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LOL! I was back there thinking somebody's silk long underwear had a nap to the material!  :lol:

You're talking about a silk Christmas tree???

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UPDATE: Fri. 21-Dec - 0350 hrs
The sonar search is progressing forward very well, ranging in water depths from shallow to around 900 ft. The data quality is terrific. The seafloor morphology although complicated, is much more accommodating than expected. Once the sonar search is completed, the ROV dives will commence.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
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Those ROV dives are gonna be huge as they closely examine the images they see on the sonar. I am a bit excited but I pray they have good info and this is all over with quickly. We heard from one of the guys running the expedition and he said he was 90% sure Natalee would be found if she was in the water. I agree with him as long as she wasn't buried too far out  We know most everything in this case seems to not have one solid answer but offers several scenarios. Maybe the same is true in this search and this may take a bit as they hit all the target areas.I wish you guys the best of luck if you are reading here.

Speaking of funny, for some reason when Tyler asks something, people will reply to Anna and vice versa.  Tonight I logged on and Klaas was telling me to go to this Roomba website and listen to the little recording of sounds they make.  So I did thinking this was something related to investigation or something, trying to make sense of it all, lol.

Then Tyler answered and I knew you meant her instead of Anna but had me going there for a moment!

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Anna I just showed those puppy pics to my oldest daughter and we both agree they are just too cute.

Are these guys going to be there through Christmas? I keep them in my prayers.

******* Thank you for the info. Was just going to ask so would be on topic and you gave the info before I asked.

1) silk long underwear has no nap 2) if you turned your tree upside down in the bathroom with the steam and then let it dry that way, maybe it would bounce back but then again, it might shrink!

Today my dentist's secretary asked me about what is really going on in Aruba and the dentist who could afford to go anywhere in the world says he will never go to Aruba.. actually he told me that this time last year also.

So there Aruba!

Thanks!!  CBB made me post them to get to Page 50, of course.

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oops, sorry Anna.  I know I do that sometimes.  Been trying to do too many things at once I think.   :lol:

As far as I know yes.  Maybe some of them will fly home for a day or two?  I really don't know.

Yes,up to 2 weeks from arrival.

Your welcome IBE  :D

That is really special that they will give of their time during this season like this.

Yes, if she is there, I think they will find her and if not, at least Natalee's family will know that for sure she isn't and will not be always wondering and wishing they knew.

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I hope the suspects see those crystal clear images and know how well they can see on the bottom ocean floor.

It is truly amazing and should one have cause to be concerned, could result in loss of sleep and even worse dark circles under their beady eyes.

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Such sacrifice in the face of all the evil that surrounds this case is astonishing. It's like walking out of a dark movie theatre into the light and breathing the fresh air. If you're reading here, guys, we love you!

Turn your head upside down and blow it dry. Think silk Christmas tree.  :D

LOL  :lol:  You really wouldn't want me to do that.  You know what BleachedBlack's hair looks like?  Mine would be twice as bad, LOL  :lol: :lol:  One thing I'm not short of is hair.   :lol:

Going to give these decorations one last shot and call it a day.

Nite, all!

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Nite Anna

Morning, Monkeys.  Just wanted to thank the Persistence personnel for their persistence during these holidays when even medical, military, fire and law enforcement people are usually the only persistent workers.  God bless them.  It is the time of miracles and let's hope they bring about a miracle for Natalee.

Thank you, Monkeys for my OT problem.  I got up a couple hours ago and started Roomba.  IT IS GREAT.  DH awakened from the noise and he LOVES it.  See, I knew he would.  It got up under my sofa and brought out a ton of cat hair even after the new housekeeper did a good job yesterday. 

Thank you, PERSISTENCE PERSONNEL AND MONKEYS. 

Good morning.  So I guess the rooomba is over in the corner now saying "I"m DONE!"

The ocean search team is very close to my heart these days.  It appears they are getting some great pictures of the sea floor which is exactly what's needed here.

Tyler, you are up early today!

Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php


Good morning Monkeys
I brought this over from the last thread.Did anyone hear about a tennis teacher drowning on aruba almost 3 years ago?Would this be before or after they murdered Natalee?I wonder if this drowning tennis teacher(if true)was a teacher of joran's?Somehow I can't picture either of the 2K's playing tennis.
Also,Wix is now the atty for both kalpoe brother's?

I thought Wix was now Deepak's atty and Satish got the other guy.  Not sure.  I thought the court said they needed separate attys but since they're on the freakin' loose, who knows?

Good Morning Karma...I was in the Murder and Crime thread and found this. Don't know if it is related.

ARUBA           
Date of Death    Place of Death    Cause of Death
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
January 26, 2005    ORANJESTAD, ARUBA    Other Accident
February 8, 2005    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA    Drowning
March 12, 2005    WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA    Drug-Related
June 8, 2006    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, ARUBA    Veh. Accid.-Auto
October 4, 2006    SAN NICOLAS, ARUBA    Drowning

http://www.travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html


When I checked that link last week it did not work. I keep going back to that page trying to work out if this could be connected. Went back this morning after last nights discussion on the bank lady and the incinerator guy.



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Elvis Kelly and his wife Gladys were at the casino the same night Joran and Natalee were. It's in Andre dos Santos statement.

Elvis Kelly is related to Gregorio Kelly. Gregorio Kelly was just murdered in the Netherlands. It appears it happened at a casino.



 

An awful lot of drownings on Aruba for such a small place.  I don't think there are that many in the state of Florida per year. :roll:

Peaches, it is good to see you.  OT, but did you get the CAT/PET? And if so, how was it?  Of course, I am praying for it to be totally negative.  What a trooper you are!

Karma, Mum, there is far too much drowning and mysterious dying on Aruba.  I think Interpol needs to look into all these suicides, murders, drownings, mysterious deaths.  This seems like a place to send your worst enemy if you want them to die, or even your best friend could die there if they were "set up" by someone even though they were unknown to the island.  The more I think about that cartoon about Natalee dying in 3 days, the more I feel Paulus was involved with Joran.

Good Morning Peaches....It appears Wix is a little mouthy. Wonder what sort of compensation he is talking about. Would not think that Satish could sue because he is still in high school!

I have been thinking that maybe we need a thread to document all the suspicious deaths that could be associated to this case.

Ms Maple has a summary on page 16 of the Murder and Crime thread which could start with.

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

In the article of the supposed 2K press announcement yesterday,it says Wix is satish's atty but Wix seems to also be speaking for deepak....maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

anyone that thinks Natalee RAN AWAY is so out of touch with things it is skerrrrrry

not to mention - shows the true NON intelligence of certain people

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Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

Good morning Mum
Do we know when deepak was supposed to have had this discussion about the teacher drowning?It would seem from the above info(thanks for the info!)that he was either talking about a drowning from 7/2004 or 2/2005 or 10/2006,if these are the only drownings reported on aruba and we know how they like to report crimes and such haha

another amazing coincidence  :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

DEEPACKALIES is talking and thinking about a teacher that died - within hours of
him raping and killing Natalee

mmmmmmmmm....sure

makes PERFECT SENSE -----------NOT

I think the same.I think paulus and joran and the pimps of aruba targeted sweet Natalee.

Im not exactly the most handsome robots in town but when people GO out of their way to make themselves look ridiculous - it makes you wonder

ohhh, so you want an example??

ok, stand by  :cool:

Good Morning Monkeys!!!
Robots, you have been very busy on your signs...great job!!! lol
Peaches hope you are feeling well!!!
Persistance we are all thinking of you and praying for you!!!

she looks like a combination of RONALD MCDONALD, BOZO the CLOWN and a giant BEDSPREAD :cool:

good morning  :cool:

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is that the bull dog with BOZO ??


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Karma...I think this was covered in what I read at 2AM this morning! :shock:

Lala's...Aruba was over in S and S for over 24 minutes a little while ago. Entered page 20 and exited the last page. Referred page 2.

roflmao!
GIANT bedspread.....  :smt044

Morning monkeys!  Today is busy for me...going to the museum to meet friends.  I tried the blow drying upside down trick...now do you guys manage to stand on your head so long?  :roll:  Coffee anyone? 

I need some assistance...I know it involves answering some questions, but humor me this early.  Please tell me if the following people are Dutch, Aruban or whatever. TIA

Correct any mistakes I have, please.

Oduber....Aruban
Rudy Croes....Aruban
van der Straaten.....Dutch
Sloots....Dutch
Kalpoes....Suriname
Steve Croes....Aruban
Gottenbos.....Dutch
Guido.....Dutch
GVC.....Dutch
Dennis Jacobs.....Aruban??
Eric Soemers.....Aruban??
Ben King....Dutch
Charles Croes...Aruban??
Freddy...Aruban??

she is lost in space - delicious sporter  :roll: :roll:

yea, i guess morons do think that drinking MASSIVE amounts of alcohol is a sport

i cant see a single person on that list that is even remotely worth 2 cents

The part I find so incredibly and ironically mystifying.......

Aruba would rather have it's dirty stinking filthy laundry aired for the world to see --

Aruba would rather have all the corruption and coverup exposed for the world to see --

Aruba would rather to have all it's lawlessness and seediness and anti 'tourist' activites be published for the world to see --

Aruba would rather that the Dutch investigation allow the 'truth's' to be reported for the world to see --

Aruba would rather that Joe Lacopenis represent thier 'image' to the world --

Rather than punish those that are guilty and party to Natalee's disappearance.


Have you noticed how carefully Lacopenis says 'my client had nothing to do with the disappearance'????

He NEVER says 'my client had nothing to do with the death'.

Justice for Natalee Holloway

Dompig  Suriname?

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

"If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court," said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe.
more....... Aruban defense attorneys dispute alleged evidence in Holloway case - International Herald Tribune

Charles Croes also holds a US passport.

Sad, sickening and embarrassing -- but true.

Also not sure on Steve Croes.

I don't what passport Freddy holds -- but iirc, he is Venezuelan -- just like his brother Ernesto.

If the Prosecutor, himself, has documented a pattern of behavior against American tourist girls (not to mention Deepak discussing behavior with multiples in the hotel rooms), I don't see how anybody can sue the family for anything.  I think the last Prosecutors statement is an ace in a hole for Dr. Phil.  Hope Phil ammends his disclosure request to get the latest interpretation.

Charles Croes was born in NY and his parents
live in Palm Beach County, FL.

Steve Croes -- Curacao.


(HI MUM!!!!)

Good Morning Sharon....yes... born in New York

You forgot Harpo Marx... :lol:

Good point Buckeye!

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

That was the NOVA interview, I think.

Thanks Tyler, just wanted some confirmation that I was not the only one that read that. It was concerning Lorenzo/Anita. Will check with Klaas when she gets here. Thanks again.

This is it I think....


Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Jeroen Pauw
Reporter (Twan Huys): Twan Huys
Paul van der Sloot: Paul van der Sloot
Anita van der Sloot: Anita van der Sloot
Voiceover:  Paul and Anita van der Sloot speak for the first time about the dramatic disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the possible connection with that disappearance and their 17 year old son, Joran.

Paul van der Sloot: Because Joran didn't tell the truth immediately, he has brought himself into a difficult position, because of which, of course, there will be doubts about his later declarations.

[snip introduction of other news items]

Host (Jeroen Pauw): Good evening, welcome to Nova. The disappearance of Natalee has now been over a month.  Later, we have an exclusive interview with Paul and Anita van der Sloot, the parents of Joran, the Dutch main suspect.  Paul was released from prison Sunday night. But, first, the facts of a month of stress, misery and the American media circus on the island of Aruba.

Voiceover:  May twenty-fourth, Natalee Holloway, an eighteen year old school girl goes with a hundred of her fellows to Aruba for a five day vacation.  May thirtieth, on the last vacation evening, she goes to Carlos 'n Charlies bar. Friends see her step into a car around one o' clock.  May thirty-first, the next morning, she doesn't show up for the flight back to America. The police find her packed bags and her passport in her hotel room.  June second,  her family starts a search action and offers a reward of  fifty thousand dollars for tips.

[Video clip of Beth talking and showing some cards she hands out]

Voiceover:  June fourth, there are three young suspects. They say they have dropped Natalee at her hotel at two am. Security cameras did not record that. One of the three boys is the son of an Aruban judge.

M Croes: The stories among them also didn't match. Then they were marked as suspects.
Reporter: The three witnesses became suspects and spoke against each others' statements?
M Croes:  What I can say is that the declaration they made as witnesses weren't right. No.

Voiceover:  June eighteenth,  the Aruban police question Paul van der Sloot, judge in training and father of one suspect, Joran.  June twenty-third, the father is even arrested and held for three days. June twenty-sixth, the day before yesterday, Paul van der Sloot, the father of Joran becomes free again.

Arie Swan (attorney for Paul  van der Sloot ): He wants to process this. I believe that as a human he has the right to process this. He wants to go to his home as fast as possible, be with his wife and does not want to comment now. He does not want to say things he will regret later or will be interpreted differently by people. 

Host (Jeroen Pauw): Ok, that was then, I am going to talk with Twan Huys in Aruba, because now the family van der Sloot has spoken. You have been there.  How was the situation?

Reporter (Twan Huys): We just came from the house.  First to explain, on the request of  the father, van der Sloot, we mention his full last name. He told me, "I am no longer a suspect and I have no objections if the family name comes into publicity now." Then, the situation in front of the house there, an absurd situation. There are a number of phones, mobile phones that are ringing every second. Every producer here of an American network tries to get an exclusive interview with the family. Sometimes, camera crews show up in front of the fence of the house.  The family barely dares to leave the house, because the moment they leave their house, camera crews are waiting for them and ask for comments. The other view inside the house is that there are many bouquets of flowers from people on the island and friends, also from the Netherlands, who want to support the family. What I noticed, the hours we were there, is that the parents feel locked up in that house. They are being assisted by two friends, lawyers from the Netherlands.  They try to help, but it is, also for them, a matter of waiting of what is going to happen.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  How long did you speak with the parents?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  We entered at eight o clock, Aruban time, and it wasn't certain we were going to get this interview.  They wanted to have an orientation talk first, and eventually after a few hours they agreed to a talk, the reason being that they wanted to offer counterweight against all the publicity from the family of Natalee Holloway. Most of all, because the American media for weeks, on and on, every evening, pays so extremely much attention to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and so also to the honor of the van der Sloot family. Indeed, my first question was, "Why this interview today for NOVA?"

Paul van der Sloot:  Actually, I didn't want to speak about this case at all.  What is at hand is that that girl is found and brought back.  That is where all the attention should be directed.  In fact, me, the family, we are side issues.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Why are you doing it anyway? Why do you speak about the case?

Paul van der Sloot:  I am being forced now, because of the enormous media circus that is being built around it. That puts Joran and my family in the picture.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  I just saw you are wearing a bracelet.

Anita van der Sloot: Yes. 

Reporter (Twan Huys):  "Hope for Natalee" is written on that.  Why do you wear that?

Anita van der Sloot:  Because, I really, really hope that girl appears. I have a very positive feeling she is alive, that she is somewhere, and I hope she appears, and that is something we all want.  That is what we thought from the start, wanted and hoped.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Which function do you have here at the island?  Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?

Paul van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  So, you are replacement judge?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Mrs. Croes.

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

Paul van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity.  It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?

Paul van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Jan van der Straaten.

Paul van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Twan, let's go back to Monday evening, the thirtieth of May.  That was a crucial night. What happened then?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  It is the evening, Jeroen, on which the parents of Natalee fly into Aruba.  More precisely, the mother and the stepfather.  They don't believe she just walked away, or that there is nothing wrong.  They are sure something serious is going on. So they take the first plane from Alabama, where they are from, to here, Aruba, and arrive in the evening. They go to the police and together go to the house of Joran, of the van der Sloot family . Then, it is night already, around two. In the middle of the night, they arrive there with a company of police and other people and they ring.  The father, van der Sloot is sleeping, he opens the door and asks,  "What is going on? Why are are here?"  " For our disappeared daughter, who was last seen with your son."  He doesn't know all that yet. The father van der Sloot goes to an apartment, next to the house, where Joran always sleeps and opens the door and Joran is not in his apartment.  He is not sleeping  there. And then, the father picks up the mobile phone, he calls his son and he appears to be in a casino somewhere here on Aruba at that time.   And that is where we pick up the story. The son is in a casino and eventually there is a meeting at the house of van der Sloot with all these people. The parents of Natalee, the son and the father.

Paul van der Sloot: He was, at that moment, again, not at home without me knowing it. Then, I called Joran on his mobile phone, and then he said that he was by the Wyndam. That is also a casino here in the neighborhood. Then, we drove there immediately, but he had, he said that he had misunderstood me, because he came home already. So, then all of us went back home, and around three, with quite a group, we spoke with Joran that night.

Reporter (Twan Huys): How did that conversation go?

Paul van der Sloot: Understandably, these people were quite excited [3]. I  tried to calm these people down as much as possible. I also said to Joran, he has to direct himself as much as possible to the police officers and not to  the people of whom it was uncertain what their status was.

Reporter (Twan Huys): You didn't want him to let himself be interrogated, or maybe started saying things that were not right to total strangers?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, I think, anyway it was, for me, more trusting, if he would direct himself to the police officers.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Did it become clear for you what happened that night, with Joran in relation to Natalee?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, that became clear to me.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Which story did he tell you then?

Paul van der Sloot: That he initially met her earlier that day in the Holiday Inn casino, where he was, as well, to play a free tournament.  That, then it was agreed to meet in Carlos and Charlies.  That, he initially did not want that, but that he went there anyway, and that he met her there, in Carlos and Charlies. That, then, with his two friends, Deepak and Satish, drove around a bit with her around the island, that they were making out [4] some on the backseat and that in the end he dropped her off at the Holiday inn. That was the story.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  And you thought, "This is it, now it is done."

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, I continued to believe in that story.  I had never, all these days after, received a clue that it would be incorrect.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  When did you find out that it was, nevertheless, different than how it was told by your son in the first place?

Paul van der Sloot:  He was arrested and then he changed his declaration.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Ok, Twan, so there are different declarations. What did Joran say in his second declaration?

Reporter (Twan Huys): Very simple, Jeroen, in his first declaration, he has said that, indeed,  that he went, together with his two friends and Natalee, to the beach and that, that night, deep in the night, actually in the morning, all of them went back to the Holiday Inn hotel, where she was staying, and dropped her off there. That story is incorrect. That story, as told, has been retracted by Joran and also by his both friends, who are also still stuck [in jail].  He did that as soon as he was arrested and was interrogated by the police. He also never told the story as he told to the police to his parents.  His declaration now is that he left Natalee alone on the beach, and then went home by himself, and that his two friends were nowhere near that. That is the second version, and until now Joran holds on to that, under severe police interrogation. 

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Any idea how Natalee's parents will react if they will see this interview, between you and the parents of Joran?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  I have, like I said to you in the broadcast of yesterday, trodded along the past two days with the parents of Natalee, at least with her mother and stepfather. They are convinced that the son, Joran, and the father, Paul, are the key to finding their daughter back, and I think they will not be convinced by the interview.  But they have not seen it, because we just recorded it. Anyway, I asked Paul van der Sloot, what he thinks of the fact that the parents of Natalee are convinced that the answer to all their questions are with the Van der Sloot family .

Paul van der Sloot:  I have also spoken with the mother and I think it is a pity that, apparently, I have not been able to convince her that that is not the case. During that conversation, I had the feeling I had a reasonable contact with her and I tried to make it clear that the key is not with us, but, apparently, she didn't pick it up that way.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Can you imagine the suspicion from them after the first declaration of Joran was incorrect? And that in there, other things were said than what really happened?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, because Joran did not tell the truth immediately, he has brought himself in a cumbersome position, as a result of which, his later declarations can be doubted. He brought himself into that position, yes. Possibly, he can give an explanation why he changed his declaration, but that is the difficult position that he is in.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  The picture that is being painted in the American media is that Aruba is an island where everybody knows everybody. Mr. van der Sloot is with the judicial powers, he can pull strings other people can't, he knows everyone and that is why there is no breakthrough in this case. What is your reaction to that?

Paul van der Sloot: That is completely incorrect.  The moment it became clear that Joran was going to be involved in this case in one way or another, I asked for leave and I have not been at the court anymore.  That is, to make very clear, most of all, I am now a father and not a judge.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Because you realized that else these stories would be brought into the world?

Paul van der Sloot:  In this situation you have to avoid every appearance [of impropriety].

Reporter (Twan Huys): On the day you were arrested, this past Thursday, with which communication were you told?  What was told to you as to why you were taken into custody?

Paul van der Sloot: That was not told to me when I was apprehended.  During the apprehension I was told that I was suspected of complicity to murder manslaughter and usurpatory freedom spoliation (kidnapping).  During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran.  And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee, while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's. That is, of course remarkable that the public prosecutor's office adds two witness statements of people who were standing somewhere in the back, and not the witness declaration from the police officers, where I direct myself to, and directed myself to, as much as possible.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  And these declarations were the base for your arrest and incarceration?

Paul van der Sloot: Together with the fact that I allegedly instructed the boys, Deepak, Satish and Joran what they should do, say or do, in case of a possible apprehension. And indeed, I have, when I foresaw that they could go from witness to suspect, explained them the procedure, with the intention that they will not panic. But, also that was enough for the prosecutor's office to suspect me of complicity.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Yes, now, Joran is still stuck [in jail].  Do his parents have any contact with him? Do they still speak with him?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Jeroen, only the mother is still allowed access to Joran. The father not, because he is a suspect, as well initially.  Maybe that changes in the upcoming days. The mother told me that Joran is under enormous pressure, that he is being interrogated for hours and that the two lawyers, the friends who were present this morning at their home were talking about an interrogation that looks like the currently forbidden, at least in the Netherlands, "Zaanse" interrogation method [7], which boils down to that indeed, you, for hours, put someone under pressure, and they are quite worried about that.  They also told that they were afraid that their son might, after all these weeks, possibly come through in a manner that has nothing to do with the truth and instead is going to say what is being expected from him.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Because, all in all, although he is being cocky and sits in the casino, he is a boy of 17.

Reporter (Twan Huys) to the host: Yes, he is a boy of 17 and his future was looking bright.  He had just done a few entry exams at a few universities in America and was also accepted at one university and he was going to give a party two weeks ago, he because he passed his exams. That didn't happen, of course. The big question is now what his parents think of his declarations until now. Do you still believe in the innocence of your son Joran?

Reporter (Twan Huys) to Paul: Are you still today convinced of the innocence of Joran?

Anita van der Sloot: Yes, yes, one hundred percent. Yes. I am sure Joran is innocent.

Paul van der Sloot: Yes. I, the way I know Joran, I can't imagine that he harmed that girl in any way.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Do you have an explanation for the fact that Joran initially told another story than what happened that night?

Anita van der Sloot:  I think that anxiety [6], panic, maybe.

Paul van der Sloot: There is, of course, one victim and that is Natalee and the parents.  That is the main issue, we assume that Natalee will reappear.  That would be the key. In that aspect, we stay side issues and this can be overcome. We shouldn't take on the role of victims. I still believe and hope that people think, that they see the madness of what is happening here, that at this moment it is actually not about the girl anymore, but that a whole circus has been built, a media circus, that has its own interests and its own agenda.  I hope people see that and that they realize what this is actually about.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): In closing, Twan, how should we weigh the words of these parents?

Reporter (Twan Huys):Jeroen, I had the impression they were sincere in the words they spoke to us.  The father of Joran compares his position with the writer, Albert Camu, who wrote a book De Val (The Fall).  He said, "Like in the eye of the hurricane." And again, I have the impression that they speak sincerely, but in the declarations of Joran there is unclarity, also the declarations of his two friends, and yeah, even a police team of 23 detectives don't get the bottom stone up, so it is very difficult to give a judgment about that.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Good. Hopefully, tomorrow you will be back with us with more news about this case of Natalee Holloway

There was an August 2005 interview with Paulus and Anita (that won't open now).  Paulus talks about working from home.  So, even though he says "for appearances" he didn't go to court, he was still working and therefore, communicating, with the courthouse people.  Had already been arrested and was still working from home.   :2doh:

This was CBS.  Link no longer works to videos, but the screen shot of topic is still there.

Thanks Magnolia...only see the reference to 6/18 in that one. 6/15 was the day of the house search which would make Wit and Voking the 2 friends I am reading about. As the house was searched that day it would make sense that Anita and Paulus were both questioned.

My answers in red.

I told you earlier in the week that I as contacting travel agents in my area asking them to consider not booking Aruba, particularly for family travel.  I received a very nice note back from one of them this morning.  They specialize in family travel.   I thought you would like to see it.  I think we can make a difference, one email at a time! 

Thank you for taking the time to write.  I appreciate your concern via your e-mail. 
 
Although I do specialize in family vacation planning, I take many country destination specialist courses to better serve my clients (which also include many adult-only vacations), and have sent only adults to Aruba at their specific, upfront requests.  Aruba  is not a destination that many families request from me.
 
I am well aware of the Natalee Holloway case and other issues Aruba has, and definitely take things like this into consideration when advising clients.  I have read both Dave and Beth Holloway's books and have much sympathy for their family.

Kalpoe vs. McGraw....is this accurate??

Future Hearings

01/03/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (Motion for Stay of Order;Motion for Substitution ofPersonal Representative forDeceased Deft.; Case ManagementConference; OSC RE: Plaintiffs'Failure to Appear on 12-7-07)

02/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion Pro Hac Vice

02/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))



12/18/2007 Notice (AND APPLICAITON BY OUT-OF-STATE COUNSEL JOSHUA D. YEAGER TO ASSOCIATE IN A PARTICULAR CASE, ETC. SET: 2-5-08 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

 :smt052

I think Charles Croes was born in the USA, maybe NY or PR.

Good Morning! 

I recall that interview but I have never seen any of the Sloots ever so much as mention Lorenzo.  Would be most interested to read about that.

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Charles Croes was born in NY.

I think he was relocated to Puerto Rico at some point.  I believe he served in the US military, so that could have been his Puerto Rican connection, big armed forces base there.

These are only the AMERICANS who have drowned, etc.  Does not list Arubans.  Was the alleged tennis teacher Aruban?  If so, she/he would not be on this list, just U.S. citizens listed here.

Somewhere we do have a list of accidental deaths of Arubans but not sure where any more.

Good Morning Anna.....LOL...as I know your feelings on Lorenzo! It was from an old post and a possible theory! As Lorenzo seems to have been questioned on 6/16, with one of the Max's. It was asked if it was at all possible that Anita implicated Lorenzo because of the stories of him being related to Paulus. He was mentioned as early as the 10th by posters and I read yesterday that Anita and Paulus were questioned on 6/15. Just looking at possibilities.

Thanks AZ Sunny. And Buckeye I saw your post about the Dr Phil case and I'm sorry I can't help any except that I did read that the Kalpoe legal team was a no show at the last hearing. It was the same day it was announced that they would be released.

To the best of my recollection which is almost nil, it was Arubagirl who first mentioned Lorenza here very early in June, probably about the time the PIMPS went to jail, and she might have indicated he was "strange" or "crazy," and I don't want to say that those were the exact words she used.  I think she might have meant he was just not mainstream.  He seems to keep a rather low profile, which in Aruba, does seem strange as everyone seems to want to be "out there."

Yes, I was just curious as to why the Sloots would be mentioning Lorenzo since he has absolutely no connection to them and I have never read of any of them so much as saying his name, not even Joran in his tell-all book.

Scubajap was the first I recall inventing the "illegitimate son" tale.  I notice Mos has no such delusions.

But then she also called Joran's bruises the next day "hickies" as a level of her truthfulness.  Any salacious story is good for her and Julia.

Have to get with the program of decorating around here but I was wondering why the Kalpoes attorney would come out and admit his clients are the ones named in two of the incidents specified by the Prosecutor like that.

Also we were NOT told what the conversation from within the Kalpoe home was about.  Have always thought that would be the most telling evidence.

And what happened to the talk of someone infiltrating and getting Joran on wire in The Netherlands?  It is so strange that all this evidence was mentioned in the beginning with the rearrests and then nothing.

Did it ever exist or was Mos bluffing about it?  Can he do that?


Later, taters!

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Thanks Anna and Tyler...way back then I only followed TV and have recently found a lot of old posts that are very interesting. I have been trying to work out what was spin and what was not. Almost impossible! Maybe some of the early Aruban posted rumors innocently, but there were some that did it not so innocently!

Just swiped this from BFN.  Wow, 22 sq miles!

 :shock:




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html

Sat. 22-Dec- 1110 hrs
The Persistence awakes after a few hour much-deserved nap. The crew diligently toss the lines and she's free of the dock. Leaving the port facility, the seas are calm and the trade winds are pleasant and tropical. The occasional cumulus cloud appear cartoon-like. One small cloud in the distance is dumping rain on a few unfortunate people. I can just imagine what they're thinking.. "why me". The rain has a tendency of seeking us all out. Today over the Persistence, the sun is shining bright.

"We've gridded a 22 sq. mile area with bathymetry and will cover it again with this sonar system and magnetometer... Yes. We will find her if she's out there." -John Silvetti (1102 hrs, 22-Dec).

The search area we already covered by bathymetry and began surveying with side scan and magnetometer is the size of Manhattan.

"I believe she's been out here for over the last two years but we didn't have the resources and technology to find her until now. We're blessed to have these resources. Now, hopefully we'll have a wonderful Christmas present for Dave and Beth". - Tim Miller (1108 hrs, 22-Dec). 

oh, this poor creature, why do you do this to him/her?
 :lol:

Blah,

She's been dressing herself for at least a year now!  Tying bows was the hardest part for her, however she has that down pretty well now.

you have been reported to PETA.  Good luck.















 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, PETA will have to get in line behind the FBI and Joe T and all those people to whom the crackpots at RU report me routinely.  I am sure they know how to deal with wackos as well.  Nice try, however.

Something else I stole copied from BFN if one likes misinformation.  This is the site that I believe John Pauley was at least in part responsible for creating.  I wonder why they took it down.  Anyway, worldjournier has it archived.

The Vanished  "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force"

Hi All.... Utilizing the  "Wayback Machine"  internet website of archived websites, here is the link to the previous public spewings of Aruba's powers-that-temporarily-are Amerirubans+Dutch+Arubans anxiouslyly emplaced,  "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force"  website a.k.a,  "Aruba 'Truth'".  That website was vanished in May 2006.

First go to this website....

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

....then, copy+paste, or, type in the following  ASCTF  Internet address....

http://www.arubatruth.com/

....in "The Wayback Machine" window.

Interesting to read what Arubans and Dutch in Aruba were spewing then, based on what has happened, since the  ASCTF  website was vanished.

Every one of the  ASCTF  musings is also documented in the timeline, http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
 
Posted by World Journier




Now I really do have to get busy!  Looks as though I will get a dozen loads of dirty laundry for Chirstmas, lol, no surprise there, however.  Kids!  I think they actually think I enjoy doing it.  :roll:  Maybe it's time to wash their underwear with the red scarf to turn it all pink or something so they won't ask again.

 This is probably a dumb question, par for the course for me, but does anyone know if the computer evidence and the wiretapping evidence was made available to John Q. Kelley? 

  There was a case in Fl. where a man shot himself and his wife on the beach..His wounds were not fatal, her's were.  They confiscated his computer and found searches re: how to shoot yourself, not fatally and a song that had lyrics that showed a sick mind.... talking about loving someone but having to kill her, anyway, if WE KNOW about PVS going on line, in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee went missing, searching for drug and alcohol affects,  those have got to be incriminating, and there has to be a substantial amount of info found......and Joran and his friends most likely discussing what happened but stopping and saying " can't discuss this on telephone", this also in the same time frame, and these are just the ones we know of....I'll bet their are a lot more... It seems to me there IS evidence to make a good case!!  IMO

O/T

Anyone in the Houston area - please be on the lookout for this missing person:

MATTHEW WILSON - 20YR Rice University Student - missing since 12/14/07
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2471.0

He and his 2004 Dodge Neon are missing

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If the Natalee Holloway case is officially closed and ... the family/FBI are given access to the case documents ... I believe that Eric Soemers' role in the investigation should be investigated.  It would appear that Dennis Jacobs may have been manipulating the declarations and ... then have Eric Soemers sign them off as a witness ... a witness who was never present during the interrogations.

Janet

++++++++++++++++


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/11/dennis-jacobs.html

Friday, November 9, 2007
Dennis Jacobs
Lead Investigator? Or Key Obstructionist?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005 pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005 pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15 pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005 pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005 pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005 page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005 pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

OT  I havent posted in a while, I have been really sick.  Hoping those monkeys who were sick are getting better. 

Jug, GREAT interview with Dana the other night.  I like it when people are on the up and up with us about the case.

Kyle, keep up the great writing!  I read there every day to see what you guys have found.  I still feel you will find more then what you are going for.  Hang tight my friend.

Well off to ready the house for 17 people on Christmas.  All you Monkeys have a good day, and Great Holidays if I don't see you online!

Kath

Hi Tamikosmom I have been looking to see who placed Jacobs into this investigation, as we were told that he was narcotics. He was on the case as early as 5/31 at 11.15. Do you recall hearing anything about this. TIA


Hi Hotshot! Happy Holidays to you too!

Saw this on Greta last night.  Very small, only about 5-7, 135 pounds with a big brain.  Had a GPA in High School of 4.8.  Full academic scholarship.  Maybe there is a pattern here of 'disappearing' bright students, making a brain drain for us.

I think everyone here needs to take a deep breath. Some have made comments on the front page and Im told in the forum recently and in the past that call for violence againt those suspects or persons of interest in this case, and some cases even the death of those involved.
I know emotions are high but I have the folowing satement to make

I do not and will never support threats of violence or any criminal action agaisnt any of the persons of interest in this case.
Crappy justice system or not that is no way to solve this case. And those that post messages even if they are joking in that manner should be ashamed.

MERRY CHRISTMAS HAPPY HOLIDAYS MERRY CHRISTMAS HAPPY HOLIDAYS

I am just about ready for Christmas - or at least as ready as I will ever be -- I did 3 trees this year, so I started early.  I was very smart about cooking but not to tell my children. I want them to think how I labored over all this.  I picked up a coconut cake, an Italian cream, a chocolate and a Lane cake at the curb market, an 8-pound beef Wellington at the Meat Market, a baked ham at Logans, shrimp at Costco, Swedish meatballs and a cheese tray at the deli, deviled eggs and chicken wings at Fresh Market, and I am making 3 casseroles, garlic smashed potatoes and will toss the greens I purchased at Farmer's Market but don't tell them.  I want them to think I worked very, very hard for all this.

Well then I should take responsibility for the things I have said.  I believe in an eye for an eye.  If something happened to one of the suspects I would be one happy person.  What Aruba/Holland/Sloots did to the Holloway family is unforgiving.  I have waited for justice in this case for the past 2 1/2 years and watched the Sloots laugh in the face of the law and the world.  So if this makes me a bad person then I can live with it.

Mum ... I do have something related to Dennis Jacob's assignment to the Natalee Holloway case.  Something that somebody in authority conveyed to Dave Holloway.

I will see what I can find in my disorganized desktop files.   :lol:

Janet

THE REASON FOR THE SEASON  

LUKE 2: 1-20

1 At that time the Roman emperor, Augustus, decreed that a census should be taken throughout the Roman Empire.

2 (This was the first census taken when Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

3 All returned to their own ancestral towns to register for this census.

4 And because Joseph was a descendant of King David, he had to go to Bethlehem in Judea, David’s ancient home. He traveled there from the village of Nazareth in Galilee.

5 He took with him Mary, his fiancée, who was now obviously pregnant.

6 And while they were there, the time came for her baby to be born.

7 She gave birth to her first child, a son. She wrapped him snugly in strips of cloth and laid him in a manger, because there was no lodging available for them.

8 That night there were shepherds staying in the fields nearby, guarding their flocks of sheep.

9 Suddenly, an angel of the Lord appeared among them, and the radiance of the Lord’s glory surrounded them. They were terrified,

10 but the angel reassured them. “Don’t be afraid!” he said. “I bring you good news that will bring great joy to all people.

11 The Savior—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David!

12 And you will recognize him by this sign: You will find a baby wrapped snugly in strips of cloth, lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast host of others—the armies of heaven—praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased.”

15 When the angels had returned to heaven, the shepherds said to each other, “Let’s go to Bethlehem! Let’s see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

16 They hurried to the village and found Mary and Joseph. And there was the baby, lying in the manger.

17 After seeing him, the shepherds told everyone what had happened and what the angel had said to them about this child.

18 All who heard the shepherds’ story were astonished,

19 but Mary kept all these things in her heart and thought about them often.

20 The shepherds went back to their flocks, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen. It was just as the angel had told them.
________

MERRY CHRISTMAS MONKEYS!

I'm coming to your house for dinner :lol:

Thank You....

You know I would love that.  Every time they call and ask what I am doing, I lie and say I am cooking or cleaning.  I put that Roomba thing away and will let them think I still do not have a housekeeper.  No use in them not getting a load of guilt with their gifts. :lol:

San ... I feel your frustration and ... if I fail to remain focused on my Absolute God ... my thoughts reflect your.

However ... unless it is an act of self-defence or the act of defending another ... I believe that criminal justice is the sole responsibility of government.  If government fails in the responsibility of administering justice and ... we were to take justice into our own hand ... we would in then be living in a society ruled by anachary ... not laws.  The democratic system is not perfect but ... the alternative is frightening to contemplate.

San ... our Heavenly Father loves Natalee Holloway and ... is the author of her life story.  The first chapter was written prior to Natalee's conception and ... the last chapter has yet to be revealed.  I wish I could peek at that last chapter ... it would take away much of the frustration and anger that I often feel at my lack of understanding of God's ways.  Waiting on the Heavenly Father to reveal His perfect plan/will is so difficult.  However ... this is when believers ... children of God must act out of love, trust and faith.

I apologize if this post crosses a line but ... my heart led me to share my thoughts.

Love, Janet

++++++

Romans 8:28
We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Hope you are all better kath... don't we have nice first names ? LOL
I have very little to do as the celebration is at the kiddos, not off hook for home cookin to order tho.

i have not read the front page or seen the comments
and i think Dana is a very nice person even though i do not know him other than from right here and from his shows and his comments BUT he is probably a better person than i am. im sure of it, because i feel totally the opposite way

i have the following statement to say:

persons of interests in this case are the PRIME SUSPECTS and they have been since DAY 1
and if a person did something like this to a member of my family i can guarantee you
i would be have an answers and yes i may very well be writing from prison

but thats just me

We are all angry. It is just words on paper. It is an expression our anger. We aren't going to act any of this out for crying out loud. If I did what goes thu my mind some times, gee I would have been sitting in old Sparky a few times, long time ago. We are all nice people here on SM and have too much empathy for other people who suffer. Most of us are parents and grandparents.
Let's ease up on each other here. I would like to be a better person and I have to work at it every day. I was brought up as a Christian with good Christian values and every day have to some soul searching. So, if San is angry, so what ? I hate it when I get so angry I could spit and me typing my expression of my feelings here is a release. There is evil in the world and plenty of it in Aruba. God does work in mysterious ways, and maybe just perhaps, he has a plan for this case.   

Janet, you never cross the line.

what keeps a fire burning in some of our bellies, is that this could have happened to anyone. Anyone that went to aruba regardless of what the crime was, where it was
when it was. It is the fact that the authorities ( if you can call them that) covered this thing up and have tried blaming it on everyone EXCEPT the people that are responsible.

i was driving to an activity today and here is what i was thinking

If Aruba were to investigate and go to trial and CONVICT the people that are the ones responsible ( ALL OF THEM ) and they expect tourism to go back to NORMAL
well guess what. it aint gonna happen
i would stick the knife right in aruba tourism 1000 times more than they stuck it in Beth and Dave and the rest of the family

again, thats just me.

what they have done is so inconceivable to me

1. kill, coverup, and blame the family

sorry. aruba - the whole bunch of gutless PIGS can fall off the face of the earth


am i angry? YEP

am i justified ?  YEP

i will make my peace with the man upstairs when my day comes

until then, im on my own
 :cool:

thats cause she is MUCH nicer than me

 :lol: :cool:

 :thumright:

INTERVIEWER "Robots, can you be nice ?"

ROBOTS  "NO"

INTERVIEWER "WHY?"

ROBOTS " IM ALWAYS NICE, until its time to NOT be nice"
 :cool:

Kat_Gram I highlighted your entire post because I agree with everything you said.

At lease I am not a person from another site who was following Beth around at her book signings and was stalking her and listening to her friends talk and making fun of it.  He is an attorney to boot.  I sit here behind my machine and he actually stalked.

When I say that God works in mysterious ways, it was something that was said to me by a Reverend that I saw as part of a healing therapy.
I can't get specific, but it had to do with a murder of someone who kinda deserved it. Someone who had harmed me. I had been consumed by anger for a year or two and would plot my revenge as the court case was blown.
I made a choice to not let that anger define me and rule all of my future actions. 
Then, someone else murdered the person, similar crime against someone else.
But, it did not help me.
Wow, someone gave me the blabber-juice for brekkie.
.
If something happened to J2K, Natalee is still gone and the harm to her family and loved ones is done.   

i hear ya loud and clear
 :wink:

but when people keep jamming the knife in Beth and Dave it is too much


stop hurting them is what normal people want, and yet the authorities in this case
never cease to amaze me with their BS antics, blame game, inept corruptness.

The J2K will reap what they sow. Taco has five kids. He will have some tribulations of his own at some point and then maybe he will have an epithany. Sooner or later. And I hope I am aound to see that day. I too admire Dave, Beth, Jug, etc and several other people, Mark Lunsford ( who I suspect had some very rough edges of his own ) and they are better people than me, who has to work at being an ok person every day of my life.
 

What is a Boycott?

Each time you purchase a product, you are endorsing the product and the corporation that produced it whether you meant to or not. Likewise, by choosing not to buy a certain product, you can protest irresponsible corporate behavior. By voting with our dollars in this way, consumers have the power to change the way corporations do business.

When many consumers agree to abstain from buying a certain product it is called a boycott. Boycotts are a way to use our power as consumers as a force for positive social change. Boycotts are effective because when successful they result in increased public scrutiny of a company. This in turn causes concern inside the corporation about loss profits from deceased consumer interest and corporations are always concerned about the financial bottom line.

Boycotts are a tool for holding corporations accountable for any policies that negatively affect people and the environment. When you join a boycott, be sure to let the company being boycotted know why you are choosing not to purchase its products. This ensures that the corporation hears what changes it needs to make to earn your business.

Boycotts are an effective way to put your money where your values are.

guess who got 10 SNAIL MAIL letters this week ?

 :cool:

how do you kill tourism in aruba ?

one ticket at a time  :cool:

i think i had some blabber juice this morning also

 :lol:

According to Jossy,Lorenzo is connected to the sloots and is very close to Joran. He has said that several times now.

Thank you San.

Hey ... faith and action go hand in hand.  Us Monkeys must not give up in exposing the corrupt Aruban investigation that has denied an American citizen the justice she rightly deserves under Dutch law.  Maybe a door has been slammed in the face of justice by the Aruban investigation but ... there are legal avenues of opportunies available if we look through some of those open window afforded by a democratic system.  I believe that our anger and frustrations should be focused on the media ... the American administrations ... peaceful protests ...

We cannot let Natalee Holloway become a distance memory ... we cannot let Aruba win!!

Janet

++++++++

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

The more people that know what a dangerous place Aruba is, the better.
I am not coming a this in a spiteful way either, but from the viewpoint of :
J2K were targeting young American girls, well it doesn't matter where they are from, does it ? And this activity was going on and no one was seeing anything.
In fact, they all seemed quite proud of themselves for it.
Then when " something bad happens ", it is everyone else's fault except for the offenders. And they come from far and wide to defend these animals. They start defense funds. They throw out a bunch of bloggy crap giving reasons why the guilty are innocent. They make slurs about the family of a much loved girl. They are  just as evil as the J2K.
ps, never cook while posting. make sure the stove is on LOW

BOYCOTT EVERYTHING ARUBAN.  TELL PEOPLE TO STOP GOING THERE.  AFTER ALL THEY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY FROM ALL THE DRUGS AND LAUNDERING THEY REALLY DON'T NEED OURS  :wink:

WHEN THE MONEY STOPS FLOWING TO ARUBA AND THE COMMON PEOPLE START SUFFERING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LOSE JOBS AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY THEN PEOPLE WILL WAKE UP.

PEOPLE LIKE THE SLOOTS AND RUDY CROES ARE POCKETING ALL THE MONEY AND THEY WILL NEVER SUFFER LIKE THE COMMON PEOPLE.

IT'S TIME FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE TO STEP UP AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT.

IF THEY DON'T WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PUT THE PRESSURE AND NOT HAVE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY GO THERE.

Yes but did you get Supersized ? With the blabber-juice ?
Do you think I would make a good juror  ?  I have been called for jury selection LOL. For the biggie ( murder, etc. ) trials in our Queen's Bench. I would love to do it, but I am way too human. That has been on my mind and it has set off something that I had put away for all times.
SIL had dreamt up a T-shirt for me to wear, with a noose and : Hang 'em High written on it.
I must respect the monkeys or I am at the who gives a crap stage in my life, thank you for allowing me to share a bit.

Translation by Getagrip:

Public Ministry gave erroneous information

According to attorney Wix, Deepak, Satish and Joran can no longer be investigated

Diario Aruba
12/22/2007

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Friday morning, at the offices of attorneys Ronny Wix, David Kock and Elgin Zeppenveld, a press conference was held in which the attorneys for Satish and Deepak Kalpoe reacted to what was brought forward during the last press conference by the Public Ministry related to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Atorney Wix brought up that there are various matters that were raised by the Public Ministry that are not totally correct. The lawyers continued saying that the Public Ministry, in an unusual manner, went into the details of the case on Thursday, when they mentioned among other things two facts that they considered to be new evidence in this case, which led them to the detention of the 3 suspects.

Wix said that according to the O.M., Deepak Kalpoe said that Natalee Holloway was dead, but at no time did Deepak say this. According to the lawyer, in the same period of time there was a conversation between Deepak and a friend of his in which they spoke of the Natalee case, but they also spoke about a tennis instructor that Deepak knows who died in Conchi.

In this conversation, Deepak spoke of the death of this person and not of Natalee. The conversation was in Papiamento and in the translation into Dutch, for “su morto” [his/her death], they put “haar dood” [her death], while clearly Deepak was speaking of the death of the male tennis instructor.

The Hof also realized that the O.M. took this out of context. Another of the two parts of the supposed new evidence was a conversation between Satish and a female friend of his from Suriname, where the O.M. said that the girl stated that during the conversation Satish sounded sad.

According to Wix, between the 5th of May and 6th of June 2005, which is two and a half years ago, there were 24 conversations between this girl and Satish, which were long.

This makes it difficult to remember which day this supposed conversation took place. This conversation could have also taken place before Natalee disappeared.

They interviewed the girl in June 2007 and this surely makes it difficult to remember exactly what day this conversation took place.

How could it be that if the O.M. says that the conversation was exactly on May 30? According to Wix, last month the prosecutor said that they had new evidence and that they would arrest and now he says that he doesn’t have enough evidence and that they will no longer consider them suspects.

This means that the O.M. lied a month ago or is lying now. The lawyer also said that it is not completely true what prosecutor Mos said Thursday, since at the same time that the case ends, the 3 former suspects remain suspects.

According to Wix, nothing is further from the truth. Now that the 3 boys are no longer suspects, the Public Ministry is no longer free to question the innocence of these persons.

This means that authorities cannot conduct an investigation on them. The lawyer also said that what he is unhappy with is that the chief prosecutor Mos and P.G. Jorg basically said that they will stop the case, among other things because the boys made use of their right to remain silent and that because of this the O.M. could not solve the case.

This implies that the kids know something and are not talking. This, according to Wix, is because his clients have given more than 20 statements; therefore the O.M. cannot say that they have not talked.

They have said everything that they had to say. During the last detention the former suspects told authorities that they have said everything they know and that if there was something new, they were willing to give a comment on this. Given that there wasn’t anything new, they didn’t say anything.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/12/public-ministry-gave-erroneous.html

I knew that Aruba would reconsider their position regarding the closing of the Natalee Holloway case.  It is my understanding ... as long as the case is open ... allowed to become a cold case ... the family/FBI are not legally entitled to the documents contained in the case file.

Janet

+++++++


DECEMBER 8, 2007

Aruba prosecutor mulls closing Holloway case
He vows to end case in month unless evidence is found to charge suspect
Associated Press
updated 11:23 a.m. PT, Sat., Dec. 8, 2007

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Aruba's chief prosecutor said he will close the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway by the end of the month unless his office finds that there is enough evidence to charge someone with a major crime.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22160620/


DECEMBER 22, 2007

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/21/holloway.case/index.html
December 22, 2007
Holloway case in 'new phase,' prosecutor says

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is not closed but has entered a new phase, as four detectives continue to look for evidence, Aruba's chief public prosecutor says.

Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn't have a case but because he couldn't be sure of a conviction.

The decision not to prosecute doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest," Mos told CNN.

He said his office remains determined to find the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

JORAN is GUILTY

SATISH IS GUILTY

DEEPAK IS GUILTY

PAULIS IS GUILTY

SUE me  :cool:

I see some Idiot is lying and mentioned my name as making threats of violence. You should get your facts straight before you bring my name into any discussion. I have never threatened anyone with any violence and you lost all credibility for making it up. You POS!! We are ashamed you call yourself Canadian!!

SOP

telling lies

everyone lies

why you lie to momma


 :cool:

Exactly Janet.  They cannot close this case due to the fact that the family will get to see the evidence.  I knew this is what they were plotting for a long time now.  I just didn't know the laws and how they would do it.

You know, I think it will only take 1 ship.

I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day in the morning.

And what was in those ships all three,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day?
And what was in those ships all three,
On Christmas day in the morning?

Our Savior Christ and His lady,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
Our Savior Christ and His lady,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Pray whither sailed those ships all three,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day?
Pray whither sailed those ships all three,
On Christmas day in the morning?

O they sailed into Bethlehem,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day,
O they sailed into Bethlehem,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the bells on Earth shall ring,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
And all the bells on Earth shall ring,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the angels in Heav’n shall sing,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
And all the angels in Heav’n shall sing,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the souls on Earth shall sing,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
And all the souls on Earth shall sing,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Then let us all rejoice amain,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
Then let us rejoice amain,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Digest of lyrics, as sung by Nat King Cole:

    I saw three ships come sailing in
    And what was in those ships all three?
    The Virgin Mary and Christ were there
    And all the Angels in Heav'n shall sing
    Then let us all rejoice again
    On Christmas Day in the morning

There are plenty of traditional versions of this that have been collected/recorded in the UK. Here is our version

    I saw the Persistence go sailing by,
    Sailing by, sailing by;
    I saw the Peristence ship go sailing by,
    On Chrissemas day in the morning.

    Monkey heroes were on the ship,
    On the ship, on the ship;
    Thinking soon Natalee will be on the ship,
    On Chrissemas day in the morning.

    Dave whistled and Beth singed,
    And all the bells in Heaven ringed;
    All the bells in Heaven ringed,
    On Chrissemas day in the morning

Mos already gave his word that JQK can look at the files because he is a representative of the Family. Unless he lied about that also  :roll:

I know this will not be a popular statement but I am just going to say that I am disappointed in our own government for not helping Beth more.

I am disappointed in the fact that they let Aruba make fools of our FBI with all these antics they are pulling.

The fact that we let that horse face Arlene Ellis Schipper in our country with that so called Aruban delegate is just appauling.  She came here all smug knowing that her cousin was involved in what happened to Natalee.  What we should have done was shock the sh!t our of them when they came here and we didn't.

Thank you *******.  Thank you Getagrip.

I am inclined to agree with Ronald Wix and John Q. Kelly ... there was no new evidence revealed by Hans Mos that was not available prior the release of Joran, Deepak and Satish on September 3, 2005.

1.  Karin Janssen "was centering" her case around text messages, cell phone, computer and email records pertaining to the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

2.  In a news release on June 10, 2005 ... a  spokesperson for the Justice Minister proclaimed that Natalee was confirmed dead and the location of her body was known and .... Gerold Dompig upheld the spokesperson of the Justice Minister in an official statement to the AP with the words that implied that one of the suspect admitted that "something bad" had happened.

3.  In Joran's June 14, 2005 declaration he states that he may have had contact with Flor in the early hours of May 30, 2005.  I would assume that communication records which Karin Janssen was "centering" her case around would have confirmed this Joran/Flor contact.

4.  Early in the investigation ... Beth Holloway and Jossy Mansur  revealed Joran, Deepak and Satish's preconceived pattern for picking up girls ... American tourists.

I have quotes which will back-up all of the above but ... unless requested ... I will refrain from posting. 

Did I hear a collective sigh of relief from the Monkeys?   :lol:

I am gone.  Have a good day Monkeys!

Janet

1:15 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++

Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says
December 20, 2007 -- Updated 2230 GMT (0630 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/

Rudy Croes is the minister of justice and will see to it that those files never leave Aruba, unfortunately.  I believe we have to have faith that this Christmas will bring a miracle for Natalee's family. 

Merry Christmas, Janet.  Thank you for the scripture.  I enjoyed it reading it here.  I love knowing that our monkeys will enjoy reading it and thinking about its meaning as well.  I pray for all those who have never read it and will for the first time be able to read the word.

He lied.

As usual you hit the nail right on the head Tyler.

I agree with all of you,especially about Rudy Croes! Also I am very dissapointed in our Govt who has remained silent when they could have stood up and defended themselves and this Family.

San, thanks for being here for us.  I hope I am on my way out the door to make my last purchase.  It seems I always forget something.   :2doh:  I have to get the postman and my hair dresser a gift certificate.   :-?  I did not get my hair done this week so I will have to take it by and the postman's last run is tomorrow and then I think I am through! :sad: Then I start washing that last load of clothes, polishing that last piece of silver, get table set and make napkin holders from mistletoe and red velvet ribbon.

It is hard to believe that our FBI didn't have a single agent that
spoke Dutch or Pap.  That has always bothered me.

It's one thing if they don't want to defend the family and want to keep quiet.  But when you have two losers like Julia Renfro and Gerald Dompig attacking our FBI that is another story.

Well at least you don't have your stove apart and the grates all over the counter (6 heavy grates) and trying to scrub them all :shock:  :lol:

******* ... when Hans Mos implied to John Q. Kelly that the family could have access to case files ... the plan was to close the case by December 31, 2007.  It appears that Aruba has re-considered and ... is not closing the case ... probably allowing it to become a closed case to avoice compliance.

I could be wrong.  Time will reveal whether the files are handed over to the family/FBI or ... Aruban has again manipulated Dutch law to Joran and Paulus' advantage.

Janet

+++++++++++++


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
Wednesday, December 19, 2007

KELLY: Well, at this point now, I have the right, as a representative of the victim's family, to go down there and view the entire file. And Hans Mos (ph) has assured me that I'll be able to do that at some point, if I choose to. And I'm sure we will choose to.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317479,00.html

Threats are made in frustation.
Anybody that would take idle threats made
in frustation on a blog is paranoid.

Now if wishing could make it so the
perps might need to start worrying.

EDIT

... probably allowing it to become a cold to avoice compliance.

Hi guys! Just checking in. I'm wrapping presents, and San's scrubbing a stove.........Did I see Klaas here? She's supposed to be somewhere!

Change of plans...long story  :wink:

I think Heli may have me confused with Observera and all the knicknames she uses when she attacks Natalee's Family. More than likely he/she just has his facts wrong and is lying.

I understand about the frustration but it's laughable when they choose to attack certain Scaredmonkey bloggers when RU has the most filthy,lying,slandering dirtbags on the internet.

OT/ Glad you are feeling better  :wink:

So true, *******.  I have never seen such lying filth in my life.

The only people that have connections to Colombia are the suspects,their lawyers and the dirty corrupt officials in the Aruban Govt. People like Paul Van Der Sloot,Rudy Croes and the Law Firm of Kock and Wix. Where is the proof Jug Twitty has connections to Colombia? Another flat out lie! It's commen knowledge and fact that Rudy Croes is directly linked with the Drug Cartels in Colombia and spends much of his time in that country.

David Kock & Wix is one of the most dynamic legal firms of Aruba, Dutch Caribbean. With offices in Aruba and Bogota, Colombia
http://www.dkwlegal.com/english/indexEN.html

PI TJ Ward confirms PVDS has connections with Colombia and they may have been involved in taking Natalee off the island.

http://tinyurl.com/33o437

I don't know what the laws in Aruba are ( I should call Arlene, got her number ? ) but at the beginning of this case, it was said that the family under Aruban law could look at the case files once two years had passed if there had been no charges.
Can't imagine this will happen without motions and more motions to the point of motion sickness and more gagging and gag orders.
From another standpoint, I can see that the suspects will not ever be questioned again. We ahve all been waiting for Aruban Justice to poo or get off the pot. I think they have gotten off  the pot, regardless of Mr. Mos's intentions good or bad.
Pray for the searchers. I am sure that during this feative season, they have places they would rather be and people they would rather be with.   

That's true that Arlene Clipshop did say that, but the truth is Arlene also said a lot of things that have not held true.  She said they only had 2 years in which to investigate, charge, etc., a murder/manslaughter/rape case.  Arlene was part of the disinformation squad.  She was beauty and the beast.  She was a beautiful woman with the heart of a beast.

I think that was also said by Beth's attorney, not Helen but a DeSousa woman.
Also what happens now to the Dr. Phil case and the discovery and the production of documents ?

This is a perfect description of her Tyler.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 19, 2007
VIII. Side Scan Sonar search
 
Update: Sat. 22-Dec - 2015 hrs
The seas calmed throughout the evening. The progress we're making is satisfying. Once again, we will work through the night. At night, the seas tend to be calmer and it's easier to focus on the work without being able to see the beach. The sunset was beautiful this evening. ROV pilot Brandon Hernandez hurried out to the back deck of the Persistence to take the photo for the blog. At the same instance he snapped the picture, a swell washed across the back deck, soaking him half way up his shins. Brandon, now the world will know you by this noble photographic cause.

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R22nBeDWjBI/AAAAAAAAAJU/47kJ2KaLx8s/s400/Persistence_fantail_sunset22_dec.JPG)

We came across another unknown wreck today, an approximately 50ft long catamaran.

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R22gheDWi_I/AAAAAAAAAJE/RML6qIMzvtQ/s400/Catamaran_wreck.jpg)

ABSOLUTELY, San.  I am disgusted with our government for allowing this to go on for so long.  They could be doing something.   

I want to say that I have so much admiration and respect for all you intelligent Monkeys!  You all have a very Merry Christmas, and I pray for a great New Year for each and every one of you.  As my anger and frustration cannot imagine Beth  & Dave's, my heart can't imagine how much more full their's are,  due to all the wonderful people working for and with them.  Could they have even felt love again after all this evil,  if it hadn't been for all this love they are sent?  God Bless. 

Merry Christmas to you too sirensong and a healthy and Happy New Year.

thank you, San :smt111

This should be posted again for those that missed it

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http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Excerpts from Kyle Kingman
(Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist)


"...The final and most elaborate search for Natalee Holloway has begun. This is likely the most complicated post-mortem search of its kind in history. This case has had many twists and turns during it's 2+ year history. This is one of the final chapters that will hopefully provide closure both to the Holloway family and to the watching world.


I've described this search to reporters and friends as a search for a needle in a field of hay stacks while hovering hundreds of feet above the field. However, we have the best needle-detecting equipment and detectors on the planet. The attitude on board the boat is unanimous and unwavering. We know that if God wants her body found, the chances of success are perfect.


It's clear to me that we are again being beckoned into regions of the unknown. We all have our hopes and expectations on what will happen and what we will find. All of us replay slightly differing scenarios through our minds as we lay awake tonight. There is one common thread however that permeates all of us. We know that God has us here for a purpose, and that purpose is being achieved and revealed to us one word of the manuscript at a time."


To put this all in perspective...

    * We will be searching waters as deep as 6 times the height of the Statue of Liberty, or almost as high as the Empire State Building.

    * The equipment is towed behind the boat near the seafloor almost 1-mile behind the boat, or over 16 football fields away.

    * There are swift currents, rough seafloor topography, and unknown terrain.

    * We are looking for a target the size of a shopping cart within the area of Manhattan.

The equipment consists of the following:

    * Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)

    * SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle

    * Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV

    * Navigation provided by WinFrog software

    * The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.

    * Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.



THANK YOU TO THOSE INVOLVED:

Louis Schaefer Jr. - Project Lead and Key Contributor

Tim Miller - Project Management -Founder of Texas Equusearch
http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor
Responsible for overall project planning and development.
Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC .
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager

Kent Bourg- Party Chief

Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician

San, goodness, are you through yet?  I hope so.  What an icky job at Christmas.  I would help you if I could.  It's not the worst job, just time consuming.  But, boy, does it make your house feel clean when you clean the stove.

God bless each and everyone of you and thank you for the beautiful photograph. 

Unknown wrecked 50-ft catamaran?  Don't tell me this is another strange occurrence in the Caribbean. 

Yes I did finish.  You are right it is not the worst job but it sure is time consuming.

The one thing I hate about solid-surface stoves when I cook, but is a plus in the long run, you have to clean them every time you use them or they look ugly, but it's really a breeze, just wipe with a little barkeeper's friend and buff with microfiber cloth.  I think the oven cleans itself.  I don't know.  I don't use it enough to really clean it. :roll:  I do scramble eggbeaters each morning, however. 

Hi Monkeys! I just wanted to wish each of you a very Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year! I pray for safety and blessings for the Persistence and crew also, and for Beth, Dave, and all of Natalee's families. Maybe these next weeks will bring what we have all been praying and hoping for, for so long.

Hi Gabby, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.

I also hope that the Persistence and crew does find Natalee's remains.  That would be the best Christmas gift for Beth, Dave and their entire family. 

Press Release   Source: The Boston Globe

Aruba Tourist Authority Signs on as Supporting Sponsor for 2008 Boston Globe Travel Show
 The 2008 event will be held at the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston on February 22-24, 2008.

In 2007, the show attracted more than 200 travel industry exhibitors and over 13,000 attendees. More than $2 million in travel was booked onsite at the show. The 2008 event is expected to draw even more exhibitors and attendees.

The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071221/20071221005528.html?.v=1

Oh, here's a clue :idea:  Anyone interested in a little demonstration?  do we need a permit?

I think this paragraph needs to be reworded:

Before:

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions."

After:

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization who makes their money from the biggest drug cartels in the Carribbean who is designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination so they can launder their money through the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions so they can kidnap/rape/murder the young tourists and bring them to the elders on the island that control Aruba's government and then make them disappear forever."

San: :lol:

I did not know that the ship was going around the entire Island.
Must have missed that one recently.
Is Robots still at the airport. ?
Oh yeah, I am just dying to go to Aruba. What kind of informed ppl would go there ? Even if was dirt cheap ? I looked at La Cabana because they had kids stuff, but then what ? Spend the entire time fretting ?
My kiddos went to Disney Epcot this month, booked another as soon as they got back. I am invited to go and will know if I can go in May.

We will be there just like last year,you can count on that. They have the same giant Area near the entrance.

You know they dress kids up in black face in Aruba when parents go to see the ?tourist? attractions.  Can you imagine how incensed most people would be to find their kid had been dressed in black face.  How racist is that!?!

Are all the Monkeys at the mall?   :2doh:

Not me, I've been boycotting malls for about 10 years  :lol:

They must be out shopping ... Robots is at the airport, Anna is helping her doggies pick out cute outfits, 2NJ is still cleaning the toilet, I am cooking for the festive day.

I did not know they were going around the entire island either.  I thought they were just searching that location 3 or so miles out that was thought to be where they would have taken Natalee within the alloted time frame.  I am even more amazed at their work now that I know that.  WOW!!

Rght now they are searching a 22 square mile area but they havent disclosed the location.

Would that be like 4.75 x 4.75 miles square?
Not up on my math like I used to be.

I guess there was no need letting the witches know everything ahead of time. :cool:

I use that neat Google Desktop that has RSS feed and it updates whenever anybody makes a post.

So am reading but doing laundry and trying to get house in better order.  Sent kids to the store over an hour ago and they have not returned yet.  This time of year seems there are always ten more things to do.

But I am reading and am hopeful the search will be successful as that would provide a small comfort for Natalee's family.

It was wonderful to hear from Jug again the other night on Dana.  Looking forward to hearing Jossy's take on all this. 

Anyone know what night Dana will be on this week?

.

Glenda/Renho says that she knows where they are
searching....but she won't tell.

She is an idiot.

You are right, Magnolia.  4.75 x 4.75 is just about 22.7.

Well, I had no idea the mafia would not find out, someway.

Thank you Tyler, that seems like a much smaller
area than 22 sq miles.

Yes Renho is an idiot.

With Glenda , it is conceivable that someone saw the ship out there, or she saw it on a surveillence fly over on her broom. Or a sailor told her.   

During pillow talk.

As he is trying to put the pillow over her face  :lol:

   :shock:  :lol: :lol:

Now now, let's not get too Katty ! ! LOL
Betcha all the sailors know who Glenda is.

 :lol:

Yes quite sure been more sailors in her then around her :roll:

This site is fun.....
Just double click just above Venezuela and keep double
clicking until you can see the streets in Aruba.
Then switch to satellite.
You can see the cruise ships in port and planes on
the runway.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5971/1222wixtz1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Lawyers Hose Figaroa, Ronald Wix and Elgin Zeppenfeldt submit to the media at a press conference that the evidence of justice, according to them until the last of no wrong side.

TranslatedAmigoe.com
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Great Map!  I can see the runway and the planes, and the cruise terminal, but there are no cruise ships in port!  :lol: :lol:

Wix is trying to make himself the Aruban Johnny Cochran.

 Not here for long.

 Glenda. Ren~Ho Skank Bitch/ Bondia..  sucks Donkey pee~pee   :cool: SO does her MAMA Sidalee   :roll: Like mother .. like daughter.
 OT  ........... Happy Holidays to you all....
 Gotta get to bed..  :(  Worl all damn day tomorrow. open to close.  :roll: :roll: Retail sucks..  :(

Merry Christmas, Angie.  It won't be too bad tomorrow, maybe.

 Night Magnolia


RENHO BITCH is an AMERICAN TRAITER.. She knows it and so does her MAMA,.. :o :o :o
 I am going to bed now for sure............. I have alot of my own crap to tend to  :(
NIght...

I have just sat here and moved around the entire island...up close too...and come to the conclusion that it really is a big hunk of rock with nothing worthwhile on it.  If they didn't make the tourist parts pretty, no one would even think of going there.

I work Monday 'til their pleasure. If the current boss that I have been calling Ebenezer recently was in charge, I would be there all night. I told them I had to leave to feed the reindeer, but they didn't even laugh. It has to come from somewhere really high or from someone really high to let us go early on Monday.
ps, I didn't ask far enuf in advance for the day .. note to self for next year, ask real early, like in July. This is my own fault, sort of.   
Yes, retail must suck, alot of jobs do.

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Jonathan45

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 160

 Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject:   

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Did he on purpose forgot his sneakers ?
And which shoes was he wearing after a possible 'lost' evidence construction ?
On monday, May 30 late afternoon [page 96/97] Joran went to the Raquetclub. In his apartment he clothes, gets his racket en his sportsbag, when his dad is ready to drive him there.
Was he wearing his 'slippers' during that trip ? If not, the 'slippers' must have been in the sportsbag, because within an hour Joran walked in 15 minutes on his 'slippers' from the club through the 'Salinja' to the Wyndham casino to join a pokergame.
Why did he mention these natural details ?

Fact is Joran didn't play tennis and that in the bathroom he was wearing tennisshoes, which he replaced by slippers to walk on to the casino.
So it is possible that he was waering these tennis shoes when he got the ride to the club.
Paulus was questioned about the sportsbag. [statement June 23 2005]
So did he carried a sportsbag or not ?
On Wednesday, June 1 2005 Joran is back at the Raquetclub. And again he didn't play tennis, but went for a swim with friends, among them Flor.

Fact is that the sportsbag and the shoes are pieces of the same puzzle.
They appeared and disappeared.
Pure evolution.

Is Joran's shoe story a crucial nebulous lie ?



to be continued
 

It is not what a person would think, no agriculture unlesss it's the Lorenzo kind, no lush vegetation. The beaches in the tourist areas are man made. White sand was imported from elsewhere. It has some historical interest, has rock formations, a butterfly farm, turtles, a bird sanctuary or two, but I think it will all get crapped up more than it is with the kind of development they have .. casinos, the red light district.. more stinky oil refineries smack dab in the middle where people live. There really are no natural resources there unless you count cactus for Aloe.

Sigh... :roll:

Enough of the smokescreens and the bullsh*t.... :2doh:

Aruba, and all your so-called attorneys... we know what you are -- the whole world knows what you are...

now you make a spectacle of yourselves...

The world knows the truth... and yet you perpetuate..the lies...slime...rat...jerk... I am so mad...island mentality...don't get me started about that...

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/vacation.jpg)

I'm just overwhelmed with awe at the searchers on that ship! Wow, what a statement!

If God intends her body to be found, then the chances are perfect!

HI GUYS! I just got back from watching a movie: "Charlie Wilson". TERRIFIC movie!!!! Funny as heck!

I'd bet that Renho really does know where they're searching, because I think she's pretty tight with those on the island that are doing all they can to keep an eye on that ship and where they are searching. I hope they are sweating profusely.

If Renho knows, she's in the water.  :wink:

I think he was wearing the shoes during the interview with Greta.  Angie,  my, my......I like your attitude! :smt078
Or better yet, Magnolia, put a bag over her head- plastic :smt075

 :2doh:  I get so excited playing with the smileys, I thought the blue face one was breathing fire, not vomiting.  That one needs to go next to Renho's name :smt078

Oh Goody! I get to say again that I had an epiphany about the shoes, and Siren, I agree with you. Joran didn't loose his shoes!  :smt045

He told the story so he could say he sent the Kalpoe's back to look for them and place them on the beach in case Natalee was found dead.  :smt045

lets see if my translating is accurate tonight

1. they stalked Natalee at the casino and drugged her at the bar

2. raped by at least  k2 and joran   ( 20 times before with others ) out in the middle of nowhere - driving around

3. she never recovered from the drugs

3. brought to the sloot house via the back area ( thats why the dutch were measuring
and thats where she banged her head as they were taking her over the wall )

4. beach story was ALWAYS a load of crap

5. paulus was involved at somepoint ( 4:00 pick up at mcdonalds was NEVER a pick up of  joran - it was a way to make it look like joran was not at home and paulus needed to go get him but it backfired because they couldnt keep all their lies together. when paulus and joran went out around 3:45 it was to take Natalee away from the sloot house of hell to a temporary secure location.



PRINT THIS. this is what happened


BASTARDS - put that in your crack pipe MOS

 :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x

3. brought to the sloot house via the back area ( thats why the dutch were measuring
and thats where she banged her head as they were taking her over the wall )

they lie about everything and there is always about 15 percent truth in their lies

they were measuring the area  to GET natalee in the sloot house

it was the ONLY place that was secure at that time of night

they needed something quick and dirty

the SLOOT house was safe and secure

its the only thing that works

 ROBOTS = SMART Think you have it Mr. R. Sir
KAT GRAM = SMART-ASS

most people think that paulus was out trying to move a body OUT of the house at 4 AM


nawwwwwwwwwwwww... he was trying to her TO his house


then the NEXT day is when he could move the body safely

<--------all that time at the airport let me do some serious thinking

paulus knew that joran was last with her with the k2 brothers

2 brothers against 1 joran - tough for joran to weasel out of that one.

k2 are bad - joran and paulus are worse

take your pick

1. moved Natalee at 4 ish away from sloot house

OR

brought Natalee to  sloot house

What if they moved her from the Sloot house to the freezer at
Mama Kalpoes resturant until the next day and they could move
her out to sea?  I think that is why Mama Kalpoe got fired.
I think K2 had keys to the resturant.

you and I are on the same trail, i think the k2 momma was not in the picture...
i mean she could be, but im thinking someone more seedier

 :cool:

I don't think Mama Kalpoe knew what they were doing.
Deepak and Satish knew the resturant.  Mama had worked
there a long time.  IT was easy acess from the resturant
to the public boat laundh the next day.

hmmmmm.... im thinking about this one

i still dont think k2 know what happened

but i do think 1 of them witnessed natalee being in state of being drugged and falling in and out of it.   

neither one of them picked up slooooooooooooot killer

but i see what youre saying, they had access to a key..........hmmmmmmmmmm

Wow, they are packed  :wink:

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

One of the things that bothers me about this case is the vicious rumor that she was "depapitated from the eyebrows up" -- if this is true... and who knows what the truth is these days... then it might indicate that she was shot... a gunshot would could take off half the skull if aimed at the head...

not a pretty picture... but then again none of these rumors are..."purple girl"..bloody purple blond girl in the bathtub...naked blond girl at the dump...incinerator...sharks...hitler's sister, 'human trafficking...etc. etc. etc...

disgusting..and "island mentality'

sick

sick

sick

the perfect christmas vacation stop... NOT!

Hate site is claiming all hotel rooms are 100% booked.

Those German tourists must not like the sun.  You'd think they would chose a different destination if they are not going to the beach.  Maybe they are all still drugged somewhere from the island predators the night before.

.

Yep and they are all sunning on the beach, right?

Fact is if the rooms are all booked up then folks are afraid to go out on the beach...fear that they might end up nose to nose with Nat, right?

Who needs real tourists when you can just show them on paper and launder all the money for their bills for Latin American drug cartels?  Must be some more of those ghost tourists I keep babbling about.  The ones Aruba keeps adding rooms to accommodate, etc. that we can't see.

LOL, CBB, and you don't even have to eat a bug!  Yes, Joran may have put shoes on the beach the next day when he claimed to have walked the route, Size 14's he found or stole at the Racquet Club.  He wore the 10.5 ones, likely the ones he had on for the Greta interview he just had to model close up for the camrea while smirking from ear to ear.  Joran may or may not have even put shoes there but it not only set up the Kalpoes, it was proof he was at the beach in the first place.

Duel purpose at least in his warped thinking.  Then if only he could have had the shoes found on the Kalpies wouldn't that have been just dandy?  Would have placed them on the beach after he left and proved he was there in the first place.

Lots of laundry and cooking done tonight so am heading for the Monkey Bunkey.

Not sure what phase the search is in right now but remain prayerful and hopeful each day that when I log on, there is going to be wonderful news from that.

Nite, all.

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Just got online... wow what great theories.

Remind us not to put that restaurant on the AAA list of find dining.

Can that wall area along the van der Sloots be seen from any neighbors, (not counting the  :roll: monkey)

Sorry if this has already been covered. Am reading backwards.

Wasn't it rumored long ago that they had keys to the freezer in one of the hotels?

Don't forget, Joran's hobby was criminal law. Maybe he thought he could do the perfect one.

VIII. Side Scan Sonar search

Update: Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

That sounds like an enhanced version.   I thought the keys were to the freezer at Manchebo steakhouse where lyin' mama worked.......until she was caught stealing.

Both Nadira and the stepfather were interviewed on 6/2 by Sir Frosted Flakes. Nothing shows up on Anita being questioned until 12/05/2006 and Paulus is not questioned until 6/14. The suspects were so closely tied together early on, IMO there is absolutely no way that this info was not given to the Kalpoe lawyers as not pertaining to their clients.

Either they were not questioned OR this information has purposely been with held. Well maybe the lawyers for Dr Phil aren't interested in what Joran's parents had to say early on. :wink:

Morning Peaches...not sure about that...seems I have forgotten more about this case than I know!

:smt114

Yikes,my comments just went poof but my smiley santa appeared.
So again,Good morning Monkeys
I am thankful for the Persistence and all they are doing,especially during this holiday season.They restore my faith,I pray for them all a safe journey.They make me feel that evil NEVER wins out over goodness.
Wishing you all a very merry Christmas.

Good Morning All! I second your post Karma.

Does anyone remember where the story of Natalee talking to a 'Hawaiian' looking guy came from? Was it from one of her friends interviews or PVs? Also the older man she was supposed to have been seen talking to? TIA

So now let's think about this.  Where could they have taken Natalee.  I sometimes think and I know this is a little far fetched but I think they could have moved her to someone elses home where they knew no one would never check.

Who fits that bill:

Lorenzo
Van der Straaten
Ben Vocking
Julian Renfro

or someone who lives really close like Freddy.

Would they have been inclilned to look in anyone's home?

Would they have been inclined to look at all?

Would they be inclined to see anything they found?

I'm going to disagree with you here robots.  k2 knew what happened that's why they ran home to clean their car.  There were 3 people seen cleaning their car.  Then we have Satish emailing a former GF 5 hours later saying he didn't want to get her involved.  Involved in what.  Why would he say that.  He knew she was either on the verge of dying and was waiting for the final word or she was dead already.  Paulus Van der Sloot is more guilty than Joran because they were at his home.

Deepak Kalpoe said "You own father" did he mean that Paulus raped Natalee or did he mean that Paulus was a murderer.

IIRC the FBI 302s from MB.  I don't remember her "talking" to an older man, just that an older man was at the blackjack table.

Dog house next to goon boy's crib.... hiding in plain sight. 

I hate 'em all.  I really do.  It's the Christmas season and all but sometimes I just can't keep a good thought for those responsible.

I need a MOD in Musings if ya don't mind. TY.

No

No

No

They would never look in any of those peoples homes.

Humor me Anna.  Which home would you move Natalee.  Let's just say they moved her because they needed time for their final plan.  They wouldn't move her to a place out in the open where people can see.  For all I know they could have placed her body in Koen's boat until it was time to take the boat out.  All they would have to do is put the tarp over the boat.  Who came first on the scene.

OK I'm going to Musings Peaches.  What do you need done.

San

Author: Suds (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date:   06-21-05 15:29

To Whom It May Concern;

I posted these two tips on a news station but will pass them on again to be certain they get to the proper authorities...
1. While visiting Aruba Feb 05 we went to Arashi beach one day. We met a young man I believe to be Jordan Van Der Sloot who was walking a large dog on the beach. My two kids were very excited to see the dog and enjoyed giving him a few pats as they love dogs. In the ensuing conversation this individual commented that he was house sitting and therefore caring for the owners dog as well. I wondered last night, if in fact the police and others investigating Natalees disapearance were aware that this person may have had access to an unoccupied residence in that area, where a crime could have taken place.    :2doh:

old link doesn't work  http://tinyurl.com/2ogbcd

But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)...Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do.
That is how much i know of this 'rumor'.
This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can't even think straight ,so they confess to this.
I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It's utter and completely wrong.
May god rest Natalee's soul..
58. Posted by AuA82 | June 13, 2005 4:44 PM

http://tinyurl.com/2mn82l

Thanks Buckeye.  Since we all know Joran loves dogs so much  :roll:.  I wonder whose house it was.

Thanks Buckeye......nothing on the Hawaiian looking guy though?

I have read this post before.  Joran is a lazy bastard and he wants the convenience of his home.  I just feel they were never here at Arashi beach when Natalee was alive.  I don't feel that a sociopath felt bad and he came back to check on his victim.

Sander's 6/17 PV...calls Freddy on 5/31 about his lost/stolen phone. Lost/stolen on 5/30.

A system of safety and justice is only as good as the peoples' perception of the system.  Police, prosecutors and government interplay to achieve a just system. You can not have a just system (one where people feel protected and safe) if there is corruption in any of the parts.

I don't find it odd at all that some witnesses are appearing years later.  They may have perceived an unjust system at the time of crime. Fear of retaliation or deportation can keep many quiet.

......or they perceive the system as just and that "the American" got what she deserved.

I do think that there should be some directive or assistance if an American is found in such a predicament.  We are targeted because of our nationality.  What is the best thing to do if the perception, in a foreign country, is that you're dispensable?

I don't think he went back but I still think if any beach or fisherman's hut was involved, it was Arashi (where Deepak had to pee again). I don't know if they stopped because Natalee was sick or if Sander had his boat anchored (by Malmok) or if Flo (who he text and called) was in the neighborhood or a friend house sitting...Arashi has interested me along with the rocks...I just don't know why or when.

Mum

Think the Hawaiian comment is also a 302.

Mum

Lee Broughton 302 06/01/05

While sitting in the casino a friend of Juron LNU arrived.  Broughton does not know the friend's name but does remember him to be fat and chinese or Hawaiian looking.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/FBI_forms/broughton.htm

Thanks Buckeye...Will look for it...to me Jaime looks like he could fit that bill.

Thanks...I don't think Jaime looks fat. Will have to look elsewhere!

Mum

Whatley 302  07/12/05

A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and Yuron VanderSloot.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/FBI_forms/whatley.htm


Interesting that the FBI put quotes around older man, didn't see that with other descriptions.....hmmmmmm

Check out Andre Santos   :wink:

I didn't see that either Buckeye.  Just confirms even more that it was Paulus.

Andre Dos Santos?

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Ah...Buckeye and Peaches...Dos Santos... the casino alibi for 5/30, who along with his Dad gave a ride home to Elvis Kelly, whose brother was later murdered in a casino in Holland! Think i have that right!

Andre and Arthur interviewed 6/20 by Sir Frosted Flakes. Will have to check on Andre's other company those nights and see if there any statements. IMO Joran and Deepak were not at any casino on 5/30, which would make Andre's PV a load of garbage. Did just read that he lived close by.

Have always wondered why certain PVs were 'put' out there.

O/T

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is warning consumers about a potential Clostridium botulinum  (C. botulinum) contamination of canned cut green beans manufactured by New Era Canning Company, New Era, Mich., and labeled as "GFS Fancy Blue Lake Cut Green Beans." C. botulinum is the bacterium that causes botulism.

The bacterium produces a toxin that can result in a life-threatening illness or death. To date, no illnesses have been reported in connection with this incident. 

The canned cut green beans were distributed to retailers, restaurants and foodservice institutions by Gordon Food Service, Grand Rapids, Mich., with lot code 19H7FL and UPC code 93901 11873, in large institutional-sized, 6 pound 5 ounce (#10) cans.  The green beans were distributed to food service customers in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia and sold through GFS Marketplace stores in Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee. There is no evidence of primary distribution outside the United States.

http://www.fda.gov:80/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01764.html

American investment made it and American tourism (lack of) can take it away.  Uncle Sugar and his tax base can be hell to deal with.

Lala’s…I thought that you might find Joran’s opinions interesting in regards to your list post.


page 3 Chapter 1 Joran’s book

1. Aruba lives by the manana manana principle, if you cannot get something done today, there is always tomorrow

2. at first they mingled with the dutch, Joran later with the Arubans

3. Joran speaks good papiamento, his parents not good

4. there is always somewhat tension between the Arubans and the dutch because of colonial times

5. speak dutch only and you will not fit in, learn papiamentu and they will be more accepted but not always seen as an equal

6. some Arubans still smart over the colonial times and will pretend not to understand people speaking dutch

7. Arubans don't like that dutch people hold high positions on the island


Page 4: Chapter 2


Joran was called names by local arubans at first for not knowing Papi/being dutch.

- due to lot's of soccer with local boys he learned papiaments




Page 6: Chapter 2
- talks about what he had wanted to become and about having 1 hour of school a week about future schooling (wanted to be a pilot, soldier or possibly cop when he was young)

PS. You really need to go over and read the chapter on the girlfriends! An interesting ‘new name’ and jealous exboyfriends.
Important Case Documents – Chapter 1 Joran’s book translation – Island Boy

FYI: Once when Dana had Jossy on his program, I called in.  I think  it was that night, anyway, I asked something about others involved or significant people that have not been looked at yet, and Jossy used the words...Dos Santos...he never said much more, I don't think.  There has always been a question if he meant someone with the name DOS SANTOS or if he was speaking of said persons....the SANTOS.  There are photos of the younger Santos holding a bottle of absinthe (sp?) and Tylergal made the comment concerning the "poison wine of Bacchus".

Suppose "the girl" was at the Sloot house and had not died when K2 left, the reason Satish supposedly questions Deepak as to how she is doing.  Why did K2 and Joran mention a gun in the back of the police van?  If the girl turned purple, then she must have been dying, maybe in the bathtub where she was so bloody and the purple discoloration of her legs as the blood started coagulating, but hell, she was still breathing and Paulus had gotten a call that the Americans were on their way from Birmingham, so he needs a gun.  He asks Joran about a gun.  Joran tells him K2 have a gun.  Why would he not call of them because Paulus had already done them a favor about that "choller" and so they lent Paulus the gun to "shoot the purple girl in the bathtub," which the gun took her head off.  Then K2 remarked the police had searched their house for a gun and found none.  Of course, the girl fell and decapitated her head from the eyebrows up and if they find her, they are going to find all that "shit," which might include gun, bloody shoes of several sizes, and DNA from Paulus.

There were rumors or whatever back in the beginning about Joran maybe having access to a condo on aruba,near the pond they were trying to drain.I think Art Wood mentioned that if I recall correctly.

I agree,no way they would just leave her there with all that evidence on her.

From Sunfreak's Aruban Who's Who....only the zebo link works, interesting samed birthdate, but says he was born in Aruba and not Brazil. Looks like Satish is his only friend! Definately on the chunky side and Hawaiian looking. I do remember all the discussion about Santos and Dos Santos.

SANTOS, Andre Montival AOKI  Dos(DOB – 10-15-86 at Sao Paolo, Brazil)   – Was gambling with Joran on evening of  5-30-05 at the Wyndham & the Radisson. Has a younger brother Arthur. Lives in Palm Beach and attends Mont Plaisier College.  He drives a black singlecab pick-up truck.  Also known as “Dre.”   Knew Joran for 6 years, Satish for 2 years and Deepak for one year.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=eyWr9owE5Dg58OoG
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=bngDSqBp3tu6q8fX
http://www.zebo.com/231947
STATEMENT to Police 6-20-05: http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=310&sid=489217fe24e75dae971260871df6c04d

Thanks Mum.  Will do that today. 

You're Welcome....going to retract what I said about Jaime not looking chunky. He's definately more on the heavier side in the pics over in the Important Case Documents. Does anyone have any more pics of him? TIA

there was never a "beach" situation that night

thats pure BS

 
there may have been a driving around in the car for a short period of time situation
Natalee was raped by the KILLER


JORAN is the killer, he is the one

Joran is the perpetrator?  What about Paulus?  Did he set the girl up for himself and Joran brought her to him?  Did something bad happen when they were all raping and drugging her?  Did Paulus have to pull the trigger on getting rid of her?

one of the latest pictures of ANITA with the BULLHOG is revealing


i think anita ATE the sneakers

i think i can see them



 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


joran - NEVER at the beach is a lying slug

paulus knows he was never at the beach

paulus is in the casino video- you can the sweat dripping of his glassses
 ( i think )


i feel like a bad robots  :cool:

FBI:  "Do you think the 'older man was Paulus van der Sloot?"
Lee B:  "Yes, I think in retrospect after seeing his pictures, the older man could be PVDS."
FBI:  "Are you 100 percent positive it was PVDS?"
Lee B:  "Well, I am not 100 percent positive, but about 99 percent positive."
FBI:  "If you are not 100 percent positive, then this is off the record and cannot become a part of your testimony."
Lee B:  "Well, I feel that it was, but if you say so . . . . can we leave that 'older man' open to speculation and verification?"
FBI:  "We will mark it in Italics or quotes so we can go back later if you should be asked to identify him."

The dialog quoted above is JMHO, but I think we have a clue here.

paulus is just as bad - he is like the getaway driver in an armed robbery where someone is shot


it is clear as day that paulus was instrumental in making Natalee DISAPPEAR

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That old sneaky yenta has eaten a lot, as is obvious from the blubber.

All I'm saying is there is probably a footnote in some records whereas Broughton believes this 'older man' to be PVDS.

the odds that an "older man" who looks exactly like paulus with same hair line, watch, glasses, shirt, stature, playing poker at a casino at same table as joran and Natalee
on the same night at the same time and IT IS NOT paulus are  calculated in the range
of 1 in 6.4 million.


oh......... take it to the bank, cash it in.   IT IS PAULUS 

dont let anyone ever tell you it is not the ACCOMPLICE of a murder -rape

SATISH:  "How's the girl?"
DEEPAK: "Not good.  She bled all over the Sloots bathtub and is beginning to turn purple."
PAULUS:  "Joran, I received a phone call from that guy who prolcaimed himself to be a DEA agent to the Alabama people, that he has confirmed an airplane is in the air and they are coming for this girl in our house."
JORAN:  "Well, you are the one who wanted her so you figure out what to do with her."
PAULUS:  "You little creep, it's all your fault, you and your PIMP games.  You are the one who set her up."
JORAN: "Well, it's your judgeship on the line.  What are you going to do.  Please, Dad ,where is my mother, I need my momma.  She will know what to do."
PAULUS:  "I have called her and she thinks we should dispose of her."
JORAN:  "But she is still breathing."
PAULUS:  "Then we must stop her from breathing.

JMHO AND SPECULATION AS TO HOW ALL THIS IS POSSIBLE.

that about covers it

if you look close you can see some shoe laces

 :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG! You're killing me, Robots!!! :smt046

I can even read the size tag!   :shock: Says 10.5 just as Dutch interrogator said.


Jerry Strawberry/Cheremy Croes is fat and also looks Hawiian.  I used to think it was him and that was why Steve Croes got involved, trying to protect his creep cousin.

.

Thanks Anna...been full circle on this today, ended back where I started off! It's amazing how often that happen. Still thinking Jaime, but will check out Strawberry.
Got to go see which Browns team shows up today! Have a great one everyone!

Thanks, CBB, for turning on the electricity on my tree, lol.

Got it, you can delete now.

Love it!

Mum,

I have a few photos of Jaimie but do not know which ones you have seen.  He looks pretty chunky in all of them.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/34662217_361aaea0c7.jpg)

Andre on the left?


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/NHJul2006JaimieKoen.jpg)

Jaimie not as chunky as Koen.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/24yd3mh.jpg)

Rogues Gallery

Yes that's Andre on the left.I think it was Koen who ate Joran's missing Shoe  :wink:

Yes Anna...I agree, he is on the chunky side. I was looking for and found the verification from Natalee friend's 302 about the Hawaiian looking guy.(Thanks again Buckeye) From Joran's book, he, Jaime and Freddy hung out on the beach to scope out the tourists. It could have been Jaime. Also found it that same book translation that he did the same hotel course as Freddy.

Mum,

The most recent photos I saw of Jaime he was bussing tables in one of the Hotel restaurants.  Guess he believed in really starting at the bottom with his hotel course.  Klaas posted it but don't know if she kept it or not.

Two of the Kalpoe defense attorneys look like they are in junior high, very young in appearance.

I would like to know exactly what was said by whichever one of those Kalpoes said it about what they did to American tourist girls, every word related to that.

Doubt we ever do, however.  But Mos has admitted to having it which is huge, IMO.  I don't think this is what happened in the instance of Natalee but may have been what they had in mind. 

Mos confirmed what CCroes had hinted about in a post of his on Aruban BB in April of 2005 that I don't think I have any more, something about what was going on in regard to tourists, etc.  So I think a lot of people knew what the local game was. 

Add to that the game of drugging tourists and keeping them in the choller house until their credit cards were emptied at ATM machines and I have to wonder why we do not have travel warnings about these things.  Why was the State Dept not informed long ago and one issued?  Because somebody sure fell down on the job in that regard, IMO, as we still don't have one to this day.
Same things going on in Mexico where we have plenty of warnings but why none for Aruba? 

Where were our reps in all this other than attending Get Out of Jail Free parties for Joran?


Off to work and lurk. . .have a nice afternoon, Monkeys.

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I agree Tyler.

Yep I agree.

Koen is a fat double chin slob.

Koen wasn't that fat when all this started, was he?  Stress eater perhaps??

Yes he was, he is fat in pictures.

Koen was always hefty.  But after this started and everyone found out he was involved he got fatter.  So I would agree stress has helped him gain the weight.

He joins Anita and Paulus in it. Joran doesn't seem any worse for the wear though, does he? You have to have a conscience to be effected by guilt.

For goodness sakes!! It's Boeti the beach bum...I asked Greta and she confirmed.  :roll:

Just a quick OT.  MERRY CHRISTMAS to all a Scared Monkeys.  It is a pleasure to be a part of this sight.  You are a great bunch of Monkeys.  I am off to finish last minute shopping and to start cooking.  I hope this season brings answers to Natalee's family and they can bring her home where she belongs.  My prayers go out to the Persistence and a special THANKS for all they are doing.  It has to be sad for them not to be with their family and friends but they are doing what they set out to do and I admire each and every one of them.  BLUE MOON OF KY. :smt114 :smt114 :smt114

Update: 24-Dec- 1452 hrs (think Kyle meant 23-Dec)
Agitated by stiff trade winds, white caps blur the boundary between sea and sky today. Below the daily skirmish over wind and water's supremacy of the horizon, the search quietly continues in the crushing Aruban depths. Yesterday, we devoted some time testing the magnetometer and side scan sonar sensors over local construction materials likely used in constructing a wire trap. This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed. In light of the test, we have renewed focus and zeal on our goal, to find Natalee Holloway.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/joran_1976231c.jpg)


Not fatter but definitely even more creepy looking, IMO.

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Exactly CBB.  He has not been effected on bit because he doesn't care.  In his mind he is the victim.

He is pushing his hair forward more because he is going bald.

Put your finger over half of his face.  Look at the left & right separately.
His right side face is really crazy scary.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/JoranCloseUp.jpg)


Remember the woman on Dana who did the Right face/Left Face readings?  This one should be interesting for that.

i think van stratten was on the right track when he tried to talk him into the mental institution.
dennisintn

I really would like to know more about the sea search.

It seems to me if a body was placed in crab cage, there would be little left after 2.5 years. If the cage was dropped in warm water at moderate depths the marine life would enter the cage (end of story). At great depths, and cold water, there could be remains, however, after two years the cage could be buried in sand, or moved by currents into a rock shelf. This is truely a "needle in a haystack problem", unless they know exactly where to look.

If they have a tip, I would say success is possible.

As an afterthought, why even bother with a cage? Its 2000 miles of open ocean, and the currents go all the way to Panama. Nothing would survive that journey.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3260/5/#jc_allComments

Something going on here...I can't make any sense out of it, but in the comment section someone replys "Natalee Holloway 2" ....
Some woman loking for her daughter?? I can't figure it out.

Hoben turista perdi riba Aruba       
Sunday, 23 December 2007 

Diadomingo marduga un mama a bati alarma na autoridad pa bisa cu su yui ta perdi. Aparentemente e yui lo a bay sali y no a regresa cas. Ta trata di un yui muher y e famia tabata kedando segun informacion na Holiday Inn. E mama huntu cu polis a bay na diferente clubnan nocturno pa por rondi e hoben. Informacion cu nan a logra obtene tabata bisa cu e hoben lo a subi un auto cu dos cabayero na altura di Karma Lounge.
Te awe merdia ora nos a combersa cu vocero di polis e no por a duna nos ningun informacion si e hoben a wordo haya of no.
Riba e imagen por mira e mama huntu cu polis saliendo for di Havana Beach Club.

Pictures on site too.

From BFN:

Report: Former suspect in Holloway disappearance regrets no trial
The Associated Press
Published: December 23, 2007

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands: Joran van der Sloot, the former suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway, told a Dutch newspaper he regrets that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime.

"I would have liked to have seen a trial, so that everything could be out in the open," Van der Sloot told DAG in his first public remarks since being released Dec. 7. He had been re-arrested in November for a new interrogation about Holloway's disappearance in 2005.

The newspaper published short excerpts from the interview Sunday ahead of Monday's edition. Spokesman Bob Witman of DAG said the interview was conducted via e-mail with Van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.

Public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot or two other former suspected accomplices of a crime in her disappearance.

Prosecutors said as things stand the case can be reactivated if "serious" new evidence emerges — but that would impossible if they were to prosecute and fail, due to rules against double jeopardy.

Under Aruban law, the statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 for homicide.

Holloway was on a high school graduation trip to the island when she vanished May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to Mountain Brook, Alabama. Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of her.

The three former suspects, who are the last people known to have seen her, initially said they dropped Holloway off at her hotel.

After hotel security cameras disproved that, they were arrested and Van der Sloot said he left her alone on a beach and had no idea how she disappeared.

All three deny any involvement in her disappearance.

Van der Sloot denied there was any new evidence to prompt his arrest again last month, as prosecutors had asserted.

"There was no new evidence at all," Van der Sloot told the paper. "Dutch detectives tried to get me to talk for 15 days. They told me that Natalee was dead."

Prosecutors say their new evidence was a statement by one of the suspects during a tapped Internet chat in which he said Holloway was dead.

But defense lawyers denied that.

Van der Sloot said he believed his latest arrest was intended to please American media.

"I've been declared guilty without any factual evidence and I'm left to prove my innocence," he told the paper.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/23/europe/EU-GEN-Netherlands-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

young tourist perdi on aruba come across

diadomingo marduga one mother owing to beat alarma at autoridad for tell cu his yui is perdi. apparently the yui will owing to bay leave y not owing to return cas. is deal of one yui muher y the family was kedando according informacion at holiday inn. the mother together cu police owing to bay at various clubnan nocturno for can rondi the young. informacion cu they owing to succeed obtene was tell cu the young will owing to lever one car cu two cabayero at height of karma lounge. till today afternoon hour we owing to combersa cu vocero of police the not can owing to give we none informacion if the young owing to wordo achieve or not. on the imagen can see the mother together cu police saliendo for of havana beach club. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2007/december/dec23/muchaperdi/100_5550.JPG)

Looks like a young tourist girl is missing.  I don't know if it's by choice or not.  Also, it appears she left with two guys from the Karma Lounge.  They are still looking for her.

The Better go check Jorans for that girl before it is to late

Hogwash!!  Did he want a trial so he could invent more lies?

ONLY TWO MORE SLEEPS!!!   :wink:

Have a good Sunday Monkeys.

Janet

He is so FOS.  He says this now because he knows he is in the clear.

Trying to draw sympathy from people by saying how bad he was treated and they were interrogating him for 15 days.

Now does anyone really believe he was behind the computer doing this interview or was it more like Paulus and Anita.

Give them 10 days Sue...they'll take care of it  :wink:
Thanks Klaas...I knew it was something like that.

How disturbing is this.  I hope they find this kid.  If the people she left with are Dutch this mother don't stand a chance.

joran is thanking the DEVIL that this didnt go to court

he would look even more EVIL

Word from
LegallyLex @ BFN
     Re: Search Group Back to Aruba to Search for Natalee
« Reply #552 on: December 22, 2007, 09:04:24 PM »   

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Good evening everyone! I had the opportunity to speak with John today.  The equipment is working great.  They are collecting data.  I have to ask for patience here as I know everyone wants to hear news.  I will tell you again that this is a slow and tedious process because there is so much that are extracting and looking at.  Also, this encompasses many miles and it's slow going.  I am sure Kyle can and will update you on his blog! So keep reading! Anyway, I just wanted to stop in and let you know.

Please continue with the beautiful prayers and blessings! I know they are helping. Have a nice night all.
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OOPS, that was yesterdays news, lol. Sorry.

Rammstein @ BFN
    Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 (2)
« Reply #414 on: Today at 02:34:50 PM »   

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we just had a TV show with the 25 famous/shocking disappearances on one of our commercial TV channels, Natalee's disappearance was the second most shocking/famous disappearance.

They could never let this jackass go to court he would sink everyone.

Then we have to other two A holes Satish and Deepak.  Can you just picture all three in court.

a real lawyer would chew them all 3 up so fast..

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

San, that is GOLD  :cool:

she knows what happened unless she is complete moron - which is possible i suppose :cool:

Robots she knew what happened from day one.  She is evil and cold hearted like her husband.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/AnitaBlouseScary.gif)

:lol:  :lol:

Joran looks like Anita before she bleached her hair.

http://www.kparuba.com/YR2006.html
click on >> Print Jaarverslag 2006 
and it will open pdf file

Interesting PDF file w/ some pictures around the scuzzy little island

Posted on the front page of SM just now.  This person is posting either from Aruba or that region:

Capslockwizard wrote:

This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.
The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”

Tools I have used are:

1. Goolge Earth with Aruba MAP and area location to pin possible scenarios.
2. Time Line Event of the case.
3. My logic and Strategic thinking on solving problems.
4. Ttime line from the website http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
I believe there is a fundamental flaw the way the authorities see the case.
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places or they must know but would not come forward.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
TEST LOGIG SENARIO 1:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two ways.

1. In the grounds. But this procedure has stop due to not enough cemetery.

2. In a Kelder. A Kelder is a place above ground with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar inside a Cemetery. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.

Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.

There are several (7) CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot. From those seven, three is close from my analysis and from those 3, the one in Noord is to visible and no high walls. The one in Ponton/ Oranjestad is in public site from the front but from the back it has possibilities. The one in Paradera has most likely and it has a wall but anybody with a pickup or can climb easy over the wall second it is no visible from public site.

The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.

To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.

But

If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.

This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.

a. Move dead body to a cemetery,

b. Cemetery door closed, then jump the fence with the body.

c. Inside the cemetery look for an open Kelder or break one open.

d. Put body in it

e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.

f. Make cement in a bucket

g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.

h. Paint the wall

And you are done.

The flaws with this logic are that it do not account for a missing shoe.
And so this cannot be complete true and do not compute. But possible

TEST LOGIG SENARIO 2:

1. Normaly if one want to have sex in Aruba that comes from the clubs go to a place call WHITEHOUSE and not the LIGHTHOUSE and they sound almost identical (Here I think ether the Investigator hear it wrong and JoraN and K2 continue with the kakamenia storie about the LightHouse or it was plan-out between them.) The Whitehouse is an apartment Complex where one drive in with the car into an Apartment with automatic garage doors attached. One in the garage you are also in the apartment. These apartments are for some to go and have sex in and one pay 50.00 for a couple of hours use. If foul play was committed in one of these rooms or if she was overdosed in one of these rooms, nobody will see or hear. Add checkout time you just hop in your car in the garage and drive out to the gate and no one will notice anything as she could be asleep in the back seat. Now you have a dead body that you have to get rid of in your car… you could not bring a dead body to a hotel… you have to get rid of it…and here is my view of what next move will be.

2. The next move is to look for a place to dump the body and here is where the missing shoes come to play and also the story that they were driving around statement comes to play a role). It is dark, almost 3:00 am and in Aruba there are several murky water reservoirs that can be used to dump the body (see Google Earth – Aruba) in it and she would be gone. But the question is which one? Well looking at the map you can see that from the Whitehouse Building there several c that can be used and there is one behind the Whitehouse building. Once first instinct is to dump the body there since it is closely when you exit the Whitehouse building. Now here is where it gets interesting depending how many people you have to help you carry the body to the murky pool. And not knowing that the closer you get to one of these murky pools, your feet will sink into this thick mud and when you try to pull your feet out, it will not come out because the mud has a suction that seals around the plastic of the sneakers and the only way out is to pull your feet out of the sneakers and leave the sneakers behind.
Also when you are in a hurry to get rid of the body you will not think to go get your sneakers and it is dark in that area. And I believe that that’s why Joram was without a sneaker. Now there is still a question not answer, Was Joran alone or did he got help? Knowing what we know from all that has been written about the case and blog out there. We know that the Kalpoes came to help. I do believe that Joran is stronger and weight more and that he Dump the body in one of these reservoirs and that’s why he lost his shoes. Now Joran is bear feet walking? From where was he coming from?. One thing is sure he was going to papa and mama. But what happened to the helpers? Why they did not drive Joran home. Or was it that Joran acted alone and called the Kalpoes after all what has happened to him.

3. Other scenarios about putting the body in a crypt I do believe that this was done after they arrested the 2 black men that was blamed for the crime that they did not commit.

4. Here is where the Father with help of …????…..(to be filled in ) went back and make sure that the body will disappears forever. How? Depends on the two scenarios. A) if the body is in the murky water and in the mud they would try to get it back and buried it in a cemetery among the death and that will be a difficult task to open all the graves in Aruba. B) to make sure the body is deep in the murky water with the shoes of Joran so that it will not be found.
The Fathers logic thinking would be like this. Now nobody will find her because we hide it so well, nobody is going to look in a cemetery or in the Murky Waters of Aruba and if you are going to search where to begin and with time the longer the body stays in the mud, the deeper it will sink and these are fresh water reservoirs and not salt water and the body will not come up never. As for the cemetery theory, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. and another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
My Review:
With Google Earth I was able to pinpoint the possible location where one can lose a shoe in the mud and also how far it is from the Whitehouse Location and keeping an eye on the time to do the job.
The story about dumping the body on the beach cannot be done because you have already a dead body on your hand and you can do that. The chance to be seen with a dead body to high and risky.
Finding someone to dump it in the ocean means more people involved and the chance to be snitch on will increase and the chance to be seen by the coast guard is high. Also body will float back if not tied down in on the bottom floor of the sea.. This requires a more depth knowledge of buoyancy and understanding of the ocean currents of Aruba and knowing that when the wind turn even sunken boats come back to shore. No this does not compute either.

Conclusion:
the only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools in Aruba and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also.

The reason they got away is that there is not a body to link the crime to.
The Father of Joran stated clearly that if there is NOT A BODY there will be NO CASE.

So to make the above statement true, the perps must have make sure that the body cannot be found, but they forgot one thing, a Body will be decompose slowly in mud and it will be found with time. Ask Aruba to search the edged of all these murky water reservoirs and where you find the sneakers you will find the body

Its is like the OJ case “The Glove does not Fit then you must quit the case” but in this case we have a missing link that is the shoes of Joran V/D Sloot.

Please review and Let me know what you bloggers think of this

Best Regards
Casplockwizard@hotmail.com

In the article about the young girl missing, there are posts underneath the article.  One I tried to translate:

Not ta and case ltd danja nomber I gave Aruba, but esunan cu ta bay press mericano and repeats cu pa $20,- cualkier bartender by puts drug they give beverage I gave splits.  Nan ta esunan cu ta danja nomber I gave Aruba. 
 
Sure wish I knew how to speak that language.

Joran is so evil.   Why doesn't he just keep his big mouth shut now.  Because he is a psycopath and just has to brag about how he hasn't been caught.

Interesting ideas  from Capwizard.

Red is going to try to get ahold of Getagrip or someone to translate that 24ora article.  From the comments it looks like it's an American girl.

Did the missing girl dissapear Friday or Saturday night? This is not good :(:( Americans are making a huuge mistake if they let their teens party in Aruba

Karma Lounge Dec 21st (Las Vegas Night)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1709/karmainlasvegas109xq6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://tinyurl.com/38qj7u

Good,I hope he looks exactly like Paulus before he reaches the age of 30. :lol:

I agree,he looked pretty zoned out in the airport pics....I think he is on meds.Hopefully his parents keep him doped up and in the house while he is visiting aruba.

Posted by Lazlo at RU:


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3260/5/

Wow!
If she left by choice why are they looking for her?I wonder if she is American,I wonder if joran was anywhere near her,I wonder if aruba would stage a missing/found person act?I wonder why it looks like the aruban police have bullet proof vests on.

What was the first?

No matter how much time goes by everyone knows the case was solved well over two years ago. They drugged,raped and murdered Natalee Holloway.

COPS SAY ARUBA SUSPECT IS PSYCHO
July 1st 2005


The prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has been playing a cat-and-mouse game with his interrogators to the point where they have labeled him a psychopath, The National Enquirer has learned exclusively.

Cops who have interviewed Joran van der Sloot — the last person to see 18-year-old honor student Natalee — say he has enjoyed teasing them.Our investigation in Aruba reveals that after more than two weeks behind bars, the 6ft 5in schoolboy tennis star steadfastly refused to cooperate.

"Police regard him as a very cold and calculating young man," revealed a source close to the case.

And 17-year-old Joran's arrogance could only have been boosted by the sudden release on June 26 of his lawyer father, who was held for 48 hours as a suspect in what prosecutors have chillingly labeled Natalee's "premeditated murder."
Prosecutors had hoped that the arrest of his father, Paul van der Sloot, a former acting head of the government legal department, would shake girl-chasing Joran into a confession. "Police believed the father organized the alibi for Joran and the other suspects — telling them to say they dropped off Natalee safely at her hotel," said the close source.

"Their story appeared so well-rehearsed — with everyone giving the same version of events — that police concluded they were coached by someone with expert legal knowledge." But the tactic of jailing Joran's father didn't work. "Joran was playing with investigators even when his father was detained," revealed the close source. "He remained just as arrogant."


They said she behaved strangely. As we reported exclusively last week, Aruban police believe that somebody slipped Natalee the drug Ecstasy while inside Carlos 'n' Charlie's. They suspect she died of an overdose on a dark beach and was dumped at sea by one of the boys.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63311
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June 24th 2005

MISSING NATALEE WAS DRUGGED AND LEFT FOR DEAD


Missing teen Natalee Holloway overdosed after being slipped Ecstasy at an Aruba night-spot, died on a dark beach and was dumped at sea by one of the panicked boys she had befriended.

The National Enquirer can reveal that is the chilling theory secretly being pursued by police on the Dutch Caribbean island.

Our own investigation shows that Natalee's classmates from Mountain Brook, Alabama, who were with her during her final hours, support cops' fears that the normally responsible honor student was drugged.

A source close to the case said: "The detectives are certain that Natalee is dead. And if she was dropped by boat far enough from shore where the currents are right, it's unlikely her body would ever be found."

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and three other men have been treated as suspects and are being questioned in the grim Aruba prison in San Nicolas. They have not been charged.

Our investigation in Aruba has uncovered a disturbing portrait of the apparent main suspect — 6 ft 5 in van der Sloot, the son of a wealthy Dutch lawyer. Friends claim that hard drinking, violence-prone Joran:

º PREYS on naïve young American girls for sex
º LIKES to fight and was forced to get anger management counseling
º POSTED pictures of himself on a personal website acting out sadomasochistic games
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63309

This thought crossed my mind also but I didn't want to say it about it being staged.  This is what happens when you don't trust people and you have to think this way.

Even if she left by choice where the hell is she.  These people on this island are disgusting.  They are a bunch of drug dealers and rapists. :-x .

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

From what I understand she went out Saturday night and still not turned up this afternoon, her mother alarmed authorities.
Shall I translate all including the comments? (some of it is not nice).

I am non trusting of anything to do with aruba.I have learned to not have faith in anything,anyone from aruba might say.They DO seem to like to play games.I don't think aruba will ever live this down,no matter what happens.They are truly doomed and the few good people of aruba should just leave and try to live a normal life elsewhere.

Posted by the RAT at RU.  I guess he doesn't consider 24ora a legitimate news source  :roll:

charlierat wrote:
So far, there has been no confirmation of this story from any (ahem) legitimate news sources. If the story is for real, we will know soon enough.

If the story is for real, I hope the woman is okay

Translation of the full 24ora article by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:11 pm   

Hoben turista perdi riba Aruba
Sunday, 23 December 2007

Diadomingo marduga un mama a bati alarma na autoridad pa bisa cu su yui ta perdi. Aparentemente e yui lo a bay sali y no a regresa cas. Ta trata di un yui muher y e famia tabata kedando segun informacion na Holiday Inn. E mama huntu cu polis a bay na diferente clubnan nocturno pa por rondi e hoben. Informacion cu nan a logra obtene tabata bisa cu e hoben lo a subi un auto cu dos cabayero na altura di Karma Lounge.
Te awe merdia ora nos a combersa cu vocero di polis e no por a duna nos ningun informacion si e hoben a wordo haya of no.
Riba e imagen por mira e mama huntu cu polis saliendo for di Havana Beach Club.

Young tourist missing in Aruba
Sunday, 23 December 2007

Sunday morning a mother alarmed authorities to tell them her daughter is missing.
Apparently the girl went out (as in to bar/discotheque) and never returned.
The girl and her family was staying acc. to information at the Holiday Inn.
The mother together with the police went looking at various night clubs for the young woman.
Information they were able to obtain was that the young girl was last seen leaving in a car with two man near Karma lounge.
Till this afternoon spokerperson of police cannot say if they succeeded ... the girl or not.
On the picture the mother together with the police can be seen leaving the Havana beach Club.   

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3260/5/

Awemainta Newspaper December 24th 2007

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Awemainta 12/24/07

*Aruba*Great place to visit for the whole family,especially the kids  :wink:

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7348/gunsvm8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Posted by Lazlo at RU regarding the nationality of the missing tourist:

The article does not say, the comments made refer to an American, how the police gets in action straight away when an American is missing, but when an Aruban or a habitant of Aruba is missing nothing is done etc.
(amongst other things)

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:36 pm   

Girl is an American student, name Joyce 23 years old. 

Is it a crime when an American disappears?  Is it a crime when an Aruban disappears?

Maybe this is the first nail?  Maybe people will forget Natalee Holloway some day, but how will they forget he next girl disappearing?  Maybe locals will step forward with their stories?

This is the most likely scenerio:

A source close to the case said: "The detectives are certain that Natalee is dead. And if she was dropped by boat far enough from shore where the currents are right, it's unlikely her body would ever be found."

Why preserve the evidence in a crab cage, not to mention the additional time and effort?

Nice group of young men they have in Aruba. I'M sure they love they love the young american females that come to party. Well at least on their last night.

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Posted by Lazlo at RU - partial translation of the Awemainta article:

Awemainta:

It seems the spirit of Natalee Holloway is "following" us.
Sunday morning the mother of an American student went to the Police station Noord to report her daughter missing.
Joyce Buckeley went on a bus trip (Banana Bus) and when the trip had ended the young woman 23 years old did not arrive back at her hotel.

In the morning hours a big alarm was given to the police authorities, one of the head officers of police, Dolfi Richardson, has asked for a formal.. contrary to the case of Natalee Holloway, and also when another person had disappeared, normally the police waits 48 hours before the big alarm, before a person is officially missing.

(very long article, it will take me some time to translate)

i dont know what that stupid sign means with the hands but i told my kids IF i ever see them doing it.... its all over

 :cool:

Was the intention to preserve evidnece in a crab trap/cage?  Or, to prevent evidence from washing ashore?

I believe clothing is still missing, a drivers license, money, size 10.5/14 male athletic shoes, and flip flops. 

sypid ????????????

i mean STUPID  :P

i wish i knew what gives them the hope she was put in the water

Is it the spirit of Natalee Holloway following Aruba?

Or, is it the pattern left behind by the case of Natalee Holloway?

No body/No case/No charges/No crime...ever

Thank you greeneyedlady.

To some extend my heart goes out to Joran Van der Sloot.  I believe that this young man is a product of his upbringing.  His parents had a God-given responsibility to teach him that there are legal and moral boundaries that have been established for his well being and the well being of others.  His parents also did not teach him that there are consquences that have to be faced for making personal choices to disregard those established boundaries.

Unless there is "genuine" repentence ... these untaught and unlearned lessons of life will have far reaching consequences ... consequences that reach beyond the Natalee Holloway case ... consequences which imply that "other Natalees" are at risk ... consequences which dictate that Joran will be eventually held accountable ... held accountable when he stands alone before the judge of all judges ... to receive an ultimate ruling.  There will be no high paid attorneys ... no Daddy with connections ... no Mommy as a character witness ...

That being said ... I do  believe that an even higher judgement awaits Paulus and Anita Van der sloot.  John Kelly words rang true when he implied ... it was a parent's enabling that put all the event into motion in regards to the the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.