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I guess there is one thing that We can All agree on is that Aruba Sucks! ::MonkeyDance::

Anna wrote:

So basically, it was vd Stratten who nixed that first poster.  Some were writing "Ask Joran vd Sloot" across the bottom and posting at or near his school also.  Friends of Jug writing that across bottom may have been what first caught their attention because you know Anita couldn't have such a thing happening where she worked and Sporter attended school.

When this first came out, my memory is, that Jug's friends hung up the posters and Joran's schoolmates wrote "ask Joran" on the posters.

That is exactly as I remember it Buckeye.

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Today's Birmingham News had a list of this year's debutantes.
The big ball is Friday night.
Many of the girls are Natalee's friends.  It made me sad.

I saw that...sad...

From AM digital June 4, 2005

Although the police
advised the family not to
offer a reward and not to
use the word “kidnapping”,
a flyer was distributed
yesterday stating the Natalee
was kidnapped and
offering the above
mentioned reward.
Authorities
decided to comb the
above mentioned area
after interrogating
the three young men
that were last seen
with Natalee. The
three young men
declared that the took
Natalee to that area,
had sex with her, and
then dropped her at the
Holiday Inn Resort

http://web.archive.org/web/20060502162954/www.voiceofalabama.com/amAruba.pdf


Takes awhile to load.  Hope Dr. Phill has this one.

Me2 :(

From the same paper:
Aruba Prime Minister statement on disappeared teenager
<snip>
Aruba has very strong ties to the
United States, over half a million
visitors came from the USA last year.
We will not tolerate any activities that
harm our American friends or tarnishes
Aruba’s reputation.

<snip>

I think this is an odd thing to say at a time like that.

That is sad..... :sad:

http://www.al.com/living/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/living/1201598186219820.xml&coll=2

Bearlyhere

I agree.  The family told not to hang the posters and Oduber defending the island...all on June 4th.

I think about it like this, if someone was in my house and something happened to them, I would never say "I want to make sure to save my reputation."  I would feel so badly about what happened to that person and try to help in any way I could.  I know all that other stuff is in there, but that comment seems to negate it all.

This is one thing I don't understand about the VDS'.  Why didn't they go out and help?  Why was CYA the only action they took?

IMO because they knew Natalee could not be found

I agree. 

I think the CYA part was the biggest part of their job.  Why so much ass to cover if you are innocent?

I agree. 

I think the CYA part was the biggest part of their job.  Why so much ass to cover if you are innocent?

Well because they are so damn stupid???

I think because the are so damn guilty!

Nothing bad can ever happen to a tourist or Aruba's image and they have never swayed from that thinking. If Al Capone had run Aruba,I bet it would run similar to todays Aruban Govt. Probably more murders but nothing near the stupidity and lies the MEP has told since 2005. Every decision they have made in Natalee's case has had the Aruban Tourism Authority playing a major role and that is BS! It has never been about justice or the truth,it is all about there precious tourism and public image. Murder's happen everywhere in the world to Americans except in Aruba,where they vanish into thin air or they kill themselves. Is there another country in the world that would spend millions covering up a murder of a teenager and making up lies to slander her and her family?

Very, very sad.  My heart goes out to Beth and Dave on yet another life event they were robbed of.  That Beth gets her head off the pillow every day is admirable, that she is motivated enough to speak to people so that it does not happen to them, their sons, or their daughters is above and beyond what anyone is asked to do. 

God bless you, Beth.

I think about it like this, if someone was in my house and something happened to them, I would never say "I want to make sure to save my reputation."  I would feel so badly about what happened to that person and try to help in any way I could.  I know all that other stuff is in there, but that comment seems to negate it all.

This is one thing I don't understand about the VDS'.  Why didn't they go out and help?  Why was CYA the only action they took?

HE WENT TO SEARCH FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT NOT FOR  NATALEE.....

What was it Caps that He went to search for?

What was it Caps that He went to search for?

am i skerrrrrrrrrring everyone ??

am i skerrrrrrrrrring everyone ??

Follow along  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Then....

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Then...

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The evidence....  ::MonkeyCool::

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am i skerrrrrrrrrring everyone ??

Those punks could never skeer me.

Not me Robots, I love it....You say things that I think but am usually too modest to post!

Especially about J. Taco, he's just like a pea in a pod with those perverts! ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


That is hilarious!  Not only does it say who made the poster but what are the odds both Glenda and Julia would misspell the same word???

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi, Robots!
 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


That is hilarious!  Not only does it say who made the poster but what are the odds both Glenda and Julia would misspell the same word???

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi, Robots!
 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


That is hilarious!  Not only does it say who made the poster but what are the odds both Glenda and Julia would misspell the same word???

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi, Robots!
 ::MonkeyCool::

Why, thank you, Robots!  I like hats.  And note my bag matches my legwarmers?  They look like Uggs, too.

We are having sustained winds of 40 mph with gusts up to 58 mph so if I disappear, not to worry, I just got blown away, haha, or my electrical power lines did.

.

Glenda has slipped up regarding her identity on many occasions.  ::MonkeyWink::  More likely some time after the "normal" coctail hour. 

I bet that's not Julia's CEL number any more!  Now if only someone would trace that old number I do believe we would know the origin of the poster even better.

Just imagine what those two did with any tips phoned in from those who saw this poster!  Straight to AHATA would be my first guess.

.

Yes, Klaas, I always like it when she starts out talking about what Julia did and by the end of the post has changed to "I" and forgotten all about being Julia.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

So sad how some of they try to rationalize what she just did lying to them like that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder if there is any chance van der Stratten was in on this with Julia to intercept any information being relayed to what people might think was the family.  Did he tell Julia to so this or did she just do this all on her own to prevent the family from getting any information?

Also this was only about the third day?  Which means the fix was in from the start.  There was no turning on the family because of anything the family said or did--they were deceiving them with fake help right from the get go.

Just as we thought all along.  That's why I don't believe any of the very early posts, there never was a time of support for the family that later changed.  They were lied to right from the start.

MO

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Why, thank you, Robots!  I like hats.  And note my bag matches my legwarmers?  They look like Uggs, too.

We are having sustained winds of 40 mph with gusts up to 58 mph so if I disappear, not to worry, I just got blown away, haha, or my electrical power lines did.
.

Hi everyone,




Was Peter R. de Vries arrested ?

Hi everyone,

Was Peter R. de Vries arrested

Hi everyone,




Was Peter R. de Vries arrested ?

From the same paper:
Aruba Prime Minister statement on disappeared teenager
<snip>
Aruba has very strong ties to the
United States, over half a million
visitors came from the USA last year.
We will not tolerate any activities that
harm our American friends or tarnishes
Aruba’s reputation.

I think this is an odd thing to say at a time like that.

Silverfox,

I must say - you are most dashing in your valentine avatar!  Very dapper indeed!

If you are referring to a comment made by MF at RU, yes DeVries was arrested in the NL having nothing to do with the NH case and having everything to do with a "power play" with the local police that DeVries hasn't been too kind to.

It was no big deal.  Kindof like being arrested for disorderly conduct.  More for show.

Edited to add:  I think it was in 2006

Thank You Klaas for clearing that up..... ::MonkeyWink::

Glenda has slipped up regarding her identity on many occasions.  ::MonkeyWink::  More likely some time after the "normal" coctail hour. 

It must be soooooo difficult to keep remembering which one of all those people that live in her head is talking/posting at any given time.

I think about it like this, if someone was in my house and something happened to them, I would never say "I want to make sure to save my reputation."  I would feel so badly about what happened to that person and try to help in any way I could.  I know all that other stuff is in there, but that comment seems to negate it all.

This is one thing I don't understand about the VDS'.  Why didn't they go out and help?  Why was CYA the only action they took?

I bet that's not Julia's CEL number any more!  Now if only someone would trace that old number I do believe we would know the origin of the poster even better.

Just imagine what those two did with any tips phoned in from those who saw this poster!  Straight to AHATA would be my first guess.

.

Why go search if the person is in your house with you or where you placed them? For them there was no search, they knew where she was.

Hi PI

I wasn't talking about searching, but about helping.  IOW when someone is in distress, I would be thinking more about them then I would be thinking about me.

I haven't lost anyone in my house....yet!

and if you had "lost" someone in your house, would you lie to the searchers about where you last saw her?
dennisintn

Hi PI

I wasn't talking about searching, but about helping.  IOW when someone is in distress, I would be thinking more about them then I would be thinking about me.

I haven't lost anyone in my house....yet!

What is really scary is how this is being touted as the "model" for how to handle a crisis of this nature by the tourism industry in the region.

Now what does that say about the entire area?

.

It would never enter my mind.  I also wouldn't be rushing around trying to cover up.

...hmmm, I wonder if that's what that huge pair of undies on the beach was about, operation CYA.  :smt115 :smt017

You said huge pair? Those must be Anita's::)))))))))) I understand she wears udder roos, see thru as her blouses are!!!!!!!!

What is really scary is how this is being touted as the "model" for how to handle a crisis of this nature by the tourism industry in the region.

Now what does that say about the entire area?

.

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have to watch this first one through to the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=579nJGBRfsI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4hLmKZaNw&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMMGjzW_5M&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ8vZDMMsLY&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVgVWwcl3s&feature=user

Brilliant idea!

Polis a stroba choller di bende droga cu turista       

Wednesday, 30 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diamars atardi un unidad alerto di Polis tabata pasando riba Avenida Alo Tromp y yegando na e cruzada cu Weststraat, a bin mira un pareha turista net dilanti un Bar eynan, ta combersando y haciendo cosnan raro cu un Choller.

Polis no a vacila, y mesora a para banda di nan pa check kico ta pasando. E dama turista cu a ripara ki ta pasando, a dicidi na aleha.

Pero autoridad a papia cu e Choller y e turista, y mesora a compronde cu ta un ‘transaccion’ ta apunto di tuma lugar.

Polis sa cu tin algun turista ta bin Aruba y como cu nan ta adicto na droga, nan ta busca e porkeria cueste loke cueste pa cumpra pa asina nan dal nan curpa cune durante nan vakantie.

Autoridad a splica e turista claramente den ki problema e por haye na Aruba, si acaso el a cumpra esaki. Nan a dune un bon scual y a bise pa e aleha di e lugar.

Despues Polis a dirigi atencion na e Choller, y el tambe a hala su atencion. Ora cu a bay over pa listre, nan a bin haya varios paki chikito conteniendo droga. Su dilanti mes, Polis a destrui e pakinan chikito aki, y nan a sali cay riba caretera.

I understand that Aruba briefly adopted the tourism slogan,








The only thing missing in Aruba is YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I understand that Aruba briefly adopted the tourism slogan,








The only thing missing in Aruba is YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Has this been posted yet?  If so, just delete.  I am NOT posting this to validate any phone calls but rather to show how the facts change as Glenda/Julia/"I" go along.  I dont have a link to where on Scrux it was posted as this copy came from RU where it may be that they are finally beginning to notice that they are told different things at different times by this individual whom they continue to grovel to:


From Scrux

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: "Glenda" Postings: C. Croes and Phone Call

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02-15-2006
That is the quote "Are you calling home" and then hang up! Charles heard it 3 times and said that the the voice sounded young and spoke like American. J2K phones were all checked and there were no calls made from any of their phones to Morris.

02-15-2006
"Are you calling home?" then the line was dropped, like cut off.

02-15-2006
I've been around since May 31st and I have no idea where "I don't know these people?" came from. It sounds like it was a way to make it sound like Natalee was with people she didn't know. Because the phone message that Charles listened to, the male voice was calm and obviously familiar with "home". If it had been Joran -- "Who are you calling?" A kidnapper -- "What are you doing!" In an angry voice and a scuffle for the phone and some kind of female noise from Natalee.

But "Are you calling home?" then the dial hungup -- no scuffle or delay.

02-15-2006
Yes, and according to Beth, this call had nada to do with Natalee. Just a mis-dialed call --- that was never officially reported to the police as even being made, but it was important enough to have Croes listen to it.

02-15-2006
(responding to question: Why meet at a dark Texaco station instead of meeting at the hotel?)
When the Posse arrived (10pm), they explained to the ground crew where the Private Planes land that one of the kids received a phone message and they think it was from Natalee. The ground crew has a close relationship with Croes to be able to get rental phones for VIPs, so the ground crew called him and passed the phone to Beth who explained Natalee's character and that she was missing and her best friend received a strange call and if he could help them locate what phone it came from. Charles lives close to exactly the same distance from the Texaco as the airport, so it was a matter of location, distance and timing that Charles chose the Gas Station. The HI would have been another 2 miles away.  
02-15-2006
Charles did not rent any phones to any of the MBKids. He checked.

02-15-2006
Yes, that is what happened! First he called and spoke to Morris who was, according to Charles, sobbing. He spoke to Morris for 10 or 15 minutes and then called back to listen to the message 3 times.

02-15-2006
Beth gave him the number in the parking lot of the Texaco. Charles had Moris go to the refrigerator and get a glass of water to calm down and concentrate while Charles asked him lots of questions.

Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:18 pm
(responding to question why would Natalee call William Morris)
I was told that William was Natalee's closest friend!

Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:14 am
(referring to statement in DeSouza letter that Charles Croes introduced himself as a clairvoyant)
I believe this was HMI method of discrediting / desposal of somebody who who did not agree with them. I'll bet this letter was written right after Charles Croes spoke to Greta. I believe Charles went into great detail with Greta his discussion with William who claimed to have received a phone call from Natalee at 3 am....

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:26 am
Yeah, and then FEB's bo William gets a call from Natalee while she was being kidnapped by J2K. Did I mention 4am phone call... Time is also interesting.

Could FEB and William know something???

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am
Damn Diamond you are right! Charles and Alberto drove in the direction of the lighthouse ending up at Arashi -- the exact location in Deepak's statement. William gave Charles the impression that he thought Natalee had been taken to the lighthouse and then kidnapped. Why did William set the stage for Kidnapping on the 30th of May. William told Charles he had a missed call from Natalee at 4am -- the same time that Beth tried to pin on Paulus picking Joran and Natalee up at the McDonalds.

One more thing that comes to mind: If Natalee was the most responsible of her class, always on time, Virgin, etc... Why didn't these kids freak out right away and start searching for her - why did they leave the searching in the hands of strangers of another country? -- could it be that only a handful of kids even knew that she was missing and they kept it hush until everyone had departed the gateway?

Back to the Original Perpetrators: With that statement repeated over and over, it seems that Beth really knows what happened to Natalee and that is a suttle warning to the next set of Perpetrators. Beth is very calculating, she warned Julia on July 10th about the Boycott she would launch in September. Shocked

Doesn't Dave wonder about stuff like this, or does he still think the landfill witness, the gardener, and Shango are credible?

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:42 am
There is no actual proof that it was Natalee that called, William thought Natalee had tried to call him from the kidnapper's phone and when she got caught, the phone hung up. The call does exist, there is no female voice, and the ALE was not told about this call until months after Natalee had been missing.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:25 am
I'm pretty sure that Charles was not questioned by the ALE until after Joran was released!!! The same goes for Eric Williams.

Beth told everyone that a psychic by the name of Charles helped her find Joran's house. Shocked She started discrediting him from the get-go.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:38 pm
responding to question: "So who did the call come from? Or has 15 months not been enough time for ALE to check the phone records.")
Shizaru I don't know, the ALE tried to get the records from phones of interest to no avail. It is my understanding that the ALE requested the FBI to help with this, but not until the fall.

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:10 pm
Charles Croes did not lie about this phone call. Beth told several people about the phone call from the kidnappers phone to Natalee's best friend William, when they didn't find Natalee in the first 48 hours of her kidnapping, they realized they couldn't use the Kidnapped Phone Call "Card" and turned Charles into a Clairvoyant to discredit him as he is still the only one besides the Twittys to have heard the call. Those who knew about it were warned not to talk about the phone call to William.

Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:30 pm
Charles found it strange that the young boy answered the phone so late at night and nobody else seemed to be around. No other voices, he refered to no other person being there. Charles sent the kid to the kitchen to get some water to calm himself down. Charles asked him if he had the water, the boy said he did, then Charles called him a liar and told him to go to the kitchen now. Then the boy (supposedly William) "then" went to the kitchen, opened the fridge, poured the water and drank it. Then after Charles was done speaking to the boy, he called back to the same phone # several times where no one answered so he could pen in the # that Beth gave him to hear the message that was left on the phone. The message was driving sounds and then a male voice "are you calling home?" hangup.

Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:51 am
And Byrd's Boyfriend William was the one to inform the Twittys that he received the desperate call from Natalee at 3am. According to Beth, Natalee must have taken the kidnapper's cel phone while they were driving around the lighthouse and dialed her best friend William's phone only to get his answering machine. When the Kidnapper saw that Natalee had his phone, he said sternly "Are you calling home?" The line was disconnected.

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:34 am
ViVi is hoping by inserting herself in the middle I will not answer. Very Happy

Now to your Question: Beth used the term Answering Machine not Voice Message. I always thought Beth was referring to William's cel phone voice message until recently someone brought up that maybe the at-home-alone-crying teenager it wasn't William, but Matt Holloway who spoke to Charles Croes. This theory (which seems like it would be easy to confirm or debunk from phone records) would explain several things:

1. The rumor that a message was left on the Twitty answering machine at 3am saying “I don’t know these people” to suggest kidnapping as “Are you calling Home?” doesn’t sound to threatening – more like a friend asking Natalee if she was calling home.

2. Charles listened to the message several times and he is sure the male voice said “Are you calling HOME?” At 3 am Twitty-time would be 4 am Aruba time, hence the false accusations of Paulus picking up Joran & Natalee at the Mc Donalds at 4 am suggesting that Natalee was in the car with Paulus & Joran.

3. This strange phone message could also explain Beth’s instant Kidnapping theory – because of the 3am phone call to her “HOME” phone. Also, Charles was called just a few minutes after the private plane had landed and he was asked to meet ASAP to evaluate where that phone call came from? And if he had rented any of the students a phone.

4. If the call was actually made to Natalee’s best friend William, when could Beth have found out about the call? William’s flight left at 3:01 and the flight time is 4 hours and 15 minutes, putting him at 7:16 pm as the soonest he could have turned his phone on to hear the messages. The posse had already departed from Alabama to Aruba so how could William have contacted Beth to tell her about the message?

What doesn't make sense is why the Twittys failed to tell the ALE about the phone call -- especially when asked why do you think your daughter was kidnapped? Do you have a lot of Money? Are you a political figure? Do you have any reason to think that your daughter has been kidnapped? Beth's answer, Well yes officer, she was a straight A Honor student who has never been late for anything in her life. She did not drink, smoke and she was a virgin and based on that, I know that she was kidnapped!
 

Bearlyhere

I agree.  The family told not to hang the posters and Oduber defending the island...all on June 4th.

If that is true it is downright sick IMO

Is that article saying that addicts go to Aruba to get drugs?.....they'd have a lot more drugs if they stayed home and got them locally....how stupid!

probably not as safely as you can buy them on aruba.  drugs are available even on the grounds and halls at holiday inn.  a.l.e. rarely hassles drug buyers from what i've heard and read.
dennisintn

dennisintn, I will go a step further and say what you have heard is entirely correct, if not understated. My stay at the Sonesta/Renaiisance was where it was pushed the most. People following us, pretty much begging us to buy drugs---any kind. For those unfamiliar with the area, it is tiny walk to C n C's. The pushers frequent the casino at that hotel, and were very friendly with the police, security, etc. C n C's has groups of "kids" outside and on the other side of the street at anytime making "runs" to the cub across the way(name leaves me, but on the corner where Iguana cafe was...

bc73 wrote;


........do you mean Mambo Jambo's?

Choose- a-Name is the bar that burned down, not sure if is rebuilt. The bouncer Pitbull, was the man found mutilated and burning at Quadriki Cave. He was apparently  a drug mule
in a transaction gone bad.

Has this been posted yet?  If so, just delete.  I am NOT posting this to validate any phone calls but rather to show how the facts change as Glenda/Julia/"I" go along.  I dont have a link to where on Scrux it was posted as this copy came from RU where it may be that they are finally beginning to notice that they are told different things at different times by this individual whom they continue to grovel to:


From Scrux

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: "Glenda" Postings: C. Croes and Phone Call

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

02-15-2006
That is the quote "Are you calling home" and then hang up! Charles heard it 3 times and said that the the voice sounded young and spoke like American. J2K phones were all checked and there were no calls made from any of their phones to Morris.

02-15-2006
"Are you calling home?" then the line was dropped, like cut off.

02-15-2006
I've been around since May 31st and I have no idea where "I don't know these people?" came from. It sounds like it was a way to make it sound like Natalee was with people she didn't know. Because the phone message that Charles listened to, the male voice was calm and obviously familiar with "home". If it had been Joran -- "Who are you calling?" A kidnapper -- "What are you doing!" In an angry voice and a scuffle for the phone and some kind of female noise from Natalee.

But "Are you calling home?" then the dial hungup -- no scuffle or delay.

02-15-2006
Yes, and according to Beth, this call had nada to do with Natalee. Just a mis-dialed call --- that was never officially reported to the police as even being made, but it was important enough to have Croes listen to it.

02-15-2006
(responding to question: Why meet at a dark Texaco station instead of meeting at the hotel?)
When the Posse arrived (10pm), they explained to the ground crew where the Private Planes land that one of the kids received a phone message and they think it was from Natalee. The ground crew has a close relationship with Croes to be able to get rental phones for VIPs, so the ground crew called him and passed the phone to Beth who explained Natalee's character and that she was missing and her best friend received a strange call and if he could help them locate what phone it came from. Charles lives close to exactly the same distance from the Texaco as the airport, so it was a matter of location, distance and timing that Charles chose the Gas Station. The HI would have been another 2 miles away.

02-15-2006
Charles did not rent any phones to any of the MBKids. He checked.

02-15-2006
Yes, that is what happened! First he called and spoke to Morris who was, according to Charles, sobbing. He spoke to Morris for 10 or 15 minutes and then called back to listen to the message 3 times.

02-15-2006
Beth gave him the number in the parking lot of the Texaco. Charles had Moris go to the refrigerator and get a glass of water to calm down and concentrate while Charles asked him lots of questions.

Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:18 pm
(responding to question why would Natalee call William Morris)
I was told that William was Natalee's closest friend!

Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:14 am
(referring to statement in DeSouza letter that Charles Croes introduced himself as a clairvoyant)
I believe this was HMI method of discrediting / desposal of somebody who who did not agree with them. I'll bet this letter was written right after Charles Croes spoke to Greta. I believe Charles went into great detail with Greta his discussion with William who claimed to have received a phone call from Natalee at 3 am....

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:26 am
Yeah, and then FEB's bo William gets a call from Natalee while she was being kidnapped by J2K. Did I mention 4am phone call... Time is also interesting.

Could FEB and William know something???

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am
Damn Diamond you are right! Charles and Alberto drove in the direction of the lighthouse ending up at Arashi -- the exact location in Deepak's statement. William gave Charles the impression that he thought Natalee had been taken to the lighthouse and then kidnapped. Why did William set the stage for Kidnapping on the 30th of May. William told Charles he had a missed call from Natalee at 4am -- the same time that Beth tried to pin on Paulus picking Joran and Natalee up at the McDonalds.

One more thing that comes to mind: If Natalee was the most responsible of her class, always on time, Virgin, etc... Why didn't these kids freak out right away and start searching for her - why did they leave the searching in the hands of strangers of another country? -- could it be that only a handful of kids even knew that she was missing and they kept it hush until everyone had departed the gateway?

Back to the Original Perpetrators: With that statement repeated over and over, it seems that Beth really knows what happened to Natalee and that is a suttle warning to the next set of Perpetrators. Beth is very calculating, she warned Julia on July 10th about the Boycott she would launch in September. Shocked

Doesn't Dave wonder about stuff like this, or does he still think the landfill witness, the gardener, and Shango are credible?

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:42 am
There is no actual proof that it was Natalee that called, William thought Natalee had tried to call him from the kidnapper's phone and when she got caught, the phone hung up. The call does exist, there is no female voice, and the ALE was not told about this call until months after Natalee had been missing.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:25 am
I'm pretty sure that Charles was not questioned by the ALE until after Joran was released!!! The same goes for Eric Williams.

Beth told everyone that a psychic by the name of Charles helped her find Joran's house. Shocked She started discrediting him from the get-go.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:38 pm
responding to question: "So who did the call come from? Or has 15 months not been enough time for ALE to check the phone records.")
Shizaru I don't know, the ALE tried to get the records from phones of interest to no avail. It is my understanding that the ALE requested the FBI to help with this, but not until the fall.

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:10 pm
Charles Croes did not lie about this phone call. Beth told several people about the phone call from the kidnappers phone to Natalee's best friend William, when they didn't find Natalee in the first 48 hours of her kidnapping, they realized they couldn't use the Kidnapped Phone Call "Card" and turned Charles into a Clairvoyant to discredit him as he is still the only one besides the Twittys to have heard the call. Those who knew about it were warned not to talk about the phone call to William.

Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:30 pm
Charles found it strange that the young boy answered the phone so late at night and nobody else seemed to be around. No other voices, he refered to no other person being there. Charles sent the kid to the kitchen to get some water to calm himself down. Charles asked him if he had the water, the boy said he did, then Charles called him a liar and told him to go to the kitchen now. Then the boy (supposedly William) "then" went to the kitchen, opened the fridge, poured the water and drank it. Then after Charles was done speaking to the boy, he called back to the same phone # several times where no one answered so he could pen in the # that Beth gave him to hear the message that was left on the phone. The message was driving sounds and then a male voice "are you calling home?" hangup.

Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:51 am
And Byrd's Boyfriend William was the one to inform the Twittys that he received the desperate call from Natalee at 3am. According to Beth, Natalee must have taken the kidnapper's cel phone while they were driving around the lighthouse and dialed her best friend William's phone only to get his answering machine. When the Kidnapper saw that Natalee had his phone, he said sternly "Are you calling home?" The line was disconnected.

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:34 am
ViVi is hoping by inserting herself in the middle I will not answer. Very Happy

Now to your Question: Beth used the term Answering Machine not Voice Message. I always thought Beth was referring to William's cel phone voice message until recently someone brought up that maybe the at-home-alone-crying teenager it wasn't William, but Matt Holloway who spoke to Charles Croes. This theory (which seems like it would be easy to confirm or debunk from phone records) would explain several things:

1. The rumor that a message was left on the Twitty answering machine at 3am saying “I don’t know these people” to suggest kidnapping as “Are you calling Home?” doesn’t sound to threatening – more like a friend asking Natalee if she was calling home.

2. Charles listened to the message several times and he is sure the male voice said “Are you calling HOME?” At 3 am Twitty-time would be 4 am Aruba time, hence the false accusations of Paulus picking up Joran & Natalee at the Mc Donalds at 4 am suggesting that Natalee was in the car with Paulus & Joran.

3. This strange phone message could also explain Beth’s instant Kidnapping theory – because of the 3am phone call to her “HOME” phone. Also, Charles was called just a few minutes after the private plane had landed and he was asked to meet ASAP to evaluate where that phone call came from? And if he had rented any of the students a phone.

4. If the call was actually made to Natalee’s best friend William, when could Beth have found out about the call? William’s flight left at 3:01 and the flight time is 4 hours and 15 minutes, putting him at 7:16 pm as the soonest he could have turned his phone on to hear the messages. The posse had already departed from Alabama to Aruba so how could William have contacted Beth to tell her about the message?

What doesn't make sense is why the Twittys failed to tell the ALE about the phone call -- especially when asked why do you think your daughter was kidnapped? Do you have a lot of Money? Are you a political figure? Do you have any reason to think that your daughter has been kidnapped? Beth's answer, Well yes officer, she was a straight A Honor student who has never been late for anything in her life. She did not drink, smoke and she was a virgin and based on that, I know that she was kidnapped!
 

Afternoon, Gunslinger, care to elaborate?

New vidio posted on the Persistence website:

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

That is one awesome video!  The Persistence is doing a wonderful and valuable job in mapping the north shore.  I have faith that if she is there, they will find her.

I wish I understood more about that phone call.  I've heard that the family has denied there was a phone call.  Yet, Charles Croes stated Beth asked him to listen to a phone message.  Gunslinger, what makes you so sure this was the text of the phone call?  Can anyone clarify what we really know regarding a phone call, presumably from Natalee?

Because I heard it.

Do you think it was Natalee? Back in 2005 it was rumored there were 2 calls..Is that not right?

Do you think it was Natalee? Back in 2005 it was rumored there were 2 calls..Is that not right?

Yes on both questions.  Only one was real.

Yes on both questions.  Only one was real.

Ok,so you must be reffering to the recording on the MB students phone that Beth had Charles Croes listen to over and over. If it is true,It makes me wonder who's phone made that call? Sanders,Anita's or someone else? You would think they would of known back in June 2005 the phone number that call came from. I remember very vividly everything that was talked about on TV back then before it was never talked about again. The NE Article,Beth's interview on Greta and Jossy Mansur telling us on TV that it came from the Noord area of Aruba.

Thank you Anna.

The implication of Julia Renfro's words (highlighed) imply that Charles Croes was contacted by one of the handlers while the Twitty group was still at the airport and ... Beth was the one who spoke to Charles Croes ... requested his assistance and ... then the arranged meeting took place almost immediately ... prior to the Twitty group meeting up with Paul Lily and Eric Williams at the Holiday Inn.

The assertations and timeline spew forth from the leader of the misinformation campaign goes against the all the claims of Natalee's mother and stepfather.

Beth's words in LOVING NATALEE reveals that the handlers drove the group directly to the Holiday Inn where she had her first encounter with Eric Williams.

Jug's response to the Monkey's questionaire ... Eric Williams contacted Charles Croes.

Beth's words in LOVING NATALEE reveals that it was Eric Williams who introduced her and Jug to Charles Croes at the early morning meeting at the gas station.

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 36
All of us load up into the handlers’ big white van and head for the Holiday Inn.

Page 38
We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel. The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them. I go straight to the DEA agent and begin telling him what we know

Page 41
The DEA agent asks for Natalee's cell phone and passport. …The agent looks at Natalee's things a few moments, then gives them back to me.
 
Page 41
When I return to the lobby the DEA agent suggest we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's to as questions and show her picture around. So we load up and head back to the shipyard area.
 
Page 42
Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

<snipped>

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731

Ok,so you must be reffering to the recording on the MB students phone that Beth had Charles Croes listen to over and over. If it is true,It makes me wonder who's phone made that call? Sanders,Anita's or someone else? You would think they would of known back in June 2005 the phone number that call came from. I remember very vividly everything that was talked about on TV back then before it was never talked about again. The NE Article,Beth's interview on Greta and Jossy Mansur telling us on TV that it came from the Noord area of Aruba.

I feel like they called Croes because they mistook the message from the AM of Sunday with being the PM of Sunday or the AM of Monday, the confusion of the date and all of the excitement, and they thought the phone call might be of importance. But it wasn't.

[Could this be the reason sanders phone was conveniently lost?

Could this be the reason sanders phone was conveniently lost?

Curacao?

PI and Gunslinger, thank you.  That explanation clears it up for me.  I was confused.  I wanted to believe Gunslinger who said he heard the call, but then the family said it was not from Natalee, but then Croes said on Greta that Beth asked him to listen to a call...  I think you can see why I was confused!  Apparently there was a call, but it must have been a wrong number or something and was not related to this case as it was made the night before Natalee went missing.  I think I understand now.  If not, someone will correct me!   ::MonkeyWink::

PI and Gunslinger, thank you.  That explanation clears it up for me.  I was confused.  I wanted to believe Gunslinger who said he heard the call, but then the family said it was not from Natalee, but then Croes said on Greta that Beth asked him to listen to a call...  I think you can see why I was confused!  Apparently there was a call, but it must have been a wrong number or something and was not related to this case as it was made the night before Natalee went missing.  I think I understand now.  If not, someone will correct me!   ::MonkeyWink::

So there was a phone call to the house as well.

I understood Beth to say the phone call to the house came months later and was ascertained to be a crank call. 

I understood Beth to say the phone call to the house came months later and was ascertained to be a crank call. 

Gunslinger - Can you tell us if you believe the call you heard could have been Natalee? 

I think that was the call after the hurricane. The blog rumors back in 2005 had a short recording on a answering machine. I think the rumor had a Aruban male voice asking her name..She said Natalee then the call was disconnected.

Gunslinger - Can you tell us if you believe the call you heard could have been Natalee? 

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionair
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

 There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.

The hurricane rumor, as i recall had to do with someones lines being crossed and a reported sighting of Natalee in a bar/brothel in Barranquilla Columbia. Maybe this is as you remember *******?......or just one of the many rumors, as you said they were rampant at that time.

Of course that was just one phone call that bugged me and when I saw Matt I asked him and he explained this one to me.

Yes, I do.

You all know how Greta has a teaser when going to a commercial break?  On the one year aniversary, she had most of the girls on the show for an interview.  Going to a commercial break she teases how someone in the group will never delete their voice mail, find out why when we return.  She never mentions it again.

Why?  Is this part of the proof?

Yes, I do.

You all know how Greta has a teaser when going to a commercial break?  On the one year aniversary, she had most of the girls on the show for an interview.  Going to a commercial break she teases how someone in the group will never delete their voice mail, find out why when we return.  She never mentions it again.

I remember Dave saying he thought the lines were crossed or something after the hurricane and they believe it was just that,neither Beth or Dave think it was Natalee. Perhaps even a young girl just dialing the wrong number.

But the recording on the answering machine came out the same time at RWV months earlier when they mentioned the call to Williams voice mail. Just one of the many rumors  ::MonkeyConfused::

It is assumed that authorities have verified those issues.
I'm sure the family and the authorities know the correct time stamp on the call that the classmate received.  Since I have heard no more about it, I believe PI when he says Matt told him it was not the date when Natalee disappeared.

So there was a phone call to the house as well.

I think the cover up started when Joran called Daddy that night Natalee became missing.
Remember something bad happened and Joran was going to show them where they burried Natalee, I think Joran was shocked when she wasn't  where they put her .
Why because Daddy had someone move her to a new location.
Cover up from the start.

Does anybody know if the origins of a voice mail message can be traced?

Thanks you.

Janet

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This is waht I had saved

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject:     

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From RWV via TBHS:

One male, said to be a close friend of Natalee Hollway discovered a message as he was riding home to Mountain Brook on a bus with other students and some chaperones. While I'm unable to verify the originating number of the call, I've been told it was not thought to be the cell phone of Natalee Holloway.

The message could not be clearly made out by ear and was characterized as being garbled "Aruban" voices. The call is said to have been originated in the "middle of the night" on the first evening of Natalee's disappearance.

A second "missed call" message is said to have been discovered by a female friend and possible vacation roommate of Natalee Holloway while flying home with the group from Aruba. The two groups of students mentioned were on separate flights.

As reported earlier, it is has been said that the remaining chaperone did use Natalee Holloway's cell phone the next day to reach her friends for more information that might have helped in finding Natalee early on in her disappearance. While that timing suggests the second call could have been placed by the chaperone, one source insists the missed call message was time stamped at 4 AM the previous night. That information has not been corroborated.

Attempts to clarify the circumstances surrounding Natalee's cell phone usage for the trip, specifically did she rent an alternate cell phone, as is common practice for some while visiting Aruba, were met with a no comment from one likely phone provider.

It is possible she had an additional phone resulting in some confusion as to where her cell phone was at any point in time. Also, the time stamp of the missed call from her phone could have been misinterpreted or reported incorrectly from the owner of the phone. It is assumed that authorities have verified those issues.

In the first instance above the young man notified a chaperone upon receiving the phone message and students quickly began to surmise that cell phones and any possible messages could become relevant to any potential investigation. I've been told that at that point most if not all phones were switched off and handed in, presumably to be handed over to investigating authorities.

I have no information as regards other possible phone messages left with anyone linked to this case.
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No there was 1 phone call to a phone, a message was left. There was not a phone call to Matt's house.

Next time I speak to Beth I will ask her, but there were no significant phone calls after researched the night before or the night she disappeared. Beth got a phone call much later, that she said sounded like Natalee but she thinks it was a prank. I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.

But, Kermit, if the date on the phone call was May 28 (Sunday morning at 3:15 AM) instead of May 29 (Monday morning at 3:15 AM), then it could not have been Natalee calling while in distress.  So doesn't this negate most of these earlier references?

Hello PI,You and Robots had me rolling the other night  ::MonkeyLaugh::

The early blog rumors were a call made to the answering machine at Beth's home or was it Daves? Well,either way I guess we can rule that one out as well?

The "mommy " phone call, first with music playing was talked about on the Thursday November 17th,2005 Dr Phil show. This was later deemed a fake.

Where did you get that date from? What I posted or another post?

I think the cover up started when Joran called Daddy that night Natalee became missing.
Remember something bad happened and Joran was going to show them where they burried Natalee, I think Joran was shocked when she wasn't  where they put her .
Why because Daddy had someone move her to a new location.
Cover up from the start.

I originally heard there were 2 phone calls, one to the house and one to a student, and I visited with Matt and asked him what the deal was with the phone calls and he said there was NOT one to the house, in MT Brook, but to a students phone, and it was earlt morning but the "night before" Natalee disappeared. They just got the date and the AM PM thing wrong and got excited for nothing. I am assuming it was the one Croes listened with Beth. But I will try and check with her to make sure. If there was a phone call of significance, it would have been traced, verified, etc and been a large significant part of the case, and as far as I know it isn't.

It's been a long time and I wont bother finding the links at RWV if you say it never happened. Originally the rumors were 3 calls,William,A female MB friend and Natalee's home in Bama or Daves home in Miss on the answering machine. One of them was ruled out and there was two. It was never really talked about until the Team Natalee meeting or whatever they called themselves met in Bama,where Beth said there was never a call from Natalee.

Your right,If there was a call it should of been easily traced to the cell# that made the call.

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

According to Matt, the phone call was made Sunday morning in the early AM, and due to the date they first mistook it for a call the night Natalee disappeared, which would have been Monday, in the AM, if I stated that correctly. It was a valid call, only it was the night before Natalee disappeared.

When I called the Monday when Beth was first notified that Natalee was missing, I called 3 FBI locations, Wahington DC, and then a neighboring island, I can't spell it but it was Car? where we have a US office. This was about 1:00PM Monday or so, and one of those offices explained that we had no presence in Aruba, but that we happened to have a US agent there of some kind, I really can't remember the exact type, but that they would contact him, advise him of the situation, I told them that a chaperone was still there, and they assured me he would be ables to assist Beth. This was before Beth even got to Birmingham, she was outside of Memphis.

That is why I have always thought this guy was legit, because I expected him to be there. To be honest, I didn't talk to Beth personally before she got to Aruba, I was left a message with my family, and I didn't talk to her for some time after she got to Aruba.
 

Evening monkeys...whether you choose to believe me or not this is the truth and the whole truth...I asked Beth about the phone call at her book signing in Birmingham last year. (The one Chuckrat attended)  I will repeat this again for those that may have missed it. 

Me: Was there a phone call from Natalee to you that night?

Beth: No, there was no phone call....I wish there had been.

The look on Beth's face was all I needed to see after that. 

PI,

Consider: The reason Charles Croes was called in - to remove phone records
Consider: The reason Dave saw Charles Croes sitting in Dennis Jacobs office.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes posted online as early as June 2, the cryptic message about the case having far reaching affects.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes told Greta he listened to the phone call several times. What do you think he was trying to figure out.

NOW Consider the fact that Charles Croes met with Beth at the gas station at midnight.
He did not go back to the HI with her.
He took off on his own and is not seen or heard of until 3:00 AM where he meets Beth and Jug at the polis station in Noord.

12:40 AM until 3:00 AM Charles Croes is WHERE?
He says he went to the Cabana Beach area and that is only 5 minutes away.

for almost TWO HOURS Charles Croes is missing.

Consider: Charles Croes meets with Beth at the gas station, then listens several times to the phone call message and leaves and meets with Paulus van der Sloot. Who just happens to be using Anita's phone when Beth and the polis arrive!

There ain't no coink-a-dinks in life.

Evening monkeys...whether you choose to believe me or not this is the truth and the whole truth...I asked Beth about the phone call at her book signing in Birmingham last year. (The one Chuckrat attended)  I will repeat this again for those that may have missed it. 

Me: Was there a phone call from Natalee to you that night?

Beth: No, there was no phone call....I wish there had been.

The look on Beth's face was all I needed to see after that. 

Kermit,

I totally agree..The whole beach story of getting Jorans address with the description of Deepak's car never made sense. "Thats Jorans Car"? Then they witnessed the car behind the fence,but two hours later it was gone. Then PVDS comes out of the house with a cell phone already in hand and then the wild goose chase. We know they met with the ALE the next day so wheres the statements?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hello PI,You and Robots had me rolling the other night  ::MonkeyLaugh::

The early blog rumors were a call made to the answering machine at Beth's home or was it Daves? Well,either way I guess we can rule that one out as well?

Exactly. Cover-up.
And they put those paid shills online to further their agenda.

******* - take another look at Deepak's car in the Diamonds International  survelliance and see if you see
a spoiler on it?

Hi, everyone. Long time no "see".

I'm not ruling out a call to the Twitty home. Jug talked about wishing he had answered the phone.

:2notworthy:
PI!!! I agree with you big time and will back you up wherever and whenever help is needed. Rest assured,I will be telling everyone I meet in Boston about the hell the Aruban Govt and the Van Der Sloots have put Natalee and her Family through for 32 months.

And THAT is why Aruba is so despicable! Crime happens everywhere. How it is dealt with is quite telling.

Where did you get that date from? What I posted or another post?

Is that a spoiler on the back end?

:2notworthy:
PI!!! I agree with you big time and I will back you up wherever and whenever help is needed. Rest assured,I will be telling everyone I meet in Boston about the hell the Aruban Govt and RAJPK2 have put Natalee and her Family through for 32 months.

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

Hmmm, which to believe:

Beth mentioned the phone call from Natalee on Abrams: "I don't even know these guys.." and it cut off.http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49&page=6&pp=10

BETH ON ABRAMS TALKING ABOUT THE CELL PHONE CALL FROM NATALEE
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/6331

"VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?
C. CROES: Yes, it did.
VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161373,00.html


Faith
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:57 pm   Post subject: The call to Natalee's home from Aruba.    Reply with quote
First of all, the Twitty's never thought that anything bad could happen to the group of Mountain Brook graduates. Every year, the graduates went to Aruba and came home safe. And they trusted their daughter.

Apparently, Beth (Natalee's mother) was out of state for some type of family gathering.
Jug went to sleep. The phone rang in the middle of the night and he thought it must have been a wrong number. He let the answering machine downstairs record the message. Then Beth got a call to her cell phone from a chaperone in Aruba saying Natalee wasn't there for the flight home. Beth rushed from out of state, home to Alamaba where she and Jug listened to the phone message.

The phone call from Natalee was to her home number, where she lived with her parents. But the call didn't come from Natalee's cell phone because she left it in her hotel room.

The theory is that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at Joran's apartment. Natalee felt she was in trouble and called home from one the phones in the Van Der Sloot house. She called her home number and it is speculated that she said, "Mom, help me." There was a lot of background noise.

When Beth and Jug arrived in Aruba and met up with Greta, they went stright over to the Van Der
Sloot's house and she asked "Where is my daughter?" Then both Greta and Beth heard the same background noise that was on the phone message.

Greta went to investigate and found out the neighbors in the next house over went on vacation and left their pet monkey out in the yard (in the daytime heat) in a metal cage. The monkey was not fed, not watered and was very upset and complaining loudly. The monkey was the background noise that Beth heard on the answering machine re the call from Natalee.

This is something that Beth is keeping close to her chest/vest because it would seem to prove for certain that Natalee called home from the VDS residence.
http://truth4natalee.s3.bizhat.com/posting.php?mode=reply&t=352&mforum=truth4natalee


She said that greta and crew kind of adopted the monkey and took care of it while there. (I read on Greta's blog that she was feeding the monkey.) But that's why Beth thinks Natalee was at the VDS house.......the distinct sound of a screeching monkey.[color]
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26041


When we were at the Van der Sloot (search) home two days ago, and while  I was inside the home, one of my colleagues noticed that there was a  monkey in a cage in the yard at the house next to the Van der Sloots.  The monkey was making lots of noise and sounded to her to be in distress.  The cage was deep into someone's property but one could see the monkey  banging on his cage
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html  (June 24, 2005)
So, today when we went back to the Van der Sloot house, we brought  fruit from the buffet in our hotel to feed the monkey. We brought bananas, ,  apples and other stuff for the monkey. This time we all went to the  monkey cage. I have posted some pics of us feeding the monkey and also  giving him water. The monkey whose name is unknown to us is very cute.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html (June 24, 2005)

I took my video camera on Friday to the monkey's house so that I could  video for you the monkey as we fed him. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160904,00.html

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
 Thursday, June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

Kermit
I don't care if you believe me or not...that is what Beth told me while I was standing at the table getting a book signed for Peaches. I can't elaborate any more since my next question was not about the phone call.  I took that to mean that Natalee did not try to call her the night in question.

Irrevelant to the disappearance on May 30, 2005 but very well could have been when the initial targetting was done.  I do recall there being "rumor" that one night Natalee was escorted back to her room, this phone call indicates confusion on Natalee's part.  She could have been targetted due to her being considered a "light weight".  Was JVDStoolscum present on that evening where the partying was going on by the MB group?  Think there was a reason that JVDStoolscum brought PVDStoolscum to the Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino Sunday night, check out the prospect maybe?  These perpetrator's are EVIL, it is difficult to even imagine this type of mindset.

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

But I never dreamed Beth would be in Aruba that very night, so I know I never intimated to whomever told me that Beth was coming there immediately, that night.

But not if he was "vacationing on the island."

Of course there is no telling who all else Beth called, and who all else they called, so he easily could have known. Was the US doing some joint something with Aruba concerning their airport or something at that time? It is really hard to remember the details of those calls versus all that has been reported.

I never said he was vacationing did I?

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

I thought Eric Williams was on Vacation? His source of Info had to be from Charles,How else would he know anything about Paul VDS being a judge?

Jug did in Janet's statement just above.

Consider this scenario:

The phone call is as the National Enquirer and the early transcript by Greta with Charles Croes reported.

Natalee made a phone call and said: "I don't know these guys"

Natalee left her phone at the HI

Consider: Natalee made a phone call from vds home.

Charles Croes is the guy who was called he said because it was believed a phone call was made from one of his phones. That is what he said on Greta.

Consider: If a phone call is made by Natalee at the van der Sloot home and someone in Aruba wants to protect Paulus and Joran, the phone records need to be gleaned so as to not prove that Natalee was where?
At Paulus van der Sloot home.

Consider: That is why Joran said they went to the lighthouse.
Consider: That is why Joran changed his story and said they were dropped off at the beach.

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.

Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!

I have always believed there was a phone call.

The phone call is what got Natalee murdered.

Me too, San.  I think that's when Joran lost his temper and hit her with the
baseball bat.

Unless something drastic changed with Natalee after the summer immediately preceeding her 12th grade year, Natalee could not drink, period. She had absolutely the lowest tolerance I have ever seen in anyone. She obviously was not some one who drank.

I don't think he was gone for two hours just telling Paulus the family has arrived.
I think he was at a meeting with Paulus at the house for those couple of hours - fixing phones!
Getting rid of evidence.

Remember it was his board of director attorney, Lincoln Gomez who immediately came on Fox and gave interviews. Follow the connection of him and you'll see the disgusting pattern that is weaved and they
usually end up at banks!

Remember I posted the picture of the CMB bank that Paulus went to make a deposit the next day, you know that is what most good dad's do when they have taken their son in for questioning is get to the bank!

The bank is next to Digicel!
Follow Charles Croes from the boss watch on Paulus wrist
to Lincoln Gomez
to Antonio Carlos
to the paid shills online
it will all start to add up

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

DEA probably has worked with Charles Croes in the past setting up phone taps, isn't that how they became major friends?
Personally never believed that vacation story.

I am not San, but IMO Charles Croes and company checked their records
and told the family that the call was made the day BEFORE

And let her die without getting her medical attention? Then denied her a proper burial and lied to her loved ones? Well pretty bad..But it's even worse when the Chief of Police,A couple of dirty cops,Chief Prosecuter and the Minister of justice helped cover up the murder of a young girl. Add in the campaign to lie,slander and put the family through hell and the whole world would be outraged.

LOL, diet coke all over the screen

be right back with some windex   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And let her die without getting her medical attention? Then denied her a proper burial and lied to her loved ones? Well pretty bad..But it's even worse when the Chief of Police,A couple of dirty cops,Chief Prosecuter and the Minister of justice helped cover up the murder of a young girl. Add in the campaign to lie,slander and put the family through hell and the whole world would be outraged.

And who believes the Chief of Police,A couple of dirty cops,Chief Prosecuter and the Minister of justice all collaborated to cover up a murder by a 17 year old kid?  Raise your hands...

I didn't think I saw any hands waving.  There is more to cover up here than a rape and murder by an out of control 17 year old punk.  We've seen reports of arrests of other people in Aruba for crimes equally as horrendous.  Joran and the 2K's are not so valuable they wouldn't be prosecuted unless something else is being covered up here.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

Remeber Monkeys: There is a Dirty FBI or DEA in the Game

Remeber Monkeys: There is a Dirty FBI or DEA in the Game

it's aruba, what proof do we have that he was really f.b.i. or d.e.a.?
dennisintn

it's aruba, what proof do we have that he was really f.b.i. or d.e.a.?
dennisintn

 ::MonkeyEek::  I guess this probably should be shocking but at this point in the case, I'm not surprised.  My first instinct says probably DEA.  It wouldn't surprise me to find out that there also WAS A CALL that Beth was told to keep quiet.  The scenario that a lot of you have laid out regarding that definately makes sense.  There are probably still a lot of things that Beth and Dave know that they have not spoken about yet.  I just look forward to the day when it is all out in the open for the world to see.  And most of all, I hope that Natalee can be brought home where she belongs.

So now I'm wondering if Dirtyhand or Dirtyhands are DEA agents who have gone bad and that is what is held over Aruba's head....for where would they be without their drug money????? Just a Thought.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::

..."their airport..."  Do you mean the FOL used for drug interdictions?  There has been speculation that a major drug bust was going down at this time and the wire taps were related to this. 

I think there is something fishy about the DEA agent.  The fact that
he can be connected to Charles Croes and Julia Renfro says enough
for me.

That DEA person has always bugged me. Why the silence from him ?
We all know his name, it's not as of he is undercover. I just can't think of a plausible reason for the silence. At least the public silence. 
Simian ?   OMG, I am about to unleash a monster !

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:00 PM

Kermit,
I went to the first few links posted here and couldn't find where Beth discussed any "calls" other than the 911 calls that she made on her way back home the day she found out Natalee had missed the plane.  If you have a link to a transcript where "Beth" discusses the calls that may have been from Natalee please post it.  TIA

TM

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Kermit
I don't care if you believe me or not...that is what Beth told me while I was standing at the table getting a book signed for Peaches. I can't elaborate any more since my next question was not about the phone call.  I took that to mean that Natalee did not try to call her the night in question.

I think there is something fishy about the DEA agent.  The fact that
he can be connected to Charles Croes and Julia Renfro says enough
for me.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

Don't you think it's kind of odd that it was Julia Renfro who plastered his picture in her newspaper
the same day that Beth raised the reward money to one million.

Then he disappeared.

Don't you find it also odd that the Prime Minister sent a letter asking the Prosecutor to let the FBI have the records of the case, BUT she left on vacation.

And it was a couple of days later that Paulus cleared out his office

And we learn documents are missing and that is why dear old Judgie Poo Poo would not allow DNA

IT all adds up to one big fat corruption in Paradise!


Get em monkeys THINK like ya'll use to.

gotta go, not ignoring ya'll, but I got to hop

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

There you are!

Thank you Caps!


Now you all know the truth.  Spread it around!

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

Just for the record - The Murder & Crime thread passed 50,000 views today.

* * *

Just for the record - I was at the Birmingham meeting ("or whatever it was called") and the Question/Answer session about THE phone call was actually a long conversation with many questions. I have posted this SEVERAL times but I will try one more time ...

The phone call message on William's phone --

* Was the call that CCroes listened to, several times, at the gas station.

* Was investigated by the FBI.

* Was from a Florida number and apparently a totally accidental call.

* Despite rumors about "I don't know these people" and "Are you calling home", there was NO HUMAN VOCALIZATION on that call. (Beth herself verified that, citing her occupation - a speech therapist.)

* There WERE odd sounds on the message. According to Art Wood, who also was at that whatever-it-was-called-meeting, it could have been wind, birds, monkeys, whatever, and any combination thereof. Art, who lives in Florida, added that "there are a lot of birds and monkeys in Florida" ...

I did not hear/read until NOW that the call apparently occurred the day before Natalee disappeared. If that was mentioned during that Q/A session, I missed it.

I don't believe for a second that Beth et al would deny the call as thoroughly as they did, if it were "evidence". I believe, instead, that a simple "We can't discuss that" would have been the reply.

I will interject that Beth seemed - in my opinion - to be genuinely bewildered by the interest in that phone message. A good 15-20 minutes was spent on it.

But consider the perspective - for her, that call was a dead end. For most of us, that enigmatic Greta interview with CCroes, and the rumors about what was said, have kept that call roiling - despite the fact that it has been thoroughly eliminated as a lead.

I think the interview was odd, and edited, to keep Eric Williams, DEA, and possibly the owner of the originating phone number, from being referenced - although I'm not sure that the investigation of the call had been completed at the time of the interview. 

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Yes, Please help me understand if you can....

::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Ok I'll try...Here goes....They are covering for the  Sloots and what happened to Natalee to prevent the Sloots from telling all they know about the Bad DEA  and Corrupt Dutch Government  and probably more....in other words no prosecution of the Sloots keeps the corrupt little island afloat or that's what they are hoping for anyways...Hope this makes sense...LOL  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Hotping!  I appreciate your help.  I still have some questions but maybe they will come out in others comments shortly.  I can fill most of the spaces...

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

Good Night All Monkeys!