 

I brought this over from the other thread....I can't believe they have this and let them go.....WTF????????????




there was more but i couldn't hear it..something about one of the suspects acting strangely the next and something about a girl one of them talked to in the US (I think)...something about he couldn't ell her what was going on....but?????......I know someone else had to have heard this? 

 :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :cool:

the corruption continues

we will be shocked at what is revealed

OK. Ya'll behave. I'll be away from the computer for just a bit, but will check back in shortly. Let's don't give Klaas reason to believe she can't take a break. Don't spit and pick up all the nanner peels!  :wink:

I see Julia's footprint here already.
http://www.mate1.com/profiles/me/step1/local5?sid=9c03f48c6ae2c436 :shock:

Where is the thread for Jug?  Someone could ask him if he had a translated version of the press conference, and if so, does he know what was contained in this chat session other than the "girl is dead" and does he know "who made that comment" and what other circumstances were therein and when did this chat occur?

Also, who is Automotive Enterprises and who that is involved in this case, works for them legally or otherwise?

Also, what does he know about bifrons on the island?  I hear that he knows a lot.

?? you lost me there...

The popup ads on this site, advertising "singles."  Seems like something Julia would engage in, or maybe that is too mild for an experienced lady such as she.

Amsterdam Hells Angels case dismissed
Thursday 20 December 2007

A long-running court case in which 22 Hells Angels are accused of being part of a criminal organisation has been thrown out by judges in Amsterdam because the public prosecution department broke rules on evidence.

The court has ruled that the public prosecutor broke the law by failing to destroy transcripts of secret recordings of telephone conversations between the accused and their lawyers.

The judges said the public prosecution department had 'seriously... and repeatedly broken the rules'. The seriousness of the charges facing the Hells Angels is less important than the consequences of the department's conduct for society in general, the judges said.

The transcripts should have been destroyed because conversations between lawyers and defendants are confidential and cannot be used in investigations.

News agency ANP reports that Gert Oldekamp, who was in charge of the case against the Hells Angels from 2003 to the beginning of this year, repeatedly refused to destroy the reports.

Last week prosecution department officials told the court that the transcripts had not influenced the investigation.

The court's decision is a severe blow to the public prosecution department which has invested heavily in trying to have the Hells Angels declared an illegal organisation.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/12/hells_angels_case_dismissed_pr.php

Snip

Mos said their re-arrests had been warranted by the circumstantial evidence, including statements from witnesses who said the three behaved strangely in the hours after Holloway vanished at age 18 on May 30, 2005 during an Aruba vacation with her Alabama high school graduating class.

Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

"Unless he finds a body in the bathroom of one of these kids, there's no way in hell they can arrest them anymore." Wix said.

Mos refused to reveal details of other evidence that he said was gathered through new investigative techniques and a listening device planted in one of the suspects' homes. Mos said van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers remain "the primary three persons of interest."

"Any and all leads and new evidence will be investigated," Mos told reporters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071220/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen

Oh, yes and by the way, Mos, the world is round and we actually believe that because there is evidence to that effect, but what evidence do we have that you will do anything but "bloviate."

mos sucks

When was the last time you heard officials  refused to identify? Would it be when officials refused to identify which one of the suspects confessed and was leading them to the body back in june 2005? It's like caveman law,who in the hell says you cant prosecute without a body? This is exactly why you have trials,so the truth comes out..

Thread for Jug is in Natalee Hollow area.  Link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2460.msg319319#new

probably the person that said she is dead,  is all 3 of them
because they were discussing it in a conversation

mos sucks

"We refuse to identify the perp because we would then have to admit why we are letting them free." ..... Bizarro World  :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmeFC6pXyGY

MOS IS A POS!  :-?

It was Joran. It's always Joran.

20 times DRUGGED & RAPED INNOCENT TOURISTS

21st time DRUGGED, RAPED & MURDERED TOURISTS NATALEE HOLLOWAY

WHO WILL BE NEXT????????????????????

thank you Carpe

Dec. 20: MSNBC discusses email hours after Natalee dissapeared.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/#22344680

Dat heeft justitie donderdag bekendgemaakt. Aanleiding voor de bekendmaking was het besluit dinsdag van de Holloway-zaak een 'cold case' te maken.

Een nieuwe getuige vertelde in juni dat zij nog geen zes uur nadat Holloway in 2005 voor het laatst levend was gezien, een telefoontje kreeg van een van de drie ex-verdachten. Zij merkte aan zijn stem dat er iets aan de hand was, vertelde zij aan het vernieuwde onderzoeksteam met Nederlandse rechercheurs.

Toen ze vroeg of er iets aan de hand was, antwoordde hij dat hij haar niet in moeilijkheden wilde brengen. „Wat er is gebeurd, kan ik niet over de telefoon vertellen”, zou hij haar hebben geantwoord.

Verder was er een verklaring van iemand die het gedrag van een van de drie een dag na de verdwijning van Holloway beschreef. Ook die leverde 'indirect bewijs' op voor het OM. „Ook bijkomend bewijs is bewijs”, aldus hoofdofficier van justitie Hans Mos. Voor de rechter was dat onlangs echter niet voldoende om de bewaring van de drie nog langer te gelasten.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2848329/_OM_had_twee_nieuwe_getuigen_Holloway-zaak__.html


Translation


That has announced justice Thursday.  Causes for the notification was the decision Tuesday of the Holloway-affair a 'cold case' to make. 

A new witness told in June that they yet no six hour after Holloway in 2005 for the most last time living had been seen, a telephone got of an of the three ex-suspected.  She noticed on its voice that there something at the hand was, told they at the renewed investigation team with Dutch detectives. 

When she asked or there something at the hand was, answered he that he her not in difficulties want to bring. "What there is happened, can I not over the telephone tell", will he her answered. 

Further there was described an explanation of someone that the behavior of an of the three a day after the disappearance of Holloway.  Also that furnished 'indirect proof' on for it. "Also additional proof is proof", according to head officer of justice Hans Moss.  For the judge was that recently however not sufficient round the preservations of the three yet longer to order. 

probably it said

"i know she  is dead cause my father told me she was dead because he moved her"


but under aruba law, a person is allowed to change text messages until it sounds better - the only thing about the law is you can only change your text messages
10 times and then it becomes more difficult because you have to pay the judge
more money to get more chances to change your text messages  :-x

what an absolute HELL HOLE that place is

this will KILL TOURISM even more


thank you MOS

Mos is helping in some ways and he is hurting in others

GET off the pole MOS

SPILL IT  ALL 

"Well, she was going to die anyway and she was all vegged out, acting strange, gurgling, so my dad just shot her with that gun you gave him, you know the one..."

LOL.    :lol:

JVDS: "To your question of how expensive it is to pay the judge after the tenth time I change my text message I can say that for me it is not expensive.  My father has an open account with the judges and he works off what we owe.  I don't have to pay anything myself"

Yup, they dig themselves a hole and proceed to dig it deeper with every press conference.
Mos is NEVER gonna expose anyone.

They say we don't understand their system. I disagree. We understand that their system protects the perps and with that said......
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So true, unfortunately.  God bless you all and may you have the best Christmas ever.  .  .  No friends like friends who believe justice is next to godliness.

Towards the end of this clip the reporter says that in the polis car tape Joran says he hopes they find her alive.  If I remember correctly Joran said he would laugh if they found the girl alive.  Anyone else remember this?

Time to break out the tourism shows and anti-Aruba signs, tags, rubber stamps, pamphlets and pictures of BonDia, Aruba Today, the pictures of the "massage" parlors (aka whore houses) and all the great sites found on the island, such as dead animals, garbage, half-dressed islanders with smoking drugs, hanging out at tourist sites and the choller houses.

Okay Monkeys,

Can your talented members design a t-shirt demanding an Aruba boycott now?? I'm ready to buy, buy, buy way up here in snowy Illinois.

Darivah

Yes he did say that. Deepak also said you will get 15 years if they find the girl. Also said if they find the girl they will see the sh**.

In this interview the reporter says later they may release who said Natalee was dead a lilttle bit later.

MOS sucks
If stupidity was illegal, Aruba would be on death row :cool:

Thanks *******- Too bad reporters don't actually understand what their reading sometimes. Didn't she say that the hardrive  had an email talking about Natalee being dead. Maybe the reporter didn't catch that email is prior to her even being reported as missing.

IMO it might be best to wait until the ocean search has concluded.  Then I say go for it!


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Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

Yep, that's how I remember it went.  Once again, the media gets it wrong.  They need to stop getting their information from Tacoboy.

I hope they do release the name of the one who said that.  It's not like releasing it will actually harm the prosecution since they never intended to prosecute anyway.

Http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0     (PARTIAL see link for transcript in whole?
      
Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you. Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Satish: We didn't declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what. All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Joran: Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot because of you.
Joran: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.

Posted by Glenda/Renfro at RU:

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They are not stupid...hell, I wish they were.  It would be easier to stomach this if I believed they were just plain stupid.  But they aren't.  They know exactly what they are doing down there.  They are just pissed that they didn't pull the proverbial wool over our eyes.

Add that to the fact that they tried to destroy the hardrive so you could access the email on it. Still its not a crime. :2doh:

Why wait for the ocean search to end??? When they find Natalee it will just prove the boycott was justified even more! Finding Natalee does NOT get Aruba off the hook.

Yes,they did..I think they have new technology to recover what was originally destroyed in that HD. Tons and Tons of circumstantial evidence and witnesses but they still claim caveman law that they can't prosecute without a body. If they do find Natalee's body then they will claim it has nothing to do with their clients. That will be hard to do when they find her skull fractured and they look at all the early PV'S about JK2 saying she fell and hit her head and PVDS telling two people she hit her head and drowned.

I said when this search first began that if they find a body Aruba will claim Beth had it planted there.  Taco has already started this crap.

Did they ever retest the inside of Deepak's (and Joran's) car for blood?

July 11, 2005 Jossy Mansur "Joran Confessed 2nd day in detention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvT5bXzcmg

So many unanswered questions. Like what is the physical evidence found on the VCB shirt that links to this case? How about the styraphone with teeth marks? Did they fingerprint the sunglasses found with those two items? How about the Bloody Mattress? How about the material that looks like Natalee's top? Bones found? Blood in the trunk of Deepak's car? I have the feeling all of this is gone forever (  Have they re-interviewed Robert Werner in Brazil or the female teacher and ask them what the hell PVDS told them about Natalee hitting her head and drowning? Surely he had to tell them where Natalee was if she died!!

They are not idiots,Its a cover up!!

I feel like the blame for this rests squarely on Anudder, who most assuredly has absolutely low standards and poor morals. One thing is for certain, Anudder will never win "Mother of the Year" even though Urine wins "Mother fo**er Of The Year" hands down. Yes, I think Anudder is just a focking sorry sloot. Anudder, be sure to tell Urine you love him every time you see him, because as the Reynolds learned, you never know when you say goodbye to him if it is the last time you will see him alive or not. Life is fleeting and unpredictable.

Mos has rested everything on the fact that there is no body and thus in fact there can be no crime (hmm ... where have we heard those words before?) Now we hear that one of the suspects say that she was dead. The fact that they need an actual body shows just what a Neanderthal country and legal system they have.

"Unless he finds a body in the bathroom of one of these kids, there's no way in hell they can arrest them anymore." Wix said.

I do not need to see JVDS's lips moving to know he is talking and thus lying.

These people know damn well that Natalee is dead and who did it. Simple deductive reasoning and putting 1 and 1 together is impossible to do in the anti-world. In Aruba it would appear that 1+1 = 5

Yup,Strange that Jossy or anyone else in Aruba never speaks of the confession. I guess they want everyone to forget about this. We saw in the police tapes it was Deepak who accused Joran of mentioning burying. I am convinced this is the real deal.


“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen hutsIt could be deduced that he doesn’t remember precisely where, but in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts, the elder Kalpoe brother buried Natalee. He told police that he would cooperate but that didn’t last long.

As for the Kalpoe Brothers, they also made fun of our authority because they simply told the cops: “No Body means No Case”.

But note that Wix is no longer saying just no body but that should one be found (nervous ???) it must be connected to the suspects.

Interesting.

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Deepak confirms in the Police car tapes that Joran confessed to burying Natalee at the fisherman huts. That confirms the Confession made on June 10th 2005

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Police car tapes

Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
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July 11, 2005 Jossy Mansur "Joran Confessed 2nd day in detention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvT5bXzcmg
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“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

Interesting.....wasn't there a video out there early on with a girl covered in blood in a bathtub and some people referring to her as Natalee?  So is this guy mocking the entire situation?

Yes...they know she is dead.  And they know who is responsible.  Van Der Straten said he knew that back in June 2005.  He said he knew the 'facts of the case' and the reporter he was talking to didn't.  Why hasn't Van Der Straten been brought back into this to answer for his 'mistakes'?

Like I said...if they find Natalee in the ocean these degenerates will try to claim the body was planted there by the searchers.  That's how they do everything on the desolate rock.  They will never prosecute anyone for Natalee's death.  That's how things work in Aruba.

Personally, I think the OM's office "Hans Mos" & "Karen Jannsen tested the waters (the judiciary) & found it to be FIXED IN FAVOR OF THE SUSPECTS.  No point in prosecuting as they see a NOT GUILTY coming from the BIASED PAID FOR JUDGES.  In the event of such a finding from the PAID FOR JUDICIARY the suspects would NEVER be subjected to any findings of truth.

At least Hans Mos appears to have tried & is dealing with the reality that the FIX IS IN & HAS BEEN FROM THE START.  Remember the masked porn in the vehicle with the suspects, how do we know who is behind those masks, it could be anybody even those that wear robes. 

Vigilante justice is the only justice that will prevail in favor of Natalee Holloway, imo.  If this had been my loved one it would have already been taken care of, I would have taken my chances with God to protect others in my loved ones name.

Mos has never said there was any evidence of any corpse disposal by any other than Kalpoes.  Since Joran was supposedly at the casino, and later turns out he phones Deepak to come and get him there, it would seem that Deepak's car was at the Sloot compound when Beth landed, then left before she arrived with CCroes and the others.

Why was Deepak there without Joran? 

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aruba wanted this case to go away

it will go away -

BUT not in our hearts - not in our minds and not in our souls

but in their SICK TWISTED minds it will go away and with it will go their tourism


be careful what you wish for aruba

cause you will get it and then some

I notice 24ora isn't flashing any banners of breaking news of the Mos speech. Was it even telecast on Aruban TV?

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:02 pm   
OM had 2 new witnesses (acc to the Dutch media/ANP)

Two new witness statements were the reason for the OM to re-arrest the 3 suspects in the Holloway case.

One female witness told investigators that she got a phonecall from one of the witnesses in the night that Natalee disappeared an heared by his voice something was wrong, according to the OM on Aruba.

The new witness said that in less then 6 hours after Holloway was last seen alive she got a phonecall from one of the ex-suspects. She noticed something was wrong she told the investigation team.

When she asked what was wrong he answered that he did not want to bring her into trouble, "what has happened I cannot tell over the phone".

An old chat session was traced in which one of the suspects wrote Natalee no longer was alive.

There also was a statement from someone who described the behavior of one of the 3 suspects on the day after Natalee had disappeared.
That also resulted in indirect evidence.

Mos insist the case is not closed and every new lead will be investigated.

Source ANP and Volkskrant link/Trouw link 
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article489149.ece/OM_Aruba_had_twee_nieuwe_getuigen_Holloway-zaak
http://www.trouw.nl/laatstenieuws/laatstenieuws/article874861.ece/OM_Verdachte_zei_dat_Holloway_dood_is

i would have had answers within 20 seconds from all 3 killers

its easy. you give them an offer - they cant refuse

call it barbaric - call it what you want

it works and the only way to fight barbarians is with the same tactic

some people dont like it that way.. i understand- i really do

but thats just me and my ay of handling it

cool hand robots

if the first one doesnt talk

the second one will      as soon as he sees what happens to the first one


its that simple

I would think this has to be Flor since Joran made a call to her early the next morning (six hours from 1:20).  Joran claims he made that call while on the bus to school.

If there was video of JVDS actually committing the crime it would be accused of being a doctored tape.

If there was audio proof there would be another excuse.

When they find a body the excuse will be, well anyone could have put it there.

I have firmly come to believe that Aruba is the anti-world. Where all else is normal, they contort things to be just the opposite. The sky is not blue there, it is in fact red.

I never saw this, but have read about it many times. I know it supposedly came from Val and I think it was his My Space.  That is why I was really surprised that he had never been questioned until November of this year. And to verify if he was even on Aruba that night. ALE knows. And yes I believe they are making a mockery of the entire situation.

The new witness said that in less then 6 hours after Holloway was last seen alive she got a phonecall from one of the ex-suspects. She noticed something was wrong she told the investigation team.  


un real

EXACTLY

Dayhiker - I like your words so much. I want give your a BIG hug! Why also not now a boycott for the flag, Red White Blue?
I want dance on this music with a good champagne glass in my hand, when there comes a Dutch boycott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9YHg07NLLc

From Joran's June 14, 2005 statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0

(snipped)

On May 30th 2005, at approximately 03.45 am I went to sleep. At approximately 06.30, I woke up. Between 03.45 am and 06.30 am I talked to no-one on my mobile phone. At approximately 06.45 am I got on the bus. Between 06.30 am and 06.45 am I did not talk to anyone on my mobile phone. At approximately 08.00 am, I arrived at school on the bus. I had slept the entire time the bus took to get to school. During the ride to school I don't think I called anyone with my mobile phone. I do think that I had received a message from "Flor". I did not loan my phone out to anyone to make a phone call. I am sure of that. My school starts at 08.00 am and ends at 14.45 pm. During the hours between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm I do not think I called anybody. If I sent someone messages between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm than it could only have been to "Elaine" or "Flor" and nobody else.

(snipped)

METZ, Florencia   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, from Argentina, lives behind Codemsa, graduated from the Mavo, nicknamed “Flo.”  Joran invited her to go to Carlos N Charlies that night of May 29, 2005.  Interviewed by ALE on 6-15-05 & 6-16-05.

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JAGO, Elaine Sint   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, Aruban 17 years old, attends Collegio Arubano. Nicknamed “Fishy.”  Interviewed by ALE on 7-1-05.


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Good question, probably was Deepak there for anything to discussed with PVDS.

A corroborating witness to an event that was referenced in a statement regarding the death of Natalee.

Some how in the anti-world this means nothing.

BTW Aruba ... if a Divi Divi tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to see it, does it make a sound?

I am not a Mos fan at the moment but I do believe by putting this information out in the open for all to hear was a wise move on his part.  Aruba has to know the truth and stop burying their heads in the sand.  Without the outcries from the people of that island this is going no way fast.  How hard is it to get these people to stand up for their country. I just a having a real hard time with people with dysfunctional.  He made it known that Natalee is dead and one of the three discussed it.  Now they cannot say she ran away and if they find her body that verifies what they said in conversations with each other. God this is just awful.  WHY CAN'T SOMEONE DOE THE RIGHT THING HERE. Cowards all of them.  Mother Sloot---are you proud of your delicious sporter?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

mother sloot is BAD

This statement can good be about the sleeptime and woke up, but do we all know, was Joran going to school May 30, 2005?

Dead ... within hours of her disappearance

And sloot in ISA school on 5/30/05 acing tests...and also, according headmaster saying that Natalee hit her head and "drowned."  In other words, Natalee Holloway was DEAD.

Yes.  She was dead within hours of leaving C&C.  Almost certainly by the time the porn movies were downloaded on sloot computer -- at 3:30 am on May 30, 2005.

.

they are not that smart - it would appear

isnt one of them in 10th grade and is 27

Please someone send this to the blonds at MSNBC.

sickening
mos knows it and mos is so gutless as well as all of them so far that are involved in this case

Joran or Deepak talked before Papa Sloot got hold of them and informed them to keep quiet- no body no case.

But, Wizard, don't you have a hard time with Mountain Brook, at least?

Well apparently they did or text message. The NFI may have new technology to retrieve that info from the HD that they destroyed in 2005 or a witness came forward. Remember this was before the famous meeting around the Van Der Sloots pool. Where PVDS warned them to not communicate on their phones or computers.

PAULUS is the one that picked joran up

joran tried screwing the k2 brothers from the get go

PAULUS is the one that picked joran up

joran is such a stupid dumbass and he is one of these people that thinks he can outsmart others. he probably thinks he is awesome for tricking Greta

greta is loser - so is joran

Hey Hammer ...

Think that is the tell tale sign of a sociopath?

Mr. Webster may have to add a picture to his definition.

"Must know better than that", remember Jacobs (or could have been VD Straten" told Joran he would see to it he didn't go to jail, he would see to it he was in a mental facility in the Neterlands instead.  Tells me he and many people knew what a loaded pistol this Son of a Ditch was.

How so?

i think we need to see more of things like this
"i confessed and the let me un-confess"

im a pig

No fan of Mos at the moment either BUT he has taken this from maybe she ran away to she is for sure dead and the suspects at the very least know it.

It was Cowgirl Janssen who screwed things up so badly.  Mos did buck the system with these last arrests and did not say Mother May I to Rudy Croes.

Mos said there was enough new evidence and a judge in the Netherlands said enough, it's only when it hits Aruban shores that there can never be enough no matter what.

And if what has been reported is true, This is what we do to American girls only this one died, then this should be flaming headlines.

Do we have verification that this is what was said in the email?

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exactly how i see it.

mos did something

but not enough - not nearly enough

im disppointed in him but im glad for what little he did do

he still sucks

HannieC Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:20 pm    RU

Dugo,

Is there something they can do about Mos stating this bullshit while the case is closed? 
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These people really do not get it, do they.

they dont get it
most of them never will

they are evil

Yes, it was on one of those sites, "my space" or "facebook," from Val and there were 2 oriental looking girls standing over the girl in the blood-filled tub saying "NATALEEH."

Yeah, he sucks but not nearly as bad as this judge who never met a Sloot he didn't turn loose.

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Had Mos been on the case from the beginning, I have no doubt he would have succeeded in the collection of sufficient evidence. 

But I highly doubt that he would have been allowed to go forward with it in any event.  That was just not what the Arubans had in mind.  Rudy must have promised Paulus that no one would ever prosecute his son for this.

And I never doubted for one moment that Joran would go straight home and check soccer scores and download porn.  He wasn't bothered by what happened to Natalee at all.  He thinks it wasn't his fault as his parents have taught him to think that way.

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Yes I don't think that will be to good for Aruban Tourism   :wink: Especially since they are still free. As far as Rudy Croes goes,it shows who is really controlling this Investigation and always has.

Either Mos is letting us know how absurd "closing" the case is by putting up this front and revealing the "evidence"  --- or really IS this inept/corrupt.

I choose the latter. He has shown absolutely NO passion about the judge's decision or the fact the case is shut down. If he is seriously in a fight with Croes -- he sure doesn't act like it.

In Joran's book, he talks of texting Flor "something sweet" that night.  His PV statements don't say that.

Does anyone remember where the contents of the email or text message were supposedly posted?  I would like to read that again and try to determine if this is fact or conjecture.

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i know what you mean

if Mos, comes out and says something really interesting (which he might)
like "they killed her, we all know it and the judges suck"

then i will retract my Mos sucks slogan

I would imagine Croes is in a position to make life very difficult for Mos, maybe even have him fired.  Mos has 2-3 months vacation a year and a pension at stake.

From Croes saying these last arrests would never have taken place had he known about them in advance, evidently he is in a position to prevent Mos from doing anything in any event should he chose to do so.

No amount of dramatics will change that.  Mos will lose either way.

IMO

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Page 17 and 18 of Joran's book:

At 2.46am Joran receives a text message from Deepaks computer in which he asks him to misscall him (call, let the phone ring once and hang up again) when he gets home.

They drive home and when they get there Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up his shoes. He asks Joran where he left them, Joran explains this, gets out and Satish drives off.

Joran goes to his apartment. He text messages Flor at 3.11 something sweet and messages Deepak at 3.13 saying that he is home and whether he is online.

Joran switches on his computer and goes online. Then comes the already known chat between the Deepak and Joran.

Posted by Glenda/Renfro at RU:

Mos said that one of the suspects was describing what they do when they meet American Girls and how NH ended up dead.

I remember Steve Croes saying that the rule on the beach is that after you've gone out with an American Girl, you always make sure that she makes it back to her hotel. Always make sure that someone sees you bring her back.

I bet the next page is better.  Wonder why she didn't post the whole letter.

This is what we do to American girls. . .only this one died.

That is the most important thing we heard today and now I can't find it.  Does anyone know which article it was in?

Now this is totally contrary to the Aruban party line and yet Mos has revealed it.  They can't be very pleased with this.  AHATA is not going to like this one bit.

But we need to find that and make that the focal point of what happened today because it is very important.  Note that phrase "American girls" with care because this might be the basis for some further legal action.  It sounds like a denial of civil rights to me.

Can we not at the least get a travel warning with these kinds of things being said but those granted free feet in Aruba?  The State Dept needs to be informed of this  big time.

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Buckeye,

Note that nasty hair across the top!  That woman is just plain disgusting.

Joe T was just on Fox.... :gaah:

This is what we do to American girls. . .only this one died

We know Deepak said Natalee was a slut,dressed a slut and talked like a slut. So it would not suprise me if one of them said this. Let's get this confirmed and in the papers and in the news  :wink:

Yes, Dirty Hand (Rudy Croes) walks in all houses, even the Dutch, the Venezuelan, the house of Hugo, the house of the Arawaks, the house of prostitution which is the whole island of Aruba, the gambling houses, spends his time in choller houses selecting the best candidates for his business.

Ex-suspect??

My understanding ... Paulus van der Sloot is the only formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case who has been declared no longer a suspect by the Aruban court.  There has been speculation that Mickey John is no longer a  suspect but ... I am unaware of any confirmation.

Janet

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Suspects in the Natalee Holloway Case:

1. Mickey John - no longer a suspect. (unconfirmed)
2. Abraham Jones
3. Joran van der Sloot
4. Deepak Kalpoe
5. Satish Kalpoe
6. Steve Croes
7. Paulus van der Sloot - no longer a suspect. (confirmed)
8. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
9. Guido Weaver

Mos Press Statement ... Why?

One of three top suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway wrote during an Internet chat session that the teenager was dead, Aruba's chief prosecutor said Thursday.  Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to identify the person who wrote the message but said its discovery had contributed to the decision to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe last month...Mos said their re-arrests had been warranted by the circumstantial evidence, including statements from witnesses who said the three behaved strangely in the hours after Holloway vanished at age 18 on May 30, 2005

Why does Mos make these statements to international press, likely knowing full-well his words will incite headlines and negative press reaction in Aruba's biggest tourist market?  Let alone outrage.

He publicly brands them now as killers.  And does harm to two suspects who did not write the e-mails in question, or engage in the text messaging wherein "somebody" says -- in writing -- that Natalee is DEAD. 

Was Mos handicapped by Judge (Wit?), and set up to fail?  That as mentioned earlier, A dutch judge had joran nabbed immediately, based on thie evidence.  Why are Aruban judges seemingly complicit in releasing killers from custody? 

Or is this a perverted form of "justice" -- that Natalee's parents now have the "answers" they so long hoped for:  Yes, Natalee is dead.  She died in the early morning hours of May 30 2005.  Natalee's killers are either, or each, deepak, satish and joran.  Now we know.

The statement of Mos damns the 3, and savages Aruba.

How can this be the planned outcome? 

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Thanks to u too! Think about this. Hans Mos comes to town and announces that he has evidence that Natalee is deceased and that the three suspects are guilty of voluntary manslaughter.
I am interesting how high IQ Hanssie has. Probably around 80 and how can he get a Law diploma when he tells the three suspects are guilty of volunatary manslaughter. How stupid can he tells that without any new evidence, there we go IQ 80.

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I want this see to all the American people that read and post here. Don't believe anymore any for the Dutch government.They are liars, they are very very bad, they are corrupt and they make a mess with evidence material and they want no case bring to a good end. The make a mess in evidence material want is in belong in a case, that destroyed one evidence material, or keep that ever when there is a court case. Btw with another words you can not trust that Dutch corrupt government.
And concerning of my body I don't give any respect for Dutch head public prosecutors, public prosecutors, police agents, KLPD agents, AIVD people, CRI and NFI. I want close the case for them. And this people get never anymore any respect for me.

Janet - I believe JK2 were formally released as suspects last Monday or Tuesday.

Oh I think they get it, just want to hide it like the rest of them.

Yes Klaasend (I think) u are right, this is happened after the case closed Tuesday.

The Aruban Justice Minister ... Rudy Croes ... made the confession of June 10, 2005 go away and ... I believe that he made the "new" evidence accumulated by Hans Mos go away ... the "new" evidence that two prosecutors and ten attorneys deemed sufficient to bring charges.

Janet


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http://www.newsoxy.com/world/natalee-holloway/article10303.htm

World NewsTuesday, December 18, 2007
Natalee Holloway Case Officially Closed
 
Aruba chief prosecutor has closed the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway after finding a lack of evidence.
By Rob Adams
Published: Dec 18, 2007, 11:28 AM EST

The Public Prosecutor's Office has announced that it will drop the case against the three suspects in the case of nineteen-year-old Natalee Holloway.

The prosecutor, Hans Mos, said he could does not anticipate finding Holloway's remains and prosecuting a case without them would be "very hard."

The probe has revolved around three suspects: Joran van der Sloot, 20, a Dutch citizen, and brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 24, and Satish Kalpoe, 21, from Surinam.

They were the last people known to see Holloway, who came to Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation, before she vanished on the night of May 30, 2005. All three, who have denied any role in her disappearance, have been arrested several times but released after different judges ruled there was not enough evidence to keep holding them.

The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes says the recent arrests in the Holloway case have damaged the country's reputation. He says the case has discredited Aruba internationally. He sharply criticised the prosecution for the early release of the suspects.

Mr Croes also complains he was informed too late about the arrests of the Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and the Surinamese Kalpoe brothers. In response, the Public Prosecutor Hans Mos says the Public Prosecutor's Office is in charge of the case and the minister should not interfere.

The Public Prosecutor's Office will not seek charges against the three suspects.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba in May 2005

If those are the 9 suspects then who are the 13 arrests that Tacopina keeps blabing about? Is he counting the 9 suspects and adding 4 more arrests for Jk2 or is he talking about 13 different people that were arrested or detained?

1. Mickey John
2. Abraham Jones
3. Joran van der Sloot
4. Deepak Kalpoe
5. Satish Kalpoe
6.Lorenzo Van Rijn
7 Steve Croes
8 Paulus van der Sloot
9 Freddy
10 Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
11 A.B
12 Guido Wever
13 Michael Dompig

You all hit the nail on the head -- those idiots will never get it. They somehow got it in their heads that if Joran "gets off" -- Aruba wins.
They are NOT interested in solving the crime -- just that they "win."
Win what??????????????????

They are all losers and they drug down their whole island with their foolish "get Joran off at any costs" mantra.

Thanks Klaas ... I had not read anything pertaining to Deepak and Satish being released as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Could Aruba not have waited until the search of the waters by TES was completed?

I am so angry!!

Janet

Anna…..Deepak Alibi Emails

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=383.0



 Anna and *******…..This came from Nut….and I’m sure if it’s out there she’ll find it!


Re: Natalee Case Discussion #705 12/18 - 12/20/07 by Nut44x4
...  heard on the news that in a chat/IM..one of these suspects says...this is what  ...
...  do to American tourists girls..but this one died


that's more than we heard.

Was Mos handicapped by Judge (Wit?), and set up to fail?  That as mentioned earlier, A dutch judge had joran nabbed immediately, based on thie evidence.  Why are Aruban judges seemingly complicit in releasing killers from custody?

I so agree with this.  I think he was handicapped and that Rudy Croes is, as I always said, the "Dirty Hand" that has given the thumbs up to Paulus that all lights are green for the sporter, and without K2 going along with them, the sporter and Paulus can be taken down, so there are threats against the K2 or promises that will most likely not be fulfilled, and then they cannot go back and change their testimony once it is all over, but best "watch their backs."  They will forever be followed and taunted by the  Vandersloots and Croes' of the island.

I am confused.  Story of my life.   :D

How could Deepak and Satish have been released as suspects prior to December 18, 2007?  It was on that date that the prosecutor's office released to the media their decision not to go ahead with charges.

Klaas ... is there any official confirmation?

Thank you.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed

By NBC 13 Staff
E-mail
From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

The office notified the three suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 24 year old D.S.K., his brother, 21 year old S.S.K., and 20 year old J.v.d. S., that no charges will be brought against them.  

At the same time the American lawyer of the parents of Natalee Holloway was informed by telephone and fax about this decision.

Based on a lengthy and extensive supplementary investigation, executed by a mixed team of Dutch and Aruban detectives, the three suspects were re-arrested by the end of November. These arrests were based on new evidence that was gathered during the investigation of the past eight months. Although a judge shared the Public Prosecutor’s decision that sufficient new evidence was produced to justify the re-arrest of the suspects and keep them in custody. The period of custody did not bring the final breakthrough in this investigation. All three suspects claimed their right not to give any statement at all. Finally, in an appeal of the Public Prosecutor against the early release of the two brothers K., the Court of Appeal ruled that the investigation did not show sufficient evidence to conclude that Natalee Holloway had died due to a violent crime. It were exactly these kinds of crimes the Public Prosecutor held against the three suspects.

Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.

Although the Public Prosecutor’s Office did see and still sees possibilities to prove that Natalee Holloway is no longer alive, the fact that her body never was found forms an important deficit in a possible reconstruction of the facts. Mainly because of that reason the current police report can not answer the question which crime was committed in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway nor shed light on the exact role of the three suspects in the events.

Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.

By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention, these crimes now have been dismissed. This does not imply that, if new serious evidence were to be found, this case could never be tried in court again. This is still possible within the statute of limitation. In case of involuntary manslaughter this period is 6 years counting from the day following the crime that was committed. In case of homicide this period ends after 12 years.

The Public Prosecutor’s Office is more than aware of the fact that this result of the investigation is a tough burden to bear for the parents of Natalee Holloway. After losing their daughter they have not been able to bring her back. Because of that important reason, amongst others, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Police have gone the extra mile and have exhausted all their powers and techniques, in order to solve the mystery of the disappearance of the girl. It took a lengthy and very intensive investigation where even help from abroad was asked for and received. Despite the fact that with all this we have not been able to solve the case, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Police share the opinion that by making the choice to try to do everything that is within their possibilities to bring the case to a solution, they made the right decision.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html

It is the chat room IM saying This is what we do to American girls that I would like confirmation of and better yet to hear from Mos own mouth.

This is something we can work with, I do believe.

Deepak will remain silent because he was in the act of disposal when Beth's plane landed in Aruba.  But if he was ever inclined to talk, this would be the time since he has been assured he is not going to be prosecuted for any body disposal.  Evidently in Aruba that is a form of fulfilling civil duty.

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Each of the three has received an official letter from the Office of the Prosecution.  I don't think anything further is needed to make it official.

Yes, they could have waited until the search was completed but they have holiday festivities to attend.

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*******…I have thought since I found this that AB could have been Freddy. But not positive.

Quote Dan Abrams 8/29/2005

Police also arrested another man; a friend and neighbor of lead suspect Joran van der Sloot, Freddie Aaron Batiz (ph).  They say it‘s related to another case. 


Also found  that he had been arrested early in the case, according to Jossy.

Probably a duplicate of what's already been posted, but in case there's something different thought I'd post anyway:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/index.html

Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says
Story Highlights
NEW: Prosecutors won't say who wrote teen was dead in Internet chat session

Evidence not sufficient for prosecution, officials say

Alabama teen went missing during graduation trip two years ago

Case against three suspects dismissed earlier this week

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- In an Internet chat shortly after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, one of the three main suspects in the case said the Alabama teenager was dead, the island's chief public prosecutor told CNN on Thursday.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, Hans Mos said.

New technology that was not available to authorities in 2005 was utilized to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects as well as others, he said.

Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects -- Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- behind bars. Mos' office said Tuesday they will not prosecute the three in Holloway's disappearance, effectively closing the case unless new evidence comes to light. Watch a report on the case »

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway's death or how she died. "If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now," Mos said.

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their rearrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities. See a timeline of how the case has developed »

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three youths. She failed to show up for her flight home the following day, and her packed bags were found in her hotel room.

All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

All three have maintained their innocence in Holloway's disappearance. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That's why, he said, his office went to the expense of extraditing van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after rearresting him in November -- out of hopes that he might talk.

"You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up," he said.

Mos said that when the three youths were rearrested, he asked an attorney for Holloway's divorced parents, Beth and Dave Holloway, to tell them not to get their hopes up too high, as this was not "the final breakthrough" in the case.

And on December 1, Mos said, he and others in his office had "a very good talk" with the Holloways.

"Sometimes I got the impression that we aren't on the same side," he said. "That sort of disturbed me, and I think they should know that we are just as much dedicated to solving this case as they want us to be, and I cannot come up with the results. I wish I had. I feel very sorry."

He acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and rearresting them may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot.

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

"And that's exactly what we did. I'd rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened."

He said his office remains determined to find out the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

Although Mos' decision not to prosecute the case means that under Aruban law, the three cannot legally be considered suspects, Mos said they remain persons of interest.

In interviews, he said, van der Sloot and his father have indicated they know more than previously said about what happened to Holloway, but are not willing to divulge it, giving authorities "reason to believe that their last and final story is simply not the complete story."

Authorities have found no indication that anyone else could have been involved in Holloway's disappearance -- but also have no evidence to show a crime was committed, or what crime that might have been, he said.

If Holloway's death was an accident, as some evidence suggests, Mos said he doesn't understand the need to cover it up -- or why someone didn't simply call 911 and report it the night it happened. "That's an indication there is more at hand than just an accident," he said, "but what it was, and who was involved, I don't have evidence."

Van der Sloot's American attorney, Joe Tacopina, has criticized Mos for suggesting his client was involved in Holloway's disappearance if he does not have evidence to back that up.

In response, Mos said that if van der Sloot were tried and acquitted, double jeopardy would attach and he never could be tried again. Just because he decided not to prosecute, he said, doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest."

Tacopina has declared his client is innocent. "That's quite funny," Mos said, "because he wasn't there on the 30th of May. Neither was I. He should ask his client."

Can you imagine, if you were a man, having to bed that thing? :-x

Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.

If Holloway's death was an accident, as some evidence suggests, Mos said he doesn't understand the need to cover it up -- or why someone didn't simply call 911 and report it the night it happened. "That's an indication there is more at hand than just an accident," he said, "but what it was, and who was involved, I don't have evidence."

What I have shouted from the beginning when all you naysayers wanted to believe it was an accident.  If it had been an accident, someone would have called paramedics, Natalee would have been taken to a hospital, the responsible people at the Holiday Inn would have been notified, who in turn would have given them information to contact Beth and/or Jug, and the Holloways and Twittys would have come to Aruba to find a grieving Paulus and Joran, who did all they could but it was an accident.  There would have been apologies all around, and Natalee would have been buried in Birmingham, AL.

It's EXACTLY that quote above that has me pulling my hair out!!!!!!! IF that statement is true -- YOU DON'T CLOSE THE CASE. YOU PUMP EVEN HARDER BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

******* ... it is my understanding that ONLY the following can be considered formal suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  They were the detained with suspicions.  All others who were questioned and released are considered witnesses.

If there were other formal suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case ... I am unaware.

Janet

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INITIAL ARRESTS - JUNE, 2005

1.  Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

2.  Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.
 
3.  Joran van der Sllot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

4.  Deepak Kalpoe:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5.  Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

6. Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

7.  Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


SUBSEQUENT ARRESTS - APRIL, 2006

8.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

9.  Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


KALPOE BROTHERS - SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions


JORAN - SECOND ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


KALPOE BROTHERS - THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007

Satish Kalpoe -  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.

14.  Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


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DUTCH LAW - SERIOUS SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY DETAINMENT

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

CONNECT THE DOTS....

Mos talks in codes...The finger is pointed squarely at the Aruban Rat Pack and his hands are tied at this point in time to do anything about it...

Question why they "rushed" to do all of this NOW during the launching of the Persistence investigation ... There has to be a connection...

Personally i am hoping that Mos is really trying to "coax" more evidence and witnesses to surface...Really he is doing the next best thingy, right?  He has now made an offering to the worldwide court of public opinion via MSM...

I believe he and his team is smarter than people might think.. The probability of someone else coming forward now is GREATER than before the recent re-arrests.... imho




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IMO Rudy Croes had no idea that Mos was planning to open up the can of
worms again.  As Jossy said...Rudy Croes was off in India where he had
no bussiness being.  When Croes finally became aware of Mos plan he
tied Mos hands.  That was when Mos said that the family, the media and
the DEA corrupted the case.  That is when Mos' whole attitude changed.

J2K are forever marked as killers...people will point and stare wherever
they go, even on Aruba.  I don't think Glenda and her crew did them
any favors.  They are marked for life.  The six year sentence would have
been a much easier punishment.

Joe Pacotenis

BIG STORY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmiPTCihENg

Hi MUM,

I received a email from a good poster here that he was sure it was this guy named Albert B. I am kinda torn who A.B. was  :-?

I USED to be the optimist that the Dutch or Mos "were smarter than we think" . Not any more -- no way! "There's no diamond ring sitting on the bottom of a Cracker Jack box."

Hi Janet :)

I realize who was considered a suspect vs witness. I am just trying to make sense of the 13 arrests that taco,pitbull and the goon have mentioned 30 times now. They can be arrested or detained and not be considered suspect's.

I believe that Natalee's death was unintentional.  However ... unintentional or not ... Natalee's death resulted from wrong doing ... premeditated wronging.

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++


Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.


Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
August 4, 2005

TWITTY:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.  

at least it isn't a pube :lol:

Aruba is marked as well and will forever be thought of as an
evil place.  The underbelly has been exposed.
Mos has no emotional ties to Aruba....he is there for a short stint.
He might seek vengence and tell more.  Look out!

I hope Joe T. has a clean pair of drawers back stage.

According to the following Aruban attorneys ... there has to be serious/strong suspicions to be detained.  Serious/strong supicions imply "suspect" to me.

******* ... we are talking about Aruba.  In the Natalee Holloway case ... Dutch law has been manipulated/disrgard on an ongoing base in the quest to protect Joran and Paulus.

I wonder if Joe Tacopina is referring to Lorenzo ... Koen ... Freddy ... Michael Dompig ...

I am so discouraged.  Looks like the Christmas season was chosen by Aruba to uphold the VDS family ... cause further distress the the family of Natalee Holloway.

******* ... I am 60 years old and ... in all my years I have never known that such evil existed in the hearts of people.  I guess it always has but but ...

Janet

++++++++++++

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

It will be very telling where Aruba lies in the next 24 hours. Will they be outraged that 3 killers have gotten off and sunk their island??? OR will they bring their wrath on Mos for daring to say the boys are probably guilty as hell. My bets are that they will be angry with Mos. THEY JUST DON'T GEt IT!

Remember this site?

http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com (http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com)

Rather interesting that Joe Tacopina says that Joran was not involved in any way in Natalee's disappearance. Funny  ... he didn't say anything about her death.

Would you like to elaborate on your non-statement Joe?

Dang, guys! Am I the only one that thinks there's a LOT of Damning evidence in what Mos said today? I don't see how anyone can call it anything but NEW either.

What am I missing? Frankly, I understand the logic of what Mos did, and under other circumstances, it might have worked. These three had "lawyered up" before the crime itself had been completed, and when that was matched up with willingly corrrupt police on the perpertrator's side, it's a horse of a different color all together.

He could go MUCH further, yes. He could openly point a finger at ALE, I'm sure. He could be critical of the judges, etc. but it seems to me he honestly thought he had new and damning evidence. I would agree with that.

OK, I'm ducking, so don't throw great big rocks, OK?

I think he was mentioning all those people. Showing this has gone on long enough as they arrested 13 people in this case and its going on almost 3 years now. There are others besides Joran is what he is implying and they have arrested so many. We have seen the way he has thrown GVC under the bus.

They are dead set against prosecuting anyone for these crimes and we are up against a very dirty evil little Govt. Unfortunately something like 70% of there economy is from tourism and they are treating it like a war. These people are so dirty and dispicable they chose to lie and slander the victim and her family and point the blame in there direction. The evil that exists is coming directly from the suspects and those working for the Aruban Govt. All this time later it's not a suprise anymore what Natalee and her Family are up against.

No there isn't *******. It's what Mos didn't say that is equally interesting. He has never implicated any of his fellow Dutchies as being incompetent or corrupt. There was no investigation into the investigation. They have cleared the island of three Dutch suspects, one prosecutor, and one police commissioner involved.

Mos didn't go to Aruba to clean house or even prosecute a case. It was all kool-aid.

-


well, i hadn't seen his remarks and i have to say, i can't fault him on anything he's said.  i think mos and jorg have got their work cut out for them on the happy island and both of them are probably as frustrated as any of us are.  i think he's pushed the locals as hard as he can, and i think he's given us more insight into what has been going on than we've learned in the last almost 3 years.  he's also shot down julia and company's feeble and frustrating attempts to blame everyone in the free world but j2k for natalee's disappearance.  he knows as well as we do that j2k are guilty of what happened to natalee and nobody can doubt that.  all the evidence that should have been collected in the first few days and weeks have been destroyed and mos knows this as well as we do.  if natalee's remains aren't found, or credible witnesses found, nothing more will come of this case.  mos has demonstrated to the world that the judiciary of the island is ever going to take an unjaundiced view of anything the prosecutor presents.  i think he's throwing all these stuff out there for a reason, and i'm willing to wait a while longer to see who else tries to block his efforts and why they're doing it.
dennisintn


ps:  just to answer tacopino's insults about mos being cowardly and unprofessional and whatever else he said, mos has more courage, integrity, and professionalism in his little left finger than taco's entire crowd of gum beaters could muster.
dennisintn

Is anyone else's computer honking??  :shock:

Dennis? I agree with your post. Is it just the TN air or are we missing something?

Yes,He is one of the few that has spoken up that the Aruban Govt is amongst the most corrupt and evil on the planet. Just last week the AVP leader in aruba said the MEP was all liars and cheats. Apparently there is nothing anybody can do about it. The 2009 elections will most likely have the same outcome as 2005 unless something is done.

*******

The other day ... Wreck upheld the words of the mother of Natalee Holloway when he said ... THIS CASE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR 2 1/2 YEARS!

Janet

++++++++

Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

Prosecutor Says One of the Natalee Holloway Suspects Wrote Teen was Dead … But Suspects are Allowed to no longer be considered Suspects

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/prosecutor-says-one-of-the-natalee-holloway-suspects-wrote-teen-was-dead-but-suspects-are-allowed-to-no-longer-be-considered-suspects/

Hey Aruba … If a Divi Divi tree falls in the woods and no one sees it, does it make a noise?

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Aruban Circular Logic known as corruption. It would have to be because no one could be this obtuse.

EXERPTED FROM ARTICLE/ MY COMMENTS IN BLUE


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- In an Internet chat shortly after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, one of the three main suspects in the case said the Alabama teenager was dead, the island's chief public prosecutor told CNN on Thursday. 
( The police car chat that Taco keeps saying shows they thought she may still be alive sorta flies in the face of that, doncha think? )

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify rearresting the three in November, Hans Mos said.

New technology that was not available to authorities in 2005 was utilized to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects as well as others, he said.

(Sounds like NEW evidence to me!)



In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

(This was SHORTLY after she disappeared, and it was written as FACT. Not IF, but FACT! That's DAMN damning! Guys, Beth was on that island hanging posters and pounding the pavement desperately seeking help to find her daughter while these three were "chatting" about the FACT she's dead. I agree with them: it's NOT good!)

Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

( I think that adds a roadmap to be followed, and also lends STRONG circumstantial evidence to a prosecution, IMO.)

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.
( Does this sound like they were referring to a girl that was just innocently left on the beach looking at the stars? )

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their rearrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities. See a timeline of how the case has developed »
( So ask them at TRIAL and let a judge instruct them to answer, OR hold them until they feel more chatty! You just reinforce that Bullcrap by letting it work for them!)

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

(There's more. I don't know why he didn't elaborate, but there's more and at least they DID bug the home. That's a huge improvement on what Arubans did.)


In interviews, he said, van der Sloot and his father have indicated they know more than previously said about what happened to Holloway, but are not willing to divulge it, giving authorities "reason to believe that their last and final story is simply not the complete story."

(OK? So lock them up until they feel like sharing! This is totally unacceptable! There's a DEAD girl, and an INVESTIGATION going on! "Cat got my tongue" just doesn't cut it! )


If Holloway's death was an accident, as some evidence suggests, Mos said he doesn't understand the need to cover it up -- or why someone didn't simply call 911 and report it the night it happened. "That's an indication there is more at hand than just an accident," he said, "but what it was, and who was involved, I don't have evidence."

( YES! They CAN be taught!!!!!)

Got a link, Dayhiker? I wouldn't miss that for the world!

I do not know if this was posted here today or not. Thought I would bring it over. Posted at BFN speaking of suspects lawyers, I guess. I am so tired I can hardly type and I must stay up for Dana's show  :2doh:


Quote from: kescah on Today at 02:29:47 PM


 They are reported to have filed a lawsuit already to prevent what is found by Persistance from being used as evidence! Wouldn't it be nice to always have free lawyer help to get you through the day? Heaven forbid evidence found with the body will be thrown out.

Nut? Who is supposed to have filed a lawsuit, and against whom was it filed? TIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmiPTCihENg

John Gibson/Joe T.

Wow if they are filing lawsuits to have anything thrown out that the searchers
may find tells me there is something to find and they just made theirselves look
more guilty then they all ready are

When you have an infestation of rats the only thing to do is to get rid of them right?

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Here is one method:

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not sure CBB.....waiting for the poster to give more info. Probably just this persons feeling. I don't know. Another poster there is also waiting for another response....maybe it is like 'I know but I can't tell'?? AARggggggggggggggggggg.......

So true Janet! I dont like the words dog and pony show but I dont know what else to call it. I suppose they were dragging it out as long as possible to soften the blow when they closed the case for good. Showing that they did everything they could but just not enough evidence to convict anyone of anything.

 :smt076 :smt076 :smt076

If there's hard evidence, and apparently there is, that they KNEW she was dead SHORTLY after she disappeared, there's automatically more evidence against them.

THINK ABOUT THIS!
Joran's interview:
"We just lied about leaving her at the beach because we felt sure she'd just show up" NOT!

Joran telling ALE "I think maybe Deepak went back to the beach and something bad happened." YEAH, DEAD GIRL IS BAD, JORAN.  :roll:

Police Car Conversation: Joran:"I'll laugh if they find the girl alive." PERFORMING FOR THE RECORDER THAT DADDY WARNED YOU ABOUT, JORAN?

The girl Deepak contacted to provide an alibi: NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUND YOURSELF IN BAD CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WITH KNOWLEDGE SHE'S DEAD!

Greta was just on Fox on some sort of teaser saying that this might mean the Holloway family would get the files.

Guess she has figured out people are not exactly enchanted with her constant support of Joran.

.

I'm behind but yes it's always been Joran.

So now they say the have evidence of one of them saying in chat that she is dead.  This would be Joran telling Deepak in their chat session.  Paulus sent the Kalpoes home and they didn't know Natalee was dead yet.  They were frantically cleaning their car because they knew it was bad.  This is why Satish asked Deepak how is the girl.  Deepak said to his brother she is dead Joran told me on IM last night.  So to me Joran and Paulus are responsible for the death of Natalee. :-x

I wish I could buy Joe T for what he's worth and sell him
for what he thinks he's worth.  That wink at the end of
that segment was disgusting.

How funny!

Taco was tongue tied! Funny, he uses the fact that Judges released JK2 as evidence that Joran is innocent, but he's quick to point to an inept investigation. Picking and choosing his professional competencies on that island, isn't he?

I saw the Greta teaser and she immediately went to the importance of the "she's dead" statement.

I have filed a suit in Dallas today. I am petitioning the court to throw out any incriminating evidence about me should I ever commit a crime for the next 50 years. You can never be too careful. My lawyer has also advised me to wear a little sign around my neck saying "I'm not responsible for any of my own actions."

RIGHT ON, SAN, RIGHT ON!

Well, I thought dog-and-pony shows had to do with beastiality so it's Aruba, could be.

No question PVDS thinks he is smarter than everyone involved. His comments directed at the Dutch Investigators digging in his back yard calling them boys and girls and being on vacation. He needs to be taken down big time!!

I forget which PV this was from and it's not exact but equally disturbing.

PVDS: So did you boys learn anything from this nightmare?
JK2: Yes Sir! Never offer someone a ride

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
In Aruba, that would work!

The reason they could not call for help.  Paulus' DNA would be found as would Joran's.  Yep, the old geezer and the sporter --- Anita's pride and joy only after the see-through blouse.

RU

Glenda wrote:
The Teacher's Name is Suzy Gitman - she told the Media that Joran came to school with a black eye and scratches on May 31st, 2005. Obviously a personal vendetta... I even believe Tito reported this on Fox.

Interesting that he would mention this.  Why would he need to say in the bathroom.  Why couldn't he just say if they found the body in the home of one of these kids home but he didn't he specifically said bathroom.  This is because they temporarily put Natalee's body in the tub at the Sloot home.  This is why Paulus did not want the main house searched.

Hi Monkeys....Do you really think Paulus had sex with Natalee?  That is just too gross a thought for me....even after all this time.  I definitely believe he arranged for the disposal and cover-up...no doubt.

Greta said the timing of that chat session would be hugely important. She's right. Mos said SHORTLY in this CNN article.

Yes this is what I was thinking of too thanks for remembering.

Am surprised Greta picked up on that. Facts seem to go right over her head.   :wink:

Hi Annie! I'm like you, it's so hard to think about. I'd say no, but maybe that's because it's so hard to fathom!

If Paulus had not violated Natalee, and this was a drug thing and sex thing gone bad, they could easily have passed this off as a girl gone wild with whom they had sex, she did too many drugs and this all happened, and finding the boys' DNA on her would have been expected.  It was the DNA that was not expected, the reason why help was not requested.

This means she will probably be found and Paulus is sweating.  Cheezehead Taco is trying to figure out what to do, Joran is lying and drinking beer, smoking weed, trying to find someone to rape while Anita is calling Julia for help.

CRANK UP THE BOYCOTT !!

spread the news !!!


www.ARUBASUCKS.info


back to the airport with the ARUBA SUCKS t-shirts and video camera

great publicity for ARUBA -------------------NOT  :cool:

Since September, 2005, Granny Toad and I have said Joran was at school on Monday as we did a time line at that time while there were still links that have since vanished.

I have been called a liar, told to crawl back under my rock, that this was just my opinion, etc. so I am very glad to see at least this part verified.  I am sure Gran Toad will be as well.

We got most of our information from a lone interview with the Headmaster and the second part of an interview with Jug which sort of vanished, leaving only the first half of his interview posted on line.

But this had to be Joran as Deepak was no longer enrolled in school and Nadira neglected to waken her baby boy Satish to go to school even at 10:30.

Ms. Gitman is also the one scubajap once told me could get Joran's AP scores the next day, too, even though several told her not even the POTUS could do such a thing.  I wonder how they feel about Suzie now that she has told about the sporter's black eye and all the rest of it.

Why would they object to a water search? Wouldn't you think they would want Natalee found so they could clear their clients?  :wink: :wink: :wink:

If Joran had a black eye then HOORAY FOR NATALEE....that means she
fought and got a lick at him.

maybe someone is afraid of missing sneakers being found also
 :cool:

I believe that John Q. Kelly is under the impression that the Natalee Holloway case will be officially closed ... an act that would ... legally give the family ... upon application ... access to the case file.

I contend that Aruba will destroy those case files rather than releasing them to the family of Natalee Holloway ... releasing them to the FBI.  Think about it ... the words within would expose the role that Joran and Paulus played in the events that encompass the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing ... the words within would expose the corrupt investigation and ... the words within would expose those who were aware of / involving in the corrupt investigation.

If those case files were not so incriminating/damning ... the Kalpoe's attorneys would have willing turned them over to the court in the furtherance of the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit.

It is my understanding ...  that under Dutch law ... Aruba can legally deny any outside entity access to the case files of an investigation if the case is still ongoing.  Under Dutch law ... a murder/missing person investigation can be left open for six years to allow "new" evidence to surface or ... to become a cold case.

Janet

+++++++++++


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
Wednesday, December 19, 2007

KELLY: Well, at this point now, I have the right, as a representative of the victim's family, to go down there and view the entire file. And Hans Mos (ph) has assured me that I'll be able to do that at some point, if I choose to. And I'm sure we will choose to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317479,00.html

doesnt he make you want to puke ?

REMINDER

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:lol: :lol: I hhope that is not your picture on the "Author's" page!!  :shock:

:wink:

hehehehehee,,,no that was stock photo

should i put myself out there???? :cool:

there will be about 25 websites up and running
showing and telling everyone that aruba sucks

if you google     aruba sucks

it comes up nice and quick and if you google aruba tickets and aruba vacations
and aruba trips.... well you get the picture

 :cool:

Robots,

You will miss Dana with Jug Twitty and Jossy on this evening.

.

The family should give the files to all you smart monkeys
you would have a case put together in less then 30 days
I know you would

Here's the question, Tamik: Do you think Mos saw the actual files?

i have a laptop  :cool: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

it really works perfect. we sit around like we are waiting for an arrival and we sit
in the airport chairs  with laptops with our T SHIRTS on

its GOLD !!!

i think im a genius ROBOTS

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly Tyler.

ROBOTS! You;re messing with my shoe epiphany!  :lol:

Joran made up the whole "lost my shoe/shoes" story so that he could place one of the Kalpoe's as going back to the beach and having an opportunity to kill Natalee, according to the story Joran was telling. IMO

BOR just said something about Natalee Holloway coming up next.

.

"Dad where are you going ?"

uhhh,, i need to go do some errands


"with your computer??"


uhhhhhhhh,,yes


"why are you wearing a t-shirt?"


errrrrr.. got some errands to do, back later




he is losing it. something to do with monkeys

Now what do we do???

Fox has the Natalee story coming up, and Dana's about to start. WHY don't I have TIVO???  :sad:

you may be right...  :wink:

the K2 dont know if he walked home or not or if he had shoes

they never saw him - PAULUS PICKED him UP

Well done Mr.Robots!  :lol: You should have lot's of knowledge to fill up that website  :cool:

Look, Robots!!

CBB wants us to talk about those shoes for a few more days!

 :D :D :D

No way am I eating any bugs as punishment for doing so!

She was an AMERICAN GIRL...

Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

And what exactly would they plan "to do" with American girls?  How they "operated"?

You mean, like a "gang?"  A gang of serial rapists, perhaps?

Like the "American Pie" theory told you, right here on these threads?

And showed you, by pictoral record, and incontrovertible visual proof, that they -- your boys: joran deepak and satish -- were engaged in kidnapping and serial rape, for sport.

As posted here in OCTOBER of 2005 -- 27 months ago ??

You mean -- that !?!?

.

You watch it on the tvuplayer all in one place  :wink:

Posted at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:47 pm   

Part of Mos's Press Conference was on tv here, he said the phone conversation took place 5 hours and 13 minutes after Natalee was last seen alive. 

im with ya
CBB is causing troube .....hehehehehehehehehehhehehe



 :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:to both of you

BOR just said it was the FBI's working theory that Natalee accidently dies from alcohol/cocaine combination at the beach and they disposed of her body.

HAMMER,

Is this not conspiracy to violate the civil rights of American girls?  Does not our State Department have a policy regarding this kind of thing?

.

O'Reilly calling Aruba cops keystone cops for letting those 'jerks' off the hook.

However, he said he saw a report from the FBI himself, stating there report is she was very drunk, on cocaine and died while with the J2K's and they disposed of her body.  Someboy emailed questioning his reliable source and he said, it was from the FBI!?

WOW

that is killing JOE TACODIARRAH

Yes HAMMER, we all saw it/knew it.  The problem is in Aruba they consider it a sport not a crime. 

If that's true, then THAT'S ALL IT SHOULD TAKE!!

THAT'S ENOUGH, THAT'S ENOUGH, THAT'S ENOUGH!

It's New, it's Damning, it's enough!

well well well
BOR can kiss my ass

since when has the FBI been able to verify anything like that

they have not seen the body and it probably said " drunk and on POSSIBLY some type of drug
like cocaine

BOR - can shut his face anytime

I am hoping they find evidence like Jorans shoes found with Natalee,It would be quite damning evidence. If what Kescah told us is true then the Van Der Sloot camp is very worried about this ocean search.

Out of all the bugs I would hate to eat it would be the spider  :shock:  :wink:

I saw that!  He claimed to have seen some kind of FBI report that said this.  Normally I believe him but I have my doubts about this.  I think he is reading something like drug overdose and assuming it means drugs taken voluntarily by her, not a drugging.

So just what was it these three conspired to do to American tourist girls and how could they be sure their plans would work?  They couldn't possibly be just counting on the girls to render themselves incapacitated within the thirty minutes of closing time when these jerks make their grand entrance at C&C. 

Their time of arrival speaks to their MO.

.

i would eat it for ya

i like em  :cool:

Well that maked "ZERO" sense. If that is all that occurred they would have just left her on the beach as they claimed. If a person had died of just alcohol/cocaine then it would have just been a case of a tourist over-indulging.

Why would there need be a reason to get rid of her body?

Oh maybe because the cocaine was really a date rape drug that would have been determined in an autopsy. Also, an autopsy would have showed a sexual assault.

There is a reason why they got rid of her body and it was to hide the evidence. That is obvious.

One of Joran's classmates posted here early on that this teacher said he had a black eye, even took a picture of him and he said the teacher was transferred to Ethiopia that summer.  This was one of Joran's classmates the one who told us he took an APT test and not a regular test and the scores of which are not known until about the time the student begins his first semester/quarter of college.  So there is no way that kinkyhead liar knew that he "maxed" his test, since the results were failing, 40/100.

I am having a strange and nutty day. Got a long service award from work, went back to my ofice, spoke to Union Guy, filing a formal grievance against my direct supervisor. ( Been thinking and seeking advice on that one for a week or two ).
Eating chocaltes from a gift I had for one of the secuity guys, oh well, I will buy him another tomorrow.
Got the Dana show on, playing Wizards of Winter in other room, lights out and Christmas Angel on.
But man on man, did I look hot today.
Still do as a matter of fact.
..
I did my reading, we all knew most of this. Makes a lady want to get a hammer
out and fix a few things, except, they are all far away.
..

And who gave the FBI this information?  ARUBA the big fu@#ing liars.

Klaas? Lazlo's reliable, right? SURELY if that was said on TV, then others will transcribe it! GUYS, THAT SHOULD HAVE KEPT THEM HELD UNTIL THEY ANSWERED HOW THEY KNEW IT!!

MOS SAID THE CHAT STATED: " THE FACT THAT SHE'S DEAD IS NOT GOOD"

PUT THAT HOURS AFTER SHE WENT MISSING, AND THAT IS ENOUGH!

Violence and DNA.

Hi Monkeys  :smt039

I left this in the  Trade Show thread... but just thought some of you might want to plug in your zip code...


It's NOT OVER  !! 
JMO of Course

IF (and that's a big if) she died from taking cocaine -- why would they dispose of her body? It would because she ALSO had signs of being severely beaten and had all of their incriminating DNA in her.

If the FBI said that, then the FBI can kiss my ass as well but I think BOR got his wires crossed and read it as voluntary when it was not.

Besides, they kept my hard drive and won't give it back, lost it or something.

 :cool: :lol: :lol:

Dr. Sharon Morris May, author of “How To Argue So Your Spouse Will Listen: 6 Principles for Turning Arguments into Conversations“

http://www.amazon.com/Argue-Your-Spouse-Will-Listen/dp/0849918685

JOE TACO has been caught in a GIANT LIE

once again

NO NEW EVIDENCE


this kills your client JOE.........JOE  HELLO JOE    JOE HELLO

he has passed out from telling so many lies

RU

Vladimir wrote:

You mean she stepped forward again for the new investigators and made a new witness statement about remembering Joran acting strange and on the phone all day? Or she gave that info back then on the 31st and Mos only found the statement recently?

Glenda Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:52 pm

I can't be 100% sure. Is her name on the Original Witness list? Either way, she originally told Members of the Press and Natalee's Family that Joran came to school with scratches and bruises. I guess she changed it for the Dutch to acting strange. Mos never said anything today about Joran receiving phone calls at school. 

FBI is just quoting what Dompig had told them......not what they knew.

Dayhiker ... considering the happenings of this past week ... I am not at all optimistic in regards to the Phil McGraw defamation lawsuit.  I do not know but ... I am suspicious that the attorneys of Deepak and Satish will now have a legal opt-out in regards to the disclosure of requested documents.

Think about it ... apparently Deepak and Satish have been declared by the Aruban court as no longer being suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.  My worst nightmare ... the case documents pertaining to the Kalpoes will be sealed and ... those two are going to receive a settlement from Phil McGraw or ... the court will award compensation on their behalf.

Tell me that I am wrong!

Janet

Joran said Deepak and Satish never had a girlfriend.

So guess that leaves him.

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When BOR made that statement about the drugs and alcohol
on the show with Geraldo, he said that he was quoting a
 government official in Aruba.
I remember him saying that.

Posted at RU:

Noshedidn't Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:59 pm   

On Bill O'R
Guest: Reporter Dilma Arends
Aruba investigative reporter Dilma Arends elaborated on the Natalee Holloway investigation, implying that Aruba authorities may have a stronger case than many people realize. "Aruba authorities have been using cell sites and the cell phone batteries to determine the movement of the boys involved. For example, they were able to determine that Joren Van Der Sloot got home at 4 AM. So I think they have more proof than they are telling us." The Factor asserted that Arends' claims will provide comfort to Natalee's family. "What you just told us makes a difference to the Holloway family because it gives them some hope. There should be a way for the government to get more information to the family that is not going to damage the case." 

Robots and other Good Monkeys... keep the truth out there and J4N

"BOR can kiss my ass"
Another lady feels the same way.
The reason they didn't have this " evidence " B4 is because they never looked for it. Too busy eating the donuts.Would I like to bake a few for Denis Jacobs and they would be " special " donuts I can assure you !
I have to report for Jury selection here in Canada.
Too bad it wasn't for this case in Aruba. 

YEP

and what time was paulus picking up the SLOOT JERK ?

4 am

If those murderers get rich for killing Natalee, I swear we're going as a group on that Monkey Bus to Aruba and do something to create world attention!

Hmm That makes it about 6:30AM the same time as the reported calls to the Santa Cruz area.

you are smart to feel that way
but  they will never get a DIME  :cool:

Yeah, but where are the tips for turning a conversation into an arugument? 

Just kidding, just kidding!

 :D

Been a rough day.

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I missed that! Did anyone else see it on BOR?

a 10 year old once said

"tell your wife she is pretty even if she looks like a dump truck"



hehehheheehehehe............... :lol:

Can I have a ticket to ride the monkey bus to Aruba? After 34 years of teaching in an urban high school, this retired, menopausal, (and slightly insane) teacher is ready for some serious buttkicking! I got plenty of time, too!

Darivah

Wasn't there some skinny skank named Flor ?

You know our State Department may have had some inkling about this all along, because in 1993, Clinton imposed the warning at the State Department site and it was further iterated upon subsequent to Natalee's disappearance in 2005, by the Bush State Department, and it dealt with things like white slavery, human trafficking, drug trafficking, etc, etc.  So how's one to know this blanket statement did not include such as this; however, having said that, now that it is clear that some person(s) can be identified and this has been a part of a "confession" over the internet, what's to say Beth & Dave do not have a good case against Aruba?  Maybe they will just sue and then Robin's friend, Mark, can go to work for Dave, because I suspect if this was in an American courtroom, having meted out no punishment to the 3 amigoes with such clear evidence, someone would be paid a big amount of money and it would not be the Karpool boys or the Meathead family.

The same 10 year old was asked what "getting old" means. He answered,"You get old when your bones quit growing, but your skin doesn't."

   Yes, long ago. I wondered WTF with the batteries?

Yes, about 2.7 years ago, CBB.  Not today.

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Yes, I posted her photo a few pages back.

So many skanks, such a small island.

Hon, your desire to kick butt IS your ticket! You've got a seat anytime!

Up next on Dana Pretzer

John Goodwin, Manager of The Humane Society of the United States discussing the Michael Vick sentence.

THEN!

George “Jug” Twitty, Natalee Holloway’s stepfather.

OK, Dana! Are you distributing Teasers???  :shock: :lol:

Teaser from Dana ... Jug Twitty interview and get ready to blow the lid off the Aruba investigation.

Guess what Aruba ... the gloves are off ... you can't jerk this family around anymore and extort them to behave in hopes that you people would do the right thing.

Aruban officials obviously proved they are incapable.

Get ready to see what its like to play with the big boys with no holds barred ...

Aruba, and you thought this would bring it to an end. You thought so very wrong.

Me too, Me Too! I want to hear it nnnnnooooooowwwwww!

And yes, I'd like some cheese with that whine, please.

What's Dana's number?

"Aruba authorities have been using cell sites and the cell phone batteries to determine the movement of the boys involved. For example, they were able to determine that Joren Van Der Sloot got home at 4 AM

I think it's been obvious for a long time that PVDS was the one who picked up Joran and brought him home. He never walked and it was neither of the Kalpoes. Natalee was most definetly at the Van Der Sloot house either right after C&C or at 4AM after something horrible happened. Perhaps even both times.

Jossy had a sudden engagement that he had forgotten. Had to cancel, but will be on next week.

I watched it and missed that too!

I LOVE it when you talk that way!! There's a very fertile resource right here on this forum for anything we can organize or do!!! We're ALL in!

Oh, ok,  Thanks Red!  I am so excited to hear from Jug!  Can we skip the rest, right to him? :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, look at the role models those girls have.. Julia, Anita Loco Stef, and I can't remeber the names, guess thats why Joran called his gorlfriends Fishy

Michael Vick should be tied down with steaks all over him in a pen with a dozen large pit bulls and Rottweilers.  For days and days and days.

.

Love the 2 guests, but getting impatient to hear from Jug!!! lol
I wondered about Jossy too...what happened?

In the teaser Greta did, she honed right in on the statement that Natalee was dead. She stated that if this chat occured within the first few days after she went missing, then it was hugely important. I HOPE she nails that down before her show!

I was really looking forward to hearing from Jossy and hope he can make it next week.

.

I am with ya Anna...but I just do;'t beleive the FBI gave Bill O'Riley a report on anything...why would they???

 :lol: :lol: :smt052 Stay as good as you are. Having done union grievances in the past... good luck. Great about your award and looking "hot"


Will someone be posting a transcript Dana's show (not in streaming video) for those of us with slow modems???

DIY TV show "Cool Tools" is showing a high powered power washer... wish we could take it to Aruba and clean it up!!! Name the thing "Here Comes Natalee"

yep...working on something as we speak :lol:

They wouldn't Sunny.  I don't know what BOR saw but it was not the FBI working theory on an active case.

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LOL ... come on, our 4 legged friends are important. And BTW Vick is finished, no one will want to touch that baggage.

IBE - I suspect I can get ahold of a transcript of Jug's portion of Dana Pretzer.  I'll post it as soon as I see it  :wink:

Count me in!

Glad you are with us Darivah,We have the persistence on our side and aren't even close to giving up :wink:

Dana will back in a minute. I'll try to post important points from the show, but since I hunt and peck, I'm a really slow typer and it won't resemble a transcript. I'm sure there will be posts so that those with slow modems can follow along.  :wink:

I am the worse, so sorry, they were great interviews!!

Oh I think we are mulling over some ideas ;)

Interesting....look what I found on the list!

ACE Family-Friendly Vacations
Contact: Staci Blunt
2234 S. Estrella, xxxxxxx
Tel: xxxxxxx; Fax: xxxxxxxEmail: info@family-friendlyvacations.com
Website: http://www.family-friendlyvacations.com  

  94 Guests, 39 Users
Users active in past 15 minutes:
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Hmmm 95 guests,  wonder how many haters are listening in ready to pounce on whatever Jug has to say.  I'm sure Klaas and others are keeping a close eye out...  Thank God they can't call in!

Get ready to rumble!   :lol:

Looks like there are lots of us waiting.....Hi to the guests....time to hear TRUTH!!!

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aruba has done more harm to themselves than they ever imagined


option 1. was to solve the case, go to trial and convict

this would have not harmed tourism hardly at all, because people would have said
"it was horrible what happened but aruba showed they will not tolerate it and prosecuted the guilty people"
tourism would recover quickly

option 2. was to   cover up crimes, ignore facts, blame the family, act like nothing happened and when EVIDENCE clearly shows what happened, they ignore it


yea, thats exactly what will help tourism

and now its TOO LATE

i will not advise anyone to ever go there...EVER

what they did was unforgiveable

bye bye aruba - i hope you rot in hell


 :cool:

This needs to be sent to Greta too. She doesn't listen to me  :roll:

Yeah baby!  Go Jug... let 'er rip!  Knock the lid off this can of chit!

Dana said a bad word.   :shock:

LOL, I just posted that on last page and there were 95 guests!  Wonder if we gained that many or lost them? 

We're off and running!!!! Jug's here!

Jossy sent an e-mail to Dana:

5hrs. after Natalee disappeared Joran talked with a girl.

Kalpoe's hold a press conference tomorrow.

DANA:  Hi Jug - Just got an email from Jossy - the Prosecutor held a press conference and explained the evidence.  Kalpoes are holding a press conference tomorrow.

JUG:   Been through this for 2 1/2 years, nothing surprises me.  They could have solved the case by the 3rd day.  They didn't act on it.  Jug feels sorry for the people of Aruba, they are the ones that have to live with their Government.  None of them have any backbone.  Jossy is the only person on the island that will help.  Jossy isn't affraid of anybody. 

JUG: We gave them all the information, we dug for it, and they did not act on it. Jossy's the only person on the island that Jug felt would help them.

The suspect's laptops were taken from them on the 9th day. Why is this new now?

 :shock:  I don't think Satish can speak.

Must be their lawyers?

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JUG: Feels it was possible that it was an accident. They could have put something in her drink and she flipped out and died. Why didn't they come help look for her? Paulus, Satish, Joran, and Deepak know what happened.

Wow, I now have a sister! :lol: :lol: We just have to have some plans and we can do it from the good 'ole US

Help.. what's being said on Dana's great show????

I keep telling my friends how the Monkeys have helped... informing the media when they are wrong, upping the ante in Aruba, protesting tourist travel shows, the boycott, keeping the word out and since the Natalee case that more missing persons are being covered by the media.. especially cable shows like Greta, BOR, HC, Nancy Grace.

They are always amazed that a group of people of all ages, but probably mostly over "50" on the Internet can do so much. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Almost every American Legion I have been in lately, when there is no ballgame on, has Fox News Channel on. Many, many Vets are aware of what is going on in Aruba with the BS of an American girl and are not happy.

unless a PILL accidently fell out of the pockets into Natalee's mouth while they were in the bar....     :roll:it wasnt an accident


i know what jug means, but accidents are accidents

purposely drugging someone is not an accident

JUG: Sometimes I see Paulus' face at night and he is evil

Aruban investigation Name association with Jug, LOL

Glad we have the 7 second delay on ...  :shock:

Let's roll just tell me how and where! I am behind in reading here, sorry :roll:

Like to rumble and tumble, at any age!

:)

Jug confirms wha we all knew. Van Der Straaten is the reason this wasnt solved the first week. He's dirty and he started the Cover Up!!!

Van der Stratten would sit across from Jug and listen to Jug ask about something that he had read from the interrogations and deny it was said. Van der Stratten had been in the interrogations and knew it was said. Jug knew Van der Stratten was dirty and had some connection to Paulus.

IBE - I'm hoping a full transcript of Jug's interview on Dana will be posted (Heli at RU) soon after the show. 

LOL  I love DANA!  He can't stand to say Tacoboy's name!   :D

im listening to I shot the sheriff - clapton at hyde park


is van der strattttoon a sheriff ??

 :wink:

Joran kept telling them that night that she stumbled and hit her head as they were on the way to the HI. Jug's theory is that she tried to fight and may have fallen out of the car.

JUG:  ALE Eric Soemers told him their was fluid on the headliner of Deepak's car

Eric Summers (sp) told Jug that there was fluid in the headliner of that car. Jug is sure that has been buried.

JUG:  I believe Natalee was taken to the Sloots and may have been at the house when Beth and Jug showed up there.

OMG.  We all thought this could have happened.

Close enough. :lol:

Jug definately believes Natalee was at the house. He thinks it is possible that she was there when they arrived at the Sloots, and that perhaps she was removed from the house as they were sent on the wild goose chase to the casino. The boys were sweaty and most definately had not been to a casino.

i think the bull crap about the k2 brothers having a flat tire while they are in the back of the  police car with SLoot killer....

is a way for joran and paulus to have a reason to LEAVE their House
at 4-5 AM ... cause they had to go help the k2 brothers


there was NO flat tire but they needed an excuse to leave their house in case they were seen driving off at 4-5 am from their house

what you think about that.............????

pretty good huh !!!

JOE T just got a copy of that  :cool:

:)

Jug said that the cops kept asking me if Natalee was epileptic....

JUG: Natalee was a goody two shoes in comparison to 90% of the kids on that trip. He doesn't think there's any way she was involved in drugs, but something was probably slipped in her drink.

What would you propose happens to Aruba who treats women near the same way Vick treated the dogs, and treats dogs worse?  I think there is a special pit bull hell for all of them.

She must have had a seizure from the drugs they gave her or a head injury and the suspects saw that.

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JUG: Beth and Dave asked Mos questions for 4 hours and he wouldn't answer.

He thinks Anita knows something and that Paulus and Joran control her. She's a very weak person.

One would think that a seizure may have been referenced some where ... and why does one just start to go into convulsions?  If it were just an accident ... then the 3 would have just left her on the beach. It would have been looked at as an accidental overdose.

By hiding and disposing of a body ,,, that means accidental was not the case and other crimes were committed.

Well, of course you know she will blame it on the Karpool boys and maybe even drag Lorenzo into it, or Boeti.  She is not going to admit her beloved pimple faced boy could do such a horrendous thing.

I can't think of anything bad enough, Tyler!

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the cops knew what happened because the witnessed the CONFESSION from JORAN

Whoever is pulling the strings in Aruba is orchestrating this whole thing. It's all timing.

Head Injury imo

All these little tid bids prove to me that she was alive at the Sloots.  Paulus Van der Sloot let Natalee die.  This would make him the murderer.