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6:30 am - email to Steve Croes from Joran's computer.

6:30 E-mail or Text meassage to Steve Croes by Joran or Deepak 6:30 am Records show call from one of the 3 boys cellphones in Santa Lucia area in Aruba.  (confirmed by Aruba Today) Monday morning to another cell located in the cell site of Santa Lucia. This is north of Santa Cruz and that cellsite covers the middle northern part of the island. (this is also listed in the newsarticles that Julie Renfro reported as confirmed

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

OK, I admit it - I read all afternoon at work.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

When I read the part where the people of Holland are so pissed they are stopping taxi drivers to make sure our Sporter isn't trying to escape I wanted to jump out of my chair and do a dance.   ::MonkeyDance::

This is exactly what I was hoping for.... and it hasn't even really hit the US yet... you wait.... oooh it will get ugly.  Even Joe Taco won't be able to spin it.  Greta will be inclined to take her words back - the panel will be "axing" all kinds of questions of Joran.  lmao

Joran you are a walking target.  I love it.  About time.  Now time to turn up the heat on Paulus.

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Quote from: Yellow Ribbon on Today at 04:03:30 PM
Whether or not Joran is ever convicted of anything, we now have it from his own mouth that he is guilty. He is forever a disgraced man, a pariah. There is some justice in that.

Shortly I'll be driving down that road you've all seen hundreds of times in the video of Natalee talking in the back of the car. This time it will feel different.


He certainly is a pariah Yellow ribbon. Personally I'd rather leave it just the way it is than see Hans Mos pull another FUBAR on Aruba and have those corrupt Dutch judges down there clear him again.

As it stands he has convicted himself. It will be spread all over the world tonite by ABC News.

GUILTY!!!!  

Posted at RU - this is a chat Joran just had with the publisher of his book.  Joran just can't stop talking:

This from an interview online:

Terwijl heel Nederland de huiveringwekkende bekentenis over Natalee Holloway op tv volgt, zit Joran van der Sloot te msn-en (alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master altijd 1 stap voor). Hij heeft geen idee over de verontwaardiging die hij heeft losgemaakt. Hij chat met een DAG-journaliste die een boek met hem schreef.
While Holland is watching his horrible confession about Natalee Holloway on the television, Joran is chatting using msn messenger (his alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@ Chess master, always 1 step ahead!). He has no clue about the indignation he caused. He chats with an DAG-reporter who co-wrote his book.

Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor: Hoi, hoe gaat 'ie
Hi, how are you?  
Z: Wat is nou de waarheid?
What is the truth?
J: Ha ha, je weet het zelf niet meer. Kom op Zvezdana. Ik heb toch ook tegen de recherche geluld. Dit wordt ook gewoon een lulverhaal want het klopt niet, maar dat maakt het in mijn ogen misschien nog erger.

Hahah, you dont remember anymore. Come on Zvezdana. I have also lied to the police. This is just a piece of shit (or: a story he made up), because it isnt correct, but maybe what I`m concerned, this makes it only worse.
Z: Zit je nou in Friesland?
Are you in Friesland (=one of the northern states of Holland_J: Ik ben ergens waar niemand het weet en misschien moet ik Nederland wel verlaten.
I am somewhere no one knows and I might have to leave Holland.
Z: Wegens dreigementen?

Because of threats?
J: Denk niet meer dat ik hier naar school kan.
I dont think I`ll be able to go to school here anymore.
Z: Euh... nee.
Uh..No.  
J: Nee, maar een hoop mensen zijn boos.
No, but a lot of people are mad.  
Z: Dat snap ik wel. Je hebt heel duidelijk en kil verteld dat je een meisje dood hebt laten gaan en in zee hebt gepleurd. Wat zeiden je ouders?
I can understand. You told really clear and cold how you let a girl die and tossed her body in the ocean. What did your parents say?
J: Zij weten ook wel dat het een lulverhaal is. Vanaf hoe ik m'n litteken heb gekregen tot aan alles. Ik was behoorlijk stoned. Ik ben 8 maanden met hem omgegaan hè, dus je hoort nu alleen wat zij willen.

They know its a piece of shit. From how I got my scar to everything. I was pretty stoned. I hang around with for 8 month, so now you only hear what they want you to hear.

Z: Besef je hoe erg het is? Denkt je advocaat dat je weer wordt opgepakt?

Do you understand how bad it is? Does your attorney think they`ll arrest you once again?  

J: Nee, hij denkt van niet, maar je weet het nooit, en ja, ik weet hoe erg het is. Ja, sorry voel me ook niet zo goed.

No, he thinks not, but you`ll never know and yes, I know how bad it is. Yes. I don’t feel well either.
Z: Waar voel je je niet goed over? Dat de hele wereld dit ziet en nooit meer gelooft wat je over Natalee zegt?

Where do you feel bad about? The whole world watching this and not believing anything you say about Natalee anymore?

J: Allebei.

Both.  

Z: Heb je gehuild toen je het zag?

Did you cry when you were watching the broadcast?

J: Nee, ik huil niet. Ik heb het samen met Leon (advocaat, red.) bekeken. Kijk, ik wist wat ging komen. Was precies hoe ik dacht. Jammer dat ze alles weg hebben geknipt wat Patrick zei.

No, I never cry. I watched it together with Leon (lawyer). Look, I knew what was coming. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Too bad they cut out everything Patrick said.
Z: Maar wat vonden je ouders ervan?

What did your parents think?  

J: Ja, ik had ze al alles verteld. Ze hebben meegeluisterd via de telefoon.

Yes, I told them already everything. They listened to the broadcast by phone.

Ik heb er niet voor gekozen om dit met de buitenwereld te delen. Ik dacht: gewoon een gesprek tussen mij en m'n dealer. Ik vertel hem wel wat hij wil horen.

It wasnt my choice to share this with the world. I thought: just a conversation between me and my dealer. I`ll just tell him what he wants to hear.

Z: Wiet? Gaf hij je ook coke?

Weed? Did he give you coke also?

J: Nee mij niet maar hij snuift zelf zo veel dat zijn neus bloedt.

No, not to me, but he sniffs (as in: uses cocaine) so much his nose bleeds all the time.

Z: En hebben jullie samen meisjes gedaan op hotelkamer?

Did you do some girls together in a hotelroom?

J: Ja allemaal. Erg he.

Yes, everything. Bad huh?

Z: Hoe kan jij nog aantonen dat meer van wat er is uitgezonden gelul is?

How can you prove that the footage is bullshit?


J: Ja, niks ervan gaat kloppen, dus dan moet het wel gelul zijn toch. Het OM gaat dit zeker onderzoeken maar als ze niks vinden? Dan kan het toch niet waar zijn?

Yes, nothing is going to add up, so it must be bullshit right? The OM is definetly going to investigate this, but if they don’t find anything? Then it cant be true, right?

Z: Je sprak over een medeplichtige half-Arubaan, half-Nederlands, woont hier, ietsje ouder. Ik dacht...

You talked about a accomplice. Half aruban, half dutch. Livs here, a but older. I thought…

J: Haha, je bent te erg Zvezdana. Denk je echt dat iemand dat 3 jaar lang voor zichzelf houdt?

Hahaha, youre too bad Zvezdana. Do you really think someone will keep this a secret for 3 years?  

Kan toch niet, welke reden zou die daar voor hebben?

J: Cant be, what reason would that person have?


Z: Ik snap gewoon niet goed waarom je nu voor het eerst een heel gedetailleerd verhaal bij elkaar ‘liegt’ en zegt dat je er wel iets mee te maken hebt. Wat heb je daar zelf nou aan?

I dont understand why you at this moment, for the first time, will make up a pretty detailed story and say you did have something to do with it. Whats in it for you?

J:Hij beloofde me veel geld. Hij deed zich voor als een echte gangster

He promised me a lot of money. He pretended to be a real gangster.

I agree!  I know many call for this guy's head.  But, he'll never be able to live the way he's been living for the past few years.  He's the Dutch O.J.!  He'll be a joke and a novelty from this point forward.  And, trust me when I say this...he'll pay the piper much sooner then later...

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

Hans Mos, you need to  find all the bones  that have  washed up on Aruba and retest them.  While you are  at  it, look and see who was  covering up all the evidence.  There are pieces  of  Natalee's top that washed  up-that fits into his admission.   Get Joran, Paulus  and everyone that covered up for them.   How does a   judge not  find enough evidence to hold a  criminal when he  has obstucted  justice.  That is a  big clue the guy is guilty.

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

Well, if Aruba dosn't get justice for Natalee, he's a dead man walking. He is now and for ever Hated by ALL> Someone will take care of him.

yep

CRANK IT UP  ::MonkeyDance::

Janet - MF posted it at RU without a reference link (big surprise).  I suspect it's in one of the Dutch papers but can't be certain which.

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

Now where exactly did Joran say that pay phone was?  Anyone?

Lala's
chances are it will not matter... the Keystone ALE  prob. did not check pay phone records or all island records for that 6-10 hr time frame... and now of course they are long gone.
JMO

oran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

 .... On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino.



Robert Ainsworth is the Green River Killer and he also always went back to where he had killed and left his victim dead.

Joran did the same thing.

the Payphone was at the Marriot next to the pool.

The link to the chat session is here http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/Artikelpagina-Nieuws/Van-der-Sloot-donderdag-naar-politie.htm. In this post is is also said that he will be going to the police on thursday.

Is that what's happening Dayhiker?  Is there already negative reaction towards him in Holland? 

Is that what's happening Dayhiker?  Is there already negative reaction towards him in Holland? 

What is he going to the police for?  If it's not to give a full, official confession, then what's the point?  He's had plenty of chances to talk already.  Why does he feel the need to talk now?

If there is a real Daury, this thing is SOOOOO OVER!!!!

Pick up Daury, cut him a sweet deal - even immunity, let him hang Joran out to dry.

Joran - its OVER.  You are going down and Taco's going with you!!!

I only pray Daury has the goods on the sweaty bastard too!!

Now where exactly did Joran say that pay phone was?  Anyone?

Hi Strike, I'm not DH but it's a great photo - from Dutch paper this afternoon of LOTS of people camped out around the spot where Sporter is said to be hiding.  They are pissed.  They are running after taxi's and checking to see who is in them to make sure he doesn't escape!!!  Gotta love it.

What is he going to the police for?  If it's not to give a full, official confession, then what's the point?  He's had plenty of chances to talk already.  Why does he feel the need to talk now?

(http://www.cigarbeat.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/smoken-toad-cigar-review-001.jpg)

Yeah, I just looked at it actually.  Are there reports of this type of thing happening regularly in Holland today?

Hiya Monkeys

Another proven lie of Glenda & MF. Both claimed there is no pay phone at the Marriott.  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.setar.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=125

Location of SETAR Public Telephone Booth.

SETAR has several Public Phone Booths around the island. SETAR offers Card-Operated and Coin-Operated Phones. If you want to stay in touch with your family and friends abroad while on vacation, you can call prepaid from one of these booths. Public Phone Cards are available at more than 100 locations on the island.

Available Card Phone Booth:
Airport Gate
Airport International Departure Hall
Airport US Departure Hall
Alhambra Casino
Aruba Phoenix Beach Resort
Arubus Terminal
Baby Beach
Bubali Commercial Center
Caribbean Palm Village
Centro Commercial Noord
Community Pool San Nicolas
Costa Linda Beach Resort
Lagoweg - San Nicolas
Divi Divi Beach Resort
Elleboogstraat
Hospital
Hyatt Regency Resort
La Cabana Beach Resort
Mariniers Kazerne
Natural Bridge
Main street San Nicolas
Plaza Daniel Leo
Police Station San Nicolas
Post Office Oranjestad
Seaport Casino
Seaport Mall
Seaport Marketplace
SETAR Seroe Blanco
Sun Plaza
Tamarijn Beach Hotel
Main Street Oranjestad
Telehop Irausquin
Teleshop Palm Beach
Teleshop Royal Plaza
Teleshop San Nicolas
Teleshop Santa Cruz
Promenade San Nicolas
The Mill Resort
Valero Boulevard
Valero Palm Beach
Valero Ponton
Waterweg
Aruba Ports Authority

Available Coin Phone Booth:

Adventure Golf
Alamo Rent-A-Car
Allegro Casino Aruba
Aruba Airport Authority
Aruba Blue Village
Aruba Golf Club
Aruba International Beach Club
Aruba Nautical Club
Aruba Ports Authority
Aruba Racquet Club N.V.
Arubus Terminal
Brisas del Mar
Bucuti Beach Resort
Bucuti Yacht Club
Cactus Apartment
Café Bahia
Camacuri Residence
Costa Linda Beach Resort
Costa Riba
De Palm Island
De Palm Tours N.V.
Divi Village N.V.
Holiday Inn Beach Resort
Hotel Astoria
Hotel Victoria
La Cabana All Suite Beach Resort
Marriott Aruba Resort & Casino
Radisson Beach Resort
Rancho Monte Blanco
Rancho Notorious
Renaissance Aruba Resort
Renaissance Conference Center
Wyndham Beach Resort & Casino

the Payphone was at the Marriot next to the pool.

The link to the chat session is here http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/Artikelpagina-Nieuws/Van-der-Sloot-donderdag-naar-politie.htm. In this post is is also said that he will be going to the police on thursday.

Hiya Monkeys

Another proven lie of Glenda & MF. Both claimed there is no pay phone at the Marriott.  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.setar.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=125

Location of SETAR Public Telephone Booth.

SETAR has several Public Phone Booths around the island. SETAR offers Card-Operated and Coin-Operated Phones. If you want to stay in touch with your family and friends abroad while on vacation, you can call prepaid from one of these booths. Public Phone Cards are available at more than 100 locations on the island.

Available Card Phone Booth:

Marriott Aruba Resort & Casino

Kermit~ Can ya give us the link to the cropped pic?

Now I finally understand what DK meant when he mentioned inthe poice bug about "all that 'shit'"... Joran basically says it again -- it must be Aruban Pimp slang for "sperm"... ::MonkeyShocked::

Why do we not see any outrage in Aruba??  No protest signs??  No marching to the courthouse...no publishing of the judge's name??  Where are the citizens?? Am I to believe that they are more educated and intelligent than the people of Holland and America??  Where are they?? Where is their outrage??


POST THE NAME OF THE JUDGE

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TENNIS SHOES TO RIGHT

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MANGROVES

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PHOTO source: Blonde as seen in National Enquirer

I soooooo think that Daury=Koen  The shoes and the bag in the basin in the video was there for a reason.  waiting to all be taken out to sea by the boat.

Thanks.  There is a dead girl on the beach and he's walking by the pool to get to pay phone and no one sees him? It's Aruba for goodness sakes!  Party island.  The HI pool was full of MB teens all night long...where were the guests at the Marriot?   The Marriot?  There is that hotel again...what if he was looking for someone at the Marriot and not makeing a phone call?? 

They need to put him in jail. If he gets wind that they have evidence he will be a flight risk.

the Payphone was at the Marriot next to the pool.

The link to the chat session is here http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/Artikelpagina-Nieuws/Van-der-Sloot-donderdag-naar-politie.htm. In this post is is also said that he will be going to the police on thursday.

Why do we not see any outrage in Aruba??  No protest signs??  No marching to the courthouse...no publishing of the judge's name??  Where are the citizens?? Am I to believe that they are more educated and intelligent than the people of Holland and America??  Where are they?? Where is their outrage??


POST THE NAME OF THE JUDGE

marco at RU

I saw all the tapes today, and Joran sitting in the car.
That was not just a story, that is something that really happened.
You can see it in his eyes, and you can hear it in his voice.
And I also think that if you do not understand dutch, and have to depend on reading the translation at the bottom of the screen, it changes everything.

Because you don't what word he is saying, when he is looking a certain way.
Also because he was smoking whatever that was, loosened him up.
I think he thought it was soo cool to hang out with this bad dude.
Heck, he even gives him presents.
Confused

Marriott....they have a bar.....who worked at Champions????

IT'S TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH!!!!!

Jug was just on local TV.  (I must say I have never seen him look better.)
He said that Joran's confession is just part of the story. Get Joran back
to Aruba and make him tell the truth.  He said there are a lot of people
on Aruba who know the true story, get them to talk and confront Joran
with it.  Some of them are ready to talk.  They would just like a little piece
of Natalee to bring home.  Then they had Hodges, but I didn't listen to what
he said.
They said that Beth is back in Birmingham.

I'll tell you why no outrage in Aruba....because tourism is back up. I am sure there are those who want justice too.However as we have come to see the tourism dollar or lack there of is what drives the island. The months following Natalees disappearance caused numbers to drop, and only now are people getting back on their feet. Just the resurgence of media attention likely sends chills down many spines.

He has already said he may have to leave Holland and he won't be able to go back to classes. (I can't remember what page I read that on here, but it was from a link)


RE: the pay phone...I believe Glenda and MF are now saying the pay phone he says he used is for International Calling only :roll:

In his statement he said he went to the side of the Fishermans' Huts because of the wind so he could call Deepak to pick him up.

In his confession he said he went to the Marriott to use a pay phone to call Daury (that is most-likely his nickname for PAPA).

The fishermen said they say a white jeep (look at Paulus jeep - it has a white top, could be that is what they saw from the ocean).

The gardner said he saw Joran and Deepak and someone else at the Racquet Club. I posted pictures of the reenactment of how there car was positioned and the Gardner's car driving by it.

Deepak and Satish are involved!


Kermit, you got that right.  They are involved. A deal has been struck so that the  money from the lawsuit will pay off all lawyers, government officials, AHATA and they will still have plenty of money to live happily ever after.  Mark my works.  Deepak could not wait to make money off this and now we have Joran on tape saying almost the same thing.  Big payday for all of them (or so they think).

C'mon now Buckeye!  At this point, I'm not sure the majority of the Aruban population cares enough about a missing (and presumed murdered) 18 year old American girl to protest their own judicial system for not prosecuting one of "their own". 

Understanding Joran's not Aruban persay.  But, I think it's more of an "FU" to America for "tarnishing" their name and reputation then anything else.  It's like OJ here.  There are actually those who believe he didn't nearly cut his wife's head off!  As silly as it sounds, it's true...

I'm sure there are plenty of good people in Aruba.  But, to be perfectly honest, they are not my concern at this point.  I could care less what happens to their island.  They've protected the killer of an American citizen long enough.  It's go time!!

Hi, just wanted to give you all a heads up.

TJ Ward will be on Nancy Grace at 8 PM EST CNN / Headline NEWS

He is very excited about this interview.

Early Voice Analysis - Joran IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

Jug will be on my show Tuesday night

I love Jug. And not in a 'Brokeback Mountain Way'
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Hi, just wanted to give you all a heads up.

TJ Ward will be on Nancy Grace at 8 PM EST CNN / Headline NEWS

He is very excited about this interview.

Early Voice Analysis - Joran IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

The phone is less of an issue I think.

HE didn't know she was dead. So he calls a friend with the intent to dispose of her unconscious body!
NOT Paramedics
NOT a doctor
NOT polis

Just get rid of her!

WHY because he could not risk being held accountable for raping & drugging her.

Just getting in from work and have had very little time to keep up with the fast moving threads since before this new topic started. 

Is there a link to the entire 2 hour show or next best thing some where?  What is the best source to view this with English sub-titles or is there no site providing it yet?

BTW - Good evening old and new friends.

Jug will be on my show Tuesday night

how many lies have we heard about some stupid payphone in the last 24 hours and who even cares?

Taco says he got the records from the phone and no one called
There is no phone
There is a phone but it only takes credit cards (if this isnt a payphone I dont know what is)
There is a phone but its international only

why so much BS over something so insignificant, who cares

Joran admitted to murder and siposing a body and they are worried about a damn payphone

And he walks to the Marriott to use their phone all the while holding his own cell phone in his hands?  Give me a break! (Not you Kermie, I was just thinking out loud. I wuv Froggies.)

Dana,

 What is your Show?

Thanks Dana. I have always liked Jug cause he calls it like he sees it!!

Thanks Rob. Will make sure & tune in to NG. BTW good to see ya.

Marriott....they have a bar.....who worked at Champions????

IT'S TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH!!!!!

I just saw this......  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Daury Rodriguez was in Holland while the crime happend on Aruba, Daury was tonight with Cris Leshue (lawyer) on TV. Crist show that He can not be the Daury That Joran Is talking about. He was not even in Aruba. He swas attending school and was working a side job.

Daury is a web Developer and is Study Computer Science and graphics designer.
What about Daury Franciso ?? 

its going to be on 20/20 tonight!!

Hi DayHiker. Good to see you.

 ::MonkeyWink::

I think he is going to the police over here but i dont know for sure i hpe they can find something on his laptop before that so they can use that.

Good to see all of you too...
Yap, Nut, Cubbee and everyone..>>>Waves Hello<<<

I have some info posted about a "Daury" on my little ole blog. It's the second post down and Grande complied that info. Complete with photos.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Grande believes that is the correct Daury.

I never heard of the guy til last night.

If there were text messages and calls between Joran and SC, or Deepak and SC, that morning, we can probably assume he was there on the beach with a boat. I never did see any documentation of these messages or calls, so thats why I am holding back on suggesting he is the "friend". We have other ample evidence to suggest he was involved, just no direct link to him using the boat.

Joran refers to this friend as a lifelong buddy, as if he is referring to KG or SG. He also says the friend is a bit older, which suggests LVR. My gut tells me PVDS was on that beach after a 2 am call, and my instinct tells me Deepak brought Croes over. I guess we will have to wait to find out, who the friend with the boat was. Right now, Im voting that Croes was on that beach ,and hence the false alibi he later gave.

Dana,

 What is your Show?

Could someone tell me when/where the video will be shown tonight, if it is tonight?  TIA

tidycat

Could someone tell me when/where the video will be shown tonight, if it is tonight?  TIA

tidycat

My tentative lineup for Tuesday at 9pm et

LA County DA - Robin Sax and Former DA and current defense attorney Chris Darden, remember Chris from the OJ trial :-)

Then  Jug Twitty, Dr Andrew Hodges and Im trying to get Art Wood.


www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

I agree - they need to stand up!  Question - I thought I read today that the show had NOT aired in Aruba yet.  Do we know?  Maybe they are waiting to see it?  Just throwing it out there... I have no idea.

I would think they would be mad as hell.  Frankly I think they are afraid of the mob that runs their island under the guise of a government.  They need to overthrow them too while they can.  mho

Thanks Blah!  I didn't want to repeat my question and interupt the fast pass of discussion.  I am going to set up the laptop in the livingroom so I can work, watch the thread, and tune into shows at the same time.  Boy does this bring back memories of many a sleepless night working the topics of the day with the cage.

Be right back on a faster computer and more comfortable chair. ::MonkeyWink::

My tentative lineup for Tuesday at 9pm et

LA County DA - Robin Sax and Former DA and current defense attorney Chris Darden, remember Chris from the OJ trial :-)

Then  Jug Twitty, Dr Andrew Hodges and Im trying to get Art Wood.


www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

Tee hee... I have this visual of Greta and the panel all being filmed watching the 20/20 shows offering their comments.  You KNOW they are dying to see it.

Running with your theory here, I have a few questions...

If Deepak and Croes were involved in the disposal, why no admission from Joran on the tape?  If we're to believe he was confessing in that car, why not tell of all involved in order to further "toughen up" his story?  I mean, if he thinks he's rolling with some "gangster type", and is trying to impress him with his story, why not include all involved in order to help authenticate his "island connections" in the disposal of Natalee's body?  Wouldn't it seem that's what he'd probably do in order to make himself seem more "thuggish"?

I'm of the belief that there's a lot more truth sprinled within that confession then others believe in here.  Of course, I don't believe Natalee died of any kind of OD. I believe the need to dispose of the body indicates there was probably physical trauma done to her (which most likely resulted in her death).  A normal person would call the paramedics, and tell all they know.  Their first instinct wouldn't be to dump her at sea...

Sure, Joran is involved much morew then he's admitting to.  But, I'm not sure the K2's had any further involvement past being the driver early on in the evening...

Just my 2 cents.

JUST WANT TO SAY AND THEN I WILL BE GONE AGAIN  I have been locked out and just have this to say and then I will back off because there are so many users who do not frequent as often as I do and so I do not want to  monopolize time but I want to remind everyone about the cleaning fluid in Deepak's car, which could have been GHB, because some of its base would be on chemical analysis cleaning fluid.

One more thing, remember Deepak saying they stopped to empty and dispose of their cups, he and Satish, after they left Natalee & Joran.  What was in those cups that they made a special effort to stop and empty? 

Have a good day.  Go get the ugly lying creep, wherever he is, even if he is in Italy with Taco or in Georgetown with Greta, get him!

It's going to get a lot more interesting shortly - from what I hear. He He He.

I jokingly told Deetch to write a post in his eloquent style - titled "Joran seeks asylum in the Gaza Strip"... LOL

Anyway...

Dana,

 What is your Show?

In this latest version, has urine Joran said how he got "home" from the beach?

I think some of the stuff that Joran said in the tapes is probably factual, but I also think a lot of other stuff he said is made-up stuff.

I'm still not sure as to which "beach" they disposed of Natalee's body. Even in this last version, Joran mentions about her wanting to see the sharks, and I'm wondering why that tidbit keeps popping up. Maybe that's the "beach" that was actually used.

In any case, guess soon we'll hear of Greta van susteren again saying: "I'm inclined to believe him (Joran)" but she never says which lies of his she believes. Maybe Greta believes everything Joran has said. . . .

Back to the main question that I had: Did Joran say how he got "home" from the "beach" in this version?

Thanks.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OHHHHH YEAH!!!!!!!



Ain't it sweet she missed out on the big story????   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

They'd hang him in the square first time he lit up a doobie.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

yes they also havent seen it yet if im right it is also tonight on tv there they are going to look at it at the same time you will on abc

It's going to get a lot more interesting shortly - from what I hear. He He He.

I jokingly told Deetch to write a post in his eloquent style - titled "Joran seeks asylum in the Gaza Strip"... LOL

Anyway...

Entertainment Tonight??? Time and Channel in the B'ham area????

Entertainment Tonight??? Time and Channel in the B'ham area????

Entertainment Tonight??? Time and Channel in the B'ham area????

In this latest version, has urine Joran said how he got "home" from the beach?

I think some of the stuff that Joran said in the tapes is probably factual, but I also think a lot of other stuff he said is made-up stuff.

I'm still not sure as to which "beach" they disposed of Natalee's body. Even in this last version, Joran mentions about her wanting to see the sharks, and I'm wondering why that tidbit keeps popping up. Maybe that's the "beach" that was actually used.

In any case, guess soon we'll hear of Greta van susteren again saying: "I'm inclined to believe him (Joran)" but she never says which lies of his she believes. Maybe Greta believes everything Joran has said. . . .

Back to the main question that I had: Did Joran say how he got "home" from the "beach" in this version?

Thanks.

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

Well hello old friend!

Thanks Blah!  I didn't want to repeat my question and interupt the fast pass of discussion.  I am going to set up the laptop in the livingroom so I can work, watch the thread, and tune into shows at the same time.  Boy does this bring back memories of many a sleepless night working the topics of the day with the cage.

Be right back on a faster computer and more comfortable chair. ::MonkeyWink::

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

Thank you.  The people of Aruba have been very silent about this - the only anger I have seen is at Beth and the family.  I think when they see/hear Joran firsthand they will go with their heart and at long last respond with a vengeance.

Nancy Grace on now.  They will be tuned in to that I am sure.   ::MonkeyEek::

Is she calling him everything but a white boy?    ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think he HOPPED home.

He is too embrassed to tell anyone he is a toad.

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Jug will be on my show Tuesday night

Holy crap!!! Just checked out Rob's site to see who the Drury guy is...or what ever his name is. Would not want to get that guy po'd at me...looks like he can kick some butt!!!

Klaas,

A real "Daury" exists and they have spoken with his person?? Interesting....

Most have though "Daury" was a coded name for someone else.

Wonder if this is a ploy to further trick Joran into talking some more?

If they have spoken to "Daury" and this person corroborated the confessions / admissions on the tape, my money says Joran is in big trouble. "Daury," otherwise unknown to the world, at least by me as I have not heard the name before, is probably not to happy about having his name thrown out there by a stoned Joran, implicating him into a crime of disposing a corpse.  In turn, this may lead to that person telling all to ALE in exchange for a lessor penalty.

But, who knows, just when you have it somewhat figured out, you realize you are still missing a few pieces...

We shall see - the plot is really starting to thicken. Cards are starting to fall... Joran definitely wishes he was not the movie star that he became on PeterDeVries' show.  I bet he wishes that he could take it all back. He has really screwed himself and those who have protected him for so long. He has insulted them and I think ties will be cut as a result, protection will be lost.  They will think, "If this kid is that stupid, well, he deserves what he gets."

Too bad for Aruba, though, they have already shit in their beds, blackened their eyes, by choosing to protect their own instead of seeking justice. Both Joran and Aruba have bit the hand that has, for so long, fed them.

Too late...already over.

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

Hiya GS

Let's put it this way..Nancy is giving goon child a verbal beating. He shouldn't be able to get his head out from under the covers for a month or so   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Could someone tell me when/where the video will be shown tonight, if it is tonight?  TIA

tidycat

NANCY: No thanks to Aruban police a Dutch journalist had Joran under surveillance for months on end.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

In his statement he said he went to the side of the Fishermans' Huts because of the wind so he could call Deepak to pick him up.

In his confession he said he went to the Marriott to use a pay phone to call Daury (that is most-likely his nickname for PAPA).

The fishermen said they say a white jeep (look at Paulus jeep - it has a white top, could be that is what they saw from the ocean).

The gardner said he saw Joran and Deepak and someone else at the Racquet Club. I posted pictures of the reenactment of how there car was positioned and the Gardner's car driving by it.

Deepak and Satish are involved!

Ain't it sweet she missed out on the big story????   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always thought the Aruba Bay video told the whole story.
 Klass I have all the screen shots for this video if you want I can post all pictures here somewhere

Aruba Today will have the Task Force's reaction, on front page, in the morning...psychics will be back....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

WOWSERS!!! Bag pic vs Nat pic are as close as you get here.

Aruba Today will have the Task Force's reaction, on front page, in the morning...psychics will be back....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

He has already said he may have to leave Holland and he won't be able to go back to classes. (I can't remember what page I read that on here, but it was from a link)


RE: the pay phone...I believe Glenda and MF are now saying the pay phone he says he used is for International Calling only :roll:

Well, we just had to get the "cocaine" story out there.   Nancy took that guy to task.  Talking about the date rape drugs.  Nancy is asking if that could cause these symptoms.

ARUBA VIDEO 24 SCREEN SHOTS

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Posted by Daniel at RU:

Joran gambled once too often...

It's ironic that Joran, son of a lawyer and himself an avid (ab)user of the protections and privileges that the law grants him, now finds himself in a state of lawlessness.

If he would have shown his face in public today, he wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes, and I think he'd best stay in hiding for a good while longer if he doesn't want to be beat up or spat in his face at every corner of the street. Nearly half of the otherwise reasonable and tolerant Dutch population has watched De Vries yesterday and many are shocked and outraged with what they've seen of Joran.

So, it doesn't come as a surprise that Joran has now offered to make a new statement to the police, who as it stands have no case against him. If he ever wants to lead a normal life again in either Holland or Aruba, Joran will have to come clean and pay for whatever crimes he committed. The people won't accept anything less.

Joran's Dutch lawyer argued on TV today that Joran is a gambling addict, and that he was offered an opportunity by De Vries' co-conspirator to make enough money to sustain this addiction (supposedly he was to be a strawman in an illegal weed plantation) -- and that 'bogus' confession about how Natalee died and how she was disposed of was only made up by Joran to establish criminal credentials with his partner in crime. Apparently his lawyer thought that this explanation would make things better for Joran. But it won't - it can only will make things worse. The cruel and cold comments that Joran made about Natalee, the disrespectful comments about his own father, the gleeful boasting about how he would never be convicted and how he was going to collect big compensation monies, and most of all the shocking admission that Natalee might still have been alive when she was drowned -- those will be remembered. Joran's only hope of ever leading a normal life again may well be to confess to a crime that sees him in prison for a couple of years.

Isn't that ironic? The guy who thought that he would outsmart everyone -and who was very close to doing so, as the OM still had no case against him- managed to manoeuvre himself into a position where he may only be able to save his ass if he turns himself in, and volunteers to the prosecution any hard evidence that may still exist against him. As things stand, he's probably better off guilty than innocent

She needs to ask them if it can analyze as cleaning fluid in a motor vehicle and if it can be carried in drinking cups that can be disposed of by the perpetrators on their way back home.

Anita knows she is responsible for Paulus and Joran being the weak crooks they are, codependent on her.  She does not want them to see 20/20.  She has probably donned a see-thru peignoir and put the Woodstock cassettes on the tape player to distract from what she has created.  Anita, pour up Paulus another stiff scotch, he's going to need it when Daury comes knocking on your door.

From Greta's blog:

February 4th, 2008 7:04 PM Eastern
Natalee Holloway….Tonight!!
by Greta Van Susteren

If you have been following the Natalee Holloway investigation for the last few years….you don’t want to miss tonight….we have much planned for you…..including Joran’s lawyer who has spoken to him….Natalee’s family’s lawyer….plus our producer Tim Silfies on the ground in Aruba (he has spoken to Paulus, Joran’s father, the prosecutor, the lawyer for the accused boat driver etc….)

I'm pretty one of the ingredients in GHB can be Drano and I know for a fact that it can be stored in a plastic 2 liter bottle

Well if that's the case I just declared myself "PSYCHIC".  Here's what I see:

I see Joran VDS hanging himself with his mouth.  He will be arrested and thrown into jail for the rest of his life.  He will cry in court, Paulus will sweat and Anita is secretly relieved.

Joran is Scott Peterson all over again.  He is enjoying this.  He doesn't "get it" that he is hurting himself - his ego is too large and he is too invincible.

Anita knows she is responsible for Paulus and Joran being the weak crooks they are, codependent on her.  She does not want them to see 20/20.  She has probably donned a see-thru peignoir and put the Woodstock cassettes on the tape player to distract from what she has created.  Anita, pour up Paulus another stiff scotch, he's going to need it when Daury comes knocking on your door.

That cement drainage culvert with the sneakers are on the right side of the road leading away from the Marriott in the direction of the California lighthouse. On the left- side of the road is the ocean and the boat launch.If that were a body in the bag it would have to be lifted from the culvert, carried across the street, down a dirt road, across the sand beach to a possible waiting boat.

Hi Leesa,

Actually Grande found that guy, and knowing Grande I felt confidant posting that info. If it would have been anyone else, I would not have posted it. I trust Grande has it correct.

I think he was born in 1986.

anyway, nice to see you - like always.

The link was posted here yesterday to the pictures....

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #720 2/3 -
« Reply #538 on: February 03, 2008, 06:29:41 PM »
Daury

http://www.hi5.com/friend/3664670--Daury--Profile-html

That cement drainage culvert with the sneakers are on the right side of the road leading away from the Marriott in the direction of the California lighthouse. On the left- side of the road is the ocean and the boat launch.If that were a body in the bag it would have to be lifted from the culvert, carried across the street, down a dirt road, across the sand beach to a possible waiting boat.

Hi Everyone!  Welcome all new monkeys!  It has taken me FOREVER to get to make a post.  I lurked at work and everything was much faster, but I didn't want to chance it and post.  Robots made me spit coffee a couple times....Nancy Grace is pissed and you can hear it in her voice!  I've enjoyed reading what almost everyone has said, wish I could have participated more, but basically I just wanted everyone to know that I am here......There's much more to this story and I pray that it comes out, but don't really count on it.  For now it's enough for the world to know exactly what kind of monster Paulus and Anita have raised and are so proud of.  I pray that the Persistence and Crew are safe and that God will give them the results that would truly give closure to Natalee's family.

I'm nervous about the show coming up on ABC, my emotions have been overwelming the past few days...but I'm counting on all my monkey friends to be here clasping hands and hearts while the world see's the true side of Natalee's murderer, (at least one of them).  I can only imagine how Natalee's family feels watching, I have had horrible thoughts of what should be done to him.  I'm praying that God will give them the peace that they need. 

I'M STANDING WITH THE GIRL, NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Peter's show was broadcast in Aruba as it aired. If they don't 'get it' now, they never will.

Tyler, I nearly puked when I read that description of Anita!    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dayhiker, maybe they should pass the "LOVE BOWL" over at RU and make that long over due contribution that the rest of us all made so long ago.

I suggest -

http://www.internationalsafetravelsfoundation.org/MS/MS10/page.php?p=94

or

http://www.nataleehollowayfoundation.net/index.html

Those Foundations even take old Guilders.

Must be why 3 kids were seen sweaty, and dirty (not what I would wear to a casino!) at a certain point in time....

Anita, just give Paulus a pistol, tell him its been real, and not to make a mess on the way out!!!!!!!!

Welcome back!  I know that none of us are prepared for what we are about to see even though we have an idea of what he says... it's going to be difficult.  I join your hand and say: I'M STANDING WITH THE GIRL, NATALEE HOLLOWAY

That cement drainage culvert with the sneakers are on the right side of the road leading away from the Marriott in the direction of the California lighthouse. On the left- side of the road is the ocean and the boat launch.If that were a body in the bag it would have to be lifted from the culvert, carried across the street, down a dirt road, across the sand beach to a possible waiting boat.

That cement drainage culvert with the sneakers are on the right side of the road leading away from the Marriott in the direction of the California lighthouse. On the left- side of the road is the ocean and the boat launch.If that were a body in the bag it would have to be lifted from the culvert, carried across the street, down a dirt road, across the sand beach to a possible waiting boat.

Welcome back!  I know that none of us are prepared for what we are about to see even though we have an idea of what he says... it's going to be difficult.  I join your hand and say: I'M STANDING WITH THE GIRL, NATALEE HOLLOWAY

From Greta's blog:

February 4th, 2008 7:04 PM Eastern
Natalee Holloway….Tonight!!
by Greta Van Susteren

If you have been following the Natalee Holloway investigation for the last few years….you don’t want to miss tonight….we have much planned for you…..including Joran’s lawyer who has spoken to him….Natalee’s family’s lawyer….plus our producer Tim Silfies on the ground in Aruba (he has spoken to Paulus, Joran’s father, the prosecutor, the lawyer for the accused boat driver etc….)

Hi SunnyinTx!!!  Great to see you too!  It's like a reunion here tonight.

When NG was on a break I flipped around and O'Reilly had Greta.  She didn't look too good!  Shoulda seen the expression.  She knows she screwed up big by "tending to believe him"!  Now she looks disgusted with him. 

O'Reilly said 2-3 times he would like to get his hands on him (Joran).  He said, "I'd go to prison, just to get my hands on him." 

That cement drainage culvert with the sneakers are on the right side of the road leading away from the Marriott in the direction of the California lighthouse. On the left- side of the road is the ocean and the boat launch.If that were a body in the bag it would have to be lifted from the culvert, carried across the street, down a dirt road, across the sand beach to a possible waiting boat.

Exactly.

Anita knows she is responsible for Paulus and Joran being the weak crooks they are, codependent on her.  She does not want them to see 20/20.  She has probably donned a see-thru peignoir and put the Woodstock cassettes on the tape player to distract from what she has created.  Anita, pour up Paulus another stiff scotch, he's going to need it when Daury comes knocking on your door.

THANKS BLEACHED ,I KNOW YOU WERE THERE RIGHT?
 I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION

Nancy Grace makes a very good point.

It makes more sense that Natalee would die from a delayed reaction from being drugged at the bar (taking 2 or 3 hours) rather than just dying abruptly for no apparent reason on the beach with Joran where he says she was fine and just died suddenly

Hi SunnyinTx!!!  Great to see you too!  It's like a reunion here tonight.

When NG was on a break I flipped around and O'Reilly had Greta.  She didn't look too good!  Shoulda seen the expression.  She knows she screwed up big by "tending to believe him"!  Now she looks disgusted with him. 

O'Reilly said 2-3 times he would like to get his hands on him (Joran).  He said, "I'd go to prison, just to get my hands on him." 

My theory is Natalee was put in the shallow grave then moved out to sea after the Family arrived. Joran places himself at the Marriott and that is exactly where the witnesses said they saw people moving a womans body into a tarp then to a white PU. We even have a person that said he helped bury her in a shallow grave.

*******, or others,

Who is the person that confessed to helping bury Natalee in a shallow grave? NAME.
 

My theory is Natalee was put in the shallow grave then moved out to sea after the Family arrived. Joran places himself at the Marriott and that is exactly where the witnesses said they saw people moving a womans body into a tarp then to a white PU. We even have a person that said he helped bury her in a shallow grave.

*******, or others,

Who is the person that confessed to helping bury Natalee in a shallow grave? NAME.
 

First synthesized in 1960, GHB initially was investigated as an anesthetic because of its capacity to rapidly induce a deep coma with only minor cardiovascular and respiratory depressant effects. Its lack of analgesia and tendency to cause seizure like activity soon dampened enthusiasm for its medicinal use.

I just got my 'puter back and it was killing me cause I couldn't post I was watching Nancy too.  She made alot of good points!
Love Nancy!  She said it like it was, the solved case was just "HANDED TO THE LE ON A SILVER PLATTER"! 

My only question is..If that is Natalee in the bag and that was filmed on June 10th 2005,that means she had been dead for 11-12 days..She certainly would not look like that after that long period,she would be decomposing and it would be a awful site.

The only way that could be her..


1.She was kept in a freezer during that time
2.She did not die on May 30th 2005 but at a much later date.
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I still find this post strange about finding a large empty plastic bag at Canashito. Everyone knows there was a confession leading them to the body,but they also said she was at this location. We all know the next day that was all dismissed as mis-information.

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Nancy was saying the only thing she questions is the series of shaking and she stopped breathing (she doesn't believe it).  She said he murdered her.

Go Nancy.

Hi All!

Will Aruba wake up and have Joran arrested?

MissinNat

Hiya anidac. Long time no see.

Here is a link for translated version of the Peter deVries tapes:

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

It all a lie again, do not fall for this stories.
I post couple a week ago that the these kid have a game going on call " I did not lie, It's you that believed me"

meaning what you believe is a lie

the time is a problem for them.....What ever stories they create, you have to start from 1:00 am.

till 4:00 am where is father pick him up at The Mc Donald at food.


that leave 2:30 hour to work with.

party a bit more, have sex, go to the beach, swim, walk to a telephone boot, call an invisible friend to help, now the friend needs to sail out, dump, come back, and leave still time to go back to the casino.

About the shoe, The only way you loose your sneaker in when you step in muddy soft surface where when you feet sinks, the mud will create a suction around your sneaker and when you lift you feed the sneaker is left behind.

In salt water and soft white sand it does not happend: This is from experience.

this is telling me that they never went to the beach...it mist be a pond where there is mud.

Will the Aru-bay photographer ever be interviewed? Seems like they photographed most of the important scenes (summer 2005). How about Shango? Simian?

Although GHB traditionally has been considered a potent epileptogenic drug and has been noted to cause epileptiform EEGs in animals, a few human volunteer studies have failed to demonstrate EEG changes associated with use. However, case reports commonly report seizures or seizurelike activity in persons ingesting the drug. It is theorized that myoclonic jerks of the face and extremities may be mistaken for evidence of seizures.

My only question is..If that is Natalee in the bag and that was filmed on June 10th 2005,that means she had been dead for 11-12 days..She certainly would not look like that after that long period,she would be decomposing and it would be a awful site.

The only way that could be her..
1.She was kept in a freezer during that time
2.She did not die on May 30th 2005 but at a much later date.
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I still find this post strange about finding a large empty plastic bag at Canashito. Everyone knows there was a confession leading them to the body,but they also said she was at this location. We all know the next day that was all dismissed as mis-information.

We are all here for a reason..   Whenever two or more are gathered in his name.

Thanks glad to be back  ::MonkeyHaHa::

CNS depression is the hallmark of GHB use. An oral dose of 10 mg/kg produces short-term amnesia and hypotonia; 20-30 mg/kg produces drowsiness and sleep. After ingestion of approximately 50-70 mg/kg, profound hypnosis and deep coma rapidly ensue. GHB quickly initiates delta wave and rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and produces moderate amnesia but does not produce analgesia or muscle relaxation. It decreases cerebral glucose metabolism and increases cerebral blood flow, yet it reduces intracranial pressure. Myoclonic jerks and respiratory depression accompany the descent into anesthesia.

MF
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:03 pm   

Patrick forgot that there are no mangroves in the area of the fisherman's hut.... 


.................
So where are there mangroves?

Will the Aru-bay photographer ever be interviewed? Seems like they photographed most of the important scenes (summer 2005). How about Shango? Simian?

Question: What type of injury would have caused so much blood? Deepaks car.

Shoe lost in mud works for me. Very early on, a tv station mentioned hearsay of someone wanting to replace the match for a particular type of shoe, worn by Joran. He only had one. Maybe they were replacing (buying new) lost shoes.

Joran crying in jail, broken down, and confessing early on... This has gone on so long - he must be completely numb to emotion at this point. A lot of weight for a 18-20 year old kid to carry around with so much international scrutiny.

Count me in

I'M STANDING WITH THE GIRL, NATALEE HOLLOWAY


JusticeDawg

I posted a response to bleachedblack this afternoon saying something similar.  If he called for help that night, it was days before the security guards were arrested.  Then, the arubay films were made puportedly to support their innocence....so, I couldn't comprehend how Natalee could have been in that drain for a long period of time....

"SILVER PLATTER"!  Only problem is the idiots on Aruba think a silver platter is something to hock!!!  MOO   ::MonkeyConfused::

MF is an idiot

Joran didnt know what the bushes are called and just agreed with whatever Patrick called them

nice try at though

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

The aru-bay videographer is hidden under Joran's grandmother's glockenspiel. No Joke!

She was not dead!

She was not dead!

Question: What type of injury would have caused so much blood? Deepaks car.

If it happened the way he explained....I agree, she wasn't.

The aru-bay videographer is hidden under Joran's grandmother's glockenspiel. No Joke!

My theory is Natalee was put in the shallow grave then moved out to sea after the Family arrived. Joran places himself at the Marriott and that is exactly where the witnesses said they saw people moving a womans body into a tarp then to a white PU. We even have a person that said he helped bury her in a shallow grave.

*******, or others,

Who is the person that confessed to helping bury Natalee in a shallow grave? NAME.
 

MF is an idiot

Joran didnt know what the bushes are called and just agreed with whatever Patrick called them

nice try at though

I believe it is the combination of GHB and ETOH that are often what make it lethal.

A massive head injury or a gunshot..Something like that..I don't think she was hit by the car but we can't rule anything out at this point. Remember there was reports about large amounts of blood in Deepaks trunk as well.

Remember the person who said they saw Joran bring Natalee into the water?  They didn't believe the person or he was a foreigner or something?  He was in a car.  Heard a girl protesting.   Then Joran brought her out to the water?  Am I wrong?

MF is an idiot

Joran didnt know what the bushes are called and just agreed with whatever Patrick called them

nice try at though

Carlos the "frozen condom" witness.  A different person.

Gunshot?  Where have I heard that someone had a pistol (GUN)?

How does this fit?

Well, D2K obviously know what happened because they told him in the car tape that "if they find the girl you'll get 15 years."  So they would find, evidence of GHB, plus whatever else; or semin; or bruises, etc. from being beaten up.  That's why he didn't want her body found. 

Gunshot?  Where have I heard that someone had a pistol (GUN)?

Gunshot?  Where have I heard that someone had a pistol (GUN)?

And of the brutal rapes.

Gunshot?  Where have I heard that someone had a pistol (GUN)?

Watching the show and typing on laptop - not well I might add ::MonkeyHaHa::

I believe one of the statements or the police car transcript Joran mentioned a gun and Satish said the police searched and didn't find anything.

Watching the show and typing on laptop - not well I might add ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone else expecting a statement from Oduber in the morning?  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank God for Patrick!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Anyone else expecting a statement from Oduber in the morning?  ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone else expecting a statement from Oduber in the morning?  ::MonkeyWink::

OK... so what if... what if when Joran got arrested the last time PDV makes a call to Mos and says heh we got a sting operation about to go on if you need more.... and Mos intentionally lets him go knowing full well that being freed and declaring the case COLD will make Joran more willing to speak?

Just throwing it out there.... would explain why Mos said he had all this stuff then appeared not to use it.  He looked like an idiot. Maybe there's a coordinated effort here.  Maybe that's why there's an underwater expedition going on right now... just saying.

OK... so what if... what if when Joran got arrested the last time PDV makes a call to Mos and says heh we got a sting operation about to go on if you need more.... and Mos intentionally lets him go knowing full well that being freed and declaring the case COLD will make Joran more willing to speak?

Just throwing it out there.... would explain why Mos said he had all this stuff then appeared not to use it.  He looked like an idiot. Maybe there's a coordinated effort here.  Maybe that's why there's an underwater expedition going on right now... just saying.

I sort of wish they were covering more from last night's show.  I think most are familiar with the basics of the past.

Shhhhh, Beans, that would make it illegal.

OK... so what if... what if when Joran got arrested the last time PDV makes a call to Mos and says heh we got a sting operation about to go on if you need more.... and Mos intentionally lets him go knowing full well that being freed and declaring the case COLD will make Joran more willing to speak?

Just throwing it out there.... would explain why Mos said he had all this stuff then appeared not to use it.  He looked like an idiot. Maybe there's a coordinated effort here.  Maybe that's why there's an underwater expedition going on right now... just saying.

Anyone else expecting a statement from Oduber in the morning?  ::MonkeyWink::

Well never mind then.

"its probably all going to turn out better than I hoped"

This sure makes it sound pre-meditated!!!!!!!

Greta is talking about it now.

Disgusting, cocky POS!

He thinks this guy, any guy would be impressed?  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks you Yapper.

Janet

Greta is talking about it now.

He makes me sick  ::MonkeyNoNo::

hey Nut, you know even if Natalee is never found and Justice never served (A Tragedy in it's own right), I feel somehow ok knowing Beth has the answers. For me, that's enough for right now and a minor victory.

A war won is the sum of minor Victories. I said that.

HOLY COW ... DID YOU ALL CATCH THAT!!!

JVDS just volunteered the comment that it wasn't my parents who helped him.

NO ONE ASKED HIM THAT!!!

Why would he even make the comment.

Can you say Paulas VDS!!!

self edit.

...down goes Tacopina. He's on he canvas. Greta admits she was wrong about Joran!!!!

...down goes Tacopina. He's on he canvas. Greta admits she was wrong about Joran!!!!

OK... so what if... what if when Joran got arrested the last time PDV makes a call to Mos and says heh we got a sting operation about to go on if you need more.... and Mos intentionally lets him go knowing full well that being freed and declaring the case COLD will make Joran more willing to speak?

Just throwing it out there.... would explain why Mos said he had all this stuff then appeared not to use it.  He looked like an idiot. Maybe there's a coordinated effort here.  Maybe that's why there's an underwater expedition going on right now... just saying.

We're seeing Joran exposed. Half of the Netherlands saw this last night. So many in power have covered for him. What does this do to the political situation? What if anything does this change on Aruba?

Would you ask her to post that on her blog so I can read it later?  I'm busy with ABC.  TIA

You betrayed my country Joran.... and you betrayed the whole world....
This is your punishment!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

HOLY COW ... DID YOU ALL CATCH THAT!!!

JVDS just volunteered the comment that it wasn't my parents who helped him.

NO ONE ASKED HIM THAT!!!

Why would he even make the comment.

Can you say Paulas VDS!!!

The police asking Jug and Beth repeatedly about seizures 2 days after she disappeared, they knew!!!!!!!!!!!

It's proof Joran is guilty and they knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah!!!   ::MonkeyWink::

OMG sick bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

someone needs to take this piece of shit out

This is a new species we found!!!

Greta and panel agreed she was fooled. He killed her. Greta eating crow and going hard on the van der sloots.

Tape is absolutely admissible.

ya know Blah, that's the funny part - actually not the funny part.

They used language and "their system" to somehow make this abortion look normal. And it wasn't.

HOLY COW ... DID YOU ALL CATCH THAT!!!

JVDS just volunteered the comment that it wasn't my parents who helped him.

NO ONE ASKED HIM THAT!!!

Why would he even make the comment.

Can you say Paulas VDS!!!

Greta and panel agreed she was fooled. He killed her. Greta eating crow and going hard on the van der sloots.

Tape is absolutely admissible.