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That calendar Natalee had with all the things she had to look forward to sure sounded like she was about to run away, didn't it? Hell, if Natalee WAS looking forward to leaving home (and she wasn't in any way other than normal anticipation and excitement of college life), she was about to do just that! She had college with great friends just ahead of her!

23 million saw Beth on Oprah today where they heard even if did not see Joran's stunt.  Having these two crackpots in Aurba spouting nothing is going to do very little to effect that at all.  How many even heard them?  How many would believe?

These are just annoying flies to be swatted aside by Beth in searching for justice and closure in the disappearance of her child.

She will prevail no matter what they do and we all know why that is true.

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Still in the previous thread, lol  :lol:

Maybe Renfro is on "the tape".

Wreck,
Harry should have gotten a patent on his Prom Dress Pregnancy Test.  He could have sold it in Aruba anyway.  They will believe anything there as long as it is sleaze about an American.  That's why we should stay away from these kinds of people.

Odd Julia is not jumping on this bandwagon, however.  Could be she knowns she is hung out to dry on so many of those wild claims like the Hootie poster with HER cell number right on it.

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Every time something about this case comes up none other than renho's name is brought up. She seems to be in the damn middle of everything to do with Natalee & Aruba. MOO

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=4
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The first flyers posted around the island carried two numbers people could call with tips: Renfro's and Munzenhofer's cell phones.

Birmingham Meeting
October 28, 2006

Questions and Answers:

20. The "Call me Hootie" poster... what is the explanation of that?

BETH: This poster is the first that was distributed in Aruba. The Kidnapped posters that were made up to be put up were not allowed to be used. The Call me Hootie poster idea came from Julia Renfro.
Credit: Debbie (BFN)

But Beth saying she didn't care who Natalee was with, just give her child back is the same as "Juggs" said several times in MSM.  In their frustration, they were willing for forego justice just to get her back.  There is nothing to that and it is no secret and everybody in America heard him saying it two years ago.  This is hardly anything new or noteworthy.

What are they talking about?  I don't get it.  What am I missing?

And this totally contradicts their little theory Beth was just out to get Joran the Poo Wine Flinger.

Most everyone is still there reading and digesting the BS in the last thread..Must be slow going while holding a barf bag  :wink:

She is on that poster for sure.  Anita is going to be really mad at her when she finds out that was not Beth at all but Julia and everybody knows it.

How much more foolish can these Sloots look?  No wonder they have a child like Joran.  Integrity is certainly not in their gene pool anywhere.

I'm gifted too!!! I can "divine" NIMRODNESS with about 5 words of a single post!  :-|

Quote from: AZLady on Today at 10:07:00 PM
Anita and Paulus might very well be afraid of Joran.  Would you want to live in the same household with him?  I would not sleep at night.

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Quote from: Anna on Today at 10:11:41 PM
I have thought this several times lately after watching his glaring at his mother when he was not glaring at deVries.  No wonder they put him in the shed out back.  Maybe the reason the judge didn't order search of the main house is because they lock Joran out at night in order to be able to close their eyes.

For sure I would not want to live in the same house with him either but then neither did the rest of the Sloots.
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From BH:
I also noticed his anger at his mother.  Maybe his hesitation was in deciding who to throw wine at, deVries or his Mommy.  She contradicted him and doubted him on the air right in front of him.  How dare she question the authority Joran has to change history at any given moment?

One other thing that bothered me was the way Joran continually shrugged his left shoulder as if to say, Who gives a ****?

Not me. I quit. I know sh*t when I see it, and enough to scrape it off my shoe when the stench won't go away.

How to find Aruba:
Go south until you smell it then east until you step in it.

CBB they should change the name of the rock to ONE SMELLY ISLAND!!!
It has to stink to high heaven with all the BS they throw at the walls, trees, blogs & airwaves just to see what sticks.

I'm glad we're taking a look at this stupid letter again.  It reminds me that Paulus and Drew Peterson have a lot in common.  They both receive letters sent to them from the missing person or those who have seen and talked to the missing person.

Aren't they both so special.   :roll:



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Quote from: yapperz1 on Today at 08:47:11 PM
Hiya Monkeys

I find it strange this Kelly Castillo & Daniel Young profess to be friends of the slootytoots.

Remember the letter Paulus claimed he got from Natalee? It was mailed from Arkansas, well Kelly Castillo is from Arkansas. Things that make you go hhmmmm

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/04/harrytho_410_na.php
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On the Aruba front itself, we have a revelation from MF over at the Freedom Blog that a Kelly Castillo of Arkansas and a friend visited Police Chief Dompig and declared that Natalee was alive on the island of Aruba a few days after Beth and her posse landed. Natalee refused to go back to Alabama, because of the abuse that she suffered there. Although this declaration reads a little suspicious, it does conform to revelations in Natalee's alleged pregnancy letter that coincidentally was postmarked form Arkansas. Interestingly, Kelly Castillo's declaration resembles the suspicions of Aruban Detective Nicholaas' hunches, aired in the first few days of the investigation.


Yapper ... that was a great catch!!!

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=212.msg33814;topicseen#msg33814

August 1, 2005

To whom it may concern,

The problems for the people of Aruba has gone on long enough.

Natalee is alive, well and safe from Jug. We are staying with my family where Mrs. Holloway cannot find her and she is protected from Jug's sexual advances.

First Natalee and I would like to apologize to the people of Aruba for the troubles that they have endured, we did not believe that Mrs. Holloway and her husband would carry things this far just to get attention for themselves.

We sent a letter to Mrs. Holloway before leaving to explain what we were doing and why.

We believe that she must have received the letter shortly before Natalee was reported as missing since she made such a quick trip to Aruba and started looking for some one to blame right away, to take the responsibility away from Jug.

We are certain that you will understand why Natalee had to do this when Mrs. Holloway and Jug finally admit to truth and allow it to come out to the public.

We are requesting that the reward for Natalee's safe return be given to the people of Aruba when Natalee comes back. But several things will need to take place and change before that happens.

We had this planned for several weeks, but did not believe it would work this well.

It most likely would not have if the boys had not mistakenly claimed that they had picked Natalee up in the morning of her disappearance and Mrs. Holloway had not jumped on too that and held on like a bulldog, sending the police and other search teams off in the wrong direction.

Natalee got into a car with me and the two persons that aided us in getting off Aruba after leaving Carlos and Charlie's. We apparently succeeded in not being seen together before we left, although we were seeing each other almost every day to complete our plans and make final preparations.

Natalee did not want to spoil the trip for the rest of her classmates by leaving any sooner although we were ready earlier.

You can try to locate us if you want. But we are sending these letters through five different friends in different areas in sealed, preaddressed and prepaid packages with instructions for each to send the next package of envelopes to the next person, so only the first person will know where the original was mailed from and no one will know if he/she was the first. The final person will then send the individual letters to Aruba, Holland and the United States.

Since three persons have suffered the most at the hands of Mrs. Holloway and her husband we want to reward the information of Natalee's location to go to these persons.

Joran and the two other boys made a mistake by saying that Natalee was the person that they were with. At the time that they were describing as being with Natalee we were completely off Aruba and on our way home, although their mistaken identity and Mrs. Holoway and her husband's persecution of innocent boys definitely helped as we were held up for eighteen days trying to get out of the country we went to, we were afraid that we would be found at any time.

Except for Mrs. Holloway's persistence to cover the fact that Natalee had left on her own that led the police in the wrong direction the police would have been able to find when, where and how we left Aruba and we would have most likely been located before we got back into the United States, and then to our present location.

We were very glad to see that two of the boys were released and hope that the third boy will be released soon.

If any of the reports of statements alleged to have been made by Joran are true Aruba has a problem with Joran but it does not involve Natalee.

If you will pay attention to Natalee's friends and classmates you might get the message that Joran and the two other boys are not involved in Natalee's disappearance. In every interview that they have taken part in they have all said that they have not seen Natalee and Joran together, only that Natalee left in a car with three persons.

Please advise if these conditions are acceptable to Mrs. Holloway and her husband.

When Natalee is ready to let you know where she is we will send another letter, although is will most likely be after she delivers what she believes to be Jug's baby by rape.

The baby is due in mid December. Natalee is doing well and has a good doctor.

To assure authenticity you will find Natalee's finger prints and a sample of her DNA on some if not all of the twenty letters we sent. We know for certain that the letters to the police labs in the United States and Holland contain these items.

David & Natalee

Ok, let's think about this.

MF = very happy about this "new" information and happy about Rudy Croes wanting to investigate it

Glenda/Siddalee = not happy and claim the two psychics are BS

Renfro must be affraid something in the Kelly and Castello BS will come back and bite her in the ass.

MF is happy because he/she is an ass

I wish that the entire world would just take away all the words surrounding this whole case. Joran, Deepak, Satish, Beth, Dave, and Jug have just magically rendered totally Mute.

THEN look at the actions. Look at the behavior. Look at the accomplishments, and the failures. Look at the past and the promises of the future. Compare dog killing, exile from homeland, psychiatric intervention, where time is spent, relationships within the families, presence at gambling establishments, hours kept "sneaking out", scholorships, grade averages, time given to charities and church, temper tantrums, respect for authority, tears, reaction to bad news, energy spent, determination, miles walked, sacrifices made, and all the rest. The entire story is there.

WHAT YOU DO SPEAKS SO LOUDLY I CANNOT HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!

Klaas is right.  There's a big reason that Julia Renfro is throwing the tow "psychics" under the bus.  Most likely has to do with the "Hootie" poster she made.  But I think there's more.....right out of the gate, Julia was working to divert the family and is so vested in the whole mess that I think her complicity runs deep.  MOO

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

New tips on Natalee Holloway case continue to come in
Bon Dia Aruba
4/10/2006

ORANJESTAD— Tips continue to come in to the Public Prosecution and the Police Force. It’s Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that despite the search team from Holland leaving Aruba, there is other information coming in that could help police solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Public Prosecution, specifically chief prosecutor Janssen, and investigators in these past few days, including yesterday, met with two people, Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young, who said they have key information of what could have happened to Natalee, and they are willing to help authorities in giving them the necessary clues.

These people were already in contact with Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who asked them to come to Aruba. However, when these persons found certain information, they realized that the case was not as Beth Twitty has told the world, but that it was something much simpler, where it cannot be said that the youngster was murdered. Castillo and Young went as far as saying that Beth Twitty knew that Natalee was alive a couple of days when the mother herself was in Aruba. This explains the first poster where she asked her daughter to get in touch with her. Further still, Beth had in her possession the telephone that Natalee used to tell her she would not return to the U.S., something that the mother did not give to police immediately.

After Castillo and Young came to Aruba, they were able to find more information, and revealed to Beth what they know. Beth didn’t like what the duo said and even said that she was not interested to know who Natalee was with last. She only wanted revenge and that her focus remained on the three youngsters who were with her after Carlos & Charlie’s.

Authorities have all the recordings and notes that Castillo and Young made during their conversations with Twitty and they are willing to publish these soon. Further still, according to these two people from the U.S., for them it is confirmed that Natalee didn’t want to return home for abuse reasons and that it’s not the first time that the youngster went as far as doing something like this.

Bon Dia Aruba understands that the meetings with authorities took their time and now they are looking at what will come out of the new information which was presented to the chief prosecutor and the investigative team.

In the meantime, the program ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ is scheduled for tomorrow night, Tuesday and this also should produce new facts to help finally solve the case.


So let me get this straight.  This OLD information was made public at least by April 2006 (maybe sooner) yet JK2 remained the prime suspects and still are the only prime suspects even though they have been released from suspect status?

EXACTLY!!! MF you can read like a book. Anything to make Aruba look good   :roll:
Renho talks out of both sides of her mouth. When her Julia personna talks she feels one way, when the Glenda personna opens it mouth she spins the other way. I hope she is worrying about just exactly what may come out about her involvement. She needs a few more wrinkles to add to her ugly mug look. MOO

Just posted at RU:

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Edwin Croes

I have to get to bed but I noticed a bunch of Interesting Posts on Edwin Croes on the net. I believe he is the one that reported "tips" called in to top 95 about two men abducting a woman on the beach(Marriott?)around the time Natalee dissapeared. Also the same guy sending out messages for Arubans to fight back just hours after JK2 were first arrested. Same guy who the "evil mediums" said was a witness to a murder that is linked to Natalee. Most likely Pitbull's.
http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/11/happening.html

Oh Julia.......your butt's in a sling!  Keep talking!

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Contrast Paulus' sweat to Beth's tears, Compare Joran's temper to Natalee's poetry, contrast Joran's 17 year old gambling and bar hopping to Natalee's church and charity work. Hold K2s exile from their homeland to Natalee's invitation to a full scholastic scholarship to the University of Alabama. Look at Anita's doubt of what her son was capable of to Beth's hanging posters, walking the streets handing out bracelets and immediately KNOWING her daughter had been kidnapped when she received the call. Hold up Beth's call out to Paulus at the gate to the man hiding in the bushes. Hold up the arrogance of lying over and over again when confronted by authorities to Dave digging in a landfill for his child and the truth.
Take in that Beth lost her daughter, her marriage, her career, to K2's attempt to get rich from Dr, Phil's lawsuit, and Joran's profit from a book. Don't overlook the determination Beth exhibited by her determination to not leave that Hellhole for months without her daughter, to the non effort by either the Sloots or the Kalpoe's to join their neighbors in the search for Natalee.

This crap being spewed forth from the nasty vile underbelly of subhuman, small, hate filled, self importance seeking creatures should not even rise to the level of annoyance. It bores me, and would have to elevate infinite levels to achieve even a status of "insulting".

CBB - it's all OLD news.  The only possible reason for a press release about it today is to offset Joran's temper tantrum and Beth's appearance on Oprah.  That's all I can figure.

Edited to add:  Not just OLD news but BS news that was not even taken seriously by the prosecution.

Something is not right.  These "mediums" came forward in April, 2006 ... this is not "new" information that the prosecutor was privy to.  Why is Rudy Croes requesting the prosecution to open the investigation based on finds of two "mediums"?

Janet

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http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=386

medleyrelay:

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: Woman claims she has a strange Beth recording?

"The following is an interesting email sent to Associated Press. It is self explanatory. Does it have validity? I don't know, but if we could hear that recording it would certainly be interesting."


To Whom This May Concern,
Quote:

I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway. My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young; we work together and are put in a category of being a "medium". We are able to communicate with people that have passed away, and we help bring comfort or messages to people still living with the help from our Indian spirit guides. We take what we do very serious because we are dealing with peoples lives. This letter is not about us; it is for the truth to come out about what happened to Natalee Holloway, and to clear a wonderful family's ruined reputation since they have been under attack and used as a scape goat to hide the real truth in other homes.

Everything that I am about to tell you has been told face to face to: The Aruba Police, State Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and many reporters from the newspaper, Aruba Today.

To make a long story short we were asked by Beth Twitty to go to Aruba back in December to find Natalee. We went at our own expense. Many things transpired and the bottom line is she did not want to hear what we found out. At that time we could not understand why, but after going back to Aruba a week ago and sharing the information that we had, we found out. We got validation on every name that we gave of the people that Natalee was last with. It was apparent that Beth did not want to hear what we had to say, because she has been lying from the very beginning about what happened to her daughter in order to hide her own dark secret in her home!

Natalee called her mother before she was due to leave the island saying that she was not going to be coming back home to Alabama. The story of Natalee missing her flight and Beth coming to Aruba is false. Natalee called Beth from her cell phone while Beth was already in route on a private plane telling her mother not to come to Aruba because Natalee would not be coming home. Natalee has tried to run away before, and she was being molested by her stepfather Jug Twitty and she was pregnant. She left everything behind, including her cell phone, so that she would not be found. Natalee's roommate packed her suitcase and it was at the airport waiting for her, thinking that she would change her mind but as we all know she did not.

Joran Van Der sloot was not the last person with Natalee. Beth has only been going after Joran and his family because she believe Joran was helping Natalee hide. He dropped her off at the fisherman's hut like he said, and afterwards she was befriended by a guy named Marlon. He crossed our path while we were in Aruba the first time and when we told Beth that we are able to ID the guy that was with Natalee after Joran dropped her off, she said, "I don't care who was with my daughter last!". We have that conversation tape recorded and it has been played to Karin Janssen, who was blown away by that comment. This made sense to Karin. She had a poster to show us which was only seen in Aruba that Beth put up when she first got there. It did not say "MISSING", it said "NATALEE", with a note from her for Natalee to call her. If your child was really missing wouldn't you make a poster saying "please anyone if you have seen this girl please call the police?" Reporters told us of a statement that Beth gave on the Aruba TV where Beth was saying, "Natalee please call me we can work out our problems." No one in America saw that.

There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her.

We gave the names of many people that Natalee hung out with and partied with during her last weeks alive , we also told them of a guy named scooby that if they would bring in would talk and all names were validated by everyone that we talked to. .We took the police right to the spot where her body was at the other end of the island and Dennis Jacobs was going to send a team out the following morning with dogs? No one killed her. She died of an over dose and we know the house that she was in when she died and also, that she was buried and reburied.(does a CBS 48 hour story sound a little similar?) There are many people who were with her and saw her on the island. No one has come forward because of the fear of the drug issue. It is so much easier to let Joran take the blame, since people saw her leave with him and the other boys.

We were told by the Police about a bar bill of $16,000 that was drunk by Beth and her friends as they stayed for free at the Holiday Inn because the hotel felt so bad for her missing daughter. DOES THAT SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR A MOTHER DISTRAUGHT LOOKING FOR HER DAUGHTER? The same story played out at the Windam Hotel as well, and this was confirmed by many other locals on the island that Beth and her friend's acting like they were on vacation.

In America it seems to be that about 9 out of 10 times when a child is missing or murdered, the first place the police looks at is the family. Since this took place in a foreign country, Aruba opened their hearts and spent so much time and money searching for a missing girl, who just ran away from a dark secret she had been hiding, and wanted to get away from. It is too bad that no one thought to check if there were any family problems in the Twitty household, because you just never know what goes on behind closed doors. We have so much more information, and our story was posted in the Bondia news paper on April 10Th. It was supposed to be in the Aruba Today in English the following day, but did not happen. Here is the link to that article.

(http://www.arubacentral.com/newspaper/bondia/April/10/A-10-04-2006.pdf )

All of the above information that I stated is the absolute truth and can be proven. why eles would two people be able to travel to Aruba give names of people that they have never met? and then with all the information that was given to them all, Karin Janssen, Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers, and other Police officers and lead reporters on the case, why would Karin Janssen

That Kelly Castillo is not from Arkansas. According to their
website,(guidedlight.com) they are both from California

 Daniel, known as "Lone Wolf", is of Apache Mescalero Indian descent, lives in San Diego California and volunteers at San Diego Hospice & Palliative Care.   Kelly, known as "Running Deer", is of Cherokee Indian descent, and lives in Chico California.

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Not me. I quit. I know sh*t when I see it, and enough to scrape it off my shoe when the stench won't go away.
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How to find Aruba:
Go south until you smell it then east until you step in it.
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well said, except that the way the stench is growing, it's beginning to cover the entire caribbean.
dennisintn



klaas.  everything is loading slower and slower as the night progresses.

Posted at RU - she makes a good point:

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Dennis - I can let Dugga know.  I really don't know anything about that stuff.  Whenever there are problems Dugga is the one to contact.  dugga@scaredmonkeys.com

Notice what all the T shirts say :shock:

Not me. I quit. I know sh*t when I see it, and enough to scrape it off my shoe when the stench won't go away.
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How to find Aruba:
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well said, except that the way the stench is growing, it's beginning to cover the entire caribbean.
dennisintn



klaas.  everything is loading slower and slower as the night progresses.

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 :lol:  :lol:

dennis.........I had that problem the other night with the pages loading really slowly. I ran my anti spyware and rebooted. It helped. I'm sorry you're having trouble!!

goodnight everyone!

Nite texasmom

Was it Fred Maduro who said he jumped bad on Anita when she came to see her incarcerated sporter?

Not me. I quit. I know sh*t when I see it, and enough to scrape it off my shoe when the stench won't go away.
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How to find Aruba:
Go south until you smell it then east until you step in it.
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well said, except that the way the stench is growing, it's beginning to cover the entire caribbean.
dennisintn



klaas.  everything is loading slower and slower as the night progresses.

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The page loading got worse and worse for me until they finally stopped loading tonight. I believe it is a adware or spyware problem since not everyone had a issue like me. I ran a system scan and seems to be ok at the moment. Hopefully that is it and not a problem on the server end.

Julia is saying that all of the "psychic" information came from the monkeys.
I don't think one bit of that stuff has been posted here. 
Check RU, Julia.

No money to invest in medical supplies!  What the hell is going on with this place?  Do they reuse catheters?  Do they have sharp containers?  How patients infect other patients from the use of nonsterile instruments?  Do they own an autoclave?  Just wondering.  It does not seem they care one whit about their citizens and their healthcare, only about that precious pharmacy, laundromat and trafficking.  Thus, the reason they try to point the finger at someone else.  I know a POS when I see it, and that whole island is smelling.  If Julia and her cohorts continue throwing these stink bombs, pretty soon, Ralph, my favorite skunk is going to be snuggling with her.

Boy, that's a stretch, even for the hag-ho. She's the first to know that the monkey site has always been supportive of Natalee's family!

He's probably euthanising the Hospice patients and keeping the government money that he is supposed to be spending on their care.

Note to Julia:  Before flinging poo, make sure the wind isn't blowing in your direction or it will come back to splatter all over your face.

Well any adult who calls themselves Lone Wolf and Running Deer certainly begins with a load of credibility. I think I'll call myself Goddess. My Great Grandmother was part Cherokee, so I should qualify for never, never land, right?

How to find Aruba:
Go south until you smell it then east until you step in it.
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well said, except that the way the stench is growing, it's beginning to cover the entire caribbean.
dennisintn



klaas.  everything is loading slower and slower as the night progresses.

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The page loading got worse and worse for me until they finally stopped loading tonight. I believe it is a adware or spyware problem since not everyone had a issue like me. I ran a system scan and seems to be ok at the moment. Hopefully that is it and not a problem on the server end.
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klaas, i used a ball peen hammer and hacksaw on some stuff in the back and it didn't help at all.  just a bunch of sparks and cuss words.  i did the anti-spyware and file cleaning and it didn't help much. 
dennisintn

Uh-Huh. It's a  "POO-MER-ANG!"   :wink:

Dennis - I emailed Dugga that's all I can do.  *******, IBE and a few others have been having problems off and on too.  I don't know what the problem is. 

thank you ma'am.  this downloaded just fine.  must have been the final blow from the hammer that did it.
dennisintn

Good  :lol:

These two "mediums" ... could be dismissed as kooks ... not credible but ... the unbelieveable aspect is ... Rudy Croes has announced today that he is requesting the prosecutor to open the Natalee Holloway case based on info which was originally presented to Karin Janssen in April, 2006.  In other words ... Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young are being afforded credibility by the Aruban Justice Minister.

Janet

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http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html
Bon Dia Aruba
April 10, 2006

The Public Prosecution, specifically chief prosecutor Janssen, and investigators in these past few days, including yesterday, met with two people, Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young, who said they have key information of what could have happened to Natalee, and they are willing to help authorities in giving them the necessary clues.


http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=386
April 19, 2006

To Whom This May Concern,

I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway.  My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young; we work together and are put in a category of being a "medium". We are able to communicate with people that have passed away, and we help bring comfort or messages to people still living with the help from our Indian spirit guides.


January 16, 2008
Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

How many of those having problems tuned in to ArubaZone garbage?                               

Not me.  Felt yukky and I backed out. :D

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Putting the Hag-Ho back in her Hidey Hole:

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i'd like to see a cost accounting on the amount of time and money a.l.e. has spent running down the lies and weirdo stories julia and people like this pair of ca. wingnuts and the "fighting back" scenarios cruez and his followers have generated. 
jossy seems to be the only person with a voice on the island that realizes that solving the crime and finding the body would have been a whole lot cheaper and quicker in the long run than incurring the wrath of a nation and ruining the island's credibility by blaming the victim and protecting the criminals in this case.  aruba will be paying through the nose for this case for l0 yrs. after natalee is found and the criminals prosecuted and put in jail where they belong. there are probably another dozen people on the island who need jail time for obstruction of justice.  the rest of aruba deserves whatever it gets for allowing these people to get away with the obvious lies and deflections from the truth.
dennisintn

Posted at RU - oh this is "rich", Glenda talking about the Hootie poster:

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I am going to go and listen to arubazone now, but I was just told those 2 said that Julia has evidence that she never gave back to Beth.  That is why it may come back in her face.  Julia, did you tell them that?  YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU DIDNT GIVE BACK?   Isn't that witholding evidence?????  OK, going to listen now.  All the above was from a person from Aruba who just watched it. 

Hotshot - that person in Aruba you just spoke to isn't trying to help, he/she is just trying to spread this BS.

No Doubt, just passing on what was just told to me...  Ticked me off a bit.  Why are they rehashing this crap?

January 16, 2008
Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

Perhaps Rudy is referring to the Van der Sloot family.  I do believe a couple Dutch bloggers/investigators got copies of Anita's faux pas and Freddy's PV.  :wink:

Damage control attempt a little late, Glenda.

LOL "someone else" made it.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

She said YOU made it, Julia.

I can only guess it's to offset Joran's wine throwing incident and Beth's being on Oprah.

January 16, 2008
Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

Perhaps Rudy is referring to the Van der Sloot family.  I do believe a couple Dutch bloggers/investigators got copies of Anita's faux pas and Freddy's PV.  :wink:

I wanna know who paid these people....  It's so much BS

Yep, follow the money.  Probably AHATA under the instruction of either Rudy Croes or Oduber.

Well, it sounds like they have more to say.  I am sure we havent heard the last of them.  So they say a person she stayed with is still in prison?  the only one we know of now is Rene's wife.  No-one is doing time for Pitbulls murder, but I am assuming they are talking about that being related.  I say let em spin, and yes.....Follow the money.  Lets investigate this the right way, and the send them back to where they come from, only to never let them back in again.  Isn't that what they do to liers?  Where is that guy who suppoably saw joran walking into the water in arachi?  Is he in jail?  We know Dompigs BIL is in an assylum, he says he helped bury her.  Oh man, we could go on and on here.  What about the person who is no longer in Aruba?  Hell, anyone with this case is no longer in aruba, well at least most of them are not.  Leaves people with a whole lot to go on......LOLOL  OK, gotta go to bed.  Just had to rant before I did.  Night all

Nite Hotshot

Nite

nighty night, monkeys.

My nice snow changed to freezing rain so had to shower, run a load of dishes and two loads of laundry in case the ice causes power outage!


23 million saw Beth's wonderful interview on Oprah.  Probably three times that many saw Joran's tantrum and lack of control.  And this is Aruba's response, to once again attack the victim and her family with these outrageous claims?

I wouldn't believe it if I had not seen Aruba's previous stupidity in the handling of this tragedy.  They are just compounding the damage with this response.  No one is going to fall for two alleged psychics trying to fabricate all of this at this late date.  There is a very good reason they were ignored before and they will get no where with this.

However, Rudy just may have outdone himself this time.  Is he telling Hans Mos to reopen the investigation?  Is he really sure this is what he wants because I don't believe it is going to take him where he thinks it will but it could be a very good thing to reopen it if that includes all aspects and not just these silly lies.

For the Aruban suspects, they need forensic proof.  For the family of the victim, unsubstantiated rumors out of thin air are good enough?

I will predict that if Aruba goes forward with any kind of an attack on the victim, Natalee, or her mother, they are putting the final nail in their own coffin as far as their reputation.

Just when you think they couldn't look any worse, they prove you wrong and do.  This crime is just what it appears to be and has from the very start.  Nothing has changed except it would appear the one in five using cocaine in Aruba may have just increased to an even higher percentage if they think this will fly.

Beth can handle this also and will.  She has the support of pretty much this entire country and if they don't stop with these kinds of lies, Aruba is going to resemble Haiti and Jamaica very soon.  Just what they deserve, too.

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Nite Helen Back

Well said Anna! 

Nite Hotshot!  You know I haven't been on this forum very long and I certainly don't know as much as most of the Monkeys but this whole thing with these mediums tonight just blows Me away.....I can not imagine how they expect anyone to believe this crap....It is just unbelievable to me....I guess I can say that I'm flabergasted at the audiacity of these people....I'm so pissed off that I can't even think of what I want to say......other than can anyone say what happened with Red and Oprah's People.....sorry about the ranting but truly it is unreal to Me some of the things that have happened in this case.  Thanks PC

Oprah's people called Red yesterday but it was too late for Red to get the call.  I'm sure they spoke today but it may have been too late for the show since it was taped yesterday.  In the meantime, yesterday Oprah's people came and looked through the Statements and stuff posted here at SM.  I didn't ask Red about if he spoke with Oprah's people today because of all this "psychic" stuff that came up.

Thanks Klass! I believe I will call it a night! Good Night Monkeys!

Nite Hotping

Hey  peoples !

Took me forever to catch up reading !

CARPE     TY  for capturing Oprah.  My heart really broke when Beth was going through the hope chest. :(

 Also listened to the Arubazone thingy..   :shock:   made me sick.. and IMO  Renho di**ylicker fluffa wench is behind that all.. and her MAMA  SID skank wench has to protect her fluffa lipped sl** daughter on RU?  Gimme a break.  :roll:
 How old is Renho? Her MOMMY has to always protect her on RU.. its apparent. a BLIND person can see that.
 Maybe thats why RENHO is so "F"D up too... mama had to protect her sorry ass just like Anita did to JVDS.. just like my ex MIL did to her Whacko kid too. DENIAL will get you NO WHERE.. trust me.  :-x :-x
 Perhaps my post will be edited and thats fine. I hardly have time to post ..:( Not that I dont care about the case anymore.
 Renho. Sidalee,, Daniels and your sidekicks on that link.. you all suck donkey *** ***'*and as PI would say,. Goats ass.  I dont like to call anyone ugly.. some cant help their looks.. but Rudy is one fugly man.. as are alot of others.. maybe not looks wise.. but ugly skin deep to the bone.  :-x
   OT.. in the next  2 months or so.. I will be moving  :)   Dunno how soon I will have my net hooked back up and will probably have to re register here .. I'm sure my IP will change.  :(  Not sure?  PC dumb here.
Klaas. I got your email.. read it earlier. TY and will write back in the next few days.   
 Hugs to NEMO and CP  :)

 

PS..   Kewl to Red for getting a call form Oprahs producer. Congrats

  NIGHT !

Angie - {{hugs}} everything will be ok.  Post or email when you get a chance.  Heck, maybe someone where you are moving to will have wifi and you can sneak in here, lol.  :lol:

Aruba sucks. :D

Quote *******:  Email sent out on June 9th 2005 by Edmond Croes of top Radio 95 and told to distribute to every website so Arubans can fight back. Also the same day JK2 were arrested.
(Papi Translation)

06-09-2005 12:56 pm
hello arubianonan, you can follow the self desaroyo, but tra precupami the criticanan of certain American upstairs aruba. I am suggested among follow you for another www.misfitting.com, read the commentsnan try and form good at defence for aruba. We trahando is hard at aruba for fight back, all will criticizes cu can perhudica aruba. You aid is necessary. If you have another website where have forums, please inform. Upstairs www.misfitting.com they lastra aruba! Y is we have to take accion y we defends self against atakenan infunda. Cualkier informacion, tips, the.d. In my mail: top@setarnet.aw please fordward this for all aruban in you list. Bye.

Edmond croes top radio 95 fm mail: top@setarnet.aw or edmondcroes@hotmail.com one acusacion false and infunda of cnn: aruba is one country of prostitucion and drugs. Aruba is exports prostitute for the netherlands and Europe. Well at the netherlands we have bad name finish om come across, or do you bisanan cu are you one aruban they stay look at the meno wtf you, the person of europe person is very self pendew om aworaki they hariendu we of about owing to happen cu nathalee aino hand already but life goes on: aruba:
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Not only am I extremely disgusted with this latest stunt, I am amazed that on June 9th, 10 days of Natalee going missing, this guy is calling for everyone to defend Aruba!!  WTF?  He has got to be Renfro's best friend.  UNBELIEVABLE!! 

The things these people are saying should be passed out at the travel shows, there would be absolutely no explanation needed.  Most people can see the ugliness and horror of a place that goes this far to slander  victims so they won't lose money on tourism.  SO  EVIL!!

 

LMAO !!  :lol: :lol: Hugs back at yah,, and I like how you ediited my post.. LMAO  I was being polite.. NOT !   :wink:
 Night !! Gotta get to bed here too!   

Aruba sucks and so does.. Ummmmmmmmmmm ..  well.. we all  know !!  :wink:

Eduardo Croes was very quick to defend Aruba. Is he related to Rudy Croes, Steve Croes, Charles Croes or just someone else cruising the streets looking to profit from others' miseries, including capitalizing on human trafficking, drug trafficking, money laundering, gambling, or other illegal fronts under the rouse of something with a legal name?  He rushes to defend the indefensible at that point, or that which did not need defending?  That sends up a big red flag for me when someone is all-too-ready to defend something that does not need defense.  Now that we are looking at that in retrospect, what was his business in rushing out to defend the island now known for murder and mayhem?  Is he possibly a bifrons?

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(Papi Translation)Thursday, 17 January 2008
Acusacionan earnest against beth holloway

in oranan of morning did take place at one conference where cu sr give young and sra kelly cu castillo is work for her company of guided light cu owing to wordo aserca door of beth twitty owing to give some declaracion strong environment supuesto mentiranan big and berdadnan of the mother of the family and natalee. Ja end owing to happen 2 year and mey of investigacion y at where cu sr. Young and sra. Castillo is bring front cu the mother of natalee holloway at several occacion owing to talk lie. Also owing to tell cu being the mother owing to talk cu his yui natalee holloway after cu owing to the will disappears. According the young mother of natalee was holoway know cu joran v / d sloot, satish and deepak not have nothing of having the bottom desaparecion of natalee holloway. According sr young and sra castillo, was natalee will have intencion of bek cas not go back and cu natalee owing to jega of core bay for several of cas end at occacion. The motibo for what is natalee acts of the so here is cu his padrastro jug was twitty abuses of dje sexsualmente and at where cu natalee holloway was pregnant of his padrastro also. They also owing to tell cu natalee holoway is dead but the bottom die owing to the consequence of overdose but in hand of another hendenan cu was help the mother sconde natalee. Come across

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3504/5/

lol

another good one!! lol I missed all the great wit last night!!
NOW GO SEE THR DR. CBB!!!
We need you healthy!!!

same as above...good one Klaas!! lol

this gets my vote for post of the day. Very true CBB.
Actions speak louder than words.

 ::MonkeyDance::  great post Anna
Just noticed the new Monkey smileys...I luv 'em!! too cute!!

If we're going to talk about psychics, let's talk about the one whose predictions were posted here a couple of weeks ago.  The one who says Natalee will be found in February 2008.  14 days from now will be February 2008.  Persistence is searching until they get what they came for.  When they find "that girl", they'll see all that sh*t.  For J2K and all their cohorts in crime and stupidity, now is about the time in "Jaws" or other horror films that you start to hear dum, dum, dum.  If you aren't scared yet, now's the time.  Justice is coming and coming fast.

 This shit is all just so wrong.  :roll: Something like this always seems to come about/resurface when something 'big' is about to happen. I don't think the motive has anything to do with Joran's wine fit or Beth being on Oprah...something else is 'up'...I will bet.


ALSO.......I wonder if Kelly Castillo is any relation to the Lois Castillo that posts at various sites on the Natalee Holloway case...many of you will know who I am referring to. By looking at this woman on 24ora, I would guess IF they are related that they may be sisters. :2thinky:

Where do these people get this crap? How devious can some be to spread this kind of stuff about a victim that cannot defend herself? I have never in my life seen the ugliness like some of these people have exhibited in this case. What goes through their minds on a daily basis about other things? These people are not right upstairs and I'm glad I have no personal contact with any of them.

I wonder if Glenda/Julia has told Anita this stuff these psychics are saying is BS, since this must be what Anita was basing her comments about the investigation she'd like to see done?

The two psychics on Telearuba yesterday (no wonder Renfro doesn't like them):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25-LfFkzgas


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Reminder - this OLD bogus information put out by Kelly and Castillo yesterday on TeleAruba and ArubaZone was to offset Beth on Oprah and Joran's wine incident:

Joran throws wine at DeVries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_xxB8XsyIM

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horse apples.  barrels and barrels of fermented horse apples.  and don't forget, these people can come "smudge" your house and get rid of homeless spirits who are terrorizing you.  any native american relatives these 2 people have are spinning in their graves over this crap.
dennisintn

I from Oklahoma -- I haven't seen too many blonde Cherokees.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Aruba is simply a joke. It is obviously a washing machine for it's neighboring Drug Lords as is evidenced by the high occupancy rates of it's beach front lodgings, the high level of reported traffic at it's airport, and it's deserted beaches. A better indicator would be the restaurant receipts or simply a stroll with a camera along the beach fronts.

However, if everything was rosy in Aruba for it's elected officials, that would mean the locals are all flourishing economically, and based upon how brightly "Goats Ass Face" Rudy Croes' ass is shining as he moons America demonstrating the pain of the boycott, ALL AIN'T WELL IN ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the United States, after that momentous collective movement on the toilet during which Julia Renfroe and her mother were expelled to Aruba, sighed a huge relief as they flushed ans said:

"Boy I feel better but it sure does smell!!!!!!!!!!"

Charlierat just posted this @ RU:

I just got off the phone with Carol Standifer. She remembers Daniel all too well. She had several conversations with him. She also remembers him trying to trick her into saying that Jug was molesting Natalee.

For the record, Carol has no knowledge that Jug ever molested Natalee and, in fact, Carol absolutely does not believe that it ever happened (and she told Daniel so in no uncertain terms). Looks to me like Daniel has skeeterized what Carol said to make it sound like she said the exact opposite.

I don't know about the rest of you but, to me, something like this throws a lot of doubt on everything else Daniel says, also.

This was just emailed to me.  Posted by Charlierat at the BNH site.  Remember Charlierat met Carol at the Birmingham book signing:

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GEL   ::MonkeyLaugh::

We do this alot, don't we? :wink:
Luv the new monkey smilies too! ::MonkeyLaugh::

At least this time, even thought the same message, it was from two different forums, lol  :wink:

Good Morning!…..A poster asked a couple of days ago, way back on the last thread, about the drinks and the bartenders (sorry I don’t recall who asked) and didn’t see it answered….this is what I came across…


Twitty thinks it is a possibility that she could have been drugged. But if Hollway was drugged, Deepak Kalpoe said he did not do it. "Let me ask you this," Skeeters said to Deepak Kalpoe. "I hear you can pay a bartender to slip a date rape drug in her drink."

"I've never drugged someone," Deepak Kalpoe said.

"Have you heard that happen?" Skeeters asked.

"I haven't heard the bartender story," Deepak Kalpoe said. "I have heard the drug ecstasy. I've heard they slip that into drinks."



LINK NO LONGER WORKS…IIRC this was on Scared Monkeys Radio, but I haven’t had time to look. Again IIRC, this is where Jossy mentions the $20.00

Joining us in Miami is Jossy Mansur, editor of EL DIARO, ... that in certain bars and nightclubs that if you slip a bartender or an assistant bartender, ...

Maybe her name is Running Beer and that Deer part is just a typo!

On, dennisintn is not going to like that since I thought that was his Cherokee name!

I have noticed that even the less than supportive sites and posters are distancing themselves from the broadcasts. However, it certainly mimicks the remarks of heli, not the molestation but the obsession with the poster.

One thing for sure is that all these anti Beth people should do is have a meeting and get their stories to match. Reminds me of the Deepak/Satish/I walked home lie. that Joran told. None of them can keep their stories/lies straight.

Klaas, so we have a monkey appropriate for saying "Kiss my ???????) :))

Here is Kelly and Castillo's website:

http://www.guidedlight.com/

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Not yet

When I first heard that tape, it had AHATA and Renfro all over it.
Then immediately Julia Renfro and her skanky mother started posting
at RU to distance Julia from the nasty lies.  How stupid do they think
people are?  Almost the first thing out of the Psychic's mouth is Julia
Renfro. It is so easy to debunk the lies. The only thing that I wonder
is why on earth she would do something this stupid. 
I think they should arrest the two psychics before they leave Aruba
rather than investigating what they have to say.  They made
some seriously slanderous accusations.

Just kidding:) Did we ever decide if they live at Moro Bay or in California? They don't sound like they are from Moro Bay, Arkansas but if they do I have time to go see them today.

ZABA people search has a Kelly Castillo in El Dorado, Arkansas.

If you go to their website link I posted, looks like they live in and near San Diego.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good day monkeys!

Daniel, known as "Lone Wolf", is of Apache Mescalero Indian descent, lives in San Diego California and volunteers at San Diego Hospice & Palliative Care.   Kelly, known as "Running Deer", is of Cherokee Indian descent, and lives in Chico California

So NoCal and SoCal - according to their website:

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I've been told that but then was told they live in Chico, Ca on their website, and their is one in Vero Beach. I am sure there are multiple people with that name. The Chico site neames them both as advertises them as psychics

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PHOTO'S WORTH A 1000 WORDS - NO PSYCHICS ON BEACH IN ARUBA AND NO TOURISTS EITHER!!!!!!

A sight for sore eyes:))))) They should rent out Aruba to folks looking for a private beach.

Please do not give those two at Guided Light ANY more attention.  I just saw them on the local news station here in Aruba.  They are CLEARLY con artists and evil people IMO.  It's no surprise this comes out now.  We must be getting people nervous.  The crew and search team on board the Persistence is not phased.  It's one more of many attempted diversions.

    

Contact Us


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619-688-1600 Local 24 hours
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I wonder if the wolf's bosses know what he does in his spare time?

I wish Destin etc would copy their beach format and plant palm trees to provide shade and to help hold the beach against high water and wind.

Back to finding Natalee with you!
G_d speed. GO PERSISTANCE GO!
 ::MonkeyDance::

Chico is where a state prison is located yes?

roflmfao, my cherokee name is "runswithbeer", in the crowd i associate with, that's the only way i get to keep any of it.  i'm going out and watch these people "smudge" a house to get rid of all those pesky 'homeless spirits' that terrorize the kiddos.  i bet that's a trip. 
dennisintn(runswithbeer)  there have been suggestions for a long time that i change my name to "usedtorunwithbeerbutiswaytoooldtodosoanymore"

I am a little of a psychic myself, and I see a baseball bat coming towards their heads in the future and then it fuzzes out for me. I wonder if one of them plays baseball and is a catcher or something. The other one I see some conflciting images I can't reconcile. It looks as if she is run over by a freight train, but I don't understand because people are celebrating, very confusing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ahhhh karma

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I wonder if the reservation knows these Indian's have lost their marbles?

CALL PECHANGA CALL THE GOVERNATOR!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

A much needed addition to our inventory of mood illustrators

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

runswithbeer  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Hi Kyle - we are actually laughing at them.  This is old information that was in the Aruban papers back in April 2006.  You are right, something is making Aruba nervous right now.  Keep up the great work you all are doing.

That and a poop throwing monkey too.

Speaking of Pechanga, my husband and I were just talking about driving out there...maybe even tomorrow  :wink:

Does Daniel claim that he was being molested when he was 18 and pregnant at that? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyCool:: 

That looks like Mishy. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I expect the tide must be high in Aruba if Aruba is sweatting like and with Paulus!!!!!!!!!

I just feel so badly for Jug Twitty whenever they start with this crap!  He deserves better than this!  I don't believe for one moment he did anything except love and try to protect his family and this is what Julia was saying at one time would be the subject of her book.

At RU they even had a joke cover for the book.  Then Larry Garrison outed her on it and the denials started pouring out.  This is ludicrous.  I don't believe Beth would ever have allowed anybody to harm either of her children in any way . . . and live!  But Jug went far above and beyond what is normally done as did Dave Holloway and Natalee was blessed to have had two fathers who loved her dearly.

IF these two clowns don't stop this ore even if they do, I think there are grounds for a tremendous slander and libel suit.  They are always suing Jossy so I know it can be done even in lawless Aruba.

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                      Attention all Arubian Mother's With Young Boys


Please take your boys to meet the crew of the Persistence. Since there are No Real Men In Aruba it would be a treat for your boys to get to meet some and the crew is only there for a short term assignment. It is important as boys need Real Men As Role Models to properly develop.

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great idea, p.e.  it might be their last chance they'll ever have on the vile isle.
dennisintn

I have the pleasure of knowing Jug, and I apologize for not thinking to post this sooner. That Jug molested Natalee or anyone else is absolutely a false statement, a big fat lie, a pile of crap etc.

Beth's family knows Natalee had a very close and appropriate relationship with Natalee and he has one with Matt. They also know that he is an excellent father to his own 2 children. He has been and is still there helping Beth in her search for Natalee, and he couldn't have done more if it had been his own children. Matt loves, respects, and has a great friendship with Jug, as did Natalee. I guess I assumed it was so taken for granted that I didn't even consider the need to state the obvious.

Jug I promise you that I have talked to Beth's Mother, brother, nieces, nephews, and cousins, as well as all of their friends, and not a one of them has even one little sliver of doubt that you aren't a damn good man and friend, that you weren't a great father to Beths and your kids, and that they still consider you family.

Furthermore, Daniel and Kelly, if you ever utter those remarks in the presence of any of them, it isn't going to take a psychic to read your future. It is going to take a shovel, broom, and mop to clean up your remains. And yes, I know that sounds like a threat, but it isn't. It's a promise.

I was so pleased to see Charley Rat discredit those 2 quacks and go right to the source, by asking Carol Standiser the real story.
Thanks GEL and Klaas for bringing those post here.

Civilization has not been kind to Aruba. A Banana Republic gone wild.

So true!  Many thanks to the brave search team on board the Persistence.  It seems that the brighter the light of the Persistence shines, the more the cockroaches scramble and scurry. 

Great post Anna yours also Private eye

Private Eye.....


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

God Bless the crew of the Persistence

Justice for Natalee

I second that. And I would like to say to Charlierat, I appreciate your effort, sincerely. I respect your right to disagree and I respect you as a man for being fair enough to say this was out of bounds. Thanks and yes I know you will probably hit me or my team for a good lick in the future and vice versa, but I will now respect you as a man:)

You know, I never read at other sites because I can't handle the lies and horror inflicted on Natalee's family.  I just get too pizzed!

Having said that, I should thank the brave monkeys who are willing to go into the dark depths and bring back helpful information.  Thanks for doing that from one of us who can't stomach it.

 :salut:

That skanky Siddalee is now saying that Beth hired the so called psychics
and paid them to make the statement to make Aruba look bad.

I am embarrassed that I didn't think to post this sooner, and am grateful for Anna having the insight and thoughtfullness to post it first.

Let's not forget the Persistence is still searching, Beth had a wonderful interview on Oprah and Joran has shown the entire world the real face of Aruba and how it treats others.

Working and lurking and hoping and praying the Persistence is successful in order to give this family some closure.  We can all see it's sure not going to come from Aruba, the source of the problem.  Aruba failed to control their thugs and now they throw poo wine in the faces of their victim and her family. 

This is just so wrong on so many levels.  The Netherlands needs to call in Interpol or someone with the authority to find out why a minister of justice would be encouraging this kind of libelous attack on crime victims and clean up that cesspool.


MOO back to work. . . .

Siddalee, one of these days Rudy is going to see you for the pimple you are on his butt, and pop you:(((((

Private Eye, I have been reading all your posts, and you are one awsome person ::MonkeyDance::

Kyle and Crew, HELLO, and go run over those 2 idiots before they do anymore damage  ::MonkeyLaugh::

PE...thank you so much for this post.....every time I think of Jug, I think of a song....Wind Beneath My Wings....I feel he was and still is Beth's 'Hero'

THE WIND BENEATH MY WINGS (Bette Midler)

It must have been cold there in my shadow,
to never have sunlight on your face.
You were content to let me shine, that's your way,
you always walked a step behind.

So I was the one with all the glory,
while you were the one with all the strength.
A beautiful face without a name -- for so long,
a beautiful smile to hide the pain.

CHORUS:
Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and ev'rything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings.

It might have appeared to go unnoticed,
but I've got it all here in my heart.
I want you to know I know the truth, of course I know it,
I would be nothing with out you.

(CHORUS)

Fly, fly, fly away,
you let me fly so high.
Oh, fly, fly,
so high against the sky, so high I almost touch the sky.
Thank you, thank you, thank God for you,
the wind beneath my wings.

Well Charlierat said this:

According to Carol, Daniel and Kelly went to Aruba on their own dime with Beth's knowledge but Beth did not approach them and ask them for any help. It happened the other way around - they called Beth and offered to go.

Back then there were all kinds of people and psychics offering help to the family.  If these two came to you claiming to be "psychics" that knew what happened to Natalee would you trust them?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/TeleAruba011608.jpg)

He!! No! Did You look at Their website....LOL!!!

I did find this new sign for Rudy Croes' Office


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Yeah, like Aruba needs help to look bad??  They are very good at doing just that all on their own!

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do you  have another sign for Rudy? : "Pimpmaster General"

Charlie from refugees did the right thing

thank you Charlie  :cool: from the bottom of my metal heart  ::MonkeyCool::

MF sent Heli a photo of the supposed document showing that Beth arrived in Aruba earlier than she said:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c28/HBelcourt/DisplayVisitorAruba.jpg)


Here is Lazlo's comment on the above "official" document:

Even after all the mean things he has said about me and all the monkeys, I will have to give CharlieRat credit for doing the right thing in this regard.

Thank you, CharlieRat.

Of all the lies told in all this mess, this has to be one of the most vile.  This needs to be stopped and stopped now.  What I believe we have is an example of people applying their own low subhuman standards to others.  It's just inexcusable for any reason.

.

Oh, looks as though Daniel and Kelly might have Photoshop!

Falsified documents--how original!   :roll:

That's what Lazlo is saying, yes.

Back to working and lurking  :wink:

:wink: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

When I wear this costume I can determine the true Native American names of people.

These two are not being truthful  Their names are really LieLikeARug and RunningBeer.

What do you expect from him.  He lives on southside!

Nice to see you, Gunslinger!

Yes, you can tell a lie is pretty vile when not even the RU'ers will go with it.
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Hiya Monkeys

Most official docs don't have the option of incresing the size or making it smaller. PLUS if it is on a computer program (looks like windows) anyone could go in & change the time of arrival or what the purpose for the trip was. MOO

This dude surely puts me in mind of the man arrested with Lorenzo at the home of Lorenzo during the drug bust.  They are all a bunch of pirates and pirate molls.      jack

How strange that the evil-side would be falsifying flight arrival times for Beth, when pvds' alibi probably depends on falsifying that the 2 younger vds' were in aruba instead of nl with avds.

Moo back at you Yapperz (love your avi) Makes me humm "Singin' a cow cow boogie, Singin' a yippi yi eh. Singin' this cowboy song..."

Klaas, I'm still laughing at your post ....MF...ass.  too funny.

RE: the "buzz" in aruba of the "amazing" info unearthed by RunningBrownStuff and IGotNoBrains, wow! how embarrasing.

Oh wait does MOO mean something more than a cow sound?

I meant MOO, like what a cow says bc of Yapperz cute cow avatar.

I remember a post that it means something but didn't read back to see what.

I believe it's 'my opinion only', but it's okay...we understood... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thank you Anna!  It's good to be recognized!

Are you suggesting the ru'ers have limits???

Thanks 2NJ. After I hear what those initial things mean it's like, duh. meaning duh not abrev. for something. :D

Hi Gunslinger. Good to see you.

I think it is snowing/sleeting/raining where I am.

I am speachless regarding rudy wanting to investigate the "big" info. It is bed, bath and beyond comprehension!

All the hatred and nonsense being spewed by these bags of trash is doing nothing but keeping this cover up in the media. Bad things will happen to bad people, and when you have parents who condone actions of their children, such as Anita and SweatyMan, karma will bite you back. We may never see the closure we all look for, but we will certainly be around to see the closure of the resorts and beaches. Keep up the good work Aruba, your end is near...check your "Bucuti Cam"!!

Hi NM!  Good to see you as well!

These people need a real job.  Their qualifications are waning with age.  It seems they think and have thought they were just to cute to work.  I hear McDonalds is hiring or being a greeter at Wal Mart would be, at least an honerable job.  People like these leech off the public and just go on until they finally run out of an audience.    Jack Blue

I appreciate the kind words, but it is easy to appear good with such an easy position to defend. The truth is that when I watch everyone involved in helping Beth I feel pretty lacking in effort and I wonder how many times I have failed to stop and lend a hand when people are in need of help. I thought I was a pretty helpful guy, but everyone involved has raised the bar as far as defining "helping their neighbor."

I literally am amazed by everyone involved, and I know Beth is immensely blessed, despite her huge loss, and she knows it.

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Rudy, roll out Joran, Paulus, Depak, Satish, yourself, and we will roll out Beth, Jug, Dave and who ever else you want and lets strap everyone into lie detector systems, and let the questions roll. We are certainly not afraid of the truth. I just wonder, how well you in particular will shine in this testing!!!!!!!!!!!!

aruba should be getting nervous!  Afterall, they are close to chavez, the Persistance and Crew are using oil exploration technology around the island.  Who knows, they may also find oil.  Then, it's just a matter of time before we start finding weapons of mass destruction there or something else like that and we have to invade and 'save' our oil!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

In honor of Aruba's new found psychics -- Rudy has adopted the name "Flaming Idiot".  ( I bet we can find an indian name for all the players as well) :wink: ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah, Oduber is just too chummy with the ChiComs, too, might be letting them slant drill into OUR oil, lol!

We takes our oil supply very, very seriously, too!  No telling what lenghts we crazy 'Mericans will go to to protect it!

 :D :lol: :D

 :cool:

 :wink:

That Kelly person appears to have the same hairdresser as Julia!

Looks like it was frozen and then broken off some how.

Aparently the US has determined that Venezuela is shipping huge amounts, tons, of cocaine into the US, and the amount rivals their oil sales oR something like that in dollar amounts. They are blaming Venezuela's President for the increase.

However, all of us Monkeys know that it doesn't ship directly from Venezuela to the US. It crosses over to Aruba INTO their free port, the staging area for all shipments into the US and Europe, where the drug lords also are busy washing their dirty greenbacks. So though it is being done indirectly by Aruba, IT IS ARUBA WHO ACCOMPLISHES THE SHIPPING OF COCAINE INTO THE US AND OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BLOCKADE ALL BOATS INTO AND OUT OF ARUBA, SEARCHING ALL BOATS FOR ILLEGAL DRUGS AS WELL AS ALL AIR TRAFFIC INTO AND OUT OF ARUBA, WHERE POSSIBLE. AND LETS NOT FORGET THE CRUISE SHIPS. OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ALSO MONITOR ARUBA FOR FANTHOM ROOM RENTALS IN OBSERVATION OF OUR AGREEMENTS WITH ARUBA CONCERNING MOMEY LAUNDERING.

If we do this we stop significantly the shipment of cocaine into the US and Aruba will quickly find justice for Natalee. This is their real livilyhood. Their justice for Joran will be administered in court or thru an out of court settlement with him, it is strictly up to Anita. Do you trust his fate to be determined by the drug lords Anita? How many times do you think they will tolerate him blowing off their hard work on your behalf?

Aruba, the US wants your friendship. We want to support your economy, we want to visit your beaches. But friends don't allow this to happen to their friend's children, and it is up to you to show us you value our friendship. We sent you ours children in a show of faith and we expect you to prove to us you deserve that faith. We don't expect you to be responsible for ensuring no accidents befall our children while there as kids will be kids, but we do expect you to do the right thing and take responsibility when an ill fate befalls our children while they are playing at your house. DO SOMETHING WITH JORAN AND CO TO PROVE YOUR WORTHY TO BE OUR FRIEND. FIND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, WE WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO PROVIDE US WITH THE ANSWERS, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW.

Oh, I just know we could!

Paulus already has his of SweatyRunningMan.  And he did it again after Joran's flinging tantrum. 

So many have earned these names completely.

They aren't just random.

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That sounds kind of nasty, kind of Aruban:))))))))

I still wonder if that Michael Archer is the failed mortician, the one being sued.  Anyway, looks as though he is trying to silence TJ Ward presenting his information concerning PVDS/SweatyManWhoRunsLikea Girl.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Check out his threatening to sue TJWard.  I wonder if he knew about the Sloots promoting these two psychics when he started threatening others with slander/libel suits. 

Thank you Klaas.

It is a wonder that Carol was gracious enough to give Charlierat the time of day.

Anyways ... my concern ... if this meeting that Carol had with Castillo and Young was recorded ... it is possible that this recording has been manipulated ... manipulated in a way that directs defamation against Jug.

When I listed to that so-called press conference yesterday ... the press conference that spew nothing but lies ... I would not put anything past these friends of the VDS'.

Janet



 

I am with you all of the way until we get to the last line in that song before the chorus::))) Its a great song and very applicable minus that:::::::::)))))))))))))

I think Charlie is a lot more personable in person and he feels the same way about Beth I gather from one of his posts. I really don't understand how he arrived at his "opposition" but I feel like if he knew what Beth knew the difference would not be so great. Or if he knew Beth as I do. Perfect, certainly not, but she is a simply a nice person, stronger than most, whose daughter is missing and she is doing the best she can.

I think Charlie supports Aruba more than he dislikes Beth. Anyway, I don't mean to put words in his mouth or post for him, as he is certainly a better source to describe his position than I.

Although Charlie has said some mean things in the past, he has at times seemed to be about the only one over there with any sense.

I guess there was a disturbance in the force that blocked what their hairdressers would do to them, huh?

I have no idea which one is which, but my guess is the one on the right is "wolf". The reason he's "Lone" is pretty obvious.

Lazlo wrote:

This is not a document but a vague print that anyone can make the way they desire. For info contact hakers_rule@hotmail.com

Btw, official documents (or prints of those) do not have the smaller/bigger/close option in the upper right corner


Wasn't this the same email involved in the Joran photoshopped pic of Natalee??

I can honestly say that despite their extreme dislike for Beth or her acts or position, by and large they all seem to be genuinely hopeful that Natalee's remains are found and think Beth deserves the answers. Now they may severely disagree with what those anwers might be when we find them, whatever the truth is they think Beth deserves them. It took me a long time to realize that, but I do believe that is true.

PI ... I am honored to posting with you in the Monkey cage.

Janet

LOL...well it's almost perfect ::MonkeyCool::

Hey, Buckeye!

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Nice catch Buckeye!! Indeed....I believe so!!

Any Hospice patients this man may have had are spinning in their graves while your FICA and Medicare taxes are spinning them on trips where they lie and subjugate in order to make more money for their lavish lifestyle.

Once a poster has disrespectfully dispicably underminded the words, actions and intentions of Beth Holloway Twitty ... I will not give them the benefit of the doubt that they do not have an Aruban agenda unless ... there is "genuine" repentence.  In my opinion ... the line in the sand regarding forgiveness was drawn a long time ago ... repentence and forgiveness are a package deal.

Janet

+++++++++++

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Janet, do you read at RU?  I do and see all the craziness that they post.  I was simply stating Charlie did not always go along with some of the craziness of others.  I never mentioned forgiveness, repentance or that he along with others did not have an Aruban agenda.  You being the Godly person that you are should also know that God says we are to forgive our enemies whether they ask for it or not.  I think Beth has done a great job at doing this and we should take a lesson from her.

That was me MumInOhio. Thank you so much for responding. I appreciate your help. I'm sorry I missed you  ::MonkeyCool::

I assure you the honor to be posting with and thus associated with all of you in mine:)

Casa ... I apologize.  I was not responding directly to your post ... I was just sharing my position regarding those with an Aruban agenda who have disrespectly dispicably undermined Beth.  I was sharing my position regarding repentence and forgiveness.

Sincerely, Janet

Thank you Janet!  I am sickened by the things that have been said and done toward Beth and other members of the family.  At times I have been enraged and beside myself at some of the things I have read.  My 21 year old daughter reminded me one day that God would handle evil in his own time and that those people are evil and God would take care of them.  I knew this!!! Actually, I think it was me who taught her that!  haha But she had to remind me.

Well, if they really are psychic, then LonelyRunningBrownStuff and FrozenBrokenHair will know which finger I will be holding up at them ::MonkeyLaugh::

Save "our" oil!

FlingingPoopnUrin=guess who?

Buckeye, Do you mean that "document" of a false arrival for Beth was done by same person who photoshopped for jurin? or was it a file accessed from his hard drive?
I could definitely believe that FlingingPoopnUrin is behind this intelligent strategy.

I think it's the same email.  We need Klaas to check the old FP photo posted of the email that went with the pic.

CBB

Thanks....you're all heart  ::MonkeyRoll::, however, I will keep my simple candle until Natalee is found.......and then......I would like a lovely fireworks display....... :wink:

I know I appreciated Charlie calling foul on the radio interview, on his own, just because he felt that he should. I can't demand that the world see things as I do, and I respect peoples rights to oppose and think as they do, to oppose me and play for the other team so to speak, but this was universally wrong, the radio interview, and I respect Charlie for calling a timeout, and speaking against the wrongness of this particular play.

Don't think that I don't feel as strongly as all of you together that our position is the correct position, but I do acknowledge other's people right to have a different position and I truly respect a player on the opposing team who despite playing hard for his side, will call time out and foul on his own side when it is appropriate. His words on this issue were most important and appreciated, and I do not view him as a weak player for them. Quite the opposite, in my eyes it makes him a much stronger player for the other team,

Unless you have been in a lot of sports, physical fights, or competitive situations, it may not make sense what I am saying or I may be not saying it correctly, but I think Charlie understands my intent, or I hope he does. And I don't expect him to lighten up and I am sure he doesn't expect me to either.

It would be a good thing though if the 2 sides could put aside their differences, demand justice for Natalee, and thus provide relief for the INNOCENT ARUBANS. HOW MANY THERE ARE, WHO THEY ARE, IS ALL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND DEBATE, BUT THERE ARE SOME INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING HARMED BY THIS. BETH DOES NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN ANYMORE THAN CHARLIE, HOWEVER AT THIS POINT SHE FEELS THE BOYCOTT IS THE ONLY MEANS TO FIND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, AND AS MUCH AS SHE REGRETS THE HARM TO THE INNOCENT, HER FIRST PRIORITY IS TO PROTECT HER DAUGHTER. AND,,,,,,,, ARUBANS, BETH SUPPORTERS, BETH HATERS, CAN ALL IDENTIFY AND UNDERSTAND THAT.

Frozenbrokenhair!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Anna, way to tell it over at ZoltanZion! 

It seems TJ Ward smacked down Michael Archer on Star Jone's show.  Sorry I missed it. 

You guys remember Michael Archer, the famous forensic scientist we can't find any info or CV for that Joe Tacopina took to Aruba?  You know, the one whose bio was on Wikipedia until even that disappeared some time ago?

Not only does he have no credentials that we can find, he has sent a "cease and desist" letter to TJ Ward.......from himself! 

OMG.....too funny!

Thanks  Buckeye!
I was just looking for the youtube links in the last thread and saw your request for them.  Just in case you didn't get to them yet.
OPRAH - PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQykmHv6TQ&feature=user

OPRAH - PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FG0CmHnxA&feature=user

Charlie knows the consequences of litigation when forged documents are presented as fact.

I think this time he did it just because it was the right thing to do though.

Heli, that was not a broad based promise, it was specific to those two, claiming Natalee was molested, specifically by Jug. And I meant it. Sincerely.

Hi Helen Back,
Maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!

Is this for real? I mean is it possible to be as stupid as these things happening?

Anna's description of the hair was too funny.

NM

Thanks....but I wasn't the one looking for the links.   :smt102

From FP (old)

Crioyo on November 27th, 2006 8:44 pm

Saw the whole show sunday…Pretty good..even if it was just a summary of what we already knew. It’s the first decent attempt to put it all on mainstream tv. The last time opsporing verzocht did it, they made it look as if joran & co were just witnesses rather than suspects. This time around it was good.

I didn’t know though that Joran had paid someone 200euro’s to photoshop pics of him and natalee to pretend as if they already knew eachother. They showed the email and the account hakers_rule@

and when peter asked paulus on the phone, paulus also said the ”we have more information but will bring it out when the time is right, that is when she is found or in such a case” speech. same thing joran said on 60 minutes was it?

etc etc…pretty good show and there seems to be a part 2 this week according to me…

will keep an eye out.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/26/peter-de-vries-investigates-the-natalee-holloway-disappearance-in-aruba-lies-and-conflicts-of-interest/



IIRC....We have a picture of the email...somewhere....Klaas???

Julia Renfro and Charlierat's mindsets are one this issue.

I believe that Julia and Charlierat's condemnation of Castillo and Young's actions are motivated by the realization that their past  insinuations that undermine the words, actions and intentions of Natalee's family is one thing but ... the outright accusations of these two loonies in the audio recording are another ... especially when the legally implications in regards to lawsuits are taken into consideration.

Tamikosmom is not giving Julia Renfro and Charlierat any slack.  They have not diverted from their  long established agenda to distance Joran and Paulus by sifting the focus of blame on the victim and her family.

Monkeys ... I have accumulated Julia and Charlierat's dispicable posts in regards to Natalee and Beth.  I would feel that I am betraying the Natalee's family and Natalee's memories by giving them the benefit of the doubt without reading in a submitted  post that there was "genuine" repetence for their dispicable words ... for their cruel insinuations.

IMO

Janet

Janet....I totally agree with you.
I will give credit when credit is due.  IMO none is due regarding those two.

Charlie has not apologized for anything he did or any of his words, or for his position, and I know that. He has the right not to as far as I am concerned. He apologized for, or he worked to discredit, or however else anyone wants to phrase it, this one specific "act." And it was that one specific work on his part that I appreciated him doing. I know how I think he feels, I know how he has posted, and as I have said he is entitled to his opinions. I have posted just as harshly as him, or have tried, and it is my right to completely disagree with his post and to even be angered by them, just as his right is with us. But this one act was so clearly out of bounds, legally and ethically, and he had the balls to say so. I am not going soft on Charlie and he is already chewing my ass again, but even it hotly debated debates there are limits, and he is pointed that out in his own way. Don't make too much of this, as he hasn't, but if someone does a kind act and you notice it, then the person noticing it should give credit where it is due. I noticed it.

From RU:

MF Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:06 pm   
Dompig's reaction to the American couple's conference.

He said that he never met with them, but knew who they were. He thought of them like "Wild Cowboys". During that time he get so much information, that he got no indications to investigate their findings. The story about the sexual abuse, explain at least Jug's behavior. "He was very aggresive and threatened me and my agents."

The police had indications just like the first poster that Beth handed out and from girlfriends that the relation between the mother and daughter damaged (verstoord) was.

That the mother lied about her arrival time he is not aware of.

"We have investigated the timeline and we know based on telephonecalles, flightinformation and airtraffic, that these must fit the theory and thus Beth on the time arrives that she had said."

If the two are integer, Dompig does not dare to say, but he does know from his old colleagues at the FBI that Castillo and Young never had a serious case. "Anybody can call himself a private investigator in the USA and possibly searching for their 15 minutes of fame." Nevertheless they might have discovered some things according to Dompig. "You never know. Moreover, they say that crazy people and children do speak the truth."

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Janet...I am 100 million percent with you on this.....and we know this is never going to happen...I was sent the rat's post on RU re: PI's post....I will not post it here...but it is his usual nasty self posting....
I still can't understand, and have given up trying, how those people can be so ugly and nasty about a mother trying to find out what happened to her daughter and seeing those responsible brought to justice....such a 'soul' sick group of people :shock:

Good to see you, AGS and you hit the nail on the proverbial head!

I can't seem to get it right but in my mind Charley and I had the same position on one claim in that interview. The allegation against Jug was over the top and not supported by any truth and we both felt it should be refuted. Nothing more nothing less.

 :)

I saw the post, but I think I had already addressed his "point" in a later post:) But I don't care what he says about me, I was interested in his "fairness" to Jug, on this one issue. I still think he is wrong and he still thinks he is right. Anyway, much ado about nothing I promise you. I have not softened and he certainly hasn't and anyone who attacks Beth will get my disapproval full blast, because that is what I do.

Whoa, Bob Barr.  I think a barr trumps a taco any day.  Bob Barr of impeachment fame.

If you are not from Birmingham, you don't understand that "over the mountain" mentality between MB and SS.

Is it just me or do others find it just plain darned odd that Joe T would take this grossly obese, failed mortician to Aruba masquerading as a forensic scientist?  I mean odd even for a mob lawyer, ChiefWhoseClientsSleepWithThe Fishes?  Try to get a visual of those two prancing around Aruba to see what I mean.

And he is concerned that TJ Ward is talking too much?  Sounds as though TJ got the best of him on the program and he is still steamed about it.  Suing TJ would be the best thing they could do as it would allow TJ to present his evidence in court and it would become public record for the whole world to see.

ClientsSleepWithTheFishes might want to think about that before taking these drastic threatened measures.

Or maybe he can lie again and claim TJ made a crude comment after the program as he did with Peter Devries when we all saw the tape and know that didn't happen.  Also odd this joker wrote the letter to TJ Ward himself saying if TJ doesn't stop saying that, Joe T is gonna sue him.  Don't attorneys normally make those kind of threats themselves.  Maybe MorticianBoy forgot to mention this to his boss? 

More clowns in action.

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PI ... same position but ... different motivations.

I believe that your position is unselfishly motivated by a strong sense of what is right.

However ... when I consider Julia and Charlierat's dispicable insinuations submitted in the past posts ... posts that demean the character of Natalee, Beth and Jug ... I conclude that Charlierat and Julia's positions are selfishly motivation ... a motivation that will distance them from being associated with a possible defamation of character lawsuit.

IMO

Janet

 

And you have the monks backing you all the way ::MonkeyDance::

I find everything they do odd...love the More clowns in action statement!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's what I'm saying and have said ... the hot smell of litigation swaying opinion.

Next they will be claiming that Julia/Glenda never planned to write a book about Natalee being pregnant with Jug's child and all of them chiming in on jacket cover suggestions!

Somebody somewhere still have that obscene thing they photoshopped as verification of not only the plans but the group participation and encouragement.  I don't ever want to see it again but like the truth always is, it's out there somewhere.

And Larry Garrison I am sure has all the smarmy details as he went public on those book plans long, long ago.  I mean the book plans of Julia with her big expose that she made up on the spot out of whole cloth and her own perverted mind.

And unfortunately for the CharlieRat, he is located where a judge could easily access him and any assets he might have in the event of a slander/libel suit being filed.  Tsk, tsk, should have thought about all that when the fun was being had smearing Natalee and Jug in this reprehensible manner.

And of course, how could he go back on his comment that he thinks Joran and the Kalpoe brothers are "guilty as hell." And that it "always comes back to the three."

I'll work OVERTIME for you and ALL the monkeys if that can just be accomplished!  :wink:

Oh, the hits just keep on comin! ::MonkeyLaugh::

You couldn't make this stuff up.  I think Runningbeer, Frozenbrokenhair, ClientsSleepWiththeFishes, Whiningwineslinger, Pauluslieswhentalking, womanwithcrazyclownhair, wordonthestreetho and the rest been smoking the peace pipe too much!

I think Anna has put them in the world they built for themselves.

Incidentally, have you see the girl missing on St Marteen from California, who has the same physical characteristics as Natalee?  Wonder if Paulus has been St Marteen latley.

Exactly!  My feelings  exactly.   Thanks for putting them in words.   ::MonkeyCool::

I think Charlierat has some good karma coming his way.

The year of the Rat starts on Februray 7 -

"Rat: You are imaginative, charming, and truly generous to the person you love. However, you have a tendency to be quick-tempered and overly critical. You are also inclined to be somewhat of an opportunist. Born under this sign, you should be happy in sales or as a writer, critic, or publicist."


http://www.chinaunique.com/fun/newyear.htm

Buckeye,
Is this it
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/27/so-why-does-an-innocent-man-pay-for-a-fauxtograph-of-joran-van-der-sloot-with-natalee-holloway/

I found it from
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/

sorry about the other links!

Amen, brother!!  You all are on a roll.  Great thinking. ::MonkeyDance::

I wouldn't wish Chavez on anyone. The hard working Arubans do not deserve that. IMO

Yep....thanks NM

Lazlo's comment may have been tongue-in-cheek.  Just emphasizing a fake capture.  :smt102

More on Hugo and increase in cocaine traffic through Venezuela even by OIL barges and freighters.

http://housley.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/17/hugo-and-the-cartels/#more-441

Seeing that this jerk works at San Diego Hospice just shocks me.  My Dad died there about 10 years ago, and the facility is amazingly wonderful.  This guy might work in the back -very far back-kitchen or do maintenance there, but I never saw anyone that even remotely resembled anyone looking like that.  I can assure you that my Dad wouldn't have been allowed to stay.  We were within him 24/7 for 2 months.  We met and saw everyone. 

One of those CSI shows has a story on now about something
called Halo Parties or Liquid Halo Parties.
There is a group of men...one scopes out a nice clean cut girl.
He then calls all of his buddies and then first guy gives the
girl roofies.  Then the group rapes the girl and they video the rape.
Then they dump the girl out and she has no idea what has happened.
One lovely young girl died because they gave her an accidental over
dose of the roofie. 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/TeleAruba011608.jpg)

Yikes that guy looks like Charles Manson!!!!

A little bit...yes (klaasend)  :wink:

(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2002/04/25/image507238x.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

In case you missed it, here is the Telearuba broadcast.  I don't think Renfo is too happy about it   :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25-LfFkzgas

AZSunny, there are good Hospice entities and terrible, horrible ones.  There are many in San Diego, branches, if you will, of one another and some independent of the other.  You can judge right away based on how they talk when you first contract with them, if there are POS's there, but some people are too sad and downbeaten at the time to recognize it.  I suspect any patients he has had would like to arise from the grave and take back their obligation and contract.

#4 All of the above plus #5 should be Anita & Paulus' feeble attempt at justifying Joran's behavior by trashing Natalee. (failed miserably-backfired on them big time). ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas, you are not alone here.  Been reading and catching up. Between work, cooking, washing clothes, it all is taking away from my MONKEY time.

You are right.  The one my Dad was in was built by the wife of the McDonald's owner, and his care for 6 months of home visits, and the two months in the facility were beyond any expectation any of us had when we called.  I feel we were blessed to have been referred to this facility.  My Dad was in a room that looked like a suite at a resort hotel.  He kept asking how much it was costing, and did we have to pay for parking!  LOL

Sorry, Klaas.  Pizza time is now over.....

Yes to all of the above.  Additionally, WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO DRAG THESE TWO OUT FOR THE NEW OLD NEWS SHOW?

Who is getting nervous enough to think this was a good idea?

another 35 plus people that are NOT going to aruba....heheheheeh

single handedly stopped by one ROBOTS


ohhhhhhhhhhhh  myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

im a wanted robots by a travel agency

 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

like a i really give a S _ _ _



35 people going to florida !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Another indian........................."Flaming Idiot"  aka Rudy Croes

This was all planned before the Wine throwing because Paulus and Anita
mentioned it during the show...indirectly
I don't think they realize the impact that the Oprah Show could have.
So that leaves #1...and I hope that is the correct answer.
The Sloots going out to see the ship and search before they left for
NL is telling to me.

#4 is my answer, the fact that this is the best Rudy Croes and Co. can come up with says A LOT!  It also says a lot about how much RC tries to accomodate the VDS family since I have no doubt that all of this bloomed from their accusations on P & W's show.  Rehashing this garbage proves to the world that they couldn't legitimately tarnish Natalee or her family.  It really makes them look like fools if this is the reason for their remarks during the interview, and RC for going forward with it.  I don't think that interview would have ever taken place if it hadn't been for the presence of the Persistence and #3.  JMO

PRESS ON PERSISTENCE!   ::MonkeyDance::   

PERSISTENCE=HOPE FOR JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

I thought he was Stinking Goat. ::MonkeyLaugh::

So....tell us how one Robots could accomplish such a miracle,

WAY TO GO ROBOTS!!!!!!
Since I don't have access to the "kiss my butt" monkey this is what I have to say to the travel agency... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

If they really are psychics, they should have seen in to the future and seen that this was a bad idea::)))))))))

Ways to prevent them from going:  Our economy needs the money; you can and might not return from Aruba and if you do, you will have a strange story to tell which is a living nightmare.

Or do like I do, ask Klaas for her opinion:)))))))) She may not be psychic, but she has an excellent sense of appropriateness and good taste::::::::)))))))))

Klaas ... to some extend it could be "All of the above".  However ... the following words of the "loonies" on their site tend to make me believe that the agenda was to distract from Beth's appearance on the Oprah Show and ... I believe the strategy was successful to a certain extent when you consider yesterday evening's dialoging in the Monkey Cage.  Although ... Beth's appearance was definitely acknowledged .... the audio recording of so-called press conference was where it was at.  I also got taken and ... I am so angry with myself.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

+++++++++++

Natalee Holloway: What did really happen?
Wednesday, 16 January 2008

Today, Beth Holloway the mother of Natalee Holloway will appear in a special show on one of the most popular television shows in the United States, the Oprah Winfrey show. However, today in a shocking fashion local radiostations presented a press conference that revealed new and shocking information in the dissapearance of the Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway. According to the American couple Natalee Holloway has been abused by stepfather Jugg Twitty, this according to a close friend of Beth Holloway.
Below we present a seven part audio recording of the press conference held this morning in which they present surprising new information.

The Oprah Winfrey is today at 5pm on channel 14 on Cable TV.

We at Aruba-Zone.com want to thank local radiostation Top 95 FM for the audio of the press conference presented this morning.

Editor - Aruba-Zone.com
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http://aruba-zone.com/content/view/460/1/

Nah, they would be playing the stockmarket instead of trying to rip off old people under Hospice and deceased families of children who never return from their pet island, Aruba.  What's their other interest there?  This is something that needs to be delved into.

::MonkeyLaugh::

I am so glad I have that edit button.

Klaas, I think #5.

you go speak at a high school that was a planning a trip to aruba

and you simply tell the truth  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


this was a victory

-------------

the other day at the denstist i talked with a lady who was going to aruba and there was no talking her into anything else. she was going and that was final

i told her to be careful, she thought i was crazy


 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

They aren't psychics. They are scam artists and I use the word artist loosly

No Doubt Joe T. threw in some of his BRILLIANCE in a backroom strategy session when he and his forensic scientist visited with the SLOOTS recently.  Can't you picture them now......Joe T., morticianman, Paulus, Anita, Rosemarie, Adriana, Pauly, Vinnie, Tony, Bobby and Janice, Sil.........

Seems to me that the Persistence must be getting close, and the "gang" is starting to throw each other under the bus.

Good Thinking Robots.  What a clever idea.   ::MonkeyCool::

 :shock:

KLAAAS!!!  Why is Tylergal so special.  Not Fair!    ::MonkeyWaa::

5. DISTRACTION


Hiya Monkeys

Wreck I think Flamingassholeidiot suits Rudy better   ::MonkeyCool::

i hate aruba and everything on it

with a passion
i would do almost to make it disappear  :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

OK..still working but I did want to say one thing.

I actually do feel bad for those people in Aruba that are innocent of all this.  The government and AHATA has done more damage to Aruba's reputation than any boycott could.  They have shot themselves in the foot many times and continue to do so.

My answer to my own question would be:

#4

Hi oceanexplorer ... I see you lurking.

I hope all went well with you and the crew of the Persistence to day.  How were those sea legs throughout your well deserved rest on shore.  Kinda wobbly I bet.

Love and Prayers

Janet

Hi Oceanexploration!

Hope all is going well!

yes, there are some innocent folks that are getting hurt

and it is the governments and the sloots fault

not mine and not your fault

blame the sloots and k2s

I used to feel sorry for them -- no more. Outside of Jossy -- I don't see one damn one of them trying to do the right thing.

Tyler...you can't just leave it at: I think #5.  You have to tell what
#5 would be. :)

Klaas, the innocent hard working people of Aruba are the ones who can make things change on One Smelly Island.  Vote & protest against the way things have been done.

Same as me.  Now do I get access to that edit button.

  ::MonkeyDance::

Janet

I agree, please tell us what you think Tylergal!

Yep, my forefathers were like that too and they had a tea party.

Yes, I was lurking.  Just catching up on the Monkey musings.  Things are going well. I just posted an update.  Check out the blog.  We're almost at the dock now.  It was very rough all day.  Fortunately no one was hurt.  The only incident we had was our navigator got hit in the head by a flying tape dispenser.  That HAD to hurt.

As for all that nonsense from "Guided Light" ...they're con artists.  They don't claim to be psychics btw, just guided by Indian Spirits.  Whoot!   ::MonkeyLaugh::  The timing isn't coincidental IMO.  They'll likely be sued for libel down the road (also IMO).  Hopefully this search will bring hope and closure to the family soon. I personally trust so. God bless you all and thanks for the continued support and prayers.

This is my one post for the night.  I do not feel bad for the people in Aruba.  They allowed it to happen and they were quick to protest Beth.  Where are they with their signs now.

I agree. But I don't know how else she can apply pressure to affect change in Aruba. Betico Croes had the right idea, in that Aruba could build nice lives for their citizens with a tourist industry just like Destin or Myrtle Beach. Tourism and real estate would flourish if they could rid the island of the large organized crime element. But the proximity to SA makes it almost impossible to do. Large payoffs can corrupt the best, but it is ironic, that the true idealist of Aruba, Betico, is having his dream shattered by the corruption of his own son and brother. It is speculated that Betico's death was not an accident but a murder conspiracy, leaving Aruba in the hands of what should be the protector of his legacy, Rudy. Pity that Rudy sold out and placed himself in the hands of the drug lords. And who knows, they may just be to powerful for anyone to stand up and defeat. However, if so, they make Aruba too dangerous to become a tourist haven as well. Beth found out the hard way, and the island, like Joran, is demonstrating their true colors and their lack of anger management when pressed for "Justice For Natalee." Such a simple request, and universally the right thing to do, yet soooooooo much resistance. I just don't understand.

I agree, Klaas.  I feel bad for the people who have no control over the situation, and are at the mercy of AHATA and the Powers That Be.  I've never been to Aruba, but we have met some really nice folks on this board who wish no harm to the family, and understand their grief.  In her book, Beth relates many inspiring stories about the citizens of Aruba who were helpful and supportive when the family was there searching for Natalee.  Regrettably, the good citizens of Aruba are lost in the mess created by a few corrupt, power-hungry, greedy fools.

I agree! There are babies over there that are suffering because of the stupidty of the adults......So Sad!

Ocean,  Take the day off tomorrow.  You have my permission.  It is going to be rough
seas anyway.

You all are simply the best. I know Beth is more concerned about all of your personal safety and well being than her closure, so by all means take care, minimize any risks for harm to all of the crew and equipment and know that she is bound to appreciate each and every one of you. Not that she doesn't want closure, just that your safety is more important to her::)))))))))))) She definitely needs closure more than even justice!!

Good Night Monkeys and  ...

Good Night PI.  I pray every night that Natalee's family will receive the emotional and physical strength required in their quest for justice ... in their quest for a measure of closure.

Hugs

Janet

Update: Thurs 17-Jan 2320 hrs

The Persistence left the dock today at 1224 hrs. The trade winds are howling at 30+kts. The 8ft+ seas are growing and brimming with white caps rolling in from the northeast. The occasional 12-14ft swell rocks the Persistence mercilessly along with its inhabitants. Inside, life goes on as usual and spirits are high. Exceptionally large swells throw around anything that isn't dogged down. The galley clock gets thrown off the wall and is now stuck reading 8:35. It seems we also have high-tech self-clearing shelves, tables, and counters. Traversing around inside the boat is a novelty in high seas. People turn into walking pendulums making Z-shaped paths leaning to and fro 30 degrees. The comedy is abruptly interupted with a sobering reminder of the ocean's peril over the radio.

2100 hrs - A call comes on the radio from the Aruban Port Authority requesting the Persistence assist a vessel in distress. A sailboat named Michelle with 6 reported on board is adrift. In such strong winds and high seas it's possible the sailboat could have broken its mast. All we know is that they need immediate help. The search team picks up the sonar and immediately heads in the reported direction of the distressed vessel. For miles we scan the dark horizon as Curacao, Aruba, and the Persistence carefully monitor the radio. Finally, we receive a position and plot a bearing and range -4.5 miles, heading 210 degrees. After a while, the Aruban port authority once again raises the Persistence on the radio, only this time with a very different position. It seems not only is the Michelle adrift, she is very lost. I can only imagine what kind of hell the people on board are going through. Powerless, drifting, scared, alone, and at the mercy of perilous seas the Michelle hopes and waits for rescue somewhere offshore Curacao. The Persistence is called off its search and turns towards the Port of Aruba at 2300 hrs. Although unspoken, we all feel a sense of disappointment knowing the Michelle is still out there in danger.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xii-perilous-seas.html

But as a democracy, the masses have the contol of the country, they just have to exercise it.

Your concern is your beauty:)

goodnight Janet!

Good night, I am heading for the sack myself. Natalee's family will never get tired or lose interest in this quest, to be honest they haven't even broke a sweat yet, unlike Paulus:)))))))))) They have too much good help for that to happen!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you PI.  But I really don't think Beth is doing or has to do anything to apply pressure to Aruba anymore.  True, she did bring the tragic story of Natalee's disappearance to the world, and Bravo to her for continuing to do that.
But there really is no boycott.  There is only the American public (and others) becoming educated about the mafia, drug lords, and corrupt police and justice officials running rampant in Aruba.  I truly believe that once people are informed, the choice is a no-brainer!

As evidenced by the nut bags who would attack the victim and her family, the place is very, very dangerous, and that's all people really need to know.  What kind of people re-victimize a victim?  And why would anyone want to travel to a place where this is a common practice?

But Beth doesn't have to tell it anymore.  Thanks to many hard working people, the story is being told over and over. 

And, we have a ROBOTS out telling everyone.



 ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas, I believe you have left out some important ones.

Pride:

Their excessive belief in their own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. ( they have not been Recognised by the Holloway's)

Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

Anger
This is manifested in the individual who spurns love (lies of loving) and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. They say they are anger that the Holloway's have build this case on a foundation of lies. by at the same time lets enjoy the the rest of the seven sins.

Greed:
this is their desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. (they said that they can read and work with the spirit, another BS) It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. ( They said that they not doing it for money, but I bet you that the seven sins tells you different)

Sloth:
is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. (if they were so spiritual, they would have solve the case a long time ago) even the FBI do not believe in them.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   01/16/2008

Police Union: ‘Nightclubs closed at 01:00’ 

In order to avoid irregularities, like after the last Torchlight Parade, the nightclubs must close earlier, is the opinion of police union SPA.

ORANJESTAD – Police union SPA has sent a letter to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber objecting to the late closing hours of horeca-businesses.  SPA asks the premier to have the clubs in the center of town close at 01:00 during carnival activities.   

The letter was also sent to Justice-minister Rudy Croes, to all the parliamentary party-leaders, and to chief of police Peter de Witte, who already indicated in the Amigoe last week that he wants to discuss the closing hours with Oduber.  “The current situation can lead to problems during carnival”, said De Witte referring to the free-for-alls in the center of town after the Torchlight Parade. 

SPA has also mentioned the closing hours in the note to the corps leaders and Parliament members as a result of the shooting incident that killed a 19-year old boy and seriously injured a police officer.  The union says that some horeca-owners are pertinently neglecting the closing hours.  In order to guarantee the safety of citizens and police officers, the union wants the horeca-places to close at 01:00 during week nights and at 02:00 in the weekends. 

Due to understaffing in all the districts, SPA also wants the horeca-places to close at 01:00 in the weekends during the Aruba Tivoli Lighting Parade on January 26 and the Kimamento di Momo on February 5.  SPA has learned that nightclub Bahia in the West Street is going to have a party before and after the Lighting Parade.  “To us, this is asking for trouble”, says SPA.   

In her letter, SPA also refers to the irregularities during the turn of the year, when Oduber has given the horeca-sector permission to stay open till 06:00.  The police station in Oranjestad had to turn out at numerous occasions for stabbings, robberies, collisions, and reporting.

SPA also quotes the Torchlight Parade as an example, even thought the parade itself went very smooth.  The union is outraged though about the incidents after the parade.  The union blames this on the fact that many people stayed in town because the horeca-places stayed open till 04:00.  A total of 10 to 20 surveillants were present in the area where nightclub Bahia and Royal Plaza are and because of this, other districts were without police surveillance.     

CapsLock - welcome to the forum!

To clarify in case anyone is wondering, CapsLock is speaking of Kelly and Castillo.  :wink:

God Bless you buddy!!  Please let the entire crew know how much we apprecitate everything they are doing, the sacrifices they have made, and that they are in our prayers.

For those who don't read the front page of SM, CapsLock is very familiar with Aruba and has spent a great deal of time researching scenerios in this case.  He's put together alot of information that has been sent to Beth.

He's done some great work!  

That makes 3 of us :) I don't think any of us can move on till Natalee is home and justice is served,and we havent broke a seat yet either :wink: We will be in Boston in a month and NY the following month letting everyone know what the Van Der Sloots and the Aruban Govt did to Natalee and her Family. If you live in the northeast I promise you that attending one of these events will be something you will never forget. I know for me the last show was worth every second! If you are interested in attending please contact justicefornatalee@gmail.com

I have the feeling it's not only Paulus that is sweating about this ocean search but the Aruban Cover Up team as well led by Rudy Croes. These are the people that would be hurt if Paul Van Der Sloot told more like he stated. Sadly I believe they all know where Natalee is and probably have been monitoring the Persistence. I believe that the Persistence is close and that is the main reason why those two loonies were allowed to hold that press conference and televised on TV,Radio and the newspapers. I feel more confident that ever that the Persistence is going to bring Natalee home!

Robots!!  Way to go!!  ::MonkeyCool::

It's amazing what one person can do when they set their mind to the task.

Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyCool::

Welcome Capslock!

Welcome Capslock!

Some people will do anything for money and those two sold there souls to the devil. When this is all said and done charma will pay those two a visit  :wink:

Dr. Hodges has the photos of his recent Aruba trip on his website now:

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Howdy CapsLock.

Prayers for the sailboat Michelle that is adrift with 6 people on board.

Welcome to the forum, Capslock.  I have read your posts on the front page, and look forward to your contributions.

With regard to the two wackadoos on Aruban TV, I'm sure that our Native American Ancestors are just too proud to speak at this moment.


Helen Back

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=30&limit=9&limitstart=9 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=30&limit=9&limitstart=9)

01/17/2008

Link is to the Local section of Diario.



Online Pap translation:

journalist mericano cu is work at aruba, owing to help tapa berdad, in caso of natalee holloway

thursday, 17 january 2008

according kelly castillo y dan young of guided light.

oranjestad(aan): during one encuentro cu two person cu is work in world spiritual, cu was close of the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway, kendenan owing to give various informacion tocante of berdadnan in the caso here cu not was conoci, owing to tell cu have one person cu was know more of the desaparicion of natalee holloway, that owing to worde asesina.

they does not owing to give more detaye still, think on they seguridad. dan young y kelly castillo owing to follow tell cu they wanted for her berdadnan in the caso here leave.

they tell cu they owing to worde ofreci much coin for her material cu they have relaciona cu thing they owing to trece fast, but they not did take this.

they owing to stop cu they business for the time being, immidiately for trece more claridad on the caso here, for her berdad leave can end.

young y castillo owing to tell cu one journalist mericano cu is work at aruba, know more of the berdad cu the beth y jug twitty was try tapa.

the journalist here owing to coi some articulo also of young y castillo, according young y the not owing to give they back.

this for try tapa cierto cosnan. was have nombernan in the informacion here y the muher here owing to lie tocante of this.

past owing to till even lie minister briesen.

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Online Pap translation:

beth twitty know cu natalee was bibo simannan after of 30 of half

thursday, 17 january 2008

abuse sexual at home, owing to place cu the does not owing to bay back.

oranjestad(aan): diaranzon morning did take lugar one conferencia of prensa relaciona cu desaparicion of natalee holloway.

the conferencia owing to worde give for two mericano, dan young y kelly castillo, kendenan is hendenan cu is work in world spiritual.
sinembargo they not owing to menciona cu the informacion cu they owing to come cune, they owing to achieve atravez of they don.
dan young owing to cuminza at tell cu some year happen they owing to worde acerca for beth twitty, after cu natalee owing to desaparece y cu none person was know this.
this was of 4 trip cu they owing to come aruba.

according young, the berdad have to leave now y thing beth twitty owing to tell for of principio do not so.
past owing to tell cu they have all evidencia for comproba this.
according young, beth know cu they're at aruba for divulga the berdad.

the so calling “timeline”, cu beth is talk of dje is much important for thing is joran y the another sospechosonan.
this according young, that owing to follow tell cu beth know cu natalee not was wanted return his cas.
beth was know also cu natalee was bibo simannan after cu supuestamente the will lose his life.

in his book y on various declaration of policy, beth owing to lie cu past owing to arrive aruba 11 of night on day 30 of half.
past owing to arrive aruba 7:45 of night, because past owing to achieve one tip, cu natalee was think of not go back back cas.
according young, past owing to spend his coin immidiately for help aruba y the three child hombernan acusa in the caso here.

sabiendo cu natalee was bibo, beth was believe cu joran was have natalee scondi, because natalee was coriendo for her abuse sexual cu was sosode at home.
madam twitty the time ey owing to ask joran y his family for haci one “lie detector test”.
this according young, that owing to follow bisa: “beth we have pity of haci this, but you y jug twitty have to take one lie detector test, because you was know, cu this not was first trip cu natalee owing to bay for of cas”.

“bo have to is above-board cu everybody y pay the netherlands y aruba back all the coin cu they owing to spend in the caso aki”.
“ are you on oprah today y the time line in do you book do not cuadra cu realidad”.
this according young that owing to tell cu the have beth graba on tape hour cu past owing to worde confronta cu the mature cu past owing to arrive aruba 7:45, while cu past owing to tell cu was 11 or.

hour cu beth owing to worde confronta cu this, past owing to bisa: “mi do not worry, because is 1 year y mey pasa”.

beth will owing to tell tambe: “ do not importami cu that natalee was, my immidiately wanted for his curpa worde achieve, because my know cu the is dead.
according young, hour past owing to tell beth cu past owing to graba the conversacion, beth owing to achieve fright.
past owing to follow tell cu julie renfro, karen jansen y another hendenan owing to listen the grabacion here y owing to arrive instant for merca achieve know cu the poster of cual beth owing to tell in his book cu is the first poster cu past owing to saca, do not the first poster.

the first poster not was talk of secuestro or algo can style. “ do you was know y was sit drink wine, while cu everybody at merca was feel pity dibo”. important is for clean name of joran, satish y deepak.

daily paper owing to ask about young if natalee is bibo or dead y past owing to tell cu beth self one year y mey happen owing to tell cu the know cu his child is dead y cu the immidiately wanted his curpa.

daily paper owing to ask about young con the can know cu the 3 sospechosonan aboriginal do not esnan

* * *


Online Pap translation:

dan young is insisti: jug twitty is father of the baby cu natalee will owing to achieve

thursday, 17 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): diaranzon morning did take lugar one conferencia of prensa relaciona cu desaparicion of natalee holloway. the conferencia owing to worde give for two mericano, dan young y kelly castillo, kendenan is hendenan cu is work in world spiritual.

during one encuentro of prensa cu two person cu is work in world spiritual, cu was much close of the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway, prensa owing to ask about dan young y kelly castillo, kico genuinely owing to happen cu the young mericano.

according young, the week of his desaparicion, natalee owing to work one plan, because the was know cu his mother y father was biniendo for aruba.

young owing to follow tell cu at dado instant at 2006, they owing to take away police at one lugar without employ one map.
hour polisnan owing to ripara algo remarcable, they mouth owing to stay open y one of the agentenan policial d.j owing to tell cu the will send agentenan cu cachonan special the next morning trempan, but this never owing to sosode.

young owing to follow tell also cu the have name of various person cu was cu natalee y name of various caya where the was is.

past owing to tell cu natalee owing to abide one overdose in hand of another hendenan cu do not joran, satish or deepak.

according young, if this not was berdad, the not will can know all name y datonan.

young owing to splica cu the is reconoce all cos in the caso here, because hour the was more young, the also owing to bay for of cas.

according young, is berdad cu joran owing to let natalee on beach, but after another hendenan owing to come across natalee y owing to become amigo of dje. they owing to yude sconde in area of san nicolas.

according young, is practicamente impossible for think cu one boy of 17 year as joran, can is so good of owing to cause one enigma internacional, after of cual past owing to work his examen facilmente.

young owing to tell cu hour for casualidad past owing to come across cu paul y anita van der sloot, past owing to place hand on pecho of paul y owing to bise: “mi know cu do you son not owing to make nada” y paul y anita owing to cuminza cry.
prensa owing to ask about young of con beth owing to lie.

according young, past owing to lie for tapa thing genuinely was sosode in the family at home.
not was first trip cu natalee owing to bay for of cas.

joran self owing to arrive of tell cu natalee owing to bise cu beth is one mother “hitler”.

young is ask about his self dicon none person owing to interoga debidamente the children cu was cu natalee at aruba, neither the piloto of the jet priva cu owing to come cu owing to take away beth for aruba.

beth wanted place the atencion on joran y one supuesto island cu not owing to make sufficient, for less the atencion for of his person y the situation at home.

beth owing to believe cu anita y paul van der sloot at first instancia also was help sconde natalee.
young owing to follow tell also cu have one person female of posicion high cu do not on aruba more, cu have much informacion on the asunto here.

the is at merca y was know assure cu natalee was bibo.
the caso here owing to become one “cover up” big.

young owing to follow tell cu beth y jug is much spanta cu the berdad will leave.
young owing to reta jug y beth for comproba cu they not have razon.

according young the is dispuesto for place his reputacion y trabao on cord. young owing to tell cu beth y specialmente jug have fright for her berdad leave, because the is father of the baby cu natalee will owing to achieve.

daily paper owing to ask about young also name of some of the hendenan cu was know the berdad for thing is desaparicion of natalee y past owing to menciona marian ann smith y one such minard.

young owing to show prensa also the documento of inmigracion, cu owing to show claramente cu beth owing to arrive aruba 7:45 of night y not 11’or as beth owing to tell.

daily paper owing to ask about young y castillo for menciona some name of hendenan local cu know of the caso here y young owing to tell cu one of they're close at kia y cu past owing to talk cu dolfi richardson on this y also another autoridadnan.

daily paper owing to ask about young dicon the is believe cu esnan cu was cu natalee, not owing to come cune for they achieve the coin of recompensa.

young owing to splica cu door cu the hendenan owing to look at kico joran, deepak y satish owing to happen inside y the mature cu the child muher at dado instant owing to die of one overdose, is sufficient motibo for they not come fast.

despite of all cos cu owing to wordo treci fast for young y castillo, daily paper is stay stop on his sharp of view, cu is joran, satish y deepak is esnan cu genuinely know kico owing to sosode cu natalee holloway.

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God forgive me for being so pessimistic, but this case has caused it. I do hope that the persistence wasn't called off because they were in the vacinity where Natalee could be found.

So, Does anybody have any idea what the news articles above say? Help!

It's all about the crackpots Kelly and Castillo and their press conference yesterday. 

CBB I thought the same thing....Are they trying to lure them away....of course I'm sure that the crew has coordinates of where they were and can return to the same spot. MO

Posted by Lazlo at RU regarding Rudy Croes press conference about Kelly and Castillo:

Lazlo wrote:

Rudy Croes jumped in to stop the press from this insanity

Unlike claimed before Rudy Croes did not say the "evidence" the Young&Castillo couple had against the family was valid, he called the media soon as he learned these two ppl telling these stories, claiming they had already been telling their stories to the OM last June.

He urged anyone in the Press to be extremely carefull, because what these ppl (Young&Castillo) were saying publicly, we cannot afford that, it may result in a devastating reaction from the American Press, so he pleaded to all involved in the Press please be extremely carefull and not let these ppl throw around stories as they did.

That is what Rudy Croes said. (as far as I can translate it)

It's a preremptive strike.  I think something is on the horizon, could have to do with litigation.

Quote your own posts and make corrections and then submit. 

Private Detectives? LMAO!!

Oh man, this is getting to be so difficult.  I'm trying so hard to believe that there are decent people on Aruba.  I'm trying so hard not to generalize about people, and continue to believe that the whole entire population is not reflected in the the actions of a group of slimeballs.

But when I read and hear what is being perpetuated through the media on Aruba, the ridiculous accusations and venomous strikes against Natalee, Jug, Beth, and other friends and family, it rocks my faith.  I'm standing strong with the family, and will be here with them through thick and thin.  I try to follow Beth and Dave's lead in believing that there are some on Aruba who don't believe or buy into all this BS.

But it's getting to be more difficult for me.  I have never seen such animosity toward a family who are crime victims.

I just can't fathom it.  I can't comprehend it.  Where does this come from?  How do human hearts become so blackened? 

I shouldn't be surprised......but from time to time, I am.

Now I've made myself sad.  Goodnight monkeys.

Now THIS is a psychic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgaAZqnkJCA

Young and Castillo better be careful looks like Rudy might not like them to much.....they might disappear..LOL

What I find wrong with this way of thinking, however, is that all of the people from Aruba who posted on these boards originally, who were empathetic with Beth's plight, later turned on her, e.g., Maria, on RWV, who laughing mocked everyone who had any degree of compassion for Beth later, but in the beginning, she was whole-heartedly in Beth's corner.  I am sure her business must have been threatened, but that is no excuse.  All she had to do was just not discuss it further and silently do what she could to change the thinking in Aruba, by being a decent person, which I always considered her until she joined the "paid" AHATA crowd.  Perhaps it was because her real estate value was sinking.  Nonetheless, decent people do not change their hearts from right to wrong.  They change others' wrong hearts with their kindness to their fellowman.  If the Arubans had been about helping Beth, there would have been an arrest of the 2VDS and K2 immediately and by June 11, 2005, Natalee's body would have been in Birmingham.  There are plenty of people on Aruba who know what happened, perhaps not every detail like Paulus and Joran, but there are plenty who know enough to have lent Beth a helping hand and even those who did not know, had no right to turn against her because she wanted her child's remains.  Off my soapbox.

Remember when Tim's team was digging near the Fisherman's Hut and someone approached a searcher and told them there was a shallow grave on the other side of the island? They never did find the man again or find out his name, but it halted the search they were doing. That has always been very suspicious to me.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

"... it may result in a devastating reaction from the American Press ..."

Rudy's got THAT right.

I am always amazed at the class and grace with which Beth carries herself.

I just cannot comprehend why anyone would want to say nasty things about her.

Beth = Class Act
Haters = Trash Acts

How does these character of these people who have already given a month of their lives compare to the character of anyone we have met in Aruba, save Jossy.

She reminds me of Tia Dalma from Pirates of the Caribbean.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Have been fortunate enough to have seen some of the posts that I am indeed very curious.  Hope someday to be able to read the works.  Thanks so much for your dedication Capslockwizard & always to you as well Klaas.

Does the American press have ahold of it?

Hey Justice For Natalee! Happy Valentine's Day!

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LOL    ::MonkeyCool::

OT.. and getting to bed.. My daughter BEGGED me to go to a psychic with her last Saurday when I was done working. This lady freaked me out.  :shock: We were only even sitting in the waiting room before we went in around other people.. and she walks up to me . and says.. HONEY.. you are going to be just fine.  Quit stressing over it all.  :shock:
  I have not been to one in years.. and I am prety much quiet when I have a reading done. Wanna see how SPOT ON they are.  lol   Well this one WAS. and since last week.. things have happend she said would.   :shock: :shock:
 Even something about my son I didn't know. and he calls me from his GF's house earlier tonight.. and  says to me someting the woman said he would.. I almost fell over.  I dont base my life on readings.. but THIS lady was awesome. I left there with a good feeling.. my daughter liked her reading.. we sat in together. and wrote down what she said for one another.. I went first. Poor lady.. I honestly though her head would spin around like the excorsist when she had to do mine.  LOL   ::MonkeyLaugh:: She talked to me wayyyyyyyyy longer then she did my daughter.. Of course my kid says when we leave... no fair mom.. she talked to you alot longer..  LOL I said I have alot more to deal with then you do !  I enjoyed it actually.. :) I just have to be careful on March 6th.. only bad news I got was I was gonna get a 130.00 speeding ticket that day..  :shock: :shock: rest was ALL good and starting to happen.  Hmmmmmmmmm
     Sorry for OT..
Kyle  TY for the post.. Bless you all and be safe ! 
And Kudos to CharlieRat as well..... <hes my Bf dont yah know?   :cool:>
 Hope everyone is doing well...   !

You stay right there on that soapbox, missy.  I swear it's getting harder and harder for me to believe there is one decent person on that place other than Jossy.  The last couple of days have been so tough nad just sickening.

You're right, when there are true heroes like the search team on the Persistence, and we have to look at and read such despicable treatment of a crime victim and her family, it's hard to understand the Aruban people.

Is there not one decent person willing to stand up against this madness.  I swear, if I lived in Aruba, I would rather take a bullet from a mobster, than live a life on an island of people with no scruples.

You stay on your soapbox, Tyler.  They're wearing me down fast.

Good to see you, Angie! If you're turning in, sleep well!

Now this gal I like!  Thanks, CBB.

Nite all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgaAZqnkJCA

I think Sally is the only real psychic involved in this case.  She's got his number.  He was the one,  he was the only one who killed Natalee, he was there by himself and his parents need to do something before this anger is again unleashed, and it could be against one of them or worse, their other children.

Nite Helen! Sweet Dreams!

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She has held herself together with far more class than I fear I could. Honestly, I'd have toyed with the idea of hiring a hit man who would first extract some answers.

I would like to add to *******'s remark:

<b><green>New York and New England monkeys, we are counting on you!
<green/><b/>

The time you give--you will be rewarded tenfold by the positive experience of
being at these events and talking to people about Natalee.

Please try to make it--you will be so glad that you did!
Everyone who has attended can vouch for the strong sense of satisfaction
that comes from participating.

 :)  Great to see you as wel CBB and others and new folks. I do try an keep caught up reading, !  I just have some rotten isomnia lately. Sucks ! 

Ahhhhh, much better  

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Goodnight ! 
 Cute moneky emoticons  LOL   ::MonkeyTongue::
Work beckons me in the early AM...    ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

 OMG  ROFLMAO  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Night Klaas.. HUGS ! 

Nite Angie

"But we’d like to forget and move on."

Guess again.

What's going on with the august Minister of Justice Rudy Croes?  Has he validated this information and if so, then why is he back-pedaling and trying to suddenly distance himself from this new smear campaign?

He knew from the start the probability of a lawsuit for this outrageous lying he has supported so I wonder why he got scared at the last minute? 

I think she has a good grasp on the events as they happened.  KISS theory works for me, is the only one that does, come to think of it.

Joran is looking more like a bifron all the time, too.  At least what I think out would look like. 

There is a vast difference in someone asking Beth what she thinks happened to her daughter and her replying and these fake psychics.  They are making these wild accusations as facts and claim to be able to prove them with their fake documents and fake statements they claim given to them by people who completely deny saying any such thing.

I don't see the importance of the time Beth arrived in Aruba nor of her saying she just wanted her daughter back to these fruitcakes.  Their trying to make something out of nothing and diminish the impact her appearance on Oprah is going to have.  I hope Beth's book also exeriences a surge in sales from that program so people will learn even more about what happened.

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For any who missed it earlier, here is the link to Adam Housley's blog covering Chavez involvement with the drug cartels of South America and how he is transporting drugs northward and has become the superhighway for almost all drugs heading north.  That would be the same Chavez located just 16 miles off the Aruban coast so can there be any doubt as to whose free port much of this goes to?  He is even using oil barges and freighters, airlines, boats and any method at all to move the drugs northward to the U.S. and European markets.  That's a lot of money to be laundered, too.

Just something to keep in the back of ones mind with regard to the behavior of the officials in Aruba.

http://housley.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/17/hugo-and-the-cartels/#more-441

Hi Anna:

Another one of those things that goes hmmmmmmmmm in the night.  Maybe he also has an evil twin.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyEek::

Goodnight everyone.  TGIF ::MonkeyDance::

Nite TM, was it something I said?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Bearly,
Well, I understand my twin has been known to claim that I'm really the Evil One but I know that can't be right!  LOL!  Horrible to think there could be two Rudy Croes so maybe he just has a split personality and doesn't even remember that not 24 hours ago he was validating the information these two kooks are trying to sell.

I am shocked to see in printed in the newspapers, however.  I didn't think they would go that far with it for some reason. Maybe because it is unsubstantiated lies for one thing.   Good to get it all on record, I suppose.  Will make suing the pants off those two even easier.  Rudy and/or the Aruban Government as well. 

This was in the works before the Joran show so maybe it was to counter Oprah?  I don't think many in MSM US press will pick up on this as it is too over the top for them to carry.  At least I hope it is.

Just sickening to see it is actually in print now, however.  That's a far cry from blog rumors, IMO.

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Anna, I also like your names.  Although I like FrozenBrokenHair, I also like HairdresserRunsWithScissors.

 ::MonkeyCool::

No way, bearlyhere!  Wish I could stay here all night and still function at work but I'm getting too old for that I guess.  So off to monkey bunkey I must go!  Keep the cage rockin', I'll catch up tomorrow. ::MonkeyCool::

I was thinking the same thing myself.  How can you make a story like that up with absolutely nothing to go on? 

There goes the rest of their dollars. 

Even BlindHairdresserRunsWithScirrors might apply to that Kelly person's coif.  She is a real mess.  Note they are also claiming great poverty I suppose as a way to discourage suits for what they say.  But I'd have to say Jug Twitty would have a very good one and there is nothing to prevent a judgment against any future earnings these two might have from their house smudging activities.

Hard to believe a Minister of Justice of any country would be validating the claims of house smudgers.  Maybe they smudged Rudy's domicile for free or something.

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Work--that nasty 4 letter word.  I think Klaas will have to delete it.

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